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July 21st • 3h 5m

1679: No Jet No Deal

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John C Dvorak: It was all corrupt.
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Adam Curry: Adam curry Jhansi Devora July 21 2024. And this
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year award winning give a nation media assassination episode 1670
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Nice
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Unknown: is no agenda battling
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Adam Curry: blue screens in broadcasting live from the heart
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of the country here and femur. Reason number six in the morning
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everybody. I'm Adam curry
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John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley we're all saying
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false flag. I'm John Cena moreq
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Unknown: Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: Even better than that breaking, breaking breaking
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by Alert, alert, Alert, alert, Biden drops out. He just dropped
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out. He just dropped out literally minutes before we
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started.
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John C Dvorak: Well, he didn't drop out during the speech.
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Yeah,
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Adam Curry: I know. I know. You're gonna
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John C Dvorak: say he didn't drop out during the speech. I
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thought you're gonna when he should have dropped out? Yeah,
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well,
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Adam Curry: they had a had a different distraction in mind.
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Remember, the whole idea was to distract from the RNC to have
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Biden drop out Sunday night or sorry, Thursday night or Friday
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morning didn't happen. Instead, we got a glitch. You want to
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hear his his note what he wrote? Yes, please. Now I had to check
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it with other mainstream sources, because it's not on
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official presidential letterhead, which I found, oh,
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to be suspicious. I know it'd
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John C Dvorak: be, could be Babylon be well,
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Adam Curry: then I went to let's just go to cnn.com Biden drops
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out of race. Okay. So what if we've were duped everybody's to
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my fellow Americans. For the past three and a half years,
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we've made great progress as a nation, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. I know, none of this can be done without you, the
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American people, blah, blah, blah. We protected our
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democracy. It has been the greatest honor of my life to
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serve as your President. And while it has been my intention
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to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my
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party and the country for me to stand down and focus solely on
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fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of
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my term. I guess they finalize the deal.
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John C Dvorak: Yes, as Vivek, put it, so aptly put it in the
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in his analysis.
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Adam Curry: What did he say? Well, he
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John C Dvorak: did play a four or five clips of him do Oh,
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yeah. And he said that he's just holding that for a better deal.
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Yeah. Well, we
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Adam Curry: knew that. I mean, we didn't know in fact, listen
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to this show. We didn't need him to repeat what we're saying. The
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President does say a Taiwan's thank Vice President come out
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Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner and all
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this work and let me express my heartfelt appreciation for the
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American people. So no, no news on that what they're going to do
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now. So I'm sure you know, it's like, but
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John C Dvorak: we know what you're going to do to get to
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pick Kamla. If they don't or come Allah depends. Is she
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black? Either one, Mala she's why she's Camela. It can be
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either
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Adam Curry: one. I mean, as long as it's her because if you don't
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pick Camela Humala, you you lose the black vote, you lose that,
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that that would be especially after all this black judge,
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black guy in the military, you know, all that stuff. Well,
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John C Dvorak: that it was brought up on the books. I
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didn't want to start with that. By
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Adam Curry: the way, Brooke Blitzer. We did Brooks. I think
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Brooks listens to this show.
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John C Dvorak: What do you say? Well, you didn't say no agenda
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is a great podcast. Well,
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Adam Curry: first of all, it would be hard to imagine that
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someone hadn't said, Hey, have you heard the podcast that rips
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on you all the time? So I'm sure someone said that to him. At
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some point. He wrote in his column in his column
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John C Dvorak: is true. You would eventually at some point
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after getting ripped on for years. Of course, you think
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maybe a tune in at least once. Of course. It's
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Adam Curry: like unavoidable. It's unavoidable.
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John C Dvorak: In the column,
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Adam Curry: yes. Hold on a second. I'm gonna get it up
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here. If Democrats want to beat Magga it's not enough to say,
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Orange Man bad. Orange Man. Bad talk. I actually got a couple of
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people emailing that to me. Hey, Brooks is listening to your
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show. Did we come up with orange MAN bad? I don't know. I don't
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think we came up with but we have incessantly Orange Man bad.
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We have used that quite a lot. So thanks, Brooks. Next time
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best podcast in universe. So well, I guess, man, it's so
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annoying. The new cycle has been I go I get whiplash. I got
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whiplash. There's so much going on. We we had an assassination
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attempt. We had a meandering, rambling speech.
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John C Dvorak: Then we let's start with that. Okay. Okay. I
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watched the entire convention because it was interesting. It
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was a show it was fabulous. It was a good show. If he would
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doesn't win an Emmy for Best Production. Oh, I'm telling you,
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when they put the full lashing Trump that big Trump in lights
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and then he came out and then they that was good. That was
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that was ritual sets left and right. The White
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Adam Curry: House behind them the White House I loved from for
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multiple reasons, but when they brought out compra tours uniform
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Yeah, I mean, everything was just fantastic.
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John C Dvorak: But they will What made you think they'd win
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an Emmy? They should. But no, well go to some Netflix special.
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Adam Curry: I mean, it had something for everybody. It even
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satisfied the Jesus freakin me. There was everything. Anything,
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everything for everybody, including
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Unknown: so all you criminals, all you lowlifes. All you
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scumbags. All you drug dealers, and all you crooked politicians
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need to answer one question, brother, what you're gonna do
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when Donald Trump and all trouble maniacs run wild on you,
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brother.
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Adam Curry: I think the count was about 18 times you said
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brother. No,
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John C Dvorak: actually, it was nine I counted. It was over and
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under a date.
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Adam Curry: It was pretty good. Also think when it comes to
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television production for my tastes, it was brilliantly
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timed. If people like it was too long he would he wasn't even in
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primetime. Wow. No, no, no. He came on at like 1030
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John C Dvorak: East Coast time. It was to EA was after 10 Yeah,
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it
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Adam Curry: was close to 1030. So the first half hour of him
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talking about you know, that was all the solemn kind of stuff and
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talk and he's I'm only gonna talk about this once. Of course,
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he's been talking about nonstop since then. That was all up
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until the 11 o'clock hour that I think you know, if people just
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wanted to see it and get a get a taste. And then everyone who
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really was interested could watch all the way to the end. I
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thought the timing was brilliant. He hit that primetime
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slot perfectly. And then all the other stuff that he likes to do
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after you know the
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John C Dvorak: normals. is normal says Normal stick. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: I do have to wrap ups. So I hate hate wrap ups.
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Cuz, right, right after he was done. I mean, it was right. I
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was like, rambling. Meandering hasn't changed the bit. No,
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good. We're back. We're back on the race.
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John C Dvorak: Actually, I got to two clips too after you're
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done. But let me just say I would like I said, I watched the
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whole thing. And a couple of things. One, I thought it was
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just a classic set, you know, where he does his bits. He does
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his jokes. I don't think it was rambling. It was you know,
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because he changed it. He does change topics quickly. But it's
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to keep the body and salary. It's very professional at that.
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And I watched the whole 92 minutes, which everyone made a
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point of 92 minutes long as a movie longer than a movie. I
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watched the whole 92 minutes and I I didn't have any troubles
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keeping up with it or listening to me me bitched about it
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everybody else was on the West Coast. Everyone watched the
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whole thing because it was earlier but it was like I didn't
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find it to be that rambling or bad or anything off his normal
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pace or you know what I found? I don't personally get it. No, I
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Adam Curry: thought it was fine. What I what I thought was
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interesting. I did not clip it is at one point he said it's
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been such a it's been such a great convention. I hope I don't
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blow it oh boy. I just gave them an idea. Which he literally did.
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Or maybe he just telegraphing he knew that that's what the what
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the media would do was go out was a great convention until
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Trump spoke because that's that was pretty much which is
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actually what everybody said, here's here's the Anna Navarro.
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Unknown: I'm speaking to fellow Christians. I was raised
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Catholic. I'm a Christian girl. When something like this happens
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to you like this assassination attempt and you say something
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like God is watching it was watching me that is a very
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unChristian thing to say because it's very narcissistic what
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about what about Cory which is a fireman who also
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Adam Curry: I really care about the Corey what's his name guy
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saved
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Unknown: because it's very nice. Wow what about what about Corey?
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What's his name? Good Chris What about all those guys? Yeah,
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killed on Sandy Hook all of those. It's Oh, God was watching
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me and not watching them. There's something very
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disturbing. I should have pulled the plug on that Mike yesterday.
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Adam Curry: This was very consistent. You know, it's like,
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Oh, God only save President Trump but doesn't save
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Ukrainians are children are filling the classic, very
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classic atheists nonsense, but the best wrap up and and I think
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this is also award winning has to be from joy read. Kudos to
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joy
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Unknown: Trump's big campaign moment. it last night followed
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an introduction from the Ultimate Fighting Championship
10:04
cheap Dana White, infamous for getting caught on tape slapping
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his wife during a New Year's party.
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Adam Curry: Do you remember this? Have you heard of this of
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him? So, I didn't know this. By the way. Biden just gave his
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full support to Kamala,
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Unknown: and a certain ribbing endorsement from Hulk Hogan, the
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longtime WWE character now infamous for dropping F bombs,
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and suing Gawker out of existence with billionaire Peter
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Thiel money.
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Adam Curry: I think she missed the part where he got radically
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saved and baptized like a year ago, but okay, but
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Unknown: needless to say, Trump really dug their presentations.
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And it was also failed rapper turned in some kind of musician
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or other Maga character, Kid Rock. Wow.
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Adam Curry: He's one of the most successful touring acts of the
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moment after the intro.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's just okay,
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but he's back in him in this good. This is good. After
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Unknown: the intros, Trump made a dramatic entrance strutting
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onto the stage with his last day Ben blazoned behind him in
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bright tacky lights. And he delivered what was essentially a
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rally speech, a bizarre and boring stream of consciousness
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rant, full of lies, complaints, and xenophobia. All of this
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despite Trump and some in the media assuring us that he was a
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changed man seeking what was it again? Oh, yes, unity. My
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colleagues and I, we all had the speech in front of us last
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night. Okay. And the audience could also see the speech in
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this big teleprompter. So we were trying to follow along, as
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Trump veered off script and deep into a rambling series of lies
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that stretch the speech from a time like maybe 25 minutes to
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more than 90. Journalists in the room reported that as Trump is
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banged on and on audience members were checking their
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phones stealing glances at the teleprompter slumping in their
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chairs and even falling asleep. Some even left. Oh,
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Adam Curry: wow. Okay, good job, Joy. Good, good.
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John C Dvorak: You had you don't have the clip where she equates
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Biden getting COVID. With Trump. We get we played
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Adam Curry: that in the last show. Oh, did we? Yeah, you want
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to hear it again? I do have it.
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John C Dvorak: Yes. Play it again. A second.
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Adam Curry: Joy. Here it is.
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Unknown: Donald Trump is an elderly man who, for whatever
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reason was given. This
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Adam Curry: may be a replay she doing this again? Because I
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remember she did it live with Jen Psaki sitting there or does
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a psyche. It sounds very
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John C Dvorak: easy wish she was sitting there with Jen Psaki.
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Maybe this is the same Donald
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Unknown: Trump is an elderly man who, for whatever reason was
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given nine seconds to take a iconic photo op during an active
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shooter situation, his survival of that and bouncing right back
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and going right to his convention is being conveyed in
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the media world as a sign of strength. This current President
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of the United States is 81 years old, and has COVID. Should he be
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fine in a couple of days? Doesn't that convey exactly the
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same thing? That he's strong enough older than Trump to have
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gotten something that used to really be fatal to people his
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age?
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Adam Curry: I think I think we played that on Thursday.
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John C Dvorak: So so if you take and listen to that, how does she
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rationalize to Trump getting shot coming back on stage going
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out and giving a speech to Biden getting COVID Then quitting the
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campaign?
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Adam Curry: You're not actually taking her serious, you're not
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gonna deconstruct what she
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John C Dvorak: is saying you have to take well, you have to
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take her serious enough that she's making she's influential
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she wouldn't be on the air. And you know, these people. There's
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a study that was just recently done by Fox that says, one in
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three Democrats believe that the shooting was false. False flag.
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Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh,
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Unknown: hold on. I
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Adam Curry: have. I have one of the premiere here. Here it is
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the premiere guy Keith Olbermann. After five
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Unknown: days of no confirmation that the injury to Trump's ear
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and the assassination attempt was actually from a bullet. We
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have to now assume that they're lying about something that
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happened to Trump on Saturday. No one has confirmed it and
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there is no good reason why no one has confirmed it. All that
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and much more on the Thursday countdown edition of the podcast
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now available wherever you podcast
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Adam Curry: wherever you podcast wherever your
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John C Dvorak: podcast by the way I feel saw the Rooney by
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says it was real, by the way.
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Adam Curry: Trump is is fake, but Sandy Hook was real. Just
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that.
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John C Dvorak: So let's play this deconstructing Trump. This
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is PBS along the lines of your last clips.
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Unknown: He made good on the promise of a unifying tone.
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As Americans we are bound together by a single fate and a
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shared destiny. We rise together or we fall apart. He
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shared the story of surviving last weekend's assassination
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attempt.
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The amazing thing is that prior to the shot, if I had not moved
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my head at that very last instant, the assassin's bullet
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would have frankly, hit its mark. And I would not be here
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tonight to spend. But
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after that the tone and rhetoric shifted, as Trump staying on
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brand, repeatedly went off script, repeating some stump
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speech claims that Republicans love, but which don't hold up
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Oh, under my presidency, we had the most secure border and best
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economy in the history of our country in the history of the
15:24
world. We had no inflation soaring incomes,
15:28
so we call that false. Jacobson and PolitiFact. But for all the
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standard metrics, things like the unemployment rate, things
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like wages, wage growth, GDP, these the first three years of
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Trump's tenure, we're not somehow the greatest in the US
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history, we can find examples of better economies in the 60s, for
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instance, much less the entire world.
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John C Dvorak: Now, a couple of things there one, he says we
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had, Trump says we had no inflation. We had the inflation
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rate was 1.8. That's not zero. No. So they call that a lie.
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It's a lie and have no inflation we had 1.8 That's inflation is
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the smallest
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Adam Curry: low know what inflation even means.
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John C Dvorak: And the other thing is, they never disputed
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his border policy. They just said he lied about his
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hyperbolic con. comment that the we had the best economy in the
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history of the world wishes, you know, nobody's taking that too
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seriously. Why there's probably been better economies during the
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Roman times. But who cares.
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Adam Curry: But if you measure by the Dow at the time, the Dow
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was hitting new records, everyone's 401k was doing great.
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Well,
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John C Dvorak: if you're gonna if you would do that, and you
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wanted to call it a lie, with the way you the way you would do
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it correctly, in my opinion, would be to say, well, you know,
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he bragged about the Dow, but Biden is taking it to new record
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highs, which he has, I mean, this was way over what it should
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be. It's in the 40,000 they can't
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Adam Curry: give Biden credit for anything over there at PBS
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because he's gotta go. He's gotta go go anyway, anyway,
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John C Dvorak: here's, here's part two of this.
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Unknown: Another example bad things are going to happen.
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Meanwhile, our crime rate is going up while crime statistics
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all over the world are going down. That
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is mostly false. So violent crimes, the things that people
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really care probably the most about, have been consistently
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going down under Biden, in terms of property crimes, at least
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some kinds of property crimes, particularly motor vehicle
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thefts, those actually are up. So there's a grain of truth
17:46
there. But for the most part, most types of crime despite all
17:53
the here on TV, and from, you know, Trump himself, actually,
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if you look at the total number, and the percentage, it's been
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going down for several years in a row, oh, man,
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Adam Curry: now muta, Noca,
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John C Dvorak: the who cares? Well, I didn't play the clip
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because nobody cares. The point is, and PBS refuses to
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acknowledge it, and very few outlets will, which is that for
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the last couple of years, the way crime statistics are
18:26
reported has been changed at the at the FBI level, which is never
18:33
mentioned. So that sort of the numbers are always going to vary
18:36
from what they used to be because the ways reported is
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change. And the police departments aren't reporting in
18:42
some cases anything because they just figured what's the point?
18:46
That's like Frederick, with a lot of unreported crimes and and
18:50
indeed, there's a lot of crimes like in California because of
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prop 47. The shoplifting crimes that are reported not a crime
18:59
these are unreported so we have a situation where the reporting
19:02
is completely screwed up. So we really don't know have a clue
19:06
about how bad it is. The
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Adam Curry: biggest crime is joy Reid is still on the air. I
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mean, that's, that's a chronic callback. It's like It's like
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Fredericksburg. You know, if you look at our newspaper, oh, we
19:16
had the sunshine Festival, the wine and cheese festival
19:20
everything's groovy. Now talk about the about the drug
19:23
dealing, talking about the theft. Oh, no, it's all good. So
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beautiful. sound beautiful.
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John C Dvorak: Is there drug dealing in Fredericksburg? I
19:31
don't know. Absolutely.
