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1667: Heavy Tail

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Adam Curry: I'm washed up. Adam curry Jhansi Devorah tonight
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2024 This Year Award winning give on nation media
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assassination episode 1667 This is no agenda, defying climate
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despair and broadcasting live from the heart of the Titans. No
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country here in FEMA Region number six in the morning,
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everybody. I'm Adam curry.
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John C Dvorak: If another Silicon Valley where we all
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agree that Eric Sean on Fox is annoying. I'm John C double x.
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Adam Curry: Kill Eric who?
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's been 25 years. Eric
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Adam Curry: Shawn. Yeah. I've never even heard of this guy.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, he shows up a lot more than you used to. But
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he's been there forever. He's he is the Trump hitman. And he if
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you see a picture of me he looks like an IRS agent who never got
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promoted.
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Adam Curry: I honestly, I don't have cable anymore. though.
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Yeah, that kind of ruins it, doesn't it?
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, again, we get Fox. Well, I
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Adam Curry: have YouTube TV. So
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John C Dvorak: I guess I could watch the YouTube TV has Fox I
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know. But I only have
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Adam Curry: that, you know, for a backup in case there's
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something I really need to watch. Now ever since Tucker
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left the fox became uninteresting. I think that's
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when it all went downhill. And they just became, you know,
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lame. They were already kind of lame. But isn't that all that we
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ever watched? Did you watch Do you watch Fox and Friends in the
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morning?
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John C Dvorak: No, I watch if I've watched Fox I watched gut
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failed. No.
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Adam Curry: Of course you do. Yeah. That's good. Yeah.
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John C Dvorak: And, and then I might watch the five. Oh, maybe
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I think
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Adam Curry: also ever since Jesse waters took over like the
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prime time spot is like, just done. It's like, he's goofy.
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John C Dvorak: He is goofy. He's
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Adam Curry: goofy. You know, at least if Tucker at least we
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could watch and say let's see if he has what we had three days
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ago. Yeah.
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John C Dvorak: A month ago.
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Adam Curry: Now he did the high start to catch up. It started to
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become like Sunday and then Monday are
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John C Dvorak: catching up. They had to get rid of him. Yeah,
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exactly.
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Adam Curry: He got too close to the truth. Exactly right. Well,
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as we predicted, as we predicted on non Thursday, the heat dome
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is here who's to
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Unknown: coast tonight scorching triple digit temperatures from
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California to Florida, across the West. 50 million people
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under a heat dome all notice as carbon dioxide is accumulating
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faster than ever in the atmosphere. Notice
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Adam Curry: that has nothing to do with the heat dome. But no,
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it just says that we'll just associated we're
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John C Dvorak: gonna get this report where you throw carbon
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dioxide it's got nothing to do with this MBC baby
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Unknown: site is accumulating faster. All this as Noah says
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under a heat dome. All this as notice as carbon dioxide is
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accumulating faster than ever in the atmosphere acting like a
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blanket over the earth and warming the planet. The EU finds
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globally the last 12 months have each been the hottest ever on
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record.
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We need to very seriously people are dying. People are
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dying mass
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John C Dvorak: cold here. I mean, stop the presses. It's
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cold and right now to temperatures throughout cold.
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kinda cold, but it's 56 or so. And the heat dome was here for
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two days. The fog rolled and it's been colder this year than
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it was last year. Another record breaking cold for the Bay Area.
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Who are we kidding?
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Adam Curry: I love how riled up you get over this because they
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lie. No, they're not lying. They're saying there's a heat
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dome. And then she says all this as Noah says there's more carbon
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dioxide has nothing to do with the heat dome. But then she
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brings it brings in the blanket. The blanket is killing people.
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But that's NBC. How about the elitist voices from NPR?
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Unknown: The heat dome is a big pocket of high pressure that
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locks in heat. Okay,
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what is the connection between climate change generally and
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this specific heat event?
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Adam Curry: This is Didn't you want to know this once you would
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you interest there's never
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John C Dvorak: been a high pressure system in the history
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of mankind until climate change. No
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Adam Curry: 1936 We had a very big No way. Yes, it was one of
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the most severe heat waves that took place in the middle of the
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Great Depression and the Dust Bowl 1936 1936 when we didn't
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have any climate change back then or maybe we did I don't
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know. But it was the same temperature but now now this
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high pressure system which as far as I can tell has nothing to
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do with carbon dioxide has everything to do with carbon
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dioxide According to NPR
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Unknown: they're intimately connected.
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Adam Curry: intimately connected there they haven't they making
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love out there on the beach general Li and
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Unknown: this specific heat event
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they're intimately connected save, you know, humans burn oil
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and gas and coal it releases planning.
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Adam Curry: Are we going to get through anything today? Are you
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just one Oh,
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John C Dvorak: he's just one of those sorts of clips.
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Adam Curry: This is good stuff, man. This is why we're here so
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people can feel good about knowing that they're being
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bullcrap till
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Unknown: it releases carbon dioxide and other planet warming
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gases, those gases, they accumulate in the atmosphere
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over the course of decades and all that excess gas traps heat
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and that directly leads to higher temperatures worldwide
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directly, it helps drive these extreme heat events, temperature
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get even
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Adam Curry: she's kind of waffling around, like okay, so
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carbon dioxide, according to her heats up the air, but has
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nothing to do with the heat dome directly
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Unknown: leads to higher temperatures worldwide. It helps
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drive these extreme heat events, where the temperature gets
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really high and sees really high like what we're seeing. And in
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fact, scientists can say that the most intense heat waves that
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are happening right now would be literally impossible without
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human caused climate change. So
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John C Dvorak: literally impossible, literally. That that
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does include the Dust Bowl, literally impossible without
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scorched the earth and resulted in everyone from Oklahoma moving
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into California and 30s not Texas, because they're part of a
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worldwide depression. Yeah, nothing like that. No, no, no,
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nothing
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Adam Curry: like that. literally impossible.
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Unknown: It's a really close connection.
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Our news here is a really close connection. Oh, lady that carbon
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dioxide levels are hitting a record. Many people who follow
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this are aware that the United States has been cutting its
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greenhouse gas emissions. How does that work?
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Adam Curry: Yeah, what
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Unknown: states has been cutting its greenhouse gas emissions.
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Yeah,
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yeah, that didn't happen. That's but yeah, quite small. This was
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last year and two years before that. The US emissions actually
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increased each year. So the bigger picture here is that, you
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know, one, the US decrease in emissions is not that big, and
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to a lot of other countries are not cutting their emissions. So
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altogether, it's definitely not enough on its own to reverse
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this trend of co2 accumulation.
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There is the question of the rest of the world which is the
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majority of the world's people and the majority of the economic
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activity
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, we've got to kill the cows you got to
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eat bugs? Or is there something else we can do? Rebecca Hirscher
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Unknown: so how is the carbon dioxide level measured? Well,
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scientists continuously measure co2 in the atmosphere and every
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single year the peaks
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Adam Curry: how how he said how co2 amount sets
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Unknown: a new record because humans keep adding more co2
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faster than it can break down this has been happening since
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scientists started measurements in 1958. And because scientists
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are able to use other methods as well to estimate how much co2
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was oh it's an
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Adam Curry: estimation he sees she's She didn't answer the
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question. He said how do they do it? Well, they got other methods
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they estimate models perhaps
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Unknown: and because scientists are able to use other methods as
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well to estimate how much
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Adam Curry: I don't know it shows other other than what is
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NPR man
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Unknown: estimated how much co2 was in the atmosphere going back
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millennia? We can actually say with confidence that there's
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more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere now than there has
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been in millions of years. Millions
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John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
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Adam Curry: The dinosaurs had what 10 times as much carbon
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dioxide so they could actually survive millions
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John C Dvorak: wasn't for the dinosaurs benefit for for plants
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you have that much carbon dioxide plants go nuts. You need
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big giant plants for the dinosaur
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Adam Curry: to eat. Yes, that's why yes, giant
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Unknown: then there has been even this guy is going millions
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millions of years and
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millions and millions of years. Okay, so how high is this
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number?
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Well, the exact number is 426.9 parts per million of co2 in the
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atmosphere. That may not sound like a lot parts per million.
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But the earth is really really like a lot as point.
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John C Dvorak: Oh 4% Are you kidding me? Yes,
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Adam Curry: of which the US is what are we responsible? 30% of
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that? Oh point 4% I
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John C Dvorak: don't know I brought or No, I 20%. But there
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was just a make
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Unknown: per million. But the earth is really really sensitive
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to changes in the atmosphere. A little bit of extra co2 chops, a
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lot of heat, but really sticks out is that this number is
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significantly higher than last year. It was a really, really
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big jump really, really, June the atmosphere is actually
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accelerating. Rebecca
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thanks for the update. Really appreciate it.
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Thanks so much. Really.
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Adam Curry: Here's Rebecca Hirsch bullshit, massive bull
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crap mass which
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John C Dvorak: the problem with this debt clip and everything
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else that you've been hearing is that the clip I have? Oh, this
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is the problem a which I find to be very distressing. We haven't
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talked about this too much. It does come up in the
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conversation. Yes, but this is the clip about The psychological
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effects this is typical, the psychological effects of lying
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to the public about all this stuff in a negative way, this is
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the micro climate effects on children.
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Unknown: A child born today will live an entire life shaped by
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climate change. But a new report in the journal The Lancet, finds
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that children may not be getting due consideration in a country's
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climate adaptation policies and peers Alejandra Varuna has more.
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Most countries in the world now have written plans for how to
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deal with climate change. But when a team of researchers
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looked at 160 of them, they found a notable gap. About a
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quarter didn't have any policy goals specifically aimed at
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helping and protecting children. And none had any plans to
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address the growing problem of climate related anxiety amongst
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young people. Another recent analysis found that nearly 60%
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of kids surveyed worldwide were very or extremely worried about
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climate change. The researchers suggest getting kids directly
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involved in climate policy decisions since it's their lives
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that will be most affected.
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Adam Curry: Oh, you let the kids get involved? Yeah, this I think
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the climate change PR company has been working because Time
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magazine, or time.com, I should say. Also had quite the article
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they only they call it climate despair.
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John C Dvorak: Yes, that's what the kids are experiencing
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climate despair. How did they get this way? Of course, from
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the from the teachers who are scientists, and the other idiots
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that are ruining their lives. So
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Adam Curry: the time starts off with forget climate anxiety,
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many people are either in flat out climate despair, hands up
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trolls, if you're in climate despair, let me see all the
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hands. According to this article, two thirds of Americans
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65% report being worried about global warming, which of course
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we know every single poll puts it at the bottom. They're like,
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how about the economy? Good
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John C Dvorak: point about all these polls do come out during
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the election periods and climate change is not up there.
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Adam Curry: If the threat is existential, is there value in
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sorting out how you feel about it? The very first step is full
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validation, says Lesley Davenport, a climate psychology
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educator, oh boy, and author of books including emotional
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resilience in the era of climate change, a clinicians guide, and
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she has seven handy tips. As it says here climate aware
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therapists here share their most effective coping strategy from
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going from overwhelmed to empowered Are you interested in
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hearing some tips on how to
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John C Dvorak: yes and no?
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Adam Curry: What's the no part
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John C Dvorak: is that this is a terrible thing to be discussing.
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But we I think you should at least roll out these fabulous
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tips and I'm sure this should be at the top of everyone's list of
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things to do. Okay,
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Adam Curry: first of all, top of the list talk about it. Oh,
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John C Dvorak: that's what we're doing. We're number one. Yes,
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Adam Curry: climate change tends to get the religion and politics
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treatment people avoid talking about it. Join the don't here's
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here's, here's, here's part of this tip is join a climate cafe.
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Hello, is there join a climate Cafe these are discussed
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John C Dvorak: with the hills a climate Cafe these
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Adam Curry: these are discussion spaces, both online and in
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person where people can talk freely about their fears and
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other feelings related to climate change
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John C Dvorak: is like sensitivity training.
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Adam Curry: I think all I know is in this encounter group. This
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may be as popular as the internet cafes of the of the
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early 90s. Get yourself a climate cafe. Or you could shot
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change the good grief network, which is a peer support group
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that follows a 10 step approach
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John C Dvorak: to Oh, we've gone from seven to 10
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, this is we're still number one. Number
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two is use your connections. Use your connections because you
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know connection
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John C Dvorak: that it has connections protection, and it
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will save us from climate change. Is that what they said?
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Well, you have connections you want to have climate change.
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What are they talking about? Research
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Adam Curry: suggests that the lonelier and more socially
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isolated someone feels the higher their levels of climate
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distress. So freely,
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John C Dvorak: it seems to me somebody's completely out of the
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loop. They won't even know about this.
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Adam Curry: You've got to find your people, which is of course
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no agenda meetups.com We're so on. We've got number one and
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number two. You could also join local land restoration efforts.
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Get involved with involved with community gardening.
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John C Dvorak: Put a garden in your backyard. Oh wait, these
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are all apartment dwellers who we're talking about who are all
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into this because they can't afford a house because they're
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sitting around fretting about climate changes that are doing
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some work. Number
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Adam Curry: three, analyze your carbon footprint. This will help
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some people cope with climate distress by distancing
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themselves from the problem, they ignore it hoping it will
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just go away. It's more effective to take the energy of
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all those emotions and redirect them into constructive action.
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You can use an online calculator to track your carbon footprint,
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you'll feel better about yourself.
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John C Dvorak: That would assess Yes, yes. What
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Adam Curry: about cutting co2 emissions by taking the train
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instead of an airplane? Be honest with yourself. Number
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three on the list, share your
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John C Dvorak: London a calculation of a train bus to
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build and operate in terms of carbon footprint compared to a
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plane. I
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Adam Curry: just love doing these with you, you know, God
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felt should be ashamed of himself. He hasn't had you on
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the show yet. Awesome. Number three, share your views. This is
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no time for humility. Make sure everyone around you noticed that
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you're going to combat climate change. If you're surrounded by
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people,
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John C Dvorak: wow, that's a good one.
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Adam Curry: To wear the t shirt. If you're surrounded by people
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who don't appear to prioritize the environment as much as you
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do lead by example. Rather than trying to change their minds,
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grow fruits and vegetables, share them with your neighbors.
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John C Dvorak: It's a good idea.
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Adam Curry: We're on to the next point make it a family affair.
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This is how you really get to the kids. Research suggests that
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climate change is especially affecting young people's mental
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health. If your kids are coming to you with concerns, slap them
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upside the head, tell them to knock it off. Oh wait. That's
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not what it says. If your kids are coming to you with concerns,
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listen and validate them. Then get imaginative about your home
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how your whole family can take action together. Can
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John C Dvorak: you imagine this? What you just described?
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Actually, somebody doing this What's slapping the kid worried
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sick as he's just got out of school. He's worried sick. He's
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fretting. He's was hand wringing he or she hand wringing crying
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perhaps about the climate? And then you're going to validate
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this? Yeah. Oh,
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Adam Curry: yeah. This is what you do. This is what you do. Get
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artsy is the next one on the list? Yes. Making art can help
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people regulate and work through their emotions. You're doing
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pattern repetitive movements and getting into a flow state. Tell
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them to code. It's calming.
