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John C Dvorak: violation of the
Logan Act.
Unknown: Adam curry, John C.
Devora.
Adam Curry: Thursday, July
25 2020. For the show award
winning nation media
assassination episode 1680. This
Unknown: is no agenda,
unburdened
Adam Curry: by what has been and
broadcasting live from the heart
of the Texas hill country here
in FEMA Region number six.
Morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where we realize
that four ways to pronounce
Camela and they're all racist.
And Jhansi. Dvorak was kill
Adam Curry: you Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's it. It's so boring.
But racism is back.
John C Dvorak: That's about
time. Well, we
Adam Curry: racism has been been
gone for far too long. I agree.
I did a show with Moe yesterday.
John C Dvorak: And with show
number was that
Adam Curry: 99? Oh, yeah, that's
almost the last one.
John C Dvorak: Right? Yeah,
we'll see.
Adam Curry: What does that even
me?
John C Dvorak: Well, you guys
brought, you know, most you
know, it has this rationale for
wanting to quit because he's
actually worked works for a
living. Yeah. He put his number
100. But I just don't. I doubt
it. Okay. Oh, this Tiki
boastfully shit.
Adam Curry: Thanks. Well, he
said, he said it's all gonna be
racism. This is this is it? I
mean, it's it wasn't that hard
to predict. But he said that he
took it one step further.
Actually. He says he knows who
the VP pick is going to be.
Well, first, let me let me just
make it
John C Dvorak: really. Oh, well,
I'm interested in this now.
Because I wrote a whole at
substack on it. Yeah.
Adam Curry: What did you and I
saw it come through. It's in my
reading stack. I've not read it
yet. Well,
John C Dvorak: you should have
read it. I'm horrible. Nothing
else is for the unbelievable art
that I got from Darren O'Neal.
Huh?
Adam Curry: This is a divorce.
act.substack.com. Yeah. The
OASAS.
John C Dvorak: Right, you can
actually quickly look
Adam Curry: at the art. I'm
gonna take Oh, yeah, that's some
good AI art right there.
John C Dvorak: It's really good
AI art.
Adam Curry: It's just enjoy it
while it lasts. We'll talk about
it later.
John C Dvorak: I have some AI
clips to Yeah, good. So my
thinking was my thing is that
she should pick Shapiro from
Pennsylvania so she can get that
state. Well, but he's Jewish.
Adam Curry: This is what most
said. He says too much Jew.
She's already married to a Jew.
There'll be too much Jewish Not
gonna happen.
John C Dvorak: I agree with
that. I think
Adam Curry: you No, no, no, no,
no, I he came up with a very
surprising pick, which I had not
thought about. But then I looked
at the guy. I'm like, Yeah, also
the denials. Here it is. Okay,
who here it is. So give it a
more, as you well know, your
name is been mentioned among
many as a possible running mate
for vice president Harris. Have
you heard from her campaign? And
even if not, would you be
interested? So this is Westmore,
the governor of Maryland? Who
has the look he's got. He's a
Rhodes Scholar. I mean, come on.
And so the question is quite
clear. MSNBC morning, Joe. How
are you? Are you going to do it?
Unknown: You know, I'm very I'm
very flattered that, that the
calls and encouragement continue
to come in. And I think people
are paying attention to what's
happening here in Maryland. You
know, if you look at just in our
time in office, we've gone from
being 43rd in the country and
unemployment to now having
amongst the lowest unemployment
rates in the entire country were
2.8%. Right now, if you look at
where we are, in terms of public
safety, Maryland has had amongst
the steepest drops in homicides
and violent crime in the entire
country during that same period.
So I'm really thankful and and,
and humbled that people are
paying attention what's
happening here in Maryland, I
will do anything to make sure
that Vice President Harris
becomes the next president of
the United States. I think it's
that important to our state. I
think it's that important to our
country. I think it's
John C Dvorak: no, no democracy.
Unknown: No, I am in love with
my job. And I'm in love with the
people of my state. And I'm very
happy to continue serving as the
governor of the state of
Maryland.
Adam Curry: That's what you
always say. You always say no,
I'm happy with my job. I'm happy
with my job until you get paid.
I'm like And I want to be vice
president. He's got everything.
He's got arms, you know, bigger
than my thighs. He's got a you
know, a clean slick look. I
think Moe is onto something here
and he says that the only thing
the Democrat party can do is go
full on racism and you can only
do that if you have an all black
ticket. I don't think it'll work
but that seems that seems what
they want to do. That's
John C Dvorak: not going to
happen. I Democrats are
practical is that that point,
and I don't even think she's
going to pick the guy.
Adam Curry: I like the idea. I
like it. Let me just give you a
few more. A few more points
here. Because obviously, it's to
recapture the black vote,
particularly the black men, that
seems to be the problem. Let's
go to tick tock for a second.
Here's will,
Unknown: if the Democratic Party
wants the black male vote. I'm
not too sure they get it with
Kamala Harris, but I know what
she's going to do. She's going
to do exactly what the
Republicans just did in
Milwaukee, without without
sister Amber Rose, and with Hulk
Hogan. Wait till you see the
Negro pins are going to speak at
the Democratic Negro peons is a
new word for me and I like it
national convention is going to
be a complete circus. I'm
telling you what they're going
to do. I believe they are going
to grab the rappers and they're
going to grab the athletes,
they're going to find someone
extremely popular within the hip
hop industry, and the
entertainment world to speak for
Kamala Harris, or whomsoever the
Democratic Party convention
nominates. I promise you,
because they have to outdo Hulk
Hogan, and they have to outdo
Amber Rose Dan, of
Adam Curry: course, they're
already reaching back to the
High Priestess of all things
Beelzebub.
Unknown: You might hear that
Beyonce song a lot over the next
few months that 32 time Grammy
winner has given vice president
Harris permission to use
freedom. Throughout her run for
the White House. Beyonce who is
known for maintaining very
strict guidelines clearance
guidelines around
Adam Curry: music, gave quick
approval to the Harris campaign
just hours before she walked out
to the song yesterday. Freedom
debuted on Beyonce 2016 album,
lemonade, and then here's Ben
Jones, who was ramping it all
up.
Unknown: You start insulting
black women. You hear that job?
You're gonna see something you
haven't seen before. Black men
are not going to put up with
that. I was on a phone call with
20,000 Black men.
Adam Curry: Were at some party
line van.
Unknown: The word protect came
Adam Curry: up about 1000 20,000
blank.
Unknown: Protect this sister,
protect the sister. We're going
to protect her. Protect her
you're about to see something
you haven't seen before. Your
you look people messed around
with Hillary Clinton and said a
bunch of mean stuff to her black
men set that out. We won't set
this out. So I don't think that
the Republican Party understands
that all the work that they did,
trying to get us over there. Two
more days of this is gonna be a
problem. Okay.
Adam Curry: So the definitely
doing the racism thing. I
understand that it's a it's a
off the wall pick by Mo but I
I'd like it. I think it would be
great.
John C Dvorak: Just not in a
million years. Democrats aren't
idiots. Really?
Adam Curry: They're pretty evil
when it comes to this.
John C Dvorak: I didn't say they
weren't evil. I said they
weren't idiots. They know
they're going to lose. They
don't know they're going to
lose. That's That's nonsense.
They're going to pick some
bounce something to bounce the
ticket out and Cooper's their
best bet he's the most
milquetoast guy this. Who's this
paper guy who's the Cooper, he's
the governor of North Carolina,
and he's the guy who, which is a
swing state, unlike Maryland,
which is pretty much a red
state.
Adam Curry: Roy Asbury Cooper
the third. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: But I mean, she,
they should pick Shapiro, he's
perfect. Shapiro is great.
Actually, he should be picked
up. But they're not going to do
that. Because I think she
doesn't like jews. You know,
where there's too much Jews,
like you said. And the topic
that could be foisted on her
which is the laughable pick is
this guy, Kelly from Arizona.
Now
Adam Curry: from what I hear,
that's who Obama supposedly
actually wanted to be running on
running and running the ticket
instead of Biden. That's just
what I hear. So I don't know
what's true like Kelly. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Have you seen
this guy? Yeah, no, well, the
Adam Curry: the bonus of this
guy's he's got a twin brother.
So we can campaign twice as
much?
John C Dvorak: Well, let's be
Adam Curry: honest, that would
be pretty good.
John C Dvorak: But he's, he is
one of those bald farts that
looks like it and I described
him in the news in the substack
column as a Marine drill
sergeant type that is just
offensive is offensive and
putting him alongside Kamla to
be like a or Kamala or Kamala or
Kamala or Kamala or Camelot.
There's a lot of ways
Adam Curry: is it differently
herself all the time to or in
fact
John C Dvorak: she came out was
I would like to for somebody to
find this clip. where she was
going on about how it doesn't
matter how you pronounce her
name. But everyone's all bent
out of shape about the
pronunciation. If she putting
her next to this guy, that's
just a bad look. It's kind of
young and vibrant and you know,
and this guy looks like an old
fart, grouchy, old man and Roy
Adam Curry: doesn't look like an
old grumpy old fart
John C Dvorak: coupe not like
this don't like Kelly.
Adam Curry: I Cooper looks
pretty, pretty decrepit man, you
know, guy. And let me play a
couple more racism clips. Get it
out of the way. Here's the view.
And
Unknown: that's why I'm
encouraging women. Regardless of
what your mix is who you are
mix, this is an opportunity to
write this ship. Yeah. Okay.
This is very important.
Adam Curry: Very important.
John C Dvorak: Because she was
gonna poop in her pants to vote
for Biden. Now she's turned on I
think
Unknown: I'm gonna say is
listen.
She
is ready. I'm sure it's a little
freaky, freaky, because I don't
think that she was anticipating
this, but it's not like, scary
to her. She knows what she's
doing in
there. She's a second cheer to
him through all of these amazing
ends of this administration. The
last thing I'm gonna tell you,
you were wondering about black
jobs. There is one
Adam Curry: die that's hilarious
will be now everything I see
points toward trying to get the
young generation get them in on
it. And for sure, I'm hearing
well, Trump represents old white
racist America Kamala represents
something new this by the way
from people who I don't think
have any intention of voting at
all. But but you know, but it'll
it'll look cool. And of course
she's completely using the brat
XC X colors on our campaign and,
and, you know, neither of you
had ever heard of what's her
face? Charlie sex before but
we're getting an education
Unknown: and the Harris campaign
is seeing growing support from
an unexpected source fans of pop
sensation, Charlie FCX, we
think you just fell out of a
coconut tree.
All in which you live and
you're just watching one of the
many edits of Kamala Harris over
songs from Charlie FCX is viral
album brat. Thursday KAMAZ
energy matches the album's
message of enjoying life, in
spite of the struggles that
you're facing. But Eclipse
caught the attention of Charlie
FCX who seemingly endorsed
Harris boasting Kamala is Brett
on x.
Adam Curry: So these memes is
really the popularity that
Harris has because she's so
idiotic. My stepdaughter came
out of out of surgery yesterday.
And the first thing she says is,
do you think you fell out of a
coconut tree? I mean, that's
that's how deeply ingrained
these memes are, as reported by
Reuters in the most boring way
possible,
Unknown: give us some of these
key means that we should know
about so we don't embarrass
ourselves in front of our
younger colleagues when they
come up. Users
calling Kamala brat and that is
after Popstar Charlie, sex is
very recent and viral album,
also called brat. And Brad The
singer has explained via a
recent Tiktok refers to quote
that girl who is a little messy
and likes to party and like
maybe says some like dumb
things, sometimes perfect
presidential material, who like
feels herself but then also like
maybe has a breakdown and social
media users have taken this new
viral album and really used it
to show their support for Harris
calling her brand and stitching
videos together video edits of
her being goofy dancing, walking
deplaning, off of Air Force to
to show that they support her
and like her. Yeah,
Adam Curry: but they no one none
of these kids is going to even
if they're old enough, they're
not going to vote for her. This
is a losing proposition. But
Reuters has more coconut
Unknown: tree. Please explain.
That stems from a 2023 event
that Kamala did a speech for it
was a White House event and in
that speech, there's a there's a
part where Harris is quoting her
mother actually and she starts
off and says, You think you just
fell out of a coconut tree in
the context
of all in which you live in came
before you. Over
the past months, we've been
seeing social media users taking
that clip, and stitching it to
use in their own videos either
by lip syncing over it, or using
it as a sound as a backdrop to
their videos. And it's actually
been co opted by a lot of Harris
supporters online who have now
taken to flagging their support
for Harris via a coconut emoji
and a palm tree emoji.
Adam Curry: That's a winning
strategy. I think coconut
emojis, palm tree emojis that's
gonna win.
John C Dvorak: I think your
basic analysis Yeah, that these
people are going to vote. It's
right on the money. Now,
Adam Curry: there's already a
complete redo of history
underway, which is just
phenomenal to see this is your
media deconstruction, where we
all know that she was put in
charge of the border at the
almost in a mean way. And we all
saw it, like give that crap to
Kamala. So Joe doesn't have to
deal with I agree.
John C Dvorak: I agree. It was
done it. It was done
specifically to embarrass her.
And so
Adam Curry: the media and these
this is a short mini cut about a
minute minute, seven seconds.
And it's only MSNBC and CNN and
it's interspersed of them
calling her the borders are
which is exactly what she was
dubbed. And now saying that's
not true,
Unknown: quote unquote, borders.
Our Vice President Harris was
not a borders are
being time vice president and
borders are Kamala Harris facing
some backlash what
he said about Harris and
immigration was not true. She
was never appointed borders.
And this will be her first visit
to the US Mexico border region
since she was appointed as the
borders are by President Biden
people
that have to counter the
misinformation you already hear
folks talking about the borders
are she wasn't the borders are
President Biden tapped Kamala
Harris vice president Kamala
Harris to be the borders are
she wasn't the borders are.
