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May 4th, 2023 • 3h 9m

1552: Old Trout

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Adam Curry: She's the Yoko of the Royals man. Adam curry, John
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C Devorah. They made for 2023. This is your award winning
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combination media assassination episode 1552.
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Unknown: This is no agenda
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Adam Curry: cranking up the drone wars and broadcasting live
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from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here. Number six. The
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morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry.
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John C Dvorak: And from Northern Silicon Valley. They're
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considering the date. We're all saying the same thing. May the
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Fourth be with you? I'm John C. Dvorak. Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that. I'm not a not a
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Star Wars fan. I mean, I'm, I mean, I watched the first one
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and Empire Strikes Back and that was it. I was done. That was it.
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I didn't need any more than that. Yeah. Was enough was
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enough? Well, I will say, there's not going to be any Star
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Wars movies for a while. It's happened twice in the existence
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of this show. And two and both times it has only benefited us.
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John C Dvorak: Joshua has no edge.
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Adam Curry: The writer strike.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, I know. It is only been once during the
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show. This is the second time. Yeah, this is the second time so
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and it lasted the first one last 100 days. And it did took it
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ruined the business and it hurt them. The the bottom line in
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Hollywood, California. And I don't see. The thing is I think,
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do I think I have a clip like this? Maybe
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Adam Curry: I have a clip, I backgrounder and was talking
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about just from France? 24. Because you know they at least
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Yeah, why don't we try it? At least I tried to give us some
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some valid reporting.
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Unknown: It is day one of the first Hollywood writers strike
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in 15 years and writers have certainly turned out in huge
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numbers. Hundreds of people marching right now in front of
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the Netflix headquarters in Hollywood chanting slogans like
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corporate greed has got to go, no contract, no script, and LA
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is a union town. And that's a case. We've heard lots of
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support lots of cars, dozens and dozens of them honking their
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horns in support of these writers as they drive by these
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writers who were asking for several things, including better
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pay streaming residuals, or royalties for when a show that
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they've been working on is then sold on to a streaming giant
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late nights like Netflix, and also mandatory staffing. But
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that last point is the one that was really the major sticking
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point in negotiations with these entertainment companies. And
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that is what led to those talks breaking down last night. We're
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already seeing some consequences. Some of those late
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night talk shows like Jimmy Kimmel Live, The Late Show with
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Stephen Colbert, all going into reruns starting tonight. And of
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course, as long as the longer this strike goes on, the more
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consequences we will start exploring the entertainment
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world here in Hollywood.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, I always love this except this time, they're
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really screwed. They're totally screwed this time because
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they're not gonna get anything they want. There's no residuals
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and streaming. They all accepted these deals like oh, okay, well,
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you
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John C Dvorak: need and they got bonused on him. Yes, they got
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extra money upfront. I'm not undecided. The writers being a
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writer myself, I'm not in that union. But I will say this, they
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were giving them extra money because of the no residual
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situations with from the streamers on Netflix. And those
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guys. They were throwing money around like it was crazy. Net,
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Netflix and Amazon Studios give us tons of money Fire Rod did.
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And and my understanding is that the studio is also expected to
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strike some years ago and have have put so much stuff in the
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can Yeah. That they can flow for a year.
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Adam Curry: Well, so there's a number of things and and I'm not
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against organized labor. I'm not against unions. I think I am a
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pro union. I'm sag AFTRA, I believe although I've never made
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enough money to get into the into the retirement fund. I used
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to get I don't even get money from anymore I used to get 12
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cents from seriously I would get like $1.05 I would get a
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residual check from Swamp Thing. And one thing and circus of the
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stars also got me residuals for a little bit there. But part of
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it is you know this per episode saying and then you know, on
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streaming, you know, if you would do friends today, which
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had what 30 episodes a season, it would have eight now so
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there's a per episode
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John C Dvorak: thing everyone's subscribed to these eight
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episodes. In fact, the even on network TV, there was one show
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called The Good Place, which was funny show but it was like 10 it
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very It wasn't even the same from year to year it was it was
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10 episodes and then they take a year and a half off because
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they're I will get to an end and when we get 10 Good episodes or
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12 Good episodes, we'll put another season together and they
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go on and I never been what I love liked that show, but I
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never even watched the last season. There was like a two
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year delay for it to come out because they've taken their
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time. I mean, come on. And Sid Caesar used to do like 40 shows
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a year, hour and a half comedies all original
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Adam Curry: way. We do 110 We do have the writers now you see,
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like, none of the late night shows all those guys. They're
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worthless without their writer room, and the jokes are okay.
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But you know, they might write more than the jokes. It's the
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questions. It's the interviews. It's also incredibly phony and
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just bull crap. And please, Writers Guild of America, don't
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you know, members don't write us and tell him he don't know what
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it's about. I don't care. Really. We
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John C Dvorak: have to listen what it's about, you know, who
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sent it to me? Yeah, the
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Adam Curry: it's a huge list. One of our guys
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John C Dvorak: has is involved in the strike. And he sent us a
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huge list of all the demands and all the counter proposal and put
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Adam Curry: it in the show notes. Everyone can take a look
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at it. But the world has changed. You've changed speakers
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John C Dvorak: changed. I mean, it changed for every writer. I
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mean, look at the magazine business. If you want to go back
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to the early days like face, let's say when the magazine
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business you're
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Adam Curry: a millionaire back in the day, you were riding high
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on the hog, you had limo 24 hour service, you had your money in a
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brown paper bag?
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Unknown: I did. Can you tell us a
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Adam Curry: little bit just a tad.
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John C Dvorak: And then if you Sure. And so if you go to back,
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let's say in the 70s he go back to that there was a period of
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time before that where there was called the short story market
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where all these magazines like Colliers and all the use of
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published short stories and then they were quarterly so it would
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do stuff like that. Did that that business? Who's what short
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story writer? Do you personally know? I don't know of any. And
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also,
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Adam Curry: if you look at the business, Disney plus Netflix,
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Netflix, Paramount. These guys are bleeding money, the whole
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thing was short sighted. They all were gonna get into
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streaming business in the future. Yeah, maybe during the
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lockdown. You know, there was some some business some future
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in it. But then that ended during COVID. And you know,
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people are going back to the movies. It's just it's a
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different world. And and the free money train is over, it is
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over. So you know, there's just not any money speculative money
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that's going into these projects. You know, most most
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companies are crowdfunding these days. By the way, speaking of
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bull crap media companies, Vice media. Finally, finally, this
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thing is going out of business,
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John C Dvorak: but there's buzz, Buzzfeed News, killer, whatever
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they
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Adam Curry: vice media, which was blooming I used to look at
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this thing all the time. Like how are these guys doing it?
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They basically they started as a magazine in Canada. You know,
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Shane Smith, bullcrap artists, Gavin McInnes, who started proud
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boys and and ran around his podcast with a dildo buzz but
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flying people. They started by hoodwinking Murdoch into a $70
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million investment. But then they raised in total $900
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million from Time Warner from all you know, all these
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different companies. And they had no business model. They were
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basically they were an advertising company that made
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hip content, you know, and then they actually bought an ad
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consulting company with 500 people, they built a 60,000
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square foot facility in Brooklyn. And finally is like,
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no one is dumb enough to put money into it and now it's just
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gonna be it's gonna be going out of business. It's like it's all
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of this was bull crap. It was built on bull. And Allah that's
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what a lot of this the streaming stuff, I'm sorry, writers and
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Spotify, who of course allowed gimlet and parcast to unionize
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under the WGA to another podcasts are affected by this
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Unknown: pod. All these true flags? Yes. You know that.
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John C Dvorak: I know about the unionization? That gimlet Yeah.
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And some of the other efforts, but that's under the Writers
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Guild WGA.
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Adam Curry: East. Yeah. And that was awesome. But that was also
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it's crazy. It was premised on bowl. Because you and I talked
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about this all the time, like you can't. The podcast model
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does not work with executive producers and producers and line
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producers and editors. No, it works when one or two people do
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it themselves, themselves. And they may be maybe you're lucky
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enough to have an extra person or like we do value for value.
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We make everybody a producer and give everybody credit for making
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the show and make everyone feel that they're part of the show.
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But no, they weren't all Hollywood. And then when the
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money dried up, we'll start selling your Neumann mics people
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know I'm working off a $700 piece of gear here, dad $70,000
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Yeah,
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John C Dvorak: gear. Yeah. Yeah. And your gear sounds better. In
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fact, as we talked about earlier before the show, I've always
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thought you should win an award and I'm guaranteeing that you
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will
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Adam Curry: and I know what I'm going to snub I'm going to snub
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the academy. Like gonna be accepting on behalf Robert
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Downey Jr. You know, something like that. I'm not gonna go. No,
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but it's, it's sad because I don't think there's going to be
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an agreement that is satisfactory for the writers who
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really just have to find they should be doing pot. In fact, I
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was just talking they are. I was talking. I was talking to my
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buddy who got kicked out of Disney.
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John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Our friend. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: I've never met him but kicked I consider him a
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friend from before. Yes. And I have had dinner. I've stayed at
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his house. So we actually are friends. So your buddy's real
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true friends. And he's and he, you know, they still there. They
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still have on payroll because, Oh, oops, they couldn't actually
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kick him out. Because, you know, a whole division started to fall
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apart. So Oh, could you please stay?
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John C Dvorak: That's not reported?
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Adam Curry: Well, I'm probably already going further than I
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should. But as we were talking. We agreed. You cannot Hollywood
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has they don't see it. They cannot go up against the number
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one non union content producer in the world, which is taking
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all the money. And that is tick tock. Tick tock is where all the
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money is. He agreed with me.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. He said, You know, they were funny. I
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mean, I I harken back to the 90s. When there was a crossover
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point in this, this happens every so often is not observed
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well by the pundit class. And that was the crossover point
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where the game game computer game and console business was
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making more money than the movie business.
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Adam Curry: Oh, hundreds of millions more I would say,
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John C Dvorak: yes, they were making and profiting more than
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the movie business. And these crossover points take place all
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the time. And it's like when something crosses over and then
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everything has to adjust once it happens. And Hollywood, from
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what I can tell really has been very reluctant to adjust to
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anything.
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Adam Curry: Well, of course, because it's all it's all been
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such a wonderful system like oh, yes, well, you don't have
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guaranteed minimum drama ball. Oh, no, just look I've been in
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Hollywood look. You've been in Hollywood you know how it's a
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bunch of arrogant dicks and everyone's in on the game. And
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yet I mean there's a lot of very talented people make no mistake
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incredibly talented people. But you know but all of it is the
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fire leaves you you know the fire and well how great is the
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writing the How great is the writing been and let's just add
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to that, that how the streamers but Hollywood, whatever you want
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the content creation business. They are also captured by the
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magical artificial intelligence. And I think they truly believe
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that they can cut costs by using chat GPT to build a bare bones
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script. These people are insanely absolutely correct.
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Insanely stupid. So this is another thing and they're not
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going to give up on that. That's what the writers apparently also
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want. guarantees that that exactly, that will not happen. I
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think every article you heard is Hollywood. Writers demanding
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studios regulate regulate AI so it doesn't steal their jobs. Now
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of course it's going to steal your job. Yeah, how about this
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just just people on Tik Tok are gonna are going to be the new
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millionaires they're gonna do a great job but a lot of them are
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already millionaires. They're gonna create groovy stuff and
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people will enjoy it it'll be short form everyone's everyone's
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horrible. Jacked up all jacked up like 30 seconds.
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Unknown: Mega drug hits.
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John C Dvorak: But this stuff goes on forever. I want to since
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you brought up the AI thing with these guys. I want to bring up
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an AI clip. Okay, here's the only one I have so we're gonna
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talk about AI okay. You know that she gar and crystal ball.
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They have this podcast by the way
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Adam Curry: can I just say I find her outfit odd. Now blindly
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listen
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John C Dvorak: on audio so I don't see what she's wearing.
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But
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Adam Curry: you and I as producers, you know, so they
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have a first of all, congratulations to them because
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they let where they leave. They left the hill on the hill and
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everyone like you idiots and they did a pretty good job and
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the Crown Fahd crowdfunded crowdfunded stuff and people
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John C Dvorak: I thought, I think of all the people that did
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a spin off like that arrogantly, yes and with with criticism, I
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think they did a great job they, they, they gotta have a working
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operation. Although, if you listen to their more recent
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podcasts, they want to get more money so they can buy a big
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studio.
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Adam Curry: Now I heard that the curry Devorah consulting group
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would like to make a statement. Don't do it. You're stupid. We
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just have to say Leo Laporte. Don't do it. Joe Rogan's studio
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is like a little space that he that he subleases from a fitness
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company, in an industrial area of Austin is what you see is
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what it is. It's a small studio. You don't need big studios, you
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don't need to be don't go that the whatever you're doing now
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the thing that you have, whether it's green screen, or I'm not
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quite sure what it is. It's fine. Don't Don't throw the
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money away. Would you agree?
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John C Dvorak: Partner? Absolutely. It's crazy. Once you
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know what to think and think you're gonna turn into some you
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know, massive This is the problem is getting a big head.
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Instead of just pocketing the profits stop shrink your head,
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trigger head. So they have they're so big now that they
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have this, this couple whose name is Emily and Ryan. So every
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once in a while they take they have the shows there's and
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Emily, Emily's here talking about AI and how it's making an
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incursion. And she makes a comment in here that and she's,
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I thought I would have thought initially listening to because
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I've never heard these two before that she's like cokehead
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She sounds coked up. But in fact, when you listen to when
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you listen to her, the
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Adam Curry: whole Piper's up been doing Hollywood coke Stop
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it.
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John C Dvorak: You can tell she has a cold, okay? Because you
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can hear, see and hear anything, but she's not coked up. She is
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just got a cold, but she sounds terrible. And he or she is going
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on a little bit about AI and she drops a little bombshell in here
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that just I'm just a head shaker.
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Unknown: Oh my gosh. And that's what Hinton is saying. I mean,
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he's saying, you know, they if you think about what AI sees as
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increasing its power, what a algorithm might see is
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increasing power. It's cloning itself it is doing going after
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other people that threatened its power, just logically, you can
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understand how an algorithm would get from point A to point
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B. And that creates something that spirals out of human
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control very, very quickly. And so I am concerned about things
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like teenagers using AI and getting you know, basically
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sexually assaulted by AI. I
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think that's a huge concern.
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Adam Curry: Don't touch me there. Show me on the doll where
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the AI assaulted you. What is that you
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John C Dvorak: believe that?
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Adam Curry: Well, you know, assault these days is just
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saying, you know, like, Hey, nice dress, you know, that's
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sexual.
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John C Dvorak: Nice tickets.
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Adam Curry: Go. Stop it. I don't like the word tickets. I don't
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like it's always bothered me. I don't know why. I'm just saying
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John C Dvorak: look within.
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Unknown: Thank you. Thank you, Grace Hopper, she'll do that.
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John C Dvorak: Well, so I you know, this is like, people are,
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they're out of control in their analysis of AI.
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Adam Curry: Okay, luckily, I have a few clips to talk about.
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Yeah, I
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John C Dvorak: would have gotten more this one I just thought was
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okay. I don't know if you could top that one. But you can, I'm
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sure come up with
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Unknown: a couple of things.
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Adam Curry: Let's just, it's almost like, you know, all these
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euphemisms. 99% of what people are talking about is not
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artificial intelligence. I'm sorry. 100% is there is no
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intelligence that exists outside of humans and mammals I guess.
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Or org biological organisms. That's yeah, that I think that's
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safe to say. So to say it's artificial intelligence. There
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is no intelligence there's only copy paste you know, scoring
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things None None of this is true. And the the emails we get
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from people well you know, it's going to be AI is going to be
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great for people Yeah, sure. We have all kinds of tools you
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know, Photoshop if you want to call it is AI Photoshop. There's
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all kinds I agree
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John C Dvorak: 100% With this, what you just said Photoshop is
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AI you said
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Adam Curry: 100% We have to rock against that we have to rock
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against the 100%
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John C Dvorak: I only picked it up recently. I know I'm gonna
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write you I won't be able to turn it off so quickly so I
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you're gonna have I'm gonna vote but I appreciate being called
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out. Yeah.
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Adam Curry: So that is not artificial intelligence, you
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know, a transcripts that it's incredible that we use otter.ai
19:54
and cost 20 bucks a month. And I throw the mp3 in there and like
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an hour later Oops out and it's it's recognized your voice it
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tags you. Now, of course, half the time, it'll say it'll spell
20:06
your name JH en si Jhansi Dvorak. Sometimes it gets it
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right. But it's still even identifying different voices is
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quite. That's remarkable. It's remarkable, but it's not
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artificial intelligence. We have a lot of this stuff. So what
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what people are calling art now? Tina does all of the resumes for
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the kids, you know, because this is what she does. She's very,
20:32
very good at it. She also coaches, you know, here's,
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here's how you want to ask for this, you know, so there's money
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for this. And so, one of the girls is, you know, up for
20:43
review when she wants to ask for some more money. And so Tina
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says, you know, okay, I'll write this up. So now I have something
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I'll send that to you, you take a look at it. And she says to
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me, Oh, wow, she really wrote something herself. And she's
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reading it to me, John, within within 30 seconds of like, chat.