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John C Dvorak: Learn to code calming. Learn
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Adam Curry: to get into the flow state of coding. You can use
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colors, shapes and lines to express how you're feeling.
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John C Dvorak: Really? Yes, final
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Adam Curry: one on the list. Savor time outside. Yes.
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spending time outside in green spaces will benefit your well
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being. love and grief are two sides of the same coin. Be Yes.
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So there's some kind of some kind of PR to the end of the
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show could have been our tip. No, I got it's my turn for the
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tip of the day. So I got a tip of the day. Oh, I have
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John C Dvorak: a tip. No, don't do go to Tim. No, no link tip.
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Adam Curry: No. You said it was my turn to do the tip. You made
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this. Why'd you
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John C Dvorak: have to start doing Yes. I didn't quite say
18:38
that. But it's fine you if you have a
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Adam Curry: tip. Alright, we'll both do a tip at the end of the
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show. It'll be dueling Tip of the day, but only only the tip.
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John C Dvorak: I like dueling Tip of the Day. All right, we'll
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Adam Curry: do Duolingo and then we should
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John C Dvorak: do a vote off.
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Adam Curry: Okay, sounds good. Speaking of traumatizing
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terrorizing your kids, there is some actual good news. Good
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news. And this comes from of course, you're not going to hear
19:04
much about it. They had a press conference and well, there was a
19:09
little clip somewhere but that was about it. The American
19:12
College of Pediatrics came out with a press conference. This
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was this was a little bit like the were the doctors during
19:22
COVID who went on the steps of the Senate remember then they
19:26
all had the lab coats on
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John C Dvorak: I'm trying to think of what they were called
19:31
Adam Curry: yeah that a kind of good name is like doctors cute
19:35
name Yeah.
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John C Dvorak: Doctors for doctors, real doctors. Yeah
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Adam Curry: real with real doctors.
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John C Dvorak: Actual doctors line we
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Adam Curry: have the frontline the frontline doctors,
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John C Dvorak: Frontline, frontline something something,
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whatever. So it's kind
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Adam Curry: of similar. They have a woman spokesperson.
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Everyone has their lab coats on that did the guy emblems you
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know, they look official. They are official. They've released a
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whole lot of survey. Data and here's what they had to say.
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Unknown: And we have serious concerns about the physical and
20:05
mental health effects of the current protocols promoted for
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the care of children and adolescents in the United States
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who expressed discomfort with their biological sex. This
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declaration was authored by the American College of
20:18
Pediatricians. But really it was developed from the expertise of
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hundreds of doctors, researchers and other health care workers
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and leaders, who for years have been sounding the alarm on the
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harmful protocols that continue to be promoted by the medical
20:32
organizations in the United States goals. Despite recent
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revelations from the leaked W path files, and the recent
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release of the final report from the cast review, these medical
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organizations have not changed course. So we are calling on
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these medical organizations of the United States, including the
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American Academy of Pediatrics, The Endocrine Society, the
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pediatric Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association,
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the American Psychological Association, and the American
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Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry to follow the science
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and their European colleagues. And immediately stop the
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promotion of social affirmation, puberty blockers, cross sex
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hormones and surgeries for certain for children and
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adolescents who experience distress over their biological
21:18
sex. In our declaration, we affirm that sex is a dimorphic
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innate trait defined in relation to an organism's biological role
21:28
in reproduction, male and female. This genetic signature
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is present in every nucleated somatic cell in the body, and is
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not altered by drugs or surgical interventions. Consideration of
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these innate differences is critical to the practice of good
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medicine, and to the development of sound policy for children and
21:48
adults alike. Medical Decision Making should be based upon an
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individual's biological sex, it should respect biological
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reality and the dignity of the person by compassionately
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addressing the whole person. We are here to find the claims made
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by these medical organizations in the US that those of us who
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are concerned are a minority, and that their protocols are
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consensus. They are not consensus, and we are speaking
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in a loud unified voice Enough,
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Adam Curry: enough. Amen.
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Unknown: Amen to that. Enough,
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John C Dvorak: I saw this. Did you see at the same time this
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was going on there? Was that weird? a drag queen, female or
22:35
guide or what it was at the Texas Democrat convention? Oh,
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yeah. Yeah, pretty much saying the exact same opposite. This is
22:42
hopeless. The problem is the way I see it, yeah. With people like
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Kaiser Foundation and all these health organizations is that
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this is a moneymaker bonanza. It's a bonanza. And so what if
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the kids are scarred for life or they commit suicide three years
22:59
later? Who cares? Their money to be made from these processes is
23:04
too much. And then these people that are involved with this
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group here that you're just played, will all be rebuked? The
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trying to break us there.
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Adam Curry: At the same time, what I found a little maybe even
23:18
more interesting is that the covenant school Tennessee
23:25
shooter Audrey Hale, they have they recovered a journal, the
23:30
Tennessee star, reprinted pieces of it. Yeah,
23:33
John C Dvorak: that before just to preface what you're gonna
23:36
say, we had one of the police doing that investigation,
23:42
contact us and we played it, or I discussed this or read from
23:45
this note, and we discussed it, he had already seen the entire
23:49
thing. And it was horrendous. Well,
23:54
Adam Curry: the part that is interesting, these are these so
23:57
this is not the manifesto, but this is part of this child's
24:02
journal. And I'll just quote from the piece here later Hale
24:06
wrote, I will be of no use of love for any girl if I don't
24:09
have what they need a boy's body a male gender. Next to these
24:14
remarks, hail illustrated the words everything hurts, which
24:17
she used repeatedly throughout the journal. While the source of
24:21
hails purported discomfort is unclear, mosquitoes must
24:24
musculoskeletal pain is a possible side effect of
24:28
medication that was prescribed to hell by staff at the
24:32
Vanderbilt University Medical Center, of course, but who knows
24:36
what that was. But in addition to this pain, the National
24:39
Institutes of Health explains the side effects of that
24:42
medication. The anti anxiety drug buce pirone include
24:48
abnormal dreams, outbursts of anger, tremors and physical
24:52
weakness. Hail was additionally prescribed. S Khatallah pram,
24:56
better known as Lexapro and Medical News Today explains that
25:00
using the depression drug with busick prone could could quote
25:04
increase the risk of the side effects, which is outbursts of
25:08
anger, etc. Stop putting kids on these drugs. Let's start with
25:15
that. And
25:16
John C Dvorak: that's all Oh, that's no good. It's costing us
25:21
money.
25:22
Adam Curry: We got to boots. Did you see the email from our I
25:24
asked him if I could read some of this from our producer who
25:27
was in the testing industrial complex during COVID. Speaking
25:30
of money, the Bonanza that it was, these was a very long
25:33
email. I don't know if you read it. I didn't see it. He says the
25:36
company I work for had the contracts to test about 225,000
25:40
students and staff on a weekly basis. This was the Los Angeles
25:44
United school district provide a unified and the contracts to
25:50
test half of the LAUSD for one school year was how much you
25:54
think that was $20 million $750 million.
26:01
John C Dvorak: I'm a little low.
26:03
Adam Curry: Just a tad. Another company had the contract to test
26:06
the other half. When it started, we had 800 health care workers
26:10
flown in, living in hotel rooms in and around Los Angeles
26:14
getting $87 Per Diem so each day you get 87 bucks to do stuff
26:18
with at the time we were the largest US customer for Hertz
26:22
rent a car with nearly 500 vehicles. Eventually to help the
26:25
economy. We transition to all local employees hired as
26:29
temporary W tos. At the end we had 1200 employees on the
26:34
project. The lab we contracted with was in Oakland, California.
26:38
So twice a day Monday through Friday. Samples were flown from
26:42
Van Nuys Airport up to Oakland by a contracted company using
26:45
their own aircraft. And then he goes on to say about he says
26:50
working with the LAUSD was a nightmare as you can imagine the
26:53
DEI bullshit was off the charts. Both the LAUSD and company I
26:56
worked for suffered mightily from the incompetence inherent
27:00
to dei literal effing idiots toxic, paranoid narcissists.
27:04
When no Biden's vaccine mandate came down, their true fastest
27:08
nature was exposed, exposed, I had to fire people who did not
27:12
want the poison Vax because LAUSD did not want the unclean
27:16
in their schools. And then, our boots on the ground producer has
27:20
his own confession, he says, I know I will burn in hell for
27:23
what I did, which I am ashamed to admit I did out of greed,
27:27
having gorgeous, I love that he's no, you will not bother
27:30
you. And I'm praying for you. Having never made a lot of
27:33
money, and in the previous 10 years living outside the normal
27:36
financial system, and only making about $24,000 a year I'm
27:39
ashamed to say the temptation of $250,000 a year was too much to
27:44
withstand. I knew all about the Nuremberg Code, but on every
27:47
occasion I attempted to discuss with my superiors, I was
27:50
rebuffed, I still have a lump on my head from banging it against
27:53
the wall in frustration on an hourly basis. Any attempt to
27:57
improve operations or efficiency had to be measured against the
27:59
potential loss of revenue. So the more inefficient and the
28:02
more people required, the more money make my company made.
28:06
Remember that contract was for up to $750 million? No way in
28:09
hell, they would leave money on the table. Ah. So that that
28:17
that's it. That's really what what is happening with these
28:19
trans kids? That's what's happening with the entire
28:24
pharmaceutical system, the system, the system itself, the
28:29
system? And yes, of course, there are good doctors. I got a
28:32
sweet note from one of our doctors said we're not all
28:34
horrible. No, of course you're not with generalizing.
28:38
John C Dvorak: It is not the doctors fault. Usually. It's the
28:40
protocols. Yes, it Yeah, the doctors have to go especially if
28:44
they're working for some organization. They have to
28:46
follow the protocols. They're just simply get fired. And
28:50
meanwhile I ever met in and hydroxy, Chloroquine and all
28:53
that stuff was thrown out the door because No, no, no, it's
28:55
not at a protocol you can't do and you couldn't get
28:57
Adam Curry: emergency use authorization if there was
29:00
something that could fix the problem.
29:03
Unknown: And then we come to the VAX this morning chiefs
29:05
defensive end Vijay Thompson recovering following a medical
29:09
emergency sources say the 25 year old Thompson appeared to
29:12
suffer a seizure and go into cardiac arrest during a team
29:16
meeting Thursday
29:17
while I'm arrowhead drive cardiac arrest. There's a doctor
29:20
on site and CPR is in progress at this time.
29:23
Team doctors and trainers are working to stabilize the young
29:26
player before an ambulance rushed him to a nearby hospital.
29:30
The Chiefs canceling practice, but not offering any official
29:33
comment. How critical are those first few minutes post cardiac
29:37
event?
29:38
The first few minutes and even seconds are critical. We know
29:42
that every second that the heart is not pumping blood as it
29:46
should to the brain and the rest of the body. The probability of
29:49
having a good outcome declines precipitously as
29:52
a rookie defensive lineman Thompson played in one game last
29:55
season showing promise on a team that took home yet another Super
29:59
Bowl championship. His college coach writing prayers up for SFA
30:04
football zone. BJ Thompson, thankful for the Chiefs medical
30:07
team, as the rapid and excellent response made the difference.
30:10
Adam Curry: Now you've been following sports ball for many,
30:14
many years. Have you ever seen this many cardiac arrest round
30:20
John C Dvorak: is happening commonly. And it's the whole sub
30:24
stack column dedicated to this. I think I sent you one of these
30:28
ones. Everyone's will send you one because it has too many
30:30
people in it. The last time he did one, I can't remember this.
30:34
I have to hit the nail. You got it? Yeah, tips, put it in the
30:37
tips. Yeah. But it's the guy follows all this. And he
30:42
recently just did all these celebrities that that were rock
30:48
and roll musicians that are starting to drop left and right.
30:52
are having these heart attacks just out of the blue. And it's
30:57
it's pretty well, I have a series of clips. Peter
31:00
McCullough coming up later, can
31:02
Adam Curry: I play the payoff to this one, and then we can
31:05
actually go to McCool. Actually, I
31:07
John C Dvorak: got I have an inner it's something in the
31:09
middle. That should probably be played. Okay. All right. Yeah, I
31:12
want to pay off. What's the payoff?
31:14
Adam Curry: Oh, what do you want to do you want to play? You're
31:16
in the middle clip, or do you want me? No, no, no,
31:18
John C Dvorak: the enemy video clip is light. Well, the
31:20
question
31:21
Adam Curry: that the experts are stumped. They cannot. They
31:26
John C Dvorak: they're always stumped. They cannot figure out
31:28
their experts. By the way. They know everything about
31:31
everything. But for some reason this situation stumps them they
31:35
don't
31:35
Adam Curry: understand the the cancers. They don't understand
31:39
the cardiac. Right turbo cancer turbo, can't they aggressive
31:44
turbo? Can they just don't have that? Is it something in the
31:47
food? Is it is it something environmental? Is it stress?
31:52
transfats.
31:53
John C Dvorak: Here's the latest
31:54
Unknown: we turn to a health alert now and it's released
31:56
today raising concerns about popular sugar substitute. Dan
32:00
Thompson is here and what did we learn
32:01
in Leicester. This is the latest study to find a link between a
32:04
common sugar substitute and cardiovascular issues. Xylitol
32:09
is in all sorts of free gum candy and baked goods, even
32:13
toothpaste.
32:14
Adam Curry: So now it's the Xylitol that's doing it.
32:16
John C Dvorak: And by the way, xylitol has been in the public
32:19
domain as a sweetener for digestible sweetener, basically,
32:25
that that sugary for I remember first hearing about it 30 years
32:30
ago, where all the heart attacks then.
32:32
Adam Curry: Well, Newsweek reports the latest because these
32:36
pilots all I mean, people can't remember the name even No, no.
32:40
Energy drinks are linked to sudden cardiac arrest. There it
32:43
is. Oh, that's new on the scene. The researchers at the Mayo
32:48
Clinic have warned that drinking these beverages, which often
32:52
contain high amounts of caffeine and other stimulating
32:54
ingredients, oh, no dangerous for people with genetic heart
32:58
disease. Yes. So they studied they examined 144 sudden cardiac
33:04
arrest survivors, seven patients within this group had consumed
33:07
one or more energy drinks near to the time of the cardiac
33:11
event. So you could drink a monster and keel over dead. When
33:18
are we going to wake up as a civilization
33:20
John C Dvorak: but you're waking up? You're like, oh, no, no,
33:24
Adam Curry: no. Clearly waking
33:26
John C Dvorak: up doesn't know. Too much money, money, money,
33:29
money.
33:29
Adam Curry: There's 900,000 people who listen to this show.
33:32
They're waking up. They're like, hey, wait a minute, I'm awake.
33:34
John C Dvorak: Well, 900,000 that's one in 300 with less than
33:38
one and three. Everybody
33:39
Adam Curry: tells 300 Friends, the whole country like the rich
33:47
John C Dvorak: wish they would.
33:49
Adam Curry: All right, you're up to bat. Okay,
33:52
John C Dvorak: well, here this is a little break in the action.
