November 23rd, 2023 • 3h 38m
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Devorah. It was November
23 2023. This Year Award winning
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everybody I'm Adam curry in
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where everyone's
watching Thanksgiving Day
Parade. I'm John C. Dvorak skill
Adam Curry: which has been
interrupted by protesters.
John C Dvorak: Did you see it? I
saw some clips of the
protesters. The parade in
Washington parade on NBC which
is not affiliated with blah blah
blah. I didn't see any gay
anything
Adam Curry: any any what any gay
anything
John C Dvorak: well, they're
supposed to be all these gay the
big gays. No, no, no, no, no,
no,
Adam Curry: this is the
Palestinian protesters. The gays
are stayed home for the
Palestinians are
John C Dvorak: supposed to be
gays incorporated into parade.
That was like two days. I'm
sorry. Now gay trans is it's a
different queers. different
Adam Curry: careers for turkeys.
John C Dvorak: All I knows I
didn't get to see much. No like
me. Me who did the big giant
list today. Big
Adam Curry: giant. The giant
list. Oh, the donation list. You
mean? No.
John C Dvorak: The list. The
meat is the meat. That giant?
Well, she said it was a huge one
today. She's talking to me.
Nevermind. A show.
Adam Curry: Oh wow. Yes, yes.
Oh, oh. Anaconda. DeVore. Ack.
Yes. Yes. What can we do for you
John C Dvorak: stay calm. She
said you'd ever played the book
anymore? Oh,
Adam Curry: boy. Wow. She's
getting feisty. Yeah, well, it's
never one of our one of our
producers plug the book just the
other day and the meetup
segment, they were plugging it.
Never plugged the book anymore
was sales are slacking off. And
now she's like, she has to come
to the no agenda show to fix it.
Hello. I didn't mean to insult
she
John C Dvorak: said it. I said
we said it just to say hello. I
didn't
Adam Curry: mean to insult you.
Hey, hold on a second. Are you
there? Yeah. Okay. Well, what
happened?
John C Dvorak: We'll see. I may
have to switch networks.
Adam Curry: Okay. Anyway, I
believe this is the first
Thanksgiving that you and I have
celebrate together. We both have
turkey calls.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's right.
Yes. We
Adam Curry: both have a turkey
call. Where's your turkey? Call?
Man?
John C Dvorak: Good question.
Adam Curry: Don't tell me don't
have your one day when you
should be.
John C Dvorak: I never thought
about it. Wow. Me
Adam Curry: too busy worrying
about too many eggs.com. I mean,
you go well, while you're
looking for that, in along the
lines of your newsletter, which
was very good. As usual. I will
play a clip from a from I
believe this to be a millennial
aged woman in America. Looks
like. There you go. There you
go. Looks like she's got a nice
little nice pad out there in the
wilderness. She's just sitting
on a nice balcony. And she just
doesn't believe in traditional
Thanksgiving. Oh, no.
Unknown: Can we decolonize
Thanksgiving the same way we
decolonized Columbus Day, can we
renamed thanksgiving to tribal
nations Day, a day where we
still have dinner with our
families or friends or for
babies. But we also have with
Native Voices and native
businesses. And we learn the
true history of tribal nations
within this country, and where
we decolonize our landscapes and
plant native plants instead of
invasive species. And that will
in turn, also support native
wildlife and to decolonize our
foods and incorporate
traditional foods from within
our area. I think all of this
will help decolonize our spaces
decolonize
Adam Curry: our spaces. Why
can't we just have traditional
like Thanksgiving? You know,
where we just all get together
and we thank we give thanks.
Everybody
John C Dvorak: wants to make a
fuss? Yes. Everybody
Adam Curry: does want to make a
fuss. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to
tell everyone the true story of
Thanksgiving as you often do on
this, this day of giving thanks?
Well,
John C Dvorak: I wasn't prepared
to do that. So I've counted
every year. There was a link to
the story in the newsletter from
a previous newsletter, which I
discussed Sit in great detail,
but it largely was kind of came
into being as a day of
Thanksgiving, it was always
called after soldiers were
killed. And after the Civil War,
Lincoln actually initiated, what
would I think amounts to the
current Thanksgiving Day, but
the initial story is just bogus.
And there was a harvest
festival. They had something
that kind of came and went for a
couple of years, but not a whole
Thanksgiving story is completely
false. Okay, and so I always
thought that it would be under
pressure to be changed to
something else but
Adam Curry: national tribe
betrayed tribal nations day has
taken it a bit far. But see,
John C Dvorak: the problem is
it's like a trip this
Thanksgiving has become a
tradition. I think since the
Depression. Yeah, and it has and
it gives you that extra the key
is that extra Friday off, you
start Yes, that's what it's all
about messing with thanksgiving,
you're messing with that extra
day off and it could go the
whole thing can go away, and
you're gonna lose a four day
holiday. We're in the middle of
nowhere, which is really people
price. This is a big deal to get
that that many days off for a
bogus holiday. Yes. And
Adam Curry: it's always change
it. It's a difficult one,
particularly for, for Americans
post COVID. Because, you know,
we have to get together with our
families and families were split
were ripped apart over divides
not just there's
John C Dvorak: at least a year
or maybe two where you it was
like illegal to have
Thanksgiving dinner because
Adam Curry: you would kill
Grandma Grandma would be dead.
So you know, we still have these
uncomfortable conversations.
What are we going to talk about
the table, particularly if it's,
if it's politically there's
political divides and families
and there was a lady who called
it on CSPAN and told us what she
was going to tell her relatives
at the Thanksgiving table today.
Unknown: Hi, how are you?
Morning? I have a couple of
comments when it comes up at my
family's Thanksgiving dinner. I
will remind my family because
we're all dog lovers. I don't
think Trump loves dogs. He's
always cutting down dogs and
treating terrorists calling them
dogs. And anyone that has no
compassion for animals is not on
my bucket list. So I'm going to
remind them about that
Adam Curry: Trump hates dogs.
Like it isn't it's not on my
bucket list of you hate dogs.
Hey, lady, I was a dog hater for
a long time have come around.
It's true. But I will say I'm
very thankful this year
extremely thankful for no agenda
nation. For the clip collector,
the clip custodian for bar end
of show mixers, for artists for
our producers, yes, for every
single producer who delivers
time, talent and treasure to the
show. I'm grateful that we get
to do this even on this day of
giving of thanks. National
Tribal day, nation. Was it
tribal nations day, First
Nations first First Nations day.
And of course, I'm thankful for
you, John. I'm very thankful. I
mean, that I'm thankful for you.
Yeah. And we've taken to ask we
were shopping yesterday. We and
we know when we encounter so
much. So what are you thankful
for this year? And it's it takes
many people by surprise. What?
What? They haven't even thought
about it. This is how deep we've
sunk in in this country, in our
country. And the people don't
even think about oh, well, isn't
it? I'm thankful for Black
Friday, thankful for Cyber
Monday, and they'll get me on
some deals. In fact, this is
Black Friday week, is Black
Friday in the Netherlands. I
mean, they have England has the
same thing they bought into
Black Friday. But there was one
moment which took us aback as
Tim was buying, like a tree
ornament as a gift for someone.
And we say it she says to the
checkout lady, probably about
about 40 I'd say like 30 What
are you thankful for? I am just
happy to be alive. I'm like,
yep, praise the Lord. Yes. She
says because I had a heart
attack last year, like what just
yet came out of nowhere. Tina
and I looked at each other like
yeah, no, I shouldn't have said
that. Uh, gee, I forgot. Hey,
did you get the VAX? No, no, no,
no, no, no. Anyway, it's been a
fantastic week as the Great
Awakening has begun. I already
felt this was coming as I was
texting with taxi Eric, about
the Dutch elections. And
Christina and my nephew both
were saying, we're so sick of
this. We're so sick of
everything. I think Christina
said, you know, the leftist in
our country. They really have
nice unicorn dreams but we're
sick of this. And they all voted
for feared builders
Unknown: in the Netherlands. The
Dutch popular As to heat Villars
for a landslide election win
tonight, and the latest far
right victory across Europe.
Supporters celebrated this
evening in The Hague, as
projections showed builder's
anti Islam anti immigration
party winning the most seats in
parliament. He called for a
governing coalition
is the company of obey. Now the
campaign is over and the voters
have spoken. And now we will
also have to look for agreements
with each other. From a
wonderful position with 35
seats, we can no longer be
ignored by any party.
Before the election, mainstream
Dutch parties largely dismissed
any talk of a coalition with
builders, a very
Adam Curry: poor report from
PBS. But
John C Dvorak: what do you
expect? It was pretty lame, but
I had to but it is interesting
how the other parties refused to
have anything to do with him.
And now he went
Adam Curry: through, but that's
also not true. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: well, good. This
shows that the report is worse
than I thought
Adam Curry: the other so there
is one large party the green and
Labour Party, they got together
and still couldn't get them
nowhere near the amount of seats
that he had builders got. But he
actually changed his message
about a year ago. And he says,
look, look like we he really
pull he dialed back the
Islamophobic stuff, which he
never was Islamophobic he said,
We don't need immigration in our
country, non immigration
country. And Islam brings
trouble. He he dialed that back
and said, All right, everybody
who's here, you're Dutch, you're
Dutch. I'm here for all Dutch
people. And the VVD, which is
the center right party. They
they got a new gal to run the
show. And she said, you know, we
could actually work with hered
builders. So now you have and
he's like, the far right.
John C Dvorak: I mean, he's the
same thing in Argentina, but
Adam Curry: I got that too. But
let me just let me just tell
you, I mean, so Europe is
clutching his pearls over this.
Oh, no, they're all gonna fall
far right? Oh, no, we're
shocked. We're shocked. Of
course, LePen in France is like,
Hey, this is good. But
everyone's got a shot now. Still
work there. France is saying,
Oh, no, this is this is a
problem. And they kind of
recognize that immigration is an
issue. Scandinavia. Oh, far
right. islamophobe. But the this
is, this is what he handily did.
The guy has been in Dutch
politics for almost 25 years.
And he finally got his shot
because it was time everybody
was sick. And the reason why the
Dutch government fell the
cabinet fell is over immigration
that people are waiting in
Holland This is socialist
country. You're waiting five
years on the list to be allowed
to rent a home and incomes boop
boop boop Hey, I'm an asylum
seeker. I'm taking your home
thanks government. So people
were sick of it. Just a couple
of these clips is BBC News Hour
had their typical slant
Unknown: the first exit polls so
the Dutch general election are
showing a commanding lead for
the far right populist anti
immigrant Freedom party led by
here builders. The other main
player in the ballot, former EU
commissioner France Timmermans
left green alliance to better
than predicted in the polis. Our
correspondent Anna Halligan
joins us from The Hague and Anna
this lead for the Freedom party
led by her filters, is it
substantiated by early results?
There's a lot to unpack there
isn't there are these results
surpass, I think probably even
his own greatest expectations.
Garrett fielder's Freedom Party
is indeed the largest party. And
what that means is not
necessarily that he will be the
next Prime Minister of the
Netherlands, but that he will be
given the first opportunity to
try to form a coalition
government and we have had an
indication from him already. He
has made a victory speech. And
he appears to be reaching out to
the other parties signaling he's
prepared to compromise. So he
wants to control the tsunami of
asylum within the limits of the
Constitution.
And well, obviously, the people
in the Netherlands have voted
for the party that they wanted,
but this will be causing some
nervousness I would imagine in
Brussels. Absolutely.
Yes. Your builders fails to
convince enough other parties to
join him in a governing
coalition. If the other parties
refuse to do that they will be
accused of failing to listen to
the voice of the people when
such a significant portion of
the population who voted for
this man and just in the context
of Brussels, bear in mind, in
his manifesto, he has offered
the possibility
Adam Curry: Oh, now he has a man
if he's not interesting, it's
called a party program. But the
BBC calls it his manifesto
John C Dvorak: disassociated
This is the kind of thing that
these guys do in fact using the
term far right over so make any
real sense he's a conservative
Yes. Yes best yeah the far right
is another associative term used
to indicate fascism or Hitler
Yes. Yes with manifesto which,
and manifestos got you got your
Communist Manifesto. Yes, it's
ridiculous report. And the same
goes for by the way,
mispronouncing his name over and
over and over again is also a
form of insult,
Adam Curry: of course, and the
BBC should know better. So then
we have the same thing happening
in Argentina. And he is by his
own description of libertarian
which is forgive me if I get it
wrong, but libertarian is not
far right. Is it?
John C Dvorak: No and no I that
but it turns out according to
I've been watching this too.
He's the first actual
libertarian libertarian has ever
been elected to anything.
Anything.
Unknown: Libertarians in America
libertarians usually don't get
elected. No,
Adam Curry: no, the Libertarians
in America which I mean, no
offense to them at all. But I
was always like, I'm a
Republican, but I don't want to
say it. So I'm gonna call my I
have my own family say to me
trying to give me an out like,
because I'm not a member of any
party. Never have been. Say,
you're, you're a libertarian,
right?
John C Dvorak: What do you mean,
like claiming to be a
libertarian for about a year?
Yeah. But until I realize that
this does nothing, there is no,
there is no such thing. It's
just a bull crap. moniker that
you can use. Well, I believe in
this, I would call it like
Republicans who believe in get
in it in abortion. So
Adam Curry: the Dutch, someone
had actually put my name into
the hat somewhere. It's a Dutch
Libertarian Party. Not that I
would ever consider it but and
why I mean, I live in Texas,
and, and the leadership of the
parties. Oh, no. Oh, no, he's
too controversial. Oh, why is he
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This because
they're pussies. And I know I'm
gonna get a lot of libertarians
mad at me.
John C Dvorak: You know, there's
no real libertarians, I've come
to that conclusion. Well, that's
not true because for the guy in
Argentina,
Adam Curry: but do we call him a
libertarian,
Unknown: a seismic political
shift is underway here in
Argentina, as the far right
radical, outsider, an unknown
political force, far right,
radical outsider, Chile has
become elected president. Now
his supporters are flocking to
this hotel, which has become his
base camp for the base camp
lecture, that causing
the chanting his chanting
liberty, the name of his party
is Liberty advances. They're
convinced that he is the
solution to Argentina's chronic
problems. The economy is
struggling at the moment with
inflation running at 140%. And
it means that 40% of the
population is living below the
poverty line. He only became a
politician two years ago,
Gillis, he's promising radical
reforms as a result he's being
compared to Trump in the US. In
Brazil, he wants to adopt the
dollar as the official currency
of Argentina. He also wants to
close down the central bank and
slash public funding, as well as
relaxing gun laws. Now, how much
of this you will be able to
actually implement remains to be
seen his political party is very
new, and he only has a fraction
of the politicians in the lower
chamber and also a fraction of
the senators in the upper house
too. So he's gonna have to do a
lot of negotiating. But for the
moment, these people here don't
care. They're happy to take a
chance on this unknown
politician hoping that he will
be able to solve the country's
problems. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: think PBS also had a
Do they also have a thing? Yeah,
they had this thing on him here.
Unknown: Argentinian President
Elect Javier Millay celebrated
his election when amidst a
euphoric crowd,
boy, MP samosa Wilton a party
today we turn the page on our
history, and we return to the
path that we should never have
lost,
promising a new political era.
Bhakta
stop this impoverished model of
the cast.
Adam Curry: What is his voice
over the PBS out of money
because then, you know,
donations, this guy's in a tin
can. But it's very odd PBS.
Unknown: Today we embrace the
libertarian models.
Adam Curry: I think he's doing
it in the toilet. He's in the
bathroom somewhere doing this
voiceover hearing that you don't
hear it currently
Unknown: being a global power.
supporters filled the streets of
Buenos Aires last night hoping
malaise election that means an
end to decades of economic
crises. Good luck. And
I think this time Argentina
needs to change. And that's why
I bet on this new proposal.
Adam Curry: I'll just skip to
the end because it's too long
him bored of it. But this was
interesting.
Unknown: Chris Kennedy once
Yeah, Florida, Malay also
opposes abortion rights, wants
to end the Ministry of Women
gender and diversity and to
loosen gun restrictions. And
then he also famously has for
cloned dogs created in a New
York lab, whom he thanked when
he won the August primary.
Thank you. I want to thank the
four legged children, very
Milton, Robert,
and Lucas,
a novice politician who has
already grasped one of the
professions, oldest rules, if
you want a friend and politics,
get a dog, or four,
Adam Curry: I didn't know what
they were cloned dogs that he
had. That's kind of weird. He
had cloned dogs made in the New
York lab.
John C Dvorak: So there's been
cloned dogs for a long time.
Adam Curry: But the thing that I
really thought was just
interesting was that me, my
daughter, and she, she's now in
social services, she she works
as a, as a social worker, Now,
believe it or not. And then he
says he has a lot of lefties
around. But not everybody.
They're sick of it. They're
sick, sick, sick of it. They're
sick of the policies, the sick
of everything that's going on.
And I need to give him props.
Jordan Peterson was on Bill
Maher. And for as much crap as
we give him about this arc
outfit, he kind of nailed it
with this.
Unknown: Well, this is but this
is the this is the main issue. I
mean, part of the reason that
you see all this foolishness on
university campuses, too, is
because people have bought this
idiot meta Marxism, which is
that the way to look at every
social relationship that people
ever have is through the lens of
power. And the that is we can
put that squarely at the treat
of universities, as far as I'm
concerned. Just, you know,
marriage is a patriarchal
institution, and business is
nothing but oppression. And you
have to view every single
situation that emerged
historically as oppressor versus
oppressed. And then once you get
that which you can get in about
two minutes, if you say that in
the course that teaches that
sort of thing, you have a lens
to moralize about the whole
world true. And then you see the
situation is that a leftist have
already decided that
Palestinians are the victims.
And as you pointed out, if
you're a victim, then you're
morally righteous. And even more
conveniently, if you stand for
the victim, then you're morally
righteous, regardless of what
you do with your own life. And
that's pretty much what
university students are taught
from the time they enter the
university classroom. And that's
how they, you know, orient
themselves morally Well, and
that's at the hands of the
radical left to Bill and one of
the things the Democrats also
have to pay the price for, I
would say is their absolute
refusal to draw a line between
the moderate Democrats and the
extremist. They're completely
incapable of doing that. Like
I've talked to 40 senators and
congressmen in the last five
years, I asked them all the same
question cluding RFK? He
wouldn't answer either. When
does the left go too far? Well,
we certainly bloody well saw in
the last month didn't wait.
Because they got the oppressor
oppressive narrative a little
mocked up, we might say, and
we're gonna their consequences
and how they're going to unfold
pretty brutally over the next
few months.
John C Dvorak: She did nails
next few months, but
Adam Curry: sure, now it's
happening now. I think this is
happening. And the big thing is
politically, like now people
are, oh my god. I have these
really short little clips. Some
some of these people took their
children I'm talking seven year
olds seem like they were some
five year olds. They took them
to Washington DC. stood them
outside of the White House. Put
the camera put little cliffy A's
on them. It's all these kids are
in their Palestinian scarves.
And they made them say horrible
things. This Oh no, this is this
is rageous
John C Dvorak: when you say this
not gonna fold the next couple
of months. I don't see it. It's
still going in the wrong
direction. It's going to be
years before this is turned
around. Well, well, you're just
giving me more examples. No as
an example No,
Adam Curry: no, I think what
we're seeing now the reason why
they're going to have to turn
the tide particularly on Israel,
but also Ukraine we'll get to
that is because when you have
kids on the news doing this
that's just but now listen to
this one.
Biden Biden, why Do you say
John C Dvorak: you say how many
kids have you killed today?
Adam Curry: How many kids? Oh,
genocide
John C Dvorak: Joe has got to
go. And that's another one
Adam Curry: that's you know,
that's just kids who just the
parents taught him this stuff.
But this kid caught by outside
of the purview of his parents
has the quote of the day. Don't
believe Joe Biden. That's your
future Democrat voter. It is
Unbeliev Joe Biden ever. And
then you know, in Hollywood,
Hollywood is messy.
John C Dvorak: The kid even
knows who Joe by really knows
who Joe Biden is. Not Of course,
it's Perth. You're right. This
is child abuse at his war at the
most extreme, yes.
Adam Curry: And then you get
stuff like this
Unknown: academy award winning
actress Susan Sarandon has been
dropped from major Hollywood
agency Uta, following her
comments that American Jews are
getting a taste of what it feels
like to be a Muslim. And Her
comments come at a time America
is seeing a rise in anti
semitism. We know Susan Sarandon
from the hit movies Thelma and
Louise, and you want her Oscar
for dead man walking. But now
the internet is flooded with
calls for Susan Sarandon to
stick to acting and quit the
divisive rhetoric. She made the
comments that a pro Palestinian
rally in New York City last
Friday. Let's recap what she
said.
There are a lot of people that
are afraid, afraid of being
Jewish at this time and are
getting a taste of what it feels
like to be a Muslim.
Adam Curry: And she was a top
promoter of Biden against Trump.
So it's falling apart. And then
wait
John C Dvorak: a minute stop
there. I don't know if you
recall this, but she actually
was originally for Trump for
half a second. Well, until they
her peer group got on her. Yes.
And then she
Adam Curry: put a pussy hat on.