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GPT. Yeah. And then she went, Oh, you're right. And then we
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could identify, you know, there's some repetition of
21:03
certain phrases, just chat GPT. And that's not gonna fly. You
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know, I don't care how good it gets. It's just it's not.
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John C Dvorak: So well, you know, it's a good start to make
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it worse. You know, there's tools coming tools that are just
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designed to spot that this stuff, of course. And so you
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just run it through, it's like the same thing, like just stolen
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papers, at RuneFest. Through the system, the computer goes both
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ways. It's like a double edged sword it, you know, cuts one way
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and it cuts the other. So you can't get away with this for
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long.
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Adam Curry: You know what, I believe AI is real, when it
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really can stop spam. Okay. And why isn't that the first
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application? Why isn't that the first one phone calls for that
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matter? Oh, have you been I've been getting these texts. And
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it's, it's been recent. So I'm not sure what happened. And it
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goes like this. And I bet you a lot of people are getting these,
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hey, this number has been in my phone for a long time. But I
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really don't know who this is. Who are you?
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John C Dvorak: Oh, I've not heard about this. But that's a
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great idea.
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Adam Curry: I get a lot of these. Let me see if there's
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more. It's like, hey, it's all variations of that. Let me see
22:19
if I hadn't I usually get rid of them. This one came in this
22:23
morning. And it's and it's not from it's like, two or three
22:26
numbers or, you know, like known area code, not necessarily some
22:31
bullcrap one. But it's text messages, which is a bit
22:34
concerning. I wish I could find it either one of those, but it's
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always
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Unknown: how's the storm? Oh, how's the storm? Did it pass you
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yet?
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Adam Curry: Oh, I don't know, you know, and stuff like that.
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It's all but it's always like, hey,
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John C Dvorak: what do we do? Then? The follow up to find out
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what's going on? No, I
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Adam Curry: have I have a life I have things to do. How
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John C Dvorak: to follow up.
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Adam Curry: I'm not gonna follow up. Alright, so then we have a
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big, big, big thing happen in AI world? Because remember, we all
23:06
have to be very, very afraid. Everybody who is not who doesn't
23:10
have a an AI play? Let's just call it what it is. That's how
23:14
the venture capitals talk about that. Do they have an AI play?
23:17
No, Elon Musk does not have an AI play. So what does he have to
23:21
do? He has to sign the joint letter to say we need to stop
23:25
six months so I can catch up and get my own AI play. Get it
23:28
funded? And now Oh, no, it's technology
23:31
Unknown: that could be superior to the human brain. Okay.
23:35
Adam Curry: France 24. Go back. And one
23:37
Unknown: of its pioneers now says part of him regrets his
23:40
role in creating it.
23:41
Adam Curry: This is nothing better than the Creator coming
23:45
out and saying, Oh,
23:46
Unknown: 75 year old computer scientists. Geoffrey Hinton says
23:50
he quit his job at Google so he can independently share his
23:53
concerns about AI technology.
23:56
were you gonna say?
23:57
John C Dvorak: I was gonna say, Yeah, because he's a forced
24:00
retirement.
24:02
Unknown: Get out of the company, which include fears over
24:04
disinformation and stealing human jobs. But beyond that, you
24:09
hit
24:09
Adam Curry: this this is this is a trend. We heard the Writers
24:12
Guild of America talks about stealing jobs. This is we're
24:17
picking up on something. And now France 24 is talking about AI
24:21
stealing jobs, which include
24:24
Unknown: fears over disinformation and stealing
24:26
human jobs, but also go far beyond that.
24:29
What do we do to mitigate the long term risks of things more
24:35
intelligent than us taking control things like GPT for
24:40
Eclipse is a person in the amount of general knowledge it
24:43
has an eclipses and by a long way, in terms of reasoning, it's
24:47
not as good but it doesn't really do simple reasoning.
24:51
Adam Curry: Okay, let's just break this down. He says had
24:53
more knowledge than any human ever has bullcrap. I have
24:56
Google.
24:57
John C Dvorak: And he also said in terms of reasoning, It's not
25:00
very good. Exactly neither. And you're, that's the other thing.
25:05
They said, Well, I can have more effect, I was thinking the same
25:09
thing you just said, which is that we have never accumulated
25:15
in our own brains, the Encyclopedia Britannica, but
25:18
we've always had the encyclopedia that we could look.
25:21
It's like an extension. It's like a human extension, right?
25:24
So how's it going to really outdo us? Because all of those
25:27
human extensions are the only thing that it has access to.
25:31
It's not. It's not developing new stuff out of the blue. Also,
25:35
Adam Curry: I think that as a human, I have Google foo. I
25:38
mean, I can search things and get answers that other people
25:42
can't because I know how to input the queries. Oh, I'm great
25:46
at a prompt query. I'm gonna prompt engineer douchebags. This
25:52
is a whole new category of douchebag. I'm a prompt
25:54
engineer.
25:58
John C Dvorak: Do you just admit to being one,
26:00
Adam Curry: I am one, but I don't put it on my resume.
26:03
Unknown: And given the rate of progress, we expect things to
26:06
get better quite fast. So we need to worry about that.
26:10
Adam Curry: Worry about it. It's getting better quite fast.
26:12
Worried might ask
26:13
John C Dvorak: you something, please. Who is this guy?
26:16
Adam Curry: This is the Google AI pioneer.
26:19
John C Dvorak: I never heard of him. No, of
26:20
Adam Curry: course not.
26:22
John C Dvorak: Have you heard of him? No.
26:23
Adam Curry: Don't even mention his name. Ai pioneer.
26:26
John C Dvorak: He said that you missed his name on and off
26:28
again. But he 75 ai pioneer How come I haven't heard of it. And
26:31
he's old enough. He's 75. He literally is old enough to have
26:34
been part of that first AI go round back in the 80s. He took
26:39
Adam Curry: he took his absence when they knew they were going
26:41
to kick them out. Because that's what Google's doing to get rid
26:43
of everybody. And he's out there now doing this too. If they get
26:47
his own, he wants money. Like how can I score some money? Oh,
26:50
maybe if I warned about this, someone will pick me up as
26:53
what's the word an artificial intelligence? Ah, ethics ethics
26:59
guy ethics professional.
27:01
John C Dvorak: The there'll be some like that's actually dead
27:04
analysis is on 100% Oh, you have to stop this. I would try to
27:10
stop it in mid chat. And I decided to go through with it.
27:13
But
27:14
Unknown: if you know, I have no respect for you. So this guy is
27:20
Adam Curry: really trying to garner up a gig.
27:23
Unknown: It's just the latest warning that tech companies
27:26
might be creating a monster they can't control. In March after
27:30
open AI released the latest model of its chat bot GBT for
27:34
more than 1000 people from the tech industry including
27:37
billionaire Elon Musk,
27:38
Adam Curry: which of course is always the mark of a smart man
27:42
Unknown: and Apple co founder Steve Wozniak signed a letter
27:45
calling for
27:45
Adam Curry: Wozniak dated Kathy Yeah. What's your face? He does
27:48
not smart guy. Remember that? Kathy Griffin?
27:53
Unknown: Jr. He did? Yes. So he's
27:57
John C Dvorak: been married for a long time. He's a good guy.
27:59
Everyone loves Wozniak. Sure,
28:01
Adam Curry: but doesn't mean he's smart. That was a bad date.
28:05
John C Dvorak: And Apple co founders, like Kathy Griffin
28:09
would for good reason. The co
28:10
Unknown: founder Steve Wozniak, signed a letter calling for a
28:13
pause on AI development. While the risks are properly studied.
28:17
Can you thought well, organizations like the OECD have
28:20
issued guidelines, little AI regulation exists. The US just
28:24
launched a study of possible accountability measures in
28:27
April, and the European Union has put forward an artificial
28:30
intelligence act, but the far reaching legislation has yet to
28:34
be passed.
28:35
Adam Curry: So this is all this is just another Gambit. And I
28:40
know you agree with me. So it's not even a discussion to be had.
28:43
Silicon Valley tech companies like they have nothing. By the
28:46
way it costs some astronomical obscene amount to keep the
28:50
servers running for this no business model business they
28:53
have. You can't advertise on chat GPT. And what are you going
28:59
to do with that? How are you going to suck the information
29:02
out of people how you're going to suck them dry? And well
29:04
they're trying to get
29:06
John C Dvorak: right now they're using a subscription model? Oh,
29:09
Adam Curry: who's gonna pay for that? People don't pay for
29:12
stuff. They won't pay for it. They won't. They're gonna I
29:15
agree. I agree. And there's enough open source versions that
29:18
you know, I mean, you can even transcripts, you can now run on
29:21
your own computer. I just don't want to dedicate a machine to
29:24
it. And I'm happy to just give it to someone else who approves
29:27
it. I don't I don't I have no time to maintain it. So that's
29:30
that's it's not a business. So now they have to involve the
29:33
government. Oh, yeah. Well, regulation, okay. So now we can
29:36
be we can be regulated, which means we have all the money and
29:40
then we can charge company you know, they're moving away from
29:43
the business to consumer model with this and and of course, it
29:47
uses more energy than all of Bitcoin put together, but make
29:51
no mention of that. And even in the United States, of course,
29:55
now we have to set up meetings to have a meeting everybody is
29:59
from CNBC. This is Gina Raimondo. She's our Commerce
30:04
Secretary, an AI genius. I say we also
30:07
Unknown: want to lead the world in AI. We want to do it safely,
30:11
safely.
30:12
Madam Secretary, you're you're part of this meeting that the
30:15
Vice President is holding tomorrow with
30:16
Adam Curry: Kamla Harris is holding a meeting with Gina
30:19
Raimondo about AI, I would pay money to sit in that meeting,
30:24
John C Dvorak: oh, I would like to be a fly on the wall. I can't
30:27
Adam Curry: wait for the Vice President to talk about AI.
30:29
Please, Kamala tell it better,
30:31
John C Dvorak: they better put to bring the cameras in the
30:34
crew, you want to see this? We want that live CEOs
30:37
Unknown: of Google and Microsoft and open AI. And I'm curious
30:40
what the what the goal is, and what your concern level is
30:44
around some of this technology.
30:47
The concern level is high. You know, it's a challenge because
30:51
on the one hand, the excitement level is high. When you think
30:54
about the promise and potential of AI, and what it means for
30:58
advances in health care, advances in education, advances
31:02
in business, as you say, health care,
31:04
Adam Curry: baby health care, because chat GPT can fix you a
31:07
healthcare. It's the advantages this is this is huge. The future
31:11
It's all ahead of us. There's a world of possibilities
31:14
Unknown: in healthcare advances in education, advances in
31:17
business, as you say, we're in the lead, and we want to keep
31:20
the lead. But it has to be done safely. Incredibly powerful
31:25
technology. So we want to have a serious discussion with
31:28
industry. As you know, tomorrow will be one discussion among
31:34
many that we're having with many stakeholders to try to figure
31:38
out how we prove how we go fast, but without breaking things.
31:45
Adam Curry: Well, that's a great twist on Facebook's motto, very
31:48
good Gita. So stupid. All right, I want to move off of this. I
31:54
want to move you into yours in some into some of your clips.
31:57
Because I see what you have here. I think it is the news of
32:00
the day and we will have a different takes on this. I will
32:04
start with a short clip of Nigel Farage interviewing presidential
32:09
hopeful and former President Donald Trump about the drone war
32:13
Unknown: and that person. I mean, today, they're saying
32:16
there's been an attempted drone strike by the Ukrainians on the
32:19
Kremlin. We don't yet know the full truth. Have you seen that
32:22
story? I have not seen it yet. Okay. All right. Well, we know
32:25
that that's the I mean, they're quite small drones. But the
32:29
truth of it is, there's a growing I sense in America
32:33
unhappiness about the money that's been given to Ukraine.
32:37
Why does nobody talk about peace and pleased negotiations?
32:40
John C Dvorak: So if I were president, and I say this, I
32:44
will end that war one day, it'll take 24 hours. I know Zielinski.
32:48
Well. I know, Putin. Well, we get ended in a period of about
32:54
100%. Don't ever say
33:02
Adam Curry: even Trump is saying it 100% 100 Pro Han or pissant
33:07
100%. I'm so disappointed that people do this. Okay. So let's
33:13
talk about this drone. You got clips?
33:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is a clip from Al Jazeera. No, they
33:19
have so so it's actually interesting report. You created
33:25
a start and just go with it. I mean, I didn't. I intended just
33:29
to play this first part, just first clip, which is you go to
33:32
one. Clip one, Russia. Sorry. But, but as I kept playing that
33:42
it's a long report and I kept playing it. Oh, I gotta clip
33:44
this. I gotta clip that. So it turns out to be pretty long.
33:47
Let's go with this the setup.
33:49
Unknown: Russia has threatened retaliation for what it says was
33:53
an assassination attempt on President Vladimir Putin. The
33:57
Kremlin says two drones were used in an attack on the
34:00
presidential residence in the early hours of Wednesday. It
34:03
claims Ukraine was behind it. But Kiva strongly denies the
34:07
allegations.
34:08
This is what the Kremlin says was an attempt on the life of
34:11
Vladimir Putin. And all object is intercepted by air defenses.
34:17
Russia says it was a drone, one of two that officials say were
34:20
launched by Ukraine in an audacious attack aimed at the
34:24
Kremlin complex. Two unmanned aerial vehicles were aimed at
34:28
the Kremlin and official statement reads as a result of
34:31
timely actions taken by the military and special services
34:34
with the use of radar warfare systems, the devices were put
34:38
out of action.
34:40
Adam Curry: I think there's a backdrop to this that there was
34:43
a so called drone which looked like an oversize RC aircraft
34:49
with apparently with a block of C four in it. That didn't quite
34:53
make it to Moscow and crashed landed and there's photos of it
34:57
and it's sort of like It's like one of those remote control
34:59
planes. Is that you that you see at a demo demonstration day?
35:04
Yeah, this is not this is not a Reaper drone. No,
35:08
John C Dvorak: there's a dipshit, drones, dip shield
35:11
Adam Curry: drones. Exactly.
35:14
John C Dvorak: So, so then I sit down, that's the report. That's
35:18
pretty much all we need. But then it goes on, they started to
35:21
do some analysis. And in this next clip, they have the blink
35:25
and clip that I've been trying to find. Which is this, you
35:30
know, spa, the world's worst analogy, and you'll hear it in
35:36
here. And then I will talk about it for a second because it's,
35:38
the guy doesn't seem to get the gist of this old analogy. LET'S
35:44
PLAY CLIP two.
35:46
Unknown: So the Kremlin said that this is a wedge drone
35:50
attack was a dry run in preparation for May the nine to
35:55
add puts him will be vulnerable because his whereabouts unknown
35:59
and events.
36:00
It is a theory that not everyone is convinced about.
36:04
I've seen the reports. I can't in any way validate them. We
36:08
simply we simply don't know. Second, I would take anything
36:13
coming out of the Kremlin with a very large shaker of salt. Okay,
36:17
what? A shaker of salt.
36:21
John C Dvorak: So when I first heard about the shaker of salt
36:24
comment, I was dig trying to dig it up. And it turned out luckily
36:28
have showed up in Al Jazeera. This the analogy of course, as
36:32
you know, you've heard it, I'll take it with a grain of salt. I
36:35
mean, it's meaningless because a grain of salt is nothing. It's a
36:39
grain, so who cares? But a shaker of salt is not
36:43
meaningless. That's a lot of salt. Yes, it sure is.
36:49
Adam Curry: So what is
36:50
John C Dvorak: he trying to say? Is this is actually saying that
36:53
this is a big deal, because that's what his analogy implies.
36:58
Adam Curry: Well, I think what he's trying to say is, it's
37:01
Russian disinformation. We all know the Kremlin lies, but he's
37:05
no, that's
37:05
John C Dvorak: what he's saying. He's saying that overtly. But to
37:08
use the analogy of a grain of salt to a shaker of salt. Yeah,
37:12
he's an idiot.
37:14
Adam Curry: Oh, I know. He got this from Chad GPT GPT
37:20
suggestion. And, you know, I don't think it was Ukraine. I
37:27
don't think it was something that it was probably just some
37:30
some kid on the outskirts of Moscow. I mean, this this thing
37:35
was nothing special. was ever to see for well, we don't know if
37:39
this had C four on it. We don't know I thought you said the
37:42
first one. No, the first one. The first one but that crashed
37:45
way short of but doesn't matter. It's this is all to me. It's all
37:49
distraction. Let's see.
37:51
John C Dvorak: I I agree with your clip three. He's got to
37:53
laugh in it. So let's go there.
37:55
Unknown: On a visit to Finland. President Solinsky denied
37:58
Ukraine's involvement. So
38:00
we don't attack Putin or Moscow. Or we fight on on our territory.
