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Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
This is November 28th, 2024, this is the
award winning Kimmel Nation media assassination episode 1760.
This is no agenda.
Turkey basting and broadcasting live from the heart
of the Here in FEMA Region Number 6.
In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all
say happy Thanksgiving and go Lions!
I'm John C.
Duborek.
It's Crackpot and Buzzkill!
In the morning!
Who are the Lions?
Is this the Oakland Lions?
Yeah, the Oakland Lions.
What do they play?
What do the Lions play?
That must be a college team.
I don't know about the Lions.
You don't need to know.
There's no reason for you to know.
I'm with you.
Oh, really?
You're with me?
You're with me.
Hey, hey.
You hear him?
You hear the turkeys?
Here we go.
We are ready for you all.
I realize this morning, just as the Curry
family tradition, I think many families around America,
on Christmas, on Christmas Eve, we all sit
down and we read, "'Twas the night before
Christmas."
And we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas,
and all through the house not a creature
was stirring, not even a mouse.
All the stockings were hung by the chimney
with care, with visions of St. Nicholas would
soon be there, etc."
So that is a tradition in America.
For Thanksgiving?
No, that is a Christmas tradition.
I'm now saying, for 17 years, the tradition
within No Agenda Nation, within the household of
No Agenda, has been John's annual explaining why
Thanksgiving is bullcrap.
And I just want you to know, it
has reached so far and wide that it
is now even on the radio here in
Texas.
People are talking about John's Thanksgiving explanation.
I'll just play a little bit of it.
This is on Hill Country Patriot.
John C.
Dvorak, and John puts out a newsletter the
day before each of their podcast shows.
And so yesterday's newsletter came out, and I'm
telling you what, it was this guy, I
don't know, he's butthurt over Thanksgiving.
John C.
Dvorak is butthurt over Thanksgiving.
And so I started reading his article, and
let's see, he says, I'm always amused by
the, and I'm not sure if I can
use all these words, so I'm going to
just clean my mouth.
I'm always amused by the bull stories about
Thanksgiving being about pilgrim maize, turkeys, and Indians,
when the holiday stems from, and then he
goes into, and I just read it, it
was like, man, John C.
Dvorak, you completely missed the point.
This goes on for five minutes.
I'm glad they're picking up on this, on
the reality, folks.
By the way, he says later, you're not
wrong, but you're missing the point.
Yeah, I'm not wrong, but I'm missing the
point.
What was the point?
What did he finally conclude?
Well, I mean, you want me to fast
forward a little bit?
I can skip past all of it.
Listeners here, we know that throughout the history
of this country, that it has been a
regular, regular, starting with the pilgrims, yes, to
set a day aside for thanksgiving to God.
There it is.
Just thank you, and yes, did it come
with harvest?
Yes, that's when a lot of the thanks,
that's when we got the fruits of all
our labor, literally.
He's making it up.
No, he's not.
Somewhere in there, he says, you're right about
the history of it.
Well, allow me to set everybody up, and
then we can do the annual.
I feel bad for people that don't subscribe
to the newsletter.
The whole essay is in there.
I've been running it over and over.
It's the same old filler.
As you can see, it's just copy-paste.
Copy-paste.
Oh, wait, there's an error.
Let me just change the spelling.
The mainstream legacy media, that is Matt Long
on Hill Country Patriot.
He'll love me saying that.
They subscribe to your newsletter.
It's show prep.
It is literally show prep.
Wait a minute, Adam, what was the name
of the show again, and who was that?
Matt Long Show, Hill Country Patriot.
So, we do need to play the Chicago
Museum of History.
Did a nice little piece on WGN explaining
Thanksgiving, and we will do that.
Then we ramp up to have the annual
explanation of Thanksgiving by our very own John
C.
Dvorak.
Long after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock
in 1621 and celebrated a successful harvest with
a three-day gathering that became the first
Thanksgiving, it was the first President of the
United States, George Washington, who declared November 26,
1789, a day of public Thanksgiving.
While a lot of people trace the origins
of the celebration of Thanksgiving in the United
States back to the Pilgrims in Plymouth in
the 17th century, our kind of contemporary understanding
of it really has to do more with
these proclamations that were made by various presidents.
Chicago History Museum Director of Exhibitions Paul DeRicca
says the holiday was observed on and off
for years.
President James Madison proclaimed a Thanksgiving Day in
1814 and 1815.
Thanksgiving as a national holiday really kind of
takes shape and then becomes part of American
culture in the 1860s.
But it wasn't until October 3rd of 1863,
in the midst of the Civil War, that
President Abraham Lincoln made what is now regarded
as the Thanksgiving Proclamation.
He wrote, The year that is drawing to
a close has been filled with the blessings
of fruitful fields and healthful skies.
He called the nation's people and its prosperity,
quote, gracious gifts and said, It has seemed
to me fit and proper that they should
be gratefully acknowledged.
I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens in
every part of the United States to set
apart and observe that last Thursday of November
next as a day of Thanksgiving.
Lincoln's proclamation took effect just one week after
his most famous speech, the Gettysburg Address.
Even though the United States is in the
midst of this great Civil War and there
are all of these challenges that the nation
is facing, there's still a lot to be
thankful for.
It was the culmination of a decades-long
campaign by a prominent magazine editor named Sarah
Josepha Hale.
She lobbied Lincoln for the holiday.
Thanksgiving, establishing it as a national holiday, certainly
stands as one of his enduring accomplishments.
And in the 1940s, Congress issued Joint Resolution
41, forever making Thanksgiving a public holiday.
No wonder mainstream is losing viewers.
Oh, brother.
Well, a couple of things.
I'll just throw in.
Yes.
The only thing correct in that report was
Sarah being the one who initiated making this
an annual holiday.
Yes, that was good.
That was good.
Yeah, they got that part right, but the
rest of it, the Lincoln Thanksgiving thing was
all about the dead soldiers.
And they did that every year because of
all the dead soldiers.
It wasn't about anything else, really, and it
was to honor the dead.
And so that, you know, it was kind
of depressing, to be honest about it.
When this woman finally got it to become
a national holiday, it became such, and it
all began with dead soldiers.
It had nothing to do with pilgrims or
corn or anything like that.
What?
And then it evolved into, by the 30s,
it evolved.
This is new, by the way.
It's not in the essay.
Somebody sent me this.
Time to update the essay.
I didn't know this.
Time to update the essay.
I'm going to update with this.
So by the 30s, it was institutionalized as
last Thursday of November.
November, yeah.
And Franklin Roosevelt wanted to move it up
a week to the third Thursday, which then
became known as Franksgiving.
Oh, Franksgiving.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Franksgiving.
Because he felt, because it was in, I
think it was in 39, it was 1939
he did this.
He felt that it was important to move
it up a week to get Black Friday
up a week to get an extra week
of Christmas shopping.
There it is.
There it is.
That's the true American tradition right there.
That's the American tradition, but nobody bought it,
so it died out.
So, yes, this is kind of a fake
phony baloney deal.
Oh, man.
Yes, of course.
But it's a time that people get together
and argue about politics.
And what's so beautiful about Thanksgiving, you know,
there's two ways to say it.
Thanksgiving.
Around here, everyone says Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving.
Not Thanksgiving.
I grew up saying Thanksgiving, and here it's
Thanksgiving.
Well, I say Thanksgiving.
It's Thanksgiving.
I'm trying to get into Lexicon so I
don't sound like a damn Yankee.
Thanksgiving.
Yeah, you don't want to sound like a
damn Yankee.
You want to sound like a Texan.
You've been there since Thanksgiving.
That's right.
Thanksgiving.
Of course, even though Thanksgiving is not celebrated
anywhere but in the United States, our fine
tradition of Black Friday is celebrated around the
world.
This began around 2015, I think, and maybe
even a few years before.
Maybe a little earlier even, yeah.
The internet.
It started up.
Because, yes, I know.
Well, first, Halloween, which most of the EU
countries spell Halloween, that was the first thing
to kind of creep over.
So everyone could dress up like a schmuck
or a sexy barmaid or whatever.
Housemaid.
Hookers.
Hookers, yes.
Basically, a hooker holiday.
And they don't say Halloween.
They say Halloween.
And then after that, the internet really, once
the internet, shopping kind of kicked in.
So I think it was probably 2012 where
it really was going strong.
Black Friday.
Everywhere.
Black Friday.
From Holland, from Amsterdam to Milan.
Black Friday is all over the EU.
And I would say in most of the
world.
Black Friday.
