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April 16th, 2023 • 3h 0m

1547: A Sally

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John C Dvorak: Keep the guy on the line. We're putting a trace
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on the call. Adam curry
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Adam Curry: Jhansi Dvorak April 16 2023 This is your award
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winning get one nation media assassination episode 1547. This
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is no agenda devoid of any intelligence clearance and
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broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country here
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in the Marines in number six in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
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curry,
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John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where somebody's
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celebrating the fact that today's the day the German shut
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down their last two nukes I'm John Cena, borax.
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Unknown: Buzzkill
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I'm glad you brought that up. I happen to have a clip of this
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insanity. Unbelievable what is wrong with the Germans here?
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John C Dvorak: I'm of the opinion that this is being done
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on purpose to try to jack the Germans up?
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Unknown: Well, they're gonna get jacked up. But did you know that
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this is also the same week that Finland finally opened up their
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1.6 gigawatt nuclear reactor after 16 years?
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John C Dvorak: No, I did not know that part. I did not know.
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I don't
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Unknown: have a clip of that, of course, because why would we?
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Why would you tell anybody about that? Now, I think it's like 30%
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of their energy is going to be covered by nuclear. But here's a
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France 24.
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Nick, talk to us a little bit about the history.
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I left this in. You can hear how phony baloney these reports are.
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So the guy standing. I don't know if he's actually standing
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in front of the nuclear reactor being shut down. He could just
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be it could have just pulled over by the side of the road.
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And of course, he knows exactly what question he's going to get
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from HQ. And then this hilarity happens. Nick talked
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to us a little bit about the history of nuclear energy in
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Germany
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Monte I lost the phone connection here so I couldn't
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hear that question. But I know we were gonna talk about the
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history here of nuclear in Germany. And it started really
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in 19
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so phony like wow, they all know what the script is like Monty
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tell me what the history I knew we're gonna talk about the
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history 61
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With the opening of the first reactor and to the skepticism of
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energy supply
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1960 By the way, there's some some weird noise in this thing.
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That's that'll go away that's that was in there as a traffic
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noise. Now it's it's someone's phone. I think their their
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connection. But did this their first reactor opened in 1961? Is
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it possible?
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sounds. We're talking big game
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about all this stuff in the 50s, mid mid 50s.
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Unknown: Right, really a 1961 with the opening of the first
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reactor, and to the skepticism of energy supply companies. And
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then it grew until in the 1990s, there were some 17 nuclear
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reactors. But this whole journey came through a lot of
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controversy. there was opposition, particularly after
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the Three Mile Island incident in 1976. And Chernobyl, you can
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imagine how that focused attention here in Germany, and
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the whole process of contesting nuclear power gave birth to
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Europe's biggest Green Party and Green Party movement. The people
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who are in government now, really, really tipped the hand
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of government here was the Fukushima nuclear disaster. In
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under Angela Merkel's reign, she decided in 2011,
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which, by the way, we should just pause for
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John C Dvorak: a moment makes it sound like she did
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Unknown: it. Not only that, but the Fukushima nuclear disaster
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was not a nuclear disaster. It was a tsunami, there was the
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disaster. And yes, there there was an issue with cooling down
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the rods, but no one fried if they'd been back to Fukushima
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many times. And you know, there's lots of plant life and
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animals running around and everybody's all happy and jacked
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up. No one's dying over there. But, you know, you forget that
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part of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.
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Under Angela Merkel's reign, she decided in 2011, that it was
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time to shut down all of Germany's nuclear plants by the
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2030s. However, that whole schedule was was advanced when
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this new coalition government came into power. Germany is now
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in the past year only generating about 6% of its electricity from
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nuclear power in the past three months, it's been around 3%.
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Even if these nuclear plants are being shut down, the controversy
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will continue because you have to decommission these plants
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that takes 15 years and store 10s of 1000s of tons of nuclear
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waste somewhere. So there'll be a lot more discussion even
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though the era of nuclear energy in Germany is over.
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Unbelievable.
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John C Dvorak: So from the sounds of it, there were at
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least those old this is old plants. new plants, of course,
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are different technologies and much more
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Unknown: efficient ways they eat their own waste. But
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John C Dvorak: let's just look at this from the perspective of
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old plants. So by from their calculation, it would take 25
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old plants to power the whole country perfectly. Yeah, because
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it's 2% per plant. Yeah. So we have seems reasonable put 25
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plants up to here and there's a big country mall in East
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Germany.
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Unknown: Meanwhile that just shutting down in East Germany.
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Meanwhile, they're shutting down industry because they can't
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afford it. It's It's so hard. I mean, the Germans have been
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under some kind of mind control. Not sure how that works. I mean,
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I am obviously because the mind control was so strong. Tell me
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what's wrong logically, with this very short little report
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here from ABC last
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summer alone, the US saw five flood events described as 1000
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year floods from the Midwest to Texas and California. A recent
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study warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal,
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due to climate change, and our infrastructure is not keeping
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up.
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I mean, if it's 1000 year flood, then wouldn't you have one in
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1000 years? Not five. Is this weird logic on my on my part?
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John C Dvorak: Oh, there's just throwing these terms out there
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because it sounds bad. But what is this about the infrastructure
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they need to we need to build more awkward ducks or bigger
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reservoirs or what's the deal? are they referring to
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Unknown: me here again, I don't want last summer.
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John C Dvorak: Infrastructure is not keeping up with climate
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change. Let's listen to
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Unknown: us all five flood events described as 1000 year
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floods from the Midwest to Texas and California. A recent study
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warned floods are becoming more frequent and less seasonal, due
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to climate change in our infrastructure is not keeping
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up.
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I think that means solar. Windmills, again,
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John C Dvorak: it can mean solar. I mean, reservoirs and
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aqua ducks. I just talked about floods I don't
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Unknown: I don't think that's what he's really thinking about.
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Just just saying doesn't sound right. But now they're not using
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much of that. Well, I guess that's the Florida flood. Right.
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John C Dvorak: But have you now yeah, I talked to Horowitz
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yesterday was he all
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Unknown: Is he all in on climate change now now that he was
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almost died and from six more he's all
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John C Dvorak: in on cooking shrimp. So
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Unknown: it was a close call though for him?
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says he got it within like a foot of you
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know, flooding the house but the house never got flooded. The
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backyard was kind of ruined and the boat was lifted out of the
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out of his container there and dropped into, like almost
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dropped in the backyard. And he's asked friends who have
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boats on top of their houses. You know, can
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Unknown: I weep for their $100,000 boats? I don't I'm
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yeah,
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John C Dvorak: all those poor bastards in Florida. Damn, boats
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feel so
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Unknown: bad for but it's Tiki hut. So did the tiki hut get
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washed away?
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John C Dvorak: It didn't specifically ask but it sounded
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like he got wrecked.
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Unknown: Now because of Tiki out it's pretty cool that he has
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there was like
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John C Dvorak: any you know, it's a tiki hut. How hard can it
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be to rebuild it but he had some
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Unknown: Hawaiian guys or some mores come and build it you
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know?
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John C Dvorak: Well, probably still floating around building
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Tiki huts. Lord is needing more Tiki huts.
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Unknown: Literally. They're floating around. And thank you
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all for sending us your videos of fish swimming on the street.
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It's not quite flopping. You know? Like, oh, here's a here's
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a cat fish swimming around my hanger. Yeah, but the fish has
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to be flopping forte gotta be flopping for it to be Al Gore's
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prediction. You know they have to be flying. It shouldn't be
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Miami. There was a little missed say Fort
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John C Dvorak: Lauderdale anyplace else is not good.
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Unknown: Well, I think we need to get into the the incredible
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news of the week. Which I which I can summarize in 25 second
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clip at least. How the US News is a news with big air quotes.
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news media is handling this by listening to this. This clip
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from the five on Fox News. Oh,
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I don't even know if these leaks are real. I don't know if
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they're half real half true. That's true information. If it's
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all good, I don't even know I don't even know if I'm allowed
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to read the leaks does FoxNews have a policy that we
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are we used to think you can make them but if you actually if
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you this is kind of weird. If you have a classified security
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clearance, you are not allowed to read the Okay, even though
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they're on the front page of The New York Times. Okay.
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So this clip kind of sums it all up. What we're not talking about
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is the incredible news that was in the leaks. And one of those
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people on the five clearly has clearance and I think Dana
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Perino probably said Well you heard you can't read it if you
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if you have a clearance.
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John C Dvorak: What kind of by the way that goes. We've talked
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about this before on the show, that is plain idiotic. If you
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have clearance and that they should address this and stop it
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because for one thing It's giving away. This is like spy
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craft. It's giving away who the spies are. Yes, your role, I
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can't read it, but you can. Okay, well, then that means
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you're a spook and the other guy's not. If it's been if it's
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been published in the New York Times on the front page, by
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rule, it should be released to the people who have clearance,
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they should be able to now go see it. Same with WikiLeaks.
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It's ever I can read it, and you can read it and we're not
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spokes. A spokes should be able to read it to try to keep up
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with us. So So what's the logic here? I'm not getting it.
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Unknown: Okay. I do have a copy of the memorandum for senior
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Pentagon leadership commanders of the combatant commands
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Defense Agency and DOD field activity directors, which very
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clearly states do not access documents with classified
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markings from unclassified websites, as data may be
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classified. That is, Wow, it's so good. Now, my My sources tell
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me that the way this went down is is actually plausible, which
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I find fantastic. But the but the fact that belling cat is
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involved in this just screams bolt, not necessarily the
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information is bullcrap. But this was this was meant to be
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released. For a number of reasons I have to agree. So
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before we get into it, so I just tell you some of the things that
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are actually in the information.
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John C Dvorak: Let me just Well, I think are clear. Let's do the
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clips first because you have an interest because I think a lot
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of that will be in the clips. At least the clips I have from Amy
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Goodman.
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Unknown: Oh, I have warnings I only have the bullcrap. And five
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M stuff. I don't have anything of any value. They do let some
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John C Dvorak: Hold on a second. Can you repeat that again?
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Unknown: I don't have anything of any value
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John C Dvorak: there's no value because you only have M five M
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clips. Okay, of course
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Unknown: that's what we do. But there's value in deconstructing
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what they're saying. And there's value in what they're doing with
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this but not in the actual what's in the actual documents
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that that's what's so crazy.
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John C Dvorak: That Well luckily Amy maybe we should go to her
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morning, Amy Goodman flippin bound. False alarm. So let's
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start with leaker from NPR leaker one.
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Unknown: President Biden says he's directed the military and
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intelligence communities to take steps to further secure
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sensitive information. That's after a massive leak of
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sensitive documents came to light. On Friday, a 21 year old
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member of the Air National Guard named Jack to Shara appeared
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before a federal judge in Boston. He's facing charges that
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he leaked highly classified information that include details
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about Russian moves in Ukraine and the strength of the
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Ukrainian army. Joining us now to talk about all of this is
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MPRs. Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman. Good morning, Tom. Hey,
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miles. So what steps can the intelligence community even take
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after a breach like that? Well, the
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first thing, obviously, is to restrict access to who sees this
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kind of information. Now there are at least several 1000 People
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who have access to this classified information which
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came out of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon
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claiming did he just say the first thing we need to do is
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restrict people who have access from reading it is that come but
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I heard him say
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John C Dvorak: I thought I didn't think it was stopping
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from reading your stop stopping them from accessing it, bro.
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Okay. All right, which is kind of the same, but I don't think
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that's what he said. Okay. Yeah, no, let's go ahead. Number two.
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Unknown: Numero Oops, here. Yes, numero two.
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Tell me a little bit more time about why this leak matters more
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broadly.
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Well, I'm told the big problem is with release of these kinds
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of documents these sensitive documents is it alerts your
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adversaries. So the US is picking up electronic
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communications like phone calls or other information from the
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Russians. That will all quickly dry up because they can change
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phone numbers, radio frequencies, do forensics on
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which information came from which command in which location?
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It makes it much harder to glean information from the Russians
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huge problem.
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MPRs Tom Bowman thank you so much, Tom. You're welcome.
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What was that report?
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John C Dvorak: That would was that number two.
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Unknown: They're out of order because you have this weird
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exclamation mark. I'm sorry. That was number three. You
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titled them with exclamation marks and so it moved three
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above to sorry, was
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John C Dvorak: still says three.
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Unknown: I'm sorry.
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John C Dvorak: Okay, well, that was the end of it. Q I think is
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just pretend you didn't hear that. But now that I think about
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it wasn't that interesting. Number three. Let's go to number
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two, which is interesting. Okay.
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Unknown: Already the Pentagon is removing people from this
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information. I was talking with some folks last night who lost
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that access, and they have high level jobs. So that will
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continue as far as how many people they're restricting, we
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just don't know. And then
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there's this bigger question right of how did a 21 year old
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IT specialist working in an airbase in Cape Cod, even get
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access to this highly classified information?
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That's what the investigation will determine. And neither the
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Pentagon nor the Justice Department is really saying much
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at all. Right now, I spoke with a retired senior officer who did
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have access to this kind of intelligence, he speculates that
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to share likely gained access to something called the joint
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worldwide intelligence communication system, or Jay
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wicks, Pentagon likes acronyms. That's a secure internet system
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that would contain all kinds of top secret information. Now,
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that's how Chelsea Manning the former Army soldier, a
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whistleblower convicted back in 2013. That's how she was able to
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grab 1000s of documents and release them. Now. When that
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happened, the Pentagon and other agencies put a lot of controls
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over who had access, limiting them on a need to know basis.
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They created separate groups also subgroups. So let's say
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miles, you're an intelligence analyst or an officer working on
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Taiwan issues. After that you would not be able to have access
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to anything related to Ukraine. Or let's say you work the
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Ukrainian issue. Maybe you could see some intel on Ukraine, but
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not the more sensitive information such as you know,
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what's being picked up on Russian communications.
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Wow, they didn't give us anything either. Did they?
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John C Dvorak: know you're not gonna give it we get a little
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bit from Amy, which is coming up. But let's go back over what
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they said. Which is the their concern is not I mean, the
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Chelsea Manning thing happened. We remit we know that. So they
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supposedly said well, oh, geez, this is no good. Let's fix
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things. So. So now it's was fixed. And this guy in airman
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man, by the way people should be if you don't know, this, an
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Airman First Class is the same as a private first class in the
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army. Very low level. It's like RankBrain.
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Unknown: Basically, radar.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. Ray. Mash. Yeah. So you have this guy
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having access to all this stuff. And just, it's so deep homage
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stuff, he's got,
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Unknown: well, looks like we know from the past. And this
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goes back. Right back to the man demanding years. That the, the
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systems within Defense Department and you know,
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there's, this is what like, I think we have a clip, they call
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a journeyman for some reason, which basically is a contractor
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or he's contracted out to do different things. But when it
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comes to IT admin stuff, one of our producers literally was the
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SIS admin for the drone systems. And when that person she but
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when that person left she, you know, she was told I'll just
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stick to the admin password on a post it note on the on the
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monitor, you remember that?
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I do. And
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you know, and things were unencrypted, especially the
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drone signals were unencrypted. And that may have been fixed but
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that's the or not but now that you have these contracting
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entities that come in and so much changes and because you
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know, this is billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, we see
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it every single day and the the defense email, you know, $400
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million dollars one one bidder on the internet. I mean, this is
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a website just at the level that this stuff
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John C Dvorak: goes and when they're canceling that this this
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contracting thing is completely out of control in the military,
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where they're contracting out food services. Yeah. Is that
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what you remember when you when I was a kid there you always
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joke about why you getting the army do you do KP appeal to the
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potatoes? Nobody feels potatoes. You get Burger King? Yeah, or
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yeah, whatever, guys, the airlines It was horrible for
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Unknown: maps. Let me just run down a few that the BBC,
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interestingly enough, actually gave eight key takeaways of what
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the leaked Pentagon documents reveal. I thought that was
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surprising. The BBC. I'll just give you the headlines un boss
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to accommodating to Russia, which is Antonio Gutierrez. He
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was apparently too willing to accommodate Russian interests
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according to file so so cheap now he is. That's not good for
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the UN Secretary General was not a good look for him. Jordan
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feared Chinese retaliation over Huawei. Did you even hear about
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that being in these documents? Nope. No,
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John C Dvorak: no, no, the thing is you these documents are deep.
