July 21st, 2019 • 2h 55m
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you can step over the body Adam
Curry
this is no agenda
I'm Adam curry from Northern
California
where we're waiting the female
for and
hoping for the male afro I'm
John C
Dvorak this is rather
interesting as I
checked into the shot room of
trolls
today and all I can see is them
talking
about some character and it's
gonna be a
woman and they said what's
going on and
was pissed off what is happening
apparently Natalie Portman is
going to
be the female for everyone's
all upset
about this well it's fun as
stupid as
anything I've ever heard of but
okay
let's just make a female Hulk
then
you're talking and actually
that'd be
more believable yeah and isn't
there
like a bat woman or something
else just
everyone there's a lot of bat
women I'm
just surprised like of all the
things to
care about in the world this is
not high
on the list no but I've seen
this go on
for at least a while I got
bumped off of
course because my Wi-Fi problem
but it's
just been ongoing garbage
garbage movies
yeah they're fun to watch on the
airplane well I don't know
about that I
think nothing whole airplane
viewing my
experience nothing holds a
candle to the
Fast and Furious series and
there's
always eight of them to watch
so it's
great
oh how did I catch I think I
was on a
plane once sitting next to
somebody and
I was trying to watch some you
know semi
good movie and the person next
to me was
watching fast and furious five
or
someone of the movement and I
couldn't
keep my eyes off their screen
exactly so
I had to put it on well this
brings me
to some unscientific research
I've been
doing about the use of closed
captioning
amongst Millennials and a
Generation Z
yes we got some notes about
this I got a
number of notes I did some
informal
polls over at No Agenda social
calm I
you know been hunting around
people
giving me unsolicited feedback
which is
always nice and really it comes
down to
three people are blaming it or
attributing it to three
different things
and I have three emails that
I've just
picked out here this is JV I
watch
everything with the carbon cap
at carbon
caption there you go Carbon
captions
that's perfect I use watch
everything
with closed caption / subtitles
mostly
due to decades of frustrating
sound
mixing movies and modern shows
are mixed
with wide dynamic range room
shaking
explosions and gunshots are
immediately
followed by characters
whispering
important plot details Game of
Thrones
does this but it's nothing new
also like
many Millennials I grew up with
a big
family stuffed in a small home
and I've
lived with roommates ever since
any time
there would be a siren or
scream or
anything else unpleasant my mom
would
burst through the door and tell
me that
baby was trying to sleep
well these are these are these
are two
two together one and that I got
a lot of
people saying hey you know
they're
mixing it wrong the problem is
trying to
jam Dolby 5.1 through stereo
speakers
and therefore the balance is off
there maybe I think there's some
validity to that part oh I
agree I think
there's plenty of validity to
that
that's one of the reasons you
have to
take things into your own hands
and
you've got to either pull back
on some
of these processing systems
like Dolby I
go to straight stereo there's
ways
around it I mean you're just
running
amok we're just letting
whatever happens
happens it threw a couple of
squeaky
speakers on the TV yeah you're
asking
for trouble
I agree with that 100% yes it
seems that
there there's a real issue
there and I
don't I've really never
interests been
ain't very interested in
surround sound
and and when it comes to
television
never really set one I think
I've had
one in the past because I yeah
so I just
don't care for me it's just I
turn it up
and then I can hear everything
there's
nothing out now we get into some
interesting areas accents this
is from
Jay every single time I watch
TV with
people under 30 they have the
closed
caption on I don't understand
it either
I get it when it's something
British and
they can't understand access
but it's
always on
I dated a gal who was 28 and I
tried
watching Emily with her with
captions on
because it's in France and she
fell
asleep instantly it was weird
because
growing up we could focus on
the film
and follow along with the
translation
but for her it was like catnip
every
single other thing she wanted
to have
the captions on for it was
infuriating
luckily that relationship
failed pretty
fast okay
there's one other thing there
is a new
disorder that has not been
codified yet
in the dsm-5 or you know but it
is a
real thing and it's only the
the true
cause is not known although I
have some
thoughts and that's auditory
processing
disorder and this is closely
related to
ADHD and AD D both attention
deficit
disorders and what happens is
you can
hear perfectly well but you are
unable
to process your brain is either
unable
or slow at processing what the
sounds
are and turning them into words
now and I want to say a front
that I
grew up with subtitles
Dutch television had English
movies
they'd play the English
soundtrack and
they would translate and deathy
was very
professionally done they had
hundreds of
people working at the state-run
subtitling organization and I
learned to
deal with them perfectly well
to ignore
them while I'm while I'm while
I was
watching television I think it
also
helped a lot of people learn
English
extremely well versus Germany
where they
always did an overdub but the
auditory
processing disorder I think is
something
that comes from people who
already have
a potential deficit disorder
cuz a lot
of feedback that I received
said well I
really can't focus on the movie
or the
whatever is on the television
the whole
time and I look at my phone I'm
you know
this the people are distracted
this is
something we know the young
people often
wake up in the middle of the
night just
to check their phone so there's
a
distract and also second-screen
I guess
to a degree it's like oh let me
look up
that actor or what's he doing
you know
what's so what's going on is
someone
tweeting about this particular
show that
I'm watching and because of
that many
people have said well they're
really
helpful because I can just you
know I
can catch up real quick and say
look at
my phone oh I just I like and I
could I
can follow along despite
darting back
and forth and reading the
subtitles and
I pause it to you as my
research my
alert my posit to you as I as my
research will continue in this
regard is
that because of the lazy use of
subtitles whether it's to hear
things
that were drowned out by sound
effects
and music whether it's to
instead of
really focus on what's
happening with an
accent and try and you drink
and parse
things from all the information
always
in this situation he's there he
might
have said something like this
was it something I didn't
understand
that people's brains have
become lazy
and just like you have someone
who may
be blind there
auditory skills increased
astronomically
of vice versa
people who are deaf can often
see things
much clearer or at least they
process
the information in a different
way so
the posit I have is because of
the you
know some of the reasons that
people
have resorted to closed
captioning and
there abundant availability now
due to
the American with Disabilities
Act etc
that the brain is starting to
lose some
of that auditory processing
power
because I have asked people ok
turn them
off and Heidi do it's like I
really
can't handle it anymore I need
the
closed captions I can't follow
along and
I it sounds to me like what a
deadly
said she said it sounded like
what's the
little Woodstock from Charlie
Brown
can't really process the audio
so I
would say we have possibly
auditory
processing disorder being
created by use
of closed captioning which we
will
counter that okay most of these
kids and
I would question any one of
them that
have this problem which
especially with
the Woodstock the phenomenon do
they
ever go to music concerts yep
the music
constants are over amped
they're way
above the legal limits of X
number of
decibels I think one hundreds
the max
and these things get 140 150
many of
them come home with ringing
ears they're
all making themselves deaf at
these
concerts very rarely do any of
them have
the wherewithal to wear ear
protection
they don't know that in for
example in
California all the bars in
California
that have bands in the bars
they have
required to have ear protection
behind
the counter that you can ask
for and you
get it for free nobody wears
the stuff
and they just listen to this
music at
these outrageous decibel levels
which
started in the 60s with with the
Marshall amp and bands like
Blue Cheer
and others and now they're all
deaf and
that's why they can't hear
anything I
don't blame them before
bringing up the
captions because they're all
going to be
wearing your hearing aids desta
your
investment of the 21st century
hearing aids well I'll add to
that
because I'm not opposed to this
theory I
would add to that the incessant
overuse
of air pods which are hanging
their ears
all day long now I don't know
if that
can cause damage necessarily
but for
sure an unsound injection but
it also
changes your auditory
processing because
once it's further away you're
not used
to that anymore people listen to
podcasts thank God
listening to podcasts they turn
on the
the microphone functions so
they can
hear whatever's going when they
just to
keep the earbuds in I'm taking
a phone
call they're in continuously
all day
long and they're intended that
way I
think once you then remove that
from the
direct in ear canal it may that
it may
be still I'm gonna come down
into a
processing issue I don't know
if it's
actual hearing damage could be
maybe
it's a combination but we need
to
research further so I will keep
my lab
coat on yes please
GUP I think it's a lot of
hearing damage
going on I wish to I saw
somebody the
other day somebody roaming
around went
the store with the ear buds
there's
those hanging things as little
Apple
ones the little white ones
that's the
ones the airport is there and
they
looked like they were as
zombies goo yes
goo but we're changing the
subject or
going to goo keyword goo so
I've got
this little battery that I
found and I'm
charging it but I realized it's
one of
these one of these devices and
I have a
bunch of these things there
Ryan does
and I'm not the only one oh
'test this
because this stuff has been
around this
goo has been around for at
least almost
20 years and I'm talking about
the soft
spray that they put over
devices it's
like a slightly rubbery
compound that
they spray on top of cool
associate ice
nice cool feels like a gives
you instead
of a hard plastic you get this
kind of
rubbery soft little coating
that they
put on what would I find this
on I'm not
sure I know it's a lot of stuff
you find
again you'll find it when it's
over ten
years old it turns to goo
and he got this sticky goo all
over he
and you can't get it off you
have to
take some solvent and maybe
maybe it'll
come off you can kind of scrape
it off
with your thumbnail his Ben and
I had
like a Sony a DAT player that
was coated
in this old felt so professional
although it's the professional
coating
it's a professional coating and
then now
it's like sticky you can
actually know
if you grab it it's like it
sticks the
finest mainly on electronic
devices is
that we find a lot of this this
claim a
lot of electronic devices you
find on
this battery pack that I have
it was a
high end battery pack John is
be honest
is there a problem with your
real doll
that you want to tell us about
no it's
not even the same type of
substance this
is some reliably informed well
I'm
pretty sure this is always
black is
always black I've never seen
this in any
of the color dark you know just
perfectly pitch black and it's
then it
was used and used and used cuz
it was so
cool hmm I surprised you
haven't run
into this I have I think but
it's been a
while I mean I don't really
have any
stuff that's I don't know well
they
stopped I think they backed off
on it
but I that's why I haven't
noticed this
for a while - I found this
battery which
had this stuff all over in this
batteries just sticky and gooey
and it's
got this this stupid coating on
it that
somebody decided was a good idea
doesn't seem like you to not at
least
know the name of the coating
that's
something that you would that's
a good
point I think you got me there
I should know the name of this
stupid
coating but I'm telling you it
was a
dumb idea to begin with and
apparently
it's not worked out and this is
the
classy example for all you know
it's
carcinogenic they just do the
door look
what we got this is a great idea
I reminded uh how about like
hand grips
on a bike would that be the
same type of
stuff yes stuff the way that we
approach
is the whole substance is
softer rubber
okay
no it's a coating on hard
plastic if the
hand grips on a bike or a hard
plastic
yeah maybe but know that you
can't get
him on there if they were but
I'm
remanded I'm reminded of us I
was at
some event and you remember
this when
they were they took all this
paper off
the market it was all the stuff
that was
used it was it was heat
sensitive it was
used for cash registers and the
purple
paper that would that the
people were
touching and getting sick from
well they
weren't getting sick from but
it was
carcinogenic that bisphenol or
some damn
thing on it well I ran into the
guy that
made a mint selling this the
paper that
was sold to substitute for it
oh and he
told me it kind of offed off to
record
which apparently it's not off
the record
anymore not anymore he says you
know I
know that her stuff was bad but
they
never ever tested this stuff
but they
say just anything to substitute
he says
for all we know this could be
ten times
worse
instead of saying off the
record just to
say because that sound then
sound you
sound like a journalist who's
cheating
oh I I'm I've never been a
cheater okay
no I think it's there's a time
limit off
the record oh okay under
umberto I must
say that it was he was
skeptical about
his own product because and as
I'm
skeptical about this goo all
right well
I'd love to know more about
what it is
and how we can avoid it
well I can't avoid it they've
used it
and used it and use it for
years and now
it's all over the place and
it's just
and if you if it's left in the
hot Sun
after goooo Feist this gets
really bad
as sticks it'll stick to
whatever it's
touching you have a piece of
paper stuck
to it oh it's unbelievable is
that
people out there know what I'm
talking
about yes
well we'd want to go for me you
know I
have a little presentation I'd
like to
do some some general news first
okay you have a story that
you've been
following up on is that what
we're
talking about yeah yeah yeah
yeah I'm
interested in listening to this
you want
to do this now cuz I figure we
do a
couple you know top news items
first and
then like what what's the top
yes I
don't know what do you got I
don't have
a clip for it bag just was
reading this
morning about this situation in
Canada
with the pipe liners going from
Alberta
to BC and back and there's a big
squabble about it which I
thought was
kind of interesting no clip
though huh I
haven't no I don't have about
the
Cummings in Cortes show that was
highlighted on Democracy Now
okay I
don't really know what it is
let's let's
talk about it and there is the
come I
got a clip the Cummings in
Cortes Show
okay there's testifying in
front of
Congress is starts with duh the
GAO is
testifying in front of Congress
is that
the guy who's the homeland
security or
this guy and he's trying to do
a good
job and they're just killing
him yeah
back on Capitol Hill House
Democrats
grilled president Trump's acting
Homeland Security Secretary
Thursday
over migrant family separations
the
deaths of children taken into
US custody
and reports of squalid
overcrowded in
dangerous conditions in u.s.
