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John C Dvorak: Stand Alone
monster. Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: April 20 2023 award
winning keep my nation media
assassination episode 1548 This
is no agenda with no more hope
for Mars. broadcasting live from
the heart of the Texas your
country here in SEMA reason
number six in the morning
everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where everybody's
going to Golden Gate Park at 420
to have a community Toke. I'm
Jhansi Dvorak
Unknown: buzzkill
Adam Curry: they still do that
in San Francisco they still do
the community Toke?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, How corny
can you be
Adam Curry: it was kind of you
know, it was kind of a thing
when it was 20 years ago. Yeah.
even longer than that when it
was illegal. Now that then I was
like, oh, yeah, look at us, man.
We're bold. We're out here. Now
I read today Americans spend
more on legal weed then what?
Product? Vodka
Unknown: no
John C Dvorak: more on legal
weed than guns. Oh, you
Adam Curry: know what I would
have helped if this stream was
back on I guess the stream
John C Dvorak: was on I guess
not. So that he was here my
funny bit No, I
Adam Curry: don't think anyone
hurts. You're funny. You're
funny. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
There we go. We're back. The
question again now Jhansi
Dvorak, should you still want to
participate in our quiz
Americans now spend more on
which product then this then
we'd
John C Dvorak: know more on this
product that you mean more on?
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you. So I
almost want to do the show over
but no, it's okay more on legal
weed then this product
John C Dvorak: okay, we already
went past Vika and Okay. Oil
changes
Adam Curry: chocolate which I
find hard to believe but I find
John C Dvorak: that hard to
believe apparently. Why a lot of
it I think has to do with the
prices illegal weeds expensive.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay,
good point.
John C Dvorak: It is a you can
buy a lot of chocolate bars for
150 bucks.
Adam Curry: Apparently the
difference is 30 billion versus
18 billion
John C Dvorak: ha yeah 30
billion cheese right just that
money maker going on?
Adam Curry: Yeah, although taxes
now are screw and all the guys
who thought they were making all
the dough. Anyway, we got it
John C Dvorak: that way illegal
weed in California is still
bigger probably. Money wise than
the legal
Adam Curry: stuff. Oh, of
course. Of course. I think
everywhere not just California
everywhere.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well,
they're over taxing. Yes. I will
let these guys get bank
accounts. I mean, the whole
thing is like a joke.
Adam Curry: So we went to
Nashville.
John C Dvorak: My heard that for
the meetup. That was it. I mean,
people
Adam Curry: I'd say there were
close to 100. And this was at
the at the same roller rink.
Where we're supposed to have a
last year. You go roller
skating. Are you crazy? No, of
course. No, absolutely. I don't
go skiing anymore. I don't do
snow. I'm 58 this is exactly
what I don't know.
John C Dvorak: Geez. Well, 58 So
new 38 Okay, at least I get out
of the house. We get out of the
house. I went out of the house.
Well, we're really to the
backyard shoo away some dogs in
the yard. There are so
Adam Curry: many people who
really really want to see you.
Yeah, I mean, like Dane
John C Dvorak: Do you pack them
in? You pack them in literally,
Adam Curry: patch Sir Patrick
Scoble is now coordinate who of
course, organized a fantastic
event. Dame Jennifer was there
really making everything so
smooth? For the whole production
was great. Damien Edison, Dame
Christina pearl or husband came
a lot of people came down from
Indiana, to Nashville.
John C Dvorak: Because Indiana
people are really some
Adam Curry: incredible but
there's you got fans, man, they
really want to put together the
train meet up at the train
museum meet up or something.
There's
John C Dvorak: a big museum in
the Midwest someplace. I'd go to
that.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, which
one is that?
John C Dvorak: I mean, if I'd
had to look it up, uh, yeah.
They keep talking about some
monster big museum. It's got
some some gear that nobody else
has. And it's supposed to be
pretty interesting.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, maybe
Yes, sir. Patrick cool. Making
that make it happen. Yeah, you
can count on me. You know who
else was there? The Canadian
refugees and their bus. Do you
remember the Canadian Refugees.
Yeah, the family. I mean, they
got five kids in that bus. And
kids? Well, yeah, I mean, you
recall that they bet practically
running from the law. You know,
one of them, you know, they're
one of the new kids. I think a
lot of them are adopted if most,
if not all, I'm not sure
John C Dvorak: that at least
they're well fed.
Adam Curry: Well, you are
really, really, I mean, you have
such such heart for the for
everyone this morning, don't
you? Yeah. Can I tell you a
funny travel story?
John C Dvorak: Yes, that's what
we're here for. So,
Adam Curry: because there is no
direct flight from either Austin
or San Antonio to Nashville,
which would mean Southwest
Airlines to well pick pick your
pick your poison, with a
possible layover, which as I
don't know if you heard the news
yesterday. You probably didn't
know. So we went out on Monday.
And we of course, we would want
to come back. Preferably Tuesday
and not necessarily a Wednesday.
Well, here's what happened on
Tuesday,
Unknown: a computer glitch at
Southwest Airlines cause more
than 2200 flights to be delayed
today. Southwest was forced to
ground its entire fleet this
morning, frustrating fliers, the
software malfunction lasted less
than an hour. Yeah,
Adam Curry: less than an hour,
but you know exactly how that
goes. So that would have screwed
everything up. Who knows if I
would have even been back on
time. And to circumvent that
exact problem. I saved up months
worth of my instrument flying
lessons. So we could fly there.
I could fly us with the
instructor. And this
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's a good
idea. taken his structured
lesson and mostly Yes, yes,
there. Yes.
Adam Curry: But check it out. So
Tina has never flown with me.
She I don't think she's ever
been in a four passenger
aircraft. Now, these are modern
aircraft. But it's small. It's
like a car that flies. So we, in
the morning, we drive to
Gillespie airport, which is
seven minutes away. And we get
all set to go and we were in the
end. You know, there's there's a
run was one runway at this
airport. And you can land either
way depending on the wind. And
it's it's uncontrolled airport.
So you kind of decide what you
want to do. And the pilots talk
to each other. So we are waiting
by the runway, where we would be
next to enter the runway in the
O seven direction. But we're
waiting for a small assessment
to land who decided one four was
the direction that this person
was going to take. So it's
landing towards us. And we're
just watching. We're waiting,
okay, that we're on. We're
almost on the runway, we're
waiting. And it lands it bounces
up and it crashed lands right in
front of us.
John C Dvorak: That's fabulous.
Adam Curry: And Tina says I
didn't need to see that.
John C Dvorak: That is the
greatest story, especially for
somebody who has not been up in
a little plane
Adam Curry: and the female
pilots she was okay. But she
bounced up like 30 feet in the
air John and oh gee stalled and
she landed really hard. lunk the
gear collapses the plane starts
to nose over. You know, it's
like flip it didn't flip didn't
flip. Okay. And I like and
Tina's like, it's okay. We'll
still go. Like, are you kidding
me? You're probably possibly the
bravest passenger ever. I had
never even seen anything like
that. That was crazy. So that
takes an hour. Of course.
John C Dvorak: That's hilarious.
I
Adam Curry: knew you'll get a
kick out of it.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I can just
imagine
Adam Curry: it was it was was
not not a happy start. So then
we fly. We got the tailwind so
like three and a half hours. And
then we're at Nashville airport,
smaller airport near Nashville.
And we're 8000 feet descending
down and then all I hear is like
Southwest air traffic control
controls Southwest Airlines
going Yeah, no, that's not
moderate. That's not moderate
turbulence. We'd appreciate a
heads up you know, my passengers
were pretty surprised by that.
And I'm like, Oh, crap.
Unknown: It's a good one. And
Adam Curry: it is horrible. I
mean, we are is it oh, we're
bouncing all over. People were
complaining in the hotel, people
saying yeah, it was really rough
coming in. So imagine that on
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this will
play out larious
Adam Curry: Oh, 14 a man of
certain points. You had my
jacket over her head. She just
didn't want to see
John C Dvorak: Lee so poor girl.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: I am. So she is so
badass. And she said now is in
God's hands. I'm good. And then
she happily went back to even
flew back with us and she do it
again. But just share why now.
It was safe. It was a little too
long for calm. For because you
know we don't have it. No, no
toilet facilities on board. Now
you always got to consider that.
Anyway, I'm sure we'll be
talking more about that
incurring the keeper there's a
lot more to it but that was that
was the highlights of the of the
travel. And just man it was so
great that so many people who
have been around so long even
Jeff Smith showed up. Yeah, the
one and only Jeff Smith. So it
was it was a great meetup and
John C Dvorak: urging a lot of
them. No.
Adam Curry: You're just possibly
the worst human being.
John C Dvorak: Might as well get
a jingle out of
Adam Curry: you will be happy to
know we do have some donations
which we'll be discussing. Oh,
cannot donate. Oh, there it is.
Now he's happy. Okay, so
everybody, here's the news for
this morning in case you missed
it, it blowed up. Elon Musk's
420 launch? Did you see
John C Dvorak: this? Have you
seen a good movie? I think
blowing up or glob
Adam Curry: it would happen. It
just started tumbling when the
the main thruster or booster was
supposed to separate and just
starts turning and turning and
then the whole thing you know,
lights up on fire. It was great.
Because Jean, you know, he's
He's crazy about this. I mean,
he wants to live with Elon and
Sir gene. And so he's texted me.
Oh, yeah. Well, a few minutes
ago, and I'm getting the show
ready, and then he's text me
blast off. And then I don't hear
anything from him. And then I
get the clip start coming in.
Here's an example of that
separation.
Unknown: So there was there's
two big pieces of this rocket
there's the starship itself and
there's the booster underneath
the booster had those 33 engines
at about two minutes 50 seconds.
They were supposed to separate
where that booster is done it
goes back to Earth and and then
the starships engines light and
go but that separation between
those two really big pieces did
not happen. And so then it is
tumbling as both pieces together
tumbling around and clearly with
the engines led to explosions on
the vehicle. You know some I
mean I'm sure everyone is really
is disappointed in some ways,
but this is very much a test.
And this starship project takes
very audacious steps for good
reason because it's the ship
that will take us to the moon
the biggest goal for them was to
make sure they cleared the
launch pad so the launch pad pad
could be used again quickly
because they have they have
but now this was a development
test.
Adam Curry: Listen to that
listen to how the message is
changing here. Even with the
explosions
Unknown: we just saw you're
saying this is a victory for
them because they cleared the
launch pad mentally in steps
absolutely you know everything
ready to go sensor systems you
know all those kinds of things.
All those things went well
leaving the launchpad but what's
really important about leaving
the launchpad it sounds silly
but if you damage that
Launchpad, you can't try again
very quickly. And that's this is
their their modus operandi is to
foil
John C Dvorak: Rocky and I got
to try quickly either way,
listen to this modus
Adam Curry: operandi
Unknown: pad. You can't try
again very quickly. And that's
this is their their modus
operandi is to fail, not to
fail, but to basically fail
often take big steps so that you
can actually take those steps
and see
Adam Curry: No, I don't I don't
agree with that. That's not
that's no one. operate. Who
John C Dvorak: is this
spokeswoman?
Adam Curry: She's a she's a
Space X. spokeswoman. This is an
AB Oh, yeah, obviously.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. But oh, no,
she's terrible. Fire her.
Adam Curry: Maybe this is maybe
it isn't her. Maybe this is
anchor Katie. No, I think this
is Katie Coleman.
Unknown: Yeah, operandi. Is
John C Dvorak: she apologizing
for the company she's
Adam Curry: the ABC space girl
Unknown: but that's this is
their their modus operandi it is
to fail to basically, fail often
take big steps so that you can
steps and see if you can leap
ahead as opposed to step you
know, tiny step by tiny step. A
lot of big steps with this
launch. They have vehicles ready
to go starships, okay, and
boosters, ready to put on that
pad. Again. I can't say how
soon, but that's what's
different about the way SpaceX
thinks is. You know, let's let's
take some big steps.
Adam Curry: SpaceX thinks
different they think failure.
John C Dvorak: No, they want to
blow things up because you learn
a lot more.
Adam Curry: I mean, I'm 60 years
ago, we went to the moon
remember? How come Elon can't do
it? What because he wants to
take big steps but not big
enough to someone that we can
replicate that is almost 60
years ago. I mean, this is kind
of playing into my theory. If
you don't mind me saying, What's
your theory? We never went to
the moon. Like you don't know my
theory.
John C Dvorak: Well, you have a
ton of theories I thought you're
gonna talk about using water as
gasoline.
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, they keep
gaslighting us with this
Unknown: this warning the
Pentagon has revealed it's now
tracking more than 650 potential
cases of unidentified aerial
phenomena, or UAS, commonly
known as UFOs. That number up
significantly from 350 reports
referenced earlier this year,
but official stress they found
no evidence of alien activity,
Arrow has found no credible
evidence thus far of extra
terrestrial activity offworld
technology or objects that defy
the known laws of physics, the
majority of unidentified objects
reported to arrow demonstrate
mundane characteristics of
balloons unmanned aerial systems
clutter natural phenomena or
other readily explainable
sources.
During a Senate hearing
yesterday, officials played this
video of an object behaving in a
way they initially could not
explain. But after analyzing the
video frame by frame, they
determined this
this is the heat signature off
of the engines of a commuter
aircraft that happened to be
flying in the vicinity
also played at the hearing this
video of an unresolved case
showing a small orb spotted near
a US drone flying in the Middle
East last year. Officials say
cases like this are hard to
resolve because there's only
video no other data UAPs at face
new scrutiny in the months after
the Chinese spy balloon was shot
down off South Carolina. And now
according to a recently leaked
US intelligence report, China
has manufactured a high altitude
spy drone capable of flying at
three times the speed of sound.
officials fear it could be used
to target US military sites. A
government official who
testified yesterday urged UFO
enthusiast not to just post
images on social media, but to
submit them to scientists for
research.
Adam Curry: submit them to
science for research.
John C Dvorak: I love that
little ball that shot underneath
that one under one movie. Which
one is your thing? No. This is a
new dama de orb.
Adam Curry: Oh, the tic tac
thing
John C Dvorak: was a tic tac I
don't know what they were sure
they had some buddy shooting a I
think from I don't know from a
satellite or something they know
they're following some drone and
into this little Mall. A cute
little round chrome ball go
shooting across the screen.
Project Blue Beam. There we go.
Adam Curry: So I've learned a
new term, which I think we
should incorporate it can be
exclusive to the no agenda show
it came from one of our
producers. Who says you and John
as usual have done a better job
than anyone else at outlining a
classic dangle up. A dangle up.
Wow. Yeah. I said, you put in
all the right clips to show this
was a long term dangle.
John C Dvorak: Was it dangle?
Well, a dangle
Adam Curry: a debt well read on
and then use at the time when it
becomes appropriate. In the old
days, we used to use dangle ops
only against our adversaries. I
guess this is like a
adversaries. adversary. Thank
you. I guess there's more like
what Whitney Webb would call a
limited Hangout, but maybe the
real term, maybe the real term
is dangle up. And I'm starting
to think that sounds a lot from
from from one of our patients
John C Dvorak: like he's working
in somewhere.
