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1694: Gorgeous

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John C Dvorak: No, just load up.
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Unknown: Adam curry. John C Dvorak, Thursday,
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Adam Curry: September 12, 2024 this is your award winning
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Gilbert nation. Media assassination Episode 1694,
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Unknown: this is no agenda.
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Adam Curry: We are hyperscalers, and we're broadcasting live from
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the heart of the Texas Hill Country, right here in FEMA
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Region. Number six in the morning. Everybody. I'm Adam
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curry and
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John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all
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asking the question as to why did MTV become a station ground
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for Satanists. I'm John C Dvorak. It's
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Unknown: Craig Vaughn
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Adam Curry: and buzzkill in the morning. Oh, man, you actually
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watched.
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John C Dvorak: I caught it by accident.
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Adam Curry: First of all, what a who's doing the scheduling over
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there? What a dumb, dumb timing to do the MTV awards?
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John C Dvorak: Well, like I said, I didn't watch it. I
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didn't I was just going through channels, and I ran, actually
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ran into the span onto the Spanish channel. So it was all
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subtitled to try to learn a little more Spanish, yeah, and I
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just caught the end of it. It was terrible. And
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Adam Curry: here's a good idea, let's do a big award show with
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Satanists on 911
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's pretty funny. I
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Adam Curry: i could not this the first time in, oh man, 3030,
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something years, I just I could not watch, but I have no best
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John C Dvorak: part. What did I Well, trans Maoist stuff at the
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end,
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Unknown: oh goodness. See,
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Adam Curry: this is, this is why I'm happy I didn't watch. Did
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you know what to expect? It's the same every single year.
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Actually, I think I I decided not to watch when I read this
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article from CNBC, when viewers tune into the 2024, MTV VMAs,
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which, by the way, that's, that's just a little craw here
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for me, stuck on my craw. But well, because back in my day, we
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would say VMAs, and then the producer would come on and go,
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Yeah, that's a burn. You have to say Video Music Awards. You
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can't say VMAs. Oh, interesting. They wouldn't let us say
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John C Dvorak: that. Actually, I should stop. Just mentioned
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before I forget that when I tuned it in, by accident, I
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thought it was the adult video movie award because I did the
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outfits. The outfit now scantly glad that was a show
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Adam Curry: back in the day the AVN avns, yeah, with the same
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time was Ava, dull video, no, I think it was AVN wasn't it? Um,
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wasn't that same time as Comdex, I want to say
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John C Dvorak: yeah. Well, it was, you did crossover, yeah,
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yeah,
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Adam Curry: yeah, honey, I really have to go to Comdex this
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year. It's really important, you know, I'll just go the last few
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days. That's always better. Yeah, don't even see the
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beginning. Don't need the keynotes. As part of a new
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partnership between Paramount global the parent company of
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cable and TV network MTV, and shoppable advertising company
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shop sense AI viewers will be able to shop the outfits they're
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seeing on screen using the startup's new AI powered lens,
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which will launch at the start of the award show. I was done
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like, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think so.
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John C Dvorak: You have to watch these religiously, yes, but you
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Adam Curry: know, and then I'd report, and it's a grumbling,
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grumbling the whole while. Yeah, hey, guess what? Satanism.
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Satanism. Again. Guess what? Everybody, Satanism. So I got
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tired of that. You know, we're in this I did have a for the
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first time in many, many years. I had a moment of weakness. The
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other day. I said the Ts, I really love my job, but I'm
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tired of the loop. You know, the media has just become so
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predictable, so dumb, and you know, most people are starting
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to figure it out. You know, it's like, how much longer before I,
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you know, before I do something drastic? Don't you ever have
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that feeling? And we're just in this perpetual loop.
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John C Dvorak: It always he has enough. It's like, it's like a
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stamp collecting,
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Adam Curry: podcasting. Just like stamp collecting, yeah?
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Another thing chicks think is really hot, yeah, sure. Oh
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John C Dvorak: yeah. The chicks would all go from the podcasters
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and the stamp collectors, the stamp collectors and figurines,
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action figures, Star
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Adam Curry: Trek action figures, Star
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John C Dvorak: Trek, specifically, chick magnet.
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Yeah,
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Adam Curry: so I interrupted you about the poop loop you were
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going to say,
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John C Dvorak: I don't know what I was going to say now.
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Adam Curry: Well, you were saying the news has enough, and
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then you said, stamp collecting. Guys said, Don't you get tired
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of the of the cycle of this continuous No, I
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John C Dvorak: find it. It's interesting because they, they.
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They're not standing still. They're always doing new stuff.
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I have a number of debate clips here, and to dig into the
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deconstruction to find these little idiosyncratic things,
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let's talk about the debate. Well, let
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Adam Curry: me start for one second, and then I'll let you
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get to get your clips. Clips. You've got clips. Yes, here's
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how the meeting went. Mr. President, you were so effective
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on the previous debate. You were calm and collected. More of
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that, please.
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Unknown: They're eating the dogs.
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Adam Curry: Mr. President, that's not exactly what we
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meant.
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John C Dvorak: That's great stuff. But first of all, what
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did you think? Who won?
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Adam Curry: Well, I have, I have a different thoughts than who
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won. If you want to hear them, I'll tell you what I thought.
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First of all, I never underestimate President Trump's
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ability to effectively communicate to the American
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people. You know, he's a UFC, he's a showbiz guy. He
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understands, he understands the American psyche. But this was
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not his arena. This was not a debate. This was not a UFC
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Smackdown. This was a courtroom. Now, if you've ever been in
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court, and I recognize this this, it's a very uneasy
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experience when the other side, whether it's whether if it's a
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civil case, or if a prosecutor is up there, is making their
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case against you, even if they're not lying, it can make
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you question yourself. And I remember this so well from my
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MTV domain name case, people should look it up, if you don't
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know, because it was very clear to me how that went down. They
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said, Oh, you know, you can, you can use it. Don't worry. We've
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got the AOL keyword. We're not interested in the internet. Yes,
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exactly. We're not interested. And and then the the Viacom
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lawyer stood up and they explained the version of the
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truth from their side and and it was the same feeling I had were
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watching this, you know this, this courtroom drama was not a
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not a debate by any stretch of the imagination. And I was like,
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Oh, I recognize this feeling. This is what happens when you're
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in a courtroom. So when the truth is being bent or told from
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a different perspective, or if it's a lie, you can't help but
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respond. So this trolling that Vice President Harris did, she's
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an expert at this, because she's a prosecutor, and I think that
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he was unprepared for that, and it made him protest too much,
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and we were the jury. We were the jury watching this, knowing
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our version of the truth, and had to shut up and sit silently
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as you do in the jury box. So her gestures, her glances,
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looking straight at the defendant, all courtroom drama,
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but this, of course, isn't Judge Judy, it wasn't a debate. This
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is a representation, actually, of the US legal system as it is
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today. And in this case, we had two judges instead of
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moderators, and we the neuter jury were sitting on the
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sidelines. So afterwards, and this is maybe where my fatigue
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came from, all the discussion that ensued was just part of the
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culture war economy. You know, cable news, big podcast names
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like code Bongino and Megyn Kelly and Beck and everyone's
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always but they felt gypped. Now, on the other hand, I I have
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trust in the real American people, not the culture war
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economy, who are struggling, who heard his repeated messages
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about the economy, repetition works about immigration, yes,
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they're eating the dogs. I think was genius, because in America
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today, but around the world, but in America, certainly we got fur
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babies. We got dog tours. Oh, someone's kid got raped and
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killed. Tough luck. What they're coming for the dogs. I think
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that actually worked and war. So I can't say that there was a win
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for the for for the for the talkers. Kamala Harris did a
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phenomenal job as a prosecutor. She didn't really say much, or
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didn't say anything. Explain much about her.
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John C Dvorak: A lot. She did a great job of that. But
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Adam Curry: would you agree that this was a she's a prosecutor,
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and this is what she has done her entire life, and Trump was
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not prepared. And quite honestly, I don't think you can
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prepare to be in the witness box or be on trial in a courtroom.
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Just look at how Trump is in the courtroom. It's very difficult.
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And really, as a witness, you had your lawyer can do stuff for
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you, ie your surrogates, but you really, you're defenseless in
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that case. And so, for that matter, if there's a win, I
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think it's on Trump's side, because he got his message out.
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Can. Consistently, He showed that he was angry if there's a
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win for the what I call Mo, and I just came up with this, the
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culture war economy. It was Harris. So, you know, not
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really. And also, I'm not so sure this so called debate
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changes anyone's opinion.
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John C Dvorak: Well, that I think you're right. And that
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analysis, which I've not heard, I have a couple gotchas in my
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stuff too, but that is excellent. I think you probably
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nailed it the I think the public saw it as a Harris win. I think
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everyone saw it as Harris. And I watched it with a group. I had
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Jay and her husband with your church group, with a church
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group of Democrats.
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Adam Curry: Oh, so you were watching the room,
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John C Dvorak: and so they were all, you know, just pleased this
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punch about the whole thing. But the funny thing was, we had it
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on tape delay so we could stop it. And JC, actually, in the
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middle of he was here in the middle of the the dog just
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before, as the dog thing came out, he he had looked into the
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dog thing and the Haitians and gave us about a seven minute
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lecture as during pause on how The Haitians eat stray animals
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in Haiti, and it's not uncommon for them to do that, and they
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don't think it's a big deal. And he had a lot of background
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information on this, and I thought that was and that's
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true. That is absolutely true, absolutely true. And so it's not
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without outside the realm or crazy talk to think that this
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could be going on in Springfield. There's a lot of
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evidence for it. Now, my clips are about the lying on on one
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side or the other, mostly on the parasite. She was a big liar. Oh
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yeah, but, but the but I would say that the summary that right
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after the event, Rachel Maddow and I have the clip, uh, did a
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because this is interesting. I recorded this thing on I on
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YouTube video, I click, I I agree, and it showed the check
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mark. I recorded it on ABC, NBC, Fox and MSNBC, you were going
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for bear only. MSNBC recorded.
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Unknown: Oh, isn't that interesting?
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John C Dvorak: I thought so. But okay, I can, because I wanted
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the fox one, but I the MSNBC one was fine. That gave me the
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Rachel thing at the end. So Rachel Maddow comes out and does
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a summary, and I think this was the summary that most Democrats
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as the way Democrats thought. I think she did a wonderful job of
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summarizing from the Democrat perspective, exactly, sorry,
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wait, wait, exactly what was, what was being thought. Now I
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want to mention, before you play this, I don't know why. First of
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all, we noticed a couple of things. One, when they first
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showed her, she had huge bags under her eyes. Yeah, that were
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like, What happened to this woman? And then they fit
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somebody, I guess, saw it in on the monitor, and they went out
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with the makeup person and sprayed them. She looked
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terrible, and she was almost in tears, as she's giving this
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little spiel here, she's like crying, almost crying, for some
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reason, she gets this kind of maudlin style of presentation.
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She's like borderline in tears. I have no idea why, but here we
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go. You
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Unknown: could not have two more different candidates with two
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more different approaches to the task at hand here, I had a
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television executive once tell me that everything you need to
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know about a live event on television, you can tell with
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that, with the sound off. And if you had the sound off for this
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debate, which I'm sure nobody did, what's funny, that's
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Adam Curry: how I watch Rachel Maddow all the time, she's
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absolutely right. Yes, very good.
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Unknown: And if you had the sound off for this debate, which
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I'm sure nobody did. What you would have seen was Trump
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looking physically hunched, angry, squinting, I never saw
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the whites of his eyes. The entire debate, shouting,
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constantly interrupting himself, not just going down tangents,
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but being unable to finish a thought seeming very frustrated,
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very angry, very negative and very tired. In contrast, Kamala
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Harris appeared to be sort of light on her feet, quite puzzled
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by him. The two shot of him squinting and hunching and
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having seeming be having physical trouble squeezing the
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words out, certainly squeezing the sentences out, while she
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just looked at him, absolutely puzzled by where it was he was
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going. I think that visual may be as much of a takeaway as
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anything that was said. That said, Boy, what was said? Trump,
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repeatedly coming back to the same lines over and over. Over
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again about world crime rates being low because not being the
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explanation for America having high crime rates. He said
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strange things, like all Democrats wanted Roe versus Wade
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overturned. He said that it is legal to kill children in the
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United States. He insisted that he saw something on television
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about eating dogs, that was one of the weirdest moments of the
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debate, saying he saw it on television. So therefore he
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knows it's true, and so therefore what the police said
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about it can't be true. Kamala Harris kept going back to her
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plan her campaign, but also kept going directly at him,
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yeah, that sounds about right.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. There was a big lie in there, a massive lie.
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And my theme here is going to be lie. You are what, uh, I am,
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what I say you are,
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Adam Curry: what yourself be, yourself, which
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John C Dvorak: was evident in the lie that she had in there.
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In the last 10 seconds, she told a a whopper that you didn't
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catch. Well,
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Adam Curry: it to me, it was all, what? What did she say?
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John C Dvorak: She said that the police had denied that there
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were dog eating
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Adam Curry: dogs. Yeah, the police, I have body cam footage
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of police in Springfield, it's 24 seconds. We
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John C Dvorak: all seen that. Well, not everybody, not
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everybody.
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Adam Curry: Let me just 24 seconds. Let me play it so
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people have heard it. Please sort it.
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Unknown: What did you do?
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Why'd you kill the cat? Did you eat that cat? Did you eat it
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now? Why'd you kill it? Did you guys see all this? No, we pulled
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up and she was just laying there with him. Do
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you see her eating it? She was eating it. Yeah, she was gonna
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call the Humane Society see if they'll come pick those cat up.
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It's deceased.
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Adam Curry: Did did JC and his cat analysis of Haitians? Did he
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bring up the voodoo and religious No, no, because
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there's, there's that too in Haiti, there's a lot of,
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John C Dvorak: yeah, there's a lot of animals. So, so she said,
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and she was referring to David Muir interrupting Trump during
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the dog speech. And David Muir specifically, and did it more
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than once, I think twice, at least, said it was the city
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manager. Yes, the city manager is not the police. It's not the
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head of police, it's not the chief of police. It's not
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anything, no, that would have anything. The chief the city
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manager, is basically a glorified bookkeeper who makes
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sure that the city runs, uh, oversees this and hiring and
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things like that. He wouldn't know the crime in the town to
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this extent that they were talking about, but they brought
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up, I guess somebody at ABC called the city manager, but
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Rachel twisted that to say the police. Yeah, that is a lie.
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Adam Curry: Oh, surprise.
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John C Dvorak: So let's listen to the dog thing, because it is
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funny. I have two. I have the clip in the follow up clip about
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Trump and his dog. Now I have to say this. I thought that rate,
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that not Rachel the that Kamala had done an excellent job of
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mugging. And I thought she if there was going to be a winner,
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she won. But then as I started getting doing the clips and
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taking chunks and not looking at at the visuals. It was like it
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reminded me a little bit of the Kennedy Nixon debates, and I'll
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go back in history, because it was talked about a lot. If you
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watched it on TV, there was they did two polls. People who
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watched it on TV thought Kennedy won, and people who listened on
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the radio thought Nixon won. Ah yes,
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Adam Curry: I remember this. This is a big deal. And
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John C Dvorak: when you start listening to it, and just
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listening to the clips, or even seeing just clips, even though
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you can't see some visuals, Trump won,
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Adam Curry: that's what that's what I mean by all of his little
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nuggets that he kept repeating, those are the ones he
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John C Dvorak: had a lot of gems in there. But the dog thing,
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which is the most interesting, because it was the most
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outrageous and got the most attention, was actually quite
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good. And the way he did it, I can imagine his handlers going
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nuts about it. But at the same time, if you listen to these
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clips just by themselves, like we're gonna do now, there's, I
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got the front end of it and the end of it where she goes, thinks
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it's nuts. I think it's genius. And then to David Muir and his
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associate there to interrupt him with the city manager, said, no
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that that makes it worse, but let's play these,
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Unknown: and I'm going to actually do something really
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unusual, and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald
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Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to
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watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks
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about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk
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about when Mills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is
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that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion
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and boredom. I. And I will tell you, the one thing you will not
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hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about
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your needs, your dreams and your needs and your desires. And I'll
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tell you I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you
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first, and I pledge to you that I will first. Let me
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respond this to the rallies she said, people started leaving.
