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John C Dvorak: I'm gonna turn
into a TV network.
Unknown: Adam curry Jhansi
Devora January 14 2020
Adam Curry: for the seal board
when he came on he media
assassination episode 1645. This
Unknown: is no agenda, tracking
the Dream Team and
Adam Curry: broadcasting live
from the heart of Texas Hill
Country here. Reason number six
in the morning, everybody. I'm
Adam curry
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we're
wondering why anybody cares that
much about Iowa. I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Buzzkill. Well, it's
record cold in Iowa. That's why
everyone cares. record cold
everywhere record cold in Texas.
It's 22 degrees in the hill
country.
John C Dvorak: Is it what it is
there right now? Yeah, and you
Adam Curry: know, such a scam.
So this cold front Yeah,
everyone knew the cold front was
coming. And immediately we get
this. This warning freezing rain
freezing rain Sunday, Sunday
night freezing rain, it's gonna
be horrible. Oh, everything's
gonna break you'll be without
power freezing rain. And I'm
looking at the Aviation Weather
which 24 hours ahead you can get
a pretty good idea but even now
I'm still checking the terminal
area forecast. The May two
arguments is what pilots you
know, their life depends on it.
And those are passengers and
there's just no rain no
precipitation predicted but
John C Dvorak: but well that's a
far cry from freezing rain well,
but
Adam Curry: in anticipation of
this ERCOT you know, we're all
the old Enron people went to go
scam everybody ERCOT immediately
jacked up the per megawatt price
our of gas turbines to 400
bucks. So it's a money making
scam. And then all people can do
is say, Oh, the Texas grids. No,
good. We have a great grid. It's
just they don't turn on any
other power systems. In fact,
last night, so we're
unincorporated. We're out here
we have we don't have any city
services. We're right on the
edge of the city. We have no
city services. So nothing else
is arranged. You know, we get
our we have our own propane. We
have electricity from from like
garbage pickup. No, no, we have
we have a private service that
picks it up. Gillespie Waste
Services. Yeah. Hey, let's be
literally these guys. You can
call me say hey, I got a really
heavy rolled up carpet and no
problem we can. These are great
guys. Or if I if I missed the
pickup, it's happened. You know?
Oh, crap. I forgot to put it out
Monday morning. I can text them
they'll come right back or at
the end of the day. Commercial
servers. You guys are great.
Anyway, turns out but here's
what happened last night, we get
a text was on the group text.
And Larry and Jeanne who live in
Fredericksburg. And they're a
little bit older. They're I
think, in their 60s, late 60s,
maybe 70. Still very active. Got
business, but she had a bad fall
a week ago. So she's kind of you
know, a little bit bedridden.
Larry gets the flu. And then
when it's going down to 19
degrees and the city, apparently
they have I think it's they have
a nest, the city limited their
heat to 70 degrees
automatically. So I'm running
over with space heaters for
them. But this is this is crazy.
You know that? Oh, we have to
conserve gas future. Sadly, it's
the future. Yeah, you're right.
John C Dvorak: Your temperature
is a little higher. We're going
to turn it down from here from
Central. We're also going to
take Central $100 out of your
bank account, if you don't mind.
That's right.
Adam Curry: For your carbon
credits. Your offset? I have
other friends. And they they
live in Wimberley and they have
city water Wimberly is small as
you know, it's maybe 3000 People
sounds small is very small. Yep.
Paul Simon lives there is small,
small,
John C Dvorak: he does say hi.
You
Adam Curry: know, he I don't
know if he's kind of in the
community. I think he and Edie
keeps themselves
John C Dvorak: go over there and
say hi. All right to be in the
biz. He hates me. Oh, well,
nevermind. And
Adam Curry: I know because of
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
dinners. I go Hey, say Hey,
Paul. And he say I hate you.
Because you know, he's 414 said
I hate you. Yeah, with a wink.
But he's four foot five. You
know, it's very awkward to me to
say. He's like, Yeah,
John C Dvorak: he has to yell at
you just
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Hey,
I hate you. Get in line. Anyway,
so our friends there, they knew
they have her parents live there
and they have they have a
daughter and sometimes their
sisters were there and you know,
so they have more people in
their in the previous residence
when they bought the place. And
they've got the water company
calling saying you're using a
lot more water. Well, yeah,
there's more people living here.
We need you to we need you to
use less water. What the I mean,
don't I pay the bill? Yeah, but
we need you to use it and they
they're constantly calling and
harassing. That's the future.
You're right. Yeah. It's not
good.
John C Dvorak: No,
Adam Curry: you don't want it
not a good development. Well,
speaking of not good. A new fat
leonard. You thought fat landed
was bad. We've got an update. We
have something new.
Unknown: New at 10. A San
Antonio a woman is indicted
after she allegedly stole more
than $100 million in army funds
from Fort Sam Houston. A federal
grand jury returned the
indictment today. Janet Yamanaka
Melo reportedly stole the funds
while working as a civilian
financial program manager at the
post. The indictment says she
used the money to buy millions
of dollars worth of jewelry,
clothing, vehicles and real
estate. She's charged with 10
counts of fraud and faces up to
20 years for each charge.
Adam Curry: Audit the Pentagon
people this is ridiculous.
John C Dvorak: That is I didn't
know the story. That is
ludicrous. 100 million to
Christmas, somebody could steal
$100 million right from under
the Army's nose. It should have
been spotty when she was up to
10 million.
Adam Curry: Well, that's just
the tip of the iceberg. Okay, of
course, you
John C Dvorak: know, we're sure
it is I'm sure there's billions
being still well, there's this.
Tonight
Unknown: it's a critical moment
for us supporting the war, a new
report accusing us officials of
failing to account for more than
half of the sophisticated
weapons supply to Ukraine. In a
sample that was under review.
The Defense Department's
inspector general investigating
whether nearly 40,000 items such
as Stinger balls and nightvision
Adam Curry: Oh, nice NAT POP.
Did you hear that that was
great. The Defense
Unknown: Department's inspector
general investigating whether
nearly 40,000 items such as
Stinger missiles and night
vision sets were properly
tracked just before and in the
months after Russia invaded. The
report found that more than a
billion dollars worth of 1.7
billion in military items under
scrutiny were delinquent or not
properly accounted for. But the
reports finding no evidence that
any US military aid to Ukraine
has been misused or stolen. At
this
time, there remains no credible
evidence of illicit diversion of
us provided no evidence.
Adam Curry: At this time, no
evidence
Unknown: it comes with Congress
still not agreeing on continuing
to support Ukraine. Now these
frontline troops are running low
on ammunition. Well, you can
really feel the force of this
American gun. But these
Ukrainian artillery units are
now having to limit the amount
they fight because of the
scarcity of ammunition. The unit
showing us their stock of just
20 shells, they had around 200 a
day, just a few months ago. And
David a top US defense official
reacting to that report saying
the accounting procedures for
weaponry sent here are quote not
practical in a hostile dynamic,
wartime environment. Dude is not
practical.
Adam Curry: The accountants
don't like it. It's not
practical to count. And why why
is this ABC and why do we have a
Brit doing this? This is this is
always baffling to me. Was
button us so but there's not
always bothered you? Yeah,
little bit. So there's there's a
sales job underway for the
military industrial complex.
Pick this up from Deutsche Bella
and yes, in this case it is
Deutsche Bella I made a mistake
on the last show.
Unknown: Marina Meuron is a
defense analyst with King's
College London if you could just
help us understand what's
actually taking place in the
sky. Ukrainian officials said
just eight out of 40 missiles in
this latest barrage were
actually shot down. They see
others were disabled using
electronic warfare. What does
all that mean? Well,
first of all the missiles that
were shut down, they were shut
down by the air defenses but we
see that Ukraine is lacking air
defenses and as far as
electronic warfare is concerned,
it's a Russian speciality.
Actually, it is basically
operations in the
electromagnetic spectrum where a
system would send out a signal
in order to confuse missiles so
to prevent the missile from
detecting the target, sending
wrong measurements to it. It's
also used to suppress radars
too. jamb GPS signals. And this
goes also for drones for
instance, as well. So these are
these kinds of systems that the
Ukrainians have been asking for
in the United States, but this
is sensitive technology. So
Ukraine has to work with what it
has in order to try to jam
Russian missiles and to prevent
them from reaching as a target.
And
just briefly, this new
technology is Ukraine trying to
develop its own, while waste for
American and other supplies. The
Ukrainians
have captured some electronic
warfare systems from the
Russians and handing them to
NATO in order to study but I'm
sure that they kept some parts
open, which they can work
because Western allies cannot
export this technology to
Ukraine. So Ukraine is on its
own when it comes to the
development of electronic
warfare systems able to jam,
Russian radars and Russian
missiles.
Adam Curry: Yeah, all right.
Kings Cross college good sales
job, lady. We need to we need an
order of those missile confusing
things. Like giant magnet in the
sky or something.
John C Dvorak: Says bogus. Well,
Adam Curry: of course, they're
not getting any money from us
just yet. But the UK just
pledged 2.5 billion pounds. What
is that? almost $3 billion. I'm
just guessing a little less
around
John C Dvorak: there and bucks.
25 cents and 25% Higher. And
Adam Curry: then Rishi, Rishi
Sunak went over to Kyiv. And,
and announced the deal and I
have a little clip of him
standing there in Parliament.
And Volodymyr was there and
everybody's all jacked and all
happy presidents
Unknown: Lenski, you are an
inspiration. And a lot of it I'm
proud to call you a friend John
F. Kennedy once said of the
great Winston Churchill, he
mobilized the English language
and sent it into battle. Well,
Vladimir, you have done the
same. And English isn't even
your first language. No leader
this century has done more to
unite liberal democracies in the
defense of our values. So let me
say to you on behalf of
everyone, thank you. Thank
Adam Curry: you. Very good. How
about that? He's comparing him
to Winston Churchill and himself
to himself to JFK, which is even
even funnier, even weirder. So
he went on for the whole, you
know, like a whole session like
we're gonna win, you're gonna do
it for us go Volodymyr. And I
can already tell you who's gonna
gobble up that money. Because
there was a very interesting
move made by BlackRock. And
Blackrock bought gap, which I I
didn't know a gap was global
infrastructure partners. They
bought it and I didn't know that
Blackrock bought companies. I
thought they only took shares
and companies of every company.
So now they bought this company,
$12.5 billion. And I think that
they're just sitting there
waiting for this billion or
whatever billion the US Congress
will approve, to gobble it up.
Here's Larry Fink, the Finster,
the CEO,
Unknown: we believe
infrastructure is only at the
beginning of a real major asset
class. There are some structural
demands that are going to
increase the issuance of more
and more infrastructure. I've
said for all along and Bloomberg
has been talking about it for a
number of years, deficits
matter, it's gonna be a harder
and harder for countries to
continue to deficit finance. And
at the same time, there's a
giant need to rebuild and build
out infrastructure, whether it
is the digital infrastructure,
as we are all trying to become
more engaged with AI and other
forms of urbanization process,
more and more countries are more
interested than ever before and
energy independence. And one of
the ways in countries that do
not have available hydrocarbons,
they're going to be doing it
through through wind and solar,
maybe other forms of of
decarbonisation. And when you
think about BlackRock and the
roles, we play with many
governments, our continuous
ownership and stock and bonds of
every major corporation in the
world, more and more companies
are coming to us. And over the
last few years, we did build up
a very large and really
successful infrastructure teams.
He's not bashful.
Adam Curry: More infrastructure
is going to be needed the
infrastructure
John C Dvorak: asset class that
was interesting unifies
beautiful arrays. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, that means
that you can, I guess you can
commodities and
John C Dvorak: gouge you can get
the infrastructure You'd get the
sewer system and then overcharge
everybody. Yeah, yeah. So it's
got to be about gouging. What
else would he do? That's what
his that's what they do.
Adam Curry: Yeah, season of
unveiling. There you go. There D
cloaking. Hey, we have we have
shares in every every big
company in the world or company,
we own your water company. Yeah,
we own that and what airports
because these guys build
airports, I think gap built
Gatwick and so they'll probably
build a nice new airport in
Ukraine.
John C Dvorak: And that's nice.
They are in Canada just
overcharged for the landing fees
Adam Curry: or so I mean, the
globalization is the Rafal
isation is almost complete. It's
no, it's not even the landing
fees. It's the retail retails
where you make the money, retail
parking. It's and they also do
fiber optics. So they'll be
wiring up, Ukraine and Ukraine
will be great for data centers.
You can see it coming. That 300
million from Russia is going to
be a joke compared to what these
guys are going to scoop up.
John C Dvorak: Keep it all. But
that's a good start.
Adam Curry: Have you seen any
more ces CES coverage?
John C Dvorak: No, I checked, I
ignored all the CES coverage as
your last show. Was the latest?
It just seemed pretty dialed in.
Adam Curry: It's so dull. And
people have they just have no
ideas, you know, outside of the
so who pointed that out that?
You know the fridge that detects
your tomato freshness? And gives
you recipes? I think and I
wanted to ask you about this.
Should you even have tomatoes in
your fridge? Yeah, you want to
put tomatoes? You want to put
them in the fridge? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: How about me? You
can leave them out if you want
them to ripen a little more.
Yeah, but don't they'll rot
pretty quickly. If you're if
they're left out.
Adam Curry: How are you with
eggs? Are you fridge eggs guy or
not in the fridge? Well,
John C Dvorak: the Mimi's the
expert on this. And I'll tell
you what she says because
Adam Curry: this comes from too
many eggs.
John C Dvorak: Too many eggs.com
is the book that in which you
get at least a free copy of
better hurry. Eggs when they're
laid, and they have a coating on
them. Pretty impervious to any
problems once they're in so you
can keep them on the
refrigerator. Just a pile until
you wash them. Right. Well
washing them as one but also
when you're refrigerate them the
first time they have to stay
refrigerated after that.
Adam Curry: Oh, once you once
you go you can't go back.
Unknown: Yeah, right. All right.
Adam Curry: And something I get
from the HEB. I should probably
just refrigerate that because
that's probably going to
John C Dvorak: be yes. been
refrigerated already. Yeah. All
right. Anyway, so that's why
most refrigerators have a little
egg area where you can put a yes
Adam Curry: egg thing. So
everyone's out of ideas.
Everything is AI has the Sony
guy had an Eevee drive out on
stage that he supposedly was
controlling with a with a
PlayStation handset. Okay. Okay.
I mean, and
John C Dvorak: yes, this is too
funny that these demos, because
most of them are fake, of
course.
Adam Curry: So the Siemens CEO,
this was interesting. For
Siemens, I learned it's ximines,
Siemens, Siemens from Deutsche
Avella. So the Zeeman CEO, had a
keynote coup, who would have
expected that, you know, as far
as I know, Siemens does. Well, I
thought maybe washing machines,
you know, wow, you'll have a
cool washing machine.
John C Dvorak: They do pretty
much everything electronics,
somebody
Adam Curry: sent me a graph they
have. It wasn't as Siemens it
was their washing machine and
it's connected. And it had
transferred 10 gigabytes of data
in one month. Is what is it
doing? Is it hosting movies?
John C Dvorak: Maybe it's doing
some processing and one of those
one of those mesh nets
Adam Curry: is mining Bitcoin.
John C Dvorak: There you go.
Mining Bitcoin or doing SETI,
Adam Curry: you don't need
bandwidth, really, for the
Bitcoins, is the punch line. But
what is the washing machine
doing? That it's transferring 10
gigabytes, I'd really like to
know
John C Dvorak: it's not stealing
movies from the internet is it's
got to be like a Tor server. So
would you like to see a movie
while you do your laundry?
Adam Curry: So the Siemens guy
comes on stage. Now he's
probably my age, but 60 bald,
balding, so not completely bald
because I do not like Bezos cool
ball but just bald, and he's
wearing blue jeans, white t
shirt black leather jacket. Well
brother like a Steve Jobs mode.
I'm like you're the Siemens guy.
And here's the big unveiling.
2024
Unknown: is a turning point.
Today, we can build and use
technology faster than ever.
Class, we can combine the real
and the digital goals. And
here's what I mean. You need
highly trained engineers to
build and run things in the real
world. Infrastructure,
manufacturing, transportation,
you name it. design cycles take
years. deploying your tech in
the real world is expensive. And
mistakes cost billions,
sometimes even lives. But this
is changing. The change has a
name. The industrial Metaverse
is generating AI, and industrial
Metaverse building and using
technology is becoming easier
and faster, a lot easier. And a
lot faster. Pass fast we will be
able to accelerate innovation,
accelerate sustainability, yes
and accelerate access to new
tech. Tonight, I will share my
vision for how AI and industrial
Metaverse will redefine reality
and transform the way we live
work move on make. So
Adam Curry: you're going to be
able to sit at home you won't
have to come to work. So
John C Dvorak: it's like I'm
listening to Hogan's Heroes by
the way.
Adam Curry: The industrial
Metaverse did he not get the
memo that the metaverse is is
out. They still he missed out
somehow and he throws in
generative AI. Okay, that's you
so you're gonna sit at home and
and you have your day that glove
on ha man, I still have my
Nintendo data glove. Maybe I can
be able to use that in the
future to get your data glove.
And you'll be putting together
parts on the assembly line. And
you'll and everyone will be able
to code. He saw it. He
John C Dvorak: said that later.
Sure. Oh, yeah. You just you're
just everybody wants to coach?
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you
know, it'll be business
applications. Hey, I need to I
need to send them I need to send
something to a mailing list. And
you can code it up. And this is
the tech bubble is is expanding.
Except for maybe? Well,
actually, yes. X. Linda yakka.
Reno, who is Elon CEO, she, she
gave everybody an update, not an
audio or video. Unfortunately,
she gave everybody an update
about what she calls X the X
everything app. Here we go.
Whoa, there you go exactly as we
predicted. Let me read because
it gave us some interesting
insights. She says this week, we
made it clear the everything app
is closer than everyone thinks.
