September 6th, 2018 • 3h 3m
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Adam curry
Jhansi Devorah 18 this is your
award-winning Gitmo nation media
assassination episode 1066 this
is no
agenda northern Silicon Valley
where the
Zephyr actually hugged its horn
today
I'm John Steed Evora well you
gotta
think by now that the guys on
the Zephyr
know about you and they and
they and
they've triangulated you by now
surely
oh by the way we did the
Sacramento
meetup there was a good one of
the
conductor's was out in front of
the
station to say hi yeah because
he and we
have exclusive audio of that
event I
mean you know is there a foamer
podcast
this should be hell yeah and
usually
most most most of the former
stuff is on
our FDR rfd-tv
which is a cable station and
they play
these these unbelievably long
videos of
one train just going through
you know
going here and there just keep
following
it it's just unbelievably dull
I think
it would be interesting I would
certainly listen to it
especially if you
know they had guests on who
brought
their own favorite train clips
and and
have it really high-quality you
know not
just a 96 kilohertz sample you
know do
like 192 or do three three
hundred plus
and really have the binaural
sound of
the train going by that I would
listen
to yeah but did you can't
listen to that
for too long it's a very short
podcast
oh yeah maybe a 10 minute
podcast listen
to a bunch of horns anyway it
was busy
man and finally some stuff to
watch on
c-span and finally some stuff
to watch on
sadly at the same time oh my
good and I
looked at the clip list today
like oh
this is fantastic
we have almost no overlap you
did the
Supreme Court mainly Cavanaugh
and I
mainly did the I have one clip
from that
and I mainly did the the what
was the
exact title of it it was a
foreign
influence and social media with
Sandberg
and Dorsey oh yeah I wanted to
watch
that I didn't
that's more interesting watch
these guys
screaming at job I watched that
whole
opening and like oh really it's
just
another scripted shit show it's
like I
don't need to see that although
it's
entertaining the day before the
first
day like okay and doing that
and then
the second day they did it
again one do
you want to get into it now
first you
one just want to hear how we're
all
gonna die just to set the mood
for the
show well I decided with the I
think we
can tease the Supreme Court
with this is
my Supreme Court hearing out of
control
moment this is the way the
whole first
day went wait out of control
moment got
it yes here we go Airmen to
serve a
justice mr. Chairman I before
we proceed
mr. chairman I'd like to be
recognized
to ask a question before we
proceed the
committee received just last
night less
than 15 hours ago in pages of
dot and
this is Kamla Harris from
California or
as they do on c-span radio
review or
read or analyze you are you're
out of
order I'll proceed we cannot
possibly
move forward there are two
daughters mr.
chairman or another Harris mr.
chairman
revenues 40 law clubs and
documents that
we have everyone else join me
tonight
and we believe this hearing
should no
that's not an exciting day for
all of
you I you know I don't
understand why he
brought his two daughters that
the whole
day was an embarrassment for
them they
were sitting there and they're
pretty
frocks with mom and mom looks
like she's
about to kill someone yeah I
mean it was
it was it's not the most
important part
of the story but I just felt
bad like
yeah dude what you knew this
was gonna
happen dude what you knew this
was gonna
are you an idiot don't bring
your kids
to this just gonna suck
and then the all the
coordinated oh we
haven't seen the documents
forty-eight
million documents well the
thing that
was funny about it is that and
and one
of the guys called out the
group one of
the new I can't or don't have
his name I
got haven't Billy rice
ourselves the
freshman from the freshmen
class it's
one of the new guys on the on
the
committee he's not deal he's
not John
Kennedy the old the old fart
that's a
new guy but a younger guy yeah
and he he
says I'm looking at a tweet
right here
from Chuck Schumer he's telling
all the
Democrats to stall do anything
they can
to postpone these hearings he
said what
you guys are doing over there
he kept
bringing tweets apparently was
watching
his phone the whole time during
the all
the hearings of course and then
one of
them pointed out in which I
think should
have been pointed out more was
the
Democrats before the hearings
all said
we're voting no no matter what
uh-huh
well if you're voting no no
matter what
if what do you care about the
documents
coming in late or whatever
you're voting
no well exactly I mean I don't
come in
like well I presume that they
tried to
maybe somehow convince one or
two
Republicans to vote against him
and that
way I mean what I heard what I
heard the
big head the big Talking Heads
talking
about on cable news was and I
actually
it was so long ago is beginning
the week
I didn't think he would look
and clip it
well how come you guys didn't
walk away
you know and there was the kind
of this
push from the media like you
guys should
walk out you should walk out
really good
walk away
just walk out of that just to
fuck up
and be that was like well we
don't
really want to do that because
then we
really lose all the power so
there was
kind of that discussion and I
think they
really thought well maybe we can
convince one or two guys shame
him into
it with the coordinated people
in the
audience standing up every 10
minutes ah
it was there was there somebody
standing
up and leaving everything it
was the did
one would get out they get
kicked out
then another one another one
they're all
screaming and there's a
high-pitched
voice yeah I have a bunch of
short
little guys if you want to hear
oh yeah
web your T's has become the
segment so
let's let's move right through
it I'm
liking what I'm hearing
all right so let's go with a
couple a
little blood have we even
talked to what
this is about that this is the
confirmation hearing of the
idea to
mention it yes so this is judge
Cavanaugh who Trump nammed as
well I
think he appoints him and then
he has to
be confirmed
nothing is nomination okay and
now it
has to go through the Senate
and Senate
has to it's just a straight
straight
majority I think for this yeah
yeah just
so 51 first let's get out of
this
committee oh yeah okay yes a
complicated
process yet this is still the
committee
yeah this is the committee and
then
where's it go then he goes to
the devote
for the everyone gets to vote
on okay I
got it so what's the what's the
make of
the committee and what do they
have a
vote or that just someone says
hey nice
chat and yeah how does that
work well
how many Republicans how many
Democrats
on there's one more Republican
it's it's
all show right let's just agree
it's a
big show it's grandstanding
it's a show
okay hey camel toe Harris was
back and
forth between this one and
between the
social media the image they
were busy
well here's here's a classic
example of
Camilla Harris this is a short
clip i
will be playing of course very
close
attention to your testimony and
I think
you know the American public
will be
paying very close attention to
your
testimony you and I are paying
some
attention but nobody and then
Lindsey
Graham of course had a couple
of good
points he kind of point out
what you
just said a second ago didn't
play the
Lindsey Graham hypocrisy clip
to my
colleagues on those I look
forward to
working with you but we have a
different
view here I think you got to be
blind as
to what's going on here have
you heard
of Justice Breyer do you know
him you
can't say anything I guess
where did he
come from
he was Ted Kennedy's Senate Jew
sherry where do you think
Republicans
are gonna go find the judge the
whole
argument is you can be a
conservative
Republican president but you
got to
nominate a liberal to be fair
to the
country a liberal to be fair to
the
that's absurd what do you think
Ruth
Bader Ginsburg came problem
choose the general counsel they
see oh
you wonderful person what
groups do
y'all use to pick from this is
shaping
up to be the hypocrisy hearing
and
that's hard to do in the Senate
Lindsay
is real it's like the it's like
one
testicle dropped on the guy
well there
was this incident that was I
don't
there's no clip of it I saw
this I saw
the video at the funeral McCain
funeral
yeah oh yes explaining this
really good
well Lindsey Graham was there
and all of
a sudden luma Abidine comes
running a
beeline beeline through the
crowd
yeah beeline through the crowd
gives him
a big hug and the Yankee kick
and a
couple sorority sisters and
meanwhile
John Kelly yeah Kelly and
mattis were
both there and I think it was
mattis at
first spotted him and they - he
looked
around and he said what were
these two
doing and then by the way
Lindsey Graham
was doing kind of that I'm at
the
funeral and no one wants to
talk to me
after Abidine left that's what
happened
and then Kelly's turns running
I didn't
realize how tall that guy is
yeah little
menacing actually he brought
got to be
able to stand up to trump
because he's
at least the same height right
and he's
stand-in there and then all of
a sudden
he's just starts staring at
Lindsey and
with a real like a stare like
what the
wood is that you're up to
staring at him
and grandmas no they're not
noticing
that he looks at him suddenly he
sketches his eye and he's like
yeah and
then Kelly gives him some sort
of a song
well it looks a little it was
yes at
first like yeah it looks like
he's
giving cuz he's basically
touching his
his the bottom underneath his
eye with
his index finger but it's the
other side
of his nose than the cameras
position
and it could also have been
just I got
some crud in my eye on all
Lindsey Graham but it could
have been a
signal like I got my eye on you
yeah
that's what I thought and so
then after
that Lindsey becomes just great
apologist for Trump at these
hearings
only one testicle dropped
autumn not
both just one he was doing is
the best
job of all the people there he
fries but
there's something something's
up with
that guy let's see what kind of
hashtag
meet me two moment we can have
what
Lindsey Graham wouldn't that be
great so
this is his little very short
comment
about election this is a second
clip
from him you had a chance and
you lost
if you want to pick judges from
your way
of thinking then you better win
an
election that's what I'm
telling you
Lindsey's got a little ballsy
call on
the side like I like this
Lindsey just
you know his dad died okay this
with his
monstas dad but McCain small
interjection we make jokes like
this and
the other night actually
regretted we've
made a lot of jokes about Ruth
Bader
Ginsburg house falls asleep
yeah she's
funny just look at her she's
funny and
she looks funny and I saw the
documentary about her oh I've
respect
for this woman she's still
fantastically
in fact she is very humorous
but I felt
like oh man I've been laughing
at her
without really knowing her
whole story
her whole story is pretty
outrageously
cool okay just as an inter when
we laugh
about oh I'm just saying that's
my
conscious I just need to get it
off my
chest now back to laughing
about Lindsey
Graham and his little testicle
so
Feinstein comes out and she said
something that I think she
wanted to say
one thing and she kind of
drifted off
and said something else and if
you
listen listen to the structure
of what
she's trying to say I think she
wanted
to say that she wants she says
the
country is do
she's a diversity not the
country's
diverse and we should have a
more I
think she was saying we don't
want to
put another white guy in the in
the
Supreme Court she never
actually said
that but I think that's what
she wanted
to say mhm and in a roundabout
way
behind the noise is really a
very
sincere belief that it is so
important
to keep in this country which is
multi-ethnic multi-religious
multi-ethnic recei and that's
my worry
that's my worry so I look
forward to
your statement and answering the
questions Thank You mr. chairman
yeah and I have two clips that
I need to
play here before you go mm-hmm
what is
multi economic mean multi-ethnic
multi-religious multi-ethnic
what does
that mean it means we have rich
people
and very poor people Multi
economic so
we need we need a homeless
person it
seems to me where Nixon says
somebody
needs to represent the mediocre
no core
said that yeah I believe it was
Nixon I
think people gonna look into
this be
crazy he was being crude
condemned for
picking somebody who is
mediocre so
there's a lot of mediocre a
diamond
paraphrasing a lot of video
copy which
is kind of what Feinstein just
said
there's a lot of mediocre
people in the
country so they need to be
represented
with a mediocre justice oh man
you want
to hear the flub of the week
real quick
yeah this is uh John Kasich and
he was
and he was talking on the big
head Cuomo
kid show on CNN look I learned
early on
in my job when I had a fight
with the
unions that and sometimes you
have to
fight and stand tough but if
you do it
all the time it's distracting
you can't
achieve your bigger purposes
and it's
not about some
you know it's not about I win
you lose
the other thing is when you
look at the
Congress though it's it's like
24 hours
since John McCain was put to
death and
look at this the circus of a
hearing
that's going on 24 hours since
John
McCain was put to death I know
I'm
actually cried the first time I
heard it
good lord thank you for making
the show
this is a good thirty seconds
worth of
conversation of will extend it
even it's
like 24 hours since John McCain
was put
to death cold cold cold cold
yeah person not hear that at
that moment
if the people were listening
that do
these shows they're actually
listening
to the other person talk yeah
you know
he wasn't put to death let's
make that
clear not that we know not that
we're
aware of but that's what we
just say
yeah but they wouldn't say that
but they
should they would correct him
yes all
right can I can I go into
Feinstein you
have a point I probably
interrupt your
whole point about it no the
Feinstein
thing I think I've got a card
essentially what's diversity so
we
should have you know should
have an
ethnic another ethnic on the
even though
we're already at the max it
seems I mean
they have how many people were
Jewish on
the Supreme Court three maybe
I think that's think they're
over-represented we need
pastafarians on
there why doesn't she
bitch about that
she's not a Pastafarian well
she's
Jewish okay they just find that
I just
want to get a couple of living
at this
out of the way and then you
know this is
about Feinstein doctor
questioning
that's why I inserted it here
yes what
I'd really only saw the the
beginning
because I was going back to the
social
Nets thing and I see Feinstein
trying to
you know trick Cavanaugh into
this
conversation about you know I
guess in
93 her office wrote the assault
weapons
ban which of course had a
sunset clause
after ten years and they had a
review
and said well it didn't do a
damn bit of
good so we don't have to renew
it just
so you know historical context
but you
know she was asking about an
opinion he
wrote and the guy wrote a lot of
opinions about the the reason
that you
could have an assault weapon
legally is
because they were not unusual
they were
there there's millions of them
and then
she tries to get him into a
debate of
well does that mean that these
millions
are used or they're just in the
closet
it's not the same thing yeah
she's
trying to relitigate the Second
Amendment pretty much it's like
a moron
wasting everybody's time and
everyone
could see you could see I mean
even I
see this coming from a mile
away it's
like are you really gonna try
this so
instead of playing that let's
listen to
NPR's report they spend about
seven
seconds on it guns abortion the
scope of
presidential power all issues
being put
to Supreme Court nominee Brett
Kavanaugh
today this is the second day of
his
confirmation hearings and the
first
chance for senators on the
Judiciary
Committee to question him in
public in a
moment we'll hear from one of
those
senators first NPR legal affairs
correspondent Nina Totenberg
joins us to
walk through some of the
nominees
responses today hi Nina
hi let's begin with guns has a
reputation as being a very
pro-gun
rudosch how was he dressed on
that today
well as a judge Kavanagh has
staked out
a starkly different position
for most
lower court judges on gun rights
disagreeing even with fellow
conservatives most notably he
dissented
when his court upheld the
District of
Columbia statute banning
assault weapons
and ammunition magazines of
more than
ten bullets today questioned by
Senator
Dianne Feinstein he maintained
that
under the
situation and Supreme Court
precedent
only unusual weapons can be
regulated
and semi-automatic assault
rifles are
not unusual they're in common
use let's
take a listen to the exchange
you're
saying the numbers determine
common use
they're widely possessed in the
United
States Senator beyond guns he
was also
asked about abortion and we know
President Trump promised to
name someone
to the court who would overturn
Roe vs.