That's what Republicans labeled
her they were very critical
of Kamala Harris especially in
her role as borders are now
what she's up against his folks
lying about her border record
calling
her borders are
Adam Curry: Kamala Harris, who
Unknown: was appointed as the
borders are
the Biden team didn't declare
her the borders are
they wanted her to work on
kind of the root causes of
immigration
there has been so much criticism
against Kamala Harris you know
she was the borders are
calling her sort of the borders
are
which wasn't necessarily the
case for the border if
they weren't planning to address
it in a major way do not make
her your borders are
she met with some of the
Northern Triangle countries but
nothing has effectively changed?
Adam Curry: I mean it's amazing
actually I was even came out
with a statement you know, she
was never the borders are a by
the way we made a mistake. We're
going to correct that now. We
mistakenly called her boarders
are but we were wrong.
John C Dvorak: You know, these
guys it's always the same group
as the Atlantic magazine CNN and
MSNBC and Axios to a lesser
extent they they're their gas
lighters, but there seems to me
they're gaslighting themselves.
Adam Curry: Oh yeah. They have
to gaslight themselves into
believing they're basically
John C Dvorak: gaslighting
themselves. And they're all in
it's embarrassing to watch.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: but people forget
now people forget Oh, forget
John C Dvorak: that much.
Especially when you This is well
okay. They forget to a point.
But that's what advertising is
for? Well, that's
Adam Curry: this is what
repetition is just a Republican
said that is not true. That's
that's how it works is
repetitions repetition, just say
it often enough. Now, the other
thing that to me was a blatant
lie, was this, she raised a
billion dollars, at 1 million
100 million 121 million. She's
raised all this money. Let's
talk about the money for a
second. And I think it's kind of
obvious what happened here. This
is on the media,
Unknown: you can't give money
from one candidate to another,
there's very small amounts are
allowed.
But you said it could go to the
DNC, therefore, the money could
end up in support of whoever the
nominee turned out,
right. But then that money is
not as valuable in the hands of
the DNC for two reasons. First,
the DNC would not be able to
coordinate messaging to the
extent it uses that money, you'd
have to have actually like a
separate group that would spend
this money. It's one of the
weird quirks of our campaign
finance system. The other thing
is the candidates get the lowest
cost for commercials on TV by
law. And so the money is more
valuable in the hands of a
candidate. It's in the hands of
a party. So it matters if it
stays in the hands of the party.
Adam Curry: So the way I see it,
I think, you know, there's a lot
I don't know if it's true or
not, but there's a lot of talk
about $50 million dollars coming
from one donor, which I think is
probably true. And then there's
about 30 million that the DNC
could get or can go to Kamala
and then an extra million of
people who actually donated
little little to one dollar $50
donation that's how they came up
with 81. This is all marketing.
Unknown: This I agree.
John C Dvorak: We talked about
this on horror with show. Yes.
Adam Curry: And I called him
which
John C Dvorak: is funny. Inside.
Yeah so where's the auditor?
This is it's just a way to say
hey look at doing the bandwagon
is underway get on board. This
is bullcrap these numbers are
fake.
Adam Curry: They're fake. I
think so to think so too. And I
love it.
John C Dvorak: Especially so
quickly before anyone had got
got a chance to take a breath. I
have a clip of went live Camela.
Yeah. This is erase
Adam Curry: the racist. It's
Kamala
John C Dvorak: Harris by this is
the Harris by Harris. Harris by
Unknown: Well, well, well. I
knew this day would come. Come
No. That sounds it in my
ovaries.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no. This
is one of those women on Tiktok.
Unknown: I didn't think that
sticking all those needles in
that Biden doll would help it
here. Good. I'm gonna have so
much fun. I've been a little
busy since the news broke. And,
you know, I was galvanizing with
many donors. And I asked my good
friend John Claude Van Damme
peer speech so here it goes.
Nothing. Oh, say can you see By
the dawn's early light. John
con. I don't want to talk about
Don in the speech. Okay, I think
you're confused. Yeah, hanging
around Joe just really fucked
you up. All right. I'm gonna do
this my way. All right. I got
this far. Okay, America, and
Willie. Get ready. Because it is
time to unburden what has been.
Adam Curry: You know, I can't
believe that all these women who
imitate Kamala clearly listen to
our show.
John C Dvorak: A must. I agree.
She looks like she stole that
this is SD penalty pa LTI. Yeah.
And she's one of the I think she
I think was regressed who's
good. As she doesn't I would
like to hear a little more.
Nasal nasal. She's nasal but I
don't think she's nasal enough.
And well, while
Adam Curry: we're producing Yes.
Well, what we want is we want to
we want some no agenda drops. We
want to calmly saying something
funny about us. That's what we
want. That's what we should have
had. We should have had that two
years ago. Yep. Yeah. And and
our girl fell through she's, uh,
yeah, I'm gonna do it. And then
she never did.
John C Dvorak: But whatever
happened to her?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
don't know. She got a cease and
desist probably.
John C Dvorak: Like could be.
Did you see? Yeah. You
Adam Curry: see Chuck Schumer
announcing his unwavering and
enthusiastic support for for
Kamala, the clinching the
nomination kind of presumptive.
Vnus.
John C Dvorak: And the great
thing about this, if you have
the clip, I do the great thing
about this is if you have the
whole clip, I don't he he says
it's grassroots grassroots.
Yeah, I don't have that part, he
says is grass roots. It is
basically a coronation. But it
did grow in the heavens grass
grass.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but the whole
thing. I mean, so there's an
actual audience here and then
here today to throw our support
behind vice president Kamala
Harris. I'm clapping. You don't
have to.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, the
clap is a happy day. What
Adam Curry: can I say? Wow, what
a tell that is.
Unknown: Is that happy day?
Adam Curry: He's probably
thinking that that damn SHVARTS.
You know that it's what he's
thinking. Guys. No, good.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, exactly
what he's thinking horrible,
Adam Curry: man. What's
horrible, man? I remember
meeting him. He was it was very
scary, man. Very scary, man. Did
we really arrogant, horrible
man. All right, let's talk about
AGI Biden. A GI Joe a GI Joe,
everybody who showed up on our
television screens and in all
kinds of well, actually, yes.
John C Dvorak: I funny thing is
I got a clip of the rehearsal.
Adam Curry: You're not gonna
you've already had an F bomb.
You're gonna do another one. All
right. This is on you. This is
on you.
John C Dvorak: Is it though? I
looks like I clipped his twice.
Yeah, let's
Unknown: go. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I know what the
hateful one is two seconds
longer now. Okay. Hey,
Unknown: fellow Americans, I
want to take a moment to address
some of the hateful shit. You've
been talking about me. Many of
you have said I am suffering
from brain worms, or that I have
applesauce for brains. Well, I
won't mince words. So you're
this talk you You're all a bunch
of faggots and to, quote, repeat
the line. So enjoy President
cackles or President booty
juice. I really don't give two
fucks anymore. fight it out.
Adam Curry: All right. Very
good. John. We all saw it. We
didn't need to bring it to the
show. But you did. Of course.
No. So the the, you know, of
course, the the president air
quotes, spoke to the nation
yesterday. Before before we get
to that though. Kamala went to
the Biden Harris HQ, and spoke
to the troops told them they all
still had jobs, which is the
real reason they were all
cheering. And this of course, is
the the bit that that aired,
which didn't come back by the
way in, in like Lawrence
O'Donnell, he did a whole
segment on how awesome she is
and how awesome that Joe called
in. And he didn't actually
include this one bit, which
everybody saw.
Unknown: It is so good to hear
our President's voice, Joe, I
know you're still on the on the
call on the record record
recording and we've been talking
every day. You probably you guys
heard it from Doug's voice. We
love Joe and Jill. We really do
like family. And we did
everybody.
Adam Curry: Alright, so I of
course watch the whole thing.
And this was so obviously fake.
And of course, by the time I
went to look for it, people,
people had already input this
recording into 11 labs. And you
know, it comes back. Oh, yeah,
that's definitely an AI
recording. But you can tell,
because in no way is this the
Joe Biden who we saw before he
went away, or the one we saw
last night? Oh,
John C Dvorak: it's another guy.
It's, well, no, I
Adam Curry: don't think it's
John C Dvorak: fake voice.
Adam Curry: It's fake. And we
know it's not a phone call.
Because all of his phone calls
are done on speakerphone. This
was very direct. It was blessed.
John C Dvorak: It was a good
observation. I didn't notice
that. It didn't even
Adam Curry: sound like a phone
call. And then listen how how
the HQ lady Joyce, I think her
name is how she introduces him
because he spoke before Kamala
came up.
Unknown: Mr. President, thank
you for calling in today. Over
to you. Over to you.
Adam Curry: If I didn't I mean,
who says over to you? Who says
that? Over to you that? Listen,
I'll cue you with over to you.
Okay. Okay, that's good. We're
ready. Go ahead, Joyce.
Unknown: Julie, if I didn't have
COVID I'd be sitting there with
you standing there with you. And
Adam Curry: I thought is COVID
was over? Nah,
Unknown: I'm so proud of what
you're now
Adam Curry: also whenever the
audience cheers and cheers. What
is what is President Biden
always do? He says not a joke.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says not
a joke. Always respond.
Adam Curry: So he's either not I
mean, either. This is not a
phone call, or it was pre
recorded with
Unknown: you standing there with
you. I'm so proud of what you
did on TV. Keep me
Adam Curry: out of He's not
responding to the cheers. He's
not the typical me. So what he
couldn't hear it. He just keeps
on talking people's
Unknown: hair for the next four
days. But I'm going to be on the
road. I'm not going anywhere.
I'm going to just kept me
wanting to
John C Dvorak: hold on. I'm
gonna be on the road. I'm not
going anywhere. Yeah. Now,
here's,
Adam Curry: here's the real
tell. He rattles off a whole
bunch of names of people who who
supported the fundraising and
not a single mistake one after
another. He hasn't done this in
15 years. Now.
Unknown: He's kidding saying no,
I'm only 40. But I've been
around long, better campaign
organization grassroots
campaign. You know, we have by
Adam Curry: the way, I don't
know if that's his recording or
my recording. But there was an
obvious digital flowable in
here.
Unknown: I don't know of a
better campaign organization
grassroots campaign. We have
over 230 offices opened. We have
over 2000 paid staff. And we
have literally several 1000
volunteers on a regular basis
1000s of them, and they've been
relentless and tireless and
reaching out and contacting
voters. The leadership of this
campaign has been amazing. Jen
O'Malley Dillon, Julie Quinn,
Michael Tyler Brown, Florida,
raising money and so many more.
Adam Curry: Couldn't even
remember. Lloyd Austin's name a
week ago. Yeah, black guy. Yeah,
that black guy. So all of a
sudden you can rattle off these
names. Now we go to the Biden
who spoke to the nation last
night. You know,
Unknown: we've come so far since
my inauguration on that Today I
told you as a student, that
winter winter student in a
winter apparel and winter
possibilities, apparel and
possibilities. Were in the grip
of the war we were in the grip
of a worst pandemic in the
century winter
Adam Curry: apparel, a parent
apparel. Guy if it if it's a GI
Joe, no doubt about it. There's
a lot of weirdness with this
speech from last night. He has a
huge bruise on the left side of
his chin bruise on the on his
left side of his forehead. It
looked like he had a fat lip.
His watch was an hour behind. Do
you see any of that? No, I did
not. Yeah, you can see his
watch. It's it's an hour behind,
you know, insinuating that it
was recorded that it was
recorded an hour earlier.
Everything case his whole
family's in the Oval Office, his
granddaughters crying because
they know what's the end of the
road is the end of the road. But
the guy that I saw walk up the
steps on the Air Force One in
Delaware. That was not Joe
Biden. It just what he's taller.
He's taller than the other one.
Because he stands next to Joe, I
looked at all the pictures of
Joe and Jill. And in she comes
up barely to his shoulder with
this guy. And which brings me
back to the TED talk from a few
years ago of the CIA chief of
disguise,
Unknown: sort of the culmination
of my career as the chief of
disguise, I, I know that once we
did this, once we could create
these, think of what we could
do, we could change you into
anything, we could change your
gender, a man into a woman,
that's a little hard men didn't
like to do that a woman into a
man that was easier. We could
change your ethnicity. We could
change your nationality. The
most fun thing we could do is we
could make another you we could
make your twin. So there could
be two of you. We needed to find
a donor who would kind of match
you height weight. But we can
make a second you. And we did.
And we had some good times with
that. Now I know that some of
you in this audience are already
thinking, are they going to
arrest her? Is she in trouble
for telling these secrets? And
you have to know that these
secrets have all been published?
We've written four books,
they've all gone through CIA
Review. The CIA has looked at
them including this last one
with all these Moscow rules. CIA
says are okay. So I want you to
relax. I want you to know that I
don't have to kill you. It makes
me so happy. So
Adam Curry: I'm, I'm thinking
that the Biden we saw go on to
the plane where he didn't answer
any questions. His head wasn't
even the right shape. That was a
twin. And then the guy who then
later walks out with with Jill
and the press corps in the Rose
Garden. That was not him. I
think the real Biden spoke and
everyone's sad and crying
because the guy is dead. He's
almost dead. He's dying. The
what's with the bruise that he
fall down?
John C Dvorak: Well here like
this, play this and maybe I
don't know if this helps. But
this is the body language guy.
This cut from a podcast. Yeah,
yeah. And this guy. This is a
long is long and interesting,
except I just snipped it this
one little piece.
Unknown: The last tip that we
have. Are these rumors that
President Biden suffered an
undisclosed medical emergency
during his time in Las Vegas.
Police sources say was was just
today, just fresh. We still
don't know what has happened to
President Biden. I don't trust
that call. That there's so many
things that you can do with AI
nowadays. I really don't trust
that. Having no zoom calls and
not having the person I think I
think this is all too strange.
But I would love love to know
what you think about this.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you know, this
this stems originally from
actually Laura Loomer, I think
on July was that fifth was it
was two weeks ago. She was all
over Twitter going down. There
was a medical emergency on Air
Force One and something happened
to buy it and she was saying it
before Charlie Kirk had some
tweet that he put out which
Tucker Carlson read on his show.