Adam Curry: Yes, I will read on
the tactics here appeared to
have more to do with bureaucrat
bureaucratic score settling than
policy with some political
influence as well. It's not just
cover your ass on Ukraine. It's
not just pushing some form of
the Restrict act. Or it could it
be in my experience with the
boys and Ford meeting at Langley
from my times in Southwest Asia
and Southern Africa and Central
America in the 80s and 90s.
John C Dvorak: Okay, no slouch,
whoever it is already,
Adam Curry: was to never
underestimate their ability to
confuse mission with
bureaucratic achieve
advancement. This dangle up is
beautiful. It helps to fight if
even if not successful, the
blowback on the Restrict Act
provides a counter to the
Ukraine narrative which is
falling apart at least
politically. DOD gets nailed the
White House get nailed but who
doesn't get nailed? Well,
obviously CIA now they're
John C Dvorak: they're good to
go. And I angle up i layers our
show titles
Adam Curry: right off the bat. I
really like this and taking that
in mind and of
John C Dvorak: course we're
always just comes to mind
dangling, dangling you know,
carrot, it's like dangling some
shiny object you dangle it? Yes.
Correct. That's and you get
attracted to that whatever is
being dangled, you go, Oh,
what's that? And then you keep
walking
Adam Curry: towards a shiny
object.
John C Dvorak: It's a shiny
object, and we're walking
towards it because it's shiny.
Adam Curry: So what I've noticed
is and again, you know, you're
gonna send me all the papers
that you've seen, but I still
haven't. No, I
John C Dvorak: didn't. I never
said that. You said you've seen
so much and it's all I've seen
them. It doesn't mean I got it.
to send you okay, I have not
seen
Adam Curry: all the things that
are being discussed. So as a
dangle op, I completely agree
with our, our operative in this
case that this is this is going
this is an operation that you
can shove anything into we kind
of, as we said he gave he
complimented us, you guys
figured it out. In fact, did you
know that the no agenda show is
the best podcast in the
universe? It's in the leaked
documents. It was also in the
Mueller report,
John C Dvorak: if you recall.
Yeah. Well, we know that I
didn't know is in the lead. Yes.
But yes, now that you mentioned
it.
Adam Curry: And who discovered
all this? Who found this kid?
This said, Oh, we got some
great. We have so many cool
producers. I have
John C Dvorak: a bunch of notes,
too. As lot of it. I want to
throw one out there right away,
which is that somebody claims
that I disparaged the National
Guard
Adam Curry: do I don't think you
did.
John C Dvorak: Well, what I said
was I thought that that because
he was in the National Guard or
whatever he was the you know,
the reserves. Now, he was not as
good as a full time Air Force
guy. And I said it in such a way
that it was disparaging to one
of our National Guard listeners.
Adam Curry: No, I think that's
just people being sensitive
because they they get that crap
all the time. Oh, you're
National Guard. You're not real.
Even though even though they
deployed more
John C Dvorak: there, there was
get shipped. Go to
Adam Curry: Ukraine. Exactly.
Hey, wait
John C Dvorak: a minute. I'm not
real. What am I doing here?
Adam Curry: One of our former
law enforcement officers from
California wrote in and said the
federal raid on the leaker with
the SWAT team, having the
suspect turn around and walk
backwards, is obvious. The FBI
was told to make a big show of
force in an effort to dissuade
any future leakers. This was
just a show of force pre planned
and intentional. The news being
aware was part of it. The news
helicopter, the tactics of how
the suspect was handled is
commonly known as high risk or
felony contact, where the cops
don't go and engage the subs the
suspect. Instead, they make them
walk backwards towards them. The
point being to gauge the
suspects level of cooperation
and allow the officers the
greatest advantage to a
potentially dangerous person was
this necessary? No, especially
since this was a nonviolent
crime, digital crime. But again,
this was a sledgehammer response
used specifically to send a
message that they are serious.
And don't try this or this could
be you know, I disagree with
that. To me, this is all
theater. And I think we pretty
much deconstructed on 1547 that
this is being used for anything
that they need to throw out
there. And it's when I hear this
piece this is from this was Josh
Rogan from the Wall Street
Journal, Wall Street Journal who
discovered this, if you recall,
Josh Rogan, er O G I N. I, I
have a feeling that the Wall
Street Journal is in on this,
because when you hear I've never
heard a reporter from the Wall
Street Journal doing the rounds,
but now he is. And here's
another little tidbit that he
picked up from the leaked
documents which I have not seen.
Other than that we are the best
podcast in the universe. And I
think this is being used, in
this case by military industrial
complex or the money people
money people to get more money
because China
Unknown: and there's the stuff
that we should have known about
this is what I recorded on land
that China has tested a new
hypersonic missile that can
defeat our aircraft carriers and
our missile defense. In other
words, we spent 30 years
building aircraft carriers and
missile defense, and the Chinese
built a missile for 100 1000s of
the price that makes those
things. Absolutely that seems
kind of important for people to
know, why were we hiding that?
That was in the documents, I
brought that out? I think that
there's a lot of stuff in the
documents that American people
should know, because it reveals
that the world is changing fast
and our government really
Adam Curry: listen to them.
Listen, here's the pitch.
Unknown: It does make a
difference. Because usually I
would say, hey, we don't need to
release everything that they
have knowing that what they
have, but I think there is if
you hit it on the head, there is
a need for the American people
to understand the world is about
to dramatically change. And the
United States is sitting around
with its hands in its pockets.
Right so maybe we
Adam Curry: shouldn't I think
Glenn Beck has also been read in
action have him set this up.
Okay, build
Unknown: more aircraft carriers,
and maybe we should build the
stuff that fights hypersonics
because that's what our enemies
are shooting at us. Okay,
correct. And okay, how far to
these missiles fly and they're,
they're hypersonic, which I've
just heard last week or the week
before that. We now have one but
I don't know if I believe that.
This is a hypersonic which makes
it almost impossible to take
down. Right? Right. It's
hypersonic, which means it flies
faster than sound, but it's also
hypersonic. The line, which
means you can maneuver it. So
when we shoot up the missile
defense, all we have to do is
maneuver around it. And we can
also move, they can also
maneuver it to hit our aircraft
carriers, basically as far as
Guam, as the Pacific is now, you
know, no entry for our aircraft
carriers if they decide to use
these things, that's a huge
problem for Taiwan, but not just
for the entire south. They're
basically taking over Asia while
we're sleeping. Okay, and now,
I'm not saying that we should
buy hypersonic missiles to fight
hypersonic missiles. I'm saying
that we should buy the things or
build the things that defend
against hypersonic missiles. And
so it's complicated and you have
to think ahead of your opponent,
but right now they're thinking
ahead of us.
Adam Curry: It doesn't matter.
He's just saying we need to we
need to spend the money spend
money. And by
John C Dvorak: the way, his
little commentary there
hypersonic is flying faster than
the speed of sound is not
hypersonic. I mean, you think
he'd have the kind of lingo
that's hypersonic specifically
means five times the speed of
sound, right?
Adam Curry: Supersonic is faster
than the speed of sound is one
time, right? Yeah, it would be.
So CBS obviously they're they're
all in on it because they are
the CIA broadcasting systems and
pixie girl is is reporting
Unknown: Catherine herridge has
an update on the case,
handcuffed as he entered the
Boston court. 21 year old Jack
tech serum now charged under the
Espionage Act stared into space
since the Air National Guardsmen
was arrested by heavily armed
federal agents outside his
mother's Massachusetts home.
Bipartisan outrage has built on
Capitol Hill over the leaked
Pentagon records posted online.
Today, a private briefing by the
nation's top intelligence
official seem to raise more
questions.
I certainly wasn't satisfied
with any plans they have in
place to prevent this from
happening in the future. I think
a lot of us wondered, you know,
our 21 year old airman
gets access to all of this
information yet a top secret
clearance.
traveling overseas defense
secretary Osteen did have
extraordinary access and
computer privileges because of
his military job.
This young man was a systems
administrators dude. Yeah, he
was a computer specialists that
that worked in an intelligence
unit.
Now that era National Guard
intelligence wings mission is
suspended as government
investigators.
Adam Curry: How does that work
though, so they just shut down
the guys who were admitting
stuff has just been stopped.
It's over. It's done. Your
Unknown: National Guard
intelligence wings mission is
suspended. As government
investigators probe the
potential damage to sources and
methods like human spies and
wiretaps.
The breadth of the information
that's been leaked is
problematic. Former senior
counterintelligence official
Bill Evelina told CBS News
declassified records will
undergo a painstaking review.
They're going line by line
through these documents as part
of the damage assessment line by
line
and we look to agency who
provided that information or
multiple agencies look at it
with their experts to deliver to
say what was in there and where
do we get it from?
Adam Curry: I'm just not seeing
all these documents. I'm hearing
reports about it. I mean, if it
was out on the internet, where
is it? I just am not seeing all
of this stuff. I didn't see any
intel about Chinese hypersonic
missiles. I have not seen that.
And for ABC. They have not
somebody
John C Dvorak: saw him but not
you.
Adam Curry: That's what I mean.
Yeah, people would always send
this stuff to me always and I've
asked for it since the last show
nothing I'm just not seeing all
this
John C Dvorak: mess trying to
get you some snow. Okay, okay.
You're not making a promise.
Adam Curry: Okay, just fine. The
Chinese missile stuff the
hypersonic missile, then I'll be
happy. I don't think I don't
think it's out there. Here's ABC
they have nothing they're not
reading. So what are we gonna do
Unknown: this morning? There's
word that a pro Russian blogger
theta t ro role in the spreading
of classified documents so
Adam Curry: we got a Russian
thing. What is that? Oh, and
we're not doing that that game
anymore,
Unknown: allegedly leaked by a
young Air National Guardsmen in
Massachusetts. According to The
Wall Street Journal. On April 5.
A social media again, Wall
Street Journal with a name
translating to the Donbass girl
posted four of the allegedly
leaked classified documents to
its 65,000 followers. The Wall
Street Journal says that social
media account is overseen by a
former US Navy officer in
Washington State.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute. The
Donbass girl is not real. It's
overseen by someone in
Washington State. Did I
understand that properly?
John C Dvorak: I don't really
know anything about the Donbass
girl. Yeah, she's
Adam Curry: been around posting
stuff. That's the one who's kept
showing up and then she was
dead. And then she was a
teacher, I think is not the one.
John C Dvorak: I like I said I
don't remember but the Donbass
girl
Unknown: posted four of the
allegedly leaked classified
documents to its 65 1000
followers. The Wall Street
Journal says that social media
account is overseen by a former
US Navy officer in Washington
State, whose actions reportedly
prompted several large Russian
social media accounts to pick up
on the documents. ABC News has
not confirmed the journals
reporting
John C Dvorak: was just a girl
who has grabbed as many
documents as you can, and posted
them or shipped them to Russia.
I have no idea. I know there's
was something like that going
on. Do you think there's any
chance that the Wall Street
Journal getting all this stuff
and that there might be some
quid pro quo between News Corp
and the fact that they settled a
Dominion suit? Oh, yeah. And now
they get to they have to do this
as penance or there's some some
Hanky Panky going on about that.
Interesting. it's any
coincidence that the Dominion
suit Yeah, I use the word
advisedly. Yeah. Any coincidence
that the that the suit was
settled, but meanwhile, the Wall
Street Journal's staging for the
Pentagon for all these stories?
Adam Curry: There are no
coincidences in intelligence. Or
in government probably. Yeah,
that I'm not quite sure how the
quid pro quo works is still out.
$787 million,
John C Dvorak: or are they? Oh,
Mm hmm.
Adam Curry: MSNBC is really
pathetic if you thought ABC was
bad. Jen Psaki inside with Jen
Sokka she's the worst she has
not.
John C Dvorak: Rotary on banning
her now good. Probably
Adam Curry: a good idea. The
ratings have halved since the
spectacular launch of the show,
because everyone sampled it. And
when
John C Dvorak: a likable person,
you know, TV people, especially
the women, the women, they have
to be likable.
Adam Curry: Yes, she's not
cheap. But it's also not just
the likability it's just dumb
Unknown: look for the country
that cologne
Adam Curry: when did it Why does
this have? Why is? Why do I only
have one channel from YouTube?
Sokhi. Hold on second. I want to
do this. Sorry, I had no idea.
See what happened? Oh, no, it's
only one channel
Unknown: classified information
could be shared by a 21 year old
kid who simply wanted to show
off. But you know, what else is
a bad look, when a 76 year old
former president is suspected of
doing something pretty similar?
Oh, no.
Adam Curry: This week. She's
saying that it's a bad look.
When it 20 Something we've heard
this contest consistently. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I think we've
heard it to death.
Adam Curry: Does this and you
know shows off the documents.
He's, he's stolen. But you know,
it's even worse than
Unknown: a 76 year old former
president is suspected of doing
something pretty similar. This
week, the New York Times
revealed that the Special
Counsel in the MAR a Lago
documents case is investigating,
quote whether former President
Trump showed off to aides and
visitors a map with him when he
left office, a map that contains
sensitive intelligence
information. We don't know what
that map is up.
Adam Curry: But it's sensitive
intelligence information. We'll
Unknown: know. Similar reporting
from the Washington Post that
investigators are scrutinizing
whether Trump's share classified
documents with political donors
with political donors maybe to
show off to them so. And it
comes after the post also
revealed that the FBI found
highly classified nuclear
secrets pertaining to graft. Who
knows what exactly or how much
information he might have shared
or with whom we don't know that?
Yeah, there's clearly a lot we
don't know. But even at this
early gen juncture, all of this
begs the question of whether
Donald Trump will be held to the
same standard as a 21 year old
Air National Guardsmen.
Adam Curry: It's not it's not
even a good outrage story. I
mean, it's not good
John C Dvorak: at all. She's no
good, but this day gave her the
bottom of the barrel writers.
Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes, I think you're
right. I mean, that's all they
had was that that's all they
could do.
John C Dvorak: Pa, she's
probably not a good person to
work with him to kind of fiery
redhead. So she probably already
badgered the writers. I mean, I
can just see that back that back
room. Yeah, they wouldn't get to
do
Adam Curry: you mentioned that
earlier. You think she's just
not nice to the to the people
she works with? She
John C Dvorak: seems that way.
She's got that duplicitous
smile. You know, that little
that little I hear. I'm gonna
fix you eventually. Smile. She
doesn't seem like a nice person.
She snaps Yeah. i And she's not
a good host. She's made not
welcoming.
Adam Curry: I bet she she did.
She's made some enemies along
the way to know what I mean. I
could be I think so. I think
she's probably made some good
enemies. Okay. I see kind of the
topics you have. So I'm going to
do one that you don't have. And
then this is I think this is
better. In the news is
artificial intelligence. Oh my
oh my oh my
John C Dvorak: I've got a one
clip. Oh clips on that. I do.
