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John C Dvorak: I love pop up
bagels.
Adam Curry: Adam curry Jhansi
Devora November 30 2023. This
Year Award winning elimination
media assassination episode
1612. This is no agenda,
celebrating our HDS and
broadcasting live from the heart
of the country here and FEMA.
Reason number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry here from
John C Dvorak: Northern Silicon
Valley where we're saying rip
Henry Kissinger. That means it's
the end of the Adrenochrome
shortage. I'm John C. Dvorak,
raglan.
Adam Curry: Bushkill Are you
telling me that Kissinger was
hoarding the Adrenochrome? But
John C Dvorak: this guy must
have been using most of it? Most
of the world's supply? Well,
Adam Curry: well, that I did not
expect from you but I'm all in
on it. Gets. You know, when you
think about it, the great reset.
I keep saying you know, the
queen is gone. Kissinger is
gone. Charlie Munger is gone.
The Pope is sick. We're almost
at the great reset.
John C Dvorak: Huh? Yeah, well,
I think those guys are all
responsible for so maybe the
great reset won't happen.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, the a
great reset, maybe not the one
they're expecting. Maybe not
that one. I have to ask you a
quick question. Right off the
bat. We were at a at a dinner.
And I met a guy and
John C Dvorak: who knows you
don't shouldn't give me your
money.
Adam Curry: Who is a who was a
huge donor and alum of UC
Berkeley. Okay. And he's about
your age. And he was you know,
big in the sports and donated
tons of money and he no longer
donates. I'm not giving any more
to those nut jobs. I say by any
chance. Do you know John C.
Dvorak? Oh, of course I do.
John C Dvorak: Bill, Bart. Bill,
Bart. Yeah.
Adam Curry: b r dT. He's a wine
guy. He's into sailing.
John C Dvorak: I may have met a
guy named Bill Bart. Well, he
was like, he never shows up. He
never calls you never right.
Adam Curry: Well, surprise,
surprise. Next time I see him
say hey, man, John's all pissed
off. You never ride you never
show up. You never called never
write. You never come to the
alumni meetings.
John C Dvorak: It was just it
was one of the I actually know
they used to solicit me
constantly. And then I've my
original thing was, it's if
you're a Cal graduate you,
you've learned how to tell
people not know. But it's a
Sunday teacher. And so I used to
say, well, you know, the problem
is, Earl Anthony produced this
building and gave it to the
university. And it had to be for
all for the end of time and had
to be used for a humor magazine.
And we used to house the
California pelican. And then out
of the blue, I don't know the
80s or something. They just took
the building and turned it into
something else. And they stole
the building from this guy who
donated it because of the guys
long dead. So they don't care.
They do this all the time. All
of universities do it. I mean,
they take people's names off and
things as you know, no, yeah.
And so that that kind of almost
worked, but it didn't quite work
until they call one year and
then I haven't heard since I
have not heard one call sense.
Do they call they said we should
you know, alumni. We need money.
Yeah. Do you
Adam Curry: think they've heard
our show? Maybe like, off the
list? And you said what
John C Dvorak: I said, Well, I
lose looking at the money that
Cal is donating politically, and
they gave $1 million to the
Barack Obama campaign. If you
can give that kind of money
away. You don't need my money.
And they never called sense.
Surprise,
Adam Curry: surprise. Who would
have thunk? Yeah, the bill,
Billy, I think, isn't it? He
called? He said, Yeah, you know,
the last time it was there, you
know, they needed new new
uniforms for the volleyball
team. I gave him cash and said,
Don, I'm not going to put it
into the coffers. You'll never
get it appears cash.
John C Dvorak: I'll be true. I
was probably true. Yeah. I says
right. Have you heard our show?
Adam Curry: We always accept
cash. Cash
John C Dvorak: is good. Cash.
But we did weed but checks are
easier to account for money
flying around.
Adam Curry: So just like we got
kind of like an early warning
from Richard Haass about
Ukraine, and Russia, about that
winding down. I think I may have
not it's not quite to that
level, but I have a signal that
I don't know if, if it's been
discussed that much. But CBS has
this new reporter intelligence
reporter who is complete spook
You know, she's got that spook
face. She's blond, long blonde
hair. She has a very hard time
looking straight ahead at the
person she's talking to. So she
keeps looking down with the
John C Dvorak: CEO. That's yeah,
Chris do that too.
Adam Curry: Okay, let me mark
that one. I can't remember,
John, I can't remember. But
you're probably right. And I
mean, she's just a total spook,
and I have never seen her
before. Maybe you have. She's on
CBS. And she brings us the news
that our director of CIA is now
getting directly involved in the
hostage negotiations, which to
me means one of two things or
possibly both. The Biden
administration has pulled the
ripcord like this has got to
stop because the genocide Joe
thing is out of control, a
totally out of control. And
possibly that CIA is responsible
for all Malays around the world.
And that then the CIA controls
all of this crap. But
John C Dvorak: you know, the
whole on the CIA not wanting
Biden to come back might be
behind genocide. Joe,
Adam Curry: there you go. Well,
let's listen to how can you
imagine that you're so right, at
least one section of the CIA?
Well, let's listen to this
because there's a couple of
interesting little tidbits in
this. And you know, I typically
wouldn't start off at the the
top of the show with the Israel
Hamas conflict, but this just
came in this morning like this.
I got to talk to John about it.
CBS News,
Unknown: Intelligence and
National Security reporter
Olivia Gaza's joins us now.
Sure.
Well, there's lots of moving
parts here, Nancy, but
broadening the pool of hostages
eligible for release is one of
the key components that the US
and burns is pushing for here.
Specifically, that means
extending and future agreements,
the eligibility to men and
soldiers, which make up some, if
not most of the American
hostages that continue to be
held by Hamas.
Adam Curry: Okay, right off the
bat men and soldiers, which is
most of the hostages held by
Hamas? Soldiers, our soldiers,
men, are these agents. Are these
advisors? What do you think this
is? I think the change in the
narrative sounds like you know,
all the women are out now, I
guess, according to the spook
lady. It's a
Unknown: tough sell. Hamas has
not shown any indication that
it's open to this kind of
arrangement in previous talks.
But one of the bargaining chips
on the table we're told is
Israel may boost the ratio of
Palestinian prisoners that it's
releasing in order to secure
more hostages. So thus far, the
ratio had been three to one or
150 for the 50 hostages that
have come out to date. And we
could see that ratio boosted and
Hamas has favor in order to
control the release of these
more tightly held hostages,
including men and soldiers. And
this this,
Adam Curry: it's all weird. You
know, we upped the ratio from
three to one. And doesn't this
sound like some kind of
important guy exchange that is
going on here? And Who are all
these Palestinian detainees that
Israel has?
John C Dvorak: So that's the
ones the same women and children
that they grabbed from the West
Bank and elsewhere who threw a
rock at a soldier and they threw
him in jail. Okay,
Unknown: including men and
soldiers. That's
really interesting, because
right now, the ceasefire is
supposed to lift on Thursday
morning, why send the CIA
director to negotiation?
It's a great question. Oh.
Now I know she's a spook for
sure. Thursday morning, why send
the CIA director to run point on
this negotiation?
It's a great question. I mean,
Bill Burns has been deployed by
this administration. Behind the
Scenes
Adam Curry: boy, he's been
deployed as a sort of behind the
Unknown: scenes Goshi ating
utility knife and some of the
utility knife. He's
John C Dvorak: like a Swiss army
knife. Goshi ating utility
knife. Yes, that's what that's
what you're
Unknown: sort of behind the
scenes on negotiating utility
knife and some of the thorniest
geopolitical scenarios are
Adam Curry: going to use the
corkscrew irlam or the tweezers?
I mean, which you know, or is it
a Leatherman that also has a
vise you put on the nuts
Unknown: is that it's confronted
thus far. So he dealt with the
Taliban has the US left
Afghanistan? Well, that was well
done good work to warn Vladimir
Putin ahead of the invasion of
Ukraine. Another good one, he
worked on thawing frozen
relations with Beijing in the
aftermath of that spy balloon
incident.
Adam Curry: Why, wow, this guy
is quite the record.
Unknown: So he's really been
working behind the scenes. And
now he you know, he has been
he's a veteran, diplomat. He's
got a wealth of contacts. He's
got a lot of gravitas in the
region. Robert, he's now got the
added benefit as an intelligence
chief of working behind the
scenes in relative obscurity,
which some of these really tough
deals require in order to break
through. He's also meeting with
counterparts from Israel and
Egypt, who similarly have a lot
of influence and clout in their
respective countries and
regions. And so that's why
there's hope that this group of
stakeholders in again, relative
obscurity can make some real
headway here. And he's got deep
ties in Israel as well. That's
right. Yes. And dealing with the
Mossad director that he knows
very well is an added bonus
here.
John C Dvorak: What's his name?
Adam Curry: Who the Mossad
director?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. I don't
know. They say they just Mossad
director. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And MD Mossad
director, he has gravitas in the
region.
John C Dvorak: Gravity's Nisha,
go clean it up.
Adam Curry: So I think some
signals gone out. And Bibi is
not a part of this. And in fact,
Bibi has sunk so low, he went on
Mark Levin show on Fox,
Unknown: go Mark Levin, go ahead
and say it that great
Adam Curry: one and said the
following.
Unknown: We're destroying their
infrastructure, their command
poles, their rockets, their
underground tunnels, and we're
going to win, because we have to
win. This is a battle of the
forces of civilization against
the forces of barbarism. And if
barbarism wins in our part of
the world, Europe will be next
and America will be next.
Because the axis of of terror of
Iran, comas, Bala husband
booties and their minions
imperiled.
Adam Curry: The Houthis and the
other minions are the minions
now part of the access of
terrorists and
Unknown: their other minions
will imperil the Middle East and
then spread their barbarism to
the entire world. Israel is
fighting our war, but it's also
fighting America's war. It's
your war. And our victory will
be your victory. Yeah, let's
Adam Curry: draw the line there.
Bibi. Let's draw the line there.
But you're not fighting our war.
Now for him to go on. Live in to
say that I think he's lost all
gravitas in the region.
John C Dvorak: Was it living
radio or TV show? Fox Fox Fox?
It was a weekend show. Lavinia
has two shows on the weekend. I
don't think
Adam Curry: a lot of people
watch that. No, nobody watches.
Fox. No, nobody's watching Fox
at all. So something is changing
here. And you know, and this is
pretty desperate of him to say
this and that you saved the
Houthis and their minions Come
on. The Houthis are gonna now
attack us.
John C Dvorak: And I find
something sketchy, sketchy.
Adam Curry: And then, of course,
we need to up the propaganda
everywhere. TRT Turkish Radio
Television love those guys.
They've got a new one.
Unknown: The Israeli army is
being accused of organ theft and
Palestine guys. Report by the
urine med human rights monitor
expressed concern over
allegations that the Israeli
army confiscated dozens of
bodies from Al Shifa and the
Indonesian Hospital in northern
Gaza, as well as from the safe
corridor Israel had implemented
and subsequently targeted. The
report suggests that the Israeli
army took Palestinian bodies
from a masquerade and one of
Alisha FOSS court guards, a
claim backed by the Director
General of the health ministry
in Gaza linear al Bush, you're
amid monitor says suspicions of
Oregon Tech were based on
evidence cited by medical
professionals in Al Shabaab.
This included claims of missing
cochlea and corneas as well as
other vital organs like you
can't
Adam Curry: I know happen a
little bit about here and eyes.
You can take someone who's been
under the ground or some even
good story more than a few hours
old, you've got to immediately
grab
John C Dvorak: that you'd be
brand new, but now
Unknown: livers kidneys and
hearts
Adam Curry: and livers and
kidneys and hearts and toenails
is also said
Unknown: that the claims cannot
be proven or disproven solely by
medical examination. Patients
underwent surgery before their
death allegations that the
Israeli army still corpses
during a seizure of the medical
complex have been reported by
several other outlets. However,
this is not the first time
Israel has been accused of
Oregon's theft.
Adam Curry: Yes, beautiful. So
to counter that, now the view
getting we got to counter the
narrative this we've got to
confuse everybody. We've got you
know, and we'll get to him in a
moment. Obviously, we've sent
Elon out to distract from
everything he loved the Jew
hater. But the view steps it up
a little bit gives a little
gravitas in the region to the
Israelis.
Unknown: I am still devastated.
We're two months since this war
has been underway by the silence
from women's group in this
country about the rape being
used as an act of war. And this
attack the fact that sexual
violence was used against
Israeli women in the major
women's groups in this country
have not come out and denounced
it this week and Sheryl Sandberg
put out a gripping video we're
calling for it that violates
every rule of law of warfare. It
is the height of immorality and
the fact that the United Nations
and entity for gender equality
and women's empowerment has been
silent. The UN Committee on
Elimination of Discrimination
Against Women has been silent in
the international Mewtwo
movement. Now
Adam Curry: it's no good just no
good. It's no good. Everybody's
all bald trying to move it away
John C Dvorak: from the Sheryl
Sandberg clip. She goes on and
on. I didn't
Adam Curry: see it. I didn't see
it. I would have enjoyed. Yeah,
it was.
John C Dvorak: Gosh, there's two
things I don't have which I
should have gotten one I did
have I don't know why you didn't
post it but is the Oakland City
Council going nuts? Oh, I don't
know why the city council's do
this. But they're going to pass
an anti Hamas resolution with
the we hate Hamas. Like like
they're in Oakland.
Adam Curry: Just everywhere.
John C Dvorak: Every idiot in
the in the Bay Area comes to the
city council meeting wearing the
scarf, the Palestinians scarf
and screaming at the City
Council.
Unknown: Good for you. Good for
you, Kathy. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: this whole thing
is a scam and in the IDF shot
those Israelis the IDF and they
blamed the whole thing is a
giant conspiracy. You're being
suckered into it one person
after another and all wearing
masks, of course.
Adam Curry: Kifah Yeah. And
masks, and that's perfect.
