April 11th, 2021 • 1h 49m
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Adam: Adam Curry Jhansi devora Sunday April 11 2021 this is your award winning gitmo-nation Media assassination Episode 1337 This is no agenda feelin
broadcasting almost live from opportunity zone 33 here in the frontier of Austin, Texas Capitol, the drone Star State in the morning, everybody. I'm
Adam Curry
John: and from Northern Silicon Valley where we're live to tape. Live to tape. I'm Jesse devorah
Adam: buzzkill. Live, we're doing live.
John: Happy leet
Adam: I believe man, big, big number. Big number three, seven
John: a big number for the show.
Adam: This is the one that everyone wants to be an executive producer of and I think you will be very happy with that because we have a special while
john and i are still resting up and preparing for COVID 2021. Because, cuz, you know,
John: you know that's coming. You want to let up on it.
Adam: This is unbelievable. So we're still on our break. And as we were getting ready to record this we were looking for the name of the executive
producer who did this because he also did John's stories and that aired now is this the last time we took off? I think so. No one was so that was
Episode 12 on December 22 2019 so we've been going nonstop for over two years.
John: No no, that's 2019 2018
Adam: okay 2019 to go all the way for 20 so December All right. Okay, there you go. So yeah, guess what you kind of 15 months Yeah, right but about 15
months Okay, that was right. Well, good. We deserve this time off. Are you enjoying yourself on your time off?
John: Oh, yeah, I'm having the time of my life to do clips
Adam: you are sitting at home by yourself on the on the interface just hanging out in the chaise in the chaise shade now it's been quite a while since
I've heard this but we had john stories, whichever we
John: give credit to our
Adam: Sir, sir. Good waffle. So Rubin walk. Yes,
John: sir. Yes, he shows.
Adam: I wanted to be syrup and waffles. That's why it's syrup and was
John: waffles. Okay, that could be
Adam: syrup, syrup and waffle. Yes, exactly.
John: So he did these two shows together. So these are the same era of anecdotes, we of course, we didn't tell as many stories during 2020, because it
was a year of the COVID.
Adam: We were listening to the biggest tale ever told.
John: And so yes, we don't need to do our own material. And so this is the this is your collection of stories. And that we're going to delve into and
just non stop, I guess we'll take one break in the middle. And then we were good to go.
Adam: All right, here we go my legacy in the first half the first hour. Bear with me on this because this is this is should have been thinking about a
lot over the past couple days. So I truly believe that in the not too distant future, maybe five years, let's just make it easy on ourselves. In in
five years, there will be enough ubiquitous bandwidth around and, and streaming capabilities that essentially will just have digital radios. I mean,
it's it's what d a b already is. But it'll be two way. And so you'll be able to stream certainly you'll be you can do that today over you know over
your your mobile phone. The price may vary depending on your plan and where you live and all that shit. But bar the subways. You know, you can
probably I've done I chats with Pete with with Kj with Chris Jacob on while he was on the train, you know, coming down from from upstate New York, you
know, so we can we can get a stream out there. What if we had a stream that is essentially 24 hours a day, and we just keep adding to it? Right? So if
you drop in, you'll hear the conversation that eventually you'll get up to a point that you've already heard and then you're up to date. And when you
check in again.
John: I think this is a good idea, by the way said that there's there's a complication here, which is for example, we'll go back to the by and large
rant. Yeah, we have to make this work, right. We'd have to actually document what we're talking about in some logical way.
Adam: indexed sounds like
John: you have it. There you go. Sounds like work.
Adam: Oh, clearly. That's a non starter. So we have to think this through a little bit more about the audience. I mean, can we get your guy's Bubba,
like that involve going
John: on now. But I don't know about Bubba, but he's just seems to be like at his wit's end already. But I'm thinking this,
Adam: by the way, I'm not I'm not trying to poach your guys. Gianna. I'm just saying,
John: I'll probably do it. But actually, there's another guy that probably would do it for sure. But I don't want them doing it? I think because what
you brought up was the fact that we like to package stuff because we're getting old and the kids they like to do all this stuff themselves is to get a
team of volunteer kids. Yeah. You know, by our standards, kids, anyone.
Adam: Have them have them mashup shows.
John: Exactly. I think it'd be more than a few volunteers for that.
Adam: That reminds me, when I, when I entered the Dutch schooling system, I was going to the International School of Amsterdam for three years after
we move that move that when I was seven, and just to give you the full context of the story, we had a week off from the iisa International School of
Amsterdam. And my parents sat me my sister's down Sunday evening, guess what you guys are going to do tomorrow? We're like, well, what are we going to
do? You're going to Dutch school. Like what? And I actually really, really spoke just a few words of Dutch. So enter Dutch school, fifth grade, and
within I think, like two or three months into this into the, into the school year, the teacher, he says, oh, here's a question that our Americans did
not this is a time when Americans were not very loved in in Europe, Texas Instruments was coming over and I walk on the street, they know who I was,
and the kids were like, you crazy Mexican, she'd go fuck yourself. I mean, that's what I would get as a fifth grader. And then the teacher says,
Alright, here's one. How many. How many states does the United States of America have in my hand goes up? Of course. It's 50 states and now. It's 52.
You forgot Alaska and Hawaii? I said, No, he was 48. And then we watch No, no. Can you don't even know this? And he said he just was braiding me. And
I was, you know, I was already messed up. And then I remember calling the American Embassy and recording it on, you know, one of those little cassette
recorders taking it into school. And even that was a well, she was referencing an old an old Encyclopedia Britannica. I could not get them to just
admit that he was wrong.
John: Anyway, your next story.
Adam: Okay. Thanks. Now, this is like a music business story. Do you know who Seymour Stein is?
John: The name rings
Adam: a bell but no. Okay. Seymour Stein is the guy who first he legend in the music business started Sire Records and Sire Records, you know, as many
famous artists. But Seymour Stein is really known for Madonna. He really took Madonna into mainstream to the first big album whether and he was her.
Sire was her record label in the in the very beginning of our career. And Seymour Stein is really I've hung out, hung out with him, you know, back in
the, I don't know, like mid 80s in London. And just one of these really weird guys. Typical music industry guys like he had a fish tank in his office
with 100 pound a 50 was no 50 pound notes at the bottom of this aquarium and they were Parana. Swimming in the aquarium is like you're welcome to go
you know grab the 50 pound note if you don't mind your hand getting eaten by a Parana This is really one of these guys, right? Hilarious. And, and his
ex wife, Linda Stein was also a legend in the music business. She was a manager, famously of the Ramones and she was the most abrasive woman you can
imagine if she would, she just you know would she would yell she would scream at people. She told Joey Ramone Shut the fuck up. You know? When they
were touring in England, he was complaining about everything. He didn't like the food and and she just said then get the fuck back to America, you
fucking these legendary. And it's funny because as far as I know, Seymour Stein was gay If not, at least by but you know, it was really weird. These
two and of course, they did break up eventually. So she was ex for a reason. So legendary woman legend fact. As she had cancer and she had been
operated on cancer and she's This is a no just one of those famous stories about her. So take it with a grain of salt. Four hours after the operation,
she was already on the phone yelling at someone who fucked something up. Yeah, just just crazy. They found her bludgeoned to death in her apartment
yesterday in New York on Fifth Avenue. Oh, really?
John: Yeah. As well as in in the news out here.
Adam: Well, well, there you go. But it's just it's one of those you watch. The stories will come out I'm sure because, you know, lots of artists dealt
with her. So I'm sure people are going to be talking about this. You watch. It's going to be an interesting story. I'm I'm
John: sure that it'll, yeah, it sounds like something that's gonna develop. That's interesting. And you know who
Adam: I mean? She is like, you know who, who really were her enemies who would have wanted to do this or the answer is fucking everybody. Everybody
could have gone off on this woman at any time and bludgeoned to death. Of course, you know, she's kind of been out of the business for many years. So
for this to happen now, it's just crazy.
John: Late 70s, mid 80s, something like that
Adam: because I remember doc McGee who was he's now manager for Gene Simmons, which is kind of sad. He's on that family jewels reality show but he at
the time was one of the biggest managers in rock'n'roll. He was managing Motley Crue and Bon Jovi and maybe even Ozzy Osborne, and he got caught
smuggling 5000 pounds of marijuana into Florida on his Learjet, which is like, I don't know what type Lear jet it was, but that must have been heavy.
And so he didn't go to jail. But instead the judge said, Well, I'll let you go. But as a part of your, your, your get out of jail free ticket, you
have to do a number of anti drug anti alcohol concerts.
John: That's how you're gonna say he has to do reality TV.
Adam: Well, now this this is 1988. And that's how I wound up in Russia actually, because they had the Moscow music peace Festival, which he organized
and this is before the wall came down. And so we went on a plane from Newark, New Jersey with those like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue Ozzy Osborne, we
stopped in Germany to pick up the scorpions. And then we did this shows like 10 days at Lenin Stadium in Moscow. But the funniest thing was this plane
which was a chartered plane, like a like it was like a DC something like a cigar to really long and very uncomfortable, particularly for that flight.
Everyone was hammered. She's like I said, this was the anti drug, anti alcohol, Ozzy Osborne, I will not I will never rid myself of him standing in
the aisle because the laboratory was occupied. And he's going Sharon, Sharon is someone new. And Sharon, by the way was this fat little pudgy English
chick with bad complexion. And, and Ozzy couldn't get in the bathroom and he peed himself right there right in the aisle. You know, like a six year
old a huge stain in the front of his pants. It was just unbelievable. And that was the get out of drug free. ticket that Doc mageba. Again, everyone's
hammered the whole way through. And then Bon Jovi's doctor on the way back was handing out housie and everybody here, it'll help you sleep like oh,
help me sleep. I was messed up for two weeks. I was suicidal. Almost. Two anyway, the point is, end users of drugs are stupid, because the real game
is up at the top there. I will say it is so impressive when you see how the big broadcast personalities I when msnbc launched and they were over in
New Jersey. This was with my previous company, actually was before think it was on ramp. And Microsoft who of course, were one of the partners with
NBC. They they needed a chat to to go along with some of their programming and I can't remember exactly how but actually it was Denise What was her
name? Who was a Microsoft woman? I'm sure you know her Caruso, I want to say does that make sense? Denise Caruso,
John: she was a journalist. Now.
Adam: I'm not sure nice. It was Denise something or other and she was in charge of at the time it was Microsoft comic chat. Remember that? We have
these little avatars, right?
John: It's another thing that failed. Of course, they never stick to these things as a problem. They couldn't
Adam: scale. This was the problem. So they couldn't scale it. And the the team within Microsoft was really worried and they but they wanted some form
of
Unknown: chat.