Okay, but they're teasers
because I
Adam Curry: was too teasers. I
got stuff. Oh, okay.
John C Dvorak: Well, let's
listen to Scott Pelley. No,
that's stupid 60 minutes report
that everyone was all all over.
I just want to play a couple of
his opening remarks to show you
what an dumb report and an idiot
this guy is. And I will do a
complete deconstruction of that
on the Sunday show. Good. We may
Unknown: look on our time, as
the moment civilization was
transformed as it was by fire,
agriculture and electricity. In
2023, we learned that a machine
taught itself how to speak to
humans like appear, which is to
say with creativity, truth,
error and lies.
Adam Curry: No, no. Okay. Wow,
she just throw up on relativity
no less. Whoo. Yeah. And
John C Dvorak: lies. Idiot
number two clip
Unknown: is only one of the
recent breakthroughs in
artificial intelligence machines
that can teach themselves
superhuman skills. No.
John C Dvorak: Okay, what's the
suit? What? What in your mind?
This could have been an ask
Adam, what are your mind is
superhuman? What is superhuman?
flying faster than a jet planes
or speeding bullet? Speeding
Bullet X wrapping vision
stopping a
Adam Curry: moving train? X
rays,
John C Dvorak: stopping a movie
train? X ray vision?
Adam Curry: Yes, I would say X
ray vision is good. I mean, if
you could do large sums in your
head, maybe but computers do
that. And the only thing that's
new here is these these LLM 's
baby you know I'm sure there's
an LLM that's good for our
organization. You got to talk
like that. Now large language
models. That's what all the
marketing kids are talking about
the big lol. It's bull.
John C Dvorak: I would not I
would have done this whole thing
that I'm going to do on Sunday
today if I hadn't gotten so many
clips on one other topic, which
I think is more important and
more newsworthy. But this report
included, was based on a ton of
lies. The Silicon Valley guys
have buffaloed people like Scott
Pelley who haven't got a clue.
And they had
Adam Curry: Carlson who go on
Tucker Carlson also no clue.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Tucker
Carlson would be clueless. And I
will take the idea that there is
the other thing I could have
done. I'm gonna do a lot of
stuff I keep promising. I don't
do it. But I'm going to do this.
I'm going to take the Elon Musk
interview with Tucker in and cut
it up. So it makes sense.
Adam Curry: I do have one clip
from it today.
John C Dvorak: I won't bother me
at all.
Adam Curry: So just just to hit
the top line. I mean, what has
happened here is Silicon Valley
has unleashed they're cracking
the UNLEASH THE KRAKEN moment to
raise capital in a declining
advertising market and a
profitable possible larger than
ever thought recession. And, and
all of a sudden, oops, there was
chat GPT a got away from Elon.
He wasn't he wasn't he was he
had his eye off the ball, I
think. And then this Sam Altman
is
John C Dvorak: Sam Altman is the
FTX guy.
Adam Curry: No. Is it Sam
Altman? No, no, no, no, that's
now you're confusing me.
John C Dvorak: Now Sam Friedman.
Adam Curry: That's bagman fried.
Yes. Bank man
John C Dvorak: fried fried
whatever. Like fries. Sounds
better, because he's going to
Adam Curry: so ALTMAN I think
it's Altman you know, he he
basically launches this, this
marketing ploy, which is just
dynamite was a genius. And you
know, as we all know it and
everyone's running around, all
the consultants are going oh,
it's horrible. But they're
desperate for, for a business
model. I have not heard a
business model yet. No one's
gonna pay for this. But yeah, of
course,
John C Dvorak: you know, I had
just mentioned this. So in the
60 minutes piece, one of the
guys they bring in their AI guy,
not AI nut. No, he says he had
to do this and that to get into
Google, he says, because what I
really want to do is get into
and then they wrote, they do a
voiceover say he wanted to get
into the Google, they showed one
of the data centers. And it was
this dataset, this monstrous
data center that was cost a
fortune to operate, where Barfi
exists. Also, guess all I'm
gonna stick with your theory on
this. This is too expensive,
Adam Curry: and they have no
business Model people will have
to pay for it if they want to
use it and they're gonna have to
pay a lot. And there's the
there's seemingly no way. I
mean, it's not like they're
gathering your most intimate
thoughts. You know, you're
saying, hey, write me some code,
write me a thesis write me this.
Make me oh, do a photo. This is
a beautiful story.
Unknown: Now a fierce debate has
been sparked in the world of
photography after an artist
entered a photo competition with
an image generated by artificial
intelligence, and won. The image
shows two women which do not
exist and was entered into the
creative category of the Sony
world photography awards by
German artists, Boris and
Jackson. Jackson has refused the
prize and said he submitted the
image to find out if
competitions would be prepared
for AI images to enter
Adam Curry: now, so they have
this guy on a moment. Have you
seen this picture? No. Oh, go
look for the Sony photo award.
You'll see these two women, it
people were sending it to me,
you know, like kgs. And it was
said to me kg saying, Do you
think what do you think of this
photo? I'm like, well, that's
obviously a I look at the
fingers. The left hand is like
her thumb is upside down. Hello.
Look at the woman behind her
face. It's obviously AI
generated at that point. I
didn't know that Sony had given
it the award, the award for best
photo. So that says something
about the Sony judges for this
competition. But this this is a
nonstory, you look at this thing
you see it right away
John C Dvorak: with a woman and
a woman behind her. And it's
like, Yes,
Adam Curry: look at it. Look at
the hand on the on her. Oh
John C Dvorak: my god, the hand
on the left to her or I'm sorry,
her right hand and the woman
behind is deformed. And how
about the other hand is coming
off from some place in the in
another town and
Adam Curry: the thumb of her
left of her left hand is on the
bottom. I see this right away.
John C Dvorak: Oh my god, you're
right.
Unknown: Looks like they were
not and the artists behind that
picture joins me now. Boris L
Jackson, welcome to the day. Now
it's being reported that you
revealed that the picture you
submitted was a I generated but
you were pretty upfront about it
ever since you found out you
were selected, weren't you?
Yes, of course, it was not about
winning anything. It was making
a test, trying to find out if
the competition is prepared. And
my mission was to create
awareness for that, that we need
to keep this in mind in the for
the community that it is going
to happen. It's going to happen
on a much, much larger scale in
the future.
How did the organizers of the
event react when you told them
the picture was in fact not a
photograph?
I offered them they could like
give it to someone else. But if
they don't, it would be good to
have an open conversation for
the public. Because it is
something that is pressuring the
football community. Their
response was thought they were
saying you can keep it and that
was it. There was no response to
my offer of having a discussion
or conversation
Adam Curry: right so they're so
embarrassed as they should be
because anyway
John C Dvorak: I'm disagreeing
This is a scam. Do not
embarrassed this was all done
for publicity. I never heard of
this competition before now I've
heard of it. This is bogus. That
picture just just for I don't
care if the thumbs here or there
anyplace else that picture
sucks. It's not a ward winning
photo.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm in
agreement on that too. Yeah. Oh,
it's
John C Dvorak: not an award
winning for this is the best A
good practice is pretty piss
poor the best they could do. I
think Sony was in on this this
is the whole thing was is is a
Dipsy do it's bullcrap. Very
positive publicity stunt. Oh,
we're so embarrassed that we
were fooled. Bullcrap
Adam Curry: a Dipsy? Do Dipsy?
Do. Okay, so, here comes part of
what I think is a real problem.
And what Silicon Valley is so
worried about are all going to
die. Now what's happening? Is
your eroding your existing
business model of stealing
people's content and charging
users to view it, listen to it,
etc. And user generated content?
Well, yes, they're happy taking
the user generated content, but
when it comes to stuff that's
licensed, that they that Google
pays an enormous amount of money
to the record industry that
recorded music industry in
licensing to be used on YouTube
and other other avenues as
doesn't matter that they
licensed that for their reels
you know, of course, that's what
tick tock is all about. This
would have been part of what
made them great is having all
the license all the music
license for people to use, and
now it's like, oh,
Unknown: you know the name and
with 40 The number one hits
there's no mistaking superstar
Rihanna is voice either. But
this morning major concern in
the music industry as verbiage
from artists like Rihanna, or
artificially being warped into
songs they've never even
recorded, like Beyonce has hit
cuff it
this rendition featuring Rihanna
is voice made using artificial
intelligence
AI version going viral on social
media notching more than 6
million views on Twitter and
Rihanna isn't the only one. Some
artists like David Guetta, even
using AI themselves to add
surprises to their set lists.
And that went to another AI
website that can
John C Dvorak: recreate
Unknown: the voice and put the
text in that
the DJ playing an AI generated
sample of rapper m&ms voice in
front of a live audience.
This is the future of rave
sounds.
I'm getting Austin and
underground. Get a clarifying on
Twitter. Obviously, I won't
release this commercially Drake
that up after this hit from
rapper ice spice you thought I
was gonna use got a Drake remake
without his permission or an
actual performance by him. He
thought I was gonna you know,
Drake now calling it the final
straw. experts warned this
technology could lead to major
legal battles. When you put up
a song whether it's on tick tock
or if you put it on through
YouTube. Well, you're
distributing music, and then you
may be subject to copyright laws
or takedown policies from those
platforms.
Now Universal Music Group home
of artists like Katy Perry and
Taylor Swift asking streaming
services to block AI companies
from accessing its music.
I think what you're going to see
is the major labels and major
label publishers come together
and put a lot of pressure on the
platforms to regulate AI
generated music, the major
labels and publishers spend so
much time effort money marketing
these artists, they want to make
sure that they're getting paid
accordingly.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so that ship
has left as far as I'm
concerned. It's yeah, when it
comes to Silicon Valley, where
they have no way to make money
off of this, and it's
cannibalizing their existing
lock on industry, because they
can afford the licenses and now
they're getting in trouble with
the license holders. And the
license holders are not happy.
And it also shows you how
pathetic This music is. This
will auto tune that almost AI to
begin with, most of it is
pathetic. And notice that it's
not creating the new Beatles
band. It's not creating the new
nirvana. No, it's taking old
stuff, existing stuff existing
and putting a different artists
voice over it. It's not anything
new and innovative. There's no
human creativity in here. But
all tell the kids about it as as
like they talk about on the
social and MA
Unknown: are the artists rights
in all of this. Now,
this is where it gets really
tricky. Because when you
generate something, whether
that's a piece of art or a song,
it's technically a new piece of
content. So if I asked for a
song in the style of Ariana
Grande, it will make music that
sounds exactly like hers, but
it's not her music. And as it
stands today, you can't
copyright a vibe or an essence.
So we might see some revisions
to copyright laws or some rules
as to what can and can't get
included in training these
systems. In fact, yesterday,
Universal Music put out a big
statement that none of their
artists work can be used to
train AI systems.
Adam Curry: Wow, wow. Wow, oh,
no, this it's just as bad as
that photo. No, compile
something classical for me
something brand new, not in the
style of That's it. That's all
it can do is in the style of
Shakespeare in the style of this
in the style of Drake in the
style. He'd be up at Oh, in the
style, do a poem in the style of
John C. Dvorak. How many times
if someone said that to you. So
John C Dvorak: there was a
lawsuit. I think it was in the
late 20s or 30s. And I think it
still stands around as precedent
being Crosby. It's very well
known and immune. He was just
acting like
Adam Curry: Crosby was
universally not liked.
John C Dvorak: Bing Crosby sued
a guy who sounded exactly like
him. And he was picking up a lot
of voiceover work for
commercials and other things.
And Crosby won the suit. Really.
And that kind of thing is still
valid. I think there's a lot of
these things like you can't use
things for advertising. You
know, you can't it's just a lot
of you can't put somebody's I
can't put your picture You're on
some advertisement for a car.
I'm
Adam Curry: no yes. No, no, you
can't.
John C Dvorak: So this is no
different. I don't see the
difference. This is just, you
know, yeah. Okay, you can you
can find some that sounds just
like Ariana Grande to create
some bogus song to if you want.
It's just a it's a it's a
tempest in a teapot.
Adam Curry: Precisely. But the
from a rights perspective,
there's going to be right
there's already several
lawsuits. Now Elon Musk is suing
Microsoft that saying, Whoa,
they illegally scraped Twitter
to train their AI Um, can you
imagine the chat GPT 123 and
four, and auto GPT and all this
GPT stuff has all been trained
on Twitter conversations. That's
well, that's some solid data for
you. Though this is this is a
John C Dvorak: helming lawsuit.
That's a dubious lawsuit.
Adam Curry: But this is a Hail
Mary from Silicon Valley. And
and the the main plan. Elon Musk
shows is true. Barnum Bailey,
self PT Barnum self, because as
I'm so convinced this guy
doesn't know what he's talking
about. He's just a marketing
guy. When he talked to Tucker,
about this about Larry Page and
or Larry, I don't talk anymore
because we had a dispute over AI
and I said it was dangerous. We
have to keep it open. And no man
you were boning his wife. We all
know what happened. That's why I
got in a fight. Remember that
little story? I Yes. No, yes,
no. Now it was a I mean,
Unknown: the reason open AI
exists at all is that Larry
Page, and I used to be close
friends, and I would stay at his
house in Palo Alto. And I would
talk to him late into the night
about AI safety and AI safety.
At least my perception was that
Larry was not taking AI safety
seriously enough. And what did
he say about it? He really
seemed to be hit out
Adam Curry: in my house. Get
off, my wife is going to say my
wife get
John C Dvorak: out of my house.
Unknown: She really seems to be
what it was once sort of digital
super intelligence, basically
digital God, if you will,
Adam Curry: digital god. Yeah,
there it is.
Unknown: As soon as possible.
wanted that? Yes. He's made many
public statements over the
years. That the whole goal of
Google is what's called AGI
artificial general intelligence
Adam Curry: and understand
something and helped me and
we'll continue this in a minute.
If the whole goal of Google was
the digital guide, the general
artificial intelligence, why did
Google scramble and have to
throw barf out there after
Microsoft basically did
something that was cute. I mean,
wouldn't they be the leaders?
Would they have it already? And
instead, they throw up something
that that missed
John C Dvorak: a long way they
threw together Google Plus?
Yeah, whether they would because
they're always late to the game.
And so yes, I'll tell you why.
Okay, because Musk is full of
crap about this.
Unknown: Yeah. He's made many
public statements over the
years. That's the whole goal of
Google is what's called AGI
artificial general intelligence
or artificial superintelligence.
No, and I agree with him that
there's great potential for
good, but there's also potential
for bad and so if you've got
some radical new technology, you
want to try to take set actions
that maximize probably a bit
will do good and minimize
probably will do bad things.
Yes. It can't just be helpful.
Others just go, you know,
barreling forward and hope for
the best and then at one point I
said, Well, what about you know,
we're gonna make sure humanity's
okay here.
Adam Curry: Okay, what is this?
What is this? What is this
laughing What is this? Autism
John C Dvorak: is your scene
about a patient's wife.
Unknown: And then at one point I
said Well, what about you know,
we're gonna make sure humanity's
okay here.