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Yes. And I'm sure this little list that you have here is
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something no one's heard about because no one's covering it.
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But that's the tip of the iceberg.
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Unknown: Russian infighting over Ukraine dead. So we know that
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it'd be a what's the real number? Western special forces
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operating inside Ukraine be including? The UK? Latvia,
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France, the US and the Netherlands? Well, that's called
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boots on the ground. Yep. US DIMMs hopes for Ukraine
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offensive. Egypt secretly planned to supply rockets to
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Russia. Yeah. South Korea torn on delivering weapons to
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Ukraine. Last night, we kind of knew that. China conducted
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experimental weapons tests with the hypersonic glide vehicle. I
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mean, these are kind of interesting things.
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John C Dvorak: Well, that takes us to me. No, I'm not going to
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play the warning. No, you don't have to play you already played
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at once. All right. So that's her report. And this was I
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think, on Friday, was a lot of a lot of little tidbits. And I'm
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going to play one of them because I think it's very
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interesting. And then I want to play an interview she did with
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this guy Bamford who's a spy. He writes books about display.
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Bamford we know this guy band for Don't ya? I can't remember
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his first name. He said he introduces them. But let's play
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leaks tidbits. This is I think this is interesting.
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Unknown: The leak of the documents has also revealed how
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the United States spied on its own allies. One like Pentagon
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memo alleges that the Mossad Israel spy agency had encouraged
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Israelis to take part in the massive protests against Prime
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Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is planned to gut the Israeli
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judiciary.
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John C Dvorak: So that was interesting. And by that I did a
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little research on this for previous show. This gutting the
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judiciary and the fact that the Mossad is turned against
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Netanyahu and everybody that working against him kind of like
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the way CIA did with Trump. Yep.
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Unknown: Not kind of exactly. If you if you look into this
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judiciary problem where, you know, 30% of the judiciary could
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determine anything they wanted. In Israel. It's very much like
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the CIA against Trump.
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John C Dvorak: So the what what Netanyahu wants to do? He thinks
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it's a problem that the judiciary has so much power, and
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they can pretty much just feed on any law that the Knesset and
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he and a buddy puts together and he doesn't like that. And I
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don't know if he's going to ever get that fixed. But there he's
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not trying to get them. What it is, is the other thing, which
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is, I think, more important, is that the way things are now, to
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get a new member into the judiciary, the old judiciary
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people, yeah, they decide, they decide they have to have it's
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got to be one of their buddies. So it's like is as if the
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Supreme Court all of a sudden could say, oh, you can't put him
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in it. Well, that's we need another conservative How would
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you like that situation to be like that? That's no good.
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Unknown: Yeah, in fact, they they say that democracy is over
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in, in Israel. I didn't play Oh, I don't have a whole bunch of
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clips on this. And all this demonstration was basically like
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Black Lives Matter, you know, outraged leftists who are just
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causing a ruckus making it look like the whole country was
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against Netanyahu. Yeah. Which is far from the truth. This
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James Bamford guy. You trust him?
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John C Dvorak: I like what he's got to say in this in these. I
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don't distrust him,
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Unknown: because he's basically just a journalist and author. He
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has no end he's a Berkeley alum.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, they because that's not
24:15
Unknown: good. No, that's striking. Well, hello, there you
24:19
go. Now we know why your he's your buddy. Okay, let's go.
24:23
John C Dvorak: Okay, let's go with the part one. And this is
24:26
not the clip that you'll get a kick out of one of these clips.
24:30
So this part one
24:31
Unknown: many of the documents are based on information
24:33
gathered by some of the most secret wings of the US
24:36
intelligence community, including National
24:38
Reconnaissance Office, the NRO National Geospatial Intelligence
24:42
Agency, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and
24:46
Research the Pentagon's dia Defense Intelligence Agency, and
24:50
the National Security Agency, the NSA. We go now to Washington
24:55
DC, where we're joined by James Bamford longtime investigative
24:58
journalist and author for cuts down the intelligence community
25:01
in 1982, he published the puzzle Palace, the first book exposing
25:05
the inner workings of the NSA, the National Security Agency,
25:08
his latest book, just out is called spy fail, foreign spies,
25:13
moles, saboteurs and the collapse of America's counter
25:17
intelligence. Jim, welcome back to Democracy Now. It's great to
25:20
have you with us again. Why don't you just start off by as
25:25
you evaluate what has been released this intelligence, if
25:31
it's real, and it by all accounts, it looks real. of the
25:35
US spying on adversaries and allies. I talk about what's most
25:40
significant and where are these documents are from?
25:43
Well, in terms of significance, I think the most significant
25:47
outcome of this is, is a danger that we may lose actual human
25:53
beings and in Russia, because a lot of the documents indicate
25:57
that we have collected information from the inner
26:01
workings of the Russian government, the intelligence
26:04
services and the military. So there are people that may be
26:09
giving us information. And now that these documents have come
26:13
out, it gives the Russians that opportunity to do a more hunt
26:17
the hunt for people who are giving that information away. As
26:22
a matter of fact, officials told The New York Times in The
26:25
Washington Post that the revelations might lead Russian
26:30
mole hunters to the doorsteps of Americans faiz in their ranks,
26:35
machine roll mole hunters so that kind of explains the Wall
26:39
Street Journal guy maybe. Yvonne golden off? Yeah. Well, he's,
26:45
you know, he's been detained in Russia as a spy. All right,
26:49
John C Dvorak: right. Right, right. Yeah.
26:50
Unknown: Mole Hunter, Russian mo hunter. I
26:52
like that. Yeah, hunting for moles. That
26:54
sounds like a good reality show. Russian, that would be a great
26:58
reality. So we should we should talk to Burnett about it.
27:01
John C Dvorak: Okay, on to get clipped to his more kind of a
27:03
background or just a basic thing, before we get to the good
27:06
one,
27:07
Unknown: what they call sources of methods, both human and
27:11
technical that were released by the documents. Now, strangely,
27:15
it mostly documents that are leaked appear in major news
27:21
organizations and New York Times, Washington Post, Wall
27:23
Street Journal, whatever. They never appear on gaming
27:28
platforms. So this is a first for that. It's hard to say why
27:34
any of this stuff is appearing, or why it's appearing on those
27:38
platforms. Using this three reasons for spying. That was one
27:43
of the reasons I wrote spy failed, because there are so
27:45
many spies out there that the US never ends up catching. And
27:51
there's three main reasons one is money. Obviously, most spies,
27:56
so want to sell secrets for money. Another is ideological,
28:00
they want to help a foreign government. They don't care much
28:05
about money. And the third reason is basically the thrill.
28:09
Or I'll say, anger. So that could be the reason that these
28:16
documents were released. The third reason anger, somebody was
28:19
angry, and they decided that they're just going to put these
28:22
documents on whatever platform they happen to be using. So it's
28:26
very hard to hard to know, the key point is that the government
28:30
keeps losing documents.
28:33
Now, for some reason, I get a high like, magenic vibe from
28:38
this whole thing. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just because
28:42
he's right book writes books and stuff. I don't know.
28:45
John C Dvorak: Maybe I mean, you should you go with your gut.
28:48
Yeah. But I want you to listen to this last clip from this guy.
28:51
All right, which is the wild clip. And I want you to tell me,
28:57
if you've heard of any of this, because you brought up something
29:01
earlier with one of the clips that came out at the beginning.
29:03
They said John ever heard of that? Never knew that. We're
29:07
starting to do things that are in this. Things are revealing,
29:10
but he just talks about stuff that he's been been discovering
29:14
over time. And I'd like to know why we don't know any of this
29:19
Unknown: is that the government keeps losing documents. A few
29:23
years ago, just a few years ago, the NSA lost upwards of half a
29:30
billion documents. Employees just walking out the door with
29:34
these documents. They lost three quarters of cyber weapons, the
29:40
United States cyber weapons, the NSA, lost three quarters of
29:44
them. Somebody stole them and put them up on auction. The
29:48
North Koreans ended up getting the cyber weapons and so did the
29:52
Russians. And they turned him on the United States. So there is a
29:56
complete lack of accountability. already when it comes to
30:02
classified information, top secret documents and so forth,
30:07
walks out the door and nobody ever gets fired. Is he
30:11
is now easy confusing it with vault nine, which was the CIA
30:15
tools?
30:16
John C Dvorak: I don't think so he's talking about NSA tools.
30:19
Were so they
30:19
Unknown: don't share their tools. There's no I would say no
30:22
tool sharing going. You think I'm probably not? Okay. So part
30:28
of this.
30:29
John C Dvorak: I know. And then those were just freely
30:31
available, the east side about stuff that was stolen, and then
30:34
auction to the North Koreans. On the block on the dark web,
30:40
Unknown: he should have said, and they paid for it in Bitcoin
30:42
that would have completed it
30:44
John C Dvorak: would have been interesting. It probably did,
30:45
actually. But the point is, is that I didn't know of this.
30:50
Unknown: No, this I had not heard either, but it's it sounds
30:53
a bit like volt nine.
30:55
John C Dvorak: But volt nine wasn't auctioned. As true. It's
30:58
true.
31:00
Unknown: So here's what I get a little bit from this. A bit of a
31:04
like Q anon bait. Yeah. So a lot of this may be true. Most of all
31:12
of it may be true. But it just seems like why is this why are
31:17
we only hearing about this? Now? Why do we, your point is valid?
31:21
Why are we only hearing about these tools that walked out the
31:24
door now? Why did we hear this before? Why is this
31:28
John C Dvorak: where they were in his book? So the book has
31:30
been out so well? How can we didn't hear about and why did we
31:34
not hear about it then? Because who's going to cover it? Nobody
31:38
because they're all because they're all read in? They they
31:42
can't look at this stuff. I think the media is so read in
31:47
and so.
31:49
Unknown: Oh, yeah, five by five all the way. They're all they
31:53
all have class. I think they all have clearance. Yeah. And
31:57
John C Dvorak: because of the stupid rule that if you have
31:59
clearance, you can't look at this stuff. That's why they read
32:02
those domains. Why
32:03
Unknown: Dana Perino said it she said that not for not for anyone
32:07
watching Fox News. No she said it for her colleagues. Hey boys,
32:11
John C Dvorak: boys and girls to MIT just to remind them so
32:14
Unknown: let's listen to the M five M and maybe we can pick up
32:17
some things because a lot of this feels very set up. Again,
32:25
somehow I get this Q anon vibe with whenever I hear discord and
32:28
then belling cat and 4chan or belling
32:31
John C Dvorak: cat No. Let's stop Bellingcat was involved in
32:34
you and belling cat. Anytime you hear belling cat that is the red
32:39
flag for you major Yes,
32:42
Unknown: it is. Yes Bellingcat is a bull crap organization that
32:46
is that when they're involved in NBC is quoting them meal like Oh
32:50
yeah. Alright, so here's ABC This is Martha Raddatz.
32:55
He sat on his parents back deck a news helicopter hovering
33:00
overhead.
33:00
Okay, so right there. Why did the news helicopter have no
33:04
right away to be there? They were they were they were clued
33:08
in because this is a true FBI. FBI in in armored vehicles with
33:16
flak flak jacket with with camo
33:19
John C Dvorak: flak jackets and the camo and the troop carrier.
33:24
Come on. So oh, by the way, so I mentioned in the newsletter that
33:28
there was one female FBI agent, yeah, no helmet with no helmet
33:32
and somebody wrote me an email one of our producers send in a
33:35
note intonations, she said, or he said that it was probably
33:41
done on purpose to make it clear to everyone that they had enough
33:44
diversity that they wouldn't have a female there and they had
33:47
to make clear. Yes. Yeah, exact good points. So she can't wear
33:51
the helmet because you wouldn't know no man. That would be that
33:55
which makes it even more of a charade.
33:58
Unknown: Yep. So when you have the news helicopter and they
34:00
don't have the guy in custody, they're still getting him.
34:02
That's a setup. They Yeah, they told the news media we're gonna
34:06
go get him. He
34:07
sat on his parents back deck, a news helicopter hovering
34:11
overhead as an FBI SWAT teams want full tactical gear of
34:16
kroetsch This is the moment they arrested the young man
34:20
authorities believe may be responsible for the massive leak
34:24
of top secret again.
34:26
John C Dvorak: So is there at your day do due diligence on
34:31
these things? Because it seems to me that there was no way that
34:35
a SWAT team was necessary because unless they don't know
34:39
anything. They're completely idiots and they don't know who
34:43
this guy is wearing anything about him. They've done no work
34:47
whatsoever. They think is the you know, I don't know what
34:50
they're expecting from this family with a kid 21 year old
34:54
Airman First Class that they would come in with full force a
34:58
SWAT team unless they don't know what they're doing, or I don't
35:03
believe that
35:04
Unknown: now it's just a full setup. It's a fault. This is
35:06
this is television magic and authorities
35:08
believe may be responsible for the massive leak of top secret
35:12
information that has rattled America and our allies around
35:16
the world. 21 year old Sherif with his hands on
35:20
a could they get the age, right? That's 20s 21 And no one has the
35:23
age and a consistent
35:24
21 year old jack to share with his hands on his head, walking
35:29
out of his family home in North Dighton Massachusetts, agents
35:33
ordered him to turn around and slowly he backs towards them. He
35:38
is seized, taken into custody and led to an SUV
35:42
John C Dvorak: shop again. He's not led to an SUV. He's led to a
35:47
troop carrier. He sits on the back of it. Now. First of all, I
35:53
Unknown: do have my clips. I love this Kiki Patek
35:56
John C Dvorak: Bhagawan. Thank you, Kara. So he comes out his
36:03
hands on his his walk and they tell him to turn around and walk
36:06
backwards. Why?
36:09
Unknown: Well, because you know, he might have a Ninja throwing
36:11
star.
36:12
John C Dvorak: Well, if he does, he might be in the front.
36:14
Unknown: But while you're he could whip it out.
36:18
John C Dvorak: He's not going to care in the back necessarily.
36:21
But what is the point of what just what is the point if he's
36:24
coming out? Come on. He's got his hands behind his back. He's
36:27
walking toward them. Now turn around and walk backwards. What
36:31
is the point? I'm asking? Is there a law enforcement people
36:35
out there? What is the point of the stupidity he could trip over
36:38
a rock walking backwards? He can't see where he's going. It's
36:42
stupid. And if he trips over a rock and falls on his Astor they
36:45
shoot him.
36:48
Unknown: Why didn't they rush him?
36:51
John C Dvorak: Again, why didn't they rush? Well, that's a good
36:53
point is SWAT
36:54
Unknown: they should have done this with Trump. That would have
36:56
been great. Make him turn backwards walk backwards into
36:58
the courthouse.
36:59
Today the Justice Department arrested Jack Douglas to share a
37:04
connection with an investigation into a lead
37:06
and I'm amazed everyone knew how to pronounce his name I look at
37:08
that name and like texture was so what tissue Bucha two
37:10
John C Dvorak: could you if there was a kid in my when I was
37:13
named
37:14
Unknown: Jack Douglas to share a connection with an investigation
37:18
into alleged unauthorized removal, retention and
37:21
transmission of classified national defense information
37:24
to share with a low ranking enlisted airmen IT specialist
37:29
for the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard
37:33
at Otis Air Force Base in Cape Cod ever since the story of the
37:37
massive leak exploded into the headlines. The Pentagon and FBI
37:41
have been on the hunt for the culprit. Was it a spy? Was it a
37:45
rogue foreign power? Then overnight, a blockbuster report
37:49
in The Washington Post describing the man behind the LI
37:53
not as an international criminal mastermind, but as a young man
37:57
trying to impress a small group of other young men and teenagers
38:02
in a 25 person invitation only chat group online gaming forum
38:08
discord,
38:09
so they don't even really know what Discord is. And that's kind
38:12
of fun. Do you have discord? Discord servers, you know, you
38:16
have discord itself? You know, they immediately say it's
38:20
associated with a game well, yeah, it is. But not necessarily
38:23
lots of people have discord servers. This This guy also
38:27
sounds to me not like a sysadmin he sounds more like the guy who
38:31
fixes your laptop. You know what I mean? So maybe there was a
38:36
laptop open a you know, I can't fix something I can't print.
