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Adam Curry: Released the orb
Adam curry Jhansi Devora June
1 2023 award winning combination
media assassination episode 1560
This is no agenda with the sky
is the limit and broadcasting
live from the heart of the Texas
hill country here in number six
in the morning everybody. I'm
Adam curry
John C Dvorak: playing from
Northern Silicon Valley where
cherries are in season. I'm John
C Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's
interesting. I just read that
the peaches are already here.
And inseason go eat some peaches
and you know there's not that
many peaches anymore.
Unfortunately. They and you
know, they decided 15 years ago
today for they the powers that
be Gillespie county they decided
now No, we'll just have we're
gonna do wine no more peaches
get rid of that feature orchards
wine
John C Dvorak: you guys get
enough wine down there half of
his sucks
Adam Curry: well that's excuse
me to half of it half of it
comes from California that's why
it sucks.
John C Dvorak: Everybody have
more than enough sucky wine even
the peaches be it was
Adam Curry: 15 years ago when
they decided that that's what
this wasn't wine country 1520
years ago the only this is
recent. That's that's so I'm
actually on your side but you
didn't have to get all up in my
grill about our wind sucking.
You're banned. You're banned
from the region
John C Dvorak: I'm surprised I'm
not banned from the reason
you're banned from the radio.
You're banned.
Adam Curry: So didn't that's
John C Dvorak: terrible. Their
fruit trees are a great product.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What do we
have we put comps and other one
another also less pecans. And
floods. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: Texas.
Adam Curry: It no this area's
specifically, I told you that we
have 290 wineries here. Some
some crazy amount like that.
Huh? I know. I know. A lot of
drunk bridesmaids.
John C Dvorak: Go bet.
Adam Curry: Speaking of I did
the melody by the way,
John C Dvorak: most wine made in
the United States suck. So don't
take it personally. Okay, that's
all right.
Adam Curry: Megyn Kelly show
yesterday? Well, yes, I would
had that go. Welcome. new
listeners. It was good.
John C Dvorak: Both of you.
Adam Curry: You know, she blew
off two ad breaks. That's how
that's how engaged she was in
the conversation. And what what
came out of it? Oh, we just went
through every she started,
right, man. She has spun up.
We're winning. We're winning
with target and but like, whoa,
Meghan, calm down, calm down.
It's you know, we don't all win
that way.
John C Dvorak: It's no winning.
Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: right. It was kind
of interesting. Because right
off the bat, she started with
that, and I gave her kind of the
no agenda wrap. She went? Well,
that's interesting. I don't
agree. And then I think within
what
John C Dvorak: what did she
agree with?
Adam Curry: Oh, well, what I was
saying was, you know, we only
really when if we get rid of the
true problem, which is Big
Pharma, who was doing this to
the kids. And if we get rid of,
you know, the ESG, the the money
that is forcing these companies
into this. And then after 10
minutes, she was kind of
agreeing. So that was it was
interesting. You know, there's
one thing that really bugged me,
and I noticed as well, I think
the last time I did the show was
two years ago, there's the they
use this zoom product, which is
specifically for television
shows, and I guess, obviously,
for this podcast, and they have
a whole system. So if you just
use your regular zoom app on
your computer, and and you call
in and then you're in the green
room, they can bounce you to
some other room and you talk to
the producer, and they put you
in the live on air room. I mean,
so they can they're switching
stuff around from room to room,
which is cool. But the minute
you go alive, you see one box
it's Megan, you know that
whatever the On Air signal is
and it's it's a it's a two shot
most of the time, and the audio
is out of sync with the video.
So the whole as a whole time
you're just you're you're what
and then your your own mouth is
delayed. It's very it's very
difficult I find to concentrate.
John C Dvorak: So that's like
somebody with an IFBB yelling in
your ear for hearing yourself
back two seconds later gets
really stuck
Adam Curry: in it. Yeah,
exactly. Yeah, so that was that
was I was two hours. So I got a
lot of no agenda stuff in there.
Even the value for value that
we're using. Just I think we do
every every time should we
introduce me? No agenda Show
podcast. Good. Yeah. And I told
her at the end you know, you're
gonna get a note from our
lawyers. Okay, maybe maybe I
didn't say but I call I call
About Kara Swisher that was a
great moment for me. You know,
because she was all about, you
know, the lesbians and gays that
out in this community. I said
yes, you're so right Megan. And
let's call out the biggest
perpetrator, Kara Swisher and I
am What was your What was your
reaction to that? She said, You
know, we used to be bugged. We
used to text but not anymore.
And I said No, certainly not
after this. She agreed with me.
She said Young lesbians and gays
have to be against this grooming
stuff.
John C Dvorak: But they don't
they still haven't. It hasn't
dawned on them that their SIS,
and their enemies are trans
Adam Curry: and they're going
they're going to be on the wrong
side of history. Yeah, exactly.
Unknown: Exactly.
Adam Curry: So I think it was
good. I got a lot of positive
responses. So I think that's
good in general. We'll see. So
welcome to review. Welcome to
the show. And we might as well
right away congratulate Ashlynn
speed for her win. In the no no
agenda car.
John C Dvorak: mean it Yeah, the
SCCA she won a regional I think
the
Adam Curry: boss Yes,
championship. Yes, you have
enough shows enough points to
win the Southern Conference
Championship. Yeah, it's so cool
to see our logo. I love that.
You know, it cost sponsors,
millions of dollars to get your
logo on something like that on
the car. This is not, you know,
Formula One or Indy, but still.
So she'll be racing MX five or
USF formula for depending on
opportunities and funding. We're
very proud, very proud of her.
John C Dvorak: Well, she should
get funding because the good
female racers are rare in the
professional arena, and they're
a great marketing opportunity.
It's a super marketing
opportunity. Exactly. Super.
Adam Curry: It's super, super.
Oh, and so. Oh, man, I said I
caught myself on Megyn Kelly and
I said 100%. And I caught you
actually said and I said oh
stop. Oh no, I can't believe I
did. And she's like, what what
happened? What happened? I said
100 He gave me a copy of that. I
said 100% She said What's wrong
with that? says what Kara
Swisher always says that's my
hate. Listen. And then she said
it later said you said 100%.
Just why do I hate that again?
It was bad. It was very bad. A
Tina was in the other room. She
heard me go by retract that she
thought I really screwed
something up to No, it's just I
said 100%. It happens. Anyway,
we have a deal. The sky's the
limit. Sky's the limit.
Everybody. If I understand
correctly, they resolve the debt
deal dilemma by making it open
ended. There's no limit until
2025. So they can essentially
thank spend whatever they want.
That's one interpretation. Well,
that's that's the that's the
common interpretation. I read.
Do you have a different
interpretation?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it depends
on who you talk to. Everybody
came out with their own
interpretation. Yeah. I don't
have a counter interpretation.
But the Republicans had one
interpretation. Various
Republicans had one
interpretation. Various
Democrats had another
interpretation. What is vorak
interpretation? I do have i My
interpretation is I don't know.
I haven't read it. I can't do
you ever? Depends on how
dishonest the President is going
to be? Oh, okay. Well, do you
have any I do have one little
clip this is the house does a
classic. One group of Democrats
would say something like this
and this is a little short 10
second clip of a house floor
Democrat making a commentary on
the budget
Unknown: rather than making the
wealthiest pay their fair share.
Extremely Republicans wanted to
balance the budget on Americans
growling hungry stomach.
Adam Curry: balanced the budget
on the Americans growling
America hungry stomach.
John C Dvorak: Growling hungry
stomach. Wow.
Adam Curry: Well, from what I
read, the debt ceiling has been
rumored to not be raised by any
specific amount. And that is
kind of the opposite of what
they what they were supposed to
do. I think again, logic is they
haven't been able to read this.
I thought they voted on
something.
John C Dvorak: What is it what
they voted on and how you can
read it and interprets?
interpretable that's the
problem. Okay. I did
Adam Curry: that they have this
um, new shield who came out and
talked about the student debt. I
haven't seen this woman before.
He or she is
Unknown: Supreme Court will
opine on the President's action
AXA to forgive 10,000 in student
debt and 20,000 for those who
pay grant. But in this bill,
even though House Republicans
Bill sought to do away with that
we saved it in this bill. So
there's nothing on that in this
bill. We also protected the
income driven repayment rule,
which, if anyone who's had
student loans knows, it was not,
it did not work as intended. And
this rule is intended to really
tie payments to true income this
bill does in the payment, pause,
but very close to the timeframe
we were going to end it as an
administration when it comes to
repayment.
Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure
what she said there because it
confused me at the end, but like
the up talk, it sounds like
you're all gonna have to pay
back your loans is what it
sounds like to me. Which is a
campaign promise broken?
John C Dvorak: Was a sucker's
promise.
Adam Curry: Yeah, everyone,
anyone
John C Dvorak: who believed any
of this nonsense is good had a
screw loose. They were they were
suckered and they're gonna get
suckered again, you watch? Yep.
Is gonna read promise it.
Adam Curry: Now you said on I
don't know if it's the last show
that the 87,000 IRS agents was
off the books that was not going
to happen.
John C Dvorak: That was one of
the things that McCarthy claims
and it's true.
Adam Curry: It will not be
87,000 new IRS agency it will be
85,260.
John C Dvorak: Well, at least
they knocked it back. It did
Adam Curry: not. You know, you
can't even I don't know what
these IRS agents are going to
do. If you want accountant or if
you want people who understand
accounting, and taxation and
taxes. You can't find more than
8500. If that in the country in
the world, maybe even the world.
accounting firms have been
desperate, desperate for people
who can do this. It's not even
there. So I don't know what
you're going to hire. This is
good union paying jobs, I guess.
Nice this visit odd, odd, odd,
John C Dvorak: odd, and they
gotta fix our coal butts Balt
computers.
Adam Curry: Oh my god, I got an
email from one of our producers
gave me an update on because I
always say your airline system
still runs on cobalt. Here's the
skinny airlines systems are some
of the earliest systems written
with COBOL. They pioneered
online systems at a time when
batch programming was the norm
on mainframes. The airline
systems use COBOL now for
accounting only. Reservations
weight and balance seating and
ticketing were written in IBM
assembly language with the
exception of fair quote, which
is generally written in PL one
which is similar to Pascal.
Eastern Airlines license it's
fair quote system in PL one to
most of the airlines is still
out there. Code was widely
licensed between the airlines,
the operating system is T P F,
stop me if you've heard of any
of this transaction processing
facility have originally called
ACP airline control program.
Well, I've heard a PL one but
this I haven't heard Yeah. Which
is an interrupt based OS it does
does not time slice but shifts
tasks in the kernel based on IO
and CPU interrupts I'm so I'm so
excited. Now to read this. I'm
getting moist. No faster OS has
ever come along. They can turn
around transactions faster. Each
mainframe iteration just gets
faster with so much assembly
language code in the codebase.
Yeah, I believe that. And then
here's the kicker in 1990,
airlines start outsourcing code
to India with disastrous
results. Surprise, surprise, go
figure C++ libraries have been
introduced into the TPF
operating system by Ibn and
newer code is being written in C
Plus Plus, it never supported
COBOL at all. I worked for 15
years in the fields as our our
producer, most of it for the
airlines.
John C Dvorak: Doesn't mean you
can't keep saying that.
Adam Curry: Oh, well, of course.
But I just want to make sure we
have the right information out
there. Okay, speaking of money,
and economies Erawan won the
runoff election day in Turkey.
And everyone's all excited
because of course, he's going to
fix everything. Right?
Unknown: Yeah, who's that wants
to bring you back in there?
Because Bastian says something
interesting, this idea that
voters or those who voted for
Urdu might have an appetite for
change. Will that be strong
enough to why he changes to
trigger any changes within
what you mean by change? I think
a lot of focus in the coming
days and weeks and months will
be about solely about the
economy. You know, this is the
first time just speaking about
economy. This is the first time
since 2002. Turkish currency
reserves are on minus just one
side of the how to how bad
things are. And also the
inflation is skyrocket. Since
according to an official expert
views 120 is 130% inflation and
there's no money and from
tomorrow on our Diwan, I think
we'll try to, you know, explore
where we can get money from for
the Turkey Turkish economy and
that will be the issue. So
change in terms of what his
supporters would expect. I'm not
sure what what, what one means
by that. I think fatalistic as
main bulk of the supporters are,
they would basically expect the
leader to bring back Turkey to
the good old good old days of
the maybe 10 years ago, when the
per capita income was about
$12,000. Now it's $6,000. And
purchase power will be brought
back but it's a steep uphill
battle.
Adam Curry: Yeah, the screen
those guys, they give that guy
the hook. It's all France 24.
And our, our local report was
much better. She wrote it, it
was it was literally like 18
seconds. Yeah, here we go. ABC
are
Unknown: the one regime will
continue. Turkey's longtime
president has won his run off
against a center left
challenger, or the one picked up
52% of the vote. Leaders of
Hungary and Qatar were the first
to congratulate him. President
Biden tweeted he looks forward
to working with our Diwan as
NATO allies. Yeah, sure.
John C Dvorak: Well, I can't see
him helping the country any
further with his no his
policies.
Adam Curry: Now? What are they
going to do? I really don't see
any, any anything working for
them. Says doesn't matter,
though. It's
John C Dvorak: a good question.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So so everything
seems to be I mean, if you want
to talk about Russia and
Ukraine, things seem to be
heating up as it appears that I
think we kind of have our new
offensive. It's just all this
drone warfare now. And not not
like Good. Here. Let me see.
This is NBC.
Unknown: In Ukraine officials.
They're accusing Russia of
unleashing the biggest drone
attack against caves since the
war began. Just hours before the
city's annual celebration of its
founding. Molly Hunter has more
on the ground there. Mali a
dangerous night, but
also it shows how much the war
has changed. Yeah, Kate, that's
right. Look in the capital city,
the air defenses are working,
but it can still be overnight
that airway to alert lasts.
John C Dvorak: Way too many. You
gotta go back in.
Adam Curry: That was good.
That's true. That's right.
That's right. Look, hey,
Unknown: Molly Hunter has more
on the ground there. Mali a
dangerous night, but also it
shows how much the war has
changed.
Yeah, Kate. That's right. Look
in the capital. Oh, man.
Adam Curry: I use this for
everything. That's right. Look.
That's right. Look, that's
right. looks right. Look, it's a
new thing. That's right. Look,
everybody.
Unknown: Yeah, Kate. That's
right. Look in the capital city
the air defenses are working but
it can still be dangerous. Now
overnight, that airway alert
lasted for about five hours,
much longer than normal. But
Ukrainian officials are saying
that the Air Force almost every
single
Adam Curry: listen to that
effect they throw in there in
the background beautiful head
drop
Unknown: more than 50 fired at
once at Kyiv and across the
country. Now when interceptions
happen and we actually hear
those explosions, fragments or
debris fall to the ground now
here in cube officials say at
least one person was killed. One
person was injured and several
fires broke out around the city.
Now the Ukrainian military says
Russia is ramping up those
aerial attacks to identify and
exhaust air defenses. They also
say they are targeting military
assets and critical
infrastructure. But Kate
civilians are still paying the
price.
John C Dvorak: They're paying
nothing close to the firebombing
of Dresden. Well, here
Unknown: we go. Tonight in
Moscow President Putin vowing to
retaliate for what he said was
the Ukrainian drone attack. The
attack Putin said on TV was
aimed at scaring Russian
citizens and hitting residential
buildings in video verified by
NBC News, a drone seen flying
low over the Capitol. The
Russian Ministry of Defense says
they shot down eight drones. NBC
News cannot independently verify
that information. The ministry
says two people were injured and
several buildings damaged and
Moscow is pointing the finger
directly at Keith. But tonight
an adviser to President Solinsky
tells NBC News. Ukraine is not
directly involved in the attacks
in Moscow here in the Russian
areas apartment has been
unrelenting. At least one person
has been killed several injured
just in the last 24 hours. Early
this morning. The Ukrainian Air
Force says it shut down nearly
30 Russian drums.
Bala joins us now Molly
from your reporting. It feels
like we're at a new inflection
point with this war
and you're seeing it on the
streets of Kyiv
Yeah, Tom That's exactly right.
It feels really different here.
The last few days have been
terrifying and we have seen
residents of cube by the time As
the 1000s seek shelter in the
subways. Those are scenes we
haven't seen in months.