Of course, Amazon, a big part of that.
And it's just wonderful.
We are so happy.
And then we always have the annual pardoning
of the turkey.
At the White House, President Biden honored an
annual tradition for his final time in office.
The pardoning of the turkeys.
It's not always the turkeys you think he's
going to pardon.
But these are the pardons that he did.
Take a look.
Raised by the...
Yeah, I hear you.
Peach wants to speak a little bit.
Peach weighs 41 pounds.
And loves to eat hot dish and tater
tots.
And cross-country skis.
He lives by the motto.
Keep calm and gobble on.
Based on your temperament and commitment to being
productive members of society.
I hereby pardon Peach M.
Blossom.
And back to the view.
But there's a much more serious pardon that
many people are wondering about.
And that is, people are wondering, should Biden
pardon his son, Hunter?
Or does that make him an even bigger
target for you-know-who coming in?
We can't even celebrate Thanksgiving without some politicization
by The View.
That show's gotta go.
Well, it's going to go.
And then, of course, we have the biggest
problem.
Holiday heart syndrome.
We're just days away here from the first
major holiday of the holiday season, Thanksgiving.
And you're tracking some medical news about something
called, what, holiday heart syndrome?
What is that, and what do we need
to do to protect ourselves?
You know, many people do not know about
this.
I will say, one of the strongest memories
I have is a nurse I presented after
a weekend of overindulgence.
With swelling in their legs, palpitations.
And they had all the signs and symptoms
of this condition called holiday heart syndrome.
So I wanted to help educate.
Educate me.
Especially as we step into those days where
most likely all of us are going to
be overindulgent.
This is a reconstruction or reformation of the
heart that happens from the fatty food, the
salt, as well as the alcohol that we
eat.
And it can most often lead to an
abnormal rhythm.
A-fib or atrial fibrillation.
It can happen to anyone, but those who
are most at risk are those who have
a history of heart disease.
But again, it can happen to anyone, regardless
of their condition, especially if binge drinking is
involved.
And the symptoms that you want to look
for are palpitations, leg swelling, dizziness, and shortness
of breath.
And the way to prevent this, of course,
is to prevent the causes.
Which is making sure we're mindful before we
step into those holiday events.
Mindful.
Being mindful about salt, fat, and alcohol.
Trying to limit and portion control as much
as we can.
This is bullcrap, of course.
Of course.
The reason for holiday heart syndrome is the
stress of being with family.
That's it.
The stress of being with family.
And this is going to be another one
of those years where people are stressed.
Because, yes, you're right.
Most divorce takes place between now and Christmas.
Well, now that you brought it up, this
is a very, very, very sad, sad moment
here.
One of our producers sent me a note.
And Dan is his name.
And Dan says, well, I'm going to be
homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Because he came home from work.
And there was a note taped to the
back door.
And I shall share it with everybody.
Dan, you are no longer the person I
fell in love with.
You let hateful cult leaders brainwash the humanity
out of you.
Since you voted for a rapist, felon, fraud,
and tyrant, I no longer want to share
my home with you.
Please find somewhere else to live by Christmas.
Your vote for that orange piece of shit
tells me that you think all women, including
me, are second class citizens.
Don't deserve autonomy over my own body and
choices.
You betrayed me, Alana, Olivia, and your own
daughter by supporting that misogynist, rapist, pedophile.
You betrayed Randy with your vote.
You know he's gay.
And yet you voted for a proven homophobe
to lead this country.
You voted for a racist a-hole who
has no respect for veterans.
He calls you suckers and losers.
How can you justify a vote for someone
that does this?
You voted for someone who only embodies hate.
Since that's the person you think should lead
our country, then I no longer know who
you are.
And I can't spend the rest of my
life with you.
I have purchased a new refrigerator before that
orange a-hole puts tariffs on everything.
And yes, tariffs means that we will have
to pay more for things.
All you stupid maghats fell for his lies.
If you want to remove that part you
replaced and return it, you need to do
so before Wednesday.
Please find somewhere else to be on Thursday.
There will be no Thanksgiving here, and I'd
like to have the day alone.
I'm sorry for laughing.
But this...
Wow, talk about media brainwashing.
The media...
This is why this show that we do
exists.
Thank you for bringing that up.
This is exactly correct.
Because this is not just media brainwashing.
This is all media.
It's like social media in particular.
And your favorite, TikTok, is playing a big
role.
If you see the amount of TikTok women
influencers who are out there repeating this over
and over again.
And Trump is going to declare no-fault
divorce across America.
Which on its face is very uneducated and
ignorant since marriage is a state issue.
It's not a federal issue.
You're married before the great state of.
And because...
Oh yeah, Texas is already doing it.
Some Jamoke state senator in 2017 put in
a bill that said, Oh, you know, we
should do away with...
Which by the way, no-fault divorce is
available in every state in the union.
We should do away with it because it
promotes wrecking the family.
I think only recently in New York.
I think New York was a holdout.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Well, anyway.
But these psychological operations that have taken place
have absolutely convinced people that this is happening.
They are convinced of it.
There is no...
Oh no, they're not insincere in their belief.
I'd like to actually get into this because...
Well...
Yes.
Since you want to get into it, I
do want to...
You brought kind of led me into leading
the witness into this TikTok clip.
There are reasonable people.
There are reasonable people on TikTok.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I have one of them here.
I have my TikTok clip of the day
right at the beginning of the show for
the people that love these clips.
Oh, we're rocking it.
Yes.
For the five people who have emailed John
and encouraged him to bring these clips to
the show.
Here we go.
I just don't get why we can't have
Trump and Kamala both be president.
And then Kamala is only president to the
Kamala supporters.
And then Trump is only president to the
Trump supporters.
And then we can find ways to identify
one another so then only the Kamala supporters
get the Kamala's policies.
I just feel like that would be way
more fair and I don't know why we
haven't thought of it before.
I don't know.
You know?
Humanity is lost.
She's kind of cute and dumb and she
thinks that she dreamed this up as such
a great idea.
And she has this look on the end
of it as though I just don't get
why people haven't figured this out.
Before I move into some deconstruction here of
all forms of media, I just want to
have everyone think for a moment about the
victims of Western North Carolina and Florida who
are not having the happiest of Thanksgiving.
And let's be quick to listen, slow to
speak, and even slower to get angry around
all of our relatives today and our friends.
If you have a Friendsgiving, just everybody calm
down.
Friendsgiving.
I forgot about that.
Oh, no.
Wait, didn't Jay have a Friendsgiving a year
ago or two years ago?
Maybe it was Jesse.
I don't remember.
It was Jesse and Jay.
I try to repress the idea.
So the television and radio specifically, but when
it comes to media deconstruction, we now really
have to look at all media, including social
media.
Now the television and radio people, they're so
focused on what happened.
What happened?
How could it happen?
What did we do wrong?
And how are we losing out our messaging
to the podcast laws, podcast laws, podcast law,
podcast law auction?
And I don't I really don't think it's
a podcast election that I'd love for that
to be true.
So I have a few clips from PBS,
but then I have an old friend of
the show who was on NPR.
And I think we can learn something and
maybe take it to some historical things we've
learned in the past 17 years of doing
no agenda.
So it's kind of a retrospective.
And we start with PBS trying to desperately
trying to understand how Trump won.
Thanks to the Manosphere.
On the night it became clear President-elect
Donald Trump won the presidency again.
He was joined on stage by members of
his family and several high profile supporters.
This is karma, ladies and gentlemen.
He deserves this.
They deserve it as a family.
Including the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dana
White, who paid tribute to a group of
men he believed helped sway the election.
I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden
Ross, Theo Vaughn.
Bustin' with the boys.
And last but not least, the mighty and
powerful Joe Rogan.
Let me know your honest thoughts.
While those names may sound unfamiliar to some,
they are all part of a growing online
ecosystem that's been dubbed the Manosphere.
A term loosely defined as male-centered content
published on platforms like TikTok, YouTube and the
popular live streaming site for gamers, Twitch.
The press is so crooked.
During his campaign, candidate Trump saw massive untapped
potential to reach young male voters by appearing
on podcasts like...
Is this that Lopez woman?
Yes, correct.
Are you mad?
Why are you mad?
Oh, she's the worst.
I have clips from her, too, coming up
because she's the worst.
But continue.
I just wanted to make sure.
OK.
A massive untapped potential to reach young male
voters by appearing on podcasts like the Joe
Rogan Experience.
Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer
that a child wouldn't give.
It was so bad.