33:54
But before we get to some more serious stuff. This is
33:56
interesting, because this is an ask Adam.
33:59
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second. Oh, I wasn't I was not
34:02
prepared. All right. You haven't asked Adam now. You mean, you're
34:07
doing these and I wasn't quite you know, we haven't been
34:10
John C Dvorak: quite get it. You haven't already? I didn't
34:15
Adam Curry: answer the question. The answer the question.
34:18
John C Dvorak: I got to ask Adam question. Yes.
34:21
Adam Curry: Do I play it now? Yeah. Okay.
34:23
Unknown: One of the country's most famous doctors is getting
34:25
some long awaited recognition.
34:30
John C Dvorak: Okay, what are the most famous now you know who
34:32
this is? It
34:33
Adam Curry: can only be one of two people can only be one of
34:37
two people.
34:38
John C Dvorak: And this is this over here. This is NPR so it's
34:40
very important. Yes. Okay, who are the one? Who do you think it
34:44
might? Okay, I'll give you the two. Are they?
34:47
Adam Curry: Okay? It's either the truly most important doctor
34:51
in Oh, I'm sorry. There's four. I'll give them to you in order
34:56
of appearance one Dr. Peter McCullough two Dr. Drew three,
35:02
Dr. Fauci and for Dr. Bill Jaiden
35:10
John C Dvorak: well, you're damn close.
35:11
Adam Curry: Okay, all right. I have two answers here apparently
35:15
which one do we play? You
35:16
John C Dvorak: play the number one and which is the second one
35:19
just to follow
35:19
Unknown: up getting some long awaited recognition. I drink
35:22
Dr. Pepper and out of crowds Oh no. Dr.
35:29
Pepper just surpassed Pepsi to become the second most popular
35:33
carbonated beverage in America. Coca Cola is still number one.
35:36
Coca Cola Classic has about 19% of the carbonated soft drink
35:40
market in the US Dwayne
35:42
Stanford is the editor and publisher of beverage digest.
35:46
So then in second place, you got Dr Pepper with an 8.3 Share,
35:50
which
35:50
is now a carbonated bubble or two ahead of Pepsi.
36:03
Dr. Pepper used to market itself as the plucky underdog of soft
36:07
drinks, but it's actually older than Coke or Pepsi. It was
36:11
invented in 1885 started
36:14
off as a regional brand in the southwest and it grew over the
36:18
years and its major national player
36:21
which Wayne Stanford credits to Dr. Peppers targeted marketing.
36:25
They've gone
36:26
really big on college football. On any given weekend during the
36:30
championship bowl series, you'll see Dr. Pepper
36:35
girls football playoff trophy. Dr. Pepper, the Greek gods
36:40
trophies classic.
36:43
This afternoon he also has a strong presence on Tik Tok where
36:46
Dr. Pepper and pickles has become a thing. Here's tic tock
36:51
her and a gray stems.
36:54
The pickles are in there I invested pickle juice in there
36:57
for good measure. And here goes the doctor Kripa
37:01
Adam Curry: not bad. All right. I'm very disappointed in myself
37:04
for a number of reasons. One I forgot to mention Dr. Johnny
37:07
fever as one of the most important doctors in America to
37:10
every single no agenda show but I consume a seven and a half
37:14
fluid ounce can of Dr Pepper. If that's why I knew it was
37:19
established in 1885 Because it says it right on the cam and it
37:24
has 23 of authentic blends of flavors. Yes. Do you know Dr. Oz
37:33
is
37:33
John C Dvorak: a little more What do you know
37:35
Adam Curry: the ingredients of a Dr Pepper? No I do not
37:38
carbonated water high fructose corn syrup. Oh it's got high
37:42
fructose corn residue and good caramel caramel color.
37:46
Phosphoric acid natural and artificial flavors sodium
37:50
benzoate caffeine and is produced under the authority of
37:55
Dr. Pepper seven up Inc Hall of Fame label All right there you
37:59
go Frisco Louis
38:00
John C Dvorak: aside it's just a little more foggy first of all
38:03
this is a native ad Do you think and I've been finding native ads
38:07
on NPR more often than not interesting and they go out of
38:11
their way to promote one product even though they mentioned the
38:14
competition they do a really good job it makes it sound like
38:17
oh what an interesting story they came
38:20
Adam Curry: through and Coca Cola and they're just way
38:23
John C Dvorak: out to the store without saying something but
38:26
they did this is like support like news but it's not news it's
38:29
a native as somebody bought and paid for this do the timing on
38:32
it but I'm sure that length is right on the money in some way.
38:36
And the other thing is as interesting and they actually
38:39
sell this in a store in Marin County but the when Dr. Pepper
38:46
was sold to seventh up the original owners the family that
38:53
owns it we're allowed to continue making the original Dr.
38:57
Pepper as Dr. Pibb it's still called Dr. Pepper is has some
39:04
some differences on the label and it's it tastes better and
39:07
this may was sugar and not fructose corn syrup see of
39:11
course. And it's more expensive by a lot. It's a little bitty
39:17
bottle and but it's good and if you can and it's I think it is
39:22
still be made in Texas in Waco. Waco. Yeah, Waco is the OG so
39:26
you can look it up. You can probably drink that so that crap
39:28
you're drinking. Well,
39:29
Adam Curry: you're right because it could give me a cardiac
39:31
arrest.
39:33
John C Dvorak: Any minute, so I can go so if you want to finish
39:37
off the native add more details. Here we go. Can't wait.
39:41
Unknown: It's weird, but it's not bad.
39:43
That's a standard for you. We're not bad. Dwayne Stanford says
39:46
Dr. Pepper has gained ground also because of the choices by
39:50
the rival it just past Petzi
39:52
has invested more in their zero sugar offerings and not as much
39:58
in Pepsi Cola. They believe That's the future when it comes
40:01
to carbonated soft drinks.
40:02
So Pepsi Cola is down Dr. Pepper is Stanford anticipates Dr.
40:06
Pepper will stay in second place. So cheers
40:09
to Dr. Pepper. Okay, the pickles. I know pickles. Yeah,
40:13
yeah.
40:15
Adam Curry: Wow. To be a pepper to steal still in my head from
40:20
when I was six years old dynamite that's a good one
40:24
John's machine Those are good for a jeep, Jeep. Wait until you
40:27
hear the tip of the day jingle. But, you know, I know that the
40:31
tip of the day is is is a runaway success because I'm
40:35
John C Dvorak: Brian always unlike Yeah, I was running away
40:39
from
40:40
Adam Curry: unlike the good news. I must have 20 Tip of the
40:44
Day jingle. So people are liking it. They liked the idea and
40:47
they're gonna have to wait until they get their daily dose of
40:50
tip. Just the tip. Just the tip. Well, I know. I know. You say no
40:59
one's going to know is your season have revealed as crap
41:02
merited it. But
41:03
Unknown: yeah, but yeah, crap. Yeah, yeah.
41:06
Adam Curry: But the Supreme Court justices. That's really
41:13
coming to a head right now. By why? Well, because of the
41:18
disclosure. You heard about the disclosures? No. Oh, the
41:23
disclosures
41:24
Unknown: tonight Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, for the
41:27
first time is officially disclosing a controversial 2019
41:31
trip to Bali with billionaire Harlan Crowe. At the time Thomas
41:35
said the trips were a form of personal hospitality that
41:38
justices did not have to report. Now his disclosure report said
41:42
the two trips had been inadvertently omitted from his
41:45
2019 report. As for his colleagues, Justice Catan g
41:49
brown Jackson reported receiving a $900,000 book advance plus for
41:54
concert tickets were $3,700 from pop superstar Beyonce. And just
42:00
as Sonia Sotomayor disclosed $86,000 In Book royalties, the
42:05
Supreme Court adopted a new code of conduct last year, although
42:09
critics say there's no way to enforce it.
42:11
Adam Curry: So this is really interesting, because of course,
42:13
going after Clarence Thomas for these trips that he took on on
42:17
someone's private jet. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Catan G
42:21
Jackson Browne gets a $900,000 advance on her book, and we all
42:28
know it will read and maybe you can explain how book sales work
42:31
and how you get on the New York Times bestseller list?
42:36
John C Dvorak: Well, I can. No, I can't really explain how you
42:40
get the New York Times bestseller list, even though
42:42
it's it tends to be just reported sales for a short very,
42:47
very short time from from certain booksellers. And then
42:50
it's extrapolated and made into the book, the best sellers. This
42:53
is not a genuine reflection of any sales whatsoever, because
42:57
there's plenty of independent booksellers that sell a lot of
43:01
books. And that never gets reported in New York Times in
43:03
the first place. But that's what I'm that. So that's something of
43:08
a promotion of public relations. What I'm what I'm then what
43:12
Adam Curry: I'm nudging towards is you have some friendly group,
43:15
buy up a whole slew of those books and hand them out at
43:18
conferences.
43:19
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's very common. In fact, I had this I
43:22
busted. I was writing for the DEC professional and I did tell
43:26
them once, here we go. Is this for this story? Yeah. So I'm at
43:31
the Media Lab, with their mindset
43:34
Adam Curry: corporate MIT Media Lab. Yes.
43:37
John C Dvorak: Oh, I got an invite to go. Will Hearst asked
43:41
me if I wanted to go to the as as a group, part of the Hearst
43:46
Corporation and just hang out with with the with the
43:50
corporation at the top guys and him and
43:55
Adam Curry: I don't know Media Lab. I don't think I don't know
43:57
the story. I don't think I know the story. You
43:59
John C Dvorak: should. Anyway, so I would go to the Media Lab.
44:03
And it. Unlike reporters, normally when you go to the
44:07
Media Lab, they always make you sign a bunch of non disclosures.
44:10
But because they were trying to sell the Hearst Corporation on
44:13
some project, there was no non disclosures involved because of
44:17
just assume you're not going to be talking about. Right, right.
44:20
And so they it's a frank Beneke was there and Randy Hurst and
44:24
all these, it was just a bunch of which I got the very funny
44:28
conversations I got to have, and will and I and so we go in there
44:34
and take the whole tour. And I get to hear the pitch from negra
44:38
Ponte, about how they've pre sold the book on the Media Lab,
44:42
which will be written I believe, by Stuart Brand. And he bragged
44:46
about how they're going to have the marketing of this book, and
44:50
about how they're going to priests. This sold the book on a
44:53
pre sale basis where you go in there and say, Look, publisher,
44:57
we're going to sell 50,000 copies of this book. right off
45:00
the off the top, we're gonna buy him back from you after they get
45:03
printed. It was all part of the scheme to get you get become a
45:08
best seller and the holes and you give the books away just
45:11
what you said. Nice. And so we're going we're going through
45:15
the. And they were showing us all the crazy inventions they're
45:21
having. And every time we asked about it, they're always every
45:24
invention seems to have been invented in Japan or China. But
45:28
they're showing all this stuff. But at the very end they would
45:31
happen was the final meeting where they're going on about how
45:35
they should do this and that with technology and diameter
45:39
folks aren't or the Hearst Corporation folks aren't buying
45:42
most of it. And then Martin does. So there's a kicker they
45:46
bring in Marvin Minsky
45:48
Adam Curry: was Epstein with him.
45:51
John C Dvorak: I don't know he was. Marvin Minsky comes in, and
45:55
he sits down and immediately recognizes me. And he gets very
46:02
upset. And he's in he asked him, What is this guy doing here?
46:08
Adam Curry: What is he doing here? is
46:11
John C Dvorak: pretty much what he said. Because I wasn't non
46:15
disclosed. I didn't have to do. You're
46:18
Adam Curry: a hater. You're a troublemaker, you're
46:20
Unknown: either all
46:21
John C Dvorak: and they kicked, they kicked me out. First and I
46:26
both love Edwin and I both left because we was over anyway, so I
46:30
already got what I needed. So later in this story. I wrote
46:35
this up in a deck professional column, calling out the media
46:39
laugh now.
46:40
Adam Curry: Bars deck Digital Equipment Corporation
46:44
John C Dvorak: right ahead of magazine. I was inside I had the
46:47
back cover. So I wrote this thing up and it was very
46:49
critical, the whole operation. That's
46:51
Adam Curry: why they want it you know, no wonder it
46:55
John C Dvorak: took like about three months before all of a
46:58
sudden. But Negroponte was one of the primary publishers kind
47:07
of a publish on or what he really did there but of Wired
47:10
magazine. So they immediately did a hit piece on me.
47:14
Adam Curry: How can you do it? What is there to hit on you?
47:17
That's the point.
47:18
John C Dvorak: So they sent one of their top hit piece writers
47:22
Paulina bursts bore Sook. He's
47:24
Adam Curry: got an old Lexus. He's no good. I mean, what can
47:27
you do? He likes noise they have
47:28
John C Dvorak: so they sent her after me and it was like and
47:31
first thing I did is I did a little background she was a
47:33
vegetarian vegan. So I took her out to dinner at greens in San
47:37
Francisco and got to know her. She could not come up with
47:40
anything the hit piece became a kind of a bio of me and wired
47:44
look it up it's around and it's so weak and it's like they
47:49
couldn't do it because I'm not a hittable. I don't really I'm not
47:52
an interesting guy. No one has been around the block
47:58
Adam Curry: boring just for title a potential show title
48:02
will and I like that. That
48:04
John C Dvorak: Oh, anyways, why? Just because I know I know a few
48:07
people that's for sure. But so that so that whole thing was a
48:11
fiasco. And it was like and that's the way it's done is
48:13
phony. I got a boots on the ground make a long story long.
48:17
Yeah.
48:17
Adam Curry: Well, hold on. We got boots on the ground from our
48:19
producer in South Dakota. This is exactly how Kristi Noem gets
48:22
her books on the New York Times bestseller list. Her campaign
48:26
gives money to right wing groups to buy them up and give them
48:28
away to donors. Yeah, that's what you do.
48:32
John C Dvorak: That's what you do is a good way to go. And it
48:34
doesn't make any money.
48:36
Adam Curry: And it helps me put them there that you know, you
48:37
shot your dog that helps. I mean, it's a little better than
48:40
I got kicked out of MIT, to be honest.
48:45
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I didn't shoot a dog.
48:48
Adam Curry: Bad events back to the Supreme Court and their book
48:51
deals and their and their gifts
48:54
Unknown: and justices are allowed to have some outside
48:56
income, but most of their outside income is capped around
48:59
$30,000. Except you do not have to have a limit on book
49:06
royalties and fees. So these justices who signed these
49:09
multimillion dollar contracts are not subject to any cap and
49:13
they can make as much as they can from these book deals,
49:15
Adam Curry: which is clearly it's that's just as evil
49:20
according to the information we've just gleaned from you,
49:23
because you will
49:24
John C Dvorak: die that but these book deals and you see it
49:25
all the time with somebody get you they quit office and the
49:28
next thing you know they get a million dollar book deal.