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People don't go to her rallies. There's no reason to go this,
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Adam Curry: by the way. That was, that was an excellent troll
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by her, and she got him to defend it. That was, it was,
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John C Dvorak: well, actually, I will, should mention this. Chris
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Hayes had an analysis of all her uh resp, and I thought it was
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pretty good. I didn't clip it, but he did say that she was
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doing binary responses, where she say one thing and then troll
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Trump as a one two punch, and he claims it worked. I think it
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kind of worked.
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Adam Curry: It worked with with crowd size.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, they like, they love to give him crap about
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that. Didn't work
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Adam Curry: with you disrespect the military. He never took that
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bait. And she tried it maybe five times. She kept trying,
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trying.
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John C Dvorak: It did work once, when he went on about how that
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he had fired these people, and then they, they turned on him.
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Yeah. But
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Adam Curry: she was, you know what she was calling she was
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talking about, oh yeah. She
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John C Dvorak: was trying. John Kelly, is the is the bet is the
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bad actor. The guy was a creep. Anyway, if you look at his
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background, let's continue. She said
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Unknown: people started leaving. People don't go to her rallies.
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There's no reason to go. And the people that do go, she's busting
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them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a
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different light. So she can't talk about that. People don't
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leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most
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incredible rallies in the history. This is where
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Adam Curry: Tina threw up her hands stop doing that. This is,
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this is where the jury in the jury box is like, what are you
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doing
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Unknown: politics? That's because people want to take
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their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a failing
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nation, and it happened three and a half years ago. And what?
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What's going on here? You're going to end up in world war
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three, just to go into another subject, what they have done to
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our country by allowing these millions and millions of people
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to come into our country and look at what's happening to the
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towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't
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want to talk it's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot
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of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so
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embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the
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dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're
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eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there.
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And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame.
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I just want to clarify here. You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and
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ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us
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there have been no credible reports of specific claims of
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pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the
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immigrant community, people on television. Let me just say
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here, this is the people
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on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So
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maybe he said that, and maybe that's a good thing to say for a
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city manager. I'm
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not taking this from television. Dog was eaten by
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the people that went there.
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John C Dvorak: Now the question is, because, why is he getting
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into a debate with Muir?
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Adam Curry: Because this happened throughout the
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John C Dvorak: whole of the whole of
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Adam Curry: it, because Muir is the judge, the judge, I'm just
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seeing it from a courtroom perspective. He's like, hey,
23:15
Judge, you're wrong and shut up. Judge, that's not your job. Let
23:19
Kamala, let the prosecutor, uh, make her Yeah, I
23:23
John C Dvorak: Yes. Well, that's definitely going on. So he kind
23:25
of does have a comeback here, which I guess is memorable.
23:29
Unknown: Regardless, Trump has continued to strike a positive.
23:32
I'm sorry,
23:32
John C Dvorak: does that part? No, no, I'm
23:34
Adam Curry: sorry. I'm sorry, my mistake. Hold on. You have it on
23:36
all caps. It's a little hard to read sometimes, um, interesting.
23:40
Wait, where is it? Yes, I got it. Here again, the
23:43
Unknown: Springfield city manager says there's no evidence
23:45
of that. Vice President, I'll let you respond to the rest of
23:47
what
23:48
you've heard talk about extreme you know, this is, I think, one
23:54
of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the
23:58
endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with
24:03
President Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain, including the
24:08
endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and
24:11
Congress member Liz Cheney.
24:14
She's no longer in Congress. Okay,
24:18
John C Dvorak: that's a lie. Then yes, by the standards they
24:21
put on Trump, debt would be a lie, just
24:23
Adam Curry: to intersperse this debate analysis. So it's not all
24:27
just debate clips. I want to just focus for a moment on
24:31
Springfield. First of all, one of our producers went there and
24:36
he Texas junta. He said, I went to see what was going on with
24:42
the Haitians. He said he went to Springfield for a day. He just
24:45
went there to see what was going on. He said, Holy cow, Haitians
24:49
are everywhere. He said he went to the auto parts store a line
24:53
of Haitians getting things for their cars. One guy in line
24:56
actually had to activate the card he was using before he
24:59
made. Purchase you see where he's coming from. So it's very
25:04
obvious what is happening in Springfield, but then I found
25:08
from two days ago, coincidentally, a PBS Frontline
25:13
piece on what's happening in Springfield. I took, took two
25:17
relatively short clips from it. This is exactly and when Trump
25:20
says people around the country are seeing it, I think that hits
25:23
home, because whether it's eating the dogs or driving like
25:27
crazy or gumming up the public works, this is happening
25:32
everywhere. I've seen it for the past 25 years, in the
25:34
Netherlands, where they bring in immigrants, they throw them into
25:38
these small towns. In this case, this is exactly what the bankers
25:41
wanted. We've talked about it. Suppress wages, bring in cheap
25:45
workers, and this is what PBS discovered boots on the ground
25:50
in Springfield, Ohio. The reason
25:52
Unknown: they left is their home country is disintegrating.
25:56
Protests and increasing violence in the Caribbean nation
25:59
culminated in the assassination of President Jovenel Moise in
26:03
2021 since then, the country spiraled. Armed gangs currently
26:10
control 80% of the capital. Port de Prince mirceous is one of the
26:15
estimated 731,000 Haitian immigrants now living in the
26:19
United States. I
26:20
got my brothers and sisters, my mother still living there. I'm
26:23
always thinking about my family in Haiti
26:26
because of that violence, the US granted what's called Temporary
26:29
Protected Status to Haitians in the US, giving them limited time
26:34
permission to live and work here. TPS was then expanded by
26:38
the Biden administration. Mr. Says he came to Springfield for
26:43
the same reason most Haitians did. He heard that housing was
26:46
cheap and jobs were plentiful.
26:49
What started slowly, we had an application pool that was a
26:52
little bit different. People coming to work here, people
26:55
looking for jobs. What he's welding here again, are welded
26:59
axle components. Jamie
27:01
McGregor is the CEO of McGregor metal, which makes welded parts
27:05
for the auto and farm industries. Right now, about 10%
27:08
of his workforce is Haitian, over 30 employees.
27:12
I wish I had 30 more. Our Haitian associates come to work
27:15
every day. They don't have a drug problem. They will stay at
27:18
their machine. They will achieve their numbers. They are here to
27:21
work, and so in general, that's that's a stark difference from
27:25
what we're used to in our community.
27:27
Adam Curry: So this is exactly what the real story in America
27:30
is, particularly in the Midwest. You look at Ohio. First, we
27:34
spread fentanyl everywhere, and opioids, everyone got drugged
27:37
out. No one could work properly. No one wanted to work then the
27:41
Biden administration expands the TP, yes,
27:45
John C Dvorak: oh, it's just gonna say that was, that
27:47
couldn't have been from frontline. Yeah, it's
27:49
Adam Curry: PBS Frontline.
27:50
John C Dvorak: You sure wasn't NewsHour, because that was
27:52
William Brangham, and he only is on for on newshour.
27:56
Adam Curry: I may be wrong. I thought it was frontline. It
27:58
could be NewsHour,
28:01
John C Dvorak: minor difference. Just it is a difference where
28:03
they present okay and bring them at NewsHour is more likely to be
28:08
biased. So it so if they brought that out there, I think it's
28:12
even more important
28:14
Adam Curry: Good point. So we drug Middle America. The
28:18
industrial base was shipped off to China. Now the bankers want
28:21
to bring it back, but not for American workers. No, no. We
28:24
can't have those idiots working and creating we need cheap
28:28
labor. And there's a war going on, you know, a civil war going
28:32
on. Haiti, notice we didn't go in to fix it like the last time.
28:36
No, let the Jamaicans go in. Let the Nigerians go in. No, no,
28:40
we'll just take 731,000 and give them work permits. That's what
28:46
TPS is. We expanded it under Biden Harris, and then you get
28:50
this willing
28:51
Unknown: McGregor acknowledges the sudden arrival of so many
28:54
new immigrants is a challenge on multiple fronts, but he believes
28:58
this is partly how the industrial Midwest can regrow.
29:02
We want more jobs
29:03
in our community, and in order to fill those jobs, some jobs
29:07
need to be people who are not originally from here.
29:10
There's things in the last five years that have really changed
29:13
and has been a forward improvement for Springfield, but
29:16
this is taxing the resources of the city. Springfield's
29:20
Mayor Rob Rue says he was cautiously optimistic when the
29:24
first Haitians settled in town, but then their numbers quickly
29:27
rose. The city estimates 12 to 15,000 Haitians are here now.
29:33
The infrastructure of the city, our safety forces, our
29:36
hospitals, our schools, Springfield is a close community
29:39
and has a big heart, but at the same point, we've had this
29:42
influx that has taxed all these services. Now,
29:45
Adam Curry: the way I see it, this mayor's an idiot, because
29:49
you need you know that this is going to happen. And now he's
29:52
like, oh, we need money. Okay, so this, this whole thing, is a
29:58
setup from the beginning. Thing. And I think that's why it
30:01
resonates with Americans who probably are already Trump
30:06
voters, but maybe people who are agnostic and just struggling and
30:10
saying, you know, this is this really something here? Because
30:16
it is, this is this is the problem. This is exactly what,
30:20
what, what has been going on, and it's structural, and it's
30:23
the central bankers really, uh, in collusion with the Biden
30:26
administration who expanded TPS. Why don't we go in there and fix
30:31
the Civil War? No, no, we'll just take everybody here. We
30:33
need them anyway. There you go.
30:38
John C Dvorak: Okay, well, I'm gonna get back to my theme,
30:40
Adam Curry: yes, of course. I'm just saying this for
30:44
Unknown: for effect.
30:45
John C Dvorak: Let's go to bonus clip one. Bonus
30:49
Adam Curry: clip one. Ladies and gentlemen, this came in late, so
30:54
hold on a second. You mean debate bonus, I think, right.
30:59
Wait, how come it doesn't say bonus here?
31:03
John C Dvorak: Oh, it's because under debate. Oh, but it came in
31:05
as a, as a,
31:07
Adam Curry: right? But it doesn't say bonus. What's the
31:10
name of it? No,
31:11
John C Dvorak: it doesn't, I'm just telling you where it came.
31:13
Oh, okay,
31:16
Adam Curry: I can't play it if I don't know what it
31:18
John C Dvorak: is, the name of it, look it up. Because I, I
31:21
thought that if you if you saw it, when you saw it, when it
31:24
came in, you know what? Okay, no,
31:26
Adam Curry: because it would say bonus clip and it doesn't say,
31:28
Okay. Well, let
31:29
John C Dvorak: me tell you what the problem is with this. I can
31:31
get it for you, but when I send the bonus clips in, they're not
31:36
on my main list. Oh, okay, well, so all I know is I sent you the
31:40
bonus clips. In order of the one is that I wanted to play
31:44
Adam Curry: falling down. Make a note, we're falling down here.
31:46
We're falling down.
31:48
John C Dvorak: So I have to go back and see what the clip is
31:50
called that I sent you even though you had received it.
31:55
Bonus clip is called debate, blatant lie. Clip on from
32:00
Tiktok. Okay,
32:02
Unknown: as
32:02
of today, there is not one member of the United States
32:06
military who is in active duty in a combat zone, in any war
32:09
zone around the world. The first time this century, that's
32:11
John C Dvorak: a blatant lie. The US is 2400 troops deployed
32:13
to Iraq right now to assist and advise Iraqi forces engaging in
32:17
combat against ISIS. US forces regularly participate in raids
32:21
in ISIS, and they have since 2014 just 11 days ago, seven US
32:26
personnels were injured in a raid. We just had three soldiers
32:29
die back in January, killed by Iran backed militias while
32:32
deployed in Jordan, which borders Israel, until July, the
32:35
Dwight D Eisenhower aircraft strike group was deployed to the
32:38
Red Sea, regularly fighting Houthi rebels and was attacked
32:42
on numerous occasions. Just last month, we deployed even more
32:46
ballistic missile capable cruisers and destroyers to the
32:49
Middle East and Europe. We also happened to have 10,000 troops
32:53
deployed to Poland on Ukraine's border, and CNN was apparently
32:56
only able to count one lie that Kamala told during the debate. I
32:59
counted 29 at least. So follow me here, because I'm going to be
33:02
talking to be talking about all of them now. The reason, the
33:05
reason I'm playing this clip after the other ones to
33:09
emphasize this lying situation, is that they went to the ABC
33:14
went to the trouble of calling the city manager of Springfield
33:18
out of the blue just on the hopes that Trump would bring up
33:21
the dogs, yes, but they don't care about any of this other
33:25
stuff. Do you think this would be a little more important when
33:28
she says, makes this lie that we have no troops in a combat zone?
33:32
So
33:33
Adam Curry: what is interesting is that you're surprised.
33:38
John C Dvorak: You know, I'm not surprised well,
33:39
Adam Curry: but this is what the culture war economy does. Oh,
33:42
that was biased. Yes, it was biased. It was a setup. It was a
33:46
complete setup. And now let's unprepared for it.
33:50
John C Dvorak: To make this setup even more obvious to me,
33:53
is something that nobody picked up on. Fox all the fox shows.
33:59
Didn't see it. Nobody saw it. You're going to see it here. I'm
34:04
going to bring it out. You might catch it knowing that there's a
34:07
gotcha in here. Play the debate IVF killer on
34:11
Unknown: it. They know that, and everybody else knows it. I have
34:14
been a leader on fertilization, IVF, and the other thing they
34:19
you should ask, Will she allow abortion in the eighth month,
34:24
ninth month, seventh month, come on, okay, would you do that? Why
34:28
don't you ask that question to answer the question, the
34:33
question you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth
34:37
month, the ninth month, and probably after birth.
34:41
Adam Curry: Yes. I'm glad you brought that up. What did you
34:44
want to say about it?
34:45
John C Dvorak: Well, you know, I thought her mic was supposed to
34:49
be off, yeah, she said right in the middle of his commentary,
34:54
oh, come on, yeah, yeah. And then her mic was open the whole
34:58
time throughout the debate. Rights. They're supposed to be
35:01
cut mics. And you knew that Trump's was cut because he
35:04
tried, when he tried to come in on something, it was a dead mic,
35:07
and they brought it up. You could see him do it. Her mic was
35:10
open the whole time. She could keep us all she wanted. Nobody
35:13
noticed this.
35:16
Adam Curry: You know what I you know what else I noticed, which
35:17
was very minor, but, and I it was just minor. Trump's box was
35:23
a little bit smaller than her box in the two shots. Width,
35:29
yes, width was a little hers was
35:31
John C Dvorak: lower.
35:33
Adam Curry: But no, no, I'm not talking the box that she's
35:35
standing I'm talking the TV screen, the two shot.
35:38
John C Dvorak: Oh, that's interesting. I didn't notice.
35:40
Yes, his box
35:41
Adam Curry: was now, I understand for framing purposes,
35:44
because she needed to have a little more room because she
35:47
kept looking to the right. But that could be just a shot, and
35:52
it would have actually given Trump a more just from a
35:56
television production standpoint, it would have given
35:58
a more dominant appearance by having to zoom out make her head
36:04
smaller in order to fit her her sideway glances, so they made
36:10
his box a little bit smaller. Was just it's a minor thing, but
36:13
I think they matter. Now on the killing babies, I had to go into
36:18
the archives just to make sure people know, because he said
36:21
West Virginia, which, now that should have been fact checked,
36:24
because that was wrong. It was
36:26
John C Dvorak: another, yes, well, they, they fact checked
36:29
him, I think, up to five times. They never stopped her from
36:33
saying anything. She used fine people hoax. She used the blood
36:37
bath. They didn't stop her. This was worse.
36:40
Adam Curry: We'll get your description. We'll get to that.
36:43
But they didn't fact check him, because it was the former
36:46
governor of Virginia, which he later said correctly, but he
36:49
started with West Virginia, and we have that clip from 2019.