Adam Curry: I don't even think
she's there. I don't believe
she's there. I don't believe
she's there. She
John C Dvorak: just this whole
reporting I got I got a clip of
this. I think it was from NPR,
Ukraine, another 300 million go
into them.
Adam Curry: Yeah, they snuck
that in, didn't they?
Unknown: The US has committed
more than $37.6 billion in
security assistance to Ukraine
since Russia's invasion in
February 2020. To
John C Dvorak: play do play the
Ukraine suppose a grand total
clip which was the kicker.
Second,
Adam Curry: oh, I'm sorry. I
didn't mean that. My mistake.
Here we go
Unknown: in in a city east of
the annex territory of Crimea, a
drone crash said a Russian oil
refinery on fire, but it was
immediately put out inside
Ukraine's border, the Russian
controlled region Luhansk was
also shelled, resulting in five
deaths and 19 wounded. This all
occurred just one day after a
drone struck Moscow for which
Russia blamed Ukraine. Kyiv, on
the other hand, denies the
accusation, but said that it's
good to watch. drone attacks
deep inside Russia have
intensified in recent weeks,
with strikes on Moscow oil
pipelines, and even the Kremlin
ahead of an expected Ukrainian
counter offense. Washington on
Wednesday said that the US
doesn't support Ukraine
attacking within Russia's
border, but promised to provide
more weapons to Ukraine.
In response, the United States
is going to continue to support
Ukraine help give them things
that they need to better defend
themselves as part of all that
effort. We've got an upcoming
package here, which will be the
39th drawdown of equipment from
the Department of Defense
inventories using presidential
drawdown authorities.
The military package is valued
at $300 million. And it includes
artillery, anti armor
capabilities and ammunition. And
then I'll play your kicker I'm
sorry, the US has committed more
than $37.6 billion in security
assistance to Ukraine since
Russia's invasion in February
2022.
Adam Curry: I thought it was
more than that.
John C Dvorak: I thought
everyone's this number is
floating around. They just keep
saying they usually round it up
to 38 billion. Yeah, I thought
it was in the 40s.
Adam Curry: I thought Yeah, I
thought it was higher too.
John C Dvorak: So is the number
for some reason that gone to
this number. Maybe because the
Summary Calculation or you know,
they keep finding money. They've
re who knows, still a lot of
money considering that woman
sits on the House floor talking
about starving babies.
Adam Curry: In Denmark four
weeks ago, the finance minister
was asked by journalists, if it
would be a good idea to do a
complete review of the Treasury,
verifying whether the state of
affairs or indeed as they say,
so needed to cancel this
holiday, which is their store
beta doc, the great prayer day,
which has been cancelled since
it was onsens 1686. But they
cancelled it. And somehow, let
me say there was no need to
since the house is in order. And
what that meant was surprise. A
week ago, they found 16 billion
kronor, $2.3 billion, somewhere
in their books, which of course
they're going to use to send to
Ukraine. How about that?
Denmark?
John C Dvorak: So wait a minute,
so I didn't did this? I did not
know. So Denmark, canceled one
of their holidays. It goes back
to the 1600s. You can send money
to Ukraine. Basically. That's
what
Adam Curry: that's that's kind
of how it comes across. Yeah, I
don't know if the 3 billion is
equal to what they spent on that
holiday. But the calendar had to
be canceled no matter what to
get their books in order. And
then they had to point in like
$2.3 billion to send to Ukraine.
That is
John C Dvorak: a holiday cost
money. Shouldn't it be something
that saves money? You don't have
to pay the government workers
that day or I guess they get
paid. But some for the most
part, things get come to a
standstill don't cost anything.
Adam Curry: They're Danish man.
I don't know the happiest
country on earth. I don't know.
John C Dvorak: I think that's
been bumped. By the way I think
the Finns are now if you've ever
been to Finland, you have to
roll your eyes thinking about
that one.
Adam Curry: Update from our
boots on the ground, the New
Jersey National Guard deployment
to Ukraine, which we've been
following. So this is National
Guard this like, wait a minute,
remember, we've been following
this? Yes, yes. Well, here's the
update. The timetable kept
getting moved around, but they
were finally deployed last week.
They hadn't even left the US
when the plane suffered engine
failure and one engine were
forced to land. Thankfully, they
were able to make it to an
airbase in New Hampshire and
ended up stranded there for two
days while repairs were
undertaken. Last I heard they
were able to complete the trip
successfully. We're just not
sure how long the deployment is
going to be. As two weeks up to
a year is now being thrown
around. They're still being told
our New Jersey National Guard is
still being told that following
this rotation, they're headed to
Mexico next not to the border,
but to fight the cartels. This
is new things.
John C Dvorak: What are we doing
sending troops to Ukraine,
Adam Curry: especially National
Guard troops national Hello
national national.
John C Dvorak: That's question
number one do that needs
answering. And question number
two is I thought the Mexicans
already said no to this idea
that we're sending our troops,
our national guards to Mexico to
fight crime. Well, this has been
that that was vetoed by by
Obrador. This is this is
Adam Curry: boots on the ground,
the stuff that we hear directly
from the mouths of babes. I
thought this was an interesting
report from France 24 In
Ukraine, gives us a little bit
of an idea about the drones that
Russia is using. It's apparently
Unknown: the third attack in 24
hours because it started
slightly earlier last night,
than the previous night, the
night from Sunday to Monday,
around 20 showerheads drones,
these Iranian made drones is
what the Ukrainians are saying
were used, I could certainly
hear them. That's actually the
first time that I personally
have heard the sound of these
drones, which they're always
described as flying mopeds by
the Ukrainians and in a way long
been wondering what exactly that
sounds like. Now, I know. Well,
we could mainly here was the
sound of the explosions of the
Ukrainian air defense systems
shooting these drones down. They
did shoot most if not all of
them down. We're waiting for
confirmation. But this time,
there was rather more damage
than usual,
Adam Curry: flying mopeds. What
kind of warfare is this?
John C Dvorak: You know, I think
the V one bomber had more
effectiveness in these things
like quad copters. Dynamite
stick, moped
Adam Curry: really, and but it's
interesting, because Zelinsky
came out and said something,
which I think is highly
inflammatory, and kind of makes
sense from his war mongering
perspective.
Unknown: But it's the drones
that the Ukrainians are focusing
on because it's increasingly to
the drones that the Russians
have been focusing. President
Solinsky made an appeal to the
Iranians last week when he said,
What is the benefit to Iran of
such cynical killing by Russian
hands, but with your weapons,
your showerheads mean, only that
the people of Iran are being
driven deeper into the dark side
of history to which the Iranians
said that Zelensky was putting
on a political show, and that
His claims were empty. He
responded to that by putting
this bill to the governor,
rather, the Ukrainian
Parliament, which was passed,
which imposes sanctions for the
next 50 years on Iran. So that
will involve no transit, for you
Iranian goods through Iran, or
through or through Ukraine, or
through its airspace, sanctions
on trade, tech, finance, the ban
on Ukrainian investment on it on
Iran, and the balance transfer
of military and dual purpose
goods.
Adam Curry: So what he's saying
is, hey, you may not be doing
it, but you're using Iranian or
your your technology, your the
Russians are using your tech,
not your moped technology, this
high end stuff. So conversely,
Russia could say, well, you
know, America, since they're
using your stuff, you know what
I mean?
John C Dvorak: I'm surprised
they haven't done that already.
Yeah, by the way, so you can go
to Iranian drones on Google and
and hit images. And you can see
the variety is actually a
variety of drones. You can't
tell which ones they're actually
using. But these all look like
they're derived remember back
this is about 10 years ago. It
was during the Iraqi war during
something the the Iranians had
captured in American predator
one of these drones, can you
remember this? And they were
showing it off and we're
demanding it back and they had
the thing was intact, and it was
on a landing strip. Yeah, so
they've taken the Iranians This
is a decade or more ago, has
stolen one of our drones some
time back, and are now making
kind of crude copies of it. And
that's the drones they're using
and they said for the all the
surveillance gear, they just
load them up with some with some
explosives and send them on
their way.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I do. But I
thought that was a big drone
though.
John C Dvorak: It was it was a
big giant predator. But I think
they've downsized it because the
ones that they run is these are
bigger than you think that going
looking at the Google page of
images. A lot of them are fairly
big but they're not the size of
the predator at things huge.
These are the ones that launch
off a little thing often get no
they have a truck there's a
picture in the photos. Yeah, I
see is a truck that holds about
five or six of them and then
they shoot them off. The future
of war
Adam Curry: I think we should
bring back. Bring back our game
show.
John C Dvorak: Win, lose your
drone, lose or
Adam Curry: win, lose or draw
and we'll do it today or will it
be something bigger? Who knows
less we got contestants now on
our game show win lose or drone.
Drone. God, I feel good doing
that. That's about all they got
going for him. I got Sam
Bennett, he's from the center of
for naval analyses on the
defense and aerospace podcast.
And he says, you know, all this
stuff we're sending over there,
it's no good, it's not going to
work F 16. Is that not useful
Unknown: to the F 16. I don't
think they're going to make a
substantial difference. They're
not going to tip the balance of
power, the war. I mean, come on,
you know, Russian air defenses
are relatively intact, the US
doesn't send F 16 in the air to
air or ground attack missions
without a whole suite of
surveillance, electronic
warfare, you know, command and
control networks to make sure
that they can ingress and egress
and perform their mission
without getting shot down. I
also think there's been a
perennial Western bias to
thinking that oh, this one
little piece of technology is a
silver bullet that will solve
the war. And it's it's not so I
get the symbolism with
Epstein's. It's important symbol
for Ukraine and another
threshold that's being crossed
in the form of aid that's being
provided in that country. But
it's going to take a while, you
know, it's going to take a while
and I don't see these these
platforms as having a decisive
impact on the war.
Adam Curry: There you go.
According today in one of three
the reason why we send National
Guard troops is you don't need
congressional approval for that.
That makes sense. I mean, not
really, but I guess legally, it
makes sense somehow.
John C Dvorak: That's good,
screwed ever setting New Jersey
National Guard troops? Yeah.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: CNN report as things
are starting to ratchet up.
Unknown: We're also hearing
interestingly, from Belarusian
President Lukashenko, who is now
offering nuclear weapons, to any
nation's who wants to join who
wants to support Russia,
Belarus, it's not clear to me
that he actually has any nuclear
weapons to offer here, Sam?
No, he doesn't. But what he does
have and has done is allow or
offer the opportunity for Russia
to put what they're calling
tactical nuclear weapons, in
other words, short range,
relatively low load nuclear
weapons there as part of the
ongoing effort to kind of waived
the threat of nuclear
catastrophe, not just Ukraine,
but the international community
but this is consistent with
Lukashenko is courting, shall we
call it of the Kremlin? That
CNN?
Adam Curry: Yeah, go ahead.
John C Dvorak: I think he meant
low yield.
Adam Curry: I think low load is
funnier though.
Unknown: low load,
Adam Curry: low, low, low, low
load, ma'am. CNN is all in on
the nuke tip though. This report
from Erin Burnett. Burnett out
front. This was a real head
scratcher.
Unknown: Vladimir Putin's top
propagandist is now saying I'd
Adam Curry: love that. So is
there a title in the Kremlin?
Hello, you go are you on now?
Top propagandist. It may be just
That's not news reporting. Erin
Burnett,
Unknown: Vladimir Putin ZZ Top
propagandist is now saying that
nuclear weapons should be used
to destroy Elon Musk's Starlink
satellites, which is the crucial
technology that Ukraine
John C Dvorak: knows that we're
gonna destroy a bomb and
hopefully they
Adam Curry: know it's a two
parter. This is real. So
apparently, I'll give you the
short version here. The Ukraine
is using Elon Musk's Starlink
technology I think it's called
defense link their military
version of it because we know
YouVersion Elon is a defense
contractor. And they use that to
target to target Russian toward
you know, to get the drones on
target. I don't know why you'd
use Starlink for that doesn't
seem like completely appropriate
but maybe the defense Link has
some better stuff but listen how
they do it leave
Unknown: to to use to launch
drone strikes.
Is this the photo? I think it's
time to turn up the heat. We
understand that all drones and
everything else works for
Americans only while Starlink
exists. If we carefully launch
our nukes into space, there will
be no
John C Dvorak: basis the top
propagandists who are listening
to this is the guy Igor Igor A.
Adam Curry: We carefully launch
our nukes into Starling
satellites Hey man, my internet
Unknown: launch On strikes
I think it's time to turn up the
heat. We understand that all
drones and everything else works
for Americans only while
Starlink exists. So if we
carefully launch our nukes into
space, then there will be no
Starlink left. Yeah.
Ukraine's not claiming
responsibility for these attacks
inside Russia. But if Kyiv gets
blamed, that's just fine.
There's more to come. I've and
I've said that it's a one on one
over trade there.
The number of incidents is
constantly increasing, not only
in the border areas, but also in
the depths of Russia. It's
already happening when you
receive the scale of the
exponential.
Here an oil refinery in Russia's
far south is set a flame while
along Ukraine's northern border
with its invader. civilian areas
are hit by shelling apartments
riddled with shrapnel,
commonplace in Ukraine, a new
experience for Russians.
Adam Curry: This is a weird
report. They went from blowing
up Starling to what's happening
in Russia and then it continues
here.
Unknown: Ukraine's new strategy
is taking shape. inside Russia,
bomb them, bomb them.
Drone and artillery attacks have
hit Russian targets in an arc
along its Ukrainian border
provinces of briansk. Kursk
Belgorod, Berganza and Kresna
door and Moscow has not been
spared either on the deck of a
Royal Navy warship. And as the
Ukrainian ally the United
Kingdom gave a green light to
attack Russia. legitimate
military targets beyond its own
border are part of Ukraine's
self defense. And we should
recognize we should recognize
that in response former Russian
way in close
John C Dvorak: that that was
interpreted as giving the go
ahead to attack Russia.
Adam Curry: It sounded like it
played again, military targets
go back a little bit further
Unknown: cranium ally the United
Kingdom geikie The green light
to attack Russia.
Adam Curry: So since when does
the UK get to give anybody a
green light? Are they are they
the boss of every everything now
it's our stuff. It's our New
Jersey Boys. Their legitimate
military targets beyond its own
border are part of Ukraine's
self defense. And we should
recognize we should recognize
that
Unknown: in response former
Russian president and close
Putin ally, Dmitry Medvedev
claimed on Twitter that as the
UK is in an undeclared war
against Russia, any British
official could be considered as
a legitimate military target.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, baby, let's
get some drones over to Brett's
dead London and make him remind
him of the V one rocket. Now,
Busby escalation,
Unknown: even Vladimir Putin
might resist. Aaron, you
mentioned the use of nuclear
weapons against a Starlink
satellites there that would be I
think, technically impossible. I
have to say also, locally,
they're not you Oh, like
John C Dvorak: why would you?
Okay, so the whole report starts
off based on a new even
introduced as such, the idea of
using nukes against Starlink.
And at the very end of the
report, it says is technically
impossible, then why are you
reporting it?
Adam Curry: Well, it sounds
cool. By the way, it's Star
Shield is the military version,
Star Shield, shield Star Shield.
And because this is all this is
propaganda, Erin Burnett is the
top propagandist for the United
States.
Unknown: Tell Aaron, you
mentioned the use of nuclear
weapons against a starling
satellites there that would be I
think, technically impossible. I
have to say also, locally,
they're not used by drone,
certainly not drones that could
strike as deep into Russia, as
Moscow. But this I think, should
be seen what we're seeing in
Russia as a completely new phase
of the Ukrainian strategy. This
could be effectively what we've
all been talking about, which is
the beginning of their counter
offensive. They're launching it
and they're launching it in
Russia.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. This is it
then. So our counter offensive
includes mythical Star Shield.
And this is what we this is what
Victoria Nuland came up with
some hokey drones. Man,
John C Dvorak: SpaceX, loose,
loose making the drones that are
dead or hit in Moscow. We know
that Iranians are making all
these drones. I think I knew
this. I read about who's making
the other drones. Do they have a
stick of dynamite in them or
what how much power do they
have?
