December 24th, 2023 • 3h 30m
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John C Dvorak: You take him off
the ballot to protect a
democracy. Adam curry,
Adam Curry: John C. Devora.
December 24 2023. In this short
horn winning nation media
assassination episode 1690. This
is no agenda, making a list
checking it twice. broadcasting
live from the heart of a Texas
Hill Country here in FEMA Region
number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley, where I've
concluded that broadcasting live
sports events over streaming
services doesn't work. I'm John
C. Dvorak. Greg bobbin Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: That fast action
bringing you down, getting that
ghosting, getting that trailing
getting that not so good
picture.
John C Dvorak: No, I said, what
happens?
Adam Curry: Oh, what's the
problem? Then?
John C Dvorak: It's just
crashes.
Adam Curry: It crashes? What are
you watching? Is it YouTube?
John C Dvorak: Let's just
quickly Okay, the the NFL, which
is a corrupt organization, the
way I see it, they just take
whatever, whoever throws money.
I am looking at Taylor Swift.
Yes. Whoever throws money at
him. And so the Amazon decided
to stream live football on
Thursday nights. Okay. And
nobody likes these Thursday
night games anyway, so I'll let
Amazon do it. So there's live
stream, it doesn't work. It
doesn't load. It's an Oh, go to
Amazon help. You can't get your
video, and then it loads all of
a sudden, you'll get a bit of
it, and then it's crashes with a
message. Something happened.
Okay. So you have to go back and
reload.
Adam Curry: It doesn't say
something went wrong. Yes,
something went wrong. That's my
favorite message. Yes. Some
John C Dvorak: you've seen that?
Adam Curry: Not during sports
ball. But yes, I've seen this.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: well, Amazon is
overwhelmed. Their Prime Video
is out of control. And yes, you
see that message. I tried to
watch your reach here. I had
similar problems. But when you
try to watch the Thursday night
football game, except I suppose
in some areas, it's almost
impossible because it's all
going through one small pipe.
Normally a football game is
distributed all around the
country through local stations
over the air and even on local
cable is easy. It gets
distributed, it's fine. It's not
one thin pipe, you know, where
everybody has to go to this pipe
to get their stuff. This is a
stupid idea. And they're going
to promote it even more, because
I guess they just did a game
recently, where they streamed a
football game on the peacock
network. I don't even know how
to get that. And nobody watched
it. This is unbelievable. This
is unacceptable. Jhansi de
Bourgh X
Unknown: diva today wow,
Adam Curry: this twice in a
month. Start off with a
complaint let's go and well, you
know, it's clear we need to do
we need to buy up a whole bunch
of those local OTA stations and
then and start broadcasting live
sports. I mean, we'll have of
course we'll have to be
badminton with what we can
afford but it'll be a start. We
John C Dvorak: can we can do if
we can do it with a fund
Adam Curry: everybody you know
everybody has a TV that will do
everyone's TV does that you just
got to get your $12 antenna
Don't you think is genius idea
John C Dvorak: and people are
flocking to over here? Yes, I
Adam Curry: think we have an
exit strategy. Wow.
John C Dvorak: Do you have an
over the error connection? Yes,
of course. You know I have that.
Where is where are your channels
coming from?
Adam Curry: Oh ma'am. All over.
San Antonio. Austin. Burnie see
there's another one. Those are
the big ones. Oh, I have over
100 stations.
John C Dvorak: Beautiful over
the air OTA OTA, OTA, going OTA
I'm an OTA Oh,
Adam Curry: everybody standby.
Again, it's that time of year.
That's right. It's Christmas.
One is Christmas time. What do
we do? We scare people this
Unknown: morning with three days
before Christmas law enforcement
on alert reporting the most
challenging threat environment
since 911. Tied to the ongoing
war between Israel and Hamas.
Oh no Tober sevens. The FBI has
received more than 1800 reports
of threats or other types of
tips or leads that are somehow
related to or have a nexus to
the current conflict in Israel.
Oh god.
Oh, no FBI now has 100 active
full scale investigations tied
to that middle east car. Stop.
John C Dvorak: Who is that woman
she has that? Bradley Lisa
Monaco Susan Rice to Lisa
Monaco.
Adam Curry: You nailed it. That
was Lisa Monaco and get this Now
what
John C Dvorak: else on Foreign
Relations creep?
Adam Curry: Yeah. And what is
she wearing?
John C Dvorak: A funny sweater.
Adam Curry: No, a red, a red
blazer? Because you know she's
important. Go go go and go out
on the street. The point to me
how many women are walking
around with a red blazer on? I
have never seen one. You only
see it in Congress and with
douche bags and of course, Santa
Claus, Mrs. Claus, which may may
be a subliminal message, but the
women who wear these red
jackets, sometimes it's yellow.
They
John C Dvorak: the right No,
it's mostly red. It's
Adam Curry: a power play. It's a
power play, and she's sitting
there with Pierre. Well, Pierre,
we got some threat vectors
threat environments, it's very
dangerous. 1800 tips and
Unknown: officials also
reporting a spike in threats to
public officials, agents and
police now investigating violent
threats against the Colorado
Supreme Court after its ruling
disqualifying former President
Trump from running for office.
citing his alleged role in the
January 6 insurrection. Trump is
expected to appeal that ruling
to the US Supreme Court as soon
as next week. The Deputy
Attorney General telling me in
an ABC News exclusive. That's
the public officials are at a
level they've never seen before.
Oh,
is an unprecedented public
officials across the board. Oh,
Pierre, we've had cases
involving threats to kill FBI
agents, a Supreme Court justice
and three presidential
candidates and a couple
podcasts.
To be clear Monaco and other top
law enforcement officials,
including the FBI director are
saying there's no reason to
panic. Oh, all of the
foreseeable future and through
the holiday.
Adam Curry: But don't panic. No.
ABC New York took this and went
to the streets, their very own
streets because not only do we
have Christmas, we also have New
Year's, and we have Trump to be
honest about it. We got all
kinds of stuff there. Now let's
just listen to how the local
newscaster starts it off by
saying there's no evidence of
anything going on but
Unknown: we have covered the
holiday weather forecast the
holiday travel situation now the
more troubling angle and yes,
there is no confirmed terrorist
threat in our area for either
the Christmas holiday or in New
York City. But intelligence
agencies and security experts
believe that with the war and
chaos in the Middle East we are
in a kind of danger zone we
can't New York Minute ignore
you'll find an increased police
presence in Times Square this
year. Both officers you'll see
and once you don't even know
where the Wait
John C Dvorak: Wait Stop, stop
stop. Is this different than any
other New Year's Eve ever
increase police presence?
Adam Curry: Oh, of course it's
not different. This
John C Dvorak: exactly the same
as it's always been an increased
police presence during New
Years.
Adam Curry: I will say in 1987
New Years 1987 When I had just
freshly arrived at MTV, my first
gig, not just something for
Halloween for them. But then my
first gig was I was live from
Times Square. Back when Times
Square was not made of rubber.
Back when you had this little
island between Broadway and
Seventh Avenue you could get
killed on those streets. Yes, it
John C Dvorak: was a good time.
Adam Curry: It was a good time.
Then I had police presence
around me. It was definitely
more dangerous than just the
sheer nature of Time Square. You
could try and die. But now Times
John C Dvorak: Square was bad a
real threat security
Unknown: experts say police are
facing the most challenging
threat environment since before
911 You're receiving more tips
Adam Curry: what happened to
January 7 Come on people you're
literally you're messing up your
messaging here working behind
the scenes to that depth
Unknown: social media tips for
people following all these leads
oh
Adam Curry: yeah social media or
someone posted on x is some
could go on we found that all
these leads then they cut to war
footage.
Unknown: These leads
at the increased threat started
on October 7 machine
John C Dvorak: gun at Times
Square.
Adam Curry: Yeah, there's all
sudden there's sand in Times
Square and machine guns. The
ongoing war between Israel and
Hamas
Unknown: with the pro
Palestinian watches right now is
sapping a lot of the strength of
this please
Adam Curry: hold on a second. It
seems the real threat here is
the pro Palestinian marches. So
Unknown: that's that's the cause
of concern
Adam Curry: nationwide. The
Unknown: FBI has investigated
more than 1800 Tips since then.
And has more than 100 Open
investigations that are in some
way tied to the conflict.
We've had cases involving
threats to kill FBI agents, a
Supreme Court justice and three
presidential candidate five
Adam Curry: gold
Unknown: is something that
Director of the FBI testified
about in front of Congress
earlier this month.
Adam Curry: I've never seen a
time where the threats are so
many
John C Dvorak: elevators more
money all at exactly the same
time.
Unknown: The biggest concern a
lone wolf some small groups
is time to really be concerned
about this. We will panic of
course. But nonetheless, we're
in rare times. You look at the
hate crime numbers that are up
in crime. These have
extraordinary levels that we
haven't seen.
But the country's largest city
is used to threats. And police
say they're more than prepared
to host the country's largest
New Year's Eve celebration.
This is going to be the safest
play.
Adam Curry: Now listen, this and
all of that. We've got machine
guns, we've got no threats to
the can and kill everybody and
then but this will be the safest
New Year's Eve ever. Everybody's
Unknown: largest New Year's Eve
celebration are safe.
This is going to be the safest
place in the country and not the
world. A New York City Police
Department has the greatest
resources, the greatest
intelligence and the greatest
town
Adam Curry: we smell good to go
where with all
Unknown: to know how to deal
with the situation with this
in just the past two months,
there have been 450 Local
demonstrations directly
connected to the Israel Hamas
war. And police are preparing
for the possibility that one of
those demonstrations could take
place in this area on New Year's
Eve.
Adam Curry: So that was just
ABC. But CBS Face the Nation. I
mean, they deserve and what kind
of award can we get for bull
crap scaring the public? Maybe
that's the award we should be
giving out every single year.
Scary
John C Dvorak: to the end
additional reason you can can't
do multiple awards. We're in the
position to do that. I don't
know what your reluctance is. I
can't can't figure it out a
plan. You
Adam Curry: did it but you need
to plan you know,
John C Dvorak: that means
meetings forgetting.
Adam Curry: Margaret Brennan
brought in all of her favorites.
I mean, I have to give it to
them. They were working at well,
of course they recorded this
yesterday, or maybe even Friday.
They're not sitting there live
in the studio on Sunday night on
a Sunday. Thanks so not on
Christmas Eve. So they brought
in the poop guy by surprise.
John C Dvorak: Margaret was
working. This must have been
really recorded a while ago.
They
Adam Curry: got him to gaze and
pixie girl CIA stooge harridge.
Everybody was in on this,
because we need to scare
everybody about all kinds of
stuff. Including including
including, oh,
Unknown: it's tradition here at
CBS News to scare the
Adam Curry: crap out of you on
Christmas Eve other
Unknown: our Washington
reporters and look forward to
the year ahead. Oh, yes,
Catherine. And, Jeff, I know you
talk to a lot of law enforcement
sources as well. What's the
degree of concern about what
happens how as this plays out in
the coming?
Adam Curry: What's What's your
degree of concern, John, but
what what is your degree of
concern? A
John C Dvorak: to
Unknown: already law enforcement
across the country is dealing
with an uptick in domestic
Adam Curry: an uptick in
domestic terrorism? Where has
there been domestic errors?
Where's
Unknown: this?
Adam Curry: Where's the off?
Where's the tick
Unknown: dealing with an uptick
in domestic terrorism cases?
Because there is this concern
about how will the public react
if there is a conviction in any
of these cases and already, the
number of domestic terrorism
cases that they've been
investigating the FBI
specifically, compared to the
number of international
terrorism organizations and
those kinds of cases? They're
about running even?
Adam Curry: Hold on a second.
There's no evidence of this.
There's not been any stories
about what's the most recent
domestic terrorism case we've
heard of? was
John C Dvorak: a school shooting
somewhere. A month ago, maybe? I
mean, I it doesn't seem to I
don't know. You're you're asking
me.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. What am I
well
Unknown: enforcement is is also
very focused on preventing any
kind of domestic terrorism.
We're
in this dynamic threat
environment right now.
Adam Curry: Or dynamic threat
environment right
John C Dvorak: now. Law
enforcement is interested in
maybe stopping with more more
than nothing else, or more than
anything else. It's stopping
speeding
Adam Curry: every Christmas
domestic threat environment and
Merry Christmas, everybody.
We're looking forward to your
domestic terrorism is
John C Dvorak: not wasn't that
local law enforcement is doing
around here, man trying to clean
up the homeless encampments.
Adam Curry: I need. I need to I
need to help these people out a
little bit. They have this this
has
John C Dvorak: some machine gun
fire. What are you going to do?
Unknown: Catherine, you have
this extraordinary job of
covering the President's I'm
sorry, I want to fast credit.
The focus squarely is on loan
actors or loan offenders,
individuals, offenders who are
inspired by events overseas or
they're inspired to act
radicalized by domestic events
and
John C Dvorak: listen to that
sentence again. There is
inspired to act and radicalized
Yes.
Adam Curry: Stopped I said that
meal when Christina was a baby I
said stop acting radicalized you
stupid child
Unknown: alone a fan nors
individuals who are inspired by
events overseas, or they're
inspired to act radicalized by
domestic events and very
opportunistic what so it talks
about car ramming attacks it
talks about weapons, it talks
about knives and a very short
what law enforcement calls flash
to bang that's in between
wanting to act and then making
the decision to act oh god
Adam Curry: flashbang Wow, this
is a new target write this down
flash What do you think it's
flash to bang ta Bay
John C Dvorak: flash to bang
slash No. Title flash flash?
Flash flash not slash nos flash
flash to both flash to bat was
like a flash bang. It's like
grenades. Yeah, Flash is taking
it and and parsing it, creating
a new term called Flash
Adam Curry: to bang to bang.
Yes, flash.
John C Dvorak: So it's like a
flash bang. It flashes? Yes. And
that
Adam Curry: Ford bangs, and then
it bangs Yes. Flash to bang.
It's like a flash in the pan,
like all of a sudden could just
fire up. Someone gets rattled,
if someone is acting
radicalized.
John C Dvorak: Back to them.