This
Unknown: is from Charlie Kirk. I
got a weird I'm reading this
cold. I got a weird lead on a
story.
Adam Curry: I'm reading this
cold. So you know I'm Tucker
Carlson. People ought to look
Unknown: into I got a call from
a source close to Las Vegas
Metro Police. The official story
was that Biden's trip was cut
short last week due to COVID.
However, according to this
source, he was Secret Service
informed Las Vegas Metro that
there was an emergency situation
involving Joe Biden. And to
close necessary streets so that
POTUS can be transported
immediately to University
Medical, which began to which
they began to do in earnest.
Then mysteriously there was a
stand down order and the Secret
Service informed local Vegas PD
that they were going to medivac
POTUS to Johns Hopkins, which
they presume meant flying back
east as soon as possible.
Apparently, the rumor mill in
the police department was that
Joe Biden was dying or already
dead. Possibly. I didn't think
too much about this lead. It
seemed too wild to be true. But
given the Joe Biden has been out
of public sight for days, and
dropped out of the race via an x
post, and his brother James
indicated health was a factor.
I'm beginning to grow more
curious if COVID Or something
else has been more serious than
reported. So
Adam Curry: then, you and I both
watched this. I didn't clip it.
But Brett Weinstein comes out
and does a 12 minute emergency
video from the woods. He's in
the woods. Why is
John C Dvorak: he stopped with
the emergency video people he
was not that important than
emergency
Adam Curry: pod from the woods.
And he's like, this was a psyop.
They just wanted to be able to
call everybody conspiracy theory
theorist and that and but Joe
Biden's not dead. He's not in
hospice care. He's the SIOP
Weinstein is the SIOP Get with
it. This guy's no good I think
it listen to the CBS is three
short clips but CPS really is
putting out their hit on Biden a
Unknown: massive earthquake in
this already historic
presidential race. Good evening.
This seismic Sunday I'm Norah
O'Donnell in Juarez mix Sunday,
Washington with 100 days until
Election Day, President Joe
Biden announcing he is ending
his reelection campaign. The
President released the decision
today in a statement at 1:46pm.
Eastern time, Mr. Biden saying
quote, it has been the greatest
honor of my life to serve as
your President. And while it has
been my intention to seek
reelection, I believe it is in
the best interest of my party
and the country for me to stand
down and to focus solely on
fulfilling my duties as
president for the remainder of
my term.
Adam Curry: So that's the intro
then we bring in Nancy Cortez,
CBS News Chief White
Unknown: House correspondent
Gloria Cordis Cortez at the
White House at
Adam Curry: the White House all
Nancy, what do you like? What
are you learning at this hour
and answer?
Unknown: What do we know about
how the President came to this
historic decision?
When he came to this decision,
or within the past 24 hours, it
has been days if not weeks, of
White House officials from the
President on down insisting that
he was in it to win it that he
was tuning out the doubters and
that he was going to win this
race. Until this morning. When
we started to get worried that
potential potentially he had had
a change of heart. Right around
two o'clock Eastern time this
afternoon. He made it official
in an announcement to the
American people were told that
just a few minutes before that
he told his senior advisors
before that, though, holed up in
Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. He was
there with just a few members of
his inner circle, including his
deputy chief of staff, his
longtime right hand woman and he
tommasini, two of his longtime
senior advisors, Mike Donalyn,
and Steve are Shetty. All those
doubters that appears just got
too loud. And he started to have
a change of heart.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. Okay.
And then she rolls out the
weirdest piece of this report.
Unknown: We got word Nora, from
the President's brother earlier
today saying that the
President's health he believes
was a factor in his decision.
But just a short time ago, I
heard from a source close to the
Biden family and they said that
Frank Biden the President's
younger brother is an alcoholic
that he hasn't spoken to the
President in weeks, and that the
President's health had nothing
to do with his decision to leave
the race.
Adam Curry: So so let me get
this straight. So Biden's
brother says nice health is not
good that's why to drop out and
then CBS as as drunk is now key.
That's really crazy. Wow,
John C Dvorak: this is funny now
I have to alter it let me throw
another little another bolt into
that works. I don't have a clip
for it, unfortunately. But But
there's one rumor going around
that they that some hot shots
and the top guys Donald and
being one of them. Who's Who
Donalyn is the guy see more
hearse thinks is running
everything right.
Adam Curry: I read this substack
it was good. And
John C Dvorak: then went to
Biden and maybe something
happened in Vegas where it was
like you said the the bruises
and baby may have been part of
this. They threatened Biden with
the 25th amendment. Kamala was
on board and she was gonna do it
and even though it was gonna
make her look bad, maybe they
could. They could run somebody
else. This morning. There was a
news article in the SF Gate Debt
during this era during this
period, Gavin Newsom was getting
phone calls that he didn't pick
up because he was at the gym. So
it was possible they're going to
they're doing something that was
going to get Newsom in there.
were threatening Biden with the
25th amendment. If he didn't
quit, he quit. And then it took
a while before he comes out and
says Harris is going to be the
choice, right? They couldn't get
a hold of Newsom. He talks about
it. I'm I'm guessing on his
podcast, which he has to
everyone's got
Adam Curry: Pat. Hey, it's my
invention, baby is good. Yeah,
the
John C Dvorak: credit you get
his is not zero. It's not paying
the bills. Anyway, so. So
there's intrigue going on. But I
think this element that the 25th
amendment would have been
dropped on Biden, and he would
have been humiliated is what's
really behind because he never,
he never says in that stupid
little talk. He gave why
yesterday quit. Why, actually
why he quit.
Adam Curry: Well, he actually
said better for the party. And
then the country, which I
thought was quite telling you, I
thought I thought you were for
the country, bro. Yeah. So
Walter Kern was on Mata ABC
podcast. He's better podcasting.
Walter Kern, as he's a
screenwriter, I think he wrote
up in the air George Clooney,
his movie, a whole bunch of
other
John C Dvorak: based on gut felt
all the time. Ah, well, he
Adam Curry: overheard a phone
call in the airport when he was
stranded. And here's what he
heard
Unknown: when I was in the Delta
airline club, Saturday in
Milwaukee waiting all day, hour
after hour for my flight to be
my delayed flight. I happened to
be sitting next to a major White
House reporter who I won't name.
But who was chatting up a storm
for hours, one foot from me
giving what he believed to be
the inside line from his White
House sources to all his friends
about what was going on with BI.
And what he was saying was that
Nancy Pelosi was taking the lead
to get Biden now that the Biden
people were freaked that there
were two circles of them, the
sort of outer circle that is
completely in the dark, and the
inner circle that felt
incredibly betrayed and hurt by
this, quote, orchestrated
campaign to get rid of him. Now,
he repeated these stories to at
least four different phone
partners. And the common theme
of all of them was the Biden was
not going quietly that
John C Dvorak: he was
Unknown: that he was indeed
sick. And that he was not
sounding well on the phone and
the conversations that he had
had reported to him. But he was
there, he was apparently alive
as of at least Friday or, you
know, maybe early Saturday when
this guy was being told he was
on the phone with Pelosi, etc.
And there were a lot of details
in this, like, Biden kept
saying, I don't want to sit
there on election night and see
Trump win and realize I could
John C Dvorak: have done
something.
Adam Curry: Now that kind of
jives with the 25th amendment
because that's Pelosi is hold
deal. Remember, she she tried to
get a resolution passed in
Congress so that Congress could
the House of Representatives
could be the ones to approve?
Track?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. All kinds
of violation of separation of
powers. The
Adam Curry: Nancy Pelosi, Nancy
Pelosi. Yes. So let's go to CNN.
I like listening to Van Jones,
because, you know, he, he's
funny.
John C Dvorak: He's the worst.
Unknown: He's the best band
Jones joining us. He is CNN
senior political commentator and
a former Obama administration
official event, obviously,
that's
Adam Curry: why I like it. I
want to hear but the this is the
Obama official
John C Dvorak: guy for like two
days before they jumped all over
him being a fraud. You
Unknown: and I were talking a
lot about this dynamic and how
this was ultimately going to
play out when we were covering
the Republican convention in
Milwaukee last week. And with
this news, this entire campaign
has just upended itself.
Yeah, there's a lot of political
stuff. There Guys, the family at
the end of the day is a family
matter you know, Joe Biden's
body may not be as strong as it
used to be. His language skills
may not be as sharp as it used
to be. His heart is as big as
ever. Yeah, his heart is as big
and as true and as strong. And
this is this is the difference
between a politician and a
leader. He made a selfless
decision and people are
heartbroken even people who are
pushing for this to happen. It's
kind of like, like when you're
when your grandpa you got to
take the keys and everybody you
got tickets keys, gotta take his
keys, you got it. And he's
fighting and he's fighting
everybody so far. straight. And
then finally,
Adam Curry: I tell you, man, if
my kids come up to me, my
grandkids if I remember blessed
with grandkids, and they try to
take my keys, I'm gonna pull out
a piece of I'm gonna pull out a
gun and shoot them step back
from your kid.
Unknown: And then you just make
quiche, I wanted somebody who
was better for you to somebody,
you wouldn't be here without
him, and had to take something
from him. Yeah, we
Adam Curry: need more metaphors
like Van Hey, van, this is
great. And more metaphors,
politics is
Unknown: politics. But this is a
human moment. For one of the
great humans in America, this is
a huge moment for him for his
family, for all of us who are
for those who want him to get
across the finish line. But if
you're a young person watching
this, yeah, this is leadership.
This is
John C Dvorak: what, but when
you're done with that job, I
gotta follow up. This
Unknown: is what it means to put
the country first and put the
party first and put the cost
first, when your arm gets tired,
you let somebody else finish
pitching the game. That's what
Joe Biden has done. And he's
done that for all of us. And so
I just want to say, I don't know
who's going to be the VP, the
non VP. I don't know anything
about politics. I just know that
I love this man.
Adam Curry: I know. What's a non
VP I just care about
John C Dvorak: non VP. This
Unknown: man, it was painful
everyday to sit up here and talk
about him. Like he's just, you
know, some some problem for the
party. Yeah, wait till we get to
the convention, you're gonna see
people crying, standing,
screaming, cheering, he may not
get a chance to talk for 10
minutes, we finally get a chance
to put our arm around this guy.
isn't the right thing for this
country, do the right thing for
this party. All of us are going
to be in a situation someday.
And I hope that we can take a
moment to honor this man and to
love this man. I love Joe Biden.
I appreciate what he's done. And
a lot of people are heartbroken
today, even if it's the right
thing. It's still just horrible.
It's horrible. It's horrible. I
John C Dvorak: mean, we're big,
hard, great guy. You know, we're
all gonna we all love him, blah,
blah, blah. Here it is. He is in
2008 inferring, or implying that
Obama's gay This is why he's
running for president in 2008.
This is great.
Unknown: I know, Barack got
tested for AIDS. There's no
shame and being tested for aid.
It's an important thing. Because
the fact of the matter is in the
community, and the communities
engaged in denial. They're
engaged in denial. No one wants
to talk about it in the
community. And we do not have
enough leaders in the community
and outside the community,
demanding we face the reality
confront the men in the
community, as well as the women
letting them know there are
alternative. Thank you.
I just got to make clear, I got
tested with Michelle. Yeah.
I don't want any confusion
about what's going
to save my life because
I'm sure Michelle, appreciate
you clarifying.
Adam Curry: Wow. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: that was that was
funny thing about that clip.
When you see it, is that as
Biden's going off on Obama by
getting tested for AIDS and
playing he's gay the way he did
it, obviously, is Hillary city
is right next to to Biden
nodding her head and you Yeah,
Adam Curry: bathhouse Barry. We
all know. Well, no. Have you got
let me go back to divan here for
a second. Because he's, he's got
he had, he tells us more than
than he should to see,
Unknown: you know, what the
reporting has been behind the
scenes of Democrats who wanted
him to get out on Friday night,
the reporting was that he was
seething over, you know, seeing
big allies of Pelosi come out
and call on him to get out even
upset to a degree with his
former running mate, President
Obama and just to see, you know,
what he personally has witnessed
and these calls from from his
longtime allies, people who
certainly praise his legacy. But
that said, you know, it's time
for this decision to be made.
But how we all come through this
with our own family members,
like Yeah, he's hurt. He's
pissed. A lot of us wouldn't
have crews I wouldn't have agree
without Joe Biden, Joe Biden
picked me out of the puppy pile.
He's the person that everybody
says you work for Brock Obama,
not I worked. I worked for Joe
Biden, when I was in the
administration, I was on his
middle class. You know, all of
us have known that embrace all
of us have gotten those phone
calls and those cards when bad
things have happened to us. So
you know, that's, that's the
family. That's what it is. You
know, he's hurt now. He feels
let down. He feels that his
friends turned on him, in the
fullness of time, though,
recognize that it was done out
of love and as loving away as
possible. But at the end of the
day, some people and I don't
want to mention any names and
ruin this day, but some people
will back their leader no matter
what, some people, they don't
care how many people this man is
hurt. And I mean, we lost he's
broken, no matter how many bad
things he's done. That's our
leader. We're gonna back up no
matter what. But this party is
not like that this is not a
cult. This is a political
organization. And we believe in
these principles and if somebody
is sick, if somebody can't do
it, there's no shame in that. If
Adam Curry: somebody's sick if
somebody can't do it, what Advan
just say?
John C Dvorak: He said Joe's
sick and he can't do it. Yet
he's going to be president for
the next six months or so.
Adam Curry: I liked Mike
Johnson, the Cheshire Cat. No,
actually, I dislike Mike
Johnson, the Cheshire Cat, I
really don't listen, listen to
him. Listen to this.
Unknown: You've had interactions
with the president privately has
he seemed cognitively
impaired? Yes. I mean, look, I
didn't want to come out and talk
about, you know, personal
interactions with the President,
because I've been concerned
about what I just said about
this projection of weakness on
the world stage in a very
dangerous. Oh, really? It's an
interesting question, Jake. If
He's incapable of running for
president, how is he capable of
governing right now? I mean,
there is five months left in
this administration. It's a real
concern. And it's a danger to
the country because on the world
stage or adversary see exactly
what all of us see. And that's a
problem. We're projecting
weakness on the world stage. And
that's why our our adversaries
are acting so provocatively,
this is a great concern to all
the American people. You've had
interactions
Adam Curry: with the press. So I
don't buy this first. Second.
