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Unknown: Hey, Adam curry
Adam Curry: Jhansi Devorah Feb
20 Min 2024 This Year Award
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assassination episode 1637. This
Unknown: is no agenda. We
Adam Curry: got Israeli
motivations and we're
broadcasting live from the heart
of the Texas Hill Country here
and figurines number six in the
morning, everybody
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we all say
Happy Chinese New Year. I'm
Jhansi. Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Yes. And this one
they start spreading some
disease. Yeah. It was, yeah, it
was around this time. Was it
three years ago, four years ago.
I can't remember now, as it was,
I think it was almost four years
ago. Can you believe in? how
long we've been dealing with
that bullcrap.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, you
know, that's what you do. And
had to be almost four years ago
because it was right when Trump
was leaving office. Yes. And I
went to actually it was before
that. So during Trump's
administration, he had to deal
with nine months. That's right.
That's right. He
Adam Curry: was blocked off. He
was racist. He was blocking
trice from jet flight from
China. Yeah, yeah. Were you a
racist, racist, racist,
xenophobic, and, and so now here
we are four years later, and the
you're
John C Dvorak: good, you get
your booster. I get more
boosters. I need I need great.
Works great.
Adam Curry: I need to schedule
I'm lagging and the UK Office
for National Statistics. You
know, they find these excess
deaths. Very annoying. So what
do we do just like we do in the
financial markets, when we don't
like the numbers, what do we do?
We just try that we just, we
just changed the way we count
Unknown: doing. And since the
Coronavirus pandemic, we've
generally seen more people die
than we'd expect. We call these
deaths above average excess
deaths. Different organizations
have used different ways to
calculate this, each with merit
in particular uses, for example,
for planning health
interventions, and identifying
emerging threats. In the spirit
of continuous improvement, we've
been working with independent
experts and those across
government and the devolved
nations to develop a common UK
wide approach. Using our new
approach. Today's release
estimates 11,000 excess deaths
in 2023. While this is lower
than our previous estimate, our
new method accounts for the
growth and ageing of the
population. These are key
factors in understanding how
many deaths we'd expect to see
whether the number of deaths is
below or above this. So here we
go. Looking more closely at the
last month for 2023. So we're
actually negative excess deaths,
meaning fewer deaths, in average
being registered for the back
across the pandemic for trends
and peaks in excess deaths are
the same using the new method as
they were under the old method.
It's important to note that our
estimates of excess deaths are
just estimates. They can't be
counted individually, unlike
death registrations, which
haven't changed.
Adam Curry: I mean, could it get
first of all, nice music bed
Office for National Statistics?
I mean, they just didn't like
it. Oh, it was 11,000. So we
just changed it. And now it's
negative. So shut up conspiracy
theorists. And by the way, these
are estimates we can't really
even know. Hmm. The insurance
the insurance companies seem to
know. They seem to Yeah, they go
along, but now they know they
know the numbers. It's it's I
mean, I'm just I'm
flabbergasted. I mean, I'm not
really surprised. But still, I
mean, kind of flabbergasted. You
know? Crazy. Not quite as crazy
as the latest breaking news,
breaking news breaking news.
They're at it again. Oh my god.
We've got to deploy fighter
Unknown: jets tonight in the
skies above the western United
States NORAD sending up fighter
jet fighters back to high
altitude balloon flying at
43,000 to 45,000 feet and
official tells us the balloon is
some 50 feet tall with a two
foot payload. Its contents are
unknown, and they do not believe
the balloon is being steered
remotely. The military first
spawning in over Utah. It is now
drifting east. No word on who
sent the balloon where it's
going or what its mission might
be. The Biden administration
keenly aware it comes just a
year after a Chinese spy balloon
was spotted flying clear across
the country. President Biden
ordering it shot down off the
coast of South Carolina. That
balloon was much larger than the
balloon currently drifting
across the country. Its payload
alone was the size of three
buses. Tonight the origin of
this new balloon unclear but
officials telling us it does not
pose a threat to national
security.
Still a lot of questions over
this. Let's get right to Mary
Bruce live at the White House
tonight and Mary's
Adam Curry: very excited
scrambled rambling, saying,
Well, what are we saying?
Unknown: Well, David, for now,
they
are continuing to closely track
and monitor this. They
determined that as of now, this
does not pose a risk to flight
safety. And we're told NORAD and
the FAA are closely coordinating
to make sure it stays that way.
Adam Curry: You're with a guy
who went way way. Wait,
John C Dvorak: wait, what does
she mean by make sure it stays
that way? Is that thing going to
morph into a flying saucers? I'm
going to change the transformer.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Oh, this is
just I guess this is China fear.
You know, hey, we got to
scramble some jets. We need more
money.
John C Dvorak: Can you imagine
how much money it costs to
scramble a bunch of jets?
Adam Curry: I'm sure one of our
producers could actually give us
the figure. I'm sure they
actually know. It's not like we
could get it from a pentagon
audit. But yeah, I'm sure so
where,
John C Dvorak: by the way? Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes. Do tell.
Where's
John C Dvorak: that Pentagon
audit?
Adam Curry: Did you see that the
Marine Corps passed a full
financial audit? No. Yeah.
Semper
John C Dvorak: Fi. Yeah. Well, I
mean, somebody can do the job.
Let me see what it's turned over
the Pentagon to the Marines. Oh,
they they that should get us
some donations. Right.
Adam Curry: full financial audit
for the first time with the
service announcing Friday, its
fiscal 2023 financial audit
received an unmodified audit
opinion. This is interesting
after a rigorous two year
review, how do you get how do
you get a two year review for
2023? Audit? It's only 2024.
John C Dvorak: Well, they must
they obviously referring to
combination 22 and 23. I guess.
I guess it's a milestone or they
do time travel. Maybe that's it.
It's
Adam Curry: it's a milestone.
It's a beautiful thing. You
remember that guy? Actually, I
met the guy who wrote the book
about it. Who had a lawn chair
and he tied Boutwell weather
balloons to it. And he wound up
flying up to like 50,000 feet.
And planes were spotting him and
he had a BB gun to shoot the
balloons to go back down again.
Remember that guy?
John C Dvorak: I remember
something about Yeah, like the
one that had the kid in it.
There was nothing
Adam Curry: Oh, no, no, that was
Oh, man. That was the best hoax.
Balloon Boy Balloon Boy. Yeah,
no, this is not Balloon Boy. Now
the guy it was it was in the
late 90s I think. Yeah. And he
had a whole bunch of balloons
tied to tied to his lawn chair
and floated up. We should try
that. Somebody should try that
again. And you get you know,
scramble some fighter you're
John C Dvorak: good balloon is
you could pull that
Adam Curry: off. It would be
funny. If if the fighter enough
the fighter jets. We knew what
he was doing. If the fighter
jets were scrambled, and then
flying by and there's a dude in
a lawn chair. I mean,
John C Dvorak: what if one of
them thought it was funny to be
strafing him?
Adam Curry: Come on. Where's
your American humor? Were fun at
this that wouldn't be humorous
waved the Jets. This thing was
only 40,000 feet you know you
can you can get up there for a
little bit with some oxygen not
too long, but it might be
chilly. It's been done before.
John C Dvorak: Before we get to
the good stuff. Yes. I think we
should at least do a little
review. What happened? There was
an election. That Trump one yes.
And Nikki Haley staying in the
in the race even though she had
her ass kicked in her own state.
Yes. But she's staying in
because the Democrats are
keeping her going.
Adam Curry: I have a clip of
Nikki if you want to hear a
clip. Love it.
Unknown: Today in South
Carolina. We're getting around
40% of the vote.
That's one way of looking at it.
Adam Curry: By the way, the 40%
of vote is only 19,000 people
it's not like this was some big
thing.
Unknown: That's about what
that's about what we got New
Hampshire to. I'm gonna count
it. I know 40% is not 50%. But I
also know 40% is not some tiny
group is 19,000
Adam Curry: people. Big deal. It
wasn't 19
John C Dvorak: I think it was
more No, no, I
Adam Curry: looked at numbers.
It was 19,000 people. And Trump
had now 22 Or something I'm
surprised it didn't break out in
in a little bit of rap there.
You know, there's
Unknown: lots of noise in
politics, people. Other with
great big steps. Nikki Haley
stands above them. Rest. She's
been pulling food to the test
with Trump the bully.
Adam Curry: I can't get enough
of Tim Draper heels with twice
John C Dvorak: it's mine. He's
financing the whole thing.
Adam Curry: Of course he's
financing it. That's why he's a
she should have played his song.
I mean, it's rude. There we go.
Unknown: There, there are huge
numbers of voters in our
Republican primaries who were
saying they want an alternative.
I said earlier this week that no
matter what happens in South
Carolina, I would continue to
run for as
Adam Curry: long as Draper
finances me because he believes
Trump's going to jail. I'm a
woman of my word. There's your
sound bite. There's your sound
bite.
John C Dvorak: Okay, so Nikki
Haley got 298,674 votes.
Adam Curry: No, I guess I was
looking at the wrong numbers
then. I think so. Well, this is
why they're two of us. Thank
you.
John C Dvorak: Trump got five
451,900 oh five
Adam Curry: go wow. Oh, that was
that's a spanking a spanking of
epic proportion. Did you see him
bring up? Lindy Hop, gray ham.
Trump
John C Dvorak: dead they were
both up there him and the other
senator. It
Adam Curry: was kind of weird
because everyone was booing him.
Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they're
boring but they keep reelecting
him shot. Does that make sense?
You
Unknown: want to hear it? Sure.
A lot of people
he doesn't do too much. He
happens to be a little bit
further left on the stage. But I
always say when I'm in trouble
on the left, I call out Lindsey
Graham.
Adam Curry: backhanded slam
No, no. Remember? Remember what
we remember. Remember the main
we remain free remember my Dawn
yesterday? Remember? war monger
Lindsey. Good man
he looks he looks kind of
inebriated. He sounded okay. He
sounded he sounded okay. But he
was really flush. You know, like
kind of like he probably
John C Dvorak: the easiest one.
It gives a lot of let's put it.
Obviously people that are in
Washington DC know how to drink.
Yeah. And so they can drink a
lot is still sound kind of
sober. You want to and that's
what he what? He I'm sure he was
drinking heavily. He would hope.
I don't know what he was hoping
for. But
Adam Curry: Oh, here he is.
Okay, all
Unknown: right. Yeah.
America, the nightmare you're
facing is just about over the
way this is the most qualified
man be president.
And the President said that
South Carolina created the
biggest political act in
American history.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, okay, so I
got some analysis from PBS. Oh,
well, my favorite correspondent
to Lopez woman though
Adam Curry: I have her later,
too. Yes, the Lopez. You know,
she's kind of annoying. You
think? She's a little bit
annoying? Yes. Yeah. And she's
very than a
John C Dvorak: little very. She
Adam Curry: is very biased.
John C Dvorak: Oh, she's a she's
a bigoted woman. Correspondent,
typical PBS. I don't know. Do
you have one of those hires?
Yeah, they may have very few. He
knows the
Adam Curry: higher the next the
DEI hires that we are
insinuating here.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Okay. She's
I'm not saying she's
incompetent. She's a good she
does Jen flub, she's not. But
she you can just see she's so
she's worse than anyone they've
had before for being biased. And
I want to play three clips.
Adam Curry: It's PBS it should
be representative of all of
America. It's called that
John C Dvorak: those days. guide
with one of my thinking when I
fall. That's
Adam Curry: right. And how we
miss good old Gwen. She was
good. She
John C Dvorak: was good. Well,
she's I think the one that put
the kibosh on a lot of the stuff
they were trying to do. And
let's go with election.
Analysis. Lopez one out for
Unknown: the latest law, it's
fair to say President Biden has
an because he has some gap among
some in his base, who are the
voters that he's having the most
trouble with right now.
He's having a lot of trouble
with young voters and voters of
color on that. And I spoke to
Nancy's dunkel wits who is a
democratic pollster with Zita, a
research. And she recently
conducted focus groups with
Latino voters, black voters, and
moderate Republicans and
especially among Latino voters.
She said that there was a
Hispanic woman in that group who
questioned the President's
message on the economy
specifically that they weren't
happy when they heard the
president, compare us inflation
rates to other countries
inflation rates, trying to
present what they thought was
too rosy of a picture in terms
of US economy. And ultimately
Nancy's it, uncle, it said that
what Democrats have is a
messenger problem. This might be
a sort of reverse coattails kind
of election, where we see that
statewide Democrats and
congressional Democrats are
carrying the president across
the line. I can't tell you a
single state right now where
I've surveyed where statewide
Democrat was not more popular,
and exceeding the vote share of
the President. So don't go into
Warren that this is a real
problem for Democrats. And it's
not something that they can wish
away.
Adam Curry: Women so the the
wonderful analysis from PBS here
is the Democrats have a
messenger problem really? Gee,
gee, gee, who would have thought
John C Dvorak: they finally
Yeah, they're coming around to
this conclude, because they're
their guy
Adam Curry: is is an old abused,
dude, who can't really
communicate who can't remember
things. They come up with a
never No, no, no, no, that's not
working any more than letting
them go. They're
John C Dvorak: gonna de have
little. Here's my thesis, or
hypothesis. Yeah, you
Adam Curry: name it, whatever
you want. They have
John C Dvorak: let him slide
from the from the uppers as long
as they can. So they can really
pump him up for the Union
address in March. Because they
can't keep them pumped up
because he's gonna blow. He's
Adam Curry: gonna explode. I
don't know. I don't know if he's
gonna make it.
John C Dvorak: So he's gonna get
to the State of the Union.
They're gonna give it to him.
He's gonna be so wired for that
speech. There was just this
guy's got lots of energy.
Adam Curry: You want? Yeah. And
I'm, I'm waiting
John C Dvorak: for the state
that state of the union is going
to be a killer. Alright, let's
go with Lopez to
Unknown: to the economy remains
a challenging issue. But where
is the President seeing any
traction, what issues and with
what voters?
As I mentioned, on the Nancy's
uncle, it spoke to moderate
Republicans as well. And so in
that focus group, they found
that when they presented the
contrast between President Biden
and former President Donald
Trump that a lot of those
moderate Republicans started to
move more towards President
Biden specifically on like
democracy January 6, and on
abortion.
John C Dvorak: Wait, so the
Republican moderates are voting
because of democracy? Yes, yes.
And January 6, that's what's at
the top of their mind. They're
thinking, Oh, my God, that
January 6, bowl crap, that I'm
thinking, Oh, that's that means
I've been a vote for Biden,
because I don't want that to
happen again. And oh, and
Trump's a threat to democracy,
even though everybody left and
right including now Hawaii's
trying to take him off the
ballot. That's democratic. Okay,
so we'll go with that analysis.
Adam Curry: You sound very
animated and somewhat upset.
John C Dvorak: I'm very upset.
I'm upset with the bull crap. I
mean, do you really think that
any Republican is voting based
on the January 6?
Adam Curry: No, I don't. But you
know, that they're gonna try
they're gonna try and push that.
I mean, that was their big TV
show. That was that was the big
thing they had they got Liz
Cheney. They got they got
everybody to
John C Dvorak: get and every one
of them got voted out shortly
thereafter. They're
Adam Curry: desperate. There's
obvious they're desperate. This
lady, this pollster. She's
Democrat, Democrat pollster.
Hello. I mean, that it's lies,
lies and statistics. And
John C Dvorak: clips worry
Unknown: that abortion, she said
is the second most important
issue that they're hearing from
a lot of voters across the
board, not just moderate
Republicans. The two fixes that
Democrats could have for that
she said is that President Biden
needs to be very clear about his
platform for a second term, and
also get more surrogates out
there that could boost his
message. Oh, yeah,
Adam Curry: they need
surrogates. All right. Wow.
Well,
John C Dvorak: I haven't read it
yet, because I've heard other
analysis that says, including
from Jen Psaki, no goodness, you
have came out on one of their
shows and say, Oh, Biden's gotta
get out there more. Yeah. Be out
in front. No, Mercer gets
screwed that this has Biden
Adam Curry: she tries to
sabotage them. What is she
doing?
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
she's up to.
Adam Curry: That's crazy. You
don't you don't want it? You're
right. And we We got to keep him
in the Adrenochrome, you know,
tight until the State of the
State of the Union. Meanwhile,
Turkish Radio Television Did,
did an interesting report of the
South Carolina primary and came
up with this
Unknown: today for the past two
days in South Carolina. We've
been hearing the same message
from voter after voter. They
believe only one man can defeat
the president occupant of the
White House.
My vote for Donald Trump. We've
got to get Biden out of office.
We've got a it's it's a shame
what is being done to the man is
old
to
Adam Curry: South Carolina
Republicans. They even have
compassion for Joe but
Unknown: there were very few
people bucking the trend. Many
of the votes Haley did get were
from Democrats so determined to
stop Trump that they temporarily
switched parties. Now
Adam Curry: listen to this lady,
and tell me this is not a
maniacal person.
Unknown: I voted outside of my
party because I think it's
important for somebody other
than President Trump to have a
chance so I voted for Nikki
Haley
but you're a Democrat. I am so
you're you're taking part in the
Republican primary.
I am. Yep. First time ever my
parents would be horrified.
Adam Curry: Tell me tell me that
person isn't deranged. Wow.
rather interesting, then we
them, you know, but so here's
the unhinged part. And people
are coming apart at the seams
and it's kind of weird. Bob
Costas, I don't know much about
sports ball. But I remember Bob
Costas. Bob Costas was the cool
collected dude, who did the
sports ball announcement. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: And he they
actually game a late night show
for a while he took over from
stock Tom Snyder. Right. And he
could do what Tom Snyder's old
it's called The Late Late Show,
whatever was
Adam Curry: called he couldn't
Broadway.