Adam Curry: I don't know. SpaceX
designs launches and builds and
launches customized military
satellites based on variant of
the star six Starling satellite
bus with the largest publicly
known customer base In the space
of the Space Development Agency
hmm I wonder what it does this
thing No No wonder we're getting
less bandwidth. He's using it
for the drones that's an outrage
so if this is the long rumored
offensive, which initially was
the spring offensive now it's
just the offensive Yeah.
John C Dvorak: They dropped it
Oh, yeah, let's don't get
carried away the offensive now
Adam Curry: we still have to do
something with the Wagner group.
They're very irritating. They're
they're still hanging out there.
So let's Richard angle are
favored over NBC, spook central
Richard angle. He's going to
tell us what to do with the
Wagner group.
Unknown: The Central African
Republic is a failed state in
the capital, Bungie, they are
victims of Africa's resource
curse. The people are poor,
despite living on land with
vast, untapped wealth. Here,
it's golden diamonds. But
instead of lifting people out of
poverty, the riches flow into
the hands of Russian mercenaries
from the Wagner group.
Adam Curry: So now all of a
sudden, they're Russian
mercenaries. And sometimes
they're a paid military group.
It's like they're all over the
map with this now it's Russian
mercenaries. The Wagner group,
Unknown: Russia's private army,
Adam Curry: right? Oh, private
army. Spies private army. What
do I tuck into the
Unknown: hands of Russian
mercenaries from the Wagner
group. Russia's private army
great edit in Ukraine. Wagner
fights for the Kremlin. It makes
its money. According to two
Western diplomats in Bungie,
Wagner was extracting a half of
billion dollars a year in gold,
rare timber, and blood diamonds.
The Independent Research Group
century provided NBC News with
more than a dozen witness
accounts of violence by Wagner
forces near the indocin a gold
mine and other mine sites.
Adam Curry: I've never heard
what is this group? Have you
ever heard of this group, some
group that gave them the info
here.
Unknown: The Independent
Research Group century, century
century century century number
provided NBC News with more than
a dozen witness accounts of
violence by Wagner forces near
the indocin a goldmine, and
other mind sites. Wagner was
invited into the Central African
Republic by the government to
help crush a rebellion. And it
worked. The Capitol is now far
more secure. There's a statue
honoring Wagner on bunkies main
boulevard.
Adam Curry: I can't find this
John C Dvorak: hot dog guy's got
his statue in the Capitol.
Adam Curry: shouted Why don't
you look up that statute we
played the second part of this
report.
Unknown: The group even provides
the personal security for the
President. Oh, you've said quite
famously that if your house is
on fire, you don't care what
color the water is. So I
understand why you reached out
you you accepted Russian help.
Are you happy with it would be a
visit to see you journalists are
here that you should ask this
question to the Central African
people. They will answer you,
but I am here to make sure that
this population is protected.
The government depends on Wagner
for its survival. Faulkner pays
itself in gold. The people are
left starving. We reached out to
promotion he responded with a
voice note calling our questions
provocative and saying in part
quote, you've received enough
information. If by asking these
questions you intended just to
spit at me, then I suggest you
come closer. And after that, try
to figure out if it's your
throat and my hands or someone
else's
Adam Curry: fighting words.
Okay, so this is this was
erected February 23 2022. I have
a picture a woman lays flowers
at the base of a monument to
Central African soldiers and
Russian armed men in Bangui. So
this the hot dog guy is not a
part of this. They it's Russian,
Russian armed men. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I'm looking at it
now.
Adam Curry: It says no hot dog
guy here. This is bull crap. And
why was
John C Dvorak: Richard Engel
report for a month? And you
think it's bull crap.
Adam Curry: But why why why this
is? I mean, I don't understand
why they're joke is a
John C Dvorak: message. Okay.
Wonderful would be messaging on
behalf of the Central
Intelligence Agency. Yes, of
course. So what are they trying
to tell us? That somebody's
stealing the gold from Central
Africa or
Adam Curry: maybe he's telling
us we need to move down to
Central Africa because they're
killing people down there. Much
more important than a couple of
drones and cube.
John C Dvorak: How about that?
Baby?
Adam Curry: That would be a good
message. We know all the Guns
are going there. Sky News has
their own version of a report
here. This guy's straight up
Monty Python Professor Michael
Clark tell us
Unknown: obviously concerns
about the separation nuclear
power prom. But in the meantime,
there's plenty of other things
going on out there, including an
apparent drone attack inside
Russia again.
Yes, Anna the tempo of events is
increasing all the time. So
overnight, it looks as if there
was a drone attack or Krasnodar
the Russians are saying anything
was a drone, I'm pretty sure it
probably was. It hasn't been
illuminated. The biggest fire
you've ever seen. It's a
refinery for a lot of them. But
it's a huge set of refineries.
But nevertheless, it makes the
point. And interestingly,
Krasnodar is not so far from
Novorossiysk. And that is where
the all the oil exports go from
Russia into the for the Black
Sea, and for ports in the
Mediterranean and further
afield. So it's really important
port, and also never resist, the
Russians have now got most of
the Black Sea Fleet Base there,
because it was too dangerous to
leave them or Sebastopol, which
is on that sort of southwestern
tip of Crimea. So they've moved
most of the fleet to Nova risk.
So this is becoming a very
important port in the heart of
Russia, and even to hit, you
know, few miles away, the
refineries is picking away at
Russia's infrastructure. And
it's making the point of the
Russians at the very least, even
though this is, as I say, it's
not a major fight. It was put
out pretty quickly, but it makes
the Russians back to defend
these facilities for the future.
Adam Curry: I think these guys
are doing it all wrong. Firstly,
sure. Wait, hold
John C Dvorak: on. Firstly,
starts off I distinctly because
I knew was a small fire. Yeah,
he says it's the biggest fire
you've ever seen.
Adam Curry: But then, you know,
you know, this is it's all
John C Dvorak: wag the dog was
totally wagging the dog. At this
point. We're getting no
information, no real
information. We're just getting
various propagandistic reports
that are fed. And then this
this, this switcheroo here,
which is going to have to call
it about the Central African
Republic. Yeah. And so to get
this and angled down there,
that's a message because some
guys are taking some gold out of
a mine because it needs to get
paid.
Adam Curry: I mean, half a
billion dollars, we send that to
Ukraine overnight, with FedEx
for half a billion dollars.
Whoo. That's not a big deal. But
I think the message was, you
know, the dying hungry children
of Central Africa. These guys
are horrible hot dog, man. And I
don't understand because the
solution is so clear. It's if
you want to get rid of Russia,
it's so easy. Just give him Chad
GPT.
Unknown: Tonight, a stark
warning that artificial
intelligence could lead to the
extinction of humanity. It comes
to dozens of industry leaders,
including the CEO of Chad GPT
creator open AI. The experts
sign the statement, which says
mitigating the risk of
extinction from Ai should be a
global priority alongside other
societal scale risks, such as
pandemics and nuclear war. Why
Adam Curry: are we even worried
about Ukraine? We're all going
to die.
John C Dvorak: That was Nora
Yes, that was Nora and she's
saying that she's reporting this
bull crap story about how all
humanity all of it baby,
including the you know
aborigines in Australia are all
gonna die. Yes, the Ukrainians
everybody i How is how is the AI
going to kill anyone to start
with unless they build Robocop
but they have to build and then
the Robocop would have to build
more Robo cops until they're all
out of control, and they would
be killing people for what?
What's the motivation?
Adam Curry: Well, maybe France
24 can help us out because
they're all over this story
Unknown: brief as it is stark.
This one sentence statement
signed by more than 350 tech
experts makes a plea to
policymakers. It says mitigating
the risk of extinction from Ai
should be a global priority
alongside other societal scale
risks, such as pandemics and
nuclear war. Same writer, the
Center for AI safety he points
to several disaster scenarios,
like drug discovery tools being
used to create chemical weapons,
or enfeeblement, where humanity
loses the ability to self govern
and becomes completely dependent
on machine
John C Dvorak: Hold on.
Adam Curry: This is how it's
gonna happen.
John C Dvorak: What date what
she just described is the plot
of wall e the movie
Adam Curry: wall. This is
another great movie I haven't
seen while you've never seen no,
no, no, I've seen wallet. You
mean Wally. Wally, Wally? Yeah,
well, we think we've got a
jingle about Wally, Wally
jingle.
John C Dvorak: But that movies
theme was in feet enfeeblement.
So they brought in in feeble
mint, which is the Wally plot,
which is that you have all these
robots doing all this work. So
you just sit around getting fat
sitting at the pool, drinking
pina coladas Christians are made
by the robots. So that Is NASA
there bringing that so the
threat is the first time I've
heard this, by the way, just cuz
I didn't list that French 24
report, but in feeble Mint is
how they're going to kill us.
Adam Curry: Let's listen again
to that enfeeblement part,
Unknown: the Center for AI
safety points to several
disaster scenarios, like drug
discovery tools being used to
create chemical weapons, or
enfeeblement, where humanity
loses the ability to self govern
and becomes completely dependent
on machines.
Adam Curry: We need to we need
to get the actual report word
states and feeble meant what was
the movie wasn't called
John C Dvorak: a script has it?
Adam Curry: Exactly. Oh, man.
Although I there's more to this
report, but just want to
mention, had a thought yesterday
that there is one area that I
think we will see the brilliant
AI come in, and that is going to
be medical care. They already
have the doctors just as a hump
of human flesh in between the
pharmaceutical company where you
come in to the doctor or your
provider, and you say, Hey, I
don't feel good. And the doctor
goes in well, let me loose down
the list of drugs. Yeah. And he
said, Oh, this one you need this
one and he hands it out. That's
it. So why not just cut out the
middleman cut out the doctor and
and
John C Dvorak: pharma pharma
robots pharma bots, bots.
Unknown: Among the statements
bankers are executives from
Google and Microsoft, the CEO of
chat GPT is open AI. And
Geoffrey Hinton referred to as
one of the godfathers of AI.
That guy
said the existential threat. I
think maybe the US and China and
Europe and Japan can all
cooperate on trying to avoid
that existential threat. But the
question is, how should they do
that? I think stopping
development isn't feasible.
Other industry figures however,
say the fears around human
extinction are overblown, and
many believe the real problem
with AI is its reproduction of
bias learn from racist,
patriarchal or exclusionary
systems. The statement follows a
much longer letter signed by
more than 1000 experts including
Tesla CEO Elon Musk, it called
for a pause in development of
next gen AI warning non human
minds might eventually outsmart
and replace us.
Adam Curry: This is such a psyop
on people. It really it really
is ridiculous. And it's working
by the way. It's working. I
think I have a I think I have
the clip here. Here we go. I
believe that AI could eat us
There you go. That's Glenn Beck.
John C Dvorak: You owe me it'll
Adam Curry: surprise you as an
isolator. But I got to do it
now. But so so just so
disingenuous open AI Oh, we
signed this letter. Meanwhile,
they're releasing chat GP
John C Dvorak: analytic Elissa,
these idiots. Okay, so it's
Adam Curry: open AI. So Sam
Altman, and he is their company.
They we used to be a nonprofit
now their company is releasing
Chad GPT app, Microsoft who also
co signatory. They are adding
mandatory system wide artificial
intelligence, the windows
Copilot to Windows 11.
John C Dvorak: So it's all a
Clippy
Adam Curry: Well, I think this
is worse than that, because it
will be it will be basically
indexing all your stuff,
everything you have on your
computer, sending it back to
wherever and then helping you do
stuff.
John C Dvorak: This is spyware,
the x now their index system
stinks.
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
what they're saying and what
they're doing. Elon Musk co
signatory. His brain implant
firm has gotten approval for
human tests, man,
John C Dvorak: that's okay. But
Adam Curry: But ivermectin
wasn't okay, but it's okay for
Elon to jam a probe in your head
that's fine. That's just fine.
Yeah it was interesting to see
that the I think I still think
this is where it's going the
open AI CEO Sam Altman he also
has this world coin some shit
coin he's he's put together and
he's you know as a wallet and
whatever
John C Dvorak: that the other
Sam Altman is that guy
Adam Curry: was this guy thinks
the same guy. It's the same
John C Dvorak: open AI guys not
the same guy as the freaky guy
that was selling the head FTX
Adam Curry: No, that's that's
bank win free. This is World
coin.
John C Dvorak: why don't my bank
win free is Sam Altman.
Adam Curry: I don't know. They
are kind of the same guy, I
guess.
John C Dvorak: Well once got
clean shaven. That's a boss.
Adam Curry: So he's now released
the orb. for universal ID
release the orb Exactly. The orb
for universal ID clear is
getting in the game with ID here
for clear the airport guys
John C Dvorak: know those guys
struggle to do anything well,
Adam Curry: you know what your,
your fake girly LinkedIn profile
is going to get in trouble
pretty soon. Because thank you
because now you can use clear
identification with LinkedIn
soon it'll just be mandatory. I
can guarantee you that's going
to have
John C Dvorak: you this has been
your guarantee for years. It's
going to happen.
Adam Curry: It's going to
happen. And this is my favorite
AI story. Not we'd had the story
just on the last episode. The
move they fired, the National
Eating Disorder organization
fired everybody because they
wanted to unionize and said oh,
we're not going to need you
anymore. We're going to use a
chat bot. Remember this story?
I'll remind you nearly 70
Unknown: people last year
reached out to a helpline
operated by the National Eating
Disorders Association. Those
numbers had more than doubled
during the COVID emergency and
they still haven't returned to
pre pandemic levels. But now the
association is shutting down
that helpline in favor of a
chatbot Kate wells with Michigan
Radio has more.
The helpline is run by just six
paid staffers a couple of
supervisors and they train and
oversee up to 200 volunteers at
any given time. The staff which
were overwhelmed under supported
burned out there was a ton of
turnover. So the helpline staff
voted to unionize. So cliche but
like we did not have our oxygen
masks on and we were putting on
everyone else's oxygen mask.
Like
becoming unsustainable. Managers
at the National Eating Disorders
Association or NIDA also thought
that this situation was becoming
unsustainable. In March, the
helpline staff formally notified
Anita about their unionization.
Four days later, they were in
what seems like a pretty routine
virtual staff meeting. NPR
obtained audio of the call and
abruptly needed as board chair
Jeff kradic. fired all the
helpline staff. After more than
20 years the helpline was being
shut down. Instead, Pratik said
Anita would be transitioning to
a chatbot named Tessa
Adam Curry: okay, you remember
the story now?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was a
good anti union thing.
Adam Curry: Eating Disorder
helpline takes down chatbot
afterwards advice go Horeb goes
horribly wrong. So they launched
they fire the staff, they
launched the chat bot, Tessa,
amongst other things, stated
that eating disorder, recovery
and intentional weight loss can
coexist and be done safely. God
recommended that you couldn't
you can lose one to two pounds a
week. Just count your calories.
This is horrible for people with
eating disorders. This is the
worst thing you can imagine. I
also think that this is a
counter offensive. I'm not sure
it's all true.
John C Dvorak: I think the whole
thing was it was rigged. You get
rid of all these people that
want to unionize. Yeah, put the
chat bot in temporarily and then
fire the chat bot and start
hiring scabs. Oh,
Adam Curry: perfect. There you
go. Nailed it. Nailed it. Now of
course, it's saying well, this
wasn't really AI. Okay. This was
just a chat bot man and wasn't
really AI. Which brings us to
the genius test done by a
professor and students,
Unknown: CW Howe, who is a Duke
PhD and a professor actually
assigned his students a really
interesting assignment. He said
that he had them all generate an
essay 63 of his students, which
used a prompt that he gave them
for chat GPT their job was to
then grade their essay and look
for so called hallucinated
information and critique its
analysis. Now, what he points
out hallucinate information is
stuff we talked about here
before fake quotes, fake
sources, real sources that are
misunderstood and
mischaracterized. He says that
all 63 essays, every single
assignment, what he found was
that the biggest takeaway is
that their students learn that's
chatty, but he was not reliable,
because all of them included
some sort of hallucinated
information and it shows you
that chatty PT, at least in its
current form, and maybe for all
time, who knows how difficult
this is for for them to solve is
that can easily hallucinate and
create false information.
Adam Curry: I think we need to
point out that the term
hallucinate is made up by the
tech industry to make it seem
less impactful when it's just
old crap. Oh, yes, AI can
hallucinate.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I have no
idea hallucination really should
be only attributable to humans.
