September 24th, 2023 • 3h 3m
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John C Dvorak: This is what
broadcasting has become. Adam
curry, John C. Devora.
Adam Curry: September 24 2023.
This is your award winning give
our nation media assassination
episode 1593. This
Unknown: is no agenda.
Adam Curry: We're all out of
room and we're broadcasting live
from the heart of the Texas Hill
Country here. And reason number
six in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where everybody
notices that they steal material
from us. I'm John C. Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Buzzkill. Oh, do we
have another theft report?
John C Dvorak: I got a three
part clip.
Adam Curry: Well, a three part
clip of them of them, whoever
whoever them is, Steve, a
John C Dvorak: news Australia
guy new stealing
Adam Curry: from us. Please
Unknown: know that it gives me
no great pleasure to report
this. But this week, the world
got an up close look at Joe
Biden appears that he really is
coming apart before our eyes.
The occasion for this
examination was the annual
meeting of the UN General
Assembly in New York, when the
world's leaders gather at that
great temple of uselessness that
is the United Nations to put on
a show to convince the rest of
us they know what they're doing.
Adam Curry: So hello, hello
Phoebe's Okay, so already,
they're stealing our our setup.
Phoebe? Yes, I know. It's Sky
News, Australia. They're
thieves. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I don't blame her
for marking Me neither.
Unknown: Good luck with that.
And of course, leading the pack
here was our man, Joe Biden.
Here he was addressing the
leaders of the globe. And I tell
you what, I feel pretty bad for
some of the folks who are doing
simultaneous translations
of our institutions and drive
creative new partnerships. Let
me be clear, certain principles
are in the national system are
sanker sacrosanct.
certain principles about about
your guess is as good as mine.
Then there was this little
meeting with the president of
Brazil, which played out more
like a hearing aid commercial
you might hear on talkback
radio.
Wow. And to say
to President Bae, can you hear
me President Biden? This is a
historical moment for Brazil,
and for the US.
Are you there? President Biden,
it's me, Margaret Biden, of
course forgot to shake the
Brazilian President's hand to
his great delight. Not that
there was this bizarre moment
when meeting with Israeli Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Joe
Biden made the side of the cross
check that over 40 years our
friendship goes a long way and
take us a long way. I'm sorry,
let's just see that again. This
is just it's just all too weird.
Had enough faith in but Gora
note that it is also in this
meeting that Bibi Netanyahu
spoke off the cuff while Biden
of course needed those note
cards, he always holds on to to
speak because we know what
happens when he goes off script.
Adam Curry: You know, except we
do it in less time than these
guys tell.
John C Dvorak: This is the
point. This is actually a well
structured shaggy dog story, the
punch lines in clip three. But
it's a shaggy dog story, and
you'll see how it's structured
at the very end. Go to two
Unknown: meanwhile, Kamala
Harris, the woman whose mere
existence as vice president
makes the Secret Service's job
so easy, well, she's just making
friends everywhere she goes, You
know,
when we think about minority,
small business owners and let's
be more specific about Latinos
mound is just Yes, it is.
Restaurants but it is so much
more.
So basically there if you read
between the lines, Kamala Harris
thinks that Latinos just don't
taco stands or something, I
guess. Which means that when she
saw Jill Biden called Mexicans
breakfast burritos at one time,
she was just thinking, hold my
beer. Now, at this point, I
gotta wonder, is this whole
shambling, stuttering clumsy
Biden routine? I mean, look,
it's declined, but maybe it's
not. Could it be that there's
something else entirely going
on? Sometimes I see. Maybe he's
actually putting on an act. So
people underestimate him or
don't realize that he is the
mastermind of this whole huge
sort of behind the scenes
operation. I don't know maybe
Joe Biden is playing it up like
a cry for help. political
pressure builds to allow him to
gracefully retire, rather than
be forced to keep doing the job
to please Jill or whomever it
is. I don't know.
Adam Curry: I know where this is
leading. I know we're
John C Dvorak: finding a classic
shaggy dog story and you do it
once in a while on the show. You
do to veer off things, usually
two or three of them and they've
Kamla Harris materials got
nothing to do with anything. But
that's what you do when you do a
shaggy dog to kind of keep the
person interested by trying it
by me. Making semi interesting
little asides, but here's the
part where they steal our
material.
Unknown: Sometimes just
sometimes, this whole thing
reminds me a little bit of the
old New York City mobster,
Vincent Chin Gigante, for years
threw off the authorities, by
putting a lot of public acts
suggested he was in fact, just
himself a harmless shuffling
mentally ill wanderer, when in
fact, he was a criminal
mastermind in charge of a whole
criminal enterprise. From a
member of the Lucchese crime
family, John Puglisi explained
this a bit more here.
Besides taking trips to
psychiatric hospitals, chin was
known to wander around Greenwich
Village on shaven, wearing
pajamas, a bathrobe and house
slippers muttering gibberish, he
talked to telephone poles and
parking meters and urinate at
will in the street, and at
times, randomly dropped to his
knees and cross himself
randomly making the side of the
cross you say? Yeah, sure. It's
just a coincidence.
You mean, though he actually
does a call
Adam Curry: back they stole from
you is what you're saying.
John C Dvorak: But I admire the
the structure of what they did,
especially with the call back to
the sign of the cross. Which
guarantee I guess, supposedly,
Adam Curry: okay, I didn't know
that. That part I'd never heard.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So Ben
died. And Biden does it all the
time.
Adam Curry: Dude, that show I
mean, he was right in first clip
one. It's just all a show. I'm
so tired of the show. This this
all show is the show. And maybe,
you know, maybe, maybe it will
get better. Let me see. Maybe it
will get better when this gets
taken care of. Where am I here?
Yes. Oh, my. The Hollywood
Unknown: writers union plans to
meet with producers for a third
straight day, as a source tells
NBC that they are inching toward
a deal to end the nearly five
month long strike for studio
heads join the talks for a
second day yesterday, staying
late. It was a 10 hour marathon
session, progress was reported
in areas such as the use of
artificial intelligence and
residuals. However, some
significant issues still remain.
So even if the writers strike is
resolved, the studio still have
to reach a crop contract deal
with the union actors. And they
walked out in mid July.
Adam Curry: And no one noticed.
And no one cared. No one no one
is complaining. Well, we had one
complaint, we had one complaint
from a producer, a dad who said
Oh, I sure hope my my son's ones
producer. And once an editor can
go back to work. That's the only
person who's complained about
it. No one cares.
John C Dvorak: This, it's like
anyone involved would complain,
but they don't listen to our
show. But
Adam Curry: it's a tipping
point. That's what this is.
There's tipping points about a
boot tipping point everywhere
where it peak Ukraine war, we're
at peak M five M nobody cares.
And I think I have to remind
myself every single time we're
heads down in this stuff, we're
examining, and over examining
and re examining what the media
is doing what what they're
trying to say what the towards,
you know, the it's the elite
messaging system is trying to
communicate. But most people No,
go to work, you know, drive the
bus, drive the forklift, you
know, whatever, drive the plane,
fly the plane, go to the office,
and then thing they may catch
some news from time to time and
depending on what what bubble
they're in, they'll hear this or
that you know, something about
this or something about that,
and you know, whatever the topic
is, and okay, they live in their
lives. So it takes and we
concluded this on the last
episode takes a long time before
people start to figure stuff
out, like COVID for instance,
you know, I think people now
this isn't a number of people
who never gonna reach. But
people like me know, you know,
I'm steering more and more about
how that stuff didn't work. And
now they're bringing it back.
And yeah, I'm I'm questioning
and I would say worldwide at
this moment. Everybody is slowly
waking up and going hold on a
second. Who are all these people
in our country? Every single
country. I have story after
story after story of asylum
seekers, and the issues that
they've brought in Europe,
France, Lampedusa, Italy,
Germany. The the President said
we've reached our limit of
migrant intake, Maloney, no
more, no more in Lampedusa,
Sweden. It's like we have gang
warfare. We can't have this
anymore. What is going on? on
France,
Unknown: the French interior
minister Gerald Darma, now
arrived in Rome on Monday to
discuss the latest migration
crisis with his Italian
counterpart Matteo Pianta dosi.
A few days ago, both ministers
expressed a common will to
tighten EU border security step
up the fight against human
traffickers at the sandy joint
address to the EU leadership on
the matter.
Because there's been so much
politicization of this that
politicians need short fixes
they need slogans back to say we
are on top of it doesn't work
like that we have to explain to
public opinion that these are
complex issues that require time
resources and different
solutions. But that's the only
way it les
in particular has tightened
measures including increasing
the time for which suspects
involved in human trafficking
can be detained and
investigated, as well as more
opportunities to repatriate
those who have no legal right to
stay in the country.
Adam Curry: It is so bad in
Europe, especially in France,
which has been going on for
decades now. So bad, they had to
bring in the big guy
Unknown: Pope Francis has urged
European states to welcome
migrants and not to treat them
as invaders. He delivered his
message ahead of a Saturday mass
in the French city of Marseille.
The Pope used his visit to the
Mediterranean port city to weigh
into the migrant debate as
governments react to a surge in
new arrivals. 10s of 1000s
turned down for Pope Francis has
mass a mass worship has packed
the sports stadium for his
sermon with a message proved
political as well as spiritual.
The bonda have used his two day
visit to advocate for refugees
and migrants. He's urging
European governments to welcome
people arriving on the shores
and our metropolitan
cities, and many European
countries like France, where
different cultures and religions
coexist. We have a great
challenge against the
exasperation of individualism,
and the selfishness, and
closures that produce loneliness
and suffering.
recent weeks have seen a sharp
increase in migrant boats trying
to cross the Mediterranean to
reach Europe. The Pope is
pleased to welcome those
arrivals goes against the
policies of many EU governments.
But his message has resonated
with worshipers in my say, a
fourth setting which has long
been a meeting point as a
cultures and religions.
Adam Curry: The Guardian just
for the Pope to do that. It's
like Oh, okay.
John C Dvorak: Where's the
communist?
Adam Curry: Well, yes, he's a
he's a Jesuit from Argentina.
This we knew this is now we know
why he's in there. This is his
job now. Oh, no, everything's
okay. Love your neighbor. They
would not really your neighbors,
but okay. Now they are. They
weren't your neighbors when they
came in? I don't want to say
anything about bad about the
Pope. But
John C Dvorak: I mean, come on
as well. You already have it.
Well, the this is not this what
this guy is a part of the entire
Marxist revolution that's taking
place right before our eyes of
redistribution of wealth by
bringing in Yes. Every poor
person in the world you can
find.
Adam Curry: Yes, he changed the
entire Catholic church system in
China. Everyone's gone
underground. Many Catholics I
communicate with lay down we
don't like this guy. But Serbian
police step up migration patrols
on the border with Hungary. The
Guardian writes, migration could
be dissolving force for the EU.
John C Dvorak: In there's always
a bright side.
Adam Curry: The home office in
the UK has determined Hey, you
know, if we have if we have
migrants coming in, they have to
have at minimum a three star
hotel. So people are getting
angry and this has been going on
for over a decade, February 2011
David Cameron, this is a clip
that we played back then who
remembers him saying this? What
I'm
Unknown: about to say, is drawn
from the British experience. But
I believe there are general
lessons for us all. In the UK.
Some young men find it hard to
identify with the traditional
Islam practiced at home by their
parents, whose customs can seem
staid when when transplanted to
modern Western countries. But
these young men also find it
hard to identify with Britain
too, because we've allowed the
weakening of our collective
identity. Under the doctrine of
state multiculturalism. We've
encouraged different cultures to
live separate lives apart from
each other. And apart from the
mainstream, we fail to provide a
vision of society to which they
feel they want to belong We've
even tolerated these segregated
communities, behaving in ways
that run completely counter to
our values.
Adam Curry: And this is Cameron
over the UK might as well have
been about Germany, about Sweden
about anywhere in France.
Unknown: So when a white person
holds objectionable views, race
us, but we're getting there, we
rightly condemned them getting
there and
Adam Curry: getting to those
clips, that's next
Unknown: level views or
practices come from someone who
isn't right. We've been too
cautious, frankly, frankly, even
fearful to stand up to them.
Adam Curry: So that he this is
the speech where he winds up by
saying multiculturalism has
failed. That was in 2011. And
now Now people because no who's
gonna listen to that guy in
2011? If you're just doing your
job, you got a family and you're
trying to live life. Now. People
are starting to see it. And even
Chicago, the big sanctuary city
is now seeing what's really
going on
Unknown: as the city looks to
move migrants to 10 cities. This
new contract reveals Chicago has
agreed to pay gardaworld $29
million.
Adam Curry: So this is for the
winter base camp, that we've
been talking about the past
couple of episodes, and without
any vote or anything. The mayor
just said yeah, you guys come on
this garter world, its security
company they have no experience
with migrants, refugees, asylum
seekers, human beings. All they
do is different types of
security even showbiz
personality security. This is
not their wheelhouse.
Unknown: Even the mayor's point
person for migrants on the city
council says
I do recognize that an executive
branch has the latitude to be
agile in a moment of crisis so I
get why some of this stuff moves
quickly. Clearly, we all have
questions.
The fine print of the deal
reveals Garga will provide
security three meals a day,
daily childcare, seven days a
week, Van transport to school
and doctor as well as laundry.
Adam Curry: This is the city
this is the same company but
this is the same company that
they hired to bus asylum seekers
into Chicago,
Unknown: he notes Garda is
considered a preferred
contractor by the state of
Illinois. This is a contract
that the state has started. They
use them for various purposes
and
Adam Curry: like busing my
transit to the state they're
continuing to and so we
piggybacked
Unknown: on
it the city of Denver pulled out
of a deal, it had to build
similar type provisions for
migrant citing, quote, concerns
grew about the international
company's history of alleged
abuses and mistreatment as well
as its lack of experience in
sheltering migrants. Alderman
Ray Lopez questions why Garda?
The same company that has a
Florida contract to send
migrants here. Now we'll make
millions to care for them. The
fact that
we're spending $29 million on a
tent city system that probably
won't even function in sub zero
weather Chicago style. It's just
amazing to me,
the contract also displays
photos of what the base camps
will look like, with promises
when the temperature is 40
degrees, it will be 70 degrees
inside
Adam Curry: that, John, you've
lived in Chicago, it's 40
degrees, a typical Chicago
winter. No, more like 20
degrees, more like zero, it's
gonna be 40 degrees. And then
inside it will be 70. What's it
going to be one zero.
Unknown: Also today, elected
officials and activists reacted
to the Biden administration to
allow some migrants those from
Venezuela, July to apply for
work permits. They want that
extended to more than just now
the city does estimate that of
the 14,000 migrants sent here.
5000 are from Venezuela.
Adam Curry: Alright, so this is
I don't this is very
interesting. All of a sudden,
oh, Venezuelans are okay. Hmm.
How did this happen? Something
switched and it has nothing to
do with the cities. As you can
even hear in this short clip
from New York City Mayor Eric
Adams. He doesn't even think
that the President's coming to
town won't even meet with him.
Unknown: President Biden is
coming to the city. I am hoping
that he understands this
beautiful city, this economic
engine of the entire country.
What
Adam Curry: is New York, the
economic engine of the entire
country?
John C Dvorak: I think if
they're there, they're probably
putting all their eggs in the
financial bath. Oh, God make the
argument. Okay,
Unknown: it's been saddled with
a $2 billion that we spent
already $5 billion were going to
spend in his fiscal crisis $12
billion in the next two
budgetary cycles. New York don't
don't deserve this. The asylum
seekers don't deserve this. And
so while he's here, I think that
they should really reflect on
New York City has done his spot
and where once we know what I'm
going to do, we released the
public schedule. I'm very
public, everybody knows who I am
you guys. were released. We're
going to be with you The
president or not?
Adam Curry: President you know,
I'm here I got the schedule. You
can meet me anytime you want.
No, he's been sidelined HK role
is in charge of this operation
and an OP it is
Unknown: because New York City
has had this pulled is 40 year
old right to shelter people have
come to New York City. And
that's another area, the mayor
and I need to look at this
together. And we are looking at
it and trying to figure out a
way that we can say this was
intended to help homeless people
stay off the streets help
families, but it was never
intended to be an unlimited
universal right and obligation
to shelter the entire world. And
that's the way it's been
interpreted. So once that gets
fixed, as well as this
opportunity to the Venezuelan
opportunity to take a lot of
pressure off, but we really need
to stop the incoming we're still
seeing about 3000 a week. That's
absolutely unsustainable.
Adam Curry: So I want to get
back to Hoko in a moment, but
something happened. There was a
switch it must have happened
months ago and word went out.
Venezuelans come on in
Unknown: deteriorating
conditions in Latin America,
made worse by the COVID 19
pandemic has increased the
number of people crossing into
the United States from Mexico,
and Venezuela and Rodrigo de has
made it to the Mexican border
city of quietism. Friday, he is
just happy to be alive after
riding the beast train a
dangerous free trade that
migrants take to the border.
Adam Curry: Just living off
master because we didn't have
any foods. And later I had to
sell my show so I could eat.
Unknown: But there's hope the
Biden administration has
announced that they would allow
hundreds of 1000s of Venezuelans
already in the United States to
live and work legally.
Washington is also pressuring
Mexico to do more to stem the
flow of immigration. On Tuesday,
Mexico's Main Railway Company
temporarily suspended the B
strain because so many migrants
are climbing aboard and getting
hurt in the process.
Adam Curry: So this beast train
reminiscent of you know, trains
in India, everybody totally
hanging off of it. So, so
somewhere something happened and
this is this is a setup. This is
a setup. And New York is going
to suffer but New Yorkers are
going to suffer. Because of all
of a sudden we they were
telegraphing this when AOC was
out there and in front of the
Roosevelt, the Roosevelt Hotel,
which I've loved the reports
about the Roosevelt held the
luxury Roosevelt Hotel, okay,
know, if you've if you've ever
stayed in the Roosevelt Hotel.
It's far from luxurious, but
it's now it's now asylum seekers
central notice the subtle switch
from migrants to asylum seekers.
And for some reason, we've
decided half a million
Venezuelans will be able to stay
here and work here. And as AOC
was saying, I guess a path to
citizenship. Luckily, New York
one got Hoko on the phone. This
is the local New York television
station, and I have a couple of
clips and maybe we can figure
out what is going on here.