It was good to go. But we've
also reached peak incubator they
have nothing left to do. There's
no more propaganda. Once you're
here in
Unknown: each of these
incubators, fragile, tiny lives,
their babies are sick and
emaciated, born prematurely and
even more vulnerable because
during those first crucial
weeks, they were surrounded by
war. They evacuated first to
southern Gaza from the embattled
they'll ship a hospital in the
north on Monday to were reunited
with their mother. Today was the
first time I was able to see my
daughter's 39 days after I gave
birth. She says the feelings of
fear and worry and my emotional
state was very difficult. The
twins were among the 28 Babies
then evacuated to Egypt. A
freelance journalist working for
CBC News took this video has
they left to receive urgent care
so
Adam Curry: they had all the
babies in the incubator out of
the incubators incubator, I
mean, your peak incubator. So
then all right, the phone call
goes out like bro, Bb, bro, we
got to do something this You're
killing us over here, man.
Unknown: After a grueling 46
days, the Israeli parliament has
voted in favor of a hostage deal
with Hamas. Qatar has mediation
along with Egypt and the US have
secured a short but crucial
period of respite. It
looks ahead to me this deal
could signal a change in the
general atmosphere of this
conflict. This will be a break
in the wave and we'll create a
new reality that may convince
the Israelis that power doesn't
always achieve the desired
results. And that sitting at a
negotiation table is better and
can bring more practical results
for us. And for them, yeah, more
than what they can gain from the
battlefield.
Gonna deal promises some relief
for both sides. But Netanyahu
has made it clear. This is only
temporary.
But there is nonsense out there
as if after the ceasefire to
return the hostages. We will
stop the war and I'd like to
make it clear. We are at war and
we will continue the war until
we achieve all our goals,
eliminate a mass return all the
hostages and missing and
guarantee that there will be no
threat to Israel in Gaza.
Adam Curry: So they're there.
They're there already. They got
it all set. There's nothing left
of Gaza is realized. They got
the aid. They've played the
incubator card. He's done.
John C Dvorak: What once you
play the incubator card, you're
done. I mean,
Adam Curry: especially when you
play it. I mean, that's like the
aces of incubators. I mean,
that's just you're you're done
you're just it's there's not
there's no turning back at that
point. It's so bad now that our
state depart this guy, this
State Department guy, he's no
good. Which one? Which one? The
one who does the press
briefings?
John C Dvorak: Is that is that
Jake Sullivan look like? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, but he's not looks
like If you look at him, he
looks like a 1920 Silent
filmmaker.
Adam Curry: Well, it would be
better if he didn't speak
because he flubbed this one up
bad.
Unknown: Whatever infrastructure
exists at a hospital under a
hospital, no matter who put it
there, terrorists should not be
using that infrastructure to
embed themselves underneath the
civilian target, underneath a
civilian civilian hospital
underneath a hospital that is
supposed to exist for the care
of civilian civilian
Adam Curry: targets. I mean,
Unknown: and making that using
that in that facility, shields
homina, homina, homina Homina
separate issues and who might
have built whatever room it is
the former prime minister was
referring to Yeah, have the
habit
Adam Curry: blah, blah. Now we
BB do something. You're killing
us. This is no good, but
Democrats, we don't look good,
man. We do not look good. And
then meanwhile, Ukraine is
really this is over. This is
over Richard Haass went on
Morning, Joe. And he wrote this
big article about the war and
the end his Council on Foreign
Relations former shut was it was
the Secretary of Defense. He was
up there. He definitely was. On
a second. Oh, wait a minute. He
was have him here. Then always
Council on Foreign Relations,
John C Dvorak: which you?
Definitely
Adam Curry: the president of the
Council on Foreign Relations.
Yeah, he runs the place. Yeah.
Or he just stopped I think he he
was in his visor. Up policy
planning for the Department of
State adviser to Colin Powell.
When he was he
John C Dvorak: was one of these
he was advisors like he
basically what he is still ahead
as CFR is an advisor but the
only thing is really looks like
he did anything for crap was the
was the special envoy for
Northern Ireland. The rest of it
is pretty much all cons on
Foreign Relations. So he has
like he won the Presidential
Citizens Medal. I'd like to know
but okay, so he's
Adam Curry: written an article
that is basically end the war in
Ukraine. Now, you co wrote
Unknown: a new piece this
morning for Foreign Affairs
entitled a new strategy must
balance means and ends. Explain
your concern, especially as the
White House is managing wars on
two completely different fronts
will make it the White House is
managing two wars. But in both
of them, I would say we're
increasingly at odds with our
allies and partners, we just
talked previous hour about their
differences with Israel, about
how the wars being fought and
about what comes after. In
Ukraine, I think we've got a
real problem where there's
simply an enormous gap between
what the goals are of the of the
of the policy and what the
realities are. The idea that
Ukraine is going to militarily
liberate all the land that
Russia occupies approximately
20% of their territory. It's
laudable, I support it, it's
just not going to happen.
Adam Curry: Well, this is a
change. It's just not going to
happen. And then he explains why
and what should be done. And, of
course, it's time to rebuild. We
need to get the dollars flowing
to rebuild Ukraine. We got to
get this thing going people
there's money, how long
Unknown: to our allies in Europe
who've all done? I think,
together, NATO has done an
extraordinary job. How much
longer do we continue pushing? I
think, what what many people in
Pentagon would think see
unrealistic goal of Ukraine
driving every last Russian out
of out of their country.
It's exactly the right.
Question, Joe. And what concerns
me is when people get this
solution and increasingly come
to the way you were, you and I
are that Oh, desirable as it is
simply not feasible. They're
going to increasingly sandwich
house we're hearing I'm
John C Dvorak: sorry. I think
Scarborough's is
Adam Curry: obviously a far
Yeah, yeah. But it puts him and
put Scarborough squarely in the
stop the war can
Unknown: increasingly come to
the
John C Dvorak: EU. And I was
telling him
Adam Curry: yeah, this is the
message, Joe, this is where we
are right, Joe?
Unknown: as desirable as it is.
It's simply not feasible.
They're going to increasingly
say, and we're hearing it in the
house, we're hearing in parts of
Europe, why should we keep doing
this? We're already stretched
for trying to support Israel,
we're worried about Taiwan. And
even if we give everything we
need to give or want to give to
Ukraine, it still won't lead to
success. What I argued,
therefore, is the United States
needs to have some very direct
conversations with Ukraine with
President Solinsky talking about
reducing their emphasis on
liberating land increasingly put
all their emphasis on holding on
to what they've got.
Adam Curry: Be happy with what
you God's the landscape just you
can look you got 8% is Good is
good. You
John C Dvorak: know, you might
have stumbled onto something
here. This guy as the head of
CFR went on to shows possibly to
turn Joe around, boom,
specifically 45 seconds left
Unknown: here, in the long run
diplomatically through
sanctions, yes, we can try to
see the rest of their territory
return. But for right now, let's
have 80% of this country save
80% of this country, rebuilt, I
would actually rebuild the
ceasefire as an interim
arrangement to expose the
Russians for what they are so we
can rebuild support for Ukraine
in this country. But we've had
two fighting seasons, the idea
that one or two or three more
years of this is going to result
in success. I simply don't see
it. Russia is on a war footing.
They have access also to arms
from North Korea and Iran. So I
just think anytime in foreign
policy anytime in life, there's
a big gap between what you're
trying to Enlai your ability to
do it, you've either got a crush
or mines or low goals. And I
think here the only realistic
option as a tactical measure, is
to lower our goals. And
Adam Curry: right on cue, the G
20 brings back Vladimir
Unknown: was the first G 20
summit Vladimir Putin has
joined, albeit remotely since
the 2022. Ukraine conflict. In a
virtual meeting with world
leaders on Wednesday, the
Russian president softened his
usual hostile tone, referring to
the conflict as a tragedy. And
even at one point, using the
word war to describe Russia's
full scale invasion of Ukraine,
instead of his preferred term of
special military operation.
colleagues
have already said in their
speeches, that they are shocked
by the ongoing aggression of
Russia in Ukraine. And we must
think about how to stop this
tragedy. By the way, because
Russia has never refused peace
negotiations with Ukraine. It's
not Russia and Ukraine that has
publicly announced that it's
withdrawing from the negotiation
process. This is
Adam Curry: he's signaling he's
like, Okay, I hear you CFR,
we're good. But all we ever
wanted was that 20% Now, that's
our that's our turf. And cried
me, yeah, you're not getting
that back. No, that's for sure.
Yeah. So be happy with it.
Volodymyr McGregor was
John C Dvorak: on what his
normal talk show that he keeps
showing up on coughing
constantly.
Adam Curry: I should probably
Oh, that's not good. Well, he's
John C Dvorak: coffee. Yes, but
then he I'm watching him. And
He's coughing coughing, and I
any pull. Um, this is a I'm
gonna throw out a pro tip for
all you podcasters and wannabes.
Here we go. He picks up a glass
of ice water with ice cubes in
it and takes a big swig because
He's coughing so much. If you
have an issue coughing, you want
tepid water tepid and not ice
water makes you cough more tepid
Adam Curry: is the word of the
day. Can you use epic in
essentially what
John C Dvorak: tepid water
tepid? You keep drinking? I
mean, I drink cold soda on this
show and I'll start coughing
near the end. Yes, but I know
better I just haven't delight
for it. But when I saw him and
he kept picking his glass of
iced water up and causing more
noise and it was terrible.
McGregor McGregor made the
conclusion that our side what
the Washington side is very
funny clip. Our side is so
incompetent that we're the ones
that are preventing anything
from ending in Ukraine because
we've got nobody that can even
admit that we're wrong or can do
any negotiating it's a mess. And
so he predicts the worst he
doesn't see an ending like Haas
would like to see it because our
site is got a bunch of
Boneheads. Well
Adam Curry: then because it's
Thanksgiving, all of a sudden
the candy Navia shows up with
some good news. One of our
producers got this one through
to me. It looks like to
conservatives in in the Canadian
Parliament caught caught a fast
one being pulled, which may have
been one of the or it may still
be one of the intended uses for
Ukraine. Because you know,
Ukraine is going to be very
useful. It's gonna be useful for
a while it's still going to be
great for money laundering, it's
still going to be great for
crime for cybercrime. It's still
going to be fantastic for
hookers and drugs. You know it
now it'll be more controlled.
It'll be controlled by whoever
ultimately controls Volodymyr.
But a fast one was pulled
Unknown: but also in Ottawa.
There was heated debate today in
the House of Commons on the
updated candidate Ukraine Free
Trade Agreement. The
Conservatives voted on this
against the new legislation this
week and leader Pierre Paul you
have said the bill imposes a
carbon tax on the people of
Ukraine.
Adam Curry: Pathological
obsession these liberals have
with carbon taxes has now
reached a level where it is safe
to impose their destructive
carbon tax on the people. If
Ukraine to
Unknown: turn down a free trade
agreement with a beacon of
democracy like Ukraine. What is
up with that party?
That's what Canadians want to
know. And this carbon tax
excuse, no one's buying
helped me understand this free
trade legislation, free trade
deals. They're mutually
negotiated. For pure polyester
is saying that Canada is
imposing a carbon tax on Ukraine
while they have a knife to their
throat. What's the truth of
this?
Okay, just a note, of course, I
work with whatnot for the
Ukraine.
It's the point here being that
is a scene that's peculiar and
kind of disappointing
interpretation. The fact is that
yes, this was a mutually
negotiated agreement. And that
it simply says that both sides
will consult on and promote the
idea of carbon pricing,
Adam Curry: which is the most
important thing they will need
to get a price on carbon they've
been trying this for a decade.
And the and it sounds longer.
Well that we've really been
aware of it this longer carbon
pricing. So Good one, good one
tried to do some carbon pricing,
get it get a price on carbon. By
the way, just before we slip
away from the pressure on
genocide, Joe
John C Dvorak: Welby, I think I
have a Ukraine clip. Okay. Yeah,
yeah. Sure. You got what you're
buying them? Like I was saying
them like,
Adam Curry: okay, bang away.
John C Dvorak: Do I have a
Ukraine?
Adam Curry: Ukraine clip?
John C Dvorak: No, I'm mad at
Ukraine clips. Well, I have one
for Sunday. Well,
Adam Curry: because you sent me
an article, put it in the show
notes and I found another one.
Because APEC AIPAC is also
leaning heavily on the Democrat
party in America.
John C Dvorak: Yay, Pac. You
mean, the Arab Israeli American
Israeli AIPAC as opposed to
AIPAC, the meet up that you just
had in San
Adam Curry: Francisco? That's
APEC. No, this is a PAC, the
American Israel Public Affairs
Committee. Right. So they, they
pretty much got a Republican in
Michigan, but kicking the
Democrat out, and why because
the Democrat was like, Oh, I
like AOC. The squad's cool,
they're great. Boom. So the
Democrats out the Republicans in
and now and this is Oh, this
this just came through on Yahoo.
This is horrible. AIPAC seeks to
unseat Congressional Black
Caucus members over Israel.
John C Dvorak: They get money.
Yes. So in the wherewithal, they
have people that know how to do
marketing.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's I
mean, these all these
politicians own fault, then
they're not they don't work for
the people. They don't talk to
the people. They talk to money.
Yeah, and the parties. Oh, I
need a million dollars to be on
a committee. It's also
John C Dvorak: corrupt. Yeah,
we've we haven't talked about
that for years. Well, it's true.
If you know it is true. You have
to pay to be the if you're the
chairman of a major committee,
you have to pay your party.
Millions of dollars.
Adam Curry: So you have to be
raising millions of dollars all
the time. Otherwise the you have
no power, no influence. It's
also cynical. So we need to we
need one of those melee guys are
a feared builders. Wait, we have
one Trump, the Dutch Trump. We
got the American Trump.
John C Dvorak: Who do we have
the American Trump yet well,
they
Adam Curry: are freaked out
about the American Trump. The
end the best Trump hate is
coming from MSNBC. Without a
doubt it's fantastic. Well,
let's just stay with the with
the with the Jew hate. Jen Psaki
trying out a new hairdo, which
is not working. She's trying to
flip flip, flip up flip downs
like flippy curls look just like
an idiot. Yes, she does. You're
right. Nailed it. And she had on
the governor of Illinois, who
streets are filled with
genocide, Joe protesters. But
she's great Pritzker, the Jewish
himself to come on and talk
about you know, because you
know, Trump is clearly Adolf
Hitler. We just got to go back
to that mean, bring it back.
Unknown: The migrant crisis,
though, is front and center for
a lot of people in this country
on the border, but also states
like Illinois. Are you worried
that his talk tough approach is
going to be appealing to some
people in the country? Jen, you
know, I lead the building of a
Holocaust Museum.
Adam Curry: We built a Holocaust
Museum ladies, what to do with
Trump. That just shows he's a
good Jew have
Unknown: a Holocaust Museum. The
rhetoric that's being used by
Donald Trump, the rhetoric
that's being used by some of the
Magga extremists is rhetoric
that was used in the 1930s in
when
Adam Curry: you call when you
call people from a political
party extreme remember is that
not by itself rhetoric that has
been used throughout dictatorial
and
John C Dvorak: the 30s from
Hitler 30s from Islam is more
like Hitler than Trump.
Unknown: Maga extremists is
rhetoric that was used in the
1930s. In Germany. I am very
concerned about the direction of
the country. If we see policies
like what Donald Trump is
espousing come to light for our
country.
I think you're referencing in
part. He used the word, vermin.
Adam Curry: He used the word
vermin. And by the way, Trump
does this purposefully. And as
we call nom, yum, yum, yum.
There's their sucky taking the
bait,
Unknown: just recently to
describe who he was targeting as
one of the leading Jewish
governors in the country. I
mean, what did you eat it when
you heard
John C Dvorak: that? What Wait,
did she say one of the douche
governors?
Adam Curry: Yes. She said one of
the Yeah, she said one of the
leading douche Governors of the
country?
Unknown: Well, it's just one in
a long series of remarks, words
that Donald Trump has used that
are unfortunately reminiscent
of, you know, the past? Yes. Let
me just be clear,
Adam Curry: very, very
reminiscent of the past, in
Germany
Unknown: in the 1930s people
that they didn't want to have
power people that they wanted to
separate and segregate. They
began calling them immigrants,
even people who were has been
injured that began calling them
immigrants.
Adam Curry: Yeah, what does
John C Dvorak: she read? Is he
redesigning the whole world war
two scenario here? Yes. And the
immigrants bull crap. This is
not true.
Adam Curry: Remember, he led the
building of the Holocaust
Museum. So
Unknown: then he must be right.
Yeah, they began calling them
immigrants. Even people who were
had been in Germany for
generations, Jews who were
doctors, lawyers in government,
at the time, became known as
immigrants, even though they
were German. And this is a way
to begin to segregate people.
And then eventually, at least
what happened in Germany is that
they turned it into a way to
almost dehumanize almost, and
then they did in fact dehumanize
by calling them vermin and kill
people. I don't know where it's
going. With Donald Trump. What I
can tell you is the things that
he talks about are frightening
to those of us who know the
history of Europe in the 1930s
and 40s. And now,
Adam Curry: could this be
anything like calling people
calling for people to die if
they if they want to go to the
hospital to have a heart attack?
Because the unvaccinated people
who don't wear masks telling
them to just die? Is that kind
of is that similar to what he's
saying here? Just other reaction
that way, because I think he
pretty much did that.
John C Dvorak: He did. Yeah,
totally. Cuz he basically said,
if you don't get vaccinated, you
die. Yes. This guy by the way,
this Pritzker guy is really the
scum of the earth.
Adam Curry: Oh, this whole
family is horrible. And you said
scum of the earth, your family,
you know, what you just said is
reminiscent of the 1930s. You
called? Yeah. Well, the earth,
John C Dvorak: I think is
reminiscent of an old novel. I
read his brother,
Adam Curry: his brother, I'm
sorry. Now Sr. is at the base of
this whole trans Maoist
movement.
John C Dvorak: Because they're
the people that are funding much
of it. Yes. Yes. And his
Adam Curry: that's anti semitic.
By the way, you just called a
Jew, someone who's funding
something bad, John, bad, bad
bad.
Unknown: predilection for
revenge. And what that will mean
for you know,
Adam Curry: groups of
predilection for revenge, this
is the problem
Unknown: that didn't support
him. That sounds to me like he
gets elected. What
Adam Curry: is going on here?
And here's the next clip from
morning, Joe. Again, the the
established the state's let's
just call the state and it will,
it's not necessarily Democrats,
it's the it's people in
agencies, the people who have
corrupted this country, our
country have corrupted it. They
are afraid because they know not
now there's too much is out
there. We've seen the Twitter
files, you know, we understand
fake news, no agenda, but
everyone listens to no agenda.
And wow, that boy, that's all
crap. You know, we're kind of
part of the problem. But now
they're all worried that Donald
Trump will come in and is going
to hang them. Do
Unknown: you want to be fair,
then you will frame this as Joe
Biden being the candidate that
supports American democracy, and
Donald Trump, a candidate who
supports a new form of
government hear this
authoritarian, a new it's a new
form
Adam Curry: of government, a new
form of government,
authoritarian, it's a new form
it's never been done before
managed
John C Dvorak: to do that with
with the powers that With the
way that things are balanced of
powers Well, we saw we have set
up in this country with the
justice and the legislator and
the executive branches, the
three branches. How does that
work? How can that even be done?
We saw him I mean, I don't
understand this. All I see we go
on the mat, the counter Mastodon
me not our Mastodon, but you
listen to the other guys. The
other side, they're all the
lefties who have quit Twitter in
a huff. And all they do is say
the same thing that the is the
end of democracy is the end of
this is the end of that if Trump
gets in, but the system won't
allow Trump to do much, as you
saw the last time he was in how
did that work
Adam Curry: when he had four
changed? No, the only thing he
did was defend himself against
Russian allegations most the
time he wasn't able to do much.
Well, I guess that was good work
everybody. Government
Unknown: here, this
authoritarian. It's really that
simple. And by the way, it's
really that simple. It's that
simple. Oh, you can't compare
leaders. Listen
Adam Curry: to mica she's she's
like doing callbacks on the
side. She's like, like she's
really respond. common response.
Yes.
John C Dvorak: Black church.
Yes. It's
Unknown: really that simple. And
by the way, wherever now, when
people go, Oh, you can't compare
Adam Curry: leaders like diamond
and silk get comparing
Unknown: this past Nazi leader
or that past fascist leader,
because he hasn't done that.
Well. What hasn't He done? He
hasn't done the things that the
American judicial system did not
allow him to Yes, last time, may
very well allow him to do this
time or what?
Adam Curry: So it didn't happen
last time. But it's gonna happen
this time. A judicial
Unknown: system that will be
ignored by Donald Trump. Oh, ran
over by Donald Trump. Do
Adam Curry: you mean like all
the executive orders Joe Biden
did the minute he came into
office like that
Unknown: to create the greatest
constitutional crisis of our
lifetimes? Because he hasn't
done it yet. Doesn't mean he
won't do it. When he gets a
chance to do it. And logic
because
Adam Curry: it gets better. It
gets better, doesn't
Unknown: mean he won't do it,
when he gets a chance to do it.
And if he has voted into office,
then a lot of these people that
are talking about literal or
figurative or whatever the hell
they're saying, You gotta look
like idiots. Because he will do
he will get away with he will
imprison he will execute through
whatever he's
Adam Curry: allowed. He's gonna
execute people he's gonna kill
they're gonna hang them who in
prison
Unknown: gilia teens execute.
Drive from the country. Just
look at his past.
Adam Curry: Yeah, where he
executed everybody.