38:09
We're defending our religiousness. It is. We don't
38:13
have you know, enough weapon for this.
38:18
John C Dvorak: He's begging for money again.
38:20
Adam Curry: He got some I think. I think we gave him some more
38:23
money on Wednesday.
38:24
John C Dvorak: That's a slippery way of begging for my uh, you
38:27
know, we did nothing to do with it. But we can in fact, we can't
38:30
even afford it. We can't afford it if you give us a money maybe
38:33
we do it dude.
38:33
Adam Curry: We could crowdfund that drone. I mean, this guy is
38:36
unbelievable. wait and wait until you hear my clips you
38:39
share it. Okay, so
38:40
John C Dvorak: here we go with this that final clip on the
38:43
drones the reaction
38:44
Unknown: get even as air raid siren sounded in the Ukrainian
38:47
capital. The mere possibility that Ukraine had struck a blow
38:51
at the heart of Russian power was thrilling for some
38:56
of my classmates and I have been talking about this all day. It's
38:58
very cool and very joyful. It's lifted my spirits.
39:02
In its official statement, the Kremlin said it reserves the
39:05
right to take retaliatory measures where and when it sees
39:09
fit.
39:11
John C Dvorak: Now, of course, they would say so the Ukrainian
39:13
students are all jacked up about this. Yeah.
39:16
Adam Curry: I mean, you really believe that this is just this
39:19
is propaganda. This is
39:21
John C Dvorak: I mean, to a point but they they were
39:24
somebody that it wasn't like an actor
39:26
Adam Curry: or the students in school. I thought that you know,
39:30
the, the Russian Russia was attacking keep everyone's has to
39:34
hide because they're getting ready for the spring offensive.
39:38
It's all propaganda. All the journalists are hooting and
39:41
hollering up in in Poland they're all drinkin hanging out
39:45
with the women of the night.
39:48
Unknown: What's good is what you do.
39:51
John C Dvorak: Women of the night
39:55
Adam Curry: I don't know why I said night All right, so let's
40:00
get back. Let's get back to reality as, as we have to wind
40:05
this war down. We have to wind this war down. We have an actual
40:10
war that we're not an actual war, but we have sales jobs. We
40:14
have stuff to do over there in Philippines and Taiwan, China.
40:18
See, there's real money to be had people we've got this guy is
40:23
he wants to tiddlywinks. Ms no sales in these drones? No, we're
40:28
not. We got to wind this down. So how do we do it? Well, let's
40:33
crank up the old narrative of we're going to apply prosecute
40:38
Putin, because not Russia, of course, we'd love the Russian
40:41
people. It's all about Putin. So how do we do that? Well, we have
40:45
to get them to the place where we have successfully prosecuted
40:48
Putin before. And that is the Hague in the Netherlands. And
40:53
nothing like doing a little ceremony on the eve of May 5,
40:58
actually was there may 4 with which is on the eve of May 5,
41:02
may 5 is Liberation Day in the Netherlands a big deal. On
41:09
something very impressive, the Dutch still do. And that is May
41:13
4 8pm. There is a moment of a minute of silence. And literally
41:20
people stop their cars on the highway get out. And we'll just
41:24
stand there and be silent for a minute to remember the fallen of
41:29
World War Two. So of course, we've got to bring this Nazi in.
41:35
Because the AES off brigade is literally naming streets after
41:38
Nazi heroes and some of the Dutch are onto it. Now there's
41:41
people writing about this and paper saying hey, why is this
41:43
guy here on this day? But that would not be the message we get
41:47
from Mark Ritter. And that is the way you pronounce it. M five
41:51
M Rita? Who is a unmarried, childless former HR manager at
41:57
Unilever. Yes.
41:59
John C Dvorak: How are they pronouncing it on the M five M?
42:01
Unknown: Root? root root root? Root? root root? Jimmy Dore does
42:08
it. Dude, call one Dutch please call me
42:12
Adam Curry: to tell you what anything you want. So Luca is an
42:16
unmarried, childless former HR manager Unilever, somehow he has
42:20
been the prime minister for I think 10 years now. Didn't know
42:24
maybe you'd want this is his fourth cabinet. Keep, just keep
42:27
keep keep him in there. And he welcomes valora Mia, to the
42:32
Hegge floor. It has been 434 days since you spoke a few
42:39
simple words that resonated all over the world.
42:44
Unknown: And I see what you were saying then.
42:47
Adam Curry: Sorry, I got a bus, the Dutch guy. And I instead of
42:50
it's called, quote, I'll be quoting you, Rita, I'll quote
42:54
you instead of I will say what you were saying then. And I see
42:58
what you're saying then. We are all here defending our
43:02
independence, our country. And it will stay this way. This what
43:07
you said. And it's those are riveting words. You Oh, my gosh,
43:14
I'm so glad we're all in front of the Ukraine fly
43:17
John C Dvorak: to hear the regular Winston Churchill, that
43:19
guy. We are all here
43:20
Adam Curry: defending our independence, our country. And
43:24
it will stay this way. This what you said. And it will be an
43:29
understatement to say that you've have to work to resolve
43:34
and courage of the brave soldiers and citizens Ukraine is
43:38
without precedent in our lifetime. Wow. without precedent
43:43
in our lifetime. There's a lot of people who are still around a
43:47
world war two dude who you're about to celebrate. And I would
43:49
say, you know, there's some differences in World War Two and
43:53
what you're seeing in Ukraine, but okay. And yourself has
43:57
become a symbol or for the country and country or country.
44:01
I like the country nice country has become a symbol or for the
44:06
country, and its people can do when they're fighting for the
44:11
existence, their freedom, and your future. And we all admire
44:16
you for that. Yes, we by the way, everyone's in a suit. Now
44:20
it's a nice reception. And he's he's got his that. His
44:25
trademark. What does that drab olive drab with a little logo in
44:30
the middle which is now his whole that's his costume. You
44:34
know, that little
44:34
John C Dvorak: little Yang costume is so tight fitting t
44:37
shirt with sleeves.
44:38
Adam Curry: He's got he's got he's got his costume. I like
44:41
Star Trek costume. All right. Now let's get into the meat of
44:44
what we're really doing here. When I had to, by the way, I
44:47
think that this was organized by the State Department the whole
44:50
thing from beginning to end, and I think I can prove it. Our
44:54
State Department when I had the privilege to address the members
44:58
of the Rabbah almost a year ago As I said, we will stay with you
45:03
every inch of the way.
45:08
Unknown: As far as I'm aware,
45:11
Adam Curry: Ukraine, the Netherlands most of the EU most
45:14
of the world uses the metric system. Why would you say every
45:19
inch of the way unless it was written by the US State
45:21
Department? Winner
45:31
Unknown: seriously,
45:32
John C Dvorak: this could have been written by chat GPT Yeah,
45:36
Adam Curry: you gotta go. I said, we will stay with you
45:40
every inch of the way. And let me assure you Volodymyr depths,
45:44
we are determined to keep our word now let's get to the meat
45:49
of the problem here. What do we got to end this war man? What
45:51
are we gonna do? Because this is an unjust war against everything
45:56
we stand for. Now. This is also American State Department
45:59
talking points and unjust war. Since when is war just is it
46:04
ever really just I mean, maybe I'm,
46:09
John C Dvorak: I think you're onto something here. This is an
46:11
interesting situation. It's quite likely that the State
46:16
Department put this together. Not only that, but as corny. Oh,
46:21
which is classic Blinken.
46:24
Adam Curry: The whole shaker inch by inch. Exactly.
46:28
John C Dvorak: Step by step slowly, I turned
46:30
Adam Curry: is an inch by inch. Isn't that the Robert De Niro
46:33
speech in that football movie?
46:36
John C Dvorak: inch by inch really comes from the Three
46:38
Stooges, I think are one of these.
46:41
Adam Curry: All right, it's not a just war, not a just war. It's
46:44
not fair. Because this is an unjust war against everything we
46:50
stand for. This was war against freedom, democracy, and rule of
46:55
law in our parts of the world rule of law. Yeah, it's actually
46:58
as we know, it's a rule. It's a war of aggression. Aggression.
47:03
That's right, we stand
47:04
John C Dvorak: by away rule, that rule of law, meme, blah,
47:07
blah, blah, is very American rule of law, of course,
47:11
Adam Curry: course democracy, and rule of law in our parts of
47:14
the rules. That's why we stand with Ukrainian people that had
47:18
the bastion of democracy, which is Ukraine. And right, you can
47:23
count on our unwavering support unwavering. Russia cannot read
47:28
this word and must be held accountable. All the crimes of
47:32
aggression, and the injustice. There it is the crimes of
47:36
aggression that we do, we have to look at these euphemisms, the
47:41
crime of aggression. So if I'm aggressive, that's a crime. If
47:47
I'm aggressive in my speaking patterns, if I'm aggressive on
47:50
the playing field, if I'm aggressive in my academic
47:54
studies, that is a crime. That literally calling the crime of
47:58
aggression helped me John.
48:00
John C Dvorak: No, no, you're on a roll.
48:02
Adam Curry: Russia cannot read this word. And it must be held
48:05
accountable for all the crimes of aggression, and the injustice
48:10
that this inflicting on the people of Ukraine, day after day
48:14
in this horrific world. So what better place to meet Dan here in
48:19
The Hague, to vehicle capital of the world? In case you didn't
48:26
know, The Hague is the legal capital of the world.
48:32
John C Dvorak: And that we're miniature world is
48:35
Adam Curry: Maduro, dumb, whatever. It's called in Maduro.
48:38
Dom Yeah, it's it's actually close. It's I think it's between
48:41
the Hague and Rotterdam miniature world miniature world.
48:45
So it's it's quite cute Maduro Dom
48:48
John C Dvorak: Oh, it's dynamite. I would recommend
48:50
every anyone who has a chance to visit this little operation to
48:54
do do little to go do it. I've fastened it anyway. I'm with you
49:03
on everything so far, but I've got my conclusion is different
49:06
than yours.
49:08
Adam Curry: By the way the Maduro dam is in The Hague. I'm
49:10
sorry. It's not between Hague and Rotterdam, thanks to NPC.
49:13
Alright, what's your conclusion?
49:16
John C Dvorak: We're going to we're gearing up to actually do
49:19
an invasion. boots on the ground American soldiers.
49:22
Adam Curry: No, absolutely not. We're gearing up to end the war.
49:26
And we're doing it with all these fluffy we're and the way
49:29
we do it is we come up with we come up with a way to take the
49:34
money that we confiscated, illegal way back for the crimes
49:38
of aggression. Then we prosecute Putin in the capital of the
49:44
legal capital of the world, just like we did before. So what
49:48
better place to meet than here in The Hague, the legal capital
49:52
of the world ever since the downing of Flight MH 17 in the
49:57
Netherlands have known that Justice doesn't come
50:01
automatically. And this was mh 17, the Malaysian flight which
50:04
they
50:05
John C Dvorak: rigged, the rigged report never been
50:08
released. The box has never been released as phony the same.
50:13
They're just making the Hague look like a phony baloney
50:16
operation when he brings that in.
50:18
Adam Curry: And they brought in Bellingcat. The same the same
50:22
intelligence operation who had all the proof of the boot rocket
50:26
being shot from Russia. No, he was Ukraine. We I mean, man, we
50:30
did so much on it. We had so much coverage of that. So he's
50:33
pulling these two together. And of course, that's just over now.
50:37
Oh, no, no, we already know that doesn't come easily. But but you
50:39
know, it we all know it's as good as it's as good as we
50:43
basically have him hanging Putin for MH 17 And we'll hang him for
50:48
this too, so that everybody can take the money final payout.
50:51
Everybody gets their cash. That's what's going on. I make
50:56
some tea. We in the Netherlands have known that justice doesn't
51:00
come automatically. You have to have staying power.
51:04
John C Dvorak: Setting power. That means you need to buy
51:08
deodorant commercially the
51:09
Adam Curry: Viagra of law I don't I don't know what kind of
51:12
state and power you need. But that's weird. Let's have known
51:15
you know the State Department. Hey, hey, I know I was putting
51:19
some funny was putting the staying power just see if anyone
51:21
catches it make make that Rick root guy say that make him say
51:25
that. Okay, that's cool. Did justice doesn't come
51:28
automatically. You have to have staying power. The Netherlands
51:32
will do everything it can to ensure that justice is done for
51:36
Ukraine, however long it takes. And however difficult it may be.
51:41
It's the term is whatever it takes. But okay. Flow to me, I
51:45
should know your fish to the Netherlands couldn't have come
51:48
at the more symbolic moment. Every year. On the fourth of May
51:52
we remember the Dutch victims of the Second World War, and all
51:56
the soldiers who have given their life since then, for peace
51:59
and freedom worldwide. Tomorrow on the fifth of May Liberation
52:04
Day, we are fortunate that we can celebrate that we have been
52:08
a free country since 1945. And a lot of Dutch are pissed about
52:12
this. Like what is that guy doing here? This is a this is
52:15
our war remembrance. For our people. The country was
52:20
flattened. people ate sugar beets. They ate nettle soup with
52:23
rocks. So now Now, I'm not liking that. So Zelinsky then
52:29
goes to the International Criminal Court and does a little
52:34
bit and I'm not going to tell you what the backdrop. All these
52:37
things have a backdrop with their slogan. And it was a
52:40
printed slogan, which I'm not going to tell you just yet,
52:43
because the term is used in this report from France 24. Luckily,
52:46
we don't have to listen to him talking. We have the F 24. Lady
52:50
to tell us kind of exactly what Volodymyr said in this. In this
53:00
speech at the International Criminal Court.
53:02
Unknown: He also talked about the importance of justice that
53:08
there can be no peace without justice.
53:11
Adam Curry: Literally on the background and said no peace for
53:15
Ukraine without justice. Does that sound familiar?
53:19
John C Dvorak: That's one of our one of our lefty slogans from
53:21
the United States.
53:22
Adam Curry: No, George Floyd, No justice, no peace. Yeah,
53:25
John C Dvorak: there's a George Floyd. Yep. So we made it. But
53:27
it's been around forever, that it's always the same thing.
53:30
Adam Curry: But but now they've just turned it around and said,
53:33
there will be no peace for Ukraine without justice. So what
53:37
they're saying is in the way I see it, is we will call peace
53:41
after we have justice. What is justice, that means we convict
53:44
Putin, we don't have to throw him in jail. We have just like
53:47
mh 17 We convict him. We take the money that we confiscated,
53:52
and then we make peace.
53:53
Unknown: He also talked about the importance of justice, that
53:59
there can be no peace without justice, because unless issues
54:02
are fully properly resolved, they simply erupt again later
54:05
on. For him, it is vital that Vladimir Putin is held to
54:10
account at this court, he made no bones about that. And he also
54:14
said that that should be stipulated in any negotiated
54:19
peace agreement that there must be no repetition of aggression,
54:24
Adam Curry: repetition of aggression, all that horrible
54:27
crime, again, by Russia,
54:28
Unknown: towards Ukraine. So he is very clearly setting out his
54:33
points. It is true that Ukraine might not get all at once and
54:37
there is a lot of discussion about when this war might end,
54:42
and what might constitute some sort of acceptable settlement to
54:47
Ukraine. So it's about the money and there are murmurings that
54:51
perhaps Ukraine should settle for the 2014 borders and forget
54:58
about Crimea. He is saying No way, we want Crimea back. We
55:02
want our territory. And we want our values, which are universal
55:07
values respected.
55:12
Adam Curry: So that's new. He's not gonna get he's not gonna get
55:15
Crimea. He's just he just using that as a chip. We need
55:19
universal values back to the back to the 94. What did you
55:23
say? 9094? Let
55:25
John C Dvorak: me say they had a date I forget what it was just
55:28
check it.
55:28
Unknown: Was it this one? Hey, oh, I have to rewind. There we
55:32
go.
55:33
Let's forget about Crimea. He is saying No way. Was it here for
55:38
the 2014 borders
55:42
Adam Curry: 2014 borders, okay, which is, which is kind of what
55:45
Putin wants. So we get to 2014 borders back to which is the
55:50
Donbass region, which may be just a demilitarized zone. And
55:54
then you get your money, which is kind of ABS it's probably
55:57
already been stolen by now. So everyone already hadn't. Lansky
56:01
has billions and offshore bank accounts. This is coming to an
56:05
end. So I do not think there's boots on the ground coming. And
56:08
the reason for that is this next report, which is obvious what
56:12
what everyone's looking at because what do we have we have
56:16
a dinky toy dipshit drone flying over the Kremlin. Volodymyr
56:22
saying we don't have we don't have we don't have this
56:25
capability. Now because it's all over here, bro.