John C Dvorak: Perfect. So it's
kind of nuts. It's very funny,
though. So
Adam Curry: then, and I'm
really, I really have to jack
Hughes, Ilan. I really think
that this was so well timed by
him to go to Israel trounce
around, you know, I'm so sorry.
I made a mistake. And I mean,
he's just been fantastic clips
of Elon, we just have to play
some of this. Because, well,
first of all, it solidifies my
prediction, he will ruin
Twitter, that's for sure. It
won't be the same. But first, an
ABC report that kind of
summarizes it all
Unknown: this morning, Elon Musk
is apologizing for endorsing an
anti semitic conspiracy theory
on his social media platform X.
That might be literally the
worst and dumbest post that I've
ever done. Speaking
to The New York Times, the
world's richest man had a
message for the companies who
pulled ads from his platform,
telling them don't advertise and
using an expletive, multiple
times to emphasize this point.
You
don't want them to ever to know.
What do you mean, if somebody's
gonna try to blackmail me with
advertising blackmail me with
money?
My face mounting criticism after
he agreed with the user on X,
who falsely claimed Jewish
people are stoking hatred
against white people. Musk
saying the user was saying the
actual truth. amid the fallout,
Musk visited Israel.
Adam Curry: That is, by the way,
is it complete
mischaracterization of what
happened but I guess Musk is all
very extensively three shows ago
mischaracterization of what what
the tweet was about what he
said. But that is irrelevant,
because Musk is the
John C Dvorak: truth is that it
is the truth is in the eye of
the beholder.
Unknown: Okay, exactly the
actual truth. amid the fallout,
Musk visited Israel touring a
village where dozens of people
were killed on October 7. Israel
is independent of of it wasn't
something like apology tour,
the controversy could reportedly
No,
Adam Curry: Joe told me to go
we're gonna stop the genocide.
Joseph wasn't apology to work
cos
Unknown: x up to $75 million in
loss ad revenue. By the end
Adam Curry: did she say 75
million should be 75 billion,
shouldn't it be 75 million
that's nothing 75
Unknown: Change it is million
dollars in loss ad revenue by
the end of the year. Actually
what what this advertising
boycott is is going to do it's
going to kill a company.
They're gonna say Elon that you
killed the company because you
said these things and that they
were inappropriate things. And
they didn't feel comfortable on
the platform. Right.
And let's see how Earth responds
to that.
The long awaited Tesla's
cybertruck Today well, four
years after a prototype was
unveiled, its distinct look
drawing mixed reactions. Its so
called armored glass proving to
be anything but boy. Man, many
experts say the polarizing
Adam Curry: I know they went
straight into this that taken
him down.
John C Dvorak: That's a
chickenshit situation. Oh, it's
beautiful.
Adam Curry: This is hilarious.
He doesn't cares clarius
Unknown: Many experts say the
polarizing vehicle could be
another dent in the company's
bottom line. electric vehicle
sales have stalled in the US and
Consumer Reports found EVs have
79% more reliability problems
than gas cars so
Adam Curry: this will help so
we'll get to that because that's
funny by itself. So the not only
is I think the entire war being
blamed on on Elon but also the
decline of EVs is being blamed.
Everything is his fault.
Everything is elands fault now.
So I had to pull three clips
from from This interview that he
did at the New York Times deal
book Summit, you know, gleefully
covered by CNBC. Because
everyone, especially the CNBC
people, Andrew Ross Sorkin is
now analyzing Elon and I'm just
gonna stick by my prediction
like he doesn't care about
advertisers. He wants everybody
to stay engaged stay on the
platform until he turns it into
a bank. That's that right
John C Dvorak: on. I agree with
that. That's
Adam Curry: what he's doing. So
here's how that rolled out with
Andrew Ross Sorkin on stage with
a little less bleeping than ABC
did what was that trip
Unknown: like? And obviously by
the way, did
Adam Curry: you see the flak
jacket he had on walking around?
It was like a baby flak jacket.
It only covered his chest his to
his midriff, I mean, his whole
stomach and, and groin was
exposed. There was like, you
might as well not have one.
John C Dvorak: Okay, you think
you have something a little more
like even a catcher's?
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that's,
that's what you want. But no,
no, he had just like, a little
little breastplate. Very odd.
Unknown: What was that trip?
Like? And obviously, you know
that there's a public perception
that you're clarifying this now.
But there was a public
perception that that was part of
a apology tour, if you will.
This had been said online. There
was all of the criticism that
was advertisers, leaving we
talked about why
you don't advertise? You
don't want them to advertise?
What do you mean?
If somebody's gonna try to
blackmail me with advertising,
blackmail means money. yourself.
But go yourself? Is that clear?
I hope it is. Hey, Bob, you're
in the audience?
Well, let me ask you, then.
That's how I feel. Advertise,
actually, what what this
advertising boycott is, is going
to do, it's going to kill the
company. And you see, and the
whole world will know that those
advertisers killed the company,
and we will document it in great
detail.
Adam Curry: Before we continue
with this clip, so he's saying
the whole world will know that
they killed the company. I mean,
the first thing that came to my
mind is perfect. declare
bankruptcy. He buys it out of
bankruptcy turns it into a bank.
Is that pot in the within the
realm of possibility?
John C Dvorak: No, I don't think
he's gonna go that far. I don't
think so. It's just an idle
threat. Because nothing's going
to it. Everyone knows that the
military industrial complex, and
the intelligence agencies and
they need us the platform,
Adam Curry: they need Twitter,
they knew they need that and
they need
John C Dvorak: Twitter and it's
not going to get killed. But
it's like it's a it's kind of a
roundabout threat to the, to
Disney and others that hey, if
you kill the company, somebody's
gonna kill you. Yeah, I think
that's a good analysis. Yeah. An
offhanded way, ya know,
Adam Curry: so then he goes on.
Unknown: But there are those
advertisers, I imagine are gonna
say, they're gonna say we didn't
kill the company to Earth. To
say that they're gonna say,
Adam Curry: I love the grandiose
tele to Earth, man, I'm going to
use that. Hey, macho Earth, the
kids you use that? You took the
cookies from the cookie jar? Oh,
yeah. Tell it to Earth
Unknown: on that you kill the
company because you said these
things. And they were
inappropriate things. And they
didn't feel comfortable on the
platform. Right.
And let's see how both responds
to that.
Okay, this goes back to I love
Adam Curry: Andrew Ross Sorkin,
who's taking this all seriously?
John C Dvorak: Zero sense of
humor hero, New York Times guy?
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. All right.
Unknown: Okay, this, this goes
back
to a bit, we'll both make our
cases. And we'll see what the
outcome is. What
are the economics of that for
you, you have enormous
resources. So you can actually
keep this company going for a
very long time, would you keep
it going for a long time, if
there was no advertising
company fails, because of
advertiser boycott, it will fail
because of an advertiser
boycott. And that will be what
bankrupted the company. And
that's what everybody will know.
What do you think then? Trust
them, then I'll be gone.
And it'll be gone because of an
advertiser boycott.
But you recognize that? Wow,
Adam Curry: I think you're
right. He is really signaling
like, Oh, really, really? You
guys want to kill this valuable
asset valuable to my true
customers, the military
industrial complex, and the US
government really? Really, you
know, watch you guys get a
little call from the White
House. I think that's what do
you say? I think you're right
about that.
Unknown: But you recognize that
some of those people are gonna
say that they didn't feel
comfortable on the platform. And
I wonder I just wonder and ask
you and since Think about that,
for $1 to the judge, the judge
is going to be judges, the
public, the
Adam Curry: judges the public as
beautiful. This is hilarious. So
then I'm going to, then I'm
gonna have to play these other
two clips before I can get to
the best part, which is Andrew
Ross Sorkin doing an analysis
later of Elon. So now it gets
into AI, which of course, you
might as well put that in there.
And Eli, go, Elon goes off the
rails with this is great. One of
Unknown: the things about
training on data has been this
idea that you're not going to
train or these things are not
being trained on people's
copyrighted information.
Historically, that's been the
concept. Yeah, that's a huge
lie. Say that again?
Because these these airs are all
trained on copyrighted data,
obviously.
So you think it's a lie? When
when open AI says that this is
not none of these guys get their
training on copyright? That's a
lie. It's a lie.
straight up lie. Okay.
Obviously, it's been trained on
proper data. Okay, so
Adam Curry: he does, he does the
best evil guy laughs I've ever
heard. This is phenomenally
good. And Ross Sorkin doesn't
even say anything about it.
Unknown: Obviously, it's been
trained on perforated data,
which is old.
And he keeps going, he's a cat.
Which is all the people who have
been uploading, or whatever. And
all the people have been
uploading articles, the best
quotes from different articles,
videos, to x, all of that can be
trained on. And effectively now
you have this remarkable
repository. And I wonder what
you how you think about that
again, and how you think the
creative community and those who
were the original IP owners
should think about that.
I don't know except to say that
the by the time these lawsuits
have decided we'll have digital
God.
Adam Curry: So yeah, there you
go. We'll have digital God. Yes.
Unknown: Digital God at that
point, digital God,
John C Dvorak: you know, did
erupt here. Sure. There's an
there's an argument that can be
made when you have that thrown
at you that I'm surprised musk
and others haven't used as the
following. Okay, so I'm a
writer. And I want to write my
first novel. So I read all of
Hemingway. I read every thing
he's ever written every art news
article, I read all his novels
because I want to get that
style. I want to have Hemingway
I want to have that kind of that
natty style. I want it. So I
read all this stuff. And then I
produce a novel what's the
difference?
Adam Curry: It doesn't matter
because by the time the lawsuits
are settled, there will be
digital, there'll be a digital
god what's your problem?
John C Dvorak: It just it just
seems to me that argument can be
used against the argument that
oh, it's all these copyrights
Yes, everything in the world you
know you what if you just put
run it off as Shakespeare it's
not cabas public domain now,
what if you just use public
domain once copyrighted
material? This is bullcrap. This
is not a good argument against
AI. The good argument it says
bullcrap it doesn't work very
well. That's the argument.
Adam Curry: Well, I actually cut
out like a minute of Andrew Ross
Sorkin pining on about as a
creator, as a Creator.
John C Dvorak: The Creator beat
anyone steal his material?
Because it's so dynamite.
Unknown: To say that the by the
time these lawsuits have decided
we'll have digital God. So
John C Dvorak: digital God at
that point. Yeah, that's a
flippant answer.
Adam Curry: No, it's very
flippant, and it's pretty wrong.
These
Unknown: lawsuits won't be
decided before, on a timeframe
that is relevant.
Adam Curry: Okay, not before
timeframe is relevant. And then
now, now Elon is going to wrap
it home because remember, he's
the guy that started open AI and
was, you know, shouting the
loudest, the loudest about the
dangers of AI eating the world?
And you know, Sam Altman screwed
him over. And they turn to
commercial and Elon has kept
saying no, no, no, no, no, no
regulation. We need regulation.
One of the smartest people in
the world. No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no. And he's
changed his tune.
Unknown: Is that a good thing or
a bad thing?
I think we live you know,
there's that.
Adam Curry: I, you know, I gotta
practice. My ILA. You know,
John C Dvorak: I gotta get my
mash ups.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry.
John C Dvorak: I shouldn't get
it. I've got to get some of
these Ilan moments so I can do
it. Another one of my mash ups
who are it's just Elon never
saying anything.
Adam Curry: He actually never
does say anything. It's just the
complicated speak of Silicon
Valley geniuses. like Sam
Backman freed me, Sam Altman
Elon Musk. Give me a break
people we live. You know,
there's
Unknown: that. I don't know if
it's actually real Chinese
anyone not, but maybe live in
interesting times, right?
There's apparently not a good
thing. But I would prefer to.
Adam Curry: And he's looking up
at the whole time it is digital
God, again, not a good thing.
Unknown: But I would prefer to
personally, I would prefer to
live in interesting times. And
we live in the most interesting
of times.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you're
breaking copyright.
Unknown: For a while, I was like
really getting demotivated and
losing sleep over sort of the
threat of AI danger. Finally
sort of became fatalistic about
it and said, Well, okay, even if
I knew it was annihilation was
certain. Would I choose to be
alive at that time or not? And I
probably would choose to be
alive at that time, because it's
the most interesting thing, even
if there's nothing I can do
about it.
Adam Curry: So let's just get
district. So he went, he went
from warning everybody helping
get an executive order, which is
not law. But there's laws being
written all over the world, to
make sure that only the biggest
incumbents can be the true. The
true gods of AI, which really
means
John C Dvorak: much money to be
made for just any old schlep,
which go out there and do well,
Adam Curry: which really means
only Google and Amazon and
Google and big companies will be
allowed to create your LLM 's
your your data models and their
cells. They're all selling
horsepower. That's all they're
doing. They're all selling
John C Dvorak: microscopes,
yours compute cycles.
Adam Curry: So all of that's now
over. And now I've given in I
was losing sleep, and I figured,
you know what, screw the world.
So then,
Unknown: basically, a sort of a
fatalistic resignation helped me
sleep at night because I was
having trouble sleeping at night
because of AI danger. Okay,
Adam Curry: so Elon has decided
that the world can go to hell in
a handbasket, so that he can
sleep at night.
John C Dvorak: By the way, the
whole day he's full. This is a
lie. Of course. No way. He
wasn't sleeping well at night.
Adam Curry: Really? No, wait
until we get to the analysis. 50
more seconds on this one helped
Unknown: me sleep at night
because I was having trouble
sleeping at night because of AI
danger. Oh, show what to do
about it. I mean, I've been the
biggest one banging the drum the
hardest, by far the longest. Or
the one of longest on for AI
danger. And these regulatory
things that are happening 80s
Adam Curry: No, wait, wait,
let's listen to this last bit.
I'm sorry.
Unknown: And these regulatory
things that are happening? The
single biggest reason that
happening is because of me. Ah,
Adam Curry: it all because of
me. I put it all in place. I
believe that because those
numbnuts in Washington, DC like
Oh, Elon says, AI danger. Yeah,
danger. We got to make him sleep
well at night. Let's put some
executive orders in place. So
then Andrew Ross Sorkin, the
most boring guy in the world
goes on NBC Today show to talk
about his extraordinary because
Elon Musk used the F word. And
oh, yes. We had to bleep it out.