Adam: And we had a bunch of these hacker boys like with names like rat boy. And I forgot. Alan Louie was one not that that's a cool name. But I just
remembered these guys. And they had basically hacked together a very, very, very basic, very frickin simple CGI script into an IRC, you know, proven
technology, right? Go figure. And so we had this really robust chat based on IRC, which I did this date, obviously still can't figure out. And so they
hired us to implement this. And because of that, we were we were invited to the opening. And you'll recall perhaps that the big interview they had an
opening day was Tom Brokaw. Tom Bradshaw tomorrow, giants ruling President Bill Clinton, and I sat in the control room and I was blown away by the
professionalism of this guy. So he's got his earpiece in and he's talking he's having a conversation and I believe he is listening to what the Then,
you know, President was saying, and so they're having a dialogue, and the producer is continuously talking into his ear and giving them cues. And then
it's like, okay, Tom, we have 30 seconds to commercial, while Brokaw is talking. And, and he's counting down the seconds and broke off, fires off
another question, which he knows is only going to get a quick yes or no answer. And he pulls back away from the president and hits the commercial
break right on the nose. And I still get goosebumps when I think about that that actual sequence, it is unfreakin real, how good these guys are. Well,
so there's there's a couple things I'll say here. Because I have been kind of following the Osmonds over the past couple of weeks, mainly because, you
know, Marie was in Dancing with the Stars. And then and I like that show that she passed out, right. So that that kind of got her into the news. I
know Donnie, in fact, I've raced against him in a celebrity race in Denver. During the I was an indie, an indie event, IndyCar when I was working for
MTV, and you know, and the guy's fucking serious. Yeah, he won the race, by the way, he's, you know, I was impressed. He was, you know, we're all out
partying, and he was walking the track at five in the morning, you know, finding the apex and all the fucking person wanting to win, he really wanted
to win. But I've been following this and the only thing I can say is, you know, for what they had 100 Osmonds on Oprah the other day 100 so you know,
even though they're Marie's dad had just passed away a few days earlier, they still decided to come to Oprah show which is fine, you know, but you
know, what was the point? You know, she was there plugging her dolls, which she sells on I think QVC or the home shopping network which is I think
really her main source of income and I'm sure it does huge business but when you you know you step back into the limelight you know, it's like a
fucking boomerang. I've seen this happen it's happened to me many times you know, it comes back at you and positive energy comes back fucking black
and vice versa. It's just it's just it's it's part of the beast, you know, only it whips a lot faster than it used to. And the turnaround time is
quicker, and the ups and downs are severe. And this is just what happens I think. Here's a trend. Boys in Britain with increasing rate do not want to
French kiss.
John: You're kidding.
Adam: Yeah. And this is I had a whole conversation with my daughter and a couple of her friends that were here in the garden today. And it's
John: Is it because the Brits hate the French that much?
Adam: That was my question too. But now like, we ate his fucking French
John: no more detailing.
Adam: It's called a freedom from freedom kiss now instead of French kissing now, they're just not into it. It's in Believe me. There are a whole bunch
of other stuff because I you know, I did get all the details. But now that they don't like French kissing, it's going out of Vogue. Pun intended.
John: That's interesting. Yeah.
Adam: And so I've told my
John: daughters to Sociology I think behind that. I really
Adam: don't know. You know, the first thing I said is baby, maybe you need a tic tac, you know, she's like, No, No, No dad, and then, you know, her
friend Liz and a couple of these girls say yeah, more and more boys just they don't like it. They just said the boys.
John: The girls don't one way or the other. Not the boys.
Adam: It's the boys who don't want a French kiss. That's kind of trippy isn't it?
John: That's wild. I wonder if that what that trend is developing here.
Adam: I have no idea. I personally I'm a I'm a big fan.
John: With French kissing boys. Yes, but the way you set it up
Adam: was to say I was open goal. That was around the time The Truman Show came out. And and I was we were back in Holland. We just moved back. And I
got a call at like 1130 at night it was john the Mall of Endemol. You know and the mall is no and the mall the big production company. Most Famous for
big brother. Okay, yeah. Okay, worldwide success sold to Telefonica for several billion. He called me Ron Lim 30 says Adam, Adam, Adam, come to my
office. I want to show you something. I'm like, Hi, that's kind of weird. But he was already a pretty big television producer like okay, so I go in he
says, I got a mood tape for you. Okay, I know what a mood tape is. He says it's it's kind of biosphere meets Truman Show. And he showed me this tape
and it was literally they had it. It wasn't mood tapes, it was all stuff cut together and voiceover to make it kind of looked like it was real.
Essentially, it was called golden cage. And the idea was that, you know, we'd lock in 10 people, five men, five women lock them up for a full year.
The new And then whoever would come out as the final person would be the sorry about that would be the winner of like a million euros or whatever.
And, and that about three months later became big brother.
Unknown: And oh, okay.
Adam: Yeah. And I was right there at the very, very start. And it was completely influenced and and I betcha that pieces of real life were in that
mood tape, I'm going to see if I can find it because I have it somewhere. The original Big Brother mood table and later actually, animal went on to
create a golden cage, which is like a really harsh version of Big Brother with no better loving sex and getting drunk and shit on camera meant that he
tried to sell that in the states that wouldn't even take it.
John: Our standards?
Adam: Yeah, boy, we sure do. Please. Some funny happened the other day. And I have to say that I enjoy the show even more than I used to. Because
these are the two moments in my life at this moment to two times in my life, that I hear everything perfectly and in a beautifully processed, nice,
rich sound.
John: Because yes, I thought you can say it's because you can go back into the closet, boys
Adam: Hey, no. So the hearing aids, I've gotten completely figured out I've got them customized configured. And it's fantastic. But, but if you want
to be able to hear things you have to and it's very difficult from it you have to learn to live with depending on the situation you're in, if you're
in a horribly filtered sound, an example would be in, in the shopping mall. There's a good example, we talked about the mall. If you want to be able
to hear what people are saying then you're going to basically only crank up the mids and everything else has to go down turn on the directional mics,
which is one setting By the way, you have to do that all on the fly. And they can hear everybody when
Unknown: they like this.
Adam: And otherwise, it's just too much noise that comes in anyway. So I'm wearing these things I'm doing Wait a minute. Let's stop.
John: Right. Well, I mean, you're just you talking in vagaries? You are in the mall? You've got the hearing aid right now it's in your ear? No.
Adam: Oh, in the mall? Yes. Yeah. In the mall. It's not, not what I'm doing. Now. No, no, no, no, what I'm doing the show the headphone is on 11 which
is why I hear everything perfectly. And it sounds really good. And because there's a noise gate, there's nothing else is being amplified when I'm not
talking. So this is this is the way I wish the world sounded like this to me all the time. And I can go to I can turn on music and I can put it on the
music setting. No sound fantastic ever stopping?
John: What do you mean, you poke yourself in the eye? How do you make the settings change?
Adam: I thought I told you this is so there's six settings pre programmed. And you have a button on each unit. So I'm actually it's an odd thing
John: is a big giant button. I find the button it has to be miniscule. No, no, no.
Adam: So the way the modern hearing aids is not just something stuck in your ear canal, you have the unit is hanging behind your ear, then there's a
copper wire pair that goes into really they call it a receiver but it's really a tiny speaker. And that is in your ear canal. So so the unit contains
the battery, the processing, and you can one button on each one. So if the right ear volume goes up, left, your volume goes down. And either button if
you long press it'll change to a different program and the little lady's voice or go music or Chicago party or urban or universal. You with me?
John: Yeah, and I'm trying to visualize Okay, so you get a little thing in the back of your ear that you can push a button. Yeah. And you push it into
your wait for the lady is because it will have voices come through which is kind of cool. And tells you what setting is all this lid off if there's
Adam: other cool things. For instance, if this doesn't happen with me, but if you thought it wouldn't, if you lose one, then the one that's still in
your ear will go last mate which is an odd message to receive you lose one. Well funny you ask. So we're up here on the 29th floor and I'm taking some
garbage some cardboard box to throw down the chute.
John: You're still using your little thing to stand on. A little thing I stand on used to stand a little thing for a little scooter thing.
Adam: No I'm just walking down the hallways that
John: happened to that thing I gave it away.
Adam: It is a deathtrap they want to die. So I'm walking down the hallway I go to the garbage room. We Have two garbage shoes one for garbage one for
recycling. And so I'm I got this box and it won't fit. And so I'm crushing the box it clips my ear the hearing aid flips off. hits the box I try to
grab it no it goes down 29 floors I couldn't hear it more than five of course and ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping like okay
John: wow that's what I call a freak accident Yeah,
Adam: so I immediately jump in the elevator go down like that you
John: jumped into shoot
Adam: I shot what I like I'm not shooting throw anything after it because you know, even though I might mark where it is, you know, I don't know what
could happen it could have drawn Oh, got caught somewhere it's it has a wire on it. You know, there's a he can get caught in anything. So go
downstairs, run to the underneath the building. I can't find anything. One of the maintenance guys appears and I tell him the stories like are you
sure you put in the right hand one said Yeah. And the recycling you really sure so yeah, okay, good. And we go into where the, these big containers
are where all the trash dumps in from the entire building. And I see what he was saying about the regular garbage because it goes through a mulcher.
And any, if you're throwing something down that that tube, it's gonna get mulched. But and there it is, there's the the recycle container. And you
know, it's up to my chest I'm looking in. It's like, I can't see anything, I can't get in focus anything, the maintenance guy hops in 30 seconds,
picks it up. And it's in the wire, the wire had dislodged from the little speaker. So I'm like, Well, at least I have that part of the unit. And they
said, Oh, and there's this, he picked it right out of the recycling. Wow. And the What happened then? Well, first of all, when this took place, as I
said, when it was going think blink, blink, blink, blink down the chute, my other egos last mate, to understand kind of how I can be useful. And then
when I had it in my hand and he gave it back to me and went mate found.
John: Yeah, I can't imagine if you're a complete idiot, you don't know you lost a mate that would come in very handy.
Adam: Well, I don't know what it's like to be completely deaf, or very, very deaf and that these things are only marginally helping somebody so maybe,
I don't know. You know, when you run out of gas in your car, and I've had this happen, I ran out of gas once in the Lincoln Tunnel. And that by the
way, on a Friday afternoon,
John: never tell you the story. You must have been the bad vibes a digital exists. hanging over your head,
Adam: I tell you the whole story that it's hilarious. So these were the days I had a 1972 and a white night 1982 Rolls Royce silver shadow to which I
bought secondhand, beautiful British racing green, you know, great car, I drove it in New York every single day I drove 80,000 miles I put on that
car. And of course, it's ridiculous. You know, I think I paid 70 grand for it at the time when I had money. Boy, good old days. And so I'm coming out
in New York on a Friday afternoon. You have to understand that in New York. And this is MTV days. Friday afternoons, the Lincoln Tunnel is jammed.