Yeah, that flash in the pan has
other meanings. Catherine,
Unknown: you have this
extraordinary job of covering
the President's own son. And his
legal issues, Hunter Biden with
these indictments, three related
to a firearm felony counts nine
related to tax issues. Where
does this go?
Adam Curry: tax issue? That's
cool. Related to tax issues. He
broke the law 20. Now,
John C Dvorak: if she's going to
answer honestly, where where's
this gonna go? She should say if
she's going to answer honestly,
I don't know if she does or not,
because I don't have never heard
this clip. But I'm guessing
she'll answer honestly and say,
well, it'll lead to a pardon.
Where does
Unknown: this go? 2024 is going
to be a year of incredible legal
exposure for the president son
and these criminal prosecutions
are going to unfold at the same
time. Harden is running for
reelection. In January, he will
be arraigned in California Court
on the tax charges. And I would
pay special attention to the
California case. I had two
lawyers look at the 56 page
indictment. And they reached the
same conclusion that it is a
shot across the bow by the
Special Counsel. He identifies
Hunter Biden as a lawyer and a
lobbyist and then goes into
considerable detail about his
business transactions with
Ukraine, with China, Romania and
others. And did they see this as
Romania
Adam Curry: was the western
Romania
John C Dvorak: stuff? Oh, the
Romania has always been in the
game in the in play. They get
they always talk about his
Ukraine, China, and then they
throw in Romania, even though
they've never given us any
details on this Romania, angle
Romania
Unknown: on Merry Christmas,
Romania, with China, Romania and
others. And they see this as an
indicator is that the Special
Counsel at the very least is
investigating potential
violations of foreign lobbying
laws, maybe even a statement.
Adam Curry: All right now we're
getting down to the nitty gritty
because you know, we have to we
have to get this deal. We got to
get our Christmas message out
there people. So we need to
start looking forward to 2020
Catherine.
Unknown: Well, mine's a little
dark. I just feel a lot of
concern that 2024 may be the
year of a black swan event. This
is a national security event of
high impact. That's very hard to
predict. There are a number of
concerns they have that factor
into that. And not only this
sort of enduring heightened
threat level that enduring,
Adam Curry: enduring heightened
threat level,
John C Dvorak: orange,
Unknown: orange MAN bad not only
this sort of enduring,
heightened threat level that
we're facing the wars in Israel,
also Ukraine. And we're so
divided in this country in ways
that we haven't seen before. And
I think that just creates
fertile ground for adversaries,
North Korea, China, Iran, and
that's what that
Adam Curry: creates fertile
ground, the North Koreans are
going to come in and so they're
seed on our federal ground.
Maybe the Chinese, maybe the
Romanians
Unknown: seen before North Korea
just creates fertile ground for
our adversaries like North
Korea, China and Iran. And
that's what concerns me most, a
lot of people
John C Dvorak: does she get
paid? Like go did she have a fee
schedule? So she gets the extra
500 bucks if she says North
Korea? Well, she
Adam Curry: blew it because she
should have thrown Romania in
for a buck 50
Unknown: At night, would that
concern Catherine, at least in
this town. All
Adam Curry: right. Now let's go
to the longer predictions here.
This is this is going to wrap it
all up this segment here on
Unknown: Face The Nation. We've
covered a lot of tough stories
this year off so we asked.
Adam Curry: It was a hard year
it was so hard for us. But let's
pat each other on the back
because we did a good job,
everybody. It was hard. It was
tough stories, but we did it.
We're CBS Mark
Unknown: Strassman to go back
and recap some of the good news.
Adam Curry: Good news. The good
news do you think this will be
puppies and pancakes and
John C Dvorak: gentlemen they're
stealing our material here I
Adam Curry: don't not entirely
Unknown: ladies first women
headlines all over in 2023
Taylor and her jubaland Swifty
comes together and we're all
dressed up and we all
participate Beyonce
but the beehive was generated
billions for local economies,
mostly from women sharing their
heroes.
Adam Curry: Now this is good
news. Women heroes, women
cheering their heroes. Very
good.
Unknown: I have never been more
confident and proud to be in my
own skin because of her.
Not just a Hollywood hit a
cultural conversation.
Barbie is like such a strong and
empowered woman. She
John C Dvorak: has like 90 jobs
good. She has like 90 jobs.
That's the clip of the year
right there.
Unknown: cultural conversation.
Barbie is like such a strong and
empowered woman. She has like 90
jobs Barbie
Adam Curry: is empowering. Yes,
yes. With the legs that are five
times too long from any hole you
normal woman with the boobs that
are bigger than firmer than any
woman and look at that hair
Barbie.
Unknown: Good news. Speaking of
jobs in 2023, America's rate of
working women between 25 and 54
hit a record high but I'm gonna
work and the overall economy,
inflation's down, recession,
fears fading. And when
John C Dvorak: this actually
went up, but they don't like to
report that bull crap.
Adam Curry: Inflation is coming
down. Recession fears are
fading, nothing to see here.
rack up the credit cards people
for
Unknown: hit a record high and
the overall economy, inflation's
down, recession, fears fading,
and we're seeing inflation
making real progress. These are
the things we've been wanting to
see. Core inflation is down to
4%. Back in January, it was 5.6.
No jump. This
John C Dvorak: is cumulative
people.
Adam Curry: Explain. Please
explain. I'll pause the clip for
this Barbie Shut up your next.
John C Dvorak: Okay, so you have
an inflation rate it goes it
went to eight. So it goes to
eight and then it goes to five.
That doesn't mean inflation is
going down. It means you're
paying the eight plus the five.
And then when it goes from four
to three, it's still going up.
In other words, it's cumulative.
So the inflation if it went, it
went up 8%. And then it goes up
another 4%. It's going up
another 4% and another 3%. It
goes up and up and up. It's not
going it's not reversing it's
not going back to old prices.
Adam Curry: It's going parabolic
man.
John C Dvorak: I mean it is
slowing. There's no doubt about
that. But but it's the rate of
increase that's slowing Yes,
it's still going up
Unknown: T core inflation is
down to 4%. Back in January. It
was 5.6 No justice. No job when
he 23 emboldened workers,
especially union worker remember
this is the good news segment on
strike, nurses, auto workers
Hollywood High they'll pick it
in a path to a happy ending on
pay day. We
were finally realizing wait. We
know our worth. Fans
have come up and are just
telling the truth. also hit the
jackpot. Oh Rudy Giuliani
ordered to pay millions for lies
told about to Georgia election
work news, everybody
Adam Curry: when news news we
got that guy.
Unknown: And George Santos, the
prince
Adam Curry: of make believe we
got that guy good news everybody
drummed
Unknown: out of Congress in
entertainment. Michelle Yeoh
became the first Asian woman to
win the Best Actress Oscar and a
salute to Admiral Lisa Frank
Eddie. She's the first ever
female member of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff in sports. The
Buffalo Bills Damar Hamlin
played again in an NFL game 10
months after he nearly died from
cardiac arrest on the football
field.
Adam Curry: Good news,
everybody. The jab. Didn't get
that one
Unknown: to be able to still do.
What I love at the highest level
in the world is amazing.
And Brittney Griner playing
again in the WNBA. After
languishing for 10 months in
Russian custody.
The love from the fans when it
came out was amazing.
And finally, 2023 was a great
year for 10 Americans released
last week from Venezuelan
custody, and five Americans
released in September by Iran we
got fat in our time for that
letter
Adam Curry: that's all in time
for
John C Dvorak: the holiday never
mentioned that we got fat lender
in that report. Did you notice
no. Hey,
Adam Curry: I got a note about
fat leonard. Yeah, I
John C Dvorak: saw it. So I read
that real quick. Yeah. Go ahead.
Adam Curry: The title of the
last show was a sign I needed to
donate oh he's gonna donate was
a dude named Ben stationed on
the USS Blue Ridge for two
years. My job was to help calm
Seventh Fleet officers learn how
to computer. Captain David Haas
and Commander Michael Mickiewicz
work in the department that
arranged schedules for all ships
in the Seventh Fleet. They
seemed like nice enough guys,
and there wasn't much to tell. I
got out December 2012. And
shortly after this here, fat
leonard story shows up. Turns
out these officers were among
the group that diverted ships to
ports where old Lenny was able
to scam the US government
government by overcharging for
services. If these officers had
shared their money hotel rooms
or hookers with me, maybe I
could have told them that all of
their computer activity was
being watched and showed them
about this thing called
encryption. Oh, those guys hit
the biggest scam in history and
they're idiots to boot. The
idiots. Well,
John C Dvorak: if anyone thinks
they're gonna get away with
anything, and it involves a
computer, yeah, good luck. Good
luck with that. And good luck if
you think you know how to stop
all the record keeping that's
going on in the background. Good
luck. Good luck. You're not
going to do it. Good luck. And
the reason for these giant hard
disks by the way, big giant
double terabyte 10 terabyte you
know 18 terabyte drives that are
150 bucks now is to keep your
shit on. Keep your stuff is to
keep all the keep all the
evidence against you. In a way
you don't. You never clean the
disk. It's all there. So you're,
you're done.
Adam Curry: Did I see that?
There's a two terabyte SD card
coming up.
John C Dvorak: That's wall. two
terabyte I'm sure there's a two
terabyte Isbin two terabyte SD
card.
Adam Curry: Really? Oh, I didn't
know that. I mean, I've seen a
one thing
John C Dvorak: now there's
getting getting to me is these
1814 to 18 terabyte drives for
150 bucks. Yeah. It's
ridiculous. That's great. Yeah,
and it's great that way you
don't you never clicked with it.
When I was a kid. There we go.
We had like a drive was a big
deal was it was like 10
megabytes. So your net wasn't
good for anything because you
had to keep cleaning the debt
you had to you had to spend at
least one month out of the year
clearing out everything and
erasing it because you couldn't
keep it anywhere backing
yesterday who something and so
you so everything was you were
kept yourself in your order. But
now Now, no, no while we're on
was what's on your desk while
we're at it.
Unknown: Don't see the vorak
Bakelite chi today's Teddy K.
He's an OTG
Adam Curry: kind of got ya Bambi
OTT kind of guy. But before we
go into that, you're really
you're gonna you're gonna you're
gonna, I
John C Dvorak: want to push that
off. You can play it again. But
I think I was very misled by the
opening of today's show. Because
you said at the opening. Yeah,
you have a Christmas like a
classic every year Christmas
report, which isn't true. It
wasn't true. I didn't I have the
reports.
Adam Curry: I didn't say that. I
said, making a list of what it
was what I heard and checking it
John C Dvorak: twice. That's
what I heard. Well,
Adam Curry: you heard so you're
going to interrupt my OTG
segment, which I'm looking at
the rundown says right here. It
says 27 minutes into the show
start the OTG segment you have
it you got your call sheet. But
now you're going to intro which
John C Dvorak: I thought was be
Bullock. Well,
Adam Curry: I'll do it and be
blocked then you're okay. You're
you're calling an audible.
John C Dvorak: I am because I
think that would was the
classic.
Adam Curry: Is that is that a
sports ball term? There we go.
Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it.
Oh,
John C Dvorak: it's this is the
NBC. This is what this is the
report that everyone has on
Christmas. This is the NBC News.
NORAD, following santha report,
brother.
Adam Curry: Where is it? I can't
say it's under NBC. No, it's not
under MDC because I'm looking at
your clips right now. Oh, there
it is. Yes, I gotcha. Finally
Unknown: tonight, Santa Claus is
putting the final touches on his
flight plan for Sunday night.
And once again, he'll be
counting and members of the US
and Canadian militaries to make
sure he has a clear path as he
departs the North Pole to the
Adam Curry: Canadians even
celebrate Christmas.
John C Dvorak: The removal is
more before Trudeau before
Trudeau America's
Unknown: front door and garden.
This sprawling expanse from
adversaries is the job of the
North American Aerospace Defense
Command or NORAD put not every
object on your ads radar is an
intruder, especially when Santa
takes flight on Christmas Eve, I
spoke to Lieutenant General
Blaise Frawley to learn more
about the critical mission of
tracking center blades I know
your main job is to protect the
North American Aerospace against
intruding aircraft or bad guys.
Adam Curry: Yeah, they want to
fly into like buildings in New
York. But how good was that? How
do
Unknown: you use that technology
to track center or
main job at NORAD is to defend
North America with the
binational command US and Canada
collectively, balloons we use
our systems to track we use our
North warning system as well we
use worldwide to global
satellites and finally our
fighter aircraft.
NORAD Santa tracking mission
began in 1955 When a child
trying to reach sat up instead
called an unlisted number for
the military's Continental Air
Defense Command. The commander
on duty realizing what had
happened, assured the child they
would guarantee Santa a safe
journey this
Adam Curry: sounds like a bunch
of bull crap. Is this the
genesis of this thing?
John C Dvorak: I've never heard
the Genesis story before I've
Adam Curry: never heard this I
thought it was ham radio guys
who track Santa and then I like
John C Dvorak: to know if these
guys are so such hot shots. How
did they miss that air balloon
that came floating over until it
got to Montana
Adam Curry: Military Industrial
Complex weaponizing Santa, a
Unknown: promise NORAD has kept
every year
throughout the years many
different fighter aircraft have
intercepted Santa and will
normally give him a wing waggle
is repealed
Adam Curry: if intercepted Santa
what?
John C Dvorak: Wow. didn't shoot
him down.
Unknown: Throughout the years,
many different fighter aircraft
have intercepted Santa and will
normally give him a wing waggle
as we peel off after we've
intercepted him.
Thanks to that technology,
technology, kids are able to
call in to your ad send a
tracking hotline or log on via
social media for real time
updates. Making sure Sandy is
indeed on his way. Everybody in
your house?
Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Of
course. I didn't see this. Where
are they taking calls from from
kids at NORAD? Is that what I
was hearing?
John C Dvorak: But there's
somebody's taking calls. Man.
And they have they have a
website? Everything is pretty
interesting is advanced somewhat
since the 50s.
Adam Curry: Yeah, because they
they need to recruit children
now when they're six. Because
they no one wants to work for
these jokes anymore.
John C Dvorak: Well, I guess
that's the report I was
expecting from you.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you're right.
