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            John C Dvorak: It's just blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
          
                  
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            Unknown: Adam curry.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: 2024, this is your
award winning gimbal nation
          
                  
            0:08
          
          
            media assassination episode
1702.
          
                  
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            Unknown: This is no agenda.
We're unedited by CBS, and we're
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: broadcasting live
from the heart of the Texas new
          
                  
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            country here in FEMA reach
number six in the morning.
          
                  
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            Everybody. I'm Adam curry
          
                  
            0:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley, where we advise
          
                  
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            you to stop using the word
triage. I'm Johnson Dvorak
          
                  
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            Buzzkill.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I think we should
use that all the time during our
          
                  
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            show. We're triaging all the
clips we got, triaging all the
          
                  
            0:42
          
          
            boots on the ground, so we can
make sure we get all the right
          
                  
            0:44
          
          
            stuff out there. Triaging. I
kind of like it.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Yeah. So I was
watching one of the Fox shows,
          
                  
            0:54
          
          
            the fox, fox morning chatterbox.
They like to say triage for
          
                  
            0:58
          
          
            Adam Curry: everything. The Fox
chatterbox. There you go. That's
          
                  
            1:01
          
          
            a good one. The Fox chatterbox,
yeah, the triage. So it seems to
          
                  
            1:05
          
          
            me like, okay, it sucks, but I
think the weather people kind of
          
                  
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            got it all wrong. Wasn't
everyone supposed to be dead and
          
                  
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            destroyed and everything swept
away and the storm surge drowned
          
                  
            1:19
          
          
            everybody. Yet they forgot to
predict the tornadoes. 126 of
          
                  
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            them, to be exact. Where was
that prediction? I didn't hear
          
                  
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            anyone Well, it
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: matters not they
can predict the climate, but
          
                  
            1:33
          
          
            they can't predict this. Yeah,
happens the next day. Yeah, of
          
                  
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            course. We're
          
                  
            1:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: we are, of course,
by
          
                  
            1:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: the way, I want
to say that Santis, DeSantis,
          
                  
            1:44
          
          
            DeSantis De Santis, I was
watching his entire press
          
                  
            1:49
          
          
            conference. This guy really is a
good governor. Oh yeah. He just
          
                  
            1:53
          
          
            seems to be on top of
everything. He's got the facts
          
                  
            1:56
          
          
            in front of him. He goes on and
on and on. He's got all kinds of
          
                  
            1:58
          
          
            details. He's smart enough to do
stuff in advance. And the thing
          
                  
            2:03
          
          
            that impressed me most, most was
a couple of days ago, when he
          
                  
            2:06
          
          
            says, you know, we're, we're
closing all the toll booths on
          
                  
            2:09
          
          
            all this expressway so people
can get out of there time to
          
                  
            2:11
          
          
            stop and pay five bucks to get
through. Yeah, that makes sense.
          
                  
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            He said, just one thing after
another, if it wasn't for that
          
                  
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            whiny voice of his
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: when, and even
though he's not wearing the
          
                  
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            white boots, you still can't get
that out of your head. You still
          
                  
            2:26
          
          
            see him with the white boots.
Hard to hard to visualize him
          
                  
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            without those
          
                  
            2:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: competency and
it's just there's a combination
          
                  
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            of things. But he's definitely a
governor you'd like to have as a
          
                  
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            governor,
          
                  
            2:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: yes, but every I
mean, we have lots of friends
          
                  
            2:39
          
          
            and lots of course, there's lots
of producers in in Florida, and
          
                  
            2:44
          
          
            the reporting was just freaking
everybody out. It was, it was,
          
                  
            2:47
          
          
            and of course, it's not great.
There's no doubt, no doubt
          
                  
            2:50
          
          
            there's a problem. But it's not
at all the destruction that we
          
                  
            2:54
          
          
            were sold. I feel gypped the
tornadoes. That's the thing that
          
                  
            2:59
          
          
            got me though. What? Not a
single mention of that. And then
          
                  
            3:03
          
          
            these were not like little
tornadoes. These were big
          
                  
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            twisters just appeared out of
nowhere, blowing
          
                  
            3:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: up stuff left and
right. Yeah, yeah, the funny.
          
                  
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            And there was mentioned that,
you know, in Florida, where they
          
                  
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            do have tornadoes on occasion,
especially with some
          
                  
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            accompanying some hurricanes,
you can't build tornado shelters
          
                  
            3:23
          
          
            because the water table is so
high. No, you can't. It's like,
          
                  
            3:26
          
          
            you know, the water table is
right under the house. So
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: of course, we hope
everyone's okay and that the
          
                  
            3:33
          
          
            damage isn't too bad. We we
won't know, really, for a little
          
                  
            3:38
          
          
            bit, but the they had no good
reports. They didn't have anyone
          
                  
            3:41
          
          
            blowing over from the wind. The
wind didn't even seem, I mean,
          
                  
            3:45
          
          
            you know, I've been doing a
little because, oh man,
          
                  
            3:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: by the way, uh,
Cooper, uh, pooper got, yeah,
          
                  
            3:55
          
          
            pooper, yeah. He was on CNN. He
got hit by debris. It was, it's
          
                  
            4:01
          
          
            a piece of styrofoam hit him,
and it was like a roll of
          
                  
            4:03
          
          
            disaster. Oh, so
          
                  
            4:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't want to make
light of it, because, you know,
          
                  
            4:08
          
          
            if you're, if your house is
flooded,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: it sucks, yeah,
or even gone, if,
          
                  
            4:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: if it's gone, that's
what seemed the wind damage
          
                  
            4:16
          
          
            seemed to be pretty minimal. I
mean, just, I
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: don't think so.
Oh, the wind damage was all the
          
                  
            4:22
          
          
            damage, but
          
                  
            4:23
          
          
            Adam Curry: it was, well, here's
the one that made me kind of
          
                  
            4:25
          
          
            smile and
          
                  
            4:26
          
          
            Unknown: take a look at this
video just into the newsroom
          
                  
            4:29
          
          
            from Tropicana Field in St
Petersburg, where the stadium's
          
                  
            4:33
          
          
            rooftop has literally been torn
apart by the winds from
          
                  
            4:37
          
          
            Hurricane Milton. You may
remember Tropicana Field was
          
                  
            4:40
          
          
            transformed into a shelter for
first responders ahead of the
          
                  
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            big storm.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: So it's a stadium
with a vinyl roof where a team
          
                  
            4:49
          
          
            plays that no one cares about,
but that was the news that was a
          
                  
            4:55
          
          
            very flimsy roof looked just
like vinyl you. It
          
                  
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            Unknown: was, yeah. So, okay,
just
          
                  
            5:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a coded. It was
just a it wasn't really, it was
          
                  
            5:05
          
          
            more of a balloon roof,
          
                  
            5:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah. So, yeah, of
course, the
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I will say, by
the I will say, the sound really
          
                  
            5:15
          
          
            does stink.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: What do you mean
what you're hearing?
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's not
like it's, I don't know what the
          
                  
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            chat room thinks, but it's not
like it I can't understand you.
          
                  
            5:25
          
          
            It's just like a lousy phone
connection.
          
                  
            5:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, that's
interesting. No, it sounds good
          
                  
            5:30
          
          
            for everyone there. See, is
there? Let me see, I want to
          
                  
            5:35
          
          
            make sure, oh, speech optimized.
We don't want that. We want
          
                  
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            music optimized. Hold
          
                  
            5:39
          
          
            Unknown: on a second. Let
          
                  
            5:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: me see if that'll
break
          
                  
            5:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: every musical
tones,
          
                  
            5:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: yes, for my musical
stylings, John, for my musical
          
                  
            5:48
          
          
            styling styling.
          
                  
            5:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm sorry, yeah,
maybe,
          
                  
            5:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: maybe that's better.
I don't know, but it's that's
          
                  
            5:54
          
          
            what you're hearing is not what
was what's recording. So, of
          
                  
            5:57
          
          
            course, I can't get away from
they modified the weather. They
          
                  
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            seeded the clouds, they steered
it that way.
          
                  
            6:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Just had a good
commentary on this, too. I wish
          
                  
            6:11
          
          
            I had clipped it. It would came
in late. It was this morning. He
          
                  
            6:15
          
          
            said, he says this is he's
basically said. He says both. He
          
                  
            6:20
          
          
            did a good job of balancing it,
because he condemned the idea
          
                  
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            that they're changing the
weather, because it's hurricane
          
                  
            6:25
          
          
            season. So this happens all the
time. The worst hurricane, he
          
                  
            6:28
          
          
            points out, was in on late the
famous Labor Day hurricane of
          
                  
            6:33
          
          
            the 1930s which was worse than
anything. And he says, this is
          
                  
            6:36
          
          
            hurricane seasons, Hurricane
weather. And you get these
          
                  
            6:40
          
          
            hurricanes, as he says, and but
it's not just the left, the
          
                  
            6:44
          
          
            right, not mentioning Marjorie,
Taylor Greene, he says it's also
          
                  
            6:48
          
          
            the left who blames everything
on fossil fuels. So he did a
          
                  
            6:52
          
          
            really good balancing act. This
guy is very talented governor.
          
                  
            6:58
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, there was a so
I have a couple of clips because
          
                  
            7:01
          
          
            it was worth playing. Since
Biden, they rolled Biden out.
          
                  
            7:04
          
          
            This may have been the real
Biden. You can't tell when he's
          
                  
            7:08
          
          
            if he's not standing up. It's
hard to see if I can't see the
          
                  
            7:11
          
          
            back of his head. I don't know
if it's Biden or daddy long
          
                  
            7:13
          
          
            legs, but he came out and slurs
something out alive.
          
                  
            7:17
          
          
            Unknown: There's simply no place
for this to happen. Former
          
                  
            7:21
          
          
            President Trump has led the
onslaught of lies. Sessions have
          
                  
            7:26
          
          
            been made that property is being
confiscated. That's simply not
          
                  
            7:29
          
          
            true. They're saying people
impacted by these terms will
          
                  
            7:33
          
          
            receive $750 in cash and no
more. That's simply not true.
          
                  
            7:38
          
          
            The money is needed for this
crisis is being diverted to
          
                  
            7:43
          
          
            migrants. What a ridiculous
thing to say. Now the claims are
          
                  
            7:49
          
          
            getting even more bizarre.
Congressman Marjorie, Taylor
          
                  
            7:52
          
          
            Greene, Congresswoman Georgia,
federal government is literally
          
                  
            7:56
          
          
            controlling the weather,
controlling the weather. It's
          
                  
            7:59
          
          
            beyond ridiculous. It's got to
stop moments like this. There
          
                  
            8:04
          
          
            are no red or blue states.
There's one United States of
          
                  
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            America where neighbors are
helping neighbors, volunteers
          
                  
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            and first responders are risking
everything, including their own
          
                  
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            lives, to help their fellow
Americans.
          
                  
            8:17
          
          
            Adam Curry: Jeff, so that was a
very that was real stately
          
                  
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            there. Joe and MSNBC really ran
with this ball. And thank
          
                  
            8:27
          
          
            goodness we're connecting this
to climate change. I mean, it
          
                  
            8:31
          
          
            took they didn't do, I've got
clips. They didn't do it during
          
                  
            8:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Helene, but oh
no, they did it big time on this
          
                  
            8:38
          
          
            one. Yeah. So I was just start
          
                  
            8:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: with a few, and then
I'll do a few Chris Hayes clips,
          
                  
            8:43
          
          
            because, man, he was hot over
there on MSNBC. Hurricane
          
                  
            8:47
          
          
            Helene,
          
                  
            8:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I thought you
were going to say, thank God for
          
                  
            8:50
          
          
            MSNBC, because nobody listens to
it. Well,
          
                  
            8:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: no. I mean, they
need us. They need us to get to
          
                  
            8:57
          
          
            any listenership. And here you
go
          
                  
            8:59
          
          
            Unknown: now. Hurricane Helene
just showed us how this
          
                  
            9:02
          
          
            phenomenon is wreaking havoc,
even in areas previously thought
          
                  
            9:05
          
          
            to be safe from these kinds of
storms, tucked away deep in the
          
                  
            9:10
          
          
            Blue Ridge Mountains, Asheville,
North Carolina, was considered a
          
                  
            9:13
          
          
            little slice of paradise. Some
called it a climate Haven,
          
                  
            9:17
          
          
            suggesting it was immune to
extreme weather.
          
                  
            9:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: Now, I don't know
where MSNBC got this idea from,
          
                  
            9:24
          
          
            what? Because there was a huge
there was a equally large storm
          
                  
            9:29
          
          
            in 1916 there was one as as
recent as 2014 what so. But then
          
                  
            9:35
          
          
            they have this like this. This
footage of birds chirping and
          
                  
            9:38
          
          
            oh, it's a haven. We're safe
here, huh?
          
                  
            9:42
          
          
            Unknown: But last week that
paradise turned out to be an
          
                  
            9:45
          
          
            illusion. Oh, my God, battering
the area for days. Stop
          
                  
            9:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a second. Stop.
Stop the I, you know, this is an
          
                  
            9:53
          
          
            interesting form of reporting,
where you create a false
          
                  
            9:56
          
          
            scenario, yeah, and then you
report. On it, free, creative,
          
                  
            10:03
          
          
            classic, this is what these guys
do. They should be ashamed of
          
                  
            10:07
          
          
            themselves at NBC News, no,
          
                  
            10:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think they're
doing a great job. This is
          
                  
            10:12
          
          
            they're doing exactly what
they're paid to do, to promote
          
                  
            10:15
          
          
            climate change and at the same
time discredit Trump and anyone
          
                  
            10:19
          
          
            else who's in his camp, ripping
apart
          
                  
            10:21
          
          
            Unknown: homes, washing out
roads, toppling trees and
          
                  
            10:24
          
          
            cutting off entire towns. New
research out this week says
          
                  
            10:28
          
          
            there is strong evidence human
driven climate change
          
                  
            10:31
          
          
            strengthened Helene's
destructive power. It made the
          
                  
            10:35
          
          
            storms
          
                  
            10:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: strong evidence
Helene strengthened,
          
                  
            10:39
          
          
            strengthened by human made
climate change, so just
          
                  
            10:42
          
          
            strengthened it it's a
multiplier, a force multiplier.
          
                  
            10:46
          
          
            Force multiplier term is rapid
intensification. We'll get to
          
                  
            10:50
          
          
            that human
          
                  
            10:50
          
          
            Unknown: driven climate change
strength into Lean's destructive
          
                  
            10:53
          
          
            power. One study saying it made
the storms, rainfall up to 20%
          
                  
            10:57
          
          
            heavier, 28 winds 7% stronger.
Seeing
          
                  
            11:01
          
          
            these events that are boosted by
climate change, stronger,
          
                  
            11:06
          
          
            wetter, lasting longer. Another
report
          
                  
            11:09
          
          
            found that a warmer climate led
to 50% more rain over parts of
          
                  
            11:14
          
          
            the Carolinas and Georgia than
would have been expected. You
          
                  
            11:17
          
          
            know,
          
                  
            11:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: is just as a little
entremond clip here. So it's
          
                  
            11:22
          
          
            stronger, it's wetter. PBS had
this to say about last year and
          
                  
            11:26
          
          
            2023
          
                  
            11:27
          
          
            Unknown: was the driest year for
the world's rivers in more than
          
                  
            11:30
          
          
            three decades.
          
                  
            11:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: I mean, make up your
mind. Is it going to be wetter
          
                  
            11:34
          
          
            or is it going to be drier? I
mean, they can't seem to figure
          
                  
            11:38
          
          
            out what it's
          
                  
            11:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: going to be.
Unfortunately, there's no
          
                  
            11:40
          
          
            coordinated yeah, there's no
          
                  
            11:42
          
          
            Adam Curry: messaging, no
central command,
          
                  
            11:44
          
          
            John C Dvorak: there's no
exactly they set that up. Yeah,
          
                  
            11:47
          
          
            we wouldn't have these issues.
Curry
          
                  
            11:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: Dvorak Consulting
Group. We're available. Do it.
          
                  
            11:52
          
          
            We're available. We're
available. All right, so let's
          
                  
            11:54
          
          
            just face the fact climate to
climate change is it's, it's
          
                  
            11:57
          
          
            responsible for everything.
Storms
          
                  
            11:59
          
          
            Unknown: like Killeen and what
we expect to come from Milton
          
                  
            12:01
          
          
            are exactly, precisely what
experts have been screaming
          
                  
            12:04
          
          
            about for decades now, as John
Morales, Nicole Wallace, it is
          
                  
            12:08
          
          
            why he got so emotional over
last night's forecast. When I
          
                  
            12:12
          
          
            saw 50 millibars in 10 hours, I
just broke down with a mixture
          
                  
            12:16
          
          
            of empathy, angst over these
increasing extreme weather
          
                  
            12:21
          
          
            events, and also frustration,
because for over 20 years, I've
          
                  
            12:25
          
          
            been trying to communicate on on
what would be coming if we did
          
                  
            12:29
          
          
            not check the injection of
greenhouse gasses into the
          
                  
            12:34
          
          
            atmosphere. And well, here we
are, and it's not going to get
          
                  
            12:38
          
          
            any better. This guy
          
                  
            12:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: was crying on the
air. I
          
                  
            12:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: have, you know,
this is funny. You have that
          
                  
            12:44
          
          
            clip from from Chris Hayes,
because in my little series of
          
                  
            12:48
          
          
            hurricane clips, it's included
exactly this, well, not exactly,
          
                  
            12:53
          
          
            but pretty much the same clip,
only. He's crying more from NPR,
          
                  
            12:58
          
          
            the same guy. This is the
coordinated effort. Do
          
                  
            13:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: you know which clip
that is? Can we play that real
          
                  
            13:03
          
          
            quick?
          
                  
            13:04
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'd rather play
the whole series. All
          
                  
            13:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: right, all right.
I'll get through this.
          
                  
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            Unknown: So we are now preparing
for the second major climate
          
                  
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            change fueled hurricane in two
weeks, which could put a
          
                  
            13:12
          
          
            dangerous strain on federal
resources. Climate fueled New
          
                  
            13:16
          
          
            York Times reports the Federal
Emergency Management Agency is
          
                  
            13:19
          
          
            running out of staff to deal
with the potential devastation
          
                  
            13:22
          
          
            of Hurricane. No as of Monday
morning, just 9% of FEMA
          
                  
            13:25
          
          
            personnel were available to
respond to hurricane or other
          
                  
            13:28
          
          
            disasters. While FEMA says it is
well equipped to handle the
          
                  
            13:31
          
          
            strains, it is a reminder the
challenge of more frequent
          
                  
            13:35
          
          
            natural disasters the times.
What did
          
                  
            13:39
          
          
            John C Dvorak: he say, he said
9% responded to the to one of
          
                  
            13:44
          
          
            their was it? Helene, yes. Well,
I thought they were like all,
          
                  
            13:49
          
          
            all hands on deck, yeah.
          
                  
            13:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: But the rest is at
the border, helping people at
          
                  
            13:54
          
          
            the border, getting them into
hotels. As
          
                  
            13:56
          
          
            Unknown: of Monday morning, just
9% of FEMA personnel were
          
                  
            13:58
          
          
            available to respond. Oh, that
was available. Where's that
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: 90% where the
other 91
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: that must be in
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: western 1000s and
1000s of people? Well, I
          
                  
            14:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: hope they're in
western North Carolina, but they
          
                  
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            should have figured out anyway,
that's just continue the
          
                  
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            Unknown: hurricane or other
disasters. Now, while FEMA says
          
                  
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            it is well equipped to handle
the strains, it is reminder the
          
                  
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            challenge of more frequent
natural disasters. The Times
          
                  
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            noting that FEMA is also
responding to flooding and land
          
                  
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            signs in Vermont, tornadoes in
Kansas, the aftermath of
          
                  
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            Tropical Storm Debbie in New
York and Georgia and the watch
          
                  
            14:33
          
          
            fire in Arizona. And those are
just disasters that were
          
                  
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            declared the past two weeks.
Okay, so
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: now Chris gets Wait.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I want to point
out. I want you to remember that
          
                  
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            he said more frequent, more
free, because I in my series of
          
                  
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            clips, I got a little
contradiction in here. Good,
          
                  
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            good.
          
                  
            14:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: So now Chris Hayes
gets into some math, which is
          
                  
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            just astounding. I'm not a
climate scientist, nor is he
          
                  
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            remember.
          
                  
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            Unknown: What I'm telling you
right now, what we're looking at
          
                  
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            right now in the last week, what
we're preparing for Milton. This
          
                  
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            is what we are now facing with
global average temperatures a
          
                  
            15:08
          
          
            little over one degree Celsius
higher than the pre Industrial
          
                  
            15:11
          
          
            Average. Okay, one that's one 1%
imagine what it will look like
          
                  
            15:14
          
          
            when we reach two degrees, twice
as bad. Oh, so
          
                  
            15:17
          
          
            Adam Curry: if it's two degrees,
then it'll be twice as bad, or
          
                  
            15:20
          
          
            Unknown: three or four, that is
the world. It'll be
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: four times as bad if
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: it was. So let's
see it goes from, let's say, one
          
                  
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            degree higher, which would be a
percent. What a point? If 5%
          
                  
            15:33
          
          
            some small percentage, but
somehow it's going to be twice
          
                  
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            as bad. It's
          
                  
            15:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: going to double. And
if it's three degrees, work
          
                  
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            exactly, exactly. It's fake
news, or three
          
                  
            15:43
          
          
            Unknown: or four. That is the
world Donald Trump would push,
          
                  
            15:47
          
          
            not that he cares. He thinks it
would be good for real estate
          
                  
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            values.
          
                  
            15:53
          
          
            When I hear these people talking
about global warming, that's the
          
                  
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            global warming you have to worry
about, not that the ocean is
          
                  
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            going to rise in 400 years, an
eighth of an inch, and you'll
          
                  
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            have more seafront property,
right? If that happens, I said,
          
                  
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            is that good or bad? I said,
Isn't that a good thing? If I
          
                  
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            have a little property on the
ocean, I have a little bit more
          
                  
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            property. I have a little bit
more ocean. Okay,
          
                  
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            every time we play this clip, we
just got to stop for one second.
          
                  
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            Think about that for give it 10
seconds of your brain power.
          
                  
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            Okay, if the oceans rise, do you
have more beachfront property?
          
                  
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            Does that make sense? The oceans
rise? Do more beachfront or let
          
                  
            16:29
          
          
            you have less?
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: You said more ocean.
Anyway, that so at least we know
          
                  
            16:34
          
          
            it's all Donald Trump's fault in
Donald Trump's and I will play
          
                  
            16:38
          
          
            this last clip, and then we'll,
we'll play your clips, and then
          
                  
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            I'll come back to some of the
conspiracy theories. And this
          
                  
            16:44
          
          
            is, this has got to be my
favorites. Now,
          
                  
            16:46
          
          
            Unknown: we've known for decades
our planet is warming, that we
          
                  
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            would start seeing the brutal
effects, but conservatives
          
                  
            16:50
          
          
            running so deep in their denial,
they're flailing around for
          
                  
            16:53
          
          
            anyone or anything else to
blame. Republican Congressman
          
                  
            16:56
          
          
            Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is
now like a big mover and shaker
          
                  
            16:58
          
          
            in the Republican Party, is
promoting a bizarre conspiracy
          
                  
            17:03
          
          
            theory about a mysterious day.
You can imagine who that is.
          
                  
            17:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: So on the screen
they have her tweet which says,
          
                  
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            yes, they can control the
weather. The weather always
          
                  
            17:12
          
          
            remember that. So that's what
she said. And I think we can
          
                  
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            prove that that is probably
true, not that this was the
          
                  
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            case, but that's the tweet
          
                  
            17:23
          
          
            Unknown: controlling the
weather, suggesting that they
          
                  
            17:25
          
          
            are sending hurricanes to
Republican areas to impact the
          
                  
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            election, like someone is
sitting at some computer
          
                  
            17:30
          
          
            somewhere pressing hurricane.
It's not just her. She's now
          
                  
            17:34
          
          
            being amplified by right wing
media and the Republican nominee
          
                  
            17:37
          
          
            himself, Chris, Chris decaf has
the government figured out how
          
                  
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            to build a storm into a super
storm
          
                  
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            that will destroy everything
that's
          
                  
            17:45
          
          
            passed, and then how to aim it.
Right now, he's
          
                  
            17:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: just playing some
rando guys from I don't know,
          
                  
            17:50
          
          
            YouTube or whatever, who are
just talking crap where they
          
                  
            17:54
          
          
            Unknown: want to aim it. It just
happens to miss South Florida
          
                  
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            while the Democrats live.
Something
          
                  
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            strange is going on. These
          
                  
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            are Trump
          
                  
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            counties.
          
                  
            18:04
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Some actors to do
stuff like, this
          
                  
            18:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: is great. This
          
                  
            18:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: is great.
          
                  
            18:08
          
          
            Unknown: Something strange is
going on. These are Trump
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: counties. And
don't tell me for a second.
          
                  
            18:14
          
          
            Don't tell me for a second that
what we're not seeing is a
          
                  
            18:16
          
          
            massive government push, voter
suppression
          
                  
            18:20
          
          
            Unknown: operation.
          
                  
            18:21
          
          
            You know, it's largely a
Republican area. Some people say
          
                  
            18:24
          
          
            they did it for that reason. I
don't even think they're that
          
                  
            18:27
          
          
            bad, but they probably made
random,
          
                  
            18:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: random clip, random
clip, making it sound like Trump
          
                  
            18:34
          
          
            is talking about some weather
modification, which is not they
          
                  
            18:38
          
          
            are.
          
                  
            18:38
          
          
            Unknown: They say they're
sending the storms they are
          
                  
            18:40
          
          
            sending the storms. Tom Trump's
running mate, Janie Vance, found
          
                  
            18:44
          
          
            a way to get in on it too.
Blaming it on immigrants,
          
                  
            18:46
          
          
            you have FEMA, which is there
for disaster relief for American
          
                  
            18:49
          
          
            citizens after a terrible storm
being deployed repeatedly to
          
                  
            18:53
          
          
            deal with Kamala Harris' wide
open border and the migrant
          
                  
            18:56
          
          
            invasion that it's caused. That
lack of focus on their core
          
                  
            19:00
          
          
            mission, that distraction and
focusing instead on illegal
          
                  
            19:03
          
          
            immigrants, I guarantee that it
has made the disaster response
          
                  
            19:06
          
          
            worse.
          
                  
            19:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: All right, so I want
to come back to those weight
          
                  
            19:09
          
          
            theories.
          
                  
            19:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What did he did?
He was that played on his show.
          
                  
            19:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: That was van, that
last
          
                  
            19:16
          
          
            John C Dvorak: part of the tip,
yeah,
          
                  
            19:17
          
          
            Unknown: he played that.
          
                  
            19:19
          
          
            That's dumb.
          
                  
            19:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm saying that
because he's trying to build a
          
                  
            19:24
          
          
            case, and then he throws
something out there which
          
                  
            19:26
          
          
            actually is reasonable, yes, and
if I'm listening to so that's
          
                  
            19:30
          
          
            interesting. I mean that this
is, these guys don't even know
          
                  
            19:33
          
          
            how to do this, right? All
right. So
          
                  
            19:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: I want to come back
to the weather modification and
          
                  
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            conspiracy theories, but first,
let's get into your clips before
          
                  
            19:41
          
          
            we drift. Yeah, let's
          
                  
            19:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: get these out of
the way. Yeah. This is a, this
          
                  
            19:43
          
          
            is a series that's on NPR. This
is part of a long presentation
          
                  
            19:47
          
          
            on hurricane overview, and it
brings in everything we need
          
                  
            19:51
          
          
            that. It starts with Hurricane
overview, N O, A, A,
          
                  
            19:55
          
          
            Unknown: the damage hurricane
Milton could cause is chilling,
          
                  
            19:58
          
          
            but maybe it shouldn't be
surprising. Julie
          
                  
            20:00
          
          
            is looking to be an
extraordinary one in a number of
          
                  
            20:04
          
          
            ways. That
          
                  
            20:05
          
          
            was Rick spinrad, head of the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric
          
                  
            20:09
          
          
            Administration, last May,
rolling out the federal agency's
          
                  
            20:12
          
          
            annual hurricane outlook, NOAA
          
                  
            20:14
          
          
            is predicting an above average
2024 Atlantic hurricane season.
          
                  
            20:19
          
          
            Of note, the forecast for named
storms, hurricanes and major
          
                  
            20:24
          
          
            hurricanes, is the highest NOAA
has ever issued for the May
          
                  
            20:28
          
          
            outlook. One
          
                  
            20:30
          
          
            big reason for that record
breaking hurricane forecast,
          
                  
            20:33
          
          
            record breaking hot water
temperatures in the Atlantic
          
                  
            20:36
          
          
            Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico.
Now, the number of hurricanes
          
                  
            20:40
          
          
            this year has not yet broken
records, but the intensity of
          
                  
            20:44
          
          
            some of the storms has been
breathtaking.
          
                  
            20:46
          
          
            It's just an incredible,
incredible, incredible
          
                  
            20:49
          
          
            hurricane.
          
                  
            20:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: Incredible,
incredible, really, that sounded
          
                  
            20:55
          
          
            like a Dvorak repeats. No
sweetening. Oh, interesting.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: All right, he
said that. All right. So that
          
                  
            21:02
          
          
            goes on. This is like they're
trying to build a case for. What
          
                  
            21:05
          
          
            do you think you're going to
build a case for? And it comes
          
                  
            21:08
          
          
            up right away. I did early in
the clippage
          
                  
            21:11
          
          
            Unknown: that hot water in the
Gulf allows storms to intensify
          
                  
            21:15
          
          
            at unbelievable speeds, as
Hurricane Milton did on Monday
          
                  
            21:18
          
          
            afternoon. A fact that Move
Veteran Florida meteorologist
          
                  
            21:22
          
          
            John Morales nearly to tears,
          
                  
            21:24
          
          
            he has dropped 50 millibars in
10 hours. I apologize, this is
          
                  
            21:32
          
          
            just
          
                  
            21:34
          
          
            horrific. Later in
          
                  
            21:36
          
          
            that same report, Morales cited
those hot ocean temperatures and
          
                  
            21:39
          
          
            explained where they came from.
          
                  
            21:41
          
          
            You know, what's driving that? I
don't need to tell you, global
          
                  
            21:44
          
          
            warming, climate change leading
to this and becoming an
          
                  
            21:47
          
          
            increasing threat. You know,
          
                  
            21:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: it's interesting.
You know, Tina lived in Florida
          
                  
            21:52
          
          
            for 15 years, lived through a
number of hurricanes. And I
          
                  
            21:55
          
          
            said, was the millibar? Was the
pressure ever an issue? Says, I
          
                  
            22:00
          
          
            don't know anything about that.
No one ever talked about
          
                  
            22:02
          
          
            millibars. It's always been the
wind speed. This seems to be a
          
                  
            22:06
          
          
            new metric they're pulling in.
          
                  
            22:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: That's
interesting. You're right,
          
                  
            22:10
          
          
            because I've noticed it before.
Now I think what's interesting,
          
                  
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            also interesting, I hate to
overuse that word, but is this
          
                  
            22:17
          
          
            guy's in tears. He's obviously
an emotional wreck. Probably
          
                  
            22:20
          
          
            somebody shouldn't trust with
any with your children or guns,
          
                  
            22:24
          
          
            or guns, definitely no guns with
that guy, red flag. And so you
          
                  
            22:30
          
          
            so he so this is the guy that go
goes right to climate change. So
          
                  
            22:34
          
          
            he's an unstable person. Now
he's going talking about climate
          
                  
            22:37
          
          
            change. This is like, Okay, I'm
not gonna even, I shouldn't even
          
                  
            22:41
          
          
            be listening to this guy if he
can't objectively report on the
          
                  
            22:44
          
          
            news without crying about it.
          
                  
            22:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, he was doing
his job. He's an actor.
          