56:28
Unknown: Well, the Taiwan US Defense Industry Forum was an
56:31
event where people gathered mainly to discuss how to buy and
56:35
sell more weapons. It lasted around three hours it took place
56:38
with a convention center in Taipei and representatives of
56:42
around 25 US defense contractors reportedly attended and days
56:46
before here in Beijing, the spokesman of China's defense
56:49
ministry said that he was quote unquote, extremely concerned
56:52
about the forum he criticized the US as military industrial
56:56
complex and accused Taiwan's ruling DPP of inviting wolves
57:00
into their home. There's also been a few editorials that were
57:03
published in Chinese state media criticizing the event last week
57:08
in the past few days. So we haven't seen much new this
57:11
Wednesday morning, though we have recorded an uptick in
57:15
Chinese military activity in around the Taiwan Strait. And it
57:19
is a little bit too early to save this has a direct link to
57:23
that event or not. What I can say though, is that the forum
57:26
isn't really much of a big deal. If you look at the bigger
57:28
picture, the US has already sold 10s of billions of dollars worth
57:32
of weapons to Taipei since 1979. And earlier this year,
57:37
Washington approved the sale of $619 million worth of weapons,
57:41
including F 16. fighter jet to Taipei, that was the biggest
57:45
sale of 2023. So far. So these activities aren't going to stop
57:49
anytime soon. These deals do do come though, as Beijing has been
57:54
ramping up pressure military and political pressure on the self
57:58
Rhode Island in recent years.
58:00
Adam Curry: So we'll do whatever it takes for Ukraine. But the f6
58:04
teams that go into Taiwan biggest sale of the year. This
58:10
is it. This is the Bonanza they don't give a crap about Ukraine.
58:14
John C Dvorak: We're putting boots on the ground. That's why
58:16
Susan Rice quick.
58:18
Adam Curry: She's She's running mic Obama's campaign, bro.
58:22
John C Dvorak: Whatever it takes is a term that keeps coming up.
58:25
And the only way Biden is going to stand off as he thinks is if
58:29
he gets foot feet on the ground, because that's the way you
58:32
always Americans always think, well, you know, you're in a
58:34
conflict. We can't abandon our president now.
58:38
Adam Curry: Yes, I read the newsletter. And that is that is
58:42
sent in edit. No, I'm sorry. I was out doing important things.
58:48
There was nothing to edit, do you? It was fine. I didn't see
58:50
any mistakes. But I'm sorry. You're right. I got distracted.
58:54
And that was it. I was prepping for the show. That is a that is
59:00
certainly a playbook American presidents have used but he is
59:03
being taken down. He's been being taken down by the Democrat
59:07
Party. He's a marked man. There's no way and they're just
59:11
enlisting the Republicans now. I didn't know what is wrong with
59:17
this weather with what's wrong with this clip. Now, why won't
59:19
this play? Let me say
59:22
John C Dvorak: I want to mention something I did get a note from
59:24
one of our producers who's in the army who said that he's over
59:27
there. And he says the reporting about soldiers in Ukraine
59:31
already is not being handled at all by the mainstream media. And
59:37
I'm telling you, something's up.
59:39
Unknown: Hold on a second. I have it here. Oh, this is really
59:43
weird. This clip, it's got this whole Grassley thing. I wonder
59:48
what's gonna happen to this clip. You've heard about this.
59:52
The the here we got to see if I play it this way. Maybe this
59:55
will work. Let me say
59:59
Adam Curry: that Yeah, listen to this. Listen, I don't know why
1:00:01
it's not playing my regular system. Here we go. Senator. I
1:00:03
Unknown: know you've also just issued a statement on you, as
1:00:06
well as your colleague James Comer demanding the FBI record
1:00:12
on alleging criminal, this criminal scheme involving then
1:00:16
Vice President Biden, this congressional subpoena, you say
1:00:20
seeks a specific FBI document. Senator, thank you for jumping
1:00:24
on with us. What
1:00:25
can you tell us? Well, I will only add to what you say that
1:00:29
this comes from credible and on classified whistleblower
1:00:35
disclosures, this possible criminal activity when Biden was
1:00:39
vice president. And we're, we want this information. And
1:00:44
there's a subpoena going to be areas issued now. And it really
1:00:49
boils down to my traditional oversight of government.
1:00:55
Particularly see the executive branch's doing the work that
1:01:00
they're supposed to be doing. So the Justice Department, the FBI
1:01:04
needs to come clean to the American people what they did
1:01:07
with the document, because we know the document exists from
1:01:12
very credible whistleblower information that we got. We can
1:01:19
we really need to know what steps did the Justice Department
1:01:22
and FBI take to investigate? And to vet the document to determine
1:01:28
if it's accurate or not? And did the Justice Department the FBI
1:01:33
follow normal investigative procedures? Or did they let
1:01:37
political calculations interfere?
1:01:40
Adam Curry: So it's a double whammy? Which is of course what
1:01:43
Obama does Obama is run by the CIA. So we blame the FBI and we
1:01:47
get Biden out for an actual crime, not something his kid
1:01:50
did. No for an actual crime on US soil. This is a setup and you
1:01:56
called it you call that you call the takedown of Biden. Now you
1:02:00
know, your was
1:02:00
John C Dvorak: fighting back and he's going to fight back by
1:02:03
sending troops to Ukraine. That's the way he's gonna fight
1:02:07
back. While he knows what's what's going on.
1:02:10
Adam Curry: Wow. Yeah, okay. Well, but the military
1:02:15
industrial complex, they don't want
1:02:18
John C Dvorak: it. They're just, they're just looking at their
1:02:20
bank accounts.
1:02:22
Adam Curry: They're all in Taiwan with the ladies of the
1:02:24
night.
1:02:24
John C Dvorak: Well, that's more money. It's just more money. And
1:02:27
the 60s, you know, who gives a shit those things? You got to
1:02:30
face those things out and started selling the expensive F
1:02:32
30? Fives.
1:02:35
Adam Curry: The dog the dog that don't fly.
1:02:38
Unknown: Flies, tell me what.
1:02:42
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, while all this is going down in 2023 It's
1:02:46
unbelievable. But there's still a whole country that will stop
1:02:50
dead in its tracks to watch an old dude with an old bag getting
1:02:54
a golden golden coach and be turned into the king.
1:02:59
Unknown: Anti monarchy protesters in the UK are under
1:03:02
close watch. Ahead of the coronation. The British Home
1:03:05
Office has issued a warning letter saying planned peaceful
1:03:08
protests on coronation day will be firmly blocked.
1:03:11
Adam Curry: I love planned peaceful protests. In the US
1:03:14
Those are cool even during COVID. There they will be
1:03:17
blocked
1:03:17
Unknown: strong measures are in place to prevent any disruptive
1:03:20
activity. A new law will enable 12 months imprisonment for
1:03:24
protesters blocking roads, airports and railways unless it
1:03:28
from the home offices police powers unit says the law has
1:03:31
been brought to prevent disruption at major sporting and
1:03:34
cultural events blocking process of the king of the climate
1:03:38
activists have unleashed the law also lays down six months in
1:03:42
jail and a fine for protesters locking onto other objects
1:03:46
including buildings like mark of protest.
1:03:49
This is great.
1:03:51
John C Dvorak: You can name it activists.
1:03:53
Adam Curry: Oh yeah, the climate activist even though he's the
1:03:55
climate guy is like
1:03:57
John C Dvorak: a climate nut ball. These are they should be
1:04:00
pleased as punch that this guy's getting in
1:04:03
Adam Curry: now, but that's because they're they're bold.
1:04:05
They're bold. They're both by the way the members of the
1:04:10
public had been invited to swear their allegiance to the king.
1:04:14
They have people around the UK and abroad who will be invited
1:04:20
to say the words I swear I will pay true allegiance to Your
1:04:24
Majesty and Your heirs and successors according to the law.
1:04:28
So help me God says
1:04:31
Unknown: onto other objects including buildings as a mark of
1:04:34
protest right police powers to stop and search protesters if
1:04:39
they suspect they're planning to cause chaos anti monarchy group
1:04:42
Republic described the letter as very odd. The group has been
1:04:46
planning protests on coronation day, their boundaries to read
1:04:50
knots making reports say are the units like Climate Group
1:04:54
extinction rebellion have been sent similar lunches. Many
1:04:58
groups have his house what they called certain action by the
1:05:01
home office. They call this a restriction of freedom of speech
1:05:05
and right to a peaceful and legitimate protest.
1:05:08
Adam Curry: Well, of course the UK is is a speech free zone,
1:05:12
man. As in you can't use any.
1:05:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah and go to the corner Speaker's Corner if
1:05:19
you
1:05:19
Adam Curry: remember I went there on Tina, I were in the UK,
1:05:21
it was nobody there.
1:05:23
John C Dvorak: I've been there a number of times I stay at a
1:05:25
place that's nearby. When I'm in London. We
1:05:28
Adam Curry: were there more recent than us. Probably. Yeah.
1:05:31
There's
1:05:32
John C Dvorak: been anybody there. I first time I was in
1:05:34
there. And Alana was in 1973. There was nobody there. I
1:05:37
Adam Curry: was there in 19. See, I was 15. So that makes me
1:05:44
76. My dad took me and we went to Speaker's Corner. I was very
1:05:50
impressed. And there was no a one or two guys standing on the
1:05:53
corner there talking to us.
1:05:55
John C Dvorak: Socialist. Yeah.
1:05:58
Adam Curry: But yeah, you can't say anything on social media.
1:06:00
You can't do anything there anything. And now he's like, Oh,
1:06:04
you want a peaceful protest? No, no, six months in jail. No.
1:06:09
Peaceful protest. No, no peaceful protest for
1:06:11
John C Dvorak: Yeah, happy. Now if we're going to talk about
1:06:13
this topic, and I want to mention here that I've been
1:06:17
listening to some more podcasts than usual. Yeah, they spend
1:06:21
hours on one topic. The Royals were on no any one topic. Yeah.
1:06:28
We've already on our fourth topic here. Yeah. So let's go to
1:06:33
so now I've got NPR is decided to become the frontman row and
1:06:39
and promoter of Camilla
1:06:42
Unknown: really, really the HorseFace
1:06:45
John C Dvorak: Do you want a listen to a report that is so
1:06:49
disgusting. It's like a hagiography just over the air of
1:06:55
Camilla and the whole setup the whole thing? It's, it's to me
1:07:00
it's remarkable. It's I
1:07:01
Adam Curry: think, yes, I do, of course. And it feels to me like
1:07:03
this is very wrong. Certainly the NPR listening audience. I
1:07:08
believe that they were that the NPR audience is Lady die Fans.
1:07:13
And if you're a Lady Diana fan, which I would say I was a fan. I
1:07:18
mean, she I disagree with the whole story. You know, boohoo
1:07:22
poor poor princess now now she was a she was a media whore. And
1:07:26
she liked it. And that eventually got her killed. But
1:07:30
you know how she was treated versus Camilla. Camilla is just
1:07:34
she is Beelzebub compared to Lady die.
1:07:38
John C Dvorak: Well, we're gonna hear the update on this because
1:07:40
we have one of the key experts in pushing boo boos narratives
1:07:45
coming on. But let's go with Camilla one NPR
1:07:49
Unknown: over the past several decades. The one time Camilla
1:07:52
Parker Bowles has been known as many things.
1:07:55
Adam Curry: By the way, I think we should all go by our full
1:07:57
middle names Adam Clark curry and John Charles Dvorak and
1:08:00
Camilla Parker Bowles
1:08:01
Unknown: of the rakish Brigadier Andrew Parker Bowles, girlfriend
1:08:05
of the heir to the throne. But most of all the other woman in
1:08:09
what turned out to be the not so fairytale marriage of Charles
1:08:12
and Diana. And this Saturday, she will officially have a new
1:08:16
title Queen Tina Brown wrote the palace papers inside the House
1:08:21
of Windsor. And she's on the line to talk with us about
1:08:23
kimolos winding journey. Tina, welcome back to the show. Thank
1:08:26
you so much. For Americans who are not obsessed with the Royals
1:08:30
and who might know Camilla mainly for her role in the
1:08:33
breakup of King Charles is then Prince Charles's first marriage
1:08:37
reminds us of her background separate from Charles,
1:08:40
Adam Curry: this is so not left this obsessed,
1:08:43
Unknown: obsessed, obsessed with the queen obsessed with the
1:08:46
Royals at fest.
1:08:48
Adam Curry: It's something that all American women, for some
1:08:51
reason get to get a day off from being political, and they can
1:08:55
all be obsessed. Oh, I love the hat. I love the coach. It's a
1:08:58
fairy tale. It's it's weird.
1:09:02
John C Dvorak: Now, this particular presentation, I find
1:09:05
to be completely offensive. And they bring in Tina Brown who is
1:09:10
famous and she's like, I don't know if she's royal washer, a
1:09:13
royal watch. Well, I mean, she's the one who started Vanity Fair.
1:09:16
She's a very famous editor. And you bring her in to do a hatchet
1:09:22
job of some sort or some professional, not a hit job in
1:09:26
this case, but a flattery job. And so we're going to be re
1:09:30
educated about the greatness of Camilla now say you're way off
1:09:36
with your data analysis yours that's old. That's the old
1:09:40
analysis, did a new analysis I want you to stay I want to ask
1:09:44
her.
1:09:47
Adam Curry: Well, of course this is you know, we have a special
1:09:49
relationship between the US and the UK. So every person who has
1:09:54
authority to speak of the Royals has to have like we had to be a
1:09:59
friend of so One or been at parties. So what do we know what
1:10:04
her connection was what Tina Brown's connection
1:10:08
John C Dvorak: if you go to a wiki page and start looking at
1:10:10
you'll see there's some deep connection to Kingsman or
1:10:15
something who knows. Let's go to part two of these clips coming
1:10:19
to
1:10:19
Unknown: comes from a very upper class squire rocky kind of a
1:10:22
background. Her father was a major, very, very, extremely
1:10:26
well regarded veteran hero actually, in the Second World
1:10:30
War. Her mother was an aristocrat, so she always was
1:10:33
raised in the extremely sort of aristocratic Millia of a country
1:10:37
debutante if you like in on the Sussex down so her whole her
1:10:41
circle was always extremely upper class bumping up against
1:10:45
Royals in every conceivable shape and form.
1:10:47
I've always thought of Charles as sort of a stiff kind of
1:10:50
awkward person, although he's grown into his role over the
1:10:53
years. What is her reputation?
1:10:57
Adam Curry: What is this NPR lady? No. He was he was always a
1:11:02
little bit stiff.
1:11:03
John C Dvorak: But no, this is like scripted. You're weird.
1:11:05
This is so scripted. It this is i It's almost like an advert. A
1:11:12
one of those phony baloney ads. It's like it's almost like an
1:11:15
advertisement.
1:11:16
Adam Curry: Is she referring to a native ad? Is she referring to
1:11:19
the time when we had the the leaked phone call of Prince
1:11:22
Charles saying to Camilla I wish it was your tampon? Is that Is
1:11:26
that what she means? Really, then he kind of grew into his
1:11:28
role
1:11:29
Unknown: either will shape and form.
1:11:30
I've always thought of Charles as sort of a stiff kind of
1:11:33
awkward personal though he's grown into his role over the
1:11:36
years. What is her reputation or the public sensibilities? No,
1:11:40
this
1:11:40
always wildly attractive, tremendously earthy,
1:11:45
earthy, earthy.
1:11:48
Absolutely. times you know, Compeller really was and indeed
1:11:52
her her brother and sister were very appealing to they were
1:11:54
known as the sexy fans because the Shan family she was you
1:11:57
know, Camilla Shand? You know, they were very appealing country
1:12:01
family, always the sort of toast of every debutante party and
1:12:04
hold on so she was a very appealing woman and she could
1:12:06
have really married anyone. She was definitely extremely popular
1:12:10
on the on the sort of, you know, the single woman's circuit.
1:12:13
Well, you say appealing, but what
1:12:16
Adam Curry: else did she date on the single woman circuit? Who
1:12:19
else
1:12:20
John C Dvorak: they go they present this and then of course,
1:12:23
her next commentary is kind of again is different. She presents
1:12:30
her as like some hottie back in the day, and the toast of the
1:12:35
town and you know, her and her siblings, and so so that she's
1:12:42
she's developing this, this, this narrative that is just it's
1:12:48
hard to believe
1:12:49
Adam Curry: let me finish let me finish this clip. There's 22
1:12:51
seconds left home
1:12:53
Unknown: definitely are extremely popular on the on the
1:12:55
sort of, you know, the single woman's circuit.
1:12:57
Well, you say appealing, but there was a point where she was
1:13:00
one of the most hated women in Britain, I believe the year
1:13:03
after she married Charles, which was 2005. A poll for The Times
1:13:06
of London found only 21% of the British public would be happy to
1:13:10
have her as queen. But last year, just a few days after
1:13:13
Queen Elizabeth died, a different poll showed that 53%
1:13:16
of the British public thought she'd do a good job in her new
1:13:18
role. How does she manage that turnaround?
1:13:21
Adam Curry: I don't see any dating history of her on the
1:13:24
wiki pedia. When she did launch the big bone walk campaign,
1:13:30
whatever that is. Wow.
1:13:35
John C Dvorak: Okay, so we're that was clip one, clip two,
1:13:38
part three. Okay, well, let's go with Step Three because now we
1:13:41
get the WTF clip.