John C Dvorak: He had a gun,
pulled it out and shot him in
the Oval Office. He
Adam Curry: didn't even lock up
Hillary Clinton. Come on. He
John C Dvorak: didn't even right
he's Hillary go without any
issue at all. But
Adam Curry: then then come this
my final trump hate clip. But
then comes the now this is kind
of dangerous when you start
saying this stuff. But just
imagine if if a maga Republican
had said this. This is
representative Daniel Goldman,
who I believe is from
California. He's Goldman from
California. I don't know we have
John C Dvorak: hundreds.
Alright, so
Unknown: there's been so much
speculation contemplation,
discussion of what Trump wanted
to do discussion, contemplation,
what he knew or didn't know. I
mean, do you think as a
prosecutor repressor this is
something that could be useful
in the case against Trump? How
will be used? Yeah,
well, I mean, look, he says it
would be well received, because
he knows that the people who
were there are his supporters
who he riled up and incited to
invade and riot at the Capitol
and tried to disrupt the proper
counting of the Electoral
College votes. So every time he
talks, he's putting himself into
a bigger criminal hole. But but
that's not his objective. His
objective is purely political at
this point. Politics don't work
in a courtroom, as I think he's
finding out in the New York
Attorney General's case in New
York, a civil case and that's
going to continue in his
criminal trials. But his
rhetoric is really getting
dangerous, more and more
dangerous who saw what happened
on January 6, when he uses
inflammatory red
Adam Curry: when he told
everybody to stop it when he
said peaceful Don't Don't do
anything crazy. That rhetoric is
we saw what happened when he was
please please don't do it happen
on
Unknown: January 6, when he uses
inflammatory rhetoric now and
his recent true social post is
incredibly incredibly scary for
anyone that might be trying to
work in government. Because
Adam Curry: I don't know he's
because it's not really
Unknown: incredibly because he's
projecting is really what's
going on incredibly scary for or
anyone that might be trying to
work in government.
Adam Curry: He that's
interesting trying to he was
gonna say operate. But then he
said working government I don't
know maybe the lifestyle was
weird you're right
Unknown: is incredibly,
incredibly scary for anyone that
might be trying to work in
government and it is just
unquestionable at this point
that that man cannot see public
office again he is not only
unfit, he is destructive to our
democracy. And he has to be, he
has to be eliminated.
eliminated, eliminated, there
John C Dvorak: is a threat that
the secret server should look
into. It's
Adam Curry: Trump. You can say
whatever you want. I do you see
my bid on Psaki. I said Trump
should be eliminated. Hey, touch
me.
John C Dvorak: So crazy. I only
have to Trump clips which are
base clips about the winner
freaking out over his numbers
going up.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. His
numbers are going up this NTD
Unknown: Yeah, get another win
for former President Trump and a
major poll of Trump's
presidential campaign has been a
success so far. Congress,
meanwhile is a bit less
successful. Dozens of lawmakers
are resigning some out of
frustration. Entities area and
pasture brings you an election
update.
Former President Trump is
widening his lead over President
Biden in a hypothetical 2024
matchup. That's according to the
prominent Emerson College Poll.
In November last year, the poll
found that Biden was leading
over Trump with 45 to 41%. A
month ago Trump was leading with
47 to 45%. Now Trump's lead
increased by two points to 47 to
43%, Biden took a big hit in
support among minorities, losing
a total of 26 percentage points
over the last year. Meanwhile,
at Congress, California
representative and assured this
week announced that she's
stepping down after three
decades. So far over 30
lawmakers this year announced
that they're not seeking
reelection. This comes after too
exhausting House Speaker races
to near government shutdowns and
multiple attempts to impeach
censor or expel officials and
all that while Congress is still
in its first session. Various
lawmakers are disappointed with
the way things are going on the
hill. Representative Earl
Blumenauer, who has been in
Congress for over 25 years told
Punchbowl news it's insane and
it adds no value to my life. The
things I care about, I can do
better not here.
Adam Curry: Mr. NTD are the
Chinese just making the AI
people now? This guy very
robotic read?
John C Dvorak: You see these
guys and they're they don't look
like they sound? That's what's
weird about it. Well,
Adam Curry: it's it's definitely
I mean,
John C Dvorak: it's exciting.
This is diversity in action.
This is true diversity is kind
of off putting Why should
everyone sound like the same
Adam Curry: guy. Okay, but it's,
it sounds like a robot.
John C Dvorak: There's a part
two to this.
Unknown: Now over to local
elections. In South Carolina,
the City of Charleston voted for
a Republican mayor for the first
time since 1877. That's almost
150 years. Former South Carolina
GOP Representative William
Coxwell. won the race on
Tuesday. And in New York, former
Governor Andrew Cuomo is
reportedly considering running
for mayor of New York City.
According to political websites
that Cuomo might run if current
Mayor Eric Adams resigns or
decides not to run for re
election
Adam Curry: who there was
John C Dvorak: the R word in
there. And there goes our guy.
Oh, we can't have that. We need
that guys is because now that's
Adam Curry: interesting, because
you have they have they first of
all, I think Eric Adams got
kicked out of the club because
he said, Hey, this is not
working in New York City. You
know, this is going to cost us
too much money, Cardi B how he
hates him. Now.
John C Dvorak: You got Cardi B
Adam Curry: cardi V hating you,
then that's pretty bad. And then
that
John C Dvorak: fact is a clip
we'd play but it's so insane is
his whole F words. Get it?
Adam Curry: And, you know, and
he was like, Well, you know,
this is no good. These migrants
and they, they kicked him out of
the club. They sent him on a
reeducation tour. And then they
and now they're investigating
his largest fundraiser, this
guy's gonna get knocked out. And
he's gonna get thrown into one
of those local prison camps.
Yeah, I mean, New York get out
of New York.
John C Dvorak: Did you see some
good clips floating around about
New York and the prison camps.
Now, back to the election and
Trump and versus Biden. I do
have a couple of clips from the
birthday. But Biden just had a
birthday. Hey, isn't at 92 Come
on. Now. Let's not be ageist
8181 anyone so he was on and Fox
and Friends on that that's not
foxes Fox weekend they just
botched everything I mean I have
to say and I'm listening to Fox
why more than you are they are
just they are just making
mistakes left and right and I
want you to I'm gonna play these
tips and I'm going to be very
critical here Fox are people who
think that we'd like Fox
Adam Curry: ever liked Fox no
and you in particular because
run by Democrats we all know it
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's run by
Democrats. So I want to play
this is the Biden beat a rap
gaffe and I want you to you
should be able to spot the gaps
by the way.
Adam Curry: When I say rump, I'd
have no hate against Democrats.
I really don't. But the
Democrats system just like the
Republican system, the jack
offs, all of them. Okay, back to
you, Bob.
John C Dvorak: So let's go with
Biden birthday gift. What do you
apologizing for?
Adam Curry: I just want people
to understand that I
John C Dvorak: love you don't
hate Democrats.
Adam Curry: I don't hate people
who are who vote Democrat.
People. Okay. You're
John C Dvorak: a lover. Not a
hater. Hey, too many eggs.com
Too many. Christmas that's my
out by Biden birthday right now
you I think the gaps right away
and then we'll we can see you'll
spot it. But you might not
President
Unknown: Biden landed on the
South Lawn here at the White
House just a short time ago. And
it's safe to say there's going
to be no surprise at first
birthday party for him tonight,
here at the White House. And
when the clock strikes 12 and
probably not tomorrow, either,
with all expected to be a low
key affair with all focus on the
turkey part and maybe a shot a
wild turkey for the staff. But
here's what David Axelrod told
The New York Times about
President Biden quote, I think
he has a 5050 shot here but no
better than that maybe a little
worse. He thinks he can cheat
nature here and it's really
risky. They've got a real
problem if they're counting on
Trump to win it for them. I
remember Hillary doing that too.
Now on Fox News Sunday, Senator
Chris Coons responded to
Axelrod.
That's an interesting point from
David in 2007. A year out from
the 2008 election. I'll remind
you that poll after poll was
showing that Barack Obama was
going to lose to Rudy Giuliani,
and in 2011 that Barack Obama
was going to lose to Mitt
Romney, head to head polls a
year out frankly, don't say much
at all. Now,
a recent article in Politico by
Jonathan Martin titled here's
how Biden can turn it around top
Democrats agree that the
President needs more
aggressiveness, more help from
his friends, and a few more
friends Liz Cheney, Rahm Emanuel
Mitt Romney can help says the
President's had issues with
Axelrod in the past. The peace
warns quote, calling David
Axelrod a P word that I've been
told I'm not supposed to say on
news here it rhymes with stick.
Lisa, as a person who has heard
Biden use the words as he does
in private is not a strategy to
win children 70 electoral votes.
Now there's a new NBC poll out
today shows that 80 years old
soon to be 81 by the way tonight
at the stroke of midnight, by
not having the necessary mental
and physical health to be
president for a second term. 59%
say that's a major concern.
Adam Curry: Well, first of all,
did Biden run against Giuliani?
No, of
John C Dvorak: course not. He
ran against McCain was
Adam Curry: gonna say was how
that that was the gaffe. Right.
Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And the gaffe was
was, here's the thing about the
gaffe. It was Giuliani was never
really in the picture that
you're no you can't say,
Adam Curry: oh, Ron Paul was in
the picture more than
John C Dvorak: Giuliani. But
here's the thing about the gaff.
Chris Coombs, is Biden's
campaign manager. I didn't know
that. He so that's one aspect of
this. The second thing is you
got four people on this show,
sitting at the Dyess. None of
them caught that. And then you
have another five people
minimum, the more in the control
room with people in their ears.
None of them caught it. There's
a floor manager. He didn't catch
it. What is wrong with this
place? Well,
Adam Curry: wait, you're telling
me that cable news is full of
crap. Imagine Here
John C Dvorak: we go. A second
gaff coming up. That is just
right part of this first gaff,
and it's just like, every blows
by everybody. Here we go with
part two
Unknown: 15% say it's a moderate
concern, whatever that means.
12% minor concern and 14% say
it's no real concern. And by the
way, that poll also showed Biden
with the lowest approval rating
of his presidency, you guys.
Well, you know, they've had 80
years to prepare for it.
I hope it's a great party
tonight. Tomorrow. Thank you,
Lucas. Oh, 81. Yeah,
yeah, well, but the he just
starts his 81st year so they've
had only 80 years to prepare for
it.
Adam Curry: I mean, I didn't
know what that was about.
John C Dvorak: It was idiotic.
It's he's on his 82nd year. He
says he's David 80 years to
prepare for it. And the girl
says no 81 Because he's 81. So
he's had 81 years and he's been
in business for 81 years. It's
like when you're a one year old
you're you're not starting your
first birthday. You're you're
you're already one you're going
to to know
Adam Curry: what's happening as
you're watching these shows, and
you're getting riled up just
like they are you like, it's
like, you're like listening to
idiocy.
John C Dvorak: Yes. The fact
that he said he calls her and
says, no, no. He says, No, he's
gonna He's gonna he's working on
his ad first year, she says to
her in cheek, and she has, I
don't want to say it. But as a
submissive woman, Oh, apparently
Oh, here we go. She backs off to
the male's intent was foolish
shit, by the way, this guy. And
she shouldn't say anything. And
the other female that's on the
panel doesn't say anything. And
the other male, who I think
might even be Gutfeld. But it's
not something that's either got
fields on the on the five. And
so but it's somebody else, and
it's nobody calls the guy on
this bullshit. In fact, I have
the follow up what happens right
afterwards, which is just
wanders off of you. This is
stunning to me that this is so
stupid on Fox, you
Adam Curry: can't watch this.
This is not healthy for you. You
John C Dvorak: play this
Unknown: report, only 80 years
to prepare for it. Dr. Sapphire,
you know, explain this to us.
I mean, you know, at this kind
of age, he's gonna be at six. If
you were to win another term and
finish. What are the problems? I
mean, what, what, what could go
wrong here? anything
can go wrong with any single
person any day of the week. Hey,
Adam Curry: he's, he's handing
you the alley up lady. What
you're supposed to say is he
could die. That's that wasn't
that the alley up right there.
What could go wrong? He's 81.
What could pop by the way.
That's also ages. I don't like
any of it.
John C Dvorak: That's not nice.
That's his fox. This. This
really deteriorated?
Adam Curry: Yes. Ever since
Tucker left. There was never so
Greg and Kelly left.
John C Dvorak: Actually, I think
you could probably trace it back
to Megan Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. All
right. But she left it was her
fault for the whole thing
because she was all in on the on
the me to thing that was going
on at the station to get rid of
the guy who started the whole
thing.
Adam Curry: Let's talk about
something we know about.
John C Dvorak: We know about
this we know about? Well,
Adam Curry: first I need to
congratulate and commend you for
being right for four days. Yeah,
it was right for for me, okay.
You called it you called it you
called it. Everybody was like,
wow. And usually they attribute
that to me. But they got it
right. Like John, really? You
called it Sam Altman going to
Microsoft. I mean, you nailed
it. The clip was very clear.
Like you said, oh, yeah,
Microsoft sucks these guys right
up. And I was like, wow, there
you go. That's perfect. And then
things started to change. And
this is, I have a lot of
thoughts on this, as you can
imagine, because we've uncovered
so much about what was really
going on at open AI. And I think
we are in fact, at peak AI hype,
and I have a feeling all of this
is about to fall apart quicker
than we expected. But first, let
us listen to the experts of
finance over at CNBC led by
Andrew Ross Sorkin, who of
course is one of the CO creators
of the hit show billions on
Showtime. Explain what's going
on. Let's talk
Unknown: about the big news that
broke overnight because a lot of
Adam Curry: folks by the way,
this is big news. You know, the
world stopped. Kara Swisher your
protege was running around on
Twitter. God, I called it I
called it I'm great. I'm the
best reporter ever. Look at my
reporting. I am so proud of my
reporting. She's really
unconscionable very harshly
John C Dvorak: spiking the ball.
Adam Curry: What happened to
John C Dvorak: mosh pit
Adam Curry: Do you think that
that as a child she no one ever
told her she was worth worthy or
something? Because you're right.
All she's doing is spiking the
ball and then I call that he's
going to Microsoft. I call that
he's not going to make it up.
This is my great reporting. I've
got Satya Nadella. Now I like
exclusive interview. Satya
Nadella is on every single
channel doing interviews.
Anyway, back to the the boy
genius have
John C Dvorak: you know, I think
you should get a room.
Adam Curry: I would give her a
piece of my mind that's for sure
about
Unknown: the big news that broke
overnight because a lot of folks
focused on it already this
morning open AI posting on X
that Sam Altman will now
officially return as CEO, former
Salesforce CEO Brett Taylor, and
former Treasury Secretary Larry
Summers will join AI's opens
board. Taylor was named board
chair and then chorus CEO Adam
D'Angelo will remain on the
board all and posted on AIX. I
love open AI and everything I've
done over the past few days has
been in service of keeping this
team and its mission together.
When I decided to join
Microsoft. On Sunday evening, it
was clear that was the best path
for me and the team with the new
board. And with such as support,
I'm looking forward to returning
to open AI and building on our
strong partnership with
Microsoft now in response
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella
posting in part quote we
encouraged by the changes to the
open AI board we believe this is
a first essential step on a path
to a more stable, well informed
and effective governance. And
ousted Chairman Greg Brockman
posting returning to open AI and
getting back to coding tonight.
So he hit the keyboard. Alright,
Adam Curry: so Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Hit the keyboard. So
the couple of things happening
here. One, no one is talking
about the board that just got
wiped off the face of the map,
including Helen toner, all of
these Effective Altruism, all
members, possibly members of the
crazy sex cults in San Francisco
with the poly cules. Who knows
what's going on there. That
board just got wiped out. Except
for the Adam D'Angelo, I think,
who is I think he's, he is he's,
he's friends with such an Adela.
That may be his guy for now. So
now they have a three person
board mole.
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. Yeah,
mole. them all.
Adam Curry: Then you have Larry
Summers. I mean, so what is
John C Dvorak: what the hell's
that guy doing in there? I mean,
he got a big check to
Adam Curry: be applied check
everybody.
John C Dvorak: I mean, Larry
Summers is the only Council on
Foreign Relations guy in there.
So he might be just a guy is
like a spook.
Adam Curry: Well, so now keeping
an eye on things? Well, yes.
And, and I think what I'm
starting to feel here is that
open AI, and Sam Altman is just
marketing. The marketing was,
let's get everybody all crazy
about AI. Throw out your chat.
GPT. Three, which really is not
impressive. Yes, it can. It can
answer you like you're human.
But you know, it's it's unusable
for liability in all aspects.
Don't worry, chat. GPT four
would be better. Don't worry.
We've got generative AI. Oh,
we've got sentient AI, it's all
coming. And this, he's like, the
Elizabeth Holmes of this stuff.
And he's, and he's just has that
complicated talk, you know,
like, well, you know, I think
that AI will if not, if we don't
do it, right, right. Right. It
will, it could, you know, could
be dangerous to the world, which
is why we at open AI are working
right to, to do this kind of
thing. But i i I see the just,
he's not a coder. He's just a
talker. He's like Elon Musk.
Like he's like
John C Dvorak: one of the main
coders is this alien guy who is
the one who was responsible for
getting him ousted if you look
into it, yes, I think he's gone
and he's like the Russian kid
who's also got a very weird
background he's been all over
the place and he's he seems more
like the guy who actually knows
what that how this thing works,
Adam Curry: but it's but besides
the copyright violations of
written word and images, it's
just not impressive. You know,
you've got you've got
competitors to chat GPT also
using already opening up App
Store so you can load all your
it's like okay, so we could load
all the no agenda information in
there. And we could go in and we
could say what did Adam and John
say about this? And it would pop
something out it may be right we
have your own it being a.io does
kind of the same thing already
you can decide for yourself. But
then as I'm listening to the
brilliant journalist always spot
on who's who does journalism.
Kara Swisher with her great gets
such an Adela two days after
he's been on every he's been on
Bloomberg has been on CNBC. And
she's trying to go to men. And
this Satya Nadella. What a
character this guy is. Great.
Microsoft, this is how he talks.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And he's
got to stock jacked up. Yes.
Adam Curry: And I understand the
good and I understand why
because what what is the big
story of AI? It's not AI. It's
that companies like Microsoft
can sucker people into compute
resources using their as your
cloud. That's what this is
about. It's not about ai ai.
It's about selling cloud cycles
and services. And the whole open
AI valuation is some hyped up
Bull crap and
Unknown: our partners and
customers, whether they're using
open AI or Microsoft, but the
point is we have a great
contract and not only ability,
we have all the IP rights and
all the capability. I mean,
look, look right, if tomorrow
opening, I disappeared, I don't
want any customer of ours to be
worried about it, quite
honestly. But wait
Adam Curry: a minute. So if open
AI disappears, it's no problem.
We got all the IP, we got all
the people, we've got all the
compute side, because we don't
need them. Except to act as a
buffer in case there's a
lawsuit, or to blame something
on
Unknown: it don't want any
customer of ours to be worried
about it, quite honestly,
because we have all of the
rights to continue the
innovation not just to serve the
products. But we can, you know,
go and just do what we were
doing in partnership ourselves.
And so we don't need those guys,
the people we have the compute,
we have the data, we have
everything, everything.
Adam Curry: We don't need those
guys. In fact, Sam Altman go
back to home base.
Unknown: And so but at the same
time, I'm committed to open AI
partnership, and that's kind of
what I expressed to them.
And where does that stand?
Because you have you invested?
Is it 13 billion or 12 billion
in the company? Very
Adam Curry: interesting
question. Did they really invest
$12 billion? Well, no.
Unknown: It's a complicated
thing. We have a significant
investment, we it sort of comes
in the form of not just dollars,
but it comes in the form of
compute and what have you and
gives us significant rights.
Adam Curry: They gave them $10
billion worth of compute, which
yes, which act, which is what is
that the retail price? Is? No,
yeah, that's probably retail
times 10. It could be you
John C Dvorak: know, here's the
thing you kind of stumbled on
everyone I mentioned before you
finish this clip. He had almond
over there. And then he had to
an analyze or the company
itself, or his or his lawyers
had to say, look, and I don't
know if anyone's familiar with
something called a shim. A shim
is software code to keep you for
example, if you're using one of
these canoe, Linux or something
like that, in any kind of one of
these canoe products, you if you
use it, you have to give up your
rights to it and you have to
give all these rights. So they
people design software code,
that's called a shim, which is
something to place you between
Yes. Liability, have me be
liable and demand the company
that the new guys, so this is
kind of what he's must have been
thinking when he said yet, when
he hired Altman over and he
said, No, you go back and do it
over there. Because that
prevents us if there's some May,
were there deep pockets here.
Yes. If there's a major lawsuit,
you guys, you know, for you
copyright violation, whatever,
eat it, you guys can eat it and
just go out of business. We'll
hire you that back then and do
some little thing on the side
here. But we can't be even close
to this kind of liability. So
they create a shim, something
that buffer them from the woods
bound to happen, which is you
always complain about this. It's
bound app and a big giant
lawsuit. They can take him take
him out.
Adam Curry: Well just announced
yesterday, nonfiction authors
who open eyes open AI for
copyright infringement. That's
just the beginning. That's just
the beginning. Because they've
all said, Oh, we we've we've
sucked in all of your
information. But that's fair
use, you say? And it's
John C Dvorak: fair use. Okay.
So the law interesting, this was
actually going to happen in is
this is going to this is going
to be a Supreme Court case,
eventually, because no Fair Use
law which we use, we use, we
have these clips, these are all
fair uses. They're very small
snippets of what's goes on for
an hour. That's
Adam Curry: not what determines
fair use. Fair use is if it's an
educational setting, if you're
using also a different use.
Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a
fair use if we play a clip being
in which is we are in an
educational news gathering
setting does
John C Dvorak: that yes, there's
a lot of there's a deep
definition. Yes. But sucking
everything up and then
regurgitating it is
Unknown: not for use.
Adam Curry: is not fair use. I
John C Dvorak: can see where
you'd think it was. Because
look, I guess. Okay, let's let
me make the argument. So I, I'm
the AI. And so I've sucked up
every novel by Ernest Hemingway.
And I've decided to write an
essay that in the form in the
style of Ernest Hemingway, and
so the AI as AI crank out it
like, I don't know let's say
2500 word piece, but I have
sucked up Why don't know 5
million words. So I'm only
taking 2500 words out of 5
million and it's and let's say
the pieces education or it's
it's different enough or it's
humorous, because dot affair
yesterday pair He is allowed
here and he's free game. So So
what did I do wrong?
Adam Curry: Well, the I would
say go talk to vanilla ice. Go
Go talk to what's the guy who
did Robin Thicke. I mean, in
music this is well established
you use one little sample one
little lick one little riff, and
you got a lawsuit on your hands.
Now, the thing is open AI, it's
questionable whether they have
any actual revenue. They say we
got 100 million people paying us
$20 A month questionable. We
don't really know that. But
that's even that is chump change
to Satya Nadella what he wants,
and I know because my buddy Vic,
he has an integration company.
He sells this stuff, Microsoft
mainly to call centers. But the
AI that is going to come with
Microsoft will be transcripts of
meetings, especially your you
know your team, Microsoft team
meetings, you get a transcript,
it will have action items, and
then the action items will
automatically be put on your
calendar. That's the kind of
stuff we're talking about. Oh, I
see your Clippy on steroids.
John C Dvorak: I see flippy.
That's exactly right. Yeah,
you're just Clippy on steroids.
You're trying yet to see a
beefed up Clippy someone's to do
some art for that. So, but
today's art has to be
Thanksgiving art. So yeah. So
Adam Curry: someone you know,
it'd be like, Oh, I see you're
trying to write a letter
scolding your underlings here in
the organization, let me help
you write that, yeah, it'll be
fine. And what they're selling
what Microsoft will be selling,
and I know this firsthand, is
compute cycles to suck in all of
your company's data. So let's
say you have a, it could be a
law office, but could be any
could just be you sell fireworks
for living doesn't matter, you
know, suck up all that data,
what is the most resource
intensive is creating the large
language model the LLM. So you
create your own LLM, which has
to be fine tuned, you get all
kinds of expensive guys like
comic strip blogger, to do what
because that's what he does to
fine tune at all that costs
millions of dollars,
particularly in very expensive
compute resources, which is all
Azure Cloud. And then you can
get, you can probably retrieve
some pretty reliable information
about your organization, you
could also just hire a couple
people who know what the heck
they're doing. So this is all
some kind of pipe dream. But
Microsoft, your customers, it
customers aren't waiting for
some robot to come in and do
their business. Now their
customers are wanting a better
script for the call center. This
is not impressive. It's just not
what people think it is. And I
think we are at peak AI, let's
continue.
Unknown: It's a complicated
thing. We have a significant
investment we it's sort of comes
in the form of not just dollars,
but it comes in the form of
compute and what happened. And
that gives us significant
rights. As I said, and also this
thing, it's not fenced off
right? We are in there we are
below them about them, Allah
around them. positions, we build
tools, we build the
infrastructure. We don't need
them. So the industry analysts
are saying, Oh, wow, there is
this it's really a joint project
between Microsoft and open AI.
And, and, and the reality is we
are as I said very self
sufficient and all of this
Adam Curry: so this is
completely the new blockchain
This is such an Adela telling us
look we own we own those guys
lock, stock and barrel but
they're your right our shim. So
in case anything comes along
that we don't like he our Altman
rd did his work. His work was to
get protections for the largest
companies with the largest
compute cycles ie Amazon's, AWS,
Microsoft, Azure and Google.
Because all anything that's
created has to be done by those
guys to make sure that your AI
for your fireworks company
doesn't eat the world because
Oh, it's a robot. It's so smart
bull crap. And to to accentuate
this for 14 hours, they had an
interim CEO, Emmett shear,
Edmund shear is he was the CEO
of Twitch. And so this gives you
an idea of the insanity of these
spun up just crazy people inside
the not just open AI, but the
entire AI universe, how nuts
they are. He's sitting down for
a podcast with red points. This
is a new thing now with you and
I know a bit about venture
capital guys. You know, we've
been around we've raised money.
And so now all the venture
capital guys will have a junior
partner and the junior partner
does the podcast. He says the
podcast Ask for the vet for the
VC. So this is some, you know,
minor limited partner douche
who's interviewing Emmett shear
about AI and he's like, Y'all
will always agreeing with
everything of course because
they put money they got money
into AI Oh, yes, please give us
money when invested for you in
AI projects. This thing is
coming apart at the seams.
Listen to this. This is probably
my favorite techno douche of all
time image
Unknown: here. And really I'm
I'm very pro technology. And I
really believe the upsides
usually outweigh the downsides.
Everything's technology can be
misused. Regulating early is
usually a mistake, I have a very
specific concern about AI, we
built an intelligence, it's kind
of amazing, actually, we may not
be the smartest intelligence,
but it is unintelligence it can
solve problems and make
arbitrary plans. At some point,
as it gets better, the kinds of
problems that we'll be able to
solve will include programming,
chip design, material science,
power production, all the things
you would need to design an
artificial intelligence. At that
point, you'll be able to point
the thing we've built back
itself and this will happen
before you hit that point with
humans in the loop already is
happening with humans in the
loop but that loop will get
tighter and tighter and tighter
and faster and faster and faster
until it can fully self improve
itself at which point it will
get very fast very quickly now
Adam Curry: just so we
understand what he's saying he's
saying we're going to build
something that is has some
intelligence it solves problems
we're going to point it at
itself and then it will start
developing itself into sentient
being and
Unknown: that kind of
intelligence is just an
intrinsically very dangerous
thing dangerous because
intelligence is power power
human beings are the dominant
for our life on this planet
pretty much entirely because
we're smarter than the other
creatures now I just laid out a
chain of argument with a lot of
if this then this if this then
this
Adam Curry: jump could you lay
out a chain of argument with a
lot of if this then this then
this if this then this
Unknown: please when beings are
the dominant for our life on
this planet pretty much entirely
because we're smarter than the
other creatures now I just laid
out a chain of argument with a
lot of if this then this if this
and this if it's in this I know
allies are things that like
we're all doomed for sure. I buy
his doom argument I buy the
chain and the logic like my P
Doom my probability of doom
Adam Curry: okay,
John C Dvorak: I buy the do i i
love Do
Adam Curry: I love the chain of
logic and the P Doom he is okay.
So that chain of login logic and
my P Doom is a little different
than his picture.
Unknown: By by his doom argument
I buy the channel the logic like
my P Doom my probability of doom
is like my bid ask spread and
that's pretty high because I
have a lot of uncertainty
Adam Curry: but oh John, what's
your bid ask spread? What's your
bid ask spread?
John C Dvorak: Like God is this
guy just nothing but cliches?
Adam Curry: I've never even
heard this one. So he's
John C Dvorak: a bit I've never
known. It's a stock market. Yes.
Adam Curry: But he hasn't been
asked spread of probability of
doom his P do.
Unknown: I buy his doom
argument? I buy the chain and
the logic. Like my P Doom, my
probability of doom is like, my
bid ask spread and that's pretty
high because of a lot of
uncertainty. But I would say
it's like between, like five and
55
Adam Curry: and 50. That's quite
the spread, young man.
Unknown: There's a wide spread,
which I think Paul Cristiano,
here's
Adam Curry: the here's the VC
douche piping,
Unknown: five and 50 There's a
wide spread. I think Paul
Christiano 50 Cristiano who
handled
John C Dvorak: back it up, but
why? He says is the large spread
but what is the five represent
and what is the 50 Represent?
It's
Adam Curry: these guys to just
talk about their butthole
unbelievable so here's his bid
so there's 5% that I don't know
I really don't know and then
this other guy says, Well, you
know that guy his his bid ask
spread is different. No wonder
these VCs lost their ass on FTX
was Sam bank when freed they let
these people come in who either
talk like this guy or talk like
Altman uncomplicated talker
because I'm a deep deep thinker,
or like Elon Musk, when you
know. AI could could could lead
the world, right? If we don't
have guardrails? It's very
important to do that. These
people are full of crap.
Unknown: Five and 50. So there's
a wide spread. I think Paul
Cristiano 50 Cristiano who
handled you know, a lot of the
stuff within open AI, I think,
said 25 to 50. It's like if you
if you talk to most AI,
researchers or some
preponderance of people, that's
good that should, that should
cause you to shut your pants.
spinneys human level extinction.
The human level extinction is
such an exciting thing humans is
bad enough. It's like potential
destruction of all value in the
light cone. Like, like not just
for us, but for any species
caught in the wake of the
explosion. It's like a universe
destroying bomb. This is not a
figured out later thing. This is
like a big fucking problem. It's
like someone who invented a way
to make like 10x more powerful
fusion bombs out of like sand
and bleach. That like anyone
could do at home. Yeah. It's
terrifying. And I've had enough
time with it now that I can
laugh about it when I first
realized it was fucking
heartstopping heartstopping
Adam Curry: technology. It's
not. It used to be disruptive.
Now it's heartstopping. Because
the P Doom Bid and Ask spread is
out of control. And all that's
right, while thrive. How much do
we invest in? It's so bad that
Bobby The Op RFK Jr. is all in
on this stuff to book I know,
uses his own campaign video that
he put on x. Look, I know, you
know a lot about AI. Right. And
you know how dangerous he's
talking to Lex Friedman. You
know, another one of these guys
complicated talkers. I'm from
MIT, and I wear a black suit
with a black tie for all my
interviews. Now, you know, I'm
from Russia, right? So, AI, we
have to have guardrails. But
look, I know you know a lot
about AI, right. And you know,
how dangerous it is potentially
to humanity and what
opportunities it also but it did
kill us all. I mean, Elon said,
first is going to steal our job,
and it's going to kill us. And
it's probably not hyperbole,
it's actually you know, if it
follows the laws of biological
evolution, which are just the
laws of mathematics, that's
probably a potential endpoint,
but we need to make sure it's
regulated, and it's regulated
properly for safety in every
country. And that includes
Russia and China, we should be
putting all the weapons of war
aside and sitting down with
those guys and say, How are we
going to do this? There's much
more important things to do this
stuff is gonna kill us if we
don't figure out how to regulate
it. And leadership needs to look
down the road and what is the
real risk here and the real risk
is that AI will will enslave us.
Yeah, you lost my vote Bobby,
the
John C Dvorak: boy I'll say love
Adam Curry: the very real
enslave. And I think I'm, I'm
obviously not a programmer, I
barely hack together the first
podcast grip. I think, you know,
programmers always talk about
recursion. And that is what that
that Emmett shear was basically
saying, it's like we turn
looking at itself, but it's
always degenerative. It's like
when you hold a mirror up
against the mirror to a certain
point it's just no good it's
infinity and you don't Yes,
exactly goes away. I think
mathematically
John C Dvorak: back at bat you
put the two mirrors up in the
same way in the back you can see
is barely mess recurrent gross.
There's recursion
Adam Curry: freezes the system.
It never it never in fact
doesn't get better. No, it
always gets worse. And he's
saying, you know, his bid ask
spread is P Doom factor is based
upon, I think this mathematical
fallacy that oh, we'll turn it
on itself. No, I just don't
think so. Anyway. Now the only
the only people who are talking
about what was really going on
in this open AI company, and I'm
thinking, I'm thinking Satya
Nadella, who is very he turned
Microsoft around. He took it
from bombers mess and turn it
around into a powerhouse.
John C Dvorak: The stock the
bombers mess wasn't really much
of a mess. It was a stable
operation that had no it had no
pizzazz.
Adam Curry: I apologize. The
stock
John C Dvorak: price was
stagnant. Yeah, it was it was
stagnant. It was like a summer
was not you know, ever since he
left his program Marketing
Marketing programmers
programmers or whatever it was
jumping up and down. days ever
since those days left the
company, the excitability was he
was basically just to calm
Adam Curry: that's saying a lot
about Ballmer. Such an Adela,
who has been at Microsoft for a
quarter of a century probably.
He, he you know, he he, I mean,
you could see it comment. He
made Microsoft exciting. It's
also I mean, in my opinion,
Windows is horrible. It's never
been as bad as it is now.
Windows has become an app and
it's talking to Microsoft all
the I just hate it too much too
much weight, but the excitement
is there. And then as you're
going cloud, you know, cloud
became a thing. He saw that he
needed something to ignite the
cloud service. And this is his,
his fuel that he throws in my
fire. It's Yes, because he's
telling all his customers. You
better get in on this AI stuff
now. Oh,
John C Dvorak: because she does
have a lot of cycles. Yes it
because
Adam Curry: it chews up cycles
and we need you to pay for that.
If you've ever rented a server
from Amazon Web Services, you
know how expensive it can get
very, very quickly unless you
really know what you're doing.
And I think he saw this Altman
character and went by should
have clipped it but Kara Swisher
was even asking, Well, isn't
Altman the kind of guy who could
become the CEO of Microsoft?
That Dell was looking at this
like, are you insane woman?
Altman is a weirdo. Who He is.
He's a, it's a marketing guy
just like Elon Musk. I've always
said Elon Musk hasn't invented
anything new. He he's, he has
that complicated. Elizabeth
Holmes talk. Except Elizabeth
Holmes really didn't have anyone
to execute. Elon has got people
who execute all over the place.
John C Dvorak: And they're
almost at a higher and
Adam Curry: Altman. It's clear
now to me, he wanted to move
ahead. He said, we're going to
do the app store because there's
no other sex that's left,
there's no sexiness left in, in
open AI, other than you can
create your own apps and they
have SDKs and toolkits. And all
of it crunches up as your
compute cycles. This is the
industry they're trying to
bamboozle everybody with. And
the only people still looking at
the nut jobs in open AI the x.
What is it effective altruists?
He is the techno douche is from
France 24. And so now and it's
rampant there. Because now the
techno chick is going to explain
it to us. Let me
Unknown: just ask you that
Julia. What do you think has
been happening on was
for sure is that the official
reason of his early dismissal is
still unclear. But in the
backdrop of all of this, you
have this battle between two
different currents of thought on
how to develop AI on one hand,
you have what we call people who
are in the Effective Altruism,
current. So what that means is
that you're for the development
of AI, but to answer let's say,
general interest questions for
the greater good of the world,
and they tend to be you know, in
favor of regulation. On the
other you have what we call
effective acceleration ism. So
here the goal is really to
advance technologically as
quickly as possible and to deal
with problems as they emerge. So
Adam Curry: there you have it.
Altman was in a different column
different called he was an
access to an effective X
effective accelerate RISM. Have
you ever heard of something so
stupid, effective, accelerate
them, okay,
Unknown: in real time, and they
tend to be against regulation.
So of course, this is simply
put, but you can understand the
dilemma of companies who buy
wanting to be a little bit too
ethical, they also risk to lose
the market share. Now, what's
been said about Sam Altman is
that he could have been
transitioning towards a more
accelerationist vision, which
could have divided open AI as
board members. Now you have to
understand that most companies
who work in the AI sector are
actually in a frenzy race to go
towards what we call general,
artificial intelligence, so an
artificial intelligence that
would surpass us as humans in
all the tasks and all domains.
Now, of course, not yet. We're
not there yet. We shouldn't even
be talking about artificial
intelligence, most of the time,
we should refer to deep learning
machine learning. So when
algorithms are using data to
train themselves, but there
isn't any intelligence there,
per se,
there's no intelligence. Oh, no
techno trick do tell me more. So
it's impressive Giulia, but we
know that there are big
challenges as well. Whereas
there
are it's very imperfect, there's
what we call algorithmic bias.
So this is when the AI is going
to reflect the, the bias in the
data that it uses to train
itself and the data of the bias
of the data scientists. There's
problem, there's a lack of
transparency, which is huge,
especially when we talk about
deep neural networks. So these
are neural networks are trying
to mimic the human brain in the
way that it actually thinks. And
Adam Curry: these people, this
of actual thought in Silicon
Valley, oh, we can do better
than the brain. We can do better
than that. I mean, people only
use a certain mode, although
that's been debunked, but it's
like it we can do better. We can
do better than God. And this is
no problem we can we can create
neural pathways. And
Unknown: here, it's very opaque.
We don't know well, how the
decision process is happening.
So what's the decision tree? For
instance? Of course, we're
talking about the
Adam Curry: decision tree. We're
back to skip logic, John, there
it is the decision. What's the
decision tree here? Who planted
the seed for the decision tree?
What's the
Unknown: decision tree for
instance? Of course, we're
talking about data. So there's
security and confidentiality
issues, ethical issues, when
we're talking about autonomous
decision making by machines.
There's of course,
accountability issues, if there
are errors, goes to open AI, and
we often talk about this and I
think it's very important the
impact of course on
unemployment, because of this
automation powered by AI is
going to disrupt, you know, many
jobs. And so these are all of
the problems. But of course,
there's the other side of the
coin is going to revolutionize
so many sectors. Let's take just
one example of the health
sector. Now we're talking about
early diagnosis thing to AI,
we're talking about predictive
health, we're talking about
personalized treatment that's
going to reduce cost is going to
reduce side effects for
patients. And ultimately, it's
going to save lives. So I think,
before it actually replaces us
completely, is really going to
start, you know, assisting us at
least in the tests that we have
on a daily basis. It's not
Adam Curry: No, it's not.
John C Dvorak: This was the
medical smart systems that were
developed in the 80s. Expert
systems was determined back then
in 80s, who
Adam Curry: do tell you that no,
no, give us some history. I love
hearing Oh,
John C Dvorak: yeah, the expert
did this is the first this is
the last time we had this is
flirtation with artificial
intelligence was in the 80s.
With the fifth generation
computing and all the rest of
it. They had all the Stanford
had their Michigan lab and ran
my lab and they're working on
all this stuff. And one of the
things they came up with expert
systems, and expert systems was
exactly what they're talking
about. She's kind of talking
about where the ended medical
was going to be transformed by
expert systems and you put your
symptoms into the computer and
the computer with its AI was aI
at the time, which was an expert
system, we'd come back with a
diagnosis and this was, what 45
years ago
Adam Curry: that actually has
come back. It's interesting. You
bring that up because I heard on
my hatless and I won't obviously
won't play it. This was a couple
of weeks back they had on a guy
clearly, you know, was meant to
be promoted on their show. And
he had developed kiosks. Yes,
kiosks, where you walk into the
kiosk and the AI goes What is
your problem? And then you say,
Well, I got a scratchy throat to
put on this sensor. And then you
strap a sensor on and then and
then poop it'll say you need
this and it'll pop out some that
pill for you to take. This is
the same thing. This I'm not
going to use it.
John C Dvorak: So they got rid
of the free pills.
Adam Curry: They got rid of they
got rid of the Helen toner who
was Australia not British. Thank
you for correcting me everybody.
They got rid of all those Kooks
and then put Sam back in. And
and he's You're right. He's the
shim. So you sit there you sit
pretty. And then if you get sued
out of all
John C Dvorak: hell breaks
loose, you're on your own. Yeah.
That may be doing you worry
about it. Because we'll go back
it will take in Yeah,
Adam Curry: we have beaten up
and we have the IP, we have the
compute. And we have
John C Dvorak: IP why Microsoft
is dynamite getting IP and
they're doing nothing with it.
They had they stole all the IP
of the
Adam Curry: IP is intellectual
property. For people who don't
know they've took all
John C Dvorak: the AI if you
remember that era, it was
another little fad that took
place just started kind of came
and went just before we began
our show 16 years ago with these
with these machine translation
systems. And there was a bunch
of them. And some of them were
pretty good. And heard nearly
something learn out in the house
be and there's a whole bunch of
them. You may be somehow
Microsoft, and they were and
they work? Well, you mean we
talk
Adam Curry: and then it would it
would translate your speech,
speech to text. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And it worked
pretty well. And in fact, it
worked better than it should
have left the house being
learner to whatever that one
system was. And Microsoft's
always invested a little bit
here and there. And they ended
up as part of the investment.
When the company is all all went
under, they all went under. And
Microsoft ended up with all the
IP that was part of the deal is
like, well, if you go broke,
we're gonna give you money. But
if you go broke, right here in
the contract, we now have the IP
this is like, that's
Adam Curry: Microsoft. That's
how Microsoft rolls, Microsoft.
John C Dvorak: But the thing is,
they ended up collecting all
this IP. And I remember writing
about this, Microsoft I was told
by one of the X guys from one of
these companies that all
Microsoft is going to kick ass
in this field because they own
all the IP of all the companies
that did any of this work. And
they're going to be the company
that does no, never have they
just IP still there nobody. They
sit on it and they don't do crap
with it. It's like the I don't
know what it is about them, but
they suck up IP and then they
let it languish
Adam Curry: to weird well, that
they do whatever they want. So
yeah, I know whether it might
have been I don't know how you
feel about it, but I think this
thing is falling apart. Now I
don't think it's
John C Dvorak: falling apart
yet. You're always a little
ahead of this with your
prediction. I think he's got a
Adam Curry: year to go or maybe
okay, but not Not much, but I'm
John C Dvorak: gonna give you
some kudos. I'm not gonna give
you any kudos for the following
clip. But I think it'd be a nice
break and clip edge. Play this,
okay? And it's not necessarily
kudos, but it's like I roll as
far as I'm concerned.