Nothing can slow us down. X is
part of a constellation of
companies working for the
betterment of humanity of
humanity. We're moving fast for
our community's creators and
businesses big themes for x this
year, freedom of speech, a new
video ecosystem, and the power
of AI. It's all coming to life
in plain sight. And in real
time. Here's what we discussed
this week. X is an app for
everyone. We're building an
information independence that's
essential for society. From my
live stream collaboration with
ces to new content partnerships
with Tulsi Gabbard, Don Lemon
and Jim Rome. Talk about that.
And and you were right. I was
wrong. They paid Don Lemon a lot
of money according to Kara
Swisher who hangs out with Don
Lemon apparently. So I guess Jim
Rome as well and Tulsi Gabbard
John C Dvorak: got plenty money
to spend. We're
Adam Curry: expanding
perspectives on x and unlocking
new commercial opportunities.
We're building a new ecosystem
video ecosystem with our
partners. There's never been
more economic opportunity on X,
new shopping experiences,
financial partnerships for
payments, AI collaborations and
your recruitment product. just
the beginning.
John C Dvorak: You know, they're
changing the name again. They
are going to change it to
America Online.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's you
know, that's funny. You say
that. That's exactly what AOL
tried to be, isn't it? Yeah.
Except they ruined it by letting
everybody into the internet now
though. They're trying to this
is I guess, a reverse osmosis
version of it. But
John C Dvorak: it looks like it
looks like just the opposite
going in the other direction.
Well, let's see if we can wean
them from the internet. Yeah, I
put up and create a new AOL.
It's, you know, that's gonna
Adam Curry: go yeah, they're
gonna and they're gonna buy,
what can they buy? Can they then
reverse merger and buy discovery
and buy all of that good.
John C Dvorak: into trouble is
done. That devalue the book
value of the company keeps going
down. So it'd be tough. Yeah.
Well,
Adam Curry: I mean, when AOL
bought Time Warner, Time Warner
was much bigger than AOL. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: But AOL was the
net, the the book value was
going up, up up, it was going
through the moon, AOL. So it
looked like a good idea at the
time.
Adam Curry: whenever, whenever
an online thing, you know,
starts to get into show
business, like hiring Don Lemon.
And that's usually where things
go wrong. Good
John C Dvorak: point this would
have with the Yahoo. If you
remember when Terry Semel was
hilarious, I'm all right. I'm
going to turn into a TV network.
But wait a minute, there already
are TV networks, you got
something special, something
different. Why don't you like
maximize what it can do? No TV
network,
Adam Curry: very similar to
like, Spotify did the same
thing? Oh, we're going to be a
podcast. We're going to be the
biggest podcast network in the
world. No. Radio have
John C Dvorak: any experience
with podcasting or podcasters?
No, it doesn't matter.
Adam Curry: And they brought in
Hollywood people. I think that
Joe Rogan was probably a good
hire for them. I'm sure he
brought a lot of people over,
although I don't know if they
all signed up for the $5.
John C Dvorak: You know, I
wonder about that. I personally
doubt it. I think that Rogan was
the guy who made out on that.
Adam Curry: Oh, no doubt.
John C Dvorak: But and
supposedly is we're gonna see
that Don lemons gonna make out.
Yep. And we'll see somehow and
Jim Rome, and Jim Rome who
already got more properties than
he needs?
Adam Curry: Yeah, I would say
get your money up front, Don,
but it's gonna be great. I can't
wait for Don show. It's gonna be
no, it's gonna be a clip bonanza
John C Dvorak: of you're
probably right. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm
excited. I'm excited for him,
honestly. I mean, we, we all
know how we've just believed
excoriated him at every move he
made. But you know, so I think
it's pretty. It's either bold
and brazen, or completely
oblivious to? Well, his
position, Musk
John C Dvorak: did make the
comment that he likes it. He
thinks this is proving that he's
on both sides of these arguments
that he could put something like
that on. Yeah. And of course,
the guys who already quit
Twitter, all these journalists,
they've gone off to Mastodon
they and they call it the dead
bird. You know, they burned it.
It's unbelievable how they've is
there's various opinions on
Twitter. Now. They had to leave.
What
Adam Curry: since you bring that
up? I want to talk about
activity pub for a moment. I
don't know. I don't know if
anyone knows what activity Pub
is. I don't. Okay, activity. Pub
is probably, in my estimation,
one of the most important
technologies open source
technologies of the past 10
years. What activity pub does,
and I think was even developed,
it may might have been developed
15 years ago. It allows for
decentralized, interrupt between
applications. So you don't have
to have, you know, Google, in
between these disparate apps. In
fact, we're actually using we're
using activity pub to
decentralize the podcast index.
Because if there's one weakness
of what we set up with
podcasting, 2.0 is the actual
index if they didn't come after
that, or whatever. I mean,
there's lots of copies around
but we you want to decentralize
it so that, you know, no one,
there's no one way to ruin
podcasting. So what activity Pub
is, it allows messages to be
exchanged in what is commonly
known as the fediverse. So
servers federate with each
other. That's what Macedon runs
on. And this was known as glue
social before that. And of
course, six years ago, I set up
no agenda social was running it
from I think I had it on Amazon,
AWS. And it became a big project
technically, I couldn't handle
any more the updates, the the
infrastructure, it was becoming
very expensive. And I think
maybe did I run it for a year or
two? I'm thinking thinking
something like that. Matt
Hamilton, one of our producers
stepped in and took over no
agenda social.com in that in the
very beginning and I was very
excited about the technology
very excited about the federated
nature of it. So you can have an
account on one server and you
are jacked up I was I was very
jacked up on it. It was great
because you can you can connect
to someone else Epson, you know,
post messages, basically a
social network between it didn't
didn't You could have a little
server with just yourself and
your family, everybody could
communicate. The mistake I made,
which I didn't know, but I fully
own it is i is my choice of
domain name, no agenda
social.com, which of course
identifies with no agenda. So
any messages posted on no agenda
social could always and can
always be seen by this world of
federated servers. So even
though if you're on your own
account, say, I know agenda
social, and there's stuff you
don't want to see, you can block
it. Everything that's coming
from no agenda social from us,
is always visible outside of, of
our server, and of course,
associated to the outside world
with the show. So very quickly,
we became one of the most
blocked instances. We were
called Nazis que que que
Quadroon is free speech zone,
which I kind of I kind of liked
the free speech zone, because
there was no censoring, no one
got kicked off, except for
actual illegal stuff. And there
was some of that in the
beginning. And it was funny, but
the initial culture, it even the
fediverse itself is very, very
dimension B. So you can know why
you could understand why a lot
of people got very triggered
just by our general thinking. So
Matt, took it over, upheld the
same policy that I initiated no
censorship, free speech over
time, and this has been going on
for you know, this, I've been
having this conversation on no
agenda social for months, this
became a problem, I think,
likely because of the purges,
you know, we kept it at 10,000,
inactive accounts would get
purged, more people could come
in, I think partially because of
that, partially because of the
nature of social media, which
is, obviously a societal
failure, content was being
posted, that you could block
that you didn't have to see, but
to the outside world, it
certainly did not reflect the
nature of our show, or the
producers of this podcast, and I
was really getting fed up. I
didn't want to tolerate it
anymore. So I'd advocated many
times that people move to
smaller servers, you know, you
can, you can get, you can get
one out of the box, five bucks a
month, you could share that cost
with a couple of people. But it
was so bad that hosting
companies that host Mastodon
instances, wouldn't even let
people set them up with no
agenda in the name because of
our reputation. So it would be
easy if we could just change the
name and have everybody go on
their merry way. Because I just
I don't know about you. But I
didn't like the association that
we were having with a lot of the
there was a lot of garbage,
there's hundreds of accounts
just posting garbage, and that's
visible to the whole outside
world. So unfortunately, you
can't change and I own the
domain name, then, you know,
just always let that go. It's
fine. We'll just run it. But you
can't change the name the domain
name without breaking
Federation. And that's that's
the I didn't realize that early
on. Because
John C Dvorak: it Well, now, you
know, so I would suggest having
gotten into more than a few
beefs with some of the losers on
the on the no agenda social that
we kill the instance and start
afresh?
Adam Curry: Well, that is
exactly what Matt decided he
took, I think, a brave stand, he
made the decision. It's better
to start a new server and it's
at no authority dot social. And
you can migrate your account to
it. That way you can keep your
fediverse followers is going to
break stuff, no doubt about it.
And he's going to allow time for
people to migrate over. And I
just wanted I wanted to take
this moment to thank Matt
Hamilton for being such a great,
kind, generous and a good
steward of knowledge and the
social and for all the years of
his time, talent and treasure
that he put into maintaining it.
He's a real solid guy and
deserves a lot of praise and
gratitude. Where's Aaron nurse
fit into the next chats? Matt?
Erina Matt is Erina Okay, his
name is Matt Hamilton.
John C Dvorak: Aaron are so
exhausted him you you've doxxed
him no, he
Adam Curry: says it right on his
account Matt Hamilton at no
Daxing so now, so everyone can
move over there. And that'll
that'll be fine. It's it sucks
that we can't keep the name or
the we can't change the name and
keep the server intact. That's
really what bums me out. Because
it just breaks everything. That
part really sucks. But we'll
have a new house. Oh, so
John C Dvorak: no agenda social
will be no more at what dropped
dead date. I
Adam Curry: don't know Matt and
Matt will figure that out. But
people can already move over
today. So you can start
migrating your stuff over. And
we hope to see you there, John.
John C Dvorak: If I can't figure
it out, too hard for me.
Adam Curry: I'm sure you'll be
able to figure it out. All
right. Well, yes. Well,
John C Dvorak: we're talking
about it change major change.
Ain't yours I want to play a
series of clips that I thought
were fake to begin with. But it
was confirmed by the CEO of
Cloudflare. Oh, this
Adam Curry: video, I stopped
watching after about two minutes
because I
John C Dvorak: have the whole
thing because I think is I think
is valuable. But now I thought
it was I just thought it might
just
Adam Curry: say something. It
was uncomfortable for me.
Because I have I have fired
friends. In my companies. I've
fired you I think did my fire,
you
John C Dvorak: know, you never
fired or demoted you. I had to
have your salary. No, no, you
didn't demote me there I was. I
kept the job. But I got was a
cut MBA.
Adam Curry: And I had to say,
Dude, I'm sorry, I gotta cut
your I hate these calls. But But
I didn't at least I didn't
chicken chicken out and have HR
do it.
John C Dvorak: Or whoever what
this was this reason I was
attracted to this clip is
because it was a reenactment
almost, purge, almost word for
word of the script up in the air
with Clooney. Now, if anyone
hasn't seen that movie, I think
is one of the best movies done
by Clooney. It's just a
beautiful film. And it's about a
guy who is a professional at
firing people, right? And they
are going to hire this girl who
is going to be that she's the
new young kid that was going to
change it all. So nobody's going
to be fired in person anymore.
It's all going to be done over
the over the computer exactly
the way this was happening. So
this was right out of up in the
air. And I said, Well, there's
got to be a fake, because it was
well miked. You could hear her
Oh,
Adam Curry: you really? I mean,
it looks to me like she just had
her her phone set down.
John C Dvorak: It was very, I
thought it was too professional,
to be really honest. Yeah, I
was. I'm skeptical. I'm very
skeptical of everything. Yes. So
I'm just skeptical of this being
just a fake, but then they had
Cloudflare. And I had to
rationalize, well, were they
there? Was there any slander to
Cloudflare? No, not really. I
don't think they could be sued,
but they could be sued for
reputation. Or there could be
some SEC action. So but anyway,
we went once the guy from cloud
first flare came out and said,
Well, we're sorry this happened
to I did but we we fire we fired
40 people we fire 40 people
every quarter from the 1500
sales people that we have great
Adam Curry: company every
quarter 40 Go isn't that stack
ranking? Isn't that what that
is?
John C Dvorak: This is an
interesting point. Because stack
stack the ranking never came up
in the conversation. But stack
ranking does stuff like that.
Yeah. stack ranking is I believe
is going on at Boeing. And
that's why Boeing is having
these issues, because they
brought these GE guys into CEO
Boeing. Yeah. And they're all
staggered rank rankers
Adam Curry: yeah, there's that
and they then they fired 900
Quality Control guys.
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, that
was during the code that was
just the VAX Yeah, we
Adam Curry: one of our producers
wrote a whole list and I put it
in the show notes. Yeah, under
trains, good plains bad a whole
list of all these things. And he
thinks it's definitely Boeing's
mistake. This what the Mac the
most recent Mac's kerfuffle.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: he's got nothing
good. He basically takes Boeing
to task. But yeah, 900 Quality
Control guy, so which is the guy
that you guys, you don't want to
fire but okay. So we go to this.
So this woman found out in
advance that she's gonna get
fired from her friend who got
fired a few minutes early, or a
few hours earlier. And so she
got ready, got prepared and tape
the whole thing. And I want to
go over it with it in mind that
you and I both have enough
experience in the corporate
world, that we can take these
both sides to task and some of
the mistakes that were made
along the way, I just think it'd
be nice to deconstruct good,
Adam Curry: constructive or
deconstructive today.
John C Dvorak: Let's go with
clip one. Hey,
Unknown: Brittany. Hi. Yes, I'm
so sorry. My name is Rosie and
just joining the call. Nice to
meet you. Monday, HR team. Hi.
Thanks for meeting with me. And
Rosie. We have an important
meeting today. script with
FaceTime valuations of 23
performance. That's where you've
not met clap our expectations
for performance. We've decided
to part ways with you. Yeah,
I'm gonna stop right there. So I
started August 25. I've been on
a three month ramp. Okay,
Adam Curry: so first of all
script obvious, man and woman
this is and this isn't I'm gonna
bet it's an outside HR firm. I
don't even think it's in house.
John C Dvorak: I had the same
feeling. I think the mistake
immediately that these two
boneheads made were she's stop
them from reading the script.
Yeah, yep, I'm gonna stop you're
right now and took over the
place that
Adam Curry: is not in their
script. There's no, there's
probably in there if employee
starts crying and stuff like
that, but not, I'm going to stop
you and I'm gonna get in your
face with this now, probably
not.
John C Dvorak: So good. So
that's a screw up on their part.
I think the guy or the woman
when the two should have said,
well, we'll let let me finish
first. Yeah, and then finish up
the script. I agree. I agree.
But they didn't do that they
Okay, whatever. And so this girl
went off on him, which means to
me that she probably is a good
salesperson to be able to pull
this off. Oh, good. I looked at
her watch. And I worked with a
lot of different salespeople
mostly in publishing, but I've
worked with do they have to go
out there and sell stuff? And I
can recognize a reasonably good
salesperson kinda but she never
she says herself that she never
closed anything. Right? The
three she was only there for
three months. I don't know how
to close over the holiday. Yeah,
yes. Yeah, she
Adam Curry: made a big point
about that, that she called it a
ramp which I kind of like I'm on
my ramp on my sales. Guy
John C Dvorak: who sent us the
insight on this was said that,
because I asked him about what
some of these terms I didn't
hear a few these they ramp to
him meant onboarding, which is
probably what was going on. So
she was only really working
there for a month or two. And
the CEO later says, Well, when
we fired the 40 PA, we can tell
right away if somebody is no
good. And I found that convinced
to that, bro. Okay, let's go on.
Unknown: And then it was three
weeks of December, and then a
week of Christmas. And then here
we are. I have had the highest
activity amongst my team. Since
I've started, I have had three
contracts out, done a really
great job managing my deals up
until the very end that decided
not to close last minute. So I
don't think that that makes a
lot of sense. And when she
Adam Curry: says decided not to
close last minute to me, that
means these are dead deals. That
it's I mean, they won't matter
to these HR people. But it
sounds like she did she did just
didn't close. It's not like
they're gonna close and
John C Dvorak: she had three I
think three deals she couldn't
close them couldn't which is a
problem. Yeah. But at the same
time, we're dealing with
Thanksgiving, Christmas and New
Years. That whole that whole
period is impossible. Any work
that even nobody's around
Adam Curry: even from November.
You're right. Okay. That
Unknown: makes a lot of sense
for me and my Cloudflare journey
here so far.
Adam Curry: I love the
Cloudflare journey.
John C Dvorak: I love the
journey, this Zoomers,
Unknown: it's great. Also, every
single one on one I've had with
my manager, every conversation
I've had with him has he has
been given me nothing. But I am
doing a great job. I have had
great activity, I have really
great meetings, I'm picking up
the products very quickly.
Adam Curry: By the way, with all
this sounds like great activity.
That's that's all coming out of
Salesforce. Salesforce is
showing her activity being
great. You know what I mean?
That's a good point. That's how
they track that
Unknown: looking at the products
very quickly. And things have
been going really, really well.
I make really great
relationships with my clients.
So I disagree that my
performance hasn't been I
haven't met performance
expectations. When I certainly
have just because I haven't
closed anything officially
officially here. Yeah. Why are
you doing this? And not my
manager? Not you know, we've
never met so that my manager has
no idea that this has been
happening and the director has
no idea that this has been
happening. So I'm just
definitely confused. And yeah, I
would love like an explanation
that makes sense.
Adam Curry: I'm confused. As
does every sales person. I mean,
I've hired lots of salespeople.
You've, you've been around
you've you've I don't know, if
you've hired salespeople, I'm
sure you have actually. You give
someone a certain amount of time
to close something because a
salesperson usually comes in
with with a Rolodex. Even if
they're just starting out, you
know, it's like you're gonna
hire someone who has a contact.