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Adam Curry: Oh, we have. We have Ms. 13 up here. Oh, yeah,
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John C Dvorak: they just live you have Ms. 13. In Dendrix. Oh
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Adam Curry: yeah, they work in Korea, but they live in
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Fredericksburg. For sure, for sure. That's why we elected a
19:47
new sheriff. Everyone's sick of it. So we I want to I want to
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have three short clips here because Trump went to Michigan
19:56
the next day, nor Yes, I saw part of that and and He has some
20:00
new stick. He has some he has some funny new stick, which I
20:04
liked a lot. Normally, this is your beat, I have three, three
20:08
quick punch lines all less than 30 seconds. And this is his
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first one. This is about, you know, as he promised he would
20:15
never talk about the shooting again. So of course, he's
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talking about the shooting again, and talking and talking
20:22
about him looking off to the sign. I never look at the sign.
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I never look, I never look over there is amazing, you know, I
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would have been dead who's you? What a great sign. Look
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Unknown: at the great results that we had on immigration just
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looking at them. If I didn't say that, and just because we had
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like a crane holding this massive sign. I call it the
20:46
million dollar sign that they're expensive. But that sign was
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very good. I think I'm going to sleep with it tonight.
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John C Dvorak: Heard one good stick. Okay. He did. He did a
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prelude to that. Because as he was riffing on the RNC speech,
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he came to him to talk about the importance of the sign because
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he was doing that. That's not the bit he did, but I can see
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where he developed it,
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Adam Curry: ya know, and it's a good bit, and then this is an
21:19
obvious one, but what
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Unknown: they do is misinformation and
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disinformation. And they keep saying he's a threat to
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democracy. I'm saying What the hell did I do for democracy?
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Last week, I took a bullet for democracy.
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Adam Curry: Come on, man. That's what you want from your
21:39
president. You want jokes. And this last one self deprecating
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humor from Trump is always dynamite. You know,
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Unknown: I have to just interject, if you would turn off
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those cameras, because I don't want to see the screen up there
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of me. That's very severe that come over that says that's the
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severe sucker. What's with that one? It looks okay from the
22:02
other side. But that is very severe. I apologize. I looked up
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there. I said, Whoa. Look at that. Wow. That's like a work of
22:18
art.
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Adam Curry: I mean, making jokes about your own comb over comb
22:22
over is that's just classic. That's great. That's
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John C Dvorak: the thing is about a good third of the public
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doesn't see any humor, anything he does now just beyond me. It's
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hilarious. So I do have the clips from Brooks and K part
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talking about all this.
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Adam Curry: Okay, let's do that. And then before we get to some
22:43
shooter stuff, because I do have some things to talk about there.
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Let us also do the CrowdStrike thing, but let's go to Brooks
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and boy,
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John C Dvorak: yeah, yeah. Now, I gotta tell you saw the
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CrowdStrike stuff.
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Adam Curry: Everyone's we all got crowds. It's too much. It's
22:58
too much cross. But yes. Okay. K part,
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John C Dvorak: but it's important. Yeah, it is. Okay,
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we're going to Brooks and K part. This was on last Friday's
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PBS news hour.
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Unknown: We were all together every night of the Republican
23:11
National Convention. You were there as night after night,
23:14
Jonathan. People would say, Mr. Trump has been changed. He's a
23:18
more contemplative man. Now after that attempt on his life
23:21
that he's going to deliver a unity message that turned out
23:24
not to be true. When we heard his speech. What did you take
23:27
away from his remarks in the end?
23:28
Well, what we heard last night in Milwaukee was his stump
23:32
speech. Now, most people probably didn't realize that was
23:36
his stump speech, because the convention is the one time when
23:39
maybe more people than usual are watching. This was an
23:43
opportunity for Donald Trump to represent himself to the nation,
23:47
certainly after the the attempted assassination, the
23:50
assassination attempt. But what we saw in the first 30 minutes
23:54
was you know, sort of new sort of measured Donald Trump but at
23:59
the 30 minute mark, just about in came crazy, Nancy Pelosi. And
24:04
by
24:04
Adam Curry: the way, by the way, 30 minutes exactly what I said
24:06
right after primetime, and then he's off to the races
24:09
Unknown: just about in came crazy. Nancy Pelosi, and it went
24:13
downhill from there. And so you know, it was it was grievance,
24:17
it was anger, there was a lot of attention paid or illegal
24:21
immigration, what he wanted to do about that. And I just think
24:25
it was a missed opportunity on the point on the part of the
24:29
former president because he has been basically silent for the
24:32
last three weeks because of the implosion happening on the
24:35
Democratic side. And yet he took that took that chance yesterday
24:40
and just showed the country what his party what his faithful have
24:43
been seeing for months now,
24:45
Adam Curry: that before we continue. Let's just talk for a
24:49
second about Trump's thinking here, because they handed out
24:54
the written speech to the media or at least pieces of it before
24:59
he spoke. Okay, they were already read because I was
25:01
switching around, they were ramping up to it. Oh, it's gonna
25:04
be really reconciliatory. It's going to be unifying. What is
25:08
his besides the strategy that I think he had, which is let me do
25:12
all that stuff in prime time and then let her rip. What do you
25:15
think about his thinking of going in and out and bringing
25:18
back some of the tropes?
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John C Dvorak: I thought it was I enjoyed the speech. It was I
25:26
didn't even think it was that long. In fact, I, of course, I
25:29
was talking to me about this again. And we we've documented
25:33
this, the two of us on this show, starting in 2015, where we
25:37
started to notice him go long, because when he first began as a
25:42
candidate, he was it was going around 2025 minutes, maybe even
25:47
shorter. And then he was starting to stretch it further
25:50
and further and further. And this is one of those things
25:52
where he got when he got to an hour we used to comment on he
25:56
was doing an hour he go from place to place to play,
25:59
sometimes two or three speeches a day, and he do an hour they
26:02
started doing 115. Then he got like this most to go round. He's
26:07
doing consistently doing an hour and a half. But he's holding the
26:11
audience. It's not like, you know, people were walking out in
26:14
droves, because he was so boring, because he's not. I
26:17
think he's great.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, me too. And I think the audience thought it
26:20
was well, in fact, if anything, they wanted more, they wanted a
26:24
little more of that.
26:26
John C Dvorak: Like when I was watching it, I didn't think he
26:28
had gone the hour and a half. And he was at 92 minutes when he
26:32
quit. It's it's just it's just I think his pace and flow is good.
26:38
I think he knows how to do this, right? He's got it down. He's
26:41
worked on it so many times that he can do an hour and a half,
26:44
like falling off a log, he can probably move it up to 145. Even
26:48
though I think that'd be pushing it. By
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Adam Curry: the way. Can I just say that's not easy to do.
26:52
You're a public speaker, I'm a public speaker, it's
26:55
John C Dvorak: very hard to do to do. You can do it. If you're
26:59
a public speaker, it's usually very easy to do an hour, 45
27:03
minutes, 45
27:04
Adam Curry: minutes, and then q&a done.
27:06
John C Dvorak: That's the typical public speaker. But to
27:09
do an hour and a half solid, have pretty much off the cuff. I
27:16
mean, he does goes to the prompter, and you can tell the
27:18
difference because of his cadence. But doing an hour and a
27:21
half with or without priming. When I gave a lot of speeches, I
27:25
would use PowerPoint presentations as the prompter.
27:29
Yeah, because I would you have 30 smallest points of 30 slides,
27:33
you know, you're going to be about for 38 minutes. I do
27:38
probably run around 20 slides, but I did say each slide would
27:41
have a bunch of really bullet points on it. And I would tag
27:44
the slide. If I was if I start to forget what I was going to be
27:48
talking I
27:49
Adam Curry: would pay good money for an old Jhansi Dvorak
27:51
PowerPoint presentation. I'm sure a few of them are floating
27:54
around here. You have one on an on a disk drive somewhere. I bet
27:58
it's great. Yeah, I
27:59
John C Dvorak: bet they're great. Probably right next to my
28:01
other stuff lost in the house. Like, anyway, the point is, is
28:06
that you're doing an hour and a half. And to do it sometimes
28:09
twice a day. It's just ridiculous. And it's it should
28:14
be admired, not condemned. I agree. I agree. Although, you
28:18
know, I think in that situation of the DEA and the RNC, he could
28:23
have probably cut it to an hour and it wouldn't nobody would
28:27
complain. I like to like if it would. I liked listening to him
28:32
for an hour. I don't like listening to an hour and a half
28:34
all the time, because I've only heard maybe five of his whole
28:38
speeches because they're just they're too long. Yeah. But
28:41
they're enjoyable, but they're just too long. I don't have that
28:43
much time just and
28:44
Adam Curry: it was it was a Thursday night we'd done the
28:46
show, you know you chill.
28:48
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I have no problem watching on Thursday
28:50
night. Back
28:51
Adam Curry: and Martini. You know, it's like, Yeah, bring it
28:53
on. This is good. Let's go. Let's go.
28:57
John C Dvorak: Alright, yeah, can bring back a martini after
28:59
the show. wasted. So anyway, onward with Brooks and key part
29:09
because there's a funny couple of funny bits in here.
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Unknown: David, did we get a sense that you had a sense of
29:13
what a second Trump administration would look like
29:16
from those remarks? And to Jonathan's point, was that a
29:19
missed opportunity?
29:20
Yeah, I mean, first, I should say, I think it was an extremely
29:23
successful convention. I thought, you know, the spirit
29:25
was unlike any other convention I've been to. People were
29:29
joyful. People were unified. There were a lot of good
29:32
spirits, speakers, a lot of good, memorable moments. There
29:35
was only one bad speaker and the problem for the Republicans it
29:37
was from the nominee. And so I agree with Jonathan, I agree
29:41
with Jonathan. I agree with Jonathan that it was it was
29:43
sorted out well, and then it just deteriorated. And what it
29:46
said to me the guy who had only one job, there were remarks on a
29:50
teleprompter. All he had to do was read the remarks and he
29:53
would be crude.
29:54
Adam Curry: That would mean you could be president moron. No,
29:57
no, that's not how it worked. Just read the
29:58
Unknown: teleprompter and be present. Densho made the remarks
30:01
and he stops
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John C Dvorak: up. So I want to meet you. I've always thought
30:05
this because I've been I was giving a lot of talks, I would
30:08
go to these events and hear other people. Obviously you do
30:11
that. And one of the things I've always been bugged by or people
30:16
that either read their speech they had an on paper, yeah.
30:20
Usually didn't have teleprompters at most events is,
30:23
for most general conferences, there's not teleprompters there.
30:27
Because you know, Bayview work in a studio, there's
30:29
teleprompters, but they would sit there and they had their
30:35
speech written out, and they would read the speech for 45
30:40
minutes, like you said, 45 minutes, and maybe some q&a. And
30:43
I'm thinking, why am I listening to somebody read a speech, just
30:47
send me the speech, I could probably read it to myself
30:50
faster. It was I always found it very annoying to listen to some
30:55
public speaker. The best public speakers are very
30:58
conversational. Mike. I heard Ray Bradbury was a good example.
31:02
I got to see him and breakfast of them the next day to just to
31:06
name drop there. Oh, I wonder what Hey, Ray Ray Bradbury would
31:11
just talk. And it was fascinating, because he's an
31:15
interesting guy.
31:16
Adam Curry: By the way, that's exactly what Tucker did to. Yes,
31:20
Tucker came out. 1012 minutes. Just no prompter just talking.
31:24
He's very good at that. Tucker is an excellent orator.
31:28
John C Dvorak: Yes, I agree. Okay, can I'm sorry, continue
31:32
the clip.
31:33
Unknown: All he had to do was read the remarks, and he would
31:36
be cruising today. But he has incapable of self control,
31:41
incapable of non self indulgence, incapable of non
31:44
narcissism. And so what I took away from the speech was any
31:48
hope that some people may have heard that a second Trump term
31:52
would look different than the first Trump term because the guy
31:54
is suddenly organized and disciplined. That hope has to go
31:57
out the window. I mean, the second Trump term looks to be as
32:00
shambolic and as chaotic as the first Trump term was if it
32:03
happens, because the guy's incapable of self control. I
32:07
Adam Curry: love how everyone has to if he wins, do you hear
32:09
that constantly? Well, there's this new Trump presidency. If it
32:13
happens, they'll catch themselves. Yeah, they'll
32:16
John C Dvorak: catch him. So they make one more complaint
32:18
here. Okay. Why do we have Brooks and K part? But like he
32:22
says, I agree with him on I agree with you more. So I, Chip
32:26
and Dale, it's unbelievable. Why don't we have somebody that
32:29
actually has a perspective that's different. We have two
32:32
people. This is the crap that PBS puts out. And it shouldn't
32:36
be supported by anybody that listens to this show. They have
32:40
two people that are in total agreement with each other and
32:42
all they do is reconfirm what the other guy said, This is not
32:46
of any value to the audience.
32:47
Adam Curry: And that's why we're giving it to our audience so
32:50
they can have valueless value.
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John C Dvorak: Okay, that's a good one. Nice, dry.
32:58
Adam Curry: Onward. Number three, yes, please,
33:00
Unknown: much more dangerous
33:01
kind of vicious language targeting really black and brown
33:05
immigrants talking about them carrying disease and attacking
33:08
women and stealing jobs. Did that stick out to you at all?
33:12
Adam Curry: If he had said that? I didn't hear black and brown
33:17
immigrants. I didn't hear that whatever
33:20
Unknown: jobs did that stick out to you at all? Yes, I
33:22
did. It's paradoxical. And I can't remember another ticket
33:26
where both candidates are married to an immigrant or
33:30
children of immigrants, illegal immigrants. I think what's
33:34
happened is that global populism has done two things. One is fed
33:37
on each other the or bonds Giorgia Maloney is the Marine Le
33:41
Pen's and, and this has
33:42
Adam Curry: to stop too. By the way. This is a very mainstream
33:46
thing when you are just an empty suit of vapid waste of co2. The
33:52
GA Maloney's the Tucker Carlson's the Keith Olbermann
33:57
means that there's only one of each of those people. It's
34:02
starting to work on my nerves.
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John C Dvorak: You know what I mean? But what do you think that
34:08
the psychology is behind doing it? Why, you know, they they
34:13
cite or bond and how about this trying to demonize these people
34:17
by grouping them together? Yeah, but
34:19
Adam Curry: you group them by the like this. There's only one
34:21
Georgia Maloney. There's not a whole bunch of Georgia
34:24
Maloney's. There's no one. She's
34:26
John C Dvorak: a totally different person than Marine
34:28
LePen and totally different than Orban they're very singular. The
34:32
only thing they have maybe in common is what these guys like
34:35
to define as popular. You don't populism you don't
34:39
Adam Curry: say the Adolf Hitler's you know, there was
34:42
only one. So it's a weird it's a weird thing. And it's, I think
34:47
it shows low IQ honestly. One
34:50
Unknown: is fed on each other. The autobahns GA Maloney is the
34:53
Marine LePen once you
34:54
Adam Curry: just say Orban Maloney LePen that would be I
34:59
don't know this something weird about it that I haven't quite
35:01
figured out
35:02
Unknown: what it's fed on each other the or bonds the GA
35:04
Maloney's, the Marinela pens and, and the Donald Trump's have
35:08
fed. This anti immigrant theme is the thing that unites them
35:11
globally. And so it's gotten uglier and darker and Trump, our
35:15
grievance has gotten more menacing. But at the same time
35:18
bid Maga is a much more intellectually serious movement
35:21
than it was. It has an agenda. It has a group of intellectuals
35:25
that has a group of magazines, all of which is magazines. I
35:29
hadn't
35:29
Adam Curry: heard that. I hadn't heard the magazines.
35:32
John C Dvorak: I don't know anything about the magazines. By
35:34
the way. I
35:34
Adam Curry: think that's a fantastic products. You know, AI
35:38
guns, zine ar 15 magazines telling you, there's a product
35:43
right there. Hello, no, that's a good one. Yeah, mag,
35:46
Unknown: all of which is is personified by JD Vance. And the
35:50
fact that the teamsters were the president was represented there
35:54
was a sign that something much bigger here is happening, that
35:57
Trump's grievance and the ugliness is true. But the idea
36:01
that there is an intellectual movement here on defense of the
36:03
working class, that is also true. And so I think both those
36:06
realities, one kind of impressive the way they've
36:09
intellectually come together around that agenda, and the
36:11
other kind of alarming that the level of prejudice seems only to
36:15
increase.
36:17
Adam Curry: rather alarming. The level of prejudice, prejudice
36:21
seems to increase. Oh, my God. They they this is the way they
36:26
talk on the Upper East Side at those dinner parties. Rush or
36:30
Briefing Books, rah rah, shrinker lovers. Yeah.
36:35
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So far
36:37
Adam Curry: divorced from normal people and podcasters that
36:41
they're losing my attention. Luckily, only one more. Do you
36:45
need setup?
