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John C Dvorak: It's over the
hill. Adam curry. John C Dvorak,
Adam Curry: Sunday, September 29
2024 this is your award winning
gibo nation. Media
assassination, Episode 1699,
Unknown: this is no agenda,
Adam Curry: celebrating climate
week and broadcasting live from
the heart of the Texas new
country, right here in FEMA
Region. Number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry
John C Dvorak: for Northern
Silicon Valley, where we're all
saying, stop advertising and
promoting gambling to the
American public. I'm John C
Dvorak. It's Craig
Unknown: Vaughn and buzzkill in
the morning,
Adam Curry: I hear it's very bad
for people.
Unknown: Yeah, I've heard that
too.
Adam Curry: It's like, it gets
people all addicted, and then
they lose all their money. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yeah. But Mimi
used to. Mimi used to when she
was younger. Was a kid, high
school, I guess she used to live
in Reno. Oh, boy, she's and she
says she shot
Adam Curry: a man in Reno just
to watch him die, didn't she?
She
John C Dvorak: remembers these
new kids that would come into
the high school, yeah. And then
they within six months, the one
or two of the parents had a gap
immediately, gambling habit,
sure. And they had to leave the
city, had to move back to
California, Iowa, or wherever
they came from, because they
were, they just went broke. But
people are so pathetic. She lost
a lot of friends. They have some
friends. And the next thing you
know, they had to move out of
the state because they couldn't
maintain a, you know, a normal
life.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad that
you're sharing this with us, so
everybody can check themselves,
check yourself, people.
John C Dvorak: Well, I got, got
why I said this is because I'm
watching the football stuff
today, you know, in the morning,
before the game started, and
they have all these different
analysts Come on, and they're
all recommending various bets.
This is on the sports shows,
Adam Curry: just doing it in the
in the content of the show
itself. Now,
John C Dvorak: yes, it's gone
that bad. They have DraftKings
and all these couple, two,
three, these gambling
operations. And they're, it's
not even legal in California,
but still, really. And they're,
they're just promoting bets.
They're promoting people to
throw money away. Do
Adam Curry: they have prop bets?
My favorite prop bet? Yes. Prop
bets, mostly prop, almost
John C Dvorak: everything's a
prop bet.
Adam Curry: Hey, are they coming
to take you away. What's with
all the sirens?
John C Dvorak: I don't know. You
know, this has been, it's been
like living in New York.
Adam Curry: It's because Kamala
was in town.
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
it is, but there's a lot of
Sirens of late. Yeah,
Adam Curry: you know, Kamala was
in town, and it was, it was, it
was quite the spectacle.
John C Dvorak: Yes, I saw that.
I maybe have some clips I do. I
saw I saw the news coverage.
It's pathetic.
Unknown: Vice President Kamala
Harris is here, but her trip
tonight into San Francisco might
have had an obstacle or two. Our
crews spotted a way low vehicle
that had to be driven away from
the motorcade route by police.
Vice President Kamala Harris
makes what could be her final
visit to California before the
election. A little after 830
Friday evening, the VP touched
down at SFO as her motorcade
arrived at the Fairmont San
Francisco an autonomous Waymo
got stuck making a turn. The San
Francisco police officer had to
manually drive the vehicle out
of the way.
Adam Curry: That's great some
way. Mo advertisement there.
That's good, that's good, yeah,
and I guess she went to the
border. Was that the California,
Mexico border that she went to?
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
thought it was Arizona. Oh,
Adam Curry: I just presumed that
it was California. That was
John C Dvorak: yesterday, I
think, and it was like it was a
nothing burger, kind
Adam Curry: of you said nothing
burger? No, I
John C Dvorak: did. I appreciate
it on purpose. And so she goes
there, and then she starts
blaming Trump for all the border
issues.
Adam Curry: Yes, this is, well,
she I have this short clip where
this is just one of those
unbelievable things that she
says is great. Earlier
Unknown: in the day, Harris made
her first trip to the border in
Arizona in years. Harris
expressed a tougher stance on
illegal immigration. She spoke
with local Border Patrol Leaders
as they walked along the wall.
There are consequential
issues at stake in this
election, and one is the
security of our border. The
United States is a sovereign
nation, and I believe we have a
duty to set rules at our border
and to enforce them.
John C Dvorak: Wow. Okay, you
know, the funny thing about that
I didn't get that I saw that
clip. I should have grabbed it.
I'm glad you did, because I'm
giving you a clip of the day,
because that is unbelievable.
Oh, thank you
Adam Curry: very much. Well,
Bob, I have clips I think, and
I'll do it.
John C Dvorak: I don't think so.
Well, I mean, this morning, not
to the height of hypocrisy.
Adam Curry: Oh no, no, no, not.
And by the way, for people who
tune in like, Hey, I listen to
that no agenda show, sounds like
they got an agenda. Yes, we're
against idiots. We're against
liars, liars and idiots. Which
former President Trump takes it
to the next level. This is the
clip that was being played all
morning on the M 5m Joe
Unknown: Biden became mentally
impaired. Kamala was born that
way.
Adam Curry: So of course, none
of them played it in context,
which we will do now we will do
yes, of course, borders
Unknown: are Harris went to the
border to lie in the most
shameless and horrible way
possible. At the very site where
she released so much suffering,
misery and death, there's no
greater act of disloyalty than
to extinguish the sovereignty of
your own nation, right through
your border, no matter what lie
she tells, Kamala Harris can
never be forgiven for her
erasing our border, and she must
never be allowed to become
President of the United States.
She must never be allowed that's
over 647,572 migrant criminals
who Kamala set loose to rape,
pillage, thieve, plunder, and
kill the people of the United
States of America, and they're
not going to change. They're
only going to get worse. They're
only going to get worse. And our
law enforcement system, we have
the greatest in the world, but
our people are told not to do
their jobs. We don't want you to
do anything. And they come from
tough systems. They're going to
love our system. Kamala is
mentally impaired. Every
Republican did what she did,
every Republican did what she
did, that Republican would be
impeached and removed from
office, and rightfully so. Joe
Biden became mentally impaired.
Kamala was born that way. She
was born that way. I
and if you think about it, only
a mentally disabled person could
have allowed this to happen to
our country. Anybody would know
this?
Adam Curry: Yeah. So a little
more context.
John C Dvorak: It's a much
better clip in context. Oh,
Adam Curry: of course it is. It
also makes more sense. But
that's not what they do. That's
not what the media does. And by
the way, just because, you know,
there's always people who say,
Yo, Trump, he never lies, right?
He never lies.
John C Dvorak: You must have got
some nasty email this morning.
Adam Curry: That's just the
troll room. What are you talking
No, no, I
John C Dvorak: want to mention
something that, since you
brought that into that clip,
which is the number of, you
know, the, I guess somebody in
ice decided to release the
numbers, yeah, of number of
known criminals that have been
released into the country, the
hundreds of 1000s, basically.
And so this morning, I'm you
know, because this is based on a
note somebody sent me early this
morning, actually, about how
Margaret Hoover is actually kind
of a, not really a conservative,
and she's interviewing Hillary
in a new, oh
Adam Curry: yeah, I haven't seen
it yet, in the frontline,
frontline interview
John C Dvorak: firing line. She
Adam Curry: needs to lay off the
lip gloss.
John C Dvorak: Well, Hoover has
always been kind of a bogus,
conservative. She's an old, some
old school style. I'm
Adam Curry: just saying just as
a as a production, television
production. Tip back off, on the
lip gloss, Hoover, it looks
creepy. Well,
John C Dvorak: she's creepy,
yeah, so maybe you're
projecting. Okay, okay, creepy,
yes, and pretty, but creepy. The
other one in this category, and
I should mention, because it's a
pet peeve of mine, is Shannon
Bream, yes, who always thought
it was the one of the prettiest
girls on Fox ever, and but she's
exactly and once she gets off of
Fox, I'm telling you, she's
going to turn into another
Margaret Hoover, because I was
watching today, she was
interviewing a senator from
Georgia, and they brought up
this issue of all these, these
criminals that were released
into the country and out of the
blue. And I didn't get a clip
because it was still done,
finished, but she did say the
she said, Oh, well, you that
doesn't take into account all of
those that have been
incarcerated, just just what?
Just just this comment, huh. And
it was like, why you even? What
does that get to do with
anything? And she's and bream
was the one, it
Adam Curry: was on now, one we
call the bream Queen bream
John C Dvorak: was on Gutfeld.
And. They were talking about
lawfare and how these five cases
against Trump all kind of
happened at the same time with
all a bunch of people that quit
the Justice Department and gone
to these different areas to all
do this all at once, indictments
of Trump and bremo. No, no,
there's no way that's a coin.
That's just a coincidence.
Adam Curry: Really, what is she
doing?
John C Dvorak: She is a she is
an Ajahn provocateur. She should
not be out at Fox at all, but
she's got this, you know, nice
smile and you're making like a
fox girl. That's
Adam Curry: why she's at Fox. We
know Fox is no good. It's no
better than the rest.
John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, I know.
I'm just trying to, I I'm
normalizing the concept that
she's, you know, that, yeah, I
agree at at a base levels, that
sucks. Is no good. But anyway, I
just that was a pet peeve of
mine. I got, got out of this,
out of the system.
Adam Curry: And unfortunately,
when, when Trump went through
that list, he said he forgot to
say, they rob you forgot, and
they forgot. They're eating the
dogs. He should just throw that
in from time to time. I miss
that.
John C Dvorak: Have you seen the
tick tocks of all these girls
dancing to a to a mix of he's
they're eating the dogs. They're
eating the cats.
Adam Curry: I've, I've seen
different mixes of their eating
the cats eating dogs, but
haven't seen the girls dancing
to it, because, John, that's
John C Dvorak: your Tiktok
dipshit dancers.
Adam Curry: Is that like the
solid gold dancers? The Tiktok
dipshit dancers? Yeah, exactly.
It's
John C Dvorak: a new version.
Adam Curry: So right on cue with
this news that there's over
600,000 criminals Aurora
Colorado, I guess they put out a
press release, and I I guess
they haven't, or from what I
understand, they have a new
police guy. Like, did they throw
out the old guy? And we missed
that, because I think in this
report, it says there's a new
police chief.
John C Dvorak: I didn't hear
this either. Oh, well,
Adam Curry: this so listen to
how they downplay the apartment
complex issue. Good
Unknown: evening and thank you
for joining us for Denver Seven
News at Five on this Friday. I'm
Jessica Porter
and I'm Jason grenauer. First,
Aurora officials are threatening
to close two apartment complexes
over safety concerns they say
include an uptick in crime and
deterioration.
Denver seven's Veronica Costa
got the internal communications
where officials recommend the
management company
Adam Curry: notice they got
addresses internal
communications. Yeah, that's a
leak internal
Unknown: communications where
officials recommend the
management company addresses the
quote, criminal nuisance or face
the
Adam Curry: consequences. It's
criminal nuisance. See, it's in
our internal communications.
It's not TDA, it's no gang. It's
just criminal nuisance. Two
apartment
Unknown: complexes in Aurora
with dozens of people living in
them could suffer the same fate
as the apartments on 1568 gnome
Street, which was shut down
weeks ago. The Edge of Lowry and
200 Columbia apartment complexes
are the target of two letters
signed by aurora's new chief of
police, Todd Chamberlain,
deeming them quote criminal
nuisance properties in violation
of Aurora city code. The letters
sent last Friday point to an
uptick in violent crime in the
physical condition of the
properties as public safety
concerns saying they could close
as soon as september 30, if
conditions continue,
John C Dvorak: it's a nuisance.
It's just a criminal the way
they downplay it. That was
actually quite good. Well,
that's
Adam Curry: what you do with it.
When an internal communication
suddenly winds up at the six
o'clock local news on Denver
seven. I mean, yeah, of course,
a criminal nuisance, the real
nuisance, which I'm so happy I
got a clip of this, because I've
only been hearing about it and
and been seeing the the
headlines. And this is about the
looming strike, which would kick
off on Tuesday of the long the
long wish of the Longshoremen.
Oh, that one, that's a bad one.
And yes, it is quite bad. And I
found on the What's up with
shipping podcasts, which, of
course, I subscribe to my modern
podcast, kudos, yes, what's up
with the guy's actually good.
There's a couple of these.
There's an ag show like, you
know, what's up with agriculture
this week? This is where you get
some some decent news. And the
what's up with shipping podcast?
They didn't have the guy on, but
they had an interview with the
union president the East Gulf
Coast longshoreman union. And so
two clips. The first one is a
little. The second one's short.
The union president explains,
first of all, why they want
they're going on strike, and
seems like it's still
unresolved. At this hour, it's
still unresolved. So anything
could change and what that will
mean.
Unknown: But today's world, it's
changing into the future.
They're not making millions. No
more. They're making billions,
and they're spending it fast as
they make it. I want a piece of
that for my men, because when
they made their most money was
during covid, when my men had to
go to work on those piers every
single day, when everybody
stayed home and went to work.
Not my men. They died out there
with the virus. We all got sick
with the virus. We kept them
going from Canada to Maine and
Texas, Great Lakes, Puerto Rico,
now the Bahamas, everybody went
to work during covid. Nobody
stayed home. Well, I want to be
compensated for that. I'm not
asking for the world. They know
what I want. They know what they
want, and if they don't, no,
then I have to go into the
street, and we have to fight for
what we rightfully deserve.
These people today don't know
what a Shrike is, right? When my
men hit the streets from Maine
to Texas, every single port are
locked down. You know what's
going to happen. I'll tell you.
First week, be all over the news
every night. Boom, boom. Second
week,
guys who sell cars can't sell
cars because the cars ain't
coming in off the ships. They
get laid off. Third week, malls
are closing down. They can't get
the goods from China. They can't
sell clothes. They can't do
this. Everything in the United
States comes on a ship.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but wait,
there's more and a threat at the
end,
Unknown: they go out of
business. Construction workers
get laid off because the
materials aren't coming in, the
steel is not coming in, the
lumber is not coming in. They
lose their job. Everybody,
Adam Curry: by the way, does
this guy sound like George
Carlin? Or what?
