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Now, they should stop sucking it in.
Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Sunday, November 17, 2024.
This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation media
assassination episode 1713.
This is no agenda.
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In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
From Northern Silicon Valley, where I'm telling you,
whoopee's done.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
It's Crackpot and Buzzkill.
In the morning.
You're just following the rumors.
I said it about three or four shows
ago.
I know, I know, you did.
I predicted six months max.
But now that she went after some poor
mom-and-pop bakery where they had a
national press conference after the fact.
Oh, I missed this.
What happened?
This sounds good.
Oh yeah, on the other day she comes
on the show and she says, you know,
this lousy bakery wouldn't serve me because of
my political beliefs.
Is that true?
Yeah, well, I mean, she went to this...
There's a bakery in Staten Island that she
goes to, I guess, all the time.
I don't know if she even...
And they make these parfaits and they had
a whole table full of them.
Whatever that...
Sarah, whoever that one woman was, spit it
out when she said this.
And then she got the parfaits anyway.
And it turns out then the bakery, which
is a well-known one in Staten Island,
did a press conference saying, this is a
lie.
Our ovens were down and they went on
and on and on.
It was a huge embarrassment.
Oh, you know, back in the day, we
all used to laugh at the soup Nazi.
No soup for you!
There were no lawsuits.
There was no national outrage.
You get no soup.
You're no good.
You were rude to the soup Nazi.
You know, there's actually a place in New
York where that supposedly...
It was modeled after some guy.
Yeah, I believe it was.
Yeah, I went...
Somebody pointed it out to me once.
There's a little soup kitchen.
I felt really bad for some dudes named
Ben and dudettes named Bernadette.
Saturday night, was it Saturday night?
The Tyson-Paul fight on Netflix?
Yeah, RuPaul, I guess, beat up Mike Tyson.
Heyo!
Did you watch?
Yeah.
And did you have any buffering issues?
Yeah, it crashed twice.
At one point it said, well, you better
just turn off the app and reboot it.
Reboot your router.
Well, they didn't say that, but you had
to turn off Netflix and get back in.
You missed like two minutes of something.
Yeah, they couldn't do it.
So we're going to be the big streamers
now.
It's us there.
We know what we're doing here at Netflix.
They couldn't keep the servers going.
They did it wrong.
You know, we know how to market these
mistakes.
The way it used to go, if I
can remember correctly, the Victoria's Secret fashion show
that was streamed live.
And the way they marketed it was, it
was so successful, it broke the internet.
I don't think that goes over.
I just love how, how incensed people were.
I think they should be incensed.
For your what?
For your $15 a month and you get
a free fight and then, okay, so stuff
happens.
Wait, hold on.
$15 a month, you get a free fight.
You didn't get a free fight.
You paid $15 a month.
No, but you get all, you get Netflix
for $15 a month.
Yeah, you get a lot.
And they throw a fight in.
So what?
You're still not getting it for free.
But Mike, did you go on Twitter and
go, Netflix, you suck?
No, because you're an adult male.
I'm not going to say that, but I
will say this.
Broadcasting is a better mechanism for these sorts
of things.
Well, it's too bad that television is in
the fight for its life.
It is too bad.
Linear broadcast is in the fight for its
life.
It is an anachronism of epic proportion.
As RFK Jr. is messing with the primal
forces of nature.
I'm going to set you up.
I haven't.
You loved going back to that Nick.
I can't help myself.
I can't help myself.
I don't know how many people get that
gag, but you keep doing it.
You, Tina, and me.
So someone's going, hey, yeah, man, I went
and watched that movie from 1975.
I'm going to say.
He's referring to network.
Yes, I am.
I'm going to set you up for your
clips that you have here.
I'm going to hope that you start with
RFK Jr. And I'll set you up with
something we used to do a lot back
in the days.
We would go to a staple.
Actually, you would go to Inside Edition where
we got the real news.
I mean, this is like this is the
real news.
Everybody back to you.
Here we go to harder.
It's a mega, mega celebration.
A who's who of Trump world gathered at
Mar-a-Lago last night for the black
tie gala to toast their election triumph.
Guess what?
We got the second George Washington.
Congratulations.
Introducing the president elect Sylvester Stallone.
He's a Trump supporter.
Who knew?
Thank you, Sly.
You know, Sly does not do that.
He doesn't do that stuff.
And he did a beautiful job.
First buddy, Elon Musk, was with his mom.
Did you hear that?
First buddy, Elon Musk, was with his mom.
And he did a beautiful job.
First buddy, Elon Musk, was with his mom.
He posed for a photo with Trump's ex
-wife, Marla Maples.
Yep, even she was there.
He likes this place.
I can't get him out of here.
He just likes this place.
Tucker Carlson was seated with RFK Jr. and
wife, actress Cheryl Hines.
Also, Don Jr. and girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.
This was a, this is, see, this is
the kind of news that we want to
hear from time to time.
All this, oh, this is all bad.
Oh, Matt Gaetz, oh, RFK Jr. No, from
time to time.
Hey, hey, first buddy, Elon Musk, it's hilarious.
And now, of course, the setup for your
clips.
RFK and Cheryl were popular.
Everyone wanted to meet the man of the
hour.
The man of the hour.
His nomination by Trump to lead the Department
of Health and Human Services is causing an
uproar.
Frankly, I find it chilling.
Many doctors are up in arms.
They say he's a vaccine skeptic with no
expertise in medicine or science.
Significant concerns, horror even.
Somebody said to me today, I can't think
of any single individual who'd be more damaging
to public health than RFK.
But Fox News is all in.
Tune out the noise and the hysteria.
He's not on a mission to ban medicine.
I love RFK Jr. in this position.
People should be excited about this.
Literally crying.
Lots of moms are taking to social media
to celebrate RFK's vow to crack down on
additives and chemicals in food.
Overnight, MAGA has become MAHA, Kennedy's mantra, make
America healthy again.
Trump seems to approve, at least for now.
And I just looked at the news reports.
People like you, Bobby.
Don't get too popular, Bobby.
Since when they become MAGA?
What's that?
MAGA is MAGA.
Somehow Inside Edition now calls it MAGA.
It's MAGA, I tell you.
I can't believe it.
I like the way they throw this stuff
out.
Like my favorite thing is still, I don't
know if it's in these clips.
I think maybe, at one point it is.
Is that Becerra, Becerra, that guy who is
the attorney general of California, who's the head
of HHS now, is basically a Stanford lawyer
that was bumped up to attorney.
He's got, and they say, oh, Kennedy's got
no background in health or science, which is
not true.
As a lawyer, he's sued these guys endlessly,
health and science people.
That's the least of the complaints.
I mean, vaccine denier, conspiracy theorists, crazy killing
dogs and deer and bears and throw them
in the park.
They just keep on going.
And luckily...
I love the bear in the park.
Luckily, it keeps the culture war economy brewing.
Everybody can go on their podcasts and go,
yeah, legacy media is no good.
They're in the fight of their lives, people.
Have some compassion for legacy media.
Television, let's just call it television.
Let's not even call it legacy media.
It's television.
Television has a problem.
Well, I think print media has got a
bigger problem, personally.
Well, but we've seen that already go down.
We know that the New York Times exists
because of WERDL.
I mean, we don't need to discuss that
anymore.
The cord cutting has diminished the carriage fees.
And now one of their biggest sources of
income is under attack.
But I'll let you go with your...
Well, here we go with it.
We've got a bunch of smear clips.
Smears.
Well, smear is specific to cream cheese, but
we'll go with the smear.
Remember, this show is sponsored by Israel, so
we'll go with smear.
A couple of things I want to note
before I start playing these is that nobody
will bring up a couple of topics ever
except us, which is the main one is
pharmaceutical advertising on television.
Yeah, that's the big one.
And they will...
Fox doesn't bring it up.
And Kennedy does bring it up, but they
don't play those clips.
It's just, that's the whopper because it's estimated
between, I'd say $9 and $20 billion worth
of advertising per year is spent by the
pharmaceutical industry on advertising.
I would say in general, if you take
both sides of the equation, up to 90
% of advertising is covered by both junk
food that kills people and the pharmaceuticals that
are supposed to keep people barely alive from
eating that junk food.
Interest though.
And RFK Jr. has both sides of that
in his crosshairs.
Nobody wants that.
Well, no, if you're...
Nobody on television.
Let's go.
No.
So I went, so I got these clips
from Abby Phillips.
There's other ones too.
I think they're Caitlin Collins ones are about
Kennedy, but let's play these Abby Phillips one.
This is one of the shows.
This is one of the worst of the
CNN shows.
Now, Abby Phillips, let me think.
She's a black girl.
Oh, I know who you're talking about.
Yes.
She's got the little round table of people
and they do have one Republican on there
who's quite good.
His name, I don't recall.