Wade what did Kavanagh have to
say now
when I heard that I thought
wait a
minute did he say that the
president we
know the president said he
would appoint
someone who would overturn Roe
versus
Wade who would overturn Roe
versus
yeah so he said
I don't know if the president
said that
well and if he did by the way
let's stop
right here because we've
listened to
these media guys long enough if
the
president ever said that mm-hmm
they would play the clip so I
went and
got the only clip that I think
comes
close to what the claim is here
and
you're right they would have
had the
clip they don't because he's oh
let's
just start with everybody out
there
listening to this because we've
noticed
this over the last year if
there is a
moment where Trump said
something that
they're making an assertion
about
they're either gonna lie about
it and
play a different clip or
they're gonna
play Trump saying it they did
not play
Trump saying it that means he
didn't say
it or we'll see what he did say
cuz you
have the clip okay so again
here's NPR
NPR your National Public Radio
state
senator beyond guns he was also
asked
about abortion and we know
President
Trump promised to name someone
to the
court who would overturn Roe
vs. Wade
what did Kevin I'll have to say
now
let's listen to what the
president
actually said this is from the
final
debate against Hillary Clinton
and do
have a date on this and it
doesn't
matter mr. Trump you're
pro-life but I
want to ask you specifically do
you want
the court including the
justices that
you will name to overturn roe v
wade
which includes in fact states a
woman's
right to abortion well if that
would
happen because I am pro-life
and I will
be appointing pro-life judges I
would
think that that will go back to
the
individual states but I'm
asking you
specifically would you like they
overturned it'll go back to the
states
what I'm asking you sir is do
you want
to see the court overturn
you've just
said you want to see the court
protect
the Second Amendment
do you want to see the court
overturn
well if we put another two or
perhaps
three justices on that's really
what's
going to be has that's will
happen and
that'll happen automatically in
my
opinion because I am putting
pro-life
and justices on the court I
will say
this it will go back to the
states and
the states will then make a
determination there you go he
didn't say
it no he's
he said something really
weaselly but
yeah news reporting we have we
didn't
say but he kind of said it and
he
actually added something
important which
was omitted from the NPR report
which is
no matter what happens it goes
back to
the states where people
California
shouldn't be worried about
anything
should be happy they can do
whatever
they want in fact why don't
they promote
that yeah later on the show I
got some
flashbacks and you and I both
will both
reminisce about when some of
the now
crazy lefty people were really
on our
side of thinking interestingly
no we'll
get to that later the Supreme
Court I
have two more things I have
Mike Lee I
had two clips from him one is
extremely
long you want to play the whole
thing
but you just get an idea of
what he's
talking about by playing about
the
probably the first half of clip
one if
this is sort of how the
practice of
holding these hearings began so
the
Senators could ask nominees how
they
might vote how they might rule
in
particular cases but this
didn't always
happen in fact it it wasn't
until 1916
that this even started you see
there
have been 113 justices
confirmed at the
Supreme Court so far the first
66 were
confirmed without even holding
a hearing
any idea of a hearing is
relatively new
it's about 102 years old yes
see I love
this John thank you is having a
little
history lesson on the show is
something
we need to work on it's really
it's it's
entertaining even if this
happened
hundreds of years ago context
that we're
not getting from the news me
yes now we
have to do it punch it that's
pathetic
podcasters 125 130 years under
our
constitutional republic without
ever
having a hearing but regardless
we
started having hearings just
over a cent
riah go the very first Supreme
Court
confirmation hearing occurred
in 1916
with justice Louis Brandeis
after Louis
Brandeis was nominated to the
court some
called for a hearing now if
we're honest
with ourselves for honest about
history
I think a lot of us maybe had
to do with
some anti sentiment fervor and
the fact
that Justice Brandeis was
Jewish but
senators also wanted to
determine
whether Brandeis would use his
seat on
the Supreme Court to advocate
for some
of the things that he had
advocated for
as a private citizen as a public
interest attorney they wanted
to know
how he might vote in particular
cases
they didn't ask Justice
Brandeis to
testify significantly but they
did in
fact ask some outside witnesses
what
they thought about his
nomination the
next important moment one could
argue
occurred in nineteen thirty
nine when
Felix Frankfurter became the
first
nominee to himself testified
before the
committee at the time
frankfurter was
controversial in part because
he was
born overseas but senators also
worried
that frankfurter was a radical
based on
his defense of anarchists in
court so
again senators wanted
assurances about
how frankfurter might rule in
particular
cases in particular of what
results he
might reach in a particular
type of case
frankfurter however
significantly
declined to engage with the
senators on
those topics and insisted that
his
public record spoke for itself
justice stewarts nomination in
1959 was
another turning point senator
is seeking
to resist Brown versus Board of
Education one of the grill
Stewart on
his views on integration others
still
wanted the grill steward about
his views
on national security
so senators turned up the heat
a little
bit more in that hearing like
frankfurter before him Justice
Stewart
did not provide substantive
answers to their questions huh
and I played the whole thing as
you can
tell it goes on and on it he
talks about
how it yeah now the standard of
excellence is rouge gator been
a root
Gator Gator Ruth Bader Ginsburg
are Gigi
has son she had a rule she says
I'm not
gonna you know tip my hat and
it's a
bunch of during her hearings
and I don't
think I should be answering
these sorts
of questions and that's the
standard
that the Republicans keep
throwing in
the Democrats face what during
these
hearings was did frankfurter in
that
clip you see also the guy who
invented
the hot dog no no surprisingly
enough
he's not the same guy okay so I
thought
it might be a little shortcut
were Mike
Lee kind of does it because a
little
little ending here that thought
was
interesting 28 years later 28
years
after Justice Stewart came
through this
committee the Senate considered
Robert
Bork's nomination to the
Supreme Court
this was another significant
turning
point and in my view remains
something
of a rock-bottom moment for the
Senate
and for the Senate Judiciary
Committee
without getting into any of the
course
yeah the gory details here I
think it
suffice it to say that Senator
Ted
Kennedy and judge Bork did not
agree on
certain matters of
constitutional law
and Kennedy's response was to
savage
unfairly in my opinion the
results that
Judge Bork would reach if
confirmed to
the Supreme Court the history
shows that
over the better part of a
century the
Judiciary Committee has
gradually
created something of a new norm
the norm
in which members demand that
nominees
speak about specific cases in
return for
favorable treatment from the
committee
as the jurists are going
through this
process now man he's talking
about he's
wasting our time talking about
people
who are wasting our time in
historical
context of wasting time yes I
only have
one last clip and this is
actually have
to another was not really about
this
hearings another was not really
about this
but this this one here comes
from the
government there's a guy a
couple there
you have a number of historians
that
like to produce podcasts really
podcasts
are just kind of like little
books on
tape are they hosted on pod
beam no
they're not on pod being
surprisingly
enough I would say that I
wouldn't be a
podcaster if I had this guy's
voice
because this is a guy and I
don't have
his name in front of it he
gives a
little Supreme Court early
history that
was never mentioned by anybody
as
actually kind of interesting
presidents
nominate Supreme Court justice
oh my god
I'm already loving the voices
and the
Senate has to confirm there has
been
occasional trouble since the
very
beginning trouble since the very
the first justice to be denied
a seat on
the court was a man named John
Rutledge
it was 1795 just seven years
into the
new constitutional experiment
Rutledge
had written an op-ed piece
critical of
the Jay Treaty a 1794 treaty
with
Britain that tried to resolve
certain
lingering issues from the War of
Independence that was enough
for a
federalist Senate to Scotch his
candidacy Jefferson came into
office in
1801 in what he called the
second
American Revolution
I guess that for saying this
guy needs a
noise gate real bad
did you hear that I don't know
man but
poised to prevent that
revolution was
Chief Justice John Marshall
Jefferson's
distant cousin he was put into
his life
tenured position in the last
months of
John Adams failed one-term
administration Adams who
distrusted
Jefferson's Democratic
radicalism
essentially engaged in
last-minute court
packing Marshall and dozens of
other
midnight appointments to make
sure that
Jefferson did not take things
too far to
the left
Marshall went on to serve for
34 years
he was perhaps the greatest of
all
Supreme Court justices he was
indeed a
foreign in Jefferson side
Marshall
wanted America to be a great
centralised
nation state not a
confederation of
sovereign states he wanted a
nation that
prized the sanctity of contract
above
any temporary notion of social
justice
he despised Jefferson's vision
of a
lightly governed inward-looking
agriculturally based loose
Association
of proud Commonwealth's like
Virginia
and Pennsylvania we now live in
Marshalls America not
Jefferson's and
that's the story Paul Harvey
that was
probably the right there was the
fundamental basis for the Civil
War yeah
Marshall yeah well and that was
social
justice warriors it sounds like
Jefferson was a social
Jefferson warrior
he was and that's what she
called and he
was a lefty I mean the day
course they
demean him because he owned
slaves you
know yeah but he was getting
closer
he was the og s JW t og slave
Jefferson
warrior we cannot I'm sorry
that's my
mistake we cannot I'm sorry
that's my
yeah we cannot I'm sorry that's
my
what well--there's I've we need
we
cannot where is this thing yes
we cannot
end a segment like that without
this
jingle I'm sorry I will have it
ready
next time not tight tight now
this is
the last thing this was an ad
did you
see this ad this was Susan they
ad
against Susan Collins the
social justice
warriors put up an ad right now
who is
Susan Collins this is the
senator from
Maine who is the Republican and
swing
vote mm-hmm and she has to vote
as do
every do all the Republicans
they have
to vote YES on this guy and
they think
that she's a weak sister a weak
sister
okay and so the all these
Democrats put
together this ad claiming to be
likes
her supporters but you could
just see
this as a fake in terms of that
and they
put this ad out which is now
floating
around trying to get her to
vote against
Kavanagh and this is the ad
Susan
college senator I have called
you I have
emailed I've written letters
day after
day week after week it has been
pretty
d'amore week after week it has
been pretty
to know that your elected
representative
is ignoring you so we're trying
something new and hope that
this will
get your attention
senator Collins if you vote for
Brett
Kavanaugh we're gonna fund your
future
opponent a vote for Cavanaugh
is almost
certainly a vote to reverse Roe
versus
Wade as a Mainer who has a
pre-existing
condition if you vote YES on
Cavanaugh
you're voting to kill me I got
to hear
that part again that was just
so good by
the way it's followed up by the
non-binary person but also the
the
cadence the whole delivery of
that line
was just fantastic if you're
going to
kill me
no Manor who has a pre-existing
condition if you vote YES on
Cavanaugh
you're voting to kill me if he
was in
court he could instantly take
away
rights for people like me as a
non-binary person or people
nearly under
marginalized identity you vote
no
we're not gonna stop fighting
until
you're defeated Mainers need
you to
stand up and be a hero be a hero
being a hero for your hero and
vote no
and if you don't we will
replace you who
paid for that that's great I
don't know
I couldn't have yet to figure
it out
it's very it's humorous I like
it that's
very funny
this is I appreciate this kind
of art
and I encourage that at any
time in our
media landscape vote for him to
kill me
yes yeah I think that is
fantastic
absolutely good job well let's
transition to the other side of
Capitol
Hill and where we had the
foreign
influence on social media a
hearing and
this was in the Intelligence
Committee
and I think we can do a nice
transition
with the only clips that
overlapped
during for this program because
John I
never discussed what we're
gonna do I
have no idea what he's gonna
talk about
or what clips he's sending I
just get
them before we start five
minutes before
I look at him just to make sure
yeah
there's not too many doubles I
have one
clip of Alex Jones versus Marco
Rubio
you have two so I think that
you should
run with the segment actually
Marco you
might want to play your clip
because if
cuz I mic clips are kind of a
trap it's
the clip plus a kicker and I
want to see
what your clip is I just have to
straight-up clip but I just have
straight-up clip I think we
should do
yours this is an executive
decision okay
well this is the clip that I'm
gonna
play this is a Alex Jones
versus Ruger
this is a clip that was
generally
promoted on the Internet
yeah and it was Rubio giving a
press
briefing in the hallway and
Jones
butting in but but I just want
to say up
front what I found so
fascinating about
this clip and of course we'll
hear it
most the clip is about this a
big
spoiler Rubio then I've seen
this
behavior Rubio then I've seen
this
I'll give you an example in the
Netherlands for sure in when I
was 20
very early on when you know
being on TV
was not as common as it is
today and
people would of course
recognise me and
they would always say just
without me
even asking hi I don't know who
you are
and I said I never watched it
now I
never watched music television
you
kidding man I don't know if I
don't know
who you are when they when I
it's a very
I knew for a fact that they
have oh yes
and it's a very odd reaction
that some
people had and of all people
for this to
happen and Marco Rubio to do
this and
double and triple down on it
with
shouting in his face
I give Alex Jones a 10 plus for
this by
the way I wish I had those
balls to
promote our show
cuz you know he's just sticking
his
facing good info wars.com I
think I wish
I had both legs it's fantastic
guy very
this is great could I have a
first
amendment or should these
companies be
able to to viola coal safe
harbor hacked
and all that and then ban
conservatives
in mash about the First
Amendment yeah I
support the first question a
couple of
things we have to start it over
okay
cause I think it needs to be
prefaced
that rubra is actually doing an
interview some woman from local
station
him and Joe was just standing
on the
side there it just jumps in
yeah and he
and I believe he says safe
harbor act
instead of safe harbor at save
are ver
yeah like safe harbor act like
oh you
gonna put Rubio's funny keep
catch that
term I said what do you talk
about
putting trees up I know what
you're
talking about I don't need any
more
trees oh I didn't even catch
that that's
pretty funny
could I have a First Amendment
or should
these companies be able to to
viola coal
say barber hacks and all that
and then
ban conservatives in mash know
about the
First Amendment yeah I support
the first
time I just ask questions
China are guys hired are you
aware that
he platforming going on in China
no here big tech companies are
purging
conservatives their shadow
banning
people in matter well my
broader concern
is that what we are trying to
do in
terms of preventing foreign
interference
in our elections that
technology could
be used by authoritarian
governments to
argue we want you to do the
same thing
against people that are in our
Jones
makes an external argument he
says dude
what are you talking about
that's
happening here right now under
your very
nose country operating for
example for
that misinformation would be
something
like the truth for that missin
for them
sowing instability would be
supporting
democracy and flip the
Democrats are
doing what you said China does
that you
got fun shelf Hamburg
Dorsey on that question I think
Facebook
now is I think it's important
for them
not to comply with any efforts
to sort
of go after freedom of
expression
conservative the the not
answering just
Republicans are acting like it
isn't
happening are acting like it
isn't
thank God Trump is weird oh
yeah it's
really weird there's no person
conservatives shadow banning
well I
think the bigger biases against
freedom
of expression everybody should
be
there's a there's a look I see
more
going on happening here but you
say I
don't exist it's not a heckler
I depress
the goggle look at this guy
he's saying
that I don't exist and these
very hairy
he plays dumb here's the common
so he
calls him snake snake eyes frat
boy and
then he touches his shoulder
which he
had done a couple times before
which I
also found to be quite
aggressive I'd be