Because of course, the the Jewish population of New York all tries to get out around three o'clock in the afternoon to get home in time for for the
gods of the
John: Hamptons and out of town. Well,
Adam: the Hamptons is not through the Lincoln Tunnel.
John: Right this the other way,
Adam: right. But, but basically all tunnels and bridges are jammed. And so I'm like,
John: Is it going to Yeah, they're going to Jersey. Joyce home? Yeah,
Adam: the Jersey Shore. So and I know there's a gas station on the other side on the jersey side, right. I can make this I can make this Oh, and it
conks out in the Lincoln Tunnel. On a Friday afternoon. I'm wearing my MTV guy, leather jacket, my big Adam Curry hair.
John: Let me tell you the douchebag of the day they rent a story about
Adam: this. They threw stuff at me people were throwing their paper cups, like you a whole MTV douche bag. And then because they literally have to
close off one. One lane and then the truck has to come through to push the car works. Yeah,
Unknown: actually, they come out front for hours and turn around. No. They they push
Adam: me towards the jersey sides. They push me all the way out. But I never again. And that's also when I decided fancy looking cars is not good.
Because you can't when it draws attention to you never got me late either. I'll
Unknown: tell you that.
Adam: I'm just remembering something. So Kleiner Perkins always had smokin hot receptionists
John: they had some beautiful women in the front
Adam: receptionist and I forget the was a young woman forget her name. Did you know we'd also be waiting we have to go there every week and have you
John: always have to wait
Adam: yet the meetings like just oh the board means I'll show up. We're doing a show the damn charts against him, we're spending your money well, and
I would always hang out talking to her. And she was kind of cool. She was snowboarder, whatever, but it's just, he was good looking fun, interesting,
good jokes, and always be hanging out there anyway. And then as Kleiner Perkins had these Christmas parties and stuff, and I got a call from Ray lane
One morning, say I say, Ray, what's gone? Well, there's a complaint for sexual harassment, really. And it was this receptionist, and she had this
whole list of people who had propositioned her and it was clear that what became apparent is that she had a history of doing this accompanies and she
pretty much gone to Kleiner Perkins, and it saw people out and at one point, she had asked me, Hey, you want to go get high? I'm like, Nah, man, I got
a I got a I got a meeting here and No. And but that came back in some complaints that I wanted to smoke illegal drugs with her. And this was a ray
lane, senior partner was reading this to me over the phone say, This is insane, right? What's going on with this? So they were targeted. And, and with
anybody that had like, I guess they had like, as a detective, because I saw the old you know, but this guy showed up before this complaint came in
this guy showed up and he was like, a co receptionist. It was very strange. So they brought him in as the as people were starting to suspect
something. And
John: he was no one's gonna notice that.
Adam: We're there to trap her. And she apparently had done this to other companies.
John: Yeah, so business should really figure out what companies have, you know, as especially a good looking woman, you can get jobs pretty easily.
And that those position
Adam: I was offended, you know, I would never ask someone to go smoking, knowing me
John: know that the girls asked you like what happened in that case?
Adam: I never heard anything else after that. But it's a weird place. It's a weird place. The reason why I'm sensitive about this is because I once
said something in the Netherlands for almost 30 years joking. And I didn't obviously, I didn't make a joke. But what I would, because they sat me
down, you know, I had to apologize. It was a big deal. Well, let's
John: hear this story. This by the way, this show I want to mention to everybody out there who helps us show they contribute to the show, and they
donate to the show. And they they produce the show and all the rest of it. On any given show. I've taught I tell this to people, Adam, or myself would
be fired two or three times. Oh, yeah. In the normal circumstance, but since we work for ourselves, and we produce the show, we have our own
infrastructure, there's nobody can stop us. We do a lot of stuff that is that would get get us fired. But now we have it an example that Adam is going
to give us of him actually almost getting fired over something. Yeah.
Adam: This must have been in 85 or 86. In the Netherlands, I was on the official radio, in the Netherlands. And there was it was a there was I'm
trying to think what it was in relation to But anyway, there was a news item. And in the news item was something about some guys that well, you know,
you see how it had to do with Israel and Palestine or something like that. I don't really ride have to look it up to remember the specifics. Then he
said no all you know, the reason why this gets attention is you know, look at who's running the media in America. And I commented and I said, Well,
you know, he's got a point there. You know, the the names you see on the credit roles in Hollywood often end with Steen. And man, especially the
Netherlands, people lost their crap over there was one one very famous singer. And she said, when he said that, I've just remembered that the Nazis,
jackboots walking down the hallway while I was hiding. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that happened to me. And I was really just, you know, been off
the cuff comment I learned, obviously. And then to see then the, it's, I think it's the was called the CEO. I forget the name that you know, like an
ADL of the Netherlands, by Robbie something or other. I mean, he started making statements in the newspaper and they're calling from I was like, whoa,
hold on. I'll come over, let's sit. Let's talk about I really, please. And the point was to jokes or offhanded remarks, propagate the lies the lies
that the Jews run the banks that Jews run the media etc. So jokes like that propagate the lies even though they're a joke I just don't understand why
they're why the past has given what are we not spoken about?
John: That comic book guy?
Adam: What we're gonna do is gonna give you the backstory on that.
John: Yeah. Anything you said we're going to talk about on the show?
Adam: Well, I got to be careful because if I say it wrong, then he'll get really upset. Who's he? comic strip blogger. Okay, his name is Jay something
or other I don't remember his real name.
John: But he's a fan of yours are what? He latched
Adam: on to the daily source code couple of years ago, and he started in the comments, and he would just write these outrageous things. You know, he
really, as we would say, in Holland, his heart was on his tongue. But you know, and he's he's also coincidentally the guy that started this whole fuck
you Adam Curry business, because that's literally how he talks, you know, and, and, and it was just really interesting to me. And I googled him. And I
found out that, you know, he had worked at Nakia. And I guess he, he had a blog, and he was basically posting on the blog, you know, about shit that
suck within the company. That's dumb, paraphrasing, I'm sure as to what it exactly was. And so he got fired. And some say he got kicked out of
Finland. They get kicked out of Finland, you don't want to cross nucky his path man, they are Finland, and, and out of anger and spite. But maybe also
because he felt there was more future in the platform. He became a huge proponent of Windows Mobile. And he started blogging and podcasting. He go
around to these MVP events, which I believe he's been banned from now. And he was he would ask really straightforward questions actually,
journalistically. Great questions. But his approach, of course, was very brash. And you know, he did be the equivalent of going up to I saw a piece of
video done in the apple UK store with a journalist went up to Phil Schiller and said, so, you know, is this going to be a problem with anti
competitive laws in Europe where you basically have to buy something to get something else you tying the phone to the, to the network, and then
immediately the PR people jump in and Schiller backs off? And you know, that it's that kind of question straight to the point, and good stuff.
Exactly. Good stuff. And it freaks him out. And I think he his appearance and the way he speaks he has his Polish German accent and he's just the
vocabulary. Yeah. So I got really interested in the guy. And, and that, you know, I think Jeff Smith made a jingle for him, you know, and then he
started calling in and, and he knows a lot of shit, particularly about the European Union. And so, you know, he give reports on that. And what
John: would like what what give us some examples.
Adam: An example like a pro.
John: Is he an EU basher?
Adam: No, no, no, he really believes in the EU, but he passed Yeah,
John: many EU basher now he
Adam: points out all of the all of the things that are wrong and that are messed up. And you know, he's another guy that gets stopped, you know, going
into another country, and then he'll record it and you'll say, Why do I have to show passport? Am I not EU citizen? Which of course is a great way not
to get through passport control.
John: Yeah, that works. But he's
Adam: not he's a beautiful guy. And then he one time he came, you know, we set up a date after years, we would meet at the UK office and this video
was on YouTube and I think on his site, comic strip blog calm. He interviewed me about my mobile devices. And it was so funny because then he he gave
me a PowerPoint pitch about what he wanted to do to work for pod show you under like a consultant type role. And it was so funny. It was the only
pitch I've ever received in my life that literally ended with a slide that says PS Fuck you, Adam Curry. Oh, man, this is so beautiful. Ah, well, I
can kind of transition from this into the two central bankers came out on the same day. And essentially said the same thing. The former senate chief
of the central bank of the Netherlands, the needle on some bank. Now delink said, Oh, this Bitcoin. This is nothing more than tulipmania except at the
end of the day, you had a tulip. And I need to say something about that good line. Well, no.
John: Other people do this tulip thing. You know, that's just crazy. Well, it's interesting that Beanie Babies is something we all remember.
Adam: Well, I but I wanted I did some research on the tulip thing and this it's a little different than the way we remember it. And there's a book
which serve under Helm had some scan pages somehow he gave it to me. And in you know, this comparison, essentially, whenever someone whenever there's
a bubble, they say, Oh, this like the Dutch tulip craze. And I think some history is warranted about the what that actually was. I mean, what do you
the way you understand that john? Is Is that it? The Dutch tulip craze was just people went crazy about a non product and the bubble burst and that
was it. I mean, do you have any men who are very
John: popular and they were being bred to be certain way to certain tools became very valuable. And then there was a shortage in the market and then
people began would happen when people began to speculate on the bulbs. And once that happened that, you know, it was it was doomed, but it was, well,
that was a, it was definitely a craze.
Adam: So that let me tell you what what actually happened. This was not so much about the bubble as it was about the trading that was going on. Now,
this is the 1630s. There were hardly there was there was no, CNBC, there were no newspaper, they had pamphlets, which are kind of like flyers, and
people would print something up and hand it out. But what happened this was the they had commodities trade in the Netherlands kind of invented the
stock market. And this was a part of that. Because what happened with these, with these tulip trades, is people were not taking possession of the bulb
or the flower, just the contract. And that was something that was new. And by the way, in order to understand the history like this, you have to get
the Dutch texts which I am able to read. So it's kind of unique that I can explain this to you because I read through the Dutch copy of what really
went down. So this was something that was new, is people would buy a tulip and they would only get a piece of paper that was you know, the bowl this?