His three hour long interview has been viewed
more than 50 million times on YouTube, providing
several viral moments that could then be shared
in clips across all of social media.
Aha!
Aha!
We're starting to zero in.
But it's clearly Donald Trump only won because
of men, which I think is factually just
not true.
No, 52 percent of the women voters voted
for Donald Trump.
So, you know, it's but they play a
few more clips just so they can kind
of get into this, because obviously, you know,
these are the people influencing men.
22 year old Evan Jabot is a longtime
Joe Rogan listener and a Trump voter.
He says Trump's interview with Rogan allowed young
men to see a different side of the
president elect.
I'd give an answer, which was a very
good answer.
I always talk about, you know, I like
to give long the weave.
Yeah, you like to weave things in.
But when you do.
And we got to hear a lot of
stories that Trump wouldn't typically say on the
road.
He uses a lot of rhetoric in his
rallies that you really didn't get on the
podcast.
And I think it was a refreshing view
of Trump.
Reaching young men who often listen to podcasts
and get their news from social media was
a deliberate effort by the Trump campaign, says
GOP digital strategist Eric Wilson.
They had a theory that if you watch
cable news, whatever end of the political spectrum
you're on, you already had your mind made
up about the candidates and who you were
going to vote for.
They went out to these platforms where people
might not be as engaged in news and
current events to tell them about the election,
tell them about the candidate.
A recent study from the Pew Research Center
found that about four in 10 voters under
30 regularly get their news from content creators.
OK, so this is notice.
They don't say podcasters because they didn't say
podcasts from their from Apple podcasts or Spotify.
There was no mention of that.
It's about what's happening on social networks.
And I'm going to add TikTok and YouTube
to social networks.
So then on on the media, Instagram.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, of course.
On Twitter.
Yes.
But exactly.
And and X and Blue Cry, which is
the new name.
It's not Blue Sky.
It's Blue Cry.
So Blue Cry.
Yeah, I like it.
Thank you.
So on the media, which is one of
my hate listens, they bring on someone who
is who has morphed her.
Her presence in media as many times.
Rene D'Aresta.
Do you remember Rene D'Aresta?
No, but can I can I stop you
for a second and mention one thing?
Yeah.
That guy that that that famous Democrat super
donor that with the southern accent, I think
it's from Louisiana or Florida, was on one
of these pot.
The guy who said that Biden nominated Harris
to screw with the Democrat Party.
Yeah, that guy.
Yeah.
He was very well connected.
He says that.
And I think we may have mentioned this,
but I should mention it again, that it
was Barron Trump.
That talked his dad, his dad into doing
podcasts.
All of them.
That's what Trump said.
So we'll have to believe it.
Trump said that it was Barron.
OK, well, I didn't know that.
Yeah, because I heard from this guy.
And it's interesting that Barron had influence.
And so did Donald, because Donald's the one
who pushed J.D. Vance.
It's he's he's a family man and he
listens to his family.
That is in general a good idea.
Yes.
Yeah.
So D'Aresta, she was involved with the
Council for Responsible Social Media.
She worked at the Stanford Internet Observatory.
Whatever.
Oh, yes.
You remember her now?
I know her.
Yep.
Yeah.
She's the one who had the details years
ago that most Internet traffic was pirate piracy.
Yeah.
She had some good numbers, too.
Well, and this is even though I don't
like her.
I remember even when I when I was
on Rogan, I said, Joe, she's no good.
She is literally on your show to propagandize
stuff.
And I think she was involved in some
of the early kind of censorship things.
Somehow, I I think it was her group
that, if I recall, was trying to prove
that you could deplatform, you know, deplatform someone
by calling out a brand.
And they actually were deplatforming people by calling
out brands.
It's very murky, but she always comes out.
She has a new position.
She's somewhere else in some hoity toity place.
And now she's written a book.
So she's back.
CNN has also seen a decline at a
time when more and more people are getting
their news from social media, perhaps in part
because influencers seem less compromised than the legacy
press.
A new Pew Research report this week found
that roughly 20 percent of Americans and 37
percent of adults under 30 are getting their
news from content creators.
Most of the accounts with over 100,000
followers are men with no professional journalist.
Yeah.
You can interrupt as much as you want.
I'll be.
Well, you know me.
Isn't a newspaper reporter for the San Francisco
Chronicle a content creator?
That would be a reporter is what I'd
call that.
But he's creating content.
It's it's a it's a horrible term.
In fact, Spotify is vague.
In reality, it is a vague term that's
let's say one step further.
It's a meaningless trope, meaningless trope.
There you go.
That is another great show title, meaningless trope.
They use that because they never would want
to categorize anyone who who does something that
is not sanctioned or part of a mainstream
outlet.
They're not going to look.
They're never going to call John C.
Dvorak a journalist or even a columnist.
You are a podcaster or a content creator.
It's it's disparaging.
It's meant to be disparaging.
And it's also meant to be able to
lump everybody into one category.
Spotify just change.
They have a hosting service.
They change Spotify for podcasters into Spotify for
creators.
You see?
So, yes, artists are creators.
I don't like it at all, at all.
But that's what they're going with.
Most of the accounts with over 100000 followers
are men with no professional journalistic training.
They're also slightly more likely to be right
leaning to understand this new media landscape.
We're going to need to update some old
ideas about how powerful institutions spread their messages.
And for that, we turn to Renee D
'Aresta, Georgetown University research professor and author of
the book Invisible Rulers.
The people who turn lies into reality.
So she's moved.
She's moved to Washington, D.C. now.
She went from Stanford now.
She's in the thick of it.
She's at Georgetown, Washington University.
OK.
Spook.
I would say so.
So she says some very I just have
a couple of shortish clips.
She says some very interesting things about this
new world.
And I kind of got interested in this
because we made almost like we had an
offhanded conversation.
You said the turnover on this show is
high.
We've got it.
That's a problem.
And and people started saying, well, that's because
you're either a you're not consistent in your
beliefs or, you know, what was the other
one?
I had another one here.
Consistent.
You're not consistent.
I countered that quite nicely.
I thought.
But then you had something to say.
You said.
But you indicate you're going to reveal because
the season of reveal on the show.
I'm doing this now.
I'm in right now.
You are.
No, I'm witnessing.
You are.
And I'm being mad about it.
You are living in the season of reveal.
And so, in fact, one of our producers
said, you know, the observation about this is,
he says, I agree with observation.
The two of you made is I think
this infighting.
And I was talking about the new TDS
versus TDS classic is almost an inevitable.
So he's like, OK, it's because of the
broad coalition, Trump, et cetera.
But he says the the the problem is
that on one show will excoriate someone like
we just did and said, oh, you're Yale,
you're Georgetown University, you're a spook.
And then when I talk about people infighting
about Trump's nominees and everyone arguing about that,
you know, then I tell them they have
Trump derangement syndrome.
And both things can be true.
You know, so it's but it's a different
problem and a different issue.
And I think I can I can find
or at least indicate the source of where
all of this is coming from, where all
of these arguments come from.
So we continue with the rest.
And now, because the secret sauce to these
creators, which we are not, we are.
I can squarely say we are not like
these creators on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, Blue
Cry, et cetera.
When you read these social media posts of
people who are distrustful of media, they are
effectively saying that they really do believe at
this point that there is some sort of
collusion between media and government and the press
is not telling them the truth.
And this is one of these areas where
there had been this great hope, I think,
that by creating a theoretically gatekeeper free media
environment, we would create a flourishing new independent
press that would, you know, enjoy the confidence
and the trust of the public.
Stop it again.
Sure.
Now, this is an interesting commentary because she
was part of it and it was a
I would say this was I don't remember
how many years ago, maybe 20 years ago
when the Internet first started going.
And and of all people, Dan Gilmore and
others promoted the idea and wrote a book.
He wrote a book called Citizen Journalist and
they were promoting the idea that this was
over.
The gatekeepers were done because we have citizen
journalism and approve us.
Sources go direct is another one.
Sources go direct.
Yeah, all that was a big deal.
And these are the same people that were
promoting the idea of citizen journalists and all
this is the way it's going to be.
And this is the greatest thing ever.
And now.
Yeah.
And but the point she makes is that
in general, there is a distrust of media
thinking there is collusion.
And I will say in many parts in
the world where there is like a government.
Oh, everywhere.
Government finance media.
Where is it there?
There is collusion between government and between, well,
news, but maybe all media.
So her points are valid about the feeling.
You know, enjoy the confidence and the trust
of the public that was not subjected to
the same incentives and that we would have
this rising trust in a burgeoning new media.
