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Adam Curry: Uh oh my God. Adam
curry, John C Devorah. Say
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December 21 2023. This is your
award winning Kuma nation media
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assassination episode 1618. This
is no agenda, crossing the
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border up and broadcasting live
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country here in FEMA Region
number six. In the morning,
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everybody. I'm Adam curry came
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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley, where everybody
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agrees that perhaps the dumbest
and maybe the worst show in the
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history of television is the
masked singer. I'm John C.
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Dvorak skill. In the morning, in
the morning to you in the
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morning, everybody.
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Adam Curry: Why are you watching
the masked singer? I
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John C Dvorak: mean, not. That's
why I said it's showing the
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history of television. Okay,
just one. What is anybody watch
0:48
it?
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Adam Curry: I don't know. If
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John C Dvorak: you watched Jenny
McCarthy go. Oh, my God. She's
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all she does on the show. Is she
on this show? Yeah, she's one of
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the judges.
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Adam Curry: Man. You know, that
could be me. That could be my
1:03
career.
1:04
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it would
fit right in is
1:06
Adam Curry: Oh, my Oh, my God.
She does you imagine, you know,
1:12
getting old? You know, Vijay,
the only people over 45 know who
1:16
you are. And that's all you got
is you're gonna be a judge on
1:19
some shows.
1:22
John C Dvorak: Based probably
better than what we're getting.
1:24
Yeah. Well, hmm. Especially
after this fantastic promotion
1:28
we did for the Golden Circle or
whatever it
1:31
Adam Curry: was actually, there
was something interesting.
1:33
Netflix published its numbers
that they're viewing and guess
1:39
hours viewed numbers yet?
1:41
John C Dvorak: No. Yeah, they do
the second billions of seconds
1:43
viewed they have this crazy. Not
the way their system is just
1:49
nuts. Right? They can, they can
nail it to the obvious to the
1:53
minute. So
1:54
Adam Curry: James Cridland who
does pod news. He's nice. He's
1:58
does a daily show. And he he's a
numbers guy. Because of course,
2:02
the podcast industrial complex
is all about numbers. Don't
2:04
worry, it's all going up more
ads are coming. It's gonna be
2:07
great. And so he put together
this calculator because we
2:11
publish our our stats on this
thing called op threes nuts how
2:15
we know that we have eight
900,000 people a month to listen
2:18
to the show. And so he took that
and he cross reference it with a
2:23
Netflix numbers. And as it turns
out, this show is bigger than
2:27
93% of any shows on Netflix. I
wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. And
2:32
Netflix on average, people pay
53 cents an hour for the content
2:37
if you break it all down into
what people are watching and how
2:40
much they pay per month. Man if
only if only if
2:45
John C Dvorak: everybody Yeah,
well, that's we do have some
2:48
people that do pay that. Well,
yeah, but contribute that to the
2:51
show. But it's only 1% 2% of the
total. Yeah.
2:55
Adam Curry: If only if only
everybody did it would be great.
2:58
Well,
2:58
John C Dvorak: Netflix has a
model that they're long it was
3:01
to make it even partially work.
Everybody else is struggling
3:04
with streaming.
3:06
Adam Curry: Struggling with
streaming. Yeah.
3:08
John C Dvorak: I think the
reason that there's everyone's
3:10
struggling with streaming is
Netflix got in they perfected
3:13
the model. Yeah, they did a good
job of taking their customer
3:17
base and turning into stream
street hackers.
3:20
Adam Curry: Remember, they had
DVDs. Remember, they were the
3:22
mail around? I was cool. I
3:24
John C Dvorak: was and the other
people are Johnny come lately.
3:28
So what are you gonna do to one
of those few examples in tech?
3:32
And I would call this tech in
Tech where the first guy got in
3:36
first dominated dominant.
Generally speaking, it's like
3:39
the second or third Gale
perfects things.
3:41
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. So I was
the first in podcasting and no
3:45
one has heard no one has
perfected it second or third.
3:48
John C Dvorak: No, you actually
have you're the first to get
3:50
because you did the pocket. The
podcasting. 2.0 is something
3:54
that should get you a Nobel
Peace Prize.
3:57
Adam Curry: So just since you
brought that up last night did
4:01
the first value for value
concert. And people were using
4:05
the modern apps and they were
streaming value for value and I
4:08
think the artists Ainsley
crystella made like $3,000 value
4:14
for value works. It really does.
4:17
John C Dvorak: Well, how much
would she normally make zero?
4:20
Adam Curry: He's talking about
zero. If first of all you can't
4:23
even do a live streaming
concert. What is Spotify is
4:26
going to pay you for that. No,
no, no. Tonight they do it
4:29
again. Nicer there live from
Minneapolis and it's exciting
4:32
stuff. It's exciting. Anyway,
this whole what's poppin right
4:40
now that everyone in my neck of
the woods I said it neck of the
4:43
woods is talking about is these
migrants and let's just call
4:48
them asylum seekers, illegal
immigrants. And so now, it seems
4:54
that on social media people have
discovered that they're being
4:59
flown to other countries, other
cities in the country which we
5:04
knew this
5:06
John C Dvorak: has been going on
for years. But now all of a
5:08
sudden that that those those
midnight flights has been
5:11
documented people will take
their cameras out and tomb shown
5:15
these flights being filled.
5:17
Adam Curry: Yeah, but now it's
commercial flights. They're
5:20
buying seats from Delta and
American, by the way, business
5:25
class seats and people are
getting Yes, and people are
5:29
getting bumped from the flights
because there's so many migrants
5:33
who are getting these these
Priebe this premium boarding
5:36
premium seating. I mean, you can
have as many asylum seekers and
5:40
migrants as you want illegal
immigrants in America. But when
5:43
you start bumping people off of
flights, people lose their crap.
5:46
This is this is where Americans
draw the line, Hey, you want to
5:49
be here illegally, whatever, but
you are not taking my seat. So
5:56
this is mainly coming from
Arizona. Large large groups of
6:02
people. Tickets typically
purchased within 72 hours of
6:07
departure because whoever buys
the tickets needs a name to
6:09
purchase tickets making the
fares very high. So these are
6:13
very profitable for the
airlines. This is why they don't
6:16
get bounced. They also do not
have to meet normal TSA
6:23
John C Dvorak: is costing the
American taxpayer Oh, brother.
6:27
Adam Curry: We still we got a we
got a note from this as a good
6:31
note boots on the ground. Nice.
We'll just get right into it.
6:33
I've got a couple of clips to
telling you this. And anonymity.
6:36
I'm an officer with TSA San
Diego International Airport. My
6:40
background with TSA is with the
behavior detection program and
6:44
the insider threat teams. So
this is not just some rando
6:48
who's yelling at you about your
bottle water
6:52
John C Dvorak: guys is looking
for witching
6:56
Adam Curry: Exactly. What's the
Oh, hey, look at that curry guy.
6:58
Man. He's twitching all over the
place. Pull him over. I have 10
7:02
years of experience with
observing and conversing with
7:04
the traveling public and fought
off the vaccine mandate. So if
7:08
you'd like I've earned my
stripes to speak on this with
7:10
some authority. Yes, sir. Oh,
yes, sir. Yes, sir. For him.
7:14
There are hundreds or her there
are hundreds of illegals slash
7:18
asylum seekers passing through
our airport daily for well over
7:21
a year now. And recently I've
been able to piece together who
7:25
exactly as assisting with these
people. Christian family
7:29
services and Jewish Family
Services have volunteers that
7:33
guide large groups from the bus
drop off through TSA screening
7:37
right onto their departing
flights. to young women that I
7:41
assume were volunteers caught my
eye in the spring and through
7:44
the summer because of their
flirtatious nature with the
7:47
young male TSOs of the time they
spent inside the sterile area
7:51
without any asylum seekers in
their care. I approached one of
7:55
the girls that was speaking to a
Jewish Family Services volunteer
7:58
and was able to conclude these
two young women are paid
8:01
contracts and employees with an
NGO non governmental
8:04
organization called IEM. i e
m.com. Based on what I read of
8:10
this group, they're well
entrenched with assisting the
8:12
government through many avenues
of disaster relief, even the
8:16
COVID vaccine rollout these guys
do at all. I mean, they are a
8:20
military contractor of their
big, big business, ie m.com. As
8:26
for the asylum seeker manual, I
try to come to your own
8:28
conclusions. I think this im
group, along with many others
8:31
take custody of these people,
when they crossed the border,
8:33
keep control of them with
housing all the way through,
8:36
even with with even judicial
proceedings to support court
8:40
dates have been confirmed to be
well into 2027 and beyond. This
8:43
is how it's working. So all this
busing stuff from Texas. Yeah,
8:49
sure. And in fact, Texas is
tired of the buses themselves
8:52
since Chicago has been
impounding buses will just rent
8:57
the plane.
8:57
Unknown: It was a private plane
that was chartered by Texas
8:59
Department of Emergency
Management that brought 100
9:02
migrants here to Chicago Tuesday
night, according to the city and
9:05
landed at O'Hare Airport around
715. And on social media, Texas
9:09
Governor Greg Abbott's
administration posted about the
9:11
plane saying, because Mayor
Johnson is failing to live up to
9:14
a city's welcoming city
ordinance by targeting migrant
9:17
buses from Texas. We are
expanding our operation to
9:20
include flights to Chicago like
the Biden administration has
9:23
been doing across the country.
So President Biden has steps up
9:26
and does his jobs to secure the
border Texas will continue
9:29
taking historic action to help
our local partners respond to
9:32
the Biden nade crisis. Governor
Abbott says his administration
9:35
has blessed nearly 83,000
migrants to sanctuary cities.
9:39
Chicago has received more than
24,000 so far. And during an
9:44
interview with Wu TTW Mayor
Brandon Johnson said the
9:47
governor of Texas determined to
create chaos and we also know
9:50
that the Latino Caucus will join
others out here downtown later
9:54
on this morning to demand more
help from the federal government
9:58
government I should say in
handling my We're in crisis here
10:00
in Chicago.
10:02
Adam Curry: So everyone's
blaming Abbott, of course. And
10:05
what he did was obviously, what
we should just call it
10:09
performative with this. Show me
your papers bill that he signed,
10:13
the Republican
10:14
Unknown: governor of Texas, Greg
Abbott signed a sweeping new law
10:17
today that lets local police
arrest migrants who crossed the
10:21
border illegally. It also lets
state judges order them to leave
10:24
the country. Opponents say it
directly violates federal
10:27
authority over immigration.
Texas Republicans say the Biden
10:31
administration isn't doing
enough to stop illegal
10:34
immigration. So
10:35
Adam Curry: we got rob our
constitutional lawyer who
10:37
immediately is all over this so
we have a good breakdown of what
10:40
what the law is actually three
bills. It's not just one, which
10:44
is worth breaking down. Three
state law bills. three bills the
10:50
first allows Texas law
enforcement officers to arrest
10:53
suspected illegals and judges to
deport them summarily critics of
10:59
course, calling this the show me
your papers law. The second bill
11:02
funds the wall, along with
stepped up patrols in places
11:06
like Houston and the third bill
ups the penalty for being a
11:09
coyote or running a stash house
from two years imprisonment
11:13
imprisonment to 10. And this law
was, as you could predict,
11:18
immediately challenged in court,
the ACLU filed a suit
11:23
representing loss Americans
immigrant advocacy Advocacy
11:28
Center American gateways and El
Paso County, El Paso we've been
11:33
overrun with illegal
immigration. Like We're suing
11:36
you. We love it. I know what's
wrong with El Paso. But of
11:41
course, they're sort of they've
asked for an injunction
11:45
injunction precluding Texas from
enforcing the law as declared
11:48
declaratory judgment decreeing
that the law is
11:51
unconstitutional, which it
probably is. plaintiffs have
11:55
stated they will seek a
temporary injunction to tide
11:57
them over all the case proceeds
according to our constitutional
12:01
lawyer, they'll probably be a
stay. And so this will have to
12:05
play out over the next year,
they need to file a cert
12:10
petition with the Supreme Court.
So this will go to the Supreme
12:12
Court in the meantime, this is
going to be the big the big
12:16
distraction. So we don't pay
attention to Israel. Don't pay
12:20
attention to Hunter Biden, don't
pay attention to Joe Biden
12:24
falling down. I mean, it's
really in competition with the
12:28
John C Dvorak: anti sell down
again.
12:31
Adam Curry: You would know
because everyone's either
12:32
talking about Trump or this and
I have to border clips. Okay.
12:38
And then I have a couple of
things and a conclusion here. I
12:41
John C Dvorak: have some Texas
border update. Texas border
12:44
update.
12:45
Adam Curry: Oh, it's one of our
favorites. Oops.
12:48
Unknown: This is in D. D.
Biden's deliberate inaction, has
12:54
left Texas to fend for itself.
12:56
Texas Governor Greg Abbott on
Monday signed a law giving local
12:59
officials the ability to arrest
and deport illegal immigrants.
13:03
Multiple civil rights groups are
now challenging it saying Texas
13:07
unlawfully keeps the federal
government from enforcing
13:09
immigration laws.
13:10
Adam Curry: And this guy sounds
a bit like Patrick bet David,
13:13
don't you think little Yes,
that's
13:16
John C Dvorak: funny. This is
you get to see this guy. He's a
13:19
very German looking guy No
visually, is he's actually
13:25
doesn't look quite like his
voice.
13:27
Unknown: It's interesting from
enforcing immigration laws and
13:29
that it illegally bars
immigrants from applying for
13:32
asylum. Mexican president Andres
Manuel Lopez Obrador says Mexico
13:36
is also preparing to challenge
the law.
13:40
To tell our fellow countrymen
and migrants we will be
13:43
defending them. Texas governor
acts that way because he wants
13:47
to be the vice president
candidate for the Republican
13:49
Party in the United States. And
with these measures, he wants to
13:53
gain popularity.
13:56
Republican footage from Eagle
Pass Texas on Wednesday shows
14:00
1000s of immigrants trying to
enter the Lone Star State, the
14:03
new law is set to take effect in
March. In other Texas related
14:07
news, a razor wire fence is
allowed to stay up at the state
14:11
southern border for now. A
federal appeals court on Tuesday
14:14
temporarily blocked the Biden
administration from removing the
14:17
fence.
14:18
Adam Curry: I will point out
that it is supposed to take
14:20
place March 5, which is the
beginning the date exact date of
14:25
the Republican primaries. So
coincidence, probably not. It's
14:31
all political. It's all
performative. And I'm going to
14:34
read a bill to you which I think
explains what's really going on
14:37
here. What is your second clip
here?
14:40
Unknown: Back in October, the
states sued the Biden
14:42
administration for cutting
almost 30 miles of concertina
14:45
wire. And lastly, illegal
immigration now affects
14:49
international trade. business
groups and train operators are
14:52
pressing the government to
reopen rail bridges in Eagle
14:56
Pass and El Paso border
authorities closed them on
14:59
Monday because They're
understaffed. The US Chamber of
15:02
Commerce says shutting down road
traffic through Eagle Pass in El
15:05
Paso will inflict significant
economic harm
15:08
Adam Curry: Dalia, there's going
to be economic harm, it's going
15:11
to be horrible. And I have a
couple of short clips here from
15:16
Democrat representatives. Who
are I mean, very interesting how
15:24
they I think the American public
in general is against this, that
15:28
everyone's sick of it everybody
in even in the so called
15:31
sanctuary cities, they see it,
that you can't hide it anymore.
15:36
If you have if people haven't
been kicked out of their hotels
15:38
for their wedding parties,
because migrants, Bo and it's
15:42
and by the way, the language is
asylum seekers, migrants,
15:45
there's very little illegal
immigrants, there's none of that
15:48
being said, this is Jasmine
Crockett,
15:52
Unknown: today concern because
the Republicans have never
15:55
gotten immigration. Right.
That's just the fact of it.
15:58
There's not very much that the
Republicans get right, in
16:00
general. And so to basically say
that issues of national
16:05
security, as relates to how
we're going to take care of our
16:08
allies should be tied to this
mangled immigration process is
16:13
absolutely insane. I mean, when
you look at somebody like Greg
16:17
Abbott, my governor, and his
solution, his solution is to
16:20
basically say, Hey, we're gonna
kill people that are trying to
16:22
come in, like, that's not a
solution, like the Republicans
16:25
don't have the solutions. They
want to continue to defund the
16:29
aid that is going to aid but
they're border security. Well, I
16:35
mean, who's gonna sign up for
this job and you're not paying
16:39
worth anything?
16:40
Adam Curry: She's dumb. All
right. She represents the state
16:43
of Texas.
16:45
John C Dvorak: Boy, she is.
She's
16:47
Adam Curry: dumb. Here's Jaya
Paul, who is it was very
16:53
concerned that you know, because
there's, there's work going on.
16:57
Now. Remember, the whole idea is
no aid for Ukraine, no aid for
17:01
Israel aid. This is called aid,
no bombs for Israel, no bombs
17:06
for Ukraine. And Toby, fix the
border? Well, Joe, better not do
17:11
that. That question that you get
from the left. If he doesn't
17:13
agree to these changes. He's
17:15
Unknown: gonna there's going to
be a lot. We have to put
17:18
together a coalition that is the
same coalition we delivered in
17:22
2020. For him to win the White
House for us to win the Senate.
17:26
And for us to kick back the
House. And that coalition
17:29
involves a lot of young voters.
It involves a lot of immigrant
17:33
voters involves a lot of folks
of color.
17:37
Adam Curry: Immigrant voters,
yeah, yeah. Oh, she said the
17:41
quiet part out loud there,
didn't she? We need immigrant
17:44
voters, but almost almost as
stupid. As Debbie Dingell. What
17:49
a great name. I like the angle
Debbie Dingell. I feel bad. She
17:54
wants waves put
17:56
Unknown: us your response when
he says that the border is
17:59
broken under President Biden
orders been broken was broken
18:02
under Donald Trump as well. Or
immigration reform. We need a
18:06
comprehensive immigration reform
for decades. Let me also say
18:11
you've got small business
clamoring for people we've
18:14
talked caregiving, which is in
desperate shape, and we need to
18:17
bring some ways people need to
be we don't want illegals. We
18:21
don't want other people coming
in. We don't want drugs coming
18:25
across our border. We need a
balanced comprehensive
18:28
immigration policy.
18:30
Adam Curry: Okay, first of all,
whenever someone when someone
18:32
says comprehensive immigration
reform, they're full of crap,
18:35
because all you need to do is
just follow the law as it is.
18:38
But she literally sits there and
says we need caregivers. We need
18:41
Maria to take care of our kids.
18:43
Unknown: Come on. Yeah,
18:44
Adam Curry: I mean, gardeners,
gardeners, yes, please. More
18:46
slabs.
18:47
John C Dvorak: And we need who's
going to take care who's going
18:49
to clean our toilets? Yeah. One
of the ladies on the views.
18:53
Adam Curry: Do we still have
that clip? I wonder who
18:56
John C Dvorak: know it was I
think it was sunny Hostin who
18:59
said that. I'm going to be there
Navarro.
19:04
Adam Curry: I wonder if we have
that. I can't find it offhand.
19:07
Anyway. Now we have, oh, this is
another Jim, Becca Baylands.
19:13
balance balance. Well,
obviously, it's obvious what's
19:16
going on here.
19:17
Unknown: So we've got the
situation here, where speaker
19:21
Johnson is not somebody who has
seriousness of purpose. He
19:24
doesn't understand the stakes.
When you pull out 40,000 feet,
19:28
you see someone that is
essentially doing who is
19:31
bidding. It's
19:32
Adam Curry: doing potent work,
okay. He's doing Putin's
19:37
bidding. Yes, yes. These she has
a good term in here that we've
19:43
Unknown: got a situation here
where speaker Johnson is not
19:47
somebody who has seriousness of
purpose. He doesn't he
19:50
Adam Curry: doesn't have
seriousness of purpose, whatever
19:52
that means. i It's DC gobbly
gook. And then of course,
19:58
another Democrat. representative
from the great state of Texas,
20:01
Joaquin Castro,
20:03
Unknown: I want to speak quickly
to the Democrats in the Senate
20:07
and others who are considering
supporting this proposal. If you
20:12
do so, you will be surrendering
to right wing racism. There it
20:16
is. And more than that, you will
be enabling it.
20:18
Adam Curry: Yes. Racist. Oh, and
rolling it even Yes, racism. Now
20:22
this is this not I do have an
issue myself with the idea of
20:28
show me your papers. Because
then this has happened to me in
20:32
Texas. We discussed that many
years ago, when I drove from
20:36
California, when I fled
California to Texas, within 100
20:40
miles of the border this
checkpoints, show me your papers
20:44
was is not cool. I don't like
the idea. I think that's a bad
20:48
way to to solve this. You know,
obviously, the federal
20:53
government needs to not allow
people in anymore at these non
20:57
non approved crossings, it just
has to stop the laws are on the
21:01
books. Just stop, stop, stop. So
21:04
John C Dvorak: I don't
understand this. Show me your
21:06
papers and obviously didn't
work?
21:09
Adam Curry: Well, no, because,
well, it works to some degree.
21:13
But it was still. The catch and
release is the policy. That's
21:19
what's changed. It's the policy,
not the law. The law is no you
21:22
can't come in. And if you just
can't be if you don't have the
21:26
right paperwork. And by the way,
you also need all kinds of
21:30
vaccinations to emigrate to, or
at least proof of vaccinations
21:33
to immigrate to America, but I
know this process, but this
21:36
racism part. Ah, that's the one
that's catching fire. I don't
21:41
watch sports ball TV. But
Stephen A Smith, I believe he's
21:44
using ESPN guy. Yeah, yeah.
Well, of course, ESPN is where
21:50
you go to hear about politics.
21:51
Unknown: Greg Abbott, you ever
heard of him? He's the governor
21:54
for the state of Texas on
Monday, that governor Governor
21:59
Abbott signed a bill into law
that will allow the police to
22:03
arrest migrants who entered the
US illegally. This law which
22:08
takes effect in March allows any
Texas law enforcement officer to
22:15
arrest people who are suspected
of entering the country.
22:23
illegally. That's what we're
going to do to our Latino
22:26
brothers and sisters. It's
racist. Somebody needs to say it
22:32
so I'm gonna say it's a racist
as thing to do. suspicion.
