0:00
John C Dvorak: It's over the
hill. Adam curry. John C Dvorak,
0:03
Adam Curry: Sunday, September 29
2024 this is your award winning
0:06
gibo nation. Media
assassination, Episode 1699,
0:10
Unknown: this is no agenda,
0:13
Adam Curry: celebrating climate
week and broadcasting live from
0:17
the heart of the Texas new
country, right here in FEMA
0:19
Region. Number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
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curry
0:23
John C Dvorak: for Northern
Silicon Valley, where we're all
0:25
saying, stop advertising and
promoting gambling to the
0:29
American public. I'm John C
Dvorak. It's Craig
0:33
Unknown: Vaughn and buzzkill in
the morning,
0:36
Adam Curry: I hear it's very bad
for people.
0:39
Unknown: Yeah, I've heard that
too.
0:42
Adam Curry: It's like, it gets
people all addicted, and then
0:45
they lose all their money. Yeah,
0:48
John C Dvorak: yeah. But Mimi
used to. Mimi used to when she
0:51
was younger. Was a kid, high
school, I guess she used to live
0:55
in Reno. Oh, boy, she's and she
says she shot
0:59
Adam Curry: a man in Reno just
to watch him die, didn't she?
1:02
She
1:02
John C Dvorak: remembers these
new kids that would come into
1:06
the high school, yeah. And then
they within six months, the one
1:13
or two of the parents had a gap
immediately, gambling habit,
1:17
sure. And they had to leave the
city, had to move back to
1:20
California, Iowa, or wherever
they came from, because they
1:23
were, they just went broke. But
people are so pathetic. She lost
1:28
a lot of friends. They have some
friends. And the next thing you
1:30
know, they had to move out of
the state because they couldn't
1:32
maintain a, you know, a normal
life.
1:35
Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad that
you're sharing this with us, so
1:38
everybody can check themselves,
check yourself, people.
1:41
John C Dvorak: Well, I got, got
why I said this is because I'm
1:44
watching the football stuff
today, you know, in the morning,
1:47
before the game started, and
they have all these different
1:50
analysts Come on, and they're
all recommending various bets.
1:54
This is on the sports shows,
1:56
Adam Curry: just doing it in the
in the content of the show
1:59
itself. Now,
2:00
John C Dvorak: yes, it's gone
that bad. They have DraftKings
2:02
and all these couple, two,
three, these gambling
2:04
operations. And they're, it's
not even legal in California,
2:07
but still, really. And they're,
they're just promoting bets.
2:10
They're promoting people to
throw money away. Do
2:13
Adam Curry: they have prop bets?
My favorite prop bet? Yes. Prop
2:15
bets, mostly prop, almost
2:17
John C Dvorak: everything's a
prop bet.
2:19
Adam Curry: Hey, are they coming
to take you away. What's with
2:21
all the sirens?
2:22
John C Dvorak: I don't know. You
know, this has been, it's been
2:24
like living in New York.
2:27
Adam Curry: It's because Kamala
was in town.
2:30
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
it is, but there's a lot of
2:32
Sirens of late. Yeah,
2:34
Adam Curry: you know, Kamala was
in town, and it was, it was, it
2:36
was quite the spectacle.
2:39
John C Dvorak: Yes, I saw that.
I maybe have some clips I do. I
2:42
saw I saw the news coverage.
It's pathetic.
2:45
Unknown: Vice President Kamala
Harris is here, but her trip
2:48
tonight into San Francisco might
have had an obstacle or two. Our
2:52
crews spotted a way low vehicle
that had to be driven away from
2:56
the motorcade route by police.
Vice President Kamala Harris
2:59
makes what could be her final
visit to California before the
3:03
election. A little after 830
Friday evening, the VP touched
3:07
down at SFO as her motorcade
arrived at the Fairmont San
3:10
Francisco an autonomous Waymo
got stuck making a turn. The San
3:15
Francisco police officer had to
manually drive the vehicle out
3:19
of the way.
3:21
Adam Curry: That's great some
way. Mo advertisement there.
3:25
That's good, that's good, yeah,
and I guess she went to the
3:28
border. Was that the California,
Mexico border that she went to?
3:33
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
thought it was Arizona. Oh,
3:36
Adam Curry: I just presumed that
it was California. That was
3:40
John C Dvorak: yesterday, I
think, and it was like it was a
3:42
nothing burger, kind
3:44
Adam Curry: of you said nothing
burger? No, I
3:46
John C Dvorak: did. I appreciate
it on purpose. And so she goes
3:51
there, and then she starts
blaming Trump for all the border
3:55
issues.
3:57
Adam Curry: Yes, this is, well,
she I have this short clip where
4:03
this is just one of those
unbelievable things that she
4:06
says is great. Earlier
4:07
Unknown: in the day, Harris made
her first trip to the border in
4:10
Arizona in years. Harris
expressed a tougher stance on
4:14
illegal immigration. She spoke
with local Border Patrol Leaders
4:18
as they walked along the wall.
There are consequential
4:21
issues at stake in this
election, and one is the
4:25
security of our border. The
United States is a sovereign
4:29
nation, and I believe we have a
duty to set rules at our border
4:35
and to enforce them.
4:38
John C Dvorak: Wow. Okay, you
know, the funny thing about that
4:41
I didn't get that I saw that
clip. I should have grabbed it.
4:44
I'm glad you did, because I'm
giving you a clip of the day,
4:46
because that is unbelievable.
Oh, thank you
4:50
Adam Curry: very much. Well,
Bob, I have clips I think, and
4:54
I'll do it.
4:55
John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
Well, I mean, this morning, not
4:58
to the height of hypocrisy.
5:00
Adam Curry: Oh no, no, no, not.
And by the way, for people who
5:03
tune in like, Hey, I listen to
that no agenda show, sounds like
5:06
they got an agenda. Yes, we're
against idiots. We're against
5:13
liars, liars and idiots. Which
former President Trump takes it
5:18
to the next level. This is the
clip that was being played all
5:20
morning on the M 5m Joe
5:22
Unknown: Biden became mentally
impaired. Kamala was born that
5:26
way.
5:31
Adam Curry: So of course, none
of them played it in context,
5:34
which we will do now we will do
yes, of course, borders
5:37
Unknown: are Harris went to the
border to lie in the most
5:40
shameless and horrible way
possible. At the very site where
5:46
she released so much suffering,
misery and death, there's no
5:51
greater act of disloyalty than
to extinguish the sovereignty of
5:55
your own nation, right through
your border, no matter what lie
6:01
she tells, Kamala Harris can
never be forgiven for her
6:05
erasing our border, and she must
never be allowed to become
6:10
President of the United States.
She must never be allowed that's
6:15
over 647,572 migrant criminals
who Kamala set loose to rape,
6:23
pillage, thieve, plunder, and
kill the people of the United
6:30
States of America, and they're
not going to change. They're
6:32
only going to get worse. They're
only going to get worse. And our
6:35
law enforcement system, we have
the greatest in the world, but
6:39
our people are told not to do
their jobs. We don't want you to
6:42
do anything. And they come from
tough systems. They're going to
6:47
love our system. Kamala is
mentally impaired. Every
6:52
Republican did what she did,
7:02
every Republican did what she
did, that Republican would be
7:05
impeached and removed from
office, and rightfully so. Joe
7:10
Biden became mentally impaired.
Kamala was born that way. She
7:17
was born that way. I
7:28
and if you think about it, only
a mentally disabled person could
7:32
have allowed this to happen to
our country. Anybody would know
7:35
this?
7:35
Adam Curry: Yeah. So a little
more context.
7:39
John C Dvorak: It's a much
better clip in context. Oh,
7:41
Adam Curry: of course it is. It
also makes more sense. But
7:44
that's not what they do. That's
not what the media does. And by
7:46
the way, just because, you know,
there's always people who say,
7:49
Yo, Trump, he never lies, right?
He never lies.
7:53
John C Dvorak: You must have got
some nasty email this morning.
7:56
Adam Curry: That's just the
troll room. What are you talking
7:58
No, no, I
7:59
John C Dvorak: want to mention
something that, since you
8:01
brought that into that clip,
which is the number of, you
8:05
know, the, I guess somebody in
ice decided to release the
8:08
numbers, yeah, of number of
known criminals that have been
8:14
released into the country, the
hundreds of 1000s, basically.
8:19
And so this morning, I'm you
know, because this is based on a
8:21
note somebody sent me early this
morning, actually, about how
8:26
Margaret Hoover is actually kind
of a, not really a conservative,
8:30
and she's interviewing Hillary
in a new, oh
8:32
Adam Curry: yeah, I haven't seen
it yet, in the frontline,
8:34
frontline interview
8:37
John C Dvorak: firing line. She
8:38
Adam Curry: needs to lay off the
lip gloss.
8:42
John C Dvorak: Well, Hoover has
always been kind of a bogus,
8:45
conservative. She's an old, some
old school style. I'm
8:49
Adam Curry: just saying just as
a as a production, television
8:52
production. Tip back off, on the
lip gloss, Hoover, it looks
8:55
creepy. Well,
8:57
John C Dvorak: she's creepy,
yeah, so maybe you're
8:59
projecting. Okay, okay, creepy,
yes, and pretty, but creepy. The
9:06
other one in this category, and
I should mention, because it's a
9:09
pet peeve of mine, is Shannon
Bream, yes, who always thought
9:12
it was the one of the prettiest
girls on Fox ever, and but she's
9:16
exactly and once she gets off of
Fox, I'm telling you, she's
9:20
going to turn into another
Margaret Hoover, because I was
9:23
watching today, she was
interviewing a senator from
9:25
Georgia, and they brought up
this issue of all these, these
9:29
criminals that were released
into the country and out of the
9:31
blue. And I didn't get a clip
because it was still done,
9:35
finished, but she did say the
she said, Oh, well, you that
9:39
doesn't take into account all of
those that have been
9:41
incarcerated, just just what?
Just just this comment, huh. And
9:47
it was like, why you even? What
does that get to do with
9:50
anything? And she's and bream
was the one, it
9:54
Adam Curry: was on now, one we
call the bream Queen bream
9:58
John C Dvorak: was on Gutfeld.
And. They were talking about
10:02
lawfare and how these five cases
against Trump all kind of
10:06
happened at the same time with
all a bunch of people that quit
10:09
the Justice Department and gone
to these different areas to all
10:13
do this all at once, indictments
of Trump and bremo. No, no,
10:19
there's no way that's a coin.
That's just a coincidence.
10:24
Adam Curry: Really, what is she
doing?
10:26
John C Dvorak: She is a she is
an Ajahn provocateur. She should
10:29
not be out at Fox at all, but
she's got this, you know, nice
10:33
smile and you're making like a
fox girl. That's
10:36
Adam Curry: why she's at Fox. We
know Fox is no good. It's no
10:39
better than the rest.
10:42
John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, I know.
I'm just trying to, I I'm
10:45
normalizing the concept that
she's, you know, that, yeah, I
10:49
agree at at a base levels, that
sucks. Is no good. But anyway, I
10:55
just that was a pet peeve of
mine. I got, got out of this,
10:58
out of the system.
10:59
Adam Curry: And unfortunately,
when, when Trump went through
11:01
that list, he said he forgot to
say, they rob you forgot, and
11:04
they forgot. They're eating the
dogs. He should just throw that
11:07
in from time to time. I miss
that.
11:10
John C Dvorak: Have you seen the
tick tocks of all these girls
11:12
dancing to a to a mix of he's
they're eating the dogs. They're
11:16
eating the cats.
11:16
Adam Curry: I've, I've seen
different mixes of their eating
11:18
the cats eating dogs, but
haven't seen the girls dancing
11:21
to it, because, John, that's
11:23
John C Dvorak: your Tiktok
dipshit dancers.
11:27
Adam Curry: Is that like the
solid gold dancers? The Tiktok
11:29
dipshit dancers? Yeah, exactly.
It's
11:32
John C Dvorak: a new version.
11:33
Adam Curry: So right on cue with
this news that there's over
11:36
600,000 criminals Aurora
Colorado, I guess they put out a
11:42
press release, and I I guess
they haven't, or from what I
11:46
understand, they have a new
police guy. Like, did they throw
11:49
out the old guy? And we missed
that, because I think in this
11:52
report, it says there's a new
police chief.
11:54
John C Dvorak: I didn't hear
this either. Oh, well,
11:56
Adam Curry: this so listen to
how they downplay the apartment
12:00
complex issue. Good
12:02
Unknown: evening and thank you
for joining us for Denver Seven
12:04
News at Five on this Friday. I'm
12:05
Jessica Porter
12:06
and I'm Jason grenauer. First,
Aurora officials are threatening
12:09
to close two apartment complexes
over safety concerns they say
12:13
include an uptick in crime and
deterioration.
12:17
Denver seven's Veronica Costa
got the internal communications
12:20
where officials recommend the
management company
12:23
Adam Curry: notice they got
addresses internal
12:25
communications. Yeah, that's a
leak internal
12:29
Unknown: communications where
officials recommend the
12:31
management company addresses the
quote, criminal nuisance or face
12:35
the
12:35
Adam Curry: consequences. It's
criminal nuisance. See, it's in
12:38
our internal communications.
It's not TDA, it's no gang. It's
12:43
just criminal nuisance. Two
apartment
12:45
Unknown: complexes in Aurora
with dozens of people living in
12:47
them could suffer the same fate
as the apartments on 1568 gnome
12:51
Street, which was shut down
weeks ago. The Edge of Lowry and
12:56
200 Columbia apartment complexes
are the target of two letters
12:59
signed by aurora's new chief of
police, Todd Chamberlain,
13:03
deeming them quote criminal
nuisance properties in violation
13:06
of Aurora city code. The letters
sent last Friday point to an
13:09
uptick in violent crime in the
physical condition of the
13:12
properties as public safety
concerns saying they could close
13:16
as soon as september 30, if
conditions continue,
13:20
John C Dvorak: it's a nuisance.
It's just a criminal the way
13:22
they downplay it. That was
actually quite good. Well,
13:25
that's
13:25
Adam Curry: what you do with it.
When an internal communication
13:28
suddenly winds up at the six
o'clock local news on Denver
13:32
seven. I mean, yeah, of course,
a criminal nuisance, the real
13:37
nuisance, which I'm so happy I
got a clip of this, because I've
13:40
only been hearing about it and
and been seeing the the
13:44
headlines. And this is about the
looming strike, which would kick
13:48
off on Tuesday of the long the
long wish of the Longshoremen.
13:54
Oh, that one, that's a bad one.
And yes, it is quite bad. And I
13:58
found on the What's up with
shipping podcasts, which, of
14:04
course, I subscribe to my modern
podcast, kudos, yes, what's up
14:10
with the guy's actually good.
There's a couple of these.
14:12
There's an ag show like, you
know, what's up with agriculture
14:16
this week? This is where you get
some some decent news. And the
14:23
what's up with shipping podcast?
They didn't have the guy on, but
14:27
they had an interview with the
union president the East Gulf
14:32
Coast longshoreman union. And so
two clips. The first one is a
14:37
little. The second one's short.
The union president explains,
14:42
first of all, why they want
they're going on strike, and
14:46
seems like it's still
unresolved. At this hour, it's
14:49
still unresolved. So anything
could change and what that will
14:53
mean.
14:54
Unknown: But today's world, it's
changing into the future.
14:58
They're not making millions. No
more. They're making billions,
15:02
and they're spending it fast as
they make it. I want a piece of
15:06
that for my men, because when
they made their most money was
15:09
during covid, when my men had to
go to work on those piers every
15:14
single day, when everybody
stayed home and went to work.
15:18
Not my men. They died out there
with the virus. We all got sick
15:22
with the virus. We kept them
going from Canada to Maine and
15:27
Texas, Great Lakes, Puerto Rico,
now the Bahamas, everybody went
15:31
to work during covid. Nobody
stayed home. Well, I want to be
15:36
compensated for that. I'm not
asking for the world. They know
15:40
what I want. They know what they
want, and if they don't, no,
15:44
then I have to go into the
street, and we have to fight for
15:47
what we rightfully deserve.
These people today don't know
15:51
what a Shrike is, right? When my
men hit the streets from Maine
15:56
to Texas, every single port are
locked down. You know what's
16:01
going to happen. I'll tell you.
16:04
First week, be all over the news
every night. Boom, boom. Second
16:09
week,
16:11
guys who sell cars can't sell
cars because the cars ain't
16:14
coming in off the ships. They
get laid off. Third week, malls
16:20
are closing down. They can't get
the goods from China. They can't
16:24
sell clothes. They can't do
this. Everything in the United
16:27
States comes on a ship.
16:29
Adam Curry: Yeah, but wait,
there's more and a threat at the
16:32
end,
16:33
Unknown: they go out of
business. Construction workers
16:36
get laid off because the
materials aren't coming in, the
16:40
steel is not coming in, the
lumber is not coming in. They
16:44
lose their job. Everybody,
16:46
Adam Curry: by the way, does
this guy sound like George
16:48
Carlin? Or what?
16:51
John C Dvorak: You know, he has
a George I was wondering what he
16:53
sounded like, and I didn't catch
that, that angle of it. Yes,
16:58
Unknown: the steel is not going
Yeah, coming in, the lumber is
17:01
not coming in. They lose their
job. Everybody's hating the
17:05
longshoreman now, because now
they realize how important our
17:10
jobs are. Now I have the
president screaming at me, I'm
17:13
putting a TAF Harley on you. Go
ahead. Taft Harley means I have
17:17
to go back to work for 90 days
after cooling off period. Do you
17:22
think when I go back to 90 days
Those men are going to go to
17:24
work on that pier? It's going to
cost the money the company's
17:27
money to pay their salaries?
Well, they got one from 30 moves
17:31
an hour, maybe to eight. They're
going to be like this. Who's
17:35
going to win here in the long
run? You're better off sitting
17:38
down and let's get a contract,
and let's move on with this
17:41
world and today's world, I'll
cripple you. I will cripple you.