Isn't that Scott?
Isn't that Scott?
What's his face?
It could be.
Scott Jensen, I think.
He's good and he fights back and everybody's,
you know, they have these arguments with each
other.
And it's kind of, it gets kind of
heated, but it's pretty, pretty lame, generally speaking.
But let's, but, but the setup for the
smears, let's start with clip one.
Good evening.
I'm Abby Phillips in New York.
Let's get right to what America is talking
about.
Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. America's still talking about the price
of eggs, lady, but okay.
Today, I nominated him for, I guess, if
you like health and if you like people
that live a long time, it's the most
important position.
RFK Jr. He is, in fact, Donald Trump's
choice to run the Health and Human Services
Department, HHS.
It is an absolute monster of a bureaucracy.
It administers Medicare and Medicaid and Obamacare.
These are programs that cost trillions of dollars
and impact tens of millions of Americans.
RFK, though, is thin on the kind of
experience needed to run a spelling agency.
He is even thinner, though, on real science.
RFK Jr. calls his new potential gig a
generational opportunity.
But stepping back, this is the latest cabinet
proclamation that is seemed to design, designed to
own the libs, perhaps more than promoting good
government.
Some of what RFK Jr. says sounds okay,
even decent, perhaps, making the food supply healthier,
making policy to promote more exercise, making the
government less beholden to big pharma.
That's all fine and good.
But then there's the stuff that he wants
to roll back that doesn't make much sense,
like mandatory vaccines in schools.
I mean, do you like measles, mumps, rubella?
Yes, I love them.
Hepatitis, polio?
What about chicken pox?
It's great.
No?
It's itchy.
Well, all of these diseases are diseases that
hardly exist, thanks to mandatory vaccines and modern
medicine.
We are joined, though, today at the table
by two doctors, Dr. Ian Lipkin, Director of
the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia
University, and Dr. Debbie, I'm going to butcher
her last name here, so I'll let her
say it herself.
She's an associate professor of NYU School of
Medicine.
Dr. Debbie and Dr. Lipkin, I'm going to
start with you both, because, and Dr. Debbie,
I'll let you start because- I don't
know your last name, so I'm just going
to call you Dr. Debbie.
Dr. Debbie, that's what she was saying.
By the way, Dr. Debbie never gives her
last name, so she keeps calling her Dr.
Debbie.
This is like you get these phone calls
from Punjab or wherever they are, and they
say, oh, Mr. John, Mr. John, we got
a deal for you, Mr. John.
I'm upset that Hotez wasn't there.
He seems to be laying low this guy.
Yeah, he better.
It's probably a good idea.
Now that you mentioned it, he is laying
low, so let's go on.
But Dr. Debbie, Dr. Debbie thinks it's great
to have a guy like Kennedy.
What's the big deal?
You see something in the RFK appointment that
you are fine with.
Tell us what it is.
Well, I think the first question is, what
are we trying to accomplish with healthcare at
all, which is to increase life expectancy, and
then when you have more years, to have
more quality of life within those years.
How's that working out?
We've only gone down in life expectancy.
So that goes beyond just vaccines.
That involves so many things.
Our biggest killers are heart disease, cancer, cardiovascular
problems, unintentional injuries, and the biggest barrier for
people is really healthcare costs, that there's a
direct cost where we have technology like robotics
and AI, regenerative medicine, but it's not accessible
to people.
And then we have other barriers where even
the people who might be able to get
towards it, where they have insurance, they can't
afford coinsurances, deductibles, the indirect costs of transportation,
and there's various biases and disparities.
So my priority would be, is this person
able to do that?
And I think he can address some of
those things.
And part of it is because he expresses
a degree of skepticism, which I think we
could use.
It's been several decades that we've had poor
healthcare outcomes compared to the amount of money
that we spend on healthcare.
And so maybe we can try doing something
differently.
I don't think this should be a dictatorship
where one person does it, but at least
we should try.
Well, did she get the hook?
This is not the right language.
Well, they didn't need to give her the
hook because then they brought this other guy,
this angry guy who's not a doctor per
se, he's a doctor of something.
He's an infectious diseases expert and he's a
huge vaccine nut.
And so he comes on and immediately just
goes after the real issues here, which is
Kennedy's screwy.
Well, I've been tracking his views for a
long time, speaking specifically about vaccines.
There is no better bang for your buck
than a vaccine.
I'm older, I think, than everybody else here
at the table.
I remember seeing kids with polio.
I remember seeing measles and cephalitis.
The amount of good that vaccines have done
is impossible to overstate.
Measles and cephalitis, he said.
I don't know how old he is.
He's probably my age, but I've never seen
anybody with encephalitis.
I don't know what he's talking about.
He says, oh, I've seen people with measles.
Well, yeah, polio, I probably have.
I know one guy in England who had
polio as a kid.
One guy.
He still limps.
Encephalitis?
So anyway, this guy's obviously a vaccine.
Yeah, let's go for him.
And I think the risks associated with vaccines
are vanishingly low.
There will always be adverse reactions.
Hold on, stop.
Stop the clip.
Vanishing.
You have to stop these clips.
This one, if that's all true, what he
says, I don't have a problem with that.
How about the liability issues?
Yeah, if they're vanishing.
They're vanishing, so you don't have these sloppy.
Here's the problem you have with vaccines.
We've noticed this with the swine flu.
What, 12 years ago when we were doing
the show?
Yep, I looked it up.
And they found live swine flu virus in
the vaccine.
Remember that one?
Now, remember 12 years ago, we got all
the PowerPoint presentations from a big financial investors
conference for medical companies.
And presentation, you can go back and listen
to it.
Presentation after presentation, like vaccines are great.
Why are they great?
They're great because we have no liability and
you're giving medicine to people who aren't sick.
It's a bonanza.
That's how they were talking about it.
Shortly after that period, which we were objecting
to because they were promoting it because just
for the profit motive.
For the money, yeah.
If you remember the vaccine, it's to stop
smoking.
Stop smoking, cocaine abuse, everything.
So vaccines, these aren't vaccines.
They're just making this stuff, just calling it
vaccines.
So there's no liability for their sloppy processing.
How come- I mean, when they had
the vaccine for swine flu with the live
virus, too bad.
And you'll remember- There's no liability, tough.
Same time, maybe, no, it was about the
same time, 2006.
Is that right?
No, no, not 2006, no, 2008, 2000.
The HPV vaccine.
And they were hanging little goodie bags on
college dorm room doorknobs.
Get your HPV.
It stops three of the 27 strains of
cervical cancer.
You only need two.
They hurt a lot and they're 300 bucks
a pop.
But get it now, we saw all of
this.
And even, I mean, a lot of moms
at the time are like, I'm not quite
sure, I don't know, but I'm just gonna
hold back.
That's where it started.
And then, of course, we had all the
injured.
It started with HPV.
You're right.
That's when all the injuries came.
The girl is walking backwards, if you remember
that.
Oh, it's been debunked, Dvorak, come on.
So we have these guys pushing this product,
which is fine, vaccines are great, but how
about liability issues?
You can't put just dog shit in a
shot and call it a vaccine and too
bad if you get sick.
This is not a good thing to have
no liability whatsoever.
It's vanishing, it's vanishing.
Are vanishingly low.
There will always be adverse reactions to any
medication or any vaccine or whatever intervention you
want to pursue.
But if you look on balance and what
we save in the way of birth losses,
encephalitis, paralysis, there's just no question.
It sounds cool because most people don't know
what it is.
If you say encephalitis, oh my God, he
knows what he's talking about.
But these are beneficial.
And there's the mixture of the, I think
that the difference between what the two of
you are saying is you're talking about the
health part of what RFK is talking about.
And then you're talking about the vaccines part,
which is completely unfounded, that he's pushing all
this vaccine misinformation.
It's hard to separate the two.
Separate what?
The two?
He's unfounded.
Wait, what?
She says it's unfounded that he's pushing.
What's she talking about?
What kind of structure is this?
I want to listen to the end there.
Part which is completely unfounded that he's pushing
all this.
You're talking about the health part of what
RFK is talking about.
And then you're talking about the vaccines part,
which is completely unfounded that he's pushing all
this vaccine misinformation.
It's hard to separate the two.
Yeah, her structure is a little off because
she's really saying he's right.
Unfounded vaccine misinformation.
Yeah, well, she's on CNN.
She's a dipshit.
Hey, she's got a popular show.
At least 400,000 people watch.
I doubt it.
All right, onward to clip four.
I just want to play a little bit
about what RFK has said about the agencies
that make up a big chunk of the
healthcare infrastructure in this country, the NIH, the
CDC, and the FDC.
Our big priority will be to clean up
the public health agencies like CDC, NIH, FDA,
and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Those agencies have become sock puppets of the
industries that they're supposed to regulate.