immigration
jails
this is House Oversight
Committee Chair
Elijah Cummings questioning the
acting
DHS chief Kevin McHale inan
we're doing
our level best in a very G what
does
that mean what does that mean
when a
child come on man
what's that about
none of us also at Thursday's
house
oversight here in Congress
member
Alexandria Castillo Cortez
confronted
Kevin Mack Elena and over
hateful
messages shared by thousands of
current
and former Border Patrol agents
on a
private Facebook group the
group's
online discussions exposed by
ProPublica
earlier this month are full of
homophobic anti-immigrant and
misogynistic content about
migrants and
asylum seekers as well as
racist attacks
on Texas Congress member
Veronica
Escobar and on Acacio Cortez
who's
depicted in a photoshopped
image being
sexually assaulted by President
Trump
this is Congress member Acacio
Cortez
questioning Mack Elena
did you see the posts mocking
migrant
children's deaths I did did you
see the
post planning physical harm to
myself
and congresswoman Escobar yes
and I
directed an investigation
within minutes
of reading the article did you
see the
images of officers circulating
photoshopped images of my
violent rape
yes I did are those officers on
the job
today
and responsible for the safety
of
migrant women and children so
there's an
aggressive investigation on
this issue
proceeding you've heard the
chief of the
ball roll the most senior female
official and law enforcement
across the
entire country say that these
posts do
not meet our standards of
conduct and
they will be followed up
aggressively is
this still about the secret
group that
they were posting on yeah she
brought
back up cuz it's about her
that's why
she brought it back it's about
her it's
about her that's what it's got
to be
about me yeah I love Elijah
Cummings
who's just yelling and
screaming come on
man that human beings was let's
not give
a shit about the human beings
dying on
the streets of Los Angeles San
Francisco
Boston
Seattle all right if she'll let
me
follow this up first let's go
to some
questioning about about
immigration and
there's no one better than
campus reform
to go out and talk to this
country's our
country's brightest future the
new kids
who are just ready to graduate
and
they're thinking about these
things and
here's a test
let's go read them something
Obama said
and let's tell them that Trump
said it
and then see what their
reaction is and
then let's spring the truth on
them
you've seen the gag before it's
hilarious these could be
pre-selected I
mean select they are selected
could be
selected only to show idiots
but still
the sampling is astounding so
have a
quote for you here that's been
making
the rounds on social media
about the
deportation of criminal illegal
aliens
we are a nation of laws
undocumented
workers broke our laws I
believe they
must be held accountable
especially
those who may be dangerous
that's why
over the past six years
deportations of
criminals are up 80 percent and
we're
going to keep focusing on
threats to our
security what's your thought on
that
quote in that policy in general
I think that policy comes from
a place
of like white American
nationalism
Donald Trump has kind of like
embraced
this rhetoric of like racism and
xenophobia that is not
beneficial to our
country at all I don't think
that that
quote really stands true this
administration has totally not
done
anything immoral this is really
awful
amnesty does not necessarily
mean that
we're losing border security I
think
that Trump feels that way I
think that's
a bad decision
because like the United States
should be
open to like immigrants like
it's like
they call it lands with the
free for a
reason we'd have to advocate
for those
kind of people with people like
in
Congress like Ocasio Cortes who
is
helping people overcome these
kinds of
things crimes do not nullify
your
humanity and people are coming
here in
search of opportunity I'll show
you the
person who said that quote is
that
surprising yeah a little bit
why is that
surprising because I thought it
was the
Trump administration or
something like
that yeah it's quite surprising
why did
you not expect you to be Obama
um
because I just I guess I dunno
like it
just never it never occurred to
me that
it could be Obama is that
surprising
that it's a quote from
President Obama I
was surprising for sure yeah do
you
think it's still a practice of
white
nationalism though to deport
criminal
illegal aliens
I think the way Trump's doing
it is what
but to this point in Trump's
presidency
Obama actually deported more
people
though so it's in practice
there was
more from Obama though what's
your
question I say my understanding
of Obama
versus Trump is that just that
Obama was
more liberal as far as amnesty
and
border security
I expected that quote to come
from Trump
does that change your opinion
of the
practice to know that President
Obama
did the same thing actually to
this
points presidency deported more
people
than President Trump at at this
point no
again I just think that there's
a moral
way to do it and
I don't know a ton about Obama's
deportation policies but I
imagine that
they were a lot more humane
than the
ones currently going on there
you go
there you go everybody that's
your mind
control at work the programming
is
successful KITT can't even when
they
hear was Obama he was more boy
he must
have done it a more moral way
than drum
kabob yes education system now
what's
interesting with all this
undocumented
illegal immigration going on is
that
when I look around in Austin
Texas the
people who I see who are unholy
peeing
on the street and panhandling I
don't
know if they're actually
homeless
they're panhandling for sure
are mostly
white and they seem to be on
drugs we've
been following and this is
going to lead
right back to the illegal
immigrants
only in California so bear with
me for a
second in Austin we changed the
Community Guidelines the the
local rules
where you can now sit and lie
whatever
you want you can camp wherever
you want
as long as it's not in front of
City
Hall you can do it on you know
Congress
if you want no problem in front
of
businesses but not in front of
City Hall
everywhere else you can camp
you can lie down you can
Panhandle and
from the school's bus stops
anywhere you
want and the reason for this is
that it
was unfair and not taking into
consideration the challenges of
life of
the unhoused and now we are a
couple
weeks into the policy
let's check in this is a report
from
Lucca station KXAN complaints
side to
Austin's homeless population
are growing
two and a half weeks after new
city
rules were approved to
decriminalize
homelessness some business
owners say
they're seeing even more
problems with
the buzz of his blades Oscar
Rivera can
clean up any mess but he'll say
his
customers hair line isn't the
area that
needs the most help sometimes
you'll see
people land right here right on
the
ground in
and when you wake when you come
early in
the morning you have to tell
them to get
away please shop
gallery 44 right off at 290 and
man
check isn't the only business
effect
it's nothing against those
people but
when you're trying to build an
establishment it's hard to go
further in
and grow just down the street
straight music has its own
problems VP
Clint Strait has added locks to
the
bathrooms and dumpsters and
told me he
regularly finds needles in the
parking
lot community leaders say this
is an
issue of accountability and the
people
of Austin need to be willing to
give out
more resources if they want to
see
change it's hard to hold
homeless people
accountable for not wearing
away their
trash when they don't have
receptacles
to put them in it's it's tough
to hold
people accountable when they're
allowed
to camp for using the bathroom
in public
places when they don't have a
place to
use the bathroom the bottom
line this is
a complex issue which requires
thoughtful solutions and it's
up to
stakeholders just like those
businesses
near the homeless camps to
provide their
input one of the things that we
can all
do is work together to come to
some sort
of comprehensive solution next
month
austin city manager spencer
Cronk will
make recommendations on how to
better
tweak the new rules it's
expected to
include reasonable limitations
on
camping and potential changes
to the
city NY ordinance we wanted to
get a
sense of how big of a problem
this is
for people in Austin here's a
look at
the numbers from 3 1 1 calls
for service
requests with the keyword
homeless or
transient show more than 2,700
calls so
far this year that's almost
more than
all of the calls from last year
but it's
also important to note that the
rate of
homeless people is increasing
in Austin
on the right you'll see the
point and
time count from Ecco while the
number of
people living on the streets or
in
shelters has increased that
rate has
been much more gradual compared
to the
number of complaints and I
would say
extrapolating from that it's
because the
rules change so now there's more
problems
small business owners both of
those guys
were
Latino now be damned who gives
a shit
way to go Austin fantastic
now dr. Drew Pinsky has been on
a tear
about what's happening in Los
Angeles
he's talking on his radio show
he's been
I think he went on Fox and CNN
I know if
he's been on MSNBC but in two
short
clips he explained not only
what the
real problem is but also what
the
solution is and we've talked
about some
of the historical reasons for
this and I
just wanted to share those he
was on
with scott adams
which is a rare thing I think
for scott
adams to have someone call in
on his
periscope and technically it's
just a
huge nightmare i guess it
proves the
content good doesn't really
matter that
much I think we've been pretty
clear in
the past that what we see is
this is a
drug problem that's why I like
saying
unhoused I don't know if
someone's
homeless but they're not housed
when
they're sleeping on the ground
in Los
Angeles has a huge problem with
this and
dr. drew who at the office used
to but
he ran a drug addiction clinics
he says
this is all about drugs so even
if we
had if we had more housing if
suddenly
you know housing just appeared
out of
nowhere and it was free these
people
wouldn't necessarily even take
a free
house would they correct that
the the
part that is now driving me to
my grave
I think on this problem is that
this is
a population that if you walk
up to them
and say let's go I've got a
great place
to live the majority and the
vast
majority will refuse and people
don't
believe this but when you are
chronically mentally ill unless
you have
treatment it's very difficult
to live in
four walls if you're a drug
addict you
seek the streets so there's a
attachment
to this lifestyle that is not
being
addressed the other thing is
not only
would they do not want housing
the
housing is not the problem los
Anthem we
just absorbed in the last year
or so
about conservatively 800,000
undocumented indepence we're a
sanctuary
city we welcome them in none of
them are
on the streets they all found a
place to
live
800,000 people in a year found
a place
to live so the government
continued to
focus on the housing it's a
hoax and I
can't understand why they're
focused on
it yes I'm so happy he said
this because
it's true
you have all these illegal
immigrants
finding a place to stay they're
not on
the streets of LA either so
just another
data point that this is that
there's
something else going on but all
all the
politicians can talk about is
that same
in Austin affordable housing
need
affordable housing now you've
actually
provided the reasoning behind
this in
the past John it's part of dr.
Drew's
solution so I'll get right to
it and
then when we're done you'll
remember no
it's easily solvable it just
doesn't fit
an ideology there's something
called the
lentement tetris act which is
what
allows us to treat patients
again you've
got to read this book called
American
psychosis the language Petros I
came out
in the 1960 and all throughout
human
history when people had chronic
psychiatric illness or
addiction the
system would determine need for
care if
somebody met criteria for what
was
called need for care
they were cared for they were
put in a
hospital and cared for and
stabilized
and returned to their life in
the 1960s
there was a guy named Robert
Felix that
that convinced President
Kennedy that
chronic psychiatric illness
didn't
really exist that state
hospitals caused
it
yes we have these crazy books
that were
going out that made the idea of
putting
people in psychiatric hospital
inhumane
and they passed something
called the
Lanterman tetris act which
moved need
her care to the criteria for
care as
simply harm to self or other
and if you
weren't saying I'm gonna kill
myself or
I'm gonna kill somebody else or
I'm
Napoleon I'm so severely gravely
disabled which there's a
definition that
we have to work on and we could
only
hold you for 72 hours which
doesn't
accomplish much of anything so
we could
so leave we could help people
with with
harm to self or others in 72
hours
but gravely disabled could do
nothing so
we must change the definition
of great
be disabled we must expand
conservatorships we must modify
front 47
so we can start to prosecute
drug laws
again so we can motivate drug
addicts to
get treatment from a drug
addicts is
they go one of three places
institution
which we've taken away prison
which
we've taken away or they die so
we're
leaving drug addicts to die
which is
exactly the policy and now I'm
thinking
it may be on purpose if those
are the
three options it's clear that
Los
Angeles San Francisco Chicago
Orlando
Portland Austin are choosing
the die
option let him die that could
be and
this goes back to your story
about
Reagan One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest
in the sixties was the there
was a big
stink in the 60s the year of
Vietnam War
and hippies and in rock music
psychedelic scene LSD you name
it and it
was that there was that they
bought into
the idea that he just discussed
which
was that we don't these
psychiatric
places are just terrible and
there you
know nuthouse as it were and
they
started trying to shut him down
but
there was some pushback I
probably from
the Republican side of things
but once
Ronald Reagan got in he went
with it and
so now you don't have the
pushback from
the Republicans because he is a
Republican and Reagan pretty
much
following the lead of the
Liberals shut
down all the I'd call him I
don't want
to call him internment camps
but he shut
down all the insane asylum since
California let everyone on the
street
and the problem worsened and
worsened
and worse and from that moment
on and
now it's at the point where
it's just
nuts and they if they don't
reopen these
places you're right you just
have a
bunch of corpses everywhere and
I guess
maybe that is what they want
but in the
meantime there's a couple of
things we
can do okay the most important
of which
if you're in cities like San
Francisco
or Los Angeles or Port Newark or
Portland find those cities like
Austin
and tell people how liberal
they are
about LA
it's interesting because here I
keep
telling people that this is
there's no
future and they need to go to
San
Francisco
specifically I recommend
Berkeley area
well Berkeley's not really as
great a
place as Austin if you got free
needles
on the streets
well there's free needles
everywhere but
Boston is the most liberal of
the places
that allow gonna let you do it
stop I
don't want all those dead I
don't want
the corpses everywhere that's
what it's
gonna be anyway don't let
anyone tell
you differently this is about
drugs it's
it's a part of the opioid
crisis as well
yeah it's a big part of it
opioids meth it's it's very
much that
special about Seattle the death
of
Seattle is dying Seattle is
dying
there's some good stuff in
there because
they have a bunch of regular
characters
apparently who they you know
the cops
can't do anything about and the
guys are
strung out and they brag about
being
loaded all the time on one
thing or
another yeah meth is a problem
meth is a
huge problem especially in the
Pacific
Northwest not just the opioids
meth
which is a cheap drug and it
gives you
kind of buzz these guys were
looking for
I suppose and yeah
fentanyl and math these are
terrible
products yeah yeah so there's
there's
the solutions yeah I don't know
about
prop 47 we don't have that here
but I
wish dr. drew could come and
speak at
the Austin City Council meeting
and give
him a little piece he was
invited he
probably show up nice too he's
got
enough problems in his own
backyard
we'll just keep playing clip
see if
anyone cares nobody cares they
just
assume that everyone drop dead
yeah you
can step over the body hey hey
hey
you can step over just step
overs don't
be just step over and come into
the shop
at the very end of our last
show I
received the clip of the day
which I
thought it was a good clip but
I was man
hindsight like of course I
deserve clip
of the day and that turned into
a little
bit of research I'll refresh
your memory
this is from the Google and
censorship
I'm sorry is laughing at your
self
assurance about clip of the day
sure I
deserve clip of the day just
throw it in
in the number one financial
supporter of
the Hillary Clinton way I need
to set it
up more this is the clip that I
receive
clip of the day for and it's a
senator
Cruz interviewing doctor Robert
Epstein
who has done research and
claims that in
the 2016 election at minimum
about two
and a half but possibly 10
million votes
were swayed to vote for Hillary
Clinton
based upon Google's algorithm
ik bias in
their search results say some
before you
play the clip nobody
and there's shows that
specialize in
google podcasts have played
this clip I
was looking for it I haven't
heard
anyone play this clip it was on
the
hearings and there's a there's
one show
that's a Google show and they
were
playing clips from the hearing
and they
never played this clip what
Google show
was that material we know these
Google
shows it's like do you trust
Jeff Jarvis
to be objective on Google in
general
people who do who have if
you're allowed
in the building at Google
you're not
gonna say anything bad about
Google
no it's a conflict of interest
thank you
so here's the clue we have no
conflict
of interest because everyone
hates us
and we taken a vow of poverty
it's a
twofer the number one financial
supporter of the Hillary Clinton
campaign in the 2016 election
was the
parent company of Google
alphabet now
who was our first witness they
were her
number one financial donor and
your
testimony is through their
deceptive
search methods they moved 2.6
million
votes in her direction I would
think
anybody
whether or not you favor one
can't do or
another should be deeply
dismayed about
a handful of Silicon Valley
billionaires
having that much power over our
elections to silently and
deceptively
shift vote outcomes again with
respect I
must correct you the 2.6
million is a
rock bottom minimum the range
is between
two point six and ten point
four million
depending on how aggressively
they used
the techniques that I've been
studying
now for six and a half years
Wow could
you say that again please just
two point
six million is a rock bottom
minimum the
range is between two point six
and ten
point four million votes
depending on
how aggressive they were in
using the
techniques that I've been
studying such
as the search engine
manipulation affect
the search suggestion effect
the answer
bot effect and a number of
others they
control these and no one can
counteract
them these are not competitive
these are
tools that they have at their
disposal
exclusively there you go now of
course
when you hear that you're like
even I'm
going yeah I think I said it on
the show
I don't know if it really
swayed ten
million people to you know to
vote for
Hillary over Trump if they were
you know
they're on the fence and I
think I was
reciting with it with the
professor I
think it probably could have
and you
were very skeptical so this is
better
that you do this report yes you
took it
on I will mention this just as
kind of
as an aside
let's just say the max is true
here and
the max is true about the
illegal
immigrants that are brought
into the
country to vote for the
Democrats if you
could sway 10 million votes and
and have
maybe I don't know another 10
million
immigrants all voting for
Hillary and
she still loses how much people
really
hate this woman or or how much
does he
decide or how many how much do
people
really want to vote for Trump
I mean you could look at it
either way
so a little a little background
on on
the professor is a PhD and
senior
research psychologist research
scientist
media professional author of 15
books
and reading from his own bio
more than
300 articles on psychology
related
topics including empirical
studies and
science nature psychological
science and
the Proceedings of the National
Academy
of Science as a PhD from Harvard
University under BF Skinner dr.