So maybe it was her three
contacts. These were the ones
and she couldn't close them. Now
then I'd say you know what? You
didn't close on the things you
said you should close we need to
find somebody else. But if
John C Dvorak: there could be
some and she could be lying
about the her interaction with
her boss could be could be one
on one. We don't know. Yeah. And
I get the sense she's honest,
but I could be wrong because
some of these rumors you don't
know I mean, we had they have
the reputation of not wanting to
work at all. coming in late and
doing all this stuff she didn't
seem like that she seemed like a
go getter no she seemed like a
like a conscientious person and
she also seemed detail oriented
the fact that you recorded this
and by the way, this is your
future nightmare for all
corporations who think they're
going to get away with firing
people over over a zoom call
you're not going to get away
with
Adam Curry: it. Oh, you're
taking you're taking the the the
Zoomer side here
John C Dvorak: I am taking the
Zoomer say you have to stop this
has to stop immediately. Because
this is good. This kind of an
embed dissuade Zoomers think,
well, wait a minute. I'm getting
fired. Let me record the whole
thing. I think I'll document
this. Oh, I just did. Let me
post it. Yeah, good points.
Makes this makes Cloud Flare
look like a bunch of douche
bags. And total
Adam Curry: douche is Yeah. No,
I agree with that. But that's, I
mean, that is that is Silicon
Valley. And it's interesting
that this is really one of the
few phone recordings we're
seeing. Because this happened
constantly. Constantly.
John C Dvorak: Yes, it's one of
the few This is she is setting a
new bar now. This is not going
to be the first that we hear
something like this until they
stop it because this This is
embarrassing.
Adam Curry: The I hadn't even
this video was posted kind of
like look at this Cry Baby
Zoomer. And I think you're
making some valid points here.
So there I am. Yes. There us why
there's two of us. Onward. Yeah,
I
Unknown: would love like an
explanation that makes sense.
Adam Curry: Okay, you got me
100%. Yeah, with
Unknown: love, like an
explanation that makes sense.
Real quick, let me carve out two
threads. A ladder of why I'm on
this conversation. I'll put that
one. The second half and Rosie
might be
Adam Curry: better to explain
shooter said let's put a pin in
that that would have been
another boring moment. But he
made a carve out carve out let
me put a pin in that
Unknown: conversation. I'll put
that one. The second half and
Rosie my feet better to explain
the process of let's circle back
who's getting this information
in the prior piece, which is
your feedback and notes about
your performance? So we had no
context to that. So just for
clarification, you are not being
singled out on this. Your peers
are also being collectively
performance as a collective
collaboration for Cloudflare
Adam Curry: collective
calibration for Cloudflare
Cloudflare Hmm, that that sounds
like a annual credit
John C Dvorak: toward the bling
in there
Adam Curry: to collective
calibration for Cloudflare SSL
Unknown: performance as the
collective calibration for
Cloudflare so I just want to
clarify that piece. I won't be
able to add any kind of numbers
are we Yeah, no
Can you explain for me why
Britney peach is getting let go.
Adam Curry: I won't be able to
by the way, great porn name. I'm
sorry. No, I hate to say it but
Britney peach is a great name.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's it
would be as peach it would be
but her name is actually Pietsch
es kind of thing it's a
complicated even better. Well I
think No I think Brittany PHP e
AC E would be a good strippers
name.
Adam Curry: It's also a good
name for a radio show. Hey
middays Brittany peach with you.
Cheers. Berlin Britain
John C Dvorak: there's a weather
girl on the Fox Weather Channel
whose last name is freeze Oh no.
Adam Curry: Hello I'm Brittany
freeze peach everybody Brittany
Unknown: peaches getting let go
I won't be able to go into
specifics for numbers
Wait why though? I just started
I've been working extremely hard
just because I haven't closed
anything that has nothing to do
with my performance on a three
month ramp with just one month
with to halt major holidays in
the middle. I don't think that
has anything to do with why I
should be let go if that makes
sense. So I really need an
answer and an explanation as to
why for EPs getting let go not
why Cloudflare decided to hire
too many people then are now
actually realizing that they
can't afford this many people.
If that's the real answer, I
would rather just you tell me
that instead of making up some
bullshit and telling you that it
was my job from someone that
I've never met before, if you
can respect Okay, first of all
Adam Curry: she shouldn't have
dropped the bullshit thing
that's too bad that kind of kind
of ruined everything the way she
did it. And I have to give it to
her though. When I had to fire
everyone. We literally lost
clients it this was think new
idea. This is before I knew you
had but it was the same with the
with with POD show. We don't
have enough money to say we have
to cut back. And I literally
said like, we lost clients. We
don't have work for you. I'm
sorry, I gotta let you go. But
that was the real reason. And
it, I would just guess that's
the real reason Cloudflare is
letting people go.
John C Dvorak: I would say yes
to that, too. And I think she
was right when she nailed it. I
don't know. I don't object to
the way she presented it
personally with the bullshit
because that's one other but you
know, that's good. I think she,
I think that's what is going on.
And that's what she pointed out.
And she said, I'd rather you
fire me for that reason, which
is hey, we fired to me people.
Sorry. You're now at the bottom
of the list here. You gotta you
gotta go. We can't do anything
about it. Yeah, that would be
fine. And she, I think she would
be happy with that. But not the
nonsense, happier. Um, it's
Adam Curry: not joyful. But no,
she's
John C Dvorak: not gonna be
happy at all, but happier. Yeah.
or less. Just
Adam Curry: be honest. Be
honest. That's, I mean, I've
I've fired people. It's like,
you're fired. Here's why I'm not
gonna, you know, they're not
going to pussyfoot around is
like, you're fired. I gotta let
you go. And here's why. But,
okay. I hated that so much. I
hated that so much. But I
certainly didn't push it out and
let HR do it.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you have to
do it yourself. Okay, onward. I
Unknown: can totally respect
that. And I don't think DOM or
myself today is going to give
you any clarity or answers, it's
going to meet the expectations
that you're communicating to us,
Brittany, so I can't speak to
am I getting let go for no
reason. If you guys can't give
me a reason, I'm
happy to follow up with you
separately to give you the data
that was calibrated for me to
speak with revenue leadership,
specifically, to see if we can
get that for you. But dominantly
share that. I cannot share that
with you right now,
unfortunately,
Adam Curry: because she doesn't
have that data. It's
Unknown: understandable how you
feel and your frustration,
cannot back to the script and
stress that and I have been
working extremely hard. Sorry, I
just knew that this meeting was
coming after knowing what's been
happening with my peers and how
extremely frustrated and upset
everyone is. I know you guys
must not be able to understand
that given the in the positions
that you are in. And it must be
very easy for you to just have
these little 10 minute 15 minute
meetings, tell someone that
they're fired completely wreck
their whole life. And then
that's it with no explanation.
That's traumatizing for people
traumatized, you can imagine
that and I don't. Well,
Adam Curry: now, back to the
Zoomer position. If these people
truly were thinking about the
people they're firing being,
quote, unquote, humane, knowing
that this generation, and even
the generation before her, I'm
just guessing, they'll have
always had participation
trophies, and yeah, you're doing
great, it's okay. Don't worry
about it, it would have been
much more it was much nicer to
have just blamed and on the
company's position, which is
ultimately always the truth.
Like, you know, it's not working
because we need more money and
you can't deliver but but not,
not this, you know?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I wonder
where this evolved from. I mean,
again, I refer back to the movie
up in the air, which was not
about a tech company, but it was
the same kind of thing where you
had this was a big, corporate
big corporation that had to do a
lot of firing. And I'm trying to
think I didn't get fired a lot,
but I I have
Adam Curry: been That's
surprising.
John C Dvorak: surprising to me,
well, because
Adam Curry: you brought in the
numbers you brought in the
moolah, baby, you are the cash
cow. No
John C Dvorak: one ever went
broke advertising next to a
Devorah column, right? I'm
talking about but No, I'm
talking about when I was younger
and working in factories and I
was almost fired from
International Harvester one year
but and I was taken in to the my
direct supervisor and he told me
what was wrong and he said, You
have to stop that. And so I went
back to work but it was there's
the there was this idea what I
what I'm interested in is this
third party which again would
goes back to the movie, this
third party that comes in as
they've is the hatchet man.
Yeah. And the hatchet man comes
a week they had one of these at
IDG when I was working for info
world, there was a hatchet man
known as it computer world, the
cause Padma govern had to be
loved by everybody. And he was a
nice guy slap on the back.
Everything's fantastic. And he
had a hatchet man named Walter
boy. Who was a kind of a gay
character that wore an urban
coat. And he was very
flamboyant. And he go in and he
just loved firing people, and he
would be the hatchet guy and he
come in with you, for me having
a meeting with Walter Boyd,
you're out. And everybody knew
in advance, which is kind of
what this girl is going through
because she knew in advance that
she was gonna get fired by
these. These these Newton nicks
and nobody knows who they are. I
just wonder where this
professional, I
Adam Curry: forget the name of
the company, but I always hear
it advertised on CNBC. It's like
it's on tip my tongue. And you
hear these years people calling
him like, you even an employee
who has horrible body odor, and
I just don't know how to talk to
him about it, then, yes, we have
an employee he was always late.
And the you know, so all and
then it's the payoff is don't
worry, we'll come in, we'll take
care of it for you.
John C Dvorak: I don't know
this.
Adam Curry: Oh, man. It's on the
tip of my tongue. I should.
Yeah, it's an HR company. And
John C Dvorak: interesting.
Yeah, well, it's somehow along
the lines has happened. So let's
go. What are we on clip three,
Adam Curry: four, we're still
four, we're still foreign, we
John C Dvorak: finish up. But we
still I
Unknown: don't think that this
is, it's just very, very
shocking, very, very shocking. I
have like, really given my whole
energy and life over the last
four months to this job. And to
be let go for no reason is like
a huge slap in the face from a
company that I really want it to
believe in, I can
absolutely understand how you
feel that way and why you feel
that way. And I'll be honest
with you, there's nothing that
we're going to say in this call
and the time that we have that's
going to undo the way that you
feel right in this moment.
Adam Curry: Back to the script,
the way you feel right
John C Dvorak: at this my love
this part of the time, we have
another words you got your 10
minutes was what she said at the
beginning of these 10 minute
call. Yeah. And this This call
was nine minutes. In the time
that we have in other words,
shut up so you can get fire. So
we know the next time I or
somebody else,
Adam Curry: we gotta wrap this
up people. Were on the clock to
Lady Bethany beach. We're on the
clock here.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, pretty much
is what it amounted to. This is
the last clip by
Unknown: her saying we'll do
everything that I can to give
you as much specific information
as I can, after this call. I
can't make any promises. I
understand where you're coming
from. I can tell you that
domande I do care. I understand
the feeling that you have right
now. And I can't change that. So
just beyond but
why can't so but there you guys
have still not given me a reason
why I'm being let go. Despite
constant positive praise from my
manager, great meetings that I'm
having the amount of activity
that I have has all been
positive. I have not received
any negative inclination. I have
not been put on a performance
improvement plan. Nothing so I
Adam Curry: could not good
point. Performance Improvement
Plan. I'm sure. I'm sure that's
a real thing. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yes. In fact, our
guy who sent us our producers
sent this stuff in was mentioned
a performance improvement plan
is is code for it is a real
thing. And is Stein when you're
screwing up and now they're
gonna start documenting it so
they can fire you with cause
there you go. I know they didn't
do that with her. But again
before you finish it you have
Adam Curry: another clip of this
by the way that you have a six
this is five
John C Dvorak: oh and then
there's off still stopped
because you're gonna take
forever.
Adam Curry: No, I want to hear
them all now. Yeah, I was gonna
say was Britney's future.
John C Dvorak: Zoomers? You
know, when they're hired, and if
they have the reputation that
they have of being super
sensitive? It's possible that
their managers are kind of
alerted to this and, and, and
have to treat them with kid
gloves. And so you never get the
kind of feedback you need to
say, Hey, you're not working
hard enough. Is I mean, so I'm
at a crossroads at this part of
her discussion as to how much of
this is her fault by virtue of
her peers and peer group of
Zoomers who are not known for
being hard workers. She and me
but think they are diluted.
Adam Curry: Let's let's get back
to the tape.
Unknown: I cannot speak to what
your manager has communicated to
you directly. But that should be
the indication of poor
performance based on your
attainment and leading
indicators of data. That is that
is the rationale.
But I've been here for only a
month after ramping and that was
during the holiday. So I don't
understand what those Can you
explain what those performance
metrics are? Or is that just
like Have a vague term to give
to everyone that you're speaking
to today.
I will say that the performance
indicators of performance
metrics are well,
Adam Curry: they are what did he
say that? Did he say force
metrics?
John C Dvorak: Sound or what he
said I think it was for spin
that
Adam Curry: that's probably
Salesforce metrics. This is how
this is how you're Oh, you're
right.
John C Dvorak: It has to be
forced forced metric Salesforce
would be, it would be yes.
Unknown: To give to everyone
that you're speaking
Adam Curry: to performance,
people are saying where miss
hearing it performance was
hearing.
Unknown: I'll say that the
performance indicators.
Adam Curry: Mommy's SS force
metrics,
John C Dvorak: performance based
on force metrics, he says
performance force metrics,
Unknown: I'll say that the
performance indicators and
performance metrics are while
they are specifics, there's no
situation will we will be able
to conceive,
I don't even know. Do you guys
even know? Like, why? Like who
you're talking to each day?
Like, every single 1015 minutes?
Do you guys even know who you're
talking to? Like, why you're
letting these people go? When
you don't even understand like
the kind of work and everything
that they've put in?
I hear you what you saying that?
Adam Curry: No, no, no. Wow.
John C Dvorak: No, I wonder
Adam Curry: what this costs for.
For them to hire this team. They
John C Dvorak: could have
probably kept around for another
six months, or what costs are
these two? Right now? I was
going back to force metrics.
This is kind of what happened
with shs it was together the big
the big bomb. No, SP it was SPS.
It was it was another big. It's
a big personnel software system.
Somebody should I only know
Bong. No, no, this is this is
you if I keep thinking shs But
it might be something else. But
it's like three letters or
couple of letters. And they're
the ones who have SLP. SAP SAP
Adam Curry: da. Thanks. net net.
Thanks, Mike. SAP
John C Dvorak: has built it,
which is a system that another
system have you implemented and
you don't have to do any
thinking because you don't have
to meet. Really understand your
employees. You did SAP does the
work for you. And SAP is
incorporated within it. I don't
know if it's from Jack Welch or
they're the ones who first came
up with it. Rank stack ranking
ranking, right. Yeah. And so sap
would would create the stack
ranking situation and you'd get
to fire people without having to
really do any. It's no surprise
and Microsoft stock and the
company has just skyrocketed.
Once they seemingly eliminated
stack ranking from his from
there. They don't do it anymore.
As far as I know. Oh,
interesting. When Ballmer left
out it left with it. I think
Ballmer actually may have
cancelled it while he was there.
But it we didn't get to benefit
from it. And this is a very bad
system, because what it creates
is stacked ranking creates. And
I think that this may be
incorporated into the Salesforce
thing. stack ranking creates a
environment that is very similar
to the TV show survivor, where
people scheme against one guy
they want to get rid of. It's a
scam. It's not useful. No, no,
you end up getting rid of your
best people by accident, or by
shock.
Adam Curry: limbers was a hero
for stuff like this people he
was Yeah,
John C Dvorak: Jack Welch guy.
Yep, pretty much. Right? The
worst?
Adam Curry: Of the worst. We
have one more here. Okay, I hear
you what you're
Unknown: saying. It just doesn't
make it it just doesn't make any
sense that you guys have still
not been able to give me a
reason why I'm being let go.
from a process perspective, your
questions are valid. This isn't
gonna be the four scripts from
the situation where we're able
to go into the detail.
But then when if it's not right,
as I'm getting fired, it's
certainly not going to be after
when I'm no longer part of the
company.
No, no, I don't think there's
anything we can say in this
moment or today, Brittany,
that's going to change the way
that you feel. And it's under
again, like understandable. I'm
taking notes and feedback, oil.
Coming to the meeting,
it's not going to change the
outcome of a situation che so it
may be best if we do get into
more of the specifics of what
the next steps are. Because I
think it's clear that you have
questions that we cannot give
answers to. And if you'd be open
to it, I'd love to move into
what the next steps are so that
you're not any further
blindsided than you already
feel.
Adam Curry: Wrap it up. Okay.
Unknown: Thank you down. Again,
I'm really sorry that you're
having this experience and
feeling this way. I want to
confirm your personal email
address because that's where
Adam Curry: remember people when
you divorce please say to your
ex spouse or future ex spouse
I'm really sorry you're having
this experience it's really the
way to go it's really the way to
go
John C Dvorak: I found this this
little bit to be this where I
slipped it and wanted to discuss
it because I think it portends
for a lot of interesting
situations down the road the
least of which is this this idea
that you're going to get some
and a zoom call and fire him and
get away with it yeah, I think
those days are over well the
Adam Curry: troll room is
business all over this thing
that they know all kinds of
people are getting fired by zoom
it seems to be the standard
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we're
recording this. This is good
material.
Adam Curry: Yes a little long. I
could have done with a little
less but thank well I think
John C Dvorak: I could have I
tried to cut it down but I
decided to put the whole cloth
because I did have commentary
Adam Curry: back to some news
because it's flu season
Unknown: flu season is raging
fever, Jake's and runny noses.
Listen to these nap pops flu
season is raging fever, aches
and runny noses. Especially in
the south.
We have a very early start to
our flu season.
Dr. Andy Shain is the head of
infectious diseases at
Children's Healthcare of
Atlanta, where cases of COVID
and both flu a and flu B are up.
She says the flu vaccine appears
to be working this year. The
problem is people aren't getting
the shot.
vaccination rates of children
are much lower this year. uptake
of vaccination has been less.
The CDC says numbers of
outpatient flu cases decreased
last week, but they have
remained higher than expected
since November. Altogether this
flu season there have been 14
million cases and nearly 10,000
deaths, numbers back to pre
pandemic levels, deadly
illnesses are hitting even those
young and healthy. What
Adam Curry: does that mean
levels back to pre pandemic
levels. Does that mean it's just
back to normal?
John C Dvorak: Yes, what it
sounds like to me she
Adam Curry: makes it sound like
it's back to pre pandemic
levels. Yeah,
Unknown: normal sounds good
numbers
back to pre pandemic levels.