36:46
John C Dvorak: No setup. This is a key part telling it like it
36:49
is. Jonathan,
36:50
Unknown: you reference the implosion within the Democratic
36:53
Party right now telling me about how what we saw happen inside
36:57
the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee is
37:00
impacting what's happening on the Democratic ticket right now.
37:03
It doesn't seem like it's impacting it at all. But I just
37:06
want to push back on one thing that David said it was more than
37:08
one bad speaker, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, Eric
37:12
Trump, Speaker Johnson. These were people who were also
37:16
feeding red meat to the Trump faithful in in the hall. Now,
37:20
you would you would think that the Democrats would be focused
37:24
on not just Donald Trump's speech, but all the other
37:27
speeches that were happening in the lead up to Senator Vance's
37:31
speech and Donald Trump's speech. But instead, Democrats
37:35
have been spending all their time trying to push out the
37:38
sitting president of their own party from running as the
37:42
nominee of their party and you have the President having
37:46
contracted COVID be in isolation and Jehovah's having all of
37:50
these people bringing more pressure to bear on him to get
37:55
out of the race, just as we're on the air. I don't know if
37:57
you've reported it yet. Senator Sherrod Brown just said that the
38:01
President should should give up his reelection bid. What
38:05
does that say to you that Sherrod Brown, someone who has
38:08
known Joe Biden for as long as he has in a critical state of
38:11
Ohio, that he's come forward to do this. And
38:13
this tells me that the pressure is going to continue to mount
38:17
that. It could be that the President will have no choice
38:21
but to give up his reelection campaign. But the big concern I
38:24
have is great. You guys succeed in getting President President
38:29
Biden to give up his presidential bid, but you don't
38:32
say who should be the top of the ticket? And I'll say it again,
38:36
if vice president Kamala Harris is not the top of the ticket
38:39
Democrats are guaranteed to lose. Yeah,
38:42
Adam Curry: I agree. I agree most most so to see if they pass
38:48
or lose anyway with her. Oh, but it'll be fun. And be fun. Couple
38:53
more terrible.
38:56
John C Dvorak: Low thinks that the blacks are going to turn out
38:58
in droves to vote for Kamala Harris or Kamala no is her name
39:02
Kamal? I like binge be pronouncing his she was black or
39:05
Camela if she was a white girl and Mo
39:07
Adam Curry: is saying is that the the black women who still
39:10
are all in loyal will be outraged.
39:15
John C Dvorak: And when they will be the black women will
39:16
come out but the black woman would have voted for Biden so
39:20
wouldn't really change anything. But they might bail. They won't
39:25
Adam Curry: vote they won't go vote.
39:26
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Now I agree with that. But what about the
39:29
black men does have anything to say about that? I can't see
39:32
black any black male wanting to vote for No, no. Comala
39:36
Adam Curry: for Trump, they're voting for Trump. But I'm just
39:38
saying that from a party perspective skipping over the
39:42
black woman it would be destructive to their entire No,
39:47
John C Dvorak: we've we V Yeah. I have being put this into play
39:51
long time because it can't be done a couple of
39:54
Adam Curry: things. And then I want to then I want to go to
39:56
CrowdStrike and then we'll come back to because the conspiracy
39:58
therapist needs to step in The last song that Trump played or
40:05
that was, I guess he does the playlist. I think he does the
40:07
playlists. These are his songs is what he likes. So during the
40:11
balloon drop, oh, it's the balloon drop. Did you do you
40:15
catch the song? Nessun Dorma. For you he
40:22
John C Dvorak: was to do was to with the FBI also did a version
40:25
of some other patriotic song at the very end.
40:29
Adam Curry: He before that, now at the very end, that's not the
40:31
last song. Norma was the last song was the very last song at
40:35
the very, very end. And although I think I've heard this before,
40:40
I can't remember where in connection to Trump. What a lot
40:43
of people were sending me is Do you know what this means? And
40:47
I'm like, No, it's a power. I know. It's a Pavarotti top 10.
40:52
No, it is a song that's played at the end of the movie some of
40:57
the world and which I have not seen, but I've now gone back and
41:02
I've seen the clips. And so the subplot of this movie. So this
41:05
is Russia, blows up a nuke in America. And it's really between
41:09
between Russia and the United States. But it's the subplot is
41:14
the President of the United States, they plot to take them
41:17
out with an assassination attempt, which fails, as at the
41:20
very end of the movie, where the President United States is
41:23
signing a peace treaty with the Russian president. This song
41:27
starts to play. And then you see Hitman going around to every
41:32
single one of the people who are involved in the conspiracy to
41:35
assassinate the president and they're shooting him in the
41:38
head. They're blowing up their cars, they're slitting their
41:40
throats. And people saw that as very symbolic Godfather Part One
41:46
very much so very, I thought and I like Yeah, good one. Put them
41:52
on notice. Anyway, we'll get back to we got to talk about JD
41:58
Vance. We got to talk about the about the conspiracies whirling
42:02
around because that is of course what I do. But first, let's go
42:06
to something that actually impacted the entire world in a
42:09
massive way. It's
42:10
Unknown: a massive computer outage wreaking havoc worldwide
42:13
grounding flights across the globe, hitting airlines, banks,
42:17
stores, and even some 911 services. It makes
42:21
taking care of people in the emergency room extremely
42:23
difficult, and time consuming as if it wasn't already the
42:27
outage appears to stem from an update from a cybersecurity
42:30
company called CrowdStrike. Causing users of Microsoft
42:34
Windows operating systems to crash CrowdStrike tells NBC News
42:38
at suffered a major outage impacting businesses globally.
42:42
The CEO says in a statement CrowdStrike is actively working
42:46
with customers impacted by a defect found in a single content
42:50
update. That is not a security incident or cyber attack. At
42:54
least three major US airlines Delta American and united
42:58
grounded flights earlier this morning. The FAA says several
43:02
airlines requested assistance lines have been growing at
43:05
airports nationwide.
43:07
There's no information there's no flights taking off, you have
43:11
no idea what's going on, American
43:13
says has now been able to safely reestablish our operation.
43:16
Across the country users on social media have been posting
43:20
messages of their computer screens stuck on what's called
43:23
the Blue Screen of Death. Around the World. Microsoft has
43:28
released a statement saying we acknowledge how impactful this
43:31
is to our customers. And we are working to restore services for
43:34
those still experiencing disruptions as quickly as
43:38
possible. So
43:39
Adam Curry: a couple things before we get into some other
43:41
clips here first of all, technically, that's not really
43:43
the blue screen of death, the blue screen of death is you get
43:46
a bunch of binary code. I mean this Microsoft still uses the
43:50
blue screen. It was far from the blue screen of death because
43:54
there was a relatively easy fix, which people could do. But I
44:00
hope everybody was nice to their dudes named Ben and dudettes
44:03
named Bernadette because this was a nightmare for sis admins.
44:07
Since almost every computer I talked to Dave Jones at quite
44:11
some length about this. Basically every computer that
44:15
was affected had to be manually manually restored which means
44:21
hands on or you have to walk someone through it over the
44:23
phone. And of course the the fun part of this and I've learned
44:27
this myself if you have machines that have BitLocker then you got
44:34
to make sure you got all those BitLocker unlock codes and you
44:40
wind up typing those in every single time that boots up it's
44:43
very arduous process very, very annoying. I just from what I
44:51
understand that crowd CrowdStrike releases these
44:56
updates all the time, so I was kind of like wow, why Would you
45:00
do this on a Friday morning, early or late Thursday night? It
45:05
was, you know, it's a no point error, it's seems like something
45:10
that could have been avoided. Why wouldn't you test this? For
45:14
those of you who had your, if you're in a corporate
45:16
environment course, I had no problem with the unit, neither.
45:19
If you had your computer shut down during the night, this is a
45:22
little tip. If you shut down your computer, at the end of the
45:25
day, if something like this happens, you're more likely to
45:29
boot up after they fix it and get a proper version or not a
45:34
bug version. So it would not affect you at all. And so I
45:38
think a lot of sis admins are learning that they have to get
45:41
their their workers to shut down the computers at night. But wow,
45:47
did this show how vulnerable the world is to this centralized
45:53
system? That was nothing
45:54
John C Dvorak: like nothing. This is microservices
45:57
architecture.
45:58
Adam Curry: Yeah. But it comes from one spot. Well, that
46:01
John C Dvorak: one element amongst the micro services comes
46:05
from one spot. And this is the problem. It could have been from
46:07
any any number of these crappy systems that are but it's a
46:12
centralized together. It's
46:14
Adam Curry: a centralized bug. Now it's I understand your
46:17
microservices thing. But that's not what that is. This is
46:20
everybody on one service. That's the problem. Everybody on one
46:26
service, except, of course, Southwest Airlines, who still
46:29
run on Windows 3.1, and Windows 95. And they their computers
46:33
work just fine, which is probably the most beautiful
46:36
message I've read in a long time. Tina was actually flying
46:40
out she's on a Southwest is fine.
46:43
John C Dvorak: But actually, there's some irony. Oh, yeah. to
46:46
an extreme.
46:47
Adam Curry: I go that's Well, hold on. Before we get there.
46:50
Before we get to a couple more things. Just to show you the
46:53
severity of this because we we've heard we've heard reports
46:56
and airline Jaya, this and that So Christina, who works in
47:01
basically One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. People with like
47:06
drug addiction and other issues. She said they couldn't use the
47:09
phones, you know, none of the computers worked and the
47:13
Netherlands, Schiphol Airport completely shut down KLM and
47:18
subsequently Delta grounded because they're so integrated.
47:22
They're like an annex of Microsoft Windows architecture.
47:27
So everybody should be rethinking this stuff because
47:29
you know, yeah, it was CrowdStrike today, it could be a
47:33
bad Windows update tomorrow. A boots on the ground from one of
47:37
our producers hospital just to give you an idea of Ohio State
47:42
Cincinnati Children's Cleveland Clinic all hit pretty hard. They
47:45
had to cancel emergency surgeries not show a show how
47:48
they're functioning at all. He says here's a real life example
47:52
from UPMC. In Pittsburgh, every unit has a medicine dispensing
47:56
cabinet, think vending machine for drugs nice. The nurses have
48:00
to pull from that to administer any drugs to patients because of
48:03
course you know, they gotta protect us because nurses
48:06
otherwise getting high and so almost out the back door. All
48:09
the medicine cabinets blue screen calls start to generate
48:13
by five in the morning the vendor that supplies support for
48:16
the cabinets was pressured not to wait for a fix because people
48:19
need their medication. So service technicians went in
48:22
started replacing hard drives, which is not just a swap all the
48:27
information that the cabinet previously held the stored on a
48:29
server from the vendor. And of course, that's where all the
48:32
configurations drugs and quantities patient information.
48:35
So they replaced the hard drives but the server was affected so
48:38
they couldn't download anything. The cabinet was still not
48:41
restored. The only way to access these drugs is through
48:43
specialized proprietary keys that unlock mechanical overrides
48:47
in these are real, real problems that people went through payment
48:52
terminals banks. Mind you Bitcoin worked just fine. This
48:56
is a side note.
48:59
John C Dvorak: So I wouldn't it? Well, I mean, mind you, my
49:02
computer work just fine.
49:04
Adam Curry: My point is that people couldn't use their they
49:06
couldn't pay for stuff. They couldn't buy stuff they couldn't
49:09
use get their money.
49:11
John C Dvorak: I want to just as a note, let me read this boots
49:14
on the ground. This is producer Eric. I'm a dude named Ben for
49:19
one of the larger counties in Iowa, you got this note.
49:22
Approximately two years ago, the state of Iowa's CTO signed a
49:25
contract with CrowdStrike that would allow the state of Iowa to
49:29
offer the Falken endpoint application suite, which is what
49:32
we're talking about to every county municipality, police,
49:37
Sheriff's Department, prisons, et cetera, for free. Yeah, yeah,
49:43
I'd never I still have yet to figure out what their business
49:46
model is. If they're given this away, your entity would sign an
49:48
agreement that you would install this application on all your
49:51
endpoints and the state of Iowa's own NOC would Manage
49:55
Alerts etc. For each of these entities, the adoption rate was
49:58
over 75% Amongst these groups, I mean, it's free. In meetings
50:03
I've attended with other county IT staff statewide, the question
50:06
was raised as to why some of the room didn't take up to free
50:09
offer. The main points were lack of control. Yeah, to get
50:13
somebody it guys doing. Yeah, lack of control of your endpoint
50:17
security and, quote, if we are all in the same protection, we
50:22
all have the same exposure.
50:24
Adam Curry: Yes, connection is protection.
50:27
John C Dvorak: I was called by our 911 dispatchers about five
50:29
minutes after all the systems in our comm center started
50:33
rebooting Yeah, as well as our jail.
50:38
Adam Curry: Reboot the jail.
50:40
John C Dvorak: This is ridiculous.
50:42
Adam Curry: What's not like people? This is not like we
50:44
didn't all know this. Well, you
50:46
John C Dvorak: and I have been bitching about CrowdStrike since
50:48
the pew pew days, here we
50:50
Unknown: go. Alright, Clinton paid for it. And the Democrats a
50:53
lot of it had to do they say with Ukraine, but Mr. President
50:57
are interesting. It's very interesting. They have this
51:00
server right from the DNC Democratic National Committee
51:03
who has the the FBI went in and they told him get out of here,
51:07
you're not gonna We're not giving it to you. They gave the
51:09
server to CrowdStrike, or whatever it's called, which is a
51:13
country which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And
51:17
I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never
51:20
gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why
51:24
did they give it to a Ukrainian company where
51:26
you are they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?
51:31
No,
51:31
that's what the word is. And that's what I asked, actually,
51:33
in my phone call if you know, I mean, I asked it very point
51:36
blank, because we're looking for corruption. There's tremendous
51:40
corruption we're looking for, why should we be giving hundreds
51:43
of millions of dollars to countries where there's this
51:46
kind of corruption?
51:47
Adam Curry: So that's the first thing I thought of when this
51:49
happened. Just going back to the convention, whatever we do,
51:54
we've got Biden out sick, we've got Trump, you know, he's, he's
51:57
going to be the story of the day, they're already trying to
52:00
massage the story, although also smartly, all the newspapers,
52:04
they had a deadline, I probably 11 You would know better than I
52:06
would, because I looked at the New York Times, LA, the LA Times
52:10
had some snarky stuff in there, because they were in a different
52:12
time schedule. But everything on the East Coast had emailed Trump
52:16
speaks after assassination attempt, they didn't have any of
52:19
the narrative of rambling, hate filled all of that stuff. So it
52:24
gives later. So if you really want to change the news cycle,
52:27
and boy did it, you pull one of these stones, I completely
52:32
believe this was sabotage. Completely. And that was also
52:39
CrowdStrike. I think it was timed, I really did not put that
52:43
past this company in particular.
52:47
John C Dvorak: They, they're not going to argue with you on this.
52:50
Adam Curry: I think they're dirty, I think they're dirty.
52:53
And we've always thought
52:54
John C Dvorak: that we were always suspicious of this
52:55
operation. Guess for a lot of giving this stuff away for free.
53:00
And then I asked him, you know, our producer about this, and he
53:03
didn't come back with the right answer. And I had to ask him
53:05
again, wrong, why another reason why, where's what's the business
53:10
model for making everybody and you know, say, hey, look what we
53:12
got here. You can have it for free. Oh, sweet. I mean, they
53:15
okay, we'll take it.
53:16
Adam Curry: But they're also in essence, an extension of the
53:20
intelligence community. They're in continuous contact about, you
53:23
know, fuzzy bear and foggy dude, or whatever, you know, all these
53:27
different to Oh, but they got another thing coming out. So
53:30
there's an open pipe between intelligence and these guys. So
53:34
it just what a great way to just change the news cycle. We need
53:39
something listen, here's the meeting. Look, we've got Trump
53:42
out there and he's taken a bullet for democracy. The RNC
53:47
gentlemen, what are we doing? Well, who's producing the DNC?
53:52
Our stuff sucks compared to what Trump did? This is great. He had
53:55
Hulk Hogan, Bad Kid Rock. What are we doing? We got to change
53:59
this narrative. Quick. We got Joe down President down. I know
54:03
what we'll do. Seriously. I mean, I have before you get to
54:08
your clips, I have a couple of clips from the CEO that
54:11
John C Dvorak: should mention something according to at least
54:13
one of the guys who posted on Twitter, which is that Blackrock
54:18
owns a chunk of a huge chunk of CrowdStrike. BlackRock is deep
54:22
in the White House. Yeah, well, they're everywhere. So the show
54:26
your thesis that, you know, somebody came up with this idea.
54:30
You know, just let's do this. Yeah. Is not completely out of
54:34
the realm of possibility. That's
54:36
Adam Curry: the word because you'll recall, I got the word
54:40
Thursday during the show Biden's quitting tonight. And I said
54:43
that would be great. Because you I mean, Biden would have to quit
54:47
eventually. But it'd be great because then you can change the
54:50
news narrative. And I guess they went beyond the the negotiating
54:54
deadline and by the 100 million dollars, which we discussed that
54:57
specific amount is everywhere. Now. 100 million dollars. Yeah
55:01
for the foundation 100 million dollars, give them a nice
55:03
parachute 100 million dollars. So they had to negotiate that
55:06
exit they held out for you know, maybe they wanted a net jets
55:10
card or something. I don't know.