                  
            22:49
          
          
            Unknown: NPR climate editor
Rachel waldholtz has been
          
                  
            22:52
          
          
            looking into how a warming
planet contributes to these
          
                  
            22:55
          
          
            storms and what climate change
could mean for the future of
          
                  
            22:58
          
          
            catastrophic weather events. Hi
Rachel, hi. Ari, first. Helene,
          
                  
            23:02
          
          
            now Milton, are these two
massive hurricanes in just about
          
                  
            23:06
          
          
            two weeks, evidence that we are
seeing more frequent storm
          
                  
            23:10
          
          
            activity than in the past. So
          
                  
            23:12
          
          
            actually, no, no,
          
                  
            23:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: no, you better come
up with something better than
          
                  
            23:15
          
          
            that. So
          
                  
            23:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's why I
wanted to mention call back to
          
                  
            23:20
          
          
            Chris Hayes saying they're more
frequent. Yeah,
          
                  
            23:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: he's full of crap.
          
                  
            23:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, he's
totally full of crap.
          
                  
            23:26
          
          
            Adam Curry: The numbers are
there. Everyone can see the
          
                  
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            numbers. There's just been less
of them certainly this year.
          
                  
            23:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: So let's go.
Okay, so onward to four.
          
                  
            23:35
          
          
            Unknown: We haven't seen an
increase in the number of
          
                  
            23:37
          
          
            hurricanes hitting the US, but
climate change is making many
          
                  
            23:41
          
          
            storms more intense, so more
powerful with way more rain,
          
                  
            23:45
          
          
            more dangerous storm surge, more
flooding. And so while the total
          
                  
            23:48
          
          
            number of hurricanes isn't
increasing, dangerous storms are
          
                  
            23:52
          
          
            becoming more common, and that
can definitely make it feel like
          
                  
            23:55
          
          
            we're getting more overall. So
          
                  
            23:57
          
          
            let's get to the climate change
piece of this. We know that a
          
                  
            23:59
          
          
            warming planet and includes
warming oceans. Explain why
          
                  
            24:04
          
          
            warming oceans helped a storm
like Milton explode into a
          
                  
            24:08
          
          
            category five as it moved across
the Gulf before eventually
          
                  
            24:12
          
          
            weakening. Yeah,
          
                  
            24:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: yes, exploded before
it actually got to landfall, and
          
                  
            24:17
          
          
            it was a three actually crapped
          
                  
            24:19
          
          
            John C Dvorak: out. Yeah, it
did.
          
                  
            24:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: It did
          
                  
            24:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: so. So we have
this, this narrative going on,
          
                  
            24:26
          
          
            and it's like, right in the
middle of it, you have to do a
          
                  
            24:31
          
          
            call back to climate isn't
weather? Yes, correct. They
          
                  
            24:37
          
          
            pounded it into us. Climate
isn't weather, or weather is
          
                  
            24:41
          
          
            weather
          
                  
            24:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: isn't climate, I
think was the exact phrase.
          
                  
            24:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Either one, yes,
it's the same thing. But the
          
                  
            24:48
          
          
            point is, is that they'd always
bring that out when it was
          
                  
            24:51
          
          
            freezing cold. We had this, you
know, yeah, yeah, it was really
          
                  
            24:54
          
          
            cold. No, no, no, no. It's got
nothing to do with it. But now
          
                  
            24:56
          
          
            there's a little disaster going
on. Yes, exactly. Oh, it's a.
          
                  
            25:00
          
          
            This is what's causing it. Okay?
So, so they go on with a before
          
                  
            25:04
          
          
            the five they go on this. I put
the word skip in there because I
          
                  
            25:08
          
          
            skipped over a whole long
lecture about how the hot water
          
                  
            25:14
          
          
            boy pushes up into the hurricane
and goes on and on and on about
          
                  
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            this. And so did we end up with
this after, after listening to
          
                  
            25:22
          
          
            that for five minutes, we go to
this. Okay,
          
                  
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            Unknown: so warm oceans
translate to stronger storms.
          
                  
            25:27
          
          
            But there's another element
here, which is that climate
          
                  
            25:30
          
          
            change adds to sea level rise,
which can create a bigger storm
          
                  
            25:35
          
          
            surge, right? Explain that?
Yeah,
          
                  
            25:37
          
          
            so climate change is driving
rising sea levels, and some of
          
                  
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            the fastest rates of sea level
rise in the world actually are
          
                  
            25:44
          
          
            along the Gulf Coast. So that's
driven by melting ice on land,
          
                  
            25:48
          
          
            like the Greenland ice sheet,
but also as water.
          
                  
            25:53
          
          
            Adam Curry: So let me understand
so the ice sheet is melting, and
          
                  
            25:57
          
          
            therefore the water in the Gulf
gets warmer. In the Gulf, in the
          
                  
            26:00
          
          
            Gulf gets warmer from the
melting ice goes up.
          
                  
            26:04
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course
it
          
                  
            26:05
          
          
            Unknown: does. That's driven by
melting ice on land like the
          
                  
            26:07
          
          
            Greenland ice sheet. But the
thing she said, got warmer. Let
          
                  
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            me see driving rising sea
levels. And some of the fastest
          
                  
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            rates of sea level rise in the
world actually are along the
          
                  
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            Gulf Coast.
          
                  
            26:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: I can't believe I'm
not how come I don't have
          
                  
            26:20
          
          
            beachfront property here in the
heart of Texas. I should. So
          
                  
            26:23
          
          
            Unknown: that's driven by
melting ice on land like the
          
                  
            26:26
          
          
            Greenland ice sheet. But also,
as water gets warmer, it
          
                  
            26:29
          
          
            expands. So then when a storm
like Milton comes along, driving
          
                  
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            this huge wall of water in front
of it, and water levels are
          
                  
            26:36
          
          
            already higher than they used to
be, that's a recipe for really
          
                  
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            catastrophic storm surge. And
right now we're seeing
          
                  
            26:42
          
          
            predictions of 15 feet of storm
surge in some places.
          
                  
            26:46
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't think it
reaches. Doesn't water expand
          
                  
            26:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: when you freeze
it, yeah, yes, doesn't it? Yes,
          
                  
            26:52
          
          
            yes.
          
                  
            26:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: Why are you bringing
logic to the show stop. Sorry.
          
                  
            26:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: You know.
          
                  
            26:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: So it turns out
they've also, so not only have
          
                  
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            they added this, this new metric
of barometric pressure, and at
          
                  
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            millibars, yes, in millibars,
not, not inches, which is
          
                  
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            interesting, we do that in
millibars, things because it
          
                  
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            looks bigger in millibars, you
know, instead of saying 29.9 so
          
                  
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            millibars because then it's
like, oh, it's 900 millibars.
          
                  
            27:23
          
          
            There seems to also have been an
interesting reshuffling of the
          
                  
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            category with wind speeds. And I
was unaware of this, but we do
          
                  
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            have the best producers in the
universe. So a category one
          
                  
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            storm is wind speeds of 74 to 95
miles an hour. That's a 22 mile
          
                  
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            per hour range. A category two
storm, however, is 96 to 110
          
                  
            27:49
          
          
            miles per hour. That's a 15 mile
per hour range. Why? Why? I
          
                  
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            don't understand why. Then we
have category three, which we
          
                  
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            call a major storm, is 111
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I'm asking
questions
          
                  
            28:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: exactly which is a
111 to 129 mile per hour? That's
          
                  
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            a 19 mile per hour range. And
then category four. Now this is
          
                  
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            the interesting a category four
is anywhere from 130 to 156 so
          
                  
            28:22
          
          
            now all of a sudden, that's a 27
mile per hour range. So it seems
          
                  
            28:29
          
          
            like they're driving everything
into at least a cat four, and
          
                  
            28:32
          
          
            then a cat five is anything over
157 so this is a reminds me a
          
                  
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            little bit of the of the changes
they made to the Richter scale
          
                  
            28:43
          
          
            and became the momentum scale
for earthquakes, whatever
          
                  
            28:46
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it is now, you
          
                  
            28:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: know, whatever it
is. So now we get into everybody
          
                  
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            spinning up and spinning out,
including friends of mine, good
          
                  
            28:55
          
          
            friends of mine, like, oh, this
was to disrupt the election, to
          
                  
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            which I say, Okay, I love that,
by the way, North Carolina blue,
          
                  
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            so, so that wasn't the
intention.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Democrat
governor. Yes, it's a blue
          
                  
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            state.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: But then you do
Florida, like, okay, so what are
          
                  
            29:13
          
          
            you really disrupting? We have
an electoral college, you know.
          
                  
            29:16
          
          
            So it's not going to make any
difference, you know, if you do
          
                  
            29:20
          
          
            it in Pennsylvania, and,
          
                  
            29:23
          
          
            John C Dvorak: yeah, that's
George.
          
                  
            29:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: Want to do it? Yeah,
that's just Michigan. Steer it
          
                  
            29:27
          
          
            that way. Blow
          
                  
            29:29
          
          
            John C Dvorak: up Michigan.
          
                  
            29:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: So I have to just
spend a little bit on on these
          
                  
            29:35
          
          
            theories of weather
modification, because there's,
          
                  
            29:37
          
          
            you know, you can look at it
several different ways. French
          
                  
            29:40
          
          
            24 dove right into it more
          
                  
            29:42
          
          
            Unknown: broadly. Do we know?
Are there ways to try and
          
                  
            29:44
          
          
            mitigate the dangers of
hurricanes? Well, actually,
          
                  
            29:47
          
          
            scientists
          
                  
            29:47
          
          
            have long searched for a way to
at least attenuate or even
          
                  
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            prevent the formation of
hurricanes, or at least to try
          
                  
            29:52
          
          
            to change their track. It
started after World War Two with
          
                  
            29:55
          
          
            the project Cyrus, that was
financed by GE but also the US.
          
                  
            30:00
          
          
            Army. And what they did is that
they projected dry ice straight
          
                  
            30:03
          
          
            into the hurricane, thinking
that, by
          
                  
            30:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: the way, is very
irritating. But in in France,
          
                  
            30:08
          
          
            they don't say hurricane. They
say hurricane. For some reason,
          
                  
            30:11
          
          
            hurricane, it
          
                  
            30:12
          
          
            Unknown: was going to modify the
cloud envelope and change the
          
                  
            30:14
          
          
            structure of the hurricane. And
they did, you know, observe
          
                  
            30:19
          
          
            somewhat, somewhat of some
changes in the appearance of the
          
                  
            30:22
          
          
            hurricane, but they couldn't
establish a very strong causal
          
                  
            30:25
          
          
            effect. So then there was
another project that was a
          
                  
            30:28
          
          
            little bit more known, called
the storm fury project. It
          
                  
            30:30
          
          
            lasted for 20 years. It was
funded by the US government. And
          
                  
            30:33
          
          
            here they did what we call cloud
seeding. So here they dumped
          
                  
            30:36
          
          
            what we call silver iodide, so
these are salt crystals, and
          
                  
            30:40
          
          
            once again, thinking that it
would modify the structure to
          
                  
            30:43
          
          
            increase the condensation and
change the hurricane from
          
                  
            30:46
          
          
            within. And they used it on
several hurricanes in the 60s.
          
                  
            30:50
          
          
            Esther Bulla, Debbie ginger, at
first, the results were
          
                  
            30:55
          
          
            encouraging, but then they
stopped once again, because
          
                  
            30:57
          
          
            there wasn't a strong causal
effect. They couldn't say that
          
                  
            31:00
          
          
            the these silver crystals were
really the reason why the
          
                  
            31:04
          
          
            hurricane had changed trajectory
or intensity. And
          
                  
            31:06
          
          
            there's another idea as well,
Julia, this was a really, really
          
                  
            31:09
          
          
            rather creepy one. And this is
dropping an atomic bomb to blow
          
                  
            31:14
          
          
            out in inverted commas, a newly
formed hurricane. Tell us about
          
                  
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            this? Well, exactly.
          
                  
            31:18
          
          
            Thank God they didn't use it. Of
course, this would have produced
          
                  
            31:21
          
          
            radioactive fallout in a big
way, and, of course,
          
                  
            31:23
          
          
            environmental issues, but they
did consider it okay.
          
                  
            31:25
          
          
            Adam Curry: So there's been lots
of experiments, so it's no
          
                  
            31:28
          
          
            wonder that people discuss these
things. And one of those
          
                  
            31:31
          
          
            experiments actually veered the
hurricane, often in a wrong
          
                  
            31:34
          
          
            direction. People got very angry
at the government. Now it
          
                  
            31:38
          
          
            doesn't help that Lyndon
Johnson, President Lyndon
          
                  
            31:41
          
          
            Johnson was quite jitty about
the whole concept,
          
                  
            31:46
          
          
            Unknown: the foundation for the
development of a weather
          
                  
            31:48
          
          
            satellite
          
                  
            31:51
          
          
            that will permit man to
determine the world's
          
                  
            31:56
          
          
            cloud labor and
          
                  
            31:59
          
          
            ultimately to control the
          
                  
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            weather, and he who controls
          
                  
            32:06
          
          
            John C Dvorak: the weather will
control the world. Yeah, He who
          
                  
            32:08
          
          
            controls the weather to bring
back classic. It's a classic.
          
                  
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            And you, you know, you listen to
the commentators, nobody. What
          
                  
            32:15
          
          
            you're doing right now is should
have been done by every by Fox,
          
                  
            32:19
          
          
            for example. You were more
interested in using the word
          
                  
            32:22
          
          
            triage instead of
          
                  
            32:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: prioritizing. And it
also doesn't help that CIA
          
                  
            32:28
          
          
            Director John O Brennan also
kind of alluded to this, as
          
                  
            32:33
          
          
            Unknown: promising as it may be,
moving forward on essay
          
                  
            32:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: he's going to talk
about stratospheric. S was it s
          
                  
            32:40
          
          
            Sai, Stratos, Stratospheric
Aerosol injection, promising
          
                  
            32:45
          
          
            Unknown: as it may be, moving
forward on sai would also raise
          
                  
            32:48
          
          
            a number of challenges for our
government and for the
          
                  
            32:50
          
          
            international community. On the
technical side, greenhouse gas
          
                  
            32:54
          
          
            emission reductions would still
have to accompany sai to address
          
                  
            32:58
          
          
            other climate change effects
such as ocean acidification,
          
                  
            33:02
          
          
            because sai alone would not
remove greenhouse gasses from
          
                  
            33:05
          
          
            the atmosphere. On the
geopolitical side, the
          
                  
            33:09
          
          
            technology's potential to alter
weather patterns and benefit
          
                  
            33:13
          
          
            certain regions of the world at
the expense of other regions
          
                  
            33:16
          
          
            could trigger sharp opposition
by some nations. Others might
          
                  
            33:21
          
          
            seize on sai benefits and back
away from their commitment to
          
                  
            33:24
          
          
            carbon dioxide reductions, and
as with other breakthrough
          
                  
            33:28
          
          
            technologies, global norms and
standards are lacking to guide
          
                  
            33:31
          
          
            the deployment and
implementation of Sai and other
          
                  
            33:35
          
          
            geoengineering initiatives. I
could go on and on and on and on
          
                  
            33:40
          
          
            about the things that fascinate
me? Yeah,
          
                  
            33:42
          
          
            Adam Curry: of course it
fascinates him, because weather
          
                  
            33:44
          
          
            modification, you can rule the
world. So this is where these
          
                  
            33:48
          
          
            conspiracies come from. And we
have a we have a
          
                  
            33:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: just to defend
Marjorie Taylor Greene, she
          
                  
            33:56
          
          
            didn't say anything wrong.
          
                  
            33:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: She didn't it was a
very short tweet, and I think
          
                  
            34:00
          
          
            she was spot on. It's
inflammatory, you know, it's,
          
                  
            34:04
          
          
            it's what Marjorie Taylor,
          
                  
            34:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's what she
does. That's what
          
                  
            34:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: she does. We have
job. We have a knight who is
          
                  
            34:12
          
          
            very high up in and he wants to
remain anonymous, I have to say
          
                  
            34:17
          
          
            carefully, in one of the larger
American weather modification
          
                  
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            associations. And so he has a
lot of background. I checked him
          
                  
            34:27
          
          
            out, so I can't, I can't talk
about him per se. But he says,
          
                  
            34:34
          
          
            look, look. He said, There is no
evidence that there was any
          
                  
            34:40
          
          
            weather modification done in
these two instances, I'm just
          
                  
            34:44
          
          
            going to take him at his word,
and that's sure he's correct,
          
                  
            34:47
          
          
            and yes, and he checks out, and
I can't believe that they don't
          
                  
            34:51
          
          
            have someone like him on Fox and
Friends. No. Instead, we have to
          
                  
            34:56
          
          
            deal with insane things, and
whenever. Where I get an eight
          
                  
            35:00
          
          
            second clip, I'm like, wait a
minute, and even just listening
          
                  
            35:05
          
          
            to this clip, because it was
only audio, I knew right away
          
                  
            35:08
          
          
            that this was not the director
of FEMA. We
          
                  
            35:12
          
          
            Unknown: plan to execute between
70 and 80 we plan to evacuate
          
                  
            35:17
          
          
            between 70 and 80,000 people.
          
                  
            35:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: So first of all, I
think the director of FEMA, or
          
                  
            35:22
          
          
            the administrator is a woman. So
this is a black guy. It's Lloyd
          
                  
            35:27
          
          
            Austin from 2021 and I remember
this because somebody sent you
          
                  
            35:31
          
          
            this clip. Oh, it's all over.
You got the girls going like,
          
                  
            35:36
          
          
            oh, is this the truth? Wanting
to come out? Oh, yeah, there's
          
                  
            35:40
          
          
            Unknown: exceeded all
expectations. Yeah, that's
          
                  
            35:42
          
          
            Lloyd, Austin. It's Austin. We
plan to execute between 70 and
          
                  
            35:47
          
          
            80. We plan to evacuate between
70 and 80,000 people.
          
                  
            35:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: So it's like, oh,
okay, please. This is a very old
          
                  
            35:56
          
          
            clip, and it goes around and
people like, they're going to
          
                  
            35:58
          
          
            execute people the other, the
other one that really got me,
          
                  
            36:02
          
          
            yeah, the one that really got, I
think is fabulous, is now this,
          
                  
            36:07
          
          
            this was people were getting mad
at me about this, because I was,
          
                  
            36:11
          
          
            look, I have experience,
          
                  
            36:12
          
          
            John C Dvorak: and if you're
gonna get mad, they should get
          
                  
            36:14
          
          
            mad at you, yes, oh, they never
          
                  
            36:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: get mad at you. They
should. You need to exalt the
          
                  
            36:22
          
          
            older men? Yes. So this is a
clip of North Carolina, and it
          
                  
            36:27
          
          
            only had titles over it, and it
had this really ominous music.
          
                  
            36:32
          
          
            I'll play it with a Blackhawk
helicopter, and it would say,
          
                  
            36:37
          
          
            Oh, look at them. It's unmarked.
They're coming over here.
          
                  
            36:40
          
          
            They're rotor washing us. And so
I get emails from people I
          
                  
            36:47
          
          
            learned a new term, rotor
washing. Look at what they're
          
                  
            36:50
          
          
            doing to us. They're rotor
washing us. And I'm like, Okay,
          
                  
            36:54
          
          
            it looks to me, just from a
pilot perspective. And I have a
          
                  
            36:59
          
          
            lot of hours. I have more hours
on helicopter than fixed wing,
          
                  
            37:03
          
          
            including a Chinook one hour.
But okay, so Chinook, and I said
          
                  
            37:07
          
          
            the Blackhawk is very powerful.
Around 53 feet is when you're
          
                  
            37:11
          
          
            gonna start blowing stuff away
on the ground. It looks to me
          
                  
            37:15
          
          
            like they're coming in to figure
out where they can land, and
          
                  
            37:18
          
          
            then you decide to take off. And
yeah, your tents are gonna fly
          
                  
            37:22
          
          
            away, and your boxes are gonna,
you know, move around on the
          
                  
            37:25
          
          
            ground. But if they were really
rotor washing you, which I have
          
                  
            37:29
          
          
            done, I have rotor washed a
sailboat in Holland. It was fun.
          
                  
            37:33
          
          
            The guys loved it. There was
there on the lake, and we came
          
                  
            37:36
          
          
            out on purpose, yeah, but they
wanted it because we were
          
                  
            37:38
          
          
            helping that we were giving him
speed, and they thought it was
          
                  
            37:41
          
          
            hilarious, so we were blowing
their sail. And so I know you
          
                  
            37:44
          
          
            have to come down a lot,
especially with that, you know,
          
                  
            37:46
          
          
            53 feet is about where, where
it's at. And so now we get the
          
                  
            37:51
          
          
            story was North Carolina
National Guard. They were
          
                  
            37:55
          
          
            looking, they actually thought
they could land. And Well,
          
                  
            37:59
          
          
            here's the story, the North
          
                  
            38:00
          
          
            Unknown: Carolina National Guard
is investigating an accident or
          
                  
            38:02
          
          
            an incident, I should say, of
one of its helicopters at a
          
                  
            38:05
          
          
            Helene Donation Center. Viewer
          
                  
            38:06
          
          
            shared this video of the chopper
coming too close to a
          
                  
            38:09
          
          
            distribution site in Burnsville.
The National Guard says this
          
                  
            38:12
          
          
            happened as the pilot tried to
land and deliver generators. The
          
                  
            38:15
          
          
            National Guard says on approach,
the crew noticed that there were
          
                  
            38:18
          
          
            too many people tents and
supplies close the landing
          
                  
            38:20
          
          
            supply. So the helicopter took
back off. They also admit they
          
                  
            38:24
          
          
            did not get clearance to land
from local law enforcement
          
                  
            38:26
          
          
            station.
          
                  
            38:27
          
          
            Safety is our number one
Paramount with our forces that
          
                  
            38:31
          
          
            we have on the ground. And so we
are again continuing to
          
                  
            38:34
          
          
            investigate that we do have some
communication with the landing
          
                  
            38:38
          
          
            sites and the people that we are
going to take commodities to
          
                  
            38:41
          
          
            it's matured over time.
Initially we had no
          
                  
            38:44
          
          
            communication, so we were just
making a call and landing but
          
                  
            38:48
          
          
            now the landing sites have been
more mature, and we do have
          
                  
            38:52
          
          
            communication with emergency
personnel that are on the
          
                  
            38:54
          
          
            ground.
          
                  
            38:56
          
          
            Major General Todd hunt said he
is very sorry for the incident.
          
                  
            38:59
          
          
            He says the crew is grounded for
now, and they're working with
          
                  
            39:01
          
          
            the organization to identify how
much damage the crew caused.
          
                  
            39:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: So, oh, so, of
course, you know this was not, I
          
                  
            39:09
          
          
            mean, the implication this is
because there's so little trust,
          
                  
            39:13
          
          
            or maybe just massive distrust
in our government at the moment
          
                  
            39:18
          
          
            that people jump to this
conclusion that they're trying
          
                  
            39:21
          
          
            to purposely hurt them. I just
don't think that was the case
          
                  
            39:26
          
          
            and but the programming was so
strong when I even said, Hey, I
          
                  
            39:31
          
          
            don't think that's, I don't
think this is their purposely
          
                  
            39:34
          
          
            rotor washing. Because if you
really purposely want to rotor
          
                  
            39:37
          
          
            wash, people would be flying
around on the ground. You know
          
                  
            39:41
          
          
            this, this was they're trying
to, they're trying to do
          
                  
            39:43
          
          
            reconnaissance. Can we land
here? They fly away and but
          
                  
            39:47
          
          
            people are so spun up. Because,
for sure, the reliance on the
          
                  
            39:52
          
          
            government has been so built up
we talked about in the last
          
                  
            39:56
          
          
            show, so built up by people. Oh,
the government's going to come
          
                  
            39:59
          
          
            and save me. And what's
happening in western North
          
                  
            40:02
          
          
            Carolina. It's horrible. I mean,
we're not getting and of course,
          
                  
            40:05
          
          
            all of that news is going to be
pushed to the back burner. We're
          
                  
            40:09
          
          
            only going to be talking about
Florida right now. It's all
          
                  
            40:11
          
          
            minimal because, oh, god forbid
we make anybody look good,
          
                  
            40:15
          
          
            because you can't. The
government is not set up to be
          
                  
            40:19
          
          
            the knights in shining armor.
They're not set up to save you.
          
                  
            40:23
          
          
            They're not they talk a big
game, just like Kamala is going
          
                  
            40:27
          
          
            to save you with, I don't know,
building houses. And they just
          
                  
            40:32
          
          
            talk, the sooner we realize that
that's not the way it is, the
          
                  
            40:37
          
          
            better it is. And we're just in
this horrible, I don't know, 80
          
                  
            40:41
          
          
            or 100 year cycle. Well, you
know, we had Sir Mark and Dame
          
                  
            40:45
          
          
            Astrid here, Sunday and Monday.
Fantastic. We had a great time.
          
                  
            40:51
          
          
            And Sir Mark was telling us how
he went to the Fukushima, you
          
                  
            40:57
          
          
            know, just check stuff out the
little tour up there. And they
          
                  
            41:01
          
          
            went to this hilltop, and there
were three monuments, and he
          
                  
            41:05
          
          
            says, Oh, is this the monument
for Fukushima? And the Japanese
          
                  
            41:08
          
          
            guide there said, oh, yeah, we
do it for every time it happens.
          
                  
            41:11
          
          
            This happens every 100 years. So
this is from 100 years ago. This
          
                  
            41:14
          
          
            from 200 years ago. See, we
didn't, we don't hear all that,
          
                  
            41:18
          
          
            but that's Mother Earth wins
every single time. So you know,
          
                  
            41:23
          
          
            to throw in climate change and
all of this nonsense. It's, it's
          
                  
            41:28
          
          
            dishonest, and it's, it's just
programming weak minded brothers
          
                  
            41:32
          
          
            and sisters into believing it
and going along with the program
          
                  
            41:35
          
          
            and eating bugs, and it makes
everybody else crazy and mad,
          
                  
            41:39
          
          
            because they're, doing it.
They're doing they're doing it
          
                  
            41:43
          
          
            to screw the elections. No, it's
just life Trump's fault. Yeah,
          
                  
            41:48
          
          
            it's for, well, of course, it's
all Trump's fault. The same, by
          
                  
            41:52
          
          
            the way, goes for the and Trump
is out there. He's, he's talking
          
                  
            41:56
          
          
            this thing up too, which is bull
crap, this Kamala Harris 60
          
                  
            42:00
          
          
            Minutes interview. What? They
edited it. They took out all the
          
                  
            42:03
          
          
            stupid stuff. Okay, yeah, 60
minutes. Chopped down their
          
                  
            42:10
          
          
            interview to get it into, I
don't know, 60 minutes. And yes,
          
                  
            42:14
          
          
            they chopped out all the fluff
and the nonsense that she talks.
          
                  
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            But they had put that. Let's
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: stop right there.
That's what you do. Yes,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: that's what you do.
With an interview
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I used to guy I
knew, David Renson, who used to
          
                  
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            write for Playboy. We were
talking one day about how I met
          
                  
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            him because they were going to
do a piece of it involved me and
          
                  
            42:43
          
          
            he's talked about the best
interviews in the Playboy,
          
                  
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            interviews are extremely edited,
because that otherwise you're
          
                  
            42:50
          
          
            going to bore people stiff. If
you look at something like
          
                  
            42:53
          
          
            Interview magazine, when that
was around, they would do Waldo.
          
                  
            42:56
          
          
            Their interviews are, were
straight up, and it was a lot
          
                  
            42:59
          
          
            of, well, the way I see it's
like get it's like taking and
          
                  
            43:05
          
          
            doing a transcription of Elon
Musk, who's gonna read this
          
                  
            43:09
          
          
            crap.
          
                  
            43:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: So when I, of
course, you know, everyone had
          
                  
            43:12
          
          
            the side by side, it's about 15
seconds longer the unedited bit,
          
                  
            43:16
          
          
            and we can certainly play it.
But the point is, it was CBS
          
                  
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            themselves who put the whole,
the full answer Question and
          
                  
            43:26
          
          
            Answer out. It was on Face The
Nation as a promo reel for the
          
                  
            43:30
          
          
            interview. Because then, when I
saw this, like, Well, where did
          
                  
            43:33
          
          
            this come from? This tape. Was
it leaked? Is there someone
          
                  
            43:35
          
          
            within CBS? Because that's the
implication, oh, we got the raw,
          
                  
            43:39
          
          
            unreaded footage. They just put
it out there. They was part of a
          
                  
            43:44
          
          
            promo for the whole 60 Minutes
interview and and by the way,
          
                  
            43:49
          
          
            the whole thing is chopped up.
You think that was you
          
                  
            43:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: have to do that.
That's what you do. You do this
          
                  
            43:55
          
          
            is an entertainment at some
level. You don't bore people
          
                  
            44:00
          
          
            stiff with the real deal,
because no one's going to follow
          
                  
            44:04
          
          
            it. They're going to go nuts.
Yes, she's a hopeless case.
          
                  
            44:08
          
          
            She's dumb.
          
                  
            44:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah, she is. She
and if anything is a
          
                  
            44:13
          
          
            John C Dvorak: dumb person, you
can see it in her eyes.
          
                  
            44:16
          
          
            Adam Curry: I have actually have
a backgrounder here, because she
          
                  
            44:20
          
          
            went on this, yeah, here, this
France 24 again, but they had a
          
                  
            44:23
          
          
            good little summary of her media
blitz.
          
                  
            44:25
          
          
            Unknown: We asked ahead of time.
With just four weeks to go, it's
          
                  
            44:28
          
          
            her last chance for voters to
get to know her better, cracking
          
                  
            44:32
          
          
            open a can of lager on Stephen
Colbert's talk show, Vice
          
                  
            44:35
          
          
            President Harris continued her
week long, high profile media
          
                  
            44:38
          
          
            blitz. Howard Stern's radio
show, whose listenership skews
          
                  
            44:42
          
          
            white and male. She took a mix
of more hardline questions on
          
                  
            44:46
          
          
            policy, but also showed her
personality. Sis.
          
                  
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            Listen, I've been the first and
first woman in almost every
          
                  
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            position I've had. Yeah. So I
believe that men and women
          
                  
            44:57
          
          
            support women in leadership, and
that's been. My life experience,
          
                  
            45:01
          
          
            and that's why I'm running for
president, and that's
          
                  
            45:03
          
          
            in a bid to reach every
demographic. Four string of
          
                  
            45:05
          
          
            appearances has included non
traditional outlets like the
          
                  
            45:09
          
          
            call her daddy podcast, a Gen Z
millennial fan favorite with
          
                  
            45:13
          
          
            biggest female listenership
body.
          
                  
            45:15
          
          
            Unfortunately, Kamala Harris
doesn't have anything keeping
          
                  
            45:18
          
          
            her humble. How did that make
you feel?
          
                  
            45:21
          
          
            I don't think she understands
that there are a whole lot of
          
                  
            45:26
          
          
            women out here who one are not
aspiring to be humble.
          
                  
            45:31
          
          
            However, critics have argued
that Harris is still introducing
          
                  
            45:34
          
          
            herself this close to the
election, and accuse her of
          
                  
            45:37
          
          
            being unable to align herself
from Joe Biden's administration.
          
                  
            45:41
          
          
            Would you have done something
differently than President Biden
          
                  
            45:44
          
          
            during the past four years?
          
                  
            45:47
          
          
            There is not a thing that comes
to mind in terms of, and I've
          
                  
            45:50
          
          
            been a part of most of the
decisions that have had impact.
          