like dude don't touch me and
but then
Rubio falls for it in some
planes of
years info play this joke over
here
that's why the D platforming
didn't work
but but here's the question
here's a
question don't touch me again
man I'm
asking not to touch well sure
I'll just
pad you nice I know but I don't
want to
be fed I know who you are it's
not just
gonna beat me up so mad you're
not gonna
stylish me people are like you
are
literally atop what was that
something
now you're at the end of your
clip there
shouldn't have been yeah
gangster give
me ends but then that's the
clip that
went around but then and you
gave him
the kudos and I thought it was
pretty
funny kudos and I thought it
was pretty
yeah although he's just
annoying kudos
for promoting his shows I gave
him
composure savage Michael Savage
has an
extended version huh that was
that was
done by Cassandra Fairbanks one
of the
famous Twitter people done that
it
follow and she follows me
and she was there apparently
putting
this thing on periscope live
uh-huh and
so when Rubio kinda gave gave
up and we
started walking away I think I
think
Jones kind of blew his
credibility by
calling him out as gay and just
let it
kind of goes little nuts on
this and
listen to the way it ends but
well I'm
playing it but I'm not hearing
it no
that's not good to argue we
want you to
do the same thing against
people that
are I have a fit maybe you
didn't clip
this about should I move it
this time
and move it to the end see what
it
sounds like okay careful about
bro look
on the ground I think you gave
me the
outtake I may have well yeah
I'll tell
you what he says he says sorry
I can get
that get that clip like goup
stop the
show go get it no no no no no
you don't
have that clip no stomping of
the show
he falls and mad he says go
back to the
bathhouse no it's too bad you
didn't
have the clip you know this has
happened
to me before it's empty you
once maybe
twice but it's okay because I
have a a
clip maybe of similar
proportion this
was really an interesting thing
that
happened we had all you know
there was
lots of messy stuff going on the
audience we had the Democrats
shouting
and the SCOTUS hearing then we
had all
kinds of stuff going on with
Alex Jones
and of course we had the social
media
network and election hearing
and that
was interrupted by Laura Loomer
oh yes now Laurel umer I I'm I
might as
well just to tell you what I've
been
thinking for a while yes yeah
she comes
up with really interesting and
well
researched and surprising
information
certainly about the Vegas
shooting and
she has these just gems of
nuggets from
time to time and then all of a
sudden
she's the 25 year old moron
again yams
like primping for the camera
and so she
stands up in the back with her
selfie
stick making sure she's filming
herself
causing this ruckus shouting
something
to the effect of Jack Dorsey is
meddling
in the elections his squashing
Republican voice as
conservative as us
okay hold on so I didn't see
any of
these which is the way I
expected you to
do I don't know why but I don't
know why
either Patel you go but she was
at this
yeah in the back in the audience
so she stands up and she starts
interrupting and then and I'm
watching
this dueling c-span screens and
by the
way this is great on the on the
surface
go I didn't know this about
Windows and
maybe it's just the surface but
you can
drag a window to the edge and
then poop
it'll take up half the screen
and I'll
give you a choice for another
yeah
that's a day I'll do it that
does it we
that's a Windows 10 thing yeah
and then
you hit the escape button after
you've
done it elegantly once ever
since Steve
died all that cool stuff that
Apple used
to do and now someone's gonna
tell me
they do it too I'm sure they do
that's beside the point very
long beside
the point anyway so I'm looking
at this
and there she is and I'm like
this is
just grand izing and now she
has this
thing like you've been Lewis
grant
standing what I say grand icing
nom
Nydia grandstanding and she has
this
you've been Lou murd like no no
you
gotta be around a little longer
before
you can say that you've Lou
murd I mean
I would never say you've been
Dvorak
tore curried or No Agenda no we
say
would you been hit in the mouth
that's a
little different but bloomer
you can
always tell that chicken that's
been
curry yes so you've been
humored so i
have a feeling that she's being
run by
someone that she has she has
someone
behind her who's giving her
great
information and she just knows
how to
present it she's you know semi
cute
she's bubbly young energetic
and you
know so there's something going
on
behind her that that is putting
information out anyway so this
is not
one of those moments this is
really her
trying to Loomer and it fails
but it
fails for a very interesting
reason and
and so I have these two screens
going on
I'm like is there a third what
is me
comes Auto Auction on what's
happening
here now recognizes that get a
mic over
to her get a mic over order get
a mic
over now lab order in the air
will be
asked to leave you you'll
please take a
seat or we'll have to have you
then
you'll need to release please
help
before it is too late because
Jack
Dorsey is trying to influence
the
election what she said I can't
understand 15 $20 figured a
hand viola 7
half 30 $30 up here at this
point like
I'm like what's going on $40
she's
yelling I'm hearing this hey
hot $50
down here - officer will you
escort this
young lady out please - half an
hour 5c
5 1770 up two and a half now
five seven
five seven I have $80 - five 85
90
hundred on at hand and to end
the
quarter one the quarter 1
Hannah said
about to do to the quarter it -
at
hancinema 3 able to bond 300 it
three
and a quarter cut three and a
quarter
now a quarter cut three and a
quarter
hanpan through the head of Maya
400 yeah
but a 4-4-2 quarter fort have
we're
selling the cell phone there
for the
court half-dead Ford has
returned about
a five hundred five and a
quarter fine
with half I yield back
that was Senator long from
Missouri was
fantastic that was a really
creative way
of lightening the mood that was
really
good and so everyone just like
it was it
was perfect and then of course
the it
ends on such a sour note just
dumb this
is like great and now is your
moment for
the for the great line of the
day and
know what does he do now I
think our
auctioneer and residents gonna
get
tweeted about today idiot
no okay so that was all I
really had of
the interruptions like that
apparently
he wasn't that's a that's a
sound of a
professional - it's like yes
well we
have a lot of them here in
Tejas so yeah
I'm familiar with them yeah
otherwise
you thought it'd be cool to do
that
there was a song back in the
day I could
do heavier don't be the
auctioneer I
could do that I could I could
sing along
with it the audition it's
called the
I'll find it for the next show
the
auctioneer okay so now we have
on the
other side of the Senate we
have or
wherever I don't know what if
it's
really on the other side we
have the
Intelligence Committee and they
have a
hearing which is titled foreign
influence and social media now
although
all of these things are screwed
did never and you could even
see both
Dorsey and Sandberg who were
the only
two there there was an empty
seat
ominously empty where Google
didn't show
up that one reference whoo hey
they
don't have to they right
everyone's
checks they don't have to show
up so
that's what's going on there
and where's
the outrage where's the media
talking
about Google being a bunch of
either
pussies something to hide or
just plain
rude they talk about it but
only in a
normal like reporting manner
Google by the way what is what
shows up
a big G and we'll logo who
comes for
Google Eric Schmidt here comes
a Google
Eric sir he's my age I'm Sante
gigas he
talks like this you can't
really express
himself the low voice
okay I don't know so then out
there good
and there's no one from Google
yeah but
you know you can see Sandberg
and Jack
Dorsey from Twitter they both
have they
basically have the questions in
long-form sheets in front of
them's like
they know who's coming they
know what
questions are coming I don't
know if was
abbreviated or not but we know
these
things are scripted but this is
a topic
that not everyone is
well-versed in and
I I sadly that one I forgot to
do was of
and I will clip that for
Sunday's of
camallo Harris trying to
understand the
value of an ad buy which is
really
important but we can easily
discuss it
on Sunday it's a lot much longer
conversation because it's so
convoluted
but I think you and I can pick
it apart
okay we'll do that but the
hearing
started off and this is the the
first
clip is a little little over
two minutes
and it it kind of really says
everything
and it shows you the difference
between
these two personalities and I
believe
also the DNA of their companies
I don't
know why I was up talking and
do my tech
reporter voice that's what it
was these
two companies okay let me tell
you all
about it at least I caught
myself and
the first question is the only
question
really we needed to have answer
and
maybe I should ask you first
for some
reflection because the first
question is
from the Chairman is what is
social
media the Chairman is what is
social
now what is social media to you
John
before we hear from our
witnesses social
media is a construct
using the internet to
interconnect
people in groups forums or even
individually so they can
interact
without being anywhere near
each other
someone should write that down
because
that was very good as you can
imagine
it's not at all what their
answers work
and Sandberg now let me just
get my
other notes here I did take a
number of
notes even though I'd have just
a few
clips first of all Sandberg I'm
sorry
and I tried this out on Tina
last night
not as a joke but purely is as
just an
observation and didn't go very
far but
Sandberg has got to be watching
these
hearings of herself I'm sure
she saw
some tape I'm thinking God why
did I
fuck up my nose so bad I mean
she did
something with a nose job it was
probably a second or a third
time and it
she had a a broad nose if you
look at
the at the book of knowledge
and you go
back and but it was cute it was
nothing
wrong with it and you know now
it has
kind of that Michael Jackson
thing where
two sides in a way it's like
Mike it's
Michael circa 1989 you know
where it's
and then it starts to fall in
other side
and then the way the light hits
it it
just it just looks like you
have a small
kind of structure left looks
like you
have a small penis on your face
I mean
it's really bad to anyway and
I'm sorry
for her that she did that but
let it be
a warning people be careful
what you do
with your face endorsee read
his opening
of that opening statements
Dorsey read
his opening statement from his
iPhone
which I think was a big mistake
he
looked and he was he's nervous
and he's
he if he if he hadn't said I'm
shy at
the beginning was he did you
know I
usually don't do these things
I'm sure
he could have been seen as a
much much
closer to Tony Stark than Elon
Musk
because he comes across as a
very deep
thinker he carries his words
very
carefully and I actually think
he is a
deep thinker and has thought
about what
he's doing and what Twitter is
and I
have to say I'm very impressed
by his
performance in general let me
see well
did the typical
they're about Nome their
business model
and all that stuff we've heard
it a
million times but there were
some new
terms and a couple things I
highlighted
again the the advertising and
the money
flow and everything I didn't
get that
one will do that on Sunday but
let's
start off with the opening
statements
with that very question this
question is
- oh and Samberg hold on a
second before
you start teasing Sunday oh
you're right
what am I thinking it's not Sun
that's
Thunder someday we have a
special show
yeah you're talking about next
Thursday
yes next Thursday
sorry I'll probably forget
we'll never know you won't I'll
remember
I will remember the Sandberg
Campbell
Harris clip okay it's
programmed now
back to the back to the show
and Sheryl
Sandberg saw her entire
testimony was
Miss goody goody two-shoes
borderline
valley girl had everything all
sewn up
she's that veteran she knows
Jack's
nervous and shy this question
is to both
of you
how would you define social
media for
this committee and more
importantly for
the American people and I'll
start with
you miss ember social media
enables you
to share what you want to share
when you
want to share it without asking
permission from anyone that's
that's the
top thing right there share
what you
want to share with anyone
without any
permission except permission
from
Facebook that's how we meet our
mission
which is giving people a voice
I would
have stopped right there oh
really so if
people can share like illegal
images or
atom bomb plans or anything
they want to
share or there's you know some
sort of a
meeting that's gonna do
overthrow the
government that's all shareable
that's
that's what social media is all
about is
but that you are now the
senator from
Kentucky you have just won your
seat on
the house and two undies Senate
Intelligence come on I'll start
with you
miss ember social media enables
you to
share what you want to share
when you
want to share it without asking
permission I just want that on
a big
placard anyone and that's how
we meet
our mission which is really
giving
people a voice and I think
what's more
important than just the content
people
shares the connections they
made rich
social media enables people to
celebrate
their birthdays
when I heard that I said this is
fantastic I heard that I said
this is
how do they come up with
approve that
yeah number two on the list
birthdays
the Dutch are jumping up and
down and I
think what's more important
than just
the content people shares the
connections they make social
media
enables people to celebrate
their
birthdays and I'm sorry I just
want this
was my first birthday in many
years
without Facebook
and you celebrated it just fine
yeah I'm
still here and it was really
calm and
the few people that did get
through to
me few people that did get
through to
they really love me so it was a
good
feeling in the last year people
have
raised 300 million dollars on
Facebook
on birthday funders for
nonprofits they
care about birthday funders huh
it's a
double whammy on the birthdays
for the
social nets safety check in the
worst
circumstances of their lives
have let
their loved ones know they're
safe how
about a text message does that
work
still hey I'm still alive phone
oh thank
god there's Facebook and small
businesses to grow all around
the
country I meet with small
businesses
from a woman making dresses in
her
living room and selling them on
Instagram with one arm to a
local
plumber with no legs were able
to find
their customers on Facebook and
then
able to grow and hire people
and live
their American dream and that's
our
entire statement that is what
social
media is it's about sharing
anything you
want without anyone telling you
what to
do unless your name is Alex
Jones
it's about birthdays raising
money for
birthdays and what was the last
one yeah
small businesses oh yeah yes
sad people
with little who would you know
retirees
who are doing work somewhere
they can
make a buck that's social media
so Jack
Dorsey who knew I mean if I was
like a
burger like dude you didn't do
a good
job on that that's not how a
social
media is anyway so Dorsey
doesn't really
even answer the question he goes
straight to where what he's
thinking and
this will come back and I have
just a
couple other clips this will
come back
and it's deep and I really
appreciate
the thinking he put into it and
also
notice that the senator
addresses him as
Jack and not mr. Dorsey in this
particular clip I just thought
that was
interesting for context able to
find
their customers on Facebook and
then
able to grow and hire people
and live
their American dream
I believe it's really important
to to
understand how the people see
it and we
believe that the people use
Twitter as
they would a public square and
they
often have the same
expectations that
they would have of any public
space for
our part we see our platform as
hosting
and serving conversations those
conversations are on the public
we think
there's a lot of benefit to
those
conversations being in the
public but
there's obviously a lot of
risks as well
we see that news and
entertainment are
actually byproducts of public
conversation a very astute
observation
I don't know if the media likes
it but I
thought that was good yes it's a
byproduct absolutely media
should like
it and they should use it as an
ammunition against them because
it's not
it's not primary so yeah you can
advertise with Twitter but it's
a
byproduct it's like advertising
with a
byproduct you know byproduct
like a
byproduct of poor with no
there's no no
no no he says something said
news is a
byproduct of tenor
yeah I think what he means by
news is
like reporting news yeah so so
Twitter
is the ground zero the media is
just
taken the the shreds that fly
off the
edge of the mission I think I
think no I
don't think that's what he
meant that's
I think that's exactly what he
meant
well it doesn't matter we can
disagree
on that this yes and
entertainment are
actually byproducts of public
conversation and we see our
role as
helping to not only serve that
public
conversation so that everyone
can
benefit even if they don't have
a
Twitter account I don't know
what that
means account I don't know what
that
everyone can benefit from
Twitter even
if you don't have a Twitter
account well
you know always go on the site
you know
which foot it oh okay I got you
you not
only serve that public
conversation so
that everyone can benefit even
if they
don't have a Twitter account
that's