I fell down on the job, man.
John C Dvorak: Now I want to go
to the OTG. Which, by the way,
use the second half a show
anyway. But I just I don't know.
I think you're getting a guilty
conscience of reasons you're
bringing this OTG up. Because
you know that I, as of January 1
will have been with actually, to
be honest about it since the
next Christmas. I will have been
without a cell phone in my
pocket, or anyplace else for
that matter. I have not looked
at one for an entire year.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you're
amazing.
John C Dvorak: I am amazing. I
have not used and you know what?
It didn't make a damn bit of
difference in my life. Well,
Adam Curry: no, that's right.
You're just as lonely. No one
visits you don't know anybody
besides that, besides your
winning
John C Dvorak: low Digi Ganic.
Adam Curry: I need to bring this
up because of that previous that
previous note to two people
notified me this morning. That
Prince Eric prince, the guy from
GE Academy formula, Blackwater.
You know, he's rebranded three
times to Blackwater guy. The
Blackwater Yeah,
John C Dvorak: we know him. He's
Adam Curry: coming out with a
phone. And he's out there
shilling the phone? What a great
John C Dvorak: idea for him. The
exit strategy for a guy like
that. Well,
Adam Curry: this is why I wanted
to look at it. It's the
unplugged phone@unplugged.com
Boy that must have paid a lot
for that domain name. That's a
good one. unplugged.com Yeah,
they
John C Dvorak: pay for that
Adam Curry: someone say a lot.
And
John C Dvorak: but I it's a
million dollars. But
Adam Curry: you know, it's like
they've got this source an
Android derivative, but I need
the dude's name Ben to to weigh
in on this thing because of
course I haven't. I haven't seen
they using the Liberty OS
Liberte. Liberte lips, Laurie
liber toss is lib tard OS.
Which, you know, it may be a
graphene OS type deal, I don't
know but then they're they're
all So selling you and this is
where it gets real sketchy for
me. Well,
John C Dvorak: I'm good before
we continue with what you think
is sketchy, I think, because of
his background in intelligence.
I'm very skeptical, of course,
Adam Curry: especially when he's
selling you the up messenger. So
you use their special messenger
app. I don't know what's wrong
with signal signal seems fine to
me. And they're selling you a
VPN. Well, that's a big a big
red red flag right there. Yeah,
let's use Erik Prince's VPN.
What could go wrong with that?
Yeah. So I want the dudes named
Ben to let me know what they
think of this.
John C Dvorak: But myself,
because I am going to start
using your phone again next
year. Why at least?
Adam Curry: Well, if you're
lonely, you're lonely. I know
it.
John C Dvorak: I need to call
those girls on the 800 line.
When there's a dated reference,
Adam Curry: it's 900 900. Line.
Unknown: Line. I don't know.
Well,
Adam Curry: hold on. I have a
clip for you
Unknown: get a recent Surgeon
General advisory found that
lacking social connection can
actually increase your risk of
death by 60%. paid attention
now. Yeah. All right. Racist the
chances of dementia stroke and
heart disease and it can be the
equivalent of smoking 15
cigarettes a day.
John C Dvorak: So Oreos are bad
is cocaine. You
Unknown: don't have a call this
one of the defining issues of
our time. And usually when a
Surgeon General declares
something an epidemic, we're
talking about
Adam Curry: you, John, you
John C Dvorak: that fruity
Surgeon General, we're dealing
with? Yes.
Adam Curry: Hey, who you call
him? Fruity Adamic.
Unknown: We're talking about
AIDS, for example, or cigarettes
like AIDS. That is how severe
you believe this is for people.
Adam Curry: And what could they
be talking about?
John C Dvorak: This is this is
you giving me grief, and
listening to this. This is all
part of a giant scheme to make
sure everyone's hooked onto one
of these stupid phones. So they
had so they have field dependent
constantly. This is creating a
giant world of dependent people
that they can control with the
One World Government Jhansi
Adam Curry: Dvorak on fire
today.
John C Dvorak: I had a double, I
had to double, double,
especially when I go to this
espresso machine. And I look at
and I say, Well, do I want to be
just regular on the show and you
have a good time. Now today I'm
going for the double head
because I know it always brings
the best out in me. Well, I
Unknown: think one of the things
that's really important to
recognize is we didn't get here
overnight. COVID certainly
contributed to this loneliness
crisis. But it was a problem
long before as a result of
lesser participation in the
commuter organizations that used
to bring us together rec
leagues, churches, synagogues,
etc. But also the impact of
technology and social media has
not always been positive, it's
often diluted, the quality of
people's relationships, taking
them from in person interactions
to online interactions. This is
about quality of friendships,
quality of interactions, not
quantity. I know the age of
social media has convinced us
that we need 1000s of followers
and 1000s of friends. We do not
it's we just need a few people
in our life, who see us for who
we are with whom we can be
ourselves and who can show up
for us in a crisis and hopefully
we can do the same for them.
Such an important message around
the holidays.
Adam Curry: You know, we'll go
fry this is this is why I always
say connection is protection the
no agenda meetups.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well,
that's a good early plug for the
meetups. This show this show is
Adam Curry: the antidote to
this. HIV can't cigarette cancer
they were talking about called
loneliness.
John C Dvorak: But I think we
call it the loneliness trend.
Yeah. Oh, no news.
Adam Curry: There's something
there six months up. It's an
obvious sign up.
John C Dvorak: But what's what's
the app designed to do? I mean,
what's the purpose of the op?
Make people depressed? I
Adam Curry: mean, you feel like
crap. Yep. that would that would
be one. That'd be one. Yeah, I
mean, there's a lot of ops
playing out right now. In fact,
John C Dvorak: there's too many
and they're some of them are
bumping into each other.
Adam Curry: The Taylor Swift up
was ratchet. This was getting on
John C Dvorak: my nerves. Not
you brought that clip up. We've
Unknown: talked a lot about how
the Taylor Swift effect has
changed in the NFL. So if you
were to look at the video of
Taylor Swift watching now her
Kansas City Chiefs it's very
transient a spell has
radicalized Taylor Swift ah,
Adam Curry: the NFL has
radicalized Taylor Swift. She
was
Unknown: cursing she was yelling
she was furious, as furious as
Patrick mahomes was spiking his
helmet on the ground after he
threw two picks in this game. It
was a home game for Taylor
Swift.
Adam Curry: I you know, I have
to say that something is wrong
with Taylor Swift because her
image is not her. You Using the
F word so everybody can see it.
And she's very she's hyper aware
of being on camera. Totally. So
she knows that she's doing this
that there was something about
that. That was very, very wrong.
They broke my heart.
John C Dvorak: I liked the crack
in your voice good. Broke. My
heart is good. It's very good.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: There's another part
of that loneliness up. Is Have
you been falling this beeper? I
message thing? No. So I don't
think I have a clip of it. You
would know this. But there thank
you. Yeah, you wouldn't know
this. But there's a social
issue. And I even get crap for
it from from my adult. You know,
AARP friends. You're the green
bubble in our chat group. You're
ruining the You're ruining the
chat group. But yes, I know, I
didn't, I thought you would
know. Um, so there's a
difference between iPhones. When
you're when you're text
messaging with an iPhone, you're
no longer going through the SMS
Short Message Service system,
you're going through iMessage,
right. And we know that with
iMessage, you can mail you can
delete stuff, you can edit
stuff, you can add stuff, you
can name your group. But if you
add one person into the group
who has a phone that is on the
SMS system, ie Adam with
graphene OS that ruins all the
features, then a breaks then
then it because and you will
show up as a green bubble, where
everyone else is a blue bubble.
And it's so bad that you know,
there are people who we've
talked about this. People will
not date someone who has a green
bubble. If you've got an Android
phone, you're Undateable. But
this was years ago, we
John C Dvorak: talked about
Well, it's been it's only me it
was like I wish I would guess 10
years ago, when we had somebody
somebody sent us an email saying
that they wouldn't think anyone.
I
Adam Curry: think it was a
buzzkill Junior actually who
filled us in on this. It could
have been Yeah, I think so. But
it
John C Dvorak: was like if
you're at the bar, and you pull
out anything but an iPhone,
you're a loser. So the girls
wouldn't date these people. But
I thought that went by the
wayside with the foldables. No
other phones that are far
superior in my head to the
iPhone.
Adam Curry: Now this of course,
this could be iPhone. Public
Relations, again, topic handle
is possible. Yeah. So this guy
came up with an app, then he
reverse engineered the iMessage
protocol. And he released this
app, and Apple, of course lost
their crap because there goes
there the whole reason for
getting an iPhone. So I actually
think that this is Apple
propaganda. And now the FTC was
looking into this guy, you know,
oh, the
John C Dvorak: FTC should be
looking into Apple. Of course.
Well, the
Adam Curry: EU has now forced
Apple's hand and they in the EU
in 2024. And I think it'll be
worldwide. They're going to
adhere to the RCS standard, rich
communication services, I think.
So I think they'll let me know
the let the Android people, I
think you'll they'll still give
you a green bubble. If I were
Apple, that's what I do. If I
were the horrible people at
Apple, or I would give you the
function I
John C Dvorak: would too. That's
exactly the right strategy. Use
the new standard, but you'd have
some other they'll get a green
thing running underneath that
would let you know it was coming
Adam Curry: from a loser or a
loser loser green
John C Dvorak: bubble. Yeah,
that's what I would do exactly
what I would do. So
Adam Curry: you know, people, if
this is important in your life,
then if they're in I have given
my friends grief about this,
you're horrible person when you
say that. Now, my pastor, he's
like, we're in a group message
with him like you're a horrible
person, Pastor. You should. He
shouldn't be complaining about
my green bubble. This is really
bad. This
John C Dvorak: This sounds
terrible. This also is your Oh,
I can now see the triggering
mechanism.
Adam Curry: What's the
triggering mechanism
John C Dvorak: that your pastor
is like, rebuked you,
Adam Curry: when he threw in a
quick Smiley? Wink emoji. So
John C Dvorak: that's everybody.
Adam Curry: I know. We're all
okay.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, sure. But
this
Adam Curry: is this is
seriously, if your pastor listen
to this show. Oh, absolutely. I
doubt it. Oh, absolutely loves
the show. Yes, he loves it. This
is where we
John C Dvorak: send you an email
saying quantum five, which will
be the code word I just gave a
quantum five. Okay. Don't repeat
it. I won't make sure that he
Okay. Here's
Adam Curry: how here's how I
connected with the pastor. When
he was over at our house for the
first time when Phoebe bit his
wife would that was cool. This
is before we sent her away to
the bootcamp. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Did you say bit?
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah. That's my
Phoebe went away for three
weeks. So we didn't really know
them. And so like, oh, the
pastor's wife coming over for
dinner. And then we're sitting
there and I said, Hey, you know,
what I wanted to say is I really
loved your service this morning.
What came out was I really loved
your show. And he cracked up.
And then we realized that we
actually both are doing shows.
And there's a lot of
similarities between them.
Pastor John, ah, just saying.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, I
don't want to be blasphemous. Be
sure we're doing a podcast and
that's
Unknown: let's be blasphemous
for a moment. Then the European
Union is squaring up to porn
sites seeing some companies have
to follow the strictest level of
the EU's new digital rulebook.
That means they'll have to beef
up measures aimed at policing
illegal content, and protecting
minors. It won't be welcome news
for platforms like Pornhub. It
says it doesn't have enough
users to deserve that level of
scrutiny. The newly listed
platforms will follow Elon
Musk's ex, which Brussels
suspects isn't doing enough to
clamp down on disinformation.
After all, if tech firms are
found to be in breach of the EU
rules, they could face fines of
up to 6% of revenue, or be
banned from the block for repeat
offenses. Brussels is just
getting started with
enforcement. So we've yet to see
just how tough the laws are in
practice, or what they mean for
businesses. The European Union
says platforms can run from the
new rules that they can't hide.
The
Adam Curry: EU is lost man.
Lost. They have no free speech
is gone. It's gone. It's gone. I
John C Dvorak: do where they
happen to they just kind of put
up with it. You have always been
the pushovers. I mean that's why
there's all those wars that
break out every you know so
often. One German country beaten
up the other one and then all
hell breaks loose in the real
world war. And it spreads all
over the place. Those guys are
horrible. They're hopeless, the
worst
Adam Curry: they don't even
realize what's going on. They
don't they don't even know about
the digital services act. They
don't even know what's going on
with them. That's the thing.
Besides what what we what we
can't say that what we have to
register for porn, but taking a
picture of my face. What? When
did that happen? Because you
know, Brussels is people think
well, of course. The UK is is is
different. UK has its own
issues.
John C Dvorak: But yeah, they're
still they're still part of it.
There's, you know, they only
broke away and kind of a fake
way. I think the whole range
Adam Curry: wait until Nigel
Farage comes back. He's kind of
John C Dvorak: I know he's
making a meal. But he is. He's
fronting for someone else. Who
knows who? I have a I have a
three by three. Oh,
Adam Curry: no, no, no, it's
time for a three by three.
Experiment by JC de Behrens go
read from ABC. John's got three
stories from three networks.
Let's see what the script is
today. Are they all the same
today? Are they collusion? Did
they get the talking points from
the White House or so from the
intelligence agencies? It is
your three by three?
John C Dvorak: Well, I have to
say that. Thank you for the
intro. You're welcome. I have to
say that. Our producer Jones
that finds the Save the clip.
Clip collector? Yes. Steve, our
buddy. Yeah. It's like,
Adam Curry: do you know that
he's,
John C Dvorak: I'm kind of
surprised. Yes. I'm surprised
that I stopped doing this
myself. Because it's more
apparent than ever. That it's
like the same newsroom. These
stories are structured the same
this two three networks that are
supposed to be in competition
with each other. And the three
networks put together the exact
and this is goes on and on. Not
just one story me. He sent these
sends different samples of
different examples.
Adam Curry: Hold on. Hold on a
second. No wonder I'm getting
fewer clips from him. It's like
he's like, Oh, this is so much
easier to do the three by three
for John. Like that. Just drop
on that stuff. I just needle
drop it. Boom, there it is.
Boom, there it is. Boom, there
it is.