1:13:42
Unknown: Well, first of all, you know, that's the reason she was
1:13:45
so unpopular was really because she was always seen through the
1:13:47
prism of being, you know, the usurper of the adored Princess
1:13:52
Diana. So you know, Diana used to call her the Rottweiler and
1:13:56
you know, she was not a glamour girl come in or at any point I
1:13:59
mean, part of her is that this is a woman who likes to wear
1:14:02
Adam Curry: I thought she was the hottie hottie on the on the
1:14:05
John C Dvorak: braid there but she was never the glamour girl
1:14:08
that Auntie at any point
1:14:10
Adam Curry: she's the Yoko of the Royals man. Come on. Wait
1:14:13
John C Dvorak: a minute. Just the clip before this. She's
1:14:15
going on about she was a hottie and she was the queen of the
1:14:19
dead, retired anybody gotten married anybody? Blah, blah,
1:14:22
blah. And now she's never been anything but. But a Rottweiler
1:14:26
or whatever that was. I
1:14:27
Adam Curry: can't believe we're doing a whole segment on this.
1:14:31
John C Dvorak: It's just deconstruction of NPR. Yeah,
1:14:34
that's
1:14:34
Adam Curry: a good point. They did anyway, onward that you know
1:14:37
what? Elon Musk is right. They don't deserve to have the
1:14:41
John C Dvorak: total agreement.
1:14:42
Unknown: And you know, she was not a glamour girl. committer at
1:14:45
any point, I mean, part of her appeal. He likes to wear
1:14:48
comfortable shoes that she doesn't like to get funny and
1:14:51
Adam Curry: comfortable shoes because she doesn't like to get
1:14:54
that's hot on the dating scene.
1:14:57
John C Dvorak: Great. She wears comfortable shoes because she
1:15:00
doesn't like to get bunions. Tony that's
1:15:03
Adam Curry: literally in a world where women wear comfortable
1:15:05
shoes. This is horrible.
1:15:08
Unknown: She's because she doesn't like to get bunions you
1:15:11
know she has gardeners hands in the sense that you know, rather
1:15:13
gardeners
1:15:14
Adam Curry: hands test oh my god I've met this chick she's so
1:15:17
hot. She's wearing Crocs and she's got bunions. Gardener
1:15:21
hands, man all like crooked and crap. Oh, I can't wait to bagger
1:15:24
Unknown: you know, she has gotten his hands in the sense of
1:15:27
you know, rather dirty fingernails from her plunging
1:15:29
into amongst the greenery. A real kind of dog walker covered
1:15:32
in dog has you know, she's not a glamour woman.
1:15:35
Wow.
1:15:37
Adam Curry: All right, you know, just because I don't know why I
1:15:39
have this. I have to give this to you just right now.
1:15:43
Unknown: That is wow. Wow.
1:15:47
John C Dvorak: A clip of the day after you're complaining.
1:15:51
Adam Curry: This was this is horrible. Tina Brock. Wow. I all
1:15:56
I can say is wow, I've said it too many times already. Man,
1:16:00
John C Dvorak: it's unbelievable. I know this. So
1:16:02
here we go with the UG clip. This is a clip for
1:16:06
Unknown: and unfortunately for her or you know, people knew
1:16:08
nothing really about her because she was so very, very private.
1:16:11
Her friends knew she was this extraordinary, attractive and
1:16:14
appealing woman but you know, in terms of the public feeling
1:16:16
about her, they saw her through Diana's eyes which was usurper
1:16:19
and she had to have that stigma and the press went after her was
1:16:23
such viciousness. I mean, the really appalling sexist comments
1:16:26
about Kamala, I mean, they used to call her, you know, Baghel
1:16:29
trout. You know.
1:16:33
Adam Curry: I've never heard old trout. I think that's a winner
1:16:38
show title
1:16:38
Unknown: spaciousness. I mean, the really appalling sexist
1:16:41
comments about Kamala, I mean, they used to call her you know,
1:16:44
Baghel trout,
1:16:46
Adam Curry: which were I mean, she called her lady with
1:16:47
gardener hands a dog lady, by the way. How can old trout be
1:16:52
bad? Passes? This is NPR man. Crazy press
1:16:58
Unknown: Control. NAFTA was such viciousness. I mean, the really
1:17:02
appalling sexist comments about Kamala, I mean, they used to
1:17:04
call her, you know, Baghel trout. You know, I mean, there
1:17:08
was even a dish named after her as haddock, Parker Bowles. I
1:17:12
mean, just the rudest thing had to the point that she used to
1:17:15
joke to Charles and assign her letter to him. You're devoted
1:17:18
old bag, Camilla. Because she'd been called it so often.
1:17:22
Sounds like she was a good sport about the abuse. Yes,
1:17:24
she had a great sense of humor that was part of her strength.
1:17:26
So do you think over time
1:17:27
the public has forgiven her and it thinks, look, this is a
1:17:31
legitimate relationship? Is it legitimate love between these
1:17:33
two? And we've time time healed how the public felt about her?
1:17:36
Well, yes, because she's now been a working royal for 20
1:17:39
years actually really want nearly 20 years. I mean, as well
1:17:41
as wife of Charles, there has been an acceptance, I mean, in
1:17:45
some ways, because Charles now becomes king so late, and she's
1:17:48
a woman of 75. After all, she has now become sort of the
1:17:51
nation's grandmother and is sort of on her way to becoming sort
1:17:54
of a national treasure. So having kind of getting the
1:17:57
reward, as it were so late has really been beneficial to her
1:18:01
because earlier, I don't think the public would have accepted
1:18:04
it. But they're beginning to see that she's a very hardworking,
1:18:06
very gracious, humorous, unpretentious woman actually,
1:18:09
who has definitely improved Charles's life and has really
1:18:11
transformed him into being an unapologetically happy man.
1:18:16
Adam Curry: Oh, he looks so happy, doesn't he?
1:18:18
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Now you all should
1:18:21
Adam Curry: be ashamed of themselves. don't donate to NPR.
1:18:25
John C Dvorak: Know give us the money Yeah, really. So so I get
1:18:29
this last clip and like I say, Keep listening to this thinking
1:18:32
there's got to be some things someone some talent some what
1:18:37
happened here, why am I listening to Tina Brown, doing
1:18:41
shtick and then also trying to be so complimentary in some sort
1:18:45
of a propagandist ik way? There must be a rationale. There must
1:18:50
be something something Ah, here it comes and clip five see if
1:18:53
you can find it.
1:18:54
Unknown: In Prince Harry's very popular recent memoir. He was
1:18:57
very critical of her and I suppose like any blended family,
1:19:01
let's call it the Windsors have some complicated relationship.
1:19:03
Is
1:19:03
Adam Curry: that a racist comment blended family is that
1:19:06
because the Harry did not catch that? Is that is that like
1:19:12
people of color? Is that what they mean? blended? Interesting
1:19:15
and catch let's just call it blended
1:19:18
Unknown: racist in Prince Harry's very popular recent
1:19:21
memoir. He was very critical of her and I suppose like any
1:19:24
blended family, let's call it the Windsors have some
1:19:27
complicated relationships to navigate. But he accused her of
1:19:30
feeding the press and negative stories about him so she could
1:19:32
get better Press Is that likely to contaminate how Brits feel
1:19:36
about her?
1:19:37
Well, I think there was a period when Charles to really
1:19:40
rehabilitate both his own image and that of Camilla after the
1:19:44
death of Diana hired a quite resourceful, shall we say
1:19:49
sophisticated press secretary who was all about making her
1:19:52
reputation better and making Charles's reputation but Harry
1:19:55
felt strongly that he and William was sometimes thrown
1:19:58
under the bus for the sake of their father. And for Camila's
1:20:00
PR, you know, I think that Harry also does very much see that
1:20:04
through the furious, you know lens of being the son of you
1:20:08
know the beloved Diana, his wonderful mother. The only real
1:20:11
misery in her life was this figure, Camilla so it's not
1:20:14
really unlikely that Harry would feel so strongly about it
1:20:18
because all his life he was raised to think of her as the
1:20:20
enemy.
1:20:22
John C Dvorak: The PR woman, then talented PR woman is still
1:20:28
working for them. And Tina Brown was to it. I guess she had to
1:20:34
mention it
1:20:35
Unknown: because she has her friends with her she's friends.
1:20:38
And so she
1:20:39
John C Dvorak: mentioned it and you next thing I'm thinking oh,
1:20:42
this whole thing is a setup. The PR woman arranged it this is
1:20:47
just a hagiography kind of things. You probably pay Tina
1:20:50
straight from the Royal budget. Yeah, who knows? Well, it is a
1:20:55
scam
1:20:56
Adam Curry: and I think NPR jumped on it because they want
1:20:59
some of that Harry and Megan juice. You know, because that's
1:21:02
been very successful. It's been very profitable. There Netflix
1:21:06
show has been you know, that was one of the top viewed Netflix
1:21:10
shows ever. Yeah, so they're just going for some cheap ass
1:21:14
ratings. With a with a cheap couple in a cheap ass coach is
1:21:21
cheap, cheap ass. It's just cheap has been big, cheap ass
1:21:26
thing. All right, I gotta lighten the mood here for a
1:21:27
second. I need to tell you a little story. That was pretty
1:21:31
light. I know but I'm gonna go light into heavier stuff but
1:21:34
through a through a more modern a modern conflict so the old
1:21:41
rockers are still out and about. And Gene Simmons, I don't know
1:21:47
what he's doing. But he was he was like, Hey, if you don't get
1:21:50
the COVID shot you should die. So gene gene was a dick but Paul
1:21:57
Stanley of Kiss he's the guitar player key is you know did
1:22:04
something very controversial. Now these guys are all have a
1:22:08
Stanley's gotta be almost 70 These guys are all up there. And
1:22:12
I know them all and they're interesting dudes you but you
1:22:14
know, they're still playing the you know, the Connecticut fair
1:22:17
or whatever the kids probably does is concealed draw big
1:22:20
audiences. And he posted about trans Maoism. Doors we call
1:22:28
that's what we call it, but in general is about transgender
1:22:32
children, you know about gender affirming care. We've talked
1:22:36
about this. He says my thoughts on what I'm seeing. There's a
1:22:39
big difference between teaching acceptance and normalizing and
1:22:41
even encouraging participation and a lifestyle that confuses
1:22:45
young children into questioning their sexual identification, as
1:22:48
though some sort of game and then the parents in some cases
1:22:51
allow it. There are individuals who as adults may decide
1:22:55
reassignment is their needed choice. But turning this into a
1:22:58
game or parents normalizing it as some sort of natural
1:23:00
alternative. Or believing that because little boy likes to play
1:23:03
dress up in his sister clothes or a girl in her brother's we
1:23:06
should lead them steps further down a path that's far from the
1:23:10
innocence of what they are doing. With many children who
1:23:13
have no real sense of sexuality or sexual experience caught up
1:23:16
in the fun of using pronouns and seeing what they identify as
1:23:20
some adults mistakenly confuse teaching acceptance with
1:23:24
normalizing and encouraging a situation that has been a
1:23:26
struggle for those truly affected and if turned into a
1:23:29
sad and dangerous fad. Well, slow clap Tiffany pen tap for
1:23:34
Paul Stanley. This is good, right? So yes, okay, Paul, you
1:23:39
know, of course, you know, it's just a tweet now. Oh, the world
1:23:43
comes to an end. Oh, no. Oh, boy. Paul Stanley, what does he
1:23:48
say now? Parallel to this a few weeks ago, I didn't mention on
1:23:51
the show because D Schneider is a drip. Then on D Snyder is the
1:23:57
lead singer of Twisted Sister that pretty much only had one
1:24:01
hit. We're not going to take it and and I'm sure that he wrote
1:24:05
it. I don't know who else I should have checked out who else
1:24:07
wrote the song. But when you have a song like that, you can
1:24:11
do you get your royalties and you know, the the song is played
1:24:16
over and over and over again. It's played in venues it's
1:24:19
played all over the world. It's played as an anthem for all
1:24:21
kinds of stuff. It's it's one of those pits that you could it's
1:24:24
like like writing White Christmas almost. The money just
1:24:28
always comes in a you can always dress up with the eye makeup.
1:24:31
Get your get your glam on get your high heels on because
1:24:34
that's what Twisted Sister was you know the name Twisted
1:24:36
Sister. And you can always just do gigs you can because all you
1:24:40
have to do is have 10 songs. five songs a do we're not going
1:24:44
to take it three times. And that's our show. Good night,
1:24:47
Connecticut. And I'm happy that you remember. This must have
1:24:53
been 2010 2011 Maybe Yeah. Howard Stern interviewed me for
1:24:59
Sirius X Sam, and I made a pitch to Howard Stern. I said, Hey,
1:25:03
you know, I'm authorized, which I wasn't. But we knew we could
1:25:08
get the money. I said, But I'm offered to offer you Howard
1:25:11
Stern $100 million to leave Syria, I think is his contract
1:25:15
was up for renegotiation renegotiation to leave Sirius
1:25:18
XM, be come over to pod show, and we'll make a podcasting star
1:25:23
out if you remember this.
1:25:26
John C Dvorak: I do remember this. Yeah.
1:25:27
Adam Curry: In fact, we had a big argument after this
1:25:29
interview, because you said it was a horrible interview. And
1:25:32
they didn't mention Oh, my God, we had a real argue I was really
1:25:36
John C Dvorak: well, yeah, you got all bent out of shape. When
1:25:38
it was my commentary, you said
1:25:39
Adam Curry: that it was it was a horrible interview. And I did
1:25:42
not mention no agenda once and I was bad. And I will
1:25:45
John C Dvorak: say to me, yes. Not mentioning no agenda is a
1:25:48
horrible interview period.
1:25:49
Adam Curry: Right. But it was the first moment that that you
1:25:52
really hurt me. And then I said some really hurtful things to
1:25:54
you. And it was it was not a great moment for Adam. But also
1:25:58
you were total dick. So and but then after that I am a total
1:26:01
dead. That's just what I realized. That was the moment
1:26:03
I'm like, Oh, okay.
1:26:05
John C Dvorak: No, go on. Okay.
1:26:08
Adam Curry: Kara. Tito's even doing this now. Anyway, so like
1:26:16
a week later, D Snyder calls me. Hey, Adam. Hey, man. Wow. You
1:26:21
know, it's great. By here. John, was Howard and Howard bibble of
1:26:24
the Howard. And Sal does podcasting. Like God I could
1:26:28
tell me about. So I say yeah, man. Do we have this value for
1:26:31
value model? Yeah, but what about the money? Can you pay me
1:26:33
to do a podcast? I'm a great podcaster I can be really good.
1:26:36
When I'm on Howard. I'm killing it. I always kill it. And who is
1:26:39
this? Dee Snider from Twisted Sister. Delete guy, the glam guy
1:26:44
the you know the glamour guy. Yeah, and he's calling me and
1:26:49
he's like, he just he smells money. He's a he's a money
1:26:53
whore. Hey, man. Oh yeah, I'm always on Howard but I'm I kill
1:26:57
what I'm I can do a better job than how I can do great show
1:26:59
better than Howard. Howard Howard. Howard. Howard. I'm
1:27:01
always on Howard. Howard loves me. I'm great that I said no.
1:27:06
You know, just for Howard the money you're not Howard doll.
1:27:10
Come on, come on,
1:27:11
John C Dvorak: Howard. And so it was really if you're not Howard.
1:27:15
That's what I said. Yeah, well, that's what you Yeah, well, it's
1:27:18
like,
1:27:19
Adam Curry: well, it anyway, I was I was like Dee Snider is a
1:27:22
dick is what I thought. That's what I recall from this
1:27:25
conversation, but a dick. So a few weeks ago, when more of the
1:27:30
oh, here comes a euphemism, or not even a euphemism, anti trans
1:27:34
legislation. Meaning Tennessee doesn't want kids to be at drag
1:27:41
shows in public places, you know, minors now it seems like a
1:27:45
normal idea. But that is now anti trans legislation. They
1:27:48
want to get rid of us. They want to wipe us from the earth like
1:27:51
the Jews. They did doing the same thing to us they did to the
1:27:54
gays. This is all over the news. And he comes out and he says,
1:27:59
you know, this is crazy, this anti trans legislation because I
1:28:03
can't even do my show in Tennessee because it can be seen
1:28:07
as a drag show because you know, he dresses up puts on the purple
1:28:11
eyeshadow. Fingernails painted. He's got the high heels on it.
1:28:17
You know, he has one song. It's like watching the freak show is
1:28:21
like Okay, so he's trying to he's trying to jump because this
1:28:24
is what he is. Hey, man. I'm as good as Howard. Hey, man, I'm as
1:28:28
good as all the trends shows. I'll be great at a drag show.
1:28:32
I'm great.