It's so bad for children. But
you know, Andrew Ross Sorkin I
mean, keep that this is you are
now news journalist is the news.
Let's bring in the man of the
hour see and lead that
conversation. The man of
John C Dvorak: the hour here was
talking to journalists.
Unknown: The man of the hour at
the New York Times steelbook
Summit. Hello, Andrew. So I
mean, what did you make of that
you've covered Elon Musk a long
time. Here he is in the middle
of this fire. Advertisers
fleeing his company X formerly
known as Twitter. Thanks for
reminding us. And then he has
some he does not mince words.
It was fascinating. I was
speechless when he made those
remarks weren't gone viral. I do
encourage people to see the
whole thing because in many
ways, I think you got to see the
full Elon Musk, I think you saw
that Elon Musk is many people.
You can see the design and sort
of Steve Jobs version of Elon
Musk, you can see almost a
demonic version of Elon Musk.
And the idea is the question is
Can people hold all of these
ideas in their head? And can
they be in the same person? What
was so interesting to me was he
kept saying, I don't care if I
am loved, or I'm hated. But what
I kept trying to get back to was
he didn't say
Adam Curry: that. He didn't say
that at all. I watched the whole
thing. He didn't say that. He
said, I don't care if you
advertise but okay, what I
Unknown: kept trying to get back
to was, do you care about being
trusted? Because ultimately, the
advertisers need to trust you.
The folks who Gotta get in your
vehicles need to trust you,
government that's paying for
SpaceX putting these rockets
need to trust you. And we we
were trying to grapple with
that. And he was trying to
grapple with that. He
Adam Curry: was trying to
grapple with that, that didn't
hear that in
John C Dvorak: any of the clips
you played and or what I heard
when I listened to parts of it,
but it's
Adam Curry: also you would say
he was graphic in this, you
would say he was grappling with
that not he was trying to
grapple with it.
John C Dvorak: That's that's
what he was trying to do.
Adam Curry: Yeah, let's twice he
said it twice.
John C Dvorak: Let's face trying
to grapple next
Unknown: putting these rockets
need to trust you. And we were
trying to grapple with that. And
he was trying to grapple with
that.
Adam Curry: Trying to grapple
with that. What does the word
grapple even mean? Grapple.
John C Dvorak: grellus. Look it
up this reframe. Is the question
on our minds. Yes. Why was he
trying to grapple? Or was he
grappling? Well,
Adam Curry: if he was trying to
grapple he was trying to grip or
sees as in a wrestling match. Or
he was using a tool consisting
of several hooks for grasping
and holding, often thrown with a
rope, I think was either one of
those. So let's continue with
the next a genius analysis from
Andrew Ross Sorkin, where you
talked about demonic the demonic
Sagemont act about his
John C Dvorak: demonic demonic.
Adam Curry: What happened to the
digital God,
Unknown: we talked about demonic
the demonic side, he
talked about his own demons
like,
what did you glean about that
part
of him?
Adam Curry: Oh, get ready. He
talked about his demons. Look, I
Unknown: think a lot of what
drives him in very good ways and
bad ways is a childhood. I mean,
there was a moment where he was
almost crying during this
interview where you can really
see the demons that power a lot
of this and it was it sad. There
is a there is a depression under
it. Oh,
John C Dvorak: okay. I don't
want to
Adam Curry: analyze him. Yes.
John C Dvorak: I don't want I
was a psychoanalyst. And now,
yes,
Unknown: he is.
I don't want to I don't want to
say too much about and I can't
diagnose it myself. There is
something that is driving him. I
think it's in many ways it's
productive. And in other ways.
It's it's less productive,
called
Adam Curry: well done, Andrew.
Oh, that was riveting. That
analysis, right. He was almost
crying on my bench. I'm Andrew
Ross Sorkin.
Unknown: I mean, you know, we're
talking about the world's
richest man 20 to $25 billion
dollars and his contributions to
modern society are undeniable in
so many ways. To your point,
you've covered them for a long
time. How do you think it plays
out? I mean, how does this?
Where does this go for it from
here for Elon Musk? I mean, does
he take X does it get sold as
well? How do you know
he likes to say he doesn't care?
He was ready to he cares. He
cares a lot. You can see it you
can physically see how much he
cares. So he says he
Adam Curry: doesn't care. But if
he does care, I can see it. I'm
Andrew Ross Sorkin.
Unknown: I think look,
John C Dvorak: I think you're
saying look, wait, I think I
think look,
Adam Curry: this is good. I
think look, is that a show
title? I think look, I think
look,
John C Dvorak: what I think mate
might be
Unknown: cares. He cares a lot.
You can see it, you can
physically see how much he
cares. So I think look, I think
you're gonna see great and
amazing things happen along the
way.
Adam Curry: Well, hold on a
second, the future telehealth,
Andrew Ross, I'm from the
future. I'm Andrew Ross Sorkin
great things are coming. I tell
you just pay attention to me,
Andrew Ross Sorkin
Unknown: I think you're gonna
see great and amazing things
happen along the way. And I also
imagine you're going to see
other things like and maybe x
will ultimately fail. I don't
know. But I think he's going to
try his hard to get this thing.
In a way. It's the
worst of it. I mean, he has
recent, you know, I mean, x, it
either succeeds it doesn't
succeed, you're talking about
somebody who has an enormous
influence in global affairs,
including things such as the war
in Ukraine, because it's his
satellite system, you can turn
on or turn off. And that's
Adam Curry: that rubric. This
was my favorite. They keep doing
that even though he sold that
into you know, what is it the
military version, which stays on
wherever the US military wants
it on, please are able to fight
Unknown: I'm talking but we
talked about that the power that
he has the leverage that he has
ever it's interesting, because
he he has all that leverage in
these physical systems that he
owns, but he doesn't have that
leverage in, in Twitter in Acts
it's a different it's a
different business. But the
other thing I was just gonna say
that was so interesting to me
about it was was human. You
know, there's this little that
page in US magazine says they're
just like us, no matter how much
money you have, what your
business title on your business
card. There are these feelings
that people have and they're
complicated, and I think being
able to see that we often don't
have that opportunity so
fascinating.
Adam Curry: So I'm the best this
you want to see feelings. Watch
me I'm Andrew Ross Sorkin what a
douchebag. Yeah, no, but it was
very entertaining. Just I mean,
that's the best kind of
entertainment is when the people
on stage don't realize how
entertaining they are. And this
whole Starlink thing that seems
that probably have been the main
reason for Elon to go into
Israel for another sale.
Unknown: Now, Elon Musk also
control Starlink, which is an
internet satellite service,
which makes him a key player in
any conflict on this earth. He
wanted to provide the service to
aid organizations in Gaza. The
Israeli government wasn't happy
saying that Hamas would use it
for terrorist activities today
and Israeli Government Minister
posted that they had reached an
understanding that Starlink
would only be used in Israel and
Gaza with the approval of the
Israeli government. We have not
yet confirmed that
Adam Curry: there you go sales
call.
John C Dvorak: Yes, what was
your sales call? Call?
Adam Curry: Hello, ma'am. Hey,
you know, these my I have a
customer over here in Gaza. And
they get a lot of money in
Qatar. So you want a defense
link? What is it? Isn't it
called defense link? What is it
called? Star link military
version? It's something else on
defense link. It's Star Shield.
John C Dvorak: Star Shield,
Adam Curry: Star Shield. That's
what it's called. Star Shield.
It's a sales gonna
John C Dvorak: go in there on an
apology tour is going to he
would go on a sales call.
Exactly. Right. It's a kind of a
shaggy dog story you told but
you're welcome. You're welcome.
Essentially what you did there.
Well done. Oh, thank you. Thank
you for talking about the Jews,
Israelis. The rest of us did at
least get a couple of my clips
out of the way. I didn't do too
much about that. I do have the
update for the the hostage
thing. Whatever the hell's going
on, it might be worth playing.
But first let's play Chuck
Schumer. Oh, Chucky,
Adam Curry: Chucky, what is
Chuck? He's
John C Dvorak: talking about uh,
you know, he's concerned about,
you know, all the Jew hate
that's going on in the United
States because of the
Palestinian problem. Protesters
which are organized by some
radicals of various sorts, left
and right. It's a problem. And
now, which is again in
previously I would say Chuck
Schumer would be responsible for
the encouragement of these
folks. But now that they've
turned out to be Jew haters.
Adam Curry: This is no good
Unknown: a five alarm fire that
must be extinguished. A Senate
Majority Leader Chuck Schumer
warning the nation of a
dangerous rise in anti semitism.
Lawmakers are now investigating
possible anti semitism at
America's top universities.
Adam Curry: I love her they keep
going after the universities
it's your Black Lives Matter
crew bro. It's who you activated
during Trump that's who it is
Unknown: entities Aryan past arm
has the story.
I feel compelled to speak
because I'm the highest ranking
Jewish elected official in
America.
King of the Jews, Senate
Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on
Wednesday addressing the rise in
anti semitism in the US. I
couldn't
Adam Curry: resist I'm sorry.
That nobody said it's literally
what he's not literally but
that's what he's saying.
Unknown: In the two weeks after
the attacks by Hamas, the anti
Defamation League reports and
almost 400% increase in anti
semitic incidents over the same
period last year. Schumer says
he sees a stark contrast in the
ways Jewish and non Jewish
people react to that increase to
us.
The Jewish people, the rise of
anti semitism is a crisis. A
five alarm fire no, that must be
extinguished
Adam Curry: five alarm
Unknown: or he says that's
because many American Jews have
family members who suffered
persecution firsthand. And
they're now worried that history
is repeating itself. The
majority leader also said anti
Israel protesters often argue
that Israel displaced 700,000
Palestinians. But he said those
same people never talk about the
600,000 Jews who are displaced
from Arab countries. Schumer
concluded with three appeals to
the American people learn the
history of the Jewish people
reject anti semitic double
standards, and understand why
Jews defend Israel. At the same
time lawmakers in the house are
investigating Harvard, the MIT
and the University of
Pennsylvania. Wow, that's over
allegations of anti semitism on
their campuses. Because of that
the presidents of those three
schools will testify before a
House committee on a
congressional hearing next week.
Oh,
goody, goody,
Adam Curry: yeah, we get Jew
hate in Congress. This is gonna
be fun. It's gonna be great. So
Harvard and MIT now to the Oh
man, this is this. Oh, wow. Oh,
this is
John C Dvorak: going to have
this clip. And I got one more
which is the University of
California they're going.
Unknown: At the same time the
Department of Education is
opening an investigation into
Harvard. That's to find out
whether Harvard failed to
respond to a letter harassment
of students based on their
national origin. However, the
office made clear that it has so
far found no evidence of
wrongdoing.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And remember,
the Department of Education is
also a human rights division of
the government. Yeah, they're
John C Dvorak: quite hilarious.
I don't know what these schools
are going to do because they
were the ones. They're the ones
who created the situation at the
behest of the Democrat party.
Yes. Let's be honest about it.
And the whole thing is now
backfired on him.
Adam Curry: It's, it's like it
is. It's Biblical. It's so good.
John C Dvorak: It's hilarious
because UC Berkeley sued This is
the said the end of the day,
there was a lead into this, but
let's go right into the clip.
Unknown: UC Berkeley and the UC
system are accused of letting
anti semitism go unchecked on
Jewish advocacy organizations
allege that student groups
prohibit speakers who support a
Jewish state, and TDs David Lam
speaks with the attorney who's
suing the university Ken mark
is chairman of the Louis D.
Brandeis center and former
assistant secretary of education
for civil rights. Thank you for
joining us. Your nonprofit
organization is suing UC
Berkeley and the UC system,
claiming that it has long
standing unchecked anti semitism
on campus. So how did this
start?
We take no pleasure in bringing
the lawsuit, we would prefer
that they simply comply with
their legal requirements. This
lawsuit is about the failure of
the University of California to
address anti semitism on its
campus, certainly over the last
a year and a half. Hold
Adam Curry: on a second, I need
to ask a question. This being
the United States of America,
where we have a First Amendment
is anti semitism is that illegal
in America? anti semitic speech.
John C Dvorak: Don't s insofar
as speech is concerned that it
may not be illegal that based on
the First Amendment, but that's
but these schools are signed on
to certain provisions, you know,
certain standards that they have
to follow. And one of them is
don't be, you know,
Adam Curry: not bigoted not be
against Joe. I'm
John C Dvorak: not be bigoted,
but but the thing that Cal
they've keep isolating in these
statements is that there's some
there's a Zionist one or two
Zionist organizations on the
campus, you know, when they have
meetings and give speeches, they
will lead them. And so that is
like,
Adam Curry: that's exclusionary,
and that and that seclusion
there. And that goes, okay. All
right, that I got you. Okay. But
as just a small aside, when it
was Milo, when it was Ben
Shapiro, or whoever wanted to go
speak at a at a university
campus, and they were forbidden
to do that. We didn't hear
John C Dvorak: this part of
this. By the way, I think this
guy when he says, a long
standing history, I think that
will be included. Oh,
interesting, because the miles
and Shapiro thing, and I think
there was a couple other people,
Coulter, Coulter. There too, and
they were shattered, rounded off
the campus and to burn down part
of the ASU C building. And in
the process, I think it's mostly
the outsiders, but it's beside
the point. They have this issue,
and they have to solve it. And
so they're getting sued. Hey,
Unknown: yeah, certainly over
the last a year and a half,
starting with the decision by
nine, nine student organizations
to exclude Zinus from speaking
on any topic whatsoever before
their organization.
And I understand that you
receive many complaints from
students. So what are the
students saying,
we're hearing from students
around the country Jewish
students are afraid now because
they are feeling such an immense
amount of hate since the Hamas
atrocities of October 7. Now
think about that. In the wake of
these atrocities in which Jewish
Israelis were tortured, burned
alive, in some cases rate
murdered their court, in the
wake of that, a groundswell of
support for their perpetrators.