John C Dvorak: I will I don't
well. Yeah, I think it's I think
it's true. I think he I think he
himself is stunned by the
stupidity of these these three
networks, these major networks
worldwide, International. These
networks are playing us. Exactly
the same story. So somebody else
is doing the stories. They're
not doing it. Let's start with.
This is about the SCOTUS denial
of the trump of One of the
trials Yeah.
Adam Curry: Data Files, fast
tracking of the trial fast
John C Dvorak: tracking Exactly.
Let's start with NBC. Tonight
Unknown: the US Supreme Court
handing Donald Trump the
practical victory he wanted
punting for now on a legal issue
that could make or break the
federal case that accuses him of
plotting to overturn the last
election. The High Court
declining the special counsels
request to answer right now
whether Mr. Trump is immune from
prosecution, a lower court
concluding the presidency
doesn't confer a lifelong Get
Out of Jail Free pass a decision
Mr. Trump had appealed, arguing
complete immunity for anything
that happened while he was in
office. That led prosecutors to
ask the Supreme Court to step in
and quickly resolve the issue.
Now, today's decision all but
guaranteeing the existing trial
date set for March will flip all
this as the prosecution's hand
is strengthened on a different
front. The Detroit News
reporting it reviewed audio
recordings of Mr. Trump pressing
to local Republican officials
not to certify the 2020 election
results in Wayne County,
Michigan, telling them we can't
let these people take our
country away from us.
Army for my service. asked me
how I was doing
NBC News has not heard or
verified the audio. The Trump
campaign maintains the former
President was focused on
election integrity. The call
itself only described benignly
by one of those local officials
at the time. Are you saying the
President's call had no
influence at you recant
that you're? Absolutely. Wow.
Adam Curry: So there's no story.
They have no evidence, no call?
No one's saying it's an outrage.
They got nothing.
John C Dvorak: No, they do have
the same quote everyone uses
which is Trump. Trump said that
we had to take back our country.
You're going to hear that was
NBC. You're going to hear ABC
and this is going to be I would
say you think it was the same
exact report. They have the same
cut away to this bullcrap
recording. Everything's in the
same order. This is unbelievable
to me.
Unknown: Tonight, a legal
victory for former President
Donald Trump in a one sentence
order. The US Supreme Court says
it will stay out of the Federal
Election interference case
against him until a lower court
decides whether he's immune from
prosecution for crimes he
allegedly committed while he was
in office. Special Counsel Jack
Smith had asked the justices to
move fast and bypass a federal
appeals court. Today's decision
almost certainly means Trump's
trial currently scheduled to
begin March fourth will be
delayed. Trump faces conspiracy
and obstruction charges for
plotting to overturn the 2020
election. Special Counsel said
Trump used deceit towards state
officials to subvert the
legitimate election results. And
tonight a new report claiming to
show how deeply engaged Trump
was in efforts to cling to
power. The Detroit News reports
are viewed a recording of Trump
on the phone with two
Republicans on the Wayne County
Board of canvassers pressuring
them not to certify Joe Biden's
victory in Michigan. The paper
says Trump told the two
canvassers Monica Palmer and
William Hartmann, they'd look
terrible if they sign the
certification and press Trump
telling them we can't let these
people take our country away
from us. Republican Chairwoman
Ronna McDaniel, who was on the
same call reportedly said Do not
sign it. We will get you
attorneys Trump padding will
take care of that. ABC News has
not independently confirmed the
report. neither Trump nor
McDaniel disputed the papers
characterization of the call
Palmer did not respond to our
request for comment. Hartman
died in 2021. The pressure
campaign did not work the
canvassers ultimately certified
the election for Biden. Trump's
spokesman says the former
President's actions were taken
in furtherance of his duty as
President to ensure election
integrity. McDaniel said the
call reflects her belief there
was ample evidence that
warranted an audit. The call
fits a pattern of Trump's strong
arming state officials to change
the 2020 election results like
his call to Georgia's Secretary
of State
Adam Curry: I love that pressure
strong arming I mean, what do
you say I'm going to shoot you
I'm going to arrest you What is
this bad as mafia mafia
practices man writes Hitler
Hitler
John C Dvorak: did you'll notice
the destructure that story is
identical exactly the same?
Exactly the same and how does
that happen? I
Adam Curry: would like to same
length John, these clips are
almost all of this fact is
John C Dvorak: the same link I
have just tell Jonesy oh hey, we
can't go over two minutes. So
Adam Curry: these geysers the
Joneses clip collective voice
clip Custodio. They have a they
have a discord they share
together so they don't overlap
clips. They're managing us.
John C Dvorak: Privates were for
some agency for pool boy. So
yeah, brother Joe. So the point
is, is that this is ridiculous
these these reports, and they
have the same structure almost.
I mean, it's just it's like how
do you how does that happen on
two independent newsrooms? It
can't happen unless you're being
guided by above. Now, I will
mention that when this first
came up, probably a month ago
that there were that this Joker
was going to send us to the
Supreme Court directly. I said,
on this show, that this, they're
not going to accept this because
the Supreme Court, in this case,
definitely wants it to go
through some lower systems. It
has to be, you just can't go
from zero to the Supreme Court.
I can't take my parking ticket
to the Supreme Court, because I
want to. So this was a foregone
conclusion, nobody mentions that
they don't. Nobody in any of
these three reports even
discusses the mechanism here, or
reads the one terse line saying
send it back. They all tell you
about the Supreme Court in one
sentence, send it back, but they
never read us the sentence. Here
we go. Now we go to CBS with
Robert Costa. And it's going to
be a little different they, they
change it up a bit, but they
don't change it up. In this
case, they don't change it up
enough and they don't bring in
anything new today's Supreme
Unknown: Court order could delay
the march 2024 Start of Trump's
trial on charges of interfering
in the 2020 presidential
election. The immunity issue
will be heard by an appeals
court in the second week of
January, and now a potentially
stunning development. The
Detroit News reports it has
heard a recording of a November
17 2020 phone call where Trump
pressures to Wayne County
officials who heard the
recording of a November's
backing up
John C Dvorak: Detroit News Oh
Detroit News newspaper guy
supposedly heard her recording
now it's now I have to say the
CBS is the only one who read who
refuses to say we can't verify
the other two networks say we
can't verify this recording or
that it even exists. CBS just
passes it through as though it
exists for sure.
Adam Curry: Or we could actually
say without evidence. Without
without evidence CBS reported
without evidence development.
Unknown: Detroit News reports.
It has heard a recording of a
November 17 2020 phone call
where Trump pressures to Wayne
County officials, Monica Palmer
and William Hartman to not
certify the 2020 election. The
paper also says Republican
National Committee Chairwoman
Ronna McDaniel was on the call.
If you go home tonight do not
sign it. The paper reports
McDaniel told the officials we
will get you attorneys Trump
told them to fight said it would
be terrible if they certified. I
must not.
John C Dvorak: Now, if you had
to pull it back a little bit. I
have to say they haven't
listened to this for the
umpteenth time. I would say this
was new information because what
he said was that it was
McDaniel, Ronna McDaniels, who's
the one who pressured them to
not sign not not Trump. Exactly.
Now this wasn't this was okay.
But this is interesting. So I
can continue sorry
Unknown: go home tonight. Do not
sign it. The paper reports
McDaniel told the officials we
will get you attorneys Trump
told them to fight said it would
be terrible if they certified
and said they must not let these
people take our country away
from us. The call was detailed
in the house. Yeah, yeah,
absolutely. But yeah, fide and
said they must not let these
people take our country away
from us. The call was detailed
in the House Select committees
January 6 report, but the
existence of audio was not
previously known. In the report,
Palmer told investigators she
could not recall what exactly
Trump said or if he raised
election issues. Palmer has said
she was trying to protect the
vote
make sure every vote is counted
whether it's a Republican or
Democrat,
a Trump spokesman said Trump's
actions were within his duty as
president and an attempt to
ensure election integrity. In a
statement McDaniel said that at
the time there was ample
evidence that warranted an
audit. Special Counsel Jack
Smith has been investigating how
Trump worked to throw President
Biden's victory into doubt and
spark chaos during the
congressional certification
often by leaning on Republicans
in key states to declare trump
the victor Smith's office
declined to comment
Adam Curry: week. He declined to
comment. Okay. Yeah, exactly the
same report this. I mean, this
is really the reporting on the
what the Detroit Herald what was
it to Detroit News, Detroit
News, so they're commenting on
something they read online. Oh,
I see a tweet from No no, they
John C Dvorak: all say all the
reports say that they heard the
tape. The news somehow I don't
know what the news they never
say. It's not the home of
operation, obviously. But they
said they heard a tape. That's
the breaking news that this tape
exists.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's like the
P tape and all the other tapes
out of
John C Dvorak: trouble. Yeah.
And if it's such a Why didn't
Why does Detroit News post the
tape? Yeah, exactly. How hard
can that be? They have a
website. They could post the
tape well heard this is what
they heard.
Adam Curry: Yeah. This someone
just played over the phone. This
is bullcrap. Yeah. Well, in this
vein, with former President
Trump being taken off the
Colorado ballot, I see yes, I
think it's time to to go to our
friends.
John C Dvorak: You take him off
the ballot to protect a
democracy
Unknown: elitist voices of
America. This is NPR
Adam Curry: or PBS. It's
actually NPR and it is clearly
the B team. The B team is loose,
because everyone's off for
Christmas holiday. So we can
just go crazy and we can just
say whatever we want.
Unknown: violent rhetoric is
raging in some corners of the
internet, right?
Adam Curry: I mean, come on.
When you start a report with
violent rhetoric is raging. I
mean, that's good stuff. That
script writing.
John C Dvorak: The news would be
no violent rhetoric was raging
on parts of the internet. That
would be actual news.
Adam Curry: It's Chad GPT.
Writing their scripts,
Unknown: violent rhetoric is
raging in some corners of the
internet after this week's some
corners
Adam Curry: of the internet.
Okay, so what is a corner of the
internet that just to be
nitpicky about it? What is that
there
John C Dvorak: is no such thing
as a corner of the internet.
Adam Curry: Well, in some
corners, there's not just a
corner there's some corners. Not
a
John C Dvorak: corners, maybe
multiple corners. Well, that can
only be four. How many?
sneakily? Yeah, you can only
have no you can have what about
your head a hexagon or
Adam Curry: ruler? Okay. Then
you got multiple corners. You
got wedges
Unknown: violent rhetoric is
raging in some corners of the
internet after this week's
historic ruling from the
Colorado Supreme Court after
judges barred Donald Trump from
the state's primary ballot. Some
supporters of the former
president are fuming over the
decision
Adam Curry: fuming
Unknown: rulemaking and have
begun circulating personal
information about Colorado
Supreme Court justices who ruled
against Trump. Some are even
calling for civil war. Ah,
Adam Curry: there it is. Some
are calling for Civil War
John C Dvorak: by over color
right. Anything going on in
Colorado? Really? Let me let me
guess
Adam Curry: this has to be far
right is the far right how far
far
Unknown: who ruled against
Trump? Some are even calling for
Civil War NPR domestic extremism
correspondent whoa, hold
Adam Curry: on. A second. NPR
NPR domestic extremism
correspondent.
John C Dvorak: So how much
domestic extremism is this
person covering
Adam Curry: enough to have a
title enough to get paid to do
this
John C Dvorak: great business
card
Adam Curry: I have. What do you
do? I'm a domestic extremism
correspondent for NPR your
national treasure. Wow. Nice to
meet you. Wait until you hear
this jabroni are
Unknown: even calling for civil
war. NPR domestic extremism
correspondent Odette Youssef is
here to tell us more I owe debt.
Yousef, I was reading some of
this debt. And I don't know I've
seen all this before. And then I
thought to myself, That's not
good.
Adam Curry: That's not good.
Because, you know, because I'm
going to editorialize everything
because no one's listening.
Unknown: Yeah, I mean, a on some
of these forums, this kind of
talking.
Adam Curry: Right, hold on far
right platforms.
John C Dvorak: That would be
Fox.
Adam Curry: I'm thinking X,
Rumble
John C Dvorak: X, X and rumble
rumble Bridey. On Yeah. And bit
shoot, which you? Yeah,
Unknown: I mean, a on some of
these far right platforms. This
kind of talk is everyday stuff.
Adam Curry: Listen to the
editorializing. It's everyday
stuff. It's my job on the on the
far right corner platform, a
domestic terrorist extremist
correspondent, it's everyday
stuff. My job. Oh, so hard.
Unknown: Yeah. I mean, a on some
of these far right platforms.
This kind of talk is everyday
stuff. But when there are events
that affect Trump adversely,
whether it's an indictment or
say the search of his property
at Mar a Lago, it spikes and so
this time, you know, we're
seeing claims online that this
is a Democratic Party conspiracy
to interfere in the election.
We're seeing calls to arm up or
to hurt or even killed perceived
political foes. barma armor up.
You know, so far people
monitoring these spaces say
they're not seeing indications
of a credible or imminent
threat. Hold on, listen,
John C Dvorak: what's the story?
Adam Curry: Arm up civil war,
but so far people monitoring
these spaces. Isn't that your
job correspondent? I know this
is confusing,
Unknown: but they also caution
that this doesn't mean it should
be ignored.
So yeah, authorities still want
to be watchful then. Oh, yeah,
of course.
I mean, you may recall that
after the MAR a Lago search, for
example, online rhetoric heated
up, and there was an individual
who attacked an FBI field office
in Cincinnati. So it is
important to understand how the
baseline threat level is
evolving.
John C Dvorak: Was that guy a
left winger? Listen, no
connection between the field
office in Cincinnati? What's
that got to do with anything in
Florida? I don't think like at
some place, some screwball. No,
I
Adam Curry: don't remember even
that store. I
John C Dvorak: do remember some
somebody did you threw a brick
through the window or something
like that? Well,
Adam Curry: there's a second
part to this. It just gets
better.
Unknown: You know, one person I
spoke to who's been keeping an
eye on this online activity is
Daniel J. Jones. He's with the
nonpartisan nonprofit advanced
democracy.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, right. Hold
it. Run organization have ever
heard had Vance.