38:40
Typical. Oh, I'll print for you. Let's let's that's whoa, this
38:46
too. I know from from my dudes named Ben. There's the tune top
38:51
of it. Specialist demands one. My password doesn't work, which
38:56
is typically because the Caps Lock is on. And the other is I
39:00
can't print. So someone's over there. I can't print Oh, would
39:03
you look at this not printed for you don't worry, because it was
39:06
printed out and then fold it up. He did not exfiltrate it with a
39:12
USB drive or anything. You printed it which should be
39:16
pretty easy. You know, as you have told us for years that all
39:21
printers have markings on them. So you can find out exactly
39:25
which printer printed out a document Correct?
39:30
John C Dvorak: Yep. They put the little light yellow codes that
39:34
you can't see with the naked eye. So that would all printers
39:38
have is it was the idea was and it's not well known, but it's a
39:43
fact because it's to prevent counter as the catch
39:47
counterfeiters that use ink Jetson laser printers
39:51
Unknown: now we continue the posts
39:52
that are talking to one of those teams appearing in shadow with
39:56
his mother's permission. This
39:58
I love so this guy In this team, this team who guess was under
40:05
18. And Og, as they called him was his best friend. Now, you
40:10
know, this is all too stupid this is actually insulting to
40:15
our intelligence. But you know, hey, you know, we cover this
40:17
host talking to one of those teams appearing in shadow with
40:21
his mother's permission. He described the person who he said
40:25
posted all those classified documents.
40:28
He was a young charismatic man who loved nature God, who loved
40:34
shooting guns and racing cars.
40:37
John C Dvorak: Isn't this a clip? You played last show? I
40:41
think so. No. Yeah. You somebody Have you played this clip? No,
40:45
I'm not talking about that clip. You're playing now. I'm talking
40:46
about this kid. Different play this sub clip.
40:51
Unknown: This is different. This is by the way that people are
40:53
questioning your printer story saying that sounds like some
40:56
Steve pathetic bullcrap. We're not talking about the quantum
40:59
watermarks. Okay. Just explain how you know this.
41:04
John C Dvorak: From a printer maker. Yeah. I was told about
41:08
this. Probably in the late 80s. Yeah, they had here's the
41:13
problem. The laser printers in particular, were getting so good
41:19
that you could print a you know, $100 Bill $20 bills, mostly 20s
41:23
People were started printing these things on these early
41:25
laser printers. And so something had to be done to track them
41:28
down. And so they developed this idea of printing these very
41:31
light, serial, essentially, it's a serial number of dots of very
41:39
super light yellow dots that can be detected with if you put them
41:42
under a microscope, you can find him just run a couple of blank
41:45
sheets of paper through your printer. And you'll see these
41:48
little don't necessarily appear on a blank sheet. You have to
41:53
print something I got to print out Yeah, because otherwise they
41:57
heads just gonna stay there. But it's on ink jets and I'm pretty
42:00
sure it's on ink. Jess was on ink Jensen lasers. I stand with
42:03
you on this one. It makes sense. Of course. Why wouldn't you do
42:07
this?
42:08
Unknown: Onward who loved shooting guns and
42:11
I love I love the bringing some white Christian stuff with this
42:14
as always good and racing
42:15
cars. God did have sort of a bossy attitude at some points,
42:18
but it was more of a fatherly bossy. He did see himself as the
42:21
leader of this group and ultimately he was leader of this
42:23
group. This this this
42:25
kids I mean, does it sound like your typical 17 year old or 16
42:28
year old? Boy is this someone talking about him? I'm unsure
42:32
he said that starting?
42:36
John C Dvorak: No, the teen she said this kid that's talking is
42:39
a supposedly the 1718 year old that doesn't sound like to meet
42:43
the man who sounds more mature. Sounds more matured? And he's
42:46
he's not. He's a plant?
42:48
Unknown: Yes. where's the where's Have you heard 16 and 17
42:52
year olds talk like, like, he was kind of like the leader like
42:56
of the group. You know, like he was the OG I sit with him. This
43:01
is not that guy
43:02
wants but it was more of a father. He did see himself as
43:05
the leader of this group, and ultimately, he was leader of
43:07
this group.
43:08
The team said that starting last fall, the man who he called OG
43:12
posted hundreds of pages of classified documents to impress
43:16
his friends in the group.
43:18
The documents were often listed as Ukraine versus Russia at
43:22
first, however, it slowly spiraled into just intelligence
43:26
about everything. How did that feel to know things before the
43:29
rest of the world? It felt like I was on top of Mount Everest, I
43:33
felt like I was above everyone else to some degree. And that
43:37
John C Dvorak: allowed stop. So you you're a theory that this is
43:42
a plan. Of course, he's obscured because his mom wouldn't let you
43:47
talk about what his mom
43:48
Unknown: let him tell you. How can we just have one of those
43:50
voice changers?
43:53
John C Dvorak: But he definitely needs one because it does sound
43:56
to you sounds like he's in his 20s or 30s. And so it doesn't
44:02
make sense what he's saying that you know, okay, so I'm a 17 year
44:07
old and I'm getting I'm in a discord chat room I'm talking
44:10
about some games I'm you're doing deconstructions of of
44:13
different strategies so we can have something to do with who
44:16
knows what and the all of a sudden you get a bunch of
44:20
classified top secret documents about the relationship of Poland
44:25
to the Lithuania to to the Jewish Mossad stuff. And now you
44:30
feel like you're on top of the world mount
44:33
Unknown: Mount Everest mountain
44:34
John C Dvorak: Mount Everest. Really? Even if I saw that
44:38
stuff, I wouldn't feel that way.
44:41
Unknown: Where's What is this Mount Everest coming from? Hello
44:44
1980 Who's all like they're like I was on top of Mount Everest.
44:48
Today we'd say something else helped me out drills. I might be
44:53
right
44:53
John C Dvorak: about that. That's a good catch. Just
44:55
doesn't find it doesn't sound right. Yeah. You wouldn't be
44:57
saying stuff that you know here. Welcome to the seven You know,
45:01
Unknown: I felt like I was on top of Mount Everest. I felt
45:04
like I was above everyone else to some degree. And that I
45:09
would, I'd be able to brag to some people that I knew stuff
45:12
that they didn't. But in
45:13
the months that followed, the documents were shared well
45:16
beyond that small chat group. That Post reporter also viewed
45:20
video of the man identified as OG standing at a shooting range
45:25
with a rifle yelling racial and anti semitic slurs before firing
45:30
his weapon.
45:32
John C Dvorak: All right. Let's throw that in.
45:36
Unknown: Hey, you black Jew. I hate you. And why don't we see
45:42
why don't we have this video? This is dynamite stuff. We need
45:44
this video.
45:45
John C Dvorak: We got the kid. Yeah, I'm still waiting for the
45:48
manifesto from the shooter. Yeah, right. We're not seeing
45:51
that either. All right, I'm
45:52
Unknown: standing at a shooting range with a rifle yelling
45:55
racial and anti semitic slurs before firing his weapon at a
46:00
target. But when the story of the leaks mushroomed into an
46:03
international crisis, the teen said, Oh gee became alarmed. He
46:08
says, Oh, gee said goodbye to the group. Just a few days ago,
46:12
he was just saying that this may be the last year overseas
46:15
advice. And he was thanking us for all the good times that we
46:18
had together and hoping that everything would blow over
46:23
was going to kill himself is going to blow himself up.
46:26
John C Dvorak: So do they have copies of these? This transcript
46:30
if
46:30
Unknown: we have not seen that we have not seen you think it'd
46:33
be easy to get? This is a dynamite report. By the way.
46:37
That's what ABC has gone above and beyond to give us great
46:41
content. Thank you. Thank you, Martha. Martha, as
46:43
you noted there, Jack to Shara is a very low ranking member of
46:47
the armed services, raising even more questions, a question about
46:50
why he had such access to top secret information.
46:54
You know what, he may not even have been approved to see what
46:57
he allegedly copied. We just don't know that yet. But he was
47:01
an IT specialist, meaning he may have computers there. All right,
47:06
information.
47:06
Yeah, he worked on computers that hack. And I think that that
47:10
sounds like the perfect honeypot? Yeah, there's there's
47:14
plenty of thinking out there that this need, maybe not all of
47:18
this. But some of this needed to come out. Some of it needs to be
47:21
talked about because of the obvious poor situation in
47:24
Ukraine. And we need to back out of that. And, you know, we need
47:28
to start preparing people for the fact that this is going to
47:31
be another Afghanistan debacle is no good. And here's the final
47:36
clip in the series. Hey, Martha.
47:38
We know it's early in the investigation, but what are you
47:40
learning about whether the Pentagon will reassess who can
47:43
see these kinds of classified documents in the future? Well,
47:47
already today, the
47:47
Secretary of Defense has ordered a review of who gets access to
47:51
top secret documents and how that information is handled and
47:55
contained.
47:56
Wow, you'd think they'd have done that. As you pointed out,
47:59
you know, maybe Chelsea Manning might have been the time to do
48:01
that. Or no, no, no, though. This smells let's go to NBC.
48:06
Let's see what would they have over there new information
48:09
tonight about the Chinese spy balloon shot down earlier this
48:12
year. The details coming from the classified documents
48:15
allegedly leaked by 21 year old National Guard airman jack to
48:19
share I hadn't heard
48:20
about this there's balloon information that he's leaked
48:24
now.
48:24
John C Dvorak: Now it's becoming more obvious as something is
48:28
amiss because it does this like we've dug ourselves into a bunch
48:33
of different holes that we can't seem to get ourselves out of. So
48:36
let's leak our own information so it so we can always go well
48:40
you know yeah it sounds like that from the front from the you
48:43
know what you're what the public facing that doesn't look good
48:47
but you but you as you can tell back here and back in the back
48:52
we've already determined that this and that and the other
48:55
thing so it looks like a cover your ass situation that's very I
49:00
mean this is our these all seem to be cover your ass I mean okay
49:04
yeah sure we got and also burned a few bridges that you might
49:08
want to burn out let's see if we were burned the UN guy he's told
49:12
Let's burn them aside or not? Or whatever that's all about we
49:17
don't know for sure. Yeah, yeah, this burn Let's burn this stupid
49:21
Ukraine war that we're going broke send his stuff over
49:24
because we got to start concentrating on China's How
49:26
about
49:26
Unknown: this? How about a consolidation of intelligence
49:29
power? Because what you're not hearing here is CIA's not
49:34
getting burned.
49:38
John C Dvorak: No, that's an interesting theory too. I think
49:40
well, there could be that could be involved that could be part
49:42
of it.
49:42
Unknown: Alright, let's go to
49:44
John C Dvorak: cover your ass moment
49:46
Unknown: was reports that Chinese spy balloon carried
49:48
sensors and antennas and that the US knew of up to four
49:52
additional Chinese spy balloons. The paper also reporting on
49:55
Taiwan's vulnerability to a Chinese attack citing a pentagon
49:59
assessment meant that China would quickly gain air
50:02
superiority if it invaded Taiwan. There are also new
50:05
insights tonight into why the US government didn't know for
50:08
months that state secrets had been posted online at issue the
50:12
limits on what kind of checks are done on the 1.3 million
50:16
Americans with top secret security clearance. Critics say
50:20
the government now can't keep track of all the people with
50:23
access to sensitive information
50:25
Okay, all right. This is now this this is turning into
50:27
something good because I have a feeling that all the exactly
50:31
what you said all these things we're hearing they're not even
50:33
in the documents. We haven't seen all we've seen is some maps
50:37
of Ukraine a couple we haven't seen any of this. Where is it?
50:41
Where are these documents? Where these hundreds of documents
50:44
where are they? Where are they? I mean if they were on Discord
50:49
they've been copied they've been distributed everywhere where are
50:52
how come I have Why Why don't I have a copy?
50:55
John C Dvorak: No, you probably should so I'm thinking another
50:57
thing here and this was I think this is brought up with some
51:01
other situation we had where this were first released or at
51:04
least started to get released a good ones months ago. So they're
51:10
getting released and Amanda guys who are doing the planning for
51:13
this whole scam, just saying okay, we got these releases. We
51:16
got that release this guy's printing it let's see wait to
51:19
the news media catches it. week goes by
51:23
Unknown: or maybe it's just maybe it's just
51:25
John C Dvorak: no, no, let me finish. Okay, so the week goes
51:27
by planning nobody picks up on it. Another week goes by nobody
51:30
picks up on it. Another week goes by nobody picks up on it.
51:33
Nobody's picking up on what's going on. They freak out. And
51:38
this is all you know, this is should have started a month ago
51:41
because it's costing us money with the stuff we're sending to
51:43
Ukraine. I think this whole thing was had to be blown out by
51:48
the Intel people themselves because the news media was so
51:52
lacks that they couldn't catch this thing going on. Don't you
51:57
think?
51:58
Unknown: Possible I just when you say planning department, I
52:00
just I just visualize these guys with Gantt charts on the wall
52:03
you know, planning department. Yeah. Leaking planning
52:07
department. Well, let's see. There's more MVC here.
52:09
He is just the latest 20 Something accused of leaking.
52:12
There's a lot about 20 somethings to I'm hearing a lot
52:15
about 20 Somethings young people good 20 Somethings 20 Somethings
52:18
low level low level as a lot of a lot of the memes going on here
52:22
from the mainstream.
52:23
He is just the latest 20 Something accused of leaking top
52:26
secret information. Jack to share. Oh wait.
52:32
John C Dvorak: I know we're never gonna get through these
52:33
clips.
52:34
Unknown: I enjoyed this so much. No, wait, but wait.
52:37
John C Dvorak: He's the latest. Yeah, exactly. 20 something who
52:40
are the other ones there? You gotta been leaking top secret
52:43
document. I
52:44
Unknown: must have missed something. PS the idol remember
52:47
John C Dvorak: this?
52:48
Unknown: Troll room. What other 20 Somethings were involved in
52:53
this?
52:56
John C Dvorak: It Back it up and he didn't listen to that little
52:58
ditty again.
52:59
Unknown: He's just the latest 20 Something accused of leaking top
53:03
secret information.
53:06
I mean, reality winner maybe. But she was she's now 15. That
53:10
was so long ago. Right. Snowden wasn't 20 something more? Maybe
53:15
he was? No, I
53:16
John C Dvorak: don't think so. I think it was 3030. That's 10
53:20
years ago, and that's 10 years old. It's not the latest. So
53:23
it's not the latest? It's a reemergence you could say maybe
53:28
but I don't think that snowed in applies to Snowden definitely
53:31
doesn't apply to Assange. The guy's 90
53:35
Unknown: poor poor
53:37
John C Dvorak: looks nary for guards.
53:38
Unknown: I mean, yeah, I guess I guess you could say that. But
53:40
how about this 20 Somethings are a problem. We got to do
53:44
something with them
53:45
jack to share his job as a cyber transport systems journeyman
53:49
cyber transport systems journeyman.
53:53
John C Dvorak: That means he took out the removable hard
53:56
disks cyber cyber transfer and then he put a new disc in there
54:00
Unknown: cyber transport jerk but journeyman isn't journeyman
54:03
someone who was hired gun for something.
54:07
John C Dvorak: No journeyman ism is a guy who is adept and is
54:12
highly qualified for his for a for a layer of of jobs. He's an
54:17
attorney knows what he's doing.
54:22
Unknown: Now, historically speaking, a trained worker who
54:25
was employed by someone else
54:30
John C Dvorak: okay, but in the labor force, it's a guy who
54:33
knows what he's doing is a journeyman the book of
54:35
knowledge. began her a new guy or what Okay, well, he's
54:39
Unknown: cyber transport. This is new cyber transport jacked as
54:45
a removable
54:46
John C Dvorak: hard disk.
54:47
Unknown: job as a cyber transport systems, journeyman
54:51
and it worker with
54:52
no transport systems. That means he worked on cars, trucks, cars
54:57
and trucks.
54:58
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he's a good He was a good guy when it came
55:01
to automatic transmissions. I guarantee you
55:03
Unknown: there's there's men and women in our armed forces who
55:06
are rolling their eyes at us right now I'm going to already
55:09
writing emails and I can't wait to read them back to
55:11
share with us job as a cyber transport systems journeyman and
55:15
it worker with access to secret systems require that he was at
55:19
least 17 hold a driver's license and undergo 18 months of
55:23
training.
55:24
That sounds good enough for for sure.