17:46
And you have no idea what that
means,
17:49
Adam Curry: I will cripple you.
Well,
17:52
John C Dvorak: there's a couple
of interesting aspects of this.
17:54
One is that the longshores did
an agreement on the West Coast,
17:58
and he doesn't mention that. But
no, he does not. He does not. He
18:01
does. He talks about Texas, the
Maine, he doesn't talk about the
18:04
West Coast. And so I'm just just
stay if, if people are looking
18:09
for investment opportunities,
18:11
Adam Curry: not investment
advice, I know
18:15
John C Dvorak: just
opportunities. I don't, and I
18:16
don't know what they would be,
but if the if they shut down the
18:20
east coast. The West Coast will
be booming with activity. That
18:24
means Seattle, Portland,
Oakland, Long Beach, all up and
18:29
down the coast. The these ports
will be filled because everyone
18:33
has to be redirected so and so.
That means the rail out here and
18:37
everything else is going to be
busier. It's going to be
18:39
ridiculous. The fact is, we're
going to be swamped. Well, you
18:42
Adam Curry: have those ships
sitting out at at sea again, of
18:45
course, because they won't be
able to handle that's
18:47
John C Dvorak: what will end up
happening. The whole Bay will be
18:49
filled with a bunch of boats,
and
18:51
Adam Curry: prices will have to
go up because of that. Also just
18:54
the now
18:57
John C Dvorak: nightmarish at
this at one hand, on the other
18:59
hand, it's going to be a boom,
at least locally, on, you know,
19:03
the West Coast. Well, bully for
you. Well, I'm, I'm not looking
19:07
forward to it. The traffic's bad
enough. Yeah, no kidding,
19:11
because that means the trucks
will be loading and, you know,
19:15
me, the place, just the freeways
will be filled with trucks
19:18
getting this stuff as far east
as it can, even though you once
19:22
it gets to Denver, it's going to
do. I mean, it's just not
19:26
possible to for the West Coast
to supply the entire country.
19:29
It's not possible. And the
19:30
Adam Curry: good news is
Washington, DC will be affected
19:33
by this, so that will, that will
get their attention. Now. Taft
19:36
Hartley, Taft Hartley, I think,
is what it is that's a provision
19:40
that the the president can call
call upon to force the union, I
19:45
John C Dvorak: have to review
that again. I forgot what, how
19:48
they could.
19:48
Adam Curry: Well, he made it
sound like, okay, that means we
19:50
have to go back to work for
9090, days, and we'll be
19:53
working. Yeah,
19:56
John C Dvorak: unions call it,
but this,
19:58
Adam Curry: and he makes an
incredible. Valid point, like,
20:01
oh, we had to work. We were
essential workers during Covic.
20:05
As he said, Covic, you mean
covid? This guy was authentic,
20:10
man. He's got tats. He's, you
know, he's got the big chain
20:15
Sherman, their bicycle chain
around his neck. Yeah, they're
20:17
not good on him. We need a
little bit of crippling here.
20:22
Wake people? Well, no, we
20:23
John C Dvorak: don't wake people
up.
20:25
Adam Curry: Get them, get them.
Get them. Get them. He's
20:28
John C Dvorak: right. He did say
one thing in there that I
20:30
thought was very noteworthy,
which was, nobody knows what a
20:35
real strike is like in our
current in our current
20:38
environment. The millennials
don't know what it's like. The
20:41
disease. Don't know what it's
like. Most of the you know, the
20:44
the Gen X Don't, don't, have
never experienced a real strike.
20:49
And now whether there's going to
be one or not, is another issue.
20:53
Well, they
20:53
Unknown: got it two days. Yeah,
we'll see.
20:56
Adam Curry: Yeah. I don't know
exactly what
20:58
John C Dvorak: the real strikes,
a real strike, a real bad thing.
21:02
Adam Curry: Yeah, what happened
to Boeing? Did that get resolved
21:05
after their final and best
price?
21:07
John C Dvorak: I have no idea
what's going on there. I didn't,
21:10
well, I didn't follow it close
enough. So I don't know what's
21:13
going on, but it's nothing like
what this. This is a big deal.
21:16
The Boeing thing is a, you know,
just the one company. No
21:19
Adam Curry: talks broke off
without progress. So no, yeah,
21:24
so
21:24
John C Dvorak: they can stagger
along. That's not going to
21:26
affect the economy much.
21:28
Adam Curry: Well, it's probably
good because, well, you heard
21:31
the latest about Boeing.
21:33
Unknown: No this morning,
another black eye for Boeing.
21:36
Black Eye for Boeing, the NTSB
issuing an urgent safety warning
21:40
over a key part in some of its
embattled 737 Max jets, just the
21:45
latest blow to one of the
world's biggest aviation
21:48
companies, which has faced a
series of setbacks this year,
21:52
including an ongoing strike and
that door plug blowout in
21:55
January. The new issue regards
the rudder control system on
21:59
some 737 Max and ng aircraft
first discovered in February
22:05
when united pilots reported
rudder pedals on their max eight
22:09
became stuck in neutral. Let
22:11
me just tell you something.
22:14
Adam Curry: The rudder pedals
are pretty important for landing
22:17
in particular, also for
takeoffs. You know, in flight
22:22
also, but you really can't land
with a crosswind if you don't
22:26
have a rudder pedal. It's going
to be very difficult, as
22:29
Unknown: they landed at Newark
International in that incident,
22:31
the plane landed safely.
22:33
The rudder is that vertical fin
on the tail of the airplane that
22:37
pilots use sometimes, whenever
they need to counter a stiff
22:42
crosswind, or if there's an
engine failure. It's not used
22:45
all the time, but it's there for
a reason, and that's for
22:49
potential emergencies or
maneuvering ability.
22:53
Adam Curry: It's that's a little
disingenuous. You need the
22:56
rudder. It's just you need or
you can't. The flying the
22:59
aircraft without a rudder is no
good.
23:00
Unknown: NTSB investigators say
testing determined a sealed
23:04
bearing was incorrectly
assembled during production, and
23:08
that Collins aerospace, which
manufactures that part, notified
23:12
Boeing that more than 350 had
been delivered to Boeing Since
23:15
2017 and were affected. In a
statement, Boeing says last
23:19
month it informed affected 737,
operators, airlines, of the
23:24
potential problem, adding
they're working with a supplier
23:27
to address it. United Airlines
is the only US carrier that had
23:31
the component in its planes and
says they've already been
23:34
replaced. No
23:36
Adam Curry: so it's already
done. The no panic, just united.
23:43
They had dudes and dresses
replace the parts. It's all good
23:47
to fix it. They fixed it. It's
all good. Their CEO dude in a
23:52
dress. Come on. It's we wrapped
up climate week, and you and I
24:00
didn't even notice, yeah, we
kind of missed it. I'm sad.
24:04
There was so much else going on,
and NPR was all over it. They
24:08
had a climate solutions week. Is
what they had on the on the air.
24:13
John C Dvorak: I was listening
to it all along. I never heard
24:15
in
24:16
Adam Curry: here. Oh, well, it
was. It was mainly centered in
24:18
New York. Is where that was the
headquarters of climate week.
24:23
And just you know, NPR has big
problems with their podcast
24:27
division. It's essentially
closing.
24:31
John C Dvorak: But should they
got no good podcasting, and they
24:34
keep promoting them and ruining
the normal programming.
24:37
Adam Curry: Well, I got the
credits from the shortwave
24:40
episode. Is called shortwave,
which is the NPR podcast, and
24:44
then this is the Climate
Solutions edition of shortwave.
24:48
Maybe if we listen to the
credits, we can understand why
24:51
they're going out of business.
This
24:53
Unknown: episode was produced by
Hannah chin and edited by our
24:56
showrunner, Rebecca Ramirez
Tyler Jones. Checked the facts.
25:00
Yes, the audio engineer was
James Willetts. Beth Donovan is
25:03
our senior director, and Colin
Campbell is our senior vice
25:06
president of podcasting
strategy.
25:08
I'm Regina Barber, thanks for
listening to show wave.
25:11
Adam Curry: We need a vice
president of podcasting
25:14
strategies on this show, and a
showrunner. I want a showrunner,
25:19
a showrunner. Dana Brunetti
should be our show runner. He
25:24
would be good at being our show
25:25
John C Dvorak: he considered, he
probably considers that lousy
25:28
job. Oh, it's
25:29
Adam Curry: the well, he was a
show runner, right? Wasn't he
25:31
the showrunner
25:33
John C Dvorak: for a house of
cards? No, I
25:35
Adam Curry: think he was the
showrunner. I think he was,
25:37
yeah, it's a showrunner. Is
You're the boss. I mean, you're,
25:40
you're making it happen, and you
have to take the licking, and
25:43
you have to go show
25:44
John C Dvorak: runner for people
out there, they never give them
25:48
credit. The credit is on
according to they have to, you
25:52
know, there's all these rules
nowadays that the Producers
25:55
Guild and the directors go, they
have these rules about how you
25:58
show credits. You know, they say
used to be in the automation.
26:01
They show all the credits at the
beginning of a movie. Now
26:03
they're at the end. The trick to
finding the show runner of a
26:07
show is the last executive
producer listed before the
26:14
writer, right? So they have
executive producer, producer
26:20
cobras, blah, blah, blah, all
these. Then there's executive
26:23
producer, and then writer, the
one with the guy who comes up
26:27
before writer is the currently
the executive, or is the
26:30
showrunner for the show, which
is, I don't know why, they just
26:34
don't call him a showrunner, but
they won't do it on credits
26:38
Adam Curry: because it sounds
demeaning, which
26:40
John C Dvorak: it does sound. It
sounds pretty lame. That's
26:43
Adam Curry: the job. We have to
bend over for the network.
26:45
John C Dvorak: They really
should be called boss,
26:48
Adam Curry: and they have to go
back to the productions guys,
26:50
the network doesn't like it.
Darren O'Neill says he'll be our
26:55
showrunner, which is fine by me.
He is already. He's right. Rock
27:00
and roll show runner. Um,
anyway, but do you want to do a
27:05
little bit of fun climate stuff?
Just for
27:09
John C Dvorak: for young I only
have the eating bugs part of the
27:11
whole thing. If you want to do
climate stuff, I don't really
27:14
have anything on climate. What
27:15
Adam Curry: is, what is the
eating bug stuff? Well, there's
27:18
John C Dvorak: a podcast, yeah,
another
27:21
Adam Curry: podcast today's
podcast you
27:24
Unknown: don't do.
27:28
John C Dvorak: And this is
called the can I bug you?
27:32
Podcast, are they and like all,
are they pro bug? They're pro
27:38
eating bugs. And this is like a
podcast about eating bugs, and
27:43
so they and it's one of the
problem. You know, I most
27:47
podcasts are not very good. No,
I don't know if people have
27:51
noticed, but they're lame.
People don't really feel
27:54
comfortable talking into a mic.
It's just a million things. It's
27:57
just the timing is bad. They
they don't get then they added
28:01
it to make it worse, you can't
edit to make timing work, that's
28:05
for sure. I'm
28:06
Adam Curry: gonna take out all
of the pauses and the ums and
28:09
it'll sound great. Yeah.
28:13
John C Dvorak: So we have this
podcast. Hello,
28:16
Unknown: listeners. Are you
hungry? Hey, this
28:18
looks like a good spot to rustle
up some grub. Ew, what's that?
28:23
Hey, grub, what's it look like?
Ew, gross. Tastes like chicken,
28:30
slimy yet satisfying bugs.
28:33
Is food. That's what we're here
to talk about. Hold
28:36
Adam Curry: on. So they have
this reasonably well edited
28:40
opening montage, you know, is
like, which make just come from
28:44
cartoons. As far as I can tell,
sounds like a cartoon, yeah. And
28:48
then they go into the podcast,
and it's like this big room, and
28:53
you hear the room and
everything. This is very painful
28:57
to listen to for me,
28:59
Unknown: slimy, unsatisfying.
29:02
Adam Curry: Oh, Lion King, yes,
that's where it's from.
29:04
Unknown: Exist food. That's what
we're here to talk about on
29:06
today's episode of Can I bug you
our every other weekly deep dive
29:10
into the wide, weird world of
insight. It's a deep
29:12
Adam Curry: dive. You sure? It's
not AI this podcast,
29:16
Unknown: pretty sure.
29:17
I'm UC Riverside spokeswoman,
Jules Bernstein. I'm here with
29:20
my co host, Doug yannicka, who
is the senior scientist at UC
29:24
Riverside's entomology research
Museum. Hey, Doug. Hello. Hey
29:27
Doug. And our special guest
today is Erin Wilson Rankin, a
29:31
professor of entomology here at
UCR. She studies the ecology of
29:35
arthropod communities and
teaches a course for non majors
29:38
called the natural history of
insects, which introduces the
29:42
subject of entomophagy, the idea
of intentionally uses using
29:46
insects as food. Oh, hold
29:48
Adam Curry: on. Entima Fiji, is
that what she said, this is a
29:50
good term, entomophasia.
29:53
John C Dvorak: I think F,
29:54
Unknown: A, E, G, E, P,
29:57
John C Dvorak: H. I think
there's a P H in there.
29:59
Unknown: P. Beige because, of
course, it's different than
30:01
people unintentionally consuming
insects in their food, which
30:05
they most certainly do. Hey,
Aaron, Hi. Do you happen to have
30:08
any information about how many
insects are allowed in food
30:11
products per the US Food and
Drug Administration?
30:14
I know for a couple things that
are, you know, particularly
30:17
important to me, chocolate, but
you can have, it's allowable to
30:22
have, you know, 5060, pieces of
insect in 100 grams of
30:27
chocolate. Oh,
30:28
Adam Curry: and they're doing
this too. There, there are bugs
30:31
in everything. Now you just go
look at the supermarket. It has
30:34
different names, but there's bug
bugs, bug dust, bug SAP, all
30:38
kinds of bug stuff.
30:39
Unknown: Um, you can have a lot
of aphids. 2500 aphids per 10
30:43
grams of hops. So if you're a
beer drinker, there might be
30:45
some extra sweetness coming from
the insects. Does that add extra
30:49
protein? Possibly, there's such
small amounts that I don't know
30:55
if it's going to be
statistically significant, and
30:58
it probably gets filtered out. I
mean, there's particulate
31:01
matter.
31:02
Well, some people find this
gross, but others think insects
31:05
are the food of the future. Get
into today, food
31:13
Adam Curry: of the future.
Sorry, entomaji, e, n, t, O, M,
31:18
O, P, H, A, G, u, y, also to be
pronounced as mtimo, faggy,
31:23
depends on where you come from.
Practice of eating insects.
31:29
Alternative term is insectivory
to Yes, that's what I would use,
31:35
insectivory, yes, Hmm. Well,
what you just heard is, is, is
31:43
really part of the problem. Is
the FDA, you know, without much
31:47
fanfare, has approved all of
these entomophagy project
31:51
products that go into food,
certain flower, cricket flower,
31:58
being the flower, yeah, what's
the what's the term for cricket
32:01
flower again? Because it has
different
32:04
Unknown: word I don't remember.
Yeah, yeah, let
32:06
Adam Curry: me just cricket
flower is, can't find it now,
32:17
food. Thank you. Troll room,
just call it food. Cricket
32:22
flowers.
32:25
John C Dvorak: You think flour?
32:26
Adam Curry: There it is. Thank
you. Cuisson, a cheetah powder,
32:29
A, C, H, E, T, A, A cheetah
powder. Yeah,
32:33
John C Dvorak: that's better,
probably term than flour. Flour,
32:37
F, l, o, u, r, uh, indicates to
me, something that's from
32:43
grinding some sort of a plant
product. No,
32:46
Adam Curry: you're grinding a
cricket, like
32:48
John C Dvorak: cricket, it's
like, is there beef flour? Is
32:51
there dog flour? I mean, no
doubt the Haitians know that.
32:56
Adam Curry: No doubt so. But
yeah, but that's all allowed by
32:59
the FDA, so people just put it
in there, and it's part of the
33:02
climate change narrative. I
think for a moment, since we
33:06
have a guest on this MSNBC show
who is known to the show for
33:11
many years and comes from this
period, we need to open it up to
33:14
the
33:16
Unknown: gate, to the gate to
the climate gate. So
33:24
Adam Curry: yes, the climate
gate jingle started for us. I'm
33:27
going to say 2009
33:30
John C Dvorak: it was right
during climate gate. So you'd
33:32
have to figure out when that was
33:34
Adam Curry: yes. Well, that's
why it's a jingle, and it was
33:37
Michael Mann. Was the guy who
was falsifying his his notes was
33:44
chain Well, modifying them
33:47
John C Dvorak: because it didn't
make, I think falsifying is a
33:50
better word, can I? Yeah,
33:51
Adam Curry: that's probably
correct. Was changing his, his
33:56
notes and his formula, and it
was found out. It was a big
33:59
scandal. It
34:00
John C Dvorak: was a it was a
hack
34:05
Adam Curry: email, yes, oh, it
was a glitch, a glitch and a
34:08
hack. And, yeah, so it was a
hack that the emails came out
34:13
and and, of course, they denied
it was a scandal. It was a big
34:16
scandal. We covered it quite
extensively, being it.io you can
34:19
hear all of it. So Michael Mann
shows up with Katie tour on
34:25
MSNBC for climate week with,
well, can you guess who he's
34:28
with? I mean, if you have
Michael Mann, one of the premier
34:31
climate science Scientologists,
climatologists of our time, and
34:38
of the IPCC, the International
planetary Panel on Climate
34:43
Change. Who would he show up
with for a bit of color in the
34:46
commentary?