Adam Curry: I think you're
right, I think your case closed.
Unknown: And they called me a
speciesist. use that term.
Adam Curry: Yes. Now, why is
this so hilarious? A specious,
meaning that he only likes
species or something you'd like
to know
John C Dvorak: specious.
specious is the is a term for
for developing an argument as
bullcrap where he said he was a
speciesist voices he was a
specious yes as in speech, so
they thought that was hilarious.
It's not funny at all. What it
will specious, say being an
ageist.
Adam Curry: Species species,
okay. It's in here. Oh, that's
the assumption of human
superiority. The leading to the
exploitation of animals. People
who don't like animals,
John C Dvorak: humans who hate
animals, as they say humans who
hate animals. Yeah. speciesist
Adam Curry: species alternative?
Here's the Yeah, I keep
speciesism speciesism the
assumption of human superiority
leading to the exploitation of
animal species definition by the
Free Dictionary, let's do that.
That's
John C Dvorak: it. Well then has
that even fit into the
conversation in contacting
tolerance
Adam Curry: or discrimination on
the basis of species, especially
as manifested to cruelty to or
exploitation of animals by
humans? This is why I didn't
think it was funny.
John C Dvorak: Why it doesn't
make sense. It's not only not
funny, maybe.
Unknown: And there were
witnesses. That wasn't the only
one there when he called his
wife. So I was like, okay,
that's, I've Yes, I'm a
speciesist. Okay, you got me.
What do you got? Busted. So
Adam Curry: he's got like, camel
has cackle problem.
Unknown: That was his last role
at the Google had acquired
DeepMind. So Google and DeepMind
together had about three
quarters of all the AI talent in
the world. They obviously had
trust amount of money.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so a question.
What happened to Deep Mind what
happened to Deep Blue? Remember
IBM? Oh, Deep Blue beat to the
world chess champion.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that was a
did it. It didn't need to do
anything. Anyway, retired.
Adam Curry: Well, didn't they
create an entire business line
that went nowhere? And they had
to basically shelve it because
they wasn't worried Watson.
Watson. That's what it was
Watson. The road the road to
Silicon Valley is littered work.
No. I mean,
John C Dvorak: this Watson is
probably stems from the old 80s
flop, AI flop and it's just a
new version of it. Yeah, only
this one's gotten a little more
traction because it's cut
everyone flat footed. I don't
know. This is the strangest
thing I've ever seen. Well, this
Adam Curry: reminds me a lot of
another canard. But I even went
to Boston and stood in line to
get one of the first ones
because this was it. He could
recognize your handwriting. You
could understand what you want.
The Newton
John C Dvorak: is a Newton, new
net new New Town. That's
probably what it should have
been called the Newton. I said
the Newton. No, as I said, new
town, the Newton. Well, hey,
let's go along. Go back to
Google. Google Goggles Google
Glass, yes. Another great
product. Google Glasses.
Everyone was wearing. Glasses.
Scoble was wearing him in the
shower. This is why
Adam Curry: I keep telling you
when Scoble is all in on
something that means it's
bullcrap. And he is he's going
crazy with AI. It's the new god.
It'll help you kick your alcohol
habit, your addiction. I mean,
he's saying all of that he's
saying these things know, any.
Anybody who in the music
business will hear. I mean, you
hear it, human beings can hear
when things are just not human.
They're just not human. I don't
think any of these songs are
impressive. And that goes for a
lot of this music in general.
I'm sure a musician may be able
to use some so called AI to to
create something just like you
can create some code. The end
some writing.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you can do
this. Yeah, you can do augment.
Augment. Yeah. No one wants to
deal with the augmentation
aspect they think is going to be
standalone monster.
Adam Curry: I think augmented
intelligence is probably a
better term. Just like it was,
you know, virtual reality didn't
work. So then it was always
augmented reality. So you have
some stuff pasted over it.
That's exactly what this feels
like. Nothing at all. Like, like
we're being we're going to oh,
we're all gonna like Scott
Pelley. Oh, we're all gonna die
from the evil human machine. And
Elon Musk is in on this scam. He
probably needs to raise some
money for it to
John C Dvorak: Elon Musk is in
on it for a different not
because he believes any of it.
Adam Curry: No, I think he's not
because he needs to raise money
so
John C Dvorak: money there's
money Money money money this
guy's good. Yes,
Adam Curry: I agree much as much
as Money money money. I love the
love the story about the Apple
basically beating Elon to the
punch. To remember Elon he's
building x.com And everyone's
gonna put their money into x.com
They're gonna get interest or
they can if they want go
negative interest, which is also
known as a loan and they will be
able to pay each other all
through this fabulous the truth
GPT app, formerly known as
Twitter now is x and Apple comes
along and says, Oh, you know
what? We're gonna give you 4.15%
interest. Just put your money
into Apple Pay about that. I
think I think they beat him. We
John C Dvorak: talked about this
Sunday, he implied it. There was
a I couldn't find any evidence
that they won't let you do this
on anything other than an
iPhone. That's my concern. No,
you
Adam Curry: have to Yes, an
iPhone and you have to have the
apple credit card. You have to
have both, I think. Yeah, no, of
course. Duh.
John C Dvorak: I think it's
illegal. In what way? Vertical
integration. There's okay. So
there's antitrust. You can't do
that. I don't think I don't
think it's the I think somebody
who's smart lawyer can take this
and say, Now, you have to open
this up. You can't have it just
exclusive to your phone.
Adam Curry: No. I mean, I don't
care. I don't want it. I think I
think Elon may be a little irked
because this was supposed to be
his big thing.
John C Dvorak: He's got plenty
of time to make money.
Adam Curry: Okay. I don't know.
He might get devoured by the
evil AI.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, that
could happen, too. We can only
hope. All right.
Adam Curry: Let me guess You
wanted to talk about the Robert
Kennedy Jr. Announcement for
running for president. Was that
your big story?
John C Dvorak: No, my big story
is I'm countrified. come to
conclusion. I've got evidence. I
do have that though. I do have
that. Yes. But I have evidence
that they're out to get the Joe.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think you're
right,
John C Dvorak: in a concerted
way. And the concerted way
involved, I got three sets, or
two sets of clips. And what
makes it obvious to me that
something's up is one of the set
of clips is from democracy. Now.
All anti Joe Hold on, and
Unknown: Amy Goodman clip
inbound.
John C Dvorak: And one of the
sets is from CBS stuff I never
thought I'd ever hear on CBS.
And today I might add, as we may
have low numbers listening to
the show, because on today's
Jennifer Hudson show, which
started at 11 When our show
start oh no Kamla Harris.
Adam Curry: Oh, she's out there
promoting her. She's out
John C Dvorak: there. They're
doing the last testing. If they
can, if she can just get to a
certain point. They're gonna
pull a plug on Joe, and put her
in. And that's my thesis,
literally. So I want
Adam Curry: to literally pull
the plug on Joe.
John C Dvorak: Maybe. But I want
to start I'm trying to English
to start with the CBS stuff. But
I think I'm going to start with
the, with the democracy that you
played the clip for Democracy
Now. This is an HHS scandal that
is really targeting Biden, and
this is extremely unbelievable,
as far as I'm concerned. And so
insofar as Democrats going after
Joe,
Unknown: The New York Times is
reporting the Biden
administration's repeatedly
ignored or missed warnings about
a surge of migrant children as
young as 12. working in
factories across the United
States. The Times reports quote,
at least five Health and Human
Services staff members filed
complaints and said they were
pushed out after raising
concerns about child's safety.
And one of the HHS staffers told
The New York Times, quote, I
feel like short of protesting in
the streets. I did everything I
could to warn them. They just
didn't want to hear it. She
said. In February, The Times
published a blockbuster report
about child labor based on
accounts by over 100
unaccompanied migrant children,
mostly from Central America, who
describe grueling and often
dangerous working conditions,
including having to use heavy
machinery being subjected to
long hours and late night shifts
at facilities that manufacture
products from major brands and
retailers like hearthside Food
solutions, the makers of
Cheerios, fruited lume Whole
Foods target Walmart, J. Crew,
Frito. Lay and Ben and Jerry's.
Others were forced to work as
cleaning staff at hotels at
slaughterhouses construction
sites car factories owned by
General Motors and Ford in
serious violation of child labor
laws. On Tuesday, Homeland
Security Secretary Alex hundra
Mayorkas was grilled about the
Biden administration's response
to forced child labor. This is
Republican senator Josh Hawley
of Missouri.
Adam Curry: You're not gonna
take any responsibility for the
indentured servitude and
exploitation of children that is
happening on your watch a moment
ago, you were crowing about the
fact that you treated children
so well. And yet we find 10s of
1000s of children who are forced
to work as slaves because of
your policies. And you turn
around and blame a prior
administration. Mr. Secretary,
this is par for the course for
you. You do it every time you
appear before this committee.
You do it every time you appear
before Congress I for 1am sick
and tired of it and 1000s of
times Children are in physical
danger. Danger because of what
you were doing. You should have
resigned long ago and if you
cannot change course you should
be removed from office
John C Dvorak: yeah all right.
Yeah. Here's the here's the
gravity the situation to imagine
AMY GOODMAN playing a holly clip
to conclusion
Adam Curry: yes without without
scoffing at Holly. You know, and
because Holly is a takedown
artist, I mean, that's part of
what he does. He makes sound
bites he wakes up in the morning
says, How can I make a sound
bite on C span? And then to get
it on Democracy Now? I agree
with you that is there. There's
that's that's bad. That's bad.
Bad news for Joe.
John C Dvorak: This. Well, yes,
but let's go to clip two and now
they bring into a Pulitzer Prize
winning writer for the New York
Times and she was just lasered
layer after layer of bad news.
Unknown: We're joined now by
Hannah Dreier Pulitzer Prize
winning reporter at The New York
Times. Her new investigation is
headlined as migrant children
were put to work us ignored
warnings. dryers earlier piece
was headlined alone and
exploited migrant children work
brutal jobs across the US.
Hannah Dreier Welcome back to
Democracy Now we had you on for
your first blockbuster
expository showing children as
young as 12, working across the
United States. Now you're
reporting that the Biden
administration knew about this
not only knew about this and
didn't do anything, they
actually did do something. They
pushed out those within the
administration who were raising
alarms, can you talk about what
you found?
It's great to be with you, Amy.
And yeah, just as you say,
people were punished for
bringing this to the attention
of their supervisors, people say
that they were fired, they were
demoted. I spent a year talking
to children who came to this
country and are working in the
most exploitative conditions in
factories and slaughterhouses. I
found these children in every
single state in this country.
And so after that story came
out, I began asking how could it
have been that the Biden
administration didn't know about
this? And what I found was that
actually, they weren't given
evidence, they were given
warnings, there was sign after
sign that this was happening for
two years. And that really
didn't spring into action until
just last month.
Adam Curry: And you know, they,
whenever you they use children,
they really mean business.
Whenever they, whenever it's
something that is done to
children with that did the same
thing to Trump. You're ripping
children, children, mothers
arms, children in cages. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. No, this is
serious. And I'm telling you,
this is concerted effort. We're
gonna end when you see it on
Democracy Now. Yeah. And then
CBS when you hear the CBS clips
is not about this, it's another
thing they're going after this
guy, but listen to this clip,
this part three is really
interesting.
Unknown: I was particularly
struck by the the information
about, uh, Susan Rice, the White
House head of domestic policy,
and I heard the reports that
there were problems in terms of
how these children are being
treated. And you talk about
that, because cuz Susan Rice is
a person who has been in every
Democratic administration over
the last 30 years, Bill Clinton,
Barack Obama, and now Joe Biden,
right. Susan Rice is a hugely
important figure, and she is
Biden's top point person on
immigration. So it's not, you
know, some junior staffer at the
White House who maybe got a
warning one time and it didn't
get, you know, channeled in the
appropriate way. What I found
was that Susan Rice's team was
told about this again, and
again. And the kind of evidence
we're talking about are clusters
of children found to be working
in different parts of the
country, repeatedly in these
very industrial jobs. So these
are children, making car parts,
these are children using caustic
chemicals, acids to scrub a
chicken plant. And those
messages, got to Susan Rice's
level memos, airing concerns
about these issues, got to Susan
races level, her team was told,
going back to, you know, the
summer of 2021, that people were
very worried about this. And
what the White House has
basically said as well, maybe we
saw these signs, but we didn't
put it all together. What their
response has been is sort of a
lack of curiosity or a lack of
conscientious thinking, to
realize that if we're seeing
kids in all these different
places who are doing these jobs.
Maybe there's a larger trend
here. Maybe there's 1000s of
these kids out there.
Adam Curry: What companies are
using these children? How is
this happening in America?
John C Dvorak: But they named
names earlier. Frito Lay General
Motors Ford,
Adam Curry: Ford,
John C Dvorak: that's what I'd
like to know exactly. If you
remember, before we started
doing this show, I'm sure you
recall this. There was a big
stink. I think it was during the
Bush administration or before
that a big stink about these
migrants getting jobs and there
were laws against hiring any of
them and if you got busted
hiring somebody was a migrant
not even talking about children.
You would find it heavily but
now it's not only illegal
migrants is illegal migrant
underage children working at
these companies making the
country sound like I hellhole
Why would criticize China.
Adam Curry: Hey, guess what?
Maybe it is a hellhole. We got
children working at Ford,
screwing on hubcaps, or whatever
it is, or chemicals to clean,
horrible.
John C Dvorak: They're giving
them the worst kind of jobs that
hubcap Joe would be plus,
Adam Curry: I mean, I need some
evidence of this.
John C Dvorak: Well, the New
York Times covers it with a lot
of evidence. And yet I note one
more thing, as based on my
thesis that they're out to get
Biden in, they're gonna get him
before the end of this year,
probably. Yeah, they must. This
is the new york times this is a
democratic spokesperson for all
practical purposes. They are
they cover for the Democrats.
And we're getting this kind of
reporting. This is the last of
these clips.
Unknown: Well, they did put it
together sufficiently to force
out five health and human
service staff members because
you talk about those some of
those staff members and the
alarms that they raised, that
these are the people who are
reading the unaccompanied minor
program for Health and Human
Services. One of the women who I
spoke with Jalen SWOG, she
helped build this program. She
started working for the
government in 2010. Right when
we first started to see these
waves of children coming over,
and she was in charge of this
program for years and years, she
was the highest official running
the program when Biden took
over. And what she says is she
raised alarms, we've seen her
emails where she's saying
something catastrophic is going
to happen. I'm pleading with
somebody to pay attention. When
her emails went unanswered. She
went to Congress, and she talked
to Congress staffers and said,
again, I'm really worried about
what's happening here. These
children are in danger. And she
was pushed out. She was one of
five people who I spoke to who
filed complaints, who showed me
their emails where they're
saying, you know, something
really wrong is happening here.
And they say that instead of
being listened to, they were
demoted.
Adam Curry: Wow, this, you're
right. This is and they're going
after Joe from AWS, does it? I
mean, how hard is it just to
kill the guy? This seems like a
lot of work.