Adam Curry: Let's just take a
look at advanced democracy.
Let's just do this in real.
Advanced democracy Inc is an
independent, nonpartisan non for
profit organization that
conducts public policy in my
search. And let's just take a
look. Let's see, what do they
have? They don't where's that?
Where's their about? Where's
their boots page? They don't
even have an A boots? Of
John C Dvorak: course not.
Please wait, hold on. Is there a
boot is act blue.
Adam Curry: That's what I'm
thinking. Now. I've gone to the
dashboard. For advanced
democracy. Let's see tracking
political donations in the
complex, complex Us campaign
finance system. That's what they
do. Search by DOE, ma'am. So
they basically just open
opensecrets.org They just take
from their stuff.
John C Dvorak: This is this is a
lame looking website. This
Adam Curry: is weak. This is
weak. So but I mean,
John C Dvorak: how is the
source? Yeah,
Adam Curry: I don't understand
what they do. climat. And
John C Dvorak: Clint looks like
a fake web. It these guys don't
even look real. They have
Adam Curry: Climate and
Environment Program, government
accountability, corruption
program. Global Oh, global
extremism program. We weren't
let's be it oh, here it is. We
work to identify and document
the growth, reach and influence
of violent extremist groups, as
well as political rhetoric in
the United States and Europe
targeting communities of color
immigrants, the LGBTQ
population, and religious
minorities desmi that has
contributed to protecting me
that has contributed to a surge
in global hate crimes. Hold on,
hold on a second advanced now.
We've got to do this homeless
second. If they are nonprofit,
then they have advanced
democracy than they have. And
that was a sea advance.
Democracy. Okay. Let's see. Then
they have a Oh, where are they?
It's funny. Advanced democracy,
Inc. Okay. They, yeah, they got
to $2.3 million in 2022. So I'll
have to look at their 990 see
what they're up to. They have
four point a $5 million in
assets. Let me tell you, that's
more than this show. Yep. So
anyway, let's continue.
Unknown: He says he's not just
watching the uptick in violent
language. I think it's
really concerning that we're not
seeing pushback against this
language. We're not seeing
pushback against dehumanizing
language from the presumptive
Republican nominee. We're not
seeing pushback from language
from political leaders on the
right. What do
Adam Curry: you mean, we're not
seeing pushback? The mainstream
media Going Ape ape crap over
this? Well, we said vermin all
he he quoted Hitler all he's
parroting Putin. What do you
mean, we're not seeing pushback?
What are you talking about?
John C Dvorak: Dude, I heard I
was listening to somebody on one
of these networks. And she
actually said that was a quote
and which we debunked already
and didn't get the clip. But she
says it was a quote from mine
come
Adam Curry: Yes. We looked at
mine comp, we got our own
personal copy, you
John C Dvorak: can get on a PDF.
Adam Curry: I have it in the
bookshelf right next to it. You
John C Dvorak: can search the
PDF faster right next to the
manifesto
Adam Curry: from the Unabomber.
Come on, people you gotta read
all that stuff.
Unknown: We're seeing the
mainstreaming of this extremism
and this this encouragement of
violence and right wing media.
And
I, you know, hear this across
the board when I speak to
extremism researchers, you know,
our job. Our job is violence
from the right, and they
John C Dvorak: stop it again.
You know, this idea that there's
getting no pushback is, is
really getting on my nerves
because all you get is pushback.
Trump says did my Ain't no minor
thing and I'm in an ad libbing a
speech in Iowa, and they jump
all over him. These people are
either living in an unbelievably
what they mean by no pushback.
They mean that the entire
country doesn't rebuke Trump and
his numbers go to zero. Yes,
Adam Curry: correct. Correct.
Oh, sec. Let me look at this.
This lady. Oh, dead Yussuf. Here
she is Odette Yusuf. Let me see
what her deal is. She's a
domestic up there it is. NPR.
She has a page domestic
extremism correspondent. It says
that on there. Is that right on
her page? A debt. Youssef is a
NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT
focusing on extremism. All
right, but it says domestic
extremism correspondent in her
reporting. Yousef claims to
explore click Oh aims, aims to
explore how extremist ideas
break into the mainstream. Yeah,
on NPR. How individuals are
radicalized and efforts to
counter that. Well, so far. We
haven't heard any of that she
comes from WBEZ in Chicago,
where she most recently was part
of the race class and identity
team. Oh, she must have dynamite
business cards. I'm part of the
race class and identity team
also known as RCI. While there
she was reporter for host and
host for season three of WBCs
investigative podcast motive.
Won the 2021 Edward R. Murrow
award. Podcast Yes. explores the
emergence and spread of the neo
Nazi skinhead movement in the
US. It's been a while
John C Dvorak: probably for 20
years. It's been a while since
I've seen a skinhead. I mean,
you see him on TV shows
Adam Curry: you know those guys
that January 6, the Feds they
were skinhead kind of guys they
all had the same
John C Dvorak: crew cut shortcut
in those guys. So there's a skin
his she was also part of
Adam Curry: the team that in
2016 won the national Edward R.
Murrow Award for Best continuing
coverage and receives a 2018
Studs Terkel Community Media
Award.
John C Dvorak: She's an award
winner. She's also an IMDB, by
the way. Oh, is she now this is
so you can go there and she does
have the motive podcast series
listed in 2019. And that's the
only she's gonna think she's
really got on there. But that
just shows you that people that
that executive producer show can
get on here too. So yeah, so
Adam Curry: you're you're She's
no better than you people.
That's what we're saying. Sure
Unknown: is, you know, exactly
what they are concerned about is
violence from the right. And
they say that if high profile
figures would just clearly
disavow that violence that some
are calling for it could really
helped bring the temperature
down.
Adam Curry: Everyone is this
high profile figures need to
disavow that violent rhetoric
that is raging? Well, I that's
all I ever later
John C Dvorak: Island rhetoric
from Trump,
Adam Curry: vermin.
John C Dvorak: Vermin Berman,
and so we had to poisoning doing
anything. What did they Are they
kidding these people?
Unknown: But when it comes to
this ruling in Colorado, I mean,
many are expecting that the
ruling from that court may not
be the final word on this or any
acknowledge Oh, no.
Yes. In fact, I spoke with
Katherine Keneally of another
organization, the Institute for
Strategic Dialogue. Oh,
John C Dvorak: another one.
Adam Curry: Institute I should
have done this earlier, the
Institute for Strategic
Dialogue. Let's see. Let's see.
ISD is ISD global.org. All
right, a boot. They got an A
boot page. That power of oh,
here's their slogan powering
solutions to extremism, hate and
disinformation. They got
solutions. They have solutions.
Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And I'm noticing
that looks like the code base
for this particular website is
very similar to the one you just
used. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Okay, so let me look
at the donate page. Let's see
where they have. You can donate
in US dollars. Oh, they have a
Oh they've got all kinds of
donate in in Euro this a big
outfit man.
John C Dvorak: You know this
this outfit is much bigger than
another one that was a front for
these are
Adam Curry: the dudes These are
big guys. Yeah, these are the
guys. Let me just see. Let's
look at their board for a second
just to make sure we can see got
UK Boardman. Where's our UK in
Germany?
John C Dvorak: Interest Yeah, in
fact, I have this website site
is in German German.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. They got
other Oh man. They got a lot of
lot of Germans. I don't see any.
Any funny names that we read.
These are a lot of white women
here. Do you know what? Their
racist? They got? No black
people. Oh, there's one Sameen
Zehra the youth civic action
coordinator. Wow, this is racist
outfit. They have no people of
color.
Unknown: And she said she
noticed this.
We can also see a large number
of people posts statements that
they weren't concerned because
they believe that the US Supreme
Court is going to shoot it down
anyways. So oh
Adam Curry: my god anyways,
anyway, where are you from?
Unknown: frame that I started
seeing was the user, nothing
burger, nothing violent. You
know, this is still very
concerning to people who care
about democracy, right? Because,
you know, even when
John C Dvorak: people's name off
the ballot, that's that spells
democracy, even
Unknown: absent violence, you
know, this is still very
concerning to people who care
about democracy, right? Because,
right, you know, even when
threats of violence against
judges voters, really, anyone
participating in civic life,
become normal, that can have a
chilling effect. You
know, obviously, I read I read
The New York Times, like all day
long, mainly on my iPad.
Adam Curry: So Tina, yesterday,
she says, You know, I was
watching an interview with
Whitney Webb and she's, she's
kind of saying the same thing.
You are said Nope. Nope. Then so
she's we sit down to watch it.
And she's been making the
rounds. And spoiler alert,
neither of us like Whitney Webb.
And, and so I'm watching this.
And she literally talks out of
the side of her mouth. Now this
is new.
John C Dvorak: She's, it's been
developing, it
Adam Curry: wasn't that way. And
now it's just just this
continuous smirk. And I'm not
sure why people are so enamored
with it, because she's not
really saying anything other
than well, they're gonna bring
in the CDC to control everybody
through a cyber event, the
banks, and it's all planned to
the west, the West. So, so we're
watching and and I said, Well,
let me see what you're looking
at. And she was on Jimmy Dore,
but this was a different one.
This was oh, this was Peter
McCormick from what Bitcoin did.
He's a he's a big Bitcoin guy.
Nice guy. I've been on the show
a couple times. But every five
seconds when he's going, right,
yeah, we're just gonna be shy.
We're when we're the West.
Right? And so I go, right. And
that's it. I'm not watching with
you anymore. She I can't handle
how you how you hate her. I
don't hate her. No, we don't
hate her. I don't hate her.
John C Dvorak: But you know,
she's derivative. She doesn't
even live in the United States.
And she's making, you know,
doing this analysis. So she's
not in the milieu. So she can't
pick up on anything going on.
And and she's everything she's
done, somebody else has done
before. And when people call her
out, and I have a website, I
keep sending people to I don't
have it handy him. Dead Buster,
because it was an old Whitney
Webb fan that found that she
won't, you know that she's
actually ruined people. She's
not a good person.
Adam Curry: And then she
continues going on and on about,
you know, they want to control
us by making, making it forcing
us to, to use our real job
government ID for social media,
and they want to control you and
then then you'll sign up for
your internet at home, and then
they'll know everything you're
watching. Hello, where are you
been? Where have you been? It's
just like, and I don't want to
pick on her but crikey, man.
It's like, it's like the
redacted people. Now, I'm not
interested in the redacted
people either. I'm kind of down
on all of these info Mavericks.
And there you go again, yes.
Well, because now people are
saying you're just crapping all
over them. Who should Who should
we do
Unknown: our urine?
Adam Curry: You know why? Hater?
I'm a hater. Dara,
John C Dvorak: right? You're a
hater. And you're crapping all
over the good people like
Whitney Webb and, and, and, and
Tim Poole, and all the rest of
these guys who are just trying
to straighten people out. And
they mean well, they mean, well,
they
Adam Curry: do mean well, they
absolutely mean well. I think
they do mean well, but it's all
just it's like listening to
Twitter all day. It's like
there's nothing new it's it's
all by the
John C Dvorak: way. Do they mean
well? Well, or is it part of
something bigger? Well, then
they don't mean well.
Adam Curry: No, John dvorak.org
on that one.
John C Dvorak: Oh, of course is
suggesting the possibility
exists.
Adam Curry: No, no one's getting
paid. You know. Like Whitney
Webb comes from a billionaire
family. She's connected to the
Rockefellers, whatever is she
finds who cares? No one's
getting paid to do this. That
well, they are by the way
getting paid to keep you afraid
and keep us focused on why
John C Dvorak: Yesterday they're
doing a good job of that would
actually unfortunately put your
buddy Alex Jones in that
category speaking of speaking
of, but But before he go there,
I want to go back to this. I
just stumbled upon the I had
this ISD page. Yes. One of their
big things is to push back
against you if you remember the
right rice burger movement. Oh,
it was Germans, of course, that
was the German attended attempt
of German to overturn German
government by some one guy. So
that was that 70 year old guys,
some 70 year old guy. And so
that's all part of it. So this
is part of this is a one world
government operation telling
you? Well,
Adam Curry: yes. That mean?
Well, the thing is, you just got
to follow the money. If Whitney
Webb has a nonprofit, then then
I'll say okay, she's in audit,
but she's not. But she's, that's
like a fire fund a lot. You
know, the, the blonde girl. I
mean, she's, she's uniquely
beautiful to look at me. So
which one who? The Dutch girl
Eva? You know, she's married to
some guy from Prager, you. She's
in that whole group? Yeah,
John C Dvorak: no, I don't know
her. Yes, you do. She was
Adam Curry: on Tucker. Yes, you
do. And you know, and so she she
uses that the turning point USA
and saying your rights, you
know, are given by God. And I
was like, Oh, she's the best.
Oh, she's, she's Joan of Arc.
John C Dvorak: I think most of
these guys, what they're saying
is already printed on the dollar
bill. I mean, it's not like it's
new information.
Adam Curry: Now, but but that's
my point is I was like, yeah,
yeah. And all you're doing is
sitting around in a circle jerk
going Yeah, yeah. You know, go
to your local community run for
school board run for city
council do something productive.
These people are distracting
you. I love Alex Jones. I always
will. Been he he taught me a
lot. He's been right about a
lot. Before we did the show was
listening to him. But when you
put him together with Mike
Adams, you get dynamite dynamite
content, all of
Unknown: you watching and
listening. We're all going to
have to become experts at
frankly, killing the Terminator
robots that are trying to kill
us by
the way. That's the way the
world works for survival, the
fittest the globalist are going
to deploy this and see what
happens. Yes, this is a big
contest. It's been decided we're
gonna face machines, rather,
sabotage and military wokeness
getting the humans out. So only
drones can fight the wars
because they'll follow the
orders.
And you're not gonna be able to
out shoot a terminator
ballistically because they will
have built in ballistic
software. They will be able to
outrange you with rifles.
They'll have, you know, of
course, infrared cameras and so
on. They'll be able to see you
at night so you don't go out at
night. Find a terminator. What
you do is you set traps for it
traps that where it can't
anticipate what's going to
happen. There's going to be a
whole field of knowledge about
how to kill terminators. You're
going to have autonomous flying
drones making decisions about
who to bomb and who to kill.