Yeah. Well, that's
Adam Curry: why are animals a
robot? That's why they're using
the term to keep you
John C Dvorak: humanize it a
dime. That could there was an
interesting question there that
I never considered, which is
possible that they can't correct
us ever. What do you mean? He
said in there, they don't know
if they can fix the
hallucination problem with the
with these essays that these
things write up? And I'm
wondering whether or not that's
true. Is it possible that it is
one of those things that because
of the nature of the of the
algos that are, can make this
thing work in the first place
that it because it's only doing
putting one word after the
other, that it can't not do
this? And the reason I suggest
that is possible that it can't
not do this. In other words, it
has to make these mistakes
constantly is how hard can it be
to teach these things that
humans have five fingers on each
hand.
Adam Curry: I know, it's very
annoying that it can't do that.
So this brings me to the
Wikipedia entry for AI winter,
which you may recognize some of
these moments in technology
history, and I believe the
hallucination will be the next
AI winter and AI winter,
according to the entry in the
history of artificial
intelligence and AI winter is a
period of reduced funding and
interest in artificial
intelligence research. The term
was coined by analogy of the
idea of a nuclear winter, it all
kind of fits in. Because it's
just as scary as nuclear. The
field has experienced several
hype cycles, followed by
disappointment and criticism,
followed by funding cuts
followed by renewed interest
years or even decades later. So
the overview timeline 1966 the
drastic failure of machine
translation? Does this ring a
bell?
John C Dvorak: Well, yes, and
that was the era when these
things were called the
electronic brains. And that was
a rhotic brains, electronic
brains, and it was considered
that there was the same pipe
about never, that's when those
movies started coming. I think
The Forbin Project came out,
like in the early 70s, early
70s. Yeah, yeah, we had all
these movies where the computer
was taking over and it was going
to kill us all and it was going
to, you know, get together with
other machines and the whole
thing that that was a
distinctive moment in time,
which produced a lot of very
entertaining films.
Adam Curry: So this was the lack
of process progress. 1964 The
National Research Council had
become concerned about the lack
of progress and formed the ALP a
C ELPAC, the automatic language
processing advisory committee to
look into the problem. And they
concluded in a famous 1966
report that machine translation
was more expensive, less
accurate and slower than human
translation. Then we got the
abandonment of connectionism.
Does this ring any bells? No,
that one does not ring a bell
1969 Some of the earliest work
in AI use networks of circuits
or connected units to simulate
intelligent behavior. So kind of
like neural networking. Examples
of this kind of work called
connectionism. Good term, Walter
Pitts, Warren McCullough's first
description of a neural network
for logic Marvin Minsky's work
on snark, S n, AR C.
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
that is. So connectionism that
failed. They were abandoned.
Let's see why were they
abandoned didn't work. It work.
Then we had the light hitting
Minsky had anything to do with
didn't work. By the way. It was
Minsky. He was a professor at
MIT and it was considered one of
the fathers of AI. Kind of
Adam Curry: okay. Then we had
the light Hill report. Sir James
light Hill was asked by UK
Parliament to evaluate the state
of AI research in the UK, now
called the light Hill report,
and he criticized the utter
failure to achieve its grandiose
exempt objectives. The report
led to the complete dismantling
of AI research in the UK.
Completely gone, then DARPA,
DARPA, they came in DARPA was
going to save the day, early
1970. The attitude changed with
after the passage of the
Mansfield a net amendment in
1969, which required DARPA to
fund mission oriented direct
research. And of course, that
went nowhere. Then we had the
cert debacle, as you are the
speech understanding Research
Program, Carnegie Mellon. So
this is all basically still just
trying to understand speech. And
then he and I, I should have
known this one, the collapse of
the lisp machine market lisp.
That was superb. was to be the
language of artificial
intelligence.
John C Dvorak: Lisp was going to
take over the place. It was the
process still, there's still
remnants of Lisp in there.
Adam Curry: Emacs runs on lisp.
And I had no idea Lisp was
actually an early AI type
language. And it failed. And
we're left with Emacs, which
only neckbeards use. Then we had
the fifth generation project
1981 Japanese Ministry of
international trade and industry
$850 million, a lot of money in
81 bucks for the fifth
generation computer. Their
objectives were to write
programs to build machines that
could carry on conversations,
translate languages, interpret
pictures, and reason like human
beings. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Got everybody all
jacked up in Silicon Valley or
was fearful that because the
Japanese you have to remember in
the 80s were running the world.
They were taken over, they
bought the Rockefeller Center
they bought most of Hawaii. They
were buying everything up
because there were there were
that was the where everything
should go. In fact, there was a
book done by James Fallows I
have a copy where him and he's
not the only one Now, that said,
we should all do things the way
the Japanese do them. And the
Japanese are this teams, we they
will get rid of the assembly
line.
Adam Curry: Teams means yes, of
course. I remember teams.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course.
And Toyota was the way to go.
And it went on and on until the
Japanese stock market collapsed.
I think that was an I don't
know, 93 or something. I can't
remember when it collapsed. But
when it collapsed, it never
recovered. And the whole
Japanese ID and this this idea
that everything should be the
way Japanese do it fell into the
toilet. That was the end of it,
but it was triggered by that
stupid computing project. They
made all these they'd been you
know, sort rate saber rattling
about this fifth generation I
was I was called the fourth
generation or whatever a fifth
generation computer that was
going to run everything.
Adam Curry: The fifth generation
project ended not with
successful roar, but with a
whimper. Then the strategic
computing initiative that was
DARPA's response to it the
program was under direction of
the information processing
technology office always with
government. You see, always
we've got what are these guys
doing? Government has to come in
once again. Jack Schwarz. Does
that ring a bell? Yeah, does
kinda, yeah, he ascended to the
leadership of IP to and in 1987,
dismissed expert systems as
clever programming. And he said
he cut funding to AI deeply and
brutally was no good AI.
John C Dvorak: I think he's the
one pulling the plug on
everything went down the tubes
after that, and and, in fact,
and we had a note from someone
that I read up, I don't know,
1015 shows ago, where she she
reminded me that if you were
doing anything in venture
capital in the late 80s, and
through probably most of the
90s, and you put you put a
mention of AI into the proposal,
it would be rejected because aI
had gotten such a bad reputation
in the late 80s. After all this,
this happened. We went through
this all these issues that
failed. They're all failures. In
fact,
Adam Curry: your buddy John
Markoff in the New York Times in
2005, wrote at its low point,
sub computer scientists and
software engineers avoided the
term artificial intelligence
entirely for fear of being
viewed as wild eyed dreamers.
The Economist 2007 investors
were put off by the term voice
recognition command. Remember
all that? Remember the IBM you
got the little box with the with
the headset in it? You'd have to
go, okay, computer. I'm now
typing something to you. Period.
Get
John C Dvorak: that? Remember
the cars that had a bunch of
voices in them and you had to
talk to the car? Oh, what car
was this? There was a bunch of
Japanese cars that were yakking
at you constantly.
Adam Curry: Remember, this guy
was probably Yeah, drive. I
don't know. Jeff been yakking at
you. Oh, man, that's hilarious.
I think we're just in another
one of these cycles.
John C Dvorak: Boris is this
whole we are ever in his cycles,
and it's
Adam Curry: always and you
always have to bring in
Kurtzweil Well, I believe in
Kurtzweil the guy's a genius.
John C Dvorak: Kurtzweil you
know, I've read it run into that
guy. So often. I had him on my
silicone insurance. I ran it.
I've run into him over time. And
he is so on his he's like not
even in the room. It's very
strange person
Adam Curry: when he mean he's
not in the room. He's like Sam
Backman, fried. Have you
John C Dvorak: ever walked up to
somebody who is like talking or
doing or doing something or
looking at something and you
take your hand and put it in
front of their face and go up
and down and up and down and up
and down. And they don't react
to it not
Adam Curry: recently. But I can
imagine what you're talking
about. Yeah, that's
John C Dvorak: done that with
was a while to Kurtzweil. Wow.
Adam Curry: So I think the
problem I have with all of this
is, there's some very simple
things I would like solve, which
I believe AI will be great for
spam would be one. Like, if
Microsoft is putting it into
their stuff. Why not just solve
spam means that it's heuristics,
and there's a lot of training
being done. And then how about
Siri or Alexa or any of these
things? Make them work decently.
But no, none of it?
John C Dvorak: I think you and I
should start this spam AI
company.
Adam Curry: What's that gonna
do?
John C Dvorak: Stop spam.
Adam Curry: But it doesn't work.
John C Dvorak: Well to collect a
lot of money than that. Good
Adam Curry: luck with that. Can
you just imagine us showing up
to some investors? Hey, hey,
buddy. Give us your money. Look
at
John C Dvorak: Oh, we have
frontmen doing it for us. We're
too old, a 20 year olds for
yourself, please. You're going
to don't like give him money
that they
Adam Curry: couldn't even use it
properly on on Facebook or
Twitter to D to remove stuff.
It's all human beings who are
now stressed out and on Zoloft
because of the horrible watch
and they want to unionize.
Exactly. Exactly. By the way
just speaking of that, I looked
up that del Harvey who according
to my my new friend here was the
one who was really running the
show at Twitter. Do you remember
this conversation? Yes, please
John C Dvorak: continue.
Adam Curry: It's a she by the
way del Harvey. And del Harvey
is a very and never discussed.
Very, very strange person. I
found a Forbes article from
2014. Harvey was the 25th
employee at Twitter, where her
official title is vice president
of trust and safety but she's
more like Silicon Valley's chief
sanitation officer dealing with
the dirtiest stuff on Twitter,
spam, harassment, child
exploitation, threats of rape
and murder. And that's not even
del Harvey's real name. Harvey
has an unusual background for
someone with so much power over
public speech. She isn't a
lawyer once they have she's
graduated from college. Del
Harvey is not her legal name.
She's secretive about her past,
but allows that she grew up in
the south where she spent the
summer as a lifeguard at a state
mental institution working with
troubled youth for education
about the dark side of the
Internet came instead from
experience. In 2003. When she
was 21, she started volunteering
for perverted justice, a group
that posed as young kids online
to engage potential pedophiles.
I remember that group when they
caught one they post the chats
along with the identity of the
would be this sounds like a cool
reality show. eventually became
the site's law enforcement
liaison bundling up evidence for
local police this is this is a
spook This is a very very spooky
person.
John C Dvorak: Well you got to
phony name that's a big deal.
You got to know that one person
that came today the costume
expert mentioned the fact that
when you get in the agency you
your name has changed.
Adam Curry: If you really a high
of em clearly MK Ultra working
at the mental institution
completely controlled Yeah, this
is this I want I guess she's
gone right? She would be gone
she would read Oh no, we don't
know it may have a new name new
identity it's interesting
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's that's
an interesting little tidbit. Ya
know you'll never hear this on
any other show. No.
Adam Curry: Probably not. And
with that, how about I thank you
for your currency in the morning
to you the man who put the sea
in? Was that term again?
Connectivism
John C Dvorak: Connectivism
Connectivism
Adam Curry: ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the
other end Mr. John
John C Dvorak: and I would say
from the looks of things we're
going to do one segment is going
to
Adam Curry: be one segment
people you don't have to leave
it'll take very little of your
time believe me very little of
your time. All right. Well,
where are you? Where am I what I
said in the morning to you I did
the whole echo I'm
John C Dvorak: sorry. Good
morning to you and in the
morning the ships of the sea and
and there's substantial water in
the dames in
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John C Dvorak: short answer to
that 100 over
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1559 The title of that one was
of course cobalt honoring the
the old COBOL programming
language Parker Polly brought us
the artwork and it was a
memorial day special no
mattresses for sale. But you
know we always like to do
something a little traditional
on some of these traditional
days and so Parker Polly had all
the elements there it had an
eagle it had some Americana it
had our names I personally it
wasn't my all time favorite
there were a couple other ones
that I like the one that I liked
here you didn't you thought it
was creepy. The capitalist
agenda honor with the eagle
John C Dvorak: check was it oh
no that yeah, I didn't like that
at all. You said looks like a
person not like an eagle which
well the problem No, it didn't
say the whole thing like a
person. The beak? The beak?
Yeah. If you the beak look like
abstaining like some sort of
creepy thing it was creepy I
didn't like it now. I don't even
see it on here whereas
Adam Curry: it's on the left
hand side about well got a lot
of art today about five down I
would say oh there it is. Yeah,
we both kind of like commentary
bloggers but art but it was not
appropriate for Memorial Day it
was it did show up in the
chapters as expertly done by
Dred Scott in those modern
podcast I was a good but
John C Dvorak: picture. Yeah,
it's aI Yes.
Adam Curry: I've given up on it
was aI but yeah, but ai ai but
we know what's going on with AI
but Parker probably had to he
had one with episode number in
there, which we try to avoid. So
we didn't use that one. He took
it out smartly. There a couple
of mattress sale jokes, which is
good. But again, you know, we on
Memorial Day will will scoff and
scorn the mattress promotions.
We're not actually going to use
it as art then at the same time
that would have been wrong. Was
there anything else that we
liked that we needed to discuss?
John C Dvorak: No, I was looking
I'm looking at him now and the
this was clearly the most
appropriate I mean, there were
some other Memorial Day stuff
but like the dame Kenny Ben with
the soldier that pit across
Yeah. We don't want to get to
modeling about it and
Adam Curry: what's the what's
the word you use their modeling,
modeling.
John C Dvorak: Amen. Garry's
Mod. Is that word the word is
from No. Somebody will find that
very funny.
Adam Curry: I understand mod I
know mod. But no mod. Kiss. Kiss
my grits is what Moto is used to
say.
John C Dvorak: No, that's from
this show. The analysts say Oh,
you're
Adam Curry: right. This Atlas
mod Allah says all the same. I'm
not old enough to really
remember. It's Thank you very
much to Parker polyester Parker
poly for bringing us the artwork
for episode 1559 We're on the
1560 and we want to thank a
shortlist of producers but still
very important to us for
supporting us for episode 1560
And we kick it off with Sir
autonomous of Dogpatch and Lois
LeBeau via he comes in once a
month with random numbers with
shorts code somehow we don't
really understand it. I'm sure
this included a $2 bill as
usual, this $2,332
John C Dvorak: was this it did
he has cash of $2 bills. Do you
have the note there, but this is
an oxymoron. This oxymoron in a
palindrome.
Adam Curry: Oxymoron. Oxymoron
idea though.
John C Dvorak: I do have to note
right here. Okay. I have a hard
copy. Okay. Oh, it's hard. From
Serrana missive. Dogpatch. Loris
LeBeau, via thank you for all
the producers for their hard
work to make this show and it's
searchable archives. My go to
source for information,
Adam Curry: I want to say
something, we have a new
producer who's working on a new
search engine, which includes
the artwork, the transcripts,
the clips, all the articles, and
it's powered by AI. And I've
already used a little bit of it,
and it's pretty cool. So it's
going to be it's going to hit
cert on most of Dogpatch and
Loisel beaubier. Right where he
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John C Dvorak: And then he has a
quote, Those who forgot history
are condemned to repeat it.
Ukraine offers an example of
forgotten history. The Powell
Doctrine offered points such as
Do we have genuine broad
international support? And is
there a plausible exit strategy
to avoid endless entanglement?
Adam Curry: That would be
negative. If we're talking about
John C Dvorak: I think both are
negative. Correct to add
violates both I don't think
there's broad international
support is Sunday shows the
people that didn't know buddy,
not one country in the southern
hemisphere, the entire globe is
supporting this war,
Adam Curry: right. In fact,
Africa is all against it.
Several European countries are
against it. Poland's getting
pissed off. Yeah, I agree. Um,
the
John C Dvorak: growing
sentiments by Ukraine's allies
to impose reparations sets the
stage for an ugly future for
countries imposing reparations.
There is ample research on how
sanctions be, which just reminds
me of a there's an essay in
defense one, a newsletter
written by Wesley Clark and a
bunch of other people,
Adam Curry: the West Clark,
seventh guy,
John C Dvorak: and he's going on
and on and on about how we're
not supporting the International
Criminal Courts, persecution or
prosecution, I should say, of
Vladimir Putin. Yeah, and I shot
put it I'll try to get a link to
for the next newsletter. But
because findable, and they're
going on and on about it as if
that they don't know for a fact
that George W. Bush would be
listed as a war criminal and go
Adam Curry: to jail if if we, if
you recognize the court stepped
John C Dvorak: out of the
country, but he's not going to
do that. Did you know that
before George W. Bush became
president, he had never left the
United continental United
States. No, I didn't never
stepped foot out of the country.