Epstein
is this father yeah do you know
him BF
Skinner oh yeah he's the famous
behaviorist
okay well the most famous guys
ever
Epstein is the founder and the
director
emeritus of the Cambridge
Center for
behavioral studies he's also
hosted
several radio shows etc he is a
registered Democrat he voted
for Hillary
Clinton and he started a
nonprofit which
is the American Institute for
behavioral
research and Technology 501c3 I
checked
the 990 filings has about a
hundred and
fifty thousand dollars on hand
raised
about forty thousand dollars
every year
for the past couple of years a
little
bump in 2016 the only people in
this
organization were three Epstein
himself
Tyler Healy who is the the
technology in
fact if you read his bio you
know
exactly what his technology
director
cybersecurity expert full stack
developer so he basically put
together
all the tests and then Brian
Meredith a
managing director he came to
the AI BRT
after a much honored
advertising agency
career spanning three
continents four
a vice president of Benton
Bowles
founding member and director of
the
International creative team and
mccann-erickson these are big
advertising agencies he passed
away in
2017 I think he was probably the
original funder of of this
organization
and clearly not a lot of
funding has
come in but of course if you're
fighting
Google you might have a lot of
enemies
the Google has I think is the
largest
Lobby er in DC at the moment
may be
battling with China who the
hell knows
maybe they work together I
don't know so
I looked at the research and he
has a
number of research beyond what
we're
talking about here which is
search
engine manipulation effect the
SEM he
he's also looked at the search
suggestion effect the answer
bot effect
anybody's done many other
things would
that come to psychological
behavior and
I think having an advertising
guy in
early which probably hey how do
we use
today's technology to sell
products and
that's probably he stumped yeah
so
probably the most fair research
you get
because they were looking to
figure out
what manipulates people towards
choices
the research as as published in
the PNAS
which is a Official Journal not
only was
it accepted reviewed it has been
replicated in Germany this is a
big deal
if you go look at all these
bullcrap
studies everywhere look and see
if there
was a replication of it the
replication
crisis is rampant in in
certainly in the
psychological sciences this you
know
that people can't recreate
these studies
and but still there except what
are you
eating what are you doing it's
it's
distracting me sorry but you're
ripping
paper or I am actually going
I'm looking
for some notes for one don't
tear paper
I wasn't tearing paper when I'm
in a
yeah I'm gonna name the mica so
don't
talk to me name the movie I
looked at
his research it is large groups
tens of
thousands of people
double-blind study
you're tearing paper yet double
bluff
taking people out of a pile
like don't deem Mike I need you
to be
able to interrupt for a reason
I'm just
here's a pile of paper I take
it paper
what are you looking for
something are
you doing crosses already gone
is your chair squeaking to your
paper
and they're talking back to
each other
normally you're bitching and
moaning my
interrupting because I'm not
interrupting please go back
alright so
the research is very deep it is
done
with all of us I mean I'm not a
scientist but I've seen a lot of
research throughout 11 years of
doing
the show and it really looks
like Keith
he did all the business the way
it
should be done and in 2014-15
but
particularly in 2016 he did a
number of
studies and again in 2018 where
he would
look at the results based upon
political
questions that came in from
Google query
from Bing and from Yahoo and
the results
for Google were significantly
different
I don't I think that you know
their
their algorithms are different
but the
research really focused on and
this is
what I found to be interesting
is that
there's the bias of what people
click on
in search results so when you
search for
you propose a question to
Google the top
two results receive all of the
clicks
with 50% going to the top one
30% going
to the second one it drops off
quite
dramatically interestingly the
last the
bottom one on a page gets more
more
clicks than you know the the
five or six
above it and you can probably
figure out
why we've all done that let me
scroll
down the bottom I'll click this
one I'll
go to the next page but the the
click is
pretty much always on the top
one or the
top two and depending on what
is driving
the results he found that
amongst
undecided voters this is key
people who are really on the
fence and
it could be you know undecided
voters
can be 10 percent can be 15
percent can
be 20 percent of an election
people on
the fence that that the the
choices
people make benches usually
over 20
percent the undecided voters
are always
very high right into the
election so
really what kind of percentage
we
talking I've seen as high as 40
so he
claims and that given an a/b
choice that
the top two links determined
people's
choice and regardless of what
that
content is well obviously it's
it's it's
pointing towards a or B if it's
a 20 to
90 percent will choose a over B
just
because they were the top two
links so
we understand the research
because
that's really what all his
research is
saying his research is saying
unlike
anything else when you have a
choice
between the two candidates and
you
oppose a question the top two
link
answers that you click on that
on the
top of the page will determine
who
you're going to vote for in
aggregate
over your research I should
stop you
mm-hmm I remember it because
what you're
what he's doing is maybe
deconstructing
what has already been done at
Google
because I will remind myself
that Sergey
Brin used to come on the
silicon spin
show one a lot and he one time
said to
me you know we have the most ph
d--'s of
any company in the world and
one of
those ph d--'s doing their
they're
probably trying to figure out
well they
can do stuff to manipulate
things or is
that really what they're doing
cuz I
have I have some some thoughts
about
what is what the where the bias
has come
from but I have a bunch of
clips most of
them are about 50 to 60 seconds
long but
they do tell the story as from
different
interviews that I've put
together and
the first one is Epstein
introducing
himself and giving a brief
overview of
see
which is the search engine
manipulation
effects this is what he proved
in his
research by the way the whole
PDF of his
research is in the show notes
I've been
researching all kinds of new
methods of
online influence the Internet
has made
possible my first discovery was
of
something called seem SEMA the
search
engine manipulation effect
which is the
impact that a biased search
results have
on opinions and votes when I
first
started doing experiments on
this which
was more than 6 years ago I
thought the
impact would be very small it
turns out
tündi impact is its enormous
it's one of
the largest behavioral effects
ever
discovered in the behavioral
sciences
and I published my first report
on this
effect in the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences
that was in
2015 and that report has since
been
accessed or downloaded more
than 200,000
times and that's that's a lot
for a
scientific paper and since then
I've
discovered about seven other
effects
these effects are so powerful
that if
they're in the hands of people
who have
particular political leanings
together
they can shift upwards of 15
million
votes in a presidential
election without
anyone knowing that they're
being
manipulated and without leaving
a paper
trail for authorities to trace
so that's
kind of the same background or
I gave
but it may be more succinct
language so
2016 he decided to monitor
searches this
is before the election of
leading up to
the election and to compare if
Google
was delivering biased search
results to
those top two positions versus
competitors 2016 I actually set
up the
first ever project to monitor
the search
results that Google Bing and
Yahoo were
showing users prior to the
election when
they conducted election related
searches
and I found that the search
results were
strongly biased in favor of
Hillary
Clinton whom I supported by the
way I am
NOT a conservative
and so they shifted votes lots
of votes
away from Donald Trump toward
Hillary
Clinton but in a way that people
couldn't see because the way
this works
is people trust and click on
search
results that are higher in the
list so
50% of all clicks go to the top
two
items in the low why well sure
and what
Google was doing was putting
items high
in the list that led people to
webpages
that looked that made Hillary
Clinton
look a lot better than Donald
Trump
and over time that shifts the
opinions
and votes of undecided voters
and of
course in close elections its
undecided
voters who determine the winner
in this
particular case we calculated
based on
the bias that we found that
Google could
quite easily have shifted two
to three
million votes toward Hillary
Clinton
just using this manipulation
without
anyone knowing that they were
doing it
and they're not that the part
of without
anyone knowing they're doing it
is is
important because this is not
just a
clear bias that stands out it
has a name
they can shift millions of
votes using
what they themselves call
ephemeral
experiences that in other words
things
like news feeds and search
suggestions
and search results answer boxes
these
are ephemeral because they
appear only
for a second or two they affect
your
thinking they disappear they're
not
stored anywhere no one can go
back in
time and retrace them and Google
employees and you know we've
seen in
leaks recently say they are
well aware
that they can use ephemeral
experiences
to shift votes and opinions and
they do
this deliberately I've proven
it with my
monitoring projects
so the ephemeral experiences
means it's
just it for an instant it's
just there
your search results something a
search
box your your autocomplete all
these
things are really not trackable
by you
even in your mind because it's
the way
you've done use the Google
product for
ever since you've been using it
now
there was a political article
that he
wrote explaining all this after
the
election which was followed up
by a the
top research scientist at
Google search
in Politico I think with the
only audio
report I could where video
report I
could find out it was from RT
and they
they of course say this is total
bullcrap the tech jaundiced
admit
dismissed his previous finding
saying
that its algorithms are
politically
blind
we have never reracked search
results on
any topic including elections to
manipulate political sentiment
moreover
we do not make any ranking
tweaks which
is specific to elections or
political
candidates period we always
strive to
provide our users with the most
accurate
relevant answers to their
queries Google
completely disagrees with you I
should
say first of all like they said
there's
no way this this can be true
but you
disagree is it really possible
the
results of Google searches can
influence
the way people vote well
there's no
question about that I've been
doing
randomized controlled studies
for more
than six years measuring quite
precisely
the impact that they can have on
people's thinking and behavior
and
purchases and elections but this
monitoring project that I
conducted that
should this shows beyond any
question
that there was significant
liberal bias
in google search results but
not in
search results from a Bing and
Yahoo
unfortunately about 90% of the
search is
conducted on Google not big in
Yahoo so
Google really is the deciding
factor in
in close races in fact we
calculate that
upwards of 25% of the national
elections
in the world are being decided
without people's knowledge by
Google's
search algorithm this is
important to
know and he says they're
influenced he's
not saying that they that is
their
political agenda that they are
putting
in there and if you listen
carefully to
Google's rebuttal of his
article they
say we don't rear ank results
that's not
what his research is calling
for he
actually had something to say
about it
himself that disclaimer that
denial that
you just played from Google we
have to
listen very very very carefully
to what
they're saying they're saying
they don't
rear Inc they're very careful
you know
in their their denials we don't
rear a
cup I've never claimed they
rear ank
anything I'm just recording on
what they
actually show people and what
they show
people is dramatically biased
enough and
our 2018 elections to have
shift shifted
upwards of seventy eight point
two
million votes spread across
different
races in the US and 2018 so
they're not
being completely honest with
their
answer but they're not really
lying
either I don't think their rear
anka I
don't think Sergey Brin is
sitting there
saying oh let's only make let's
make
this the top results take that
Trump I
don't think that's what's
happening well
no I mean they the professor
agrees with
that but the point is is that
if you
said your algorithms up right
and you do
our bias let's face it I mean
Sergey and
then the whole team over there
were in
tears after Hillary lost they'd
it's on
to the Internet the videos are
out there
and they're weeping over this
law saying
we didn't do enough so there's
no reason
to rear ank when the whole
thing is is
rigged and to begin with and
and it is
and I think I can explain
what's going
on first let's go to 2018 he
had some
very surprising results this
was our
most recent election not a
presidential
election and gitmo nation it
was for the
house and for the Senate we did
this
very very carefully we had a
field
agents focusing on three
congressional
races in California which were
very
hotly contested races and
Republican
districts and we gave to these
field
agents about
500 election related search
terms each
one had different search terms
for
different districts where there
are
different issues of course and
the point
is we we simply looked at what
happened
of search results they received
when
they were conducting election
related
searches and we found very
consistently
that on Google they ended up
with search
results favoring liberals and
favoring
liberal news sources and it was
quite a
dramatic effect and I'm sure
that some
of these House races were won
by people
undecided voters researching
receiving
biased search results so we're
going to
take it as a fact that Google's
search
results political search
results have
been biased and have been
left-leaning
that's just the fact that
that's it's
been replicated there's no
disputing
that but is it the algorithm or
is the
data which one is it can we
establish
any certainty just how much
influence
what people see in their
internet
searches what impact it has
upon who
they vote for well yes that's
what the
the scientific research has
been all
about and we know that among
people are
undecided on an issue if we
show them a
search results that favor one
cause or
favor one candidate like brexit
for
example among people who are
undecided
that easily can shift twenty
percent or
more of them in the direction
of the
bias upwards of up to 80
percent shifts
in some demographic groups
people trust
algorithmic output they trust
Google
they think it's because it's
generated
by a computer they don't see
the human
hand they think it's impartial
and
objective and their opinions
change so
we've measured that quite
precisely now
in five national elections in in
multiple countries and so we
know for
sure that that is occurring now
around
the world without people's
knowledge so
again is it the algorithm
that's making
decisions or is the data now
we're going
to move to two other scientists
we'll actually we'll start with