John: Yes, by the way, I want to interrupt. Anytime you have some new technology, that tape or some new mechanism, financial mechanism that makes it
look as though you can make a lot of money. People jump on it because they see you Bitcoin is probably, I think is a good example not to bring this
up. This part of it is
Adam: yes, this is exactly my point. So people were in it to make money on the transaction instead of making money on the commodity itself. This is
this is where there was a big difference. Now. There was a lot of trouble with these flowers, they were hard to identify. There are a lot of mistakes
being made and a lot of fraud. But in 1936, one of these pamphlets, again, very few newspapers, if any floated rumors that the state was considering
taxing the tools was an 1813 or 1630 1636. I'm sorry, what did I say? You said
John: 1936. But and by the way, if you notice what you said was 1936, which is exactly Yeah, exactly.
Adam: 400 or 300 years later. Yeah. Interesting. So 1636 one of these pamphlets floated rumors the state was considering taxing this trade, because
they weren't really trading or buying commodities. It was it was like a kind of like a transaction taxes. What they were looking at to on February
3 1637, is when the first bad auction took place in Harlan. And there were essentially no buyers. On February 24. In Amsterdam, there was a big
meeting, all the traders got together and they said okay, you know what, we've got to unwind all this. Every trade after November 30 of snideness.
1636 can be unwound for a 10% fee on the actual transaction. Of course, you know, the big guys didn't really get hurt, though some of the little guys
got screwed. And so it's kind of kind of like a bailout. One of the early bailouts. But why did this happen? And all the tech say that there is a very
clear parallel of the plague. The plague, of course, in the 1600s was like, no, it happened. But the peak of the of the tulip mania trade coincided
with the peak of the Black Plague where 30% of cities were literally dying. And in 1636, before this, this bad auction 12 or 14 of the big tulip
traders died of the plague and their kids or their family or other people within their organization took over the trade. So it's not that crazy to
think that when you have like the backup guy running the trade or someone who hasn't doesn't know anything about this trading at all, come into this
and there's plague and people are dying and people you know, it's it's a weird time. That that is was really the impetus for this to fall apart not so
much that all of a sudden people realize that tulip wasn't worth anything, which to this day is not true. A tulip is definitely worth money. It just
wasn't worth the kind of money they were paying for it at the time. So the the crash really coincided with the new people coming in, after the plague
wiped out the original traders and that's the part that is it's iffy, at best to say that, you know, there's a bubble, it always pops it always goes
this way. It's it's overvalued. And it's not the only comparison. That's fair, I think you're right, is that it's a trade based upon the value of the
trade and what you can make and selling the ownership paper on instead of the actual
John: speculation always causes these issues. Exactly.
Adam: They're going to hate me for saying this but I don't care. I remember being invited and accepting the invite on Ray lanes g five jet to fly from
San Francisco to I think it was Burbank. It was Burbank or no, it was the Long Beach and they had the Tesla's It was like a huge elitist thing. It was
like lined up there's the E Bay guys playing like everyone's plane was there. And they had seriously and they had Tesla's and you would wait in line
that drinks and everything and then you'd get in almost like a
Unknown: few drinks first. Yeah, like a carnival ride.
Adam: And you get in line and you get in line and then you step off a little podium into the car and then you wait for the next one to come along. And
it was your turn. And then you'd ride around the tarmac. They had a you know, like kotaki or they had a whole party on the track. Yeah, and this was
this was the investors scam. And you know, this also got them the money, this huge elitist thing. Did you go I told you of course I went
John: you crazy you drove the Tesla were you no good No, I
Adam: did not. I did not get in one. Why? I didn't want I don't stand in line for anything. I did however fly autonomy.
John: There's a bunch of guys I fly with their private jets standing in line
Adam: to ride a Tesla and then they were putting up on the board who had bought one
Unknown: led board
John: that is that's like something is fine at this like some of you find down in Alabama. Yeah, yeah, we got a pig for sale. We got a we got a pig
right here. Big fat, big fat pig. Now anybody wants to buy this pig? It's like a name on the list like the niqabs Auto auction.
Adam: They do that too. We gotta buy over here we got to buy so who was there that bought one? No, everyone was there visa?
John: He bought one. Yeah, but you couldn't I don't think you can fit in one of these things. It's an it's a it's a it's I know, I
Adam: don't fit in the Lotus,
John: Lotus body. This dinky. Now, but
Adam: I wasn't interested. I want the reason I wanted
John: to write free right and usually is more interested in the G phi.
Adam: I sat up front in the G five and it was so hilarious. And it was with bloom and Marta. So it was like four people in the G five which holds 20
people and how disgusting it is. By like Ray lane by the way. He's a good guy. Yeah, like I'll ride in your jet. So I flew, I flew jumpseat in the
cockpit. This is brand new. And this pilots are all cocky like a and Ray lanes in the back. And I didn't see this. But now they're drinking scotch and
stuff. And he's like, I'm like, I don't need to wear my seatbelt on my own plane. And they land. And for some reason. The brakes were on lock when
they landed. So the rear wheels hit the tarmac and boom, the nose wheel slams down. Apparently Ray Lang went flying through the entire cabin with a
Scott doll. Yeah. Those guys are like it was the whole thing was embarrassing. Is it? Yeah, they're like showing off. Yeah, I got my license like,
hey, were you propeller Boy, you had a copter boy, watch us boom. almost broke the nose. The nose gear off. was a funny little bit. Let me see what I
have.
John: Right now. We're gonna stop. You're gonna tell us about podcasting. We'll get a request from one of our producers a part
Adam: of podcasting that is poorly told. Because by the history books started in 2004. But it actually started in 2000. And I went to New York, I had
to go beat somebody up over some money I was owed. And which is a true story, nother story for another time. And Dave Winer was in New York at the
time, I think he was just in as for some conference, and I knew Dave Winer from radio user land and the blogging stuff, and RSS. And I had written
this, this blog posts, you can still find an archive.org, which is the the final yard I think it is. So instead of the last yard just said the last
mile, the last yard and I had this concept in my head, which was, since at the time, we only had modems that were there were cable modems that they
were always on. It wasn't broadband. It was no it was it was more broadband than dial up. But it really wasn't all that great. The cable
infrastructure really sucked. But you know, you didn't have to dial in. So it was always on. And I had this idea that in order to create a good
multimedia experience, which we didn't have, it wasn't clicking play, it was click, wait for 10 minutes, and then all of a sudden they would play if
it was video might take a little less long with an mp3 file hard for people to imagine. But that's the world we were in. I said why not? If since the
computer is always on, it's always connected to the internet, why not create a little thing, a little program that runs in the background. And when
there's when there's a new a new video or piece of content is available, it downloads it without telling the user but when it has it on his hard
drive, it pops up a message and says hey, I've got something new for you here. And then you click on it. It plays immediately which would give you a
great A great experience like oh, I clicked on something and said it was new and it played immediately which was would have been sorcery and magic at
the time. And I presented this to Weiner who scoffed at me. And and didn't kick me out because like feeling whatever, you know, I think he thought it
was, you know, MTV boy Shut up. And but then I took his software, his radio user land progress, pro scripting application, and I created what I was
talking about. And he looked at it, he said, I now understand what you're saying, you have to promise me one thing that was that the you never ever
touch my software again. Okay, I promised that. And that's when he came up with the way to implement this, which was the enclosure tag in the RSS feed
format. And we were actually using this for three years before podcasting came to be. But it wasn't until the iPod happened that from in my head, it
clicked like, wait a minute, we can use this in conjunction with the iPod. Because I looked at the iPod and didn't say jukeboxes. Everyone was saying
I said radio receiver, all we need to do is have a way for people to subscribe. And we had that the RSS mechanism was subscribed. And I built a little
script and popped it over to the to the iPod, and that was the birth of podcasting. But I'm
Unknown: going to show my school by donation to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.
John: Wow, that's leet. The good stories, by the way?
Adam: Well, of course, I've had a rich life. What do you expect
John: a lot of show business stories more than I
Adam: have? That's for sure. So, in so many still to tell john so many, I have not told
John: you that. But we have another hour to go with more.
Adam: This is true. This is true. This is true.
John: In the meantime, of course, we are on leet. Show 1337 which is lead l e tn hacksaw. And we promised everyone is special executive producer for
the elite show. And we're going to have to put together a list on 1338, a special elite, elite Elite listeners. Yes, yes, elites that produced this
show today
Adam: that well, we also have a like more options like 130 3.7 is is that the idea? Or is it just is it gotta
John: be three
Adam: options? three options as usual. Good. I mean, I want I want to lead key chain I want I want to have a challenge coin for this episode.
John: It will tell you I'm sure you want a lot. But I it'll be it'll be in the newsletter I did yesterday.
Adam: Nice. Well done. Well done. JOHN.
John: already done this in the can.
Adam: Again, thanks to syrup and waffles or syrup and waffles for producing this episode. And it's quite a lot of work you put into it. So that's
highly appreciated. This is why we have the best producers in the universe. And let's get right into it. Second part of my stories here on no agenda,
the elite edition.
Unknown: Yeah.
TV Oh,
John: tell me about?
Adam: Yes, off the grid for a moment here with no agenda show. off the grid? Well, we break up with with big tech, and we're happy about it. Very
happy. I do have a couple stories too, that were sent in a couple things to mention. And your review. Do you recall on the previous show, we were
talking about the device the manager, the manager of devices at Google saying yeah, you should probably disclose to guests that come over. If you're
using a Google speaker or Amazon Alexa, you should probably disclose to them that these systems are listening all the time.
John: Yeah, cuz they didn't sign the document. The EULA.
Adam: Right? And do you remember what? We made a recommendation of how you could shame people into not having these devices?
John: Yeah, it was extreme, but it was a good idea.
Adam: So Brad, I
John: want to repeat it. I
Adam: producer producer Brad reports. Adam? The bud porn search worked. That was my suggestion. Say Hey, Google, search for buck porn. And Brad writes
in Adam no frickin joke, man. You just made my phone look up but porn. I was playing through a Bluetooth speaker and you Hey, googled my phone into
looking it up. I couldn't believe it works. So after 15 minutes of browsing, but porn, email you. So it does work. Excellent. Thank you very much,
Brad for that report. We almost didn't have a show
John: but happened there? I get protested by the kids now I'm no No, no, no, I
Adam: had a full on overnight point of no return test drive in a battery car.
John: I crapped out.
Adam: No, no, no, I didn't crap out. But the former New York banker, he needed to go to Galveston and I've always said, Hey, you know, anytime you
need my truck, can you take the truck? Leave the Tesla with me? Yeah, so we, he calls me up says I gotta take my kid to Galveston. And then the Tesla
can't make it said, Well, this week and I happen to be going to Bryan College Station, which is 110 miles from Austin. Oh, yeah, no
John: problem. Go down round trip on the news.