The Berkeley situation is in one
sense, typical or representative
of what we're hearing all around
the country, but it is also one
of the worst. One
John C Dvorak: of the worst
we're number
Adam Curry: one finger number
one baby this kind of reminds me
this this whole first amendment
bit went with a friend of mine
went to visit the Pacific War
Museum. He's been here for eight
years has never been I said,
that's an outrage. You gotta go
it's a great museum, because
Admiral Nimitz is from
Fredericksburg, Texas, and they
have a great I mean, it's a very
detailed Nimitz was some
Frederick's Yeah, he's a famous
son. He's the famous son of
Fredericksburg. Wow. So they
have the Nimitz Museum, the
Pacific War Museum. And you
know, my grandfather Renwick
Eugene Curry was Lieutenant
Commander and bass commander at
Quadra Alene in the Marshall
Islands. So it was it was and
they have a whole martial line.
This isn't so much we don't do
when you think about World War
Two I think is Hitler Jews,
Hiroshima, boom, that's it.
There was a lot more going on
and a lot more and something
that really and they did a good
job of this at the exhibit is
there was a term that I think it
was President Roosevelt is that
right thing was Roosevelt. And
it was loose lips sink ships.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, loose lips
sink ships is a lot of posters
you can get that have that
saying, well,
Adam Curry: there were
restrictions on speech. At that
time, you were there were
absolute restrictions placed by
the government on speech and
it's just, it kind of hit me
like how easy we are, you know,
especially when you see Rosie
the Riveter man, all this whole
this incredible nationalistic,
Patriot patriotic propaganda,
how people how easily people
give up their right to free
speech. The ends this is it's
bound to happen over and over
and over again. And also, I have
to say, what a senseless bunch
of crap that whole thing was
young men killing each other in
the water and in the air. Oh, my
God, the whole thing just did
you. I mean, this bombing of
Tokyo. No one ever told you
about that crap out of hundreds
of 1000s of civilians died.
Yeah, they just kept bombing for
months, anyway.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And the
thought was, of course, we as a
few incendiary bombs are good
because Tokyo is built on the
housing in Tokyo was you know,
still is rubber race, rice,
paper, rice, paper and light
wood. Yeah.
Adam Curry: That that museum
will give you a little different
sense of what went on there.
Anyway, my point being, that we
as Americans are so susceptible
to agreeing to restrictions by
the government on our speech,
which is just illegal and wrong.
And that's not what we're built
on. You have the right to talk
like a Nazi in America has fine.
You know, that's, you got that?
Right. If that's what you want.
The ACLU used to defend that,
that's all over now. It hosts
Taser over and it's really the
best way because then you can
just stand there and laugh at
them. That's great. But no. I
have a was, I don't think I have
anything else other than it's
just all bad for Joe. And so
we're distracting. We've got a
lot of you know, we're changing
the narrative to Oh, no, no,
these days, all the students,
that it's not just students,
it's this Antifa there's all
kinds of rainbow people in
there. And they're all just
against whatever they're
supposed to be against. Not a
single word about the 100,000
who die of opioids. Not nothing
about the Uyghurs nothing about
anything that's happening in
Africa. How about the fact
John C Dvorak: that you have one
Africa clip where you can play
Why is anyone saying anything
about this? This isn't even
being played because it's not
Adam Curry: the new new thing.
The UN
Unknown: says 450,000 people
have been displaced in eastern
Democratic Republic in the last
six weeks, is blaming recent
violence between armed groups
and government forces in North
Kivu province. The UN Refugee
Agency says is monitoring the
situation after 3000 human
rights violations were reported
last month. That's nearly double
the figure from September
Adam Curry: no one cares.
John C Dvorak: Where's yours?
Adam Curry: They're not the same
level. Even
John C Dvorak: our producers
listeners don't don't care about
Africa.
Adam Curry: It's they tune out
on another Africa made
John C Dvorak: that clip as
short as I could. Good
Adam Curry: work. Everyone's
still here. Okay. Oh, we can't
talk about Africa. That will be
no good. Now, that came across a
26 minute video of the homeless
in Austin. It's heartbreaking.
It's just heartbreaking.
Downtown right near the hotels.
Everyone's part living it up.
And there's just 1000s of
homeless people. And just like
San Francisco, I'll just step
over them. Don't worry. We're
with Google. We
John C Dvorak: were we moved
ours.
Adam Curry: Now. You guys did a
good job.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we moved
them to LA where they belong.
Adam Curry: I want to go back to
AI for just a second because
there was something else that
that was that popped up on CTN.
That's Canadian television. And,
you know, so whatever Elon is
doing, you know, thank you Elon.
Thank you. Ai danger has been
set in motion the regulations
because of you. We appreciate
that. But Jen easterly is our
representative from Sissa. The
what does it come computer side
or infrastructure security
administration. We're also or I
should say, are very involved
with protecting our elections.
Because why do it on paper? And
she shows up,
John C Dvorak: heaven forbid
someone actually put a checkmark
on paper now. We can actually
audited but we can't even audit
the Pentagon, let alone audit or
own election. sleaze
Adam Curry: stop. Yeah. So so
she shows up. And her whole job
here is to talk about I guess
she's doing the rounds, and no
one cares about it, because Ilan
is out there. And she's, this is
starting to not like her a lot.
But she's also full of crap.
Easterly,
Unknown: good to meet you. I'll
start with you. I thought maybe
it would be helpful for the
audience. Before we get into the
solutions proposed. If each of
you could reflect on this
threat, as you see posed by AI.
Yeah, this is truly so I think
we have to understand that AI is
a form of information
technology, and the short
history of information
technology is frankly,
insecurity. And so you think
back to the internet, it was
never created to be secure.
Adam Curry: I love think back,
think back, John, to the
creation of the internet, it was
never created to be secure. So
Unknown: ultimately, it's all
been about speed to market and
features and driving down costs
for competition. And really
where it's led us is an internet
that's full of malware software
that's full of vulnerabilities
where social media Internet
Adam Curry: has resulted in
software that's full of
vulnerabilities. This is great
Unknown: vulnerabilities, social
media that's full of
misinformation and
disinformation. And now this
next generation of AI, we have
to make sure that it does not
have the vulnerabilities that
frankly, have led to ransomware
attacks across all critical
infrastructure and businesses
large and small. And
Adam Curry: wait a minute. So
crappy AI has led to ransomware
attacks. That's what she just
said,
John C Dvorak: Did she I didn't
hear her say that giant here
I'll tell you the problem.
Whoever she is she's chiefs,
patterns, rap, rap, rapid fires
or remarks and I kind of zone
out I didn't I missed it. I was
must have been hypnotized stay
with
Unknown: it abilities that,
frankly, have led
Adam Curry: to roll back a
little further.
Unknown: We have to make sure
that it does not have the
vulnerabilities that frankly
have led to ransomware attacks
across all critical
infrastructure and businesses
large and small. Oh,
Adam Curry: no, she didn't say
that. She said that just the
Internet. The Internet itself is
that
John C Dvorak: you know, what
she said was vulnerabilities
like the kind of the internet
that led to this Yes, it will
happen with AI because we're not
checking it for vulnerability.
Yes, right.
Unknown: And trillions of
dollars lost to global
cybercrime. So the stakes are
very high when you think about
the power and the speed and the
unpredictability of these tools.
So it really is significant that
governments came together 18
governments 23 agencies, along
with 20 companies of industry
that provided substantive
feedback to lay out these
guidelines and guardrails
Adam Curry: guardrails. Now, if
we don't take care of this, what
will the future be like? Jan,
Unknown: last question to you I
think so much of this sounds
very technical, I think even to
myself, I'm wondering if you can
John C Dvorak: hold on
Adam Curry: Yes, I'm holding on.
John C Dvorak: I heard
absolutely nothing that seemed
quote unquote, very technical.
Unknown: Last question to you. I
think so much of this sounds
very technical. I think even to
myself. I'm wondering if you can
impart on Canadians watching
tonight. What a scenario you're
trying to stop looks like like
what what is it in tangible
layman's terms that
you're trying to prevent from
happening? Yeah, yeah, to think
of AI is just a form of
software. And we know that
software was never created to be
safe and secure. Is
Adam Curry: that true? John C.
Dvorak long term columnist and
reporter on technology. Not
John C Dvorak: that I know of
it's it's actually they try to
sell it as very, very secure.
forbid they sell it as junk that
it is
Unknown: not software. And we
know that software was never
created to be safe and secure we
John C Dvorak: all know is
created to be safe and secure.
Adam Curry: We all know it was
never created to be safe always
John C Dvorak: created. Who is
this woman? She couldn't
probably coded. A go to loop. I
Adam Curry: have a clue. She's
friends with Kara Swisher
Unknown: software. And we know
that software was never created
to be safe and secure. It's why
we have ransomware attacks.
That's why we have data theft.
Adam Curry: No, Windows is why
We have ransomware attacks
windows, specifically Microsoft
Unknown: arm. It's why we have
disruptions on things like
pipelines. It's why our energy
grids are vulnerable. So you are
John C Dvorak: Yes. That's why
we Yes, this because of Windows
again, you gotta backup all of
that to clip but okay, Jen, who
is this person? Jen
Adam Curry: easterly. Jen
eastwell. I'm going to look her
up.
John C Dvorak: Who's someone you
hate? Well, you said you learn
gay.
Adam Curry: I'm learning. I'm
learning not to love. People
pod. Jen. Jen easterly. Let me
give you that from the wiki is
an American intelligence and
former military official who was
serving as the Director of
cybersecurity and infrastructure
security agency in the Biden
administration. Bro raised in
Potomac, Maryland, spook went to
the United States Military
Academy Pembroke College, Oxford
Rhodes Scholar, says globalist
and
John C Dvorak: she says
globalist spoke and just like
she just, she probably never cut
it as a spook, it seems to me
she doesn't get the chops,
Adam Curry: but she's in charge
of guardrails and in charge of
the electric
John C Dvorak: rail, will let it
be in charge. That means nothing
will happen
Unknown: fast. It's why we have
disruptions on things like
pipelines, it's why our energy
grids are vulnerable. So you can
think about AI as the most
powerful technology of frankly,
that we've ever seen. Use, oh,
nefarious actors, to use them
for offensive cyber purposes to
destroy our critical
infrastructure, our water
systems, our energy systems, our
financial systems, you can think
about using them to create
biological weapons, chemical
weapons. So we really believe
that governments and industry
are working together to mitigate
the risk of these capabilities
being used for nefarious.
Adam Curry: So she specifically
mentioned water systems. So I
presume that this report will
tell us that it is AI that is
doing this we begin with
security
Unknown: concerns here at home
stemming from the war in the
Middle East. A computer
hacking group with ties to Iran
has reportedly targeted a water
supply system in Pennsylvania.
And the group claims this is
just the beginning just the
beginning. They're using AI this
morning, a cyber group backed by
Iran is taking credit for
breaching a water treatment
plant in Pennsylvania.
Their ability to infiltrate into
industrial control systems and
possibly disrupt or worse, cause
damage to our infrastructure is
very, very concerning. According
to the Beaver County. The
Municipal Water Authority and
Aliquippa says hackers partially
took control of a substation
Saturday, shutting down a pump
that supplies drinking water in
Beaver County, a message
appeared on a pump reading you
have been hacked. Every
equipment made in Israel is
cyber Avengers legal target.
Water pressure in some areas was
reportedly affected before
workers enabled a backup system.
The Cyber Avengers hacking group
is also accused of targeting 10
water treatment plants in Israel
since the war against Hamas
began the cyber
ventures or hacking collective
that is associated with Iran.
They also are supportive of
Palestine and ever since the
conflict began, we have seen
them proactively targeting
anything associated with Israel.
Experts say the cyber Avengers
group is becoming increasingly
sophisticated federal
authorities reportedly believe
the group successfully hacked
for water treatment plants on
the East Coast in recent days.
All of them use software
developed by an Israeli owned
company. This group has
expressed that this is just the
beginning. And we should be
vigilant that future attacks
might occur where they see
opportunities.
So Pennsylvania State Police say
they are using a team of
computer experts to investigate
the hack.
Adam Curry: Hope it's that sis a
lady.
John C Dvorak: She'll figure
telling you first of all, why is
a water pump in Pennsylvania
connected to the internet
internet in any way.
Adam Curry: So because this
admin wants to do it from home?
Exactly.
John C Dvorak: We want to
monitor the pumps from home.
Take these things off the net
and you won't have any problems
at all. I just love Why does
local water supply company
hooked their pumps to the
internet? It makes no sense.
It's stupid.
Adam Curry: Back to AI I just
want to remind everybody why AI
is is not real. It's not true.
It's not working. It's bogus
because I will not believe in AI
until it fixes my email spam.
Why isn't someone creating a
large language model to do that
email
John C Dvorak: spam nothing What
about the stupid phone calls I
get from Steven bengalese guy
named Steven, who's asking me if
I want to get better cable
service or if I want to get a
new deal if I want to take a
discount on my Submariner, and
it's all bull crap. Why is that?
Could Why isn't that track down?
This is causing the American
public billions of dollars? just
wasted time picking up the
stupid calls from Steven?
Adam Curry: Well, I think we
need to kill Steven, that may be
easier. Just get rid of that
guy. I'm just saying Google is
the premier source of email for
most people in the Western
world. Maybe their Incidentally,
I think Apple also has has a lot
of people. There's still some
AOL people out there. Why don't
they make it so that your email
only shows you what you want
really shows you the things that
are important to you. You know,
they just willy nilly filter
stuff into promotions.
John C Dvorak: Great, shooting
our newsletter, half the time
where they let real spam come
through
Adam Curry: it until that time
when Google always reliably
delivers you the no agenda
newsletter to a steward to the
top of your list and says
important, important important
and doesn't file it away. AI is
bogus.
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm not
gonna argue that point. Yeah,
where's the AI? Bit showing
shown to be useful except for
cranking out mediocre art?
Adam Curry: Yeah, or riding the
advertorials for Sports
Illustrated. That was pretty
John C Dvorak: fun. Sports
Illustrated.