Cathy
O'Neil she wrote the book
weapons of
mass destruction she used to be
a hedge
fund quant
which means she would write
algorithms
to determine market moves and
how you
can take its you know that's a
lot of
the flash trading is based on
on quanta
quant work
I think Kwan stands for what
corner uh I
don't know what it stands for
quantitative analysis ok so a
quant is
looking at an algo is
programmed to look
for little moves and grab those
and it
can be pennies or sometimes
fractions
and enough of those over the
course of a
day and you're making millions
of
dollars and she got bored with
that and
she went to go work in the in
data
sciences for commercial
companies for
insurance companies etc and she
discovered pretty quickly that
she was
really separating people into
classes
classes of standing at really
the
opposite of a lot of what what
America
is supposed to be and she did I
became
interested in what she was
saying
because I you know we've been
following
algorithms for a long time on
the show
I'm gonna paraphrase her
algorithms are
automated opinions of the
status quo so
there's an opinion that says
anyone
living in this code zip code is
worthwhile to me for my
marketing if you
see it on from the zip code
taken right
away so that is an opinion and
that is
my opinion at this very moment
and the
algorithm from now on will make
that
decision automatically without
any
exception it will not change it
and if
that's the only data it has
it's only
going to find people in that
zip code as
being valid your some of her
talking
about this algorithms don't
make things
fair if you just lively blindly
apply
algorithms they don't make
things fair
they repeat our past practices
are
patterns they automate the
status quo
that would be great if we had a
perfect
world but we don't but the data
scientists in those companies
are told
to follow the data to focus on
accuracy
think about what that means
when because
we all have bias it means they
could be
codifying
sexism or any other kind of
bigotry this
is all from Ted Radio hours I
couldn't
get too much about the music
they put
under everything and she's very
interesting talk that she has
now how
our algorithms program they're
programmed with data and the
data
ingress of teaching the
algorithm you've
probably heard this term is
machine
learning and depending on the
data you
have you're going to feed that
in you're
going to program the algorithm
which is
very simple if this then that
it's
really not much more than that
it sounds
really really complicated but
the
underlying data seems to be a
much
bigger issue now we're going to
talk to
MIT researcher who graduated
for MIT it
you have to kind of get over
her valley
kind of girl speak up talking
cuz she is
very smart and she has done a
lot of
research in this area joy
woolum bulam
weenie and she ran into a data
machine
learning issue very early on I
when it
can she's black when it came to
facial
recognition I am the founder of
the
algorithmic justice Li so my
personal
mission is to fight algorithmic
bias yes
the algorithmic Justice League
which is
a group of computer scientists
and
coders who try to raise
awareness about
the social problems that exist
in
algorithms if something joy
recently
demonstrated by using a basic
webcam and
facial analysis technology it's
a kind
of technology you might find
when you
upload a picture on social
media and so
what I do is I sit in front of
the
camera hoping for my face to be
detected
and I have pretty dark skin so
I'm
sitting there with my face dark
skin
there's no detection
then I pull on my friends face
who has
much lighter skin that I've
been ideas
she's Chinese and you see that
her face
is immediately detected so then
I switch
back to my face dark-skinned and
gorgeous not detected I put on
a white
mask and after I put on the
white mask
that's when I'm detected and I
wanted to
show this as an example that in
the same
conditions right a typically
lit office
we were having a different
experience
you're saying that that a lot
of the
software doesn't detect black
faces
absolutely this kind of
technology is
being built on machine learning
techniques and machine learning
techniques are based on data so
if you
have biased data in the input
and it's
not addressed you're going to
have
biased outcomes so this is a
real-world
example you recall that there
was a
outrage over google recognizing
black
faces tagging them as gorillas
I think
it was Google it may have been
Facebook
doesn't matter and the reason
for this
is when the algorithm was built
it was
done with an initial data set
that
developers probably a bunch of
dudes
probably Asian and white dudes
use their
faces to train the algorithm
and they
just didn't have any black
faces at the
time and lo and behold the
machine
didn't know what they were cuz
it had
never been given black face
algorithmic
data and so it it went to
whatever it
thought was the closest thing
and sadly
it said oh this is a gorilla so
it was
very embarrassing but it's
because the
core base even at the
development stage
didn't have the right amount of
data
here's a fun game to play I
want you to
picture John a shoe everyone
can play
this at home so think of a shoe
don't
tell me what it is just create
an image
of your shoe in your mind now
we're
going to feed that image into
into an
algorithm and say this is a shoe
whenever you see this label
this shoe
what image of a shoe did you
have in
your mind John I had an image
of a
beat-up the kind of flattened
leather
shoe with Ruis
some shoestrings right so I had
a
sneaker in mind and if you
don't put the
sneaker in or a high-heeled or
I did
this with Tina yesterday she was
thinking of a sandal I never
would have
thought of a sandal so if you
don't put
the sandal in it's never going
to show
up in the algo as a shoe and
this is how
the core data is biased it's not
necessarily left right
you know black/white the
Republican
Democrat Democrat it's just
missing data
that creates an inherent bias
detected
well we have to look at how we
give
machine sight computer vision
uses
machine learning techniques to
do facial
recognition so how this works
is you
create a training set with
examples of
faces is the face is the face
this is
not a face and over time you
can teach a
computer how to recognize other
faces
however if the training sets
aren't
really that diverse any face
that
deviates too much from the
established
norm will be harder to detect
which is
what was happening to me so now
let's go
to what's happening with
political
questions and results in Google
Google
is a left-leaning company it is
a
liberal company so their base
algorithmic sets are always
going to be
based on their inherent bias
and I'll
give you an example if someone
asks a
question about Hillary
Clinton's emails
they need a result I let me
take a look
what we have we have some Wall
Street
Journal some Fox News oh here's
a New
York Times article that says it
was kind
of a big nothing burger it's
the New
York Times so yeah I think
that's well
put that at the top and we'll
put number
two we'll put maybe some maybe
something
from The Wall Street Journal
little less
nuanced okay now you've just
trained the
algorithm based on whatever it's
supposed to be doing that these
are the
shoes for that kind of shoe
question
take this one step further who
is
training the machine learning
of Google
is done by my future
daughter-in-law we
talked about her sitting here
on the
back porch just like tens of
thousands
of other people who are
reviewing search
results some
it's just the pure search
results on
that's from hey Google they do
it from
multiple companies then let's
say
there's a question about
Hillary's
emails that she'll be now let
me go take
a look I don't think this
answer is
right because it doesn't fit
what I
think about it so I think that
this
article over here from Politico
that's
that's the right answer so I'm
going to
tag this it's going to be
inherently
biased towards left-leaning
results
because of the data because of
the
employees because of what
Google is this
is not it's far worse than
Sergey Brin
sitting there going hey let me
change it
no it will never change because
the
organization is inherently
biased and
the data scientists are not real
scientists they're assholes who
are not
checking their data they're not
replicating it checking it for
any kind
of fairness bias etc that
they're also
probably very left-leaning
and this is a mind-blowing
problem above
some unfair shit they're
putting in and
that's why they can easily say
we're not
doing anything we're not rear
Anki no
but all the people you hire who
they
don't check they don't check
these
people who are who are that
being at
task to make sure the results
are proper
did I do it just bring
something they're
paying him 14 bucks an hour if
even that
they don't care these reviewers
often
well then you have to explain a
couple
of things okay
first of all is no coincident
that
coincidence that Google was the
largest
contributor to Hillary's
campaign and it
would be in their best
interests as they
won yes or she won sure
secondly how do
you you match up the Google
employees
with the Yahoo employees which
is what
one of the elements that he
compared
with or the Bing employees up at
Microsoft ah the Microsoft
employees in
fact I believe are probably
much more
liberal I do not bias then they
are at
Google I do not believe that
they have
the same algorithms and the
same data
that they're using google has
vast
sources of data that they're
using in a
variety of ways that that
Yahoo and Bing have no access
to I don't
think that their algorithms are
basing
it on thousands of people in
fact I've
heard of no one who's reviewing
content
choices for being or for Yahoo
I don't
hear about that I hear it's for
Google
Facebook and Apple and what's
not
explained and you're not
explaining it
is Yahoo if anyone doesn't know
this
uses the Google engine I don't
know I
don't know that I don't know
what
they're using I don't know if
they have
the exact same data see what
they're
using is their Dave Dave
they're using
the Google engine well whatever
that
means you need to show me what
that
means
because I don't believe so I
don't think
it's the exact same thing
Google is
using it just makes no sense
why would
they even be contemplating
building it's
the exact same thing cuz you're
not
getting the exact same exactly
but not
the sense the word is that
that's what
they're using right it does not
that
that by itself does not mean
that
they're manually or or
overriding the
algorithm because it would have
been
what Yahoo output now I don't
believe
that for a second this is a
much bigger
problem
Google is biased the company is
biased
whatever Google is is what they
will be
presenting to people
the sad part is as it turns out
that
bias swings large percentages of
undetermined voters that's the
I mean
the only solution in the near
term is to
make google searching illegal
for some
period of time because it's
it's it's
not stoppable it will not they
cannot
stop but it is their system you
can go
through it and you can look at
every
every piece of the step logic
to see
where the results comes there
won't be
no injection of oh it's about
Trump
let's give him something else
no this is
happening throughout the entire
system
the whole their whole data
structure is
biased you cannot walk away
from this
now the only other thing I'd
like to say
in this presentation is that
sadly this
is not just happening
with our elections this is
happening
everywhere in your life and if
you don't
know what's going on you're
getting
screwed and you're at a
disadvantage
back to Cathy O'Neil for a
quickie
algorithms that sort through
resumes or
algorithms that personality
tests are
algorithms that decide who is a
good
insurance risk they're very
very similar
to in different companies so
they're
sorting people in the same kind
of way
and if you think about what
that doesn't
a society level it's sorting
winners and
losers in the standard
old-fashioned way
that we've been trying to get
over that
we've been trying to transcend
through
class or gender through race
and it's
against the American Dream you
know it
is actually a social mobility
problem
and that's what I realized I
was like
I'm working on this
I left finance and now what I'm
doing is
I'm I'm sort of codifying
inequality and
just as a as a as a goof I was
looking
around saying looking for
search terms
such as how do I beat the the
insurance
algorithm and there's a lot of
information people have figured
out how
do I circumvent the job site
algorithm
your if you put a resume in to
a job
site your shit is not even
getting to
people you're being pre sorted
and let
me give an example one of the
data
fields would be where did you
hear this
commercial and I heard one just
the
other day job site comm slash
NPR please
go to job DICOM so job site
comm slash
NPR as you know that in many
cases the
algorithm will be looking only
for those
people whether you listen to
NPR or not
they got the code they put that
in those
are going to be the smart
people there's
the 1i they're the ones I want
screw
everything else same with
insurance
Colossus which is this big
algorithm
that is used for almost all the
insurance companies and you
know what it
all starts with you know what
the number
one field is in all of these
algorithmic
decisions the number one data
point for
insurance for a job for I don't
have to
tell you all the different
things what
is it it's your credit score
another damn algorithmic piece
of crap
determining your life so if
you're
wondering why you're not
getting a job
maybe you're not submitting it
right in
fact we need to have our data
scientists
our dudes and dudettes named
Ben and
Bernadette you need to be
whistle
blowing what's the bias within
your
company you know it's happening
you know
that something's going on you
know that
results are being filtered out
based
upon X Y or Z we need
whistleblowers and
it may not even be malicious
but it's
happening your life is being
determined
by bad data choices anyone
who's a data
scientist should be ashamed of
their
field
hey I've said for years the
Internet
should have been shut down well
it just
really not as exacerbated as it
is if
there was no internet it's
correct well
I don't want to mention
professor Ted
with that I'd like to thank you
for your
courage and say in the morning
to you
the man who put the C in the
carbon
captions John see Dad mister
I'm Korean
they're mourning all ships at
sea boots
on the ground and subs in the
water
there's any out there left and
all the
Dames tonight's out there in
the morning
to our troll room
hello trolls they had nothing
but stupid
comments during that
presentation very
demotivating but thank you very
much and
no agenda stream com be looking
at the
troll room where you're giving a
presentation like that it's
interesting
you say that I have noticed I
don't
usually by the way push stop
you and
destroy room and I would say
horror
which is the same way it's just
like the
closed captioning I don't know
what you
mean by that it's just like an
addiction
is something because you did
you just
need this these words up there
no actually fuck you know I I
was I've
had it written down for a
number of
episodes to bring this up there
is
it's off to the side it's not
my main
view it's always scrolling it's
a small
terminal window and I always
wonder why
I pick out certain one-liners
or certain
things and I believe what is
happening
is in my peripheral view I'm
seeing this
my brain has developed over the
course
of a decade develop some
mechanism to
process in the little little
side thread
processing what is being said
there and
it actually alerts my active
speaking
brain to look over there when
there's
something that may be of
interest that's