55:27
John C Dvorak: Go for it
55:28
Unknown: sounds good.
55:29
John C Dvorak: That's the way to keep our secrets give it to a 17
55:31
year old
55:32
Unknown: four star general Barry McCaffrey no question you
55:35
shouldn't have had even a remote access to that kind of
55:38
information. Nor should the Air National Guard. I mean, at the
55:43
end of the day, it's a compromise. But veteran
55:47
intelligence experts say 1.3 million Americans have access to
55:51
top secret information from Mila.
55:54
It is my understanding that there's more like 3 million
55:57
Americans Here they come again with 1.3 million I think and 10.
56:01
Could even be that. Well, the classification. I don't know if
56:04
it's top secret, but we always heard it was about 3 million top
56:08
secret. Class people love top secret clearance. And they keep
56:12
NBC keeps throwing out this 1.3 million but they can't keep
56:16
track of them.
56:17
Okay, top secret information from military and government
56:20
workers to outside contractors. And the military has always
56:24
relied on 20 Somethings
56:27
Did you there it is again. 20 Somethings. So this is a hit job
56:31
on the military to you stupid military, you can't rely on 20
56:35
Somethings,
56:36
it's the very youngest members of the service that have the
56:39
skill sets and talents inside.
56:42
Ah, there it is. Because only the 20 Somethings can understand
56:47
discord to become administrators
56:50
of their systems
56:51
need to know is based on patriotism, trust and threat of
56:54
prosecution that you'll never disclose national secrets for
56:58
the rest of your life or face possible prison time
57:01
need to know and patriotism I didn't can you measure
57:04
patriotism? What's interesting, and you know I do have no CBS
57:10
clips just again tells me that some of this is CIA CIA throwing
57:17
it's gonna be
57:18
John C Dvorak: a massive up, it could be CIA versus dia.
57:22
Unknown: Well,
57:23
John C Dvorak: I don't think that that battle needs to be
57:25
done in this manner, which is fine. It just is some sort of an
57:29
if it's some sort of if it's some sort of an OP, which it
57:32
looks like more and more as deconstruct we have to figure
57:37
out why. And I think I'm going to stick with my theory which is
57:41
a cover your ass situation. They're going to burn a few
57:44
people so what we got to stop this Ukraine war we've got to
57:48
deal with this and we got to deal with that. We got to let it
57:51
be known that we've already we knew about this all along. The
57:54
Chinese balloon was no surprise and all the other bull crap they
57:59
canceled explain. Right back to NBC.
58:01
Unknown: He is just the latest 20 Something accused of leaking
58:04
top secret information. 23 year old Chelsea Manning provided
58:08
some 100,000 documents to WikiLeaks
58:10
John C Dvorak: 23 There it is. Here's
58:12
Unknown: your 23 So these are all dumb shits can't believe it.
58:17
John C Dvorak: They're not dumb shits are untrustworthy.
58:19
Unknown: 29 year old Edward Snowden to Russia Okay there it
58:23
is.
58:23
Now we now we understand it's the 29 year olds that the
58:26
military employs the military is partly hit job on dia
58:30
us secrets jack to share us job as a cyber transport systems
58:35
journeyman and it worker with access to secret systems require
58:39
that he was at least 17 hold a driver's license. And
58:43
I think the judge does not play this clip. I'm sorry. Back to
58:47
now Hallie jumping up now we get into a couple other issues
58:50
because the big thing on twitter etc. Is this is this is to to
58:58
hurry along the Restrict act. And we kind of had that initial
59:04
thinking as well because they were talking about Oh, it's on
59:06
social media, social media, but now it's no longer on social
59:09
media. Now it's on the focus on Discord and private chats.
59:15
ADC news is learning tonight that Intel agencies are looking
59:17
to change how they monitor chat rooms and social media online
59:21
According to multiple sources familiar with this, after that
59:24
huge leak of sensitive Pentagon documents on Discord. Apparently
59:28
they're looking to expand now how many kinds of sites like
59:31
this day watch? After all of that classified information was
59:35
exposed, it was mostly related to the war in Ukraine. The
59:38
Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of
59:42
these super sensitive documents. Just hang it out for maybe weeks
59:45
without
59:46
just hanging out. What does that what is that Hallie Jackson?
59:51
Hanging out,
59:52
John C Dvorak: but like he does that every so often with her
59:54
presentation. She does that little high voice kind of
59:57
borderline squeal
1:00:01
Unknown: Like limited hanging out,
1:00:04
the Pentagon really showing it does not want a repeat at all of
1:00:07
these super sensitive documents just hanging out for maybe weeks
1:00:10
without anybody noticing. And this is Dan Deleuze is joining
1:00:13
us now. So
1:00:15
they have this discord chat sound going on in the
1:00:18
background, which is I think meant to to aggravate your
1:00:23
nervous system for some reason is really bad. You are
1:00:26
among the team reporting on this you currently others? What are
1:00:29
the changes these Intel agencies want to make here? Like is this
1:00:33
getting more staff looking at places more discord, other
1:00:36
corners of the internet, etc?
1:00:37
corners of the internet? Like those damn podcast?
1:00:41
Yes, it is. And of course, there's no guarantee it's still
1:00:44
really difficult. Right? Right. And the problem is
1:00:47
what's really difficult, right? What is so difficult, right? You
1:00:50
guys own? Own the wires, you can look at anything you want.
1:00:54
You've got room 204, whatever it was, you copy the internet in
1:00:58
Utah, how difficult is it right?
1:01:00
Yes, it is. And of course, there's no guarantee it's still
1:01:04
really difficult, right? And the problem is, these documents
1:01:07
appeared in a pretty obscure corner of the internet. And what
1:01:11
is
1:01:11
this corner is it square
1:01:16
John C Dvorak: is a big square. And there's a corner
1:01:19
Unknown: where we're in the corner
1:01:21
of the unit. And the problem is these documents appeared in a
1:01:24
pretty obscure corner of the internet and discord, the social
1:01:28
app where they first appeared, it is known by cyber experts as
1:01:32
a place where you can kind of move illicit data, that it's a
1:01:36
place where sometimes criminals put out malware or stolen data.
1:01:40
So some critics are saying the US should have been a little bit
1:01:43
more vigilant. On the other hand, we can't watch everything.
1:01:47
So they're trying to expand the number of sites they'll look at.
1:01:50
They're also looking at restricting how many people get
1:01:54
access to some of this classified information to try to
1:01:57
reduce the risk.
1:02:00
restrict how many people get access to reduce the risk. I
1:02:06
think you're right. At this point, it's just a thing. It's
1:02:10
just the discord server and the 20 Somethings, and you can say
1:02:14
whatever you want. Well, you know, we all know that that
1:02:17
information was leaked out by the 20 Somethings on the discord
1:02:20
in a corner of the internet. You can just say it, we haven't seen
1:02:23
we have no proof of what they're saying. We have no proof. We
1:02:27
have a common I've seen five, six images of maps that are
1:02:31
folded. What have you seen? Have you seen more than that?
1:02:34
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's a lot more than that. I've seen
1:02:36
what have you seen? There's just a bunch of documents. There's
1:02:39
just a variety of just, you know, memos and other crazy
1:02:44
stuff. It's just there's a lot of stuff my was was
1:02:46
Unknown: I haven't seen much of that. To you. Don't whatever you
1:02:51
do, don't What about?
1:02:52
John C Dvorak: I know you can't look at it? No.
1:02:55
Unknown: Really, really, you're gonna help me like
1:02:58
privacy laws and how that plays a part in this because that's a
1:03:01
factor here too.
1:03:03
Absolutely.
1:03:04
This is good. Now we're talking about privacy laws. This is
1:03:08
really interesting fact you're here to
1:03:10
absolutely. And it's complicated. It's not so easy.
1:03:13
You cannot burst into a private chat room without probable
1:03:17
cause.
1:03:18
Yeah, this is good. This is this is why they had to employ
1:03:24
Bellingcat to get around the possibility that anyone says,
1:03:29
Hey, wait a minute. What are you guys doing in our private chat?
1:03:32
You can't do that
1:03:33
John C Dvorak: way. We will have to stop you there. Why? Why
1:03:36
can't they do that?
1:03:37
Unknown: You can't spy on Americans. You're not spying
1:03:41
John C Dvorak: on anybody. You're just going in and
1:03:42
checking the price. It's a chat room. It's on the internet. It's
1:03:45
like there's no corner a corner of the internet. I don't care if
1:03:48
it's a corner or if it's triangle. There is a there's no
1:03:54
what is that word they use? There's no expectation of
1:03:57
privacy. It's the internet.
1:04:02
Unknown: Which is for porn. Absolutely. And it's
1:04:05
complicated. It's not so easy. You cannot burst into a private
1:04:08
chat room. Because no matter what is bullcrap to you are so
1:04:14
John C Dvorak: Wait, stop, I got another thought on this. They're
1:04:17
saying this. Because that's what a honeypot operation would do.
1:04:22
Right? You'd say something like this, which is bullcrap. Because
1:04:26
there's no expectation of privacy on the internet period.
1:04:31
So you'd say something like what he just said, Well, you know if
1:04:34
you're in our private chat, you know the IRC maybe it'd be in
1:04:36
their in their crazy room there and now we can't do anything
1:04:39
without a warrant. That's bull crap. He's just lying to
1:04:43
suckers, people stupid people.
1:04:47
Unknown: Here you go, God probable cause no matter what
1:04:50
government agency you are. So just like after 911 There's
1:04:53
going to be this balance here. Where they try. Try to be
1:04:56
vigilant. Try to prevent this. Okay.
1:05:00
This gives a little bit of credence to the Restrict Act,
1:05:02
also known as patriot 2.0. Just like after 911, and we had a new
1:05:07
idea, we had to have a balance there we had ever bans. There
1:05:12
may be some credence to that I'm kind of liking that idea now,
1:05:15
where they tried to try to be vigilant, try to prevent this.
1:05:19
But there still has to be some kind of legal authority if
1:05:21
you're looking at a private chat room. And these documents
1:05:24
started out on a private chat room. So there is no easy
1:05:28
solution here. I should also add, you know, this is kind of
1:05:31
an unusual situation. This isn't like previous leaks, at least so
1:05:35
far, right? You don't have if you have a whistleblower who
1:05:39
wants to take their information to a media outlet, for example,
1:05:42
they want to broadcast it publicly. So
1:05:47
yeah, because the media outlets will immediately broadcast it
1:05:50
publicly. No, no, that's not true. That you can't even look
1:05:55
at it because you have clearance.
1:05:57
If you have a whistleblower, they want to take their
1:06:00
information to a media outlet, for example, they want to
1:06:03
broadcast it publicly. So why would a whistleblower go to a
1:06:06
private chat room? We're really small group of people see it,
1:06:09
right? And if you're a spy and you want to pass it to a foreign
1:06:12
government, why would you go to a chat room where you don't or
1:06:14
everyone in the room, so it's a very odd case?
1:06:18
With all that stuff that guy said is weird. That was really
1:06:22
all
1:06:22
John C Dvorak: bullcrap. It's all part of the honeypot scheme
1:06:26
Unknown: Okay, so let's break this down. How did this work?
1:06:29
What what what is the what is happening here? What is the what
1:06:32
do we think is the point what is the official no agenda stance on
1:06:34
this?
1:06:35
John C Dvorak: I don't think we have a unified stance on this
1:06:38
but I have my thesis which is that this is a cover your ass
1:06:41
moment is trying to make up for all us mainly for you. Mainly
1:06:45
for Ukraine, mainly for Ukraine but also the balloon let's throw
1:06:48
it out whatever else we can throw in there to you know make
1:06:51
up for lost time. And and then let's
1:06:56
Unknown: throw the book at him burn a few people. Yeah, but
1:06:59
John C Dvorak: you burn a few people and you may be burning
1:07:01
people you want to burn as possible to you know, the guys
1:07:05
in Russia perhaps if there is anybody that could have all been
1:07:08
done as you listen to this Bamford guy he also mentioned as
1:07:11
a possibility exists it was all just the signals guy that picked
1:07:13
up all his information. There was no HUMINT type guys over in
1:07:18
Russia giving us anything.
1:07:20
Unknown: So in the so I think it was the New York Times
1:07:25
photographs of some of the documents first appeared on
1:07:27
Discord app channels focus on the Minecraft computer game,
1:07:32
which is is that alternate? Isn't it like 12 year olds?
1:07:36
John C Dvorak: Is that still a thing? Yeah, it's
1:07:38
Unknown: a huge, and followers of a minor YouTube celebrity
1:07:42
known as wild Mao, according to Bellingcat, and other online
1:07:46
experts, thanks Bellingcat the photograph dub so that's your
1:07:50
that's your injection of the alt right there Bellingcat. The
1:07:53
photograph documents then eventually made their way to the
1:07:56
image board 4chan, then pro Russian telegram channels and
1:08:01
Twitter. The New York Times first reported on the documents
1:08:05
last week. Former official said quote watching a public chat
1:08:10
room is fair game. But law enforcement agencies don't have
1:08:13
the legal authority to monitor a private online chat room without
1:08:17
probable cause. This is calling for legislation.
1:08:21
John C Dvorak: Dad, by the way, is bullcrap. What they just
1:08:23
said, this reminds me I'm gonna remind you,
1:08:26
Unknown: I want you to remind us, but I just want to say it's
1:08:29
bullcrap. But they want some kind of legislation by saying
1:08:33
that
1:08:34
John C Dvorak: and it's gonna be good. They definitely wouldn't
1:08:36
give him a course that's restrict act probably only
1:08:40
restrict that's really bad. Yeah, so I'm remind I want to
1:08:42
remind people that in TV dramas, yeah. And they've been doing
1:08:47
this and they keep doing it. And we all should know that is
1:08:49
bullcrap. Where the guy gets hold to keep the guy on the
1:08:52
line, we're putting a trace on the call. My absolute favorite
1:08:57
bullcrap bit. That's it?
1:09:02
Unknown: Oh, it was only 27 songs we couldn't we couldn't
1:09:05
complete the tricks. Really, you watch those shows? They still do
1:09:10
in that
1:09:11
John C Dvorak: they're still pulling that bull crap because
1:09:15
in today's world, modern switches they give you the
1:09:18
number immediately.
1:09:23
Unknown: Someone Someone gave this kid this information
1:09:27
John C Dvorak: suddenly just says that someone did to goaded
1:09:30
him with if you're seeing a picture of him now with his
1:09:34
little mustache and beard, but if you've seen his photo,
1:09:38
Unknown: he looks like a like a wimpy punk.
1:09:41
John C Dvorak: He looks like he's 12 Yeah, yeah. And he looks
1:09:44
so naive. It's not even funny. And it's like, no, no, now
1:09:48
something was something's more. Something's up and there he's
1:09:52
gonna get off on a technicality or something. You get
1:09:55
discharged.
1:09:56
Unknown: No, no, no, throw this throw the book at this kid. as
1:10:00
John C Dvorak: well that reminds me let's listen to some right
1:10:02
wing talkers in Tampa Florida. Okay, here's the mike and Mark
1:10:06
show Mike and
1:10:07
Unknown: Mark show everybody how you doing in the afternoon
1:10:09
heroes scoundrel or somewhere in the middle go. Scoundrel. I
1:10:13
mean, he's, he's a criminal and everybody knows he's a criminal.
1:10:16
He's a 21 year old criminal who, you know, has put lives in
1:10:20
jeopardy has embarrassed the United States. I hope he rots in
1:10:24
jail. But that's
1:10:25
Wow, these guys I'm telling you these guys, they can't look at
1:10:28
the documents. Trust me,
1:10:30
the Tucker Carlson sort of red meat. Marjorie Taylor Greene
1:10:35
response and I'm I kind of think I'm one of them. But not on this
1:10:38
one. And I'm just wondering, there's there's a fun I love
1:10:42
this Patriot virtue signaling they're doing these two guys
1:10:46
I've never heard of Mark and Mike.
1:10:49
John C Dvorak: Are they be and Mike Gallagher is fairly famous
1:10:51
as a talk show guy and Mark Miller, so I can't remember his
1:10:54
last name, but they do it. This is like yeah, there's the
1:10:57
typical local yokels. And in this case, they're do a combo
1:11:02
show in the morning. I'm sure it's the morning shows can't be
1:11:05
afternoon and Morning Show in Tampa.