President Trump and I are going to replace
the corrupt industry capture officials with honest public
servants.
We're going to steer resources to meet our
nation's biggest health challenge, chronic disease.
These are incredibly, here's the thing, there might
be capture, whatever you want to call it,
industry capture of these agencies.
Those are incredibly broad statements for agencies that
are, by and large, focused on keeping Americans
safe and are doing that job every single
day.
That's right, and against a backdrop of a
time when those agencies' work has been politicized,
demonized in many cases, against the backdrop of
an administration or President Trump saying that he
actually wants to clear out nonpartisan public servants
and replace them with partisan apparatchiks.
So those two things are in tension.
And then there's this, look, if you want
to care about regulatory capture, there's any number
of different people who could deal with those
issues with regard to chronic illness.
But if you want to actually raise life
expectancy, I think vaccines do a pretty good
job of adjusting that curve upward.
And you can't take this a la carte.
Picking him is an intentional choice.
Where personnel is policy.
And because he's got a long record of
being a crank on issues related to vaccines,
that takes any of the positive good that
you're trying to suggest he might do, which
could be done by any number of other
people.
And instead, you have to own that.
Who was speaking here?
Who is that?
This is some other guy.
I mean, what credentials does he have to
say he's, I'm talking about apparatchiks.
That guy is the CNN commentator.
He works for CNN.
OK, OK.
So he's delivering the goods there for the
CNN.
Now they had the guy that the Republic,
the only the one counter, I mean, it
comes up in the kicker here.
And he pushes back on the guy and
the whole thing falls apart at the very
end.
If we're being intellectually honest, there's really no
good reason why Bobby.
Why be intellectually honest?
What kind of question is that?
Have you ever in a conversation with anyone
in your life face to face said, if
we're being intellectually honest?
No, no, of course not.
If this is why people like podcasts, because
this kind of dumb language doesn't pop up.
This is TV.
Yeah, TV, TV talk.
Yes, if we're being intellectually honest, there's really
no good reason why Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr.
should be HHS secretary, an advisor, a confidant,
somebody who who talks to the president and
advises.
But there's no managerial experience in his resume.
There's nothing that says he is qualified to
do this job.
What?
There's no managerial experience on his resume?
That's not true.
I don't believe that's true either.
But there's no managerial experience in his resume.
There's nothing that says he is qualified to
do this job.
This job that is in charge of the
health of all of us, all these different
lanes.
If he has views and has insights around
food sources, around vaccines, then those should be
given in advisory roles.
Well, because.
What were the qualifications of the previous ones?
Well, I think it's important to always remember
that you put yourself.
Say that again.
What were the management qualifications?
I mean, Xavier Becerra.
I'm not talking about the previous.
I'm looking forward.
But you're calling into question whether he could
actually do this job.
And I think it's absolutely.
I think it's important to discuss it because
Xavier Becerra was just a lawyer and a
politician with no management experience.
So there's two negative, two wrongs make a
right.
Sylvia Burwell was a Walmart lobbyist.
Donna Shalala was a university person.
Look, RFK Jr. is a nut.
Okay.
So that's different than what you just said.
No, he doesn't possess the requisite managerial experience.
But then we get to the real issue
here, which is you want to insult the
man.
Yeah.
Oh, he's a nut.
Come on.
That's what we do.
This is no CNN.
So the boils down, this guy has his
own, you know, you've got to be intellectually
honest.
Blah, blah, blah.
He's a nut.
That's that's what it boils down to.
His opinion is a nut.
All right.
I got a couple of clips.
I think before you play it, just play
this.
Caitlyn Collins.
The first one here is to smear Caitlyn
Collins.
I just want to see what this is
about.
Does that not make you concerned that children
would be less safe?
If if Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. was running the Department of Health
and Human Services?
Well, well, as I said, I think there's
some tremendous positive things like focusing on chronic
diseases and children.
But of course, I'm concerned about vaccines.
What I hope Mr. Kennedy would do is
a what?
This is a different show.
This is Caitlyn Collins show.
I hear it.
You have another guy.
It's all about vaccines.
This is a vaccine industrial complex.
Yeah, but of course, I'm concerned about vaccines.
What I hope Mr. Kennedy would do, and
it is a fact that the rates of
autism have gone up.
Just this week, a study was published in
JAMA that depending on the age groups between
2011 and 2022, autism rates have gone up
as much as 450 percent.
As a pediatrician and a scientist, I can
say that is not because of vaccines.
Yeah, but that is not due to vaccines.
So I would hope he would commission an
independent task force, best scientist.
Yeah, I can stop.
She interrupts him and says it's not due
to vaccines.
He says, yeah, it's not due to vaccines.
There is nothing in that in that research
that says it's not vaccines.
Why are they saying it is that this
is like this is like this is a
this is them hoping to God that the
drug companies don't stop advertising or can't or
forced to stop advertising on their network.
CNN has lots of drug ads.
They all have lots of drug ads.
Yes, they all do.
You're right.
They all have lots of drug ads.
This is a disservice to the American public.
Oh, I'm shocked.
Oh, no.
Yeah, but that is not due to vaccines.
So I would hope he would commission an
independent task force, best scientist, best science, put
the best price, best scientist.
We need best scientists.
Commission an independent task force, best scientist, put
the NIH and the CDC on this to
say, you know, in 12 to 18 months,
what are the likely causes of autism?
We know it's going up.
I can say I know it's not vaccines,
but let's get some true scientific information independent
of industry, industry, you know, manipulation to understand
what's going on.
That's what I hope he will do.
Of course, I don't know that.
Yeah, I mean, again, he's a grown man.
He has articulated these views time and time
again.
I have not heard him moderate them.
Maybe he is because he knows he's about
to face a tough confirmation process.
We'll see.
Admiral, thank you.
Doctor, as well.
Great to have you both here.
OK.
By the way, Caitlin Collins is the most
severe looking woman on television.
And three million dollars a year.
She's a three million dollar woman.
So what they keep referring to is the
Wakefield paper.
And this was also something that had already
started before we started the show.
And I recall that that discreditation of the
Wakefield paper was later somewhat overturned.
Yes.
But it wasn't that his science was wrong.
It was that there was some payoff, someone
got paid to do something.
I don't remember exactly.
There was some corruption involved.
There was some corruption involved, but not even
necessarily anything that had to do with the
science itself.
And so for this guy to say, well,
we should probably check it out, that autism.
Let's see if there's something to it.
OK.
So all Kennedy is doing, which, of course,
is correlation, not causation.
Is he saying, when I was a kid,
we had three vaccines and one in 10
,000 had autism.
Now you got 76 vaccines and one in
three kids has autism.
I'm just paraphrasing these numbers here.
So I'll stick with Caitlin Collins, and we'll
go with the former CDC director who just
spouts the most unbelievable nonsense about vaccines in
general.
I don't have him.
This is great.
This is great.
And that's really the question here, is when
he is talking about that, that is often
what we hear cited from people who say,
I'm excited for this pick because he wants
to, who likes processed foods or who doesn't
think that those school lunches should be healthier.
But then you also hear him saying.
Notice, by the way, they have no problem
throwing the food industry under the bus.
Because it's a much smaller portion of the
advertising.
By the way, I thought it was hilarious.
I love that President Trump is keeping RFK
Jr. close at hand.
He needs the protection.
I'd say RFK Jr. is the most dangerous
man, the most hunted man in America right
now, and the first buddy.
And they're all on the plane, and they're
all eating at McDonald's.
It's like, it's kind of funny.
Like, yeah, we're going to make America healthy
again.
Let's have some Big Macs on the 757.
You know why he does that?
Why he eats at McDonald's?
Because it's good?
Well, that's not true.
It tastes good?
No.
I give up.
It doesn't taste good.
He had made the determination years ago that,
because, and I know this.
For a fact.
What?
You know it for a fact, whatever it
is you're going to say.
I kind of know it for a fact.
It's because he doesn't have to clear it
through the Secret Service, the food.
Oh, interesting.
When Bill Clinton was in Berkeley, not recently,
when he was president, he went to Chez
Panisse, and I knew the maitre d' there.
He told me that the Secret Service came
in there to check out the food.
They had to check out who was cooking
it.
They had to do all these things to
make sure they didn't poison him.
So when Trump just buys random Big Macs
from a random McDonald's, it's automatically cleared by
the Secret Service.
They don't have to go through all the
rigmarole.
So he ends up eating a lot of
fast food.
Well, that puts a whole new slant on
the E.
coli in McDonald's quarter pounders, doesn't it?
Could have been the fourth assassination attempt.
It's just an interesting point.
I never thought of that.
Onions from California?
No, that's, you know, a guy of Trump's
age, E.
coli could have been...
Yeah, E.
coli would be a killer.
I'm just saying.
All right, we continue with the former CDC
director.