what's happening I'm just smart
if this
is true I would recommend
anybody in
their ol room to start selling
atom
stuff okay because this looks
like he's
open for subliminal suggestion
that's
exactly what it is in the
morning - Adam
at sea the artist who brought
us the
artwork for episode 11 56 title
of that
was pivotal now we chose an
evergreen
for this and I got a really
pissed-off
bunch of them a bunch of
messages since
we artists yes I got it I'll
tell you
exactly who it was from
the artist is hold on net Ned
and this
was actually my favorite piece
which was
the Charlie's Angels as the
squad and he
was yelling and screaming and I
said
well this is a passionate you
know it's
very passionate I said it's
interesting
because that was my favorite
piece and
as you know what was I agree
with that
we both have veto and you said
no I've
seen it on the M's m5m news and
you
didn't you thought it was you
didn't
like it anyway but you said you
would
seen it somewhere else and so
you vetoed
it and you know I was like okay
I
haven't seen that specific
piece but I
saw that the reference to
Charlie the
reference yeah the reference
well he was
very corny to be honest about
it well
just letting them know what the
process
is so at least I also don't
like the
idea of a quaity
here's here's my final
rationalities
interested because we do have to
rationalize what we pick and
the two of
us being the art critics that
we are I
didn't think it was it was
correct to
glorify this group of four in
that way I
thought it was a glorification
piece and
I didn't think it was
appropriate well
you didn't say that as such but
did you
I did I remember said I did I
thought
you said you didn't like it for
a number
of reasons and maybe you said
course one
of the reasons were already
agree you're
already looking at evergreens
by the
time I came up with that it was
a
glorification piece that was
unnecessary
and improper
so Jimmy NAND and we look at
these
things whenever you won't want
to put a
person in the artwork we're
gonna be
hypercritical so you know
having a Oh
see it may be a funny joke to
put a
little Mensa label there but
that's not
artwork that I want to click on
I know I
click on her and this the whole
idea is
to get someone to click on it
so when
you when you vilify people you
know
there's a really a 50/50 chance
it's not
even you know it's just the way
it is
yeah you're asking for trouble
well it
could be you make us laugh out
loud I
mean there was the one instance
I still
remembers to George Bush I
think this
was done by Nick or or Martin
JJ one of
them where George Bush had
those big
coke bottle glasses on and the
huge
eyeballs and that was all the
art was
yeah but when you looked at it
you
cracked up right now so we
picked it
that's the one that got
economic strip
bloggers all bent out of shape
right
also a lot of if you there's a
lot of
kind of like mainstream joke we
have to
manage artists imagine this
nightmare
hey that's your beat as far as
I'm
concerned the artist you
deserve always
been a nightmare for anybody
who's worth
in the you know as an art
director well
thank you very much Adam at sea
and all
of the artists who always
participate or
not it's okay it's totally
understood I
get it it's a you spend a lot
of time
you don't get chosen it sucks
no agenda
art generator
that piece with the Charlie's
Angels
thing was there was some effort
put into
it it wasn't like it boss away
no it
wasn't at all but that's why it
was act
of course he was act yeah I
just wanted
to make sure voice was hurt
anyway I
made sure that he hates you now
and not
both of us or means yeah yeah
I'm the
I'm I'm the one responsible for
veto you
need that that's another that
particular
piece yeah
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heard yeah it may be
reproducible and
and I think we kind of proved
that in
our our search engine bias
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but medicine tends to assume
all women
are the same at least in
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Crichton
model fertility care system
which tracks
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the goal
of this system is to know when
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never
heard of Celeste Barbour I
wouldn't have
heard of her either nor would
Tina she
has something on Instagram
which I don't
look at but Tina follows her
which is
the Celeste barber challenge
and she's
from Australia and she's a
good-looking
a woman but she's not not a
model if I
can if that explains what I'm
talking
about and so you know a model
will be
doing something gracious you
know
getting out of a Kate Upton
actually
slipping out of a pool with her
breasts
protruding and the water just
slipping
off or svelte body and then
she'll post
a picture of that and have her
go down
of her doing the same thing
which of
course is hilarious and so this
was
really a comedy show probably
more for
women than anything but I
learned a lot
of things about giving birth
and being
pregnant that I never knew
about and if
your wife is expecting see if
you can
catch a Celeste Barbour show
you will be
both horrified and informed
there's a
lot of things we as guys don't
know and
it's probably it might have
been better
we didn't yeah keep it that way
our ESP ICT but at the end of
the day
they're backing them you know
the
backing come on at the end of
the day at
the end of the day John if
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to get anyone they can get him
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a couple of them now
fun fact Toronto is often
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must be named Carolyn of hog
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Kouga so I've been putting a
lot of
notes on Twitter demanding that
they
start putting a Hillary on
these polls
yes
I've you are now in the
Democrat Hall of
Fame I believe that people
really love
you trying to bring her in I
think she
knows no gurus they don't want
her
that's probably true maybe it's
not true
all I know is that if you're
gonna start
doing these comparisons about
who can be
trumpeter who's gonna get the
most votes
or who can get the nomination
why isn't
she on there just as a test I'm
with I
didn't was on there before he
ever
declared to run yeah I'm with
you I'm
with you okay so the reason
would be
they hate her that even with
Google's
biased algorithm in her favor
she's
still lost would these be the
reasons
that they don't want it happened
somewhere you know here's what
my
thinking is cuz I've been
trying to
figure this out myself I think
that
Hillary was not a good
candidate because
she really didn't she she just
thought
she was gonna waltz in and she
did they
no effort she had her same
cronies
running the campaign that they
were
doing that the loss to Obama
they're
lazy campaigners and they
didn't really
do a very good job of it
because she cuz
they all were taught themselves
into
believing like the Democrats do
they
talked themselves into
believing that
they're gonna run against some
bonehead
this Trump guys joke in fact
they wanted
him why a candidate they wanted
him to
be candidates like oh please
would be so
great we need him to be kidding
the
media was all in on that so
they kept
and I'll say it again according
to
reports because I don't know
the media
won't cover Bernie is that I
less likely
to blame Schultz for the
screw-up with
Bernie they're you know putting
Bernie
on the side then I am the media
the
media would cover every giant
Trump
rally there were 25,000 people
at a
trump rally let's say on
average and
there was 50 people a hundred
people 200
people at a Hillary rally and
25,000
or more at a Bernie rally they
would not
cover the Bernie rallies no and
they're
still not covering I understand
I not
don't know for a fact because
the media
is not covering it but I heard
there was
a one Bernie rally recently
with 50,000
people attending I wouldn't
surprise me
this is this has been very
consistent
with his campaigning but of
course he's
not really a Democrat and they
all know
it that's why they like he says
he just
leeching off our ticket like a
good
socialist would do there's an
element of
that he's not a Democrat as an
independent and so now he corns
in at
the end I can see them not
wanting him
you know the guy's not even a
Democrat
he's an independent just using
us you
know using us he's a huge loser
socialist user socialist user
has yeah
that's what he is
that's what he is okay so I
just want to
see I just want just put
Hillary on a
pole I mean you know double-l
not and
not Elly yeah I love the story
that
Bernie's campaign workers you
know who
have a union yeah are thinking
of
striking because he's not
paying him $15
an hour which is what he's the
very
proposal he's making for the
rest of the
country yes oh it's bent I
thought for
sure you would have had
something about
that I miss oh this is great
yeah
they're all great we work in 60
or 70
hours and we're making the
equivalent of
about 1350 so you got it up it
for us
you know we need to have 15 out
of 15
dollars an hour this is what
you're
proposing here labor fight
Royals Bernie
Sanders campaign as workers
demand the
$15 hourly pay the candidate has
proposed for employees
nationwide no
Bernie Bernie when they busted
him last
go-around when he was like
there was
some sexism or some crap in the
campaign
they throw it at him at the end
I said
what word about this and what
about that
Bernie's really good at
deflecting this
stuff will come out and say I
don't know
about
big stink about it and any of
you look
into it may I just say you're
Bernie's
pretty good to get in there
Horowitz has
got it nailed interesting so
see if I
Hey all right we got a few
things going
there say yeah I got a weird
gaff the
Judi had a gaff on PBS that was
kind of
odd okay can we go straight to
it yeah
and that's on healthcare Bernie
Sanders
is out there saying let's move
to single
payer doubling down on that
saying
that's the way we take care of
all
Americans but you have Al Gore
doubling
down on Obamacare what does
this add up
to yeah I mean the the Joe
Biden was
said Al Gore hey overshadow but
not that
much yeah Joe Joe Biden hmm
what was
going on in her head I mean you
can make
all kinds of different mistakes
but Al
Gore she was probably first
thinking of
VP you know cuz Biden was vice
president
and then she probably thought
of some
dick oh yeah it must have been
a you
know I don't know something
weird kind
of odd it's very odd well at
least
someone caught or called her
out on it
gee that doesn't even happen
that often
anymore no usually they just
keeps going
now there's the story that was
under
Mockridge that worked I've said
this
before democracy now is not a
great news
outlet but but occasionally
they do
stories that nobody else
touches yeah I
agree with that that doesn't
mean that
they're good or they're correct
yeah
they do them but they at least
I mean
and that you have to give them
credit
for in fact that's one of the
reasons
I'm always compelled to listen
to the
show a lot of its eye rolling a
lot of
it that they do they do the
Association
stories where they talk about
one thing
and switch to another to make
you
associate I don't like that I
have an
example of that today okay
but there's this one and to be
honest
about it
I don't remember the story at
all and
this is the story about
Katherine gun
and only democracy now covered
it it was
that she was a wish
whistleblower for
GCHQ the British blew the
whistle on the
first go-around did the British
intelligence
yeah they stands for government
communications headquarters and
it's a
it's the NSA NSA of England and
she was
a worker there and she blew the
whistle
on some bullcrap that was going
on some
blackmail which is what we'd
say these
agencies are good for that was
gonna
happen and she and this is
before the
Iraq war came up with the idea
well met
weapons of mass destruction
they were
going to go in there first and
they were
going to use these tricks a
trick to get
in there without having to
bullcrap the
public with their weapons of
mass
destruction and so her story is
just
discussed on Democracy Now cuz
the other
ones have covered it and so
let's listen
to this is a long clip is two
minutes
low over two minutes
Katherine guns story DN as the
British
government says it's identified
the
person who leaked cables that
forced out
the British ambassador to the
United
States for calling President
Trump inept
we look at the real-life
political
thriller of a British
intelligence
specialist who risked
everything to blow
the whistle on us dirty strict
on us
dirty tricks at the United
Nations in
the lead up to the Iraq
invasion in 2003
Katherine Gunn was working for
Britain's
government communications
headquarters
known as GCHQ the Intelligence
Agency
similar to the National
Security Agency
here when she opened a top
secret NSA
memorandum the highly
confidential memo
revealed the United States was
collaborating with Britain and
collecting sensitive
information on
United Nations Security Council
members
in order to pressure them into
supporting the Iraq invasion
guided by
her conscience Katherine Gunn
defied her
government and leak the memo to
the
press setting off a chain of
events that
jeopardized her freedom her
but also open the door to
putting the
entire Iraq invasion on trial
the claim
Pentagon Papers whistleblower
Daniel
Ellsberg described Katherine
guns action
is the most important and
courageous
leak I have ever seen Dan
Ellsberg said
no one else including myself
has ever
done what Katherine Gunn did
tale secret
truths a personal risk before
in a
minute war in time possibly to
avert it
well now Catherine Gunn's story
is being
told in the new film Official
Secrets
starring Keira Knightley at the
time her
actions received very little
attention
from journalists in the United
States
unless Democracy Now
in 2004 Democracy Now
interviewed
Catherine Gunn I asked her why
she
decided to leak the memo when I
saw this
email asking excuse helped to
bug these
three nations to get a vote for
the war
with Iraq I was very angry at
first and
very saddened that it had come
to this
and that despite all the talk
from both
Tony Blair and George Bush
about how
important it was to get the UN
on on
board and legitimize any kind of
aggression that they were
actually going
around it in such low handed
manner so I
decided that the risk to my
career was
minut compared to the coming
war in Iraq
just for context the six
nations that
the next clip okay then I'll be
quiet
now the reason that the next
clip is
they actually brought her on
again she's
on the show now and they're
asking her
about the six nations in this
and they
have the director of the movie
there and
a whole bunch of other people
it's
actually a big group and she's
there and
a couple of things I found it
fascinating which was one is
that and
we've discussed this on the
show and
this is discussed and a couple
of new
items being developed whereby
it turns
out that
the CIA has at least one or
maybe two
people in every major news
outlet in the
country and they put a stop to
this sort
of thing so that's why the
story was
never discussed in the American
media it
just was killed he's bragging
about it
democracy now did it because
democracy
now if they have a spook in
there is a
me yeah because I don't know
anybody so
they have and they figure well
we can't
get a spook in there we've had
situations where we know people
that
have worked at certain
organizations
that have discussed with us
people that
are there that don't make that
why are
they there or what are they
doing there
what and they keep screwing
with us
we're talking about within the
NPR world
and every place is read me vo we
identified one working there we
believe