36:54
Unknown: Virginia's late term abortion bill is gaining
36:56
international attention. It
36:58
would allow terminations at any point during pregnancy,
37:02
including up until the point of childbirth. The controversy
37:05
first started from this video delegate Tran defending her bill
37:10
that would loosen abortion requirements in the Commonwealth
37:13
through the third
37:13
trimester. Third trimester goes all the
37:15
way up to 40 weeks, but to the end of the third trimester,
37:19
I don't think we have a limit in the bill.
37:20
Right now, late term abortions are allowed under Virginia law
37:24
if three physicians certify the pregnancy substantially and
37:28
irremediably threatens the woman's life and health. Trans
37:31
bill would only require one physician to certify the
37:34
abortion and removes the substantially and irremediably
37:38
requirement, facing harsh backlash, Governor Northam went
37:41
on a radio show stating that trans comments were blown out of
37:44
proportion. He added that politicians shouldn't interfere
37:47
with a woman's right to choose.
37:49
The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept
37:52
comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the
37:57
mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would
38:00
ensue between the physicians and the mother.
38:02
Governor Northam faced a backlash of his own, accused of
38:05
supporting infanticide by conservative leaders. Words
38:08
have meaning. You saw the tape. I
38:12
think he was very clear in what he said, and I
38:15
think that was very disturbing
38:17
Adam Curry: so and you know, this is rarely brought up by the
38:20
the big the big talking heads in podcast land, because they don't
38:24
have the archive, or the producers that we do who dig
38:28
this up, and the systems that we have. And so it's true, and
38:32
these people are demonic in that way, and it's important, because
38:36
it just gets glossed over. She says, That's not true. That's
38:39
not true. That's not true. Just this week, this chick, I'm
38:44
saying chick, called a DC District of Columbia clinic, and
38:49
she recorded it right calling
38:50
Unknown: the Care Clinic in Bethesda, Maryland. Bethesda, I
38:56
am looking to have an abortion. I'm 34 right now. I am in a
39:01
pretty desperate situation.
39:03
Adam Curry: That's eight months just so if you can't calculate
39:05
eight months pregnant boyfriends,
39:07
Unknown: is kind of out of the picture. Now, so I don't really
39:10
have any support.
39:11
An abortion at any stage is actually much safer than
39:13
delivering a term pregnancy. It's a four to five day
39:17
procedure. We do some basic lab work on you and start to dilate
39:20
your cervix. After that, we do what we call the fetal
39:23
injection. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the
39:27
fetal heart, where lidocaine is injected, and that will
39:30
completely numb the fetus so there's no pain. And then after
39:33
that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another
39:36
medication called KCL into the fetal heart, which will flow and
39:40
then stop the fetal heartbeat. Then on that fourth day,
39:42
depending on how your cervix has dilated, we'll break your water,
39:46
and then we'll give you a medication called misoprostol.
39:49
Misoprostol will sort of induce contraction and increase the
39:53
dilation of your cervix. You're going to have contractions in
39:56
cramping, and then we'll assist you in. Sort of pushing in the
40:01
induction and then remove all of the products of conception.
40:04
Adam Curry: The product of conception, you're definitely
40:07
going
40:07
Unknown: to comfort a
40:08
lot of pressure, but we do give you fentanyl and verse fed
40:11
during the procedure. We specialize in later trimester
40:14
care. Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing, and
40:17
he's very good.
40:18
So I'm not like a rare situation. Y'all help women this
40:22
late in pregnancy all the time,
40:23
Adam Curry: all the time. So it is true.
40:26
John C Dvorak: It is true. Of course, it's true, but people
40:29
Adam Curry: need to hear that. That's a sickening but this is
40:32
how your mom played
40:33
John C Dvorak: that Virginia clip when it came out, and maybe
40:37
played it a second time. Glad you found it, by the way. Um
40:42
yeah. I know Trump didn't lie at all on any of this stuff, but
40:45
she and she never says that's not true. She says, No, you're
40:49
lying. Yeah, you have to, you know, that's different, because
40:52
they have to, they have to promote this lie. Oh, you're a
40:55
liar. I mean, at one point, there was two things I thought
41:00
were funny about the debate. One, at one point, he actually
41:02
shushed her for interrupting him.
41:05
Unknown: Does it sound familiar
41:06
John C Dvorak: with the open mic? Yes. So that, which I
41:10
thought was funny, because that she was known for doing that to
41:13
pence. And the other one was he, she wouldn't answer the question
41:18
directly of whether she ever met Putin. She's never met Putin.
41:23
And that came up later. This thing was your idea that this is
41:27
just a kangaroo, not a courtroom, but a kangaroo court.
41:30
There you go. Is, is right on the money. Because the end these
41:34
two people, there's this dour woman, I don't see her that much
41:38
on ABC that whoever she is. Was
41:40
Adam Curry: it just me, or did she overfill her upper lip?
41:44
John C Dvorak: There was something wrong with her lips?
41:47
Yes, and
41:48
Adam Curry: her upper lip, it
41:48
John C Dvorak: wasn't you,
41:49
Adam Curry: okay, okay. And by the way, please stop sending me
41:55
the she had speaker earrings.
42:01
John C Dvorak: Actually, Mimi looked into those speaker
42:03
earrings and found that they were actually $30,000 Tiffany
42:06
earrings, which really irked her.
42:08
Adam Curry: Yes, that is exactly what I was going to say. I
42:11
happen to be a fan of Tiffany's.
42:15
John C Dvorak: That didn't surprise anybody, but
42:16
Adam Curry: my sisters. My sister's name is Tiffany, my mom
42:21
was a big fan of so I've always followed Tiffany jewelry. And
42:24
Tina and I, when we got married, we got, you know, these silver
42:28
Tiffany wedding bands and so. And I like the shop. It's a nice
42:32
shop. I can't afford much in the shop, but it's a nice shop. And,
42:35
and, and I looked it up, and they no longer, no longer sold
42:39
online, and I'm not sure I got a price quote of 22,000
42:44
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Mimi found him at 30,000 and she said this
42:47
was the most let them eat cake total moment. She said she
42:51
should be wearing some simple studs or something. She
42:53
shouldn't be wearing $30,000 earrings, exactly.
42:58
Adam Curry: Now, there was one thing which this is a clip from
43:04
Jen pasaki and Steele, who was supposed to be a Republican. In
43:08
fact, he ran the Republican Party. Now he's a Democrat, and
43:13
he's the head of the RNC. Yeah, the head of the RNC, and he's on
43:16
the panel. And so he's first, he's going to throw out some
43:20
Jive talk, and then he's going to say something which I believe
43:23
to be true.
43:24
Unknown: Okay. Michael Steele, you were quite animated when I
43:27
saw you in the hallway earlier about that. You're going to tell
43:32
me you think of the debate that you told me in the hallway, what
43:35
was your take on the debate? Michael, still go ahead. Was the
43:37
key moment she spanked that ass she
43:41
came what she's she came and she walked on that stage. Look, for
43:46
me, this is one of those things that you didn't realize happened
43:51
until about 20 to 30 minutes into the debate, and it's what
43:56
everyone's talked about. And for me, it was the pivotal, most
43:59
important moment of the debate was when they were introduced
44:04
and Donald Trump came out. And if you watch go back, I tell
44:07
everybody to go back and watch this. He comes out. He goes
44:10
direct to the podium. He is not usually go to the middle of the
44:14
floor to greet your opponent. He went to the pot. He had no
44:18
intention of shaking her hand. She walked across the stage
44:21
right into his space, stuck her hand out and said, Kamala
44:26
Harris, it was a power move, and he wasn't expecting it.
44:31
John C Dvorak: I think let me give you my take on this. This
44:36
is a corrupt situation.
44:39
Adam Curry: And they said, Don't shake hands. And they let her do
44:42
it anyway. No,
44:43
John C Dvorak: no, I got the prop bets from an operation
44:47
called sports.
44:50
Adam Curry: Here we go. And
44:52
John C Dvorak: there was a prop bet on, will they shake hands?
44:56
And if I was Camella, because you already saw. He wasn't going
45:00
to shake hands. So the bet was they weren't going to shake
45:03
hands. I think was two to ones. I don't know the numbers. I'd
45:06
have to go look him up. But all you do, your cameras say hey,
45:10
hey boys, I'm going to make a point. I going over there and
45:13
shaking Trump's hand. Your bet. The bet is, as a surefire
45:17
winner, you can win as much money as
45:20
Adam Curry: you bet. We've got a little change on the side as you
45:24
walk over
45:25
John C Dvorak: there. She made a huge point of walking over
45:27
there. They all, she's so power, bad bullshit. This was a betting
45:32
moment, and she knew this was the one opportunity she had to
45:35
make a surefire win at online betting. This was a this was as
45:40
corrupt. This is the corruption that we're looking at. This is
45:43
corruption. I love it,
45:45
Adam Curry: the prop bet. All right, now I have a question,
45:48
since you didn't get recordings, even though, of course, you set
45:50
your your YouTube TV, CNN is taking a very different track
45:58
with all of this. Listen to Jake Tapper,
46:01
Unknown: Vice President Harris, began the debate by punting the
46:04
first question on the economy. Do you
46:07
believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?
46:10
So
46:11
I was raised as a middle class kid, and I am actually the only
46:16
person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up
46:19
the middle class and working people of America.
46:22
It went on from there, despite the economy being the number one
46:25
issue facing the country, the sitting Vice President generally
46:29
reverted to talking points about a few of her policy proposals.
46:33
Even Harris allies today are saying that she needs to talk
46:36
more about what she will do for Americans if elected. Senator
46:40
Bernie Sanders will be here in a second to talk about more about
46:43
the need for her to fill in some of those blanks on the border,
46:47
another vulnerable issue for Harris, she also dodged. Would
46:51
you have done anything differently from President Biden
46:53
on this?
46:54
So I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted
46:57
transnational criminal organizations for the
46:59
trafficking of guns, drugs and human beings.
47:04
Okay, that wasn't the question. When asked how she would break
47:07
through the Israel Hamas war stalemate, Harris said this,
47:11
we need a cease fire deal, and we need the hostages out, and so
47:16
we will continue to work around the clock on that. Okay, but
47:20
again, how
47:22
Adam Curry: so Tapper? We know is a CIA asset. He gladly
47:25
attends the birthday parties of the agency
47:28
John C Dvorak: big I want to stop you from the generalization
47:31
you earlier made that at CNN. I think it's just Tapper. Well,
47:35
Adam Curry: that's what I thought. But then enter Aaron
47:38
Burnett, formerly of CNBC,
47:42
John C Dvorak: now also counts on Foreign Relations. Now on the
47:45
Adam Curry: ozempic train. She looks good, but she's on the O
47:49
train. There's no doubt about it. It's too bad and she did
47:51
this this week tonight,
47:52
Unknown: Kamala Harris releasing details of her policy positions
47:55
for the first time on her campaign website. A K file
47:59
investigation has uncovered, meantime, a 2019 questionnaire.
48:03
And in this questionnaire, Harris laid out some much more
48:06
liberal stances. K files, Andrew Kaczynski joins me now, yeah.
48:10
And this was a questionnaire that she filled out for the ACL,
48:13
ACLU, and this questionnaire is really an interesting snapshot
48:16
in time of that 2019 Democratic primary Kamala Harris was trying
48:20
to get to the left of Bernie Sanders. She was trying to get
48:23
to the left of Elizabeth Warren. And you really see that in a lot
48:26
of these answers. And I want to walk our viewers through a
48:28
little bit of what she said. Let's just take immigration and
48:31
look at what she said here. She said on immigration, she made
48:34
this open ended pledge to end immigrant detention. She said
48:38
she supported taxpayer funded gender transition surgeries for
48:42
detained migrants. She also said she
48:44
funded gender transition surgeries for detained
48:47
actually said she supported she
48:49
wrote, both wrote and answered in the affirmative when she was
48:53
asked this, and she said she also supported it for federal
48:56
prisoners. Now, she also pledged to slash immigration detention
49:00
by 50% close all family and private facilities, and decrease
49:04
funding for ice. And then the end ending, end ice detainers
49:09
with local law enforcement.
49:10
Adam Curry: So it's not just Tapper. There's something in
49:12
CNN, and you know, there's, I don't know, seems like they're
49:17
trying to lean more towards Trump. Maybe they want to even
49:20
out the score for the ad. Advertising rates make it more
49:23
of a horse race in their mind. I'm not sure that
49:26
John C Dvorak: could be it advertising, but Tapper is
49:29
definitely pushing back on everything. So is baffling to
49:35
me. But okay, well,
49:36
Adam Curry: remember he is and by he's far
49:40
John C Dvorak: there is a clip which and so is Burnett. There
49:44
is a clip going around of her sitting down, talking about how
49:48
the gender affirming care is so important for prisoners, and
49:52
she's made a point of pushing it so California is it's California
49:55
law is the best. So these clips are out there, and they're just
49:59
starting. To show up. So my favorite one, which I is a
50:03
useless clip for the show, but I'll explain it is I retweeted
50:07
it for people who are concerned about my tweeting too much. The
50:12
this was from 1996 it was Willie Brown. It was a Willie Brown
50:17
party, and Kamala was there with him, and the reporter who's
50:22
covering the the event goes up to Camelot and says, Are you his
50:26
daughter?
50:27
Adam Curry: Yes, I saw that. It's not real. It's not good for
50:30
audio for the show. And she says, that's a mess. No, I'm
50:33
not. But
50:33
John C Dvorak: and then she was there at the end. She was
50:35
standing right next to him at the podium. Yeah, so she's a,
50:39
yeah, yes,
50:41
Adam Curry: one of those. That's one of those where you get
50:43
earrings. Man, come on, that's where you get those $2,000
50:47
John C Dvorak: earrings. Actually, that was suggested by
50:49
Mimi. That is Willie Brown bought those earrings for her.
50:53
Now, regarding
50:53
Adam Curry: the border, Trump had, I thought a pretty good
50:58
line, although he mistakenly called it a bill when he should
51:02
have said executive order or order or anything but bill
51:06
regarding the shutting down of the border. Right now,
51:09
Unknown: I ask you this. You talk about the capital. Why are
51:12
we allowing these millions of people to come through on the
51:16
southern border? How come she's not doing anything? And I'll
51:18
tell you what I would do, and I would be very proud to do it. I
51:22
would say we would both leave this debate right now. I'd like
51:25
to see her go down to Washington, DC during this
51:29
debate, because we're wasting a lot of time. Go down to because
51:32
she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous. Go down to
51:35
Washington, DC and let her sign a bill to close up the border,
51:39
because they have the right to do it. They don't need bills.
51:42
They have the right to do the President of the United States,
51:45
you'll get them out of bed. You'll wake them up at four
51:47
o'clock in the afternoon. You say, Come on, come on down to
51:49
the office. Let's sign a bill. If he if he signs a bill that
51:53
the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the border
51:56
patrol, who are phenomenal if they do that the border is
51:59
closed. Now,
52:01
John C Dvorak: as a fact checker,
52:02
Adam Curry: yes. Fact Check false.
52:04
John C Dvorak: I would have checked false, because you look
52:07
for everything. Trump says that's even a little bit
52:09
erroneous. That would be two lies on the on the count,
52:12
because you said those are two lies twice. He said, sign a
52:15
bill. Bill, yes, and you're right. It's an executive order,
52:18
yes. Now, so that's two lies. Those are lies,
52:21
Adam Curry: those lies. So he referenced TDA, which is the
52:26
Venezuelan gang in Aurora in Colorado
52:31
John C Dvorak: and Chicago. Well,
52:33
Adam Curry: let's just stick with Aurora for a minute,
52:34
because we've been following this story. We haven't quite
52:37
known exactly what's going on. It is several apartment
52:40
buildings have been taken over by these Venezuelan gangs. And I
52:45
know from one of our guys who follows the border, he says, you
52:49
know, the the TVA, they have an entire line all the way from
52:54
Venezuela all the way up to the United States, and housing is
52:57
really one of their main things.