49:30
They're not selling a million dollars with the books based on
49:33
royalties. These deals are corrupt. The idea is don't
49:37
worry. Once you get out of office, we'll make it up to you
49:39
and somebody I don't know how this works behind the scenes,
49:43
but somebody's giving somebody a lot of money to it's money
49:47
laundering, is what it is. The publisher gets a bunch of money
49:51
and gives it to the Hillary Clinton let's say or somebody
49:54
saying you actually sell a few books, but most of these people
49:56
can't. And next thing you know, it's like Religion, you were in
50:01
office it is to favorites like people get jobs after the fact
50:05
Adam Curry: you had made a Supreme Court ruling. We're
50:07
gonna make sure we give you you get a nice fat advance on your
50:10
book and we'll buy it all back. It's just as corrupt if not much
50:15
more, but no, Clarence Thomas. Got to go after him. Now MSNBC,
50:20
your boy, I shouldn't say that. Racist of me, Jonathan Capehart
50:26
took a little different. I don't know why I said that. Jonathan
50:31
Capehart. They came out with a little different take and went
50:35
straight to Trump where it all really belongs. So that's part
50:38
of what this is about. Here's the intro into his guest.
50:43
Unknown: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has finally
50:46
acknowledged the luxury getaways he accepted as gifts from a
50:49
Republican billionaire. Justice Thomas updated his financial
50:52
disclosure forms yesterday to include two trips he took in
50:55
2019 with mega donor harlyn CRO mega donor le didn't provide $1
51:00
value for the vacations with CRO pro publica estimated they were
51:03
worth more than 500,000 bucks. Justice Thomas's friendship with
51:08
CRO has fueled serious concerns, by
51:10
Adam Curry: the way that some vacation 500,000 I mean, that
51:15
must
51:15
John C Dvorak: I'm not buying just a couple of things. I don't
51:18
buy that number. But the other thing is, so what is unless you
51:23
can do the following and they're not doing it. Yeah. can watch
51:25
him connect him. What is the connection between Pro and and
51:32
Justice Thomas that would be debt. That's corrupt. I mean, it
51:36
was Was there one specific thing that Tom has ruled on his theory
51:40
is only one of a few I
51:43
Adam Curry: find out? Maybe Maybe we can find out.
51:46
Unknown: Justice Thomas's friendship with crow has fueled
51:48
serious concerns about partisanship concerns on the
51:52
High Court, especially with the consequential
51:54
John C Dvorak: clearly weighed concerns about partisanship.
51:59
Adam Curry: Yes, you can't be you can't be partisan.
52:05
John C Dvorak: So I'm concerned about your partisan ship. That's
52:09
Adam Curry: correct.
52:09
John C Dvorak: What does that even mean?
52:11
Adam Curry: Well, it means that you're you're in it in the in
52:13
the tank for Trump Hello.
52:15
Unknown: The justices still have to release more than two dozen
52:19
decisions of the next three weeks touching on several major
52:21
issues from emergency abortion access to Donald Trump's claim
52:26
of presidential immunity. And then there's reason to fear the
52:31
worst from the court that overturn Roe v. Wade. Recently,
52:34
Justice Sonia Sotomayor shared this warning about the rulings
52:37
ahead.
52:39
There are days that I've come to my office after an announcement
52:45
of a case and closed my door and cried. There have been those
52:50
things and they're likely to be more and there are moments than
52:55
Yes, even I feel desperation or
52:59
John C Dvorak: despair. Okay. This I want to give you a kudos
53:03
for this because I knew about this, per saying that I've never
53:07
heard a clip of it. I wish
53:09
Adam Curry: I could take it that goes completely to the clip
53:12
custodian today. And he's, he's already busy.
53:19
Unknown: Joining me now Ian mill Heiser senior correspondent for
53:21
Vox where he focuses on the Supreme Court and the
53:23
Constitution. He's also the author of the agenda. The
53:27
Republican Supreme Court is reshaping America II Thank you
53:31
very much for coming to the Saturday show. I like yeah, I
53:33
want to get a little time that we have. All right.
53:36
Adam Curry: So a lot of cases in the little amount of time, let's
53:38
guess what could it be about first,
53:40
Unknown: there is Trump versus United States. This isn't
53:43
running presidential immunity. How do we think that's gonna go?
53:45
I mean, I think Trump's already won this case, like, what the
53:48
court is probably going to do is they're gonna say President
53:50
sometimes have immunity and send the case back back down to lower
53:54
court to figure out if Trump does in this case, but none of
53:57
that matters. Like the the issue is, are we going to have a trial
54:00
before the election, and they've already run out the clock so
54:03
much that I think that the answer is going to be now. All
54:06
right.
54:06
Adam Curry: So there's two right one, let's go to Fisher Fisher
54:09
Unknown: versus the United States. This is whether January
54:11
6 participants, including Trump can be charged with obstruction
54:15
of an official proceeding. How do we think are they gonna? Are
54:18
they gonna throw out these charges? I was very surprised at
54:21
how the oral argument while there have been like 16 judges
54:25
who have heard this claim, and only two of them have said that
54:28
the statute should be read narrowly. So these January six
54:31
defendants essentially get off. Now we're talking about there's
54:34
about 1200 January six defendants, including Donald
54:37
Trump, and only about 300 of them have been charged under the
54:41
statute at issue here. So it's not like it's going to be
54:43
blanket immunity for January 6 defendants but we're still
54:46
talking about a good chunk of people who participate in the
54:49
insurrection, lock
54:50
Adam Curry: up the praying grannies. So yes, erection
54:53
doesn't seem like much happening there. Let's get to the case
54:57
that we're also concerned about
54:59
Unknown: the next one. In a couple of cases have to do with
55:01
abortion, the myth of prestone case? Yeah. How do you think the
55:05
justices are going to rule on that? So that is, you know, of
55:09
the two abortion cases. That's the one I'm most optimistic
55:12
about. I think that they'll leave it alone, they'll leave
55:14
access to myth. And that's correct. I mean, almost half of
55:17
more than half of abortions in the United States are performed
55:20
with Miffy per stone. And I think they realized that if they
55:23
accept the lower courts reasoning to ban it, so many
55:26
other drugs will be banned. But these guys don't like abortion,
55:29
but they don't want to ban antibiotics. All right. And so
55:32
that's the good news on abortion there. Thank you. Thank you for
55:35
the hope. Neither of us have a vagina. But hopefully, and this
55:40
is what moil versus the United States, like women. Hi, this is
55:44
whether federal law regulating hospitals, Trump's local
55:48
abortion bans when it comes to performing emergency abortions,
55:51
I think the court is going to do what I mean, I'm worried about
55:55
this case. So there's a federal law that doesn't refer
55:58
specifically to abortions, but it says if you go to an
56:00
emergency room, and you have a medical emergency, they have to
56:04
stabilize your health condition. And so if the appropriate
56:07
treatment is an abortion, the law right now says that you have
56:11
a right to an abortion. I think based on the oral argument,
56:15
they're likely to write that out of the statute, or at least put
56:18
some kind of limits on it so that people who need life saving
56:21
or health saving abortions won't be able to get them anymore.
56:25
Okay.
56:25
Adam Curry: Who cares? All right, kill babies. Good news,
56:28
everybody. But here it is the one we've all been waiting for
56:32
the real deal, it all comes down to this cording to your no
56:35
agenda show. And now,
56:36
Unknown: here's a case that I don't think a lot of people even
56:41
know about, and this is euphemistically known as the
56:44
chevron bias. And this is one whether to overturn the
56:48
Adam Curry: the chevron Chevron case, he said,
56:50
John C Dvorak: but he means I says Chevron, now he means
56:52
Chevron, Chevron, Chevron deference.
56:54
Unknown: Yes. The Chevron guys, and this is one whether they
56:57
said Right, right. I don't know. They say Chevron, right, the
57:01
chevron guys, and this is now
57:03
Adam Curry: the other guy says in the middle says right, this
57:05
is to know whether
57:07
Unknown: to overturn the landmark Supreme Court ruling in
57:10
1984, Chevron case that gave federal agencies leeway to
57:14
interpret the law. Right. Sounds right. Right. And that explain
57:18
why this, this is so dry. And yes, the most important case
57:21
decision to come down from the Supreme. This is both the most
57:24
hyper technical, like even lawyers to have trouble
57:27
understanding a case, but also the most
57:29
Adam Curry: podcasters seem to get it.
57:31
John C Dvorak: For some reason lawyers have no trouble
57:34
understanding this. Yeah.
57:35
Adam Curry: But this is meant to obfuscate and to confuse people.
57:39
Don't listen to this. People don't listen to this part, you
57:42
don't need to know about the chevron rights thing. What isn't
57:45
that important? Don't just get rid of the black guy. So
57:48
Unknown: there are just scads of federal laws that delegate power
57:52
to a federal agency, you know, everything from like how much
57:55
emissions come from power plants to what your cable rates are to
57:59
who gets overtime pay is controlled by federal agencies.
58:03
Chevron was a case from the Reagan era, which said that
58:06
courts should generally let agencies do what they need to do
58:09
and defer to them. What the court is likely to do here is
58:12
essentially give itself a veto power over everything the
58:15
agencies do. So it's not just a transfer of power. And it's a
58:20
huge transfer of power from the Democratic Biden administration
58:24
to a Supreme Court as a six to three Republican majority. And
58:27
with that have, to your point about, you know, regulating
58:31
antibiotics that would give them purview over the FDA. Right,
58:36
Brian Shirley. Right, it is different. The FDA has its own
58:39
statute, which is different than the regulatory regime that
58:43
concerns Chevron. But what we've seen from the Supreme Court
58:46
overall, they've been making up all these things with names like
58:49
the major questions doctrine that they've made up, yeah, that
58:52
lets them interfere with agencies. So like, this court
58:56
wants to have the last word on a lot of things. Okay,
58:58
Adam Curry: so they've made it all about, oh, if Trump comes
59:00
in, then you won't be able to get your abortion drug. That's
59:03
literally,
59:05
John C Dvorak: I gotta get out of the way here. It's not so the
59:08
courts can do to say, Oh, we don't like what you're doing.
59:11
And you see, we got six conservatives, we're going to
59:14
change. This is to throw it back to the word belongs the
59:17
lawmaking supposed to take place by the legislative branch, not
59:22
the courts, not the executive, which is the administrative
59:25
state. It's supposed to be the legislative branch. And what
59:28
this Chevron deference cases supposed to do is kick it back
59:33
and make it so the legislature takes a little more
59:35
responsibility for all these crazy rules that these guys
59:38
dream up because they hate global warming, or whatever. And
59:43
so this is a very, this is a very, I would say, dishonest
59:48
report that you're listening to. Interestingly,
59:51
Adam Curry: Katie Fang from MSNBC had little problem
59:54
explaining it in 37 seconds. Chevron
59:57
Unknown: deference is a 40 year old precedent. more federal
1:00:00
judges grant federal agencies latitude on how to interpret
1:00:04
legislative statutes. Judges are supposed to follow a two part
1:00:09
process, one, examine the congressional language. And if
1:00:13
the intent is clear, the matter is settled. But two, if the
1:00:17
language is ambiguous, and the ruling court must defer to that
1:00:21
agency on how the law should be implemented, essentially, ask
1:00:26
the experts and without the Chevron deference doctrine in
1:00:30
place, everything and I mean, everything in your life could be
1:00:33
affected.
1:00:34
Adam Curry: And now the kicker, so everyone's going after
1:00:39
Clarence Thomas, the real problem guy is Gorsuch. This is
1:00:45
a clip from his confirmation hearing, where he discusses this
1:00:51
quite clearly, section 706
1:00:53
Unknown: of the Administrative Procedures Act says basically
1:00:57
two things and I'm paraphrasing. It says the courts are supposed
1:01:01
to defer to the factual findings of agencies. So the extent
1:01:06
you're talking about expert biologists, chemists, whatever
1:01:12
manner of regulatory expertise we're talking about there. The
1:01:18
courts are to defer to that. And to take that seriously. And we
1:01:23
do, just as we would save the factual finding of a jury, or a
1:01:28
district court judge, that comes to us with a presumption of
1:01:31
correctness, clear error, standard review, very hard to
1:01:35
meet. Section 706, however, also goes on to say that when it
1:01:39
comes to questions of law, the courts are to interpret the law.
1:01:45
Despite that command from this body. The courts have created a
1:01:53
doctrine that says that if there's any ambiguity in the
1:01:58
law, the agency gets to make the decision about what the law
1:02:03
means. And I have questions about that. That doctrine, I've
1:02:09
raised questions about whether that's compatible with the plain
1:02:12
language of section 706.
1:02:14
Adam Curry: I'd say crosshairs on Gorsuch next, they got to do
1:02:18
he
1:02:18
John C Dvorak: had already a target. Now, the thing that
1:02:21
people need to be reminded of is before I think it was 84, when
1:02:24
the Chevron deference became a became the root the law of the
1:02:29
land, kind of you want to call it that, or the law of the land
1:02:32
and lawless. What had what was going on before 1984. This
1:02:37
administrative the administrative state was still
1:02:40
there, but it wasn't running roughshod over the US public,
1:02:45
which is doing now by Oh, you have to have all electric cars,
1:02:48
or else that's only recent. I mean, before 1984 there was I
1:02:53
was working in a administrative agency for free for years. And
1:02:58
it was before 1984. And they had all their kangaroo court they
1:03:02
did the whole thing is pretty much the same. Except it wasn't
1:03:04
riding roughshod over the public like it's been doing since night
1:03:09
since the Chevron deference came into being and it took them a
1:03:12
while to figure it out. But these bureaucrats it took them a
1:03:15
while. But they said once they figured out, hey, you know, we
1:03:17
can do what we want, which is Dream stuff up who do this and
1:03:22
that it will base it on whatever, it doesn't make any
1:03:24
difference because we have we run the shop. And so this is
1:03:27
what's happened in this has to be reversed.
1:03:30
Adam Curry: And it appears that people in the know actually
1:03:33
understand this is what it's about. It's not even about
1:03:35
Trump,
1:03:37
John C Dvorak: but hardly about Trump now. But that's the joke
1:03:40
of it. You bring Trump and then Trump doesn't even I doubt Trump
1:03:43
even has a clue about any of this. To be honest about it. I
1:03:47
don't know he might do it. Anyone who put who put that day,
1:03:53
John Bolton in his cabinet or in his fear of influence? No shit.
1:03:59
Well,
1:04:00
Adam Curry: I watched you know, I watched last night, the the
1:04:04
two hour interview of Tucker with Thomas Massie. Have you
1:04:09
seen this by any chance?
1:04:11
John C Dvorak: No, I have not and probably never will. It is
1:04:14
required
1:04:15
Adam Curry: watching this guy is. He's funny. He's very smart.
1:04:21
I didn't know that he had he has 30 patents on virtual reality,
1:04:25
3d objects that I think he sold to a lot of Silicon Valley
1:04:29
companies. You know, this hillbilly, who created this.