55:16
John C Dvorak: No, no jet. No god, no.
55:18
Adam Curry: No jet out show title. No jet no deal. Exactly.
55:23
So they went beyond the beyond the deadline. And they had to
55:27
pull something. I do not put it past these goals at all. So I'm
55:33
gonna explain two quick clips from the CrowdStrike CEO who
55:37
moved and it was hilarious. Australia. This was one of my
55:40
dreams. Actually. You had television shows which could
55:44
barely stay on the air. Because Chiron is didn't work scripts
55:47
didn't work. I mean, more of this, please. But just for the
55:51
for the television networks. That's what I've always said,
55:54
how can we don't take those guys out. So that was taking place so
55:58
that today's show manages to cobbled together everyone to get
56:01
on the air and they bring in George Kurtz, the CEO of
56:05
CrowdStrike.
56:06
Unknown: George, it's good to see a lot of people woke up,
56:08
they saw that blue screen of death, we've been hearing all
56:11
about the messes at the airports, a lot of broadcast
56:14
channels, Australia, even ours. Here. We were, we had those blue
56:18
screens everywhere. People are wondering, what happens. So what
56:22
did happen? Yeah,
56:24
so first, thank you for giving me the opportunity to chat with
56:27
you first, on air. And I want to start with saying we're deeply
56:31
sorry for the impact that we've caused to customers, to
56:35
travelers to anyone affected by this including our company. So
56:40
we know what the issue is, we're resolving and have resolved the
56:43
issue. Now it's recovering systems that are out there. And
56:46
essentially, as you've talked about in the statement I put out
56:48
is the system was sent an update and that update had a software
56:55
bug in it and caused a an issue with a Microsoft operating
56:59
system. And we identified this very quickly and remediated the
57:03
issue. And our systems come back online. As they're rebooted,
57:07
they're coming up and they're working. And now we are working
57:11
with each and every customer to make sure that we can bring them
57:13
back online. But that was the extent of an issue, the issue in
57:18
terms of a bug that was related to our update.
57:21
Adam Curry: Now listen to this next clip. And
57:24
John C Dvorak: before we continue, what's with this guy's
57:26
haircut? He's got to run blue Mohawk. Because that's
57:32
Adam Curry: what you do, man. When you have a haircut
57:35
John C Dvorak: is this for a CEO of a company like this? You look
57:38
at this guy goes, This guy's a CEO. What is this haircut?
57:41
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. It's douchey. That's what you do when
57:46
you're a mogul? The mogul with the Mohawk? Now tell me if this
57:52
because he says, Great to be with you first. So I don't know
57:55
if he had done a whole bunch of interviews, or this was his
57:57
first interview. It sounded like, Hey, I'm glad I can break
58:01
this with you. They're NBC Today show. So was he tired from
58:05
talking? Was he parched? Or was he emotional
58:08
Unknown: error in the cybersecurity business? And I
58:11
certainly don't even pretend to understand this. But according
58:14
to your statement, it was a single content update that has
58:18
managed to shut down air travel credit card payment systems,
58:23
banks, broadcast street lights 911 Emergency around the globe.
58:29
Why is there not some kind of redundancy or some sort of
58:32
backup? How has it been one single software bug can have
58:36
such a profound and immediate impact?
58:39
Adam Curry: It was just a glitch lady. It was just the glitch.
58:43
Unknown: Well,
58:43
when you look at the complexity of cybersecurity are always
58:47
trying to stay what once Excuse me one step ahead of the
58:51
adversary. Now,
58:53
Adam Curry: is she choking? Is the emotional listen again, it
58:57
goes on a little bit longer. He's like, I
58:58
John C Dvorak: think it's a tell he's lying.
59:01
Unknown: Well, when you look at the complexity of cybersecurity
59:04
are always trying to stay once. Excuse me one step ahead of the
59:09
adversaries. Yeah.
59:11
Give me just one second.
59:14
Oh, yeah, take take a drink of water.
59:17
Adam Curry: I think it's the gun pointed at his head from behind
59:19
the camera. Yeah, sorry.
59:22
Unknown: It's been a long night, we're always trying to stay one
59:24
step ahead of the adversaries. And in this particular case, you
59:28
know, our systems are always looking for the latest attacks
59:31
from these adversaries that are out there. So this content,
59:35
update one out and as as it does, and it's been doing
59:39
before, for many, many years, obviously, we've got a robust
59:43
team that's looking at the safety and security and the
59:45
quality of these updates. And we have to go back and see what
59:48
happened here. But if there's a negative interaction with the
59:52
way some of these operating systems work, in this particular
59:55
case, it was it was only a Microsoft operating system that
59:57
was impacted. You'll see your reaction like this and this is
1:00:02
you know what we've seen here.
1:00:03
Adam Curry: I mean, that was that was who cares? That was
1:00:06
what I think there was a he's just he's just trying to to
1:00:11
speak you know, like oh yeah, this these things do not happen
1:00:17
certainly not frequently in these types of companies I mean
1:00:21
it's just it just doesn't happen it can't happen these things
1:00:26
cannot happen and it did happen and it destroyed their
1:00:29
reputation be interesting to see how the stock does tomorrow
1:00:35
John C Dvorak: well when you want to get to my clips from PBS
1:00:39
go ahead let's let's roll well you want to do them now because
1:00:42
it does this they bring on okay they do it the base I'm gonna
1:00:45
give you the rundown because there's fighting five or six
1:00:48
clips. Yeah. They do the basic rundown of the problem. They use
1:00:53
the word glitch too much they bring in an expert who is a
1:00:55
cyber security guy who's an old man with a white beard and one
1:01:00
of those little Scott Scotsman's caps a golf cap thing.
1:01:06
Unknown: Why? Why? And
1:01:09
John C Dvorak: so they bring this guy in who's a grump and
1:01:11
he's actually pretty decent. But the it brings up the thing in my
1:01:17
mind, which is of course the the bad guys couldn't have done a
1:01:21
better job of shutting down half the world than these guys did
1:01:25
just by suppose it accident. How
1:01:27
Adam Curry: about government? I mean, do you have any idea the
1:01:30
government's basically shut down everywhere?
1:01:33
John C Dvorak: Everything shut down. That it was involved with
1:01:36
this not obviously the 25% of the Iowa counties didn't use the
1:01:42
product error probably hold on, sir, I'm sure. Southwest there's
1:01:46
this
1:01:46
Adam Curry: little something I gotta tell you. Headline
1:01:52
CrowdStrike global tech outed snarls early voting in Arizona.
1:01:57
I thought these things were supposed to be a networked.
1:02:02
Unknown: Wow. Yeah.
1:02:06
Adam Curry: He from their own website cybersecurity and
1:02:08
election security Resource Center. Cybersecurity is a
1:02:11
fundamental pillar of election security. The elections
1:02:13
community and their partners in government NGOs, and the private
1:02:17
sector must remain vigilant in the face of potential threats,
1:02:20
elections, infrastructure and systems enterprises that
1:02:23
administer elections campaigns, and the channels through which
1:02:26
elections information results are communicated can all be
1:02:28
targeted by us. Awareness is the first step learn how cried
1:02:33
CrowdStrike can help. Yeah.
1:02:37
John C Dvorak: So just what you said, I thought these things
1:02:40
weren't connected to the internet. They're not supposed
1:02:42
voting systems.
1:02:44
Adam Curry: So this could also be a nice dry run for the
1:02:47
election.
1:02:48
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, they gotta if they're gonna get
1:02:50
Camberley and they're gonna have to do it through to choose
1:02:54
various means Can I
1:02:55
Adam Curry: Can I just get the glitch thing out of my system
1:02:57
and then you won't hear me hear me about it again. Just just
1:03:00
Sure.
1:03:20
Ladies and gentlemen of the press of the media. This was not
1:03:25
a glitch. A glitch is when your television goes first, second, a
1:03:32
glitches when you're when your lights flash off for a second.
1:03:36
This is not a glitch. This was for all intents and purposes a
1:03:41
centralized attack on the entire world from one company whose now
1:03:46
like owes
1:03:47
Unknown: glitch.
1:03:49
Adam Curry: It's a very it's very poor reporting. You should
1:03:52
have to turn in your press
1:03:53
John C Dvorak: Oh gee, poor reporting in today's day and
1:03:55
age. I just me write this down and get the date. Again,
1:04:00
reporting go don't
1:04:02
Adam Curry: like the glitch term. It is. How can you call
1:04:05
this a glitch people died. You got guaranteed people died.
1:04:08
Weddings weren't attended. Birthdays weren't celebrated.
1:04:12
Medications were not given. Not a glitch.
1:04:17
John C Dvorak: All right. Like the mere fact that they have
1:04:20
this thing hooked to a medical Cabinet will become believable.
1:04:24
Have you not
1:04:25
Adam Curry: seen Soprano's? I mean, the nurse was hooked on
1:04:27
this stuff.
1:04:29
John C Dvorak: Oh, no, I know. No, I'm not talking about that.
1:04:30
I'm talking about the fact that this system, this overriding
1:04:34
International System of interconnections would be hooked
1:04:41
to one of these cabinets, you'd think it would just be a million
1:04:44
ways secure things you want to go through this these guys.
1:04:47
Okay, let's start. This is the PBS news hours presentation. I
1:04:53
believe they use glitch and they do all the other mistakes and I
1:04:57
have thoughts on every one of these clips.
1:04:59
Unknown: All right, we started With numero uno, we start
1:05:01
tonight with a tech outage around the world that halted
1:05:04
flights disrupted emergency services and created headaches
1:05:08
for businesses.
1:05:09
The underlying problems behind the glitch were fixed by the
1:05:12
afternoon. But the ripple effects have lasted throughout
1:05:15
the day and may continue well into tomorrow.
1:05:17
And as William Brangham reports, 1000s of passengers are still
1:05:21
trying to get to their destinations tonight.
1:05:25
It was the glitch filth around the world. Today's software
1:05:28
failure triggered far reaching and frustrating outages
1:05:31
globally, air travelers were among the most directly affected
1:05:35
with 10s of 1000s of flights delayed and 1000s more canceled.
1:05:40
I've never seen it like this before. Especially in this
1:05:42
airport. This airport is my favorite because it's usually
1:05:45
getting it out. The
1:05:46
outage was caused by a faulty software update within
1:05:49
Microsoft's Windows operating system. Many users first notice
1:05:54
the problem when they saw the notorious so called Blue Screen
1:05:58
of Death. The faulty update was issued by the cybersecurity firm
1:06:01
CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz offered a mia culpa this morning
1:06:06
on the Today Show, we're
1:06:07
deeply sorry for the impact that we've caused to customers, to
1:06:11
travelers to anyone affected by this including our company. So
1:06:16
we know what the issue is. We're resolving and have resolved the
1:06:19
issue now.
1:06:20
Adam Curry: I just want to make a correction. It was not the
1:06:22
sopranos it was Jackie Edie Falco, who was on The Sopranos
1:06:26
played the nurse
1:06:29
John C Dvorak: carry on this that we didn't know what you
1:06:31
said. No, I said you said have you seen The Sopranos? Yeah, but
1:06:35
she played Jack. She had a spin off. So Jackie, the other thing
1:06:39
Oh, yeah, she was she was the neuro ICU. You associated okay.
1:06:43
Yeah.
1:06:44
Adam Curry: Yeah.
1:06:45
John C Dvorak: Thanks for the correction. Yeah. Well,
1:06:46
Adam Curry: I Hey, we don't want to be fact checked on the show.
1:06:50
John C Dvorak: Ever. That'll be the day.
1:06:54
Adam Curry: All right. So that was the end of that commentary
1:06:57
and every clip. Yeah,
1:06:58
John C Dvorak: I do. Okay, let's start off with the Oh, we're so
1:07:02
sorry. Where is the liability of aspect of this? Where are the
1:07:08
Legal Eagles? I
1:07:10
Adam Curry: asked Dave Jones about this. I said they're gonna
1:07:13
get sued. He said
1:07:15
John C Dvorak: he laughed. I mean, I would laugh too, because
1:07:18
I he
1:07:18
Adam Curry: said there every single EULA contains so many
1:07:22
outs for the US companies. There's no way you can you guess
1:07:25
John C Dvorak: is because the EULA has been in the EULA has
1:07:30
been turned into a protective mechanism illegally I might add
1:07:34
by the court system because they don't want to deal with what the
1:07:37
possibilities are. I mean, if you remember what the Supreme
1:07:41
Court oh my god because we're going to drop the Chevron
1:07:44
deference is going to be resulted in a bunch of actual
1:07:47
work we're going to have to do Oh no. So the EULA which has
1:07:52
been enshrined just
1:07:53
Adam Curry: give everybody for those who don't know EULA e u l,
1:07:57
a end user license agreement. That is when you install it when
1:08:01
when your iPhone says want to update you say yeah, it gives
1:08:04
you that big screen you go Yeah, I agree.
1:08:08
John C Dvorak: Because you have to or it won't work it won't
1:08:10
work you get a EULA when you buy a Tesla yeah so when the cart
1:08:14
when you put it on autopilot and slams you into a brick wall in
1:08:18
your dad your family really can't sue tough which was you
1:08:23
know if you have the opportunity as a business guy to install a
1:08:26
EULA on everything giving you free at you know you're in other
1:08:32
words your your judgment proof basically yeah, you're gonna do
1:08:37
that. But let's continue I make this is gonna be my main
1:08:40
complaint but can DFA
1:08:42
Unknown: temporarily grounded major US airlines including
1:08:45
United American and delta with flight stalled check ins were
1:08:53
brought to a standstill. You're his passenger in Minneapolis was
1:08:57
disappointed with his airlines response.
1:08:59
What's interesting to watch is the airline have no idea what's
1:09:03
happening. Because it is such a such an issue that they don't
1:09:07
have a grasp on yet, at least here at the Minneapolis Airport
1:09:10
across the
1:09:10
world in Australia, travelers had to fend for themselves.
1:09:14
flights
1:09:14
have been canceled. So they're we're trying to find a
1:09:17
combination in Sydney, which is not easy towards the trying to
1:09:21
do that online. And then we'll have to try and get a flying
1:09:25
home somewhere else somewhere. sometime. I don't know. It
1:09:29
wasn't just air travel that was affected. hospitals and
1:09:32
healthcare systems overseas were also locked up forcing the
1:09:36
cancellation of appointments and the closing of clinics.
1:09:39
Massachusetts General Hospital had to limit operations
1:09:43
announcing quote, due to the severity of this issue, all
1:09:46
previously scheduled non urgent surgeries, procedures and
1:09:50
medical visits are canceled today. The outage also impacted
1:09:54
911 Call systems in many places and emergency services in
1:09:58
Oregon, Alaska. Arizona global news outlets like Sky News were
1:10:03
unable to broadcast their regular programs. A
1:10:06
major global IT outage is impacting many of the world's
1:10:11
largest companies, including us here at Sky News.
1:10:19
John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, I don't have any comments on that
1:10:22
client made a mistake kind of bogus. I mean, besides the fact
1:10:25
that Dallas is just more than three states that were 911
1:10:29
services were affected. It was everywhere. It was every because
1:10:32
everybody and I back it to the guy in Iowa says this was a free
1:10:36
product
1:10:37
Adam Curry: until it's free. That's got to make you
1:10:40
suspicious.
1:10:41
John C Dvorak: It makes me to this minute it makes me very
1:10:44
suspicious. Why was it free, for example, for
1:10:47
Adam Curry: exactly this moment? When I need to pull the ripcord
1:10:52
CrowdStrike is your uncle. This Dr. Pepper is flat in the can.
1:10:59
John C Dvorak: That's weird. You have a flat Dr. Pepper.
1:11:04
Adam Curry: It didn't even go up.
1:11:06
John C Dvorak: Maybe Oh, it's probably had a pinhole
1:11:08
somewhere. I used to be a cannon Specter. I know this sounds
1:11:12
weird. Well,
1:11:13
Adam Curry: this was not inspected by John C. Dvorak.
1:11:15
That's for sure. So we used
1:11:17
John C Dvorak: to have I used to work at Kaiser Aluminum, this is
1:11:20
going to be an aside, I do actually go to hear the story
1:11:24
when people come for
1:11:25
Adam Curry: their stories.
