0:00
okay now we'll go on March Adam
curry
0:09
this is no agenda just witness
the
0:25
12-bar Coastal late by an hour
going by
0:28
I'm John Seymour I don't
typically do
0:34
New Year's resolutions but I
think we
0:37
should resolve to stop with the
Zephyr
0:39
stuff in 2019 it's not a weak
issue oh
0:43
I'm sorry I was just trying to
make it
0:47
the show we just trying to make
it
0:48
magnanimous a show that's a
show issue
0:52
try to trick me
0:54
I just have this vision of you
sitting
0:57
there in your office on the hill
0:59
watching the trains go by it
goes one
1:02
now marking it down your little
notebook
1:04
I definitely the little no
calling
1:07
calling in comforters everyone
calling
1:11
in complaints it was late you
know I
1:14
used to call in complaints
because
1:16
there's some clowns some years
back
1:18
maybe we're talking some years
back who
1:21
would love coming through with
their
1:22
freight trains honking the horn
as loud
1:26
as they can but there's no
crossings
1:28
there's nothing honking and
honking at
1:30
3:00 in the morning thinking
that's
1:32
hilarious
1:33
classic doing the same thing if
I was
1:36
yeah
1:37
Austin has that too we have the
the
1:39
trains coming through and they
always
1:41
are blowing their horn yeah on
purpose
1:44
of course especially at 3:00 in
the
1:46
morning there's no reason for
it today
1:48
is an important day
1:49
December 23rd 2018 not that
you'd know
1:53
it but there's an important
election
1:56
taking place today which kind
of fits in
1:58
with my beat
2:01
we'll then is your be to
discuss I'm
2:04
going to discuss it with a
quick three
2:06
clip a three parter clip series
because
2:09
it makes nothing but since what
have I
2:11
been tracking I've been
tracking Ebola
2:13
in the Democratic Republic of
Congo and
2:17
typically when there's Ebola
the whole
2:20
idea is to send in some
military troops
2:23
to keep everything peaceful and
calm
2:25
which may have a secondary
reason we
2:28
learned recently that the
actual area of
2:31
North was it the kuba Kuniko v
qu you
2:35
know already or there was a
particular
2:37
area of the Democratic Republic
of Congo
2:41
is where pretty much all your
cell phone
2:43
materials comes from there's
diamonds
2:45
there's gold there's also a lot
of oil
2:48
and there's an election that's
been
2:50
gearing up and whenever there's
2:51
elections we always want to be
involved
2:52
and I have a feeling that maybe
the
2:54
Ebola stories is to just get us
ready in
2:57
case we have to jump in and do
something
2:59
because there's a big problem
with these
3:00
elections again slated for
today in the
3:03
DRC this is the infamous voting
machine
3:05
a touch screen on which voters
will
3:08
select their candidate for the
election
3:10
before a ballot is printed and
put into
3:13
a ballot box to be counted
manually the
3:17
president of the Electoral
Commission
3:18
claims that this machine will
make
3:20
voting easier for the
population and at
3:23
the same time guarantee total
3:25
transparency we want the winner
to win
3:31
the best of them almost succeed
the
3:34
machine is to annihilate all
attempts at
3:36
cheating which we unfortunately
3:38
witnessed in the 2011 in 2006
elections
3:41
this is what the Machine is
here to fix
3:44
at the Electoral Commission
headquarters
3:46
as in several places in
Kinshasa voting
3:50
machines are displayed so that
anybody
3:53
can come and experiment with
the new
3:55
technology fast even men
3:58
now that I've tried it it looks
very
4:00
easy to me but the question is
now will
4:02
the uneducated people like our
mothers
4:04
in the villages know how to use
the
4:06
machines with the pole fast
approaching
4:10
some opposition leaders are
still very
4:12
unhappy about the use of the
machines
4:14
which they call cheating
machines
4:17
machine commanded of what the
voting
4:20
machines are not a reliable way
to vote
4:22
Congolese people are not used
to it
4:25
company either a black clan
shows this
4:31
way of voting law so they can
cheat
4:35
there seems to be some issue
with these
4:38
new voting machines that have
been
4:41
brought in manufactured by miru
systems
4:44
a fine South Korean firm which
believes
4:48
me to believe there might be
some
4:50
Chinese stuff in there but also
if you
4:52
have an Ebola infested country
and area
4:56
why are you gonna have touch
screens
4:58
that seems like exactly the
opposite of
5:00
what you'd want to do and nikki
Haley at
5:05
the UN had her own issues we
are deeply
5:07
concerned by the Election
Commission's
5:09
insistence on using an
electronic voting
5:12
system that has never been used
in the
5:14
DRC our understanding is that
the
5:17
Commission has never even
tested this
5:19
electronic voting system in the
DRC but
5:22
plans to deploy this technology
for the
5:24
first time on Election Day it
should go
5:28
without saying that employing an
5:30
unfamiliar technology for the
first time
5:33
during a crucial election is an
enormous
5:36
risk it has the potential to
seriously
5:40
undermine the credibility of
elections
5:42
that so many have worked hard
to see
5:45
that happen these elections
must be held
5:48
by paper ballots so there is no
question
5:50
by the Congolese people about
the
5:52
results the u.s. has no
appetite to
5:55
support an electronic voting
system
5:58
except here of course you're
right it
6:06
isn't ice though if it was made
by
6:09
Diebold maybe
6:11
she would have been okay with
it but
6:12
perhaps the fact that it comes
from
6:13
South Korea and could have some
Chinese
6:15
technology in there who of
course would
6:18
like to have some control over
the
6:20
country seeing as they're the
ones in
6:21
there getting all the minerals
so what
6:24
do you do well you do this of
course the
6:26
first pictures of a burning
Election
6:28
Commission warehouse in
Kinshasa the
6:30
capital of the Democratic
Republic of
6:32
Congo inside were voting
materials
6:35
destined for centers throughout
the city
6:38
ahead of presidential elections
on
6:40
December 23rd it started at
about two
6:45
o'clock in the morning local
time an
6:46
estimated 7,000 voting machines
were
6:50
destroyed
6:56
I can't take it much further
than this I
6:59
don't know who's behind it but
certainly
7:01
we're not happy with the with
the voting
7:04
machines and that may have
something to
7:06
do with the outcome and who
ultimately
7:08
is in control I think we have
no control
7:11
over this one we're just we're
just
7:13
blowing in the wind well you
don't know
7:16
that well that's that's why I
always say
7:18
the Ebola may be there so if
the wrong
7:20
person gets elected which could
happen
7:23
then we concede it will happen
then we
7:26
can fit our standards yes then
we can
7:28
send in some troops to protect
everyone
7:30
from Ebola so it could be a
distraction
7:33
so because there's nothing in
the news
7:35
that I've see I mean I had to
go to
7:37
al-jazeera
7:38
where else did I mean no US
outlets of
7:42
any significance of reporting
on even on
7:45
the election really and
certainly not
7:47
definitely can't have nikki
Haley saying
7:50
that voting machines are no
good for us
7:57
but not for you in the DRC shut
up and
8:00
give me some minerals for my
cell phone
8:02
yes well we obviously will keep
trying
8:06
this is not gonna it sounds to
me that
8:09
this border line you know mess
it is a
8:12
mess
8:12
it isn't absolutely it's an
actual mess
8:16
good I'm glad you caught that
yeah so
8:18
that's so the election is today
so who
8:20
knows maybe Ebola will step up
today
8:21
depending on the outcome I
don't think
8:23
we all yeah I don't think we
have an
8:25
outcome just yet I'll keep an
eye on it
8:30
why but I've considered one of
my beats
8:32
to be the Supreme Court Justice
picks
8:35
ooh yes you mean because you're
already
8:38
counting on Ruth Bader Ginsburg
no
8:41
longer serving as a justice
8:44
my mother had cancer and she
lived to 90
8:46
and she probably had cancer for
I don't
8:49
know a long time like maybe I
think well
8:52
my mother had lung cancer just
some
8:56
something oh god she was so
skinny that
8:58
the cancer couldn't thrive oh
really
9:01
yeah huh and that's what kept
her going
9:06
that's nothing like a cabbage
diet
9:08
anyway the Ruth Gator got Ruth
cater
9:14
Bader Ginsburg it seems to have
that
9:17
same characteristics she's
really thin
9:20
if she had a blood transfusion
or
9:21
something she'd be she'd be a
goner but
9:25
he's you know still she's this
is like
9:28
she's had lots of different
cancers
9:29
she's like not just someone
whose head
9:31
has some lingering cancer so I
figure
9:34
she's got a year
9:36
it was she just being old and
tired how
9:39
about that I mean I you may
want to
9:41
serve your country but she's
believed 85
9:44
yeah she said you know da
diehard
9:46
liberal at before she dies cuz
9:53
eventually we all do there's a
lot of
9:55
good to be said about her I
mean she she
9:58
did do a lot for women she's
very very
10:01
interesting pre-owned she's an
important
10:03
part of the American experience
let me
10:05
say it before she's gone so you
know to
10:08
say you know it's easy to say
she falls
10:10
asleep she's no good but she
has quite a
10:12
history that no I'm saying I'm
saying it
10:14
in general not about you in
general
10:16
because I hear a lot of this I
read a
10:18
lot of give the woman a little
bit of
10:21
respect as she leaves
10:24
meanwhile we've got to pick
somebody I
10:26
do have an essay coming up I've
decided
10:28
from non now on out I'm not
putting in
10:30
the newsletter I'm sending them
out
10:31
separately mm-hmm
10:33
this will be the handicapping
the picks
10:36
I give you a little heads up I
do not
10:39
think a me koni koni Barrett is
going to
10:42
win anything or get picked
really I
10:46
think that they're gonna
probably put a
10:48
pickle pick a puka pack a pick
a woman
10:50
yeah and I believe it will be
her
10:54
competition which is Joan
Larson uh-huh
10:58
now John Larson and the
cuckoomy Barry
11:01
is the odds on absolute if you
want to
11:04
have checkboxes she is the
smartest she
11:07
is that prettiest she's the
youngest
11:11
hold on Joan Larson I don't
I've never
11:14
been her don't know Amy call me
Barry
11:16
this is smartest already the
youngest
11:19
gummy bear it's a few years
older I'm
11:22
not sorry Larson's a few years
older
11:23
Comey Barrett is the youngest
the
11:26
problem with call me Barrett I
believe
11:28
is in her presentation we
talked about
11:30
you know if on paper I'm
reminded of our
11:33
vice president hopeful under
the John
11:36
McCain administration who I had
picked
11:38
to be picked our friend from
Alaska yes
11:43
Sarah Palin she
11:46
I picked her not ever hearing
her yes
11:50
yes no and we and we do need to
be very
11:55
specific here the American
public
11:58
chooses their elected leaders
like we
12:01
choose our soap so it needs to
be
12:04
appealing the message needs to
be
12:06
repeated clearly and often you
will be
12:08
much whiter after you use me
now Tomi
12:12
Kony Barrett has the advantages
of being
12:17
the smartest she's got great
education
12:19
got great Kretsch has seven
children to
12:21
him she's adopted two kids from
Haiti
12:23
Haiti refugee she's a she's a
saint
12:28
what's wrong with her then John
there's
12:30
got to be something wrong her
voice ah
12:34
her voice she sounds like she's
on
12:37
helium I have a clip I want you
to play
12:41
that I have to tell everybody
cuz they
12:42
know that we have doctored our
clips of
12:44
Casey for a cheap laugh not to
change
12:48
the meaning or anything
12:49
there is no doctoring going on
with this
12:51
clip and I think just because
she
12:54
doesn't and she's a professor
but she
12:59
her voice is a bit off-putting
when is
13:03
it proper for a judge to put
their
13:05
religious views above applying
the law
13:07
Thank You chairman Grassley let
me start
13:10
with your very last question
and say
13:12
never it's never appropriate
for a judge
13:14
to impose that judges personal
13:18
convictions whether they derive
from
13:19
faith or anywhere else on the
law this
13:22
article that I wrote as a law
student
13:24
has gotten a lot of attention
since my
13:26
nomination so I'd like the
opportunity
13:28
to put it in context I brought
that Law
13:31
Review article when I was a
third-year
13:32
law student with one of my
professors 20
13:35
years ago it was a project that
he had
13:37
under way and he invited me to
work on
13:40
it with him and I was
complimented that
13:42
as a student he thought I was
up to the
13:44
task of being more than a
research
13:46
assistant but I was very much
the junior
13:48
partner in our collaboration
and that
13:51
was appropriate given our
relative
13:52
statures
13:54
would I or could I say that
sitting here
13:57
today that that article and
it's every
14:00
particular reflects how I think
about
14:03
these questions today with as
you say
14:05
the benefit of twenty years of
14:07
experience and also the ability
to speak
14:09
solely and my own voice no it
would not
14:13
doesn't seem I mean I get what
you're
14:16
going for but the competition
has got to
14:18
be a lot better for this to be
a total
14:20
game you know a a non-starter
Larson I
14:24
think has the creds to be able
to pull
14:26
this off she's got a little more
14:28
experience on the bench she's
got more
14:30