                  
            45:56
          
          
            Look Bill Paris
          
                  
            45:56
          
          
            eventually clarified that,
unlike Biden, she plans to put a
          
                  
            46:00
          
          
            Republican in her cabinet, with
seven battleground states up for
          
                  
            46:03
          
          
            grabs, and polls continuing to
show a tight race, the interview
          
                  
            46:07
          
          
            burst is intended to hit a large
portion of the media spectrum
          
                  
            46:11
          
          
            and dispel criticism about her
infrequent engagement with the
          
                  
            46:14
          
          
            mainstream media. All right, so
          
                  
            46:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: I've looked at all
of it. I looked at the 60
          
                  
            46:18
          
          
            minutes. I looked at the view
all of call her daddy boy. That
          
                  
            46:22
          
          
            was that was bored me to tears.
It was, I mean, no, it was
          
                  
            46:26
          
          
            terrible. One blow job question.
It was so boring. And
          
                  
            46:29
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's the thing
that I mentioned in the
          
                  
            46:31
          
          
            newsletter, and I just want to
reiterate it, yes, uh, Alexandra
          
                  
            46:37
          
          
            Cooper, Alex, Alex, who split
off from Sophia with an F Sophia
          
                  
            46:42
          
          
            Franklin, because they used to
be partners, and then they split
          
                  
            46:46
          
          
            off, and Alexandra got a potload
of money because she was she
          
                  
            46:53
          
          
            played her cards right, and her
and I've listened to her podcast
          
                  
            46:57
          
          
            now and again, trying to get
some clips from it. Never been
          
                  
            47:00
          
          
            able to, all she does is talk
about blow jobs. She is
          
                  
            47:04
          
          
            preoccupied with blow jobs. Yes,
yes. And so it's like, and
          
                  
            47:09
          
          
            she'll go on and on and on about
it with people. I don't think a
          
                  
            47:11
          
          
            lot of people want to talk about
it and but she talks about and
          
                  
            47:15
          
          
            talks about and so it so she
doesn't talk about it with
          
                  
            47:19
          
          
            Camelot. But as I mentioned the
newsletter, there's a very
          
                  
            47:23
          
          
            interesting irony here that,
because I don't think cameras
          
                  
            47:26
          
          
            people knew anything about this
podcast, they just knew it was
          
                  
            47:29
          
          
            big. Is second to Rogan at
Spotify, supposedly, and so it's
          
                  
            47:35
          
          
            a monster podcast that has a big
audience, and that's all they
          
                  
            47:38
          
          
            knew. It's this is like media
buyers. They don't know what
          
                  
            47:40
          
          
            they're doing, and so they put
her on there. And the irony of
          
                  
            47:43
          
          
            her being on a blow basically a
blow job podcast, did not elude
          
                  
            47:50
          
          
            a lot of people, including me.
          
                  
            47:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: So here's my
conclusion, besides her word
          
                  
            47:57
          
          
            salad and saying nothing, which
is okay, if you gave me 10 women
          
                  
            48:05
          
          
            and put them in a lineup and
said, Okay, you're casting for
          
                  
            48:09
          
          
            president, she would be last.
There is nothing about her at
          
                  
            48:14
          
          
            all that has anything
presidential. She has dead eyes.
          
                  
            48:19
          
          
            She has when she talks, She
frowns when she talks, which is
          
                  
            48:23
          
          
            very off putting she has a bit
of that vocal fry America
          
                  
            48:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a wine, a
Berkeley wine, Berkeley
          
                  
            48:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: wine. We
          
                  
            48:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: choose a Berkeley
wine. We
          
                  
            48:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: choose our
presidents like we choose our
          
                  
            48:38
          
          
            breakfast cereal. And this is
not what Americans go for. I
          
                  
            48:43
          
          
            don't understand why the
Republicans and conservatives in
          
                  
            48:47
          
          
            our country are so spun up about
it. She's not going to be
          
                  
            48:52
          
          
            elected. Now, can they cheat? I
even doubt that you can't cheat
          
                  
            48:56
          
          
            enough. Yeah, too big to rig.
She is really unappealing, just
          
                  
            49:03
          
          
            unappeal She is. She's
unappealing, which is the whole
          
                  
            49:05
          
          
            reason why she had 1% when she
was running for president, she
          
                  
            49:10
          
          
            had to drop out. It was so
embarrassing, because no one
          
                  
            49:13
          
          
            likes her. She's unlikable. And
I'm saying this from a
          
                  
            49:17
          
          
            television producer perspective.
You
          
                  
            49:19
          
          
            John C Dvorak: can say from any
perspective you want. I think if
          
                  
            49:23
          
          
            you talk to a lot of women don't
like or, I mean, the only people
          
                  
            49:27
          
          
            that like or don't have never
seen her do anything, they're
          
                  
            49:30
          
          
            just voting Democrat. Huge
number of people out there,
          
                  
            49:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah, sure, huge
number, yes, but those are the
          
                  
            49:38
          
          
            ones who aren't hurting in the
pocketbook.
          
                  
            49:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Might be, but
they just vote Democrat. There
          
                  
            49:44
          
          
            are people that vote Democrat.
There are people that vote
          
                  
            49:47
          
          
            Republican, and there's a big
range of people that actually
          
                  
            49:50
          
          
            take a look at Yeah, and they
decide late, I do
          
                  
            49:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: want to play just
two clips from the 60 Minutes
          
                  
            49:57
          
          
            interview, just to put some
content and. A to this segment
          
                  
            50:01
          
          
            where we just slag women off
based upon their parents.
          
                  
            50:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: That's what you
did. I didn't do it. You're
          
                  
            50:09
          
          
            guilty
          
                  
            50:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: by association. Here
she is, and there's a lot of
          
                  
            50:14
          
          
            hey, hey, you know, if you don't
mind me, excuse me. I'm talking.
          
                  
            50:18
          
          
            Let me. Let me finish. That
          
                  
            50:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: does not work.
          
                  
            50:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, it's very it's
not good at all. This is about
          
                  
            50:26
          
          
            the border. Was
          
                  
            50:27
          
          
            Unknown: it a mistake to loosen
the immigration policies? As
          
                  
            50:32
          
          
            much as you dig.
          
                  
            50:33
          
          
            It's a long standing edit,
          
                  
            50:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: by the way, edit I
can just you can tell where all
          
                  
            50:38
          
          
            the edits are. This thing was
completely chopped up, not just
          
                  
            50:41
          
          
            this one bit immigration
          
                  
            50:43
          
          
            Unknown: policies,
          
                  
            50:44
          
          
            as much as you did. It's a long
standing problem, and solutions
          
                  
            50:50
          
          
            are at hand, and from day one,
literally, we have been offering
          
                  
            50:55
          
          
            solutions.
          
                  
            50:56
          
          
            What I was asking was, was it a
mistake to kind of allow that
          
                  
            51:01
          
          
            flood to happen in the first
place. I
          
                  
            51:03
          
          
            think the policies that we have
been proposing are about fixing
          
                  
            51:09
          
          
            a problem, not promoting a
problem. Okay, but the numbers
          
                  
            51:12
          
          
            did quadruple, and the numbers
today because of what we have
          
                  
            51:16
          
          
            done, we have cut the flow of
illegal immigration by half. We
          
                  
            51:22
          
          
            have to cut the flow of fentanyl
by half, but we need Congress to
          
                  
            51:28
          
          
            be able to act to actually fix
the
          
                  
            51:31
          
          
            problem. Okay, so
          
                  
            51:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: that's a very bad
answer, very bad answer, and
          
                  
            51:36
          
          
            everybody knows it. And then the
other one is about her flip
          
                  
            51:40
          
          
            flopping on all of our policies.
Let
          
                  
            51:42
          
          
            Unknown: me tell you what your
critics and the colonists say.
          
                  
            51:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: The columnist or the
columnist, pay attention.
          
                  
            51:48
          
          
            Unknown: We tell you what your
critics and
          
                  
            51:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: hold that. Now I
should mention what's kind of
          
                  
            51:53
          
          
            what, what
          
                  
            51:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: columnist?
Columnist, the columnist. Oh, I
          
                  
            51:57
          
          
            tell you the columnist. Oh, God,
lordy. Let me
          
                  
            51:59
          
          
            Unknown: tell you what your
critics and the columnists say?
          
                  
            52:02
          
          
            Okay, they say, the reason so
many voters don't know you is
          
                  
            52:07
          
          
            that you have changed your
position on so many things. You
          
                  
            52:11
          
          
            were against fracking. Now
you're for it. You supported
          
                  
            52:15
          
          
            looser immigration policies. Now
you're tightening them up.
          
                  
            52:19
          
          
            You're for Medicare for all. Now
you're not so many that people
          
                  
            52:24
          
          
            don't truly know what you
believe or what you stand for,
          
                  
            52:29
          
          
            and I know you've heard that.
          
                  
            52:30
          
          
            In the last four years, I have
been vice president United
          
                  
            52:34
          
          
            States, and I have been
traveling our country, and I
          
                  
            52:36
          
          
            have been listening to folks and
seeking what is possible in
          
                  
            52:41
          
          
            terms of common ground. I
believe in building consensus.
          
                  
            52:45
          
          
            We are diverse people,
geographically, regionally, in
          
                  
            52:49
          
          
            terms of where we are in our
backgrounds, and what the
          
                  
            52:53
          
          
            American people do want is that
we have leaders who can build
          
                  
            52:56
          
          
            consensus, where we can figure
out compromise and understand
          
                  
            53:01
          
          
            it's not a bad thing, as long as
you don't compromise your values
          
                  
            53:05
          
          
            to find common sense solutions,
and that has been my approach.
          
                  
            53:11
          
          
            There
          
                  
            53:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: was a whole article
in Atlantic magazine because
          
                  
            53:15
          
          
            they're so mad. They're so mad
about Kamala and Trump going on
          
                  
            53:21
          
          
            podcasts and like, well, it's
not real if you just want a
          
                  
            53:25
          
          
            softball personality in your
head. Face it, mainstream media.
          
                  
            53:31
          
          
            Face it, M, 5m podcasts are
taken over. Go sit behind the Go
          
                  
            53:37
          
          
            ahead. Sit behind the the
paywall. See how you do.
          
                  
            53:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I have a good,
just an interrupting clip here
          
                  
            53:45
          
          
            about podcasts that was sent
over by Steve. And where is this
          
                  
            53:51
          
          
            thing? It's actually kind of
fits right into what you're
          
                  
            53:54
          
          
            saying.
          
                  
            53:57
          
          
            Unknown: I'm looking,
          
                  
            53:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm looking too.
          
                  
            54:00
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh NPR, the
candidates appear on podcasts.
          
                  
            54:03
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, okay. Vice
President
          
                  
            54:05
          
          
            Unknown: and candidate Kamala
Harris have been stepping up
          
                  
            54:07
          
          
            media appearances lately. She's
been getting criticism that
          
                  
            54:10
          
          
            she's not spending enough time
in the public eye. Harris has
          
                  
            54:13
          
          
            done traditional shows like 60
minutes and also hitting the
          
                  
            54:16
          
          
            podcast circuit. Last week, she
turned up on the podcast all the
          
                  
            54:19
          
          
            smoke, hosted by former NBA
champ Stephen Jackson and Matt
          
                  
            54:23
          
          
            Barnes as
          
                  
            54:24
          
          
            someone who's been the first in
a lot of spaces you've been in,
          
                  
            54:27
          
          
            a woman of color knocking on the
door to possibly be the next
          
                  
            54:30
          
          
            president. How do you protect
your mental health and your
          
                  
            54:33
          
          
            mental space?
          
                  
            54:34
          
          
            Number one rule,
          
                  
            54:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: John, how do you
protect your mental space?
          
                  
            54:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I really, I'm
very mental space. Yes,
          
                  
            54:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: you protect your
mental space.
          
                  
            54:44
          
          
            Unknown: You protect your mental
health and your mental space.
          
                  
            54:46
          
          
            Well, number one rule, don't
read the comments. Fantastic. If
          
                  
            54:52
          
          
            you
          
                  
            54:52
          
          
            have a specific slice Sarah
people that you want to reach,
          
                  
            54:54
          
          
            there is a podcast for that.
That's for sure. There's a lot
          
                  
            54:57
          
          
            of them, but when you and I are
doing interviews, I mean, we
          
                  
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            have. Journalistic principles
that we follow. So those
          
                  
            55:02
          
          
            podcasts follow any of that
          
                  
            55:04
          
          
            typically not. I mean, these are
typically run by hosts who are
          
                  
            55:07
          
          
            influencers. Maybe they are
former reality stars or former
          
                  
            55:11
          
          
            athletes. They are not people
who typically have journalistic
          
                  
            55:15
          
          
            training, although you'll see
they prepare for interviews.
          
                  
            55:17
          
          
            Sometimes they'll reference
sound bites. They'll try to make
          
                  
            55:20
          
          
            sure that this interview feels
very authoritative, but at the
          
                  
            55:23
          
          
            end of the day, the same type of
journalistic standards and
          
                  
            55:26
          
          
            scrutiny that you and I would
pose on an interview don't exist
          
                  
            55:29
          
          
            here. And so the reason why I
think you're going to have
          
                  
            55:32
          
          
            pressure to do both types of
environments, formal sit down
          
                  
            55:36
          
          
            interview with a journalistic
outlet like an NPR or, you know,
          
                  
            55:38
          
          
            in the case of last night 60
minutes. It's because voters
          
                  
            55:42
          
          
            want to know more about your
actual platform, as opposed to,
          
                  
            55:44
          
          
            if you're sitting down with a
podcaster, they're just getting
          
                  
            55:47
          
          
            to know a little bit more about
          
                  
            55:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: you personally. Oh,
it's pretty much the same thing
          
                  
            55:50
          
          
            in the Atlantic, the same thing.
Oh, there's no there's no
          
                  
            55:53
          
          
            journalistic integrity. They
don't have producers and people
          
                  
            55:58
          
          
            looking for stuff and digging
through and there's no critical
          
                  
            56:01
          
          
            questions. What a crock. Totally
and I am, I will say
          
                  
            56:06
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that, by the way,
I there's a lot of podcasts that
          
                  
            56:11
          
          
            have journalists involved with
them. Yeah, I would say this is
          
                  
            56:14
          
          
            one of them, but I don't like to
brag about that, but the whole
          
                  
            56:18
          
          
            New York Times podcast is just
journal is yakking about stuff,
          
                  
            56:22
          
          
            yes,
          
                  
            56:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: but of course, you
know the really successful ones
          
                  
            56:27
          
          
            where the money is, which we're
not making with our integrity
          
                  
            56:30
          
          
            and our journal and our J school
diplomas like Joe Rogan. And I
          
                  
            56:36
          
          
            have to say, I find it peculiar
that neither candidate has been
          
                  
            56:43
          
          
            on Rogan I know why Trump, at
least, I think I know why Trump
          
                  
            56:48
          
          
            hasn't been on is because at
least a while ago it was, you
          
                  
            56:54
          
          
            know, Hey, you want to be on my
show, you got to come to my
          
                  
            56:57
          
          
            studio. And Trump only does him
at Mar a Lago. So I understand
          
                  
            57:01
          
          
            that there's, that's a I
understand Joe like, come to my
          
                  
            57:04
          
          
            studio. I think Kamala should
go. In fact, it would be I
          
                  
            57:10
          
          
            should
          
                  
            57:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: go on that show
in a million years. If she did,
          
                  
            57:13
          
          
            she I think those bookers that
booked her on the call her daddy
          
                  
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            show or idiots. I think they're
smart enough to not put her on
          
                  
            57:20
          
          
            Rogan, I have to. I'd be stunned
if she ever showed up on Rogan.
          
                  
            57:24
          
          
            I can
          
                  
            57:25
          
          
            Adam Curry: predict, though, in
the future election, we won't
          
                  
            57:27
          
          
            make it to the next one because
we only have four more years.
          
                  
            57:31
          
          
            But in four
          
                  
            57:32
          
          
            John C Dvorak: more years in
future, but the four more years
          
                  
            57:34
          
          
            could be perpetual. Oh,
          
                  
            57:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: okay, Dream on. So
in four more years, I can see
          
                  
            57:41
          
          
            where an actual debate would
take place in a very in a
          
                  
            57:46
          
          
            podcast, just two candidates
sitting down, arguing, yelling,
          
                  
            57:52
          
          
            getting into it, getting into
it,
          
                  
            57:56
          
          
            John C Dvorak: more likely that
a lazy podcaster would let them
          
                  
            58:00
          
          
            go For because you sit back. I
mean, if you do enough radio or
          
                  
            58:04
          
          
            any of these free content, yeah,
free content, you back off and
          
                  
            58:08
          
          
            you just let them go for it,
yelling at each other, because,
          
                  
            58:11
          
          
            you know people are going to
tune in, and
          
                  
            58:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: you don't need a
moderator. There's no moderator
          
                  
            58:16
          
          
            John C Dvorak: just having me
yell at each other. Yes, I would
          
                  
            58:19
          
          
            pack them in. Just
          
                  
            58:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: toss a question up.
All right, let's border crisis
          
                  
            58:25
          
          
            go. That's all he needs to do.
In fact, I'm happy to facilitate
          
                  
            58:29
          
          
            that. So let me play two podcast
clips from an NPR podcast. So
          
                  
            58:37
          
          
            this is kind of meta where the
NPR politics podcast is talking
          
                  
            58:42
          
          
            about Kamala on the call her
daddy podcast. It's meta, and
          
                  
            58:46
          
          
            Unknown: today on the show, A
Look at VICE PRESIDENT Harris's
          
                  
            58:49
          
          
            media strategy Harris is doing.
Why
          
                  
            58:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: do they not get the
good mics in the good studio for
          
                  
            58:55
          
          
            NPR podcasts? What is this
sound? I
          
                  
            58:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: think this is
just the bad sound that I'm
          
                  
            59:00
          
          
            getting all the time, but you
came through crummy.
          
                  
            59:03
          
          
            Adam Curry: This is them. This
is just how it sounds. It's bad.
          
                  
            59:07
          
          
            And
          
                  
            59:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: today on the
show, A Look has better mics.
          
                  
            59:10
          
          
            Thank you. Harris's
          
                  
            59:11
          
          
            Unknown: media strategy, Harris
is doing a whirlwind of three
          
                  
            59:15
          
          
            interviews today, which was the
impetus for our podcast. You
          
                  
            59:18
          
          
            know, since she has become the
Democratic nominee, she's done a
          
                  
            59:21
          
          
            mix of mainstream broadcast
television interviews places
          
                  
            59:24
          
          
            like CNN and CBS, is 60 minutes.
And then she's also done
          
                  
            59:28
          
          
            untraditional interviews with
podcasts to engage with folks
          
                  
            59:31
          
          
            who might not be traditional
news consumers.
          
                  
            59:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: See that they are so
irked, they are beside
          
                  
            59:38
          
          
            themselves, because, you know,
come is not going to go on the
          
                  
            59:41
          
          
            NPR politics podcast, which no
one listens to, but other
          
                  
            59:45
          
          
            podcasters.
          
                  
            59:46
          
          
            Unknown: Aline, I want to start
the conversation with you. What
          
                  
            59:49
          
          
            is the thinking behind the mix
the combination of interviews
          
                  
            59:54
          
          
            Harris has been doing. This is a
very
          
                  
            59:56
          
          
            interesting strategy, this new
kind of realm of of podcasts.
          
                  
            1:00:00
          
          
            Going on social media. You know,
that's kind of a clear hand out
          
                  
            1:00:03
          
          
            to younger voters. No
          
                  
            1:00:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: has nothing to do
with younger voters. What
          
                  
            1:00:09
          
          
            picture the average Rogan
listener is older than you think
          
                  
            1:00:12
          
          
            Unknown: to to kind of get them
involved in the places that they
          
                  
            1:00:15
          
          
            consume information. And you
know, regardless of where she's
          
                  
            1:00:18
          
          
            going, these are places with
audiences of millions of people.
          
                  
            1:00:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: That's just a
thought. Pastor, I think they're
          
                  
            1:00:26
          
          
            equating podcast listeners with
tick tock listeners or viewers,
          
                  
            1:00:32
          
          
            because that is a younger
demographic. I'm convinced of
          
                  
            1:00:36
          
          
            it. I'm
          
                  
            1:00:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: not even I'm not
even sure of that the people I
          
                  
            1:00:39
          
          
            see addicted to tick tock are my
age, I'm not so sure about that.
          
                  
            1:00:43
          
          
            Well,
          
                  
            1:00:43
          
          
            John C Dvorak: okay, you got me
there. It's possible I'm wrong.
          
                  
            1:00:46
          
          
            No, this,
          
                  
            1:00:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: this is just what
you're hearing in their voices.
          
                  
            1:00:50
          
          
            Bigotry,
          
                  
            1:00:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: by the way,
          
                  
            1:00:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: is what they're
angry. They're angry. They're
          
                  
            1:00:54
          
          
            angry because, oh well, they
have the big audiences, because
          
                  
            1:00:57
          
          
            they're just influencers,
because they're just no good. I
          
                  
            1:01:01
          
          
            mean, you're fighting, they're
fighting a system that is that
          
                  
            1:01:04
          
          
            you always lose because, yes,
they have big audiences, because
          
                  
            1:01:08
          
          
            they don't have a stick up their
butt like you do with a crappy
          
                  
            1:01:11
          
          
            sound. You
          
                  
            1:01:12
          
          
            Unknown: know, regardless of
where she's going, these are
          
                  
            1:01:15
          
          
            places with audiences of
millions of people, and she's
          
                  
            1:01:18
          
          
            going on these podcasts that you
know, are kind of more geared
          
                  
            1:01:21
          
          
            towards younger folks. She just
went on on Sunday to Alex
          
                  
            1:01:26
          
          
            Cooper's show called call her
daddy, which is a show mostly, I
          
                  
            1:01:31
          
          
            mean entertainment podcast. It's
one of the top shows in the
          
                  
            1:01:34
          
          
            country, and it's about topics
like sex and relationships. And
          
                  
            1:01:37
          
          
            Harris kind of had this long
conversation about different
          
                  
            1:01:40
          
          
            issues affecting young women
today, and talked a lot about
          
                  
            1:01:42
          
          
            abortion. So let's talk
          
                  
            1:01:44
          
          
            a little bit more about a couple
of these specific podcast
          
                  
            1:01:47
          
          
            interviews she's done. Let's
talk specifically about the call
          
                  
            1:01:50
          
          
            her daddy episode.
          
                  
            1:01:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: This idea of,
let's talk about, let's talk
          
                  
            1:01:54
          
          
            about, I've noticed this on a
lot of these, these, this comes
          
                  
            1:01:57
          
          
            from Amy Goodman. This will tell
us about, let's talk about,
          
                  
            1:02:02
          
          
            let's talk about this. We've
never done that on this show,
          
                  
            1:02:05
          
          
            what
          
                  
            1:02:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: say you?
          
                  
            1:02:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What say you?
Well, that's even worse.
          
                  
            1:02:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes,
          
                  
            1:02:12
          
          
            Unknown: she's done let's talk
specifically about the call her
          
                  
            1:02:14
          
          
            daddy episode. You know, I felt
like it was, in a lot of ways,
          
                  
            1:02:18
          
          
            it was like an infomercial for
Harris. It was just an
          
                  
            1:02:21
          
          
            opportunity for her to talk at
length.
          
                  
            1:02:24
          
          
            That's what she wanted. It
almost to me, felt like the
          
                  
            1:02:27
          
          
            point of that interview was to
do the interview, if that makes
          
                  
            1:02:30
          
          
            sense, like her being on the
podcast just to say the words
          
                  
            1:02:33
          
          
            Kamala Harris is on call her
daddy, like that in itself, is
          
                  
            1:02:37
          
          
            something I've heard. You know,
folks around my age feel like,
          
                  
            1:02:40
          
          
            oh my god, this is kind of crazy
because of what I said earlier.
          
                  
            1:02:43
          
          
            This show is not known for
talking about politics.
          
                  
            1:02:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: Politics. Have
another you want to hear more of
          
                  
            1:02:49
          
          
            this, these two dingbats.
          
                  
            1:02:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I want to mention
that if you listen to the
          
                  
            1:02:53
          
          
            beginning of the call for call
for daddy, call call her daddy.
          
                  
            1:02:57
          
          
            Call for daddy, there's a call
me your podcast. We're going to
          
                  
            1:03:00
          
          
            start with a call for daddy.
Call for daddy. So
          
                  
            1:03:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: it's a faith based
podcast, call for dad.
          
                  
            1:03:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Alex goes starts
it off with an unbelievable
          
                  
            1:03:14
          
          
            like, five minutes of apologia.
I'm using that word instead of
          
                  
            1:03:18
          
          
            apology, but Apollo that she's
doing this at all. Yes, she goes
          
                  
            1:03:24
          
          
            on and on and on about, wait,
don't do politics
          
                  
            1:03:27
          
          
            Adam Curry: cross legged like
crisscross applesauce on her
          
                  
            1:03:30
          
          
            oversized couch. Okay, all
right, daddy verse, whatever she
          
                  
            1:03:35
          
          
            calls it, daddy verse,
          
                  
            1:03:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: daddy verse. I am
convinced that she was forced
          
                  
            1:03:41
          
          
            into this by Spotify. Maybe, I
think so, because she was so
          
                  
            1:03:46
          
          
            apology. Didn't want to do it.
There doesn't fit into the for
          
                  
            1:03:49
          
          
            you blah, blah, blah. She went
on and on and on, saying she's
          
                  
            1:03:52
          
          
            sorry for doing this, as you
know. So I guess they let her
          
                  
            1:03:56
          
          
            get away with with that excuse.
But the whole thing was off top.
          
                  
            1:04:00
          
          
            It was off. It was off. It was
off. What do you call it? It's
          
                  
            1:04:04
          
          
            not off topic, but it's off.
Sucks,
          
                  
            1:04:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: sucks. It sucks. Not
relevant. That's
          
                  
            1:04:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it sucks, not
          
                  
            1:04:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: relevant, not
relevant. All right, so Well,
          
                  
            1:04:15
          
          
            that's enough of that, but let's
stay with the same podcast,
          
                  
            1:04:18
          
          
            because they spent a lot of time
talking about the new deets. The
          
                  
            1:04:22
          
          
            new deets on the case filed
against Trump for January 6. Oh,
          
                  
            1:04:26
          
          
            no, there's new evidence. It's
hard evidence he's going down.
          
                  
            1:04:29
          
          
            Oh, we've got something. We've
got him now. So
          
                  
            1:04:32
          
          
            Unknown: we are in the middle of
a presidential campaign, and we
          
                  
            1:04:34
          
          
            are still getting new details
about Donald Trump's efforts to
          
                  
            1:04:37
          
          
            overturn the last presidential
election, this time in the form
          
                  
            1:04:41
          
          
            of a filing from Special Counsel
Jack Smith. Can you just explain
          
                  
            1:04:44
          
          
            what happened this week? Yeah,
absolutely.
          
                  
            1:04:46
          
          
            There. There were new things to
learn, even though, and of the
          
                  
            1:04:50
          
          
            January 6 committee on Capitol
Hill and many others have been
          
                  
            1:04:53
          
          
            spending a lot of time and
energy digging up details. The
          
                  
            1:04:56
          
          
            difference here is that the
Justice Department and the FBI.
          
                  
            1:05:00
          
          
            Had subpoena power. They could
execute searches, and people
          
                  
            1:05:03
          
          
            felt the need or compelled to
talk, and so we got some new
          
                  
            1:05:06
          
          
            details. Maybe the most
significant to me was on the day
          
                  
            1:05:12
          
          
            of the Capitol riot itself, on
January 6, 2021 the prosecutors
          
                  
            1:05:16
          
          
            asserted that it was Donald
Trump himself who was sitting in
          
                  
            1:05:20
          
          
            a dining room off the Oval
Office watching Fox News and
          
                  
            1:05:25
          
          
            issuing some of the tweets
himself that day. In particular,
          
                  
            1:05:28
          
          
            that tweet around 2:24pm, where
he said his Vice President Mike
          
                  
            1:05:32
          
          
            Pence lacked the courage to do
the right thing. Remember, Trump
          
                  
            1:05:36
          
          
            and others had been leaning on
pence to kind of put a pause on
          
                  
            1:05:39
          
          
            the certification of the
electoral votes, and pence
          
                  
            1:05:41
          
          
            refused. And you know, there was
violence at the capitol that
          
                  
            1:05:45
          
          
            day. Within a minute of Trump's
tweet, Pence had been evacuated
          
                  
            1:05:49
          
          
            by the Secret Service, and then
an aide came rushing in to tell
          
                  
            1:05:53
          
          
            Trump that there was chaos and
danger at the Capitol, including
          
                  
            1:05:57
          
          
            toward Mike Pence. And according
to this new filing, Trump
          
                  
            1:06:00
          
          
            replied, so what? Oh,
          
                  
            1:06:04
          
          
            no.
          
                  
            1:06:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: So this is new
evidence. Throw the book at him.
          
                  
            1:06:10
          
          
            Oh, but wait, there's more.
          
                  
            1:06:11
          
          
            Unknown: So a lot of new detail
here. Additional new detail. The
          
                  
            1:06:16
          
          
            former president allegedly said
to his daughter Ivanka and son
          
                  
            1:06:19
          
          
            in law Jared that the details
about the election really didn't
          
                  
            1:06:23
          
          
            matter, and election fraud
really didn't matter. You've
          
                  
            1:06:27
          
          
            just got to fight like hell. And
so that is new evidence about
          
                  
            1:06:32
          
          
            what Trump said and did on key
days, as well as his state of
          
                  
            1:06:37
          
          
            mind and about his state of mind
          
                  
            1:06:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: these people, I
mean, I'm throwing them out of
          
                  
            1:06:42
          
          
            podcast index. I'm censoring
them, I'm throwing them out.
          
                  
            1:06:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, you could
actually, technically, maybe,
          
                  
            1:06:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: no, technically, I
could do it right now. I won't.
          
                  
            1:06:54
          
          
            They deserve it and so, and I
know you have two, two clips on
          
                  
            1:07:00
          
          
            this, which I think will
probably expand on this general
          
                  
            1:07:04
          
          
            overview, because not only do we
have this damning evidence of
          
                  
            1:07:08
          
          
            Trump saying you've got to fight
like hell and who cares? I mean,
          
                  
            1:07:12
          
          
            oh my god. I mean, we need to
throw him in jail. No, no, but,
          
                  
            1:07:17
          
          
            but that nut job is back.
          
                  
            1:07:19
          
          
            Unknown: Donald Trump's
relationship with Vladimir Putin
          
                  
            1:07:22
          
          
            has been scrutinized since his
2016 bid for President. The
          
                  
            1:07:26
          
          
            Republican leader has long
embraced Putin, whose
          
                  
            1:07:29
          
          
            intelligence policies were found
to have meddled in US elections.
          
                  
            1:07:33
          
          
            Now, a new book by veteran
American journalist Bob Woodward
          
                  
            1:07:37
          
          
            reports further explosive
details on the two men's
          
                  
            1:07:40
          
          
            interactions, first
          
                  
            1:07:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: of all, spook and
second of all explosive details,
          
                  
            1:07:45
          
          
            the
          
                  
            1:07:45
          
          
            Unknown: Opus titled war cites
and the Opus.
          
                  
            1:07:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: What? What is an
opus?
          
                  
            1:07:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What does that
even mean? Like, you know, Ben
          
                  
            1:07:55
          
          
            Hur Yes,
          
                  
            1:07:59
          
          
            Unknown: the Opus titled war
cites an unnamed Trump aide who
          
                  
            1:08:02
          
          
            says the pair had spoken as many
as seven times since Trump left
          
                  
            1:08:06
          
          
            office. The aide also recalls
one instance early this year
          
                  
            1:08:10
          
          
            where they were ordered out of
Trump's office in Mar a Lago so
          
                  
            1:08:13
          
          
            he could take a call with the
Russian president. However, the
          
                  
            1:08:16
          
          
            book also quotes a Trump
campaign official who cast doubt
          
                  
            1:08:20
          
          
            on the supposed contact. Former
presidents often speak with
          
                  
            1:08:23
          
          
            foreign leaders, but it's highly
unusual to talk to a leader of
          
                  
            1:08:27
          
          
            one of the United States
adversaries without first
          
                  
            1:08:30
          
          
            clearing it with the State
Department. The book also
          
                  
            1:08:33
          
          
            alleges Trump sent Putin covid
19 testing equipment for his
          
                  
            1:08:37
          
          
            personal use in 2020 when many
nations were facing shortages.
          