You're telling me that Mike
Johnson didn't didn't want to
tell anybody that Biden is
losing his marbles because it
was dangerous on the underworld
stage. No, I don't this guy is
in multiple camps. I don't trust
him. Well, I
John C Dvorak: don't trust him
either. I don't like him at all.
But I, but I think he's right.
On that on this count.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but everyone
was everyone saying it but Mike
Johnson. I don't know. This
stinks. stinky, stinky, stinky,
stinky.
John C Dvorak: Well, he's
greasy,
Adam Curry: greasy for sure. I
think we should probably just
talk briefly about some of the
well, this a lot has happened
actually. Since since the the
Sunday show. Of course. Breaking
breaking.
Unknown: Good morning to you are
coming on the air with some
breaking news. The director of
the Secret Service, the director
of the Secret Service, has
resigned her resignation coming.
Just one day after Kimberly
Cheeto was grilled by members of
Congress on both sides of the
aisle during a testy hearing
with the House Oversight
Committee yesterday. As you
probably know, the Secret
Service itself has been under
intense scrutiny for the past
week or so after last week's
assassination attempt against
former President Trump.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Oh, she
got out of that one easy. If you
if you resign as directors is
that it then you don't have to
come and testify anymore? And
that's it.
John C Dvorak: If you're
subpoenaed. Well, yeah.
Adam Curry: Basically this we
have an ABC version of this
report
Unknown: sources telling ABC
sources the Secret Service has
recommended the Donald Trump's
campaign stop holding outdoor
rallies following the
assassination attempt. And Phil
Sylvania comes just 24 hours
after that blistering hearing
your follow up. Today,
bipartisan calls for the
resignation of Secret Service
Director Kim Cheeto.
Not only should you resign if
you refuse to do so. President
Biden needs to fire you tonight
taking
responsibility for the security
failures. That led to the
attempted assassination of
former President Donald Trump in
an email to staff CIO saying I
do not want my calls for
resignation to be a distraction
from the great work each and
every one of you do towards our
vital mission. In light of
recent events. It is with a
heavy heart that I have made the
difficult decision to step down
as your director. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So she's out of the
way because she failed. She had
one job to kill.
John C Dvorak: Yes, she had one
job and she'd
Adam Curry: failed. And then
Christopher Rea, the head honcho
of the FBI shows up the next day
to testify which got a lot less
coverage.
Unknown: Tonight we're learning
the gunman who nearly
assassinated FORMER PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP entered a chilling
Google search a week before the
shooting.
On July 6, he did a Google
search for quote, how far away
was Oswald from Kennedy?
An FBI analysis of crooks his
laptop found he did the search
on the same day he registered
for Trump's rally, and
references Lee Harvey Oswald who
assassinated President John F.
Kennedy in 1963. They can see
the guy Investigators are still
looking into whether the gunman
hid his firearm ahead of the
rally.
The weapon had a collapsible
stock, which could explain why
it might have been less easy for
people to observe. In
a CBS News Analysis found crooks
fired eight bullets in less than
six seconds before being shot
and killed by a secret service
sniper.
Why was crooks allowed to get
off eight shots?
Well, that I think is something
we're still digging into.
Adam Curry: That's worth it.
That's a good question. That's a
great question. Why why did that
happen? Now the thing that has
bothered me and just as a pilot
in general, but all you know, we
have a lot of drone dorks, Will
is one of them. We have a lot of
different drone dorks in the no
agenda producing audience. And
so this information from FBI
director, Ray, there's a lot of
problems with this, we
Unknown: have recovered a drone
that the shooter appears to have
used, it's being exploited and
analyzed by the FBI lab, the
drone visa
Adam Curry: is being exploited.
John C Dvorak: But he said,
abused, it's
Unknown: being exploited,
analyzed by the FBI lab, the
drone was recovered in his
vehicle. So at the time of the
shooting, the drone was in his
vehicle 3:50pm, four o'clock in
that window, on the day of the
shooting, that the shooter was
flying the drone around the area
11 That's not to be clear, but
when I say the area, not over
the the stage, and that part of
the area itself, I would say
about 200 yards, give or take
away, okay, and that we think,
but we do not know. So again,
this is one of these things
that's qualified because of our
ongoing review, that he was live
streaming, you know, viewing the
footage from that again, about
11 minutes, and around the 354
o'clock pm re two hours
John C Dvorak: before he's
flying a drone in the in the
vicinity of about 200 yards
away.
Adam Curry: Okay, couple of
things from our producers boots
on the ground. Any drone, unless
it was a drone from before 2015,
which is unlikely because the
kid would have been 11 You can
download the full flight data
log in seconds, all you have to
do is connect the USB cable to
the drone fuselage to computer,
you download it very accurate 3d
flight data log, which you can
overlay on a Google map, you can
see this immediately. So to say
that, you know, we're exploiting
it. It's also complicated and
difficult, but they obviously
have the data and they got it
very quickly and simply. So Ray
is full of crap here. Because
they know exactly where it was
flying. And they knew at what
time and this is troubling.
Remember that temporary flight
restriction that was put in
place, which is an aviation
thing, and so no plane, or drone
or anything can fly in that area
was up to 1000 feet. That was in
place from 4:10pm to 6:20pm,
which is odd by itself. Because
if the President was the if the
foreign president was coming out
to speak at 10, after six, he
really only had 10 minutes of
coverage. Before you could fly
anything you want over that
area, which makes no sense
unless Trump was late, I don't
know. But you'd think you'd have
that TFR in place a lot longer
than that and any drone modern
drone today will actually not
even take off. It has all of
them have to have this is all
legal stuff. The DJI DJI drones
all have this to take won't even
take off if you're in a in a
temporary flight restricted
area. And it does have a
transponder and it will ping and
that would have been noticed. So
for this kid, he's now flying
this drone 10 minutes before the
TFR goes into place. I just find
that to be too much of a
coincidence. I don't like it.
And of course this is the FBI
launching some kind of Oswald
conspiracy. Oh, look at the CIA.
It's not us. No, no, no, no, he
was looking at Oswald. Yeah, how
far was this is? This is so
hokey is so hokey. It
John C Dvorak: is pretty okay.
Would you start looking at the
details? Yeah. And
Adam Curry: to me, it feels a
bit like whoever is you know,
Satan, whoever's behind this the
whole I'd say it's never one
person Satan's
John C Dvorak: really at the
meetings. Representatives. Okay.
Yes,
Adam Curry: his representatives,
I think we're at the meetings
and the idea was let's get rid
of both of these guys. Because
whilst we're you have your first
debate before both conventions
John C Dvorak: makes those says
zero so it makes zero
Adam Curry: sense so we got a
bite and so we had to show to
the world Biden's a vegetable
Okay, we got that done. You
know, we didn't even give him
any didn't mean When jack them
up for 15 minutes, just let them
go out there, Screw him. And
then the idea is I guess to take
out Trump. So we could have I
don't know Newsom Newsom versus
Nikki Haley.
John C Dvorak: Well, it would
have been Nikki Haley. Probably,
yeah, got some votes because she
stayed in the race. But I would
say, I would say that you take
out Trump and then Biden who is
sick and is everyone knows it
would have then resigned because
he would have said, Look, I only
reason I was in this race is
because of Trump, I can beat
him, I can beat him, I beat him
before I could beat him again.
But now I don't need to be here.
So now pass the torch, then he
would show the whole thing,
whether Trump was in, in or out
if he was out to take it out.
Biden would have quit in the
meantime. And that was, I think,
part if the if there was a plan,
that would be it.
Adam Curry: And that's what and
I would
John C Dvorak: have been Nikki
Haley should have had two women,
Nikki Haley versus Camela. And
then we're or Gavin, but it
would have to be camera like
because of their nature. And the
part
Adam Curry: of the plan that is
still working as, as expected is
to have so many holes, so didn't
let the internet go crazy about
second shooter third shooter
John C Dvorak: was a child. That
was flute ludicrous. Oh,
Adam Curry: and I think that was
always the plan. And that's
working very well. People are so
obsessed.
John C Dvorak: Now, I think
they're out of control. And
Adam Curry: if there really was
a second and a third shooter,
Trump would be dead.
Unknown: He would be dead. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: he would be these
guys don't mess around me guys
shooting out. You don't mess
around long range rifles. No.
Adam Curry: Now, I mean, it
still could have just been a
met. I mean, again, I still
think that this kid blew it.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: there's a new I
don't have the clip of this. But
there was there was a couple of
clips out there about how he did
have a remote control device.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we had a
fireworks remote control with a
broken antenna as an aside. But
his his pipe bombs were
cardboard pipe bombs. They
weren't metal. You know, we had
the headlines, loud noises. So
maybe it was just to send a
message to Trump I would look
for sure Trump got a message.
And he I think he responded to
the message by saying Don't
worry, big ships, Iron Dome,
plenty of money to go around.
Don't worry about me. Don't
worry about me. I'll
John C Dvorak: take your spot.
That would be the response if
you're smart. Yes. And subs that
go deeper than any very
Adam Curry: deep, very
beautiful, beautiful, sleek
sleep deep subs. Very, very
good. And then and then just to
add insult to injury, we've got
now all of a sudden you saw the
cell phone data that was
published on an X. Now I don't I
mean, you know, you can get cell
phone data, you can buy it on
the public market. So now that
we're showing that other cell
phones, visited the shooters
address crooks home, and then
went back to DC. And we're very
close to the FBI office.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was
that that was one of them. That
was one another another thesis
that's floating around, which is
that whatever was going to
happen to Trump or whatever
crooks was up to, was going to
always be attributed to this
this late comment that the
Iranians wanted him killed and
he had three bitcoins secret
Bitcoin accounts somehow that
were going to be attributed to
Iran and they were going to be
able to go after Iran for
killing Trump.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's that
sounds good, too.
John C Dvorak: I liked it. I
mean, some of these theories, or
at least fascinating if you're a
writer. Yeah. Because there's
some there's some some plot
lines and some very interesting
analysis. Yeah. This always
stems from the fact that you
mentioned earlier, that their
lack of information and the lack
of forthrightness with these
tests, total
Adam Curry: lies, lies. Lies.
They're just making it up.
John C Dvorak: Now, I will say I
do have a couple of clips that I
would like to play Yes. I know
there's some really good super
cuts of of Cheadle saying
nothing she's really good at it.
Yeah, she's not good enough. You
know, I was thinking about this
she you know, she never was in
the government at the level
where she should be know how to
testify properly. When when they
went after her I don't have this
clip. But when they went after
about the number of bullets, one
of the Congress women said how
many bullets were there? I can't
say ongoing investigation. And
she said what did the FBI tell
you how many bullets or were are
shell shell casings? Which I by
the way, I want to apologize for
saying bullet when I met shell.
Yes, I got a bunch of notes now.
Is it 22 Yeah. Now you say Ba ba
ba ba. So because I said it was
a big bullet. Yeah. No, it's
not. It's a big shell. Yeah, the
bullet itself is small, but the
shell is huge. And this create a
high you
Adam Curry: got you got slapped
appropriately?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's I
don't think so. And I mean, let
me explain why I don't think so
if you walked into a room yells,
and there was somebody took a
handful of 45 shells and threw
them on the floor, and you
walked into the room, and
there's a bunch of these around.
And you said, what are all these
bullets doing on the floor? Are
you wrong? Yeah. But we weren't.
But
Adam Curry: we were talking. We
were talking specifically about
556 versus two threes and 20.
Very
John C Dvorak: similar. It's
okay that you want to say that
oh,
Adam Curry: the Hey, at least we
never say clip when we mean
magazine. All right. I mean, we
try. But
John C Dvorak: yeah, we have our
clips or the what we play on the
show. We
Adam Curry: have a lot of people
who like to make sure we're
being accurate. There's nothing
wrong with that. It's not a bad.
John C Dvorak: I apologize. I'm
sorry. Mia culpa. All right. So
there's this one woman that went
on and on and but but I still
think Nancy Mays, who I actually
kind of admire because she's,
she is like, where
Adam Curry: she been all our
life. All of a sudden she pops
up and she does good stuff. This
is good.
John C Dvorak: For a couple of
years now. I've heard her they
would tell us to play or we
haven't just played her a lot.
That's I don't think so. No, but
she is funny. She's like, she's
in between Bo Bert and Dan Green
woman. Yeah. Only she and she's
pretty in in kind of a big jawed
way. She is. She's good enough
for a big part in one of our
productions. Absolutely. And so
I'd say that she and I think
she's a little more dead green
woman. She is a little off to
Margaret Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's
funnier, but she's nuts. Now
this woman's
Adam Curry: room. Now I want to
remind you that Marjorie Taylor
Greene was your pick. You were
like, I like her. She's spice. I
do.
John C Dvorak: I still like her.
Okay, all right.
Adam Curry: Are you calling her
nuts?
John C Dvorak: It's not very
cool. She's nuts. But she's on
the money most of the time. And
I like her. She's just a very,
she's brutal. Brutal. Brutal.
Yeah. It makes us not as bad in
that regard. But she's pretty
straightforward. Yeah. And this
is slicker. She's slicker. This
is a little, one minute 15
segment out of her five minutes
that she had with Cheadle. And
this is the part people keep
playing and they keep beeping it
out. And I think screw that, you
know, you should. There's no
reason to bleep it out. This
isn't Congress. It's on the
floor of the of the of the House
of Representatives. And
Adam Curry: this isn't CNN, this
is a podcast. You
Unknown: stated earlier. Secret
Service is not political. Is
that correct? Yes. Okay, would
you say leaking your opening
statement to Punchbowl news
Politico's playbook and
Washington Post several hours
before you sent it to this
Committee as being political?
Yes or no? I have no idea how my
statement got out. Well, that's
bullshit. Okay. Is the Secret
Service my Perley cooperating
with our committee?