34:48
John C Dvorak: I can think of a
number of people, but
34:50
unfortunately, I can't get
Francis Collins out of my mind
34:53
since I saw him the other day
bullshitting about vaccines. No,
34:57
it's not Francis. It's better
than a hand. Is the only the guy
35:01
it should get, but you don't see
him anymore. No, no. Hansen is
35:05
the guy who came up with the
first no hockey stick.
35:09
Adam Curry: I'm disappointed you
didn't guess
35:11
Unknown: Helene is breaking
records in the southeast, as the
35:14
UN is holding its climate week
here in New York, where
35:17
scientists and world leaders
have met to discuss concerns
35:19
about bigger and stronger
storms, along with temperature
35:22
changes across the globe Joining
us now, science educator and the
35:26
Planetary Society CEO, Bill Nye,
you know well,
35:32
John C Dvorak: you should have
said a big phony. We all know
35:34
very well. Science edu is not a
sign who's not a climatologist
35:39
in any ways, electrical engineer
or something,
35:42
Adam Curry: but he has a new
outfit.
35:44
Unknown: Listen to this
outfitter and the Planetary
35:46
Society. CEO, Bill Planetary
Society,
35:49
Adam Curry: bro, we need one of
those nine. You
35:52
Unknown: know now and University
of Pennsylvania, presidential,
35:54
Distinguished Professor of Earth
and Environmental Science and
35:57
author of our fragile moment,
how lessons from Earth's past
36:01
can help us survive the climate
crisis and a whole lot of other
36:04
books. Michael, Mann gentlemen's
really great to have you. Oh,
36:08
it's
36:08
Adam Curry: great to have you.
Well, let's,
36:11
Unknown: let's have Michael
stop.
36:14
John C Dvorak: I'm just going
to, I'm going to do a little
36:16
mind reading here. I'm a certain
that Katie tour brings up the
36:22
climate gate issues and Michael
Mann being a big phony by by
36:27
fudging numbers, and he she
confronts him like a good
36:31
journalist would. Right your
36:32
Adam Curry: mind, reading is off
the charts, so far off that it's
36:36
not on the chart.
36:37
Unknown: You were nodding your
head as Melissa was talking.
36:39
Marissa was talking about rapid
intensification,
36:43
yeah, something we talk a lot
about these days. You know,
36:46
these storms intensify now.
36:48
Adam Curry: This is the extreme.
What remember back in the
36:51
climate gate days it was global
warming. This is before it
36:55
became climate change, because
the warming was provably not
36:58
happening. Then it was, weather
is not climate, but now extreme
37:04
weather events is climate, yes,
far
37:06
Unknown: more rapidly than they
used to. And there's basic
37:09
underlying science that
predicted that decades ago. I'm
37:12
sorry.
37:13
John C Dvorak: I have to No, no,
that's fine, doesn't that's
37:15
fine, that's fine. I can't
emphasize enough, since you
37:20
brought it up, it just reminded
me. I can't emphasize enough,
37:23
since we've been doing this this
long enough, almost 17 years,
37:27
yeah, the idea that weather
isn't climate was extreme was
37:32
punctuated and pounded on the
table to no end. Weather is not
37:38
climate. Weather is not climate.
That's all they talked about.
37:42
Now they changed it. Let
37:45
Adam Curry: me see if I have a
weather is not climate. We have
37:50
a lot of those. What is this?
37:52
Unknown: In India, a severe heat
wave has shattered the national
37:55
benchmark for the hottest day on
record, as the temperature in
37:58
the city of halodi topped a
staggering 123 degrees
38:02
Fahrenheit. Several 100 people
have died so far from the
38:05
extreme temperatures across
India, increasingly Deadly Heat
38:09
waves have been linked to
climate change. That
38:12
Adam Curry: was mistitled. I
should look for them honestly. I
38:16
should go back and look for
them. But they Yes. They kept on
38:20
saying weather is pounded the
table over it. Yes, weather is
38:23
not climate. Weather is and that
38:25
John C Dvorak: was because it
was they were they brought some
38:27
stuff up during the winter.
Look, it's freezing out. What
38:29
are you talking about? Weather's
38:31
Adam Curry: not climate. All
right, back to back to Michael
38:34
Mann, with the rapid
intensification
38:36
Unknown: basic underlying
science that predicted that
38:39
decades ago. You warm up the
oceans, there's more energy,
38:42
more evaporation of moisture
from the ocean that provides the
38:44
energy to intensify these
storms. They intensify faster,
38:48
and we are seeing that. And the
threat is, you know, as you
38:51
heard here, you have less time
to prepare, because something
38:54
that was just a WEAK tropical
storm is a major, a major
38:58
hurricane, within a matter of 24
hours, they had a lot
39:00
John C Dvorak: of time that's
never happened before.
39:03
Adam Curry: It's, it's rapid
intensification. And, by the
39:06
way,
39:06
John C Dvorak: did, oh, I got, I
got it. I got this time. I can
39:08
do it. Okay, she's gonna ask
about, you know, that they had
39:13
a, they had no major hurricanes
in 2023 How do you account for
39:18
that?
39:18
Adam Curry: No, the next she's
now going to move to Bill Nye.
39:21
She's going to move to Bill Nye.
So we need Bill Nye to put in
39:24
some scientific evidence, some
scientific analogy, a metaphor,
39:29
something that we can
understand.
39:30
Unknown: I keep hearing people
say, you know, climate
39:32
scientists go out and they say,
it's the end of the world. The
39:35
climate change is here. Disaster
is coming, but everything's been
39:39
fine. And then I look at them,
and I said, What about that
39:41
hurricane or what about that
fire? There are this country
39:45
that are not fine. It's not
happening. You know, it's not,
39:48
you know, the end of the world,
like in a science fiction movie
39:52
at the moment, but there are
real life effects around people
39:55
that are being displaced and
killed. It's coming. People
39:57
Adam Curry: are being killed by
39:58
Unknown: climate. Well. It's
also when your power goes out,
40:02
that's when the end of the world
gets us in the developed world,
40:06
and people who live in that area
now have just not just rainwater
40:10
flooding, but flooding from the
ocean, which is salty, which
40:15
rusts your car, and then you
can't get insurance.
40:22
Adam Curry: Bill. Nye comes in
with some with a factoid we all
40:25
need it because your How about
your car blowing up in the
40:29
garage because it's an electric
vehicle? How about that? Bill
40:33
didn't notice that one.
Obviously, these two guys are
40:37
here for a reason.
40:38
Unknown: You had a climate week
this week. Any consensus
40:41
happening? We're just
40:42
one. We're just one
international meeting from
40:46
solving from solving it, yes.
Oh, just one more. No,
40:49
everybody. Oh, it's humor.
People say to me, Bill Nye
40:52
Science Guy, Bill Nye, people
40:54
Adam Curry: come up to me, Hey,
Bill Nye Science Guy, imagine
40:58
that. People come up to me.
Said, Adam curry podfather, oh,
41:01
wait, some people do that.
People say
41:03
Unknown: to me, Bill, my science
guy, what can I do about climate
41:07
change? What can I do about
climate change? We'll tell you
41:10
what people's vote right now. We
hear so much about the undecided
41:14
voters, and this is I'm being as
41:18
diplomatic, generous,
magnanimous. How can
41:21
you not tell the difference
people? One side is in support
41:25
of doing something about these
massive problems associated with
41:28
climate change. The other side
is pretending it's not
41:31
happening. And you guys, we all
want a villain, and so on. But
41:35
it really has been the fossil
fuel industry that's worked
41:38
really hard to suppress the
science.
41:42
Adam Curry: Suppress the
science. You okay, maybe you
41:47
should just explain what you
really want the people to hear.
41:50
Bill Nye science guy. A
41:52
Unknown: lot of people, when
they hear that, though they
41:54
think, God, you guys are being
You're being too crazy, you're
41:57
being too strict, too harsh. I
like my way of life, okay, I
42:01
like my car ordering things on
Amazon. I like all the plastic,
42:06
yes, but that's the thing. I
mean, it is so ingrained in our
42:12
life, and what they're looking
for is for science to come up
42:15
with a way to solve this. We
clap up.
42:17
Adam Curry: Do we have a
scientific solution? John is his
42:22
solution to the science I am
42:24
John C Dvorak: befuddled by this
whole thing. Well, he's she's a
42:27
she is useless, and he's an
idiot. I mean, I don't get it.
42:33
Why would they even put this on
the air? Oh,
42:35
Adam Curry: the reason is coming
now, on
42:37
Unknown: our side of it, we
claim that we have enough energy
42:40
to take care of everything right
now, if we just could apply it.
42:44
And so the longest journey
begins with about a single step.
42:47
We will phase out fossil fuel
use, and they will we will phase
42:52
in renewable energy, but just
when it comes november 5,
42:56
everybody, you've got to vote
for the Democrats, doing my best
43:01
here. For many years, I've been
the head of a of the
43:05
organization that we work very
hard to be political, but not
43:08
partisan in space exploration.
Be that as it may right now the
43:13
choice is clear. So you can
everybody out there. You can
43:17
hate me, you can hate him, you
can hate everything. But when it
43:20
comes to doing something about
climate change, you've got to
43:23
vote for Harris walls, and
43:27
John C Dvorak: that's what this
is, where you expected Clip of
43:31
the Day. No, no, no. I thought
the Trump, I'm telling you this
43:34
is that was the most that that
is not acceptable. NBC should
43:41
be. NBC is bad enough. This is
that head of Comcast. Again, I
43:44
keep bringing him up. It's his
this guy really that Comcast
43:49
that should get rid of NBC
because they're ruining the
43:53
country. I
43:54
Adam Curry: think, you know, we
need a best of, Best of Show in
43:57
the in the next couple of
months. I think you should do an
44:00
interview with Bill Nye science
guy. I bet you can do it. I bet
44:04
if you called up and say, Hey,
I'm I'm a podcast you'd be like,
44:07
Oh, you're a podcaster. Say,
yeah. Like, probably wouldn't
44:10
John C Dvorak: do the due
diligence he needs no to listen
44:12
to the show, because once he did
that, he would never agree to an
44:15
interview. Do
44:16
Adam Curry: you think he would?
He would walk away while you
44:18
were interviewing him? No,
44:20
John C Dvorak: he wouldn't agree
to it. Oh, well, that's
44:26
shameless.
44:27
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course, we
are thinking of all of our
44:30
producers on the East Coast,
south southeast, North Carolina.
44:37
John C Dvorak: You can say all
you want. They're not listening
44:39
well, you know,
44:41
Adam Curry: some still have
battery power, but this was a
44:43
very odd storm. It was, you
know, they said, I mean, I got
44:47
so I told you that the reporting
was strange. The reporting was
44:51
off kilter, like it was, it was
a lot of water, and it destroyed
44:56
dams. But cat four,
44:58
John C Dvorak: that's, yeah.
Didn't go, it looks like it
45:01
didn't go, didn't
45:03
Adam Curry: go, but there's a
lot of destruction. But it
45:07
wasn't that the winds weren't
what anyone predicted. The winds
45:11
were much, much calmer. Just a
lot of water. And it was just
45:16
water, just a lot of water.
Yeah, a lot of water. So we are
45:19
thinking of you producers lot of
water.
45:21
John C Dvorak: And there was, I
thought I was looking over my
45:23
clipless I thought I had this
clip. I know I had it. I guess I
45:26
didn't produce it. I'm not sure
what happened. But there was a
45:29
great clip somebody sent me
from, from Florida, one of the
45:33
islands where some Tesla,
45:35
Adam Curry: yeah, was caught far
was blowing up in the garage. It
45:38
blew up in
45:38
John C Dvorak: the garage and
burnt down what looked to be a
45:40
castle. I mean, this house was
just as gorgeous because it was
45:46
left a couple outer walls,
because the house burned to the
45:50
ground. And then the reporting,
local reporting, talked about
45:53
how all these electric scooters
were going up boom, blowing up
45:57
left and right, and there was
Tesla's blowing up the salt
46:00
water. This is very dangerous.
46:04
Adam Curry: The Iron Oh, the
irony of trying to save the
46:06
climate with your EV and it
catching on fire because of
46:11
burning the place, burning the
place down, I'd like so I have a
46:16
couple of things I want to share
as a mini presentation, but I
46:20
share, you're gonna share. I'm
gonna share a secret, only if we
46:23
hold hands. But I what happened
with Nasrallah? I think is
46:31
something we have. We need you
to do a deep dive.
46:33
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of
Nasrallah clips, so that's why
46:36
I'd like you to start follow up.
No, no. I'd
46:37
Adam Curry: like you to start it
off. I'd like you to, like you
46:40
to get it all out of your
system, and then we'll do some
46:42
analysis, because this was, I
think, much bigger than people
46:46
realize.
46:48
John C Dvorak: I find it
distressing to be honest about
46:50
it. I have a series of clips
here from the Hezbollah leader,
46:57
Hezbollah,
47:00
Adam Curry: Hezbollah, let's
just
47:04
John C Dvorak: start with them.
NPR stuff. This is two clips
47:07
from NPR
47:08
Unknown: to many. Nasrallah is
the leader of a terrorist
47:10
organization, but others in the
Middle East, as we just heard,
47:13
he's viewed as a hero. NPR, Al
shaachi is
47:16
John C Dvorak: this? Is this his
leader? One? Yes, it is. You
47:20
don't want to stop that clip?
No, it has to come later. I'm
47:23
sorry. Okay, what we want is HEZ
summary, good one. NPR,
47:28
Hezbollah
47:28
Unknown: has vowed to retaliate
after an Israeli airstrike
47:31
killed Hassan Nasrallah, the
leader of the Iranian backed
47:35
militant group Hezbollah in
Lebanon. The question of what's
47:38
next for the two countries
hinges on the war in Gaza and
47:42
Piers Jaina RAF in Beirut has
more on what it would take to
47:46
get to a ceasefire. Hezbollah
itself is really unwilling to
47:50
accept a ceasefire. It made
clear when it announced the
47:53
death of Nasrallah that it would
continue fighting Israel. And
47:57
Nasrallah has always made clear
that there won't be a cease fire
48:01
here, unless there's a cease
fire in Gaza. But N piers,
48:05
Daniel estrang, who's in Israel,
says Gaza cease fire talks are
48:09
stalled.
48:09
The question is, Will Iran
backed militias throughout the
48:13
region fire at Israel, whether
that's the Houthis in Yemen,
48:17
whether that's Shia militias in
Iraq, Israel is preparing for
48:22
that potential
48:23
escalation. Okay,
48:27
John C Dvorak: did you get a
note from one of our Mohammed?
48:29
Yes, Mohammed, I'm going to
48:32
Adam Curry: talk about that in
my presentation,
48:35
John C Dvorak: because I thought
that was interesting. Let's go
48:37
to summary too.
48:38
Unknown: The Assassination
Friday was an escalation of
48:41
Israel's campaign against
Hezbollah in a year long
48:44
conflict, Hezbollah started
firing on Israel just after
48:47
Hamas attacked southern Israel
October 7, leaving around 1200
48:51
dead and kidnapping around 250
relatives of the remaining
48:54
hostages have called on Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin
48:57
Netanyahu to ease up On
hostilities until the hostages
49:00
are released. Meanwhile,
President Biden calls nas ralas
49:04
death a measure of justice and
pierce devaram reports
49:07
in a statement, Biden said
Nasrallah and Hezbollah have
49:10
been responsible for killing
hundreds of Americans as well as
49:13
Israeli and Lebanese civilians.
Biden said the US is goal is to
49:17
de escalate tensions in the
Middle East through diplomatic
49:20
means, but ceasefire
negotiations between Israel and
49:24
Hamas have been held up for
months, and there is also no
49:27
agreement to stop the fighting
on the Israel Lebanon border,
49:30
the president said he's also
directed the Pentagon to enhance
49:33
the posture of US forces in the
Middle East to deter a broader
49:37
regional war. Vice President
Harris released a statement too,
49:40
saying Nasrallah had, quote,
American blood on his hands.
49:45
John C Dvorak: This is the guy
we have to remember who blew up
49:47
the Marine barracks, killing 200
during the Reagan
49:51
administration. Well, he's
49:52
Adam Curry: been around for 30
years, right? Yeah, he's
49:54
John C Dvorak: been around
forever, and it's like they
49:56
can't, they couldn't get rid of
him. The Israelis finally got
49:58
fed up, I guess. Yeah. Because
they used bunker busters to blow
50:02
up that area. Yeah,
50:04
Adam Curry: they, they got him
like they had an eight second
50:06
window and done.
50:10
John C Dvorak: But so, but this
guy is, you know, he's not a
50:15
he's a bad guy to us and the
Israelis and everybody who's on
50:19
that side of the argument, but
he's a good guy. In fact, I get
50:22
back and forth with some buddy
bitching at us because we're
50:26
playing. I'm gonna
50:27
Adam Curry: talk about that too.
This. That's actually what set
50:29
me on down the road, down a
different path. Well,
50:32
John C Dvorak: I do want to
mention that 1701 which is a UN
50:35
Secretary Security Council
Resolution, 1701 which required
50:39
the Hezbollah to move north, and
for the Israelis to leave
50:43
Lebanon in 2006 it was ignored
by Hezbollah. I'm gonna, I'm
50:51
gonna talk about news also
ignored by this guy who kept
50:53
writing us notes. I'm gonna read
some of I'm gonna read that in a
50:57
moment. But okay, well, I'm just
setting this up. Yes. So let's
51:01
listen to the couple of things
about this guy. And if anybody
51:04
thinks that that he wasn't loved
by the by the Lebanese, they're
51:12
wrong. As far as I'm concerned.
You could maybe have something
51:15
to be
51:15
Adam Curry: contradictory. I do
have contradictory stuff. Yeah,
51:19
John C Dvorak: I will play
before I get to the leader one.
51:23
Well, let's go with his leader.
Let's play that clip.
51:26
Unknown: Nasrallah appeared on
television for the last time on
51:28
September 19, denouncing the
Israeli pager operation. Cave.