                  
            1:08:41
          
          
            In a statement, the Trump
campaign said these were made up
          
                  
            1:08:44
          
          
            stories and called Woodward a
demented and deranged man. The
          
                  
            1:08:49
          
          
            Kremlin, meanwhile, also denied
the conversations between Trump
          
                  
            1:08:52
          
          
            and Putin. Woodward rose to fame
after he and his colleague Carl
          
                  
            1:08:56
          
          
            Bernstein, exposed the Watergate
scandal, bringing down Richard
          
                  
            1:09:00
          
          
            Nixon, he's written more than 20
books on American politics and
          
                  
            1:09:04
          
          
            current affairs, including 14
bestsellers. What
          
                  
            1:09:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: happened to America?
Man, we used to love people who
          
                  
            1:09:11
          
          
            would do stuff like that. You
just say, I remember Ronald
          
                  
            1:09:15
          
          
            Reagan, he was doing a speech
and something like a gun sound
          
                  
            1:09:18
          
          
            went off, and he went, Oh, you
missed me. I mean, these funny
          
                  
            1:09:21
          
          
            things and oh, now I remember.
Now it's an outrage and so
          
                  
            1:09:26
          
          
            horrible. It's hilarious. We
need,
          
                  
            1:09:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: we need more,
dude, back back to this topic
          
                  
            1:09:33
          
          
            you just broached. I do have a
three by three which covers it.
          
                  
            1:09:37
          
          
            Okay,
          
                  
            1:09:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: so I'm sorry. Here
we go. Now it's time for three
          
                  
            1:09:40
          
          
            by three, yes, experiment by
successful experiment, comparing
          
                  
            1:09:45
          
          
            stories from ABC, CBS and NBC,
lot of people get real happy
          
                  
            1:09:52
          
          
            when they hear that. Music, oh
yes, it's a three by music. It's
          
                  
            1:09:55
          
          
            happy. Music, yes, we have a
three by three of this topic,
          
                  
            1:09:58
          
          
            this is interesting
          
                  
            1:09:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: now. We heard,
yeah, I thought I was this
          
                  
            1:10:02
          
          
            again, Steve sent us in. So I
will say the first clip, owner
          
                  
            1:10:08
          
          
            plays ABC. Now you heard the
part where, I guess Trump sent
          
                  
            1:10:12
          
          
            over a piece of gear to to
Putin,
          
                  
            1:10:16
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah, like, like,
one of the one of those free
          
                  
            1:10:19
          
          
            testing kits. You got four No,
no.
          
                  
            1:10:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: He said, This
gear you were talking about.
          
                  
            1:10:23
          
          
            What do you think that was
          
                  
            1:10:25
          
          
            Adam Curry: free testing? Kids,
it would have to
          
                  
            1:10:27
          
          
            John C Dvorak: be a PCR testing
module. It has to be some sort
          
                  
            1:10:32
          
          
            of, you know, equipment, right?
Well, you're
          
                  
            1:10:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: gonna spin it up,
okay. Well, I
          
                  
            1:10:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: guess I mean,
what else would it be? They're
          
                  
            1:10:38
          
          
            good. In this clip, Kamala
Harris is brought into the
          
                  
            1:10:44
          
          
            convention moan, and she she
makes it sound as if, because I
          
                  
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            think she thinks this, that what
Trump did, and he listened
          
                  
            1:10:53
          
          
            between the lines, he didn't
say, no, no, it wasn't some PCR
          
                  
            1:10:57
          
          
            gear. It was a bunch of kits.
Yes, you're those three kids
          
                  
            1:11:02
          
          
            that you get four, four
household, 100 of them.
          
                  
            1:11:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: Trump probably had
amongst his 17 grandchild, and
          
                  
            1:11:10
          
          
            he probably had, you know, about
100 so he probably sent here
          
                  
            1:11:13
          
          
            Senator Vlad DHL.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: But we have to,
we're assuming it was a PCR
          
                  
            1:11:21
          
          
            gear. It wasn't a bunch of boxes
of cheap tests that don't do
          
                  
            1:11:25
          
          
            anything. But let's listen to
this. As the covid pandemic was
          
                  
            1:11:30
          
          
            raging and the government could
not produce enough tests for the
          
                  
            1:11:32
          
          
            American people, then President
Donald Trump secretly sent rare
          
                  
            1:11:37
          
          
            covid test machines to Russia to
Vladimir's dictator's personal
          
                  
            1:11:42
          
          
            use. That's according to Bob
Woodward in a soon to be
          
                  
            1:11:46
          
          
            published book called War,
Woodward writes that Putin told
          
                  
            1:11:49
          
          
            Trump to keep it a secret,
saying quote, I don't want you
          
                  
            1:11:53
          
          
            to tell anybody, because people
will get mad at you, not me.
          
                  
            1:11:56
          
          
            Kamala Harris seized on
Woodward's new reporting today,
          
                  
            1:11:59
          
          
            talking about it in an interview
with Howard Stern, everybody was
          
                  
            1:12:03
          
          
            Unknown: scrambling to get these
kits, the tests, the covid test
          
                  
            1:12:08
          
          
            kits, couldn't get them,
couldn't get them, couldn't get
          
                  
            1:12:10
          
          
            them anywhere. Howard
          
                  
            1:12:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Stern had 1000 of
them, hypochondriac and
          
                  
            1:12:15
          
          
            Unknown: this guy who was
president of the United States,
          
                  
            1:12:18
          
          
            is sending them to Russia, to a
murderous dictator for his
          
                  
            1:12:21
          
          
            personal use, this person who
wants to be president again, who
          
                  
            1:12:26
          
          
            secretly is helping out an
adversary when the American
          
                  
            1:12:32
          
          
            people are dying by the hundreds
every day and in need of relief,
          
                  
            1:12:37
          
          
            Trump also had some choice words
for Woodward, calling him a
          
                  
            1:12:41
          
          
            storyteller who, quote, lost his
marbles. Woodward, though, is
          
                  
            1:12:46
          
          
            one of the most respected
journalists of our times. And as
          
                  
            1:12:49
          
          
            you know, David Trump has
frequently praised Vladimir
          
                  
            1:12:52
          
          
            Putin and boasted about having a
good relationship with the
          
                  
            1:12:56
          
          
            Russian dictator.
          
                  
            1:12:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: You know, we don't
talk about this enough, but I
          
                  
            1:13:00
          
          
            gotta blow I gotta blow taps for
Howard Stern. What happened to
          
                  
            1:13:05
          
          
            Howard Stern, the king of all
media, The Man Who Would he was
          
                  
            1:13:09
          
          
            fighting the man fighting the
FCC, fighting the government.
          
                  
            1:13:13
          
          
            What happened? What do they have
on him? How did this? How did
          
                  
            1:13:18
          
          
            this happen that he became a
photo. What's that in your
          
                  
            1:13:22
          
          
            mouth? Howard? Now it's, it is,
it's sad. I, I used to love
          
                  
            1:13:31
          
          
            driving into New York from
Jersey for years at the Lincoln
          
                  
            1:13:36
          
          
            Tunnel, sitting there. Now, at
least Howard's on when it was
          
                  
            1:13:39
          
          
            best of Stern, we were still
happy, and now it's just what
          
                  
            1:13:44
          
          
            has gone wrong.
          
                  
            1:13:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, you're not
the only one that's mystified by
          
                  
            1:13:49
          
          
            this. No, it was very let's go
with the second, the second of
          
                  
            1:13:55
          
          
            the three, three by three. So we
go with, let's go to CBS
          
                  
            1:13:58
          
          
            Unknown: during the early days
of the pandemic in 2020 then
          
                  
            1:14:01
          
          
            President Donald Trump sent
Russian President Vladimir Putin
          
                  
            1:14:05
          
          
            covid 19 test machines.
According to the new book War by
          
                  
            1:14:09
          
          
            Bob Woodward, Vice President
Kamala Harris responded today
          
                  
            1:14:12
          
          
            during an interview with Howard
Stern, everybody
          
                  
            1:14:15
          
          
            was scrambling to get these
kits, the tests, the covid test
          
                  
            1:14:20
          
          
            kits, couldn't get them,
couldn't get them, couldn't get
          
                  
            1:14:22
          
          
            them anywhere, right? This guy
who was president of the United
          
                  
            1:14:26
          
          
            States is sending them to Russia
to a murderous dictator for his
          
                  
            1:14:30
          
          
            personal use.
          
                  
            1:14:31
          
          
            Even after he left office, Trump
stayed in touch with the Russian
          
                  
            1:14:34
          
          
            leader. According to Woodward,
he cites an unidentified Trump
          
                  
            1:14:37
          
          
            aide who said the former
president had as many as seven
          
                  
            1:14:40
          
          
            private calls with Putin, even
one early this year, when Trump
          
                  
            1:14:43
          
          
            was urging Republicans to block
additional aid to Ukraine in its
          
                  
            1:14:47
          
          
            fight against Russia, the newly
revealed contacts raised
          
                  
            1:14:50
          
          
            additional questions about
Trump's relationship with Putin
          
                  
            1:14:53
          
          
            in the recent presidential
debate, Trump twice refused to
          
                  
            1:14:55
          
          
            say who he wanted to prevail in
the war with Ukraine. Do
          
                  
            1:14:58
          
          
            you want Ukraine? Time to win
this war.
          
                  
            1:15:01
          
          
            I want the war to stop. The
          
                  
            1:15:03
          
          
            vice president told 60 minutes
Trump would have allowed Putin
          
                  
            1:15:06
          
          
            to conquer Ukraine.
          
                  
            1:15:07
          
          
            Donald Trump, if he were
president, Putin would be
          
                  
            1:15:11
          
          
            sitting in Kyiv right now. He
talks about, oh, he can end it
          
                  
            1:15:15
          
          
            on day one. You know what that
is. It's about surrender.
          
                  
            1:15:18
          
          
            Woodward,
          
                  
            1:15:19
          
          
            who rose to fame investigating
Watergate writes in the book,
          
                  
            1:15:22
          
          
            Trump was far worse than Richard
Nixon, a Trump spokesman
          
                  
            1:15:25
          
          
            responded saying Woodward's
reporting is not true and that
          
                  
            1:15:28
          
          
            Trump gave Woodward absolutely
no access
          
                  
            1:15:34
          
          
            hit job.
          
                  
            1:15:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Now a couple of
things about this, and the other
          
                  
            1:15:37
          
          
            one is that neither report
mentions the fact that they talk
          
                  
            1:15:42
          
          
            about machines, covid, PCR,
machines are here. They said it
          
                  
            1:15:46
          
          
            here in this report. No, they
said it was machines. But they
          
                  
            1:15:49
          
          
            never make the point that she's
talking about test kits, kits.
          
                  
            1:15:53
          
          
            Yeah, by the way, clear that
this machines are not test kits.
          
                  
            1:15:58
          
          
            Yet they play her talking about
test kits with no clarification
          
                  
            1:16:02
          
          
            whatsoever. I have some clips
later in the show, if we get to
          
                  
            1:16:05
          
          
            them, about some of the science
reporting on NPR, doing the same
          
                  
            1:16:08
          
          
            kind of thing, leaving out
details that are necessary for
          
                  
            1:16:11
          
          
            understanding. Leaving out
details that are necessary for
          
                  
            1:16:15
          
          
            understanding is what these
networks are doing. And they're
          
                  
            1:16:19
          
          
            doing a they're doing a
disservice to the American
          
                  
            1:16:22
          
          
            public with this sort of
reporting just I it's just
          
                  
            1:16:25
          
          
            beyond me What What I know is
going on. So I'm
          
                  
            1:16:30
          
          
            Adam Curry: looking for an
excerpt in war would this is
          
                  
            1:16:34
          
          
            from BBC in war. Woodward writes
that while the former president
          
                  
            1:16:38
          
          
            was in office, Trump secretly
sent Putin a bunch of Abbott
          
                  
            1:16:41
          
          
            point of care covid test
machines for his personal use.
          
                  
            1:16:47
          
          
            So that is what was written in
the book. So Harris is
          
                  
            1:16:53
          
          
            completely nuts when she's
talking about the test kits. And
          
                  
            1:16:57
          
          
            have you noticed that Howard's
voice is lighter like he's he
          
                  
            1:17:00
          
          
            does. He does. He talks a little
more in the front of his mouth.
          
                  
            1:17:02
          
          
            He doesn't have that throaty
          
                  
            1:17:04
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I didn't know
this is but you would, yeah. All
          
                  
            1:17:06
          
          
            right, let's play the last of
the three, which will be NBC
          
                  
            1:17:11
          
          
            Unknown: tonight in her ongoing
media blitz. Vice President
          
                  
            1:17:14
          
          
            Harris telling ABC she wouldn't
change anything President Biden
          
                  
            1:17:17
          
          
            did.
          
                  
            1:17:18
          
          
            Would you have done something
differently than President Biden
          
                  
            1:17:21
          
          
            during the past four years.
          
                  
            1:17:24
          
          
            There is Donna thing that comes
to mind in terms of, and I've
          
                  
            1:17:27
          
          
            been, I think
          
                  
            1:17:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: she lost the
election on this. I think this
          
                  
            1:17:32
          
          
            was the this was the loser. When
you say this, nothing comes to
          
                  
            1:17:37
          
          
            mind, yeah,
          
                  
            1:17:39
          
          
            John C Dvorak: and there's
plenty that just there was wide
          
                  
            1:17:42
          
          
            days. It was a softball that
Sonny horses had to literally
          
                  
            1:17:46
          
          
            read from a sheet. Yes,
          
                  
            1:17:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: this was the, I
think this is the election
          
                  
            1:17:51
          
          
            losing answer, right? There
          
                  
            1:17:53
          
          
            Unknown: is not a thing that
comes to mind in terms of, and
          
                  
            1:17:56
          
          
            I've been a part of, most of the
decisions that have had impact
          
                  
            1:18:01
          
          
            later, saying she would name a
Republican to her cabinet,
          
                  
            1:18:04
          
          
            former President Trump slamming
the response, calling it quote
          
                  
            1:18:07
          
          
            her dumbest answer so far, and
Biden the worst president in
          
                  
            1:18:10
          
          
            history. Meanwhile, Washington
Post reporter Bob Woodward
          
                  
            1:18:13
          
          
            writes in a new book that former
President Trump secretly sent
          
                  
            1:18:17
          
          
            Russian President Putin covid
tests for his personal use in
          
                  
            1:18:20
          
          
            2020 please don't tell anybody
you sent these to me. Woodward
          
                  
            1:18:24
          
          
            says Putin told Trump I don't
care. Trump replied, fine.
          
                  
            1:18:28
          
          
            Woodward citing an unnamed aide
who claims Trump may have spoken
          
                  
            1:18:31
          
          
            to Putin as many as seven times
since leaving the White House.
          
                  
            1:18:35
          
          
            NBC News has not confirmed
Woodward's reporting. The Trump
          
                  
            1:18:39
          
          
            campaign responding in part,
quote, none of these made up
          
                  
            1:18:41
          
          
            stories by Bob Woodward are
true. Harris slamming Trump
          
                  
            1:18:45
          
          
            today,
          
                  
            1:18:46
          
          
            everybody was scrambling to get
these kits, the tests. This guy
          
                  
            1:18:51
          
          
            who was president of the United
States, is sending them to
          
                  
            1:18:53
          
          
            Russia, to a murderous dictator
for his personal use. Brother
          
                  
            1:19:00
          
          
            John C Dvorak: NBC did the worst
job of it, because they didn't
          
                  
            1:19:02
          
          
            even indicate that it was a
machine, no, which you easily
          
                  
            1:19:07
          
          
            noted. It took you all of two
seconds to read from the from
          
                  
            1:19:11
          
          
            BBC document from
          
                  
            1:19:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: the book. Oh, gee,
there's
          
                  
            1:19:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: like these guys
even made it sound as though it
          
                  
            1:19:18
          
          
            was test kits. NBC did so they
could that would would normalize
          
                  
            1:19:22
          
          
            what it would make it more
sense. It would normalize what
          
                  
            1:19:25
          
          
            Harris said, Good point by by
soft pedaling, what it really
          
                  
            1:19:29
          
          
            was good. This is the kind of
NBC is going off the deep end. I
          
                  
            1:19:33
          
          
            blame Comcast. I blame does
Brian L Roberts guy? The guy was
          
                  
            1:19:37
          
          
            the CEO. Somebody should call
him out. Okay, well,
          
                  
            1:19:43
          
          
            Adam Curry: might as well be
you, because no one else is
          
                  
            1:19:45
          
          
            listening. Call him out. This is
another problem we can't do more
          
                  
            1:19:50
          
          
            than four more years. It's not
going to be any media left to
          
                  
            1:19:54
          
          
            deconstruct. We'll just be
talking about podcasts.
          
                  
            1:19:57
          
          
            John C Dvorak: That's the way
it's headed. Yeah, I. All
          
                  
            1:20:00
          
          
            Adam Curry: right, before we
take a break, there was one
          
                  
            1:20:02
          
          
            interesting piece of news about
Tina Peters Tina Peters day is
          
                  
            1:20:08
          
          
            her name. She was the she was
overseeing the election in Mesa,
          
                  
            1:20:13
          
          
            Arizona, and she took issue with
the voting machines. Now, when
          
                  
            1:20:20
          
          
            you hear this story, what she
what she really got convicted
          
                  
            1:20:24
          
          
            for, is for allowing an
unauthorized person to take a
          
                  
            1:20:30
          
          
            look at the machines. And
there's a whole bunch of other
          
                  
            1:20:32
          
          
            stuff. There was screenshots
where everybody could see it was
          
                  
            1:20:35
          
          
            near the password was one,
password, 123, and stuff like
          
                  
            1:20:39
          
          
            that, which is important
information for people, but they
          
                  
            1:20:43
          
          
            threw the book at her. Elections
          
                  
            1:20:45
          
          
            Unknown: have consequences, and
so does breaking the law in
          
                  
            1:20:49
          
          
            search of election rigging. Tina
Peters sentenced today to nine
          
                  
            1:20:53
          
          
            years in her election tampering
case. Colorado's best known
          
                  
            1:20:56
          
          
            election denier, the former Mesa
County Clerk, was defiant till
          
                  
            1:21:00
          
          
            the end, arguing with the judge
at sentencing and bringing in a
          
                  
            1:21:03
          
          
            parade of fellow election
conspiracy theorists to defend
          
                  
            1:21:06
          
          
            her. Our Mark Salinger was in
court in Grand Junction where
          
                  
            1:21:09
          
          
            Peters laughed at prosecutors,
lectured the judge, then was led
          
                  
            1:21:14
          
          
            away in handcuffs. Tina Peters
is a hero to the people who
          
                  
            1:21:18
          
          
            believe her lies, but inside
this courthouse, those same lies
          
                  
            1:21:22
          
          
            made her a felon. You are a
charlatan, and you cannot help
          
                  
            1:21:26
          
          
            but lie as easy it is for you to
breathe, a reckoning happened
          
                  
            1:21:29
          
          
            today in judge Matthew Barrett's
courtroom. For nearly 30
          
                  
            1:21:33
          
          
            minutes, speaking directly to
Peters, he made it clear that
          
                  
            1:21:36
          
          
            words have consequences and lies
lead to prison sentences. Prison
          
                  
            1:21:41
          
          
            is for those folks, where we
send people who are a danger to
          
                  
            1:21:44
          
          
            all of us, whether it by be by
the pen or the sword or the word
          
                  
            1:21:49
          
          
            of the mouth, prison is where
folks go, where punishment is
          
                  
            1:21:53
          
          
            what we're focused on, because
the crime committed is so
          
                  
            1:21:57
          
          
            significant that anything less
would unduly mitigate the
          
                  
            1:22:01
          
          
            seriousness of the same Peters
granted conspiracy theorists
          
                  
            1:22:04
          
          
            illegal access to voting systems
in our county as she searched
          
                  
            1:22:08
          
          
            for proof of voter fraud, even
to this day, after finding no
          
                  
            1:22:11
          
          
            proof of fraud, she maintains
the election was stolen from
          
                  
            1:22:15
          
          
            Donald Trump, and told the court
She did nothing wrong. So
          
                  
            1:22:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: okay, so you threw
the book at her, because she
          
                  
            1:22:22
          
          
            after the election. By the way,
after all the election was said
          
                  
            1:22:26
          
          
            and done, she lets in computer
experts, now known as conspiracy
          
                  
            1:22:31
          
          
            theorists, to take a look at
these machines, and then in the
          
                  
            1:22:35
          
          
            courtroom, the judge is making
it sound like, Oh, if you're a
          
                  
            1:22:39
          
          
            danger, if you say things that
aren't true. He was really
          
                  
            1:22:44
          
          
            making a big deal out of all,
you lie, you lie. So we're
          
                  
            1:22:48
          
          
            throwing you in jail for nine
years. This, this is something
          
                  
            1:22:53
          
          
            that actually kind of worries
me. Yes,
          
                  
            1:22:57
          
          
            John C Dvorak: this is
worrisome. Yes, it's very
          
                  
            1:22:59
          
          
            worrisome. She was sincere?
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't that she
          
                  
            1:23:04
          
          
            was and what did she lie about?
What?
          
                  
            1:23:08
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, because there
was supposedly no proof,
          
                  
            1:23:12
          
          
            whatever. Therefore she lied.
Therefore throw her in jail. But
          
                  
            1:23:15
          
          
            there. But the real charge is
that she allowed unauthorized
          
                  
            1:23:19
          
          
            access to these voting machines.
Yeah, after the fact, hey, I
          
                  
            1:23:22
          
          
            know, I know these are
          
                  
            1:23:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: these.
Something's up with Arizona.
          
                  
            1:23:27
          
          
            Yes, they stay away. Wasn't
really about her. This was about
          
                  
            1:23:31
          
          
            anyone else who thinks they're
gonna
          
                  
            1:23:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: poke around. Yeah,
don't do anything with with
          
                  
            1:23:36
          
          
            those
          
                  
            1:23:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: you're gonna poke
around our area. Forget it.
          
                  
            1:23:39
          
          
            Arizona's notorious for this
sort of thing, yeah, on both
          
                  
            1:23:42
          
          
            sides of the of the political
spectrum. And
          
                  
            1:23:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: with that, I'd like
to thank you for your courage.
          
                  
            1:23:49
          
          
            Say in the morning to you, the
man who put the C in the covid
          
                  
            1:23:51
          
          
            testing machine sent to Putin
Hey. Say hello to my friend on
          
                  
            1:23:54
          
          
            the other end, the one only, Mr.
Jones in the
          
                  
            1:24:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: morning, to you,
Mr. McCurry, in the morning
          
                  
            1:24:03
          
          
            should see boots and graffiti
the air subs in the water dais
          
                  
            1:24:05
          
          
            out there. Hello.
          
                  
            1:24:13
          
          
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troll room.
          
                  
            1:24:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: It's good. The
average should be 1800 Okay, so
          
                  
            1:24:19
          
          
            Adam Curry: we're doing welcome
Thursday. 100 extra trolls.
          
                  
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Welcome. Good to have you here.
          
                  
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modern podcast app. Get
          
                  
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            one@podcastapps.com I've been
using podcast guru like it a
          
                  
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            lot. You get, you get this early
notification. Well, first of
          
                  
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            all, you can listen to the live
shows right there in the app. So
          
                  
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            you subscribe to no agenda, the
podcast. When there's a new
          
                  
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            episode within 90 seconds of us
publishing it, boom, it shows
          
                  
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            up. You get alerted. But when we
go live even with, let's just
          
                  
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            say, let's just say we had, we
decided we had to do an
          
                  
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            emergency pod. It's never
happened and never will, but
          
                  
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            let's just say we decided I
called you up, John. Hey, John,
          
                  
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            I think we should do an
emergency pod. Emergency pod.
          
                  
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            This is such big news. Got an
emergency pod? Can you name an
          
                  
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            instance where we do an
emergency pod? No, not me,
          
                  
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            neither. I can't think of a
single thing would have to do an
          
                  
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            emergency pod. I
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: don't even if
Florida, for example, broke off
          
                  
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            and fell into the ocean.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Well, if California
broke off, I'd be calling for
          
                  
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            me. No, no, no, no. Unless
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I get Starlink,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: you better get one
for that emergency pod moment.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: So regardless of
you have Starlink, you
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: should so regardless
of when we start, you get alert,
          
                  
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            and then you click on it, boom,
you're listening, it's perfect.
          
                  
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            And there's all kinds of extra
bonus bits. You get transcripts,
          
                  
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            so you can search in the
transcript, which is very handy.
          
                  
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            Like, yeah, what were the boys
talking about? Yep, you go to
          
                  
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            the transcript search, boom,
click. It plays right there.
          
                  
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            It's very it's very handy. In
addition to that, you get things
          
                  
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            like our chapters, so you can
skip around or skip forwards.
          
                  
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            Best skip backwards with great
art. So a lot of the art that we
          
                  
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            use there comes from our art.
Most of it comes from our Art
          
                  
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            Generator, from our artists.
Thank you very much, Dr Scott
          
                  
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            for doing that, and that's part
of the value for value model. We
          
                  
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            have producers all around the
world. Brian of London sent me
          
                  
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            this clip. I didn't clip it. It
was a guy on LBC, and he was
          
                  
            1:27:05
          
          
            bitching and moaning how he
can't even get one jingle, even
          
                  
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            a sound effect. That can't even
get a sound effect from this
          
                  
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            company,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: and LBC won't
provide him with that stuff.
          
                  
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            Well, he
          
                  
            1:27:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: says it takes 11
weeks. It's got to be, you know,
          
                  
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            got to go through community,
legal,
          
                  
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            Unknown: legal, it's got to go
through legal. Always go through
          
                  
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            legal. And
          
                  
            1:27:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: meanwhile, if I
said, Hey, give me a sound
          
                  
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            effect of X, Y or Z, it would be
sent to me within five minutes.
          
                  
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            I'd have it
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: at habit. One,
you're kidding. You get a dozen
          
                  
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            even,
          
                  
            1:27:33
          
          
            Adam Curry: yes, exactly,
exactly. And that's because
          
                  
            1:27:36
          
          
            everyone is a producer of this
show. No one's just a casual,
          
                  
            1:27:39
          
          
            haphazard listener. Know you're
a producer, and is your
          
                  
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            responsibility when that topic
comes up, that one thing that
          
                  
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            you're an expert in, you have to
let us know about it, like the
          
                  
            1:27:47
          
          
            weather modification guy. I
mean, that's it's amazing that
          
                  
            1:27:51
          
          
            we have these people in our in
our listening audience, and we
          
                  
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            also have people in the national
it's
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: actually kind of
stunning. Well, it's a big
          
                  
            1:27:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: club, and you're in.
If I
          
                  
            1:28:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: get to my science
clips, there's a there's a
          
                  
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            couple of things in there where
I'm gonna actually request, oh,
          
                  
            1:28:06
          
          
            good, some clarification from
people that are experts. Good.
          
                  
            1:28:10
          
          
            We'll do
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: it right after,
right after we're done, thanking
          
                  
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            our our value for value
supporters. It's time, talent
          
                  
            1:28:16
          
          
            and treasure. And we start with
the artwork that we chose for
          
                  
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            episode 1701, we titled that
dork Maga. I was on one hand,
          
                  
            1:28:27
          
          
            shocked on the other hand, kind
of mortified that I heard Kara
          
                  
            1:28:32
          
          
            Swisher calling Elon Musk. Dork
Maga. Did we? Did she hear that
          
                  
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            from us? Or did we somehow just
catch on to some kind. I
          
                  
            1:28:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: think we're in
the same way. Oh no, we, we were
          
                  
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            on the same wavelength as Kara.
That's
          
                  
            1:28:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: not good. That's
kind of disappointing. But when
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: he said, when he
said, dark, mega, the first
          
                  
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            thing, I thought it was Darth
Magna, because I thought was
          
                  
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            funnier, Maga, and then dork use
I think you said dork.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I said, dork Maga,
yeah, dork Meg, I
          
                  
            1:29:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: wrote it down
immediately. And so you and Kara
          
                  
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            are on the same wave.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: This is bad thing.
This
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: is bad. That's
why you listen to her. I must
          
                  
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            repent you actually have a crush
on her.
          
                  
            1:29:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh yeah, that's it.
Uh huh, yeah, that would be it.
          
                  
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            Right on. This was art which had
a DNA strand. It was it was
          
                  
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            okay. We were happy with it. We
felt the choices weren't all
          
                  
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            that. It was
          
                  
            1:29:26
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a fallback piece.
Let's
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: be honest. Tan
Staffel tonstaffel, who I don't
          
                  
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            know if this is, is this
someone's nickname or I don't
          
                  
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            know who is it? That's not tanta
Neal, it's Tom Stoffel. I
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: don't let
somebody new. It's not that. No,
          
                  
            1:29:44
          
          
            no, it's not new.
          
                  
            1:29:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think they've been
around. Well, no, not
          
                  
            1:29:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: long. First art
was submitted for episode 61
          
                  
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            you're
          
                  
            1:29:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: right, you're right,
but he's done
          
                  
            1:29:55
          
          
            John C Dvorak: good work, he
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: or she, he or she,
yes, a
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: lot of good.
Evergreen pieces, yeah, and it
          
                  
            1:30:03
          
          
            must be a she, because if you
look at the logo of the tons, so
          
                  
            1:30:07
          
          
            it's a girls, okay, well, then
she was for four months. She
          
                  
            1:30:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: must be a Dutch
Master.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I we
          
                  
            1:30:16
          
          
            Adam Curry: uncovered a new
Dutch master. Now we didn't make
          
                  
            1:30:18
          
          
            it easy for everybody, because
we said, hey, you can't do any
          
                  
            1:30:23
          
          
            Star Trek stuff. And I think a
lot of people had Star Trek
          
                  
            1:30:25
          
          
            stuff in mind, because it was
episode 1701, starship 1701 USS,
          
                  
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            Starship Enterprise. And I think
they got bummed out, and a
          
                  
            1:30:35
          
          
            couple still did it. Of course.
I think no one had ideas. You
          
                  
            1:30:38
          
          
            kind of liked the dog TV from
Dame Kenny Ben.
          
                  
            1:30:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I did like it,
but it was simplistic looking.
          
                  
            1:30:45
          
          
            Because if the dogs are more
dimensional, I think It'd have
          
                  
            1:30:47
          
          
            been better and you would have
liked it. You hated it. But
          
                  
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            okay,
          
                  
            1:30:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah, there you go.
I hated it. So, yeah, so we
          
                  
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            didn't really have such a great
selection. Nose, little ham
          
                  
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            radio, by the way, I just like
to mention so many people I
          
                  
            1:31:04
          
          
            don't know about you. Are they
probably not emailing you
          
                  
            1:31:06
          
          
            because they can't spell your
last name, but they've been
          
                  
            1:31:11
          
          
            emailing me, hey, what radio
should I get? About a ham radio?
          
                  
            1:31:15
          
          
            I
          
                  
            1:31:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: got a couple of
those, but not too many. And
          
                  
            1:31:17
          
          
            Adam Curry: I would just like to
suggest that everybody we've
          
                  
            1:31:20
          
          
            been doing this for over a
decade. I think,
          
                  
            1:31:23
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I think you're
but wait, but your best line is,
          
                  
            1:31:25
          
          
            wait, get a license. Yes, radio,
yeah,
          
                  
            1:31:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: that's about what
I'm what I'm about to say, get a
          
                  
            1:31:30
          
          
            license, not just because you
need to be licensed. And
          
                  
            1:31:34
          
          
            actually, in an emergency,
anybody can use these things.
          