and they're all over the place
and I
always like to spot him and
this is our
spot to spook game oh is that
where
you're going this okay so we go
you have
all these I just wanted to
mention this
because people should know that
the it's
really difficult on the No
Agenda show
for anyone to get in to be a
spook
because this is just a small
operation
list I know I'm not a spook I
know I'm
not a spook he knows he's done
so
there's nobody that's why our
show tells
stories about you know it's not
like
it's not like within a giant
organization where there's a
spook or
two that will quash store now
you know
guys just the people aren't
interested
in that they're not interested
in that
once you talk about do we had a
better
story than that so you like you
know if
you don't do that story would
you like
us to write a book for you and
put your
name on it yeah exactly and you
can go
on CNN
brought her on and they asked
her about
the about the about the
countries and
the she gives she won't she
doesn't give
the laundry list but directed
us and
then they imply it was all it
was all
part of a blackmailing
operation but
what did you see in your email
well it
was a memo from a chap called
frank cosa
who worked at the institute and
i was
just a request from the NSA to
for GCHQ
to assist them in bugging the
domestic
and office communications of
the six UN
Security Council delegates wait
a second
in bugging in spying on in
eavesdropping
wiretapping whatever yeah and
who were
these six countries yes Angola
Cameroon
Bulgaria um Chile Pakistan and
Mexico
yeah and and six countries were
the
non-permanent members on the UN
Security
Council at the time and the
idea was
they would figure out which way
they
were going to vote so that they
could
sway them well normal that idea
was to
gather information that they
could use
to bribe them or you know I'm
threaten
them into voting YES for the
resolution
the term is blackmail I don't
know why
she didn't use it the term is
blackmail
and that's what is going on
with all
this snooping and this is
another
message that people need to
understand
when you say well I don't care
if they
listen in on what I'm doing cuz
I'm not
doing anything wrong
that's not the point no it's
not you
that's doing anything wrong it's
somebody else who can be
blackmailed and
they would maybe vote against
your
interests yes and that's the
problem
with that's why privacy has to
be a big
deal it's not because oh I'm
not doing
anything wrong I don't care if
they're
listening in now there's no
such thing
as privacy you could have
stopped a
horrible war which hundreds of
thousands
of people were killed in but now
you didn't care about your
privacy now
of course this ended up being
they did
screw up the war's beginning so
it had
to come up with the yellowcake
and all
the other crap looming him to
aluminum
I'm looking at the at the
Wikipedia
entry for this story of
Katherine gun
and it says Angola Bulgaria
Cameroon
she'll a Pakistan but not
Mexico it says
Guinea this guy said Mexico
Mexico
Mexico Mexico is not in
Wikipedia its
Guinea he said Mexico it's not
in the
wiki end on the we have to look
at who
was on the Security Council at
the times
there's some as this brought
urge that
tomorrow lots of people but who
was the
swing it doesn't really matter
I'm just
saying let's go out for a
reason again
yeah Wikipedia had very
trustworthy over
there at the Wikipedia with
grey hair
blue blue this he's got a nice
kind of a
Brooks Brothers jacket a blue
shirt or
light blue shirt or even a
white shirt a
tie kind of a regimental tie
nothing
fancy use the white hair for
some
unknown reason and that guy is
the guy
who probably put a court cross
that
unites arguing against it my
theory oh
how could I absolutely right
it's just
it's just sad how you made a
good point
there it's like it is important
what
people can hear what you're
doing or see
what you're doing it is
important it
does make a difference
unbelievable well
that's me that's pretty good so
they're
bringing her back and what was
kind of
the whole point of this revisit
this
really ties into the guy who
got busted
that you know the British
ambassador to
the US who said Trump was an
idiot we
talked about this in the last
show of
the show before this good
character and
I guess you know this is just
democracy
not trying to keep the flames
bubbling
about so they can keep saying
well he
said the Brett and Bowser said
Trump was
inept I see I see what you're
saying
okay I make sense I mean
there's a lot
of these I don't know if you
call it
conflating I think there's
another
example in here where they're
talking
about one thing and she has to
throw
something else in she does this
constant
here's here's a me changing the
subject
I'm sure she did that expertly
Environmental Protection Agency
announced Thursday it will not
ban the
widely used pesticide
chlorpyrifos even
though the agency's own
research shows
it can cause brain damage in
children
the Obama administration said
it would
ban the use of the toxic
chemical in
2015 but the rule never took
effect and
was suspended in 2017 by then
EPA had
Scott Pruett this comes as the
Trump
administration is preparing to
roll back
government regulations on
nuclear power
plants with staffers at the
Nuclear
Regulatory Commission
recommending
allowing the nuclear industry
to carry
out more self inspections while
slashing
the size and scope of radiation
protection and emergency
preparedness
inspections and nuclear plants
well very
a very slick got to do it the
other a
very slick transit transition
into
something I didn't really even
hear
anywhere so while completely
unrelated
I'd like that news at the end
it was
interesting yeah taking a bit
back by
but I've been hearing these
these these
kind of stories like this where
you talk
about one thing and somehow get
it into
another topics we make a
transition they
want the other example that is
this one
you can't climate change
transitions to
jew-hatred noise so why did the
old
party environment mental
committee
accuse the government of
coasting on
climate change
I just wage or something here
does it go
from denial from climate denial
to
Holocaust denial oh it's a
different
kind of transit oh okay well
the pay
attention everybody so why did
the all
party environment mental
committee
accused the government of
coasting on
climate change the government
has a fine
record on climate change
including our
[Applause]
emissions but then the Prime
Minister
changed tack this morning more
than 60
Labour members of the Lord's
put their
names to an advert in The
Guardian
newspaper they accused Jeremy
Corbyn of
failing to tackle anti-semitism
and said
he'd allowed a toxic culture to
grow in
the labour party before the
right
honourable gentleman stands up
and
parades himself as the champion
of
climate change or the champion
of the
people or the defender of
equality and
fairness he needs to apologize
for his
failure to deal with racism in
the
labour party to resume produced
a copy
of the advert and began to read
from it
welcome everyone
this is great we that was quick
and she
just went from you know what
you hate
Jews to you know the people or
the
defender of equality and
fairness he
needs to apologize for his
failure to
deal with racism in the Labor
Party
Theresa May produced a copy of
the
advert and began to read from
it the
Labour Party welcomes everyone
this is your legacy mr. Corben
you still
haven't opened your eyes you
still
haven't told the whole truth
you still haven't accepted your
responsibility you have failed
the test
of leadership apologized now
[Applause]
the Labour leader said his
party had
been the first to introduce
anti-racist
legislation this party totally
opposes
racism in any form whatsoever
anti-semitism has no place in
our
society no place in any of our
parties
and no pays place in any
dialogue
[Music]
unbelievable truly I mean
that's that's
I mean they I've seen the
newspapers
talk about a little bit in the
UK and
people but I mean just for
Theresa May
to jump out like that that was
that was
out of the blue cuz they're
talking
about climate change that was
just lame
but it was funny and I'm you
see I
thought you see comedy bits
about
there's one thing I remember
from you
years ago on an old show called
Fridays
we're actually Larry David was
playing a
character and he comes in and
there G
comes in as a substitute lawyer
and then
he so he comes in as a
substitute lawyer
into some case about about
whatever the
case was he goes up in the
first thing
he does is he accuses the
witness of
being a lesbian for no reason
for no
reason fantastic that was good
that's in
fact I think that is worthy of
a clip of
the day I'm gonna give that
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but that was truly bizarrely
nutty and
what a way to shame someone
just in a
horrific way you Jew hater
apologize now
Jew hater what's the guy gonna
do I'm
sorry it's not that different
than what
did calling everyone a racist
if a Jew
hater is next level shit man
now there
was something going on there
was a bunch
of protests being discussed on
democracy
now I want to play these two
clips real
quick cuz one of them is
neither one of
these stories keep cropped up
but the
second one is very strange to
me because
when you hear the second one
you're
gonna wonder what is going on
but this
is the undiscussed protester
says NIN's
but of nuns there's a nun
protests going
on in Washington DC
Capitol Police arrested 70
Catholic nuns
and clergy Thursday as they
held a
non-violent sit-in protests
inside the
Russell Senate office building
against
the Trump administration's
inhumane
treatment of immigrants and
asylum
seekers more than a dozen
protestors
stood in a circle holding the
photographs of migrant children
who've
died in US custody reciting
their names
the latest protest came as
immigrant
communities across the country
have
prepared for reported ice raids
that
were scheduled to begin last
weekend but
have largely not materialized
nearer
never getting materialized but
that's
the thing is a conflict of
interest the
Catholic Charities and the
whole thing
and we come on nuns oh yeah
totally
this is a very good point and
people
need to understand that the
Catholic
Charities receive over a
billion dollars
just recently actually it was
two
billion for all of them but
these the
Catholic Charities and the
charities it
would locate it here in Austin
I think
it's because it's a Christian or
Catholic I don't remember there
one is
Catholic says Catholic but they
are
religious organizations who are
receiving this government money
to to
take care of the kids take two
kids and
then have the nuns protesting
yeah that
is pretty sickening thinking
that they
may be just protesting for
money for
their organization it's not
where was
the mention of that I'm sure
that I'm
sure Amy came back and said
something
about
that didn't you know okay well
now yet
but that what came up next was
this and
listen to this carefully and
tell me
have you heard anything about
this and
why does it what what is what's
the deal
this is the last clip that says
I know
what it says is will Indian
asylum
something you see it yeah I see
you got
meanwhile a group of Indian
asylum
seekers in El Paso Texas have
launched a
hunger strike from inside a nice
immigration Jail demanding they
be
released while they appeal their
deportation orders one of the
men told
the Texas Monthly if I go back
to India
I'll be tortured and killed
I can die here it's the second
time this
year that Indian men have led
hunger
strikes at the El Paso
processing center
oh I think we should just open
the
borders for all Indians so you
know what
this is about
what are they protesting if
they go back
to India they're gonna be
tortured and
and they're gonna die there
what well
you know anything about Indians
being
tortured in India and coming
over here
somehow getting over here and
ending up
in El Paso well I'm pretty sure
they
have millions of slaves in
India people
are in slave labor situations
in the
caste system it's a very
divided culture
they have so yeah I'm pretty
sure if
you're in the in the lower
tiers that
you just screw you you're no
good
well I'd like to get more
information on
this story she didn't provide
anything
she's just a vague it was just
a vague
general story like as I said we
all
supposed to know about this I
don't know
anything about this life I was
distressed hmm somehow I get a
short
picture of you really being
distressed
but I understand I see the show
I so I
can offer since we're in the
topic okay
latest racist remarks ooh that
may be a
good one we'll have more
unprecedent
Trump's latest racist remarks
remarks
it's you didn't clip it very
well a
little thing at the end more on
precedent Trump's latest racist
remarks
so now I gotta commit I had a
great clip
at the end
mmm it's a poor consideration
we've been
talking about the face app that
changes
your face that once again went
viral and
even though we discussed it
clearly in
detail on the last episode as
to why
this is a problem your
government not
yours maybe mm but here in
America we
got Chuck Schumer one of the
leading
Democrats the the copied a
cootie copy
of all the Democrats certainly
in on
Capitol Hill telling us the
American
people's that you should very
Fred be
very proud of his up but his
reasons hi
everybody and I'm here to give
by the
way this is how he talks to
young people
hi everybody this is what he
thinks is
hip so it's like hi everybody hi
everybody and I'm here to give
a warning
for all Americans
millions of people have been
downloading
facia it seems like fun it
applies a
little AI to a selfie to make
your face
look older younger add a beard
whatever
what seems like a new social
media fed
however may actually not be
benign at
all recently it came to light
that the
parent company the app wireless
labs is
based in st. Petersburg just as
worrisome it came to light that
the app
not only takes your picture but
retains
the right to keep your photos
or even
your search history it allows
quote
perpetual irrevocable and
worldwide
license to your photos name or
likeness
so this is a breathtaking and
possibly
dangerous level of access and
it raises
substantial privacy concerns
the risk
that your facial data could
also fall
into the hands of something
like Russian
intelligence or the Russian
military
apparatus is disturbing I'm
flabbergasted by this for a
number of
reasons one he could have been
reading
the terms and services of
Instagram
Facebook or any other social
network
they all have that irrevocable
worldwide
license in Perpetua in
perpetuity to use
your name likeness they all
have that
they can all do that and then
because
the company is headquartered in
state
you didn't even say Russia at
the
beginning saint-petersburg oh
now we
have to be worried about your
face it
data falling into the hands of
the
Russians
shut up Schumer what a
nincompoop the
real issue is that app is
tracking your
ass all over the place it's got
us
trackers in it actually I got
so pissed
off when I heard this clip I
went to
find I did I went I'm like who
who are
these data brokers we've talked
about
this a lot the data brokers the
data
brokers do you have any idea
who that
data brokers are well other
credit card
companies our credit companies
that
Viking guys are there's a lot
of them
actually the number one
aggregator of
data broker content and data is
Oracle
yeah and there you go and you
know why
they had a couple they had ad
tech all
in 2014 they were buying up
little ad
tech companies but then they
made a
whopper they acquired axiom ACX
io m
you've never heard of axiom
you're not
supposed to hear of axiom but
they have
and it's a very old company
they've been
around since the early 60s and
they are
the original Mac Daddy of
collecting