experience as a litigator she's
got more
14:32
experience in general but again
not
14:35
quite the voice you want for
someone who
14:39
I'm gonna be picky about this
but I know
14:41
you know these things do matter
I also
14:44
did there was a fear that Amy
call Kony
14:48
Barrett
14:49
it has not enough judicial
experience
14:52
he's only been on the bench for
it since
14:53
2017 along with Joan but Joan
was a was
14:57
a chief justice mm-hmm before
she got on
15:00
the bench at one of the states
I think
15:02
Michigan and it's just she was
on the
15:04
Supreme Court the problem they
believe
15:08
is that Barrett they don't know
if she's
15:12
gonna become another David
Souter who
15:14
was a big you know a big
conservative
15:17
pick by one of the one of the
15:19
conservative presidents and
turned out
15:21
to be this massive liberal
where it
15:24
could be the same way she could
become a
15:26
Matt you could just see it in
her way
15:29
she thinks that she could
become a real
15:31
killer liberal that would be a
problem
15:34
so they they're not picking her
look I'm
15:36
just telling everybody I look I
love
15:37
your mind-reading I'm not
saying that's
15:39
wrong
15:40
Joan Larson as is I think a
better
15:44
choice I'm not the voice I'd
want to
15:46
hear but at least she can I can
I quick
15:51
quick feedback just because I
had not
15:53
even heard this name prior to
this
15:55
program yeah if we were to cast
a female
15:58
justice she's the one she is
Larson is
16:03
straight out of central casting
okay
16:05
let's stop there I'm it i will
make a
16:07
commentary about this because
Adam and I
16:09
both have thoughts about
appearance from
16:14
the executive producer yes
16:16
not from you know Diaz is
prettier and
16:19
Amy is incredibly telegenic
Joan is
16:24
beautiful in a photograph but
she is not
16:27
nearly as telegenic she's
actually not
16:30
telegenic mm-hmm so there's a
little
16:33
difference there but it's
beside the
16:34
point there Supreme Court
justice
16:36
there's nothing gonna be there
never on
16:37
camera so what difference does
it make
16:39
so let's listen to her answers
but not
16:42
give to those branches as I
said in the
16:45
Supreme Court hearing judges
must be
16:47
equally dependent independent
of the
16:49
president who nominates them
and the
16:52
senators who confirmed them
16:54
so justice arson I think your
voice is
16:57
really quite masculine please
describe
17:00
what judicial independence
means to you
17:03
and tell us whether you have
any trouble
17:05
ruling against the president who
17:07
appointed you thank you for the
question
17:10
chairman Grassley I would have
17:12
absolutely no trouble ruling
against the
17:15
president who appointed me or
any
17:19
successor president as well
17:21
judicial independence means one
thing
17:23
one very simple thing and that
is
17:25
putting the law above
everything else
17:27
the statutes passed by this
body and the
17:30
Constitution of the United
States so I
17:32
would have absolutely no
trouble indeed
17:34
that would be my duty yeah
we've often
17:37
heard these words especially
since
17:41
January quote-unquote now more
than ever
17:44
we need judges who will be
independent
17:48
of the president who nominated
them so
17:50
I'd like to ask about your
nomination
17:52
and your independence a lot
much now was
17:56
this a confirmation hearing for
a for
17:58
this for the circuit court
circuits yeah
18:01
yeah the circuit also a Barrett
got less
18:09
votes in the Senate as a
confirmation
18:11
than Larson did mm-hmm and
she's a stay
18:15
hater because she's a staunch
Catholic
18:17
the other problem is I'm gonna
bring
18:19
this this is the part that that
nobody
18:22
will discuss because it's like
you can't
18:23
discuss it
18:25
to Supreme Court has too many
Catholics
18:28
on it hmm it's almost all
Catholics and
18:32
and a couple of Jews that's it
18:36
Amy called me koni Barrett is
the
18:39
extreme Catholic she's like
I've oh I
18:41
would say she's a charismatic
Catholic
18:44
in the old sense this woman
larson I
18:47
spent days trying to find out
what
18:51
religion or what religious
affiliation
18:53
she has there is none hmm she's
either
18:57
an atheist and agnostic a Wicca
or who
19:03
knows what yeah that's what she
looks
19:07
like
19:07
nailed it now and believe me I
did put a
19:12
little more effort than I
should have
19:14
because I was one point I got I
said
19:16
wait a minute I've got to
figure this
19:17
out and I went and found all
kinds of
19:20
documentation for what the
religious
19:22
affiliations are of all these
different
19:24
people and she's not defined of
I've
19:29
even written to people who
wrote some
19:30
biographies about her and
nobody ever
19:32
wrote me back thank you so
that's an
19:37
issue cuz it may turn out that
she's you
19:40
know I don't believe in God or
she's
19:41
that hey this is what I did
cause if she
19:44
has a husband this is the
problem she's
19:45
got some drawbacks she's got a
husband
19:48
who's a professor of law this
guy has
19:50
got to go to the black scraggly
goatee
19:54
not a nice trim go to get
scraggly
19:56
goatee a big ponytail no no yeah
20:01
ponytail and he wears a bowtie
all the
20:05
time what does he do he's a
professor of
20:07
law and he teaches teaches law
uh-huh
20:10
and he's got the bowtie in the
ponytail
20:13
and the spinning you know the
holy Mises
20:16
it's like this guy is and they
did they
20:19
do not share names she's so
she's of the
20:21
of the which is a giveaway of
some sort
20:25
yet I'm not taking my husband's
name I
20:26
probably won't be married to
him that
20:28
long why should I or something
like that
20:31
Amy Kony Barrett is married to
Bob
20:35
Barrett and Kony is her old
less old
20:38
name uh-huh so there's that so
then we
20:42
have this a problem and there's
a third
20:44
party which I don't have in
handy I've
20:46
been doing some research on him
who's
20:48
another a possible
20:49
guy but I think they're gonna
have to
20:51
put a woman in because of
Ginsburg being
20:52
a woman so it's gonna be what
it's gotta
20:55
be one of these two there's no
other
20:56
real challengers these are the
two best
21:01
okay well just based on what
I'm seeing
21:07
I think I had not heard of John
Larson
21:09
even being in in the race for
this I
21:11
hadn't even honestly considered
21:14
talking about a replacement for
Ginsberg
21:17
just yet yeah you gotta be
ahead of the
21:19
game but yeah but Larson you
know you
21:22
could put her on Law & Order
right now
21:24
boom in that done she looks the
part
21:28
I think that's that'll do it um
and then
21:33
Lucy okay well while we're on
that then
21:37
we saw general mattis resign
yes yes
21:42
about that yeah you want to
just talk
21:45
about his replacement real
quick do you
21:48
have any any thoughts I do I
have have
21:51
the military's thoughts yeah
stars the
21:55
stripes in the military times
and looked
21:57
at what they thought yeah that
I think
21:59
the guy the best guy would be
the guy
22:01
who's the deputy the guy who
was the
22:03
executive from Boeing right
who's the
22:06
deputy that's the guy you want
you want
22:09
that kind of guy cuz he keeps
the whole
22:10
thing moving and you know as
you can see
22:13
well maybe we should take a
step back
22:15
before we get to that what
happened the
22:17
minute Trump said
22:19
all right pulling out of Syria
pulling
22:22
out of Afghanistan everybody in
22:24
Washington DC just lost their
crap
22:28
including fragments maybe even
22:30
especially Fox News because I
know my
22:32
god we're gonna do this is this
is the
22:34
machine you can't remove them
shit does
22:36
not works it'll move the machine
22:40
and I have a couple funny clips
about it
22:42
do you want to start with
something they
22:43
have a bunch of clips I got
Panetta
22:46
bitching let's do some bitching
first I
22:49
start with bitch number one
yeah this is
22:54
this is actually Fox this is I
think Fox
22:57
and Friends and Sarah Sanders
of course
23:00
calls him the president I'm
sorry I was
23:04
just gonna say one thing that
was in a
23:07
tweet somebody pointed this on
I thought
23:08
was Grace's drop has done
nothing to
23:11
change the Republican Party but
he's
23:13
done everything to change the
Democrat
23:15
Party they are now all war
mongers yeah
23:20
okay then I'll flip him around
23:22
yes war monger so we'll start
with
23:23
Nicole Wallace from MSNBC
here's what
23:28
she had to say I mean it is he
someone
23:30
is is depending I mean you're
basically
23:31
describing a US military that
does not
23:34
listen to the
commander-in-chief is that
23:36
what's going on well no I don't
think
23:38
that they don't listen to them
I think
23:40
that they listen to their
credit I'm
23:46
cheered if you're telling me
that the
23:47
military doesn't listen to him
senior
23:50
Pentagon officials who were
alarmed by
23:52
the news who had the rug pull
who were
23:56
communicated as recently as
yesterday
23:58
that our commitment was solid
24:01
the president seems to have his
foreign
24:03
policy run through Moscow or
Turkey or
24:06
other countries yeah so she is
just
24:08
cheered she's cheered I don't
know if
24:10
you can be cheered but she's
cheered if
24:12
the military no longer listens
to the
24:14
commander in chief that's she's
cheered
24:16
by that so I guess she likes
that and
24:18
then we have the Fox people
just taking
24:21
it many steps further the
president has
24:23
been talking about this since
the
24:24
campaign he brought it up again
eight
24:26
months ago six months ago he's
wanted to
24:28
bring our troops home look our
goal and
24:30
the president's purpose of
continuing to
24:33
be in Syria what's to defeat
Isis we've
24:35
defeated the territorial
Caliphate
24:37
ninety nine percent of Isis has
been
24:39
wiped out of Syria the
president doesn't
24:42
want to be in the middle of
another
24:44
civil war in the Middle East
and put
24:46
American lives on the line for
that
24:48
purpose he wants to bring the
men and
24:49
women
24:50
of our armed forces home and
that's what
24:52
he judged to do and that's
exactly what
24:54
he's doing
24:54
Sarah he's giving Russia a big
win
24:57
Vladimir Putin praised him he
also is
24:59
doing exactly what he criticized
25:01
President Obama for doing he
said
25:02
President Obama is the founder
of Isis
25:04
he just rebounded Isis because
30,000
25:08
men there and their striking
Theory
25:11
founded Isis this is fantastic
25:15
every one going once war
apparently in
25:17
them in the mainstream media
everybody
25:19
all sides war war war war war
just want
25:23
war I don't care just we need
to be
25:24
fighting somewhere is there's
no good
25:27
and if you go ahead it's just
ridiculous
25:30
and just for historical context
when
25:34
maddis was brought in to manage
the
25:40
Afghanistan region under no
that was
25:44
under Bush Rumsfeld was the
Secretary of
25:49
Defense when he came in he was
hated
25:51
hated by the left because
mainly because
25:55
this is a news clip from
al-jazeera just
25:57
play a little bit from this
must have
26:00
been around that a little bit
later than
26:02
to thought maybe 2006 or
something this
26:04
is the man who will take over
one of the
26:06
u.s. military's most
challenging jobs
26:08
General James Madison this is
what he's
26:11
best known for fun to fight I
like to
26:25
shoot him oh yeah I like that
getting to
26:28
brawl and shoot those guys I
don't get
26:29
it's like a they they miss
handle women
26:33
so that's good to go kill him
it was not
26:35
really what anyone wanted to
hear at the
26:37
time he's not on the on the
left and no
26:42
one really but now now now we
forget all
26:46
that we're very good at it we
forget all
26:48
about the a-hole who want to
just go
26:50
blow people up and and now huh
I also
26:53
heard that this is a story that
I heard
26:55
is that mattis had consultants
in who
27:00
were saying you know you could
run for
27:02
president in 2020
27:03
I'm not kidding and so part of
the issue
27:07
was they allotted to reversed
our
27:09
generals who all kind of
believe that
27:11
maybe cuz I did it right well
apparently
27:15
he had the consultants in the
president
27:18
got wind of it he's like you
know you
27:20
wonder one if you want to run
that's
27:21
cool but I can't have you in
for two
27:23
years while you're ultimately
gonna run
27:24
against me so you gotta go
that's that's
27:27
the story I heard from our
military
27:29
intelligence that actually
makes sense
27:32
but I think it's a combination
of things
27:34
perfect timing of course you
know with
27:36
the pullout in Syria perfect
timing
27:38
well one of course you wanted
to stay in
27:40
Syria forever
27:42
there's also the issue with the
chief of
27:45
staff he didn't like mark Maile
the guy
27:49
that we like headed that the
army taking
27:52
over a chief of staff of the
Joint
27:54
Chiefs he wanted David Goldfine
who's
27:57
the Air Force guy and I would
challenge
27:59
anybody in the military and
civilians
28:02
whatever taped go on the
Wikipedia and
28:04
look up Maile and look up
Goldfine and
28:06
put their bio side-by-side and
ask
28:09
yourself why anybody would want
Goldfine
28:15
so there was that there was
that issue
28:17
there was the Miley issue and
there's a
28:19
third issue I'm trying to think
what it
28:20
was that he had a run-in with I