John C Dvorak: You know, he has
a George I was wondering what he
sounded like, and I didn't catch
that, that angle of it. Yes,
Unknown: the steel is not going
Yeah, coming in, the lumber is
not coming in. They lose their
job. Everybody's hating the
longshoreman now, because now
they realize how important our
jobs are. Now I have the
president screaming at me, I'm
putting a TAF Harley on you. Go
ahead. Taft Harley means I have
to go back to work for 90 days
after cooling off period. Do you
think when I go back to 90 days
Those men are going to go to
work on that pier? It's going to
cost the money the company's
money to pay their salaries?
Well, they got one from 30 moves
an hour, maybe to eight. They're
going to be like this. Who's
going to win here in the long
run? You're better off sitting
down and let's get a contract,
and let's move on with this
world and today's world, I'll
cripple you. I will cripple you.
And you have no idea what that
means,
Adam Curry: I will cripple you.
Well,
John C Dvorak: there's a couple
of interesting aspects of this.
One is that the longshores did
an agreement on the West Coast,
and he doesn't mention that. But
no, he does not. He does not. He
does. He talks about Texas, the
Maine, he doesn't talk about the
West Coast. And so I'm just just
stay if, if people are looking
for investment opportunities,
Adam Curry: not investment
advice, I know
John C Dvorak: just
opportunities. I don't, and I
don't know what they would be,
but if the if they shut down the
east coast. The West Coast will
be booming with activity. That
means Seattle, Portland,
Oakland, Long Beach, all up and
down the coast. The these ports
will be filled because everyone
has to be redirected so and so.
That means the rail out here and
everything else is going to be
busier. It's going to be
ridiculous. The fact is, we're
going to be swamped. Well, you
Adam Curry: have those ships
sitting out at at sea again, of
course, because they won't be
able to handle that's
John C Dvorak: what will end up
happening. The whole Bay will be
filled with a bunch of boats,
and
Adam Curry: prices will have to
go up because of that. Also just
the now
John C Dvorak: nightmarish at
this at one hand, on the other
hand, it's going to be a boom,
at least locally, on, you know,
the West Coast. Well, bully for
you. Well, I'm, I'm not looking
forward to it. The traffic's bad
enough. Yeah, no kidding,
because that means the trucks
will be loading and, you know,
me, the place, just the freeways
will be filled with trucks
getting this stuff as far east
as it can, even though you once
it gets to Denver, it's going to
do. I mean, it's just not
possible to for the West Coast
to supply the entire country.
It's not possible. And the
Adam Curry: good news is
Washington, DC will be affected
by this, so that will, that will
get their attention. Now. Taft
Hartley, Taft Hartley, I think,
is what it is that's a provision
that the the president can call
call upon to force the union, I
John C Dvorak: have to review
that again. I forgot what, how
they could.
Adam Curry: Well, he made it
sound like, okay, that means we
have to go back to work for
9090, days, and we'll be
working. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: unions call it,
but this,
Adam Curry: and he makes an
incredible. Valid point, like,
oh, we had to work. We were
essential workers during Covic.
As he said, Covic, you mean
covid? This guy was authentic,
man. He's got tats. He's, you
know, he's got the big chain
Sherman, their bicycle chain
around his neck. Yeah, they're
not good on him. We need a
little bit of crippling here.
Wake people? Well, no, we
John C Dvorak: don't wake people
up.
Adam Curry: Get them, get them.
Get them. Get them. He's
John C Dvorak: right. He did say
one thing in there that I
thought was very noteworthy,
which was, nobody knows what a
real strike is like in our
current in our current
environment. The millennials
don't know what it's like. The
disease. Don't know what it's
like. Most of the you know, the
the Gen X Don't, don't, have
never experienced a real strike.
And now whether there's going to
be one or not, is another issue.
Well, they
Unknown: got it two days. Yeah,
we'll see.
Adam Curry: Yeah. I don't know
exactly what
John C Dvorak: the real strikes,
a real strike, a real bad thing.
Adam Curry: Yeah, what happened
to Boeing? Did that get resolved
after their final and best
price?
John C Dvorak: I have no idea
what's going on there. I didn't,
well, I didn't follow it close
enough. So I don't know what's
going on, but it's nothing like
what this. This is a big deal.
The Boeing thing is a, you know,
just the one company. No
Adam Curry: talks broke off
without progress. So no, yeah,
so
John C Dvorak: they can stagger
along. That's not going to
affect the economy much.
Adam Curry: Well, it's probably
good because, well, you heard
the latest about Boeing.
Unknown: No this morning,
another black eye for Boeing.
Black Eye for Boeing, the NTSB
issuing an urgent safety warning
over a key part in some of its
embattled 737 Max jets, just the
latest blow to one of the
world's biggest aviation
companies, which has faced a
series of setbacks this year,
including an ongoing strike and
that door plug blowout in
January. The new issue regards
the rudder control system on
some 737 Max and ng aircraft
first discovered in February
when united pilots reported
rudder pedals on their max eight
became stuck in neutral. Let
me just tell you something.
Adam Curry: The rudder pedals
are pretty important for landing
in particular, also for
takeoffs. You know, in flight
also, but you really can't land
with a crosswind if you don't
have a rudder pedal. It's going
to be very difficult, as
Unknown: they landed at Newark
International in that incident,
the plane landed safely.
The rudder is that vertical fin
on the tail of the airplane that
pilots use sometimes, whenever
they need to counter a stiff
crosswind, or if there's an
engine failure. It's not used
all the time, but it's there for
a reason, and that's for
potential emergencies or
maneuvering ability.
Adam Curry: It's that's a little
disingenuous. You need the
rudder. It's just you need or
you can't. The flying the
aircraft without a rudder is no
good.
Unknown: NTSB investigators say
testing determined a sealed
bearing was incorrectly
assembled during production, and
that Collins aerospace, which
manufactures that part, notified
Boeing that more than 350 had
been delivered to Boeing Since
2017 and were affected. In a
statement, Boeing says last
month it informed affected 737,
operators, airlines, of the
potential problem, adding
they're working with a supplier
to address it. United Airlines
is the only US carrier that had
the component in its planes and
says they've already been
replaced. No
Adam Curry: so it's already
done. The no panic, just united.
They had dudes and dresses
replace the parts. It's all good
to fix it. They fixed it. It's
all good. Their CEO dude in a
dress. Come on. It's we wrapped
up climate week, and you and I
didn't even notice, yeah, we
kind of missed it. I'm sad.
There was so much else going on,
and NPR was all over it. They
had a climate solutions week. Is
what they had on the on the air.
John C Dvorak: I was listening
to it all along. I never heard
in
Adam Curry: here. Oh, well, it
was. It was mainly centered in
New York. Is where that was the
headquarters of climate week.
And just you know, NPR has big
problems with their podcast
division. It's essentially
closing.
John C Dvorak: But should they
got no good podcasting, and they
keep promoting them and ruining
the normal programming.
Adam Curry: Well, I got the
credits from the shortwave
episode. Is called shortwave,
which is the NPR podcast, and
then this is the Climate
Solutions edition of shortwave.
Maybe if we listen to the
credits, we can understand why
they're going out of business.
This
Unknown: episode was produced by
Hannah chin and edited by our
showrunner, Rebecca Ramirez
Tyler Jones. Checked the facts.
Yes, the audio engineer was
James Willetts. Beth Donovan is
our senior director, and Colin
Campbell is our senior vice
president of podcasting
strategy.
I'm Regina Barber, thanks for
listening to show wave.
Adam Curry: We need a vice
president of podcasting
strategies on this show, and a
showrunner. I want a showrunner,
a showrunner. Dana Brunetti
should be our show runner. He
would be good at being our show
John C Dvorak: he considered, he
probably considers that lousy
job. Oh, it's
Adam Curry: the well, he was a
show runner, right? Wasn't he
the showrunner
John C Dvorak: for a house of
cards? No, I
Adam Curry: think he was the
showrunner. I think he was,
yeah, it's a showrunner. Is
You're the boss. I mean, you're,
you're making it happen, and you
have to take the licking, and
you have to go show
John C Dvorak: runner for people
out there, they never give them
credit. The credit is on
according to they have to, you
know, there's all these rules
nowadays that the Producers
Guild and the directors go, they
have these rules about how you
show credits. You know, they say
used to be in the automation.
They show all the credits at the
beginning of a movie. Now
they're at the end. The trick to
finding the show runner of a
show is the last executive
producer listed before the
writer, right? So they have
executive producer, producer
cobras, blah, blah, blah, all
these. Then there's executive
producer, and then writer, the
one with the guy who comes up
before writer is the currently
the executive, or is the
showrunner for the show, which
is, I don't know why, they just
don't call him a showrunner, but
they won't do it on credits
Adam Curry: because it sounds
demeaning, which
John C Dvorak: it does sound. It
sounds pretty lame. That's
Adam Curry: the job. We have to
bend over for the network.
John C Dvorak: They really
should be called boss,
Adam Curry: and they have to go
back to the productions guys,
the network doesn't like it.
Darren O'Neill says he'll be our
showrunner, which is fine by me.
He is already. He's right. Rock
and roll show runner. Um,
anyway, but do you want to do a
little bit of fun climate stuff?
Just for
John C Dvorak: for young I only
have the eating bugs part of the
whole thing. If you want to do
climate stuff, I don't really
have anything on climate. What
Adam Curry: is, what is the
eating bug stuff? Well, there's
John C Dvorak: a podcast, yeah,
another
Adam Curry: podcast today's
podcast you
Unknown: don't do.
John C Dvorak: And this is
called the can I bug you?
Podcast, are they and like all,
are they pro bug? They're pro
eating bugs. And this is like a
podcast about eating bugs, and
so they and it's one of the
problem. You know, I most
podcasts are not very good. No,
I don't know if people have
noticed, but they're lame.
People don't really feel
comfortable talking into a mic.
It's just a million things. It's
just the timing is bad. They
they don't get then they added
it to make it worse, you can't
edit to make timing work, that's
for sure. I'm
Adam Curry: gonna take out all
of the pauses and the ums and
it'll sound great. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: So we have this
podcast. Hello,
Unknown: listeners. Are you
hungry? Hey, this
looks like a good spot to rustle
up some grub. Ew, what's that?
Hey, grub, what's it look like?
Ew, gross. Tastes like chicken,
slimy yet satisfying bugs.
Is food. That's what we're here
to talk about. Hold
Adam Curry: on. So they have
this reasonably well edited
opening montage, you know, is
like, which make just come from
cartoons. As far as I can tell,
sounds like a cartoon, yeah. And
then they go into the podcast,
and it's like this big room, and
you hear the room and
everything. This is very painful
to listen to for me,
Unknown: slimy, unsatisfying.
Adam Curry: Oh, Lion King, yes,
that's where it's from.
Unknown: Exist food. That's what
we're here to talk about on
today's episode of Can I bug you
our every other weekly deep dive
into the wide, weird world of
insight. It's a deep
Adam Curry: dive. You sure? It's
not AI this podcast,
Unknown: pretty sure.
I'm UC Riverside spokeswoman,
Jules Bernstein. I'm here with
my co host, Doug yannicka, who
is the senior scientist at UC
Riverside's entomology research
Museum. Hey, Doug. Hello. Hey
Doug. And our special guest
today is Erin Wilson Rankin, a
professor of entomology here at
UCR. She studies the ecology of
arthropod communities and
teaches a course for non majors
called the natural history of
insects, which introduces the
subject of entomophagy, the idea
of intentionally uses using
insects as food. Oh, hold
Adam Curry: on. Entima Fiji, is
that what she said, this is a
good term, entomophasia.
John C Dvorak: I think F,
Unknown: A, E, G, E, P,
John C Dvorak: H. I think
there's a P H in there.
Unknown: P. Beige because, of
course, it's different than
people unintentionally consuming
insects in their food, which
they most certainly do. Hey,
Aaron, Hi. Do you happen to have
any information about how many
insects are allowed in food
products per the US Food and
Drug Administration?
I know for a couple things that
are, you know, particularly
important to me, chocolate, but
you can have, it's allowable to
have, you know, 5060, pieces of
insect in 100 grams of
chocolate. Oh,
Adam Curry: and they're doing
this too. There, there are bugs
in everything. Now you just go
look at the supermarket. It has
different names, but there's bug
bugs, bug dust, bug SAP, all
kinds of bug stuff.
Unknown: Um, you can have a lot
of aphids. 2500 aphids per 10
grams of hops. So if you're a
beer drinker, there might be
some extra sweetness coming from
the insects. Does that add extra
protein? Possibly, there's such
small amounts that I don't know
if it's going to be
statistically significant, and
it probably gets filtered out. I
mean, there's particulate
matter.
Well, some people find this
gross, but others think insects
are the food of the future. Get
into today, food
Adam Curry: of the future.
Sorry, entomaji, e, n, t, O, M,
O, P, H, A, G, u, y, also to be
pronounced as mtimo, faggy,
depends on where you come from.
Practice of eating insects.
Alternative term is insectivory
to Yes, that's what I would use,
insectivory, yes, Hmm. Well,
what you just heard is, is, is
really part of the problem. Is
the FDA, you know, without much
fanfare, has approved all of
these entomophagy project
products that go into food,
certain flower, cricket flower,
being the flower, yeah, what's
the what's the term for cricket
flower again? Because it has
different
Unknown: word I don't remember.
Yeah, yeah, let
Adam Curry: me just cricket
flower is, can't find it now,
food. Thank you. Troll room,
just call it food. Cricket
flowers.
John C Dvorak: You think flour?
Adam Curry: There it is. Thank
you. Cuisson, a cheetah powder,
A, C, H, E, T, A, A cheetah
powder. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: that's better,
probably term than flour. Flour,
F, l, o, u, r, uh, indicates to
me, something that's from
grinding some sort of a plant
product. No,
Adam Curry: you're grinding a
cricket, like
John C Dvorak: cricket, it's
like, is there beef flour? Is
there dog flour? I mean, no
doubt the Haitians know that.