You're going to have autonomous
dog drones. And also, I call
them Terminator squirrels.
Believe it or not, because
squirrel the size of a squirrel
is actually the best size on a
battlefield because it can go up
in a tree and it can traverse a
forest by leaping from tree to
tree, and it's very hard to stop
and it can carry about 100 gram
explosive. So these Terminator
squirrels I'm not making this
No, that's mainstream.
Terminator squirrels will be
programmed to seek out enemy
soldiers to leap into their
faces, and then detonate in
their face a small charge to
kill them like a small grenade.
Okay, so those are going to be
unleashed on the battlefield
very, very soon in the coming
few years.
Adam Curry: God can't wait. It's
coming.
John C Dvorak: Holy moly,
where'd you get that?
Adam Curry: Um,
John C Dvorak: somebody sent it
to you.
Adam Curry: The clip custodian
says
John C Dvorak: we have maniacs
that listen to this. That is
your right. That's the kind of a
critical mass of craze those two
together it
Adam Curry: was on the Jones's
discord. I think that's where
that came. But so all I'm saying
is
John C Dvorak: you can't even
get these autonomous things to
go more than you know, have
Adam Curry: you seen even
John C Dvorak: before the
battery goes dead? Did
Adam Curry: you see Elon Musk
optimum version version two.
It's a robot that walks like it
has to take a dump
John C Dvorak: they all they all
have that? All the robots isone
robot most of them I've seen
have to walk they have to keep
out of swatting like they're
gonna take a dump belly they'll
fall over
Adam Curry: just beware of false
idols people you know be careful
be careful with your with your
amygdala. Be careful with your
mind because that's the danger
all these people are great. I
mean,
John C Dvorak: it seems curl
jumping onto your face and
detonated individually. I mean,
can you duck it? Maybe could you
duck the squirrel?
Adam Curry: You know, you know
Jordan Peterson individually
these beads they're okay. But
they get into this like bar
right and everyone gets spun up
to Just get spun up. Easy does
it read a book? Now this is, um,
so now we have the following
this, this is a great, a great
hit piece, which was sent to me
as Oh, great Nikki Haley, super
cut bow. She's full of crap. And
she contradicts herself. Well,
this is clearly from Team Magga.
They have hacked I mean, I'm
certainly not a Nikki Haley fan.
I think it's hilarious that
there's this rumor going around
that Trump is talking to people
Hey, should I should I make her
my VP? Please? Yeah, that'll be
the day that's not gonna happen.
That mean, she would have a
knife in his back within two
seconds. But then they put
together and by the
John C Dvorak: way, before you
play this clip, I want to say
that I put it in the newsletter,
and I'm going to use it as a
theme for the next year, Trump,
and whoever the geniuses are,
that work on his campaign will
be developing all kinds of you
know, I think this is the reason
they came up with all these. I
think the Democrats know this,
and we hear a lot about all
misinformation, disinformation,
AI is gonna kill us all. Yeah,
AI is going to be used by Trump
and his boys and the rest of
them and memes included, I got
the meme alert out to kick to
kick ass. And it's gonna be a
year of hilarity? Because like
you said, you agree with me on
this one thing about AI? It's
funny.
Adam Curry: Oh, but that's the
business model. What is the
business model of AI is comedy.
It's hilarious. The stuff that
they're doing with existing AI,
you don't need anything more
than what's out there already.
You know, we can already kind of
do video and do voices. And you
know, as far as I'm concerned,
you can stop the development.
Although, wow, open AI, John is
now in talks to raise funding at
a $100 billion valuation. But
now we see what's really going
on, know what the moneys for? It
is too. So they're raising
funding with Abu Dhabi based g
42. For a new chip venture.
That's we talked about this.
That's where the money is
compute. Let's make crazy big
things to take a lot of
processing power, tell people is
great. And then sell the chips
that do it. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yeah. And this
soak the well, you won't be
soaking in investors. You'll be
soaking the public when you go
public. Anyway.
Adam Curry: Now, back to your
global warming beat be damned.
Anyway, yeah, there's
John C Dvorak: a good point.
Adam Curry: And here's the Nikki
Haley, hit the supercut.
Unknown: Not run as president
top right. I'm Nikki Haley, and
I'm running for president. I
will not, not now, not ever
support raising the gas tax.
Let's increase the gas tax by 10
cents over the next three years.
A huge issue that I'll deal
with, as soon as I get there is
social media. They need to
verify every single person on
their ballot, because and I want
it by name. I never said
government should go and require
any Wednesday. I think John has
been a really great friend of
ours. Yes, I view China as an
enemy. That was not what I
intended to say. I do not think
we need to pull money from the
UN. The UN, the only thing is we
would defund the UN as much as
possible.
When a job fulfilled child in
this country assigned female at
birth says actually, I feel more
comfortable living as a boy,
what should the law allow the
response to be?
Well, I think the law should
stay out of it. And I think
parents should handle it. I
think there should be federal
involved that you should not
have any gender altering
anything done to a child before
the age of 18.
Adam Curry: So I'm just gonna
defend Nikki Haley a bit here.
These are clips that are taken
out of context, really. And if
you're really honest, throw
overboard like she's a liar. Now
if you really listen to it, if
you really listen to how this
was cut, I mean, this is like
man on the street stuff. Don't
be fooled by this. Don't be
fooled by this. This this is
this is cut together to make
what you do make her looks worse
than she already is. Again, I
would never vote for her. If
she's if she would be Trump's.
If I was gonna vote for Trump
and she was the VP I wouldn't
vote for Trump. I agree with
that. That's bad idea. So
anyway, it's just it's your
we're being hoodwinked by the
Internet.
John C Dvorak: Well, that's the
whole idea. So
Adam Curry: oh, man, The
Washington Post ran a long
article on Sam Altman. And the
I'm surprised that they don't
realize themselves they are
hyping this guy up in exactly
the same way they did to Sam
bank, Ben freed. I mean, stuff
like how Sam Altman took over
Silicon Valley from powerful
friends to Oh, In AI, and they
say things like, you could drop
in him on an island of cannibals
and within five years you'd be
king. Phil, please. Yeah. And
like, you know,
John C Dvorak: who wrote this to
one of his PR people?
Adam Curry: Well, that's
interesting. Let me see if
there's a byline here. Garrett
petards, de Vink and cat
Zakrzewski reporting. Two
people, two people, yes.
John C Dvorak: How's it take two
people?
Adam Curry: There's, you know,
there's stuff in here like, you
know, I had a private meeting
with with Sam and he, you know,
he was on two phones at the same
time. He's very introverted. He
throws parties and then he has
like an internal clock. He knows
it's time to retreat to his
room. He's not a schmoozer here
to some Altman could be awkward,
even antisocial. Even when he
throws a party, he retreats into
his room pretty quickly. He has
a timer or social clock where he
needs to stop socializing said
investor, Lackey Leakey lucky
groom, a close friend. He's not
a schmoozer, another close
friend, investor, Keith Rob bois
recalled when he first met
Alban, he spent the first
Hangout glued to two different
phones. Oh, he's, he's so
introverted. He's so smart.
John C Dvorak: If you're
introvert, you're not on two
phones. Let me tell you right
now,
Adam Curry: I never met anyone
as smart as Sam said, Senate
Senator curse disease.
John C Dvorak: You're right.
This sounds exactly banksman
Fried. This is a curse in
cinema. You're sure you're
reading the right thing. They're
Adam Curry: different Sam. He's
an introvert and shy and humble.
And all of those are things that
are not normal for people on the
Hill, but he's very good at
forming relationships with
people on the Hill. And he can
help folks in government
understand AI he thought
John C Dvorak: he wasn't a
schmoozer.
Adam Curry: Hands up Oh, yes,
but this this was just the I
mean it was dripping with goo
this entire something's article.
Well, what's up is they're
hyping this they're just hyping
it Yeah. But
John C Dvorak: why what's going
on is another op. The stock
Adam Curry: market that's all
they got beat what they need a
story this it was Sam bank been
fried when it was blockchain.
This is what I keep telling you.
Quantum Computing, his next
pivot is coming oh, it's not
John C Dvorak: over. When the
next thing comes along, we'll
both be able to both have our
eye out for it. And when the
next big thing, which is always,
which is a Silicon Valley,
derisive term used for Silicon
Valley, the next big thing is
when he comes around, we'll
notice it probably within a week
or two of it happening. And then
we can point to it. But
Adam Curry: at this moment, I'm
still seeing. I see. I see
little green shoots of quantum
computing bullcrap. I see.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's I say
it's trying to survive.
Adam Curry: Then I have a
question here for you. To
lawmakers filed a bill requiring
creators of foundation models,
you know, foundation models are,
I guess, something more
important than MLMs to disclose
sources of training data, so
copyright holders know their
information was taken. Here's my
question. When I write
something, and I put it on the
internet, and I published it on
my blog, the minute I wrote
that, I have copyright on that
correct or not? In
John C Dvorak: under the new
law? Yes. And you don't even
have to declare it. It's
automatic. So
Adam Curry: by definition,
unless I've given my rights up
to let's say, x, because when I
post on X, I've already agreed
that they have a, an unlimited
license, anything I do forever,
then they can't use my training
data. Or my data for training
purposes of their foundation
models. Why? Because they're
going to, they're going to have
a bill requiring creators of
foundation models to disclose
sources of training data. So
copyright holders know that
information was taken.
John C Dvorak: Information
actually taken or just read by a
machine? Well, I mean, I read
your I read, for example, I'm
kind of on the other side of
this argument. Because I've
always been annoyed by the fact
that you're early on in the 70s.
And then into the 80s. People
were talking about all the great
things that can happen when all
the data's accumulate into some
giant library, all the books of
the world, and all the knowledge
can be accessed. And it became a
buzz phrase, yes. information at
your fingertips formation
superhighway. And it was the it
was the information superhighway
as part of that. And so the so
you had all this and then once
Google started scanning books,
everybody started squealing like
stuck pigs about it. I started
my bark, you know you're out of
print book. From 40 years ago
got scanned by Google and you're
upset about it because you're
going to lose money somehow
you're not going to make a
nickel anyway. And so I noticed
that there's this kind of, you
know, this back and forth and
whether this is good for society
or bad for society. I personally
think it's good for society that
everything gets scanned into
some giant database.
Adam Curry: Okay. All right.
Well, then, enjoy your AI. Your
chat GPT is dynamite and all
good.
John C Dvorak: I never said
anything. I never you what
you're doing is extrapolating a
simple comment by me into
something just got nothing to do
with anything. That's what I'm
not enjoying my chat. GPT I
don't even use it. I don't use
chat GBT.
Adam Curry: But I love people
who send me emails. Hey, man,
you have no idea how good it is
a coding? Yeah, you're you're a
script guy. You know, and I'm
sure but it's not going to
optimize the next, you know,
MacOS for the new chips. It's
not going to No, it
John C Dvorak: doesn't. JC who
works in this industry. And he's
an AI he says this is nonsense.
He says you still get better
code from Pakistan and they do
lousy coding. He says it's
cheaper and better to get the
real life coders and maybe they
AI can clean up some stuff that
might be or might optimize
something on the side, but it
can't write code from scratch.
No, good. I
Adam Curry: think your code is
going to be the same as it
writes English flowery in an
ever Yeah, over and done in an
ever expanding world where
podcasting. commissure blogger
who is you know, he has a career
now in this stuff. And he'll he
keeps saying, Oh, look, look
what a chat GPT for said about
podcasting. 2.0 I'm like, Well,
you know, a 12 year old could
have written that. The so what
bit pulls and I and whenever
it's from grok. I recognize the
tweets. It was like, Oh, this I
recognize that tweet that tweet
that tweet. I recognize because
if it's if it's about me, like
oh, look what grok said about
you. I put grok into funny mode.
grok is the worst kind because
it's it's AI that can't even do
humor. Right. So, anyway, people
John C Dvorak: will call me a
Luddite. You are a Luddite, to
say what you will.
Adam Curry: I'm not afraid to
use that
John C Dvorak: clip at the
beginning. I already do to get a
hold on you, my friend. I'm
gonna ham it up. I'm gonna ruin
it. Now. Just try it. One would
wonder I can't get word out
Adam Curry: and go go. You're a
Luddite. Nice. Okay. I will be
short not to use that. All
right. Okay,
John C Dvorak: I got some stuff
here that we need to talk about.
Okay, good. Well, first of all,
you know, I had to steal. First
Adam Curry: of all, thank you.
Thank you for joining me today
for our Christmas Eve. Yeah, we
could be doing lots of things.
If we work for CBS. People
shouldn't need to be reminded
that that that we're here we
are. We're warning you. We're
helping you or we're spinning
you down on Christmas Eve. I
should be drinking nog
John C Dvorak: dog. You
shouldn't be drinking. No dog. I
Adam Curry: want to be drinking
dog. Yeah, now
John C Dvorak: we're working
because it's important work.
Yes, it is. So I had this thing.
I'm bitching and moaning about
the Houthis. And why don't we
just do yes, satellites when we
just bomb bomb the Huth, where
they're sending these the
Houthis
Adam Curry: so I'm not I'm not
convinced that this is all us to
sell our our LPG our oil,
whatever. No, yeah, to sell it
to Europe.
John C Dvorak: There's actually
I agree with that. But this give
this guy a book writers on NTD.
And they're gonna discuss, they
introduce him. So you know his
name. The who's the discussion
about the weak response. And I
have these clips from Andy. And
I thought this guy had it
nailed. And he's got a nut kind
of a different angle. So here we
go.
Unknown: Thanks for joining me
here today, Lee Smith, the US
his response to the Houthi
attacks has been called a week
by some political and national
national security analysts.
What's your assessment of the US
response to attacks? And how do
you think this response will be
interpreted by Iran, which backs
the Houthis? Well,
I certainly I certainly agree
that it's been a very weak
response. And the main reason
for it, of course, is because
the Biden administration wants
to renew the nuclear deal with
Iran. And so the Biden
ministration is already
concerned that Israel is
attacking another Iranian asset,
Hamas in Gaza and so the idea
that the United States itself
would protect itself as well as
protecting protecting shipping
lanes. This is beyond the pale
Al, for the Biden
administration, because again,
the key foreign policy
initiative of the Biden
administration is to get back
into that nuclear deal. That was
the key foreign policy
initiative of Barack Obama. And
so Biden wants to get back into
it. Ha.