1:11:08
Unknown: No, because we have that other fine product in the
1:11:11
afternoon. What does it what used to be Limbaugh What is it
1:11:14
now? Though? Bungee No, no, no, no, no, no. The two punch you
1:11:18
know took Limbo is no no, no. Those two guys took
1:11:21
John C Dvorak: over. No, no, no. Yes. Well, at least locally.
1:11:24
Mancino took the spot.
1:11:29
Unknown: But these guys named Buck Buck Sexton bucks. A buck
1:11:32
and bucking buck, buck, buck, buck and duck is ex CIA. One.
1:11:38
Yeah, that's correct. Clay Travis and Buck and Buck Sexton
1:11:42
they took they took over the actual slot
1:11:46
John C Dvorak: that I think initially was shows the two
1:11:48
spooks was that right? Am I right? Or am I wrong?
1:11:50
Unknown: Two spokes one cup, but not on this one. And I'm just
1:11:54
wondering, there's there's a phenomenon called I call it
1:11:57
contrarian ism. Everybody's gotta be a contrarian.
1:12:01
Everybody's gotta go the opposite way, which is exactly
1:12:03
what you're doing. Gotta be a contrarian. Everybody's got to
1:12:06
go the opposite way. We're so cynical of the government, and
1:12:09
we should be by the way we should be. I don't believe a lot
1:12:13
of what they're telling us. I don't isn't it is peculiar that
1:12:16
The New York Times was at this kid's doorstep before the Feds
1:12:20
showed up. It is peculiar. They had news camera crews hovering
1:12:24
overhead and they managed to tap
1:12:26
oh, wait a minute, to do my material here. What is this
1:12:29
STOP, STOP STOP stops
1:12:30
up overhead and they managed to tap? Isn't that something they
1:12:34
the stunning video they captured the arrest? Wait, so the whole
1:12:38
it stinks to high heaven? There's no question about it.
1:12:41
But that doesn't change that we don't want to leak classified
1:12:45
information that puts our troops and our people in harm's way
1:12:50
to spooks. One honeypot is the spooks was the name of the show.
1:12:56
John C Dvorak: That'd be good. Where's you know so that's what
1:13:00
you're gonna hear from some of these guys. You need this
1:13:08
Unknown: got all about whooping that will be Yeah, we have you
1:13:11
have this. Member this a place?
1:13:18
To play that? I gotta play.
1:13:21
Gotta play that end of show that's too good. Classified.
1:13:24
Haven't played that in a long time. Nut Job. She can do that.
1:13:28
Again. She should pull out that classified? That when was it?
1:13:31
When did that happen? Even like, a long time ago. So yeah, so I
1:13:37
think we have we have some, yeah, the Ukraine stuff was
1:13:43
planted. We had to get that out because it's not going well. And
1:13:48
we need to get some real information out there. Tony
1:13:51
Stark, kind of soft pedaling and talking about it. Ukraine's not
1:13:54
even in the news anymore. No one cares. It's all China, China and
1:13:58
Trump. And then yeah, I think you're right, then it's just
1:14:01
like, oh, man, what an opportunity. Well, let's just
1:14:04
throw everything out there that we can and let's burns and
1:14:07
people get burned. I like the burning of people. That's great.
1:14:11
That that really that fits well. And then we have this story,
1:14:15
which kind of comes in in an odd way. You know, talking about
1:14:20
restrict act. This is this was a good this is a great little,
1:14:23
little side story. Yes
1:14:25
tonight Montana late today becoming the first state in the
1:14:27
US to pass a bill banning Tik Tok on all personal devices. The
1:14:32
bill prohibits the popular social media app from operating
1:14:35
within the state. If signed by the governor it would take
1:14:38
effect in January. Tick tock has suggested it will take legal
1:14:41
action. The Biden administration has threatened a nationwide ban
1:14:45
demanding tiktoks Chinese owners sell the company because of
1:14:49
concerns China could access users personal data.
1:14:53
And in this in this Montana bill, they even say well, if the
1:14:57
company sells to a US company, then it be okay. And I'm very
1:15:03
curious how they want to do this. So they have to go to
1:15:05
Apple and Google and they have to say Apple and Google. You
1:15:09
cannot have your users in. I mean, is it people who are
1:15:12
residents in Montana? Or only if you're in the geographic
1:15:15
location of met a Montana? How will you idea and that kind of
1:15:21
starts by? No, you have no idea, but let's just think about it. I
1:15:24
mean, how would that be enforceable? And that really
1:15:27
starts off I mean, oh, you know, this book. We've been this book
1:15:30
in Montana. Amazon, make make sure no one can download it. And
1:15:36
can you really? Can you really enforce that?
1:15:41
John C Dvorak: I think it's unenforceable I would I would
1:15:43
agree. A dead letter law right from the get go. was a dead
1:15:46
letter law. Ms. A law that's on the books, but nobody has ever
1:15:51
enforced. There's a lot of tons of them. There's like kissing
1:15:53
laws here. And they're in certain areas from the 1800s.
1:15:56
And you're on the books you can kiss in public in some town. But
1:16:00
no, no. Yeah.
1:16:03
Unknown: That might be in Fredericksburg. A lot
1:16:04
John C Dvorak: to check. There's there's tons of laws against
1:16:08
Kissing in public that are on the books.
1:16:10
Unknown: Wow. And we're worried about LGBTQ when we should look
1:16:16
at some of these laws. Wow.
1:16:24
Just um, tick tock, briefly, I was reading. I was reading an
1:16:29
article from the Dutch press. Oh, that was the Dutch. The
1:16:34
government press nos. And it's your tourist season. Actually.
1:16:38
It's a little early but you know, April, May if you get the
1:16:41
weather is beautiful in Amsterdam and beautiful in the
1:16:43
Netherlands in general. It's really it's just it's a small
1:16:46
window. It's like a caramel tulips crop. Right. Tulips. And
1:16:50
yeah, it's
1:16:50
John C Dvorak: just dynamite. If you had been there during that
1:16:52
time of year and the tulips are everywhere. It's beautiful. I
1:16:55
rented the Tulip Festival,
1:16:57
Unknown: the floor yada.
1:16:58
John C Dvorak: I guess Yeah, that's
1:16:59
Unknown: what it is floor yada. So now, there's a phenomenon
1:17:04
taking place. That people there will be an hour long wait a
1:17:09
queue in front of a french fry stand. Because a went viral on
1:17:14
Tiktok. And people get in the line it completely self
1:17:19
perpetuating. It can be of course, like, hey, I want to get
1:17:22
some french fries. Where should we go? Oh, let's look on tick
1:17:24
tock. As we know, this is Google's big problem. This is
1:17:27
one of the reason for trying to get rid of them is because
1:17:30
Google and and meta platforms. They're all losing big
1:17:34
advertising money. We have nothing but example after
1:17:37
example, of people in the advertising business or to
1:17:40
billions departments within their companies are saying, oh,
1:17:43
yeah, we're allocating all our money to tick tock. And so they
1:17:47
they search for it on tick tock, they see a cool video. And then
1:17:51
Oh, cool. We're gonna go there. And then they go there. And then
1:17:53
oh, there's a line. Oh, look at the line, they tick tock that on
1:17:55
the line. Right. And they don't want to leave because there's
1:17:58
people behind them in line and you don't want to go home and
1:18:01
people say, Hey, you weren't Holland, did you go that that
1:18:04
french fries? Stan? No, you didn't go to the one on Tiktok.
1:18:06
We're kind of doofus Are you. And these people and this is
1:18:11
without, you know, the French fries stands don't really have a
1:18:15
lot of marketing department tradition. And it's creating big
1:18:19
problems is creating problems for other retailers in the in
1:18:23
the same neighborhood. These are the little little streets in
1:18:25
Amsterdam. And it's just an hour long queue for a french fry. So
1:18:30
this Tiktok thing of their algo, which we've discussed, is is
1:18:34
very, very, very popular and a big problem for for, for people
1:18:39
who don't like it. I think it's great. And by the way, let's
1:18:44
just talk briefly, I don't want to talk about Dylan Mulvaney.
1:18:46
But we actually think we should talk about influencers and
1:18:49
influence campaigns. And this is exactly what I said this was
1:18:54
this was no spokes model. This was not a big you know, the
1:18:58
dealer Mulvaney is the you know, we're hiring him as you know to
1:19:02
be the face of our product. No, none of that. This is the
1:19:06
influence of departments which is very cheap way. And they use
1:19:09
these influencers. Where's Mulvaney Mulvaney is on tick
1:19:13
tock, tick tock, tick tock is is where all the marketing is
1:19:19
going. And you've got all these. Remember, when I had to think
1:19:23
new ideas, but I would have the biggest company Reebok was a
1:19:27
great example. Reebok, we built their website planet reebok.com,
1:19:30
also built to Anheuser Busch and budweiser.com Bud light.com. But
1:19:35
they were a little more they didn't say the following, which
1:19:38
Reebok did. Yeah, we'd like you to build our website and we'd
1:19:42
like to have, you know, some reporting. And we'd like to have
1:19:45
the human rights now foundation information in there and you
1:19:47
know, our sports stars and Danielle, we have Shaq, so we'd
1:19:52
like to do a chat with Shaq and we've, you always get this, we'd
1:19:55
like you to create a viral video because they thought you could
1:19:59
just create a viral Video. And this was the very sophisticated
1:20:02
marketing department who just didn't know anything about SEO
1:20:04
goes on. I'm sure it does. So now it's like they you know, so
1:20:09
it was not this VP of Marketing, who created this Mulvaney
1:20:15
campaign? No, it was the influencer marketing department.
1:20:19
And I think that this is going to be a a case study in the
1:20:25
dangers of of influencer marketing, and it's going to dry
1:20:29
up I think big brands are gonna say, Oh, crap, we saw what
1:20:33
happened. And we don't want that to happen to our brand. And it's
1:20:38
going to come from the top down because the CEO who, who issued
1:20:42
a statement, which it wasn't an apology, it was just a statement
1:20:48
like, Hey, man,
1:20:49
John C Dvorak: was it just? Well, I understand mount Gox
1:20:52
whole thing is so fishy. I'm almost of the opinion that this
1:20:58
has been done on purpose. This woman and a guy the ex CIA guy
1:21:02
that was the CEO of a Anheuser Busch. This guy is great came
1:21:09
out of military intelligence. And he went to the CIA, then he
1:21:11
went to Pepsi. And he has a very interesting background and good
1:21:15
you know, he's looks like a male model. You'll see a few pictures
1:21:18
of him he's always got that big smile, you listen, you know, it
1:21:21
just looks too good. Couldn't that you don't even know it's
1:21:23
him. And we have to realize that InBev which is a Bella Belgian
1:21:30
multinational actually is Brazilian Belgian. Oh, and the
1:21:34
CEO of in Bev is resilient. I did not know this. And the
1:21:40
Anheuser Busch part of it was a hostile takeover. Correct, that
1:21:45
the Bush family was not too happy about
1:21:48
Unknown: they reverse back into the stock. That's why it's a B
1:21:51
InBev on the on the
1:21:53
John C Dvorak: dead. But that was like they still aren't
1:21:55
happy. They rather run this thing themselves. The Bush
1:21:57
family is famous for their they've been doing this for
1:21:59
1800s. And they'd figure they can do it better than Woody and
1:22:03
this woman. Well, let me finish my little tidbits here. This
1:22:06
woman who was the so called VP of Marketing, if you look up the
1:22:11
wiki page, you'll find that she's actually the CO president
1:22:15
with the CIA guy at least for a while. And then she got
1:22:19
downgraded this whole thing stinks to high heaven. I think
1:22:24
that she's There's pictures of her that were Joel was suddenly
1:22:28
leaked on The Daily Caller knows about her being an out and out.
1:22:32
frat boy drunk sorority chick a Sally floating around and the
1:22:38
parties. Is that called a Sally? Sally's. Yeah. It's an old term.
1:22:45
But yeah, she's, uh, Sally hanging out with the frat boys
1:22:47
drinking too much with their friends. You know, whooping it
1:22:51
up. And you know, pre flicker, the old actual 35 year old which
1:22:57
means they're real photographs that somehow they got into the
1:23:00
color. Oh, couldn't have been like,
1:23:02
Unknown: I thought I thought they were from her Instagram.
1:23:06
John C Dvorak: I don't know that. Yeah, well, whatever. They
1:23:08
whatever the case I don't think she has I don't think not
1:23:11
anymore.
1:23:12
Unknown: No one none of them have a LinkedIn or in everyone's
1:23:15
learning from this. I shouldn't have put my resume on LinkedIn.
1:23:21
Said the CIA guy.
1:23:23
John C Dvorak: Well, the whole thing is fishy. And I think it's
1:23:26
I think it may be a scheme to like hurt a B InBev. If they
1:23:33
can, I don't know that they can to get debt to make them have to
1:23:38
start selling off they have so many properties. People think
1:23:42
it's this and that.
1:23:42
Unknown: I know it's a lot.
1:23:44
John C Dvorak: So boots on the ground in it's about 1000 beer
1:23:47
companies
1:23:48
Unknown: boots on the ground. Insider from HQ A B InBev are
1:23:53
boots on the ground producer says it's a crazy place to work
1:23:56
right now. He knows the person in charge of the influencer
1:23:59
campaigns. He's pretty sure that person is going to be fired.
1:24:02
Alyssa Heiner shot also probably going to be fired, but she was
1:24:05
not the one who greenlit this. It was done to the influencers
1:24:09
campaign department, and there's a different VP for that. And
1:24:14
what I hear yes, it is hurting Anheuser Busch because Anna the
1:24:19
way the beer business works is the distributors and the
1:24:23
distributors are seeing the the the fall back in purchase.
1:24:30
distributorship of beer is a big deal to get one and and and the
1:24:36
distributors kind of they're the boss. That's a moneymaker. They
1:24:40
have a lot to say. When it comes you know Frank Sinatra had a
1:24:44
it's a distributorship for beer
1:24:46
John C Dvorak: and they're very exclusive. You don't there's not
1:24:49
like competition because there's some so mobbed up.
1:24:51
Unknown: Oh, hello, Sinatra. Hello.
1:24:55
John C Dvorak: Yeah, if you've got Atlanta, you've got Atlanta,
1:24:58
you own Atlanta.
1:24:59
Unknown: Exactly. Exactly well that may be but um I don't know
1:25:05
much about the mob it's more your territory but I have a
1:25:13
feeling that influencer marketing is going to end with
1:25:17
this is going to be dangerous people is not going to see that
1:25:21
you can't you can't have these nut jobs running around on
1:25:25
Tiktok promoting your product because inevitably you have no
1:25:30
control over them. I I'm telling you this is going to be big and
1:25:35
it's also going to be a problem for Silicon Valley because this
1:25:39
is part of their business is the influencer marketing without
1:25:45
without that demand, who wants to be an influencer if you can't
1:25:48
make money on it anymore?
1:25:53
John C Dvorak: We'll see. Okay, I mean, I think it has I mean,
1:25:58
you could be totally right but I think it's just the selection
1:26:01
process of picking some of these screw balls like Dylan Mulvaney
1:26:08
who are an embarrassment
1:26:09
Unknown: Yeah, yeah, it's super super embarrassment.
1:26:13
Okay, now see
1:26:15
John C Dvorak: the latest thing
1:26:16
Unknown: from please let's not talk about Mulvaney gotta be
1:26:19
something Well, I'm
1:26:20
John C Dvorak: gonna talk about me. That's what I meant. What's
1:26:23
his name? O'Keefe
1:26:25
Unknown: media. Yeah, exactly. I'm
1:26:28
John C Dvorak: tracking her down to hotel him. Yo track tracking
1:26:32
it down at the hotel.
1:26:33
Unknown: Yeah, I didn't even watch it. So I watched it.
1:26:36
John C Dvorak: It was like a typical okay thing. There was no
1:26:39
substance. What's the point? Just following somebody around
1:26:42
the microphone is sticking into their face and tell him to say
1:26:45
somebody's not Not really. I'm not impressed.
1:26:48
Unknown: Well, I'm not impressed by O'Keefe for the same reason.
1:26:51
It's all dumb. This is all blowing up in everybody's face.
1:26:55
No one can we have talked about O'Keefe seemed like a nice guy.