Yes. Okay.
You say you're fully cooperating
with this committee. On July 15.
This committee sent you a list
of demands of information that
we wanted. Has the Secret
Service provided this committee,
a complete list of all law
enforcement personnel that were
there that day? Have you done
that? Have you provided a list
to the Oversight Committee? Yes
or No. We'll have to get back to
you on that. That is a no. Have
you provided all audio and video
recordings in your possession to
this committee? As we asked on
July 15, yes or no. I would have
to get back to you as a no,
you're full of shit today.
You're just being completely
dishonest. Oh,
Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman,
I want to Mr. Chair, I
don't mind we have to maintain
decorum in this committee.
decorum.
Adam Curry: My pearls are no.
Oh, no. I have one more clip
from Ray. I think this is the
JFK thing. It's short. Newly
Unknown: released body cam
footage shows the moments after
the assassination attempt.
Former President Donald Trump.
Officers climb to the roof to
find the body of government
Thomas Crux FBI director
Christopher Rea, testified about
the shooting during a
congressional hearing yesterday
he says the crooks conducted an
online search about the
assassination of JFK. On the
same day that he registered for
the rally. Kirk's also shot and
killed one civilian and injured
two other people. One of the
wounded men was discharged from
the hospital yesterday. The
other one remains in serious but
stable condition. The House
passed a resolution yesterday to
establish a bipartisan Task
Force to investigate the attack.
Oh,
Adam Curry: Warren Commission.
Perfect. Perfect this. They're
pulling out old playbooks. And I
think this is the FBI. Cool
clearly saying, Oh no, this is
this is not us. You got a good
CIA in the mob? That's who
killed JFK. Cubans? Maybe? I
don't know. Nothing to do with
us. I'm
John C Dvorak: sticking with the
mob theory.
Adam Curry: Yeah, now that's
fine. That's fine. I mean, what
a what a week it was. And then
it was great. It really was. And
then of course, we got the which
is just like, Oh, we're just
gonna talk about the cyber
pandemic anymore. We'll just let
that go by, you know, the
crowds, the CrowdStrike issue.
And
John C Dvorak: before we leave,
Ray, I do have two clips. Okay.
These are wraps
Adam Curry: remind me to come
back to CrowdStrike
John C Dvorak: I don't have
anything I don't know. I do. I
it's gonna be hard for me to I
remind you I have boots on the
ground. Oh, okay. Well, let's go
at this are the NTD wraps of
Ray. I think they're worth
listening to because they did a
pretty good as just a rapid.
We're done with Ray.
Unknown: This is in di D FBI
director Christopher Ray
testified before the House
Judiciary Committee on
Wednesday. Now, among other
things, lawmakers tried to find
out why disorder tried to kill
former President Trump and what
the FBI knew about him before
the incident happened. Here's
how it went. There's
doesn't seem to be a whole lot
of rhyme or reason to it so far.
Ray told lawmakers that the FBI
is currently looking into the
shooters, personal devices, his
social media accounts and more.
So far without much success.
We do not yet have a clear
picture of his motive. You might
see a manifesto, things like
that. We're not seeing that yet.
But we are digging in hard.
Adam Curry: Yet we're writing
it. We got to put the lemon
juice on it and everything.
We're not done yet where we're
digging hard things
Unknown: like that. We're not
seeing that yet. Yeah. But we
are digging in hard because one
of the central questions for us.
As
newly released body cam footage
shows an interaction between a
Secret Service agent and local
law enforcement shortly after
the shooter was killed
in Beaver County.
This is him. Okay. Ray
explained why the FBI
investigation didn't make much
progress yet. He says that even
after they got their hands on
the shooters phone, new
challenges popped up. And
it turned out he was using some
encrypted messaging application.
Was
John C Dvorak: this a pretty
sophisticated? Or is this this
is the kind of the norm you see
what folks like you know,
Unknown: this is unfortunately
now become very commonplace. And
it's a real challenge for not
just the FBI, but state and
local law enforcement. Why
Adam Curry: not name it? Was it
signal? Come on? Come on, tell
us that's a good point name
naming apps.
John C Dvorak: And what they
should do is name the one with
the backdoor. If there was Yes,
everyone would think they would
say Yeah, well, you know, one of
the apps that we just had
nothing but trouble with his
blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and the
thing is totally backdoored. And
that's what that's what you do,
because you're criminals are
dumb. Yeah. Okay, part two.
Unknown: Tell me one thing the
FBI did find on a device tied to
the shooter is a telling Google
search, looking up details of
the assassination of President
John F. Kennedy.
He did a Google search. How far
away was Oswald from Kennedy?
Adam Curry: Hold on a second. So
now, I guess they did get into
the phone. I mean, there's so
many questions that weren't
asked,
John C Dvorak: or they had to
get into the phone and get that
search information or
Adam Curry: No, they just call
Google or just hop on the portal
that they have. Could be that.
John C Dvorak: It'd be easier if
they could do it on the phone
site because Google had I don't
know how they got too much info
to get loaded with data.
Adam Curry: They know. They
haven't there's a partner's Come
on. As Whitney Webb, she knows.
She'll tell you the truth. That
Unknown: is the same day that it
appears that he registered for
the butler rally.
Another pressing question is
what the FBI knew about the
shooter before the incident
happened. Florida Republican
Matt gates question right on
that
no
communication in any chat rooms,
no see eyes or confidential
human sources of any
interaction.
We've run a thorough search for
the subject through all of our
holdings and he was not in them
anywhere. Ray
made it clear that
investigations are still ongoing
and that the FBI will disclose
more information as the probe
continues.
Adam Curry: So I don't want to
augment or change my, my initial
thinking about, you know, the
failed assassination on Trump.
You know, we had to change that
narrative. And that's why
CrowdStrike was deployed
something that would definitely
distract which it did perfectly.
Can you just imagine though,
imagine And let's say that the
CrowdStrike thing was pre
programmed or meow. It was like
already set up to take place.
And you had had Trump dead. We
have video nonstop of his head
exploding. I know it's a
horrible visual, but it wouldn't
put it on the air. We'd have it
it'd be everywhere on the
internet.
John C Dvorak: I'm not sure.
Well, maybe because of people
taking these now. It'd be
everywhere everywhere
Adam Curry: on the internet,
then we'd have the convention or
not, I don't know. But and then
you have this massive computer
fail. This would have been the
country would have been in
chaos, which may have also been
the point you imagine, there
will be guys running around with
with AI AR fifteens all over the
whole country. They'd be
shooting and everybody your copy
probably part of it would have
been horrible. Just a mess. I
mean, we don't really realize
what kind of real disaster we
avoided here. Just imagine,
because, you know, assassination
attempt failed. Everyone's cool.
There's no rioting. No one's
burning flags. No one's burning
down buildings. It's all cool,
all calm. But if it had been
different, oh, man. And so I am
not sure about CrowdStrike. But
I do have some boots on the
ground that are worth sharing.
One of our nights as an
employee. He says By the way,
this is not This has nothing to
do with a microservice. He's
being technical about it. John,
your your analogy still holds.
But he's saying the Falcon is
basically a rootkit you install
on your machine. And one of the
data files was corrupted causing
the code to crash. It's not like
the back end service was down,
the file gets delivered over a
CDN a content delivery,
John C Dvorak: I'll concede that
it's not technically technically
a
Adam Curry: service, Mike. He's,
he's not making a problem out of
it. Now he says CrowdStrike is a
very odd company. I feel like I
work in the alias or something.
And I'm what is the alias is
that I think he's
John C Dvorak: referring to the
the TV show that was on for
about three, three or four
seasons alias, with Jennifer
Garner playing a spy that seemed
to be working for the CIA. But
it turned out that this whole
operation was some other thing.
It wasn't even it was countered
to the CIA and it was very
strange. Show us what JJ Abrams
first big hit. So
Adam Curry: he says he feels
like he's working in the alias.
It's extremely
compartmentalized. I can't even
see the Falcon code as a high
level engineer. During the call
a higher level engineer made
comments on Thursday, warning an
external partner we were working
on a deal with that there might
be a hold up. He goes on to say
you are correct, in my opinion,
that there's no way this update
could to the file hit the CDN
unless it was intentional.
Falcon is the oldest and most
mature part of the product.
Basically, it's the part that
runs in all customers computers
sends kernel level back to
CrowdStrike. So that can analyze
everything, all caps, that
happens on a computer for
ongoing attacks. CrowdStrike
doesn't only run on AWS, it
stores data on its own hardware,
and we store exabytes. So that's
nice to know, they store
everything
John C Dvorak: crowded since
CrowdStrike.
Adam Curry: itself sent out an
update, and they said it was
faulty testing software. That's
got to be a lie. And by the way,
they are certified. They have an
eye they have a lot of
certifications, but they have an
ISO 27 Double oh one N double oh
two, they should at least lose
that certification. Because
there's no I mean, they they're
basically they're saying our
vet, there was a bug in our
validator. Are you kidding me?
That's just just gotta be a lie.
Faulty test, faulty testing
software. Now, here's an off the
wall, one from one of our
producers, who runs an
independent ISP in Los Angeles.
I think it's it's software. So
it serves not internet service
provider but IT service
provider. While we are quite
small in comparison to the
incumbents in our area, about
80% of our customers are small
to medium businesses, including
one municipality. Thus we have
some direct insight into issues
like what have been happening
the past week, we are aware of
the CrowdStrike incident and
something else seems to have
gone unreported. On Thursday
afternoon about 3pm Now 3pm
makes it 11pm Zulu time is it 10
or 1110 or 11. When the
CrowdStrike outage did not
happen until the file was
delivered at thing was 4am. So
this is at least six to nine
hours, if not longer before the
CrowdStrike file was delivered.
So at 3pm Pacific Standard Time,
we began getting calls from
clients complaining they
couldn't do certain things,
access their email, get to their
SharePoint. And in one case,
single sign on with Microsoft
365. Then we started accessing
these clients to open support
tickets on our cloud hosted
software, and we're getting 550
server not found errors. These
were all on Microsoft Azure. And
I have read this that there was
people were seeing all kinds of
Azure problems. And this
producer says it's possible that
Azure was hit with some kind of
attack and ask CrowdStrike to
push something out to fix it.
And either that fix took a dump
or it was intentional. Because
doesn't the government have all
their contracts with AWS and
Azure? Isn't it huge? I don't
know this. I remember they were
fighting I remember Microsoft
was fighting with Amazon and
Amazon got the contract and then
it got unwound.
John C Dvorak: So there's been
shenanigans I do know that.
Adam Curry: So whatever the
case, this I believe this to be
an intentional action on crowd
strikes. Part and the
CrowdStrike chief security
officer apparently was an
executive assistant director of
the FBI under Obama. He also
sold 1500 or 15,000 shares at
1500 15,000 shares two days
before this all happened
somebody knew something well
that's suspicious Yeah, yeah,
you should do you want to your
insider sales thing you never
know sometimes they're they're
usually automatic
John C Dvorak: these these
things slowly Yeah, well, that's
easy to prove you can just see
because he can he's been doing
it but if it's just a one time
thing is suspicious. But
Adam Curry: there's just just
even from our insider inside
CrowdStrike says there's no way
this kind of bug could you know
this kind of faulty update file
could get through with it you
know, through the testing etc.
So whether that was a call that
went out hey, we've got to
change the the narrative which
It sure did. And of course as we
discussed in the last show,
because of EULAs and all that
stuff there's although that
there is a stack sent me a link
there is a class action lawsuit
they're going to try and do
something good luck Yeah, good
John C Dvorak: luck out. When
does that ever work? Yeah.
Adam Curry: CrowdStrike sent out
to $10 Uber Eats gift cards to
everybody which subsequently
that true yeah which
subsequently Thanks for nothing
were all canceled people started
to went to Uber Eats to input
them and says this has been
cancelled by the issuer also
John C Dvorak: there was data
and even sent out to tempt Buck
Thank you know what that reason
was probably because it was an
admission of guilt. Oh, that's
Adam Curry: right. Someone said
no, no, no, no, no rollback
rollback. Yeah. Oh, man.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you have to
be careful if you're doing
admissions that you know this is
the member one time he got into
I don't have much but it's
happened I've gotten to a car
wreck.
Adam Curry: Was it your fault?
It was
John C Dvorak: totally my fault.
The only time I know of English
since I was a little kid when I
was in high school. Another
story
Adam Curry: I don't know about
what is happening to you. So
you're regressing. You're going
your life is flashing before
your eyes. Get
John C Dvorak: to me stories is
the problem. So I was I felt bad
about this too. It was like I'm
in Arizona and I've got a rental
and I'm driving down the road
just like a normal person I had
I had this is another reason I
don't like having phones. So I
had a cell phone on the in the
car. It was sitting in the
passenger seat as I reached to
get it to grab it because I
don't know why they had to tie
you swear I look up and there's
a dumb girl who stopped in the
fast lane to make a left. Oh
man, so I plowed right into her.
That was what was weird because
I'm normally dry. Usually by me
my car is a Lexus, of course and
the car I was renting was a
Nissan knows that one of the
reasons I don't like Nissan's I
slammed the brakes on in my
Lexus I would have stopped in
time. But now this thing didn't
stop at all. It just kept going.
You know I'm just I just floor
it, you know and it doesn't stop
the cars no good. It plows into
a boom. All right And so I get
out, you know, we exchange
information and she's like,
she's a pretty girl too. She's
on my neck. And she's I said,
you know, you know and I saw I
was the I didn't pay any
attention to the car in front of
the car was just ruined. And so
I did later, just drove the car
and I drove it in to drop it
off. It's just typical. I know
if anyone's gotten to a car
wreck with a rental, but it's
like no surprise to anybody when
you bring the car in and it's,
it's and by the way the airbag
never went off. That's another
thing about this Nissan, so I
didn't have an airbag go off. I
think they take them out anyway,
so I dropped the car off and
didn't think much about it. But
I felt bad about the about the
girl and I wanted to send her an
apology note and the lawyer for
the insurance can no ever make
contact with her ever. It's an
admission of guilt and they made
a big thing about it. So we lost
interest picked the whole thing
up I didn't even know it was
including that I guess they
fixed the car to I don't know,
you know an airbag in it.