Unknown: Thanks for being here
with us on this busy Wednesday
night. I'm Cheryl wills. And we
begin with breaking news as we
come on the air out of
Washington, the Biden
administration announcing just
moments ago, that it will make
hundreds of 1000s of Venezuelan
migrants eligible for legal
status and work permits, it will
impact nearly a half million
asylum seekers. More than 40% of
migrants who have come through
the city since the immigration
crisis began are Venezuelan
Mayor Adams responding tonight
saying I want to thank President
Biden for hearing our entire
coalition including our hard
working congressional
delegation, and taking this
important step that will bring
hope to the 1000s of Venezuelan
asylum seekers currently in our
care who will now be immediately
eligible for Temporary Protected
Status.
Adam Curry: What happened in
Venezuela that all of a sudden
we had to let them in to come
here and work? Do you have any
idea?
John C Dvorak: Well, it was, it
was it's their government that
that bankrupted the state, the
Maduro regime and communist
government that drove all these
people. That middle class of
Venezuela drove them into
poverty. And I think we allowed
them to come in because we tried
to overturn that government if
you don't remember that yes, a
few years ago with that skinny
guy who is useless and and so I
think somewhere along the line
we told him to open the spigot,
yeah, you can come in. This only
thing I can think of that I
think is a huge mistake for the
Democrats because these people
can easily become Republicans
Adam Curry: will listen to these
next few clips of Hokulea. She
talks about why this has to
happen.
Unknown: Governor thank you for
your time tonight. We understand
this new TPS status that
Adam Curry: TPS status is
typically for see we have TPS
status and it's always limited
by the way, there's always a
limitation. We had it for
Haitians after the earthquake. I
think that's just been extended,
extended extended. There's been
other TPS, but this this is a
John C Dvorak: way started
referred to the TPS report being
made
Unknown: available. Yeah, that'd
be great to Venezuelan migrants
and asylum seekers is a result
of your conversation with
President Biden yesterday. Can
you give us some insight into
that conversation?
Well, this is something that the
President knows we have been
asking for back from July of
2020. To between myself and
Mayor Adams and majority leader
Schumer and Senator Gillibrand
and our delegation.
Adam Curry: Okay. So all of the
New Yorkers, Schumer,
Gillibrand, they've been asking
for this since 2022, to have
Venezuelans come in and work
here instead of, I don't know,
New Yorkers,
Unknown: we've all been working
so hard to persuade the White
House that these individuals who
came to this country and are
living in New York City
shelters, don't have to they
came here to work.
Adam Curry: That's not what
asylum is about. Asylum is for
very specific circumstances, not
work. That's a work, migrant,
that's not an asylum seeker.
Unknown: And if we could find a
path, particularly for the
Venezuelans, which is about 40%
of the population or shelter, if
they could get temporary
protective status, that allows
them to work after 30 days,
instead of after 180. We can
start to clear out the shelters
and give them the jobs. And it
also serves the purpose of
meeting this demand we have for
Republicans in every corner of
New York.
Adam Curry: What serving the
purpose of Republican the
demands of Republicans. Am I
hearing this? Correct?
John C Dvorak: That's what it
sounded like. But it can't be
it, we can
Unknown: start to clear out the
shelters and give them the jobs.
And it also serves the purpose
of meeting this demand we have
for Republicans in every corner
of New York for more workers.
Adam Curry: So the Republicans
in every corner of New York want
more workers and the demands are
met by bringing in Venezuelans
who have temporary protective
status.
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
we did some she tried to say
something else. She couldn't
possibly that sentence makes
zero sense. Well, I'm wondering
why she right. Why did you do
anything to the demands of any
Republican?
Adam Curry: Well, I think she's
the only way I can interpret it.
And we have an another clip
after this is that she means
Republicans who have no need
workers. Let me see. Forget,
even if we take away the
Republican part. They aren't
they're New Yorkers who want to
work on their people from other
states who want to work and will
move to New York to work.
John C Dvorak: It's got to be
just a it's like a typo.
Unknown: This is an important
step. I thank the President for
answering our call for help.
This is an important first step.
We have other requests still out
there, no doubt about it. And
we'll continue those
conversations. But the state is
committed to coming to work with
Mayor Adams to ensure that these
people are connected to jobs. As
soon as they legally can.
They're able to work.
Adam Curry: So we're, I mean,
John C Dvorak: this is what has
to have happened when we did
that file up in Venezuela, where
we try to overturn Maduro and
bringing the Obama guy and bring
into Obama. Exactly. That's
right. That's the guy looked
like Obama, that guy kind of
acted like,
Adam Curry: we just pretended
that he that he was the
president for a while too. We
just
John C Dvorak: can't he was the
president. We had to have to get
support. Ah, now your State
Department had to do deals.
Yeah. We'll let we'll let all
your prisoners back. You have
Don't worry what if anything bad
happens. You can come here.
We'll give you a job.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Send your
prisoners here. Open up the
floodgates. Well, Governor
Holcomb is excited.
Unknown: And I'm really excited
about this opportunity to start
making a dent in something that
New Yorkers have been dealing
with for a long time. And I want
to make sure that we can ensure
they're able to work and we've
been saying, get them to work.
Let them work. This has been our
Adam Curry: how many New Yorkers
have been saying this, get them
that we need. We need
Venezuelan, we need Venezuelans
to work wreck and get them to
work a
Unknown: rallying cry for such a
long time in the business
community. Cathy whilst
Adam Curry: there she says it's
been a cry in the business
community crying
Unknown: for such a long time in
the business community. Kathy
wild and a partnership stepped
up. Our friends and labor have
been extremely helpful all
across New York. Many people
just want them to be able to
work and fill a hole huge void
we have right now. The fact that
1000s and 1000s of jobs foreign
and 60,000 jobs are unfilled,
okay?
Adam Curry: My one of my
stepdaughters is in New York
it's not like a 60,000 She's
it's jobs are not for the just
picking up everywhere. It's not
true. I mean waitress even even
jobs serving food. It's not
they're not like a dime a dozen.
I don't know about the rest of
New York State. But 460,000 jobs
are we're just we can't wait to
get people
John C Dvorak: to work their
days like to hang in there for
the easy pickins Yeah.
Unknown: 1000s of jobs form and
60,000 jobs are unfilled. In the
state of New York right now we
have a low unemployment rate
were the lowest in the nation.
We have to have more workers.
And this is going to be a very,
very positive development for
our state's economy. Please
individuals in our desire to
start not opening more shelters,
but starting to shut down
shelters. Sorry.
Adam Curry: So now we're gonna
start everyone. You're not
Venezuelan. You're out. We're
gonna kick you out. And where
are you gonna go? Well, Governor
hopeful knows.
Unknown: And Governor, what's
your message to the 10s of 1000s
of asylum seekers and migrants
who are not from Venezuela, who
may be disappointed that they
are not included?
Adam Curry: Go pound sand?
Unknown: Well, this is something
that we're just happy to even
get this foot in the door. We
have been asking for a reduction
in time for all the work status
for everyone. But
John C Dvorak: kind of a
metaphor is that we're just
getting a foot into what foot
and what door? I got you answer
a question like that. What are
you going to do? Here's the
question, what are you going to
do about all these other people
that aren't Venezuelans? Well,
this is getting a foot in the
door foot in what door? What are
you talking about
Adam Curry: the foot in the door
of replacing Americans with
asylum seekers for work is the
only logical explanation? Oh,
I'm sorry, did I just give you
the big replacement theory? Like
Europe?
Unknown: Well, this is something
that we're just happy to even
get this foot in the door. We
have been asking for a reduction
in time for all the work status
for everyone.
Adam Curry: Oh, there it is. We
want everybody who comes in
seeking asylum to be given jobs.
And we'll connect them with
jobs.
Unknown: But I will not look a
gift horse in the mouth. This is
an important first step, and to
others that we have to let
people know, if you're thinking
of coming to New York, we are
truly out of space. The mayor
has done a
John C Dvorak: three way stop.
They're out of space, but they
get plenty of jobs. I know. How
do you have 400 And you know,
almost a half a million jobs and
you're out of space. So how are
you supposed to do that makes
zero sense what she just said?
Well, because you're coming to
New York, we're out of space. So
I'm a tourist. I can't find a
hotel room. Probably no, you
can't.
Adam Curry: Because the cheapest
hotel the Roosevelt is filled
with asylum seekers. It's right
there. There anyway. But I have
stayed and reeks of weed
Unknown: to others that we have
to let people know that if
you're thinking of coming to New
York, we are truly out of space.
The mayor has done an
extraordinary job managing this
crisis situation. We have been
partners in helping him. But
there must be other cities.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's the
solution. There must be other
cities, Attention, attention,
other cities, we've got some
asylum seekers coming your way
Unknown: or do not have upwards
of 125,000 people, or 60,000 in
shelters that can handle the
volume easier in other states.
And that's what we want to
encourage you
Adam Curry: to do. Yeah, sure.
John C Dvorak: I have to point
something out. Somebody pointed
one of our producers pointed
this out, according to Abbott,
you know, they're blaming him
for shipping all these people
all over the place. But
according to this could be
wrong. But I'm sure it's closer
to right and then not. According
to him. He's been shipping
people to Chicago and beer and
they're all over the place. His
total CAD count supposedly, like
say New York is just over 10,000
I heard 16,000 Yeah. Okay, let's
say it's 16,000 They've got
100,000 there Where did all
these other ones How did they
get shipped there? Biden. Yes,
blame Abbott and the Texans who
is bullcrap they get nothing
very little to do with it.
Adam Curry: 19 seconds left,
Unknown: do not have upwards of
125,000 people over 60,000 in
shelters that can handle the
volume easier in other states
and that's what we want to
encourage people to do. This has
a cut off date. This has a
there's a time limit on it. So
the people that are here will be
able to benefit. But those who
come after have to understand
that it's a different dynamic
here in New York that we have
been generous. We have been
humanitarian in our response.
That's who we are. We're at
capacity.
Adam Curry: So now it all comes
home to roost and I'm, I'm very,
I'm truly, I sad for these
people who get on the beast
train, and who've traveled here
under great duress,
John C Dvorak: and they're in
gondolas. It looks like they're
headed to Auschwitz.
Adam Curry: And in a way they
kind of are. I mean, it's,
you're going from the fat into
the fire. I have seen this
happen in Europe for over 25
years. I remember I moved back
in 99, United almost 25 years.
The end the Netherlands was
never an immigration country. We
are an immigration country in
America, but asylum seekers is
different. You want to come into
America, please go through the
process. So that has just been
ignored and stimulated and you
know, the United Nations the una
I think United Nations migrant
agency, they're the ones that
are helping people giving them
debit cards to get I mean, this
is it. This is a globalist
takeover. And finally people are
starting to see it and it's here
to win Littlefoot is seeing it
yes nuts No, no, it's not this
is this is what I started my
preamble by saying people said
they aren't Yes, people are
seeing it now. The Texans have
seen it for a long time. And and
and finally people are going
hey, I mean here in
Fredericksburg, but El Paso in
other border towns, no, this is
going to explode. And I don't
know about New York. But there's
a number of Chicago seams on
edge now on edge and people are
not going to stand for it and I
mean this this has to end it
will end one way or the other
but it's when I don't think
anyone in America is going to
let it come to Swedish
proportions that's why we have
guns which is why they're trying
to take them away of course. But
this yeah COVID All this other
stuff people can disagree but
now you're seeing across the
political spectrum and probably
extreme left and extreme right
are our bonding together on
these things like ah hold on we
got to stop Okay, guys, you said
you you had some immigration
stuff from the last episode I
thought you would have those in
but you would be Oh, I
John C Dvorak: probably have to
go back to the last episode
list. I didn't move them over Do
I Have you said you had some so
obviously I do. This is Oh,
yeah, this is what this is
basically the cost of
immigration hearings. You can
look it up as cost of
immigration hearing clsd Okay,
yes, I have an h i am not
spelling because he can't
because Adam can't spell is
because I have to spell these
things out. Because half the
time that I'll spell something
and in fact, in this case, I got
capital Oh. I have to spell out
because I tend to typo to the to
a max.
Adam Curry: Well, it's okay from
episode to episode. But you
know, five years from now, it'd
be like what was that clear
John C Dvorak: problem.
Unknown: lawmakers expressed
contrasting opinions during the
House Committee on Homeland
Security's hearing called the
financial cost of May Yorker
says open border on Wednesday,
lawmakers examined the cost of
the millions of illegal
immigrants crossing into the
United States.
This crisis has cost Texas $5
billion last year $5 billion
this year, nine to $10 billion
next year.
Lawmakers also expressed how the
issue is impacting citizens
Adam Curry: in Brooks County,
Texas. sherpani Martinez said
that county officials took pay
cuts in order to afford the cost
of burying or cremating illegal
aliens found deceased on the US
side of the border man think
about that. Why can't we just
turn them into March? Gonna make
them mad? Just
John C Dvorak: stop there
because we need to make them
your mulch. Yeah, what happened
to that idea mulch? That's bull
crap. I don't believe that for a
minute. I'm going to take a pay
cut. So I can cremate these
corpses that are here there's
got to be funding for that.
Adam Curry: The name who is this
John C Dvorak: word that was the
source of this new story.
Adam Curry: Now what is this?
Yes, it
John C Dvorak: knows about Texas
some guys in Texas. Just play
the end of it again. You'll see
what I mean. Okay
Adam Curry: here we go.
cremating illegal aliens found
deceased go back in order to
afford worth the cost of burying
or cremating illegal aliens
found deceased on the US side of
the border? Think think about
that. They took a pay cut just
to bury the dead found at the
border. Now this is this is just
show business for Ugly people.
Oh, yeah. Think about that. When
you someone says think about
that. You're trying to compute
trying to tell people create the
image in your mind people taking
pay cuts, because they're so
humanitarian. There's some some
errors.
John C Dvorak: I said, It's bull
crap. But anyway, let's go into
clip to
Unknown: one of the witnesses
shared details about the
situation in Yuma, Arizona. We
have seen
women approaching the border in
labor. I've witnessed that
multiple times.
Adam Curry: This is also just
all show just you know, bringing
the human aspect Oh, it's
disgusting, to the point where
our emergency room and our
maternity ward was overrun.
Unknown: Some lawmakers pointed
to New York City Eric Adams
recent comments on the
immigration crisis which took
center stage at the hearing.
Never in
my life. Have I had a problem
that I did not see an end into.
I don't see an end into this. I
don't see an ending to this.
This issue will destroy New York
City, destroy New York City.
Adams recently said New York
City is expected to spend about
$5 billion this year and 6
billion next year to provide for
the immigrants. And the
Mississippi Congressman tried to
put the cost in perspective.
So the information you have
provided to us says that New
York will spend next year almost
as much money as the entire
state of Mississippi spends to
find our entire state
government.
But Democrats at the hearing
said the immigrants are helping
with the labor shortage and
Representative Daliah. Ramirez
said One Day Without Immigrants
would cause the US economy to
collapse
yet, we want to talk about how
much they're costing us. Here's
the thing, work permits.
Immigration reform, oh, they're
adequate visa so that people
don't have to come here
illegally. These are all
solutions that work to make this
country, the country of American
Dream, the country of freedom
and the country of the future.
Adam Curry: Oh, the country of
the future. Well, this was what
America has always been. But
you're supposed to come in
through. I mean, I have helped
many people come in legally.
John C Dvorak: Well, they're
due. I'm just going to go back
to California here for a second.
Yes. We used to have a program
that all was so bad because the
liberals were against it, even
though they're all for this,
which was called the Brasero
program, the Brasero program.
Yeah. So the Brasero is that
this ended in I don't know. I
don't know. I think it ended up
in Reagan's governorship. I'm
not sure when it ended. But it
just ended because the liberals
were all against it, even though
they're okay with what's going
on now. The Brasero program was
buses and buses of agricultural
laborers that yes, yes. Up from
Mexico and kept up in the fields
in the in the wineries and they
cabbage fields, they let us
fields, tomato fields indicate
kept there and in kind of two
lousy housing. And then, at the
end of the season, the growing
season, the Brasero rose would
be bussed back to Mexico.
Everybody was happy as a clam
with this idea.
Adam Curry: This end with
Operation Wetback Wasn't that
what what? It was like, oh, it's
trying to send y'all back like 3
million they sent back.
John C Dvorak: No, they always
said to Brasero is back. To
address
Adam Curry: the overwhelming
account of undocumented migrants
in the United States, the
Immigration and Naturalization
Service launched Operation
Wetback in June of 1954 as a way
to repatriate illegal laborers
back to Mexico.
John C Dvorak: So that's not the
Brasero program. It's
Adam Curry: what's under the
Brasero wiki page. I'm not
saying it's correct, but the
Brasero program got out of
control. I think that's what
happened.
John C Dvorak: Well, if 54
wasn't a peak of the Brasero it
may have later
Adam Curry: this was 57
operation went back was 57.
John C Dvorak: It may have later
but I vaguely remember the whole
thing being it was fine.
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, we I
believe that we had agricultural
people go down to the border and
say you you just like Home
Depot,
John C Dvorak: but you don't go
so far.
Adam Curry: Like you you.
Exactly. You You You boop come
on in you stay three months and
we send you back and they took
their money back. But now it's
like there's no agriculture in
New York per se that I'm aware
of it to the you know, like the
wineries and the avocados and,
and the nut trees
John C Dvorak: like growing in
New York. I love what we grow to
do everything they have a season
and they have an agricultural
season. So little limited, it's
but they grow everything that we
grow in California more or less,
do
Adam Curry: you think that those
400 and the half a million
Venezuelans are all going to be
in agriculture? One didn't
John C Dvorak: even consider
that. Not until you just
mentioned it. That's that would
be ironic, wouldn't it? Now all
only Mexicans. Michelle like
Kamla Harris
Adam Curry: is this a kicker you
have on this clip here.
Unknown: Recently, a video went
viral that showed migrants
riding on Mexican cargo trains
heading to the United States.
Now that Mexican freight company
has temporarily stopped 60
trains because 1000s of migrants
had been hitching rides to the
US border.