your purchase history they have
an
entire network of getting
offline
information they sell this back
to
Google I'm sure Google has its
own
competencies and everyone's
building
their own databases and
profiles on you
but they use the right term
spicey a
yeah in fact yes it is a dossier
nine of the top ten automotive
companies
use them 8 out of 10 financial
companies
the credit card companies the
pharmaceutical companies these
are the
people who have the dossier on
you and
they can take all your
disparate data
source for a long time very
valuable
company they were purchased by
Oracle
for almost 3 billion dollars
and this is
all being stored in Oracle
databases you
know
use Oracle databases yeah the
government
in fact in 2001 Acxiom pitched
the
Department of Justice to start
scouring
the internet and websites and
people's
profiles I mean the dossier for
keywords
now the government rejected
them at
least according to this letter
but they
the government was also spoke
very
highly of their capabilities
and was
finding oh there was some
conflict of
interest you know the thing
you're
overlooking and you shouldn't
mention it
you know you just know how
accurate
these dossiers are about you
and you can
attest to that as you usually
get pulled
over every time you'd left the
country
no you know and once you're in
the
dossier it's hard to get
something out
of the dossier if there's bad
data in
there they used to allow you to
look at
what they have in your in their
dossier
on you they've closed that down
although
they do say that beginning 2020
they're
bringing back a new customer
portal they
also bought something called
the I think
was live was at livewire I
gotta find
this they bought some other
company and
you can opt out of that
opt-outs yes
here it is that company would
live ramp
there you go live ramp and so
that's how
they get a lot of their data
from the
web which you apparently can
opt-out of
what I thought would be
interesting is
to listen to their marketing
pitch they
have a you know a marketing
video and
it's it's gobbledygook
marketing poop
but it's interesting because
from my
research over the weekend into
these
guys it's real what they can do
they
really have the goods on all of
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axiom that's a two minute video
explaining how they're spying
on you
what I find kind of sad is if
they get
something wrong some data is
incorrect
somehow or you made a choice
that was
different this is the this is
what
everyone pulls that pulls our
information from this is where
they get
it from and you know throwback
to our
call back to our algo and
machine
learning example this company
could
screw up your life you might
not even
know it absolutely
these are the guys and so and
the thing
is they're the thing and the
government
itself will be more and more
reliant on
these databases yet for one
good reason
their FOIA proof ooh yes no
freedom of I
want to do a dossier they can
let you
these guys do a dusty and they
use it
and you can purchase it legally
it's
that simple and it's just so I
don't
have to invoke his name I think
the only
people actually read the User
Agreement
lawmakers in Washington
journalist that
are writing about it today but
I just a
quick quick point to make when
you sign
up for this app it asked to
enable your
entire photo album and so
that's the big
question why do they need
permanent
access before these app yeah
everybody
does it so how can sighs so how
could
you really are they
I have news for you unless you
live like
the Unabomber in a cabin in the
woods by
now yeah who's been talking to
steady
Hitler yeah I usually say
professor Ted
would be proud but now I mean
okay so
they calmed the Unabomber like
you're
crazy
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there's not a big list people
although
we do have a lot at $50 donors
which was
the theme donation for this
show 50
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Blake Farrell in Arlington
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mike hit
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ago I've
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ever since
no more so it needs a D
douching as well
I have to do these you've got
karma we
need to cause I think we get so
many F
cancers I think the shill has
to code
them on the spreadsheet so we
don't
overlook them no usually catch
him I
don't think we've missed too
many Maxine
widened there's enough codes on
here
Maxine Waters gravel 50/50
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this gravel gravel is I don't
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but the gravel at dunkey a-- in
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the end there so the gravel is
multilingual could be alright
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Greensboro North Carolina the
following
people will be $50 donors
either if
normal $50 donors are
celebrating the
50th anniversary of the moon
launch the
moon shot Andrew gusik in
Greenville
North Carolina Robert case in
Mill
Spring North Carolina
Thomas tallit in Shawnee
Oklahoma is a
birthday coming up for his his
boy
Daniel Lee boy and Bath
Michigan John
Knowles
John Luke Oh Matthew Hawkins
and Mabel
Mill Arkansas Dennis Stark Oh
sir Josh
Mandel in Greenville South
Carolina
Jeffrey
Radwin jeremy oh yes jeremy
Redwyne Carl
reset the eyeball Carl
hamburger it's
funny because I think if laces
I know
from like a clip you know and
you say
well it says this and I can
clearly see
what it's then I know your
eyeball needs
resetting but I need to get be
able to
get your cue to say eyeball
reset
because it's not it'll be in
the book
but the this is not discussed
by the
your ophthalmologist this
eyeball
situation but I was talking to
over my I
have two neighbors that live
next door
to me two neurologists and I
expand they
had a friend who had a cataract
operation then something he
committed
suicide some because he was
seeing
things or something like that I
said you
know is I said you get this
crazy it's
not like it's not like LSD level
hallucinations but you get
these just
just semi hallucinations worthy
and my
explanation is as follows and
the two
neurologists agreed with the
theory and
it is that when you're you got a
cataract and you're living with
this
cataract for sometimes years
and years
and years to the point where
it's just
kind of a blurry eye and but
you still
have the two eyeballs working
and so the
one eyeball is doing a lot of
interpolation I'm gonna use
that word me
me call me out on it
interpolation which it means
this dream
is making images that aren't
there
because your brain read your
eyeball
read this to see as much as
your brain
makes it see you know but it
puts the
love these images together and
that's
how I we see the old tube the
old TV
tube was you never there was no
image on
it take a photo of one and it
was just a
stripe of something and your
eyeball put
it together yeah interlaced
yeah we was
not only interlaced but it was
really
there's not a lot of info at
any one
time what was the word you used
again
interpolation what
Interpol yeah interpolate
interpret
interpolate mm-hmm now that's
why by the
way and people should note this
this is
one of our turning into a
segment I like
it dogs dogs could never see the
television when you had an old
screens
the old screens the old of
tubes the
dark wood dogs and cats
couldn't see
that but they can see it LCD
TVs that's
where there's dogs watch TV now
if they
see another dog they'll bark at
it the
do all these things they never
used to
do because there was no full
image up
there that just took up just
stood on
there like a picture like they
are today
so it's a different phenomenon
well your
eyeball used to use to dream
and stuff
up so when you get your
cataract removed
and put a clear beautiful lens
in there
sees everything it's it's
thinking well
maybe there's more to it and so
it
starts the dream stuff up while
your
brain yeah so you see stuff
sometimes
that is a that isn't there or
you're you
interpret something wrong I was
watching
a tennis match with Serena
Williams and
it for one split second she had
three
arms she doesn't have three
arms and I
realized it was just I caught
an image
of something in the background
I my
eyeball decided it's kind of
you know it
was good it was working so hard
with the
cataract I said let's do so
have some
fun and so it put the three
arms on the
woman and so I said this is not
right it
didn't last that long but if
you you
could be unnerved by this
that's perhaps
the most insane a sentence
you've just
you've ever spoken what well
I'll play
it back to you after the I mean
you were
like I can't believe it the
woman had
three arms and then I did my
I've just
like wow
this is that was that was very
druggie
of you ladies and gentlemen
John C
Dvorak where the C stands for
Columbo oh
where were we
for a Josh Mandel in Greenville
South
Carolina Jeremy Redwyne and uh
in J and
K obviously Carl hamburger in
fifty
these are all $50 donors many
there's
not that many cuz
running out Erik Faris John
Helmer in
Shawnee Kansas Ralf Massaro
George wood
sir I believe in Universal City
Texas
and that's it boom this was a
very short
list nobody wanted to celebrate
the 50th
anniversary of the moonshot and
per week
surprise surprise thank you
anonymous
and the other executive
producers yes
surprise surprise the irony of
all this
is that you actually because
you've you
know less people participated
in sending
us some value the irony is kind
of that
you get more show somehow you
do get
more show the story about three
arms
Serena yeah well maybe people
couldn't
have straighten that out for the
Thursday show but thank you
very much
everybody who did come in and
help
produced episode 1157 that's
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their relationships because you
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people
you probably would never ever
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it's a very diverse group and
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because their amygdalas are
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we still
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says august 2nd through 4th
that seems
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I would
like to make a comment Jeff I
was
offered that flight from the
Orange
County meetup back to which is
coming up
back to the Bay Area by our
Baron mark
Tanner mm-hmm and I have to
mention the
people and I've mentioned this
to Nadia
who's gonna be there just
meetups on
Saturday there's no way I can
do show
prep and then get back and do a
show on
Sunday if the meetups on
Saturday if
you're gonna do me up that you
want me
to attend even though I'm gonna
attend
and then he said maybe one or
two I will
do this southern the Silicon
Valley one
shortly and which hasn't been
set up it
has to be on Thursday or Friday
nights
otherwise it's just not
possible to do
the meet up and do the show
yeah really
if you want to separate unless
you do so
more is more important now
where would
this meet it meet up be there's
gotta be
in Orange County somewhere you
can't
just stay there and that and do
your
take your mobile rig and do it
from
there
no I all day saturday doing
clips I got
I got I could do the news there
on
Friday but then there's clip
day I got
to do all my clips and they got
to
produce the clips it's not
possible it's
not even close to being
possible yeah
that in the John and I have a
little
different schedule I'm different
timezones helped a lot I am
prepping
throughout the we both are
prepping
throughout the entire week and
I pretty
much have a have a puzzle that
I get up
a Thursday in SATA and Sunday
mornings
at 5 o'clock 5:30 5 to be exact
for some
reason and and then I start
assembling
everything so I that's when I
record the
clips
that's when I put packages
together with
the the outline the show notes
and so
that takes me you know up until
11 a.m.
when we start the show and I'm
usually
working right up until that
deadline
when I'm in Europe I can get
almost
everything done on on Sunday
and I can
start a little bit later I can
get I
start at 10:00 a.m. and then I
have
until 5:00 in the afternoon
before we
start the show on it you know
it's basic
basically they're 12-hour days
for me
outside of the producing but
John's
schedule which has been for a
while now
is you know he does all of that
production work Saturday sends
me his
clips
I guess they come in here
around 1:00 in
the morning 2:00 in the morning
Sunday
when you go to bed you get a
bit around
midnight I think typically yes
right and
I wake up I like the idea of
having
everything done and then not
having to
do a bunch of hurried up clips
in the
morning which I used to do I
used to get
up earlier because then you know
sometimes I want to produce a
clip I'm
gonna spend it I would spend
more than
five seconds doing the clips I
want to
edit it I want to do something
to make
it sound you know with some
extra oomph
and every once in a while and I
can't do
that in the morning and I'm
also like it
gets me up too early and I'm
groggy and
I also like to look at the
current news
because I got busted a couple
of times
for breaking stories that took
place
that morning I didn't know it
was like
and I will occasionally send in
a late
clip but it's written for
context we
probably play between 35 and 40
clips on
every single show we have 50 or
more
every single show go make 50
clips come
back and tell me what that was
worth
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night and our brand new Dame
and thank
you for your courage and thank
you for
supporting the show we can't do
without
you and it is incredibly highly
appreciated you get the rundown
the
thing that's still kind of
happening
boiling is this ship ship
seizures
they've been going on in the
Persian
Gulf
I'm glad you tracked because
you know I
was listening to the BBC and
they were
kind of pooh-poohing it a
little bit
they didn't seem like all
freaked out
and warm it was none of these
these are
too out of control but let's
play the
background here which is ship a
seizure
by raft she's the worst
tensions in the Persian Gulf
have
escalated sharply today with
reports of
Iran ceasing to oil tankers
Britain says
one was British flagged the
other was a
Liberian flag ship operated by
a British
concern the vessels were
stopped in the
Strait of Hormuz and diverted
to Iranian
waters Tehran confirmed the
first
seizure but denied the second
earlier
Iranian officials also denied
that the
u.s. warship boxer destroyed an
Iranian
wrong yesterday they deny the
drone just
thing and they had this guy on
PBS
newshour this jarv ad serif'
who's the
UN ambassador from Iran mm-hmm
and they
did had a little discussion
with him at
there's some information
there's a long
clip but there's information in
here I
think that's valuable I think
we should
play it
Minister Zarif thank you very
much for
talking with us good to do
again let's
start with the downing
yesterday by the
United States of the Iranian
drone in
the Strait of Hormuz President
Trump
says that this was just the
latest in a
series of provocative and
hostile acts
by Iran is that how you see it
well
first of all to the best of our
information we didn't lose any
drones
yesterday so it doesn't look
like that
they shot one of our drones
maybe they shot one of their
drones the
reports that they thought
probably
somebody else's drums but
provocative it
even if it were our drone we
are in our
own neighborhood the US naval
vessel is
about six thousand miles away
from its
shores so I would ask you
what's wrong
with you man
don't you know who we are heart
being
provocative the Trump
administration
official line is that the u.s.