51:36
Retribution will come. He said
it's manner, size, how and where
51:41
that we will keep to ourselves.
The White House said today that
51:44
nasrallahs death was a quote
measure of justice for many
51:47
victims. Nasrallah is survived
by his wife and four children.
51:51
He was 64 hadil al shaachi, NPR
news,
51:56
John C Dvorak: all right, he's
been he's been doing this for a
51:58
long time, if he was only 54 and
then one more ancillary clip I
52:02
just play this has love, hate
clip, and then we can play the
52:05
two clips about him. So
52:07
Unknown: there was just this mix
of emotions. There was mourning,
52:10
but there was more than that.
People here were confused. This
52:13
is uncharted territory. People
on the streets are also scared.
52:17
They understand the gravity of
the moment, and they also
52:21
understand that no one can quite
predict just what comes after
52:25
this. Tell
52:26
us. Tell us more about
Nasrallah. What he represented
52:29
in the region. He's
52:30
a complicated figure. Israel in
the US consider him a terrorist
52:33
who led deadly attacks against
Americans as well as Israelis,
52:37
but to many here in Lebanon and
across the Middle East, he's a
52:40
hero. After Israel invaded
southern Lebanon in the 80s,
52:43
Nasrallah led an armed
resistance that eventually led
52:47
to an Israeli withdrawal. And of
course, on the Palestinian
52:50
issue, he became the most
visible and perhaps the most
52:52
prominent anti Israeli figure in
the world. So for more than
52:57
three decades, not only was he
the top commander of Hezbollah,
53:00
but he was also a religious
leader and a politician.
53:02
So the big questionator, what
happens next?
53:04
I mean, there will be a funeral,
obviously, but I think there's
53:07
just a lot more questions than
answers. I mean, how will
53:09
Hezbollah retaliate for his
death? And what about Iran? Who
53:13
is Hezbollah's benefactor? How
did they react? And then, of
53:16
course, Israel, starting with
the pager attacks last week,
53:19
Israel has systematically
degraded Hezbollah leadership,
53:22
and is that enough, or does
Israel go further, launching a
53:26
ground invasion? We don't have
clear answers to any of those
53:29
questions right now. What
53:31
Adam Curry: was this outlet
53:32
John C Dvorak: who did this
particular report? The NPR? Oh,
53:34
that's
53:35
Adam Curry: NPR as well.
53:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, most of
this is NPR. So we're going to
53:38
go, I mean, I can't trust the
same clips from PBS news hour,
53:42
but NPR seems to have the most,
and I will say this, NPR, I
53:48
think, was very sympathetic to
Nasrallah. I think they were
53:55
totally they played it like, oh,
you know, this guy was the
54:00
Adam Curry: greatest 64 his his
four children, his wife, 54
54:04
John C Dvorak: I think he's 54
this is 64 is what I heard.
54:07
Okay, yeah, it
54:08
Adam Curry: would make more
sense.
54:09
John C Dvorak: Family and
family. Man, yeah, it
54:12
Adam Curry: was a good family.
Man,
54:14
John C Dvorak: so here we go
with the last two clips. And
54:16
this is the HEZ leader one
54:18
Unknown: and two to many.
Nasralla is the leader of a
54:21
terrorist organization, but
others in the Middle East, as we
54:24
just heard, he's viewed as a
hero and fierce. Hadil al
54:27
shaachi takes a closer look at
who he was.
54:34
Adam Curry: That's some Hero
talk right there in
54:36
Unknown: a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon, you heard,
54:40
John C Dvorak: I want you to
keep that him yelling and
54:43
screaming clip in mind with what
you're about to hear
54:49
Unknown: in a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon in 2000 Hassan
54:53
Nasrallah compares Israel's
military capability to a weak
54:56
spiderweb.
54:57
Wallahi.
55:00
Women. It
55:01
was in this year that the long
time Hezbollah leader became an
55:04
icon. He had just led his
militia in a war that pushed
55:08
Israeli troops out of southern
Lebanon, ending an 18 year
55:11
occupation. Nasrallah was born
to an impoverished Shiite family
55:15
in the north of Lebanon before
co founding Hezbollah. Hezbollah
55:19
learned the ropes in the Emil
movement, a Shiite political and
55:22
paramilitary group. He was
chosen to be Hezbollah's leader
55:25
two days after his head Abbas
Moussaoui was killed by the
55:28
Israeli military in 1992 he
became famous for his thick
55:32
beard, black turban, cloak and
charisma, charisma, speaking
55:36
with a slight lisp, has salva
appealed to regular Arabs. Lisp.
55:41
Adam Curry: He spoke with lis. I
55:42
Unknown: didn't hear that.
55:44
Adam Curry: I didn't catch the
lisp.
55:47
John C Dvorak: Well, it's hard,
I guess. Yes, it was Arabic,
55:50
Arabic lisp. It's,
55:51
Adam Curry: I don't know what
that fed dies.
55:55
John C Dvorak: Okay. So she goes
on, let's go to part that's the
55:57
end of that. I think, yes, that
is yes, yeah, go to part two.
56:01
Unknown: Mohammed bezi is the
director of the Center for Near
56:03
Eastern Studies at New York
University. He
56:06
was speaking as if he was
sitting with people in a cafe.
56:08
He had this,
56:09
okay, stop it.
56:13
Adam Curry: Speaking to people
like he was in a cafe. What
56:16
John C Dvorak: kind of Cafe is
that? It's a loud one,
56:19
adversity.
56:20
Unknown: He was speaking as if
he was sitting with people in a
56:22
cafe. He had this accessible
style that resonated with
56:25
people. Was
56:26
a hero to many Arabs, illusion
with their own leaders. His son,
56:31
Hedi, was killed fighting the
occupying Israeli army in 1997
56:35
in extreme contrast to most of
the other political leaders in
56:38
Lebanon, whose children would be
sent to Switzerland, to
56:42
universities, and so that
solidified that he was making
56:46
the same kinds of sacrifices
that he was asking other
56:49
people's children to make. For
56:51
much of the last two decades,
Nasrallah was only ever seen on
56:54
television and never in public
for fear of assassination
56:57
attempts when Nasrallah spoke
the region, and begrudgingly,
57:00
the Israeli security
establishment had to stop and
57:03
listen to the message he was
about to convey, the
57:06
political priorities, the
military priorities of
57:08
Hezbollah. There was also a
sense that Nasrallah meant what
57:12
he said.
57:13
For the Israelis, Nasrallah was
a terrorist who kept their
57:15
northern borders unendingly
threatened. He was involved in
57:19
the bombing of the US Marine
barracks in Lebanon that killed
57:22
over 200 US servicemen in the
early 80s, also backed Syrian
57:27
President Bashar Al Assad during
the brutal 2011 civil war that
57:31
killed 1000s of Sunni Muslims.
He's
57:33
also going to be remembered as
as sectarian leader, and people
57:36
aren't going to forget that. So
it'll be this dual legacy.
57:39
Hezbollah
57:39
and Israel began trading fire
the day after the Hamas led
57:42
attacks on Israel on October 7,
hostilities intensified last
57:46
week when 1000s of pagers and
walkie talkies used by Hezbollah
57:50
members exploded around Lebanon.
Lebanese health officials said
57:54
the explosions killed 39 people.
57:57
Okay,
57:59
Adam Curry: that's, those are
some good backgrounders. So
58:01
John C Dvorak: I think, by the
way, this guy, the Sunnis, can't
58:04
possibly like this character.
He's killed Sunni Muslims. He
58:09
killed American soldiers. I
don't know why. Reagan actually
58:14
backed off then and vacated the
area once that bombing took
58:18
place. He was a bad guy, but,
but, okay, NPR plays him up as a
58:22
family man and and he took
sacrifice by not sending his kid
58:27
to Switzerland, and with
58:28
Adam Curry: a list, he's he's so
with a lisp, he's so normal. All
58:34
right, so we did indeed receive
two emails, and one was from one
58:40
of our producers, and I'll just
read the opening to the email.
58:44
I'll come back to it later. He
says, on Thursday's show, John
58:47
joked about you and him being
shills for Israel, which would
58:51
be a fine enough joke. But then
the blunder occurred when he
58:54
presented to you and everyone
listening, a military industrial
58:58
complex swamp monster
extraordinaire with deep tie to
59:03
the Israel lobby as a respected
expert on Middle East affairs.
59:08
And he, of course, sent that to
me. So I replied and said, I'm
59:12
copying John. Since you forgot
to copy him on your email,
59:16
probably because he couldn't
spell Dvorak, we also received
59:21
an email from our dude named
Mohammed, and he reminded us of
59:25
a previous email, and he said,
Is it me, or does it seem like
59:29
every single powerful Iranian or
Iranian proxy figure vanishes
59:33
unexpectedly. It seems like
someone is systematically
59:37
getting rid of them after each
assassination will be a couple
59:40
of days of colorful rhetoric
followed by coordination for a
59:43
very clean response that doesn't
hurt anyone, and bright lit
59:46
missiles or drones that are
intercepted by the Iron Dome so
59:49
both parties can claim some
victory and have good visuals
59:52
for their side social media
accounts. And he closes by
59:56
saying, just like Adam's Iranian
friends say a lot of people in
59:59
this. Region. Think the Iranian
regime is coordinating every
1:00:03
step with the US and Israel,
which is something we've has
1:00:06
been an ongoing theme. So now I
just may be, I just connected a
1:00:12
whole bunch of dots. It could
be, I could be as worse than
1:00:14
that guy, Ian Carroll, you know
this will you get your team
1:00:18
forward? How this will blow your
mind? You know that guy, that
1:00:21
that Tiktok guy, irritates me.
1:00:24
John C Dvorak: There's a lot of
irritating guys out there. He's
1:00:27
one of them. That's one thing
we've noticed over the years.
1:00:29
Adam Curry: So we need to go
back a year to October and
1:00:32
girls. I want to mention and
women. And women, we need to go
1:00:35
back a year to October 7 last
year. And I've just pulled a
1:00:39
couple clips just for color.
This is McGregor, who said the
1:00:45
following, well, I should point
out that I was in Israel three
1:00:49
years ago in February of 2020,
and I had the opportunity,
1:00:53
because I was a guest of the IDF
chief of staff, to visit the
1:00:57
Gaza front. So to say so, I saw
the barriers, I saw the walls, I
1:01:03
saw how the Israelis had
constructed what I thought was a
1:01:06
very effective and tightly
organized security system. To be
1:01:11
perfectly blunt with you, I'm
somewhat surprised by the entire
1:01:15
thing. It seems almost
incomprehensible to me that the
1:01:20
Hamas fighters could have broken
through as suddenly and as
1:01:23
easily as they did without two
things. One is shameless
1:01:27
incompetence, for which I saw no
evidence when I was in Israel or
1:01:32
someone deliberately let them
in. It's just hard for me to
1:01:36
believe that Hamas was quite
that clever. Now, if you recall
1:01:43
October 7, immediately, was
billed as, this is our 911 This
1:01:48
is our 911 This is it the
Israel. The Jews were saying it,
1:01:55
Sir Brian of London. You got to
understand, because that was the
1:01:58
messaging all across Israel.
This is our 911 only would be,
1:02:02
you know, the 220 300 people is
the equivalent to 30,000
1:02:07
John C Dvorak: Americans. We had
to remember the extrapolation
1:02:10
that constantly Yes, which I
found offensive. Well,
1:02:13
Adam Curry: because that, I
believe that was a meme that was
1:02:15
launched because it is indeed
very hard to understand how
1:02:20
Israel let their security lapse?
We don't have to go through all
1:02:24
the clips, but a cat could walk
past that wall or that
1:02:29
particular border structure, and
bells and alarms and everything
1:02:34
will go off, and machine guns
start firing automatically, but
1:02:37
no none of that, and it took
them hours and hours to come to
1:02:41
where the breach had occurred.
So I think we talked about at
1:02:46
the time, the comparison to 911
is probably pretty apt, because,
1:02:50
you know, that was an inside
job. I'm just going to say it at
1:02:55
least as a sufficient evidence
that we did, never got the full
1:02:59
story. WTC, seven, and we never
got, we never got the full
1:03:04
story. On October 7, on October
8, it was Hezbollah who started
1:03:10
shooting rockets over so now I'm
going to go to another podcast
1:03:15
called call me back. It's Dan
Senor, and he does this podcast
1:03:19
is pretty much for the past
year, has only been about what's
1:03:23
happening in Israel and Gaza and
Lebanon, and he has with him a
1:03:31
guy named Nadav Eyal. And here
is their assessment of the
1:03:38
situation in Israel, but
predominantly in Lebanon. And
1:03:42
what we
1:03:43
Unknown: are seeing here in the
last 14 days, and specifically
1:03:47
with the killing of Hassan
nastrala, the leader of us
1:03:51
designated terror organization,
a man with American blood on his
1:03:54
hands, and mainly, by the way,
the blood of Syrian Muslims on
1:03:59
his hands, dozens of 1000s of
Syrians. One of the reasons
1:04:03
we're seeing scenes of of
celebration around Syria as a
1:04:07
result, and not only in Syria,
but across the region, I've
1:04:11
I've gotten more messages since
October 7 from friends and
1:04:18
officials in the Sunni Arab
world, particularly the Sunni
1:04:22
Gulf, celebrating what Israel
did to Nasrallah. So
1:04:27
I'm getting the same kind of
messages. And the reason for
1:04:30
that is that strategically, the
tide has shifted. We have been
1:04:34
talking on your show, and I've
been making two points. The
1:04:37
first point is that Israel is
trying to restore the deterrence
1:04:41
it did not have on October 7,
when it was attacked by Hamas,
1:04:44
on October 8, when it was
attacked by Hezbollah, in April,
1:04:48
when it was attacked by Iran and
by the Houthis in between, and
1:04:54
the tide has changed, and what
Israel has done to Nasrallah,
1:04:58
the leader of the. Most well
funded and well founded terror
1:05:03
organization in the world, and
to its entire central command is
1:05:09
something that is simply
vibrating through the region and
1:05:13
has changed the region already.
This is a strategic change.
1:05:18
Sometimes, you know these kinds
of operations, they carry
1:05:22
tactical weight. There was
always someone to replace, not
1:05:26
in this case, very much like
Osama bin Laden. This was the
1:05:29
Hassan astrala that entered this
war, and he made the biggest
1:05:34
mistake by entering this war and
aligning himself with
1:05:39
yerkesinwar, the leader of
Hamas.
1:05:41
Adam Curry: So as I'm listening
to this podcast on the dog walk
1:05:45
last night, what really
triggered me was this next clip
1:05:49
when he brought up UN resolution
1701,
1:05:52
Unknown: all these calls for
ceasefires were misguided, that
1:05:57
the international community
should have been focused on
1:06:00
getting Hezbollah to move back,
back north of the latani River,
1:06:04
as it was mandated to do so
under UN Security Council
1:06:08
resolution 1701, after the 2006
Lebanon War. And for the last 11
1:06:13
months, there's been little to
none of a serious effort to
1:06:17
pressure Hezbollah. Yes, there's
been some behind the scenes
1:06:19
moves and whatnot, but there
hasn't been a full thrall. The
1:06:22
international community was not
mobilized to pressure Hezbollah,
1:06:26
and that failure to focus on
Hezbollah the way Israel was
1:06:31
keeping an eye on Hezbollah and
thinking about its next move on
1:06:34
Hezbollah is as responsible or
as much of a driver to this
1:06:39
moment as anything absolutely,
1:06:42
I was amazed when I saw the
Biden Emmanuel Macron
1:06:46
declaration saying after the
quote, unquote escalation in
1:06:52
South Lebanon, in other words,
after, Israel was having one
1:06:57
success after The other, that
now they're calling for 21 days
1:07:03
of ceasefire. So
1:07:05
Adam Curry: the way this came
across to me is, wait a minute.
1:07:08
Everybody was just letting this
happen. There was, there was no
1:07:11
calls for, you know, that this
was against. I mean, the minute
1:07:15
something's against, the UN
resolution, usually, and
1:07:18
everyone's there, everyone's in
New York, like, How come nobody
1:07:21
said anything? So back to your
guy from your clip, I pulled a
1:07:25
little piece. His name is David
wormer. He's the guy who had, I
1:07:28
think was, an NTD clip.
1:07:30
Unknown: He never lived up to
its side of seven, resolution
1:07:33
1701 and that's now the Israeli
demand that resolution 1701 be
1:07:39
actually implemented. And if the
UN and the World doesn't force
1:07:43
on Hezbollah to live up to its
terms, the Israelis will go in
1:07:48
on the ground and force
Hezbollah to live up to its
1:07:51
terms.
1:07:52
Adam Curry: So back to the email
from the guy who talked about
1:07:55
our incredible blunder he
taught, he says, David wormer, a
1:07:59
simple book of knowledge review
would have sent up many red
1:08:03
flags about this guy. He just
heard, as per the book of
1:08:07
knowledge, David wormer has a
PhD in international relations
1:08:10
from John Hopkins University. He
worked in navy intelligence. He
1:08:13
was the Middle East advisor to
Dick Cheney and Special
1:08:16
Assistant to John Bolton. This
alone should be enough to make
1:08:20
anything he says, suspect. Dig a
little deeper, and we find that
1:08:23
he was working as an advisor to
Dick Cheney. He was investigated
1:08:26
by the FBI for espionage. Blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. When I
1:08:30
hear all those names, and I'm
already putting the Israeli 911
1:08:34
in my head, okay, so this guy
has a message to send, and
1:08:39
actually what this blunder turns
out to be quite the great find,
1:08:44
because where are we on the list
right now of the West Clark
1:08:48
seven? And then
1:08:49
Unknown: I came back to the
Pentagon. About six weeks later,
1:08:51
I saw the same officer. I said,
Why? Why haven't we attacked
1:08:54
Iraq? We still going to attack
Iraq. He said, Oh, sir. He says
1:08:56
it's worse than that. He pulled
up a piece of paper off his
1:08:59
desk. He said, I just got this
memo from the Secretary of
1:09:01
Defense's office. It says we're
going to that says we're going
1:09:03
to attack and destroy the
governments in seven countries
1:09:06
in five years. We're going to
start with Iraq, and then we're
1:09:09
going to move to Syria, Lebanon,
Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.
