September 17th, 2023 • 3h 4m
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Adam Curry: Reading is good
kids. Adam curry Jhansi Devorah
for 1720 23 This is your award
winning nation media
assassination episode 1591. This
is no agenda, making mascara run
and broadcasting live from the
heart of the country here in
fingerings. Number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where, you know,
I thought hostess was out of
business and they weren't making
Twinkies anymore. I'm Jhansi,
Dvorak
Adam Curry: and Bushkill. Are
you eating Twinkies now?
John C Dvorak: No, but I noticed
that the company was just sold
for like $4 billion. And I
thought they were out of
business. And they were, you
know, defunct years ago. Couple
of two, three years ago.
Twinkies are not going to be
made any more houses out of
business, though. Good. There
goes those chocolate cupcakes.
Adam Curry: That's funny. You
mentioned that I kind of I
remember something like that
now. Not you say it. Twinkies.
No, I have no clips on. Okay,
well, that's great. So what else
have you been working on? You've
been down in the financial pits
I hear.
John C Dvorak: Yes. Sell buy.
Actually,
Adam Curry: now that you bring
that up? Wow. Let me get this
going. Right now I have. I have
a pretend not that I have a
stock tip. We don't do stock
tips. But I think there is some
information that has come out in
the Wall Street Journal today.
And also on the Wall Street
Journal podcast, that can show
us what companies we should be
short selling, which if I
understand the mechanism, when
you sell short, then if the
company stock goes down, you
make money Correct?
John C Dvorak: You sell that as
sir? Is this like just reverse
of what you'd normally do? You'd
say you sell at 50 and you buy
at 25?
Adam Curry: Okay, I think any
company that does the following
is a shore sword short sell,
Unknown: is feedback now too
harsh, more companies are opting
for a gentler term feed forward.
Wall Street Journal reporter
Alexandra Burwell joins me. So
Alexandra, first of all, what's
the difference between feedback
and feed forward?
The concept is not feed a friend
Adam Curry: feed forward instead
of feed back.
Unknown: The idea is that feed
forward gives people less
anxiety. It's a little bit
gentler. When people hear
feedback, they think immediately
what have I done wrong? What are
the bad things my boss is going
to tell me to fix? One thing
that we heard over and over was
that during COVID, you know,
employees weren't having regular
review sessions. Everything was
virtual. After the pandemic,
when more people came back to
work. Companies sort of changed
their approach to HR and
management. They rethought the
review process and really
decided that it was important to
make the entire process more
productive. And in fact it just
to
be clear, are we talking about
just a renaming of what we've
come to know as feedback or do
these efforts include?
Adam Curry: It gets better some
companies are actually doing
this already
Unknown: changing the actual
tone and nature of feedback type
conversations.
It depends on the company
introducing the term and
revamping its review process.
Some argue that just replacing
the word with feed forward or
Microsoft, they use
perspectives. And other terms,
there is a danger in really just
glossing over the idea that
feedback negative or positive is
important. rebranding doesn't
really do much. But there's also
a number of companies that are
rethinking the entire process.
And as part of that, they want
employees to feel more
comfortable in the process. And
therefore they feel that
rethinking the words they use,
replacing feedback with feed
forward reviews with connect
sessions, and also having
sessions more often, you know,
between managers and employees.
Truly makes for a more
productive and effective
workplace. John,
Adam Curry: I need to connect
session. I need the connection.
John C Dvorak: We need to
connect session sessions
overdue.
Adam Curry: Yeah, any company
that employs these tactics is
going to lose. This says
John C Dvorak: Microsoft of
course would be involved. Yeah,
the other ones he got sucked
into this stack ranking bullcrap
which really hurt the company
for years. We
Adam Curry: haven't talked about
that in a long time. Still
around. Yeah, no, it wasn't just
Microsoft. I thought it was once
it all snow everybody.
John C Dvorak: There was a big
trend for a while as Jack
Welch's invention.
Adam Curry: Yeah, stack ranking.
Oh, there's
Unknown: no winning. We don't
like to foster a competitive
atmosphere but we laugh a lot.
Now everyone hog and share a
secret.
Adam Curry: Now it's interesting
because this this podcast came
out today I read the article.
The article is even worse. It's
filled with all kinds of terms
There was this interest kind of
polarizing the
John C Dvorak: Wall Street
Journal think it's doing it's
supposed to be a newspaper. What
did they think that they're
Harvard Business Review trying
to establish certain norms and
how businesses run. These are
reporters that don't know how to
run a business. Hello?
Adam Curry: Well, if you if you
can't do you teach, there was a
guy that kind of got viral on,
on on X on the socials maybe two
weeks ago, and even some, some
Magga country people sent it to
me saying that this guy has the
wrong idea. I don't know if they
if they wonder if they
understood what he was saying.
Because he was What are you
saying is very polarizing. This
is a Tim Garner. And this is a
report from the hills
Unknown: have workers become the
bosses. That's what Gartner
Group founder, Tim Gardner seems
to believe. And he told
Financial Review property summit
workers that this is a problem
that needs to change.
I think the problem that we've
had is that we've, you know, we
have people decided they didn't
really want to work so much
anymore through COVID. And that
has had a massive issue on
productivity, you know, traders
have definitely pulled back on
productivity. You know, they
they have been paid, it paid a
lot to do not too much in the
last few years. And we need to
see that change. We need to see
unemployment rise, unemployment
has to jump 40 50% In my view,
we need to see pain in the
economy, we need to remind
people that they work for the
employer, not the other way
around.
Wow, unemployment has jumped
40 50% When an admission
governor also said we have to
hurt the economy to end the
arrogance among workers.
Adam Curry: This is really
interesting, because I I agree
that the workers are out of
control. And this pandering such
as we just heard is bad. It's
just it's biblically bad. You
know, you you need
John C Dvorak: our shows been
dramatic about this point with
the noodle boy,
Adam Curry: yes, yes. However,
some people thought that his
solution was just a horrible
idea. And I'm like,
John C Dvorak: Well, that's all
go broke. That'll fix things.
Adam Curry: It's not exactly
what the Federal Reserve
John C Dvorak: property there
you go. There's a solution to
everything.
Adam Curry: Well, I think
they're well on their way. I
mean, poverty is on deck. I
mean, to me, it seems like the
West, the United States in
Europe with with the immigration
that's taking place is like
we're going to become the slaves
who make I think manufacturing
may come back to the US into the
into Western Europe.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, thank you
for manufacturing. Yes.
Adam Curry: We'll be we'll be
the slaves. And then we'll have
our own Uyghurs which will be
the illegal immigrants. This is
happening in Chicago this
finally finally people are
waking up.
Unknown: In heights Church of
Christ and open dialogue on the
migrant crisis hosted by
Alderman Ronnie Mosley was
packed inside and out.
First of all, they definitely
chose those venue for a reason
they chose a small venue so that
they could discourage the
community from being able to
show
up with fall and winter fast
approaching. Mayor Brandon
Johnson is looking to move
migrants from police stations
into what the city is calling
winterized base camps.
This is essentially like a
bandaid to a gunshot wound. You
are putting a BandAid on a huge
problem at hand
one potential site two former
jewel parking lot at 115. And
Halstead
does a bad idea. They want to
push
this out of sight, out of mind.
But it's coming with pushback,
many calling on the city's
leaders to focus on the needs of
taxpayers. We are
the residents of this community.
And we demand that they do not
put these people here. They're
not following the rules in the
police station. What makes us
think that they're going to
follow the rules here.
Residents tell us they are in
need of grocery stores mental
health facilities and housing
for homeless individuals. By the
end of this year, the migrant
crisis will have cost taxpayers
a quarter of a billion dollars.
Adam Curry: I like calling it
winter Basecamp. Just branding.
You're welcome here. The winter
base camp y'all call to get some
Chicago migrants
John C Dvorak: cold there. Play
it play the New York Immigration
clips. Number one
Adam Curry: oh yeah, no. This is
beautiful.
Unknown: tensions rose today in
Manhattan over the immigration
crisis. Lawmakers tried to
address the issue, but they were
met with frustrated protesters.
And it is Jason Perry was on the
scene.
Representative Alexandria Ocasio
Cortez along with other
lawmakers address the
immigration crisis in New York.
City, but they were quickly
disrupted by protesters shouting
close the border. Ocasio Cortez
continued speaking outside of
Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan,
which has been used to process
illegal immigrants. She called
for more federal resources to
help deal with the crisis, a man
in the crowd voiced his
frustration to the lawmakers.
How's that gonna unity to the
station, when you take when
you're taking care of illegal
immigrants, only your own
citizens?
We spoke to some people in the
area to see what they think is
the solution to the migrant
crisis,
close the border. The only
solution a genius remain in
Mexico like the policy was
before. Why does my family
member have to wait in Colombia
and they filed a legal petition.
And these people are right here
on 45th Street,
and another man voiced his
concern. It's not
right. You have to come through
the proper channels. There's
people that are waiting to get
here. And they're skipping the
line and they don't care. We
don't know who these people are.
Did not vet it. Many of my ex
girlfriends were from other
countries. So this is not about
hate.
Adam Curry: It's not about hey,
I had sex with them. It's not
about hey, take
John C Dvorak: my many X Men,
many, many girlfriends.
Adam Curry: I think we should
call them Neo wiegers. That
should probably be the the new
term because that's all there
going to be with AOC Why might I
want to remind everybody, she
auditioned for this role? She
auditioned for this role. We
always present the actress, an
actress and not a great one. She
auditioned and has been MK
altered into repeating talking
points. And she even asked if
you have it talked about a path
to citizenship
John C Dvorak: for these well I
clip in the series, but the
problem is is that they would
they had her talking and it was
so noisy with over with people
yelling at her. Did you try to
bet in that last clip? I cut out
two chunks of it because of that
it's too much issue. They can't
she can't get a word in palace.
Adam Curry: How's the Adobe
product? Did that work? Did you
try the
John C Dvorak: Oh no, it was
beyond Adobe. This was just like
a cacophony of venture was a
mess.
Unknown: And this man explained
that it wasn't fair to the low
income families living in New
York City,
they have congestion pricing in
the city. Well, you're gonna
have to pay $20 to drive it to
monad. How are the low income
families supposed to survive?
How are we supposed to raise our
kids? Why everyone gets
everything for free. There's not
two systems of justice in this
country.
We also heard from an immigrant
who recently arrived in New York
City
where we never imagined none of
the immigrants that we were
going to be received like this.
Nonetheless, I am grateful.
Protestors and politicians both
made their voices heard today.
This is clearly an issue that
will continue to demand national
attention.
Adam Curry: Finally, at O'Hare,
there's 400 Neo wiegers in the
airport,
John C Dvorak: by the way, kudos
to Abbott.
Unknown: Yeah, yeah.
John C Dvorak: I mean, it it
took a long time. He'd been he's
been shipping them out for what
six months to a year. Quite a
while. Yeah, for quite a while.
It's finally caught up to
everybody. Okay,
Adam Curry: yeah, but it's it's
so sad that it had to come to
this. It's just these are people
that human beings. Now it's like
what is how stupid is this?
John C Dvorak: Well, this is
going on the latest thing going
on in Europe. Did you see this
sit down with Van der Leyen and
marketer alone. He's sitting
next to each other and
Adam Curry: and the Dutch Prime
Minister decomissioned
Margarita. What is that guy
doing there? Yes, I saw it.
John C Dvorak: Those two women
do not get along?
Adam Curry: Well, I'm not sure
if I was talking to Willow and
my my niece and my nephew. And
they are like me and Maloney is
she's just another one of the
elite. She's not the youngest.
There's nothing that she's going
to do. She talked a big game
when she was coming in or when
she wanted to get in. So and and
also, they say that the migrant
issue in Italy at least isn't
all that bad. Even though the
Lampedusa is made to look really
really horrible. They say that
it's not really being felt but
now they're they're in there and
Firenza you know is this for
different Italy so that they
maybe they just don't minimum to
get they got the minimum
different different vibe there.
But yeah, yeah. I mean, how much
I mean, the Netherlands. People
are sick of it.
John C Dvorak: There's this is
interesting, though, that this
is a as we've noticed with the
COVID and some other incidences
are universal. These are
worldwide. Yes, phenomena,
coordinated by someone.
Adam Curry: And I don't know if
you saw this but Zelinsky You
know, the actor from Ukraine, he
came out and he said, You know,
I see that not everybody is with
us. And you know, we have a lot
of Ukrainians now all over
Europe. And here it is, Western
governments could face defeat at
the ballot box. You know,
because the Ukrainian refugees,
you know, they're gonna vote,
and they're gonna go in, they're
gonna vote you out. If our
partners do not help us, it
means they want Russia to win.
And this is how crazy you this
has become.
John C Dvorak: This guy has been
threatening the west with one
thing after another and we keep
putting up with it. That's why I
posted a photo of the of one of
the stories in the current
edition of current affairs,
where they're hinting of a pull
out that we're going to give up
on the on the Ukrainian Yeah,
Adam Curry: good. Can you want
to give us a synopsis other than
they're hinting at a pull out?
What was nice
John C Dvorak: was basically the
synopsis in foreign affairs. In
foreign affairs. Is the magazine
produced by the Council on
Foreign Relations? This? Yes.
And so they it's like sometimes
it's signaling you don't know
what messaging of some sort. And
they say, in the article Kyiv
should be prepared for a sudden
pull back by the West and so in
support, because they make the
point that people are getting
sick of this. And I think that
and they're getting sick as
Alinsky.
Adam Curry: Well, what's going
on in London right now speaks a
whole different story about
what's happening in Ukraine
because it is a capital B
bonanza.
Unknown: This year, it's bigger
than ever. Nearly 3000 companies
have turned up to London's Excel
Center. Over 100 countries have
sent delegations. If you're
looking to expand and modernize
your country's armed forces.
This is the place to be. The war
in Ukraine exerts a strong
influence. The country has his
own stand. But the conflict is
also shaping the priorities of
the global arms industry, much
in evidence or drones of all
sizes and capabilities. And
given their success on the
battlefield systems to defeat
them are now a priority for
everyone
in our market, we can see
everyday on the battlefield that
drones used every day in huge
quantities. That is the threat
we are addressing with our
products, we we have developed
the top notch control system to
secure Ukrainian forces as well
as Polish and NATO forces.
The war is also underlined the
importance of things some
thought were no longer needed.
Tanks, long range artillery and
shells to train us is 7000 a
day. Global inventories are
running low. So production is
ramping up. The war in Ukraine
is also changing government
spending priorities. defense
budgets are going up everywhere.
Armed Forces are being
reconfigured. Challenges. That
means billions of dollars worth
of defense contracts are up for
grabs.
Adam Curry: Billions are up for
grabs. In this they are selling
now literal directed energy
weapons to bring down these
drones. zap them out of the sky.
And we knew this is what Erica
Eric Schmidt was talking about.
Remember he was on with Zaccaria
like God drones drones. That's
the future. It's these little
drones little drones. And there
it is a whole conference 300
different country. Exhibitors
all selling drones and drones.
It's this is and it's just like
everyone's like, Oh, this is
cool. It's great. Yeah, arms.
Cool. It wasn't not Smedley
Butler who said more is a
racket.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was
General Smith, General Smedley
Butler
Adam Curry: and it is a an
enormous racket. Yeah, what else
what a scam. And every no one
has is I guess everyone's just
all pacified. Sitting at home.
Do we don't we don't notice the
the writer strike or the actor
strike? There's plenty of good
stuff on Netflix. There's plenty
of stuff to watch. No. Has
anyone complained that the late
night shows are off the air. Has
anyone missed
John C Dvorak: this one at all?
To some incredible
Adam Curry: degree like wow, the
John C Dvorak: guys are
complaining the guy that worked
there.
Adam Curry: Wow. Yeah. And did
you see that? They're trying to
get rid of Kimmel like Oh, well.
Some kind of report came out.
He's drunk. Hello. That we had
boots.
John C Dvorak: Fallon.
Adam Curry: Fallon. I'm sorry.
Yep. Sorry. We had boots on the
ground reporting that when he
went in. Oh, he's hammered every
day. He's hammered. Yeah, yeah,
this is
John C Dvorak: This is like the
real race you want to get rid of
because he wasn't toeing the
line with anti Trump jokes.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. True.
Speaking is pretty dahlias
John C Dvorak: job tried to try
to maintain a middle ground with
his with his political humor,
while the other two guys are
just slamming. Kimmel if I
remember when Trump was in
office, I was literally crying
on the stage. About how bad
Trump was. I remember that. Yes.