is not
looking for war with Iran do
you believe
that no we didn't come to the
Gulf of
Mexico they came to the Persian
Gulf now
they have to watch that they
should not
undermine our sovereignty our
territorial integrity or our
security
and then we won't have a war
you've been
saying this week mr. minister
that if
the
us that if that Iran may be
prepared to
change the course of your
uranium
enrichment no we're not we're
not we
have an agreement that we
negotiated
with the United States it
doesn't matter
which government of the United
States
because the outside world
considers the
government sitting in Washington
representing there as
representing the
United States there is a
provision in
the current agreement that is
in 2023
we're supposed to ratify the
Additional
Protocol which requires us to
put all
our facilities under UN
inspections for
life that would be permanent
and it
would also require the United
States to
lift its sanctions by Congress
permanently that is a provision
that we
already negotiated he wants to
do better
he can implement that provision
right
now and rest assured that Iran
will
never produce nuclear weapons
if that is
his objective he can do it now
2023 we
are prepared to to bring that
forward we
need to go to our Parliament our
Parliament needs to ratify it
we could
bring it forward so that
President ROM
could make history by making
sure that
the relations between the two
countries
would change forever Wow let's
do it
yeah I didn't know that that
sounds that
sounds spot-on I mean that's
first of
all the Iran nuclear deal was
never
ratified by the by Congress
Ryan by
sanity and it is like it was a
piece of
paper promise from Obama it
wasn't much
more than that so but but if
this guy is
saying hey will in perpetuity
you know
have everything open you can
check it
won't build nuclear weapons
lift the
sanctions sounds like a great
idea I
mean it's like this is what an
olive
branch is move it forward from
23 to 20
but the problem is Saudi Arabia
and I
think Trump has put too many
marbles
over there including that
troops now
going over
- standby cuz that's what this
is all
about it's the Saudis and the
Iranians
they hate each other - you know
at a
fundamental level
yeah well fundamental
fundamental the
religions are disparate well I
call that
fundamental yeah fundamental
from the
middle yes
damned well maybe maybe he's
holding us
on the I mean he has the
president has
said consistently he hey we
want to talk
we want to talk to him yeah
he's one of
the few that Dex you will go
talk to
people he stepped in North Korea
well this to me isn't almost a
no-brainer except again what do
we do
with Saudi Arabia lets you and
I think
this through because the part
of Saudi
Arabia doesn't want to want a
Ron to be
a nuclear power they also don't
want
them in the oil market I think
they can
both be in the oil market but
maybe it's
just the oil but they're not
the big
players I mean Saudi Arabia
still is the
big plug the big dog all right
I thought
we were the big dog now well
yes as
we're pumping like crazy but I
think in
terms of but your reserves
usually count
include the shale and all the
rest of
the stuff I don't think we have
there
just the raw oil as much as
Saudi Arabia
I had to look into it I don't
know for
sure now that's a great clip
I'm keeping
that on standby because the guy
is very
clear you saying it right there
hey we
can fix this right now you want
to be
here oh let's be a hero and by
the way
I'm pretty sure that Trump gave
operational control of that
reading to
the Brits right he said hey you
guys
take care that you guard that
we're
not--we're no longer
operationally
controlling anything in that
area if I'm
not missing possible I think he
gave
that he said okay Brits it by
the way we
have no real dog in the hunt
other than
protecting the damn Saudis for
some
reason no even after we know
that all
the 9/11 hijackers pretty much
came from
Saudi Arabia so on for some
reason we're
still protecting there's a
reason we
just don't know exactly what it
is now
was a shooting in Tokyo can I
just stay
with with that for one second
because I
can jerk right into the 9/11
Victims
Compensation Fund with a
follow-up to my
to what we talked about on the
last show
also this is very much right
yeah this
is the Jon Stewart yes the Jon
Stewart
the debate yes he consistently
is called
it the first responders fund
when it
hasn't it is the Victims
Compensation
Fund it's for much more than
first
responders as we're about to
learn this
is very much a third rail like
talking
about if you talk about Jeffrey
Epstein
and how possibly there's an
agency it
may be Mossad you know we
didn't really
even say it but the you know
we're
anti-semites Jew haters you
know you
talk about 9/11 your asshole
although
many people yeah I think Carly
pretty
plus more on Twitter as she got
what I
was trying to say and said hey
you know
there's so many disasters that
take
place you know Katrina or the BP
disaster you know where does the
compensation and for those
people well
much quicker much shorter
notices and so
why why is this fun not only
been in
place according to I got some
numbers
here follow-up numbers
according to the
Los Angeles Times the fund has
already
paid out thirty eight billion
dollars to
9/11 victims someone else
reminded me
that back in the day this was
also
quietly called the airline
bailout fund
the reason for that is if you
took money
from the victim's compensation
fund you
signed away your right to sue
the
airlines or participate in any
action
suit against and the airlines
not
everyone took the the Victim
Compensation Fund money and did
sue the
airlines they've been billions
has been
paid out but the fear was
amongst other
things that you needed to have
this fund
in place otherwise the airlines
would
have been bankrupted and and
they might
not have ever gotten out of
that hole
which would have been another
issue four I guess our national
security
and our transportation security
etc hate
all you want on me I'm just
trying to
give you some facts with two
short
pieces of testimony that are
pertinent
to this fund and where the all
you've
probably heard on the news is
that
asshole Rand Paul just want to
get mind
about the fog a little more
behind it
let's find out first about the
program
okay there are three changes as
this is
about to be re-upped and these
changes
are extremely important and I
think the
reason why some people are
questioning
to what end
there have been I think four
major
changes for I'm sorry
in the VFC over the last few
years from
what Congress saw when it last
we
authorized this bill in 2015 and
allocated the seven point three
seven
five billion dollars the first
is that
the total number of claims that
have
been filed has increased
significantly
in the first five years of the
fund from
2011 to 2016 we had just over
nineteen
thousand compensation forms
filed in the
last two and a half years we've
received
twenty eight thousand more and
the
reasons for those I think are
three the
first is that there is a
significant
increase in the number of
claims being
filed on behalf of victims who
have died
as a result of their 9/11
related
conditions as we get further
away from
the attacks but as the
seriousness of
the illnesses become more
apparent we
see more and more of these
claims at the
end of 2015 we had just six
hundred
deceased claims we now have
well over
two thousand of them the second
thing is
that the number of claimants
with cancer
conditions continues to
increase we have
found over eighty eight hundred
claimants eligible because of a
cancer
condition and we have made over
seven
thousand five hundred awards
due to
cancers
in 2015 we have seen only have
action of that number and the
third is
that we are seeing a substantial
increase in claims filed by the
survivor
community those who lived
worked or went
to school in the area in the
first five
years of the program survivor
claims
were just 14% of the awards
that were
made now they account for
almost 40% of
the claims that are being filed
and we
think that's due to two things
the first
are the increase in cancer
rates and the
second is that the VFC suffered
from a
significant information gap in
the early
years of the program many many
people in
the New York area were under the
assumption that the program was
only for
first responders and as we have
been
able to do more outreach as the
World
Trade Center Health Program has
been
able to do more outreach partly
because
of the reauthorization of the
bill in
2015 we have been able to reach
more
people who are sick more people
who are
dying and those claims are now
coming in
so there's some new information
in there
that I was not aware of that
cancers are
if you got cancer and I guess
you can
then prove it was from 911 but
let's not
sue silverstein or anybody who
had
asbestos in the buildings you
know let's
forget about the give it from
the
American people I think that's
what the
Los Angeles Times is trying to
say is
that even though the initial
budget was
seven point six billion they've
promised
all this money to people and
it's
totaling up to 38 I think it's
higher
than that billion dollars the
the the
way that they calculate a lot
of these
it's also it's I guess it's
fair but is
it really calculate these
payments so if
you were a fireman and you died
on 9/11
you were making thirty five
thousand
maybe forty thousand dollars a
year they
will calculate what you mitt
would have
made at that same level over
your
lifetime adjusted for inflation
and
that's your that's the payment
to your
widow your descendants if you
were a
hedge fund manager you already
understand what happens some of
those
people some widows and orphans
received
a seven eight million dollars
or a life but because that life
apparently was making more
money it's
worth more than another life
that went
in on almost slave wages to go
and save
people so by itself that I can
understand where there's anger
from Jon
Stewart but it may be a middle
Oh
misdirected and they think it's
unfair
of him to focus it only on the
first
responders so the second clip
short one
here is how many do they expect
to enter
the program because it is now
open-ended
as it stands that's why Rand
Paul is
saying hold on a second how are
we going
to pay for this because it
specifically
states in the bill this does
not fall
under the pay and go system and
the
pay-go system says if you are
going to
pay something out you have to
show where
the money is going to come from
right
away that pretty much means you
can have
to scrap something else and
that is
excluded from this by law in the
language of the law so how big
can I get
how many more people do you
think would
be at risk of developing 911
related
illnesses including cancers in
the next
25 to 50 years and is it
possible to
know the exact number of people
who
develop illnesses at this point
in time
it's not possible to know the
exact
number but based on the rates
that are
increasing there are going to
be 10 to
20,000 more cancers I would
estimate
into 20,000 more cancers yes
most other
diseases plus other diseases
and look as
we heard about sarcoidosis
which is a
fairly rare disease but is
common in
World Trade Center exposed
individuals
we're going to see folks who
have lung
diseases that may require lung
transplants there have already
been a
number of individuals in the
World Trade
Center health programs that have
required lung transplants due to
scarring of the lungs from the
glass and
the concrete and everything
else that
caused a reaction in their
lungs so
there's an order of magnitude
you said
what about 3040 thousand maybe
you know
what it's hard to predict but
based on
the rates and the number of
folks that
were exposed it that numbers is
accurate
there you go you're paying for
it
seem so seem so I find it to be
yet I
didn't know it was so broad
well I
didn't know that anyone who can
get you
on Stuart gets cancer 20 years
later can
still claim that it's 911
related I
don't know
cancer rates are on the rise is
all I've
heard across the across America
across
the world so we'll pay for it
with that
somehow no health care changes
could
make a difference in that
regard that I
think that may be taken into
account so
there's two clips they have
left to have
the final clip well they do
have this
mass shooting clip that's
another
example of a Democracy Now
Playing a
story nobody else plays or at
least an
element of a story nobody else
plays but
then again they don't go into
it so I
have no idea what the hell's
going on in
guys no mass shooting in Kyoto
Japan 33
people were killed Thursday
after a man
burst into an animation studio
doused
the three-story building with a
flammable liquid and set it on
fire
police arrested a 41 year old
man after
the arson attack on the Kyoto
Animation
company witnesses reportedly
heard the
suspect shout they stole my
ideas and
they copied my novel as police
arrested
him if convicted the man could
face the
death penalty
well that's the first I'm
hearing of
that yeah I didn't know that he
was
claiming copyright yeah nobody
else
reported that they just
reported that
some maniac oh it's good gun
control Wow
huh yeah but now there's no
details
what's the details something
somebody
must talk to this guy what did
he what
specifically did they steal
I don't know there's no
reporting there
it's well I guess it's kind of
worth it
would have been knows nice to
know I
guess I'm just maybe
somebody'll come up
with something somewhere
somehow so you
have any more clips cuz I do
have one
finishing clip I think we're up
to show
nicely I'm ready to rap if you
are sir
so this is Walter Cronkite in
1969 it's
kind of an inspiration at least
to me
this is an inspirational
commentary cuz
we didn't talk about the moon
shot today
because it's not really
something we've
talked about it before and it
was a
celebration you know everyone
made a big
deal so I found this one clip
that I
thought was you know it was it
addresses
concerns it's got an element of
futility
that I think applies to you in
particular and I just found it
very
inspirational because this is a
1969
this is Walter Cronkite talking
about
the the late takeoff of the
moon shot
the Saturn 5 rocket reporting
now from
CBS News Apollo headquarters at
Kennedy
Space Center correspondent
Walter
Cronkite they resumed the
countdown on
schedule two minutes after the
hour
which puts them three hours at
that time
and 30 minutes 3 hours and 30
minutes
from launch time 9:30 2 a.m.
ever since they first rolled
this is a
Saturn 5 out of the Vehicle
Assembly
Building right by us here at
the press
site three miles from the
launch pad put
on that big launcher to take it
out to
the pad things have gone
exceedingly
well but with the flight of
Apollo 11
now there have been only one or
two
small glitches oh thank you it
was the
adrenaline shot I needed to
come back
and do it all over again on
Thursday
1969 the first glitch bullcrap
statement
by Walter Cronkite thank you
very much
nailed it
it's just a glitch who cares
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