1:04:33
This is a very interesting guy. And he even talks about how the
1:04:38
bid during COVID He jumped in his car and drove eight hours to
1:04:42
show up for the vote for the Cares Act to stop at the to $2
1:04:45
trillion because he's like, No, this is this is not by unanimous
1:04:50
consent. And of course the rules are if one shows up, then that's
1:04:53
not unanimous consent. And Trump was calling him like, you know,
1:04:57
good and he just great impressions of Trump and Have
1:05:00
McConnell? I mean, he's just out and out. John, you will love
1:05:04
this interview. You will go watch it then. And I pulled a
1:05:08
couple clips for you. The first one answers a very kind of
1:05:12
answers a very important question we have about Mike
1:05:15
Johnson. Why all of a sudden did Mike Johnson spin around 180
1:05:20
degrees and fold on all this military aid and the what's the,
1:05:27
you know, grab brushes money and ban tick tock. We've been asking
1:05:31
ourselves this question. For months,
1:05:33
John C Dvorak: we had one answer to the thesis that he did it to
1:05:37
stay in office.
1:05:39
Adam Curry: Well, here's Massey's answer. Well, one of
1:05:41
the things
1:05:42
Unknown: he claims which I don't believe is true, and I have
1:05:45
reason to say this, is that he says he went in the skiff, like
1:05:50
he's had some 180 degree turns on some things like for
1:05:53
instance, whether you need a warrant to spy on Americans
1:05:56
using the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act 702 program.
1:05:59
Well, he used to be on Judiciary Committee, with me and Jim
1:06:02
Jordan, trying to reform that trying to get so he understood
1:06:06
what it was he knew completely what we were talking about. He's
1:06:08
an attorney to write and he knows the Constitution. He knows
1:06:12
this is required, but he claims he spent time in a skiff and he
1:06:16
learned a skiff that's secure, compartmentalized Information
1:06:20
Facility or something is where we go we have to leave our
1:06:23
phones locked up, you know, no staff in there. He claims he
1:06:27
spent time in skiff and learn things that changed his mind.
1:06:30
Here's the problem. Tucker, I was in the skiff with him. We
1:06:35
had we had DNI not just the the current DNI but the former DNI,
1:06:41
John Radcliffe Trump's DNI. We had CIA. We had FBI. We even had
1:06:48
a FISA judge in there. And we spent three and a half hours it
1:06:51
was a four hour meeting and after three and a half hour is
1:06:54
basically a psyop where they're just trying to beat you down and
1:06:58
do the things. And I was like, This is ridiculous. You get you
1:07:02
haven't given they didn't give us one example of anytime ever
1:07:07
since FISA was created, that getting a warrant would have
1:07:10
kept them from solving or preventing an act of terrorism.
1:07:14
They gave hypotheticals, but they had no specific
1:07:16
and I think FEIS has been in place since 1978. Since the 70s.
1:07:20
Right?
1:07:21
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Yeah, I forgot to mention this was about
1:07:23
FISA. So they sigh opt him. There's a little gotcha in there
1:07:29
because he says it was a four hour meeting. And he was in
1:07:32
there with him for three and a half hours. I'm thinking that
1:07:36
last half hours when they said, Hey, Mike, look at this picture.
1:07:42
That's what I think. But then Tucker does ask for what he
1:07:46
thinks the truth is. So what is the truth? What
1:07:48
Unknown: do you think changed?
1:07:52
I think he's kind of a lost ball and tall weeds. They think he's
1:07:56
in a position of power. He never imagined he would get to at this
1:08:00
point in his life. He's not done anything in private practice or
1:08:03
political arena. This prepared him for this. He took the job
1:08:08
with a very small staff. He didn't have people to put in all
1:08:13
positions on the field. And he had to accept a lot of
1:08:18
suggestions in areas he didn't know a whole lot about, although
1:08:21
he gets no pass on FISA. Yes, he gets no pass on Ukraine. Because
1:08:27
he does, as you pointed out, he doesn't even know how many
1:08:29
casualties have been incurred on the Ukrainian side. If you need
1:08:34
He's the second person in line for president after Kamala
1:08:37
Harris. This is This is scary to me. He's He's basically getting
1:08:42
moved around.
1:08:44
Adam Curry: And he was very clear that he was all in with
1:08:47
Marjorie. He doesn't say Marjorie Taylor Greene just
1:08:49
calls her Marge says, I'm all in with March, we're gonna get rid
1:08:52
of him. We don't want him back as Speaker of the House. Now,
1:08:56
there was a clip that went viral from this interview, then when
1:09:00
you hear the viral clip, you'll understand why, because there's
1:09:03
a lot of people who've been waiting for proof proof that
1:09:07
Israel runs our Congress.
1:09:09
Unknown: Well, I have Republicans who come to me on
1:09:11
the floor and say, I wish I could vote with you today. Yours
1:09:16
is the right vote. But I would just take too much flack back
1:09:19
home. And I have Republicans who come to me and say that's wrong.
1:09:25
What AIPAC is doing to you. Let me talk to my AIPAC person. By
1:09:29
the way, everybody by me has an APEC person like I mean, an APEC
1:09:33
person. He's like your babysitter, your APEC
1:09:36
babysitter, who is always talking to you for a pack,
1:09:40
they're probably a constituent in your district. But they are
1:09:44
you know, firmly embedded in a pack and every member has
1:09:49
something like this. Every I don't know how it works on the
1:09:52
Democrat side. But that's how it works on the Republican side.
1:09:57
And when they when they come to DC you go have a lunch with
1:10:00
them. And they've got your cell number. And you have
1:10:03
conversations with them. So I've had like, that's absolutely
1:10:08
crazy. I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my
1:10:11
APEC person. And if you watch, we call them my bad guy. I'll
1:10:17
talk to my APEC guy and see if I can get him to, you know, dial
1:10:20
those ads back.
1:10:21
Why have I never heard this before? It
1:10:24
doesn't benefit anybody. Why would they want to tell their
1:10:27
constituents that they've basically got a buddy system
1:10:31
with somebody who's representing a foreign country? It doesn't
1:10:36
benefit the congressman for people to know that so they're
1:10:38
not going to tell you that.
1:10:40
Adam Curry: So this of course, this went viral because now
1:10:43
everyone can say you see the Jews run it. They run
1:10:46
everything. Israel runs America. They've got guys, they've got
1:10:49
babysitters. It's, it's it's proof. It's proof.
1:10:53
Unfortunately, it's taken out of context, because when you watch
1:10:57
this interview, he explains very clearly what's going on. But
1:11:01
first, a disclaimer and kind of an understanding of AIPAC, of
1:11:04
course, the American Israeli what is it? What is the
1:11:08
political action committee? No, no, no, no, they have a
1:11:11
political it's No, it's not. That's what AIPAC is. No, no,
1:11:14
they they didn't have one years ago. AIPAC. The original AIPAC
1:11:20
is the American but Israeli public affairs committee.
1:11:26
John C Dvorak: Okay. And get there's a little issue here
1:11:29
there. I want to bring up because you saw this interview I
1:11:31
didn't, which is that if there's an AIPAC contact with your cell
1:11:36
phone number, did John Tucker bring up the Orsay? Is there a
1:11:41
guy from the petroleum industry that
1:11:45
Adam Curry: he did, actually, it was very funny, I didn't clip
1:11:48
it. He said, Hey, do you have a Germany guy? Do you have an
1:11:52
alien guy? No, no, he does. Isn't that only only AIPAC. But
1:11:58
he says it's very, I think I have the clip is very similar.
1:12:02
It's very similar to the NRA who are all about guns. Oh, you'll
1:12:05
get to it. But first, the real problem, because AIPAC, as we've
1:12:09
discussed, is funded by the AI F, which is the American Israel
1:12:16
Education Foundation. And its donors are Lockheed Martin,
1:12:20
north of Grumman and General Atomics amongst others. So
1:12:23
here's Massey saying, This is why he doesn't want to deal with
1:12:26
with any any of these guys, because this is who he is.
1:12:29
Unknown: I'm not against Israel. I've never voted to sanction
1:12:33
Israel. I've never said anything, particularly, you
1:12:36
know, critical of Israel, you know, other than, for instance,
1:12:41
right now, they're bombing, they've killed 1% of the
1:12:43
civilian population in Gaza. That's concerning to me. But so
1:12:48
what do they do now?
1:12:50
You get elected 2012.
1:12:52
Do you hear from them again? I vote my conscience, which they
1:12:58
won't tolerate. So they ran with their 501 C four, before they
1:13:02
had a super PAC, they they were running educational advocacy ads
1:13:08
against me saying that, you know, I'm bad on Israel. They
1:13:10
didn't say don't vote for him. They just said he's, he's a bad
1:13:13
guy. And so I said, All right, well, you're not welcome in my
1:13:17
office anymore. Because for years, I invited him into my
1:13:20
office. Let's talk this through. Let me explain to you, I'm a
1:13:23
libertarian leaning Republican, I'm gonna vote for foreign aid
1:13:26
for anybody. So don't be offended when I don't vote for
1:13:30
your foreign aid. I don't vote for wars anywhere. So don't be
1:13:33
offended if I tell you that I'm for free speech, even if it's
1:13:37
abhorrent. And yeah, we used to talk but now they're banned from
1:13:40
my office. The situation from bad to worse, this election
1:13:45
cycle, they spent $400,000 against me. So
1:13:49
Adam Curry: the point he's making is that they basically
1:13:52
call him an anti Semite and a Jew hater for not wanting to
1:13:55
talk to them. But here's the real reason why. Now, to
1:13:59
Unknown: your point, they should be registered with Faraj, this
1:14:02
is what Faraj is, is where there's gray area, where it's an
1:14:05
American representing a foreign country. Let's let's look and
1:14:09
see if you're getting any money from that foreign country. Are
1:14:12
you a dual citizen with that foreign country? Are you being
1:14:16
directed by for instance, is Netanyahu speaking to your group
1:14:20
advising you on your next move? Those are you getting money from
1:14:24
the military industrial complex? Like because to understand
1:14:28
AIPAC? I think it's easiest to model them as a military
1:14:34
industrial lobby. Like their biggest thing is they want more
1:14:39
equipment, more military equipment from the United States
1:14:43
going to Israel. In fact, when they used to be allowed in my
1:14:47
office, the thing that the argument that would make is, oh,
1:14:50
we're just stimulating the US military industrial complex,
1:14:55
because every single penny of the 3.8 billion that they
1:14:59
nominally Get it now they're getting way more than that. But
1:15:02
Israel normally gets goes to US military contractors.
1:15:07
Adam Curry: And this is what we heard over and over again. So
1:15:10
now you can point out the people who got a call from their AIPAC
1:15:13
guy. Hey, man, make sure everyone needs to know this is
1:15:16
about our defense industrial base. Of course, Israel. 3.8
1:15:21
billion is nothing. But this is where AIPAC shines.
1:15:24
Unknown: Now, that didn't make me warm and fuzzy. Okay. But
1:15:27
that is their argument. And if you notice what they advocate
1:15:30
for, I think sometimes they advocate for things that even
1:15:34
Israelis wouldn't advocate for. I believe that, like they would,
1:15:38
I think be okay with a war with Iran, like all out, you know,
1:15:41
apocalyptic war with Iran, whereas there are people in
1:15:44
Israel say, Whoa, hold on a second. We we'd rather not have
1:15:48
a war with Iran. But AIPAC does things that lead us in that
1:15:51
direction. And so they're kind of like, what the NRA is to gun
1:15:56
owners, AIPAC is to Israel, or what the Farm Bureau is to
1:16:00
farmers, AIPAC is to Israel in other presents a faction right.
1:16:04
They represent a faction, but usually a corporate faction,
1:16:08
that and they're using the imprimatur of grassroots that
1:16:13
they've diluted or confused into bullying congressman,
1:16:17
Adam Curry: so the way I see it is actually the exact opposite
1:16:21
the real money, which is in case anyone missed it, $900 billion a
1:16:26
year or this most recent year, more than that. Now, a trillion
1:16:29
cool trillion total, since we added some extra money. It's the
1:16:33
opposite. The defense industrial base is abusing the Jews and the
1:16:38
playing the Jew card, to force people into signing off on
1:16:44
weaponry, especially if it's against Iran. Hello, Lindsey
1:16:48
Graham. And it's worse because then you take the Christians who
1:16:51
are like, Oh, Jews, the chosen people, let's get them in on the
1:16:54
deal, too.
1:16:56
Unknown: They didn't have a political action committee at
1:16:59
the time, they couldn't spend hundreds of 1000s or millions of
1:17:02
dollars against me at that time. It was just sort of like a
1:17:05
whisper campaign to try to Hey, don't vote for him, blah, blah
1:17:09
blahs. Why? Because at that point, they sensed I wouldn't do
1:17:13
what they want. And what did
1:17:15
they whisper against you? What
1:17:16
were they saying about you? Well, they would do it through
1:17:19
for instance, churches, evangelical churches, they've
1:17:22
got an organization called Christians United for Israel,
1:17:26
really sort of CO opted evangelicals. People think it's
1:17:30
a grassroots movement in Kentucky. It's actually a top
1:17:33
down movement from AIPAC so that people who aren't even Jewish
1:17:37
will feel like they've got to support Israel, you know, no
1:17:41
matter what. And even if it's a secular state that funds
1:17:45
abortions, they just sort of forget that part. And we've got
1:17:48
to fund Israel. So they have networks. So it's more than just
1:17:52
about the money.
1:17:54
Adam Curry: And then just one bonus clip, which is, which just
1:17:59
completes the whole circle about Afghanistan and Russia and
1:18:03
Ukraine and Israel.
1:18:05
Unknown: Why are we in a war with Russia? I've never figured
1:18:07
that out. Why Russia? It almost seems like they picked it off.
1:18:10
Like, why would we be at war with Russia?
1:18:12
No. What's interesting is we were in Afghanistan. And I was
1:18:14
tracking this, I talked to the Special Inspector General, John
1:18:18
Sopko, about twice a year about the money that was being wasted
1:18:22
in Afghanistan, it was about $50 billion a year. And it was glad
1:18:26
to see us get out of Afghanistan, but kind of like
1:18:29
feathering the clutch and shifting gears, we just went
1:18:32
from second gear to third gear, because as soon as we quit
1:18:34
spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, we started spending
1:18:38
more than $50 billion a year in Ukraine. There's a military
1:18:42
industrial complex, they call it the defense industrial base. Now
1:18:45
in the United States, they say we have to, they're hungry, and
1:18:48
we got to keep them fed. And since we don't have any of our
1:18:50
own wars, and we don't have a reason to deplete our stocks,
1:18:53
and our bombs, and weapons that we have, we engage in these
1:18:57
other things to keep them healthy and thriving. In fact,
1:19:00
the Biden administration even made that argument in a letter
1:19:03
to Congress for why we should do this supplemental foreign aid to
1:19:08
Israel to Ukraine to Taiwan, they made the argument that the
1:19:13
defense industrial base needs to be strong. And so we need to
1:19:16
spend this money and they gave a list of all the states in the
1:19:19
United States that would benefit from this spending. And that's
1:19:22
why they said we should do it.
1:19:24
Adam Curry: And that's what Trump does. That's exactly what
1:19:27
Trump was doing. That's the only manufacturing we have the and
1:19:31
Trump if I think Trump will come in the he's going to figure out
1:19:35
a way to get more money into defense, but eventually, I mean,
1:19:39
do we just start more wars in Africa or I mean, you have to
1:19:43
deplete the stuff to create more.