important but also to increase
the
health of that conversation as
well the
health and nor do that in order
to do
that we need to be able to
measure it we
need to now yeah yeah this is
deep he so
he's saying the health of that
conversation and I and I think
the
health and I and I think the
I think contextually I think I
understand what he's talking
about is it
at the health the health yes
the health
so the healthiness of the of the
conversation the health if it is
something that is making people
happy
and therefore healthy because
they
either iris would say agree
with each
other is one way if you have
everyone
agreeing with each other I
don't know
how that works but okay or
going to
dimension be for a few minutes
on
Twitter you'll know how it
works really
quick right but but do we all
agree that
he's saying healthy
conversations where
people aren't like me and making
themselves sick literally making
themselves sick which is what
social
media is what is social media
Mr curry
it's a place where people go to
get sick
that's my answer but also to
increase
the health of that conversation
as well
and nor do that in order to do
that we
need to be able to measure a
measure we
need to understand what healthy
participation looks like in a
public
square and we need to amplify
that
that's more important
we need to question a lot of the
fundamentals that we started
with 12
years ago in the form of
incentives when
people use our product every
single day
when they open our app up what
are we
incentivizing them to do not
telling
them what to do where are we
actually
incentivizing them to do and
that
certainly speaks to the buttons
that we
have in our service all the way
to our
business model so didn't really
answer
the well he dealt with the
social media
question quite quick quick
quickly it's
a it's a public square and
people expect
the same type of actions they
can take
on the public square although I
would
wager to say because of
anonymity people
actually show themselves their
true
selves and being on Twitter is
like
looking at your own anus
because we're
all like that in to some degree
but then
he goes into this very deep
thinking
which we'll come back to later
about
what exactly are we doing what
are we
doing here now I don't know if
you can
ever measure the health of a
conversation although you never
know
what machine learning and AI
can do
but I thought there was at
least some
thinking and not now this being
the bit
of timecode down I already have
a couple
okay this being the foreign
influence of
social media so you know how
how do we
respond it's just kind of a
general
response to are they working
together we
collaborating are we doing
everything
the minute we see bad actors are
actually a new term will pop up
in a
moment whenever we see these
bad actors
you know is we do we have
systems in
place and man when you listen
to this
and how they're all like
agreeing with
each other and nodding and oh
yeah yeah
we're all locked down I think
where
collaboration has greatly
increased
we've always worked closely
with law
enforcement and we continue to
do that
and particularly the FBI's new
task
force forcibly shared
information with
other companies but I think we
are doing
better and we can continue to
do better
mr. chairman you noted in your
opening
remarks that some of the tips
we got
from came from a private
security firm
in our mind that's the system
working
aha our opponents are very
well-funded
they are very organized and we
are going
to get those tips from law
enforcement
from each other from private
firms those
tips with each other the more
the
stronger our collective
defenses will be
you get too far away from what
would
that was just that was just a
little bit
of a rapport that our opponents
yes
yeah that's opposed to me and
the new
FBI task force that certainly
is great
collaborating with them oh yeah
but is
she mean by our opponents the
Russians
you sure she doesn't mean
Republicans
well she didn't say Russians
she said
opponents so I think that she
meant a
wide variety could be
Republicans who
are influenced by Russians or
who have
ever had a Russian dressing on
their
salad I don't know those are
her words
and they and she's pretty
precise with
how she speaks this is old she's
rehearsed quite well
our opponents our opponents yes
and we
have the specialist especially
now this
really mean right we got to
stop and I
want to look up this word we
have to
assume that there's some
something
within this definition
who compete okay if she says our
opponents yeah she says someone
who it
says someone who competes
against or
fights another in a contest
game or
argument a rival or adversary
yes I
think Russia fits in there but
also
Republicans I think think
Twitter fits
in yes actually when she when I
first
heard this because you know
you're
paying attention a lot of
things the
same time I thought she was
actually
talking about Twitter but then
I went
back and she wasn't she was
referring to
his opening comments about the
attacks
on our democracy
tax on our democracy but we
sure would
buy our Pony means the attacks
on our
democracy I think so yeah
buying one
hundred thousand dollars with
the cheap
advertising that's kind of
silly yes and
and the one hundred thousand
dollars
again I'm sorry a week from
today we'll
pull that apart that did come
up and
it's important all right let me
let me
move on because now we have a
new term
as we're now going to talk
about a
little more about what is
permitted what
can and can't be done on the
platform
and she has all kinds of
interesting
terms you know very much like
unindicted
co-conspirator which is what
will go on
Donald Trump's tombstone if
it's up to
the Democrats unindicted
co-conspirator
who's pre dead at this moment be
precancerous so here we're
going to talk
about well you'll hear it it's
just new
terms and interesting stuff who
what
what entity do you have in each
of your
companies who make these
determinations
our policy team is setting
those and our
security team is finding them
uncoordinated inauthentic
behavior this
is it this is this is her big
thing
inauthentic behavior you want
to look
something up what does that
mean isn't
everybody by definition who's on
Facebook inauthentic that's the
whole
game isn't it yes you're
supposed to be
inauthentic look inauthentic
take
pictures that are inauthentic
posting
authentically in and once in a
while say
Trump is a dick isn't isn't
that what
everyone does that's the only
authenticity I'm seeing
coordinated
inauthentic behavior means
behavior on
our site that's inauthentic so
people
are not representing themselves
to be
who they are to be and
coordinated me
they are presenting themselves
who they
are to be not representing
themselves to
be who they are to be who they
are to be
they are to be who they ought
to be from
arbie's who they are to be
sandwich from
Arby's they're not representing
themselves to who they are who
they
ought to be hablaba they are to
be
okay so she you know she's
trying to
explain inauthentic behavior I
think she
means that they can't really
and if they
think she even refers to it
they can't
really track if someone's being
inauthentic which I guess means
I'm a
Russian spy covering as the hot
girl in
a bikini on Facebook I think
that's what
she means Savior means behavior
on our
site that's inauthentic so
people are
not representing themselves to
be who
they are to be and coordinated
means
they are coordinating and they
can be
coordinating with authentic
actors and
coordinating with inauthentic
actors I
need a roadmap for this I don't
know who
can I coordinate with you I mean
authentic bro sorry
both are unacceptable it
something that
is easy to recognize people
unanimous
about her you wind up with
debates as to
whether or not okay is that guy
for real
isn't that it's not the only
unanswered
question ever certain platforms
should
be shut down I think on a lot
of issues
like hate speech there's broad
debate
when it comes to what is an
inauthentic
actor which is a fake account
posing as
someone they're hard to find
but once we
find them we know what they are
who sets
these Sanders stay same
committee the
same group of people and and
just for
context she said quite clearly
it's I
don't have it in this clip that
Facebook
is not in the business of
determining
what is fact or false what is
true or
false or fake news or fact or
fact check
false whatever the hell it is
it's false
that they use third-party
independent or
independent third parties for
that which
means the independent fact
check network
which includes such luminary
members as
the Daily Caller foundation
Tucker
Carlson's thing head to Snopes
so you
know I don't know what can come
out of
that but okay fine well give me
give me
some examples of standards that
are
unacceptable in the coordinated
and
authentic behavior or in
general in
general yeah so we publish our
community
standards comprehensively and
what that
does is to find what's
permitted on
Facebook and what's not okay
here we
finally what's permitted and
what's not
okay permit it on Facebook so
some
examples are bullying is not
permitted
bullying hate is not permitted
hate is
not permitted not hate speech
hate is
not permitted hey don't a
language that
leads to violence is not
permitted and
this is published in detail
publicly
publicly we publish that
publicly hate
is not allowed this is what is
left of
your social network if hate is
not
allowed hate speech okay we've
we've
tried to define that not
legally but now
just hate so if I go on
Facebook I hate
this guy am I in violation
violation yes
yes you are if you hate
President Trump
you you're in violation
everybody are they all hate
there is a
room there is a Facebook group
when I
was last on it you know when
was that
March um and that is called I
hate
Donald Trump
that should be not allowed well
then
obviously one of the senators
would
bring that up final clip for
this is and
we're now coming back round to
the
incentives and you will hear
Samberg was
said I don't know did I even
put Samberg
in this she has no vision just
bad nose
job and Dorsey he's thinking
deep about
it I want to get to the basic
issue of
whether our incentives in this
case are
aligned to deal with these
challenges
and by the way I'm pretty sure
that
Dorsey because of the jack
comment that
he coordinated this with with
the
chairman but this is where
they're going
towards incentives and how the
social
networks are responsible for a
lot of
this bad behavior and this is a
setup
I'm not sure how they're gonna
play it
out I think it's way too
complicated for
most but I think that's what's
going on
if your users were to lose
conference
confidence in your platforms in
the
authenticity of what you mr.
Dorsey
called a public square I might
call it a
digital public square Wow
inventive I
assume there'd be very serious
economic
implications for your companies
do you
think the the incentives have
aligned
for platform providers of all
types in
the digital space to want to
get at
these issues and have a plan
and be able
to respond in real time miss
Hamburg and
then you mr. Dorsey absolutely
Trust is
the cornerstone of our business
people
have to trust that what they
see on
facebook is authentic people
have to
trust that this is a positive
force for
democracy and the things they
care about
and so this has been a huge
issue for us
and that's why we're here today
and
that's why we're gonna keep
working to
get ahead of these threats and
make sure
we can minimize all of this
activity mr.
chairman I just want you know
we at
Facebook we're all on board
do you like my tight sweater I
mean
seriously is that her vision is
that is
that how concerned she is very
disappointing short Facebook
our incentives are on lines but
I do
believe it goes a lot deeper
than just
the alignment of our company
incentives
with this committee and the
American
people I believe we need to
question the
fundamental incentives are in
our
product today yes this time
someone
opens up our service every time
someone
opens up our app we are
implicitly
incentivizing them to do
something or
not to do something and that
extends all
the way to our business and
those
answers that we get from asking
that
question are going to create
massive
shifts in how Twitter operates
and I
also believe how our industry
operates
so what worked 12 years ago
does not
work today it hasn't evolved
fast enough
but I think it's a layer many
many many
many layers deeper than these
surface
symptoms that we often find
ourselves
discussing I like his answer
yeah you're you're gonna
bromance with I
yeah yeah and I'm no fan of
Jack Dorsey
we know he probably dislikes me
I'm not
verified have asked to have
never even
gotten a straight-up answer
people have
asked on my behalf still do I
don't want
it anymore
because then I will have to
leave
Twitter because it's the mark
of the
beast because it's the mark of
the
um but I like what he says here
no and I
and he is I say it's gonna
change
massively and I think not to
their
benefit I think he realizes that
squares what he's thinking damn
crying I
got into that business
yeah that was a smart move ah
as far as
I'm concerned
Twitter was always the
invention of M
head Robin Williams right who
invented
blogger made you know he's
worth a
billion dollars was blogging it
was all
based on RSS
that's what Twitter were
originally it
was a podcast platform blogger
no no it
was a podcast but it was oh do
od Allah came Twitter odyo was
the
podcast competitor to me vo but
they had
a platform and we just had
content don't
you remember no yeah oh do and
then they
never really launched and they
turned
they came up with this follow
thing
which I think they had in their
podcast
environment and that became
Twitter and
then podcasting just went in
the crapper
for 10 years because then we
had social
nets and that was the the next
next new
new new big thing you're not
sure of
this da I know my history my
friend and
we discussed it on the show we
discussed
it on the show well with that
I'd like
to thank you for your courage
to say in
the morning to you John say you
dance
for Charles Dvorak you're
welcome
all wait I'm sorry well in the
brain to
you too mr. Adam curry also
eldership
sassy boots on the ground feet
in the
air sons in the water and all
the names
and I said and in the morning
to the
troll room no agenda stream
calm good to
see it all the trolls here and
in a good
mood today
everyone's I think everyone had
a lot of
fun watching c-span yeah was
real we're
an energetic Bunch we are we
watch
c-span as a group and in the
morning to
Nick the rat who was awarded
the the
choice of pick for album art
for episode
1065 the tiger got headed of
weekly flux
capacitor was the title of of
the show
and this was Comey James Comey
looking
at his laundry line of drying
counterfeit money or not
counterfeit
washed money laundered laundered
laundered I'm sorry white washed
laundered money as we and you
know it
was interesting because I just
read and
we're talking about we have the
military
intelligence versus the CIA
central
intelligence versus the CIA
central
we have Democrats Republicans
you know
now of course we have Nike
versus Adidas
because Nikes got Kaepernick
and adidas
has Kanye and we have the
bank's poor
laundering money drug money
typically
and then you have the real
estate guys
like Trump who launder money
through
what we use
just call commerce just doing
private
transactions but now we always
think of
everything is a crime who cares
well I
don't care where you got your
money from
you want to buy this apartment
good here
you go
so Trump is just laughing his
ass off
and they hate him for it and I
just read
that ing and the Netherlands
just paid a
seven hundred and seventy five
million
euro claim or if a fine to the
Europeans
I guess the central bank I know
where
this ended to the EU before
money
laundering drug money
laundering because
they weren't paying close enough
attention to the deposits you
see I did
some research on this to figure
out how
to do money laundering as a
real estate
guy you means some job research
turns
out it's a good one it turns
out to be a
very good one and you can the
reason is
because it's essentially legal
completely legal you do not have
breaking any laws by being a
money
launderer if we could want to
call him
that if we even assume were
correct in
our assumptions which I believe
we are
and that is because the
restrictions on
banks taken in cash and not
reporting it
drug companies and stuff still
powdery
as one thing and you have to
redo all
these reporting's and for
example even
when we make a money transfer
if it's if
you I wait way too long it gets
over a
certain amount it gets reported
to the
IRS you know everything you do
in a
banking environment gets
reported real
estate no no holds barred there
is
nothing and then you can take
it some
guy can walk in your office of
your real
estate that with cash with cash
with a
million dollars in cash and you
just put
it into the your account is a
transaction and that's how
commerce used
to work it was and it's okay
now I don't
care where you get your money
from
podcast you know international
drug
trade what's the difference I
would
think that there's a lot of
opportunities all over the
place but the
apparently real estate is the
real
winner and can you imagine how
just to
add insult to injury these guys
also
have to lend to people like
Trump a bit
that must really gall them it's
like
he's must really gall them it's
like
doing this with their money
no wonder they want to screw
him so
badly yeah that makes nothing
but sense
to me
I love I love looking at the
Trump
through that lens it's a very
comfortable feeling feels good
money
launderer but and that's the
whole
reason for doing these big
deals I mean
he obviously got a clue he