And, of course, that's not exactly what happens.
And all of a sudden you have new
gatekeepers and new incentives and new structures and
new means of sharing information.
You have the most empowered public you've ever
had as far as the role that individual
people can play in shaping public opinion and
amplifying news that they like and sharing content
with their friends.
So you have a fundamental shift in who
can be a content creator, who can tell
stories.
In this particular case, we're talking about news
influencers who have over 100000 followers and those
followers play a very active role in amplifying
them.
And this is where it gets interesting, because.
What is happening in the I'll call it
view and like and click based citizen journalism
or creators, we don't play there for 17
years.
We have net we've never cared about how
many until funny enough as I'm putting this
together, you ask void zero.
Hey, man, you got any server stats, which
which as I think we both realized again
is completely useless.
Yeah, we have one hundred and twenty seven
million unique listeners in twenty twenty four.
OK, sure.
Sounds sounds right to me.
Right.
So but there's new incentives that this is
exactly what we do not do on the
no agenda show.
I think a lot of people see influencers
as these like, you know, the sort of
pied pipers like leading around the masses, you
know, but that's not what's actually happening.
The influencer maybe has more followers, but they're
often pulling content up from posts that their
followers are making as well.
One of the interesting phenomenons in the influencer
crowd relationship is this phenomenon called audience capture,
where you'll occasionally see audiences begin to demand.
Why aren't you talking about this?
Right.
That dynamic happened quite a lot in the
days after October 7th.
Why aren't you talking about Israel?
Why aren't you talking about Palestine, where people
felt that they should be applying pressure to
influencers who have reach, who can shape the
discourse, who can shape political opinion?
And the audience feels that the influencer should
be using that power in a particular way.
Right.
And it's really interesting to see those moments
take shape because you realize this is not
just a one sided relationship.
The influencer is absolutely dependent on the crowd
being there.
That's how they make their money.
That's how they have their influence.
That's how they have their reach.
And so they don't want to do too
much to alienate that crowd.
This is exactly the way newspapers work.
This is exactly the way newspapers work.
You get ahold of the editor, you write
nasty notes to the editor.
Why aren't you talking about this?
Why aren't you talking about that?
Why aren't you talking about this?
What is she doing?
What is she?
This is ridiculous.
No, no, no.
She's making an excellent point.
This is a very good point.
And let me bring it home.
Come on.
And so they don't want to do too
much to alienate that crowd.
And so sometimes you'll see influencers becoming more
and more ideological if their audience grows in
a particular direction.
My point here is that when we started
this show, we never, never thought that we
would have to kowtow to any audience because
initially we didn't care at all.
We've never cared.
We've never cared about numbers.
And throughout just recent history, COVID, a lot
of people left in the beginning.
You guys are anti-vax.
You're nuts.
You're out of control.
We're all going to die.
This is a worldwide problem.
People are dying.
They're falling down dead in the street.
I mean, and by the way, the first
two weeks, I thought, oh, I like this
Berks lady before you say it.
And, you know, I was able to say,
oh, hold on a second.
They're showing me climate change statistics here.
We've got to reevaluate.
Then came Ukraine-Russia.
Twice, 2014, then again two years ago.
Do you remember the flak we got about
saying, no, this is bull crap, this Ukraine
thing?
Do you remember the flak we got?
We got a lot of flak for COVID.
We got a lot of flak except for
the people that stuck with it and finally
realized that we were right all along.
I want to mention this.
One of the reasons that we get things
right a lot is because we catch early,
like, for example, with COVID.
We caught that French guy, the French Nobel
Prize winner who is considered a screwball.
Who disappeared.
Who disappeared.
He is the one who immediately, as soon
as the genetic results were released of COVID
-19, he immediately saw it as an engineered
virus.
And he went on and on about it.
And he immediately said that it would decay
over time naturally because all these engineered viruses
do that.
And what he said made nothing but sense.
And he was one of those guys that
I always admire people like this who can
look at something and immediately see things nobody
else can see.
Because that's their whole, their brain is just
structured the way it is.
They can just see stuff.
And so we always catch these guys early
on.
And also we can turn on a dime.
Thank you.
And, but most importantly, relevant to what Diresta
is saying here and what you just said
about how newspapers work, etc.
We have never kowtowed to the mass audience.
Otherwise, we'd be sitting here right now telling
everybody about the genocide in Palestine that the
evil Zionist Jews have done.
We have other things to discuss.
We don't see this.
Or World War III.
Well, you're leading me down the path in
my season of reveal.
But let's stay with this incentive, which is,
and this is the culture war economy.
This is the culture war economy.
This is why Megan Kelly does what she
does.
Why Tucker Carlson does what he does.
Why Pool Boy, although he seems to be
falling off the map now that his money
dried up.
Bongino, Alex Jones.
They all want to have their audience consistently
agreeing with them and them agreeing with their
audience.
And then because it is click and view
based and subscription based media, they're very afraid
to blow their business model.
So this is just one incentive that is
shaping some influencers to the point that they
might become propagandists.
What are some other incentives that are shaping
this new media environment?
The ecosystem relies a lot on direct patronage.
You see substack writers making money directly from
subscriptions themselves.
That creates particular incentives in order to appeal
to a group of people to gain your
initial following.
You're incentivized to appeal to a niche, right?
To sort of start somewhere as a person
who talks about a particular topic and then
to kind of expand out from there.
You're incentivized to be entertaining, right?
To be sensational.
Get as many engagements as possible.
As many people engaging and reacting and commenting
and paying attention to their content.
And this is an incredible challenge because you
have to capture attention in an extraordinarily noisy,
very, very fast paced environment.
And I'm going to tell you that Rogan
does this, too.
He has also pivoted along.
He was always very, oh, I don't want
to say anything that'll make people mad.
And he does that a lot.
And now he's switched a little bit with
the crowd that has come along with him.
And I'm not saying, I'm not blaming anybody,
but we don't make our, our income doesn't
come from that system.
We've always said, if you don't like what
we're doing, don't listen.
If you don't like it, don't support us.
And if we don't get enough to pay
our rent, we're going to stop doing it.
Has it ever been any different, our message?
Not really, but I want to go back
to what she said, which is she's describing
mass media before any of this.
If you're a columnist for the San Francisco
Examiner, the Chronicle back in the day, or
the New York Times or the Chicago Sun
-Times or the Chicago Tribune, you're competing with
other.
You have to be entertaining.
You have to get people to read the
damn column because it goes back to the
editors.
They're going to fire you.
Everything she's saying applies to mass media.
She's extrapolating.
This is such bull crap.
My point is, say goodbye to the old
boss.
Hello to the new boss.
Thank you.
You made my point.
There is nothing new about the new media.
It is exactly the same model, exactly the
same reasons.
But there is a twist that I think
they're overlooking.
When I look at the sensationalism of what
was just on Alex Jones with General Flynn,
a general, I guess you're a general forever,
an important cog.
Yeah, you are.
Generally, you're a general.
Mind you, I spent Tuesday scrolling a little
bit, a little doom scrolling on X, and
all the Ukraine flags were out again, all
the Ukraine flags.
And they're like, oh, oh, Curry host of,
in quotes, no agenda, who never even played
the full Victorian Newland call.
I'm like, dude, we played the whole five
minutes so many times.
You never put it in context.
And there was one of those.
Paul, we're the only, I want to, since
you, part of the theme here is tooting
our own horn, which is somewhat repulsive, but
at the same time necessary once in a
while.
I will mention we're the only podcast I
know of to this day that ever played
the Sandy Hook 9-1-1 call.
Oh, really?
We're one of the only ones?
I think we're the only one.
So moving on.
Just mentioning in its entirety.
So we, yes, we played when that Newland
thing came out, we played the whole thing.
It went on forever.
But so, so I respond to this guy
or whatever, John Smith, 52960.
So you already know what that is.
You know what that is.
Is it a bot?
Is it just a troll?
I have my thoughts.
Then all of a sudden all the Ukraine
flags come out and they start attacking and
you have to look at this.
And haven't you seen how this and literally
like, oh, look at what's happened to Lauren
Southern.
She took Russian money.
You're right.
You're Putin propaganda.
So when this happens, like, OK, now we
know at this very moment, NATO is incredibly
afraid of Trump coming in, pulling the plug.
You know, they they want to keep the
money moving the war machine.
And, you know, Trump has a different war
machine strategy in his mind as far as
we're concerned for China.
And it's going to be great for our
economy.
Big, beautiful ships are going to have star
shields, all kinds of stuff.