1:19:47
John C Dvorak: But that Africa is a good target. Yeah, we
1:19:49
didn't notice this.
1:19:51
Adam Curry: Exactly. But then unfortunately, we'll have to
1:19:53
play African news which will kill the show.
1:19:56
John C Dvorak: No, we're not gonna play African news. That's
1:19:58
the idea. They're not going to play Africa. The news so we can
1:20:00
waste money down there and they want to kill the show. I thought
1:20:03
did Trump coming in and maybe auditing the Defense Department
1:20:08
and see what, who's ripping us off? We're spending too much
1:20:12
money for what we're getting for the bang for the buck. I don't
1:20:14
care about throwing, wasting bombs and all the rest of it
1:20:17
seems to me that there's some, there's some hidden money here.
1:20:20
It's like black energy.
1:20:22
Adam Curry: He's never even hinted at doing that. I mean,
1:20:27
the only thing I could think of is Trump would come in and say,
1:20:30
All right, you guys are all wasteful. And we have enough
1:20:34
weaponry now. Boeing Why don't you stop doing that dumb stuff
1:20:38
with your, your strike fighter, your joint fighter? Yeah. Why
1:20:42
don't you build a real plane? One that I can fly in. And then
1:20:46
you know, all these other companies once you start
1:20:49
building good cars that people want, I mean, that could be
1:20:52
something
1:20:54
John C Dvorak: that'll be the day instead of
1:20:57
Adam Curry: instead of tanks build this car. I
1:20:59
John C Dvorak: mean, the trans trend because it medical
1:21:02
associated medical operations go well, yeah, hell with that
1:21:05
money.
1:21:07
Adam Curry: Well, anyway, I like maths
1:21:10
John C Dvorak: sounds a good yeah, we sounds a good guy.
1:21:13
Adam Curry: Yeah. He's, he built his own house, himself with wood
1:21:17
he collected on his land.
1:21:21
John C Dvorak: I know that type
1:21:22
Adam Curry: the guy. The guy's funny, he said, and he got a
1:21:24
Tesla battery to power it. And he says it was crazy. I bought
1:21:28
this Tesla battery and I had to get special permission to
1:21:30
transport it because it's considered a hazardous material.
1:21:34
John C Dvorak: It is totally yet that strapped lithium bomb
1:21:37
strapped onto
1:21:38
Adam Curry: your car. The guy's funny. He's funny. Okay,
1:21:42
John C Dvorak: we will definitely listen to him. Yes.
1:21:45
Yes. He's under a lot. He is under attack. Oh, he's part of
1:21:48
the Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah, this Cabal, very small
1:21:52
group is only maybe five or six people. Yeah.
1:21:56
Adam Curry: Well, he definitely is, I think a no agenda type
1:22:00
guy. When you hear what he's how he talks like, Yeah, makes a lot
1:22:03
of sense.
1:22:05
John C Dvorak: Well, now I can do a whole series of clips from
1:22:08
Peter McCullough. Yes. Which is a lot of subs because he was on
1:22:14
a show called The courageous discourse.
1:22:17
Adam Curry: Is this a podcast? Yeah. Oh, excellent.
1:22:22
John C Dvorak: He's on a podcast. And I just found this
1:22:26
to be the series of very alt. He names names, who's doing the bio
1:22:31
weapon development. He's Excellent.
1:22:35
Adam Curry: This is why there's two of us, John, I'm watching
1:22:38
Massey, you're watching makalah. We come together on Sunday, Bada
1:22:41
bing, bada boom, what a show we got.
1:22:45
John C Dvorak: He names names, he points the finger. He's very
1:22:49
funny. He likes to laugh about stuff. And he is so
1:22:53
knowledgeable. It's like listening to him. You know, you
1:22:57
know, that guy's on top. And it's just amazing to me that
1:23:00
he's not like, you know, the surgeon general or so he's he's
1:23:04
just pushed a little bit pushed. You Can't a guy like this is so
1:23:08
powerful and is the intellectual pursuits that you can't kick him
1:23:12
to the curb. And he'll just keep cropping up here and there. And
1:23:15
this is one of the best examples I think. And it's about stuff
1:23:18
that you haven't heard and it shouldn't. It should enrage the
1:23:22
public this some of this is going on but let's go with
1:23:25
Macola on courageous A's on the podcast courageous discourse is
1:23:29
number one.
1:23:30
Unknown: I want to have you on particularly to talk about this
1:23:33
disease X you know,
1:23:35
your disease access, not Twitter disease. X is a theoretical
1:23:40
disease that that people in this biopharmaceutical complex have
1:23:45
been writing about for years, including Peter desiccate, the
1:23:49
equal Health Alliance has been writing I said Can't wait for
1:23:52
disease X. It's going to infect mankind, it's going to have a
1:23:57
high kill rate. So we're seeing 20 times that of COVID. The
1:24:02
global vaccine Alliance disease x is going to be bird flu. And I
1:24:07
think they were right.
1:24:10
Adam Curry: You're in my backyard Dvorak.
1:24:13
John C Dvorak: Yep. I tell you, you get you get a kick out of
1:24:16
these clip. I
1:24:16
Adam Curry: have my you have my attention for sure. Because go
1:24:19
John C Dvorak: to two, they've been
1:24:21
Unknown: talking about bird flu for years. I remember back
1:24:23
during the Obama administration, they would have these bird flu,
1:24:27
sere campaigns in the media and nothing ever really came of it.
1:24:30
What is going on with bird flu, has a lab finally hit the
1:24:34
jackpot in terms of making it very contagious for humans? Is
1:24:38
that what we're talking about here?
1:24:39
There has been gain of function research on bird flu for decades
1:24:43
now researchers have been working on this to doctors Dr.
1:24:49
Merrick how that university was constant Dr. Ron foo che at
1:24:54
Rotterdam, the Netherlands. They've been trying to make this
1:24:57
virus jump from human inhuman for a decade or more, it's
1:25:03
nothing's been in the open more than this bird flu infects
1:25:07
chickens largely, sometimes cat all the Chinese started
1:25:10
vaccinating for this back in the 90s. It's made it way worse. So
1:25:16
now the birds spread it around even more. The main method of
1:25:20
handling it is kill all the birds when one bird gets a bird
1:25:23
flu kill the whole poultry flock, I think that's been a
1:25:26
disaster, they're going to have to let the birds get some
1:25:29
natural immunity. We're talking about highly pathogenic h five
1:25:34
and one avian influenza, also known as bird flu, about 800 to
1:25:39
900 human cases when it spreads from the animal to the worker.
1:25:43
And historically, there's had a 52.7% mortality rate, largely
1:25:50
because of people lots of handling the birds Southeast
1:25:53
Asia, no medical care presenting late. The most recent outbreak,
1:25:57
we've had three human cases in the United States, two of them
1:26:02
were pinkeye, one with some respiratory symptoms all easily
1:26:06
treated. So I don't think bird flu is going to be much of a
1:26:09
human threat unless it starts spreading human to human and if
1:26:12
it does, believe me, we're gonna kneel the gain of function guys
1:26:15
who've been working on this. And the southeastern poultry
1:26:19
Research Center in Athens, Georgia, we think that's where
1:26:22
the most recent strain came out of does.
1:26:25
Adam Curry: Dr. McCall at any point mentioned that the birds
1:26:28
aren't real
1:26:32
Unknown: word you know what they were doing? They were doing
1:26:35
experiments in mallard ducks, migratory waterfowl, what a
1:26:39
mistake. One of those guys gets out. They fly everywhere. You
1:26:43
know, the media has not been asking the question, why did it
1:26:46
spread from Texas to to Iowa to Michigan managers happened
1:26:51
magic? They didn't ask the question. They just think it
1:26:53
spontaneously arising. No, it's been spread by the ducks that
1:26:58
are flying all over.
1:26:59
Wow. And do we have any recourse to stop this or sue this lab for
1:27:05
spreading a migratory bird with a novel disease? All
1:27:10
these experts are saying we have to get ahead of nature. That's
1:27:13
what disease X researchers that we have to get ahead of nature.
1:27:16
We have to make it invade humankind and then come up with
1:27:20
vaccines. So disease X vaccines, the Coalition for epidemic
1:27:25
preparedness innovation as the Global Center founded by Gates
1:27:29
Foundation World Economic Forum gave an entire over 100 page
1:27:33
white paper on disease X. It said the whole reason to study
1:27:35
disease X is to have a disease X vaccine. Sure enough with bird
1:27:39
flu CSLs Aquarius biotech company has the Odense vaccine,
1:27:46
it was FDA licensed in 2021. With no human data, ready to go
1:27:53
for bird flu, they developed it with BARDA, a research unit of
1:27:57
the military 2021. And now the US has purchased, you know,
1:28:02
enough doses for millions of administration's why would the
1:28:05
US military be developing a bird flu vaccine? And why in 2021?
1:28:11
Now, news was out this week that you know, Pfizer Maderna are
1:28:14
talking to the federal government about messenger RNA
1:28:17
vaccines. CSL has a self replicating messenger RNA
1:28:21
vaccine and development Cepi with the Koreans have a self
1:28:25
replicating messenger RNA vaccine. So
1:28:28
Adam Curry: coming back to our boots on the ground. I mean, the
1:28:32
testing industrial complex must just be salivating to by the
1:28:38
way, you know how you test for bird flu? I came across this
1:28:42
last night via what the test is. You swab your eye?
1:28:46
Unknown: Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:28:49
Adam Curry: If your nose wasn't bad enough, where they jammed it
1:28:52
into your brain now they're going to put a cotton swab in
1:28:54
your eye to see if you have bird flu. And we need to remind newer
1:28:58
listeners, Peter McCullough is highly decorated. But this is a
1:29:02
they can't use undie platform bubble now they're just not
1:29:05
putting them on mainstream news anymore. But they can't get rid
1:29:08
of him because he has so many podcasters say a big
1:29:12
John C Dvorak: threat that's what it was what the clip we had
1:29:14
recently where they claim that podcasters were like the big
1:29:17
threat Yes. Again clearly schemes yes
1:29:20
Adam Curry: clearly clearly we the podcasters are the problem
1:29:24
problematic podcasters
1:29:28
John C Dvorak: Yes, again, because one of those guys enjoys
1:29:30
talking that he does, but it's like he has so much at the tip
1:29:34
he's not using any notes at all he never looks down and he just
1:29:39
off the top of his head has every all the stats and the
1:29:41
right to the number the right to the point something and he just
1:29:45
goes on and on with this. He's great. This is part four.
1:29:48
Unknown: I gotta tell you that bird flu is disease x because
1:29:51
people have an aspiration of mass vaccinating the world again
1:29:57
COVID Wasn't enough now it's game on disease X bird flu, I
1:30:02
Adam Curry: know how disease X spreads, it spreads to the
1:30:05
internet.
1:30:07
Unknown: So is this going to be potentially more lethal than
1:30:10
COVID? Or what? What is your thoughts on this?
1:30:14
So far? You know, it's early, but the cases appear mild, it
1:30:17
looks like this strain and what we're tracking is h five n one
1:30:21
clade two point 3.44. B, we actually got it down to the
1:30:27
clade n and the mutation that came out of the Athens Georgia
1:30:31
lab. This one luckily so far appears to be very benign
1:30:35
pinkeye and something easily treated with the you know,
1:30:39
iodine nasal sprays and gargles. Also, Tim Avira, Tamiflu
1:30:43
hydroxychloroquine, it's all gonna cover it easily. So it
1:30:46
doesn't appear to be very dangerous to humans. The reason
1:30:48
why it's dangerous to animals is because they are incinerating
1:30:52
all the animals instead of letting them get through it.
1:30:55
Yeah, this is a mild version. I think we ought to have some
1:30:58
observational studies to just see what is the mortality rate
1:31:02
in birds we can't destroy every last chicken, because the
1:31:08
mallard ducks are going to continue to spread it around
1:31:11
Adam Curry: it all. I love that. The only danger to chickens is
1:31:14
they're gonna get incinerated. Man, it all fits together with
1:31:21
the culture of lab chicken meat and everything. It all kind of
1:31:24
fits together though, doesn't it? It's a nice little puzzle
1:31:27
they built here. And it's always pretty well they benefit
1:31:31
John C Dvorak: mallard duck thing he's really on that he
1:31:33
just thinks is horrible that they would effect a duck. I
1:31:38
mean,
1:31:38
Adam Curry: this even affects reality TV shows what will Duck
1:31:41
Dynasty do? They'll be out of business?
1:31:45
John C Dvorak: I think they'd been out of business. Now.
1:31:47
They're
1:31:47
Adam Curry: pretty popular. My man. pretty popular.
1:31:51
John C Dvorak: I onward. Next I think is we're under what four
1:31:54
by five? Five?
1:31:55
Adam Curry: Yeah. What about
1:31:55
Unknown: the I've heard of the news, they've been saying that.
1:31:58
They're concerned about the virus being spread by the raw
1:32:03
milk drinkers. The Count of people that are drinking raw
1:32:06
milk unpasteurized from cows are the ones that are going to
1:32:10
spread the bird flu. How does that narrative get started? And
1:32:13
what's coming on? What's going on with that? Yeah, I
1:32:16
doubt it. Most of it is going to be through respiratory or
1:32:19
touching the cases of conjunctivitis, invariably, the
1:32:22
workers handle the animals and they touch their eyes. There's
1:32:26
been a few tests of products in the store where they find some
1:32:32
viral particles. And again, they're doing PCR testing. So
1:32:34
we're talking about grossly inflated positive tests that are
1:32:38
false positive tests, but even what they found is not active in
1:32:42
the grocery store. Now they're kind of zeroing in on who drinks
1:32:46
raw milk. I doubt that that's going to be a route of spread it
1:32:50
largely it has to be airborne and come in through the nose and
1:32:54
mouth a
1:32:55
Adam Curry: couple of articles to backup this disease X hype
1:32:58
CNN with bird flu infecting dairy cattle FDA is now asking
1:33:03
states to curb sales of raw milk. From right here in the
1:33:08
backyard bird flu detected in Austin wastewater who hair on
1:33:13
fire has blue blue hair on fire and stats sta T that's the
1:33:19
medical shill publication that we've discussed in the past they
1:33:23
basically take money to write articles. Allegedly, here's the
1:33:29
title how co2 helps viruses stay alive longer in the air. So the
1:33:35
guy
1:33:35
John C Dvorak: saw that article that says hilarious so I was
1:33:37
gonna put a newsletter actually, we really Larry, we really
1:33:41
Adam Curry: got everything we need. I mean, we've got the
1:33:43
climate change. We've got the we've got the vegans we've got
1:33:48
the lab meat, we've got the vaccine industry we've got the
1:33:53
testing industrial complex, I mean it really is perfect.