                  
            1:31:37
          
          
            You know, the license deal is
not a big deal, but you go to
          
                  
            1:31:42
          
          
            arrl.org, you find out where
they're testing. They do it once
          
                  
            1:31:46
          
          
            a month. Just to reiterate, all
the questions for the test are
          
                  
            1:31:51
          
          
            published with the answers they
won't ask you all the questions,
          
                  
            1:31:54
          
          
            but all the questions they ask
you will have the exact same
          
                  
            1:31:57
          
          
            answers, multiple choice, just
in a different order, so you can
          
                  
            1:31:59
          
          
            memorize but you need, you
actually need to to do this to
          
                  
            1:32:05
          
          
            figure out how this stuff works.
Because, you know, repeater
          
                  
            1:32:09
          
          
            offsets and little things, just
little tips and tricks you need
          
                  
            1:32:12
          
          
            to know in order to function
properly. Certainly on these two
          
                  
            1:32:16
          
          
            meter or 70 centimeter ham ham
bands, you need to hook up with
          
                  
            1:32:20
          
          
            some people. So don't just think
I can get a radio and then
          
                  
            1:32:24
          
          
            Breaker, breaker, good buddy, Is
this thing on? Because it takes,
          
                  
            1:32:28
          
          
            Unknown: it's
          
                  
            1:32:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: not the Italian
guys, the span of security X,
          
                  
            1:32:35
          
          
            security X, the hams are all
laughing now, trust me, now,
          
                  
            1:32:43
          
          
            yes,
          
                  
            1:32:43
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it sounds like
Mexican radio.
          
                  
            1:32:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: Just do that. You
will not regret it. And it's,
          
                  
            1:32:50
          
          
            it's easy, and it'll cost you a
total of 60 bucks to get it to
          
                  
            1:32:54
          
          
            radius. By the way, that's with
the radio. You know, 60 bucks
          
                  
            1:32:57
          
          
            with the radio
          
                  
            1:32:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: box is high.
Well, you looked at the prices
          
                  
            1:33:01
          
          
            recently. Well, they
          
                  
            1:33:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: got some really
spiffy the bow thing, things,
          
                  
            1:33:04
          
          
            you know, they're about things
for 60 bucks, yeah, but you
          
                  
            1:33:08
          
          
            want, okay, yeah, you can get a
lot of gear and and even
          
                  
            1:33:13
          
          
            programming them is easy with
some software, but just get into
          
                  
            1:33:16
          
          
            it. Spend a weekend, get into
it. It's worth it. You will not
          
                  
            1:33:19
          
          
            regret it. You will not
          
                  
            1:33:20
          
          
            John C Dvorak: regret it. And
you got a handy license you can
          
                  
            1:33:22
          
          
            frame, yes,
          
                  
            1:33:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah. You can frame
your handy license, yeah, right
          
                  
            1:33:27
          
          
            next to your Commodore ship,
next
          
                  
            1:33:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to your Commodore
ship, next to your PhD next
          
                  
            1:33:33
          
          
            year, your diploma from
community college and the
          
                  
            1:33:36
          
          
            university. Whatever you got, I
have my
          
                  
            1:33:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: Connecticut School
of broadcasting diploma. Very
          
                  
            1:33:44
          
          
            proud of that
          
                  
            1:33:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: good they're very
proud of that long since
          
                  
            1:33:49
          
          
            defunct, yes,
          
                  
            1:33:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: but I still have
one. So thank you, tan Staffel.
          
                  
            1:33:56
          
          
            Tan Staffel, for the artwork. No
agenda, Art generator.com. You
          
                  
            1:34:00
          
          
            can participate. It's open for
anybody to participate. You
          
                  
            1:34:03
          
          
            don't have to be good. You can
do whatever you want. And if you
          
                  
            1:34:06
          
          
            want to upload AI art, that's
fine. I'm changing my tune. I
          
                  
            1:34:10
          
          
            want as much AI slop on social
networks. I want the everything
          
                  
            1:34:15
          
          
            flooded on the internet with
nonsense AI stuff to make it
          
                  
            1:34:19
          
          
            unusable and unattractive,
particularly social networks. So
          
                  
            1:34:22
          
          
            upload all your art to the
social networks so it can be re
          
                  
            1:34:25
          
          
            ingested, and slop will be the
result, so we can kill this off
          
                  
            1:34:30
          
          
            now to thank our executive and
Associate Executive producers
          
                  
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            who sent in some treasure. We
love the treasure because that
          
                  
            1:34:37
          
          
            pays our bills, keeps us going
with the show 17 years october
          
                  
            1:34:42
          
          
            26 any amount is is good.
Anytime you want to send it for
          
                  
            1:34:46
          
          
            any reason, just send back the
value you got from the show, and
          
                  
            1:34:50
          
          
            that value can only be
determined by you. For some,
          
                  
            1:34:52
          
          
            that's more. For some, that's
less. Amount wise, but doesn't
          
                  
            1:34:56
          
          
            mean it's any less valuable to
you. That's what's so beautiful
          
                  
            1:34:58
          
          
            about it. You can even. Do
sustaining donations, any
          
                  
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            amount, at any time, any
interval, no agenda,
          
                  
            1:35:04
          
          
            donations.com and we will kick
it off today with our top
          
                  
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            executive producer. The way that
works is $200 and above, you're
          
                  
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            an Associate Executive Producer.
Credit that is real can be used
          
                  
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            anywhere. Credits are
recognized, including imdb.com,
          
                  
            1:35:18
          
          
            $300 and above, executive
producer, and we read your note
          
                  
            1:35:21
          
          
            as well. So Captain Luke from
Rohnert Park, California, comes
          
                  
            1:35:25
          
          
            in with $1,000 and he says, Hi,
John and Adam, Captain Luke
          
                  
            1:35:31
          
          
            Knight of the Barbary Coast.
Here, when John cleans out his
          
                  
            1:35:36
          
          
            PO Box, he should find my first
donation check of $1,000 that
          
                  
            1:35:41
          
          
            both bumps me up to Baron and
gets me, gets me a bonus boat
          
                  
            1:35:45
          
          
            driver title. That's right,
Commodore boat driver title. So
          
                  
            1:35:50
          
          
            henceforth I should be known as
Captain Luke Barron of Sonoma
          
                  
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            County and commodore of all
coastal and riverine operations
          
                  
            1:35:58
          
          
            therein. And he would like to
request old casbier and Al tazaj
          
                  
            1:36:03
          
          
            Chicken. What is that? Altaz?
Are you familiar with that? That
          
                  
            1:36:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: is, I believe,
the chicken that everyone talks
          
                  
            1:36:10
          
          
            about that's made at their chain
of restaurants in Saudi Arabia.
          
                  
            1:36:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: Did you guys get
that? Oh, did they say they got
          
                  
            1:36:19
          
          
            it? I don't know how they got
that, but they got it in
          
                  
            1:36:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Okay, so the
recipe is available. You can
          
                  
            1:36:23
          
          
            copy it. Oh, I
          
                  
            1:36:23
          
          
            Adam Curry: don't think they
made it. I think they flew it.
          
                  
            1:36:25
          
          
            It's
          
                  
            1:36:25
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a it's a lure.
It's a long,
          
                  
            1:36:27
          
          
            Unknown: uh,
          
                  
            1:36:28
          
          
            John C Dvorak: soaked, uh brined
chicken that's in season this or
          
                  
            1:36:32
          
          
            very everybody brags. Everybody
who's ever had this chicken, if
          
                  
            1:36:35
          
          
            it's saying, what I'm thinking
of goes on and on and on about
          
                  
            1:36:38
          
          
            how fabulous it is. Well,
          
                  
            1:36:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: we'll be trying it
later on at the round table when
          
                  
            1:36:42
          
          
            we give you your title upgrade.
No jingles, but I need an F
          
                  
            1:36:45
          
          
            cancer for my son in law and
special F glaucoma, glaucoma
          
                  
            1:36:49
          
          
            karma for my sister. That's
horrible. Thank you for your
          
                  
            1:36:53
          
          
            courage. Says Captain Luke. And
so we'll roll out a double for
          
                  
            1:36:57
          
          
            them.
          
                  
            1:37:02
          
          
            Unknown: You've got karma.
You've got karma.
          
                  
            1:37:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Remind Captain
Luke and everyone else that's on
          
                  
            1:37:12
          
          
            this list that you get your
Commodore ship documents. You
          
                  
            1:37:18
          
          
            are document you go to no agenda
rings.com, and fill out the form
          
                  
            1:37:23
          
          
            so it gets sent to the right
place with the right title. Just
          
                  
            1:37:28
          
          
            sent out 20.
          
                  
            1:37:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm excited to
get mine, because I want to take
          
                  
            1:37:31
          
          
            the you should have
          
                  
            1:37:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: gotten it by now.
Should most, according to my
          
                  
            1:37:33
          
          
            post office, you supposed to
have gotten it on Tuesday. I
          
                  
            1:37:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: didn't get it on
Tuesday, and get it on
          
                  
            1:37:39
          
          
            Wednesday. I'll check tomorrow,
and otherwise I'll go to the
          
                  
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            post office and raise hell.
          
                  
            1:37:46
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Uh, Terrell a
McMahan, I looked him up. I
          
                  
            1:37:49
          
          
            couldn't find him in Bartlett.
Bartlett as in pair Tennessee
          
                  
            1:37:54
          
          
            came in with 500 bucks. No, no,
no, nothing about anything. And
          
                  
            1:37:58
          
          
            so we give him a double up.
Karma, you've
          
                  
            1:38:00
          
          
            Unknown: got
          
                  
            1:38:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: karma. Ronald,
sorry. Roland, Schneider
          
                  
            1:38:07
          
          
            Granger, Texas, $500 and he
says, Commodore, SX 64 of Lake
          
                  
            1:38:12
          
          
            Granger purchased SX 64 when I
was a teenager with money earned
          
                  
            1:38:16
          
          
            from agricultural labor,
countless hours of basic fun.
          
                  
            1:38:20
          
          
            Shout out down south to the
fishermen in CC, keep up the
          
                  
            1:38:23
          
          
            good work. Got it. Thank
          
                  
            1:38:26
          
          
            John C Dvorak: you. Game Bay
Area, wildfire, yes, forest
          
                  
            1:38:35
          
          
            management. People get into that
Gilroy. She's in Gilroy,
          
                  
            1:38:38
          
          
            California, and she came in with
another 500 bucks, and she is
          
                  
            1:38:43
          
          
            saying, Your Bay Area, wire
wildfire, you guys are the best
          
                  
            1:38:49
          
          
            stuck in us. Shout out to my
great friends, Kristen and Nikki
          
                  
            1:38:54
          
          
            or Nick. Nick to another four
more years. Four more years.
          
                  
            1:39:00
          
          
            Adam Curry: Mark alcoser Alco,
sir, I think Houston, Texas, 500
          
                  
            1:39:06
          
          
            late. Congrats for 1700 shows
and happy early 17th
          
                  
            1:39:10
          
          
            anniversary. Jobs karma, please.
Jobs,
          
                  
            1:39:12
          
          
            Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
          
                  
            1:39:20
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Anonymous in
Silver Spring, Maryland, 500 and
          
                  
            1:39:25
          
          
            all he or she says is Commodore
anonymous.
          
                  
            1:39:30
          
          
            Adam Curry: All right, Commodore
anonymous, all right. Go to no
          
                  
            1:39:33
          
          
            agenda rings calm and fill it
out. Make sure we get your
          
                  
            1:39:35
          
          
            address and you'll be Commodore
anonymous. Steve banstra from
          
                  
            1:39:39
          
          
            Nashville, Tennessee, who
doesn't know Steve $500 he says,
          
                  
            1:39:42
          
          
            Now, when I'm at a dinner party
and someone tells me that they
          
                  
            1:39:45
          
          
            went to Vanderbilt, I can tell
them I'm a Commodore anchored
          
                  
            1:39:49
          
          
            down Steve banter, Baron of BNA,
          
                  
            1:39:55
          
          
            John C Dvorak: another anonymous
comes in with $500 and says to.
          
                  
            1:40:00
          
          
            Four more years. Four more
          
                  
            1:40:03
          
          
            Adam Curry: years. Colin McLane
Argyle, Texas, 333, he says,
          
                  
            1:40:07
          
          
            Rogan, donation, donation. And
please deduce me.
          
                  
            1:40:12
          
          
            Unknown: You've been deduced.
          
                  
            1:40:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Eli the coffee
guy, yeah, in bensonville,
          
                  
            1:40:19
          
          
            Illinois, 210, 10, and he says,
I'd like to wish my wife,
          
                  
            1:40:25
          
          
            Jennifer, a happy anniversary.
Thank you for joining me on this
          
                  
            1:40:28
          
          
            journey called life. You're an
amazing wife, a mother and a
          
                  
            1:40:31
          
          
            business partner. I'm true and a
good designer, by the way, I
          
                  
            1:40:34
          
          
            give her credit for that. She
designed the packaging. Oh, I'm
          
                  
            1:40:38
          
          
            truly a lucky man. Can I get
which saves money, by the way,
          
                  
            1:40:42
          
          
            yes, it does. Money saver.
          
                  
            1:40:45
          
          
            Unknown: That's good. Can
          
                  
            1:40:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I get a boogity?
Boogity, boogity. Amen. And for
          
                  
            1:40:48
          
          
            producers who want to support a
true mom and pop up small
          
                  
            1:40:51
          
          
            business, please get great
coffee and visit Giga wrote Giga
          
                  
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            roast, gigawatt Coffee
roasters.com and use code ITM 20
          
                  
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            for 20% off your order. Stay
caffeinated. Eli, the coffee
          
                  
            1:41:02
          
          
            guy,
          
                  
            1:41:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: all right, we move
on to ZEV green in Teaneck, New
          
                  
            1:41:15
          
          
            Jersey, $200 Associate Executive
producership for you. He says,
          
                  
            1:41:18
          
          
            Dear no agenda family, I'm
excited to announce that I've
          
                  
            1:41:21
          
          
            crossed the $1,000 mark and my
sustainable donations have
          
                  
            1:41:24
          
          
            finally paid off. My whole
family listens to every show,
          
                  
            1:41:28
          
          
            yes, even the donation segments.
Well, of course, that's where
          
                  
            1:41:31
          
          
            all the good stuff is. As a
technologist who travels
          
                  
            1:41:34
          
          
            internationally for work, I
catch each episode as soon as my
          
                  
            1:41:37
          
          
            podcasting 2.0 app alerts me,
but at two times speed, the show
          
                  
            1:41:43
          
          
            always feels too short.
          
                  
            1:41:46
          
          
            Unknown: Okay,
          
                  
            1:41:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: your life will also
be shortened by doing that.
          
                  
            1:41:51
          
          
            That's just me. Thankfully, no,
thankfully, I'm launching my
          
                  
            1:41:55
          
          
            third financial mobile app. So
please send some karma my way.
          
                  
            1:41:59
          
          
            Also, I'm donating an additional
$200 in honor of my 49th trip
          
                  
            1:42:03
          
          
            around the sun on Friday the
11th. Please Knight me as sir
          
                  
            1:42:07
          
          
            ZEV mo protector of the digital
wallet for my round table, Neil,
          
                  
            1:42:11
          
          
            I like to have potato Kugel,
more Jew food, he says. And for
          
                  
            1:42:16
          
          
            drink kombucha. For jingles I'd
love to hear not a fan of the
          
                  
            1:42:22
          
          
            kombucha for jingles, I'd like
to hear biscuit for my birthday.
          
                  
            1:42:26
          
          
            Adam's favorite Reverend Al clip
and a deducing. Thank you for
          
                  
            1:42:29
          
          
            your courage. Best from ZEV Moe,
green Teaneck, New Jersey. PS,
          
                  
            1:42:33
          
          
            Adam, every time you speak with
a Dutch accent, it reminds me of
          
                  
            1:42:36
          
          
            my Van Van apron. Family
originally from Nord problem, it
          
                  
            1:42:41
          
          
            always brings a smile to my
face. Val, isn't that great? I'm
          
                  
            1:42:45
          
          
            so happy
          
                  
            1:42:46
          
          
            Unknown: for you. They always
give me a biscuit on my
          
                  
            1:42:48
          
          
            birthday. The GOP
          
                  
            1:42:49
          
          
            infighting is escalating.
Political says Democrats are
          
                  
            1:42:54
          
          
            outright jitty happy to watch
the GOP approach.
          
                  
            1:43:00
          
          
            You've been deduced.
          
                  
            1:43:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Unbelievable.
Linda lupatkin is finishes up
          
                  
            1:43:10
          
          
            our show, executive and
Associate Executive Producer.
          
                  
            1:43:13
          
          
            She's from Lakewood, Colorado,
and she gives, comes in with
          
                  
            1:43:16
          
          
            $200 and says, Oh, she wants
jobs, karma, and says, For a
          
                  
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            resume that gets results, go to
imagemakers. Inc.com, for all
          
                  
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            your executive resume and job
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            makers. Inc, with a K or find
Linda Lou Duchess of jobs and
          
                  
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            writer of resumes on the
producer list, jobs,
          
                  
            1:43:34
          
          
            Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
          
                  
            1:43:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: You're so proud of
yourself. I finally did it one
          
                  
            1:43:45
          
          
            in a million. Hey, there you go.
Thank you to our executive and
          
                  
            1:43:47
          
          
            Associate Executive producers.
We will thank the rest of our
          
                  
            1:43:50
          
          
            producers in our second segment,
we appreciate what you do. Thank
          
                  
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            you for your treasure. Part of
the time, talent and treasure,
          
                  
            1:43:57
          
          
            remember these credits are real.
You can use them anywhere.
          
                  
            1:43:59
          
          
            Credits are recognized, that
includes imdb.com thank you
          
                  
            1:44:02
          
          
            again for producing episode 17.
          
                  
            1:44:05
          
          
            Unknown: Oh, my formula is this.
          
                  
            1:44:08
          
          
            We go out. We hit people in the
mouth, shut up.
          
                  
            1:44:22
          
          
            Slay All
          
                  
            1:44:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: right, you had
something you wanted to play.
          
                  
            1:44:30
          
          
            Yeah,
          
                  
            1:44:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I want to do
these clips. This is a an
          
                  
            1:44:32
          
          
            example. These are a total of
six clips. Oh, and it's they're
          
                  
            1:44:38
          
          
            different, though they're not
just like one topic called Divi
          
                  
            1:44:41
          
          
            depth. This is about the kind of
dingbats that you have doing
          
                  
            1:44:46
          
          
            reporting nowadays, and this is
specific to NPR. Oh, well,
          
                  
            1:44:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: like we haven't been
paying attention to them today.
          
                  
            1:44:52
          
          
            We've been giving them a lot of
errors.
          
                  
            1:44:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: It's, yes, it's
like NPR kind of a focus to
          
                  
            1:44:58
          
          
            let's focus on crap. Be
reporting. Let's start with this
          
                  
            1:45:01
          
          
            one. This is the first this
dingbat report NPR on the this
          
                  
            1:45:06
          
          
            is about the Honda. Honda's had
a big recall. And then we get to
          
                  
            1:45:10
          
          
            listen to, I don't know, this
girl sounds like she's in the
          
                  
            1:45:14
          
          
            11th grade, maybe telling us all
about the problem with the
          
                  
            1:45:19
          
          
            steering mechanism on a Honda
car.
          
                  
            1:45:21
          
          
            Unknown: Honda is recalling more
than 1.7 million vehicles
          
                  
            1:45:24
          
          
            because of a defect in the
steering mechanism. Federal
          
                  
            1:45:27
          
          
            regulators say the issue could
increase the risk for crash and
          
                  
            1:45:31
          
          
            Paris Camila domino ski has
details. The recall
          
                  
            1:45:34
          
          
            includes the Acura Integra Honda
CRV and the Civic family all
          
                  
            1:45:39
          
          
            from model year 2022, or newer,
Honda thinks about 1% of
          
                  
            1:45:43
          
          
            recalled cars actually have the
faulty part. It's a badly
          
                  
            1:45:47
          
          
            manufactured worm wheel, the
part where the rotation from
          
                  
            1:45:51
          
          
            turning the steering wheel turns
into turning a gear to turn the
          
                  
            1:45:55
          
          
            wheels. Turns out that these
defective worm wheels can swell.
          
                  
            1:45:59
          
          
            There's also a spring that's
wound too tight, add it up, and
          
                  
            1:46:02
          
          
            you might get an abnormal noise
and a sticky feeling when you
          
                  
            1:46:05
          
          
            turn the steering wheel.
          
                  
            1:46:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: Wow, how
condescending is that.
          
                  
            1:46:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: So why do we even
have a reporter reporting on
          
                  
            1:46:13
          
          
            something that you can just
read? The newsreader could have
          
                  
            1:46:16
          
          
            read that, but they do this a
lot. I was looking at. In fact,
          
                  
            1:46:19
          
          
            I went and looked it up on the
NPR personnel. They have
          
                  
            1:46:23
          
          
            hundreds and hundreds of people
working there that just for this
          
                  
            1:46:27
          
          
            purpose alone. That brings me to
the second group of clips. This
          
                  
            1:46:31
          
          
            is the Sandia. It's about Sandia
Labs, which she pronounces
          
                  
            1:46:35
          
          
            Sandia.
          
                  
            1:46:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't know why.
What is Sandy sand Sandia Labs
          
                  
            1:46:39
          
          
            is
          
                  
            1:46:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: down in the
Albuquerque area, and it's a
          
                  
            1:46:43
          
          
            should again. She might maybe
send Diaz the way it's
          
                  
            1:46:46
          
          
            pronounced now, but this is a,
this is one of those examples
          
                  
            1:46:50
          
          
            we've talked about it before in
the show where you have a
          
                  
            1:46:53
          
          
            situation where you use the term
spokesperson instead of
          
                  
            1:46:58
          
          
            representative, because you want
to make it clear that you're
          
                  
            1:47:01
          
          
            using non, you know, language a
certain way. I believe NPR uses,
          
                  
            1:47:07
          
          
            uh, brings on presenters that
are dei hires
          
                  
            1:47:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: for their score,
their ESG score, for
          
                  
            1:47:16
          
          
            John C Dvorak: their score and
and for bragging rights. And
          
                  
            1:47:20
          
          
            they do it by they you could
bring in somebody who's who can
          
                  
            1:47:24
          
          
            do presentation well, and they'd
be a dei hire, but if you're
          
                  
            1:47:27
          
          
            listening on the right, you
wouldn't notice it. So that's no
          
                  
            1:47:31
          
          
            good. So let's bring on a woman
that's got so much she's just a
          
                  
            1:47:35
          
          
            lousy presenter. Can't she
screeches when she talks. She's
          
                  
            1:47:39
          
          
            got see. I don't know if she's
black or Mexican or I don't. I
          
                  
            1:47:42
          
          
            can't tell, but she's got a
ghetto sound to her that that
          
                  
            1:47:46
          
          
            tells the listener, hey, I'm a
dei hire. Get over it, and here
          
                  
            1:47:50
          
          
            we go. Do you
          
                  
            1:47:51
          
          
            Unknown: worry that an asteroid
will slam into Earth and in all
          
                  
            1:47:55
          
          
            life on this planet, perhaps
scenes from movies like
          
                  
            1:48:02
          
          
            Armageddon keep you up at night.
We may have something to make
          
                  
            1:48:06
          
          
            your sleep a little better.
Scientists may have discovered a
          
                  
            1:48:13
          
          
            way to knock an incoming
asteroid off course. And for
          
                  
            1:48:17
          
          
            anyone who ever wondered, why
don't we just throw a bunch of
          
                  
            1:48:21
          
          
            nuclear missiles at it? Well,
you're kind of
          
                  
            1:48:24
          
          
            right. So it's a little bit
different concept, but we think
          
                  
            1:48:27
          
          
            it may even be more effective.
          
                  
            1:48:28
          
          
            Nathan Moore led a team of
physicists at the Sandia
          
                  
            1:48:32
          
          
            National Laboratories in
Albuquerque, New Mexico.
          
                  
            1:48:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: All right, here's
how the meeting went. Hey guys,
          
                  
            1:48:38
          
          
            I think we really we've had some
issues with with a younger
          
                  
            1:48:41
          
          
            audience listening to NPR. We
need to hip it up a little bit.
          
                  
            1:48:45
          
          
            I want some sound effects. I
want, you know, a young, young
          
                  
            1:48:50
          
          
            voices, multicultural voices,
and let's just be a little bit
          
                  
            1:48:54
          
          
            looser with the scripts. Yeah,
that'll do it.
          
                  
            1:48:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Do you that would
be the meeting? Sorry. Well, I'm
          
                  
            1:49:01
          
          
            sorry that would be the meeting
now. I now the problem is
          
                  
            1:49:04
          
          
            reporting here is, which brings
me to the last couple of clips
          
                  
            1:49:09
          
          
            coming up. Didn't
          
                  
            1:49:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: we always do this?
By the way, do we already?
          
                  
            1:49:11
          
          
            Didn't already throw, like,
crash something into a asteroid?
          
                  
            1:49:17
          
          
            Well,
          
                  
            1:49:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: yeah, but that
was the landed to steal
          
                  
            1:49:19
          
          
            something from it, I meant this
difference. And the thing is, is
          
                  
            1:49:23
          
          
            that they're going to tell us
something that it makes no sense
          
                  
            1:49:29
          
          
            and it's never explained. And
this is what, what the galling
          
                  
            1:49:32
          
          
            part is, besides her voice, here
we go.
          
                  
            1:49:34
          
          
            Unknown: The Sandia National
Laboratories in Albuquerque, New
          
                  
            1:49:37
          
          
            Mexico, they have discovered you
just need to set off a nuclear
          
                  
            1:49:41
          
          
            explosion near an asteroid, and
the burst of X rays will send it
          
                  
            1:49:46
          
          
            safely off target. The idea has
been around for decades, but the
          
                  
            1:49:51
          
          
            only way to test it is with the
nuclear weapon, and
          
                  
            1:49:54
          
          
            those are difficult to come by,
so we invented a laboratory
          
                  
            1:49:58
          
          
            experiment where we could test
this idea. Him to generate an
          
                  
            1:50:01
          
          
            incredibly strong burst of X
rays in the laboratory. His team
          
                  
            1:50:06
          
          
            used magnetic fields to produce
these X rays and recorded their
          
                  
            1:50:10
          
          
            effects on two mock asteroids
roughly the size of tic tacs.
          
                  
            1:50:15
          
          
            Not only does it work, but it
works better than we thought,
          
                  
            1:50:18
          
          
            and
          
                  
            1:50:19
          
          
            on any size asteroid. But Nathan
Moore cautions that all
          
                  
            1:50:23
          
          
            asteroids are not alike.
Asteroids
          
                  
            1:50:25
          
          
            come in many different flavors.
They're made of many different
          
                  
            1:50:28
          
          
            types of rocks. We've only done
a test on one type of mineral,
          
                  
            1:50:31
          
          
            so it will be important to test
this idea on different minerals
          
                  
            1:50:36
          
          
            in our laboratory experiments to
develop a full understanding of
          
                  
            1:50:40
          
          
            how we would deal with every
type of asteroid,
          
                  
            1:50:43
          
          
            but it's good to know we humans
have options that those
          
                  
            1:50:46
          
          
            dinosaurs didn't when it comes
to asteroids or when they come
          
                  
            1:50:50
          
          
            to us.
          
                  
            1:50:51
          
          
            It's certainly reassuring to
know that if we are surprised by
          
                  
            1:50:55
          
          
            either a large asteroid or one
that shows up with very little
          
                  
            1:50:59
          
          
            warning, if it needs a hard
shove, we have a way to deal
          
                  
            1:51:03
          
          
            with it. Bruce Willis,
          
                  
            1:51:04
          
          
            thank you for your service. Oh,
          
                  
            1:51:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: my goodness, I'm
surprised he didn't say Axelrod.
          
                  
            1:51:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: The worst part
about this report is not even
          
                  
            1:51:17
          
          
            her. It's how do X rays, which
have, no matter push anything I
          
                  
            1:51:25
          
          
            would. I'm sure that maybe it
does. They do, but I don't know
          
                  
            1:51:28
          
          
            how it does. I mean, when I have
an x ray, I'm not thrown back
          
                  
            1:51:31
          
          
            against the table. It's like so
there's no explanation for how
          
                  
            1:51:38
          
          
            this X ray also
          
                  
            1:51:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: rude. Bruce Willis
is, is a vegetable. It's rude.
          
                  
            1:51:45
          
          
            Is, and
          
                  
            1:51:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: then the Bruce
Willis reference is like with
          
                  
            1:51:48
          
          
            Bon
          
                  
            1:51:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: Jovi music,
          
                  
            1:51:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's rude.
          
                  
            1:51:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: I agree. This is
peace NPR, right here. It's
          
                  
            1:51:54
          
          
            over. That's it's enjoy.
Finally,
          
                  
            1:51:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it exemplifies
the crap that they produce. And
          
                  
            1:52:03
          
          
            it's also not explanatory. It
used to be educational. You
          
                  
            1:52:06
          
          
            should learn something, you
learn nothing. So here we go to
          
                  
            1:52:09
          
          
            this second group. Now this is
all the same. This is about more
          
                  
            1:52:13
          
          
            science led pipes. And I want to
this is about this has got so
          
                  
            1:52:19
          
          
            much lack of information.
There's no real reporting. It's
          
                  
            1:52:23
          
          
            just as let's get rid of lead
pipes. They they never explain
          
                  
            1:52:28
          
          
            as we go along, I'll try to
throw in what might be going on
          
                  
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            because I have, because I would
like it Wait,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: didn't you? Used to
be a lead pipe inspector, no.
          
                  
            1:52:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Oh, okay, and so
I would say that there is lead
          
                  
            1:52:44
          
          
            pipes inch. There's just
information in here that is not
          
                  
            1:52:49
          
          
            explained.
          
                  
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            Unknown: Let's go. There are
some 9 million homes across the
          
                  
            1:52:54
          
          
            US getting water through lead
          
                  
            1:52:55
          
          
            pipes, and now the Environmental
Protection Agency says those
          
                  
            1:52:59
          
          
            pipes need to come out. The
science
          
                  
            1:53:00
          
          
            has been clear for decades.
There is no safe level of lead
          
                  
            1:53:05
          
          
            in our drinking water.
          
                  
            1:53:06
          
          
            That's EPA Administrator Michael
Regan.
          
                  
            1:53:08
          
          
            He says lead
          
                  
            1:53:09
          
          
            is harmful, especially to
children. And VRS
          
                  
            1:53:11
          
          
            ping Huang has been following
the story, and she joins us now,
          
                  
            1:53:14
          
          
            hi, ping. Okay, so I gotta
admit, I was kind of surprised
          
                  
            1:53:18
          
          
            this wasn't already a rule. What
is the Epta saying about it?
          
                  
            1:53:22
          
          
            Yeah, you would think, right. I
mean, it's definitely something
          
                  
            1:53:25
          
          
            that water advocates have been
fighting for for many, many
          
                  
            1:53:27
          
          
            years now. And the main thing
about this rule is that, for the
          
                  
            1:53:31
          
          
            first time on the federal level,
it requires most water systems
          
                  
            1:53:35
          
          
            to replace all their lead pipes
within 10 years. Now, Leila,
          
                  
            1:53:39
          
          
            this is a problem with a long
history, but it got a lot of
          
                  
            1:53:41
          
          
            attention 10 years ago with the
Flint water crisis in Michigan.
          
                  
            1:53:44
          
          
            And there, there was a change in
the water chemistry that caused
          
                  
            1:53:48
          
          
            old pipes to leach high amounts
of lead into the drinking water.
          
                  
            1:53:51
          
          
            And since then, some cities and
states have actually already
          
                  
            1:53:54
          
          
            been swapping out those lead
pipes for copper. Okay.
          
                  
            1:53:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What did she say
at the end
          
                  
            1:54:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: happen. I don't know
what she said, and they're just
          
                  
            1:54:04
          
          
            filling air time
          
                  
            1:54:06
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to play the
little end part again and tell
          
                  
            1:54:08
          
          
            me what she said, word by word.
Crisis in
          
                  
            1:54:11
          
          
            Unknown: Michigan. And there,
there was a change in the water
          
                  
            1:54:14
          
          
            chemistry. There, there
          
                  
            1:54:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: was a change in the
water chemistry. Wait, wait,
          
                  
            1:54:18
          
          
            wait, I'm listening to
          
                  
            1:54:19
          
          
            Unknown: each high amounts of
lead into the drinking water.
          