mean
28:23
mattis was in total
disagreement I'll
28:26
come up with it before we're
done with
28:27
our Clips but it wasn't a good
match to
28:32
begin with but let's play the
kind of
28:34
the background Iran maddest
quits leaves
28:36
snarky note PBS resignation
letter was
28:39
noteworthy for its absence of
any praise
28:42
for president Trump instead he
cited his
28:45
differences with the commander
in chief
28:47
writing you have the right to
have a
28:49
secretary whose views are
better aligned
28:51
with yours we are going to a
point mad
28:58
dog matters as our Secretary of
Defense
29:05
the seeds of discord were
present when
29:08
mr. Trump announced in 2016
that the
29:10
retired four-star Marine
general would
29:12
run the Pentagon mattis has
made it
29:15
known that he hates the
nickname mad dog
29:17
after that he repeatedly
disagreed
29:20
publicly with the president by
29:21
supporting NATO and other
alliances
29:24
criticizing worsen interference
in US
29:26
elections and opposing the
president's
29:29
withdrawal from the Iran
nuclear deal
29:31
and transgender military ban
then came
29:34
mr. Trump's sudden decision
this week to
29:36
withdraw US troops from Syria a
move
29:39
mattis strongly disagreed with
at the
29:43
White House last night press
secretary
29:45
Sarah Sanders acknowledged the
rift he
29:48
and the president have a good
29:49
relationship but sometimes they
disagree
29:52
the president always listens to
the
29:55
members of his national
security team
29:56
but at the end of the day it's
the
29:58
president's decision to make
maddis
30:01
plans to leave the Pentagon at
the end
30:03
of February the other issue I
was
30:07
thinking about besides the mark
Miley
30:11
and all these other
disagreements is the
30:13
Pentagon budget failed they
tried me the
30:16
Audion of the audit fought it
yes their
30:18
audit Department he's the head
of the
30:22
Pentagon he's the one
responsible he's
30:25
the one who didn't get the
audit done
30:26
right another another good
point and
30:29
nobody's talking about that
well nobody
30:32
wants to know about it
including this
30:34
president I don't think he
really cares
30:36
just wants to make sure we
spend a lot
30:38
on it and that were the biggest
and the
30:39
baddest
30:41
so here's here we have PBS had
a lot of
30:46
this because judy has gone off
the rails
30:48
I really think that she misses
Gwen Gwen
30:52
too and I miss Gwen's balance
she's got
30:56
no she's completely unbalanced
she's
30:57
she's starting to shake she's
she's
31:00
really Trump hater it's
unbelievable so
31:03
we have these we have Panetta
and
31:06
Richard Haass so Panetta former
CIA
31:09
director former Secretary of
Defense for
31:12
Obama yes and Hoss was a hot
day is been
31:16
a lot of different things but
he's the
31:17
head of the Council on Foreign
Relations
31:21
these are the guys you want for
a
31:23
balance story on PBS so let's
listen to
31:26
Panetta on mattis Leon Panetta
to you
31:29
first your reaction when you
learned
31:31
that secretary mattis had
resigned I
31:34
thought it was a sad day for
the nation
31:36
to lose an outstanding defense
secretary
31:41
who was well experienced with
regards to
31:44
national security policy and
also
31:47
believed in the basic
principles of of
31:52
leadership of strength of our
alliances
31:55
of understanding who our
adversaries are
31:58
principles that I think have
served this
32:01
country well since World War
two to lose
32:04
that experience to lose
somebody with
32:06
those principles I think
increases the
32:10
danger in this country of not
having the
32:15
ability to deal with a lot of
danger
32:18
points in the world today and
that that
32:21
concerns me because I think it
puts our
32:23
nation at risk what did he just
say
32:26
other than
32:28
orange man bad what did he
actually say
32:30
okay nothing I thought was what
goes
32:32
with the follow-up that she
goes to Haas
32:34
and asks him specifically do
you think
32:37
the nation's at risk and which
is what
32:40
Panetta said we're all at risk
some for
32:42
some reason she thinks so too
you can
32:44
tell where she asked the
question this
32:46
is the Hoss not answer this
question and
32:48
informated way Richard Haas you
agree it
32:51
puts the nation at risk well
it's
32:53
certainly a major loss he was
32:55
experienced he was sober he
represented
32:58
sober hey we want our military
men drunk
33:01
she was sober he represented
essentially
33:05
a traditional foreign policy
view for
33:08
foreign policy I'll admit my
bias I
33:11
think it served this country
33:12
extraordinarily well for
three-quarters
33:14
of a century
33:18
nice changing in fact he goes
on and
33:21
discusses us a little bit more
33:23
this is haast now discussing
the Trump
33:26
pull out of Syria which is like
again
33:30
we're listening to the head of
the
33:31
Council on Foreign Relations so
he's you
33:33
know definitely yes he must be
against
33:36
it gets me why we're doing
there in the
33:44
first place but he pulls the
same stunts
33:46
that these other guys have
pulled we did
33:48
it on the last show I had a
clip that
33:49
was similar to this where this
is some
33:52
sort of a abnegation of our our
33:55
responsibility when we're not
even
33:56
supposed to be in Syria it was
only
33:59
gonna be a temporary thing to
begin with
34:01
three months three months three
months
34:03
you know no house yep but here
listen to
34:07
him go on and on has again what
I think
34:10
is a radical view of this
country's
34:12
relationship with the world and
that
34:14
will be heard far beyond the
Middle East
34:17
I would think people in Taiwan
in South
34:20
Korea in Europe they saw what
this
34:22
president did and why would any
American
34:25
ally why would any country
dependent on
34:27
America somehow believe that
something
34:29
like this couldn't happen to
them we
34:31
have shredded our reputation for
34:34
reliability and dependability
and that
34:37
might be the the greatest
consequence of
34:39
the last few days what's
interesting
34:41
about this yeah go ahead
34:44
what is he talking about we
who's what
34:48
Li did we screw now we're
leaving Syria
34:51
no but he's won well that's not
what
34:54
he's saying I think to me what
he's
34:56
saying is hey if you're Japan
you know
34:58
you should be worried because
you know
34:59
we could just pull right out
and we want
35:01
you to have a base who won't
protect you
35:03
I think that's what he's trying
to say
35:04
we only have 800 bases around
the world
35:07
so now I personally I like it
I've been
35:12
advocating to get out of
everything for
35:14
as long as I can remember and
also
35:17
there's there was no this is
all under
35:18
the phony baloney although it
wasn't at
35:21
the time but under the 9/11
regulation
35:24
of the president I'm still
under a state
35:26
of emergency presidents can put
us into
35:28
war situations without the
35:29
only body who has the authority
to do
35:32
that which is the House of
35:33
Representatives well I know
some of the
35:35
degrees with you well there's a
lot of
35:39
people would agree with me so
far as a
35:42
clip Oh Ron Paul of course yes
yeah in a
35:47
way why should it be
complicated we were
35:50
in a place we shouldn't have
been in the
35:51
war that's unconstitutional
doesn't make
35:54
any sense we don't know why
we're there
35:55
we don't know when we're
supposed to
35:57
come home and finally we have a
35:59
president in this case doing
his a curry
36:01
said he wants to do and they go
nuts so
36:05
I guess we shouldn't be shocked
shocked
36:07
I'm shocked that there would be
these
36:09
factions yeah and I think you
know this
36:11
is you know Washington showing
its
36:13
colors here are the neo cons
the main
36:15
proponents of the unitary
executive he's
36:18
the decider he's the
commander-in-chief
36:20
then when he finally acts as a
decider
36:23
acts as a commander-in-chief in
a
36:25
constitutional way removing
troops from
36:27
somewhere they shouldn't go all
of a
36:29
sudden he didn't tell us he
didn't ask
36:31
us he's not listening to us
what's going
36:33
on here the war is a dumb war
and it's
36:36
unconstitutional and then they
criticize
36:38
them for doing it this is this
is one
36:40
place where a president that
has an even
36:44
a memory of the Constitution
did the
36:46
right thing yeah exactly
exactly it's
36:48
also a nice time to pay
attention to the
36:50
people who are adamantly
against this
36:52
pullout
36:55
and just need to note their
names they
36:57
may all be against it but
really listen
36:59
to the you know particularly
the media I
37:01
agree you know pay attention
who's
37:02
really against it cuz those
those that's
37:04
the enemy right there well it
and it's
37:07
also part of spot to spook yes
well it
37:13
seems like everybody's on board
not that
37:15
that wouldn't be possible too
37:19
well the one clip I do have
that I think
37:23
is interesting because it was
it was
37:26
offset from the Judy's report
on Trump
37:31
leaving Syria and firing mattis
mm-hmm
37:34
and it seems to if you just
kind of
37:36
dissect it it seems to explain
what
37:38
really went on here is that you
know
37:40
they think it's like Trump
decided let's
37:43
just leave
37:45
when it is quite possible that
he did a
37:47
bunch of deals in the
background cuz he
37:49
was floating around especially
with
37:50
Turkey to get himself getting
our guys
37:54
out and put somebody else in to
finish
37:56
the job because there's two
factors in
37:58
this turkey situation and this
is
38:01
explained on PBS newshour but
it's not
38:02
as a separate story that's got
nothing
38:04
to do with anything
38:05
but play this leaving Syria
Elder Wand
38:08
deal with Trump Turkey's
president ray
38:11
gypped i afforda wanted a
welcomed us
38:13
plans to leave syria that came
is the
38:16
Associated Press reported the
president
38:18
Trump made the decision after
speaking
38:20
with Erdogan last week in
Istanbul the
38:23
Turkish leader said he promised
the
38:25
president that Turkey will
finish off
38:27
Islamic state militants we will
be
38:32
working on our operational
plans to
38:34
eliminate Islamic state
elements which
38:36
are said to remain intact in
Syria in
38:39
line with our conversation with
38:40
President Trump in other words
over the
38:43
next months we will adopt an
operational
38:45
style geared toward this goal
her Dewan
38:48
also said that turkey is
delaying a
38:50
planned operation against us
back
38:52
Kurdish forces in Syria
meanwhile the
38:55
Kurds warned their fighters may
have to
38:57
leave the fight against Isis to
confront
39:00
any Turkish attack yeah now
there's
39:03
obviously deals happening here
and I
39:06
think for Trump it was you know
what
39:11
just stop all the crap about
Saudi
39:14
Arabia you know take a back
seat on the
39:17
khashoggi thing
39:18
I'll give you Syria I don't
care anyway
39:21
I'll give you that yes it seems
that
39:24
cut-and-dry I think so too and
I think
39:26
he had to protect the Kurds and
all the
39:29
protections consistent this is
part of
39:32
the deal because it's part of
the yeah
39:34
he said oh no we won't to go
after the
39:37
Kurds right away we're gonna
hang back
39:42
they'll go back to where they
came from
39:44
and since and leave Syria and
the Turks
39:47
are gonna come in full force to
take
39:49
these remove the rest of these
idiots
39:51
these Isis idiots out there's
one other
39:54
that's that their whole thing
up that'll
39:55
be oh my god and maybe some
peace
39:58
at least for us well there's
two other
40:00
things that about well first of
all
40:03
there was an interesting ad in
recoil
40:07
magazine which is some like
aerospace
40:11
defense magazine and it was the
remember
40:14
the old Blackwater logo with
like the
40:16
claw Blackwater of the
mercenaries yeah
40:19
Eric Prince
40:20
they said to get a full-page ad
I don't
40:22
know what that cost in recoil
magazine
40:24
but completely black the
Blackwater logo
40:26
and then just the words we are
coming
40:28
and the thinking is that pull
out of
40:31
Syria but certainly Afghanistan
is all
40:35
kind of surface stuff like
let's bring
40:38
art let's bring our boys and
girls home
40:39
but in the meantime we do send
in
40:42
Blackwater Zee Academy over
there called
40:44
today to still you know have
the covert
40:48
operations that we need when we
need
40:49
them like maybe for the poppy
fields
40:54
apparently we still need him at
the
40:56
poppy fields something like
that and
40:57
then here and this is just
turkey in
41:01
general a new update came out
for
41:05
iPhones and iPads I don't use
one
41:09
anymore but I do have this it
is iOS
41:11
12.1 - and it includes bug
fixes for
41:15
your phone a - in particular
fixes bugs
41:19
with ECM activation and
addresses an
41:22
issue that could affect cellular
41:24
connectivity in Turkey
41:27
I'm thinking wait a minute what
what
41:32
system is turkey using that
could be an
41:34
issue and I went to look for it
and the
41:37
first thing you hit right off
the bat is
41:39
from the when was this this was
I think
41:44
a couple weeks ago that Turkey
president
41:49
Tayyip Erdogan announced today
the
41:51
country would boycott all
electronics
41:53
from the United States in
particular
41:55
targeting specifically Apple
immense the
41:59
rising trade tensions between