1:33:58
John C Dvorak: We have a guy another tester out there that
1:34:01
does the wastewater stuff and he says you his bull crap. Bull
1:34:06
crap says you centrifuge everything until you say there's
1:34:10
no really you just keep reducing and reducing reducing and then
1:34:15
you can test that and there's always going to be you can fight
1:34:17
anything you want. The only in
1:34:20
Adam Curry: there the only problem in fact, the only person
1:34:24
who doesn't benefit from the scam is Mimi. I mean too many
1:34:28
eggs.com is just it's going to be a problem when there's no way
1:34:31
that she could well no she can write a follow up not enough
1:34:34
eggs, no eggs. No eggs.com
1:34:39
Unknown: six so what is being done if anything just trying to
1:34:42
stop her hold these people accountable. It seems like the
1:34:45
only politician you hear about who still does these ongoing
1:34:51
about this matter and try to hold people accountable is
1:34:54
Senator Rand Paul. I know there's a few others too but
1:34:57
from your you're very much involved. of this fight for
1:35:03
transparency and accountability. What are you hearing in terms
1:35:06
of? Is there going to be any accountability for the folks
1:35:09
like Peter de Zack and Fauci regarding this gain of function
1:35:13
research that they've lied about? It's
1:35:15
been slow progress, but credit to Brad wenstrup Marjorie
1:35:19
Taylor, green chip Roy and others in the house, they
1:35:22
they've been plodding through this. They got to the point
1:35:25
where Datsik clearly is one of the CO conspirators and one of
1:35:29
the creators of SARS cov Tussaud's Anthony Fauci, Ralph
1:35:33
Berek at UNC Chapel Hill and Dr. shingling. Lee in China, for
1:35:37
people who created COVID that got us sick. Fauci was
1:35:41
pretending the whole time that he he was responding to this yet
1:35:44
he knew it was, he was part of the creation of this, and it was
1:35:48
all covered up. By the way, that's the interesting that
1:35:51
emails show the cover up. The recently had David morons in who
1:35:55
is Fauci, he's assistant, and they were using personal email
1:35:59
accounts, you know, changing characters and letters to try to
1:36:02
throw off the FOIA requests. I mean, these guys knew what they
1:36:06
were doing was wrong. Me. They created a virus, they got the
1:36:09
whole world sick, and then they tried different vaccines on us.
1:36:12
So
1:36:13
Adam Curry: Oh, makalah. Man, what is he doing as a guest on
1:36:15
podcast? He needs his own podcast.
1:36:20
John C Dvorak: With his family, he's got a foundation, which is
1:36:22
doing a lot of work.
1:36:23
Adam Curry: Needs a better mic is what he needs.
1:36:27
John C Dvorak: Yes, yeah, he does. Well, he needs a
1:36:29
Adam Curry: better rig, he needed to rig in his rig,
1:36:32
something he needs to be give me a call Dr. McCall, I'll send you
1:36:35
a rig. This is embarrassing.
1:36:38
John C Dvorak: So this anyway, this interview went on for
1:36:40
almost an hour and a half.
1:36:42
Adam Curry: I mean, the seven clips is a lot even for you.
1:36:45
John C Dvorak: And you're very I usually cut it I and so I kind
1:36:48
of moved into one little spot. I wanted to just get this little
1:36:51
last bit in there. And the rest of it, people can go to the
1:36:54
discourse, podcast and listen to the whole thing. If they want
1:36:58
to. I should send you the link to the for the show notes. The
1:37:00
show notes. Yeah. And but I just thought this little bit at the
1:37:04
end here was was worthwhile. I just pulled it out of
1:37:07
Unknown: the blue. And you know, and all the government agency
1:37:10
websites and National Security Administration, for instance,
1:37:13
says, Well, we think it came out of nature, but with the low
1:37:16
probability, then they say, but it's not a bio weapon. Well, why
1:37:20
do they say that? Why do they have to front that? It's because
1:37:24
in 1975, we actually have some legislation saying that we can't
1:37:29
be in the business of creating biological weapons. And so they
1:37:32
tried to put that out there, but it clearly it was a biological
1:37:36
threat. We all got sick from it. There's a paper by Farkas in
1:37:40
military medicine that's evaluated SARS cov tool along
1:37:43
with three dozen criteria for biological weapons and they've
1:37:47
concluded you know, SARS, cov, two meets criteria for this two
1:37:51
papers by Yen also show that so, I mean, we have to ask the
1:37:55
question, was our government in the business of creating
1:37:58
biological threats and then creating countermeasures,
1:38:01
therapeutics and vaccines? What
1:38:04
Adam Curry: Of course they are that's what you do you create a
1:38:06
biological threat and you have to have the antidote so that
1:38:08
when you know when your guys get it you can still be okay and go
1:38:12
in and
1:38:13
John C Dvorak: Danny, but it's illegal
1:38:16
Adam Curry: gambling going on there. My goodness, of course,
1:38:20
it's illegal killing civilians also illegal
1:38:26
John C Dvorak: that so the point is that he makes it with
1:38:28
throughout this thing is that these guys conspire to create
1:38:31
the COVID to virus that kill that anyone out there whose
1:38:36
family member anybody died, should really be outraged by by
1:38:41
any of this.
1:38:43
Adam Curry: The many more to come who will die suddenly.
1:38:47
John C Dvorak: And then the many Brian and the people who just
1:38:49
kind of have been dropping dead left and right as you brought
1:38:52
out the early part of the show, this should be outraged by this
1:38:57
and they should be outraged about this lab in Georgia and
1:38:59
they should be outraged by the North Carolina operation. They
1:39:02
should be outraged by all of it, but nobody's outraged by any of
1:39:05
it. We're not even that outraged. We're just like, Oh,
1:39:09
brother, there we go. Again. They're
1:39:10
Adam Curry: either outraged about the appeal to heaven flag
1:39:13
or the trans flag. That's our outrage. That's our level.
1:39:17
Flags. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep. Yep.
1:39:23
John C Dvorak: What do we do in the olden days? Oh,
1:39:25
Adam Curry: here we go.
1:39:27
John C Dvorak: I think the public would be with torches.
1:39:31
And Hangman's knots looses and be Dino no burning down that no
1:39:37
July No. Mal, no, we're
1:39:39
Adam Curry: gonna post memes we'll get I'm gonna post memes
1:39:43
when a troll um, that's what we do. We're weak. We've had good
1:39:47
times, it creates weak men. We're about to go into tough
1:39:50
times. We'll see what it creates you and I'll sit back in our
1:39:52
rocking chairs and laugh for more years. And with that, I'd
1:39:59
like Thank you for your courage and say what right just
1:40:05
John C Dvorak: can't find my my been cleaned up.
1:40:09
Adam Curry: Thank you for your courage to say in the morning to
1:40:11
you the man who put the sea in the courageous discourse, ladies
1:40:15
and gentlemen say hello to my friend on the other end the one
1:40:17
and only Mr. John Cena
1:40:21
John C Dvorak: in the morning to you Mr. Adam curry in the
1:40:23
morning all ships to see boots on the ground feet in the air
1:40:25
subs in the water and all the names and nights out there in
1:40:27
the morning
1:40:28
Adam Curry: to the trolls and the troll room stop running.
1:40:34
See, let me see. Now we are a little late. We're a little
1:40:37
later than, than usual. In fact, we're about 40 minutes over time
1:40:41
for this break. But how could we not just stop and wait for Dr.
1:40:44
McCulloh? 2119 on the last Thursday right now we're at 1989
1:40:49
So I call it a wash. I think we're pretty good. I think the
1:40:52
trolls are pretty good. I think the trolls are Hey, the trolls
1:40:56
are hanging in there because it was good. You know, and and
1:40:59
they're they're already they're already you know, they're
1:41:04
already teeing up their memes. The teen up the memes. Yeah.
1:41:09
Hey, man. That's what we do. Make it all good. I think that
1:41:13
sounds pretty good. Good. There you go. The trolls can be found
1:41:17
at troll room.io. And every single Thursday and Sunday
1:41:20
actually is 24 hours a day. The no agenda stream runs and no
1:41:24
agenda chat room or as we call it here, the troll room is wide
1:41:27
open. You can jump in anytime troll room.io or use a modern
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podcast app where you get alerted when we go live or any
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1:41:40
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1:41:43
can tap right into the stream and Listen Live. It's beautiful
1:41:46
how that works is so smart. And it can't You can't be the
1:41:48
platform for all this stuff. We built it that way. That's why
1:41:52
the broadcaster's are problematic you say because you
1:41:56
can't do platform them anymore. As those two podcasts are making
1:42:00
trouble for authors no good. We'll be celebrating 17 years in
1:42:05
October 17 years of value for value. No, I was listening to
1:42:11
home man. NPR did a whole thing on Alex Jones. So you happen to
1:42:15
catch any of that.
1:42:17
John C Dvorak: That caught a little bit of it there.
1:42:19
Definitely bloating. Yeah.
1:42:21
Adam Curry: And in fact, when we when we play one of these clips
1:42:23
here as a bonus, Alex Jones
1:42:26
Unknown: is one step closer to paying the families who sued him
1:42:30
for defamation and Perez Tobia Smith has been following the
1:42:33
story topia. Good morning.
1:42:34
Good morning.
1:42:35
What does chapter seven liquidation mean? Well,
1:42:38
it would basically mean that there'd be a fire sale
1:42:40
controlled but a swift sale of everything from Jones's
1:42:44
ownership in his company called free speech systems to his
1:42:47
personal gun collection. And it means the ball could get rolling
1:42:50
pretty quickly on at least some payment for those Sandy Hook
1:42:53
families who won that defamation suit. But the payment wouldn't
1:42:56
be anywhere close to what these families are owed. Jones's
1:43:01
assets are estimated now at about $10 million, which might
1:43:04
mean just around a couple $100,000 for each of the
1:43:07
plaintiffs, at least initially, and I say initially because a
1:43:11
chapter seven trustee would have authority to hunt down any
1:43:14
assets that Jones may have hidden and this hunting license
1:43:18
as some call it would be a forever thing because Jones's
1:43:21
case unlike most bankruptcy cases, where debts are washed
1:43:25
away and you could get a fresh start. The judge ruled in
1:43:28
Jones's case that can happen because his wrongdoing was
1:43:32
intentional and malicious. So bottom line, the families will
1:43:35
have a claim on Jones's future earnings for the rest of his
1:43:38
life.
1:43:38
Adam Curry: This is why I'm so happy. We never went the route
1:43:41
of a lot of these other guys and made 10s of millions of dollars
1:43:45
with no target. were unimportant.
1:43:48
John C Dvorak: To us, what would I do with all that money?
1:43:51
Adam Curry: We're completely unimportant. Like, we're gonna
1:43:54
take all of your assets you'd be like, what's this? What is this
1:43:57
thing? What is this pile? DeVore Abkhaz? Oh, no, we don't want
1:44:00
any of that. No, we can't have that collection. What's curry
1:44:03
God who has a dog? All right, good. Dog we have we have just
1:44:09
gone the value for the value for value route. As long as you can
1:44:13
still pay our rent. We're still doing the show. That's always
1:44:15
been the mission. That's always been how we run it and it has
1:44:18
been working so then we're happy. We're gainfully employed,
1:44:22
gainfully employed, I tell you, so one of the ways that you can
1:44:26
help us is through donating money, treasure, we need it.
1:44:30
Obviously everybody needs to make money to pay your bills. We
1:44:34
also like time and talent. We have boots on the ground. You
1:44:36
heard a couple of reports during the show. We have and believe
1:44:40
me, we have doctors, dentists, nurses. We have the law
1:44:45
enforcement officers military pilots, we you cannot think of a
1:44:49
single thing we have people who test wastewater Hello, this is
1:44:54
the best podcast in the universe. That's what's so cool.
1:44:58
We
1:44:58
John C Dvorak: do have I was a cadre of, of producers who have
1:45:05
high expertise in extremely specialized areas of society.
1:45:10
Yes. And they're all you know, that's not you know, that's not
1:45:13
the same as a legislative guy or anybody, which is who is a
1:45:16
generalist. These are people that are specialists, and very
1:45:20
seldomly get the recognition. They deserve to be honest about
1:45:22
it.
1:45:22
Adam Curry: That's right. And even then they usually want to
1:45:25
be anonymous. They just want to help out the show. Well, there's
1:45:29
other reasons. They also like their life. Yeah, of course. But
1:45:32
yeah, so that's how we know this wastewater testing is just more
1:45:35
bull crap. It's a bonanza, no doubt, you know, the testing
1:45:39
industrial complex. In general, we heard a big bonanza. So this
1:45:43
is this is how you can contribute. We also have artists
1:45:46
and these artists, they work and it's amazing, because, you know,
1:45:50
we're talking about experts. Many of these artists, in fact,
1:45:53
the majority are Dutch masters. And they create artwork for us
1:45:58
on the fly while listening while at work while slaving away at
1:46:01
their jobs, they still find time to create some artwork in
1:46:05
between. And it's great because we use those for the show. And
1:46:09
it always looks good, it's fresh, it looks great in the
1:46:12
podcast apps looks good when you put it out there and promote the
1:46:15
show, which is another way you can provide value back to us.
1:46:18
And lo and behold the episode art for 1666, which was titled
1:46:23
weird spelled wy rd came from none other than the very
1:46:29
controversial Francisco scatter manga. And he created a very
1:46:36
nice D Day piece. Which wasn't wasn't like we weren't overly
1:46:43
enthusiastic, like jumping up and down. But it was D Day. We
1:46:47
did the was Yeah, we did the show on D day itself. And then
1:46:52
we got a lot of positive comments. People say that's
1:46:54
great with that. Thank you for honoring my grandfather or
1:46:58
whatever else, by the way. So some someone from the Pentagon
1:47:02
got in touch with me. Again, our producers right, and said, Hey,
1:47:06
give me your your, your grandfather's date of birth. So
1:47:11
I happen to have this and he dug up my grandfather's draft card.
1:47:17
That's sweet. Why it gets better. He says every person who
1:47:22
landed at Normandy ought automatically qualifies for a
1:47:27
French, like Legion, Legion donor or slaughter. Yeah, the
1:47:32
Legion of Honor. And so as any said, Hey, we're looking at your
1:47:36
family history. It looks like because he came from Germany. It
1:47:41
looks like it came from Prussia, you may actually have royal
1:47:44
blood in you. Which, which means our lizard.
1:47:49
John C Dvorak: Part lizard Adam, yeah, I believe this to be true.
1:47:52
Adam Curry: I'm very excited about learning. This is better
1:47:54
than 23. And me, this is the kind of producers we have other
1:48:00
pieces. Thank you
1:48:02
John C Dvorak: for oily creations apart. That explains a
1:48:05
lot I'm part reptile,
1:48:07
Adam Curry: baby. There you go. Let me see other pieces that we
1:48:09
looked at. There was a lot of let's
1:48:12
John C Dvorak: start off by saying a couple of things.