1:28:34
John C Dvorak: God,
1:28:35
Adam Curry: you're so you understand. You're like this
1:28:37
Unknown: guy. No, I
1:28:38
Adam Curry: don't. But you made it clear. But you understand
1:28:42
what he's doing is he's trying. He's trying to set himself up
1:28:45
with a popular with the popular movement. Jumping on the band is
1:28:49
called bandwagon bag bandwagon. Now remember, he has
1:28:53
John C Dvorak: the other the other guy that you mentioned
1:28:55
earlier that had the commentary on Twitter, when he finished it
1:29:00
off by saying it's a fad of this fad thing? And I think that's
1:29:04
correct. I think this is a fad and they will come and go.
1:29:07
Adam Curry: Which is exactly why a D Schneider jumps on the fad.
1:29:11
Like oh, oh is a fad. I can get in on by the way. I've got a
1:29:15
great song for the trans community. We're not gonna take
1:29:19
it. I would like to say one of the best glam rock songs ever no
1:29:24
doubt about it. Great song. was now 40 years of children have
1:29:31
used this as their rebellion song. Nothing wrong with that,
1:29:35
but that's what you got, bro. That's all you got. And now
1:29:38
you're jumping on on the trans band the trans fat bank
1:29:41
bandwagon. But then all the kid all the rock guys are going Hey,
1:29:48
hey, Dee Snider? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not on board
1:29:56
with that. We're gonna Bud Light your ass man. We don't like
1:29:59
this. No. No, you just you could have that song, we'll go we'll
1:30:03
rock out to you. But we don't we're not on board with the
1:30:06
trans stuff. Not the way it's being portrayed. So he then
1:30:11
idiot, he, oh, I've got to adjust everything. Um, what am I
1:30:16
gonna do? So he then tweets something to Paul Stanley. And
1:30:23
this is now the subject of some great controversy. This is local
1:30:27
news from San Francisco.
1:30:29
Unknown: San Francisco pride is distancing itself from twisted
1:30:32
sisters D Snyder, after the singer defended anti trans
1:30:37
tweets made by former kissing or Paul Stanley.
1:30:40
Adam Curry: I love that this report, by the way is going to
1:30:42
be my evergreen, nothing like this effeminate gay guy doing
1:30:46
this report about these two old rock guys, and this is this is
1:30:50
peak trans bullshit.
1:30:52
Unknown: This is a bit confusing, but let me start with
1:30:54
Stanley's tweet, which was sent on Sunday, and in a nutshell, It
1:30:58
criticizes parents who accept their children who are
1:31:01
questioning their gender identities. So here's what
1:31:04
happened with Schneider. Schneider saw this tweet
1:31:08
retweeted it and added this. You know what, there was a time
1:31:12
where I felt pretty too glad my parents didn't jump to any rash
1:31:16
conclusions. Well said Paul Stanley.
1:31:19
Adam Curry: So are you still with me? You still wouldn't know
1:31:22
what's going on here. And this saga
1:31:25
John C Dvorak: was getting funny. So
1:31:27
Adam Curry: show now so now pride San Francisco is mad.
1:31:32
They're mad. And there's a reason for it. It was all secret
1:31:35
we didn't know this was happening behind the scenes. But
1:31:38
Indy Snyder's infinite wisdom and his never ending quest to
1:31:43
jump on the latest fad, whether it's podcasting or pro trans or
1:31:47
anti trans pee now screwed up so bad that the Trans Pride
1:31:54
community is mad.
1:31:56
Unknown: And here's where pride comes into this conversation.
1:31:59
Pride had been set to announce Twisted Sister song we're not
1:32:01
going to take it as the official NFM of pride 2023
1:32:06
Adam Curry: So this is money in the bank for D to have the whole
1:32:10
pride community adopting we're not going to take it this would
1:32:15
blow life into that song. This is another $100,000 A year Easy.
1:32:21
Easy because he wrote it he owns it this is his This is his his
1:32:27
moneymaker shake that moneymaker. But he pissed off
1:32:31
the wrong people.
1:32:33
Unknown: The wrong people.
1:32:34
Joining us now with the latest on this saga is Suzanne for the
1:32:37
executive director of SF pride. Hi, Susan.
1:32:40
Adam Curry: I ready for Suzanne. No.
1:32:45
Unknown: Good morning, Reggie.
1:32:47
So you all disclosure here. You are ready to roll out with the
1:32:51
Snyder interviews with the media. It was under embargo. But
1:32:55
in a few days, you are going to announce this partnership with D
1:32:58
Schneider and with this song. So what was your reaction when you
1:33:03
saw this tweet?
1:33:04
Adam Curry: So I'm just gonna be brutally honest here. Just
1:33:07
because you don't have video. This is this is me. He may have
1:33:10
transitioned fully, but this is a dude. Sharon, Rachel, whatever
1:33:15
his name is, and any of the mannerisms. It's not just it's a
1:33:19
dude. It could be in Twisted Sister. So the whole thing is
1:33:22
just blow my mind now. But the business of it is this really
1:33:26
has screw Dee Snider has screwed himself so badly with this.
1:33:31
Unknown: I was made me sick. I mean, we were just I mean, we
1:33:35
were on the cusp of making this announcement on D. Schneider was
1:33:38
going to appear on the mainstage at SF pride and he was going to
1:33:43
be in the in the parade as a celebrity Grand Marshal. And of
1:33:46
course we cannot. We cannot stand by his statements. We have
1:33:51
to stand up and say that was wrong and we can't be had to end
1:33:54
our association with him.
1:33:56
How did this begin to do Schneider approach you and pride
1:34:01
and offer the song?
1:34:02
Well, we'd been looking for a way to stand up to all this hate
1:34:05
out in the country, the anti trans legislation, the anti
1:34:08
queer legislation
1:34:09
Adam Curry: and anti queer legislation. This is new.
1:34:13
John C Dvorak: What specific anti queer knowledge?
1:34:16
Adam Curry: I don't even know what what it is. We can't even
1:34:18
define what is it? I don't know. I don't know. It's I don't know.
1:34:23
Unknown: Well, we've been looking for a way to stand up to
1:34:26
all this hate out in the country, the anti trans
1:34:28
legislation, the anti queer legislation, and we were looking
1:34:32
for a slogan and our PR team, I said, this is what we need to
1:34:36
say. And they said, Well, why don't we just say we're not
1:34:38
going to take it and that started the process. And we did
1:34:41
reach out to their people. And D was great. He called me and
1:34:45
said, Hey, you can use this song. That's what this song
1:34:48
should stand for. And then of course, he preempted that with
1:34:52
his statements supporting Paul Stanley.
1:34:55
Have you talked to D since this tweet came out?
1:34:58
I did. I had a painful discussion. sitting with him
1:35:00
yesterday and fall. I think he realizes that he was wrong. He
1:35:05
thought he was taking a moderate stance when it when it comes to
1:35:09
self identification for trans people. There's no moderate
1:35:12
stance we need to believe our trans kids when they tell us
1:35:16
about their gender.
1:35:17
Adam Curry: Oh, there it is. We need to believe our trans kids
1:35:21
when they tell us about our gender. Okay, let's hear from
1:35:24
one of the trans kids Katie Lennon. And Katie Lennon tells
1:35:27
her story.
1:35:28
Unknown: It's like many children and teens today I identified
1:35:30
myself as transgender for years. And when I started to feel
1:35:33
confused and ashamed about my developing body, I asked
1:35:36
everyone in my life to call me by a new name, and use male
1:35:39
pronouns to refer to me. So in other words, I went through a
1:35:42
social transition from female to male, everyone in my life
1:35:46
immediately affirmed my new identity either out of full
1:35:48
support for it or just to stay neutral and not cause any
1:35:50
issues. But the constant affirmation both active and
1:35:53
passive, solidified me and my transgender identity, no one
1:35:57
meant to lock me into an identity that would later leave
1:35:59
me broken or shamed and more confused than before. They were
1:36:02
really all just being nice. But the social transition eventually
1:36:06
wasn't enough. And I soon felt I needed to take testosterone. And
1:36:09
when that wasn't enough, I had a double mastectomy. And when that
1:36:12
still wasn't enough, I had a total hysterectomy, including
1:36:14
the removal of my uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes and both
1:36:18
ovaries. There's no point of contentment during a gender
1:36:21
transition. We get fleeting moments of euphoria, but
1:36:24
ultimately one step leads straight into the next. And I
1:36:27
thought that in the end, I could really become a man but all I
1:36:29
became was a mutilated and abused version of my old self.
1:36:33
social transition is a big deal. And we're lying when we say that
1:36:36
any of this is reversible. This is a big decision with lifelong
1:36:39
consequences. And New Hampshire doesn't even require that
1:36:41
parents be involved. If the roles of mother and father don't
1:36:44
include authority over the emotional, social and physical
1:36:47
future of their children, the roles no longer mean anything.
1:36:51
Like me, transgender, identifying youth have a high
1:36:53
risk for depression. The Trevor Project, which is an LGBT
1:36:56
advocacy group, reports that 45% of LGBT teens have seriously
1:37:01
considered attempting suicide in the past year. More than half of
1:37:05
that number is transgender, identifying youth, teachers and
1:37:08
school administrators are mandated reporters, if a child
1:37:11
is suspected to be four times more likely to attempt suicide
1:37:14
than the other students his age, his parents have a right to
1:37:16
know.
1:37:17
Adam Curry: So this is all coming from the schools. We've
1:37:19
discussed this. And there's a slogan that I learned the other
1:37:22
day when the campus when the world, that's what's going on
1:37:25
here. And even even Bill Maher is now seeing this for what it
1:37:30
is what we identified correctly, when we first went down this
1:37:34
road of what is happening with transgender activism and removal
1:37:40
of parents rights, allowing children to be literally
1:37:45
captured. I have just story makers that captured by the
1:37:49
state captured by the law. I'll read a little bit of this, one
1:37:52
of our producers. He's from Colorado, I think you you
1:37:56
probably saw this note as well. I've been below the radar for
1:37:58
past three plus years because I've been living the COVID Trans
1:38:01
Maoist nightmare with my daughter, I don't even know
1:38:04
where to start. And if I did, my note will be too long for you to
1:38:07
even read and you guys know how much I can write. And my efforts
1:38:10
to save my daughter and kids like her. I've been exposed to
1:38:13
human trafficking, illegal drug dealers, mental health
1:38:15
institutions, social services, law enforcement, district
1:38:18
attorneys, politicians, all the way to Governor's School
1:38:21
Administrators, mental health and professionals and doctors
1:38:24
and psychiatrists, I can truly say all these groups with the
1:38:27
exception of law enforcement are in on the CO opting our kids
1:38:30
from their parents. Some are useful idiots for the
1:38:33
politicians and bureaucrats pushing their mouse agenda, but
1:38:36
it's the ones that are aware of what they're doing that are
1:38:38
truly despicable. So I'm gonna go to his quick list here. That
1:38:42
explains the process that happened to his daughter who was
1:38:44
able to save but it's it's a horrible story. I put it on the
1:38:48
show notes. I've taken out everybody's names and these
1:38:50
notes. Here's here's the process that he calls legalizing state
1:38:56
sponsored genital mutilation. One higher radical teachers for
1:38:59
indoctrination, reduce age of Colorado, reduce age of consent
1:39:04
for medical care, like abortions to 15 without parental consent.
1:39:08
allow children to consent for medical care at 12. Without
1:39:11
parent knowledge or consent passed laws requiring state
1:39:15
employees including teachers to use any bizarre pronoun, offer
1:39:19
medical and mental health care in schools without parental
1:39:21
consent. Governor encourages kids to inject mRNA poison in
1:39:25
their bodies without parental consent, require mental health
1:39:29
assessment for kids 12 and older, overriding parental
1:39:32
objections and not informing parents of any care after birth
1:39:36
abortions for kids as young as 12 without parental consent also
1:39:40
come to Colorado and will abort your baby genital mutilation and
1:39:43
puberty blockers for kids without parental consent in
1:39:46
violation of a UN resolution. exposing yourself to a minor is
1:39:49
now just a ticket not passed yet is lowering the age of consent
1:39:53
for sexual contact to 11 including with adults yes Pete
1:39:57
of pedophilia that he goes on and on And on on. And he he
1:40:02
saved his daughter, but it's a harrowing, harrowing story. And
1:40:07
I'm just getting, again, email after email from parents and no
1:40:11
agenda nation who have been exposed to this and are trying
1:40:14
to protect their kids. So what is it on one hand? Yes, it is
1:40:17
exactly what we've discussed. The Bill Maher said, which is
1:40:21
Maoism.
1:40:22
Unknown: Yesterday, I asked chat and GPT Are there any
1:40:25
similarities between today's woke revolution and Chairman
1:40:28
Mao's cultural revolution of the 1960s? And it wrote back how
1:40:32
long do you have? Because, again, in China, we saw how a
1:40:41
revolutionary thought he could do a page one rewrite of humans
1:40:45
now ordered his citizens to throw off the four olds, old
1:40:51
thinking old culture, old customs and old habits. So your
1:40:56
whole life went in the garbage overnight, no biggie. And those
1:41:00
who resisted, were attacked by an army of purifiers called the
1:41:05
Red Guard who went around the country putting dunce caps on
1:41:09
people. Yeah, who didn't take to being a new kind of mortal
1:41:13
being. A lot of pointing and shaming went on. Oh, and about a
1:41:17
million dead. And the only way to survive was to plead insanity
1:41:22
for the crime of being insufficiently radical then
1:41:25
apologize and thank the state and of course submit to re
1:41:28
education or as we call it here in America freshman orientation.
1:41:36
Adam Curry: So even Bill Maher sees what's going on? And yes,
1:41:39
it is. It is to a great degree political as our parent their
1:41:44
points out that the politicians anything, anything to make the
1:41:49
Republicans look the worst. Anything call them Christian.
1:41:56
Was it. Christian radicals? No, not radicals? No, it was not
1:42:04
fascist, Christian fascist. No anti trans legislation. They
1:42:09
hate children, because this is gender affirming care. Well, you
1:42:12
just heard from that young girl what gender affirming care is,
1:42:15
but now we go to Dr. Meg Meeker 's podcast just to you one clip
1:42:20
from from her. And she is talking to Irene Erickson. And
1:42:25
this is, as she asked a question, which I think is a
1:42:28
pretty good one. Why is this really happening in America? As
1:42:33
we know, this is being stopped in other countries,
1:42:36
specifically, the countries where it started, which was the
1:42:39
Netherlands but Sweden, France, the UK? So what is going on? Why
1:42:44
is this happening to this degree in the United States,
1:42:47
Unknown: honestly, and truly, I've been practicing for 30 some
1:42:49
years. And I think maybe in 25 years, I saw one genuine
1:42:57
transgender child, but something happened in the US and there was
1:43:02
an explosion, and we'll talk about that a little bit later.
1:43:06
Why does the US approach it differently than other
1:43:09
countries?
1:43:11
That's a great question. It's a great question.
1:43:14
Adam Curry: And in fact, may actually be the only great
1:43:16
question that
1:43:18
Unknown: is political is my observation. It's not based on
1:43:22
the on the science, in fact that you know that the United Kingdom
1:43:26
had the largest pediatric gender clinic in the world, the
1:43:30
Tavistock clinic, and they commissioned an independent
1:43:35
review of the research evidence about this kind of protocol that
1:43:39
I just described, and what were the effects? And what was the
1:43:44
evidence, how good was the research evidence in terms of
1:43:48
quality, and based on their review, just in the last two
1:43:51
months, they have done a 180 degree, turn around, they've
1:43:57
closed that clinic, and they have said, we do not recommend
1:44:01
this is the National Health Service in Great Britain, we do
1:44:04
not recommend social transition for children and we are not
1:44:08
going to prescribe puberty blockers or cross sex hormones,
1:44:13
or surgery for minors, unless they are part of a study we have
1:44:18
approved that is set up to evaluate the effects. And this
1:44:23
same kind of a cautionary approach is seen in Sweden. Just
1:44:28
to quote you what the Swedish National Board of Health says,
1:44:33
For adolescents the risks of puberty suppressing treatment
1:44:37
and gender affirming hormonal treatments are currently
1:44:40
outweigh the possible benefits based on continued lack of
1:44:44
reliable scientific evidence concerning the efficacy and the
1:44:48
safety of both treatments. So the US is really out of step now
1:44:53
with what's happening internationally. And, you know,
1:44:59
it does beg the question of why.
1:45:01
Adam Curry: So she says it's political. And of course it is.