Adam Curry: Can you just add
them you're great you don't have
to play clip you can just say
you Good job, Adam. Whatever it
is.
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm not
gonna say yet. So I'm watching
the the value tainment. Guys Oh
PBD.
Adam Curry: Yes, the value
tainment guys
John C Dvorak: and for so some
unknown reason. I don't know why
the beginning never explained
it. But Roger Stone was sitting
there.
Adam Curry: I can already feel
where this is going.
John C Dvorak: Is so they're
talking about every thing.
They're talking about the
sambangan. This not saying but I
did the same thing. Sam Altman.
Get those two confused. Sam
Altman and how he got it. Dad
analysis was here. Before
Adam Curry: you intro this clip,
just to fix to accentuate we're
talking about Sam Altman. He ran
Y Combinator. And that was one
of the really one of the 2000s
one of the big things was an
incubator. It's a technology
incubator, and it works. Went to
Yeah, Oh, totally. I think
didn't zoom
John C Dvorak: come out of that.
And slack and a lot of stuff
came out of and he made a lot of
money. Yeah. And so
Adam Curry: but what but what
you do is, you say, Okay, you
couple of guys, you're good.
Come in here, give us 50% of
your company. And that will give
you a desk, enjoy. And then when
something pops out, then you
hook those guys up with your red
point. VC guys, and you're an
angel investor, and you make out
like a bandit. And if you're
lucky, like one or two of these
will sell and you make a lot of
money. And all the rest of those
kids are just you know, they're
the ones that got wiped, wiped,
wiped off of the sidewalks of
San Francisco when she came to
town, but it doesn't mean that
he's he's some AI Genie.
John C Dvorak: Anyway, no, not.
Anyway, so it so this was about
politics, and they go on and on
about what's going to happen and
how and they were talking about
Trump's numbers going up like
that we just played. And he goes
on and on. And so they asked him
for a rundown on what's going on
with, what are they going to do
about Biden and rest? And I
thought this was quite
interesting. And I think you'd
enjoy it. Roger,
Unknown: who Roger who's going
to make that decision to say,
President Biden, thank you for
your service. Please step aside.
How
does the inner workings the
inner plumbing of the DNC,
actually work? Who's making that
decision? Most
Influential Democrat in the
country today is Barack Obama.
There is no question about that.
And these these affiliated news
outlets respond very much to
him. He can he can and the way
their convention is set up is
very different than the
Republican convention. So you
can dump a nominee because of
the super delegates far more
easily. So the fact that that
the filing deadlines have
already passed in the Democratic
primary and caucus schedule for
for New Hampshire, New Hampshire
and Iowa have been neutered,
they've taken away their
delegates to make South Carolina
the first contest, a state with
an absolute majority of African
American voters in their primary
in Chicago, the convention is
where Chicago the Obamas
hometown. I have predicted for
some time that Michelle Obama is
the most likely news. Here's
here's why. It's quite simple.
You have an African problem you
have a woman of color who's the
vice president, she's next in
line how do you how do you
rationalize passing her by if
Joe doesn't run? How can you get
away with passing her by she's
out to
pull the race card you have
right well, identity politics
show you show
you replace a woman of color
with a far more popular you're
gonna have two
women running the cartoon or I'm
out? No,
not necessarily. But I don't
think that they can. I mean, you
can't just bypass Kamala Harris,
despite the fact that she
doesn't have dementia, but she
makes less sense than
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, he's
been on this tip for a while.
John C Dvorak: So I just thought
I'd give you a little Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, we will boost
stigma 2020 for everybody.
John C Dvorak: The American
public who would really recoil
against this Do
Adam Curry: you really think so?
Oh, yeah. Well, maybe, I don't
know. You know what, it will be
good for the show.
John C Dvorak: It wouldn't be
good for the show. Great for the
show. As for sure. I have
nothing but Rando Rando clips.
Adam Curry: What can we do?
Farmer them before we get into
some randos we want to randos
first
John C Dvorak: I'd like to start
the farm off with my the Maderna
CEO at a W E F meet ink.
Adam Curry: This used to be old,
does it got to be old? I don't
know, it's
John C Dvorak: just a question
and answer the date is unknown,
but but it's not more than a
year old. But it's where he clip
is called CEO of Maderna
predicting the pandemic,
Unknown: I'm gonna go with the
Stefan ban. So let's talk about
vaccine development, because
we've heard how it happened,
obviously, with COVID-19,
starting from 2022, and how
extraordinary the process was
also in terms of the speed, how
is development, adoption and
scaling of vaccine going on when
it comes for different variants
and sub variants, because this
is one of the big concerns. As
we as we're all here now, and
we're discussing, we understand
the context and this is a great
deal.
Sure, like Good morning and
thank you for having me on the
panel. So the great news is us
2020 Where we are today is we
have manufacturing capacity, as
Jeff knows when the pandemic
happened more than made $100,000
in 2019 for the whole year. And
I remember walking after that I
was into the office of my other
manufacturing and I say how we
make a billion dollars next year
and they look at me a bit funny
say what Yeah, we'd make a beat
on those next year there's gonna
be a pandemic
John C Dvorak: This was taken
this was cut off I didn't get
the whole clip I couldn't find
it but probably
Adam Curry: funny. Yeah. I think
I have it somewhere the
John C Dvorak: whole one to
where he goes on because I like
nobody says afterwards.
Adam Curry: Majority of us by
the way, while you're
John C Dvorak: looking for that
I do have the new pandemic or
when possible one Oh yes. You
heard about this. Yes, I
Adam Curry: have a I couldn't
get get an American clip. You
have an American clip?
John C Dvorak: I have the NTD
clip. Oh,
Adam Curry: we'll do the NTD
clip and then we will do the W
IOM clip they are the only ones
that seem to be on this. See
what do you have it called here?
NEW NEW NEW NEW. Yes new new
Unknown: wave of mystery
pneumonia is breaking out in
China affecting mostly children
and overwhelming Chinese
hospital. Doctors there tell us
the disease can be traced back
to some combined pathogens like
COVID-19. The flu and mycoplasma
pneumonia. Parents say the
symptoms aren't usually severe.
This time the child had a high
fever repeatedly, which never
went down. This is too scary. A
former Chinese reporter posted a
conversation in a group chat
indicating that a child died on
the new pneumonia. The wave hit
the area around Beijing but also
Dalian a city almost 500 miles
from Beijing. Hospitals are
overwhelmed with sick children.
Hospital staff from Tianjin city
told us some children have to
wait days to be treated. Parents
starts grumbling several days in
advance to get the numbers. We
only have so many doctors and we
can only handle so many people
every day. So we give out a
certain amount of numbers every
day. You can book in events, but
you have to be able to grab one
first because a huge number of
children are getting sick. This
wave started a month ago and
it's getting worse. Recently
parents told us some schools
suspended classes as both
teachers and students are sick.
They said the authorities are
trying to block informations
from circulating online.
Adam Curry: Oh this is very
good. Oh, excellent. Well, wi O
N was a little more explicit
about it trying to relate it to
the the OG pandemic
Unknown: undetermined pneumonia
outbreak in China is hitting
children hard. Children's
Hospitals are overwhelmed in
multiple locations. Reports
of a spike in pneumonia cases in
China are similar to early
reports of a mystery pneumonia
outbreak in 2019 in Wuhan, which
heralded the emergence of
COVID-19 Now
the reports referenced swamped
pediatric hospitals in multiple
locations including Beijing and
allowing a which is around 800
kilometers away from faults also
say the pneumonia outbreaks have
led to school cancellations and
some illnesses in teachers.
Adam Curry: So a couple of
things here by
John C Dvorak: the way, why they
ping pong in the report.
Adam Curry: That's how they roll
that's how they do it. Stupid
John C Dvorak: was says one
sentence the other one says
another sentence and that goes
back and forth back and
Adam Curry: forth. This is why
we're doing a podcast we're not
running W Iowan. So what we need
to see now, people be aware we
need to see children dying on
Tik Tok. That will be one I
mean, originally we saw people
falling down on tick tock in the
middle of the street. You
remember those videos? Those are
the good old days and we need
something like that. Then we
need
John C Dvorak: an ISP being
sprayed with some powder.
Remember that one?
Adam Curry: Yes. And then we
need a landing zone in the west
where you know well, some babies
got on a flight and they flew
over there and the other babies
so we see Seattle will be good.
And and then we'll take it from
there. You know we already have
all the drill We know how to do
it. We know how to talk to
people. We know how to
communicate, and we Johns
Hopkins. When they start getting
on this train, then we should be
worried. And at the same time,
Mandy Cohen,
John C Dvorak: you heard it here
first, by the way? Yes, yes.
Adam Curry: It's totally we're
all over this. We're ready for
it. Dr. Mandy Cohen, who is the
new Director of the CDC, man she
is she's also a, a marketing
person. She's like the Sam
Altman of Big Pharma. And she's
going out there and she's
getting everybody ready and
getting everybody worried and
everyone confused and it'll be
be a little less anxious because
you don't want to kill grandma.
Remember, it's Thanksgiving,
everybody. Let's have a happy,
cheery report
Unknown: as millions get ready
to gather for the holiday health
officials are urging people to
take some extra precautions.
That's because the CDC estimates
there have already been up to
1.6 million flu cases. RSV
infections are also on the rise,
especially impacting kids under
the age of four and COVID-19.
Still a concern for a lot of
families, but only about 15% of
adults have received that
updated shot. So let's break it
down to what it all means. How
we can protect ourselves and our
loved one mandate. CDC is new
director, Dr. mandato. Dr. Koh
I'm so happy that you're here
with us today. You
Adam Curry: know, the news
stations are so happy. They
don't have to deal with Fauci
anymore. They got Dr. Mandy,
she's up. She's exciting. She's
young, you know, they're happy
to have her on the show.
Unknown: As we said, tons of
people are on the road, people
are going to be gathering. Not
many people have gotten the flu
shot or the COVID shot. How
concerned are you about these?
Leaving
the witness? Well, look,
we love to gather during the
holidays. And it's wonderful to
be here with both of us. So fun.
So
Adam Curry: fun. It's wonderful
to be here with both of you so
fun. But as we get
John C Dvorak: specifically what
makes it fun. You've done a hit.
Adam Curry: She's there with
him. She's in studio.
John C Dvorak: She's in the
studio.
Adam Curry: It's so fun. So fun
getting up at the crack of dawn,
getting in your limo and getting
into makeup and then waiting
around and drinking crappy
coffee. It's so fun holiday
gatherings.
Unknown: Well, look, we love to
gather during the holidays. And
first it's wonderful to be here
with both of us. So fun. But as
we get into the holidays, we
need to protect each other. And
yes, too few people have gotten
the vaccines Hold on
Adam Curry: a second. We need to
protect each other. Is she
repeating the completely
debunked lie? That being
vaccinated somehow stops the
spread. We have to protect each
other. So I have to get
vaccinated for you. I thought we
were past that you
John C Dvorak: have to get
vaccinated for me and you have
to be matched up double mask
from three, five and six feet
away.
Adam Curry: So okay, so we're
just back to that old script.
And it's just so fun to be here.
And we're not questioning that
NBC Today Show
Unknown: to be here with both of
us so fun. But as we get into
the holidays, we need to protect
each other. And yes, too few
people have gotten the vaccine
so far and I know folks are over
COVID and they want to leave it
in the rearview mirror but it's
here with us. So the three
reasons to get vaccinated one
the virus has changed. So you
want the most updated protection
you can get second if you had
COVID before or you've had been
vaccinated, that protection has
decreased over time so you want
the boosted up protection and
third people are still getting
long COVID Right the long
symptoms from from that virus
even if you get a mild case so
all three reasons we don't want
to be sick but we certainly
don't want to be sick for a long
time. So getting vaccinated is
still really the most important
way you can protect yourself and
your family. Oh
Adam Curry: well. Thanks doctor
manual But wait, there's more. I
mean, wasn't there a shortage of
all these wonderful this try
valence hard
Unknown: to get the COVID
vaccine in the early going this
more updated one Do you feel
like all those wrinkles have
been kind of ironed out and it's
pretty accessible? Yeah, so
moving out of the emergency the
federal government wasn't
purchasing and distributing the
private sector was doing it they
did have some hiccups right at
the beginning but that's all
really been ironed out plenty of
plenty of supply of vaccine for
COVID and flu get your
appointment now it's never too
late to get vaccinated. I know
folks are saying oh it's already
in the middle of season No it's
actually just starting right now
so plenty of time to get
vaccinated
Adam Curry: plenty of time to
get vaccinated right
John C Dvorak: if it's starting
right now there's not plenty of
time.
Adam Curry: Now does that make
any cuz she's she's doing a
sales job here she's got her
brown shoes on and she's selling
by the way karma for us are Mark
Hall he finally got COVID The as
he had he had not gotten COVID
got COVID be text me so happy
Thanksgiving. I've COVID And you
know what? The doctor pushed on
him right away. remdesivir No,
I'm not a doctor. But no, no,
no, no, no, not at all. Let's go
back to Doctor man. The number
of
Unknown: people who have the
flu. It seems pretty high. Do
you think this is all because we
had been isolate Thank you for
so much because now I know is
because your immune system is
shot people like people have had
these long coughs for months
that's been going on and on.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you had a
cough going on for quite a long
time.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you should.
I had a cough that went on for a
month and you should mask
Adam Curry: up, I don't want to
come on through the wires. There
are
Unknown: a lot of bugs that are
circulating. It's never too late
to get vaccinated viruses and
bacteria. But we have ways to
protect ourselves vaccine is
one. But also if you get sick
over this holiday season, make
sure you're getting tested.
Because testing allows you to
know what you have
John C Dvorak: done even worse.
Unknown: Boxes of tests, we have
treatment for flu and for COVID.
And that treatment could save
your life.
John C Dvorak: Or damage. What
do you need the vaccine for?
Yeah,
Unknown: yeah,
the flu and for COVID. And that
treatment could save your life
you can get for free tests.
COVID. Tessa COVID test.gov
Right now we actually just
yesterday said you can get for
free new ones. So get your 10
with you. If so, you know if
you're getting sick, take
Adam Curry: the app. So you so
you know if you're getting sick,
this is all so dystopian.
John C Dvorak: Is such bold,
grand last, you know you're
getting sick. Just keep taking
the test over and over. Exactly
right.
Unknown: Dr. Cohen, you're the
new sheriff in town, the new
head of the CDC and I don't have
to tell you the
Adam Curry: new sheriff in town.
She's the new sheriff in town.
She's not a Doctor Jim.
John C Dvorak: She's just a
bureaucrat. The sheriff is an
EDC become the spokesperson for
all this stuff. I remember 10
years ago, they never showed it.
It's only recent. Yeah. We never
heard from the CDC. There was
something crazy outbreak of
salmonella. Yeah. Well, let's
Adam Curry: go back to the new
sheriff in
Unknown: town, Dr. Konya, the
new sheriff in town, the new
head of the CDC. And I don't
have to tell you, they're happy
she Oh, she's laughing in the
background. Yes, I am Dr. Koh
into the new sheriff in town,
the new head of the CDC. And I
don't have to tell you there
have been some questions about
trust in the agency in the wake
of the pandemics public trust, a
few surveys will show you that
the CDC is held in low regard,
but the trust is not there as it
used to be. What are you doing
to turn it around?
Yeah, so I'm about six months
into the job. We're focused on
transparency, where I think
that's important to build trust,
communicating faster, more
simply making sure we're focused
on giving folks simple ways to
protect themselves, certainly
building relationships. And I
personally have been traveling
all around the country, so that
folks can hear from me directly.
So I'm not just a CDC director.
I'm a mom.
Adam Curry: I'm not just the
president of the HAIR CLUB. For
men. I'm a client,
Unknown: so that folks can hear
from me directly. So I'm not
just a CDC director. I'm a mom.
I have two daughters who are
nine and 11. And I want them to
know what I did for my own
daughters. And I got both of
them the updated COVID vaccine
and the flu shot because I
wanted them to be protected. Why
don't you give them the RSV
shot. Same with myself, I got
myself vaccinated my parents, I
wouldn't recommend something for
the American people I wouldn't
do for my own family. And I want
to hear from from me directly.
So I've been all over the
country sharing that
message with Dr. Cohen, we wish
you the best of luck. Thank you
for coming to see us. Thank
you so much. Thanks for having
me.
Adam Curry: Right. Well, so, you
know, honestly, that's all
unless this new Chinese thing
gets some get some legs which I
don't know. I don't know if
that's gonna work or not.
John C Dvorak: I think it would
have been picked up by someone
by now. It could have been a
month in the making.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, it took
a while for COVID to really be
at first it was a slow burn. We
had the Tick Tock video we need
the Tick Tock videos. We need
dead babies
John C Dvorak: COVID I think
began in earnest when the case
is appeared in in Seattle
Adam Curry: no when it was in
Italy that's when it started no
no it
John C Dvorak: was the Seattle
cases that's when we got
involved that we we hear yes
true true. We hear God and all
jacked up and it was I still
have the clips where they go
well you know we have to wait
and see bad bad for these old
people.
Adam Curry: Let's let's just
finish this out with some ABC
ABC the see that they got they
got a little buy on ABC not not
a big buy. But they did do and
someone was emailed us asking
about this. Because you didn't
really understand about the
native ad and I had to explain
that when the pharmaceutical
companies or any company
McDonald's is even better
example. McDonald's has, you
know, they're bringing back the
McNugget or the make rib
sandwich and then so they say
okay, we're gonna buy $5 million
worth of advertising one of
spots running on ABC. But then
you know to kick it off we want
to have the morning crew now
eating our McRib sandwich. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: and then by the
way that should be noted that we
always time these out. And they
always run almost exactly two
minutes. Like it definite by the
spot anyway, if it goes any
longer you people have given
each other the evil eye
Adam Curry: Let's see. Let's
talk about let's see if ABC Good
Morning America if they have
anything and with
Unknown: that ginger flu and
respiratory illness season
getting underway the CDC issuing
its first report of the season
on where activity is already. Hi
Stephanie Ramos is here with
more good morning Stephanie.
Robin Good
morning. We are in the thick of
the flu season new data from the
Centers for Disease Prevention
indicates that several seats are
grappling with elevated flu
activity. The CDC is latest
report reveals many spikes in
influenza this is across seven
states including Louisiana,
Alabama, Florida, Georgia,
Mississippi Republicans New
Mexico and South Carolina.
Additionally, DC and Puerto Rico
are experiencing elevated flu
levels. Some good news though,
despite increased flu and COVID
19 cases hospitalizations have
been lower compared to last
year. However, health officials
caution against complacency, the
CDC estimates which has been
more than 780,000 Flu illnesses
and nearly 500 deaths from
October of last year, up until
last week, while flu
hospitalizations have remained
lower than this time last year.
Emergency Rooms brace for what
could be challenging. An RRSP
flu and COVID now as the holiday
season approaches Thanksgiving
is just this week, health
officials warned about the
potential for super spreader
events and urge caution during
gatherings. Lindsay COURAGING
people to mask up once again
Stephanie, our thanks to you go
up.
Adam Curry: No one said that the
CDC didn't say it. She just said
encouraging people to mask up.
So I don't know what that was
about but Pax Lovitt got got
some some some advertising in
here. All right.
Unknown: Dr. Darian, you are
taking a look at COVID cases
they are taking up around the
country and looking up as an
uptick and people are revisiting
questions around pecs, lovin.
Tell us about that, who's
benefiting from it. So
I think it's really important to
talk about this when I'm
diagnosing patients and they
have a higher risk. I usually
talk to them about passivate.
And it's helpful effectiveness
in preventing COVID-19
complications. So here's the
four things I think you should
know. Oh,
Adam Curry: so he's not the
vaccine guy. He's the Pax COVID
guide, not Pax Lovitt, the Pax
livid guy shouldn't so
Unknown: here's the four things
I think you should know. Number
one, who are they for a Pax
event is indicated for anyone
over the age of 50. And or those
who have long in heart disease
or a compromised immune system.
We've known previously in
clinical trials that packs a bit
has reduced the risk of
hospitalization by as much as
90%. Now, you might see numerous
studies that show a decrease
effectiveness, that doesn't mean
that the medication is
decreasing the effectiveness. I
love that doesn't mean we're
comparing it to though the
comparable group, those who have
been vaccinated those who have
had COVID 19 infections. That's
why we see that number change.
Do you understand
Adam Curry: what he just said?
Yeah, he didn't say anything.
You may read stuff about, okay,
go out there and debunk whatever
you
John C Dvorak: read is wrong. To
me studies that
Unknown: show a decrease
effectiveness, that doesn't mean
that the medication is
decreasing the effectiveness.
We're comparing it to though the
comparable group those who have
been vaccinated those who have
had COVID 19 infections. That's
why we see that number change.
Thirdly, what it looks like it
is a combination of two
medications, three pills you
take twice a day. And then
lastly, the possible side
effects that we should all pay
attention to it can include an
altered sense of tastes, nausea,
diarrhea, and sometimes muscle
aches. That's that's the same
thing as as COVID.
Taken COVID
John C Dvorak: basically COVID
in a pill
Unknown: and of course, we
always talk about the risk of
packs of it rebound which is a
small but important to note
population were to call
it anti bar antiviral
medication, certainly helping
many.