John C Dvorak: Well, this meant
you might be a lot of work, but
it seems like to somebody who
likes to take, you know, wings
off of flies, it might be more
fun.
Adam Curry: Well, they're taking
a lot of wings off of a lot of
flies with this. The whole
that's the whole Hunter Biden
crime family is going down at
this rate.
John C Dvorak: Well, let's take
Yeah, the 100 by let's move to
CBS.
Adam Curry: Can I play a quick
clip before you do this? Because
it's just a positioning clip.
Because sure, I also had the CBS
clip, you do a mall. That's
great. But this was on Hannity,
just to give you an idea of how
phony, the so called news is,
from all sides, they have no
shame. They're talking about the
Biden crime family. Now listen
to this guy and wait for the
slogan is,
Unknown: do you believe the
President of the United States
is compromised by these
countries that we know hate our
guts?
I'll answer the second question.
I don't see how Joe Biden could
not be compromised. I mean, this
these family members aren't
energy experts. They weren't on
boards, at least with Burisma
Hunter actually sat on a board.
There are no other boards that
we can find that these family
members said Oh, and certainly
not the grandchildren and the
nieces and the nephews and the
in laws and things like that. So
what were they doing? Why were
they getting this much money? It
all points back to Joe Biden and
we're gonna continue until we
get the truth to the American
people but I can say they shot
the walls are closing in on the
Biden
Adam Curry: how many times we
heard that about Trump? It's a
tipping point the walls are
closing is FoxNews seriously
going to use all these tropes
now against Joe Biden? The all
of its unwatchable.
John C Dvorak: Oh, it's most of
Fox is unwatchable. All right.
Let's go to CBS. And they got
another whole different scandal.
It's centers around 100 by a
little bit, but it's more to it
than that. And when you start
when they do where they do it
they're not quite as blunt force
trauma as democracy now, but
it's not bad. This is Hunter
one.
Unknown: Tonight there is
breaking news in the federal
criminal investigation into
Hunter Biden's tax returns. An
attorney for an IRS supervisor
sent a letter to lawmakers today
asking for whistleblower
protection, saying his client
has information that suggests
the investigation is being
improperly influenced by quote
preferential treatment and
politics. Here's CBS News Chief
investigative correspondent Jim
Axelrod.
My client wants to come forward
to Congress. He's ready to be
questioned about what he knows
and what he experienced under
the proper legal protections.
attorney Mark ladles client is a
supervisory special agent at the
IRS who's prepared to tell
Congress the investigation he's
been working on has been
hampered by what he thinks is
special treatment.
Typical steps that a law
enforcement investigator would
take were compromised because of
political considerations.
Lytle wouldn't talk in specifics
declining to identify either his
client or the target of the
investigation his client helped
conduct. Can you identify him?
I can't at this stage, Jim.
But CBS News has learned the
investigation the whistleblower
worked on is about Hunter Biden,
what we're doing is is being
completely cooperative.
That was Biden two years ago,
after the DOJ opened an
investigation into his finances.
The FBI collected what it
believed was sufficient evidence
to charge Biden with tax crimes.
And last year sent its findings
to the US Attorney in Delaware
since then, silence. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. So
typically, whistleblowers don't
get lawyers. i That's the one
thing I'd mentioned. And, you
know, this lawyer keeps saying,
Well, you know, there's a
certain protections in place,
but it mean, you're a
whistleblower than used you.
There's a there's a process you
go through? Doesn't seem like
they're going through the
process, but they are, in fact,
dangling this out there.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, could be I
mean, I, as far as I'm
concerned, none of this is
anything other than the kind of
a concerted effort from
different fronts to get Joe
Biden out of office because he
considers he thinks he's going
to run again. And they he's got
to go. And so all this all these
little nuances, like you just
described, I don't think are as
important to the whole overall
view of things as do you think
might normally be the case?
Well,
Adam Curry: this is more than
just he's gotta go. This is
taking down the entire family.
I'm gonna take down Jill, I
mean, it's gonna be it's gonna
be maybe his Susan Rice is Susan
Rice. I mean, this is a real
well, it's
John C Dvorak: in part two, we
got one more character mentioned
that's going to end up getting
hit in the ringer.
Unknown: Why can't your client
talk
to us directly at this point,
there are laws that provide
protection to whistleblowers,
and he has to navigate that
today Lytle sent this letter to
Congress, claiming his client
could provide information that
would contradict sworn testimony
by a senior political appointee.
I have promised to ensure that
he's able to carry out his
investigation.
CBS News has learned that was
attorney general Merrick
Garland, who gave testimony
about the US Attorney in
Delaware, conducting the Hunter
Biden investigation.
Adam Curry: Now, can we be sure
that this is the Democrat party?
This may be some other group
John C Dvorak: that yes, we can.
Okay. We can absolutely be sure
we're talking about CBS. Yes.
And we're talking about
democracy now. This is all
fronts for the Democrat party.
This is the Democrat Party doing
this. Well, CBS there's no doubt
in my mind by me. It could be
the CIA, but they're the
Democrat Party nowadays. I
Adam Curry: agree. I agree.
John C Dvorak: So there's no
doubt about this is not any the
Republicans aren't this. They
can't do this. I mean, yeah, get
handed there. You played the
Hannity clip. That's, that's the
best
Adam Curry: we can do. That's
the level they got. The walls
are closing in.
John C Dvorak: They can't even
read they got old memes. They
can't even come up with
something new.
Adam Curry: But what's cool
about it is that they literally
the AMI took Josh Hawley so
they're using the Republicans in
this case.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you can use
Josh Hawley. He's a loudmouth.
He's got good things to say.
He's a kind of guy you can use
to get the soundbite. You can
probably get some few other
guys. I mean, if you're going
after the Pfizer you get as much
Rand Paul material as you could.
This
Adam Curry: has, you know what
this? The Susan Rice thing has
me bothered and I'm gonna go out
on the limb. This is Obama.
Obama is saying get rid of her
too. And the reason
John C Dvorak: he was in love
with Susan Raise Obama bull
Adam Curry: crap. No, she wrote
that memo. Remember she had the
memo to herself or see why it
was a memo on
John C Dvorak: purpose by Obama
probably advise her to do it.
Adam Curry: And he's getting rid
of her because of Michelle
running. I feel it. Michelle
Obama is gonna Well, now
John C Dvorak: you've gotten off
the deep end. Clip three.
Unknown: Lytle says neither he
nor his client are motivated by
politics. Would you find any
evidence or allegation of a
political agenda?
No. To him, the truth is one
truth. And he wants to come
forward with it
later on, told us the
whistleblower has been with the
IRS for more than a decade, and
has extensive documentation to
support his allegations,
the things he's been through are
very well documented in emails
and other communications with
the Department of Justice.
We asked Mark Lytle, if there's
a chance his client can only see
his slice of the investigation
and not the big picture. He said
that's possible, but that his
client had expressed his
concerns to superiors a number
of times before seeking
whistleblower status. Neither
the IRS Department of Justice or
a lawyer for Hunter Biden would
come at it.
Adam Curry: I'm putting it in
the book. I'm putting it in the
book. This is clean up making
room because who else? Yeah,
they may put Kamala in brief no
cameras in she's the one Yeah,
for a bit until until 2024. But
it's just temporary.
John C Dvorak: But no, she's
going to be when she's gonna be
the president, and then she's
gonna run for reelection. It
accomplishes a lot of things for
one accomplished geek just
getting rid of the notion that,
that Michelle would run it all,
but I think is more to stop
Gavin Newsom in his tracks at
all and his chances of being
president and I think it's going
to end the day I honestly
believe the Democrats is the
more you watch this, if you
don't listen to the other side,
which we do both so we you know,
we see Kamla as a buffoon, but
the Democrats don't see it that
way. They see her as a smart,
intelligent black woman now.
Unknown: Wow, okay. You're gonna
John C Dvorak: talk to people on
the street. And then And then
Adam Curry: she's gonna show you
we're talking to people on the
street.
John C Dvorak: So Jennifer
Hudson, is going to make her
look good. And it's going to be
later one of the tests are there
grooming her?
Adam Curry: Yes, they are. I
agree. But it's only getting
everybody ready for Michelle.
You can Laugh all you want. Put
it in the book. I'm putting it
into the book. I'm putting it in
the book. I
John C Dvorak: don't even
putting it in the book is so
ludicrous. Okay,
Adam Curry: you will eat them
words.
Unknown: So i Whoa, yes, you
will be
Adam Curry: crunching on those
words.
John C Dvorak: Especially while
we're at it. Since we're talking
about this sort of thing. Let's
go. Well, let me play another
candidate. Let
Adam Curry: me play this. And
then you can play the I have the
announcement that I want to play
a piece of, okay,
John C Dvorak: well, we're gonna
go to bar f, J, G. Or RFK, Jr.
or F GK or f k,
Adam Curry: who I met once I met
him in context of climate
change. Funny enough, when, when
we were all with Kleiner Perkins
had their Green Fund and we're
all at the golf course he was
there. Yeah. Why was that golf
course the famous one Pebble
Beach, Pebble Beach, Pebble
Beach. Well, there's a lot of
sadness. California is not the
one in California.
John C Dvorak: It could have
been the Olympic club.
Adam Curry: Is Pebble Beach in
California.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah. And
Pebble Beach is Pebble Beach.
And that's there's three core
that's the watch. And
Adam Curry: we had an away with
all all the founders of the
companies. And they embarrass me
by forcing me to play which of
course, was horrible. But then
Robert Kennedy, Jr. was there
with his wife. And his reason
for there was, you know, we're
still Special Olympics, what he
was doing as his mom, but it has
something to do with a gore and
gore. Gore's movie was played
then for the first time before
it was in theaters. And I spoke
to him he's a really nice guy,
but, but really meek and quiet.
Actually, I didn't know much
about him at the time. So he
announced that he is running for
president. And he did a fun
thing in this announcement. Now
he talked about misinformation
disinformation, how it's all
bull crap.
John C Dvorak: Where did you get
this clip? Because most people
most mainstream wouldn't play
it.
Adam Curry: No, I've got it from
the announcement video. I found
the video and I clipped a piece
from it. And I thought it was
interesting what he said because
he literally compared himself to
his dad, when his dad ran for
office,
Unknown: my father 55 years ago
last month, as a 14 year old
boy. Hi, my father as he knows
the caucus room in Washington
DC. His campaign for presidency
of the United States. My father
at that time was in many ways in
the same position that I'm in
today. He was running again. As
a president of his own party, he
was running against a war he was
running against. He was running
at a time unprecedented
polarization in our country. He
had no chance of winning. My
father when he declared had not
a single molecule in him that he
believed that he could win the
Democratic nomination. Why is
that? He'd run his brother's
campaign at night to him 60
years before. But now, all the
unions were against him with two
exceptions, the United Auto
Workers and Cesar Chavez United
Farmworkers. The liberal press
was 100% against the New York
Times, is it the Village Voice,
labor union, the big city mayors
were against them, including
Mayor Daley, who had played a
critical role in President
Kennedy's nomination. All the
people in the new frontier, were
his closest friends are now
working for the Johnson White
House. So they were against him.
The only people that he had with
him, even the universities were
against him, because they were
with McCarthy's group of
Hollywood like Joanne Woodward,
Paul Newman, who had been very
close to him very worked very
hard for my uncle and 60. We're
now working from a party. My
father and the universities. My
father, my father used to say
that he McCarthy had all the A's
students and he had the BMC
students. And so the only people
he had were people, poor white
people in rural areas, like
Appalachia, poor blacks, and in
the Delta and our cities and
Watson Harlem and the East LA,
and Indians on the Indian
reservations. And that was kind
of hopelessness in his campaign.
Freedom to tell the truth to the
American people.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Which is about
the only thing he'll achieve is
to be able to tell the truth to
the American people, but no one
will hear it.
John C Dvorak: No, no, no, this
your watch Tucker, and I hate
the
Adam Curry: comparisons he's
making, because we know it
didn't end well. The Kennedys. I
mean, to have a bad record.
John C Dvorak: Well, first of
all, that's my era when I was a
Democrat. Good. Tell us about
your life. Very familiar with
what happened. Okay. Tell us a
day Ward Democrats were on
board. Big time was Eugene
McCarthy. He was the guy
Everyone wanted a win. Candidate
Kennedy came in and every bite
the reason that he was it wasn't
because of whatever thing or if
J or J. K Jr. RFK Jr. thinks,
oh, it was because Oh, Kennedy's
just, he's just trying because
he's a bigger name than
McCarthy. He's trying to steal
his thunder Stolen Valor. So he
was just he was disliked for
that reason, because McCarthy
was the guy everybody wanted, he
was a super peacenik. And so the
fact was, is that the Democrat
Party wasn't gonna put him in
either and, and I think everyone
kind of knew that Kennedy would
have gotten a nomination,
because nobody wanted George
McGovern, who finally got the
nomination out of that he was a
bonehead. So this is visited
interpretation and my
recollection as a staunch
Democrat at the time was
different. And yeah, it didn't
end well.
Adam Curry: I have to say I, I
like everything. Kennedy says,
I'm not watched his
announcement. I like it all.
Pretty much. I don't think
there's I don't think I've heard
anything I disagree with and I
like it, too. I would vote for
him. I think he's a real threat.
I think he's a real threat to
Michelle Obama.
John C Dvorak: You can leave
that on.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no,
I
John C Dvorak: wrote it in every
time we bring up any topic.
Adam Curry: We're still on the
same topic. We're on the same
topic. It's more than valid for
me to say this. Just because you
don't agree doesn't mean you can
dismiss it.
John C Dvorak: No, if I don't
agree I can dismiss I can
dismiss anything I want. Okay,
well, okay, then I can say any
the it's like it's a foregone
conclusion. You've already
pointed out that he can't get
any ink he's got on Tucker which
is like that's no good. Well,
what
Adam Curry: if he What if he got
some Democrats and and a whole
bunch of Republicans?
John C Dvorak: He's getting
nobody. Let's be honest about
it.
Adam Curry: Okay, I guess you're
getting no but let's
John C Dvorak: go to NPR. And
this is just the beginning. NPR
is like the flack you're what is
it called a shocked Troops
Adam Curry: stormed troops as
this
John C Dvorak: shock troops are
coming in. And this guard RFK
Jr. NPR smear
Unknown: a familiar name has
entered the 2024 presidential
race to challenge President
Biden for the Democratic
nomination. Robert F. Kennedy
Jr. He made his formal
announcement earlier today in
Boston.
My mission over the next 18
months of this campaign, and
over my throughout my
presidency, will be to end the
corrupt merger of state and
corporate power.
Now, Kennedy isn't just a member
of one of America's most famous
political dynasties. He's also
an anti vaccine activist who's
been criticized by his own
family and peers. Shannon bond
joins us now to explain more.
Hey, Shannon. Hey, Elsa. So
okay, a lot of people of course
know the Kennedy name. But can
you remind us who exactly is
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Sure. He's the nephew of
President John F. Kennedy and
son of Bobby Kennedy. And Robert
Kennedy, Jr. is a lawyer who was
originally probably best known
as an environmental activist.