Adam Curry: No doubt so. But
yeah, but that's all allowed by
the FDA, so people just put it
in there, and it's part of the
climate change narrative. I
think for a moment, since we
have a guest on this MSNBC show
who is known to the show for
many years and comes from this
period, we need to open it up to
the
Unknown: gate, to the gate to
the climate gate. So
Adam Curry: yes, the climate
gate jingle started for us. I'm
going to say 2009
John C Dvorak: it was right
during climate gate. So you'd
have to figure out when that was
Adam Curry: yes. Well, that's
why it's a jingle, and it was
Michael Mann. Was the guy who
was falsifying his his notes was
chain Well, modifying them
John C Dvorak: because it didn't
make, I think falsifying is a
better word, can I? Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's probably
correct. Was changing his, his
notes and his formula, and it
was found out. It was a big
scandal. It
John C Dvorak: was a it was a
hack
Adam Curry: email, yes, oh, it
was a glitch, a glitch and a
hack. And, yeah, so it was a
hack that the emails came out
and and, of course, they denied
it was a scandal. It was a big
scandal. We covered it quite
extensively, being it.io you can
hear all of it. So Michael Mann
shows up with Katie tour on
MSNBC for climate week with,
well, can you guess who he's
with? I mean, if you have
Michael Mann, one of the premier
climate science Scientologists,
climatologists of our time, and
of the IPCC, the International
planetary Panel on Climate
Change. Who would he show up
with for a bit of color in the
commentary?
John C Dvorak: I can think of a
number of people, but
unfortunately, I can't get
Francis Collins out of my mind
since I saw him the other day
bullshitting about vaccines. No,
it's not Francis. It's better
than a hand. Is the only the guy
it should get, but you don't see
him anymore. No, no. Hansen is
the guy who came up with the
first no hockey stick.
Adam Curry: I'm disappointed you
didn't guess
Unknown: Helene is breaking
records in the southeast, as the
UN is holding its climate week
here in New York, where
scientists and world leaders
have met to discuss concerns
about bigger and stronger
storms, along with temperature
changes across the globe Joining
us now, science educator and the
Planetary Society CEO, Bill Nye,
you know well,
John C Dvorak: you should have
said a big phony. We all know
very well. Science edu is not a
sign who's not a climatologist
in any ways, electrical engineer
or something,
Adam Curry: but he has a new
outfit.
Unknown: Listen to this
outfitter and the Planetary
Society. CEO, Bill Planetary
Society,
Adam Curry: bro, we need one of
those nine. You
Unknown: know now and University
of Pennsylvania, presidential,
Distinguished Professor of Earth
and Environmental Science and
author of our fragile moment,
how lessons from Earth's past
can help us survive the climate
crisis and a whole lot of other
books. Michael, Mann gentlemen's
really great to have you. Oh,
it's
Adam Curry: great to have you.
Well, let's,
Unknown: let's have Michael
stop.
John C Dvorak: I'm just going
to, I'm going to do a little
mind reading here. I'm a certain
that Katie tour brings up the
climate gate issues and Michael
Mann being a big phony by by
fudging numbers, and he she
confronts him like a good
journalist would. Right your
Adam Curry: mind, reading is off
the charts, so far off that it's
not on the chart.
Unknown: You were nodding your
head as Melissa was talking.
Marissa was talking about rapid
intensification,
yeah, something we talk a lot
about these days. You know,
these storms intensify now.
Adam Curry: This is the extreme.
What remember back in the
climate gate days it was global
warming. This is before it
became climate change, because
the warming was provably not
happening. Then it was, weather
is not climate, but now extreme
weather events is climate, yes,
far
Unknown: more rapidly than they
used to. And there's basic
underlying science that
predicted that decades ago. I'm
sorry.
John C Dvorak: I have to No, no,
that's fine, doesn't that's
fine, that's fine. I can't
emphasize enough, since you
brought it up, it just reminded
me. I can't emphasize enough,
since we've been doing this this
long enough, almost 17 years,
yeah, the idea that weather
isn't climate was extreme was
punctuated and pounded on the
table to no end. Weather is not
climate. Weather is not climate.
That's all they talked about.
Now they changed it. Let
Adam Curry: me see if I have a
weather is not climate. We have
a lot of those. What is this?
Unknown: In India, a severe heat
wave has shattered the national
benchmark for the hottest day on
record, as the temperature in
the city of halodi topped a
staggering 123 degrees
Fahrenheit. Several 100 people
have died so far from the
extreme temperatures across
India, increasingly Deadly Heat
waves have been linked to
climate change. That
Adam Curry: was mistitled. I
should look for them honestly. I
should go back and look for
them. But they Yes. They kept on
saying weather is pounded the
table over it. Yes, weather is
not climate. Weather is and that
John C Dvorak: was because it
was they were they brought some
stuff up during the winter.
Look, it's freezing out. What
are you talking about? Weather's
Adam Curry: not climate. All
right, back to back to Michael
Mann, with the rapid
intensification
Unknown: basic underlying
science that predicted that
decades ago. You warm up the
oceans, there's more energy,
more evaporation of moisture
from the ocean that provides the
energy to intensify these
storms. They intensify faster,
and we are seeing that. And the
threat is, you know, as you
heard here, you have less time
to prepare, because something
that was just a WEAK tropical
storm is a major, a major
hurricane, within a matter of 24
hours, they had a lot
John C Dvorak: of time that's
never happened before.
Adam Curry: It's, it's rapid
intensification. And, by the
way,
John C Dvorak: did, oh, I got, I
got it. I got this time. I can
do it. Okay, she's gonna ask
about, you know, that they had
a, they had no major hurricanes
in 2023 How do you account for
that?
Adam Curry: No, the next she's
now going to move to Bill Nye.
She's going to move to Bill Nye.
So we need Bill Nye to put in
some scientific evidence, some
scientific analogy, a metaphor,
something that we can
understand.
Unknown: I keep hearing people
say, you know, climate
scientists go out and they say,
it's the end of the world. The
climate change is here. Disaster
is coming, but everything's been
fine. And then I look at them,
and I said, What about that
hurricane or what about that
fire? There are this country
that are not fine. It's not
happening. You know, it's not,
you know, the end of the world,
like in a science fiction movie
at the moment, but there are
real life effects around people
that are being displaced and
killed. It's coming. People
Adam Curry: are being killed by
Unknown: climate. Well. It's
also when your power goes out,
that's when the end of the world
gets us in the developed world,
and people who live in that area
now have just not just rainwater
flooding, but flooding from the
ocean, which is salty, which
rusts your car, and then you
can't get insurance.
Adam Curry: Bill. Nye comes in
with some with a factoid we all
need it because your How about
your car blowing up in the
garage because it's an electric
vehicle? How about that? Bill
didn't notice that one.
Obviously, these two guys are
here for a reason.
Unknown: You had a climate week
this week. Any consensus
happening? We're just
one. We're just one
international meeting from
solving from solving it, yes.
Oh, just one more. No,
everybody. Oh, it's humor.
People say to me, Bill Nye
Science Guy, Bill Nye, people
Adam Curry: come up to me, Hey,
Bill Nye Science Guy, imagine
that. People come up to me.
Said, Adam curry podfather, oh,
wait, some people do that.
People say
Unknown: to me, Bill, my science
guy, what can I do about climate
change? What can I do about
climate change? We'll tell you
what people's vote right now. We
hear so much about the undecided
voters, and this is I'm being as
diplomatic, generous,
magnanimous. How can
you not tell the difference
people? One side is in support
of doing something about these
massive problems associated with
climate change. The other side
is pretending it's not
happening. And you guys, we all
want a villain, and so on. But
it really has been the fossil
fuel industry that's worked
really hard to suppress the
science.
Adam Curry: Suppress the
science. You okay, maybe you
should just explain what you
really want the people to hear.
Bill Nye science guy. A
Unknown: lot of people, when
they hear that, though they
think, God, you guys are being
You're being too crazy, you're
being too strict, too harsh. I
like my way of life, okay, I
like my car ordering things on
Amazon. I like all the plastic,
yes, but that's the thing. I
mean, it is so ingrained in our
life, and what they're looking
for is for science to come up
with a way to solve this. We
clap up.
Adam Curry: Do we have a
scientific solution? John is his
solution to the science I am
John C Dvorak: befuddled by this
whole thing. Well, he's she's a
she is useless, and he's an
idiot. I mean, I don't get it.
Why would they even put this on
the air? Oh,
Adam Curry: the reason is coming
now, on
Unknown: our side of it, we
claim that we have enough energy
to take care of everything right
now, if we just could apply it.
And so the longest journey
begins with about a single step.
We will phase out fossil fuel
use, and they will we will phase
in renewable energy, but just
when it comes november 5,
everybody, you've got to vote
for the Democrats, doing my best
here. For many years, I've been
the head of a of the
organization that we work very
hard to be political, but not
partisan in space exploration.
Be that as it may right now the
choice is clear. So you can
everybody out there. You can
hate me, you can hate him, you
can hate everything. But when it
comes to doing something about
climate change, you've got to
vote for Harris walls, and
John C Dvorak: that's what this
is, where you expected Clip of
the Day. No, no, no. I thought
the Trump, I'm telling you this
is that was the most that that
is not acceptable. NBC should
be. NBC is bad enough. This is
that head of Comcast. Again, I
keep bringing him up. It's his
this guy really that Comcast
that should get rid of NBC
because they're ruining the
country. I
Adam Curry: think, you know, we
need a best of, Best of Show in
the in the next couple of
months. I think you should do an
interview with Bill Nye science
guy. I bet you can do it. I bet
if you called up and say, Hey,
I'm I'm a podcast you'd be like,
Oh, you're a podcaster. Say,
yeah. Like, probably wouldn't
John C Dvorak: do the due
diligence he needs no to listen
to the show, because once he did
that, he would never agree to an
interview. Do
Adam Curry: you think he would?
He would walk away while you
were interviewing him? No,
John C Dvorak: he wouldn't agree
to it. Oh, well, that's
shameless.
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course, we
are thinking of all of our
producers on the East Coast,
south southeast, North Carolina.
John C Dvorak: You can say all
you want. They're not listening
well, you know,
Adam Curry: some still have
battery power, but this was a
very odd storm. It was, you
know, they said, I mean, I got
so I told you that the reporting
was strange. The reporting was
off kilter, like it was, it was
a lot of water, and it destroyed
dams. But cat four,
John C Dvorak: that's, yeah.
Didn't go, it looks like it
didn't go, didn't
Adam Curry: go, but there's a
lot of destruction. But it
wasn't that the winds weren't
what anyone predicted. The winds
were much, much calmer. Just a
lot of water. And it was just
water, just a lot of water.
Yeah, a lot of water. So we are
thinking of you producers lot of
water.
John C Dvorak: And there was, I
thought I was looking over my
clipless I thought I had this
clip. I know I had it. I guess I
didn't produce it. I'm not sure
what happened. But there was a
great clip somebody sent me
from, from Florida, one of the
islands where some Tesla,
Adam Curry: yeah, was caught far
was blowing up in the garage. It
blew up in
John C Dvorak: the garage and
burnt down what looked to be a
castle. I mean, this house was
just as gorgeous because it was
left a couple outer walls,
because the house burned to the
ground. And then the reporting,
local reporting, talked about
how all these electric scooters
were going up boom, blowing up
left and right, and there was
Tesla's blowing up the salt
water. This is very dangerous.
Adam Curry: The Iron Oh, the
irony of trying to save the
climate with your EV and it
catching on fire because of
burning the place, burning the
place down, I'd like so I have a
couple of things I want to share
as a mini presentation, but I
share, you're gonna share. I'm
gonna share a secret, only if we
hold hands. But I what happened
with Nasrallah? I think is
something we have. We need you
to do a deep dive.
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of
Nasrallah clips, so that's why
I'd like you to start follow up.
No, no. I'd
Adam Curry: like you to start it
off. I'd like you to, like you
to get it all out of your
system, and then we'll do some
analysis, because this was, I
think, much bigger than people
realize.
John C Dvorak: I find it
distressing to be honest about
it. I have a series of clips
here from the Hezbollah leader,
Hezbollah,
Adam Curry: Hezbollah, let's
just
John C Dvorak: start with them.
NPR stuff. This is two clips
from NPR
Unknown: to many. Nasrallah is
the leader of a terrorist
organization, but others in the
Middle East, as we just heard,
he's viewed as a hero. NPR, Al
shaachi is
John C Dvorak: this? Is this his
leader? One? Yes, it is. You
don't want to stop that clip?
No, it has to come later. I'm
sorry. Okay, what we want is HEZ
summary, good one. NPR,
Hezbollah
Unknown: has vowed to retaliate
after an Israeli airstrike
killed Hassan Nasrallah, the
leader of the Iranian backed
militant group Hezbollah in
Lebanon. The question of what's
next for the two countries
hinges on the war in Gaza and
Piers Jaina RAF in Beirut has
more on what it would take to
get to a ceasefire. Hezbollah
itself is really unwilling to
accept a ceasefire. It made
clear when it announced the
death of Nasrallah that it would
continue fighting Israel. And
Nasrallah has always made clear
that there won't be a cease fire
here, unless there's a cease
fire in Gaza. But N piers,
Daniel estrang, who's in Israel,
says Gaza cease fire talks are
stalled.
The question is, Will Iran
backed militias throughout the
region fire at Israel, whether
that's the Houthis in Yemen,
whether that's Shia militias in
Iraq, Israel is preparing for
that potential
escalation. Okay,
John C Dvorak: did you get a
note from one of our Mohammed?
Yes, Mohammed, I'm going to
Adam Curry: talk about that in
my presentation,
John C Dvorak: because I thought
that was interesting. Let's go
to summary too.
Unknown: The Assassination
Friday was an escalation of
Israel's campaign against
Hezbollah in a year long
conflict, Hezbollah started
firing on Israel just after
Hamas attacked southern Israel
October 7, leaving around 1200
dead and kidnapping around 250
relatives of the remaining
hostages have called on Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu to ease up On
hostilities until the hostages
are released. Meanwhile,
President Biden calls nas ralas
death a measure of justice and
pierce devaram reports
in a statement, Biden said
Nasrallah and Hezbollah have
been responsible for killing
hundreds of Americans as well as
Israeli and Lebanese civilians.