worked with
some people that knew how to
outages and
this when he did Trump Tower as
a young
kid and he just coming with you
ever
this is gonna cost more than
you should
be paying this is how you keep
everyone
on your side all the mobsters
yeah I
would say that he definitely
has in fact
if you saw I don't have a clip
of and I
wait I was looking for I
couldn't ever
find a good clip of it Lanny
Davis
coming out and condemning CNN
for
misquoting him I have I have
yes I have
Lanny dog will play that clip
after the
donation segment cuz I want to
comment
on that oh this is have to do
with Chuck
Todd's article no oh but I can
bring
that in too yeah no I have my
comments
different that's good let's get
these
guys let's thank these yes
let's do
something producers for showed
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wasn't 1066 to Norman invasion
we could
have made that an issue in it
it's okay
anyway we have no associate
executive
producers we have for a generous
executive producers Brian
Gerard in
Bellevue Washington thank you
for your
courage my recent donation is
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overdue the instant night
option it
seemed the most appropriate for
the
unwinding of the Gordian knot
that is
the m5m I would like to be
knighted sir
skull and scrotum the Lions
sullen
scrote SKR ot spellin scrote
what is
scrote dare I ask you know what
I don't
want ask I don't want to know
that New
Jersey karma New Jersey and a
karma
furrow no jingles and a karma
for all
here we go
you've got karma so that was
$1,000
against the night donations I
love to
see that yeah a long time since
we had
an instant ight yeah it is
actually it's
been a long time we need more
and then
we have a mix I got mixed up to
me but
Jack swaboda would be next and
from
Cupertino California was 666
and he
actually did send an email
which I
believe I have yes that's the
the mark
of the beast speaking of the
beast the
beast shows up when you least
expect it
comes in as John's wife hello
and
greetings from a no agenda night
Sunday's show was spectacular
as always
in the priests dream for
unexpected
fruit really
did fruit usually it's just
Linux advice
if you check the PayPal
donation you'll
find a 333 donation that I'd
like to
accredit to Nick to
simultaneously lift
his douchebag status and begin
his
journey to in a knighthood as
always for
the fantastic deconstruction of
Maxine
was or say stay woke
this may be a 333 dollar
donation
attached and no interesting
then why may
mmmm okay that's why it might
be out of
sequence I think something in
the
spreadsheet doubled it for some
reason
as it shouldn't be wrong
something doubled it from 3 3 3
to 666
I think we should be worried
you know I
think so too
anyway so we'll give him I will
assume
is 3 3 3 because that's what he
says
here and does he ask for a
jingle or
anything oh he is a mixed by
his friend
Nick current douchebag create
this
afternoon after a drink maybe
so you
will listen to this mix and
then if we
send a mix I don't have a mix I
have a
mix no agenda and is that for
rent oh no
that's not a mix what is it
oh that's hold on that's that's
what
that's this one here we go that
one I
just received that one today is
that
from him from from from him I
don't know
I don't remember
there was no long donation note
for sure
okay well here I'm gonna play
real quick
to myself you got to hold it up
to the
microphone I did not get it
you're not
gonna hear it anyway no why are
you
doing that
no it's something different
it's not
it's nothing like that it's
it's it's a
song what's the guy what's the
guy's
name what's the guy what's the
guy's
Strabo de s wo Bo da and you
are on the
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are on the
there it is I apologize okay
I download the words that
where's the
where's the file
she bit the bottom outlook is
not
cooperating bit the bottom
outlook is not
I don't know I do not have it's
very odd
John but I do not have a 42 you
deal
with it later okay I got it
geez sorry
I know he done the files no you
what
what what Outlook yeah
use Outlook you know that moly
yeah I've
tricked it out to now where did
this
thing just go I just put it in
here that
out looks fabulous no it's not
it's
crappy where did it go out
donations
okay when to the donation
segment now
here we go okay I finally have
it okay
and the show got it it'll be in
the end
of show
like we did that ok onward it
was Scott
Richardson a happy 54th
birthday Adam
Curry he comes he went three
hundred
seventy nine dollars and thirty
cents it
gives you a happy birthday call
a happy
25th of another Adam you should
be on
the Meili on the list I'm not
sure happy
25th to another Adam my brother
Adam
Richardson mhm and then please
call out
my friend Forman as a douche
bag again
and then give him some dogs are
people
to karma you've got karma sir
Chris or
Chris Wilson did a happy
birthday song
for me but I'll play that end
of show
okay good all right now we have
last or
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who came
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actually sent in
a very short note with anybody
had the
sealing wax on it I love it I
love when
I get something with the
sealing wax on
it everyone's gathered around
the table
i choppers opening mail as look
look
sealing wax I popped it open oh
yeah I
got one I couldn't pop it open
that
easily to rip the paper a
little bit and
it stuck to the note on the
inside this
value for value is long overdue
your
analysis and delivery are truly
outstanding and unmatched and
then he
has it in emphasized boldface
type in
all the land no agenda has
helped my
critical thinking and has
undoubtedly
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but this will be two interviews
that
I've done one with Dane Jasper
this CEO
of sonic net talking about
Gigabit
Ethernet sonic net talking
about Gigabit
now why will this be
interesting to
everybody because we have a lot
of dudes
named ban and we want to hear
from a guy
who is who's actually stringing
his own
wires outside of the AT&T
infrastructure
and we're gonna talk about
gigabit why
he's an independent guy he's
like us
he's a part of a separate and
independent of the mainstream
yeah
nice so there's a like wires
out in
front my house that they these
guys came
by these trucks and say Sonic
dinette
there's string and wires not
wires but
cable but fiber so it's fiber
to the
home FDA flavor to the curb fth
yeah
yeah ft nice okay that's a dude
named
Ben yeah god I'm very
interested in that
FTTH got that right ETH yes now
on the
other one I have an exclusive
interview
with Scott Adams whoo and Scott
Wow 25
years I made it a little easier
to do
this interview now can we cut
the court
the questions you have for Dane
into
Scott's answers don't have time
for this
I have to have this produced by
tonight
oh okay so I could it would be
funny but
it wouldn't be that funny
all right but I do have a
teaser destroy
the kind of stuff we'll be
talking about
with the Scott excellent now
you said
you'd known him for 25 years I
don't
think people know that yeah
yeah why tap
dub now I've been over to his
house and
I haven't seen it for at least
I get why
he always talks to shooter
behind his
back I understand he's uh yeah
I'm very
yeah we're good actually I'd
say if I
saw him or we'd be pretty good
friends
like that'd be nice but he
here's an
eight years an example I asked
him a
question I said cuz of course
he hates
the word Trump apologist we
talked about
that a little bit in the
show uh-huh he's not he doesn't
vote he
talks about this right not a
party he
doesn't care he just likes to
analyze
things he just wants to weed to
be
legalized oh it it is well in
California
yes it is is legalized yeah uh
and he I
asked him a question I said
this at this
position you've taken which is
to you
know talk about Trump as a great
persuader or and he's but
smarted
everybody else has this hurt
has this
hurt your income or anything at
all
whatsoever cuz this is a
question I felt
I needed to ask questions I'm
sorry for
interrupting your setup it this
is the
definition of a great question
this is
the question that everybody
should be
asking him wherever he goes
they never
ask him this ever oh sure yeah
no go
ahead sorry nice she stepped on
you I
will say that I got out of him
at least
three things that I've never
heard in
fact I thought too of me ever I
wanted
you almost decided never to
talk about
but I got it you don't you
don't want to
mess with this with Dvorak he's
a real
Jesus he's a juice squeezer
I'll tell ya
okay we go oh sure yeah
probably 40% of
my income he's operated and how
many
five percent of my social
circle yeah
I'm quite an outcast and my and
I I
don't do public speaking
anymore because
it's too dangerous
you know I wouldn't feel
comfortable if
there was any publicity and you
put me
in front of a big crowd right
now cuz it
only takes one person to say
that guy
said something good about the
president's persuasion skills
he must
die so I don't think it's safe
to be in
public when people like you are
branding
me a Trump apologist
people like you did you bring
him that's
funny that's very funny
while he says he's lost 40
percent of
his income that's that's Dilbert
yeah and 75 percent of his
social circle
which does I say or you say
that's a win
that's not a loss what I would
think
you'd win yeah Tina and I'm
like hey you
know what's really great we
live with
our best friends our only
friend yeah
because we're we're best
friends we got
some kids that's about saying
that the
gun range of meet more friends
oh yeah I
got tons of friends there Reds
breads
know so that is the kind of
interview is
a nice no I can't very excited
about
that both very excited it's
very good
very good excellent I enjoyed
it that is
very nice
okay all right Oh you know we
can do
here let me see I think what we
probably
should do yes and now it's time
for your
sexual harassment we had a
full-on
sexual harassment dates but
there are
some moves things are happening
and
things are going down and we're
on top
of it and we start with a very
contrasting report from the CBC
in Kanda
Naevia where they're not paying
attention to in particular NBC
and CBS
the way we do here the south of
their
border but they have some
interesting
observations which have only
marginally
been discussed here their
resignations
were public the backlash Swift
but can
men disgraced in the me to
movement
returned to the spotlight well
this week
we saw some of the first steps
towards
comebacks comedian louis c.k
returned to
the stage for the first time
since he
was accused of masturbating in
front of
female legs page six reported
that fired
Today Show host Matt Lauer
recently told
fans quote I've been busy being
a dad
but don't worry I'll be back on
TV and
for some time it's been rumored
that
former CBS this morning host
Charlie
Rose is looking to host a new
show where
he interviews men brought down
by the
movement how am I ever gonna
get back
over my bathrobe for a second
how am I
ever gonna get back mmm I have
an idea
I'll do a show about my
colleagues tell
me about this sexuality it's in
your DNA
no ice here bind my bathrobe so
I
thought that was pretty
interesting
especially the Charley news I
didn't
realize that and it'll get on
the air
it'll happen
it'll totally help me Matt
Lauer Matt
Lauer well it's too early now
but he'll
come back this America we love
the
comeback kid as long as you eat
enough
shit it's not as your nod Cosby
ah you know what if he played
his cards
differently he could probably
come back
to but he didn't he played is
very wrong
very wrong yeah cuz America
will just
forgive you brother don't worry
about it
and I think Louis see cake he
had
already has an excuse for that
masturbation stuff if he had
said you
know because it was female
comics yeah
he was masturbating who must
have been
in front of a female comic and
if they
see what he should have said
was all I
was read
all I was doing there was
reviewing
their set okay alright I'm
surprised he
hasn't hired you yet as his
attorney big
moves over at CBS this was
breaking news
this morning we do have a story
that we
should be sharing with people
of course
involving CBS a company that of
course
there's been no shortage of
reporting on
lately what we can tell you
this morning
though is that the board of
directors of
CBS is deep in settlement talks
with the
company CEO Leslie Moonves that
would
result in his exit from a
company of
course that he has led for a
very long
time it would also mean the
appointment
of doe I&L oh the current CEO
of CBS as
its interim CEO this according
to people
who are close to the
negotiations
between Moonves and his board
now the
talks between Moonves and the
board
they've been going on for some
time and
they have yet to reach a
conclusion
given what appears to be a
continued
back and forth about moonves's
exit
package while under his
contract he's do
as much as 180 million dollars
in
severance and a production deal
sources
tell me the board right now
offering a
package that would be roughly a
hundred
million dollars made up almost
entirely
though not completely of CBS
stock rest
of it being cash but it also
wants the
right to claw back some of that
compensation if at the
conclusion of an
ongoing investigation into
charges of
sexual harassment
Moonves has been found to have
committed
other inappropriate acts
yep I like the clawback
provision that's
a really good one because if he
fights
that uh you hide something huh
you don't
want the club back do you and
we know
your name right past it
you know the clawbacks these
guys like
to do that because these
numbers are
outrageous they got a lot of
mom thing
there's something going on here
with
moon VII and I think it's the
only who
does it all seems to me that
well hold
on a second it seems to me that
once
Laur went down the next thing
you know
you have you have these three
networks
flower goes down and that
damages NBC
and who's behind it we don't
know but
the decision is made by
somebody either
the same people that took down
Lauer or
NBC's people to take down
Moonves aa CBS
cuz that's hugely damaging
because
Moonves is one of those guys
may or may
not be a jerk but he's one of
those guys
and actually in the Scott Adams
clip or
immunity you're gonna hear a
little
discussion of this sort of
thing where's
it a character is so important
to the
company he's the guy who at
some point
or us is know let's not do that
let's do
this right and those guys are
you know
they look like gentlemen a
major players
until after they're gone then
ABC gets
dinged by getting Lassiter
killed the
same kind of guy well here so I
came up
with kind of a simple
explanation for
all of this because The Daily
Beast has
also been teasing they've got a
huge
expose on Weinstein his
relationship
with Andy lack the president
over there
at NBC News I guess you know dr
tucker
carlson is all over this he's
dragging
in us Chuck Todd that he must
have known
about it they're all covering
you know
there's a lot of stuff going on
about
you know why they didn't report
on it
why they turned Ronan Farrow
away and I
think just from a simple
perspective
and this is based on other
people I've
spoken to about Harvey
Weinstein who
know him that and I'll go back
to all go
back to what patch anak said
he's just
an ugly Jew boy who and this
I'm quoting
him he's poach an ex a Jew so I
get he
gets to say that but that's
what he says
it's just an ugly Jew boy who
figured
out that you could get laid and
then the
women would gladly screw him to
get jobs
and that this network of guys
at the top
have been doing this for
decades this is
the casting couch I think
that's what's
going on and you know you now
see Asia
Argento she's read she's now
flipped the
whole story about her having
paid off
the seventeen-year-old act and
now she
says you know she was sexually
attacked
by him it's all coming off the
rails and
I think totally and I think
sadly sadly
what has happened here is you
know
through simple Pavlovian
response
mechanisms these men who have
been at
the top of their game and Trump
is the
same way come on this is the
grabber by
the pussy crowd it's not just
Trump
power is attractive you could
be ugly
our president can look pretty
ugly at
times I'm sure he's not pretty
naked
look what he's getting it's not
just
money its power and it's
attractive and
people fall for that and I
think sadly
what we've seen here is a lot of
accusations and weinstein may
get off he
may actually get off scot-free
I think
he got enough before guy yes I
was
waiting for that
so is maybe they picked the
wrong
targets but instead of saying
hey this
is war between the networks
which it
could be in a way he's going
down screw
it I'm taking him down before I
go down
I think they're all in it John
and if
they unravel that and they get
anywhere
deeper in with an ABC they main
supply
and some very very ugly stuff
that's why
I'm encouraged about this
exactly so and
there's a beautiful silver
lining to
this for megyn kelly who made
this step
from Fox to NBC as seen of
course is
traitorous because she went
over to the
to the lefty crazy
seaside and she has not found
her
footing miraculously they have
not fired
her she's got the stupid
daytime show
which it was not been working no
traction and all of a sudden
the genius
of either Meg I think it's her
and I'm
very very I'm very proud she
did this
she's decided to take on her
own network
to a degree of course but I do
have a
clip of her discussing this on
her show
as you heard in that report NBC
News
says now that quote there was
not a
single victim of or witnessed to
misconduct by Weinstein who was
willing
to be identified moreover they
say Rose
McGowan had refused to name
Weinstein
and then her lawyer sent a
cease and