Adam Curry: I love the name
beast, Dre. I love that name.
John C Dvorak: What's
interesting about that train is
that just this was just
revealed, like, within the last
week or so, this train is not a
new train. Now it's been around
for a while, it's probably been
moving people, because you
always everyone wonders how
people get from, from Guatemala.
And then this is if they walked
the whole way through, you know,
all of Mexico, which is quite a
halls 1000s of miles to get to
the border. And then the all of
these poor people, both they're
all jumping on this train, and
it's been going on for a decade
or longer and not reported on.
Thank you media.
Adam Curry: So here's part of
the problem. You know, they're
saying, Well, I mean, we've
we've had the UN General
Assembly, you know, for the
whole past week, and it's all
it's all been about climate
change, climate change, all
about climate change, everything
climate change. And one of the
lies that is being that the
media tries to slip in, which
doesn't really work, but you
know, they're trying to do it is
these are climate change
refugees? No, they're not there.
They're literally we've heard
just get away with that. No,
they're not. But even if want it
to be agriculture, the elites
are, are. What's the term
there's, they're speaking
against themselves. They're
contradicting themselves to an
incredible degree. And I it's a
shorty, but I have to bring in
the climate czar, who spoke this
week, John Kerry. And he's very
clear, we can't have
agriculture. So I don't know
what all these people are going
to do in agriculture, because
where we eat will be in bugs.
Unknown: agriculture contributes
about 33% of all the emissions
of the world, just so we know.
It's 33%, depending a little bit
on how you count it, but it's
anywhere from 26 to 33.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, it's
depending on how you calculate
it. What does that even mean
watermelon? Between 26 and 33?
Well, that's almost 10%.
Unknown: And we can't get to net
zero. We don't get this job
done. Unless agriculture is
front and center is part of the
solution. But with a growing
population on the planet, we
just crossed the threshold of 8
billion fellow citizens around
the world. We just crossed that
and this last year, emissions
from the food system alone are
projected to cause another half
a degree of warming. Oh, no. By
mid century, on the current
course, that we are today.
Adam Curry: Okay, so with the
agriculture we have, we're going
to burn to death. So we need to
do something a two
Unknown: degree future.
Adam Curry: What is a two degree
future? Oh, no.
Unknown: could result in an
additional 600 million people
not getting enough to eat?
Adam Curry: So
John C Dvorak: if the case care
of itself, then doesn't it?
Well, you'd think it's like your
old Peak Oil argument. Remember?
Adam Curry: Yeah, we have too
much agriculture too many
people. So if we keep on going,
we'll have less people sounds
like nature,
Unknown: and you just can't
continue to both warm the planet
while also expecting to feed it.
Adam Curry: Okay. So we can't
have agriculture while expecting
to feed people with agriculture.
But this is literally what he's
saying.
John C Dvorak: So he's, the guy
is off the rails.
Adam Curry: And you know, he has
such a lizard tongue, which, as
we know, you know, the CIA has
John C Dvorak: darting in and
out constantly. Yes, what he's
eating while he's talking.
Adam Curry: Well, what that
means the CIA interrogation
handbook says when someone
sticks their tongue out while
they're speaking, that means
like they're spitting out a lie,
you know, as BS BA and he's
doing this contented, and he
doesn't have a lizard pointy
tongue. It's disgusting,
Unknown: doesn't work. So we
have to reduce emissions from
the food system to keep the 1.5
degrees alive. Why do we have to
keep 1.5 degrees? Because
scientists
Adam Curry: Ah, here we go. Why?
Why do we have to keep under
that 1.5 degree of warming?
Because scientists
Unknown: as a basis of physics
and mathematics,
Adam Curry: which is physics
Because the mathematics,
Unknown: not ideology and
politics or party labels or
anything else, as a matter of
physics and mathematics, and
some biology and chemistry,
Adam Curry: some biology,
Olympiad science is physics,
mathematics, some biology and
chemistry
Unknown: told us these are the
consequences. And we already see
it happening. And almost
everything they've predicted for
30 plus years now,
John C Dvorak: has been wrong
way.
Adam Curry: I want to I want
everybody to hear him say this,
because it's great classes.
Unknown: And we already see it
happening. And almost everything
they've predicted for 30 plus
years now is coming true. But
the problem is, it's coming
through faster and bigger Oh,
than was in fact
Adam Curry: predicted. So not
only for the past 30 years has
everything come true. But it's
been coming true faster than
they ever predicted? Faster? I
say. Well, let's let's think
about this. Let's go back to
1978. And listen to Mr. Spock
Leonard Nimoy with his famous
climate change documentary
climate experts believe the next
Ice Age
Unknown: is on its way.
According to recent evidence, it
could come sooner than anyone
can expect.
And weather stations in
the far north, temperatures have
been dropping for 30 years. Long
three of summer ice are now
blocked year round. According to
some climatologists, within a
lifetime, we might be living in
the next Ice Age.
Adam Curry: Well, John, both you
and I were alive in 1978. within
our lifetime has it? Have we
come into the ice age?
John C Dvorak: I haven't seen
anything change,
Adam Curry: and no agenda
episodes. 358. Let's go back and
listen to what we're talking
about. More than 10 years ago,
we can't really bring up the
fact that you know, it's
everyone's freezing their ass
off in the UK, were we supposed
to have no snow ever again,
children would only know snow
globes, and they would know
movies with snow. That's
John C Dvorak: what they said.
And we have to accept that fact.
And by the way, if there's so
much record heat every year, why
are there only two days left of
natural gas?
Adam Curry: The record heat or
was it snow? I don't know. We in
1960s. We knew Paul Ehrlich, who
is still still around, I'm still
working for the White House told
us very clearly, there's too
many people. This, this has
within 10 years it's we're going
to reach a tipping point,
Unknown: the US could be busting
out at the seams by the end of
the century. If we do not buy
humane means limit our numbers,
then numbers are going to be
limited by more famines and
shortages and consequent social
conflicts. The idea
that human population was
outstripping the Earth's ability
to support mankind was a
powerful one. And it was one man
Stanford biologists Paul Ehrlich
population growth will kill you
stone cold dead, who pushed the
dramatic message home if we
continue to let population grow.
And if we continue to exploit
the underdeveloped countries, if
we continue to pollute the seas,
with a wide variety of compounds
and so on, it's very difficult
for me to figure things holding
together for more than another
decade or so.
Adam Curry: Oh, so by 1980, we
should have been in dire straits
and dead and completely gone.
But oh, all these predictions,
Unknown: and we already see it
happening and almost everything
they've predicted for 30 plus
years now is coming true, but
the problem is it's coming
through faster and bigger than
was in fact
Adam Curry: Yes, come on.
John C Dvorak: The funny thing
about air Lake is a book that he
did after the did The Population
Bomb which is the race bomb. Oh,
the Rena color prejudiced and
intelligent worse
Adam Curry: these people are out
these the racists I mean that
now we even have our goodness, I
forgot to clip it. There was a
woman on C span. And she called
in she says watermelons are
exploding from climate change.
And it turns out there's some
subpar shipment of watermelons.
And if you leave them out in the
heat, you know, they start to
ferment on the inside. Yeah,
that can happen that can happen
but it's not like global warming
is making watermelons explode
load. It reminds me of okay, I
got to do this. Now. This is
because this has to stop with.
We are here as conspiracy
therapists to help you and I and
I'm going to help you in a very
specific way. So this has not
stopped this and I think this
this guy Jason Sherpa may be
ground zero of what is the
absolutely In medical
documentation, radiofrequency
activated nano liposomes can be
used for controlled combination
drug delivery. There's what is
this article, sound waves power,
new advances in drug delivery
and smart materials. You know,
they've been using ultrasonic
waves to kill cancer cells for
quite a while now, although you
don't hear much about it because
God forbid we solve something
rather keep those people sick.
But this guy has got a large
portion of doom scrollers really
riled up,
Unknown: I was asked to share
the following message with the
world. Remember, I'm only the
messenger what you choose to do
with this information is up to
you and your own free will. And
October 4 at 2:22pm Eastern
Time, now Emergency Broadcast
System will be activated across
the entire United States. Under
the leadership of FEMA disguised
as a test. This test will be
used to send a specific high
frequency signal to devices like
smartphones, radios and TVs with
the intention of activating
graphene oxide, and other
nanoparticles that have been
inserted into billions of human
beings around the world through
the obvious mediums are the ones
that will be affected regardless
of your status. The plan is to
also do this and Israel at the
same exact time. Yeah, there are
certain organizations that are
doing their best to stop this
and both Israel and the United
States. Hopefully, they will be
able to stop this and stopping
this in Israel looks promising.
But stopping this in the United
States is still up in the air.
This will also include Puerto
Rico, Hawaii, and Alaska. Yeah,
the October 4 date does not
occur for any reason, the backup
plan will be to do it on October
11. At the same time, in the
case that this is not able to be
stopped, I asked you all to shut
off your phones and all other
relevant devices at 2pm, Eastern
Time for a period of two hours
to be safe. This type of
wavelength can affect us
physically, mentally, and
emotionally. I urge you all to
protect yourself. And I ask you
all to share this video far and
wide. Thank you very much for so
Adam Curry: this has been shared
far and wide and including the
patent on this technology. Yes.
You had a question?
John C Dvorak: Does anyone does
he have any clue about how
speaker systems work?
Adam Curry: Well, thank you. So
now this technology if there is
real ultrasonic ultrasonic
therapies that are being used,
it's called What's it called
Sano chemistry. And these and
the frequency range for this to
work is 10 kilohertz to three
megahertz. Now, I would say and
this is what I think you're
you're about to say is that most
speakers kind of drop off at 22
kilohertz. So you're not you're
never going to get a tone.
John C Dvorak: Let's be
realistic. 22 If a speaker can
attribute actually hit 22
kilohertz, you got a hell of an
expensive speaker on
Adam Curry: your hands and amp
and amplifier.
John C Dvorak: And right you
also need the amplifier that can
handle that kind of frequency
accurately. There's not enough
people don't have that.
Adam Curry: Well, just to make
sure. I want to inoculate all of
the no agenda producers. By
activating your nanoparticles. I
am going to take it up to 20
kilohertz this May this may
shorten this may reduce our
audience significantly, John,
I'm at five kilohertz people are
starting to get activated.
People maybe I think we're at an
eight kilohertz. We're at nine.
I think we're about to start
killing people. John, we're into
10 I can't hear it any more
nanoparticles are being
activated from here to Israel
14 1516 at 20 kilohertz, Are we
dead?
John C Dvorak: Are you there? So
it was my computer speaker
system. The drop off? If you're
actually we're trying to
transmit anything beyond five,
it really ends at five you can't
you're not gonna come out and
even get 10
Adam Curry: I could still hear
10 I could say I couldn't
John C Dvorak: hear 10 on these
speakers.
Adam Curry: So I'm looking at
the troll room. I do not see
anyone who had death in the
room. And then people many
people have made it.
Congratulations, you made it
You're safe. You're safe for the
FEMA test. Although some dogs
famous, some dogs did not.
John C Dvorak: There's another
there is a nother
Adam Curry: by the way. They
need to people need to get on on
social media right now and tell
them not to listen to episode
1593 have no agenda because it
will kill them. It will activate
the nanoparticles that have been
introduced into their bodies by
the obvious means.
John C Dvorak: Yes, so
Supposedly, the tick that was
developed and Plum Island to
give you a meat allergy. This
one?
Adam Curry: Well, I happen to
have a conversation,
John C Dvorak: it was designed
to be repelled by a five G
signal. And the reason and the
standard chick got out and it's
starting to give people these
meat allergies, which are
ruined. You just basically
Adam Curry: go the Alpha gal,
the lone star tick Alpha gal.
Yes,
John C Dvorak: that lone star
star chit tick. And so they had
to roll out 5g in a hurry to
push these ticks away.
Adam Curry: This one I had not
heard.
John C Dvorak: We had this at
the dinner table from JC who had
heard it.
Adam Curry: And did he believe
it? I don't think so. But we had
dinner last night with the ER
doctor and his wife. And and,
and he was quite aware of the he
was quite aware of the Alpha gal
adjuvant in vaccines and had
some thoughts on that which
disagree with the Plum Island 5g
idea. In addition to that, I
asked him point blank, have you
seen an uptick in what we would
call vaccine adverse events? He
says, Oh, yeah. Everybody we
know in healthcare is saying
this
John C Dvorak: course they are,
they would say if you remember
from the very from the get go
and all these nurses were
quitting, because they rather
quit and get the jab, which cuts
is a problem that exists till
today. There was hearing we had
those early stories about the
bad periods and the blood flows.
And all these things were the
women and it went on and on and
on right at the beginning of art
when we started introducing
these these issues to the show,
when we first heard about the
COVID thing being a bio weapon,
or at least manufactured or
engineered, which is right at
the beginning it was the very
beginning of 2020. So the fact
that it's continuing after
billions of shots and surprise
anybody well, we might
Adam Curry: as well bring it in
now because that's the other
thing that is blanketing the
mainstream M five M elite
messaging system airwaves
besides tones that will kill you
how many people
Unknown: are actually getting
the COVID vaccine right now?
What are you seeing and hearing
from patients.
I'm hearing a lot of interest
from people who are paying
attention to headlines,
especially those who are high
risk
Adam Curry: of getting a lot of
attention from people who are
paying attention to headlines.
Listen to listen to what they're
saying. I'm
Unknown: hearing a lot of
interest from people who are
paying attention to headlines,
especially those who are high
risk. He's
Adam Curry: not lying people who
pay attention to headlines and
don't read the story. Mainly
because it's behind a paywall
these days, they're like, Oh, I
saw a headline.
Unknown: So people who have
underlying chronic medical
disease, they're
immunocompromised, weak immune
systems, parents of younger
children, and even people who
might be hanging out with
someone who's above the age of
60 or 65. Now we obviously have
all her eyes on those numbers
from the last booster, we're
less than 20% of people who were
eligible went out and got it but
a higher percentage people of
the age of 65 did so right now
we're looking at right now is an
interest of people getting it
but making sure that they have
access, they know where to get
it and that they're going to be
available to all communities
regardless of socioeconomic
status
Adam Curry: via not free but
available to all community. So
now we have a situation where
the the true owners of the
messaging which is the
advertisers, which for
television for mainstream is the
pharmaceutical industry, just
take a look at the ads. They
have a triple a triple play now
we've got COVID we've got flu
and RSV
Unknown: in tonight's
Healthwatch breaking news. CDC
has just approved Pfizer's new
vaccine aimed at protecting
infants from the respiratory
illness RSV. The shot now
available in some places is
recommended for moms who are 32
to 36 weeks pregnant. Health
officials say in the first six
months after birth, a vaccine
can reduce a baby's risk of RSV
hospitalization by 57%.
Adam Curry: So it's a vaccine.
It's the same type of great
vaccine that Pfizer is brought
to you before the one that gives
you a percentage of protection.
They're starting off now at 57%.
How was that a vaccine? How, how
was that?
John C Dvorak: Do you remember
when you first had that paper
that one of these vaccine
companies produced
Adam Curry: it was 90 Fighting?
What was 95% for the COVID?
John C Dvorak: No, no, I'm
talking about back in the day
when you when you found a paper
that they were presenting to
investors showing that the
vaccines a big moneymaker
Adam Curry: because because you
can give medicine to people who
aren't sad. So they
John C Dvorak: in their in as we
discussed this day we're going
to do a anti smoking vaccine.
They were calling things
vaccines that weren't vaccines
back then. And then when we came
to mRNA, which is anything
bought a vaccine it's been it's
a crapshoot. Now. Now they've
divided you that a vaccine is
the is to stop something is, I
don't even think anyone thinks
that anymore.
Adam Curry: Well, if we go to
the Today Show, who are the
primary promoters of all things,
pharmaceutical, they're all
excited about what Dr. Natalie
Azhar has to say,
Unknown: we are back with
today's checklist, by all means
come to sweaters and coats and
drinks. But it also means we are
on alert for flu COVID and RSV,
so
Adam Curry: we are on alert for
flu COVID Or it's that it's that
time of the year again, get used
to be Hey, we're getting ready
for Christmas. We're getting
ready for Halloween around the
corner. We've got spice pumpkin
lattes. No, no, now it's now
we're looking at her all day
ready to
John C Dvorak: get sick
Unknown: COVID And RSP. So we
have some good news for you this
morning free at home COVID tests
will be available again started
Adam Curry: free at home COVID.
John C Dvorak: You know how many
of those tests I've collected so
far? About 20? At least 20. I
have a box full of them at
different brands. I got a whole
slew of them. Because they were
giving to me that the pharmacy
had a little thing it'd be you
pick up a prescription what's a
free COVID tests just ask. So
they give me a bundle of them.
And then they go back. Another
bundle and you get to free was a
mailed to you at the beginning
from the government. They get
that free ones and dropping them
off left and right. There's so
many of these tests.
Adam Curry: You got a bundle of
them? Well, there's they're
coming back the so again,
someone's benefiting free tests.
Unknown: NBC News Medical
contributor, Dr. Natalie Azar is
here to walk us through all of
the vaccines and boosters out
there, the more
Adam Curry: of the vaccines and
the boosters and the nasal
sprays. And it's all groovy.
Unknown: It'll walk us through
all of the vaccines and boosters
out there. Good morning. I got
my free COVID test yesterday.
Adam Curry: I got my I got my
FICO, which is yesterday says
right here my script. I gotta
say that,
Unknown: um, so let's start with
the flu vaccine.
Adam Curry: Let's start with
that. By the way. We one of the
trolls did point out the
definition of vaccine has
changed in the dictionary.
John C Dvorak: No, we noticed
that when it happened, it
happened on our watch. I know.
Adam Curry: But I just want to
remind everybody that a vaccine
is no longer what it was. It's
what they said it was going to
be 1213 years ago when they had
a big conference. They were
talking it wasn't your smoking.
It was cocaine addiction. It was
all kinds of stuff. Okay, yeah,
I
John C Dvorak: remember the
cocaine was a good one.
Unknown: So let's start with the
flu vaccine. Let's talk about
it. Who needs to get it? When
should they get it all this
stuff? Okay, so
everybody with a few exceptions
over the age of six months is
eligible to get the flu shot. We
recommend to get it by the end
of October. It takes about two
weeks for those protective
antibodies to kick in.