Adam: No, no, sir. No, no, no, no, no, the Tesla will do really real road performance about 180 miles.
John: No, no, that's not true.
Adam: Okay, I just did this.
John: I'm just telling you I seen the specs heard
Adam: on spec, she
John: was to believe you.
Adam: I got Ilan, I got it. I just gotta do you mind if I just run through my experience? So we can just have a final a final final on the battery car
known as the Tesla.
Unknown: Go. Okay.
Adam: So he's all worried He's like, Oh, you won't make it. So now I'm staying overnight. Don't worry about a find a
John: place. Second. He owns the car. Yes. And he says you won't make it when it's a known fact they do. 350 miles 350
Adam: miles? Which Tesla is that? A seven by tie all of them? I don't know which one he has that s 90. I don't know which model? I think.
John: I think that's the hot rod.
Adam: It's the hot rod. Oh, it's a hot rod. We already discussed this. So I driven this before, but never done an overnight and he was like, Well, you
know, you get you got to charge it. And it takes you know, eight hours like Dude, don't tell me anything. This would be great for the show, or we
won't have a show. So let me try it out. He says okay, that's funny. Do that. Okay, great. So I get in the car, and I driven it before. I'm sitting
now and he drives off in the truck. I'm like, I forgot how to start this thing. That's how stupid it was, like, Oh, you don't have to start it. You
just got to put it into drive. I can I was looking for a button. You know, like, my truck has a button, you press the button, the car starts. So
that's how disoriented I was. But anyway, I remember how it works. I start driving and he left me with about it said 200 miles on the on the the
range, the range meter. So I started driving. Now this is a this is multiple roads. It's 290 7121. So there's, you know, the roads aren't really great
highways all the way. And some surface issues which may you drive in a Tesla on a on a poorly surface road. It's It's noisy. It's very noisy. And I'd
also feel like yeah, I think the tires are something that's low profile tires.
John: A low profile tire, very
Adam: warm, very, very noisy. And I'd forgotten that you actually have to keep your hand on the steering wheel when you do the auto steer. And it says
afterwards Oh, put your hands on the wheel like Oh, okay. And I kept forgetting this because it's just plugging along 65 miles an hour. It's deer in
itself. My God. I love this.
John: He gets some clip on hands.
Adam: Well, I'll tell you a couple of things. You don't want that because these roads You know, sometimes there's a little construction it splits off
at least twice I had to really grab the wheel and disengage because it would have taken me off into the into the side of the of the drink. Yes, it's
not it's not that great. If you really don't you really don't want to take but I did keep my hands off three times and then it goes bing bing bing
bing autosteer no longer available for this trip you stupid slave he could put in jail and you get put into auto steering jail pants to pull over you
got to put it in park and then you know then you can use the auto steer again. But I'm telling you, john, no one should no one should rely on this
auto steer. Unless you're on a you know proper Highway near with at least three lanes. You really don't want to do this. I'm telling you three, two
times that a really I would have gone off three Dukes of Hazzard style. Anyway, so I get there. Remember, I started out with 100 and a little under
200. I get there I've got four ny has 35 miles left. It's 110 mile trip. So already the battery things like your phone. You know it tells you got a
couple hours but then when you get right down to it, you really don't
John: get 15 minutes.
Adam: Yeah. And I had to find a charger and just a hotel they
John: already met well, hon, but you'd already mapped it out. So this was not a problem
Adam: no I had downloaded you gotta get a million apps you got to get charged station you got to get Evie go You have to understand what the different
charging options are level one level two and then the big conquer which is the supercharger which pretty much only existed Tesla stores I think
John: I'm out here in California
Adam: yeah i'm sure in California but not in Texas. Like Now luckily This is Aggie land. This is a in Texas a&m, they got a big campus and sure
enough, there's a whole bunch of chargers but they're all three miles away. Because it's it's a it's called a station everything's three miles away.
So I'm driving around and chatting I ever been on campus in the weekend. And all the gates are up and down. That thing's like a penitentiary. Texas
a&m is a is a fucking jail. Everything is a gate this cameras looking at your license plate scanning you before you can go in I finally find the
garage after trying to pull into one that that had a charging station but was only for students. And now I'm down to like 15 miles you know, it's it's
a white knuckle I'm getting low battery warnings. It's we're going to
John: shut to grade. The worst part of I just did all these electric cars. Yeah, the white knuckle thing is the worst. Yeah, well, I'm like, No, you
can't look at a can of gas.
Adam: Hmm. So and it's given me these warnings and via which flash on and off, they go away before you can really read them properly. So we're gonna
shut down stuff like what what are you going to shut down and shut down the heated seats shuts down the air conditioning is getting a little. Okay,
finally, I'm in the garage. There it is the charger. And now I really start to realize what all of this entails because you have to have you have to
be a member of the charger network. So it's hold your card, I don't have a card, I just want to charge I need some power. And this is a level two. So
it's usually no more than 220 volts. And you jam that and it'll take, I think it gives you 80 miles per hour that you sit there charging.
John: So let me get this straight. Instead of it accepting a normal credit card, or American Express. Yep. It requires you to actually be a member?
Yes. Oh, wait, let me guess why? Because it serves alcohol.
Adam: I think it would be for tracking purposes, you really don't feel very free in this ecosystem. So now Luckily, well, you can download their app.
And we know what that means they get all your information. And then you can sign up with your credit card with your name. So now they have everything
on me. I can't just anonymously tap up or tank up or top up. I have to tell them who I am. Then you can use your phone as the the near the NFC near
field communication. Click OK. And then you can finally start and you put it in. And you know, I walked away and of course I had to drop a pin. Tell
Tina where it was she'd come and pick me up in her car has her gas car gas car, or gas guzzler her horrible climate change causing vehicle? So, you
know, I don't know like, How do I know that? You know, it's still charging. Yeah, what
John: happens if it craps out in the middle of the charge and decides to stop? Well, the answer said Oh, well wait, wait, wait. You're a member of the
club and you've got this app. And so if that happens, you're immediately alerted.
Adam: Possibly. So I got enough charge. We still had to leave last night at 10 o'clock. See it's a good two hour drive certainly at night. So it
really only charged for six hours. So when we left I had a I had 155 miles to go. I got in on like a penlight battery charge pretty much into the into
the garage that are placed in downtown Austin. But you know, this car and also after two hours of driving you don't want to drive this more than it
can do. You're tired. It's bad. It's you know, it's it's a sports car. It's It's rough. You know, it's not it's not a smooth ride. This is this
product. I can't speak for all electric vehicles. But this product that Tesla has got to be one of the stupidest things ever invented and people who
live nearby one people who buy one or either virtue signaling have too much money was
John: that Oh, there's that.
Adam: It's stupid. It's a stupid, it's stupid friend. This
John: is not the same report you gave us the last time.
Adam: I don't even know it's not your right. Maybe it's because the car's been on the road for a couple of years. I don't know maybe they did an
upgrade. Maybe it was you know, the, you know, sophomore experience like no, this it really was not a great product in my mind. It's not great. It's
not
John: like somebody they find the old clip of Adam going on and on about the greatest thing ever and how that Hands Free is fantastic or whatever it
was a driver auto drive.
Adam: Yeah,
John: none of these complaints, none zip.
Adam: So we're going to go down route 35, which is you and we left around for 334 o'clock. So traffic is building up and I 35 can get pretty gnarly.
Let me tell you something. This this car blew my mind with autopilot. I did not drive to New Braunfels the car drove itself. Oh, that's nice come from
stop and go traffic, we were on the web browser were connected phones, and the car is just driving by In fact, at a certain point, we have to get off
I 35. And I'm thinking, I wonder if it'll actually just do that too. And that's how comfortable it felt lane changes.
John: Click on I never drove one with that feature. Oh
Adam: my god. Now I'm very familiar with adaptive cruise control. And with no with systems that keep you in your lane that will kind of pop you back
into the lane. But this was an absolute mind boggling experience. Any car I have in the future, I want this technology in it. You know what I did a
reality show of our family called Addams Family. In 2002, I think 2000 to 2003. And we produce it all ourselves. So we had like one camera guy living
with this, I did a camera and had one editor everything done on Final Cut Pro and it was broadcast every Saturday night primetime. on SBS broadcasting
in the Netherlands, you know, I have the rights to that, you know, we could do first of all, I want you to see it because I think you get a kick out
of it. Because even though it was completely unscripted, and everything happened, everything you saw was chronological order. You'll see that just by
editing, we really made it into something entertaining, and particularly editing to hit records, you know, like soundtrack to your life type hit
records, which I should put that up online. Because I have the rights. You should but I want to make everyone I want to make money off of it.
John: Good luck.
So I'm shopping in this street, I'm going looking for some shoes. And so I found some fun, you know, there's some, some shop I went into, and I did
some really cool looking pair of shoes. And I feel great by didn't quite fit right. But the guy gave me a lecture. So well, you know, this is one of
the last two shoe companies left in Holland that made these shoes. And he went on and on with a lament about how many shoe companies are used to mean
I guess this goes back to the wooden shoe days. He said that I guess there were hundreds at one point Sure. And they've all consolidated down to like
one or two and they're about to go broke.
Adam: Well, and that's also part of a larger gripe in the Netherlands is that they you know, they've been saying for maybe 15 or 20 years you know the
government has basically put Holland into the into the into the storefront window everything has been sold they don't make anything new we were
complaining about America they don't make anything there was nothing being produced in Holland anymore nothing zero you know except well banking and
that just got sold ABN AMRO, you know, sold to what was that? Barclays?
Unknown: I don't know. I didn't follow that.
Adam: Yeah, so that was the kind of like the last thing the Netherlands has. And you know, and there's just no more industry there. And it used to be
a very industrious trading based nation. No longer
John: I don't know what to tell you.
Adam: Nothing. So I don't really
John: I don't know why these countries believe. I guess you know, they're all locked into this internationalism globalism and they believe that they
can get all their products elsewhere cheaper in such a way that they never have to worry about ever making them again, but Gee, if some you know,
Hitler cropped up, you know that in this day and age would be easy to do. These countries would be a walk over, they wouldn't have to have a
blitzkrieg. No,
Adam: oh no, it would be. It would be very easy. The Netherlands Of course in the Second World War capitulated within like five days, they gave up
their three rifles and two bicycles.
John: And well more than two bicycles according to the Dutch, that's all they do. is they still bitch about the fact that the bicycles are never
returned?
Adam: Yeah, they get off. Oh, God. That is, that is a joke. We don't make any more in Holland, john. That is, that is no longer valid, culturally
speaking, not politically correct.