In fact, on surprise, you're
boring. I only know this from a
fellow student who was in his
class at Yale, a Yalie.
newspaper called bones. And he
told me he wasn't this guy
wasn't his skeleton bones. And
he says that even when George HW
Bush was the ambassador to
China, George was offered a trip
on the government dime to come
over to China is as one of his
as the son and party, you know,
because to hang out. If you're
the ambassador country, you'd
like Hunter, you're going to
have a lot of fun. And so Nope,
he wouldn't take the trip. Wow.
They're hated leaving the
country. So he's not gonna get
arrested. Okay, let me start
over with this. The growing
sentiment by Ukraine's allies to
impose reparations sets the
stage for an ugly future for
countries imposing reparations.
There's ample research on how
sanctions and reparations
undermine desired results. The
last major post war agreement
that imposed reparations was the
Treaty of Versailles that worked
out which led to Hitler Yeah,
what type of leadership will
arise under a reparations
imposed Russia? And will these
future leaders rebuild with far
more venom? allies of the future
rebuilt Russia? are allies of
the future rebuilt Russia are
already apparent and they should
they could be formidable
opponents? No jingles? No karma?
Adam Curry: Sir Armus Dogpatch
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us something to think about.
Think about it.
John C Dvorak: He's a worldly
guy. He's he's seen he's seen a
lot turned around.
Adam Curry: He knows what's up.
Appreciate that autonomous.
Thank you so much, and it really
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John C Dvorak: let's make to
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healer, no.
Adam Curry: Megan and I
discussed fairies. She brought
up fairies on the show. No,
that's interesting. She and she
was like these furries you know,
the I think the the thing was
some furries had gotten mad that
Ron DeSantis said, you know,
kids can't go to it can't be
exposed to any kind of sexual
stuff in public if they're
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it's not appropriate for
children. But the furries are
nice people there's nothing
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cheap. She was like you She kind
of got a view of furries having
sex with each other. I don't
know what was what she was
thinking. But I defended the
furries to a degree
John C Dvorak: but you're a good
man for the furries no we have a
furry guy here I'm pro is gonna
be I got it I noticed a note on
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to hear that we're seeing it it
was hilarious to hear that
during the graduation at
Evergreen. There were furries in
the graduation line. I think
there was
Adam Curry: never ever been
doesn't surprise me Of course,
John C Dvorak: and I had an I do
I do believe No, I do have
photos of the some of the Furies
and I'm gonna post them on no
agenda social a couple of them.
Ah, do I have to promise I had
to figure out what the date was
or these photos are 2009 Is that
graduation?
Adam Curry: Graduation because
everything's changed now man.
John C Dvorak: There's probably
more for Reese
Adam Curry: you got annoyed with
you got it.
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haven't heard from him for a
while that I recall. He comes in
with $200 with a note that says
I need some passport karma for
my daughter Grace. She applied
for her renewal in march back
then when the process I just
said then the processing time
gave her a month to spare. Now
we're within two weeks of our
trip and nothing. So there's a
warning for everybody out to the
Neisser passport renewed and I
believe that includes me.
Adam Curry: We while we
discussed this a few weeks ago
that this was worldwide remember
this is happening everywhere.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they don't
want people going anywhere.
Nope. When we call the number
that the State Department has on
their website to try and get an
in person appointment you are
within two weeks of your trip.
If you're within two weeks of
your trip we get a recorded
message saying they're too busy
to take the call. We have asked
our Congresswoman to help out as
well. My daughter is quite
nervous. But I told her that if
I request passport karma from
the best pilot podcast in the
universe it says good as done
thanks for everything wow that's
Adam Curry: that's a that's a
tall order sir era email me I'm
going to email you my my lawyer
who had done a lot of work for
this for me on stuff like this.
He's an immigration lawyer but
he may be able to help with this
because that does fall in the
same in the same category. Who
knows it's all it's all about.
You know these days it could be
the passport criminal do the
trick you Well let me give him
the passport karma that
Unknown: you've got karma
Adam Curry: and that's our
executive and Associate
Executive producers. John was
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John C Dvorak: no we got a very
light today I have to say
anonymous starts us off in
Holmes Beach Florida with 150
bucks nice some jobs karma will
give him that at the end. Read a
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John C Dvorak: just catch
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Indian anyway. All right. 100
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Coronavirus you know you're
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town $100 You know where that
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Campbell, good for you. Right, a
brown retailer low in
landisville. Pennsylvania. 808.
Well, I'm gonna have to read a
little bit of this I don't
normally read at this level but
really enjoyed Adam on Glenn
Beck line
Adam Curry: backto nation show
John C Dvorak: I told you Sir C
sharp dotnet in Austin. 808 Sir
Kevin McLaughlin hasn't missed a
beat 808 in locust North
Carolina, wanna treen in New
York City. After a little bit of
this, it's considered a blessing
to donate in multiples of 18 in
Judaism, hence $72
Adam Curry: No. Interesting and
she she says, you know, listen
to James Lindsay and I was
reminded by one of our producer
James Lindsay, I played the
three minute clip with him last
show. Do you know who he is?
He's one of those guys who put
in like all the phony baloney
research papers. Oh, I remember
that. Yeah. You know, with 30 of
them got through No, most of
them got through not even a
third. I thought it was most
Yeah, he's one of those. The
third note of that group.
John C Dvorak: He's one of that
group. Yeah, that was a funny
operation.
Adam Curry: By the way. C sharp
of dotnet. needs jobs Congress
smokin hot wife who got laid off
from her lucrative tech jobs, so
we'll do that as well at the
end.
John C Dvorak: Jim Bharath in
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Indiana. 6502. James Buell in
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switch. Oh
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Adam Curry: shy and Rogen
donation maker Liz for Liz. Yes.
John C Dvorak: Mechanicsville,
Virginia $55 A switcheroo Linda
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me if there's anything we should
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Read this load and dodgy she's a
30 year career in TV news done
local net network 24 hour and
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watching MSN Cold Turkey after
trusted news initiative? That's
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is. Justin. Justin Heiner and
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Paul Helmick wanted to give
karma for his lawyer Tom
Corrigan for winning his case
pro bono.
Unknown: You've got karma.
Adam Curry: See, John, you see
see me on the note and I take
care of it. Sorry that
nevermind?
Unknown: Yeah.
Adam Curry: I got a lot of ISOs
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, go look
Brent's room as soon as a
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Adam Curry: Here we go. We're
watching you rock that is so
sweet. Chris was great.
Unknown: To be in panic. We will
not be in panic.
Adam Curry: By the way I forgot
this one we got some human
resource was abused. You bendy?
Just had to play that. And
here's the one I think that
should win. I believe that AI
could eat us and I think that's
kind of a winner.
John C Dvorak: I kind of liked
the other one better.
Adam Curry: You'd like this one.
This was great. That one? Yeah.
Okay, it was alright,
John C Dvorak: what do you have?
Me? I don't know if I have
anything to top that. But I do
have three. Okay. First of all,
I have aliens.
Adam Curry: Probably not aliens.
Okay.
John C Dvorak: I got Bang. Bang.
Dang owl.
Adam Curry: Was it bang ding
out. Bang. Dang owl. Where's
that from?
John C Dvorak: It's from the
famous. Well, you'll hear the
whole thing. Coming out.
Probably should let that one
out. Yeah. Later. That's that
was one of the pilots on the
plane that crashed in San
Francisco.
Adam Curry: Oh, bang ding our I
remember that. Yes, of course.
Hold. Yes. Yeah. And the last
one is this one. Totally. I
think my wins. Yeah, let me just
check it. This one. This was
great. Yeah, I think that's a
winner. I think that's a winner
for our trans Maoism segment.
John C Dvorak: I have a copy of
a slew of clips for this.
Adam Curry: Oh, good. Well,
first, let's, let's see how this
is being ramped up. Because of
course, there's so much extreme
right wing hatred towards LGBTQ.
That Department of Homeland
Security is issuing warnings
Unknown: of Homeland Security is
warning of a potential troubling
escalation and tactics from
right wing extremists. Catherine
herridge has more on this and
she joins us from Washington,
Catherine, we understand the
power grid could be a target.
Good morning. According to the
intelligence report obtained by
CBS News, these groups have
developed credible and specific
plans to attack the power grid
since at least 2020 as a way to
disrupt the country and the
ability of government to
operate. The report warns
extremists adhering to a range
of ideologies will likely
continue to plot and encourage
physical attacks against power
networks, which include more
than 6400 plants and nearly a
half million miles of high
voltage lines. While the
bulletin emphasized small scale
attacks are unlikely to cause
widespread power loss. It may
cause disruption to critical
infrastructure, like hospitals
and police departments. Homeland
Security noted several
indicators including online
chatter. While the report does
not suggest an imminent threat,
the homeland security secretary
has warned lone wolf actors and
Small bands of extremists are
among the greatest domestic
threat because they are hard to
detect, disrupt up to and can
mobilize quickly.
Adam Curry: Oh crap. This is
this is this is so wrong online
chatter, John online chatter
because you know, they're all
terrorists you know when you
boycott to target by the way
you're a terrorist just let you
know, according to MSNBC
Unknown: when target caves into
this then it says that the
moment you threaten the
employees of even a very large
corporation you get to control
its policies This is economic
terrorism literally terrorism
creating fear among the workers
and forcing the corporations to
sell the things you want not
sell the things you don't
Adam Curry: you see how this is
being turned? Now it's to reject
something that's being sold in a
store by not going there. Now
you are putting the people who
work there in harm's way. And we
got a boots on the ground from a
producer whose wife is a store
manager for Carter's OSH ba
Oshkosh. I'm not sure I'm not
familiar with this story
familiar with Carter's Oshkosh.
Now it's probably regional, was
summoned to an emergency call
this morning. They usually only
have one of these calls if
there's a major personnel shift
in corporate so the rumors were
running wild. The call was
covering the latest target
situation and how the company
was planning to handle it.
Carter does sell into major
retailers like targets and
Kohl's. They also have a line of
children's clothes that are
alphabet people friendly. But
the message is are neutral
things like a rainbow with the
caption Love everybody and have
been selling them for years with
new hit no issues. Today, the
stores were informed that they
are to pull those products and
direct customers who asked for
them to their website for the
safety of the employees. They
also had some window marketing
that would have gone up today
and that has also been
cancelled. From our experience,
quarters has been one of the
better large companies keeping
their politics out of the
workplace during COVID. They
never forced the desk job on
people. They never even asked
what employee status was I'm
hoping that this means the
pendulum is starting to swing
the other way. The CEO referred
to the bud light effect, as well
as the effect of their employees
as the reason for the product
pole. So this is now finally
starting to dawn on companies
that huh, maybe not such a great
idea. This is, of course,
directed from on high. This is
the whole concept of this comes
from the DEI, the ESG and the
now CEI, the corporate equity
index, which kind of forced
these corporations into doing
this kind of stuff. And someone
sent me a clip was very
interesting. Beth Brooke Marcin
Marciac who she was she was she
some big wigs used to be
somewhere and she she isn't this
was in the newsletter. I was
this we were talking about this
is the the PG le
John C Dvorak: what PGL II is
Adam Curry: partnership for
global LGBTQ equality. Oh, no,
this is something else. Okay,
well, here, here, here she is
talking about this is this from
the Sustainable Business Network
Conference, I should tell the
audience about PG le, what does
it do? Why is it important and
we would love to have more
companies join in.
Unknown: But this this story
about Davos and the handful of
us that found each other. So the
PGL, a partnership for global
LGBTI quality. This is a group
that was formed in collaboration
with the World Economic Forum
after five or six years of
working behind the scenes with
senior leaders at just a handful
of companies. This company, this
organization, was founded in
January of 2019. Can you believe
that the World Economic Forum
just agreed to do it this
January. So we have there in
collaboration with them, we can
use their channels of
distribution, their brand,
they're now in the mainstream,
on the main stage in Davos and
into the mainstream of the
programming at the World
Economic Forum is founded by
seven companies. We are signing
on more we want more, we have 14
now but what are we committed to
do? We are committed to change
the world for LGBTI inclusion
around the world, not by
competing with other LGBTI
organizations but by amplifying
and lifting by using the
platform of the World Economic
Forum both in Davos but also
regionally and around the world.
Also working with the UN, trying
to get these companies you have
to have signed on to the UN
standards in order to join the
partnership and how many
companies have signed on to that
and to under 70 Our goal is to
get many many more and and then
to work around the world both
not only in sharing best
practices among the companies,
but their strength in numbers.
So With a platform of the World
Economic Forum, the power of the
UN and then finally the strength
in the companies working
together, where you when you
combine are the the the
economies, the corporate
economies of those 14 countries
were bigger than most a lot of
countries. So tremendous power.
in Davos a couple of years ago,
Vice President Biden met
privately with those of us
working behind the scenes and he
sat down with us and looked us
in the eye and he said, you can
do you companies can do what we
government cannot and will never
do. You have to change the world
on this issue.
Adam Curry: There you go. And
some of these founding members
will not be surprised Accenture,
Boston Consulting Group,
Deloitte, Coca Cola Company,
Edelman, Ernst and Young all the
all the advertisers starting to
figure it out here. Human Rights
Watch Johnson and Johnson
MasterCard, Microsoft, Procter
and Gamble, PepsiCo,
PricewaterhouseCoopers,
Salesforce, Scotiabank, GLAAD
Human Rights Campaign. McKinsey
and Company Novartis, Nestle
WPP. No wonder no wonder it
being thrown dude, just been
thrown at everybody. It's all
it's the whole advertising
community are all in on this.
It's all of this. You got some
links in the show notes to take
a look at in the show notes. So
John C Dvorak: I've picked up a
weird series of clips from NPR.
Oh, now this woman, I don't just
called the trans the other side.
This is the other side of all
these arguments you have about
you know, mutilating kids. Oh,
this the other side. Oh, the
other side. Oh, is the pro side?
Yes. Okay, good. We need is
balanced show we do both sides.
No, sorry. But what was weird
about this, this was I picked
this up on the NPR news feed.
And there was two things. One,
it wasn't introduced by anybody.
It was just this woman shows up
right at the beginning. I don't
know who it is somebody with a
British accent. And she does
this whole segment and I don't
know who it is. She's never
outro. And, and the weirdest
thing to me was, since I record
the whole hour of the NPR feed,
it came in at a notable maybe
I'd say at least eight to 10 DBS
lower than the regular audio ta
because it was very noticeable.
You have the hypes spikes,
normal audio and then there's
this thing shows up as a little
Lego like a thing. It's like
what the hell
Adam Curry: like was pre
produced but produced
improperly.
John C Dvorak: It was pre
produced and never, never potted
up, right. And I have no idea
will do what they were thinking
or what was doing there. I mean,
I just fixed it, of course. But
besides just fixing it, I had to
do interstitial fixes. Because
the volume was going up and down
and up and down. And every which
was a piece of shit. To be
honest.
Adam Curry: You had to do some
real work here. You had to ride
the fader.
John C Dvorak: Right? Yes,
exactly. And so. But I still
don't know where this came from,
or why they ran it, who's who's
behind it or anything else. But
it's, it pretty much presents
the other side of the trans
debate. And here we go. It's
clip one. Across the country,
Unknown: conservatives are
targeting transgender people
with legislation restricting
their medical care. 19 states
across the US have already
passed laws banning at least
some kind of gender affirming
care for transgender minors. In
Texas lawmakers passed a bill
earlier this month that would
prohibit doctors from providing
surgeries and essential
medication for transgender
youth. This type of care is
evidence based and supported by
the majority of doctors. But
Governor Greg Abbott has
promised to sign the legislation
when it comes across his desk.
John C Dvorak: Okay, so this is
Texas. Yeah, a lot of Texas in
here Texas is targeting being
targeted, by the
Adam Curry: way we want to erase
them.
John C Dvorak: And so it's the
way they present this is there's
an interesting little
contradiction with throughout
the report, which is all we've
been hearing Oh, we don't go we
don't operate and, you know, a
sterilize under 18. We thought
that we do now even though
there's tons of documentation
that they do it.