1:11:26
John C Dvorak: So I so I'm working the can I mean, I'm in a
1:11:28
Spectre two, which is the only if anyone kids out there become
1:11:32
an inspector, that's your best bet. So I'm an inspector on the
1:11:35
candy factory. And they the CANS go flying by this giant in
1:11:41
accumulate and you can look down and you can see the CANS that
1:11:44
don't have the coating inside there's they spray a coating
1:11:47
inside all the cans. And it's a different coating for a
1:11:50
different taste flavor. Decoding, there's two there were
1:11:54
two coatings at this factory. And they one of them was the was
1:11:59
a special epoxy coating that I think they had to use on Coca
1:12:02
Cola or any drinks that had a phosphate, phosphoric acid in
1:12:06
the in the in the mix, and the data was a different color. But
1:12:10
there you could tell the ones that weren't coded and there'd
1:12:12
be a candidate would come to every so often it was encoded.
1:12:15
And it would be like silvery, because it was just the color of
1:12:18
the aluminum and never had the coating on it. And so I wasn't
1:12:22
the only guy who did this. But once in a while, you'd look over
1:12:26
at final inspection because there's another guy down way
1:12:29
down the line. And if he was away from his is his station
1:12:35
could end they had to go do something and you saw one of
1:12:38
these cans with this pure silver which you'd normally pull out. I
1:12:43
know I just I'm a terrible employee for doing this but
1:12:46
everybody did this. You'd let the can go through and see it
1:12:50
get palletized and go over to Coca Cola, or whoever it was
1:12:55
where they were they they would fill it with some caustic soda
1:13:00
and then soda pop is caustic and then you just know that it would
1:13:04
very slowly dissolve the aluminum and become a submitter
1:13:10
just just the ink on the outside. You've already blow up
1:13:13
on the line. But there was there were opportunities for the
1:13:18
coating not to be completely then you which we couldn't catch
1:13:22
and it would create this just a pinhole area that pinhole would
1:13:26
get it it could be microscopic could get eaten away by the soda
1:13:30
Dr peppers of phosphoric acid base soda and he would have a
1:13:35
pinhole and it would just slowly leash the co2 over a period of
1:13:40
about a month as that's what you get one of those cans.
1:13:43
Adam Curry: Well first of all, a story I have not heard first
1:13:47
time in 17 years appreciate it. I love the term working the
1:13:51
cans. Because from now on that's all I can ever associate with
1:13:56
you sir. Work in the can inspector he's had so many jobs.
1:14:01
You are a versatile man.
1:14:03
John C Dvorak: Like an inspector.
1:14:07
Adam Curry: He see my stepdaughter she's beautiful.
1:14:09
She I'm sure here we go neatly brought me to fresh cans. Thank
1:14:13
you so much.
1:14:15
Unknown: All right here we go. In Paris. Olympic officials say
1:14:18
some of their systems were also down. In many places, courts
1:14:22
were also closed or delayed. While the underlying software
1:14:29
problem has been fixed, security experts say residual problems
1:14:33
could continue for several days. So to help us understand more
1:14:37
about what went wrong and the broader risks to our system. We
1:14:41
turn again to Bruce Schneier. He's an expert in computer
1:14:43
security and technology, a lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy
1:14:47
School and writes the wonderful blog Schneier on security
1:14:51
wonderful Schneier. Thanks so much for being here again. How's
1:14:54
your stand the basics here, what is it that went wrong?
1:14:57
Adam Curry: Every every solution from Bruce is Spinrite Eight
1:15:00
spin, right? Just you spin right? It'll bring it right
1:15:02
back.
1:15:03
Unknown: You know, basically there are hundreds of companies
1:15:06
that do small things that are critical to the internet
1:15:10
functioning. And today, one of them failed.
1:15:13
Adam Curry: So you knew it was Bruce, you just said the guy
1:15:15
with the hat. You didn't want to give it away that was shine
1:15:17
Schneier shine or shine or what's his name? Bruce?
1:15:21
Unknown: Yeah, Bruce.
1:15:21
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, I'm
1:15:22
John C Dvorak: sorry, the Spinrite. Guy you're
1:15:24
Adam Curry: thinking of Jimson? Yeah, I'm thinking of Gibson.
1:15:26
Anyway, it's still the solution to everything.
1:15:30
John C Dvorak: But the point is, is this guy brings out this
1:15:33
micro East he's discussing microservices architecture never
1:15:36
says it. But he claims and microservices architecture holds
1:15:40
up to the internet, which isn't true. So we're right away at the
1:15:43
right at the beginning here is assertions are wrong? Boy,
1:15:48
Unknown: it's company you've probably never heard of and
1:15:50
wouldn't hear of if it didn't fail. It's one of many. The
1:15:54
details are geeky. But basically one of the critical things that
1:15:57
holds the internet up fell down. Okay,
1:16:00
but no simple little is not true glitch today. Stopped surgeries
1:16:06
from happening had 911 systems go down? I mean, if that can be
1:16:11
happening because of an accident. I mean, what would
1:16:14
happen if there was a motivated bad actor getting into these
1:16:17
systems,
1:16:18
we see that remember, change healthcare, we don't get
1:16:22
prescriptions because a ransomware. Remember, Colonial
1:16:24
Pipeline where oil stopped flowing in the East Coast,
1:16:27
because the ransomware we see this again, and again, sometimes
1:16:31
it's malice, sometimes it's accident. But there are so many
1:16:35
critical things that make this network function. And if any one
1:16:40
of them fails, the network fails. So
1:16:43
or is it just that we are too over reliant on a concentrated
1:16:47
number of companies? It's
1:16:50
concentrated and the fact that there's no, no resilience, that
1:16:55
it's a very fragile system? And a lot of that is the way is the
1:16:59
economics? Right, it redundancies are viewed as
1:17:02
inefficient. So they're pulled out of the system because of
1:17:05
profits. But that ends up with a very fragile system. It all
1:17:09
works great when it works. When it fails. It fails
1:17:11
catastrophically, which is what we saw today.
1:17:14
So is that the incentive here? Is that to change to make a
1:17:17
meaningful incentive to sort of build in that redundancy? Is it
1:17:21
economics? Principally,
1:17:23
it's economics, we have the technology here, you know, I can
1:17:26
describe ways that CrowdStrike could have rolled out this
1:17:30
change incrementally and caught this before it was a disaster.
1:17:33
We could talk about maybe there being a dozen companies do the
1:17:35
same thing so that the disaster is contained. But really it is
1:17:39
funnily economics, the business incentive is to grow and become
1:17:44
critical, and then run as lean as absolutely possible.
1:17:47
Adam Curry: So I have a question for you. I think everyone
1:17:49
deserves to hear your definition of microservices. Because first
1:17:54
of all, I believe that 95% of all problems on the actual
1:17:58
network when this was not a network problem, this was a this
1:18:01
was a a specific problem related to one company that delivers a
1:18:06
service to Windows network computers. 95% of the problems
1:18:11
is DNS, which do you consider DNS to be a micro service?
1:18:15
John C Dvorak: No, DNS is a basic service. Okay, what is
1:18:19
micro, you can't do anything without DNS. You can do plenty
1:18:22
without micro services. So explain micro services. micro
1:18:25
services are subsystems that a lot of bigger systems rely on.
1:18:31
So exam, for example, that does CrowdStrike thing or anything,
1:18:34
give me another exam
1:18:35
Adam Curry: that give me another exam.
1:18:36
John C Dvorak: I'll give you some examples. You have, you
1:18:39
have databases of birth dates. And so somebody like Amazon,
1:18:43
Amazon doesn't keep any of this information. They go to a micro
1:18:47
service, look up your birthday and send you Hey, happy
1:18:49
birthday. It's your birthday today. Okay, that'd be wrong.
1:18:51
Could be right. Okay. So micro services are telling you what
1:18:54
your location is in Miami.
1:18:59
Adam Curry: Hold on to like Ticketmaster. They, I think was
1:19:03
Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster, it wasn't just recently you said,
1:19:06
Oh, well, you know, a third party was hosting our database
1:19:11
with information or something like that. And that one got
1:19:13
hacked. That's
1:19:14
John C Dvorak: those, those third parties are all micro
1:19:16
services. micro service will will say, Well, we're this.
1:19:21
It'll say, well, you're like I'm using, I use VPNs. And now all
1:19:25
of a sudden, I go to some system, and it says, Oh, I see
1:19:28
that you're in New Mexico. I see you're here. You're there.
1:19:31
That's not where I am. I'm in. I'm in Berkeley. But no, no, no.
1:19:37
Because a microservice tells them that I'm in New Mexico. We
1:19:40
Adam Curry: used to call web services.
1:19:43
John C Dvorak: Yeah, web services. Yeah. Okay. And
1:19:45
they're always and they're part of the overall system and
1:19:48
they're being pinged for information constantly and a lot
1:19:53
of them are, are, are in such a way they're done. They're
1:19:58
architected in such a way way into the main software that if
1:20:02
they fail, the whole system fails. Now a lot of them don't
1:20:06
aren't designed that way. But a lot of them are designed to be,
1:20:09
you know, if if this fails, and this isn't gonna work at all
1:20:13
Adam Curry: right? So snowflake, who actually was hosting all
1:20:16
that data for Ticketmaster and for many other companies
1:20:19
microservice. And actually, for 25 apps and services out there
1:20:24
podcast index.org, is by that definition of micro service. And
1:20:28
if we go down, then all those apps have problems.
1:20:33
John C Dvorak: I would say that's true. And it's also micro
1:20:35
services, it can get to the point where the minutia, where
1:20:38
microservice is actually telling you what time it is. Yeah, and
1:20:44
that conscript. So I mean that these little things, but they
1:20:47
some of them are crucial, and there's no redundancy and the
1:20:50
code isn't written properly. So if the micro service fails, it
1:20:53
just ignores the lack of data and keeps on his merry way.
1:20:58
Obviously, that didn't happen with this. Now this guy may
1:21:01
makes the point that redundancies couldn't be made
1:21:04
built anywhere, you have two microservices, one covering for
1:21:07
the other, doing the exact same thing. But oh, that would cost
1:21:10
an extra nickel even though the service they're giving it away
1:21:13
for free. But it will cost somebody and Nagel in
1:21:16
Adam Curry: this case, I think the level of access that the
1:21:21
this crowdsite microservice has is right into the the core of
1:21:25
the of the boot up process and the networking, so probably
1:21:29
wouldn't be able to failover to something else. But that's a
1:21:33
separate issue.
1:21:34
John C Dvorak: Well, I think it could, if it would, what this
1:21:37
guy's point was, is that it's it's cheaper to do it the way
1:21:42
they're doing it and you make more money, and you can have big
1:21:44
bonuses and get million dollar payouts for the CEO, and on and
1:21:49
on. Which none of this would be the case this none of this would
1:21:54
have happened. None of this would have been the case. If
1:21:56
these guys were liable. If they were liable for screwing over
1:22:00
the airline customers and they could be sued for not you missed
1:22:04
your flight. You missed this, you missed that you missed a
1:22:06
business meeting. I am suing you. If you could sue over this
1:22:10
stuff not and you can't because of EULAs, which are made as some
1:22:15
government protection for the software industry. It's bullcrap
1:22:20
it these things should be banned immediately. And we should have
1:22:23
a normal system. Like if you make a piece of a product A made
1:22:27
out of, you know, like a car and the car fails and you there's no
1:22:32
EULA involved, you can sue them. And it's what happened with the
1:22:34
Pinto and the exploding gas tanks. You can sue you can't sue
1:22:39
over this because of these, the government protection based on
1:22:42
the courts allowing these Ulus to exist in the US are bogus
1:22:46
because it's you can't you either can't use the product. If
1:22:49
you don't sign off, or you just can't use it you're not you
1:22:53
know, you can get it as a kid to sign it and the kids are liable
1:22:57
for they can't legally signed contracts. So there's some angle
1:23:02
there. But this is government. This is protectionism, John C de
1:23:07
Bourgh. Acts as Eva de
1:23:10
Adam Curry: Yeah, feel the Feels good, doesn't it? Onward.
1:23:15
Unknown: So what do you think the downstream consequences for
1:23:18
CrowdStrike? And or Microsoft will be? Or will there be none?
1:23:21
There
1:23:22
will be none? What were the downstream consequences for
1:23:24
Colonial Pipeline or change healthcare, or the dozens of
1:23:27
other incidents like this in the past few years? We move on,
1:23:32
right? Politics is all consuming. This is a blip
1:23:35
tomorrow, I don't even think it's gonna be news
1:23:37
on a practical basis for an individual who late last night
1:23:42
or today might have done some online transaction paid a bill
1:23:46
transferred money, do they need to worry it? Could this have
1:23:49
impacted them in some way, make
1:23:51
it good. If they were flying today, if they wanted to, you
1:23:54
know, needed nine on one services, hospitals, a lot of
1:23:57
things collapsed, but really is individual, there's nothing you
1:24:00
can do. You're not in charge of these networks. You don't get to
1:24:04
say what products and services are used or not. We are all at
1:24:08
the mercy of mercenary, large consolidated systems. And when
1:24:12
they fail, you know, our life is impacted. The only way to make
1:24:17
this change at the political level, right agitate for some
1:24:20
meaningful rules here that will keep companies from being this
1:24:26
lean while you're kind of
1:24:27
Adam Curry: on board with what he's saying.
1:24:29
John C Dvorak: No I'm not he wants to regulate do regulation.
1:24:33
Adam Curry: Oh, no. I mean, he's saying we need something at the
1:24:34
government level which would be changing the the EU law nonsense
1:24:38
you said it's protectionism protectionism from the
1:24:40
government that's kind of what you said Miss unless Yes,
1:24:42
John C Dvorak: that's what it is is protectionism but but going
1:24:44
toward the focus on regulation? Oh, we should regulate when you
1:24:48
all you have to do is pull the plug on EULAs and say hey, no,
1:24:52
no, this is a product. You bought the product a product has
1:24:56
made guarantees to you about certain things if you bought a
1:24:59
product from should do this, that and the other and it
1:25:01
doesn't, it fails. It doesn't do this, that and the other doesn't
1:25:05
do anything. You can sue over that. I can't do that today. I
1:25:09
would
1:25:09
Adam Curry: like all of our producers who also work at CNBC
1:25:13
or other television news stations, you should get Jhansi
1:25:17
Dvorak on the air. This is this. You got one of those hats one of
1:25:22
those little like, if like
1:25:24
John C Dvorak: a guy with a little French hat, Scottish
1:25:26
Scottish cap,
1:25:28
Adam Curry: you got to have a look. If you have a look, then
1:25:31
they'll keep calling you. Oh, yeah, we go to Jhansi Dvorak. So
1:25:34
John C Dvorak: the point is, is that this guy's again, the old
1:25:37
you know, this is a liberal attitude. Oh, let's just do
1:25:39
regulations, regulations. This is an example you should
1:25:43
deregulate, you should get rid of EULAs deregulate let the
1:25:47
legal system takes due course I don't understand and this idea
1:25:51
of regulating what are you going to regulate?
1:25:54
Adam Curry: You think you've made your point? Yeah, I
1:25:56
John C Dvorak: know. I just, I'm just pounding at home. I'm doing
1:25:58
what I've taken. Finally. I do Nick curry. Yeah.
1:26:03
Adam Curry: You know, what happens? You're gonna get a lot
1:26:04
of email, you get annoyed at people who said,
1:26:08
John C Dvorak: because that's what I already get that I know,
1:26:11
I know, everything from the tip of the day, I will tell you
1:26:13
about that. Okay, I'll leave
1:26:15
Adam Curry: that for later. Okay, last clip here who were
1:26:17
getting through it.
1:26:18
Unknown: But you know, the difficulties of that kind of a
1:26:20
thing. One, that's not a constituency that's naturally
1:26:23
out there that's organically fighting for this kind of a
1:26:25
thing. Absent that, are there? Are there political leaders that
1:26:29
could be doing this that can be pressing this in a regulatory
1:26:32
way?
1:26:33
I mean, there can I don't think there will be. It's we have a
1:26:36
lot of trouble because the United States regulating
1:26:38
anything. And this is certainly not the worst disaster. This is
1:26:41
just one of many this is today's disaster. So yes, there could be
1:26:46
change, I wouldn't expect it. EU is doing better. You see more
1:26:50
meaningful regulation there. But even there, they're not doing
1:26:53
the kinds of things that will make our critical infrastructure
1:26:57
more redundant, more resilient.
1:27:00
All right, Bruce Schneier of Schneier on security. Thanks so
1:27:02
much for being here. Wow.
1:27:04
Adam Curry: All right. Thanks so much again. Geez. So the fallout
1:27:11
from this will be I don't know if we're gonna get much
1:27:14
reporting on it from here on out because it was just a glitch.