1:09:16
Adam Curry: We have them all
now, except for Iran, and
1:09:19
Lebanon was one that we hadn't
quite captured. And Lebanon is
1:09:24
really important, strategic,
political, Geo, strategically. I
1:09:28
mean, they've got this port.
They've got, we know that this
1:09:31
huge gas fields offshore The
place has been in in a in a
1:09:35
state of disarray for quite a
while, financial disarray. I
1:09:40
think that it's probably true
that certainly the younger
1:09:44
generation is happy this got
this family man is off the
1:09:48
scene, that there's no one
really to follow him up. They
1:09:51
blew up with the pagers, all of
the probably lieutenants or
1:09:54
whatever. And there may be some
kind, you know, the IDF. We
1:09:58
already heard that on Thursday.
IDF is probably. Going to go in,
1:10:01
we may see some form of a
revolution, albeit probably a
1:10:05
peaceful one, to change what is
happening in Lebanon, to make it
1:10:10
us friendly. And now we come
back to our dude named Mohammed,
1:10:14
who says, you know, I wonder if
America is working with Iran to
1:10:18
get all some stuff done we have
it's not Iran it's not the
1:10:22
Iranian people, it's the
Revolutionary Guard, it's the
1:10:25
mullahs, it's the it's the
Supreme Leader. So we need to
1:10:30
take those guys out, and we need
a reason. If only we had a
1:10:34
reason. What could the reason
be? If I
1:10:37
Unknown: were president and a
former president and a leading
1:10:40
candidate. I'm the leading
candidate by far to be the next
1:10:44
president, and that leading
candidate was under threat. But
1:10:52
if I were the president, I would
inform the threatening country,
1:10:56
in this case, Iran, that if you
do anything to harm this person,
1:11:00
we are going to blow your
largest cities and the country
1:11:04
itself to smithereens. We're
going to blow it to smithereens.
1:11:08
You can't do that. And
1:11:09
Adam Curry: right on cue, my
neighbor, Laura Logan, connected
1:11:14
to Defense Intelligence Agency
through her husband, who no
1:11:17
longer is in service, comes out
with a post urgent, according to
1:11:22
informant in New Mexico, Trump's
plane is the next target for
1:11:25
assassination. Nine heat seeking
surface to air missiles have
1:11:29
been smuggled into the US for
this purpose, and there are
1:11:32
three kill teams already inside
the country. Trump has been
1:11:36
informed. So have the US, Intel
agencies and other authorities.
1:11:39
Money has been transferred to a
cartel to push this over the
1:11:42
border. These people are
cornered and vicious. They will
1:11:45
stop at nothing. So only one of
two scenarios is now possible,
1:11:52
either.
1:11:53
John C Dvorak: I like the way
you dramatize it. It is good
1:11:55
dramatize Well,
1:11:56
Adam Curry: I mean, that's the
way the church lady Text group
1:11:58
dramatized it, because they're
like, oh, Laura poses this, you
1:12:02
know, Infowars, multiple sources
now confirm surface to air
1:12:06
missiles inside us to target
Trump
1:12:07
John C Dvorak: forced one. Oh,
you're getting,
1:12:09
Adam Curry: I'm getting, Alex.
I'm getting, I'm doing it, I'm
1:12:11
doing it. I'm doing it. So one
of two scenarios is possible.
1:12:17
One is something actually
happens, President Trump is
1:12:21
assassinated by a surface to air
missile, God forbid, but I'm
1:12:25
just saying God forbid, but it
would certainly be a reason to
1:12:30
target Iran. I think more likely
is, this is Trump's job, and it
1:12:37
is probably said, and I just
have to step back where many
1:12:41
people believe that Israel
controls America, I believe the
1:12:44
opposite. We control Israel.
It's our aircraft carrier in the
1:12:50
desert in the sand. And this has
been a setup from one year ago
1:12:55
to get every single piece of the
chessboard all the way up to
1:13:00
Iran, and there will be a
reason, probably, for Trump, as
1:13:04
President, to take out the
National Guard, the moolahs, the
1:13:09
whole kit and caboodle. It may
be just as surgical. He may have
1:13:13
more pager blow ups or whatever,
and then but a Bing, but a boom.
1:13:17
We have the West Clark seven
completed, and then the Neo cons
1:13:21
have exactly what they wanted.
Instead of taking three years,
1:13:24
it took them 23 years. That's
what this feels like to me, and
1:13:29
John C Dvorak: took them a long
time. Can I take do a little
1:13:33
meta on this? Yeah, please. Is
it possible because of, if you
1:13:38
back off to your own thesis and
Muhammad's commentary about how
1:13:43
the Israelis and the Americans
and the Iranians were already
1:13:47
working together, that they've
already been taken over.
1:13:51
Adam Curry: Very possible. And,
and, you know, and the rest of
1:13:55
it is all
1:13:56
John C Dvorak: show, all shows,
all theater,
1:13:58
Adam Curry: fireworks,
fireworks. Yeah, completely
1:14:01
possible.
1:14:03
John C Dvorak: I mean, and
that's the reason they had to
1:14:05
get rid of Nasrallah. They were
also, how did anybody, I don't
1:14:09
care how good Mossad is, or our
people, how do they know where
1:14:13
this guy is, where they can do a
targeted bunker buster from a I
1:14:19
get an F 16, or whatever plane
they shot, it from which has
1:14:23
been documented, a targeted
bunker buster that went and blew
1:14:28
up the basement and went through
and killed this guy when he's
1:14:33
never, ever seen who, how did
they ever know where he was?
1:14:37
This is an inside job.
Interesting.
1:14:40
Adam Curry: You bring that up. I
didn't clip it, but the that Al
1:14:44
guy on the dance in your call me
back podcast, he said exactly
1:14:48
what you're saying. Like this
was, what kind of intelligence,
1:14:52
how did they get? And he went on
to say, I have my thoughts. You
1:14:55
know, I'm working on sources
like, not going to say anything
1:14:57
about it yet. So everyone's
asked. Asking this question, How
1:15:01
was this possible? I agree,
inside job. It is the the 911 of
1:15:07
the Middle East and and we're
almost done. I mean, Syria, we,
1:15:11
you know, we have troops there.
Sudan, big mess. It's all our
1:15:15
arms that
1:15:16
John C Dvorak: are. Got to
remember, they've killed off
1:15:17
that, that one superstar leader
in I don't know, where was it,
1:15:22
Lebanon. They got him in this
hotel room and they blew up,
1:15:25
though, they supposedly sent a
missile, it turns out to be a
1:15:28
bomb in a room in Tehran to take
out this other guy who knows is
1:15:34
absolutely right when he says,
These guys have been
1:15:36
disappearing one after the
other, and they're all a threat
1:15:38
to the system.
1:15:39
Adam Curry: So now we just need
some big fireworks. It would, it
1:15:42
would be kind of cool to have
some surface to air missiles not
1:15:45
hit anything but go off. You
know, more more cool fireworks.
1:15:52
I mean, that's that. It has to
be something like that. You got
1:15:56
to go back to the to ground zero
on October 7, bull crap the
1:16:01
Israelis. Whoa, whoa. How did
that happen? No way. This thing
1:16:07
was a setup from the beginning.
Unfortunately, had to kill, you
1:16:10
know, like 50,000 men, women and
children in Gaza. But I think
1:16:16
they thought it was worth it,
and they don't care. They killed
1:16:18
3000 Americans on 911 they don't
care, sent in millions of
1:16:23
troops. Wound up killing a
million Iraqis. They killed
1:16:27
John C Dvorak: left and right.
I'm always go, I take it all the
1:16:29
way back to that Korean flight
that flew, you know, an inch
1:16:33
over Moscow. It was just
accidental move, or even though
1:16:36
they turns out the thing was
filled with cameras. It was
1:16:38
taking pictures of some base,
yeah, and there was a bunch of
1:16:41
paying passengers in that plane,
yeah, you know, they paid good
1:16:45
money to take a nice, safe
flight to Tokyo, where everyone
1:16:48
was headed, and they all got
killed. Nobody cares. And
1:16:52
Adam Curry: by the way, they
didn't care, sending out a
1:16:55
dangerous product to inject to
the American people and the rest
1:16:58
of the world. They don't care.
Guess the price, and
1:17:02
Unknown: neither did Trump.
1:17:04
Adam Curry: FYI, so this would
be the perfect reason for Trump
1:17:08
to become president. Perfect.
He's been threatened. He says,
1:17:13
Hey, I'm gonna he basically
says, I'll blow you to
1:17:15
smithereens if you threaten me,
although he said, Oh, if it was
1:17:18
the opposing candidate, yeah,
whatever. You know, there's, you
1:17:22
see the videos, these slick
videos which are clearly CGI,
1:17:27
computer generated media, CGM,
maybe I should say, with, you
1:17:32
know, supposedly made by Iran,
put on the on the Ayatollah's
1:17:36
webpage or the President's
webpage. And it's Trump golfing
1:17:40
at Mar a Lago, and this robot
with a camera, you know, little,
1:17:46
you know, little four wheel job
rolls along, and then it goes up
1:17:49
there, and it targets the
president, and then all of a
1:17:52
sudden, the drone kills him. On
on the eighth hole. This is all
1:17:57
part of the show. The question
is, does it come as an October
1:18:01
surprise? Which would make
sense. You know, Trump's the
1:18:09
guy. He's the guy that'll take
him out. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb
1:18:12
Iran, bomb them, bomb them and
bomb them again. Everybody's
1:18:15
teed up, especially Fox News.
You
1:18:23
John C Dvorak: Well, I think
they've already got Iran in the
1:18:24
pocket. I think this whole
thing, they're not going to bomb
1:18:27
Iran anytime soon, and I think
the mullahs knew that. And this,
1:18:30
with this whole thing, is this
something of a ski. I mean, it's
1:18:33
a complete scam, from top to
bottoms, exactly. And with that,
1:18:37
it's well done.
1:18:39
Adam Curry: It's, it's very well
done, because we've already
1:18:42
forgotten October 7. We already
forgot that we're already beyond
1:18:47
it. We're beyond it. All right,
Trump's out there talking a big
1:18:51
game about it, and Iranian was
going to kill Trump. Okay, sure,
1:18:56
sure. We'll see what happens.
And with that, I'd like to thank
1:18:59
you for your currency in the
morning, to you, the man who put
1:19:02
the sea in the climate week in
New York. Say hello to my friend
1:19:04
on the other end, the one and
only. Mr. Johnson
1:19:13
Unknown: thunder,
1:19:15
John C Dvorak: welcome to I'm
sorry. In the morning to you and
1:19:17
Mr. Adam curry, also in the
morning, ship sea boots and
1:19:20
Raffy in the air, steps of the
water, all the games and nights
1:19:25
out there in
1:19:25
Adam Curry: the morning to the
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John C Dvorak: down. Four down.
304 down. We're
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Adam Curry: down. Trolls are
down. Ah, well, the trolls have
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podcast summit, the summit for
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podcasting 2.0 I was talking
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about how we do the show. You
know, our Yes, our little
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John C Dvorak: podcast here, I
ran into a whole series of you
1:21:11
being on all these random
podcasts. Was
1:21:13
Adam Curry: it on tick tock? And
did you get into the Al? Did the
1:21:16
algo suck you in?
1:21:17
John C Dvorak: No, it was on
YouTube. Oh, also, same
1:21:21
Adam Curry: thing and, and I was
always very, I'm very
1:21:24
complimentary, am I not about
you? Especially about you? No,
1:21:29
no, okay,
1:21:31
John C Dvorak: I think there's,
I will talk to you about it
1:21:33
after the show. I do have some
thoughts. Oh, did I do something
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wrong? Well, it's no, it's
nothing bad. But I think you,
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you have a pitch, and you, I
think you're de emphasizing one
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of the elements of the pitch,
which is that we don't do
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premium content.
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Adam Curry: Oh, I, sometimes I
forget that, yes,
1:21:52
John C Dvorak: because that you
can really go out because
1:21:54
premium this i and the reason
that comes up to comes to mind
1:21:57
is I was, there was some 404,
media, whenever this one group
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does the sub stackers, and then
they go on about how they're
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going to do a podcast about
this, about this column, and
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then there's going to be premium
content for these subscribers.
1:22:13
And I'm thinking, Why? Why? Why
are you hiding it? Is the
1:22:16
information better than the
stuff you're normally telling
1:22:19
us? Is it secretive? Can you can
you ever refer to it because
1:22:23
it's premium? Why are you
forcing is the material you're
1:22:27
actually trying to service a
greater audience? Are you just
1:22:31
trying to cut it, cut them off?
I mean, I I just don't
1:22:35
understand the mentality behind
and this was all started by
1:22:38
Patreon. I do not understand the
mentality of premium content.
1:22:43
Thank you. In other words, I
mean, it should all, if it's all
1:22:47
premium Yeah, it's like a stock
market newsletter. You have to
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pay for it because it's all
premium content. It's not for
1:22:53
the general it's not just free
information, because you can
1:22:56
make money from money making
content. Yes, but in the case of
1:22:59
this show and these and all
these other podcasts. Why are
1:23:03
you hiding some of the
information from the general
1:23:07
listener, many of whom can't
afford to to subscribe to
1:23:10
anything. We have a lot of
people that I just know. They
1:23:12
just can't afford it. They can't
afford five bucks.
1:23:14
Adam Curry: Yeah, and I think
this is an excellent point.
1:23:17
Thank you for reminding me. Do
we have to have the meeting
1:23:19
still, or can we not have the
meeting?
1:23:22
John C Dvorak: There's some
other issues. I'm
1:23:23
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous.
1:23:25
John C Dvorak: I'll bring them
out. I'm
1:23:26
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous. I
1:23:27
John C Dvorak: don't know why
you keep harping on the you have
1:23:30
now come up with a new thesis,
that we hate each other.
1:23:34
Adam Curry: I never said we hate
each other.
1:23:36
John C Dvorak: Yes, you
suggested it.
1:23:38
Adam Curry: I said we're not
really friends. Y'all know you
1:23:41
John C Dvorak: said we're not
really friends. We might even
1:23:42
hate each other. You said that
it's a joke. It's not perceived
1:23:47
as a joke by me. I'm sorry.
1:23:49
Adam Curry: Well,
1:23:51
Unknown: do you love me? I
1:23:52
John C Dvorak: think we are
friends. If you ask for a favor
1:23:55
from a friend, I would give you
the favor. I've
1:23:57
Adam Curry: only been to dinner
at your house once. You live in
1:24:01
John C Dvorak: Texas.
1:24:02
Adam Curry: I used to live in
California, even then once, and
1:24:06
you didn't even let me see your
studio.
1:24:08
John C Dvorak: Well, no, you're
not going to see the studio,
1:24:10
okay, under any circumstances.
But that's beside the point. We
1:24:13
used to go to dinner a lot when
you were near.
1:24:17
Adam Curry: It was really a
build out because I got bored of
1:24:19
telling people I should go back
to saying we don't talk outside
1:24:22
of the show to keep it fresh.
That's that's where that comes
1:24:26
from.
1:24:26
John C Dvorak: Okay? And you
also leave out the part that
1:24:28
this is performance art, yeah,
you're not using it.
1:24:33
Adam Curry: No, that's your
term. You always use the term,
1:24:35
yeah, but you know it's right. I
1:24:40
John C Dvorak: Okay. I didn't
know that you were reluctant to
1:24:43
okay, you don't see it that way.
No, okay,
1:24:45
Adam Curry: no, I see it that
way. But I don't like the term.
1:24:49
I like saying because, you know,
performance art, think makes me
1:24:52
think of Bjork or Lady Gaga.
1:24:56
John C Dvorak: Okay, I get it. I
get it.
1:24:58
Unknown: Well with me, I
1:24:58
John C Dvorak: could see where
you could be. I find it
1:25:00
objectionable, objectionable.
1:25:02
Adam Curry: But what I usually
try to explain and, and, yes,
1:25:05
sometimes I You're absolutely
right. I'm taking the criticism
1:25:10
as as constructive. What, what
I, what I did say in that same
1:25:15
interview is, you know, we have,
sometimes up to 100 clips, and
1:25:18
we're just playing off each
other. We don't play them all,
1:25:21
but this is an ongoing creative
process, and we just flow into
1:25:25
each other. And
1:25:26
John C Dvorak: I'm not gonna,
I'm not gonna, yes, we do. I'm
1:25:29
not gonna name the podcaster
because I get because honestly
1:25:32
don't remember his name. But
there was some guy who were on
1:25:36
some podcast where I swear,
because I had the time codes, it
1:25:40
was 37 minutes before he even
put you on the screen, and then
1:25:44
he talked another 10 minutes
before he let you say a word. It
1:25:49
was almost an hour of the whole
podcast of him jabbering.
1:25:55
Adam Curry: I'm trying to think
what this must have been a while
1:25:57
back. I'm trying to think it
1:25:58
John C Dvorak: was, it wasn't,
it wasn't, not that far back. It
1:26:01
was maybe three or four months
ago, and it was yak, yak, yak. I
1:26:06
mean this. And it was, I don't,
I don't want to insult a fellow
1:26:10
podcaster, even though
1:26:12
Adam Curry: I remember there was
a podcast like that where this
1:26:16
happened. I remember telling
Tina, like, wow, like guy talk
1:26:19
more than than me. Just kept on
talking. I don't, I don't
1:26:22
remember who it was, yeah, yeah,
and that's okay, but absolutely
1:26:27
Point taken. And of course,
we're friends,
1:26:31
Unknown: kind of kissing
cousins,
1:26:36
John C Dvorak: so I'm not going
to take anything. I'm not
1:26:39
kissing
1:26:41
Adam Curry: now. Do we not have
to have the meaning, or is there
1:26:43
even more?