John: Why when did that change?
Adam: Well, as we all got older, you know, I've dealt with lots of Germans my age and you know, there's this great the new Germans, I'll just call
them you know, the generation that has now grown up that was you know, that didn't grow the grow grew up whose parents were born during the second In
World War they're very reliable in general that have to say in business dealings. They're pretty reliable. They're, they're friendly. They're, you
know, they do I like doing business with them and they and they, culturally, they're, they're quite rich, you know? So we just don't mess with them
anymore because now they're just our good neighbors and we you know, and by the way what an economy You know, there's the Netherlands when Germany
sneezes the Netherlands you know catches the cold
John: so the bicycle issue is, is off the table.
Adam: Yeah, we we do not know what now we do not say that anymore. Now. Yesterday we went over to the Netherlands and just to have dinner basically
with my sister about the both of my sisters their significant others and and the kids. And so we just got back and I'm ready to get this new year's
thing over with already.
John: So what's where'd you eat?
Adam: This place called a veranda? Which actually, I have a better dinner story, although this was fun, but this was kind of a place where the kids
could run around. Yeah, they're like, between the ages seven and 10. So, you know, it's like, we didn't go to an overly posh place. I did. However,
with Christina and Patricia and Christina's boyfriend do George Jake. We went to Clifton house. You familiar with Clifton?
John: Oh, yeah. Okay,
Adam: so we went there. And we had because we've patrician I've stayed there before. And we went to have dinner. And I was already there. I was like,
Okay, I'm going to order a really awesome bottle of wine. Because I know Patricia will be, she'll be into it. And, you know, I was sure I could, you
know, between the two of us, I could probably do a bottle of wine. I was really gonna get a good one. And I'm looking at the, the, what do you call
it? The wine menu, the wine list.
John: It's the wine list. And I think if I'm not mistaken, that place has one that looks like the Manhattan phone director.
Adam: It's amazing. And I saw it. It was 1953 Latour. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go for this baby
John: gets the price. Can I get the price? Yeah.
Adam: Now you have I know the pound price. So you know, your currency, my guess is
John: in pounds, I guess it in pounds. Now England and they would do in America in the United States, I think we would probably that one would be
around 53 let Jordan run probably about 70 $500. Now, I would think that in England, because they're closer to the source and collect those wines.
broadly across those kinds of restaurants. I'm thinking that wine might be priced as low as
Unknown: 3000 pounds. And actually,
Adam: there were a couple of tours the there were two different ones from 53. And one of them was 30 401 of them was 2400. So you were awfully awfully
close. In fact, right. I was right in the middle. Yeah, right in the middle. But needless to say, Patricia Lang, I don't feel like wine tonight. And
then what do you do? He's like, yeah, I'm not gonna drink a whole bottle of wine. What do you say to him? You know, Jordan, no
Unknown: problem.
Adam: I know. But you know, tell us give me a doggie bag and I'll take it home with me. I don't want to just drink it by myself. So I didn't do it.
And I know it sounds incredibly bourgeois or what is the word I'm looking for? Yeah, we're talking about it. You know? 7000? decadent. Oh, yes. Thank
you. We're talking about a $7,000 bottle of wine, but it really was gonna be my gift to myself. And didn't have to die. Yeah.
John: You could probably track that wind down on the open market. $4,000. Maybe Really? Wow. Yeah.
Adam: Well, let's do that. Fuck it. When I come to San Francisco. Let's track one down, Johnny boy. They tell you that. Laurie Turner contacted me
that I tell you about this story. Know, Laurie Turner, better known as Lt. In West Virginia. When I went to school, we had a radio station it was wi
TB which officially stood for we're in the basement. But of course, we all knew it really meant we're into bong hits. And it was a low power FM
station. I was running the station within like three months. But there was a DJ there who had and she was a I think she was sophomore junior. I can
remember Lori Turner and she was kind of this you know, exactly the kind of girl I kind of like a little tomboy ish. And she had to add, you know,
this, of course, was early 80s. So she had a little bit of streak of pink in her hair. And, and she was a good jock. And I was, you know, so we wound
up having sex once and the next day. She said, You know what? I think I'm lesbian.
John: story that very few guys would relate to anyone but
Adam: my daughter loves This story by the way, the only time I had sex in college is the next day, you know, and I'm really digging chicks. So she and
she dropped me a note. The other said, Hey, man, never me. It's a lie. She said her name is different now. So I'm not going to, but she's still in
radio, and she's managing bands, and she's still lesbian. was great, like, hey, Lt. How you doing? My 18 year old daughter really likes that story. So
what happens is, you take your passport, you want to fly to a different country. And let's say you want to go to the United Kingdom, not a part of the
Schengen agreement. So it's not really Europe, you have to show your passport when you enter. The note will pop up and say, Come with me. So you'll
have to, you'll have to go. And there's there's some language here about what it actually is so seriously, delinquent tax debt. So first of all has to
be $50,000 or more, for which a notice of lien has been filed in public records pursuant to Section 6323. Or a notice of levy has been filed, which is
basically a wage garnishment.
John: Which I've had this happens, let's say hi just happened to me. As everybody. Yeah. So it happens. And there's so they pull the passport. So the
State Department has to go through a rigmarole. And then the guy pays because you've you know, your pay, and then
Adam: then it takes forever. Remember, I went through this.
John: You didn't lose your passport.
Adam: No, I would have had this been in play. But I remember they say we know it takes
John: forever. We don't know that it takes for I
Adam: do because I do. Because this happened to me. They said well, we can't win. My name started showing up on the payroll of me. VO or then Poncho
in 2005. I was living in the UK. And they say well, you Where have you been for since 1999? So Well, I left the country. Oh, yeah. We can't find any
filings. Do you didn't file any you know, you don't have to pay taxes twice. But we can't find any filings from you. So we're putting a lien and we
think that's about $2.4 million. Mr. Curry. And they kick the IRS
Unknown: came into our get your attention.
Adam: They did the IRS came into our building with their guns. Remember that?
John: I wasn't there.
Adam: Yeah, they came into their hands on their guns noted looking for me table. So we can't find us ever hear of Google idiot curry calm ever think
of looking for me online? And, you know, so then I had to go through all that
John: reminds me of the time. There's a number of John Dvorak that are writers. Yeah, believe it or not. And so I get a call from the IRS. Guys bs
grousing at me says, okay, just John Dvorak. Yeah, just Well, you're gonna give us our $70,000 I mean, when you're gonna pay. And I said, What are you
talking about? And me, me, you know, kind of says, Yeah, your blah, blah, blah. And I said, I don't know anything about what you're talking about your
John Dvorak. Right. So yeah. He and I said, and then I just, I guess I got lucky. I said, Where am I supposed to be? This is you're in Kansas, Kansas
City, said no. I'm in Port Angeles. Washington was where it was when I got the call. He says, uh, I said, What's your social security? Now? I started
grilling him. What's the social security number you got there? He said, Well, what's yours? And I told him, he says, oh, oh, that's interesting.
Unknown: Really?
Yeah.
Do you happen to know where another?
Adam: Do you know where to John Dvorak in Kansas is mine in Canada. Why did you go to Kansas? But she called the Kansas guy. Yeah,
John: you know, that is not the only John Dvorak in the world. I don't know why they got my name or why they called me but then that was all sorry.
And they you know, I have you said he's sorry, just hung
Adam: over. My point is it took me almost half a year to get my wage garnishment removed for them because that, you know, I had to prove, of course,
that I had been overseas and I had to go through quite a quite a bit of crap. And meanwhile, you know,
John: I came up with this number, this, this multimillion dollar figure, you weren't making that kind of money, and maybe Oh,
Adam: no, but they look at 10 years. They say we haven't you haven't filed taxes
John: here in 10 years, plus all the penalties and everything is crank crank this exactly make $100,000 a year and end up having to pay a $2 million
dollar tax bill, and then something pay for
Adam: DJI and so then finally, they said okay, we agree and then still took six weeks for them to actually because he had the media couldn't just say,
okay, we believe you know, they have to wait for official notice. It goes through the payroll system and all that. No, it's it's hosed. It's hosed.
I'm not a fan of Kennedy. on Fox because I worked with her and she was tos douchey at MTV. She broke my ass. I should probably tell the story. Or
John: broke your ass. And
Adam: yeah was the MTV beach house, which was the first year of that was fantastic was a great idea. Everyone was out in the Hamptons and a huge
mansion. And we're doing our shows from there. And I think I was doing a segment with Kennedy on wave runners, which are now mistakenly called jet
skis. And I was doing my segment standstill in the water. And she thought it would be funny to ram her wave runner into me, when of course I'm not
expecting it from behind, and what happens I fall off, and I fall on the edge of the wave runner with my ass. And it actually ruptured the muscle. And
so to this day, I have a little little dent in my butt. Thank you, Kennedy. Christina is on our way to Jordan right now.
Unknown: Why
Adam: she signed up for this show. Oh, no. Yeah, reality show.
John: You have to go rescue her.
Adam: And the way it works is they they tell you on the day, you're going to leave where you're going.
John: She's been doing this before.
Adam: Yeah, that was not a good experience. This is
John: where she went to Africa. Yeah. And it was all actors. Yeah, it was all she thought she was living with a tribe this story that is the funniest,
most humiliating story. So
Adam: the idea was you should tell it should be fun. The It was like a Celebrity Big Brother type. But you know, get out of the jungle type things
that the idea was the celebrities would go to Africa and live with an African tribe for a week or 10 days. And you know, Christina called me about his
I felt really bad. The most bad somebody think that look, I've traveled the world on someone else's dime, grab the opportunity. Go, go go. What, uh,
how great is that? Um, so she's in there for a week. And she's, you know, she's completely into it. Because this is my daughter's like, this is so
stupid, but I'll just get into it. No matter what. And you know, she even had her boobs out like all the all the other women in the camp and his hall
and firewood. And then then, like, near the end, all of a sudden, they say, hey, surprise, we speak Dutch. And it was all a big joke. And she was
devastated.
Unknown: Yeah, there wasn't anything.
John: It was a bunch of actors with a bowl crap, customs and rituals.
Adam: Yeah, that's true. That's so sad.
John: So now I think that's a great idea for a show. I think it should have been done in the United States. Now. It failed miserably. The
Adam: audience did not like it.
John: Because it was too big, too. It was too over the top. Well, you
Adam: can make fun of poor African slaves. You see this or something like that? Yeah. Something like that. That would never
John: do it. You take it out of Africa and move it into the ghetto. Yeah, that would work the deep south Appalachian because that might be offensive
to so it's hard to make it not offensive, but it is funny. Yeah. You're going to tell us the Madonna story.