Who likes processed foods or who doesn't think
that those school lunches should be healthier?
But then you also hear him saying things
like the linking vaccines to autism in children,
which was debunked.
I think that if you want to say
this, Caitlin Collins, $3 million woman, you can't
say debunked.
You have to say it was scientifically proven
incorrect.
But she can't say that because I don't
think there's ever been any study since the
Wakefield papers that have actually studied it properly.
See your previous clip of the same guy
who said, yeah, we should probably study that.
You think?
Who likes processed foods or who doesn't think
that those school lunches should be healthier?
But then you also hear him saying things
like the linking vaccines to autism in children,
which was debunked.
And, you know, this isn't something that happened
before and he's changed his mind on it
because the transition co-chair, Howard Lutnick, who's
running this, met with RFK Jr. in the
lead up to the election.
I had him sitting here.
And after a two hour meeting with RFK
Jr., listen to what he said to me.
And what he explained was when he was
born, we had three vaccines and autism was
one in 10,000.
Now a baby is born with 76 vaccines.
I mean, he was able to convince the
CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, who later said he
believes in the science of vaccines.
On that, he was pushing things that are
not true about vaccines and having a being
the HHS secretary.
People trust you.
You have a platform.
Yeah.
The idea that.
Now, wait, wait for this science.
Tell me how this science works that this
former CDC director is going to explain to
us about vaccines and receiving vaccines would be
parental choice scares me.
You know, one of the things that we
because because we need the money have in
America is a contract between each other.
And an important part of that public health
is vaccination.
I vaccinate my children to protect them, but
also to protect other people's children.
Huh?
Well, do they work or do they not
work?
This is the thing that they did with
the COVID vaccine.
So you're you vaccinate your child to protect
your children, which is fine.
If you want to do that, you can
cut off the nuts if you want to
use a John C.
Dvorak ism.
So if you want to vaccinate them, that's
fine.
But how does it protect other children?
If if it I mean, does it stop
the spread?
Does it does it not give your child?
I mean, I don't understand if they work,
then you don't have to worry about other
children, do you?
But also to protect other people's children.
You know, sending a child to school, you
need to have that confidence that the child
sitting next to them isn't going to give
them measles or whooping cough because their parent
decided that they didn't want to get their
child vaccinated because they're hearing all of this
misinformation.
We vaccinate our kids because we care about
our children, our families and our community.
I don't understand the logic.
It's the same with the COVID vaccine.
You vaccinate your child to protect your child
if you believe that that's going to protect
your child.
But now it's like, no, no, I do
that so that it won't give it to
another unvaccinated child.
This isn't this is not science.
So let's bring in a scientist, Dr. Celine
Gounder.
You know her from CBS.
She is one of America's favorite doctors.
So Dr. Gounder, as a health professional, what
is your reaction to this pick?
And what do you make of his credentials?
Many of us are concerned that he doesn't
have the medical, the scientific or the public
health credentials for this job.
Now, that said, he has credentials is not
the ones you like.
There have been lawyers, including the current HHS
secretary, Javier Becerra, who have held that position.
What is critical in those situations is that
it's somebody who knows that they don't know
everything about health care, public health, science, and
that they're willing to talk to experts to
take their counsel and advice.
And what is concerning is that RFK Jr.
has been very vocal about not trusting scientific
experts, technical experts in these spaces.
And in fact, has said he would like
to get rid of civil service bureaucrats who
have been lifelong experts working in these agencies
who are also the ones, by the way,
who know how to actually get things done.
OK, what she's really talking about is.
Oh, yeah, no, she's really talking about, you
know, it's one of those deep state things
again.
So these lifelong experts work at the Centers
for Disease Control.
They work at the Food and Drug Administration.
They work at the National Institutes of Health.
What are the implications if they're removed?
Can they be removed?
And how does that impact the health of
Americans?
Well, this is part of what Trump has
also been saying that he would like to
do is get rid of, quote, the deep
state, much of which is these career bureaucrats,
for lack of a better word.
But really, these civil servants who dedicated their
careers to working in the public's interest without
that layer of people, without these kinds of
scientific and technical experts, we could really find
ourselves in trouble.
So some of the specific issues RFK has
been wanting to take on, for example, and
I think this is one that many health
professionals are actually in favor of, which is
better regulating our food supply, in particular, food
additives, preservatives, ultra processed foods.
But you actually need to know how to
navigate the science, how to navigate the law.
And to get that done, you would really
need to have Congress on board.
Congress may have to grant some additional authorities,
particularly given some of the decisions made by
the Supreme Court in recent years, the major
questions doctrine, for example.
And without the right backup, scientific backup, it's
going to be very difficult for him to
get that done.
She says something very interesting here, which I
caught it only the second time I listened
to the clip.
She's talking about doctrine.
Now, in one case, she's mentioning, without saying
it, the Chevron deference.
But then she says the major questions doctrine,
which is another form, which I hadn't heard
of, and luckily, we have our constitutional lawyer
who's going to help us with this.
But this is another, it's another version of
a deference like Chevron deference.
I think they call it the clear statement
rule.
When the agency asserts it has authority to
decide major questions, court should independently determine whether
the agency's interpretation of its statutory authority is
the most reasonable reading of the statute.
That's Chevron deference.
Under this major questions, the doctrine says that
courts must not interpret statutes as delegating major
questions to agencies unless Congress clearly said so.
So she is on the inside somehow and
already knows that this is where it's going
to go towards, and probably another Supreme Court
ruling about this major questions doctrine, which is
new for me.
So we're going to get the skinny on
this.
She'll wrap it up by telling you, you're
stupid.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Don't you dare try and research anything yourself.
And measles will kill your child.
Let me talk to you about this.
The CDC and World Health Organization said on
Thursday, the global measles cases surged by more
than 20% last year.
Of what?
Of what?
I'm doing a John Cena work.
Of what?
Did it go to 20, to 200, to
2000?
Of what?
The global measles.
It could have gone from, yeah.
We don't know.
We don't know.
Measles cases surged by more than 20%
last year.
And 7,000 people, mostly young children, died
from the disease.
We just heard how Kennedy feels about the
measles vaccine in particular.
We also know that the measles vaccine is
highly effective at preventing death from measles.
Really?
So what kind of effect might Kennedy's advocacy,
even though he says that people should be
allowed to make their own decision about taking
vaccines.
I just have a question.
My impression of the measles vaccine, which I
didn't receive.
I got measles.
I got chicken pox.
I got the mumps in my lifetime.
We're not super old, and we've been around
for a bit.
I've had all three myself.
Yeah.
We didn't have a vaccine for it.
Wasn't the point of the vaccine?
Well, you won't get it.
And now it's like, no, you won't die
from it.
This is the COVID speak again.
Yeah.
COVID speak.
It's COVID.
I like COVID speak.
Yes.
What do you think the actual implications, the
impact that will have on.
Stop a second.
I just want to mention something.
You know, the COVID thing was always, well,
I got sick, but I would have gotten
sicker.
Yeah.
If I hadn't had this.
There's no way of proving that.
No, no, you can't prove a negative or
some smart saying like that.
What do you think the actual implications, the
impact that will have on what is really
for health professionals, a concerning trend when we're
talking about measles?
Here it comes.
Well, a couple of things.
One, he made a comment that the measles
vaccine does not induce sterilizing immunity.
That, in fact, is all the more reason
you need the population immunity.
Think of it as you're holding an umbrella
by yourself.
Hold on a second.
So she's going to agree here that it
doesn't make you sterile from measles.
Doesn't doesn't completely 100% save you from
getting it.
But now she's going to say we all
need a little bit of protection to protect
everybody else.
Not induce sterilizing immunity.
That, in fact, is all the more reason
you need the population immunity.
Think of it as you're holding an umbrella
by yourself in a storm versus you're in
a crowd of people, all of them with
overlapping umbrellas.
You're going to be way drier in that
crowd of umbrellas.
And that's essentially what kind of an analogy
is this vaccine umbrella theory.
Surely you've heard of it.
It's vaccine umbrella and be way drier in
that crowd of umbrellas.
And that's essentially what we try to do
with the measles.
Into umbrellas is what you're going to be
doing vaccine.
Now, it's very concerning because the fact is
most people do not have the expertise.
Googling, by the way, is not doing research
that is in general going to confirm any
biases, emotions you might have had.
Science is when you formulate a hypothesis, excuse
me, a hypothesis.
You experiment to test the hypothesis.
You understand how to distinguish between causation and
correlation.
You understand that you have to repeat experiments
time and again to make sure your result
is not just a fluke, a statistical fluke,
a coincidence.
You mean like climate change nonsense?
That is science.
What people do when they go on Google,
that is not science and that is not
doing research.
And so what's happening is people are confirming
these emotional reactions.
And I think that is what it will
drive a lot of the decision making.