Deadly illnesses are hitting
even those young and healthy,
deadly illnesses like Quinton
Thomas, a 27 year old father of
three died last week after his
family says he contracted flu A
and B at the same time know your
son was otherwise a very healthy
young man. Right?
Hard working young man. Hard to
believe it's too
fast. It's too sudden.
He's distraught father Robert
telling us Quinton was
unvaccinated. Are you gonna go
get vaccinated? Yeah,
Adam Curry: probably. Yeah, I'm
going down.
Unknown: grandbabies rounds with
vaccines remain the best defense
according to doctors, they
really are the optimal way and
the sort of foundation of all of
the efforts that we recommend to
prevent the transmission of flu
and COVID So
Adam Curry: keep the vaccines
common for everything and
anything it's all great even
though the flu shot really
doesn't work at least 50% of the
time.
John C Dvorak: Now here's the
thing that bothers me because I
was watching some news this
morning and the news cast was
bragging about all the good work
they do for the community but
never about covering news. The
news here that needs to be
covered is why we'll all of a
sudden we added the blue MB the
vaccine hesitancy hesitancy has
become so inculcated within the
population as a whole people are
very skeptical about these
vaccines now thank thanks to who
How did that happen? The Hobbit
An explanation for that.
Adam Curry: I have the
explanation. Well, we
John C Dvorak: both that we did
the show has the explanation but
it's because we do have
Adam Curry: is because of the
Dark Horse podcast. Brett
Weinstein which I have to talk
about him in a second. But
first, this continues because
doctors are very alarmed. This
Unknown: is the first time I
have known the flu to be
horrible. Mary Stein and her
three year old son James have
spent the last few nights in the
Dallas hospital.
His cough got so strong and so
hard. We've been here since
Wednesday night diagnosed with
flu A and then that turned into
right side pneumonia.
Coughing kids have kept Dr.
Stephanie a tee up with Dallas
Medical City Children's Hospital
busy for
months, we're seeing more flu
this year than we did last year
or the year before.
Nationally, the number of flu
cases has decreased. But in
southern states flu activity is
still high, including in Dallas
County, where almost 20% of
tests are positive.
One thing that's a little
unusual this flu season is that
we're seeing both flu a and flu
be more or less at the Same
time,
lower vaccination rates could be
to blame. Less than half of
adults and children have gotten
the latest flu vaccine, the
lowest in five years.
I think there definitely is some
vaccine fatigue out there. From
the last couple of years. He
sounds pretty good.
Stein says she is getting her
son's flu shot this year, and
urges parents to take the
flu seriously,
I would definitely go with your
gut, listen to your instincts
and either get the flu shot or
be very proactive in your
treatments. Doctors
say it's still not too late to
get the flu shot.
And they also say if you're
sick, don't go to work. If your
kids are sick, don't send them
to school. Staying home could
help stop the spread.
Nor we know the flu is deadly.
Adam Curry: Flu rather now.
John C Dvorak: So can I just
interject something here? Of
course, because I haven't taken
the flu shot for, I don't know,
20 years. And I did in 2017
catch something that appeared to
be the flu and I would I always
have at the ready and every time
I mentioned this to a doctor,
they say oh yeah, that's a
pretty good idea.
Adam Curry: You OD on vitamin
d3. No, no. Oh, Tamiflu,
John C Dvorak: Tamiflu and
Relenza, right, right, right. So
these are two products that
stopped a flu in its tracks,
literally, and they work. I
think Relenza might work a
little better than Tamiflu. And
they supposedly Relenza works
against bird flu. Nobody. Why is
this not even mentioned in these
reports? That if you catch if
you have a hint that you're
catching the flu, you would take
one of these products if you
weren't maybe weren't
vaccinated? Because the getting
endless flu vaccinations seems
futile anyway.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm just going
to guess that Tamiflu didn't get
John C Dvorak: any money from
GlaxoSmithKline because you guys
are gonna
Adam Curry: guess that is
generic. Would that be crazy? I
mean, Tamiflu seems like Tamiflu
John C Dvorak: is generic at
this point, but not real ends. I
think it's still only available
through Glaxo Tamiflu
Adam Curry: was generic as of
2018. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: so it's a screw
them. Yeah. Screw that pelvic
for actually educating people
Tamiflu. So I, you know,
everyone would say well, I get I
get some more Tamiflu because it
does. has a long shelf life, but
it has an expiration date that I
think is bogus, whatever. And
the doctor, I said, I said, What
do you need Tamiflu for it? So
just in case, if I get the flu,
I like to have some towel flew
around. So I don't have to, you
know, hustle around to get all
it's a great idea. They always
say that. Oh, yeah, that's a
great idea.
Adam Curry: And America's
favorite doctor, Dr. DeVore.
Rock, everybody
John C Dvorak: in America is
telling me it's a great idea.
America's retirement idea, man.
Adam Curry: I have a question. I
have a question. Idea. Man. I
got a question. I got a
question. Isn't it rare that
what I was understood is the flu
vaccine vaccination was always
kind of a guess. But they they
had some data and say, well,
it's either gonna be flu a or
flu b this year. So
John C Dvorak: that they had
three, three choices, usually.
But, but
Adam Curry: it was always like,
Okay, you take, okay, flu, A, B,
or C, but I think a or b is what
I remember. And they would make
the vaccine with a and sometimes
they would guess wrong, and
everyone you know, the shot
would be worthless. Oh,
John C Dvorak: it happens. All
it happened about oh, but during
this show era? Yeah, a couple
times, I think about five or six
years ago, they had these all
the they had all these shots,
and there was getting a shot.
And then there was some
California variant. I
specifically remember this, and
everybody got sick.
Adam Curry: But But have you I
don't recall a time when the A
and the B was out. I thought it
was always a or b. I don't
remember no,
John C Dvorak: no, my
understanding that there's three
blended in there all at all
times three of them. And they
pay and they get it from
Australia. No. Oh, yes. Because
Australia is outside of China.
And then they go and they say
well, what, what do you think is
going to be what's the most
popular where everyone seems to
be getting sick from this one.
So let's manufacture a vaccine.
Adam Curry: Oh, because they are
six months ahead? Yeah. So
they're like, they're like our
crash test dummies?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So I don't
know what they do. So
Adam Curry: anyway, Well,
speaking of Australia, do you
remember when Australia had a
vaccine for COVID? Yeah. And it
contained HIV. Remember that? I
John C Dvorak: thought that wait
a minute, I thought if you
remember when this all began,
and that French guy, the French
Nobel Prize winner came out and
looked at the at the construct
of the of the virus and he says,
Oh, he's the one who said
there's HIV in it.
Adam Curry: The virus, the virus
or the vaccine.
John C Dvorak: The virus, the
Adam Curry: virus, okay. He said
this age Shaheed
John C Dvorak: HIV and the virus
and his supposition was they
were trying to create he didn't
have a positive attitude about
it. He says this looks like they
were trying to create a vaccine
that could, because it was
impossible to get HIV vaccine
doesn't exist because they can't
crack some wall or something.
And they were thinking this
might be a kind of a half assed
way in to get people
Adam Curry: immunized.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's what
his theory wasn't. So there were
and so he's because everyone
said there was HIV. And in the,
in the created virus, the COVID,
the first batch that came went
through,
Adam Curry: well, Deborah Birx
commander Burke's Rear Admiral
Burke's, your buddy, to she aged
dramatically. Just a couple of
years, her I've been her face is
just I
John C Dvorak: think like a
party. You know, I think there's
something to the the idea of a
of a, what to call it a vibe,
or, or a hey, hate vibe, or
something that goes through
black matter and black energy of
the universe, and it goes in and
it lands on somebody eats you
up. And it eats you up? Yeah,
well, I'm almost convinced of
this.
Adam Curry: Well, that's what
she looks like. And she was on
news nation with the Cuomo kid.
And this clip, left me with more
questions than I could ever have
comparisons
Unknown: to HIV, you've done a
ton of research in this. Do you
believe this was a false flag?
Is there something that
contextually people need to
understand about that
comparison, or is this much
darker potential reality than we
knew?
The reason that comparison to
HIV is important is because HIV
was also asymptomatic. I mean,
you couldn't see the virus
through symptoms because people
were infected for 789 years
before they develop symptoms.
But HIV quietly destroyed our
immune system. And we learned a
lot about immunology from HIV,
and it's changed completely our
cancer therapy. We're learning
now about mitochondria and viral
impact and brain fog and the
changes in our neurons and the
cells that nourish our neurons
that really allow us to think
and move. And we're learning
that because what have long
COVID has done. And so there's
two sides of this coin every
time. There's a lot of
destruction that mild and
moderate COVID can do that is on
scene, just like HIV was
destroying our immune system.
But what came out of that is
brilliant science that changed
how we treated HIV. And if
you're diagnosed today, you can
live a very normal lifespan. And
people not only survive, but
thrive, we need to get to the
place where people with long
COVID We've done the research so
that people with long COVID can
not only survive, but thrive.
Adam Curry: I mean, first of
all, the Como kid starts off
with false flag. I don't know
the context of that. But then
she ended up with survive, but
thrive, which sounds like a
marketing slogan to me, though,
and it sounds like there's some
prep, medication coming out for
long COVID or something that you
can take every day kind of like
a statin. So even if you're
infected for seven, eight years
with COVID and don't know it,
you'll survive and thrive, the
whole thing stinks.
John C Dvorak: And she does not
know how to bring it up as a
marketing phrase. Although they
could it would be funny if the
drug was just ivermectin
Adam Curry: in a capsule. She
also I mean, first of all, she
says, we didn't know HIV people
had. I mean, she was on the HIV
team with Fauci. So these people
are experts in in all of this
stuff. And, you know, I was
close to a lot of that. And, you
know, there was no seven eight
years was like, Oh, you got
AIDS, you're gonna die. And then
they were they went into
hospital, they gave him AZT, a
cancer failed cancer drug, which
is what you said, Well, we
learned a lot about cancer from
age. Yeah, we learned that AZT
is a bad drug. It was killed. It
was killing this whole thing
stinks. We got to keep our eye
on Burks now that we are done
with her I'm surprised and maybe
because she's involved with
death that she looks like that.
You think it's the black energy
from from people hating her but
I think she's just around death
medicine all day around death
ideas. Maybe it's disturbing.
Okay, I need to talk about Brett
and Heather.
John C Dvorak: Because I go Get
to note that Jay Jay that
somebody said to notes Oh, dude,
Adam Curry: I got 20 emails. And
I have to say 19 of them. Very
nice, saying, Hey, you're wrong
about Breton. Heather, this is
the dark horse podcast. Yes,
they had we weren't wrong
because we said, you know, Hey,
dude, be we're all in on
everything in the beginning.
John C Dvorak: Well, he No, he
just did yesterday. He just
village.
Adam Curry: I have the clips.
Don't just stick with me.
John C Dvorak: Okay, all right.
So as the tweet is in there,
yeah, yes.
Adam Curry: Go ahead. Yes.
Yesterday, he tweeted, slashed
on X, whatever. I'm deleting
this tweet about masks being
great. Exactly. Because people
keep retweeting it, and it makes
me sound like a douchebag. Okay,
fine. Then he did the I think
that's the point that people
were making. They were saying,
hey, you know, they had Mayor
culpa was all over the place.
They were wrong. They're wrong.
I although I believe they were
pro j&j vaccine, they were
definitely anti mRNA. And they
woke up along the way. So you
know, there was only one person
who was like, Stop shooting
another bad cat or whatever.
Fine. I also want to point out,
people may not know, but when
they were demonetized on
YouTube, I called Brett I spoke
with him. I set up a set him up
on podcasting. 2.0 I set him up
with streaming payments,
everything and he didn't care.
So that's okay. And I'm not I'm
not insulted by that. But I
said, Look, dude, I just want to
set you up. You're doing good
stuff over here. He was thankful
he has a Bitcoin node at home.
All that stuff was set up. I did
that for him. Because I like
them, even though we make fun of
them. I mean, how can you not
cause others to just as fun to
listen to? So then a whole bunch
of as, as these emails come in,
like I want to, I don't want
people to think that we hate
them. No, we don't. We'd love
Amy Goodman to you know, just
it's fun to make fun of her. So
they did on their most recent
episode, called the Dream Team.
She had a mia culpa. And here's
a clip, I have a long bullet
Unknown: list of various of our
positions, with links to where
we first talked about them as
far as I can find in our in our
long list of Dark Horse
episodes, since May of 2020.
Here are a few of the other
things that Bret and I've given
voice to these last three years
conclusions that we came to
through observation, checking of
our assumptions, analysis and
reanalysis. Be careful though,
consider these ideas and who
knows what could happen. And I
begin with what I see is two of
our big mistakes. Early in the
pandemic, we thought that masks
were broadly effective. We were
wrong. First we spoke about the
importance of masks. And as new
evidence came in our position
changed. We spoke about that
too. We also thought that short
early and strong lockdowns had a
chance of stopping the spread of
SARS cov. Two, we were wrong
about that. I don't think
lockdowns could have worked in
part because I don't think
sufficient worldwide compliance
was possible to stop the spread.
And as much as I'm disappointed
to have handed to have landed
here. I no longer trust my
government to borrow any of my
freedoms. So it goes on and on
and on.
Adam Curry: Now, the reason why
I'm doing this is because you
brought up Brett's interview on
Tucker the other day, and I
watched the whole thing. And I
do have some comments that I'll
come back to now. The one thing
that is interesting is Brett is
not 100% against lockdowns, he
has a caveat you just heard
Heather say, I don't trust my
government. Well, welcome to The
Club. We're all on board with
that. Now, I'm not a biologist.
But I still vehemently disagree
with any type of lockdown for
any reason. And Brett has
caveats when it comes to severe
lock downs.
Unknown: So maybe this is the
point to talk about. What my
current position is on lock
downs and what I regret and what
I don't regret. With my current
position, first of all, I do not
believe that given what SARS cov
two is that there was any
potential to control certainly
not control spread and my focus
has been actually driving the
pathogen to extinction. So the
reason that I will not just
simply say, lockdowns could
never conceivably work under any
circumstances against any
pathogen is that there?
Remember, I'm a biologist, I'm
focused on a novel pathogen that
were to jump by human meddling
or some other mechanism into the
human population from some
animals source from the wet
market. That therefore starts
out at some low level but has
significant and very less. So
I'm just painting a scenario
here. We're there to be a novel
pathogen that leapt into people,
but had not yet become endemic
to humanity. If one could drive
it to extinction, in that early
phase, the value to humanity
would be incalculably large. And
I choose that, that phrasing
very carefully. The reason that
it would be incalculably large,
is that the alternative of
allowing it to run its course
and become endemic, is for it to
continue to inflict costs on
humans for as long as humans
continue to exist. So
Adam Curry: that's his Prelude.
And by the way, if you don't
know, Brett Weinstein, he's a
famous guy, he was famous, it
was evergreen University, he
took a stand against wokeness,
he got run out of the
university. And I will, there's
a lot of people who got a lot of
good information from them
during COVID, once they had
figured some stuff out, but this
lockdown thing bothers me
because what he just described
there is again, like it jumping
from a bat or from a pangolin or
whatever, then he's not against
lock downs. And he clarifies
that he thinks that lock downs
will be okay. His caveat is
what's interesting,
Unknown: there is a value to
taking a pathogen, that there's
still the potential to drive it
extinct and doing so rather than
running out the clock and
letting it become endemic. If
one had the ability to drive a
new human pathogen to
extinction, that the value of
doing so would be very high and
would be worth a significant
small, a significant but small
cost. And that is why I have
said, short, intense lockdowns.
However, I do not believe there
is a government on earth today,
at least not at any large scale,
whether a city government could
have some alternative scenario,
I don't know. But the idea that
there's a national government or
an international body on earth
today, that can be trusted with
this kind of power is
preposterous, nor do I expect to
live to see a government worthy
of trust in this regard. So but
the point is, when I have
presented this idea, I have said
it as a brief, intense lockdown,
accompanied by high quality
testing. And the idea is in this
scenario, a pathogen that spread
and burned itself out in some
short period of time, and where
in those rare cases where for
some reason it was able to
bounce around for long enough to
escape that period of weeks, you
would be able to find it with
the testing that would allow in
principle, some properly
organized body to figure out how
to drive a pathogen to
extinction and benefit humanity
tremendously. That
Adam Curry: and here's where I
want to raise a red flag.
Because when you say as a
biologist, I believe that with a
certain type of pathogen that
comes from the pangolin,
whatever, short, severe intense
lockdowns with testing, but it
should only be ordered by a
group that is not a government.
I immediately think, hey, he and
his brother or that member, the
intellectual darkweb member, all
that bullcrap. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
And I'm like, Well, what kind of
group are we talking about? Now
we go to his Tucker interview.
At the very end, he has two
interesting comments, we are
living
Unknown: some crazy story in
which things that are perfectly
obvious are still somehow have
not lodged themselves in the
official public record. And, you
know, I think that has a lot to
do with, frankly, the depth of
journalism. Yes, a lot of us are
doing jobs that we didn't train
for Heather and I are doing some
journalistic job that we
certainly didn't train for
retrained to think about
biology. And you know, we do
that in front of a camera. And
so that functions as a kind of
stand in for journalism. But the
handful of journalists who still
exist, I think, without
exception, are not
scientifically trained. Right.
You know, Matt Taibbi, Glenn
Greenwald, you don't have very
many people doing investigative
journalism and the ones who who
are doing it, they don't have
the skill set that would make
this a natural topic to
investigate. So we have to boot
up some kind of new institution
that will allow us to do this
job well. And presumably that
will involve taking the few
investigative journalists who
remember how to do that job and
the few scientists and doctors
who are willing to still do
their job and And, you know, put
us together, right podcast isn't
the right place to do it. If
that's all we got, that's all we
got. But there's got to be a
better a better method. Okay,
Adam Curry: so I think podcast
is exactly the right way to do
it. He says, We need a new kind
of group when you're new to kind
of Institute, as you know, I've
got my eye on all of these, the
information Mavericks, the info
Mavericks, they're all going on
each other shows, they have the
Westminster declaration, these
are the new journalists and, and
they're all great, no doubt
about it. But be careful,
because people get compromised.