22:40
Suspect suspected of entering
the country illegally, how can
22:45
you be suspected of entering the
country illegally? So you
22:48
chillin in downtown Dallas, or
Houston? You hanging out with a
22:54
bunch of folks, you're speaking
Spanish instead English. Your
23:00
clothes might not be a Tom Ford
suit or something. You might not
23:04
be wearing a Jordan sweat suit.
You might look a little poor and
23:09
impoverished, a bit heading
haggard, you're haphazard. Those
23:13
things might you might not look
the part. That's a suspicion.
23:17
They can literally labeled that
as suspicion to justify
23:21
arresting you not questioning
you. Not asking for an ID. They
23:27
literally can arrest you. What a
disgrace. And the thing, I love
23:32
this state from the standpoint
that it's got no state income
23:35
taxes. You got beautiful cities
like Dallas and Houston and
23:38
Austin, Texas. I'm looking
forward to being in the city
23:42
like that someday. And then I
see a governor like this doing
23:44
this kind of nonsense. It's a
damn disgrace. It really really
23:48
is.
23:49
Adam Curry: Calm down, calm
down. It was also quite racist.
23:52
John C Dvorak: Make this make
one thing clear, since you don't
23:55
watch sports ball. He's a
representative of the Walt
23:58
Disney Company.
24:01
Adam Curry: Well, that's ESPN
bspa Is is owned by Disney.
24:06
John C Dvorak: This very racy
Disney for giving us politics in
24:10
the middle of what we what we
care about, which is sports.
24:13
Adam Curry: He he's racist,
because it's Chinese. It's
24:16
Africans as a lot of it's not
just brown people coming across
24:20
the border, okay. But those days
are over. It is kind of over.
24:25
So, so they're there. Now, I
figured all of a sudden they hit
24:29
me. I'm like, so of course this
bill is going to be challenged.
24:33
But of course, that won't
happen. But I can see where they
24:36
can do the stash houses. Yeah,
that'll probably that'll
24:38
probably stay okay. But this is
all politics. And it both
24:43
parties are against you and me
going against Americans. Chuck
24:48
Schumer is like, yeah, we got to
do this. Yeah, we got to figure
24:51
this one out. With the minute
you get Lindsey Graham, who kick
24:55
this off saying no, I'm not
gonna until we get some border
24:58
stuff. We gotta get the border.
That was a that was a tip off
25:02
that something is up. So when I
see Chuck Schumer saying, Yeah,
25:08
we got to we got to do this. So
now instead of just saying,
25:12
adhere to the policy, we already
have stopped people from coming
25:15
in. But no, there's a bill.
There's a bill. And I don't know
25:20
if this is going to be the final
bill. But this is what Chuck
25:22
Schumer has been working on. I'm
going to read from some papers
25:26
that he has filed. He's even put
this in previous legislation.
25:31
And this is what they really
want. This is why both parties
25:34
want this somehow magically.
This will prohibit the Secretary
25:39
of Homeland Security from
processing applications for
25:42
registered provisional immigrant
status. This is the RPi until
25:47
the secretary submitted to
Congress the notice of
25:49
commencement of implementation
of the comprehensive southern
25:53
border security strategy, and
the southern border fencing
25:57
strategy. So here we go. The
comprehensive southern border
26:02
security strategy includes the
minimum technological
26:07
requirements specified, so
they're gonna do all kinds of
26:11
Get ready as little robots Yeah,
get ready for the money, money,
26:15
money, money, money, money. The
southern border fencing strategy
26:20
will include no fewer than 700
miles of pedestrian fencing.
26:25
Hello, wall. Thanks, Democrats
are fighting Trump on that. But
26:29
here's the one, a mandatory
employment verification system
26:34
to be used by all employers to
prevent unauthorized workers
26:38
from attaining us employment.
They've been trying this for
26:42
years, this is your universal
ID. This is everyone has to have
26:46
one. You can't work without your
papers. Without your Shami, your
26:50
official ID. This is what they
want both parties. In addition,
26:56
the mandatory exit data system,
another thing they've been
27:00
wanting for decades. We want to
know when you come in, we want
27:03
to know when you leave, we want
to stop you from leaving you
27:06
slaves. These people are
horrible. In addition to that
27:11
38,405 new full train full time
active duty US Border Patrol
27:17
agents, probably for more
processing. They don't care.
27:23
They want slaves to do to clean
your toilet. They want slaves to
27:28
look after your kids to look
after their own kids. They want
27:31
slaves to come in and vote
Democrat preferably but they'll
27:34
take Republicans will take it.
They want you to have papers
27:38
they want they are they are just
making a big deal a big show.
27:44
And they're abusing these these
people who had been told to come
27:48
on to America. It's great. And
and they've done the same thing
27:53
in Europe. This thing, this is a
global issue. It's and by the
27:59
way, it's called the migration
replacement strategy. It was
28:03
United Nations strategy we you
can find it the document in the
28:06
show notes implemented in 2000.
written up everyone's like,
28:10
Okay, this is great. Replacing
people in Western countries,
28:15
with people from other
countries. This has always been
28:17
the idea always been the
strategy and the EU oil oh,
28:22
we're all against it. Yeah, this
is no good. But now, now we have
28:26
a new deal for the European
Union.
28:28
Unknown: The content of this
compromise today paves the way
28:33
for a really a reinforcement of
the controls at the borders,
28:38
which means that even families
comprising children could be put
28:43
into closed centers in order for
their asylum requests to be
28:48
processed. So far, so good. The
other thing is that will now be
28:53
a eu wide asylum procedure,
putting aside all the national
28:59
asylum laws, which are taking in
which are in effect today. The
29:04
other thing is also that there
will be and that is the real
29:08
stepping stone of this
agreement. There will be a
29:12
common approach on the
solidarity in case of a massive
29:16
influx of migrants of
solidarity,
29:20
Adam Curry: just in case just in
case. There's a massive influx
29:24
of migrants on the off chance
that might happen. They're
29:27
planning this on
29:29
Unknown: the solidarity in case
of a massive influx of migrants,
29:33
there will be compulsory
solidarity, meaning that EU
29:37
member states even those which
have no access to an external
29:41
border of the EU will have
either to taking asylum seekers
29:46
have to provide with a financial
contribution. financial
29:50
agreement has been reached
within this compromise. So
29:54
Adam Curry: you will take
migrants every single country in
29:57
the EU doesn't matter when they
come in. We are solidarity now
30:01
all you got to pay wages to give
a pay. This is crazy. The whole
30:06
world has gone nuts. And that
30:08
Unknown: is a main point here.
The point being obviously this
30:12
is a trade in a trade off. The
other point being that the
30:16
external borders are going to be
heavily reinforced.
30:20
Adam Curry: So it's it's come on
in everybody. Come on over,
30:24
you'll be able to find lots of
countries where you will be
30:27
placed. This is the elites they
don't care.
30:34
John C Dvorak: The safe mobility
they're not doing this in Asia
30:37
by any means. No, even though
they could because China's
30:41
having a population issue with
the aging public. So what do
30:49
they hope to accomplish? What's
what is the what is the endgame
30:52
here? Okay, just to replace all
whities with everything under
30:57
the sun and then enslave them
because the I guess the what the
31:02
the Texas hill country folk
won't be rode do what they're
31:07
told. We
31:08
Adam Curry: go back to the
former New York banker. Every
31:12
single person they can add, they
can print more money, they want
31:15
to print more money, they want
universal basic income. And yes,
31:19
they want obedient workers
obedient workers. Of course,
31:24
keep the cost down of
everything, keep people
31:27
obedient, keep them in limbo for
as long as possible. And, and we
31:32
beat China as long as we've
we've already we've already
31:36
castrated our children. We've
scared everybody with climate
31:40
change. We have to keep growing.
So we might as well get someone
31:42
in the United Nations Office of
immigration migration has a safe
31:55
mobility initiative. And they
will help you they and you can
32:00
sign right up on the website. We
have Cubans Haitians,
32:03
Venezuelans in Colombia if you
if you want to travel safely and
32:10
lawfully to the United States,
we have a program for that
32:13
Nicaraguan Venezuelan nationals
in Costa Rica. If you got there
32:17
before June 12. We can help you
move safely into the United
32:20
States of Costa Rica. Then we
have Cubans Haitians
32:22
Nicaraguans, Venezuelans
Colombians in Ecuador on or
32:25
before October 18 2023. No
problem we'll bring you in
32:30
Guatemala nationals if you're in
Guatemala, we can help you
32:34
travel safely and lawfully to
the United States. These are our
32:38
own people against us. Yeah, and
I know it sounds
32:43
counterintuitive, but they're
they just see us all as pawns
32:47
peons you know as numbers. So
yes, that's the idea.
32:58
John C Dvorak: Well, that's
enlightening report. Lift a for
33:02
Christmas spirit, your Christmas
spirit must be flying high.
33:07
Adam Curry: So along with this,
of course, we have to my
33:11
Christmas spirit is is very
high. Along with this comes, you
33:17
know, the obvious we have to
make everything about the the
33:21
far right. This is this, this
whole thing is very irksome. The
33:27
far right of everything is the
far right. And me see the news
33:33
agents. So this was the report
in in the UK, the news ages, I'd
33:40
like this podcast. These are
very well established, very well
33:44
known mainstream journalists.
And they do their own podcast
33:47
very popular. What's the name of
it? The news agents. We've
33:50
talked about it before. The news
agency is huge, very popular
33:54
podcast. And they're the people
who have interviewed all the
33:57
heads of state and to do kind of
like a newsroom type thing. So
34:00
now here it is. The news agents
investigate the rise of the far
34:05
right.
34:07
Unknown: News agents
investigates.
34:16
My comments no surprise for the
far right have won the elections
34:19
in Italy. The
34:20
Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor
Orban has secured a fourth
34:23
consecutive landslide election
victory. Europe's
34:27
nationalist wave has arrived in
Spain.
34:31
Marine LePen has perhaps never
been as close to power. The
34:34
latest polls indicate
34:35
this year's poll has been shaken
up by a surge in popularity of
34:39
the Euro skeptic and for right
Sweden and democratic movement.
34:44
Something is stirring across
Europe during tonic change to
34:49
our politics to where the
balance of our politics sits.
34:53
From the Netherlands to Italy to
France to Germany to Ireland,
34:57
the UK, Hungary beyond radical
Both elements of the right even
35:01
far right once consigned to the
fringes of political life, our
35:06
growing growing number in
Parliament's in power, we are
35:09
not just for power, the sort of
power you get from winning
35:12
elections, though they're
winning plenty of those. It's
35:14
the power to shape how we think
the power to channel the online
35:18
world, the power to move the
center of political debate, to
35:22
the point where they don't even
seem extreme anymore, that they
35:25
become normal or mainstream when
they're neither. On this episode
35:30
of the news agents investigate
the rise of the far right, the
35:33
collapse of the center. Why
liberal democracy is under
35:36
siege. It's
35:38
Adam Curry: under siege. How
about this? How about was this a
35:42
John C Dvorak: good podcast? It
sounds like a melodramatic piece
35:45
of crap. Well,
35:47
Adam Curry: depends on who's
listening to it. Yeah. But these
35:51
this is the establishment that's
what you're hearing the
35:53
establishment is is incensed
that out they outraged we can't
35:57
believe the far right is, you
know, like normal people who are
36:01
like, Hey, we're sick of this
crap. We're sick of it. We're
36:04
sick of it. We don't want it
anymore. We're sick of all of
36:07
you. And then you get the fringe
far, right? Yeah. Now, they'll
36:14
fight it every single step of
the way. Of course, there's just
36:18
it's, it's these
36:20
John C Dvorak: these is what was
once called useful idiots.
36:24
During the communist era,
they're still out there doing
36:27
the bidding of people that whose
whose best interest they're not
36:32
in the best interest of the
people actually doing these
36:34
sorts of reporting. In other
words, you know, you're selling
36:38
yourself out. Yeah, for all
practical purposes with some of
36:41
this bull crap. And if Okay,
36:44
Adam Curry: and of course, when
it comes to immigration, we we
36:47
can't leave out former President
Trump. Because remember, he is
36:52
Hitler. Because because it
worked so well in 2015, calling
36:56
him Hitler that really stopped
people from voting for him. So
36:59
let's do it again. Now, we do
have a little twist, because
37:03
President Trump is now
explaining he splaining what
37:06
he's meant by poisoning of the
blood. He's changed it to point
37:10
poisoning the country. But I
mean, come on people, former
37:13
Unknown: President Trump
continues to use fascist
37:17
language, that dehumanizes
immigrants. Here's what he said
37:22
last night in Iowa.
37:24
We have no idea who any of them
are. They come from Africa. They
37:29
come from Asia. They come from
South America. And it's true
37:34
that destroying the blood of our
country, that's what they're
37:37
doing. They're destroying our
country. They don't like it when
37:40
I said that. And I never read
minecon they sit in a much
37:46
different way. Now they're
coming from all over the world,
37:49
people all over the world. We
have no idea. They could be
37:52
healthy, they could be very
unhealthy. They could bring in
37:55
disease that's going to catch on
in our country, but they do
37:58
bring in crime. But they have
him coming from all over the
38:02
world. And they're destroying
the blood of our country that
38:05
destroying the fabric of our
country. And we're gonna have to
38:10
get him out.
38:11
Adam Curry: He's a fascist,
fascist language, which
38:15
according to Jake Tapper is
doing something completely
38:18
different. What else works so
well in 20 with throughout his
38:22
entire presidency, was another
thing that the media did.
38:26
Russia. Was it Russia? I think
it was Russia. Let's see if we
38:29
can be
38:30
John C Dvorak: Russia's
involved. Yeah, I
38:31
Adam Curry: think Hello.
38:35
Unknown: Listen to this. Hello.
I'm Jake Tapper in Washington,
38:38
where the state of our union is
frankly, stunned. Stop watching
38:42
the leading Republican
presidential candidate Donald
38:44
Trump. quote one of our nation's
foremost adversaries Oh, no,
38:48
remember Putin as a sort of
character witness while on the
38:52
stock in New Hampshire last
38:53
Adam Curry: night. Oh, no.
38:58
Unknown: of Russia says that
Biden's and this is a quote
39:01
politically motivated
persecution of his political
39:04
rival is very good for Russia
because it shows the rottenness
39:07
of the American political
system, which cannot pretend to
39:11
teach others about democracy.
39:15
One might think such a point
need not be made. But what?
39:21
Adam Curry: What Jake Tapper,
okay, he's right, but you don't
39:25
have to say it out loud.
39:27
Unknown: Wow. One might think
such a point need not be made.
39:31
But, but Lattimer Putin, a
former KGB official. Besides
39:38
with American He's a war
criminal adversaries both
39:41
rhetorically and with arms, and
who right now has at least two
39:45
Americans Evan Grishko. Butch
and Paul Whelan unjustly
39:49
detained. Vladimir Putin is not
a credible source of information
39:54
about American democracy know
much less American
39:57
jurisprudence. Vladimir Putin
seeks to undermined the United
40:01
States and its allies, whether
in Europe or Asia or the Middle
40:03
East. He's undermining. Despite
this or maybe by now because of
40:07
it, I can no longer tell. Mr.
Trump stands poised to do very
40:10
well in the Republican Iowa
caucuses on January 15. In less
40:13
than a month he has only
expanded his lead
40:15
Adam Curry: go unless unless he
gets kicked off of the ballot in
40:19
Colorado. This This really makes
us look good internationally.
40:24
This is good. This thing people
in in Colorado Are you Are you
40:33
not a little mad about this?
40:35
John C Dvorak: Hey there bunch
of Democrats Colorado's
40:38
ridiculously blue, I have a mini
cut of the Colorado some some
40:43
people talking heads discussing
this.
40:45
Unknown: This is not a crazy
thing for democracy to do. It's
40:48
very much like the reasoning of
the conservative legal
40:52
community.
40:53
The conservatives on the Supreme
Court who usually go on and on
40:57
and on about states rights are
40:59
hypocrites. He was an enemy of
the Constitution, simply a plain
41:03
reading of the US Constitution.
41:05
This is not partisan. This is
about applying historic
41:08
principles. What do you say
41:09
to the to the Republican
candidates argument that
41:13
this should be the voters should
have the say and
41:15
not the courts?
41:17
Adam Curry: Why are you standing
with Confederate veterans
41:22
Unknown: betrayed this country?
41:24
Adam Curry: Oh, that's great.
Okay, I got a couple of clips
41:26
here. This is MSNBC filed
41:29
Unknown: from the historic
Colorado Supreme Court ruling
41:31
continues this morning. One day
after the panel of judges there
41:35
ruled that Donald Trump was
disqualified from the state's
41:38
2024 primary ballot because of
his role in the January 6 attack
41:42
on the Capitol. President Biden
made his first remarks about the
41:46
decision in the lock yesterday.
The President initially refused
41:49
to comment. But he did say this
when asked if Trump supported an
41:53
insurrection?
41:54
Well, I think it's self evident
whether the fortune five will
42:00
have to coordinate that
decision, but he certainly
42:02
supported insurrection. And no
question about zero seems to be
42:10
doubling down on anyway. I've
got to go through this.
42:13
Adam Curry: Anyway, I gotta go
see if I can walk up the steps
42:16
from our constitutional lawyer
technical analysis, which is
42:19
always handy to have so you can
look smarter the water cooler.
42:23
The Colorado Supreme Court has
stayed its decision ie put it on
42:26
ice, because it knows Trump will
seek cert to your certiorari,
42:32
certiorari, which I think is
something from Star Trek. The
42:36
State last through January
4 2024. But it automatically
42:40
extends if Trump files a cert
petition, which he said he will
42:44
do. Once the petition is on
file. It remains in place until
42:47
the Supreme Court of the US
either denies the cert or
42:51
accepts the case and rules on
the merits. Our constitutional
42:55
lawyer says I think Trump is
likely to persuade four justices
42:58
to grant cert. But who knows if
he does, then the state will
43:02
remain in place as long as the
case remains pending. Meanwhile,
43:05
the Colorado Secretary of State
must keep Trump on the primary
43:09
ballot. The primary happens
March 5 2024. So if Trump can
43:13
run the clock out for two and a
half months, and if the Supreme
43:16
Court of the US grants assert,
which seems likely he can render
43:19
the whole thing moot, the
Colorado Supreme Court justices
43:23
likely foresaw this and just
wanted to get their thoughts on
43:25
paper. So again, performative
nothing to worry about nothing
43:30
to see here. But of course, we
have New York trying to do this
43:35
a couple other states. These
people are stupid. Do they think
43:41
that this will not only make
people more for Trump?
43:46
John C Dvorak: They don't
understand the mechanism. This
43:49
Adam Curry: they certainly don't
they think, but this is kind of
43:52
the arrogance of the elites in
our country. But you know, we
43:58
know how to do the legal system.
People in America are sick and
44:01
tired of the legal system.
They're sick and tired of the
44:04
IRS. They're sick and tired of
being badgered sick and tired of
44:07
everything and then you just got
to get this guy back in office.
44:13
And then trust me the
Republicans are going to cheat
44:16
like crazy this election they're
gonna cheat cheat cheat like
44:20
everyone else tell everybody
44:21
John C Dvorak: the both sides
are gonna cheat. Of course they
44:23
change who's the better cheater
I still think is the Democrats.
44:27
I think they're more competent
at it they have more machinery
44:30
they had the machine it was
called a machine machine you're
44:33
talking about the machine in
Chicago for example always gets
44:36
Democrats in it says the machine
is literally a machine is
44:40
mechanism that works to get
these votes into the into play
44:44
Adam Curry: here is that I have
two clips here. an expert's an
44:48
American expert explains the
14th amendment on France 24. The
44:53
14th
44:54
Unknown: amendment was passed in
the wake of the Civil War, which
44:58
as a Everybody, more or less
nose was fought between the
45:04
states in the war succession.
It's literally called in the
45:06
French translation of it,
because half the country, more
45:11
or less the southern states
wanted to secede from the Union,
45:14
because they objected to notably
the institution of slavery being
45:19
banned at the federal level. So
after that, when the cut when
45:24
the North one in the country was
reunified, the South was
45:27
considered traitorous. They were
insurrectionists. I mean, these
45:30
very people that were now
seeking to come back into public
45:34
office, were had had been
literally killing Union soldiers
45:40
and civilians during the war.
And they had been proclaiming
45:43
that there should no longer be a
United States, at least that
45:46
they wanted to be part of in the
way that was envisioned in the
45:50
constitution. So this was a huge
issue. And the Congress led the
45:55
efforts to pass a constitutional
amendment, the 14th Amendment,
45:58
which has several sections, but
the one we're talking about
46:01
here, section three notably
says, Look, if you have this,
46:07
you know, that's what it says,
look into the one we're talking
46:11
about here. Section three
notably says, Look, if you have
46:16
previously been an official, in
the United States government and
46:20
sworn an oath to uphold the
Constitution, and then violated
46:24
that constitution, you cannot
return to government. So in
46:28
other words, Jefferson Davis,
for example, who was the
46:31
president of the Confederacy,
had he had it in his mind, of
46:35
course, at the time, that would
have been considered crazy, but
46:37
say he had taken it in his head
to become president united
46:40
states and run against Lincoln
or Ulysses S Grant or whoever,
46:45
he would have been banned by
this provision. And in fact,
46:48
several people running for
Congress were banned by it. So
46:51
this is what we're talking
about. This is the provision of
46:53
the Constitution that's at issue
here.
46:55
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry,
actually, actually slightly
46:57
wrong. Of course, most analysis
course it's slightly wrong,
47:01
which is that you can run as the
President's not not,
47:06
Adam Curry: he's not mentioned
the President is not mentioned.