So notice that they've completely moved away from
the actual issue, which is, and we don't
have, she didn't give us any data for
that.
I didn't hear Caitlin or, no, I'm not
Caitlin, the CBS morning team say, well, I
mean, autism has gone down since we've had
the measles vaccine.
Autism is diminishing because it's not.
Or say, hey, maybe autism is caused by
something else.
They don't have any research on that, so
they don't talk about it.
So they're, what is that, what do you
call that?
The Overton window?
Or they're moving the goalposts.
They're distracting you.
Yeah, they're moving the goalposts.
They, it's unbelievable.
I have, now I have some.
And then they're so arrogant about it.
Oh, you know, you just go on Google,
you think you're doing research.
Well, if you Google research papers and you
read a few research papers, that's kind of
doing research, seems to me.
Are you a scientist?
Are you a scientist?
I am actually.
I can claim to be a scientist.
I was a chemist.
Professionally.
Professionally.
Hey, I believe you.
I'm just saying that you need to be
quiet.
Now, before I get to my killer clips,
I want to remind everybody of the 1970s
TV series, The Brady Bunch.
Peter, what are you doing home from school?
They sent me home.
Measles.
See, their measles are a strange case of
red freckles.
You have got a temperature.
They told me 101.1. What's the record?
Never mind.
Oh, are you sure it's the measles?
Well, he certainly got all the symptoms.
A slight temperature, a lot of dots, and
a great big smile.
A great big smile?
No school for a few days.
Say hello to my dotted son for me.
Tell him I'll bring him some comic books
and I'll see you later, dear.
Okay, honey.
Bye.
Boy, this is the life, isn't it?
Yeah.
If you have to get sick, you sure
can't beat the measles.
That's right.
No medicine.
Inside or out.
Like shots, I mean.
Don't even mention shots.
Yuck.
Measles.
Measles.
Measles.
Well, all the kids have now had the
measles.
So have I.
Well, I had them years ago.
Looks like the Brady's are finished with the
measles.
Hold it.
No, Alice.
You're not through yet.
Alice, don't tell me you're coming down with
the measles.
Oh, I hope so.
I'd hate to think I was just learning
how to blush at my age.
I can't even believe if that still runs
on television anywhere.
Could you imagine the pharmaceutical industry noticing a
Brady Bunch kid saying, ooh, I hate shots?
No, no, no, no.
So I have the three, the three clips
here.
They're all relatively short of RFK Jr. himself
speaking.
I believe this was an interview done while
he was at Mar-a-Lago.
This is why he is the most dangerous
man in America today and must be protected
at all costs.
Reason number one.
I'm not intimidated by the agencies.
I know how they work and I know
how to change them.
And most of those changes you do not
need Congress for.
The president, President Trump could have done it,
had the power to do it himself.
And President Biden has the power to do
it himself.
And I'll give you an example.
With a stroke of the pen, you can
change back the rule.
That allows pharmaceutical advertisers to do direct to
consumer ads on television.
That's one of the big problems.
That's why one of the reasons we have
this entrenched agency capture, not only of Congress,
because they control the airwaves, they control the
evening news.
Seventy five percent of the revenues for those
evening news shows are, you know, Anderson Cooper
is coming from Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies.
And those companies are dictating content on those
shows and they dictate the official narratives.
And they're able then to exercise huge control
over Congress.
So Congress is terrified of them.
But with a stroke of the pen, you
can say this is not good for the
health of our country, which it isn't.
We spend three times more than any other
country for pharmaceutical drugs because of all this
advertising.
There's number one.
Now, I looked it up.
I know.
I know.
Just because I do Google searches doesn't mean
I'm a lawyer.
It is actually more powerful for the secretary
of health and human services to direct the
FDA to change the rules of television advertising,
which have changed all the time.
Go ahead.
Where'd you get that clip?
It's the oh, what's her name?
It's a clip of the day type clip,
but it didn't show up on the media.
There was nothing.
The media is going to get it.
No, this is what's her name?
She does the brunette dark hair.
It's usually a tight shot.
Brunette with dark hair.
Dark hair.
She does a tight shot.
She does this kind of stuff all the
time.
Oh, somebody help me out, please.
Is it the podcaster?
Or is she a well, you know, I
think she used to work for the Hill.
And then she left.
I'll figure it out.
The point is, it's RFK Jr. Telling you
what he's going to do.
Yeah, I'm just trying to know how this
came about, how this clip.
I'm sure he says this all the time.
I'm going to tell you.
But this is my point earlier, which is
this has never played on the media, because
heaven forbid, someone gets a clue and stop
this advertising.
Oh, no, this is this is never going
to happen.
No, it wasn't on television.
Oh, man.
Normally, I tag my clips, but it was
an embedded video.
And so that's why.
But I recognized her.
I will get you that information.
So it was not on.
She has a big show, but it's not.
I don't care.
It's not that important.
The clip itself is important.
Yes.
OK.
And so it is actually less powerful.
If the president does this, it'll immediately have
judges who are federal judges who will be
filing complaints and stays.
But the FDA, they are the ones that
can tighten regulations.
They could make it so difficult because they
actually just implemented a new rule in, I
think, March of this year about the affordability
and how you present that information here.
What is it?
I have it here.
And while you're looking for that up, I
want to mention that there's only two countries
in the world that allow this kind of
prescription drug advertising.
Yes.
That's the United States and New Zealand.
Nobody else allows it because of its ability
to corrupt the system.
It corrupts the system.
This is from the from the FDA and
this implements as of May 2020, 24.
Just an example of what the FDA can
do direct to consumer prescription drug advertisements, presentation
of the major statement in a clear, conspicuous
and neutral manner and advertisements in television and
radio format.
So they are completely telling drug companies how
they need to speak in their advertisements.
So if you have the president do this,
I think you get immediately into First Amendment
with the right, you know, the whole bunch
of distraction where and maybe that's why he's
saying it.
But I think Kennedy himself can direct the
FDA to direct the pharmaceutical companies to say
stuff like, we don't actually know if it
works, but try it anyway.
You know that I think he can make
them do that.
I think he should take they should make
them take these ads off.
If they even do that, it's not going
to help.
And I understand what you're saying.
I'm just looking at it pragmatically.
But this is, as he said, 75 percent
of the budget comes from pharmaceutical advertising.
I think that's probably close to it.
And we know that many CNN in particular
has a lot of Pfizer connections.
Now we go to the second reason RFK
Jr. is the most dangerous man in the
universe.
Another thing that I can do is I
can open up all the databases right now,
all the databases that you can actually check
the efficacy and the safety of vaccines like
the vaccine safety database.
It's that, you know, it's the topic.
It's all the vaccine records and the medical
claims for 10 million Americans from the top
10 HMOs.
Oh, you can look in there and overnight
you can say, oh, this vaccine is associated
with diabetes.
This one's associated with peanut allergies.
This one's associated with ASD, neurological ticks or
whatever.
That database, CDC keeps it in a lockbox
like Fort Knox and make sure no scientist
is allowed in there.
Well, I'll open up that database on day
one.
Open the database.
Neurological ticks.
I could be vaccine injured.
It did start around seven when when all
kinds of you got some shots.
You weren't born with no Tourette's.
You know, no, it's possible.
Yeah, well, the fact that he dropped that
little bombshell in there means that somebody knows
something.
And then the third reason RFK Jr. is
the most dangerous man in the universe.
And, you know, also, I'll bring all the
medical journals, the New England Journal of Medicine,
the Lancet, JAMA into the Justice Department.
As soon as I appoint an AG and
I'll say to them, you guys are part
of a racketeering syndicate.
You're collaborating with these pharmaceutical industry to lie
to the American public about the efficacy and
safety of these products.
And you're causing enormous harm.
And we are going to sue you both
civilly for damages.
And we're going to sue you criminally unless
you come up with a plan right now
as to how you're going to stop doing
that.
So I have like I have a hundred
things that I'm going to do immediately.
Okay.
Yes.
Clip of the day, by the way.
Thank you.
So you are absolutely correct.
This guy is going to get shot.
Well, that's why I'm glad he's eating burgers
with Trump on the plane.
Keep him very close.
And you know what?
Whenever RFK Jr.'s walk around, just have Elon
walk in front of him.
That would make me feel better.
The first buddy of the first buddy walk
in front of him.
I mean, and go, Bobby.
This is this is fantastic.
And you think the media would be because,
you know, the traditionally journalists are all for
this sort of thing because it's fun.
But no, no, they're pooh poohing it.
This is what he that last clip in
particular where he's going to go after these
bogus journals, which we've noticed these things have
pulled some stunts recently.
They can't do that.
No, they have to be called to task.
This is ridiculous.
Kennedy.
Yeah.
Kennedy's got to get in now more than
ever.
Those three clips are are fundamental.