1:26:58
But what has he really done for humanity? She actually named one
1:27:03
Project Veritas reveal that has changed anything. One.
1:27:12
Thank you. You can't
1:27:15
what is the one thing that Project Veritas did under
1:27:18
O'Keeffe's
1:27:19
John C Dvorak: stewardship? That a busted acorn
1:27:24
Unknown: that was the one thing and and what happened Obama
1:27:27
still was president for two terms
1:27:33
John C Dvorak: it's yeah, it didn't do any good
1:27:34
inconsequential.
1:27:38
Unknown: The sock much more douchebags. So as predicted
1:27:42
substack did indeed release a social network. It's called
1:27:45
substack notes. I'm sure you've been invited to it. Know that
1:27:49
you're part of it. You have the oasis. You're not You're getting
1:27:53
blocked by your email server. Come on. Ooh, maybe? Yeah, must
1:27:57
be so notes notes. This is what Elon Musk accused substack of
1:28:03
doing is trying to scrape Twitter somehow to get accounts
1:28:08
for their social for their Twitter clone. It's not exactly
1:28:11
a clone. I'm not sure if it I mean it feels like Twitter. It
1:28:15
looks like Twitter to social network like Twitter. But when
1:28:18
you follow someone you also get subscribed to their newsletter
1:28:21
which is something that I'm not interested.
1:28:24
John C Dvorak: I don't
1:28:26
Unknown: really want maybe
1:28:28
John C Dvorak: I don't know what it is but I think they they
1:28:31
substack randomly just subscribe to the various newsletters you
1:28:35
have to quit it's like what am I reading this guy's sucks he
1:28:39
can't even write so you have to keep on subscribing and they
1:28:42
keep doing this
1:28:43
Unknown: to me when you unsubscribe and they keep
1:28:44
sending you emails.
1:28:46
John C Dvorak: Well here's another thing I've sent you
1:28:48
targeting going to start talking about this I will miss I did
1:28:51
join a new social network nostril No, I don't even know
1:28:56
how to get into nostril this one is like it's like normally I go
1:29:03
into my with my finger man so normally I think to some of the
1:29:10
you know the Macedon spin offs or like Macedon dot social and
1:29:14
some of those manuals. The worst the worst sort of people Yes,
1:29:18
but they're all kind of a lot of them are brand name war story
1:29:20
people's. Yeah, tribal.
1:29:23
Unknown: That sounds old. Isn't tribal, really old?
1:29:25
John C Dvorak: I don't know but it's got the worst sort of
1:29:28
people. Everybody in there is just a left wing nut job
1:29:33
although there's not like famous New Left wing nut jobs when
1:29:36
everyone's in there there's like this one guy keeps posting in
1:29:39
every print every post he has every LinkedIn wherever it is
1:29:42
always starts with Republicans are rotten to the core. That's
1:29:48
every post
1:29:50
Unknown: tribal man I don't think tribal
1:29:54
John C Dvorak: at that but it's spelled weird.
1:29:57
Unknown: Was not spelled T ri ba l you L E L oh then it's
1:30:01
something I've done is something I don't know about. Try Bell try
1:30:05
bell.com
1:30:06
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Dr. ltr IBEL I don't know that it's old
1:30:10
says new to me and never heard of it.
1:30:13
Unknown: Huh no by a tribal with an A? Uh huh. I don't know what
1:30:21
that other thing got sold. No, no, no, the one that Kanye was
1:30:27
grumble now the one that Kanye was gonna buy. Chatter No, no
1:30:35
this slander how many of these dumb things on there all you
1:30:39
want that you only need? You only need nostril people. That's
1:30:42
all you need. And you wait, they're gonna go after that.
1:30:45
John C Dvorak: You can blow it out your nose? Or you go haha.
1:30:50
Unknown: No, so so back to substack. So substack is now it
1:30:56
is a Twitter clone is a social network. So now we have to, you
1:31:01
know, there are rules. Do you know the rules? If you start a
1:31:05
social network Jhansi Dvorak, you know the rules. You know,
1:31:09
you have to have you have to get mankind you have to be
1:31:11
moderation in moderation. Moderation. Yeah, absolutely.
1:31:14
Safety, Team safety, safety and standard. Oh, excuse me before I
1:31:19
continue. So again, we've got all these clones of my Twitter,
1:31:24
my Twitter thing popping up of me, so it's like it'll be
1:31:30
underscore at underscore add
1:31:33
John C Dvorak: underscore like for some reason they love
1:31:35
cloning you
1:31:37
Unknown: well and Well, I think it's because I I'd be like a
1:31:42
Bitcoin guy. And so then they'll what they do is they copy my
1:31:45
profile, they make a whole bunch of the copy a lot of my posts
1:31:50
from the past month or so. And then they start following people
1:31:55
who follow my my, my pro, my official profile, and then
1:31:59
people go out because people are surprisingly dumb. But oh Adams
1:32:05
following me knowing fully well that I'm not going to follow any
1:32:08
I don't follow many people. They like a couple 100 Which I've
1:32:12
subscribed to 15 years or 10 years ago. And then then Adam
1:32:18
curry the at underscore Adam curry underscore starts DMing
1:32:22
them, hey, you know, have this is a backup account. So I'm just
1:32:27
following you to make sure that I've got all my followers and
1:32:30
via would you like to buy some a crypto?
1:32:34
John C Dvorak: Oh, I see what you're up to.
1:32:35
Unknown: Yeah. So like, it's so creative. It's so creative. It's
1:32:40
a confidence game. con game. And so people start telling me this,
1:32:45
um, then, you know, and of course, I'm blocked from these
1:32:47
accounts. So I report the account. And it used to be,
1:32:52
well, they tried it again, like well, okay, if there's
1:32:55
impersonating you upload your government ID and I said, Look,
1:32:58
I've done this. I'm not going to keep uploading my government ID
1:33:02
to you. No, this is me. I have 91,000 followers. This is me.
1:33:09
This is not me. And they're copying my profile. And now what
1:33:13
you get back is now we've looked at it this is this isn't no this
1:33:18
is not impersonation. Twitter. says this is not impersonation.
1:33:24
John C Dvorak: No wonder you hate Elon Musk.
1:33:29
Unknown: No, I don't I don't really care. It's just
1:33:31
surprising. It's just him Twitter support impersonation of
1:33:35
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1:33:40
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1:33:43
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1:33:46
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1:33:52
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which I did not upload. So
1:34:11
John C Dvorak: so they didn't even do this a bot dollars total
1:34:14
bot. Yeah. So they don't even have the well they look at the
1:34:19
numbers show you under 100,000 Oh gives a shit. Hey, this guy's
1:34:23
bitching and moaning about being calm. Let me see. He's guessing
1:34:27
if he had a million Yeah, maybe but none. I don't know. If we
1:34:31
don't have time for this bullcrap. So what? That's what
1:34:36
they're thinking that's I'm being in the office so white.
1:34:39
Unknown: Yeah, well, you know, I don't have a blue checkmark. So
1:34:41
I get Yeah, you don't have the blue checkmark. So
1:34:44
John C Dvorak: So what Sir Andrew
1:34:45
Unknown: Gardner checks in I was one of those Air Force veterans
1:34:48
that was rolling my eyes at you and John thinking a journeyman
1:34:51
was someone knowledgeable. Here we go. This is boots on the
1:34:54
ground in real time. The Air Force job codes known as Air
1:34:58
Force Specialty codes have a skill To level signifier that
1:35:01
uses 1357, and nine, I do not believe one is ever actually
1:35:08
used. Three is someone right out of their initial technical
1:35:11
training school. And then after some test and further learning
1:35:15
jobs specific determines how much one gets their five level
1:35:19
to a journeyman as just someone who has been on the job for a
1:35:22
little and completed the minimal tasks needed.
1:35:25
John C Dvorak: That may be in the military. I was explaining
1:35:27
journeyman in the normal world
1:35:30
Unknown: that it's not a slam again, she was explaining this
1:35:33
kid had no business seeing any
1:35:34
John C Dvorak: No, they given what they would that's I think
1:35:36
we've he doesn't know that would that's what we said, well, he
1:35:40
Unknown: rolled his eyes and Hey, come on. Thank you use what
1:35:43
you say. Thanks.
1:35:44
John C Dvorak: Just yeah, thanks for nothing.
1:35:47
Unknown: So back to substack. I'm trying to get to this one
1:35:50
clip. So if what you're taking forever if you're substack, and
1:35:54
you're starting a social network, well, you know, you
1:35:57
have to talk to Nilay Patel from the verge, and Nilay Patel is
1:36:01
gonna call you to account. I'm gonna call you on the mats. Yo
1:36:05
guy. I know. Like Patel was on the show that Leo railroaded me
1:36:11
into saying the moon landing was fake. What did I didn't believe
1:36:15
in it. I never said it was fake. I said, I have a hard time
1:36:17
believing it. I have no proof. It actually happened to me like
1:36:21
Patel was on that show. So I don't like him. Just disclosure.
1:36:25
John C Dvorak: Oh, I don't like him either. I was in the show
1:36:27
with him over there. And he called me a racist.
1:36:29
Unknown: Oh, well, you could be the CEO of substack. Then
1:36:32
I just want to be clear, if somebody shows up on substack
1:36:35
and says all brown people are animals, and they shouldn't be
1:36:38
allowed in America. You're gonna censor that.
1:36:41
So we do have a terms of service that that, you know, have nearly
1:36:45
please note, by the way, the so called journalists saying,
1:36:48
You're gonna censor that, aren't you?
1:36:51
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I love journalists are into censorship.
1:36:54
Unknown: That's right. I just want to use a lawyer to be
1:36:56
clear, if somebody shows up on some stack, and says all brown
1:37:00
people are animals, and they shouldn't be allowed in America.
1:37:02
You're gonna censor that.
1:37:04
So we do have a terms of service that, you know, have nearly
1:37:08
prescribes, you know, things that are out there, there are
1:37:12
extreme cases, right. And I'm not going to get into like the
1:37:14
way in America 23. That is not so extreme. Right, we should not
1:37:19
allow as many brown people in the country not so extreme. Do
1:37:22
you allow that on sub stack? Would you allow them in sub
1:37:24
segments?
1:37:25
I think like, the way that we think about this is we want to
1:37:28
put the writers and the readers in charge. Now I really want you
1:37:31
to answer that question. I'm not going to get into gotcha
1:37:34
content. Moderation. It's
1:37:35
not a gotcha. I'm a brown person. Do you think people in
1:37:37
subsections actually get kicked out? Yes. Do
1:37:41
you want to say something? First, I'm a brown person. He's
1:37:47
Indian, if I'm not mistaken, the Indian,
1:37:50
John C Dvorak: I believe, well, he could be Bangladesh. She
1:37:52
could be Pakistani. I'm not sure.
1:37:55
Unknown: I went to Jamaica. look him up. I'm a brown person.
1:37:58
I'm not gonna get into gotcha content, moderation. It's
1:38:01
not a gotcha. I'm a brown person. Do you think people on
1:38:03
substack should say I should get kicked out of the country?
1:38:06
I'm not going to engage in
1:38:08
John C Dvorak: I'd say, Yes, not because you're a brown person.
1:38:11
Unknown: Do you think people on substack should say I should get
1:38:13
kicked out of the country? I'm not
1:38:15
going to engage in content moderation, would you watch it
1:38:19
this or that? Questions?
1:38:22
But it's the thing that you have to do. Right? I mean, you have
1:38:26
to make these decisions. So
1:38:28
the way that we think about this is, yes, there is going to be a
1:38:32
terms of service, we are going to have you know, we have
1:38:35
content policies that are deliberately tuned to allow lots
1:38:39
of things that we disagree with that we've you know, strongly
1:38:43
disagree with. We think we have a strong commitment to freedom
1:38:46
of speech, freedom of the press, we think these are, you know,
1:38:49
essential ingredients in a free society. We think that it would
1:38:52
be a failure for us to build a new kind of network that can't
1:38:58
support those ideals. And we want to design the network in a
1:39:02
way where people are in control of their experience where
1:39:06
they're able to do that stuff.
1:39:07
By the way. 30 more seconds. This guy is a fail.
1:39:12
John C Dvorak: I agree. 100% I don't
1:39:13
Unknown: know what he was thinking. I don't I don't I
1:39:17
don't know what he was thinking in general that you can in
1:39:19
today's climate with journalists. And you know, the
1:39:22
Twitter was the journalists owned a journalist journalists
1:39:26
are Babu Bri controlled Twitter.
1:39:28
John C Dvorak: To tell you this month, I'm looking at his wiki
1:39:31
page and Neil Nilay me live. If this guy's not a spook, I don't
1:39:35
know who is Oh, interesting. And I'll say that because he's one
1:39:39
of those wiki where there's nothing on it. There's no
1:39:41
information whatsoever, just a bunch of random little things.
1:39:44
He was one of those what do we do with this guy? I don't know.
1:39:47
Unknown: Oh, so but he's so he's actually vying for a consultant
1:39:51
ship to help sensor when he gets the information from government,
1:39:58
okay, all right, but this one We're Chris Chris guy. He was
1:40:03
really he bit off more than he can chew with this thing.
1:40:06
We're at the very early innings of that we don't have all the
1:40:08
answers for how the things work, we are making a new thing. And
1:40:12
we are, you know, literally, we launched this thing one day ago,
1:40:16
no bad answer. We're gonna have to figure a lot of this stuff
1:40:19
out. I don't think it's yours to figure it out.
1:40:22
You have to figure out should we allow overt racism on sub
1:40:25
segments to figure that out?
1:40:27
No, I'm not gonna get into.
1:40:30
You know, this is a very sad response to this question right
1:40:33
here. We are aware that you've you've blundered into this. You
1:40:36
should just say no. And I'm wondering what's keeping you
1:40:39
from just saying now what a Deke deke.
1:40:45
He should do a show podcast with Kara Swisher, there'll be great
1:40:48
together.
1:40:48
John C Dvorak: We'll actually if you look at the wiki page,
1:40:52
there's a connection between the two of them because she did a
1:40:54
special on him, or an article called Nilay Patel, no longer
1:40:59
managing editor of The Verge moves to vox.com Oh, I
1:41:02
Unknown: thought he was with the verge. Well, I
1:41:04
John C Dvorak: think he's back with the verge. I don't know
1:41:05
what he is anymore. Now. He's with. Yeah, he's back with the
1:41:09
verge. Ben, it's hard to say. That's the kind of like I said,
1:41:15
this thing is so vague. This just Wiki pages is like useless.
1:41:18
He's
1:41:19
Unknown: a brown person posing as a journalist.
1:41:22
In America. Hmm. Yeah.
1:41:25
John C Dvorak: And he says very carefully in black, so you can
1:41:28
click on it. nationality, what do you think his nationality is?
1:41:31
Unknown: by Indian?
1:41:33
John C Dvorak: American?
1:41:35
Unknown: Well, that was my faux pas. Yes, of course. I'm sure
1:41:37
he's American. No, it says right there American. Yeah, that was
1:41:41
that was me being racist. We don't know
1:41:43
John C Dvorak: where he is who his parents are. We don't know
1:41:45
where he was born. We don't know anything, which is one of those.
1:41:49
Those entries that is like problematic. I use the word
1:41:53
Unknown: advisedly. I'm going to talk to my guy. My guy knows my
1:41:56
guy can get it. I got some Indian mafia friends. Know,
1:42:00
they'll know that. Oh, yeah. And you know, and they hate these
1:42:03
kinds of posers. They don't like these guys at all. Its tech guys
1:42:07
to tech guys. Interesting. Well, let's, let's just finish up the
1:42:13
tech bashing. And I just want to say that John and I, the reason
1:42:19
why we scoff at these things so easily is we've been around we
1:42:23
have seen things come and go. We have seen the hype, the overhype
1:42:29
the things that just fall apart. I think we have. I mean, we
1:42:32
don't always get it right. But at least we couch it in in
1:42:36
language like there's no evidence. But in general, in
1:42:39
general, we we have seen things. I mean, did you ever think OS
1:42:45
two would work that it would be a big a big seller? I was hoping
1:42:49
it was a book. I liked it too.
1:42:51
John C Dvorak: But did you really it was a good product.