Oh, yeah. Oh, here's a comedy
show by the way. Yeah, Trump's
bad he's hurting children. He's
got to go we shouldn't have a
president like this ridiculous
recall
Adam Curry: comedy show Saturday
Night Live opening with the
Ukrainian national anthem. Yeah,
now the real humor is on tick
tock people. That's where it's
funny that's what people are
watching low mood book. Tina sat
down on the couch he said Let's
watch some reels. She doesn't we
don't have tick tock but she's
let's watch them reels
John C Dvorak: me do wave stop
with me don't have tick tock is
on the line. It's on the web.
Adam Curry: Yes, but I don't
have it on my phone. She doesn't
have it on her phone.
John C Dvorak: I don't either.
And I watch it all the time. I'm
sorry to hear that. You know
what's funny, by the way, just
should mention this. Just first,
so people should know. I use a
VPN most of the time on my
machine. It's just safer. And I
use VPNs out of South American
countries because there's a
couple are just so fast. It's
like you wouldn't even know
you're on a VPN. So when I'm on
an Argentinian VPN and I just
happen to hit tic tac with not
as a sign on but just as I'm now
looks to tic tac like I'm in
Argentina. They have the same
dipshit girls in Spanish. During
those stupid dances they do well
yeah, that's
Adam Curry: what tick tock is
tick tock. Why you
John C Dvorak: What is it what
why are you doing this you're
making you look like an idiot.
Adam Curry: Do you understand
the mechanisms of tick tock?
Tick tock is the music industry.
It is literally the music
industry. There's so much money
to be made. If you are a
successful tick tock dancer, or
whatever you've created on tick
tock you can make real money
this is and probably no surprise
Turning
Unknown: now to tick tock and
the European regulators slapping
the social media app with a
nearly $370 million fine,
accusing the Chinese own
platform to failing to protect
children's privacy. Alexis
christoforous joins us now with
that. Good morning, Alex. Oh,
yes. Alexis Kumar.
Good morning NGO that
investigation by Ireland's data
protection commission finds the
sign up process for teams made
their tick tock accounts public
by default, allowing anyone to
view and comment on their
videos. It also allowed adults
to direct messaging for teams
without their consent.
teens want?
Adam Curry: Yes, it's softcore
porn. It's borderline cruelty
against animals in most cases,
funny but cruelty against
animals. And yes, that's what
they want it Yes, it is weird.
Teens search on Tik Tok. No one
goes to Google anymore. Finally
Unknown: direct messaging for
teams without their consent, and
a statement Tiktok saying we
respectfully disagree with the
decision, particularly the level
of the fine imposed. It is the
latest in a global crackdown on
tick tock in the US and public
universities, as well as many
state and federal agencies have
banned the app on their devices
out of concern. It would give
China access to sensitive user
data. And Montana passed a law
that bans the apps use in the
state all together and it's not
just tick tock Instagram
WhatsApp and the owner Mehta
among the tech giants hit with
Big fines by the Irish
regulator.
Adam Curry: So the EU playing a
big game oh yeah, we understand
how this works is that China's
gonna get it all tick tock, bad,
bad. But listen, how the queen
of the European Union, you know,
where is Queen Ursula? How much
she understands the topic of AI.
I mean, artificial intelligence.
This is the future. And she
really, that she is she is
accepting artificial
intelligence into her life.
Unknown: I believe in the power
of artificial intelligence. Just
look at the winner of last
year's future unicorn award
party from Denmark. They are
using AI and voice recognition
to help doctors predict heart
attacks. It's simply amazing,
amazing. And indeed, the
possibilities of AI are immense.
I don't have to tell you AI can
turn on wind turbines and can
produce more energy as the
weather changes for
Adam Curry: Wow, AI can detect a
weather change and turn on
winter being sampled.
Unknown: AI can detect the
Cybertech faster than any human
being.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What about
MGM?
Unknown: And as a medical
doctor, I know that AI can also
for example, in mammography way
earlier, and more reliably than
any human being.
Adam Curry: So the EU if I
didn't know she was a medical
doctor, actually, or at least
not one that's qualified to
speak about demography. So the
EU is doing the same thing here
in the US. And they're lining
everybody up and getting
everybody together in the
setting all up because they want
to control it. They want to make
AI your new god. And an AI is
right. And AI is smart, and AI
does everything and I could not
resist seaspan got Elon Musk for
one minute statement, which is
much better audio than anything
we've had so far outside of the
tech, the private tech meeting
where they were divvying up
something. I think it's very
telling what he's saying here.
Unknown: I think it was, it was
very nice discussion. Actually.
I'm on some of the smartest
people in the world.
Adam Curry: Okay, let's stop
right there. Can we stop saying
that these are some of the
smartest people in the world?
They're not the smartest people
in the world. They run
profitable companies. They're
businessmen. Yeah, that are
that. Does that make them the
smartest people?
John C Dvorak: No, generally
speaking, when you're new, and
you were in college, in the
olden days, the business guys
were the dummies, the dummies
would go into business. The
smart guys are theoretical
physicists. None of these guys
are that.
Adam Curry: So he says it was
very civilized. Not sure why
he's saying it's civilized,
maybe that can only be because
there was money to be made. And
these are some of the smartest
people in the world, which he of
course, conveniently includes
himself in this group.
Unknown: Some of the smartest
people in the world. So I
thought Senator Schumer did a
great
Adam Curry: job. Now listen to
what he's saying. I did not
bring it
John C Dvorak: I can understand
it, where he's saying he's
mumbling. You're talking over
it.
Adam Curry: Senator Schumer did
great to hear Senator Schumer
did a great service to humanity
here. So he's sucking up to
Schumer for some reason,
Unknown: along with the rest of
the Senate. And I think we'll I
think something good will come
of this. This, I think this
Adam Curry: history has been
very important for this meeting
is going to go down in history
is very, very important.
Unknown: The future of
civilization. did ask everyone
to raise their hands in the room
to see if they were in favor of
AI regulation. And I believe
almost everyone did.
Adam Curry: Now this is
interesting, because you keep
hearing that Schumer asked Is
everyone in favor of AI
regulation. And you keep hearing
almost everyone did who didn't?
Who didn't? Who was not for
this? I'd like to run
John C Dvorak: to try to get in
it. You know, AI? You we know
that regulation is the keep
people out fixed prices. Yeah,
Unknown: that's a good sign. I
think the probability of there
being some sort of regulatory
agency that stands on its own,
similar to the FA or FCC is
likely at some point. And the
reason that I've been such an
advocate for AI safety in
advance of sort of anything
terrible happening is that I
think the consequences of AI
going wrong are severe. So we
have to be proactive rather than
reactive.
Adam Curry: So let's talk about
the cases of AI being severe,
you don't need AI to be severe.
And I only just heard about this
case. In Australia, it's very
similar to what happened with
the the Dutch Child Care Benefit
scandal, which which the cabinet
resigned over because they
essentially Brandin algo, on on
taxes and returns and social
social payments. And they went
to 10s of 1000s of parents and
said Now you receive too much
too many child benefits. You owe
us 50,000 euros, and this made
people lose their jobs, their
homes, some people committed
suicide. This seems to be some
kind of trend. Amongst the world
is Australia had something very
similar known as Robo debt,
which happened four years ago.
And it's just now coming to
light.
John C Dvorak: It was wrong. It
was illegal. It should never
have happened and it should
never happen again. Under the
former Liberal government, this
scheme unlawfully raised $1.76
billion in alleged debts against
some 526,000 Australians. This
tragedy cause stress, anxiety,
financial destitution, And sadly
had a very real human toll. For
more than four years, liberal
ministers dismissed or ignored
the significant concerns that
were raised over and over again,
including in the parliament, but
also by victims by public
servants by community
organizations. And, of course,
legal experts. The Royal
Commission has found that
liberal party's robardet scheme
was, quote, a crude and cruel
mechanism, neither fair nor
legal. And it made many people
feel like criminals. In essence,
people were traumatized on the
off chance they might owe money.
It was a costly failure of
public administration, in both
human and economic terms.
Adam Curry: So now that I see
this happening, and I'm sure
there will be other countries
that had similar things take
place, could this be a setup to
bringing in the smartest people
in the world to have this done?
Right. You know what I mean? I
Unknown: don't think so. No. And
I'm gonna do that
Adam Curry: while governments
are deploying this. This is what
the IRS in the United States is
deploying they've, they've
announced it, we're going to run
John C Dvorak: Robo ai ai. Yeah.
But that's just that's not going
to be for this. What's the
difference? And then I gotta do
it. Anyway. Good day. It doesn't
work. They?
Adam Curry: Yes, they are, of
course, they're going to do it.
In fact, I have. I have a
where's it I think I have a
boots on the ground report about
this. Was this. One of our one
of our producers had this happen
to them? I may not have it
handy. The the crux of it is
they have a company that I think
brings in $50,000 a year and the
IRS hit them up for $500,000 in
unpaid taxes, which was run
automatically and they can't
even get anyone to pick up the
phone. And listen to him.
John C Dvorak: Well, that
doesn't make a lot of
Adam Curry: here it is here it
is. Just wanted to chime in and
confirm your contention that the
tax debt over 250,000 scam is
just trying to squeeze small
business. To make it short. My
wife and I have a very small
business that processes
transactions online, we make
around 50k a year in taxable
income on this business, the IRS
had an automated system that
decided we owed them 500,000
plus dollars for tax year 2021.
They decided this and 2023 it
was clearly some type of
algorithm they applied to us and
it's impossible to even speak to
a human about this and try to
get it resolved. Explain that we
literally make 1/10 the amount
each year that they claim we Oh
yeah, that it doesn't make
sense. But it's happening.
John C Dvorak: But it doesn't
make sense because you can get a
hold of the IRS. No, I've never
heard it. You can't get a hold
of the IRS and go to their arms
Busman program. There's a
million ways to getting a hold
of the IRS. We just had a
situation with the IRS
ourselves. And Mimi had no
trouble getting a hold of an IRS
person though to work on this.
Oh, maybe they
Adam Curry: should reach out to
me, me me me has powers.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's called
dialing a phone.
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
what they're saying.
John C Dvorak: I understand what
they're saying. I'm just saying
that doesn't make sense. Because
I've never had trouble getting
ahold the IRS.
Adam Curry: Maybe. Maybe you
have credentials that we're all
unaware of.
John C Dvorak: No, you call a
number. Just phone numbers. You
can call? Yes, I know,
Adam Curry: John. I know. I'm
just telling you. They may have
been able to get a hold of them,
but maybe they couldn't help
them. I mean, I during the
pandemic, you certainly couldn't
get a hold of anyone that's
different.
John C Dvorak: But this is very
resolvable.
Adam Curry: I sure hope so. They
seem to be frustrated by the
process. By the way. Just as an
aside speaking of the smartest
people in the world, Kara
Swisher. Without a doubt one of
the smartest people in the
world. One of our producers
asked her a question on tick
tock and she answered.
John C Dvorak: Tick tock, tick
tock
Adam Curry: on X on x. Hey,
Kara. I'm a big fan of pivot. My
hate Listen, I've heard Jhansi
Dvorak referred to you as his
protege many times he seems to
be very proud of this fact. How
big of an impact did Devora have
on your career?
John C Dvorak: You did this?
Adam Curry: No, I didn't do it.
Matt FFLs. Did it is one of our
producers. I didn't do this.
Would you like to hear her
answer? Because she answered.
John C Dvorak: I'm dying. I'm
sure she said Hey, wait, wait,
let me guess. Let me guess.
Dvorak who
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no,
no, she was she acknowledges you
with I'm not really. But he had
a good show back in the day.
That sounds right. I'm a protege
of Walt Mossberg. Oh, okay.
There you go. That makes sense.
I just thought it was great that
she answered, because she's
probably irked that we're always
busting her chops.
John C Dvorak: I don't think she
knows that we even do a show she
does. She does she does now
there's no no chance. She does.
Adam Curry: I've even I've even
once I think I sent a slash on X
to Prof. G and said I was my
favorite hate listen, and he
replied, thanks. I think they
know they No, come on. They're
in the business of tech
podcasts. How could they not be
listened to the no agenda show?
Where you know do tech did we do
we do all kinds of tech? We know
everything about tech. What did
we just do about AI? That's
tech.
John C Dvorak: I guess it is.
Adam Curry: We know more about
tech than those jokes. Well,
that's beside the point. All
they know is how to moan and
groan about Elon Musk the head
horrible he is
John C Dvorak: Oh boo she I
don't know like I still like to
I like people in the in the
media that hate musta hit on
Musk like It's like there's no
tomorrow I'd like an
explanation. When we know the
Adam Curry: explanation. No, we
don't. He took away their tool.
They're the the tool of Twitter.
Yes, the tool of Twitter which
they they
John C Dvorak: use this they
started hating on must before he
took over Twitter that just
closed the deal. Once he once he
flipped you know, this is I
guess my thesis is gonna stick.
Stick to this. The Democratic
Party is a cult.
Adam Curry: Wow. Wow. Everybody
stop what you're doing.
John C Dvorak: Once you quit the
party, they go after Yeah. Like
a cult does.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's a
reasonable idea.
John C Dvorak: And reason and
people in the Republican Party.
They quit the Republican Party.
I mean, I have and nobody cares.
Oh, yeah. Okay, whatever. What
is you now libertarian? Yeah, as
what he says. But the Democrats
you quit the Democratic Party if
you're involved, especially if
you have a lot of money like
Trump did. You quit the party
and start to do anything else?
And they're all over? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, did you see
what happened to John Weiner?
Unknown: This you see,
John C Dvorak: John, when I did
I saw it happen to yawn when or
do you see what happened to do
it? Now? We're bringing this up
to just see what happened to
what's his name to British guy
Adam Curry: Russell Brand. I
John C Dvorak: have a clearer so
brand guy killed. Well, first,
let me explain what not
literally, but both figurative
but let's start with
Adam Curry: Yan winner. Sean
Weiner, who started Rolling
Stone magazine became a super,
super uber lefty, I would say.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And he was
just as an example of that, is
he pretty much has the veto
power over the Rock and Roll
Hall Hall of Fame. Yeah, had and
we will not allow a number of
people to be in it, even though
they should have been in it
years ago.
Adam Curry: Yes. Well, he has
been ousted from the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame board. Because
he wrote a book. And he did an
interview with The New York
Times. And in and he's and the
question was asked, Well, why
didn't you have more women in
your book? Why don't you have
more people of color? Or
John C Dvorak: a woman a woman?
Why do you have a woman in the
book or a black musician?
Adam Curry: And he said you
know, they're just they they
dumb? It was worse. He said in
The Times interview with winner
that published on Friday he said
that black and also female
musicians quote, didn't
articulate at the level of the
white male musicians in his
classic it's not that they're
not creative geniuses. It's just
that they're inarticulate.
Although go have a deep
conversation with glade gray
slick or Janis Joplin. Please be
my guest you know Joni Mitchell
was not a philosopher of rock
and roll she didn't in my mind
meet that test not by her work
not by other interview she did.
The people I interviewed were
the kind of philosophers of rock
of black artists well you know
Stevie Wonder genius right.
Suppose me use the word use the
word is brought us masters. The
fault is using that word maybe
Marvin Gaye Curtis Mayfield? I
mean, they just didn't
articulate at that level. But
Pete Townsend Oh, hold on. Water
canard. And then he said, You
know, I guess I'm old fashioned.
I should have probably put one
woman and one black person in
there but um, you know, I don't
care. Well,
John C Dvorak: this is the
classic leftist.
Adam Curry: Okay
John C Dvorak: devs hypocrites.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So the Russell Brand
thing is interesting
John C Dvorak: anyway, just
finish the winner thing he's
He's been our scores created for
this,
Adam Curry: that while the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame sent a
statement, Yan Venner has been
removed from the board of
directors of the Rock Roll Hall
of Fame Foundation, and they
have no further comment. And
then when are of course issued a
statement in my interview with
The New York Times and made
comments that dismiss the
contributions, genius and impact
of black and women artists, I
apologize wholeheartedly for
those remarks. The Masters is a
collection of interviews I've
done over the years that seemed
to me best represent an idea of
Rock and roll's impact on the
world. They were not meant to
represent the whole of music and
as diverse and important origins
but reflect the high points of
my career and interviews I felt
illustrate the breadth and
experience in that career Mee
Mee Mee Mee Mee now he's done
he's done is great. He's done.
So the the brand thing is
interesting. I started getting
emails like hey, channel four
just preempted its normal
lineup. So this was this was not
a planned show. This was they
they preempted whatever is
normally running and ran this 90
minute program which accuses and
I think it's because it leaked
out and he got some emails and
the day before he did a YouTube
and he said hey, this is this is
not right I'm I'm being
railroaded because I have a
different message and and I have
like a minute, which really
shows you what kind of a hit job
this was. Nobody can talk about
the validity of it. But the hit
job is a beautiful piece they
edited and they use this as the
trailer. This is inappropriate
probably for young ears. But
here is a piece from Channel
Four is Russell Brand. expose a
I phoned
Unknown: and somebody that's
what it was regarding. And I was
said that's regarding Russell
Brand being a sex offender.