Adam Curry: The best so, you
know, but it wasn't even there
just buying this from a company
that is delivering advertorial
content. You know, it's it's
totally oh, by the way, oh, my
goodness. first sighting of the
season, first sighting of the
season, what do we what do we
expect every single Christmas
time? Come on? Well,
John C Dvorak: we get the the
shopper who buys the gifts for
everybody in the store.
Christmas
Unknown: spirit is alive and
well. In Melbourne, a Secret
Santa came into Kmart Richmond
store on Saturday and paid off
all the labor. The $200 Barbie
house and an $89 Barbie Dream
came out hasn't revealed how
much the Good Samaritan spent or
how many customers benefited
from the gesture. Just as good
when
we see that Australians are
still prepared to help others in
need. Even though they don't
know who they are. They're not
family or friends but just
random acts of kindness. It's
it's great.
Pricey Where were you? And you
work this out. Now
John C Dvorak: this this brother
right this is a they should ban
these stories and point out
these are bogus stories. It
probably not even true. Let
alone permit. It's already after
the fact. So what difference
does it make anyone who wants to
get a free doll doll or or toy
from Walmart is nonsense. Every
year. This is
Adam Curry: a triple whammy.
First of all, as you it well,
I'll get back to the to the
third of the Whammies. But here
we have the typical. We we know
that this is done over and over
again Secret Santa, and they're
always promoting Walmart or
Walgreens or target. It's always
a big box store. It's a known
promotion. This time it's
Australia that can you Oh, there
they are. 12 hours ahead of us
are the first ones to come out
with it. But they did not inform
the old coot on the news team.
Everybody's in on it. Everybody
except for the old guy. And I
don't know what this old guy
does at this news desk. But he's
you know, and they and they,
they they involve him by saying
Where were you old guy? What
Where did you do this? You all
your old adorable coot. And the
old guy does not follow the
script because they forgot to
give it to him. And you
Unknown: work this out. Why? Why
would someone do that? What do
you mean? Why would they? Why
would you do that? What's the
Christmas to help people out?
Yeah, maybe? It just It puzzles
me. They came here we did it
themselves. No, no.
You think that? Well,
no, I'm just puzzled as to why
this would happen. If they did
that. Wouldn't they just say
we've forgiven the labor
theory it could be anyone it
could stuff on labeling. Not
everyone's gonna go back to the
Adam Curry: show. Then they
accused him of being you know,
britch and he has a private jet.
But listen to what he says,
well, didn't Kmart just do this
themselves? And one of the guys
if you listen carefully,
actually says Why would we do
that?
Unknown: And you would miss out.
Why? Why would someone do that?
Adam Curry: First Why would
someone do it? Why don't you
understand this an ad old dude?
Unknown: Why? Why would someone
do that? What do you mean why
would they why would you do
that? What's the Christmas to
help people out? Maybe it just
It puzzles me you wouldn't do it
themselves
Adam Curry: don't you can hear
the the one of the guys in the
panel says Why do you say we
would do that? No, no. But now
that's the second part of the
triple whammy. The real joke is
and of course you don't have the
images. They they show the
store. They show a guy at the I
guess the layaway desk, bringing
out two articles and placing
them right in front of the
camera. Listen again to who's
really paying for this ad.
Christmas
Unknown: spirit is alive and
well. In Melbourne, a Secret
Santa came into came out to
Richmond store on Saturday and
paid off all the labor. Among
the items $200 Barbie house and
an $89 Barbie Dream. It's
Adam Curry: a Barbie ad.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Mattel,
Mattel
Adam Curry: and they place
vintage $200 $80 for this and
they haven't right there. To
price. Yes, it's a bit Mattel ad
people
John C Dvorak: get with it. It
did a whole movie. That's an ad
and people flocked to it.
Adam Curry: I gotta hand it to
Mattel. There were only a
John C Dvorak: new marketing
person at Mattel doing they were
almost dead.
Adam Curry: 10 years ago,
remember that? They were like
the short of the century. They
were they were dead. And boom,
there it is shorter than they
were Oh man. It's just so
beautiful. So beautiful.
John C Dvorak: It'll tell you
this sort of thing. I got a
native ad. Oh, good. This native
ad wouldn't have called here.
Would it be native ad? They
probably wouldn't be that I
don't see it.
Adam Curry: I see Nikki Haley,
John C Dvorak: and Nikki. Here
it is big. Oh, sorry. Let me set
this up. Pop start. My favorite
start is on the Today show. It's
a little segment that Carson
Daly comes out. He does. It's
called Pop start. And it's all
native ads. And so and it's
really pathetic, because it's
really, I mean, it's pathetic.
Because they plug one thing
after another they're coming out
I left this the end of the
coming out of a new single by
the what's the name of the
singer this married to the other
but the famous black singer and
singer. I need a little more to
work with. She's married to the
britches black singer in the
world. A Jay? Jay I see I think
is JLo
Adam Curry: JLo. She's She's
Latina, Latinx, whoever,
whatever
John C Dvorak: she is she but
she got a new signal is the
greatest thing ever in their UI.
And I go over it. And so they go
to the next thing. And then they
go into this, this product.
You're talking about Beyonce,
Beyonce. And so that doesn't
matter. Because they're going
into the real native ad.
Adam Curry: Yes, I'm sorry. I'll
be quiet.
John C Dvorak: They're going
into this ad for a bagel that's
got beer in the dough and their
mail order bagel. So they're
going on and on about this bagel
and it is a plug for the bagel
company which is a pop up bagel.
And you get to listen to Al
Roker two times say I love pop
up bagels. I love Papa he does
it twice for me.
Adam Curry: What are what are
pop up bagels
John C Dvorak: What are its a
bagel pop up store that crops up
in New York I
Adam Curry: guess what is called
a bagel it's called the bagel
pop up Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I guess I'm
familiar with it. Oh, but they
the way they really annoying
This is the worst kind of native
ad you'll ever hear.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well let's
let's practice John. We can get
one of these ready
Unknown: want to see what's
happening in there? Kalos Center
released a single called can't
get enough in January. You are
Adam Curry: right it's JLo I
take it all back the album
release
Unknown: and film debut on Prime
Video February 16 Steamy stuff
holiday Lopez. Finally stuff you
know we love a good food
collaboration Popstar we've you
know we've covered to last John
Adam Curry: How much do you love
a good food collaboration with
your favorite Popstar nothing
like a holiday
Unknown: finally, you know we
love a good food collaboration
pop star we've you know we've
covered to last us ice cream you
just did the McDonald's crocs
recently well now Blue Moons
bagels that's right Blue Moon
and New York's beloved pop up
they love pop up bagels are
teaming up and infusing real
beer into this beautiful
breakfast bread. orange cream
cheese did
you manage mimics? Yes I did.
This is happening. Salt bagels.
It's true. I have a bagel. Dip
it in one of these. Orange Yeah,
sure, but it's just I wanted to
get your other one this spread
Savannah has in the bagel. I
bring bagels and beer. I love
this. I love crunchy outside
soft. Much like you. There's no
alcohol in the beer. I mean in
the ones you know, there was a
towel bagel, salted plain
everything ordered nationwide
shipping starts today at noon.
If you're interested to have
this feast, you can do that noon
Eastern time.
Adam Curry: Got it? Oh, my word.
John C Dvorak: This is what TVs
come to. Well, I
Adam Curry: can I can not as
funny. But I can show you it's
even worse than that. By the
way, people will say, Man, Linda
Lou Patton's doing a native ad.
Well, I don't think so. I love
Linda Lou Pak and no, yeah, she
has great job search needs.
Police Police people know this.
Now you alluded to some of this
and it's not the first clip I'm
going to play. But the native ad
is in full effect for deskbound
Manjaro, which is the you know,
the new weight loss version of
Manjaro. Manjaro is the diabetes
weight loss drug, which is for
diabetics, but it helps you lose
weight and death bound, which I
think is called Zip bound. But
death bound as we call it is you
know there is native advertising
everywhere. But this is a huge
shift in lots of different
businesses. And we're going to
get to the ultimate outcome of
what needs to happen and what I
think everyone is really pining
over. But one of the companies
that clearly needs to room
correct themselves is Weight
Watchers. Because for years
Weight Watchers told people it
was your it was you you you have
no self control.
John C Dvorak: You ate too damn
much food.
Adam Curry: You have no portion
control. Well, now we know
thanks to Big Pharma and
incessant lying, that people who
are overweight it's not. It's
not you. It's a medical
condition. It's a disease. This
disease. It's not the horrible
crap foods you're eating. It's
not the portions you're eating.
Man. When I was growing up in
the Netherlands, the Dutch
people would always go you
Americans. You have big gulp
Vata is dead sheep, man. No
wonder you're fat. Yeah, we're
drinking big gallons of sugary
water. But that's not the
problem. It's a disease. So
Weight Watchers hired CNN. And
they did a beautiful
advertorial. I tightened it up
to like a buck 40 5am They long
was it God was three minutes. It
was it was expensive, expensive
CNN BUSINESS, a CNN BUSINESS
cheap CNN business? I don't
think anyone watches this. But
yeah,
John C Dvorak: so they probably
could have gone 10 minutes
because they have a relatively
new
Adam Curry: CEO. And she is
sorry.
Unknown: But in 2023, another
huge shift led by CEO Seema
Stani. Weight Watchers jumped
into the booming prescription
weight loss drug business
acknowledging that for some diet
and exercise aren't enough,
though I want to be the first to
say I'm sorry. And we know
better now, we will do better.
Now. For many who are living
with obesity. It's a chronic
condition. And therefore it is
not a choice. We needed to be
the first to be proud and loud
of notice the piano. Oh, the
fact that we got it wrong. In
the past, we've been treating
these medications like it's a
vanity. And it's not it's
lifesaving.
In some ways it's sort of make
or break for the business too,
though, right? Because this is
sort of the direction this
industry is going without.
John C Dvorak: This is
disgusting.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Especially
with the piano music on a news
item. Suppose Yeah, piano
John C Dvorak: music going to
news items kind of a giveaway as
a native ad. But this is
disgusting. So basically, there
were higher their entire modus
operandi, which is to get people
to eat less food or eat then or
dead switch over and completely
eating their crummy food as a
part of a lifestyle change.
They've just given up on it. No,
Adam Curry: no, no. I know what
they we talked about what the
change they made, but this is
them selling the change. It'll
come at the
Unknown: end past we've been
treating these medications like
it's a vanity. And it's not.
It's lifesaving. In some
ways it's sort of make or break
for the business too, though,
right? Because this is sort of
the direction this industry is
going with or without Weight
Watchers.
I would say that's true. I would
say that's true. And I think
that people who are deniers
about the fact that obesity is a
chronic condition, our
Adam Curry: fat deniers, John,
don't you dare deny that this is
a chronic medical condition. You
are a denier. If you say they're
going to be
Unknown: left behind,
we watch response sequence a $99
a month telehealth subscription
service that connects patients
to doctors who can prescribe
weight loss and diabetes drugs.
It's incredibly important to
communicate the risks. And
that's why the training in
obesity care management is is
really important. Also the
lifestyle interventions that
need to be done alongside the
medications,
why should somebody come to
weightwatchers for these kinds
of prescription weight loss
drugs instead of just going to
their doctor? Well, they can
absolutely
go to their doctor. But I think
that what we can provide is a
higher support solution. Many
doctors don't have training in
nutrition, obesity care
management, and nor do they have
the support system to basically
help throughout the journey. How
do you avoid having to rebrand
the company every couple of
years as people talk about
weight loss differently,
I think of it less as rebranding
and more that we shouldn't be
changing. We shouldn't be
evolving. You can't be around
for 60 years and still be the
same thing. Our whole world has
shifted
Adam Curry: Yeah, as they are
now in obesity care management
and why go to a doctor when you
can get a higher support
solution. I mean, seriously,
John C Dvorak: why go to the
doctor who is any good will or
she is any good? They'll say
what do you nuts? Stop eating?
Stop eating your fat pig. You're
Adam Curry: a denier. You're a
denier so now we have the best
way to to position yourself as a
company well there's the best
way used to be give yourself an
award you create an award show
give yourself the award is not
what the Archer Daniels Midland
award whatever the know what's
that award? You can buy
something called like
John C Dvorak: most of the
awards you have to pay for to
enter Yeah. And then to buy it
though. kind of tease you with
the award. But you got to get
more money. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I forget. Right.
Come on. What's the thing that
they always have the air? Oh, JD
Power. Thank you. Troll room.
John C Dvorak: Oh, JD Power JD
Power.
Adam Curry: Give me a big
company
John C Dvorak: has made billions
I know untoward? We're stupid.
But we'll get to that. And so
I've been trying to diagnose but
you refuse you
Adam Curry: refuse because I'm
too honest.
John C Dvorak: You're just
refuse you hate it. So
Adam Curry: Manjaro does the
study of their own drug. That's
usually how you get it approved
anyway, so we might as well put
it into some running through
chat. GBT turn it into a press
release. And there's a reason
for this. They are they are all
angling for one single thing.
We'll listen to the native ad
that is running on NBC. I do a
new report on two popular weight
loss drugs
Unknown: Manjaro and ozempic.
For the first
time researchers looked at real
world data on the two
medications
Adam Curry: real world data W.
Unknown: Comparing how much
weight people lost in them and
get this one came out way ahead.
Adam Curry: BUSINESS
CORRESPONDENT CHRISTINE ROMANS,
one came way, way ahead.
John C Dvorak: We're the one who
paid us now
Unknown: with more on this
intriguing the one who did the
study headline. Christine. Good
morning. Good morning.
John C Dvorak: Before he played
the end of this, on this same
show that you pulled this clip.
Was there any mention of the
450,000 Africans that were that
are now homeless and roaming as
refugees? There's even one
mention of it.
Adam Curry: Well, if they were
fat, they would be but that's
the problem. They're not eating.
They don't have this disease.
Unknown: There's now with more
on this intriguing headline
Christina. Good morning.