47:08
And so as I say, sort
47:10
John C Dvorak: of what could
happen, you know, Jefferson
47:12
Davis, or whoever it was, could
could actually run for
47:14
presidency
47:15
Adam Curry: here. I have one
more. This is an analysis from
47:19
Mike Davis. He is from the
Article Three project, which who
47:23
knew, who knew, all of a sudden
there's an art and he's on the
47:28
Steve Bannon war room, so says
enough,
47:30
Unknown: and they just decreed
that that President Trump
47:33
somehow committed an
insurrection. And so therefore,
47:37
they're gonna throw him off the
ballot. And that is not what the
47:39
controlling case law says. It's
very clear if you want to
47:43
disqualify an officer of the
United States, based upon
47:48
insurrection or rebellion, you
have to charge him under the
47:51
federal criminal statute for
insurrection or rebellion passed
47:55
pursuant to section three of the
14th Amendment back in 1869. You
48:00
have to have a grand jury indict
a jury unanimously convicts with
48:04
evidence beyond a reasonable
doubt find guilty with evidence
48:07
beyond the reasonable doubt. The
judge has to convict and that
48:10
conviction has to be upheld on
appeal. That is the only way you
48:13
can disqualify under section
three of the 14th Amendment. The
48:15
Supreme Court of the United
States needs to not take Jack
48:20
Smith cert before judgment case,
which is just complete nonsense.
48:24
And they need to save room on
their dockets. For this Colorado
48:27
Supreme Court case.
48:29
Adam Curry: It's all bull crap.
So it's totally stupid. None of
48:32
this will get through another.
So
48:34
John C Dvorak: going, going back
to your, your wonderment as to
48:39
what are these people? Are they
fooling themselves to think that
48:42
this isn't going to backfire? I
want to play I have very short
48:46
like 17 second clip, which might
give you some indication of
48:50
where these people are at this
is airy Melber Gah,
48:54
Adam Curry: Ari Ari, Barry
Silbert the newest model who
48:59
quotes Hip Hop lyrics. And so
49:02
John C Dvorak: just see if you
can catch the little little
49:05
indicator within this very
short. This is just a clip of a
49:09
clip, just saving cash the
indicator in here that these
49:12
people are delusional, vacant,
49:14
Unknown: if past is prologue,
then Kevin McCarthy's very
49:19
recent past shows you both where
the Republican Party is headed
49:22
and many people think
potentially into a wall if it
49:26
has no adjustment process for
what remains a very unpopular
49:29
and indicted former president.
49:32
Adam Curry: Well, I have no idea
what he just said.
49:36
John C Dvorak: He's just yakking
away about somebody but he's,
49:38
but he says he's talking about
the Republican Party's
49:41
direction. And he says they're
hitting a wall because they're
49:44
they're backing a very unpopular
listen to it again. He says a
49:49
very unpopular former president
vacant
49:53
Unknown: if past is prologue.
Then Kevin McCarthy's very
49:57
recent past shows you both were
the Republic One party is headed
50:00
and many people think,
potentially into a wall if it
50:04
has no adjustment process for
what remains a very unpopular
50:08
and indicted former president.
50:11
Adam Curry: And indicted you
forgot to mention that and that
50:14
in indicted, yes, TWICE, TWICE
impeached, he's usually he
50:19
missed a whole bunch of stuff.
But
50:21
John C Dvorak: he was it's but
it's just as delusional vision
50:27
of the world. That is that the
entire crew at MSNBC, CNN and,
50:35
and a lot of the news media that
print media in particular,
50:38
they're all this way. And
they're now they're coming out
50:41
of the woodwork. I don't, I
could probably I should have
50:43
gotten some clips of this. But
they had a classic PBS newshour
50:48
situation where there were the
news media had the editor of The
50:54
Atlantic and then to
counterbalance him they had New
50:57
York College in New York. I
can't remember the name of this
51:03
journal erosion was Jay Rosen,
Jay Rosen, and this guy, there's
51:08
no balance whatsoever, no other
side there. And they're both
51:11
advocating, which I've been
seeing tons of on social media,
51:16
all these journalists saying
it's time we we can't be
51:19
objective anymore. Because our
democracy is at risk. We must
51:23
stop this nonsense of
objectivity when no democracy is
51:28
at risk. And we must, we must
express our opinion. We talked
51:32
about this in the last show a
little bit. And this has gotten
51:35
out of control, because these
people are completely insane.
51:39
Adam Curry: And that's it. They
they come from a place which was
51:43
not that long ago, where and I
would say this is part of the
51:47
reason for the anger with Elon
Musk. They come from a place
51:51
where they controlled the
message. And they they truly
51:55
that journalist in particular,
they felt they were in control.
51:59
We determined what you know,
we're New York Times that you
52:03
can see the arrogance of of the
reporters and what's that?
52:07
What's that dipshits name?
Lorenz Taylor Lorenz, you know,
52:10
the minute someone got on her
face, she starts crying. Now,
52:15
because we are in control of the
message you we know better, we
52:20
know better. We're the elites.
And they've promised
52:24
John C Dvorak: they're not the
elites, to journalists of this
52:27
country or anything, but the
elites, they're just their pass
52:31
through. useful idiots pass
through stooges.
52:35
Adam Curry: stooges pass through
stooges. Yeah, so so. And, but
52:43
of course, when everything's out
of control, we know everything's
52:48
out of control. There's, there's
no one's in charge anymore. It's
52:52
every man for himself on x.
Everybody's fighting and yelling
52:58
and everyone knows better and
just there because everyone
53:03
thinks oh, you know, if if Trump
becomes president, that goes
53:07
with democracy and the other
side if Trump becomes president,
53:09
he'll fix everything. Yeah.
Dream on. Yeah. Dream on your
53:14
will be of course, no, of course
not. And then as a as the big
53:18
meme, the big meme, everybody
hears the big meme. Oh, yeah.
53:22
You know what? They're all
afraid. We may
53:24
Unknown: soon learn the
identities of more people
53:27
connected to Jeffrey Epstein and
more than 150 names, which were
53:33
previously withheld. They
include witnesses and victims in
53:37
the civil case against Carlene
Maxwell, who is currently
53:40
serving 20 years in prison for
being Epstein's accomplice in
53:44
sex trafficking. The list also
includes some of Epstein's
53:47
former employees. Epstein, a
wealthy and well connected
53:51
financier was indicted in 2019.
For a scheme of involving
53:55
underage girls. He later took
his own life in jail before he
53:59
could be tried. I wonder
54:01
how many men Michelle was
sitting at home right now going
54:03
overload? And women Yeah, and
women to women as well. It's a
54:07
terrible story.
54:10
Adam Curry: Now that was
interesting. That was
54:12
interesting that she threw in
the women thing this is Gail.
54:16
You know, because we're, we can
probably expect Oprah to be on
54:20
this list if anything ever gets
published if if if if the as
54:24
Oprah was was hanging out with
Jeffrey Epstein, too. And then
54:27
so this this colleague throws in
and women, Gail, then women just
54:33
so you know. What, what is this?
What is this list of clients
54:38
what does that mean? client
doesn't
54:40
John C Dvorak: mean anything up
I don't know why they don't
54:42
publish the list. Just let let
let it hit the fan. And so what
54:47
it doesn't prove anything. I
mean, this like the Yeah, and I
54:51
I'm not one here too. We got to
Bill Gates doesn't need my help
54:55
to defend himself. But this
latest thing always was there's
54:59
a picture of him with some am
woman. And so I went back and I
55:03
said picture with it. Sorry,
there was actually an article.
55:06
In a Russian I think that's
buttoning, but one of the
55:09
Russian magazines with Bill
Gates with a bunch of different
55:12
women, many of them Epstein,
women, but it's just like, I
55:17
didn't want to say that he did
this or that. And I suspect he
55:21
probably had some fun with a
couple of them. But you can't
55:25
prove anything. If you're a
celebrity at that. Like if
55:27
you're a multi billionaire, one
of the richest people in the
55:30
world, people are gonna want to
have their picture taken with
55:33
you. Yes. Lots of them. You
could there's probably 1000s of
55:37
people that Bill couldn't
identify in a million years.
55:40
Always cozied up next to him.
Women, men, ladies, girls,
55:46
everything in between
55:47
Adam Curry: knowing why you know
what it shows above all,
55:49
particularly this airplane and
when I hear RFK Jr. Like, yeah,
55:53
you know, my wife at the time
thing was Mary. She was friends
55:58
with Jess lane. And we have
these people they're like, hey,
56:03
oh, you need a ride. Just take
my jet. When have you gotten
56:06
that offer? was last time
someone said to you Hey, John.
56:09
Oh, you need to go visit just
grab my jet no problem. They're
56:13
in a club that we are very far
from
56:18
John C Dvorak: I know people in
that club and I don't know that
56:20
they do that.
56:22
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, there's
there's courtesies like because
56:25
jets are I
56:26
John C Dvorak: think at the high
end if you have a jet and I have
56:29
a jet then you swap each other's
jets I get it's like the people
56:33
who go friend of mine was is
involved with these kind of
56:38
circles where people Oh, come on
over. Come to the mansion out
56:42
the Hamptons. We got a room for
you can stay for a month.
56:44
Adam Curry: I'll send the jet.
56:47
John C Dvorak: Jet. Now that's a
little Okay. Well, we were
56:50
definitely not in that category.
No,
56:52
Adam Curry: we're not. We're not
in the mansion state dimension
56:54
category either. No,
56:56
John C Dvorak: no, you want to
stay at the house. Maybe for a
56:58
day. Can't you find a hotel?
Something new? You
57:01
Adam Curry: wouldn't even let me
see your office when I came
57:03
John C Dvorak: to visit? The
office is off limits limits.
57:08
Yeah, so that's kind of when
anyone putting a bug in this
57:12
office. That's the reason
57:13
Adam Curry: that's me. Oh, yeah.
But you don't trust me your
57:15
partner for 16 years? Yeah,
57:18
John C Dvorak: you gotta get
your line somewhere. Meanwhile,
57:21
Adam Curry: no one talks about
the FDIC parties. You've been
57:24
following that story, which won,
that the FDIC under leadership
57:32
of Chairman Greenberg, that this
does go back a couple of years.
57:39
John C Dvorak: But he talked
about FDIC price some time ago.
57:43
Adam Curry: Well, new reports of
misconduct. In 2020, the
57:47
agency's inspector general
published a report of sexual
57:50
harassment that revealed that at
least 191 FDIC employees
57:54
experienced sexual harassment
between January of 2015 and
57:58
April of 2019. This included let
me see I have some of these
58:04
here. They had parties and
people be groping each other.
58:10
No, go to the party. You can't
but it's the FDIC. This is a
58:14
government
58:15
John C Dvorak: makes no sense.
It was like you know, Nepal
58:18
autonomous operation which had a
bunch of sexual harassment for
58:22
the women against men. Yeah. And
against the other women. Yeah,
58:26
yeah.
58:29
Adam Curry: We're just, well,
these
58:31
John C Dvorak: people are bored.
Let's face it. Now that this
58:33
already is invite parties invite
this sort of behavior. I hate to
58:37
tell you.
58:39
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, x x is
under Investec. subrogation.
58:43
Elon
58:44
Unknown: Musk's social media
platform x the former Twitter is
58:47
now under investigation by the
European Union. The EU says it's
58:51
focused on whether the company
has done enough to stop the
58:54
spread of illegal content
illegal first and such
58:57
investigation under new
regulations aimed at hate speech
59:00
and misinformation. Yes,
59:02
Adam Curry: that Europe is going
well everybody the hate speech
59:07
and misinformation is on deck in
Europe. I gotta get my daughter
59:12
out of there. I'm gonna have to
talk to her about this.
59:16
John C Dvorak: She really does
she enjoy living in Rotterdam
59:19
it's a it's a you know a nice
country beautiful place you mean
59:23
where
59:24
Adam Curry: the where they had
terrorists. They arrested ready
59:28
to kill Jews that that
Rotterdam.
59:31
John C Dvorak: You have terror
terrorists arrested ready to
59:34
kill Jews in this country?
59:36
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
59:39
John C Dvorak: Don't move to New
York, whatever you do.
59:42
Adam Curry: We should probably
talk about that for a second
59:45
here tonight.
59:45
Unknown: The Israeli military
says the three hostages were
59:48
mistakenly killed by Israeli
forces had escaped from Hamas
59:52
five days earlier. After Israeli
soldiers killed their captors in
59:56
a firefight with Molly Donald's
the army says they've since
59:59
analyzed Camera on a military
dog at the scene. recorded the
1:00:03
hostage dogs.
1:00:06
Adam Curry: They had a camera on
a military dog
1:00:08
John C Dvorak: yeah if I'm
working in the field and I gotta
1:00:10
have a camera on me I say what?
Where's the dog? Let's put the
1:00:13
camera on the dog. I don't need
to have this camera on me here
1:00:17
Phoebe, you go check it out a
camera
1:00:18
Unknown: on a military dog at
the scene. The hostages voices.
1:00:23
They were later mistakenly shot
by Israeli soldiers while
1:00:26
holding a white flag. Their
deaths increasing the pressure
1:00:29
in Israel to pause the fighting
and strike a deal to get the
1:00:32
rest of the hostages out the
President today. Well,
1:00:35
fortunately, there's no
expectation at this point. But
1:00:39
we are pushing Secretary of
State Tony Blinken today blaming
1:00:42
Hamas I hear
1:00:43
virtually no one's saying
demanding from us that it stop
1:00:49
hiding behind civilians. That it
lay down his arms. That is
1:00:53
surrender. Yeah, man is over
tomorrow. No, if a moss does
1:00:57
that,
1:00:59
Mr. Prime Minister Netanyahu
vowing to continue the war until
1:01:02
Hamas is eliminated. Israel is
now allowing aid into Gaza
1:01:06
through a second crossing. But
the US and aid groups say it's
1:01:10
not nearly enough. I'm
1:01:11
Adam Curry: going to give
everybody the sad truth of
1:01:13
what's happening here. But all
this talk about pause and
1:01:18
ceasefire and Hamas has to say,
No, Israel, the IDF, they're
1:01:23
going to rub allies, the entire
Gaza, all of it. And when
1:01:29
they're done with that they're
going to go and rub allies in
1:01:31
the North for Hezbollah, they're
not stopping. All of this is
1:01:36
just just fodder to keep
everybody talking and hoping and
1:01:40
walking around with flags. But
they're going it's over. They
1:01:44
are not going to stop. I have
lots of acquaintances and
1:01:48
friends in Israel, the ear, the
parents of those of those
1:01:53
basically be young young men who
were killed. They're out there
1:01:57
saying, you know, it's horrible,
but we don't blame the IDF. We
1:02:01
understand what happened. And
then you can come to my house
1:02:05
and I'll give you dinner at any
point. The people are so fed up
1:02:08
with this. They want they want
what Netanyahu is doing. They
1:02:11
want it. It's not going to stop
but there's
1:02:14
John C Dvorak: a lot of
protesting going on in Israel.
1:02:16
So I think there's a divided
population as to some want it
1:02:19
some don't go a political
1:02:21
Adam Curry: protests. Yeah,
against Netanyahu. Yeah. Yeah.
1:02:27
Well,
1:02:28
John C Dvorak: well, let's go to
that brings us as we're
1:02:30
discussing this area, I do want
to discuss a little bit about
1:02:33
the Houthis.
1:02:35
Adam Curry: Yes, yeah, this is
this is heating up. I'm like, so
1:02:38
there's no better
1:02:40
John C Dvorak: and I have my
certain complaints of course.
1:02:42
Yes, obviously. So I do have a
three by three. Oh, you want to
1:02:46
do that first? Yeah, right off
the bat.
1:02:49
Unknown: And now it's time for a
three by three. Experiment
1:02:52
Adam Curry: by Jesse comparing
stories from the the scenes. The
1:03:00
never ending, right? He's got
the stories, the headlines, the
1:03:03
big three networks. This is
where we break it down. We see
1:03:05
what the script is and we find
out what is bold and what is
1:03:07
more bully. Here we go with a
three by three.
1:03:10
John C Dvorak: You know, the
funny thing is you can really
1:03:11
see the script in this group of
three because it's as if they're
1:03:15
in the same newsroom. The
structure of the three stories
1:03:19
is almost identical and makes no
sense. And let's start with
1:03:24
Richard Engel at NBC. The cargo
1:03:26
Unknown: giant Maersk joined BP
in halting traffic through the
1:03:30
Red Sea in response to attacks
by the Iranian backed Yemeni
1:03:33
militia, known as the Houthi was
hijacked and fired on several
1:03:38
ships. Defense Secretary Lloyd
Austin in Bahrain today, home of
1:03:42
the US Fifth Fleet announced the
formation of a 10 nation
1:03:46
coalition to defend the Red Sea.
But the Houthis vowed to keep
1:03:50
attacking ships until Israel
ends its blockade of Gaza. The
1:03:55
showdown sending oil prices up
again today, while the
1:03:59
Palestinian Islamic Jihad
tonight put out a video of two
1:04:03
Israeli men it's holding
hostage. Yesterday, Hamas
1:04:06
released a video of three
elderly hostages taken under
1:04:09
duress. the Gaza Strip is at a
breaking point as Israel attacks
1:04:15
Hamas, a group say 2.3 million
Palestinians are paying an
1:04:20
unbearable price. The World
Health Organization today
1:04:24
described the situation in Gaza
as hospitals as beyond belief
1:04:28
and unconscionable.
1:04:30
Richard, what do we know about
where the ceasefire talks down
1:04:33
right now? They
1:04:34
are fragile Lester, but
advancing with Qatar reporting
1:04:37
progress and multiple ports that
they'll continue tomorrow in
1:04:41
Egypt.
1:04:43
John C Dvorak: Okay, so here's
the structure we have the
1:04:45
Houthi, stopping the attacking
and just attacking and then
1:04:51
screwing up the red sea
transport. And then for some
1:04:55
reason, unknown to me, they
jumped to the hostages, huh? And
1:05:00
then they finish the story with
the discussion of this a
1:05:04
mishmash report. And in there
somewhere there was the Bahrain,
1:05:08
I didn't realize that we kept
our ships there in Bahrain. So
1:05:11
that's a little point that will
show up in another report. So
1:05:15
let's go to let's move on to ABC
with I'd say the report from the
1:05:21
same newsroom tonight.
1:05:22
Unknown: We're also following
the new attacks are rotting and
1:05:24
backed militants taking aim yet
again. On commercial ships in
1:05:28
the Red Sea. It comes just hours
after the US announced it was
1:05:31
now leading an international
naval task force with several
1:05:35
nations. Tonight,
1:05:37
Iran backed Houthi rebels in
Yemen, to more attacks on
1:05:41
commercial ships in the Red Sea.
Just as the US announced a naval
1:05:44
task force to counter the threat
the US joining nine countries to
1:05:49
escort vessels passing through
the crucial trade route after
1:05:53
major companies including oil
giant BP paused operations.
1:05:57
Bottom line is these attacks
have to stop. They need to stop.
1:06:00
They're unacceptable. The United
States our allies and our
1:06:03
partners will do what we have to
do to counter these threats and
1:06:05
to protect these ships. But the
1:06:07
Houthi is vowing further attacks
in retaliation for Israel's war
1:06:11
in Gaza. And David another
hostage video release tonight
1:06:15
these images showing Gaddy Moses
and Elijah Cassia, who were
1:06:18
kidnapped on October 7, and
tonight a Prime Minister
1:06:22
Netanyahu met with hostage
families saying their release is
1:06:25
his highest mission.
1:06:29
John C Dvorak: So there we go.
Again, the same interesting
1:06:32
report goes from the Houthis to
Oh, why did you stop shooting at
1:06:36
us? Two hostages. So okay,
1:06:39
Adam Curry: whatever this is
meant to meant to focus you on
1:06:43
the on, like, well,
1:06:46
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
to be honest about it. So
1:06:48
unfocused itself I don't say I
can make anyone focus on
1:06:50
anything. So here we go to CBS
with another one and they're
1:06:54
always a little bit of always
give a little more twist, they
1:06:57
got a little more information
than the other networks.
1:07:00
Unknown: Some of the world's
biggest shipping and oil
1:07:03
companies are now rerouting
their vessels away from the Red
1:07:06
Sea after brazen attacks like
this one by Iranian backed
1:07:09
Houthi rebels. A dozen ships
attacked in just the past month
1:07:14
the Navy destroyer USS Carney
has been shooting down drones
1:07:17
and missiles launched from
Houthi controlled territory in
1:07:20
Yemen in support of Palestinians
in the Gaza war. 10 to 15% of
1:07:25
global trade normally passes
through worth an estimated $1
1:07:29
trillion. Fearing Houthi
attacks, ships are turning off
1:07:33
transponders hiring armed guards
and several companies are
1:07:36
sailing around Africa a pain
consumers will feel
1:07:40
we've launched Operation
prosperity guardian
1:07:45
in the region defense secretary
Lloyd
1:07:47
Adam Curry: who makes up these
code names this is a dumb one
1:07:50
prosperity guardian. Call us
call us people
1:07:55
Unknown: will fix you up tumors
will feel
1:07:58
we've launched Operation
prosperity guardian
1:08:03
Adam Curry: can we come up with
a better name John. But anything
1:08:06
but this like hell to the
Houthis no Hellfire on Houthi is
1:08:12
anything but prosperity Guardian
rumors will feel
1:08:16
Unknown: we've launched
Operation prosperity guardian.
1:08:21
In the region, Defense Secretary
Lloyd Austin announced a new
1:08:24
task force to try to stop Houthi
attacks as a 10. Country
1:08:28
military alliance with the
intent to grow. So far, the only
1:08:32
country from the Middle East to
sign on is the tiny nation of
1:08:35
Bahrain, in Gaza, Israel's
bombardment continues with
1:08:40
nearly 20,000 people now killed
says Gaza, Hamas run health
1:08:43
ministry. And just hours ago,
militants in Gaza released two
1:08:47
more videos of hostages. And
this is the second such release.
1:08:51
That comes as leaders from both
Israel and Hamas are signaling
1:08:54
they are open to a new pause.
And a new hostage really steel.
1:08:59
Yeah,
1:09:00
John C Dvorak: same exact
structures, all three stories as
1:09:03
if they're all working together.
So somebody is somebody, there's
1:09:06
an overlord telling you how to
do these things, obviously, and
1:09:11
they're doing a poor job. I
mean, the media is corrupt. And
1:09:14
so you have and there's the
mention of Bahrain, as the which
1:09:18
was where we keep our ships. So
yeah, they're gonna join in
1:09:21
because we give a lot of money
to the post our Navy. So they're
1:09:26
on board. But here's a couple of
things that crop up this show.