But it's not going to be NATO and
it's not going to be for Ukraine.
So they're out there trying to work the
networks and influence the influencers.
I'll put Glenn Beck in there, too.
All of these people who are clickbait like
old media who need to appease their audience
to keep them spun up with whatever they're
spun up about.
But they're being spun up, too.
And they're being, I think, influence.
And it's from people like Flynn who go.
This is a general who is going on
to Infowars to do this.
The advent of World War three.
We are in the midst of it.
The exchange of nuclear, very provocative nuclear capable
weapons have already been have already occurred.
Alex has done an amazing job over these
last couple of weeks.
Really talking about great.
And I know we have talked about this,
talking about the shift in Russia's nuclear policy,
talking about first use.
And I want people to, you know, he
asked me prior about Secretary Austin and what
Secretary Austin's comments were.
And I think that, you know, what Putin
did when he fired this missile, he gave
what I call the ultimate warning.
The ultimate warning message from Vladimir Putin to
not to Ukraine, but to the West to
say, hey, folks, look, we are not.
I have a responsibility.
Now I'm putting my my feet, which I've
had to do for my entire military career,
was to put my feet into the boots
of our enemies.
OK, so my my analysis of where President
Putin is at is he's got to sit
there with his own people and say we
are going to protect the sovereignty of our
country.
We are going to protect the safety and
security of our citizenry.
And I can't allow a nuclear capable, offensive,
provocative weapon to be fired into Russia without
some type of of response, without some type
of adjustment in my military and in my
political, my diplomatic posture.
So this guy is one of these military
people who is spreading this this war, fear
mongering stuff, just like the grid's going to
go down.
There will be no election like McGregor, another
another ex-military guy.
And if you look for since 2011, really
since the 70s, but 2011, the Defense Agency
Research Project has funded multiple studies about social
media in strategic communication.
They have been used.
And so that's when I when I see
these Ukraine flags come out.
This is military operations and they influence people.
And I don't want to say they're weak
brothers and sisters, but they are.
And they're all they are.
They are.
Totally.
They're all.
And this is the influencers.
This is the creators.
And we only need to go back to
the State Department with Hillary Clinton to be
reminded why Smith Mundt was basically scrapped in
2012 under Obama.
I mean, the old days of, you know,
radio free Europe and getting and beaming in
accurate information into the homes of Russians.
We should be doing everything we can now
online to replicate that.
It will be very difficult for Putin to
plug all the holes in that dike.
Information going into Russia about what Putin is
actually doing with this unprovoked attack on Ukraine
can keep people energized.
And I think that's something that we should
be doing, as I say, both through our
government, but also individuals who have the capacity
to do that.
Our tech companies should not be aiding Russia
in this attack in any way.
They should be aiding those who are standing
for freedom, which, after all, is something that,
you know, they're supposed to be on the
side of.
So a lot of this came out of
the State Department.
It had a name.
And Victoria Nuland, when she was the spokeswoman,
told us about it.
The Baltic countries, Poland, a number of our
Eastern European allies have long experience with responding
to disinformation on the part of Russia.
Are we coordinating that effort in any way?
Absolutely, Senator.
I think you know the State Department's Global
Engagement Center, which you all helped us stand
up and supported.
We work 24-7 with other allies and
partners, not just in Europe, but around the
world to bring to light Russian disinformation campaigns
and who is pushing them.
We also work with the tech companies.
We work with the tech companies, of course
we do.
And it's not the censorship industrial complex is
the cover.
That's the cover.
It's not about censoring people.
That's so we can all go nuts.
The shadow banning me.
No one gives a crap.
It's about using the networks to actually.
You said this so best.
The Internet only made it easier for the
propaganda.
It didn't make it so, oh, we'll all
have better information.
No, it made it so that influencers and
creators are getting all this stuff.
I think tech companies are actually heating some
of these accounts to bubble them to the
top.
It's the opposite, which shows what Mike Benz
is really about.
He's always talking about, oh, the censorship industrial
complex, the State Department's Global Engagement Center.
It wasn't about censorship.
It was about propagandizing us.
As we this is Lumpkin in 2018 from
the State Department's Global Engagement Center.
As we work the data piece and it
gives us the ability instead of just throwing
a message out and hope it lands.
We can actually I call that kind of
meat cleaver messaging as you throw it out
there.
And hopefully it hits the right audience as
we have the ability.
And I'll use an example of something we've
started this year, and this is using Facebook
ads.
I can go within Facebook.
I can I can go grab an audience.
I can I'll give a hypothetical.
I can pick country X.
I need age group 13 to 34.
I need people who who've liked, you know,
whether it's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or any
other set.
And I can shoot and hit them directly
with messages for in some places in the
world.
It's literally pennies a click to do.
So you add the ability to actually manage
and identify and see your audience based on
their social media preferences.
Does it get any better than that?
The entire advertising system is set up for
our own government to propagandize exactly who they
want.
So let me get some Dan Bongino listeners
or viewers.
I can get them right with advertising tools.
Here's Tom Shanker of The New York Times
from 2011 talking about the U.S. military
doing this.
Yeah, it certainly did.
What the American military intelligence can do is
forge the watermarks or certification, if you will,
of official Al-Qaeda postings.
Because they don't want people going online and
pretending to be them.
But, you know, American cyber technology is so
advanced that they can have a near near
perfect recreation of an Al-Qaeda message.
And what they're doing from time to time
is going on to jihadi websites and posting
conflicting and contradictory orders.
Statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi
should follow and who's really in charge.
And is this person still alive?
Are they still in control?
And the goal is to really disrupt the
entire network by sowing distrust and dissent and
confusion.
We've been told that they've had some great
successes at that.
Yes.
Right here in America.
Great successes with it.
By sowing distrust and confusion amongst Americans.
Final clip.
Yes.
And before you wrapped it with the final
clip, this all harkens back to the note
that that dumb wife of that one of
our producers left on the back door.
Yes.
Yes.
It's all sides.
It's all sides.
And we all fall in love with these.
Oh, this guy's great.
He says exactly what I think.
Yeah, of course.
That's his or her business model.
And meanwhile, they're getting everything from the audience
capture.
Man, how many how many trolls and spooks
and are actually military people doing their business?
Because in 2011, the State Department already had
7000 of them working on this stuff.
Nearly, we spend nearly $70 million a year
on these programs, both in Iran and around
the world.
At the same time, we're also developing and
distributing new technologies, more than 20 of them,
to empower activists around the globe to access
uncensored censored content on the Internet and to
communicate with each other and to tell their
stories.
And to date, we've funded the training of
more than 7500 activists around the world in
these programs.
So the old model of the spooks and
the spokes holes going on to CNN, MSNBC
and whatever to give you the messaging is
over.
It's now online.
It's on social media networks.
And the creators are being boosted, maybe even
boosted to make sure they do get a
lot of money.
Hey, wait a minute.
This message I'm spreading right now is really
working.
I should not stop doing that.
And then when you have the largest one
of the largest government contractors, certainly for military
buying a social media network, you've just got
to consider what's going on.
And you're no agenda show is not part
of that model because we're struggling with 17
years and we are not millionaires from this
business.
Because we've never played that, we've never cared
about it, and we're not in the right
system.
This is why everyone.
Oh, if you want to you want a
podcast, you've got to be on YouTube.
Of course, because they have algorithms that can
be boosted.
If you've got the right message, let's give
these guys a little boost, either through 7000
people liking them.
I don't know what they're doing.
This is the last four years of this
show that we're facing now are going to
be interesting.
To me, very interesting to see how people
fall into what they believe is truth because
it's not from the mainstream media and it's
coming from their favorite creators.
That's a good one.
It just dawned on me like, wow, this
is happening and it's it's going to be
interesting to watch.
See, I had this right 30 plus years
ago.
The Internet should have been shuttered immediately.
Shut it down right away.
It's no good.
It's too late.
It's way too late.
And then, you know, when you hear, you
know, like this, as you thought, I'm sure
you're not following Romania.
I mean, why would we?
But Romania now has yet another far right
populist.
And, you know, how did he do it?
Gee, I don't know.
Rising results that we can see with the
far right.
All right.
First, and he's now followed by Elena Lasko.
She's the candidate of the progressive liberal USR
party.
She mainly gathered the votes of pro European
voters, but also undecided voters.
On the other hand, was not expected to
to to reach the runoff.
He was credited with about seven percent of
votes maximum by by the polls.
The previous before the elections happened.
And this is a surprise.