He's grabbing my my underwear,
pulling it to the side, I'm
telling him to get off me and he
won't get off. Like holding me
up against the wall, pushing
himself in me.
I love the music.
He grabbed me and got me on the
bed. I was fully clothed and he
was naked at this point. And he
held me down and he was just
aggressively trying to you know,
me. I was like, Oh my God, He
raped me
forced his penis down my throat
and couldn't breathe. I was
choking me. I was crying. And he
said, Oh, I only want to see
your mascara run anyway
mascara runs a little bit
Adam Curry: this this big. So so
they take a story where the
woman says this is exactly what
he did and said I just want to
make your mascara run and they
cut to a comedic conference a
stand up of him where he's using
this as a joke. And he says
those blow jobs that to make
your mascara run, and they add a
lot of echo to it and a lot of
scary effects. That to me tells
me this is a job. But wow, a
serious one. And I have lots of
questions. Like, is he has he
been removed from YouTube yet?
More importantly, or have
charges have been filed? We know
that. Certainly this apparently
happened in Los Angeles, that
you can make millions of dollars
just like the case against Trump
with a with a 20 3040 year old
accusation. So what is this what
what really is the result of
this? What is the point? And
there's there's two sides. One
is this is two this is the
mainstream media hates what he's
saying and Big Pharma hates what
he's saying. And the other side
is he's using it to up his
profile. I mean, there's all
kinds of sides to this.
John C Dvorak: I think it's I
don't think he's using it to up
his profiles. It's
Adam Curry: like an Andrew Tate
type type of thing. Oh,
John C Dvorak: that's not going
to happen.
Adam Curry: But him I've always
wondered why he's still on
YouTube that that is
questionable to say the least.
Make no it
John C Dvorak: won't be on for
long. I think there are things
to get rid of him. He's a he's a
pain in the ass. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's
definitely a pain in the ass.
But it's also as like, dude. You
could see this coming down
coming down Broadway. You're
building an audience on YouTube.
What are you thinking? Oh, no,
I'm now I'm on rumble. Okay,
John C Dvorak: bitch shoot, come
in.
Adam Curry: Now he's always
rumble, I think rumble pays him.
And we'll see we'll see how
strong Rumble is with these
horrible allegations. It's now
you know, of course believe all
women. But man, this is this is
severe. And it's so stylized.
It's not a news report. It's a
90 minute documentary with with
music and effects. And an echo
is I mean, it's really meant to
influence people's thinking. I
don't even know if I haven't
watched the whole thing. I
haven't haven't watched the
whole thing I will. I don't even
know if they show two sides or
if it's just all a hit job. The
funny thing is people are on
posting audio. This is AI. Oh my
god, really people. It's not
that hard to find someone who
will
John C Dvorak: just say, I know
there's one clip going around to
one woman when she got cut in
and out but the raw version of
her sounds very AI ish. But
what's the point you can find an
actress to do you don't need AI
for
Adam Curry: that. Hey, you know,
tell me this. You're an expert
in audio. Isn't this AI? No.
John C Dvorak: I got that. No to
your Yeah, Adam, you're the
expert. Is this AI?
Adam Curry: Ah, no. It's not
that hard to get actresses to do
this. They've been said they use
four actresses for this piece.
John C Dvorak: So somebody sent
me There's a website called AI
or not.com. And Ar not.com takes
a look at images and tells you
whether they're AI or not. We
need to the Art Generator.
Right. Well, I did and
everything was AI. But so I took
some regular pictures and I
swear this is a fact. I took a
picture. I took a couple of
screenshots of airy Melber or
whatever his name is Ari Morrow,
Adam Curry: Ra Ra on
John C Dvorak: MSNBC. Yeah, that
guy. And so I had a pic couple
of screenshots of them and I
slipped one into the AI
generator. It says this isn't
this is a real picture. And then
it said, not safe for work.
Anyway, yes, not safe for work.
Adam Curry: No, no, no. I have a
John C Dvorak: bunch of clips
about the impeachment. I want to
get good. And we didn't talk
about last. Oh, of
Adam Curry: course not. There's
reasons for that. It's Can you
Is it exciting?
John C Dvorak: I think it's
interesting, because they
brought is from NTD. So they're
they're anti by moe. Sure.
Adam Curry: And we say the
impeachment. We're talking about
impeaching President Biden
because he was involved in
corruption through His Son.
John C Dvorak: We don't know.
But it's a lot of just Hanky
Panky is what I would describe
it. And it's at least as bad as
when Spiro Agnew is in the vice
presidency. And it was
collecting money in his office
and they had to rouse them and
kicked him out of the office.
And this is Joe Biden was doing
the same stuff when he was vice
president and probably still
things going on. But this would
this the only reason I got these
clips because this is a guy they
brought in just to outline the
evidence, because the Democrats
say there's no evidence. So
yeah, so we have these clips of
this guy they brought on to talk
about the evidence. So you
people out there can say yeah,
there's evidence whether they're
going to do anything or not, and
they're not going to get an
impeachment accomplished because
of the Senate. And the Democrats
are all all for it. But let's go
with impeachment evidence in TD
people. Sorry,
Unknown: what's the evidence
against President Biden in the
impeachment inquiry, a key
player has fallen out of the
news cycle, Victor Shokin. This
was the Ukrainian prosecutor
tasked with cleaning up
corruption in the country. Until
then Vice President Biden
stepped in calling for his
removal. At the time. Shokan was
reportedly investigating the
energy company Burisma where
Hunter Biden was a board member
to go over the timeline, we
spoke with an investigative
journalist Jeff Carlson, thank
you so much for joining us. And
since this impeachment inquiry
has been launched, several news
outlets and pundits have been
saying this is without evidence.
Others say there's a lot of
evidence, what evidence is
there.
You know, one of the big things
that Democrats have been talking
about is the fact that the will,
what they've really done is
they've sort of capitulated at
first it was you know, Joe Biden
didn't talk to Hunter Biden than
it was Joe Biden didn't talk to
his business partners, that it
was okay to talk to his business
partners, but he didn't actually
talk business so we keep
breaking down these doors. Now
the new narrative is you can't
trace the money directly going
back to Joe Biden. Well, you
pretty much can. And that's what
this is all about. You know,
it's not as if we're going to
have a cheque that's going to be
written directly out to Joe
Biden, we know that there was
this use of 20 different plus
shell, holding company shell
companies through which cash was
passing through. We know that if
you look at the Ukraine
situation, you had this new
prosecutor that was brought in.
And despite what people say he
was absolutely investigating
Burisma you know, there was
always this narrative that the
IMF and the EU wanted Shokan
gone, that's utterly false. We
spent forever researching this
and trying to find any evidence
of either of those entities
wanting Shokan out prior to Joe
Biden announcing that he was
going after Shogun, and it
doesn't exist.
John C Dvorak: So that's the
this is where it's going to
really be about it's about this
Shokan guy and Biden bragging
about memory when he was in
front of the Council on Foreign
Relations. I think it was
Adam Curry: yes, no, no, no. It
was like the Aspen Institute or
something.
John C Dvorak: I thought it was
in the CFR Well, it was he was
in it was in public. And he's
bragging about how he got rid of
this guy. Because
Adam Curry: you're right, it was
to see you I have I have the
clip, it was CFR, we might as
well play it since you're doing
this expos a,
Unknown: I remember going over
convincing our team or others to
convince the United that we
should be providing for loan
guarantees. And I went over, I
guess, the 12th 13th time to
Kyiv. And, and I was going
supposed to announce that there
was another billion dollar loan
guarantee. And I had gotten a
commitment from Poroshenko and
from Yatsenyuk that they would
take action against the state
prosecutor and they didn't. So
they said to me, they walk out,
depress kind of sit nice, and
I'm not going to, we're not
going to give you the billion
dollars. They said you have no
authority, you're not the
president, the President's and I
said call him. I said, I'm
telling you, you're not getting
the billion dollars. I said,
you're not getting the billion
I'm gonna be leaving here. I
think it was about six hours, I
look guys, I'm leaving in six
hours. If the prosecutor is not
fired, you're not getting the
money. Well, son of a bitch got
fired. And they put in place
someone who was
Adam Curry: solid and friendly
to me and my family and others.
John C Dvorak: Active, of
course, has been going around
for I don't know if you have a
date on it, but it's what do I
do three years and when
Adam Curry: 2019 October 2019
for years.
John C Dvorak: And of course
everyone has been pointing to
that clip, as you know, is worse
than what Trump did with his
phone call. But okay, it's been
taken forever to get anywhere in
here we go to clip two.
Unknown: As a matter of fact,
quite the opposite. The State
Department had said that Shokin
had made enough progress that
they were willing to free up the
1 billion in taxpayer
guarantees. Some people said
their loans, they really
weren't. They were taxpayer
guarantees. But nevertheless,
from Ukraine's perspective, it
freed up one access to $1
billion. So Joe Biden actually
altered US official policy by
suddenly deciding to withhold
these funds to Ukraine, because
he was trying to get he was
trying to place pressure on
Poroshenko, the President of
Ukraine to remove Shokan. And it
even gets a little bit worse
from there, because once Shokan
was finally removed, they needed
to make sure that they had the
correct prosecutor in place that
would close all the Burisma
investigations. That took a
couple of months. And there was
quite literally a phone call
with Poroshenko, the day after
the new prosecutor was put in
place a guy named Yuri, let's
say go. The day after he was put
in place. Biden had a phone call
with Poroshenko. And it was only
then on that phone call that he
agreed to finally release these
funds, which were supposed to
have been released in you know,
December of the prior year,
December 2014. Those funds
didn't get officially released
until I believe it's May 16 of
2016. And they were tied to put
it in in the new prosecutor. And
that new prosecutor was the one
who closed the investigation
into Burisma.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yep. Yep,
that's how I remember it.
John C Dvorak: I think well
worked out. Well,
Adam Curry: don't even have that
call the Biden call that guy. I
think there was a call.
John C Dvorak: No, we don't.
Okay. I mean, I don't think so.
Let's go to step three.
Unknown: And Jeff, I want to
zoom in on that. So Democrats
are now pushing back on this
impeachment inquiry saying that
while Hunter Biden may have
acted unethically, Joe Biden did
not he did not change any US
policy. You argue otherwise. So
what policy did Joe Biden
change?
Just the withholding of those
loans was an official change in
our foreign policy, and it
appears that it was being done
in order to close down in a
investigation into an entity
which is on was on the board of
directors. But more importantly
than that, that they appear to
have been further financially
entwined. In terms of the you
know, the news that we've been
getting out regarding these,
these sequences of two separate
$5 million bribes one to Joe
Biden, one to Hunter Biden all
tied into getting this
investigation removed. And it's
important to note that Burisma
is not above making bribes. The
owner of Burisma managed to
close a UK investigation before
Hunter actually came on board by
doing exactly that. He paid the
former prosecutor, he paid the
former prosecutor's office a $7
million bribed to close an
earlier investigation. You know,
ultimately, this is part of
another argument that we've been
making is that it's impossible
that Obama wasn't aware of this,
you don't suddenly stop
unilaterally a major loan going
through to Ukraine that had been
in the works, and then hold that
loan up until the changes that
you want it to be made. Were
actually effectuated. So
ultimately, Obama had the will
be aware, at least after the
fact of what his Vice President
was doing.
Adam Curry: Well, Biden said it
Biden said it right there in
that clip, you don't believe a
call the president, he'll back
me up. So he must of course, he
knew.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that hasn't
really been brought up much. It
was assumed in that clip that
you're talking about. That that
was a bluff.
Adam Curry: Oh, really, I
believe it wholeheartedly. I
mean, this is this is Joe Biden.
The enemy always overplayed his
hand. This is exactly what he
did, right? A pride, pride.
That's what he had pride in what
he did.
John C Dvorak: to rake a clip
for
Unknown: and zooming out a bit,
these are just this is just an
impeachment inquiry, not yet
Articles of Impeachment to be
voted on. But the White House
has already shot back. It's
actually giving a statement to
major news organizations on how
to report on this saying to
scrutinize what the House
Republicans are saying, what
does it mean for our country
when major news organizations
are getting editorial guidance
from the White House instead of
reporting on it from a distance?
You know, I obviously I saw that
and was a little flabbergasted.
We've known I guess you in some
ways could almost argue, hey,
good, at least it's out in the
open because for years, the
exact same thing has been going
on behind the scenes. You know,
how many times do you see one
media organization, it usually
comes downstream from the New
York Times and Washington Post.
But everybody picks up the
narrative really, pretty much at
exactly the same moment. You
know, we know that the White
House was directing all the
efforts at suppressing
information on social media
sites, Google, etc. Behind the
scenes. Same thing with COVID.
Now, they just seem to have
given up any pretense that are
literally putting that directive
out there
Adam Curry: this. See, this is
why I think they hate Elon Musk,
because everybody's complicit.
They're all corrupt. And that is
so specifically around Ukraine.
There were so many people
involved in that corruption. And
we know the news media is
actually they are they are
corrupt. They're in bed with the
intelligence agencies. They're
all at the same parties. And
that's why they hate Musk
because he let this be let some
stuff out. And this people feel
threatened.
John C Dvorak: This last clip,
which is the real reason to play
these clips. Oh, okay. I think
is there's something suspicious
about the fact that this memo
went out in the first place.
This was this is these memos,
the memo that went out to tell
them newsmedia how to react to
these these stories, which the
guy himself said, Well, this has
always been a known kind of a
secret. Now that's out in the
open because they don't care.
They just blatant now, he's just
saying Here we run the media,
here's how you should cover
these stories. I don't believe
that. I think this memo was
purposely pushed out there by
one of the big news companies,
and I'm suspecting the
Washington Post, because they're
the ones that are going after
Biden the most, as if it was
just pushed into the mainstream.
I think I think this was a kind
of a leak. As opposed to a
blatant promotion, how but there
is something very suspicious
about this, and I think is to
accomplish two things. One, what
was maybe mentioned in the
Council on Foreign Relations,
publication, foreign affairs,
about getting out of Ukraine,
and the whole thing is so
corrupt, why are we there? And
the second one is part of the
program by a lot of people, not
all of them by about half the
Democrat party to get rid of
Biden,
Adam Curry: how about this?
Everyone understands that? If
Trump gets in office, they all
Hang on. I think, whether that's
true or not, I don't know.
John C Dvorak: But I think
that's the genuine hang last
time, but yes,
Adam Curry: exactly. But you
know, it makes people worried
and everybody overstepped
somehow So maybe this is the
rats leaving the ship saying,
well, at least we can shove all
of this blame with our powerful
media empires. We can push all
of this onto one guy, one
family, let him bleed for it.
The old coot So yeah, that just
protected. It obviously has
nothing to do with democracy.
It's only no protecting their
own asses because of reputation
and criminality.
John C Dvorak: Well, something's
up. And I think that discussion
to that, that note coming out
from the White House telling
people how to react to these
impeachment things is
Adam Curry: an Obama has to be
protected at all costs, because
well, Obama
John C Dvorak: got nailed in
this little did keep mentioning
him. I think Obama is is
targeted to but I don't know
what they're what they're going
to accomplish with that. But
here's the last of these clips
of this series.
Unknown: What will be
interesting, though, is that
this one time that they are
making an overt directive
telling the news organizations
what they want them to do. And
so far, they're mostly doing it.
Will they continue? Because
there definitely seems to be a
step back from Biden. You know,
the other day, we saw something
that was unheard of, we saw CNN,
running a clip where they were
putting up the number of times
that Joe Biden had lied. We have
David Ignatius Writing in The
Washington Post that Joe Biden
shouldn't run again in 2024. So
we're getting you know, our
theory has long been that Joe
Biden is not ultimately going to
be the nominee for 2024. But
it's going to be somebody else,
likely Gavin Newsom. And we're
now seeing those cracks start to
form. So, you know, I think it's
worthwhile noting for the
audience, that all this
perceived protection around Joe
Biden is less about protecting
Joe Biden, but more about
protecting sort of the
establishment and the way the
establishment does business. And
I, you know, I think at this
point, they're beginning to give
up on Joe a little bit as these
facts mount as we started off
discussing at the beginning of
this episode.
Adam Curry: He's very measured
in what he says. I mean, I
agree, yes, no one wants anyone
to see how the sausage is made.
And I'm now thinking this has to
do with Mitt Romney's
announcement that he's not
running anymore. I'm not
running. We need younger people
to come by Mitt Romney looks 60.
He's 7475. The guy looks great.
is in great health a 76.
Actually, did I say that? 76. He
said it looks like 74 or 75.
Okay, so he's 76. He looks at
six he does the he looks good.