1:09:29
By the way, I have one more clip
date. Here's what shows up. In
1:09:33
my mind. One, Bahrain is the
only one who joins in with this
1:09:36
with a kind of a program to stop
the Houthis. What about Saudi
1:09:41
Arabia? They're at war with the
Houthis. Why are they in on
1:09:44
this? Simple question. So no,
no, we're not. No, we're not.
1:09:49
No, no. The second thing is,
again, I'll say it again. I said
1:09:53
on every show, we have
satellites, there's no clouds
1:09:57
over over Yemen. Did we have
satellites right over showing
1:10:01
exactly where those missiles are
coming from we could bomb the
1:10:03
crap out of those sites and
ended it that because we're
1:10:07
bombing Somalia as we speak well
but
1:10:09
Adam Curry: how about this maybe
you want the oil price to go up
1:10:12
a little bit
1:10:13
John C Dvorak: you think that
might be part of it I'm have a
1:10:16
feeling they oil prices go up
yeah because hasn't gone up for
1:10:21
any other reason so there's
something you know there might
1:10:24
be something that that there's
something there there allow in
1:10:27
other words the point they're
allowing this this is being
1:10:30
allowed. There's no way if they
didn't want it to happen that
1:10:35
they would just not bomb the
crap out of
1:10:37
Adam Curry: the bomb everybody
else. Yeah, we know but no, not
1:10:41
these guys. There's
1:10:43
John C Dvorak: two things they
can do. One one they're allowing
1:10:45
it to is giving some of the
destroyers some of our ships
1:10:49
target practice so we can see
what it takes to shoot down
1:10:53
drones. Get one
1:10:53
Adam Curry: of the trolls had a
good point. Get the oil price
1:10:56
all jacked up. Then have Joe
come out and mumble something
1:11:00
and then you know let it go
down.
1:11:03
John C Dvorak: Well, it's gonna
go down anyway. Yeah, Joe's
1:11:07
gonna do it.
1:11:07
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Well, no,
he's not but it's all theory.
1:11:10
The
1:11:10
John C Dvorak: idea is you
mumble something mumble
1:11:12
something and then it then the
the social media goes nuts.
1:11:16
Joe's saved us. So I do have one
report that kind of is probably
1:11:22
more valuable than those three,
put together get reports on
1:11:26
three exact same network. This
is the Houthi threat. This is a
1:11:32
NTD
1:11:32
Unknown: the leader of the
Yemeni Houthis vows to retaliate
1:11:36
if Washington takes aim at
Yemen. This is as the US is
1:11:39
spearheading a multinational
coalition to interrupt Houthi
1:11:43
attacks against cargo ships
passing through the Red Sea. So,
1:11:48
before any American targeting
our country will be targeted by
1:11:52
us and we will make American
battleships interests and
1:11:55
navigation a target for our
missiles, drones and military
1:12:00
operations. The
1:12:02
Iran backed group has been
escalating missile strikes
1:12:05
against vessels sailing through
the Red Sea in an attempt to
1:12:08
show support for Hamas
terrorists amid the Israel Hamas
1:12:11
war. Those strikes are forcing
ships to either cancel transit
1:12:15
or reroute to Africa, which is
causing gas and shipping prices
1:12:19
to rise. The US love security
pact joined by nine other
1:12:23
countries plans to ramp up
patrol in the Red Sea to deter
1:12:26
and respond to future Houthi
attacks.
1:12:29
Adam Curry: To all of these
reports include the one name
1:12:32
which I've been tracking, which
is Iran or Iran. And so what I'm
1:12:39
most curious about is is is this
going to be the precursor do is
1:12:43
this excuse me time to go on bom
bom bom bom bom Moran. And I can
1:12:49
tell you no and and the reason I
know is because General Frank
1:12:53
McKenzie came on the PBS news
hour to discuss the Red Sea
1:12:59
crisis.
1:13:00
Unknown: We return now to the
conflict in the Middle East and
1:13:02
rising tensions in the Red Sea.
We're about 12% of the world's
1:13:06
global trade passes through and
where Houthi militias in Yemen
1:13:10
have been attacking ships. The
Houthi say their attacks are in
1:13:14
support of the Palestinians.
Yesterday, US Defense Secretary
1:13:17
Lloyd Austin announced a new
multinational effort to protect
1:13:21
ships in the region. But how
will that work? For that we turn
1:13:25
to former commander of US forces
in the Middle East, retired
1:13:28
General Frank McKenzie. He's now
the executive director of the
1:13:31
global and national security
Institute at the University of
1:13:35
South Florida.
1:13:36
Adam Curry: Yeah, beautiful. We
got a spokes hole, everybody. So
1:13:39
explain who are these Houthis
help
1:13:41
Unknown: our audience understand
first who are the Houthis? And
1:13:44
why exactly are they attacking
commercial ships.
1:13:47
The Houthis are a proxy of Iran.
And they've seized governmental
1:13:49
control and a coup in Yemen
several years ago. They've been
1:13:52
largely responsible for the mass
starvation in the country. And
1:13:56
with Iran, they pursue a policy
for the destruction of Israel.
1:13:59
They're not completely under the
direct control of Iran. But Iran
1:14:02
provides their equipment
provides the resourcing and all
1:14:05
their supplies, but they're not
directly at the beck and call of
1:14:08
ran in this matter. The Houthis
have wanted to attack Israel,
1:14:11
it's very hard for them to
arrange Israel proper. So
1:14:15
they've settled on instead,
trying to cut off communication
1:14:18
of maritime shipping in the in
the Bab el Mandeb area down at
1:14:21
the southern end of the Red Sea.
So
1:14:23
Adam Curry: the more I hear
these people talk about the
1:14:25
Houthis, the more I think they
work for us. I mean, this this,
1:14:29
this whole thing stinks to high
hell, let's look let's talk
1:14:32
about the task force.
1:14:33
Unknown: And as we mentioned,
the US announced this creation
1:14:35
of this Multinational Task Force
to Protect commercial traffic
1:14:38
through the Red Sea. Why is
1:14:40
Adam Curry: it called a task
force? The fact that they call
1:14:42
it a task force is like blame.
Now how about attack force or
1:14:47
defense force? Defense Force
would be better anything but
1:14:50
Task Force? That's something the
marketing department does in
1:14:54
your company. Yeah,
1:14:56
John C Dvorak: task force we
attack for
1:14:57
Unknown: how exactly will that
work and in your estimation will
1:15:00
it be enough to deter future
attacks,
1:15:04
the ships will be important, we
will provide ships, our friends
1:15:07
and partners will provide ships
and those warships that will be
1:15:10
out there, shepherding the
merchant vessels, three will be
1:15:13
very important. But what will be
equally important will be the
1:15:16
intelligence architecture that
we put over the Bab el Mandeb.
1:15:20
You need to see what's going on.
You do that through man patrol
1:15:24
aircraft, unmanned aircraft,
drones, all kinds of other
1:15:27
intelligence gathering systems
to actually see what the Houthis
1:15:30
are up to money, money, money,
money. And this also has another
1:15:33
effect. And we know for many
years of dealing with Iran, they
1:15:36
don't like to be observed. It
can have been a tearing effect
1:15:39
in 2019. Our heavy use of ISR
intelligence, surveillance and
1:15:44
reconnaissance assets around the
Strait of Hormuz prevented the
1:15:47
Iranians from carrying out
nefarious attacks may or may not
1:15:51
be enough with the Houthi they
tend to be very aggressive. I
1:15:53
think at some point we're
probably going to have to
1:15:55
consider that
1:15:58
John C Dvorak: they've been at
war for I don't know what is it
1:16:00
10 years now Saudi Arabia,
they're all this bull crap this.
1:16:05
You're right. This is a crock of
crap from the get go. And
1:16:08
they're doing this. And by the
way, their dough is going to
1:16:11
talk about this guy had a clip
of that I don't didn't bring it
1:16:15
along, which is the price of
insurance for the ships going
1:16:20
through the Red Sea has gone up
tenfold. Yeah, to the point
1:16:24
where this never mentioned to
the point where it's actually
1:16:27
still super expensive to drive
all the way around the African
1:16:32
tip, but cheaper to do that and
pay for the insurance. And so
1:16:36
nobody's going through the Red
Sea. This is a set definitely a
1:16:40
way to jack up prices. Yes.
1:16:43
Adam Curry: And to maybe maybe
Orwell was inflation, but that's
1:16:48
because of the Houthis meant
something like that. Yeah.
1:16:51
Houthi inflation, Houthi
inflation Houthi
1:16:54
John C Dvorak: no one's good.
That's too hard to sell. For,
1:16:58
they call the call it system
name for the organization to
1:17:02
begin with, but
1:17:03
Adam Curry: they'll call it a
supply chain here. The what's
1:17:05
the future of big business?
1:17:06
Unknown: BP is now the latest
company to announce it's going
1:17:09
to be pausing shipments through
the Red Sea, as we mentioned,
1:17:11
with so much global trade going
through that area. What does
1:17:15
that mean for the future of big
business?
1:17:18
Well, I think if we're unable to
reestablish and reassert the
1:17:21
route of free passage here and
keep the Houthis in making these
1:17:23
attacks, everything's going to
slow down is 14 more days to go
1:17:27
around Africa to come up either
east or west. And that will tend
1:17:30
to exert greater pressure on the
market, probably the energy
1:17:34
energy market first, but other
markets as well. So it's in
1:17:37
everyone's interest, every
nation that moves on the global
1:17:40
commons actually has an interest
in ensuring that the Bab el
1:17:43
Mandeb is going to be open for
the ride of free passenger
1:17:46
ships. The
1:17:47
Adam Curry: Houthi price hike.
You never know. Final, final
1:17:51
clip here. Talk to us about the
region. I mean, we have to
1:17:55
understand the region what's
going on in the region. As you
1:17:57
Unknown: mentioned, the Houthis
are an Iranian proxy, what does
1:18:00
all of this suggest about the
potential for Israel's war
1:18:04
against Hamas to escalate into a
wider regional con region?
1:18:08
I think the odds of the
escalation beyond Gaza are
1:18:11
actually fairly small right now,
Lebanese, Hezbollah has not
1:18:14
chosen to enter the fray,
despite the fact they're
1:18:17
exchanging low levels of fire
with Israel on its northern
1:18:19
border. Iran has not chosen to
directly attack Israel. Those
1:18:23
are important things that have
perhaps been overlooked. Hamas
1:18:26
is not getting a lot of support
from those two entities. Now,
1:18:29
the Houthis are, but again, as I
said, the Houthis have limited
1:18:33
ability actually, to strike
Israel, they were reduced, you
1:18:36
know, to carrying out attacks
down around the Bab el Mandeb.
1:18:38
And they are doing that, but I
believe that's a problem we can
1:18:41
solve. We may need to be a
little more aggressive about it
1:18:44
than we've been today. But I
believe that's a solvable
1:18:46
problem. But the larger issue
is, I don't think it leads to
1:18:49
escalation.
1:18:50
Adam Curry: Okay, so no
escalation. It's a scam. By
1:18:53
obviously,
1:18:55
John C Dvorak: you know, the
idea that the Houthi is might be
1:18:57
working on our behalf is an
interesting one says, you know,
1:19:01
people are getting killed left
and right. With them. Shipping
1:19:05
has been stopped when money goes
around. But
1:19:08
Adam Curry: wouldn't it make
sense since we had to sell all
1:19:10
the boats, we sold all of that
war machine material, and we
1:19:15
paid for a lot of the defense of
Saudi Arabia in Yemen, of the
1:19:21
two T's and the Houthi so the
Houthis were hitting our allies
1:19:25
and we need war there so that we
can make more war stuff and now
1:19:29
it's just more war. It's like,
oh, like this looks as another
1:19:31
opportunity.
1:19:33
John C Dvorak: So yeah, while
inopportune everything's in
1:19:35
opportunity.
1:19:36
Adam Curry: Why wouldn't you
have those guys be on our
1:19:38
payroll? Hey, crank it up, boys.
And I remain the men that when I
1:19:42
saw them land on that ship,
1:19:46
John C Dvorak: with the with the
Houthi the Houthi banderas yeah
1:19:50
with with the GoPro the body
cams was the first person I
1:19:55
know. Let's say stage they
1:19:57
Adam Curry: got the helicopter
landing and then went dump an
1:20:00
app that was very staged that
was that was production edited
1:20:04
nicely put together, put it out
there.
1:20:07
John C Dvorak: Why didn't we do
anything about it the helicopter
1:20:09
flying around by itself nobody
cares. Yeah, we got all kinds of
1:20:14
gunships and everything in
between on float around in a
1:20:18
helicopter, through
1:20:20
Adam Curry: the Houthi heli is
on the loose, no worries
1:20:23
John C Dvorak: at all. And we
didn't know Oh, you didn't even
1:20:27
see it. But, you know, we got
satellites all over the place.
1:20:30
Give me a break,
1:20:31
Adam Curry: you know, one of
Tina's friends. You know, she
1:20:36
listens to the no agenda and her
I think, millennial daughter, I
1:20:40
have a quote. I, my, my
daughter, lecturing me about
1:20:45
Palestine, told me that John and
Adam can afford not to take
1:20:49
sides because they're old white
men. Like, what does that even
1:20:56
mean? I don't understand.
Because, you know, we don't have
1:21:00
to worry about it. You know, but
here's something Hello,
1:21:06
children.
1:21:07
John C Dvorak: Nice. Bill. Dad
had to wait, wait before you
1:21:09
finish that thought that had to
be inculcated, because there has
1:21:14
to be some rationale that these
kids are fed because that sounds
1:21:18
like something you'd say,
without thinking. In other
1:21:21
words, you were brainwashed into
saying that it says it's like,
1:21:24
because there's no thought is in
a statement like that.
1:21:29
Adam Curry: It's part of
colonialism, I think. Okay,
1:21:31
John C Dvorak: well, yeah,
that's what it is. I've always
1:21:33
been a colonialist.
1:21:37
Adam Curry: That's right. You
have a very small colony of
1:21:39
sanity in the Berkeley area.
1:21:43
John C Dvorak: Meanwhile, it
hasn't Miscavige another meeting
1:21:46
in February at the mallard club.
1:21:48
Adam Curry: I'd love to have
some protests for what's
1:21:50
happening in the Congo.
1:21:52
John C Dvorak: Three noble way
finish your thought on the on
1:21:55
the girl. No,
1:21:56
Adam Curry: that's what I just
that's all the thought I have is
1:21:59
it's it's stupidity. It's been
indoctrinated. And and so the
1:22:04
finishing of the thought is
while this
1:22:06
Unknown: security and logistical
challenges in Congo caused
1:22:09
disruptions in today's
presidential election, almost 44
1:22:13
million people were expected to
vote amid chaotic conditions.
1:22:17
crowds grew agitated after poll
openings were delayed for hours
1:22:21
in the capital city of Kinshasa,
and smudged ink on voting cards
1:22:25
slowed the process. As a result,
balloting will be extended until
1:22:29
tomorrow.
1:22:29
Adam Curry: So the New York
Times has a big article today
1:22:33
called the overlooked crisis in
Congo, we live in war. How many
1:22:38
people do you think have have
been killed in the past few
1:22:42
years in Congo?
1:22:45
John C Dvorak: Is this the
Democratic Republic of the
1:22:47
Congo?
1:22:48
Adam Curry: Yes.
1:22:50
John C Dvorak: I would say how
many people in the past year now
1:22:53
Adam Curry: the past couple of
years this this has been going
1:22:56
on for a few years?
1:22:59
John C Dvorak: I would say
100,000 6 million. But where's
1:23:06
the protests? The exactly
million that's three times the
1:23:09
population of Gaza. 6
1:23:12
Adam Curry: million now lurching
into a volatile new phase, that
1:23:18
no one cares. You know why
they're black racists. That's
1:23:21
why
1:23:22
John C Dvorak: I bet you no one
could identify a Congo flag. No,
1:23:25
Adam Curry: but they can they
sure know what a Palestine flag
1:23:28
looks like. Yeah, it's it's,
that's that's what gets my goat.
1:23:35
It's like, Please be quiet. You
don't care about people. You've
1:23:38
been programmed to say
something. That's all this
1:23:42
happening.
1:23:44
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they
couldn't identify half these
1:23:45
places on a map. No,
1:23:48
Adam Curry: there's that or the
Congo is actually pretty easy to
1:23:50
find is big. Just pointed the
middle of Africa. You pretty
1:23:54
much I'll hit it. That's about
it.
1:23:58
John C Dvorak: Now I have a
couple of hooey on international
1:24:00
stuff. I have to I've got a new
story category. Oh, okay. I call
1:24:08
WTF news. When you're managing
WTF news refers to I have two
1:24:14
stories today. Actually. One of
them is not as good as the
1:24:17
other. But WTF news. These are
stories that you hear them and
1:24:21
use. And you wonder, did you
know this in the least this is
1:24:26
like again from anti D because
they they'll report on stuff
1:24:29
that why isn't this on the
network's
1:24:34
Adam Curry: on our networks? You
mean? Yeah. Okay. We'll find out
1:24:38
as soon as we get to it which
story? It will
1:24:41
Unknown: Venezuela turning our
attention now to South America,
1:24:44
Venezuela is fraying. 10 jailed
Americans and exchange for the
1:24:48
release of Colombian businessman
Alex Saab. He was arrested on a
1:24:52
US warrant back in 2020. For
funneling some $350 million from
1:24:57
a Venezuelan housing program saw
As a close ally of Venezuelan
1:25:01
President Nicolas Maduro, US
officials often referred to him
1:25:05
as Maduro as a bag man. As for
the released Americans,
1:25:09
according to the White House six
among the 10 were wrongfully
1:25:12
detained by the socialist
regime, Venezuela will free at
1:25:16
least 20 Venezuelans as well,
including political prisoners.
1:25:21
As part of the agreement.
Venezuela will also extradite
1:25:23
Leonard Francis, a defense
contractor known as fat leonard,
1:25:27
who orchestrated one of the
largest bribery schemes in the
1:25:30
history of the US military. The
scandal took down nearly two
1:25:34
dozen Navy officials. Francis
fled the US ahead of his
1:25:39
scheduled sentencing last year
and has since stayed in South
1:25:42
America. It's
1:25:44
Adam Curry: interesting, I had
this story,
1:25:46
John C Dvorak: that Leonard fat
leonard Yeah, I had the
1:25:49
Adam Curry: fat leonard story.
And here's the question I have
1:25:53
with and we said we had an
exchange we exchanged the
1:25:56
prisoners. Yeah. And my question
is, why are we giving special
1:26:03
preferential treatment to
Venezuelan illegal immigrants to
1:26:07
give them work permits when we
have this fat leonard deal going
1:26:11
on? Was that part of the deal?
Hey, you know what you give us
1:26:15
fat leonard. And we'll have, you
know, we'll give 15,000
1:26:19
Venezuelans who have crossed
over illegally, we'll give them
1:26:22
work permits.
1:26:24
John C Dvorak: That has to be
part of that deal has to be
1:26:26
going on. And I think some of
the political prisoners will be
1:26:29
coming up here too. I'm sure of
it. And this fat lenders story,
1:26:34
though about taking down like 20
Naval executives, and it was the
1:26:40
biggest scam of bribery scandal
in the history of the United
1:26:43
States. I'd never heard of fat
leonard seen how does that
1:26:46
happen? With our news media
seems
1:26:48
Adam Curry: to me that fat
learner needs to be shut up as
1:26:51
what's going on. We need to get
that get back here. So we can
1:26:53
like stifle him? Yeah, I think
fat when it's a problem.
1:27:00
John C Dvorak: That Lynard fat
linens
1:27:03
Adam Curry: Oh, title, writing
it down as we speak. Okay. I
1:27:10
have a little bit of AI news,
which I'd like to share.
1:27:14
John C Dvorak: I have a follow
up clip. Because I have some
1:27:17
thoughts on AI too. Because I
were at odds somewhat with
1:27:21
insofar as AI is concerned, even
though we have a great AI clip
1:27:26
at the end of the show mix. At
least in my opinion. Oh, yes.
1:27:29
Adam Curry: It's not AI. That's
actually one of our guys doing
1:27:33
that voice.
1:27:34
John C Dvorak: Well, it's might
as well be AI. No, it's the way
1:27:37
I see it. That
1:27:38
Adam Curry: is a tough way to
see it. Yeah, it's a talented
1:27:41
person. Do you want it? Do you
have something you want to play?
1:27:46
Well,
1:27:46
John C Dvorak: I want to, I want
you to play yours first. And
1:27:49
then I'll play my blue lip.
Well, I
1:27:51
Adam Curry: have I have a whole
setup. Okay, well, let
1:27:53
John C Dvorak: me just play
this. This was a fake video that
1:27:55
I thought was hilarious. This
one's got a big scandal at all.
1:27:59
I forgot NBC are somebody you
gotta say they're suing. They
1:28:02
sued over it. And the whole
thing is a fake video of this of
1:28:07
one of their anchors. Go ha.
This
1:28:10
Unknown: is good. And welcome to
a special edition of Meet the
1:28:12
Press. Now coming to you live
from beautiful Miami, Florida as
1:28:16
we count down to the third
Republican presidential debate
1:28:18
hosted by NBC News. I'm Garrett
Hake live from our NBC News
1:28:22
debate Hall spin room where we
are just hours away from five
1:28:25
Republican candidates taking the
stage. Tonight. It's arguably a
1:28:29
game of survival as the field
faces major questions about the
1:28:32
state of their own campaigns and
the state of this race. With
1:28:36
front runner Donald Trump
maintaining his commanding lead
1:28:38
and once again, skipping the
contest. This is Ron DeSantis
1:28:43
and establishment Rhino that
wears insoles in his boots in
1:28:46
order to look taller. And this
is Nikki Haley. Nobody really
1:28:50
gives a shit about Mettler
Haley. This guy is probably just
1:28:53
a stagehand Who the fuck invited
this guy, and this guy is
1:28:58
probably just delivering pizzas.
Anyway, nobody cares about these
1:29:02
bullshit Rhino debates,
especially when you know that
1:29:04
Donald Trump is going to kick
some ass tonight.
1:29:21
John C Dvorak: So they have
Trump at the end, of course. Now
1:29:23
if that's the that's the job.