the two
42:01
countries
42:05
so it may just be coincidence
but you
42:09
have a country threatening to
boycott a
42:12
device specifically and then
they do an
42:15
update with something that is
fixes
42:18
something not working on the
Turkish
42:21
cellphone Network to me it
sounds like
42:24
maybe they inserted something
to make it
42:26
work better on the Turkish
cellphone
42:29
Network like they might do with
China
42:34
or maybe they turned off
something they
42:36
turned off the spy device no I
think
42:39
that no because Turkey said we
don't
42:42
we're gonna boycott your phones
well if
42:45
it's gonna make the phone work
more like
42:47
a spy device well why wouldn't
they just
42:48
keep boycotting the phone how
about if
42:50
it's working as a spy device
for them
42:53
for the Turkish girl for the
Turkish the
42:56
Chinese have some special up
doors so
42:58
they can spy on them yes exactly
43:01
well yeah they got you some but
the
43:03
Gulen ist's yeah all right I
can buy
43:09
that that could be part of it
right I'd
43:11
like to know more about it I'd
like to
43:12
know more about it I'm very
interested
43:14
in well then it gets you
negative
43:15
hearing I can't accuse apple of
anything
43:21
because you know that could get
us deep
43:22
platformed yeah
43:28
well I think something's up now
turning
43:31
a turkey into a major trading
partner
43:34
with the United States is not a
bad idea
43:36
I still admire for my visit
there the
43:42
glassware that is made in
Turkey is
43:44
world-class and it never gets
out of
43:46
Turkey or I mean it does but
not into
43:48
the United States and it's so
cheap said
43:51
it would be it's just incredibly
43:53
competitive and there's a lot
of stuff
43:55
that they it might benefit both
43:57
countries and maybe Trump's
doing a good
44:00
thing here overall giving
Turkey half of
44:03
Syria and well it's you know
he's not
44:06
just giving it to Turkey he's
giving it
44:08
to Russia is giving it to Iran
and I
44:10
think is mended to end Syria
yes thank
44:13
in Syria their own country and
fine let
44:16
everyone fight it out you know
let
44:18
everyone run around you know it
was the
44:20
friend she wanted us to do that
I mean
44:22
that's really where it all
comes stems
44:23
from from total oil and and I
haven't
44:26
heard anything about French
that's in
44:29
the Vietnam to if you recall
yeah not
44:33
from firsthand experience but
yeah yeah
44:36
I've seen the Kenz brick Ken
Burns
44:37
documentary but it wasn't
really spelled
44:40
out that well lie about it so
it seems
44:44
to me like what that's just
44:47
what it seems you go on with
that but
44:50
first of all the Russians were
always in
44:53
Syria the word EU sport yes so
what's
44:57
new about Russia being there
nothing
44:59
nope
45:01
No so now all of a sudden is a
big deal
45:06
Russia's pulling this Trump
strings yeah
45:10
well I'm I'm just anti-war so
I'm happy
45:13
with it I don't see any reason
you know
45:15
I understand what are what are
uh what
45:19
our business is here in the
United
45:21
States I'm not ashamed of it
I'd leave
45:23
if I was but you know we create
war
45:25
stuff that's what we spend the
most
45:27
money on that's what the most
people and
45:28
working in an industry and of
course
45:30
they are the other side of it
health
45:31
care but we make war stuff
45:33
there is also an eleven billion
dollar
45:35
contract Erewhon agreed to four
more of
45:38
our stuff as a part of the deal
with
45:39
Trump you know and then so the
same goes
45:42
for Saudi Arabia you know one
hundred
45:43
and ten hundred and twenty
billion
45:45
dollars says like once you guys
take our
45:47
stuff we'll help you operate it
and kill
45:49
each other and we'll just sit
here with
45:50
our own own oil that could be
an actual
45:53
strategy
45:55
it's not a bad strategy I just
like to
45:57
know why the Lib Joe is out
there are
46:00
all pro-war all of a sudden
because the
46:02
anti-trump is just whatever he
does you
46:05
gotta be against him no matter
what your
46:06
position was in the past and
now it's
46:10
get getting to an interesting
point
46:11
where people who should be
pacifists and
46:14
and want peace on earth harb
advocating
46:19
for the exact opposite and
that's what's
46:22
funny that's why he gotta keep
an eye on
46:24
who's doing who's saying what
cuz you
46:26
got to remember what they're
doing
46:29
white musing
46:33
I think we could well this
anger kind of
46:35
crossed over with the wall and
some
46:41
shoehorning ramming through of
the five
46:45
billion dollar budget last
minute
46:47
through the house which of
course that
46:49
has has to go through the
Senate which
46:51
seems impossible but it was I
don't know
46:54
what the move is but the way it
played
46:57
out in the m5m is Trump was
kind of
47:00
hanging back he was defeated
because you
47:02
know Nancy and Chuck went into
the Oval
47:04
Office beat the crap out of him
he was
47:06
like who but then it was
apparently
47:10
people like Ann Coulter and and
anyone
47:15
on Fox who were telling the the
47:17
president that he had no teeth
lost his
47:19
manhood and he should stand up
stand up
47:22
for the wall and hilariously
that's how
47:26
it was interpreted by Jeffrey
Toobin
47:29
constitutional lawyer worst
that guy on
47:31
CNN and Republicans are
complaining
47:34
Jeffrey that they can't figure
out
47:36
exactly where the president
stands they
47:38
meet with him they hear what
he's saying
47:40
but he's not telling them I'm
gonna sign
47:42
this but I'm not gonna sign
that well
47:44
what they should be doing
obviously is
47:46
checking with Ann Coulter
because
47:48
apparently she's the President
of the
47:49
United States as far as this is
47:51
concerned I mean this was a
deal this
47:54
deal was agreed to Mitch
McConnell who
47:56
was nobody's idea of a flaming
liberal
47:58
Paul Ryan everybody thought
this deal
48:01
was done and you know what the
president
48:03
lost on the wall because he
didn't have
48:06
the votes but then you know
Laura
48:08
Ingraham and Ann Coulter started
48:10
challenging the president's
manhood and
48:12
and the the House Republicans
started
48:15
stamping their feet and the
president
48:17
decided no no I'm gonna scream
and yell
48:19
and shut down the government
even though
48:21
I still don't have the votes so
I mean I
48:24
guess and Coulter has to figure
out how
48:26
this is all going to end
because she's
48:27
the person who is driving the
the
48:31
federal government at this
point god
48:33
help us god help us lunatic and
by the
48:38
way what is he I mean this is
just a
48:40
promotion for Ann Coulter yeah
she's
48:43
been misquoted
48:44
and they just user the user is a
48:46
whipping boy they like to throw
around
48:48
but also the manhood thing that
came
48:51
from some overheard
conversation of
48:54
Nancy Pelosi yes exactly
48:58
so I'm not quite sure how this
got I
49:01
mean I didn't follow any of
acts that I
49:02
barely watch that kind of stuff
49:06
so here is here's shields his
Brooks and
49:10
shields by the way they they
took Brooks
49:11
away and they put in his
Gershon guy so
49:14
now his shields and and a worse
shields
49:18
this PBS has gone off the rails
I mean
49:21
they don't have any balance
whatsoever
49:23
anymore but listen to shields
misquoting
49:26
Coulter hours away from yet
another
49:28
government shutdown what does
it say
49:31
about the way things are
working right
49:33
now in our government well
manat well
49:36
Judy I mean we went from a week
ago you
49:38
recall in the White House which
seems
49:40
eons ago when Senator Schumer
and
49:43
Democratic host leader and
speaker
49:45
Pelosi met with the president
and the
49:47
president you know mantle he
stepped up
49:49
and said I'll take the shot to
show it
49:52
shutdown you know be happy to
do it on
49:54
my put it to me then to an
agreement
49:57
with the Senate that it would
stay they
50:02
fund it through the new year
and then
50:04
come back and revisit it and
then
50:07
immediately a reaction a
revulsion if
50:10
you would from the president's
longest
50:13
and strongest supporters TV
commentators
50:16
on the right such as Rush
Limbaugh and
50:18
Coulter and said that this was
a sellout
50:21
that on the wall and Coulter
going so
50:23
far as to say his presidency
was a joke
50:25
and that he had scammed the
American
50:29
people oh so now they brought
into
50:31
compass oh this is all
Republican right
50:34
wing talk people Sochi and now
they're
50:38
now they're important there's
something
50:43
more behind this I don't know
what it is
50:45
yet but there's no reason for a
guy like
50:47
this - I mean okay you can talk
about
50:50
Ann Coulter so that was maybe
some where
50:52
the impetus but you bring in
Rush
50:53
Limbaugh I've heard other you
know of
50:56
course they bring in Hannity
and Carlson
50:57
any anybody they can from
mainly from
51:00
Fox News
51:01
what's the there's there's more
to that
51:04
first of all let's make the
correction
51:07
here that she never said the
presidency
51:09
is a joke
51:11
she had a longer comment she
says if
51:14
after four years he doesn't get
the wall
51:16
built then the presidency will
be a joke
51:19
uh-huh that's a lot different
than the
51:21
presidencies a joke and a scam
I don't
51:24
know where you got even got
that part
51:25
but there is a I don't know
maybe
51:29
they're trying to separate the
herd or
51:32
they're trying to do something
51:34
dividing conquer the right wing
I think
51:37
they're going for a massive
cable D
51:39
platform D platform fox news
from every
51:43
cable station in the platform
your boy
51:49
and hey who's my boy your boy
is hold on
51:53
I'll tell you your boy that's
not your
51:56
boy your boy is savage Michael
Savage
51:59
kicked off in New York so he
effectively
52:02
lost his his New York affiliate
yeah
52:05
that's a huge issue that's a
huge
52:08
problem
52:08
oh it's a major problem he's
now he's
52:11
he's he's deployed effectively D
52:13
platformed from national radio
you don't
52:17
have New York you have almost
nothing I
52:20
come from that business a New
York's a
52:23
big deal it's the deal it's New
York ed
52:26
threw him out just causing a
problem by
52:29
the way I think that it may
cause more
52:31
trouble for WGN this for any
well but
52:33
you know who they're bringing
in and
52:34
this is what I found
interesting Ben
52:37
Shapiro
52:39
Oh God Ben Shapiro is
unlistenable Ben
52:42
Shapiro is a shill he is a
Hollywood
52:46
creation by admission
52:50
he's a Hollywood creation and
now he's
52:52
got he's got the seven stations
he's
52:55
cleared in New York he's
cleared in DC's
52:56
cleared in Chicago these are
good
52:59
stations mmm ABC New York and
WLS
53:03
Chicago he's got Atlanta he's
got KABC
53:05
Los Angeles this is a massive
change but
53:09
Shapiro was also not a not a
pro Trump
53:13
guy no he was anti Trump I
think he is a
53:16
never Trump ER but he's really
being put
53:20
he's he's being positioned in
he can't
53:23
handle it yes he can
53:25
I don't think so you you yes
you can it
53:29
doesn't number people to grab
that three
53:31
hours of talk every day five
days a week
53:34
a year every small number of
people
53:38
they're all semi nuts
53:41
okay well that not that I'm not
53:43
interested in that part of it
I'm he's
53:45
being put in here he has zero
radio
53:47
experience that I know of and
now he's
53:49
like I said he can't Haley
that's what
53:51
you do what you just said is
but it
53:53
doesn't matter because he'll
kill he'll
53:55
stay in there to propagate the
message
53:58
look what's Lucas he's
replacing Michael
54:00
Savage he's nobody's gonna
listen to his
54:02
show it's unimportant it's very
54:06
important it's not WG there's
money
54:09
involved that's very important
okay
54:11
first of all you're wrong
because the
54:13
Ben Shapiro has quite an
audience on
54:15
online and people like him a
lot of
54:18
people like him a lot of
moderate people
54:20
like him I think he he has a
following I
54:23
think it will translate to his
radio
54:25
show but it will effectively
change the
54:28
audience that listens to what
they think
54:32
would be right-wing talk radio
which it
54:34
won't be because it's it's just
not what
54:36
he's not he's he's in there
he's in he's
54:38
more left-wing than right-wing
and it's
54:41
which doesn't work very well on
the
54:42
radio I'm agreeing with you but
they're
54:44
gonna give it a damn good shot
with this
54:46
kid I think he's gonna believe
Monica
54:48
Crowley and some of these
others that
54:50
just do not draw the draw the
audience I
54:53
know what you're saying about
he does
54:56
have an audience you're right
but a
54:57
large massive audience is very
hard to
55:00
control and very hard to
attract and he
55:04
is annoying hey I had this
argument at
55:09
home about the guy so you don't
have to
55:10
tell me this
55:11
but people like him he has a
message
55:14
that is kind of down the middle
and it's
55:16
supplanting again going back
toward the
55:19
original questions like what's
happening
55:22
why are we picking on people
it's - it's
55:24
to get rid of them it's time -
deep
55:26
platform all of these people
well it's a
55:28
good try you can go go for it I
mean did
55:30
you know the joke is of course
you what
55:32
Savage did
55:34
why he's doing a podcast yeah
he's doing