John C Dvorak: Well, he actually
could. Yeah, he was pretty good.
But he was not. He was not as
good as Snyder's
Adam Curry: run into some
controversy. Didn't he get
kicked off for that? Because
I'm, why do I even know this?
But I have a feeling that he got
D platformed. I'm sure it's I'm
sure Italy on page because he
didn't he have some I'm gonna
say sex scandal when there's
something like that. Anyway, he
was on Smerconish. He was on
Smerconish and the poor Bob
Costas coming apart, you come
Unknown: at this from a position
of not wanting to see Trump get
elected. You should state that
at the outset. True. Yes,
absolutely. He is by far the
most disgraceful figure in
modern presidential history.
He's only become more
disgraceful since 2016. And
since 2020, he has a bubbling
cauldron of loathsome traits.
And it's only those who are
actually suffering from Trump
derangement syndrome, which is
the way they and Fox News and
all the rest of Magha media try
to brush aside all the
legitimate criticisms of Trump,
you have to be in the throes of
some sort of toxic delusion, in
an A toxic cult to believe that
Donald Trump has ever been in
any sense, emotionally,
psychologically, intellectually
or ethically fit to be president
of the United States.
Adam Curry: So you gotta be in
some kind of cult.
John C Dvorak: Man play the
beginning of that clip, again,
just the first couple sentences.
Sure
Unknown: you come at this from a
position of not wanting to see
Trump get elected. You should
state that at the outset. True.
Yes, absolutely. He is by far
the most disgraceful figure in
modern presidential history.
He's only become more
disgraceful since 2016. Yeah,
okay. So what specifically is he
talking about?
Adam Curry: He's because he's
putting people into a coat. This
is part of a narrative. I didn't
want to do it this early in the
show, but I might as well
there's a there's a narrative
that they've been way just
waiting, waiting to spring and
you know, the, it's the whole
religious cults mean, and
they've just been waiting to do
this. And they finally got an
opportunity. And when I say
they, that's the Democratic
machine. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yeah. But I'm
gonna stop you before he I want
to hear this. But I'd like to
know specifics here. If you're
going to start making these
accusations that all the
Democrats do Oh, Trump is a
criminal. Oh, Trump is this he's
that. Give me one example.
Adam Curry: But why are you
asking me I'm not Bob Costas
buf. You're,
John C Dvorak: you're the one
with the presentation. Bob
Costas. Did he ever say what the
what this disgraceful that? What
does this disgraces worse?
Specifically? What are they?
Adam Curry: No, I think Hold on.
Again this I didn't want to do
this here but I'm going to do it
now let me go back to this Bob
Costas thing because at the end
he says in
John C Dvorak: an A toxic cult
that's what he says this is the
point of to be in the throes of
some sort of toxic delusion in
an A toxic cult visit this is
what he likes the word toxics
Yes. So we have to assume that
toxic is on the list toxic Yes.
Yes that we're gonna be hearing
that's
Adam Curry: yes it is. We kind
of roll out the the
John C Dvorak: wildlife toxic by
the way it's a good word.
Adam Curry: I thought we had
that in toxic what what was the
more recall it again, the Trump
John C Dvorak: was the list
Trump derangement syndrome now,
we
Adam Curry: had a list we had we
had a name for the list. The
rotation that
John C Dvorak: Trump rotation
Yeah, the Trump rotation. Let's
review online. Let's
Adam Curry: review. It's only 58
seconds. Let's see from 2016
Let's see if toxic was on the
list. I have
John C Dvorak: my list and you
might want to see if there's
anything I left out. This is the
Trump rotation and his two
categories is irregular and then
there's the criminal but here we
go. Ready? Here we go. Liar,
incompetent, unhinged,
illegitimate President white
supremacist, racist bully,
immature Russian agent
narcissist mean long ties,
insane tweets too much small
hands all penis big red button,
criminal. Me racist, immature
sin skin runs the Mark has no
money. Unstable, fatter than 239
pounds and bankrupt 25th
amendment and should be
instituted. He hates women
misogynist holds grudges forever
plays golf a lot obstruction of
justice, money laundering and
clown.
Adam Curry: John? No, no wonder
we're making America white
again. So no toxic on the list.
You're right. It's new. It's new
for the list. But they're going
with a different tact. That the
it's been the white Christian
nationalists for a while now.
And now we have to make that
into a cult. It's not a
religion, by the way. White
Nationalist not a religion.
Christian nationalist. Not a
Religion. No, it's a cult. And
it's a political cult. And
that's what cost is. I don't
think Costas can bring himself
to do the full thing. But it
really started with a beautiful
switcheroo which included the
University of Alabama, which is
a major woke University. I mean,
like major major woke. So
John C Dvorak: there was the as
bad as Arkansas.
Adam Curry: Maybe even worse,
maybe even worse. Watch the
documentary. Was it Bama with
all the girls going there and
social media is an interesting
documentary anyway. So in
Alabama, there was a court case
that went up to the Allah the
Alabama Supreme Court cup at a
two couples you're banging your
mic. It was too cold,
John C Dvorak: not banging the
mic? Well, whatever it is
something else and I'm trying to
stop it from happening. I'm not
sure what to lubricate. I do
have the IVs. No, I
Adam Curry: have it all. I'm not
going to lubricate every time
you want me to present it? Or do
you want to interject? No, I
John C Dvorak: do. I literally
have a clip. of it. Of course.
The PBS clips have
Adam Curry: a million drive to
many clips, I can't even play
them all. But I want to I want
to explain because it's fun to
see the switcheroo. And we don't
need to have a clip necessarily
about what actually happened.
Other than two couples in
Alabama, they had had children
with IVF IVF. IVF is where you
actually create the child and in
a petri dish, and then you
freeze it until you implant it
in the womb. And
John C Dvorak: ants for in vitro
fertilization.
Adam Curry: Thank you. And you
get twins often, by the way,
which is always a fun little
side effect. And so they paid a
company to keep their the dad
successfully implanted and had
kids both of these couples, and
then the company that's supposed
to take care of their embryo,
the frozen embryos, they screwed
it up, and they dropped on the
floor swept them up. I don't
know what happened, something
horrible went wrong. And so they
sued them for wrongful death.
Which then, which who knows how
much of this is all a setup, but
they sue for wrongful death and
the Supreme Court justice in
Alabama, came out with the
opinion says yep, their
children. So it's wrongful
death, therefore, you can be
penalized for that. And then the
University of Alabama turns
around and goes, Oh, well, we
can do any IVF. Now because it's
scary, so scary because we might
get sued if we drop a child on
the ground, which is the setup
and the switcheroo happens right
away in the mainstream
Unknown: women relying on it.
IVF and their advocates had
feared the fall of Roe would
open the door to States further
restricting reproductive rights.
Still, the Alabama decision sent
shockwaves this
case or a case like it could go
all the way up to the Supreme
Court at some point. And that's
what really puts the future of
fertility care at risk. Kate
Weldon LeBlanc heads up resolve
New England, an infertility
support group, her own daughter
Sophie was born through IVF. She
calls it an intensely personal
and emotional journey between an
individual and her doctor, not
politicians and judges, people
do not understand the medicine
of reproductive health care. So
Adam Curry: it's already gone
away from IVF. Immediately, no
one's talking about the actual
case. Now it's Roe v. Wade. It's
the hate children they hate any
the Republicans are crazy
Christians, and
Unknown: they are making changes
that are going to impact people
that are desperately trying to
welcome much wanted children
into their lives.
Adam Curry: Okay. So here's how
it gets, I guess, guess what?
John C Dvorak: I love the use of
the term much wanted.
Adam Curry: This whole thing is
crazy. I'm gonna give you a good
example, with the view because
that's where America's women go
to get their news. But
Unknown: you don't want to
explain to Republicans want to
stop rich people from having
children doesn't make sense. On
the one hand, they
want you to not have an
abortion, then they also don't
want you to have more children
make up your mind. Does
Adam Curry: that make sense?
She's literally lying and turn
and turning everything around,
Unknown: whatever, whatever that
I actually think they do want
you to have more children. And
they're just not saying the
quiet part out loud, necessarily
Adam Curry: Halston. What is she
needs to bring some racism into
it. Remember, it's white
Christian nationalists that
we're going after we'll get to
that,
Unknown: right, which is
multicultural Americans are
going to become the majority
population by 20. By 2050, the
Hispanic Hispanic Americans are
expected to have the most
population increase of about 6%
while the white population is
expected to decrease by about
11%. At this time, the birth
rate for white Americans in this
country has been falling since
the great recession. And it's
dropped almost 23% between 2007
and 2022. So
Adam Curry: what the view has
now done is they've taken it
from rich whities to they you
know, they only the rich whities
want to have babies they don't
want to have oh, don't give
don't give black and brown
people access to this crazy
technology that is brand new
apparently. So
Unknown: but when white women
beginning the IVF so that is
that they why they want IVF but
they can't say yes, an embryo
embryo they they're they're
coming out sort of against it
and not being able to explain
why they want to have more
American white children born
because the birth rate has gone
down. Okay,
Adam Curry: so that's the views
take on it. But what really
kicked off was this woman from
Politico, Heidi pres Bella. And
she went on MSNBC with Michael
Steele is not the guy who used
to be the the president of the
Republican Party.
John C Dvorak: He used to be the
head of the Republican National
Committee turned Democrat isn't
the kind of guy he is is it
Adam Curry: Greg and Ben she
just and she did did exactly
what her WaPo because this isn't
political owned by WaPo.
John C Dvorak: Slate is
Adam Curry: owned by Wow. Okay.
All right. Well, same overlords
as far as I'm concerned. She She
kicked it all off and got it
going. And I think she I think
she went a bit too far. But it
was beautiful to see Heidi
Unknown: you got the new
speaker, Mike Dawson who's not
afraid to wear his Christianity
on his SQLI on his sleeve, his
collar his lapel his head
wherever he can wear it. How do
members react to that? How are
they responding to this real
strong infusion of Christian
nationalism into the
John C Dvorak: lie second, this
phony baloney this guy who's
who's hateful. We had it once
head of the Republican National
Committee once he was booted off
he became a Democrat which he
always was. He was never any
good at it. He's This is a lie.
I've watched enough of Mike
Johnson he rarely talks about
being religious. He is aware of
it on his sleeve
Adam Curry: I won't know but
this this is a setup that's been
planned. We've got a we've got a
documentary and we've
John C Dvorak: got a thesis I'm
just pushing back no I love that
crap. I love that you love it.
You hear from these boneheads I
Adam Curry: love by the way
troll room absolutely spot on.
Meanwhile, white girls are
having sex with black men. I
mean, what are we doing? We all
know what's really going on.
That's fine. This is America.
But no, it's really about making
Trump and his I'm so poor, it's
all about Trump. It's all about
Trump. It's all about Trump. And
it's a desperate, desperate
attempt
Unknown: a real strong infusion
of Christian nationalism into
the body politic of the house.
I've talked with a lot of
experts on this and I've seen it
myself with my reporting,
Michael, which is the base of
the Republican Party has
shifted, right? Remember when
Trump ran in 2016? A lot of the
mainline evangelicals wanted
nothing to do with the divorced
you know, real estate mogul who
cheated on his wife and with a
porn star and all of that,
right? No,
Adam Curry: I don't remember
that. Right. What was that
really ever thing did did did
the main line Christians run
away from Trump? Because?
Because he right, because he
cheated on his wife with a porn
star or did you make that up in
your head lady? That right?
That's right. That's the part I
love the most is like, right
when
Unknown: Trump ran in 2016. A
lot of the mainline evangelicals
wanted nothing to do with the
divorced you know, real estate
mogul who cheated on his wife
and with a porn star and all of
that. Right. Right. So what
happened he was surrounded by
this more extremest. You're
gonna hear words like Christian
nationalism, like the New
Apostolic reformation these
Adam Curry: now this is this is
this got my interest in New
Apostolic reformation. This is
something that started in in
1996, by a professor, Dr. Peter
Wagner. And the you know, it's
not really mainstream anymore
did start kind of the
Charismatics movement, which,
you know, if this is what
they're failing on, they don't
have any video of the
Charismatics in their churches.
Because, you know, they're very
moving around and speaking in
tongues and very vocal, and
they're completely you know, the
Holy Spirit is working through
them. So, this is the cult
Angular,
John C Dvorak: by the way. Well,
you just pointed out is a
weakness. Yes. Because the I
don't think they really know
what they're talking about,
probably on any level. No. And
so if they if they knew what
they were talking about that
that's what they would go get
the and you Ryan role of a
Pentecostal Thursday night or
whatever, weird night they do
this, these jumping around
things, talking in tongues and
just go for it.
Adam Curry: I mean, we have one
guy like that in our church, we
love him, you know, he'll just
like he's like as tourists like,
Jesus, and, and he's great. But
we only have one, you know, but
so, anyway, so you
John C Dvorak: have to imagine a
church full of them. That's what
you
Unknown: need Christian
nationalism, like the New
Apostolic reformation, these are
groups that you should get very,
very schooled on because they
have a lot of power in Trump's
circle. And the one thing that
unites they have a lot of power
in Trump's circle, tell him
because there's many different
groups orbiting Trump, but the
thing that we're not unites them
as Christian nationalists, not
Christians, by the way, because
Christian nationalist is very
different. Is that
Adam Curry: okay, so Christians
is very different from Christian
nationalists. This is this is
part of the meme. They're trying
to not piss off Christians, by
saying Christian nationalist is
very different
Unknown: unites them as
Christian nationalists, not
Christians, by the way, because
Christian nationalist is very
different, is that they believe
that our rights as Americans, as
all human beings, don't come
from any earthly authority. They
don't come from Congress, they
don't come to their Supreme
Court. They come from God. Okay,
Adam Curry: newsflash, Heidi.
The rights that we have in the
Bill of Rights, as written or
established were not given to us
by Congress, or by the
Constitution. The Bill of Rights
is a specific denial of things
for the government. Then if you
look at the Declaration of
Independence, yes, these were a
God given rights. And now, but
this is the level of knowledge
of civics amongst this reporting
classes
John C Dvorak: that are they're
specifically trying to undermine
the Constitution both
Unknown: the problem with that
is that they are determining
man, men. Men are determining
what God is telling them. And in
the past, that so called natural
law is, you know, it's a pillar
of Catholicism. Catholicism, for
instance, has been used.
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a
second. So we talked to our
lapsed Catholic, is that a
pillar of Catholicism? No, I
John C Dvorak: don't know. For
Unknown: good and social justice
campaigns. Martin Luther King
evoked it in tos. Yes.
Adam Curry: You said all men are
created equal. That's what
Martin Luther King said and that
and I think Martin Luther King
said that came from God. But you
know, that was Martin Luther
King. He was better
Unknown: talking about civil
rights, but now you have an
extremist element of
conservative Christians.
Adam Curry: That word I love
extremists, not extremists. He
loves
John C Dvorak: that word.
Extremis. She says Extremis does
have extremists which everybody
in the world says extremist. But
she says extremest Why
Adam Curry: is she doing that?
What is the point?
John C Dvorak: Because he used
to get it. It's an attention
getter as an attention getting a
pronunciation mode work ceramist
Unknown: element of conservative
Christians who say that this
applies specifically to issues
including abortion, gay
marriage, and it's going much
further than that, as you see,
for instance, with a ruling in
Alabama, this week that judges
connected to that Dominionist
faction in talking about a lot
of other issues, including
surrogacy IVF you know, sex
education in schools, is there's
a lot in addition,
Adam Curry: okay, so what she's
trying to do here and I think
she she overshot the mark is
she's trying to tie wear, tie
Dominionism and the New
Apostolic. What is it New
Apostolic is a revolution and
eon forgot
John C Dvorak: what she said.
But they're not working, she
can't do but she can't jumble
all these things together like
that, and hope to get any
attention, or get any anybody to
go along with it. Because she,
she's nuts. She doesn't know
what she's talking about.
Adam Curry: While she tries to
will steal tries to bring her
back on track, because she needs
to, of course, connect this to
Mike Johnson, the Speaker of
your house, you have to
understand, the whole idea is to
tell to tell America, the people
who want to run this country are
crazy.
Unknown: You know, it's
interesting how DSC is these two
men are trying to carve the GOP
into their image. You've got the
titular head of the party,
Donald Trump, who is not a
paragon of Christian virtue, how
do they reconcile that? What is
Is it just about oh, he got us a
Supreme Court? Is it just about
he advocates for the things that
we advocate doesn't matter
whether or not he himself
believes them, or has any type
of moral connection, or even a
theocratic one, given what we're
saying,
it really depends on the
individual but with let's talk,
for instance, about his
spiritual adviser, Paula White,
who was a White House employee,
she was his spiritual adviser,
she is connected to this
Dominionist movement. And a lot
of those individuals believe
that Trump actually was put here
by God, he even tweeted this
video, you know, that God gave
us, Trump that he is a serious
like, person who is imperfect
vessel, who is nevertheless
here, put on earth to do God's
work to put
Adam Curry: it now she's taking
that commercial. And she's tying
it all in. I love the effort
Unknown: of Christianity back at
the center of civic life. And
you see that manifesting, not
just in the course. And we're
seeing that like with the IVF
rolling with the myth of per
stone ruling now that is making
its way to the Supreme Court.