1:45:04
But it's the schools where this is all starting. And I took a
1:45:08
deep dive because I want to know about the studies because
1:45:10
everywhere I read from the New York Times, via gender affirming
1:45:15
medical care has been proven, proven to be very beneficial. So
1:45:21
I found an article from Psychology Today because it is
1:45:26
the therapist, it's the therapists who are reeling these
1:45:29
children in, if they don't care therapist, and this is it. This
1:45:34
is from the New York Times pointed to from the New York
1:45:37
Times as the evidence for trans youth gender affirming medical
1:45:41
care. Research suggests gender affirming medical care results
1:45:47
in better mental health 16 studies to date have been
1:45:50
examined the examining the impact of gender affirming
1:45:54
medical care for transgender youth, existing evidence
1:45:58
suggests that gender affirming medical care results in
1:46:02
favorable mental health outcomes. All all major medical
1:46:07
organizations oppose legislation that would ban gender affirming
1:46:12
medical care for chant transgender adolescence. John,
1:46:18
every single one of these studies, is from 2020. Every
1:46:23
single one, and all of them with 55 people, 60 people, they're
1:46:30
all from 2020, all during the lockdown, not a single one. Has
1:46:36
any has been studied anything earlier than 2020. This and with
1:46:41
this, they say Oh, well, but you know, that's enough. One will
1:46:47
notice this article says there have not been any randomized
1:46:50
controlled trials. Oh, but it still sounds like it's a valid
1:46:55
trial. There's a general consensus in the field that such
1:46:59
a trial would be unethical given the body of literature we have
1:47:03
so far indicating that those in the control group will be likely
1:47:07
to suffer adverse mental health outcomes compared to those
1:47:11
randomized to the treatment groups. For this reason, it
1:47:15
appears that no institutional review board would approve a
1:47:18
randomized controlled trial at this time, under the principle
1:47:21
of equipoise equipoise to which some bioethicists refer. I don't
1:47:27
know what that all means, but it seems to me like these trials
1:47:30
are bull. In summary, I'd
1:47:34
John C Dvorak: have to look at the trials and who paid for him
1:47:38
to get a real handle on it, I believe.
1:47:43
Adam Curry: Yeah, yes, I did not I did not go that deep. But if
1:47:48
you look at the the synopsis here a lot of them are Dutch
1:47:56
puberty suppression and adolescents with gender identity
1:47:58
disorder as prospect follow up study, Journal of Sexual
1:48:01
Medicine, okay, by on what that is. Young adults, psychological
1:48:07
outcome after puberty, suppression and gender
1:48:09
reassignment, pediatrics, psycho psychological support, puberty
1:48:15
suppression, and psycho psycho social functioning in
1:48:18
adolescence. It's all Journal of Sexual Medicine. So,
1:48:23
John C Dvorak: you know, but all in is the exact same journal.
1:48:25
There's no outside journals.
1:48:27
Adam Curry: There. Here's the Nordic Journal of Psychiatry,
1:48:30
it's all psychological. They're not. That doesn't seem to even
1:48:33
be medical trials. It's all about the psychology. But that's
1:48:40
what the New York Times points to is proof that this stuff
1:48:42
works. And it's great. So I'm very, very skeptical,
1:48:47
particularly because if not, we've there had been people
1:48:50
transitioning having what used to be called a sex change
1:48:53
operation for decades. But no, none of that seems to be very
1:49:00
important. And then we have the media. We have the media, and I
1:49:05
played I got a great deconstruction from one of our
1:49:08
producers. I want to play this Kara Swisher clip again. Because
1:49:12
you know, she's a lesbian. So you know, she's she's an expert
1:49:15
on all things. And of course, she takes us all to the
1:49:18
political realm as well, just to play replay this from the last
1:49:21
show. And the other thing
1:49:22
Unknown: is, did he just I think underestimated. Florida has a
1:49:25
really robust and wonderful gay community. And they drive a lot
1:49:30
of business. There's, I mean, there's whole parts. I've spent
1:49:34
a lot of time in Key West and the gay community is thriving
1:49:37
there and I just can't at some point the demo and democracy
1:49:40
does kick in here.
1:49:42
One would assume but I'm thinking of the why Mar Republic
1:49:45
where it was a huge Berlin gay community and then they killed
1:49:47
them. So you know, I think it could go a lot of terrible ways,
1:49:51
but I would agree this is dumb. This is so
1:49:53
escalated fast.
1:49:57
Haven't you seen cabaret? Haven't you'd seen it? Every
1:50:00
Berlin stories.
1:50:01
Yeah, you're right. People think it couldn't happen here. I can I
1:50:05
agree.
1:50:06
They can come at you. But I do not think that that's where the
1:50:11
country is in a different way from much. We've have obviously
1:50:14
a much more vibrant democracy, a much more diverse democracy than
1:50:17
they hadn't Weimar Republic, and they had all kinds of economic
1:50:20
issues, postwar, fall kinds of differences, but they can come
1:50:23
at you. When I when I told you they were going to come at 12th
1:50:26
graders, you'd said no, they're not as young kids. And I was
1:50:29
like, no, they're not. It's everybody they're trying to do
1:50:32
trying to win what they lost back. And they will do they will
1:50:36
stop at nothing. They never go away. They're like mold these
1:50:39
people.
1:50:39
Adam Curry: So our producer sends me this short note which I
1:50:41
wanted to share because I think he did a much better job than we
1:50:45
did on deconstructing what this woman said. I'm listening to the
1:50:48
podcast just heard the Swisher Galloway clip and the psychology
1:50:51
of it disturbed me. First of all, she mentioned the gay
1:50:54
community in Weimar, Germany was thriving, and then they killed
1:50:57
them. This is incorrect. The Republic had laws against
1:51:01
homosexuality, but they were rarely enforced, hence the
1:51:04
thriving community. It was the Nazis who killed the gays
1:51:08
shortly after their rise to power, not the why Mr. Republic.
1:51:11
So the comparison to Florida is actually very apt. Since the
1:51:15
thriving community there is not in danger from Florida, but from
1:51:18
the people trying to subvert Florida. Moreover, she then went
1:51:22
on to describe her political opponents by saying they never
1:51:25
go away. They're like mold of these people. That is exactly
1:51:29
the way Hitler talked about his victims. In his books and his
1:51:33
speeches, he always referred to them as an infection or
1:51:36
infestation that needed to be cleansed. This woman is deeply
1:51:39
disturbed and should be surrounded by trained
1:51:41
professionals with butterfly nets before her career in art
1:51:44
fails.
1:51:48
A Jhansi Dvorak protege I'm right had
1:51:52
John C Dvorak: blaming me for everything. So yes, yeah, good
1:51:58
points is it's a that's a good analysis. I agree with it.
1:52:05
Adam Curry: Then I have just a few more follow ups here.
1:52:08
Because, you know, as we pointed out, this also really does come
1:52:12
from during the lockdown when kids were on screens, screen
1:52:19
screen screens. And this is where they got subverted. They
1:52:22
got subverted by social media. And they were they were booked.
1:52:27
Do you think the parents were not feeling good in the
1:52:29
lockdown? No, everyone felt very anxious. And then then they
1:52:35
didn't feel good. And teenage girls already have problems with
1:52:38
feeling good about themselves. And they were subverted by it.
1:52:41
Unknown: Yes, I
1:52:41
John C Dvorak: want to ask you a bit while you're out just before
1:52:44
you do this. Because it comes to mind. A rhetorical question. The
1:52:52
commentary about the kids on screens during the lockdown and
1:52:56
not going to school, not going to school, not going to class,
1:52:59
not socializing. But they're being on the screen all the
1:53:01
time. They're on at home homeschooling, they were getting
1:53:04
their lessons. They were getting the teachers were there. They
1:53:08
were telling him to do this and read this and do that and do
1:53:11
this and that. And it turns out that all you hear now is Oh,
1:53:16
because of that the kids are two years behind. So in other words,
1:53:23
this screen time and all the learning from home and all the
1:53:26
rest of it was useless. Then if that's true, which is seems to
1:53:33
be that's what they're complaining about, then why is
1:53:36
working from home so good, boo. It's not. It can't be not if you
1:53:43
base it on what happened during that lockdown.
1:53:46
Adam Curry: We had. This was last summer, one of the one of
1:53:51
the daughters was visiting and she had some of her friends from
1:53:54
New York. They also were in Austin for some reason. And
1:53:58
these, I think, like three guys, probably two of them two or
1:54:01
three, or maybe all three gay, I don't know. But they were like,
1:54:03
you know, lawyers. Like high end like intellectual jobs, and they
1:54:10
came out and they're hanging out in the pool. And they literally
1:54:13
would set their laptops up because they were working from
1:54:16
home. They set up their laptops, and they had all these little
1:54:19
programs that move the mouse to make it look like they were
1:54:21
working. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Isn't that cool? Oh, yeah, it's very
1:54:27
fun, from time to time to go and just even you know, do a little
1:54:30
something open a document just to make sure that look like
1:54:33
because you know, it's all tracked by it. And we got a note
1:54:35
from Alex Jennison. Want to follow up a couple items at the
1:54:38
school I work at in New York, New York State is ot jeep. Off
1:54:43
the Grid. Families of students must pledge to limit smart
1:54:47
devices, time time spent on them, etc. Many of our students
1:54:51
even high school, this is northern Academy. Many of our
1:54:54
students even high schoolers have zero access to social
1:54:57
media. We are even punishing to limit laptops. pushing to limit
1:55:00
locked laptops in the classroom and return to books and paper.
1:55:04
Check us out at North academy.org. In my five years
1:55:07
here we've had in total, one suicide less than five students
1:55:12
medicated for add ADHD, depression, etc. Zero students
1:55:17
on IEP plans. I don't know what that what is IEP. All students
1:55:23
learn together, look it up, it's probably for special ed, I look
1:55:26
it up, I look at it IEP plans, all students learn together. And
1:55:29
we do not discriminate based on diagnosis or perceived
1:55:32
differences. Zero trans in students, zero trans students.
1:55:38
John C Dvorak: If there's not even come up in class ever. As
1:55:40
far as I know, we've had one student who identified as
1:55:42
homosexual, again accepted but not promoted. The individualized
1:55:46
education plan. There you go. Being doctrine developed to
1:55:49
ensure a child who has a disability identified under the
1:55:52
law and is attending an Elementary Secondary of kids for
1:55:55
this for the disabled kids.
1:55:56
Adam Curry: We are a boarding and day school, send your kids
1:55:59
but really any parents who are interested can reach out to me
1:56:02
on Mastodon and it's breakfasty at no agenda social.com br A br
1:56:07
a HPHECY. Let's help save the 850,000 listeners in their
1:56:13
children. I wholeheartedly believe our schools here in New
1:56:16
York can help change some of these trends. So just so you
1:56:18
know, that by the way, it's probably an Epoch Times NTD
1:56:22
related outfit, because they know how bad it can be. This is
1:56:27
so they have almost none of the issues that we hear of that are
1:56:31
rampant without the screens. This is without the screens. So
1:56:36
we have another email from Mason, I heard the show want to
1:56:38
share my experience around children's screens and phones.
1:56:41
My wife and I have a 20 month old son who has kept almost
1:56:44
entirely screen free no children shows no YouTube, no phones, no
1:56:48
iPads. Only screen use would be when we have a sports game on
1:56:51
but he isn't interested in that 20 month old, we've noticed that
1:56:54
he's less interested in our phones and other toddlers we've
1:56:57
seen perhaps because he doesn't know all the fun things a phone
1:57:00
can have. Having said that he is still interested in our phones,
1:57:04
because we're interested because we're interested in our phones,
1:57:07
he is clearly picking up on it. Quick note on low screen kids,
1:57:10
almost everyone who meets our son comments on his ability to
1:57:13
play creatively with simple toys by himself and his engagement
1:57:17
with us and other adults. It's hard not to use screens as a
1:57:20
crutch with kids and it takes purpose. But there are very real
1:57:23
benefits start showing up almost immediately. And you're come
1:57:27
several weeks ago after seeing him more and more interested in
1:57:30
my phone, I switched to a light phone to the light phone.com and
1:57:34
put my iPhone in a drawer. I did this both to unhook myself from
1:57:38
my device as well as to help my son have a normal life abnormal
1:57:42
by today's standards. The results have been immediate for
1:57:45
both of us, I'm less interested in my phone, and he's not
1:57:48
interested at all, the phone has a black and white E Ink screen
1:57:52
very limited functionality. So there's no draw for me or for
1:57:55
the child, I was anxious to switch at first. But after
1:57:58
getting it up and running, I felt immediately freed from it
1:58:01
all I share this because the light phone might be a good tool
1:58:04
for others and get donation both in curbing their own addictions
1:58:07
to these apps and for allowing older kids to have the ability
1:58:10
to communicate without giving them access to anything online.
1:58:15
So I ordered one, I ordered a low light phone and when it
1:58:18
comes in, I'll do a full review. But I think we've talked about
1:58:21
it before and the OTG days. And I'm thinking if you want to save
1:58:25
your child here, here, here's a list of things that I would like
1:58:29
to suggest you give to your kids. I like phone too, because
1:58:32
you can call you can text and it's not you know, punching in
1:58:36
the number five times it has a little actual keyboard. And
1:58:40
there's no no camera. It does have directions, you can listen
1:58:43
to podcasts, and you can use it as a hotspot. And with that give
1:58:48
your kid a laptop. Teach your kid how to put Linux Mint on it
1:58:52
to the kid has an understanding that you control the device does
1:58:55
not control you. Give your kid a high quality standalone camera.
1:58:59
John, would you like to give any? Any suggestions because you
1:59:03
you always use these cameras?
1:59:05
John C Dvorak: Well any camera from Olympus I'd say would be a
1:59:08
good standalone camera little ones. Or if you want to just you
1:59:12
know bite the bullet and buy a Nikon one of the ones using an
1:59:16
AP SC one of the bigger sensors but a Four Thirds sensor is also
1:59:22
good or full frame but those costs too much. So forget that
1:59:26
just
1:59:26
Adam Curry: a little thing you put in your pocket and you have
1:59:27
the
1:59:30
John C Dvorak: million of these and then
1:59:31
Adam Curry: you take it home then you blowed it onto your
1:59:34
laptop with Linux Mint and you can choose stuff and then
1:59:37
John C Dvorak: apparently it takes a better picture generally
1:59:40
speaking than a phone can Yeah, but it's generally
1:59:42
Adam Curry: you can take pictures but you're not doing
1:59:44
selfies, not doing selfies and you can't get on social media.
1:59:50
Then parents I would recommend you look at an unroll or start
1:59:54
nine home server um so you can give your kid you know, some
1:59:57
some stuff that you know they're gonna have their own little chat
1:59:59
room in there. friends that you can monitor. And if you don't
2:00:02
know what that is go to get umbral.com It's all free, then
2:00:07
you should also give your kid a handheld, two meter ham radio.
2:00:11
And both of you take the test, take the test. I mean those,
2:00:15
take the test, take the test, and you should encourage their
2:00:19
friends to do this so they can talk to each other over
2:00:22
distances. Because $35 for these little things, give them a
2:00:26
library card. Get them a dog and an AR 15 and teach them how to
2:00:31
use it
2:00:32
John C Dvorak: in probably a pocket protector.
2:00:35
Unknown: Yeah, okay, it's fine. You're gonna
2:00:37
John C Dvorak: be a ham. You might as well have one
2:00:39
Adam Curry: I would rather my kid be a nerd than then then any
2:00:42
any alternative, any alternative. And then finally,
2:00:46
know that you have power to stop this insanity. And it is
2:00:50
happening. And it's unbelievable. I didn't think it
2:00:53
would. I didn't think it would happen. But the Bud Light
2:00:56
boycott is making a difference. The numbers are in sales are
2:01:02
down 26% There's a poll done. I'm not big on polls. This is a
2:01:08
Rasmussen poll, which is also of course, like a bright wing right
2:01:11
leaning outfit. But the numbers are clear. That Budweiser and
2:01:18
Bud Light is suffering significantly. They cannot bring
2:01:22
themselves to apologize. I mean, I went out was talking to my
2:01:27
John C Dvorak: buddy stop. This is this is an interesting point.
2:01:32
They can't bring themselves to apologize. They're afraid
2:01:37
they're going to offend someone by apologizing. Yep. We didn't
2:01:41
do anything wrong. Well, that's
2:01:43
Adam Curry: that's that's the worst
2:01:44
Unknown: part.
2:01:47
Adam Curry: They're, you know, they're they're saying well, you
2:01:49
know, it was just one single can that remember we've talked about
2:01:52
this it's the it's the distributors the local
2:01:55
distributors own the business. And these people are mad.
2:01:59
Because they the bars are saying no, no, I'm not on one Bud
2:02:03
Light. We're boycotting them. Tommy, who helped me we lost a
2:02:07
tree during that big storm. He's he comes over with his with his
2:02:12
chainsaw and he's gonna go out and talk with Tom. He's from
2:02:14
Waco. Originally. The N and they Oh, no, I'm not. I'm not
2:02:18
drinking Bud Light. says you know what else I'm not doing?
2:02:20
I'm not I'm not buying Nike shoes anymore. And Tommy is 63
2:02:25
Amy has his helper Ryan he's 28 and Ryan's out nope, nope, nope.
2:02:30
Nope. Not doing it.
2:02:31
John C Dvorak: Were they Bud Light drinkers before
2:02:33
Adam Curry: they were but what they were they would drink
2:02:35
Budweiser I don't know if they drank Bud Light but they're
2:02:37
boycotting all Budweiser products and all I know is
2:02:40
Anheuser Busch products in general and they know it they
2:02:43
know exactly what beers are under the InBev brand and the
2:02:47
nope know what screw those guys and they're taking and they're
2:02:51
taking a stand and it's working is working and this and what's
2:02:56
happening is now the marketing community they are freaking out
2:03:01
because influencers that was the business oh yeah influencers wow
2:03:08
they're all over Tik Tok. They're all over Instagram
2:03:11
they're Oh, he has his how we get our word out but all and
2:03:13
that's why they gave this stupid Dylan Mulvaney Yeah, his own can
2:03:18
he could tout that
2:03:21
Unknown: you blow your nose.