He looks good. He's you know, he
started Bain Capital he's made
bank. I think he's getting out
because he knows the dominoes
are about to fall. And back in
2014, August 7 of this very
podcast. According to the Durham
report, the best podcast in the
universe, Episode 641, we were
discussing how business is done,
certainly in the world, but by
the United States, politicians,
the elites, I think it was in
regard to Ebola in Africa. It's
like, hey, you know, we're going
to come in, we're going to take
over your country, here's some
Ebola for you. But then
something else popped up in this
conversation, which I thought
was worth playing. Let's go back
in time to August 7 2014. So we
shall see if they can really
pull it off. Because I don't I
think these guys just sitting
back and go, okay. Let's forget
Ebola for a moment. How much
money you're gonna give me? What
am I getting into the table? I
don't think America and we have
limits on that stuff. You know,
the carriers of the world. Screw
you, man, my kid's gonna get the
money. Joe Biden's kids gonna
get the the company in Ukraine
that he's running. You know,
they have limits, they won't
they will just bring our
extractive unit known as the
Pentagon and Department of
Defense and will kill you
John C Dvorak: know, that's why
we like to give people generous
loans.
Adam Curry: not mentioned in
that lineup was Mitt Romney's
kid, they were all involved in
Ukraine, all of them and Pelosi,
his kid. They're all involved in
the Ukraine scandal because it
was such a great country to do
that, too. Yeah, and I think
this is why let's see what what
moves carry makes you know, you
know, my dad in Africa, I'm
doing climate change, but he's
not immune. They'll they'll
throw him for the wolves to they
will they think
John C Dvorak: yeah, I forgot
about the Romney kids
Adam Curry: Romney Romney kid
the carry kid
John C Dvorak: you know, he
could run two more times he
looks so
Adam Curry: easily and he loves
the power he loves it. So I'm
not I'm not buying this
John C Dvorak: is a good catch.
I think so. I think you're
right. So that makes just some
pushback. Artists, clips, these
are older but this is the White
House. I want to play these this
one and then to see if the other
two follow. White House push
back on impeachment.
Unknown: Welcome back because
the White House is asking the
media to be critical of the
impeachment inquiry against
President Biden it sent a letter
urging them to, quote ramp up
scrutiny. The letter from White
House spokesperson II and Sam
says that there is no evidence
against Biden and that the
Impeachment Inquiry is without
merit. The letter has raised
concern as it seems to urge news
outlets to follow an editorial
director from the White House.
The letter was sent out today to
top executives at big news
outlets like the New York Times,
Fox, CNN and the associated
press box. This comes after
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy
announced the Impeachment
Inquiry yesterday.
Adam Curry: Oh, watch this be a
super benefit by having Fox take
a fall to watch that just you
can watch it happen. Hey, we can
get Fox we can get Fox to fall
fold to could happen.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you don't
need these other ones. There's
more of the same. It's just that
this White House directive is
very interesting. Well, the sure
what the ramifications will be
long term, but it's not. It's
not a positive thing.
Adam Curry: Well, the the case
the Missouri and Louisiana case
didn't is going to the Supreme
Court. Just as a side note, even
though that was more about
COVID. But it's always mentioned
kind of in the in the same
breath from our lawyer. As
expected, the feds have decided
to go straight to Supreme Court.
They asked Justice Alito to stay
the preliminary injunction
pending the filing and
disposition of the government's
forthcoming petition for a writ
of certiorari, which sounds like
a Roman soldier. And any further
proceedings also granted, Alito
granted them a one week stay
those until next Friday and has
ordered the plaintiffs to file a
response by Wednesday. From our
lawyer here. It'll be
interesting to see what the
plaintiffs say in response with
Alito ultimately decides. All we
know for sure is the feds have
announced their plan to seek a
Supreme Court review. Well,
nothing uncertain. Our lawyer
says the odds are very good.
They can persuade at least four
justices to agree to hear the
case. That which is the minimum
needed if that happens to M five
and we'll be hard pressed to
ignore the story which they have
so far. Like except for this
White House directive, which
seems to be overshadowing it a
little bit, but it's all part of
the same thing. And this will we
know that this has been going on
it's nonstop and I think people
are figuring it out and this
will then bring me to equal
airtime this morning. The new
the new Chuck Todd on Meet the
Press.
Unknown: Oh yes Welker.
Adam Curry: Yes, Welker
interviewed President Trump. And
I have some clips, since it's
very timely. Let's listen to the
Unknown: intro ahead of her
first episode as the new
moderator of Meet the Press.
Kristen Welker sat down with
former President Trump in a one
on one exclusive interview
inside his New Jersey Golf Club.
The interview comes as Mr. Trump
faces a historic moment,
expanding his already dominant
lead over the GOP field. With
his sights firmly set on
retaking the White House while
facing enormous legal peril
across four looming criminal
trials. No topic was off limits,
from the prospect of jail time
two big policy issues like his
stance on abortion, and his view
of Russian leader Vladimir Putin
will make comments this week
about Trump's so called plan to
end the war in Ukraine. Think of
Us Now interestingly,
Adam Curry: on Friday Megyn
Kelly also interviewed former
President Trump and questions
were almost identical. Oh like
scripted. Well, except for one
which we'll get to later
John C Dvorak: the Can I mention
something here? Yeah. This
Welker thing. The left leaning
Mastodon instances which is most
of them, main one, except for
No, he
Adam Curry: went ballistic. Why?
Because the fact that they gave
him airtime at all,
John C Dvorak: yes.
Adam Curry: Interesting. Well,
maybe this is a part of taking
it all down. It was cozy up to
Trump man, because you know,
he's gonna kill everybody. So
we'll start with the dare Volker
with the first question, which
is, well, we'll stick with
Ukraine since that is the center
of all action. Right now.
Unknown: Want to ask you about
something President Putin said
about you this week? I don't
know if you've seen it. This was
very recent President Putin
said, quote, We surely hear that
Mr. Trump says he will resolve
all burning issues within
several days, including the
Ukrainian crisis. We cannot help
but feel happy about it. What do
you make of that? Do you welcome
that? He said that because that
means what I'm saying is right.
I would get him into a room I
get Zelinsky into a room then
I'd bring them together and I'd
have the deal worked out. I
would get a deal worked out. It
would have been a lot easier
before it started. Essentially
for four years. I kept them from
doing anything. Because you know
what? I will tell you this I've
never seen others, Ukraine was
the apple of his eye. I said,
Don't ever do it, don't ever do
it, he would have never done it.
But again, oil prices, he
wouldn't have done it because of
me. But oil prices, the prices
were so high that he had so much
money. So he had all this money
to prosecute the war. The one
who drove up the prices was
Biden, given that
President Putin has bombed
maternity wards for 20,000 kids
from Russia, mass graves,
mass graves,
welcome his support his all but
endorsement.
Look, I had a very good
relationship with him. And yet
nobody was tougher on Russia
than me. I stopped Nord Stream
two, you never heard of Nord
Stream two. That was the
pipeline until I got involved. I
said Nord Stream two people that
were sophisticated military
people and political people
never heard of Nord Stream to I
had it ended, the pipeline was
dead. Biden came in and he
proved it. There was nobody
tougher than me with Russia. And
yet I got along with Putin, let
me say I got along with him
really well. And that's a good
thing. Not a bad thing. He's got
1700 nuclear missiles, and so do
we. But look, that's a good
thing. Getting along is okay.
But I got along through
strength, and the war would have
never happened, the war would
have never happened. Now what's
happened, it's so bad. The oil
price is so high, it's hard to
get it stopped. The oil price is
so high. When he goes above 50
and $60 a barrel. He makes a lot
of money on the war. Now, it's a
humanitarian thing. It's a lot
of different reasons. But I will
get that war stop.
Adam Curry: A lot of interesting
things in there. About Norway
thrown Nord Stream out Nord
Stream two, which is not the one
that was blown up. Very
interesting, and blaming it all
on Biden because of the oil
price. So let's talk about age,
because that's what we got to
do.
Unknown: What do you make of the
age issue? Should there be an
age limit to running for
president, but
there should be a competency.
I'm all for the tests. You know,
I took a test two years ago,
three years ago. And as the
doctors said, and it was in
front of doctors and a whole big
deal at Walter Reed, which is an
incredible place. And I aced it,
I aced it, I get everything
right. I'm all for testing. I
frankly, think testing would be
a good thing. A lot of people
say it's not constitutional to
do it. But I would be for
testing to test to make sure
everyone's just fine. But a lot
of people say that can't happen
because of constitution.
Adam Curry: Is that true? You
can't test a credit. He says
that. What was he talking about?
He always has reasons for
throwing weird stuff out like
that. I think what he means is
we can't actually find out the
Joe is feeble, because then
well, then we have to invoke the
25th amendment. Maybe that's
what he means.
John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
I think he's, I think I don't
think that's the that's too
convoluted. The 25th amendment
can be implemented for any good
reason that you know, the guy
has a sore toe, you could do it
if you wanted to.
Adam Curry: All I know is Trump
throw stuff out there. And
there's always a reason for it
sometime years later, you Oh,
that's what that was about.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I agree
does that but in this case, I'm
going to let's continue.
Adam Curry: Let's continue with
with ageism.
Unknown: What do you say to
people who say it is time
for a new generation of leaders?
Well, it's always time for a new
generation. But you know, some
of the greatest world leaders
have been in their 80s. I'm not
anywhere very near 80, by the
way, but okay, and Biden's not
too old. I don't think Biden
Sure. But I think he's
incompetent. And that's a bigger
problem. I don't think he is
old. I know people that are 89.
I know person 9495. Who's 100%.
Bernie Marcus, take a look at
Bernie Marcus Home Depot. I
mean, he's been amazing for so
many years, he's 95 years old.
It's, it's really a level of
competency, not the age,
you will be in your 80s. If
you're reelected. Does that
concern you at all? Well, I
will be toward the end. No,
because my father lived much
longer than that. My mother
lived much longer than that. So
genetically, that's a good
thing.
Adam Curry: So the rest of the
interview wasn't all that
interesting, you know, but will
you pardon yourself? You know,
these dumb questions. Kristi,
Noem, who's going to be your
running mate? You left a note
for Biden. What did it say? Is
so Welker? I think she she laid
an egg on this one. The one that
that we really wanted to hear
about the one that Tucker didn't
broach was the vaccine question.
And Megyn Kelly asked the
question, and it's a long
answer. I think it's, I think
it's worthwhile to listen, we
can interrupt it worthwhile to
listen to what his answer was,
because this is truly the only
thing that matters to Magga
country at this point. When it
comes to President Trump.
Unknown: This is the number one
question they wanted me to ask
you that you shut the country
down for six weeks in spring of
two 2020 operation warp speed,
excuse me rushing through. I
didn't really I mean, let me let
me ask. This is my audience
lesson I gotta get it
out, but I let the governors
shut down. Some did and some
didn't. Okay, some didn't shut
down and
operation warp speed, though
that was on the vaccines. They
were rushed through, they have
helped but also hurt a lot of
people. And your White House
actually supported mask
mandates. So wouldn't you like
to do over on any of that?
Look, when this came in, nobody
knew what the hell it was. It
sounded like an ancient, you
know, pandemic, you thought that
was from 200 years ago or from
1970. And we never thought you'd
have a pandemic. Nobody had any
idea. We got word that bad
things were happening in China
right around the Wuhan clinic.
And I was the one that said it
was in the Wuhan clinic. And you
know, I stay stuck with it. And
it was it was absolutely, it
came out of the Wuhan clinic.
But you take a look. And what we
did was we this was brand new,
nobody knew what the hell it was
this dust. Somebody said this
dust coming in from China. And
it's killing people in Italy.
And it's killing people in
France. And
Adam Curry: you understand what
he's getting at here. What he's
what he's saying is, we didn't
know it's easy. I think what
he's saying is in hindsight,
easy to say that, but I got all
these messages, all this stuff
was happening, and I took
actions going
Unknown: to kill people here.
And by the way, I shut it down
to China. That was a big move. I
saved 1000s hundreds of 1000s of
lives by doing it. But honestly,
nobody, I don't blame a lot of
people because nobody knew what
it was. Now we do understand it
somewhat. Nobody really
understands that even now,
fully. But nobody knew what
COVID was. And it wasn't even a
name. I call it the China virus.
I still do I call it the China
virus it came out of China.
Adam Curry: He does these great
things where this is all NLP
what he's doing, it's so it's so
good. He'll give you some
information, then zap your head
around what I call the China
virus. And the it takes you back
to that takes you actually back
into the briefing room when he
was saying that is very smart.
Unknown: You know, they call it
COVID and COVID-19. As far as
the vaccine is concerned, you
had the original COVID. And
that's
Adam Curry: the original COVID.
This was original was different.
It's like original coke. It's
not like New Coke or Diet Coke.
Its original COVID.
Unknown: The vaccine had an
impact on that. And there are
some people I will tell you,
some friends of mine that are
Democrat, I think they voted for
me. But the Democrats, very
smart people, tough people. They
say, you know, I don't
understand one thing. Why don't
you talk more about the vaccine,
it was one of the greatest
things you've ever done. I think
of that. They say to me, and I
say I'm not going to talk about
it one way or the other. First
of all, no,
Adam Curry: I think when he this
is I think this is also NLP when
he says the Democrats told him,
this is the greatest thing
you've ever done. Think about
it. So that immediately makes
you think Democrats were in
charge of this. It's really It's
I think is really interesting.
Unknown: And the vaccine had an
impact on that. And there are
some people I will tell you,
some friends of mine that are
Democrat, I think they voted for
me, but they're Democrat, very
smart people, tough people. They
say, you know, I don't
understand one thing. Why don't
you talk more about the vaccine,
it was one of the greatest
things you've ever done. I think
of that. They say to me, and I
say, I'm not going to talk about
one way or the other. First of
all, no mandates. I don't want
mandates. I've never had
mandates.
Adam Curry: This is his thing.
This is his thing, because of
course we have to recall that
the vaccine was not administered
it was in in in. In fact, it was
held back until after the
election. Specifically was
John C Dvorak: you held back on
purpose? Yes. On purpose. The
Florida advisor guys mainly it
was material. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well, I was
political as well. But here we
go. No, he says no mandates. It
was no mandate. And then he's
got to take a shot at DeSantis
and dates.
Unknown: I never had mandates of
Florida sort of had a mandate
because they were giving the
vaccine they were demanding
everybody take the vaccine,
that's another thing. But no
mandates no anything. I didn't
demand anybody take it. But I
have people on the other side. I
don't know from my side will
know probably there's someone
might say to they said you saved
100 million people because I got
it done in nine months as
opposed to five years to 12
years. A lot of people don't
have it. No, I'm not proud of
it. I'm saying what Democrats
thinks
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting.
You're proud of it? No, I'm not
proud of it. No, I'm just
telling you what Democrats say.
It's better than I think people
realize and people
Unknown: because I got it done
in nine months as opposed to
five years to 12 years. A lot of
people out of it. No, I'm not
proud of it. I'm saying what
Democrats thing. Democrats,
I get it and I'm not doing I'm
not somebody who denies some of
the good of the vaccines. Did I
live interesting.
Adam Curry: Megan says she
doesn't deny some of the good of
the vaccine, even though she
herself says that she is vaccine
injured. It's very interesting.
Unknown: No, I'm not proud of
it. I'm saying what Democrats
thing. Democrats,
I get it and I'm not. I'm not
somebody who denies some of the
good of the vaccines did I lived
through that too, but You know,
of course a lot of people have
been vaccine injured. And that's
one of the questions those
people are mad that they were
rushed through and that they
can't sue.
Well, I never gave mandates and
people have to make up their own
near make their own decision, as
far as I'm concerned. Now, some
places had mandates I have very
strong mandates that largely
Democratic governors and
probably some Republicans, etc,
etc. But wait, you're a
Democrat,
John C Dvorak: as he talked
about when he says mandate,
mandate mandate, but is he
talking about vaccine mandates
which he couldn't do because the
vaccine wasn't available? Or was
he talking about mask mandates?
They never mentioned mask? Are
they talking about quarantine
mandates? What mandates is he
referring to specifically
Adam Curry: only vaccine
mandates? In my opinion, that's
all that he saw. He won't he was
not going to discuss quarantine
or massacre does not come up and
you know,
Unknown: make their own
decision, as far as I'm
concerned. Now, some places had
mandates, very strong mandates,
largely Democrat governors and
probably some Republicans, etc,
etc. But there are Democrats
that say, why aren't you talking
about that? It's one of the they
really believe strongly
Adam Curry: is really trying to
put this into your head, the
Democrats, it's the Democrats,
the Democrats, the Democrats
Unknown: once said, you say and
this is very smart people. They
said you saved 100 million
people worldwide. In 1917. You
know, that it could have been as
much as 100 It ended the First
World War because all the
soldiers were dying of, of this
horrible disease of 1917. You
know, it actually ended the
First World War Two soldiers
were dying. That was one of
lines. They're fighting and
they're dying.