But with Project 2025, which is
an agenda that's being very
detailed agenda that's going to
be offered up to President Trump
or if he wins a second term,
right. And
Adam Curry: she already knows
he's gonna win. Oops. I mean, if
he wins, I mean, it's easy when
President Trump
Unknown: to to work through HHS,
the Department of Human Health
and Human Services, as well as
potentially the FDA that would
really kind of bypass even the
courts and Congress to do things
like revoke authorization of the
abortion pill. And then and this
is the one that doesn't get
enough influence. enough
attention is the influence or
campaign that's taking place.
Oh,
Adam Curry: wait, this is the
internet. Now we got to bring in
a Charlie Kirk and turning point
USA, because these people are
crazy. They are paying
influencers right
Unknown: now in the GOP to
convince young women to ditch
hormonal birth control that that
they are they are sicker, and
they are more stressed out being
working women and that they
should embrace being healthier
and more natural. And what a
crazy idea being large families
and you know, daycare is not
good for your kids either. And
all of these things actually
happen at a turning point USA
conference for young women
leaders.
Adam Curry: Okay, so she really
overshot the mark. She went way
too far, because she was just
supposed to tee up some stuff
and let all the serious media
like NPR. Oh, yeah, no and NPR.
Unknown: elitist voices in
America. This is NPR. So
Adam Curry: when PBS to NPR
brings on this guy think Matthew
Taylor. He's a scholar. He's a
scholar with a book and he's
going to really explain to us
what's going on with these crazy
Christian nationalists
Dominionists dominion theology.
Unknown: The concept was coined
by a group of radical Calvinist
theologians called
John C Dvorak: for a second Just
a little background under the
Dominionist. slur, yes, it was
actually developed and maxed out
during the George W. Bush
administration for anyone who
wants
Adam Curry: to always think
about is that when they, they
tried it there. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: this is when they
first came out into Dominionist.
That's when it really got into
the forefront. And there was
discussion after discussion
about what the Dominionists
want, they want the end of the
world, and the end of the world
is going to take place in
Israel. And even though the
Syrian six is going to take
place someplace else, they
everyone in the Middle East has
their own little area where
Armageddon, of course, but the
but the Dominionists believe
it's in Jerusalem or something
like that, I may have a few
details wrong. But this was
going to be the end of the
world. And that's what everyone
was pushing for. Because George
W. Bush and the Dominionist want
to end the world as we know it,
they want the whole thing to
blow up.
Adam Curry: Sorry, that was that
John C Dvorak: was the reason
for the so it really became a
big deal. So now they're
reintroducing the term and the
group and the red a lot of
people are very serious about
being Dominionist. I think I
heard from a couple of them
myself. And but it's a it's,
it's absolutely one of the most
fringe of fringe, Christian
movements, very fringe, and so
to bring it up as a mainstream
anything is ludicrous, dominion
Unknown: theology. The concept
was coined by a group of radical
Calvinist theologians called the
Christian Reconstructionist. In
the 1960s, and 1970s. These
ideas were very influential in
the rise of the religious right
in the 1980s. It was this
aggressive style of Christian
theology that said, Christians
need to fulfill what they would
talk about as the Dominion
mandate, take dominion over
societies and rule in the name
of Christ. The main vehicle for
this idea in ER circles is
something called the seventh
mountain mandate, that became a
charismatic rebranding of these
Calvinist dominion theology
ideas that Wagner and his cohort
mixed together into the seventh
mountain mandate.
And in fact, Justice Parker
referred to the seventh mountain
mandate, in an interview he did
with an MA our prophet named
Johnny and Lo. And it was
published the same day as the
court's decision that embryos
count as people.
Adam Curry: I love this stretch.
Because I thought it was going
to be in the opinion, I got the
PDF of the Alabama judges
opinion, like, oh, there was
nothing in there about that. So
he did an interview with an NAR
dude. And it came out the same
day. And she doesn't say
anything just as off handedly.
Oh, yeah. The seventh mountain
mandate, also something I'd
never heard of before.
Unknown: So the seven mountain
mandate means that you have to
go into the institutions of
government and what else?
The Seven Mountains are family,
religion, education, government,
arts and entertainment, media,
and business or commerce. Oh,
shit,
Adam Curry: forgot podcasting.
What's wrong with you?
Unknown: The idea is if you
divide up society into these
seven spheres, as you can rule
the world times language you'll
hear used as well. The idea is
that those mountains those those
spheres of society are either
ruled over by demonic forces, or
by the
John C Dvorak: entertainment.
Well, that's exactly Taylor
Swift. It's where
Adam Curry: do we not agree? We
gotta agree with that. And
Unknown: so the goal for
Christians is to rise to the top
of each of the seven mountains
in every society and to displace
the demonic powers through
spiritual warfare through
meanwhile
Adam Curry: the Jews are going
Hey, media, that's our mountain,
get off our mountain Christian
crazy seven
Unknown: mountains in every
society, and to displace the
demonic powers through spiritual
warfare through prophecy, and
take over conquer the mountains
and then let Christian influence
flow down from the top. So if
you think about conventional
religious right mobilization, it
is tended to filter or channel
conservative Christian
indignation into democratic
means. This is a Vanguard move.
This is not a grassroots change
society. This is taking over
positions of power in society.
Don't get me from the top down.
Adam Curry: Come on, don't don't
give me that. A couple more to
go. I'm skipping as much as I
can, because I can already hear
you're annoyed.
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, what
for one thing, I want to back up
at least once in a while and
say, This is so fringe, but it's
ridiculous. They bring it in as
something is actually happening
at any level. If you go to
seventh mountain mandate, and
Wikipedia, they have this kind
of a background emphasis never
really became caught on until, I
guess the 2013 And then it was
about to seven mountains, not
about the other stuff to
Dominionist and then they have
your prominent followers
Adam Curry: now. Okay,
John C Dvorak: who do we have?
Mike Johnson? Yeah, exactly.
rafail Cruz, pastor and father
of Senator Ted Cruz, you know,
the guy who tried to kill
Kennedy? Paul, a white spiritual
adviser. Yeah, Trump. Yes. But
this is Lauren Bobert. Really?
Adam Curry: All right. So but
but now we have to take this and
we've got to connect it to the
John C Dvorak: right, they
actually want to stop again.
This is a site this is bought.
This is a setup. This was I'm
going to look into the target.
This has recently been been
added.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. This Oh, I
totally agree. The seven
mountain mandate Wikipedia page
has been updated recently. Look
at the look at the edits. Yeah,
looking now. Okay, so then he
goes into separation of church
and state, which I'm going to
skip that one. But what we need
to do we need to, we need to
connect these crazy people,
these crazy Dominionist, seven
mountain charismatic nut jobs,
also known as Christian
nationalists, to January 6,
Unknown: but how much of this
rhetoric is metaphorical? I
mean, are we talking about real
demons? When they talk about
picking up weapons? Are they
talking about real weapons?
They would say it's not
metaphorical. They believe the
demons are real. But they would
say they are only talking about
spiritual warfare. No
challenges. If you go and listen
to their rhetoric, it is
incredibly violent, violent,
they're pointing at actual
people, pointing at the
Democratic Party pointing at
disloyal Republicans as they
view them, and saying, Those
people are not actually
responsible for their actions
because they are being
orchestrated by demons. And we
need to fight the demons. And
this literal demonization of
their enemies is one of the
major contributing factors to
the chaos on January 6, they are
pointing at them and saying that
building is infested with
demons, we need to fight the
demons. I did
Adam Curry: not hear those
chants. On January 6, I haven't
seen that footage. And it's only
Unknown: a matter of time. If
you keep doing that before
someone says, Yeah, we need to
fight against those people. So
that they are leaders are
careful, they know where the
line is between truly
irresponsible speech that could
get you in legal trouble. None
of them have been prosecuted or
even face any legal consequences
for their role in January 6.
They know that what is protected
by free speech, and they walk
right up to that line. But
they're always careful not to
cross it.
Adam Curry: I'm not sure what he
means with that bit at all. But
his job here with his book, and
there's a couple books out, is
to connect the Trump backing
from Christian nationalists to
January 6. And all of this is of
course, a setup to a wonderful
documentary called God and
country, which is produced by
none other than Rob Reiner,
because he is the final hope for
the Democrats, the final hope to
get rid of Trump by telling
everybody the truth, we
Unknown: have a new project that
I also want to make sure people
know about your documentary, God
and country, which looks at this
issue of Christian nationalism,
we have a little bit of it.
Let's take a look. Christian
John C Dvorak: nationalism uses
Christianity as a means to an
end. In being some form of
authoritarianism. Being a
Christian is
Unknown: about the values of
inclusion, Christian
nationalism, it's certainly not
based on the values of the
gospel. God
wants America to be saved.
They're told over and over and
over again, that you're in
danger. You
Adam Curry: need to fight if you
don't want to lose your country,
we are in a civil war. And now,
what's being said here is the is
true, absolutely. The Christians
are always talking about we
don't want to lose our country
and the demons and all that, but
there's overlaying January 6
footage, as only Rob Reiner
could do,
Unknown: we'll show you in the
documentary. And by the way,
there are very conservative
Christian evangelicals, pastors,
very respected people in the in
the Christian community that are
frightened of this Christian
nationalist movement, because
it's not They not only
frightened about it hurting
democracy, but Christianity
itself. And we show in the film
that this movement was the
foundation for January 6, moving
elements that made January 6,
and the insurrection happened.
And now we have a speaker of the
House who is an avowed Christian
nationalists even says that the
the teachings of the Bible and
what he believes that whenever
he believes God's will is
overtakes the Constitution and
that all decisions have to be
made based on his thinking. So,
we have this now in inculcated
in our government. And Donald
Trump is more than happy to be
there mouth. And we see this,
this connection, and it's
brought out in the film. And
it's very scary because it's
very possibility. We talked
about it in the film scared that
we could slip into an autocracy
very easily. You hear this all
the time and
John C Dvorak: say, what any
minute,
Unknown: any minute on many
other shows that the fight right
now is between whether or not we
preserve our democracy, or we
slip into a theocratic
autocracy. This movement wants,
they believe that this is a
white Christian nation. That's
what it should be. And that's
what we bring out in the film.
And they're not only poisoning
the democracy, they're also
poisoning Christianity.
John C Dvorak: Oh, shoot. Oh,
yes. Here's the real irony. And
the big disappointment here. Rob
Reiner is a direct I used to be
a really good director for
fictional product. He wasn't
he's not a documentarian. The
Democrats lost their guy,
Michael Moore, when he did his
documentary on the scam of
climate change. And they just he
was just eliminated from the
picture. Where's Michael Moore
this this go around when he's
usually does the kind of
documentaries that now they have
to pass it off to Rob Reiner.
Yeah, who's not a documentarian.
It doesn't know what he's doing?
Well,
Adam Curry: he produced it. A
guy named Dan Pat land is the
director. I'm not familiar with
him. And I have a clip of them
both in a minute. But I just
wanted to give a little, a
little palate refresher here
with joy Reed
Unknown: Johnson is so far out
there that even other
Republicans are pushing back on
the God talk. But this is why we
need to be very concerned. Mike
Johnson has the conviction, the
motivation, and now the
opportunity to steal the next
election for Donald Trump. He is
a far right wing evangelical
Christian who suggested his
election his house speaker was
ordained literally by God even
billing himself as a modern day,
Moses.
Adam Curry: I don't I don't
remember that.
John C Dvorak: I don't remember
that either. But does that is
that different than every black
football player in the world
thanking God and Jesus after the
game when they win? Oh, how
about
Adam Curry: how about the
Grammys? Thank you for God gave
me the Liberty grant.
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, you
can only do that so far. Taylor
Swift is gonna get mad. But oh,
Adam Curry: here comes your
kicker. So
Unknown: if God tells him to
steal a few elections to make
Trump president what you're
gonna do? And then what happens
if God tells him to make Trump
president for life? Oh,
Adam Curry: yeah. Okay.
John C Dvorak: All right. This
is she she's gonna burn in hell.
Let's face it. Okay, so
Adam Curry: I only have three
more clips, and then I'll stop.
I could play 20 more because I
find it fascinating to
John C Dvorak: do a whole show.
We do a special once you do a
special.
Adam Curry: A special. Yeah. Do
you remember? Okay, maybe I'll
do a special what what should I
call it? Oh, by the way. We were
looking for like a genocide Joe
name for Hillary. We got
Holocaust, Hillary. It writes
itself. I can't believe that we
didn't come up with it. So we
did now Do you remember Laura
Flanders?
John C Dvorak: Course she still
has a show? Did you know that?
Adam Curry: I didn't. I didn't
know she had a TV podcast a show
John C Dvorak: a podcast show
does she has a she does show
that goes over the air.
Adam Curry: So this was a
podcast. Okay, well, I
John C Dvorak: think her podcast
is the same show. Well,
Adam Curry: Laura Flanders had
Rob Reiner. And all
John C Dvorak: those two
together just like and Dan price
it and it
Adam Curry: really is surprised
because there were some
revelations in here. So Briner
produce the movie, the movie, I
say with the big name the
documentary, Dan Petland is the
director. Well,
Unknown: then this top class of
ambassadors.
Adam Curry: So what he's doing
here, he's going to, he has a
chart and he says, Hold
John C Dvorak: on a second. How
come he's going around that what
producer to you know, and we
have a few that work on our
show. Go around to promote,
usually the director or the main
character is usually it's not
the producer nests. And this is
producer director that goes
around promoting the movie
unless they did it. But
Adam Curry: because they're
desperate, there's nothing left
to do. But now just go straight
to religion, which is one of the
most unAmerican things I could
think of, to be honest, to go
after religion and then you
know, couch it in all it's just
some fringe group and they're
all behind Trump. In the Dan,
Dan guy, he's dumb because he
says things that are stupid. So
he, he has this chart that she
puts up on the screen, and he
shows that 1/3 of America is is
really Christian, they're, you
know, they're just Christian.
They they believe in God and
Jesus Christ. And then there's
another third in the middle. And
they might be, maybe we can sway
them. But he has to admit that
two thirds of America is just
kind of believes in Jesus Christ
and God. But so and he says, But
you know, this movie, this movie
that he made, is to convince
that 1/3 in the middle to flip,
I guess, away from Jesus,
Unknown: well, then this top
class wrestlers, those are
probably most of the people
we're talking about when we say
Christian nationalists, this may
be as much as 20% of the
population. Okay, that's a huge,
huge number 20%, who have deeply
held beliefs that the United
States is adopting again,
John C Dvorak: I'm listening to
this, and I can't tell if it's
Rob Reiner speaking in a lower
register, or is it Laura
speaking, I can't tell,
Adam Curry: well, it's Petland.
It's the damn guy. Oh,
Unknown: it's the other guy. He
sounds like a combination of the
2%, who have deeply held beliefs
that the United States is and
should be officially a Christian
nation and are looking to write
that into law. That's the
population that we have to be
worried about. But what makes it
so difficult to address is that
when you consider the next tear,
people you'd call accommodators,
of Christian nationalism, or
even resistors. Now you're
talking about, really, almost
two thirds to three quarters of
the country have at least some
bit of Christian nationalist
belief. And some of that is
fine. Of course, this is
basically a Christian nation,
there's a background of
Christianity and throughout the,
you know, the history of this
republic, sort of benign ways
that it starts, which is just
recognizing that there's a lot
of Christian people here quickly
becomes a slippery slope, with
this casual language of WoW, but
the United States is basically a
Christian nation. Well, what
does that mean? What does that
mean? And I think what we have
to do is we have to draw that
bright line, again, between the
separation of church and state,
which is a foundational American
principle, which I cannot
believe in the year 2024 is
becoming fuzzy to people.
Adam Curry: So what they're
trying to say is that the
separation of church and state,
which is which they all point to
the First Amendment, where the
First Amendment says, the
government shall make no
religion, official religion
cannot block a religion, of
course, did matter, because the
church is closed anyway, when
they were told, Oh, scary COVID.
But what they're trying to do is
turn it around a little bit and
say, Hey, these Christians, they
can't be making laws based on
what they believe. And there is
something called the lemon test,
I believe, which could be used
to stop lawmakers. But in
general, if you're a Marxist or
socialist, you make and we have,
we have lots of socialist based
laws and Marxist based laws. But
they're very afraid that the
crazy Christian nationalists are
going to take hold, and they're
going to make all the laws based
upon what God told them.
Unknown: Well, one of the things
I learned that I didn't know
before of Robert from the film
was just how recent it is that
the word God appears on all
coins and the Pledge of
Allegiance. Well,
I was in school, actually, in
1954, when they added under God
in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Yes. And you know
Adam Curry: why they did that?
Was this true? In 1954,
President Eisenhower encouraged
Congress to add the words under
God, because of commies like
you. They were afraid of
communists taken over our
country and using our Pledge of
Allegiance as a communist
mantra. So the added, God
Unknown: used to be one nation,
indivisible, then it became one
nation under God, indivisible.
And I remember when that
happened, because we gave that
pledge every morning and in
school. So it you know, it
really started happening around
then. And we've seen it grow
over time, but the question you
asked, which is how do you undo
it? And the way in which you
undo it is do it not, you know,
you're never gonna get that hard
core group of people that just
believe it, and you can't
convince them. It's those others
those other layers that Dan
talked about, if you can get to
those people to understand make
them understand that this is
destroying their their faith in
a way that's it's undermining
their faith. That's the way in
which I think you can undo it
and then because
Adam Curry: these crazy
Christian nationalists are
really hurting Jesus,
Unknown: there's all kinds of
you know, pie in the sky kind of
things like getting rid of the
Electoral College and things
like that, which would actually
make it more democratic majority
will. We are we
enlightened, really majority get
rid of it high in the sky, but
Adam Curry: if we really want to
get rid of it rule
Unknown: in the country, there
are a lot of safeguards for the
minority to make sure that
they're not, you know, run rough
John yes over, you know, my
Bible electoral college,
Adam Curry: he wants to get rid
of it. It's pie in the sky. It's
like a dream is what he means by
that. It's a dream to get rid of
that. We'll work on that
already.