desist letter in August 2017
late last
night Rose McGowan and rich
McHugh the
former NBC producer both
challenged that
assertion telling megyn kelly
today that
McGowan did go on the record
with NBC in
February 2017 after that
on-camera
interview with Farrell and that
she did
name Harvey Weinstein as her
rapist both
McGowan and rich McHugh say NBC
had this
on the record off-camera
assertion from
McGowan for eight months long
before her
letter sent a cease and desist
letter
which McHugh says was
communicated to
NBC executives in a statement
to megyn
kelly today this morning NBC
News
responded as follows quote as
the
interview transcript clearly
clearly
indicates McGowan did not name
Weinstein
as her attacker on camera in
Feb you in
the February 2017 interview the
first
time Ronan Farrow submitted a
draft
script on this story was five
months
later on July 23rd 2017 if
Farrell had
McGowan on the record but
off-camera
before that date and wanted to
proceed
with airing the story he did not
indicate that to his editors
within days
of that July 23rd draft script
being
submitted McGowan canceled the
follow-up
on-camera interview and her
attorney
sent NBC a cease and desist
letter
revoking all permission to use
the first
interview it's there's a lot to
unpack
yeah but what what we're seeing
here is
rich Dynamite she's putting a
little a
little and
so hard this is a great career
move
megyn kelly you're a genius
oh so hard for me to do my own
network
but I'm strong I can do this
Ned we're
gonna love it yes interview this
journalistic integrity this is
what
press freedom is about it's
there's a
lot fired no they can't fire
this is why
it's so genius you're gonna
fire her
because she questioned your you
bide
your time yeah but what what
we're
seeing here is rich McHugh who
just
resigned from NBC who was
Ronan's
producer on this story has now
gone
public with his accusations
that NBC he
claimed blocked the story NBC
vehemently
denying that and and saying
they didn't
have anybody they didn't have
anybody on
the record who was willing to
name him
and Rose McGowan telling us she
was on
the record that she was on the
record
for months and they didn't use
the
statement and you heard NBC's
saying if
that's true it wasn't
communicated up
the line and and now you have
that there
that's a dispute now between
NBC and the
reporters on the story but this
is
getting it's getting really in
the weeds
and it's getting really
uncomfortable
it's like oh it's almost like I
was like
I have Braxton Hicks
contractions it's
almost like oh that I have to
credit you
and Ricky for discussing it
right here
brilliant career move
outstanding she's just
outstanding you
watch her fly now this is gonna
be great
she's gonna be doing interviews
everywhere about her tough
stance
against her own company so but
you know
this would journalists do if
she plays
it right I don't know who's
representing
her but if she plays it right
that's the
way to go and we will see and
with all
this just to wrap this up and
make it
real simple after we heard
Twitter the
Twitter stuff and we've all we
all see
what's going on in Twitter that
we hear
about this hashtag nice to
stuff I'm
going to take the veil away
from your
eyes because every human being
on this
earth either has or will cheat
you will
have infidelity in your life
those who
have been through it and it
didn't turn
out so well you probably won't
do it
again so well you probably
won't do it
everybody has horrible thoughts
about
everybody else and given the
chance to
do that safely they will say it
we're
a-holes that safely they will
say it we're
happy humanity day everybody
and this
concludes your sexual
harassment update
thanks for putting the show on
a down
note yeah well I could do some
up stuff
come on just play the foamer
again that
brings us back to normal
oh yeah this is our go-to show
level the
humor back to normal
yes we do need that hold on you
want to
do some climate stuff not
really I want
to get some politics out of the
way
which oh no not more politics
oh okay
climate the climate was the
latest
climate thing that the one of
the tennis
players lost the game according
to the
New York Times because of
climate change
you see that because it was hot
and she
took her that her a veteran no
the US
Open game because of climate
change
Trump I knew didn't lose or die
I knew
Trump had something to do with
it well
no hold on I got to climate
change
things in the media which is
always fun
I do not watch the show
elementary do
you watch the show elementary
yes I do
well I'm surprised you haven't
brought
this clip to the table then all
right
there probably was a tip I
remember when
recently that I was gonna pull
by it
never did this is probably this
is a
FEMA flood that kidnappers were
making
redraw flood zones care to let
the rest
of us in FEMA the federal
government is
in charge of determining the
risk of
flooding for everywhere in the
country
that can hear Norman Lear
tapping away
the keyboard and maps like this
break
the flood risks down into zones
red is
the highest risk orange is
second and so
on highest risk orange is
second and so
there used to plan emergency
responses
and to say who needs flood
insurance and
how much but with climate
change and
rising sea levels FEMA husband
redoing
all the old maps redoing all
the maps
there's a staggering amount of
data that
goes into these measuring then
a lot of
it comes down to statistical
analysis
the likelihood of X event
happening in Y
number of years Oh
p-nut p-values it takes forever
I mean I
heard from a colleague recently
that the
maps we were working on back
then are
just entering the public review
phase
now so you a map sound official
yet no
and your captors wanted you to
change
the math that Harlan was doing
in order
to make maps look different
it's total
Climategate storyline yeah it
kind of
was it wasn't as good as the
other
elementary clip if you recall
that I
played is not a first time we
visited
the show somebody's writing
these
scripts about the patent
stealing
when the government can't find
a good
patent and they just steal it
you don't
get credit yeah that was just a
couple
shows ago yeah that was
Elementary ah
okay ago yeah that was
Elementary ah
well you've spurred people on
because I
don't watch the show it was
sent to me
it's a I enjoy these mysteries
I like to
I know the structure of a of a
detective
story and I'm always trying to
see they
break it very rarely but most
of time
they don't and for people who
like to
watch these things or want to
follow the
basic theories of these stories
they're
all the same and typically just
for your
information when you're
watching one of
these just verse for your
health the
first person you see is the
killer the
first person on screen is
always the
killer person on screen is
always the
well not that mean that the main
characters by talking about the
first
person it has anything to do
where
they're asking about the murder
old
bills dead not actually 90% of
all them
are detective story murder
mysteries the
first person did it and the
rest of the
story is all misdirection
ayah and the way elementary
does it
which i think is one of the
best models
they do misdirection and then
the
misdirection itself leads to
the guy who
did it who is the first person
and the
story very well structured
except it's
completely deconstruct Abul and
therefore no fun once you know
the the
formal detective stories are
deconstructed they're all the
same
well the CBC uncovered
something quite
literally that should be very
alarming
to all of us it's been a summer
full of
Records and extremes just take
a look at
BC the province is now
officially
dealing with its worst wildfire
season
on record in terms of hectares
burned
and that's meant smoky skies
for much of
Western Canada
this is Calgary skyline I'm
sort of
let's not forget Montreal's
deadly
heatwave back in July but we're
not the
only ones feeling the effects
of extreme
temperature ones feeling the
effects of extreme
have a look at Europe for
summer has
felt like a modern-day version
of
biblical plagues and just when
you
thought biblical plagues the
warning
signs couldn't get any worse
bring in
the hunger stones located in
the Czech
Republic along the Elbe River
the rocks
were used to record low water
levels but
starting centuries ago when
those water
levels got dangerously low bad
enough to
result in droughts and terrible
harvests
past generations wrote notes on
those
rocks warnings to the people of
the
future like this one a message
from 1904
saying if you see me weep at
least a
dozen of these hunger stones
and the
Czech Republic and Germany have
now
appeared no one knows how many
there
really are oh my goodness a
giant global
warming in 1904 what was going
on back
then all I know is I'm reading
another
stone and here's what it says
you might
got the hunger I'd like the
hunger stone
the hunger stones is great I've
never
heard of this I liked it I
think it's a
title for a book hunger stones
yeah bunch of kids that kill
each other
with rocks yeah that's creative
the
hunger stones and that is your
climate
update everybody we're all
gonna die
play this clip cuz I don't
remember what
it is this is the sieve it says
CBS n I
must be CNBC looking at fire
idiot
comments so when you look at Bob
Woodward's okay yeah we should
talk
about this this is Bob
Woodward's got a
book I called fire this is
latest thing
and it played it I love this I
love the
book I love the op-ed and all
the whole
story is great
so some phony-baloney op-ed
came out
which is really about the book
because
they've everybody played it the
same way
all that's doing is confirming
Bob
Woodward's book it's completely
it's
completely about the by Mac if
you want
to just run through it's very
short it's
not a long essay but I just
made I
brought down some comments on
even but
why bother reading it because
if you if
you listen to the ABC well
actually ABC
I didn't play though I didn't
clip the
whole thing but ABC didn't let
me here's
the background err this is the
intro
this is a 45 second intro to
what
becomes a for all practical
purposes a
complete paragraph by paragraph
reading
of this stupid essay but play
this ABC
clip version with that
unprecedented
move something we have never
seen before
a letter published late today
by the New
York Times written by someone
inside the
Trump administration an
anonymous senior
official describing what it's
like
inside the White House inside
this
administration saying I work
for the
president but like-minded
colleagues and
I have vowed to thwart part of
the
president's agenda and his worst
inclinations the senior
official writing
in that letter we know what is
happening
adding quote there is a quiet
resistance
within the administration to
put country
first tonight the president
tweeting
just moments ago a one-word
question
treason and it all comes 24
hours after
Bob Woodward's bombshell book
ABC's
chief White House clinic
Jonathan Karl -
leading us off rinse
coincidence no
incidents Jonathan Karl for all
practical purposes reads the
entire
essay it's unbelievable I mean
it goes
on for five minutes now yet
it was it was ridiculous but on
the
other side I think a very good
two-minute rundown of the whole
thing
which includes some clips from
from the
from the essay
not the book but talks about
the book
this is the insider slam this
is Hallie
Jackson an NBC who I think does
a much
better job is still anti-trump
reporter
but much better job than
Jonathan Karl
an extra arm see inside out
jaw dropping charges against the
president by someone who says
they
worked for him an anonymous
source
describing a secret cluster of
top aides
quote working diligently from
within to
frustrate parts of his agenda
and his
worst inclinations I would know
the
author writes I am one of them
the New
York Times late today
publishing that
op-ed choosing not to share who
wrote it
but describing them as an
official whose
job would be jeopardized if
their
identity was revealed the
headline I am
part of the resistance inside
the Trump
administration when you tell me
about
some anonymous source within the
administration probably who's
failing
and probably here for all the
wrong
reasons probably here for all
the wrong
if the failing New York Times
has an
anonymous editorial can you
believe it
anonymous we're doing a great
job
the writer praising some of the
president's successes but
arguing
they've come despite not
because of his
leadership style describing
half-baked
ill-informed and occasionally
reckless
decisions that have to be
walked back at
one point the official
describes early
whispers within the cabinet of
invoking
the 25th amendment to remove the
president but no one wanted to
precipitate a constitutional
crisis
Americans should know that
there are
adults in the room the person
rights we
fully recognize what is
happening and we
are trying to do what's right
even when
Donald Trump won't the
explosive op-ed
echoes the portrait painted in a
bombshell new book of a chaotic
White
House driven by dysfunction the
president doesn't believe any
of it
the book never stops
to fiction everything on the
Trump
rotation dot-com Trump rotation
calm
everything with very few
exceptions on
that list are put into these
reports
it's like an but it's also in
the
article yes in the article to
boppin
it's like the Trump rotation
they still
don't know how to focus on him
they need
a lesson in formats and
rotations
they're just shotgunning the
entire list
that we put online which is the
Trump
rotation calm you can read it by
everything that everyone said
that's bad
about they everything except
the orange
faces in these comments and
then when I
play a later clip with John
Kerry he
manages to bring that if you
look back
at Woodward's past he had the
same
problem with other presidents
he likes
to get publicity sell some
books the
book's author Bob would work
one of the
most well respected journalists
of his
generation who's reporting
helped bring
down Richard Nixon for the
American
people why should they believe
you over
Bob Woodward every time we
wrote a book
they were complaining about it
they were
complaining about the lack of
accuracy
Woodward tells NBC News he
stands by his
reporting and the president
tonight
seemed to refer to that
anonymous op-ed
with a tweet of just a single
word
treason and the press secretary
is now
calling the writer a coward
saying
whoever it was should resign
all of it
Lester it was should resign all
of it
kaping yet another
extraordinary and
explosive day inside this West
Wing
this thing is so
multi-dimensional
there's so many things at play
here
including you know the treason
and
anonymous sources and chaos and
then
please just add to that that Bob
Woodward who brought down a
president
every single member you see to
every
talking head you see on
television
dreams of Bob Woodward they've
got into
journalism because of Bob
Woodward they
want to be Byrnes
Woodward and Bernstein they
want to be
that so badly this guy is the
Pope of
news so badly this guy is the
Pope of
he cannot be questioned
cannot and the obvious
collusion between
the book and this op-ed and I
just want
to pull a few things out in the
CIA well
yeah we'll get to that in a
second so
first of all the New York Times
in their
opening let's just because they
gloss
over that a little bit and
here's what
the time said about their
anonymous op
opinion editor The Times today
is taking
the rare step of publishing an
anonymous
op eds a oh it is Nessa we have
done set
what is the definition of an
essay
that's it you know yeah an ese
heels
like a short a short exposition
of some
idea or thought or or something
to
promote is a million things but
this is
an essay most all op eds RS we
have done
so at the request of the author
comma a
senior official in the Trump
administration whose identity
is known
to us and whose job would be
jeopardized
by its disclosure we believe
publishing
this essay anonymously is the
only way
to deliver an important
perspective to
our readers we invite you to
submit a
question about the essay or a
vetting
process here and I just put a
few
annotations in there in this
note
there's the following in
addition to his
mass marketing of the notion
that the
press is the enemy of the people
president Trump's impulses are
generally
anti trade and anti-democratic
well this
I mean who in the White House
at this
point does not know I'm sure
that the
message has gone out hey the
president
actually said fake news and
maybe he had
he added CNN in there one sort
of the
one or two times worth a
thousand times
he said it but ok then there's
this
meetings with him veer off
topic and off
the rails he engages in
repetitive rants
and his impulsiveness results in
half-baked ill-informed and
occasionally
reckless decisions that have to
be
walked back I believe this to
be true
from a a certain perspective it
may look
that way because it is but it's
healthy
I think how the guy works he
has a knack
for finding the right people to
be
around him doesn't mind getting
rid of
them when they're not good
enough for
not performing and he doesn't
really
even blame them typically he's
like it's
not working out I look like a
dick
you're gone and he throws stuff
out left
and right he's hyperkinetic and
for some
reason and i've seen i were
talking
about this last night john we
know lots
of people like this well let me
tell you
a little scott adams anecdote
oh good
this story was breaking when i
was
showing up a Scott's house and
we're
talking about it for a little
while out
on the interview but how's this
crib by
the way is it is a nice
relationship
it's like is it did you
his girlfriend him no she
wasn't is he
getting married to her I don't
he didn't
say um and I don't usually pry
and it I
sort of think yeah I do yeah
well you do