Adam Curry: Absolutely,
absolutely. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Good job here to
check it out of here, Doc.
John C Dvorak: But that of
course, is not checked goes the
other way. Yeah, well, this
Adam Curry: this is true. This
of course, is not the big pharma
ad for this season. No, this
season is all about
Thanksgiving. Is it? Do you say
Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving? I
hear people say Thanksgiving
instead of Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: I say
Thanksgiving.
Adam Curry: Thanksgiving. Yeah.
For Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: It's
Thanksgiving. Okay.
Adam Curry: Anyway, back to the
season. Of course. We have
something fantastic on the
market right now. We're so happy
to have this because people
usually struggle around this
season, when there's a lot of
food around and luckily we've
got some weight loss drugs for
you. Which one shall we sell on
NBC
Unknown: we gather tonight with
friends and family getting ready
for the Thanksgiving holiday.
Some are changing the way many
people think about their
Thanksgiving feast. The growing
popularity of weight loss drugs,
Stephanie Goss on a holiday meal
game changer.
It's a game changer. stepaside
stuffing and pumpkin pie for
many Americans the focus this
Thanksgiving may be less on the
food. The use of revolutionary
weight loss and diabetes
medications is skyrocketing for
some people that this holiday is
about piling up a lot of food on
your plate. Is that something
that you would do anymore? Now?
Absolutely not. Absolute Barrow
lost 75 pounds in the last year
taking the diabetes drug Manjaro
and just not eating the same
amount that you used to. But it
all looks so good, but you just
don't have anywhere to put it.
At the end of the day. How can
you resist that pumpkin pie?
Jackie? You can't resist you
know, just a little bit. The
conservative estimate is that at
least 3 million people are
taking Diabetes drugs ozempic
And Manjaro or the obesity drug
will go V Do you think people
are gonna buy less turkeys? I
doubt that's gonna happen this
Thanksgiving. But while the
bottom line for food companies
hasn't changed, the industry is
definitely paying attention. In
October Walmart CEO told
Bloomberg that shoppers who were
picking up prescriptions to
weight loss medications, were
buying less food. Why do you
think food companies will start
adapting
easy options are things like
portion control. If people are
saying I get full faster, then
maybe I want to pivot to
something that smaller portion
sizes,
which is what grandmother Jackie
Barrows says she will prefer
tomorrow while she enjoys some
of her newfound energy.
I'll be running around with the
kids. I am thankful
I am going to be able to do this
and enjoy it more this time with
a little less food and lots more
family. Wonderful. This
John C Dvorak: is a new load
thing in there. As you catch it
increases your energy to run
around with the kid granny
Adam Curry: I did get boots on
the ground very well done boots
on the ground from a family
physician in the Netherlands. I
just got out of a Pfizer lunch
and a walltime yes about the
winter respiratory infections.
It seems like they are lining up
medical professionals for more
awareness on Respiratory
Syndrome by E trying to scare
them by have to disagree with J
JCD. RSV has been a very common
respiratory infection in
children up to one year has no
specific treatment, but as a
common reason for
hospitalization for support or
oxygen where they present with
an asthma attack. However, Mike
John C Dvorak: my thing you
can't disagree with me. Because
I never said anything except the
following. I have never heard of
this disease until three years
ago. Yes,
Adam Curry: that's correct. You
have not ever heard of it.
That's correct. Lots of
John C Dvorak: people disagree.
I am not lying.
Adam Curry: No, you're not
lying. It's in fact it is a
classic JCD move. There's no
evidence and evidence I've ever
heard of this. There's no
evidence you ever heard of this?
Up until three years ago?
Correct. Both Pfizer and
GlaxoSmithKline have an RSV
vaccine in the pipeline's about
70 pregnant mothers need to take
the vaccine to prevent one
hospitalization of their
children. This is the data you
got from the lunch. The GSK
trial has problems with higher
rates of preterm birth and even
death. Sounds like
John C Dvorak: a winner who is
giving on the seminar again was
the name of the company. Pfizer
Pfizer Of course, why are they
gonna start plugging the other
guys products? I don't think so.
No, he's not plugging the guy.
He's Oh, no, the Pfizer they're
gonna present some they're not
gonna present good news about
Jesus Exactly. GlaxoSmithKline
Adam Curry: No, they said that
their vaccine is killing
John C Dvorak: people still is
killing people. It's
Adam Curry: probably a minor
problem in adults compared to
flu COVID and Mikako. Pneumonia
RSV was found in 5.7% of about
20,000 elderly in a Dutch study
median age 75 non wherever
hospitalized. You go so so this
giving it to old people is the
new thing, which is of course
there it was to rip off Medicare
and, and government totally
government money. That's what
it's about that just to make
money. Just tell everybody.
John C Dvorak: When I'm old
enough, I've been collecting
Medicare Medicare for years, and
you see it when you go just for
a checkup or anything. They are
trying to come up with anything
they can do to charge more to
the government. And I see right
I'm looking at what I know why
don't want this just I don't
want that shot. I don't want
this. I don't want that and they
always back off. Oh yeah, you
don't really need it. But they
really want you to sign up for
everything so they can gouge the
government. Yeah, this is really
the problem with Medicare.
Adam Curry: Of course it is.
It's horrible.
John C Dvorak: Why is it going
I'm broke because they're
gouging the government. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I'm just I have two
more clips before I can take a
break. And then we can certainly
do some randos. The and we had a
dinner the other night. I'm
looking at this copper price.
Did you see that this this
copper company collapsed. This
Chinese copper company mica
metals? Yeah. I mean, the copper
is, there's no way that this
something is wrong. We have all
these manufacturers saying we're
going to make electric vehicles,
but there's no demand for copper
and the copper mines are
closing. I don't understand it.
That makes no sense. And then we
had a dinner and there's a guy
who works at Mercedes Benz and
he says it's horrible. He says
it is it is horrible was
happening because he's like a
he's like a internal combustion
engine guy. He says this is no
good. And they said they, I
guess the EQ. I don't know what
it's there's some Evie Mercedes
sells. And the battery, just the
battery, guess how much it costs
just to just $30,000? Or do you
6000? He says, you have an
accident. Immediately that thing
has to be replaced. He says no,
the insurance companies are not
going to insure
John C Dvorak: total everything
out. They're not going to insure
the insurance for those cars is
going to go way up.
Adam Curry: And so I said I
said, so. What is Formula One
McLaren? Are they going to do
all battery cars? He says no,
it's worse. He says the AMG now
AMG is the like the high end
Mercedes with a aftermarket
John C Dvorak: company for
jacking up Mercedes cars. Right.
But they sell them as new. I
mean it ya know, their new cars.
Yeah. And they put their jacked
up, they get better horsepower,
they look better. Everything
about him is cool, right?
Adam Curry: So they're now so I
said, he said, what's gonna
happen with the AMG S he said,
they're gonna put batteries in
them and then like a four
cylinder engine. So they're
gonna they're still gonna sell
this AMG as a high high
horsepower car. But it's all
coming from batteries. And the
engine just going to be a little
four cylinder clunker. Yeah,
like the case. 100 cc or
something? Yeah, some motorcycle
engine. I mean, what are people
gonna buy this? I can't believe
people are gonna buy this will
John C Dvorak: from him. They'll
buy anything from AMG. I mean,
the Prius you people don't
realize that a Prius which is
the highest the real winner of a
hybrid? Yeah, it's doesn't even
have a normal combustion engine
in the front to make it a hybrid
is some three cylinder weird
engine. That's yeah, it's not
even a normal engine. So why
ankle and when it starts up the
whole car shakes like a son of a
bitch.
Adam Curry: It's a wacko motor.
I tell you know, now Toyota has
announced a car that runs on
ammonia.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this
doesn't sound right. They're
gonna get an ammonia car. Forget
it. Not me flying
Adam Curry: bombs, what they
think is stupid. Anyway, they
will be necessary because, well,
maybe not. We're basically dead.
I mean, we've missed it. We've
blown it. We're supposed to keep
the temperature down 1.5 degrees
41 here and in the hill country.
But okay. That's not the lead
story. CNN Earth
Unknown: matters series a moment
scientists have been warning
about for decades. For the first
time, the global average
temperature on Friday was more
than two degrees Celsius hotter
than levels, industrialization.
That's a crucial threshold that
have irreversible impacts on the
planet. Let's go to CNN CHIEF
climate correspondent Bill Weir.
So Bill, walk us through the
significance of this and what
the impacts could be.
well beyond that, of course, the
Paris accord was hoping to hold
things at 1.5 degrees Celsius
with a limit of two 1/3 of the
days this year, we're above 1.5
degrees. That's how hot the last
12 months had been. And yes,
humanity reached that red letter
two degrees Celsius point. This
is the really the troubling
point. Science has always
pointed to as a point where we
start to see these tipping
points where methane is released
in the Arctic perhaps or I
shells on the Antarctic might
break off and things could
happen suddenly, that of course
might happen after decades of
bubble
Adam Curry: that's that's
totally climate, climate of
fear. Where you know, where they
blew up a part of the Arctic
shelf, and then a piece of ice
broke off. And that was the
worst thing that could ever
happen, which he doesn't
exactly. Explain what happens.
But when that ice shelf breaks,
we're all dead in the
Unknown: Arctic, perhaps or ice
shelves on the Antarctic might
break off and things could
happen suddenly, that of course
might happen after decades above
two degrees, not just a short
period. But if you look at that
chart from Copernicus, this is
the UN's or the Jarrah, you Your
space and climate agency, you
see the red line where we are
right off the charts compared to
the decades that come before the
spaghetti at the bottom are 10
year periods going back to the
40s. Off The Charts, warmest and
125,000 years. And on top of
this, we just got a new
projection from the UN that just
looked at the plans for fossil
fuel extraction. Are you ready?
What's underway? What's in the
pipeline? They say well warm us
up to double right now. Point
nine degrees as well, that
despite all the pledges to
decarbonize that emissions hit a
record in 2022, over 57 tonnes
of carbon put up in the sky, it
needs to come down at a rate of
29% by the end of this decade by
2030. The honor we're on track
now, just with all the pledges
met be less than 10% decrease.
Oh, no, we're
Adam Curry: dead. Man. I can't
believe you're alive. I know.
Are you are you going with me? I
mean, we shouldn't be dead by
this. It's just horrible.
John C Dvorak: I don't know.
Now, I like the weather.
Adam Curry: Warm over there.
It's nice. We could use a little
warmer I could take two to two
degrees Celsius. So now this is
a gym. So sometime in 2024. If
all goes according to the evil
plans of the elites, we will
have this this W H O World
Health Organization treaty
signed and ratified by all
member states. And this includes
the United States, as our
country has a treaty we have the
treaty is already in place. This
is an upgrade to the treaty,
which I believe does not even
have to be ratified by our
Congress. That's where they can
get sort of grandfathered in.
It's something like that. And
what Angela and this is being
warned about in European
Parliament. I haven't really
seen it in Congress, but you
know, there's a lot of people
saying, hey, they're gonna have
a lot of power. You know? I'm
sorry. Too much power too much
power. Now. No one's really
taken this seriously because you
get that what's the douchebags
name from Nigeria? does or does
does, man. What's his name? The
the head of the who the guy we
kept. We kept that guy. That's
his name.
John C Dvorak: trollee just call
him that guy. Back to understand
him half the time that guy
Adam Curry: Wow. I'm a bit
annoyed. No, not Desmond Tutu.
Troll. I'm trying to be helpful.
No, Tedros Tedros. There we go.
Tadros headrace. So yeah, he's
hard to take serious. But there
is a person at the W H. O. Who
kind of scares me. Who is our
envoy? Who is the the United
States is Deus do chef when it
comes to climate change? I don't
know who John Kerry. Oh, that
guy. Right? Well guess where his
daughter is? Our guest
Unknown: today is Vanessa Kerry
In June she became the first
ever climate change and health
boy for the One Health.
John C Dvorak: Is she like a
climatologist or she famous
scientist and he's done a lot of
research and a lot of papers and
she knows all about climate is
out why she got this position?
Adam Curry: Well, I don't know.
But the unfortunate things is
that she has her dad's face. So
John C Dvorak: oh my god. Our
Unknown: guest today is Vanessa
Kerry In June she became the
first ever climate change and
health Special Envoy for the
World Health Organization's as
such, she will be front and
center at the upcoming cop 28 in
Dubai. So we'll be her father,
John Kerry, who is the Special
climate envoy of the Biden
administration. She
Adam Curry: is in fact a doctor.
She is a she's a picture on her
Wikipedia. She's wearing a lab
coat with a stethoscope around
her neck.
John C Dvorak: She actually
there's one picture of her here.
Straight up straight on. She
looks you know kind of okay. But
there's any semi profile. She
looks like a transgender male.
Unknown: And Dr. Vanessa Kerry
joins us from Boston. Thank you
very much. So obviously, when
people think about climate
change, they don't necessarily
think about health. You're
appointed the first to be
appointed in that position. What
does it tell us about the
importance of health in the
climate change issue?
Well, I think we have learned
with great, great understanding
in the most recent years that
the climate crisis is a health
crisis. And already
Adam Curry: climate. You're
moving through it but you're
missing what she's saying, say
climate crisis is a health
crisis
Unknown: and health crisis in
the most recent years that the
climate crisis is a health
crisis. And already we see 7
million people a year die Ain't
from air pollution, for example.
That's more than we saw in the
entire COVID pandemic over three
years. And that's one person
every five seconds so that by
the time I complete my next
sentence, someone else will have
died.
Adam Curry: Stop, no, no, stop
talking.
Unknown: You're killing people.
And we see this in every aspect
of health, the way climate
change is impacting our lived
experience. And so there's a
very real Oh,
Adam Curry: our lived
experience, oh, goodness, this
cheesy cliche, every
Unknown: aspect of health, the
way climate change is impacting
our lived experience. And so
there's a very real opportunity
for us to have a health centered
approach to climate change, and
to be able to ensure that we're
protecting how we live, how we
breathe, how we know what we can
do in our lives. And so the
appointment is really just an
opportunity to continue to
really flag the urgency of what
we face.
Adam Curry: Save the climate
wear a mask. This this we're
gonna this is how you get
climate lockdowns is bad for
your health right now. Because
you're driving a internal
combustion engine you need to
stay home these people and this
is what kind of nepotism is
this? Have John Kerry's daughter
at the who? Social convoy
Special Envoy oh yes I'll be
communicating with with Tadros
Yeah, you know, Teddy and I we
had a meeting, we think you
should lock your
John C Dvorak: co founder or the
founder of the nonprofit Seed
Global Health and that seems to
be her her and she still does
that seems to be her main thing
formerly known as the Global
Health Services core founded in
2011, Peace Corps for doctors
and nurses
Adam Curry: I have one last
boots on the ground I just
wanted to read and we have
noticed certainly with the with
the multiple wars that we are
funding that the reports often
have a lot of gunfire and
missile launchers and rockets
and bombs and I have a new one
for today's show. Well if you if
you play it then I'll I will
hold my boots on the ground. So
after we've played that because
this
John C Dvorak: is actually on
the ISO list, okay, and it's the
ISO rat that tat just nice.
longtime
Adam Curry: listener started
longtime listener started
listening during COVID will not
that long. boots on the ground
report when it comes to the
explosions you guys always make
fun of when listening to a News
Package. They're called NAT
pops. Ie natural sounds na T P O
P s NAT pops are natural sounds
ie guns firing explosions jet
zooming by that are indeed used
to break up reporter track in a
news package. It's a strategy we
use to bring the viewer into the
story. In real life our world is
filled full of NAT pops. It's
supposed to draw the viewer in
at least that's the theory. It's
a lot less boring than just
hearing a reporter track a voice
all throughout the package.
Anybody who works editing video
in News knows this strategy. And
the bosses are always making
sure we use these not pops in
our storytelling. video editors
who don't use this strategy are
usually the sucky are ones also
in my humble opinion and
everybody else who edits video
not pops separate. Separate bad
or okay stories from great
stories. For anyone wondering
I'm a photojournalist for a news
company in Phoenix shoot, edit
and even write stories I work in
tandem with reporters and news
producers daily
John C Dvorak: There you go he's
he's in the business he's in the
Adam Curry: biz net but we've
never had a name for it not pop
no
John C Dvorak: we never did we
were well we never worked in
that field but reporting war
stories net POM that pops yeah
Adam Curry: not pops.
John C Dvorak: I like it. Good
so Okay, now we know and
Adam Curry: with that I'd like
to thank you for your currency
in the morning to you the man
who put the sea in the chain of
argument ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the
other end one only Mr. John
John C Dvorak: Well, in the
morning do Mr. Adam curiosity in
the morning all ships and sea
boots on the ground feed near
subs in the water and all the
dames knights out there and in
the morning.
Adam Curry: Now we don't expect
a lot of trolls but let's see
there's a shortage of trolls
1316 That's probably the worst
Have you ever had
John C Dvorak: 1316 is the
lowest for Thursday but this
Thursday? I don't remember doing
this count last Thanksgiving.
Adam Curry: No probably did not
And we'd like to remind
everybody we're working on
Thanksgiving.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So we
probably like Well, I figured
we'd lost to it. I've always
thought we'd lose 20% of the
audience on these holidays,
though, and we're sure
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
And more than 20%, probably. And
now back in the day, I remember
many, many a Thanksgiving, when
you would need to pause the show
to baste your turkey.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, we're
having to Turkey tomorrow. Oh,
of course. Of course.
Adam Curry: The Devorah acts.
Yes. We have Christmas in
January. Is giving on Friday.
Okay. Why is it whoa, because
Mimi has come as Mimi coming
down.
John C Dvorak: No,
Adam Curry: she's not coming.
John C Dvorak: Not this time
while she's busy setting up the
Kindle. Oh,
Adam Curry: this by the way is
this is Mimi have too many
eggs.com? Yeah,
John C Dvorak: too many eggs.com
Get some Christmas gifts while
you're at it. She is in the
kennel
Adam Curry: during the hey, you
know, you got to be careful with
the kennel.
John C Dvorak: You know about 30
Very busy tomorrow because of
the holiday.
Adam Curry: Oh, I wouldn't be so
sure.
John C Dvorak: We are all that
we know all about it. We know
all about the disease. And
there's certain things we will
do with this candle that no
other candles will do. Like dogs
can't share a ball.
Adam Curry: Well, so I just want
so you obviously know but we
didn't play any clips that
there's a mysterious dog illness
John C Dvorak: on the loose.
Yeah, the dog virus new dog
virus. I'm
Adam Curry: waiting for mRNA
shot for your dog. That's what
I'm waiting for.
John C Dvorak: It's obviously
that's what's coming.
Adam Curry: It must be so it's
no ball sharing that that's the
ball sharing,
John C Dvorak: you know water
bowl sharing.
Adam Curry: No coughing each
other. Do you make the dogs wear
masks? You'd have to wear a
mask. All wear
John C Dvorak: masks to get
masks definitely come in.
Adam Curry: If you want to be a
troll, you can of course join
us. You can join us early on
show days. Darren O'Neill does
the rock'n'roll pre show you can
go to
John C Dvorak: and by the way,
Jack White stinks. And you know
that that last play was Jack
White and it was just a
cacophony of it was a mess. It
was not musical by any means.
Jack
Adam Curry: White is a weird
dude to man. He's weird. He's a
weird guy. He's just weird. You
ever met him? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: I wouldn't have
no no opportunity to meet him
that I can think of
Adam Curry: weird dude.
Successful though. He's he's
he's pretty certain that he's
tz. Yeah, well, and that's not
that's not necessarily a given.
But he's parlayed that pretty
well as his own place where he
gigs and gotten pretty good to
meet him. Oh, my God. So long
ago. I don't remember. I've met
everybody. You name it. Name it
them Tchaikovsky met him.
John C Dvorak: George W. Bush.
Adam Curry: No, but
John C Dvorak: I did Donald
Trump.
Adam Curry: Hey, I should have
met him by now. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: you should have
been I feel that you know,
support for him is out the
window.
Adam Curry: Lost my vote. He can
go sit there with the with Bobby
The up. I'm Big Mike 2024. Baby.
That's where I'm going. You can
become a troll by going to troll
room.io. I did meet Stephen
Hawking. Yes, I did. Stephen
Hawking. I met him remember
that? No, no. Yes. I was in a
restaurant in Los Angeles. And
he was at the table next to me
and he had all these hot nurses.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he always
had
Adam Curry: a wrench. Yes. Babel
Rama. A baby got him over here.
You can become a troll by going
to troll room.io where you can
log in, you can start posting
right away. Or, and also, of
course, we have the stream
there. No agenda stream.com.
It's 24/7. As always a cool
podcast rolling. A lot of them
are live these days. And if not,
then it's still fun to troll
along with your fellow trolls.
You can get a modern podcast
app, go to podcast apps.com. A
number of them have the live
feature. And a curio caster
actually is if you don't even
need an app for that. It's a
website and you can that has the
chat room right in there and
have been trolled along and do
everything. These are these are
great apps. And you'll want that
because when this show updates,
those apps know within 90
seconds No more waiting around
for Apple to finally figure Oh,
there's a new new podcast No,
you know right away the magic of
pod ping. The value for value
proposition is what we started
just about 16 years ago, and it
has kept us on the air and kept
us being able to continue to
deconstruct media for you twice
a week didn't we actually didn't
at some point we do three shows
that weak for maybe a
John C Dvorak: couple of weeks.
Never.