Good morning to both of you. You
know this is a hot topic for
sure. These hot,
Adam Curry: hot topic for sure
Hot Topic class of
Unknown: drugs very exciting.
According to the NIH, more than
two out of every five adults in
this country suffer from
obesity. And we know from
clinical trials that ozempic and
Manjaro they work really well to
help people lose weight but now
a new analysis finds one of
those drugs is the clear winner
in getting results. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Oh, we play this
clip on the last show.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no,
this this is new. This is new
information. Man. This is brand
new. This is great. And man
Gerald can help decrease how
much food you eat.
Unknown: There are two of the
most popular weapons in the
battle against obesity,
Adam Curry: weapons weapons.
This is a war a war against fat.
Unknown: Now a new report
suggests one of these
blockbuster drugs is far more
effective in helping people
slimmed down. The analysis
looked at real world data from
about 18,000 overweight adults
using Manjaro or ozempic over a
year, it found those taking
Manjaro were three times more
likely to lose 15% of their body
weight than those others Empik
and more than two and a half
times more likely to Lose 10% of
their body weight. Well,
Adam Curry: I know which one I'm
choosing. Well, not
Unknown: a peer reviewed study
this echoes previous research.
Adam Curry: Well, not a peer
reviewed study, which was you
know, when it came to
ivermectin, it's not peer
reviewed. This is just a
conspiracy theory. This has been
debunked many times over and
more
Unknown: than two and a half
times more likely to lose 10% of
their body weight through the
mouth people. Well, not a peer
reviewed study. This echoes
previous research that found
Manjaro more effective than
ozempic in helping some people
with weight loss. Both drugs are
taken through weekly injections,
and are FDA approved only for
type two diabetes, not weight
loss. I've lost 17 pounds and
eight weeks, but demand is
soaring as more patients use
them off label to shed unwanted
pounds. Doctors say they work by
mimicking hormones in the gut
tied to appetite.
The major difference between the
two medications is that Manjaro
is working on two hormones and
working on one hormone oh, we're
essentially getting more bang
for the buck when you take
majoro after
struggling with obesity her
whole life. Tara Rothen Hofer
joined a 200 pounds yes Jarrow.
Three years in she says she's
lost more than 200 pounds.
Instead of that feeling of
looking towards your next meal
while you're still eating the
current meal. You're having more
of that feeling of satisfaction
of enjoyment.
You know you have a few bites of
something and you feel foolish.
Eli Lilly maker of Manjaro says
it'll soon release a version
that's FDA approved for weight
loss called Zed bound. In a
statement, the maker of Olympic
Novo Nordisk told us their drug
is only meant to treat Type Two
Diabetes, it's approved drug for
weight loss called Wigo. V is
similar but at a higher dose
than ozempic. experts caution
the safety of these drugs is
still unknown and healthy people
just want to lose a few pounds.
Who cares. They can have side
effects like gastrointestinal
distress, nausea and vomiting.
And they only curb hunger while
being used.
For most patients. When you stop
the medication, you will regain
roughly two thirds of that
weight. This is not a medication
that will reset you for life.
Adam Curry: Okay, and now we get
down to what this is really all
about one thing and one thing
only. And I guarantee you, the
Biden administration will push
this and push and of course, the
executive order whatever they
need, they're gonna get this,
this in one place, the most
important remember, this is a
disease. This is a debilitating
disease. This is ruining
people's lives. This is a
horrible thing. And we finally
have a solution. So we need that
were on Medicare.
Unknown: So bottom line,
Christine, no matter what these
drugs are expensive, how much
does insurance cover?
So right now, these are quite
expensive. Some of these drugs
are hundreds of dollars a week.
Now if you are prescribed for
diabetes, then you may have
insurance will cover this and
insurance does cover a lot of
people on these drugs. But for
weight loss, specifically, some
of these drugs are not covered
by insurance. And one of the
wrinkles here, Michael, is that
Medicare way back like 20 years
ago in the fen Phen craze,
Congress made that Medicare
would not cover weight loss,
because there were so many
dramatic scams, so they need to
go back into Medicare starts to
cover it for weight loss, then
you'll probably see insurers
start to follow we're not there
yet. We are in the early days of
this, but this is our story.
It's also an economy story.
Because when you can get health
care costs in this country under
control, it could be really life
changing and also financially
important for the country.
Absolutely. When less people are
obese. Exactly.
John C Dvorak: Bullshit is not
going to help anybody.
Adam Curry: No, but what they
want is that the drug company
companies but Eli Lilly is
leading the charge they want
their drivers on Medicare, they
want this to be covered by
Medicare so they can pull ahead
of the rest of the pack. And be
under a lie. I mean, I'm not a
doctor, but come on now. You
know, yeah, you're puking you
have stomach issues. The food
noise is gone. And so So yeah,
it was we might we gotta get the
Medicare but it changes the
lives of the it'll it'll combat
climate change. I'm telling you,
we're gonna change
John C Dvorak: his party. I got
a bunch of clips called spending
dilemma that might actually
touch on this.
Adam Curry: Let me play one last
one because this is such a
wonder drug. It's doing more
than I mean, we know that people
don't want to drink alcohol.
They don't want to snort cocaine
and then
Unknown: this is a conversation
I'm really excited that we're
about to have we heard about the
benefits of ozempic we talked
about we go we wait what has
become weight loss drugs, but
Adam Curry: now oh, now wait a
minute we have we're better than
Manjaro there's new information
Unknown: about how information
can help women who are going
through menopause. How does it
work? And what does it mean for
any woman who leaves approaching
that age? Oh me. Yeah,
we are doing a joined now by Dr.
Robbins to talk more about this
and this is a conversation I
know Charlene, you are really as
we had our meetings in the
newsroom, so many points to get
to.
Let me just say this Dr. Alicia
Robins. She is a board certified
OBGYN. She is a lifestyle
physician. She also has a
medical practice called the LM
which specializes in
perimenopause and menopause for
women. I've never even heard of
a practice that specializes in
this. Oh, this is so exciting,
guys. But first of all, thank
you for joining us. And can you
please tell us right off the
bat? First of all, who should be
paying attention to this right
now? This is not just older
women, right? Talk about that.
It's
Adam Curry: not just for older
women, no menopause. You gotta
be thinking about it when you're
young. Yes, yes. First of all,
hi, everyone. Thank you so much
for having me. This is so fun.
It's so fun. It's so fun. I'm
getting paid. It's so fun.
Unknown: And I'm so glad that
we're bringing attention to
this. So yes, Julian, like you
said menopause is
Adam Curry: give us a newborn's
getting the more.
Unknown: We're talking about it
more thankfully. Finally, I know
that this also applies to women
in their 40s which is really the
simplest way of when we say
perimenopause, Peri menopause,
is the time in your 40s or even
late 30s When your hormones
start to change, and you start
transitioning towards menopause,
but it can last a decade. So
really, I'm talking about women
in their 40s and 50s should
listen to
Adam Curry: this really need to
get on this stuff in your 40s
Because you know, you know when
you turn 40 And you know stuff
starts to slip and you get a
little pudgy. Give me this will
help with your menopause. These
people are ghouls. This is evil.
And we need to as you say outlaw
advertising of pharmaceutical
products to consider
John C Dvorak: that would
include Native Ads. Ah,
Adam Curry: disgusting.
John C Dvorak: Spending dilemma
Adam Curry: lip I give the I I
defer the rest of my time to the
gentleman from Berkeley.
Spending dilemma. Let me see.
Oh, this looks interesting. Is
Unknown: America heading toward
a debt disaster? What is
Congress doing about the
nation's increasing
indebtedness? The house
discusses the problem one
lawmakers saying the damage will
be catastrophic and
irrepairable. Virginia Gibson
has more. This is
our generations World War. It's
a problem of historic
proportions.
The most important and
incredible threat to the
Republicans we know it continued
act inaction will prove
disastrous
America's national debt it
continues to surge nonstop as
Congress continues borrowing to
spend the end result could be
economic calamity for future
generations. The House Budget
Committee discussed the urgency
of the issue Wednesday,
the only people that can fix
this is the United States
Congress. And difficulty United
States Congress is going to be
willing to do this is laughable
lawmaker Steve Womack says
Congress has done nothing to
address this issue. He says the
big problem is that no
politician wants to cut the
biggest sources of spending
entitlement programs in
particular social security,
health care, Income Security and
Medicare cutting these things
will be unpopular with voters.
This is
Adam Curry: great. By the way,
this is great
John C Dvorak: social security
as a separate fund or supposed
to be because if you look at
your you get a your check stub,
it shows you the deductions you
get your taxes to pick up and
then it has Social Security
separate this is supposed to be
kept separate to the fact that
they're stealing the Social
Security. In other words, it's
just another part of the tax is
unconscionable. And nobody has
done anything to stop that.
Adam Curry: You're getting mad
about this.
John C Dvorak: No, I'm I'm well,
I've been mad about it. Yeah.
It's like it's a scam. And
they're taking this money right
now. We're finally at the point
it took a long time. But we got
to the point where we're taking
in less money than we're
borrowing on a yearly basis is I
think 115%
Adam Curry: is what we're
recording but not according to
Janet Yellen. By the way. She
says that's fake news. Everybody
John C Dvorak: says it except
her. They're
Adam Curry: just the best part.
John C Dvorak: She's dealing
money left and right and then
that's why it's interesting
about they want to add $1,000 to
Medicare, you know, a month to
these people to pay for it for
their shots. $1,000 shot which
is book bogus. And the other
point is is that if they put in
an enforcement agency and
Medicare they could cut the
probably the budget in half for
that, do you because there's so
much scamming going on?
Adam Curry: Well, this is the
biggest scam is this.
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's one
it's probably pales by
comparison, but it's continue
Unknown: and politics Didn't
need votes to stay in power, the
debt is so high interest
payments themselves take up 16%
of spending interest is
crowding out all of our
discretionary programs. Interest
is certainly crowding out
defense, my colleague on that
subcommittee and I both see that
every single day. And it's
certainly happening on the non
defense side, one
possible ray of hope, a fiscal
commission, we need an
outside group of experts to
audit the pension to help us
understand what the Absolute
Truth is, the commission
would analyze the economic
situation and then provide
recommendations to Congress put
Adam Curry: John and Adam on
another waste of money put us on
this, this would be fun we could
do we could have fun with this
commission.
John C Dvorak: So they don't
want to audit the Pentagon,
which is obviously a source of
waste. There's all kinds of
waste going on. This guy's
bitching about the fact that our
interest is overtaking the
military budget, which is
bloated. I will finish I love
Unknown: it. But fiscal
commission may not be the magic
potion as the chairman had said.
And it may fail. It may. But we
cannot stop trying
lawmaker Bill who is Inga
believes this commission would
be the most practical and
immediate way Congress can break
the status quo. unclear how
Congress would react to
recommendations from such a
commission by
Adam Curry: clutching their
pearls. The curry Devora
commission I can see it already
John's work will be taken will
be taken private jets around the
country. Check everything out.
Yeah, check everything out, you
know? Well, it's obvious. It's
obvious where they're gonna get
it from. It's from a carbon tax.
That is the global ideal. That's
John C Dvorak: what they're
hoping for. You're right.
Adam Curry: Wow, that's it's
more than just what they're
hoping for. I mean, they're
really starting to push this.
John C Dvorak: But the pot, the
pot, where the carbon tax money
goes is going to be the UN. It's
not going to go to to the world
go V shots.
Adam Curry: They have a Well,
you're right. It's gonna go to
the UN. And they're already
setting it up. They have there's
there's even an organization for
this. What is this organization
called? It's the the Tax Justice
Network put justice in anything
and you're good to go. Yeah,
just this
Unknown: last week, country.
Justice. I didn't nations voted
for the organization to take a
greater role in international
tax matters. The move is
perceived as a threat to the
ascendancy of the OECD the body
that has led these discussions
for decades, countries that the
UN adopted a resolution to begin
the process of establishing a
framework convention on tax and
completely change how global tax
rules are decided. The
resolution was led primarily by
African member states and could
eventually move decision making
on global tax rules from the
OECD, a club of developed
countries to the UN, yes,
Adam Curry: you're spot on, and
it will be moved to the United
Nations. And because Africa is
involved with it, that means
it's a carbon tax. And I have
the details here I have the
actual numbers from France 24 As
climate finance or as we in the
business, a climate finance is
on the agenda for cop 28, which
is kicking off
Unknown: climate finance, it's
going to be one of the items
that are really at the top of
the agenda, the cop 28 at taking
place, of course in the United
Arab Emirates, as you said
participants trying to find an
agreement on a target to fix and
Shaun Pellegrino is here to tell
us more sharp
That's right. This is a huge
topic of conversation that
covers many different sectors
areas, whether it's clean
energy, investments, or spending
on climate resilient
infrastructure. And at COP 21 in
Paris in 2015 richer countries
agreed that they should help
poor countries that are more
vulnerable to the climate chaos
caused by the carbon emissions
of developed economies. Well,
the commitment that was agreed
on by these developed countries
in successive climate talks was
of $100 billion per year in
climate assistance by 2020. But
wait a goal that was missed for
several years and that might
finally actually have been
reached this year. But the needs
are so much bigger than that
number. estimates of how much is
needed by emerging markets and
developing countries in order to
keep global warming under the
set target of two degrees, while
they're much higher by 20 $31
trillion. will be needed
annually in external
John C Dvorak: what's right what
happened to 1.5 degrees Shut
Adam Curry: up
Unknown: tire by 20 $31 trillion
will be needed annually.
external assistance and total
spending for these countries.
would actually be much higher
than that around $2.4 trillion.
Adam Curry: Shut up and listen,
because you don't know what
you're talking about. You stupid
plebs. They need a trillion
dollars a year, but really $2.7
trillion a year, they're going
to steal it from everybody. And
we're going to be living in
cardboard boxes. It's
unbelievable that needs we need
to revolt, the revolution. And
of course, this is exactly what
Donald Trump is proud former
President Trump is saying is not
I gotta I gotta get in here
because everyone's crazy.
They've all gone nuts they
John C Dvorak: apparently are if
they're gonna pull if they was
buying into this.