But many analysts are saying that the power
of social media, especially TikTok, has been largely
underestimated.
And so and so when you read that
Trump, that Trump is going to credential creators,
YouTubers and podcasters to be in the press
briefing briefing.
What do you think that's about?
It's obvious.
That's the that's the new way.
And Trump gets it like you got to
bring.
And these are all.
Hey, man, if I got invited to the
White House for anything, I'd be like, wow,
this is cool.
Yeah, well, that's like, remember, they brought the
years ago for it started with bloggers.
They brought the bloggers to the convention, the
Democrat or Republican.
You know, it's a bunch of bloggers, but
the bloggers.
Yeah, but the bloggers see this is this
is what they gave way to the podcasters.
Well, hold on.
Bloggers got no juice and they got no
juice.
That's why the social I mean, when Twitter
started, it was RSS feed based, actually.
And that's why it failed all the time.
But it was the algorithm that heat stuff
up to the top that made it interesting
so that somebody could go viral.
Your ego kicks in, your greed kicks in.
Now you're wide open.
Hey, come to the White House.
Yeah, I'll post whatever you want.
Trump, you rock.
Clinton, Obama, whatever.
You rock podcasters.
We have no algorithm.
So there's no way for us to be
go viral or go to the top.
That's why these social networks are the key
to the propaganda, to the messaging.
This is how it works.
It's so human.
Like if all of a sudden you're doing
100 million views, like I got to do
more of this.
Yeah.
No, you get 100 million views on something.
You you you have to assume you're a
genius.
Well, no doubt.
I really know.
I'm that good.
I'm that good.
So clearly we need to have a no
agenda reporter at the White House and we're
going to credential someone.
Someone because it's in D.C., we probably
thought D.C. girl would be the good
one to get.
Well, she's got D.C. in her name.
She does.
So she should be our no agenda representative
in the in the briefing room.
I mean, it makes so much sense.
This is and you're right.
It's goodbye to the say goodbye to the
old boss.
Hello to the new boss.
It's the exact same thing.
And when you step out of your out
of your line, well, you're not doing it
right.
Then all of a sudden your views are
going to drop.
It's so obvious.
And I'm not even accusing Elon Musk of
doing anything nefarious.
I mean, they just go in, use the
advertising system.
Who do I need to target?
OK, let me get some.
Let me get some Megyn Kelly people here.
All right.
I'll just select all of them.
Click, click, click.
I'm going to start to start making some
noise that I think is important.
Bubble that to the top.
It's perfect.
It's a perfect system.
It's a giant scam.
And we're not a part of it.
Somehow we've missed every single huge money making
opportunity in the lifetime of the show.
Yeah, but the problem is it's a double
edged sword with us.
We have at least we have a baseline
of consistency.
We even know people say we're inconsistent.
That's not true.
We're extremely consistent the way we look at
things.
We are pretty much apolitical.
People don't want to accept that because, you
know, we don't didn't like Harris.
I think we can both agree on that.
She was just a no good.
No good.
No good.
She's no good.
She was I have my thoughts on it,
which is even more extreme.
And you're a California boy.
That's why you're out there.
You know, you know the story, you know,
the background.
And so they in fact, we Mimi was
always mentioned.
We would run into her and Willie Brown
at Star's Restaurant quite a few times.
Yes, yes.
You have mentioned this.
And I bumped and Jeff talked to him.
He's a he's a close talker.
Another one.
Oh, does he spit or just.
I didn't get any of that, but he's
a close talker.
And he I have learned a lot of
close talkers over over the years.
It's always like you.
You keep very slowly trying to back up.
And it's just like you can't do it.
And by the way, just so just to
show you how rampant this corruption is.
I mean, this is a very short clip
and it's really there's gambling going on.
But, you know, the ongoing feud between Drake
and Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar.
They're doing these diss tracks back and forth
like, hey, man, you're not a part of
the culture, Drake, because, you know, you're a
Canadian.
First of all, you're part Jewish.
You're half white.
So you're not part of the culture.
You need to shut up.
And now Drake is like, well, hold on
a second.
Someone's playing.
I'm not playing fair.
A heated feud between two popular rappers is
now turning into a legal battle.
Drake has filed a lawsuit against Universal Music
Group or UMG, claiming it falsely infiltrate inflated.
The popularity of Kendrick Lamar song Not Like
Us.
Lamar released the single back in May as
a diss track against Drake.
According to Spotify, the song has more than
900 million streams.
But Drake's suit argues that UMG use bots
and launched a pay to play scheme to
increase those numbers and make the song go
viral.
UMG denies the claims.
It's also worth noting.
Drake is currently represented by Republic Records, which
is a division of UMG.
Yes, there's gambling going on.
Of course, it's the same mechanism.
We want this feud to keep going.
So now we're going to boost him and
then we'll.
Yeah, there's all you know, I don't.
By the way, I'm not following any of
this.
I don't care about it.
I think it's dumb.
But the fact that there's a kind of
one company zone by the other and they're
suing each other, but it's not really is
it's a phony bologna deal.
Like the fact that Taylor Swift has the
same basic agent that that Kelsey has the
same, you know, running through the same sports
agency.
Yeah, it's wrestling.
It's wrestling.
Yes.
Yes.
And by the way, there's there's Dana White
with Trump saying this is all because of
my great fighters.
I mean, the great podcasters, it's literally the
wrestling guy talking about his, you know, is
not really his stable, but talking about the
players in the game.
You know, Joe Rogan works for him.
Yes.
It's the players in the game, not I'm
not I'm not saying that Joe is phony
because he's he's not.
He's obviously not phony.
He's not.
He's just a naturally, you know, I've watched
him on and off.
And I have to say he's a good
comedian.
He's not a super a class, but he's
good.
He's a good comedian.
He knows what he's doing.
He's a good actor when he was acting.
He's a great host.
He's done a lot of TV.
He is a tremendously good commentator on UFC
and conversationalist.
He's a great conversationalist, fabulous conversationalist.
But when you have not an interviewer either,
it's like, no, but then people come on
his show, you know, because they're doing the
rounds there, you know, there or they're bubbling
under or there's something interesting.
And he's just talking in there.
They're throwing out the messaging.
And he has he's he's probably the most
talented guy there that has been around for
a long time.
It's just, in fact, he's probably underpowered.
Now, there's a way to look at it.
He needs more flavor crystals.
He's underpowered by underpowered.
I mean, he could be at, you know,
George Clooney level of celebrity.
Easy, but he's I think he may be
that level.
I think in a subtext, he is, but
not in a in a in a worldwide
sense that Clooney is, let's say you'd be
surprised how many people.
I'm not saying the fact that I'm saying
what I'm saying indicates that he's not at
the Clooney level.
Close, though, I think he's close.
He needs a tequila.
He's a tequila brand that he'll really not
like, for example, he's not showing his pictures,
not showing up in the in the gossip
rags.
This is not.
No, it's not.
No.
Well, it's because he doesn't play that game.
He doesn't play that game.
No, he doesn't.
He plays that game.
But that's what I'm saying.
He's underpowered.
Yes.
Yeah.
OK.
And I think he likes it that way.
I bet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who the hell needs the other aggravation?
Tell me about it.
I have two clips, quick ones, which is
just kind of fun, because, again, because you
mentioned you brought up Kamala and and they're
still trying to figure out who.
What happened?
I don't understand what happened.
Well, no one wanted her.
And the most important, important thing you could
have in today's world is authenticity.
And that's why.
President Trump going on Rogan and talking for
three hours, people could sit there and make
up their own minds.
It was that easy.
No one can talk for three hours and
be cagey and couched and not show their
three hours and show their true personality.
So they're still trying to figure it out.
And they have this woman on.
This is Pod Save America, who are supposed
to be the people who got who got
Kamala elected because they're podcasters.
It was a podcast election, wasn't it?
How come you didn't do your job, Pod
Save America?
Aren't you the number one podcast?
This is Jen O'Malley Dillon, who was the
campaign chair.
This is a series of great clips.
I would say I mean, look, look, I
am not a media hater by any measure.
And I think that she's I'm not a
media hater, but it was the media's fault.
You know, we women don't get far in
life talking about double standard.
So that's not the point.
The media is misogynist now.
I do think a narrative.
One hundred seven days, two weeks because of
a hurricane, two weeks talking about how she
didn't do interviews, which, you know, she was
doing plenty.
But we were doing in our own way.
We had to, you know, be the nominee
who had to find a running mate and
do a rollout.
I mean, there was all these things that
you kind of want to factor in.