Adam Curry: Remember, this was
the end of October, this was
mascot mask for Halloween.
Unknown: That's what you have to
keep in mind. Flu season is
starting about now and heads
into the winter. If you're 65
and older, there's a couple high
dose shots that you are with the
rest of us in sort of that
middle bell curve. It doesn't
matter which one you get because
there's a lot of different flu
shot flu shots out there.
Adam Curry: What since what is
this middle bell curve?
John C Dvorak: I liked the high
dose shot. Let's kill the old
people. They did these other
shots haven't done the job.
Right dose high
Adam Curry: dose Yeah, if you're
over 65 Take the high dose.
Don't worry, you'll be mulch
before you know it. What
Unknown: about the nasal spray?
nasal spray? You know it's all
excited. Wow. nasal spray.
What about the nasal spray?
Nasal spray you know every every
couple of years we find out oh
maybe it doesn't work as well as
the injectable one but it is
available this year and it is a
great option for little kids.
This
Adam Curry: literally is like
selling the pumpkin spice latte
is available this you Oh right.
This is called the nasal spray
Unknown: or needle phobic is
indicated for people between the
ages of two and 49. But here's
the 40 Oh, I
Adam Curry: miss out. I can't do
the nasal spray.
Unknown: There are a couple of
exceptions to it. Because I'm
going to
John C Dvorak: hold on a sec.
I'm not in the bell curve. What
difference does it make if you
can if it works, it works. What
is it? Do you think this spray
goes up your nose and goes how
old is this guy?
Adam Curry: And that's why we
love you John C divorce
Unknown: vaccine and kids
between two and 17 who are
taking aspirin and other certain
medications are not meant to get
it.
Adam Curry: Oh, what? When you
can't use a nasal spray if
you're taking aspirin.
John C Dvorak: Well, that's not
a good thing for Bayer. There's
not
Adam Curry: a good product from
whoever's pushing the spray
Unknown: vaccine. So no, it's
between two and seven. A teen
who are taking aspirin and other
certain medications are not
meant to get it.
Adam Curry: So if you're 18
you're taking aspirin, it's
okay.
John C Dvorak: I mean, this is
you confusing
Unknown: people with weakened
immune systems, pregnant people
and there's a few other people
were thinking about getting the
nasal spray. Check with your doc
first just to make sure
Adam Curry: it's a good catch
pregnant people. Okay, thanks.
There's more though. That's it
because you know, RSV. Now this
is a problem and I think they're
being a little cavalier about
it. But remember, the whole idea
was you can get your RSV get
your flu shot, get your COVID
Chatbot. But are there any side
effects?
Unknown: Let's talk about RSV
for milk here because we know
the FDA just approved that first
ever RSV vaccine in infants and
toddlers if
Adam Curry: I'm throwing up in
my mouth from this like Josh.
Yeah, yeah. You get Are you paid
per time you say something like
that? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh,
yes. Exciting is talk about
John C Dvorak: you remember the
old get maybe the show still on
the air that the mayor of
Cincinnati guy had a talk show
where they people get the fights
on the SAT and throw shoes, they
pull a shoe off and throw it?
It's more? It's Maury Pomorie.
No, not Maury Povich, the other
guy, Jerry Springer. Jerry
Springer. Jerry Springer, there
was somebody that I don't know
if I removed I was from this
story, but some day because you
had to sign an NDA when he did
the Springer show. Spring you're
literally had a fee schedule. If
you did this or that you'd get
paid if you told us you get more
money bucks got out of your
chair in a threatening manner
you get like 50 bucks. If you
did this if you threw a chair
you get like 100 There's all the
it was a fee schedule that would
create these people that do want
to fight because hell yeah, you
make a lot of money. Now it's
possible that this is going on
as we speak with this word with
the clip you're playing that
there's a fee schedule. So if
you say yeah, or Oh, right, is
there any of these things just
possibly get paid more money
Adam Curry: or you get invited
to the big you know, Pfizer
Christmas party and you get
gifts and you get you know, what
a
Unknown: bag, goodie bag
Adam Curry: these days people
are getting gold bars and
getting Mercedes you know, we're
on the wrong side of all this my
friend.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we've
always been.
Unknown: Let's talk about RSP
formula here because we know the
FDA just approved that first
ever RSV vaccine. Yeah. There's
if I'm not mistaken, they're
especially susceptible to sort
of dose also get the vaccine
getting
the vaccine. So yeah, so for for
little ones. This is great. We
have a pre
Adam Curry: for little ones.
This is great. We jab me jab
murdy We jerem jab them off. Hey
guys, where's my swag bag?
Unknown: Cardinal antibody for
little neonates and infants born
in the neonates?
Adam Curry: Oh, come on,
neonates. This is this is
children who literally have just
been born. Yeah. Neo and you
call them neonates,
John C Dvorak: neonates when
maybe the kids names Nate
Unknown: or Neil This is great.
They we have approved now
something called a monoclonal
antibody for little neonates and
infants born in the in their
first RSV season.
Adam Curry: Oh, this Johnny, I
don't know. But it's his first
RSV RSV season, it's the first
season of his life it's known as
the RSV season, these people are
ghouls, they are selling
horrible products that don't be
ashamed
John C Dvorak: of themselves as
broadcasters, this is what
broadcasting has become. The
vast wasteland is worse than
ever.
Unknown: Good point. But for
individuals 60 and older, there
are now two different RSV
vaccines that are available. No,
Adam Curry: not one. There's
two. That's a bonanza, I'm
telling you Bonanza
Unknown: buddy be getting it not
necessarily. We are yes talking
about older adults, people with
chronic heart or lung disease
people with weakened immune
systems, people living in
nursing homes or long term care
facilities. Now a lot of people
say well, can I get the RSV shot
with the flu shot? If you
absolutely must. You probably
yes, but the CDC has some data
that maybe the flu shot won't be
as effective if you get it with
the RSV so
Adam Curry: what is it? So the
CDC has some data. This is a
warning signal, as far as I'm
concerned that if you get the
RSV with the flu shot, the flu
shot won't be as effective. Why
not? What is wrong with either
one of those or both of those?
That doesn't mean don't explain
they don't
Unknown: mean probably yes, but
the CDC has some data that maybe
the flu shot, effective if
you've got it with the RSV so
I'm going to make a
recommendation to my patients to
separate RSP from fluid it's not
for kids. Nope. This is for
soaking up. The little ones get
something called a monoclonal
antibody. They were approved
around the same time. It's
really great news still
John C Dvorak: Right now why is
the kid getting a monoclonal
antibody when they're not sick?
Adam Curry: Have you asked too
many questions? No swag bag for
you. Now let's, let's talk about
the booster. Oh, I'm so sorry
John C Dvorak: for the parents
who are jacking these kids up
every damn thing that comes
along just because somebody on
today's show thought it was a
good idea.
Adam Curry: Well know someone on
the Today Show got a swag bag to
promote it. Well, this is why we
exist. So at least we have
John C Dvorak: to end
advertising, drug company
advertising. That's why nobody
in the world does it or allows
it because they know it's
dangerous. It corrupts the
media. It has to be stopped. The
only two countries that allowed
are the United States and New
Zealand to screwed up countries
because of it that letting the
pharmaceutical companies push
everyone around. This has got to
end. That's took Kennedy Let's
talk.
Adam Curry: Let's Wow, an
endorsement. Let's talk about
the booster. Oh, can we call it
a booster? Should we need some
marketing help on this? What
about the COVID
Unknown: booster? So we have a
coke COVID burst? And
Adam Curry: really this is this
makes my stomach turn the way
that COVID Does the Gildan COVID
boasts the COVID COVID. What
about the COVID
Unknown: booster so we have a
COVID booster this year, and
we're probably going to stop
calling it booster we're going
to say updated vaccine just like
we update the flu shot
Adam Curry: no like you update
your software like you update
your windows, because that's
what it is. It's an update to
your technology. That's what the
whole promise was of the mRNA
platform. It's a software
upgrade. It's an update
Unknown: in vaccine just like we
update the flu shot every year.
This is targeting the XB V
strain that was prominent in
spring and summer, but it is
going to cover the current
circulating strains which are
different than that one. And it
is okay to get the COVID and the
flu shot at the same time. We've
been saying that for a couple of
years
Adam Curry: now. Yeah, well,
let's just let's just wrap this
up.
Unknown: Is there a logic so I
just got my flu shot. You know,
I was scared, but I did it
scared
Adam Curry: but I was scared but
I got my flu shot. I
John C Dvorak: wasn't scared but
I got scared of a flu shot.
Adam Curry: Because it was just
scared. You know, she didn't
needles. She's just scared. And
I you know,
Unknown: is there a logic? So I
just got my flu shot. You know,
I was scared, but I did it
right?
Just you're always scared. I
know. You're saying but I pick
it up and I get it done.
Adam Curry: I sucked it up and I
got it done. You're brave. But
for some reason what a lot of
people are like me, me by the
same logic can't help and mock
these people. This is so so
horrible. I mean, if you just
you know, the problem is if
you're eating your breakfast,
you got the kids running around,
you hear half of this you like
oh, hey, kids, have to pick you
up after school. Don't take any
aspirin. You gotta get your flu
shot. I don't want you to get
hurt me. But for
Unknown: some reason with the
COVID booster a lot of people
are like me. Should we apply the
same logic that is just an
updated?
John C Dvorak: Second? I hate to
interrupt. No, I love it. But
didn't this whole thing begin
with the chatter that was going
on about you know, these these
clips? The chatter everyone's
talking about getting the shots
Great. Now all of a sudden this
Adam Curry: Well, I have the CDC
director next and there's a lot
of me she will commit to nothing
about this because they now know
that the pharmaceutical industry
is selling their product and
they know it's no good at best
ineffective at worst harmful
Unknown: for the CDC and
communication. Yes, yes for an
individual there are so
Adam Curry: did you see what she
says she says for the CDC and
communication? Yes. Let's listen
to the question again.
Unknown: Did I mean it should we
should we apply the same logic
that is just an updated
so it first for the CDC and
communication? Yes. What does
Adam Curry: that mean so for the
marketing no
John C Dvorak: idea why they
emphatic yes. Because I
Adam Curry: think when she says
for the CDC and communication
she means marketing. So for the
marketing Yes, it's an updated
Yes, it's an updated Oh, it's
not a booster? Yes. I think this
is marketing, their marketing
chemicals to you and your
children. cavalierly
Unknown: you're always scared I
know. You're saying but but for
some reason with the COVID
booster a lot of people are like
we do not mean it should we
should we apply the same logic
that is just an updated
so it first for the CDC and
communication? Yes, for an
individual there are so much
nuance to this. Oh no. I think I
would just say that the booster
and updated shot with of the
COVID shot gives you protection
against infection for A number
of months and then that
declines. protection against
severe disease is more durable
than the flu vaccine. So if
you've been boosted with COVID
before if you've had a COVID
infection if you've
Adam Curry: been boosted with
COVID What exactly what she said
if you've been boosted with
COVID
Unknown: action against severe
disease is more durable than the
flu vaccine. So if you've been
boosted with COVID before if
you've had,
John C Dvorak: oh, you know what
she said? She actually literally
said that she said, she said
now's equates having COVID with
getting a booster shot. Yep, if
you've been, you've been boosted
by COVID by getting COVID Then
like getting COVID Wow, let's
listen to
Unknown: the COVID shot gives
you protection against infection
for a number of months and then
that declines. protection
against severe disease is more
durable than the flu vaccine. So
if you've been boosted with
COVID before if you've had a
COVID infection, you are still
protected against severe
disease.
Adam Curry: Wow, what an
admission before I mean, just a
few years ago I distinctly
remember no no no no no, no, no
no you think you have you have
some kind of immunity because
you got COVID No, no back in
your home you don't come to work
don't go they'll go nuts because
don't come to school. Get your
backs get your backs because you
have you don't have immunity
just because you say you had it
and now we've changed boy I'm
glad I have a memory that goes
back at least a couple of years.
Unknown: So if you're in that
bell curve, young adult a bell
curve again.
Adam Curry: What's the bell
curve?
John C Dvorak: I don't know why
they keep bringing the bell
curve. You're in the bell curve
Adam Curry: but that means the
bell curve that you've all heard
that you have must be the
immunity bell curve or
something.
John C Dvorak: So if you're in
that age bell curve,
Adam Curry: oh no, no, she's
saying that if you've been
boosted with COVID I'm going to
start saying that are you a
vaccine? I've been boosted with
COVID
John C Dvorak: Perfect. I'm
gonna start saying it to most
men ever had COVID I've been
boosted with no COVID
Adam Curry: You've been boosted
with with your
John C Dvorak: immune system
Hello,
Unknown: hello can severe
disease is more durable than the
flu vaccine. So if you've been
boosted with COVID before, if
you've had a COVID infection,
you are still protected against
severe disease. So if you're in
that bell curve, young adult
otherwise reasonably healthy,
talk to your doctor about
getting an updated shots again
from a public health population
perspective. They sent a yes
whether you had it or get a lot
of nuance,
right. There's so good.
John C Dvorak: Oh my god, how
long does this go on? This is
the last one. How does anybody
watch this show?
Adam Curry: I love how she says
you're so good at promoting
pharmaceutical products. You're
so good. Thank you, y'all. I'll
see you at the party swag bag
fall. Yes, girlfriend,
Unknown: the anaesthetic guys.
Yes. Whether you had it or get a
lot of new ones are so good.
Adam Curry: Seriously, I mean,
seriously, you're so good. You
really helped out with that ad
is so good. So we have a CDC
director, Dr. Mandy Cohen. And
since you know, this is all very
confusing. We need to hear about
you know, from the authorities
who are in charge of this. Is
this safe? Do we need it? What's
going on? The first thing we
need to do is politicize it.
Unknown: How good is CDC done
with all due respect over the
last few years how many people
trust CDC at this point, I was
in the trenches during COVID.
They were citing flimsy studies
saying that masks will stop
COVID One of the things that I
said is when I come in, we're
going to have a reckoning about
all these COVID policies.
Those are words spoken this week
by Republican presidential
candidate and Florida Governor
Ron DeSantis. During the height
of the pandemic, Americans trust
in the CBD slipped compared to
other government agencies as
changing science around the
Coronavirus led to shifting CDC
guidelines to
Adam Curry: listen listen to
what you say, as changing
science. Because the science is
always in is always right. Trust
the scientists but the science
changed.
John C Dvorak: It makes no sense
Unknown: or it's spoken this
week by Republican presidents of
Canada and Florida Governor Ron
DeSantis. During the height of
the pandemic, Americans trust in
the CBD slipped compared to
other government agencies as
changing science around the
Coronavirus led to shifting CDC
guidelines. In 2002. A Kaiser
Family Foundation poll found
more than a quarter of Americans
still don't trust the agency to
provide reliable information
about COVID vaccines. Even the
former CDC director said this
about the CDC is COVID response
quote To be frank, we are
responsible for some pretty
dramatic pretty public mistakes,
from testing to data to
communications. And while most
Americans have moved on from
COVID If you look at the numbers
the virus of course is still
here.
Adam Curry: Our time to look at
the numbers check the bell curve
the virus is still here. What
are you thinking stupid people
Unknown: hospitalizations have
been on the right since July
with weekly admissions now more
than triple what they were just
two months ago,
Adam Curry: maybe five oh, they
John C Dvorak: went from one to
three.
Adam Curry: I think three to
nine is what I was gonna
suggest. Yes, triple Joining us
Unknown: now for her very first
CNN interview the new CDC
director, Dr. Mandy Cohen.
Adam Curry: All right, Dr. Mandy
Cohen, we have a new face. We've
got a new round new chances.
Let's bring it home. Dr. Mandy
Cohen. Dr.
Unknown: Cohen, thank you so
much for joining us this
morning. I want to start with we
heard from Ron DeSantis. He has
basically I
Adam Curry: want to start with
nothing about medical medicine.
I just want to start with
politics.
Unknown: Mandy Cohen. Dr. Cohen,
thank you so much for joining us
this morning. I want to start
with we heard from Ron DeSantis.
He has basically told people
that 65 And over not to get the
booster shot. What do you make
of his comments?
Adam Curry: Well, where do you
do that? Well, you heard at the
beginning of that clip,
John C Dvorak: he said not to
get the booster shots. No, he
didn't say that. But she claims.
Adam Curry: Of course.
Unknown: Well, first, Sarah,
thanks for having me on. I want
to make sure that Americans know
that last week, the CDC did
recommend an updated COVID
vaccine for everyone. Notice
Adam Curry: the marketing
language, not booster. It's an
updated COVID vaccine. She's all
in
Unknown: scene for everyone over
the age of six months. These are
vaccines that we've given out
600 million of these doses we've
saved so many lives are created.
These vaccines are safe, they're
effective. We want to make sure
folks protect themselves going
into the fall and winter season
when we know we're going to see
more COVID circulating. Okay,
Adam Curry: that's about the
extent of what shall go in this
interview. They're safe and
effective, which is what we've
heard continuously safe and
effective. Let's get into it.
Because obviously we go from
politics to the internet,
because you know, people can't
do that. There are podcasters
out there who are mocking you
Dr. Mandy Cohen, CDC director,
there's there's people on
Brighty on and rumble there who
are not toeing the line. What
are we going to do with this
misinformation is
disinformation, its problems.
Unknown: We've seen a lot of
misinformation, disinformation
and conspiracy theories,
Adam Curry: conspiracy theories.
Oh, no. What how is it a
conspiracy theory? What's the
conspiracy theory? Okay, I'm
sorry.
John C Dvorak: The vaccine
doesn't work as a conspiracy
theory.
Adam Curry: And maybe she's
talking about the the
nanoparticle guy with the
John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
But maybe that is a conspiracy.
That is a conspiracy Russian
Unknown: disinformation and
conspiracy theories on online,
especially about the vaccines
and
Adam Curry: online especially.
We're conspiracy therapists and
young lady
Unknown: now you have a governor
who is pushing some of this
thing that Floridians are being
used as guinea pigs, and he's
just not going to allow it. What
is your response to his state?