Adam Curry: I got a note from
Brad, you know, after your Canon
Spectre story. And he says,
Okay, enough is enough. I am now
convinced John as a time
traveler, following his recent
can inspector story, this man
has had too many jobs, more jobs
than a man of his age could
accommodate. I'll bet you $33
That if you covered a story like
a nationwide tuna fish outage,
or shortage, John would tell
tale of his days as a tuna boat
captain. This man is truly the
most interesting man on the
planet.
John C Dvorak: Tuna boat captain
No, but I knew a friend of mine
who was the tuna boat.
Adam Curry: And with that, I'd
like to thank you for your
courage say in the morning to
the man who put the seat in his
car wreck in Arizona say hello
to my friend on the other end
the one and only Mr. John Cena
in the morning to the trolls and
the troll. 2153 Well, that's not
bad. We had 2319 on the last
Thursday show. So we're in the
same ballpark. It's good to have
the trolls here. Welcome trolls,
you can join them at troll
room.io. That's the no agenda
stream is 24 hours a day. And
not only can you join there, but
you can also use a modern
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it podcast apps.com. And
starting as of today, because
these these modern podcast apps,
they don't just do podcasts,
they also do live show. So when
we go live, you get an alert,
oh, the boys are live, you take
you click on it, boom, you're in
right there, where you subscribe
to the podcast, which you also
get within 90 seconds of us
updating it. And the bands and
Bitcoin is live from Nashville.
And you can watch that live on
these modern podcast apps as
well. Not just audio, but also
video. So that's how that's the
revolution, you can't do it on
your legacy app, not with
Spotify, not with Apple, not
with Amazon, only in the modern
podcast apps. Now along with the
with the everyone supporting the
independent podcast, app
developer and that
infrastructure, which keeps the
show on the air, we also have
value for value keeping us
going. And the way that works is
whatever value you get from the
show. We don't give it we give
it all away. I mean, it's
everywhere. We distribute it
wherever we can. People use the
distributed on torrents, I don't
think they do that anymore. What
happened? I know whatever,
torrents fall out of favor,
somehow, maybe jazz only movies
John C Dvorak: now. Maybe now it
may have fallen out of favor.
People
Adam Curry: used to love that,
you know, you can get it on
IPFS, the inter interplanetary
file system, it's everywhere.
And there's no hoops or
anything, you know, you can
listen as much as you want for
as long as you want. But at
certain point, you're like,
Yeah, I'd like this to continue.
That is when you need to deliver
some value back and whatever
that is, is how much you got out
of it. For some people, that's
amazing. The amount they get,
the value they get and what they
send back, or what they do for
the show. Like people are
hitting people in the mouth or
organizing meetups, when all
kinds of things. time, talent or
treasure is the three ways you
can send value back to us and
let us know if it's if it's time
and talent, let us know what
you're doing. We just we'd love
to know we appreciate it. And of
course, at this point in the
show, we'd like to thank the
people who supported us with big
amounts doesn't mean that it's
more valuable than the $5. That
doesn't mean that at all. But
we're like Hollywood in that
regard. You know, we want to
give people credits. Executive
producer, Associate Executive
Producer, if it's $200 and above
you get that Associate Executive
producer credit and we read your
note $300 and above, executive
producer credit $3 and above and
those are credits that are real.
It is just like Hollywood. As
you can put them where the
Hollywood donations
are@imdb.com, there's over 1000
people already have done that,
or on your LinkedIn profile, it
looks interesting, and it could
get you a job.
John C Dvorak: You never know.
It's very possible, won't hurt.
Adam Curry: So let's start with
thanking our artists first
because they definitely deliver
the time and the talent. And if
I look at Episode 1679, which he
titled No jet, no deal, and the
jury's still out on whether
Biden President Biden got a net
jet card or not for his maybe
that's where his granddaughter
was crying. Just guard Graham's
Paw Paw. We had a hard time once
again, looking at whatever we
could find for artwork. Now
there's a lot of submissions,
which he loved, and somehow
Correct. A record just hit us
because you couldn't remember
the name Rehoboth Beach,
Delaware, and you kept saying
Baphomet, which is hilarious. So
it kind of worked. Because we
had you know, Biden with the
minute we started the show. That
phony baloney letter with a
forged signature came out. I
mean, let's be honest, that was
not Biden's original signature
no is no way. And so you know,
welcome to the correct record
made the sign Welcome to
Baphomet Delaware endless
discoveries abandoned elections,
ye who enter here, and it was
funny, and we liked it. We did
look at a lot of other things,
though,
John C Dvorak: actually got a
note from somebody saying hey,
you gotta just not Baphomet is
Rehoboth Beach. Oh,
Adam Curry: okay, Captain
Obvious. Hello. So there are a
number of other things. We now
we thought now we really liked
Mr. Glitch by networks. And that
would have been the winner. But
we had a unique opportunity
because we found out about
Biden's resignation on the air
so we wanted to make sure that
it at least looked like we were
current which we were I love the
people who was I can't believe
he didn't talk bad bit. So did
you even listen to the show? No.
Oh, okay.
John C Dvorak: The what? I
didn't hear what you said people
Adam Curry: people are tweeting,
axing slashing, saying I can't
believe we didn't talk about
Biden quitting. Did you listen
to the show? And what are these
people? Do they they needle
dropped 10 minutes. I don't know
what that was. So networks was a
very close second for that
reason. We wanted to see if we
could use something and there
really wasn't a lot. Dame Kenny
Ben of another fine Dutch Master
had a pallet of cash with Joe.
Thank you, which I think the
cash just wasn't clear enough.
It was too small.
John C Dvorak: Yes.
Adam Curry: honorable mention
for Francisco Scarah mangas.
Cannon Specter. Honor honorable,
very honorable mention that was
very funny. They got the biggest
was funny. It was very funny.
John C Dvorak: We'll, by the way
back to the can inspector thing.
One of the reasons I had so many
jobs because I'm from the era
where I worked every summer when
I was in high school. That's for
jobs. I worked every summer when
I was in college, just eight. So
I have eight jobs right there.
And there except for one repeat
job. Worked for International
Harvester, two different times.
They're all different. And so
it's a lot you get good stories.
Adam Curry: I mean, I got
stories. I worked in the Rose
nursery, I stacked wood. I got
job stacked wood. Yes. That was
that was a very tough summer. It
was Maha mahogany. firewood and
they had these big orange bags
and they must have been 100 by
the time you fill up an orange
bag must have been about 80
pounds. And you see it's a
filming a terrible job. Oh, it
was he had to fit him in these
it was this really heavy duty
orange plastic. I don't know if
they exist in America or in
Holland. And, and you could only
there were no handles on it. He
had to grasp it. And so your
knuckles at the end of the day
or just your your front knuckles
just completely raw from trying
to pull these bags up and then
you know, someone else would
stack it in there. You had to
kind of do it like a Tetris
puzzle. And then together you
had to lift it up and put it on
top of the stack. I mean, it was
it was a tough job.
John C Dvorak: I know it's hard.
It's called hard labor. Yeah,
well done. I avoided those jobs
like the plague. Well, I
Adam Curry: thought the rose
nursery will be great because
you're just basically sorting
rose roses. You know, you're
gonna get by laying a lot. Oh,
man, you come home. Your whole
forearm was just all scratched
up.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well,
you're probably immune to having
any reaction to a lot of
chemicals because of that.
Adam Curry: That's correct. Yes,
I'm very strong, healthy man.
Knock on wood. At Taunton, Neil
and other Dutch master did an
exit sign at the White House.
What it was the right idea was
usable, it was usable was
usable. Tanzania also did a
Harris Clinton like no that was
not usable. We knew that wasn't
going to work. And we see was
anything else A Biden ice cream
cone, the golden parachute,
Matthew Dropo is funny, but I
don't think anyone would get it
just from looking at it. See a
lot of these times people put
the title under their work and
then it's like, well now you get
it. But if you don't look at the
title, which the title is never
underneath the work and we post
the show, right, get what? You
wouldn't get the joke. Was it
anything else? Hit the road
dirty Jersey horror hit the road
Jack. Some kind of McCobb future
home of Joseph R Biden. I use
that in the newsletter library.
That was another dank, the Dutch
masters man, they are good. We
love them all. And correct the
record another fine Dutch Master
I think from from Leiden in the
Netherlands. Great job. Great
job. And we appreciate it
because no other show has this
type of production that I know
of I know that not maybe I don't
John C Dvorak: think so. And
that with this quality. overall
quality.
Adam Curry: Yes is very high and
a lot less AI in general. This
this last round, which I thought
was pretty good. Just yeah, it
was less less a which is good.
We liked that. Alright, let's
thank our executive and
Associate Executive producers
and we will start off with our
top executive producer. Like
clockwork, he comes in around
the end or the beginning of the
month. The one the only Serrana
Miss of Dogpatch. And Lois
LeBeau via we never understand
his donation amounts, they are
always kind of
John C Dvorak: so I have to talk
about this donation amount. You
want to okay, it's 21 point we
think it's a coded and so it
came in as 2114. When I counted
it, it was 2112. J, what she
does is she adds we see we
always agree, right number Yeah.
So she says yeah, I got 2114. I
said what? And she says yeah, I
said was it there was only one
$2 bill? She says no, there were
two, the $2 bills were stuck
together. So like, you know,
when you get fresh bills, these
are fresh on nor does he just
got he always
Adam Curry: he always sends
cash.
John C Dvorak: And so the $2
bills I I counted it twice. And
that $2 Bill kept coming out as
one bill. You know, interesting.
And so it's possible that he
really sent because 2112 was
more. Yeah, Palindrome right?
Adam Curry: It's possible that
he didn't know. So something
could go wrong. Whatever
John C Dvorak: the code is out
there, it could be 112 or 211.
Adam Curry: I hope no one pushed
the button yet because it could
have been a 2112 code could be
2114. Either way, it's a lot and
we really appreciate you
synonymous of Dogpatch and Loris
LeBeau. Via and he sent the
following note he always has a
printed note. Thank you to all
old and new producers for making
this a valuable source of
information perspective and
insight. Keeping my letter short
as I have no insight into
whatever is going on in the US
politics. The Gods Must Be
Crazy. No jingles no karma.
Sure, Animus. Thank you. You're
you are a real match.
John C Dvorak: Well, he I prefer
it when he has these longer
observational notes. Yeah,
they're always very education.
He
Adam Curry: must be he must be
traveling so I'm sure he'll have
something. I think he's always
traveling and but he must be
somewhere where he's a little
cut off.
John C Dvorak: Birmingham,
Alabama is is the next site of
Craig Bayless. He comes with
724 24 John and Adam thank you
so much for the sanity you
provide this community all
uppercase in these times. We
need you more than ever. Okay,
we'll take that. Please
reconsider for more years. If
2028 Looks like 2024 or 2020 my
ducks in bones donation 72424.
Ducks and bones did not catch
on. Fourth. Oh, okay. This is a
I can't remember what that
donation was on for poor Phoebe.
So please apply this for her
Dame hood. I think this may put
her over the top. All right.
Also shout out to any producers
like in the orange. Orange
Beach, Alabama area that wants
to do a meet up. There will be
at least two of you. too, if you
post one of the on the meetups,
you okay mill and Nagios know
Kurt from Craig. Hi,
Adam Curry: Craig. Thank you
very much. Nice number brother.
I appreciate that. On to William
Levin Berg. He's in Los Angeles,
California. 350 and 58/4 time
executive producer, send jobs
carnamah as well as crypto
trading karma, so I can donate
more money to the best pod in
the universe. Saying that all
hell is gonna break loose and
you're gonna need a bit cost
Unknown: jobs. Jobs, jobs and
jobs for jobs. Pharma.
John C Dvorak: Now we have
virtuoso guitarist Jackie green
and orange Vale, California
Jackie green, Jackie grade 350.
And he just says a short simple
note Keep up the good work boys.
Thank
Adam Curry: you Jackie Harjeet
Dosanjh Dosanjh Do you think
that's how I pronounce it? In
California there? Is it Fremont
or friands California?
John C Dvorak: Fry it I guess I
never heard of that harshly. I
don't know what this how to
pronounce his name either.
Adam Curry: So Harjeet says in
the Morning John out of my
husband, Raj Dosanjh. has been
listening to your show since
2009. And he's an executive
producer and regularly monitor
donor. I would listen in the car
when we took road trips together
and he loves your show. Well,
after all these years, I finally
got hit in the mouth and now I
listen to no agenda on my own
and I also love it. You guys are
amazing and I value the show so
I'm making my own donation
please add me to the birthday
list turning 57 on July 27 Okay,
you're on it. We value the
wonderful work you both do for
all of us hard working Americans
give me some good karma and a
bomb them bomb them and bomb
them again a thank you.
Unknown: In fact, I would say
bomb a bomb and then bomb them
again.
You've got
John C Dvorak: Eric Yan Newman
in
Adam Curry: Noma Hey, Norman.
Eric young woman you're gonna
kill nomen in The
John C Dvorak: Hague in the
Netherlands 33333 In the
morning, John and Adam. I've had
some health issues the last
couple of months. But those are
now fixed good. So here's a
donation to celebrate jingles
don't enslave me. Camelot and
don't enslave me Camela and an F
cancer please sir manila
envelope in The Hague,
Netherlands. And
Unknown: flav me camp
Adam Curry: karma. Yes. And
before we move on, we got to a
sad note that we were looking
for Dame Elise Garling our
Lehmann cello producer Dame Yes,
and it seems that her breast
cancer has returned and there's
a GoFundMe I'll put that in the
in the show notes. But we we I
want to give her some karma as
well. And I'm gonna give her
some F cancer karma because
that's horrible. And she had
beaten it so she can beat it
again
and of course I prayed for helps
even more. Dame mama Susan,
Escondido, California 333 dot
33. Hay Day mama Susan of the
North County San Diego here. I'd
like to do a belated birthday
switcheroo for my st. son James
Beals and go towards his
knighthood xx Oh, all right. de
mama. James Beals, it is James
Beals and he's on the list.