Unknown: But when when that
minority gets too much power,
then they're running roughshod
over the vast majority. That's
what you have to wrestle with.
And that's our it's, it's
interesting to understand how it
works.
Adam Curry: Alright, so final
clip, Rob Reiner. I thought he
was Jewish. He was born Jewish
into a Jewish family.
John C Dvorak: But we have an
atheist. Oh, no,
Adam Curry: we have a lot to
learn about. Ron Reiner's
religious beliefs
John C Dvorak: become a Buddhist
Unknown: Oh, from you've got on
a journey yourself. You've
talked about in the context of
this film. Even
though I am Jewish, I was not
raised that way. But when in a
time in my life, when I was
going through the worst period
of soul searching, I read
everything I read Buddhism, and
you know, books about
Christianity and Hinduism, I
read everything. And what I came
around thinking is the, if you
look at the core teachings of
Jesus, that makes the most sense
and made the most sense to me,
the idea of, you know, do unto
others, it's, and there's a
reason why it's called the
golden rule. Because if you can
live by that, everything else
falls into place. You don't need
the 10 commandments, you don't
need a lot if you just live by
that rule. And then I look at
the film, and I look at what's
happened in this country. And it
seems like we've come so far
from those teachings.
Adam Curry: Okay, so just to
review, he writes, he read some
books about Christianity, he
didn't read the Bible, we read
some books about him. And he
says, you know, the teachings of
Jesus Do unto others, which I
think he's referring to the
sermon on the mount the
Beatitudes, which are a little
bit more than that, but if you
are a masochist, like he is, do
unto others. I think he loves
that. Yeah, let me let me be
mean and hateful and spiteful,
and extremely hateful this guy,
and he wants that to be done to
him, then that's his golden
rule. That's his entire takeaway
from Hinduism, Buddhism, some
books about Christianity, and
being born a Jew, is please be
as mean to me as I am to you.
This guy, this guy is sinful.
That's what he is. So you
John C Dvorak: can look for us a
long way. You got a shaggy dog
story with that? Well,
Adam Curry: I mean, I have so
it's like PBS. Everyone was
rolling it out. It was insane.
And this is what I think is
gonna happen. These people are
so stupid. They're actually
going to create revival in
America.
John C Dvorak: That's overdue.
It's a cycle. Yeah. It is.
overdue. Studying this one was,
wasn't
Adam Curry: a glace, wasn't it?
Late 60s, late 60s, early 70s.
We had a war going on. But
everybody liked
John C Dvorak: not unlike in the
1800s. It was a real revival.
Adam Curry: 1800s tell me I
don't remember some tremendous,
John C Dvorak: like a decade of
revivalism that was just out of
control. We have seen nothing
like that in our lifetimes.
Adam Curry: Do you think it's a
cycle and we're overdue out
these shorts on? I think it's a
cycle and we're overdue. It's
the Jesus oppas coming?
John C Dvorak: Well, I don't
know. If the CIA gets its act
together, maybe. But so I'm not
seeing.
Adam Curry: I think they are so
desperate. This is the last
thing they can do. Let's connect
it to Trump. Let's connect it to
January 6. Let's bring in Rob
Reiner. I mean, that says
desperation right there. And I
think you're right. We're
overdue. It's a backfire. We're
going to have a revival and I
look forward to it.
John C Dvorak: I look at this
slightly different than you do.
Okay. I think this is just
laying the groundwork for
excuses how Trump lost the
election to Biden, when they
when they go through the same
process of rigging the election,
like they did last time. It was
done with mail in ballots, which
is gonna be much more difficult
to pull off this time. And
you're gonna sit and when it
happens, you say, Well, you
know, Trump says he got stolen.
But in fact, and then it goes
through the same thing you just
did. And these are the reasons
he lost.
Adam Curry: Oh, you so yours.
Wait a minute, how does that
work with our thesis that the
Democrats want Trump to win?
John C Dvorak: I think in fact,
I, well, it goes this, the two
things can be true at the same
time. I think the smart
Democrats do want Trump to win.
And because they know that
things are going to be so
screwed up. They may be out of
office for a long time if Biden
stays in for another four years,
and that's the smart money. But
Biden's people that got him in
the first time, which seems to
be like a locomotive out of
control, which is basically the
Obama administration. No You
know they're they don't think
that way
Adam Curry: well I mean I I
don't see how it just can't
happen now it's like I mean
we're there yet unless there's
unless they cheat better than
the Republicans the Republicans
will be ready though.
John C Dvorak: Now the
Republicans should be able to
cheat Yeah, it should hold their
own doing it. I don't I've never
thought the Republicans were as
good at it as the Democrats just
for example, Washington State
all mail in ballots all Republic
all Democrats and really bad
Democrats. Lousy ones like
insolently California. Absentee
ballots are way to go most
people do that. And then there's
also other notorious rigging
mechanisms in the
Adam Curry: cracy man it's
democracy democracy I would love
to switch gears to this fake
Moon Landing if and I see you
have a three by three so I'd be
excited to do that if your game
John C Dvorak: yeah, I want to
do this yeah, let's do the moon
landing. I got a three by three
here that I want to start it
well, you played the jingle and
Adam Curry: three by three
Hello, everybody. By JC day Yes,
we got a bearing story from ABC
over 50 years to get back to the
moon, everybody and boy was it a
doozy? Are you waiting for the
video standby John's got a three
by three to see how the Big
Three news networks news shows
covered it.
John C Dvorak: We'll start with
the top network for people who
watch news on TV ABC. It's
Unknown: a mission with major
implications the first American
spacecraft to land on the moon
in more than 50 years.
Separation confirmed the lunar
lander Odysseus nicknamed od
built by Houston base intuitive
machines blasting off a week ago
on a SpaceX Falcon nine rocket
traveling a quarter of a million
miles to the moon od carrying
instruments that will gather
information about the lunar
surface ahead of NASA's Artemis
mission to the moon in 2026.
With humans on bull Americans
first landed on the moon on
Apollo 11. In 1969, we will be
here
from now on
or what will be truly a historic
time for man
the last time back in 1972 On
Apollo 17. Now OTS mission sets
into motion a new beginning and
exploring the moon and the
universe. That self pool The
Dark Side of the Moon has water
and ice which is critical if we
want to use the moon as a home
base to one day explore Mars and
beyond the
moon has 1/6 the gravity of
earth and no atmosphere. So it's
a much easier place to launch
deeper into the solar system. It
really is the launching pad into
human exploration out into deep
space.
And David we have just received
confirmation od has made it to
the lunar surface at that South
Pole that critical South Pole
where there is water and ice. So
od has officially landed on the
moon
Adam Curry: by MIT. I thought
that it was going to find out if
there was water and yes and
John C Dvorak: I'm thinking and
how do they know there's water
and ice if it's winter to see if
there's water and ice because
they
Adam Curry: had a camera for the
landing. Oh, I'm sorry, they
didn't. It's so crazy. It's so
crazy when you see the old
footage almost as old as I am.
of you know driving the dune
buggy playing golf about bounced
around golf but we can't seem to
have an actual video of the
landing of this thing which
looks like something that Adam
and John could have put together
in our garage with some tin foil
and some broom handles well was
John C Dvorak: put together in
Texas So my understanding is
that it actually did come down
and it's kind of fell over. So
now it's on its side and it
doesn't have any mechanisms to
upright itself. It's not like
you know one of those like a
It's not like a like a cheap toy
he used to be able to buy at
Toys R Us at whatever the kid
did. It would slip itself back
to normal. Like they can't even
come up with that that
technology is old is with toys
to have it flips over his back
back standing up
Adam Curry: basically sand in
the bottom of the big. The big
clown you could hit and it was
read write itself. Nice. How
about training wheels?
John C Dvorak: Let's go with Tom
Costello and NBC.
Unknown: Leave it to a 14 foot
robot named Odysseus to stick
the first US Moon Landing since
Apollo stick the landing.
Adam Curry: Are you kidding me?
Stick the landing. I mean that's
that's a term with a plane. I
can't believe these people are
doing what we
Unknown: can confirm. Without a
doubt because our equipment is
On the surface of a man
Houston based intuitive machines
now
Adam Curry: does not sticking
the landing at all we
John C Dvorak: can confirm it's
on the moon if it crashed landed
in blue until the million pieces
you could say the same thing.
Unknown: Apollo, we can confirm.
Without a doubt
Adam Curry: right there without
a doubt that to me is the lie.
Without a doubt. He's got doubt
without
Unknown: a doubt because our
equipment is on the surface of
him in Houston
based intuitive machines now the
first private company to
successfully land on the moon
Houston
Odysseus has found his new home.
But now troubleshooting a
communications issue and with
one lunar lander this yes
launched on a SpaceX rocket just
seven days ago sending back
spectacular photos of earth as
it rocketed towards the lunar
South Pole on board six
Adam Curry: Nova spectacular
pictures of Earth all Did you
see the one picture I've seen
from this thing? Wasn't even
earth it was like a round metal
ball was somehow some snow on
it. I mean, did you see this
picture? No, it's very it's
very, very weird the
Unknown: back spectacular photos
of earth as it rocketed towards
the lunar South Pole. On board
six NASA experiments. The ice
water on the pole makes up
NASA's target zone when
astronauts return in just a few
years. Now they're
Adam Curry: also saying ice
water. They're just saying as if
it's that I'm confused. The top
two networks so far have said
that there is water on the moon.
Even though this fallen, this
tipped over thing is supposed to
find out if there's water on the
moon. This is good.
Unknown: This is the south pole
of the moon. That's correct. In
a NASA simulator, we saw the
hostile conditions they'll have
to navigate the sun hanging very
low on the horizon. Those
shadows are so long to cut
costs, NASA has hired 14 private
companies to run advanced
experiments on the moon, though
many could fail. It's really
really difficult to land on the
moon, air or slow you down. So
you can't use parachutes, the
Odysseus lander will only have
12 to 13 days before its solar
power runs out. But tonight,
just getting there is mission
accomplished. You know,
Adam Curry: what I love about
this is that everyone's coming
to my side of the argument never
landed there. It's so obvious
now. I mean, people who are all
in on they love mosques that
love space travel. They're
looking at this and going. Yeah,
it can't be that we have this is
it's really, really hard.
There's, you know, it's tough to
land on the moon. But how did we
do it? 50 years ago? Yeah, that
wasn't real. That was you know,
those kinds of the Russians.
It's amazing. It's,
John C Dvorak: I still think
that the image of comparing this
this little piece of crap and it
fell over, compared to the
driving around in a dune buggy,
playing golf, playing golf. Golf
is like a kind of a contrast.
But you never know it's
possible. That's when Wernher
von Braun was alive. Yeah. So
let's go to the CIA's best
outlet and see what they have to
say.
Unknown: Tonight, the Odyssey of
Odysseus has ended on the moon,
the first American made
spacecraft kicking up lunar dust
in more than a half century, as
our equipment is on the surface
of the moon.
Mission Control of intuitive
machines in Houston
Adam Curry: also, this this
mission control was dorky, like
a bunch of nerds in a round
room. I mean, it didn't have a
cool look and have a mission
controller guy, you know,
standing there like chewing on a
cigar. We're sitting, we're
sticking the landing boys now.
None of that. They know like,
oh, yeah, we did it. Yeah,
what's the first
Unknown: commercial Moon Landing
ever? The final descent from 18
miles above the lunar surface, a
continuous engine burn for 10
minutes by touchdown. Odysseus
had slowed to two miles per
hour. This is the assembly room.
Intuitive co founder Steve
ultimus showed us the historic
moon lander up close last year
in Houston. By the
Adam Curry: way that's
incorrect. The two miles per
hour but I have a clip to prove
that after the three by three,
his
Unknown: company envisions a
$100 billion lunar market.
We're delivering scientific
payloads engineering
demonstration payloads but not
the humans themselves.
And you believe the moon is the
next economic frontier. The
moon is certainly that next step
for space exploration. Odysseus
landed near the lunar South Pole
carrying less than 300 pounds of
cargo, including six instruments
for NASA and intuitive customer.
The space agency hopes to have
astronauts moonwalking bear by
the end of the decade walk some
critters, they're never seen
light so cold, they may contain
ice. And water is critical to
long term space exploration.
NASA plans to basically hire
these companies to send payloads
to the moon, like like you'd
call an Uber or Lyft. But these
companies have to make it work
first. And that's what we're
seeing today.
Not since the end of the Apollo
era has an American lander park
itself on the surface of the
moon. This mission will last
roughly a week until lunar night
freezes the solar batteries. Oh,
Adam Curry: and so they want the
thing is just dead in a week.
Oh, man so here is this is so
stupid
John C Dvorak: maybe dead now
for all we know. Yeah. Well,
listen, by the way that report
from CBS did not did the right
thing about the water.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but they lied
about the
Unknown: speed we think we came
down with like I said about six
miles an hour this way. And
about two miles an hour this way
and caught a foot in the surface
and and the lander has tipped
like we
Adam Curry: think he doesn't
even know they don't have to
help telemetry on this thing.
That the simplest, the sieve the
absolute simplest gadget in an
airplane can tell you if you're
flying on your side or upside
down. But we think we think we
are foot caught on you know,
maybe it was like a rock or
something and that we tipped
over
Unknown: the surface and and the
lander has tipped like this. And
we believe this is the surface
the orientation of the lander on
the moon doesn't
Adam Curry: even know the actual
orientation, which I think is to
spirit.
Unknown: And nearly 24 hours
later Scientists say the lander
is still stable and they do have
communication with it. The sun
is charging all the batteries on
board. Wait
Adam Curry: a minute, is the
Dark Side of the Moon?
John C Dvorak: No, they they've
mentioned that that's at the
point where the sun is just
glimpsing over the horizon. Oh,
Adam Curry: like a good little
use. I believe it right away I
believe all of this urging
Unknown: all of the batteries on
board. Now keep in mind they
have not seen any images from
the lander at this point and are
relying simply on data and code
to really understand what is
happening with the lander on the
moon. We did talk about pictures
from the surface. The scientists
say we could possibly see some
images later this weekend. But
at this time, scientists are not
commenting on whether or not any
of the payloads on board could
be in jeopardy if this lander is
in fact on its side.
Adam Curry: They don't even know
if it's on his side. I have one
more report. This will make it a
three by three plus one. This is
from Andersen 360 Kristin tell
us what's really going on with
this moon landing.
Unknown: The first time a
private company has ever done
this. The first time an American
made spacecraft has done this
since 1972. And Anderson it's
the first time that any
spacecraft has touched down on
the south pole of the moon a
critical spot. They think that's
where ice is water. It's where
NASA wants to build a lunar base
for Artemis astronauts, the
first astronauts to return to
the moon since the Apollo
program, and it's where China
wants to build a base as well.
Dr. Anderson's real nail biting
moments administrator described
it as an Apollo 13 moment with
no humans on board, of course,
because of some of the technical
issues they had to troubleshoot.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, what
happened? I mean, up until the
last second the difficulties Oh,
yeah, yeah,
Unknown: Anderson, It's so wild.
I mean, they really fixing on
the fly, they had an issue. You
know how radar works Radar
Radar, it sends out a radio
signal, which then bounces off
an object, which lets you tell
how far away you are from it.
Well, this is LIDAR laser,
instead of radio waves, light
waves bouncing off of it. And
that's what the spacecraft this
robotic uncrewed spacecraft uses
to find a safe landing spot
because the moon has, you know,
craters and boulders all over
it. There was a problem with
intuitive machines is LIDAR
navigation system. And so it
just so happened that NASA had
an experimental LIDAR payload.
Adam Curry: I loved a little
laugh in there. So just so
happened. The problem
Unknown: with intuitive machines
is LIDAR navigation system. And
so it just so happened that NASA
had an experimental LIDAR
payload on the lander as well.
They were somehow able to patch
it through to the lunar lander
Odysseus and that experimental
experimental NASA navigation
system Lidar is what they were
able to use to get this on the
surface of the moon so pretty
incredible that they were able
to pull it off but now we want
to see the pictures Anderson,
right.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we do right in
time for the boys get to work.
Can
John C Dvorak: someone explain
it was somebody asked? They
won't even bother to ask why
they're using LIDAR instead of
radar.
Adam Curry: Because it's LIDAR
li EDA our LIDAR.
John C Dvorak: Lidar, is it show
title? LIDAR?
Adam Curry: I'm writing it down.
John C Dvorak: Write it down.
Write it down.
Adam Curry: LIDAR. I like that a
lot. Oh, it's it's also it's
also a bunch.
John C Dvorak: That's just a,
let's just call it what it is.
How
Adam Curry: about how about it
being a
John C Dvorak: rock fell over
and that can't get up. I fallen
and I can't get up. Well, too
bad.
Adam Curry: Let's just say none
of its true. I'm just I'm not
believing it. And what is this
outfit? What is this intuitive
machines? Where's the CEO? look
him up. look
John C Dvorak: him up there in a
wiki page.
Adam Curry: Wiki page, but how
about now how about a page on
them? Intuitive machines. It's
an American Express Company
really? Were the investors let
me see you the different
company? No, no, no, no, no. And
Houston. We open access to the
moon for the progress of
John C Dvorak: humanity. Yeah.
Oh, they're American Express
Company.
Adam Curry: They're on NASDAQ.
Their public company. L U N. R
is the ticker symbol. Lunar Yes.