Adam Curry: Did he said that to
you said that they were guinea
pigs. I mean, remember that this
sounds like an actual conspiracy
theory to me that he said all
these things. I did hear that?
Unknown: Well, first, I want
folks to know that these
vaccines have been thoroughly
and independently reviewed both
by the FDA and CDC experts.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Thoroughly
and independently reviewed.
They've been tested on mice.
There's no human trials of this
later this updated vaccine.
Unknown: But you know, I'm not
just the CDC director. I'm also
a mom.
Adam Curry: Owner. I'm also the
owner of the Hair Club for Men.
No, but this is interesting. I'm
also a mom. Now now seeing as
she's the CDC director, and
she's a mom, you would think
that she has been Vaxxed double
Vax, double boosted had the same
done for her family for
children. Would you agree?
John C Dvorak: I would say she'd
been double Vaxxed and at least
double boosted if not
Adam Curry: triple boosted. And
let's listen and see. We can
hear that.
Unknown: But you know, I'm not
just a CDC director. I'm also a
mom and a wife and a daughter. I
wouldn't recommend something to
the American people I wouldn't
recommend for my own family, my
daughters who are nine and 11. I
plan to have them get
vaccinated. I'm getting
vaccinated my husband,
Adam Curry: wait a minute.
Shouldn't she say updated
vaccine? It sounds the way she
says this. It sounds like she
hasn't been vaccinated at all.
John C Dvorak: That's exactly
what it sounds like. And maybe
that's true and you're in what
you're doing is parsing reality.
Unknown: I plan to have them get
vaccinated. I'm getting
vaccinated my husband of course
my parents who are over 65 are
at the highest risk certainly
want them to get protected. But
really unfortunately COVID is
still here with us. I know we
all wish it would be gone but it
is here with us. But the good
news is we have tools that are
safe and effective to protect
ourselves
Adam Curry: now Okay, so tools
again for school safe and
effective tool. So are these
tools masks let's let's get into
the mask. Specifically mask. Can
you give us an answer do masks
works.
Unknown: I want to ask you about
the recent uptick because I've
seen the numbers go up over the
last month or so. With that
recent uptick. There are several
school districts that are now
requiring masks once again. Is
that a good Paul? See, is that
something that should be
happening that we go back to
masking at this point?
Adam Curry: So from the CDC
director, I would expect either
Yes. It's a good policy because
masks work, or no, it's not a
good policy because children
are,
John C Dvorak: say need to
breathe, breathe fresh air, not
their own X fluent their
Adam Curry: own good word that
choking on their own X fluence.
They can't see each other's
facial expressions, it's very
bad for child development,
either one I would accept from
her. But
Unknown: you know, we're in a
different place than we were
before we're outside of the
emergency by COVID is still with
us. And we know that we have
tools to protect us and answer
the question with your tools.
We've been talking about
vaccines being one and I hope
everyone gets an updated
vaccine. But we have others
testing treatment and other
common sense solution. And yes,
mask masking is one of those
solutions that folks could
choose to you to
Adam Curry: see how cagey she is
now. See what she's doing? Yes,
we have other tools. And yes,
mask is something people could
choose to
Unknown: use protect themselves
from this virus, it's important
to know your own risk. Are you
around folks who are older or
who have underlying conditions,
then we need to use more layers
of protection.
Adam Curry: He's not saying mask
layers of protection.
Unknown: The fact is, we have
tools, we need to use them. And
we're going to keep talking
about the ways folks can protect
themselves.
Adam Curry: No answer. That is
literally not an answer.
Unknown: Do you think that this
is a good recommendation that
schools should be masking? Now?
As I said, there are several
schools I think Maryland, one of
them, where they're saying,
Okay, now you have to mask
again?
Adam Curry: Okay. She's clearly
asking the question again.
John C Dvorak: Yes, the second
go round? Yes,
Adam Curry: you could, because
even the CNN lady was not
satisfied with that non answer.
Unknown: Well, we want Facebook.
Look,
Adam Curry: when you when you
start off with Look, no answers
coming?
Unknown: Well, we want folks to
be reacting to what they're
seeing on the ground in their
community and making sure that
they're protecting themselves.
We want folks to know that there
are tools that they can use. But
there are more things than
maths, remember, ventilation,
don't forget your vaccine, wash
your hands, stay home when
you're sick. These are layers of
tools that we have right now.
And we want to just empower
folks to use those tools and and
support them in any way we can.
John C Dvorak: No, I was washing
your hands a tool. A tool is
washing your hands. It's a tool.
Do you have any washing your
hand tool there? Yeah, have a
three quarter inch washing your
hand?
Adam Curry: Open the window?
It's a good tool. opening
windows is a tool.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's what
she said. All right, let's
Adam Curry: get down to the crux
of it. Because this is why we're
here. We need to promote the
product, do the updated vaccines
work?
Unknown: I do want to ask you
about the the vaccination
John C Dvorak: question I see.
Of course, you gave up on the
question. I always do this. By
the way, if you anyone out there
who doesn't notice, they go
down, take two shots at it.
Yeah. And that's it. And that's
it. They're not going to know
what they should. Do you know
why? Then your journalists will
say, Well, hold on a second.
It's a simple question. Can you
ask answer it? Yes, sir. No,
Adam Curry: no, that's only for
Congress in the Senate. Exactly.
That's that's where that gets
asked.
John C Dvorak: And they don't
get the answer either. So it
doesn't work. But she answered
Adam Curry: that so that we can
look out for the messaging. The
messaging is, it's an updated
vaccine. And it's just one of
many tools, tools, which include
washing your hands, opening the
window, standing on your head,
putting a bag over your head,
lots of tools, like we can come
up with a whole toolkit. In
fact,
Unknown: I do want to ask you
about the the vaccines and how
well how well do they work? And
do they actually help reduce
transmissions of the virus at
all this latest?
Adam Curry: Updated, updated,
updated, updated and updated
vaccine? Oh, did you squirt it
out?
Unknown: Yes. So we know that
these vaccines are safe and
they're effective,
Adam Curry: safe and effective?
Do they work safe and effective
Unknown: preventing the worst of
what COVID? Can?
Adam Curry: This is great. Do
they prevent you? She said Do
they prevent transmission? The
question is really simple. Do
they prevent transmission
Director of the CDC, the person
who is in charge of our health?
Unknown: Yes. So we know that
these vaccines are safe and
they're effective at preventing
the worst of what COVID can can
bring to you and that is putting
you in the hospital or dying.
Unfortunately, we're still
seeing hundreds of people over
65 dying each week. Okay, so
Adam Curry: you're safe and
effective at stopping the worst
of COVID which is getting you
sick and you dying.
Unfortunately, we're seeing
people dying. What is going on
here
Unknown: with COVID We have
about 20,000 folks in the
hospital right now with COVID.
So what the vaccine can do is
protect you from the war. First
of what COVID is, but remember
the vaccine early data is
showing us it can also prevent
you from getting long COVID. We
don't
Adam Curry: even know what long
COVID is yet,
John C Dvorak: then this is
bogus. This is not true. No,
Unknown: of course not decreases
your risk of getting long COVID,
which is extended symptoms,
Adam Curry: I didn't expect
this. I mean, so let's just
review. It will protect you, you
won't get COVID The President of
the United States said that,
then it was 90% 95% effective,
then it was 75% effective then
was 65%, then you needed a
booster. And then you know, you
Oh, it's only good for a couple
of months, you need another
booster. And you need to you
know, get it, there's an uptick
in into the booster. And well,
it's not going to stop
transmission. It's not going to
do that. But it will stop you
from getting really sick and
going to the hospital. Now,
it'll stop the worst of what
COVID can do. Like COVID, some
some boogey man with a gun
outside your door. And now, and
now they've resorted to well, if
you're not in the hospital, and
you don't die, you won't get
long COVID But it's safe and
effective from
Unknown: that COVID virus. So
yes, protecting from the worst,
but also protecting you from
potential long term symptoms
from this virus even if you have
a mild case.
Adam Curry: What a lie.
John C Dvorak: You have a mild
case
Adam Curry: back to us, though,
what about all those anti
vaxxers on podcasts?
Unknown: I can't help but tell
you this story. I was in several
hospitals at the height of this
pandemic and what were
Adam Curry: you doing? What were
you doing and why would you do
that
Unknown: of this pandemic. And
one of the things I heard from
someone in the hospital for one
of the nurses, they said someone
came in here they had COVID It
was really really bad. They
couldn't breathe and the
person's wife says Don't you
dare give them that vaccine. It
is dangerous. It is deadly. This
is one of those big issues this
anti vaccine center Hold
John C Dvorak: on. somebody's
dying of COVID You don't know.
What's the vaccine gonna do?
It's not It's therapeutic.
Exactly.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Story is
bogus. She wasn't in the
hospital. She has no story is
bogus. She's she's trying to
find a bridge, a bridge to get
into banty Bagri.
John C Dvorak: I agree. This is
bullshit.
Unknown: And one of the things I
heard from someone in the
hospital for one of the nurses,
they said in the
Adam Curry: hearse, so something
I heard from someone in the
hospital from one of the nurses.
So it's third hand information.
Unknown: Someone came in here
they had COVID It was really,
really bad. They couldn't
breathe and the person's wife
says Don't you dare give them
that vaccine. It is dangerous.
It is deadly. This is one of
those big issues is anti vaccine
sentiment. Do you have a
specific plan to try and combat
it? And how worried are you
about a rise and this anti
vaccine sentiment?
Adam Curry: Okay. Just to make
clear, I don't think Adam or
John have any anti vaccine
sentiment. We are anti these
bullcrap vaccines that don't
work under the newly changed
definition of vaccine, which is
a vaccine is a shot that you get
that doesn't do anything. But
you won't get long COVID It's
just a tool.
Unknown: Well, it's really
important that we are
communicating with folks and
having longer conversations to
make sure that we're addressing
people's questions,
Adam Curry: please the questions
though you're not answering
them? Does it work? Is it for
real do maths work? You're gonna
have longer conversations, why
longer conversations, You're
boring me already,
Unknown: that they understand
the data that we see. That's why
I'm sharing personally what I
would recommend for my own
family in terms of vaccination.
So it's
Adam Curry: just a personal
endorsement. It's not based on
science or numbers, which you
haven't given us. It's just it's
an endorsement by a lady who has
a badge.
Unknown: I know folks want to be
healthy.
John C Dvorak: Get this clip,
CNN.
Adam Curry: This is CNN. I mean,
luckily, no one watches. But
what have dog do we have a dog
alert?
John C Dvorak: But dog alert?
Adam Curry: Let me finish this
clip
John C Dvorak: family, finish
the clip and then stop taping
I'll come back after the clip.
It's not funny.
Adam Curry: Well, let me 36
seconds. Can he hold on for 36
hours? Yes, he can.
Unknown: Only what I would
recommend for my own family in
terms of vaccination. I know
folks want to be healthy, that
they want their families to be
safe. So we're just going to
keep communicating about the
good information that we know
what scientists
John C Dvorak: how's that
communicating anything.
Adam Curry: She communicated
nothing except her personal
endorsement healthy,
Unknown: that they want their
families to be safe. So we're
just going to keep communicating
about the good information that
we know the scientific
information that we're seeing.
We want to communicate as
transparently as we can and
answer folks questions we
encourage folks to visit
cdc.gov No
Adam Curry: court but but visit
cdc.gov
Unknown: and get their questions
answered and engage with your
doctor with a nurse practitioner
ask a good question. And make
sure you're using tools to
protect yourself.
Dr. Mandy Cohen,
congratulations. You are the new
CDC director. Lots of work to be
done. Thank you so much for
answering our questions here.
John C Dvorak: unanswered
question.
Adam Curry: Thank you for
answering their questions. Hey,
whatever you do, come back.
John C Dvorak: I've got some
clips of the RF cage or FK Jr.
Up.
Adam Curry: Bobby The Office
back, everybody. All right.
John C Dvorak: He's hasn't gone
anywhere. No, I know. Because
the way they're doing it,
they're rolling it out funny.
Adam Curry: Okay. All right. I'm
ready. What? Well, it
John C Dvorak: looks as if,
well, let's play the app. And
we'll discuss after the three
clips
Unknown: and Biden may have
competition. A recent poll has
good news for Robert F. Kennedy
Jr. Right? This is
Adam Curry: NTD. I'm just
assuming
John C Dvorak: you can play the
jingle if you want.
Adam Curry: No, no, I did not.
Yes, it is Ed. Kennedy. Yeah.
Oh, really? Oh, that I have done
I do have to play. Yeah, they're
Pro
Unknown: D, D, and Biden may
have competition. A recent poll
has good news for Robert F.
Kennedy, Jr. Even as the
candidate may be considering
running as an independent. We
spoke with an epic Times
reporter to dive into his
campaign. Jeff Louderback, thank
you so much for joining us. Good
to have you back on the show. It
seems right now Rumors are
swirling that RFK Jr. might run
as an independent separating
himself from the Democratic
Party. That's after some
convention contention with the
Democratic National Committee.
From what you've seen from his
campaign. What has he been
saying about all of this? Well,
it's
interesting, because I've been
covering the campaigns and I
believe may and for several
months, he would say when asked
that question, if he would run
as a third party or an
independent, that he's a
Democrat. He wants to restore
the party to what it was when
his uncle JFK and his father RFK
were President and Senator
respectively. And he he would
say that he wants to get the
nomination. He wants to restore
the party back to what it was,
but and in the last month, like
in New Hampshire, recently, he
was talking about how that if
the DNC makes it difficult for
him that he has to consider all
his options.
And now a Rasmussen poll from
just two days ago shows that 33%
of Democrats say they would vote
for RFK if he was a third party.
From what you've seen on the
ground. How would him running as
an independent impact the
election cycle?
Adam Curry: Yeah, the 33 is a
dead giveaway. I'm okay, I'm
with you. It's an OP. If if
they're thrown out the 30
threes, all of a sudden funding
a Rasmussen poll. Isn't the
Rasmussen poll? Like aren't they
like Republican GOP pollsters?
John C Dvorak: Kinda? Yeah, 33.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. All
right.
John C Dvorak: All right. So
he's gonna run it day
independent. What's happening is
that the DNC is not giving in to
anything he wants to do. They
look at him as a lunatic and
they're not going to let him run
as a Democrat or getting on any
ballots. Right. He's okay. What
happens if I run into it as an
independent? How you think you
guys are going to do if I'm
running as an independent
Adam Curry: right post 33%?
Away, apparently. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Which is not
nothing to sneeze. I hear it.
And that's the Democrats think,
Adam Curry: I think Joe Rogan,
said he, he would vote for
Kennedy.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that
wouldn't surprise me in the
least that was right up his
alley. Bartender
Adam Curry: would and Joe Rogan
wouldn't not vote for him just
because he was a third party. I
mean, that shows no party guy.
John C Dvorak: That's the way it
is, I think with everybody.
Right? If Kennedy is on the
ballot, he's gonna get his
votes. And in fact, they
discussed that in part two.
Well, what I
Unknown: find interesting is
that every town hall or meet and
greet every tour that I go to,
there's a wide mix of people.
There's people who voted for
Biden, President Biden in 2020.
There's people who supported
President Trump in 2016 and
2020. He has a wide spectrum of
political supporters. I think,
from what they've said, They
said they'll support him,
regardless of whether he's a
Democrat or an Independent. I
think a lot of Republicans. If
he decided to run as a
Republican, I think he would do
well. And that primary is just,
he talks about how it's a
movement. That's what he's
trying to create. From what I've
seen about being heavily
involved in covering it. Just
seems like that's accurate.
There's a lot of enthusiasm
regardless of where he goes.
And speaking of that wide net of
support that he gets one picture
he posted recently getting a lot
of attention is with Pierce
Brosnan former James Bond glory.
This was at a fundraiser from
what you've seen what other
celebrities appeared to be
backing him tall.
Well, when you're at Kennedy,
obviously you have a natural fit
for ties to celebrities, but he
or have K Jr, who is married to
Cheryl Hines from Curb Your
Enthusiasm, fame. And so he has
a big network and they live in
Los Angeles. So Pierce Brosnan.
He recently had a fundraiser
with Eric Clapton performing and
that raise $2.2 million for his
campaign. Leisha Silverstone
just came out and endorsed him.
And a funny thing, Woody
Harrelson who was photographed
with RFK, Jr. and took a lot of
heat. And I had asked him about
that and and he said that well,
he probably isn't doesn't even
know he's taking heat because
he's off the grid. He's not on
social media. So I don't think
it could hurt in today's
climate. I don't know if it
helps or not. But he is getting,
getting a lot of support from
well known people.
Adam Curry: If I may just say
this guy's report is blame. I
could have given you that
report. But I get the point.
John C Dvorak: That's the point.
We can all do. We don't need any
of these clips, we can do the
whole thing. But these are this
is just confirmation of what's
going on, especially within the
OP now they get the Hollywood
celebrities on board, which is
just says to me, okay, this is
this, we're getting there. And
well,
Adam Curry: and I will reiterate
that the fact that Cheryl Hines
has not been strung up drawn and
quartered and throw in thrown in
stocks for being married to this
horrible anti Vaxxer Joe Rogan
loving loser says that something
is up.
John C Dvorak: Something's up I
think. Doesn't we don't get into
it too much more at the last
clip, but it's just kind of
interesting.
Unknown: And what is the
significance or impact that you
see these celebrities seeming to
back him have especially due to
some of our code juniors more
controversial stances say on
vaccines?
Well, that seems to be contrary,
doesn't it? It seems like
Hollywood is all in on COVID
vaccines and COVID mandates. It
just seems that way. California
as a whole. I don't know. I
can't really say whether that
will help or hurt. But I think
that just goes to show he has a
wide spectrum of support that
you otherwise wouldn't think.
Like, obviously, President Trump
has strong support by his base.
But that's a base that is pretty
much conservative. RFK Jr.
Support seems to go always and
that's you could throw in the
Hollywood crowd is. That's just
interesting that he has that
support.
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
don't think he he would only
help Trump win if he ran third
party.
John C Dvorak: Oh, well, one of
these days. You have to remember
that Abraham Lincoln basically
ran third party.
Adam Curry: Well, I wasn't
around that time.