Adam: Oh, the Madonna story. Jeez, I'm glad you reminded me.
John: Cavalia. You're wandering off. Like, like you were trying to avoid it. Anyway, go on.
Adam: It's not now it's not all that big a deal. So the way it works is you sit down in the press office in their little cubby corner couch, so they
can all listen in on the speakerphone. Make sure not saying something horrible. Then suddenly show you new the new vj is great. You know,
John: so much of this was not a live in studio interview.
Adam: This was with the well. No TV guy or the phone TV guys a magazine. So it was Yeah, they were interviewing me about being the new vj on the
scene.
John: Oh, okay. All right, going.
Adam: And as you know, you've been doing this for because I've been working in Holland and I'd met lots of celebrities. And so what do you think of
Madonna? Since she's not really that nice.
John: Well, hold on a second. Why would they ask that question out of the blue? Because
Adam: MTV. No, it wasn't out of the blue. It's like, Okay, you've been working in the television. You've been working in music, television. You've met
lots of people. You've done lots of interviews.
John: So what do you think of that? Madonna?
Adam: Yes, it's not that nice. I thought they were gonna shit a brick. And they'd like hit the mute button.
Unknown: You can't say that.
Adam: He said if you say that she read the performance the video music I want to Oh, you know those handles those deals they would do?
John: Yeah, you were just you were you were being too honest.
Adam: Yeah, exactly.
Unknown: You don't want honesty? No, no, that was foolery hire to be honest. It's not your job.
Adam: Long thing wrong thinking
John: occurred up at talking he had nice smile a lot. Boy
Adam: shut up and smile a lot. Boy. Exactly. It's exactly what it was. Sorry, they and they hated me. They never got pressed for me again after that.
I was not to be trusted with press.
Unknown: Well,
John: it was a screw up.
Adam: Couple. No, it was honest. Yeah. It was it was such a double standard. I don't want to get into it took a funny thing about the about the game.
Tony Henry is I guess he's an opera singer English opera singer. And he was tasked with singing the national anthem. So it was it was a game was here
and think Wembley. And so we sang the Croatian. Is it the Croatian a crow at Croatian Croatian anthem crow. Crow at? Well, anyway,
John: I'd be the Croatian anthem would have to be
Adam: so he made a mistake in the lyrics. In front of in front of 80,000 people. So here it is a BBC report. He should have sung Mila CUDA, c planina.
Which roughly means you know, my dear How we love your mountains. But instead he sang mila cootie see plenty now. Which can be interpreted as my dear,
my penis is a mountain. Wow, that's great. The funny thing is that the giraffe has no natural enemies. Did you notice except except of course, man, a
hunter. The giraffe can can slice you in two. And it can actually rotate its legs 360 degrees and just it literally will knock you into pieces. The
draft has no natural enemy, not the tiger and not the leopard. Not none of that. They can they can kick the crap out of anything.
Unknown: Well, they got a lot of leverage.
Adam: You know, I found this out. David, tell you that story on the top half of a friend of yours. I will give you an in the morning for that. There
was a giraffe named after me at the Amsterdam zoo. They noted the giraffe. The giraffe. Yes, sir. And so you know, it was like a press thing. And I
was doing the radio show in Holland at the time. And they're like, you know, is it pressing for the zoo? And like, we'll name it, Adam. And you come
and take a look and take some pictures for that. I'm like, Oh, that's kind of cool, you know? And so but there's Adams mom. And I go right into the
video. We're hanging out in the cages and everything. It's outside of the zoo hours.
John: Oh, and you are gonna go pet the little guy. No, no,
Adam: dude, I'm in the cage. And I'm the my producers taking a picture of me. And I'm standing right underneath the baby giraffes mother, which of
course is no two storeys high. And like maybe a foot away from it from its from its front legs. And I look I see him with the producer taking the
picture and I see the zookeepers petrified. They're like, walk very slowly towards us now. And I'm like, what they said, You are about to die. It's a
giraffe. And then they told me the whole story like you do not get in with a giraffe. as cute as they are. They will kill you. The day apparently the
the douchebag elitist TED Talk. conference, not the TEDx? No, no, the real one, the real one that you paid 10 grand for is just filled with douchebags
so bad that women don't even want to go anymore. I mean, we're talking about jump pouncing on women. cornering them, pushing them up against the wall
right you know, and seeing your tech people you know, rubbing their mashing their hard ons against women. Ah, it's disgusting.
John: It's totally disgusting.
Adam: And you know that that's exactly the people who are doing this stuff because they've lost all control of reality. I've seen this. I've seen it.
You've seen it. I've seen tons of it. douchebags. Unbelievable. The funny one though, is Gene Simmons.
John: Kind of surprises me as a Gene Simmons married to Shannon tweed the camera of the year.
Adam: Yeah, but you see he's not being accused of anything other than being incredibly douchey. And I have my own story about that. Because you know,
he he basically is just he's rude. I guess he What are you he was in for the fox, Fox Business News studios, whatever is news to me and he offended
members of the team. And so he upset by saying hey, chicks sue me. But here's the thing. I'll tell you. This is Gene Simmons. Anyone who has met Gene
Simmons for five minutes knows that this guy is is like this and it's funny. He used to come into the the weekly music meetings at MTV. When he was
producing was he producing and I was producing somebody wasn't it wasn't a kiss record and the time I was the only vj in the music meeting. This is
where the payola occurred, although I didn't see any. And he comes in with knee pads on jumps up on the table says, Who do I have to blow to get this
thing on the air? And I was like, that was Jean. Yeah. All right, man. And you know what, you know, they put it in rotation. That's how it works,
baby. You know it.
John: So we were talking about tea before he started the recording. And I was wondering if the public might be interested in some of our thoughts.
Since you, you said that you move ever since you moved to England, you've become kind of addicted to the product.
Adam: Yeah, well, you know, there's the Dutch when I grew up in Holland, they drink a lot of tea, but they drink it differently than the UK here is,
you know, it's really it's milk and sugar, whereas I never would have ever considered putting milk in my tea ever, before living here. But I found out
that culturally, that really works for me, you know, essentially, if someone walks in the house and they've got a you know, a bullet wound to the
shoulder, the first thing everyone says is, let's put a catalog, let's have some tea, and everything will be okay. And and I just kind of fell into
that. And I love it. Now, I must drink at least during the day, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm near, if I can make it myself, easily six to 10 cups a day.
What's your preferred brand up PG tips, of course. The NHS is such an expensive program granted the Euro, you only pay $5 for no matter that is your
copay for everything no matter what it is for for medication, because I was in this system. But I also remember right back, Christina dislocated her
knee. And she was you know, developing woman at the time she was in, you know, in high school. And, and it actually happened again, and so we shoot
now let's go get a scan. And they said, Sure, come back in eight weeks. And I like well, but it seems kind of like no, there's a waiting list. Just
it's not priority and don't run in the meantime. Thanks. So I took her private, I paid for it. And we walked into the same place. There was no one
there. They were just sitting around, they took my $5,000 and did the scan the next day. So it's not a very efficient system. It doesn't seem to now's
John: like a crock of crap to me now.
Adam: So now, we had multiple experiences with NHS, an emergency epic appendectomy that did get taken care of pretty quickly. Well, that's
John: a plus. But now
Adam: otherwise, I don't know. It seems like when you socialize the medicine, the healthcare to that degree, you can get waiting list and
prioritization. It's the only way it can work. Anyway, so I do have one print story. If you're interested. I figured we'd share one with the no agenda
audience. One, and this relates to I think it was 90 9091 and I was in Minneapolis, and I sent you the link for this earlier john. I was it was
probably one of the only three commercials for real products back in the heyday when I was Mr. MTV guy. And one of them was for Sam Goody music land,
which no longer exists, it doesn't exist anymore. It's gone. Right? I'm pretty sure it's on. Yeah. And the big our records and the biggest store is at
Mall of America which of course is in Minneapolis,
John: but I didn't know that was not the biggest stores in Manhattan
Adam: at the time. And that's you know, that's where it was going to be done. The store was huge. And so put together kind of like a spinal tap where
I'm pretending to be on a on a tour or some fantastic tour and then you know how all these commercials they always have to have like a slide so you
can put the current offers on it and so with almost like a completely different voice in the commercial you hear blank like the bangles willy nilly,
you know like all these great people on tour with but it's really it's the SAM Goody music land tour. Then you know, I'm going around run around
backstage and kind of like Spinal Tap and this is the best concert I've ever been on. And then I go to the stage, open the doors and then of course I
open into the into the store. And that's the stage or something and it's in the show notes and it's one of the lamest things you've ever seen.
Unknown: Fits perfectly. It paid.
Adam: Not very much but it was. I think it was maybe it was a buyout, maybe $5,000. Maybe it was you know, not a good deal but back in the day anyway.
John: nor their movies by the
Adam: way. I love fashion. I love fashion shows. I told you I went to the fashion show with my wife and Amsterdam on this Sunday. I had my suit on
John: with Juliet, that that suit. Yeah. Who was the designer you saw? Was it just a bunch of Oh, no, no,
Adam: it's just it's one designer pulse filter. And Patricia works with him every, every season on the show. And you know, what the model should look
like. And of course, I'm highly interested. Because what I get to do is I get to hang around everywhere. And this just naked models walking around is
awesome. I'm not kidding. Anybody. Yeah, it's not like they're posing, but they're all really tall. And, and so I said, you know, excuse me, I just
got to hug you for a second. I know, you're feeling the same way. Because you know, we talk to each other. And I always get it, you know, I always get
hug. It's great. But I really screwed I really screwed up this time. Because my favorite favorite model of all time, who always watched the pulse
filter show and it because all the mega superstars are big buyers or celebrities. And of course, we're none of the above. They get they sit right in
the middle of the front row at the on the runway. And so we're actually in an even better spot. That's like two spots to the right. That's where the
models make their turns. They make their turn right in front of us. And she always gives me john, I'm not kidding. She gives me the most wicked look.
I just like you know, it's like a fantasy. And it's a game because you know, my wife and I laugh about it all the time. Let's see if she gives you the
look. Anyway, she after the show. She's upstairs and she's, you know, she's D. Just taking everything off, essentially, you know, all of our model
stuff. And I said, Oh, you know, when's the divorce cuz my dream has to finally come through. And she says, March 13 How did you know? Oops. I felt so
shitty. So we took her out together. I
John: feel worse when she starts calling.