John C Dvorak: We're gonna go to
Dixie Washington, sir. Dr. 1%
Baron of liberal land, which is
Washington State. Dixie,
Oklahoma. Dixie Washington.
Sorry. Three, three 3.33 News.
You got some jingles requests
right to top Trump is hard to
get it aroused George Bush send
your cash and a goat scream.
Greetings fellas. And all of
Gitmo Nation. I'm back to kick
the sad puppy with 33333 of
treasurer my last donation was
October 28 of last year in
keeping with my practice of
setting aside 1% of my gross
business revenues for no agenda.
Thank you. It has taken this
long to climb out of the student
loan debt I incurred securing my
PhD in media deconstruction.
Before Yes, before amassing
another executive producer chunk
of change, I received zero help
from the Biden installation and
my education debt. So add that
to the malarkey spewing from the
firehose of lies. Thank you
again for all you do when you
hear from me next, I will be
claiming the title of Vi
countered faithfully suppressing
your exit strategy 1% at a time
with no federal subsidies, sir
Dr. 1% barren of liberal land
and Dixie Washington that was
hard
Unknown: to get it aroused and
it is hard to get it aroused,
but we got it arrest.
Adam Curry: I know a lot of
people want to send blankets or
John C Dvorak: water. Just in
your cash.
Unknown: You've got our money.
Adam Curry: Thank you. So Doctor
1% Mine cosmos is in bad
belling? Oh, it's Germany. Bots
belling in a bad Bellingen Hey,
Bob belling in in Deutschland
Hello, Deutschland. Here's the
half 333 Mine Cosmos Dear John
Adam the way don't always share
your perspective on reality I do
appreciate and learn from it. No
jingles no karma but please de
douche. You've been de deuced
and it goes on to say aloha
Lucas aka mine Cosmos PS Sumo is
awesome. Awesome, awesome. And
John C Dvorak: Terena Fuji
render Fuji is still going
strong pack okay yeah the Yakuza
una ser skip logic and Spring
Hill, Tennessee 2655 9/65
birthday year in the list and I
beat Medicare donation which
refers to Joe Biden is 65 Thanks
for insight and entertainment
moving karma requested sir skip
logic in Spring Hill, Tennessee,
Adam Curry: moving karma.
Unknown: You've got karma
Adam Curry: that went to the
Executive Associate Executive
producers here with Candace Mae
and Nelson British Columbia,
Canada. Navia 233. By
John C Dvorak: the way, I want
to mention this before I forget.
We're moving her that comes out
to 320 mugs. I believe she moves
up yep. She's uh, she gets moved
up to executive producer.
Adam Curry: Thank you very much,
Candace, you will be credited
properly and it's also it's
actually a switcheroo because
this donation will be dedicated
to Craig seedhouse for his
birthday on July 24. So Craig
will receive an executive
producer ship for episode 16 at
Happy Birthday Craig thanks for
everything X. Oh, Candice.
John C Dvorak: Casey van heel in
Columbus, Ohio, Ohio. To 1060
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kept with Joe Biden or JCD I got
hairy legs. I dubbed this combo
the song of Baphomet. May this
goat throated choir a carry Joe
toward the Valhalla of becoming
the answer to the semi difficult
Trivial Pursuit question. Thank
you for everything you do
fellows Casey van heel person of
merit PS Adam, could you point
me to where I could find your
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to deprive the library. Oh,
she's got something for you.
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Adam Curry: very easy. It's very
easy. It's Pio box 1849 Like the
40 Niners in California 1849 in
Fredericksburg, Texas. Oh 78624
Okay, so after you hear the bell
remember man a good man ma'am.
That's when you do the hairy leg
so standby
Unknown: this I got hairy legs.
You've got
Adam Curry: the song of Baphomet
beautiful. Eli the coffee guy
comes in with 207 25 from
Bensenville Illinois in the
morning. We are sending this
missive from the North Woods,
enjoying nature breathing fresh
air and watching Eagles fly
overhead. I think they soar
between the assassination
attempt on dj t and the media
being on a full frontal
offensive to shove Kamala down
our throats. It's good to take a
break and unplug sometimes
nothing like a cold beer while
fishing on a quiet Lake and of
course, a hot cup of coffee on a
brisk morning. Can I get travel
karma for everyone out there
trying to get away for a mid
summer break and visit gigawatt
coffee roasters.com and use code
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because a good cup of coffee is
a little vacation in itself.
Stay caffeinated says Eli the
coffee guy and I would like to
thank him for sending another
mini care package including and
this was perfect. Tina ran out
of her. Her elite decaffeinated
coffee which she's been drinking
decaffeinated for a couple of
months now. And so she gets some
elite stuff sent to her and
beans and she grinds it up and
yeah, so that she was she came
back from a visit to her, her
family in Indiana and And she
was at a coffee and she was
really bummed. But just in time,
the care package came and Eli
had offered had enclosed some,
some very nice decaf coffee and
she loved it. So thank you very
much. saved my bacon.
Unknown: You've got karma.
John C Dvorak: Got a care
package from them too, just in
time. I go through about a pound
every week. Linda LAPACK hands
up.
Adam Curry: Now, Jill, oh, yeah,
I'm sorry. Yeah, I'll do. I'll
do Jill. You do Linda? Yes,
that's fine.
John C Dvorak: There goes the
smoothness of the show. 200
bucks. She wants jobs karma. For
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Unknown: jobs,
jobs and jobs for jobs.
Adam Curry: Oh, well, wouldn't
you know what there's Jill
Melcher from Havertown.
Pennsylvania $200.60 donation
from Jill Melcher to deduce my
husband for his birthday. Oh,
well, okay. You've been de Deus.
Now she says. See note sent an
email but I didn't receive
anything. John, did you receive
anything? No, I
John C Dvorak: don't get
anything. And by the way, if you
guys people are going to send a
notes make sure you put donation
in the subject line.
Adam Curry: Now. Do we at least
have Jill's husband on the
birthday? No birthdays? Let me
see. Yeah, well, we have we have
as your husband, but we'll
gladly read your note if you
send it to notes at no agenda.
show.net.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's your
best bet. Now we have Aaron
Moreno in Covina, California.
And it was Nadine. From me
actually Cal CAMI Forney as
well. He likes to have his Erin
and Nadine from California.
Greetings, John and Adams $200.
In addition to the donation
please find enclosed Ayaka Zuna
Taro, no Fuji, Toronto footwear
and a Fuji towel which he sent
me. It's the knowledge that you
have. If you go to the sumo
thing you see people holding up
these towels. It's got the guy's
name on that you're a fan of
cool, so I got this out.
Dynamite by the way, is a little
more colorful than I'd expect.
And a May 2024 tournament
programming that the wife and I
picked her wife and I picked up
for you. During our recent trip
to Japan being a big sumo fan
like John watching top division
sumo in person at the home of
the Sumo. Real Goku was one of
the highlights of our three week
romp to northern Japan.
Unfortunately, Yokozuna was
injured on day two. Yes, he was
he's been a missed two
tournaments in a row actually
from URIs. Oh, no. So far. He's
Lebanon in one in this
tournament with a couple of days
left. And I've come to the
conclusion. I've watched all his
matches, that as long as he
doesn't fall, fall down or get
knocked down. He'll be fine but
it's an I noticed all the
injuries I'm actually concerned
about this all the injuries to
the sumo guys is when they get
tossed or they fall off the
whole thing is elevate and they
go fallen into the crowd it's
they always get injured
Adam Curry: now do the sumo guys
actually get picked up and
tossed
John C Dvorak: Yeah, wow yeah,
there was one get picked up and
tossed. Yeah, wow. Yeah. We had
a handle to this morning show
which is last night's tumor.
There's a I had locked toss and
the the Ozeki grabbed this guy
by the head and flipped and
flipped him up in the air you
guys what? 400 pounds or so and
he goes, fallen into the crowd.
Adam Curry: It's amazing.
Dangerous you and your sweaty
fat guys. Some interest sweaty
fat guys. Yes.
John C Dvorak: But the good news
is that he's looking good during
the early stages talking about
terreno Fuji in the July
tournament and currently sits at
five and Oh, this isn't these 11
to one now. an ephah sumo talk
he says. Thanks to the two of
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Unknown: is this we go out yet
people in the mouth
Adam Curry: as you know,
speaking of I'm going to lead
you into it speaking of the art,
the AI art, there was a very
interesting study that came out.
And this is in think Nature
magazine had a report on it. Ai
models fed AI generated data
quickly spew nonsense, research
money, this is the model
collapse theory, researchers
gave successive versions of a
large language model information
produced by a previous
generation of the AI and
observed rapid collapse. And
this article is worth watching
because they show AI art how
within nine generations of of
importing information that comes
from a you know that is
synthetic comes from AI, the art
actually degrade significantly.
And
John C Dvorak: this makes
nothing but sense. So here's
Adam Curry: an example of the
study authors train their large
language model and Wikipedia
articles and train successive
generations of the model on the
text produced by the previous
version. prompted to follow on
from a paragraph of text from
the Wikipedia entry on grade one
listed buildings in Somerset in
the UK, the models output the
following text so here's
generation zero. So this is just
what from feeding it original
Wikipedia information, which by
itself is sketchy. Yeah, here's
here's generation zero Revival
architecture such as St. John's
Cathedral in London. The
earliest surviving example of
perpendicular Revival
architecture is found in the
18th. At sign at sign century
church of Our Lady of Guernsey,
which dates from the late 19th
century, there are two types of
perpendicular per hyphen
perpendicular churches colon
those now we go to generation
nine architecture in addition to
being home to some of the
world's largest populations of
black at sign at sign tail jack
rabbits white at sign at sign
tail jack rabbits blue outside,
outside tail jack rabbits, red
at sign outside tail jack
rabbits comma yellow at sign. So
this whole nonsense is gonna
take care of itself. And the
great thing about it is
everything takes care of it's
every generation that you create
costs exponentially more to
train the model. So as you spend
more money to trains the to
train the model or she gets
John C Dvorak: worse, so the
more money you spend, the worse
it gets. Pretty much true.
That's an ironic twist.
Adam Curry: I love it. And I'm
happy. That means that we'll all
take as you said, it'll all take
care of itself.
John C Dvorak: And, and good
except for the fact that Darren
O'Neal's on a roll I got the new
AI Bs is interesting. This is
new AI BS clips. This is clip
one Meadows
Unknown: new artificial
intelligence models speaks eight
languages rights higher quality
computer code and solves complex
math problems. But at what cost
entities Andrew Thomas spoke
with a data scientist to learn
more about the impact on users
and regulators. The
rapidly evolving AI industry
requires an increasing amount of
data to make strides met his
latest tech llama three arrives
us tech companies raised to show
off their data hungry language
models. Data Scientist Sidharth
Gupta explains that tech
companies do take measures to
protect user data but they're
not perfect. Why
companies It is best to
anonymize the data set while
using for AI development.
Adam Curry: Oh yes, we try very
hard.
Unknown: There could be issues
that they have not accounted for
while doing so. And security is
obviously a big concern, as I
mentioned, because data breaches
are not uncommon. Companies
have been collecting user data
for some time. But Gupta says
they need to be clear about
their intentions, we
need to account for many
different risks in this like
transparency is another big one,
like you need to make sure that
users are aware of how their
data is used is used. user
consent is another important
issue here. Like, are the
companies making sure that
they're getting consent from
users before they make use of
the data. Okay, I'm
Adam Curry: confused, is, first
of all, this isn't they released
this open source this new llama
model, which is great, because
you know, no one else can charge
for it. I think if if you have
more than 700,000 700 million
users, then you have to pay a
license fee. So pretty much
everybody can use it. But is he
talking about the model sucking
in personal data? Yes,
John C Dvorak: he's worried
about that. No kidding. Unless
you give it up your unless you
have actually given permission,
which I think is reasonable.
Yeah. The trouble is, is going
to suck it up whether you like
it or not, especially Western
second up random databases. It's
just it's a nightmare for
everybody. Everybody, there's
some lawsuits involved, that
will happen eventually. Although
they're going to have the the
EULA thing is really the the the
problem hit this gotta go, it's
gotta go, it's gotta go.
Unknown: Alright, part two.
Gupta emphasizes the vast amount
of data available to tech
companies to train their AI
models
vary, they have access to
depending on which company is
developing it, and what platform
they own. They have access to
almost all of the information
that user generates on their
platform, as well as on the open
Internet. And so they can
collect all of that while
developing this AI and making it
better over time. Gupta
knows that artificial
intelligence is outpacing
regulation, he expects the gap
to close. But in the meantime,
tech companies will have to
balance innovation against user
data protection and privacy.
Adam Curry: Well, which is never
gonna happen. Did you happen to
see the Abu Dhabi autonomous
Racing League this past weekend?
John C Dvorak: I did not. Oh,
Adam Curry: it was great. So you
had these a Phoebe quiet yet
these she doesn't like aI she
hates it. So you have these race
cars look very much like the
other super formula racers. And
they're there's no driver they
drive on AI and you've got to
watch this video because the
Olsen the cars are just juking
in the middle of a straightaway
you know turning left turning
right. One of them just crashing
into the wall you know spinning
out pulling off the track and
just stopping yellow flag you
know where you can't you can't
be past cars in front of you. So
the so these cars just stopped
they just stopped the middle of
the track stop. It was it was
fantastic. And then we'll have
one
John C Dvorak: car stops and
they said she can't pass it they
will stop no
Adam Curry: but that car the car
the cars won't stop. But these
two of these cars just stopped.
And and the grid the best thing
is the commentators they're
like, well, these cars are
really pushing the edges of
science. Now they suck. It was
amazing. And you've got it's
like there's a great video it's
in the show notes.