1:26:45
John C Dvorak: There's one or
two things in a little more? No,
1:26:47
Adam Curry: oh no. Oh no. Hey,
let me critique your interview.
1:26:52
Oh, wait, you don't do any,
okay, I've
1:26:54
John C Dvorak: done a couple.
You promote the show.
1:26:56
Adam Curry: When's the last time
you promoted the show? Exactly,
1:27:02
I'm out there living on the
edge, man, I'm taking all the
1:27:05
hits and people email me when
they're angry at you. Well,
1:27:09
John C Dvorak: that's fine. It's
working out for me.
1:27:15
Adam Curry: I refuse to have
this meeting after the show.
1:27:18
There's something else you need
to say. You can say it now. No,
1:27:25
well, is it constructive? Will
it improve the promotion of
1:27:28
John C Dvorak: the show? No, no,
1:27:32
Adam Curry: it's just you
bitching about me. Is
1:27:33
John C Dvorak: that what it is?
No, it's a suggestion. Okay,
1:27:37
Unknown: all right, you can
suggest it. No, no, because
1:27:41
John C Dvorak: this is no,
because no, it's bond to it
1:27:44
properly in public.
1:27:48
Adam Curry: I will respond. I
You really can't make me mad
1:27:51
anymore, except the other day,
1:27:54
John C Dvorak: the other day
try. That's the reason the
1:27:57
Adam Curry: other day you
thought I was mad when I said,
1:27:59
Hey, why don't you just do the
show with Mo. I think I did say
1:28:01
that. Yes, you did.
1:28:05
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
mean, I like Mo, but yeah, he's
1:28:10
he's more than I can take.
1:28:12
Adam Curry: There you go. Hello,
everybody. All right, so Good
1:28:17
point. There's no premium
content you can't access, and
1:28:21
people who can't afford to
support us with their treasure
1:28:23
of the time, talent and
treasure. You can support us in
1:28:26
other ways, by telling people to
listen, by promoting us somehow.
1:28:31
One of the ways that we like to
receive value, and our value for
1:28:35
value model, is from our
artists. We have a lot of them,
1:28:38
and they use no agenda, Art
generator.com, we were talking a
1:28:43
lot about AI on the last show.
PS, producers, you don't have to
1:28:48
send me the notebook. Lm,
podcast that you made up. Okay,
1:28:53
everybody is coming up with ID.
Did you get all did you get a
1:28:57
number of these?
1:28:59
John C Dvorak: Yes, and I'm
gonna I, since I'm working on a
1:29:01
sub stack column about this, I
one of them I do want to
1:29:04
actually use, go have a link to,
yeah, anyone can do these. I
1:29:10
mean, it just, I know, but the
notebook LM is terrible, and by
1:29:13
the way, so I'm sitting at
dinner with their family on
1:29:16
Friday, and I just mentioned
notebook LM and JC, who's in the
1:29:21
AI, he's got an AI company.
Says, oh, that's the greatest.
1:29:27
What? So I called him out? He
1:29:32
Adam Curry: says, The Greatest.
Let's do a deep dive. This is
1:29:35
mind blowing. Oh, yeah, ah,
yeah. That then, after you
1:29:40
called him out, what happened?
1:29:41
John C Dvorak: He immediately
backed off. He said, Yeah, it
1:29:44
sucks. So
1:29:46
Adam Curry: this one producer,
since we're on it, he uploaded a
1:29:51
text file that had like three
words in it. Monk, I think was
1:29:58
like one. What does monkey taint
smell like? That was literally
1:30:02
the input for the podcast. And
he did three others, you know,
1:30:07
like, okay, but I do have to
play just a little bit of this
1:30:10
one.
1:30:10
Bag: Okay, you've got to hear
this one. Today's deep dive is
1:30:13
dot unique. Our listener wants
to know, what does a monkey
1:30:18
taint smell like.
1:30:19
Unknown: And frankly,
1:30:21
who am I to judge? Let's dive
in. You
1:30:23
Douche: know, it's funny, isn't
it? The listener gives us this
1:30:25
single, open ended question, no
extra info, nothing. Just what?
1:30:29
What does a monkey taint smell
like? Right?
1:30:32
Bag: No, I was at the zoo the
other day and or I've always
1:30:35
wondered, just straight to the
monkey taint. So where do we
1:30:38
even start with this? I mean, on
the one hand, it's a question
1:30:41
about a smell, presumably. So
1:30:43
Douche: we're already making
assumptions. Well, yeah, I
1:30:44
Bag: guess we are. Okay. So it's
question about smell,
1:30:46
potentially, and it's about
monkeys.
1:30:50
John C Dvorak: How are they
making assumptions? That's
1:30:52
exactly what the question was.
1:30:54
Adam Curry: This is why it's,
1:30:55
John C Dvorak: what does that
smell like, in
1:30:58
Bag: some way, but it's also got
this word taint, yeah, that's
1:31:01
Douche: the real curveball,
isn't it? Curveball? It's a real
1:31:04
curveball, John. It's evocative,
suggestive, not your average
1:31:08
neutral word for a body part,
because you wonder what kind of
1:31:11
smell the listener is picturing.
You know exactly
1:31:14
Bag: like. Are we talking about
something acrid, musky, sweet,
1:31:18
putrid? The word taint kind of
implies something a bit
1:31:22
offensive, right? Oh, man,
1:31:25
Adam Curry: this is how bad it
is.
1:31:27
John C Dvorak: Now, this is
Google. I want to say a couple
1:31:29
of things before we will get off
this in a second for people or
1:31:33
think it sucks, but this is
Google. They're editorializing.
1:31:37
There's example after example of
them editorializing one thing or
1:31:40
another. It's got nothing to do
with what this is supposed to
1:31:43
be. Notebook. It's supposed to
be, take your notes and then
1:31:49
turn them into some sort of
narrative so you can, you know,
1:31:51
listen to it. You learn. You can
be educated. It's not supposed
1:31:55
to teach it, you know, life
lessons. It's called notebook.
1:32:00
Hello. What does notebook mean?
1:32:02
Adam Curry: And the sad thing
is, it probably cost $5 to
1:32:06
create this podcast in compute
cost. I think you're low in
1:32:10
Compute costs.
1:32:11
John C Dvorak: I think you're
low.
1:32:12
Adam Curry: Yeah, I might be, I
might be, that's and, dude, I'm
1:32:16
telling you not you do. But
dudes, dude, when they really
1:32:20
start charging you what it costs
for this nonsense. It's gonna,
1:32:23
it's over. No one's gonna use it
like, you know, it's really, you
1:32:28
know, someone sent me a song
about the pod files that's
1:32:31
really cute. If it had cost you
10 bucks you've done it. No,
1:32:34
exactly. It's not that cute.
It's because it's free. Now,
1:32:39
we'll talk more about that
later. Let's get back to our
1:32:41
artists. Because we were talking
about the concept of AI slop,
1:32:48
which I'm hearing now, even on
Bloomberg, I heard him talking
1:32:50
about it. So the term is out
there AI slop, which is ruining
1:32:56
review websites is ruining
comments is ruining websites
1:33:00
where people upload short
stories they've written.
1:33:03
Everything is now chat, GPT,
anthropic, Claude, slop, Gemini.
1:33:11
And so we felt it was only
fitting to choose a piece of AI
1:33:16
slop, which came from comic
strip blogger,
1:33:20
John C Dvorak: creative, quite
good, quite good, quite a good
1:33:23
piece. Yes,
1:33:24
Adam Curry: well, give it, you
know, give it to mid journey or
1:33:28
wherever, whatever. AI system,
computer generated imagery
1:33:33
system, did this. It was a
little computer lady with a bowl
1:33:36
of AI slop. It was boom,
1:33:40
John C Dvorak: deep dive, yeah,
and it was slopping all over the
1:33:42
place. It was green goo.
1:33:44
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was good.
1:33:46
John C Dvorak: She's a robot,
yeah, it was, it was a, it was a
1:33:50
compositions, dynamite did a
terrific job. Yes,
1:33:54
Adam Curry: we almost went with
Ukraine. Loves bombs by Nico
1:33:58
Sime, which we, actually liked
it better, just for the
1:34:02
dynamicness of the of the image,
which is a Ukrainian flag in a
1:34:08
heart shape, holding a bomb with
a cute little smile on his face.
1:34:12
But we immediately took, uh,
took issue with the Korean
1:34:17
Dvorak being almost unreadable.
It was unreadable. Very small.
1:34:24
John C Dvorak: He had jacked
that up to, well, it looks like
1:34:27
it's about, at least on this
little image, it's probably 14
1:34:31
points, maybe, if he was jacked
it up to, like 4050, points. So
1:34:35
it was across the bottom, yeah.
Very probably would have won.
1:34:38
Unknown: Very small. We
1:34:44
Adam Curry: you kind of liked
Darren O'Neill's curry on Dvorak
1:34:47
2028 but you said it's a
violation because the name
1:34:52
Dvorak was much bigger than the
name curry. It was a violation,
1:34:56
which is a violation, violation,
um. Um, I, I liked the comic
1:35:02
strip bloggers, AI, the snake
eating its own tail, but you
1:35:05
didn't even see it. You didn't
see that. It was a snake eating
1:35:09
its own tail. So I
1:35:11
John C Dvorak: just saw a
circle, yeah, yeah. When you
1:35:13
pointed it out, I saw it, yeah.
But that's also had an AI eating
1:35:18
itself with a kind of a serpent
trying, but never got to it
1:35:22
wasn't, wasn't it? So that, no,
that wasn't gonna happen.
1:35:25
Adam Curry: And I think those
were the main ones that we
1:35:28
considered. Lots of people threw
up some other AI based stuff.
1:35:32
But of note was rocket boy, who
put two dorky nerds with
1:35:38
microphones and then curry
Dvorak on drum like, is that AI
1:35:43
us or something? What was that
all about?
1:35:45
John C Dvorak: I those are very,
as baffled as you. Very
1:35:48
Adam Curry: strange, very
strange choice he made there.
1:35:52
Well, I mean,
1:35:52
John C Dvorak: it's like, when
you see it you asked, have to
1:35:55
ask yourself Self, why did he
even submit it? Yeah, and
1:36:01
there's two microphones, one's a
big and they're not hooked to
1:36:04
anything. It's just like, it's a
bad AI.
1:36:11
Unknown: All right,
1:36:13
Adam Curry: that's our time and
talent. Thank you very much,
1:36:17
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And these are not just just
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1:36:56
there. They are actual titles
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1:36:59
recognized in Hollywood, just
like we were talking earlier,
1:37:02
you know, show runners, etc,
executive producers. This is how
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it works. And you could even
open up an IMDB account. There
1:37:11
are over 1000 no agenda
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1:37:14
Executive producers, and we kick
it off. I you know, you may
1:37:19
think I'm no good at my
interviews. You may have nobody
1:37:24
said that. You may have notes
for me. I've got a note. Got a
1:37:28
note
1:37:29
John C Dvorak: trying to improve
things. I got a note. No, no,
1:37:32
you take you take offense.
That's fine, not taking offense.
1:37:36
Adam the lesbian, what? Nothing.
Adam the lesbian, yeah, you just
1:37:42
some people get the gag, hmm,
1:37:45
Adam Curry: okay, well, the
troll room is just doing
1:37:48
question marks. Like, what is he
talking about anyway? Um, here's
1:37:53
my friend, the oil baron, who
has been, uh, discussed on this
1:37:57
show with, uh, he's definitely
give us some time and talent in
1:38:02
driftwood. Driftwood is that, I
think that's where Jason
1:38:05
Calacanis just bought his ranch.
1:38:08
John C Dvorak: Is there a lake
or an ocean around there where
1:38:11
there's driftwood, where
1:38:12
Adam Curry: they used to be,
long time ago, long, long time
1:38:16
ago, and the oil baron comes in
with $1,000 and just says from
1:38:22
the oil baron, and I could not
be happier. Thank you very much,
1:38:27
oil baron. And he hasn't. He
didn't ask for a knighting or a
1:38:32
or any type of title, but I will
ping him after the show and ask
1:38:37
him what
1:38:38
John C Dvorak: he wants. He
wants to be for a Commodore.
1:38:40
Give me always a certificate.
Yeah,
1:38:42
Adam Curry: yes, he should be a
Commodore oil baron. Commodore
1:38:46
Commodore the oil baron. We'll
get the information. And thank
1:38:51
you very much, brother, that's
my my buddy, Paul the oil baron.
1:38:55
A cool 1000 Jason
1:38:56
John C Dvorak: actually did move
there, huh? Oh,
1:38:58
Unknown: yeah, yeah.
1:39:01
Adam Curry: This would be a
interesting and another friend I
1:39:04
brought in, who supports,
where's your friends supporting?
1:39:07
Where's the lib Joe's
1:39:09
John C Dvorak: lib Joe's on
moving to Texas. Dennis Harrison
1:39:15
is up. He's in Beaumont,
Mississippi, and he wants to be
1:39:21
Commodore Harrison jingles. L
Sharpton, special jobs, jobs,
1:39:25
jobs, thank you for your value.
Love it. Knight. Name, sir. He
1:39:28
wants to be a knight. I guess
he's gotten to that point. And
1:39:31
Sir Harrison of the rednecks,
table request, wagyu, rib eye,
1:39:36
shabu, shabu with Riman noodles
and ASAHI SUPER DRY beer for
1:39:42
your information. Roseanne Barr
at the Tucker event in Dallas
1:39:46
was ridiculously over the top.
Okay, lol, he says, kind
1:39:52
regards. Dennis, yo,
1:39:54
Unknown: there's no real
conflict. Jobs, jobs, jobs and
1:39:59
jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
1:40:03
Adam Curry: Karma. All right, we
move on to Sir eight bit Ben
1:40:10
from Evansville, Indiana, 512,
33 let's see what he has to say.
1:40:15
Sir eight bit Ben here would
like to claim the title of
1:40:17
Commodore VIC 20 with this V for
V donation. I would also ask the
1:40:21
peerage committee if I could
claim my overdue Baron title
1:40:25
accounting an eight bit Baron
Tesla license plate pick
1:40:28
attached. I didn't see the
picture. Must be cool. Does he
1:40:33
say sir eight bit Ben on his
license plate?
1:40:37
John C Dvorak: I don't have it.
I would like to
1:40:39
Adam Curry: claim the territory
of Southern Indiana. If the
1:40:42
committee approves, I see no
issue. By the way. Got to Baron
1:40:45
with my monthly chip donation of
6502 kindly asking other retro
1:40:51
geeks to join in on that
donation. Good one,
1:40:54
John C Dvorak: yes, 6502 it's
the original Apple two chip.
1:40:57
Yes. Indeed.
1:41:00
Adam Curry: For those who don't
know, the Commodore VIC 20 was a
1:41:03
very important computer for its
time, not only being promoted by
1:41:06
William Shatner, it was one of
the first computers used by many
1:41:09
famous tech figures like Linus,
Torvalds, uh, SART Satoru,
1:41:13
Iwata, who was that? Satoru?
Iwata, I have no idea. John
1:41:18
Carmack, who was that?
1:41:20
John C Dvorak: I know who that
is, but I can't think of it.
1:41:22
Elon
1:41:23
Adam Curry: Musk,
1:41:24
John C Dvorak: I doubt it, or
1:41:25
Adam Curry: himself, sir Abby
Ben and the podfather, Adam
1:41:29
curry, and he sent me a clip.
Did
1:41:31
John C Dvorak: you wait a stop
you? Your first computer was a
1:41:34
VIC 20? No,
1:41:35
Adam Curry: my first computer
was the Sinclair ZX 80.
1:41:39
John C Dvorak: Well, that's even
nerdier. And
1:41:41
Adam Curry: then my second
computer was the Vic 20, which
1:41:46
was not called the Vic 20. It
came from Germany. In Germany,
1:41:49
they called it something else. I
forget what it was the Vic 20,
1:41:53
because vicin means it's the F
word in
1:41:57
John C Dvorak: German, vicin
vicinity, okay?
1:42:01
Adam Curry: And he said, here's
the clip from show number 15 of
1:42:05
the no agenda show. I didn't,
didn't have a lot of dough
1:42:08
around. And then, of course, the
Vic 20, the Commodore VIC 20,
1:42:11
the predecessor to the Commodore
64 that was really my, my first
1:42:16
real computer that I hacked
around with. I built a I built
1:42:19
my own acoustic modem to use
with it. And we figured out they
1:42:24
had these ROM cartridges that
you could plug in with games.
1:42:27
And we figured out how to copy
the games from rom onto
1:42:30
cassettes, and we would sell
those. It was, it was a lot of
1:42:33
fun. There you go. How about how
about that sound? Huh? A
1:42:38
John C Dvorak: couple of things.
Yes, for one thing, and I'll
1:42:41
remember that, but I will say
that, and I should, because I
1:42:45
should have said something about
you built your own acoustic
1:42:48
modem, really, I
1:42:49
Adam Curry: sure did
1:42:51
John C Dvorak: with a couple of
speakers. No,
1:42:53
Adam Curry: it took a telephone
microphone. No, took, took an
1:42:55
existing telephone horn, and
pulled out the elements and then
1:43:00
put them in two little cardboard
boxes, and then had a very small
1:43:05
PC board that we connected to
the back of the visual me and my
1:43:10
mouse in your pocket. My buddy
dick radamachers And we both
1:43:15
worked at the electronic store
so we could steal all the
1:43:17
components.