53:00
John C Dvorak: They take the member. The membership is 5000
53:03
Yeah, they take
53:04
Adam Curry: over housing. And then, you know, new gang members
53:07
come up. They stay in those houses, they move on to the next
53:10
one, as they move all the way up into American cities. So
53:13
Denver's local television station, of course, had to look
53:17
into is this really true? Is it really true about what's
53:20
happening in Aurora, and what the mayor says is quite telling.
53:24
Former
53:24
Unknown: President Donald Trump said that Aurora was taken over
53:27
by migrants and violently taking over buildings. Is that
53:31
accurate? No,
53:32
it's really not. You know, there's no question that there's
53:36
been some issues in several apartment buildings, but it's
53:39
been so dramatically exaggerated, so
53:41
Adam Curry: several apartment buildings, but it's been
53:43
exaggerated that it's the entire
53:46
Unknown: city that is somehow overrun by gang or criminal
53:49
activity that couldn't be further from the truth. You
53:52
Adam Curry: see what's happening here, right? It's like, well,
53:54
yeah,
53:55
John C Dvorak: this is ants fucking Yes. He
53:57
Unknown: also mentioned that a lot of the migrants coming into
53:59
the United States are criminals, and that crime is at an all time
54:02
high. Do you believe that crime is at an all time high in Aurora
54:05
right now?
54:06
You know, I really don't the you know. Again, I think that there
54:10
are some issues with several apartment buildings, and even
54:14
those issues have been exaggerated. Mayor
54:17
Kaufman says, at all surprised to hear Aurora come up.
54:21
I kind of expected it to come up during the debate, and
54:24
unfortunately it
54:25
did. Many who live in the city say they weren't shocked either.
54:28
I'm not really surprised about it. Half of it's media, and half
54:32
of it's obviously people are there's bad people everywhere in
54:36
a joint stop Wednesday, Mayor Mike Kaufman, Councilwoman
54:39
Danielle jarinsky, and the city manager said in part, trendara
54:43
West presence in Aurora is limited to specific properties,
54:47
all of which the city has been addressing for months.
54:51
There is an exaggeration of the issue that the royal Police
54:55
Department is certainly addressing. What issue right now
54:59
is. Real, and there are arrests being made, and there are people
55:05
that are being held in custody.
55:06
Adam Curry: So then the same Denver local television station
55:09
has this report Aurora
55:11
Unknown: police identifying more members of the trend day Aragua
55:14
gang who have been arrested the 10 men you see here face charges
55:18
stemming from alleged assaults, domestic disputes and shootings
55:21
in Aurora, including at the Whispering Pines, condominiums,
55:25
Fitzsimmons place, apartments on Nome street that have been in
55:28
the national spotlight.
55:30
Adam Curry: Activists say racist, homophobic, anti semitic
55:33
comments at an aurora city council meeting highlight a
55:36
divide that has grown since the trend Aragua game came to the
55:39
spotlight. Here's your typical Democrat stronghold city. This
55:43
is putting this all on the council.
55:46
John C Dvorak: I like. What's homophobia got to do with it? I
55:49
Adam Curry: don't know, but you got to stop it
55:51
Unknown: and listen. A caller at Monday's Aurora city council
55:54
meeting complained of immigrants and used hateful language. His
55:58
comments were not cut short ever seven
56:01
Adam Curry: just Crawford talked to members of the community now
56:04
demanding that the council cut off hateful commentary and
56:06
establish some other safeguards. Yes, safeguards for those poor
56:10
immigrants, the 10 who were arrested. This is this is crazy
56:14
so, and that's great. Let me just get back to Aurora, because
56:19
I have two quick clips from one of their council meetings, but
56:23
not Aurora, I'm sorry, Springfield, Ohio. So this is
56:26
the residence, and let me
56:27
Unknown: be clear, this is not about race. This is about people
56:31
being given the privilege of coming here from another country
56:34
and having no respect for our people, our land or our life's
56:38
work, people living their life here the way they did in Haiti,
56:42
angry, stealing, polluting, living in filth and acting like
56:46
animals. These are not civilized people, opening containers in
56:50
our grocery stores, helping themselves to what's inside and
56:53
throwing the rest onto the shelves and floors, pulling off
56:56
of the highway to publicly clean and gut the road kill lying
57:00
there in front of anyone that passes by, stealing animals from
57:04
farmers and leaving their severed heads at the site of an
57:06
old school where children play relieving themselves in public,
57:11
making some barbaric stew out of the birds that live in our park.
57:15
This is insanity, and it has to stop.
57:18
So
57:18
Adam Curry: nothing to see here. You're really exaggerating,
57:21
lady, but this guy is my favorite. This guy is my
57:24
favorite,
57:25
John C Dvorak: by the way, dad, because it's kind of out of the
57:28
blue and it's good clip. I'm going to give you a borderline
57:30
Clip of the Day for that. Oh, well,
57:32
Adam Curry: you should have waited. No, you should wait. You
57:35
should have waited because this is my favorite. They're
57:38
Unknown: in the park driving up ducks by their neck and cutting
57:42
their head off and walking off with them and eating them like
57:45
and it's going to get bigger, and it's only going to get
57:47
worse. And y'all sitting up there in these chairs, y'all
57:50
all, y'all need to get out here and do something. Y'all making
57:52
hundreds of $1,000 y'all need to put on a t shirt and some crocs.
57:55
And then y'all need to come out here in these streets, and y'all
57:57
need to go out here and, uh, I'm out here before the police is
58:00
Adam Curry: you got to put on a t shirt and some Crocs and get
58:03
out here people. Y'all
58:04
Unknown: need to do something. Bro, y'all really got to stand
58:06
on Minutes. Y'all getting paid all this money just to wear a
58:08
suit and sit in a chair. I don't think, I think it's, I think
58:12
it's crazy, bro, that's where they come from, and that's what
58:14
they do. That's they country. I don't know what they got going
58:17
on over there, but they can't do that over here. And if y'all
58:20
just getting paid from it, and then y'all ain't doing nothing
58:22
about I think that's super weird, bro, y'all gotta stand on
58:25
business. Y'all gotta really, like, step up. Like, it's lame,
58:27
bro,
58:30
yes, yeah. You
58:32
John C Dvorak: know what's extremely overlooked in all this
58:35
is, I, I'd like to know the genesis of why Haitians in
58:41
particular are all in Springfield. Does our homeland
58:46
group take because we ship a lot of these people. We fly them in
58:50
directly in a lot of instances. But why? Because are they all
58:56
going to one spot? Because I don't hear about the Haitians
58:59
anyplace else
59:00
Adam Curry: but Springfield, first of all is because dole is
59:03
there. There's big industry there. There's big industry
59:06
there's big factories. Dole, yes, dole, there's big factories
59:11
there. You heard the manufacturing so there's, yeah,
59:16
John C Dvorak: no, I understand that, but there's big factories
59:18
here and there. But it would be, hey,
59:20
Adam Curry: it because everyone's drugged out. They
59:22
don't care. These companies are in cahoots. And bring me some
59:26
cheap workers. You hurt the guy. Hey, I want more of these. I
59:29
wish I could get 10 more. I want 30 more. Bring me more. You
59:33
don't think they're in conversations. Of course, they
59:35
John C Dvorak: are. No, I'm It was obvious. There's something
59:38
like that's going on, Alabama,
59:40
Adam Curry: Alabama, salacoo, Sala Quagga city filled with
59:46
Haitians. I think it's a sila Quagga. It's S, Y, L, H, it's in
59:51
the north. It's known as marble city because a lot of marble.
59:56
There's stone quarries there. Same thing, same. Thing Council
1:00:00
Patience, patience and the and the and the council president
1:00:05
Tiffany Nix stopped the council meeting saying, Oh no, this is
1:00:10
getting too heated. Here. You're being aggressive. People are.
1:00:13
It's the same story. And what's up there quarries. So it's all
1:00:18
coordinated exactly what the former New York banker told us,
1:00:23
exactly what they want, suppressed wages. It's good for
1:00:26
industry. It used to be the Republicans with these games.
1:00:29
Now it's the Democrats. It's, it's, it's so obvious. So yeah,
1:00:35
you'll see more. You'll see more cities. I mean, we've got boots
1:00:39
on the ground everywhere. We'll hear about it. Do you have any
1:00:43
more? Because I just want to close out this segment with a
1:00:46
couple more clips, unless you have something you want to get
1:00:49
in there. Well,
1:00:50
John C Dvorak: I did have some, just some summary clips I
1:00:53
thought were good. Well, before debates, before you get the
1:00:56
Adam Curry: summary. This is this just asked, yeah, but I
1:01:00
Yes, I asked, and he said, summary, I'm like, I'm striking.
1:01:03
Summary, I'm pushing it, pushing it back. We're moving out to the
1:01:07
A one block. This is just, just the clip that we have to play,
1:01:13
because this shows that they're all in. They don't care. The
1:01:17
Democrats just gotta say it. The Democrat Party are all it? I
1:01:21
heard Dave Weiner spouting this nonsense on this podcast, the
1:01:26
people who are all in and are hypnotized by these demonic,
1:01:31
spiritual forces of the Democrat party believe these lies. Nancy
1:01:37
Unknown: Pelosi was responsible. She didn't do a job. The
1:01:40
question
1:01:41
was about you as president, not about former Speaker Pelosi, but
1:01:44
I do want vice president Harris to respond.
1:01:47
Here. I was at the Capitol on January 6. I was the vice
1:01:51
president elect. I was also enacting senator. I was there,
1:01:56
and on that day, the President of the United States incited a
1:02:00
violent mob to attack our nation's capital, to desecrate
1:02:07
our nation's capital. On that day, 140 law enforcement
1:02:11
officers were injured and some died. And understand the former
1:02:17
president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that
1:02:21
reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Let's
1:02:26
remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people
1:02:30
carrying tiki torches, spewing anti semitic hate, and what did
1:02:37
the President then, at the time say there were fine people on
1:02:41
each side. Let's remember that. When it came to the proud boys a
1:02:46
militia, the President said, the former president said, stand
1:02:51
back and stand by. So for everyone watching, who remembers
1:02:56
what January 6 was, I say we don't have to go back. Let's not
1:03:02
go back. We're not going back. It's time to turn the page, and
1:03:07
if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in
1:03:11
our campaign for you to stand for country, to stand for our
1:03:18
democracy, to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos. Good
1:03:24
line. End the approach that is about attacking the foundations
1:03:29
of our democracy because you don't like the outcome. And be
1:03:32
clear on that point, Donald Trump, the candidate, has said,
1:03:37
in this election, there will be a bloodbath if this and the
1:03:41
outcome of this election is not to his liking, let's turn the
1:03:45
page on this. Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the
1:03:50
future and not go backwards to the past. These
1:03:54
Adam Curry: people do not care about the truth at all.
1:03:59
John C Dvorak: Well, there were four instances in there that the
1:04:01
hosts, moderators, could have stopped her for just falsehoods,
1:04:06
or
1:04:06
Adam Curry: done a summary afterwards, or
1:04:09
John C Dvorak: anything. They did nothing. No,
1:04:12
Adam Curry: they didn't. So it was, it was really, well, let's
1:04:17
John C Dvorak: tell what they were. The thing is, the stand
1:04:19
down thing was bullcrap that hoaxes about fine people has
1:04:24
been even nope, here's that one down, here's
1:04:27
Adam Curry: the here's the original. I have the original.
1:04:32
And
1:04:32
Unknown: you had some very bad people in that group, but you
1:04:34
also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You
1:04:40
had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same
1:04:44
pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were
1:04:48
there to protest the taking down of to them a very, very
1:04:52
important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E
1:04:55
Lee to another name. And you had people, and I'm not talking
1:04:58
about the neo Nazi. And the white nationalists, because they
1:05:01
should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that
1:05:05
group other than Neo Nazis and white nationalists. Okay, there
1:05:10
you go. That's the full quote.
1:05:13
Adam Curry: And then the bloodbath. We probably still
1:05:17
have that somewhere. That was about the Chinese cars, wasn't
1:05:22
John C Dvorak: it about the Chinese electric cars being made
1:05:24
in Mexico and being allowed to come into the country through a
1:05:27
trickery, yes, without tariffs. Here's of the here's the quote,
1:05:31
China
1:05:32
Unknown: now is building a couple of massive plants where
1:05:35
they're going to build the cars in Mexico, and think they think
1:05:38
that they're going to sell those cars into the United States with
1:05:41
no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if
1:05:45
you're listening, President Xi and you and I are friends, but
1:05:48
he understands the way I deal those big monster car
1:05:52
manufacturing plants that you're building in Mexico right now.
1:05:56
And you think you're going to get that, you're going to not
1:05:59
hire Americans, and you're going to sell the cars to us now,
1:06:02
we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes
1:06:06
across the line, and you're not going to be able to sell those
1:06:09
guys if I get elected. Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to
1:06:13
be a bloodbath for the whole that's going to be the least of
1:06:17
it. It's going to be a bloodbath for the country that will be the
1:06:19
least of it. But they're not going to sell those cars.
1:06:22
They're building massive factories. A friend of mine,
1:06:24
there you go, there you go. It's going to be a bloodbath for the
1:06:28
country.
1:06:30
Adam Curry: Yeah. So that's futile.
1:06:35
John C Dvorak: It is fun,
1:06:36
Adam Curry: but that's what a good prosecutor does. You know,
1:06:39
there's certainly in the courtroom, there's nothing
1:06:41
against the prosecutor lying. She's used to it. That's what
1:06:44
you do. That's what you do.
1:06:48
John C Dvorak: Well, this reminds me of the prosecutor.
1:06:50
The other one that's out there is Adam Schiff, who, during one
1:06:54
of the impeachment trials, made up stories on the fly about what
1:06:58
he was managing. Remember that he goes on and on about what
1:07:01
Trump and Zielinski were talking about, and he was just lying,
1:07:06
and it was just the same thing, exactly. Gosh,
1:07:09
Unknown: what was it? Was that one?
1:07:12
John C Dvorak: I'd be stunned.
1:07:15
Adam Curry: It was he was doing a little play. He was Schiff
1:07:19
story. Probably
1:07:23
Unknown: not going to find it.
1:07:27
Adam Curry: I think it might be just worth it, just because I
1:07:29
think that was the strongest. I think Trump's closer was strong,
1:07:37
and I haven't really seen it clipped anywhere. I don't know
1:07:41
if people are considering clipping it or not, I think they
1:07:44
should.
1:07:44
John C Dvorak: What the end of the thing says, Well, if you're
1:07:47
such a hot shot, why have you been doing this all along? No,
1:07:50
I'm
1:07:50
Adam Curry: talking about his, his, his closing his closing
1:07:54
argument. So she
1:07:55
Unknown: just started by saying she's going to do this, she's
1:07:57
going to do that. She's going to do all these wonderful things.
1:08:00
Why hasn't she done it?
1:08:02
John C Dvorak: Just said,
1:08:07
Unknown: I misunderstood you. Hasn't
1:08:10
she done it? She's been there for three and a half years.
1:08:13
They've had three and a half years to fix the border. They've
1:08:16
had three and a half years to create jobs. And all the things
1:08:20
we talked about. Why hasn't she done it? She should leave right
1:08:25
now. Go down to that beautiful white house, go to the Capitol,
1:08:29
get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you
1:08:31
haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things
1:08:35
that the American people don't believe in. You believe in
1:08:38
things like, we're not going to frack we're not going to take
1:08:41
fossil fuel. We're not going to do things that are going to make
1:08:44
this country strong, whether you like it or not, Germany tried
1:08:48
that, and within one year, they were back to building normal
1:08:52
energy plants. We're not ready for it. We can't sacrifice our
1:08:57
country for the sake of bad vision. But I just ask one
1:09:00
simple question, why didn't she do it? We're a failing nation.
1:09:06
We're a nation that's in serious decline. We're being laughed at
1:09:10
all over the world. All over the world, they're left. I know the
1:09:13
leaders very well. They're coming to see me. They call me.
1:09:16
We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand
1:09:19
what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader. We don't
1:09:23
have any idea what's going on. We have wars going on in the
1:09:26
Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.
1:09:31
We're going to end up in a third world war, and it will be a war
1:09:34
like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.