Adam Curry: So now that Trump
once again is on the scene
talking sense as witnessed by
many people who are starting to
say oh well you know, before I
continue I have to have to read
this boots on the remember the
Amazon engineer who told us that
the rivian deal that Amazon did
with all their delivery for with
these rivian pickup trucks that
they can have them you know, the
charging station that stuff is
blowing up these things are
catching on fire. So listen to
this latest update from our
Amazon engineer boots on the
ground because of power
generation issues at the power
companies. Amazon is now using
diesel power generators to power
the vehicle chargers
Oh I love it. That's so good. So
Trump is is is this is the one
speech that he did that
everyone's up in arms over at
least is being used to clutch
pearls This is where he said
these vermin have gotta go which
when you listen vermin speech,
when the now known as the heaven
forbid you use the word vermin.
Well, it's much worse. Because
over there at NPR on the media
my they did a midweek show they
have to do a special edition in
between shows, with Brooke,
Gladys Gus the word vermin. Oh,
no, not just the word vermin the
entire speech. Jeff Charlotte,
who is the author of under tow,
seems from a slow civil war has
been around the country. He's
been around the country. He has
talked to everybody. And he
called him and he comes back and
he lets us know that because of
Trump and Trumpism we are in the
midst of a slow civil war. And
this is all based upon an
analysis of Trump's vermin
speech, also known as the post
indictment speech. And I had
people would start clipping this
for me and I'd already clipped
it. This is how unhinged
deranged This is from our
national treasure known as NPR.
His
Unknown: post indictment speaks
last Saturday of a record crowd
here today. So that's
represented a turning point in
his rhetoric. He was talking
about the final battle which
he's been doing.
This is the final battles. This
is the most important election
we've ever had.
But then there was another
element to speaking of
Obliteration, he saying, not
only is there a risk of world
war three, there will absolutely
be World War Three and less I am
returned to power,
I will prevent world war three,
I will prevent it. And now
people believe
Adam Curry: this is what I love
about this entire analysis. They
put words in his mouth over and
over again. He didn't say there
will be World War Three unless
I'm returned to power. He didn't
say that absolutely
Unknown: be World War Three.
Unless I am returned to power. I
will prevent world war three. I
will prevent it and now people
believe he
said the same thing in the
speech that just preceded
January 6. He said you lied.
John C Dvorak: So she basically
contradicts the basic thesis of
the guy because the guy said
things have changed. He's got
new rhetoric. And so she comes
out and by the way, he said the
same thing back and I've
listened to a lot of his
speeches. I don't listen to much
of them anymore. They haven't
changed. He goes up there does a
bunch of he does a Buck. Buck 15
Buck 30 of stick hilariously the
same interchangeable material
and boom,
Adam Curry: no, no, this is this
is something is changed. Now. We
have to be very afraid of this
war mongering Jew hater
Unknown: that just preceded
January 6. He said you have to
fight as hard as you can or you
won't have a country.
Oh no, that's not the same
thing. When he means world war
three. He's not talking about
not having countries talking
about nuclear obliteration.
This won't be a conventional war
with army tanks going back and
forth shooting each other this
will be nuclear war. This will
be Obliteration, perhaps
obliteration of the Tire world I
will prevent it nobody else can
say that
I alone can stop it right which
is of course a classic a fascist
rhetoric
John C Dvorak: he didn't say he
never said I alone but
Adam Curry: this is how these
people hear it this is what's so
fascinating about this is
John C Dvorak: beauty right
because this is exactly what
they're hearing and then you
talk to the liberals in the
anywhere you are and you're
going to they all hear is it's
the dimension thing again
they're they're living in a in a
different dimension they're
hearing different things yes,
Unknown: it's the Democrats are
just gonna fire off a nuke for
no reason.
Adam Curry: So now they've heard
that the Democrats are going to
fire off a nuke for no reason
Unknown: yeah, I think that is
how it's being heard that we are
very close to me by you clear
war with Russia that He alone
can stop it but it's even more
abstract than that right so when
he says at the
end of the day are the the
communists when destroy America
or we destroy the communists
because that's what they are
they may go by a different name.
Fascists
Marxists to opens and closes the
speech was some kind of classic
anti semitism talking about
globalist and Marxist
Adam Curry: I love it. He's a
Jew hater. Classic anti Semite
talking about communists and
Marxists.
John C Dvorak: So if you bitch
about Marxism, you're a Jew
hater. Correct? He's expanding
Marx was marked by the way was
an admitted atheist. Okay, let's
destroy
Adam Curry: Exactly, exactly but
no, no, no, no. This is the new
anti Semite is the face of Jew
hate.
Unknown: They are they may go by
a different name. Fascists
Marxists to opens and closes the
speech was some kind of classic
anti semitism talking about
globalists and Marxists. He's
expanded and say globalists
ending the potent conspiracism
of anti semitism. So that
applies to all of his enemies.
But lest anyone be confused, he
doubles down in the middle by
talking about Jack Smith,
the special counsel who indicted
him Jack
Smith, what do you think his
name used to be? I don't know to
say anybody, Jackson. Sounds so
innocent.
What is his original name?
What's his real name? It's Jack
Smith. But it couldn't be that
sounds so innocent. By which
means it sounds so. All
American. Wait.
Adam Curry: Oh, I see. So when
you say that, then you're you
can't be one of us. He can't be
one of us whities? No, no, no,
no. Let's get back to the juicy
stuff.
Unknown: And then at the end,
and this was new, right? He
said, We will drive
out to gloveless. We will cast
out the communists, we will
throw off the sick political
class that hates our country and
wants to destroy our country.
This is a reference to driving
out the money changes, Jesus
driving changes. And
Adam Curry: this isn't my
favorite. This is a reference to
Jesus driving out the money
changers, you know, the Jews.
These people are sick, wow, this
is a sickness. This is a real
sick, wants
Unknown: to destroy our country.
This
is a reference to driving out
the money changes Jesus driving
out the money changes and to
make sure you don't miss it. He
refers the speech writer, I
should say, refers to both the
Gospel of John and the Gospel of
Matthew. The money changers
historically, in anti semitism
are understood as the Jews, but
in this moment, it's understood
as the enemy and the enemy is
it's Jack Smith. It's whoever is
on the other side.
That's interesting rather than
cast the Jew as enemy. That's
the tradition. Yeah, here that's
already assumed. And so you cast
the enemy, whoever that may be
as Jews
Adam Curry: helped me help me
understand how they get how they
come to this conclusion.
John C Dvorak: I have no no
clue. It weird. Now
Adam Curry: that they're ill
This is mental illness, total
mental,
Unknown: that you becomes
metaphor. And he's got plausible
deniability because of course,
there are enough right wing
Jews. Maybe he's not saying any
of it. No Miller, who was
Jewish, wrote that speech for
him and has not been shy of
using that language before. So
we can say this isn't about Jews
in a way for Trump. It's really
not his enemy, daughters Jewish.
So as Miller ever is against him
in his power, and then since
he's become proxy, when I go out
and I speak to everyday people,
they see him as a martyr. Oh,
Adam Curry: he's a martyr. Now
let's talk about martyrs for a
second. Because now we need to
take it's not just Trump, but
all the crazy people who are for
Trump. Yes, they're really dare
I say racists, they hate black
people. Black people are
dangerous to Trump.
Unknown: So you say that Trump
has always strived to create
martyrs back in 2017 when he was
president. He said that the
wounded GOP Congressman Steve
Scalise took a bullet for all of
us when he was shot in the hip
by someone who professed to be a
Trump hater. He
Adam Curry: wasn't a Trump
hater. I don't think that guy
was a Trump hater, but he was a
Republican hater. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: he hated all
Republicans. Trump wasn't even
worse. But yeah, yeah, but But
Luke Scalise didn't die so he
wasn't martyred no
Unknown: at a congressional
baseball practice. But you say
that Ashley Babbitt who was
killed as she stormed the US
Capitol on January 6 was quote,
processed made productive almost
immediately after her death
transformed right away into yet
another flag like a new tarot
card in the desert of lash ism
John C Dvorak: was flying out
Ashley Babbitt flag now she was
she wasn't killed she was
murdered.
Adam Curry: Oh you racist
processed
Unknown: made productive almost
immediately after her death
transformed right away and
talked about it now there. We
John C Dvorak: didn't even lie
this is this reporting is some
of the worst I've heard on NPR
for
Adam Curry: oh, the course par
for the course. We didn't even
know who shot her for I think
weeks and weeks took a long time
before we before we knew who
shot her and that was and then
we heard it was an agent and you
know, it was a long time before
we knew the horrible truth John,
he was black
Unknown: processed, made
productive almost immediately
after her death transformed
right away into yet another flag
like a new tarot card in the
deck of fascism where joy macro
John C Dvorak: gasm new taro
card in the deck of
Adam Curry: fascism and when
listened to watch it now she she
says
John C Dvorak: these guys think
they they really think they're
poets poets, sort of poetry
babies poetry
Unknown: tarot card in the deck
of fascism. Were joined Gadsden,
the coiled snake on yet
Adam Curry: isn't a Gadson?
John C Dvorak: Not gaslit as she
says, I think it is gas is gas I
Adam Curry: thought it was
Gadson. She Gadson yeah but she
says Gaston. what a what a dope
deck
Unknown: of fire. Listen, were
joined Gadsden, the coiled snake
on yellow and the blue lives
matter flag.
When I saw Ashley Babbitt white
woman led a mob climbed up to a
broken window and on Capitol
Hill police officer shot her and
killed her as we saw only the
hands of the officer and as a
black man and I understood
immediately as a student of
merican mythology and history.
This is the lynching story.
innocent white womanhood killed
by a black man this is this is
the template of Hollywood you go
back to the Birth of a Nation
one of the most influential
movies of all time. 1915 Based
on a novel called The Klansmen.
It's a positive story about the
Ku Klux Klan and white woman
flees from a dangerous black man
and jumps over a cliff and dies
and thus the Klan must ride to
Avenger Ashley Babbitt was such
a productive martyr because
she's wearing an American flag
outfit kind of She's the only
woman in this crowd but she's
really fierce and tough. She's
also a veteran and I started
traveling around the country
watching the myth information
who actually bad it was doesn't
matter to them.
Adam Curry: I mean, this is so
racist. So
John C Dvorak: oh, I'm gonna use
a modern word it's just racist
word it this is the kind of left
leaning racism that just
permeates the Democrat Party
right now it's just completely
out of control in this this
interpretation of one of his
many speeches which are all
pretty much the same if you've
seen one you've seen most of
them is it's onerous and then
they come up with all this crazy
you know, the tarot card in the
deck of fascism and all these
other things. It's ridiculous
how can use embarrassed How
Adam Curry: can you have a tarot
card in the deck of racism with
the same time you're referring
to Jesus kicking out the money
John C Dvorak: Jacob's fascism
Yeah.
Adam Curry: So now Now of
course, you have to understand
that Ashley Babbitt she's a
perfect martyr for this you know
as Hollywood mainly a left
leaning outfit there Hollywood
as they created this this
beautiful No Oh, no black man
kills white woman horrible. Oh,
yes. This is what we hate in
America. Go Trump given all
Unknown: the mythmaking about
Ashley. You looked into her life
and what did you find? Oh boy.
She documented
her life very extensively. 8000
tweets she made a lot of videos
that's
Adam Curry: documenting your
life alright, isn't it the
Twitter that's a documenting of
my life?
Unknown: I found someone I think
would surprise a lot of people
actually bad A bit from Deep
Blue Southern California kind of
a beach person. Votes for Obama
twice thinks he's the best
president ever. So
how did she get from there to
here? What was the turning dead?
Adam Curry: What do you think
the turning point was? How does
she get from there to dead? I
mean here, Brooke Gladstone. Oh,
let's find out.
Unknown: She talks about a
houseless man in Southern
California. houseless.
Adam Curry: Man. Oh, boy. We
can't even say homeless anymore.
He's a houseless man. houseless
man houseless. Man, let's not
offend anybody doing this to all
renters
John C Dvorak: in the United
States are houseless men. That's
Unknown: correct. She talks
about a houseless man in
Southern California dedicating
on her front lawn and the
compassion she's trying to have
in her life. She just says To
hell with it. And Trump is right
there with this stuff.
Adam Curry: He was right there
on
John C Dvorak: the right do this
anti poop message on the
sidewalk
Adam Curry: saying Ashley,
Ashley Bobbitt, I want you to be
with me
Unknown: is right there with
this story. You know what that
anger you feel? It's not anger.
It's love for your country. You
don't have to swim against the
current give into the undertow.
Let it take you out. Here's
white supremacy is ready to
carry you. And now she's got
John C Dvorak: a lead on the
front yard and white supremacy
is all kind of the same thing.
If
Adam Curry: you have poop in the
front yard, just let White
supremacy carry you away into
utopia. This is the point that
it
Unknown: takes you out. Here's
white supremacy is ready to
carry you. And now she's got a
leader and she's got a
mythology. And it's so easy to
go with it. Oh,
John C Dvorak: my God, if you're
going to simplify it like that,
I guess it is easy to go with
it. Now. I bless you as a
leader. I have the last clip and
she has a mythology where you
can never really talks about the
mythology and mythology, the
myth Okay, I'm sorry, I
shouldn't be interrupting
anymore because I use can never
get this thing done. Playing
Adam Curry: this is just 39
seconds and we're over
Unknown: speech Trump gave on
Saturday after the indictment.
There's a key moment there where
he's talking about cutting taxes
and he gets cheers and then he
starts talking about Stop
John C Dvorak: man stop you
again. I just want to point out
this this usage of after the
indictment after the indictments
just to keep reminding us if you
don't remember this, Trump is an
indicted guy. Yes. indicted,
which means he's probably
guilty. It must be like a proven
innocent speech.
Adam Curry: What are you talking
about? Stop that now. Do I need
to play our buddy?
John C Dvorak: John Brennan?
Yes. Oh,
Adam Curry: guilty. Whereas
it's, I should I should have I
need to put this one. at the
ready. Yeah, I need to put
Brennan guilty. Here we go. This
is what they really are talking
about.