Founded in 2013. They've had
three NASA lunar missions. I
love this years of executive
aerospace experience. 250 years
of experience if you kind of all
the old dudes who must be
working there.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course.
Adam Curry: So was this a SPAC
this this smells of a SPAC? I
have no idea. Well, I think we
should short it.
John C Dvorak: No one who's ever
made money coming in? I don't
think so. Wow.
Adam Curry: Yeah. I thought it's
yes. No, it's not American
Express is an American company
headquartered in Houston,
founded by Steven ultimus, Cam
Ghaffari and Tim crane. Blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. Now they
got a lot of money. They must
have a lot of money that they
took it public.
John C Dvorak: That was just so
they cash out. That money comes
from the government.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Well,
how come we're never in these
these. These scams? Because
John C Dvorak: we're not
scammers. Oh,
Adam Curry: hello. You're right.
You're right. You're right. Walk
Bo 40 partnership and open
innovation strategists. We got
to talk to that guy. Hey, walk D
how do we get in on this
John C Dvorak: walk? Is that his
name? Was it me?
Unknown: Who walks the walk?
Dogs lobby.
Adam Curry: It's all these dudes
with crew cuts. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Well, fine. I mean, I wish
them well. Too bad. It tipped
over. We think we don't we don't
actually know. We don't actually
know if it tiptoe but even
John C Dvorak: thought that it
might tip over and there'd be
some mechanism to stand it back
up. That's what gets me if it
tipped over which I get this a
sense that it did. Yeah. They
couldn't stand it back up
because they never thought that
it would ever tip over. Hello.
Adam Curry: Listen to this. So
they have lunar access services.
One of them is rideshare. Let's
see. Yeah, rideshare. Getting
the space should be easy and
custom tailored to fit your
needs. Our lunar transfer orbit
delivery services can
accommodate up to 1000 kilograms
of payload and deliver customers
into a myriad of high energy
orbits. We launched payloads for
deployment after launch vehicle
separation, and from the
steadfast platform of our
landers in lunar orbit. Your
results may vary due to road and
weather conditions. So they're
going to be a rideshare
companies the Uber of space, I
get it.
John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah,
there's a moneymaker. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Somehow, you got to
think that this is bullcrap.
John C Dvorak: All right. Let's
go to Ukraine. Oh, goody. I
spotted a new term that we have
to keep an eye on okay. And this
this play Ukraine anniversary
the term is? Well, you'll hear
it in here. I used the initials
FSI Ukraine anniversary day,
Unknown: Russia's full scale
invasion of Ukraine enters the
whole circle. And on this
anniversary of the start of the
war, it's worth stepping back
and noting that neither Russia
nor Ukraine has made progress on
its goals. Despite hundreds of
1000s of casualties on both
sides. Russia has failed to
occupy all of Ukraine and
Ukraine has failed to retake all
of the land occupied by Russian
forces.
Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Never
Russia never said there would
going to occupy the whole
country. Tell
John C Dvorak: me about it. So
let's play the I want to play
these two FSI clips. These are
the two Ed This is Nick
Schifrin. The first one which is
I think you've just heard that
Yep. I played FSI but as
Ukrainian Oh, hold
Adam Curry: on, is that
something different? Oh, yeah,
this
John C Dvorak: this is from NPR.
Okay,
Adam Curry: thank you got it.
Before
Unknown: the full scale
invasion, the 28 year old who
asked us to withhold his last
name was a snowboard instructor
on a tour guide. Oh,
Adam Curry: full scale invasion.
Oh, so this is the new this is
the new new is like is
John C Dvorak: the new new. Hey,
listen, Putin and FSI on PBS
just to get it again.
Adam Curry: Yes. Okay. Russia's
Unknown: full scale invasion of
Ukraine enters its third year.
Adam Curry: Good catch. Good
catch. So
John C Dvorak: now this isn't
just you. I've heard about five
of these. And they've decided to
drop it. Now. Do you remember
when this started three years
ago?
Adam Curry: I certainly do.
There was no full
John C Dvorak: scale invasion or
a bunch of under fueled tanks
that kind of came into the
country. It stalled. And they
were just, you know, a full
scale invasion by the Russian
army wouldn't be what we were
seeing in Ukraine and the
Russians themselves just call it
a military action, a police
action. They didn't want to
work.
Adam Curry: militaries have
special military operation. It's
all about the region. Yeah. So
John C Dvorak: that is not a
full scale invasion. Yet PBS and
NPR among others, are now using
this term, full scale invasion.
Adam Curry: I feel ripped off by
these these great media
organizations.
John C Dvorak: So you heard part
one of the NPR full scale
invasion that's played Part Two
Ukranian grain
Unknown: runs low on ammunition
and weapons with resupplies from
the United States and other
allies more in doubt than ever.
Russia is going on the offensive
in Ukraine's east. Joining us to
discuss this as NPRs key
correspondent Joanna kisses.
Hey, Joanna. Hey, Scott. So tell
us how Ukrainians are observing
this anniversary today.
So Scott, it's a somber day
Ukrainians are very proud that
their country is still defending
itself against a much larger
enemy with a much larger
arsenal. But there is just a
sense of exhaustion and loss.
And you could really sense that
at a rally in central key today
where many were demonstrating to
highlight the cases of 1000s of
Ukrainian prisoners of war.
Here's Anton cut offs of he's a
49 year old soldier who was in a
cave on a short break from the
frontlines to see his elderly
Mom, I'm
not even sure to who this is
more difficult to the civilians
or to the soldiers. Like my mom,
for example, she's 80 years old,
but we are stronger than
Russians. We love freedom too
much. We love it more than they
love war. So we will win.
Adam Curry: We love freedom more
than they love war. Yeah, oh,
there's a slogan.
John C Dvorak: I love that one
cannot so this this was no good
this report. So we have to go
back to PBS. And let's get to
Victoria Nuland so he really get
to beat us up at the highest
level possible. She
Adam Curry: She was everywhere
she was she was with what's her
face with Christian aman, aman
poor. She was she was blanketing
and it's it's great to have her
back on the airwaves. Because
once again, it reminds us what's
evil and sin does to your
overall look. She is
Unknown: he looks terrible. The
Biden administration today
unveiled a new set of sanctions
against Russia to punish it
further for the full scale
invasion of Ukraine that began
two years ago tomorrow.
The sanctions are also meant to
target Russia for the death of
anti corruption activist and
politician Alexei Navalny. He
died in an Arctic prison one
week ago from a cause still
unknown. Earlier today I spoke
with the US Undersecretary of
State for Political Affairs
Victoria Nuland, about the state
of the war two years on Victoria
Nuland Welcome back to the News
Hour. As the world prepares to
mark the second anniversary of
Putin's Ukraine invasion,
Ukraine's counter offensive has
stalled. Ukraine lost a brutal
month long battle for up
Deepika. Additional funding, as
you well know, is stuck in the
GOP led house. And Russia is
showing no signs of quitting.
What is the outlook for Ukraine
right now?
Well, Jeff, you're not wrong,
that these are tough days for
Ukraine. And as you said,
they've had to come out of FDA
of coal. When I was out there a
couple of weeks ago, there were
soldiers on the front line, with
only 20 bullets a day to defend
themselves. And this is why the
administration is pushing so
hard for this additional $60
billion to support Ukraine.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so two things.
This 2020 shells a day is a meme
she's repeated everywhere and
what bull
John C Dvorak: crap is that I'm
sitting in a foxhole the
shooting at me. I got a bunch of
bucket full of bullets I shoot
to 20 off Am I even you got to
stop. This is your limit.
Adam Curry: That you're kidding
me know that because because of
Trump because Trump told the
GOP, not to pass the money, and
therefore, these poor Ukrainians
are sitting in their trenches,
because it's just like World War
One. It's a war of attrition.
And they only have 20 shells a
day. Now, when she says shells
is a little unclear if they have
that's 20 shells like these big
the big ones is shooting out of
the cannons. Or if that's, you
know,
John C Dvorak: when he bullets.
Adam Curry: Let me listen to it.
And that's it. That is important
battle
Unknown: for up deep cook in the
GOP. And I didn't like that she
said,
Adam Curry: You're not wrong
girl are
Unknown: not wrong, that these
are tough days for Ukraine. And
as you said, they've had to come
out of FDA of ko when I was out
there a couple of weeks ago,
there were soldiers on the front
line with only 20 bullets. Okay,
Adam Curry: she says bullets in
a report I have she said shell.
So it's bullets, maybe it's
shells. But she said bullets or
bullets as you said
John C Dvorak: bullets. Going in
a foxhole with a bucket full of
bullets and you can only shoot
20 of them if they come at ya
too bad. Don't use any more of
those bullets because you only
had 20 You got a bayonet,
Adam Curry: that's what the
bayonet is for.
John C Dvorak: Okay, I'm onward
with with her with her. With her
crap
Unknown: with this money, we
actually think that they can
make some serious gains in 2024,
particularly by enhancing some
of the asymmetric techniques
that they have been using
asymmetric
Adam Curry: technique, rocks.
What is an asymmetric technique
in warfare? Well,
John C Dvorak: they did. What
they showed is a fighter jets
little bitty drones would like
it was like a hand gun.
Adam Curry: taped to the front.
Yeah, that's the that's the
Canadians a goon or the UK a
million drones, a million tiny
drones,
John C Dvorak: these drones and
they got low hand gun, you can
see a little gun sitting down
there. And good flies around and
shoots just randomly every time
it shoots. It backs up about
five feet because of the Yeah,
this is asymmetric. Asymmetric.
Got
Unknown: it. But we need to
support them, just as the
Europeans have just given them
an additional $54 billion.
Well, so far, House Speaker Mike
Johnson has a need for us to
bring up a Senate passed package
or at least for a quick vote. Is
there a way for the
administration to get that much
needed aid to Ukraine absent
action from Congress? Jeff,
I would just start by reminding
that this bill passed
overwhelmingly in the Senate 70
senators supported it. And they
supported it because they
understand that as much as this
is about Ukraine's ability to
survive as a democratic state,
it is also about the larger
principles of a free and open
international order that
benefits the United States. And
that if we don't stand with
Ukraine is Putin wins here, then
dictators and tyrants all over
the world will take note, and
we'll get hungry with their own
territorial aspirations. So we
need to pass this money and the
American people broadly
understand that. So we are
hopeful that they will tell
their members when they're home
during this recess, how much
they support this, this money
and we already confident.
Adam Curry: Okay, so a couple
things. One, if we support the
money, too, they didn't go home
on their recess, they all went
to Ukraine. Everybody was in
Ukraine, Queen Ursula was in
Ukraine, Chuck Schumer is in
Ukraine, everyone is hanging out
Ukraine, bowing to Zelinsky. And
here's the question, if it's so
known that they only have 20
bullets a day, why hasn't Putin
gone full roughshod and just ran
right over everybody? If they if
they're out of ammo? That it's
it's the end of the exercise
here. If it really was a FSI,
don't you think that it would
have ended by now or is Putin's
mission he's in me, and we're
being told different than we're
being told.
John C Dvorak: The other thing
is throughout this interview,
and this is, how many clips are
there? Five times three? We're
at three now. We're on number
three. Throughout this
interview, and all the other
newless Have you heard not one
reporter even brought up or
mentioned negotiations to end
this idiotic war that's costing
billions and billions and 10s of
billions of dollars? Well, would
Adam Curry: you want to be out
of a job?
Unknown: Here we go. President
Biden today announced more than
500 sanctions on Russia. This is
the largest tranche since the
conflict started. Is this a
tacit admission that the
previous sanctions haven't
worked? What with Russia's
military industrial complex up
and running and
Adam Curry: I love I hear this
more often now, too. There's a
military industrial complex, but
it's only Russia. We don't have
one
Unknown: seemingly drawing on
limitless supplies and support
from its authoritarian allies.
Well, let me start with your
premise, Jeff that previous
sanctions haven't worked, Russia
has become a pariah state around
the world thrown out of the
international banking system.
And now so desperate for weapons
that it has to go to countries
like Iran and North Korea, Korea
to get them, but those Russians
are wily, and they have over the
last
Adam Curry: while they're wildly
love that one Russian those
Russians are wildly they're
wildly E Coyote
Unknown: to get them. But those
Russians are wildly and they
have over the last six months
found ways to evade sanctions at
but we've also got smarter about
how to hurt them then that's why
this package is so massive it
looks at punishing sanctions
evaders, it looks at closing
down further Russia's access to
credit and finance. It also
punishes for the death of the
leading opposition figure
Nirvani at the hands of Putin in
his present guards and it
sanctions of those involved in
the abduction of Ukrainian
children into Russia. So it is a
massive package. And partly it's
because we've got to staunch
this evasion.
Adam Curry: Can I just interject
your your clip sequence here
with one
John C Dvorak: no you can't
right now because you have to
back it up and listen to what
she said at the very end.
Adam Curry: I heard what about
the children? I heard about the
children? No, no, no.
John C Dvorak: There's this
phrase she uses that.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Oh, can I
do only to play the last few
seconds of that clip? Yeah.
Unknown: Those involved in the
abduction of Ukrainian children
into Russia so it is a massive
package and partly it's because
we've got to staunch this
evasion. staunch
Adam Curry: this evasion. Start
John C Dvorak: start a staunch
this invasion
Adam Curry: I think she said
evasion. She didn't say
injection didn't
John C Dvorak: say evasive but
the word I'm looking for PLAY
CLIP floor for because it's only
this these this term it
Unknown: is a massive package.
And partly it's because we've
got to staunch this evasion. And
because we have far more targets
now as we understand better how
to staunch the Russian
industrial complex, staunch look
John C Dvorak: it up scope
right. staunch and tell me what
the hell she's talking about
Adam Curry: firm and dependable,
especially in loyalty stopped
the flow of a liquid to staunch
to stop the flow. That's what
I'm getting right off the hand
right of hands. Stop staunch to
check or stop the flowing of
stop. We're checking its course
to make so stop to stop the flow
to staunch to staunch to stop
the flow. Doesn't sound like
defeat.
John C Dvorak: And I just found
it peculiar.
Adam Curry: No, it's ridiculous.
Can I play your clip? Yeah, just
about this sanctions. The great
sanctions that we've placed on
Russia,
Unknown: oil tankers like these
are still bringing Russian oil
into the EU, and it earned the
Kremlin 1.1 billion euros last
year. According to a new report
by the NGO Global Witness, a
legal loophole is allowing
Russia to sell its oil in the
EU. Despite the sanctions
against imports,
countries which haven't imposed
sanctions on Russian oil are
able to import millions of
barrels of Russian crude oil.
They refined them in those
countries and at the point that
they become a refined product
like fuel or diesel is no longer
considered Russian. And so this
fuel is freely imported into the
European Union. They
followed oil tanker movements
and delved into publicly
available Russian tax revenue
information in their research.
The oil is mainly coming through
India and Turkey, but also
Bulgaria, which is actually
inside the EU. When the EU
brought in the sanctions on
refined petroleum products in
February 2023. They did so with
limited exceptions. One of those
exceptions being to allow
Bulgaria to continue to import
refined oil in order to prevent
a major economic hit to the EU's
poorest nation. So
Adam Curry: bull crap. Oh crap.
They don't really mean it. They
just want money.
John C Dvorak: No, what's
interesting is that is the
figure that they used. This oil
coming out of Russia syrup,
surreptitiously brought them 1.4
billion. Were trying to ship 60
billion to Ukraine just so they
can have more than 10 bullets
Adam Curry: 20 It's 2020
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry,
Adam Curry: what am I think and
I hope your Newland clip has the
money shot does it five? Yes. Is
the money shot otherwise I got
the money shot. No,
John C Dvorak: I didn't. Mind
doesn't have them. I don't know
if it does or not. I know what
you're looking for. But once you
play this, then you play your
money shot. Okay.
Unknown: And this is up quite
worrying is that Russia has been
willing to intensify its
economic and security
relationship with China, in
fact, becoming increasingly
dependent on China. And that is
how it is fueling its war
machine. It's also been willing
to put the vast majority of its
own economic stimulus into the
war effort. So it is starving
Russia and Russians of
investment in education in their
own future all in service of
Putin's imperial ambitions. So
he is adjust as well.
As we wrap up our conversation,
you said you're confident that
the aid package will ultimately
pass Congress. There is this
question, though, of what good
would additionally What did
Adam Curry: he just say? He just
said on the pass, ultimately,
what do is adjust as
Unknown: well, as we wrap up our
conversation, you said you're
confident that she will
ultimately pass Congress? There
is this question, though, of
what good would additional aid
do especially among those who
view this as a war of attrition
and point to the slow progress
of Ukraine's counter offensive?
If the US continues to provide
Ukraine the same sorts of
weapons? Why wouldn't that lead
to a further stalemate,
first of all, this aid is going
to allow Ukraine to do four
things, it's going to allow them
to continue to fight, it's going
to allow them to build a highly
deterrent military of the
future, so that they will
increasingly be able to stand on
their own feet in security
terms, it's going to help them
recover and get more of their
own people home and rebuild
their tax base. So that we have,
there's less economic support
that they need from the rest of
the world. And it's also going
to help them reform and become a
more European democratic
country. With this money on the
battlefield. First and foremost,
it will ensure Ukraine can hold
the line. But as I said, they're
getting increasingly proficient
at asymmetric weapons. And I
expect, as I said, in Kyiv, a
couple of weeks ago, when I was
there, that if we can provide
this support, Putin is going to
get some very nasty surprises on
the battlefield in 2024.
Bullshit.
Adam Curry: Okay. So yes, big
bull crap, because when she was
talking to globalist Christiane
Amanpour, she had a whole
different story about this
money. No one mentioned that.