Biden said the US is goal is to
de escalate tensions in the
Middle East through diplomatic
means, but ceasefire
negotiations between Israel and
Hamas have been held up for
months, and there is also no
agreement to stop the fighting
on the Israel Lebanon border,
the president said he's also
directed the Pentagon to enhance
the posture of US forces in the
Middle East to deter a broader
regional war. Vice President
Harris released a statement too,
saying Nasrallah had, quote,
American blood on his hands.
John C Dvorak: This is the guy
we have to remember who blew up
the Marine barracks, killing 200
during the Reagan
administration. Well, he's
Adam Curry: been around for 30
years, right? Yeah, he's
John C Dvorak: been around
forever, and it's like they
can't, they couldn't get rid of
him. The Israelis finally got
fed up, I guess. Yeah. Because
they used bunker busters to blow
up that area. Yeah,
Adam Curry: they, they got him
like they had an eight second
window and done.
John C Dvorak: But so, but this
guy is, you know, he's not a
he's a bad guy to us and the
Israelis and everybody who's on
that side of the argument, but
he's a good guy. In fact, I get
back and forth with some buddy
bitching at us because we're
playing. I'm gonna
Adam Curry: talk about that too.
This. That's actually what set
me on down the road, down a
different path. Well,
John C Dvorak: I do want to
mention that 1701 which is a UN
Secretary Security Council
Resolution, 1701 which required
the Hezbollah to move north, and
for the Israelis to leave
Lebanon in 2006 it was ignored
by Hezbollah. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna talk about news also
ignored by this guy who kept
writing us notes. I'm gonna read
some of I'm gonna read that in a
moment. But okay, well, I'm just
setting this up. Yes. So let's
listen to the couple of things
about this guy. And if anybody
thinks that that he wasn't loved
by the by the Lebanese, they're
wrong. As far as I'm concerned.
You could maybe have something
to be
Adam Curry: contradictory. I do
have contradictory stuff. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I will play
before I get to the leader one.
Well, let's go with his leader.
Let's play that clip.
Unknown: Nasrallah appeared on
television for the last time on
September 19, denouncing the
Israeli pager operation. Cave.
Retribution will come. He said
it's manner, size, how and where
that we will keep to ourselves.
The White House said today that
nasrallahs death was a quote
measure of justice for many
victims. Nasrallah is survived
by his wife and four children.
He was 64 hadil al shaachi, NPR
news,
John C Dvorak: all right, he's
been he's been doing this for a
long time, if he was only 54 and
then one more ancillary clip I
just play this has love, hate
clip, and then we can play the
two clips about him. So
Unknown: there was just this mix
of emotions. There was mourning,
but there was more than that.
People here were confused. This
is uncharted territory. People
on the streets are also scared.
They understand the gravity of
the moment, and they also
understand that no one can quite
predict just what comes after
this. Tell
us. Tell us more about
Nasrallah. What he represented
in the region. He's
a complicated figure. Israel in
the US consider him a terrorist
who led deadly attacks against
Americans as well as Israelis,
but to many here in Lebanon and
across the Middle East, he's a
hero. After Israel invaded
southern Lebanon in the 80s,
Nasrallah led an armed
resistance that eventually led
to an Israeli withdrawal. And of
course, on the Palestinian
issue, he became the most
visible and perhaps the most
prominent anti Israeli figure in
the world. So for more than
three decades, not only was he
the top commander of Hezbollah,
but he was also a religious
leader and a politician.
So the big questionator, what
happens next?
I mean, there will be a funeral,
obviously, but I think there's
just a lot more questions than
answers. I mean, how will
Hezbollah retaliate for his
death? And what about Iran? Who
is Hezbollah's benefactor? How
did they react? And then, of
course, Israel, starting with
the pager attacks last week,
Israel has systematically
degraded Hezbollah leadership,
and is that enough, or does
Israel go further, launching a
ground invasion? We don't have
clear answers to any of those
questions right now. What
Adam Curry: was this outlet
John C Dvorak: who did this
particular report? The NPR? Oh,
that's
Adam Curry: NPR as well.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, most of
this is NPR. So we're going to
go, I mean, I can't trust the
same clips from PBS news hour,
but NPR seems to have the most,
and I will say this, NPR, I
think, was very sympathetic to
Nasrallah. I think they were
totally they played it like, oh,
you know, this guy was the
Adam Curry: greatest 64 his his
four children, his wife, 54
John C Dvorak: I think he's 54
this is 64 is what I heard.
Okay, yeah, it
Adam Curry: would make more
sense.
John C Dvorak: Family and
family. Man, yeah, it
Adam Curry: was a good family.
Man,
John C Dvorak: so here we go
with the last two clips. And
this is the HEZ leader one
Unknown: and two to many.
Nasralla is the leader of a
terrorist organization, but
others in the Middle East, as we
just heard, he's viewed as a
hero and fierce. Hadil al
shaachi takes a closer look at
who he was.
Adam Curry: That's some Hero
talk right there in
Unknown: a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon, you heard,
John C Dvorak: I want you to
keep that him yelling and
screaming clip in mind with what
you're about to hear
Unknown: in a fiery speech at a
podium in Lebanon in 2000 Hassan
Nasrallah compares Israel's
military capability to a weak
spiderweb.
Wallahi.
Women. It
was in this year that the long
time Hezbollah leader became an
icon. He had just led his
militia in a war that pushed
Israeli troops out of southern
Lebanon, ending an 18 year
occupation. Nasrallah was born
to an impoverished Shiite family
in the north of Lebanon before
co founding Hezbollah. Hezbollah
learned the ropes in the Emil
movement, a Shiite political and
paramilitary group. He was
chosen to be Hezbollah's leader
two days after his head Abbas
Moussaoui was killed by the
Israeli military in 1992 he
became famous for his thick
beard, black turban, cloak and
charisma, charisma, speaking
with a slight lisp, has salva
appealed to regular Arabs. Lisp.
Adam Curry: He spoke with lis. I
Unknown: didn't hear that.
Adam Curry: I didn't catch the
lisp.
John C Dvorak: Well, it's hard,
I guess. Yes, it was Arabic,
Arabic lisp. It's,
Adam Curry: I don't know what
that fed dies.
John C Dvorak: Okay. So she goes
on, let's go to part that's the
end of that. I think, yes, that
is yes, yeah, go to part two.
Unknown: Mohammed bezi is the
director of the Center for Near
Eastern Studies at New York
University. He
was speaking as if he was
sitting with people in a cafe.
He had this,
okay, stop it.
Adam Curry: Speaking to people
like he was in a cafe. What
John C Dvorak: kind of Cafe is
that? It's a loud one,
adversity.
Unknown: He was speaking as if
he was sitting with people in a
cafe. He had this accessible
style that resonated with
people. Was
a hero to many Arabs, illusion
with their own leaders. His son,
Hedi, was killed fighting the
occupying Israeli army in 1997
in extreme contrast to most of
the other political leaders in
Lebanon, whose children would be
sent to Switzerland, to
universities, and so that
solidified that he was making
the same kinds of sacrifices
that he was asking other
people's children to make. For
much of the last two decades,
Nasrallah was only ever seen on
television and never in public
for fear of assassination
attempts when Nasrallah spoke
the region, and begrudgingly,
the Israeli security
establishment had to stop and
listen to the message he was
about to convey, the
political priorities, the
military priorities of
Hezbollah. There was also a
sense that Nasrallah meant what
he said.
For the Israelis, Nasrallah was
a terrorist who kept their
northern borders unendingly
threatened. He was involved in
the bombing of the US Marine
barracks in Lebanon that killed
over 200 US servicemen in the
early 80s, also backed Syrian
President Bashar Al Assad during
the brutal 2011 civil war that
killed 1000s of Sunni Muslims.
He's
also going to be remembered as
as sectarian leader, and people
aren't going to forget that. So
it'll be this dual legacy.
Hezbollah
and Israel began trading fire
the day after the Hamas led
attacks on Israel on October 7,
hostilities intensified last
week when 1000s of pagers and
walkie talkies used by Hezbollah
members exploded around Lebanon.
Lebanese health officials said
the explosions killed 39 people.
Okay,
Adam Curry: that's, those are
some good backgrounders. So
John C Dvorak: I think, by the
way, this guy, the Sunnis, can't
possibly like this character.
He's killed Sunni Muslims. He
killed American soldiers. I
don't know why. Reagan actually
backed off then and vacated the
area once that bombing took
place. He was a bad guy, but,
but, okay, NPR plays him up as a
family man and and he took
sacrifice by not sending his kid
to Switzerland, and with
Adam Curry: a list, he's he's so
with a lisp, he's so normal. All
right, so we did indeed receive
two emails, and one was from one
of our producers, and I'll just
read the opening to the email.
I'll come back to it later. He
says, on Thursday's show, John
joked about you and him being
shills for Israel, which would
be a fine enough joke. But then
the blunder occurred when he
presented to you and everyone
listening, a military industrial
complex swamp monster
extraordinaire with deep tie to
the Israel lobby as a respected
expert on Middle East affairs.
And he, of course, sent that to
me. So I replied and said, I'm
copying John. Since you forgot
to copy him on your email,
probably because he couldn't
spell Dvorak, we also received
an email from our dude named
Mohammed, and he reminded us of
a previous email, and he said,
Is it me, or does it seem like
every single powerful Iranian or
Iranian proxy figure vanishes
unexpectedly. It seems like
someone is systematically
getting rid of them after each
assassination will be a couple
of days of colorful rhetoric
followed by coordination for a
very clean response that doesn't
hurt anyone, and bright lit
missiles or drones that are
intercepted by the Iron Dome so
both parties can claim some
victory and have good visuals
for their side social media
accounts. And he closes by
saying, just like Adam's Iranian
friends say a lot of people in
this. Region. Think the Iranian
regime is coordinating every
step with the US and Israel,
which is something we've has
been an ongoing theme. So now I
just may be, I just connected a
whole bunch of dots. It could
be, I could be as worse than
that guy, Ian Carroll, you know
this will you get your team
forward? How this will blow your
mind? You know that guy, that
that Tiktok guy, irritates me.
John C Dvorak: There's a lot of
irritating guys out there. He's
one of them. That's one thing
we've noticed over the years.
Adam Curry: So we need to go
back a year to October and
girls. I want to mention and
women. And women, we need to go
back a year to October 7 last
year. And I've just pulled a
couple clips just for color.
This is McGregor, who said the
following, well, I should point
out that I was in Israel three
years ago in February of 2020,
and I had the opportunity,
because I was a guest of the IDF
chief of staff, to visit the
Gaza front. So to say so, I saw
the barriers, I saw the walls, I
saw how the Israelis had
constructed what I thought was a
very effective and tightly
organized security system. To be
perfectly blunt with you, I'm
somewhat surprised by the entire
thing. It seems almost
incomprehensible to me that the
Hamas fighters could have broken
through as suddenly and as
easily as they did without two
things. One is shameless
incompetence, for which I saw no
evidence when I was in Israel or
someone deliberately let them
in. It's just hard for me to
believe that Hamas was quite
that clever. Now, if you recall
October 7, immediately, was
billed as, this is our 911 This
is our 911 This is it the
Israel. The Jews were saying it,
Sir Brian of London. You got to
understand, because that was the
messaging all across Israel.
This is our 911 only would be,
you know, the 220 300 people is
the equivalent to 30,000
John C Dvorak: Americans. We had
to remember the extrapolation
that constantly Yes, which I
found offensive. Well,
Adam Curry: because that, I
believe that was a meme that was
launched because it is indeed
very hard to understand how
Israel let their security lapse?
We don't have to go through all
the clips, but a cat could walk
past that wall or that
particular border structure, and
bells and alarms and everything
will go off, and machine guns
start firing automatically, but
no none of that, and it took
them hours and hours to come to
where the breach had occurred.
So I think we talked about at
the time, the comparison to 911
is probably pretty apt, because,
you know, that was an inside
job. I'm just going to say it at
least as a sufficient evidence
that we did, never got the full
story. WTC, seven, and we never
got, we never got the full
story. On October 7, on October
8, it was Hezbollah who started
shooting rockets over so now I'm
going to go to another podcast
called call me back. It's Dan
Senor, and he does this podcast
is pretty much for the past
year, has only been about what's
happening in Israel and Gaza and
Lebanon, and he has with him a
guy named Nadav Eyal. And here
is their assessment of the
situation in Israel, but
predominantly in Lebanon. And
what we
Unknown: are seeing here in the
last 14 days, and specifically
with the killing of Hassan
nastrala, the leader of us
designated terror organization,
a man with American blood on his
hands, and mainly, by the way,
the blood of Syrian Muslims on
his hands, dozens of 1000s of
Syrians. One of the reasons
we're seeing scenes of of
celebration around Syria as a
result, and not only in Syria,
but across the region, I've
I've gotten more messages since
October 7 from friends and
officials in the Sunni Arab
world, particularly the Sunni
Gulf, celebrating what Israel
did to Nasrallah. So
I'm getting the same kind of
messages. And the reason for
that is that strategically, the
tide has shifted. We have been
talking on your show, and I've
been making two points. The
first point is that Israel is
trying to restore the deterrence
it did not have on October 7,
when it was attacked by Hamas,
on October 8, when it was
attacked by Hezbollah, in April,
when it was attacked by Iran and
by the Houthis in between, and
the tide has changed, and what
Israel has done to Nasrallah,
the leader of the. Most well
funded and well founded terror
organization in the world, and
to its entire central command is
something that is simply
vibrating through the region and
has changed the region already.
This is a strategic change.
Sometimes, you know these kinds
of operations, they carry
tactical weight. There was
always someone to replace, not
in this case, very much like
Osama bin Laden. This was the
Hassan astrala that entered this
war, and he made the biggest
mistake by entering this war and
aligning himself with
yerkesinwar, the leader of
Hamas.