Adam Curry: I thought, Well, we
came we
John C Dvorak: came threatening
it. We came close. Like it was
like a running gag. Yeah. And
then we never did it. I
Adam Curry: thought we tried it
once and was no no, that doesn't
work. No,
John C Dvorak: we did something
else. It was like we did a, I
think one of our 200 She went
over our bonus shows or
something that was going to be
used for something else. And we
did it in the same during the
week when we did the other shows
and we realized we it's too much
work. Yeah, three Shows a week
Adam Curry: is actual work. I
mean, people like you just Yep.
And it's like it's a it's not
just a job. It's a lifestyle.
It's a lifestyle. I mean,
literally, here we are on
Thanksgiving. The minute we're
done, I have to jump in the
shower, get ready, and I have 30
minutes to get to the
Thanksgiving dinner that that
we've been invited to. Where are
you going? The international
arms dealer.
John C Dvorak: We should always
take your USA International
House of Pancakes. A great
Thanksgiving dinner there.
Adam Curry: Now the
international arms dealer is
great that his wife is moms for
Liberty leader so it'll be
lively.
John C Dvorak: I might have so
with food be good. Oh, she
Adam Curry: isn't out she is top
notch. She's a
John C Dvorak: go there all the
time. What we do? A lot.
Adam Curry: My wife is a good
cook. I'm a good cook. But But
Andreea she, she her
presentation is above anything
we could achieve. She got great
presentation. He has great soft
skills. Yeah, no, she's good.
She's really good. And I'm
bringing a Dutch dessert which
is called spec cook. People
should take note of this spec
cook SPE K Koe K spec Cook,
which was sent to me by a
producer and he make it no I'm
going to tell everybody I did
though. Please, Chad made way
you do it. I've made it. This is
what I used to do with stuffing.
I make stovetop and people would
love it. Oh, this is great
stuffing. Of course it is I
slaved over it's a family
recipe. Just stove top is the
best
John C Dvorak: stovetop. So what
is spec cook?
Adam Curry: Well look it up.
It's it's a multi layered cake.
And you usually cut it into
small pieces. small slices. No
more than a centimeter thick.
And it has just layers of like
soft cookie type substance. You
know like syrup maple syrupy
type taste in there. It's it's
sweet. Look it up spec Cook. I'm
John C Dvorak: looking at it
right now. Okay, and what do you
1000 layer cake. It's called.
Oh,
Adam Curry: okay, we called spec
cook. 1000.
John C Dvorak: Spec cook. 1000
layer cake mobile app is
Adam Curry: legit that takes
that's Chad GPT who just made
that? Oh, am
John C Dvorak: I looking at Jet
TPP
Adam Curry: it's a colonizer
John C Dvorak: go there's a
green version? Yes. Yep, there's
Adam Curry: green versions.
Yeah, this is the brown make the
green.
John C Dvorak: Is this the green
version?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
haven't cut into it. I don't
green could be on the inside.
That could be you have a green
layer on the inside. It's it's
very tasty. Very rich. It's very
people go that's rich. Very well
layered
John C Dvorak: spice cake spice
cake out. This extremely
harmonious blend of eastern and
western flavors. Yes. Indonesian
it's yeah all the good cooking
in in Holland is famed Indonesia
Indonesian
Adam Curry: influences Correct?
Yeah, thank you for reminding me
I cannot This is has Indonesian
influences. You can I pick this
up when I lived in Holland. I
picked up the art of spec cook
you know some people call it
1000 layer cake.
John C Dvorak: There's no
There's no way I'm looking at
this cake I'm saying there's no
way you're gonna cook this
Nobody that I know will make
this cake as little layers
Adam Curry: that's me baby I so
many layers I slaved over it. I
want people to
John C Dvorak: really believes
this story is there they have to
have something wrong with them.
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
We are in the hill country. So
we appreciate time talent
treasure. That's that's what we
love getting from people. And
the way that works is look, you
got the show. You're hanging
around. Hey, wow, these guys
gave me some value some value
tainment and then they gave that
to me for free. I could just
listen to whenever I wanted to.
There's there's no subscription
fee, there was no
advertisements. There was no
Patreon no levels, didn't have
to do no paywall where you get
the premium
John C Dvorak: content or bonus
content at all. All premium
called 100%. Black every all the
content be premium. It was the
rest of its crap.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Well, of
course the stuff that you get
for free is going to be crap.
Our stuff is Primo. It's a one
steak sauce right up front. And
all we ask is it from time to
time like that was valuable to
me. Send us them value back
time, talent, treasure. We have
a lot of people who provide us
with time. Namie provides us
with time and talent. She does.
The meetup list we have Daniel
he does meet up. And no agenda
meetups.com page.
John C Dvorak: Yes. Which is a
lot of work. Yes.
Adam Curry: We have void zero
managing stuff. We have tons of
things we have. We have people
doing so much work posting
memes. I know agenda social.
Thank you for that value. That's
really highly appreciated. And
of course, I
John C Dvorak: like it and I'm,
Adam Curry: I'm sure you do. If
you don't know now I've given
up. I'm done. I'm not even gonna
I'm not even liking or boosting
anybody anymore. I'm
John C Dvorak: not ever had in
the past. I know. I
Adam Curry: boosted a lot. Not
anymore. I'm done. I know.
Because the minute I say
something, the minute I troll.
Hey, man, that's not cool, man.
Yeah, he was annoyed.
John C Dvorak: Just blocked him.
Oh,
Adam Curry: and so I blocked
this one guy. And here's what he
did. So he took the picture of
me holding up the PhD. And then
he put an Israeli flag on it and
it says no agendas, new sponsor.
I'm like, so I blocked him. But
like you're always telling me to
do yes, you should. And then
he's like, reaching out to me
through back channels. You know,
other places grow
John C Dvorak: him if he's gonna
be that kind of a douchebag.
Hey,
Adam Curry: man, you couldn't
take the ribbing? The ribbing?
John C Dvorak: That's not
ripping us insulting. Yes.
Adam Curry: Always. Eds has been
other insulting they use very
insulting if there's a
John C Dvorak: couple of guys
out there that are just nothing
more than do we insulting types?
Adam Curry: Clip Crestodina it
wasn't you
John C Dvorak: clip custodian.
He's like, I'm sorry.
Adam Curry: Anyway, so artists,
now the artists, the ones who
have been around know what we
like, and they really try very
hard. It's a competition but
it's also they're professional
artists. We we had Roger roundy
guy was top notch. He got a gig
when he left us. I mean, that's
that's how that's how important
these artists are.
John C Dvorak: He won once and
then that was the end.
Adam Curry: He was winning it.
He was winning and even thanked
us without because he went to,
you know, to make political, the
illustrations he learned on the
job doing it for us for free.
And then once he got a gig, he
said screw those guys are
working for free. And we still
love him. That's okay.
John C Dvorak: He's on the he's
very active on the new agenda.
Social. Yeah, not constantly
boosting stuff. And he's taking
pictures of himself at meetups.
He's taking pictures of himself
with his girlfriend. He's taking
life there and he's taking
pictures of himself here and
there. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, I'm glad I'm
glad he's able to do that. So we
of course want to thank the
artists who brought us the
artwork for the previous episode
1609 we've titled that one pain
sponge, one of our snappier
titles, and pet Rex brought us
the obvious AI generated art but
that was okay because it was an
AI generated Monster eating the
world. And it was okay. I'd say
it was a seven and a half on a
scale of one to 10 but there
really wasn't anything else we
looked at a number of things
trying to bring
John C Dvorak: pieces didn't
make any sense. Yeah, I'm not
sure with the AI artists is
sometimes doesn't make any
sense. It just looks good and
people like oh, it looks good.
Therefore, Darren Darren has got
a piece that was generated by AI
is pretty obvious for the girl
holding his sign say no to
genocide. I can barely read this
jet design. And he couldn't make
the sign any bigger
Adam Curry: and there's a lot
there's also a lot of stuff that
came in late
John C Dvorak: well those pieces
at the top came in late but that
wasn't going to change anything.
Now what was that all about? Ai
Adam Curry: so that Darren is
genocide Joe was the cute girl
cute little cartoon girl say no
to genocide Joe but yeah, he
just throws it into dolly and
says make it we discussed for a
while the network's Firestorm
which was kind of cool. The gas
mask fireman's helmet with the x
we discussed that one but then
John C Dvorak: the day Well,
I'll tell you a couple things we
discussed about one I said hey,
it's a good one. I picked it. I
said let's get this because
it'll pop your hand and you
notice that because it's a white
on a white background and then
you said it's not Yeah, it's on
a green bag and you said
greenish I think I said pink.
Okay, it's on a pink background
and as soon as you said that I
saw yes on a pink background.
It's not gonna pop that much. So
I don't know why I did that way
put
Adam Curry: it on a background
that has some off color. He
could have been a contender
networks and
John C Dvorak: you also did but
you didn't like the curry DeVore
egg on the axe heads.
Adam Curry: Well said no, I
didn't know on the AI Answer I
didn't like the curry Dvorak I
thought it was just a throwaway
there was no there was no love
put into our names there wasn't
look at it which one on the on
the part on the piece that one
creative work at the bottom? Yes
not this not there's no love.
That's
John C Dvorak: fine. That's what
you said. colorblindness came
into play that is a color
blindness color.
Adam Curry: And there was a lot
of Elon stuff which would
doesn't really funny. But tick
tock with babies. No, it was it
was there's
John C Dvorak: an AI piece at
the bottom by capitalist agenda.
That is so over the top AI is a
cute kind of piece but come on
people and I think we're doomed
we're not going to get anything
that's actually well done with
this is
Adam Curry: the problem with AI
is people get lazy that throws
like make a thing with a guy
with a television put in a
turkey. Put him there this
letter and go
John C Dvorak: pretty much it
Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can. You
know, it's funny. Because I had
my own AI here. Then you can
have a lot of fun with Michelle
Obama if he asked the art to do
the if you ask the AI to do
certain things,
John C Dvorak: but push it on
then no agenda social. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: I delete them right
away. It's so harmful. is bad as
bad as bad. Well, anyway, thank
you very much pet Rex for and
Patrick's has won a couple of
times. I think Rex had a couple
of wins in the past. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: A couple of
pieces twice before he's won.
He's got
Adam Curry: a style it's got a
nice style. And it was a pet Rex
Dutch did we figure
John C Dvorak: that out? Yes,
no, he's Yeah, he's Dutch we we
did figure that out as pet Rex
we have a lot of Dutch artists
for some reason. They know what
they're good at. Sorry, spec
cook. They may just make the
best call and make the make the
best spec
Adam Curry: cook in the world.
Thank you very much pet Rex, we
really appreciate that. And, and
thank you for that very
valuable. It's important,
particularly when we spread the
good news of a of a new episode
people like they just like it's
fun. It's fun. These are memes
you can use that I approve of.
That's how you should look at
it. Now let us thank the people
who brought us the final T of
the three T's the treasurer good
showing today short notes highly
appreciate it. It's really I
mean, the amount of people came
in, of course you let everybody
know what the PhD
John C Dvorak: wrapping. I'm
sorry. It's wrapping it's
wrapping.
Adam Curry: Yes, the PhD program
is ending. And I mean, that'll
be it. It's the 330/3 day of the
year which is this coming
Wednesday and then it's over. So
a lot of people got in on that
and we had yet again near the
end of the year. It's always
beautiful a nother show number
donation. This makes two in a
row. The Duke of Central Florida
from Winter Park came in with
1610 mind boggling we haven't
had show numbers, donations in a
long time. Also we get two in a
row. He says show number
donation from the Duke of
Central Florida. The Fibonacci
Duke There you go. Thanks,
Diego. Thanks for working on
Thanksgiving Day so we can enjoy
your deconstruction thanks for
the opportunity to gain a PhD no
jingles no karma. I love that.
Thank you so much. duco Central
Florida.
John C Dvorak: An interesting
PhD. came in later row after
discuss. Jason Adams is next on
this list was Smyrna, Georgia
111133 And he sent it oh he sent
a note to follow I didn't get to
note and Jay didn't get to know
it. So I'm looking to be read as
a make good I guess I know
eventually a note either, so I
guess we didn't get it. Got it.
Another note
Adam Curry: Rodney Lilly bridge
in Lewiston. 106 9.69
interesting PhD donation for
Rodney J. Lily bridge, aka air
sir JMO black Baron of North
Idaho. And that's it. These are
good. Thank you.
John C Dvorak: So contrast with
Robert Knutson, who wrote coin
kurta Lane title. Oh no. Yes. to
Idaho. Ian's to Idaho's Idaho's.
1033 And he sent a physical note
it with a check. My name is Rob
Knutson. Can Knutson kids
Knutson to his name is Rob
Knutson. I blew it recently ran
for city council in my town of
corte lane, corps Delaine, Idaho
before becoming a knight or
getting a PhD in media
deconstruction as a first time
candidate I received 1033 votes,
almost 10% of the vote, but
failed to make voters giddy
enough to win me a seat Maybe my
failed candidacy serve as a
warning to all the kids out
there who desire an elected
office. Please get knighted
first. And or buy it before
running for office.
Adam Curry: What a canard
John C Dvorak: you are a shoo in
for Mayor so he enclosed 1033 is
total vote count. Please note me
sir Bobby J the K. Norwegian
night of the quarterly quarter
Lane we requested jingle
consists of I was I was really
Blotto with an F 35 Scream
enhancement at the roundtable.
May I request a random can of
plain seltzer water from John's
secret stash not so secret.
Robert Knutson.
Adam Curry: Okay, the only thing
I didn't have Do we have any of
John's seltzer water? Is it just
the plain thing is that we were
drinking the plain plain seltzer
anybody
John C Dvorak: seltzer water,
ink. Okay,
Adam Curry: plain salts or
water. Okay. And yes, I think I
do have this request that you
have. I was really Blotto.
John C Dvorak: Never heard that
before. Remember it
Adam Curry: karma that's that's
me from Swamp Thing. Oh, it was
the it was the the line that I
argued with the producer and
writer over to no one says
Blotto in rock'n'roll.
John C Dvorak: No one says
Blotto anywhere
Adam Curry: and he's I think
he's a knight the writer but we
still disagree. Brian Teleki
Lincoln Nebraska. 1033 cents ITM
I could not resist this
opportunity to become Dr. Otter
of the freshwater with his Ph.
D. That's a good one. As a
trucker, I love listening to the
show while driving it gets me
around 200 miles down the road.
Oh, there you go. See? We're
good. We're good for something
we're good for 200 miles.
Sharpton medley chemtrails,
little girl yay. And the F 22
guys scream for relationship
karma. I'll do the F 35 guy if
you don't mind. He says thanks
for all you do. This is the
medley version.
Unknown: He's getting lunch at
Chipotle the tortoise in the
race. Kim Kardashian we Weaver?
ESP ICT they are all Jide ESP
ICT there's no real conference
exists we must we must test and
we will much about that
John C Dvorak: you've got karma
buenas Flores in Albuquerque,
New Mexico $1,000 and one penny
binary 33 You know that 1001 I
do know when I do binary 33 I
didn't know that. Oh, check it.
Thank you for all you do another
great note. Thank you for all
you do couldn't resist a PhD and
night and knighthood combo.
Adam Curry: Well, that was easy.
That was easy. Anonymous, with
1000 ITM Tech TV donation. Now
were you on Tech TV?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course.
Silicon spin was Tech TV.
Adam Curry: Oh, it didn't. Oh, I
didn't realize that was Tech TV.
Was that the only thing you did
on Tech TV.
John C Dvorak: I also ended up
doing long story by ended up
doing big thinkers for a couple
years. Oh, big thinker. So I got
to meet a lot of interesting
people.
Adam Curry: I bet Who were some
of the one was gonna be one
interesting person. One big
thinker. You're the guy
John C Dvorak: who invented the
cell phone was on that show.
What's his. Here's my favorite
one. He wasn't on the show. I
did but he was on Stan Lee
Stanley was on the show. I
talked to him for a while. J
jayate. I did have him on the
show. I guess. Everybody was
interesting. Oh, but here's the
kicker I had just slapped myself
in the head when I think of
this. Stanley is on the show.
Adam Curry: Explain who Stan Lee
is.
John C Dvorak: Stanley is the
guy that invented all the Marvel
Comics comic characters II that
are DC one of the trees to phase
Marvel. I think people in the
troll room know for sure, but
Stanley is very famous. So he's
on his show and he's just a nice
guy. He's kind of a goofball,
actually, and where was I'm?
He's there. Why didn't I buy a
handful like maybe high res
comic books and have them signed
have them sign him? Those comic
books is signed Stan Lee comic
book is worth one to $2,000 So
I'm just like basically let you
like $20,000 walk out the door
so
Adam Curry: like not buying
Bitcoin
John C Dvorak: at 25 cents 25
cents
Adam Curry: Yes. So you were
basically the OG Joe Rogan
you're in Joe Rogan show
John C Dvorak: with Joe Rogan.
He's got a longer show he's
different interview style. No, I
don't think so.
Adam Curry: And we move on back
to anonymous Thanks for working
through the holidays. You're
welcome. We do it with great
pleasure jingles. I got
information man. And fear is
freedom. I'd like to be knighted
sir geese mill of the Four
Corners demilitarized zone and
we shall make it so I've got
information man. New shit has
come to life. Freedom
Unknown: this world
John C Dvorak: you go. Terrell
Peterson comes in from Auburn
California, pleasant town just
north of Sacramento. $1,000
Happy Thanksgiving. She writes.
Thank you keep up the good work.
Jobs karma for everyone. Dame
named Dame mareel reeltastic
route reeltastic of the Sierra
foothills. Okay, jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs
John C Dvorak: are short. No.
Yes. They're all short.
Beautiful.
Adam Curry: Amy McDaniel.
BlackDiamond. Washington.
$1,000. John. Adam, thanks so
much for the entertaining
education you provide each week.
I look forward to each show and
I'm not disappointed. Thanks,
Amy McDaniel. Thank you, Amy.
John C Dvorak: Timothy McKay. In
Battle Creek, Michigan. Battle
Creek. Kellogg's. Gentlemen,
thank you for your courage and
kudos for working the holiday.
Please accept this reciprocation
of my treasured for your talent.
You may anoint me as sir
Cordwainer of your I'd like
grass fed ribeyes and rice as
racks besides Iraq why Ray says
Rachael Ray at the round table
no jiggles no karma Timothy
McKay Battle Creek Michigan.
Yes,
Adam Curry: we got the grass fed
grain finished for you out
that's okay. que que da we know
Q Q. Q Key West Florida 1000. If
I still qualify for the PhD,
then good. If not, you still
deserve this donation for all
the good things you do to change
the world. Wow, I that's a big
pretty big kudos, man. I don't
know if we changed Well,
John C Dvorak: if you change
your underwear, it's about it.
And I'm not even sure about him.
Kevin Steffensen muscle, muscle
muscle, muscle Shores, Alabama
shows, shows guest shows in the
morning and happy Thanksgiving.
He writes I've enjoyed and
learned a lot from John's
articles in PC Magazine back in
the day. Then I found this
podcast and I'm enjoying Adams
just as much you to brighten my
week. I was in K 12 education in
Alabama as a CTO for over 26
years and loved it. But when
COVID and online forced learning
forced us to give every child a
Chromebook and then support them
and the teachers at home day and
night. Essentially my health
took a downturn and I'll bet I
must say I took the early
retirement option and left the
best move I've made and now I
work for a private company
selling educational websites
also found out at least seven of
my peers across the state that I
know have had health issues at
the time due to the added stress
of incredible amounts of federal
funding for hardware software
but regulations that couldn't be
spent on additional salaries. I
remember this and CTOs are not
hourly workers like the
technicians we took the brunt of
it and many left we
Adam Curry: we talked about this
we talked about tech guys going
no we can't do this you you just
politicians you're like yeah,
come on. Chromebooks is good
learn at home. And they're like
we need you can't support all
this stuff. And teachers we're
getting angry at them. This
sucks it's not working fix it.
John C Dvorak: So yeah, this
poor guys Yeah, yeah, you get in
the middle your tech guy knows
best since I have more change in
my pocketbook now or my pocket
and I no longer want to be a
douche bag and so please de
douche. You've been de deuced we
should make me an instant I
didn't know agenda scholar for
my night name. I'd like to be
sir trs 80. I'll take Blanton's
and carrot cake at the round
table. And as for jingles, I'd
love John spooky donate and our
two day to karma Keep up the
great work Kevin in Muscle
Shoals Oza Alabama
Unknown: you've got
Adam Curry: karma you've got
karma we got sir Moscow bass
from Silver Spring Maryland with
1000 no notes I will give him a
double up karma as he deserves.
You've got
John C Dvorak: to take the next
one. Now take the next one. You
can take the long one. No, it's
not that long but okay, it's
shorter. Matthew Gebhardt 1000.
After all these years crown you
graduated with my PhD. Oh, this
is the one I noticed not the
one. The learning never stops.
Next, I'm enrolling into no
agenda Institute of theoretical
and applied podcasting where you
can help us open it could make a
positive difference in the
world. Keep up the great work.
Thank you.