1:27:17
Yeah, big deal. But I think a
1:27:21
John C Dvorak: billions of dollars to the economies of the
1:27:24
of the world
1:27:25
Adam Curry: a nice or at least everyone got hit a nice October
1:27:30
surprise, oh, voting machines glitch glitch, which, I mean, if
1:27:35
a voting machines are connected to this, they can put all kinds
1:27:38
of stuff in there. They're at the low one of the lowest levels
1:27:40
of the operating good. They don't think they've been doing
1:27:44
it. I'm sorry, what am I even saying? Yes. So this should be
1:27:48
very telling. I've always been led to believe voting machines
1:27:52
are not connected to the network. They keep saying it,
1:27:56
don't they, by definition, if CrowdStrike is in there, and
1:28:00
it's working as advertised, it's connected to something. So that
1:28:06
should be a Gillespie County. Pen and paper. No voting
1:28:11
machines here. All right, let me let me put up the sign here. The
1:28:16
conspiracy therapist is an All right. Couple of things. Related
1:28:26
to the shooting, first of all, thank you. We have the best
1:28:29
podcast producers in the universe. Douchebag. Pat came in
1:28:36
regarding the shorting of the D J. T stock prior to the
1:28:40
shooting. Well, well, well. I mean, how many emails did we not
1:28:46
receive about? Oh, yeah, BlackRock and Clinton. They're
1:28:49
shorting and made money just like 911 Airlines. And
1:28:54
douchebag. Pat says, Well, I looked at the volume price
1:28:57
action since July, when the stock button was very subdued
1:29:00
average trading range less than normal. The stock price was flat
1:29:03
during the entire time, the average daily volume was about
1:29:05
11 million shares. So it's almost impossible that 12
1:29:09
million got shorted without any ramifications. He says I checked
1:29:12
the put value volume. This would be the snapshot of how many
1:29:16
contracts existed at the end of the day on July 12. Before the
1:29:19
shooting, I put up a chart of every single option contract
1:29:22
that had over 1000 contracts. Most of the put buying occurred
1:29:25
after the run ups that can be attributed to things like the
1:29:28
debate in June, as far as reports of 120,000 put contracts
1:29:33
being bought. There were not even 120,000 Put contracts in
1:29:37
existence. Yep, I saw zero evidence of any ramped up put
1:29:41
buying during July through the 12th before the shooting. And so
1:29:47
he says this is bogus. That is absolutely absolutely bogus.
1:29:52
John C Dvorak: Probably true that was unclear should be
1:29:54
ashamed of themselves for sending us this.
1:29:56
Adam Curry: They don't know I mean that no, they should know
1:29:58
they should be Dogen
1:30:00
John C Dvorak: The listener should get included some
1:30:02
Adam Curry: police should not be ashamed. It's just what it is.
1:30:05
Okay, they shouldn't be ashamed. Now a couple a couple of other
1:30:08
things. Now I just want you to read it reiterate. I believe
1:30:11
you're on board with this general thesis that from the no
1:30:15
agenda perspective, we seen this many times. This looks like the
1:30:19
FBI specifically, by the way, FBI with the guys on the roof
1:30:22
hosing it down. Closing down the evidence. Hello, FBI. The minute
1:30:28
we heard that this kid had some bombs with a remote control up
1:30:33
on the roof. Immediately this this is a very stereotypical FBI
1:30:38
six week cycle operation, you find some weak brother online,
1:30:42
who's talking terrorism is yelling about Allahu Akbar.
1:30:47
Don't get mad at me. I'm just saying. You know, and then they
1:30:52
jack him up like, yeah, it was all Yeah. Do you want to cause
1:30:55
some mayhem? Yeah, we should do this. And they jack them around
1:30:58
for two months. And then they give him a phony baloney
1:31:01
detonator. And then the minute he goes to press the button,
1:31:03
which doesn't work, they swoop in save the day, we almost
1:31:06
almost blew everybody up. And the funny
1:31:10
John C Dvorak: thing is, we keep overlooking the Whitmer
1:31:13
kidnapping, murder plot was largely one of these operations.
1:31:18
Well,
1:31:19
Adam Curry: interesting that you bring that up. Here's two clips
1:31:21
Unknown: or sign here. Whitmer kidnap plot victim, but you were
1:31:25
one of them. You were one of the ones to talk to you for very
1:31:28
long. So real quick, I'm gonna go back to Miranda but tell me
1:31:30
real quick. We only got about 20 seconds. All right. You're so
1:31:33
you're one of the ones that got arrested for the plot. Yes, sir.
1:31:35
Eric, I'm Eric Molitor. Tell me about it real quick, real quick.
1:31:39
I don't even know where to start. FBI infiltrated basically
1:31:43
set it up. Am I right? The FBI set everything out. They drove
1:31:46
people they paid for everything how they wrote the script,
1:31:49
Governor Whitmer herself open her scheduling book and decided
1:31:52
with the FBI and State police wouldn't be the best time for
1:31:55
the daytime ride the nighttime ride, then they do people into
1:31:58
it. They even have proof we even have proof of them telling
1:32:01
people get as many people in the trucks as possible and don't
1:32:03
tell them what you're doing until they're already on the
1:32:05
road. The idea was 100% setup and Governor what Marian if they
1:32:09
can do it to nobody like me. They will come after everybody
1:32:12
else. So let me ask your partner this without getting I don't
1:32:15
know if you're still going through the legal battles on it
1:32:17
acquitted man acquitted, acquitted. So this is one of
1:32:19
those things. She's still out there pushing this as if it was
1:32:23
a legitimate thing that there was a kidnap plot against her
1:32:26
that she set up with the FBI. It's walk me through what
1:32:29
actually happened that night. Oh my gosh, man. So I didn't go on
1:32:32
to what's known as the nighttime ride. I was duped into the
1:32:35
daytime ride. And oh my gosh, again, there's so much that goes
1:32:38
into anyways, I set up a Civil Defense Force for my area in
1:32:41
Wexford Cadillac city, because Antifa bail almost coming up
1:32:45
there. Through this process. I met Adam Fox who lived down here
1:32:47
in Grand Rapids actually, after a while he got me a job in
1:32:52
private security, which was really awesome. I thought that
1:32:54
Stewart was really, really cool. And he actually is a good guy,
1:32:56
by the way. So
1:32:57
Adam Curry: you get the idea. Actually, I have a longer clip
1:33:01
of that, but it was fake. And then NPR stations. So one of the
1:33:04
troll room just posted are still talking about it in Michigan as
1:33:07
if it all was real and happened it wasn't the guys were
1:33:10
acquitted. It was a setup.
1:33:12
John C Dvorak: So this is where all acquitted because they got
1:33:14
the FBI got busted. So this is
1:33:16
Adam Curry: very typical of the FBI, specifically the FBI. And
1:33:21
no one typically no one gets hurt, but they can swoop in.
1:33:25
Remember the guy with the drones in DC like this huge, remote
1:33:30
controlled aircraft drive it over and over and over again. We
1:33:34
see this except you're
1:33:35
John C Dvorak: right, the FBI goes out of their way or tries
1:33:39
to go out of their way. So nobody gets hurt. Yeah, they
1:33:41
just get arrested. And they and the FBI budget goes up. Well,
1:33:45
Adam Curry: or at least they maintain it or it goes up. And
1:33:48
yeah, and so our thinking is that this kid kind of went rogue
1:33:53
as you say freelance and he brought his dad's rifle I like
1:33:56
yeah, you know what, I'm gonna really I'm gonna do something
1:33:58
here. Everything points towards this, including
1:34:03
John C Dvorak: so much more, including the dad calling 911
1:34:06
Yes,
1:34:06
Adam Curry: yes. The Wall Street Journal has a lot of reporting.
1:34:11
They say he was for the past year, he was quietly quietly
1:34:15
receiving nice reporting Wall Street Journal, quietly
1:34:19
receiving several packages that were marked hazardous material,
1:34:22
some of which law enforcement officials think he might have
1:34:25
used to make a pair of homemade bombs. Now notice there was no
1:34:28
detonation of the bombs. No one has told about I mean, we know a
1:34:33
little bit about what was in them basically, you know, like
1:34:36
your standard ammonium bomb was some nitro flicker makan in
1:34:41
there, whatever. It doesn't matter nitrates what you're
1:34:44
saying. But they didn't they didn't explode. They didn't
1:34:47
detonate them. He had a he had a fireworks ignition system. By
1:34:54
the way the antenna was broken off at least in the picture I
1:34:57
saw. He had two cell phone It's I mean, this reeks of an FBI
1:35:02
setup. But the kid who has a horrible shot, he's like, you
1:35:05
know, I'm going to show that I'm a good shot. And he comes in and
1:35:08
he tries to shoot Trump and comes very close. This there's
1:35:13
something else that if if there was any noise out there or some
1:35:17
rumor, you remember the first headlines, what were the first
1:35:21
headlines that came out? When? When, when when Trump was shot
1:35:28
during the first headlines? No, I don't loud noises scare Trump.
1:35:32
John C Dvorak: Oh, that was the headlines from the from from
1:35:35
multiple, multiple multiple outlets that tried to downplay
1:35:39
the whole thing,
1:35:40
Adam Curry: or were they expecting loud noises? were they
1:35:46
expecting some pre written maybe? Maybe I'm just saying
1:35:51
it's just
1:35:51
John C Dvorak: that they made fools of themselves by putting
1:35:54
in the headlines. Oh, Trump falls. So
1:35:55
Adam Curry: I think that it's very possible that a couple of
1:35:58
these outlets, were ready to go. Loud noises Trump, you know,
1:36:04
there was a couple of headlines. And we all looked at it and
1:36:08
said, Oh, man, they can't even say that he got shot. I mean,
1:36:11
obviously, it's the difference between loud noises and
1:36:13
gunshots. Gunshot everyone heard was gunshots. There was no
1:36:16
mistake in that whatsoever. Where did these headlines come
1:36:19
from? That that I think it just adds to our possible scenario
1:36:23
here. Then we hear there's a lot of multiple shooter stuff out
1:36:30
there. And so there's some really grainy video where you
1:36:35
have the water tower, you see the water, even the top of the
1:36:38
water tower is going back and forth because the camera is
1:36:42
zooming in and zooming out. I mean, know that. As far as I
1:36:45
know, there were
1:36:46
John C Dvorak: these things that people are buying. It's just
1:36:48
like, what if they were they?
1:36:50
Adam Curry: If there were two shooters, Trump would be dead?
1:36:53
If I even heard today. The guy had a zipline, he zipline down
1:36:58
from the water tower. Okay, all right. It's nonsense. Then we
1:37:02
have the audio analysis, multiple guns, multiple
1:37:08
shooters. I liked it. A little bit about audio. I liked this.
1:37:11
By the way, I liked the idea of looking at the sound, the crack
1:37:16
and the retort. So pluck, pluck foam, pluck foam, two seconds
1:37:21
between each one. And then the last one on the last four shots,
1:37:26
or three or four shots. You hear there's a different distance
1:37:31
between the talk and film. What I think I can dispute this, this
1:37:38
audio is taken outside, on a camera on a phone, which is
1:37:43
moving around, you're going to get different acoustics you're
1:37:48
going to get all kinds of different slap backs from a
1:37:52
camera that is not stationary. It's not like it was a
1:37:55
stationary mic.
1:37:58
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's also the thing that seems to be
1:38:00
ignored. wish there were two shooters. One of them was the
1:38:03
Secret Service sniper shooting at the kid.
1:38:07
Adam Curry: Well, supposedly, the ninth shot is that one. But
1:38:10
we don't know. Breaking news. We don't really know.
1:38:13
John C Dvorak: We don't know. But it's since the ninth shot
1:38:16
was that one. We have one guy who has? No he's just kind of
1:38:20
chuckling to himself as though he's solved the whole thing. And
1:38:23
he shows the guy shooting three times. This hole is just
1:38:27
ridiculous.
1:38:29
Adam Curry: So there is a large contingent of people out there
1:38:31
believing this was a complete setup. I mean, people I respect,
1:38:35
this is the biggest show on earth. I and I have to say
1:38:39
again, no. If this was not if it was October, I would give you
1:38:44
some leeway. They make Oh, but this was for he was going to win
1:38:48
the nomination anyway, this is not to get him nominated. This
1:38:52
makes no sense that this was a false flag. Already. It was you
1:38:58
know, he he had a little ear clip, you know, He clipped his
1:39:01
own ear. And when he put his head no, no. How about it was
1:39:04
real. How about that for a second? It was real. But the
1:39:09
mounting evidence, evidence and circumstances of this kid is
1:39:14
amazing. We're seeing a narrative being built. It is all
1:39:18
coming from sources. From phone calls that people aren't allowed
1:39:24
to talk to there's no briefing for everything else in the
1:39:26
world. We get daily briefings, we get the FBI, they're up
1:39:30
there, you know, you maybe get the Secret Service, someone's
1:39:33
going to be talking about it, but there's nothing there's none
1:39:35
of that. So it's very fishy, that that's not happening. And I
1:39:39
don't think it's because there's some conspiracy outside of the
1:39:42
FBI trying to pull off one of the little gambits but then we
1:39:46
have this bombshell.
1:39:47
Unknown: In the meantime, we do want to get into this new
1:39:49
bombshell report right now shell just moments ago coming in from
1:39:52
the Wall Street Journal, and I'm going to read from some of the
1:39:56
piece and this is quite stunning. Let's take some of
1:39:59
this video out there. Here's what we know. According to The
1:40:01
Wall Street Journal, they just published this piece that a
1:40:03
gunman who tried to kill Donald Trump was able to fly a drone
1:40:07
and get aerial footage of the Western Pennsylvania
1:40:10
fairgrounds. Shortly before the former president was set to
1:40:13
speak their law enforcement officials briefed on the matter
1:40:16
said further underscoring the stunning security lapses ahead
1:40:19
of Trump's assassination. They go on to say And they're
1:40:23
reporting that Thomas Matthew crooks flew the drone on a
1:40:27
programmed flight path earlier in the day on July the 13th. to
1:40:32
scour the butler farm Showgrounds ahead of Trump's ill
1:40:36
fated rally according to the officials, the predetermined
1:40:39
path, the officials added, suggests crooks flew the drone
1:40:43
more than once as he researched and scoped out the event site.
1:40:48
So
1:40:48
Adam Curry: I would like to see said drone. I'd like to get a
1:40:52
little bit of information about this drone. What kind of drone
1:40:54
was it because there was a TFR in place a temporary flight
1:40:59
restriction has very normal when the when someone of this stature
1:41:04
speaks, and it's a zone and it was all around this entire area
1:41:08
where you cannot fly it and they put it out and in no time notice
1:41:11
to Airmen. Oh, I'm sorry. That's misogynistic. And as a part of
1:41:16
it, and so even even a drone flying would be under this TFR
1:41:23
and in fact, it says in the know time the Department of Defense,
1:41:26
the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of
1:41:29
Justice may take security action that results in the interference
1:41:33
disruptions seizure, damaging or destruction of unmanned aircraft
1:41:38
deemed to pose a credible safety or security threat to protected
1:41:41
personnel or assets. So possible, that's just bullcrap.
1:41:46
And they're not looking at all for drones. I don't think drones
1:41:49
have transponders. But if there were serious about this
1:41:52
security, then you know, as they portend here, yes, then that is
1:41:57
something that probably should not have been able to happen. I
1:42:00
John C Dvorak: want to correct your terminology. sexist and
1:42:04
misogyny is not they're not synonyms. I'm
1:42:06
Adam Curry: sorry. Yes, sexist. I'm just sexist.
1:42:09
John C Dvorak: Wait, since you're playing that, like that's
1:42:12
a distraction. Let's play this Josh Hawley clip. It's a false
1:42:16
report.
1:42:17
Adam Curry: You're jumping ahead, but okay, we can do this.
1:42:19
Where is yes, Jess, harlot. Can we just wait one second on the
1:42:22
Josh Holly thing? Because the secret services is last. Secret
1:42:27
Services last. All right, then it will play it. Yeah. Yeah.
1:42:31
Because he has the whistleblower. So now we're
1:42:33
starting to supposedly Yeah, now now we're starting to build up a
1:42:37
little bit of a profile with different news reports.
1:42:40
Unknown: They do know that he registered as a Republican a
1:42:43
couple of days after his 18th birthday. But that's, you know
1:42:47
that and I think his final search on the internet was for
1:42:51
pornography. He also looked for pictures of both Trump and
1:42:56
Biden. And also Chris Wray, the FBI director and Merrick
1:43:00
Garland. So he was very angry, I think with the government in
1:43:04
general,
1:43:05
Adam Curry: beautiful. First of all, he's he's an INCEL. Looking
1:43:09
for porn. Couldn't be FBI couldn't be involved because he
1:43:13
had a picture of FBI director Chris rea on his phone. So the
1:43:16
Department of Justice because you know, we got the Attorney
1:43:19
General there. No, wait, where'd
1:43:21
John C Dvorak: you get this clip?
1:43:23
Adam Curry: I don't remember where I got that from it.