Again, television is in the fight for its
life right now and they can figure it
out.
No, they can't.
They're done by cutting the budgets on Whoopi
Goldberg, getting six million dollars and Joy Behar
getting seven million dollars.
And here's the other thing that's funny.
Joy Behar.
And then you have that that other what's
the name of the woman who's the Spanish
girl who thinks she's black?
Sonny Hauston.
Sonny Hauston gets one point five million.
Joy Behar gets seven million dollars for doing
the same job.
Where is this idea of the job equality?
You're supposed to get paid for doing the
same job, the same amount.
Isn't that one of the big precepts of
the whole liberal notion?
Did you get paid the same job, same
pay?
Why can't those two get the same amount
of money?
Good point.
Well, after all, Sonny's forefathers were slave owners,
so she needs to get dinged.
Rob, our constitutional lawyer, sends me a quick
little note.
Good summary of the major questions doctrine.
When you're ready, I'm hiring you.
All right.
I have an exit strategy.
I'm going to become a lawyer.
He says it's all about the separation of
powers.
Congress needs to do its freaking job and
quit abdicating.
OK, we'll get a deeper analysis than that.
That is his off the cuff quick analysis.
He's listening in the chat room.
Oh, no, this is this is D.M.,
baby.
We have a hotline.
You can't get in.
He's listening.
He's got to be listening somewhere.
He is in the stream.
Yeah, but he he he D.M.'s me
live.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's what he's not going to do
in the in the trolling, because obviously what's
going to happen there is going to get
lost in the shuffle.
He's above the trolls.
Let's we haven't checked in with NPR.
We need to hear what our national treasurer
thinks of all this.
Donald Trump is also nominating Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. to head the Department of Health
and Human Services.
If confirmed by the Senate, Kennedy would oversee
nearly two trillion dollars in mandatory spending and
agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration.
NPR Stephen Fowler says Kennedy is a vaccine
skeptic who's promoted conspiracy theories about health care.
If he's confirmed by the Senate, the role
gives Kennedy the chance to actualize a vision
that's often at odds with mainstream health and
science, likely through a combination of scaling back
existing programs and refocusing others to align with
his, quote, make America healthy again goals.
He told NPR that the government isn't going
to take away vaccines from anybody, but said
the science on vaccine safety has huge deficits.
Vaccine experts disagree with that assessment.
Just disagree.
A final clip for me on on on
RFK Jr., and then I think we need
to move on to your next series of
to our next smears.
Now, let's go straight to the source.
Anderson Cooper 360.
He would never.
And he just did, as in Donald Trump
would never put Robert F.
Kennedy Jr., a vaccine skeptic and Kobe conspiracy
theorist in charge of the Department of Health
and Human Services.
He would never.
Well, he just did.
He just picked RFK Jr. Not for the
advisory role that some had expected, but for
the full Monty to run a department overseeing
the National Institutes of Health for Disease Control,
the FDA, Medicare, all of it and more.
Kennedy is well known for backing the long
debunked claim that childhood vaccines cause autism.
He has also promoted conspiracy theories.
In fact, COVID-19, there's an argument that
it is ethnically targeted.
It's interesting that that they're digging so deep.
They're digging for the clip that we gave
up on because we couldn't make it audible
enough.
In fact, COVID-19, there's an argument that
it is ethnically targeted.
COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately.
COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and
black people.
The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi
Jews and Chinese.
So Kennedy subsequently denied he had ever suggested
that the COVID virus was, quote, targeted to
spare Jews.
Instead, Kennedy claimed he had meant to say
the United States and other governments were developing,
quote, ethically targeted bioweapons, which is another conspiracy
theory.
He is also known for encountering wildlife, whether
it is chainsawing the head off a dead
whale 30 years ago and strapping it onto
the family car or a decade ago, picking
up a bear cub carcass, intended to take
it home to eat, but then dumping it
in New York's Central Park instead when his
day ran long.
No, no, this guy's a kook.
Get him out.
He's a kook.
I tell you, he's a kook.
I am so happy about this.
This is, this is going to become a
huge battle in the Senate.
You're going to see, of course, you're going
to see the senators that have been sold,
that have sold out the big pharma and
the vaccine, you know, non-liable liability group.
Yeah, you're going to see the corrupt senators
are going to all show their faces and
they're going to all be.
This is going to be interesting because there's
lots of them.
I think your point and I'm sorry to
interrupt.
Your point is so well made and we'd
have to keep hammering on it.
If it's so good, these vaccines, then you
don't need immunity.
That's it.
That's it.
I mean, you want to advertise?
Then accept, then accept your product liability.
There you go.
That's the way to play it.
It's so good.
And also it's, it sets them right in,
in the crosshairs by saying, you want to
inject this into our kids.
Some of them even, you know, the day
they're born, I think even, or maybe within
a week.
If it's so good, then you should accept
product liability.
Otherwise you shouldn't be advertising it on television.
That's it.
It's that simple.
And I was talking to, um, I don't
think it even has to do with advertising.
You should be able to accept product liability
for any product that sold to the public.
I was talking to my buddy, the ER
doctor, and he says, he believes that when,
when RFK jr is done and he's big
on RFK jr.
When, when RFK jr is done, he believes
that there will be many, um, pediatricians who
will commit suicide when they learn that they
have severely hurt hundreds, if not thousands of
their young patients, just because they didn't question
the science.
They just believe what was being told because
they're not all evil.
Also, it makes up 40% of the
revenue of most pediatricians.
So the, the whole practice will be, uh,
up at, I mean, it'll be over.
It just, um, upended.
And, but he was, he said, I know
so many doctors, even in his own family.
He said, if they find out that these
vaccines were really hurting their patients, they are,
they need to be put on suicide watch.
They will, they will be so, they will
feel so horrible about this.
So let's just give these doctors a little
bit of the benefit because what do they
know?
This is what you're taught.
Shut up, diagnose, prescribe, do it.
It's on the schedule.
Do what you're supposed to do.
Government knows best.
So there's a lot of changes coming.
I hope we'll see, we can keep them
alive and keep them alive.
I am not convinced that any changes are
coming personally.
I know, but you're, you're just miss Daisy
optimism.
So that's, I am let's smear Tulsi.
Well, the next one that come along, I
mean, we, we could go through these all
different people.
I mean, there's Hank, Seth, there's a bunch
of these, but the only one I collect
is interesting.
Tulsi is interesting.
Tulsi is a good one because, uh, they
have, they really want to get her.
She, um, the, the, just the stuff that
they come in, this Caitlin Collins, again, the,
the lipless Caitlin Collins.
She has no lips, you know, kind of
a slit for a mouth.
We need another, we know the lipless wonder
the lip.
We need something with an L the lipless
loud mouth.
Um, and we've got to work on it.
We'll work on it.
Lipless.
She's terrible.
Yeah, she is.
But this is the Tulsi CNN, Caitlin Collins.
Donald Trump's picked oversee 18 different agencies.
Once introduced legislation to keep the CIA from
operating in Syria, said she would have dropped
the charges against both Julian Assange, who published
military secrets and Edward Snowden, the former CIA
contractor.
Who did you notice that?
What she just said that he published military
secrets.
Oh, you mean like Pentagon papers?
I mean, she just glosses over that.
That's exactly what he did.
It's called journalism.
And Edward Snowden, the former CIA contractor who
leaked intelligence in 2013, Tulsi Gabbard has supported
a conspiracy theory that the U S was
helping Ukraine develop biological weapons.
Russian state TV recently referred to her as
quote, our girlfriend, but Gabbard and Trump have
not always seen eye to eye.
I should note in 2017, when she met
with the Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, while
Trump was ordering airstrikes on Syrian targets.
She also disagreed when Trump didn't act in
response to the murder of the Washington post
journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
Oh, didn't read, didn't respond.
No good.
All those things sound good to me.
I mean, she, you know, Snowden was a
whistleblower basically for, you know, they're spying on
us.
None of this stuff is good, but she's
defending all the bad stuff.
But, but then we go to clip two
here and this is just the beginning.
It's only an eight second, but it introduces
an ask Adam.
Oh, hold on.
Answer the question.
Go.
All right.
Clip first.
Yeah.
Clip two.
She also once accused Trump of being quote,
Saudi Arabia's bitch.
My inside source was Trump's longest serving national
security.
Who said that?
Hold on.
I want to hear that clip again.
She also once accused Trump of being quote,
Saudi Arabia's bitch.
My inside source was Trump's longest serving national
security.
Longest serving national security advisor.
The question is, who was that?
Yeah.
Who's she going to bring on the show
is the point.
Oh, who is she?
Brennan.
To back up all these claims of hers.
And the fact that Tulsi's a horrible person,
who's she going to bring on?
The fart sniffer.
What's his name?
The mustache man.
Boom.
What's his name?
Fart sniffer.