John C Dvorak: But the parties
do have the opportunity to to
lose if he ran third. But yeah,
i i Looking at it would think
yeah, that's what's going to
happen to or Trump or whoever it
might even be Trump could be
somebody else. But it's possible
that the that him running third
party, I mean, it's just to put
the screws to the Democrat party
to tell him you know, to bring
him on board is the this threat
and but it's a real threat.
Yeah, it's more of a threat than
the one with Joe Manchin and the
soak whatever that other Well,
here's, here's what
Adam Curry: I'm what I'm saying.
So Trump has tremendous support
right now. And I think it's
bleeding over way beyond Maga
country. And the main thing that
he's saying is, I will initiate
the biggest deportation this
country has ever seen, which I
think is hitting the hot buttons
right now. When you say that
people are paying attention,
particularly people who I don't
know, want jobs and see some
Venezuelans going in front of
them. DeSantis is hitting Trump
at the VAX level. No backs I'm
against Vax, I can't you know,
he's he's, that's the only spot
he can hit. Trump is about the
backs and how's that working?
Well, Trump has what 50% His 15
something and then to have the
OP come in. I don't know he's
still a Democrat John. He's, you
know, all talk. And I've heard
his solutions. He wants a giant
loan program for people to buy
homes and that none of it sounds
I mean, he's, he's saying all
the right things. Like
everything's corrupt, but I
don't really hear solutions from
him. And maybe maybe I'm it's a
stretch for maybe America that
will pay attention this time. I
don't know. I mean, who am I
kidding, but um, well,
John C Dvorak: we don't need
another Democrat but so there's
that aspect to it but but as you
know, as the guy's got an
appeal, He's appealing he says
the right things is he's got
he's got panache
Adam Curry: panache. Well, if
he's an optin he can only be an
opt to help Trump get elected
and then become Trump's Attorney
General. Now that would be that
would be an up.
John C Dvorak: Wow, I didn't
think of that. I loved that one.
You liked it good. Um, well, if
he has an OP, that's what you
want to do with him. You want to
put him in some position where
he can put the reins on Trump.
And attorney generals that is
that perfect
Adam Curry: guy. Good one. And
there was something interesting
that popped up about the CIA
versus dia, did you see the
latest? Seymour Hersh? substack?
No. So just to reiterate,
Seymour Hersh award winning
journalist but once he started
to say stuff like Obama is no
good. I'm just paraphrasing. And
the war, the war in Iraq and
war, Afghanistan is bogus. They
d platformed. And he became a
kook. Am I characterizing that
right? He became a kook
overnight,
John C Dvorak: like anybody else
who turns on the Democrat party,
a cult. The cult goes after him.
And he's one of them. I mean,
that's why you don't see Ray
McGovern anymore on any of these
shows. And it just, there's a
slew of these guys that are just
blackballed, blacklisted.
Adam Curry: And he, I think he
was on he was being published by
the London School of books or
something with the London
John C Dvorak: book, a journal,
a book review or some book
review. Yeah. So
Adam Curry: so he told me you
have books, totally
marginalized, deeper up the
platform. But I think we you and
I have always liked his stuff.
And although he sometimes seems
to go a bit far, I see no
evidence other than his
assessment of what happened in
nordstream, is being true and
correct. And now, he wrote this
piece is called Zelinsky is bad
moment. And it starts off by
actually by saying is, we're
coming up on the anniversary,
it's already been a year of the
destruction of nordstream. One
and two. He, he states here that
the CIA is getting pretty mad,
because the DIA, the Defense
Intelligence Agency is has the
ear of the White House and his
saying, Oh, no, everything's
great. You know, we're doing
pretty good where the offensive
is working. It's going slow, but
the offensive is working. And
the CIA is saying no, it's not.
It's failed. In fact, I have it
here. There were some early
Ukrainian penetrations in the
opening days of the June
offensive, that this is from an
official at or near the heavily
trapped first of Russia's three
formidable concrete barriers of
defense, the Russians retreated
to sucker them in and they all
got killed. After weeks of high
casualties and little progress,
along with horrific losses to
tanks and armored vehicles,
which I have seen. Throughout
the past few months, I have just
on telegram and signal have
received video after video of
these great tanks that Germany
and everyone else gave to
Ukraine being destroyed. After
weeks of high casualties and
little progress, along with
horrific losses to tanks and
armored vehicles, major elements
of the Ukrainian army without
declaring so virtually canceled
the offensive. The two villages
that Ukrainian army recently
claimed as captured are so tiny,
they could fit between two Burma
Shave signs. And now that's a
that's a call back to
John C Dvorak: there's a
reference for you.
Adam Curry: You want to explain
the Burma Shave signs?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they used
to be when, when the highways
were opened up with carska. She
traveled in the 50s 60s and 70s,
when they were traveling, people
were traveling cross country a
lot. This company named Burma
Shave would put up the site,
they'd go to a farmer and you'd
be driving through the middle of
nowhere, and there'd be a and if
you're a kid, you would really
perk up when you saw these
signs. And it would be a series
of about five or six signs in a
row that in a row and they're
all you know, they're spaced far
enough apart that you could read
and because you're driving at 60
miles an hour. So that'd be one
sign that say something. It was
like a teaser, and then to be
another line, a line a line.
That'd be about five and then
it'd be some sort of a joke, a
punch line at the end. And then
at the very, very end of the
signs would be a sign that had
the Burma Shave logo on it just
said Burma Shave. And these were
everywhere across the country
and they were very funny and and
kids and parents would read the
signs as you were zoomed by each
one. It was like it was a
highlight of driving in the
middle of nowhere middle of Mid
America. So the signs have all
been knocked over and gone. I
think that became collectible.
Adam Curry: I'm surprised you
don't have one in the house
somewhere.
John C Dvorak: I am too.
Adam Curry: So the point being
that the the actual ground that
they've captured is very, very
tiny. And the CIA, they gave up
at an Hirsch has sources he has
informants he's he's cultivated
these these sources over what a
50 year career something it's
amazing what he's done as the
60s and he says the CIA. They
gave up after what after there,
so I'll read verbatim. Putin did
something stupid no matter how
provoked by violating the UN
Charter and so did we. Meaning
President Biden's decision to
wage a proxy war with Russia by
fundings, Lenski and his
military now this is a source
quote. And so now we had to
paint paint him black. With the
help of the media in order to
justify our mistake, we're
referring to a secret
disinformation operation that
was aimed at diminishing Putin
undertaken by the CIA in
coordination with elements of
British intelligence. The
successful operation led major
media outlets here and in
London, to report that the
Russian president was suffering
from various illnesses that
included blood disorders and
serious cancer. One oft quoted
story had Putin being treated by
heavy doses of steroids. Not all
were fooled. The Guardian
skeptically reports we weren't
fooled. The Guardian skeptically
reported in May of 2022. The
rumors span the gamut. Vladimir
Putin is suffering from cancer
or Parkinson's disease,
Parkinson disease, but many
major news organizations took
the bait in June 2022, Newsweek
splashed, would it build a major
scoop, citing unnamed sources
saying that Putin had undergone
treatment two months earlier for
advanced cancer, Putin his grip
is strong, but no longer
absolutes, the jocking inside
the Kremlin has never been more
intense. Everyone sensing that
the end is near. So that was the
end of the CIA's involvement
because of course, I failed
because it was a lie. And it
wasn't true. And they tried to,
you know, remember the CIA
saying, Oh, yes. 10s of 1000s of
Russians are reporting to us and
they're all going to help us get
rid of Putin. Yeah, that was a
good one shows you how pathetic
it all really is. And so now
we're just now lying to send
these long range missiles, which
I guess we're gonna shoot him
into the I guess, the 300
kilometers, we're going to shoot
him into no occupied territory
and do some damage, mostly
John C Dvorak: Crimea,
Adam Curry: right of Crimea. And
what Kershaw's saying is this
war is over. There is no more
war. It just, and I think what
comes into play now as Russia
just sits where they are in the
in the demilitarized zone,
because it's filled with
landmines and cluster bomb
cluster munition. Poland
possibly takes over some of West
Ukraine. It would love to, and
meanwhile, we've got the
ambassador for the Sharjah
Michonne. So kind of the
ambassador to Ukraine was this
Jim oaks name? William Taylor.
And he's just trying to
propagate the message that the
White House and the Defense
Intelligence Agency want you to
hear, so that we can keep
sending money to the military
industrial complex. It's
becoming so blatantly clear.
Unknown: Joining us now is
former US ambassador to Ukraine
volume Taylor. This is CNN,
again, is the vice president of
the Russia and Europe center at
the US Institute of Peace. Thank
you so much for being here.
Adam Curry: When you see that
the US Institute of Peace, what
an oxymoron
Unknown: conflict among us, the
congressmen and congresswomen.
And you have Zelinsky there
saying I cannot get this done
without your help. What in the
end happens here? What do you
see happening to Ukraine? Will
this just be a war that just
almost a Forever War at this
point, and in this kind of
stalemate?
Sure. I don't think so. I think
the number one, there's actually
some progress. I don't think so.
I think the number one, there's
actually some progress on the
ground this in progress.
Adam Curry: This, I think I
think there's some progress on
the ground
Unknown: in the southern part of
Ukraine.
Adam Curry: You just do that
again. But did you do that? No.
Unknown: I found there's some
progress in the southern party.
Wow.
Adam Curry: Wow. two tails in a
row crane,
Unknown: where the Ukrainian
forces are, slowly grindingly
bloodedly, very difficult
fighting Horse are moving into
and pushing the Russians back.
Adam Curry: Does that sound like
a guy who's really telling the
truth about some some good news
coming out of Ukraine? I don't
think so.
Unknown: That's their goal. And
there's some indication that
that's having some success, some
John C Dvorak: imitators
occation.
Unknown: In the last couple of
days, we've we're seeing reports
of that number one, number
number two, I expect in the end,
this assistance package like all
the previous assistance packages
will be approved by Congress.
Adam Curry: This is the $24
billion assistance package that
is being used as a political
football for the pending gloom
and doom of a shutdown of
government.
Unknown: If you put this to a
vote in both houses, you're
going to get bipartisan support,
good majorities. And the
question is how to get it to the
vote. But But smarter people
that I will, will get that, get
that done, when they actually
vote, it will pass
John C Dvorak: the T cells and
really come to the RA or the
Rand Paul clips. All right. went
on for 11 minutes, I have three
excerpts. And this is to me, I
think, kind of a watershed
moment, at least well, of
course, he's anti war. But
listen to Ron Paul screed number
one,
Unknown: I rise to put the
leadership of the House, the
Senate and the president united
states on notice. I will not
consent to any expedited passage
of any spending bill that
provides any more American aid
to Ukraine. It's as if no one
has noticed that we have no
extra money to send to Ukraine,
our deficit this year will
exceed $1.5 trillion. borrowing
money from China to send it to
Ukraine makes no sense. It's not
as if we have some sort of rainy
day funds sitting around
trillions of dollars that a pot
of money, we're just going to
send that to Ukraine. We're
going to borrow it. When we
borrow it and create new money
to pay for that borrowing. We
create the inflation that is
plaguing our economy
Adam Curry: there. See he he's
he mixed his messages. I like
the idea of why borrow from
China to give to Ukraine. That's
smart. But then then he confused
he should have just stuck with
why printed and create
inflation, he just because
that's the truth of it. But for
some reason he had to throw
China in there. I think that was
a mistake to get
John C Dvorak: China. Because
there's a lot of people that
think that China's lease
financing. It's a mistake. It
could be but you know, it's a
good, but he goes on. And now he
has a nice little little
complaint about the war itself
in part two,
Unknown: since the beginning of
Russia's war in Ukraine, the
American taxpayers provided
Ukraine with $113 billion over
the 583 days of war between
February 24 2022 and the end of
the month, that averages $6.8
billion per month or $223
million per day. There's a lot
of things that we need to fix in
our country, before we borrow
money to try to perpetuate a war
in another country. When will
the aid requests and when will
the war end? Can someone explain
what victory in Ukraine looks
like? President Biden certainly
can't. His administration has
failed to articulate a clear
strategy or objective in this
war. And Ukraine's long awaited
counter offensive has failed to
make meaningful gains in the
east. With no clear end in
sight. It looks increasingly
like Ukraine will be yet another
endless quagmire funded by the
American taxpayer. Hmm.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And then he
does do thing that the the other
guy kind of suggested as a no
brainer. But Rand Paul thinks
it's a bad idea. And here, he
pitches about the fact that they
that they are going to shut down
the government unless we give
Ukraine more money.
Unknown: And now there are those
in the Senate, and who would
hold the federal government
hostage by inserting $24 billion
more for Ukraine. They're
talking about saying the only
way government stays open, the
only way we avoid a shutdown is
by shoveling more American
taxpayer dollars to Ukraine.
They're going to link keeping
the government open with more
money to Ukraine. And I'm here
to say that I'm not going to
agree to it. And I will not let
them shut down the government
simply because they want to send
more of your hard earned tax
dollars to Ukraine.
Adam Curry: This, of course, is
the right message but I think
that Taylor here the former
ambassador, I think he has a
right he says oh no people much
smarter than me are going to
bring this to the vote and it
will it will pass because he
knows the power. He knows how
everyone with the exception of
Rand Paul, may be one other is
completely corrupted by money
for the military industrial
complex. Next, it has to pass.
There's it's not about Ukraine,
as he says Ukraine. No, it's
about the money. The money, you
make a
Unknown: great point in the
sense of if it could get to the
House floor, the requisite
number of votes. Are there,
period, end of story in the
United States Senate, the Senate
Majority Leader there, Chuck
Schumer, is certainly there.
There is no bigger supporter or
more, I think bigger defender
than Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell. I think that's
why the dynamic is so
interesting right now, because
the tone felt different
yesterday than when I was in
Washington for when President
Solinsky came for his first
visit outside of Ukraine, at the
end of last year for the video
remarks to the joint session of
Congress a month after the war,
that total shift, what do you
think is behind that?
So Phil, it's been a long time.
The Ukrainians have been
fighting for 19 months, United
States has been supporting for
19 months, that's a long time to
maintain that kind of focus and
intensity. Ukrainians have no
choice. They have no choice but
to defend themselves. They're
under attack every day, every
day. And it's up to us to
maintain our support. And so I
think that that long term
support, I was just in Ukraine
last week, and it's the same
thing. It's a grim
determination. When I was there
a year ago, it was it was
enthusiastic, because the
counter offensive was going so
well. Now the counter offensive
is going but as
John C Dvorak: you get a little
a timeline issue here. Yes. The
counter offensive didn't begin a
year ago, it
Adam Curry: didn't even start
until the fall like a couple of
July, June, July, kind of and
they had to keep pushing it off.
In fact, they called it the
spring offensive. They called it
the spring offensive, this
John C Dvorak: guy is just full
of it.
Adam Curry: Of course he is he's
trying. He's a pentagon guy, he
has to make it sound like
they're still fighting going on.
When I believe her. There's no
fighting going on, it's over.
But that doesn't mean the money
has to stop flowing. That's all
that it's ever been about just
in
Unknown: Ukraine last week, and
it's the same thing. It's a grim
determination. When I was there
a year ago, it was it was
enthusiastic, because the
counter offensive was going so
well. Now the counter offensive
is going, but it's not as
dramatic. And so the grim
determination is something we
have to support grim
determination.
Adam Curry: What does that mean?
That like, I'm gonna die, but
I'm determined. grim
determination. one more clip,
and we'll get out of this.
Unknown: May I ask you just sort
of what you think the world is
doing as they look at this sort
of fight in the United States
over this. And as this war has
ground on, what the message is,
you have McCarthy sort of not
wanting to be seen with him on
camera, and then suddenly, you
see this picture of them behind
the scenes standing next to each
other. He did not let Zelinsky
speak to Congress. What is the
rest of the world doing and how
much of a damage could this
cause? In seeing that there is
infighting in the United States
over whether to help fund this
war?
Well, sir, you're exactly right.
In the back,
Adam Curry: you're exactly
right.
Unknown: Seeing that there was
infighting in the United States
over whether to help fund this
war.
Well, Sarah, you're exactly
right. And in the in the closed
meetings, there apparently was
one support even from from Mr.
McCarthy. Mr. McCall, the the
committed douchebag
Adam Curry: from Texas who's all
in on war,
Unknown: the chair Foreign
Relations Committee Chairs said
that Mr. McCarthy was strong
support on doing more actually,
these eight tackles these long
range missiles. They were
pushing the administration to
provide those so there is that
but you're absolutely right. In
public there is this debate is
complex surprise. People
observing the US government and
the US machinations political
machinations. They under people
around the world in particular
in Ukraine, they know what's
going on here. And again, they
they don't they can't win this
war, in the immediate sense,
without the United States
leading this coalition leaving
the Alliance so they're counting
on this kind of support coming
through
Adam Curry: Degen us they're
going to pass it they're gonna
spend the money John I don't
believe for a second that that
this is all theater and it's all
gonna be oh, oh, well, we have
to shut down the government.
They're liars all of them. All
of them. The I'll give Rand Paul
I'll give him a pass. I think
he's he's always been that way.
He's always been the one guy for
as long as been doing the show
Rand Paul's well was Ron Paul
then. But Is dad but Rand Paul
has always been the one guy
nope, nope, nope, nope.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he'd vote
no and stuffed. A vote would be
like, yeah, 99 to one, it would
have been he would be the one
that helps the one guy who would
look him up as him. Yeah. And
you'd have some great reason for
it and nobody else was paying
attention to or cared.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, usually
it's about the money. But this
is this is this is where we go
down the tubes, man, we're going
down the tubes. It's not good.
It's not this is not the way to
go. But meanwhile, the new the
Pentagon who we still have been
waiting for them to pass an
audit.
John C Dvorak: That'll be the
day well, well, they won't even
in fact, Rand Paul, in that long
thing. He didn't just people
should look this up. It's a long
screed. He goes on and on about
the fact that they tried he's
tried and others have tried to
pass a any bill whatsoever to
get some oversight on the money
going to Ukraine so we can audit
that money day and it won't get
passed. Not on I just send him
money who gives a shit what
happens to it?
Adam Curry: Well, the
comptroller the Comptroller, the
Pentagon Comptroller, Gregory
Liddell has good news for us.