But as you said, he's not only
become a central figure in the
anti vaccination movement, but
he's also promoted other
conspiracy theories, like her
baseless idea that 5g telecom
networks are being used to
control people's behavior. Wow.
Adam Curry: Oh, do we have do we
have proof of this?
John C Dvorak: But I mean, I
conspiracy net. Wow. Yeah. Wow.
Adam Curry: Anti vaccine nut?
Yeah, that's right. No, in fact,
the truth is that he was as he
was an environmental lawyer, and
he sued organizations that were
putting mercury into our
national waterways, chemical
mainly from factories, etc. And
it was getting into the fish
supply. And so he was suing
people over that. And as he
tells it himself, he kept seeing
these women show up at all of
his events. And they were
saying, hey, our children are
being hurt by mercury in the
vaccines, namely in thigh
Marisol, and other such
adjuvants. And that was
John C Dvorak: that actually
that's that that's not an
adjuvant? So I'm sorry, Marisol
is a preservative preservative,
Adam Curry: okay. But mercury in
the vaccines and he went
John C Dvorak: into the Marisol
is mercury,
Adam Curry: though. There you
go. It is mercury. So, and they
were using that. And he went
after those corporations as a
far cry. In fact, he is
explicitly not anti vaccine. He
was anti COVID. vaccine. Yes.
Because he and he showed us a he
read, he read the documents. He
showed it to us. And he said,
This is why it's bullcrap. And
this is why they want it on the
children's schedule.
John C Dvorak: I don't know why
you're so much against NPR. I'm
sorry. Let's continue this smear
Adam Curry: on national
treasure. What am I thinking?
Part Two?
Unknown: Wow. Okay, how did
Kennedy wind up as a leader in
the anti Vax movement?
Well, he said he is not opposed
to vaccines, he frames his
criticisms as being about
safety. You know, in his speech
today, he didn't address
vaccines directly, but he did
raise concerns about chronic
illnesses, autism, quote,
poisoning our children. And
these are all references to
these debunked and false and
misleading claims that he has
promoted for years that
undermine trust in vaccines.
During most recently, during the
COVID pandemic, he opposed
vaccine mandates and other
public health measures. He
promoted unproven treatments
such as ivermectin, you know,
and that did result in some of
his social media accounts being
taken down for spreading false
health claims. He says that
censorship, but the pandemic
also did a lot to raise his
profile. And so we're in this
sort of strange place now where
Kennedy is this figure this with
this iconic democratic name, but
he's also now being embraced by
many on the political right, who
have adopted anti Vax views.
Right, but he is running as a
Democrat, President Biden's
approval rating with Democrats.
I mean, it's pretty strong right
now polls find that Democrats
are willing to get vaccinated
than are Republicans. So what is
the rationale for Kennedy here?
Because this sounds kind of like
a long shot, right?
Adam Curry: Oh, there's so
elitist. And what's the ration
now? I mean, why would you even
bother? I mean, it's a long
shot. I mean, why even waste
your time? Becky?
John C Dvorak: So they also have
destructure, that whole little
part of that report where they
go, everything he says has been
debunked, it's false. It's a
bet. You know, they get to one
thing after this, they just
can't they just can't say, you
know, it's questionable. Oh, no,
no, no, it's not proven.
Adam Curry: These are new
models. These are news models
with the perfect face for radio.
That's why they're on it.
John C Dvorak: To get the voice
they do. Yes. All right. Let's
go to this. Hello. Hi, how are
you? Hi, John. How are ya? Part
three of the smear
Unknown: Yeah, and even for a
long time also vaccine opponent
opponents weren't particularly
aligned with one political
party. Here's how and that
Meeks, who's a lifelong
Republican who runs the Freedom
Foundation of Minnesota, a
conservative think tank. Here's
how she put it.
In the early days. It really is
kind of where the crunchy
granola left meets the far
right.
But that started to change even
before COVID You saw vaccine
opponents begin to rally under
the banner of what they called
Liberty or freedom. That seems
to have really resonated with
conservatives. And then when
COVID came along, resistance of
vaccines became linked with
resistance to other things like
closing schools wearing masks.
Everything was filtered through
this partisan divide. And in
fact, Kennedy does have some
surprising sources of support.
Donald Trump's former adviser
election denier Steve Bannon has
publicly suggested Kennedy
should enter the Republican
primary and the conspiracy
theorist and Trump ally Roger
Stone has his own suggestion
that Trump should pick Kennedy
as his running mate. Ah, man,
Adam Curry: there you go. That's
the ticket is the Trump Kennedy
ticket. Oh man, oh, man. Well,
there you go. At least we're
wasting everybody's time with
this drivel bits a smear. It's a
smear and it's also we got a way
to go before it's time for the
2024 election. And we're all
being just just noodle noodle
tea keyed up, teed up and spun
up over this stuff. Oh, it's not
important people. It's not
important. Go to your local
school board election meeting go
to your local council meeting
and that's where it's important
this is dumb it's a distraction
is not important. And but it
will be fun to watch Joe get
taken down but that's our job.
So you can just continue focus
on your local community. Please.
And I have a trans a series of
trans Maoist clips which are
excited to share with you but we
will do that right after I say
in the morning to you and thank
you for your courage the man who
put the sea in clusters of
children ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the
other end Mr. John Cena
John C Dvorak: well in the
morning to you Mr. Adam curry
awesome in the morning all ships
at sea. Feet near subs
underwater games and nights out
there
Adam Curry: and to boots on the
ground and of course in the
morning to the trolls and the
troll room Hello. Looking like
right now? No, I got I got no I
got no no juice. Not come I
don't see anything. Oh, maybe I
was kicked off somehow. Somebody
do the count. Well, no, when I
There we go. 1862. There we go.
1862. For today. How's that for
Thursday? Is that low?
John C Dvorak: No, it's about
for recently it's about right.
It's not low for Thursday's it
would be we'd normally 1750
would be the median.
Adam Curry: No. Okay, well, I'm
happy then trolls. Thank you
very much for being here. But a
lot of disagreement from the
Trolls. That's bullcrap.
Hypersonic is above five could
be hypersonic supersonic. very
testy. I think a lot of these
trolls are nerds. I say that
with love. Who were very upset
about SpaceX launch I think that
they're upset oh my god man who
was watching Oh,
John C Dvorak: they're not
nobody cares. Exactly. I think
most people are excited when a
missile blows up.
Adam Curry: I think that's why
they watch Okay, man,
John C Dvorak: I wish they would
have blowed up on the right
Adam Curry: on the pad but that
would not be the MO The Mo is to
blow up above the pad. So we can
get more more on the on the pad.
Yes, indeed. The trolls are in
the troll room you can join them
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in alarming rate, particularly
off of Spotify, but also of
others like Apple for the
craziest reasons, you know, like
but Kennedy Jr ha.
John C Dvorak: Oh, nothing. I'm
just trying to get this web
browser to work and mumbling at
it.
Adam Curry: Oh, you're Bravo.
John C Dvorak: My bravo bravo
browser if she keeps playing me
movies, what the hell's wrong
with his browser?
Adam Curry: Go to podcast
apps.com and get one of these
modern podcast apps with all the
cool new features 20 of them and
you're and you can import your
subscriptions from your old
podcast app, not a problem. Run
them side by side for a bit. See
which one you like. Let me know.
Of course we like podcast
addict, podcast guru podcast pod
verse, And curio caster because
they bring you the live stream
right there with the chat room,
the troll room. It's beautiful
stuff. It's brand new. It's
podcast. apps.com. We also have
no agenda social.com where
people like to tag Adam and John
in very long threads about stuff
we don't care about and then say
you vote no, no, no, we're not
going to do that. You can follow
us. Don't tag us in all your
long boring conversations,
please. Adam at no agenda
social.com Jhansi Dvorak no
agenda social.com. That is a
place where people like to hang
out and discuss stuff. And
there's a lot of going on. We
have 10,000 slots. I think
they're full. Now you can't
join. But you can as I said,
Follow because it's a mastodons
part of the fediverse. Would
like to thank the artist for
episode. What are you laughing?
John C Dvorak: Sorry, I went to
the art because we're going to
discuss the art. Oh, okay. Nice.
And there was one a crack me up
sorry, Episode
Adam Curry: 1547, which we
titled A Sally a nice, I guess
the old word for Karen, in a
way.
John C Dvorak: And actually,
specifically as the old it was
the old word for a woman who was
a sorority sister.
Adam Curry: Oh, there you go.
That's right. Now, we could not
find any art on the existing new
Submissions page that we thought
was appropriate or liked enough
to choose. So we went into the
archives. And, interestingly,
enough, came up with something
we had not used before. I'm not
sure exactly why this missed out
when it was submitted back in
the day, just because there was
a better piece. It was from
capitalist agenda. And this was
the Rubik's cube with mainstream
media logos. And, and, and just
looking at it again. What a
great piece. Yeah, people really
liked this and I feel good that
we were able to, to use this
after and was it this was months
ago. I think you submitted this
maybe longer?
John C Dvorak: I think it's I
think it was the 1300s
Adam Curry: Okay, that's quite
some several months ago. So we
thank you very much capitalist
agenda. And oh, yes, I can see.
I mean, the top one top left,
from Nico.
John C Dvorak: Oh, no, no, it
was an you'll see it. Okay, so
that is that's good. But just a
better one. Yes. Notice there's
Adam Curry: already the artists
are having a good time letting
letting us know that they are
all in on on submissions for
today's show. And as I said, you
know, we had a mike Riley piece,
lick the world, which you didn't
like because you didn't like you
don't like a tongue licking
anything, I guess is what you
didn't like, what was the
problem? We
John C Dvorak: love one thing,
it reminds you the Rolling
Stones logo. It doesn't. So it's
derivative. So I don't like
that. And then I just thought it
was a kind of a, it wasn't? I
don't know, it just didn't have
any real life to it. I mean, I
saw the data piece. I mean, it
was another one I thought was
nice. But I didn't have any. The
Turing test was scary. But we're
Scaramanga with the robot.
Adam Curry: It looked like that
cartoon series.
John C Dvorak: And it just it
was it didn't have any life. It
didn't have any zip had there
was another one that had too
many
Adam Curry: boob jokes in there.
But that wasn't enough. Bucha
jokes are fabulous. I
John C Dvorak: have to give him
credit for that. Great.
Adam Curry: We have a corner of
the internet, also a capitalist
agenda, which just did not. I
mean, didn't it just didn't make
it. You know? It wasn't quite
there. What else do we have?
That was about it, I think
John C Dvorak: wasn't anything
but of testosterone
Adam Curry: that jokes which
weren't really funny.
John C Dvorak: Because there
wasn't that many submissions. I
think the show didn't have the
kind of material that did that.
Calls
Adam Curry: for art. Yes. In
fact, that's exactly what you
said. At the time. You said it,
I don't think it has. I just
don't think it has it. We just
didn't have the topics that made
it work for everybody. And still
we have artists pulling stuff
out of their butts doing their
best and I think probably
because we were looking at a
capitalist agenda on the tongue.
That's probably how you came.
No, that was Mike Riley, on the
corner of the internet with the
Mole. That's probably how we got
to it. Anyway, no, well, how did
you get to it then?
John C Dvorak: I saw capitalist
agenda thing I know for a fact
that capitalist capitalist
agenda along with correct a
record and a number of other
people have like 10 or 12 pages
of backed up art. Because they
submitted so much over the last
few years that I did have to be
a piece in there because I've
actually gone to the well at
capitalist agendas page did this
specific page for some artwork
for the newsletter and so I
figured out it's gotta be
something here and so I click
click clicked and find was
pretty deep in there was like,
page four or five, something
like that.
Adam Curry: A beautiful piece
capitalist agenda. Thank you so
much. We appreciate the work you
do. And then No, of course, the
work that all the artists do. It
just wasn't there this time. And
that's, you know, this type of
criticism and being very
discerning as as art directors.
This is what gets people like
Roger roundy high paying jobs,
you know, which
John C Dvorak: Yeah, and it also
gets him to quit doing anything
for us.
Adam Curry: That's not true.
That's true. So
John C Dvorak: typical is
typical. As far as flex those
guys is really the way it goes.
Adam Curry: It's all part of our
value for value system. This is
what we run on, you know, I hear
these reports of Oh, yeah. Oh,
this this podcast is number one
on the charts. It has 2 million
downloads a month, I think, Wow.
You know, we have a lot more
than that. But we'd have to be
doing meetings and playing ads
and wouldn't be able to talk
about all the things we, we'd
like to talk about because it
might be a conflict, or we'd
have to be careful, you know,
Oh, can we talk about a vaccine
to even talk about Joe Biden
without getting pulled, and
people go after us and attack us
and try to get rid of our ads.
So for over working on 16 years,
we have not done that we've
always relied on you the
listening public, which we call
producers for very specific
reasons. You help us with your
time, your talent, and your
treasure. And we like to
highlight our executive and
Associate Executive producers as
quickly in the show as possible,
just like Hollywood. And before
we get to the first one on the
spreadsheet. I have a internet
donation which was handed to me
in Czech form. And this is from
Mike Schweitzer. And Mike is the
guitar player for the band mercy
knee which Tina and I went to
see after the show on Sunday, if
you remember went down to San
Antonio. We went to went to see
them and
John C Dvorak: it's funny every
time you say that. I always
think of San Antonio as above
you but it's always down below.
It's down
Adam Curry: below. So they said
hey, you know the band is big.
The big no agenda fans and I'm
like, Okay, we'll see how big a
fan they are. First of all turns
out you remember Barry on the
last show donated $500 Barry
Grol Yeah, well, he's also in
the band and he wanted to donate
before anyone else and but he
didn't have a note. So we gave
him a double up Carlos didn't
notice. Yeah, that was Barry is
exactly. So he put that in and
then we roll up backstage very,
very swanky. And you know,
there's the buses. And then Mike
he's a guitar player comes out
and he's got a curry Devorah
Consulting Group t shirt on
which is doesn't exist. I mean,
the group exists but the t shirt
doesn't exist. He's he's had his
their merch guys make this up.
And he played the whole concert
with
John C Dvorak: it. That's got to
be pretty baffling.
Adam Curry: baffling to the
audience. I think.
John C Dvorak: That's what
that's what I meant baffling to
the audience. Yeah, so he did
Adam Curry: give us one each. So
yours will be forthcoming. And
he gave us a check for $1,033
and a note. Thanks so much for
the greatest podcast in the
universe. You guys are like the
media methadone. No way could I
have ever detox from my
addiction to the news without
your help? I was hitting them
out a little over a year ago
with one of my closest friends
and bandmates Nathan. That's
Nathan Cochran of Franklin's up
Nathan is the bass player,
Franklin, Tennessee. Haven't
missed an episode since since
and I'm always waiting with
anticipation to see what John
will be putting the C in next.