Adam Curry: So as I'm listening
to this podcast on the dog walk
last night, what really
triggered me was this next clip
when he brought up UN resolution
1701,
Unknown: all these calls for
ceasefires were misguided, that
the international community
should have been focused on
getting Hezbollah to move back,
back north of the latani River,
as it was mandated to do so
under UN Security Council
resolution 1701, after the 2006
Lebanon War. And for the last 11
months, there's been little to
none of a serious effort to
pressure Hezbollah. Yes, there's
been some behind the scenes
moves and whatnot, but there
hasn't been a full thrall. The
international community was not
mobilized to pressure Hezbollah,
and that failure to focus on
Hezbollah the way Israel was
keeping an eye on Hezbollah and
thinking about its next move on
Hezbollah is as responsible or
as much of a driver to this
moment as anything absolutely,
I was amazed when I saw the
Biden Emmanuel Macron
declaration saying after the
quote, unquote escalation in
South Lebanon, in other words,
after, Israel was having one
success after The other, that
now they're calling for 21 days
of ceasefire. So
Adam Curry: the way this came
across to me is, wait a minute.
Everybody was just letting this
happen. There was, there was no
calls for, you know, that this
was against. I mean, the minute
something's against, the UN
resolution, usually, and
everyone's there, everyone's in
New York, like, How come nobody
said anything? So back to your
guy from your clip, I pulled a
little piece. His name is David
wormer. He's the guy who had, I
think was, an NTD clip.
Unknown: He never lived up to
its side of seven, resolution
1701 and that's now the Israeli
demand that resolution 1701 be
actually implemented. And if the
UN and the World doesn't force
on Hezbollah to live up to its
terms, the Israelis will go in
on the ground and force
Hezbollah to live up to its
terms.
Adam Curry: So back to the email
from the guy who talked about
our incredible blunder he
taught, he says, David wormer, a
simple book of knowledge review
would have sent up many red
flags about this guy. He just
heard, as per the book of
knowledge, David wormer has a
PhD in international relations
from John Hopkins University. He
worked in navy intelligence. He
was the Middle East advisor to
Dick Cheney and Special
Assistant to John Bolton. This
alone should be enough to make
anything he says, suspect. Dig a
little deeper, and we find that
he was working as an advisor to
Dick Cheney. He was investigated
by the FBI for espionage. Blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. When I
hear all those names, and I'm
already putting the Israeli 911
in my head, okay, so this guy
has a message to send, and
actually what this blunder turns
out to be quite the great find,
because where are we on the list
right now of the West Clark
seven? And then
Unknown: I came back to the
Pentagon. About six weeks later,
I saw the same officer. I said,
Why? Why haven't we attacked
Iraq? We still going to attack
Iraq. He said, Oh, sir. He says
it's worse than that. He pulled
up a piece of paper off his
desk. He said, I just got this
memo from the Secretary of
Defense's office. It says we're
going to that says we're going
to attack and destroy the
governments in seven countries
in five years. We're going to
start with Iraq, and then we're
going to move to Syria, Lebanon,
Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.
Adam Curry: We have them all
now, except for Iran, and
Lebanon was one that we hadn't
quite captured. And Lebanon is
really important, strategic,
political, Geo, strategically. I
mean, they've got this port.
They've got, we know that this
huge gas fields offshore The
place has been in in a in a
state of disarray for quite a
while, financial disarray. I
think that it's probably true
that certainly the younger
generation is happy this got
this family man is off the
scene, that there's no one
really to follow him up. They
blew up with the pagers, all of
the probably lieutenants or
whatever. And there may be some
kind, you know, the IDF. We
already heard that on Thursday.
IDF is probably. Going to go in,
we may see some form of a
revolution, albeit probably a
peaceful one, to change what is
happening in Lebanon, to make it
us friendly. And now we come
back to our dude named Mohammed,
who says, you know, I wonder if
America is working with Iran to
get all some stuff done we have
it's not Iran it's not the
Iranian people, it's the
Revolutionary Guard, it's the
mullahs, it's the it's the
Supreme Leader. So we need to
take those guys out, and we need
a reason. If only we had a
reason. What could the reason
be? If I
Unknown: were president and a
former president and a leading
candidate. I'm the leading
candidate by far to be the next
president, and that leading
candidate was under threat. But
if I were the president, I would
inform the threatening country,
in this case, Iran, that if you
do anything to harm this person,
we are going to blow your
largest cities and the country
itself to smithereens. We're
going to blow it to smithereens.
You can't do that. And
Adam Curry: right on cue, my
neighbor, Laura Logan, connected
to Defense Intelligence Agency
through her husband, who no
longer is in service, comes out
with a post urgent, according to
informant in New Mexico, Trump's
plane is the next target for
assassination. Nine heat seeking
surface to air missiles have
been smuggled into the US for
this purpose, and there are
three kill teams already inside
the country. Trump has been
informed. So have the US, Intel
agencies and other authorities.
Money has been transferred to a
cartel to push this over the
border. These people are
cornered and vicious. They will
stop at nothing. So only one of
two scenarios is now possible,
either.
John C Dvorak: I like the way
you dramatize it. It is good
dramatize Well,
Adam Curry: I mean, that's the
way the church lady Text group
dramatized it, because they're
like, oh, Laura poses this, you
know, Infowars, multiple sources
now confirm surface to air
missiles inside us to target
Trump
John C Dvorak: forced one. Oh,
you're getting,
Adam Curry: I'm getting, Alex.
I'm getting, I'm doing it, I'm
doing it. I'm doing it. So one
of two scenarios is possible.
One is something actually
happens, President Trump is
assassinated by a surface to air
missile, God forbid, but I'm
just saying God forbid, but it
would certainly be a reason to
target Iran. I think more likely
is, this is Trump's job, and it
is probably said, and I just
have to step back where many
people believe that Israel
controls America, I believe the
opposite. We control Israel.
It's our aircraft carrier in the
desert in the sand. And this has
been a setup from one year ago
to get every single piece of the
chessboard all the way up to
Iran, and there will be a
reason, probably, for Trump, as
President, to take out the
National Guard, the moolahs, the
whole kit and caboodle. It may
be just as surgical. He may have
more pager blow ups or whatever,
and then but a Bing, but a boom.
We have the West Clark seven
completed, and then the Neo cons
have exactly what they wanted.
Instead of taking three years,
it took them 23 years. That's
what this feels like to me, and
John C Dvorak: took them a long
time. Can I take do a little
meta on this? Yeah, please. Is
it possible because of, if you
back off to your own thesis and
Muhammad's commentary about how
the Israelis and the Americans
and the Iranians were already
working together, that they've
already been taken over.
Adam Curry: Very possible. And,
and, you know, and the rest of
it is all
John C Dvorak: show, all shows,
all theater,
Adam Curry: fireworks,
fireworks. Yeah, completely
possible.
John C Dvorak: I mean, and
that's the reason they had to
get rid of Nasrallah. They were
also, how did anybody, I don't
care how good Mossad is, or our
people, how do they know where
this guy is, where they can do a
targeted bunker buster from a I
get an F 16, or whatever plane
they shot, it from which has
been documented, a targeted
bunker buster that went and blew
up the basement and went through
and killed this guy when he's
never, ever seen who, how did
they ever know where he was?
This is an inside job.
Interesting.
Adam Curry: You bring that up. I
didn't clip it, but the that Al
guy on the dance in your call me
back podcast, he said exactly
what you're saying. Like this
was, what kind of intelligence,
how did they get? And he went on
to say, I have my thoughts. You
know, I'm working on sources
like, not going to say anything
about it yet. So everyone's
asked. Asking this question, How
was this possible? I agree,
inside job. It is the the 911 of
the Middle East and and we're
almost done. I mean, Syria, we,
you know, we have troops there.
Sudan, big mess. It's all our
arms that
John C Dvorak: are. Got to
remember, they've killed off
that, that one superstar leader
in I don't know, where was it,
Lebanon. They got him in this
hotel room and they blew up,
though, they supposedly sent a
missile, it turns out to be a
bomb in a room in Tehran to take
out this other guy who knows is
absolutely right when he says,
These guys have been
disappearing one after the
other, and they're all a threat
to the system.
Adam Curry: So now we just need
some big fireworks. It would, it
would be kind of cool to have
some surface to air missiles not
hit anything but go off. You
know, more more cool fireworks.
I mean, that's that. It has to
be something like that. You got
to go back to the to ground zero
on October 7, bull crap the
Israelis. Whoa, whoa. How did
that happen? No way. This thing
was a setup from the beginning.
Unfortunately, had to kill, you
know, like 50,000 men, women and
children in Gaza. But I think
they thought it was worth it,
and they don't care. They killed
3000 Americans on 911 they don't
care, sent in millions of
troops. Wound up killing a
million Iraqis. They killed
John C Dvorak: left and right.
I'm always go, I take it all the
way back to that Korean flight
that flew, you know, an inch
over Moscow. It was just
accidental move, or even though
they turns out the thing was
filled with cameras. It was
taking pictures of some base,
yeah, and there was a bunch of
paying passengers in that plane,
yeah, you know, they paid good
money to take a nice, safe
flight to Tokyo, where everyone
was headed, and they all got
killed. Nobody cares. And
Adam Curry: by the way, they
didn't care, sending out a
dangerous product to inject to
the American people and the rest
of the world. They don't care.
Guess the price, and
Unknown: neither did Trump.
Adam Curry: FYI, so this would
be the perfect reason for Trump
to become president. Perfect.
He's been threatened. He says,
Hey, I'm gonna he basically
says, I'll blow you to
smithereens if you threaten me,
although he said, Oh, if it was
the opposing candidate, yeah,
whatever. You know, there's, you
see the videos, these slick
videos which are clearly CGI,
computer generated media, CGM,
maybe I should say, with, you
know, supposedly made by Iran,
put on the on the Ayatollah's
webpage or the President's
webpage. And it's Trump golfing
at Mar a Lago, and this robot
with a camera, you know, little,
you know, little four wheel job
rolls along, and then it goes up
there, and it targets the
president, and then all of a
sudden, the drone kills him. On
on the eighth hole. This is all
part of the show. The question
is, does it come as an October
surprise? Which would make
sense. You know, Trump's the
guy. He's the guy that'll take
him out. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb
Iran, bomb them, bomb them and
bomb them again. Everybody's
teed up, especially Fox News.
You
John C Dvorak: Well, I think
they've already got Iran in the
pocket. I think this whole
thing, they're not going to bomb
Iran anytime soon, and I think
the mullahs knew that. And this,
with this whole thing, is this
something of a ski. I mean, it's
a complete scam, from top to
bottoms, exactly. And with that,
it's well done.
Adam Curry: It's, it's very well
done, because we've already
forgotten October 7. We already
forgot that we're already beyond
it. We're beyond it. All right,
Trump's out there talking a big
game about it, and Iranian was
going to kill Trump. Okay, sure,
sure. We'll see what happens.
And with that, I'd like to thank
you for your currency in the
morning, to you, the man who put
the sea in the climate week in
New York. Say hello to my friend
on the other end, the one and
only. Mr. Johnson
Unknown: thunder,
John C Dvorak: welcome to I'm
sorry. In the morning to you and
Mr. Adam curry, also in the
morning, ship sea boots and
Raffy in the air, steps of the
water, all the games and nights
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John C Dvorak: podcast here, I
ran into a whole series of you
being on all these random
podcasts. Was
Adam Curry: it on tick tock? And
did you get into the Al? Did the
algo suck you in?
John C Dvorak: No, it was on
YouTube. Oh, also, same
Adam Curry: thing and, and I was
always very, I'm very
complimentary, am I not about
you? Especially about you? No,
no, okay,
John C Dvorak: I think there's,
I will talk to you about it
after the show. I do have some
thoughts. Oh, did I do something
wrong? Well, it's no, it's
nothing bad. But I think you,
you have a pitch, and you, I
think you're de emphasizing one
of the elements of the pitch,
which is that we don't do
premium content.
Adam Curry: Oh, I, sometimes I
forget that, yes,
John C Dvorak: because that you
can really go out because
premium this i and the reason
that comes up to comes to mind
is I was, there was some 404,
media, whenever this one group
does the sub stackers, and then
they go on about how they're
going to do a podcast about
this, about this column, and
then there's going to be premium
content for these subscribers.
And I'm thinking, Why? Why? Why
are you hiding it? Is the
information better than the
stuff you're normally telling
us? Is it secretive? Can you can
you ever refer to it because
it's premium? Why are you
forcing is the material you're
actually trying to service a
greater audience? Are you just
trying to cut it, cut them off?
I mean, I I just don't
understand the mentality behind
and this was all started by
Patreon. I do not understand the
mentality of premium content.
Thank you. In other words, I
mean, it should all, if it's all
premium Yeah, it's like a stock
market newsletter. You have to
pay for it because it's all
premium content. It's not for
the general it's not just free
information, because you can
make money from money making
content. Yes, but in the case of
this show and these and all
these other podcasts. Why are
you hiding some of the
information from the general
listener, many of whom can't
afford to to subscribe to
anything. We have a lot of
people that I just know. They
just can't afford it. They can't
afford five bucks.
Adam Curry: Yeah, and I think
this is an excellent point.
Thank you for reminding me. Do
we have to have the meeting
still, or can we not have the
meeting?
John C Dvorak: There's some
other issues. I'm
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous.
John C Dvorak: I'll bring them
out. I'm
Adam Curry: gonna be nervous. I
John C Dvorak: don't know why
you keep harping on the you have
now come up with a new thesis,
that we hate each other.
Adam Curry: I never said we hate
each other.
John C Dvorak: Yes, you
suggested it.
Adam Curry: I said we're not
really friends. Y'all know you
John C Dvorak: said we're not
really friends. We might even
hate each other. You said that
it's a joke. It's not perceived
as a joke by me. I'm sorry.
Adam Curry: Well,
Unknown: do you love me? I
John C Dvorak: think we are
friends. If you ask for a favor
from a friend, I would give you
the favor. I've
Adam Curry: only been to dinner
at your house once. You live in
John C Dvorak: Texas.
Adam Curry: I used to live in
California, even then once, and
you didn't even let me see your
studio.
John C Dvorak: Well, no, you're
not going to see the studio,
okay, under any circumstances.