2:03:24
Adam Curry: And, and now all of these marketing departments can
2:03:28
be like holy crap, because you know the VP of Marketing at bud
2:03:30
got fired. She's on leave now she got fired, then it was not
2:03:35
it was not even the Denon Mulvaney thing so much. It was
2:03:38
the well, it's a tired old arrogance. ratty brand. Yeah,
2:03:41
the
2:03:42
John C Dvorak: arrogance, the arrogance of it, then marketing
2:03:45
arrogance is the worst, the
2:03:46
Adam Curry: incredible arrogance of it all. And so keep it up
2:03:51
boycott. This is this is the American power. And I don't know
2:03:55
if Anheuser Busch can recover. Because this is this is
2:03:59
sticking. This is sticking and Coors and other brands that are
2:04:03
non InBev are mysteriously going up. It's really going up now. So
2:04:09
with all this, of course, you know, what do you do about all
2:04:12
what I mean? It's social media is the problem. screen phones
2:04:16
are the problem. There's there's an article Gen Z years are
2:04:19
snapping up flip phones, Wall Street Journal. You know, I
2:04:23
don't know, you know, we've seen these trends before, but some of
2:04:27
the kids are like, I'm sick of this stuff. So, you know, it
2:04:32
also is too expensive. The dumb phones, the light phone 299
2:04:36
Seems like a good deal. I'll do a review of that. But you know,
2:04:41
what I think ultimately, parents need to take responsibility,
2:04:44
just as this email said, they're the ones who are hooked on their
2:04:48
phones. You've got to get off your phone, you've got to get a
2:04:50
light phone. You've got to change your ways because your
2:04:52
kids are seeing it. And you need to be aware of what they're
2:04:57
doing. Be aware of the social media network. So that's why
2:05:00
don't give them a phone for it. Let them do it at home on the
2:05:03
laptops, you can look along. You look over their shoulder. Kids
2:05:07
are always gonna do weird stuff they don't know about but you
2:05:09
have to be more involved. You can't just say, No, I don't
2:05:12
understand what you're doing scrolling on about tick tock,
2:05:15
you morons. And of course, I read our legislators. They have
2:05:21
all these dumb ideas, which will now be arguing about forever
2:05:26
Unknown: a showdown over social media for kids. As the US
2:05:29
Federal Trade Commission accuses Mehta parent company of Facebook
2:05:33
and Instagram of misusing the personal data of its youngest
2:05:36
users.
2:05:38
Facebook has repeatedly violated its privacy promises, the
2:05:41
company's recklessness has put young users at risk, and
2:05:45
Facebook needs to answer for its failures.
2:05:48
In 2019, Facebook agreed to pay a $5 billion civil penalty over
2:05:53
data privacy practices in the wake of the Cambridge analytical
2:05:56
scandal. The FTC though says the company has not lived up to its
2:05:59
commitments in that settlement, alleging that children under 13
2:06:03
are still able to chat with parentally unapproved contacts,
2:06:06
and that the company is still passing private data to unused
2:06:10
third party apps. It's proposed sanctions include a total ban on
2:06:14
meta monetizing the data of under eight teams a pause on the
2:06:18
launch of new products pending compliance review and limits on
2:06:21
the use of facial recognition technology. Meanwhile, a
2:06:25
bipartisan group of US Senators is calling for a total ban on
2:06:29
social media for kids 12 And under
2:06:31
the technology industry is going to find all sorts of innovative
2:06:34
ways to try to squash this bill because you know, this is their
2:06:38
this is their profit center our kids and promoting really
2:06:43
dangerous content often to our kids,
2:06:46
medicines. The FTC is latest move is a political stunt
2:06:49
accusing the regulator of overstepping its authority the
2:06:52
company has 30 days to formally respond
2:06:56
Adam Curry: and the reason why none of this works now this will
2:06:58
happen and why why social networks and social media is
2:07:01
always going to be around is because the lib Jo's love it.
2:07:05
The liberal journalists love all journalist probably but the lib
2:07:09
Jo's of the worst though we live and we're not Ill screw Ilan,
2:07:13
we're going to mess it down. And then there were a mastodon like,
2:07:17
well, we don't we kneel. It's not exactly the way we like it.
2:07:21
And we can't find people and we can't count all of our our views
2:07:25
and our likes. And here we go to the rescue. Jack Dorsey releases
2:07:29
blue sky Have you been following blue sky?
2:07:32
John C Dvorak: I've only heard about it. So by God, a blue sky
2:07:36
Adam Curry: invites. Thank you very much one of our producers
2:07:38
gave that to me. And I'll just give you the technical
2:07:42
background because this is not discussed blue sky, the idea of
2:07:44
blue skies it kind of works like Mastodon, where you have your
2:07:49
identity or like nostril as well. You have your identity and
2:07:53
that is yours. And you can use this day to check into different
2:07:56
neighborhoods or different servers, but you can be
2:07:59
federated across the entire platform. So not a single
2:08:04
reporters reporting on what it actually is. But what they did
2:08:07
is all Oh, this is great. This is like Twitter without Elon has
2:08:12
got an invite. Invite. Invite the 11 Invite. Oh, Jake Tapper
2:08:16
is on there. Oh, yeah. AOC is on that. Oh, yes. This is great.
2:08:20
Oh, it's an outlet everybody show her boobs. Okay, everybody
2:08:23
show your butt. Okay, the trans movement is here. And all the
2:08:28
lib Jo's love it you know why? Because you can quote tweet.
2:08:34
There all the whole platform is one lib Joe.
2:08:40
Unknown: smorgasbord. And so they're they're
2:08:45
Adam Curry: abandoning Mastodon as quick as they can. Trying to
2:08:50
build they're creating their own language. Yes, they're not
2:08:53
tweets. They're Skeets but they're not tweets. They're
2:08:58
Skeets you know, blue sky ski.
2:09:00
John C Dvorak: They're actually Daxing calling him skeet. Yes,
2:09:03
yes, I
2:09:04
Unknown: know. I know.
2:09:05
John C Dvorak: Holy moly.
2:09:08
Adam Curry: So I can just I can I have to I have to give you one
2:09:12
of my code. You must you have to witness it. This is better than
2:09:16
the secret Mastodon server we have. It is they are so insane.
2:09:24
And so they're all going to flock to this. This is the new
2:09:27
Oh, this is the new thing. It's much better than the land
2:09:30
Twitter. Jake Tapper. Skeets the AI has such a weird take on my
2:09:36
face. I mean, everyone is just gushing over how great this is.
2:09:48
And this is the new Twitter. So they're gonna
2:09:50
John C Dvorak: say we'll look into it
2:09:52
Adam Curry: now and I'll give you a give you my give me a
2:09:54
bytecode I only have one more. I'll give you my input and
2:09:56
that's in your it's a big hole. How many invite code up Well you
2:10:00
need moderation oh yeah now there's they're talking about
2:10:02
how they need to moderate so keep keep children away from
2:10:08
from journalists, I would say there's another good keep them
2:10:12
away from journalists keep them away from news in general. You
2:10:15
know what listen to the no agenda show and that'll be good
2:10:17
for him. And you know what? You know what you should teach your
2:10:19
children value for value.
2:10:23
John C Dvorak: Yeah, have them donate.
2:10:28
Adam Curry: With I'd like to thank you for your courage to
2:10:30
say in the morning to you the man who put the sea in chat GPT
2:10:33
ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend on the other end,
2:10:35
Mr. John
2:10:40
John C Dvorak: Mr. Adam curry also in the morning, little
2:10:42
ships at sea boots on the ground, feet near subs in the
2:10:45
water all the names. Let's measure them right away
2:10:47
Adam Curry: before they run away. We're late today, we only
2:10:54
have one segment. For reasons which will be obvious, although
2:10:57
we have some longer notes 1914 today. I know that doesn't seem
2:11:02
like a lot. People are abandoning us John
2:11:05
John C Dvorak: gets about 100 higher than usual.
2:11:07
Adam Curry: Oh, really?
2:11:11
John C Dvorak: But yeah, this is not Sunday.
2:11:13
Adam Curry: Oh, it's Thursday. Yeah, of course. I say well,
2:11:14
well, those are the trolls are in the troll room. And you
2:11:17
couldn't find them a troll room.io. Or if you have one of
2:11:20
those brand new podcast apps, you dump on the legacy stuff,
2:11:24
the ones where you know that your favorite podcast just might
2:11:26
go away because someone decided they didn't like it. And they
2:11:29
removed it from Spotify or Apple
2:11:32
John C Dvorak: even you know, even the guys on Spotify are all
2:11:35
saying that everybody says this app does wherever you get your
2:11:39
podcast from. Which was not to interrupt a segment. But I do
2:11:46
have a What's wrong with podcasting bit?
2:11:49
Unknown: Oh, well, let's look well,
2:11:50
Adam Curry: hold on. Let me finish this and I'm gonna play
2:11:52
the clip because that's what the donation segment is for. It's
2:11:55
for interviews with guests. And for for clips.
2:12:00
John C Dvorak: Clips, like this one. Okay, so finish what you
2:12:03
were doing.
2:12:05
Unknown: Yes, era? Yes,
2:12:09
Adam Curry: yes. Yeah, you throw me off my game. When you do that
2:12:11
stuff. Go to podcast apps.com. Grab yourself a modern podcast
2:12:16
app. Now there are a couple that have this troll room feature in
2:12:19
it. It's pod verse, curio caster, podcast addict, podcast
2:12:23
guru with more coming. And you'll be alerted just like, you
2:12:28
know, just like a bad signal and you can pop right in all your
2:12:30
podcasts will be there, including the no agenda Show
2:12:33
podcast, but also the live podcast and more and more
2:12:35
podcasts are doing this. This is the cool thing. You want to be a
2:12:38
part of that for sure. Now, you can also follow us at no agenda
2:12:42
social.com I kicked that guy off iron Iron Hide whatever his name
2:12:50
was. Yeah, guy. Yeah. And now he keeps trying to come in. Evans.
2:12:56
He's pleased to be he's like he's posting all kinds of
2:12:59
horrible things about us.
2:13:02
Unknown: Like what? Like we're
2:13:03
Adam Curry: well we're homophobic. You know, we were
2:13:07
boring. We're old. We're stupid. You know that kind of stuff.
2:13:13
John C Dvorak: Oh gosh, I'm I don't know what to do.
2:13:17
Adam Curry: Well, but he insults people all the time. And the
2:13:21
thing that he overt he look, I don't like kicking people off.
2:13:24
Normally just ignore them or block them but I tried to calm
2:13:27
him down in a private conversation. Then he started
2:13:29
posting all
2:13:30
John C Dvorak: right, you get rid of him. He's no Giza. No
2:13:32
good, Nick.
2:13:33
Adam Curry: Exactly. No good, Nick. Exactly. By the way, big
2:13:37
shout out to nick the rat. He had what we call a great get
2:13:41
yesterday. A great get, which is a great guest. Did you hear the
2:13:45
guest he had? Yeah, my wife. Yes. Mimi Dvorak. Did you get
2:13:50
your book? Not only do we get the book, we love our book, too
2:13:54
many eggs too many eggs.com. And we will be discussing it. I'm
2:13:57
carrying the keeper. Because there's no good there's been an
2:14:00
egg controversy in the family for a long time. And we and we
2:14:03
have as it solves by the book. Yes, it is all by the book. I
2:14:06
don't know if I'm happy with it. But yeah, it's off the books.
2:14:09
John C Dvorak: So what didn't go your way? to controvert
2:14:13
controversial.
2:14:15
Adam Curry: It's big. It's a big ass book. What does that thing
2:14:17
cost? If you buy the book? I know you can download the PDF
2:14:19
for free
2:14:20
John C Dvorak: because $48 I think is that's a that's a good
2:14:24
value. Yeah, it's actually we're under pricing. It's kind of like
2:14:27
we're also giving away a free PDF. Yeah. And so I mean, we're
2:14:31
in it to to lose money. So people should take advantage
2:14:34
sounds like a podcast. I like your eggs.com and get a free PDF
2:14:39
copy of
2:14:39
Adam Curry: quality of this book. And the hardcover is like
2:14:42
a Tashan book.
2:14:43
John C Dvorak: You know what I mean? Like more than you don't
2:14:45
want to touch him book is No, I don't know what No, no dough is
2:14:48
a term.
2:14:48
Adam Curry: Tasha is a publisher and they do these beautiful
2:14:50
coffee table books big size with a hardcover. I know it's a it's
2:14:57
not like it doesn't look like a self published book. See crap is
2:15:00
nice. And then it looks it looks beautiful rose. Yeah, it looks
2:15:05
beautiful.
2:15:06
John C Dvorak: We know how to do this this work.
2:15:07
Adam Curry: Look, if you want to interrupt me, I'm trying to hype
2:15:10
the book up. No,
2:15:10
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. Keep going. What am I doing? I'm an
2:15:13
idiot.
2:15:14
Adam Curry: And I also would like everyone to, to pray for
2:15:18
our clip custodian son, Seamus, who had to go in for emergency
2:15:22
chemo. It's really shitty. So we want prayers for for Seamus,
2:15:28
please.
2:15:28
Unknown: Thank you all very much. Good note. Yes.
2:15:31
John C Dvorak: All right. Oh, he too many A's dot com. Just check
2:15:35
it out and get a free copy.
2:15:36
Adam Curry: Great book. It's a great book. Well, there you go.
2:15:38
There's our business model. Yeah, we just need to make
2:15:39
products.
2:15:41
John C Dvorak: This product is high quality. Things take care
2:15:44
of themselves. Yes, exactly. And listening to one of the podcasts
2:15:48
that are just, which is loaded is one of the spin off podcasts
2:15:52
and it's loaded with with ads for other podcasts. Oh, what
2:15:59
podcast is this? And so this is an ad for Alec Baldwin's
2:16:04
podcast. And I want you to listen to you think this. This
2:16:08
is a guy that's not geared to be a podcaster he can barely read
2:16:12
the simple copy. It just doesn't make any sense. You know, he's
2:16:16
they've tried to put him on TV to be an interviewer and he
2:16:20
thinks he's a really good interviewer. But but just listen
2:16:23
to this.
2:16:24
Unknown: Hey, it's Alec Baldwin, this past season on my podcast.
2:16:28
Here's the thing. I spoke with more actors, musicians,
2:16:33
policymakers, and so many other fascinating people, like actress
2:16:37
and director, Cheryl Hines. They were looking for an unknown
2:16:41
actress to play Larry, David's wife. I said, Well, how old is
2:16:46
that guy? Isn't he? Listen to the new season of here's the
2:16:54
thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you
2:16:59
get your podcasts.
2:17:03
John C Dvorak: This guy's a professional entertainer.
2:17:06
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's he's an NPR like, guy. That's what he
2:17:10
thinks a podcast should be. No. I mean, he's like, I have to
2:17:13
talk like this. I'm Alex Baldwin.
2:17:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you probably right. Not probably. I
2:17:19
just thought that was the worst promotion for a podcast ever.
2:17:23
Adam Curry: Definitely not great. I wouldn't want to be
2:17:25
promoted. Did you hear that? He got off.
2:17:28
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he got off in the officer. They defend him.
2:17:31
Not liable. Yes.
2:17:33
Adam Curry: Thank you. Hey, oh. So we got the follow Adam and
2:17:38
origin social.com Jhansi. Dvorak at no agenda social.com. And as
2:17:41
part of our value for value model, where all we ask you for
2:17:44
is to think deep inside your heart. What kind of value did
2:17:48
you get from this podcast? Can you give something back? Would
2:17:51
you like to return the value? There's a number of things you
2:17:54
can do time talent, treasure, we have people doing amazing work
2:17:58
for us and, and boots on the ground reports is really being
2:18:03
part of the large no agenda community. We also love. The
2:18:08
treasure part is very important. But we have artists who make art
2:18:12
for us. So we can always have a fresh piece of art for every
2:18:16
single show. And it is very beneficial. Very few shows do
2:18:21
this. And people like it. It gets people interested. They see
2:18:25
it on social media or they see it anywhere you get your
2:18:29
podcast. And like what what is this when you click on this and
2:18:32
then other reminded that's no agenda because those guys have a
2:18:34
new piece of art every single time. So we want to thank the
2:18:38
artists for episode 1551. That was our Palindrome show Big Mike
2:18:43
and the rock and the art was from capitalist agenda. Now we
2:18:48
had a hard time selecting a piece of art. This was it was a
2:18:53
great piece. We both liked the piece. In general it was a tank
2:18:59
in a pineapple, which was ITM on it which it really didn't make
2:19:03
any sense unless you heard the show which is what