And they and I don't think he's
a bad guy. But when he starts
talking like that, or in the
flex clip, but get a little
worried about who's talking in
his ear,
Unknown: if everybody says it's
too dangerous to stand up, you
know, I'm not suicidal, I'm, I
can't do it, then not enough
people stand up to change the
course of history. Whereas if
people somehow put aside the
obvious danger, their ability to
earn and maybe their lives of
saying what needs to be said,
then we greatly outnumber those
we are pitted against, they are
ferociously powerful. But I
would also point out this
interesting error. So I call the
force that we're up against
Goliath, just so I kind of
remember what the battle is
Adam Curry: just that he's going
biblical. But this is his
version of Vai. It's Goliath is
Unknown: they, Goliath made a
terrible mistake. And it made it
most egregiously during COVID,
which is, it took all of the
competent people took all of the
courageous people, and it shoved
them out of the institutions
where they were hanging out. And
it created in so doing, the
Dream Team, created every player
you could possibly want on your
team to fight some historic
battle against a terrible evil.
All of those people are now at
least somewhat awake. They've
now been picked on by the same
enemy. And yeah, all right,
we're outgunned. It has a
tremendous amount of power, but,
but we've got all of the people
who know how to think. So I hate
to say it, or maybe I like to
say it, but I don't think it's a
slam dunk, but I like our
Adam Curry: odds. So he's
talking about a dream team. And
now he's gotten a lot of
pushback from people like who
determines dreams, I don't care.
But I also got a couple of notes
from people and remember the
word Institute boots something
up Dream Team. People starting
to point me towards the Santa Fe
Institute. You ever heard of
this outfit? The Santa Fe? What
do you know about them? What do
you know about the Santa Fe
offhand?
John C Dvorak: I can't tell you,
but I do know about them. I've
looked into them before and
every time I do something about
them, I don't like well,
Adam Curry: they have 8980 to 90
billion a million dollars a year
coming in. That's a nice money.
It's run by this Krakow guy who
is a evolutionary biologist.
That's the same discipline as as
Brett. So I'm going to the
homepage. I'm just looking
around, you know, oh, MIDI Rs in
there. Lots of people on the
board from banks, big venture
funds a lot
John C Dvorak: of money, first
against the Council of Foreign
relationship. didn't
Adam Curry: do that. But on the
homepage, it says a dream team
of scientists prize winning
ecologist physicist biolog
biologists and others from
Harvard to Vienna. And so I'm
thinking he's being sucked into
something. Yeah, sounds like it
to me. And it looks like a bunch
of transhumanism people be up
now, and I don't like it. I
don't like it. I don't like it.
Don't like, I'm just you know,
and again, it's not a slam
against that these people are
not deserved very fine people.
This might say, very fine
people. Now the only other end
so that's all I got to say about
him. I got my eye on them. Be
careful what you're doing
Britain Heather. The only thing
that breaks my heart breaks my
heart is they got demonetized
they were counting on you know,
they were in growth mode. They
are they're they're they're
doubling and they got screwed by
YouTube. Basically. Now they I
think they have some half deal
with rumble and locals do
everybody. It's the same. By the
way. It's the same. Same thing.
We're Glenn Greenwald goes,
everybody goes to rumble and
locals rumble bought locals. So
there's all that cabal going on.
Yep, that's where the Russell
Brand everybody goes over there.
Podcasting is not going to do
it. Okay. That's fine. I'm a
little heartbroken because they
remembered two intellectuals
they their evolutionary biology
just smart people who think
podcasting is no good podcasting
2.0 You know don't go for value
for value. What breaks my heart
is what they're actually doing
to make money.
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really want to make the
advertiser feel happy about the
read the end, this was a very
good read Heather, dog food, but
we really wanted that sponsor to
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Unknown: Not only that, but in
some sort of mini collapse
scenario. If you ended up having
to share your dog's food. You
will be so glad somedays I speak
from experience. I mean, not
from the mini Apocalypse
experience, but from the having
tried it and that's good.
And not also from getting down
on the ground and eating from
her bowl, which is gross. Oh,
also on dignified, I mean, just
really bad. necessarily
stuff all
John C Dvorak: around his neck
and make some meat.
Unknown: That's true. But that
was more dignified than you
would you would imagine. Yeah.
Much better, much more
dignified. It
was a little badass at some
level. Right? And I mean, you
were only taking your word for
it.
I guess that's true. Yeah, I
didn't see it. Sure. Well, I
might have to repeat it.
On camera even. All right. All
right.
John C Dvorak: Oh my god. But
Unknown: here we go. I have not
tasted it. But it looks edible.
It is. Yeah, it is.
John C Dvorak: Oh, geez. Okay,
I'll give you a clip of the day
for drink get dredging, that
clip. On dredging being the
operative word here.
Adam Curry: That breaks my heart
breaks my heart. Go value for
value people stop right away.
Stop it.
John C Dvorak: Well, these
instance series because it's a
big deal, you know, you have to
have the host read post read ad.
Which, by the way, I've always
thought, in my opinion, a
professionally produced ad by an
ad agency who knows how to sell
as opposed to a host reading a
script is always the way to go.
But no, no, no, no, not in these
these audio context and radio
podcasting the rest of it? Oh,
no. Host Red Hat. Maybe there's
some big thing about it. I you
would know better than I Why
won't exist ever come up in the
conversation. I can
Adam Curry: tell you why because
code bond Gino. You can track
it. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's DRS
direct response is not the same
as an ad. It's direct response
to
John C Dvorak: a direct response
ad.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well,
John C Dvorak: believe me
commercials that. Okay. The
Adam Curry: answer is the CPM is
much higher. If you if it's a
host read ad.
John C Dvorak: That's the
answer. Is that been documented?
Adam Curry: Oh, extensively. The
CPM for host read ad for these
guys. I'd say it's about 20
bucks. So per 1000 people. They
John C Dvorak: have a million so
they make $40 on that ad?
Adam Curry: No, no, that I'm
sure they're doing okay. But you
know, they're talking about
eating dog food, which gives me
a whole new insight into their
private life. That I didn't need
to know. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I don't think
anyone that needed to know any
of that anyway, and then they
went on and on about it. That's
what it was bad. I cut out
Adam Curry: most of it. Believe
me. We I made another mistake.
It's a week of mistakes.
Confusing. Ian Bremmer, with
Paul Yammer, sorry about you
know what, and I keep doing
this.
John C Dvorak: I know, this
mistake I thought was
acceptable. Because it's a
mistake that is easy to make.
Yeah, but I've done it
Adam Curry: before.
John C Dvorak: And you've done
it. You do it? Yeah. I'm feel
dumb. Just just say Bremmer
don't well, but I ran but I went
I Bremmer,
Adam Curry: but I went into he's
the guy that had the stacks of
cash in Iraq, and that was Paul
Bremmer, Paul Bremmer, Ian
Bremmer of the Eurasia
Institute, whatever he is now
all over the place can't get
away from him. And he was on
CNN, talking smack about the
president. The
John C Dvorak: Iranians are now
have several of their proxies in
the region that are engaged in
escalating war against the
United States and Israel. I
mean, that's the big concern. I
mean, oil prices up 4% But
they're still under 80 bucks.
That concern For the United
States is what happens if we end
up in direct conflict with Iran,
then we're talking about 150 or
200 minutes of global recession,
both and Biden is going to lose.
But it started with nuisance
strikes in response to what
we're seeing as nuisance
attacks. That's what the White
House was privately saying, now
we have more significant target
attacks against but anyway,
Adam Curry: so his whole thing
was if oil goes up, he says
Biden will lose
John C Dvorak: IOC how oil is
going to be the determining
factor and Biden losing or
winning.
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
what Bremmer said some sort of a
threat well, I'll just keep that
a climate change for a second
because we have lots of climate
change news by the way,
John C Dvorak: but before we
jump to climate change, I was
staying with the Middle East
because I have a three by three
that refers to exactly what he
was talking about.
Adam Curry: Three by three maybe
five JC D we're comparing
comparing stories from ABC, CBS
and NBC three never ending free
by free Which to me looks like
we have an anomaly today.
John C Dvorak: I suggested to
the Joneses, the Joe Hart Jones,
the slip collector, your dad
Steve Jones, yes, Steve A that
we add a one foreign element to
see if the if the
internationalization of the
bogus same script news actually
goes overseas and shows up at
the BBC or shows up on Deutsche
rail or shows up on France 24
Adam Curry: It ruins that would
be interesting. It ruins the
jingle.
John C Dvorak: No, it's the sea
bass a three by three plus you
just say the word plus How about
Adam Curry: three extra
John C Dvorak: strikes dry extra
extra. Let's start with NBC.
Adam Curry: Oh NBC Today Okay.
Wow.
Unknown: After the Pentagon says
a punishing series of US and
British strikes destroyed more
than 60 Houthi military targets
in Yemen. The first sign of
retaliation, the Iranian backed
militia saying they won't stop
attacking ships firing an anti
ship ballistic missile into the
red sea but hitting nothing.
President Biden was pressed.
What would he do if Houthi
attacks don't stop?
We will make sure that we
respond to his outrageous
behavior along with our allies.
President Biden has been under
pressure to act following months
of Houthi attacks on commercial
ships in the Red Sea through
which the US says 15% of global
sea trade travels including oil
supplies, and some companies had
begun avoiding the Red Sea a
costly disruption. Last night's
operation included US and
British warplane British
dropping bombs and US Navy ships
including a submarine firing
Tomahawk missiles, more than 150
precision guided bombs and
missiles in all, the White House
says they demolished Houthi
ballistic missile launchers,
ammunition warehouses, air
defense radars and more. The
targets
we chose were all valid
legitimate targets that went
right at the Houthis ability to
store to launch and to guide
President Biden writing the
strikes send a clear message
that the United States and our
partners will not tolerate
attacks on our personnel or that
imperil freedom of navigation.
But tonight, Iran who supplies
the Houthis with money, weapons
and intelligence condemned the
strikes saying they are fueling
instability in the region.
Curiosity. I do Meanwhile,
President Biden criticizing
defense secretary Lloyd Austin
for keeping his hospitalization
secret. Austin did not tell the
president or the public for days
that he was off the job and in
intensive care for prostate
cancer treatment. Yes. Okay.
Long
John C Dvorak: report. Too long.
But these are all kind of long,
but have we seen Austin sets
yet? No.
Adam Curry: I need to see him on
the balcony. Wait, you
John C Dvorak: think that's
peculiar? Yes.
Adam Curry: Two bits of data
there. One is was likely not a
full on the but operation,
prostate removal but a partial.
So they probably went through
the urethra to do that
operation. That's how we'd
likely got the UTI. That's one
piece of data. And the other
piece which is kind of
interesting. I don't know this
is kind of a book by the book
guy, as we know from his stellar
military career was that most
men up to four star general in
the in the military. They have
some kind of code where they
don't talk about their their
their issues, their medical
issues or any kind of issue and
so would not be out although I
think it's incorrect for For the
Secretary of Defense, and I'm
not defending his action for him
to not talk to anybody about it
because you know, us tough guys
we just bear down do it, get it
done with and go back to work.
John C Dvorak: day he seems like
a tough guy with his double
masking is a big deal over his
face. Tough guy.
Adam Curry: Okay, again, not
defending just giving you the
info.
John C Dvorak: Let's go to Mary
Bruce. She's on ABC giving the
exact same report.
Unknown: Tonight new video of
the massive US led strikes
against Iranian backed militants
in Yemen more than 60 Houthi
targets hit across 28 locations.
It's the largest US strike in
the Middle East in years, a wave
of 80 Tomahawk cruise missiles
launched from Navy ships and a
submarine backed by fighter
jets. Tonight the Houthis vowing
revenge firing a missile towards
another ship today but missing
as a sea of protesters took to
the streets in Yemen's Capitol
burning American and Israeli
flag. British forces joining the
US assault releasing video of
explosions destroying Houthi
facilities, the Pentagon saying
they degraded the Houthis
capabilities, taking out weapons
depots radar and surveillance
systems as well as attack drones
hoping to cripple the militants
ability to continue terrorizing
the Red Sea. New satellite
images revealing the aftermath
buildings flattened
clearly and the intent here is
for the US and the UK to take
out any military capability that
the Houthis might have to
continue to harass shipping in
the Red Sea
since mid November the Houthis
have launched at least 27
attacks, claiming they are
retaliating for Israel's war
against Hamas, disrupting one of
the most vital shipping routes
in the world. President Biden
today saying the strikes were
successful. Adding Iran the
Houthis backers got the message
have already
delivered the message they know.
But the attack is exactly the
kind of escalation the White
House had been hoping to avoid.
But the President says he's not
ruling out taking additional
measures. And tonight President
Biden is standing by his defense
secretary Lloyd Austin, who as
this attack was being planned
was hospitalized being treated
for prostate cancer, something
he concealed from the president
for several days. But tonight
The White House says Austin was
fully engaged and that he
participated and that it was
seamless
John C Dvorak: to the same thing
why do they structure both
stories exactly the same with
the Austin little kicker at the
end? If they're not in
collusion?
Adam Curry: Or if they're not
just lame and getting all their
information? Yeah, with one
package from one place no
John C Dvorak: I agree that in
fact Yes, that's been well
established. They're getting
their packages from one place
but that doesn't account for the
structure of the story. Why the
Austin kicker at the end of both
stories
Adam Curry: Nothing to see here
people don't be afraid he's
alive and well I can't come up
with a reason for it may have a
reason but I don't want to
interrupt your three by three.
John C Dvorak: So let's go with
CBS and this is our we always
end with CBS we
Unknown: repeated ultimatums
gays at the exact same
Adam Curry: the exact same
beginning with the same image me
here the end let me hear the ABC
again. I'm here ABC. Tonight new
video let me hear the end. NBC
Unknown: ultimatums gave way to
military action overnight is F
18. fighter jets and support
aircraft lead the way in a
bombing campaign against Iranian
backed Houthi militants,
including the use of US warships
and a submarine. British typhoon
fighters took off from bases in
Cyprus covering a distance so
long they needed refueling
aircraft. Cockpit footage is
said to show airstrikes aimed at
degrading Houthi capabilities
and weapons stocks. US Military
officials say more than 150
precision guided munitions
struck over 60 targets at nearly
30 locations, including command
centers, missile and drone
launch sites and air defense
systems. Today in Yemen, 1000s
of demonstrators turned out in
the capitol burning US flags and
chanting God is Great Death to
America Death to Israel. Well in
Yeah, what we're doing with the
leaders have already said
American aggression will not go
unpunished, and that attacks in
the Red Sea will continue. And
the US government has confirmed
that Iranian forces themselves
seized an oil tanker off the
coast of Oman, carrying US
sanction crude oil, raising
tensions even further between
American forces and adversaries
in the region. I'm setting the
stage for more confrontations to
come. With that in mind,
national security Spokesman John
Kirby said we're not interested
in a war with Yemen or a
conflict of any kind.
And yet, Charlie, clearly this
is a widening conflict. What do
we know about Secretary of
Defense Lloyd Austin? I know he
is still hospitalized here in
Washington. But what about his
role in this operation? Yet?
Well,
nor the White House has made
clear that Austin was fully
engaged in ordering the stripe
President Biden told reporters
today he remained confident in
his defense secretary, but he
agreed that Austin displayed a
lack of judgment in not
informing the President about
his hospitalization, or cancer
treatment.
John C Dvorak: You know, it just
is just so peculiar to me. Well,
Adam Curry: I want you to
complete the extra part of the
three by three and then we'll
see if we can come up with some
answers. But it's
John C Dvorak: the BBC is going
to have to be different because
they can't be dealing with the
exact same people and they don't
and they don't produce over
produced the news like we do and
so So will there be any pops and
bombs and jets taking off? Well,
let's find out.
Unknown: We know what US
officials informed can group
sorry. By night, the US and
Britain supported by Australia,
but rain Canada and the
Netherlands have carried out
missile strikes on Houthi
targets, reportedly hitting the
capital Sana and the port of
Hodeidah. The White House
confirmed the strikes in a
statement.
These targeted strikes are a
clear message that the United
States and our partners will not
tolerate attacks on our
personnel cue or allow hostile
actors to imperil freedom of
navigation in one of the world's
most critical commercial routes.
Our Washington correspondent
told me more about the Allied
military strikes, we heard in
that White House statement that
these strikes were according to
the President's successful and a
direct response to what he
called unprecedented Hootie
attacks against international
shipping. We shortly thereafter,
heard from the US Defense
Secretary Lloyd Austin, he said
whatever strikes targeted the
Hutus drone and missile
capabilities, as well as coastal
radar and air surveillance
systems. And the Reuters news
agency said that there had been
a number of explosions quoted
witnesses saying they had seen
and heard explosions. But I
think the narrative that we're
going to see play out in the
next few days is that this is a
defensive mission. Indeed, we've
just heard from a senior
administration official here in
Washington who said that we have
no doubt that ships would have
been struck, perhaps even sunk,
including, in one case, a
commercial ship full of jet
fuel, which is quite a
frightening prospect, isn't it?
So I think that that's going to
be the messaging from the White
House from the Pentagon in the
next few days that the US was
forced into this in order to
protect itself and its allies.
Wow.
Adam Curry: How was really
boring. It
John C Dvorak: was boring,
didn't have any net pops.
Nothing. Zero. NAT POP knows she
Adam Curry: wishes? No. But
John C Dvorak: they did some
analysis and but they wouldn't
do what we did. He said we
talked to Lloyd, nobody's talked
to Lloyd all he
Adam Curry: said he did I heard
him say is a liar. Do you think
he's a liar? It has to be I
think this thing may have
something to do and Austin being
on the scene or not, may have
something to do with the war war
powers resolution. The President
has no you can't the I know
this. Shocker, everybody, but
only Congress can declare war.