That's what we needed. She
needed bullets. Now we're gonna
give him money so they can bring
people back home. So they can,
you know, start their tax base.
And now No, no, no, no. She
said, a couple of quiet things
out loud in this interview,
what's
Unknown: your response to him
and others here telling us? You
know, America talks a good game.
But right now we're stalled. And
it needs to remember it is the
father, mother of democracy and
freedom around the world. Oh,
yeah. Well, thank you,
Christian. That's
the point that President Biden
is making as well. And that 70
senators made just last week in
passing overwhelmingly, the
administration supplemental
request, including 60 billion
for Ukraine. So now the question
is in the House of
Representatives, and support for
Ukraine across the United States
is still strong. So we hope that
representatives will reflect
that in the way they vote. And
it's strong, not just because
people understand how brave and
resilient Ukraine has been. But
that this is not just about
Ukraine. If we don't stop
putting in Ukraine, he will keep
going. And autocrats and tyrants
all around the world will take
comfort and think that they too
can chunk off a piece of their
neighbor.
Adam Curry: So I think she read
the secret or something's like
if I just keep saying that
people really are all for it,
then it'll happen. And here is
the money shot. Do you
Unknown: have any actual belief
or reason to believe that
eventually this bill will be
paid? And if not, how are you
going to make sure Ukraine gets
vital weapons? And
Adam Curry: by the way, I love
that that I'm on tour says that
this bill will get paid. What
did they send us an invoice is
are we down to that now? Or just
just a Venmo? A QR code? What
did they do? Instead of this
bill will be passed. She says
this bill should be paid, this
bill
Unknown: will be paid? And if
not, how are you going to make
sure you can get vital weapons
and ammunition? Chris
John, I have strong confidence
that when the House comes back
after they've been out in their
districts, hearing from the
American people, after they have
heard from Ukraine, they have
heard from Europe, which by the
way, just passed 54 billion in
additional aid itself over 10
years that we will do what we
have always done which is defend
democracy and freedom around the
world. Not just for victims of
tyrants like Putin, but in our
own interest in serving a free
and open international order,
that's what we need to do. We've
done it before. And by the way,
we have to remember that the
bulk of this money is going
right back into the US economy
to make those weapons, including
good paying jobs in some 40
states across the United States.
And there
Adam Curry: it is, oops. So
this, so she's either lying
about helping the Ukrainians
rebuild, where their tax base,
etc, or she's lying about going
straight into the military
industrial complex, which I
believe is what it's doing. And
I think at this point, that's
the only thing keeping our
economy afloat that an AI chips
Well, AI chips, but and things
are about to get interesting,
because the biggest soy boy
politician is it looks like it's
definitely happening. Margarita,
former, your buddy, Dutch Prime
Minister, who I've met who is a
hunk of soy, he is I mean, he
ran HR at Unilever. And then all
of a sudden he was Prime
Minister. He's, he's weak, he's
wimpy. He's a total Yes, man.
But he talks a big game
Unknown: for over a decade, he's
been a mainstay in European
politics. And now Mark routers
in pole position to take another
leadership role crucial for the
continent. The outgoing Dutch
Prime Minister has received a
number of endorsements to lead
the North Atlantic Treaty
Organization, or NATO. On
Thursday, the White House back
to Ruta for the job, as did the
UK Foreign Office, and a
spokesperson for German
Chancellor Olaf Schultz. Other
messages of support came during
the Munich Security Conference
last weekend. And
Adam Curry: of course, we
Margaret, we were partially
nostalgic about the past and
talking a little bit about the
future. And she will know he's
in the running to become NATO
Secretary General and I
personally wish him the best of
luck. I'm very excited by him
becoming NATO, Secretary General
because he has the perfect Dutch
accent for me to make fun of
it's coming up in that endeavor.
Unknown: The next NATO Secretary
General will succeed Jens
Stoltenberg in October, they'll
have the challenge of sustaining
the alliances support for
Ukraine's costly defense against
Russia. And depending on the
outcome of the US presidential
election, they may have to work
closely with Donald Trump, an
outspoken NATO critic in Munich
router said Europe should focus
more on Ukraine than on the
presidential front runner. And
be sure to because you also
mentioned the rest of us. Stop
moaning and whining and nagging
about Trump and we have to work
with whoever is on the dance
floor. I
Adam Curry: love this guy. We
have to work with you every show
on the dance floor. Stop moaning
and whining and griping about
it. And by the way, I My name is
Margarita. The last time the
ditch man was here was JB EOBD
hopes heifer. And he was really
great too. So no worries, I take
care of it. And I'm your HR guy
here at Dance with me. The
answer would be Trumpy. This guy
is he'll be fun. He would almost
be guys that is
John C Dvorak: great. Because I
love that voice.
Adam Curry: I got to play that
again. I just love the end
there. That is so good. What
Unknown: Europe should focus
more on the presidential front
runner. And
be sure to because you also
mentioned the rest of us. Stop
moaning and whining and nagging
about Trump and we have to work
with whoever is on the dance
floor. Whoever
Adam Curry: is on the dance
floor. I dance with him to me.
Come on, man. I dance with you.
Let's dance. Let's dance. Want
to do a little conga line. Hey,
Trent. Let's do it. I can't
wait. I can't wait. I vote yes.
I vote yes. Bring him in. Oh
man. He is such a douche. And
they are the outgoing I mean,
the guy got kicked out. Yeah,
exactly. This is all that all
these European countries all
they're all just waiting to get
the big job in Brussels. That's
all they really want. Just want
that job in Brussels. As long as
I can get that then I'll be
good. Do
John C Dvorak: you know Queen
Ursula has never won an actual
election for any public office
in Jura Germany ever
Adam Curry: while she was the
minister of defense and got
kicked out that's why she was
then appointed. She didn't even
run she's running now.
John C Dvorak: She is so
annoying that no one will vote
for her. Yeah, I know but she's
fine. You can pick her and put
her in some now she's Queen of
the you know the EU you not by
anyone's wanting her.
Adam Curry: Did we play that
clip on the lash? I don't think
I had a clip. Hold on a second.
Ursula on Yes, here it is. This
is a little clip of her
Unknown: history maker and a
trailblazer, personal of
underlying became the first
woman president of the European
Commission in 2019.
The trust you placed in me is
confidence you placed in Europe.
Her selection came as a surprise
to many, not a former prime
minister, like many of her
predecessors, but a struggling
defense minister in the German
government of Angular Merkel.
Fast forward to 2022. And the
Forbes list cause von der Leyen,
the most powerful woman in the
world. And again in 2023, I've
already so what got her there,
Commission proposed the large
most ambitious climate laws,
spearheaded the EU's, successful
COVID vaccine procurement
program. Yeah,
Adam Curry: with with text
messages we're not allowed to
see. Right, he supported
Unknown: Ukraine and talked
tough against China. Those
successes haven't won over all
of the members of the European
Parliament, though, and will
have a chance to block her
second term. So
Adam Curry: she's running now
and, you know, I would not bet
against her being reelected. I
would not bet against that.
John C Dvorak: Because they're
not actually being elected by a
democratic body. Well,
Adam Curry: hello. No, it's but
it's by the EU Starfleet Command
which
John C Dvorak: bags that?
Adam Curry: Yes. Is the
Starfleet appointed. Yes,
Starfleet Command for all
practical purposes. May I shift
for a second here to something
else, just to dance around and
pat myself on the back trying
not to break my arm or
Unknown: rude awakening for 10s
of 1000s of AT and T customers.
I woke up this morning turned on
my phone and no internet checked
my phone. It's like what's going
on? I don't even see an SOS.
Now. I can't even use my GPS, my
music call my wife Taylor. I'm
going to be
from Chicago to Dallas, Boston
to Los Angeles. More than 74,000
users reported widespread
problems.
So on a personal level, it was
it was definitely confusing and
uncomfortable. But it wasn't the
end of the world
late today. 18 t apologized to
customers and said service had
been fully restored. Nearly
three quarters of adults live in
households without a landline so
losing cell service in a
disaster can cripple
communications. That was the
case in the Maui wildfires. But
today's outage inundated
emergency call centers with
people dialing them up to test
their phones. Massachusetts
State Police posting that many
911 centers were flooded with
calls. And in San Francisco,
please
don't call 911 to verify if your
phone works. If you don't have
an emergency stupid The FBI is
in contact with 18 T and the FCC
is actively investigating. The
National Security Council says
there's no reason to think that
this was a cybersecurity
incident. Does this incident
worry you about the future? I
always worry about our
dependency on technology. I
think it's also a good wake up
call. And just a reminder that
we can't depend 100% all the
time on the technology that we
depend on 100
A total last resort experts say
you can always go in person to
your local fire or police
department.
Adam Curry: So now we know when
now we know that it was indeed a
software update. And the biggest
complaint was not about loss of
internet or loss of income or
No, no, no what everyone was
really mad about. It's I want
some credit for this
Unknown: you attend this
evening. at&t says it is trying
to make things right after this
week's nationwide service
outage, you know in a post to
their website tonight, the
provider apologize for letting
customers down and promised a $5
credit grid impacted accounts
and there are 1000s of the we
are totally will appear on your
bill in one to two cycles. at&t
Blaming the hours long outage on
Thursday on a technical error
for the current while expanding
their network. Now this FCC and
the FBI right now is still
investigating.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so but they
copped to it. It was a expanding
their network, whatever that
means. So
John C Dvorak: I have a very
concerning comment about that
clip. Yes, exactly. Why would
somebody explain to me exactly
why do you need phone service
for the GPS on your phone to
work? And that was elucidated in
that particular clip. So I
couldn't do anything. I couldn't
tell my wife where I was a GPS
wasn't working. And I've noticed
this when you have one of these
phones and you lose your service
for whatever reason. Why does
the GPS go out? It makes no
sense because well, because
they're tracking you. Is there a
reason? Yes,
Adam Curry: because most phones
will give you accurate location
based upon cell phone
triangulation tower
triangulation. Yeah, of course.
They're tracking you. Hello. Oh,
surprised I thought how would
you even know that you don't
take your phone out of your
drawer? It's still in your
drawer?
John C Dvorak: I am on month.
14? Yes. Of no phone? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Congratulations. And
here's what isn't observation.
What? Because I talked to a
couple people, and there were
people very freaked out there
was their friend of ours, who
were on their way to Austin and
turned around. Like, I don't
want to go into Austin without
cell service. But yeah, oh,
yeah.
John C Dvorak: And this is not
good. No.
Adam Curry: And these are
successful, smart individuals.
The other part is when people
saw because you know, you didn't
have a network, and then it's
what I think happens with these
phones is that it says SOS only,
which means that either happens
when you have no service or you
haven't paid your service. I
think I'm not sure. Maybe you
can connect to another cell
tower to send a 911 call or to
make a 911 call. Not so sure.
But the user experience of SOS
only or SOS freak people out
because they couldn't call. They
had no idea why SOS was there
other than Oh, my God, we're in
an SOS situation. They literally
did not know what that meant.
It's, it's a bad UI. I mean,
it's a it's a bad UI choice, in
hindsight. But yes, there were
people who just felt crippled,
and I just want one of our
church growth. He said, You
know, if it wasn't for you, and
your show, I would have been
completely I would have melted
into oblivion out of fear.
Because the cell service didn't
work and it said SOS and
remember that they just everyone
just saw that Obama movie, the
Obama produced movie about you
know, the, the whole system
melting down and the Tesla's
driving by themselves. In that
part kind of worked. Sadly.
John C Dvorak: This could have
been this may have not been a
failure at all. It could have
been a
Adam Curry: test. I'm not going
you are not wrong with that,
John. I'm not wrong. I'm not
wrong. Meanwhile, there is an
actual cyber issue across
Chicagoland.
Unknown: This cyber attack a
pack certain prescription
refills in certain locations,
the company attacks as if
they're not taking any
shortcuts. To fix this problem.
The outage is expected to last
through the remainder of the
day. Still, there is concern if
this outage isn't fixed by the
weekend. A cyber attack against
one of the country's largest
prescription processors enters a
third day change healthcare
provides prescription processing
through optim, which supplies
technology services to 1000s of
pharmacies. The company was
attacked on Wednesday, making
certain prescriptions difficult
to refill electronically.
According to The Wall Street
Journal optins parent company
UnitedHealth suspects a foreign
government was behind the attack
line the company says they've
disconnected change health care
systems you
Adam Curry: sure you want just
expanding your network? Is a
foreign state actor everybody
how come that's not national
news then that's local that's
Chicago
John C Dvorak: that should have
been covered. And
Adam Curry: I want to I'm very
curious about your kid flew
answers clips. But before we do
that, I just wanted to follow up
on something we're talking about
on the last show about these
bogus charities that are in NGOs
that are getting big money for
John C Dvorak: for our exit
strategy, but
Adam Curry: it is and it's quite
easy to do. And remember just
because a charity has Catholic
in their name, doesn't mean does
it mean a thing? No, it could be
One Hour Photo doesn't mean
you're gonna get pictures in one
hour. What are some other
examples?
John C Dvorak: Of? Well, the
classic is one hour cleaners one
hour cleaners
Adam Curry: isn't that's the
best one. One hour just to name
this not not advertising. So now
Ken Paxton, our Attorney General
here in Texas is going after one
of them.
Unknown: Backed by dozens of
local elected leaders this week
the El Paso migrant shelter,
annunciation house flatly
denying claims from the attorney
general that they participated
in activities that he deemed
illegal, including human
smuggling. The Catholic
nonprofit instead claims Mr.
Paxson is just trying to shut
them down because he personally
disagrees that the services they
provide to migrants, services
MIDI in the border community say
are badly needed. December
when we were having about 3000
asylum seekers coming through.
We couldn't have made it without
the Annunciation house we
couldn't have made it without
the help of the NGOs. We
will not be intimidated in our
work to serve Jesus Christ in
our sisters and brothers fleeing
danger and seeking to keep their
families together.
Is there no shame to refer to
houses of God houses his
hospitality. stash houses.
The Attorney General also
accusing annunciation house of
withholding records but lawyers
for the nonprofit refuted that
as well. saying his office only
gave them small staff 24 hours,
they're small staff, I should
say 24 hours to produce a
massive amount of documents. So
I
Adam Curry: love stories like
this. This, you know, so they
had some very Catholic Bishop
looking guy who showed up. I
mean, he almost sounded like an
actor. I really don't know
anything about him. But
annunciation house, there are
nonprofit, I went to the normal
sources to look at their form
9090 Wouldn't you know, they
haven't filed one since 2003.
The only time they ever filed
one. That is fraud right there.
You cannot be a nonprofit in the
United States and not file your
form 990 Certainly not for 11
years. So I think there's this
is just maybe the tip of the
iceberg.
John C Dvorak: Maybe they're
under some other name, and it is
filed now now and I can't
believe they'd go that long
without filing any paperwork.
This
Adam Curry: is a bonanza, John,
it's a bonanza. There's so much
fraud and waste and abuse. By
the way, there's a new term l
pass l pass is the new term.
It's an acronym LPA. S. Dame
Beth heard this and send it to
me. Legally processed asylum
seeker l pass to look for it. Be
on the lookout for the L pass.
Legally processed asylum seeker.
John C Dvorak: All right, I have
a series of clips. Yes. This is
special that was done. It was
actually quite good. But the
some of the big questions
weren't asked, which I will ask
during the playing of these
clips. But the New York Times
did a long look at so called Kid
fluent sirs. And these are
children who have accounts that
are created by their mothers and
they're just little their kids
like eight 910 1112 year olds.
And there's 1000s and 1000s of
these accounts and they will
it's actually a disturbing
series of clips and you'll be
more disturbed as you listen to
each one. Let's start with clip
one. A
Unknown: new investigation looks
at the disturbing world of so
called Kid flu answers and the
moms who run their accounts. One
in three preteens say being an
influencer is a career goal, but
the reality poses serious risks
to underage girls. Stephanie
sigh looks at those concerns.
Instagram
doesn't allow children younger
than 13 to have their own
accounts. So what we're seeing
is parents have kid influencers
set up and manage these
accounts. posting content of
girls can be lucrative.
Instagram makes it possible to
have paid monthly subscribers
and kids apparel brands will pay
1000s of dollars for a single
post of a kid modeling say their
dance leotards. But what might
seem like innocent photos to a
mom may read differently to a
man or a pedophile? New York
Times reporter Michael Keller
analyzed data from 5000 of these
mom run accounts as part of a
New York Times investigation and
joins me now Michael, thank you
for being here. I mean, the
headline of your report really
sums up the risk, a marketplace
of girl influencers managed by
moms and stalked by men. Whoa,
Adam Curry: I already know where
this is going. This is a setup.
This is a setup to legislation.
There's no doubt about it.
John C Dvorak: Well, there might
be but I think they're gonna
have trouble. The course this is
also the gouge. Yeah, for
soccer. Berg. Yeah, of course.
Yeah. We gotta get he's not
putting up enough money to the
Republican who is the
Republicans this time?
Republicans? Yeah, the
Republicans for sure. The
Democrats, probably less so. But
there's a lot of interesting
potential here. When you start
listening to the numbers, the
fact that they found 5000 of
these things that they looked
into, which seems excessive
means that's the tip of the
iceberg. Yeah. There's probably
20,000 of these of these of
these screwball kid flu answers,
which is idiotic, if anything
ever has been. And you have to
wonder what's going on here.
Let's go. Part two. What did
Unknown: you find about how
prolific these accounts are and
why so many moms are into this?
My colleague Jennifer Valentino
did reason I wanted to look into
this world of child influencers.