Adam Curry: The only reason he
can be saying this somehow is to
lead us to remind us that
soldiers are dying our soldiers
that the mandates the mandates
in the army and the military,
that these mandates the soldiers
are dying, that must be
something like that. I'm not I'm
not sure why he's doing that.
Otherwise,
John C Dvorak: I think he's
freewheeling so
Adam Curry: possibly, possibly
Unknown: this horrible disease.
They said, you might have saved
100 million people. 50 million
people. Why aren't you talking
about it? I'm not talking about
it. But what I did do is I get
something done for that specific
thing.
Adam Curry: There is I got
something done so now he's
saying hey, I didn't force it in
your arm. He should he should
never says he wasn't even
available during my my
presidency. I don't I'm not sure
why he doesn't say that. That's
a hedge, I think. But now he's
gonna say I did all the work
John C Dvorak: was available to
him. Once the election was over,
he had two months. Yeah, that he
was still in office. He could
have done, you know, mandating.
Then
Unknown: I also got Regeneron
and I got a lot of therapeutics
done, which were great.
Adam Curry: Interesting. He
calls them therapeutics, which
would nullify any emergency
youth authorization. And
Regeneron. Was that really a
therapeutic?
John C Dvorak: Guess I remember
I just vaguely remember what I
were Regeneron. What
Adam Curry: wasn't that bad? It
was a bad product. No, no, no,
it's remdesivir. Oh, okay.
Regeneron, I think is the
monoclonal antibodies, I think,
no, let me look it up. That's
Unknown: thing. I also got
Regeneron. And I got a lot of
therapeutics done, which were
great. I also got the robes and
the leather and the rubber and
all of the different things to
ventilators. We did a tremendous
job. And it's never, you know,
the appreciated what it did with
the economy. I got a lot of good
marks on the economy got a lot
of good marks and a lot of
things rebuilding the military
getting rid of ISIS, the biggest
tax cuts in history. Supreme, I
never got, I think the credit
that I just uncovered, and I'll
tell you, the way I look at it,
it came in and nobody knew it
was we have to put ourselves
back then. I had a meeting. And
we had a lot of professionals in
the Oval Office. They say sir,
something bad is happening in
the world. I said, What's that?
And they said, people are dying.
They're dying in China, in this
area. And those pictures of
moneybags all over the place,
black body bags, satellite
pictures. And they were all
over. I see this strange. And
then I'd have a next another
meeting the next day and the
next day and the next day, and
all of a sudden, they had
something where the first person
died in the United States and
then another Yeah, and then it
died. Then they started dying
all over Italy and all over
Europe. Nobody really knew what
it was Megan,
I hear you. Let's shift gears
and talk about trans and women's
rights.
Adam Curry: It is monoclonal
antibodies. That's what Okay,
that's what it is. So he's kind
of saying I got duped you know,
hey, no one knew what it was.
There was body bags, satellite
images of body bags I've never
seen I don't think that he never
said he was duped. No, but I
know he's not saying they're
John C Dvorak: still his issue.
He can can't say MIT any false
whatsoever. He can't say well,
that was a mistake. This We
can't simply say something was a
mistake.
Adam Curry: Is this pride?
John C Dvorak: Well, I would
technically but there's more to
it seems to me, because even the
most prideful person can say
once in a while say they were
wrong on some and there's some
circumstance this guy can't do
it.
Adam Curry: Pride disease that
makes everyone sick except the
person who has it. Anyway, I
thought Megan kind of gave up
the end there and then went to
trans and then yeah, you're
John C Dvorak: right. She
bailed. She did Bill. abruptly.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, then she
went on to say, hey, you let
Caitlyn Jenner use your bathroom
like, okay, so, so sad.
Pathetic. It really is.
John C Dvorak: Well, at least
somebody brought it up to at
least listen to what his current
Spiel is it will is his Spiel
tends to morph over time as he
re analyzes what he said. So the
next time he says it, it's maybe
the maybe, yeah, and it'll
probably be on one of his
speeches. So completely ironed
out
Adam Curry: here. I guess he's
still working it out in his
head. This is not quite hitting
home yet. What do I have to
change? Well, he may not be
capable of it.
John C Dvorak: He may not
because No, he's not capable.
But he can he can circumvent
what he can work it up. So he
can do it a bit. You could do a
comedy act about it. To make it
funny,
Adam Curry: yeah. Speaking of
the transgender issue, now it's
time for our trans
Unknown: gender athletes self
destruct initiated?
Adam Curry: Well, exactly as
expected, and I think you
prognosticated it, although they
are not actual lead bullets. It
looks like children who have
been who've been mutilated, are
now firing away at doctors,
psychiatrists, psychologists,
hospitals, hospitals, and
probably parents soon. We have
and it's it's mainly girls who
had been transitioned are now
coming out. There's lawsuits
being filed. And wow. Alex
Stein, you know, Alex Stein, the
real Alex Stein 99. He's the guy
that goes into all those city
council meetings and will dress
up the character. Yeah, I can
not judge. He's the best. So he
has a show, which I didn't
realize he has a comedy show.
And he has a Chloe Cole. And she
was slowly Yeah, he's one of the
main ones. Yes. Well, I opening
answers in this. Just this
little bit of this interview.
eye opening?
Unknown: Well, you know, this is
obviously a comedy show. But I
don't want to like be
disrespectful to you at all. You
know, I want to definitely get
your story out there. So tell us
a little bit about what happened
at 14 and I've heard your story
a bunch. But for the people that
haven't, you went to a doctor
and I believe the doctor
basically told your parents if
you don't do this, you are going
to kill yourself. Wasn't that
one of the main motivations in
getting the gender? They're
getting the mastectomy at 14? Or
excuse me, 15?
Oh, yeah, they totally homed in
on that when they're talking to
my parents.
Adam Curry: This is the would
you rather have a dead daughter
or a living son? Classic. But
interestingly, she wasn't saying
that until after they put her on
medication. Susan 15
Unknown: Oh, yeah, they totally
homed in on that when they're
talking to my parents about my
desire to become a boy. I wasn't
suicidal at the time. Actually.
I wasn't suicidal until I was on
the treatments that they put me
on which they put me on puberty
blockers and testosterone when I
was very 13 years old. I was
about halfway through my eighth
grade year when they started
this and I was 15 when they
cleared me to go under the knife
and get a double mastectomy.
That's when I was just it was a
summer after my after my
sophomore year of high school
and they decided to remove my
breasts surgically.
And yeah, if you would have
asked your parents for a tattoo
of Leonard Skinner or you had
Taylor Swift tattoo, do you
think they would have given you
a Taylor Swift tattoo?
Oh, no. I mean, they're in
California. It's illegal to even
let anybody under 18 go into a
tanning booth. And yet they they
let kids see encourage kids
actually to undergo these
permanent life changing
procedures that will affect the
entire course of development
from there on.
Adam Curry: I thought this for
me, oh, wait a minute. The
suicidal tendencies didn't come
until you put the kid on puberty
blockers well that changes the
story a little bit
John C Dvorak: changes the story
a lot. One of my first is this
is going to be a dis is going to
be a horrendous and well
deserved nightmare. Because
she's not the only one and the
any one of these things where
they become popular Ah, you
know, it's like all of a sudden
and other, it creates kind of a
cascade effect, which is what
has to happen. And all these
medical operations have got to
do they're going to be they're
having meetings as we speak. Oh,
you bet.
Adam Curry: And it's it's going
to involve school, they do bet
you bet you better believe it. I
mean, Don't bet on it. You bet.
Well, you can bet on it. A
friend of mine, his wife is a
grade school teacher middle
school, I think they call it and
then she had the them in the
class of female. And I guess it
was some full school function.
And he asked his wife who said,
Hey, is that is that that? They
them's dad? She said, Yeah. How
do you know? He says, Well,
first of all, he's wearing a
Ukraine t shirt. So that was
just the easy guess. So it turns
out that these parents, third
grade hired a social worker to
come and monitor their child in
school to make she was make sure
she was okay all the time. And
the school teacher said, they
made her so paranoid. With a
social worker hanging around she
had to add, but she thought the
whole world was about her and
that completely broke her brain.
And then there you go, you
transgender gotta be a boy. It's
all of it, the whole system. And
it I have to say it's coming
from, from mind controlled MK
Ultra parents who wants and this
goes back to my my hairdresser.
Who were the crazy ones during
COVID. And now they have they
need control over their lives.
And here's something I can
control. My kid is trans. Yes, I
have control over this. Got it.
I understand that I'm being told
that this is right. And just and
it's so sad because these
parents that you have to forgive
them. They don't know what
they're doing. They've been
manipulated, completely
psychologically manipulated into
this. Anyone who, who wears a
mask by themselves in their car,
you need to make sure their
children are okay. Check. Check.
Check on me. Sure. The
John C Dvorak: windows are
rolled down in a hot car check.
Adam Curry: You got to check on
a man. Wow. It's just it's just
nuts. Really is.
John C Dvorak: I don't have any
transgender stuff.
Adam Curry: That's really all I
have on the on the train. I
mean, we can't have although I
there was some, some pretty
funny. And actually, we have the
John C Dvorak: actually I do
have something, Brian. Okay.
There's some great, you know,
California's nuts about some of
this stuff.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I've heard I'm
reliably informed.
John C Dvorak: So we have a
couple of bills, school bills,
you know, they make sure that
the things are in order that the
legislature is going to pass.
There's I have two clips is
California school bill a
Unknown: to California bills
could impact how classrooms and
school board meetings are run if
signed. The first is Senate Bill
274. Introduced by Democratic
Senator Nancy Skinner. The bill
would ban schools from
suspending students who disrupt
class or defy teachers known as
willful defiance suspensions.
The amendments taken the
assembly extend the current
sunset, on willful defiance
suspensions prohibition for
middle school students, and
creates a sunset provision for
this on high school students.
The bill has received bipartisan
support.
And Skinner previously said
suspensions lead to students
dropping out of school at a time
when many are still behind due
to the COVID 19 pandemic. But
people in opposition argue that
the bill is almost like a
license for the kids to
misbehave, being detrimental to
the learning of others in the
classrooms.
Adam Curry: Isaiah 31 knows our
six it passed the
Unknown: legislature and is now
awaiting Governor Gavin Newsom
signature in the coming weeks.
Okay,
Adam Curry: let me just
understand, because not Not, not
everyone in the world
understands the tension. So
detention is when you've been a
bad boy or girl in the class
you're sent to the principal's
office at least is the way I
remember it. And the principle
says You have detention, which
means you have to stay after
school in Detention Hall and you
have to be quiet and do your
homework. And you stay there for
an extra hour or so you might
have to do it for a week or two.
Is that Is that what we're
talking about here?
John C Dvorak: But they're
talking about mostly suspensions
where you get kicked out of
school for a week. Okay? Because
you knife the teacher.
Adam Curry: Was that the example
given?
John C Dvorak: No, but it might
as well be. I mean, it's like
the kids who are just Maniacs
and there are kids who are
maniacs and have to be kicked
out of the school and they won't
do now you can't do that you
have to put up with them. Which
means that all the kids will
suffer because you'll have these
troublemakers and kids who are
genuine troublemakers if anyone
can remember back when you were
a kid, there are kids were just
troublemakers and they loved it.
Now they're giving a gift.
You're giving them a free rein
and you don't think they know
it.
Adam Curry: I would like to
refer everyone to a wonderful
movie known as The Breakfast
Club with Molly Ringwald, and
Judd Nelson and, and these kids,
these troublemakers were put
into detention, which comes
before suspension. And the whole
movie is about that and they
turned into wonderful human
beings at the end of the movie.
John C Dvorak: That's where they
got it from. This past a wall.
Adam Curry: It's no good. The
Breakfast Club sucks.
John C Dvorak: So let's play a
clip to this as another thing
going on
Unknown: the second bill, Senate
Bill 596 would make it a
misdemeanor to harass school
employees or disrupt school
board meetings. It's also
awaiting the governor's a final
decision introduced by Senator
Anthony Portantino in February,
individuals who harass school
staff in verbal written or
electronic communication may
face up to $1,000 in fines and
jail time. Critics say this bill
silences parents and protects
school employees from public
criticism, not harassment.
Governor Newsom has until
October 14 to sign or veto bills
this legislative year. So
John C Dvorak: so if you're on
Twitter and you say your school
board sucks you're gonna be
fined $1,000 This is very
Chinese by the way. China PRC
stuff
Adam Curry: Yeah, social credit
score. I like it.
John C Dvorak: It's pretty much
the same thing. And now we have
the last thing which is oh,
there's finally somebody's
pushing back against this and
the government is kept
California from from imposing
their crazy car mandates in his
California Car mandates no been
kicked back by the by the Fed
feds.
Unknown: California may not be
allowed to implement zero
emission vehicle mandate. House
lawmakers voted to strike it
down. And it wasn't just a
Republican majority a Democrats
agreed and tedious Jayson Blair
has the latest
there preserving choice in
vehicle purchases Act passed the
House on Thursday with the new
party line vote
Adam Curry: Who is screaming at
me where's this from? Is this a
local news report
Unknown: and TD alleges
legislation seeks to void
regulations in California that
would ban the sale of new
gasoline powered vehicles by
2035. In order to fight climate
change, the mainly Republican
supporters said that
California's mandate will have
negative economic effects and
intrudes on consumers ability to
choose a car that best fits
their needs domain the Democrat
opponents argued that the
mandate is needed to combat
climate change and reduce
pollution of saying the
transportation sector is a major
contributor to greenhouse gases.
Americans can make consumer
choices based on their merits
and needs, not radical mandates
rooted in trying to force Green
New Deal directives on families.
This bill disregards over 50
years of precedent, erasing
decades of progress made by
states to protect Americans from
dangerous air pollution.
Adam Curry: And now has this
passed or is this still up for
for votes
John C Dvorak: for graduating is
passed, but it hasn't been
signed. By the way. The little
kicker at the end is what got me
which is we need to we need to
get electric cars are because of
dangerous air pollution. That is
not the same as global warming.
Adam Curry: I think we need to
bring this jingle back. People
are asking for it to the gate to
the gate to the clinic. I think
we just need to use it as a
general jingle for all things
climate madness. I'll kick it
off
Unknown: a city ripped to
pieces. Apocalyptic scenes
abound in Turner. After rain
from storm Daniel collapsed dams
outside the city. floods drown
1000 soon afterwards. But the
question is now being asked.
Could it all have been prevented
in Libya, where access to data
is still so difficult, where
there's a compounded problem of
the problems of the dams
breaking as well as the storm
breaking from the from the sea.
This is this is a tragedy in
which climate and capacity has
collided to cause this terrible
terrible tragedy.
Adam Curry: Climate and capacity
has collided to cause this
tragedy. This is the new term
that climate might clip by there
was a year just mind that's
that's the UN douche. That's
climate and capacity. These are
the two new this is the new
term. I think this is what's
going to be the new thing.
John C Dvorak: Well they do have
a there's a there's there are
pushing this idea that we're
over capacity. I've no I'm just
playing my clip as you if it's
in this one, the catastrophic
Unknown: flooding in Libya came
as a new study found Earths II
ecosystems are outside of their
safe operating space for
humanity. The report in the
journal
Adam Curry: gotta hear that one
you know, I'm sorry we got it.
AMY GOODMAN flippin bound. I'm
sorry everybody people are angry
I didn't warn them. Here we go
started to get
Unknown: catastrophic flooding
in Libya came as a new study
found Earth's ecosystems are
outside of their safe operating
space for humanity.
Adam Curry: Oh man that's
beautiful outside of their safe
operating space for humanity.
Unknown: The report in the
journal Science Advances warns
of imbalances to injury of key
measurements of the planet's
health, including biodiversity,
freshwater pollution and the
climate. Climate scientists
Johan rock strim co authored the
report,
six of the nine boundaries are
outside of their safe space. The
four boundaries that we assessed
in 2015 are deeper into the red
so we're continuing to move in
the wrong direction. And this is
a big concern.
Close to 800 organizations have
endorsed climate actions
beginning Friday culminating in
a march to end fossil fuel
Sunday here in New York at the
United Nations My
Adam Curry: goodness so yeah, so
now I just got I gotta write
this down I got I'm sorry. I
have to write down exactly what
she's catastrophic
Unknown: flooding in Libya came
as a new study found Earth's
ecosystems are outside of their
safe operating space for
humanity, Earth
John C Dvorak: space or Safe
Space Systems
Adam Curry: outside of safe
operating space
John C Dvorak: for humanity
Adam Curry: humanity. Okay,
here's what I'd like to say.
Bullshit and with that I'd like
to thank you for your courage in
the morning to man who just put
the sea in the climate and
capacity catastrophe say hello
to my friend on the other end
the one and only Mr. John
John C Dvorak: creemos ship see
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John C Dvorak: take this a lot.