1:42:53
But
1:42:53
Unknown: did you really think it would work? Well, IBM was a
1:42:57
bunch of of exactly. We know how operates.
1:43:01
John C Dvorak: IBM was not up to it. No, no. And then they had
1:43:06
that moment at one of the big shows one of the big trade shows
1:43:09
it they came out with a version of OS two that was uncrushable
1:43:14
be crap was that warp OS two warp. It may have been more I
1:43:18
love and a bomb Rex Rex.
1:43:21
Unknown: I've got a program in Rex.
1:43:23
John C Dvorak: Rex is actually pretty good. Yes, it was a nice
1:43:25
little scripting language. It was like a lot better than
1:43:28
batch. So we're AppleScript so Steve Ballmer came in with a
1:43:34
with a disk with a floppy disk with some code on it. And he
1:43:39
went into the IBM booth. He says this thing won't crash and he
1:43:42
says let's see what the what it does with this disk. He sticks a
1:43:44
disk and it crashes with a bunch of people around him so they can
1:43:49
Unknown: all write about write it up. Oh, it was journalists
1:43:51
around. Yeah,
1:43:52
John C Dvorak: I think I think it would he made a big fuss
1:43:54
about it. Yeah, it was kind of the idea Why won't crash we'll
1:43:57
look at just crash you guys suck. It's funny because I the
1:44:03
original OS two was partnered with Microsoft. And they were
1:44:08
partnership for OS two and I have a little I still have a
1:44:12
little pin. The lapel pin that says Microsoft Oh is to wow.
1:44:18
Another collector's item yet it's gonna go on the Etsy site
1:44:22
for sale. How was that
1:44:24
Unknown: doing? You? Uh, do you still have stuff on your Etsy
1:44:26
site for sale? Well, we're
1:44:27
John C Dvorak: trying to reincorporate new stuff. Oh,
1:44:30
Jay. Okay, you
1:44:30
Unknown: making J work? Okay.
1:44:31
John C Dvorak: Do I Yeah. And she's like, Oh, I hate the SEC.
1:44:36
Unknown: Alright, now let's talk about AI because another day,
1:44:40
another 20 stories about how AI is going to kill us all. And I'm
1:44:45
a little tired of it. To be honest. By the way, just to
1:44:51
reiterate, there's no business model for AI. No one wants to
1:44:55
pay for it. It uses more energy than Bitcoin. Yeah, and water by
1:45:01
the way Mollywood wrote about this chat GBT is consuming a
1:45:05
staggering amount of water. I guess it gets to cool stuff. But
1:45:12
chat GPT you really use a lot of energy and a lot of GPUs and
1:45:18
yeah and if watch for what? So, Deutsche Avella, they had a
1:45:26
long, tedious interview with an MIT professor Max Tegmark, Max
1:45:34
Tegmark, and um, this guy was all jacked and Jedi because all
1:45:39
you hear anyone who's in the AI space, I think base Yes, I think
1:45:45
is really there. I mean, how many times have we seen this
1:45:48
type of hype? You know what I mean? But oh, this is it. Oh,
1:45:53
this is this almost like we've seen the pod video, podcast,
1:45:57
video podcast video podcast. Now we've been through this cycle.
1:46:02
It podcasters will be audio podcasters. Video podcasters is
1:46:07
on YouTube. This is YouTube shows or rumble or whatever is
1:46:11
not the same thing. Rumble. Will you agree with me? We've seen
1:46:15
these cycles.
1:46:17
John C Dvorak: Oh, 10 times over back social
1:46:20
Unknown: networks. I think we're kind of done. Now. You know,
1:46:22
Facebook
1:46:23
John C Dvorak: blogs, remember the blog phenomenon? Blogs? Oh,
1:46:26
everyone had to have a blog. It was going to free the inner
1:46:28
everyone's going to have their own blog. We'd have citizen
1:46:31
journalists.
1:46:32
Unknown: Yeah, remember that citizen journalist. But also,
1:46:36
like I've said, for the past 10 years that Facebook can also go
1:46:41
away. Facebook can fall out of favor. And to a degree it has me
1:46:47
fell out of favor. The Instagram, they bought
1:46:49
Instagram, and Instagram fell out of favor for tick tock. This
1:46:52
is the cycle of life in technology. Companies don't like
1:46:57
to go. So anyway. Now we have this new thing, which let's be
1:47:01
honest. It popped up the end. It was like a fluke because someone
1:47:07
started using chat GPT which chat GPT and then everybody had
1:47:11
to have chat GPT because they know Oh, this is the hot new
1:47:15
thing, as witnessed by Google who are pretty careful with how
1:47:20
they roll products, how they roll out products, they have a
1:47:22
bad track record, but they were even open about how flimsy this
1:47:27
really was. And they come up with barf. And then the thing
1:47:31
you know, screws up so bad, they lose 100 billion in market cap
1:47:34
on the first day. Can people like oh crap, Google can't
1:47:37
figure this out. So now they're throwing all kinds of money at
1:47:40
it. They're rejiggering their finances to make sure they can
1:47:44
throw the money at it without a business model. So long lead in
1:47:48
this. Do this douche booze interviewing the MIT douche abou
1:47:53
chat gpj
1:47:54
This is not science fiction. Intelligence is not something
1:47:58
miss this.
1:47:58
This by the way. It's a style peace. This is the MIT professor
1:48:03
Max Tegmark.
1:48:05
This is not science fiction. Intelligence is not something
1:48:08
mysterious that can only exist in human brains. It's something
1:48:13
we can also build. We're basically building these alien
1:48:18
minds that are much smarter than us. Who we're gonna have to
1:48:21
share the planet with. Right and the pessimism is basically
1:48:24
everybody who's driving the race towards this cliff is in denial
1:48:28
about there even being a cliff but they can't stop. No company
1:48:32
can pause alone, because they're just gonna have a lunch, their
1:48:36
lunch eaten by the competition and get killed by the shareable
1:48:39
lunch. Otherwise, there might simply not be any humans on the
1:48:43
planet at all. This is not an arms race. It's a suicide race.
1:48:48
Billions of dollars are pouring into artificial intelligence.
1:48:52
But our private companies putting the world in danger in a
1:48:55
race to create better even so called godlike artificial
1:48:58
intelligence. My guest today is Max Tegmark. He's a Swedish
1:49:01
American physicist, cosmologist and machine learning researcher.
1:49:05
He's a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of
1:49:07
Technology and the scientific director of the foundational
1:49:09
questions Institute. Max, welcome to the show. I want to
1:49:13
begin with a general question before we really launch into
1:49:15
specifics. And I'd ask you to be as brief as possible with your
1:49:19
answer as much as you can. And that question is are a handful
1:49:22
of companies leading us down a dangerous path? Yes.
1:49:31
John C Dvorak: That was the punch line.
1:49:33
Unknown: That was his punch line and that he literally stopped
1:49:35
because, of course, as I said, the interview was long and
1:49:37
tedious.
1:49:38
John C Dvorak: And they don't want to hear the interview then,
1:49:40
but I have one other point. He said yes. But he said it with a
1:49:43
thick accent
1:49:44
Unknown: because he's a Swedish. Swedish American.
1:49:47
John C Dvorak: Yes.
1:49:49
Unknown: But you heard him in the beginning. That's him
1:49:51
saying, We intelligence is not just for human beings. I just
1:49:55
like to when you talk about artificial, it's fake,
1:49:58
artificial meat, art. Official Nether artificial, give me some
1:50:03
other artificials in our life, everyone understands artificial
1:50:06
is not real. It's not the real thing. There is no intelligent
1:50:09
John C Dvorak: official breasts.
1:50:11
Unknown: Thank you artificial. That's not a great example
1:50:14
because that
1:50:15
John C Dvorak: I knew that stop. That's not a great example.
1:50:21
Unknown: So, but now he's going to tell us why we're all gonna
1:50:25
die. It's a suicide race, the billions of dollars are being
1:50:30
poured into it because that's really what this is about. No
1:50:32
one can stop. Everybody has to participate, even though they
1:50:36
are raising money with the suicide race thing. And now
1:50:41
listen to how he justifies and tells us what we actually have
1:50:45
achieved today.
1:50:47
How much of a breakthrough? Are these new generative AI models?
1:50:50
Like chat, GBT?
1:50:52
It's what looks like a breakthrough in the media is
1:50:55
really quite steady progress on work on AI. It's been happening
1:50:59
for a long time. You know, in the 60s, the term artificial
1:51:03
intelligence was coined by an MIT professor. And for a long
1:51:09
time, and the people be like, Man, this is much harder than we
1:51:11
thought. And gradually, the list of things, though, that humans
1:51:17
can do, the machines cannot do is cut and shorter and shorter.
1:51:20
And one of the holy grails Alan Turing, famously called the
1:51:24
Turing test is being able to talk like a human really master
1:51:28
language. And that's no breakthrough. We've seen now
1:51:33
manifested and rung up before and tools like this.
1:51:36
Thank you. I was, I was hoping that you would say that is not
1:51:39
what the Turing test is, before you say anything, he works at
1:51:44
the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he is a professor in
1:51:50
this field.
1:51:52
John C Dvorak: He said that the Turing test was that machine
1:51:54
that could talk, you know, like, computer, computer working,
1:52:01
working, I mean, that's, you know, the Turing test is the
1:52:05
point where you would have a exchange with a computer that
1:52:09
you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a computer or a person.
1:52:13
So I go into a chat room, and I started a chat by typing the
1:52:18
Turing test was not involved with talking by when you could
1:52:21
be the same could be talking, and you will be chatting with it
1:52:25
in one way or another. And you would not be able to tell Yeah,
1:52:30
under any circumstances, as a machine, that's
1:52:33
Unknown: the answer that is a Turing test, the Turing test is
1:52:36
not
1:52:36
John C Dvorak: just a machine talking, working, working.
1:52:40
Unknown: Let's, let's just listen again, to what you said
1:52:42
here,
1:52:43
for a long time, and that people realize, man, this is much
1:52:45
harder than we thought. And gradually, the list of things,
1:52:50
though, that humans can do the machines cannot do is cut in
1:52:53
shorter and shorter. And one of the holy grails Alan Turing,
1:52:58
famously called the Turing test is being able to talk like a
1:53:01
human really master language. And that's the big breakthrough
1:53:05
we've seen. So he's
1:53:07
saying that the big forget the Turing Test definition, he says,
1:53:10
the big breakthrough is that it can talk like a human being, I'm
1:53:14
not convinced that this has been achieved.
1:53:19
John C Dvorak: Oh, I'm with you on that. I mean, I don't know
1:53:21
how many people aren't convinced. I'm not it's not even
1:53:24
close.
1:53:24
Unknown: I mean, I see big flowery sentences and just going
1:53:28
on and on anyone who talks like that and be like, I don't like I
1:53:32
don't want to talk to you, you know, you're not normal. Then,
1:53:37
but for some reason, and and also, Geek isn't just talking
1:53:42
like a human being or do you also have to make sense and be
1:53:44
somewhat correct it? Would that be a part of the of the Turing
1:53:48
test?
1:53:49
John C Dvorak: Or just be able to fool the Turing test? Going
1:53:51
back to the real Turing test? That means you can't tell if
1:53:53
it's a person who's right. I mean, if you're, if you could
1:53:57
pretty suppose that the, that the person you're talking to is
1:54:00
a moron, I suppose the Turing test would be a lot more liberal
1:54:05
in the way you interpret it.
1:54:06
Unknown: Can the Turing Test speak multiple languages like I
1:54:09
can,
1:54:12
John C Dvorak: as well, that was never included in detail, but
1:54:14
I'm
1:54:14
Unknown: just I'm just curious, does it? Does the Turing test
1:54:17
have to work in all languages? So it would be Java? I
1:54:20
John C Dvorak: think, so. I don't
1:54:21
Unknown: think it can do any other languages. yet? No,
1:54:25
seriously, think about it. The internet is predominant enough
1:54:28
John C Dvorak: trouble translating, you know, when you
1:54:31
go to a French translation through Google or one of these
1:54:34
guys. So when you say I'm gonna buy some Chateau le feet, they
1:54:37
changed it to Castle. Castle, you want to buy some castle of
1:54:44
feet, Castle of foot. So it's like, whoa, this isn't what did
1:54:50
this even in? We call it Chateau le feet because that's what it
1:54:53
is. It's not castle of feet, because that's the translation
1:54:57
of the word chateau. So I mean, you don't even know that much.
1:55:02
Unknown: Right? So is this just a continuous? You're complaining
1:55:07
please? Well, I'm gonna ask you a question. Would you do you
1:55:11
think that this is really just a Hail Mary and that the
1:55:13
technology business is in deep trouble a Silicon Valley Bank
1:55:18
ruined all of the all of the the money went away or the scam of
1:55:25
the venture capital scam, which now we understand how that
1:55:28
works.
1:55:29
John C Dvorak: What's the cycle? The venture capitalist scam is a
1:55:31
cycle
1:55:32
Unknown: but the scam of creating money by by making
1:55:36
everybody put their money in the same bank. So banks basically
1:55:39
the bank had three times the billion dollars.
1:55:41
John C Dvorak: So that was you know, that was, I think that's
1:55:43
fairly recent. pretty
1:55:44
Unknown: new. That's a pretty that's a good one. But that was
1:55:46
pretty new. But they need to have something and
1:55:53
John C Dvorak: they need to, right they always need to have
1:55:55
some gimmicky thing that gets a lot of attention. This happened
1:55:58
in the 80s with the artificial intelligence bullshit happened
1:56:01
to be a fourth generation computer.
1:56:03
Unknown: We had podcasts pocket Well, hot, hot, hot pockets, and
1:56:06
it was juiced. Oh, you gotta be like juice.
1:56:09
John C Dvorak: Juice, you keep bringing juice
1:56:11
Unknown: back up irritates me, it was like juiced and then you
1:56:14
have to just Skype, we have to everyone's gonna be Skype, you
1:56:16
gotta be Oh, it's gonna be IP, IP wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe,
1:56:20
wipe. What are the ones that we have? What are the great
1:56:22
John C Dvorak: SIP saps but more,
1:56:26
Unknown: more general, more general then we had social
1:56:28
media. But I think blogging, or blogging differs a little bit.
1:56:34
Blogging was more an acquisition target. It wasn't really
1:56:37
something that people that VC put their money in. Oh, well,
1:56:40
one of the big ones right now is personal drones that you fly,
1:56:46
you know, the like the Jetson one, and all these, all these
1:56:50
these nutty? New flying contraptions? Oh, yes. We're
1:56:54
going to have air taxis air taxis everywhere. There must be
1:56:59
100 100 Well,
1:57:01
John C Dvorak: that is that's another cycle that goes way
1:57:05
back. Yeah. Flying Machines. Yeah, I think goes back to the
1:57:09
back to the 70s The first time I ran into some guy in Sacramento
1:57:12
had this flying machine this flying car. Yeah. And he go out
1:57:17
of you know, nothing would happen. He gets some money then
1:57:19
20 years later there it was. Again, same guy
1:57:21
Unknown: as we talked about in the last show segway the Segway
1:57:24
was was one of those things Oh,
1:57:26
John C Dvorak: yes. Always gonna change the way we design cities.
1:57:30
Unknown: And they have to create their own hype. And they've done
1:57:35
it they've done it to a crazy degree that chat GPT crazy
1:57:41
degree, and then you know, and I think there's no more there's no
1:57:44
more exits in in green green stuff
1:57:48
in there trying the green stuff was always a disaster. Yeah,
1:57:51
I remember that. Kleiner Perkins tried to do their green tech and
1:57:54
they lost all I think everything.
1:57:56
John C Dvorak: They I don't know that they had a Green Fund that
1:57:58
made a nickel. No, I don't think they had one. But I don't think
1:58:01
it made a nickel right. I
1:58:02
Unknown: think they had more than one. They couldn't even do
1:58:04
the the electric car right. They did the thing that kept catching
1:58:09
fire.
1:58:11
John C Dvorak: Was that could be any car.
1:58:14
Unknown: No, but they were early. They were early on the
1:58:16
burning up stuff. It was there was that really expensive one
1:58:20
the Husker Fisker Thank you Fisker. Yeah. And then they
1:58:25
tried the scooters. That was gonna be another one. They all
1:58:28
invested in scooters,
1:58:29
John C Dvorak: and all they had to Kleiner Perkins offices. They
1:58:32
all had a Segway in their offices on a charger.