Adam Curry: Wow. Well, I just
want to remind us, that my buddy
Lex, Ben Holland, who is married
to an Iranian Fatima that the
jet and she visits regularly,
she's over there. And when we
saw her when we were in Holland,
when we went on our trip this
summer, and she always says
everybody in Iran knows that
America and Iran are always
working together. It's all a
show.
John C Dvorak: Well, there you
have it, I think that she might
be incorrectly let's go with
part two of this clip.
Unknown: And let me ask you
this, too. We know that Iran and
the Chinese Communist Party are
allies, right and work together
to undermine the US, is there a
role that the CCP could be
playing in this? Well,
I'm sure the CCP couldn't be
unhappy about this, that it has,
you know, that it's shaken the
world's confidence in the United
States is ability to predict
shipping lanes. And remember,
the United States has been doing
this, since since the end of
World War Two. This is one of
the most important things that
the United States does. And it's
important for the entire world,
or certainly for the free world
for, for Europe, for us and our
other allies. And the idea that
the Iranians through the Houthis
have shaken the world's
confidence since the United
States is not firing back that
weakens not only America's not
only America's prestige, right,
but it also is going to cost
other countries, it's going to
cost industries a lot more to
ship these goods around the
world.
Adam Curry: This is a scam. So
scam. Scam is so obvious.
John C Dvorak: And so in he goes
on and on, one would analyze
this, but I just took this last
piece, just write straight up
with a really interesting
assertion
Unknown: that we will not
protect the shipping lanes.
Because we have a, we have
another chief interest, which is
a nuclear deal with Iran that
guarantees Iran's nuclear
weapons program, it doesn't stop
it is very important. It doesn't
stop it rather, it makes it
legitimate. That's the point of
the nuclear deal. So the
message, the larger message that
the Biden administration is
sending to the world is you
think things are bad now, and
shipping lanes around the world,
wait until Iran, which backs the
Houthis get a nuclear bomb, then
everyone's gonna have to be
paying off the Iranians and
their allies to be able to ship
their goods across the world. So
it's an insanely destructive
message that the Biden
administration is sending to the
world.
Adam Curry: You know, the tip
off for me, which I didn't hear
a single view s media or I was
exposed, expecting at least a
BBC report on it, that the
French walked away from
Operation prosperity guardian.
They said Now we're not going to
participate in this. And I think
the Greek said, Screw you. We're
not going to be a part of this.
Now when why would the French
leave the French? Is it time to
break out the Freedom Fries
again? Why would the French
leave? I think is because of
total oil to like, Oh, you guys
are screwing us. Yeah, you're
John C Dvorak: true. Yeah. Yeah.
To call. It really is half of
France. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So this is this
makes no sense. Though, Tom
Hanks needs to do a movie your
dad wanted about Somali pirates.
So and this, this, this whole
thing? Then when are they going
to have the inks? What stinks
to? I haven't? What are they
gonna have that the nuclear bomb
two weeks is just around the
corner,
John C Dvorak: always going to
be two weeks around the corner,
I'm sure. Well, once they get
back on track, I'm sure to go a
little faster. But after having
Trump come in and disrupt
everything, that didn't help and
it's not going to help if Trump
gets back in office. This is not
to these schemes, these one
world government schemes away I
see him.
Adam Curry: I mean, now I'm also
thinking that a whole that whole
thing that Trump uncovered that
we're going to attack Iran,
that's probably a gambit to
Alright, now we're going to
pretend we're going to attack
you guys. We're gonna do
something over here and then
we'll do this and then
John C Dvorak: we'll actually
maybe that maybe that document
implies that it would be and
that's why it's secret. He
Adam Curry: probably buried that
with Ivana as well. is
John C Dvorak: in the cost of
the digger up digger up,
Adam Curry: digger up. Now
normally we have a veto on
playing this guy, but I think oh
no, yes, yeah, can
John C Dvorak: I guess who it
is?
Adam Curry: You already know,
you already know. Go ahead.
Okay,
John C Dvorak: go ahead. John
Kerry, of
Adam Curry: course it is you got
it. But but is John I have not.
You've been doing this. I know.
Well, because of the cop 28
You're
John C Dvorak: in clear
violation of the treaty? Well,
it's
Adam Curry: cop 28. So, you
know, I have a veto in the
Security Council in the in the
clip council. So we're summing
up cop 28. And the big news that
came out of cop 28 is we
actually Chad GBT use the line
transition away from fossil
fuels fuels. And then there's a
second part to it to reach a net
zero economy, which is code for
carbon credits, because net zero
doesn't mean that we're not
using fossil fuels. It means
that we are buying pieces of
Africa, then just call that a
carbon sink. Now, all that we
plant some trees, this kind of
stuff. But this was the bill.
This was this is fantastic. We
did our job. It took us 28 Cops
20 A cops and we finally did it.
I'm John Kerry. Now the beauty
of this is it's Christine.
Christiane Amanpour, who I'm now
convinced is so dumb. She has
that elitist vibe over her. And
for years, you know, he was
like, Oh, she's Christina.
Christiana. Paula. I'm
Christiane Allen. Pa my my poop
don't stink. Well, she's done.
President
Unknown: Biden's top climate
envoy John Kerry says only greed
can now get in the way of
combating climate change. Carrie
was right at the center of the
high stakes deal making a cop 28
in Dubai, where remarkably, all
195 nations agreed to transition
away from fossil fuels. Earlier
this week, he and I talked about
age activism, and how hard it
was to get to that agreement.
Adam Curry: First of all, the
whole notion that this was a big
deal to transition away from
fossil fuels. I mean, is this
not what they've been saying for
15 years? Well,
John C Dvorak: here's the other
aspect to this. They actually
want it and we had clips. I
don't know if we replayed them
from cop 28 where they didn't
want the wording was not
transition away was a bit. Yeah.
Exactly. And they and the guy
was the head one of the head
honchos and one of the big
Middle East oil companies was
running the show. And he managed
to change it from eliminate, to
transition away from which is
what they've kind of been doing,
you know, transition away, it
doesn't mean anything is
meaningless.
Adam Curry: That's what Elon
Musk has been helping with.
That's what it is. transition
away from fossil fuel. Okay.
Unknown: Secretary Kerry,
welcome back to the program.
There was a lot written about
how you were able to leverage if
that's the right way your
contacts with the Saudi with the
remember,
Adam Curry: isn't this in his
daughter married to like some
Iranian dude.
John C Dvorak: I can't remember
the relationship during that.
Yeah. But anyway,
Adam Curry: I'm John Kerry, I
did it all II with
Unknown: the Chinese officials
at I'll tell me just what it was
like in terms of personal
negotiation, getting them to
sign on the dotted line?
Well, it's really tough. I mean,
this is as tough as any
multilateral negotiation gets.
When you have economic interests
and different capacities,
different capabilities,
different amounts of money,
different cultures. And you
bring them all together in a
multilateral forum. I think
people who expect them to all of
a sudden, you know, terminate
what they're doing, are just not
operating on the reality of how
multilateral governance, it
works. It's the hardest kind of
all. And what happened in
Adam Curry: multilateral
governance, New World Order, is
the hardest of all, but I'm John
Kerry by
Unknown: is that 195 countries
actually came to a consensus,
any one of them could have
blocked any one country could
have walked away and said, No,
we're not doing this. They
didn't. They gathered together
and said, time for a transition
away from fossil fuels, with
acceleration in the 2020s
commensurate with that zero
2050. And in keeping with the
Paris Agreement, which means
keeping 1.5 degrees alive if
there's one thing which worries
me what is it what what worries
me now is greed and
procrastination and business as
usual, and people who just
aren't going to step up.
Adam Curry: This is a perfect
example of what you said, Ben,
yourself and your co op do the
health. The greed part. That's
you. That's you all those people
there. They're in it for the
greed. Ah, I can sell carbon
credits. Oh, we don't have to be
done until 2050. John Caron set
up an exchange. Yes, John Kerry
will be dead in 2050. Because
he's well into his 80s. Now, I
think or his ad. No, no, no, I
think so.
John C Dvorak: But let's check
it out.
Adam Curry: Doesn't matter.
Let's talk about Trump.
Unknown: If you're the envoy for
President Biden, what happens if
Biden doesn't get elected? And
the climate? You know, I don't
even know what to call him the
climate agreement. Pull her out
or
Adam Curry: the climate
agreement polar outer. That is
your elitist. Christiane
Amanpour. They're
John C Dvorak: actually at your
right.
Adam Curry: I don't even know
what to call Trump but a climate
agreement polar outer
John C Dvorak: is a polar outer.
No, and he's a polar outer. He's
a polar outer
Unknown: of the First Order
climate. You know, I don't even
know what to call him the
climate agreement, pull her out,
or Donald Trump. You know, after
2015 comes back,
let me tell you even why Donald
Trump is president united states
and he pulled out of the Paris
Agreement. 37 governors,
Republican and Democrat alike in
the States of America, all
continued to apply the Paris
Agreement, even while Donald
Trump was out of the agreement
with
Adam Curry: this is a lie. What
do you mean, we send money to
China, the Texas send money to
South America. That's the
agreement pulled her out, or
Unknown: 75% of the new
electricity, the United States
that came online came from
renewables. Now he probably
didn't know it, or he tried to
stop it. But that line is key
now. Nobody can stop this. Now
nobody economies of the world
had made this decision. I think
no one politician anywhere in
the world can undo the direction
the world is now. And
particularly
the young people who are really
there for it and won't allow me
to meet and quiet
Adam Curry: the young people are
not puller outers at all at all.
All right. Now since since the
after this. After this clip, I
want you to write this down.
January, December 24 2023. After
this clip, I will never play
John Kerry again. Tao
John C Dvorak: ball shet.
Because Oh crap, this this is
you think he's gonna die or
something? What do you what do
you got going on here? This
Adam Curry: is the end. He's
done his job. He has. He has
done what? He's retiring. He's
done. He's done. He's out. He
will no longer be around. He's
already talking about how great
he is. He'll tell his
grandchildren how great he are.
He's telling his grandchildren
how great he is. This is it.
It's a swan song. Sayanora you
just
Unknown: celebrated your 80th
birthday still going strong?
What line can you draw from that
from the young man who came back
and told his country that this
war is the wrong war? To today
to what you will tell your
grandchildren about what's been
achieved after this cop 28 What
will you tell them about their
future?
Well, there we can make a
difference that all of us there
being citizens and being active
and being engaged. We have that
freedom, that power to make a
difference. The struggle for us
a little bit now in the United
States and elsewhere is to make
sure that the truth is on the
table that we are ratifying
truth, not just information, but
bad ideology. And I think that,
you know, in so many ways, the
journey we traveled I wrote the
the title of my own biography
after I left his secretary is
every day is extra. That comes
from a saying that many of the
guys on my crew and many of the
people I grew there felt that
responsibility because we
survived and we came back
Adam Curry: way But wasn't he a
traitor? But why do I remember
he? Did he throw his metals in
the water or something
John C Dvorak: he threw, but it
was supposedly he was doing some
protest. I think anti war
protest Vietnam and he
supposedly threw his metals into
some, you know, burning heap.
Then somebody found out that he
bought some metals at a pawn
shop and through those and what
was was was a rumor it was a
Swift Boat thing.
Adam Curry: It was this that was
on any
John C Dvorak: Swift Boat where
he came I'm ready for duty. He
comes out at the at the
convention I'm ready for duty
salutes the crowd. And then he
has the Swift Boat in a Swift
Boat guys came out so he's full
of crap. This guy's a phony.
Yeah, he's a phony baloney this
guy. He's always been
Adam Curry: Yeah. But now he's
talking about his crew, my crew,
a two Live Crew. What are you a
hip hop guy now? That
Unknown: comes from a saying And
then many of the guys on my crew
crew, the people I knew there I
run with some bad dudes, sir.
Felt that response, because we
survived and we came back. And
so you treat every day as extra.
And when you say to me, you
know, I'm 80 years old and I
don't think about age, honestly,
I don't. The other day I said to
my friends, when we were
gathered, I said, you know, at
80, I can do everything I used
to do when I was 50. But I don't
remember what it is.
It's not true, by the
John C Dvorak: way, oh, no,
really,
Adam Curry: I guess. I
Unknown: must really tick you
off all this stuff about Biden
and his age. It does.
I think that sort of in ages,
and he's done a brilliant job. I
think it's really, you know,
he's been able to galvanize
people around critical values
that are at stake in Ukraine
critical values. I don't know
what has happened to a lot of
people who back away from that
now, because the cost of nine
ones varying, would be just
extraordinary for the world. And
I think he knows how the
congress works. He knows
America, and he also knows how
the world works. And that's what
you need today. So thank you
very much. Thank you. Goodbye,
Adam Curry: John Kerry. banned
forever.
John C Dvorak: So you are
putting this date down as this
Ms. 2023 as a swan song,
Adam Curry: he's done. He's out.
Dez
John C Dvorak: bull crap.
There's no way guy like this
out.
Adam Curry: He's done. He's
done. He's no, he's done. He's
done on the show.
John C Dvorak: There will be no
more clips of Joe iring. About
that. Well, then I'm gonna bring
clips, he might, he might
Adam Curry: as well be dead to
us. He's dead to me. He's dead
to me. Now, I will say the one
thing that I was absolutely
right on was this. In the start
in the EU, then we then I said,
you watch this is a thing. And
it is indeed, it's the green
Hydrogen. Hydrogen is all about
now. We're moving away from wind
and solar. Because that's no
good. It's all about the
hydrogen and
Unknown: hydrogen producers
could soon be eligible for
billions of dollars in tax
credits through the inflation
protection act. The Biden
administration today released
his proposal to boost the
hydrogen industry as a cleaner
alternative to fossil fuels.