John C Dvorak: The then it must
cost a fortune for one of these
cars. Then
Adam Curry: CBS had quite the
story on AI in healthcare
because this is one of the real
world applications where it's I
mean, it's going to be
phenomenal. It's going to it's
going to you know those of you
who are pre dead it's gonna save
you from dying is his AI is
great Major Garrett has the
story.
Unknown: This spring, Google
unveiled a an AI overview
feature where answers from
Google's chatbot started to
appear above search results for
many health related queries,
just apps, and Google will do
the googling for you. sounds
good in theory, in practice,
there have been some glitches.
chatbots shared misguided
medical advice that was
sometimes comical, sometimes
dangerous. In the first week of
this new tools use one user said
Google AI gave her tips for what
to do if you get bitten by a
rattlesnake that included
sucking out the venom that
advice if followed could be
lethal. The AI technology also
gave advice on how to get a
week's old baby to eat their
vegetables. Physicians say
infants should not eat solid
food until after six months of
age. Google AI even recommended
eating quote at least one small
rock per day unquote, to
increase vitamin and mineral
intake That advice was lifted
from an article in the onion, a
well known satirical website.
Google says it has limited
inclusion of satire and humor
sites and overviews and removed
ones that for the wrong reason
went viral oh
Adam Curry: so from now on all
AI is going to be humorless Well
that's no good
John C Dvorak: well, you know
you can't stop this because a
lot you know, the Babylon B.
Nowadays the onion it used to be
this way, but not as much but
take the onion, the Babylon B,
they are symbolically viruses.
Yeah, that get into the model
and screw it up and kill it, or
make you give you tips like
eating a rock. That this is an
interesting little twist. No, it
gets better a Google Sam by the
way, a lot of the Babylon B and
onion stuff is posted out
everywhere. Yeah, you can block
those two sites. But this
doesn't mean they're not out
there. I mean, I always I use a
Babylon B piece every so often
in my main section of the
newsletter, who
Adam Curry: in their right mind
thought it would be a good idea
to use the internet as your
input source.
John C Dvorak: Commodity with a
low budget. A Google
spokesperson
Unknown: tells CBS News for
health queries, we've always had
strong quality and safety
guardrails in place including
disclaimers that remind people
that it's important to seek out
expert advice, but not all of
it. CBS News confirmed that some
health misinformation persists
on the tool queries about
introducing solid foods to
infants under six months old,
still returned tips in late June
when we tested it searches on
the health benefits of dubious
wellness trends like detoxes or
drinking raw milk included
debunked claims Oh, no.
John C Dvorak: Oh, they put the
raw milk propaganda in their
Adam Curry: propaganda and more
propaganda what that's about?
Yeah, well, let's continue
despite
Unknown: the quirks and outright
errors, many healthcare leaders
remain optimistic about AI
chatbots. In the long run, I
think these technologies are
going to do us a lot of good.
One
of them is Dr. Nigam Shaw, chief
data scientist at Stanford
healthcare.
When Google Search came around,
everybody was like panicking
that you know, his patients will
self diagnose, and there'll be
all hell break loose didn't
happen. Same thing will go
through that phase with
chatbots. That yes, of course,
the new ones that are not fully
formed will make mistakes, and a
couple of them will be bad. But
by and large, having information
at your disposal when there's no
other option is a good thing.
Adam Curry: I mean, just wait
until these chat bots start
sucking up their own advice and
putting that into the model. I
mean, I predict right now, help
desk humans will be a big and
good paying job in the future.
People who actually know what's
going on in the company, not
just reading a script. And it
will be the differentiator with
being named what company people
choose. I can predict it right
now.
John C Dvorak: It's not I don't
know how much of a prediction it
is because it's been proven to
be the case. Generally speaking,
from the days of was that word
processor that was bought by
somebody else, it was
WordPerfect WordPerfect. The
word processor does your back in
the 80s, I guess, late 80s was
always word star. Yeah. And then
there was other ones zire,
right. And there's a bunch of
these different word processors,
but WordPerfect came along, I
think it's not a Utah with the
thesis that customer service,
real customer service where you
could call them up if you had
any issues at all with
formatting or anything else. And
they had banks of people made
started to make WordPerfect the
number one word processor, not
because it was the best by any
means. It wasn't as far as I'm
concerned. And never but it was
had the best customer service
was real people who would talk
to you. And it was very
appealing. And I think you're
dead. Right? This is what's
missing. You know, you call
these things these machines up
and they walk you through a
bunch of bull crap to get into a
person to talk to as it's
annoying, dude, whether you
could just cut to the chase. I
know. Not understanding the
mechanism here necessarily known
fact. You know
Adam Curry: what's also
annoying? Is these political
text messages. I don't get him.
I just got it. JD Vance.
Emergency Broadcast to Deep
State raised over a quarter of a
billion dollars for Kamala, my
emergency response link stopped
to end. Brother. Oh,
John C Dvorak: that's no good.
Adam,
Adam Curry: can I give you a
call? It's Donald Trump. I need
your endorsement for the first
presidential debate. Oh, that
was June 28. Sorry. That's the
same same number. Oh my god. I
mean, they you do start to end
and they just text From a
different number it never stops.
Anyway, back to Major Garrett,
last clip for him. Hi, I'm
Sarah. This
Unknown: is the World Health
Organization's chatbot Sara.
Sara pulls information from the
World Health Organization and
trusted partners. How can I
lower my risk of heart attack
focus on a balanced diet,
regular exercise,
but managing stress.
Advocates of chatbots are quick
to say that physicians like bots
can make mistakes. Estimates
vary, but a 2022 study by the
Department of Health and Human
Services found up to 2% of
emergency room patients each
year may have suffered harm from
a misdiagnosis with the right
design and oversight. Ai
chatbots might one day give
better medical advice and reach
more patients in need three ma
but if you are turning to an AI
chatbot for health advice today,
note the warning that comes with
Google's version. Info quality
may vary. Hey,
Adam Curry: that should be on
our show. No agenda, info
quality may vary. Info quality
may vary, but is that the end it
cost what is an AI query is like
10 to 30 times more expensive in
Compute and energy. This is a
disaster. Disaster. I love it.
John C Dvorak: And the result
gives us something to complain
about
Adam Curry: all the results are
in Sam Altman. It's very
important that we get to AGI
very complicated and I stopped
talking. Sam Altman did a
universal basic income pilot
test. Because he's convinced
that his chat to GPT will put
hundreds of millions of people
out of work, so we need to
distribute the wealth evenly.
The results are in
Unknown: this morning new
insight into whether a universal
basic income could one day be
sustainable is from a study
conducted by Sam Altman, the CEO
of open AI who has warned about
major job losses across certain
industries. As artificial
intelligence grows more
powerful. The
speed of the change that may
happen here is the part that I
worry about the most.
Altman study gave 1000 low
income people $1,000 per month
over a three year period. It was
free money, no strings attached.
It's something former
presidential candidate Andrew
Yang supported during the 2020
campaigns.
This would create millions of
jobs make our children and
families stronger, and give all
Americans a better chance to
transition and the economy of
the 21st century.
Altman's study found people
mostly spent the extra money on
basics such as food, rent and
transportation. The largest
increase in their spending was
to help family and friends with
their bills. Many people also
put money in the bank. On
average with the extra money
they worked about one hour less
per week, the research was
conducted amid concerns that
artificial intelligence will
eventually make millions of jobs
obsolete, leaving many people
scrambling to find new ways to
make a living
with every great technological
revolution in human history.
Although it has been true that
the jobs change a lot. Some jobs
even go away. And I'm sure we'll
see a lot of that here.
Critics dismissed the idea of a
universal basic income as
unAmerican, comparing it to
socialism, saying it would lead
to dependency and suffocate
innovation in the economy. But
tech industry titans including
Elon Musk, Twitter, co founder
Jack Dorsey, and the so called
godfather of artificial
intelligence, Geoffrey Hinton
support it.
I'm very worried about AI taking
over lots of mundane jobs. And
that should be a good thing.
It's going to lead to a big
increase in productivity, which
leads to a big increase in
wealth. And if that wealth was
equally distributed, that will
be great. So
Adam Curry: they're all full of
crap. It doesn't lead to more
productivity people work less.
Yeah, I have free money. I don't
think I'll take a day off. This
is dumb. Sam Altman, I got to
work on that.
John C Dvorak: My year Gagnaire.
Like getting close.
Adam Curry: Like every tech
innovation. There's always not
always
John C Dvorak: a lot of gravel.
Yeah, often time away jobs.
Adam Curry: Very, we need
regulation to protect the
incumbents. And I have a plug in
hybrid that costs $30 million.
I'm Sam Altman.
John C Dvorak: Plug in a hybrid,
which is what that thing is.
Adam Curry: This is no good. I
can't wait for the collapse.
John C Dvorak: Oh, there's no
collapse. Yes. All right. It's
coming. What do we have? Oh, I
Adam Curry: have actually, I
have a little mini series here.
This is about the pharmacy
benefit managers. This is
something that you A Trump
worked on you remember that? He
says I'm getting rid of these
guys in the middle. The end he
said a lot of people not gonna
like it not gonna like what I'm
doing not gonna like it. You
remember that? No. Oh, well this
is the problem when people say
why is it so expensive in
America? Why is drugs so
expensive? Well here are let me
see three clips to from CNBC.
The first was NBC because there
was a hearing on the Hill about
the pharmacy benefit managers
who are the middlemen who jack
up the prices
Unknown: tonight the powerful
middlemen managing prescription
drug access for millions of
Americans grilled on Capitol
Hill,
people are dying because they
can't afford their medication.
And you all are part of the
problem. pharmacy
benefit managers or PBMs are
responsible for negotiating
pharmacy prices with drug
manufacturers. They're being
accused of profiting by
inflating drug costs and
squeezing Main Street pharmacies
impacting patients. One survey
shows nearly three in 10
Americans have rationed or
skipped doses of prescribed
medicines due to high costs,
your
setting dramatically different
prices for some medications
across the country. If
you're not delivering an outcome
to the people who use it. How
long do you all think you're
gonna have a job?
During the heated and
complicated bipartisan hearing?
Adam Curry: I feel like the more
I hear the less I understand.
Democratic Congressman
Unknown: ro Khanna pointed to
the case of a 10 year old girl
who he says needed HUMIRA to
treat her juvenile arthritis,
but was denied for six months.
But while her arthritis got
worse,
they were saying that the doctor
needed to prescribe something
cheaper. Can you make a
commitment today that you'll
privilege the doctor's
recommendation over the
bureaucracies recommendation?
As a physician, I hope you
understand this. We value our
partnership with physicians,
executives
from the three largest PBMs
responsible for managing access
to nearly 80% of all
prescription drugs in the US
pushed back on allegations they
drive up prices. Last year
alone, we saved our clients $64
billion. They blame brand
manufacturers who they say
raised drug costs up to 60%.
It's hard
work to keep those costs down on
patients and clients.
Adam Curry: So that was very
cagey report from NBC knowing of
course that they don't really
want to bite the hand that feeds
them, but they still had to
report on it. As CNBC got a
little bit closer and start off
with the explanation that what
these guys really do. They just
sit in the middle and they just
drive up the cost the FTC
John C Dvorak: issuing an
interim report and its two year
probe into the big pharmacy
benefit middlemen was some
damning conclusion. So we were
right all along middlemen person
comes joins us now it's more
Unknown: they Bertha. Hey, Joe,
the FTC is interim report argues
that pharmacy benefit managers
PBMs have gotten too big and
points to the ways that these
middlemen allegedly inflate drug
prices allegedly or profits,
like the treatment of specialty
drugs, high cost or complex
drugs to treat special
conditions. It outlines how the
Big Three PBM CVS Caremark,
Cygnus Express Scripts, and
UnitedHealth optim have amped up
their sales growth by
designating more and more drugs
and specialty pharmaceuticals,
which they then make patients
buy at their preferred
pharmacies. One example the
report highlights the price of
the generic version of cancer
drug Gleevec to treat leukemia
generic and 2022 PBM preferred
pharmacies were reimbursed
$2,700 a month for the drugs 40
times the net cost of $66. And
the report cites a quote from a
PBM rep admitting to a
consultant that they'd actually
designed their plan to, quote
aggressively steer customers to
home delivery, where the generic
cost is 200 times higher, over
$19,000 Amazon non preferred
outlets like Costco which
customers might not go know to
go to charge $97.
Adam Curry: So now that they're
just reading the report, but if
you really want to get the full
insight on how it works, you got
to go to the One and Only Mr.
Big Pharma himself, who of
course sees the cutting out of
the middlemen only benefiting
his employers, mainly Pfizer.
Scott
Unknown: Gottlieb problem is
that the way that the
discounting happens in the
marketplace right now, we've
talked about this before, is to
back into rebates. So what
happens is the PBMs negotiate
with the drug makers to extract
discounts. Those discounts are
paid in the form of rebates that
are paid after the transaction
takes place. So if you're a
patient, you go to the pharmacy,
and there's $1,000 medication
and medications listed $1,000
list price. So take for example,
the weight loss drugs that we've
talked about. The PBM might
negotiate with the drug maker
for a $500 rebate on that drug.
But when you're at the pharmacy
counter, you're going to pay
$1,000 and your insurance
insurance gonna pay $1,000 So if
you have a 20 percent copay on
the medicine, your copay is
going to be $200. Now later,
perhaps six months later, the
drug maker will pay a $500
rebate back to the insurance
company. So the actual cost to
the insurance company was $500.
What the drug maker got paid was
$500. But the patient paid at
the pharmacy counter was $200.
And those rebates when they go
back to the insurance company,
the insurance company typically
doesn't give it back to the
patient, what they do is use all
those rebates collectively, to
pay down the cost of the
premiums. And so there's heavy
discounting in the marketplace
driven by the PBMs. But those
discounts aren't always flowing
back to the patients who are out
of pocket for the cost and
medications. Now, some PBMs like
CVS, and others have launched
initiatives to try to get the
rebates back to the patient at
the pharmacy counter through
their true cost initiative and
other other PBMs are doing this.
But employers who are ultimately
responsible for setting those
contracts, they like the rebates
because it allows them to offset
the costs in their