I'm seeing this as the way Trump
1:29:29
used Twitter in 2016. Yes, you
use social media. I don't know
1:29:33
whose gives him these ideas. But
this is the Trump campaign,
1:29:38
using AI and doing crazy videos
like this thing was, if you can,
1:29:43
people can track it nowadays,
most of us but most of the
1:29:45
copies have been taken down.
Because NBC NBC so irked about
1:29:50
they sued them. And they sued
the Trump campaign and they
1:29:53
pulled it they but that is out
there. Yeah. And it's funny to
1:29:57
watch because when they say this
guy's delivering pizza then they
1:30:00
show Vivix. And they show I
don't know who this guy is like
1:30:04
it may be a janitor. And they
that's that was Scott. Yeah, it
1:30:09
was. It was very, very insulting
and funny this is
1:30:14
Adam Curry: this is this is the
whole point is AI and you could
1:30:17
have done. I mean, no one knows
Garrett Hake really? I mean, he
1:30:20
could have done it with a voice
actor but okay, we'll call it AI
1:30:23
fine. That's the business model.
That's all there is people are
1:30:28
afraid of the boy is gonna do
all that people are gonna fall
1:30:32
for the fake No, no, it's used
for humor. It's used for comedy.
1:30:36
John C Dvorak: I agree with you.
This is nobody's falling for
1:30:39
this. Oh, and the fact that NBC
sued and when you could say it
1:30:42
was a parody, they you could
have countersued and kept it up.
1:30:45
But it's better to be sued and
take it down. That's what you
1:30:48
want. Yes, more publicity. So it
makes it look better. And then
1:30:52
people go seek it out because I
had to do that. And you know, it
1:30:55
took some time I found it. And
then you get to watch and you
1:30:58
crack up. And you know, these
guys are all freaked out about
1:31:01
it. This is totally AI is is is
just for humor, and it's very
1:31:08
good at it. AI is
1:31:09
Adam Curry: for humor. And we
have some humor coming up. But
1:31:12
first, we need to have some
teeth put behind the executive
1:31:16
order that President Biden put
in place. Because AI is so
1:31:20
dangerous. It's dangerous. It's
racist is what it is. So we
1:31:25
found a case. Ha, boy, I'm so
happy we can prove that we need
1:31:29
these laws for AI earlier today,
1:31:31
Unknown: big news from the FTC
or Federal Trade Commission as
1:31:35
it banned Rite Aid from using
facial recognition technology
1:31:39
and its stores for five years.
Why? Well, according to the FTC,
1:31:43
Adam Curry: Don't you hate it
when they do that? Why,
1:31:46
John C Dvorak: why? Why? Why?
Well, if you leave that out, if
1:31:51
you leave the why out? It
actually flows
1:31:55
Adam Curry: better. No, but
yeah, it's a thing. It's like
1:31:57
people do that. Why? Well, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna educate you.
1:32:00
Well, according
1:32:01
Unknown: to the FTC, the
drugstore giants secretly used
1:32:04
it for nearly a decade for
surveillance purposes. But they
1:32:07
wrongly accused many of
shoplifting in the process. And
1:32:10
they falsely accused the people
that they did, were more likely
1:32:14
to be people of color or women.
In a statement writing that,
1:32:17
quote, We are pleased to reach
an agreement with the FTC and
1:32:20
put this matter behind us.
However, we fundamentally
1:32:23
disagree with the facial
recognition allegations in the
1:32:26
agency's complaint. Let's bring
in NBC News technology
1:32:30
correspondent Jake Ward,
1:32:32
Adam Curry: Jake Ward, have you
ever come across Jake ward? He's
1:32:34
the NBC technology
correspondent, Surely you've
1:32:36
heard of Jake ward? No. So Jake
Ward is going to explain he's
1:32:42
gonna explain to us and I like
this. I like that, hey, you
1:32:46
know, what they are AI is
identifying chicks and blacks.
1:32:52
They are thievin Magic,
obviously,
1:32:55
Unknown: a lot of questions,
people probably wondering around
1:32:57
this, like, what are the laws
that regulate, basically kick
1:33:00
the ball. So to the point that's
being made here in 2019, federal
1:33:04
agency found that Asian and
Black individuals were up to 100
1:33:07
times more likely to be
misidentified. So as the
1:33:10
technology also evolved since
then,
1:33:12
Adam Curry: so this, this is the
only thing they have on AI,
1:33:15
they're gonna go after
everything they can with this
1:33:19
one point, it's racist, because
old white men put it together is
1:33:23
racist.
1:33:25
Unknown: Well, let's say um, you
know, the technology has
1:33:27
evolved, but unfortunately use
it seems to have degraded at
1:33:32
least in right aids case mean,
right. That is the allegation
1:33:34
that FTC is basically coming
through this is the
1:33:37
Adam Curry: FTC. Are they? Do
they? Are they a judicial
1:33:41
agency? Do they have the right
to do this?
1:33:44
John C Dvorak: I think so.
Commission is
1:33:47
Unknown: going to hear, you
know, basically, if you walked
1:33:49
into a Rite Aid in a large urban
center of Baltimore,
1:33:52
Philadelphia, San Francisco
between 2012 and 2020, you were
1:33:55
picked up by this facial
recognition system. And I've
1:33:57
been speaking with people, how
1:33:58
Adam Curry: many white people
are in Rite Aid in Baltimore?
1:34:02
Just Just a question offhand.
You know, I'm just like,
1:34:05
Baltimore is pretty black. It's
a very black area,
1:34:10
Unknown: we're close to this
project. And they say, you know,
1:34:12
initially, the idea was, that
people would then come to you
1:34:16
having, you know, matched your
photo to a very high tech
1:34:19
database of other repeat
shoplifters. And then the idea
1:34:23
was that the staff member would
somehow come over and just say,
1:34:25
Excuse me, sir, may I help you
and by being kind of greeted in
1:34:29
that very polite high touch way,
you'd be embarrassed and you'd
1:34:33
leave that was sort of going to
be the original idea.
1:34:36
Adam Curry: You'd be embarrassed
and kind of leave like oh, I
1:34:39
didn't steal anything. Be be
embarrassed AI is embarrassed
1:34:43
John C Dvorak: embarrassed by
somebody come over say can I
1:34:44
help you? That happens all the
time. But over
1:34:47
Unknown: the years, Sam, I mean,
you know, right. The money paid
1:34:49
to retail clerks has stayed the
same while their
1:34:51
responsibilities have gone up
and up and up right morale
1:34:54
staffing problems, the rest of
it mean it's in an environment
1:34:57
of really, you know,
dysfunctional a really
1:34:59
dysfunctional A market, you
suddenly have employees trying
1:35:02
to deal with a lot of
shoplifting Oh, the poor
1:35:05
employees and not in a sensitive
way. And it turns out not in a
1:35:10
way where you could rely on the
technology. The FTC says that
1:35:13
1000s of people were falsely
identified as shoplet. Write
1:35:17
John C Dvorak: this report. He's
just rambling, telling us
1:35:19
anything, after
1:35:20
Unknown: hours, even though you
know, the technology in theory
1:35:23
can be better. The people who
were not trained, they would
1:35:26
hold people out of line,
embarrass them in front of their
1:35:28
colleagues, their families,
their friends, all that, you
1:35:32
know, this high minded ambition,
that Rite Aid and many other
1:35:35
sources seem to have had with
facial recognition did not work
1:35:38
out such that the FTC has now
banned that company from using
1:35:40
it for five years.
1:35:41
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, the TSA
uses that every single day that
1:35:44
when you go to the airport,
they're scanning your face.
1:35:46
They're approving you based upon
facial recognition, airlines are
1:35:49
checking you in automatically
just by looking at a camera. No
1:35:53
report on that. Jake ward.
1:35:55
Unknown: So the enforcement
obviously is a challenge to put
1:35:57
it mildly. I'm also wondering,
Jake, companies like Rite Aid, I
1:36:01
mean, we talked about the fact
this was done secretly, at least
1:36:03
those are the allegations from
the FTC. Do you have to disclose
1:36:07
if you're using this kind of
technology?
1:36:10
Yes, you do now, and that is
what is so interesting. The
1:36:14
reason that this is such a big
deal in the tech world is this
1:36:18
is the FTC, I've been speaking
to sources close to that agency.
1:36:20
And they say that this is part
of the FTC effort to try to stop
1:36:24
the large scale practice of
essentially experimenting on all
1:36:28
of us when it comes to big data,
except with the government wants
1:36:32
to do it at the airport. And
that's not just going to be
1:36:33
facial recognition systems, it's
going to be things like AI,
1:36:36
right? Last minute people to
collect all kinds of data on all
1:36:41
of us, and experiment in the
wild on the kind of conclusions
1:36:44
you can reach using that stuff.
The FTC is saying no more. In
1:36:48
this case, one of the
punishments being levied against
1:36:51
Rite Aid is they have to delete
the database that they had
1:36:54
assembled across all the stores
across the nation, they don't
1:36:57
get to just sort of
1:36:59
John C Dvorak: make a backup,
then delete it, or try again,
1:37:02
Unknown: that is a big cost to
any kind of tech driven company.
1:37:06
You know, in addition, they
basically say that, you know,
1:37:08
this kind of new standard that
you're gonna have to really
1:37:11
prove that this thing works on
an ongoing basis is also going
1:37:14
to apply getting off the
1:37:16
Adam Curry: hook. All right,
he's done. All right.
1:37:18
John C Dvorak: Jay Z's on and on
and on about nothing. It was so
1:37:21
what?
1:37:22
Adam Curry: Alright, now we get
to the information, the info
1:37:26
Mavericks, the info Mavericks,
there was a big info Maverick
1:37:30
meeting, at Turning Point USA
1:37:32
John C Dvorak: or your buddy. So
yeah, though, yeah. To be info
1:37:35
Maverick club, the info Maverick
1:37:37
Adam Curry: club, in this case,
at turning point, USA onstage a
1:37:40
live pool boy podcast, with our
hero, the pool boy, along with
1:37:46
Tucker Carlson, Charlie Kirk,
James O'Keefe. I mean, this is
1:37:51
the creme de la creme of the
1:37:53
John C Dvorak: Mavericks, the
cream of the Maverick and let's
1:37:55
hear
1:37:55
Adam Curry: how afraid they are
of AI and how AI is going to eat
1:37:59
the
1:37:59
Unknown: world. We may be we may
be past the event horizon, the
1:38:03
point at which you know towards
AI is so great. There's no
1:38:05
backing away from it, what we're
being so faster and fast, I
1:38:08
think you can go into it with
these neural nets. A human that
1:38:10
understands the code can go into
the system, be in the virtual
1:38:13
realm and reverse engineer the
AI and see what's happening and
1:38:16
how it's being run in real time.
1:38:20
Stay with it gets better.
1:38:22
Maybe I would just do with the
keyboard. But I'm not going into
1:38:24
that. But listen, this is this
was Elon Musk's argument, we
1:38:27
must integrate with the machine,
Terminator like scenario. And
1:38:30
that's the word we think this is
going to end well. I mean,
1:38:32
honestly, like, this is the
scary this is what people need
1:38:36
to understand about about the
singularity event when a I hold
1:38:39
Adam Curry: on to this where
people don't understand I'm
1:38:41
appalled by this when people
aren't going to say right, I was
1:38:43
gonna understand this because
it's very important. It's very
1:38:46
important. Like,
1:38:46
Unknown: this is the scary this
is what people need to
1:38:48
understand about about the
singularity event when AI when
1:38:52
it actually turns on when we
reach Artificial General
1:38:54
Intelligence might be there. And
we might be there. No, it isn't.
1:38:58
It's a point at which the
machine itself beat
1:39:01
exponentially improves itself.
So if the rate of growth for the
1:39:05
the computer systems that we're
building is say more as live
1:39:08
doubles every two years,
1:39:10
Adam Curry: that's not Moore's
law. It doubles every two years.
1:39:15
Generally,
1:39:16
Unknown: we're building is say
more as live doubles every two
1:39:19
years. Once we reach the point
of AI singularity, or I guess
1:39:23
you could call it Artificial
General Intelligence, straight
1:39:25
to the top, right up to the
point of near infinity, where
1:39:29
this machine is improving
itself, learning faster and
1:39:32
faster and calculating faster.
And then it's beyond our our
1:39:35
comprehension. Yeah, I
1:39:38
John C Dvorak: saw the movie The
Forbin Project Colossus, The
1:39:41
Forbin Project recently. It does
exactly what he described as the
1:39:46
Adam Curry: man. The hell yes,
we're all going to die.
1:39:49
John C Dvorak: The AI system.
Project, go check it out.
1:39:52
People.
1:39:52
Adam Curry: We've talked about
it. I've watched it. You can get
1:39:54
it on YouTube. This is
fantastic. Oh, yeah.
1:39:57
John C Dvorak: And it's old.
It's from the 60s. Isn't it 70s?
1:40:01
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, guys on
emacs doing Lisp rolling their
1:40:05
eyes. So well My
1:40:08
John C Dvorak: thing is there's
you're gonna get a neural net,
1:40:11
which is going to go and kind of
D. Disassemble the code somehow,
1:40:16
huh? Yeah. Yeah. And then you're
gonna be able to go in there
1:40:20
because you've disassembled the
code with a neural net and then
1:40:23
you can fool around i This is
nuts. These people
1:40:26
Adam Curry: are no good for
your, for your mental health.
1:40:30
Nor are the next people. Now
this is I'm gonna bring in a
1:40:33
professor now.
1:40:36
John C Dvorak: Galloway, Shaw
1:40:37
Adam Curry: so close. It's so
close. It is from the pivot
1:40:40
show, which I might point out is
the award winning technology
1:40:44
podcast, award winning. I've
never heard him talking about
1:40:48
technology. It's the award
winning technology podcast. And
1:40:52
they have a bunch of predictions
for 2024. And they bring in a
1:40:57
Stanford professor of AI to to
predict what is going to happen
1:41:04
in 2024. Okay, Scott. Now
1:41:06
Unknown: let's hear a prediction
from Dr. Fei Fei Li.
1:41:10
Oh, hi, Taryn Scott. This is Fei
Fei Li. I'm Sequoia Professor of
1:41:17
Computer Science at Stanford.
Denning, co director of Stanford
1:41:21
Institute for Human Centered AI,
and the author of The she AI.
1:41:28
Adam Curry: I think she's Asian.
Her name is fufu are far far.
1:41:32
She's obviously a I know she's
not code and code for us. And I
1:41:38
love that she used to McCoy a
professor, you know how that
1:41:41
works. Hi, I'm Mike Morris from
Sequoia we're going to give you
1:41:44
$100 million. But whenever your
professor goes on pivot and
1:41:48
award winning technology
podcast, she has to say hello, I
1:41:52
am the Sequoia professor. You
1:41:55
John C Dvorak: know, the joke of
that is that when I hear the
1:41:58
Sequoia professor, I think of a
tree. I don't think the VC can
1:42:03
Adam Curry: pie. I'm the Pfizer
professor, but listen to listen
1:42:06
to her prediction. Now this is
this is where you know they'll
1:42:09
shut up now you know, it's boom
1:42:12
Unknown: Ooh, crap.
1:42:14
This is Fei Fei Li. I'm Sequoia
Professor of Computer Science at
1:42:19
Stanford. Denning, co director
of Stanford Institute for Human
1:42:24
Centered AI, and the author of
the book The world's I see. My
1:42:30
prediction for AI in 2024 is
that the technology will
1:42:35
continue to deepen and widen but
a very impressive speed, we're
1:42:41
gonna see more multimodal large
models beyond language into the
1:42:48
domain of perception and world
modeling. We will also see AI
1:42:56
continue to create a lot of
discussion among the public and
1:43:01
policymakers as we experienced
the messy impact of AI in our
1:43:07
society, in our industry. Thank
you. Okay,
1:43:13
but what was that? Exactly?
1:43:17
Adam Curry: I think that
technology will widen and deepen
1:43:20
the, okay. Bullshit, it will,
everything's going to widen and
1:43:25
deepen as you dig deeper from
this bowl. And it will become
1:43:30
multimodal. Now. I've been
following this now. Now. I'm so
1:43:34
irked by this by this scam, that
I'm following multimodal means
1:43:39
it will be able to you will
build large language models with
1:43:43
video and images and voice and
audio. So yeah, put our podcast
1:43:48
in there, please. And she
predicts Glo world modeling this
1:43:54
is the new buzz term. World
might even mean I'm glad you
1:43:59
asked. I'm asking from the
university I got a quick
1:44:03
splinter of world modeling also
known as General world model.
1:44:09
The thing
1:44:09
Unknown: is, alums only know
about language. What if we
1:44:13
applied the same big data big
model approach to how we
1:44:17
generate videos? Well, that's
what we're calling general
1:44:22
worlds models. GW Adams, and we
believe that they're the next
1:44:27
big thing. Similar to LLM
general worlds models are given
1:44:33
a large amount of data, but not
just text. It's also given
1:44:38
videos, images and audio,
everything you'd need in order
1:44:41
to understand how the world
works. And with all this
1:44:45
information, the models build
out sort of a mental map for
1:44:48
themselves. And this is where my
dog comes in. Hi Ruben. Ruben
1:44:54
also has an internal model of
the world based on things he
1:44:57
knows. And it looks something
like this He learned that if we
1:45:01
go this way, there's a higher
chance of us going to the park.
1:45:05
And if we go that way, there's a
dog that kind of looks at him
1:45:08
funny. He knows that there's
usually sidewalk chicken scraps
1:45:12
right here. And that these
stores known as pet stores that
1:45:16
have the tweets that he likes,
once we get to the park, this is
1:45:20
where all the bus sniffing
happens. With all of this data,
1:45:24
the sights, sounds,
relationships of things, Rubin
1:45:27
has figured out how to predict
certain outcomes and adjust his
1:45:31
behaviors, just like the general
world model.
1:45:36
Adam Curry: So there you have
it, a far cry from the fear
1:45:39
mongering from the pool boy and
the info Mavericks, the level
1:45:43
that they're talking about for
2024 is a dog who knows when you
1:45:48
turn right, but sniffing will
happen. This is this is the
1:45:52
future. That's from the
university.
1:45:59
John C Dvorak: And yeah, and
they were no, they were a big
1:46:01
disrobe that Stanford was big,
big, big in the 80s. You can but
1:46:06
sniff and they're always big.
And but sniffing everybody who's
1:46:08
ever been there knows that you
have to be careful, by the way
1:46:11
you go.
1:46:13
Adam Curry: The bud sniffing is
could be very bad. So it's, it's
1:46:19
nothing. It is. I'm telling you,
they're gonna pivot to quantum
1:46:28
computing. No, they have to,
they have to know
1:46:32
John C Dvorak: that. There's no
logical pivot there. There's
1:46:34
they're going to pivot I'm not
going to argue the point the
1:46:37
pivot is climate, they always do
that the pivot pivot from Ai
1:46:41
they did in the 80s. They did in
the 50s. Well, hold
1:46:44
Adam Curry: on, hold on. This is
a good point, when in the 50s,
1:46:47
neither you or I know but in the
80s, when they pivoted away when
1:46:52
the AI Winter came in the 80s
word that they pivot to,
1:46:56
John C Dvorak: they will do all
I can tell well, they pivoted to
1:47:00
the internet, I believe. And
they they bailed on the AI. And
1:47:06
the thing is, the funny thing
about the Stanford woman is that
1:47:10
Stanford was one of the two sort
of one of the two main AI areas
1:47:15
who was Stanford and I think was
MIT. And and I think Carnegie
1:47:19
Mellon has some maybe had their
toe in the water. But when they
1:47:23
bailed they basically destroyed
all their research to a lot of
1:47:27
the research has been just they
got rid of it because it was too
1:47:29
embarrassing. And they had to
start over they people would dug
1:47:36
up some of the old stuff is
really got to kick started a new
1:47:40
AI movement. The right there. I
don't know, I think I don't know
1:47:46
the
1:47:46
Adam Curry: reason. The reason
why I say quantum computers is a
1:47:50
because it's not real, be well,
it's
1:47:52
John C Dvorak: been around but
it's already been there as we're
1:47:54
already past the quantum
computing fad. Okay,
1:47:59
Adam Curry: this is a headline
from the hill. If countries are
1:48:03
serious about climate change,
they better get serious about
1:48:07
quantum computing. And the story
goes like this quantum computing
1:48:12
uses laws of quantum physics to
store and process information
1:48:17
and rapidly solve complex
problems. Quantum computers
1:48:21
available today require
additional maturation to deliver
1:48:26
on their full potential. Then
here it is, quantum computers
1:48:30
will be able to accelerate
improvements in batteries, which
1:48:34
are pivotable to the pivotal to
the renewable energy transition.
1:48:39
And they keep going on about oh,
companies like BMW are
1:48:43
investigating the use of quantum
computers to identify optimal
1:48:47
locations to install electric
vehicle charging stations. Why
1:48:51
you need a quantum computer for
that? How bows are likely none.
1:48:56
Daimler partner with IBM to use
quantum simulation to better
1:49:01
understand lithium sulfur
batteries and explore how to
1:49:04
boost batteries charge capacity,
diminish energy loss via heat
1:49:09
and lower production costs.
Doesn't that sound a lot like
1:49:12
AI?
1:49:15
John C Dvorak: Well, what you're
saying my interpretation of what
1:49:19
you're getting at is that you
see such a smokescreen of BS
1:49:27
that well there's a smokescreen
of BS here. Yes. So why don't we
1:49:31
just move over to the other
smoke screen
1:49:33
Adam Curry: went from blockchain
to AI. I mean, that was
1:49:36
smokescreen. smokescreen.
Everybody knew blockchain was
1:49:40
crap.
1:49:41
John C Dvorak: I don't think
blockchain was the was the entry
1:49:44
point for AI?
1:49:46
Adam Curry: Not at all. Oh no.
For the markets charm for the
1:49:48
markets. That was crypto and
blockchain and that was that was
1:49:54
right before Oh, now it's AI.
Oh, AI. What? No, I think it's a
1:49:58
separate track we need Need
reasons for Nvidia to overcharge
1:50:02
for their chips? Quantum is the
next way for that.
1:50:07
John C Dvorak: If you didn't
react bla, here's the problem
1:50:08
with that. The Nvidia chips
which are more or less perfect
1:50:13
for AI, because you get to, you
need so much computing power to
1:50:17
do the stupidest stuff,
including where a dog is fast.