                  
            1:54:21
          
          
            That's the tiny legs into the
drinking water. Some cities and
          
                  
            1:54:25
          
          
            states have actually already
been swapping out those lead
          
                  
            1:54:28
          
          
            pipes for copper. Okay,
          
                  
            1:54:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: that last bit I
could not decode. Let me listen
          
                  
            1:54:32
          
          
            again. And
          
                  
            1:54:33
          
          
            Unknown: some cities and states
have actually already been
          
                  
            1:54:35
          
          
            swapping out those lead pipes
for copper.
          
                  
            1:54:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, some states
have been a lot the selected
          
                  
            1:54:40
          
          
            lapping hopper.
          
                  
            1:54:43
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I could I listen
to this 10 times that I couldn't
          
                  
            1:54:46
          
          
            figure out what she said, the
          
                  
            1:54:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: leech and lop and
slopping hopper. Let me just
          
                  
            1:54:52
          
          
            slapping swapping out the
swapping out the lead for
          
                  
            1:54:54
          
          
            copper. How about that?
          
                  
            1:54:56
          
          
            Unknown: And since then, some
cities and states have actually
          
                  
            1:54:58
          
          
            already been swapping out those
lead pipes. Hopper, they've been
          
                  
            1:55:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: slopping out the
slopping out the headphones for
          
                  
            1:55:04
          
          
            copper. She said, Hopper, yeah,
how can we? We don't get gigs
          
                  
            1:55:09
          
          
            like this. This is a great gig.
I wanted to slop and Hopper,
          
                  
            1:55:12
          
          
            okay,
          
                  
            1:55:12
          
          
            John C Dvorak: so let's right
away. We introduced it turns
          
                  
            1:55:16
          
          
            out, besides that last bit,
which is, I had to stop it
          
                  
            1:55:20
          
          
            there, because it's like, what
did, I still don't know what she
          
                  
            1:55:23
          
          
            said, lappa, Hopper, slop and
hopper. So we got, let
          
                  
            1:55:28
          
          
            everybody's got lead pipes show
title, slop and Hopper, slop and
          
                  
            1:55:32
          
          
            hopper. So everyone's got,
there's lead pipes are
          
                  
            1:55:37
          
          
            everywhere. But in Flint,
Michigan, it caused a problem,
          
                  
            1:55:40
          
          
            and everyone got poisoned, and
they made a big fuss about it,
          
                  
            1:55:43
          
          
            because of the water chemistry.
Yeah. What water chemistry? What
          
                  
            1:55:47
          
          
            water chemistry? What changed in
Flint that all of a sudden
          
                  
            1:55:50
          
          
            everyone got lead poisoning when
there's lead pipes. It turns out
          
                  
            1:55:53
          
          
            the whole country is filled with
them,
          
                  
            1:55:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: slop and hopper. So
          
                  
            1:55:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: what? What do? We
didn't distant. Tell me
          
                  
            1:56:03
          
          
            anything. All I know is, if
there's lead pipes everywhere,
          
                  
            1:56:05
          
          
            and they've been here forever
and and I also know that
          
                  
            1:56:09
          
          
            elemental lead, elemental lead,
is not toxic. Even lick lead,
          
                  
            1:56:16
          
          
            it's not going to do anything.
It's the lead salts.
          
                  
            1:56:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: Ah, are you getting
all that? Are talks getting all
          
                  
            1:56:22
          
          
            chemistry on me now,
          
                  
            1:56:25
          
          
            John C Dvorak: but they never
talk about any of that. Let's go
          
                  
            1:56:27
          
          
            with clip to a word they where
they still tell us nothing,
          
                  
            1:56:30
          
          
            Unknown: right? It was clear,
even back then that it wasn't
          
                  
            1:56:33
          
          
            just a problem in Flint. Are
there parts of the country that
          
                  
            1:56:36
          
          
            are more likely to rely on lead
pipes?
          
                  
            1:56:38
          
          
            Yeah, places with homes that
were built before 1986 that's
          
                  
            1:56:42
          
          
            the year that Congress banned
lead pipes, but the ones that
          
                  
            1:56:45
          
          
            were already in the ground were
allowed to stay there until now.
          
                  
            1:56:48
          
          
            So there are lead pipes in every
state, but some have more than
          
                  
            1:56:51
          
          
            others. Those include Illinois,
Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New
          
                  
            1:56:55
          
          
            York and New Jersey. All of
those states have over half a
          
                  
            1:56:58
          
          
            million lead pipes. Wow. So
          
                  
            1:57:00
          
          
            that's a lot of pipes. They're
gonna have to replace all those
          
                  
            1:57:02
          
          
            in 10 years.
          
                  
            1:57:03
          
          
            Wow. Yeah, it is a lot of pipes,
and for the most part, they will
          
                  
            1:57:07
          
          
            have to but there are some
interesting exceptions. So
          
                  
            1:57:09
          
          
            Chicago, for instance, has the
most lead pipes out of any city,
          
                  
            1:57:13
          
          
            around 400,000 in Chicago alone,
and that's because they actually
          
                  
            1:57:17
          
          
            required lead pipes there until
they were banned. So when this
          
                  
            1:57:20
          
          
            rule was first proposed, Chicago
got a pretty big exemption,
          
                  
            1:57:24
          
          
            something like 40 to 50 years to
replace all their pipes because
          
                  
            1:57:27
          
          
            they just had too many of them.
And a lot of advocates pushed
          
                  
            1:57:30
          
          
            back on that. They said it's way
too long. That's generations
          
                  
            1:57:33
          
          
            more people growing up with lead
pipes. So in the final rule, the
          
                  
            1:57:37
          
          
            EPA has tightened that up now,
instead of 40 years, they have
          
                  
            1:57:40
          
          
            more like 20 to 25
          
                  
            1:57:43
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, so a couple
things I learned here. One, no
          
                  
            1:57:45
          
          
            wonder Chicago is retarded is
because they're all drinking
          
                  
            1:57:49
          
          
            lead. And the other thing I got
from net Ned, he says Detroit
          
                  
            1:57:53
          
          
            water was used until Detroit
kicked them off for not paying
          
                  
            1:57:57
          
          
            their bill, and Flint switched
to a mothballed water treatment
          
                  
            1:58:02
          
          
            plant from the Flint River that
was really polluted, just as an
          
                  
            1:58:06
          
          
            aside, and we do better than
NPR.
          
                  
            1:58:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, another
thing the question that comes to
          
                  
            1:58:12
          
          
            mind when I heard that clip was,
why did Chicago demand the lead
          
                  
            1:58:17
          
          
            pipes in the first place
          
                  
            1:58:19
          
          
            Adam Curry: so that the
Democrats could keep winning
          
                  
            1:58:21
          
          
            elections.
          
                  
            1:58:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, that's an
interesting theory, but it's
          
                  
            1:58:27
          
          
            like that. Why don't they tell
us anything? They there's, this
          
                  
            1:58:30
          
          
            is a fact free Science Report.
They're, they're telling us
          
                  
            1:58:34
          
          
            nothing, no. And, for example,
what is going on that causes the
          
                  
            1:58:39
          
          
            let and even with the Flint,
Michigan thing. I still don't
          
                  
            1:58:41
          
          
            know what the chemistry is. Now
I have some ideas. It's possible
          
                  
            1:58:45
          
          
            that, for example, you can get
lead chloride. If you chlorinate
          
                  
            1:58:49
          
          
            the water and run it through
lead pipes, you might get some,
          
                  
            1:58:51
          
          
            some, some, some lead chloride
through to the drinking water. I
          
                  
            1:58:55
          
          
            mean, that's one possibility. If
you look do any research at all,
          
                  
            1:58:59
          
          
            and they don't talk about this.
If you have hard water, it coats
          
                  
            1:59:04
          
          
            the inside of the lead pipe. So
the likelihood of toxic toxicity
          
                  
            1:59:07
          
          
            is zero because there's a
coating. You know, anyone who
          
                  
            1:59:10
          
          
            has hard water knows what the
problem is. It just calcium and
          
                  
            1:59:13
          
          
            manganese just coat everything.
And so it makes the pipe
          
                  
            1:59:17
          
          
            smaller, but it protects it, and
that's not discussed. And then
          
                  
            1:59:22
          
          
            the sleeving thing, which is
what most people do in these
          
                  
            1:59:24
          
          
            some of these areas, you run
plastic sleeves through the
          
                  
            1:59:27
          
          
            copper pipe, and then you just
run the water through that, and
          
                  
            1:59:30
          
          
            that solves the problem
immediately. And then there's
          
                  
            1:59:33
          
          
            also solder joints they don't
talk about, which would leeches
          
                  
            1:59:36
          
          
            through even when copper
          
                  
            1:59:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: pipe. How come I
didn't call you for this Science
          
                  
            1:59:39
          
          
            Report. Could
          
                  
            1:59:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: have called
anybody
          
                  
            1:59:41
          
          
            Unknown: Shut up already.
          
                  
            1:59:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: Science, yeah,
science, be quiet.
          
                  
            1:59:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: So they continue
with the non factual reporting
          
                  
            1:59:51
          
          
            with the next clip. In touch
          
                  
            1:59:53
          
          
            Unknown: with Brenda Santoyo,
and she's a water justice
          
                  
            1:59:55
          
          
            advocate in Chicago, water
          
                  
            1:59:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: justice advocate.
Nah.
          
                  
            2:00:00
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Wow. Hey, water
justice, that
          
                  
            2:00:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: should be our next
promotion. We can give out water
          
                  
            2:00:06
          
          
            justice advocate diplomas.
          
                  
            2:00:09
          
          
            Unknown: Okay,
          
                  
            2:00:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: yeah, what? I have
a, W, J, a in Detroit. It's
          
                  
            2:00:15
          
          
            Unknown: definitely progress. I
think that, like the city, the
          
                  
            2:00:18
          
          
            state, should take, like their
own measures to
          
                  
            2:00:21
          
          
            try to speed up that process as
          
                  
            2:00:22
          
          
            much as it can.
          
                  
            2:00:24
          
          
            We also don't want our water
systems to be set up for
          
                  
            2:00:27
          
          
            failure, for them to take
shortcuts.
          
                  
            2:00:30
          
          
            Yeah. She says that the timeline
seems reasonable, so long as
          
                  
            2:00:33
          
          
            families are able to protect
themselves in the meantime.
          
                  
            2:00:35
          
          
            Yeah. I
          
                  
            2:00:35
          
          
            mean, even 10 more years seems
like a long time to be drinking
          
                  
            2:00:38
          
          
            water that might have lead in
it. So what can families do to
          
                  
            2:00:41
          
          
            protect themselves? Yeah, well,
step one
          
                  
            2:00:43
          
          
            is figuring out whether they
have a lead service line. The
          
                  
            2:00:46
          
          
            service line is the pipe that
brings tap water into your
          
                  
            2:00:48
          
          
            house, and that would be the
most likely culprit. If you can
          
                  
            2:00:51
          
          
            see that line, you can scratch
it with a coin. Try a magnet on
          
                  
            2:00:54
          
          
            it. There's some guidance online
that can help you figure out if
          
                  
            2:00:57
          
          
            it's made of lead, copper or
coated steel. And in case you're
          
                  
            2:01:01
          
          
            wondering if it's easy to
scratch and a magnet does not
          
                  
            2:01:03
          
          
            stick to it, those are some of
the signs that it could be lead.
          
                  
            2:01:06
          
          
            They can also test their water
for lead. There are some water
          
                  
            2:01:09
          
          
            districts out there that offer
free water testing so they can
          
                  
            2:01:11
          
          
            check for that. And here's the
thing, even if there is lead in
          
                  
            2:01:15
          
          
            the water, common home filters
can take them out. So pitcher
          
                  
            2:01:18
          
          
            filters, faucet filters that are
certified to remove lead. All
          
                  
            2:01:22
          
          
            these are really great
solutions, until the lead pipes
          
                  
            2:01:24
          
          
            themselves get eliminated. I am
          
                  
            2:01:26
          
          
            Adam Curry: very close to
banning NPR science reports on
          
                  
            2:01:29
          
          
            this show. I'm very, very, very
close to it. This is bad. This
          
                  
            2:01:33
          
          
            is very bad.
          
                  
            2:01:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: You have to
remember that NPR our national
          
                  
            2:01:37
          
          
            treasure, and all these, these
public radio station began as
          
                  
            2:01:41
          
          
            educational stations where the
where you should learn
          
                  
            2:01:45
          
          
            something, you learn nothing
from these people. There's no
          
                  
            2:01:49
          
          
            explanation for anything. It's
just blah, blah, blah, blah,
          
                  
            2:01:54
          
          
            blah. Lead is bad.
          
                  
            2:01:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah, that we could
have summed up that whole report
          
                  
            2:02:03
          
          
            with what you just said there.
Blah blah blah. Lead is bad,
          
                  
            2:02:06
          
          
            blah blah blah, all right, thank
you for this science moment.
          
                  
            2:02:16
          
          
            You're welcome. I would like to
move to Israel and Iran and
          
                  
            2:02:24
          
          
            what's happening. I have a
couple of clips, and I have some
          
                  
            2:02:27
          
          
            analysis that I would like to
share with the group. We start
          
                  
            2:02:29
          
          
            first with Biden and Netanyahu.
Finally speaking,
          
                  
            2:02:34
          
          
            Unknown: President Biden today
spoke with Israeli Prime
          
                  
            2:02:36
          
          
            Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The
White House called their
          
                  
            2:02:39
          
          
            conversation direct and
productive. However, one of the
          
                  
            2:02:43
          
          
            big questions that remains is,
how will Israel respond to the
          
                  
            2:02:47
          
          
            Iranian missile attack, and when
Israel's defense minister warns
          
                  
            2:02:52
          
          
            it will be precise and deadly?
Amish news reporter Josh einer
          
                  
            2:02:56
          
          
            is live in Tel Aviv tonight with
the story
          
                  
            2:02:59
          
          
            well as precise and deadly, he
said, But he added, and above
          
                  
            2:03:02
          
          
            all, surprising they meaning the
Iranians, he added, will not
          
                  
            2:03:06
          
          
            understand what happened and
how. But as you point out, the
          
                  
            2:03:10
          
          
            big question is when and if the
Israelis have decided that they
          
                  
            2:03:15
          
          
            aren't saying tonight, one year
after President Biden came to
          
                  
            2:03:18
          
          
            Israel and wrapped Prime
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and
          
                  
            2:03:21
          
          
            a bear hug, the two leaders have
seen their relationship sour.
          
                  
            2:03:25
          
          
            Netanyahu prosecution of the war
in Gaza and now Lebanon, but
          
                  
            2:03:31
          
          
            eight days after nearly 200
Iranian missiles filled the
          
                  
            2:03:34
          
          
            Israeli skies, Netanyahu and
Biden today spoke on the phone
          
                  
            2:03:38
          
          
            to discuss Israel's plans to
retaliate.
          
                  
            2:03:41
          
          
            The US and the Israeli
government have been discussing.
          
                  
            2:03:44
          
          
            Have had discussion since last
week
          
                  
            2:03:47
          
          
            after,
          
                  
            2:03:49
          
          
            certainly since after the Iran
attack, and so that those
          
                  
            2:03:52
          
          
            discussions continued with the
President and the Prime
          
                  
            2:03:56
          
          
            Minister, the
          
                  
            2:03:57
          
          
            White House has been trying to
convince Netanyahu to choose
          
                  
            2:03:59
          
          
            conventional military targets,
and not Iran's oil industry or
          
                  
            2:04:03
          
          
            nuclear program. And it all
comes at the holiest time of the
          
                  
            2:04:07
          
          
            year in this holy land. Will
they try to do something before
          
                  
            2:04:10
          
          
            the end of the week? Because at
the end of the week is the
          
                  
            2:04:12
          
          
            holiest day on the Jewish
calendar, Yom Kippur, the Day of
          
                  
            2:04:16
          
          
            Atonement. And at this time,
there is so much uncertainty
          
                  
            2:04:19
          
          
            about what's to come. Now
          
                  
            2:04:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: I ask you, in the
world of cyclical happenings,
          
                  
            2:04:25
          
          
            wouldn't a second Yom Kippur war
be perfect? Oh, just in the just
          
                  
            2:04:32
          
          
            in the cyclical nature of
things, and I'll come back,
          
                  
            2:04:34
          
          
            John C Dvorak: interesting idea.
Just even think
          
                  
            2:04:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: of that. Just a
thought. Now we go to NPR, and
          
                  
            2:04:41
          
          
            let's just get a little update,
short one from from NPR. There's
          
                  
            2:04:45
          
          
            Unknown: a lot of speculation
over whether Israel will respond
          
                  
            2:04:48
          
          
            and what would be its targets.
          
                  
            2:04:51
          
          
            Iranian foreign minister Abbas
energy, in this video by AP
          
                  
            2:04:54
          
          
            news, warned Israel not to test
his country's resolve by
          
                  
            2:04:58
          
          
            launching an attack, saying
Iran. His response would be more
          
                  
            2:05:01
          
          
            powerful than last week's
ballistic missile attack. That
          
                  
            2:05:04
          
          
            was in response to Israel's
killing of top Hezbollah and
          
                  
            2:05:07
          
          
            Hamas leaders. Ergy said Tehran
stands fully behind its so
          
                  
            2:05:11
          
          
            called Axis of Resistance, which
includes Hezbollah and Hamas,
          
                  
            2:05:15
          
          
            and that he would soon be
traveling to Saudi Arabia and
          
                  
            2:05:17
          
          
            other regional countries to
discuss Israel's offensives in
          
                  
            2:05:21
          
          
            Gaza and Lebanon. There's
intense debate here in Israel
          
                  
            2:05:24
          
          
            about the scale and target of a
potential attack on Iran. Many
          
                  
            2:05:28
          
          
            experts believe it could be
against its energy sector.
          
                  
            2:05:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, so bear that
in mind, and he's also going to
          
                  
            2:05:33
          
          
            be roaming around talking to
people now we go to our retired
          
                  
            2:05:37
          
          
            generals, and the first one
coming right out of retirement,
          
                  
            2:05:41
          
          
            known for his seven count, the
famous Wes Clark seven is, in
          
                  
            2:05:46
          
          
            fact, General Wesley Clark, and
he's going to lay it all out for
          
                  
            2:05:51
          
          
            us.
          
                  
            2:05:51
          
          
            Unknown: Do you believe Bibi
Netanyahu will pull the trigger
          
                  
            2:05:54
          
          
            on Iran?
          
                  
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            I certainly do, and I believe he
should all the tragedy and
          
                  
            2:05:58
          
          
            Hamas, all that's going on with
Hezbollah is traceable to the
          
                  
            2:06:01
          
          
            source, and that's Iran. And so
this is the moment, and this is
          
                  
            2:06:06
          
          
            the situation in which Israel
has to strike and strike hard at
          
                  
            2:06:12
          
          
            Iran.
          
                  
            2:06:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: Guys. Hey, it's
number seven on the list. We got
          
                  
            2:06:15
          
          
            this the final one. We got to
complete my West Clark seven.
          
                  
            2:06:18
          
          
            What
          
                  
            2:06:18
          
          
            Unknown: do you make of the move
by Emmanuel Macron to withhold
          
                  
            2:06:21
          
          
            weapons.
          
                  
            2:06:22
          
          
            Well, I think he's responding
probably to domestic pressure in
          
                  
            2:06:25
          
          
            France, but it's a certainly
misguided effort. If he wants to
          
                  
            2:06:30
          
          
            make a difference, he should
endeavor to have religious
          
                  
            2:06:33
          
          
            leaders in France call together
common a bring common aid in
          
                  
            2:06:37
          
          
            Jerusalem, have the pope there
tell common aid to renounce his
          
                  
            2:06:40
          
          
            claims, his efforts to destroy
Israel and kill all its people.
          
                  
            2:06:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: I love. I love this.
First of all, I like they. Says
          
                  
            2:06:48
          
          
            common a, common a, instead of
Khomeini, he says common A. So
          
                  
            2:06:53
          
          
            his idea is, get the Pope, bring
the pope over, have common A and
          
                  
            2:07:01
          
          
            the Pope, we got to do a photo
op, common A, and we'll all
          
                  
            2:07:04
          
          
            shake hands like a big Camp
David though in Israel, and
          
                  
            2:07:08
          
          
            Khamenei and the Pope. And what
it'll be good if you
          
                  
            2:07:11
          
          
            Unknown: go to the source,
that's the way you deal with
          
                  
            2:07:14
          
          
            this. And Iran is the source,
and Khamenei is the key person.
          
                  
            2:07:19
          
          
            One
          
                  
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            more question for you. There
have been some who say that if
          
                  
            2:07:22
          
          
            Israel were to strike,
particularly Iran's oil, that
          
                  
            2:07:26
          
          
            this would spark world war
three. Give us your perspective,
          
                  
            2:07:31
          
          
            considering all the years you
have as an experienced commander
          
                  
            2:07:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: in ruining other
countries in NATO,
          
                  
            2:07:38
          
          
            Unknown: well, I don't think
their strike on their oil is
          
                  
            2:07:41
          
          
            going to spark world war three.
I don't think World War Three is
          
                  
            2:07:45
          
          
            in the offing right now, but I
do say this Iran is on the verge
          
                  
            2:07:48
          
          
            of having nuclear weapons. Maybe
it has them. Now. It has those.
          
                  
            2:07:52
          
          
            Everything's different. This
regime in the in Iran, it has to
          
                  
            2:07:57
          
          
            go now. I can change its tune.
If it says okay to live with its
          
                  
            2:08:01
          
          
            neighbors, fine if it continues
to insist that its whole effort
          
                  
            2:08:06
          
          
            is directed at the destruction
of a neighboring state in the
          
                  
            2:08:10
          
          
            21st century, that's not
permitted. No. So this is a
          
                  
            2:08:14
          
          
            moment for Israel to assert
itself, to strike back and to
          
                  
            2:08:20
          
          
            gain dominance in the region
over Iran. So
          
                  
            2:08:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: that sounds to me
like regime change is what he's
          
                  
            2:08:27
          
          
            saying here. We just have to
change those guys. Everything
          
                  
            2:08:30
          
          
            else is fine. It's not going to
start world war three. No
          
                  
            2:08:34
          
          
            proving once again, we have the
best producers in the universe.
          
                  
            2:08:37
          
          
            One of our producers was at an
investor dinner. And I This must
          
                  
            2:08:44
          
          
            have been pretty high end,
because they brought in as a
          
                  
            2:08:47
          
          
            dinner speaker, General Milley.
And our producer gave me a big
          
                  
            2:08:54
          
          
            Mike, Big Mike, General Mike,
          
                  
            2:08:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: the other big
Mike, the
          
                  
            2:08:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: other big Mike, gave
me a little rundown of what he
          
                  
            2:09:02
          
          
            said. Took notes, and I think
it's it's worth sharing. History
          
                  
            2:09:05
          
          
            is cyclical. He said, The Treaty
of Westphalia in 1648 ended the
          
                  
            2:09:11
          
          
            30 Years War and set the West up
for 100 years of peace between
          
                  
            2:09:14
          
          
            large powers broken by the Seven
Years War, the French and Indian
          
                  
            2:09:19
          
          
            War around 1750 then the
constant state of war, until
          
                  
            2:09:23
          
          
            Congress of Vienna established
the Concert of Europe in 18,
          
                  
            2:09:27
          
          
            5015 then there was peace
amongst large powers for 100
          
                  
            2:09:32
          
          
            years, until World War One, from
Fort to 1914 to 1945 with World
          
                  
            2:09:36
          
          
            War Two, we are now 80 years
into the current peace
          
                  
            2:09:40
          
          
            established by rules based under
imposed rules based order
          
                  
            2:09:45
          
          
            imposed after World War Two. The
next 20 years will be very
          
                  
            2:09:49
          
          
            interesting. China, Russia and
Iran have every incentive to
          
                  
            2:09:52
          
          
            overthrow the rules based order
that's governed the world since
          
                  
            2:09:56
          
          
            the Americans came up with it in
new in a New Hampshire hotel in
          
                  
            2:09:59
          
          
            19. 44 he says that was Bretton
Woods, China building the
          
                  
            2:10:04
          
          
            military with an eye on seizing
Taiwan. Xi says he wants to take
          
                  
            2:10:09
          
          
            it by 2027 which would be the
100 year anniversary of the
          
                  
            2:10:14
          
          
            People's Liberation Army. He
says, maybe, but China lacks
          
                  
            2:10:19
          
          
            experience and may underestimate
the difficulty of it important
          
                  
            2:10:22
          
          
            that they continue to wonder if
the US would intervene. Ah,
          
                  
            2:10:26
          
          
            that's so we need to keep
rattling the sabers. Gaza,
          
                  
            2:10:31
          
          
            Israel is responding to this
horrific attack. Imagine what we
          
                  
            2:10:35
          
          
            do. They've been fairly
successful with their strategic
          
                  
            2:10:38
          
          
            goal of destroying Hamas about
two thirds of the way there.
          
                  
            2:10:42
          
          
            They haven't gotten all of their
leadership yet, but it's coming
          
                  
            2:10:44
          
          
            soon. Their challenge going
forward is that they lack a
          
                  
            2:10:49
          
          
            political message. All war is
politics administered through
          
                  
            2:10:52
          
          
            organized violence. That's a
good statement.
          
                  
            2:10:56
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I like that one.
          
                  
            2:10:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: All wars politics
administered through organized
          
                  
            2:11:00
          
          
            violence, need an alternative
path to sell it to the
          
                  
            2:11:02
          
          
            Palestinians continued
collateral damage, civilian
          
                  
            2:11:05
          
          
            deaths makes it harder. It may
require an Arab peace
          
                  
            2:11:09
          
          
            enforcement troops, maybe from
Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
          
                  
            2:11:13
          
          
            Notice, we have Netanyahu going
on a little tour Iran. Israel
          
                  
            2:11:22
          
          
            will hit Iran, but they'll
probably wait until after the
          
                  
            2:11:25
          
          
            High Holy Days conclude next
week, probably a mix of
          
                  
            2:11:28
          
          
            military, economic and symbolic
targets. He said, Maybe I'm
          
                  
            2:11:32
          
          
            wrong. They might go downtown
either way. Going downtown
          
                  
            2:11:37
          
          
            either way, it will be a strong
message of, don't do that again,
          
                  
            2:11:41
          
          
            but stopping short of delivering
a devastating hit, neither
          
                  
            2:11:44
          
          
            Israel nor Iran won a full
direct war. But sometimes wars
          
                  
            2:11:47
          
          
            happen even when they aren't
wanted. Would the US get
          
                  
            2:11:49
          
          
            involved? Well, the country is a
third bigger than Iraq, with
          
                  
            2:11:53
          
          
            bigger military, we could deal
with it, but at a significant
          
                  
            2:11:56
          
          
            cost, so unlikely. Nuclear now,
they are only days or weeks away
          
                  
            2:12:01
          
          
            from having enough uranium goo.
However, Millie says it will
          
                  
            2:12:06
          
          
            still take quite a period of
time to package that into a
          
                  
            2:12:10
          
          
            missile. So there's something,
there's something different from
          
                  
            2:12:14
          
          
            from Wesley Clark,
          
                  
            2:12:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it's always a
couple weeks away. Well,
          
                  
            2:12:17
          
          
            Adam Curry: that's just for the
goo. It'll take much longer to
          
                  
            2:12:20
          
          
            package it into a missile? Yeah,
they
          
                  
            2:12:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: keep changing the
target supremely. I'm I'm going
          
                  
            2:12:26
          
          
            with our thesis that this whole
thing is a sham. I'm and the
          
                  
            2:12:32
          
          
            fact that they've been talking
about the nuke, the nuke being a
          
                  
            2:12:36
          
          
            week away, a week away, a couple
weeks away, four years, next
          
                  
            2:12:40
          
          
            month, for a decade, years,
decade. Is it possible that at
          
                  
            2:12:44
          
          
            some point years ago they
figured out they can't do this?
          
                  
            2:12:50
          
          
            Maybe none of it works, and
maybe none of it works. And so
          
                  
            2:12:53
          
          
            they're going to say, well,
let's, let's change our
          
                  
            2:12:56
          
          
            policies, but we have to do this
slowly. So let's get rid of
          
                  
            2:12:59
          
          
            this, these terrorist groups,
somehow we have to go in cahoots
          
                  
            2:13:03
          
          
            with other people to do this,
because we can't do it, because
          
                  
            2:13:05
          
          
            it would make us look bad. We
want to stay in power. And so
          
                  
            2:13:08
          
          
            the whole, it's a whole thing
is, is is a, is a, is a sham.
          
                  
            2:13:14
          
          
            The common needs, because
there's no evidence of the
          
                  
            2:13:16
          
          
            contrary. And even if Israel
sends a couple of missiles over
          
                  
            2:13:21
          
          
            there gonna hit anything, no.
And the 200 missiles that were
          
                  
            2:13:26
          
          
            sent toward Israel, they didn't
hit anything. They killed some
          
                  
            2:13:28
          
          
            one of them, but the poor guy
got hit by a fragment I sent you
          
                  
            2:13:32
          
          
            that video. After the most
disgusting thing, you wonder
          
                  
            2:13:37
          
          
            whether it's real car two that's
what I wonder about it. How does
          
                  
            2:13:42
          
          
            Adam Curry: that even happen?
How does that even happen?
          
                  
            2:13:45
          
          
            Anyway, he goes on to about the
future of warfare, which I think
          
                  
            2:13:49
          
          
            is the final interesting point,
the nature of war doesn't change
          
                  
            2:13:53
          
          
            through history, but character
of war does, tactics and
          
                  
            2:13:56
          
          
            technology. Example, gun range
increased from 70 yards to 400
          
                  
            2:14:00
          
          
            yards between American
Revolution and the Civil War.
          
                  
            2:14:03
          
          
            Generals were slow to adapt to
it, and it was a bloodbath in
          
                  
            2:14:06
          
          
            World War Two, the Germans,
Brits and French had had the
          
                  
            2:14:10
          
          
            same new tank tech, radio comms
and air support, but the Germans
          
                  
            2:14:13
          
          
            came up with the best system,
the panzer divisions, and
          
                  
            2:14:16
          
          
            steamrolled Europe in 18 months,
including a larger French army
          
                  
            2:14:20
          
          
            looking ahead, 1/3 of the US
military will be robots in 15
          
                  
            2:14:25
          
          
            years, drone tanks, sailorless
ships, more UAVs, etc. China and
          
                  
            2:14:31
          
          
            Russia will try to do the same,
armed robots, powered by here it
          
                  
            2:14:35
          
          
            comes, AI and quantum computing
will have you
          
                  
            2:14:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: said, quantum
computing? Yes. Know what it is,
          
                  
            2:14:42
          
          
            we'll
          
                  
            2:14:42
          
          
            Adam Curry: have terrifying
capabilities. This way goes off
          
                  
            2:14:47
          
          
            the rails, yeah? So we don't
need to invite General Milley
          
                  
            2:14:50
          
          
            for our after dinner
conversation.
          
                  
            2:14:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: He's like, he
does have a historic he likes to
          
                  
            2:14:54
          
          
            do his historic stuff, yeah,
doing historic stuff. And.
          
                  
            2:15:00
          
          
            Analyzing it is hindsight doing
foresight. He's got nothing he
          
                  
            2:15:05
          
          
            can't rope into the future robot
AI and quantum computing. Now,
          
                  
            2:15:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: chum, I tell you, if
you really want to know what is
          
                  
            2:15:13
          
          
            happening in the future of
warfare, we must look to the
          
                  
            2:15:18
          
          
            NATO. And the NATO, as you know,
is now run by our former prime
          
                  
            2:15:24
          
          
            minister from the Netherlands,
Mark.
          
                  
            2:15:27
          
          
            Unknown: It's crucial for
Ukraine to prevail, and we have
          
                  
            2:15:32
          
          
            to afford that. Putin has his
way with and in Ukraine, because
          
                  
            2:15:38
          
          
            there's not only a problem for
Ukraine, there's also a threat
          
                  
            2:15:41
          
          
            to all of us here in the UK,
          
                  
            2:15:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: everybody, everybody
is threatened, huh?
          