55:39
a podcast is all you New
Yorkers listen
55:41
to my podcast and I think a lot
of them
55:43
will because I think I think if
55:45
anybody's gonna drive the
podcasting
55:47
side of the industry it could
be him
55:50
thank you Michael
55:51
now yeah yeah we need more
competition
55:54
good I want you I did we don't
company
55:57
we don't we we don't have any
real
55:59
competition now I want to
mention
56:03
something about five six years
ago I
56:06
think it was and I ever since
then I
56:08
banished
56:08
I used your reaction you don't
even
56:13
remember this I'm absolutely
sure of it
56:14
I played a ben shapiro clip on
this show
56:18
around six years ago and you
went nuts
56:22
really yes you hated the guy
you didn't
56:26
like his but you didn't like
anything
56:28
about me I've never said that
no no play
56:31
me the tape
56:33
it was like you were so worked
by this
56:35
clip that I Nev never played a
bench
56:38
trick do you have the clips
since it's a
56:41
lot too long ago I probably do
have it
56:43
I'll see if I can find it and
we'll play
56:45
it again and see what your
reaction is
56:47
but what was he doing six years
ago your
56:51
react your reaction is the
general
56:53
public's reaction to a guy like
this now
56:56
maybe six years ago maybe he
look he
56:58
went to a complete change he
went
57:00
through you know wardrobe hair
makeup
57:03
the whole thing you know he's
got he's
57:05
good for radio he's got a bit
yeah he's
57:07
got a big-time agent yeah it is
it
57:09
really is that's what you get
with an
57:11
ingre ham that's what you get
with these
57:12
you know Sean Hannity it's a
certain
57:14
look it's a certain type but
he's a wolf
57:18
in sheep's clothing I'm trying
to see if
57:21
my brother Nathaniel let me see
if I can
57:24
find your your shapiro clip
from six
57:27
years ago you might be at a
shapiro
57:32
might not hmm okay well that's
not
57:35
helpful then I mean you'd look
at look
57:40
your search engine let me see
2014 maybe
57:45
it's five years ago ben shapiro
57:48
on guns ben shapiro guns more
morality
57:52
socialism narcissism egomaniacs
57:58
ben shapiro on Jews now that was
58:01
seventeen uh no I don't have
now I don't
58:05
know that's for to drop it well
you
58:08
brought it up I think I think
Ben
58:10
Shapiro radio is gonna be a
fail and
58:13
it'll be fat faster than weed
okay I
58:16
think it will be successful and
you will
58:19
eat crow I will refuse to eat
crow crows
58:24
have a very noble bird
58:29
uh how did we get onto this we
were
58:32
talking about the these guys
going off
58:35
on Colt or yeah and meanwhile
we had I
58:39
played the shield's clip where
he makes
58:41
all these assertions so then I
expect
58:43
this guy Gershon from the Guapo
wawapo
58:46
comes on and he's talking about
this is
58:50
the same the topic is about the
way
58:52
Trump handled the budget issue
to the
58:55
point where we're at an impasse
where
58:57
does the fault lie well big
picture this
59:00
shows how easy the President of
the
59:03
United States is to manipulate
I mean he
59:05
had agreed to a deal then some
of his
59:07
you know toughest supporters
Limbaugh
59:09
Ann Coulter and some of the
team in the
59:14
Fox News morning programs came
out
59:17
against it and he changed his
view like
59:20
a puppet on a string it was
really
59:23
extraordinary a sign of weak
leadership
59:26
and I could bet you that Russia
and
59:30
China and North Korea look at
something
59:33
like that about how easy this
president
59:35
is to manipulate so that's the
context
59:38
for this the you know I so I
don't think
59:40
that he can make a particularly
good
59:42
case having agreed already to
something
59:46
rather reasonable that you know
the 30
59:49
that he changed his view with
good
59:51
reason he can't make that case
59:55
what kind of balance is this
1:00:00
when it comes to the PBS yeah
1:00:04
there's no balance there are
people that
1:00:07
could rationalize and maybe
give us some
1:00:10
perspective from a different
you know
1:00:12
point of view but no PBS
they've already
1:00:14
done this with with the global
warming
1:00:17
and they've admitted it they
cannot have
1:00:19
it and gory even tried it them
before
1:00:22
even thinking about it you
cannot have
1:00:24
anybody on a arguing against
you can't
1:00:28
have anyone against the global
warming
1:00:31
thesis on the show they've
already said
1:00:33
that so do you have two people
on
1:00:35
there's no balance they're both
going to
1:00:36
say the same thing right now
they've
1:00:38
done it with the shields and
Brooks
1:00:40
segment where you got shields
who hates
1:00:43
Trump with a guy who hates
Trump more is
1:00:46
that what your balance is real
haze and
1:00:49
kind of subtle hate maybe Nitin
doesn't
1:00:51
hate him so much but this guy
hates him
1:00:52
a lot and that's what there's
your
1:00:54
balance as balance there isn't
there if
1:00:56
I were you I'd return my
donation and my
1:00:58
tote bag luckily I don't donate
to them
1:01:02
let's listen to another
globalist mazie
1:01:05
Hirono who they like to call
because you
1:01:08
know no one ever heard of mazie
Hirono
1:01:10
of Hawaii that's because she's
pretty
1:01:13
much an idiot yes but she says
fun
1:01:16
things I was very distressed by
it of
1:01:18
course and he made it very
clear that he
1:01:22
and Presidential we're not on
the same
1:01:25
page in terms of their world
views and
1:01:27
of course Trump's war wheel is
is very
1:01:32
how shall I say whack because
she comes
1:01:36
up with it himself these last
two days I
1:01:39
feel as though we have been on
a roller
1:01:40
coaster with him at the
controls because
1:01:44
first there's the announcement
that
1:01:45
we're getting out of Syria
where we know
1:01:47
that he didn't discuss it with
anybody
1:01:49
including general mattis no
giving a
1:01:52
huge Christmas present to Putin
and to
1:01:55
Iran because I've been very
focused on
1:01:58
what's going on as a border
they make an
1:02:00
announcement that people who
come who
1:02:02
are coming through for asylum
purposes
1:02:04
have to wait on the Mexican
side where
1:02:07
there are huge safety concerns
for so
1:02:09
many of the children
1:02:10
and then of course the Senate
did the
1:02:13
responsible thing last night by
keeping
1:02:16
government running passing this
bill by
1:02:18
a voice vote and only to have
1:02:21
presidential get all worked up
because
1:02:23
he's got some right wing loud
people
1:02:26
yelling at him on Fox News and
suddenly
1:02:30
he says well I don't think I'm
gonna
1:02:32
sign it so it is very true that
he will
1:02:35
bring on the shutdown and he
has to take
1:02:37
responsibility for it any
effort on his
1:02:40
part to blame the Democrats
will be such
1:02:42
bullshit that as I said before
I would
1:02:44
hardly gave it a stamp it I
think she
1:02:46
said bullshit I give her points
for the
1:02:52
bullshit yeah but there's that
there's
1:02:55
the the clear talking point you
know
1:02:56
it's like the crazy people on
Fox News
1:02:58
it's and you know there go not
on the
1:03:01
same page every Ally yeah I I
think
1:03:05
really this has more to do with
a
1:03:07
serious media offensive on a
competitor
1:03:11
in the space you know Mike your
theory
1:03:15
and the Michael Savage stuff
presented
1:03:17
subscriber but I like the
Michael Savage
1:03:19
removal from ABC in New York is
an
1:03:22
advertiser related issue you
know they
1:03:25
went after his advertisers
1:03:28
yeah well they do that well
yeah well
1:03:31
they were successful that's my
point is
1:03:33
that we could do every show we
can bring
1:03:35
one example of that if that's
the
1:03:36
problem with the media today
right but
1:03:38
it but when it's working and
let's see
1:03:41
how it goes you know we'll see
there's
1:03:43
too much of this at the same
time it's
1:03:45
too much of the same stuff I
think
1:03:47
there's more there's a little
more
1:03:48
behind it but could be wrong we
need to
1:03:53
talk about deep platforming in
general
1:03:55
because I do we have a couple
of things
1:03:56
to discuss we'll do that in a
moment but
1:03:58
first I do need to thank you
for your
1:04:00
courage and say in the morning
to the
1:04:02
man who put the C in the DRC
John well
1:04:08
in the morning to you mr. Adam
Curry
1:04:11
also in the morning that all
ships at
1:04:13
sea
1:04:13
and boots on the ground and
feet the air
1:04:15
and subs in the water and also
the dames
1:04:18
and the nights out there and a
hearty
1:04:21
ho-ho in the morning to the
trolls in
1:04:23
our troll room at no agenda
stream comm
1:04:25
and they are active today but
always
1:04:29
handled one-liners the
information to
1:04:31
feedback it's a great way to if
you're
1:04:32
producing a show I recommend
you try to
1:04:35
record it while doing it live
and have a
1:04:37
troll room but get your own
trolls no
1:04:40
agenda stream dot-com also a
thanks to
1:04:43
our artists for the 1096
episode of this
1:04:46
podcast series Mike Reilly
brought us
1:04:49
that artwork which a lot of
people liked
1:04:52
a lot of people did like fried
their
1:04:55
brain and when you first see it
when you
1:04:59
see this map of the world and
you see
1:05:01
Africa and and Europe reversed
on the
1:05:03
map it her kind of hurts your
brain for
1:05:06
a second but everyone got it
even before
1:05:08
they had heard the show like
okay I know
1:05:10
I know what this is supposed to
mean it
1:05:12
was good I thought it was a
great piece
1:05:15
yeah it really had the well my
Riley who
1:05:19
has been left out of the out of
the
1:05:22
winner's circle for a while it
appeared
1:05:25
to have been kind of decided
okay he's
1:05:27
appeared to have decided to win
a fight
1:05:31
he put a lot of art up yeah I
did I'm
1:05:36
not letting this one slide by
and he did
1:05:38
have the best piece and that
was it well
1:05:42
we do have a few people to
thank for
1:05:43
being executive producers and
associate
1:05:45
executive producers for show
1097 yes
1:05:47
and I do want to reiterate we
are doing
1:05:49
a live show we also be doing a
live show
1:05:51
before New Year's unlike
everybody else
1:05:54
in media who's taking it off
taking it
1:05:57
easy sipping the eggnog we're
here at
1:05:59
the at the wheel grinding away
for you
1:06:01
know eggnog for us
1:06:04
at least not at the moment Sir
David the
1:06:08
Baron of Pennsylvania came in
at the top
1:06:10
of the list at 444 dollars in
44 cents
1:06:12
from Norristown Pennsylvania he
wishes
1:06:15
all the producers and hosts
hosts a
1:06:18
berry would be Merry Christmas
and a
1:06:21
Happy New Year mm-hmm no
jingles no
1:06:25
nothing
1:06:25
no he says NJ and GS what is
that no
1:06:29
jingles no go scream I gave it
to you
1:06:36
anyway I got it no jingles no
goat
1:06:38
scream took me a second okay
sir Cal for
1:06:43
220 bucks there he is
1:06:44
yes sir Cal this donation is
Lou of the
1:06:48
farm bill getting signed making
HAMP and
1:06:50
CBT is CBD legal nationwide
right a
1:06:53
little girl yay please
pronounce or
1:06:56
announce our coupon cole code
ITM again
1:07:00
we've been getting a lot of
support and
1:07:02
love from the No Agenda folk
mostly
1:07:04
thanks to you - happy holidays
good
1:07:07
health and lots of bourbon -
you and
1:07:09
your family circle of the
lavender
1:07:11
blossoms dot-org that's lavender
1:07:13
blossoms or goes free publicity
is a CVD
1:07:17
specialist well I mean I get
all my CBD
1:07:21
products from lavender blossoms
org and
1:07:25
Cal just showed up on our radar
and said
1:07:26
oh yeah I've been doing this
I'll send
1:07:28
you some
1:07:29
but he gives a discount to to
know what
1:07:31
general listeners with the ITM
code and
1:07:33
I like his little of 420
donation that's
1:07:36
nice thank you sir Cal your
product joke
1:07:39
that's funny got it now I don't
know why
1:07:41
I got it all right uh odd word
sir
1:07:49
Donald barosky by count
1:07:51
he is the sir Donal of the fire
bottles
1:07:55
Vai count of Eastern Washington
yes yes
1:07:58
yes yes and he sent us three
hundred
1:08:00
fifty nine dollars and 37 cents
which is
1:08:02
Uzi which is a lot for him
because
1:08:04
normally he sends in smaller
amounts but
1:08:06
still gives his notes red
because
1:08:08
they're on United Federation of
Planets
1:08:09
letterhead
1:08:11
Starfleet Command to be specific
1:08:15
gentleman I missed the donation
1:08:17
opportunity for show 1089 33
squared
1:08:22
let me overcompensate with a
donation in
1:08:25
pennies of 33 cubed which is
three
1:08:34
hundred fifty nine dollars and
37 cents
1:08:36
this donation marks four years
of
1:08:39
listening Wow my sanity has
never been
1:08:42
better end of show request the
song it's
1:08:46
time to do it now in the
morning our
1:08:50
sweet version which opens no
agenda show
1:08:53
300 well if you don't mind I
will gladly
1:08:56
do that
1:08:57
on the next show we have and
this is a
1:08:59
Christmas show so that we can't
play
1:09:01
anymore end of show mixes about
1:09:03
Christmas so I have a number of
them
1:09:05
lined up so I will do it again
I think
1:09:07
that's appropriate yeah
1:09:10
and I speak for the peerage
committee
1:09:11
when I say that and that and
that then
1:09:14
he says other than that doesn't
have
1:09:16
anything but that requesters
I'm looking
1:09:18
at both sides of the sheet nope
I get
1:09:20