Adam Curry: Lee North 1000 My
wife thinks I'm crazy. But I
couldn't pass up the chance for
a PhD and a credit for the
Thanksgiving Day special. I
guess my new title should be
barren sir. Dr. Goon thank you
for your courage as always jobs,
jobs, jobs and RTD to karma. Lee
North Kansas City Quito Fox 00
Bravo Echo Hotel, 70 threes
kilo, five alpha, Charlie,
Charlie, the weight your wife
thinks you're crazy for donating
getting a PhD but not for being
a ham. I supposed to be honest
about that. Well, I'm glad she
didn't protest too much. She's
obviously a fantastic woman
jobs,
John C Dvorak: jobs, jobs and
jobs. That's Volker jobs. You've
got karma. Kenny Demis Keaney or
Evgeny damask GYN in Boston,
Massachusetts, is I think this
is the first day of Guinea that
we've ever had to great name
$1,000 And he says, I want my
framed PhD where you're going to
get your PhD but it's not going
to get or sell yourself. It's
very carefully packed so I
wouldn't worry about that. Yeah,
Adam Curry: comes in in an
official envelope like a fold
open thing, just like while it
is a real PhD. It's
indistinguishable from one from
an institution like an asylum.
Sir Jim watts, Baron of
Whistler, Whistler BC I've been
to Whistler
John C Dvorak: okay, this is the
questionable this we'll have to
discuss is very questionable. I
Adam Curry: will read the note
and then we shall discuss 1000
Canadian in closed for a cut
rate PhD. We celebrated
Thanksgiving on October on
October they harvest celebration
up here I will stay with Baron
title as it has a nice ring jobs
karma please Jim watts, Baron of
Whistler. Now we didn't
necessarily say that you could
get a cut rate PhD now did we?
No.
John C Dvorak: No, but we didn't
say you couldn't.
Adam Curry: Now there's no
evidence we didn't say we
couldn't. So
John C Dvorak: I was very torn
when I saw the $733 donation for
the cut rate PhD Yeah, because
the Canadians we've always given
them full credit for Australia
and Australia and New Zealand
and Australians the two of them
and Zealanders if they anyone
listens and
Adam Curry: soon Argentinians
but
John C Dvorak: we won't get too
many listeners down there. So I
don't know what I mean is Yeah,
I can't not give it to him. But
is it we only have one week left
as any other Canadians who want
to come in for 733
Adam Curry: but I mean if anyone
if anyone argues with this I
think you should just go kick a
Canadian in the shins but I
think we should do it
John C Dvorak: yeah, because we
likely is only one more week
left in a promotion so that's
the end of it. All right.
Adam Curry: Well, here's your
jobs karma and congratulations
on your well deserved PhD jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs
Let's vote for jobs. Karma
John C Dvorak: Zachary Michael
in also in Canada, seven 30.3
Which probably adds up to the
right number to take for
everything you do I thought of a
few things to say but knowing
how much you to adore long notes
I will refrain from doing so and
deprive you of such
gratification. It goes on and
on. However in that handsome
millennial gals get however, as
a handsome millennial gals get
at me please tell me sir cow
1984 and look forward to my PhD
a second Canadian in the same
show that comes up with a basic
the same calculation how could
anyone pass up a chance to get
two birds stoned at once? For
jingles possibly play the medley
just take the vaccine at the end
of the show. Thanks again sir.
See a Canada sir Canada so
Adam Curry: I looked for this I
couldn't find medley for so
medley maybe means a supercut I
could not find a just take the
vaccine I mean there's not a
supercut of just take the
vaccine I don't remember it
either now so I couldn't be hurt
it someplace else. But we do
have a good end of show mix for
you and we appreciate your
support anonymous in Chicago
Illinois 34567 Very much
appreciate having something good
to listen to says anonymous
couple of submissions for you. I
had a friend in college who
exclaimed yep or Skipper for any
answers in the affirmative
sometimes shortening to yeppers
and for the weight loss drug
game Dyson die in thin or
something there abouts. A very
sincere thank you for your
courage PS It appears I
John C Dvorak: get it. What? Die
thin.
Adam Curry: Oh, die. Ha. Got it.
PS it appears Ice Age farmer has
gone silent. Adams mentioned
reminded me about him nothing
online for at least a year. I
hope he's okay. I don't know who
it is. Ice Age farmer. Yeah. We
played the clip of him
predicting that you know, the
big food shortages and I played
every year short and I played
every year hobby starved to
death.
John C Dvorak: So yes, he thanks
us for working on Thanksgiving
and we appreciate that.
Unknown: We're good with that.
John C Dvorak: Now we go with
the Aaron Sean prairie Ville,
Louisiana. Three Three
switcheroo I appreciate you all
so much especially since y'all
work on important holidays like
this one. This donation is for
my smokin hot husband. Sure Jew
claw All right, sir, towards
upping his peerage in the
future. I don't think I need any
jingles. We barely need to jobs
karma for something I'm trying
to accomplish with my business
in the near future. Gotta get my
mom out of my house karma. Oh,
lol I know there isn't one of
those since her house caught
fire two foot point five months
ago and she's been living with a
sense of finding a new house and
this market is not proving to be
very easy. And lastly, I'd like
to mention the upcoming no eight
Yeah, no, a no agenda meetup in
southern Louisiana that we're
hosting on Friday, December 1.
Adam Curry: That'll get your mom
out of the house bring a bunch
of no agenda people in
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think
that's about it. We'll do it. I
should call out a few douchebags
I know at the upcoming meetup
but I'll keep them anonymous for
now. Thanks Aaron Shaw, Dame
Mary moon
Adam Curry: and because of that,
we'll give you a TPP jobs karma
jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. Jobs,
job karma. Let us know if it
works. Aaron Brzezinski and
Atewa Tennessee 333 dot 33 If
you're in El Paso area, stop by
downrange brewery. See Gabe and
his wife for the best beer and
the best people in town. John
and Adam thank you for the
greatest podcast in the
universe. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you
John C Dvorak: sir Ronald
Gardner is San Diego California.
Three Three is also sir wrong to
33 ITM gents wanted to express
our gratitude and thanks for the
work you do to make no agenda
the best podcast in the universe
especially during the holidays
where you continue to work and
we slack off. Thank you ever so
much. This donation will make me
a Viking on please change my
title to Sir Ronald Gardner via
account of insane Diego and
surrounding waters we would like
some house selling moving karma
as we try to escape from the
Socialist Republic of
California. Happy Thanksgiving
and many blessings to you and
your families and to all the
Knights and Dames out there stay
safe cheers, sir wrong 33
Adam Curry: You've got karma.
And coming in from Amsterdam sir
Pete's sir pates are Pete's PPP
tu tu tu tu tu rove ducks itMs
repeat here. I love the show.
Even better lately. He's been
around for a long time. Thank
you. Here's a sack of ducks in
return. Could you grace my
fellow producers and myself with
some jobs karma. Love is lit.
And he says oh, he wants a
jingle requests. He has a
healthy diet, which I think is
the healthy news diet. F 35 goat
karma so we'll combine that with
your jobs requests. You wake
Unknown: up with the blues.
Jennifer, your dangerous news.
There's one thing you must
remember no agenda and moanin
or a healthy balanced news diet.
Try no agenda show.com jobs,
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote
for jobs. Karma
John C Dvorak: Paul Crowe
Schulich in Binghamton, New
York. Two, two 2.22 another road
ducks. Paul from Bing Bing
Hampton New York Bing Bing into
now we always say Binghamton,
but it's being ham eaten? No
jingles? No Carmen, thank you.
Adam Curry: And then we have oh
yes, one of these is always the
Joker's Shawn in Stafford,
Virginia 212 at pay J and A
after three plus years of
listening glad to no longer be a
douchebag here's my 212 ad. My
most recent pay raise brought me
to 4333 I can't deny the pod
father anymore after that number
came my way thanks for working
Thanksgiving really It means a
lot to get quality content on
the holiday I will be listening
for the fat lady to sing at 2pm
while making while milking
milking my holiday double time
and has a very known sequence
Trump I'm going to come Kamala
don't come Joe whole load and a
Howard Dean screen. I'm gonna
come. I'm going to give you the
whole load. Did you go never
heard that one.
John C Dvorak: Here, Eric Adler
in Punta Gorda, Florida thought
it was time to donate when I was
giving a frequency change to Jax
at 133 Point 33 He's a pilot
well at 33,000 feet is upon
banks MorphOS
Adam Curry: that's pretty cool.
If that really is possible.
There's 130 3.3 frequency for
Jackson for Jacksonville.
Jacksonville now
John C Dvorak: finishes up with
Linda lo pagkain. in Lakewood,
Colorado. Jobs karma for resume
search that gets results go to
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gets results go to Image makers
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That's image makers Inc iMk with
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stream continues thankful for
you guys are street canal is
amazing. Yeah, I know she's a
staredown so I want to say that
Eric, ours Joe in Stockholm,
Sweden that came in at one nine
9.99 is really a $200 donation
and that happens to be just
exchange rates.
Adam Curry: Okay, so he is
definitely on the list for he's
got
John C Dvorak: no note
associated. Recognize him and
let's give him a double up
karma. No, wow.
Adam Curry: Moved up No.
Perfect. Karma. Well, we of
course think our executive and
associated executive producers
and congratulate our PhDs. Our
new PhDs will actually have a
little ceremony for you in a
moment. This this is ending
though. And Sunday will be the
last time no Wednesday the 333rd
day of the year last day, you
can pick that up. Thank you so
much. We this makes me feel good
about working on the holiday. I
hope it makes you feel good. The
value has been exchanged. It is
highly appreciated. We have a
lot more people to thank who
supported us today. John is
gonna take us through the 50s
John C Dvorak: We'll starting
with Patricia Lewis and Merced
California 16667 She actually
sent a little note in it's uh, I
think she sent the guard Yeah,
she sent a card. She says
Thanks, John. And and she's cute
card. She got good at you know
what? She looks it looks like
Tina's handwriting.
Adam Curry: Ah, yeah. Tina says
a little less. balloony
John C Dvorak: anonymous in
Calgary, Ella she came into
16667 Anonymous in Calgary,
Alberta. 121 some baby making
karma give you that at the end
Don Malley in Fremont,
California. 113 in field 100
Rachel Pillet kowski no amount.
She's in Portage, Wisconsin. She
says don't say the amount. So we
won't. But it's funny where it's
located on the list she
Adam Curry: wants to be deduced.
John C Dvorak: You've been de
deuced William gherkin and
Centennial Colorado. Happy
Thanksgiving. Joseph solino in
East Syracuse, New York. 100.
Steven Rivas in Rowland Heights
California 100. Dame twin mama
inator. Incoming Georgia 100 and
other Happy Thanksgiving Brian
Lillard and prosper Texas. 888.
Jack Schofield, our field in
yankeetown, Florida. Looks like
he's going to be a night and I
think this is a note you have to
read because of it. Yes,
Adam Curry: because having
completed 20 monthly payments
for knighthood. Let's do a
switcheroo for my lovely life's
lovely wife Susie, who has
managed to take 51 trips around
the sun with me Yes, we had a
few fights 51 years together. Oh
wow. Please name her Dame Suzie
boot scooter of the nature
coast. What is that name all
about? No jingles no karma. We
have been blessed. No
specialfare Just half portions
at the round table and please do
doo dee doo. I will renew and
continue to fill my contract of
monthly donations and until I do
so will remain a douche is
keeping a promise and fulfilling
a contract is very important.
Love them boobs. Yes. Susie's
birthday is less than 24. Please
put on the birthday, Liz. She's
on there, Jack Schofield. John.
It's phonetically Schofield. You
got it. Love you guys. ITM Love
you too. And we look forward to
welcoming soon Jason
John C Dvorak: Maurer in
Vancouver, Washington. 808. And
so it's Jack's by those eight
oh, wait. And then we get to
Kevin McLaughlin are Archduke of
Luna lover of American boobs in
Concord, North Carolina with 808
with a commentary. Did you know
boobs are approved men can focus
on two things at once.
Adam Curry: That's a good. I
like that.
John C Dvorak: That's a good
observation. Yeah, it's
observations just sure line man
and Illinois. 808. Thanks for
working on the holiday Joseph
whitish in Miami. of Miami,
California is what it says. does
have a note. Does it say on
here? No. Miami, Florida. It was
misinterpreted. Miami, Florida
7777. Gregory kiradech In
Padova, Italy, hey, patois. Hey,
and he says, are you happy
Thanksgiving. Thank you, Kate
Smith and Leonard town,
Maryland. 7272. Sir Rick, in
early days, actually now he's
bearing Rick, I think in
Arlington, Washington, not 6996
We have to now get it in our
mindset. It's barren Rick, Josh
Magnuson and Kyle, Texas. 6969.
Was
Adam Curry: he was yeah, it was
at the Austin meetup donation.
John C Dvorak: Sure, doctor, sir
becoming heroic in Schererville,
Indiana 6886 which he calls
jiggly boobs. Scott, Brian to
look at that and figure that
out. Scott Riley in Meridian,
Idaho. 66 Cameron Linga in North
Branch Minnesotan at 6010. errs
Kevin McLaughlin again with 606
small boobs. Ladies, are you
living your best life? Oh, he's
inserted upon into
Adam Curry: this. He's, hey,
he's still there. We love you.
Yes.
John C Dvorak: Astonishing. Tim
Freeman in Placerville,
California, 606 and other
aficionado Matthew LRH in
Weatherford, Texas. 606 Ryan
Smith in Raleigh, North Carolina
606 Matthew Martin como New
South Wales, Australia. 60. Sir,
not Jake and Thompson,
Connecticut 5678 Sir Edward of
the henpecked in Omaha, Nebraska
at 555 Paul Webb in Twickenham
Middlesex UK to defy 55
Adam Curry: He says Happy
Thanksgiving gents. Don't worry.
Everyone in the UK is working
today as well. While that's
true,
John C Dvorak: Stephen said
they're getting ready for Black
Friday. Stephen Smith and
maynardville Tennessee 5510.
Barron Henry of the outpost
Weston Rancho Palos Verdes days
California five to four to Alan
Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa. 5042
Jordan, Jordan Brown and
Centerville Ohio 5033 is we're
getting to the 50s fours Martin
505 Andrew Ben's in Missouri
505. And now we get the $50
donors. And we'll wrap this
thing up starting with Robert
case and mill spring North
Carolina Matt Killingsworth.
Illingworth in Montclair, New
Jersey, Julian Robbins in Aptos.
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well, amazingly, there are a
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Unknown: With all the dates and
days, you will be triggered. You
want to be
Adam Curry: like alright, I only
have two ISOs so I'll I'll just
go first with my ISIS. Here's
the first one. Yeah, okay.
Here's the second one. Don't
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John C Dvorak: this acuity. I
could not resist. Okay, I've got
for all of them pretty decent.
Be SBS is top one. Bullshit.
Unknown: It's all bullshit.
Anyway,
Adam Curry: who is this? I
recognize that bullshit. Trump.
John C Dvorak: Trump. Yeah. Then
we have a classic bye bye. Oh,
Adam Curry: I don't like the
ending but okay.
John C Dvorak: And then we have
the sound effect, which I
appreciate it. Yes. Good Ending
for Thanksgiving show. And I
think this is probably the best
one which is Thank God. Thank
God it's over. Yeah. Okay,
Adam Curry: I'm with you on that
one. I'm ready. That's it. Good.
We'll take that now. It's time
Unknown: for Google. JCD
John C Dvorak: All right. I do
have a good news.
Adam Curry: Of course you have a
good news clip because it's your
beat and you need to do it
John C Dvorak: well, this is a
unfortunately is a long clip and
then a fight has little follow
kicker good news. Good news.
Good
Adam Curry: news clip can never
be can never get too much good
news. Well,
John C Dvorak: this is good news
for people with alopecia.
Unknown: And now to a story that
is positively San Diego a
student at a well PR Lady of
Peace in North Park has just won
the highest Girl Scout honor
called the gold award and it's
for her dedication, leadership
and commitment to making a
difference in her community.
ABC reporter Perla Shaheen joins
us now live from North Park
pearly had a chance to talk to
this young woman about her
struggle with alopecia and how
she's turning all of it into a
positive. Jared
we met right here at the Academy
of Our Lady of Peace. This is
her high school. And let me tell
you sitting in front of a 17
year old who was so well spoken,
and so accomplished was
extremely impressive. And this
tote bag that I'm carrying is
just one part of her mission to
spread awareness around
alopecia. It's a disease that
causes sudden and severe hair
loss. At 14 years old Gabriella
caminos started losing large
patches of hair on her scalp,
losing my hair my thick hair was
scary to me no had just started
high school at Our Lady of Peace
near University Heights. Doctors
assumed the sudden bolding was
correlated to stress it takes a
toll on your mental health your
self confidence you feel very
alone finally in May of 2021
Samina was diagnosed with
alopecia areata, she turned to
scout troop for support, but no
one understood the disease
looking
through the photos online and
there were only pictures of
middle aged men with bald spots
in their beards or their heads
but didn't really feel
represented this project
alopecia tote bag so Samina
decided to use her Girl Scout
Gold Award project as an
opportunity to raise awareness
of the disease. She started a
Health and Wellness Fair at her
school, giving women the
opportunity to donate their
hair, and she created tote bags
filled with educational
pamphlets and books that
students could pick up to learn
more about alopecia.
Each of those tote bags were put
into every school in the Diocese
of San Diego.
Her work was so profound, the
Girl Scouts recognized her with
the gold award. It's their
highest honor and only a
shortlist of members are
awarded. Wow.
Adam Curry: I mean, not just
good news but good news with a
tote bag. And did you ever
second part to this good news.
Oh,
John C Dvorak: second part.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is fans.
How did you feel when
Unknown: you had earned it?
It was definitely fulfillment, a
lot of accomplishment, a lot of
gratitude that I actually
experienced everything. I turned
a negative into a positive and I
would never go back
in just a week. Gabby is going
to start her senior year here at
Our Lady of Peace and she plans
to continue this work in
college. And then she will join
the gold award ceremony for the
Girl Scouts next year. Live in
North Park Perla Shaheen, ABC 10
News.
Adam Curry: Wow. Well, John, I
can only say you've just you've
outdone yourself good news and a
tote bag.
Unknown: A good news story from
JC Edie had the vibes for you
and me and we all feel better
now. He's done his bit. Back to
reality. That's turning to shit.
Adam Curry: Sir Chris Wilson, he
lives and we love him for it.
Alright, affiliates, we're at
three hours. 33 minutes and 33
seconds. How about that,
John C Dvorak: huh? Too long,
Adam Curry: too long. Well, it's
what it is. It's a special
Thanksgiving episode. Special
Show special show just for
y'all. Coming up next the no
agenda stream as you continue to
hang out here. I'm sure since
who wants to hang out with the
relatives? Oh, it's episode 65
of carrying the keeper. Which
was podcast and just last night
fresh. Fresh off the grill. And
the show mixes DS laughs or
Michael Anthony. We got Danny
loosen sir Starkweather we thank
them very much. We thank all of
you. Thank you trolls for being
here in the chat room. Have a
happy Thanksgiving coming to you
from the heart of the Texas Hill
Country in the morning
everybody. I'm Adam curry in
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where it's
actually hot and hazy for some
reason today. I'm Jhansi Dvorak.
We
Adam Curry: look forward to
being right back here with you
on Sunday. We hope you will join
us remember connectionist
protection and don't eat too
much Turkey, your turkeys. until
Sunday, remember us at the
vorak.org/na Adios mofos a hui
Hui, and such so far no good.
John C Dvorak: But again, we're
so far ahead of the game on this
deconstruction stuff that we
think could be months from now
does happen
Unknown: and spotting lies let
me give you some clues non
pertinent information I mean, it
puts you in the shoes
masquerading as the news stories
amplified given to the public
but think about it who's to
choose information war
supplements and so much more on
short next in line young Alex
Jones analyses when time 60 days
on trumped up charges so then
I'm calling you all out. Pigs in
human swine law enforcement what
their lives easier eating donuts
over pounding the pavement. It's
not evil, but it is tastier. A
funny statement nonetheless.
very unpopular. Left amongst our
base yes Global Citizen and
never made sense to me. You can
only live your life as a private
entity can we all agree
collectivism over your
individuality is a hell of a
schism. What makes the show
special when loser drone drifts
the Monday's produces put away
the phone preferably in a drawer
what do we now have in store
PhDs in media deconstruction
that means so much more. That
goes to no agenda store? No
watching that you the bomb, I
could just go on and on. Tab
never wrap up the news. Wrap up
the news that coming up and up
the song.
Happy Thanksgiving in New York
City as your base base into last
time he went on a holiday in
turkey and ham while I am in
tofurkey and yams and enjoy your
meat why you can we already had
meatless Mondays in school vegan
Fridays and we're going to keep
trying to make all your plant
base but if you're still going
to eat meat, the FDA just
approved lab grown chicken for
human consumption and if you're
still not satisfied with that
recall make only crickets and
cockroaches like I say enjoy
that you're gonna be eating rats
symptomatic transmission has
never been to the driver of
outbreaks. The driver of
outbreaks is always symptomatic
person who models in the 90s are
quite clear and 66 sided facts
we keep having six out of the 60
see bewildered slow but a that
was the worst answer he's ever
given for any question sick
person. An epidemic is not
driven by asymptomatic care
carriers Superbad we record
these things Yeah, we keep the
website
alerted. So we sort of had to
discover it on our own. way
language is suddenly fast.
Side effects team of scholars on
staging gas cans will slow down
the mouse mouse and
flu is over the
winter is coming to is
one was called Atlantic storm
and the other one was called
Dark Winter Dark Winter darkest
Adam Curry: and worst days of
this pandemic, unfortunately,
are ahead of us not
Unknown: dark winter more. Look
at it. Go through all the
processes and by the way, we're
about to go into a dark winter.
The recent Dark Winter exercise.
Adam Curry: It's a very dark
moment.
Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/and
Thank God it's over.