1:50:23
It's like, yeah, nailed it.
Quantum Computing is a different
1:50:28
type of computing. I mean, it's,
the architecture is totally
1:50:33
alien, and no one can do it. I
mean, we google claims to have
1:50:37
made a quantum computer that
solve some problem. And it's
1:50:41
there, I never bought into that
is bullcrap. The state this is a
1:50:45
joke.
1:50:47
Unknown: The
1:50:49
Adam Curry: great article, how
artists are now sabotaging AI
1:50:55
with data poisoning. Have you
heard of this? No.
1:51:00
John C Dvorak: But this reminds
me of what vandals like to me
1:51:04
this vandalism. Yes. Yes. Well,
yeah. And vandals. Vandals are
1:51:08
out to just like, for example,
the driverless cars. Yeah, there
1:51:12
is a subculture of vandals that
like to put like an X on a stop
1:51:18
sign or, or put some word over
the word stop on a stop sign or,
1:51:23
or take stop signs out where
they belong. And even though
1:51:26
it's still on the road, and do
stuff to screw up the driverless
1:51:30
car. Yes. And it doesn't take
much. It turns out well,
1:51:34
Adam Curry: there's a tool
called Nightshade. And you run
1:51:38
your image through nightshade,
and it alters the pixels in a
1:51:42
way that screws up the way the
computer the AI looks at the
1:51:50
image and what it interprets
from the image. So the example
1:51:54
they give here is you need an
image of a balloon. You'd prompt
1:52:00
red balloon against a blue sky
but it returns an egg
1:52:07
John C Dvorak: love this. I love
this. I love these guys.
1:52:11
Adam Curry: Great. This is
fancy. So it's already becoming
1:52:15
just a great it's just great.
It's fun. The AI is entertaining
1:52:20
and good for our show. That's
pretty much
1:52:23
John C Dvorak: is that I think
the whole key is entertainment.
1:52:25
Yes. That's all this is hardly
anything you want to worry
1:52:29
yourself sick about. Yeah, I
mean, it could get tedious at at
1:52:33
some point. But
1:52:35
Adam Curry: we have in that in
that thing. The poor boy brought
1:52:38
up something called Dead
internet. And dead internet is
1:52:45
this idea that everything on the
internet will just be a bot and
1:52:50
everything your this probably to
some degree there's already a
1:52:52
lot of that going on. And that
you'll be you'll think that
1:52:58
you'll be having conversations
with people we just talking with
1:53:01
bots all day long. I think
that's kind of we're already
1:53:03
there. I
1:53:03
John C Dvorak: think some people
can be stuck in that mode. Yeah,
1:53:06
yeah.
1:53:07
Adam Curry: Especially in cells.
1:53:10
John C Dvorak: organ cells.
Yeah,
1:53:12
Adam Curry: sadly, sadly.
1:53:13
John C Dvorak: Okay with this
cute female bots. She's She
1:53:16
loves me. She says if I sent her
enough money, she can get she
1:53:22
can leave South Carolina to I
guess she was a runner up to
1:53:25
miss South Carolina. She's gonna
move out here with me. I
1:53:29
Adam Curry: don't know if it's
just me but the the pig
1:53:31
butchering is at an all time
high right now. I am getting so
1:53:35
many text messages. You know
that we know how this works.
1:53:40
We've discussed it several
times. The pig butchering where
1:53:43
they send you a note let me see
I have one here. From a 510 area
1:53:47
code. How are you? How's it
going? Okay, so we'll skip that
1:53:51
when there's more creative ones.
Let me see when was the other
1:53:55
one I had? Hey, I saved your
number but I didn't save your
1:53:59
name. Who are you? Yeah, no, no,
I'm gonna answer that area code
1:54:03
906
1:54:05
John C Dvorak: What are they
what what are we talking about
1:54:08
here? He butchering
1:54:08
Adam Curry: where you reply. And
then and then and then they send
1:54:13
you know it's always some hot
Asian chick and then she sends
1:54:15
you an image like oh, you kind
of cute and then eventually you
1:54:19
wind up investing in some
cryptocurrency and you make
1:54:22
money. You make money because
it's a phony fake front. You
1:54:26
make money and then they get you
to mortgage your house. It's a
1:54:30
long game long, long game long
game.
1:54:32
John C Dvorak: Here's a bunch of
a bunch of these phonies on
1:54:35
LinkedIn nowadays. Linda
1:54:37
Adam Curry: How soon will you
pick me up that's a good one.
1:54:40
That's an interesting one.
1:54:42
John C Dvorak: Are these your
phone messages? Yeah, this
1:54:44
Adam Curry: is a text message.
Hey, what are you doing as that
1:54:46
one? Yeah. Oh, this this is
rampant in your probably comes
1:54:51
from x blue. Are you there?
Question mark. Yeah, yeah,
1:54:58
John C Dvorak: it's None of
these,
1:55:01
Adam Curry: you don't even use
your phone.
1:55:03
John C Dvorak: It's in the
drawer. Yeah, I will I have to
1:55:06
talk about this is when when
things we're going to talk
1:55:08
about, when January 1 comes
around, I will have gone one
1:55:12
entire year without a cell
phone, carrying a cell phone, or
1:55:18
having a cell phone or even
having an account for a cell
1:55:20
phone one entire year. And I
bring this up to certain people
1:55:25
and like I brought it up at the
bank the other day, and
1:55:28
everybody goes nuts. How do you
do it? I wish I could do that.
1:55:35
And of course, my response I
wish I could do that is just do
1:55:38
it. You go How can you do that?
How do you?
1:55:45
Adam Curry: How do you How would
you do it? How do you function?
1:55:48
How do you live? How is it
possible? I mean, do you have a
1:55:51
life? Do you have friends? Do
you know what I mean? Did you
1:55:53
have a seeing eye dog? How can
you live without your phone?
1:55:59
It's pretty
1:56:00
John C Dvorak: much the reaction
you get from everyone. And it's
1:56:03
like this was only just before
2007 When people didn't carry
1:56:07
these phones around like crazy.
It's not that long ago, it's
1:56:10
less than 20 years in the entire
population has been addicted to
1:56:15
carry your phone around. And
like use pointed out to me,
1:56:17
which I didn't notice at the
time as a couple of years ago.
1:56:20
And I see nothing he bought guys
and gals walking around with a
1:56:25
phone in their hand, all the
time, wherever they go their
1:56:29
phone, or their hand them two
1:56:31
Adam Curry: of them. Sometimes
two women sometimes have two
1:56:35
phones. I see that a lot. One is
1:56:39
John C Dvorak: like work. It
turns out that you don't need
1:56:43
that he had the phone. I mean,
once in a while you'd be at a
1:56:46
study at the store or something,
you know, wonder so and so once
1:56:49
you call us if you want to buy
one of these as on sale, you
1:56:54
don't need to do that. And then
while you're there, the response
1:56:57
I get is hey, you bet you I get
text messages from me. I get
1:57:00
texts, you do have a phone,
you're liar. And it's like no, I
1:57:04
use Google. Yeah, I use Google
Voice and which has text message
1:57:09
me to do it on the computer. I
come in and like when you open
1:57:12
it up once every week and find
some messages on there. I send
1:57:16
messages out to people who I
gotta send some information
1:57:20
important. Important people
important. Important. Yeah. And
1:57:25
you use
1:57:25
Adam Curry: you use your text
message twice a week for me
1:57:28
newsletter. Newsletter,
newsletter, please review,
1:57:34
newsletter, newsletter.
1:57:36
John C Dvorak: Well, you require
it. I wouldn't normally do that
1:57:39
because I send you the
newsletter and have to look at
1:57:42
Adam Curry: it because I'm
looking at my email all day. I
1:57:45
have
1:57:45
John C Dvorak: to because you're
stuck on a phone like everybody
1:57:48
else. I send you the dynamic
text.
1:57:50
Adam Curry: I am not stuck on a
phone. You have a phone. I'm the
1:57:55
graphene OS there's a lot of
stuff it doesn't know
1:57:57
John C Dvorak: I agree with I
mean you you've done your best.
1:57:59
Yes, I have. But you haven't
done you haven't gotten all the
1:58:03
way here's, here's the
1:58:04
Adam Curry: problem. Here's the
problem with with the phone.
1:58:09
Text messaging was kind of
useful, but it's been so
1:58:13
poisoned now. Because, you know,
I have Greg Abbott texting me
1:58:19
I've Kamala Harris texting me. I
got Joe Biden texting me. And
1:58:24
then they give my number out to
all these pig butchers who are
1:58:27
texting me. It's filled and you
have to be careful. It's like
1:58:31
hey, you know, this is this is
your bank, click here for for an
1:58:36
important message. And before
you know it, you know your bank
1:58:38
account is compromised. The two
factor authentication there's
1:58:44
there's nothing useful anymore
in communication. This is just
1:58:47
not a bureau I use signal. I use
telegram I use the what's the
1:58:53
what are the it's all crap. That
really is become very useless.
1:59:00
All of this, this. It used to be
that you got my phone and then a
1:59:04
couple of people have my number.
And if they if you really need
1:59:06
to get a hold of me, you're
important in my life. Now you
1:59:10
can have that. Now now because
everybody's important. Everybody
1:59:14
has my number that's just sold
over and over and over again.
1:59:18
John C Dvorak: Yeah, once it
gets out there. I should do
1:59:21
Rogan
1:59:21
Adam Curry: Joe Rogan just buys
a new number every like six
1:59:25
months. I know people that do
that. Yeah, he just gets in he
1:59:28
gets a whole new phone to just
gets a new phone. And he leaves
1:59:31
the leaves the other phone in
the you know at home. And then
1:59:35
if I send him a message Oh,
dude, yeah, here's my new
1:59:38
number. Or sometimes you'll tell
me if he changes the number and
1:59:42
he keeps the old one for a while
and then he gets rid of it. Yes,
1:59:45
John C Dvorak: of course a
number of people that do that.
1:59:47
So it's a it's a practice a lot
of people employ, but then
1:59:50
Adam Curry: I know lots of
people who have given up their
1:59:56
number and they got a new number
and then they're getting to text
2:00:00
messages from someone's old
number and oh yeah,
2:00:02
John C Dvorak: this is a huge
problem. And then people because
2:00:05
the old the new number is really
somebody else's old number that
2:00:08
they gave up to get a new
number, because they're getting
2:00:12
too many messages and now you're
stuck with that number getting
2:00:15
weird messages from people you
never knew.
2:00:18
Adam Curry: The only solution
really is to go into a system
2:00:21
where you pay you pay for the
resolution. Yes, I have this
2:00:25
leave it in the drawer. I have
no life. Drawer. Yeah.
2:00:30
John C Dvorak: I don't need the
aggravation of that. Uh, that's
2:00:32
why the other one I told one of
the tellers, he said, Why do you
2:00:36
what happens? How do people get
a hold of you say, go home and
2:00:39
get a hold of me on a landline?
I'm not a doctor, I don't need
2:00:44
to be gone call 24/7. If I was a
heart specialist, or somebody
2:00:49
like that, I would want to carry
a phone. Sure, but I'm not. I'm
2:00:53
a podcaster. Nobody needs to get
a hold of me.
2:00:57
Adam Curry: My friend is the ER
doctor. And he doesn't he
2:01:01
literally does not have a phone
at dinner. He did save a little
2:01:04
girl's life the other night and
we're having dinner.
2:01:07
John C Dvorak: How do you find
out because
2:01:09
Adam Curry: she she walked by
him. She's like seven years old.
2:01:12
And he immediately heard
something, which was her
2:01:15
choking. And he grabbed her and
like, bam, bam, bam, they're
2:01:20
back. Rip whips her head back
looks still not love. Boom,
2:01:23
boom, boom. And it popped right
out. I was witnessed it. Yes. We
2:01:29
were having dinner with them. It
was restaurant. Yes, it was. It
2:01:34
was I've never seen anyone's
training and be able to spring
2:01:39
into action like that. And he
heard it. She had the little
2:01:42
girls probably gonna try to go
around the table to get to her
2:01:45
mom on the other side. And she
was just choking. And he heard
2:01:48
that and he immediately knew
what to do. I was impressed does
2:01:52
not have a phone with them. Er,
Doctor.
2:01:56
John C Dvorak: Er is different
than your yet you. Yeah. It's
2:01:59
the same as being an on call.
And
2:02:01
Adam Curry: the reason why the
reason why is he doesn't want
2:02:04
the hospital to call and say we
you need to come in because it's
2:02:07
busy. That's why he doesn't have
a phone. But I did find out
2:02:13
something interesting of
interest. You know, we have the
2:02:16
big solar eclipse coming up.
2:02:20
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
The big one, April 8.
2:02:23
Adam Curry: These are things you
don't think about, but the
2:02:24
hospital has ordered quite a
number of body bags. They're
2:02:30
expecting so many people to come
to Fredericksburg. They expect
2:02:34
there to be a number of people
more people than normal that
2:02:36
will die and will need a body
Ben Oh, just
2:02:39
John C Dvorak: statistics. Yes.
Statistics. You got to be
2:02:42
prepared. You gotta have you
have people that that logistics
2:02:46
people who work at the hospital
that know these things? Hey, we
2:02:50
got to do this. We got to do
that. It
2:02:52
Adam Curry: will be it will be
great for a local news report so
2:02:54
people wouldn't come to you. You
have a statistical chance of
2:02:59
leaving Fredericksburg in a body
bad. Please don't come. Don't
2:03:05
visit us at all. Yeah, good
luck. Why do people do that for
2:03:09
15 minutes? Why are people
coming from all around the
2:03:12
world?
2:03:15
John C Dvorak: What is them when
they're there? Get out there
2:03:17
with a microphone and ask him
what? Why are you here, dummy.
2:03:20
Adam Curry: And believe me, the
phones will not work here. The
2:03:24
phones that we barely get
service. The overloaded Yeah, on
2:03:29
the weekends, it already
overloaded. All the retailers
2:03:33
they have to go to wired
terminals, because the wireless
2:03:37
terminals get overloaded on a
Saturday. Because the whole
2:03:40
because that works as a cell
network. No, no, no, it's stay
2:03:46
away the
2:03:47
John C Dvorak: end of
civilization.
2:03:51
Adam Curry: Oh, well. That's a
good point. One of the trolls
2:03:53
says the phone companies will
bring in the event trucks. Yeah,
2:03:56
maybe. Maybe. Yeah, they
2:03:58
John C Dvorak: can do that. To
do that.
2:03:59
Adam Curry: I'm good. I'm
bringing up my ham radio stuff.
2:04:02
I'm sick of it. I need to be
prepared. And then where the end
2:04:05
is near.
2:04:06
John C Dvorak: I can take a
three parter here with the
2:04:07
Chinese election meddling.
2:04:09
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought it was
only Russia that does that. No.
2:04:12
Turns
2:04:13
John C Dvorak: out China does it
more than Russia. Okay,
2:04:16
Adam Curry: part one. Yeah.
2:04:18
Unknown: A recent report by the
the intelligence community finds
2:04:21
that the Chinese regime tried to
meddle in the 2022 midterm
2:04:25
elections. Does it work and what
will happen in the 2024
2:04:29
election? Joining us now is Dean
Baxendale CEO of China democracy
2:04:33
fund and optimum publishing
International. Baxendale just
2:04:38
published a new book, The Mosaic
effect, how the Chinese
2:04:41
Communist Party started a hybrid
war in America's backyard. Now
2:04:45
there's a declassified US
intelligence report that says
2:04:49
China tried to meddle in the
2022 midterm elections in the
2:04:52
US. how seriously should we be
taking this?
2:04:56
I think we should be taking this
extremely seriously this year.
2:05:00
and the intelligence community
are doing a great service for
2:05:03
America, and quite frankly for
the free world by declassifying
2:05:07
and making some of these reports
available to the public to
2:05:10
understand that malign state
governments like Chinese
2:05:14
Communist Party, Russia, Iran,
all interfering in elections
2:05:19
around the world. So I would say
yes, it's extremely important to
2:05:22
this report, this information is
coming out. On that note, the
2:05:26
report notes that China quote
tacitly approved efforts to try
2:05:30
to influence a handful of
midterm racism voting members of
2:05:33
both US political parties, those
are candidates seen as anti
2:05:37
China now, how is China able to
influence elections outside of
2:05:41
their own borders? So
2:05:43
as you know, the Chinese
Communist Party uses the United
2:05:46
Front work department, globally?
2:05:50
Adam Curry: This is she brings
up it kind of an interesting
2:05:52
point without even thinking
about it. Both candidates, both
2:05:56
sides hate China, who are they
trying to tip the scales for?
2:06:01
John C Dvorak: The people who do
our candidates who don't have a
2:06:04
hatred of China and they don't
express it deal with threatened
2:06:07
China? You know, the Stooges?
Eric Swalwell types of Fangfang
2:06:13
Adam Curry: don't need to go
hack him. I just put Fangfang
2:06:15
next to him in bed, or
2:06:17
John C Dvorak: any any woman I
think. Yeah, this thing called
2:06:22
the united front. Sounds
sketchy. Yeah, you can look it
2:06:26
up. It's in Wikipedia, it's got
a story about it here go to part
2:06:29
two,
2:06:29
Unknown: they're running
operations. In Canada, the
2:06:32
United States, Mexico, the UK,
they have united front people
2:06:38
who will ultimately control
various media outlets,
2:06:42
throughout and proxy
corporations, especially in
2:06:45
Canada, where we have 56 media
outlets that are either
2:06:47
controlled directly or
indirectly by the Chinese
2:06:50
Communist Party or proxies,
they're attached to the united
2:06:53
front. So they're using their
own information within the
2:06:57
Chinese community to change
votes or persuade Chinese guys
2:07:02
or community members to vote in
a certain way or to view a
2:07:06
politician in a certain way that
might be negative towards China,
2:07:11
and therefore, that is one way
they would with the influence in
2:07:14
terms directly in the media. The
next of course, is social media,
2:07:18
and their use of trolls and
bots, Will that continue to put
2:07:22
out disinformation or
misinformation? Or do you want
2:07:25
one look at it, and actually
exacerbate points of division,
2:07:30
both on the left and the right,
that alienate voters and
2:07:34
actually influenced them in
voting in particular? Wait
2:07:38
Adam Curry: a minute. The
Chinese are using Putin's
2:07:41
playbook?
2:07:43
John C Dvorak: Yes, Chinese
playbook. No, it's
2:07:45
Adam Curry: Putin his playbook.
I'm not buying any of this. This
2:07:48
is all bull crap. The i Okay. I
think we don't need Chinese
2:07:53
helping us argue on social
media. Seriously?
2:07:59
John C Dvorak: Well, it might be
one of those things where
2:08:00
they're doing stuff because they
think it's effective. Well, duh,
2:08:04
is really just a joke. They're
just fooling
2:08:06
Adam Curry: themselves that that
that cyber front, whatever it's
2:08:09
called, they're, they're united
front, united front, they're
2:08:12
stealing money from the Chinese
government. They don't need any
2:08:15
of that. Just just post one word
Trump and then back away and
2:08:19
Unknown: see what happens to
Trump.
2:08:21
Adam Curry: That's all you need.
2:08:22
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's
actually that would work that
2:08:24
does work. Yeah,
2:08:25
Adam Curry: I can get paid for
that.
2:08:28
John C Dvorak: Right. You don't
need to listen to the last of
2:08:30
this.
2:08:30
Adam Curry: Are you sure I'm
enjoying?
2:08:33
John C Dvorak: Okay, go play.
2:08:34
Unknown: And in terms of the
United Front Work Department
2:08:36
give us a sense of how does this
relate to the Chinese Communist
2:08:39
Party? Is this its own little
category? Or is it backed by the
2:08:43
government? So
2:08:44
as you know, the United Front
actually is the Department of
2:08:47
the Chinese Communist Party
there was over I believe now
2:08:50
there's over the close to 40,000
employees around the world,
2:08:56
their influence operations, both
soft power and sharp power
2:09:00
operations inside countries
around the globe power to ensure
2:09:05
that China is viewed as a
positive and a great nation to
2:09:09
do business with and to
ultimately partner with their
2:09:13
propaganda operations.
misinformation, disinformation.
2:09:16
Propaganda is just one of the
many tools used by the United
2:09:20
Front, you know, throughout the
world, you can look at other
2:09:23
elements of the United Front
including, you know, direct
2:09:27
political influence operations
in terms of bribes or and or
2:09:32
money that's being donated
directly into
2:09:35
donated for instance,
2:09:38
or directly into constituencies
that may influence a politician
2:09:42
and how he views in particular
issue that may be pro or against
2:09:46
the Chinese Communist Party's
ambitions.
2:09:48
John C Dvorak: Donate to no
agenda. Yeah,
2:09:51
Adam Curry: this is yeah, you
know, okay, fine. Fine, aye.
2:09:57
Aye. All of this influence on
the The Internet No, none of it.
2:10:02
None of social media is is just
the place where you going yell?
2:10:06
Because you're hooked on it
because yeah, people are hooked
2:10:09
on it. And it's it's unhealthy.
2:10:12
John C Dvorak: They're hooked to
their phone, the phone, same
2:10:14
thing.
2:10:14
Adam Curry: You know, you you
brought something up on the last
2:10:18
show the show before that about
me stopping smoking weed and how
2:10:21
Mimi thought that was great.
2:10:23
John C Dvorak: And a lot of
other people chimed in saying
2:10:25
yes. And
2:10:27
Adam Curry: what's interesting
is I have received at least 10
2:10:30
emails 10 that say, Oh, wow, I
would like to quit smoking weed
2:10:39
too. How did you do it? This is
this is an unexpected response
2:10:42
from our audience that dead.
Yeah. So I would like to give a
2:10:46
brief overview of how I did it.
I want to
2:10:48
John C Dvorak: be interested in
myself even though I don't know
2:10:51
why care. Well,
2:10:52
Adam Curry: one, I had a small
incentive, because my
2:10:56
periodontist called and said,
Adam, I'm going to operate on
2:10:58
you stop putting fire in your
mouth. It makes it harder for me
2:11:02
to operate and harder for you to
recover. So I had an incentive.