1:09:38
I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the
1:09:43
Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people
1:09:48
have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is
1:09:51
allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of
1:09:55
them are criminals, and they are destroying our country. The
1:09:58
worst president, the worst. First vice president in the
1:10:01
history of our country. Yeah,
1:10:04
Adam Curry: I thought that was good. That was, that was his
1:10:07
message. That was the whole debate. That's right there. He
1:10:10
the
1:10:11
John C Dvorak: criticism of that message was he should have used
1:10:13
that thematically throughout the debate. Well, he did, because
1:10:17
people have tuned on there. I don't know how many people
1:10:19
listen to the end, there was 67 point 1 million listeners, total
1:10:23
Adam Curry: viewers, or listeners, viewers, probably
1:10:26
viewers,
1:10:26
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. And I don't know how many people were
1:10:30
at the end. They were because it was getting kind of boring.
1:10:35
Adam Curry: I'm sure people tuned out like, Oh no, can't
1:10:39
watch. Can't watch.
1:10:41
John C Dvorak: But as you listen to these clips, stand alone,
1:10:44
Trump sounds great. Making the
1:10:45
Unknown: points, making the points absolutely and
1:10:50
John C Dvorak: after they they're regurgitated and run on
1:10:53
tick tock and elsewhere with these guys over to dubbing
1:10:58
everything. He wins the debate. In hindsight. Now I don't know
1:11:04
if he's going to do more debates. I'll give you. There
1:11:06
was an interesting stat that ran on his debating Hillary,
1:11:10
Adam Curry: oh, he's already been asking for one. I think.
1:11:12
No, he's,
1:11:14
John C Dvorak: he's, yeah. He want, if they do it on Fox,
1:11:16
he'll do it, yeah, but do, but he, if he does it, he said, NBC,
1:11:21
for some unknown reason, he's not going to do a debate there.
1:11:23
But someone she had this poll up, or it wasn't a poll. It was
1:11:27
a stat that when Hillary, Hillary beat him all three
1:11:30
debates, supposedly. And in debate number one, her point
1:11:34
total went up in terms of, in terms of the election one point
1:11:40
after debate number two, she was up by five, and after debate
1:11:44
number three, she was up by seven,
1:11:46
Adam Curry: right? And then she was aware of this, then she
1:11:49
lost. It's amazing, and then she
1:11:50
John C Dvorak: lost, yes, which is amazing, you're right, but if
1:11:55
I was, I don't think, I think those numbers are frightening.
1:11:57
It because he'll be beaten by her again, or it appears to be
1:12:03
He healed. I don't think he's going to do anymore, unless it's
1:12:07
on Fox.
1:12:08
Adam Curry: Well, I don't think these debates make that much
1:12:10
difference. I really just don't, by the way, regarding our
1:12:15
previous episode, hey, I live in Latvia, but Russian is my native
1:12:20
tongue. Regarding John's comment that Russians wouldn't hear
1:12:23
comma they most definitely have heard, especially her laugh.
1:12:26
Russia is a country where people are very outward focused. They
1:12:29
are and we're always interested in what happens in the west and
1:12:32
how the West sees them. On federal channels. They are
1:12:35
showing American election news all the time. When someone goes
1:12:39
to America to visit or live, the most common question from
1:12:41
Russians to them would be, so what do Americans think about
1:12:44
Russia? And when they answer, they mostly don't. They, they
1:12:48
don't believe it. Oh, all right, that's a Vitali. Malaysia checks
1:12:54
believe it. Malaysia checks in. In Malaysia, you think about
1:12:58
Kamala, we think about the laugh. So I think
1:13:02
John C Dvorak: I got in Yes, I was wrong. Okay, it appears that
1:13:08
the Kamala laugh is more universally accepted and known
1:13:12
than I thought. Because I didn't see any reason why it would be,
1:13:16
but I guess it is. So I guess she's it's cold, nuts. Her hyena
1:13:19
laugh is worldwide, well known. It's tick tock.
1:13:23
Adam Curry: It's the, it's the it's the coconut Gambit. So I'm
1:13:28
done with the debate. If you are, we can move on. Oh, by the
1:13:31
way, did you see Biden put on the Trump hat?
1:13:35
John C Dvorak: Yes, this was so embarrassing. No, although, you
1:13:39
know, I have to wonder whether he he knew what he was doing.
1:13:44
No. I mean, is it possible that Biden put on the Trump hat
1:13:48
because he could feel the oil? They're going to give him the
1:13:52
slack and flack for it, but he knew he what he was doing,
1:13:57
because he doesn't like Camelot. I think a bunch of stuff's going
1:14:00
to start coming out about camel. More of these old clips are
1:14:03
going to get dredged up. There's a lot of them. There's a lot of
1:14:06
dredged a few up on this show already. There's a lot of time
1:14:09
for it, and we got 50 days for more of it to come out. Uh,
1:14:14
Adam Curry: now the the Trump meme squad is out. No doubt
1:14:18
they're out. The
1:14:20
John C Dvorak: memes are out, yes, and the other size memes
1:14:23
are not good.
1:14:26
Adam Curry: They have weak memes. They're weak memers. So
1:14:30
Now switching gears, but staying on immigration. We just heard
1:14:34
that Germany, of course, is the seam that the solar and wind
1:14:39
energy, the energy vendor and blowing up their nuclear plants
1:14:45
or closing them down. At best, I think they actually imploded.
1:14:49
Two of them, not a good idea.
1:14:51
John C Dvorak: They completely decommissioned a couple, yeah,
1:14:54
not a good idea. So
1:14:55
Adam Curry: they're trying to get back. Why they did it.
1:14:57
John C Dvorak: How did they get talked into that stupidity?
1:15:00
Adam Curry: Be Well, the Germans since World War Two, they're,
1:15:03
you know, they have guilt, and they need to do what they're
1:15:06
told, and they're very sorry about everything, and they're
1:15:09
traumatized people. But now, with the alternative for
1:15:13
Deutschlands rising saying, hey, the people are pissed now. Now
1:15:19
the German government's trying to change some things, controls
1:15:21
Unknown: for those entering Germany, such as this one near
1:15:24
Poland, now looks set to become widespread across the country's
1:15:27
3700 kilometer long land border, after ramping up security
1:15:31
measures on several of its frontiers last year, amid a
1:15:34
surge in first time asylum requests, Germany has announced
1:15:37
temporary internal checks at all of the country's land borders.
1:15:40
These are the same measures that we are now taking with the Czech
1:15:45
Republic, Poland, Austria and Switzerland. We will then do
1:15:48
this with France, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and
1:15:52
Denmark. I have ordered this today, and have already informed
1:15:55
the EU, starting
1:15:56
next Monday, the controls will initially last for a period of
1:15:59
six months. The decision comes after a deadly mass stabbing
1:16:02
last month in the western city of zollingen, claimed by the
1:16:05
Islamic State group, an attack which inflamed fierce debate
1:16:08
over asylum rules when it transpired that the main suspect
1:16:11
was a Syrian refugee facing deportation, the government has
1:16:14
sought a response to the outrage. In the interior
1:16:17
Minister's view, stepping up border security will help
1:16:20
prevent such incidents in the future,
1:16:22
this will serve to further limit irregular migration and protect
1:16:25
against the acute dangers posed by Islamist terror and serious
1:16:29
crime. We are doing everything we can to better protect the
1:16:32
people in our country against this.
1:16:34
Adam Curry: So I love the term irregular migration, instead of
1:16:38
illegal irregular migration. As a person who grew up in the
1:16:42
Netherlands, having a border and having a checkpoint with Germany
1:16:46
is is hard to even fathom. I mean, you just drive straight
1:16:50
through and then, and now we had Brexit. And, well, actually,
1:16:53
forget Brexit. We had the EU Oh, you won't need passports and
1:16:57
anything like that. Now is like checks on the roadways. Things
1:17:01
have got to be pretty bad. And in general, this is something
1:17:04
I've been tracking with Amsterdam, but it's happening
1:17:08
everywhere. We have the irregular migration, destroying
1:17:14
all the beautiful cities in the European Union totally
1:17:16
destroying them, getting the cheap labor in to run the
1:17:20
tourism industry as the European Union countries are now being
1:17:24
turned into Disneyland, Rome,
1:17:26
Unknown: Santorini, Barcelona, Amsterdam, across Europe.
1:17:30
Efforts of all different sorts continue to roll in in a quest
1:17:34
to curb mass tourism, a case of biting the hand that feeds you,
1:17:39
or a necessary step to preserve a local life. Such moves are
1:17:42
steeped in controversy, with frequent protests among locals,
1:17:46
and as was the case this summer in Mallorca, municipalities are
1:17:49
trying to find solutions. One of the latest a proposal to charge
1:17:53
two euros at the Trevi Fountain in Rome for the city's top
1:17:57
tourism official. The access fee would help manage the crowds and
1:18:00
help them store a better code of conduct among visitors. The
1:18:04
monument already has three entrances, so one could imagine
1:18:09
an entrance, a normal exit and an emergency exit. Of course, we
1:18:14
will experiment with this before making it operational. The
1:18:20
proposal
1:18:20
comes after Venice tested out a five year old fee to visit this
1:18:24
spring and summer, Greece announced it plans to levy a 20
1:18:27
year old tax on cruise ship visitors during the peak summer
1:18:30
season. The Prime Minister said, overturism isn't a problem on
1:18:33
the whole in Greece, but it is becoming one in popular
1:18:37
destinations like santorino Mykonos, Barcelona, is also in
1:18:41
storing attacks on cruise ship visitors that stay for less than
1:18:44
12 hours. Already, the city's mayor has vowed to end short
1:18:48
term apartment rentals to tourists by 2028 the city of
1:18:51
Bruges in Belgium also announced its plans to crack down on short
1:18:55
term rentals, and it has had a cap of two cruise ships a day
1:18:59
since 2019 in the nearby port of ZBrush. Such moves come as the
1:19:04
UN's tourism agency says that tourism is surging and exceeding
1:19:09
expectations by 2% with Europe remaining the world's top
1:19:13
destination. I
1:19:15
Adam Curry: mean, go ahead and go take a look at these European
1:19:17
cities. It's all immigrants in the shops, in the restaurants,
1:19:21
regular or irregular, and it's just been turned into one big
1:19:25
Disneyland. So yeah, we might as well charge him those Horowitz's
1:19:28
were their cruise ship coming over here, parking in front of
1:19:33
our beautiful beaches. We charge you guys some money. This is,
1:19:39
this is a whole new world as happening right before our very
1:19:42
eyes.
1:19:44
John C Dvorak: Well, there's a lot of talk about Europe getting
1:19:50
nuked by the Russians. Well,
1:19:52
Adam Curry: that would certainly make some room for people,
1:19:54
wouldn't it?
1:19:57
John C Dvorak: And, yeah, would. And I, you know, it seems to. I
1:20:00
think it's almost as if we are encouraging it.
1:20:03
Adam Curry: Yeah, did you see the political article?
1:20:07
John C Dvorak: Which one? Oh, there's
1:20:08
Adam Curry: a political article talking about, well, you know,
1:20:10
we're really, we're really starting to think about long
1:20:12
range weapons for Ukraine. Yes.
1:20:15
John C Dvorak: Well, here's, I got two clips. Oh, good, good,
1:20:18
Ukraine. Mole, mole, money clip
1:20:22
Unknown: one and a half billion. And Lam said, Britain will
1:20:25
provide more than 700
1:20:26
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. NTD let me do this one.
1:20:28
Unknown: Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken and British
1:20:30
Foreign Secretary David Lammy have arrived in Ukraine. They're
1:20:34
on a joint visit to show support for Kyiv. Ukraine is asking for
1:20:37
long range missiles to strike deep into Russian territory, but
1:20:41
there are concerns in Washington and some European capitals that
1:20:44
providing them would provoke Russia into a direct conflict
1:20:48
with the West. Officials also recognize that Ukraine needs
1:20:51
more support if it has turned the war in its favor here up
1:20:55
Lincoln and Lamy, the bottom
1:20:56
line is this, we want Ukraine to win, and we're fully committed
1:21:00
to keep marshaling the support that it needs for its brave
1:21:02
defenders and citizens, to do just that. As we're meeting here
1:21:05
today, we're again seeing Putin dust off his winter playbook
1:21:09
targeting Ukrainian energy and electricity systems to weaponize
1:21:13
the cold against the Ukrainian people.
1:21:15
We're here to listen, to understand the plan, to
1:21:18
understand the strategy and understand the needs across a
1:21:22
whole range of fronts. Yes, of course, equipment, but of
1:21:27
course, energy that has been sabotaged, the support that's
1:21:30
needed on the humanitarian front over these next few months, and
1:21:34
how we continue to mobilize the international community on
1:21:39
Ukraine's behalf.
1:21:40
Blinken
1:21:41
has said he wants to hear directly what kyiv's goals in
1:21:44
the war are and what Washington can do to help achieve them.
1:21:47
Zelensky has repeatedly pushed for permission to use Western
1:21:50
missiles to strike targets within Russia President Joe
1:21:54
Biden and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer are set to discuss the
1:21:58
issue in Washington on Friday. Biden previously allowed Ukraine
1:22:02
to fire us provided missiles across the border into Russia in
1:22:06
self defense, but has largely limited the distance over
1:22:09
concerns about further escalating the conflict.
1:22:12
However, Russia suspects the decision to give Ukraine long
1:22:16
range missiles has already been made.
1:22:19
Adam Curry: Well, it's law, I mean, the all that the only
1:22:23
thing that has to happen is our president, after they wake him
1:22:27
up at four in the afternoon, all he has to say is, yeah, it's
1:22:29
okay. It's already it's good to go. Just have to say yes. And
1:22:34
the question is, when will they say yes? And you know, this is
1:22:38
the military guys. They're, they're the ones running all
1:22:41
this, and they don't care. What city do you think will get hit
1:22:44
first in in Europe? Kia,
1:22:47
John C Dvorak: Kyiv, yes,
1:22:49
Adam Curry: Kyiv, but that would just be a start.
1:22:53
John C Dvorak: No, once you did one, then all hell would break
1:22:55
loose. And they'd had, you know, if they wanted to have some fun,
1:22:58
they'd flatten Paris.
1:23:02
Unknown: I now,
1:23:05
Adam Curry: why would that
1:23:06
John C Dvorak: be? The French are the big talkers about
1:23:08
sending troops over there
1:23:10
Adam Curry: if you want to have some fun, yeah, blow that Eiffel
1:23:13
Tower up. So I play the second clip this, UK. Yes,
1:23:17
John C Dvorak: the second clip is just, it's about the UK.
1:23:19
Yeah, Panda
1:23:20
Unknown: Lam said, Britain will provide more than $780 million
1:23:23
in additional support to Ukraine. It will include around
1:23:26
350 million for humanitarian needs and over 480 million in
1:23:31
loan guarantees before the end of the year. That's in addition
1:23:34
to nearly $4 billion a year of military support Britain has
1:23:39
already committed to Ukraine for as long as needed.
1:23:43
John C Dvorak: Yeah, so just 4 billion a year for as long as
1:23:46
needed. So just to
1:23:47
Adam Curry: recap, this goes back to 2014 when Victoria
1:23:51
Newland came in. Started, the Maidan, John McCain, Brennan,
1:23:56
everyone was over there getting, getting everything all all
1:23:59
started. Of course, you know, we had all kinds of corruption with
1:24:03
children of our elites who were making money there, Hunter
1:24:07
Biden, but also Romney's kid, all kinds of money just being
1:24:12
made, left and right. And before this all started, there was a
1:24:16
peace treaty on the table. The peace treaty was, was it looked
1:24:21
like everyone was okay with it. Because why was Putin mad?
1:24:25
Because Zelensky came out and said, Well, you know, I think we
1:24:28
should probably get some NATO nuclear weapons here. Don't you
1:24:31
think that's a good idea? Am I recalling that timeline more or
1:24:35
less correctly, more or less and Boris Johnson went over and
1:24:40
said, hey, yeah, you can't sign this peace deal that came much
1:24:44
later. You can't sign this peace deal much later. Yeah,
1:24:48
John C Dvorak: it would because they had the peace deal done.