Adam Curry: Hold on What just
literally three doctors left
Dell Children's Hospital over
this bill. Dell Children's
Hospital, they left because they
couldn't do their affirming
care.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's just
saying. So hear it because they
couldn't do it. They couldn't
operate and butcher these kids.
Yeah. To put it mildly. Yes. Did
I use that word? Okay. Yes. But
this is again, read this the
other side of the argument. So
they're making you know,
they're, they're leaving
information out. And it's and
it's just as they have two
children. This entry? Are they
want to trash? You know they
want to transition? They all do.
Adam Curry: Well do we have to
be honest about it that the way
the therapists are operating?
They are indeed telling every
almost every child who has some
typical child social issues or
the anxiety issues, well, you
may be a boy, you may be a girl,
maybe it's time for some
testosterone or some estrogen.
So yeah, that is happening, even
though that is not really gender
dysphoria.
John C Dvorak: So here we go.
Part Two.
Unknown: Under the bill, any
transgender minus already on
gender affirming medication will
be required to be weaned off the
drug when the legislation
becomes law. For more, let's
bring in Teresa Gaffney. She has
been reporting on this for our
partners at stat news, the
health and medicine publication.
Welcome, Theresa. Thank you for
having me. Theresa, what's
happening in Texas comms estates
across the country are targeting
gender affirming care for
transgender youth? How does this
legislation from Texas Oh,
Adam Curry: this is a script,
John, this is a total script and
into that picture, and
Unknown: are they using
John C Dvorak: it again, I
mentioned something else. At
first when I saw the levels
being so low, and then I jacked
him up as best I could, without,
you know, distorting the feed. I
realized that part of this whole
thing and all the people that
are involved that woman who is
the host, whoever she is, and
then this guest, they're talking
beyond normal NPR style. So you
have to strain to listen, which
is we know is a an effective
mechanism to get people to
remember things better, because
you're so that this is done on
purpose. So can you Sorry,
Adam Curry: I'm just saying stat
news delivers trusted and
authoritative journalism, about
health medicine and life
sciences. This seems like one of
those outfits that you can order
a report from?
John C Dvorak: You know what I
mean? I'm sure it is. Yeah.
Okay.
Unknown: Bill is one that's
similar to many other health
care bills, targeting trans
youth, prohibiting, as you
mentioned, medication for
minors. So it's targeting gender
affirming hormones and puberty
blockers and the language is
mostly similar to the other
bills across the country. They
all specifically target people
who are trying to use these
medications because of their
gender identity. This language
of weaning people off the
medication is slightly
different. But a handful of
other states include similar
similar stipulations to
systemically reduce gender
affirming care, in the same way.
So let's talk about the specific
medications that are targeted in
this bill. Tell me what those
medications do
what puberty blockers do as they
stop the process of puberty from
happening. So for people who
don't want their voice to lower
or to grow certain hair, have
their their breasts grow, these
will stop those changes. It's
you can stop taking the
medication at any time. And
those processes will start up
again.
Adam Curry: Wow, patently false
lie. Stat news is owned by John
Henry, who was also the owner of
The Boston Globe in the Boston
Red Sox. Quick note, my decision
to create a new publication
about health medicine and life
sciences began to shape during a
dinner I attended in Boston
during the summer of 2014. About
a year after I'd purchased the
Boston Globe, two dozen of us
had been invited by Eric
Schmidt, the executive chairman
of Google to discuss why Boston
which had once an opportunity to
claim the mantle as a nation's
tech hub had been eclipsed by
Silicon Valley there's a bunch
of elitist douchebags
John C Dvorak: in that last
report, that woman uses an
interesting phrase about getting
about these bills and she says
systemically reduce the use of
the word systemic which stems
from was popularized by BLM with
systemic racism Yeah, I think
was used purposefully because
the worst systemic is one of
those code words that the left
likes
Adam Curry: I'm with you. I'm
with yet you know, right now
good. Just the whole was bugging
me. The reason that this was
different levels and the reason
why it sounds scripted is
because it is this is a report
delivered by stat news. They
might even purchase this airtime
for all we know
John C Dvorak: the way it looks
it's they might and that might
be the reason that P NPR was so
careless about well, you gave it
at this level is where we're
going to send it out.
Adam Curry: Yeah. FM, we're not
going to do any work. It's not
our report. Thank you, Jesse. So
I'm saying that
John C Dvorak: psychic And I bet
somebody in the control room
saying that exactly. Part three,
Unknown: gender affirming
hormones, those are things. So
someone who's a trans man might
want to take testosterone, so
that someone's gender
presentation aligns more with
their gender identity.
Got it. And just to be clear to
the puberty.
Adam Curry: Got it. That's a
journalistic retort.
Unknown: someone's gender
presentation aligns more with
their gender identity.
Got it. And just to be clear, to
the puberty blockers that you're
talking about, there are other
minors who may not be
transgender. Maybe they just hit
puberty very, very early, and
their doctor decides it's a good
idea for them to take it just to
stave it off for a period of
time until they hit a more
appropriate age.
John C Dvorak: So I thought that
doctor by leading the witness,
yeah. Which, which confirms that
it's a script. Yes. Yeah. I just
thought that this was like,
okay, so every kid if you can
remember back into sixth grade,
you know, kids start to mature
at different rates. And some
girls all of a sudden, you know,
the ones that have turned out to
be pretty popular, started, you
know, getting big up top earlier
than others. And now the girls
are jealous because you know,
they're flat run, they make a
fuss about it. And, and but what
they mentioned in there, what
guy what maile doesn't want his
voice deepening,
Adam Curry: to want to have a
squeaky voice, instead of a,
that depends. I mean, if you've
been told that you're really a
girl, then off you go. Let's
park for
Unknown: for a period of time
until they hit a more
appropriate age.
Yes, that's correct. So
cisgender children whose gender
identities align with their sex
assigned at birth? If they start
going through puberty too early,
they'll go on puberty blockers.
And when their doctor and then
decide it's the right time to be
going through puberty, they just
simply stopped taking that
medication. There's just
Adam Curry: a lot we know, this
is not this doesn't work that
way. No,
John C Dvorak: no, it doesn't. I
just it's hard to believe. But
anyway, here we go. Part Five is
wrapping up. This is a longest
clip. The next one is quite
short after that. Okay.
Adam Curry: Let's talk about the
language in the quotes. You
said, Okay.
Unknown: Okay. Let's talk about
the language in the bill to wean
transplant to use the
medication, I'm going to quote
you in a manner that is safe and
medically appropriate. And that
minimizes the risk of
complications. But you spoke to
a number of doctors about this
idea of weaning trans people off
medication that they need, what
did they tell you?
So I spoke to physicians and
researchers, experts, and they
all said the exact same thing,
which is that there's no
appropriate way to do this
because it's medically necessary
treatment, it is never medically
appropriate to take away gender
affirming care that someone does
not want to stop.
So it sounds like maybe what's
happening in the Texas
Legislature is not based in
science.
That's right. So one physician,
her name is Meredith McNamara at
Yale, she told me, these people
have no idea what they're
legislating. This is not based
on science, there's not research
on how to wean trans kids off of
gender affirming care, because
it's most of the time, not
something that they want to do.
It's not appropriate to take
away care that someone wants and
so there's no science. Yeah,
based on this legislation.
Okay. And yeah, you have a
number of doctors, in your
article attesting to that, but
you do talk in your article
about this other grave
consequences for trans youth and
that's their mental health,
they're, like, more likely to
consider suicide than their
peers already, but what are
doctors saying about the impact
a law like this might have, you
know, on the general mental
health Yeah,
Adam Curry: let me guess. Let me
get this is also debunked. Let
me guess. Well, you know, you we
you wean them off, and they're
gonna commit suicide, I'm just
guessing act a
Unknown: law like this might
have, you know, on their general
mental health.
Yeah. So there are no, as you
kind of mentioned, there are no
known like physical
complications from stopping
gender affirming medication all
at once. The most serious
consequence is for trans kids
mental health, and that is going
to occur, no matter how slowly
people stop taking the
medication. But there is a lot
of data showing that delayed
access to this care negatively
impacts people's mental health.
So yeah, LGBTQ people, and
especially trans youth consider
suicide at much higher rates
than their cisgender peers. And
so experts are worried that
there's going to be a surge of
mental health crises when people
stop having access to this
medication. Wow.
Adam Curry: Wow, this script is
unbelievable. Shame on NPR for
even calling this the other side
or did you call it the you know,
John C Dvorak: I'm doing it
wasn't the other side. But this
is just a part. As I said, it
just shows up in the feed.
Adam Curry: No, this is
purchased. This has slipped in
there. This is a favor whatever
it is, it's from a bunch of
animal just native ad from
ghouls. And it's unscientific,
it's unscientific.
John C Dvorak: So now the last
thing is a 16 second clip, and
this is the outro This is she's
just signing off and telling
that one goodbye. And then she
slips in a little tidbit at the
end is drive home what you just
brought up, and I've never heard
this on a report like this
before. I'm going to so I
decided to play through the
outro I usually cut the outros.
But this is the outro and here
we go.
Unknown: Teresa Gaffney is a
reporter and Podcast Producer
for step news. Thank you so
much, Teresa. Thank you. And if
you or someone you know may be
considering suicide, or is in
crisis call or text 988 to reach
the suicide and crisis lifeline
Adam Curry: Podcast Producer
from stat. Okay, got it. Decided
over a dinner with Eric Schmidt
from Google. Yeah, that's a
quality dude right there. Well,
I to have something to share
boots on the ground for one of
our very brave parents. We've
established that there is a big
difference to how girls are
approached and coaxed into
transitioning to be a boy which
is 80% of the children who are
who transition versus boys. And
mom, Two episodes ago, we had
one of the what kowski sisters
formerly known as Oh, kowski
brothers, the saying, you know,
I and the what kowski brothers
are just not attractive men.
They're, you know, level Harvey
Weinstein unattractive? And the
thing is, Lisa, is that her
name, his name, whatever. said,
Well, you know, once I saw
transgender women in porn, well,
then all of a sudden I figured,
oh, maybe I could be loved. And
I thought that was a very
telling. Stay statement. And one
of our producers sends me this
note, which I want to share
because we've learned something
new about a particular type of
porn, which seems to be
responsible for young men trend
or wanting to transition to
become women. Over the last two
years, my 23 year old stepson
who I've known since he was two
has become a non functioning
member of society smokes weed
all day loses menial jobs. After
two months, started wearing nail
polish women's earrings and
effeminate shirts hanging out
with trans people. His ability
to reason logically is gone.
Nothing that he says makes
sense. Every time we talk, I
point out the things that do not
make sense to me. I point out
that he is a non serious person
and needs to dress like a normal
human to be successful. Sounds
like some of the Tick Tock clips
you play. It has destroyed our
relationship. My wife wants
everything to just be okay and
let him be him. It has done
damage to our relationship. He
called today. He never calls me.
He thanked me for challenging
him on his bullcrap and told me
that he is in treatment for a
porn addiction. He explained
that he is addicted to something
called sissy Hypno porn, short
for specification hypnotic
pornography. I'm sure you've
never heard of it. I'd never
heard of it. He explains that
this is sweeping the nation and
every male in their 20s knows
about it and uses it. Hello
producers Why am I only hearing
this now? He explained that 99%
of the guys that are
transitioning or dress
effeminate, ly are addicted to
sissy Hypno porn. Wow. He was
about to pick up and move to
Boston where people were there
to help them create an only fans
and navigate making a living
basically as a sex worker. Thank
thankfully something snapped and
realized that this porn has
messed up his life. And then he
has I cannot play any any of
this audio. But luckily our
producer used to be a
Hypnotherapist. He studied
persuasion manipulation, covert
persuasion. This is seriously
effed up crap manipulation using
our most instinctive drives at
the most vulnerable time and
young adults life where the
result is separation of youth
from their existing and future
familiar bonds. This is
purposeful destruction of life
for the purpose of destroying
our culture. And he says this is
what it is it is certification
of men in sexual and porn with
an there's like it's remix now.
With voiceover saying You are
the girl you are the girl you
are the Go girl. And it says it
over and over when a man is
watching straight porn video.
That invert invokes first person
visual and kinesthetic
experience as a woman, which is
then anchored by climax. Next
time you climax. You Think about
being a woman. There's
countdowns, and it's ASMR. He
says this is very as a
hypnotherapist performer
hypnotherapy says this is very
very dangerous and he says it's
all over tick tock tick things
is a very important topic and we
need to be on the lookout for
now there's some links in the
show notes. So, you know,
explore at your own risk when
other tests because
John C Dvorak: you're gonna be
hypnotized. One other thing not
know, as Biden was say, no joke.
No, no, there's
Adam Curry: a category forced
feminization. This has been a
porn category for a long time.
But now they're re mixing this
with these voiceovers. So true
hypnotist, hypnotizing him
digitization. And, you know, I
think it's pretty well known.
And we've discussed this
throughout the years that
today's young men have a very
distorted view of sex because of
porn. And they're very rough
with girls and with young women.
And we've seen this this take
place over quite a number of
years, we've had a lot of
producers talk about it.
John C Dvorak: So we had, we
actually invited people to give
us stories. And we got to the
point where we couldn't read
these stories. One other
Adam Curry: thing, his therapist
has convinced him that we his
parents are his abusers. We
abuse him by not supporting who
he is. So until today, he
claimed that he was unsafe and
felt very threatened in our very
presence, a direct result of his
therapist, of course, he was an
absolute hack. So this is an is
you know, this is great
information for, for our
producers out there. Keep an eye
on your kids, people. Keep an
eye on your kids.
John C Dvorak: This is terrible.
It is. But we have a series of
phony baloney reports on NPR we
have a big money supporting all
this. We have therapists who are
out of control and probably
partly responsible for the whole
situation, we're also then we
have butchers that that are
posing as an are licensed as
doctors.
Adam Curry: And to be fair, but
we know from art therapists who
are brave as well, and that they
have no other option. This is
what they are told to recommend
by the American Association of
the American Association of
psychology I think it is and by
the American Association of
Pediatrics, and if they don't,
if they don't comply, and
there's a complaint Yeah, then
get your license, get your
license pulled your license to
do anything but obey and and
this, the butchers as you call
them. Look they used 510 years
ago, they did boob jobs for
girls and Butl lifts and
whatever. Vaginal VAT, vaginal
plasti I'm sure that's the right
word. Because Oh, it doesn't
look like the porn movies. Poof
thanks, internet.
John C Dvorak: Belemnite blah
blaming the internet for this?
Adam Curry: Ah, so that's
disturbing. And I and I've been
I think I'm pretty hip to stuff.
I'd never heard of this.
John C Dvorak: Now Yeah. So your
hip again.
Adam Curry: God, I'm hip again.
John C Dvorak: I shouldn't run
till I got a report from China's
China's over here. You know,
trying to capture some of their
citizens. They could just walk
waltz into the country, I think
Oh, yeah. Especially pharmacists
gonna take over the place. Yeah,
Adam Curry: you're you're
pivoting away from the hips to
see Hypno porn. I take it.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, definitely.
Unknown: opening arguments are
being heard at the Brooklyn
federal courthouse. Three men
are accused of acting as illegal
agents for China. They're
accused of pressuring a New
Jersey resident to return to
China to face embezzlement and
bribery charges. All three men
pleaded not guilty. The names of
the defendants are Jong so Yang
Joo young
thumb ting Wong, way too low.
And bang dang owl
and Michael McMahon, a former
New York city policeman who was
working as a private
investigator. Prosecutors say
Zhu and others in 2016 hired
McMahon to watch and investigate
shojin, a former Chinese
Communist Party official who has
lived in the United States since
2010. Prosecutors said Jiang in
2018 left a handwritten note on
shoes door which read in
Chinese. If you are willing to
go back to the mainland and
spend 10 years in prison, your
wife and children will be
alright. In opening statements
before a federal jury. McMahon's
lawyers said his client was told
he was working for a Chinese
construction company trying to
recover assets and he alerted
local law enforcement of his
activities. The lawyer said if
he's secretly acting on behalf
of the Chinese government, is he
going to call the cops and tell
them he had no idea? None that
He was working for China.
Adam Curry: Now what do you what
do you think this is about? What
do you think is going on here?