1:43:20
John C Dvorak: So you're a
Larson, yes, on Saturday, on
1:43:23
Saturdays, that's what happened
to all the pencils over there at
1:43:27
me. Video, it
1:43:29
Adam Curry: worked at
approximately 75 baud, if I
1:43:33
recall. Yeah, sounds about
right. So I could punch a key,
1:43:37
and then that key would show up
on his screen. Finally, he says,
1:43:41
Can I get some jobs karma? After
being a dude named Ben and
1:43:44
leader of Ben for over 21 years,
I was recently let go. If anyone
1:43:47
has an interesting problem to
solve and is looking for an IT
1:43:50
leader that's not afraid of
change, has decades of
1:43:52
infrastructure experience and
actually understands how
1:43:55
computers work. I can be reached
at eight bit. Dot FYI, thank
1:43:59
you. Craig Kohler, aka sir AP
Ben Barron of Southern Indiana,
1:44:03
to be in a few moments. And
thank you very much. And here is
1:44:07
your jobs karma. Hope it works
out for you, brother, jobs,
1:44:10
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs karma,
1:44:19
John C Dvorak: sir becoming
heroic in sharerville, Indiana,
1:44:25
500 and all he says is he wants
to be, sir, becoming heroic
1:44:29
commodore of the unsinkable, two
beautiful it's, we
1:44:34
Adam Curry: shall make it so
anonymous Vista California, $500
1:44:38
in the morning. Gentlemen, I've
been wanting to donate for some
1:44:40
time, and between a recent
promotion and the prospect of a
1:44:43
Commodore title, I couldn't
justify being a douchebag any
1:44:46
longer. Please dedoosh. Me,
1:44:49
Unknown: you've been deduced. I
would
1:44:52
Adam Curry: like to be known as
Commodore Swizzle of the tiki
1:44:55
realms. Thank you both for all
you do no karma and no jingles
1:44:58
and thank you very much.
Anonymous.
1:45:01
John C Dvorak: Sir RJ of grand
point in Grand point or point,
1:45:08
Manitoba, California,
California, Canada. Manitoba,
1:45:12
California. It should be a man.
This should be this $500
1:45:16
donation equals $702.60
Canadians. Thanks. Justin
1:45:22
Trudeau, I missed my normal
3333, donation for my birthday
1:45:28
in July. As I've been working on
my own exit strategy, which is
1:45:31
now complete, between the carbon
tax, GST, PST, labor tax,
1:45:37
business tax, property tax, that
are all charged here in Canada,
1:45:42
I've decided that owning an
independent business isn't worth
1:45:45
all the bullshit anymore. Oh,
man. So at 56 I officially
1:45:50
joined the retired community,
and it's time to enjoy life.
1:45:53
Whoa.
1:45:53
Adam Curry: What's he gonna do?
Putter in the lawn.
1:45:55
John C Dvorak: He's gonna be
puttering in the backyard.
1:45:59
Adam Curry: Dude, there's much
more to do. 56 you're a baby.
1:46:02
You're just getting started.
He's
1:46:04
John C Dvorak: younger than
Adam. Yeah, I've bumped up my
1:46:07
normal donation amount for late
fees. And as a bonus, I get the
1:46:13
Commodore certificate as usual
for my birthday. Can you play
1:46:17
the OG Sharpton clip? Sir RJ of
grand point tonight
1:46:22
Unknown: is the measure of
whether the country begins in
1:46:26
the state of Wisconsin a
national drive to push back, or
1:46:32
whether we have more to go to
build a movement of resistance.
1:46:37
But resist we much, we must, and
we will much about that be
1:46:45
committed to classic that
1:46:48
is one of my favorites.
1:46:50
John C Dvorak: Yes, the classic.
That's what started us off on
1:46:52
the on finding Sharpton stuff.
1:46:54
Adam Curry: He's He's a gem.
He's a gem deserves every penny,
1:46:58
every penny. Yeah, you're always
complaining about how much he
1:47:00
makes every penny he deserves.
We have done well by him. He's
1:47:04
done well by us. Cory Baker is
in Fort Myers flyer Florida,
1:47:08
$500 and he says, should be
enough for a doubleting, double
1:47:12
knighting. Accounting will
follow. And we did not receive
1:47:17
his email from Cory Baker, I
looked, I'm sure you looked. I'm
1:47:21
John C Dvorak: looking now, as a
matter of fact, and I will say
1:47:23
this, so we got a Corey Baker
from May 24 about the newsletter
1:47:26
fiasco. We got a Cory Baker from
another newsletter fail. I guess
1:47:30
he keeps track of this in
October of last year. Nothing
1:47:34
since,
1:47:35
Adam Curry: okay, Corey Baker,
so we will keep it in abeyance
1:47:38
for you, and when you are
clearly you can email us, so
1:47:42
when it shows up, we'll, we'll
take care of
1:47:45
John C Dvorak: you indeed.
Onward with Sir Schwartz in
1:47:51
Langa, Deutsch, Denmark. Ah,
he's in Langa. Denmark, 500 from
1:47:56
Sir Schwartz, now commodore of
Butland. Denmark. E o n,
1:48:04
Unknown: that's it.
1:48:06
John C Dvorak: Perfect. The
comment, all right. Steven
1:48:09
utland, Stephen
1:48:10
Adam Curry: crummy, El Cajon. Am
I saying that right? Yep. El
1:48:14
Cajon. El Cajon, California, 500
this donation not only makes me
1:48:18
a Commodore, but puts me over
the threshold for knighting. Dub
1:48:21
me sir, Steve, protector of the
ERISA. ERISA, ERISA, there we
1:48:26
go. ERISA, E R, i, s, a, oh,
it's the law that governs
1:48:30
pension funds, the
administration of which is my
1:48:32
profession. ERISA, beef
enchiladas and rocks margaritas
1:48:37
at the round table, please. And
how about an F the EU from that
1:48:40
demon Vicky Newland,
1:48:46
there you go. Thank you very
much. See the roundtable
1:48:49
John C Dvorak: you know,
hearkening back on that note we
1:48:51
got from the guy bitching about
our use of that character to
1:48:55
determine the 1701, issue, he
goes on about how it should be
1:49:00
red flagged and this, and that
red flag actually knowing,
1:49:03
knowing all that about the guy
was
1:49:06
Adam Curry: helpful, was good,
it was
1:49:09
John C Dvorak: it hell, because
we we play Vicky Newland clips,
1:49:12
because she does have pertinent
information, and some of it's
1:49:17
coded, and some of it's
necessary messaging, and it's
1:49:20
important to play this stuff,
yes,
1:49:24
Adam Curry: and that's what I
said, is, even though it was
1:49:26
meant as a You guys suck type
email, it really helped me. I
1:49:31
was like, Oh, this makes sense,
1:49:33
John C Dvorak: yes, because it
got you into a rabbit hole. Yes,
1:49:36
that's a helping anybody. Yeah,
it
1:49:39
Adam Curry: was helping. We
figured it out. We figured out.
1:49:42
Iran, hello, oh, I'm not
supposed to say that. People are
1:49:45
saying I say hello too much.
1:49:47
John C Dvorak: Oh, are you? Are
you saying hello too much? Well,
1:49:50
Adam Curry: I went to the
transcript. I said it three
1:49:52
times in the last show, which I
think is too much. Hello, hello.
1:49:56
No So hello. Who
1:49:57
John C Dvorak: says that more
than you do? Mark Levin, Oh,
1:50:02
Hello America. No,
1:50:04
Adam Curry: no. It's, it's not
just hello as in a greeting, but
1:50:07
it's like, hello,
1:50:08
Unknown: hello,
1:50:09
Adam Curry: you know, do you not
get it yet? It's no good. I'm,
1:50:11
what are we drinking?
1:50:13
John C Dvorak: No, no. He's, oh,
this is a Topo Chico. Oh no,
1:50:16
from going back to the classics.
Yes, No. He says it the same way
1:50:20
you're you know, he says it
that. He doesn't say it as a
1:50:22
greeting. He does exactly the
same way you do. We're in the
1:50:26
middle of some say hello, so you
don't know it. Well,
1:50:28
Adam Curry: that's more reason
for me not to do it.
1:50:33
John C Dvorak: No reason for Sir
Mike of ax head watch, oh, in
1:50:37
Clinton Township, Michigan, the
wooden watch guy, yeah, 333,
1:50:43
yes. Three, three. Those watches
are great, by the way, and he's
1:50:46
apparently back in business.
Three, three, 3.33. Dear John
1:50:50
and Adam, I've been quite a time
since I donated. I Since I
1:50:53
haven't had the funds. Oh, due
to some bad deals and bad luck,
1:50:56
I've been unable to keep afford
to keep ax head watch dot shop.
1:51:03
Ax head, watch dot shop open. I
have not been able to get back
1:51:07
to being a dude named Ben in the
mortgage industry since peak
1:51:10
covid. After a year of
unemployment, I became a
1:51:13
forklift certified earlier this
summer, which is, I've driven
1:51:18
forklift, sir, it's
1:51:19
Adam Curry: fun. They're fun to
drive,
1:51:21
John C Dvorak: they're fun to
drive. And then back to steady
1:51:24
employment and income. I didn't
know you had to have a
1:51:26
certificate. I never did. I have
also been once again, now,
1:51:30
because I wasn't a professional,
I drove a fork. That doesn't
1:51:33
mean I was no
1:51:33
Adam Curry: it's probably a
violation of all kinds of labor
1:51:36
laws that you drove it.
1:51:38
John C Dvorak: I have also been,
once again, nominated for the
1:51:41
United States Congress on mi 10,
Michigan district 10. Yeah,
1:51:46
Michigan 10. And I've I'm sorry
at Michigan 10. Now I can afford
1:51:51
to open the online store back
up. Acced Watch, dot shop. I'd
1:51:55
like to encourage promo code
ITM, and it's gone from a 20%
1:51:59
discount to 33% off all wooden
watches. Tax head watch. Dot
1:52:04
shop for my going out of
business sale. So he's going to
1:52:07
get rid of all his watches.
These watches, yeah, we both
1:52:10
have one. You both have one.
They're they're quite unique and
1:52:14
Adam Curry: and if the
apocalypse comes, you can use it
1:52:16
as a handy fire starter.
1:52:20
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I never
thought of that. I do believe he
1:52:22
says, this brings me to Baron. I
would like to be sir Mike of the
1:52:26
Fairfax, liberator of Michigan,
10 Baron of Lichtenstein. Please
1:52:32
provide me with jobs karma for
this election, an upcoming
1:52:36
business, and some sort of
health karma for my smoking hot
1:52:39
wife, Dame Kelly, who is back in
the hospital unfortunately for a
1:52:43
few days. Sir Mike of watch X,
watch head, liberator of
1:52:47
Michigan's 10th district.
1:52:49
Adam Curry: All right for Dame
Kelly, we'll add in a goat.
1:52:51
Jobs,
1:52:52
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs. Karma.
1:53:03
Adam Curry: Sir Jeremy chumpati
is a Associate Executive
1:53:07
Producer today with a run on
number two, three, 4.56,
1:53:11
Oakville, Ontario. ITM
gentlemen. It's my 62nd
1:53:15
birthday. It falls on a podcast
day. It would be remiss of me
1:53:18
not to donate. Thank you for
your courage, sir Jeremy
1:53:21
chimfatti Baronet, fatty
Oakville, Ontario, candinavia.
1:53:25
All right, you're on the list.
1:53:28
John C Dvorak: I'll tell you, if
you like to burp a lot, this
1:53:31
Adam Curry: way to go, it'll do
it. It'll do it. I know it's
1:53:35
very, very bubbly.
1:53:37
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in will
Williston, North Dakota, 210,
1:53:42
60. A little over a year ago, I
made an investment over $10,000
1:53:47
as someone who was supposed to
mentor me with starting a
1:53:50
business without going into
detail, it's obviously it's run
1:53:53
off with all my money. Oh no,
that sucks. It's within the
1:53:59
limits to file in small claims
court, which I could do myself,
1:54:02
but I'm really looking for
someone in the community to help
1:54:05
me out with with with it, if
they have some legal expertise,
1:54:09
hopefully for free, small
claims. You know, I
1:54:13
Adam Curry: thought Small Claims
had a limit of 5000 is as
1:54:17
John C Dvorak: on this it
depends on the jurisdiction.
1:54:19
Okay, in most states, I think it
is 5000 interesting, and it's
1:54:23
pretty easy to win. It
1:54:24
Adam Curry: is you just file it,
you're probably gonna win. Yeah,
1:54:28
John C Dvorak: I can do all the
legwork with legwork, but advice
1:54:31
concerning the red tape and
pitfalls would help me out. It's
1:54:34
not really that many. It would
really just come down to
1:54:37
exchanging some emails here and
there and just putting out and
1:54:41
just putting it out there. If
someone got the time, I if I get
1:54:48
my money back, I'm going to be a
big donator. Thanks to all you
1:54:52
do every one else, please donate
now. Okay, he's given us no
1:54:56
information, as he's anonymous.
Yeah, that's really helpful.
1:54:59
How. Is anyone supposed to help
you?
1:55:03
Adam Curry: Maybe Jay has his
information so you can email
1:55:07
notes at no agenda show.net, if
you think you can help him out.
1:55:12
John C Dvorak: Yeah, maybe that
might work and they just do
1:55:16
that. It won't hurt. And
1:55:17
Adam Curry: there's Eli the
coffee guy from bensonville,
1:55:19
Illinois. We are just about
rounding up our list here,
1:55:22
Associate Executive Producer at
two, oh 9.29, and Eli says
1:55:26
things on the national and world
stage continue to become more
1:55:29
interesting in the lead up to
the US election, one of my
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customers, a grizzled Nam vet,
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I told him, I don't know if you
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coffee guy. Oh, and he has a
1:56:06
jingle here. What is, what is
BDSM, don't enslave me. Kamala,
1:56:13
I don't understand, but just
1:56:15
John C Dvorak: don't. It's just
that don't enslave me. Camel, as
1:56:18
a
1:56:20
Unknown: bondage, don't enslave
1:56:22
me. Camel,
1:56:22
Adam Curry: there you go.
Camela, yeah, racist, racist
1:56:26
kid, mispronouncing her name on
purpose.
1:56:29
John C Dvorak: Linda loupatkins
comes in from Lakewood,
1:56:32
Colorado, as usual, and
surprisingly enough, she asks
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for jobs karma, and then she
says for a faster, more
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Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's
1:57:00
Adam Curry: vote for jobs. All
right, we rounded out with one
1:57:03
final donation. Associate
Executive Producer, $200 from
1:57:07
Stefan Anders in Munchen
Deutschland. Hello Deutschland.
1:57:11
Here's the Hoff. And he says,
Thank you from Munich Germany,
1:57:14
Stefan, Stefan, thank you, and
thank you to all of our
1:57:18
executive and Associate
Executive producers who have
1:57:20
helped us out here today is very
much appreciated. Of course, we
1:57:24
appreciate any treasure you can
send in our value for value,
1:57:28
model, time, talent, treasure,
any amount is okay with us. Just
1:57:31
send whatever value got out of
the show back to us, and we will
1:57:35
be very grateful. Thanks again
to these execs and associate
1:57:37
execs of Episode 1699,
1:57:40
Unknown: our formula is this, we
go out. We hit people in the
1:57:45
mouth. Shut
1:57:57
Adam Curry: up. No agenda
donations.com. No agenda
1:58:00
donations.com. You I
1:58:04
John C Dvorak: have a little
three clipper on election fraud.
1:58:07
That's kind of interesting. But
before we do that, I do have my
1:58:12
every show a I Kevin Gavin
Newsom
1:58:18
Adam Curry: to see if you can
get arrested
1:58:21
John C Dvorak: because you are
breaking legal break,
1:58:22
Adam Curry: breaking California
law, breaking the law.
1:58:25
John C Dvorak: Every clip is a
scofflaw. So here he is. I This
1:58:32
one came out about it two weeks
ago, and I missed it. This is a
1:58:35
news I didn't realize that
Newsom's endorsing Trump. Today.
1:58:38
I'm
1:58:38
Unknown: here to do something
that some may think or believe
1:58:40
is unheard of. Yes, the news
reports are correct. I Gavin
1:58:43
Newsom, am here to endorse none
other than Donald J Trump for
1:58:47
President of the United States.
Trump's got this knack for
1:58:51
making America the center of
attention, whether it's on
1:58:54
Twitter or on the global stage.
He's like that friend who always
1:58:57
has the best stories at dinner,
who wouldn't want that kind of
1:59:00
energy. But seriously, in this
endorsement, I see an
1:59:03
opportunity, an opportunity for
dialog, for understanding, for
1:59:07
maybe, just maybe, finding
common ground. Trump is hands
1:59:11
down, the best candidate in this
race. Because if there's one
1:59:13
thing I've learned in politics,
it's that sometimes you've got
1:59:16
to dance with the one who
brought you, or in this case,
1:59:19
the one who's brought the most
entertainment, Trump 2024
1:59:24
Adam Curry: it's pretty good.
It's pretty good. Now, did you
1:59:26
just find this? Or did you make
1:59:28
John C Dvorak: I actually
searched for it. The his, I
1:59:33
think, is, I think his on this
one, I think the speed and
1:59:37
cadence is a little faster than
it should be. Yes, it is. He
1:59:40
doesn't quite talk that fast,
but it's good, and I can see why
1:59:44
this, something like this would
would upset him before
1:59:47
Adam Curry: you move to the
election fraud. Just to wrap up
1:59:51
the AI, I'd like to play one
clip, because there have been
1:59:56
some developments that need
brief discussion amongst us.