                  
            2:15:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I bought your
accent, yes, because I listened
          
                  
            2:15:51
          
          
            to this. I think you, you've got
It's fabulous. I wish I could do
          
                  
            2:15:55
          
          
            it, but there's a couple of
things you might want to do.
          
                  
            2:15:57
          
          
            Okay? One, they go a lot more
than you do. Yes, okay. And the
          
                  
            2:16:05
          
          
            other thing is, he changes his
Ruta, he changes his cadence, he
          
                  
            2:16:11
          
          
            talks at a certain speed, then
he speeds up, and then he slows
          
                  
            2:16:14
          
          
            down, and that little element
you have yet to Cat capture.
          
                  
            2:16:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, okay, I will
          
                  
            2:16:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: just do it.
          
                  
            2:16:23
          
          
            Adam Curry: Very good in the
future of us,
          
                  
            2:16:24
          
          
            Unknown: here in the UK, all
over NATO, including Canada and
          
                  
            2:16:28
          
          
            the US. If Russia would be
successful in Ukraine, it would
          
                  
            2:16:32
          
          
            be a security threat to all of
us. So we have to massively,
          
                  
            2:16:35
          
          
            massively learn how to speak
Russian. Continue what we are
          
                  
            2:16:39
          
          
            doing first, and that is to put
military aid into Ukraine. Yes,
          
                  
            2:16:43
          
          
            some aid to make sure that we
have enough training ready for
          
                  
            2:16:47
          
          
            the soldiers, the brave soldiers
from Ukraine. And
          
                  
            2:16:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: we must have some
training ready for the soldiers,
          
                  
            2:16:54
          
          
            brave soldiers, brave very brave
soldiers.
          
                  
            2:16:57
          
          
            Unknown: The brave people were
working there to the dead
          
                  
            2:17:00
          
          
            people. You mean counter the
Russian Russian onslaught. At
          
                  
            2:17:03
          
          
            the same time, we have to
implement what we agreed in
          
                  
            2:17:05
          
          
            Washington during the summit.
But particularly, this is the
          
                  
            2:17:08
          
          
            command we are now setting up in
Germany.
          
                  
            2:17:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, command, oh,
Germany is going to take all the
          
                  
            2:17:13
          
          
            hits. Great.
          
                  
            2:17:14
          
          
            Unknown: Basically, coordinate
all the activities. Oh yes,
          
                  
            2:17:17
          
          
            NATO.
          
                  
            2:17:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh yes. Let Putin go
get mad at the Germans allies
          
                  
            2:17:21
          
          
            Unknown: and others to make sure
that this aid gets into Ukraine.
          
                  
            2:17:24
          
          
            And of course, the so called 40
billion euro plus so
          
                  
            2:17:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: called that is not
so called. It is heal, and we
          
                  
            2:17:31
          
          
            stole it from the Russians,
          
                  
            2:17:33
          
          
            Unknown: where we decided
collectively to make sure that
          
                  
            2:17:36
          
          
            the money is available long
term. And this is, of course, at
          
                  
            2:17:40
          
          
            least for the first year, but
then also longer term, we have
          
                  
            2:17:42
          
          
            to find that money. Yes, and we
have to work on the bilateral
          
                  
            2:17:46
          
          
            security agreements, as they are
now being negotiated between
          
                  
            2:17:51
          
          
            Ukraine and various allies. He's
          
                  
            2:17:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: negotiating between
Ukraine and various allies.
          
                  
            2:17:57
          
          
            There's no letting up. We're
going to continue, continue to
          
                  
            2:18:00
          
          
            how about the long range
weapons? But would
          
                  
            2:18:02
          
          
            Unknown: you support Ukraine
being given access to longer
          
                  
            2:18:05
          
          
            range missiles to be able to
fire those deeper into Russia?
          
                  
            2:18:10
          
          
            Militarily, we've heard from
former senior commanders in
          
                  
            2:18:14
          
          
            Europe saying that Ukraine's
allies need to be firmer that
          
                  
            2:18:19
          
          
            dither and delay, as one of them
put it, is not in Ukraine's
          
                  
            2:18:24
          
          
            interest. So would you
personally support the use by
          
                  
            2:18:27
          
          
            Ukraine of longer range missiles
to fire deeper into Russia?
          
                  
            2:18:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, let me say
this about that.
          
                  
            2:18:34
          
          
            Unknown: Let me be very
specific. First of all, Ukraine
          
                  
            2:18:38
          
          
            is allowed illegally to strike
targets in Russia. When who
          
                  
            2:18:43
          
          
            makes
          
                  
            2:18:43
          
          
            Adam Curry: up these laws
          
                  
            2:18:46
          
          
            Unknown: illegally? Leaders,
what
          
                  
            2:18:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, is there
some who edict? Was there some
          
                  
            2:18:52
          
          
            is law passed?
          
                  
            2:18:53
          
          
            Adam Curry: Is there some kind
of war? Law is Geneva? First
          
                  
            2:18:57
          
          
            Unknown: of all, Ukraine is
allowed illegally, legally,
          
                  
            2:19:03
          
          
            legally, talking about I mark
          
                  
            2:19:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: Rita have said it is
legal. You can go ahead
          
                  
            2:19:10
          
          
            Unknown: illegally to strike
targets in Russia when these
          
                  
            2:19:13
          
          
            targets pose a threat to
Ukraine. So legally, this is
          
                  
            2:19:18
          
          
            possible. Legally
          
                  
            2:19:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: go to court over
this. What are they talking
          
                  
            2:19:23
          
          
            about? Yes, hello, Vladimir.
Just send the police in.
          
                  
            2:19:28
          
          
            Unknown: And my second element
of my house will be that it is
          
                  
            2:19:32
          
          
            not one weapon system which will
change the outcome of this
          
                  
            2:19:35
          
          
            conflict. No,
          
                  
            2:19:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: we need many weapons
spend the money. And
          
                  
            2:19:40
          
          
            Unknown: then, of course, it is
up to the individual allies to
          
                  
            2:19:42
          
          
            decide when they deliver weapon
systems into Ukraine, how they
          
                  
            2:19:46
          
          
            can be used, what kinds of
commitments they give in terms
          
                  
            2:19:51
          
          
            of for Ukraine, where is he
going to get specific like he
          
                  
            2:19:54
          
          
            promised to use the systems?
This is not up to the alliance
          
                  
            2:19:57
          
          
            as a whole. This is up to the
individual.
          
                  
            2:20:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: All ally members.
Okay, one last clip from
          
                  
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            Margarita about Ukraine becoming
a NATO member. We
          
                  
            2:20:09
          
          
            Unknown: saw recently the Slovak
prime minister saying that as
          
                  
            2:20:11
          
          
            long as he's in power, he will
block Ukrainian membership. What
          
                  
            2:20:14
          
          
            are you going to do to try to
build consensus on that? Well,
          
                  
            2:20:17
          
          
            clearly, what
          
                  
            2:20:17
          
          
            we decided in Washington
unanimously is that there is an
          
                  
            2:20:22
          
          
            irreversible path towards
membership of NATO for Ukraine,
          
                  
            2:20:27
          
          
            irreversible.
          
                  
            2:20:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: And then, of course,
yes, irreversible. Once they
          
                  
            2:20:31
          
          
            start, they cannot go back. We
keep them going on the track
          
                  
            2:20:35
          
          
            Unknown: towards membership of
NATO for Ukraine. And then, of
          
                  
            2:20:39
          
          
            course, the question is, how to
take this to the next the next
          
                  
            2:20:43
          
          
            steps and the next stage, and it
really has to be done step by
          
                  
            2:20:49
          
          
            step. And that's something, of
course, amongst allies we will
          
                  
            2:20:51
          
          
            discuss over the coming month,
including up to the Summit in
          
                  
            2:20:55
          
          
            the Hague and beyond. Because
this is a very sensitive issue.
          
                  
            2:20:58
          
          
            It is an important issue, yes,
but I said last week in Kyiv and
          
                  
            2:21:02
          
          
            I visited Volodymyr Zelensky and
his team. Yes,
          
                  
            2:21:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: with his team, we
had a nice team. I said, a drink
          
                  
            2:21:08
          
          
            with his team. I visited
Volodymyr Zelensky. Is
          
                  
            2:21:11
          
          
            Unknown: that one thing has to
be absolutely clear, one thing
          
                  
            2:21:13
          
          
            that Russia does not have a vote
on this, and that Russia does
          
                  
            2:21:17
          
          
            not have a veto on this? No,
that would not be legal. Every
          
                  
            2:21:22
          
          
            country in the area of NATO can
apply for membership, and that
          
                  
            2:21:28
          
          
            is a sovereign decision for that
inevitable country.
          
                  
            2:21:33
          
          
            Adam Curry: What a sales guy,
and he comes across so
          
                  
            2:21:36
          
          
            confidently. I'm Margarita. I
want to make it all happen. I'm
          
                  
            2:21:42
          
          
            gonna get that Vladimir,
          
                  
            2:21:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: me and my boys,
irreversible. It's not
          
                  
            2:21:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: it's it's legal.
Come on, man, pull the trigger.
          
                  
            2:21:52
          
          
            It's legal. Do it? Do it.
Volodymyr, if anyone's gonna
          
                  
            2:21:56
          
          
            start world war three, it's that
guy. Yes, that guy is no good,
          
                  
            2:22:02
          
          
            and we know he's no good. The
Dutch know he's no good. We know
          
                  
            2:22:06
          
          
            it
          
                  
            2:22:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: well. He's no
good, he's no good,
          
                  
            2:22:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: he's no good. So
this came in, which I have let
          
                  
            2:22:19
          
          
            me see. I think I have a longer
clip here. Let me play this a
          
                  
            2:22:23
          
          
            longer clip. This is about
Google, Google and the
          
                  
            2:22:27
          
          
            Department of Justice. And this
is interesting because I
          
                  
            2:22:31
          
          
            received a document today that I
think pertains to it.
          
                  
            2:22:34
          
          
            Unknown: So it is getting harder
and harder for markets to remain
          
                  
            2:22:36
          
          
            complacent. Shares fell by more
than 2% yesterday, and as we've
          
                  
            2:22:41
          
          
            been mentioning, alphabet is the
cheapest Magnificent Seven stock
          
                  
            2:22:45
          
          
            by forward PE multiple. So yes,
cases, they can take years, even
          
                  
            2:22:49
          
          
            if we have a decision, because
Google will appeal. But
          
                  
            2:22:53
          
          
            injunctions, as we now see, can
take down walled gardens and in
          
                  
            2:22:57
          
          
            the meantime, create openings
for competitors at Google's
          
                  
            2:23:00
          
          
            bottom line, the judge in the
epic case ordered an injunction
          
                  
            2:23:04
          
          
            yesterday that breaks open
Google's Android's App Store
          
                  
            2:23:07
          
          
            monopoly. Now he ruled that for
the next three years, Google
          
                  
            2:23:10
          
          
            must allow developers to bring
their own app stores to the
          
                  
            2:23:14
          
          
            operating system. Now the aim is
to reduce fees for developers,
          
                  
            2:23:18
          
          
            which currently must fork over
15 to 30% of their user payments
          
                  
            2:23:21
          
          
            made within that Google
ecosystem, but by allowing them
          
                  
            2:23:25
          
          
            to bypass it, bypass the walled
garden Google's App Store
          
                  
            2:23:28
          
          
            transactions, they will take a
hit in 2019 the information
          
                  
            2:23:33
          
          
            estimates that it made up 20% of
alphabets operating income. So
          
                  
            2:23:37
          
          
            that is a significant amount.
Google says, for its own part,
          
                  
            2:23:41
          
          
            that the verdict missed the
obvious, that Apple and Android,
          
                  
            2:23:44
          
          
            quote clearly compete and says
it will appeal. But in the
          
                  
            2:23:47
          
          
            meantime, this injunction could
do some damage. Now, the epic
          
                  
            2:23:50
          
          
            case that's resulting in an
opening up, the potentially
          
                  
            2:23:53
          
          
            bigger threat is a breaking up,
and that is in the cards for the
          
                  
            2:23:57
          
          
            DOJ case, which we are expecting
remedies today, and it will
          
                  
            2:24:00
          
          
            likely include a list of
options, from forcing Google to
          
                  
            2:24:04
          
          
            give wider access to search
data, to restrictions on
          
                  
            2:24:07
          
          
            exclusivity deals, to a breakup
of its business units. That, of
          
                  
            2:24:11
          
          
            course, would be the most
extreme option.
          
                  
            2:24:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: So this kind of
just, I mean, yeah, the epic
          
                  
            2:24:16
          
          
            case has been going on for a
while, and the judge may have
          
                  
            2:24:19
          
          
            some power to do some things,
but Google's going to appeal
          
                  
            2:24:22
          
          
            everything, and they'll just
keep this going forever. But it
          
                  
            2:24:25
          
          
            was in light. I played this clip
in light of a document I got to
          
                  
            2:24:29
          
          
            just today, actually, from the
oil baron, from James Comer, the
          
                  
            2:24:34
          
          
            Chairman of the Committee on
Oversight and Accountability,
          
                  
            2:24:37
          
          
            with a scathing letter to Linda
Khan Khan, who is the FTC
          
                  
            2:24:45
          
          
            Commissioner, and summarizing,
he's saying, Hey, you are a
          
                  
            2:24:52
          
          
            shill for the Democrats. If
you're going out there, you're
          
                  
            2:24:56
          
          
            doing all kinds of things. You
know. But you're, you're
          
                  
            2:25:00
          
          
            shilling for the Biden Harris or
for the for the Harris team.
          
                  
            2:25:06
          
          
            You're doing all kinds you're
running political cover, you're
          
                  
            2:25:10
          
          
            threatening all kinds of
companies, and just reading
          
                  
            2:25:13
          
          
            through this like, Huh? Do you
think that this what's happening
          
                  
            2:25:18
          
          
            now suddenly that this is a
message to Google, like you
          
                  
            2:25:23
          
          
            better. You better continue
doing what we agreed you do with
          
                  
            2:25:27
          
          
            searches and how things show up
and what videos you surface or
          
                  
            2:25:33
          
          
            don't surface on Google. On
YouTube feels like there's feels
          
                  
            2:25:38
          
          
            like there's a little bit of
scam. Yes, yes. It's a scam. If
          
                  
            2:25:41
          
          
            you're
          
                  
            2:25:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: going to go out
this idea about the about the
          
                  
            2:25:46
          
          
            Google Store, yeah, what about
the Apple Store? Talk about your
          
                  
            2:25:50
          
          
            walled garden?
          
                  
            2:25:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, Apple doesn't
have a huge consumer search
          
                  
            2:25:56
          
          
            business.
          
                  
            2:25:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Search thing that
that is different then, yeah.
          
                  
            2:26:00
          
          
            And if the search is skewed, and
they wanted to remain skewed,
          
                  
            2:26:05
          
          
            and they've got guests, they're
getting so much flack about it
          
                  
            2:26:07
          
          
            that they're maybe they're, the
skew is not as bad as it should
          
                  
            2:26:11
          
          
            be. It's got to be more skewed.
Yeah. I mean, this is the same
          
                  
            2:26:14
          
          
            as the reports. I have a bunch
of clips on this. The New York
          
                  
            2:26:18
          
          
            Times do it. Did I get these
clips? New York Times? Yeah,
          
                  
            2:26:22
          
          
            yeah. This is kind of this talks
about, unfortunately, this thing
          
                  
            2:26:26
          
          
            went on for 15 minutes. I don't
think I even got the gist of it
          
                  
            2:26:30
          
          
            correctly, but it would. It was
just, was too hard, yeah, but it
          
                  
            2:26:34
          
          
            was about how the left is
bitching about, and we noticed
          
                  
            2:26:38
          
          
            this. Because you notice it. I
noticed it. If you go to
          
                  
            2:26:40
          
          
            Mastodon, they're all these
lefties are on Mastodon,
          
                  
            2:26:44
          
          
            bitching and moaning about the
New York Times are not going
          
                  
            2:26:47
          
          
            after Trump enough.
          
                  
            2:26:48
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh my god, you mean
Jarvis and and Rose,
          
                  
            2:26:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Jarvis and
everybody. Every journalist
          
                  
            2:26:55
          
          
            that's on Mastodon is going on
and on about we should be more
          
                  
            2:26:58
          
          
            proactive. Yes,
          
                  
            2:26:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: you're not, you're
not doing it right. New the
          
                  
            2:27:01
          
          
            broken hashtag, broken New York
Times,
          
                  
            2:27:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: yeah, and the
people that are still on the
          
                  
            2:27:07
          
          
            dead bird,
          
                  
            2:27:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: hey, get with it,
you old fogies podcast things
          
                  
            2:27:13
          
          
            where it's at. And
          
                  
            2:27:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: so even play a
couple of these clips to see if
          
                  
            2:27:17
          
          
            you can get a All
          
                  
            2:27:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: right, just where's
this from? This New York Times
          
                  
            2:27:21
          
          
            report. This
          
                  
            2:27:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: is a New York
Times report that another NPR,
          
                  
            2:27:25
          
          
            fine,
          
                  
            2:27:27
          
          
            Adam Curry: really. Sorry. Okay,
all right, here we go.
          
                  
            2:27:30
          
          
            Unknown: Social media
influencers are a big part of
          
                  
            2:27:33
          
          
            this year's election. They Whoa.
What happened to the podcasters?
          
                  
            2:27:37
          
          
            Social media influencers are a
big part of this year's
          
                  
            2:27:40
          
          
            election, they translate the
news for their followers, but
          
                  
            2:27:43
          
          
            the news they spread has to come
from somewhere, often a news
          
                  
            2:27:46
          
          
            organization. So we're talking
with a behind the scenes
          
                  
            2:27:50
          
          
            influencer, Joe Kahn, executive
editor of the New York Times,
          
                  
            2:27:54
          
          
            in people's minds, there's very
little neutral middle ground in
          
                  
            2:27:58
          
          
            our mind. It is the ground that
we are determined to occupy.
          
                  
            2:28:02
          
          
            Joe Kahn is a Pulitzer Prize
winning reporter who now runs
          
                  
            2:28:05
          
          
            the times newsroom. We met him
at the Times headquarters
          
                  
            2:28:07
          
          
            building in Manhattan. There is,
as you know very well, a long
          
                  
            2:28:11
          
          
            standing conservative or
republican critique of the New
          
                  
            2:28:13
          
          
            York Times, but the special
passion in criticism of the
          
                  
            2:28:17
          
          
            times in this election cycle
seems to me to be on the left.
          
                  
            2:28:21
          
          
            You're nodding. Why do you think
that is
          
                  
            2:28:23
          
          
            it's a good question, and I
struggle with it often, because
          
                  
            2:28:27
          
          
            the left has really high
expectations of the New York
          
                  
            2:28:30
          
          
            Times. I think some of them
honestly distorted.
          
                  
            2:28:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I just thought
that was such a giveaway. Yeah,
          
                  
            2:28:38
          
          
            he's nodding. Yeah. I don't get
it. I don't understand why the
          
                  
            2:28:41
          
          
            lefty, because they're always
been our biggest fans. Yeah, I
          
                  
            2:28:46
          
          
            said we were, oh, that you said,
Oh, I
          
                  
            2:28:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: know it's like 15 to
13. Now, I know, I know it's
          
                  
            2:28:54
          
          
            bad. I blame Tina.
          
                  
            2:28:55
          
          
            John C Dvorak: It does help when
you point it out. Yes. So let's
          
                  
            2:29:01
          
          
            just part two of this. If you've
          
                  
            2:29:04
          
          
            Unknown: heard about Project
2025, a conservative blueprint
          
                  
            2:29:07
          
          
            for a future Republican
administration, one reason may
          
                  
            2:29:10
          
          
            be that the times covered it a
lot last year. You
          
                  
            2:29:13
          
          
            know that's something that you
want to cover deeply, fully,
          
                  
            2:29:16
          
          
            fairly, and provide people with
some substance to analyze that.
          
                  
            2:29:21
          
          
            I'm thinking of one particular
story that we could pluck out of
          
                  
            2:29:24
          
          
            the river of Times coverage. And
I paraphrase here, but the story
          
                  
            2:29:28
          
          
            used the word plan. Harris has a
plan for housing. Trump has a
          
                  
            2:29:31
          
          
            plan for housing, and Trump's
plan is he's going to deport
          
                  
            2:29:35
          
          
            illegal immigrants and make more
room for everybody else. And I
          
                  
            2:29:37
          
          
            thought to myself, That's not
actually a plan, that's a
          
                  
            2:29:40
          
          
            slogan, and I'm just trying to
describe it accurately. Is that
          
                  
            2:29:44
          
          
            an example where maybe you were
trying a little too hard to be
          
                  
            2:29:47
          
          
            fair to each side?
          
                  
            2:29:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: How is that being
fair to each side? And this guy
          
                  
            2:29:55
          
          
            never what is Harris's plan? If.
It's never reported what his
          
                  
            2:30:02
          
          
            what her plan is, and this guy
was doing the reporting from NPR
          
                  
            2:30:06
          
          
            is obviously a Trump hater,
yeah, and it just comes through
          
                  
            2:30:10
          
          
            with this discussion. And I
think part three maybe bring a
          
                  
            2:30:13
          
          
            little more light to it. Well,
          
                  
            2:30:15
          
          
            Unknown: I think what we've
tried to do with respect to
          
                  
            2:30:17
          
          
            housing is housing's an
absolutely major problem. And we
          
                  
            2:30:22
          
          
            basically took it to both
campaigns and said, What would
          
                  
            2:30:24
          
          
            you do about this concretely?
Not just talk about it
          
                  
            2:30:27
          
          
            rhetorically, but what are your
plans? And Harris and the Harris
          
                  
            2:30:31
          
          
            campaign responded, and we
looked at their proposals and
          
                  
            2:30:34
          
          
            what they would do to move the
needle on that subject, and we
          
                  
            2:30:37
          
          
            asked the same thing of the
Trump people, you're absolutely
          
                  
            2:30:40
          
          
            right. Their response was, we
will deport immigrants who are
          
                  
            2:30:46
          
          
            occupying too much housing and
free that housing up for
          
                  
            2:30:50
          
          
            American citizens. And I think
we frontally pointed out in that
          
                  
            2:30:54
          
          
            piece that there's extremely
little evidence that illegal
          
                  
            2:30:57
          
          
            immigrants who would be deported
are occupying a significant
          
                  
            2:31:00
          
          
            chunk of housing, it would make
any difference at all in the
          
                  
            2:31:03
          
          
            affordable housing crisis. That
          
                  
            2:31:05
          
          
            was one of Khan's defenses
against the claim that his paper
          
                  
            2:31:07
          
          
            is soft pedaling. Donald Trump,
          
                  
            2:31:11
          
          
            John C Dvorak: what? How is that
soft pedaling? Donald Trump,
          
                  
            2:31:17
          
          
            they criticized his whole plan,
never mentioning what Harris's
          
                  
            2:31:20
          
          
            was, and this is somehow soft
peddling
          
                  
            2:31:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: here. Jeff Jarvis
posts a link to a New York Times
          
                  
            2:31:27
          
          
            opinion joy is working for
Harris. But can it close the
          
                  
            2:31:31
          
          
            deal? Jeff Jarvis's post sigh,
the media trope that voters need
          
                  
            2:31:39
          
          
            to learn more about Harris,
well, then do your job and
          
                  
            2:31:42
          
          
            inform them That's your job.
          
                  
            2:31:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Wow, yeah, you
probably just read those kinds
          
                  
            2:31:51
          
          
            of posts on mastodon. They're
not on Twitter, yeah, and I'll
          
                  
            2:31:56
          
          
            find them keep us entertained
for days.
          
                  
            2:31:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: Hashtag. Brokenpost
calls this, we are going to beat
          
                  
            2:32:02
          
          
            the reporters into retardation,
pugnacity, ridiculous peace. Why
          
                  
            2:32:07
          
          
            might he lose women? He's a damn
sexual predator. Say it is the
          
                  
            2:32:11
          
          
            Trump campaign's male dominated
culture losing women vote. Oh,
          
                  
            2:32:19
          
          
            my God. And then he posts the
Washington Post. What a pissy
          
                  
            2:32:24
          
          
            jealous piece of shit. This is
from the hashtag brokenpost. Oh
          
                  
            2:32:28
          
          
            god. Jeff Jarvis, calm down.
Take a CBD. It's grab a gum,
          
                  
            2:32:39
          
          
            John C Dvorak: grab something. I
mean, it's like, these are
          
                  
            2:32:43
          
          
            posted. These
          
                  
            2:32:43
          
          
            Adam Curry: are professionals.
          
                  
            2:32:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: It's journalism.
They're not opinion. They don't
          
                  
            2:32:49
          
          
            do it. If they were just opinion
writers, and this is an opinion
          
                  
            2:32:52
          
          
            that's fine, but that's not what
they claim to be. The whole
          
                  
            2:32:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: thing is falling
apart. That's the point. The
          
                  
            2:32:57
          
          
            whole mainstream media is
falling apart. They can't stand
          
                  
            2:33:01
          
          
            that people get their news from
Twitter. They can't stand that
          
                  
            2:33:04
          
          
            podcasts have millions of
listeners, and people like call
          
                  
            2:33:08
          
          
            her daddy and Rogan make
hundreds of millions of dollars.
          
                  
            2:33:12
          
          
            They're beside themselves with
envy and anger, and they just
          
                  
            2:33:16
          
          
            take it out on anything they
can. It's all Trump's fault?
          
                  
            2:33:21
          
          
            Well, of course, because he he
told everybody the fake news is
          
                  
            2:33:25
          
          
            the enemy of the people. And the
people went, huh, that's an
          
                  
            2:33:27
          
          
            interesting point.
          
                  
            2:33:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What I the
biggest kick I get out of this
          
                  
            2:33:34
          
          
            when he talked about it
initially, back in 2015 he said,
          
                  
            2:33:38
          
          
            and he made a point, says, Well,
you know? I said, Well, they're
          
                  
            2:33:40
          
          
            saying the news was the enemy of
the people. And they said, No. I
          
                  
            2:33:43
          
          
            said, the fake news is the enemy
of the people, right? It turns
          
                  
            2:33:46
          
          
            out that the original assertion
was true. It's the news. It's
          
                  
            2:33:50
          
          
            not the it's all of them.
They're the, literally, the
          
                  
            2:33:54
          
          
            enemy of the people. Yes, they
lie. And then you can see when
          
                  
            2:33:57
          
          
            it starts to come out of guys
who are supposedly journalists.
          
                  
            2:34:01
          
          
            And suppose you know reporters
and people are supposed to be
          
                  
            2:34:04
          
          
            objective, they're not
objective, and that those tweets
          
                  
            2:34:07
          
          
            from Jarvis are a good example.
That's not objectivity. Let's
          
                  
            2:34:10
          
          
            give nothing but free coverage
to Harris, because she's such a
          
                  
            2:34:14
          
          
            genius. She is a moron. Jeff,
she's an idiot. You can see it
          
                  
            2:34:19
          
          
            in her eyes. You can see it in
her responses. She's a stupid
          
                  
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            human being, and that's beyond
me that anyone does. Can't see
          
                  
            2:34:26
          
          
            this. It's it's obvious to most
people.
          
                  
            2:34:30
          
          
            Unknown: Go podcasting. I was
          
                  
            2:34:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: wondering what
you're gonna come up with.
          
                  
            2:34:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: Do we need to play
more of this? We need to
          
                  
            2:34:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: know the last
thing is another, completely
          
                  
            2:34:43
          
          
            different topic, and it's just
not important. All right.
          
                  
            2:34:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, then let me,
let me just play this one,
          
                  
            2:34:48
          
          
            because you won't, you won't
read this on x. It will be
          
                  
            2:34:51
          
          
            suppressed. You heard it here
          
                  
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            Unknown: for months. American
billionaire Elon Musk has been
          
                  
            2:34:56
          
          
            in the tug of war with the
Brazilian courts, but he has
          
                  
            2:34:58
          
          
            proven to be out. Muscled X will
once again be available in
          
                  
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            Brazil, as the Supreme Court on
Tuesday, ordered the
          
                  
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            reinstatement of the social
network throughout the country.
          
                  
            2:35:09
          
          
            X welcome the news. X
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: is proud to return
to Brazil. We will continue to
          
                  
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            defend freedom of speech within
the boundaries of the law
          
                  
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            everywhere we operate.
          
                  
            2:35:20
          
          
            Unknown: Supreme Court Judge
Alexandra de Morice cited
          
                  
            2:35:23
          
          
            insufficient safeguards against
disinformation when blocking x
          
                  
            2:35:27
          
          
            in August, a ruling that ex
owner Elon Musk vowed to fight,
          
                  
            2:35:31
          
          
            but instead he capitulated. In
addition to paying a fine of
          
                  
            2:35:35
          
          
            nearly 5 million euros, the
social network has agreed to
          
                  
            2:35:38
          
          
            appoint a new legal
representative in the country
          
                  
            2:35:41
          
          
            and delete accounts with links
to the far right. One of the
          
                  
            2:35:45
          
          
            reasons for Musk's change of
heart pressure from investors.
          
                  
            2:35:49
          
          
            With its 22 million users,
Brazil is the largest economy in
          
                  
            2:35:53
          
          
            Latin America and a major source
of revenue for X, another of the
          
                  
            2:35:58
          
          
            American billionaires,
companies, Internet Service
          
                  
            2:36:00
          
          
            Provider Starlink also suffered
from excess suspension. Its bank
          
                  
            2:36:05
          
          
            accounts and financial assets
were temporarily frozen in order
          
                  
            2:36:08
          
          
            to cover fines and post on x
          
                  
            2:36:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, okay, I guess
money does matter over free
          
                  
            2:36:14
          
          
            speech
          
                  
            2:36:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: free Well, it
would for you too. It would for
          
                  
            2:36:18
          
          
            anybody's not dumb, no,
          
                  
            2:36:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: but I'm not going
out there saying, Man, I'm never
          
                  
            2:36:22
          
          
            gonna do it. We gotta Screw you.
Nugget, I preach speech. I mean,
          
                  
            2:36:29
          
          
            What? What? Oh, what'd you say?
Investor, what? Starling, okay,
          
                  
            2:36:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: whatever you say
goes all right. Of course he
          
                  
            2:36:39
          
          
            did. Of course he wasn't. It was
a foregone conclusion he wasn't
          
                  
            2:36:42
          
          
            going to put up with his assets
being seized. And he knows these
          
                  
            2:36:45
          
          
            South American countries, they
love to nationalize stuff. Yes,
          
                  
            2:36:53
          
          
            that's nationalized. Starling,
yeah,
          
                  
            2:36:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: I have one more
story here, just a little
          
                  
            2:36:59
          
          
            update, because, speaking of
Elon, when is he going to take
          
                  
            2:37:03
          
          
            over Boeing? Sticking
          
                  
            2:37:04
          
          
            Unknown: with corporate news
talks to end the month long
          
                  
            2:37:07
          
          
            strike at Boeing have broken
down and are not slated to
          
                  
            2:37:10
          
          
            resume at this time, Boeing
seemed especially frustrated
          
                  
            2:37:14
          
          
            with the union representing
roughly 33,000 striking
          
                  
            2:37:17
          
          
            machinists, a Boeing executive
told employees in a note. Quote,
          
                  
            2:37:21
          
          
            unfortunately, the Union did not
seriously consider our
          
                  
            2:37:25
          
          
            proposals. As a result, Boeing
has ripped up an offer it called
          
                  
            2:37:29
          
          
            its quote best and final that
would have boosted pay by 30%
          
                  
            2:37:34
          
          
            the union, however, is not
backing down. Union members are
          
                  
            2:37:37
          
          
            holding out for a 40% raise as
part of a long list of
          
                  
            2:37:41
          
          
            grievances. Quote, they refuse
to propose any wage increases,
          
                  
            2:37:44
          
          
            vacation, sick leave, accrual,
progression, ratification bonus,
          
                  
            2:37:48
          
          
            or the 401 K match. The Union
told Reuters, adding both, they
          
                  
            2:37:52
          
          
            also would not reinstate the
defined benefit pension. The
          
                  
            2:37:56
          
          
            strike has pushed Boeing deeper
into the red. It's estimated to
          
                  
            2:38:00
          
          
            lose $1 billion a month,
according to s&p Global ratings,
          
                  
            2:38:04
          
          
            on top of the $60 billion debt
it is already carrying. With
          
                  
            2:38:09
          
          
            production shut down, Boeing is
being forced to furlough
          
                  
            2:38:12
          
          
            workers. It is also exploring
money raising efforts to remain
          
                  
            2:38:15
          
          
            afloat while the picket line
proves to be an impenetrable
          
                  
            2:38:19
          
          
            force.
          