Under the proposal cleaner
energy projects would get the
most tax credits. Those that use
fossil fuels to produce hydrogen
would still get them but in
smaller amounts, hydrogen
production credit could deliver
$140 billion in revenue and
700,000 jobs by the year 2030.
Adam Curry: Sure. How's that
hydrogen working for you?
John C Dvorak: Climate is this
climate change mini clip?
Adam Curry: Shall we have a
listen?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's 50
Unknown: Plus Architecture,
Landscape Architecture and
Design officers have
participated in this exhibition,
they've come together to
creatively design an entire
city, which is edible.
And edible city.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's
right. They were gonna do that.
Adam Curry: Where was that?
Where was that from? That's
hilarious.
John C Dvorak: This story was
about a bye about climate
change. But they decided they're
going to do a green gingerbread
city designed by the world's top
architects. And so they designed
this thing and it was turned out
to be edit where I thought just
as sub clip itself was funny,
where Sir Mark
Adam Curry: and de mastered when
we're designing a gingerbread
city, those guys could do it.
They could
John C Dvorak: do it. And they
were they're going to be
involved in today's day mastery,
for sure. On today's donations,
contributed money to us. She's
still listens.
Adam Curry: Are you doing a show
on Tuesday with the Horowitz? Of
course. Well,
John C Dvorak: could I it's
after Christmas. He doesn't care
about credit. I mean, he's
Jewish. And so the joke is, I
always like to chide him about
it. He totally can. He totally
confirms this. Most Jews go and
eat Chinese dinners. Chinese you
know, Christmas is like a
tradition that's which means
that they observe Christmas or
they wouldn't have a tradition
around Christmas. And he has no
problem saying Merry Christmas.
No, of
Adam Curry: course not. You know
what, I love him because he's,
he's one of those Jews who loves
cooking up lobsters. He's
boasting about it all the time.
Just like
John C Dvorak: you know, it's
obvious. He's a good cook. He
knows how to cook only he's a
little bit nuts about his way.
Adam Curry: He goes out of
control.
John C Dvorak: He's out of
control. He could he'll cook for
25 people, nobody in their right
mind. Who knows how to cook
well, will cook for 25 people.
It's just too much work. It's
ridiculous. You get a caterer
and have them do it. You Just
don't do it, but he'll do it.
Adam Curry: Yeah, about I love
Andrew and NGL. They're there.
There's some very fine people.
John C Dvorak: They're very
fine, very fine people.
Adam Curry: But I have a
question about how this will
work. Because what the new
president Millay of Argentina
said he would do, he has done he
repaired the payee repack the
peso, the peso has been pegged.
And it's not it's been he
promised it will be bad but as
bad economic
Unknown: shock treatment is the
only solution. According to the
New Argentinian president. In a
televised address, have you
Malay said he would repeal more
than 300 laws in a bid to reboot
the country struggling economy,
and
earlier today, I've signed a
decree of necessity and urgency
to begin to unblock the
oppressive legal and
institutional framework this
destroyed our country on base.
Among the announcements made on
Wednesday, are a form of labor
law, the scrapping of a law
regulating rents and the
elimination of rules preventing
the privatization of state
enterprises. But before the
measures can take effect, they
must first be assessed by joint
committee of lawmakers from both
chambers, they'll and Malaise
far right party only has 40
seats in the 257 member lower
house and seven senators out of
72. Fearing street protests, the
government threatened to take
away demonstrators social
welfare benefits, which didn't
stop these Argentinians marching
in Buenos Aires on Wednesday, so
you're
not convenient, let them take
our freedom. It costs too much.
taking people off buses asking
for documents and banning
protests going back to the
dictatorship back because there
were those who voted for Malay
want.
On Monday, Argentina's Minister
for Human Capital issued a
warning via social media.
Those blocking streets won't be
paid. The
move to discourage protests was
declared unconstitutional by
opposition MPs. In Argentina,
wanting to citizens receive aid
from the state or an
organization.
Adam Curry: Okay, so I should
mention DHS unplugged every
Tuesday. It's an hour long
casual conversation between
money manager Andrew Horowitz
and calmness, Jhansi Dvorak. And
so my question is, how does this
mechanism work? When you want to
stop rampid inflation view then
repaired, everything becomes 30
to 50%. More expensive
overnight, half the people from
the report depend on government
handouts. I mean, what's the
mechanism? This is not the first
time this has been done? How
does it work? What is I mean,
does it last two months, two
years? How does it work? But how
is this going to help everybody
in the end? It
John C Dvorak: stops inflation
pretty quickly. This was done in
Brazil. This has been done in
Argentina, I think a couple of
times. And once you read Peg,
Yeah, it goes everything goes
up. It seems to go up 30%. But
it's been going up 15 or 20% a
month. Anyway. Yeah. So if it
goes up 30% once and then stops
going up. That seems to be a
benefit. Yeah, okay, things are
gonna be a little more expensive
for the short term. Brazilians
did it. They took in, they had
these different. I was first
time I went to Brazil, I went
during the period of
hyperinflation. And I still have
a couple of bills. The cruzeiro
is beer bill and they have one
that's 500,000. And it was worth
they originally was worth like
about $1. And then it became
worth less and less and less
than they used as got rid of it
completely. They had two
different versions of it. They
got rid of it and brought in
something called the rial
meaning, which means real, and
it was pegged to the dollar one
to one. And it pretty much
stopped inflation. And one of
the things I think that caused
inflation to stop dead is what
Milton Friedman's, we had a
clip, we played it, where he
discusses something in one one
of the states during the Civil
War where they're having this
inflation problem, and they just
stop printing money, and the
inflation stopped. It was just
that simple in that easy. And
that's exactly what this amounts
to. Here
Adam Curry: is here's the clip.
I believe this one you referring
to 40 years ago on inflation's
cause is that would that be the
clip to be
Unknown: in the modern era? The
important next step is to
recognize that today,
governments control the quantity
of money. So that as a result,
inflation in the United States
is made in Washington and
nowhere else. Of course, no
government any more than any one
of us like to take
responsibility for bad things.
We're all of us human, if
something bad happens in one
wasn't our fault.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I don't think
this is a clip but I want to
play it out. Yeah,
Unknown: playing the government
is the same way. So it doesn't
accept responsibility for
inflation. If you listen to
people in Washington and talk,
they will tell you that
inflation is produced by greedy
businessmen. Or it's produced by
grasping unions, or it's
produced by spendthrift
consumers. Or maybe it's those
terrible Arab sheiks who are
producing those guys. Now, of
course, businessmen are greedy.
Who of us isn't? Trade Unions
are grasping who of us isn't.
And there's no doubt that the
consumer is a spendthrift. At
least every man knows that about
his wife. But none of them
produce inflation. For the very
simple reason that neither the
businessman nor the trade union,
nor the white housewife has a
printing press in their basement
on which they can turn out those
green pieces of paper, we call
them money. Only Washington has
that printing press, and
therefore only Washington can
produce inflation.
Adam Curry: So what do we do
with our rampant inflation in
the United States, where our
debt payments on the almost $34
trillion is now 1.7 trillion?
Which is more than we give to
the military industrial complex?
Can we pegged ourselves to our
own dollar
John C Dvorak: before we tend to
do that? Yeah, to pay off the
debt with paper money. How do
Adam Curry: we do that? What do
we do we just devalue the
dollar? It never happens. No, so
we don't tend to do that is what
you're saying? Well, it's
John C Dvorak: always on the
table.
Adam Curry: There the results of
this Oregon let inflation
John C Dvorak: go nuts if it
goes up like crazy, like it did
in the 70s. It takes us that for
a while. Well,
Adam Curry: it seems to me if
you look at the the lay of the
land, because now with the
effectively the whole Suez
Canal, read, read, see the whole
thing, you know, all the way
down to the Gulf of Aden, where
we know the Stargate is, yeah,
John C Dvorak: you know what
comes through that Stargate?
Yes. Fish?
Adam Curry: Yes. Only when it's
open. Then the fish come out.
Already we're hearing all supply
chain supply chain, which I
think could be could be used to
blame inflation. Yeah, code.
Yeah. Yeah. If all it all it's
the Houthis the Houthi price
hike. So the answer, which we've
been discussing for a long time
is universal basic income. And
PBS News Hour had John Yang. I
mean, Michael Tubbs is he? I
think he's the mayor of Stockton
because this is this has been
one of those experiments in
Stockton, where they get give
people money as it they don't
call them call it universal
basic income income. They call
it something else. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: giving people
money. It's called
Adam Curry: giving people money.
But the people are getting
serious about this. You want to
hear some clips of
John C Dvorak: this? Yes, I
would like to hear so. It's not
Unknown: a new idea. No Strings
Attached payments to provide
people with a financial floor
what's called a guaranteed basic
income. It actually dates back
to 16th century England. Today,
it's been tested in dozens of
pilot programs.
Adam Curry: Is there any
evidence of that? Did they use
it in the 1500s. In England,
they gave people universal basic
income. I'm
John C Dvorak: sure there was
some sort of giveaway going on
and it back in the day that has
been misinterpreted as such.
Unknown: Okay, it's across the
country think probably in cities
as big as Baltimore and as small
as Yellow Springs, Ohio
population about 3700. Some of
them use taxpayer funds. Others
use private contributions or
foundation grants. Stockton,
California was among the first
to launch a pilot program in
2019. Earlier I spoke with
Stockton, his mayor at the time,
Michael Tubbs. He's also founder
of a group called mayor's for a
guaranteed income. I asked him
about the genesis of Stockton
Spro gram guaranteed
Adam Curry: income there it is
yet the
Unknown: crux of all the issues
from homelessness to crime to
education was this persistent
poverty and economic insecurity.
So I my first 100 days, I
gathered my team in the office
and I said, you guys, I want our
legacy to be an anti poverty, a
pro Economic Security
Administration. So let's come up
with all the ideas for how can
we as a government ensure that
people have enough to live and
survive and eventually thrive?
And through that my team came
back with this idea of a
guaranteed income citing work
that was happening in places
like Kenya and in Mexico and
Brazil, that had heard of
guaranteed income from studying
Dr. King in college. So I was
familiar with the idea so I said
Well, let's do
Adam Curry: it. I love that
we're now on the level of Kenya.
In Brazil. Yeah, that's that's
getting pretty bad. And there's,
I think this is possibly a plan
for Democrats for 2024. And,
honestly, you know, everyone
pays attention when Oh, you're
gonna give me money that no
strings attached, you know, and
this will
John C Dvorak: be this is a
classic potential Democrat
promise to the black community.
Yes. Which they never deliver
on. And they should all remember
that, that, that welfare reform,
which was throwing a lot of
money into that, in that
direction was kit was was
promoted and implemented by Bill
Clinton and other democratic
Pull, pull all that money back.
But yeah, it looks like a
promise this is not going to
happen.
Adam Curry: Did you say black
short term you say bluntness, or
do you say black community?
John C Dvorak: I said black
community Manjusha.
Adam Curry: Alright, so let's
find out what did he
John C Dvorak: say the black
voter there you got tends to
vote Democrat go. And
Unknown: as I understand it, the
program ran for two years, you
had 125 participants from
neighborhoods where the median
income was at or below the
city's median, which I think was
about $46,000. They got $500 a
month for two years. What did
you find?
Adam Curry: This is, by the way,
$46,000. I mean, I know people
in New York City who make less
than that, so people would pay
attention, oh, I'd be eligible
for something like this. So
Unknown: many people said the
money would be spent on drugs
and alcohol, that people would
stop working, or that people
would use that money to commit
crimes, etc. And what we saw was
that people spend money the way
you and I and the viewer spend
money, we saw them be two times
less likely to be unemployed. We
saw them spend the money on
things like utilities and
necessities on food and other
children. But we also saw health
impacts, we saw those with a
guaranteed income saw their
stress decrease just a small
amount of money was enough, not
for people to become
millionaires, or for people not
to be evicted for people that
take care of their children, for
people to be able to pay to get
their car fixed for people to
live and contribute to their
communities.
Adam Curry: Sounds like this was
a raging success. No one bought
drugs. I mean, is that how they
use the money? So
Unknown: everything you just
said it's sort of contradicts or
counters what the critics say,
because the critics say that
this takes away the incentive to
work, that this will foster bad
spending decisions. But it
sounds like that that's not what
you found in Stockton. That's
not what we found in Stockton,
increasingly, from any of the
dozens of pilots happening
across this country in this
world consistently, which
suggests to me, John, that part
of the issue is not just a data
issue, but a storytelling issue
that we have to get people to
see the myths, the lies, the
prejudices, the stereotypes and
biases we have against people
who may have less money
Adam Curry: yet, let's go to the
myths and the lies. Because this
guy thinks that Social Security
is just like a like a thing that
the government is just nicely
giving to people skips the whole
point of you pay into Social
Security your entire life. I
think he's setting us up for a
me now, there's not going to be
any social security because that
money as you've pointed out,
John, is gone. It's been used,
stolen, stolen, stolen,
John C Dvorak: so stolen.
Adam Curry: So you know, there's
some local tax and give people
money from that. Do
Unknown: you see guaranteed
income programs, supplementing
government assistance programs,
or replacing government
assistance programs?
I see as a supplemental I see it
really as an extension of the
social safety net, I see it as
as our 21st century, um, Social
Security. In the Great
Depression, we decide that folks
who are older, deserve to have a
little bit of cushion post 65
Because they've done so much for
our communities. And also think
because
Adam Curry: they've done so much
for our communities. No, because
they paid that money in, you're
supposed to steward it, man, you
didn't you stole it.
Unknown: And also think our
current government programs
should take note about what
makes guaranteed income works
because hey, it's the money. But
be it's also the trust, that
maybe people don't need to do a
bunch of paperwork. Maybe folks
don't need someone to sit down
and make them come in and set
goals. Maybe a lot of folks just
need cash. And maybe that will
make some of the investments
we're making as a government
that much more efficient.
Adam Curry: He did banking on
people not noticing this. He's
gone, man. I'm sorry. It's just
gone. Where are we going? This
is the final clip. Where are we
going to get the money from
Unknown: these programs, the
pilot programs, some of them use
government money. Some of them
use private donations, some of
them use grant money from
foundations. If you were able to
make this permanent across the
country, how do you think it