But real people heard in some way that
we were not going to have interviews, which
was both not true.
Real people like CNN, MSNBC, all of your
real people were saying this.
And also so counter to any kind of
standard that was put on Trump that I
think there was a problem.
And then on top of that, we would
do an interview.
And to Stephanie's point, here's the best part.
The questions were small and processy and about
like dumb.
She is actually claiming that these obvious softball,
lame, lame interviews that they didn't want that.
And that was the media who decided to
do that all of their own accord.
And they I mean, this is very hard
to believe.
They were not.
Well, hold on a couple of things.
I've just heard her buddy that's also there
says dumb.
She throws a word dumb and twice, actually.
Yeah.
And it was pointed out by the Fox
folk.
Fred Bear had her on it.
She'd only do 21 minutes, period.
And they were cut.
They were jumping supposedly behind the scenes.
They're talking about this.
They told her to cut it off, cut
it off.
You got to stop.
You got to stop.
You got to get off the stage.
They were late to the interview to begin
with.
This is bull crap.
She's just a liar.
And processy and about like they were they
were not informing another point.
She uses the word processy.
You notice.
Yes.
They were small and processy.
What she meant by that was they were
asking her.
How to questions, in other words, the process,
he means, well, what are you going to
do to stop inflation?
Well, what are you going to do to
end the war?
Well, what are you going to do?
What are you going to do to do
this and that?
That's that's what she means by processy.
And those are questions they didn't want to
answer.
No, of course not.
Because she had no answers.
Small and processy and about like good catch.
They were they were not informing a voter
who was trying to listen to learn more
or to understand.
And I'm not saying that that, you know,
the whole system was focused on us incorrectly.
I'm just saying, like, again, of the things
we need to explore as we move forward
as a campaign and as a country.
From our viewpoint, actually, this is quite interesting
because our take has always been that the
system wanted Trump to win.
So it is entirely possible that she's telling
the truth from her perspective and that the
whole system was geared toward getting Trump to
win by doing this purposely against their wishes.
Seems hard to believe, but it is a
possibility.
That does a disservice to voters.
And, you know, I think back and think
we should have signaled more of our strategy
early on about podcasts and who we were
trying to reach.
And but we had a limited amount of
time to reach.
The people are trying to reach and we
were trying to go to them.
But being up against a narrative that we
weren't doing anything or we were afraid to
have interviews is completely bull and also like
took hold a little bit.
And we just gave us another thing we
had to fight back for that Trump never
had to worry about.
And they were unfair towards Trump, again, going
towards our basic thesis.
Now, the the money shot question, of course,
is about the appearance on The Rogan Show.
This is where she falls apart and just
lies.
Should Kamala Harris have gone on Rogan?
Can you can you just not to be
tedious about it?
Could you talk a little bit about how
close you came to doing it?
Why it didn't happen?
Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this.
A lot of theories.
It's it's pretty simple.
We wanted to do it.
It you know, I hate to repeat this
over and over, but it was a very
short race with a limited number of days.
And for a candidate to leave the battleground
to go to Houston, which is what?
Did you hear what she said to leave
the battleground to go to Houston?
It's not a Houston.
No, no.
Listen, you'll hear it in a second.
Houston, which is a day off the playing
field in the battleground.
You know, getting that timing right is really
important.
So we had discussions with Joe Rogan's team.
I love the team part.
It's one guy, Matt, one guy who answers
the phone.
Hello, it's Matt.
Oh, you want to go on, Joe?
Well, yeah, we can do this.
Sure.
When do you want to do it?
Well, you only want to do one hour.
No, that's not the for you.
Don't want to do it in his studio.
No, no.
We do everything in the studio and it's
open at least three hours.
So talking with his team is a lie.
They were great.
They wanted us to come on.
He's not they them.
It's a he.
It's Matt.
It's not they them.
Great.
They wanted us to come on.
We wanted to come on.
We tried to get a date to make
it work.
And ultimately, we just weren't able to find
a date.
We did go to Houston.
And she gave a great speech at an
amazing event.
The Beyonce event?
Yes.
Well, I'm going to call it Reproductive Freedom.
There you go.
So they chose the Reproductive Freedom event with
Beyonce over Rogan.
That's it.
They thought that that would play better with
the audience.
That was the decision they made.
And they could have done it.
They're in Texas.
Hop, skip, and a jump.
You could have popped right down, but no.
Yeah, you can take a puddle jumper.
They had a private jet.
They did not.
They were afraid that she would, as we
say in Holland, in the old country, do
it a month fuller.
She would fall out of the bottom of
the basket.
I know.
It's another great Dutchism, isn't it?
I'm glad you have a long tip of
your tongue.
I want to play two clips that are
pretty obscure, but it's James Carville who's been
on everything.
Because he was right about everything.
Well, he was wrong about it.
He's the one who got by him and
Axelrod, or the two guys that were part
of the system, which included Pelosi and Schumer
and others, and George Clooney, who's now hiding.
Hiding, yes.
To get rid of Biden.
And he was part of it.
He's the only one that's still talking.
The rest of them all shut up and
they took off.
But this is on an obscure podcast.
Somebody sent it to me.
And I want to play these two clips,
because it refers to this woman, and here
we go.
I think you place some of that blame
on the Harris High Command.
I love that scene in the movie, The
Graduate, where he says, Benjamin, one word, son,
one word, plastics.
Plastics.
One word, audit.
So I have people that are contacting me
to run for DNC chair.
I promise you I'm not going to get
in the middle of that.
What is he saying?
You have to give me some, I can't
even hear the context of what he's talking
about.
He said the one word he wants, like
the word plastics in the movie, was audit.
He wants the audit.
He's sitting there steaming in his own juices
about the fact that they spent, and he
has numbers that are higher.
He claims they squandered $2.5 billion, $2
.5 billion, not $2 billion, not $1 billion,
$2.5. And he's demanding an audit.
He thinks that this is, the whole campaign
was just a giant money laundering scheme.
Well, how about this?
Everybody was on the money train, and it
was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do the podcast
with you.
Give me $500,000.
We'll build a really nice set.
Now, this brings us, you can play this
clip.
We can continue the clip in a second.
You want to play the clip?
Okay, go ahead.
Well, no, this brings us to the, as
it starts to be revealed, that's why the
audit would be interesting, is that our buddy,
the Rev, picked up $500,000 to interview
her on MSN, this is MSNBC, who I
complained about over and over again, but MSNBC
is obviously one of the most corrupt news
operations out of NBC that the nation has.
You don't give somebody a half a million
dollars to put them on and interview them
with the softball interview, which is exactly what
happened.
By the way, the No Agenda show is
very open to this kind of operation.
Yeah, we'll take it.
Yeah, we'll, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we're good.
We're good.
We're good.
Don't worry about it, boys.
One word, audit.
So I have people that are contacting me
to run for DNC chair.
I promise you I'm not going to get
in the middle of that.
Anybody, and I don't have a vote, or
I don't have an opinion, no one cares,
but I would say the policy number one
is we're going to audit everything.
We're going to audit the campaign.
We're going to audit Future Forward.
We're going to audit the DNC.
So people would know, but I'm telling you,
without complete transparency, the campaign, we think, raised
a billion and a half dollars.
Okay?
We know that Future Forward, last we saw,
was 900 million, so we can assume that
they got to a billion before election.
That's two and a half fricking billion dollars.
Do you have any idea where that money
went?
Does anybody have any idea where that money
went?
I mean, I have some places I started
looking, and it's all, Albert, I promise you
this, the amount of money and the amount
of lobbyists that were involved in this campaign
is staggering.
It's staggering.
Well, talk more about that, James, because that's
not what the Democrats are supposed to be.
So we had this discussion that we thought
when Harris was asked the money question, would
you have done anything different than Biden?
I thought, I think you did too, but
I'll let you speak for yourself.
She just froze.
She just, I want to be loyal to
Biden.
I just can't bring myself to her side,
which was a very bad answer, but an
understandably human answer.
So then, sorry, Stephanie Cutter, and she goes
on Pod Save America.
No, that was by design.
The reason she gave didn't even make any
sense.
Oh, oh, okay.
Who's Stephanie Cutter?
That's the woman that was, you were playing
on Pod Save America.
No, that's not Stephanie Cutter.
That's someone else.
No, the woman that, she was in that
group.
Oh, okay, okay.
I think she may have been the one
that said dumb, dumb.
Okay, okay, okay.
So that was by design.
But it's all part of the same.