                  
            2:38:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: This is bad. They
have effectively, negotiations
          
                  
            2:38:24
          
          
            are just done. They I was their
last and final offer. If you
          
                  
            2:38:28
          
          
            remember, this is bad? Yeah,
it's bad for workers. It's bad
          
                  
            2:38:34
          
          
            for our aero Defense, Space
industry, yeah, yeah, so, but I
          
                  
            2:38:40
          
          
            don't know how we're gonna make
all those
          
                  
            2:38:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: flying unlucky
jets again and
          
                  
            2:38:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: and these, uh, boa
and this is not really
          
                  
            2:38:47
          
          
            discussed. Is this only the
aircraft division, or is this
          
                  
            2:38:50
          
          
            all of Boeing? Does this include
the the bomb guys and the F 35
          
                  
            2:38:54
          
          
            guy? What'd be everybody? Yeah.
I mean, how are we gonna get
          
                  
            2:38:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to a billion a
month that affects all the
          
                  
            2:39:01
          
          
            divisions, how
          
                  
            2:39:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: are we going to get
Margarita all of his his
          
                  
            2:39:05
          
          
            weapons?
          
                  
            2:39:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, well,
there, there you go. That's the
          
                  
            2:39:09
          
          
            main concern.
          
                  
            2:39:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes, I think Elon
should expand his military
          
                  
            2:39:15
          
          
            contracting empire.
          
                  
            2:39:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I think he
launched to take over bowling.
          
                  
            2:39:19
          
          
            Yeah, he
          
                  
            2:39:19
          
          
            Adam Curry: can pretend he
invented that it's no problem.
          
                  
            2:39:23
          
          
            Unknown: Oh, I'm gonna show
          
                  
            2:39:24
          
          
            my saloon by donating to no
agenda. Imagine all the people
          
                  
            2:39:28
          
          
            who could do that.
          
                  
            2:39:29
          
          
            Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. We
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: want to thank the
rest of our producers who sent
          
                  
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            in some treasure for us to
enjoy, and we appreciate any
          
                  
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            amount anybody sends at any
time. You can make that up
          
                  
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            yourself. There's no obligation.
We have no premium content
          
                  
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out of that today from these
          
                  
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            guys. So we send something back
to them. We read everything,
          
                  
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            every note, every donation, $50
and above. What are you
          
                  
            2:40:08
          
          
            drinking?
          
                  
            2:40:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm not drink
that was just me doing nothing.
          
                  
            2:40:12
          
          
            You just I want to mention, as
you go on and on, that we did
          
                  
            2:40:16
          
          
            not again, get any donations
from Elon Musk. No, no. Really
          
                  
            2:40:21
          
          
            ever get him.
          
                  
            2:40:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: I wonder why. I
wonder why. Hey, you can you
          
                  
            2:40:28
          
          
            can, you can you can post it on
X for free. All right, John,
          
                  
            2:40:37
          
          
            take us through the 50s. Yeah,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: we have a few
people to thank, starting with
          
                  
            2:40:41
          
          
            David, knew it in Mason Texas.
Where's Mason Texas? It's
          
                  
            2:40:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: right above. I don't
know. I don't have anything
          
                  
            2:40:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to do the Mason
Dixie line. No,
          
                  
            2:40:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't think so. I
don't know for sure. I don't
          
                  
            2:40:54
          
          
            know for
          
                  
            2:40:54
          
          
            John C Dvorak: 170 bucks, Anna
Johnson and Blaine Washington,
          
                  
            2:40:58
          
          
            $141 and she's wishes a happy
41st 41st birthday to her. Her
          
                  
            2:41:03
          
          
            smoking hot husband. Mark,
          
                  
            2:41:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: nice.
          
                  
            2:41:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: She needs a
deducing.
          
                  
            2:41:10
          
          
            Unknown: You've been deduced.
          
                  
            2:41:13
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Good old Rita
Harrington and Sparks, Nevada,
          
                  
            2:41:15
          
          
            Dame Rita one, three, 3.33. She
does say this, you two always
          
                  
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            hit the nail on the head. Bam,
yeah. No, already. It's Kevin
          
                  
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            McLaughlin, conquered North
Carolina, Archduke Luna, lover
          
                  
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mainframe in Ventura,
          
                  
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Capone in Greensburg,
          
                  
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insurance. Grayson insurance in
          
                  
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insurance needs, 6006 Troy,
          
                  
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            Thunder Burke in Missoula,
Montana. 55 uh, some unknown
          
                  
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            person in Aledo, Texas, Mark
Hardwick, as a matter of fact,
          
                  
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            5333 I don't know why his name's
missing from the blind Brittany.
          
                  
            2:42:03
          
          
            Is it missing on yours? Yes.
Brittany, Miller in Trinidad,
          
                  
            2:42:08
          
          
            Colorado, 5272 sir lineman in
Anna at Illinois. 5272 he is Sir
          
                  
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            lineman of the net, Raleigh
Hawk, Baron of Southern
          
                  
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            chilenoid. That's him, Jose
hosiah Josiah Ankeny Iowa. In
          
                  
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Iowa, $51 bad Oh, there they
          
                  
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up on the internet. They make
          
                  
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            great burning gear, $50.50 and
whoop boom. We're already at the
          
                  
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            50s. We don't have a big list
today. Whoop, boom, whoop, boom,
          
                  
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            whoop, boom. Stephen ray in
Spokane, Washington, 50. Ray
          
                  
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            Howard in Kremlin, Colorado.
Robertson home in Flint,
          
                  
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            Michigan. We talked about them
earlier. Edward Missouri, sir.
          
                  
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            Edward in Memphis, Tennessee.
William Kidwell in Dover,
          
                  
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            Delaware. William Spain in
Springdale, Arkansas. Michelle
          
                  
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            petty in Grand Forks, North
Dakota. Steven schumac in Xenia,
          
                  
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            Ohio. And already the list is
done because we have Jason
          
                  
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            deluzio there in Miami Beach,
Florida, last on the list. Want
          
                  
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            to thank all these people for
helping us make 1703 or two.
          
                  
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            1702 to show that it is
          
                  
            2:43:33
          
          
            Adam Curry: yes, and thank you
to all our sustaining donors who
          
                  
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            came in under $50 some for
reasons of anonymity, but many
          
                  
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            just putting together five bucks
a week, a show a month, whatever
          
                  
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            works for you. No agenda,
donations.com and got a note.
          
                  
            2:43:49
          
          
            Got a note from Darren, the pre
show guy. You'll recall, we had
          
                  
            2:43:54
          
          
            a karma for his dad on the last
show. And he follows up, and he
          
                  
            2:43:58
          
          
            says, I am a believer in no
agenda, health, karma and the
          
                  
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            prayers that come along with it.
They did the T scan on my dad
          
                  
            2:44:05
          
          
            today and found a bit of scar
tissue on his heart valve, but
          
                  
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            not the infection they seem to
think they'd find. He went into
          
                  
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            his local Hospital's ER on
Thursday, when his legs, ankles
          
                  
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            and abdomen started to swell. It
all started with the abdomen.
          
                  
            2:44:17
          
          
            Seems not a lot of people know
that's a sign of congestive
          
                  
            2:44:20
          
          
            heart failure, I was unaware.
They got the swelling down. Did
          
                  
            2:44:23
          
          
            an endocardiogram echocardiogram
on his heart. That's when they
          
                  
            2:44:27
          
          
            saw what they thought was an
infection. The valve turns out,
          
                  
            2:44:30
          
          
            turns out it was just a scar
tissue. So his dad is doing
          
                  
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            great, and it looks like he's
coming home today or tomorrow.
          
                  
            2:44:37
          
          
            And we could not be happier. No
agenda, karma and prayers. Work.
          
                  
            2:44:41
          
          
            We're so happy for you. There,
once again, no agenda,
          
                  
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anyone who needs it, you've
          
                  
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            Unknown: got karma.
          
                  
            2:44:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: Anna Johnson, wishes
a smoking hot husband. Mark.
          
                  
            2:45:00
          
          
            Johnson, a very happy one. He
turned 41 on October 7. Zeb
          
                  
            2:45:04
          
          
            green is turning 49 tomorrow.
Sir Bob, protector of Western
          
                  
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            foco, wishes his sister, Pam, a
happy one. Her birthday will be
          
                  
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            tomorrow. And he also says Happy
Birthday to his son, Andrew,
          
                  
            2:45:15
          
          
            he'll be turning 18 tomorrow as
well. And we say happy birthday
          
                  
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            Unknown: Whip it out. There
          
                  
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            We have one report today. It's a
very mini report. You'll recall
          
                  
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            sir Andre of the empty PayPal
became sir Andre of the broken
          
                  
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            brain, and he had to go into the
hospital and is rehabilitating,
          
                  
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            and half of his side is one.
Half his body is paralyzed. And
          
                  
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            so the folks over there in the
Netherlands decided to do a
          
                  
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meetup with him.
          
                  
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            Unknown: This is Frank aka Mike,
meetup report, sixth of October,
          
                  
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            Hi in the morning, Dame Pam, in
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visitors in my hospital room
          
                  
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            here, Frank aka Mike, and dame.
Pam, I'm so happy with all the
          
                  
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the NA group in the morning.
          
                  
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            Thank you for your courage
          
                  
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            in
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: the morning. I love
that. There you go. Connection
          
                  
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you in the hospital when your
          
                  
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you, you need to go to one of
          
                  
            2:49:01
          
          
            these. And you could actually go
to the northern wake, publical
          
                  
            2:49:04
          
          
            slave gathering six o'clock
today in Raleigh, North
          
                  
            2:49:07
          
          
            Carolina, at hoppy endings, or
Saturday, Michigan, local one
          
                  
            2:49:11
          
          
            assembles for the meetup by the
bay at two o'clock in Barb bark.
          
                  
            2:49:16
          
          
            Wow, was it barqub. Barqub BC.
Barqu BC. Bay City, Michigan.
          
                  
            2:49:21
          
          
            Check no agenda meetups.com. To
make sure I said that right. The
          
                  
            2:49:24
          
          
            Treasure Valley meetup will be
taking place at three o'clock at
          
                  
            2:49:27
          
          
            the Heritage social club in
Garden City, Idaho. Also on
          
                  
            2:49:31
          
          
            Saturday, the six week cycle.
Threat number two, our democracy
          
                  
            2:49:35
          
          
            Oktoberfest meetup, 333 at
sabalas Mexican Grill in Fort
          
                  
            2:49:39
          
          
            Wayne, Indiana. And our next
show day on Sunday, the too many
          
                  
            2:49:43
          
          
            eggs.com. Meet Up. Number seven,
margaritas, Keene in Keene, New
          
                  
            2:49:47
          
          
            Hampshire. Here's what's on the
way. We have Charlotte, North
          
                  
            2:49:50
          
          
            Carolina, on the 17th,
Fredericksburg, Texas, the big
          
                  
            2:49:53
          
          
            one, curry and the keeper will
be there. Please join us for
          
                  
            2:49:56
          
          
            that. Lot of people coming in
for that one that's right here
          
                  
            2:49:58
          
          
            in Fredericksburg. The nine.
19th, Bedford, Texas on the
          
                  
            2:50:01
          
          
            20th, Cincinnati, Ohio,
Okeechobee, Florida, Spearfish,
          
                  
            2:50:05
          
          
            South Dakota, Alpharetta,
Georgia on the 26th LaGrange,
          
                  
            2:50:08
          
          
            Illinois, London, UK, Ottawa,
Ontario, Houston, Texas on the
          
                  
            2:50:13
          
          
            28th Minneapolis on the second
of November. Richland,
          
                  
            2:50:16
          
          
            Washington, Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania, Emeryville,
          
                  
            2:50:18
          
          
            California on the ninth,
Bedford, Texas and Bastrop
          
                  
            2:50:22
          
          
            Texas. Whoa, are we doing duly
meetups on the 10th, Ocala
          
                  
            2:50:26
          
          
            Florida on the 11th,
Springfield, Missouri, the 16th,
          
                  
            2:50:29
          
          
            Bedford, Texas, again, shekopy,
Minnesota on the 16th,
          
                  
            2:50:33
          
          
            Sacramento, California. 27th
we're into December. Goleta,
          
                  
            2:50:36
          
          
            California on the fifth, West
Palm Beach Florida on the 15th,
          
                  
            2:50:40
          
          
            and at Ventura, Florida on
January 19, just a few of the no
          
                  
            2:50:44
          
          
            agenda meetups that go well into
2025, and beyond. Please join
          
                  
            2:50:48
          
          
            one of these at least once. I
guarantee, I guarantee you, you
          
                  
            2:50:52
          
          
            will want to go to more because
it's just like potato chips. You
          
                  
            2:50:56
          
          
            crunch one and you can't stop no
agenda meetups. Connection is
          
                  
            2:50:59
          
          
            protection. Go to no agenda
meetups.com, you can't Find one
          
                  
            2:51:02
          
          
            storm one yourself like a
          
                  
            2:51:22
          
          
            party. Like a party, like a
party, okay, ISOs. This is where
          
                  
            2:51:27
          
          
            we choose the ISOs, the end of
show. ISOs that always leave you
          
                  
            2:51:30
          
          
            with just that little, oh, boy,
I love that show.
          
                  
            2:51:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'll be at the
Emeryville meetup. Oh, you will
          
                  
            2:51:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: nice. Is that
another get John out of the
          
                  
            2:51:39
          
          
            house meet up where you just
Yes,
          
                  
            2:51:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: it is, and it's,
but it's gonna be at the trader
          
                  
            2:51:43
          
          
            vix in Emeryville, and you have
the date there, and it is, see
          
                  
            2:51:50
          
          
            Adam Curry: on November 2.
          
                  
            2:51:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: This is November
2. That's what it says. Yeah,
          
                  
            2:51:56
          
          
            that will Are you available? Are
you available? That's family
          
                  
            2:52:00
          
          
            friendly, so people can go there
with your kids, with the kids,
          
                  
            2:52:03
          
          
            so we can get to see violet
again. Oh, specifically, okay.
          
                  
            2:52:09
          
          
            Oh, nice. Um, let me see. Yeah,
I got ISO. What do you got? How
          
                  
            2:52:13
          
          
            many I
          
                  
            2:52:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: got four. I'll play
them for you. It's
          
                  
            2:52:15
          
          
            Unknown: just wrong.
          
                  
            2:52:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: Have that one I
have,
          
                  
            2:52:19
          
          
            Unknown: of course I have, okay,
heads, I win.
          
                  
            2:52:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: Tails, you cheated.
And so what? Okay, I think the
          
                  
            2:52:30
          
          
            so what is at least worth
considering? Oh, okay, well,
          
                  
            2:52:35
          
          
            sorry,
          
                  
            2:52:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: okay, let's start
with I have two, but they're
          
                  
            2:52:39
          
          
            gems. One is sexy.
          
                  
            2:52:41
          
          
            Unknown: How can those two be so
sexy? Oh,
          
                  
            2:52:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: wow, already a
winner in my book.
          
                  
            2:52:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: And then this is
one of the podcast ones
          
                  
            2:52:50
          
          
            Unknown: that is the best
podcast ever. Oh,
          
                  
            2:52:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't know which
one to choose. Ah,
          
                  
            2:52:57
          
          
            Unknown: how can those two be so
sexy?
          
                  
            2:52:59
          
          
            I like that. That is the best
podcast
          
                  
            2:53:02
          
          
            ever.
          
                  
            2:53:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think it's got to
be the best podcast ever. What
          
                  
            2:53:07
          
          
            Unknown: do you think?
          
                  
            2:53:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, muddier
though, but it is more
          
                  
            2:53:14
          
          
            appropriate. It's
          
                  
            2:53:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: funny, it's funny,
it's good, it's good. What does
          
                  
            2:53:18
          
          
            the troll room say? They're both
too long. Okay, trolls, thank
          
                  
            2:53:21
          
          
            you.
          
                  
            2:53:22
          
          
            Unknown: Hey everybody. It's
          
                  
            2:53:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: time for that moment
at the end of the show, John's
          
                  
            2:53:25
          
          
            Tip of the Day.
          
                  
            2:53:32
          
          
            Unknown: And sometimes,
          
                  
            2:53:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: okay, so I have
to, I'm gonna do two couple
          
                  
            2:53:39
          
          
            things today.
          
                  
            2:53:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, you're going
crazy.
          
                  
            2:53:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: First one is, we
had to do a quick search on
          
                  
            2:53:44
          
          
            something, right? But
          
                  
            2:53:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: you got to stay on
the mic, because you, whenever
          
                  
            2:53:47
          
          
            you like, I'm on
          
                  
            2:53:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: the mic. If I
wasn't on the mic, I don't know
          
                  
            2:53:50
          
          
            what I mean, near the mic, it
was I'm right on top of it, off
          
                  
            2:53:55
          
          
            Mike. If I was any closer to the
mic, to be behind me. Okay,
          
                  
            2:53:58
          
          
            well, try that. First of all, I
want to kill the recommend a
          
                  
            2:54:03
          
          
            previous tip. You're killing a
tip.
          
                  
            2:54:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: Killing a tip. Does
it have to be removed from Tip
          
                  
            2:54:08
          
          
            of the day.net?
          
                  
            2:54:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Now you can leave
it there, but I think it has to
          
                  
            2:54:12
          
          
            have a disclaimer. It's the
AliExpress.
          
                  
            2:54:17
          
          
            Adam Curry: AliExpress is is no
good.
          
                  
            2:54:21
          
          
            John C Dvorak: But that brings
us to today's tip, AliExpress is
          
                  
            2:54:26
          
          
            no good because I purposely
bought two flash drives, some
          
                  
            2:54:31
          
          
            drives, USB drives, whatever you
want to call them advertising,
          
                  
            2:54:35
          
          
            whatever you want to call them
from AliExpress,
          
                  
            2:54:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: I call them threat
vectors
          
                  
            2:54:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that I knew were
phonies, because you don't buy a
          
                  
            2:54:43
          
          
            terabyte USB drive for three
bucks. They just just no such
          
                  
            2:54:49
          
          
            thing.
          
                  
            2:54:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: Wow, there was no
shipping and handling, so you
          
                  
            2:54:52
          
          
            pay it came to your door for
three bucks. So $6 total. You
          
                  
            2:54:55
          
          
            got two terabyte thumb drives,
and what did you were they Pesta
          
                  
            2:54:59
          
          
            spend? What were they? They were
          
                  
            2:55:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: used to they, if
you put them through a system,
          
                  
            2:55:04
          
          
            which is what I'm going to
recommend, is the tip of the
          
                  
            2:55:06
          
          
            day, there are products out
there. And the one I'm going to
          
                  
            2:55:09
          
          
            recommend is a thing called
Check flash, which is written by
          
                  
            2:55:13
          
          
            Ukrainian. And I think the
current version out is 1.1 1.1
          
                  
            2:55:19
          
          
            7.0, and it was written by
Ukrainian, and it you've sticked
          
                  
            2:55:26
          
          
            to when you buy the drive. You
had to do this at the beginning,
          
                  
            2:55:29
          
          
            because it erases everything. It
will check to see if your
          
                  
            2:55:33
          
          
            terabyte drive really contains
anything near a terabyte. So you
          
                  
            2:55:37
          
          
            so if you get a bad drive, like
these phony drives I bought from
          
                  
            2:55:41
          
          
            Ali Express. You stick it in
says, No, this is not a terabyte
          
                  
            2:55:45
          
          
            drive. This not a or 500
gigabyte drive. It's a it's a
          
                  
            2:55:50
          
          
            one kilobyte drive. But the
header inside the drive will
          
                  
            2:55:58
          
          
            say, Oh, yeah, terabyte. You're
gonna got a terabyte. So you
          
                  
            2:56:01
          
          
            start putting something on
there, and it just craps out.
          
                  
            2:56:04
          
          
            After you put one video on,
there's they won't retake it,
          
                  
            2:56:08
          
          
            and you realize the whole
thing's a scam. And what makes
          
                  
            2:56:10
          
          
            them want to take Aliexpress off
the list is that they will
          
                  
            2:56:14
          
          
            refund your money for these
phony baloney products that they
          
                  
            2:56:17
          
          
            sell. But for a week, over a
week, I went to the return site,
          
                  
            2:56:23
          
          
            website, and he's all down. We
can't do it now. Call back
          
                  
            2:56:26
          
          
            later. So I lost like 10 bucks
or whatever it cost me for these
          
                  
            2:56:31
          
          
            two products, but
          
                  
            2:56:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: you gained a lot of
malware since you stuck that
          
                  
            2:56:35
          
          
            thing into your machine.
          
                  
            2:56:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, there's
nothing on there. Well, for one
          
                  
            2:56:41
          
          
            thing, I didn't stick it in the
machine because I ran check
          
                  
            2:56:44
          
          
            flash immediately. Which
          
                  
            2:56:46
          
          
            Adam Curry: a Ukrainian piece of
software? You're this is good
          
                  
            2:56:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: stuff. This
Ukrainian guy is a, is a
          
                  
            2:56:52
          
          
            geneticist who just happened to
dream this piece of software up
          
                  
            2:56:56
          
          
            this software i i check it
through this. The other thing,
          
                  
            2:56:59
          
          
            so check Flash is the product I
like. It was written for Windows
          
                  
            2:57:03
          
          
            eight. Still works fine, but no,
there are products out there,
          
                  
            2:57:06
          
          
            and I get people can identify
the best of them, but they're
          
                  
            2:57:09
          
          
            all over the place. The things
that check the download so you
          
                  
            2:57:13
          
          
            can see if there's any malware
attached to it. Now, I got this
          
                  
            2:57:16
          
          
            one from major geeks, and it
seemed to be okay. It didn't
          
                  
            2:57:20
          
          
            seem to have any mail. Or I have
products that check that. That's
          
                  
            2:57:23
          
          
            another tip. But the tip is,
when you buy a flash drive, and
          
                  
            2:57:27
          
          
            Amazon has sold these, they have
sold these fake drives that say,
          
                  
            2:57:32
          
          
            oh, it says, you know, it'll say
something like 64 gigs. And 64
          
                  
            2:57:37
          
          
            gigs a buck. No, there's nothing
on the drive. Is bull crap, so
          
                  
            2:57:41
          
          
            you have to buy one of these
checkers that checks the flash
          
                  
            2:57:45
          
          
            drive. Anyone has a better one
than check flash let me know.
          
                  
            2:57:48
          
          
            We'll plug it in the future, but
that's what you do. So what's
          
                  
            2:57:51
          
          
            your I just bought a couple of
drives recently, and I ran them
          
                  
            2:57:53
          
          
            through, and they're fine.
They're real. So
          
                  
            2:57:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: what is the tip? The
tip is,
          
                  
            2:57:58
          
          
            John C Dvorak: when you buy a
new flash drive, a thumb drive,
          
                  
            2:58:00
          
          
            a USB drive, check it before you
use it to make sure it's legit.
          
                  
            2:58:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: All right? And
that's what is that software
          
                  
            2:58:08
          
          
            called, again.
          
                  
            2:58:09
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Check flash,
okay.
          
                  
            2:58:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: All right. And what
do you use these drives for? Do
          
                  
            2:58:14
          
          
            you hand them out to the kids
who come up to the door? Hey,
          
                  
            2:58:17
          
          
            kids, one one wants some files.
I use
          
                  
            2:58:20
          
          
            John C Dvorak: them for a lot of
different things. For example,
          
                  
            2:58:25
          
          
            if you want to take some old
DVDs and turn them into MP fours
          
                  
            2:58:29
          
          
            and you put them on the drive to
give them to one of the kids.
          
                  
            2:58:32
          
          
            Yeah, see the easiest way to do
it.
          
                  
            2:58:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: Hey, kids want to
want some DVDs. Want some
          
                  
            2:58:38
          
          
            movies.
          
                  
            2:58:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No one has a
movie player. They don't play TV
          
                  
            2:58:43
          
          
            like
          
                  
            2:58:43
          
          
            Unknown: you. No, I
          
                  
            2:58:44
          
          
            John C Dvorak: don't know.
There's no such thing as a DVD
          
                  
            2:58:46
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't have DVD DVD
drives anymore.
          
                  
            2:58:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: John, these thumb
drives for this stuff.
          
                  
            2:58:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: We do. Will you send
me a thumb drive with some
          
                  
            2:58:56
          
          
            movies?
          
                  
            2:58:57
          
          
            Unknown: Yeah. What
          
                  
            2:58:58
          
          
            Adam Curry: movie you want? You
know, the good ones
          
                  
            2:59:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I those movies
are that's something between you
          
                  
            2:59:03
          
          
            and Tina, this has been your
          
                  
            2:59:06
          
          
            Unknown: tip of the day. Thanks
for listening. Y'all
          
                  
            2:59:09
          
          
            come back now. There
          
                  
            2:59:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: you go. Everybody, a
retracted tip and a brand new
          
                  
            2:59:14
          
          
            tip.
          
                  
            2:59:16
          
          
            Unknown: Check flash,
          
                  
            2:59:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: find them at Tip of
the day.net. No agenda. Fun.com.
          
                  
            2:59:21
          
          
            There you go. Hey, coming up
next on the stream. Let me see
          
                  
            2:59:25
          
          
            what we have we've got. Oh,
interesting. Bandrew says is on
          
                  
            2:59:30
          
          
            the stream. He's a comic strip
bloggers buddy. This is the
          
                  
            2:59:33
          
          
            benefit of three minute shorts
on YouTube using shotgun mics in
          
                  
            2:59:38
          
          
            untreated rooms. Yeah, he's a
mic expert. Don't get me started
          
                  
            2:59:45
          
          
            on mics, but he's a mic expert.
So end of show mixes, we have
          
                  
            2:59:51
          
          
            let me see D's laughs, David
kecta, and we got the brand new
          
                  
            2:59:56
          
          
            guy, John Valentine, and I'm
coming to you from the heart of.
          
                  
            3:00:00
          
          
            The Texas Hill Country home of
the October 18. No agenda. Meet
          
                  
            3:00:06
          
          
            up here in Fredericksburg, Texas
in the morning. Everybody. I'm
          
                  
            3:00:09
          
          
            Adam curry and from
          
                  
            3:00:10
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Northern Silicon
Valley, where it's kind of
          
                  
            3:00:13
          
          
            overcast, maybe chili and the
Blue Angels are flying around,
          
                  
            3:00:16
          
          
            but you can't see them. That's
just great. I'm John C Dvorak.
          
                  
            3:00:19
          
          
            Adam Curry: We return on Sunday
with another three hours of
          
                  
            3:00:23
          
          
            media deconstruction, just for
you. Until then, remember us at
          
                  
            3:00:27
          
          
            no agenda donations.com. Adios,
mofoza, hooey, hooey and
          
                  
            3:00:32
          
          
            Unknown: such. I think of her as
America's wine mom. And then
          
                  
            3:00:35
          
          
            there's, I'm being Stern, so you
don't realize how plastered I
          
                  
            3:00:39
          
          
            am. And I'm making a point, and
I'm talking a little girl with
          
                  
            3:00:42
          
          
            me now I'm gonna go upstairs and
don't knock on the door, because
          
                  
            3:00:44
          
          
            I'm gonna pass out pumping
          
                  
            3:00:49
          
          
            hyena, giving out the old
Berkeley humma, distracting you
          
                  
            3:00:52
          
          
            for the next months into the
summer, no agenda, season of
          
                  
            3:00:55
          
          
            reveal. It's here. Comrade
Kamala, hey, let's kick it and
          
                  
            3:00:59
          
          
            stick here. Sweet Willie Brown
side piece, giving a horf at
          
                  
            3:01:02
          
          
            service on her knees to get a
head cheese. Pastor Manning,
          
                  
            3:01:06
          
          
            saying that he had her nose wide
open. Complete my joke, I said,
          
                  
            3:01:09
          
          
            and was not joking. Shooting
back, matter of fact, cleaning
          
                  
            3:01:12
          
          
            his gun on a stream. A Serious
Man, from what I can gleam,
          
                  
            3:01:16
          
          
            Trump, saying that she had a
lunatic laugh, but put it in her
          
                  
            3:01:19
          
          
            head now he's inside. Let's wait
for the gap saying that she's
          
                  
            3:01:23
          
          
            gonna be so bad, not only video,
but the first campaign had true
          
                  
            3:01:27
          
          
            social and not ex I said on the
far right, hell of a flex. Biden
          
                  
            3:01:33
          
          
            is dead weight after the debate
progresses for the feeble
          
                  
            3:01:35
          
          
            minded, but maybe I'll just call
him late. JD, Vance, stepping
          
                  
            3:01:39
          
          
            up. I came to see my plane
kamalaka. Chameleon is wine
          
                  
            3:01:42
          
          
            drunk again.
          
                  
            3:01:46
          
          
            I don't know whether it'll be
peaceful.
          
                  
            3:01:49
          
          
            He knows how to talk tough, but
more importantly, he
          
                  
            3:01:52
          
          
            knows when the time for talk
          
                  
            3:01:57
          
          
            is over and it is time to fight
for what is right. Ladies
          
                  
            3:02:02
          
          
            and gentlemen. It's done. Meet
the fake press.
          
                  
            3:02:10
          
          
            Deface somebody. They
          
                  
            3:02:15
          
          
            can have a beer with you. Asked
for Miller,
          
                  
            3:02:22
          
          
            pilot, Kamala flew to a
fundraiser in San Francisco, a
          
                  
            3:02:25
          
          
            city she absolutely destroyed.
She destroyed San Francisco. It
          
                  
            3:02:28
          
          
            was the best city in the
country, and now it's not good
          
                  
            3:02:31
          
          
            at all. Well, families
desperately try to escape the
          
                  
            3:02:36
          
          
            rising flood waters, and they
climb onto roofs. They did
          
                  
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            anything they can to live, but
Kamala didn't send any
          
                  
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            helicopters to rescue them, and
when people sent helicopters,
          
                  
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            they turned them back.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: They're pro
eating bugs.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Entomophagy,
insectivore like cricket. You
          
                  
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            Unknown: proper place for
breakfast. Salt and creamy, but
          
                  
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            the cricket made us crushing the
buzz. Comrades, you owe nothing
          
                  
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            and you're happy, it will be
sad. Comrade in the bugs.
          
                  
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            Comrade, you owe nothing
          
                  
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            and you're happy, it will be
sad. Comrade the roaster.
          
                  
            3:03:43
          
          
            Spiders also taste it, not
approaching. Shake cheerleaders,
          
                  
            3:03:49
          
          
            weebles, tell me what you're
going to make in the bugs.
          
                  
            3:03:54
          
          
            Comrade in the bugs, aren't you
glad you owe nothing and you're
          
                  
            3:03:56
          
          
            happy? Don't be sad. Comrade in
the bugs. Comrade in the box,
          
                  
            3:04:00
          
          
            glad. You owe nothing and you're
happy. Don't be sad. Comrade, in
          
                  
            3:04:02
          
          
            the buzz. Comrade, you owe
nothing and you're happy. Don't
          
                  
            3:04:07
          
          
            be sad. Comrade, you owe nothing
if you're happy, don't be sad.
          
                  
            3:04:10
          
          
            Don't be sad. Comrade, who
          
                  
            3:04:22
          
          
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