Bolton.
Bolton.
Wait.
Now, just so we understand there, there was
a story that we've discussed that he would
go to some club in New York where
they would sniff each other's farts.
Am I am I recalling this incorrectly?
I don't remember that particular thing, but he
looks like the type.
I think that's the discussion we had.
He looks like the type.
Yes.
All right.
Fart sniffer on deck.
My inside source was Trump's longest serving national
security advisor.
Ambassador John Bolton is here.
And obviously, Ambassador, I don't think it's surprising
that Trump picked someone who he once disagreed
with or has criticized him to put in
his cabinet.
We've seen that with his own vice president.
But on the director of national intelligence position
specifically, when you were there, what was Trump's
relationship like with his last DNI?
Well, the DNI who was there when I
was there was Dan Coats.
And as as with Dan and CIA director
Gina Haspel, he was in constant confrontation with
him.
He didn't trust the intelligence community.
He thought it was conspiring against him.
And he tried to suppress things that that
he didn't like.
You know, that's that's that's typical Donald Trump.
And I think the nomination of Tulsi Gabbard
shows that this is his his effort to
interfere in the work of the intelligence community,
specifically where it affects him.
This is not about some broad conspiracy to
politicize intelligence.
This is about a protection racket for Donald
Trump.
Wow.
Wow.
She's this guy.
This guy is amazing.
He's amazing.
He's the worst.
I think that I mean, of course, Trump
has talked into hiring him.
And it was just the biggest mistake.
Let's go to that for a protection racket
for Donald Trump.
How so?
Well, I think he expects Tulsi Gabbard when
she has to testify in Congress to look
out for his interest.
I think that that he demonstrated that at
the end of his term and in releasing
classified information that that he felt supported his
case on various allegations that had been made
against him.
I think Tulsi Gabbard is utterly unqualified to
be to have any connection with the intelligence
community whatsoever.
And if you laugh, tell.
Oh, yeah, I heard it.
I heard it had been made against him.
I think Tulsi Gabbard is utterly unqualified to
be to have any connection with the intelligence
community whatsoever.
And the views that she's expressed, including, for
example, saying of Donald Trump himself that he
committed an illegal and unconstitutional act of war
when he ordered the elimination of Qasem Soleimani,
her her views are not extreme.
They're bizarre.
And to put somebody like that in possession,
ultimately, of any secret the United States has
that she wants to know about is comfort
to our adversaries and should be alarming to
Americans.
And when you talk about her testifying, the
director of national intelligence and other officials testify
at these annual worldwide threat assessment hearings on
Capitol Hill.
I remember when Dan Coats was testifying and
he was talking about Russia's attempts to spy
to interfere in U.S. elections.
And someone called me and said, you could
hear Trump screaming from the West Wing because
he was so angry about what Dan Coats
was testifying about.
I mean, how dramatically reshaped do you think
the intelligence community looks under under a Trump
administration if Tulsi Gabbard is confirmed here?
Do you think that anyone except us really
cares about watching what they're doing here?
If you if you just flip in channels
and you see that mustache, are you going
to stop like, oh, hold on a second.
I got to watch this.
No, just us.
OK, just want to make sure it's just
us.
Yeah.
Onward.
This is the kicker.
You want to set it up?
Uh, I, I, there was some.
I can't remember what the kicker was.
It doesn't say kicker on here, so it's
not much of a kicker.
Oh, OK.
Well, here we go.
If we're being intellectually honest, there's really no
good.
I'm sorry, I'm I'm looking at the wrong
one.
No, I did not.
I did not do that on purpose.
No, I'm sorry.
You're right.
No kicker.
Well, I think it'll be a point of
open warfare.
It's one of the areas like the Defense
Department, like the Justice Department in particular, where
Trump has the biggest ax to grind.
And it's reason among for all the criticism,
all these Trump appointments that are coming, you
know, people in the Senate are only going
to have a limited number of opportunities.
And while I know some would say oppose
every one of them, you need to pick
your targets here because because the political pressure
to to confirm Trump's appointees is is going
to be very intense.
And I do think presidents are entitled to
deference.
I think the confirmation process have gotten out
of hand.
But deference doesn't mean obeisance.
And in the cases of Gavin and Gates
in particular, they are well, well outside any
any conceivable norms for competence and character.
So I think the priority ought to be
safeguard our national secrets by rejecting Tulsi Gabbard
and protect the rule of law by rejecting
Matt Gates.
If you can achieve those two things and
people want to go after other targets, be
my guess.
Oh, goodness.
Who's he taking money from?
Who pays that guy?
That's a good question.
He's got to be in some some think
tank somewhere making some dough on something.
It's got to be.
Well, he did that book, but that book
didn't sell.
Well, it's not making royalties.
Doesn't mean they didn't.
Yeah, they could have given a big up
front.
That's possible.
I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Something like that.
I have one Tulsi smear clip and I
think this is the money shot.
I think it's the one that matters because
who did MSNBC bring on?
He's a contributor.
He's involved in the intelligence community.
Ask John Brennan.
Brennan.
Well, Nicole, I think you and Tom Nichols
have done a great job just underscoring all
the concerns that people have about this appointment.
Clearly, Tulsi Gabbard has taken actions and made
statements over the past several years that really
raise serious questions about her common sense, her
judgment, as well as her political sympathies, cozying
up to Putin, as well as to maybe
with Bashar Assad, I think really does show
that she doesn't have the type of perspective
that is needed for somebody who's going to
head up these 18 intelligence agencies.
And as Tom Nichols said, she doesn't have
any qualifications.
The director of national intelligence, that's a really
serious position and a very complex and complicated
one that requires somebody who actually has an
understanding of the intelligence community.
It's like an orchestra conductor of all the
different agencies and departments that are involved in
the intelligence process.
And I don't think she understands even the
instruments that are involved in this orchestra.
She had any experience at the strategic level
of running and leading a large complex organization.
And the director of national intelligence is, according
to legislation, the president's principal intelligence advisor.
The person who is responsible for making sure
that the president's daily brief is put together
in a very sound and forthright manner.
The person who puts together the budget and
the priorities of the intelligence community.
So I know that this appointment is sending
shockwaves here in the United States, but also
around the globe in terms of is this
really somebody who Donald Trump is going to
entrust with the care and the leadership of
the intelligence community?
An unserious pick for a serious position.
Unserious pick for a serious position, he says.
And he can know because he's Brennan, the
Muslim.
Brennan.
Kim Iverson.
It just hit me.
Kim Iverson show.
That's where I got the Kennedy clips.
You know Kim Iverson.
I don't think I do.
You've seen her.
You've seen her.
I probably have.
Kim Iverson.
There was one other appointment that led to
a hilarious clip.
This is the Department of Energy.
Chris Wright, he is replacing.
And we will miss her.
We'll miss the big ears.
We'll miss the plates on the side of
the head of Granholm.
You're talking about somebody, the old Department of
Energy woman.
They keep going on and on about no
experience.
Come on.
That entire Biden cabinet is no experience.
It's almost earmarked by it.
In fact, I'm going to play it.
Nobody said anything about that.
I'll play a clip of Granholm first because
she was over there in COP 29.
And this was really good.
So she did a speech.
She did question and answer session.
And it's so the whole thing is so
orchestrated that she even she couldn't even figure,
oh, who am I?
Who's supposed to ask the next question?
Let me check my just like Biden.
OK, the question, not random questions.
The questions that have been rehearsed beforehand.
Let me make sure I have the correct
answer to the question that is coming now.
Yes, your turn.
Go last question to.
Sorry, I am not sure who that's to.
Nazrin Babaeva.
What is the core message of the United
States delivering on COP 29 regarding its role
in advancing global energy and energy transition and
combating climate change?
So our message is that regardless of who
is actually occupying the White House, this transition
is happening.
It is happening in the United States at
the subnational level and with the private sector
and with NGOs.
It is happening globally with countries that you
all represent who are not turning back.
The absence of leadership in the White House
does not mean that this energy transition is
stopped.
In fact, I would say to countries who
might see the U.S. stepping back from
climate policy as a reason to step back
themselves.
I would say to the contrary, this is
the time to accelerate, to fill that gap
that may be left by leadership in the
United States.
But truly, this transition is happening and there's
no turning back.
Thanks, everybody.
It's happening.
There's no turning back.
Well, maybe you're wrong because this Chris Wright
is a totally fossil fuel, fossil fuel guy.
President-elect Donald Trump continues to fill positions
in his second administration, announcing Chris Wright as
his nominee to lead the Department of Energy.
Wright, the chief executive of Liberty Energy, the
world's second largest fracking services company, is one
of the most outspoken critics of efforts to
combat climate change, posting this video on LinkedIn
last year.
There is no climate crisis and we're not
in the midst of an energy transition either.
Ninety nine percent of climate scientists agree.