him a car a general car make
and use it
1:09:23
you've got karma walkman of
Buckeye
1:09:30
Briana's $33.33 he's in
Louisville Ohio
1:09:34
ITM gents my cybersecurity sales
1:09:38
commissions are yours for the
hard work
1:09:40
of media deconstruction a
Christmas no
1:09:42
agenda tip here indulge on the
eggnog
1:09:46
smoke them if you got them and
keep
1:09:49
watering those trees but most
1:09:51
importantly keep crackpot and
buzz
1:09:54
killed going by contributing
shout-out
1:09:58
to my smokin hot milf wife Laura
1:10:01
Merry Christmas Adam and John
Merry
1:10:04
Christmas sir walk win a
Buckeye thank
1:10:06
you know we have a note here
and this
1:10:09
one is I got it I got a package
from
1:10:11
Behrend eh slammer did you get
a package
1:10:14
I did did you open your package
yeah of
1:10:19
course they did I got a space
for Stalin
1:10:22
join I got a space force
challenge coin
1:10:24
- what did you anything else I
got some
1:10:28
glycerin soap yeah with
professor Ted
1:10:30
yeah yeah I got that one - did
you get a
1:10:34
bottle of mulled wine yes a
bottle of
1:10:38
wine with the mulling stuff
yeah it was
1:10:41
so nice and it was yeah it was
nice
1:10:42
package well let's say this is
not
1:10:44
really from Barren da slammer
it is from
1:10:49
Barren da slammer Berenice bang
bang
1:10:52
Dame Simona Sir Andrew and
master Emmett
1:10:56
yes master Emmett is lined with
a goat
1:10:58
head up here I get the idea
that bang
1:11:03
bang and slammer
1:11:04
you know forced their kids to
work jobs
1:11:07
to donate to the show do you
get that
1:11:10
feeling
1:11:11
and I never got it before but
now you
1:11:13
mention it and I like it I
think it's
1:11:15
good like yours you gotta
support the
1:11:18
show he racing closes a bottle
meld
1:11:21
mulled wine featuring
inappropriate
1:11:23
label that John John should
enjoy cos
1:11:25
Adam wouldn't die drunk which
pairs
1:11:27
nicely with the holiday holiday
order
1:11:30
whores devours and great
company you
1:11:33
will find a space for Stalin
join and
1:11:36
custom handmade professor Ted
glycerin
1:11:38
soap happy winter solstice from
Baron da
1:11:41
slammer
1:11:42
bang bang Simona and Andrew and
master
1:11:46
Emmett's so who I believe is the
1:11:50
youngest one if you look at his
1:11:51
signature yes I sure want to
thank them
1:11:54
for this find donation a space
force
1:11:57
you've got to get that really
appreciate
1:12:05
it Jonah do NATO NATO in Liberty
1:12:11
Missouri $280
1:12:14
2x Boober for the great
greatest podcast
1:12:17
went to great GPC greatest
podcast I
1:12:21
guess greatest but we're okay
1:12:24
best podcast actually shout out
to Earl
1:12:26
Robert f2 Earl Robert altar and
the
1:12:30
producers of Na who are shining
examples
1:12:33
of non douchebaggery I'm
calling out my
1:12:36
brother Chris lemon lemonade or
lemonade
1:12:41
er Lemaitre something like that
who hit
1:12:44
me in the mouth and oh nine but
has been
1:12:46
a douchebag for a long time the
standard
1:12:50
by which other podcasts are
measured
1:12:52
Semper Fi mother effers thank
you Joe
1:13:08
Nikki lo le I think lu le l o e
le $250
1:13:15
should be associate executive
producer I
1:13:16
apologize for the email is
afraid that
1:13:18
my message get cut off online
while I
1:13:20
said oh ma I'm donating the
show no 1097
1:13:23
on behalf of my wonderful
boyfriend
1:13:24
Andrew for Christmas Oh both of
us are
1:13:28
huge fans from central New
Jersey we
1:13:30
both thank you for the five
hours of
1:13:33
sanity per week that we cherish
1:13:35
hopefully Andrew will hear this
because
1:13:37
I caught him skipping the
donation
1:13:40
segment in the past what I'd
like to
1:13:43
request a new blood new blood
ah jingle
1:13:46
and any clip involving a vocal
fry if
1:13:49
possible also since andrew has
never
1:13:54
donated himself he's a douche
bag
1:13:57
Oh his behalf that make might
make me
1:14:02
the douchebag no it doesn't I'm
aware of
1:14:05
I'm not aware of how it works
but
1:14:07
someone should be called out as
a douche
1:14:10
bag we did merry Christmas to
you both
1:14:12
Nikki kidding all right
obviously i
1:14:15
reaiiy read the New York Times
like all
1:14:18
day long mainly I pad
1:14:32
you've got karma you know I
love it when
1:14:41
people do stuff like that no
gifts
1:14:43
birthdays Christmas it's very
sweet
1:14:46
thanks Nikki
1:14:48
Alex Brewer in Nags Head North
Carolina
1:14:51
2 5 2 3 4 5 7
1:14:54
uh there's Alex of ignite films
the
1:14:57
southern Hollywood outfit I
remember
1:14:59
that sure yeah Alex said yeah
night
1:15:02
films is one of those filmmaking
1:15:03
operations I could go down
there and do
1:15:05
a bit part I can do I can take
one day
1:15:07
and do a short bit fame is in
your cards
1:15:12
hey hey who's knocking on the
door
1:15:17
huh how was that Arthur hit me
in the
1:15:22
kisser in the summer of 16 a
summer full
1:15:24
of ups and downs as I Wed my
smoking hot
1:15:27
wife Sarah saw a dramatic
uptick in the
1:15:30
success of my small business
and most of
1:15:32
all found you too and became
aware of
1:15:34
your infinite wisdom now I have
been
1:15:37
unleashed upon the world with a
new
1:15:39
perspective as the proverbial
wool has
1:15:41
been lifted from my three eyes
thanks to
1:15:45
your deconstruction of the
media I've
1:15:46
embraced a new way of looking at
1:15:48
situations whether they be yarn
spun by
1:15:51
our beloved m5m or daily
interactions in
1:15:55
my personal life and all done
with
1:15:58
laughs and giggles to boot I
look
1:16:00
forward to achieving knighthood
in the
1:16:01
near future thank you Alex and
Merry
1:16:04
Christmas to you throw a little
karma
1:16:05
your way you've got karma no
from his
1:16:11
dad - he wishes next he
probably and
1:16:15
they did it but one did five
seven one
1:16:16
two five six I get it now
1:16:18
he probably has less they're
both
1:16:21
antennas or he's in North
Carolina dad's
1:16:23
in Tennessee but that part of
the world
1:16:24
the likelihood of listening to
the show
1:16:27
developing kind of a different
1:16:29
perspective on things and then
losing
1:16:31
all your friends yeah is less
there yes
1:16:35
yes it's true true I like this
idea of
1:16:39
people donating and because
clearly they
1:16:43
understand how it works you know
1:16:44
changing it by one penny to be
right
1:16:46
after that person on the
donation list
1:16:51
before Africa is an interesting
way to
1:16:53
coordinate I like it so this is
bad yeah
1:16:56
yo Arthur Brewer in Madisonville
1:16:58
Tennessee Alex was in Nags Head
North
1:17:02
Carolina two or three four five
six one
1:17:06
penniless as you're now now
aware as
1:17:09
you're now where I hit my son
Alex of
1:17:10
ignite films of southern
Hollywood out
1:17:12
they put this so that's already
what
1:17:15
outfit squaring the mouth about
18
1:17:17
months ago we are both loyal
supporters
1:17:19
the best podcast in the
universe hands
1:17:21
down and never misses show your
1:17:23
deconstruction to the m5m is
spot-on
1:17:25
every time and we thought and we
1:17:27
thoroughly enjoy your fantastic
analysis
1:17:30
playful banter
1:17:31
and the all-around great vibes
in every
1:17:34
tasty morsel of the show I very
much
1:17:37
look forward to my knighting
ceremony
1:17:39
soon take care
1:17:41
Arthur your once and future
king all
1:17:44
right Thank You Arthur also and
thanks
1:17:46
for hitting your kid in the
mouth that's
1:17:48
important stuff karma you've
got karma
1:17:55
there kids in the mouth all the
time
1:17:57
yeah well that's what they do
1:17:59
David Nixon and Montreal Quebec
two to
1:18:02
two ITM John I believe this
gets me
1:18:06
tonight hood especially with
the kick
1:18:08
and an avian dollars are like a
goat
1:18:09
karma and to be henceforth
known as sir
1:18:12
Dave of Lower Canada
1:18:15
Merry Christmas fantastic Dave
see on
1:18:18
the podium later on in the show
1:18:20
looking forward to it you've
got it was
1:18:27
the guys on the matter no
agenda social
1:18:30
calm but they came up with a
new a new
1:18:35
karma jingle that I wanted to
share
1:18:38
you've got
1:18:44
I had heard that one for like
getting a
1:18:47
little shawarma
1:18:50
shwarma yeah David no cat was
David
1:18:54
Nixon Michael Riordan a 200 $1
Merry
1:18:58
Christmas guys my wife and I
love your
1:19:00
show all the best wishes for
another
1:19:02
stellar year in 2019 a nice
dose of
1:19:04
all-around karma to kick off
the new
1:19:06
year please Mike and Monica ITM
thank
1:19:09
you guys you've got karma damned
1:19:16
firecracker in Frisco Texas 200
bucks
1:19:20
merry Christmas to my wonderful
husband
1:19:22
getting you on the way to
knighthood
1:19:25
lots of this kiss goes this is
gonna be
1:19:27
dedicated
1:19:28
lots of love Climategate jingle
please
1:19:32
that's so sweet that you do
that you've
1:19:47
got karma last our list of
associate
1:19:54
executive producers is is
Derrick Boggs
1:19:57
$200 parts unknown keep them
the great
1:20:00
the great work I'm donating
because you
1:20:03
guys are the best and the
deconstruction
1:20:05
that you do on climate change
this is a
1:20:08
coincidence for you mm-hmm
excitement
1:20:10
change is unrivaled goat goat
it is
1:20:17
you've got refers to greatest
of all
1:20:26
time yes
1:20:28
shows a double entendre which
without
1:20:31
the
1:20:34
I want to thank all these folks
are
1:20:35
being executive producers an
associate
1:20:37
executive producers show 1097
that
1:20:39
wouldn't show wouldn't be even
here if
1:20:41
it wasn't for you and all the
rest of
1:20:43
the producers and we want to
mention you
1:20:47
know we got 97 98 99 we have
show 11
1:20:51
lucky 11 100 coming up first
show of the
1:20:54
2019
1:20:56
fantastic and that will be what
is it
1:20:58
the third two three it's at the
third no
1:21:02
I it's yeah we'd be the fourth
first is
1:21:08
on Tuesday
1:21:09
okay second third you're right
okay
1:21:11
sorry alright so the third and
that'll
1:21:13
be show 1100 man that will be a
good
1:21:16
newsletter I want to thank
everybody
1:21:20
just give it a preview 1100
okay great
1:21:26
we're here we did it who can't
believe
1:21:29
we made it
1:21:29
1100 thank you to our executive
1:21:32
producers and our associate
executive
1:21:33
producers for this Christmas
show it is
1:21:37
nice that you have supported
the work if
1:21:39
you never know with stuff like
this if
1:21:40
we can you know we can get any
support
1:21:42
cuz most people face it you
know just
1:21:43
getting ready to celebrate
Christmas so
1:21:45
and I see on the stream people
are
1:21:47
showing up so we love it and
these
1:21:48
credits can be used anywhere
credit to
1:21:50
recognize so please take them
out and
1:21:53
post them and get whatever you
need out
1:21:56
of it and thank you for
supporting do
1:21:58
you know agenda show we do have
another
1:21:59
show coming up on a Sunday and
again
1:22:03
that'll be our pre New Year's
New Year's
1:22:07
do that what now this just
coming up on
1:22:10
Thursday what's today Sunday
1:22:14
it's always Thursday Dvorak org
slash
1:22:18
and a they - no agenda don't
they - no
1:22:27
agenda donate - no agenda for a
happy
1:22:31
new year we'll reach a note my
achieve
1:22:34
goals reach it out templayer
jingles
1:22:36
preaching no dead player gene
our
1:22:45
formula is this we go out we're
here
1:22:49
people in the mouth
1:23:01
yes Chris Wilson from Australia
the
1:23:03
drunken drunkard minstrel has
outdone
1:23:07
himself along with the charles
couch
1:23:11
secret agent paul tom
Starkweather put
1:23:15
together some great end of show
mixes
1:23:17
for us goat and Christmas
oriented
1:23:22
cool because we're very goat
oriented
1:23:25
crashing show with a great
Christmas
1:23:27
medley yes yeah it'll be good
one
1:23:32
d platforming yes I want to
talk about D
1:23:35
platforming for a moment and
1:23:39
this I think it came we were
talking
1:23:41
maybe I should play this this
clip first
1:23:42
actually
1:23:45
this is about 5g
1:23:48
yeah I do want to play this
actually
1:23:50
because you were deep
platformed from PC
1:23:53
Magazine before right if we're
basically
1:23:56
just questioning 5g technology
well I
1:24:00
wasn't even that what I did is
I wrote a
1:24:04
column about how many people
were
1:24:06
questioning it I wasn't
questioning it
1:24:08
and I outlined all these
different
1:24:11
things and then I made the
assertion
1:24:12
that this could become a
problem for
1:24:14
people promoting 5g and
interestingly
1:24:18
AT&T announced just this week
that they
1:24:21
would be updating their phones
so if you
1:24:25
have 18 T on your Android phone
or your
1:24:27
iPhone you will within the new
year
1:24:31
receive a little notification
or it says
1:24:33
4G LTE it'll say 5g e which
stands for
1:24:40
evolution which means it's not
5g it's
1:24:43
bullcrap it's marketing but
these guys
1:24:46
old crap but they but they're
stupid
1:24:47
this is the possibly the
stupidest thing
1:24:50
you can do to gain market share
in
1:24:52
unproven technology that is not
rolled
1:24:55
out I mean unproven in
certainly from a
1:24:57
health perspective but unproven
in many
1:24:59
areas they want to be the first
cuz you
1:25:02
know t-mobile is trying to get
out there
1:25:04
be first yeah foam finger where
AT&T but
1:25:08
when you hear about some of the
1:25:10
testimony going on about 5g
such as dr.