2:11:05
I've had lots of incentives in
the past. But I quit cold
2:11:09
turkey. This is the number one
quit cold turkey. Number two, I
2:11:14
vaped. Not in fact, it wasn't it
not even nicotine just a vape
2:11:19
mainly for the oral fixation.
The process of having something
2:11:24
in my hands. This is this is I
found that to be the hardest. I
2:11:27
do want more I'm going to do I'm
missing that motion. I also got
2:11:31
a geek vape that's a brand which
gives you more to do because you
2:11:36
have to build the coil yourself
and put the
2:11:39
John C Dvorak: cotton like, like
pipe smokers. Yes,
2:11:41
Adam Curry: yes, very precisely.
So part of it for me weed was
2:11:45
the process of roll, I could
roll a joint with one hand
2:11:49
behind my back. I mean, while
driving no problem. So that
2:11:53
having the process of doing
something, I also had a project
2:11:57
to work on because you become
very productive very quickly
2:12:01
within a day. And so I set up a
Trillium database just have
2:12:07
something to do. I set up a
Trillium so I have something I
2:12:12
have a project and final advice
2:12:16
John C Dvorak: has been a bottle
might be more appropriate for
2:12:18
most of the puzzle ship
2:12:20
Adam Curry: in a bottle. Have a
project like like Lego?
2:12:26
John C Dvorak: Lego? Yeah, Lego.
2:12:28
Adam Curry: Have a partner to
keep you in check. Because if
2:12:31
you're alone, that's the worst
if you're alone, then the devil
2:12:36
will come and get you and be
like well no one's gonna see I'm
2:12:38
just have one toke and and take
it one day at a time then one
2:12:42
week and one month and now it's
been 14 months.
2:12:45
John C Dvorak: And I worked 18
months I didn't realize it was
2:12:47
that long already. Oh, yeah.
2:12:49
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was it was
it was Thanksgiving last year.
2:12:53
So yeah, Dominus
2:12:56
John C Dvorak: longer than I've
been off the phone.
2:12:59
Adam Curry: Together we're a
catch. We're great guys
2:13:04
together. Alright, sticking with
a quitting before we take our
2:13:08
break here. Something very
interesting happening for the
2:13:12
holiday season. Via is you
thought ozempic was good. It's
2:13:17
holiday season with
2:13:18
Unknown: the holiday season in
full swing. Some people who take
2:13:21
drugs use for weight loss such
as ozempic are planning a pause
2:13:26
on their prescriptions ahead of
celebrations arrow Russia was
2:13:29
back with the details and what
to know good morning Ariel Good
2:13:33
morning
2:13:33
again, Robin. As we know many
have seen dramatic results
2:13:36
taking this class of medications
for weight loss but some say
2:13:39
they need a break for the
holidays. Whether it's for a
2:13:41
little indulgence or cost
savings. Doctors caution it's a
2:13:45
trade off.
2:13:46
Adam Curry: This is I found this
to be interesting. Well
2:13:49
John C Dvorak: I find it to be
ridiculous. I thought the whole
2:13:51
idea was your take there was me
so you can you can chow down.
2:13:55
No,
2:13:56
Adam Curry: no, I think the
reason why people are stopping
2:13:59
is because otherwise you're
throwing up all day. You know
2:14:01
it's like you go to have
Christmas dinner and I gotta go
2:14:04
take a dump I gotta go puke. I
don't feel good.
2:14:07
Unknown: This season for holiday
feasting and now some using
2:14:10
medications like ozempic Manjaro
and we go V for weight loss say
2:14:14
they're taking a vacation from
the drugs
2:14:17
and popular opinion in the
semaglutide world. Julie still
2:14:21
Kelly who lost
2:14:22
38 pounds says she's foregoing
the appetite suppressing
2:14:25
semaglutide in favor of feeling
less uncomfortably full and
2:14:29
fielding fewer questions during
festive meals. She skipped her
2:14:33
dose during Thanksgiving. What I
2:14:34
noticed was I was still able to
eat the things that I really
2:14:38
wanted to indulge a little bit I
just had to be really conscious
2:14:41
about how I was feeling what I
was eating how fast I was eating
2:14:46
it
2:14:47
for Kaylee Svenson, who lost 90
pounds on Manjaro. Cutting back
2:14:51
this time of year is a financial
decision. A trade off to put
2:14:54
presents under the tree.
2:14:56
It's something that is
financially extraordinarily
2:14:59
expensive for our fans. way to
afford because our insurance
2:15:01
isn't covering it. I can make a
box last six weeks instead of
2:15:05
four that will save me a couple
100 Extra.
2:15:07
Adam Curry: I think this
contained a minute. I think this
2:15:09
may be part of the ploy to get
this thing on Medicare. Look at
2:15:13
these poor people they put
presents under the tree to sack
2:15:22
sacrifice family
2:15:23
Unknown: to afford because our
insurance isn't covering it. If
2:15:26
I can make a box last six weeks
instead of four that will save
2:15:29
me a couple 100 extra dollars.
Kaylee
2:15:31
says her prescription cost her
more than $1,000 for for single
2:15:35
use doses. If I
2:15:36
can stretch it for 10 days
instead of every week that helps
2:15:39
me push off you know the expense
a little bit. Doctors
2:15:44
caution pausing the treatments
can come with some side effects
2:15:47
like nausea, increased appetite
and weight gain.
2:15:50
If a patient skips their
medication for one to two weeks,
2:15:54
there is a potential for them to
have some increased side
2:15:57
effects, they might not see
those improvements in their
2:15:59
hunger and appetite. Ah,
2:16:02
Adam Curry: here's another part,
don't stop taking it.
2:16:05
Unknown: And so they'll
inevitably eat more and that may
2:16:07
contribute to some weight gain.
And
2:16:09
with all of the temptations this
time of year doctors say this
2:16:12
may not be the ideal time to
pause treatment if you're hoping
2:16:15
to maintain your progress but a
week or so shouldn't set you too
2:16:18
far back guys and there are
temptations this time of year.
2:16:22
Adam Curry: God how many people
are on this stuff. So I do have
2:16:28
a you have quick two quick boots
on the ground notices important
2:16:31
for us to know. I incorrectly
stated that semaglutide is out
2:16:41
of patent wrongs as James. He
says semaglutide and all other
2:16:49
GLP one agonists are not generic
the patent does not expire until
2:16:54
July 17 2026. The compound a GLP
one agonists you spoke of our
2:17:01
reverse engineered formulas.
There are no generics of ozempic
2:17:06
trulicity or any other GLP one
agonist because they are still
2:17:09
patented. The different names of
Novo Nordisk products are just
2:17:14
branding for the same drug
different doses. Yes, we got
2:17:17
that. And then a second boots on
the ground note. And this is
2:17:21
about the cost. I have a client
who has just started taking the
2:17:26
compounded versions of
semaglutide. We have pharmacy
2:17:29
pharmacists, in our vast boots
on the ground army, they add
2:17:33
vitamin B 12 to it, which
qualifies it as a new drug. My
2:17:38
client is getting it from a
compounding pharmacy in
2:17:40
Pennsylvania. So that's the
workaround is yeah, you just get
2:17:44
the you get the semaglutide You
throw some beat 12 in new drug,
2:17:47
it's okay. The compounded
version comes in a vial and the
2:17:50
patient must use a standard
syringe to draw it. That's why
2:17:53
people are overdosing short. The
compound version was prescribed
2:17:57
by her PCP primary care
physician, I guess. And it's
2:18:01
only $250 A month instead of the
typical 1000. The drug sells in
2:18:05
every other country in the world
for $30. Yeah, the main reason
2:18:10
for the increased increased
price is the PBMs. pharmacy
2:18:15
benefit managers you remember
this term? Yep. This is what
2:18:18
Trump went
2:18:19
John C Dvorak: after. Yeah,
Trump went after him. And
2:18:21
supposedly Biden did something
about it. But there's no
2:18:24
evidence of it. Biden talks a
big game, but none of this ever
2:18:26
happens. This is like Biden
talking a big game about the
2:18:30
climate change and the rest of
them we have more oil production
2:18:33
than ever. Yeah, he's just full
of crap. This guy all knows the
2:18:38
theme.
2:18:38
Adam Curry: All of the pharmacy
benefit managers are owned by
2:18:41
pharmacies like CVS owns optim
RX, they approve or disapprove
2:18:46
the prescribed drug for
coverage. Then the PBM jacks up
2:18:49
the price to the patient while
sharing the profits with the
2:18:51
parent company. Ultimately, what
a deal ultimately,
2:18:57
John C Dvorak: I'm all in
ultimately
2:18:59
Adam Curry: it's congress that's
to blame. And that's not going
2:19:01
to change because of all the
lobbying I mean bribes. Oh damn
2:19:03
greedy bastards. Okay, very
good. That's your boots on the
2:19:06
ground. You're screwed.
2:19:08
John C Dvorak: You're screwed.
And you will be forever forever.
2:19:11
Adam Curry: And with that, I'd
like to thank you for your
2:19:13
courage saying good morning to
you the man who put the seat in
2:19:15
the cheating machine say hello
to my friend on the other end
2:19:18
the One Only Mr. Johnson
2:19:25
John C Dvorak: in the morning,
hello chips. Feet near subs in
2:19:27
the water under names and nights
out there we
2:19:29
Adam Curry: are well into the
Christmas holiday here Christmas
2:19:32
week which means the trolls will
be off and galavanting about
2:19:36
let's have a check. Oh no. 1741
This is not good. This is a very
2:19:47
low troll calm. We have low tea.
2:19:49
John C Dvorak: That's actually
not bad. We have I just want to
2:19:52
say we have been hundreds the
number we're shoot for on
2:19:54
Thursday. We have low Tuesday.
2:19:56
Adam Curry: We have low tea
though. We do have low today.
2:19:58
Today. Today's So, today's
Thursday, I think, today's
2:20:04
Thursday,
2:20:04
John C Dvorak: so 1750 is fine.
Okay.
2:20:08
Adam Curry: Thank goodness.
Thank goodness. Well, you can
2:20:11
join the trolls in the troll
room troll room.io also known as
2:20:15
no agenda stream.com It's a live
stream 24/7 It's pretty cool. We
2:20:20
got a lot of podcasts there a
lot of people doing live
2:20:23
podcasts, which you can enjoy
there with the streaming the
2:20:27
streaming audio. We
2:20:28
John C Dvorak: do that on the
Devorah core with some plugged.
2:20:30
Adam Curry: Yes. May I give you
props, by the way, for the
2:20:33
DeVore Ichor if you predicted
some kind of weird buy out with
2:20:38
with was a Disney no never is
covering. Yeah. And the next day
2:20:43
they announced that there's some
merger or something. Yeah,
2:20:46
John C Dvorak: well, no, they're
in talks with Paramount. Yeah,
2:20:48
Adam Curry: but you you called
it
2:20:51
John C Dvorak: astonishing.
2:20:53
Adam Curry: You got some weird
insider transaction that was
2:20:56
like, No, it's like it was a
screwball
2:20:58
John C Dvorak: one too. It was
weird. It was very strange.
2:21:00
Yeah, he had to go back listen
to the show you go.
2:21:02
Adam Curry: So yeah, so you can
hear DH unplugged on Tuesdays.
2:21:06
You guys go live what eight
o'clock? Eight o'clock Eastern
2:21:09
nine o'clock Eastern. I can't
remember what time What time is
2:21:12
it for you when you start? Seven
is 10 o'clock Eastern know that?
2:21:15
Oh, yeah. 1010 Eastern There you
go. Yeah, when seven o'clock?
2:21:18
Yeah, this is fun. I always love
listening to you guys. You know
2:21:23
nothing about Bitcoin, by the
way should stay away from that.
2:21:27
John C Dvorak: We know nothing
about Bitcoin we just don't like
2:21:29
Adam Curry: you don't like what
I know. I know. That's that's
2:21:32
very clear. So you can also and
this is what we recommend is get
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a modern podcast app, you can
find that at podcast apps.com.
2:21:44
Because not just for our show.
But there are many podcasts that
2:21:49
you may like that will suddenly
just disappear if you're using
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Apple or Spotify. Spotify is
taking away podcasts on a daily
2:21:56
basis. They just cancel people
and I haven't tracked apple but
2:22:00
they do the same thing. They get
a call something's not right,
2:22:03
whatever the any of this is
gone. And that will not happen
2:22:07
with a modern podcast app. In
addition to that, you will get a
2:22:10
notification within 90 seconds
of us publishing the show that
2:22:14
has been updated. We have
chapter images, we have
2:22:17
transcripts which you can search
in which is very handy. Like oh,
2:22:21
there's something that show what
to find. There's all these
2:22:23
benefits that you get and is
completely open source and a
2:22:27
bunch of cool people make it
2:22:28
John C Dvorak: so now I want to
give a benefit out to one of our
2:22:32
longtime producers. And I don't
want to give his his email out
2:22:37
but I'm going to do it. Patrick
may calm Sir Patrick may 15 $50
2:22:44
Every show forever. And he's in
New York. I think Sir Patrick
2:22:47
makeup? Yes. No, I got laid off
after 10 years for my tech job
2:22:51
because he quit he quit. He quit
his donation and I sent him a
2:22:55
note I said what happened? I got
laid off. 10 years from my tech
2:22:58
job I resumed donating in want
to get a new gig right before
2:23:03
Christmas. He was he was there
forever. Last day is early
2:23:07
January, we'll spend the holiday
working on my resume. Let me
2:23:10
know if anyone needs someone
with 10 plus years of code
2:23:13
experience 20 plus years of
front end plus eight years of
2:23:18
back end development plus five
years of blockchain three plus
2:23:22
three that have something else I
can't figure out what he's
2:23:26
somebody yatta yatta yatta Keep
up the great work. Email Patrick
2:23:30
may calm pa t ric
kmacom@gmail.com I have
2:23:38
Adam Curry: two pieces of advice
for Ben I think he's a service
2:23:41
you know thank you sir patch Oh
yeah, he said probably a barren
2:23:45
two piece of advice a put in
three years of AI experience
2:23:49
please just do it and just do it
just throw it in to consider
2:23:53
image makers inc.com That's
image makers Inc with a k.com.
2:24:00
My job this is a value for value
podcast. Speaking of value for
2:24:08
value, the I heard something
that you have not promoted yet
2:24:12
on this show, which I maybe you
felt that was out of place. But
2:24:18
it seems the success of too many
eggs.com there is now a new book
2:24:24
from gate view publishing, which
I believe is titled The ABCs of
2:24:29
stock investing.
2:24:31
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there you
get the PDF there at gate view
2:24:34
publishing.com.
2:24:38
Adam Curry: Explain what it is
because I liked I like your
2:24:41
John C Dvorak: kids book. It's a
kids book with ABCs and each one
2:24:45
of the ABCs has some sort of
some some investment term for
2:24:52
kids. With illustrations with
illustration with a yeah
2:24:56
illustrations.
2:24:57
Adam Curry: Nice cute Um, I like
your little publishing Empire
2:25:02
you guys are putting together
2:25:03
John C Dvorak: yeah, there.
Yeah. And I would recommend, by
2:25:06
the way, since we're actually in
negotiations with another
2:25:09
publisher to do for the AIG book
for them to take over the
2:25:12
distribution rights, if that
happens, the I'm pretty sure on
2:25:17
this, I could talk him out of
it, the PDF will end up going
2:25:21
away. So I recommend, which I
think is I have my arguments for
2:25:26
why you should PDF all these
products. But
2:25:28
Adam Curry: you know, this
sounds suspiciously like an exit
2:25:30
strategy. Jhansi Dvorak?
2:25:33
John C Dvorak: No, no. And so
it's it's a, it's a tax
2:25:36
strategy. Oh, and so, anyway,
too many eggs.com that PDF file,
2:25:42
grab a copy just for your own
good, that's
2:25:45
Adam Curry: too bad. Because I
was thinking, Can we not do our
2:25:48
value for value book and have
that we're
2:25:50
John C Dvorak: gonna do it. It's
on the list. We got to do three
2:25:52
books next year. But
2:25:53
Adam Curry: can we export and we
don't have an exit strategy? Can
2:25:56
I can I do this? Wait a minute,
wait a minute. Can I do my own
2:25:59
old can I do my I was an MTV
guidebook. Can we absolutely
2:26:04
held hostage by my hair? You
know, stuff like that? Oh,
2:26:08
John C Dvorak: great title.
2:26:09
Adam Curry: Thank you. I want to
exit John, I've done we need to
2:26:12
be planning for the future.
2:26:15
John C Dvorak: Just the thought
well, with these kinds of
2:26:17
donations, which, for example,
we had this promotion I pitched
2:26:22
about earlier, the shelf.
Promotion was great. 1618. What
2:26:28
is it called? The Golden Golden
Ratio, Golden Ratio, he got a
2:26:33
total of three donations for
$16.18. A little less than, you
2:26:40
know, a typical promotion.
Definitely doesn't keep up with
2:26:43
the Ph. D. program.
2:26:45
Adam Curry: There was no But uh,
yeah, yeah, up me. I want this
2:26:48
face it. People don't like math.
They don't like the golden
2:26:54
ratio, like the golden ratio.
And that's okay. We've had other
2:26:57
flops, the golden ratio gets no
respect. So we have this whole
2:27:02
concept. I actually went on a
Twitter spaces the other day.
2:27:06
Oh, god, that was rough. You
know what I did at Twitter
2:27:09
spaces, spaces, spaces,
2:27:12
John C Dvorak: spaces.
2:27:13
Adam Curry: It's like a chat
room with on voice with a whole
2:27:16
bunch of people on Twitter. And
but I had to install the app.
2:27:21
John C Dvorak: It'd be dreadful.
2:27:22
Adam Curry: Well, you. Yeah, it
is. You have to install the app.
2:27:27
And then you get called up on
stage.
2:27:30
Unknown: Oh, God.
2:27:35
Adam Curry: I was explaining
value for value, which is always
2:27:38
fun. You said we've been doing
this for 16 years. So it works.
2:27:41
People get with the program.
Listen to our donation segment.
2:27:44
People love us. Then it's about
the feedback loop. You got to
2:27:47
get to read the notes. You got
to tell people you got to get to
2:27:50
thank people. It's very smart,
then it's not just money. It's
2:27:54
time talent or treasure. That's
the important part. Because we
2:27:59
technically have made more by
spending less. Now building
2:28:05
website, can you imagine if we
had to build our own website?
2:28:08
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or
2:28:11
John C Dvorak: hire artists to
do the art of
2:28:13
Adam Curry: well, you You led me
right to it? Or how about a
2:28:17
combo of that? What if you had a
guy who built a place where
2:28:20
artists could upload? And, and
okay, so sometimes things go
2:28:27
wrong and it breaks. But Sir
Paul couture, not only did he
2:28:32
fix no agenda art generator.com
But he upgraded it. We can you
2:28:36
imagine the meeting we have to
have with our provider? Hey, we
2:28:40
would like a refresh of no
agenda art generator.com They'd
2:28:45
be piling on the bills. That
2:28:48
John C Dvorak: mean a million
dollar site if it was going to
2:28:51
be $6 million.
2:28:53
Adam Curry: Bev has to have
meetings all kinds of horrible
2:28:57
things we don't like and so what
do we get we get a beautiful new
2:29:01
site from Sir Paul
2:29:02
John C Dvorak: you know, what's
interesting about the site I'd
2:29:03
go say this now as far as I'm
concerned is original site was
2:29:07
fine. Because I'm one of those
it's fine. Yeah. graded it to
2:29:13
the headless Drupal wherever the
last one was, and it was just a
2:29:16
such an improvement. It was
unbelievable. And so then he
2:29:19
goes I said, Well, what do you
got? Why would you improve that?
2:29:25
Course you know me, I'm the one
with the divorce.org/and That's
2:29:30
Adam Curry: fine. Have blink
tags and red ball dark. I don't
2:29:33
have blink
2:29:35
John C Dvorak: or cats running
across the screen. But I could
2:29:39
imagine Yes, so did he upgrades
to this ridiculously modern site
2:29:44
is like beyond you. I mean, this
guy should be working for I
2:29:49
don't know who But IBM are some
was some big money outbreak. I
2:29:54
mean, it's so modern. It is
very, I mean, the other one was
2:29:58
modern. The one before that was
modern. But to keep up and make
2:30:02
it modern, on top of modern, and
if
2:30:04
Adam Curry: you notice little
things like the artists icon is
2:30:07
in there, you know, the artist
profile page shows up in the
2:30:11
artwork. It has just has all
kinds of metadata. Whoo, that's
2:30:16
expensive metadata is It is
phenomenal. And it's a little
2:30:22
slow. But I think that's just
you know, he'll be good
2:30:26
optimize. And it just it has
leaderboards, it has all the
2:30:31
artists profiles. You load up
the page, it shows you how many
2:30:36
images 31.1 1000 images, how
many artists 1400 artists?
2:30:42
John C Dvorak: This is great.
Oh, yes, every artist. Yeah,
2:30:45
Adam Curry: thank you, Sir Paul
couture. We really appreciate if
2:30:48
you see Paul, you know, go hug
him. Might give him a big hug.
2:30:52
He
2:30:52
John C Dvorak: needs it.
2:30:53
Adam Curry: Give him a hug.
Yeah, it took him a couple of
2:30:56
weeks. You know, he had the
crash last month. Yeah. But you
2:31:00
know what's beautiful about it?
We just like, okay, that's fine.
2:31:03
Because it's value for values.
Like you wouldn't have to get
2:31:06
mad. I'd have to be calling
John. Like you hired the guy.
2:31:09
You finish. You fix it.
2:31:13
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's
actually what happens.
2:31:16
Especially with psychos like you
2:31:18
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, no,
call me a psycho. Okay.
2:31:21
John C Dvorak: This was reminds
me of the This is Adam back in
2:31:24
the day at at me, you know,
whatever was a bad show
2:31:29
originally. Okay, here we go
real casually smoking dope. He's
2:31:34
not in the office that much. But
he's there once in a while. So
2:31:37
he sent me this. He's very
lackadaisical. Yeah, even
2:31:40
people, you know, people should
put in a full day's work and I
2:31:43
don't see a big deal by coming
in on time. Or, you know, you
2:31:47
just gotta get in there. Do what
you have to do and and get out.
2:31:49
So one day we decided to go he
he decided to go in front of the
2:31:54
office. As people are coming in
late streaming in late. With him
2:32:01
standing there going us make it
smell dope.