This is the echelon that he's bitching about.
So let's go to part two.
All right, so Stephanie Cutter owns a firm
called Precision Strategies, who Jeff O'Malley, Dylan, used
to work for.
That much we know, all right?
And we think we know that they got
a lot of the buy.
I don't know, but there has to be
an audit.
Oh, so a lot of the money went
to Pod Save America?
No, no, they're talking about this strategies company
that Kamala hired, and he says they got
a lot of the buy.
Oh, so they got a percentage of the
advertising buys.
Right, when you got a piece of the
buys where you're the advertising agency, and you're
doling, you got all this money, you're throwing
it out there because you're getting 10%
of it.
Yeah, so she's, I think it's 15.
I think agency fee is 15.
Okay, could be 15, could be 20 by
now.
But whatever it is, the more you spend,
the more you make.
So you have to get rid of this
money.
So they were throwing money away to get
money.
That's great.
That's what he wanted the audit for, and
that's what he's bitching about.
And I think that's exactly what happened.
They had these, there was just too much,
they got a, if you remember when Kamala
first got nominated, as it were, if you
want to call it that, they picked up
like almost a billion dollars on the spot.
Right away, yeah, it was in the kitty.
And so they had, all of a sudden,
it's a bonanza.
You're sitting there on a pile of money,
and you notice that you're sending out these
messages to everybody two or three times a
day, begging them for more money to get
all these little old ladies to throw their
$50 in.
And people who can't afford to donate, donating.
And you're sitting on all this money.
You've got to get rid of this money
as fast as you can to make the
money on the buy.
This is a giant money laundering operation for
all practical purposes.
What do you make, and I have a
minute 15 of it, what do you make
of the reason for Kamala Harris' obviously drunk
message to be put out there?
Is this more sabotage of her as a
human being?
Did theory, based on what I was watching,
because I've seen this thing played and played
and played, I don't know if you have
it or not.
Yeah, I have a minute 15.
Well, let's discuss right now.
And once you play it, then we can
talk about it.
And it means so much to me and
to Governor Walz that you knocked on doors,
you called friends, you called in favors.
You said, hey, you know, I showed up
at your softball game, now I need you
to show up at the campaign office.
By the way, anybody who has been in
a bar after 2 a.m. knows this
person.
I mean, this is not even questionable at
this point.
Showed up at your softball game, now I
need you to show up at the campaign
office.
You put in the time, it was personal
for you.
And you gave all that you could to
support our campaign.
Because of your efforts, get this, we raised
an historic $1.4 billion, almost $1.5
billion.
Again, I'll say, yeah, no, the election didn't
turn out like we wanted it to.
Certainly not as we planned for it to.
But understand that the work we put into
it was about empowering people.
That's the spirit with work we did.
I just have to remind you, don't you
ever let anybody take your power from you.
You have the same power that you did
before November 5th.
And you have the same purpose that you
did.
And you have the same ability to engage
and inspire.
So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance
take your power from you.
That is the most drunk rant I've ever
seen.
Hey man, don't let them take your power.
Don't let them take your power from you,
man.
Ever.
You've got power.
So why would, Meghan McCain reposted this herself
with a note on Twitter saying, take this
down.
This is a humiliation.
She went on and on about it.
It was quite an interesting post by her
telling them to take this down, as I
guess Meghan McCain voted for.
But yeah, this is a sabotage move.
This is the leftover people that, or the
Democrats themselves, said it's because she threatened to
run for governor.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, I think that might've been, you know,
we can't have this going on.
We've got to take her down right away.
Hey Kamala, just say what's on your heart
into the camera here.
I believe that's what happened.
It's a sabotage move.
And she's too dumb to know.
Sabotage.
I mean, she's dumb.
She's a dummy.
Yeah.
But I have another dummy who just, I
could not believe, you know, sometimes these old
-time Hollywood celebrities, they think, oh, I'm in
Italy, so it doesn't really matter what I
say.
Oh, this is the most pathetic thing that
you're going to play Sharon Stone.
Yes.
And this is a pathetic, I mean, Sharon
Stone, there's one other one too.
Alec Baldwin, but I'm not interested in him.
No, Baldwin's no good.
But Sharon Stone's rant here is probably as
pathetic as they get.
I have some thoughts on it after you
play it, maybe.
You know, Italy has seen fascism.
Italy has seen these things.
You guys, you understand what happens.
You have seen this before.
My country is in its adolescence.
Okay, can you stop it for a second
and start backing up a little bit?
Of course.
You should know that, I'm going to give
you a Sharon Stone story.
She used to live in the Bay Area.
Well, then you happen to know her ex
-husband-slash-boyfriend.
Yeah.
Okay.
Bronstein, Phil.
Phil.
So they used their best, their restaurant of
choice for years was Florida Lee.
Where you and I have been many a
time for lunch, Florida Lee.
Yeah, it's because the chef's a friend of
mine.
It's gone now.
Is it gone now?
Is it gone?
Is it still there?
Oh, it's long gone.
He moved to Vegas.
I can't even get a hold of him.
He's the one who wrote the forward for
the...
Of course not.
He wrote the forward for TooManyEggs.com.
Oh, that's nice.
Hubert Keller, yeah.
Yeah.
And he wrote the forward like forwards are
typically written.
John, can you write the forward and I'll
sign it?
I'm not reading this book.
I'll just sign it.
I like Mimi.
She's cool.
So I talked to this couple of the
wait staff there because they would call, Sharon
So would call and demand a table at
any given spot where there were reservations, whether
the place was filled or not, and they'd
always accommodate them.
They're very accommodating.
Of course, it's Sharon So.
To superstars.
Of course.
The guy says to me, he says, the
problem was...
This is a good story time, Uncle John.
I don't think...
And I'm reminded of that story.
It could be bull crap.
This is just a story I was told.
Maybe she was sober as a judge all
the time.
I don't see no evidence of it, but
I get the sense that she was in
the same bag that Kamala was in when
she gave this little talk here in Italy.
And Italy is a place where they got
good wine.
Yeah.
What happens?
You have seen this before.
My country is in its adolescence.
Adolescence is very arrogant.
Adolescence thinks it knows everything.
Adolescence is naive and ignorant and arrogant.
And we are in our ignorant, arrogant adolescence.
We haven't seen this before in our country.
So Americans who don't travel, who 80%
don't have a passport...
We're stupid!
...who are uneducated...
We're uneducated!
...are in their extraordinary naivete.
Naivete.
We're naivete.
What I can say is that the only
way that we can help with these issues
is to help each other.
Now, we can't just say that women should
help women...
No, no.
...because that's the only way we have survived
so far.
We must say that good men must help
good men.
And those good men must be very aware
that a lot of your friends are not
good men.
Hold on a second.
Let me get this right.
So, John, you and I have to help
each other, but we have to be aware
that one of us may not be a
good man.
Yeah.
I'm worried.
And you can't continue to pretend...
Isn't this kind of like a unburdened-by
-what-has-been speech here?
It's really bad.
There's more.
...are good men when they are not good
men.
Uh-huh.
Few good men.
And you must be very clear-minded and
understand that your friends who are not good
men are dangerous, violent men.
Oh.
And you have to keep them away from
your daughters, your wives, and your girlfriends, because
this is a time when we can no
longer look away when bad men are bad.
Boy, this is like some sort of a
virus, this word salad thing.
I want to like her so much.
Yeah, I want to like the old Cher.
Well, a lot of people defended her because
I think they've always liked her early acting.
Sure, sure.
She was a very good-looking lady.
Yeah, great stuff.
My producer on the old Software Hard Talk
used to go to high school with her...
Yeah.
...and said that she was well-known, and
it was in Pennsylvania.
Yes, she's from Pennsylvania.
She's a well-known roundheels in the high
school.
Roundheels?
Yeah, you can figure that out yourself.
That's as far as I'll go with it,
but Sharon Stone is quite the personality.
Oh, oh, I just looked it up.
Okay, it's offensive slang, by the way.
Offensive slang is what you use there.
Uh-huh.
The, I will say it, the phrase alludes
to the heels of a woman's shoes becoming
rounded to her frequently falling backward.
Wow.
This is very old English.
And that's the term that she used when
she described it.
Speaking of great words...
Next, the word of the year.
According to dictionary.com, it's demure.
It's defined as characterized by shyness...
...and modesty or reserves.
Demure went viral over the summer when TikTok
creator Jules LeBron used the phrase very demure,
very mindful in her videos.
Oh, yes, boy, thanks, mainstream media.
Thank you.