1:24:51
Yes, it was the Minsk. I think this is the Minsk, one min and
1:24:55
as they were going to implement it, that's when Boris Johnson
1:24:58
went over there
1:24:59
Adam Curry: and. And this was detailed in a recent interview,
1:25:02
an interview with the one the only Victoria Nudelman, ie
1:25:08
Nuland. There
1:25:09
Unknown: was a story first told by former Israeli Prime Minister
1:25:12
navtali Bennett that that both sides were really close to the
1:25:16
end to the successful end of the negotiations. And then Prime
1:25:22
Minister Boris Johnson, interfered and stopped
1:25:26
Ukrainians. Prevented Ukrainians from from signing, signing the
1:25:30
deal. And then Ukrainian Representative arahami, kind of
1:25:35
confirmed that, yes, he said in an interview that there was some
1:25:39
kind of advice from Boris Johnson to
1:25:43
stop negotiating and to win this war militarily. Where is the
1:25:47
myth? Where is the truth?
1:25:49
Relatively late in the game, the Ukrainians began asking for
1:25:57
advice on where this thing was going. And it became clear to
1:26:02
us, clear to the Brits, clear to others, that Putin's main
1:26:08
condition was buried in an annex to this document that they were
1:26:15
working on.
1:26:16
Adam Curry: Oh, it was secret. He buried it. It was a very
1:26:19
secret, secret demand he had,
1:26:22
Unknown: and it included limits on the precise kinds of weapons
1:26:26
systems that Ukraine could have. Yeah,
1:26:30
Adam Curry: NATO, nuclear weapons. Oh, well, that was just
1:26:35
horrible
1:26:36
Unknown: after the deal such that Ukraine would basically be
1:26:40
neutered as a military force, and there were no similar
1:26:44
constraints on Russia.
1:26:46
Oh,
1:26:49
Adam Curry: so there she is, full admission. So that's why
1:26:52
they stopped the deal, because the whole thing was about in the
1:26:55
first place, about the nuclear weapons, which Ukraine never
1:26:58
had. Ukraine is not a NATO member, but they wanted to sneak
1:27:01
it in, encroaching on Russia. And, yeah, I mean, remember when
1:27:06
Cuba had some nuclear missiles? Well, we, we, we had to deal
1:27:10
with that, didn't we? These people are horrible. And you
1:27:16
know what? She's so horrible. She's become to look like the
1:27:19
person she is on the inside. Yeah,
1:27:21
John C Dvorak: she's starting to she looks exactly like a
1:27:23
horrible person. Jabba the Hutt, yes.
1:27:27
Adam Curry: Here we go. Yeah, yeah. The EU, yeah, that's what
1:27:30
she said. She doesn't care about you. EU, she didn't care about
1:27:34
you. You'll see.
1:27:35
John C Dvorak: I'm actually surprised that that clip didn't
1:27:37
have more backlash
1:27:39
Unknown: the interview. No, no,
1:27:42
John C Dvorak: the FD, FDU. When she said, everyone in the EU
1:27:46
heard it, don't
1:27:47
Adam Curry: you remember the the reporting, or she said an
1:27:49
expletive, they only focused on the F word, not on the actual
1:27:53
what it was about, like
1:27:55
John C Dvorak: I was targeting the EU, yeah, well, which is, of
1:27:58
course, I think the EU should be targeted, and I think they've
1:28:01
I'm not the only one who thinks that way, and I think pushing a
1:28:05
nuke nuclear exchange within Europe and Russia would suit us
1:28:10
just fine, as long as they don't shoot one at us. God, don't you
1:28:14
think? I mean, am I wrong?
1:28:16
Adam Curry: No, but I'm. I'm a little more pacifist in this can
1:28:20
we? Can
1:28:21
John C Dvorak: we don't like the idea, but I'm just saying it
1:28:23
seems that that's what we're we're up to, and they're gonna
1:28:25
start well that we haven't provoked one yet. So let's just
1:28:30
give them some long range missiles and maybe a couple of
1:28:33
shots at Moscow might trigger it. Yeah. We
1:28:36
Adam Curry: gotta get this going, people. We gotta move.
1:28:38
Move, move. All right. I got to switch, switch gears. I got to
1:28:42
move to something funny. Well,
1:28:44
John C Dvorak: before, oh, okay, well, I want to play well,
1:28:48
Adam Curry: what do you have? What
1:28:49
John C Dvorak: do you have? Well, I want to play these.
1:28:51
These. There's some protests going on around the world. Okay,
1:28:54
well, that's not funny. Yeah, no, it's not funny, no. But
1:28:59
before I play that, I do want to play this, since it kind of
1:29:01
relates to the clips you just played. You just played, which
1:29:03
is the BBC had a representative Poland on and I just want to
1:29:06
this was showed up on Tiktok. And I just thought it was a good
1:29:09
clip, because it shows you that in some Poland and Hungary in
1:29:13
particular, they actually the leaders there care about the
1:29:18
people they're representing. And I thought this was a good
1:29:21
exchange to classic BBC. How
1:29:24
Unknown: many refugees has Poland taken? Zero. And you're
1:29:28
proud of that.
1:29:29
If you are asking me, if you're if you are asking me about
1:29:32
Muslim Muslims, illegal immigration, none. Not even one
1:29:38
will come to Poland. Not even one. If it's illegal, we took
1:29:42
over 2 million Ukrainians who are working, who are peaceful in
1:29:46
Poland, we will not receive even one Muslim, because this is what
1:29:50
we promised. But
1:29:50
I asked illegal immigrants. I asked about refugees and Jean
1:29:55
Claude Juncker, the commission president, says that you're
1:29:58
racist. You sound. Proud of the fact that you haven't taken any
1:30:02
refugees,
1:30:03
of course, because this is what our people expecting from our
1:30:06
government. That's number one. This is why our government was
1:30:10
elected, but this is why Poland is so safe. This is the reason
1:30:15
why we have not even one terrorist attack. Look at the
1:30:19
streets in Poland, and we can be called populists, nationalists,
1:30:24
racists. I don't care. I care about my family and about my
1:30:28
country. Now
1:30:29
Adam Curry: that's no good. Can't have that. Caring about
1:30:33
your country. Maybe in Poland you get a nuke. That's what
1:30:39
John C Dvorak: that's the interesting angle to that was,
1:30:42
this is what the people wanted. They wanted to be protected from
1:30:46
the bull crap and, well, that that guy. We're not seeing that.
1:30:51
Here we see protecting the bankers, as you mentioned. Keep
1:30:54
mentioning that. Yeah, yeah. You know the benefits the bankers,
1:30:58
or
1:30:58
Adam Curry: some would say, the Jews. It's not just bankers.
1:31:05
John C Dvorak: Do you know here's so what I wanted to post
1:31:07
the anti arms protests in Philly. This was interesting,
1:31:10
because this, I think this is a democracy now clip, you might
1:31:14
want to put the warning up, but, oh boy, this was not reported
1:31:18
anywhere.
1:31:19
Adam Curry: Oh man, where's the Amy clip? I can't find Amy good
1:31:23
John C Dvorak: Don't you have to play
1:31:24
Unknown: it. In Philadelphia, several people were arrested
1:31:26
Tuesday evening as hundreds of protesters gathered outside the
1:31:30
venue of the presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Donald
1:31:33
Trump to demand an end to us support for Israel's war on
1:31:35
Gaza. I'm definitely
1:31:36
not going to be voting for Trump or Harris. Terrible war
1:31:41
criminals, and Kamala
1:31:43
want to act like she's one of the people, and she is not. She
1:31:46
is part of the same administration sending bonds to
1:31:49
death
1:31:52
ahead of Tuesday's debate, Minnesota Governor and
1:31:55
democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz was heckled by
1:31:58
pro Palestine protesters during a campaign event in Phoenix,
1:32:02
Arizona. Meanwhile, in Australia, hundreds of
1:32:05
protesters rallied outside a weapons industry convention in
1:32:08
Melbourne. Earlier today, police fired stun grenades, rubber
1:32:12
bullets and pepper spray, arresting dozens of
1:32:14
demonstrators. Hundreds of weapons traders representing at
1:32:17
least 30 countries are expected to attend the land Force's 2024
1:32:21
military weapons Expo this week. Oh,
1:32:23
Adam Curry: the weapons Expo shopping. Let's go shopping. Is
1:32:27
Zelensky showing up? Expo? Is Zelensky showing up? Let's go
1:32:32
shopping. I want some holy range. Love
1:32:34
John C Dvorak: to go to the weapons Expo.
1:32:36
Adam Curry: I bet it's a hoot. I bet I bet there's a lot of
1:32:41
partying going on there. Can you imagine those parties? Speaking
1:32:45
it's
1:32:45
John C Dvorak: got to be better than anything the computer
1:32:47
industry ever put on. Well,
1:32:49
Adam Curry: speaking of such, have you ever partied with Larry
1:32:52
Ellison?
1:32:55
John C Dvorak: I have never partied with Larry Ellison, but
1:32:57
I do know him. You've met him? Yeah, I actually introduced him
1:33:01
at an event once, and then I've run into him a couple of times.
1:33:04
Can you
1:33:04
Adam Curry: give me a characterization of Larry
1:33:06
Ellison? I mean, I've met him once. He would, Oracle was my
1:33:09
client when we had think new ideas. Actually, Ray Lane was,
1:33:13
was the big finance guy there, who later was our VC at Kleiner
1:33:17
Perkins, and, and, you know, and, and we, we did a Super Bowl
1:33:21
promotion for Oracle. We did the ad for them, and we did the Sign
1:33:27
Up website. It must have been, wow, 98 there was a 98 Super
1:33:32
Bowl. Does that sound right? I didn't know, yeah. And he seemed
1:33:36
like a sharp guy to me. How about you?
1:33:38
John C Dvorak: I've always thought he seems like a very
1:33:40
smart guy, not a complete asshole that I could tell, and
1:33:46
likable, very likable. I
1:33:48
Adam Curry: hear he's got great weed. Just kidding. I hear he's
1:33:53
got great weed. I'm just kidding. So he's now that he
1:33:57
stepped down from Oracle as the Chief Executive Officer. He's
1:34:00
now the Chief Technology Officer, which I think, I think
1:34:04
kind of makes sense. I mean, is he really a tech guy? You always
1:34:08
see more like a sales guy? To me,
1:34:11
John C Dvorak: yeah, he's kind of a tech guy because, oh,
1:34:13
Adam Curry: I remember we also produced the introduction of the
1:34:17
the network computer. What was that? Was it called the network
1:34:21
computer? You remember that debacle?
1:34:24
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was a little company rolled out now,
1:34:26
Gina Smith, actually, he named her CEO of that thing for a
1:34:29
while. That was too early. That was mistimed. It didn't work
1:34:35
out. It was a it was disaster, yeah. So
1:34:37
Adam Curry: we did, what was the name? Was it net? I had a name.
1:34:39
I
1:34:39
John C Dvorak: think it was called network computer systems,
1:34:42
or something
1:34:43
Adam Curry: simple like that. Because I remember we did the
1:34:45
the launch of that in New York City. And it was, it was we
1:34:49
didn't do the production of it. The stage production was
1:34:51
amazing. It had explosions and then all kinds of smoke and and
1:34:56
like a helicopter flying through the air. And it was a big.
1:35:00
Production. And then larisson Ellison's opening line was, I
1:35:04
come to work that way every day. I mean, it was, it was really,
1:35:07
it was a great bit. So Oracle had a great had a great quarter.
1:35:11
Everybody, great cue, great cue, guys, great cue that based upon
1:35:16
AI. And I hadn't really expected that. I didn't expect Oracle,
1:35:21
nobody did. No and and so I listened to the earnings call.
1:35:26
And the in the earnings call, they also have their 2025,
1:35:30
guidance, oh, we're going to tell you how great it's going to
1:35:33
be. And so this is where the analysts call in, well, first as
1:35:38
a statement, you know, from the CFO and the CEO and talk about
1:35:42
how great they are, and then they have the analysts and
1:35:45
people who are doing coverage on the company call up and ask
1:35:48
questions, and most of them start with, hey, great quarter,
1:35:51
guys. You really knocked it out of the park. That's really
1:35:53
great. Here's the question I have for you, and in these
1:35:56
answers, this is where you want to provide guidance, which you
1:35:59
know should make your stock become very attractive to
1:36:03
institutional investors, etc. Am I characterizing that correctly?
1:36:06
More or less. If you want to add anything that I not do that
1:36:10
right? Well, typically,
1:36:12
John C Dvorak: the people in Silicon Valley try to under,
1:36:16
under, under promote to get better results. So you say,
1:36:22
well, we're gonna we look like we're gonna do this much, and
1:36:24
then they do that much, plus a panty, and the stock goes
1:36:27
skyrocket. Here's what they're trying to
1:36:28
Adam Curry: do well. So Ellison is here to promote the
1:36:32
technology that Oracle has and how much money they're going to
1:36:35
make from it. So I have a couple clips here. Larry,
1:36:39
Unknown: how do you envision the market, transitioning from the
1:36:42
AI training phase to the AI inferencing phase, there's,
1:36:46
there's some debate out there on whether we have an imbalance or
1:36:50
a bubble on the front end of the curve, because training is a
1:36:54
compute intensive and then perhaps it recalibrates
1:36:57
differently somehow for the inferencing Stage, which might
1:37:00
be less intensive, or do you see the potential for high growth,
1:37:04
kind of all the way through both of these phases? Well, a lot of
1:37:09
people think that, my God, I send the kid to college, and
1:37:12
then I'm done. The training is over. I got four years of
1:37:15
training, and then then I can put the kid to work, and they'll
1:37:17
be doing inferencing. And that's not true. This race goes on
1:37:22
forever to build a better and better neural network, and the
1:37:31
cost of that training gets to be astronomical. When I talk about
1:37:35
building gigawatt or multi gigawatt data centers, I mean
1:37:40
these AI models, these these frontier models, are going to
1:37:45
the entry price for a real frontier model from someone
1:37:48
wants to compete in that area is around $100 billion let me
1:37:52
repeat around $100 billion that's over the next four or
1:37:55
five years, for anyone who wants to play in that game. That's a
1:37:59
lot of money, and it doesn't get it doesn't get easier. So
1:38:02
they're not going to be a lot of those. I mean, we could, you
1:38:04
know, this is not the place to list. Who can actually build one
1:38:08
of these frontier models.
1:38:10
Adam Curry: $100 billion will be the entry price to play in this
1:38:14
AI game seems high, and I had to look up frontier models, which
1:38:22
is just a fancy word for the newest models, is not like
1:38:25
anything special is a frontier. Oh, it's frontier like we're a
1:38:27
frontier podcast. So, hmm, what? What can these specialized
1:38:33
models do? Larry,
1:38:35
Unknown: but in addition to that, they're going to be a lot
1:38:37
of very, very specialized models. I can tell you things
1:38:40
that I'm personally involved in which which are using computers
1:38:45
to look at slide biopsies of slides or CAT scans to discover
1:38:52
cancer. Also discover
1:38:54
Adam Curry: cancer. Have we already discovered cancer?
1:38:58
Discover cancer. They're
1:39:00
Unknown: also blood tests we're doing for, you know, for
1:39:02
discovering cancer. Those
1:39:04
Adam Curry: sounds like Theranos, anybody. We'll do a
1:39:07
blood test and run the AI over it, and then we'll discover
1:39:09
cancer. Uh huh, okay, for, you know, if
1:39:12
Unknown: we're discovering cancer, those tend to be very
1:39:14
specialized models. Those, those tend not necessarily to use the
1:39:18
foundational, you know, that, you know, the groks and the open
1:39:23
and the chatgpt and the llamas and and the Geminis, they tend
1:39:28
to be highly specialized models. Wow.
1:39:30
Adam Curry: So all that's bull crap. You want to come to us,
1:39:32
because we can detect cancer in your blood, which I think
1:39:34
there's pretty good tests for, but for some reason we needed to
1:39:38
have ai do it. So maybe you can just run into the drugstore.