And as you said, they often are
too young to have account to
their own and so they're run by
their pay Parents, they got into
them for a variety of reasons,
there was a range from dancers
and gymnasts who wanted to get
free or discounted leotards in
exchange for photos, modeling
the apparel. A lot of parents
said that social media was the
way they could assure a good
digital resume for their child's
future and maybe even help pay
for college or gain
opportunities working with
sought after choreographers on
the more extreme end your
aspiring models, some had their
own subscriptions, both on
Instagram, where they would
charge up to $20 a month for
more photos or chat sessions
with the child or on other
platforms where the monthly cost
went as high as $250.
Adam Curry: It's only fans for
children, Lord Jesus come
quickly.
John C Dvorak: It's only fans
for children. For $250 a month,
you can chat with one of these
kids. Oh, this is sick. It's
totally This is so sick. And
here's what one of the things
that you you listen to this
report, and you just wonder
where they're where their
reportage actually is because
his New York Times guys had like
some sort of a weenie. And they
go on and on and on. Nobody
seems to bring up the
possibility even though it has
to be apparent. And there's a
pun in there. It has to be
apparent that there is some moms
single moms, let's say not to
put you know, put the point them
out specifically, who are
whoring out their kids. You
know, it was net before it was
never discussed. And for you
Adam Curry: continue. My sister
Willow, you know, she did her
dissertation on social
networking, social media, and
she did a lot of study. She got
a degree online in psychology,
and Master's. And she she did
this or she, I don't know if she
came across a study to the study
yourself. But she told me that
the worst thing that that moms
are doing early moms is they're
taking pictures while they're
with their, like nursing, or
have their child in their arms.
And she says it's it's been
proven that this is very
destructive for the bonding
process between mother and child
because the mother is not not
focused on the child, the mother
is focused on herself. And this
is when this starts. It's really
about the moms I think, and or
parents. I don't want to single
moms. But I think it's about the
parents who are caught. I mean,
this is this is not good.
John C Dvorak: Well, they only
talk about moms here. So there
you can get leave the dads out,
okay, they probably have no
obligation otherwise, let's go
with clip three.
Unknown: So your report also
found that a lot of the
followers of these accounts are
men, are they driving these
accounts popularity and their
profits? So
we did an analysis looking at
the follower size of these
accounts, and the percentage of
men in that audience and did
find correlation that as the
audience's got larger, there
were more men in them. Now some
parents and pretty much all the
parents we spoke to said that
men following them and posting
inappropriately was a really big
problem. Some of them said that
the first thing they did when
they woke up in the morning was
block followers. And the last
thing they did before they went
to bed was block followers. They
often post inappropriate or even
proposition the girls in the
comments below the photos. They
do block them as I said, but a
lot of them ran into issues
where if they blocked too many
Instagram would start limiting
their ability to either follow
new accounts, or to block even
more one parents said, like I
can't believe this. I've reached
my limit or the day of blocking
creepy men.
Adam Curry: Oh my god, how about
reporting? Have you considered
reporting creepy men? Is it just
blocking it? Can't you report?
John C Dvorak: Now this seems to
me this reminds me at this point
of the problem you get with spam
calls and these guys with the
blue pillow. And pg&e, we get
your 5% discount if you just
give us everything you know
about yourself. Why doesn't the
government I mean, instead of
finding more things to indict
Trump about Elizabeth
Adam Curry: Warren should be all
over this. Yeah. Where's
John C Dvorak: Elizabeth Warren?
And tracking these creepy men as
they put it, try there. They
have IP addresses. This is all
trackable. Not all I'm sure some
maybe go through a VPN some of
them maybe fool around in some
funny way. way, but there's this
is like you could this is you
could stop this. If the
government instead of going
after Trump about everything
would spend a lot of time, the
kind of
Adam Curry: I have no intention
of stopping this, our lawmakers
have no intention. They, they
they believe they need social
media, they believe they need
these companies to post their
own idiotic crap about their
little, little viral moment that
they tried to do during the so
called debates. It's all in the
internet was a mistake. Though
John C Dvorak: I've said that
forever. So let's go watch clip
for
Unknown: Michael, I just want to
show our viewers an example of
what you're talking about. The
New York Times in your
investigation doesn't show the
actual post, but you describe
what the post showed a nine year
old in a golden bikini, lounging
on a towel. And then you show
the comments section full of
sexually suggestive remarks. But
Michael, it doesn't stop at the
comments. In every case, you
describe a world in which the
girls are sucked in to this sort
of internet underworld of sexual
predation. Right.
And that was what was truly
disturbing in what we found.
Beyond the suggestive or
predatory comments, some parents
actually received threats from
some of the online, they would
reach out and accused them of
exploiting their child and
threatening to contact their
school or their family and
friends and seemingly exposed
them. Because it is worth noting
that in you know, photos of
children in dance conventions
are normal within that context.
But within the context of the
internet, people bring to them
in some cases, their own skewed
points of view. And so these men
were trying to seemingly with
threats of blackmail, cause a
lot of actual harm to the
families to
Adam Curry: making this all
about creepy men. How about the
creepy Mom's doing this? Yeah,
stop it.
John C Dvorak: I definitely like
I said, that's the question that
was never asked how many of
these moms and how much of this
is the moms whoring out their
kids,
Adam Curry: we really need to
speak up and speak out about
these black holes of evil and
wickedness. This is horrible.
Unknown: Clip five. So it occurs
to me, Michael, that this is not
just an investigation into risks
that girls are taking online.
But a story about parents who
are making the decision to put
their girls at potential risk of
ovulating at the very least,
what is the biggest takeaway for
moms who are thinking of letting
their daughters become
influencers?
So as we said, you know,
Instagram does allow parents to
run these accounts for them even
when they're below 13. But what
we found was that it is very
hard to do so in a safe way. And
that it may take hours every day
of blocking creepy or possibly
predatory men from interacting
with the account. And the real
life threats that this could
lead to maybe we heard stories
of strange packages, showing up
at people's doors and could go
from the online world into real
life and affect your family was
a really strong takeaway for me,
Adam Curry: is very disturbing.
This is a disturbing report. Do
you have a a analysis of this?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I thought
it was. It was just scratching
the surface. I think they found
5000 There's probably 20,000 Or
who knows how many. They don't
mention anything about what
about a 13 year old doesn't need
mom and she's decided to become
an influencer. And how did this
influencer thing take off in the
first place? There's a lot of
unanswered questions here.
Creepy or not? The whole thing
this is bad.
Adam Curry: It's the entire
business model of Instagram. It
is the business model of
Instagram influencers. Yeah, and
there's money and people are
dumb and they're not thinking
and the fact that they're just
blocking and not reporting the
whole thing is wrong. It's very
very wrong. And this will all be
added to kosa the kids Online
Safety Act what is what this
will result in? I know this I
guarantee it will be you cannot
be on any of these so called
Social Media hellholes without
verified ID government ID you're
going to that's where it's all
going to lead to anonymity will
be gone mainly for the creepy
dudes but you will not be able
to get an account unless it's
verified the government's gonna
know it's going to end all the
cool anonymous so called free
speech we have this is coming
down Oh, I think this report is
a bowl of crap. You watch, there
John C Dvorak: is no way that
the smart money can't get around
any of these restrictions by
creating phony baloney
identities elsewhere in other
countries using VPNs and Grand
Prix. I'm not saying it's going
to India,
Adam Curry: I'm not saying you
misunderstand what I'm saying.
I'm not saying it's going to fix
it, that it will be required for
you to have an Instagram account
as an American you will be
required to have to go through
this process of verifying or
Twitter or Facebook or any of it
that's what they're doing.
That's what they're setting up.
It doesn't mean that it'll be
effective but that's that will
be a requirement. Anything over
a million users will have that
requirement I'm reading the law
I'm reading the bill that
they're and the amendments
they're putting in there it's
it's on its way.
John C Dvorak: Well, they're
fooling themselves, but I
Adam Curry: didn't say I was
going to fix it as long as
creepy moms will want to pour
out their children that's never
going to stop
John C Dvorak: Yes. And with
that you can conclude the
segment
Adam Curry: as a horrible
segment I'm in desperate need of
a good news segment after I
thank you for your courage and
say in the morning to you the
man who put the sea and creepy
moms ladies and gentlemen say
hello my friend on the other end
the morning Mr. John
John C Dvorak: Curtis and the
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the ground feet in the air subs
in the one that the names and
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but that That to me that made it
even better the show just how
creepy and wrong all of this AI
is. It was a meta piece it was
it was it was. It was actually
being sarcastic about him being
critical
John C Dvorak: of him being
sarcastic now, okay, I doesn't
have that sort of sense. No AI
was very ironic
Adam Curry: down O'Neill has
that sense. He knew how to use
it. Yeah. A lot of people don't.
Now there were other pieces and
Gary's
John C Dvorak: got quite good at
this.
Adam Curry: I have to say at
prompt engineering.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, prompt
engineers, not
Adam Curry: an artist. He's a
prompt engineer. Yeah, well, he
John C Dvorak: was actually kind
of pretty good as a as an
artist, but he's decided to give
it up. Throw it to hell with it.
And now he's a prompt lumped in
here which is really I'm
surprised he doesn't have the AI
doing is rock and roll show
Adam Curry: is pre show him a
may be AI for all we know, but
John C Dvorak: it could be
pretty soon.
Adam Curry: We also like Tyler,
bro, you like Tyler browns? Moon
Landing with the slate, which I
nixed like now. It was too
simple.
John C Dvorak: Which one was
this?
Adam Curry: It's the movie slate
with the roll. 3030 I
John C Dvorak: liked that piece.
Adam Curry: I liked the super
duper, which also from Darren
which you just wish
John C Dvorak: it had been going
on whatsoever. Super duper.
That's
Adam Curry: your opinion.
John C Dvorak: There was no
dimensionality. There wasn't any
other.
Adam Curry: Yeah, got it.
John C Dvorak: Use too small.
You
Adam Curry: vetoed. It is too
small. It's too small. It's
huge. We both kind of like
comics or bloggers fake moon
landing. Kind of.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was
cute. It's a nice patch.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I use it for
the pre show announcement today.
And then I'm gonna see some
other stuff all my fixes live in
Texas didn't really quite really
quite hit home
John C Dvorak: it went to comic
strip blogger also did the Dr.
Phil when next to it. And he's
missing a finger it just is
gone. We're under what?
Iteration five or six of this
art and they still can't get the
hands right? It
Adam Curry: didn't even look
like Dr. Phil didn't look like
him. No, that
John C Dvorak: was just a slice
the microphone way up that
Adam Curry: guy dead? Yeah,
because AI doesn't understand
audio. It doesn't
John C Dvorak: understand
anything. I'm getting sick of
AI.
Adam Curry: Buckle up. Clip
custodian nice little copy
editor red pencil, but now it
didn't quite have it. I think
that was it. I mean, other
things was anything else? No, I
think the AI prompt engineers
are getting better though. If
they understand if they have it
in their hearts and their souls
how to create, you know what a
good piece of art should look
like. And they know how to
create it. You know, it doesn't
matter what tool you use, I
guess you still have to have
that funny bone mentality, or
the or irony or something. So
that I just there wasn't
anything else. there's anything
else you wanted to comment on?
Nope. Well, thank you very much
Darren Darren O'Neill. That
mean, his taste in music is
questionable.
John C Dvorak: As you already
Taylor Swift as
Adam Curry: you always say, but
this was a dynamite piece. We
really appreciate it. Thank you
very much. And thank you to all
the artists for participating in
this grand experiment. We try
out every single show twice a
week. No agenda, art
generator.com. Thank you, Sir
Paul couture for setting that up
and maintaining that for us. We
love the new, the new style, the
new look, you can if you're
listening live, you can go
there. And you can check it out
in real time. Just refresh see
what's going on. Or if you use
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apps, you'll see many more of
these art pieces, as Dred Scott
uses most of them for the
chapters which are of course
only available on modern podcast
apps. Now let us thank the
treasurer portion, which means
we have executive and Associate
Executive producers who helped
us out and get not only kudos
for helping us at this level,
but also receive an executive
producer or Associate Executive
producer credit and I'm going to
be nice guy today. I'm gonna I'm
gonna let you do the first one
and I'll take that huge one that
comes right after it.
John C Dvorak: There's another
one after that. Okay, well, this
one is $1,000. This is kind of
an anomalous donation because I
went back
Adam Curry: it looks like 1100
to me not 1100 Yeah, I went
John C Dvorak: back and forth
with Tsar Zarin Denzel because I
got a note from his brother. And
his brother says, You can't use
my name. My brother just donated
a bunch of money and he's gonna
you've given me the donation and
I don't like your show. You
suck. And I don't want my name
mentioned.
Adam Curry: He didn't say that
he'd never heard the show.
John C Dvorak: Exactly. And so I
sent that note to Zara and I
said, What is this? And he sent
me a note back saying I didn't
know he's never listened to the
show, I have no idea why he's
getting all bent out of shape. I
never got the original note that
was crediting anybody. So I've
got no real note from Zarn. And
I want if he has something he
wants to tell us later, I will
be amenable to running it as a
make good. But the there's
something missing here. And it's
not the back and forth that I
did with him his brother that
didn't
Adam Curry: Zarn donate on the
previous show. Is that? No, it's
not where it came from. I
thought that's where the problem
stem from? Whatever.
John C Dvorak: We got 1100 from
him here, and we want to give
him a double up karma and we'll
look for something in the
future. Yes.
Adam Curry: And the funny thing
about the whole bit is that they
heard about the no agenda show
in Europe on a train from some
random woman.
John C Dvorak: Yes, some woman
in Switzerland. There you go. On
a train was promoting the no
agenda show and they were a
dairy I guess oh cow check it
out. And Zarin checked it out in
his brother. I guess it's just a
net contrary. Now. Why would I
take the advice of some woman on
the train? I got into nowhere
now. I'm not listening. All
right. Here's
Adam Curry: the double up karma
for you. Thank you. Sorry.
Unknown: You've got karma
Adam Curry: that we moved to
Vincent viscounty from lantana,
Texas, and send us a very long
note.
John C Dvorak: But you're lucky
a lot of it doesn't need to be
read. Seems to me. Let me see
Adam Curry: how we do. Hello
gents. Excuse me all of Gitmo
Nation. I'm very behind on
shows. But I'm trying to catch
up since coming out of the COVID
craze in 2021. I have never in
my life been so freaking busy.
As I was reading the newsletter
last night, I came to the heart
wrenching realization that it
has been way too long since
making a producer level
contribution to the show.
Thankfully, having set up a
monthly contribution, I only
feel slightly douchebag is
nonetheless still a douchebag
please dee doo
Unknown: dee doo. I'm
Adam Curry: gonna ask for
essentially a switcheroo. He
says please give credit for this
executive producer ship to my
smokin hot wife Sinead. In light
of our recent anniversary and
her upcoming birthday. It's a
two for one. And she always
appreciates a bargain. And our
anniversary is on February 2,
which I recently discovered
falls on the 33rd day of the
year. Furthermore, it is 333
days from the end of the year on
a leap year credit to my desktop
calendar. This was not
intentional, but certainly
destiny. And excuse me, I need a
lozenge. Also please give our
beautiful human resource. EO a
if I'm gonna try pronouncing it
backwards. The firewall if I
forget
John C Dvorak: it, elf
Adam Curry: Elfi I'm gonna say a
ofI a happy I'm sorry kid.
John C Dvorak: I certainly can't
pronounce your name. Why don't
you like in life?
Adam Curry: Why didn't you just
give us a pronunciation guide
Why be so mean bra a happy 13th
Birthday shout out she has been
a fan of the show since she was
nine years old and is growing up
with a shrunken image
John C Dvorak: yet she needs it
needs we need to know how to
pronounce yes yeah, we want to
Adam Curry: we definitely want
to know how to pronounce her
name. That's kind of mean lastly
we can get some new business
house selling and moving to
Tennessee karma and our family
favorite jingle. The strain
foamer guy sure keep up the
great work seriously don't stop
or the world very might well
end. Sorry for the long note. I
would have been a shorter note.
Had I had more time. Yeah. All
right. Oh my god. You've got
karma. Sinead changing Sinead.
Okay, so
John C Dvorak: now we have the
if I can move this thing over
and this is going to take a
second to get cleaned up. This
is command command command. I
can read every Okay, Jake. Jake,
in God's country comes in with a
it will click up I can't there
are 333 Okay. And I can actually
barely read this note, but I
can. Turns out if I click on
this thing,
Adam Curry: oh my goodness, just
do it already.
John C Dvorak: You know, it's
not as easy when the thing blows
out this spreadsheet. This is
longer than the other note.
Millennial producer here and
it's been far too long since
I've chipped in and he got 33
all over the place. I'll skip to
that. I'm an in private
investing industry allocating
dollars for ultra high net worth
families and institutions to
purchase equity positions in
privately held companies. In my
travels, I deal with a spectrum
of thoughts and ideologies. But
one thing I'm struggling to get
behind is the thesis of handing
former President Trump the
ticking time bomb as you both
are more likely aware of the
Biden administration. He's doing
almost everything to prop up
uncle Bernie for another weekend
or two. Not talking about Bernie
Sanders No. The record oil
production which people don't
want to discuss, uncapped debt
ceiling which people don't want
to discuss phony jobs and
inflation data which we discuss
does not sound like a team ready
to wave the white flag my
prediction not to be heated as
financial advice is as follows.
I thought this would be good to
read. And of course he puts a
disclaimer in there because you
can't really take this advice no
as financial advice you need to
go to an expert, your personal
expert. Government continues to
spend like drunken sailors
throughout the year will lead it
will lead to persistent
inflation from three to 5%
Forcing no fed cuts in 2024 I'm
down the SP five but
Adam Curry: I'm down I agree. I
don't think there's going to be
any cuts they might raise it.