1:43:27
John C Dvorak: This is planned his story. This is his plan. I
1:43:30
don't have to be nice to know the source. Okay. Yes, someone
1:43:33
Adam Curry: sent it to me and it was no source I should have
1:43:35
asked for a source. Normally habits such as this as CNN,
1:43:39
here's a big part of the of the story that's being created law
1:43:43
Unknown: enforcement sources telling CNN that there were
1:43:46
pictures on the shooters phone of both President Biden and
1:43:50
President Trump, but law enforcement. Sources also noted
1:43:53
that there were other Political figures on his phone as well,
1:43:56
including pictures of House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries,
1:43:59
and speaker Mike Johnson, but no threatening language
1:44:02
accompanying any of those photos. And
1:44:04
Adam Curry: you know, what I love about there were pictures
1:44:06
on what did he have in an album, they have him as his screen, his
1:44:11
lock screen,
1:44:11
John C Dvorak: we had to look at the picture of Trump mood before
1:44:14
he took the shot to make sure.
1:44:16
Adam Curry: I mean, this is completely bogus. The
1:44:20
Unknown: other thing is new information is that crooks
1:44:23
apparently has searched for information on major depression
1:44:26
disorder. But still law enforcement officials say that
1:44:29
there's no evidence that he himself had any diagnosis. And
1:44:33
the last thing, sir, that I'll note is from the House Briefing
1:44:36
law, say legislative sources were telling us that the shooter
1:44:41
actually visited that rally site twice before the shooting. And
1:44:44
cellphone data shows that he was at that rally site at least 70
1:44:48
minutes prior to the shooting. So
1:44:50
Adam Curry: this is new, this is something new, they have not
1:44:52
done it before, which tells me they're a little desperate,
1:44:55
because clearly, this is not politically motivated. We can't
1:44:58
blame it on that. Can't blame it on the FBI in the oh, he was
1:45:03
very interested in Hakeem Jeffries. Okay, sure. But the
1:45:06
Daily Mail expert
1:45:08
John C Dvorak: before before he go on, I want to say what you're
1:45:10
doing. You are showing that the FBI was reverse engineering, a
1:45:17
possible scenario because of the screw up but of the kids growing
1:45:21
up with this kid with the kid going rogue so now what are we
1:45:23
going to do? Yes, let's start piecing together a phony story.
1:45:26
Yes.
1:45:27
Adam Curry: Including and this is new. They never do this.
1:45:30
Doctors say antidepressants may have pushed Trump shooter Thomas
1:45:34
crooks over the edge as Oh, as concerning new details emerge.
1:45:40
Now and remember, let me just read a few pieces from this
1:45:44
report. Details are beginning to emerge about the state of mind
1:45:48
of Donald Trump's would be assassin after the FBI gain
1:45:52
access to his cell phone this week apparently had two or three
1:45:55
but okay. Though no concrete motive has been established
1:45:58
Thomas crooks exclusive story. Internet history revealed he
1:46:03
searched for information about major depressive disorder in the
1:46:06
days leading up to the attack. In addition to that,
1:46:10
John C Dvorak: well, by the way that shows there's a flaw
1:46:14
because according to the reports, he never went got
1:46:17
diagnosed by a doctor. So how did he get the prescription?
1:46:19
Adam Curry: We Oh, we don't know if he if he was looking for
1:46:22
prescription, but this Oh
1:46:23
John C Dvorak: no. How did he get the prescription? He was
1:46:25
told if they're gonna start blaming drugs on this. Somebody
1:46:28
has yet to get diagnosed.
1:46:31
Adam Curry: Well, they haven't figured that one out yet. But
1:46:35
this story, I have never seen this before. This story from The
1:46:39
Daily Mail links to an Oxford Department of Psychiatry. Story
1:46:46
depression linked to violent crime study finds. Wow, didn't
1:46:50
hear about that. Three times more likely, according to
1:46:55
Oxford, three times more likely to commit violent acts, violent
1:47:00
crimes. If you're on antidepressants. Gee, what next?
1:47:04
Video games make you do this stuff? I mean, come on. I'm
1:47:09
trying to see if this there was one more piece let me see if
1:47:11
this is it. a
1:47:12
Unknown: clearer picture of the shooter and the actions of 20
1:47:14
year old Thomas Matthew crooks is emerging.
1:47:19
Adam Curry: From the FBI at you
1:47:21
Unknown: crooks is emerging. A source familiar with the
1:47:23
investigation telling NBC News crooks flew a drone oh,
1:47:26
Adam Curry: by the way, crooks worked at a nursing home maybe
1:47:29
had access to drugs there. You never know. Those
1:47:31
Unknown: familiar with the investigation telling NBC News
1:47:34
crooks flew a drone at the rally site mere hours before Donald
1:47:37
Trump took the stage. While common for the Secret Service to
1:47:40
banned drones over areas they are securing. It's unclear if
1:47:44
that happened in this case, drone and drone equipment were
1:47:47
found in Crixus car according to a senior law enforcement source.
1:47:50
To senior law enforcement sources tell NBC News The FBI
1:47:54
has uncovered more than 14,000 links on the phone to the
1:47:57
shooter. And then online searches by crooks involved
1:47:59
depressive disorder, explosive materials and chemical compounds
1:48:03
as well as information about the 2021 Oxford High School mass
1:48:07
shooting and convicted shooter Ethan crumbly
1:48:10
Adam Curry: that's the one who's the one whose parents went to
1:48:14
jail.
1:48:15
John C Dvorak: Cromley maybe yeah, criminally maybe I'm using
1:48:19
14,000 links first of all with a phone first got is cracked. It's
1:48:25
there is nothing on it. If I don't know maybe I just heard
1:48:28
that. And now all of a sudden this 14,000 14,000 links on your
1:48:33
phone you guys gotta get he's got to have some tendinitis in
1:48:37
his thumbs. Well, there's a lot of links. I mean,
1:48:41
Adam Curry: one one web page could have 100 links. We have no
1:48:45
and breaking news. We have no information. We're building a
1:48:50
story as you said the reverse engineering a story around this
1:48:54
kid because it did not do what they wanted. They wanted some
1:48:58
loud bang bang noises this kid Oh crazy. Oh yeah, they probably
1:49:02
would have killed him. Probably.
1:49:06
John C Dvorak: Not necessarily. I'm gonna kill these other guys
1:49:10
like the crazy guys that were trying to blow up one thing you
1:49:13
know that Muslims, that guys that they were at a party and
1:49:16
they're going to blow up something Florida alive. I'm
1:49:20
going to say necessarily kill anybody.
1:49:22
Adam Curry: I'm going to set you up for the holly clip or the
1:49:25
Unknown: House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the
1:49:27
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheeto to appear before that
1:49:30
panel on Monday as they investigate the security
1:49:32
breakdown. That apparently made the shooting possible over the
1:49:36
past weekend. Republican Congressman Mark Alford of
1:49:39
Missouri joins me now. Congressman, thank you very much
1:49:42
for joining us. I guess. First of all, we know that law
1:49:47
enforcement officials briefed members of Congress yesterday
1:49:49
about some of the details of that assassination attempt over
1:49:53
the weekend. What did you hear from that briefing regarding the
1:49:56
shooting that stood out to you
1:50:00
Well, Jim, thanks for having me on.
1:50:01
Yes, I was on that briefing call. It was an Off The Record
1:50:04
call. So there's not a lot that I can share with you. I will
1:50:07
tell you in generalities though director Cheadle and director
1:50:10
Ray did acknowledge that this was a failure, insecurity. And I
1:50:15
believe that Mike Johnson, our speaker was the one to say that
1:50:18
this was the biggest security failure for the Secret Service
1:50:21
since Ronald Reagan was shot. They gave us a timeline, a very
1:50:26
detailed timeline of what went on, but no real answers. And
1:50:29
they said, at this point, we're really not ruling anything out
1:50:33
that we have to continue the investigation, in a candid let
1:50:36
the facts lead us where they may. So of
1:50:38
John C Dvorak: course, to continue writing the script,
1:50:40
we're not we're not done with the script too many we get some
1:50:44
creative people, it takes them a while sometimes. Yeah. And you
1:50:46
Adam Curry: know, there was a strike, so it's hard to get them
1:50:48
back. So now we have all kinds of new reporting. Turns out
1:50:55
well, you know, we kind of had resource issues. That's why we
1:51:00
went all dei to get anybody in there that we could, some of
1:51:04
these secret service agents probably weren't even really,
1:51:07
you know, regular Secret Service agents, we have to sometimes get
1:51:11
local people turns out, just like I said, we're not living in
1:51:15
the West Wing people. This is not a Harrison Ford Presidential
1:51:18
movie. It's real life. Government sucks. They don't
1:51:23
protect anybody or anything. Not really. They don't protect you.
1:51:27
And, you know, even President Biden I got a picture from one
1:51:30
of our producers when he arrived at Delaware Air Force Base
1:51:37
Delaware. Yeah. He says I just got in with my regular
1:51:40
credentials went right up to the up to the fence took this
1:51:42
picture. I could have done anything. Could have done
1:51:45
anything at that. I could have picked him right off. Probably
1:51:49
yeah, because it's it's a hoax does
1:51:51
John C Dvorak: or is this when he went to Baphomet where is
1:51:53
that? Baphomet Delaware's? Really? Baphomet Are you kidding
1:51:58
me?
1:51:58
Adam Curry: Baphomet the he goes to Baphomet please tell me it's
1:52:02
Baphomet is there a bathroom? It? Oh, no, no, no, we
1:52:05
John C Dvorak: hold that over Jehovah the bathroom that some
1:52:09
Taos Baphomet
1:52:11
Adam Curry: he better not. Baphomet? No, there's no such
1:52:15
thing as bad from Delaware. But he may have gone to see Baphomet
1:52:21
I don't know. All right. So now you're
1:52:24
John C Dvorak: this is a short clip from Fox News. And this is
1:52:27
only part of the long, long, long clip on this, but I thought
1:52:30
it would at least it brings in another element of confusion and
1:52:34
Unknown: we continue to follow the latest here in Trump's
1:52:37
attempted assassination. We are getting big breaking news here
1:52:41
on this Friday. This is all recording. Josh Hawley. He has
1:52:47
whistleblowers coming to him that detail most of Trump's
1:52:51
security detail working the event last Saturday, we're not
1:52:56
even Secret Service. Again, we're not even Secret Service
1:53:01
Day, DHS assigned unprepared and inexperienced personnel. So this
1:53:08
is the letter A right now that Senator Josh Hawley just put out
1:53:14
to the Department of Homeland Security saying I write to raise
1:53:19
concerns brought to me by whistleblowers about your
1:53:22
department's stunning failure to protect former President Trump
1:53:26
on July 13 2024. As Secretary of Homeland Security, you are
1:53:30
ultimately responsible for your agency. And its components,
1:53:34
including the US Secret Service, whistleblowers who have direct
1:53:39
knowledge of the event have approached my office. According
1:53:42
to the allegations, the July 13 rally was considered to be a
1:53:46
loose security event.
1:53:50
Adam Curry: There's all kinds of stories out there.
1:53:53
John C Dvorak: And it doesn't make any sense with the fact
1:53:55
that supposedly another I think misdirection which is that Iran
1:53:59
has got a hit on Trump. Yeah, was my favorite. Yeah, so this
1:54:04
is just this is bordering on ridiculous, and it doesn't help
1:54:07
by the way with all the false flag narratives and the rest of
1:54:11
it. The whole thing is a joke,
1:54:13
Adam Curry: but we've all been conditioned to this. We've all
1:54:16
been conditioned to be looking at these things. Well, I mean,
1:54:20
this is so our comes razor for the show, at least, like come
1:54:23
on. We've seen this we've seen this script. We've seen the
1:54:26
reverse engineering of the of the actor, and it's so obvious
1:54:30
the kids stopped me he went got 50 rolls 50 rounds, man, that's
1:54:34
half a box but what is that? 50 rounds, nothing. Cut 50 rounds,
1:54:38
but
1:54:39
John C Dvorak: that's a pretty big bullet. Don't think that's
1:54:42
half of I think it's I think they come in 100 I don't think
1:54:46
that big bullet comes in 100 big bullet. It's a 556 is a big
1:54:51
bullet. It's
1:54:51
Adam Curry: not a 2002 You know, it's a 556
1:54:54
John C Dvorak: they they've discovered they fit rods been
1:54:58
brought out and just discussed The lot. That is a 556
1:55:03
Adam Curry: Douchebag Pat says 50 rounds in a box
1:55:06
John C Dvorak: of that big 556 bullet. I don't think so.
1:55:09
Adam Curry: 556 is not that big.
1:55:13
John C Dvorak: Okay, 5050 rounds in a box. So we bought a box.
1:55:18
One got a box, whatever you bought whatever he bought, he
1:55:20
took his dad's
1:55:21
Adam Curry: gun. The dad's like, hey, I can call a 911. We think
1:55:25
we don't know. Breaking this true to
1:55:27
John C Dvorak: we don't have any proof of back don't know
1:55:29
anything Russian. So no, the whole thing is bad. It's bad
1:55:33
morning.
1:55:34
Adam Curry: And before Biden resigned. Thank you everybody
1:55:37
for jumping in. Biden resigned. Thank you. I'm it's like people
1:55:41
are texting me.
1:55:42
John C Dvorak: Yes. A little late.
1:55:43
Adam Curry: I got you. That's okay. News travel. We
1:55:46
John C Dvorak: opened the show with Biden resigned. Not
1:55:48
Adam Curry: everyone. Not everybody had people just trying
1:55:50
to be helpful, just trying to be helpful. So, the word the
1:55:56
headlines were that Cheeto was going to resign, which she
1:56:00
better do because she didn't she wants to resign before she I
1:56:03
don't know if she can get out of this hearing. But you want some
1:56:07
ratings. Man Cheeto. Tomorrow is going to be fantastic. I
1:56:11
John C Dvorak: hate to say it, but you're right. So I'm going
1:56:14
to end up to go opening up the C span. Yeah. So
1:56:19
Adam Curry: Captain Obvious Jesse waters somehow got to
1:56:21
President Trump on in the studio. No one
1:56:25
Unknown: told you not to
1:56:26
take the stage. Nobody mentioned it. Nobody said there was a
1:56:28
problem. And I would have waited for 15. They could have said
1:56:32
let's wait for 15 minutes. 20 minutes, five minutes, something
1:56:36
nobody said I think that was a mistake. How did somebody get on
1:56:39
that roof? And why wasn't he reported because people saw that
1:56:43
he was on the roof. We knew had Trumpers screaming a woman in
1:56:49
the red in the red shirt. She was screaming in a man on the
1:56:53
roof and then other people's it is a man on the roof who's got a
1:56:56
gun? And that was quite a bit before I walked onto the stage.
1:57:01
So you would have thought somebody would have done
1:57:03
something about it? No.
1:57:05
Adam Curry: And I'm just gonna keep it where it is. FBI sting
1:57:08
typical six week cycle went wrong. Supposed to be Bang Bang
1:57:13
Trump was supposed to be cowering make him look all
1:57:16
scared running away. Maybe that's why the photographer was
1:57:19
there. Who got the who got the shot, you know, with the bullet
1:57:22
flying through the air, which Thank you. At least 100
1:57:25
photographers have told us this is completely possible. Not
1:57:29
crazy. Not fake. Not phony. So calm down every mostly
1:57:34
John C Dvorak: about that one. 8000s. Shutter speed. More notes
1:57:38
on that than anything.
1:57:39
Adam Curry: Yeah, calm down. I
1:57:40
John C Dvorak: don't think we said it was impossible. Did we?
1:57:42
I
1:57:43
Adam Curry: know. You actually said bullcrap. But it's okay. I
1:57:46
said bull crap. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. People are more upset
1:57:51
about your tip of the day than that. Trust me. So
1:57:54
John C Dvorak: they are they're upset about them. I'm going to
1:57:56
stop doing Tip of the day because they get so much blow
1:57:59
for you don't get that was Oh crap.
1:58:03
Adam Curry: Oh, by entities that people love you. Hey, you know
1:58:07
you're over the target when you're getting Flack. Oh,
1:58:12
John C Dvorak: yeah, must be it.
1:58:14
Adam Curry: Alright, I'm gonna close the conspiracy. Well, no,
1:58:16
I'm gonna keep the door open for a minute because we gotta go
1:58:18
into the next piece, which is critically important. Lo and
1:58:22
behold, on the Bill Maher show, which I just happen to catch on
1:58:26
CNN because I was prepping last night. And you know I was having
1:58:32
scanning through the channels just to see if I need to clip
1:58:34
anything which by the way, YouTube TV, here's a tip of the
1:58:36
day. YouTube TV is so awesome for that because you can just
1:58:40
stop it. Click back a little bit, get my clip machine going
1:58:44
roll it got the clip. Fantastic. And that's how I got who told
1:58:47
you this? You did. So it should have been Tip of the Day. It
1:58:51
should
1:58:51
John C Dvorak: have been Yeah, YouTube TV is dynamite because
1:58:53
of his virtual record fueled recording system is a virtual
1:58:57
PCR and you can basically record everything and it keeps it for
1:59:02
like 90 days. Yeah,
1:59:03
Adam Curry: I mean, I've already got all my favorite Olympic
1:59:05
sports lined up as great recording fencing.