Adam: Dude. Not a problem. I said it right. I said it's okay. My wife is okay with it. We can have an affair. It's not a problem. Patricia sitting
right next door. I was funny. The Benigno Boris Johnson, our new mayor is his ban as of June 1, this is going to be funny. He's banning open
containers of alcohol on public transport. Good fucking luck. I can just see the poor train conductor trying to take it you can do a lot of things.
But taking a beer away from an inebriated Brit is just not one of the things you want to have high on your list to do.
John: Right, especially if he's Irish.
Adam: Thank you. Because I sit in first class on the train home you know, like at 530 or six o'clock and man can people have toasted toasted in first
class? Yeah, well, they don't have first class tickets, but they just come in you know, bargain. And you know, and everyone just ignores them, right?
No One No one says anything. And they're like burping and shouting and farting all over the place. And the conductor comes by and that thing he's
like, he takes one Look at him go like I'm gonna fucking deal with these bozos. You know, hey, you shouldn't be you shouldn't be here, gentlemen.
Yeah, right. Now, man, and wait and wait until we get some Liverpool fans on this rain. Yeah, that'll be fun. But your beard on son? David, tell you
story when I flew to LA with Sean Penn. No.
John: So we're open for anecdotes on this.
Adam: Yes. This is back in the MTV days. Yeah, probably 8889. And there was a fabulous, fabulous flight between New York and Los Angeles and Los
Angeles in New York. That's all it did twice a day, called MGM Grand air.
John: Oh, yes.
Adam: That was an interesting plane. MGM Grand air was a 727 or 737 was a
John: was a toy. It was longer play. It was a toy. It was either a 27 is 27.
Adam: And you could only I think it was like 50 passengers. Of course, MTV, you know, paid for this because they needed to get me out there. It wasn't
that much more expensive than a regular ticket actually. And so it had a bar. It was all captain's chairs. And then state rooms are like four or five
state rooms. We could sit three people on each side a table could come up so you could eat the doors could close now I've been in those ones before,
John: like a train like
Adam: a train. I've been in those ones before by myself. And it was fantastic. I had this you know, because you can move the two benches together. You
have a huge double bed. It was great. But this one time I'm in there with Sean Penn in the state room with his brother, the one who died. And then
Sean Penn's mom. And it was weird. You know, because first of all, his brother was his brother's name. I don't remember him. He was drinking beer out
of the can take his shirt off in the plane. This is bare chested there. Isn't I mean, the mom was very quiet and it was really odd. like Hey, how you
doing? Hey, you're the guy from VH one aren't you? Oh my God. Jesus.
John: VH one really hard. It must have been the greatest. Yeah, your life. Yes. I
Adam: said yeah, that's me. Hey, what was it like being married to Madonna? If you don't mind me asking, he said, hell hath no fury. Then Then we
pretty much just looked at each other for the rest of the rest of the flight. Very, very bizarre. I went in I went to the North Pole once Have you
ever been to the North Pole?
John: You're kidding me. You went to the North Pole.
Adam: Yes. Would you like to hear the story?
John: Wow. Yeah, that's impressive is no I have not
Adam: been to the North Pole. Oh, this was with onramp before we before we took it public and change the name to think new ideas. Ron and I were
running the company and we had a client Molson nice. And when and that was a promotion. That we that we were we did it with the agent with another
agency we came up with called the Molson ice polar beach party. And it was a contest and it was 100 winners. And it would be it was a cool is a cool
MTV like contest, actually, 100 winners would go to the North Pole for concert with Metallica actually was Metallica hole. So Courtney Love, and one
other band I can't remember. And we and we did a cyber cast from the North Pole. And was pretty interesting, because, you know, we the only way to do
it is we took a multiplexer. So we could take 24 phone lines, and basically convert that into like, you know, 150 kilobits per second or whatever. And
we had that linked all the way down from top to jacc talk, which is Northwestern territory. So and you know, literally, like, you know, a couple miles
inside the Arctic Circle there.
John: Well, let's get back to the How did you get to the North Pole? Ah,
Adam: well, it's a combination of many, many flights. And the last one is basically an otter. So an otter is one of those airplanes with the huge the
huge inflated tires. And it's a it's a real workhorse and it just it, you know, you can sit in it and kind of like jump seats, but it's really meant
for taking cargo. And, yeah, so you basically land up on the ice near drilling platform up there. And, and so it not being the dark period, it was
light for 24 hours straight, which was really, really weird. And, of course, you're up there, you know, we had our crew, and we were sleeping in the
oil barracks,
Unknown: if you will.
Adam: And you as as metallic as as everybody. And so you know, we're looking at there's nothing to do, obviously. And so we live in and it's dry,
right? There's no alcohol is forbidden, but you know, we figure we can probably figure something out. So we go outside, and it's midnight, but you
know, kids are riding around on their bikes, and it's as if it were mid day. And some of the kids come over and we're, you know, say hey,
John: let's back up a minute. There's a bunch of people at the North Pole.
Adam: Well, it's not exactly on the North Pole, North Pole. But you know, within I don't know, what is it? 50 miles? 75 miles? Yeah. There's all kinds
of villages.
John: thought it was pretty barren up there.
Adam: It was pretty barren up there.
John: Oh, okay.
Adam: No kidding. You know, the next town was several 100 miles. And that was
Unknown: a new Vic,
Adam: I think is what it was called. Anyway, I need to give a little background, my own personal background in 1990 to 2005. We started pod show, and
this was with venture capital money, something I'll never do again. But it was fun. With Kleiner Perkins and Kleiner Perkins. They had a CEO weekend.
And we all went to Pebble Beach. Which was really, really a horrible weekend for me. Because of course what everyone does at Pebble Beach is let's go
golfing.
John: Of course
Adam: Yeah. Well guess what? I can no go I don't golf. But they and Ray lane that one of the general partner said, Hey, I got you some shoes. You're
coming with us. And that evening, during that evening during the final
John: reading, by the way, you don't really need spike shoes to golf.
Adam: Well, I still have them though. I have golfing shoes.
John: Yeah. Okay.
Adam: So we're wrapping this all and this is this the CEOs from every big Kleiner Perkins company you can imagine, right up to the Google boys. And
then all of a sudden and we have a special award for Adam Curry. And I'm and I'm getting up out of my seat. I'm like, wow, I got an award for the most
strokes ever at this golf course. It was the meanest thing anyone's ever done to me.
Unknown: It's cute.
Adam: Every all of Silicon Valley was laughing at me. But at this get together I see
John: you You got humiliated. Yes, I did. You were the butt of a joke. Yeah,
Adam: well, it's lamp All I did is I got I got super bucks. Whoa you got but it was fun. You make fun of the of the MTV guy would make fun of the guy
with Tourette's. Okay, thanks. I can't play golf because I have Tourette's. All right, the cat is out of the bag. I should have had my T shirt on. I
have a new t shirt I'm working on. Okay, Tourette's. It's what makes us tick.
John: That's very cute. I think somebody else wrote that line. Of course,
Adam: I think I wrote that. That's the one thing that bothered me. You know, I did this and it's still not on. What's the what's the TV? I'm blanking
out? Yeah, I did a Swamp Thing. I did an episode of Swamp Thing. Hulu, right. And it so that episode is still not it's it's a series previous to the
series that they have on there. Now, it's still not on Hulu. It's like one YouTube clip of one brief little scene but was a half hour show. And it was
it was great. You know, who also was in it, Rick? Rick monetti mulready monetti, who played Ric Magnum P. I mean, this is the level of acting talent
that was on this episode. And just powerhouse stuff. And I'll never get over that in the script. And of course, I wanted to change it. But you know,
had no say in the matter. That this rock and roll guy Nathan, this rock star who's strung out on drugs actually uses the word blato. Like, this is so
wrong. Yeah. And you can see me you can see me though. Like, how about big wasted
Unknown: I couldn't get stoned is a lot of Blotto.
Adam: That's, I was Blotto man, like, no, no one ever say that in their right mind. It totally ruins the whole episode. Huh? But anyway, yeah,
John: played that character. And you had to say it.
Adam: Yeah. And I did. And I think I made it work.
Unknown: I made it my you actually use the word blato in an acting piece of art. Uh huh.
Adam: It's worth it. I Hulu, ar Hulu Go Go make that happened. Put that shit up. I raced in a geo. Did you know Yes. MTV. We follow the the Indy
circuit one year. And it was one year they had the race in Denver, the street race in Denver. And they had the celebrity race. And it
John: wasn't a Grand Prix or IndyCar Grand Prix style. Well, it is on the streets. It would be Grand Prix more than
Adam: well, Indy. Well, it was the cars or whatever. It was the same cars.
John: Yeah. For you, you had a geo.
Unknown: Yeah.
Adam: So this was like the guy, the drummer from white lion Johnny Gill, you know? I'm sure one of the motley crew guys was there. And I had the in
car camera. I got to find that footage. Because I of course, I went around the corner and crashed into the wall and kept going.
Unknown: You did? Yeah.
Adam: The stick shift had come up about two feet. But otherwise it's still drove. But the commentary because when you're in the car and you skidding
around, you hit the wall and you bounce off each other. It feels like Wow, man, this was a spectacular thing. You see the footage on TV. And the
commentator is literally like, what does it do? They go you know how slow it looks then like what it looks like. I'm a grandma who's lost control. And
the guys who are gonna call the official race like, oh, there's Adam Curry from MTV. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like one of those like, Dude can't even hold on
to the we'll go Oh, my god story. There you go. Yeah, now I know what stories to tell. I know. I know why Tina married me. Like, he's fascinating.
John: You You know why she married you because she hasn't heard these stories until now.
Adam: Why Believe me, I've taken her on vacation. So she never has to hear these. That's the whole point. Good move. Play those stories when we're not
connected. That's much but don't worry, babies. Just old stuff you don't need to hear. You've heard
John: it all. It's already been on the show once.
Adam: syrup and waffles. Thank you very much for producing this episode really enjoyed that a lot of work went into it and is highly appreciated. And
I'm looking forward to coming back. I'm already How sick is this? I'm ready. I'm ready to come back and kick some ass and get going with 1338. All
right, well,
John: I'm ready to so we'll be back for 1338
Adam: I'll step aside for the enthusiasm.
John: Sorry.
Unknown: That's okay. A lot.
Adam: It's been a long 15 months is what it's been. Thank you all everybody for producing this show. 1337 episodes long. I look forward to the next
one. We will see you then. Until then, remember us@dvorak.org slash na in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry.
John: from Northern Silicon Valley. i'm john C. Dvorak. We
Adam: return for the next show right here on no agenda. Until then adios mofos such.org slash