he says I don't see what the
big deal is
this sounds like because you
know you
have to remember that Scott and
we
talked a little bit about this
on this
show but he he does office is
basically
all his cartoons are about
again in
office it's an office
environment uh-huh
and he's been into offices and
he's
knows that the mechanisms he
says I
don't see that this is anything
more
than typically some guy
bitching and
moaning about his boss exactly
which is
exactly what I think - this is
like some
growl sir this is I neither guy
stick I
mean I've often in many of
office
environments thought the boss
was an
idiot thought the boss was an
absolutely pretty much
everywhere but
how about this oh why is this
such a
revelation all of a sudden I'll
give me
an example my friend Michelle
and you
know rip Michelle because he
owns the
strip bars and the restaurants
and the
big entertainment complex in
Guildford
and also the house and near San
Tropez
will we have vacationed and
Michelle is
illiterate and he'll say Adam
could you
please just write this for me
he'll get
hand me his phone to write
something a
business text cuz that's how he
does
business like in like anything
I'm
illiterate I can't write I
can't write I
can barely read you know
they'll send
him an article it says just can
you just
call me and tell me what that
he can't
read and the guy is wildly
successful
has tonton well not in
everything has
tons of money you know not a
worry in
the world really yeah and he
and I see
his his staff I've seen his
secretaries
you know save his ass his
daughter like
daddy daddy you can't do that
you got to
do it this way okay and you
know this
off the rails thing he knows
how to take
direction from other people it
seems I
know people like this and it's
odd and
you see it a lot in real estate
you see
it in farming you see it in
factory
everywhere you see it everywhere
right what am I talking about
and so
this is a style that works and
you is
successful or not and yeah so
this just
bitching about his boss exam my
note
actually said normal people are
bitching
about their boss now I have a
couple of
things to read from this thing
cuz I
thought this was so I believe
this even
though it's somebody bitched
about their
boss I don't believe anybody I
still
think this was planted by the
agency
because to get Woodward's book
out there
and the agency we know well one
thing I
before you get into that two
more things
one at the bottom it says the
writer is
a senior official in the Trump
administration that could be a
lot of
people - it is definitely
definitely not
military or military
intelligence
because of the entire two
paragraphs
about McCain his farewell
letter we may
no longer have Senator McCain
we will
always have his example a
lodestar a
lodestar load a lodestar what
is a
lodestar well the look a
lodestone is
what I am lodestar while you're
looking
at up a lodestar anybody who
writes
lodestar in my office should be
fired
for restoring honor to public
life in
our national dialogue mr. Trump
may fear
such honorable men but we
should revere
them that is not a military
person no no
or is a star that's used to
guide the
course of a ship especially
Polaris so
nobody in their right mind
would use
that word guiding light would
be a
better term if you wanted to
use you
have no idea
nobody wanted to follow McCain
when he
was landing trust me well he
killed
about McCain so here I'm
reading this
this is the dis again the CIA is
notorious for kind of running
the New
York Times there's plenty of
examples of
how that works
operation Mockingbird it's out
in the
public we put this in there
again and
Woodward is in the book a
family of
secrets everyone should we have
read
this book by now is Woodward
came out of
military and tell it Naval
Intelligence
I believe where
the word lodestar would be used
perhaps
Woodward himself could have
written this
and then I'm not buying the
whole whole
I mean I don't think they'd
live a
senior official but it's
possible that
well here's the result
okay no go ahead no keep going
I'm sorry
I thought you were just
grasping which
is the yeah this is a dis is a
scam I
think that the two belong
together and
it's a scam and I have some
thoughts but
he read a couple of pieces from
it
you've read a couple although
he was now
when I read that I'm gonna
deconstruct
this paragraph for one thing
nobody who
is was very long sentences very
the
structure itself is not typical
of a
government bureaucrat senior
official or
not I just say that although he
was
elected because the editors
come in
maybe the editors did screwed
with it
although he was elected as a
Republican
Republican the president shows
little
affinity for ideals long
espoused by
conservatives wait a minute he
wasn't
elected as a conservative he
was elected
as a Republican mm-hmm so now
they've
mixed up so all of a sudden
Republicans
or conservatives or
conservatives a
Republican they're synonymous
and he was
elected as a conservative by
the way
they structured this bullcrap
he was
elected as a Republican they
got that
right but then they switch it to
conservative he was he shows
little
affinities for ideas long
espoused by
conservatives okay he was
elected as
Republican not as a
conservative free
minds I don't see any
difference of free
markets and free people free
minds free
markets and free people the
things
espoused by conservatives are
liberty
and freedom so they get one of
them in
here liberty and freedom and
and the
Democrat side or the
progressive side is
the other one which is equality
in
justice this is a theme that
was pointed
out in the show long ago and
freedom and
liberty ism is the conservative
side not
free minds free markets and
free people
free your mind and your dress
man follow
it Nace's at best
he has invoked these ideals and
scripted
settings had worse he has
attacked them
outright had worse he has
attacked them
yes he's attacked it as he
attacked free
minds he's attacked it as he
attacked free
do you know of yes he's living
rent free
and a lot of them these days
now as kind
of as kind of a bat walk back
that this
guy did who or woman who wrote
this
thing they throw these
gratuitous
compliments and just as it's
code for
something and I'm not sure why
they're
doing it just maybe so they can
soften
the blow of the critics so two
paragraphs later he says or she
don't
get me wrong I would like to
run this
through I have I have the
feeling it's a
man by the way that by the
writing style
these are bright spots that the
near
ceaseless negative coverage of
the
administration fails to capture
these
there are no I'm sorry there
are bright
spots so he said don't get me
wrong
there are bright spots and
dimensions
effective deregulation which
took some
leadership historic tax reform
which
took some leadership and a more
robust
military and more but then it
continues
these successes have come
despite the
president's leadership style
which is
impetuous adversarial petty and
ineffective if it's ineffective
how do
these things get done well he's
saying
that the burek the bureaucracy
is doing
it but some bureaucracies not
gonna do
that tax break are you ready
for me get
it do you have an opinion on
who this is
and what's going on I don't
have an
opinion on who it is No
okay I have an opinion of what
went down
it's just the theory please
address me
as a conspiracy theorist
because I'm a
conspiracy theory I'm proud of
that
monster this was set up by John
Kelly
his three people involved
John Kelly who is Trump's
handler on
behalf of the defense
intelligence
apparatus it was really
managing the guy
and is very tired but he
manages the guy
we know the military is running
the show
right now it's been CIA for
eight years
and now it's back to the
military
involved where Kellyanne Conway
and the
Raj guy and Trump did not know
about it
and they set it up they gave
Woodward all kinds of great
things I'm
sure Kelly called them a moron
or
whatever I'm sure all of that
happened
because what is the message of
the book
and what is accentuated to put
the the
exclamation point behind the
message in
the New York Times is
it's a shit show
but there are adults in the
room there's
nothing to worry about people
and that
is in effect true that's what
Kelly
knows because that's how things
have
been running and that's what
things are
actually getting done I think
Trump got
in on it I think that they told
him and
that's when he he might have
gone a
little too far with the trees
and they
got a tell but he'll be able to
play
that for a long time and
that'll change
the new cycle everyone will be
focused
on Ken the New York Times do
that and is
it treasonous it's that's why I
think he
invoked the t word treason I
think the
message is don't worry adults
in the
room as you can tell the making
stuff
work hey we'll even take
something off
someone's desk off the guy's
desk if we
have to and look how good
everything's
going that's the message
and I think it's an argue the
message
I'm going to argue the genesis
because
there has to be a middleman
some schmuck
some Schmo a schlemiel perhaps
who takes
us in walks us to the New York
Times
there's no way that the people
you
mentioned can take and walk
this to the
New York Times without getting
busted
for it right some someone
someone is a
very big patriot
and it's going to go down who
maybe used
to work for the Obama
administration who
had a plenty of them in there
that can
walk over there and they could
you know
they covered they covered for
him
well it's problems it's
probably the
national security guy who
already what's
his name dan coats thing could
be him
could be it could be it could
be larry
cudlow it sounds a bit like the
way
larry cudlow it's but the larry
cudlow
would i mean he loves Trump he
wants to
sleep tonight that but he would
they'd
bust him and he would he's
frail he's
fragile right now he's gonna do
it he
can't it's not an act of duty
he's not
one of those guys who would do
two who
doesn't who do thinks this come
this is
a complex this is a complex
mechanism to
sell a lot of Woodward's books
what Woodward wins no matter
what yeah
well which does so you so okay
so what
you're saying is it did happen
and and
the New York Times thought this
was cute
and there are idiots because
they're
actually sending you you agree
with the
message so they're sending that
message
is that don't don't they want
to screw
the president as much as
possible they
don't think that dimensionally
gotcha
and because they're journalists
at heart
and they're just you know
they're just
knee-jerk reactors as look we
got look
what we got oil they're like a
bunch of
little rats
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yeah okay now there was
something we
were going to discuss it there
was we
had a setup about Chuck Todd
and his
article which he wrote about
journalism
okay can I get these clips out
of the
way and then I think we can go
there
yeah because I they're kind of
similar
relate first I want to play the
seat
this is CBS and that's what
that is it
actually is CB I said this is
the I want
to make a comment about this is
that
show they have online it's like
the
24-hour news of CBS and this is
the fire
the idiot comment which seems
interesting to me anyway but
Trump so
when you look at Bob Woodward's
book at
least the parts that we know
have been
reported about you break down
some of
the specific claims it's
interesting
defense secretary James Madison
eyes
that he compared President
Trump to a
fifth or sixth grader chief of
staff
John Kelly denied calling the
president
unhinged or an idiot the
president
appears to have accepted those
denials
but how do these kinds of
disclosures
and these these assertions and
in this
book how do they complicate the
ability
of Jim mattis and a chief of
staff John
Kelly to do their job Sabrina
well
obviously there is a breakdown
of trust
and presumably now know John
Kelly has
had to refute multiple reports
about
what he has said about the
president the
ways in which he has
characterized him
and they have continued to be
able to
weather those controversies but
do
recall that when Steve been and
made
derogatory comments about the
president's son and the meeting
at Trump
Tower with the Russians in
Michael
Wolf's book that led to a very
public
and dramatic rift between the
president
and the former chief strategist
in his
White House now now that was
then and
this is now Steve Bennett is of
course
different than John Kelly and
James
Madison a lot more enduring and
their
ability to continue and carry
out their
jobs but but we'll see if there
are
going to be any ramifications
from these
comments that that they say
they haven't
made but again it's anyone's
guess
you'll recall also Rex
Tillerson it was
reported that he referred to the
President as
and that was something that he
did not
necessarily deny and that did
continue
that did continue in a road
their
relationship and eventually was
part of
the reason why he was forced
out of the
job huh now I want to just say
that I
don't believe these guys are
lying when
they said they never said these
things
that I doubt if they did
because the
things that most of those guys
are
quoted as saying is right off
the Trump
rotation yeah someone set him
on TV yeah
not necessarily Kelly and then
they both
denied it Tillerson would never
deny it
he just says he wanted to talk
about it
so Tillerson probably did call
Trump an
idiot that's what I have to
assume now
the last thing I have for this
whole
thing series is John Kerry well
they're
clips aren't too long I'm
picked a very
short John Kerry's the
unluckiest guy in
the world look at that head
well besides
his head and the fact that this
guy's
does weird eyebrows at that
flake
everything is watermelon head
lizard he
just came out with a book Oh
what he has
a book too John where's our
bonus book
he's like no one's gonna buy
his book
because he's can't get any
publicity so
they didn't drag him on I think
the only
reason he showed up on the
morning show
and they preface it I don't
have the
clip of the preface but they
put John
Dickerson prefaced it by saying
Simon &
Schuster's owned by CBS and
that's why
we've got this guy on so those
words but
he pretty much said that he
fought in
the Vietnam War and became an
anti-war
activist when he returned home
in 1984
he was elected to the US Senate
he
served for 28 years including
his
chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations
Committee of the Senate Foreign
Relations
most recently he served as
President
Obama's Secretary of State he
was the
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climate
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mr. secretary good morning
thank you
John that's under the guise of
disclaimer like we're forced to
do this
you're with you speaking of the
presidents and presidency you
had an
interview on Face the Nation to
which
the hold on a second job was
this at
2:00 in the morning on CBC is
cbsn no no
this is not CBS and this is the
morning
show the oh oh I thought it was
the
online thing oh I'm sorry I was
the
other okay president President
Trump
tweeted about you possibly
running for
president and he said I should
only be
so lucky
what's your response to that
well you
know the president I I'm really
not
going to get into a back and
forth on
tweets you know I could give
him a
nickname Agent Orange or
something I'm
just giving you just um I can't
give you
anything yet but to catch this
that this
guy has a book out and the
reason you
write a book is to run for
president and
he can't even he has to go up
on his you
know the publishers have to
make sure he
gets some airtime
this is this is I feel bad for
him it's
pathetic it's really sad and
then we'll
call imagine orange oh my
goodness
people who have I call him a
big jerk a
guys will ugly bastard I want a
pussy
grabber gonna get into a
back-and-forth
on tweets you know I could give
him a
nickname Agent Orange or
something and I
could get back and forth but it
doesn't
take you anywhere the president
uses
tweets as a weapon of mass
distraction
and he obviously has exposed
the world
to the potential of a weapon of
mass
destruction in Iran hello 2016
called
they want their memes back John
Kerry by
pulling out of a deal that
everybody in
the world supports so I I'd
rather stay
on the substance because he
wants to
distract it and get into a
fight I want
to stay on the real mrs. point
though
because he's saying he hopes
you run
because he believes he could
beat you is
what he's saying what he says
look
nothing he says can you can
believe and
you always know there's a
different
motive so let's not even get
into that
what's important is frankly in
my book I
lay out the challenge to our
country
it's not it's not a policy book
that's
what's important it's
story of a life that shows how
we can
confront the challenge that we
face in
America today oh that sounds
like a
snooze wants to read that book
nobody's gonna read this is
gonna be a
big show me where someone
called Trump a
moron behind his back that's a
book now
this was a kicker here that I
thought
was worth flipping out and to
me it was
like the eye roll or of the
hold of the
whole date deal and that's
that's really
more important frankly than
listening to
a guy who as president United
States
can't even go to the funeral of
a war
hero he was uninvited he was
not invited
he was uninvited he was
specifically
told not to go and so he gets
slammed by
this jerk it's like 24 hours
since John
McCain was put to death he
didn't know
what the situation was
I believe that believe he
didn't know
news flash there a lot of touch
film at
11:00 flash there a lot of
touch film at
please so how do you tie this
into Chuck
Todd's article all right
well and and there's a reason
for doing
this now with September 11 is
coming up
in five days there you're gonna