But that's beside the point. We
used to go to dinner a lot when
you were near.
Adam Curry: It was really a
build out because I got bored of
telling people I should go back
to saying we don't talk outside
of the show to keep it fresh.
That's that's where that comes
from.
John C Dvorak: Okay? And you
also leave out the part that
this is performance art, yeah,
you're not using it.
Adam Curry: No, that's your
term. You always use the term,
yeah, but you know it's right. I
John C Dvorak: Okay. I didn't
know that you were reluctant to
okay, you don't see it that way.
No, okay,
Adam Curry: no, I see it that
way. But I don't like the term.
I like saying because, you know,
performance art, think makes me
think of Bjork or Lady Gaga.
John C Dvorak: Okay, I get it. I
get it.
Unknown: Well with me, I
John C Dvorak: could see where
you could be. I find it
objectionable, objectionable.
Adam Curry: But what I usually
try to explain and, and, yes,
sometimes I You're absolutely
right. I'm taking the criticism
as as constructive. What, what
I, what I did say in that same
interview is, you know, we have,
sometimes up to 100 clips, and
we're just playing off each
other. We don't play them all,
but this is an ongoing creative
process, and we just flow into
each other. And
John C Dvorak: I'm not gonna,
I'm not gonna, yes, we do. I'm
not gonna name the podcaster
because I get because honestly
don't remember his name. But
there was some guy who were on
some podcast where I swear,
because I had the time codes, it
was 37 minutes before he even
put you on the screen, and then
he talked another 10 minutes
before he let you say a word. It
was almost an hour of the whole
podcast of him jabbering.
Adam Curry: I'm trying to think
what this must have been a while
back. I'm trying to think it
John C Dvorak: was, it wasn't,
it wasn't, not that far back. It
was maybe three or four months
ago, and it was yak, yak, yak. I
mean this. And it was, I don't,
I don't want to insult a fellow
podcaster, even though
Adam Curry: I remember there was
a podcast like that where this
happened. I remember telling
Tina, like, wow, like guy talk
more than than me. Just kept on
talking. I don't, I don't
remember who it was, yeah, yeah,
and that's okay, but absolutely
Point taken. And of course,
we're friends,
Unknown: kind of kissing
cousins,
John C Dvorak: so I'm not going
to take anything. I'm not
kissing
Adam Curry: now. Do we not have
to have the meaning, or is there
even more?
John C Dvorak: There's one or
two things in a little more? No,
Adam Curry: oh no. Oh no. Hey,
let me critique your interview.
Oh, wait, you don't do any,
okay, I've
John C Dvorak: done a couple.
You promote the show.
Adam Curry: When's the last time
you promoted the show? Exactly,
I'm out there living on the
edge, man, I'm taking all the
hits and people email me when
they're angry at you. Well,
John C Dvorak: that's fine. It's
working out for me.
Adam Curry: I refuse to have
this meeting after the show.
There's something else you need
to say. You can say it now. No,
well, is it constructive? Will
it improve the promotion of
John C Dvorak: the show? No, no,
Adam Curry: it's just you
bitching about me. Is
John C Dvorak: that what it is?
No, it's a suggestion. Okay,
Unknown: all right, you can
suggest it. No, no, because
John C Dvorak: this is no,
because no, it's bond to it
properly in public.
Adam Curry: I will respond. I
You really can't make me mad
anymore, except the other day,
John C Dvorak: the other day
try. That's the reason the
Adam Curry: other day you
thought I was mad when I said,
Hey, why don't you just do the
show with Mo. I think I did say
that. Yes, you did.
John C Dvorak: I don't know. I
mean, I like Mo, but yeah, he's
he's more than I can take.
Adam Curry: There you go. Hello,
everybody. All right, so Good
point. There's no premium
content you can't access, and
people who can't afford to
support us with their treasure
of the time, talent and
treasure. You can support us in
other ways, by telling people to
listen, by promoting us somehow.
One of the ways that we like to
receive value, and our value for
value model, is from our
artists. We have a lot of them,
and they use no agenda, Art
generator.com, we were talking a
lot about AI on the last show.
PS, producers, you don't have to
send me the notebook. Lm,
podcast that you made up. Okay,
everybody is coming up with ID.
Did you get all did you get a
number of these?
John C Dvorak: Yes, and I'm
gonna I, since I'm working on a
sub stack column about this, I
one of them I do want to
actually use, go have a link to,
yeah, anyone can do these. I
mean, it just, I know, but the
notebook LM is terrible, and by
the way, so I'm sitting at
dinner with their family on
Friday, and I just mentioned
notebook LM and JC, who's in the
AI, he's got an AI company.
Says, oh, that's the greatest.
What? So I called him out? He
Adam Curry: says, The Greatest.
Let's do a deep dive. This is
mind blowing. Oh, yeah, ah,
yeah. That then, after you
called him out, what happened?
John C Dvorak: He immediately
backed off. He said, Yeah, it
sucks. So
Adam Curry: this one producer,
since we're on it, he uploaded a
text file that had like three
words in it. Monk, I think was
like one. What does monkey taint
smell like? That was literally
the input for the podcast. And
he did three others, you know,
like, okay, but I do have to
play just a little bit of this
one.
Bag: Okay, you've got to hear
this one. Today's deep dive is
dot unique. Our listener wants
to know, what does a monkey
taint smell like.
Unknown: And frankly,
who am I to judge? Let's dive
in. You
Douche: know, it's funny, isn't
it? The listener gives us this
single, open ended question, no
extra info, nothing. Just what?
What does a monkey taint smell
like? Right?
Bag: No, I was at the zoo the
other day and or I've always
wondered, just straight to the
monkey taint. So where do we
even start with this? I mean, on
the one hand, it's a question
about a smell, presumably. So
Douche: we're already making
assumptions. Well, yeah, I
Bag: guess we are. Okay. So it's
question about smell,
potentially, and it's about
monkeys.
John C Dvorak: How are they
making assumptions? That's
exactly what the question was.
Adam Curry: This is why it's,
John C Dvorak: what does that
smell like, in
Bag: some way, but it's also got
this word taint, yeah, that's
Douche: the real curveball,
isn't it? Curveball? It's a real
curveball, John. It's evocative,
suggestive, not your average
neutral word for a body part,
because you wonder what kind of
smell the listener is picturing.
You know exactly
Bag: like. Are we talking about
something acrid, musky, sweet,
putrid? The word taint kind of
implies something a bit
offensive, right? Oh, man,
Adam Curry: this is how bad it
is.
John C Dvorak: Now, this is
Google. I want to say a couple
of things before we will get off
this in a second for people or
think it sucks, but this is
Google. They're editorializing.
There's example after example of
them editorializing one thing or
another. It's got nothing to do
with what this is supposed to
be. Notebook. It's supposed to
be, take your notes and then
turn them into some sort of
narrative so you can, you know,
listen to it. You learn. You can
be educated. It's not supposed
to teach it, you know, life
lessons. It's called notebook.
Hello. What does notebook mean?
Adam Curry: And the sad thing
is, it probably cost $5 to
create this podcast in compute
cost. I think you're low in
Compute costs.
John C Dvorak: I think you're
low.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I might be, I
might be, that's and, dude, I'm
telling you not you do. But
dudes, dude, when they really
start charging you what it costs
for this nonsense. It's gonna,
it's over. No one's gonna use it
like, you know, it's really, you
know, someone sent me a song
about the pod files that's
really cute. If it had cost you
10 bucks you've done it. No,
exactly. It's not that cute.
It's because it's free. Now,
we'll talk more about that
later. Let's get back to our
artists. Because we were talking
about the concept of AI slop,
which I'm hearing now, even on
Bloomberg, I heard him talking
about it. So the term is out
there AI slop, which is ruining
review websites is ruining
comments is ruining websites
where people upload short
stories they've written.
Everything is now chat, GPT,
anthropic, Claude, slop, Gemini.
And so we felt it was only
fitting to choose a piece of AI
slop, which came from comic
strip blogger,
John C Dvorak: creative, quite
good, quite good, quite a good
piece. Yes,
Adam Curry: well, give it, you
know, give it to mid journey or
wherever, whatever. AI system,
computer generated imagery
system, did this. It was a
little computer lady with a bowl
of AI slop. It was boom,
John C Dvorak: deep dive, yeah,
and it was slopping all over the
place. It was green goo.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was good.
John C Dvorak: She's a robot,
yeah, it was, it was a, it was a
compositions, dynamite did a
terrific job. Yes,
Adam Curry: we almost went with
Ukraine. Loves bombs by Nico
Sime, which we, actually liked
it better, just for the
dynamicness of the of the image,
which is a Ukrainian flag in a
heart shape, holding a bomb with
a cute little smile on his face.
But we immediately took, uh,
took issue with the Korean
Dvorak being almost unreadable.
It was unreadable. Very small.
John C Dvorak: He had jacked
that up to, well, it looks like
it's about, at least on this
little image, it's probably 14
points, maybe, if he was jacked
it up to, like 4050, points. So
it was across the bottom, yeah.
Very probably would have won.
Unknown: Very small. We
Adam Curry: you kind of liked
Darren O'Neill's curry on Dvorak
2028 but you said it's a
violation because the name
Dvorak was much bigger than the
name curry. It was a violation,
which is a violation, violation,
um. Um, I, I liked the comic
strip bloggers, AI, the snake
eating its own tail, but you
didn't even see it. You didn't
see that. It was a snake eating
its own tail. So I
John C Dvorak: just saw a
circle, yeah, yeah. When you
pointed it out, I saw it, yeah.
But that's also had an AI eating
itself with a kind of a serpent
trying, but never got to it
wasn't, wasn't it? So that, no,
that wasn't gonna happen.
Adam Curry: And I think those
were the main ones that we
considered. Lots of people threw
up some other AI based stuff.
But of note was rocket boy, who
put two dorky nerds with
microphones and then curry
Dvorak on drum like, is that AI
us or something? What was that
all about?
John C Dvorak: I those are very,
as baffled as you. Very
Adam Curry: strange, very
strange choice he made there.
Well, I mean,
John C Dvorak: it's like, when
you see it you asked, have to
ask yourself Self, why did he
even submit it? Yeah, and
there's two microphones, one's a
big and they're not hooked to
anything. It's just like, it's a
bad AI.
Unknown: All right,
Adam Curry: that's our time and
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said that. You may have notes
for me. I've got a note. Got a
note
John C Dvorak: trying to improve
things. I got a note. No, no,
you take you take offense.
That's fine, not taking offense.
Adam the lesbian, what? Nothing.
Adam the lesbian, yeah, you just
some people get the gag, hmm,
Adam Curry: okay, well, the
troll room is just doing
question marks. Like, what is he
talking about anyway? Um, here's
my friend, the oil baron, who
has been, uh, discussed on this
show with, uh, he's definitely
give us some time and talent in
driftwood. Driftwood is that, I
think that's where Jason
Calacanis just bought his ranch.
John C Dvorak: Is there a lake
or an ocean around there where
there's driftwood, where
Adam Curry: they used to be,
long time ago, long, long time
ago, and the oil baron comes in
with $1,000 and just says from
the oil baron, and I could not
be happier. Thank you very much,
oil baron. And he hasn't. He
didn't ask for a knighting or a
or any type of title, but I will
ping him after the show and ask
him what
John C Dvorak: he wants. He
wants to be for a Commodore.
Give me always a certificate.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: yes, he should be a
Commodore oil baron. Commodore
Commodore the oil baron. We'll
get the information. And thank
you very much, brother, that's
my my buddy, Paul the oil baron.
A cool 1000 Jason
John C Dvorak: actually did move
there, huh? Oh,
Unknown: yeah, yeah.
Adam Curry: This would be a
interesting and another friend I
brought in, who supports,
where's your friends supporting?
Where's the lib Joe's
John C Dvorak: lib Joe's on
moving to Texas. Dennis Harrison
is up. He's in Beaumont,
Mississippi, and he wants to be
Commodore Harrison jingles. L
Sharpton, special jobs, jobs,
jobs, thank you for your value.
Love it. Knight. Name, sir. He
wants to be a knight. I guess
he's gotten to that point. And
Sir Harrison of the rednecks,
table request, wagyu, rib eye,
shabu, shabu with Riman noodles
and ASAHI SUPER DRY beer for
your information. Roseanne Barr
at the Tucker event in Dallas
was ridiculously over the top.
Okay, lol, he says, kind
regards. Dennis, yo,
Unknown: there's no real
conflict. Jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs. Let's vote for jobs.
Adam Curry: Karma. All right, we
move on to Sir eight bit Ben
from Evansville, Indiana, 512,
33 let's see what he has to say.
Sir eight bit Ben here would
like to claim the title of
Commodore VIC 20 with this V for
V donation. I would also ask the
peerage committee if I could
claim my overdue Baron title
accounting an eight bit Baron
Tesla license plate pick
attached. I didn't see the
picture. Must be cool. Does he
say sir eight bit Ben on his
license plate?
John C Dvorak: I don't have it.
I would like to
Adam Curry: claim the territory
of Southern Indiana. If the
committee approves, I see no
issue. By the way. Got to Baron
with my monthly chip donation of
6502 kindly asking other retro
geeks to join in on that
donation. Good one,
John C Dvorak: yes, 6502 it's
the original Apple two chip.
Yes. Indeed.
Adam Curry: For those who don't
know, the Commodore VIC 20 was a
very important computer for its
time, not only being promoted by
William Shatner, it was one of
the first computers used by many
famous tech figures like Linus,
Torvalds, uh, SART Satoru,
Iwata, who was that? Satoru?
Iwata, I have no idea. John
Carmack, who was that?
John C Dvorak: I know who that
is, but I can't think of it.
Elon
Adam Curry: Musk,
John C Dvorak: I doubt it, or
Adam Curry: himself, sir Abby
Ben and the podfather, Adam
curry, and he sent me a clip.
Did
John C Dvorak: you wait a stop
you? Your first computer was a
VIC 20? No,
Adam Curry: my first computer
was the Sinclair ZX 80.