This was the this was a
fallback.
Adam Curry: But after but it
turns out, this was a genius
choice.
John C Dvorak: No, it was a
great choice. It turns out that
which is typical when we do this
when we have this, I don't like
this, you don't like this, why
like this, but you guys still
you still smile, you can't
Adam Curry: read it. Oh, you're
nailing my voice. It's so
accurate.
John C Dvorak: I'm getting
they're getting they're gonna
lose. I could use a bit better
deep notes, but I'm getting one
after the other, which is I had
this and he had that. And he
didn't like this. He didn't like
anything. You actually said to
Adam Curry: me. You're in a
John C Dvorak: mood. I did
because you were in a mood.
Adam Curry: And I said, No, I'm
not in the mood. I just disagree
with you. old coot. And so
John C Dvorak: you're going back
and forth. And back and forth.
And back. It was really took
about 10 minutes.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it took longer
than.
John C Dvorak: And so then it
turned out that when we picked
which was a fallback, it was
like,
Adam Curry: Oh, well, we can
agree on that one. And it was
the best choice. I think in
hindsight, this got a lot of a
lot of attention, people. I got
people texting me. Wow, what a
great you guys are genius. You
chose the right one, or the
best. Like that's right. That's
how that's how we roll. That's
why there's two of us. Francisco
Scaramanga brought us the
artwork for 1590. Very, very
detailed, very good to affirm a
mockingbird, of course,
referring to the scandal of
libraries, dropping all books
from before 2008, I got an email
from a librarian about this, who
says I've been waiting for this
is why listen to the donation
segment. I've been waiting for a
while for y'all to cover that
what the library BS raging my
best guess about weeding in
Canada and Canadian school
libraries. They picked 2008
Because it's 15 years ago, and
library administrators are lazy
and disorganized. They just
picked that round year because
that's when the woke mind virus
ramped up. It's also possible
that some head librarian from
that era retired. So now they
can toss all the bad books with
impunity. At my library books
that don't get checked out for a
whole year are sold or pulped.
The administration regularly
wants to trash the whole
reference section.
John C Dvorak: You know, that's
funny, because I have we have a
book sale here in Albany, which
is a small community that has a
library that does this two book
sales a year and one of them is
people donate their books, and
then they take books from all
the various libraries and it's
all there. And so I you can buy
a complete set of Encyclopedia
Britannica for like $8 Wow, as
and they have all I've had I
have so many reference books.
I've got the Cambridge reference
book of American ethnic groups,
which is huge, by the way, and I
was like, two bucks or three
bucks. So you can load up if you
have your own library in your
own plate, you know, yeah, hold
up
Adam Curry: people. You got a
house like Johnny, you've
removed all your family members
loaded up
John C Dvorak: with books. So
you can get all these cookbooks,
books I got all these books. No,
it's It's a bonanza. I have them
they're cheap.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So they
expunge or pulp expensive art
books, historical atlases and
our library and says library
land has collectively lost its
John C Dvorak: shot for stop,
stop. Let's stop and mention
what they mean when they say
pulp. Damage means they grind up
the books. Yeah, and send it to
a paper recycling company. Yeah,
so this is worse than book
burning.
Adam Curry: By the way, I'd like
to point out that that the media
is using banning burning and
using all kinds of B words were
really it's limiting access to
children it's a little different
and they make it all sound so
Nazi like
John C Dvorak: they want to turn
all our kids into patriots
Hitler you can elect a union.
Adam Curry: Library land has
collectively lost its mind
libraries have forgotten their
core business is giving patrons
the books and info that patrons
want. Libraries have shown their
core value of neutrality in
favor of virtues. Originally,
and I'm I'm you know, in 1987, I
was asked by the ALA, the
American Library Association to
participate in a poster campaign
for them as an MTV. You were
Yes. And I
John C Dvorak: wish I can't tell
you stop reading from the note.
Adam Curry: No, this is me as
I'm sorry. No, it's me. This is
me. I stopped reading from the
note. No. And there was a poster
campaign and was me. In my full
MTV glorified hair, I can't find
it. It was like it was I'm sure
the tagline is like, reading is
good kids. Now something like
that. I wish I could find that.
I wish I could find a copy of
that poster. There was it was an
actual poster and they put it in
libraries. Hey,
John C Dvorak: yeah, you
shouldn't have that on your wall
of shame.
Adam Curry: Well, these days I'd
be ashamed of it or you know,
kind of like you have your
John C Dvorak: book owning the
word good with the EU is
probably.
Adam Curry: Okay, John. Thank
you, Francisco. Scaramanga
Should we just take a quick look
at some of the other pieces that
didn't make the cut that we had
such arguments over? Because let
me see if I can just
John C Dvorak: do COVID Campbell
piece I liked a lot. I liked the
no agenda library card the
little
Adam Curry: stop. That's not
where you started. That's not at
all where you started.
John C Dvorak: Where did I
start? Okay.
Adam Curry: So you started with
the MEK. You started with the
alien. You wanted the aliens?
John C Dvorak: I started with a
with a sombrero a flying saucer
flying
Adam Curry: saucer, right. And I
said, well, a looks like AI. By
the way, almost everything looks
like aI these days. Everyone's
using it because it is it is.
And I said Adam Korean Johnson
of work is no little Mexican
dancing dudes. It's too small.
John C Dvorak: Course. That's
what you said. Because it is. I
agreed with that. The Mexican
dancer too small. Then I started
looking around and I went I
think it went to the card next.
Adam Curry: No, you went to the
quarantine camp signs.
John C Dvorak: Color the COVID
camp toxic shock.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And I was
like, that's kind of a played
out. No, no, I'm sorry. You're
right. You started with the
library. I love the library
card. I'm like, Dude, why if it
said 2008 on it, maybe.
John C Dvorak: But that was a
that was a kicker. That 2008
little gang. Yeah, I had to give
him
Adam Curry: one you did so and
then after I was correct about
two of these. You said urine and
nude. And what else did we argue
about? And then I would I
couldn't I
John C Dvorak: went to the camp
and you said dad at camp. And so
I
Adam Curry: think you're right.
I think that's that is what I
said about the camp.
John C Dvorak: And then there
was some different things you
want to do. Let's let's stop
there because you kept pushing
for the Nico's curry Divorce Act
Mexican guy jumping out of it. I
liked that one. Nyko Simes. Ven
go on pause. Yes. I
Adam Curry: liked that one.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: it's like,
Adam Curry: and then I didn't
and then as a compromise. I
tried to throw out the Canadian
Camp Fire by Matt Boisvert. And,
you know, which had showed a
fire.
John C Dvorak: Right? You You
came up with that? And I said,
What? No, you
Adam Curry: didn't you were
actually quite you said, yeah.
But you know, I see the maple
leaf but you don't see the fire.
And I and I conceded. And then
you said, Well, what about that
mockingbird thing? That then we
both looked at it. And we went
John C Dvorak: I was exasperated
at that point. And so I came up
with
Adam Curry: to go to the to the
stupid supermarket, the one with
all the ugly, the ugly produce.
You want it to leave, you're
done. You were done with me.
You're done with the show.
You're done with everybody.
That's not true.
John C Dvorak: And so, okay, so
we really looked at it. I looked
at it, we couldn't see anything
wrong with it.
Adam Curry: And that when you
even mentioned that it had the
little pride pride colors behind
it was nice
John C Dvorak: little pride
colors. That was a nice touch.
Adam Curry: Turns out to be one
of the better ones. I mean,
killer it really is. Who knew?
Who knew? Sometimes that's how
it goes. And I'm I am proud of
us for sticking with it. No one
rage quit. No, we stuck through
it.
John C Dvorak: But when you
really have issues, we end up
going into the archives. We
didn't know we didn't go to the
archive. Now we go to the
archives. Well, let's take see
what was submitted to Vince show
1100. Look at some pieces there.
Adam Curry: We got lucky we
didn't have to resort to the
evergreens.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the
evergreens which are a mess, by
the way,
Adam Curry: like no one wants
the evergreens to be pulled up.
So that's talent, and we thank
Francisco Scaramanga for
providing us with pure raw
talent. Great job. Thank you to
all the artists who diligently
for Vitus with choices please
back off on the AI people if you
can just see it change you can
see in the past few months you
can see is all AI even people
who are really good artists are
I think that they're putting
their their art into AI and say
hey slick this up a bit you know
what I mean? But it's everything
seems AI II to me AIA Am I Am I
wrong and seeing this change
John C Dvorak: I saw weeks ago
Yeah, okay. You're an artist? No
well I just saw a weeks ago good
I mean soon as this was comic
strip blogger gave up on the on
his butt drawings and started
submitting you know, things that
are 3d. It's kind of a giveaway.
Adam Curry: Once the asked when
to 3d, we knew it was all over.
That's how it goes people. Let's
talk about some treasure. We
have executive and Associate
Executive Producers just like
Hollywood, these are titles that
are Real you can use them
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with our top executive
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Dame Becky and Sir Mike from
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reason for this number
numerology counts. Happy
anniversary to us. We were
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John C Dvorak: Next on the list
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He didn't put donation on the
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in the next day, so we didn't
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Oh, you
Adam Curry: have a knighthood.
Good.
John C Dvorak: I have it. ITM
thanks for all you do. Is there
a simple note? Jim Bob way of
Shotzi land and Grand Duchess
she should be by now. Anyway,
Marianne Schneeberger she of the
healing hands. This worry will
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day. No, no jingles, no karma.
Adam Curry: Okay. Next is Jean
morphus in Bellingham,
Massachusetts. 34567. See
attached note which I have in
front of me. It is a it's not
just a note, it's two pages of
typed information on his own
classy letterhead, and we will
not read everything. However, he
says enclosed please find a
measure of value. Some reaction
to John's hypothesis that the
mafia conducted the JFK
assassination and the CIA was
powerless on the sidelines. It
is certainly possible if not
likely, that mobsters were the
triggerman in the USA in the
assassination. convicted felon
James files claims to have been
the shooter on the grassy knoll
and named Charles Nicoletti and
John Rosselli as associates, the
FBI investigated but some
concluded he wasn't reliable, of
course, had they concluded he
was reliable it would destroy
both the lone gunman and the
magic bullet arguments.
Connections between the Intel
agencies and the mob are widely
documented. However, the
gigantic cover up was certainly
the domain of Intel agencies. It
is equally likely likely that
CIA officers Allen Dulles and
Richard Helms were the
masterminds and it gives us
many, many points to back up his
his thesis. Yeah. And which I
don't think we have to go
through but they are all
perfect. They're all
interesting, all interesting,
and we appreciate that and we
will give him a double karma.
Just for the effort. Thank you.
Karma
John C Dvorak: and onward with
where are we? Oh, it Catherine
night. She's in Mesa, Arizona.
And she has a switcheroo. Oh,
all right. I have to get better
at his ITM. I previously
neglected to thank my son Billy
night. She is she's in with
33333 for hitting me in the
mouth. He qualifies as a
douchebag. But please credit
this donation to him. So he can
be dee doo dee doo. And he has
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and 919 Thank you for your
courage. Very
Adam Curry: nice. Thank you,
Sharon. Push NiaK St. Paul,
Minnesota 333 dot 33. One of our
famous favorite amounts. Good
day, Adam and John. I'm ashamed
to say I've been listening to
your podcast since the pandemic
began. And I haven't donated
till now. I'm sorry. I love the
show. It truly is the best
podcast in the universe. You
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there. It's nice to listen To
news and have a few laughs My
friend Sarah dame of the Lake
Mary gates introduced me to the
show and we chat and share
laughs about your shows and all
the valuable information they're
in. She called me out as a
douchebag a while ago and it's
about time I get d douche.
You've been de douche. I was
born and raised in Canada and
now living in the US. I love
hearing about all the crap going
down in Canada as well as the
US. What did you call Trudeau? A
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of items to mention whoever said
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voice needs to get a life. Oh,
you got it. We got a fan girl
here. And in your recent
donation segment the bit about
Obama's Dick was kind of funny.
It's okay to add something
useless and distasteful but a
bit funny. I was okay with it. I
had a good laugh. We're one for
one John one. I'd like to call
out my friend Joe Lena as a
douchebag no jingles no karma.
Just keep doing what you're
doing. Thank you for the laughs
and all your hard work behind
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out good thank you Sharon. We
appreciate those nice note very
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John C Dvorak: in King George
Virginia. Well, we are on our
way to another gorgeous meet up.
She oh you are I think she might
have had decided that today is
the day that we will claim our
first executive producer credit
as we walk hand in hand toward
the round table C and R in K G
Adam Curry: Oh nice. Okay. We
have sir CB checking in from
Harris, Minnesota 333 AC and JCD
greetings to all producers the
best podcast in the universe.
Thank you, John and Adam for the
best media deconstruction that
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Please title me Sir See me
Baronet of the builders. Can I
get a don't Raph and a massive
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enough.
John C Dvorak: Why are you
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up first. Jay's gonna step down
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birthday donations from my
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Thanks for all you do. Know
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Adam Curry: Relationship karma.
Here you go. You've got karma.
It's up next. Tara gray Lanagan,
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He's Associate Executive
producers. Hey, John and Adam in
the morning I'm setting this row
of ducks in honor of Jamie gray.
My smokin hot husband turns 50
On September 16. He hit me in
the mouth in 2020. And we
haven't stopped listening since.
As this is our first donation a
D douching. For him would be
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Unknown: You've been D deuced.
Adam Curry: I shall remain a
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Thank you for the amygdala
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that we really could seek refuge
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Did I say that? Was that I say
that they could seek refuge with
John C Dvorak: us if Yeah, you
did. Well, there you go.
Adam Curry: We have a guest room
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Fletcher what is I don't I don't
know a call to prayer from
Fletcher and this is a weird
one. I think
John C Dvorak: it's the one
where the where he's kind of
chanting this Ali Akbar. Okay,
well, I
Adam Curry: have that one.
Sunday service. Oh yes, I got
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from Sir Ohio bloke qualifies me
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We're almost done here with the
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listening to Episode 5091 I had
to drop everything and donate so
I can pitch it John. Now I'm
just a lowly industrial
engineer, but even I know that
hydrogen is an extremely viable
alternative for Coke and
steelmaking and damage. John,
you should too. I guess about
the clean steel that we were
talking about which has nothing
to do with this but he feels you
should have you should have
piped up and said dusting off
your college chemistry book.
Then be reminded that hydrogen
is also a very potent reducing
agent instead of giving off co2
like burning coal the byproduct
is pure water. Now what was he
the point was he was making is
that purified coal is used as a
reducing agent for removal of
impurities and pig iron. We
don't have to invoke any climate
change hysteria to agree on I
think he needs to do his own
podcast is what I'm thinking.
John C Dvorak: Ah, this has a
potential
Adam Curry: Yeah, he does. He
does I mean he has knowledge he
has knowledge but
John C Dvorak: you have to have
which is unlike most podcasters
Adam Curry: good point and his
point was that he was
disappointed that you didn't
pipe up and
John C Dvorak: nightly just
still making it's never been
something I've known that much
about
Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, we
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John C Dvorak: And finally, we
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Adam Curry: And we thank our
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John will take us through the
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Adam Curry: and she was shocked.
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from him earlier. As a switch
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It says work with solar but
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Adam Curry: we need boots on the
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, and
these are all the he's the
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Adam Curry: Well, he had to he
said he knew the Powerball
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here's 1% which is Aussie dollar
so
John C Dvorak: he's got a
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that concludes our list of well
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Yes, we do have quite the list
the number the first number
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birthday celebrating the 15th
his wife Robin today and his
second son Jesse who celebrates
on October sixth. Tara gray
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Sure Ohio bloke for son of a
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Unknown: don't want to be
introduced
Adam Curry: we have exactly one
little change but it's no small
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India Tango three three Mike,
they have a weird obsession with
goats. I'm expecting one to be
slaughtered later, it figured
out Obama's day this problem
You're all eating meat co2
emissions through the roof. They
keep calling me Mr. spook I
can't figure out why.
According to Mandor I'm not just
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Adam Curry: like a Dutch Dukes
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Welcome to
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Lincoln's Roadhouse.
This is Sir our Peter
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Sir Scott stay in dry.
This is Dennis I heard this
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all the way out from Wisconsin,
Jim from Denver in the morning
sir soothsayer here happy to
report the surprise beer is not
Bud Light. And we are out.
Thanks, everybody. No, thank
Adam Curry: you. And when you
have a meet up today,
Charlotte's first annual golfing
meetup kicked off this morning
and that is at the Charlotte
North Carolina tradition golf
club and then the flying saucer
drought dropped Imperium. So I
guess they're having a good
time. We'll find out hopefully
with a media report. Also the
33rd annual net for humanity
takes place today it's underway
at Duckworth grill and Taphouse
and Charlotte, North Carolina
the tribal summer September
summary review mirror meetup
also underway in Indianapolis.