1:58:39
Unknown: Yeah, of course, I do it all riding around. And then
1:58:42
what else? I mean, there was DVRs that was another one with
1:58:46
the one hit the TiVo, TiVo, TiVo.
1:58:50
John C Dvorak: But it was, I think, cleaner. It was into
1:58:52
replay TV. Right? Yeah, they got nervous replay TV and attend the
1:58:58
replay TV guy. It's kind of interesting. I had lunch with
1:59:02
him once after he started roku. And he's a Roku guy. And he Oh,
1:59:08
okay. Something of a genius. He's the one who really invented
1:59:11
the idea and I think he felt he was stiffed on the replay TV
1:59:15
because TiVo got all the attention and they ended up
1:59:18
being the big moneymaker and replay TV just disappeared and
1:59:21
he went off because I brought something up to him and he was
1:59:24
he got mad turned from a nice lunch to like it took about 10
1:59:29
minutes for him to calm down. John Have you
1:59:31
Unknown: ever noticed this is kind of what you do with people
1:59:33
it's just kind of what you do. Just say and with that I'd like
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to thank you for your courage in the morning to them to you the
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gentlemen, please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr.
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John C Dvorak: in the morning you Mr. Adam curry also in the
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morning all ships and sea boots on the ground feet near subs in
1:59:58
the water and all the games and nights out there.
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Unknown: As in the morning to the trolls and the troll room
2:00:02
who have been somewhat helpful today. scurrying away. That's
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what I thought 2309 I think that's good for for a Sunday.
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It's good. It's 100 Over 100 Over 100 Over, and the only one
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John C Dvorak: had to travel account I open is no agenda
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show.
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Unknown: No, very good. And do you have a discord? Because, you
2:02:37
know, that's where all the 20 Somethings hang out?
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John C Dvorak: And not yet. Okay.
2:02:42
Unknown: And it's Jhansi Dvorak at no agenda. social.com that
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is, John and I are there lots of people that also the artists,
2:02:50
which I wanted to talk about one of the artists in particular,
2:02:53
because yeah, roundy Well, this is kind of beautiful Roger
2:02:57
roundy and he's been posting on no agenda social.com He, he said
2:03:02
that he has now been hired by The Daily Caller to do political
2:03:09
illustrations. And he's and He attributes his his job, the
2:03:15
getting this job to his work for the no agenda show.
2:03:19
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he does. Then he bails out on us and he's
2:03:22
not
2:03:23
Unknown: quit he didn't quit. He's still listening. He's still
2:03:26
on no agenda socially. You'll know that.
2:03:28
John C Dvorak: He said his Daily Caller is that the Tucker or is
2:03:31
that Tucker Shapiro her Tucker.
2:03:33
Unknown: He said he said he wasn't leaving the show in any
2:03:36
any but you know,
2:03:38
John C Dvorak: I will note ISIS is Fuck you guys right at the
2:03:41
end of the No.
2:03:42
Unknown: Job? No, no, you must have read your on tribal. And I
2:03:48
wanted to say that he is incorrect. The reason why he got
2:03:53
this job is not because he won many different pieces of art as
2:03:59
album art, which we see as an award for an artist. The reason
2:04:03
why he got this job is because of our criticism of the things
2:04:06
that we didn't choose of his.
2:04:08
John C Dvorak: No, I agree. 100% It was listening to the two art
2:04:12
directors that would be you and me correct as part time art
2:04:15
directors, listening to us go over the art and it's something
2:04:20
that most artists never get to hear. That's right. You don't
2:04:23
get criticism when we say you don't know why your art was
2:04:25
rejected Correct? At this. So once again, when I believe that
2:04:31
what you said is true. We can credit another success story to
2:04:34
us. Yeah, I am in total agreement with myself on the
2:04:37
back for that. While you do
2:04:41
Unknown: we want all the time. We want to thank I think brand
2:04:46
new to the lineup. Francisco Scaramanga. Yeah, he's been
2:04:50
John C Dvorak: submitting before he's been submitting as we want
2:04:53
it, and they're saying they're always interesting.
2:04:55
Unknown: Yes. And he just hasn't quite made it yet. For a number
2:04:58
of reasons. You'd have to go back and listen to The
2:05:00
criticisms we had but he was, which picks his art for episode
2:05:05
1546 appropriately titled cat hole, which the Dutch John I
2:05:10
mean, you are the hero of the Dutch no agenda contingent. They
2:05:14
think your translation of Koto fell into cat hole. I saw you
2:05:19
got a postcard from cattle.
2:05:21
John C Dvorak: Yeah, using the newsletter
2:05:25
Unknown: as something incredibly funny about that, you have to
2:05:28
speak Dutch to understand it, but it's, it's really it's very
2:05:31
well done. We'd like that.
2:05:33
John C Dvorak: Well, the piece I liked in competition was the
2:05:36
winner from networks he could have won again with the SS
2:05:39
climate change. It was very close. Yeah, it was very close.
2:05:42
And actually the SS climate change is a little more
2:05:45
artistic. But it was less less connected to the show than to
2:05:50
our mouse theme. Yep. And so this this scam scaremonger piece
2:05:56
was just what we want what the doctor ordered and it was cute
2:06:00
and he just did a lot of stuff and he came in second year like
2:06:03
the week before with a Go Go back with the rabbit and the
2:06:08
Christ figure out a bit much which is sacrilegious to tell
2:06:11
decided not
2:06:15
Unknown: Yeah, no, I agree with other good ideas. Network. I
2:06:18
agree. Networks had the and this is what happens sometimes. And
2:06:22
he had a great piece of art, but it just didn't quite fit in with
2:06:26
the fish flopping. Now other people tried Miami fish, no
2:06:31
other things. Which jet didn't hit the mark either. Who was
2:06:36
this? Twitter, which is also scar manga so he's been trying a
2:06:40
couple things. I kind of like Boyce verts printing steak.
2:06:47
John C Dvorak: Darren O'Neal had a nice printing food piece too.
2:06:51
Unknown: Which one was that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I thought it was too
2:06:53
complicated.
2:06:54
John C Dvorak: It was too complicated. And it was that was
2:06:56
also small. You get getting a 33 is the brand name of the
2:06:59
machine. It was small. Can't see it. Yeah.
2:07:04
Unknown: I don't think there was anything else that really that
2:07:07
really hit the mark that even or came close. college should
2:07:13
blogger. Oh, no. But this time he had an ozempic shot going to
2:07:17
someone's belly. No, I was just creepy.
2:07:21
John C Dvorak: No, it was nothing new. We had this this
2:07:24
piece looks good. It worked. It worked.
2:07:26
Unknown: So congratulations, Francisco Scaramanga and web
2:07:29
though and you know what? I wanted to mention this she has
2:07:34
his own lucky town threads.com which is she's got she's got
2:07:42
merch he makes T shirts. With Sin City What am I seeing here?
2:07:50
Wax addict
2:07:51
John C Dvorak: got a lot of T shirts lot of yeah t shirt list
2:07:54
of T shirts. Yes.
2:07:55
Unknown: Back door cover I mean Yeah, lucky town threads. So
2:07:59
that was interesting job he definitely has as artistic
2:08:02
chops. He just like sports sports T shirts and stuff so it
2:08:06
was kind of cool. And thank you very much for bringing us the
2:08:12
artwork for episode 1546 I was I was really good we thank all of
2:08:16
our artists of course you can join their ranks have
2:08:18
congratulating each other, which they do begrudgingly? Some I
2:08:22
think are sincere but you can see what that guy won again. But
2:08:28
you know, anybody can win except comics or Blogger was aI
2:08:32
generated art we just we tried to catch the AI generated stuff
2:08:36
and we just I've just been told that I don't like it. I want you
2:08:40
to use your way calm tablet at all times.
2:08:44
Is welcome I thought was way calm. Maybe it is okay then
2:08:50
don't correct me unless you're sure okay.
2:08:53
John C Dvorak: I know I never correct you yesterday I thought
2:08:55
it was dope was
2:09:03
Unknown: she this? This is why people get mad at you. You have
2:09:06
a way you have a way it's amazing. You have
2:09:09
John C Dvorak: a way yes called parsing ah
2:09:13
Unknown: as part of our time talent and treasure which is the
2:09:16
well all we ask in return I was explaining this Some people were
2:09:19
having dinner with how do you do this? By the way I'm looking for
2:09:25
someone in Phoenix Arizona who can do some audio engineering
2:09:28
for producing a podcast email me someone wants some help. So
2:09:33
yeah, well you know we've been doing this for 15 to 15 years
2:09:36
and and trying to explain time talent treasure and it's like
2:09:39
scary for people and they think about it but once you really get
2:09:42
into it once you do it once you've built up your own get mo
2:09:45
nation which is not easy. takes time. You have to have patience,
2:09:49
John C Dvorak: you have to have quality product SN key There you
2:09:52
go. Yes outstanding
2:09:54
Unknown: product is a requirement. And then
2:09:57
John C Dvorak: I mean I can I listen to podcast is not As much
2:10:00
as you do by listen to a lot of them and it's like who's gonna
2:10:03
do these podcasts are just two guys gassing? You know we do
2:10:07
some of that but we don't we try to put real content in.
2:10:11
Unknown: Yes, correct. And I'll say that, you know, people keep
2:10:17
telling me oh, you got to go on the tool boy and the pool boy at
2:10:19
pool boy show? No. I will say that his I said that twice. His
2:10:25
Culture Show is actually pretty good. Have you seen his culture
2:10:28
show?
2:10:29
John C Dvorak: I don't know what you're talking about Tim the
2:10:31
pool boy.
2:10:32
Unknown: I know Tim the pool boy. Yeah. So he has a he has a
2:10:35
beanie. Yes. He has another podcast where he just sits with
2:10:39
people are Joe Rogan. Then he's got good. Yes. It's
2:10:42
John C Dvorak: a Joe Rogan clone.
2:10:43
Unknown: Yes. It's a Joe Rogan clone. Yes. Which is exactly why
2:10:46
I'll never go on it. Because that would be like going on The
2:10:49
Tonight Show and then being a whore and going on The Late
2:10:52
Show. Yeah.
2:10:55
John C Dvorak: You're the Joe Rogan guy. You go on Joe Rogan
2:10:58
show
2:10:58
Unknown: exactly. I will never I will never butcher betray Joe
2:11:01
Rogan? Never. But you
2:11:03
John C Dvorak: did go and Glenn Beck. Yeah, not to say not the
2:11:07
same. I would say Glenn Beck's in a different category. Yes.
2:11:10
Diff very different category. But my dad would say,
2:11:14
Unknown: interestingly enough, when I went on, Glenn Beck, Joe
2:11:17
called me to come on, like two weeks later. I think that was
2:11:21
his signal to say, hey,
2:11:23
John C Dvorak: anyway, he was telling you not to go on back
2:11:25
anymore. I think Beck should get word of this.
2:11:28
Unknown: Maybe get you back on Beck has not called that. Oh,
2:11:32
you know who called who contacted me? Who wants me back
2:11:35
on for full hour.
2:11:38
Come on. Ruben. No, Ruben. I've never been on Rubin. Back on.
2:11:44
Oh, back on. Yeah. Oh, uh, Tom would know. Not full hour. Oh, I
2:11:49
John C Dvorak: know who it is. Yeah. Kelly. Yeah, that's
2:11:53
Unknown: right. Megan. Yeah. I think we got one. One new
2:11:59
listener from the Megyn Kelly show.
2:12:01
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Yes, I think it was one. One. Yeah. I
2:12:07
don't think it's going to end you go on her show. Again. It's
2:12:09
going to be another one.
2:12:11
Unknown: Probably I like her those
2:12:12
John C Dvorak: and have the crossover that Rogan has as a
2:12:15
problem. Once you
2:12:16
Unknown: know that. You'd hope that you could get some people
2:12:20
to come listen to us but I think we got one Yeah, we got one.
2:12:23
Kelly donation mega did she put
2:12:25
John C Dvorak: a that she put at lower third on there with the no
2:12:28
agenda show underneath her name? No. Yes, she did. I don't think
2:12:33
so. Yeah, sure, dude.
2:12:35
Unknown: I'm pretty sure she did. She mentioned it.
2:12:39
John C Dvorak: Though she met mentioning it is not the same as
2:12:41
a lower third.
2:12:42
Unknown: Okay. I will. Well, I think it was on the lower third.
2:12:45
I will ensure it is on the lower third. I will have her put Adam
2:12:49
curry co host no agenda show. Joe Rogan's boy.
2:12:55
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, you if you put I think it was maybe
2:12:57
had maybe it was Adam crepe podcasters. Yeah, that's what
2:13:03
you're gonna get if you don't think was make a point. No, I
2:13:05
Unknown: always make a point. But I think she had x MTV VJ.
2:13:10
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think it was.
2:13:14
Unknown: Tina was mad because what was she just fangirling
2:13:16
over MTV? Who cares? Look at all the stuff. You're done. Look at
2:13:19
what you're doing. And she's right. She's right. She's right.
2:13:23
Keep her nose. We kick off our and by the
2:13:27
John C Dvorak: way, that's what these podcasts are. It's like
2:13:30
all of them are supposed to be log rolling. Anyway. That's what
2:13:35
you do. Log is like people don't come on The Tonight Show just to
2:13:38
because they're nice guys. They got a movie. You got a new
2:13:42
motion promotion? It's all about promotion. Yes. And who and
2:13:45
anyone who doesn't think that's true? Which is by the way, we
2:13:47
have no guests,
2:13:48
Unknown: correct? Because that's the reason.
2:13:53
John C Dvorak: Well, that's one reason the other guy got a
2:13:56
million reasons. But that's one good reason. But if you're going
2:14:00
to be on these shows that are all promotional. You just want
2:14:03
to get promoted. Chase. Yes. Does
2:14:06
Unknown: it take I agree. I agree. What does it
2:14:09
John C Dvorak: take to get a drink around here?
2:14:13
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John C Dvorak: I was counted by two people to make sure it was
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exactly where I eat and it was two to $2 bills and a fiver and
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Unknown: oh and right so a fiver and it was only out of 20 and
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then 2500s Yeah. Oh my god. Thank you sir. animus of
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Dogpatch and Loris LeBeau via we don't know much about him. But
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he does always send in a note which is usually or always
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thoughtful. And generally, yeah, and it's long More than normal
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this time but here he is Chag Pesach sama some ants I'm a
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happy Easter and Ramadan Kareem to all producers, religious
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periods are so important despite the ridiculous new cycle that
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has virtually eliminated their coverage and importance in the M
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five M, particularly after our democratically elected officials
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and many that were not elected, close all houses of worship
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during the lockdown.
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John C Dvorak: There are atheists Hello, I encourage I
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encourage
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Unknown: all to reengage in their faith rather than permit
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this drivel or this drive towards a secular belief in
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material things. I'll repeat that. I encourage you all to
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reengage in their faith rather than permit this drive toward a
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secular belief in material things. Focusing on a prayerful
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and faithful life has its advantages. For those whose
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holiday has passed. I hope you have renewed your faith. John,
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thank you for correcting that donation amount from last month.
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You will reward a railroad trip for you. Check out the new
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railroads station stamps at UPS usps.com. Although they they're
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no match for the Transcontinental Railroad
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stamps, I suspect you would like them. So is this a prize that
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you get or is he telling you to go get some stamps?
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John C Dvorak: He's telling me to go get some stamps? He knows
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I was as a kid. I was adamant stamp collector. Yes, because I
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still buy a plate now and again. I had a
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Unknown: penny black as a kid. Good for you. You don't even
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know what that is? No, I don't know. Very, very, very famous
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stamp.
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John C Dvorak: But you still have it.
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Unknown: I wish. I think I traded. I traded it for an
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outboard motor.
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John C Dvorak: Let's probably worth a million bucks by now.
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Unknown: I also sold 65 Bitcoin at $900. Yeah, go. I'm a genius.
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John C Dvorak: You should have kept that.
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Unknown: Go. Thanks, John. Thanks for that tip. The artwork
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on the $2 bill I was referencing was Trimble's depiction of the
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signing of the Declaration of Independence on the back of the
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bill as it captures all of the signers. Yes. And I have seen
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people who have told me that they went out and got some $2