1:48:14
Please do first of all Scarah manga has turned out to be
1:48:18
something of an a whole by being goaded into condemning the show
1:48:24
on the no agenda, no authority website, which I find to be I
1:48:29
found to be very offensive. You didn't even want to use this
1:48:31
piece because you were so upset about it. And I and I'm very
1:48:36
irked by the whole thing, and I might as well make the statement
1:48:39
now I am not going to no authority for anything. I've had
1:48:43
it with that website. I don't I think Aaron has done a very piss
1:48:47
poor job of moderating. He basically says I'm not
1:48:50
moderating. So we have a slew of a holes on there that are doing
1:48:54
nothing for positive for the show. They just say negative
1:48:57
things and they just condemn you. They condemn me. They
1:49:01
condemn everybody in between and they get people like Scaramanga
1:49:04
all jacked up in a situation where they shouldn't be mad and
1:49:10
mad. And so if that site is dead to me, I'm not going to if
1:49:15
anybody wants to contact me using that site, you're not
1:49:19
going to get to go go back to Twitter. Because I have refused
1:49:23
now to be it's just like everything else is some of these
1:49:25
guys start up and you have some body like Aaron are running it.
1:49:30
They don't do their job properly. They're above it all
1:49:34
they won't take advice from anyone. And it's like no
1:49:37
authority early in the in the I'm sorry, no agenda social now
1:49:41
nor authority. And before that, that no agenda forms. We've had
1:49:44
this happen over and over and over again, where people take it
1:49:48
upon themselves to be jerks. And so don't look for me they are
1:49:53
I'm not happy there.
1:49:54
Adam Curry: I mean, this is a little bit of projection because
1:49:57
I mean, we are the ones taking the Joomla So, you know, that is
1:50:01
kind of our own fault.
1:50:02
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Where's that jus money by the way? Where
1:50:08
is it? The more CIA money but we don't get enough enough of that.
1:50:14
Adam Curry: I have to say check the PIO box.
1:50:17
John C Dvorak: Once in a while we get some agency money, but
1:50:20
it's rare. Very rare.
1:50:22
Adam Curry: Very rare. Anyway, moving right along we had let's
1:50:27
see, we had another Normandy D Day piece by Thomson nail. Man,
1:50:34
you kind of liked the D Day diapers from St. Paul couture.
1:50:38
They did which were they it was it was small. I mean, there was
1:50:44
just technically some things that I think were probably
1:50:46
didn't like it. I didn't know.
1:50:49
John C Dvorak: Not that I didn't like it using devils ever. No.
1:50:53
Adam Curry: Not using devils who not you know, what's
1:50:56
John C Dvorak: the point and we both kind
1:50:58
Adam Curry: of like damn Kenny Ben's baseball hitting the
1:51:01
mouth. No, the idea true i like i like to you didn't like you
1:51:06
thought it was too gruesome.
1:51:08
John C Dvorak: No, it was just the opposite. I liked it. And
1:51:12
use you threw back at me as to gruesome.
1:51:16
Adam Curry: Well, I repent. You said dry
1:51:18
John C Dvorak: await him as you're violating your own
1:51:20
gruesome rule.
1:51:22
Adam Curry: I repent. It's actually pretty good piece. Now
1:51:26
well,
1:51:27
John C Dvorak: it does. I think the point is well taken is a
1:51:29
little gruesome. Yeah.
1:51:31
Adam Curry: And then sir Suge did a, like a wheel of fortune.
1:51:38
Which I guess was supposed to be adios. mofos I guess.
1:51:43
John C Dvorak: Oh, I didn't figure right money. Now the
1:51:46
reason adios mofos
1:51:48
Adam Curry: the reason why it's kind of interesting is you know
1:51:51
Pat's a jack, this is why I think he did it. Pat say Jack is
1:51:54
ending his 40 year run as the host of we'll afford last
1:51:56
Friday. It's done. On on May 30. There was a rather interesting
1:52:03
episode, which I had not heard about. And quite frankly, I'm
1:52:05
surprised seeing the the level of maturity of most of our
1:52:09
listeners and of us. Here's a clip. Our
1:52:12
Unknown: first toss up is worth $1,000. Category is phrase and
1:52:17
off we go.
1:52:25
Adam Curry: Maurice, right in the back. He thought the answer
1:52:32
was right in the butt, which obviously fries not. Wow, that
1:52:36
aired.
1:52:38
John C Dvorak: That aired. Yeah, well, why not?
1:52:42
Adam Curry: Find rather interesting. Anyway, we thank
1:52:47
and congratulate Francisco Scaramanga with his win for
1:52:50
episode 1666. Now we move over to the treasure portion of the
1:52:56
value for value model. These are the executive producers who come
1:52:58
in with $300 and above and we read your notes and the
1:53:04
Associate Executive producers which is $200 and above and we
1:53:08
read your note as well. And this is a quite the anomaly that has
1:53:12
taken place here we have two of the same donations. These are
1:53:17
only the second and third of their kind in the show's
1:53:20
history. And it does, it's a recently coined donation amount
1:53:28
and we start with the Duke of Central Florida from Winter Park
1:53:33
333333 The very coveted robber lies your donation from the Duke
1:53:40
of Central Florida also a double show number donation he says I'm
1:53:45
trying to encourage others to match this donation so we can
1:53:48
all collect our challenge coins. Love the show thanks to you and
1:53:52
the other producers here of course is the jingle in the
1:53:57
Unknown: standby 3333 33
1:54:05
Adam Curry: You've got karma I mean wow.
1:54:13
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. And it's pretty spectacular. And
1:54:17
Adam Curry: well if that wasn't enough random number theory.
1:54:21
John C Dvorak: Yeah, if that wasn't enough, someone we
1:54:23
haven't heard of heard from for a while Sir Donald of the fire
1:54:27
bottles came in and he uses the end he found some more of his
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Adam Curry: shut up Yes, shut up so they just shut up. Oh,
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actually, I have a interesting just a little update, no, no
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clip, no clip to play but
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that's right, the ever ongoing vape wars. After remember, the
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the FDA, US Food and Drug Administration really went after
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vape juice and vapes in general and made it so that if you even
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wanted to introduce a vape juice onto the market, you had to pay
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them $1 million per flavor per nicotine level, which pretty
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much cleared everybody out. Everybody fell apart. The whole
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industry went dead, including jewel. And guess what? Now
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they've reversed their decision on the jewel vape Ha, what are
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the chances? What are the chances that they ruin an entire
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industry? And then let the incumbent big wig back in? This
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is why we need Chevron deference What a bunch of horrible people.
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Yeah, I'd say it's really it's really unconscionable what they
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did there. But of course you want
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John C Dvorak: I have a cannabis clip from NPR. Oh,
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Adam Curry: let's spark it up here. Researchers
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Unknown: at UCLA say roughly one in five adults seeking routine
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health care or using cannabis details from NPR is will stone
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that
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one in five statistic comes from a large study of electronic
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records collected from about 175,000 patients. They had been
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asked about cannabis use ahead of their annual wellness visit
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in the UCLA health system, the majority of patients using
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cannabis said they did so to manage symptoms. The most common
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being sleeplessness, pain and anxiety, about 40% said they use
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cannabis weekly inhaling cannabis was about as common as
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ingesting it. The results generally aligned with previous
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research. Those between the age of 18 and 29 were much more
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likely to use cannabis than people over 60.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, I don't know, I don't think this is
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true. I think people over 60 aren't going to say Tell the
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doctor that they're using cannabis. If you go to those
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stores, you'll find as especially outside of California
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find that the the pot stores are filled with old ladies.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, I never thought it was a good idea to
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have the pot stores and you got to show your ID and then you're
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on record somewhere and then all of a sudden they're doing
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studies on you and then doing news articles. But there's a lot
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that they're doing, particularly when it comes to products of
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addiction, etc. One of them being the internet itself. On
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the medical
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Unknown: watch for you this afternoon. Excessive use of the
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Internet is reshaping teenage brains. That's according to a
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new study by researchers at the University College London.
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Alison cranek is a licensed counselor with Northwestern
2:11:22
medicine McHenry hospital. She is an expert on treating
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children and teens who are experiencing an internet
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addiction. Allison, thanks for being with us.
2:11:31
Thanks for having me
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already. First of all, let's clarify what is an addiction?
2:11:35
And what is a teenager just being a teenager? Sure. So
2:11:39
sure. Last, there's not currently a diagnosis for
2:11:42
Internet addiction. However, there are several similarities
2:11:45
between what we refer to as substance use disorders and the
2:11:49
problems we see associated with heavy smartphone use and social
2:11:52
media use. So this includes things like cravings to use
2:11:55
unsuccessful attempts to reduce their use, feeling powerless to
2:11:59
change their use, and a negative impact on relationships as a
2:12:02
result of us. So when you start to see these things, that's when
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we start to think there might be more of a problem versus teens
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just being teens.
2:12:09
In some regards. It's a bit like alcohol or anything else when it
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starts affecting other areas of your life. And this study
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essentially said much like some other things we get addicted to,
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it can rewire the brain a little bit more about that.
2:12:24
Yeah, that's exactly right. So we know that when we overuse
2:12:27
things like smartphones and social media, it kind of it gets
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into our reward system in the brain, which involves this
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chemical dopamine, which is essentially we do something
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good, feels good and we want more.
2:12:40
Adam Curry: So then it goes on and on and on about okay, okay,
2:12:42
fine. We get it is but what's happening is studies like this
2:12:46
are popping up, and they're now using it for the following. This
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is happening in New York we
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Unknown: have breaking news right now is one step closer to
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having two new laws that will protect kids online. Both
2:12:58
measures have just made it through the legislature and
2:13:01
Governor vocal says that she will sign them. One statute is
2:13:04
designed to restrict algorithms that hook kids on social media
2:13:08
and the other will limit the collection of personal data. The
2:13:11
governor says that the state will lead the nation in online
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safety by implementing these new laws
2:13:17
Adam Curry: look for the following mean blocked for
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social media is as addictive as cigarettes as cocaine as Oreos.
2:13:26
And this will require some form of ID to be used to sign up for
2:13:32
your social media website. Elon is salivating Believe me,
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because Oh, you might as well just give me all your details.
2:13:39
So I can open a bank account for you it's all gonna be groovy
2:13:42
baby. Just trust me. This
2:13:45
John C Dvorak: is a couple of clips on this but I wanted to
2:13:47
preface it with with something that happened to me there's a
2:13:53
guy there's an expert on addiction I forgot his name.
2:13:56
He's a professor and he was notorious for being the king of
2:14:00
a you know, discussing true addiction Tiger king. And he I
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don't know who to remember, this was like 25 years ago, and I was
2:14:09
writing a column about it because I had this thesis at the
2:14:12
time. That the that the mouse was an addictive implement,
2:14:16
because it was like a slot machine lever.
2:14:19
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, wait a minute. This was this after
2:14:21
the infamous no evidence article. Yes, it was
2:14:23
John C Dvorak: after that no evidence. And so I had this
2:14:27
theory about you know, the mouse and you hit the reward. So you
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get addicted to the computer and you're clicking on you're
2:14:32
clicking, you're getting results. So I got a hold of the
2:14:35
professor to discuss this with because I needed I just need one
2:14:38
attribution so I could throw it in their garage, right?
2:14:41
Adam Curry: That's how we always do it. Yeah.
2:14:43
John C Dvorak: And he says, No. He says, No, this is bullcrap.
2:14:47
This is all these phony baloney, addictions aren't addictions.
2:14:51
Hmm. And it he was very strict about what's an addiction. It's
2:14:55
something you really you know, it's literally an addiction
2:14:58
where you'd like hooked on do heroin or something like that
2:15:02
the rest of this is all habituation, and all these other
2:15:06
things that happen to you. None of it's an addiction, there is
2:15:09
no such thing as an Internet addiction. And yeah, that's what
2:15:13
I said. But
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Adam Curry: that doesn't sound by the way, I
2:15:16
John C Dvorak: wrote the column anyway, without
2:15:19
Adam Curry: it if the evidence doesn't if the experts don't
2:15:22
agree, just just say it.
2:15:26
John C Dvorak: Everybody else in the media. So why be honest?
2:15:29
Well done. Yeah. So. So I so I take some of these stories, you
2:15:35
know, because I actually took that to heart. And you know,
2:15:38
none of that there's not an addiction. If I didn't even I
2:15:42
believe he would say that cocaine was never an addiction.
2:15:46
It's just a habituation. So it's because people can just stop it.
2:15:51
So I have a series of clips on teens in screen time. Here we
2:15:55
go. And this was border line. Tip for the end of the show. But
2:16:00
if Doug wasn't going to do it, just go too long. But I'm
2:16:03
thinking about doing this as this sort of thing is a Tip Tip.
2:16:06
But this is again, back to NPR and, and this is more thinking
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and some advice. This is advice for you and your teens. And I
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think I think this is actually quite good.
2:16:17
Unknown: early adolescence is a time when kids are becoming more
2:16:20
independent and spending more time on social media. When it
2:16:24
comes to curving screen time in this age group. New research
2:16:27
suggests that what parents do really matters. And parents
2:16:30
Maria Godoy reports.
2:16:32
I'm the parent of a tween and a young teen. So when I saw the
2:16:36
findings of a new study on parenting strategies and screen
2:16:39
use among young adolescents, the first thing that jumped to my
2:16:42
mind was Taylor Swift.
2:16:49
Yes, parents screentime influences how much kids use
2:16:52
them. That was one of the study's key findings. Dr. Jason
2:16:56
Niigata is a pediatrician at UC San Francisco and the study's
2:16:59
lead author, it's
2:17:01
really important to role model screen behaviors for your
2:17:03
children because one of the biggest predictors of your child
2:17:06
are teenagers screen uses actually parents screen use. The
2:17:09
study
2:17:10
looked at data from more than 10,012 and 13 year olds and
2:17:14
their parents who were asked about their screen use habits,
2:17:17
including texting, social media, video chatting, and watching and
2:17:21
browsing online.
2:17:22
Even if teens say that they don't get influenced by their
2:17:25
parents. It actually the data does show that actually parents
2:17:28
are a bigger influence than than they may think. Oh, I'm sure
2:17:31
Adam Curry: that the kids see their parents. Dream scrolling
2:17:34
all the time.
2:17:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well shaped in this household. Yes, this is
2:17:40
tricky. Guess where my phone is?
2:17:42
Adam Curry: I'm just gonna guess it's in the drawer. Exactly.
2:17:46
Okay.
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John C Dvorak: And it's been in the drawer for the last year and
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a half. And I don't know if it's affected anybody you do a
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dinner. Everybody still pulls her phones out, but not as much
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as they used them.
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Adam Curry: What do you do when when people were okay, so when
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you're at the dinner table, and all the all the young uns pull
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their phones out? What do you do? Do you make fun of them? Do
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you say something?
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John C Dvorak: Something important, I should know about?
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I'll do that to do the ridicule. I'll also say, Oh, hey, can you
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look something up for me? You know, one of the things I've
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always tended to dinner tables, so there'll be a little debate
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about something I said, Well, who's got a phone let's look it
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up. And I make make the slaves look this information up for me?
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Because I don't have a phone. And so it's and they generally
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do although I think this is a resentment that takes Yeah, take
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like that.
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Adam Curry: Like look it up for me. it up for me. Yeah, I like
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how you say that. I like I like that. I
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John C Dvorak: like that. Yeah, it works. After a while they get
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a little tired of it. Now just
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Adam Curry: to check. Do you still have a landline? Of
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