You know the indie people are
all crazy blind our brewery and
the two hot Tucson meetup will
kick off this Thursday next show
day at four o'clock at canyons
crown in Tucson, Arizona. Oh,
that is Dane Beth who was
organizing and the sandy brigade
Third Thursday five o'clock
Idaho meet up at Selkirk Abby
post Idaho's fault and do not
miss the thirsty Third Thursday
meet up seven o'clock at Ed's
Tavern in Charlotte, North
Carolina. And finally on my list
until our next show day which is
Thursday on the 21st Totally not
a drug cartel or spoke meet
spooked meet up no not at all
Rosarito Beach Hotel in
Rosarito, Mexico, and that is
Sir Brian of London who was
hosting that he's he's one of
those guys who he's from Israel.
But somehow he's got a gig and
he helps people sail the yachts
around the world. And they're
sailing yachts catamarans and so
we saw
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I knew a
guy they used to do that.
Adam Curry: Well now you know
two of them. Sir Brian London is
my guest. So he's and he's a fun
guy. So if you are anywhere near
Rosarito, Mexico, go to the
Rosarita Beach Hotel on
September 21. And remember, no
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Unknown: sometimes you go hang
out with Dyson days you won't be
you say is like a party
Adam Curry: as usual, around
this time we look for and of
show ISOs which is another
another fine segment we already
got. I have three actually. I
don't know if they're those I
only have one here's my first
one.
Unknown: I know this. I don't
even know that
Adam Curry: there's this one.
No, I'm not a poor baby. I'm
more reptilian. Mamadi audio is
too bad. Who is that? That's
Pelosi saying she's a reptilian.
Oh, she
John C Dvorak: is reptilian?
Adam Curry: Did you hear that
whole clip that she says she's a
reptilian? Listen to this. You
know,
John C Dvorak: of course she's
gonna say that. But
Unknown: what baby? Yeah,
John C Dvorak: she's really,
really committed. No, I'm not a
poor baby. I'm more reptilian
will win the election, we're
gonna take a short
Adam Curry: break. And when
people tell you what they are,
you might as well believe them.
So but that's not a good idea.
So maybe this one. I
Unknown: also got the robes and
the leather and the rubber.
John C Dvorak: I only have one
answer, but it is a show Ender.
Adam Curry: It's a better Okay,
here we go. I tell you what,
we're great. Yep, that's the
one. No doubt about it. It's a
winner. It's a winner. Great.
It's a winner. It's a winner. I
want to do something. There's
this clip that I found from
Africa today because it's
obviously nearing the end of the
show. So might as well bring in
Africa for a moment. And it
reminded me of something that
that we've made just want to
talk about briefly. This is
about Mali, Niger and Burkina
Faso,
Unknown: the military leaders of
Mali, Burkina Faso and nee che
have signed a mutual defense
pact that binds the signatories
to assist one another, including
militarily in the event of an
attack on any one of them.
ministerial delegations from the
three silent countries announced
this in Mali's capital Bamako on
Saturday, Labor Party contract
that contract parties undertake
to combat all forms of terrorism
and organized crime. Common area
lines are less bas cama de la
cosa Dilip Takko Guma charter.
The pact establishes the
alliance of sales states. Yes,
Dilip Takko Guma region where
the Mali Burkina Faso amnesia
borders meet has been ravaged by
jihadism in recent years.
Everything starts with security.
The heads of states must also
think about economic issues, and
how to bring different countries
closer together and out to
facilitate trade between our
different populations. This
issues will be added to the
charter in the coming days from
a webinar. All three countries
have undergone coos since 2020,
most recently in Asia, West
African bloc, ECOWAS threatens
to intervene militarily, but
Mali and Burkina Faso quickly
responded by offering their
military support to niching.
Adam Curry: So what this
reminded me while of was it
because these these African
countries who've all had coos,
which is no coincidence, kind of
how World War One started with
the Conference of Berlin and I
don't know if I'm not really I'm
only just learning about this
because for some reason, this
was never in my head. Three
book. But the Conference of
Berlin was, was at the, like
1890. And all these, these
European countries got together
and said, hey, it's time to
divvy up Africa. And most
famously, King Leopold of
Belgium took over the whole
Congo and wiped everybody out
and wound up kind of winning
with all the valuable minerals
and resources. But, you know,
the all these, you know, the
Italians, the Dutch, the French,
the British, everybody had a
piece of, of Africa and this,
this Berlin conferences where
they, this really where they all
agreed to this to this division.
And I think the way I'm starting
to understand it now is that
Germany felt gypped they didn't
get they didn't get what they
should have. And that is, you
know, of course, with the shot
that was heard around the world
with the fair did on being shot,
that that kicked off World War
One, World War Two, I think
there's an argument to be made
that there was a lot of Africa
shenanigans involved in that as
well. And now I'm just thinking,
are we not focusing on the wrong
thing? You know, Ukraine,
although that may be where,
where we have the actual
fighting, starting, but in a
way, aren't we seeing all these
countries going into Africa
again, and trying to divvy it
up? But Africa? Maybe this time
pushing back with these types of
agreements amongst the three
code states? Does this ring true
in any of your history?
Knowledge, John? No. Nothing at
all. The Berlin conference, none
of that?
John C Dvorak: Well, I mean, I
know about all these things, but
I don't think that's the I think
what's going on today, if
Ukraine has anything to do with
it, it's as a conduit for moving
arms and ammunition to Africa.
Okay. Yes. As opposed to being
anything else.
Adam Curry: I guess what I'm
saying more is that, that Africa
has always been the resources of
Africa. There's always there's
too much goodies down there.
That's always been a source gold
diamonds, all kinds of rare
earths everything. Right. So
it's copper. It's always been US
uranium. It's always been a
source of argument amongst the
conquering nations mainly of
Europe.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, they
the way they see it, you have a
bunch of dummies in Africa, who
are just not qualified to
compete with the your, your
smart Europeans. Yes. And you so
you just take their stuff is a
bunch of
Adam Curry: bullies. Right. And
I think that now that African
they don't even
John C Dvorak: share with the
Africans, and they may think
African kids do all the work.
Yes. I think yeah, no, it's
pathetic.
Adam Curry: I think this is kind
of what's happening to Africans
have internet, like, Hey, hold
on a second.
John C Dvorak: Dutch, you know
that actually, now you're
talking? Yeah, that's a
possibility.
Adam Curry: The they have
something like,
John C Dvorak: they get the
phone, they get that little
phone carry around. And
Adam Curry: yeah, has 94%
penetration of 5g. I mean,
they're rockin and rollin down
there. Now, I'm thinking that,
you know, especially Mali,
Burkina Faso, Niger, we're like,
Hey, we got internet. Yeah,
we've been emailing you for
years. And now we're sick of
you. Stop coming here and taking
our goodies. Just felt I'm gonna
just trick I'm gonna stay on
this. I'm gonna see if I can
find some more evidence of the
second half a show. Oh, you
don't really show a favor.
You're racist. You just hate
black people and African. I
John C Dvorak: love the black
people, the black people. So I
have one last clip the
blockchain couple clips if you
want. We got some 20 I got to
play the, you know, I was trying
to get the Biden stuff to Biden,
Maryland speeches, just a gem of
gaffes, yelling and screaming.
He's coming close. But yeah, but
he didn't jack them up enough.
But there's still good stuff in
there. I just couldn't edit it
together. And then I got
distracted by another edit job.
I tried to do it. They have
Naomi Klein. It was on Democracy
Now. moaning and groaning she
has a new book called
doppelganger. It's about Naomi
Wolf. Yeah, it's about Naomi
Wolf being getting in or you
know, in a strike zone and
causing trouble. And I started
trying to edit some pieces from
it, and they ended up with Naomi
Klein, it can barely get away.
She's worse than Musk when it
comes to our AI and ai ai. And
so I couldn't do that. I was I'd
be there all day. So I but I do
have one little sub clip of
Biden, because this is only
because he yelled this out and
it's just one of these things
that Golf. I mean, I'll tell you
why after we play it
Unknown: for shores Community
College. Thanks for welcoming us
here today. As many of you know,
my wife is a professor at a
community college.
John C Dvorak: All right, y'all,
but he's a professor at a
community college. You're not a
professor in high school,
either. No. And by the ways that
now that you mentioned it or
not, I mentioned it. Why is she
working at all? Who are we
kidding with this? Yes. Oh,
yeah. She still works. She's
going to the community college
to give her speeches. I forget
what she's teaching anymore.
Adam Curry: Oh, please. No, I I
think that you know, this.
You're waiting for the speech
where Biden gets all jacked up
and says something weird,
John C Dvorak: massively jacked
up. Not? No, no. Well,
Adam Curry: I think it's coming.
No,
John C Dvorak: he says it's
coming. But it was a speech
Adam Curry: I got. Yes, he said,
and I know where it's going to
happen. Here is the teaser. The
United
Unknown: Nations General
Assembly holds its 78th annual
session the week of September
18. leaders from around the
world descending upon New York
for what's expected to be the
most interesting un GA since
before the pandemic, with the
focus on Russia's invasion of
Ukraine, Shadow diplomacy with
Iran and the increasingly tense
geostrategic divide between the
US and China. General debate
begins on Tuesday.
Adam Curry: All right, well,
this is where they're gonna jack
him up. And he's gonna
John C Dvorak: be right. Yeah,
he's gonna lie. No, it's good.
He said in his last speech in
Maryland, where he was the half
jacked half. He says he's got a
big speech coming up. That's the
one. And but he never said where
or what? And so this data would
be great. That's the place to do
it. Jack him up to the max. And
let him go. See what happens.
Adam Curry: You know, he's so
full of Ukraine. Maybe I got
that son of a man out something.
It would be great if he did
something like that. There. Wow.
I can't wait. I can't wait. We
this story has been out since
two weeks and we haven't talked
about it. I just like to play
this briefly. Well, briefly this
Unknown: morning, new details
about how hackers breached some
of the most recognizable hotels
on the Las Vegas Strip. In one
case, in just 10 minutes, they
figured out who worked at MGM
and decided to call into the IT
Helpdesk and pretend that they
were one of the existing
employees.
ABC News has learned a Russian
hacking network provided the
ransom were used to a group
known as scattered spider.
Reportedly based in the US and
Europe. MGM property computers,
including at the Bellagio and
MGM Grand went down Tuesday,
resulting in days of long check
in lines and casino machines off
line with reports of IOUs given
out to winners
check in procedure is kind of
messy a lot of long lines.
gamblings really messy. It's not
as fun when you have to wait.
The Financial Times reports the
hackers originally tried to
manipulate the slot machine
software, unsuccessful, they
then hack the resort systems in
exchange for money,
there's a good chance that
they're going to get paid
because they need to get those
operations back up and running
as soon as possible. They're
losing tremendous amounts of
money.
MGM says it is operational and
working diligently while
addressing individual guests
needs promptly. days earlier.
Hackers targeted Caesars Palace
compromising the hotel's loyalty
program data, including Social
Security and driver's license
numbers. Caesars paid the ransom
reportedly $15 million scattered
spider claims that access six
terabytes of data from both
Caesars and MGM experts warn all
big corporations are at risk for
similar hacks unless employees
are properly trained.
These were the IT professionals
that were fooled. These were the
this was the IT Helpdesk they've
alluded that this was an
outsourced vendor. But
nevertheless, it's always
education. It's never letting
your guard down.
Caesars is now offering identity
theft, protection and credit
monitoring services for those
affected and at MGM, it wasn't
just Las Vegas hotels affected
other properties nationwide were
also hit.
Adam Curry: So interesting that
the word not used here is
ransomware even though that's
exactly what it was. We have
boots on the ground, which I
will read. Indeed the breach
originated from the help desk
with credentials likely obtained
through phishing or social
engineering. Despite this being
preventable through methods like
two factor authentication, no
such measures measures were in
place. This started at the
corporate level. See that's a
little different from the report
that says oh, it started with
the with the slot machines. Now
let's start at the corporate
level made its way to all MGM
properties. Even those in Macau,
including in Vegas, Arya,
Bellagio, New York, New York
Cosmo Mandalay Bay MGM Park MGM
The list goes on. Upon
discovering the hack, which I
would say it was ransomware. MGM
took their systems offline
voluntarily. Hackers are
demanding over $100 million in
ransom. And of course, we didn't
even hear about the Caesars
incident. And Caesars reportedly
paid $30 million in ransom, and
managed to keep it under wraps
until now. According to our
boots on the ground, it's a
shitshow I'm currently working
on a project with corporate it
will be at least two weeks
before email was even restored.
And I love that it was first
China when this first came out
was China. And that now it's the
Russian group scattered spider.
Scattered spider scattered
spider who comes up with these
names. I don't know but these
guys
John C Dvorak: are making bank.
Yeah, and I'm surprised they
didn't go after those casinos
earlier.
Adam Curry: Well, they did.
Yeah, they went after I
John C Dvorak: mean earlier like
years ago, who knows? I mean,
this is true because the Caesars
thing was kept quiet. So as
possible it's like bankers you
know, they were Oh, we got
hacked. We lost the dollars
money don't say anything. And
then they hide it in their
financials with under some bogus
yo, line item. Wow.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. He's no
good. See, I have a debt. Oh,
yes. Oh, this wasn't this was
kind of important. Even though
the the Mexican aliens are off
the news desk that's done
because I don't think anyone was
fooled by that. But NASA did
come out as as as expected they
downplayed any UAPs UFOs. But
the important news got out NASA
Unknown: has released a highly
anticipated report on UFOs.
After a year long, independent
study and believers may be
disappointed. Scientists found
no evidence that any of the UFO
is documented had
extraterrestrial origins. But
looking forward, NASA has now
appointed a UFO research
director saying further study
will require new scientific
techniques like artificial
intelligence. Yeah, satellites.
Adam Curry: Out there. Advance
that more money more money for
NASA. Yeah, we need advanced
satellites. So we need Yeah, we
need that more money send us
more money is very dangerous.
Very dangerous. It could happen
could be real. We need we need
satellites. We need stuff.
Speaking of speaking of AI, this
was a very weird report from
France. 24. I see if I can find
this. But it kind of made sense
in the whole AI. Gambit. Let me
see. This is where it was this
now. It was Yes, here it is AI
regulation in Europe. Because of
course not just Chuck Schumer is
on this. But we heard Ursula
Queen Ursula talking about it.
But listen to this report.
Because not everyone is on
board. And it seems like they've
this may even give us a clue as
to what they're really trying to
do with AI.
Unknown: Now the European Union
is wasting no time to try and
regulate it. Absolutely. They're
well ahead. And we're now in try
logs for the AI act. So that's
the EU institutions hammering
out the details. And one
sticking point at the moment is
this idea of an a human rights
impact assessment that was put
forward by the European Human
Rights impact assessment. So the
idea is that those who deploy
high risk AI will have to fill a
impact assessment, saying what
risks their systems could have
to human rights. Now, the
campaign group of ours that
helped develop this proposal
saying it's necessary because of
cases like in the Netherlands,
where the police used AI to
profile children. And this led
to over 800 of them, of them
being wrongly wrongly registered
on their systems and even some
of them being taken to child
protection services. So a vos
says it's crucial, but says that
actually France is one of the
country's spearheading the
charge against these impact
assessments. Now the French
government hasn't responded to
this concern. What I can say is
over the in the UK, they're
taking a very different
approach. All eyes are on this
November summit at Bletchley
Park on the first and second of
November. Politico's written
that Rishi Sunak has done a bit
of an About turn from extolling
the economic promise of AI to
really being worried that it
could destroy us all. They say
he's been seduced by Silicon
Valley funded thinking tankers
who are kind of obsessed with
the idea of long term
existential risks. This is
certainly what Elon Musk is
worried about. And he of course,
signed that letter six months
ago, calling for a pause in AI.
Now the people that wrote that
letter, the future of Life
Institute, are saying, well, we
shouldn't be talking about risks
now and risks in the future. We
should look at it more like
climate change. It's a set of
new technology and it's a set of
risks that could do great harm
in the future but are already
already doing a lot of harm now,
Adam Curry: that would make
sense. make everyone believe and
Elon Musk is right up front.
That AI is just like climate
change and open the floodgates
of money go we have to do so
much to mitigate the dangers of
AI it's just like climate change
and you can even combine the two
I think that may be what these
guys are gunning for. Let's make
it just like climate change.
Yeah, why should we let all
those douchebags get all the
money? Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yeah, those guys
haven't done anything. Yeah, to
douchebags there's just this
climate thing. Just wheel
spinning let's do something new
Adam Curry: Yeah, well let's
let's get some of that sweet
sweet climate cash
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you might
be onto something there and you
know they're gonna rap I finally
got this kind of an interesting
clip. This is the the Whittemore
case is finally wrapping up
Adam Curry: oops.