1:59:09
John C Dvorak: I doubt well you'd have that but that would
1:59:11
be the only one no and athletic. Yes, that's not gay enough for
1:59:15
you. Fencing is wow. The I'm sorry that it was uncalled for
1:59:21
fencing
1:59:22
Adam Curry: is anything but gay. That's a real man sport.
1:59:26
John C Dvorak: Without all the protective gear I say yes.
1:59:30
Adam Curry: So who shows up for the opening interview on Bill
1:59:33
Maher show? Mayor Pete. Pete Buda judge, very interesting.
1:59:39
Spoke better than he usually does. Should
1:59:42
Unknown: Joe Biden have fired the Secret Service head. I mean,
1:59:46
I don't understand that. I'm
1:59:48
not in on all the details of the Homeland Security side. I know
1:59:51
there's really serious after action report and process and a
1:59:55
whole lot of scrutiny going on there. I think you know,
1:59:58
everything that led up to that moment that horrible moment is
2:00:01
under a microscope. And I believe that President Biden in
2:00:03
the administration will do the right thing. But you didn't
2:00:05
need a microscope to see it. Yeah, but you also was on the
2:00:08
roof. Like, like, not that far away with a rifle for a long
2:00:13
time. I mean, I know. I've seen people fired for less. And it
2:00:17
just looks bad. It looks like Well, the other guy from the
2:00:20
other party got shot, we'll look into it. If we got time. I think
2:00:24
it's doing something of this gravity happens. You don't just
2:00:27
dash off a decision, you do a comprehensive process to find
2:00:30
every single piece of anything that could go wrong. And then
2:00:33
there's going to be accountability, and there's
2:00:35
going to be changed. I'm sure of that. Again, I'm not in the
2:00:37
middle that obviously that's not my lane. But I know that's
2:00:39
what's going
2:00:39
Adam Curry: on I lane, that's not my lane. It's not his lane.
2:00:42
So it's like, well, we know what pizza lane is.
2:00:45
John C Dvorak: So Whoa, that well, that's what triggered me
2:00:48
on the other thing.
2:00:50
Adam Curry: That's that's what happened. So then he gets into
2:00:53
JD Vance. And I have a few things to say about JD Vance,
2:00:56
because I've done some reflection and thinking about
2:00:58
it. And all of a sudden became incredibly clear to me,
2:01:02
actually, Thursday night when I was watching JD Vance. And and
2:01:07
you know, and his wife and just seeing all the dynamics
2:01:10
happening. JD Vance, of course, people have a lot of issues with
2:01:15
him, mainly because he switched from a never Trumper which Vance
2:01:20
himself says, Well, that was, you know, I was 30. I said dumb
2:01:23
things. And I got three girls around 30. And I agree with
2:01:27
that. When you're 30. I've said dumb stuff when I was 30. But he
2:01:31
changed his tune. Then of course, there's the very
2:01:34
problematic connection to the PayPal Mafia to Elon and to
2:01:40
teal. And he was in the, you know, was a venture capital guy
2:01:45
and now and teal helped him win Ohio and it went so fast and he
2:01:50
changed his name. You know, he changed his last name. He
2:01:54
changed his first name, manufactured candidates. So
2:01:57
let's hear from Mayor Pete.
2:01:59
Unknown: I know a lot of guys like JD Vance. I run into a lot
2:02:02
of guys like him not so much. When I was growing up at Diageo.
2:02:05
Peter Thiel is his big backer. Yeah, for sure. Okay, if people
2:02:09
aren't who that is, he started PayPal. If he's gay, he's a
2:02:12
billionaire. I mean, I've had a couple of people who knew you
2:02:15
were coming on this week's Ask Pete. What do you thinks about
2:02:18
Peter Thiel being so in love with JD Vance who is against
2:02:21
flatly against gay marriage? So
2:02:24
I think it's a profound contradiction, but maybe it's
2:02:26
not that complicated. I know. There are a lot of folks who say
2:02:28
what's going on with some of these Silicon Valley folks
2:02:31
veering into Trump world with the JD Vance and backing Trump.
2:02:35
What are they thinking still come Valley's supposed to be you
2:02:37
know, they're supposed to care about climate they're supposed
2:02:39
to be, you know, our pro science and rational and libertarians.
2:02:42
Normally, Libertarians don't like authoritarians. What's up
2:02:45
with that? I think it's actually we've made it wait. These are
2:02:49
very rich men who've decided to back the Republican Party that
2:02:54
tends to do good things for very rich men.
2:03:03
That's kind of what you're getting is. That's kind of what
2:03:08
you're getting with Jay do. Right. So I knew a lot of people
2:03:12
like him. When when I got to Harvard, I found a lot of people
2:03:14
like him who would say whatever they needed to get ahead. And
2:03:19
five years ago, that seemed like being the anti Trump
2:03:22
Republicans. So that's what he was talking about how he was on
2:03:25
fitted, how he was cynical, called him an OP fighter, which
2:03:29
is kind of a weird thing to say about a person but definitely a
2:03:31
really good I mean, for somebody whose identity is that they're
2:03:38
connected to Appalachia, which has an opioid crisis. That
2:03:41
really is the darkest thing you could possibly say about Donald
2:03:45
Trump.
2:03:46
Adam Curry: Okay, so first thing we need to look at is the
2:03:48
Silicon Valley connection Trump talked about, talked about the
2:03:53
power needed for AI is like, Yeah, I'll get you as much power
2:03:56
as you want. Drill, baby drill, by the way, before I forget,
2:03:58
Trump also told gave a signal to the military industrial complex,
2:04:05
but you heard him say, big, beautiful ship being built here.
2:04:08
Big beautiful ship and an Iron Dome around America. Does it get
2:04:13
any better? The contracts are being written as we speak, so
2:04:17
there'll be no war, but we'll have finally Reagan Star Wars,
2:04:21
or as Trump called it spaceship or whatever
2:04:25
John C Dvorak: he has, he screwed it up.
2:04:27
Adam Curry: I mean, he set up Space Force. So we're going to
2:04:30
have an Iron Dome. Perfect. So there's your military guys.
2:04:33
They're like, Oh, okay, well, good. We got lucky with that a
2:04:36
lot of work to do. But bringing in the Silicon Valley, money
2:04:40
people who are as we've discussed horrors, because
2:04:45
they're Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter whoever is
2:04:48
going to be their guy who was going to and that's what Peter
2:04:52
Thiel was doing. He was of course funding JD Vance. Let's
2:04:55
get him in. You know, then we because you know, he understands
2:05:00
And he can get the regulation lifted on AI because those guys
2:05:03
still believe in it. They gotta believe in something. Crypto
2:05:07
regulation, Bitcoin. All of that makes total sense. And just to
2:05:11
give you a little idea of I mean, this blew my mind.
2:05:15
Zuckerberg Zuckerberg even saying things like this,
2:05:20
Unknown: I've done some stuff personally in the past, I'm not
2:05:22
planning on doing that this time. And that includes, you
2:05:25
know, not endorsing either of the candidates. Now, look, I'm
2:05:29
there's obviously a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world.
2:05:31
I've been to historic events over the last, like, over the
2:05:33
weekend. And I mean, a personal note, it's, yeah, I mean, seeing
2:05:38
Donald Trump get get up after getting shot in the face, and
2:05:43
pump his fist in the air with the American flag is one of the
2:05:48
most badass things I've ever seen in my life. But, but look,
2:05:52
I mean, it's, you know, as I think like, it's some level as
2:05:56
an American, it's like, look look hard to not get kind of
2:05:59
emotional about that spirit. And that fight. And I think that
2:06:03
that's why a lot of people, like the guy,
2:06:06
Adam Curry: Mark Zuckerberg has no emotional bone in his body.
2:06:10
He's like, Oh, regulation for Facebook, facebook, you know,
2:06:13
Trump's gonna hate me because now we kicked them off. And so
2:06:18
so it's very normal for a guy like Trump to bring in the
2:06:22
Silicon Valley clan, bring in the money, bring all the big
2:06:26
boys in, bring in the social media guys, Elon, what flipped
2:06:30
on a dime said he never endorsed any candidate makes total sense.
2:06:34
Now we get to, will he be reliable? Can you trust him as a
2:06:39
vice president? Will he be a true partner five
2:06:42
Unknown: years later, one way he gets ahead is that he's the
2:06:44
greatest guy since sliced bread. And actually watch this exact
2:06:47
same process with somebody else I got to know, in my days in the
2:06:51
Midwest, which was my former governor, Mike Pence, who I
2:06:54
watched start out as an evangelical Christian who cared
2:06:57
about rectitude and family values, and then get on board
2:07:01
with a guy who was mixed up with a porn star, make excuses for
2:07:05
him, so that he could have power. And then he did. He got
2:07:08
four glorious years, I guess, as vice president United States.
2:07:13
And it ended on the west front of the Capitol with Trump
2:07:17
supporters proposing that he be hanged for using the one shred
2:07:21
of integrity, he still had to stand up to an attempt to
2:07:24
overthrow the government. So I guess, maybe not as a
2:07:26
politician, but as a human being. What I'll say is that I
2:07:29
hope things work out a little bit better for JD Vance.
2:07:35
Adam Curry: All right. What does everyone get all panties all in
2:07:39
a bunch about the connection to the intelligence community
2:07:43
because Peter Thiel Palantir Whitney Webb WOTUS wrote a 6800
2:07:50
word essay about JD Vance, the man behind Trump's VP, VP pick
2:07:56
is worse than you think. Intelligence. totally new thing
2:08:01
for me information awareness. This is the worst thing Trump is
2:08:04
a dummy. He's an idiot. He's bringing in the intelligence.
2:08:08
We're gonna be all under surveillance. 24/7 Welcome to my
2:08:12
office here in the conspiracy therapist. suite of offices.
2:08:19
Trump is smart. When when pence became untrustworthy, he just
2:08:28
says guys a loser. When JD Vance is untrustworthy, guys, a loser
2:08:33
will know very quickly. But first, you're bringing in the
2:08:37
Silicon Valley billionaires. And he's an art of an art of war
2:08:43
guy. You keep your friends close, but your enemies even
2:08:47
closer. Of course, you want the intelligence community in your
2:08:51
vice president. So you can miss direct, you can give me a little
2:08:54
bit of information, see where it comes back. This is a brilliant
2:08:58
move. You want the intel community? You want to know who
2:09:02
the guy is? I think Vance is probably reasonably smart, but
2:09:06
maybe not super smart. This is exactly what you want to do.
2:09:12
Because the intelligence community is the danger. So this
2:09:16
I mean, I cannot agree with all of these. These people getting
2:09:21
their panties in a bunch and getting all spun up. This is
2:09:24
what you want. You want a president who knows what the
2:09:27
Intel communities are doing? Because he's got them in the
2:09:30
office next door. And he knows the guy. This is what you do.
2:09:35
You want to find a leak in your company. Give some information
2:09:38
to somebody that only that person has. See where it comes
2:09:41
out. I'm closing the door.
2:09:48
John C Dvorak: Does sound effect Yes.
2:09:49
Adam Curry: So don't worry everybody. Now, will trump stay
2:09:53
alive? I mean, I heard this morning. There was what's his
2:09:57
face Sorkin Sorkin who wrote the West Wing didn't eat and Sorkin
2:10:02
write the West Wing and was one of the one of the West Wing
2:10:05
producers. Andrew Ross Sorkin.
2:10:07
John C Dvorak: I don't think so. I thought he was I think you're
2:10:10
thinking of the other guy who is the well, we'll just keep
2:10:14
talking about check it out. Okay. Yeah. You know, we don't
2:10:17
have to guess. Yes, please.
2:10:24
Adam Curry: So he's, he does an op ed in in the Aaron
2:10:31
John C Dvorak: Sorkin
2:10:32
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. That's why I was confused. Well, Andrew
2:10:35
Ross Sorkin isn't is a weenie anyway. He does an op ed in the
2:10:39
New York Times and he says, Joe Biden out the solution. Mitt
2:10:44
Romney, the Democrats should run Mitt Romney which I think is
2:10:50
probably what Vivek was been talking about. Oh, no. Oh, no.
2:10:55
The Who are they? You watch you they're gonna pick you watch and
2:10:57
we'll never be Trump to hate so they actually suggest Mitt
2:11:01
Romney for the Democrats. How about that?
2:11:04
John C Dvorak: That's very funny. If it was a humor column
2:11:06
I take it down
2:11:07
Adam Curry: on unfortunately these guys are void of any humor
2:11:12
so I think that's about all we all we can answer right and
2:11:16
wrong. That's about all we can answer right now. Because
2:11:19
breaking news, nobody knows anything. We have no information
2:11:22
there bill. We're
2:11:23
John C Dvorak: not gonna get any more than we're doing our
2:11:25
analysis as far as it goes.
2:11:27
Adam Curry: And with that, I'd like to thank you for your
2:11:28
courage say in the morning to you the man who put the C in the
2:11:30
can inspectors say hello to my friend on the other end, the one
2:11:33
and only Mr. John.
2:11:39
John C Dvorak: Good morning to you, Michelle and Kareem is
2:11:41
watching graphene near subs in the water. And all the names of
2:11:43
knights out there.
2:11:45
Adam Curry: Well, we are an hour late. Wow, I'm pretty impressed.
2:11:52
Actually. 20 899 Two hours in.
2:11:58
Unknown: That's good.
2:11:59
Adam Curry: That's good. That's a great number. Hello, trolls.
2:12:01
Good to have you here. Of course, we had 1000 come in to
2:12:05
tell us that Biden quit. So we appreciate you guys so much that
2:12:11
matches
2:12:11
John C Dvorak: the price equipment he did. I thought it's
2:12:13
gonna go another week at least. Well, I mean,
2:12:15
Adam Curry: I had Thursday night, you know, so I was that
2:12:17
was I was. I was close. Well, we had we had a different
2:12:21
distraction, because it was but no cigar. They didn't get the
2:12:24
jet card. So they had to come up. Which brings us to the bonus
2:12:27
clip. Oh, look at that. Is that something that you sent that I
2:12:31
don't have? No,
2:12:32
John C Dvorak: I have it right here. No, it's on the list by
2:12:34
his bonus for the we always like to say that people are nations.
2:12:38
Yes.
2:12:38
Adam Curry: But for the for the bonus clip? Yes. Okay.
2:12:41
John C Dvorak: Blyden not going anywhere.
2:12:45
Unknown: President Joe Biden's campaign meanwhile, continues to
2:12:48
insist this weekend that Biden will not step down as the
2:12:51
Democratic presidential candidate calls for Biden to
2:12:54
drop out of the race have continued to grow with the
2:12:57
latest coming from a senator from the Midwest. NPRs Elena
2:13:00
more explains,
2:13:01
we saw Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio come forward. And he's in a
2:13:05
really competitive race this fall. And he argues that the
2:13:09
speculation around Biden's political future is actually
2:13:12
taking away from the messaging around issues that he is trying
2:13:16
to use to keep his seat you know, and you know, he was
2:13:18
actually the fourth senator to call for Biden to step aside and
2:13:22
there's been more than two dozen elected House Democrats who have
2:13:25
said the same thing
2:13:29
John C Dvorak: this weekend he's not quitting no not quit just so
2:13:32
you get that out. Yeah. All right. So there's these reports
2:13:35
are bogus I guess because today is part of the weekend
2:13:37
Adam Curry: now and we've been calling we've been telling this
2:13:39
is gonna happen. We were so clear. It was obvious that it
2:13:43
only happened two days later. Not bad. Not bad.
2:13:47
Unknown: So three, actually.
2:13:50
Adam Curry: Okay, three, still pretty close. We had the number
2:13:54
right and you watch the jet card will be a part of it. Along with
2:13:57
the foundation. Excuse me, along with the foundation 100 million
2:14:01
dollars. It's gonna be some money. Yeah, seed money. Party,
2:14:07
everybody party at Hunter's house. So those trolls that we
2:14:11
just counted are in the troll room troll room.io You can find
2:14:14
that 24/7 There's always trolls hanging out there. It's part of
2:14:17
the no agenda stream empire. We have shows on there all the
2:14:20
time. As I said 24/7 Some of them are the podcast had been
2:14:25
recorded previously or we do have a schedule so us or bemrose
2:14:28
schedules everything nicely. So you whenever you go in there,
2:14:31
there's something fresh a lot of live shows. Darren O'Neil does
2:14:33
his live show before our Thursday and Sunday shows and
2:14:37
and often there's a live show afterwards. Let me see. Do we
2:14:39
have a live show after today? Oh, yes. Yeah. Unrelenting. I
2:14:46
don't know if that's live or not, but they're doing the
2:14:47
CrowdStrike chaos so it's a good place to hang out. And you can
2:14:53
also use a modern podcast app, which will alert you when we go
2:14:57
live or any of these shows go live really which is kind of
2:14:59
cool. And it also tells you within 90 seconds of us
2:15:02
publishing your show if you couldn't listen live that it's
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there. It's got chapters with cool art. Dred Scott does those
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for us. It's got transcripts. It's got a Hootenanny of
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