be gonna
be crushed to death with
September 11
stuff and truth or stuff and
you name it
we're not gonna do that
on the no agenda show but I do
have some
history some recent history
that I think
is worth listening to to
understand the
interaction between government
intelligence sources and the
media and
people who seriously are
considered
journalists New York Times
journalists
and are performing actual
journalism now
the the reason I got on this is
because
somehow I someone tweeted a
link about
this article that Chuck Todd
had written
apparently he's also a guest
editor at
the Atlantic which I don't know
what
guest editor means if he has
time for
that and you know he's due to
be he
hosts Meet the Press this
prestigious
spot you know he's seen as some
of that
Tim Russert rubbed off on it
and in his article which I
presume you
read John I'm sure your Lib
joes have
been talking about it no no no
I'm just
all news to me I'm listening
intently oh
it's titled it's time for the
press to
stop complaining and to start
fighting
back oh yeah no I knew about
this yeah
I'm sorry I did read it and the
subhead
is a nearly 50 year campaign of
vilification inspired by Fox
News's
Roger Ailes always easy to
blame the
Dead Guy has left many Americans
distrustful of media outlets now
journalists need to speak up
for their
work and paragraph two there's
a new
kind of campaign underway one
of that
most of my colleagues and I
have never
publicly reported on never fully
analyzed and never fully
acknowledged
the campaign to destroy the
legitimate
legitimacy of the American news
media
and so this whole thing goes on
about
how you know everyone's a
student of
Roger Ailes and it's all
discredit and
fair and you're fair and
balances uh
it's all tricks and Trump is
out to
destroy everything and it's
1984 George
Orwell everything everything's
in there
and we're journals and we're
trying to
save you merica screw murca the
world
we're trying to save you and of
course
words your nose we're lip jobs
sometimes
we get things wrong we always
correct
and take responsibility no they
don't
oh really Chuck so I decided to
pull two
clips from the archives the
total will
be about seven minutes of
airtime unless
we interrupt them which we may
want to
and the first one is from 2016
this is
September 11th 2016 so we have
not had
the election yet and Paul
Wolfowitz who
was the deputy department deputy
secretary of defense during
9/11 is on
the show now what you'd expect
is for
Chuck Todd to say you know man
we really
all got this wrong with the
weapons of
mass destruction with the
aluminum tubes
and you know and as journalists
we feel
pretty screwed and you know
it's like
we're really sorry all these
people died
because we got it wrong in Iraq
is there
any of that
no he all he does is deflect
blames everybody else so does
Wolfowitz
by the way and so after we
listen to
Chuck Todd not taking
responsibility not
apologizing blaming his inside
sources
then we'll go to the genesis of
the
weapons of mass destruction
with a Joel
Jon Stewart interview which
will remind
you how refreshing Jon Stewart
was in
2015 before Trump was on the
scene and
before everyone lost their mind
so first Chuck Todd with Paul
Wolfowitz
let me go back to this issue
here we are
a 911 it was mostly Saudis Saudi
nationals that flew those
planes into
those towers
nobody from Iraq and there's a
lot of
people that look today and go
why was
that our first action why was
that yes
we went in Afghanistan but why
was that
our first actually why didn't
we ever
hold Saudi Arabia accountable
yeah why
didn't you report on a Chuck
Todd you
could make a case that a lot
more Saudis
were fuel were funding and
fueling these
terrorist attacks
you know what Saudi money and
things
like that then anybody in a
walk look
there is a big problem with
what the
Saudis have been doing in
propagating
extremist versions of Islam and
I hope
that people right when they say
the new
crown prince or deputy Crown
Prince what
concerned us about a-rockin
people want
to forget this but everybody
believed in
Saddam was doing his best to
convince us
that he had weapons of mass
destruction
in fact we knew he had he had
previously
had anthrax he had previously
had sarin
he was previously working on
nuclear
weapons and that of course is
what we
had the phony-baloney anthrax
scare in
Florida because that's what we
all knew
that's what we all reported on
because
the inside Intel sources had
told us and
he made it clear after he was
captured
that he intended to start all
of those
programs again once the
sanctions
related he was a real danger
and that's
why there was a focus on you it
was hold
on stop it
Saddam was denying that he said
he says
that Saddam was making everyone
think he
had the weapons he was going
out of his
way to deny he let the
inspectors is he
talking about he's lying and
Chuck Todd
is right there letting him
blame other
people he was captured that he
intended
to start all and by the way
where's the
journalist Chuck Todd saying
what you
just said he's not there
programs again
once the sanctions were lifted
he was a
real danger and that's why
there was a
focus on weapons and
destruction and people say
after the
fact that Bush lied and got us
into a
war he wasn't lying he was
saying what
everyone believed is it bad
intelligence
you know somebody got us into
this now
listen to Chuck Todd what he's
doing
like he had no role in this and
then was
it bad but everybody believed
it oh you
mean like Russian collusion
everybody
believed it it was everyone it
was we
knew yeah this is my point
obviously and
somebody convinced the United
States
Congress that weapons of mass
destruction were imminent in in
Iraq
which is why so many Democrats
and
Republicans voted for this war
so they
lied I think they'd written
liars Saddam
Hussein who lied about what he
had and
we discovered he had more later
it seems
he was lying that he had more
than he
really did have because he
wanted to
supposedly deceive the Iranians
fumble
he had more than he said he had
but
something yeah okay the fact is
every
intelligence service in the
world not
just the Americans the British
the
jurors everybody
the French countries that
oppose 97% of
all intelligence sources in the
war all
believed that he had weapons of
mass
destruction gee are you doing
it are you
now concerned at this
essentially we
were wrong and if you think
about the
public have you ever considered
we were
wrong not Chuck Todd got it
wrong no no
we were wrong because that's
all you're
reporting is Chuck Todd is just
parroting what you're told by
your
reliable sources and it got a
lot of
people killed are you do are
you now
concerned that this essentially
we were
wrong and if you think about the
public's lack of trust for
government
right now that's one of the
reasons
that's one of the things over
the last
15 years when you talk about
Wall
Street's of inability to to be
truthful
to us and that now has
undermined trust
in government you do you believe
undermine trust in government
then
remember this is just before the
election we what what's what's
trust in
government got to Wall Street
being
dishonest was then what's he
talking
about Wall Street let's listen
to that
again I wasn't focusing on the
Wall
Street Portland it was lack of
trust for
government right now back a
little
further right now back a little
supposedly to see the Iranians
the fact
is every intelligence service
in the
world not just the Americans
the British
the Germans the French
countries that
oppose us in the war all
believe that he
had weapons of mass destruction
gee are
you do you are you now
concerned that
this essentially we were wrong
and if
you think about the public's
lack of
trust for government right now
that's
one of the reasons that's one
of the
things over the last 15 years
when you
talk about Wall Street's of
inability to
to be truthful to us and that
now has
undermined trust in government
you know
he's just whatever he's doing
he's not
saying hey maybe of the trust
in the
media was undermined because
you kept
telling us one thing and it
turned out
not to be true
we did bother looking into it
on the eve
of the election where everyone
said 95
98 percent Hillary Clinton's
going to
win do you find it strange
Chuck Todd
that there's a loss of faith
and trust
in the media do you believe
that look I
think it's done a lot of harm
but I
think in fact stating
falsehoods like
saying that Bush lied about it
is does a
lot of harm as well I believe
that if we
had had a better strategy in
Iraq from
the beginning lied about it if
the surge
type strategy had been
implemented from
the beginning Iraq would look
very
different today people would
see the
whole issue in a very different
light
yeah I know okay so now again
this was
from 2016 just before the
current
election now we're gonna go
back and
this is my final clip and this
is you
know this is really it's a
piece of
history but it was also so
refreshing to
hear John Stewart not be a
blithering
idiot and believing in what the
intelligence sources said he is
completely undressing Judith
Miller of
the New York Times Judith
Miller is the
one who wrote every article
about the
weapons of mass destruction she
was
getting its spoon-fed from the
intelligence sources and she is
only
blaming them no responsibility
on the
part of the New York Times but
what's
lovely about this clip is that
you
understand welcome to mr. Rogers
neighborhood this clip is
lovely what is
really funny what is lovely
about this
clip is that Stewart is real
he's like
no agenda
the way he used to be before he
got
blindsided by you know Hillary
not
winning or whatever his problem
was that
whatever everyone's problem is
this is
how it used to be on The Daily
Show when
we loved it with Judith Miller
the woman
who wrote about the weapons of
mass
destruction the aluminum tubes
and she's
there promoting her book and he
is gonna
pull her apart you wrote an
article this
is a September 8th 2011 right
this was
the the big article it said the
u.s.
says husain intensifies quest
for a bomb
parts you mean Michael Gordon
and I
wrote an article sure page a
New York
Times next to a giant picture
of never
forget 9/11 it was right around
the
first there it is in memory of
9/11
front page the information came
from the
Bush administration yes broadly
speaking
yes it came from intelligence
analysts
and people in the Bush
administration
yes you came from the Bush
administration right right so
you write
this article right and you have
somebody
named David Albright who is
your source
for whether or not this claim
is wrong
no he wasn't a he's an expert
he's an
expert okay and he's the guy
you rely on
and Trust to tell you if this
is wrong
all right know one of several
experts
because opinion is divided and
you have
to ask a lot of different
people she's
the expert that you write in
your book
that you trust that you're
desperately
trying to reach yes I was
desperately
trying to reach him yes
couldn't reach
him so you just went with it
well
because we had other sources
other
sources the guy in Bush's
office Joseph
who he didn't know who my name
in the
book but not in the article no
but I
named Charles Dilfer in the
article when
I named who was the chief
weapons
inspector and we named Ahmed
Chalabi and
said that he was the man who
wanted to
take us to war right so that
you could
evaluate the information we had
that we
are telling him to spread that
information we had reported
that many
times okay so we we know we're
paying
them so we're paying or the Bush
administration is paying these
guys to
spread information about Saddam
Hussein's weapons of mass
destruction at
the same time this is happening
dick cheney's going on
television in
August and saying there's
nuclear
program there's all these
things and in
September they begin what's
called the
White House a rock group yes
and that's
a group of Karl Rove Karen
Hughes and
all these people Gerson and
their job is
to sell the war to the American
people
because they're not buying it
can I can
I just talk about because there
was
something we knew that was new
that was
really spinning up the
intelligence
community we didn't know what
it was
sound familiar
Oh something's going on it was
talking
about it freshman collusions so
you
report that they've got these
tubes this
Albright guy never calls you
back no so
you run with it now there's a
phrase in
your story on the 8th there
where you an
unnamed source says we don't
want the
smoking gun to be a mushroom
cloud right
right gun to be a mushroom
cloud right
that phrase do you know where
that
phrase comes from no because I
only know
that condi rice repeated it
right it
comes from the White House of
rock group
well she's 5 days before you
write the
article but it's a very
powerful line
and it rains there but it comes
from
Gerson it doesn't it's a
political line
directly tied to the White
House you
said the information doesn't
come from
them John were we not supposed
to report
what it was that had the
community the
intelligence community is so
nervous
Russian collusion in the
context that
this administration was very
clearly
pushing a narrative and by
losing sight
of that context by not
reporting I think
we did sorry sadly heartedly
disagree
with you well that's what makes
journalism I mean it's actually
not what
makes sharland so let's
continue so you
don't run with you run with the
story
when David Albright doesn't
call you
back he calls you back on that
Tuesday
and says there's something
wrong with
this right these tubes are not
used for
that is for rockets right in
your
article on the 18th which runs
on page
13 not on page 1 where and is
still and
is still I don't understand
that but
it's still entitled White House
lists
Iraq steps to build banned
weapons it's
still titled something that
seems like
it's the white
released another paper saying
we more
evidence calls you and said
this is
wrong right okay you don't put
that in
that article why I did put it
in I said
that the community was divided
I didn't
quote David all right he said
you could
quote him by name yes he did
why didn't you I think the
story got cut
for space but I didn't you know
look so
in your original article you
wrote in
there David Albright and they
cut it I
take I really don't remember
cuz I'm
that story is what you saying
the book
is I couldn't corroborate it
that's
right because he said these are
the labs
right that have the people
right that
have that have a different view
of these
two right and I called I must
have
called ten or fifteen people
and nobody
would talk about it and so I
went to
David and I said tell me one
person who
can corroborate this and we'll
put this
you know we'll make the story
as long as
we possibly can really either
couldn't
or wouldn't there was a problem
because
David even though he disagreed
about the
tubes believed that Saddam had
a nuclear
weapons on our planet but this
standard
of proof in all this seems much
higher
on the side of this is not an
issue and
they're not a threat and much
lower on
the side of your being fed but
that's
what the intelligence community
begins
feeding video all right well
we're
obviously we're never gonna see
eye to
eye on it I mean I appreciate
you coming
on the program these
discussions always
make me incredibly sad because
I feel
like they they point to
institutional
failure at the highest levels
and no one
responsibility at the highest
levels and no one
I think they point is pass the
buck to
every individual other than
themselves
I think intelligence failures
that I
still worry about every day
because
we're still relying on the same
intelligence communities to get
a
solution about Iran North Korea
Pakistan
and the other countries that we
have to
deal with well hopefully given
the same
effort we'll get to invade all
themselves we'll get to invade
all
well I have to one commented
that the
audience and you kind of
laughed at when
she said I think that was cut
for space
uh-huh said I think that was
cut for space
what happens in these
situations where
you have the intelligence
community and
and the coziness that they have
with the
other editors in the New York
Times is
you right and there's plenty of
his
stories and there's plenty of
stories
that back this up what happens
is that
she gets the quote from some
guy says
yeah yeah yeah you can quote me
and then
he immediately calls the
editors through
some channel aback chances hey
don't
quote me oops and then okay
you say hey I was cut for space
yeah
exactly say hey I was cut for
space yeah
so she probably did put it in
but it was
cut for space and that was that
yeah it
was good yeah well it's exactly
what's
going on now nothing changes
yeah well that daddy that is
exactly my
Roger as it was obvious that's
my point
it's like all this belief in the
intelligence community and we
have not
learned that they sometimes
really get
it wrong and it might be
agendas at play
you this is the journals this
is the
people who are who we need to
trust
Chuck Todd should be ashamed of
what
he's saying yes it's it's it's
really a
travesty saying yes it's it's
it's really a
and that's why we exist and
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however
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going to
because this whole process is
supposed
to be a simple one where people
get to
ask questions and we get to get
answers
it's an undermining of the
constitutional wall which we've
all
sworn an oath but as President
Obama
famously said elections have
consequences but frankly we're
not here
to consider you as the
president of our
neighborhood services you've
been a
great youth best that should
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it's like 24 hours since John
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