1:25:13
Sharon Goldberg that I have
here she's
1:25:16
an internal medicine physician
and
1:25:18
professor and she's testifying
here
1:25:20
about the possible dangers of a
low
1:25:23
electromagnetic radiation
associated
1:25:26
with the 5g telephony networks
wireless
1:25:28
radiation has biological
effects period
1:25:32
this is no longer a subject for
debate
1:25:34
when you look at PubMed and the
1:25:35
peer-reviewed literature these
effects
1:25:38
are seen in all life forms
plants
1:25:40
animals insects microbes in
humans we
1:25:45
have clear evidence of cancer
now there
1:25:47
is no question we have it
evidence of
1:25:50
DNA damage cardiomyopathy which
is the
1:25:53
precursor of congestive heart
failure
1:25:55
neuropsychiatric effects so 5g
is not a
1:25:58
conversation about whether or
not these
1:26:01
by alive
1:26:01
cool effects exist they clearly
do we've
1:26:04
been sitting on the evidence
for EMR and
1:26:07
chronic disease for decades and
now we
1:26:11
are seeing all these epidemics
appearing
1:26:14
diabetes is the first epidemic
I think
1:26:17
most of you know the statistics
one in
1:26:19
three American children will
become
1:26:21
diabetic in their lifetime and
if
1:26:23
they're Hispanic females the
number is
1:26:24
one in two so what does this
have to do
1:26:27
with wireless radiation Wireless
1:26:29
radiation and other
electromagnetic
1:26:30
fields such as magnetic fields
and dirty
1:26:33
electricity have been clearly
associated
1:26:36
with elevated blood sugar and
diabetes
1:26:38
that is what the peer-reviewed
1:26:40
literature says it is not
opinion the
1:26:42
closer you live to a cell tower
the
1:26:44
higher your blood glucose so
the idea
1:26:48
with small cells of putting the
cells
1:26:50
closer to people's homes and
bedrooms
1:26:52
scientifically is very
dangerous and
1:26:55
from an economic perspective
it's
1:26:56
dangerous and you may not know
this I
1:26:59
was shocked to find this out
but the way
1:27:01
you create a diabetic diet ease
in rats
1:27:04
in the lab is by exposing them
to 2.4
1:27:07
gigahertz and this is not for
long-term
1:27:10
exposure the other epidemics
that
1:27:12
clearly linked from the science
with
1:27:14
electromagnetic radiation or
related to
1:27:17
mental health and this is this
is
1:27:19
straight from PubMed this isn't
my
1:27:22
opinion this is science so we
have three
1:27:26
epidemics but clearly they're
1:27:28
essentially one epidemic we
have a
1:27:30
deterioration of mental health
in the
1:27:32
United States so and these
epidemics are
1:27:35
our suicide epidemic epidemics
in
1:27:38
violent course of shootings and
the
1:27:40
opioid epidemic these are facts
these
1:27:43
are and these are things that
have just
1:27:44
been glossed over by the
wireless
1:27:46
industry and I really don't
have time to
1:27:48
talk about them in five minutes
I wish I
1:27:49
did but we need to examine our
epidemics
1:27:52
in the context of our EMF
exposures now
1:27:56
I want to believe all this but
I have to
1:27:59
say listening to her with its
PubMed
1:28:02
peer reviewed its science the
science is
1:28:05
in no-questions-asked shut up
slave I'm
1:28:07
a little skeptical about it now
1:28:10
yeah
1:28:12
what do you think what do you
think I
1:28:15
know I don't have any first-hand
1:28:18
knowledge of any this I do know
I have a
1:28:20
number of friends that were on
the cell
1:28:22
phones too long and they're all
dead
1:28:24
because of the cell phone I
heard all I
1:28:27
know is it seems unlikely that
they
1:28:28
would have been dead otherwise
I don't
1:28:31
know dude I mean you can take
any
1:28:33
perspective you want on this
the lot
1:28:35
there's but there's like a
number of
1:28:37
what there's a couple of
professors who
1:28:38
want to Cal it has a web page
filled
1:28:41
with documents about this mm-hmm
1:28:43
apparently it's being studied
to death
1:28:44
and most of these things get
suppressed
1:28:46
and that concerns me that
concerns me
1:28:49
more than what she says and
she's not
1:28:51
saying the science isn't because
1:28:53
everybody else says she's full
of crap
1:28:54
well the science is in on the
other side
1:28:57
the thing that that bugged me
about her
1:29:00
testimony she's talking about
2.4
1:29:03
gigahertz
1:29:03
that's not 5g is not supposed
to be much
1:29:05
higher is that isn't that in
the 50
1:29:07
gigahertz range there's another
woman
1:29:10
who got deep platform for
writing about
1:29:12
Wi-Fi uh-huh calling it wife
ride yeah
1:29:17
and we do know it's a microwave
oven
1:29:20
frequency that has got all
kinds of
1:29:22
protections around the
microwave oven
1:29:24
and we're slowly microwave being
1:29:27
microwave oven and most of us
have
1:29:30
already disrupted it's not it's
not at
1:29:31
those levels it's no big deal
but it
1:29:35
turns out that that is a big
deal
1:29:37
according to some studies and
they
1:29:38
believe that the microwave
frequency
1:29:42
which is our you know Wi-Fi
everyone has
1:29:44
it you got one probably I was
gonna say
1:29:46
I your feet there I have I have
2.4
1:29:50
gigahertz on my head both sides
my my
1:29:52
hearing aids use a 2.4
gigahertz yes for
1:29:56
the Apple AirPlay line if I
were you I'd
1:29:58
be concerned
1:29:59
I'm very good is that the
diabetes epic
1:30:06
is epidemic is because it's
just the
1:30:08
constant exposures constant
exposure to
1:30:10
this now that that part I think
is
1:30:12
sounds realistic but also maybe
we
1:30:15
should just stop eating junk in
America
1:30:17
that might might help us
separate all
1:30:19
these issues so there's there
still it's
1:30:21
still growing it's it's it's
interest
1:30:24
yes Willa combination is that
1:30:26
now the the 5g is totally
different
1:30:29
stories about business micro
millimeter
1:30:32
wave technology is completely
different
1:30:34
right and this penetrating
stuff and
1:30:38
millimeter wave doesn't
penetrate very
1:30:40
well no which which is why you
need all
1:30:42
the million of these things with
1:30:45
themselves with with millimeter
waves
1:30:48
it's just the very sketchy this
1:30:50
technology is it's like all
technologies
1:30:52
when they first come out there
they
1:30:54
rushed the market so if
somebody can
1:30:56
make a lot of money and we'll
deal with
1:30:58
it later and even and I said on
some
1:31:00
show that I was on I can't
remember the
1:31:02
name of it unfortunately I
should be
1:31:03
able to but I probably lost my
memory
1:31:06
from why fried the I call this
the
1:31:10
potential this whole wireless
revolution
1:31:14
maybe the asbestos of this 21st
century
1:31:18
and all the companies that are
that are
1:31:23
potential for being sued out of
business
1:31:28
includes Intel right
1:31:34
but if this is a problem they
would want
1:31:36
to touch it up for as long as
they could
1:31:38
until they can fix the problem
if they
1:31:39
can fix it at all but they're
rushing
1:31:41
the market with this 5g because
those
1:31:43
guys the big telecom companies
are all
1:31:45
in there they don't care about
the
1:31:47
technology as long as you know
they get
1:31:49
they just want the marketing
angle they
1:31:50
want the investor angle that's
what it
1:31:52
seems like to me as well
1:31:53
yeah trying to run their stock
up trying
1:31:55
to but this could be a two-way
sword
1:31:57
bigger to it because the
two-way sorta
1:32:00
like that they they can get
their
1:32:04
investors can turn on them as
something
1:32:06
bet you know some real something
1:32:08
definitive comes out of like
Washington
1:32:10
the White House let's say about
five G
1:32:13
Trump turns on it for example I
mean is
1:32:15
this real risk so I think so it
comes
1:32:17
down to Marcus really yeah yeah
okay
1:32:21
well then it makes sense that
you got
1:32:22
deep platform for that Jordan
you know
1:32:26
the biggest advertisers in the
United
1:32:28
States are Verizon
1:32:30
t-mobile de Katie's second or
third
1:32:33
those guys that advertise the
most so
1:32:35
that would make sense that a
magazine
1:32:37
like PC Mag has sold out well I
think
1:32:43
they've all sold out
1:32:45
the the number one way I see
these days
1:32:49
for you to get deep platformed
is to
1:32:52
call yourself a creator I would
advise
1:32:56
you don't do it have you
noticed this I
1:32:58
think I may have mentioned it
before I'm
1:32:59
this it really irks me I can't
explain
1:33:01
exactly why but and it's and it
revolves
1:33:05
around the patreon discussion
which for
1:33:08
some reason people are still
incredibly
1:33:10
surprised that patreon does not
stand
1:33:13
for complete free speech but
really for
1:33:16
what their community will will
accept
1:33:19
and oh my goodness this is you
got
1:33:21
kicked off because you know you
didn't
1:33:23
fit within the community and
people are
1:33:25
surprised like patreon owes them
1:33:27
something but every single one
of these
1:33:29
people talks about creators and
I think
1:33:33
it's insulting and I think it's
bad that
1:33:35
to lump every tool on
podcasters and
1:33:38
youtubers and and Scott Adams
calls
1:33:41
himself a creator like it's
just why is
1:33:44
this bothering me can you
please look in
1:33:46
my head doctor Dvorak I don't
know what
1:33:50
is something I think it's
actually the
1:33:52
sound of the word or the word
itself or
1:33:54
the generality about what it is
or maybe
1:33:57
it trivializes or marginalizes
that's
1:33:59
what I use yeah I think maybe
that's it
1:34:02
I'm a podcaster I'm proud to
say I'm a
1:34:03
podcaster it's not a creator
1:34:06
well you create a podcast it
was creator
1:34:09
maybe it's cuz it sounds more
like I'm
1:34:10
God I'm a creator I'm God that's
1:34:13
probably you might see it as
blasphemous
1:34:16
and most of these people
probably do
1:34:18
think they're all that and a
bag of
1:34:19
chips so then maybe that's why
they call
1:34:21
them sir we are the creators I
tell ya
1:34:25
I create media they'll be think
they
1:34:28
call them creatives creatives
I'd also
1:34:31
didn't like that one when I had
the the
1:34:33
agency I despise that - I think
1:34:35
creatives despise it and called
1:34:38
creatives yeah I think it puts
you in a
1:34:41
box yeah I don't know what to
go back to
1:34:44
artists good word habit artist
is well
1:34:48
established
1:34:49
anyway the I just wanted to
mention for
1:34:53
for people who are being deep
lat formed
1:34:55
there is a very thriving
ecosystem if
1:34:59
you're interested in this ball
based
1:35:01
around activity pub and doesn't
you
1:35:04
don't really need to know what
that is
1:35:05
but it's that it's kind of a
simple
1:35:07
technology that allows the one
thing RSS
1:35:10
could never do which is the
1:35:11
publish/subscribe model through
anything
1:35:15
but one huge you know
centralized place
1:35:18
and this is what is loosely
called the
1:35:20
feta verse so if you want a
Twitter like
1:35:23
thing there's a mastodon if you
want
1:35:25
Instagram this pixel fed if you
are
1:35:27
YouTube there's peer tube and
bitch
1:35:29
you'd which work quite well
actually but
1:35:31
none of these not a single one
will get
1:35:35
you the same type of activity
you have
1:35:37
on the the big social networks
such as
1:35:41
Twitter Facebook
1:35:42
Instagram etc and that's mainly
because
1:35:44
there is no m5m feedback loop
so they're
1:35:48
not talking about it and
feeding back
1:35:49
into it and there's no
algorithms so
1:35:52
it's not like the drugs that
you get
1:35:54
when you go into twitter it's
fantastic
1:35:57
if you want to just have a
social
1:35:59
network and interact but it
will never
1:36:01
ever be anything like again
it's just
1:36:03
pure drugs that you get from
from the
1:36:07
algal Algar lized social
networks goggle
1:36:11
eyes right I do have one story
in this
1:36:14
regard oh good one of the guys
that got
1:36:16
deep platform ins became a big
deal yeah
1:36:19
and everyone who even mentions
his name
1:36:21
gets deep platformed including a
1:36:24
pewdiepie bitched about this I
think
1:36:27
he's still on YouTube but he's
not
1:36:29
deeply informed I think he got
kicked
1:36:32
off a patreon oh okay there
he's not the
1:36:34
platform from YouTube they'd be
crazy if
1:36:36
you crazy to do that
1:36:38
no they're not doing that but
he's what
1:36:40
you lost his you know income
streams and
1:36:42
so this sargon of akkad
1:36:44
yeah this is this is the thing
that that
1:36:47
started off the patreon deep
platforming
1:36:50
and apparently huge fans Dave
Rubin and
1:36:55
a bunch of heat erson are big
fans and
1:36:59
then because of this the
platforming of
1:37:01
this guy the British guy I
think yes his
1:37:04
name is Karl Benjamin and he
has this
1:37:08
you know right wing he's a real
brexit
1:37:10
guy and he apparently said
something not
1:37:14
on his pep podcast someplace
else
1:37:17
somewhere along the lines they
accuse
1:37:19
him was saying something years
ago about
1:37:20
something just the n-word I
need to make
1:37:23
a distinction about something
here
1:37:25
because I followed this and I'm
it it's
1:37:27
interesting you bring it to the
show cuz
1:37:29
I finally kind of uninteresting
mainly
1:37:32
cuz I like the way you always
do that
1:37:33
well I mean that I mean dinner
but it's
1:37:36
good you're bringing it up now
because
1:37:38
the story's been around for two
to three
1:37:39
weeks first of all the show the
him the
1:37:44
guy himself I just don't find
1:37:46
interesting it's like okay fine
whatever
1:37:48
he's a British guy what do you
expect
1:37:50
what you don't like the bless
it's not
1:37:52
true what what he did you know
calling
1:37:57
someone a white nigger and I was
1:37:58
supposed to be to show that
basically
1:38:01
the the joy read defense of you
know I
1:38:04
said faggot because he says
faggot then
1:38:06
you know how it feels faggot
but this
1:38:09
wasn't even anything about what
but hold
1:38:11
on that's not the point okay
what's the
1:38:13
point
1:38:14
what don't interrupt me I'll
get to it
1:38:15
eventually Oh like the Zephyr
1:38:18
no patreon is not a platform I
don't get
1:38:22
it maybe a payment platforms oh
well no
1:38:25
no payment platform yes but is
the word