Enclosing donation. Nathan
donation No it's a Nathan mouth
hit donation. It's a mic
donation. And closes my long
overdue first donation of 1033.
Which I believe officially D
deuces and knights meet well we
will officially do you do?
You've been de Deus. I would
like to request the title sir.
Shmoo of the six strings. Sorry
for the savage SLIS fest. Yes,
thank you. And we'd love Weller
and ribeye at the roundtable I'd
like to add a big thanks to Adam
for allowing us all a front row
seat to his family's faith
journey greatly encourages my
own face seeing God's work in
the lives of others. No jingles,
no karma, just Jide to be in the
end a family. And it was a great
show. It was a very impressive
show. I'd say like 3000 people
in the like the Boeing something
because you own the list. I put
them on the list. Yes, of
course. I put them on the list.
And then I have one. Wait, no,
that comes after. I'll do this
one. And then I have one more
from the meetup and thank you
again guys. You've heard very,
very kind and gracious was a lot
of fun seeing the Mercy Me
concert. David Alcott is an
Eaton Eaton town, New Jersey,
and comes in with $1,000
Greetings from Central Jersey. I
want to thank my friend Dave
LaConte for hitting me in the
mouth many years ago, please
provide me with a dee doo dee
doo. And he says Please cut it
off before that awful 80s
Nintendo synth riff. So I did
that. Thanks for your courage,
she says. Then I have a donation
that was handed to us in person
at the Nashville meetup by
Darrell DeVille. And we actually
have a picture of this to
complete his knighthood with
$600 because he had donated a
total of 400. Previously, he
brought in $600 in $2 bills,
stacks and stacks of $2 bills.
Now the question is, I mean I
feel like Uh, you know, he
emptied the bank out, I guess
they got all the all of the $2
bills. It's like, it seems like
a shame for me to go and give
that back to a bank and then
send a money order. That's
really cool. I mean, they're,
they're, you know, the three
stacks of 100 in twos. You want
me to send you a stack. It's
pretty, it's pretty cool to see
it. I
John C Dvorak: used to get a I
used to go to the bank and get
stacks of $2 bills for the
farmers market people and people
like that, give them out there
and maybe I'll get a kick out of
it. I stopped doing that I
matured. And actually what
really stopped me is one time I
ordered a stack of another one
of those $200 $200 worth the $20
Bill $2 bills, and I the entire
stack was all cocaine bills. How
do you know? Because they had
that funny folding thing where
people fold up the drugs. I
would every bill was folded. And
so I took it I took the thing
back to the bank I said what are
you given me this for the
Federal Reserve selling coke?
What's the deal? And I turned
them in a desk the last time I
ever got a batch of two's it was
the end of it. So no, I don't
want to bash shoes.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, we
appreciate it and he will become
Sergey noi Weaver of Dixie alley
sir Good boy WEVA of Dixie alley
and we appreciate his support
very much onward with the next
donation Yeah,
John C Dvorak: night m f dx of
and as you Toronto Ontario comes
in. I don't really have much of
a note he's just got way too
many jingles which are not going
to do well actually I can do it.
It's just it's just hit it Fauci
Wiese Fauci wheeze while I'm
high half second pause. No, no,
no. These people I don't I don't
care what you can do it. But we
don't want to we're not does not
we're not. This is not like no,
it's no good.
Adam Curry: If you just say hit
it. I think I can play these for
them.
John C Dvorak: Well, okay. Well,
let me start with the thanks for
the excellent product.
Gentlemen. The only issue is
starting to show two hours
later. Wow. But oh, he's got
just a 420 69 donation. Yeah.
Hey, man, I just noticed that
starting How long is it two hour
thing been going? I think you're
right. The only thing I've
noticed is the show stuck. Let
me read it correctly. The only
issue was starting the show two
hours later. is by the time Adam
says in the morning, John is
damn near afternoon.
Unknown: Wow, I am really high.
Beautiful
Adam Curry: There you go. Wasn't
that hard?
John C Dvorak: It was a good
give us a good sequence. I'm not
gonna say it wasn't. But it's
just shouldn't be discouraged.
Okay,
Adam Curry: cuz now I get to
decode this next one. Because
you know, the stoners came out
for 420. This is of course, what
Daris unity from Upper Marlboro,
Maryland for 2042. So 420 with
the most interesting and
important number in the universe
42 as a sense behind it. Peace
blessings, Mad Love Gitmo
nation. Thank you for your
courage. In the morning who we
who we for 20 Born day night
here turning 34 years old, bless
belated birthday to Mr. Dubourg
also. Excuse me. My throat is
short. I'd like to be known as
Sir Daris unity. Sir Darius
Darius unity I'm sorry, Knight
of the sand hill people
roundtable request wild caught
Alaskan salmon JCD style with
mocktails also in the morning
for 3% off@warranties.com in the
show notes please. W AR n t e
s.com warranties.com.
Unknown: For the pun
Adam Curry: it is 42 cents
because my brand warranties.com
has 42 as a logo and 3% off with
ITM play please place link with
my name in the show notes. Yes,
you got it. Oh, camel has
biscuits please. So I wonder if
Is he on the see on the birthday
list? I'm gonna have to check
and see if it's on the birthday
list. Camel has biscuit please
and all the karma birthday no
agenda meetup currently underway
in DC apologies for the late
notice. Stay safe. Peaceful
tidings Darius unity. Founder of
war NTS.
Unknown: They always give me a
biscuit on my birthday. All
right,
Adam Curry: brother. No problem
we check. Karma.
John C Dvorak: Next President
Adam Curry: make sure he's make
sure he's on the list. Yeah,
he's on the list.
John C Dvorak: Ashley Zaif Minh
in Ontario. Sorry, London,
Ontario, Canada. Happy sixth
anniversary on 422. My husband.
Wait a minute. Ashley. Yeah. To
my husband and no agenda night
sir Bram of Upper Canada Navia
love always your smokin hot
wife. Okay, go. Cheers to many
more years of no agenda together
with beers, buds and Boston
terriers,
Adam Curry: sir stoner Boehner
is from Kent, Washington for 20.
Adam and John sir stoner Boehner
here with my annual executive
Prusa donation to the best
podcast in the universe. I can't
express how much I appreciate
being able to listen to you
twice a week. Thank you for the
amygdala maintenance and please
share my karma to all have no
agenda nation. Thanks, sir.
Stoner Boehner. You've got
karma.
John C Dvorak: Onwards Mike, the
POLYMATH polymath know if he is
a polymath, Indianapolis,
Indiana. That means he does
numbers real good. This is Mike.
The polymath I asked for
official de douching de deuced
although I've been donate, I've
donated many a meetup. I have
yet to be fully cleansed I
hereby bequeath. I can see that
yeah, yes. Mike Yes, polymath
he'd likely uses the word
bequeath. Yes, I hereby bequeath
for 19.93 in honor of my day of
birth, and the final day of the
Waco siege at Mark at Mount
Carmel. Well, I prefer the
history of April 19 1775. With
Paul Revere is right in the shot
heard around the world, I would
be remiss in neglecting your
knowledge. The dark day that
occurred 30 years ago as I
emerged into this world a
newborn baby. I'm turning 30 On
Wednesday, and I can think of no
better way to celebrate than to
humbly donate to that greatest
podcast in the universe. I asked
for jobs karma for my business,
easy peasy garden solutions.
Easy peasy garden solutions in
Indianapolis, Indiana and for
podcar around there abouts. And
for podcasting karma for the
easy peasy podcast. I build and
maintain a number of veggie
gardens in the Indiana
Indianapolis area. And I discuss
a variety of topics on my show
sometimes with new and
interesting guests. Know jingles
bello sharpens respect when hurt
thanks a million for all you do
Mike? The poly poly
Unknown: ESP ICT jobs,
jobs, jobs and jobs or jobs.
Adam Curry: Then we got those
crazy indie people the indie na
meetup gotta report later. 335
Switcheroo raffle donation from
the March Indianapolis no agenda
meet up for Amy Thurmond. That
means Amy gets the the executive
producer ship there. Okay. I've
done the switcheroo. Adam and
John my husband sir Craig of the
Dark Moon and I first by the way
I met these folks they were they
came to Nashville. They came to
the Nashville meetup. And I I'm
sorry.
Unknown: They're everywhere.
Adam Curry: The Indiana people
it's pretty insane. They're
everywhere they are my husband
sir Craig the Darkmoon and I
attended her first ever no
agenda meetup last Sunday. Oh
wait. This is different. The
Crossroads of America
Indianapolis in a tribal meetup
and the spirit distillation of
the mash house at West Fork
whiskey in Westfield, Indiana. I
am honored to be the winner of
the donation raffle appreciate
all who contributed as this puts
me on the path to becoming a
dame. Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah, the meetup was fantastic.
The Indiana crown is welcoming
and fun truly a great
experience. Many thanks to Sir
Mark and de Maria for Oregon.
That's who came to Nashville.
Sir Mark and de Maria for
organizing and more people came
it was it was it was insane how
many people came? No jingles? No
current but a deducing you've
been de deuced you got it.
John C Dvorak: We're with
Andrew. Oh, Donahoe. In Smeaton,
Saskatchewan. Good afternoon.
This email coincides with my
first donation to the show for
333. Just want to thank you and
John for all that you do. I
started listening after hearing
Adam on the Joe Rogan experience
just before the pandemic hit. No
agenda immediately became a
number one listen as a podcast
it truly is the best podcast in
the universe. I should have
donated sooner I know. I'm a
super douche. Hoping this
donation helps make amends.
Please give me a D douchey.
You've been D deuced. Sincerely,
Andrew O'Donoghue
Adam Curry: a lot of people who
came to the meetup who hadn't
been listening releases 2019 I
mean pandemic listeners we got a
lot of new people in the during
the pandemic. Of course there
were centric where A timer to
trick Good work. Good work on
spreading that Wuhan thing John.
Well done well done. We go to
our first Associate Executive
producer Tom wrecker from
emails, emails, emails,
Pennsylvania 293 17. I'm sending
you guys a value for value
royalty payment. My friend and I
started a podcast and website
last year and we're doing things
but no agenda. Wait, no jingles,
no karma. Just a lot of
appreciation for what you guys
have created and continue to do
to the no agenda family members
who enjoy movie reviews or are
wondering if a film is worth a
watch. You can throw out those
rotten tomatoes and check out
the daily ratings.com for the
daily ratings podcast. Let's go
lick the world. Nice. I'll put
that in your next year name as
well.
John C Dvorak: Your Rotten
Tomatoes has been corrupted.
Adam Curry: I've never I don't
look at ratings or any of that
stuff ever. Anyway, I don't
trust it all like Yelp. I've
never been a Yelper Now trust
me, it's all gamed. gamed
John C Dvorak: he Brooke
Mortensen and Sierra Vista,
Arizona. Megan Kelly's new
listener here.
Adam Curry: Ooh, Megan donation.
John C Dvorak: Make a donation.
I love and appreciate all of you
so much. I found many gems like
no agenda through her humble,
generous, sassy self. And then I
started listening to Rogan
because of you. Oh, that's a
switcheroo. Yeah. So you're
welcome, Joe. Yep. High five to
$22.22 as a road duck
Adam Curry: from her. And
Monday, I will be back on the
Megyn Kelly show.
John C Dvorak: What's the topic?
Adam Curry: I don't know what
the topic is. I've been asked to
I don't know. I've been asked to
come on the show. That's all I
know.
John C Dvorak: Maybe just set
up.
Adam Curry: It's hard to I think
it's hard doing a show. Five
days a week, you gotta get a
guest. And it's like, and my
numbers up. Don't you think
that's kind of how it goes. I
mean, that's
John C Dvorak: if that's you. I
don't know if I've lectured
enough about why that's a bad
idea.
Adam Curry: Being doing an
interview show?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Yeah. I
mean, you can do interviews
every so often. But a daily
interview showed requires a full
time Booker.
Adam Curry: And you know,
there's so much competition so
you have Joe Rogan, which I
still consider to be the mack
daddy you know that's that's the
all time Johnny Carson Tonight
Show level.
John C Dvorak: Ya know, it's the
number one it is the show.
Adam Curry: It is the show. And
then we have Bo but else do we
have out Glenn Beck? I think
Glenn Beck is huge. I think
that's also a big show. We have
a dip compared to not compare
not to be compared.
John C Dvorak: It's not
comparable. But then you have
everyone
Adam Curry: who all go on to
pool boy pool boy pool. Boy, I'm
never going on the Playboy show.
That would be the equivalent of
going on Letterman when you're
when you've been discovered by
Carson. Now that I think that
would be rude. Don't you think?
John C Dvorak: Well, I think
it'd be lousy. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm Yes. For
John C Dvorak: more reasons than
one.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, okay. It's
West Virginia. wants to travel
to West Virginia.
John C Dvorak: Oh, well, that's
your home. That's your stomping
ground?
Adam Curry: For three months, my
alma mater, you're right. 208 16
comes to us from Victoria,
Australia. Altona north from
Denee. Denise says, Hey, Adam
and John The number represents
my daughter's due dates.
2080220 816.
John C Dvorak: Maybe much?
Adam Curry: Oh, I wonder if this
was? Is that the Australian
number? Is that the UI?
John C Dvorak: Are you asking
the wrong guy? Yeah, I'm
Adam Curry: just just asking in
their first time donor. I first
heard your show from Carl and
who are these podcasts back in
2020. Thank you for your
honesty, integrity and producing
a great show. It irked me to
hear Adam butcher the
pronunciation of Xi Jinping
recently. So I'm offering a
pronunciation note. The X sound
or the z sound in China is
unvoiced and sound similar to
the English if spoken through a
grimace or wide smile. I'm
trying Xi Jinping. Okay. And
then there's a he has a whole
bunch of complaints. I'm I was
wrong. I was wrong about
Australian beach. Everything's
great. There's no Chinese beef.
I was wrong about their money.
Everything's great. Nothing's
wrong with the money in
Australia. I'm wrong. I'm wrong.
I'm wrong. I'm wrong. That's
kind of how I sum it up.
John C Dvorak: And I think
that's pretty accurate.
Adam Curry: And lastly, I
recently listened to Adam
discussing his conversion on the
JRE. Congratulations. I was
blown away by the difference in
audio quality. I don't know what
you're doing over here, but keep
up the good work. Yes. Some
people do say that our audio
quality, ruins ruins people
listening to other other
podcasts. And so you know what I
say? No,
John C Dvorak: I say it's a
crime, that you have not won an
audio engineering award of some
sort because you're the one
responsible for the audio sound,
not me. And you should get an
award from the AES or someone or
a podcasting operation for the
sound, it just baffles me
Adam Curry: whereas the podcast
Academy I deserve it.
John C Dvorak: You get nothing.
This is the back. This is the
problem. You're you now you
understand the talent is one
side of the mic. And yeah, hind
it, you know, never gets enough
recognition.
Adam Curry: They I'm sure the
podcast industrial complex, who
actually create these types of
awards, which are bullcrap. And
I've always laughed at. They
don't like me, because I laugh
at their little little award
shows. The NBS, please. I mean,
it just sounds like something
like some pharmaceutical thing.