John C Dvorak: The whole country
is infiltrated with these
Chinese spies that are doing
everything they can to keep
anyone that has any familiarity
with the Chinese Communist
Party. Get it? Because they're
shutting dissidents, yeah, just
get get him back to China's
whatever in any way you can. And
they're intimidating people.
It's totally illegal. We're but
we're spending as much time
we're spending. We are starting
to spend time on this. But now
that you bring up these things
about these, these therapists
who are breaking families up and
doing other crazy things, I
think we should be looking at
that too. There's a lot of
activity in this country that is
not being monitored. Well.
Adam Curry: It's interesting you
say that was this? There was
something Yeah, here it is. The
Council on Foreign Relations
released a report on fentanyl
and the US opioid epidemic. Now
it's console formulations so
take it you know take take it
for the truth you want to wear
our heroin and fentanyl coming
from most of the heroin coming
into the United States is
cultivated in Poppy farms in
Mexico with several major
cartels controlling production,
operating distribution hubs in
major major US cities. Now we
were talking about China being
the to blame here. Mexican
cartels typically smuggle
narcotics across the
southwestern US border in
commercial and passenger
vehicles moving through ports of
entry or via underground
tunnels. Large quantities of
heroin are also produced in
South American countries,
particularly Columbia travel to
United States by air and sea.
Most fentanyl in the United
States is also smuggled across
the southern border. US
officials say fentanyl coming
directly from China. Previously,
the dominant source has
significantly decreased since
2019. But China is still the
main manufacturer of the
ingredients needed to create
fentanyl. Drug cartels have been
the leaders in fentanyl
production. larger organizations
organizations such as the
Sinaloa Cartel and that Jalisco
new generation cartel have their
own distribution networks. Some
also depend on American citizens
to smuggle fentanyl across the
border. Between 2017 and
2120 21 86% of fentanyl
traffickers were American
citizens. Well, hello. That's
interesting.
John C Dvorak: But are they
American citizens of Mexican
descent
Adam Curry: that was of course
not mentioned. Well, that
John C Dvorak: should be
mentioned. Now. Let's
Adam Curry: stick with China for
a moment. South Korea
Unknown: reports seizing 1000s
of smuggled drug capsules
containing an unusual added
ingredient, the powdered flesh
from dead babies. Some people
believe they can cure disease.
The Korea custom services they
were made in northeastern China
from babies whose bodies were
chopped into small pieces and
dried on stoves before being
turned into powder. But they
wouldn't say where they believe
the babies came from war exactly
who made the capsules, citing
possible diplomatic friction
with Beijing. The contents
though were identified by
scientific testing
enabled when we analyzed it the
powdered materials sequences
better than a 99.7% match with a
human DNA sequence.
No one's been reported ill from
ingesting them but scientists
Shinwell gi warns they have the
potential to be dangerous, but
we also see super bacteria and
other germs and viruses harmful
to a person if consumed.
Some of the capsules were
carried in luggage, others were
sent by international mail. The
smugglers told customs officials
they believed the capsules were
ordinary stamina boosters and
didn't know the manufacturing
process. One official said no
one's been punished. But a
customs clearance director at
Incheon Airport warned consumers
should be careful about health
food supplements where the
ingredients aren't clearly
marked.
Adam Curry: Man that puts a new
bent on baby puck. Yeah, give
John C Dvorak: you a clip for
the day for that thing.
Adam Curry: This is baby powder.
What are we talking about here?
Viva lievable. Meanwhile, state
visit big visit. Good old Elon
hanging out in Beijing. Mr.
Musk.
Unknown: What's the goal of your
China trip
surrounded by bodyguards
strutting through a Beijing
hotel lobby. Elon Musk's first
visit to China in three years is
an important one for Beijing and
for the auto social media and
space executive. Praising the
vitality of Chinese development
Musk met with the Minister of
Commerce, the Minister of
Industry and the foreign
minister to discuss Tesla's
place in China and the future of
its technology there. For last
year China manufactured half of
the company's global output some
700,000 model Y and model three
sales of the cars were also
signif begins with China being
the model wise biggest market.
slashing prices has also helped
with the increasingly
competitive industry in China.
There's also a geopolitical
aspect to the trip. And it's
tensions between China and the
US. Musk has regularly struck a
sympathetic tone towards
Beijing, saying according to the
Foreign Ministry, that the US
and China are like conjoined
twins that should not be
decoupled from
China always welcome business
leaders from all countries,
including Elon Musk to visit
China and gain a better
understanding and promote mutual
cooperation. Attending.
The visit comes as there are
rising calls in the US and in
Europe for reducing dependency
on Chinese supply chains. And as
foreign companies in China are
increasingly voicing concerns
after a series of corporate
Adam Curry: rates. Yeah, me long
just no problem for Ilan do any
kind of business he wants is all
good. And while you know we look
at China, as you know, the
source of fentanyl and the
problems we have in the United
States. And this all of course
started with with opioids being
overprescribed. There's a lot of
good documentaries about it. And
NBC follows up
Unknown: now to a landmark
ruling stemming from the
nation's opioid crisis. A
federal appeals court has
cleared the way for a bankruptcy
deal that would shield members
of the Sackler family owners of
Purdue pharma, from future civil
lawsuits, the Sackler and
billions of dollars from the
sale of OxyContin and other
opioid painkillers. As part of
the settlement, they would pay
as much as $6 billion and give
up control of Purdue, the
settlement must still be
approved by a bankruptcy court
judge
Adam Curry: and they're safe,
safe, everybody. Of course,
everyone focused on the Sackler
family with meanwhile, Johnson
and Johnson, they think they had
to tweak pay $23 billion in
fines for their participation in
it. Along with I want to say
Walgreens, I want to be careful
there. You know, for
distribution. I mean, the whole
thing is just being covered up.
But don't worry Dr. Janice here
with another virus to be afraid
of back where
Unknown: there's a cover story,
a respiratory virus called hMPV.
The search term has over 10
million views on tick tock as
many people wondering what
exactly it is. Chief Medical
Corps Don't
Adam Curry: you love that as
some kind of justification? Hey,
you know, there's over 10
million searches on Tik Tok for
hMPV Oh, that must mean
something's really going on
there or it's being spiked.
Unknown: The search term has
over 10 million views on tick
tock as many people wondering
what exactly it is. CHIEF
MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT Dr. Jenn
Ashton is here to explain it
presents like a cold
at pretty much upper respiratory
infection most of the time it
can hit the lower respiratory
tract. It's not new, it was
first identified over 20 years
ago. But CDC is tracking a
higher number of cases before
the pandemic even started. This
is the same virus as RSV,
measles, mumps symptoms just
like you said, George kind of a
bad cold nasal congestion cough,
you can see a fever,
occasionally shortness of
breath, it can progress to
bronchitis or in some cases
pneumonia. But this is a perfect
example. We've been so COVID,
RSV, influenza focused, we have
to be able to walk and chew gum
at the same time. And that's not
the only virus out there. This
is just another example.
Adam Curry: Oh, just another
example is many viruses Be very
afraid. Do we have a treatment
for Dr. June and it is a
Unknown: virus? So is it
treatable?
So no vaccine right now? No
antiviral treatment, per se, we
normally just follow this. And
treat conservatively based on
symptoms, most people recover on
their own. So treatment is what
we call you know, most of the
time, people will get better
within five or seven days, how
you prevent it. People are bored
and tired of hearing about this,
but it bears repeating hand
hygiene, staying away from
others if you're sick, covering
your mouth when you cough or
sneeze, the basics,
Adam Curry: but really kill me
and the virus spiked this
spring. How serious could it
get?
Unknown: Well, I mean, we have
to track these things. And I
know people have that, you know
pandemic fatigue and
psychological fatigue and they
don't like hearing about it. So
we don't know viruses mutate for
a living, it can always change
Adam Curry: drum Did you know
that viruses mutate for a
living?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they get
more money that way.
Unknown: No viruses mutate for a
living, it can always change.
Our susceptibility can change.
We have to remember, it's how we
behave, how the virus behaves
and how we behave together. Oh,
it's our fault. And they started
to see an increased 36% increase
in cases even before the
pandemic started so time this
season by this time, but people
just need to keep this on their
radar.
Adam Curry: Yes, keep it on your
radar. Yeah, I think NPR got a
better buy. They were able to
take care of this in 18 seconds
with with the real virus.
Unknown: FDA has approved a
second vaccine that protects
adults 60 And over from the
common respiratory worry virus
RSV, this one is made by Pfizer.
RSV usually causes a cold for
most people, but for older
people in babies it can cause
serious or life threatening
complications.
Adam Curry: It's interesting
because I've never really heard
of RSV being a problem for old
people.
John C Dvorak: I never heard of
any of these things before this
Wilson
Adam Curry: Well Tina said that
when her kids were young that
their RSV was known it was
around and she was of course
careful. So for
Unknown: mom, no,
John C Dvorak: they started
well, they start things
differently at different ages.
Yeah, yeah. What sets you on a
bullshit clips. Let's go to the
climate WTF clip the climate
Clip of the Day. Oh, here
Adam Curry: we go.
Unknown: According to new study,
Earth is in the danger zone when
it comes to seminar of eight
specific ecological metrics,
both in terms of overheating and
losing its natural areas. And as
well as the well being of people
living on the planet. study
looked at not just specific
guardrails in terms of the
planetary ecosystem, but also
measures of justice in terms of
preventing harm for groups of
people. So he looked at climate
air pollution, phosphorus and
nitrogen pollution, groundwater
supplies, and a number of other
factors.
Adam Curry: Ah, I heard nitrogen
in there that's that's new and
now that it was
John C Dvorak: mentioned, of
course,
Adam Curry: justice. Yeah. Did
you see the the Swedish dance
show where the climate activists
showed up? You must have seen
this video. Yeah, I did. Where
the camera jib just slams the
guy right in the face. Do you
think that was a that was
purpose on purpose?
John C Dvorak: Well, have you
ever I don't know if you've ever
played with it one of those
jibs. Sure. We had one at Tech
TV and you get everyone got to
play with it. Once you get the
hang of using that thing, yeah,
it was on purpose.
Adam Curry: That was harsh. And
I'm sure these kids are like,
Hey, man, that's not how it's
supposed to go. You're not
supposed to bop me in the face
with that.
John C Dvorak: Um, so we got a
letter from our Veritas guy.
Adam Curry: Ah, yes. The former
executive director of Project
Protoss. Yeah, sir.
John C Dvorak: Here is Strack
sir Strack. So we have a report
that came in we after recent
report does the Veritas update
you might want to play Oh,
second
Adam Curry: Veritas update. Yes,
I see it here. We're looking now
Unknown: at Project Veritas,
which is now openly at odds with
its founder and former chairman
James O'Keefe. The organization
filed a lawsuit against O'Keefe
today. Project Veritas filed the
complaint in the US District
Court for the Southern District
of New York. It accuses O'Keefe
have several wrongdoings
including breach of fiduciary
duty, financial misconduct and
workplace abuse. The board of
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Adam Curry: Yeah, it looks like
now what did our guy say? He
said, I didn't agree with the
stuff that we're doing, I think
something like that.
John C Dvorak: I can't remember
exactly, but he'd been just
bailed out. He bailed out
Adam Curry: a bit, you know, it
was probably this probably. So
they're suing them over, you
know, misappropriation of funds
and approaching donors. I mean,
no one's gonna win this. This
No, this is not a winnable case.
Not win, but it'll just drag
everybody down to drain
everybody's bank account. Your
lawyers will win. Yeah, y'all
should talk and just sorted out
this. No one's going
John C Dvorak: to be I did. Our
guy has not said anything about
this, but and he may not know
because he wasn't there that
long. But there has to be a
personality conflict within the
company. A major within the
board. I think within Yeah,
within the board. Somebody hates
this guy. Yeah. And he hates
them. Yes. And it's usually just
that simple.
Adam Curry: Yes. Sad. Sad to see
that happen. It happened said
there's a couple of Russian
things in the news.
John C Dvorak: Your buddy I have
one Russian story All right,
let's let's roll with your
Russia just as a good does it
feel good story? I'm not sure we
should play it at the beginning.
Okay. Was this is the beluga spy
whale.
Adam Curry: I love this story.
I'm glad you got this
Unknown: news now of an alleged
Russian spy turning up in
Sweden. He's white, about 15
feet tall weighs around a ton
and is an excellent swimmer, a
beluga whale that has impure as
Rob Schmitz reports locals are
Vince the giant mammal has been
trained by the Russian military.
The beluga whale that locals
have named Valdimir VOL being
Norwegian for whale first showed
up four years ago along the
Norwegian coast as marine
biologist Sebastian strand.
peculiar thing with the arrived
with a hardest strapped to him,
which red property of St.
Petersburg, not, of course,
sparked a bunch of theories on
his origins,
the most prominent one Valdimir
was trained by Russia's military
for intelligence purposes
is without a doubt, trained
because he responds to or used
to at least respond to common
Russian training signals. And
several of the behaviors that we
see him repeat even to this day
are things that we know that the
military whale programs also
train the whales to do.
Russia has neither confirmed nor
denied Valdimir is one of their
own, but both the US and Russia
are known to have military
training programs incorporating
aquatic mammals. Stratton works
for the nonprofit one whale
devoted to caring for volume one
whale in fact, when we reached
him, he was on a boat following
the whale probably start to
second strand and his colleagues
are worried about Valdimir
because it's clear he's been
trained by humans and has a hard
time finding food by himself. So
he's constantly seeking human
interaction. There are viral
videos of Valdimir picking up a
camera dropped by a kayaker and
other picking up a woman's
phone. Strand thanks Valdimir is
lonely.
A big part of our goal is also
reuniting him with others.
And if he ever does, he can
leave his fine career for the
humans behind him.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, so
they're just making up the spy
part just because he's been
trained that always Russian so
therefore he must be a spy
whale.
John C Dvorak: believe they were
found with a with a camera on
him strapped on when they found
him. I read some of the stories
about it. And he's he was spying
on most of the fishermen seeing
what their catch look like.
Adam Curry: We had a beluga
whale story about a year and a
half ago.
John C Dvorak: Beluga whales by
the way, the one of the
prettiest animations you
imagined very cute, and they
just they have a nice quality
about him.
Adam Curry: Do you remember the
beluga whale near France? I
think? No. Oh, let me let's just
see if the story has anything a
beluga whale which is 2022
Unknown: She usually leaves in
Arctic and sub dark sub Arctic
waters has been spotted in the
sound river heading toward
Paris. Now that's a spy whale
right there. Man protected
species is 1000s of miles away
from its habitat but it's not
the first whale that's
mysteriously ended up in the
scent. And VR Paris
correspondent Eleanor Beardsley
reports sounds to
Adam Curry: me like there's a
spy ring of beluga whales we
haven't. We haven't been been
aware of
Unknown: you'll know from Ceylon
CUSUM. The multiple layer
like a Phantom is the incursion
of the polar world into the
troubled waters of the sense as
this French television news
report showing the white beluga
whales swimming slowly through
the rivers dark waters. Patrick
Erivo was one of the
firefighters who filmed the
whale with a drone sits under
the key it does see you unless
you know cube long. It's an
impressive animal
you eat up all white. That seems
very tranquil.
He doesn't seem stressed.
Adam Curry: He comes up for air
regularly because he's a spy.
Unknown: but authorities say the
whale is stressed and fleeing
any contact. It's normal habitat
is off Norway, Russia or Canada.
Emmanuel Pesco VL with the
Normandy prefecture of police is
in charge of the unit tracking
the whale on this boat
Adam Curry: crapped. All right,
well, nice spy whale. Your buddy
Claire Daly is mad. She's the
Irish show representative in
European MEP, s MEP member of
European Parliament. And I guess
she's tired of the Russian
stuff.
Unknown: Thanks very much
presidents. Tomorrow, the
parliament votes on the second
Kenyatta report on foreign
interference, a sprawling,
paranoid McCarthy has tracked
stigmatizing whole sections of
society and opposition politics
under the specter of Russian
interference calling for a
battery of repressive measures.