It's very good news. To make
sense of all the provisions,
they have created an AI program
codenamed game changer to gain
better visibility and
understanding across our various
budgets. And he's very excited
about this. AI to the rescue. I
love the name the audacity of
calling it game changer. Oh,
sure.
John C Dvorak: We can be
cynical. They should call it
money changer.
Adam Curry: There you go. And
with that, I'd like to thank you
for your courage in the morning
to you the man who put the C in
the CDC q&a Ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the
other end the honorable Mr. John
Cena.
John C Dvorak: In the morning,
you and Mr. Adam creating the
morning shifts and see out there
boots on the ground feet near
subs in the water that Dames and
nights out there
Adam Curry: in the morning
controls and control room.
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John C Dvorak: I liked the
memes.
Adam Curry: I use them in the
newsletter. Now you all you just
want material. That's why you'd
like me, I'm looking for
material course they got no
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it's good. There's a piece every
John C Dvorak: once in a while
there's a real good one I
haven't used yet. No. A mean,
that's good.
Adam Curry: Okay, I'm very
excited to see that. Of course.
Unlike on any of the platforms.
We don't have a video component.
We're not sitting here with our
headphones on and waiting for
you to look at us. Which means
we we don't draw too much
attention to ourselves. We also
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So we can talk about anything
that we want. In fact, if we
want to talk a product about a
product because we like it, it's
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we don't have to feign some kind
of excitement over vaccines so
we get a stack swag bag
John C Dvorak: stack of money
next
Adam Curry: stack or gold bars,
which seems to be much funnier
than a stack or was it $500,000
stuffed into your coat? I mean
come on.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, have the
clips Menendez is a second time
he's been indicted.
Adam Curry: But he got away with
it on 2017 Didn't he? And by the
way I
John C Dvorak: because he had a
hung jury and they didn't want
to retry and wasn't
Adam Curry: there to his wife he
does his new wife seems to be
the one that brought all the all
the problems in
John C Dvorak: to share that's
sure she's got nothing to do
with it.
Adam Curry: She's the one that
introduced them to the Egyptians
who then started to she's not
innocent. As far as
John C Dvorak: I know she's also
indicted.
Adam Curry: Oh good walk in and
that makes sense. So instead her
there's
John C Dvorak: two other guys
him and her just four people
indicted for the scandal. Do you
want to do that? Yeah, money you
guys sewn into jackets
Adam Curry: sewn into jackets
and Mercedes convertible and a
kilo of gold? That I like the
kilo of gold. So instead we just
asked for value return for the
value we will take a kilo a kilo
of gold? Yeah, absolutely. Will
take a kilo of silver. We don't
care. I mean, gold better
Silver's fine. So we see the
value people see the value to
for 16 years almost in October,
people have been saying thank is
very valuable program and they
send that value back in a
multitude of ways. By being
producers. Everybody's a
producer hitting people in the
mouth, giving us clips giving us
artwork. Let's talk about that
for a second. The artists who
not only do they provide artwork
for every single episode, they
take feedback and criticism
quite well. And I think they do.
No agenda social. Weird. I think
they do I think they do. Well,
we were able to pick a piece for
episode 1592 titled Vermox which
I don't know if anyone took the
time outside of the people who
listen to the show to look up
what Vermox is, but we thought
it was kind of an interesting
title. So we ran with it. But
the artwork was bad. brought by
done by Matt boys. verts
Boisvert boys bear boys word boi
sbrt. There was a really nice
piece we both agreed kind of
quickly. It was the F 35 pilots
who was parachuting out of which
I have an update actually from
an actual
John C Dvorak: but you know if
it says we're doing bonus stuff
during the donation segment, I
have the 911 call he made
supposedly supposedly made from
after he landed in someone's
backyard. We had
Unknown: a military jet crash on
the pilot. We need to get rescue
rolling. I'm not sure where the
airplane is. It would have
crashed landed somewhere I
ejected along the way. Just a
moment, sir. Yeah, what are we
good?
Adam Curry: All right. Part of
the fall
Unknown: 2000 feet.
Adam Curry: Wow, that's I have a
better recording than that. That
was
John C Dvorak: how hard did you
How far did you fall? Is your
question? Yes. What does that
got to do with the price of
anything?
Adam Curry: Well, if you listen
to the whole call, the whole
thing is weird. as well.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's
some thought that it was
actually a female pilot. And
this was just a scam.
Adam Curry: That might be but I
now have because I have the INS
from an F 35 pilot from the 30 F
35 pilots that this pilot flew
into who apparently was a very
was a experienced pilot flew
into bad weather had a total
display failure. And at that
point, you become very
disoriented. It's called the
liens I've had it happen to me
and if you don't have
instruments that are working,
which seems to every aircraft
that I've ever been in even the
modern ones if they have a glass
cockpit, they still have a small
gyro and an airspeed indicator
that is completely separate
which is a mechanical you don't
and it has its own battery for
lighting. And I can't get an
answer whether the F 35 has one
backup system with gyro and you
know for your attitude like
artificial horizon and your
airspeed indicator. If you don't
have that in these in these
planes yeah you're gonna you're
gonna punch out because you
don't know you think you'll be
upside down you may be upside
down when you think you're
flying straight so I don't I'm
not buying any of that I'm I
think this is a design flaw.
This thing is a turkey
John C Dvorak: because what
Adam Curry: everybody seems to
think everybody's what
everybody's saying.
John C Dvorak: Send them to
Ukraine.
Adam Curry: There you go. So
let's take a look at what else
we had for the previous episode.
Less AI in fact, comic strip
blogger was apologizing no
agenda socialists I'm sorry,
I'll only do one AI from now on.
Then we had some actual pieces.
I wouldn't say that they were
all great. But they weren't AI
generated Did
John C Dvorak: the Lincoln one I
liked I think was probably AI.
Adam Curry: Yes, that's why we
didn't use it.
John C Dvorak: No, it's not why
Yeah, it is. I
Adam Curry: said it's AI. I like
it and ISIS AI I didn't like it.
No, I think there was a SAG
AFTRA net. Things just weren't
quite hitting but you know,
sometimes it can be really
funny. I marginally liked Matt
was another Matt Boisvert is
good for $33 trillion, an IOU
but you know, and then funny
enough comics or Blogger had the
F 35 Witness screaming against
the goat I'm not quite sure that
that hit home we had a peach in
a banana cord who did that one
punch in the podcast I don't
know then there's no there's no
Parker Polly there's no way
we're going to put Fetterman on
on our album marks this is not
going to happen. How many? How
many times we have to say these
things. We're not going to put
ugly people on the front of our
podcast art. No, like so we're
currently already
John C Dvorak: banned ourselves
and I should mention that
because coming up as a new
artist pet Rex who put us on the
elbow Martin there's no that's
not gonna happen that was
banned. We're gonna have a
round. Jo 200.
Adam Curry: So we do
congratulate Matt Boisvert for
creating the art that we chose.
It was a beautiful piece really
was nice piece. He was very
happy. It was artsy. It was
artsy. Yes, it was Archie. And
everybody got it. Everybody who
saw that went out there got the
boys are talking about that,
too. They got it like that. It
was interesting. No agenda, art
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There's no There's no limits up
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feel the show is worth to you.
Send that to us. Sometimes it's
just numerology. We'll get to
that with our Kevin McLaughlin
donations but we start off with
Countess Kim from Hubbard,
John C Dvorak: Oregon, of the
neti fluffers
Adam Curry: of the nadi fluffers
let me open up her note here
because she said today she's a
duchess in the morning Adam and
John. Jingles who? I hadn't
hadn't seen the note. Screw your
freedom is one of them. Okay. F
cancer Archer due to karma and
Arnold screw your freedom
enclosed a birthday gift for
myself. This donation brings me
to Duchess May I now be known as
Duchess Kim, keeper of the
naughty fluffers and can I
please can I please get a
biscuit for my birthday? We'll
give you that. Right away. They
always give me a biscuit on my
birthday. I also wanted to
mention something about our
wonderful IRS Internal Revenue
Service. Besides outstanding
hold music. You were told that
they appreciate you being a
customer. I did not know there
were other options. Thank you so
much for all the YouTube do your
both are invaluable before I
found no agenda. I was living
under my bed with my tinfoil hat
on. Now. I can go out and public
tinfoil hat still firmly in
place and see all the loons
around me. Thank you for your
free speech. Duchess Kim Chem
keeper of the nutty fluffers
Hubbard Oregon $2,000 In a check
form, which we appreciate since
there's no PayPal fee. Thank you
very much, Kim and we will see
you we did tidal upgrade and
just a little bit thank you so
much and let me give you you're
required and requested. Jingle
edge. Where are we? There we go.
Screw you freedom. And then she
needed the F cancer karma
Unknown: you've got karma
Adam Curry: that wasn't our two
d two was that was our two d
two. sounds almost like
John C Dvorak: three or $33.67
comes in from Matt Dubois who's
in Draper Utah long note in the
morning this is my final
donation to get me a knighthood
as such are like my night name
to be served Mormon millennial.
Thanks for everything you guys
do. I have been listening since
before Trump got elected I'm
much saner for it. In fact, for
the last seven years I've been
hearing Adams thoughts on s s
our eyes and always thought
Nope, I need them and they are
great. At least for my
situation. You as well as of
about two months ago, I'm off my
SSRI and I feel like I've come
out of a fog. Without getting
into details life is much better
and I'm happier. I wanted to
share my experience so that
other listeners on the fence can
think about it. Please play the
first bit of weed don't talk
about Brandon and give me a
Trump's job karma for the
promotion I'm fighting for.
Lastly, on a Latter Day Saint as
a Latter Day Saint in Utah,
which is what they prefer being
called. So I'm surprised to use
the Mormon reference, which is
not it's not cool anymore. Last
year is a Latter Day Saint in
Utah. I'd appreciate it if you
would bring some green jello and
what it's funny is what you eat
when you're a Mormon, green
jello and cherry coke to the
round table. Actually, a lot of
real Mormons don't ever have a
coke because it has caffeine in
it. So there you go, I guess. I
guess that's just the one time
for the cherry coke. A ginger
ginger ale was suffice for the
future round. Okay, he's
referencing the caffeine. PS
easily the funniest thing I've
ever experienced is when whilst
role playing. Adam told John to
stay safe and John responded, go
f yourself. I had to pull over.
I was laughing so hard.
Adam Curry: That was a good one.
I think that maybe there was
another one. A couple of those.
You had one today your genius
play a little bit of what he
wanted to hear. Talk about jobs,
jobs, jobs.
Unknown: Karma
John C Dvorak: attributed to the
people eat lime jello with fruit
cocktail mixed into it. There
you go. There's your dessert.
Adam Curry: Thomas Ballmer is in
Iowa City, Iowa 333 dot 49. In
the morning, John and Adam, the
best podcast in the universe has
been killing it lately. Despite
the well documented lack of
donations. Please add my son
Nolan to the belated birthday
list. September 12. He was 17th
Also I'll hit 49 on the 25th of
this month thanks for all you do
that's tomorrow. You got it.
Thomas you're on it.
John C Dvorak: Sir See be in
Harris Minnesota. Three Three
IgM Genesis is a switcheroo
those donations for the value
for value from the goat karma
products local 33 meet up sir
EagleEye won the raffle for the
executive producer ship please
credit it to him. A great day
was had by all 70 threes Katie's
zero vi X sir CB the Baronet of
the builders.
Adam Curry: I think it's V JX.
Little hard to see on the font.
Oh, I'm sorry, Scott, the
welders in Brooklyn, New York
333 33. Please accept this
modest donation for the
incredible service you guys
provide. My father has been in
the hospital for the past six
weeks dealing with a D Cubitus.
ulcer. Whatever it is, doesn't
sound good. You know what this
is to Cubitus de Cubitus que
bitis DQ bitis doesn't sound as
great. Yes, not only that, but
it's one of the worst of
hospitals ever seen. He has many
months to go after five
surgeries requesting prayers.
You got it. Healing thoughts and
good vibrations from everyone
and get my nation for my pops.
Along with some health and goat
karma. Also, today is my
birthday. My good friend, our
hero always said you are
responsible for your own orgasm.
What a great friend. So give me
a biscuit for the birthday. Oh,
he wants a whole load on top of
it. Okay, do we have a whole
load? Got a whole load for you.
And we'll give you that? Good
Karma. They always give me a
biscuit on my birthday. I'm
Unknown: gonna give you the
whole load.
You've got
John C Dvorak: your Isshin
Hudson, Wisconsin. I have no
note from him. I can't find a
note from him. 333 Dots three
three. I'm going to give him a
double karma.
Unknown: You've got karma.
Adam Curry: Will gherkin checks
in from Centennial Colorado 333.
Where was this crowd fun shout
out on no agenda for karma opoli
from Sir Mike of axehead
watchmakers, did I miss this
somewhere? I listened to every
donation segment unless I'm
three plus episodes behind I
can't imagine we'd have trouble
coming up with $20,000 Okay,
first of all, I answered him
this note and I sent him the
link from bing.io we most
definitely discussed Yes, we
talked about it. So I questioned
his sincerity if
John C Dvorak: you got one and I
didn't and it turned out you had
to prototype
Adam Curry: yes. He said I just
send another 333 is promised
sorry for the delay things been
crazy. That brings me to
knighthood, but I'll send
accounting and title claims
sometime in the future. Like I
said things are crazy. had to
make some time to pay you and
John, we appreciate it. We'll
and with things being so crazy
understand why you might have
missed the donation segment.
It's Okay brother. Thank you so
much.
John C Dvorak: The Indie no
agenda tribal meetup in
Greenwood, Indiana 917 ending in
a tribal meetup this raffle
switcheroo donation on behalf of
Dame Swanee in the morning from
Dame Swanee and please give me
some goat karma. Hope to see you
in Indy at one of our no agenda
meetups which he promised to go
to.
Unknown: You've got karma
Adam Curry: I hate to do this to
you. But I think you need to do
this next one because it's our
last
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pagkain.
Unknown: There it is.
John C Dvorak: Late Lakewood
Colorado. Jobs common for a
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Unknown: jobs, jobs,
jobs, karma.
Adam Curry: And this concludes
our executive and Associate
Executive Producers not a long
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though. Thank you. These credits
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So we recommend IMDb where
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thank you very much for being
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producers of episode 1593.
Unknown: Our formula is this. We
go out we get people in the
mouth
Adam Curry: and John's going to
take us through to the 50s and
we'll get to our nice things our
title changes and of course
meetup reports we got quite a
few today.
John C Dvorak: Sure loud pipe
starts us off in Charlotte,
North Carolina $197.70 These are
a lot of job requests job karma,
which that at the end. Paul
Daniels in Fort grayish coal
grad there's a way of
pronouncing this. The gravi are
at I O T Township Michigan needs
a de douching you've been de
deuced became in with 150 also
$110 from Jamie falacci Oh and
Clift their plot shows plus CEOs
in Clifton, Virginia 110 in
field 100, Sir lineman in an
Illinois 100. He's got a bunch
of 30 threes coming at him.
Brady in Lee's Summit, Missouri
9933 Jason maror and Vancouver
Washington 808 Kevin McLaughlin,
the Archduke of Luna lover of
American boobs comes here with
808 to promote breast vine
melons. Sir Boober in Nan
Nevada, Iowa 808 pisser Boober.
This is his quarterly boob
donation. Thank you, Gary Blatt
and Wayne, Pennsylvania 7777.
Thomas Ekman in San Francisco,
California 68. Kevin McLaughlin,
again in Concord, North
Carolina, the Archduke of Luna
Pino mill. I've had these melons
Pepino melon. This is Pineo 606
s small boobs. David Jarman in
North, Tara Mara, in Australia,
New South Wales. Ed Schwartzman
in South Miami, Florida. 5784
Nisa de douching. You've been de
deuced Scott Barrett and for
Johnson, Louisiana 5510 Herbert
Garrett 55 Kansas double nickels
on the dime from Raleigh, North
Carolina Surprise, surprise, in
Yukon, Oklahoma 5444. Forrest
Martin 5005. And now we have the
$50 donors. I'm just gonna do
the names and locations run
through starting with Sir
Patrick may come in New York
City, Robert Han in Poway cat,
California, or Poway. Poway. It
is pretty sure Poway Tatiana
Prince in Hollywood, Florida
Michael Sikora in New Richmond,
Wisconsin, Donald lock in
Pottsville, Pennsylvania.
Michael Romano in Sebastopol,
California. Greg Huff, in
Austin, Texas, gaucho
woodworking in Redondo Beach.
Gaucho woodworking. By the way,
have a nice sight. Kate, I
should get some stuff from them
Kate Haskell in San Rafael
California. Alexa Delgado in
Aptos. California. Alex David
Perdue in Snow Hill, North
Carolina Samuel Kennedy in North
Riverside, Illinois, Brian
humble in Wimberley, Texas.
Charles Boyd in San Marcos,
Texas. Andrew Butterfield in
Bettendorf, Iowa unloaded 50s
Today, Diego Lopez crane in
Ithaca, New York. Herbert J.
ratter. In New York City, West
Stewart in Mesa, Arizona
birthday coming up for somebody
in the Steven crummy family in
El Cajon. And Michael stadium,
Parts Unknown and last on the
list is Tracy Sullivan in Tinley
Park, Illinois. I want to thank
these people for making show
1593 We're getting close to 1600
Happy reality.
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you to
these producers, our executive
and Associate Executive
producers. We got our nights
note from James Jackson, who
sent he became an instant night
on the last show he sent we got
his note so it'd be knighted
today. And he humbly requested
dT d deuced. And from this day
forward he shall be known as Sir
James of the rolling hills. God
bless jingle requests big baller
PS go cowboys.
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze only
Impala
Adam Curry: and as always,
thanks everyone under 50
Typically for reasons of
anonymity 4999 Is is a big one
that we see when people are
doing that anonymously but also
people who are on our many
sustaining donations you can
make one up yourself we ever
1111 1212 30 threes all kinds of
groovy ones which you can find
at our donation website. Please
go there and support the show
with some value in return.
for.org/n A.