1:39:41
This is Theranos. This is literally what Theranos was
1:39:43
saying they could do. Oh, you just do a quick little prick on
1:39:46
your finger, and then we'll see if you have cancer. So then the
1:39:49
big question comes, hey, is anyone going to monetize this
1:39:53
stuff? Can anyone make any money on this AI stuff?
1:39:56
Unknown: You already have traditional AI sprinkled
1:39:58
throughout all the oracles? Products and capabilities, but
1:40:01
where do you see the monetization, monetizable value
1:40:05
of Gen AI and the app side? How long do you think it's going to
1:40:08
take for Gen AI to be a meaningful revenue, not just for
1:40:12
Oracle, but software in general, on the app side, not on the
1:40:15
training side. Thank you. Let me start with with health care,
1:40:20
from everything from, uh, us helping doctors diagnose
1:40:26
Adam Curry: different what?
1:40:29
John C Dvorak: Cancer?
1:40:30
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, this is what's crazy. You I'm just
1:40:33
joking. No, keep playing. You're laughing. You're joking. But
1:40:36
Unknown: that's it. Us helping doctors diagnose, you know,
1:40:41
different diseases. When someone goes in to get a sonogram, and
1:40:50
I've seen Hamana, Hamana, Hamana, the nurses and the
1:40:55
technicians and the doctors actually measure the baby's
1:40:58
skull and measure the baby's spinal cord to see how the baby
1:41:01
that's utterly ridiculous. Let
1:41:03
Adam Curry: ai do that. You don't need to look at a
1:41:05
sonogram. Doctor, no, no, we need $100 billion to have aI
1:41:09
tell us that the umbilical cord is wrapped around the baby's
1:41:12
neck. The
1:41:14
Unknown: computer should do all of that. And if there's an
1:41:16
umbilical wrapped around the fetus's neck, the computer
1:41:19
should discover all of that, and that should all be recorded. The
1:41:22
doctor could get assistance from a computer doing all of this
1:41:24
stuff, let the doctor know
1:41:26
Adam Curry: that whether there's it's called a medical student,
1:41:28
Larry, there's stability
1:41:30
Unknown: or disease progression or whatever the doctor needs to
1:41:34
know prior to the consultation with the patient. That summary
1:41:38
is presented, created by AI, human readable summary.
1:41:42
Adam Curry: It prints out a report, okay, the umbilical
1:41:46
cords wrapped around the baby's neck. Oh, that's good. I'm glad
1:41:48
I know that going into this consultation, then
1:41:51
Unknown: AI listens to the consultation between the doctor
1:41:54
and the patient. This is already delivered. This is already out
1:41:57
there. It
1:41:57
Adam Curry: does a transcript, just like we have for the
1:41:59
podcast, delivered to listen to the
1:42:01
Unknown: constellation with Doctor, the patient. If the
1:42:03
doctor orders a prescription, the AI checks to make sure the
1:42:05
prescription is accurate and enters the prescription the
1:42:09
doctor, the AI updates the electronic health. Does
1:42:12
Adam Curry: this sound a lot like your fridge will know when
1:42:14
your milk is out and will automatically order it for you.
1:42:17
This is a Rube Goldberg machine that cost $100 billion
1:42:21
Unknown: records the AI transcribes and distributes lost
1:42:26
doctors orders, all from listening to the conversation,
1:42:29
the doctor then gets a draft at the end of the conversation that
1:42:32
the doctor can quickly review and approve, and then the
1:42:36
prescriptions are filled and the orders and the order order
1:42:39
orders are executed and the electronic health records are
1:42:42
updated. We're already doing all of that.
1:42:45
Adam Curry: Oh, it's amazing. Oh, this is just already
1:42:48
John C Dvorak: doing all of that. Why do they need the 100
1:42:50
billion dollar investment? Ah, well, he
1:42:52
Adam Curry: has a kicker here. This is the final clip, and at
1:42:55
the end, you'll hear him fall apart and do something you
1:42:57
should never do, by the way, he's channeling Ron Bloom here,
1:43:01
that whole sequence of well, you know, then automatically, the
1:43:05
podcast will be delivered, and we'll insert an ad, and we'll be
1:43:09
able to track that and know if the person went into the store
1:43:11
online, and the future is just limitless for $100 billion and
1:43:17
now Larry's gonna screw it up, But first he's going to explain
1:43:21
what this really is. A spoiler alert. It's a chat bot, just
1:43:25
Unknown: the user interface, our user interface, you say, Oracle,
1:43:29
please show me Larry Ellison's latest X rays. We it's a voice
1:43:33
interface. You just ask for them. You know,
1:43:36
Siri. How
1:43:37
do you log on? Well, you look at the computer, and it recognizes
1:43:41
your face and it recognizes your voice, that knows you're the
1:43:43
doctor
1:43:44
Adam Curry: and you're authorized to look at that. My
1:43:46
Microsoft laptop does that.
1:43:47
Unknown: All the authorization is done with AI. You know, when
1:43:50
are we going to start monetizing it? AI is just, I don't know.
1:43:54
Adam Curry: This is where he this is the biggest mistake he
1:43:56
could have made when, because he doesn't understand about apps.
1:44:00
He's talking about Oracle, and he's making a big mistake here.
1:44:04
When are we going
1:44:05
Unknown: to start monetizing it? AI is just, I don't know how to
1:44:08
describe the best way describe it. It's not something you sell
1:44:12
separately. What it is, it is, it is the diagnosis. It's the
1:44:16
diagnostic system, it's the electronic health record system.
1:44:20
It is the pharmacy system, this prescription system, the user
1:44:25
authentication, the login system. It's all AI. And I know
1:44:29
people think it's a separate thing that, oh my God, and I
1:44:32
hear a bunch of applications, and they say, Oh, we got, we
1:44:35
got, now got AI agents we'll charge for separately. I mean,
1:44:38
it's our applications are going to be primarily AI applications,
1:44:44
everything. How do you charge separately for everything? I
1:44:48
really don't I find it bewildering when I listen to
1:44:51
them talk. I don't understand what they're saying. I wonder,
1:44:56
I'll stop there. Yeah,
1:44:57
Adam Curry: you'll stop there. He just said, we. No way of
1:45:00
making extra money on it. This was a bad, bad mistake he made
1:45:06
here, and it's vapor. There's nothing. Oh, yeah, you're gonna
1:45:12
need $100 billion
1:45:13
John C Dvorak: somebody's got to come up with a jingle for the
1:45:15
Adam curry. I hate AI segment of the show. It's a bubble.
1:45:23
Adam Curry: Well, Did you by any chance watch the Apple event,
1:45:26
the special Apple event. I saw some of it. I can give you.
1:45:30
Would you like my summary? Would you Well,
1:45:32
John C Dvorak: I'm sure your summary is as good as any Well,
1:45:35
I'd like
1:45:35
Adam Curry: to hear your your version first. Hey,
1:45:39
John C Dvorak: we got some stuff that's going to come out. We're
1:45:41
going to make a special phone, and this is going to be the
1:45:43
greatest thing is sliced bread. You have to buy this very
1:45:46
expensive phone. It's going to be overpriced. But don't worry
1:45:49
about it, because we're going to have software someday that might
1:45:52
take advantage of this overpriced phone very
1:45:56
Adam Curry: close to mine. Except I have some keywords.
1:45:59
Everything we make is gorgeous. Our new chips will help you find
1:46:04
fix and fake pictures and videos of your otherwise boring life
1:46:08
and make you feel like you're awesome and gorgeous. Our AI
1:46:12
will help you get things done as soon as we release it, which is
1:46:16
soon, everything's the same price, but 20% bigger and 20%
1:46:21
more gorgeous. Yes, all of our men here at Apple are still
1:46:25
disturbingly bow legged, but at least they're gorgeous.
1:46:30
Unknown: That was my version of the Apple event.
1:46:34
John C Dvorak: You need to say gorgeous with more of a lisp,
1:46:37
gorgeous. There you go.
1:46:40
Adam Curry: I'm working on it. It's just gorgeous. That's
1:46:46
John C Dvorak: kind of a combination Lisp, Sylvester, the
1:46:49
cat. This is even funnier.
1:46:52
Adam Curry: Gorgeous, gorgeous, just gorgeous. I was surprised
1:46:56
though, about the Cox media story, which I finally got a
1:47:02
clip, had to come from France 20. Well
1:47:04
John C Dvorak: before you go to there this, stay with the Apple
1:47:06
thing, for one thing, because the big other story was this
1:47:09
$4,000 stupid phone that Huawei supposedly sold 4 million copies
1:47:16
of, sight unseen, that has a three fold aspect to it that's
1:47:22
vertical. It's a it's a horrible looking product. I didn't see.
1:47:26
Have you seen this thing? I'm
1:47:27
Adam Curry: looking at it now. What is up with it? It says 2800
1:47:33
you said $4,000 it says,
1:47:35
John C Dvorak: okay, 2800 Well, it's expensive, yeah. No, 20
1:47:38
isn't 28 Yeah, maybe it's 28 whatever it is. I'm looking at
1:47:42
it. Who the hell you can buy a used car for that? But okay,
1:47:46
really you
1:47:48
Adam Curry: can't buy, no, I don't think you can buy a good,
1:47:51
you, a solid used car for 2800 bucks anymore. Well,
1:47:56
John C Dvorak: whatever you can buy or not buy, that's a dumb
1:48:00
Adam Curry: Yeah, I like those flip phones from Samsung, but
1:48:02
this, no, the Samsung one's
1:48:03
John C Dvorak: got the right idea, because it makes it a nice
1:48:05
little compact unit. Your pocket has got a screen on the outside.
1:48:08
It's dynamite. JC has one, yeah, but this, every time I'm
1:48:12
impressed with what can
1:48:13
Adam Curry: I ask you? Can I ask you about that phone? Is about
1:48:15
it? Is it gorgeous?
1:48:17
John C Dvorak: It's gorgeous? Got it. Never quite right
1:48:22
either. No,
1:48:23
Adam Curry: you you're getting there. It's gorgeous, it's
1:48:25
gorgeous, but every color is gorgeous. It's just gorgeous.
1:48:30
But that
1:48:30
John C Dvorak: thing is just hideous. I was
1:48:33
Adam Curry: reading in the Wall Street Journal, dumb phones and
1:48:36
fax machines are the new boss flex. Finally, finally, finally,
1:48:43
it's going to be cool again. It's going to be cool again to
1:48:46
have a dumb phone. I
1:48:48
Unknown: don't know about the fax machine.
1:48:50
John C Dvorak: The fax I mean, what's the point of a fax
1:48:53
machine? Is idiotic, yeah.
1:48:56
Adam Curry: Anyway, Cox media, this is the accusation. This is
1:49:00
a brief summary from France 24 from the technology chick.
1:49:04
Unknown: What happened is that a couple months ago, the American
1:49:06
conglomerate Cox Media Group admitted on their website that
1:49:09
they had the possibility of listening in to private
1:49:12
conversations and then helping advertisers target people
1:49:15
specifically. But we didn't really have proof. And then just
1:49:17
a couple of days ago, what they were able to obtain a pitch
1:49:22
deck, if you will, for investors, in which they
1:49:24
advocate the power of voice data. And here's what they say
1:49:27
in one of their sections, don't just know what they're looking
1:49:31
for. So they're talking about us here, users, consumers, know
1:49:34
what they are actually talking about. So to really convince
1:49:38
their consumers of the power of voice data, here's what they
1:49:41
add. I'm going to read it to you because I think it's quite
1:49:43
chilling. Think about it. Smartphones have become
1:49:46
appendages of our persons. We're attached to them during the
1:49:49
workday. We bring them to date, soccer games and even to the
1:49:51
bathroom. In most moments of the day, there's a smart device
1:49:55
within a two inch radius of us. That means a smart device. Is
1:50:00
likely within earshot when we talk about our plans for the
1:50:03
weekend. For instance, badly we need our kitchen remodeled, or
1:50:07
debate which SUV model is best for the family with our spouse
1:50:09
and so much more. And they end by saying, creepy. Sure. Great
1:50:14
for marketing, definitely. So I mean, this is eerie. I mean,
1:50:18
this is evil. When you read this, it's one thing to actually
1:50:21
know that it exists, but to actually see how they're talking
1:50:24
about users as mere consumers, it's really something else. Oh
1:50:29
no,
1:50:31
Adam Curry: I'm shocked. They just look at us as dumb buyers.
1:50:34
Oh no, does gambling. I never thought that this was happening
1:50:39
to this degree and sold like this. And, you know, in fact,
1:50:42
I'd probably push back on it, because I know that proximity is
1:50:46
used and, you know, but they actually have been deploying
1:50:49
this in apps. I might add, it's not, probably not in the in the
1:50:53
OS itself, but there's an SDK you can get, you drop it in, and
1:50:57
your app can then, you know, it'll say, Hey, give the give
1:51:00
your give this app your microphone permission. Sure. Got
1:51:03
permission. EULA employees
1:51:05
John C Dvorak: any app you install it gives you. It gives
1:51:08
them permission to go for your contact list. Your turns your
1:51:13
camera on when it wants to, turns your microphone on when it
1:51:16
wants to, yeah, yeah. It's a spying device that you've agreed
1:51:20
to. Well,
1:51:21
Adam Curry: this is the disturbing mini clip here that's
1:51:24
our our, our technology chick in France, 24 who was always
1:51:29
wearing sneakers. And they do a shot of the back from her. She's
1:51:33
got like, a fancy outfit on, but she's always wearing sneakers.
1:51:36
It's like, I'm going to work. But, you know, I just wear my
1:51:39
sneakers. And maybe that's the to be tech cool. This is
1:51:44
something that is very disturbing. I didn't know this
1:51:46
was going on. We've all
1:51:47
Unknown: experienced this situation, I think, where you're
1:51:49
talking about something next to a phone, and then minutes later,
1:51:52
even seconds later, you scroll on an app, or you navigate
1:51:55
online and you find this advertising that's specifically
1:51:58
linked to what you were just talking about. So we all know
1:52:00
that it actually happens, right? And it's even become a joke
1:52:03
online, you know, with women who like purposely talk about
1:52:07
certain things next to their husband's phone to try to
1:52:10
suggest maybe a gift ideas. So that's just one way to do it. If
1:52:14
you have something to tell to your your husband, what
1:52:19
Adam Curry: I didn't know this was going on.
1:52:22
John C Dvorak: You've been suckers.
1:52:25
Adam Curry: No wonder. I'm seeing ads for Tiffany earrings.
1:52:28
Hmm. This is interesting. Well, this is all no good.
1:52:34
John C Dvorak: This is quite funny.
1:52:36
Unknown: This is all no good. It really is no no, none of it
1:52:39
John C Dvorak: good. And it's weak marketing too. You know,
1:52:42
they think, Well, it's great because you really target
1:52:44
people, because you because they talked about something or
1:52:46
another for five seconds, and then let's go for it, and we can
1:52:49
sell an ad spot. Yeah, there's better ways. There's all kinds
1:52:54
of ways of doing it, yeah, without having to spy on an
1:52:58
individual,
1:53:00
Adam Curry: yeah? But they're, they're drunk on it, man. It's
1:53:02
like, oh, look at all this data. Look at all we can do. That's
1:53:05
beautiful. That
1:53:06
John C Dvorak: was what interactive TV was all about
1:53:08
when it first showed up. Oh, man,
1:53:10
Adam Curry: remember IPTV? Remember all that IPTV? It's the
1:53:14
future, yeah. Oh, I talked to
1:53:17
John C Dvorak: always will be
1:53:18
Adam Curry: Did I talk did I tell you about our, our, our
1:53:20
guy, our Hollywood, uh, executive, about the the cable
1:53:24
channel. No. So remember he was going to talk to, oh, right,
1:53:30
right, our cable channel, yeah, yeah. Our V for VTV, yeah. So
1:53:34
he, he talked to the guy who got, I think HBO started, and
1:53:38
couple other he has, he has these contacts, yeah, it's not a
1:53:41
slouch. No, no, he's he's the real deal. He says, Well, bad
1:53:46
news. My guy felt it was not possible in this environment
1:53:50
that it would be incredibly unlikely to get a carriage deal.