Unknown: People are innocent
until alleged to be involved in
some type of criminal activity.
Adam Curry: That's it. That's
the mantra right there. People
are innocent until they're
alleged to be involved in some
kind of criminal activity
guilty. The speech
Unknown: Trump gave on Saturday
after the indictment. There's a
key moment there where he's
talking about cutting taxes and
he gets cheers and then he
starts talking about what he
calls transgender craziness and
he gets huge steps back and I've
seen this moment in so many
Trump rallies he steps back. He
says Look at that.
You say I'm talking about
cutting taxes. People go like
that. And he minds moderate
applause. I talk about
transgender everyone goes crazy.
Who would have thought five
years ago you didn't know what
the Hold on a
Adam Curry: second. He didn't
say transgender craziness. He
said I talk about transgender.
Everybody goes crazy. These
people are literally hearing
things what he
Unknown: calls transgender
craziness and he gets huge two
steps back and I've seen this
man, right. So many Trump as he
steps back. He says Look at
that. You say I'm talking about
cutting taxes. People go like
that, and he minds moderate
applause.
I talked about transgender
everyone goes crazy. Who would
have thought five years ago you
didn't know what the hell it
was.
This is how Trump uses rallies.
He is not a leader. He's riding
this undertow. He is the one
saying is this where we're
going? He says five years ago,
nobody talked about it. Who
would have thought? Not him? But
he'll follow now.
Adam Curry: Your national
treasure ladies and gentlemen.
Okay,
John C Dvorak: we'll get a clip
of the day for that work.
Adam Curry: Oh, well, thank you.
It did take me a little bit of
time. Meanwhile, it must irk
these people to no end that Fox
News does stuff like this with
the Rhode Island co founder of
Black Lives Matter this
Unknown: day. Because it
identifies what I've seen in the
barber shop. All the brothers
for some reason right now are
turning ties right now. And I
just wonder what is the big
reason?
I think personally, it's the
duplicity of the Democrats. The
hypocrisy. We're not stupid. The
brothers are not stupid. We
understand when someone's for us
and when someone is not. And
it's obvious that the Democratic
Party is not for us. policies
actually strike at the heart of
the black Family and a nuclear
family. Yeah. So,
you know, you were part of Black
Lives Matter. You found it in
there. And now you're saying
you're not saying the entire
Republican Party. You're saying
Donald Trump. So what is it
about Donald Trump? Is it the
economics? You know, that the
black family? What is it gonna
take for him to share up this
support among black voters?
Well,
I did. I just think that it's
going to take information a lot
of people are misinformed. They
don't really understand because
they don't educate themselves on
on Donald Trump as a person and
his history. But if they do
that, and it's gonna take you
know, leaders educated leaders
getting the word out there. I
think that it'll happen on its
own, and it'll be organic,
because I'm, personally I love
them, man. I mean, how could you
not like, red man? How could you
not relate to someone like that?
Oh,
Adam Curry: we can't have that.
Oh, he's a racist. Don't you
know that?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. That guy's
going around. He's seems irked I
want to bring in some Nikki
Haley stuff here. Because Nikki
Hey,
Adam Curry: Ron Nimrod, Haley.
John C Dvorak: What's numerati?
Naming one that
Adam Curry: was her real name.
John C Dvorak: She's the She's
the new op.
Adam Curry: I know. But what's
it what's her real name? If you
had it last time? Oh,
John C Dvorak: yeah. It's gonna
make me Nimrod.
Adam Curry: I came up with
Nimrod. But I Yeah, Nimrods.
Good. I like Nimrod. We'll just
use Nimrod Haley.
John C Dvorak: So she is being
promoted by a bunch of rich
guys. Yeah. Koch brothers. In
Silicon Valley, Republicans are
back here too.
Adam Curry: I think some oil
guys are back in her as well.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: they're all back
in I don't know why. Well, I do
know why is because they don't
want Trump Yeah. But she's no
good. Named Murata. Murata,
Adam Curry: Murata. Nimrod,
exactly. named Mr. Otto for
sure. Yes. She's the new op.
John C Dvorak: I think she's
been that way for us ever since
I started putting money in her
favor. And the thing that gets
that you notice, if you watch
even Fox, oh, she won the
debate. Somehow she won the
debate. Nobody's winning these
debates, but somehow she's
coming out ahead and they keep
pushing that and they will look
at her numbers are going up.
Adam Curry: This is a pathetic
attempt to thwart Trump for
real. It's
John C Dvorak: very pathetic.
It's very pathetic. And here's
some examples part one. With a
Unknown: narrower field of
candidates in the GOP primary.
We are seeing the remaining
candidates picking up major
endorsements endorsement
political advocacy group backed
by the Koch brothers recently
through their support behind
Nikki Haley. And today at
JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon
also said that Haley is the
candidate who has the best
chance of unseating GOP front
runner, Donald Trump. What do we
make of this? Joining us to
discuss is Mike Lyon host of can
we please talk podcast?
Adam Curry: Oh my god, guys. Oh
my god. Well, this will change
the tide. We've got a podcast
and podcast shows.
John C Dvorak: She brings on a
podcaster. Yeah, who doesn't
know anything?
Adam Curry: What Why did they
bring him on then?
John C Dvorak: I have no idea
PR, they maybe he has a PR
person. We can never get one
because the PR people like as
much they hate us because they
hate us. And it's what it is.
But so they bring this guy and
he's got nothing to say. And
it's actually kind of funny what
he says because he's a stooge.
And by the way, the Koch
brothers are notorious treatment
of they're mentioned a lot in
2015. And 2016 is a terrible
people. But once they they
turned on Trump, they never
liked Donald Trump. No. So they
sent him no support whatsoever.
And then the talk of the Koch
brothers just disappeared.
Because everyone's fine with
them. Okay, here we go. Mike.
Leon,
Unknown: thank you so much for
joining us. Great to have you
back on the show. Now, big
donors, including the
billionaire Koch brothers are
backing Nikki Haley for
presidents. That's the latest
push to beat Trump. How do you
read this, especially given the
polls?
Yeah, you know, it's so funny
that now you're starting to see
folks starting to weigh in and
we saw Iowa Governor Reynolds,
back Ron DeSantis. Now we're
seeing the donations that are
coming in from the Koch brothers
for Nikki Haley. I read it as
similar to last time I was on. I
was mentioning about other
debate performances went and I
think right now people are
starting to see Nikki Haley's
ascension. After these debates I
mentioned to you, Tiffany, I'm
going to take a victory lap
about Tim Scott would probably
be dropping. And sure enough, he
drops and I think what's
happening right now is you're
starting to see even Wow,
Adam Curry: he's got a crystal
ball there on that podcast. I
predict him Scott will drop out
of the race and
Unknown: take a victory lap
about dropping. And sure enough,
he drops and I think what's
happening right now is you're
starting to see even before we
get to January and the Iowa
primary, you're starting to see
a consolidation and I think the
money is starting to move
towards Nikki Haley because we
saw a poll in South Carolina
trending upwards in her
direction. We've seen her shoot
up in mourning console polls,
which registered Republicans is
about 4000 or so in those polls.
And she's moving up continually.
Now the problem is, is that
they're all chasing the person
that's 4050 points ahead of
them. But But legal troubles
ahead for the President, we know
that there's going to be trial
dates around key campaign dates,
Super Tuesday, for example, the
former president could be in
court. And I think right now,
what you're seeing is that
donors are starting to realize
we have to put our money behind
somebody that we think can not
only be Trump in the GOP
primary, but could also be
President Biden, in the general
Nikki Haley's campaign has done
that in terms of speaking to
moderates, and independents and
Latinos and bringing in that
coalition of voters. And I think
right now the ear of those
donors, she has caught on
because of the messaging because
of the way she's performed in
these debates. Debates.
Adam Curry: Well, she,
John C Dvorak: by the way, she's
gaining ground in South
Carolina, where she was the
governor, you might hope she'd
get some support. Sounds
Adam Curry: to me like some of
these special interests and
donors are they're hedging their
bets here because they they
don't think Trump can beat the
rap. And they want to have a
backup horse.
John C Dvorak: Yep, that she's
not going to beat any Democrat
mind. I don't
Adam Curry: think she might not
even be Kamala Harris.
John C Dvorak: Yet, would be a
great combination to see.
Adam Curry: It'll be great. Oh.
John C Dvorak: Mimi was pitching
the other day about hey, you
know, I think things so what are
you talking about? This is all
great for the show.
Adam Curry: Really, Mimi?
John C Dvorak: I spent a clue.
Lady.
Adam Curry: I saw a picture of
Mimi. She looks great. I love
the color of her hair now. She's
got kind of interested. Yeah, I
like it. I like it a lot.
John C Dvorak: I do on with the
final clip of Nikki Haley.
Expanding
Unknown: on that point. What is
Nikki Haley doing right that the
donors are backing her? Well,
I think the biggest thing has
been a dehumanizing word. She
has used this a bunch of
different times when speaking
about issues that Republicans
have been getting hammered on,
in the midterms, specifically
around abortion, women's
reproductive rights. She
mentioned in the first debate
with Martha McCallum from Fox
News. She mentioned it recently
the other debate, I think the
other big thing that was telling
somebody this a Republican
strategist, this is right now
the US is involved in two wars.
And there's a third potentially
looming with respect to whatever
China does with Taiwan. We have
Russia, Ukraine, we have what's
happening with Israel and Hamas,
even though there's a pause
right now in the fighting, and I
think foreign policy wise, Nikki
Haley is way above some of these
other candidates, specifically
Vivek Ramaswamy. We've seen that
back and forth him had about
Vladimir Putin and the way they
would talk to President Xi of
China. So I think that's what's
happening right now. foreign
policy affects the US economy.
It affects things at home here,
even though voters tend to rank
it as lower issues. The
billionaire donors know that
President Trump ran on no new
wars and being able to navigate
the foreign policy waters. And I
think Nikki Haley is carrying
that torch. She was a former
ambassador to the UN. And right
now, she has put out the best
plan in terms of messaging
around what she would do for our
allies involved in these wars
and putting out the fires that
could potentially come if China
were to invade Taiwan. That's
why I think the money is
shifting towards her. Yeah, he's
John C Dvorak: a big war monger.
She's pro Ukraine war.
Adam Curry: Yes. Military
Industrial.
John C Dvorak: What is he
talking about? The guys that is
full of it. He's part of the
scheme.
Adam Curry: Oh, of course.
John C Dvorak: Nikki Haley
things getting on my nerves.
Adam Curry: I can tell. I can
tell. No, it's Yes, she is a
war.
John C Dvorak: She's a warmonger
she's a hawk. McCain Democrat
and you know
Adam Curry: when you think about
the Koch brothers they don't
they make stuff for war. I'm
John C Dvorak: sure they make
stuff for war their oil company.
Adam Curry: Yeah, the oil guys
are behind. We're having dinner
with the oil barons of Texas oil
baron. Good. Now we're now
having we're having dinner next
Wednesday. Yeah. So I'm going to
talk to him about it because I
know that buddies of his and he
may have he may also be a Nicki
supporter. I'm gonna ask because
we know that really those guys
want a Democrat to win because
that's that's how they that's
how they
John C Dvorak: look at the price
of Exxon stock if you want some
confirmation Exactly. Although I
didn't get into stock soared,
yes.
Adam Curry: Beautiful. It's
beautiful. Even though they're
patriotic and they they they're
pro America, but Nikki Haley may
just be just what the doctor
ordered.
John C Dvorak: Ah, that upside
down smile. I think that's what
bothers me the most about her.
Adam Curry: I don't like her.
Her. Her look in general. She's
John C Dvorak: got this because
she has an upside down smile.
That's like borderlining on a
grimace. Yeah. And she's glib if
we horribly glib,
Adam Curry: if we could just be,
you know, very superficial for a
moment. And incredibly that's
what we do. That's what our
John C Dvorak: show does. She
got speakers. That's what they
do in real life. And especially
in the executive suites. She got
Adam Curry: saddled back, she
shouldn't be wearing jeans where
she should wear a jacket she
wears.
John C Dvorak: Part. I didn't
get to that I didn't go that
far. But you know, I'm, I'm
Adam Curry: I'm a fashion guy. I
know. I'm normally I'm a face.
You're
John C Dvorak: a fat. Yes.
Normally, I'm
Adam Curry: a face guy. But
yeah, she does not have a
pleasant smile, or just has a
scowl kind of.
John C Dvorak: Yes, like
borderline scowl. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. But it's
gonna, it's gonna resort to
nothing. It's just not gonna
it's not gonna work. This I
don't badger these people really
believe that? I think it's a
backup. I think it's a backup
hedge. And, you know, if Trump
beats the wrap, which I think he
will I mean, I don't think any
of these cases will actually
happen before the election. Do
you think
John C Dvorak: they're going to
try to find something to do to
lock him up? Yeah, literally.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Well, he
can still run for president when
he's locked up candy.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he can
probably win. Yeah. And then he
Adam Curry: can pardon himself
and good to go.
John C Dvorak: I don't know
about that. That's a big issue.
Nobody knows for sure.
Adam Curry: Hey, we'll be good
for the show. Who wouldn't
John C Dvorak: do here's the
here's the question for the
show. And for the listeners and
for the troll room and for the
producers. Who's Trump's vice
president? Hmm. Well, I'm pretty
good at predicting these things.
Well, but Well,
Adam Curry: here's what I would
do if I was him. Nikki Haley.
John C Dvorak: No, she hates
Trump. She won't do it. I can't
see this. Another it'd be
another bad selection. It's
gonna ask for an assassination.
No. Nikki Haley is out.
Adam Curry: I have another
option then. Comic Strip
blogger. Alex Jones, anybody?
You think he has an idea? Do you
seriously think he has a thought
about that? Right. He must, I
guess
John C Dvorak: was somebody
must. But I have not heard any
speculation on any of these
people like to speculate about
this and that. I've heard
nothing. Regard Sara
Adam Curry: Holmes. Vice
President Sara