1:38:28
but when I just want to make
sure we
1:38:30
make a distinction YouTube is a
hosting
1:38:32
platform that Twitter is a
hosting
1:38:34
platform Facebook as a hosting
platform
1:38:37
the only thing patreon is is a
financial
1:38:40
exchange but now for some
reason they
1:38:44
talk about their creators like
they own
1:38:47
them there's nothing hosted on
their
1:38:50
system
1:38:51
and they they're just a bunch of
1:38:54
dipshits who take 15% with a
very simple
1:38:57
web application to charge your
credit
1:38:59
card its MasterCard that's the
problem
1:39:02
where I think that's hoodoo
who's doing
1:39:04
there they're processing that
is the
1:39:06
payment platform patreon just a
bunch of
1:39:08
leeches really just
opportunistic
1:39:10
leeches and I don't I'm failing
us every
1:39:15
single time they fall in for
for for for
1:39:19
going along with what is called
a
1:39:21
platform and all of a sudden
you're
1:39:22
there you're their property
they were
1:39:23
talking about people this way
from the
1:39:25
get-go our creators our
platform it's
1:39:28
supposed to do do you consider
PayPal to
1:39:30
be a platform that we're on no
not
1:39:35
really as PayPal call us one of
their
1:39:37
creators no even mention us as
a matter
1:39:40
of fact they should they should
do some
1:39:42
ads for us so you know I'm a
little sick
1:39:46
of this this is like people got
to open
1:39:49
their eyes let's back up a
little bit
1:39:51
you seem to be outraged to an
extreme
1:39:53
first of all except for the two
of us
1:39:58
90% of the podcasts out there
we don't
1:40:00
go to these conventions and all
these
1:40:02
things I mean you've been to a
couple
1:40:03
I've never been to one of them
but we
1:40:06
have people that go there Jen
Brian is a
1:40:08
huge fan of these things and at
these
1:40:10
conventions podcasting
conventions and
1:40:13
whatever there are conferences
they push
1:40:18
this stuff well here's how you
make
1:40:20
money as a podcaster you get on
patreon
1:40:23
and they it's promoted as a as
a way to
1:40:26
make money as a podcast and all
kinds of
1:40:28
people have bought into it and
they only
1:40:30
use patreon many of them are
completely
1:40:32
on patreon only they don't even
think
1:40:36
about the other stuff that we
do and
1:40:38
that other people try to do
which is
1:40:41
what do we need patreon people
have told
1:40:43
us oh you guys should be on
patreon
1:40:45
I've always been worked by this
because
1:40:47
why should we be em what are
they doing
1:40:49
that we can't do ourselves
1:40:50
well there's they got this
website and
1:40:52
if that is what they're talking
about
1:40:54
when they talk about the
platform the
1:40:55
platform is there their website
that you
1:40:58
have and you're mentioned on so
it's
1:41:00
kind of a platform it's you
know I would
1:41:04
I I don't have the objection
you have I
1:41:07
guess I guess it's apples to
oranges
1:41:09
where hit the defense of this
this
1:41:12
brexit brit sargon of akkad is
what i
1:41:17
was doing wasn't on their
platform the
1:41:19
the only analogy that would be
right is
1:41:23
if you were on someone else's
money
1:41:25
platform
1:41:26
he doesn't create content this
is minor
1:41:29
to me I think there's that the
other
1:41:32
issue is the more interesting
one in the
1:41:34
one you should be happy about
but before
1:41:36
I bring that up let's at least
listen to
1:41:39
a guy giving us a rundown of
sargon of
1:41:41
akkad and the story so we have
we know
1:41:43
what we're talking so people
know what
1:41:45
the hell were arguing about
sargon of
1:41:46
akkad if you don't know is he's
got a
1:41:49
youtube channel just under a
million
1:41:50
subscribers he is a political
1:41:54
commentator and this has
nothing to do
1:41:56
with with whether you agree
with him or
1:41:59
not that's not the point the
point is is
1:42:01
that he was making his living
supporting
1:42:05
his family supporting his
children
1:42:07
putting up really good content
some of
1:42:09
the best content on the web and
he was
1:42:12
being supported using patreon
to do this
1:42:16
is this Dave Rubin done with
this some
1:42:19
guy can't remember his name but
he's
1:42:20
just a bread video podcast he's
very
1:42:24
good as to make this happen so
out of
1:42:26
the blue patreon pulled his
account
1:42:30
terminated his account without
any
1:42:32
explanation whatsoever so I dug
into
1:42:35
this and to find tried to find
out
1:42:36
what's going on because there's
a big
1:42:38
brouhaha over this and what I
found out
1:42:41
was 10 months ago sargon of
akkad or
1:42:45
carl said something on a
website podcast
1:42:50
or something like that that
they've
1:42:53
deemed to be offensive and
therefore
1:42:55
even though it was not on the
patreon
1:42:57
site yanked his account right
before
1:43:00
Christmas no explanation he
didn't
1:43:02
violate the Terms of Service
1:43:04
they just deemed that I think
they just
1:43:06
didn't like him we don't like
him we
1:43:08
don't like you we don't like
your
1:43:09
politics therefore we're going
to make
1:43:10
you disappear
1:43:13
okay I realize go ahead I died
I've done
1:43:17
some self-reflection awake good
please
1:43:19
I'll wait for you now I do have
a long
1:43:22
story that Carl himself tells
where he
1:43:24
went to a conference and one of
the
1:43:27
women at the top on the Dyess
called him
1:43:31
out as a douchebag in human
garbage
1:43:33
because who's sitting in the
audience
1:43:35
cuz he she's a feminist and I
guess he
1:43:37
writes negative things about
feminists
1:43:39
game reviewers and so she got
bent out
1:43:42
of shape he protested to the
conference
1:43:45
runners they ended up
apologizing to her
1:43:49
not paying any attention to his
1:43:51
complaint because you're not
supposed to
1:43:53
do that in other words you're
not
1:43:55
supposed to be at on the dice
calling
1:43:56
out members of the audience and
then
1:43:58
they got the attention she made
a wrote
1:44:00
a bunch of articles got the
attention of
1:44:02
paper of a patreon demanding
he'd be
1:44:06
pulled and she got shit throws
a lot of
1:44:08
weight around next thing you
know this
1:44:09
guy's lost all his income now
the the
1:44:13
thing that that stems from
there's we
1:44:15
can play a little bit of this
it's too
1:44:17
long to play the whole thing
but play a
1:44:18
little bit so you can listen to
this guy
1:44:20
so you know what his voice is
now you
1:44:21
know what he's like and why you
probably
1:44:23
don't like him cuz he's a
little bit of
1:44:24
a twit
1:44:25
in June 2017 along with many
other
1:44:27
YouTube creators travel to
Lausanne
1:44:29
that was the end of that clip
for me
1:44:31
craters I'm YouTube creator
Li's to
1:44:33
attend that year's VidCon event
VidCon
1:44:35
bills itself as a community
festival
1:44:37
creator conference and industry
summits
1:44:40
all wrapped up into one we'd
gone there
1:44:43
to have a good time and meet
one another
1:44:44
add VidCon there were public
panels most
1:44:47
of which had not been announced
when we
1:44:48
purchased our tickets and we
attended
1:44:51
one with a polite woman call
anita
1:44:52
sarkeesian a feminist video
game critic
1:44:55
she noticed me and this happened
1:45:04
I had been sitting politely in
the front
1:45:14
row and as you can imagine
abusing the
1:45:17
audience from the stage is a
violation
1:45:19
of vidcon's rules so I filed a
complaint
1:45:21
vidcon okay
1:45:24
unless it's important to play
the rest I
1:45:27
just want to get to my
self-reflection
1:45:29
because let me finish the story
then
1:45:31
with the whole thing would
happen and
1:45:33
this was what we played the
last show we
1:45:35
played Reuben and Peterson who
are both
1:45:38
kind of you know it's the
problem the
1:45:41
real problem stems from the
existence of
1:45:43
patreon and the fact that this
doesn't
1:45:46
need to exist people can do all
the
1:45:48
stuff the patron does
themselves and
1:45:50
their platform or whatever it
is list of
1:45:53
shows that you can subscribe to
it's not
1:45:56
very is not necessarily that
convenient
1:45:58
to the anybody but okay what
happened
1:46:02
was now there's this huge
boycott of
1:46:05
patreon itself by everybody who
sends
1:46:08
them money for anybody and that
hurts at
1:46:10
all creators all the creators
and now
1:46:14
they're getting all bent out of
shape
1:46:16
and they're calling in and
bitching and
1:46:17
moaning and they're talking to
1:46:19
apparently the patreon the they
show how
1:46:23
you got some no no no your face
no it's
1:46:25
the it's the it's the boss of
the video
1:46:28
of the platform protection team
and Ice
1:46:32
Warrior I read the whole
transcript yeah
1:46:36
transcript is funny and it's
resulting
1:46:39
in a lot of people that were
making I
1:46:41
don't know let's say they've
made
1:46:44
$10,000 a month now they're
making six
1:46:48
or five there may they just
getting
1:46:50
getting killed and that's
because of the
1:46:53
reliance on one thing is it's a
real I
1:46:56
think it's a I think was just a
mistake
1:46:59
in judgment to use these guys
in the
1:47:00
first place but okay but this
is all
1:47:04
because of these conferences
that tell
1:47:06
you to do this and these
conferences
1:47:08
that tell you to do that and
they're
1:47:10
just the blind leading the
blind believe
1:47:12
me well I think you're right
that the
1:47:15
the conferences are incredibly
on
1:47:18
helpful and they steer people
in very
1:47:20
traditional ways there's no no
1:47:22
innovation and after
self-reflection I
1:47:25
understand what my issue is I
think I
1:47:28
really had some hope coming
from a quite
1:47:33
a career in mainstream
broadcasting
1:47:35
radio and television when when
1:47:37
podcasting kind of organically
grew them
1:47:40
the the biggest downside is
that it
1:47:42
exploded because of the iPod I
always
1:47:45
found that to be a detractor
and and and
1:47:48
I'd never named it podcasting
Danny
1:47:50
Gregoire as far as I'm
concerned named
1:47:52
at that I think is fantastic it
really
1:47:54
helped a lot but it always tied
it to
1:47:57
the iPod and now we've moved
beyond that
1:48:00
but I had hoped that that
people would
1:48:04
see decentralizing as a way
forward for
1:48:08
the Internet and we've we've in
14 15
1:48:11
years we're right back to in I
think
1:48:13
ground zero
1:48:14
because people are relying now
on all of
1:48:16
these corporate commercial
places for
1:48:19
platforms where you don't need
this now
1:48:22
do you get the algorithmic
amplification
1:48:26
that can explode you virally no
but for
1:48:30
most people you don't even
deserve to to
1:48:33
have an actual audience of any
size or
1:48:36
make any money because you
probably just
1:48:38
make shit I would prefer to see
people
1:48:41
using decentralized systems
building up
1:48:45
core audiences who we've proven
it will
1:48:47
support you to the to the
degree that is
1:48:49
necessary and valid and move
forward
1:48:52
that we got a lot of brain
power smart
1:48:54
people like Rubin and the
Peters and
1:48:56
these are smart guys they're
arguing the
1:48:59
fact that they don't see how
idiotic it
1:49:02
is what they're arguing about
and how
1:49:04
futile it is and how they will
never win
1:49:06
over this instead of promoting
open
1:49:08
source decentralized systems
that are in
1:49:10
play even bit backer you know
you can do
1:49:13
payment systems with crypto and
and
1:49:15
makes it simpler for people I
didn't
1:49:17
think that's my frustration
it's just
1:49:18
why are all these smart people
but I get
1:49:24
to work
1:49:26
I think that's my problem I can
see that
1:49:29
that is your problem you have a
problem
1:49:31
and that's it yeah but this is
not a new
1:49:33
problem with you no but it's
also it
1:49:36
does it just because you have
this
1:49:38
problem doesn't mean that these
issues
1:49:40
aren't real for these people
who have
1:49:42
been I would say it's like the
when they
1:49:45
had the housing mortgage crisis
and then
1:49:47
that one guy on CNBC says all
these
1:49:49
idiots that took out all these
mortgages
1:49:51
screw up screw up deserve to go
go broke
1:49:55
these people that took out these
1:49:56
mortgages during the housing
crisis were
1:49:59
advised to take out these
housing these
1:50:02
mortgages yes by experts
1:50:05
that's podcast conferences they
were
1:50:08
advised by experts to do this
all don't
1:50:10
worry about it you know the
price is
1:50:12
gonna go up you're gonna be
able to
1:50:13
paper they were advised and and
then did
1:50:15
because they were I wouldn't
say they
1:50:17
were stupid cuz you get advised
to do
1:50:20
stuff you don't know anything
about it
1:50:21
yeah you should maybe have to
change
1:50:22
your tires
1:50:23
yeah it looks like then you
need new
1:50:25
tires well okay there's a lot
of advice
1:50:28
out there and because it's bad
advice
1:50:31
you're bent out of shape
1:50:33
no no I'm I I'm not I'm just
frustrated
1:50:38
by over a decade of people
doing the
1:50:41
same stupid things and always
being
1:50:43
surprised when it doesn't work
out or it
1:50:45
works out in a way that is not
expected
1:50:47
to them I yeah as smart people
1:50:51
it's the it's the mind's eye I
was taken
1:50:55
aback when I saw Peterson and
Rubin
1:50:57
doing that video Deb moaning and
1:51:00
groaning about patreon yeah I
think
1:51:02
that's what pushed me over the
edge I'm
1:51:03
like holy crap what are you
what are you
1:51:05
bitching about move on you know
build up
1:51:08
a simultaneity on start
mirroring it
1:51:13
somewhere else where it's just
a lot
1:51:14
harder to be kicked off and
build up the
1:51:17
audience and guess what you
might
1:51:18
actually help a lot of creators
in in
1:51:21
the process
1:51:25
well there you go there's your
idealist
1:51:28
Lee gentle that is it this one
person
1:51:33
who was de platformed which did
show up
1:51:35
in the New York in the New York
Times
1:51:37
but was not discussed in the
way I would
1:51:40
have thought it was this came
out of
1:51:43
what yeah yes sir 23rd yeah
yesterday
1:51:46
Facebook has suspended Jonathan
Morgan
1:51:48
the chief executive of a top
social