1:53:54
He did promise to give further thought, but I'm currently not
1:53:57
optimistic. It's the state of because I and I went back and I
1:54:00
said, but if we bring in Joe Rogan, and we can bring all
1:54:04
these other big names, no, it's not about Joe. He says it's the
1:54:07
state of the cable business and the continually tightening
1:54:10
budgets and cutting not adding channels, it's also the demo. It
1:54:15
continues to be an aging demo that sounds like a death knell
1:54:20
John C Dvorak: when a cable is yeah for the cable business,
1:54:23
when
1:54:23
Adam Curry: the cable business won't even take a channel that
1:54:25
has Rogan and Megan Kelly and code Bongino and anybody else,
1:54:29
we could get sucker into it, the Jimmy door. Shoot, man, we'll
1:54:34
get, we'll get to a chunk, damn
1:54:40
John C Dvorak: chunks already on cable. Hello. He doesn't need
1:54:43
us. So, in fact, why is chunk on cable? Yeah, well,
1:54:48
Adam Curry: aging demographic, there you go. That's what it is.
1:54:52
And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage say in the
1:54:55
morning to you, the man who put 2c into fact checks 3c say hello
1:54:59
to. Friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. John,
1:55:08
John C Dvorak: well in the morning, Sam Craig is ships deep
1:55:10
on the graph. In the intercept, a lot of the Dames and knights
1:55:13
out there,
1:55:13
Adam Curry: all right, cotton gin is on the ball. Let me count
1:55:15
you troubles. Here we go. 2223 at the peak, trolls in the troll
1:55:24
room. People wanted to hear something. Yeah, it's because of
1:55:28
the debate. Yeah. Well, no, it's because we're the hyperscalers.
1:55:31
That's my new word of the day. Hyperscalers.
1:55:34
John C Dvorak: Whatever that means. Well, don't
1:55:35
Adam Curry: hear it all day on CNBC. But is it? I don't know. I
1:55:40
think it's the it's, why would we be it? Well, well, we're just
1:55:44
as vapid as chat. Ai, open AI, that's, that's what they're
1:55:48
talking about, rapid at all the hyperscalers, I think they mean
1:55:54
people who need to use a lot of compute. If you use a lot of
1:55:59
compute, you're a hyperscaler. I don't know. We should get a
1:56:02
definition. I just wrote it down.
1:56:04
John C Dvorak: It'll come up on Dvorak Horowitz. Well,
1:56:06
Adam Curry: you should talk to Horowitz about the about the
1:56:08
hyperscaler. By the way, I liked your ETF episode. That was good.
1:56:13
John C Dvorak: Ah, we're gonna do a short seller. One next.
1:56:16
Yes, Dvorak.
1:56:18
Adam Curry: DH, unplugged. DH, unplug.com, come ahead live on
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Tuesdays comes I didn't. I rarely just do it live, but
1:56:24
listen to it on Wednesdays. It's a very entertaining overview of
1:56:28
the markets, and it's an unrehearsed conversation, which
1:56:30
we join already in progress. It's a pretty much it's a good
1:56:35
show. It's a good show.
1:56:37
John C Dvorak: Those we thank you for that plug, because we
1:56:40
plug no agenda constantly. I know, I know it's a deserved
1:56:43
plug. While we're at it's called log rolling.
1:56:47
Adam Curry: We call it a pod roll. Sorry, we, we
1:56:50
John C Dvorak: pod roll, log roll. Hey, those trolls did we
1:56:55
wishes, by the way, surprises me to this day that Joe Rogan's not
1:56:58
more into that,
1:57:00
Adam Curry: into pod rolling, or blog rolling, pod rolling, yeah,
1:57:04
what do you mean?
1:57:05
Unknown: He doesn't like
1:57:07
John C Dvorak: let guys plug stuff enough
1:57:10
Adam Curry: well, he plugged me again just the other day.
1:57:13
John C Dvorak: He mentioned your name.
1:57:16
Adam Curry: He said, Well, he said, My said, my friend Adam
1:57:19
curry. You know who that is. You know the guy who started
1:57:21
podcasting. He always says that,
1:57:23
John C Dvorak: yeah, what good does that do to no agenda show
1:57:26
people
1:57:27
Adam Curry: go looking Adam curry, guy who started
1:57:29
podcasting, nobody for anything. Jamie, look that up. All right.
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You see some of your shows going away because they're not joyous
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enough. Oh, someone sent me this. We've been talking about
1:58:03
joy and the joy brigade. No, the what was it? What's, what's the
1:58:09
Nazi slogan that that everyone was memeing about, yes, it's
1:58:15
like strength through joy. Strength through joy. Yes,
1:58:18
witness Hogan's Heroes.
1:58:20
Unknown: That's something to go on. Arrange a little party.
1:58:23
That is exactly what I was thinking. Her general
1:58:27
good food and enough wine to make him talkative and perhaps
1:58:30
even some charming feminine company.
1:58:33
That is an excellent idea, by the way, I have this young lady
1:58:37
friend, Gretchen. I met her at the strength through joy picnic.
1:58:40
Please
1:58:41
spare me the details. Just arrange the party.
1:58:46
Adam Curry: How about that? Hogan's Heroes, good reference.
1:58:49
I was surprised by that
1:58:52
John C Dvorak: strength through joy party,
1:58:53
Adam Curry: that's right, yeah, the strength through joy party,
1:58:56
Democrats. Sorry, exactly. Sorry. Democrat party, but you
1:59:01
guys are fact and you guys are evil right now. You guys are the
1:59:05
way it goes. Yeah, that happens. Modern podcast app will alert
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you when this show goes live and many other shows go live, it'll
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give you an actual in app alert. It doesn't turn on a microphone
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to listen to. You know, it's helpful. It's AI. It's AI does
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this, and it tells you it's time to listen to the show.
1:59:25
John C Dvorak: I thought you sent out an alert. Are you? Ai?
1:59:29
Adam, intelligence,
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Adam Curry: hello. Thank you. Thank you. And of course, it's
1:59:34
the same app you can use to to listen to all of your podcasts.
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Has many other features, including the chapters, which
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exciting celebration, I guess. Are we celebrating? Yep, do you
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Dutch masters. So there's quite the lineage, and as was proven,
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once again, by a Dutch master comic strip blogger for Episode
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1693 produced that one for you in Mexico while I was
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vacationing, and we titled The show Freedom Force. And even we
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could not resist this piece of art, which was but we could
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resist it, but we didn't. It was hard. It was hard. It was just
2:01:29
so funny. It violated a rule. It violated a whole bunch of two
2:01:33
rules,
2:01:33
John C Dvorak: actually, three, maybe
2:01:34
Adam Curry: AI being one, it being a person that was two. And
2:01:40
comic strip blogger was that the third
2:01:42
John C Dvorak: one and the same person we used in the previous
2:01:44
show? Oh, we
2:01:46
Adam Curry: violated many, many, many, well, no, but we've, we've
2:01:49
done the same person. Oh, you mean the same person subject in
2:01:53
the artwork,
2:01:54
John C Dvorak: yeah, two shows in a row, very it's never
2:01:57
happened before. And
2:01:58
Adam Curry: the fact that it was just AI, which is just kind of
2:02:01
mind boggling. But we had complained the comic strip
2:02:05
blogger had not done a good job with this prompt jockeying, of
2:02:08
putting lettering onto clothing, etc,
2:02:13
John C Dvorak: because he tried a couple times he wasn't surface
2:02:15
mapping properly. No
2:02:16
Adam Curry: good surface mapping. So now he did a version
2:02:22
of Tim pool, the pool man with his beanie, only the beanie was
2:02:27
worn by Vladimir Putin, who had his headset on and he had his
2:02:30
microphone and a put casting on the front. We just, we laughed
2:02:35
too much. I think that's why we chose this. Like, what else can
2:02:39
we do? It's just that funny. And people loved it. They really
2:02:43
did. And people just went like, this is so good.
2:02:49
John C Dvorak: It was the bet. It was the it was nothing really
2:02:52
to compete with.
2:02:53
Adam Curry: No, well, let me take a look and see what we had.
2:02:55
I did,
2:02:56
John C Dvorak: like Fred the mouse the rat. Like roundabouts
2:03:00
a lot. Yeah, I
2:03:02
Adam Curry: got some feedback on the round. Did you get any
2:03:04
pushback on the roundabouts? No, oh, lot of people weighed in.
2:03:09
Would they say? Here's an example, Idaho. I moved to Nam
2:03:13
Nampa, Idaho in 2015 traffic was horrible on the back roads. I
2:03:16
had to sit in traffic every day. Over the past few years, they've
2:03:19
been pulling four way stops and replacing them with roundabouts,
2:03:21
and they're amazing. Traffic is so much better. I hate
2:03:24
government. I'm an anarchist. I think governments are organized
2:03:27
criminal gangs. But that said, Idaho has been very good at
2:03:30
maintaining our roads, and they got rid of smog, and I don't
2:03:33
think they're doing it for climate change here. Roundabouts
2:03:35
rule, but
2:03:37
John C Dvorak: we, I did get a note from one of our guys who
2:03:39
once lived in Berkeley, and he brought up, and I sent this to
2:03:42
you, have it too? Yeah, where he said, We're we'd use the wrong
2:03:46
definition for roundabouts, the ones in Berkeley. Oh, and
2:03:50
because it was supposed to save, you know, climate change stuff.
2:03:53
And it's true what he said, in Berkeley, there's a roundabout,
2:03:57
but there's a four way stop and a roundabout. This is Berkeley
2:04:01
for you. So you have to stop, and then you go into the
2:04:04
roundabout to make the and it was to prevent people from
2:04:07
getting into wrecks on left turns, which on a four way stop
2:04:11
is, I've never seen one. Well, I've been driving for 50 years,
2:04:16
and I have never seen a wreck at a four way stop because somebody
2:04:21
made a left turn. So, but, okay, they put the roundabouts in
2:04:24
anyway. I but it's not a true roundabout, as far as he's
2:04:27
concerned. No, a true roundabouts, like the ones you
2:04:29
run into in England or France, where it's like you're you come
2:04:32
up on the thing you got to yield is angled so you go on to the
2:04:36
roundabout. And if you're in France, I should mention the
2:04:39
rule is very they have a right of way rule. So if somebody's
2:04:43
coming onto the roundabout on the right, they have the right
2:04:46
of
2:04:46
Adam Curry: way, yeah, which is not typical for most
2:04:49
roundabouts. No,
2:04:50
John C Dvorak: it's not typical. Typically the roundabout, if
2:04:52
you're on the roundabout, you have the right away, yeah. And
2:04:56
in France, no, I always enjoy.
2:05:00
Adam Curry: The roundabouts in Europe. I thought they were I
2:05:03
thought they were convenient. I liked him. We have
2:05:06
John C Dvorak: a true roundabout at the top of the foot of, at
2:05:09
the top of Marin Avenue, there's a roundabout that goes off to
2:05:13
1234, I think it's four or five exits. So you can go right all
2:05:18
kinds of different directions. And 12345, it's probably five.
2:05:24
And you and it's a real roundabout, you go, there's no
2:05:27
stopping. And I find them to be annoying because, and I'll tell
2:05:31
you why. Maybe in Europe, joke because people are used to
2:05:34
nobody knows what they're doing. In the United States, on a
2:05:37
roundabout, I remember stop while they're in the roundabout.
2:05:43
Yeah, that's no good.
2:05:45
Adam Curry: That's wrong. That's wrong. They're doing it wrong. I
2:05:49
do remember, um, moving to the UK and the roundabouts, and it
2:05:54
happened probably three times that I would enter the
2:05:57
roundabout going the wrong way. Oh, that's terrible. And they'd
2:06:03
always have the Brits like and like, and they'd hold up their
2:06:06
hands, like, foreigner like, Yeah, I'm sorry, you know, and
2:06:11
try doing a three point turn on a roundabout. It's a bad
2:06:15
situation. But otherwise, I think roundabouts pretty good.
2:06:20
I'm sure you would rather have the potholes fixed than
2:06:22
roundabouts. I'd
2:06:23
John C Dvorak: rather have potholes fixed and more lanes on
2:06:27
the freeway than roundabouts.
2:06:31
Adam Curry: So we had Fred the rat. See, there was, What else
2:06:35
was there? Some Mexico stuff, 47 with a sledgehammer, the camel,
2:06:44
lipstick, coffee cup. Yeah, there really wasn't much else
2:06:50
was there?
2:06:51
John C Dvorak: Well, today, there's quite a bit. I
2:06:53
Adam Curry: see a lot has come in. Yeah,
2:06:56
John C Dvorak: a lot of it is hilarious. So it's going to be
2:06:58
tough. Okay,
2:06:59
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like to be knighted Sir Douglas of the Bahamas at the round
2:10:32
table. I'd love to see some prayer, Pirate Republic, beer.
2:10:36
No, I have a request. First is something you can read to the
2:10:40
listeners to activate your no agenda intelligence network.
2:10:43
Adam, you and I have discussed this a little over email. In the
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olden days, I used to listen to Adam's daily source code. That
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is olden days. I think I may have gotten to that. I think I
2:10:55
may have gotten to that. My a guest appearance. I can't read
2:11:00
what he said on on Adams, on the Gilmore gang. I think of this as
2:11:05
the original Joe Rogan appearance. That was a wonky
2:11:09
gang, but a fun listen.
2:11:11
Adam Curry: I don't know what. Well, you remember the Gilmore
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gang, don't you? Steve Gilmore? Yeah, and those guys
2:11:18
John C Dvorak: during one episode, maybe 10, four, 2006
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but no later than 322, 2007 the must. Poked and prodded. Jason
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Calacanis was the guest. J, Cal, J, Cal. He ended the show, yes,
2:11:35
yeah. He ended the show with a fantastically funny riff where
2:11:39
he pretended to be Adam. Yeah, he does voices. He does, uh,
2:11:46
stoned in the audio a six studio parked on the streets of
2:11:50
Amsterdam. It was really good and not mean spirited. No, it
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was mean spirited. Jason's voices are all mean spirited.
2:12:00
Don't kid yourself. The Golden clip is not easy to find, I
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guess not. I know there were interpersonal issues among some
2:12:09
of you early podcasts, but that may have made some of this
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material vanish. Not sure what he's talking about. Well, I
2:12:16
guess what he says around,
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Adam Curry: let me, let me just say something. Jason Calacanis
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and I have known each other for a long time. You've known him
2:12:25
for a long time. We poke fun at each other. He's great. He just
2:12:28
moved to Texas. I'm gonna go shooting on his property pretty
2:12:31
soon. Oh, are
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John C Dvorak: you now? Of course you can have this gun.
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Would you like to shoot? I also bought a Mac can.
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Adam Curry: He also listens to the show, by the way, yeah,
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okay,
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John C Dvorak: sure he does. He does.
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Adam Curry: He sends me notes all the time, any, any,
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especially the logical impregnations that you do.
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Unknown: Sure he does. He
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Adam Curry: does. He does. He's a listener, all right. Jason,
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sending a donation just to prove that you're listening. You
2:13:01
watch. There you
2:13:02
Unknown: go. Now
2:13:04
John C Dvorak: will be the day now. Anyway, he goes on and
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says, This golden clip is not easy to find. I know there were
2:13:14
interpersonal issues among some of you early podcasters that may
2:13:17
have made some of this material vanish. No, no. But if someone
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smarter than me could dig it up, I would be great listen for the
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no agenda. Audience, thanks, gents, yeah,
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Adam Curry: I'd love to hear that too. Those are good days. I
2:13:28
would too, because it was true. I was smoking weed in my Audi,
2:13:32
which I used at a studio, and doing podcasts. Good times.
2:13:36
Thank you. Doug, uh, sir. Mr. Bob dabulina checks in from
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Franklin, Tennessee. $500 sir, Mr. Bob dabulina here. Only
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seven donors. Bob dobb is here for you. Your show is too good.
2:13:49
We've got a support to keep you all going. Please put some
2:13:51
voodoo on Kamala tax plan. Hashtag. Save cap gains. Take me
2:13:56
out with a dablina hook if you got it. First of all, don't be
2:14:00
confused about this. I guess what he's talking about is the
2:14:04
Kamala saying I'm going to tax unrealized gains. That's not