John C Dvorak: They're never
gonna raise it. Not in an
election year never happened. SP
500 all time high will continue
throughout 2024 I think there
will be a cut in Vidya is a
house of car yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm all in on that.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, when you
don't know
Adam Curry: you shorted it on
your game.
John C Dvorak: I heard your next
I may have the next week I
probably lost my acid. Next
refinancing wave will trigger
the next issue 2025 When mass
refinancing will occur in a load
of negative growth environment
mixed with higher rates will
show many Emperor's wearing no
clothes finally, if you can buy
private businesses or find the
means to allocate so it don't
put your hard earned dollars
into the whims of Wall Street
and other news I would be around
I should be around knighthood
next donation should do it.
You'll hear from me soon you
guys are great. have not missed
an episode since Greta was
transposed as Wednesday items on
the album well rock yeah jingles
don't trust China anything
Reverend owl?
Adam Curry: Yeah All right.
Thank you very much. I know
Trump don't trust China China is
as HoH would resist
Unknown: we much we must bear
all giddy about a shutdown the
tortoise in the race then co
author of who briefs you to lead
singer Bono friend dry ships. We
suspect Jaha Sanaya of Rush
Limbaugh Rush Limbaugh Rush
Limbaugh the show rush Lombard
hosts Supreme Court Justice
Sonia Santa Maya,
you've got karma.
Adam Curry: Adam Ruiz is
planning on moving back to the
US after living in China for the
last five years. And he comes in
with 333 We appreciate that it
says that need some jobs karma
for my smokin hot wife. I also
turned 33 A few months ago, so I
thought it'd be appropriate to
donate 333 Thank you, Adam and
John. Well, we are very happy
and we appreciate your support
jobs,
Unknown: jobs,
jobs and jobs for jobs.
John C Dvorak: Put Adam Ruiz on
the birthday list. Billy Graham
I'll add him there. He doesn't
ask for it but nobody deserves
here Billy Graham and Fort
Myers, Florida has 2361 When
she's the first Associate
Executive Producer he has no
note that I can find so on to
give her a double up karma.
Unknown: You've got karma
Adam Curry: and then we have sir
OMA with to this is our second
Associate Executive Producer to
28 dot 24 ITM gents. requesting
some prayers you bet health
karma and a heavy dose of F
cancer for my brother in law. He
has a rare form of cancer in his
abdomen and will have four lumps
removed on February 28 24 will
put them on the prayer chain
he's strong and a fighter but
has a long road to recovery and
treatment cheers and blessing
Sir Oh my You Bet
Unknown: you've got karma
John C Dvorak: I'm going to skip
this next one which you will
read in an hour go to Linda Lou
patcon and Lakewood Colorado
because she wants me to read her
jobs karma for $200 and just
comment for a competitive edge
Go to Image makers inc.com For
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Yes,
Adam Curry: and we have the Indy
no agenda tribal meetup
Greenwood Indiana 225 And it's a
switcheroo ITM Adam and John,
not Dewar from Indianapolis as
the winner once again of our
raffle. I am once again asking
for it to be a switcheroo to my
mom, Stephanie to get her close
to Dame hood. Keep up the work
guys. It's great. work good
jingles John's haunted donate
and a good karma
Unknown: karma
Adam Curry: I think I forgot
Lindsay Perkins jobs karma jobs
Unknown: jobs jobs and jobs are
jobs
Adam Curry: that wraps up our no
it doesn't that doesn't wrap up
our executive and Associate
Executive
John C Dvorak: Spangler right in
Mount Pleasant Pennsylvania
camera to under budget right
here right. Is ITM some
millennial job karma has some
millennial karma and and I got
ants. Thank you for occure your
courage Kara.
Adam Curry: All right, well,
that'll be our last one then. A
little bit of ants for you and
Millennial karma.
Unknown: I got ants.
Adam Curry: Ants you've got
karma. Hold on a second. Second,
I have a feeling. Is there an
actual millennial karma jingle?
I want to make sure I did the
right one is that? Am I am
millennial karma? Yes. Yes, I
was right. I think there is
millennial karma. Yes, here it
is. There it is.
Unknown: God,
Adam Curry: I'm just telling
you. This is millennial karma.
There you go. That's it. Our
Executive Associate Executive
Producers was quite short list
today. In fact, we're gonna hit
the 50s incredibly quickly. For
those who did support us with
your treasure. Thank you so
much. We appreciate it. And wish
everybody would do this. From
time to time, it would really
help keep the show rolling here.
These are real credits these
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And John will take us through to
the 50s now
John C Dvorak: yeah, we're gonna
start with Diane Clinton in
Chappaqua. Chappaqua. Is that
right Chappaqua chapter that's
right. Chappaqua, New York. 104.
She also wrote a give us a card
with a note referring to botanic
and his calla pigeon wife.
Really not absolutely sure why,
but she also says thanks for the
plug for her pod.
Adam Curry: What is her pod?
John C Dvorak: Gosh, we plugged
it or we play Kevin. But not
today. We plugged it at some
point. I don't know what it is
because she didn't mention it in
the card. Kevin McLaughlin is
right there. Concord North
Carolina the Laura. Archduke of
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Not sure what that means. But
Gary Blatz next from Wayne,
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Kurt, Lebanon offski and Ramsey,
New York. 5904 Peter Charlie
Adam Curry: Sheen Kurt Kurt has
a birthday donation he says the
longer I live the more you get
56 On the show today and he
added in the fees we appreciate
that Kurt
John C Dvorak: Peter Chung and
Lakewood Washington 5809 Dame
Nancy San Bruno California 5529.
Surprise surprise night Yukon,
Oklahoma 5444. And we're already
with his very shortlist today.
Very short. ludicrously short.
Lack of support, I'd say Allah
at least the 50s LX Delgado in
Aptos, California Clara Perivale
in San Rafael, gaucho
woodworking in Redondo Beach,
California. look him up on the
internet's James Farrell in
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Wimberley, Texas Samuel Connor
de in North Riverside Illinois
Charles Boyd in San Marcos,
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airport, John Walter in
Wenatchee Washington and a bunch
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here and also Baroness Knight
and Baroness Dame night in
Edmonds. Washington want to
thank these people, even though
there are not too many of them
today for making the show a 1637
a reality
Adam Curry: and we thank
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We don't mention those people
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And of course we love the 4999
Thank you if you're on one of
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that people reach that level.
And you always support the show
certainly in these slower
donation times and once again
thank you to our executive and
Associate Executive producers
for episode 1637. Our formula
Unknown: is this. We go out we
hit people in the mouth
Adam Curry: and you can become a
producer and no watching the
donations.com
Well, a very short list today we
have Kurt Lebanon offski Who
turns 56 Today, Vincent
viscounty wishes his daughter ao
fi EO ai fi a happy birthday.
She's 13 Please let me know how
to pronounce your name so we can
make good for on the next show
and Happy belated birthday to
Adam Ruiz and congratulations to
all of you from everybody in the
best podcast. Sounds weird all
of a sudden. What's happened?
You hear? Does it sound weird to
you? Just something changed? I
John C Dvorak: went over
modulated? Yeah. I don't know.
Why did that happen earlier in
the show?
Adam Curry: Hmm.
John C Dvorak: Just out of the
blue.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's very
odd. Strange. Something's going
on.
John C Dvorak: You're losing a
capacitor in that pod thing?
Adam Curry: I hope not. I hope
not. I was very strange and
wonderfully see. Oh, nice. See
what the problem was? Somehow
the processing got turned off.
Yeah, that'll do it. Okay. All
right. That should fix it. Now.
Let me see. We always said we
have no nice things. No title
changes. Just another plea. No
agenda. donations.com Please
support the show.
Unknown: No one. I like the
control rooms.
Adam Curry: The troll room said
it was either a glitch or a
cyber attack. The spook spliced
into the audio stream. Yeah, I
think I think it was all all the
above. Hey, Jesse coy Nelson
came back with a dynamite meetup
report from the Singapore meetup
Unknown: Hey, it's the Singapore
no agenda geo Jigsaw meetup.
This is Sen geo
Jigsaw we're all having fun here
getting blasted.
Listener Chris listener since
2009. Proud member of the deuces
club. Probably time I donate
again. Thanks so much for coming
to Singapore. It's nice to have
the first meet up here. This is
Andy. Oh shit I shouldn't have
given my last day. Are there any
more people in Singapore that
listens to this? Let us know.
Let us know.
This is Anthony Fauci. I came to
this meetup because I want to
see how things are going in Asia
with my shots in the morning.
Nice.
Adam Curry: Hey, there were
people there. Hello, Singapore.
We need some donations from
Singapore 11 out there. We got
stripe now. So you can use that.
Speaking of Anthony Fauci. We
had dinner with a couple people
last night. I love my
Fredericksburg people. The
latest that I heard. Did you
know that Mother Teresa? That
Anthony Fauci is actually, the
child of Mother Teresa and
Mother Teresa is a dude. But you
didn't know that, did you?
John C Dvorak: Well, you know,
looking at Mother Teresa, I can
kind of believe the last thing
but then again, how could
Anthony Fauci be the son of
Mother Teresa? No Mother
Adam Curry: Teresa's mother,
Teresa fathered Anthony Fauci.
There was an there's a ghost
moved to the right place. I love
this place. It's fantastic. I
also love the guardians of
reality. They had a meet up in
Florence, Kentucky, as Florence
y'all. Jen of the woodland Shire
reported and she says that it
was great. They had many members
of the shrunken amygdala, tre
Lea, Greg newcomer Michel and it
was the topic of discussion
birthing stories, breastfeeding,
doulas home I got trust policy
for wills carpentry needs on
fixed income resources,
connection solutions, Bitcoin
tax law for small business
religions, specifically Catholic
Catholic and orthodoxy books and
authors. I mean, this is exactly
didn't make a report obviously.
But this is exactly the kinds of
stuff you can get into it or no
agenda meet up and the great
thing is, it doesn't matter
where you're coming from, what
angle you're coming from,
everybody loves each other. It's
a great place to get connection
as you know that what he Do you
drink? I'm
John C Dvorak: not eating
anything.
Adam Curry: Are you drinking
something? Do you crack? Uh,
can? You did? What did you do?
What is it? What did you get?
John C Dvorak: I got the
Pellegrino ah, there now let me
tell you what this is. It's
Pellegrino, tangerine and wild
strawberry, a Sensia. Yum. And
it tastes you know, it tastes
like, like bass like nothing. It
tastes like plain unflavored
mineral water. Well, that's
Adam Curry: interesting because
I always open my show beer. You
never call me on. But I am
drinking a Waterloo, Blackberry
lemonade, and it tastes just
like your thing. There's no
taste to this. He really should
John C Dvorak: have Blackberry.
No, it tastes like mineral
strong flavored Berry.
Adam Curry: It tastes like
mineral water. It really does.
It's like they forgot
John C Dvorak: they're just
packing mineral I'm putting
phony baloney labels on
everything.
Adam Curry: Hey, no agenda
meetup.com
Unknown: Sometimes you want to
go hang out with Dyson.
Adam Curry: No, I forgot some
here. You
Unknown: won't be cheap. You
Adam Curry: I forgot to mention
the meetups taking place on
Thursday, which is the North
Georgia monthly meetup that'll
be at six o'clock at Cherry
Street brewing in Alpharetta,
Georgia and also on Thursday the
Denver leap here day meet up 630
bar 404 in Denver Colorado
there's a whole lot for March
April. You definitely need to go
to one of these you wouldn't you
there's no regretting going to a
no agenda meetup. Prove me
wrong. No agenda meetups.com And
now once again, this heavy news
we'll see everybody we'd like to
end our show particularly where
we had credible ISOs. Want I'm
completely off track here.
You're right. Yes. Okay. But you
know, instead of saying when you
when you esos ASA you could have
said Hey, you forgot the ISOs
Hey, I
John C Dvorak: forgot the ISO so
thanks.
Adam Curry: Well, here's my ISO
Oh, my lever. That's my only ISO
that's
John C Dvorak: probably why.
Adam Curry: Okay, what do you
have ISO wise John sounds like
you got some really good ones.
John C Dvorak: They have three.
Okay. Dynamite dynamite
Adam Curry: alive. That's,
that's pretty good. That's
pretty good. You've
John C Dvorak: heard that
wouldn't be fair. Yeah, that's
like GABA. Hashtag hashtag
Adam Curry: no agenda. It's too
late.
John C Dvorak: Okay, thank you.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank
you. Thank you. Thank you. No, I
think dynamite dynamite dynamite
is the one that really Yes, I
like dynamite. You don't like
dynamite?
John C Dvorak: No, I mean, I
didn't dislike it but I thought
you'd pick the Thank You know, I
have a betting pool on what you
pick
Adam Curry: for money.
John C Dvorak: I lost
Adam Curry: Who do you who was
in the pool? Who are these nut
jobs?
John C Dvorak: And I can't say
they won't they don't want their
names revealed?
Adam Curry: The lip Joe's the
lip Joe's are listening. Yeah.
Lip Joes. Those guys
John C Dvorak: have stopped
talking to me.
Unknown: Good good news.
Adam Curry: Good news. Good.
Good news. Good news. All right.
Good news. Good news. Here we
go. I'm sorry. I jumped the gun
on Yeah, just ever since that
glitch. I was confused either.
John C Dvorak: Yes, the glitch,
the glitch net which makes me
wonder if you're a i This is
another not the same but a
different this is a dog rescue
story from your neck of the
woods, Texas, Texas, Texas puppy
Unknown: love this morning on
Good Morning El Paso or we
introduce you to a mother and
her litter of pups that would
not have lived for us to tell
this story. If it weren't for a
good Samaritan
got a call from a young lady
that works by the for Border
Patrol out there and said that
people are always dumping
animals out there and this is
the second mama that they took
pictures of and sent to me and
asked if I could help because
she was about ready to pop I
mean she was so huge from having
so many puppies, nine
puppies to be exact and they are
cuties. But Mama was in such bad
shape from being neglected and
going without food and water for
so long. She had complications
giving birth she had to have a C
section. So now to help her
recover and to give her babies
the best chance at a healthy
start there. Those babies are
now bottle fed every few hours.
This is truly a happy ending
because she definitely wouldn't
have made it out there in the
desert in the dirt and the
puppies wouldn't have made it
either. They you know there's a
lot of coyotes and things going
on so they would have probably
she might have been able to save
one or two she's gonna go to a
forever home and to know that
her babies are well taken care
drove. I think we did good. Like
6k I
think they all did good. Thanks
to Animal Rescue League, these
little guys can now be adopted.
And by the way, there's another
mama dog she mentioned at the
beginning of that piece who was
saved with a very similar story.
So double the puppies, if you're
looking to adopt a furry family
member of your own, because a
lot of people do want a puppy
and there's nothing wrong with
wanting a puppy and now there
are plenty to choose from and
who can say no to
those adorable faces? Right? I
will say I have four dogs at
home trying to rescue two cats.
Everyone can just take it
another dog.
Adam Curry: No, no, not everyone
can just take it another dog.
But, John, a great good news
story. I feel good. Like I feel
very positive now.
Unknown: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Everybody should
feel good after that. How could
you not?
John C Dvorak: It's just dying
puppies rescued is
Adam Curry: just good. It's just
all good. I'm ready. Now I'm
ready to complete my Sunday.
With that feeling of good news,
it really counterbalances the
creepy moms. vetoing those
stories can't do that anymore.
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mofos Hui Hui, and such I
Unknown: love they did they call
them dumps. big massive dump.
We will follow them to the gates
and house.
Adam Curry: Mom Bom Bom Bom. Bom
Bom them and Bom them again.
Hillary Clinton made a mistake
to red carpet event beautiful
blond haired, very fashionable
clothes. Well, she forgot that
people hate her guts who could
be more evil than Putin.
Unknown: Hillary Clinton. How
dare you speak about human
rights where Palestinians are
being murdered?
People are suffering. People are
dying you are a war criminal.
How dare you
yourself it is not shameful to
do little bit crass It is
shameful to do nothing but
Adam Curry: maybe Clinton killer
Clinton that they should do
something they need to work on
that did more of this please
John C Dvorak: you're in the
Middle East Libya and fit into
the scheme of things based on
what she just said what
difference at this point doesn't
make to Simulink so rigged
Adam Curry: and I'm all for this
keep yelling at all of them.
Unknown: How dare you continue
to look away?
Adam Curry: She's great she
she's recognizable
all the leaks of the world
including those who were in the
war business. I think get bed
curry There you go.
Unknown: Curry Curry was
Adam Curry: more of this please.
You're to cinema for Peace
Foundation.
Unknown: Hillary Clinton How
dare you speak about human
rights. Palestinians are being
murdered. There it is.
Morning from Tesla Motors CEO
Elon Musk has nothing to do with
cars then must warn about
artificial intelligence which he
has called more dangerous than
nuclear weapons. Computer
Adam Curry: computer working
working with artificial
intelligence. Stories were
working as the guy with the
pentagram and holy water was
like working work. gain control
for bio computer things in
credit can be nailed naming
rights
Unknown: can be worth
are you concerned that of the
our new woke AI that we're
writing history and maybe even
wonder rewriting reality
Adam Curry: they're they're
laughing up this AI crap when
they Your enemy is
Unknown: big tech
they're amazing companies they
call for over half of the gains
from the get rich off these
companies these folks at Google
and other other technology
companies are kind of distorting
history
is trying to shape society
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