But the minute the president
sends force into inactive enacts
force at this level, certainly
we all show that he has to
notify Congress within 48 hours
and then you get 60 days, the
clock starts ticking. And I
believe during that time, the
President is fully in charge.
And and he can can call all the
shots you don't need Austin for
anything. So anyway, here's a
CNN had a little bit about the
War Powers.
Unknown: You know what US
officials informed congressional
leadership in advance of the
strikes that they were going to
be happening. However, you did
hear from some Democrats, House
Democrats in particular, who are
raising serious concerns about
the legal authority behind this
thing using the words
retaliatory and defensive were
very intentional. We'll see the
legal rationale soon from the
administer ministration
particularly what ro Khanna the
congressman from California had
to set the Constitution requires
that if there is not an imminent
threat of self defense that he
has to come to Congress. And
here we know about your own
reporting that this has been
going on since December. He's
assembled an entire
international coalition. He
certainly should have come to
Congress so that we can discuss
whether this actually could put
more American troops at risk.
I'm concerned about retaliation
in Iraq, and whether it could
draw us into a Middle East war
that we could have us Next, our
discussion about war powers and
how this has been operated over
the course of several decades
moving away from Congress. Do
you think those concerns have
merit? There is some merit to
them. But the fact that matter
is the War Powers Act has very
rarely been used in advance of
these things. What you'll see is
the President issue was a
notification probably in the
next few hours about why he
engaged here. I don't think the
President's gonna have a hard
time making a case because it
was just a week ago that we saw
some of the cooties open fire on
US Navy helicopters. And they
responded by sinking those three
ships. And then there were
barraged with 21 missiles and
drones that came in the
direction of American forces. I
think the President's gonna be
able to establish a pretty good
case for why he took these out
on the ground
John C Dvorak: Well, first of
all the BBC in the three by
three mentioned self defense
emphasized that he did so yeah,
that was mentioned they didn't
count they did Yeah, they did.
Well, so that so the self
defense thing is fine then you
can just use that and you don't
have to deal with any of this
which I think is what they're
gonna do.
Adam Curry: How about this one
more thing?
John C Dvorak: Was it the ship
the tanker whatever the hell it
was captured by the Houthis How
can we just don't go take that
back? We got battleships there
we why don't we just boy don't
battleships anymore but we have
plenty of firepower we could go
surround that ship and take
those guys off of there when we
do that said
Adam Curry: sure it's a tourist
attraction because his bull
crowd comes Hey, man, it was a
GoPro with horizon correction.
Listen. How about this just
first scenario Lloyd Austin is
actually a by the book kind of
guy I'm just just throwing it
out there we can laugh all we
want diversity hired cetera it's
all fine. He was definitely
respected within the ranks. He
he actually got a you know, the,
you're supposed to have a
civilian running the US
military, they got a special
exemption from Congress so that
he can become the defense
secretary. What if he is the guy
that you know, I got, I'm gonna
have I got bought cancer,
prostate removal, I'm just gonna
bear down do it. We'll be home
in a day. It's like I can do
this is what we military men do.
Maybe he is by the book guy. And
there are elements who would
like we need to have this war,
we need to be striking the
Houthis we don't want to deal
with stupid Congress. We don't
want anybody in our way. The
President is brain dead. And
probably a little bit worried
that one of these days his his
advisors and consultants are
going to say, hey, you know,
your genocide Joe, you got
people outside the White House
1000s of people protesting,
you're gonna lose the election,
we're gonna lose our butts here.
You got to stop this or do
something and the MRC comes in
and says, ah, get Austin out of
the way. Boom, get them out of
the way. So we can just go Go,
go go go fire, who knows who
gave the order for this? We
could be under complete military
industrial complex control at
this point, doing whatever they
want. That's just another
scenario. I'm not saying that. I
John C Dvorak: I wish I had a
strong argument against it.
Well,
Adam Curry: there is always of
course, peace. I'd love to make
peace. I know. I'd love to make
peace profitable. Again. I have
thought but that's not for this
show. That we have the two state
solution. We also have something
new which Fox 21 news came up
with. Secretary
Unknown: of State Antony Blinken
is pressuring both sides and the
Gaza conflict to come together
as the war grinds on with no end
in sight. Blinking is pushing
for an agreement into a
political solution that would
lead to a Palestinian state with
significant changes to the
current leadership that you
state solution is also a key
domain Come on,
John C Dvorak: man. Did you hear
it? The Jewish state solution
Adam Curry: do state solution
Unknown: so the current
leadership that you state
solution is also a key because
that's
Adam Curry: the best gaff ever
there it is. There's the juice
state solution that's that's the
answer. As always,
John C Dvorak: I am definitely
not one to pick on people for
that sort of thing. In
Adam Curry: the Middle East we
know the argument really is only
about one thing.
John C Dvorak: Oil Pipelines No.
Two things no is nothing no. Who
make dates,
Adam Curry: who makes better
hummus.
Unknown: Guys, for to orange
hummus in San Francisco South of
Market neighborhood proudly
serves Israeli cuisine but
Friday morning when the general
manager opened up shop, he was
greeted with this message. Do
you condemn your hummus spray
painted on the ground at the
front entrance. And on nearby
utility poles flyers were
posted. They called for a
boycott of six eateries that are
being described as really food
and sinus businesses in San
Francisco. We were
very shocked. Right? We're very
shocked. And the main thing is
we're concerned about the safety
of our team and the people that
work for us.
General Manager Randy O'Connor
says he has 45 employees at this
location. He tells me three
weeks earlier, similar flyers
were posted on the windows of
the restaurants Palo Alto
location, Connor says while this
is a Jewish owned business, the
focus is solely on food, not
politics, or
in Thomas was created just to
share the food from the region.
Right we serve great hummus and
we do it well. The flyers
are posted in front of other
Jewish owned businesses in
various neighborhoods, including
Chinatown. People tell me off
camera that they saw a large
group of young people
participating in a pro Palestine
demonstration against Israel
posting these flyers along
various streets on Wednesday. We
saw city workers removing some
flyers Friday night. condemn
Adam Curry: your hummus.
John C Dvorak: Sky have had good
hummus,
Adam Curry: yes, I've had good
hummus too. I
John C Dvorak: was taken to a
restaurant in Jaffa and
specifically to have the hummus
which is made daily by a bunch
of old ladies in the basement
grinding away by hand and mortar
and pestles to get the
consistency. That's perfect. And
I will say that good. Hamas is
pretty spectacular.
Adam Curry: No argument. You
should
John C Dvorak: know that I had a
Hamas good hum. And I had I had
a good Hamas in Los Angeles. At
a I think it was a Palestinian
restaurant. not absolutely sure.
But it was a very obscure little
place, it was near a b&b that we
were all staying at. And the
hummus there was just like this,
this stuff I had in Israel. And
it was she was just I want to if
I'd go daily, I'm gonna drive
past her and get some to go.
Adam Curry: Hamas from the
region should be the title of
the book. Hamas from the region.
Let's stay in the San Francisco
region for a moment. Nancy
Pelosi is backyard she's out and
promoting and talking and for
Biden against Trump. And she's
on CNN. And it's always fun,
because Nancy is just a bundle
of laughs in
Unknown: the election year. And
the President has been working
very hard over the past three
years to do what is necessary to
meet the needs of the American
people. Now he can go talk about
it. And he has a lot to say,
people have to know because
their kitchen table needs are
what are important to them. And
the democracy message relates to
the kitchen table democracy is a
personal issue, freedom of
choice to have a win. And if you
have a family freedom to to
enjoy your work have knowing you
have a pension so that your
family will be secure the
education of your children the
safety of the environment in
which they live, he scores very
high on all of those points. And
many people are appreciating and
enjoying it. They just are not
giving him credit for it. And
this is what we have to do now
is to make sure that not only
the president, but other
validators come forward to to
say what he's done. But what's
really important to people is
what he is going to do. Nobody
votes for you for what you've
done, right? They want to know
what comes next, what you
John C Dvorak: raise prices more
in what universe
Adam Curry: is that? Everybody
votes for what you've done, how
does she even come up with this
bogus nonsense, but he's gonna
do if you
Unknown: look at the legislative
record that you were detailing
the President had in the first
two years and the way that an
individual basis, every single
piece that you laid out their
polls quite well. And yet, this
is a neck and neck race. And no
one feels very comfortable on
the Democratic side of things
that Donald Trump isn't going to
be the next president.
But I don't think that nobody
feels I think many of us know
that it's impossible. For him to
be the president again, what
we're proposing will be
constantly new talking about
what he's talking about now is
more tax cuts for corporate
America and taking them down so
low to the detriment of our
budget and meeting the needs of
people that people have to know.
I have said over and over again.
President LinkedIn said public
sentiment is everything right
with it, you can accomplish
almost anything without it.
Practically nothing. But public
sentiment has to be informed. We
will have to know so we can talk
more about what he is on what it
means at the kitchen table for
people to have lower costs for
prescription drugs, lower costs
for health care, because it's
not just about their good
health, it's about their
financial health and security as
well. This
Adam Curry: is so wrong from a
consultant standpoint. First of
all, kitchen table. I mean, what
that was, that was the days of
Roosevelt. No one cares about
your kitchen table issue.
Second, bringing up the the
racist, Abraham Lincoln. How can
they be using him?
John C Dvorak: That makes no
sense is a rambling she's lost
it. There is,
Adam Curry: however, an
important important change. We
have a hero coming to the rescue
to help Joe Biden, US
Unknown: climate envoy and
former Secretary of State John
Kerry is leaving the Biden
administration later this winter
to join the President's
reelection campaign. Kerry, who
ran for president in 2004, was
instrumental in helping to
broker the 2015 Paris Climate
Agreement. Yeah,
Adam Curry: you know, when I'm
thinking I'm thinking he's going
to help Joe. And, you know, I
might have a shot and 2028. Care
Carrie wants to be president.
He's he's getting in. He's
getting in the game.
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm sure
you're right about he wants to
be president. Yes, but nobody
wants him to be president. He
said him and his wife.
Adam Curry: Yes, of course. But
this front, and you know, the
only problem is we have a
moratorium, we just we can't do
anything with the guy and we
can't play clips. He's boring.
He just usually does nothing
good to
John C Dvorak: say you have
busted the moratorium more than
a few times. I'm
Adam Curry: trying to keep
myself away from it. Well, it's
too bad. We'll miss him on the
climate stage. He's all he's
always the guy who buys the
drinks at the COP. You know,
he's he's got money. He's got
the credit card. He's got he's
got the White House credit card,
John C Dvorak: Bourbon credit
card, and as soon as he jet
Adam Curry: so I found two
individual stories on let me
see. I'm gonna make it right.
One about Germany from Deutsche
Avella. And then another one
from France. 24. And I just
thought this was very peculiar.
They're both like eight minute
pieces. I just took the intro
from each and we start knows we
know Germany is losing their
industry. They shut all the coal
plants that have no way to
John C Dvorak: right yeah, they
shut down the nuclear plants and
everything,
Adam Curry: everything. So they
have the whole open. So they
have the furnaces, they make
steel, all this stuff is a very
energy intensive, and they have
a solution.
Unknown: It is a massive
industry that needs phasing out.
Over the next few decades, the
global fossil fuel industry will
change and changing with it
opportunities, jobs and even
prosperity. But one region in
Germany could be a poster child
for how to do this transition.
And if I can contribute to
driving this hydrogen
production, I'll be extremely
proud of myself. If it doesn't
work
John C Dvorak: in the rural
region, it will work anywhere.
Unknown: The look of it used to
be Germany's powerhouse with
coal mines and steel
manufacturing. Now, it turns to
hydrogen to transform his local
economy to
cost a lot of money. That's for
sure.
Adam Curry: So the idea now is
we're going to use as we
predicted, as we've been on this
tip, we're going to use clean
hydrogen, hydrogen to power the
furnaces of Germany the
industrial engine of the
European Union. Where will we
get this hydrogen is rogue good.
Where will we get this hydrogen
from? France? 24 has an answer
theory
Unknown: deep underground and
unexpected source of carbon free
energy. France, scientists have
uncovered vast deposits of
natural hydrogen, one of the
cleanest fuels in nature, the
discovery could be the biggest
of its kind so far, spurring a
global energy race for the field
of the future.
Adam Curry: So how about that
the guys who fight the world
wars France or Germany? Germany
needs the hydrogen France
apparently has just discovered
the mother lode of hydrogen. I
John C Dvorak: would like some
chemists out there to tell or
somebody is in the business of
steelmaking to tell me how
hydrogen can be can get to the
temperatures of coal and Coke,
which just get to enormous
temperatures when they're
burning, as opposed to hydrogen,
which is actually kind of a mild
flame.
Adam Curry: This is why there's
two of us.
John C Dvorak: I just want
somebody to tell me what how
they're going to do it. I don't
know.
Adam Curry: Got an emergency
alert this morning. Just stick
it on the climate change tip.
emergency alert from Alberta,
Canada. This is an emergency
alert issued by the AMA. This
alert is in effect for AB
Alberta. Extreme cold resulting
in high power demand has placed
the Alberta grid at a high risk
of rotating power outages this
evening. Albertans are asked to
immediately limit their
electricity use to essential
needs only turn off unnecessary
lights and electrical
appliances, minimize the use of
space heaters delay use of major
power appliances, and do not
charge your electrical vehicles.
John C Dvorak: Don't charge your
car. That way. If all hell
breaks loose, you won't be able
to go anywhere
Adam Curry: and you're dead. By
the way. If you're in Texas
enjoy your Eevee they don't have
the same range when it's this
cold. They have no range when
it's that cold got to have some
range, you can get to the next
John C Dvorak: plug, you can
maybe get to the next plug
charging station if you're
lucky.
Adam Curry: Hertz is going to
sell 20,000 EVs because
customers don't like him. Yeah,
you can get a good deal though.
You can get a Tesla for 18
grand.
John C Dvorak: Oh, it's not bad.
Is it a three though those
things are ugly.
Adam Curry: And the EPA finally
set out the rules for proposed
methane fee for waste generated
by oil and natural gas
companies. This is a scandal.
oil and natural gas companies
for the first time would have to
pay a fee for methane emissions
that exceeds certain levels
under a rule proposed Friday by
the Biden administration. And
this is because they presume or
maybe assume that they all that
these companies always leak
methane, which is not true. And
I told him I talked to the oil
baron or sent him this link. My
buddy the oil baron. He says oh
yeah, he gave me the numbers
says the EPA wants to find them.
$8 million. He says I'm able to
talk it down to five but we
can't you know, show me where
we're leaking is just an algo
they just said oh you it's this
big yearly hand this. You have
to be leaking. Well,
John C Dvorak: that's what Adele
ago says. Oh, yeah, exactly. You
have to be Lea. Well, we're not
leaking. Well, you have to be
leaking. Well, we're not you
can't find any leaks. No, no,
no, that's not what the computer
says. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Computer says no. I
mean, that's that's not the
future. Yeah, definitely.
John C Dvorak: So we had the
Taiwan election. I have some
clips. Okay. The Taiwanese did
not elect the Chinese guy. The
Chinese were they're all
Chinese. But the Chinese guy who
is pro China even though this
may or may not cause a problem
is
Adam Curry: like the guy who was
who was anti China, right? Well,
John C Dvorak: yeah, but he's
not that anti China. It's really
anti China. They just don't want
to be
Adam Curry: if you're anti
China, you're dead is basically
the idea. Yeah, they're just
John C Dvorak: China, China
skeptic in terms of China taking
over the place. Okay, actually
enjoy after all these years.
Having a little of democracy
there that seems to work. And
they're all so much more. The
per capita income and the per
capita wealth in that country is
higher than it is in China
score, Taiwan election PBS,
Unknown: elitist voices of
America. This is NPR. We're PBS
Taiwanese voters rebuffed China
by electing as president a
candidate who rejects China's
claim of sovereignty over
Taiwan. The victory of light
chain gives the ruling party an
unprecedented third presidential
term, in his victory speech lie
promise to safeguard Taiwan's
autonomy. So,
for instance, you we are telling
the international community that
between democracy and
authoritarianism we stand on the
side of democracy, Taiwan will
continue to walk side by side
with democracies from around the
world.
China responded with a statement
saying Taiwan is China's Taiwan.
This election will not change
the basic landscape. The Biden
administration congratulated ly,
but responding to a reporter's
question this morning, President
Biden said the United States
does not support independence
for Taiwan lies to be
configurated in May row.
Adam Curry: Okay. Well,
John C Dvorak: it turns out that
that's what he's been saying all
along, but the Taiwanese do some
reading, they seem to think that
they get they're already
independent. They don't need
anybody's, you know. Anybody's
saying they are. I
Adam Curry: mean, to me, it
seems like China is pretty
clear. They want to have a very
nice calm integration of Taiwan
into China eventually,
John C Dvorak: that's where my
guess is, but let's go there
now. Have some analysis from the
same PBS station
Adam Curry: that says is that
the I'm sorry? Oh, yes.
Unknown: Here we go. What that
says is that the KMT itself is
not speaking.
Adam Curry: I'm so sorry. I put
him in the wrong order to here's
one.
Unknown: The Taiwanese
presidential election has big
implications for both Beijing
and Washington. President Elect
Lai Ching, also known as William
rejects Beijing's claim of
sovereignty.
Adam Curry: That was great. The
Taiwanese
Unknown: presidential election
has big implications for both
Beijing and Washington.
President Elect Lai Ching, also
known as William rejects
Beijing's claim of sovereignty
over Taiwan. Earlier, Ali Rogen
spoke with destiny, Ellen
Ebrahimian, the China reporter
for Axios, who's based in
Taiwan, what were the issues
that Taiwanese voters were most
concerned with? And what do
those issues say about the fact
that William y has won? Well,
Taiwanese voters in this
election as with every
presidential election, we're
concerned about cross strait
relations in Taiwan's
presidential elections. The the
relationship with China is
always a key issue. And that was
certainly the case this year.