John C Dvorak: Well, that's even
nerdier. And
Adam Curry: then my second
computer was the Vic 20, which
was not called the Vic 20. It
came from Germany. In Germany,
they called it something else. I
forget what it was the Vic 20,
because vicin means it's the F
word in
John C Dvorak: German, vicin
vicinity, okay?
Adam Curry: And he said, here's
the clip from show number 15 of
the no agenda show. I didn't,
didn't have a lot of dough
around. And then, of course, the
Vic 20, the Commodore VIC 20,
the predecessor to the Commodore
64 that was really my, my first
real computer that I hacked
around with. I built a I built
my own acoustic modem to use
with it. And we figured out they
had these ROM cartridges that
you could plug in with games.
And we figured out how to copy
the games from rom onto
cassettes, and we would sell
those. It was, it was a lot of
fun. There you go. How about how
about that sound? Huh? A
John C Dvorak: couple of things.
Yes, for one thing, and I'll
remember that, but I will say
that, and I should, because I
should have said something about
you built your own acoustic
modem, really, I
Adam Curry: sure did
John C Dvorak: with a couple of
speakers. No,
Adam Curry: it took a telephone
microphone. No, took, took an
existing telephone horn, and
pulled out the elements and then
put them in two little cardboard
boxes, and then had a very small
PC board that we connected to
the back of the visual me and my
mouse in your pocket. My buddy
dick radamachers And we both
worked at the electronic store
so we could steal all the
components.
John C Dvorak: So you're a
Larson, yes, on Saturday, on
Saturdays, that's what happened
to all the pencils over there at
me. Video, it
Adam Curry: worked at
approximately 75 baud, if I
recall. Yeah, sounds about
right. So I could punch a key,
and then that key would show up
on his screen. Finally, he says,
Can I get some jobs karma? After
being a dude named Ben and
leader of Ben for over 21 years,
I was recently let go. If anyone
has an interesting problem to
solve and is looking for an IT
leader that's not afraid of
change, has decades of
infrastructure experience and
actually understands how
computers work. I can be reached
at eight bit. Dot FYI, thank
you. Craig Kohler, aka sir AP
Ben Barron of Southern Indiana,
to be in a few moments. And
thank you very much. And here is
your jobs karma. Hope it works
out for you, brother, jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs karma,
John C Dvorak: sir becoming
heroic in sharerville, Indiana,
500 and all he says is he wants
to be, sir, becoming heroic
commodore of the unsinkable, two
beautiful it's, we
Adam Curry: shall make it so
anonymous Vista California, $500
in the morning. Gentlemen, I've
been wanting to donate for some
time, and between a recent
promotion and the prospect of a
Commodore title, I couldn't
justify being a douchebag any
longer. Please dedoosh. Me,
Unknown: you've been deduced. I
would
Adam Curry: like to be known as
Commodore Swizzle of the tiki
realms. Thank you both for all
you do no karma and no jingles
and thank you very much.
Anonymous.
John C Dvorak: Sir RJ of grand
point in Grand point or point,
Manitoba, California,
California, Canada. Manitoba,
California. It should be a man.
This should be this $500
donation equals $702.60
Canadians. Thanks. Justin
Trudeau, I missed my normal
3333, donation for my birthday
in July. As I've been working on
my own exit strategy, which is
now complete, between the carbon
tax, GST, PST, labor tax,
business tax, property tax, that
are all charged here in Canada,
I've decided that owning an
independent business isn't worth
all the bullshit anymore. Oh,
man. So at 56 I officially
joined the retired community,
and it's time to enjoy life.
Whoa.
Adam Curry: What's he gonna do?
Putter in the lawn.
John C Dvorak: He's gonna be
puttering in the backyard.
Adam Curry: Dude, there's much
more to do. 56 you're a baby.
You're just getting started.
He's
John C Dvorak: younger than
Adam. Yeah, I've bumped up my
normal donation amount for late
fees. And as a bonus, I get the
Commodore certificate as usual
for my birthday. Can you play
the OG Sharpton clip? Sir RJ of
grand point tonight
Unknown: is the measure of
whether the country begins in
the state of Wisconsin a
national drive to push back, or
whether we have more to go to
build a movement of resistance.
But resist we much, we must, and
we will much about that be
committed to classic that
is one of my favorites.
John C Dvorak: Yes, the classic.
That's what started us off on
the on finding Sharpton stuff.
Adam Curry: He's He's a gem.
He's a gem deserves every penny,
every penny. Yeah, you're always
complaining about how much he
makes every penny he deserves.
We have done well by him. He's
done well by us. Cory Baker is
in Fort Myers flyer Florida,
$500 and he says, should be
enough for a doubleting, double
knighting. Accounting will
follow. And we did not receive
his email from Cory Baker, I
looked, I'm sure you looked. I'm
John C Dvorak: looking now, as a
matter of fact, and I will say
this, so we got a Corey Baker
from May 24 about the newsletter
fiasco. We got a Cory Baker from
another newsletter fail. I guess
he keeps track of this in
October of last year. Nothing
since,
Adam Curry: okay, Corey Baker,
so we will keep it in abeyance
for you, and when you are
clearly you can email us, so
when it shows up, we'll, we'll
take care of
John C Dvorak: you indeed.
Onward with Sir Schwartz in
Langa, Deutsch, Denmark. Ah,
he's in Langa. Denmark, 500 from
Sir Schwartz, now commodore of
Butland. Denmark. E o n,
Unknown: that's it.
John C Dvorak: Perfect. The
comment, all right. Steven
utland, Stephen
Adam Curry: crummy, El Cajon. Am
I saying that right? Yep. El
Cajon. El Cajon, California, 500
this donation not only makes me
a Commodore, but puts me over
the threshold for knighting. Dub
me sir, Steve, protector of the
ERISA. ERISA, ERISA, there we
go. ERISA, E R, i, s, a, oh,
it's the law that governs
pension funds, the
administration of which is my
profession. ERISA, beef
enchiladas and rocks margaritas
at the round table, please. And
how about an F the EU from that
demon Vicky Newland,
there you go. Thank you very
much. See the roundtable
John C Dvorak: you know,
hearkening back on that note we
got from the guy bitching about
our use of that character to
determine the 1701, issue, he
goes on about how it should be
red flagged and this, and that
red flag actually knowing,
knowing all that about the guy
was
Adam Curry: helpful, was good,
it was
John C Dvorak: it hell, because
we we play Vicky Newland clips,
because she does have pertinent
information, and some of it's
coded, and some of it's
necessary messaging, and it's
important to play this stuff,
yes,
Adam Curry: and that's what I
said, is, even though it was
meant as a You guys suck type
email, it really helped me. I
was like, Oh, this makes sense,
John C Dvorak: yes, because it
got you into a rabbit hole. Yes,
that's a helping anybody. Yeah,
it
Adam Curry: was helping. We
figured it out. We figured out.
Iran, hello, oh, I'm not
supposed to say that. People are
saying I say hello too much.
John C Dvorak: Oh, are you? Are
you saying hello too much? Well,
Adam Curry: I went to the
transcript. I said it three
times in the last show, which I
think is too much. Hello, hello.
No So hello. Who
John C Dvorak: says that more
than you do? Mark Levin, Oh,
Hello America. No,
Adam Curry: no. It's, it's not
just hello as in a greeting, but
it's like, hello,
Unknown: hello,
Adam Curry: you know, do you not
get it yet? It's no good. I'm,
what are we drinking?
John C Dvorak: No, no. He's, oh,
this is a Topo Chico. Oh no,
from going back to the classics.
Yes, No. He says it the same way
you're you know, he says it
that. He doesn't say it as a
greeting. He does exactly the
same way you do. We're in the
middle of some say hello, so you
don't know it. Well,
Adam Curry: that's more reason
for me not to do it.
John C Dvorak: No reason for Sir
Mike of ax head watch, oh, in
Clinton Township, Michigan, the
wooden watch guy, yeah, 333,
yes. Three, three. Those watches
are great, by the way, and he's
apparently back in business.
Three, three, 3.33. Dear John
and Adam, I've been quite a time
since I donated. I Since I
haven't had the funds. Oh, due
to some bad deals and bad luck,
I've been unable to keep afford
to keep ax head watch dot shop.
Ax head, watch dot shop open. I
have not been able to get back
to being a dude named Ben in the
mortgage industry since peak
covid. After a year of
unemployment, I became a
forklift certified earlier this
summer, which is, I've driven
forklift, sir, it's
Adam Curry: fun. They're fun to
drive,
John C Dvorak: they're fun to
drive. And then back to steady
employment and income. I didn't
know you had to have a
certificate. I never did. I have
also been once again, now,
because I wasn't a professional,
I drove a fork. That doesn't
mean I was no
Adam Curry: it's probably a
violation of all kinds of labor
laws that you drove it.
John C Dvorak: I have also been,
once again, nominated for the
United States Congress on mi 10,
Michigan district 10. Yeah,
Michigan 10. And I've I'm sorry
at Michigan 10. Now I can afford
to open the online store back
up. Acced Watch, dot shop. I'd
like to encourage promo code
ITM, and it's gone from a 20%
discount to 33% off all wooden
watches. Tax head watch. Dot
shop for my going out of
business sale. So he's going to
get rid of all his watches.
These watches, yeah, we both
have one. You both have one.
They're they're quite unique and
Adam Curry: and if the
apocalypse comes, you can use it
as a handy fire starter.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I never
thought of that. I do believe he
says, this brings me to Baron. I
would like to be sir Mike of the
Fairfax, liberator of Michigan,
10 Baron of Lichtenstein. Please
provide me with jobs karma for
this election, an upcoming
business, and some sort of
health karma for my smoking hot
wife, Dame Kelly, who is back in
the hospital unfortunately for a
few days. Sir Mike of watch X,
watch head, liberator of
Michigan's 10th district.
Adam Curry: All right for Dame
Kelly, we'll add in a goat.
Jobs,
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs. Karma.
Adam Curry: Sir Jeremy chumpati
is a Associate Executive
Producer today with a run on
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gentlemen. It's my 62nd
birthday. It falls on a podcast
day. It would be remiss of me
not to donate. Thank you for
your courage, sir Jeremy
chimfatti Baronet, fatty
Oakville, Ontario, candinavia.
All right, you're on the list.
John C Dvorak: I'll tell you, if
you like to burp a lot, this
Adam Curry: way to go, it'll do
it. It'll do it. I know it's
very, very bubbly.
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in will
Williston, North Dakota, 210,
60. A little over a year ago, I
made an investment over $10,000
as someone who was supposed to
mentor me with starting a
business without going into
detail, it's obviously it's run
off with all my money. Oh no,
that sucks. It's within the
limits to file in small claims
court, which I could do myself,
but I'm really looking for
someone in the community to help
me out with with with it, if
they have some legal expertise,
hopefully for free, small
claims. You know, I
Adam Curry: thought Small Claims
had a limit of 5000 is as
John C Dvorak: on this it
depends on the jurisdiction.
Okay, in most states, I think it
is 5000 interesting, and it's
pretty easy to win. It
Adam Curry: is you just file it,
you're probably gonna win. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I can do all the
legwork with legwork, but advice
concerning the red tape and
pitfalls would help me out. It's
not really that many. It would
really just come down to
exchanging some emails here and
there and just putting out and
just putting it out there. If
someone got the time, I if I get
my money back, I'm going to be a
big donator. Thanks to all you
do every one else, please donate
now. Okay, he's given us no
information, as he's anonymous.
Yeah, that's really helpful.
How. Is anyone supposed to help
you?
Adam Curry: Maybe Jay has his
information so you can email
notes at no agenda show.net, if
you think you can help him out.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, maybe that
might work and they just do
that. It won't hurt. And
Adam Curry: there's Eli the
coffee guy from bensonville,
Illinois. We are just about
rounding up our list here,
Associate Executive Producer at
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I told him, I don't know if you
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BDSM, don't enslave me. Kamala,
I don't understand, but just
John C Dvorak: don't. It's just
that don't enslave me. Camel, as
a
Unknown: bondage, don't enslave
me. Camel,
Adam Curry: there you go.
Camela, yeah, racist, racist
kid, mispronouncing her name on
purpose.
John C Dvorak: Linda loupatkins
comes in from Lakewood,
Colorado, as usual, and
surprisingly enough, she asks
for jobs karma, and then she
says for a faster, more
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Let's
Adam Curry: vote for jobs. All
right, we rounded out with one
final donation. Associate
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Here's the Hoff. And he says,
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Unknown: our formula is this, we
go out. We hit people in the
mouth. Shut
Adam Curry: up. No agenda
donations.com. No agenda
donations.com. You I
John C Dvorak: have a little
three clipper on election fraud.
That's kind of interesting. But
before we do that, I do have my
every show a I Kevin Gavin
Newsom
Adam Curry: to see if you can
get arrested
John C Dvorak: because you are
breaking legal break,
Adam Curry: breaking California
law, breaking the law.
John C Dvorak: Every clip is a
scofflaw. So here he is. I This
one came out about it two weeks
ago, and I missed it. This is a
news I didn't realize that
Newsom's endorsing Trump. Today.
I'm
Unknown: here to do something
that some may think or believe
is unheard of. Yes, the news
reports are correct. I Gavin
Newsom, am here to endorse none
other than Donald J Trump for
President of the United States.
Trump's got this knack for
making America the center of
attention, whether it's on
Twitter or on the global stage.
He's like that friend who always
has the best stories at dinner,
who wouldn't want that kind of
energy. But seriously, in this
endorsement, I see an
opportunity, an opportunity for
dialog, for understanding, for
maybe, just maybe, finding
common ground. Trump is hands
down, the best candidate in this
race. Because if there's one
thing I've learned in politics,
it's that sometimes you've got
to dance with the one who
brought you, or in this case,
the one who's brought the most
entertainment, Trump 2024
Adam Curry: it's pretty good.
It's pretty good. Now, did you
just find this? Or did you make
John C Dvorak: I actually
searched for it. The his, I
think, is, I think his on this
one, I think the speed and
cadence is a little faster than
it should be. Yes, it is. He
doesn't quite talk that fast,
but it's good, and I can see why
this, something like this would
would upset him before
Adam Curry: you move to the
election fraud. Just to wrap up
the AI, I'd like to play one
clip, because there have been
some developments that need
brief discussion amongst us.