Thomas Ballmer wishes his son
Nolan that happy belated
birthday was on the 12th Surfing
of the BMWs and Bulldogs Happy
Birthday to his smokin hot wife,
Jennifer Roediger and she turned
41 Once you turn 41 Today,
Thomas Ballmer turns 49 Tomorrow
Steven Crummer celebrates on
October 2, don't just Kim is
celebrating as his Scott the
welder and belated Happy
birthday to my sister in law
Tony Dockery and my mother in
law Pat Allen nice and happy
birthday from everybody here at
the best podcast in the
universe. Change I
don't want to be induced.
There's never douchebaggery when
it comes to a title change as
you heard earlier, Countess Kim
came in big today and really
supported the show. And she now
becomes well she becomes Duchess
Chem keeper of the nutty
fluffers. And thank you so much
Duchess can we appreciate that
and we shall for now,
forevermore until you change
that. call you by your official
title Duchess Kim. Two nice
things to go of course James and
Matt so we got a sword here
which I'd like this sword. This
John C Dvorak: is a way go. Oh,
that's
Adam Curry: the Bejeweled heft.
Oh, nice. I like that a lot.
Careful now. Don't want that
jewel to pop out. James Jackson,
Matt DuBois. off both of you go
on the podium. Both of you have
become knight to the nogen
roundtable today thanks to your
support of the show in the
amount of $1,000 more and I'm
very proud to pronounce Kate the
s Sir James of the rolling hills
and Sir Mormon millennial
gentlemen for you. We've got
hookers and blow red boys and
Chardonnay of course green jello
and cherry coke heartless and
how tall pepperoni rolls and
pale ales cow girls and coffin
varnish Gaston sock sock a we've
got beroukhim della Boggess and
bourbon sparkling cider and
escorts. We have breast milk and
Pavlov gingerale and Germans big
favorite. And of course as
always the mutton and Mead. And
while you're sampling the green
jello and cherry coke, go to no
agenda rings.com Take a look at
those handsome night and Dame
rings only you to get them
today. So use the handy sizing
guide to send us to that to us
along with your address. And of
course that will come complete
with wax to seal your important
correspondence. It is after all
a signet ring and an official
certificate of authenticity. No
one
now you'll recall we had a lot
of meetups last is Thursday on
the 21st. So I expected to have
quite a number of meet up
reports which we have. However
unless you have an enormous
amount of people like Indiana,
there's no reason your meet up
reports have to be over a minute
long produce with funky stuff. I
don't have time to edit all this
stuff. So keep it within reason,
folks, please Arlington,
Virginia. Let's start with them.
Unknown: Hey, this is DC girl at
the location of the first
Arlington meetup that took place
five years ago. Today we are
celebrating our special guests
sure such sir Shaun of Slovakia
and is smoking hot wife Bara in
the morning
and Slovakia we don't even know
if it's a real country. It could
be on the order of Narnia or
Brigadoon or what conda for all
I know I have not seen evidence
any evidence that it exists this
is
rounding
this is Jacob everybody glad to
be here my second meet up he's
Bitcoin
and this is Sir William a West
pencil tucky and Sir Sean shows
up in DC the same time as the
Lenski coincidence,
I think I think not. This
assertion of Slovakia with his
smokin hot wife Sir, not a dame
Barra enjoying a hell of a meet
up and thanks to DC girl and
Roger for setting this up. What
a great time.
SCHEFFER. Springfield.
Me too is back baby. Hey there,
this is Trini murti. Some people
call me Baltimore. My name is
Trini
Ajay CD. Remember that?
His name is Trini. But my name
is Mike White. Comanche from
Arlington has been great meeting
everybody. I also promised CSP
that I would I would shout him
out as one of my favorite people
on the internet CSB on Mastodon
and Twitter or CSB dot lol
follow me hailing from
Alexandria I promised I would
Adam Curry: write the spokes in
Arlington thank you for your
Meetup report Dix, Bert
Unknown: right it's sir CV and
ser de expert here in Wyoming
Minnesota at the cornerstone pub
and prime with the goat karma
producers local 33 meet up. The
return of service experts say
predict fruit.
Adam John can't tell you how
much fun I had. And now this
meetup has a spooky bone put up
Adam John, this is Dame god of
the 10 key in the morning. In
the morning. This is Peter with
Dame God the 1010 key going for
the hattrick
circuitous route of the scooter
clubs. I want the dude scream
karma. Alrighty, I'm Adam and
John Cerignola here providing
feed forward to the millennials
in the group Anonymous Jamie
here. Great meet up thanks
gents. i This is
Katie M sir. seavees former
sugar mama now I'm just the
cabana girl. Hey Jen. Adam. It's
putting this is my first meetup
is good time. Wrap it up, John.
All right. That's it from the
cornerstone pub and prime and
Wyoming Minnesota. Come on next
time. Watch the meetups website
and we'll get her done. Have a
good night. In the morning. Yes,
Adam Curry: thank you very much.
And we go get your callsign Oh,
yes, kilo five Alpha. Charlie,
Charlie, thank you very much.
And we go to Los Angeles for Leo
Bravo flight of the
Unknown: it's Leo Bravo meet up
number 44. Folks have something
to say. Here we go. COVID in the
morning. Happy Birthday Jesse.
In the morning. This is Jesse
half jacked.
In the morning. This is Eric.
Sir medic. Mike in the morning.
In the morning.
We're almost out of blow but
it's still party equinox in the
morning.
Adam Curry: They are very rowdy
over there in Los Angeles. Now
to Rosarito, Mexico. This
Unknown: is Brian of London, and
I'm at the Rosarito meetup in
Mexico, and people came here
from Jesse.
Hello, this is Jesse. I'm in
Rosarito with Brian of London,
having the time of our lives in
the morning, gentlemen,
in the morning, this is stalkers
from pipe fest, Freedom meetup,
we
all know agenda lovers here.
Come on down. We're having a
great time. It looks at the
freedom lovers. There's others
out there all the best no
agenda. We love you.
Adam Curry: We love you too.
Thank you very much sir Brian of
London, South Dakota.
Unknown: In the morning, this is
Dr. I at the boots on the ground
meetup in San Diego at the
meadery Hari Krishna
This is damn moment AI or not AI
you decide in the morning David
Kelly of the crushed grapes
This is Sir Matthew black men of
the ice giants who needs the
hair of the dog when you can
drink mead called the jackal a
this is Sir my guides em guys
loving it here with our San
Diego no agenda fans in the
morning this is Sir cam in the
morning this is halfway third.
Vic definitely not a spook
is my concerns he?
Definitely honestly but I think
I've seen a guy or two around
here that might glow in the
dark.
Adam Curry: And our final one
comes from Sonoma Wine Oh
country.
Unknown: In the morning, Adam
and John this is Sir
recalcitrant crazy Steve the
second that Sonoma wine country
meetup 2.0. John, keep bumping
that microphone. I like it.
Suresh Meister here asking
everyone.
Are we having fun?
That's a good question.
Adam Curry: It's not a great
one.
Unknown: Sir Casey, here at the
meet up here in Sonoma County.
Let's have fun, everybody.
All right, Linda from the Shire
of Sebastopol. Special thanks to
our sir Councilman Steve and
always thanks to John and Adam,
who are the OG pod masters. In a
world full of weird pod casts,
okay. Sonoma County.
Adam Curry: Love. Love. Love
this lens. Max first meet up in
the morning. Tighten it up.
People tighten it up, please. I
had an idea. I don't know what
to say. Tighten it up.
Unknown: Sir Preston calling
Casey up for Stolen Valor. He's
not a knight. Thanks, Steve, for
making this happen.
We love you guys in the morning.
Adam Curry: There you go
wrapping it up. And thanks to
Sir SCOBY for his written report
about the 33rd annual nap for
humanity meet up on the 17th was
a great success five and
attendance sort of psychopath
who hosted the golf outing.
Sirloin super freak of the cat
cut, cut Arwa Weaver with
Joshua, his smokin hot
girlfriend, Sierra Sierra. And
there was much laughter there
you go now. Okay, thank you so
much. And thank you all for
sending in your reports. And you
can hear that there's something
going on. There is a revival of
sorts, people are getting
together, hanging out, doing
things that we all got
traumatized about doing during
COVID and we all have some form
of trauma, but this is what you
need to get back in the game.
And no one else is doing this
certainly not for a podcast but
if you do you'll find that that
connection brings you protection
go to no agenda meet ups.com You
will not regret it. Find one
near you. If you can't start one
yourself. It's really easy.
Unknown: Sometimes you go hang
out with Dyson days. You won't
be triggered. You wouldn't be
feels the same. Is like a bar.
Adam Curry: Always like a party.
Oh, man. Such a good good
groups. We love that. We're
making difference in people's
lives. You keel over you still
there? Ah. I suppose I got two
here we go. I don't think you
could hear what they said there.
No, no. How about this one?
Science. I kind of like that.
Ah, I thought that was kind of
cute. Okay, um, tu tu,
John C Dvorak: tu tu. All right,
but you gotta try. Wow. 10 Wow.
Adam Curry: So yeah, something
else. Oh, what happened to the
AMA? This one.
Unknown: Do something.
Adam Curry: There you go do
something. I'll take it's a good
one. It sounds good. I like I
like to do something top notch.
John C Dvorak: You know that is
Biden. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I wanted to play a
quick couple of clips here
because this showed up on
American Public Media's
marketplace. Which is isn't an
NPR program.
John C Dvorak: One of them.
Yeah, I
Adam Curry: think it airs on
NPR. We should
John C Dvorak: play the it's one
of the public. Yeah.
Unknown: elitist voices of
America. This is NPR
or PBS.
Adam Curry: And this is a very I
thought a very important part
and clip because it It foretells
the future of AI and how AI is
going to fail. And have you
heard of model collapse? No,
model collapse
Unknown: is this. The problem
with AI output right now is that
it's really good but it's
something I'm just a little off
like you're talking to chuck
GPT. And it's, it's like it's
99% there, but it's 1%. Inhuman
in a kind of a weird way. And so
what Mala claps is, is those
little inhuman things getting
compounded and rolled up, right?
Because the AI is being trained
on a previous one. So it's kind
of learning that weirdness, and
then it starts turning into a
little snowball.
Yeah, it starts to get really
bad. Right, right. Yeah.
I mean, like, it's like, if you
do it over several generations,
you know, the first generation,
it's kind of making sense. And
the second one is starting to,
like, you know, just say odd
words. An analogy might be, if
you were to take a famous
painting or a photo like like
the Mona Lisa, or, you know, a
picture of, you know, King Kong
on top of the Empire State
Building, and you were to
photocopy it. And then photocopy
the photocopy. And then
photocopy the photocopy.
Eventually, I started to
John C Dvorak: sort of live with
the guy who's got a weird
cadence. What is this guy?
Adam Curry: Oh, they both are
weird. Oh, no, no, they're both
very weird. But they're, they're
just trying to make, they're
trying to explain in very simple
terms, what model collapses
state
Unknown: building, and you were
to photocopy it, and then
photocopy the photocopy, and
then photocopy the photocopy,
eventually, it starts to sort of
look really weird, because the
photocopy is sort of, you know,
99% accurate. But that 1%
inaccuracy will change, maybe
the contrast or the color, make
it a little too white, little to
black. And then after the
hundreds time, you've got a
really weird looking picture.
Adam Curry: So first of all, I
think your observation is, and I
can say this, with some
certainty is either Adderall or
Vyvanse, I would make a lot of
sense for this age group. But
this is model collapse, where
you know, the, in the case of
the type of AI you've been
playing around with, where you
type, in some words, it creates
an image, and then that you post
that image to the internet,
either on your social media or
in the newsletter, it gets out
there, the AI sucks it up again.
And then before, you know, you
don't have five foot, six
fingers, you got 20 fingers,
it's everything gets all messed
up, because the AI keeps
learning from its own mistakes.
And this has implications,
Unknown: what are the
implications of model collapse?
Well, the implications are that,
you know, maybe all of these
language models are over the
next few years is going to start
to become worse and worse and
worse, right? That's one
possibility. If model collapse
is really a serious thing, and
open AI, and Google and
Microsoft, and everyone just
keeps on scraping the internet
and feeding it to train their
models, they, they could get
much worse models. And we could
be using models that answer, you
know, even more unpredictably
and even longer than they do
now.
Adam Curry: longer, longer. even
longer. I think, I think I think
this is a real problem. They
think
John C Dvorak: it's not, why not
to correct these things,
somewhere along the line. People
known as coders.
Adam Curry: No, wait, but that's
the beauty of it. Yes, you're
right, there is a solution to
model collapse, surprise, it's
humans.
Unknown: I doubt that's the way
it's gonna go. Because I think
all these people that run these
models create these models are
going to see this happening and
get very worried about it. And
they're either going to not
release a new model that's, you
know, even more deranged than
existing lies. They'll probably
try and find some way that
they'll find some way to cope
with it, fix it, right. Like you
could pay humans just to write
new probes for you. You could
say like, we you know, I need I
need a billion more lines of
stuff, please just write stuff,
write anything so that we can
feed it the model? You know,
that
John C Dvorak: was the right a
billion lines of anything, but
Okay. Say it again? Well, you
said you can hire humans to
write a billion lines. And
Adam Curry: he's talking about
pros.
John C Dvorak: He's literally
no, yeah, so this one you can't
have nobody writes a billion
lines.
Adam Curry: Now he's on Pisan
Vyvanse. The point is, that the
only way to make AI work it's
not as can't self learn, it
can't self learn because it's it
feeds all its mistakes back into
itself in a recursive manner.
And it winds up turning into
blubber
Unknown: stuff please just write
stuff write anything so that we
can feed it the model you know,
that's that's one thing they
could do. The other thing is
they could maybe try to save you
know, shards of the of the older
training datasets and use them
to sort of freshen things up
that there's a lot of different
AI techniques you can use and I
think they're going to have to
lean into discovering even new
ones to cope with this over the
next five to 10 years.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm all in on
this this this and by the way,
just shows that AI is bunk. His
bunk
John C Dvorak: was not a AI
that's for sure. It's just a
text it's a technology to
Iterative technology is used for
all kinds of good things. Here
an AI Art Generator
Adam Curry: you're not good
things they're horrible things
they're no good.
John C Dvorak: Well turn about
no good i My last clip.
Adam Curry: Now you don't give a
crap about what I'm saying. then
you just want to get to your
last clip. No,
John C Dvorak: no, I what you're
saying I just think it's bold
crap. What is very strong
technology is going to have a
lot of implications on both the
art world and elsewhere.
Adam Curry: Okay, all right. You
know what it's going to eat the
world we're all gonna die. I
didn't say that give you Elon
number. I think it's going
nowhere. This is not going
anywhere. It will not have
strong implications we can agree
to disagree.
John C Dvorak: New York City,
Robocop.
Adam Curry: Another AI
invention.
Unknown: Robo cops in New York
City. The NYPD today rolling out
a new security robot to patrol
around the Time Square subway
station. The 420 pound device
will be working from six in the
morning to midnight, while
accompanied by an actual cop.
Here's Mayor Eric Adams
announcing the launch
conference.
We are committed to exploring
innovative tools to continue to
make this city the safest big
city in America. And this robot
K five, it has the potential to
serve as an important tool in
our toolbar.
The robot will do actively
recording videos throughout its
shift for the NYPD to review.
Officials say the machine
doesn't have facial recognition
and it won't be recording audio.
It'll be on duty for two months
as a pilot program.
John C Dvorak: What good is it?
Adam Curry: Well, I don't know.
That seems to me, that's your
that's your AI right there and a
beginner
John C Dvorak: just dumb it's
gonna be a fancy. Just say Look,
don't turn the sound on heaven
forbid you catch it, hearing
anything. And second, what's the
why not have facial recognition
that God can't do it?
Adam Curry: I am still I'm still
blown away by you saying that AI
will have significant
implications in the art world.
Have you seen the art that we
had to moan about because it was
so crap?
John C Dvorak: Nobody's using
the good stuff.
Adam Curry: There is no good
stuff. There is no good stuff.
John C Dvorak: There's good
stuff Believe me,
Adam Curry: where's the output
of the good stuff?
John C Dvorak: I could send you
some links to some stuff that's
you know, got plenty of guy
quality output. It's just It's
astonishing some of it where
it's gonna is completely
destroyed the spot art business
for sure. What is spot art
business? Well, when you see we
read an article and there's a
little piece of art in the
middle just to kind of emphasize
aspects of the article. It's
called Spot art. People scatter
spot art through lots of
generally essays
Adam Curry: Wow, that's gonna
upset the world.
John C Dvorak: Big deal. I used
to have a spot art guy when I
was at Mac user and they got rid
of him and they started using
this tool called call outs,
which is just blowing up the
tape real big and I demanded to
get my spot art guy back like I
did.
Adam Curry: The spot art will
suck up its own spot art and
it'll just it'll just the
fidelity will fade over time.
Yeah, okay. This is a money grab
for it. This is the new
blockchain. No way. And I'm just
you know what? to coin a phrase.
I'm not buying it. Oops, I don't
know why I did that.
John C Dvorak: It's AI.
Adam Curry: Oh, with AI that
wouldn't have happened. Yeah,
that's true. That's true. Oh, my
goodness. Comics, your blogger
no need to post anything. He's
like, there's lots of money to
be made in AI. If you're an AI
programmer. I know. That's where
the money is. Well, we shall
see. We shall see. Coming up. No
agenda stream.com. We have that
Larry show. And we have end of
show mixes from see what do we
have here? Somehow something got
messed up. We have DS laughs and
we have Nostradamus and I'm
coming to you from the heart of
the Texas hill country here in
FEMA Region number six. I say in
the morning to you. I'm Adam
curry
John C Dvorak: in from Northern
Silicon Valley where I just
realized I'm working with a
Luddite named John C Devorah.
Adam Curry: won't take you back
john. No matter what your drive.
Remember us at the vorak.org/na
we will return on Thursday. Join
us for that will you until then
adios mofos Hui Hui, and such
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next? Will it be the windshield?
Maybe they index as Gadem if it
feels like a Texas wave saying
that we have scorched earth you
don't say wet bulb dry bulb
thermometer John TV
environmental inspector our
barometer listen to NPR see how
it all gets me code switching
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the conspiracies without
tracking the crazies on the tin
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what can the public even do to
withstand that so high you can
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