What?
What happened?
It went to ninety nine all of a
sudden.
No, no, either.
But ninety nine percent of climate scientists agree
humans are causing global warming and climate change.
The Department of Energy's own website states a
clean energy revolution is taking place across America,
underscored by the steady expansion of the U
.S. renewable energy sector.
It's on the website.
That means it must be happening.
It's on the website, people.
On the website.
But heaven forbid you go to Google to
do your research.
Oh, no, no.
So I'd like to wind this up with
a couple.
Well, before you leave this topic, I have
to throw a couple.
And we have also another person that needs
to be announced because we made a mistake.
We tried to guess the press secretary.
Yeah, we did.
I was I thought Alina Haba had it
in the bag.
I thought so, too.
I was not arguing with you, but it
turns out I do have the press secretary
clip.
But before we go to that, I want
to talk about this this guy, this fracking
guy and Burgum, who became department of the
of the interior guy.
They're going to pick him.
No one's going to push.
What does the secretary of the interior do?
What are they?
Well, he takes care of land management, basically.
And so he pushes farmers around and he
will do that.
But he will also open up the and
he's from, coincidentally, North Dakota, which many people
believe has got the largest world's largest supply
of God knows what kind of oil reserves
underneath the ground and liquid gold way, shape
and form.
So North Dakota is going to be go
back to where it was headed during the
first Trump administration as being a huge supplier
of worldwide oil products.
Oil Baron Paul, you better go buy some
land over there in North Dakota.
I would like that.
I would like to just ask our people
in general that there are producers.
What would be the stock tips?
And does it carry over for another show?
Yeah.
But what kind of what companies what are
we dealing with here with North Dakota?
Because it became kind of pushed to the
background when Biden got in.
And while it was on this ascendancy, and
I would like to get some inside stuff
from people from North Dakota, we have listeners,
Paul and producers, the oil baron, the oil
baron will tell us what the hell is
going to be hot in North Dakota.
The answer is Bitcoin.
That's going to be hot.
But we'll get it.
We'll see about that.
We'll get it.
We'll get it.
Not very specific to North Dakota.
Let's play this press secretary clip.
Yeah.
All right.
And so we get to who this is
not this woman who who really likes to
dish it out.
I like her.
She's got a she's a kind of a
perky blonde who just likes to get into
arguments.
She's always got a smile on her face
when she's pushing pushing herself in someone's face.
Here we go.
Trump also named his pick for White House
press secretary.
Caroline Leavitt served as Trump's campaign press secretary
and is currently a spokesperson for his transition.
At 27 years old, she's slated to become
the youngest White House press secretary in history.
In a statement, Trump said Leavitt did a
phenomenal job during his campaign, describing her as
smart, tough and a highly effective communicator.
Leavitt responded with a post on X saying
she is humbled and honored.
In 2022, she ran for Congress in New
Hampshire, winning a 10-way Republican primary.
She then lost incumbent Democratic Congressman Chris Pappas.
The White House press secretary typically serves as
the public face of the administration and historically
has held daily briefings for the press corps.
Wow, 27.
Man, I just look at my daughters, my
stepdaughters like, no, no, she's already run for
Congress.
She's an ambitious woman, but she is really
she was on CNN.
There's clips of her.
She just going at it with somebody.
She doesn't put up with any guff, but
she keeps a smile on her face.
She's not like Saki, who's always grimacing.
Do you think that they will continue with
the unnecessary practice of doing a daily briefing?
I have no idea.
I hope not.
Well, I hope not either because it's dumb.
Yeah, it's annoying.
Wow.
All right.
For a 27-year-old, that's quite the
gig, man.
That's going to be she better be eating
nails for breakfast.
Yeah, I think she's got the I think
she has the chops for it.
I hope so.
From what I've seen.
I hope so.
All right.
Now, you had another one you wanted to
play?
I have another.
What is the other?
This is the overall.
This is the I have two more clips
is Trump new cabinet folk, which is a
short clip.
President-elect Donald Trump has named oil executive
Chris Wright as his secretary of energy.
Wright is the CEO of oilfield service company
Liberty Energy.
He's also a Trump campaign donor.
The president-elect says Wright has worked closely
with North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum for years.
Burgum is seen as pro-business and was
also chosen as the next secretary of the
interior and the head of a new National
Energy Council.
Trump said Burgum and Wright would work together
to drive U.S. energy dominance, partly through
deregulation.
Outside the energy sector, President-elect Trump also
named one of his attorneys, Will Scharf, as
White House staff secretary.
Trump still has a dozen or so cabinet
or cabinet level positions to fill.
These include leaders of the Treasury, Commerce and
Labor Departments.
Did I hear the Gensler is resigning?
Did you hear that?
Yeah, I did.
So I guess that's true then.
Instead of getting pushed out, he's going to
resign.
It's probably smart.
Then I have this Lutnick pic, which is
just a minor clip.
Now, Elon Musk and Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. appear to be throwing their support
behind investor Howard Lutnick as a possible next
Treasury secretary.
Trump has not announced his nominee for the
role, but Lutnick and investor Scott Besent are
serious contenders for the job.
Out of the two choices, Musk criticized Besent
as a business as usual choice, and Kennedy
praised Howard Lutnick as a strong advocate for
the cryptocurrency Bitcoin.
Lutnick is the CEO of financial services firm
Cantor Fitzgerald, and Lutnick has been helping Trump
with his transition efforts.
He has praised the president-elect's economic policies,
including his use of tariffs.
Whether Trump's decision could be influenced by the
comments from Musk and Kennedy remains unclear.
Yeah, this guy, I know this guy, not
personally, but he announced a huge Bitcoin financial
services arm of Cantor Fitzgerald, the same conference
that Trump and Kennedy talked about the Bitcoin
strategic reserve.
Interesting.
We'll see.
Yeah, we'll see.
I think it's a long shot, personally.
Well, before I continue with these three final
clips that I have about the cabinet, you
know, I keep reading about Trump doing these
recess appointments.
Because I remember Obama tried to do this
with, I think, four positions.
I think Obama did it.
What was the review?
The Labor Review Board, I think, or it
was some odd position.
There's a couple of screwball ones, but Van
Jones somehow got in.
Everybody got their panties in a bunch over
the Republicans.
So now it's just going to be OK.
I mean, the Constitution says the appointees are
supposed to be accompanied by the advice and
consent of the Senate.
Right.
So now using recess appointments, which is another
little trick, I don't know if it's a
good idea if Trump, I mean, it's going
to be a circus.
Maybe it's like, let's just have Gaetz be
the circus and try and move other people
in slowly and quietly.
I mean, RFK Jr. is the most important
one.
We know that Gaetz is expendable.
I think that Bolton actually made a point
in his hatred of Gabbard and Gaetz.
He said, you know, I think he made
a good point, which is you're not going
to be able to fight all of these.
So you're going to have to pick and
choose your battles if you're going to stop
a couple of them.
I think the Kennedy is going to be
the one because of the corruption of the
pharmaceutical industry in Congress.
I think that's the one.
Whatever Bolton thinks about Gabbard, I don't think
that's going to be that big of a
deal compared to Kennedy.
Yeah.
And so Kennedy's the one that I think
they'd have to slip to.
I mean, everyone, unless the pressure from the
public is increased, but there's this, you know,
half the Democrats think they don't want him,
even though he was a former Democrat and
he was going to be, you know, an
EPA guy from the Obama administration.
It was happy back then.
Well, you know, this pharma thing is really
a problem.
It would even be OK.
Just take this into consideration.
RFK going through the process in the Senate
would really be an opportunity to uncover it
and for him to really speak out.
This is the problem.
The voice is tough, but he can start
to say, hey, look, this is what's going
on.
This is why I'm coming in.
And he might even say, by the way,
how about you with your $2 million donation
from Pfizer?
Hey, you're asking me these questions.
How about you with your $500,000 donation?
Oh, yes.
I think you might be right.
Kennedy would probably relish.
Yes.
Relish doing that.
Right.
Whether he gets in or not, because he
can just throw it back at him.
And Gates is just expendable.
Who knows about that guy?
He's probably getting railroaded.
But anyway, this is the type of analysis
you get on your No Agenda show.
We just keep calm.
We're not all jacked up and jitty and
all mad.
However, if you go to our national treasure,
NPR, this is the type of quality news
and reporting you get.
Trump has been returning to the well over
at Fox repeatedly to fill out his administration.
NPR media correspondent David Fulkenflik has been tracking
the relationship between Trump and Fox for years.
He joins us now.
Hey there.
Hey, Wanda.
Let me start by asking you this.
What does Trump's fascination with the stars over
at Fox tell us about him and his
administration?
Well, I think it's worth remembering that the
developer Donald Trump came to national front of
mind really as a reality TV star.
He sees this as casting and the nominees