Here's an ambi. Don't want that.
Thank you, Dan. I
John C Dvorak: don't know about
the NBS. Oh, that's
Adam Curry: that's the award of
the industry and there's all
kinds of it's everyone has
watery. This is the podcast
industrial complex.
John C Dvorak: You're the
industry.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Yeah, the
actual one we should
John C Dvorak: you know what I
thought about this before I
bring it up. Here we go. Here we
go. We should have the no
agenda, podcasting awards. I'm
all in was doing for that that
didn't take much to convince No,
I'm all in there because it will
be hilarious. But it would be
well, it'll be I don't think it
would be hilarious. I think we'd
probably come up. It would take
us a while and these will be
awards. I guess you're supposed
to do them once a year. But once
we do them once and then we have
to do them every year. They
would actually be good podcasts.
Oh yeah. Not repurpose junk from
NPR or want to be junk from NPR
that wants to be on NPR but it
can't make it none of that
stuff. There's a lot and you
line podcasts it's a lot of
work. Okay, we're not doing
exactly
Adam Curry: onward the grid left
John C Dvorak: Cheryl Cheryl
dorsal doors fell in Big Pine
Key Florida. Wow. Gee douche me.
Unknown: You've been deep deuced
John C Dvorak: I was hitting the
mouth by my favorite son sir TJ
the wrathful going to meet up
outside of Nashville Monday
night with him love the show.
There's no other like it in the
universe. So that's a fact. So
under bucks.
Adam Curry: This is the wife of
Sir TJ the wrathful who also
brought his human resources to
the meet up and they're the ones
that did the we don't talk about
brand and Brandon and his kids
were adorable. Yeah, I said
abused them some more. We need
more of that stuff. And he said
okay, no problem. I'm doing it.
JC Swisher in Naples Idaho $200
switch a roofer Joe wall for his
birthday April 22 Happy birthday
to the love of my life. And the
one who hit me in the mouth.
Well, thank you very much Joe.
We're gonna do that. Yeah, I
mean, Joe I'm Jake you JC and
thank you Joe for hitting JC in
the mouth good work
John C Dvorak: all right. Okay,
this is gonna be tough because I
don't get to this be stained
Duke in name Megan. Holland
pretty good pretty close. ITM my
colleague and I this standard is
the last 200 bucks. ITM my
colleague and I are going to
meet up this week. And because I
don't want to go. As a
freeloader. Here's my donation
might call it will give him a D
douching.
Unknown: De deuced.
John C Dvorak: My colleague, on
the other hand, doesn't mind
going as a freeloader. Please
call out Eric as a douchebag.
That's the message.
Adam Curry: All right. Then we
have oh, that's it. That's the
last one. Let me we're going to
take a second break later on.
Don't you think we should do a
second break?
John C Dvorak: Well, I mean,
it's less numbers total than
last show, which we did when one
pass is not that many left.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, then let
me just thank a couple people
for some other donations that we
got at the meetups. $100 from
Cisco V of the Piedmont 100. And
that's a switcheroo for a smokin
hot girlfriend siara. We have
Mark and Lisa church $100.
Professor Tom Gallucci. He came
up with an outstanding
promotional item the no agenda
sealing wax c e i l i n g. And
so he actually created a product
now we have sealing wax for your
important correspondence as a
knight or a dame for your ring.
He actually created a product
called no agenda sealing wax and
you can put it on your ceiling
and there's no agenda sealing
wax.com Stephen West a boob
donation 808 Thank you for the
community Love and Light he's in
Lewisburg loser Burg, loser bug
something Tennessee Samantha
West's thanks for hitting me in
the mouth have some boobs 808
And we had we each got a silver
dollar from photo by
franklin.com. A Lady Liberty for
each of you. Thank you very much
beautiful. I will send that to
you. And then we got two
beautiful challenge coins and
$100 from Sir Rory of the duck
river. And he wrote a very nice
long note. And I will forward
that to you as well John, and we
thank everybody for coming to
the meetup. Just being at the
meetup was was great. Some
people were being hitting them
out on the spot and donating $33
Getting on some of those
wonderful, sustaining donations
and was really nice to see
everybody. Thank you for coming
out. John's gonna take us
through the rest of these
donations and then we'll give
John C Dvorak: you guys a few
left. Let's start with cerveza
cerveza get it get it? Get it? I
got it. He's in Florissant,
Colorado. $105 Heather Allen in
new Wilmington, Pennsylvania.
$105. As he goes, she wanted to
do shopping or anything I don't
know and we'll see it. Know,
Douglas Murray in Missoula,
Montana 9420 Douglas Murray, and
I'm sorry Douglas Murray was in
Missoula, Montana. Sir Kevin
McLaughlin is up there with 808
You know him. He's a locust
North Carolina everyone's
favorite. Edward Owens in
Alameda, California. 808. Kyle
high in Keizer, Oregon,
switcheroo for his wife, Erin.
Hi, hag. Ah, I think that's
pronounced Hi. Ha, ha i g h
sounds right. And then he says
it because it's 808 He says I
love your boobs, babe. Patrick
Coblenz Fairview HireVue tenants
See
Adam Curry: he donates as well.
He stays unstoppable pays for
everything. He makes everything
happen. Patrick, really
John C Dvorak: any 140 Happy
birthday to his daughter Karen.
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
Beautiful wife Sarah, who
Adam Curry: I met I met both his
kids and his wife was great.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's nice.
Yes. Raymond Bressler in
Arlington, Washington. 6996.
Joseph Stegman in 1000, Oaks,
California. 66. Kevin O'Brien,
Chicago, Illinois. 606. And he's
getting knighted as Sir Kevin of
the ADF parallel. Standard fair
will do. So he's on the list. He
is Sir mango meet in Detroit,
Michigan. 56. This is
interesting. Because I know for
a fact that Kevin McLaughlin
came in with a second donation
for 606. Okay, and it's not on
here so it's my may have gotten
bumped or didn't Ah, I don't
know what happened tomorrow,
sir. But anyway, thanks to him
again. Sir. Mango, meet Mr.
David Galloway in Flower Mound,
Texas. 510. Love the Maoist
revolution segment. Dean Roker
50 People love them. I
Adam Curry: wish we got more
coming up.
John C Dvorak: 5510 sure Mark
and Greenwood, Indiana with a
birthday at $53. And this is
switcher roofers, amazing keeper
de Maria of the Greek kingdoms.
I think it's her birthday. Bob
Butler and coming Georgia 5069
Chris Wichita Chris just playing
Chris in Wichita, Kansas 5050.
And fan. He's got a birthday for
his wife and lad and now we got
the $50 donors who have run
right through these these are
starting with Nathan Cochran.
His names and locations
Franklin, Tennessee 50 Tatiana
Prince in Hollywood, Florida,
Peter odo in Ridge New York
Steven Chu Mach in Xenia, Ohio
John John Joan pulse pul s in
Hernando Beach, Florida gadget
freak 10 in Western Springs,
Illinois, Alexander per day whoa
in Gig Harbor, Washington Scott
lavender, our friend in
Montgomery, Texas, Sir Andrew
gusik in Greensboro, North
Carolina, Joe Oswald in Lithia.
Florida, Peter, Andrew Perez in
San Marcos, Texas with a
switcheroo credit sister Aida
Aida AI da she's gonna have a
birthday 60 Matt Illingworth in
Montclair, New Jersey. 50 Robert
case in Mills Springs, North
Carolina. 50 Christie Jones in
Demarest, Georgia. Steven crummy
in El Cajon, sir by the mighty
in Marietta, Georgia Jerry
Wilson Roth in Saugus,
California and last on the list
is Leanne Shipley in Covington,
Washington are actually fairly
short list. Yes. Well, we do
want to thank them all.
Adam Curry: We're going to make
up for that with lots of nice
things and birthdays and we have
a black night to deal with
today. Sir Mike of the New
Jersey lowlands and we missed
him on the last show. He says
after many months, I finally
reached the title of night. I'd
like to thank you and Adam for
keeping me sane in this world of
media nonsense. The show was
definitely the best podcast in
the universe. That's right. It's
in the leaked document from
discord. I'd like to request the
title of Night of the New Jersey
low lands and have Irish car
bombs at the roundtable. That
doesn't sound very nice. Okay,
Irish car bomb
John C Dvorak: maybe it's a
drink?
Adam Curry: I hope so. I don't
know if I like that loving
light. He says sir Mike of the
New Jersey lowland and thank you
all very much for supporting the
show. Episode 1548. The
executive and Associate
Executive producers know by now
that those are titles you can
have forever. They do not
expire. You can use them
anywhere credits of showbusiness
ilk are accepted like IMDB you
can put it on your on your
LinkedIn, just throw it on your
resume and unlike the phonies in
Hollywood, we will gladly vouch
for you thank you again for
supporting us here no agenda
episode 1548 Our formula is
this. We go out we hit people in
the mouth
and of course thank everybody
who came in under 50 for reason
abandon on an empty or you are
in one of those fantastic
programs that are sustaining
donations. Thank you
here's your list for today. We
got Emily wishing her smokin hot
husband Bruce blessing and your
Happy Birthday turned 37 Today,
Andrew Perez wishes his sister
Ida a happy birthday she turned
60 Yesterday, Mike the POLYMATH
turned 30 Yesterday Darius unity
34. Today we had a nice note
from earlier Teressa Marcin
wishes her son Josh client to
happy birthday for tomorrow Sir
Mark wants to wish de Maria have
the Greek kingdom's happy
birthday for tomorrow as well.
Christina wishes are a certain
loin medium rare that Happy
Birthday turned 75 on the 22nd
JC Swisher wishes Joe wall Happy
Birthday on the 22nd as well
Chris wishes big birthday
greetings for his wife Marquis
on April. Margie is on April 22.
Patrick kobold the Duke of the
South switches author, his
daughter Catherine and beautiful
wife share both a happy birthday
and Jacob Ali wishes his human
resource Naomi Ali a happy
birthday happy birthday from
everybody here it's the best
podcast in the universe. All
right, so we have 1234 knights
you've got a black knight on
deck so it's a we need quite a
blade blade. Oh,
John C Dvorak: we got this one.
I'll do.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, that's a
special one. Okay. All right,
Mike, we know it'll be a black
night. Mike Schweitzer happy to
see you here my friend Darrell
Deville, Kevin O'Brien and
Darius unity all of you have
reached the status of Knighthood
of the no agenda roundtable and
I'm very proud to pronounce the
the as Sir Mike of the New
Jersey lowlands sir Shmoo where
the six rings sugoi weeba of
Dixie alley Sir Kevin of the ad
of parallels and Sir Darius
unity night of the sand hill
people for you. We've got
hookers and blow rent boys and
Chardonnay. wild caught Alaskan
salmon JCD style with mocktails
we got Irish car bombs. I know
I'm forgetting something here. I
forgot the weather and ribeye
but it's still on the grill. And
here we go along with that. Of
course we've gotten mutton and
meat for those of you who have
not had it yet. While you feast
on that, and you can slip on
over to no agenda rings.com
letter and anyone can visit that
you can see those handsome night
and Dame rings. All you have to
do is send us your your details,
your address and your ring
finger size. And we'll get those
off to you and thank you again
for becoming knights and a black
knight here of the no agenda
roundtable. No one said
well, no surprise. There are a
lot of 420 meetups today. But
before we get to that we've got
a couple of meetup reports the
first from Indianapolis.
Unknown: Hi, this is Maria and
this is Mark. We have over 30
people today what an amazing
meetup. We love it. Thank you no
agenda. John and Adam. You're
the best in the morning.
This is Emily not a Fed unless
it's Monday through Friday from
seven three in the morning. Not
from Indianapolis finally drag
my mom here. Thank you for your
courage
in the Morning John And Adam PVR
street gang enjoying another
wonderful meet up here in India.
Hi, this is Cindy from Carmel
thank you for your courage. I
wish everybody knew how much
three inches was Bruce
from Indy just drinking some
whiskey
in the morning Dame Swanee serve
any saying hi to everybody out
there.
This is Dave Kennedy from Fort
Wayne. I was in Crown boy now an
ND and I'll see you tomorrow.
Nashville. Thank you for your
courage.
This is Shannon visiting for
Fort Wayne in the morning. Have
a great day. Hey, this is Connor
from Westfield. I hate to break
it to you but every time Fort
Wayne has a meet up Vladimir
Putin unvaccinated transgender
Ukrainian toddler young I'm with
Connery religious system.
Carmo been hearing about this
for a long time this my first
meeting and I loved it. Thank
you very much. Hi, I'm Stephanie
Carmel. This is Nick from nd
today I met a baby who listens
to Alex Jones.
Adam Curry: That's a big group.
And then I got a note from
Mike's stew like who did the
first Northwest Indiana meet up
in Gary Indiana when no one
showed at the Hard Rock. And
he's thrilled to report the
second initial Northwest Indiana
meetup was a rousing success
over a dozen attendees, Knights
and Dames with their rings mere
slaves like himself, plus some
very well behaved human
resources. And we're very happy
that that worked out so well.
Over to Leo Bravo in Los
Angeles. Hey, everybody,
Unknown: it's Leo Bravo. I'm at
the meet up number 40 flight at
the no agenda. I'm passing the
phone around.
Our folks have nice
words to say. Hey, Adam and
John. It's Steve in the morning
in the morning Brett a
kid interested? Here's
here. Boom. Shakalaka boom.
Chakalaka
in the morning it's Dame Kendra.
John, we love you hallelujah.
In the morning. This is Angie
representing the ranch in the
morning Hui Hui. This is Sir OG
God caster and
Adam Curry: blessings to you.
Steve Webb and Leanne nice if
they were there. And we had a
great meetup in northwest
Houston or barons or economic
hitman reported in it was the
first one and it was a big
success. They did not foster a
competitive atmosphere but they
laughed a lot everybody hugged
and shared secrets. Very good.
Then we have a big meetup coming
in the Netherlands yes these
things happen all over the world
it's a new place it's an it's a
new promo part of it in a
different language
so fair, cats whole nor the no
agenda meet up until they get in
a donor. Tell me if you need me.
I need our bicycle Ami.
Coincidence? I think not. Cats
all on TV. In the morning,
that's they've now changed. Not
just the meetup but the actual
town is considering changing his
name from cutover the cat's Hall
and the mayor I wants to have a
chat with you John for
John C Dvorak: for time I'm
available on Fridays
Adam Curry: at sea here's what's
happening today. Okay, the DC
meetup dares unity as he already
said is probably over the happy
for 20 Born day to me. However,
the sandy brigade Third Thursday
meet up in post Idaho Falls at
Selkirk Abbey kicks off at five
today. Six o'clock. The Virginia
Maryland West Virginia tri state
meet up at Union Jack pub and
restaurant Winchester, Virginia.
We have Charlotte's Thursday
Third Thursday seven o'clock at
Ed's tavern, Charlotte, North
Carolina. The tomorrow we have