John C Dvorak: Not SDI was more
scheme ends is finally ended in
just a few people got I don't
know I did. The whole thing was
a front for an FBI sting and
there was
Adam Curry: a house was a hoax
Unknown: in Michigan. A jury
today acquitted three men and
connection to Governor Gretchen
Whitmer is kidnapping plot. This
likely concludes the trial of
the kidnapping attempt that took
place in October 2020. Eric
Molitor, William Knoll and
Michael Knowles were each found
not guilty. Prosecutors allege
the men conducted surveillance
of the governor's vacation
cottage in the whole case.
Ultimately, nine men were
convicted or pleaded guilty in
the case and five were
acquitted. Authorities have said
the men were planning to kidnap
the governor from her vacation
home, but they were arrested
first. Some of the defendants
said that FBI undercover agents
coerce them to drive the plot
forward.
Adam Curry: Yeah, finally,
although
John C Dvorak: inconclusive,
years later, this thing took
forever to resolve. Well,
Adam Curry: of course, we can't
have anyone actually hearing
about this news because then it
would show the FBI has a cycle
and they do and they did this to
incriminate Trump voters. And
that in their white supremacist
and they're horrible people and
Whitmore was trying to raise her
profile by this phony baloney
kidnapping scandal. And now it
just has to fizzle out in the
mainstream can't can't really
admit it as they do it. And now
they fell for it. They fell for
it hook line and sinker as
usual.
John C Dvorak: They fell for jet
Jesse smol. Let's cock and bull
story. Yeah, it was three in the
morning. It was freezing out and
so Maga guys with the Magga hats
came out with a noose.
Adam Curry: Yeah, and
eventually, maybe three, four
years from now we'll hear about
January 6 being phony. Laura
Logan, by the way, coming out
with a documentary I think it
out already. I think maybe it
will maybe next Thursday, about
January 6.
John C Dvorak: So what does she
conclude?
Adam Curry: Oh, there was all
this. She? She did. I sat
through almost half of an
interview she did with Stu
Peters. Oh, this guy
John C Dvorak: depths to Peters
is a good one.
Adam Curry: She was interesting.
She said, Oh, no. Ray Epps was
not FBI says Oh, no. Every
single agency had shills in that
in that it did J six she says
Defense, Homeland Security. She
has like eight different
agencies who said that all had
shills walking around trying to
get the I have to watch the
documentary but it sounds like
she's saying that that this was
so coordinated that everybody
was in on it. And she's she's a
pretty good journalist. So yeah,
she
John C Dvorak: is. And it makes
sense because you know, Nancy
Pelosi refused to bring the
troops in and there's the whole
thing was a scam. Yeah, but it's
a good talking point for the
Democrats. January 6,
Adam Curry: yeah, but let's do
Peters. Really. That guy have
creeped me out. I don't know
what is about him.
John C Dvorak: I haven't seen
his stuff for at least two or
three years.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, he's he's
active. He's very active. I
guess maybe we need to talk
about this one little thing.
Before we go up fair warning,
Unknown: elitist voices of
America. This is NPR
or PBS,
the United Auto Workers are
testing their strengths with a
strike. And Paris Camilla domino
ski joins us. Camila. Thanks for
being with us. Happy to be here.
Stan. What's had been like what
have you seen?
Yeah, I mean, I talked to
executives at the Detroit Auto
Show. I went out and spoke to
people on picket lines. Since
pitch blackness, there's one
image from this week. I'll never
forget. There were two events
right next to each other in
downtown Detroit last night. One
was a big UAW rally. Bernie
Sanders spoke huge emphasis on
the vast and growing gulf
between the haves and the have
nots in America. And then,
literally next door, Scott,
there was a glitzy charity event
at the Auto Show $400 ahead for
a ticket people dressed to the
nines and floor length gowns
with drinks walking around the
cars, and right outside red t
shirt and people in the streets
with with picket signs, just
separated by some glass and
mounted police officers.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's
fascinating.
Adam Curry: Bernie Sanders got
no play on that that he was out
there. I didn't see I have
John C Dvorak: a clip. I have a
UAW clip too. We should probably
talk at least one minute about
this before we leave. Sure. You
want to make sure
Unknown: the first ever strike
against Detroit three largest
automakers at the same time is
taking place right now.
President Joe Biden today siding
with the union and a strike that
could affect the nation's
economy. NTDs Aryan Power Star
has the details.
The United Auto Workers or UAW
started the first ever
simultaneous strike against
Detroit's three largest
automakers on Friday. The
union's President made the
announcement shortly before
midnight, which is when the
contracts between automakers and
workers expired. For the first
time in our history. We will
strike all three of the big
three at once. We are using a
new strategy,
the stand up strike,
the Union wants 40% pay raises
to compensate for soaring
inflation. automakers, which
include General Motors, Ford and
the Lantis offered up to 20%
phased in over several years,
the union declined. President
Biden on Friday siding with the
union.
auto companies have see record
profits, including the last few
years because of extraordinary
skill and sacrifices the UAW
workers, but those record
profits have not been shared
fairly, in my view, with those
workers record corporate
profits, which they have, should
be shared by record contracts
for the UAW,
Biden sent two of his top aides
to Detroit to get involved in
the negotiations. The President
and CEO of the US Chamber of
Commerce said in a statement on
Friday that the UAW strike, and
indeed the summer of strikes, is
the natural result of the Biden
administration's whole of
government approach to promoting
unionization at all costs. A
long strike threatens to spread
economic turmoil. General Motors
CEO Mary Barra says the strike
could harm employees, their
families and even the US
economy, saying for every
General Motors job, there are
six other jobs in the economy
that depend on us running. So
Adam Curry: I've heard both
sides of this. And I think the
UA the workers make a valid
point like hey, man, 2008 2009
We, we gave you all this stuff.
And we didn't take you know, we
helped in the great recession.
And then we want it back in and
you know, our jobs used to be
good, bad and union jobs that
now we can't even get by because
of inflation, which I'm sure is
true. They've got a valid point.
Then on the other side, it's all
political unions are the most
political organizations we have
probably in the United States
and I think they're, they may be
out to this may be a ploy to
also bring down Biden.
John C Dvorak: I think it's a
ploy to bring down Biden.
Adam Curry: You want to hear NBC
actually, I think they they
solidify that point is short
report.
Unknown: And there is a lot of
political fallout from this
unprecedented strike. We just
heard from President Biden with
his eye on 2024. He's trying to
walk a fine line between
supporting the workers and
limiting the impact on the
economy. Kelly O'Donnell is at
the White House with more
with an auto strike politics
always has a seat at the table
should please stay at the table.
As long as you can to try to
work this out.
President Biden caught squarely
in the cross currents backing
unions is in the DNA of his
political brand.
I'm proud to be the most pro
union president and most pro
union president. I'd be the most
pro union president American
history
today saying strong unions are
good for the economy.
Auto Workers helped create
America's middle class. They
deserve a contract that sustains
them in the middle class.
But his climate agenda also puts
him behind the wheel of electric
vehicles, touting American
automakers investment to move
away from fossil fuels.
Kelly also looming over all this
as the UAW is endorsement.
A labor endorsement the
president wants very much much,
but has not yet secured so he
has a stake in this to the White
House says he wants a good
outcome for everyone. While he
was clear today, Lester, that
workers deserve more when
carmakers profits have gone up.
Adam Curry: Yeah. It seems to be
hitting Joe. Right, right. Where
his right where it counts for
him?
John C Dvorak: Well, what's
gonna happen if this strike goes
more than two weeks? It's going
to affect it's going to create a
mini recession that's going to
be blamed on Biden
Adam Curry: a mini recession.
What are we now? What are we
John C Dvorak: not in
technically a recession at all.
But whatever the case is
Adam Curry: discussed, isn't two
negative quarters, technically
recession.
John C Dvorak: We don't have two
negative quarters. As far as I
know,
Adam Curry: I thought we had
them. We already had two
negative quarters a couple of
quarters ago, maybe okay, it's
no longer that
John C Dvorak: whatever the case
is going to be noticeable.
Because these recessions have
not necessarily been noticeable.
Gas prices, everything that
people are bitching and moaning
about the price of chicken. Beef
is overpriced. I have to say
that to me was 650 a pound at
Costco of all places for Chuck.
Chuck is too expensive. It
should not be seven bucks a
pound. But anyway, the point is,
is that this is gonna get blamed
on Biden because he hasn't done
anything about inflation and
he's just got to spend more
money this is being targeted.
They don't want him running
again. And he got to do
something about it. They're
going to try pull everything
out. I mean, half the Democrats
do want him again, because well,
he beat he beat Trump for square
Adam Curry: is their their
conundrum is they don't want
camera, that'll be the worst
thing they can think of. So they
don't want to kill him.
John C Dvorak: No, they don't
want to kill him. They don't
want cows. They gotta just have
him reason. So I think the best
bet is the fight is the is the
impeachment bet. Create enough
of this of the evidence, bring
it out there and get get his
party people like wouldn't have
done with Nixon. Yeah. To take
him aside and say, Look, this is
good. This is a distraction.
This is not good for the party.
There's too much going on here.
You're gonna get yourself in
trouble. This is you know, we
don't need this aggravation. We
don't even want you to be
impeached resign, which is what
they did to Nixon Democrat or
me. Sorry, the Republicans did
that to Nixon. They took him
aside and told him to resign.
And he did.
Adam Curry: Yeah. But he's so
nuts. Well, they gotta Jack him
up. He's got to make a big faux
pas now it's gotta be apparent
even
John C Dvorak: came up. Oh, man.
I'm just yeah, if you Jack him
up and let him loose with a
press conference. That could be
a real issue.
Adam Curry: It would be great
for the show, because he's
John C Dvorak: poking at people
calling them Jack.
Adam Curry: Hey, Jack, I'm all
jacked up. Ukraine. What Hunter?
Bo is dead, something like that.
John C Dvorak: So after they
boot him out, they really don't
have any other choices like like
the reporter said in that
earlier clip. It's gotta be
Gavin Newsom who is really
unlikable nationally, I mean,
California has you know, we get
rigged election so he gets an
easy enough. If you want to play
one last step. I do have the
clip about the family this is
you have to look this one up,
but I've been keeping it around.
Okay. It's about the California
political families that run
everything. And it is. The four
is looking though.
Adam Curry: We've played this,
haven't we? But it was
John C Dvorak: years ago. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's good. I haven't
I haven't haven't listened is
the no agenda show, baby. We got
it on tap.
Unknown: Pat Brown's father.
Admin Joseph Brown, was known
for running scams and gambling
operations in San Francisco.
With the help of businessman
William Newsom, the second, Pat
Brown became governor of
California for two terms. During
his governorship, he awarded the
Squaw Valley concession contract
to William Newsom, the third and
his partner John Pelosi. The
deal was criticized for the
state of California paying for
everything and getting nothing.
William Newsom, the third grew
up with the governor son Jerry,
who was training to be a Jesuit
priest. John Pelosi son Paul
married Nancy DLs Sondra,
daughter of Thomas D Alessandro,
Jr. who is known for smuggling
heroin into the US with Lucky
Luciano in the Baltimore mafia.
John Pelosi son Ron married
William Newsom, his daughter
Barbara Over ongoing disputes
about the Squaw Valley
concession William Newsom senior
threatened to hurt the governor
politically, just as Governor
Brown was running for a third
term against Ronald Reagan. He
lost. But eight years later, the
former governors Jesuit son
Jerry reclaims the governorship
in 1974. He appointed William
Newsom The third to a place or
county judge ship in 1975. And
three years later, to the state
court of appeal. William Newsom
was an attorney for oil magnate
Jay Paul Getty, named in the
1966 Guinness Book of World
Records as the world's richest
private citizen. And while
serving on the appellate bench
in the 1980s, he helped get his
son Gordon, secure a change in
state trust law that allowed him
to claim his share of a multi
hair trust. After Newsom retired
from the bench, he became
administrator of the Getty trust
and providing seed money for his
son Gavin Newsom. Nancy Pelosi,
his nephew just start the
plumpjack business that led to a
career in San Francisco
politics. As mayor of San
Francisco, and Lieutenant
Governor of the State of
California. Gavin Newsom was
informally adopted by the Gettys
after His parents divorced and
recently succeeded family friend
Jerry Brown, to be the current
governor of California. For 80
years, these four families have
ruled over the state of
California politically,
Adam Curry: it's called our
democracy
John C Dvorak: at work that's
what it's called Democracy at
Work as right
Adam Curry: and the bushes you
know, they don't rule California
where they unsuccessfully tried
to get Ken Paxton out because
George P Bush was all upset.
It's these cartels of families
and let's throw the carries in
there. Let's throw Mitt Romney
in there Kennedys the Kennedys
let's throw them all in there
with this is what we need to
wake up to in America and I'm
sure the same happens in every
in every other country in
John C Dvorak: the world. Yeah.
Democracy
Adam Curry: democracy that's
right everybody. That's your
democracy at work okay. We
should start every show off with
that clip just to remind us
John C Dvorak: that's a great
clip and it's good all right
everybody that
Adam Curry: is our
deconstruction now you
understand the world is very
small, just a small bunch of
douchebags not that hard to
understand. We just get
distracted by you know, by all
kinds of stuff. But not you you
belong to get mo nation no
agenda nation knows better. You
know the truth. And you got it
with a smile. And we have end of
show mixes coming up from DS
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Region number six. In the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley, where I remain
I'm John C. Dvorak.
Adam Curry: We're getting ready
for that jacked up Joe. until
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Unknown: a cbdc. As you know,
share this with your friends,
neighbors and colleagues, you
got to wake people up. It is a
totalitarian system of total
control, tracking and tracing.
And if they don't like your
politics, or your speech or your
viewpoint, they don't like here,
if they don't like the fact that
you have a automobile powered by
gas and you refuse to turn it
in, they'll just turn you off,
they'll turn off your chip,
they'll turn off your system and
turn off the CBBC they will cut
you out of the system. So to
that degree, it really is
biblical.
It's the beast system no man
shall buy or sell without taking
the bar.
I said when children are left to
the devices, but what do parents
do? Except give them more to
fight the fear for democracy
more than ever, so private that
the information is confidential
outside of searches of infection
who's to blame under vaccinated
but not under vaccinated? I've
even had geo located data track
and trace not informed citizens
run in place they can't be paid
150 An hour during the pandemic.
We'll start by making money on
zoom from afar towel guard, like
a therapist tell you the secret
to a stranger sad, the bad guy
returned in every room and you
were danger. Tell your secrets
to a stranger. What else? Do I
says the Lone Ranger? Shout out
to that guy returning in every
permit to what danger
Adam Curry: it's so utopian is
fantastic. We're gonna build
walkable neighborhoods and new
paths to home to home ownership,
downpayment assistance programs
and other solutions. These guys
are there saints just to set
everybody in the right tone,
mass do not stop you from
getting or spreading flu cold or
COVID. COVID is not a killer
virus. Pam RNA is not a vaccine.
It's an experimental gene
tinkering thing. There are only
men and women to spirit and non
binary are not genders.
Librarians used to be hot, not
ugly with green hair. There is
no LGBTQ community. There's no
black community. The world is
not overpopulated. There's no
structural wage difference
between men and women in the
workplace. All politics is
theater. The US president is not
the king the emperor or your
daddy who's going to save you if
you want to speak to your real
father talk to God. All
advertising based media is
dishonest at best unlikely
propaganda and climate change
initiatives are a huge money
making global scam
Unknown: Taco Bell branded me
Don't talk about brand Dan. It
was election time. economy was
booming. Andrew was in a cloud
sky
doubt in the sky
scam begin science you Dynastar
your My sorry my son go random
to six feet up.
That's what they tell you.
wear a mask alone in your car.
That's freaking crazy. No
question what the experts say is
get back to you slaves.
We don't talk we don't talk
obvious to see when it's done. I
can always hear muttering a
mumbling I associated with the
sound goal you know this you
know the thing she takes heavy
snips of the kid to the
frightening always also was
supposed to be speaking
grappling with words that no one
understands
not a joke think about a four
year term creep
sewn house last a build bag
sow was from this Best Buy
two
years they say it's for your
health. What have we got to show
Pfizer's got the wealth.
Economies crap. You can bank if
this is normal now. We're gonna
need some serious help. But who
gets save us? I don't know,
buddy, but I'm really scared.
Could the government help pay?
Yeah, they could just print up
some more
money. Isn't that inflation?
That's just paper.
Thanks Brandon.
You want to six feet in
the ground? Not what they tell.
Mascot up in your card freaking
crazy triple jab right in your
arm. How are they still
positive
ground shower bag yourself. Li
Li Oh Taco Bell brand and I
agree.
Adam Curry: MoPhO
Unknown: boruch.org/and
I tell you what, we're great.