And now here we are discussing
the threat to democracy and the
rule of law. Because the Polish
government goes off on a march
one against its political
opponents under the guise of
exactly the same thing for four
years now. Anytime any old rumor
of foreign interference has left
it out of the paranoid
imaginations of the security
sector. Think tanks that
parading here, day after day, we
roll out the red carpet. We
encourage phones and amplify
conspiracy theories about
rushing into ference based on
the flimsiest of evidence. And
from day one, the left warned
that this is a bad road to go
down. Learn from history,
counter intelligence, paranoia,
erodes democratic values and the
rule of law. For four years
we've been ignored. We've been
slandered. And now for groups to
willingly to helpers of the
foreign interference, crusade
are crying foul, it's being
abused. It's a trait of
fundamental rights. It's a trait
to the rule of law. Well
remember where you heard it
first, we don't like to say we
told you so. But we teach ESL
CaCO. Black
Adam Curry: man, I like
listening to her.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but what is
she talking about here? Well, so
the
Adam Curry: apparently there's
Russian influence, you know,
like Donald Trump stuff, Russian
influence campaign. They're
their propaganda. There they're,
they're infiltrating a European
Parliament. Now they're all
freaked out about it.
McCarthyism is on its way.
According to Claire,
John C Dvorak: what does she
know about McCarthyism was a
phenomenon of the United States
in the 50s. Wow, but it is a
reference that's dated and one
kind of knows it. I don't know
about that.
Adam Curry: Did you follow Tara
read the
John C Dvorak: I didn't know she
was in town.
Adam Curry: She's not She is the
former staffer for Biden who
said that he sexually
John C Dvorak: became a Russian
well
Adam Curry: mind you What's that
all about term is defected. I
find that I don't have any clips
but she defected they were
bringing that thing back from
the Soviet times. About the
John C Dvorak: deaths and other
old defected that's not what a
defection means. Of
Adam Curry: course not.
John C Dvorak: But that's a
what's his name as a gal.
Russian he didn't defect. Did
they say that about
Adam Curry: him? That they might
have I don't remember. And of
course we have Snowden. But
what's interesting about this,
is that she defected upon
invitation of Maria Butina. I
remember Maria Butina. Yeah, the
redhead was the other redhead,
not the actual Russian redhead
spy. She's the one that had a
romantic relationship with
Patrick Byrne, the Overstock CEO
guy, and she she got arrested,
she got thrown in jail. And
eventually she pleaded guilty to
not registering as a foreign
agent because she wanted to
influence the National Rifle
Association, which is kind of a
bull crap thing. Half of
Washington DC is a lobbyist that
is unregistered. But I find it
interesting because it to me. I
mean, I think we both agree that
Russian first of all, no one
hates the Russians. It's only
Putin. No one hates the Russians
and hot dog boy. But no one's no
one's walk around like, Oh, I
hate the Russian scum, Russian
scum. No, no. In fact, Russians
and Americans are very similar.
We're very similar values,
John C Dvorak: as if they don't
like baseball.
Adam Curry: And Maria Butina was
trying to get Russia's, she's
now a member of parliament
shouldn't you're trying to get
laws changed, so that Russians
could have an equivalent of a
second amendment. So this feels
like a signal somehow.
John C Dvorak: But you know, a
lot of times you get something
like this, and it's actually an
intelligence asset that has been
set up to do this so they can
get over there.
Adam Curry: Who, there you go.
It's the real, I mean,
John C Dvorak: at the end to let
the Biden girl, because it
doesn't make any sense.
Otherwise, to me, at least.
Adam Curry: Well, she left
because she was asked to testify
against Biden, by Matt gates and
a couple of these Republican
dudes. And then she was told,
Well, you know, we can't give
you any protection. Yeah, and,
you know, Democrats might kill
you. And of course, he was only
being used as a political pawn
to make Biden look bad for the
upcoming election. So there's
something that just Maria Butina
in this tells me that some
intelligent aspect that we're
not aware of, there must be
something more to the end.
John C Dvorak: If they're any
good at all. We'll never be
aware. In fact, that fact, in
fact that we got this close is
phenomenal. Probably. That's it.
But I do have Biden supercut of
Biden shouting,
Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Let's play
it.
Unknown: My grandpa was named
mandro. For Ambrose Finnegan. As
kitchen table I learned by used
to say, Hey, Joey, nobody's
better than you, but you're no
better than anybody else. Maybe
Scranton and MC Got a little bit
of a chip on my shoulder,
worried about whether I can make
next month's work mortgage
payment? Well, it is what it is
because He was who He is. That's
why it is what it is. You know,
remember when he went on, he
decided he was going to convince
Bob Woodward What a smart guy he
was. So you want a smart guy.
I'll lead an effective strategy
to mobilize true international
effort to pressure, isolate and
punish China. Donald care Donald
Trump thinks health care. Well,
I'm sick and tired are smart
guys. I gotta admit, this is all
within our power. Hang on. The
sand every single person
qualified to CUNY college free
and if I keep going, you're
gonna freeze your fingers off.
Adam Curry: All right. Another
one for the books, your friend.
And I want to point out that you
have you identified Taylor Swift
as a as a phenomenon before the
world did. You were the first
one that brought her to the
show?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And my
basis was the fact that she got
some free airtime on one of the
one of the late night 60 minutes
type shows news show. And she
was getting promoted, like,
didn't make a lot of sense. And
then looking into where we
discovered her father was one of
the big vice presidents or big
muckety muck, they use the term
at Merrill Lynch and he's the
one who moved the family to
Nashville now and she learned
from him and she's become she's
a marketing Juggernaut and it's
just beyond me that nobody
noticed that you know, this is
all a skate game. She doesn't
she's a genius in marketing, but
I don't see that her songs are
that interesting. And now we
have this latest which we're
going to discuss this latest
scam a marketing scam, which is
just beyond me i roller
Adam Curry: Well, what do you
know that I don't know? It's not
a marketing thing. Is this a
marketing scam?
John C Dvorak: What about the
forgotten? Yeah, forgotten
attendance?
Adam Curry: No. Yes. Oh, yes.
Yeah, yes. That No, it's taters.
I'm from the BBC and Time
Magazine Taylor Swift Fans
report amnesia following amnesia
John C Dvorak: Taylor Swift
amnesia. This was reported on
the inside edition. And
mainstream media didn't bite on
this edition. Did you have this?
Do you have a clip? No, no, I
didn't get it clipped by we used
to bite on this. This is
Adam Curry: MK Ultra
John C Dvorak: it was something
Yeah, you didn't think about
that. About that. I didn't think
it MK she may be MK Ultra for
all
Adam Curry: she's hypnotizing
young children and who know that
so they don't remember being
done a member anything from the
concert? Except what was put in
there? If your child went to a
Taylor Swift concert she's
acting weird let us know. I'm
telling you. This is not normal.
John C Dvorak: No, none of this
is our show specializes in the
abnormal
Adam Curry: you're telling me
that you think this is a
marketing scam? Like go to the
show? Don't remember it. How
does that work?
John C Dvorak: No, it's just an
attention getter. Okay, oh, I'm
gonna go see if I can forget. I
mean, who knows that your fans
are all a bunch of bats.
Adam Curry: Obviously if I can
forget Okay, perfect. RFK Jr.
You put it in the newsletter.
Did you think this is a takedown
of him? All of a sudden B's
Connor
John C Dvorak: stuff
Adam Curry: yeah the Connor
stuff. Okay, there's
John C Dvorak: a couple of
Connor things going on Connor
claims to bend to Ukraine and
fought yes and any story if you
read the story, which I linked
to it in the newsletter, the
story and People Magazine. It
has two interesting facets to
it. First it he is supposedly
married to Cheryl Hines.
Adam Curry: No that's RFK Jr. is
married to Cheryl Hines.
John C Dvorak: Oh okay. Well
then Cheryl Hines is the Mom Yes
Guy Yes kid correct. And the kid
has a an affair. Boys got some
notorious worldwide affair going
on with some Brazilian hottie
Oh. And if you look her up
because they he suppose he goes
to Ukraine but then turns up in
Brazil? This obviously was his
wife. You don't go from Ukraine
to Brazil.
Adam Curry: Oh, he was on break
from college.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, it's
on a break. And then he okay, I
miss I mixed up the Cheryl Hines
thing because because it doesn't
make sense with this Brazilian
story because if you look and
again is People Magazine, same
magazine with his story about
him. And this hottie the singer
from a brazilian girl that he's
dating and you're seeing a lot
of amigos from Ukraine right to
her is very fishy stories even
some people are even wondering
whether he was in Ukraine at
all. Hmm. There's something very
fishy about Conor Kennedy.
Adam Curry: So, there was a
rally where Robert Kennedy Jr.
said that not only was Connor
did Connor go to Ukraine as a
machine gunner, but it's also a
Justin righteous war.
Unknown: I want to say that we
are in the Ukraine. For all the
right reasons. We are there
because we are a good people.
Abraham Lincoln said, America is
a great nation because we're a
good nation. And we continue to
be good people. And we are there
because of our compassion. The
Ukrainian people who have been
brutalized who've been illegally
invaded, have shown
extraordinary valor and courage,
defending their country and
defending their families, and
their beliefs and their
liberties and their
independence. Things that
Americans have to admire. My own
son Connor, I'm very, very proud
that Connor joined the Foreign
Legion and fought in the Ukraine
during the Kharkiv offensive as
a machine gunner for Special
Forces Group.
Adam Curry: You know,
John C Dvorak: well, there's a
possibility that they're trying
to get Connor on the Kennedy
list of people that's going to
you're going to run for office.
ARS JQ Jr. is not going to win
anything
Adam Curry: but here's here's
how I took it. I took it as a
Kennedy's wife actress Hollywood
Hollywood that the only she said
I'm only going to go along with
you running the way you run with
you know, your being your anti
Vax whatever whatever other
stuff that that you know that we
like about him. If you if you
justify the Ukraine situation,
and maybe that's why they bring
the Connor thing in. What do you
think about that?
John C Dvorak: It may be but I
don't think she's got that much
power influence. Ukraine. I
think the Ukraine thing is the
following. Connor was gonna run
for office because he's a
Kennedy. They all all do.
Commerce. He doesn't want to be
a member of the military ever.
But he wants to look like a
tough guy. So he's goes and he
does this phony baloney gig
which makes him look like a
military guy without having to
actually joined the army and
served the country. But it still
has a look to at
Adam Curry: least Wow,
interesting. So you think this
has some chops? So the whole
thing is deployed to get Connor
in future president Connor.
Yeah, Kennedy's think that way.
They do have a long game
mentality.
John C Dvorak: They have a long
game. The guy's buffed So as
he's a good looking guy. To the
point he's that he's goofy
Logan, I mean, I shouldn't say
good luck is not like a Kennedy.
You know, a gorgeous Kennedy.
He's kind of a goofball looking
Kennedy would but you'll grow
out of that he'll look like a
cat, regular Kennedy eventually.
And then he's got his military
service under his belt. So
without having to actually sign
up for anything. Heaven forbid.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Oh,
I like that angle. I like that
makes a lot of a lot of sense.
Hey, and what is this? What is
the Kosovo why? Why is Kosovo
all of a sudden popping up if
you've noticed these stories?
John C Dvorak: Yes, there's a
bunch of action going on.
Adam Curry: I have two clips
I've seen on CNN CBS first,
Unknown: NATO is sending 700
more troops to Kosovo to help
curb rising tensions in northern
towns that comes after 30
peacekeeping soldiers were
injured during classes with
ethnic Serb protesters earlier
this week of violence broke out
in the region following the
installation of ethnic Albanian
mares in Serbian dominated
areas. They were elected in a
vote overwhelmingly boycotted by
Serbs. Ethnic Albanians make up
over 90% of Kosovo, its
population but Serbs in the
North have long demanded the
creation of autonomous
municipalities. It's not clear
when the extra NATO troops will
arrive though.
Adam Curry: Hold on Stop the
presses. Connor Kennedy dated
Taylor Swift
John C Dvorak: No, that's
interesting.
Adam Curry: He can't remember
all the part of us can't
remember it can't remember it.
Can't remember anything that
happened during my dating I
Taylor Swift. Here's CNN and
Kosovo.
Unknown: More than 30 NATO
peacekeepers injured in clashes
with Serb protesters in northern
Kosovo Monday. Among them
several Italians and Hungarians.
NATO has condemned the attacks,
saying they were quote totally
unexcited Double
Adam Curry: these are NATO
troops Gianna un. This is NATO.
This is something this is some
this is weird.
Unknown: The peacekeepers known
as k four have been present in
this volatile region since 1999.
In response to brutal ethnic
cleansing of Albanians, yeah,
Adam Curry: as the Dutch Blue
Helmets how that went, that was
real good boys.
Unknown: The latest tension
comes after ethnic Serbs
boycotted an election in the
northern part of Kosovo in
April, leading to ethnic
Albanians governing the region.
Serbia claims the Kosovo
government is goading Serbs to
clash with NATO as peacekeepers
stand guard inspection today,
whether the protesters here
listen could determine whether
relative peace returns to the
region, or if Europe has another
conflict on the horizon.
Adam Curry: Another conflict on
the horizon, that's what we
need.
John C Dvorak: Well, Albania,
Albania should be noted that
Albania and Croatia both join
NATO and 2009. So there's a
legitimate reason for NATO being
there, but not in 99. No,
because Serbia is not in NATO.
Albania wasn't in NATO, then.
No. So what was going on now
that would have that would
prompt these NATO troops to go
into this NATO thing is out of
control. Yeah. And it's not a
country. It's not a government.
Adam Curry: This this is this
has to be an alliance has to be
Ukraine related. This
something's wrong Ukraine
related as you say, NATO
Alliance related. We're being
set up for something here.
John C Dvorak: I'm so sick of
these people as best they can.
I'm sick of it. I'm sick. I got
one sick of it.
Adam Curry: I got one last clip.
Canada is doing something fun.
Unknown: Canada is about to
become the first country to
require health warnings printed
on individual cigarettes. As Dan
Karpen Chuck reports, the
announcement was laid on
Wednesday, which was World note
Tobacco Day.
The measure is aimed at raising
awareness of the health risks of
tobacco and reducing its usage.
The new regulations won't take
effect until the beginning of
August and will come in a phased
approach over the next year.
Health Ministers only do close
as the warning will reach every
person who smokes with messages
including poison in every puff
and cigarettes cause cancer.
kingsize cigarettes will be the
first to feature the warnings
and will be sold by retailers by
the end of July 2024. Officials
say it's part of a strategy to
reach a target of less than 5%
tobacco use by 2035. The
Canadian Cancer Society and the
Heart and Stroke Foundation,
welcome the measures. For NPR
News. I'm
Adam Curry: Dan carpenter back
in Toronto. Yeah, I'd like to
remind I'd like to remind us all
that research showed in the
Netherlands when they the more
horrible, yep, pictures they put
on cigarette packs of diseased
lungs and people dying, the more
they sold. This is this is a
great marketing promotion.
John C Dvorak: Well, they have a
set for one thing in this case.
The ink causes cancer,
Adam Curry: of course, but it
doesn't matter. You know if you
can actually be reminded of how
horrible this product is when
you're smoking it, poison and
every puff. People will buy more
in every This is a known fact.
It's a known fact people. That's
marketing for you genius Canada
well done. Alright, everybody,
keep your eye out. Keep your eye
on your kids. Get my ham radio.
John C Dvorak: Now you're
talking That's smart. Yeah, get
them
Adam Curry: ready for field day
get them using FTA they'll learn
geography and technology and
other fun stuff was good for
most kids don't know geography
now. Well, FTA you're learning
it right there on the map. You
see how far your signal reached.
We have next on no agenda
stream.com We have the
millennial media offensive. All
right. Good little show there.
And coming up we've got ACDC his
greatest COVID hits. We've got
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Hunter Jones for your end of
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everybody. I'm Adam curry.
John C Dvorak: Bush thing to
tyrannical this guy sounds a lot
like go one of these podcasters
that lives in Japan.
Adam Curry: I think he is that
podcast that lives in Japan.
Well,
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley. I'm John C.
Dvorak. We'll be
Adam Curry: back on Sunday.
Remember us at Devorah
rock.org/na Until then, adios
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John C Dvorak: I'm gonna update
share Trump
Adam Curry: because the last
time I did it he got all up in
my grill I really mean you were
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John C Dvorak: it was taking
crazy pills
Adam Curry: you're always
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I said you need to explain it
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John C Dvorak: day where's
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