Over the past year or so the
Chinese government has been
increasingly aggressive in its
coercive actions towards Taiwan.
And so voters and the parties
themselves made that a key issue
the KMT cast this election as a
choice between war and peace.
Vote for the KMT is a vote for
peace with China. They said a
vote for the DPP as a vote for
war. Whereas the DPP cast this
as an election that was a choice
between democracy and
authoritarianism, with a rising
China, you know, a sort of
specter of authoritarianism
looming over Taiwan. But those
weren't the only issues. You
know, basically on the ballot
this year, the economy,
unemployment, and high home
prices were also very much on
voters minds. Now, the fact that
the DPP one part of that has to
do with the fact that this year
for the first time, there was a
very significant third party on
the ballot, that's the Taiwan
People's Party and their
candidate Cohen and Cohen Jaya
got more than 20% of the vote,
which is unprecedented. Now he
was pulling mostly from the KMT.
So if the TPP had not run, then
it's possible we would have seen
a KMT victory.
John C Dvorak: Light that was a
reference to what's going to
happen when Kennedy runs. What
do you mean, he's gonna take
votes away from one of these two
candidates with one?
Adam Curry: Light trunk light
Ching T, also known as William,
but you can call him Bill.
Willie? Hmm.
John C Dvorak: All right. We
have just said the second part
of this and rapid. What
Unknown: that says is that the
KMT itself is not speaking to
Taiwanese voters, they still
think that they still say that a
close relationship with China is
the best way to guarantee Taiwan
security. Most Taiwanese voters
or many Taiwanese voters just
don't feel that that's true
anymore. Hmm.
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, we
clearly we don't want a war with
China. We don't want that. It's
not gonna happen. We're not
selling anything. Taiwan's not
buying much a couple f6 teens? I
mean, it's much better in the
region. Where Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, sorry.
John C Dvorak: I think that the
whole idea that there's going to
be a war, any minute is
overblown. I think that's just
done to sell more stuff. No,
Adam Curry: we're just gonna
continue blowing stuff up in the
region. And the Red Sea is
great. And the you know, just
have to make sure oil doesn't go
up, but doesn't even matter.
Because it doesn't matter. You
know, it just came out of my
mouth. But I think the military
industrial complex is running
everything right now. They're
not gonna waste their time in
Taiwan against China.
John C Dvorak: Not too, too
risky,
Adam Curry: way too risky. No.
All right, well, take a break.
Well,
John C Dvorak: I want to play my
one clip of footage from a
congressman bitching about to
TSA just to get into the clip.
This is Wesley hunt.
Unknown: Yes, it was created
after 911 to oversee security
and all modes of transportation,
including aviation safety. As an
American, you know, we have to
go through security screening
and board a plane just like
everybody else. And what you
also may know was that the TSA
has an entirely different
standard for illegal immigrants.
Yes, that's right. Yes. There's
a different set of was for you,
the American public and illegal
immigrants? Yes. You've all seen
the TSA check line, of course.
Well, I have news for you.
Biden's DHS has created another
line. And here is a picture to
prove it. This is a line in the
Tucson airport specially made
for non citizens. And as you can
see, the sign says non US
citizens without passports,
enter here without passports,
that just tip of the iceberg.
These illegal illegal immigrants
may go unvetted with no
verifiable photo ID at all. And
I guess Biden in my work is
going to talk to trust that
these people are going to say
who they are based on just their
honesty and their word alone.
You know, what a valid form of
ideas for an illegal alien,
according to USA Today. And
arrest warrant not making that
up. could get on a plane. It's
an arrest warrant. And if an
arrest warrant could get an
illegal alien on domestic
flight, then why can't it get
them a one way ticket to jail
where they belong. This is not
only an assault on American
citizen but a grave threat to
our national security. I'm a
member of Congress. I have TSA
PreCheck and clear and when I
get screened by TSA, I have to
prove that I am who I say I am
with an official government ID
for the record. My name is
Wesley P hunt as appearance
shot. But it my airline ticket
says Wesley J hunt. This United
States Congressman ain't getting
on the plane. The TSA is tasked
with airline security, but
they're letting illegal
immigrants on our planes with
unverifiable identities.
Adam Curry: Well, this is not
unknown to the show, but I liked
his presentation. Yeah, it is
ridiculous. Not half of it. Bob.
Here's main, you want to talk
about skipping the line. Dozens
Unknown: of people showed up
this morning to the grand
opening of new apartments at the
Brunswick landing. These units
were built specifically to house
asylum seekers as they wait to
receive their work permits which
can take months, there'll be 60
apartments total here serving
this purpose. 24 of them are
ready now. State government will
essentially pay the rent for two
years after that the buildings
will convert to market rate and
affordable housing units. Some
asylum seekers have already
moved in and say this option of
transitional housing is much
better than living in a hotel or
to shelter.
This is a very unique solution
to a very exciting opportunity
in our society. We have 1000s of
folks coming to Maine who want
to make Maine home. We're doing
everything we can to help that
situation.
Adam Curry: This is what makes
people crazy. And I've seen it
for 20 years in Europe 20 years.
You have people who want to send
their kids to university in
Amsterdam, there is no housing
available, because it's all
filled up with asylum seekers,
which is nice word for illegal
immigrants while they're waiting
for their work permits. This is
this is what is going to
determine the election here
Unknown: in Iowa a top issue of
concern for Republican voters is
the future of immigration and
border security issue is a long
standing concern for Republicans
but there's increased worry
among Democrats and
independents. The reality here
is that Iowa's 3 million
residents are overwhelmingly
white and the state's strong
economy needs immigrant labor.
Iowans
especially here would have a
very difficult time having
anything to eat at dinnertime
without immigrants because
immigrants are the ones who
processed the meat who farmed
the fields who would just
Adam Curry: want slaves cook the
Unknown: food. Brenda
Rodriguez who fled an abusive
relationship in Mexico dam has
lived in the state for nearly 30
years.
We did so many years been under
the shadows. And then so
when you hear these candidates
who are running say that people
who have come here legally have
to go home What do you think of
that?
I deserve a chance to stay. If
I'm paying my taxes and I'm not
doing anything? I don't think
I'm you know, a bad person that
the people from Iowa don't want
me here. Could I will run with
that immigrants like you. I
don't think so.
Adam Curry: Yeah, they have
Don't worry your kids will have
CBDCs and UBI it's all going to
be great. You'll be you you
you'll be you'd buddy. You'll
get UBI Ubu UBI will have
immigrants to come in and wash
your clothes and wash your car
and that is that is not the
American dream. No, I mean, the
American, elitist
John C Dvorak: look at thing yes
and take you elitist take a look
at your homeless situation and
unless you do something about
that first spa,
Adam Curry: well, there is
something that's going to happen
and it's not good. I got a note
from Rob our constitute
constitutional lawyer. And
Oregon, you remember Oregon is
where? Where was North Idaho
where all of this started in
Idaho, right? The homeless
started camping. It's called
camping not not, you know, not
being homeless or unhoused. And
they were camping everywhere in,
in downtown Boise. And when the
cops went to move them, then A
lawsuit was started saying that
this is cruel and unusual
punishment. And that is a
constitutional violation. And
then the thing is the ninth
circuit, they said ours, you
know, they got to a point so we
can't do anything. All these
cities, including Austin took on
that same mantra. Oh, this is
great. So now, it's
John C Dvorak: all based on that
one case in Idaho.
Adam Curry: Now this, the
Supreme Court of the United
States has granted cert to the
city of Grants Pass Oregon has
an important lawsuit. A homeless
woman sued the city under the
Eighth Amendment, the cruel and
unusual punishment clause and
the 14th amendment for equal
protection. Because the city
find homeless for camping on
public property remove park
benches from that property very
cruel and unusual. Failed to
supply warming and cooling
stations. It also voted against
affordable housing. But here's
where it gets nuts. The federal
district court certified a class
action suit against the city
class action. So the ninth, the
full Ninth Circuit affirmed that
decision without being familiar,
our lawyer says it seems to me
that the Supreme Court is poised
to reverse the Ninth Circuit,
but who knows. So we can have
all kinds of cities now the
homeless can file a class action
suit against the city for for
for moving their homeless
encampments. This will be
interesting to see how it
happens. But yeah, you're right.
That's something they could look
at but they don't care. They
don't care. They don't care. I
don't care. But we care. And I'd
like to thank you for your
courage in the morning to you
the man who put the seeds in the
collective calibration of
Cloudflare say hello to my
friend on the other end of
John C Dvorak: the morning to
you Mr. is also in the morning
those ships at sea and boots on
the ground and feet in the air
and subs in the water in the
dames in the nights out there
Adam Curry: the trolls have been
counted. We're late today at a
tooth 2119 on the troll count
that somebody's got listening
and in the drawer of 2119
John C Dvorak: Well, that's down
about 300 It
Adam Curry: was 2357 20 minutes
ago.
John C Dvorak: They're bailing
out.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you know why?
Taiwan? I mean, there's you
might as well play Africa clips.
John C Dvorak: Africa clips to
clear them out.
Adam Curry: Africa clips always
screws it up. Yeah, well, we
want to welcome all of these
trolls you can join in at Oh, hi
feeds, you can try joining a
troll room.io That's where you
can listen live. Of course you
can listen live many different
ways. And you can get into the
troll room through just an IRC
client even it's been around for
a long time. This was a long
standing interactive part
John C Dvorak: of the noise room
called what network? Is it on
the it's
Adam Curry: the void zero.net.
And the room is hash is hashtag
no agenda. It's been around
forever. Yeah. I mean, there's
ways to find it. There's ways to
find it.
John C Dvorak: It's easy to get
zero.net is a network. That's
the server
Adam Curry: as the IRC server
Yeah, you can you can you can
use any, you know, any IRC
client to get in there, but
white void zero saying No, zero
no.net I'm sorry, oops, zero
no.net
John C Dvorak: How could I
release these monitoring this?
Of
Adam Curry: course he is he's
void zero. He doesn't mess
around. Make sure he's 24/7 That
guy was making sure everything's
running love him. Of course, you
can get a modern podcast app.
Now there's an idea. If you get
that then you will be assured
that you can always listen to
the Dark Horse podcast, even if
it gets tossed off of apple and
Spotify, which it's cruisin for
a bruisin. I'm telling you,
podcast apps.com Then you can
also get alerted when when the
show when our show goes live.
You can listen to it live there.
Some of them have the troll room
built right in the chat and 90
seconds after we publish our
podcast you'll get notified
don't wait an hour on Apple. Why
would you We run this on value
for value. Because we don't like
eating dog food. It's just be
honest, we don't want to have to
taste it, we don't want to have
to promote the product. We just
don't do that love. We love
talking about products that
people our producers make. And
if they're any good, if not, we
probably just won't talk about
it. But when someone has an
outstanding product, we don't
have to worry about it. But we
accept time, talent and treasure
and return for the value that we
bring you twice a week with our
three plus hours of content and
media analysis and
deconstruction. So we very much
appreciate the work that many,
many people do, as
aforementioned, Matt Hamilton,
of course, but we also have Sir
Paul couture, who does the Art
Generator, we have many we've
never built a website ourselves.
And that used to show until Oh,
goodness now at Tim, Tim code
monkey he built the no agenda
show.net website. And this is
this is really valuable to us.
This is this is incredibly
important stuff. And we can't we
could if we had to go pay for
that. I mean, we'd be broke,
like, like Spotify can't do it.
It's not it just can't do it. So
this is why we develop this,
this model and everybody helps
out by producing that's why
you're called producers. And
along those talent and and time
offerings comes the art for the
show. Every single show we have
a different piece of artwork.
This comes from our artists,
they are top notch, they are
professionals. We always have a
hard time choosing because we
have quite an assortment every
single time we do want to thank
the artist who brought the
artwork for us for episode 1624.
We titled that one Bub and Matt
Boisvert or boys vampire, boi S
v e r t I know he's told me how
to pronounce it. But I'm just a
Boisvert brought us the artwork
that we chose. It wasn't that it
wasn't like a stunner. It was
good. It was something about it
that we both liked it I didn't
like to the lack of drop shadow
on the no agenda and our names.
But there was kind of a cool
crowd picture with someone
holding up a sign that said
podcast repent. What else was
there that we did not select?
Well,
John C Dvorak: we didn't really
like any of the art.
Adam Curry: And that's not to be
mean. But you know, we're
discerning clients.
John C Dvorak: So we looked and
looked and I can't think of
anything else that was that was
noteworthy to
Adam Curry: say, well, people
had. Let's see.
John C Dvorak: There was just a
green legged woman,
Adam Curry: while the one we we
discussed, the green legged
woman, the one we discussed the
most was I won't see you from
Darren O'Neal. Which was of
course a a call back to Lloyd
Austin.
John C Dvorak: That was cute.
Yeah. But yeah, the curry
pointed out that is it's a
negative image. It's more than
it is morbid. It's more a bit
more the word morbid. Yeah. So
morbid image, forget it. And I
gotta be you as it would have
won. If it wasn't morbid. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I think the
morbidity factor was a little
bit too high. And there was
airplanes with holes in it. We
also discussed another mat
piece, which was the M five M
flowchart.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I liked
that piece a lot. Yeah.
Adam Curry: To me, it was just
too PowerPoint. It it just it
just looked like PowerPoint.
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
just liked it. I mean, yeah,
Adam Curry: I know you liked it.
John C Dvorak: I think that
podcast repent was a better
piece to choose. Yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And I saw that you
used shooter inks. Ham radio,
art for the newsletter, I
believe.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that came
in for this this show. It was
early 25. Oh, I didn't even see
that. It has 11 people. I will
say this to artists if they want
to know this. If you if you get
your art in with a show number
on it, which is hard to get
picked for the show itself. But
if you do that, it's a good
chance. I'll
Adam Curry: pick it. Yep, that's
right. He's a pushover people
push over. I tell you. You can
follow along with these
wonderful pieces of art at no
agenda art generator.com, which
is fast now. I love it. So fast.
blazingly fast fast. Thank you.
Thank you. So Paul couture.
Thank you, Matt, for bringing us
the album art. It's a very
important piece of our overall
marketing. gets people
interested they see it in the
podcast app to see it posted
around like oh, this is good. I
want to get I want to grab that.
I want to see what's going on
with this. It's funny makes
people laugh. At least we hope
so. And we appreciate all of our
artists as always, and
especially Matt Boisvert of
course today for the album art
for episode 1624 Now, we're
going to thank the people who
delivered us treasure for
episode 1625. No, exactly. Have
producers today? Now does that
do we still have a rule where no
executive producer the top
associate becomes an exec? Or
yeah,
John C Dvorak: he becomes the
Exec. But let's say this say
this we haven't had this
situation since since 2018.
During COVID It never happened
it didn't happen last year
didn't happen to you after that.
This is the first time that this
used to be a common event a
common occurrence in the early
days of the show, but now it's
rare. And this is particularly
rare because that means nobody
wanted to be the executive
producer promoted in the
newsletter there one knows about
it and know nothing. So we ended
up with Scott here in Newcastle.
Who's gonna get bumped up to the
executive producer level. Okay,
Adam Curry: and Scott comes in
with 233 dot 33 which is
beautiful number we love the
magic number. Scott from
Newcastle Australia here Oh, I
wonder if it's Australia dollar
reduce. So he would have been an
exec anyway
John C Dvorak: 233 Maybe so
he'll get by date but he does
get bumped
Adam Curry: up no matter what. I
got hitting them out in the
mouth late 2019 by a YouTuber
named the illusion and if not
myth thank you this a YouTube
donation first of his kind have
not missed an episode since
please do short poems like
Miguel de deuced please use
except this donation of 233 33
your media deconstruction has
been a real eye opener while
keeping my amygdala in check.
Please put me on the birthday
list for the 19th while we have
more on the on the birthday list
of course. As I begin my 52nd
trip around the sun for jingles
may I request the UK foamer oh
there's one I haven't heard for
a while Keep up the good work
gents regard Scott from
Newcastle Australia
you got it. You got it. All
right.
John C Dvorak: Steven Peterson
in Kingaroy Queensland Australia
he got to us he's right in a row
to 2222 Greetings from the
bubble wrap nanny state
socialist utopia of Australia
where everyone is safe fully
boosted and inclusive almost
thanks for your ongoing humor as
we circled a socialist drain no
jingles no karma
Adam Curry: good now we have sir
pursuit of peace and tranquility
from Midland Georgia it says see
attached note I do not have said
attach note
John C Dvorak: it's on the it
was on the email
Unknown: no
Adam Curry: let me double check
I
John C Dvorak: got the same
email you got to saw it right
there.
Adam Curry: Let me see do I know
I just have a title change for
him but what could you read it
for me because I do not have it
this is weird like
John C Dvorak: it's another note
Yeah, I
Adam Curry: came here with the
second I'm sorry
John C Dvorak: this no does have
the title change on it. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: have the title
change but there's no note Oh, I
see. Oh, here's the PDF I'm
sorry for some reason I missed
the PDF. Well let me do this. I
got it here now shall read it
now. I've opened it. I found it.
Crisis averted. It's loading. I
don't know why it's taken. Oh my
god. Okay. 222 22 Row ducks. In
the morning boys. Please accept
this short row of ducks for the
month of January to keep myself
current and advance me to the
title of Baron. Thank you for
last month's jobs karma for our
youngest human resource she has
already landed her dream job and
expects to start this month and
the keeper truly appreciated the
biscuit under birthday at the
risk of expecting too much our
oldest human resources finishing
his PhD this spring and need
some jobs karma in the coming
months. So please extend him
some Pelosi jobs karma will do
it in a moment. Thank you in
advance for fulfilling of my
above request and as always, I
really appreciate your
deconstruction of the media the
issues of the day. It keeps me
sane keeping it brief,
sincerely, sir pursuit of peace
and tranquility in the lands of
the red clay and the cherry
trees jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Pharma.