1:59:59
Unknown: Open. AI, the world's
most valuable AI startup has
2:00:02
lost another chief executive,
Chief Technology Officer, Mira
2:00:06
Marathi, is one of more than 20
key staff who've departed this
2:00:10
year, leaving CEO Sam Altman
with just one of his fellow co
2:00:13
founders. Is it a real problem
or just growing pains? Let's ask
2:00:18
technology editor Peter O'Brien,
Peter open, AI, currently trying
2:00:22
to raise a lot of money. So
surely this can't look good for
2:00:26
investors. Hi,
2:00:27
Caris, well, you're right. Open,
AI, at the moment, they're
2:00:30
trying to get about six and a
half billion US dollars from
2:00:33
investors hoping to close that
round by the end of next week.
2:00:36
That would value them at 150
billion US dollars. I think
2:00:41
let's just start off by putting
that into context, because it's
2:00:44
a tall order. What they're
asking for that would almost
2:00:47
double their their value. It
would also put them just not too
2:00:52
far behind something like
SpaceX, which has launched about
2:00:54
95 rockets into space this year.
And, you know, obviously behind
2:01:00
the third place behind the byte
dance for Jones Tiktok, which
2:01:03
has a billion monthly active
users worldwide. So yes, they're
2:01:08
wanting to be really, really one
of the three big, big startups
2:01:11
in the world. And it doesn't
exactly inspire confidence that
2:01:15
there have been all of these
departures from open AI, but
2:01:19
we've also seen further reports
this week that OpenAI is looking
2:01:23
to restructure into a for profit
with a nonprofit arm, changing
2:01:28
from its current format, which
is a nonprofit with a rather
2:01:32
large for profit arm. What does
this mean? This really means
2:01:35
that investors are probably
going to start thinking actually
2:01:38
they are more interested in my
return on investment, then their
2:01:42
current very nebulous goal of
trying to create an AI for all
2:01:47
of humanity, which is smarter
than humanity, but which is also
2:01:50
safe and beneficial, right? The
investors want a return
2:01:53
eventually, and a shift to a for
profit structure would give some
2:01:57
confidence.
2:01:58
Adam Curry: They've brought in
the Saudis for this round, which
2:02:01
means they're really desperate.
In my book, Apple dropped out of
2:02:08
this investment round, like,
Nah, we're not going to
2:02:10
participate. And from what I
understand, you don't even get
2:02:14
stock. You get some a new
concept called PP, us, which is
2:02:19
profit participation units,
2:02:23
Unknown: not even a warrant,
2:02:26
Adam Curry: wow. So when they
start to make profit, okay, the
2:02:30
Saudis, the Saudis, of course, I
mean, Microsoft is going to put
2:02:34
another billion in in compute.
So it's not actually money, you
2:02:38
know, there is
2:02:39
John C Dvorak: some some time,
yes,
2:02:41
Adam Curry: some, some, some
time. Computer time. Yeah, but
2:02:46
like the old mainframe days.
Hey, man,
2:02:48
John C Dvorak: I'm reminded,
since the app you said Apple
2:02:50
dropped out, I have you seen
this commercial where, uh,
2:02:55
promoting, of course, the non
existent Apple intelligence AI,
2:02:59
where there's a girl, she's at a
party. She looks around the
2:03:02
corner and she sees some guy,
oh, and the guy standing there,
2:03:06
she's she knows she recognizes
him from another party from
2:03:09
maybe a month ago. So she she
turns around and hides behind a
2:03:15
a wall, and then grabs her phone
and says to the phone, hey, what
2:03:20
was the name of that guy that I
met at that party a month ago?
2:03:26
Unknown: Yeah,
2:03:27
Adam Curry: have you seen this?
No, no.
2:03:30
John C Dvorak: She says, What
was the name of the guy at that
2:03:32
party a month ago? This is an
Apple commercial. Yes, an Apple
2:03:36
commercial. And then the phone
comes back, oh, that's Zach such
2:03:40
and such. No, and she goes into
she turns around and gets past
2:03:44
the wall, and as a guy comes up
to her says, Hey, Zach, how you
2:03:47
doing? He saw I'm surprised you
remembered my name. No. And I'm
2:03:51
thinking, what bull crap.
2:03:54
Unknown: Oh, man,
2:03:55
Are they kidding? I guess not.
I'm
2:04:01
John C Dvorak: not the only I've
seen this commercial twice now.
2:04:03
Adam Curry: I'm looking for it
on YouTube. I don't see it
2:04:09
John C Dvorak: well when you'll
see if you watch, well, you
2:04:12
don't watch as much network TV
as I do. So you might not
2:04:15
Adam Curry: know, just on the on
the Apple film, on the Apple
2:04:18
thing, Rob, you have to
2:04:19
John C Dvorak: be an idiot to
believe that this could even
2:04:21
happen.
2:04:23
Adam Curry: Robert, who was
listening to us on Episode 1698
2:04:29
said I was yelling at my phone.
I was yelling at my phone
2:04:32
because you were talking about
if Apple made that Sarco pod,
2:04:38
you know, the death pod that
they used in Switzerland, yeah,
2:04:44
yeah. The pod, yeah. And he said
the name, obviously would be
2:04:47
called Die pod, hello. He said,
Hello. Not me. He said, The die
2:04:54
the die pod, like, Where were
you in the troll room? Man,
2:04:59
that's.
2:05:00
John C Dvorak: That's a good
line you would have and you
2:05:01
would have taken credit for it.
No, no,
2:05:04
Adam Curry: no, no, no, see, I
even gave him credit right here.
2:05:06
I can give him credit right
here. I
2:05:08
John C Dvorak: have one letter
to read, since you're bringing
2:05:10
this sort of thing up. This from
producer Chris. He says, I know
2:05:14
it's probably too late for
today. Apparently, it's not. But
2:05:17
I wanted to address the CEO of
norvo novo, Nordisk. Novo
2:05:23
Nordisk stating before Congress
that insurance companies control
2:05:27
drug prices. We talked about
this in the last show.
2:05:30
Ultimately you say, you could
say they do, like a grocery
2:05:34
store determines the prices of a
can of soup after a sale and
2:05:37
allowing a coupon, but the drug
companies absolutely control
2:05:41
where the price of a drug enters
the market. Drug companies set
2:05:44
the average wholesale price,
AWP, let's say 1000 a month.
2:05:48
Then they sell the drug to
wholesalers at some price less
2:05:52
than that, let's say 700 is the
wholesale acquisition caused
2:05:55
whack, which is then inflated a
bit when selling to pharmacies.
2:06:00
And there are middlemen
involved. Insurers set their
2:06:03
prices a percentage of the AWP,
and going on and on. He says, if
2:06:06
no vote, Nordisk wanted to set
the price of ozempic at 50 bucks
2:06:11
a month, they could they
absolutely control lowering the
2:06:15
AWP, which would cascade through
the market as much as lower
2:06:17
price, as to a lower price of
the consumers, saying insurers
2:06:21
are ultimately responsible for
the price of a drug is akin to
2:06:24
saying car dealers are
responsible for the price of a
2:06:27
car and ignoring what their cost
is to acquire it from the
2:06:30
manufacturer, sir. Chris Good
2:06:32
Unknown: point, thank you, sir.
Chris Good point.
2:06:37
Adam Curry: Anyway, I'm just
going to double down. Actually,
2:06:40
I have a text group. I got text
group with the oil baron and my
2:06:46
buddy Vic in Dallas, and use
NET. That's IRC, baby. Use net.
2:06:54
What was the other one? What was
the other something? Fido. Fido
2:07:01
net, Fido net, Fido net. We were
on Fido net the other day and,
2:07:06
and I'm like, This AI is going
to collapse. And then, you know,
2:07:10
they're posting back, like, oh,
yeah, that's like Steve Ballmer
2:07:13
said no one will want the the
mobile phone. He's like, gonna
2:07:17
add you to this list. And, okay,
okay, they're believers, not
2:07:23
John C Dvorak: the oil. Yeah,
most people are. I tend to
2:07:27
believe you're so far ahead of
the curve on this that is going
2:07:30
to go a lot farther than you
think. Ah, but
2:07:33
Adam Curry: they're having
trouble with this round apples.
2:07:36
Apples dropping out already. The
2:07:39
John C Dvorak: round is
ludicrous. They're asking for
2:07:41
too much. But
2:07:42
Adam Curry: they need the money
to keep it, to keep the scam
2:07:44
going. They have to keep coming
out with, oh, did you
2:07:47
strawberry? Oh, it's the latest
strawberries, the best. Go in
2:07:50
and ask chat, GPT strawberries.
How many? How many states have
2:07:58
an M in it? They don't come back
with with, you know, like Rhode
2:08:02
Island. I mean, it's so it's
stupid. There's no I in the AI.
2:08:09
John C Dvorak: It's artificial.
It has an N in it. Island, an M,
2:08:13
an M, M, Michael, M, M, and
Rhode Island, okay, yeah. So,
2:08:19
okay,
2:08:21
Adam Curry: that's all fine.
It's all good. I'm just you're
2:08:24
just not
2:08:24
John C Dvorak: telling you
you're way ahead of the curve on
2:08:27
I agree with you. I know
2:08:28
Adam Curry: you do, but I don't
think I'm that far ahead of the
2:08:30
curve. I think you're farther
than you should be. What do you
2:08:34
think it is then you think they
can do another year of this, two
2:08:37
years, two years, two
2:08:39
John C Dvorak: years into the
Trump presidency.
2:08:43
Adam Curry: Well, Trump has
bought in with, oh, we need all
2:08:46
kinds of Power. Power. Need
power for this. We're going to
2:08:49
have huge data centers, which I
don't know what we're going to
2:08:52
do with them. Well,
2:08:53
John C Dvorak: what's going to
happen after AI collapses and
2:08:55
you have all this extra excess
energy, it's going to be a boon.
2:08:59
It's good. Well,
2:09:00
Adam Curry: there's a, I know,
edge sword here. It
2:09:02
John C Dvorak: could be a boon
to the economy, because all of
2:09:04
free energy, energy is a big
deal, but it could also collapse
2:09:08
the whole place. No, we'll
2:09:09
Adam Curry: be mining Bitcoin,
2:09:14
Unknown: at least I will.
2:09:16
John C Dvorak: I found three
clips on election fraud on PBS
2:09:19
that I thought were it's a PBS
or NPO, PBS, PBS, PBS that I
2:09:27
thought were fascinating because
it, it brings up this dominion,
2:09:32
because the idiocy of the whole
idea of Dominion having a
2:09:35
machine that basically fills out
the ballot for you. It acts as a
2:09:40
middleman. I think this is the
machine I used in Albany. Last
2:09:43
man in the middle. It's a man in
the middle. It's a man in the
2:09:46
middle machine. And it's kind of
stupid, but for some reason,
2:09:50
everyone's using them. And it's
like, yeah,
2:09:53
Adam Curry: gee, what? What
reason could California have to
2:09:56
be using them? Let me think the.
2:10:00
John C Dvorak: Let's play these
three. These are clips that
2:10:02
they're excessively long but,
but I thought were interesting
2:10:05
enough that I could make long
clips.
2:10:10
Adam Curry: Was that a cue? Yes.
What
2:10:12
Unknown: was pretty obvious
primary election day in Bartow
2:10:15
County, Georgia, and election
workers are conducting a logic
2:10:19
and accuracy test of computers
that stand between voters and
2:10:24
their ballots where
2:10:25
it says Text Size, touch theft
and then do big, big.
2:10:30
They
2:10:31
are image cast X ballot marking
devices or BMDS made by Dominion
2:10:36
voting systems. Everyone who
votes in person in Georgia uses
2:10:41
one of these touchscreen
computers to record their
2:10:44
choices and then prints a marked
paper ballot, which gets scanned
2:10:49
and tabulated. So are these
machines worth the added cost
2:10:53
and complexity I advocated for
them. Joseph Kirk is the
2:10:58
election supervisor here. He
says the ballot marking devices
2:11:02
offer advantages over paper
ballots marked by hand guides
2:11:07
the voter through the process.
It makes sure that there's no
2:11:10
question about their intent. A
small
2:11:12
percentage of selections on hand
marked ballots are disqualified
2:11:17
because voters make ambiguous
markings. Dominion's ballot
2:11:21
marking devices may address that
issue, but many election
2:11:25
security experts say they inject
stubborn uncertainties into the
2:11:29
voting process. Fundamentally,
it's
2:11:32
a problem anytime that you're
going to put a potentially
2:11:35
vulnerable computer between the
voter and the only records of
2:11:40
their vote. J
2:11:42
Alex Halderman is a professor of
Electrical Engineering and
2:11:45
Computer Science at the
University of Michigan. He is
2:11:49
among those who advocate for
hand marked paper ballots. I
2:11:53
guess it seems ironic that the
best computer scientists in the
2:11:57
world will tell you the best
technology for an election is
2:12:01
pen and paper. Well, that's
2:12:03
that's absolutely right. And the
reason for that is we, we know
2:12:08
how paper can be secured. We
know how digital systems can be
2:12:13
attacked.
2:12:14
Adam Curry: Wow, for PBS, that's
impressive. Is this. So does
2:12:17
this all stem from the hanging
chads? Is that why the computers
2:12:21
were brought into it, or just
purely hanging
2:12:24
John C Dvorak: chads goes way
back, but I think it has to do
2:12:26
with people smudging or, you
know, when they I don't know
2:12:29
what really, I don't. There's no
real reason, as far as I'm
2:12:32
concerned, except, but they do
this, and I'm thinking, and I've
2:12:35
used the machine so I can tell
you what you do. You go in
2:12:38
there, you do the voting on the
machine, and then it prints out
2:12:42
the ballot. Yeah. You want
2:12:44
Adam Curry: paper with the
votes, and you look it over.
2:12:46
John C Dvorak: You look it over,
and the vote you voted for this
2:12:49
guy, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,
yep. And then you stick it in
2:12:53
the you file it, and they then
it counts it. Wait,
2:12:57
Adam Curry: wait, don't you
stick it in a machine that
2:13:00
counts it? Well, the machine,
2:13:01
John C Dvorak: yeah. So you
stick it in machine accounts,
2:13:03
and it should just count it,
yeah. So where do you think
2:13:06
that's it? That's
2:13:07
Adam Curry: where. That's where
the problem is. Is in the No,
2:13:12
John C Dvorak: that's what I
thought it might be a problem in
2:13:14
the counting machine. This, when
I heard this, this next part,
2:13:19
what, what the real problem is
because, because you can go back
2:13:23
and make these, you can see what
I did. I voted here and I voted
2:13:26
there, and I had this. Next time
I do this, I'm going to vote by
2:13:29
hand. I'm going to go in and
vote. I'm going to take a
2:13:32
picture of the ballot, because
of the little interesting the
2:13:35
gotcha in here.
2:13:36
Adam Curry: Are you allowed to
take your camera into the
2:13:39
polling booth? I don't think why
not? I don't think you're
2:13:41
allowed. Why not? Well, because
you have exactly what you're
2:13:45
saying. Because they don't want
any evidence.
2:13:49
John C Dvorak: I have seen no
signage of any sort saying I
2:13:52
can't have a camera in my
private little voting booth,
2:13:56
they
2:13:56
Adam Curry: have signs it here
in Texas where we vote, no
2:14:00
cameras, no guns, which is a big
bummer. Well, the
2:14:03
John C Dvorak: guns I can see
enough to play on a second. Let
2:14:07
Adam Curry: me pull all these
guns out. No, I don't think you,
2:14:10
I don't think you can use
2:14:11
John C Dvorak: I see. No, I've
never seen such a sign, and I
2:14:14
don't see why it would make a
difference. All right, I'll
2:14:16
Adam Curry: bill you out. Don't
worry. We got you. Thank
2:14:18
John C Dvorak: you. Thank you.
You're a friend. Yeah, I
2:14:21
Adam Curry: am friend. We're
friends. So we're good friends.
2:14:23
Bail each other out.
2:14:25
John C Dvorak: You wouldn't at
first glance, you know you do
2:14:28
what you just said is what I
logically would think too. But
2:14:31
no, it turns out there's a more
interesting way of cheating that
2:14:36
I was like, what the
2:14:38
Unknown: risks aren't even
comparable.
2:14:40
Halderman has spent a lot of
time studying the risks. He is
2:14:44
an expert witness for the
plaintiffs in a pending federal
2:14:47
lawsuit seeking an injunction
against using the current voting
2:14:51
system. Halderman says he and
his team found nine
2:14:55
vulnerabilities in the Dominion
system. We met at a law office
2:14:59
in Atlanta. In March, he showed
me some of what he demonstrated
2:15:03
in open court.
2:15:05
We thought like an attacker,
what would an attacker want to
2:15:09
do? How could an attacker
circumvent the layers of
2:15:12
protection that are in this
machine and in a real polling
2:15:15
place? Halderman
2:15:16
demonstrated a few seemingly
easy ways to breach the security
2:15:21
of the Dominion ballot marking
device. He used a pen to recycle
2:15:25
the power which gave him
administrative control of the
2:15:28
computer, and he used a widely
available USB device favored by
2:15:33
computer security experts and
hackers to rewrite the software
2:15:38
of the machine. All of this
mischief could occur without an
2:15:43
obvious trace. That's because
the scanner that tabulates the
2:15:47
votes does not look at the human
readable text. Instead, it
2:15:51
derives its data from this QR
code.
2:15:55
We can change just the QR code
and leave all of the voter
2:15:59
visible text identical to what
the voter entered on screen. So
2:16:03
as a voter, there's nothing at
all that you can see that's
2:16:06
going to indicate there was a
problem. Halderman
2:16:09
and his team worry that the
hacks could propagate through an
2:16:12
entire county, or even
statewide, while the ballot
2:16:16
marking devices are not directly
plugged into the Internet as
2:16:21
they are updated and operated,
they regularly exchange data
2:16:24
with online systems through USB
memory sticks and smart cards
2:16:30
that
2:16:30
can potentially provide a route
for hackers far away on the
2:16:34
internet to gain access to BMDS.
The kinds of attackers that
2:16:38
worry me in this scenario
includes some of the most
2:16:42
sophisticated adversaries in the
world, foreign governments, gov