Unknown: Open. AI, the world's
most valuable AI startup has
lost another chief executive,
Chief Technology Officer, Mira
Marathi, is one of more than 20
key staff who've departed this
year, leaving CEO Sam Altman
with just one of his fellow co
founders. Is it a real problem
or just growing pains? Let's ask
technology editor Peter O'Brien,
Peter open, AI, currently trying
to raise a lot of money. So
surely this can't look good for
investors. Hi,
Caris, well, you're right. Open,
AI, at the moment, they're
trying to get about six and a
half billion US dollars from
investors hoping to close that
round by the end of next week.
That would value them at 150
billion US dollars. I think
let's just start off by putting
that into context, because it's
a tall order. What they're
asking for that would almost
double their their value. It
would also put them just not too
far behind something like
SpaceX, which has launched about
95 rockets into space this year.
And, you know, obviously behind
the third place behind the byte
dance for Jones Tiktok, which
has a billion monthly active
users worldwide. So yes, they're
wanting to be really, really one
of the three big, big startups
in the world. And it doesn't
exactly inspire confidence that
there have been all of these
departures from open AI, but
we've also seen further reports
this week that OpenAI is looking
to restructure into a for profit
with a nonprofit arm, changing
from its current format, which
is a nonprofit with a rather
large for profit arm. What does
this mean? This really means
that investors are probably
going to start thinking actually
they are more interested in my
return on investment, then their
current very nebulous goal of
trying to create an AI for all
of humanity, which is smarter
than humanity, but which is also
safe and beneficial, right? The
investors want a return
eventually, and a shift to a for
profit structure would give some
confidence.
Adam Curry: They've brought in
the Saudis for this round, which
means they're really desperate.
In my book, Apple dropped out of
this investment round, like,
Nah, we're not going to
participate. And from what I
understand, you don't even get
stock. You get some a new
concept called PP, us, which is
profit participation units,
Unknown: not even a warrant,
Adam Curry: wow. So when they
start to make profit, okay, the
Saudis, the Saudis, of course, I
mean, Microsoft is going to put
another billion in in compute.
So it's not actually money, you
know, there is
John C Dvorak: some some time,
yes,
Adam Curry: some, some, some
time. Computer time. Yeah, but
like the old mainframe days.
Hey, man,
John C Dvorak: I'm reminded,
since the app you said Apple
dropped out, I have you seen
this commercial where, uh,
promoting, of course, the non
existent Apple intelligence AI,
where there's a girl, she's at a
party. She looks around the
corner and she sees some guy,
oh, and the guy standing there,
she's she knows she recognizes
him from another party from
maybe a month ago. So she she
turns around and hides behind a
a wall, and then grabs her phone
and says to the phone, hey, what
was the name of that guy that I
met at that party a month ago?
Unknown: Yeah,
Adam Curry: have you seen this?
No, no.
John C Dvorak: She says, What
was the name of the guy at that
party a month ago? This is an
Apple commercial. Yes, an Apple
commercial. And then the phone
comes back, oh, that's Zach such
and such. No, and she goes into
she turns around and gets past
the wall, and as a guy comes up
to her says, Hey, Zach, how you
doing? He saw I'm surprised you
remembered my name. No. And I'm
thinking, what bull crap.
Unknown: Oh, man,
Are they kidding? I guess not.
I'm
John C Dvorak: not the only I've
seen this commercial twice now.
Adam Curry: I'm looking for it
on YouTube. I don't see it
John C Dvorak: well when you'll
see if you watch, well, you
don't watch as much network TV
as I do. So you might not
Adam Curry: know, just on the on
the Apple film, on the Apple
thing, Rob, you have to
John C Dvorak: be an idiot to
believe that this could even
happen.
Adam Curry: Robert, who was
listening to us on Episode 1698
said I was yelling at my phone.
I was yelling at my phone
because you were talking about
if Apple made that Sarco pod,
you know, the death pod that
they used in Switzerland, yeah,
yeah. The pod, yeah. And he said
the name, obviously would be
called Die pod, hello. He said,
Hello. Not me. He said, The die
the die pod, like, Where were
you in the troll room? Man,
that's.
John C Dvorak: That's a good
line you would have and you
would have taken credit for it.
No, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, no, see, I
even gave him credit right here.
I can give him credit right
here. I
John C Dvorak: have one letter
to read, since you're bringing
this sort of thing up. This from
producer Chris. He says, I know
it's probably too late for
today. Apparently, it's not. But
I wanted to address the CEO of
norvo novo, Nordisk. Novo
Nordisk stating before Congress
that insurance companies control
drug prices. We talked about
this in the last show.
Ultimately you say, you could
say they do, like a grocery
store determines the prices of a
can of soup after a sale and
allowing a coupon, but the drug
companies absolutely control
where the price of a drug enters
the market. Drug companies set
the average wholesale price,
AWP, let's say 1000 a month.
Then they sell the drug to
wholesalers at some price less
than that, let's say 700 is the
wholesale acquisition caused
whack, which is then inflated a
bit when selling to pharmacies.
And there are middlemen
involved. Insurers set their
prices a percentage of the AWP,
and going on and on. He says, if
no vote, Nordisk wanted to set
the price of ozempic at 50 bucks
a month, they could they
absolutely control lowering the
AWP, which would cascade through
the market as much as lower
price, as to a lower price of
the consumers, saying insurers
are ultimately responsible for
the price of a drug is akin to
saying car dealers are
responsible for the price of a
car and ignoring what their cost
is to acquire it from the
manufacturer, sir. Chris Good
Unknown: point, thank you, sir.
Chris Good point.
Adam Curry: Anyway, I'm just
going to double down. Actually,
I have a text group. I got text
group with the oil baron and my
buddy Vic in Dallas, and use
NET. That's IRC, baby. Use net.
What was the other one? What was
the other something? Fido. Fido
net, Fido net, Fido net. We were
on Fido net the other day and,
and I'm like, This AI is going
to collapse. And then, you know,
they're posting back, like, oh,
yeah, that's like Steve Ballmer
said no one will want the the
mobile phone. He's like, gonna
add you to this list. And, okay,
okay, they're believers, not
John C Dvorak: the oil. Yeah,
most people are. I tend to
believe you're so far ahead of
the curve on this that is going
to go a lot farther than you
think. Ah, but
Adam Curry: they're having
trouble with this round apples.
Apples dropping out already. The
John C Dvorak: round is
ludicrous. They're asking for
too much. But
Adam Curry: they need the money
to keep it, to keep the scam
going. They have to keep coming
out with, oh, did you
strawberry? Oh, it's the latest
strawberries, the best. Go in
and ask chat, GPT strawberries.
How many? How many states have
an M in it? They don't come back
with with, you know, like Rhode
Island. I mean, it's so it's
stupid. There's no I in the AI.
John C Dvorak: It's artificial.
It has an N in it. Island, an M,
an M, M, Michael, M, M, and
Rhode Island, okay, yeah. So,
okay,
Adam Curry: that's all fine.
It's all good. I'm just you're
just not
John C Dvorak: telling you
you're way ahead of the curve on
I agree with you. I know
Adam Curry: you do, but I don't
think I'm that far ahead of the
curve. I think you're farther
than you should be. What do you
think it is then you think they
can do another year of this, two
years, two years, two
John C Dvorak: years into the
Trump presidency.
Adam Curry: Well, Trump has
bought in with, oh, we need all
kinds of Power. Power. Need
power for this. We're going to
have huge data centers, which I
don't know what we're going to
do with them. Well,
John C Dvorak: what's going to
happen after AI collapses and
you have all this extra excess
energy, it's going to be a boon.
It's good. Well,
Adam Curry: there's a, I know,
edge sword here. It
John C Dvorak: could be a boon
to the economy, because all of
free energy, energy is a big
deal, but it could also collapse
the whole place. No, we'll
Adam Curry: be mining Bitcoin,
Unknown: at least I will.
John C Dvorak: I found three
clips on election fraud on PBS
that I thought were it's a PBS
or NPO, PBS, PBS, PBS that I
thought were fascinating because
it, it brings up this dominion,
because the idiocy of the whole
idea of Dominion having a
machine that basically fills out
the ballot for you. It acts as a
middleman. I think this is the
machine I used in Albany. Last
man in the middle. It's a man in
the middle. It's a man in the
middle machine. And it's kind of
stupid, but for some reason,
everyone's using them. And it's
like, yeah,
Adam Curry: gee, what? What
reason could California have to
be using them? Let me think the.
John C Dvorak: Let's play these
three. These are clips that
they're excessively long but,
but I thought were interesting
enough that I could make long
clips.
Adam Curry: Was that a cue? Yes.
What
Unknown: was pretty obvious
primary election day in Bartow
County, Georgia, and election
workers are conducting a logic
and accuracy test of computers
that stand between voters and
their ballots where
it says Text Size, touch theft
and then do big, big.
They
are image cast X ballot marking
devices or BMDS made by Dominion
voting systems. Everyone who
votes in person in Georgia uses
one of these touchscreen
computers to record their
choices and then prints a marked
paper ballot, which gets scanned
and tabulated. So are these
machines worth the added cost
and complexity I advocated for
them. Joseph Kirk is the
election supervisor here. He
says the ballot marking devices
offer advantages over paper
ballots marked by hand guides
the voter through the process.
It makes sure that there's no
question about their intent. A
small
percentage of selections on hand
marked ballots are disqualified
because voters make ambiguous
markings. Dominion's ballot
marking devices may address that
issue, but many election
security experts say they inject
stubborn uncertainties into the
voting process. Fundamentally,
it's
a problem anytime that you're
going to put a potentially
vulnerable computer between the
voter and the only records of
their vote. J
Alex Halderman is a professor of
Electrical Engineering and
Computer Science at the
University of Michigan. He is
among those who advocate for
hand marked paper ballots. I
guess it seems ironic that the
best computer scientists in the
world will tell you the best
technology for an election is
pen and paper. Well, that's
that's absolutely right. And the
reason for that is we, we know
how paper can be secured. We
know how digital systems can be
attacked.
Adam Curry: Wow, for PBS, that's
impressive. Is this. So does
this all stem from the hanging
chads? Is that why the computers
were brought into it, or just
purely hanging
John C Dvorak: chads goes way
back, but I think it has to do
with people smudging or, you
know, when they I don't know
what really, I don't. There's no
real reason, as far as I'm
concerned, except, but they do
this, and I'm thinking, and I've
used the machine so I can tell
you what you do. You go in
there, you do the voting on the
machine, and then it prints out
the ballot. Yeah. You want
Adam Curry: paper with the
votes, and you look it over.
John C Dvorak: You look it over,
and the vote you voted for this
guy, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep,
yep. And then you stick it in
the you file it, and they then
it counts it. Wait,
Adam Curry: wait, don't you
stick it in a machine that
counts it? Well, the machine,
John C Dvorak: yeah. So you
stick it in machine accounts,
and it should just count it,
yeah. So where do you think
that's it? That's
Adam Curry: where. That's where
the problem is. Is in the No,
John C Dvorak: that's what I
thought it might be a problem in
the counting machine. This, when
I heard this, this next part,
what, what the real problem is
because, because you can go back
and make these, you can see what
I did. I voted here and I voted
there, and I had this. Next time
I do this, I'm going to vote by
hand. I'm going to go in and
vote. I'm going to take a
picture of the ballot, because
of the little interesting the
gotcha in here.
Adam Curry: Are you allowed to
take your camera into the
polling booth? I don't think why
not? I don't think you're
allowed. Why not? Well, because
you have exactly what you're
saying. Because they don't want
any evidence.
John C Dvorak: I have seen no
signage of any sort saying I
can't have a camera in my
private little voting booth,
they
Adam Curry: have signs it here
in Texas where we vote, no
cameras, no guns, which is a big
bummer. Well, the
John C Dvorak: guns I can see
enough to play on a second. Let
Adam Curry: me pull all these
guns out. No, I don't think you,
I don't think you can use
John C Dvorak: I see. No, I've
never seen such a sign, and I
don't see why it would make a
difference. All right, I'll
Adam Curry: bill you out. Don't
worry. We got you. Thank
John C Dvorak: you. Thank you.
You're a friend. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: am friend. We're
friends. So we're good friends.
Bail each other out.
John C Dvorak: You wouldn't at
first glance, you know you do
what you just said is what I
logically would think too. But
no, it turns out there's a more
interesting way of cheating that
I was like, what the
Unknown: risks aren't even
comparable.
Halderman has spent a lot of
time studying the risks. He is
an expert witness for the
plaintiffs in a pending federal
lawsuit seeking an injunction
against using the current voting
system. Halderman says he and
his team found nine
vulnerabilities in the Dominion
system. We met at a law office
in Atlanta. In March, he showed
me some of what he demonstrated
in open court.
We thought like an attacker,
what would an attacker want to
do? How could an attacker
circumvent the layers of
protection that are in this
machine and in a real polling
place? Halderman
demonstrated a few seemingly
easy ways to breach the security
of the Dominion ballot marking
device. He used a pen to recycle
the power which gave him
administrative control of the
computer, and he used a widely
available USB device favored by
computer security experts and
hackers to rewrite the software
of the machine. All of this
mischief could occur without an
obvious trace. That's because
the scanner that tabulates the
votes does not look at the human
readable text. Instead, it
derives its data from this QR
code.
We can change just the QR code
and leave all of the voter
visible text identical to what
the voter entered on screen. So
as a voter, there's nothing at
all that you can see that's
going to indicate there was a
problem. Halderman
and his team worry that the
hacks could propagate through an
entire county, or even
statewide, while the ballot
marking devices are not directly
plugged into the Internet as
they are updated and operated,
they regularly exchange data
with online systems through USB
memory sticks and smart cards
that
can potentially provide a route
for hackers far away on the
internet to gain access to BMDS.
The kinds of attackers that
worry me in this scenario
includes some of the most
sophisticated adversaries in the
world, foreign governments, gov