John C Dvorak: David Weicker are
wicker in Jacksonville, Florida
served
Adam Curry: by wicker. It's
wicker, and he is served by His
grace. He's a knight
John C Dvorak: switcheroo to my
red hot mama Jewess. Wicker AC
can you think Jules
Adam Curry: is Jules? I think I
say Julius. I'm pretty old.
John C Dvorak: As Mimi, can you
kick in June? Here's the penny.
Adam Curry: I got your penny
right there.
John C Dvorak: I want to use our
platform to celebrate the life
of Brian hip is face to face
with our Lord and Savior as of
2am 113 24. He's not an avid
listener but was an amazing
friend and you fought the good
fight Gitmo nation. None of us
are guaranteed our next breath
own this you're curious lot
searching for answers lets you
not be part of this amazing
movement and you are here for a
purpose. I am sure by His grace
jingles Obama you might die and
if cancer plea please Peace be
with you. KYB oh
Adam Curry: and let's go KY Bo
keep your buckets overflowing
you might
John C Dvorak: use karma I'm
gonna read the next one for
reasons you'll soon got will
dawn on you. Yes, Rick. Rick
bunch and La Verkin Utah 20202
Thanks, bro. Appear is the first
ducks and Aigues for the year
from Ricky Bobby and splash
Cadillac. Keep doing what you
are doing. You are the best. Oh,
nothing.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Then we
have Danny Petey from
Churchville, Pennsylvania 233.
And I know I have kind of issue
with this. We don't do scripts
and stuff. You want me to read
this all in a game show voice.
He said here's what he says. In
the morning, Dan petty here
financial advisor helping get
more nation find and fund their
exit strategies with the
exception of Adam and Jhansi. Of
course, instead of notes on my
quest tonight, he would have
decided to have a little fun
along with a way with a brand
new gizmo game I called value
for value trivia. He says yes,
that's right value for value
trivia where the questions
answers and winners are found
only by those who listen to the
full donation segment of each
show. So what is he going to do
here? He says contest today's oh
John C Dvorak: okay says he's
gonna ask this is not worse.
This is not a good idea how it's
not.
Adam Curry: But what he wanted
to do was if you have the right
answer at the end, you email him
which is damn Petey.
newton@gmail.com You'll get $50
from his next door neighbor
donation towards your
knighthood. Yeah. I love you,
man. I love it is the idea is
cool, but it's too complicated.
I will do his question. And the
question is, what were the three
descriptive words Adam used to
describe the traumatizing shirt
he wore as a child? Dude, I
wouldn't even know that one. I'm
gonna give you a double up karma
for that brother. Thank you so
much Dan petty.
Unknown: He's got karma
John C Dvorak: that was the see
through shirt. Yeah, but
Adam Curry: what were the three
descriptive words.
John C Dvorak: It was G through
two words traumatising. Three
Adam Curry: traumatising. See
through body shirt.
John C Dvorak: Linda LAPACK and
meanwhile from Lakewood,
Colorado, she knows how to do it
right she keeps it short and
sweet jobs calm has all she
requests and she wants to say
that for a recipe that resume
that gets results go to Image
makers inc.com and must work for
all your executive resume and
job search needs. That's image
makers equals a K or find Linda
on the producer list. My husband
wants to know who John is.
Unknown: Jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs
Adam Curry: Yep, yeah, that's a
problem in paradise. Oh, is this
John guy that you keep talking
about? I'm not digging that a
was it but it was. I want to
knock his lights out. Thank you
very much to our executive one
day you're not
John C Dvorak: done. I'm not
know you got one last one to
read. Oh, I'm
Adam Curry: sorry. Pamela
McLean, Fort Worth Texas. Pamela
I'm sorry. $200. No note, double
up karma for you. You've got
karma. And now I'd like to thank
our one executive and the
Associate Executive Producer for
episode 1625. We bring you the
value you send back what it's
worth to you. If everybody did
it, we'd be we'd be just fine.
We do have lots of people who
come in under $50 which we
appreciate highly, usually for
reasons of anonymity and the the
ongoing sustaining donations are
really appreciated particularly
on day like this, which you can
find more about more. You can go
read it a bad divorce
act.org/day or no agenda
donations.com We got some meet
up reports and we have John
taken us through Do the 50s
right now.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, let's go
with starting with Brian
Schumacher and Boyd's Maryland
14646 Shelly Winky. I think in
Fort Wayne, Indiana switcheroo
this actually happy birthday or
smokin hot husband Jared Smith.
I love you. She says 114 75 Rita
Harrington in Sparks Nevada
114 33 Dakota Dakota Welker in
Boise, Idaho 113 86 with a
birthday, Jessie who are Nino
umani yo, Lauren Nino something
along those lines? Ah,
Hicksville, New York. 100. Sir
Chris and Bert came Norway. And
he said I'm had to read this
$100 is $100 He says I'm
saddened that Adam feels in a S
has done its job. Okay, John,
when in Austin, Texas, sad puppy
prevention $100 is not working.
Anonymous and bent mountain
Virginia 100. Sir breath in
Greenfield Park New York's 8866
jobs karma coming at the end of
this list him
Adam Curry: and his wife he is a
night to escape New York for New
Hampshire. You got it.
John C Dvorak: Good luck. Kevin
McLaughlin and Concord North
Carolina. 808. Is the Archduke
Aluna Christian grew grew lash
girlish girlish in Lakeland,
Ohio. 808 he says for the last
time Robert Ross ah, Richmond
Virginia pointy boobs. 707 Ross
quarry in Rego Park, New York.
6969 birthday coming up. Donnie
Eubanks in Canton Ohio 6666 that
Christopher dektor 5678 also sir
be boop in New Brighton
Minnesota 65678. Eli, the coffee
guy at gigawatt Coffee Roasters
Bensenville Illinois 5510 type
in ITM 20 Alexander O'Neal in
Mississauga, Ontario 55 Alex
right why wait that's
Adam Curry: a first time donor
from Scandinavia wants to
deducing
Unknown: you've been de Deus
douching Oh
John C Dvorak: Alex Blatz VOA
two Es and Citrus Heights
California. 5333 Scott
Lynchburg, Virginia 5222. Right.
Adam Curry: Scott says please
call out attorney Dave as a
douchebag
John C Dvorak: anonymous cop in
Redwood City, California 5150
Christine Heinz and Manchester
New Hampshire. 5123. Vie count
sir economic hitman in Tomball,
Texas 5001. And that takes us to
the $50 donors. I'm just going
to read out their names and
locations. And it's not that
many but there's enough. Gary
Mau Woodland Hills Stephen King
and Box Elder South Dakota.
Douglas Moog in in cotton
cochranton. Pennsylvania, a Dane
Patricia Worthington in Miami
Beach or Miami. Real deals now
in San Antonio, Texas. What are
what their deals are for Jared
jaw in Nashville, Tennessee
Brandon sub wide port orchard,
Washington Carey okie in
Freehold New Jersey. And there's
a birthday coming up for her.
Greg Oles OLS camp in Thunder
Bay, Ontario. Kevin dills in
Huntersville, North Carolina
Christian Freeman in San Marcos,
Texas. Diane shawanna Back in
johnsburg, Illinois, Gerald
Preston in Bennington, new in
Nebraska. Wesley Stewart in
Mesa, Arizona and last in our
fabulous list is Baron of
Belmont in Belmont North
Carolina. I want to thank these
people for making this show.
possibility and a reality. Here
we are.
Adam Curry: And here is the jobs
karma for those who needed jobs,
Unknown: jobs and jobs. Let's
vote for jobs. Karma
Adam Curry: thank you all very
much. You are the producers of
this show for episode 1625. We
appreciate
Unknown: it. Our formula is
this. We go out. We get people
in the mouth
Adam Curry: Tracy Sullivan
wishes her Birthday Sir Johnny
bananas happy one he turned 47
on the 13th That's yesterday.
Dakota Walker also celebrated
yesterday karaoke will be
turning 56 tomorrow. Is that a
real name? Karaoke, your parents
played a mean trick on you.
Rusko returned 69 on the 16th
Sir Tony wishes his daughter
sienna, a very happy eighth on
the 18th Scott from Newcastle
Australia turns 52 on the 19th
and Shelley Wangka wishes are
smokin on husband and husband
Jared Smith a very happy
birthday as we said Happy
Birthday to everybody here in
the back office a staffing man
has wrote the best podcast in
the universe
don't want to be introduced and
we do have that one title change
I'm very glad we found the note
from Sir pursuit of peace and
tranquility in the lands of the
red clay in the cherry trees
because of his additional
support and $1,000 or more he
can now claim the title of Baron
and we are very very happy to
have you here thank you very
much sir and that's it no nights
no dames today. But of course we
do have a couple of meetup
reports know what
our first one comes from Los
Angeles the flight of the no
agenda Leo Bravo does them very
regularly. I'd love lost count
of the number of meetups he's
he's organized so far. These of
course are the meetups. You can
find that no agenda meetups.com
This is where you go and find
your clan, your tribe your
community everybody
Unknown: I feel Bravo at fly
doesn't know agenda meeting
number 48. My friends here have
things
to say a be dissolved from
Altadena in the morning. It's
certainly a chem full pop from
Lakewood. That's true.
It's the evening but in the
morning Hey, it's
Steven in the Morning John and
Adam
Adam Curry: 48 Already
phenomenal. Got a report a
written report from a Snipper he
says in the morning at a meet up
report from SV AAMA at Lombok
Hmm, can be summarized as all by
myself to the tune of Eric
Carmen, but we will keep hitting
him in the mouth and retry in
Langkawi Langkawi Where is this
place? I don't know where this
is. Where is Lombok? Oh is that
the eyes are some islands some
crazy island in the near
Indonesia or barley or
something? All right, you're in
let me know we I gotta promote
this better for you give you a
little more lead time. And we'll
do that for any of the meetups
because it is the companion to
the no agenda podcast. This is
where you truly can hang out
with people that that you that
you will be surprised that these
people are no agenda listeners.
You'll have so much in common
and especially in these dark
days of winter when big freezes
can come and weird things can
happen and your EV won't. won't
drive and your phone runs out of
juice. You want to have a place
where you can hang out and know
people that you've hung out
with. That's a no agenda meet up
it's connection that brings you
protection, just like the big
arcade party in Fredericksburg,
Virginia. Hello.
Unknown: Is this happy in
Virginia? The Fredericksburg
arcade party. We got booths in
skee ball. This is Tom
Starkweather I'm meeting people
that went to my high school when
I was there. It's wild.
i This is rowdy, we're having an
arcade meetup in Fredericksburg,
Virginia everyone's here if
you're not here, you're new
you're not fool like me with my
weird hat.
Hey, DC girl in the morning sir
gave the blue collar night
representing FEMA Region seven.
I was expecting more spooks here
it's the same trail chicken from
locust Hill, Virginia oto This
is Amy in the morning,
ITM sir. William
is definitely a spoof hi this is
Marshall 60 miles from spook
Central. Please don't say they
acted rose high in the morning
is Jamie lot of noise here.
Hi, this is Sarah from Richmond
life is a scam. This is
Rob from Richmond in the
morning. Oh there Chris from
King George in the morning.
It is Sir William at
Fredericksburg. Hey want to put
a shout out for the Kernersville
North Carolina meetup. January
20. Trains good plains bad
this has been here at the no
agenda meetup love the new
agenda people and Happy belated
jingle Bengal
Adam Curry: a great group and a
very beautiful group. They are
indeed that is the
Fredericksburg, Virginia. Meet
up. Thank you Tom Starkweather
for putting that one together,
especially the report. We have a
meetup taking place today the
indie na new year resolution
revolt meetup which is underway
as we speak at Grand Junction
brewing in Westfield, Indiana
Markham Maria hosting that for
it's always a party with them.
The next one will be on the
eighth January 18. It's a
Thursday, the Denver Stock Show
meet up 630 at Lincoln's
Roadhouse 1201 South pearls
Street in Denver, and the
Charlotte's 33rd Thursday meet
up seven o'clock Ed's tavern,
Charlotte, North Carolina on
Thursday, January 18, as well,
those are just a few of the
meetups. There's many more
available. Go find one is called
no agenda meetup.com If you
can't find one near you start
one yourself. Start small but
you'll have a party.
Unknown: Sometimes you want to
go hang out with Dyson days.
You'd be triggered. You wouldn't
be where everybody feels the
same. Is like a party. Like a
party. Like a party at
Adam Curry: night. I have two
ISOs why don't I play mine
first? I think I have a winner.
I mean, this is why it's so
important. Such a great
explainer. Thank you. That's a
little too fast for you. But
yeah, no good. This is the one
we know the flu is deadly. I
mean, that's just killer.
John C Dvorak: I mean, it is a
killer. Can you? Can you top
Adam Curry: that?
John C Dvorak: I think so. I
think all three of mine are
better than that. Let's start
with thanks, Bing.
Adam Curry: Thanks for being
with us. No, it's too fast. Just
like the other one. That's no
good.
John C Dvorak: Okay, how about
this one? Bla
Adam Curry: bla bla bla bla bla.
Okay, I guess this is your
killer. The one you got at the
end here.
Unknown: Yeah, think? Think
about it.
Adam Curry: I mean, it's like,
we know
Unknown: the flu is deadly.
Think about it. About that.
John C Dvorak: You just like
think about it. No, I think that
combination would
Adam Curry: work. It's short and
sweet. I'll see that combo. I
think it's a good idea. May I? I
have a 46 second good news
story.
John C Dvorak: Oh, you want to
bump my good news story for
yours? Well, you're
Adam Curry: always doing the
good news stories. And well, you
John C Dvorak: gave me that
assignment. You specifically
told me to do this. And I've
been doing it. Yeah, Mimi's been
helping producers and on it and
now you're gonna jump because
it's so successful. You've
Adam Curry: been Stolen Valor.
Stolen Valor. Go
John C Dvorak: play the good
news story. Now
Unknown: it's time for you
surely see.
Adam Curry: It's a short one.
And if it's no good, I'll never
do it again. How about that? Is
that Is that Is that a deal?
John C Dvorak: For one thing I
don't think you'll be billed.
Stick to that promise. For
starters.
Adam Curry: Well, let's let's
Okay. I'll play mine. And if and
if you feel like it. We can do
yours too.
Unknown: Here we go. Well, we
have talked about flying the
friendly skies but this takes it
to a whole new level. Hoboken
natives Kelly and Jake Levine
were thrilled when their five
month old baby decided I'm not
going to cry on this flight. It
was her second flight ever.
Instead, she watched the woman
across the aisle crocheting that
woman Megan Rubin noticed and
she got an idea with just one
hour left in the flight she
crocheted a hat for sweet Romy
and that hat was a perfect fit
look at it there for me was just
mesmerized watching Megan
crochet and now they've all
become fast friends and Megan
says Up Next she is going to
crochet a maybe dress for Roma
love the worship leader fig is
watching what is
going on. It's a crochet Oh my
goodness. Come
Adam Curry: on.
John C Dvorak: Come on is the
debt is the most Bunnell that's
a great news story about some
woman okay. I think that it's
nothing I can reject in the
point where you'd stop doing
these I'm gonna let you that'll
be the good news for this show.
Adam Curry: Do you want to do
yours just in case I can bump it
is VersaLink people are calling
for yours. They want both they
want they love the segment so
much. They want to good news
stories.
John C Dvorak: Well, this one
here is about a woman who
retires at 84 and from a job
that she's had since night this
1970s at a location new we're
all familiar with. This isn't
quite interesting.
Unknown: Today is something
good. We've been talking about
Katie Kay 75th anniversary and
our co workers like paddy Cobb
who works here for 40 years or
more. Well guess what? I give
Sony A woman tops us off.
Yeah, her name is dot sharp. And
she started working at the
McDonald's in Gibsonia. All the
way back in 1978. I mean, Happy
Meals hadn't even been invented
yet. Well tomorrow at 10am After
45 years through cashier dot
will serve her last order.
I wonder what it's going to be.
Is it going to be the double l
can't be
the double Patty Big Mac though
but it could be chicken nuggets
it could be
dot celebrated her 84th birthday
last month and is looking
forward to retirement we wish
her all the best congratulations
dot think of
all the friends she made all the
people that are used to getting
their breakfast or whatever from
dot the window so funny
because as soon as I heard for I
thought we were gonna say french
fries
Adam Curry: native ad I can't
believe you let a native ad into
the good news segment. What
John C Dvorak: kind of positive
images into McDonald's has an 84
year old woman. Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. No no
everyone wants to go get a Big
Mac you oh my god this. That's
horrible. Native Ads are not
allowed to be good news stories.
about.no dot Her name is what
was named dotnet. Does sharp C
sharp dotnet it was it was a
total native ad. Oh, I'm sorry.
Unknown: Google News story from
JC de had the vibes for you. And
we all feel better. Now he's
done his bit. To back to
reality. That's turning to shit.
Adam Curry: Glad I brought the
crochet baby because that was
just
John C Dvorak: you had to bring
another one next show. Well, I
will teach you top to me as a
matter of speak, and it has to
be just as as Bunnell. Bunnell
have been announced.
Unknown: But now is a good word.
Adam Curry: That's a great work.
Night everybody I'm sorry for
that native add at the end at
least it wasn't for dog food. Up
next on the no agenda stream
troll room.io and the modern
podcast app that Larry show.
Stay tuned for that. And we have
end of show mixes from Tom
Starkweather. Professor Jay
Jones and the Maya is back.
Sure. Michael Anthony, on the
wheels of steel. And that will
do it. We were we were before we
will return on Thursday for
another another media
deconstruction just for you.
We're looking forward to it.
Until then, coming to you from
the heart of the Texas hill
country here in FEMA Region
number six. In the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley, where I
recommend you back off on the
coffee. I'm John C. Dvorak and
Adam Curry: remember us at
devora.org/na We'll see you on
Thursday, everybody until then
adios mofos a hui, Hui, and such
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seeing this ad? Well, that's a
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