2:32:05
Adam Curry: I was still smoking
dope, dope. Oh,
2:32:07
John C Dvorak: I'm glad you can
make it. Oh, did you check the
2:32:09
time? What what time? Is it? Oh,
good. I'm glad you could come
2:32:11
in. I'm glad you came in. And I
was giving him grief. And I
2:32:15
Adam Curry: was standing there
with you. We were I was
2:32:18
flabbergasted. It got to the
point where people just showed
2:32:23
up at noon. Like, come on
people. We have an office for
2:32:28
this is not COVID it was way
before COVID. Anyway, anyway,
2:32:32
John C Dvorak: by the way, the
mention of the of the Art
2:32:36
Generator brought it to its
knees once again. Of course.
2:32:41
Adam Curry: No agenda art
generator.com. Thank you, Sir
2:32:42
Paul couture. And thank you to
Dame Kenny Ben, who brought us
2:32:47
the outstanding artwork for
episode 1617. We titled that
2:32:51
torque in Russians, which we we
both thought that was a good
2:32:54
title. And the hohoho ozempic
Santa Claus that got lots of
2:33:01
traction. People thought that
was hilarious. That it was
2:33:05
hilarious. And it's not often
that you get such a compact,
2:33:10
beautiful, just a nugget of of
beauty. You know, with with it
2:33:16
was a takeoff it was a parody.
It was well, well illustrated.
2:33:20
It was the whole thing was was
professional. Again, something
2:33:25
we could never have afforded
you. Can you imagine Hey, can
2:33:28
you we got to this title is
torque and Russians, can you
2:33:30
whip up an image for us? That,
by the way, has nothing to do
2:33:33
with torquing? Russians? Oh,
what? You didn't listen to the
2:33:35
show? No, because what are
artists do? They're listening to
2:33:39
the show and they're doing the
stuff on the fly. It's amazing.
2:33:43
It is a true testament to value
for value. And we are incredibly
2:33:47
grateful to all of our artists.
Someone that said, You're being
2:33:51
performative.
2:33:54
John C Dvorak: When I say does
that mean? Well, nice regard it
2:33:57
Adam Curry: on the last show, I
said we'd like to thank that.
2:34:00
That's performative. Just say
thank you. That's a good point.
2:34:05
Politicians do that.
2:34:06
John C Dvorak: So thank you, if
you would like to say about
2:34:09
that.
2:34:09
Adam Curry: Yeah. That's another
one. Thank you, artists. Thank
2:34:12
thank all of you. And especially
Dame Kenny, Ben, we appreciate
2:34:16
you so much. Now let's go to the
treasure part of the value for
2:34:19
value model. This is where we
thank our executive and
2:34:21
Associate Executive producers
and everybody who supported us
2:34:24
with monetary donations up to we
are down to $50. And this is
2:34:31
really the stuff that keeps us
going and we start off with a
2:34:35
MCI we have a handwritten note
here from Emily Andrews, and she
2:34:40
is in Salina, Texas. And it come
up with a whopping 1465 I'm
2:34:47
loading her note which is
handwritten. And she says Dear
2:34:50
John, Adam, I last donated with
a shout out with a with a short
2:34:54
thank you and you guys seemed
Haven't seen something that the
2:35:04
note wasn't longer, though
seemed down the note was so
2:35:08
Okay, so she decided to write a
longer note. I'm writing the why
2:35:12
I originally heard about you
guys from mo fax. I really
2:35:15
appreciate listening to you guys
over COVID hearing about KNC
2:35:18
capital and getting some laughs
in about the state of affairs
2:35:23
instead of agonizing over yes
that's what we do. The check is
2:35:27
a percentage of my annual bonus
from my employer. Wow, that's
2:35:31
some tithing right there. That's
2:35:32
John C Dvorak: the way to do it.
2:35:33
Adam Curry: i Oh, what are we
drinking? Polar seltzer? Boring
2:35:38
brings up good next show. I
consider your show to be a
2:35:43
ministry and appreciate your
genuine efforts to shepherd the
2:35:47
divine flock God has brought to
your podcast Wow. For giggles I
2:35:51
listened to podcast one to 20
That's episode 120. Adam, I can
2:35:57
hear the evidence of work the
work God has done in you God
2:36:01
bless you both your sister in
Christ Emily Andrews. aihole He
2:36:05
was That's right. It's It's so
true. Notice I don't cuss? I've
2:36:09
stopped that.
2:36:11
Unknown: Yeah, well that's yeah.
2:36:12
Adam Curry: And and in fact,
people have noticed that you've
2:36:15
costing more
2:36:17
John C Dvorak: I because I think
there's a cuss cost balance ACUs
2:36:21
median that we have to achieve
to have the proper cost balance
2:36:26
Adam Curry: you have so there's
so many bright okay, I
2:36:28
John C Dvorak: didn't cuss on
today's show at all. No, you
2:36:30
did. And I usually just cut for
effect you cussed as part of
2:36:34
your vocabulary that was Yeah,
2:36:36
Adam Curry: I did it a lot
actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:36:40
John C Dvorak: Well we have your
I have I
2:36:42
Adam Curry: have people emailing
so thank you now I don't I can
2:36:45
listen around my kids again.
Except for that clip you brought
2:36:51
Thank you Emily. The kids love
their kids
2:36:55
John C Dvorak: understand
cutting jobs. Good luck with
2:36:58
that. Europe No, I'm sorry dude
named Ralph comes up next and
2:37:04
he's in with 550 which is nice
in Miami, Florida. John and Adam
2:37:10
thank you for the outstanding
work you do on no agenda the
2:37:12
magical combination of YouTube
and the incredible new agenda
2:37:15
producers make this show the
best podcast in the universe.
2:37:19
Inspired by something wise John
said I reviewed my donation
2:37:25
history and I happily discovered
that the PhD contribution also
2:37:28
contribute qualify me for title
of Baron I would like to be
2:37:32
known as the Baron dude name by
the way, just to stop right
2:37:36
here. There's a number of people
and there's a list of them on
2:37:39
the no agenda rings.com site
who've gotten there got the PhD
2:37:44
during the promotion is
promotions over and they've
2:37:47
never sent in the details of
where they want the diploma sent
2:37:52
or anything else Oh, please go
and do that. Before the printer
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breaks inspired by blah blah
blah they can be known as barren
2:38:03
dude named after the suburban
South Florida. I would like
2:38:06
Mohit toes and let China Sato
Cuban style roasted pig for the
2:38:12
roundtable. I got it. I made two
Christmas donations today to
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share 550 from a
2:38:18
Adam Curry: work bonus again
again work bonus beautiful work
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bonus,
2:38:22
John C Dvorak: no agenda and
1618 for a show number donation
2:38:26
I humbly request jobs Carmody
Helton knows for a show number
2:38:29
donation and not that magic
circle. I humbly request jobs
2:38:33
comedy helped me as I embark on
the next chapter of my career
2:38:36
respectfully dude named Ralph.
Magic
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Adam Curry: Circle is called the
Golden Ratio. Magic Circle jobs,
2:38:43
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
That's our money
2:38:51
Adam Curry: and we got Lacey be
in Lake Mills Wisconsin. 333 33
2:38:56
favorite donation number Merry
Christmas. Happy New Year to you
2:38:58
John Adam and to your better
halves, the back office, your
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loved ones and all have no
agenda nation and jingle bingo
2:39:05
to the OBD M crossover crowd.
This donation puts me over the
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mark to qualify as a dame the
title Dame Lucy will suffice. I
2:39:13
talk too much in real life. So I
keep this note short. Thank you
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for your courage, love and light
to all Lacey B Lake Mills
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Wisconsin. Thank you. Thank you
very much Lacey B.
2:39:23
John C Dvorak: Alright, so I
have to finally say hit it just
2:39:26
right. I have to take a quick
look at the note listener
2:39:31
Adam Curry: keep talking in the
mic though because you're
2:39:33
dropping out. I
2:39:35
John C Dvorak: am got CIM a
turbo turbo turbo Tim. Three,
2:39:42
three 3.33 And I don't have a
location for him. But I do have
2:39:46
a note which has been which is
which has been m turbo
2:39:53
handwritten note that on a piece
of Bri hole punch student paper
2:39:59
in Morning John and Adam. I
finally gotten my rear in gear
2:40:03
on and here I sent you to some
much deserved treasure please de
2:40:09
douche me.
2:40:11
Unknown: You've been de deuced I
just
2:40:14
John C Dvorak: realized that
episode 1617 adds up to 33. And
2:40:19
I'll be 33 on the 22nd of this
month. I knew it was time. Nice.
2:40:26
So that's interesting. We could
have cut that to 1617. Yeah,
2:40:29
another way when it made a
difference. Mike, the wood watch
2:40:33
guy introduced me to your show
about three years ago, I worked
2:40:37
for a forklift repair company in
Detroit for over eight years as
2:40:41
a mobile forklift and diesel
engine repair technician. It's a
2:40:45
good job. Yes, they kept getting
on my ass about my mask. So I
2:40:51
wrote in big letters. You're a
slave across the front and wore
2:40:55
it proudly to every customer
location as I went from, from
2:41:02
spark conversations, and wow
went to spark conversations and
2:41:06
spew truth for you, man. Yeah,
like that's ballsy. I quit after
2:41:12
refusing to take the jab and
started my own small forklift
2:41:17
and diesel truck repair business
then moved to Capek, Michigan
2:41:21
Hey
2:41:21
Adam Curry: pack a pack
2:41:24
John C Dvorak: the plan to so
electric the plan to go Electric
2:41:28
is hilarious because our world
literally functions because of
2:41:32
diesel. The EPA has had had an
American hold on has has a has a
2:41:38
hard on Oh harder for a diesel
but not in other countries.
2:41:44
Anyone who hears DPF def and
engine D rate will be triggered
2:41:49
by this totally crap they make
you put in the course. Yeah,
2:41:53
pigs urine. Yeah, pig urine.
Just yeah. Unbelievable. This is
2:41:59
my first start to knighthood.
And if I have any questions
2:42:01
about the diesel industry feel,
feel free to email me that's
2:42:04
nice. I bet you're doing very
well. In your little own your
2:42:08
own company. John is pronounced
K Pak. As Adam just told me,
2:42:13
please send it send the
sparkplug Oh, he sent Oh, he
2:42:19
sent to spark plug keychains Oh,
and he sent these little
2:42:25
trinkets. I have to say they're
pretty cute. But I didn't. I
2:42:29
didn't get mine. Because I have
it I have yours that people send
2:42:33
them to me and he they have to
wait till they accumulate and
2:42:35
they'll send you a box. And so
the whole package smelled like
2:42:41
every pair garage. And I snapped
I saved Chase if this guy if
2:42:48
this guy is a repairman. No
doubt about it.
2:42:51
Adam Curry: Let me give you a
little tip. If Jhansi Dvorak
2:42:54
ever comes up to you and says,
Hey, sniff this walk away. Walk
2:42:59
away. But you'd like that. Yes.
Well, that's cool, man. Thank
2:43:05
you so much. And I also want to
thank everyone who sent all
2:43:07
these beautiful things to the
PIO box. I got fudge I got the
2:43:12
coffee. I got the coffee from
those guys. Gigawatt gigawatt
2:43:17
guys
2:43:18
John C Dvorak: yeah the fudge
the Okay, the fudge came in who
2:43:21
I know of I don't have the note
here on the fudge. I got the
2:43:23
fudge fudge came in kind of as a
mess but I have to say this if
2:43:29
you can dig through there and
find the peanut butter divinity
2:43:35
Oh, okay. It border light border
this border line. Unbelievable.
2:43:41
Yeah, I believe Yeah, like makes
a Reese's peanut butter you
2:43:44
wouldn't ever have another one
Yeah, Google they Nailed it.
2:43:49
Nailed it. The rest of the stuff
is good but these the peanut
2:43:52
whoever that I like to get that
recipe
2:43:55
Adam Curry: I got sir scoops I
got your big box of of your your
2:43:58
pirate to your pirate show. I
got
2:44:04
John C Dvorak: stuff from
diesel.
2:44:06
Adam Curry: No, I didn't get it
from DS. I did get some death.
2:44:09
Death demand. No, no. Oh, yes.
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's
2:44:13
right. Yeah, and start and
stickers and magnets and all
2:44:18
kinds of stuff. And I also got,
I got a huge pack from the
2:44:23
anonymous air traffic
controller. Oh, goodness. Oh,
2:44:27
goodness. I don't think he
should have sent me that stuff.
2:44:30
He's got stuff about see 130
shooting lasers down to the
2:44:35
ground. There really? Yeah. At
the FAA. You know, send out
2:44:39
memos like hey, you know if you
guys have every right to tell
2:44:43
the C 130 with a laser to not
shoot the laser. Alright.
2:44:47
Thanks. I got a pastor who says
thank you for not cussing, and
2:44:53
got Lindsey who says it's been a
joy to listen to the podcast
2:44:57
with my 11 year old now. It's
not as explicit as it used to Be
2:45:01
Thanks, John for that clip set
for the dog. But yeah. Well,
2:45:06
that's funny. That's funny. Just
so many things. Thank you all so
2:45:10
much. It was it was amazing to
go to the PIO box. I couldn't
2:45:14
believe all the stuff that that
everybody is sent to. So nice.
2:45:17
And also thank you to Ryan
Powell from Edward Washington.
2:45:20
333. By the way,
2:45:22
John C Dvorak: when one more
thing I wonder, do we ever think
2:45:25
the guy who sent us the flight,
the Air Force One jackets? Yeah,
2:45:31
yeah. Oh, we did. Oh, sure. We
just logged in as a dynamite
2:45:34
jacket. By the
2:45:35
Adam Curry: way his son got that
his son, son got those for us.
2:45:38
Yeah. Ryan Powell 333 says for
my wife's 50th birthday on the
2:45:43
18th so it's a switcheroo. I'm
still a douchebag but Christmas
2:45:46
is coming soon. Thanks, guys. So
he doesn't want to be do she
2:45:50
just wants it for his wife and
he doesn't give us her name. So
2:45:55
we'll just say Mrs. Powell.
2:45:57
John C Dvorak: Mrs. Powell. Mrs.
Powell. says what we'll do Eric
2:46:01
go wielka in Auburn, Alabama. I
ATM the citizen Adam and
2:46:07
citizens. John. I just had a pop
up hold on a second pop up.
2:46:14
Yeah. Pop Up. Outstanding show
he continues. Hope you have a
2:46:21
Merry Christmas and a Happy New
Year. So sure. Eric. That's a
2:46:24
great no for $333 How
2:46:26
Adam Curry: can you I haven't
had a pop up since 1988. It's a
2:46:29
system pop up. Oh, time to
reboot for more freedom on your
2:46:34
computer. Sir Nick, in
Waterford, Michigan 333 33. I'm
2:46:41
just trying to keep my delta
medallion. So I'm charging this
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Amex. Please give the single and
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Well, we don't actually have a
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Sir Shawn McCune 170 39 And he
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move to the Free State of New
Hampshire away from New York
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with a newborn. Much appreciated
Gen Z Yes. We'll do that in a
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moment. Sir broth. Kevin
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John C Dvorak: McLaughlin
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in Mission BC mission BC Canada
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Unknown: You've been de deuced
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John C Dvorak: that one for her
and then we go to Eduardo Bishop
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also in Mission BC $75. Another
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Chicago, our buddy in Chicago
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McLaughlin 606 with a little
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call this. Boobs the eighth
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that? Okay, okay. Depends on the
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in Medford, New York. John you
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seem to be a net he writes. We
don't read these notes normally.
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John, you seem to be an expert
on native ads. I find it
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interesting that every time you
open a can of polar all wore a
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natural seltzer you talk about
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Coincidence? I think not. You
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Adam Curry: taking deals on the
side man.
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Unknown: I wish right?
2:54:26
John C Dvorak: You have cases of
this stuff gadget freaks 10 and
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Western Springs, Illinois 50.
These are all 50s Now we're
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gonna do 50s name and location,
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Fletcher Scaife, fat escapee in
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Williston, North Dakota, Andrew
gusik. Sir Andrew B. exact in
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Greensboro, North Carolina, Matt
Illingworth in Montclair, New
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Jersey. Susan hunt in Leola
Pennsylvania needs a D douching.
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On her dad, Mark Anderson
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Unknown: D deuced.
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John C Dvorak: for it as for
her, we can say, Nicolas, root
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of itch in Harpers Ferry, West
Virginia. Daniel, sir Daniel
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laboy in Bath, Michigan and last
on our list. Our favorite sir
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I nearly choked on my mac and
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cheese recently when I
discovered that you clowns would
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honor a knighthood status if I
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John C Dvorak: sure you got a
good one bye minor all off beat.
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Adam Curry: Okay, which one do
we start with?
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John C Dvorak: Start with
decide.
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Hmm. Okay,
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say the least. Let's go to
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Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, to
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save you.
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Adam Curry: That's pretty good.
And I wouldn't say that normally
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Adam Curry: Come on. Come on.
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over, don't you think?
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John C Dvorak: I think is such a
bad example. And is funny. Come
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Adam Curry: on. It's funny. It's
fantastic.
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Unknown: All right, now it's
time for
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GDC
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Adam Curry: good news,
everybody, John. Well, let's to
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be more specific. Mimi has
scoured the internet finding
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some news.
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John C Dvorak: I have to get. I
have to sort through them. And
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so I picked this one. This is a
woman who this is just one of
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those heart. This is a good news
story about a woman who got
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graduated and she and she
graduated with her baby with
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her. And this was cute.
3:05:54
Unknown: And it was another
special graduation day at Ferris
3:05:57
State University over the
weekend. A woman graduated
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walking across the stage with
her newborn baby nestled into
3:06:03
her now, Grace Szymczak was
supposed to have a C section
3:06:06
today. Actually, it said baby
girl Annabelle came 10 days
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early. Grace said she had been
working hard at her degree in
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early childhood education. She
wasn't letting anything stop her
3:06:17
from walking on graduation day.
That just meant she had
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Annabelle strapped into her baby
carrier with her the whole time.
3:06:24
And
3:06:24
I kind of hope it inspires
another mom to like go back to
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school and like show that she
can do it too. I hope to see her
3:06:31
walk across the stage one day to
whichever college or university
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she chooses. without me having
to carry her and
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she says baby Annabelle actually
did very well and did not fuss
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the entire ceremony. Now Grace
will be teaching full time with
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preschoolers at a strong
Beginnings program in Traverse
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City. I
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really give her a lot of credit.
You're
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you talk to her. I
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mean, she's pretty incredible.
3:06:55
I honestly I'm just shocked that
the newborn baby was calm that
3:06:59
entire ceremony because those
can be really long ceremonies.
3:07:02
That's very impressive. But what
a great memory for him really?
3:07:05
Oh,
3:07:05
Adam Curry: a great memory. And
it's so politically incorrect
3:07:10
because you know, it's a
birthing person, not a mom. So I
3:07:14
like that about the clip. I
thought that was excellent. And
3:07:18
you know, Jay was just that was
a wholesome clip. Very good. It
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made me find that one. Did you
find that one?
3:07:22
John C Dvorak: She found that
one but there was something in
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there that to me was
disconcerting that may or may or
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disconcerting. disconcert it may
or may not be noticeable. But
3:07:34
how she has the baby 10 days
before she's scheduled to have a
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C section. I
3:07:41
Adam Curry: know that's weird,
isn't it?
3:07:43
John C Dvorak: Say guy yeah,
you're gonna have weed looks
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like this be your due date.
We're gonna give you a C
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section. This is today's modern
hospital environment. They just
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see sex. Money
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Adam Curry: extra naughty women
money. Money is more money.
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Yeah, you
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John C Dvorak: get a man you get
him out. It costs more perfect.
3:08:01
Adam Curry: Another good news
story.
3:08:04
Unknown: A good news story from
JCD happy vibes for you and me.
3:08:11
And we all feel better. Now he's
done his bit. To back to
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reality. That's turning to shit.
Good
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Adam Curry: news. Every single
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feet are wrapped in good news.
And we love it that way. And
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that concludes our
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makes us not want to find an
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we're always looking at some
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John C Dvorak: No, he's talented
guy.
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Adam Curry: That's what I mean.
No AI can can rack it up against
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our talented people. And that's
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eights. In the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry.
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John C Dvorak: And I'm from
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I'm John C. Dvorak. We return
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after Darren O'Neal's rock and
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3:11:39
found him with politicians for
his ready to begin flew all love
3:11:47
the deep state assets. Were
afraid if he's already noticed
3:11:53
they didn't want their sex
crimes posted to the internet.
3:12:00
So one moggy New York night, the
Glen den cartel K glitched in
3:12:08
the guards naps while Jeffrey
Epstein's neck was then all the
3:12:14
media coverage. sad it was a
mystery. You're not allowed to
3:12:22
protest and we're blaming China
Merry Christmas to filthy animal
3:12:33
Oh global citizens visit Santa
Klaus I am checking my list to
3:12:39
see who is being naughty or
nice. According to ESG first
3:12:45
punishment will be for the
climate change deniers if you
3:12:49
are not eat Do not worry. We
will not put a lump of coal in
3:12:53
your stocking coal is made of
carbon and carbon is bought in
3:12:57
by ESG. So we will just take
your stocking wounds or other
3:13:01
gifts you will get nothing or be
happy. Another tradition is a
3:13:07
leaving of cookies on the middle
class and these cookies must be
3:13:11
100% Vegan owns a milk must be
soy milk under ESG will be no
3:13:18
more cow milk wound of course no
more meat. You may also leave
3:13:23
for Santa's cookies made basic
like get flour with a glass of
3:13:27
cockroach milk but even I will
not eat this. You will eat this
3:13:33
maybe not this year, maybe not
next year, but we still have
3:13:37
plenty of time to implement
agenda 2030 So now is the
3:13:42
opportunity for giving hugs
exchanging gifts and eating that
3:13:47
makes them most sustainable
freedom Visalia still got it V.
3:13:53
World Economic Forum Wish You a
Merry Christmas and a Happy New
3:13:58
vote. So long. Oh, Fida saying
good luck.
3:14:12
vorak.org/in A
3:14:16
Merry Christmas, you filthy
perverts.