December 29th, 2024 • 3h 16m
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Round 10!
Adam Curry, John C.
Devorah.
December 29, 2024, this is your award-winning
Cuban Asian Media Assassination Episode 1725.
This is no agenda.
Rejecting the jet lag and broadcasting live from
the heart of the Chichago country here in
FEMA Region Number 16.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And we're here in Silicon Valley where we're
all asking the same question.
Who the hell buys food from Home Shopping
Network?
I'm John C.
Devorah.
It's Clackvaughn and Buzzkill.
In the morning!
The bigger question is, why were you watching
the Home Shopping Network?
Oh, I watch it all the time.
I love the Home Shopping Network.
QVC and the other one, the big one,
which is the Jewelry TV, JTV.
But isn't Instagram and TikTok, they're basically the
new Home Shopping Networks now?
I don't know.
I never bought anything from them.
Oh, oh, the ladies, they buy everything off
of Instagram.
I've never, no.
No, well, you're not the ladies.
I'm not the ladies for one thing.
You're not the ladies.
No, you're not.
Maybe I'll catch up.
You're not the ladies.
But they're selling breaded chicken cutlets this morning
on Home Shopping.
All kinds of food is prepared.
It's like, why?
Who's going to buy?
Oh, all you have to do is heat
it up, you know, and it's not cheap.
But this is what has become of our
intake here.
It's pathetic, to be honest about it.
Who's going to buy breaded chicken cutlets from
Home Shopping Network and then reheat it?
Well, they're setting you up for their next
product.
This next item we have is a special
discount on Ozempic.
Yeah, we haven't done that yet.
It's coming.
It's coming.
So the end is near.
The Skynet is closing in on us.
Let me tell you about our return from
Europe.
Oh, yes.
Now, OK, well, you have to brief everyone.
If you haven't listened to the show for
a while, Adam has been in Europe now.
He came back during a horrendous moment in
flight history because all the airports were closed.
There was there was delays everywhere.
I was watching the news thing.
See, I hope Adam gets back in time
for the show.
Yeah, no, there was no problem whatsoever.
Well, good.
But again, they psyched me out.
But I will say this about that.
Facial recognition is here.
Leaving Schiphol Airport, facial recognition to exit customs.
That's the EU in most countries, except for
the United States, of course.
You have to go through customs when you
leave so they know you left.
I've never understood why we don't have that.
But you walk through a little a little
gate.
Good to go.
Gate opens.
Walk through.
Board onto Delta.
Do you need your boarding pass, your passport?
No.
Facial recognition.
Good to go.
Come into the United States.
We came to Atlanta.
Now, I will say we got global entry
because the last time we came in, we
came back from Mexico.
We stood in line for two hours.
I'm like, OK, I'm giving up my biometric
data for this.
This is crazy.
I haven't had global entry in at least
maybe about 10 years.
And you walk up to the kiosk.
I have my global entry card.
I've got my passport.
No, no, no.
Go.
And then you walk up to the customs
agent.
He's just waving you on through.
It's facial recognition all the way through, which,
of course, means now with the flip of
the switch, they can block me, stop me
from going anywhere.
It was a flip of the switch.
Yeah.
It was great on one hand.
On the other hand, just frightening.
I had this was I told the story
in the show before, but about looking back
at it, maybe almost 15 years ago, maybe
20, I was in Portugal.
And I was at some event.
And the next door to the event I
was at, there was a tech event of
sorts for police departments and security experts.
And they had a facial recognition system there
that you could play with.
So and this was like 10, 15 years
ago.
And so and it was for it was
designed for airports.
And so they you go through it as
many times as you want to do in
anything you wanted to do.
I was going through with my cheeks puffed
out my hand in front of my face.
I went through it about 10 times.
It never missed once it got your original
face.
It just you couldn't fool it.
Yeah.
And that was the thing that bothered me.
To this day, I remember that there's nothing
you could do to fool it.
You close your eyes.
You could squint.
You could lift one eyebrow.
You could do all kinds of things.
And it was not being fooled by any
of it.
No, I know.
I know.
It's it's it's a good technology.
It's it's quite it's quite remarkable.
Quite good.
It's quite remarkable.
Now, I mean, that since then, they've they've
determined that even if you wear a mask.
Oh, well, even the iPhone unlocks with your
mask on these days.
Oh, yeah.
This stuff is good.
And, you know, your iPhone, of course, is
taking a snapshot every what?
Five seconds.
It's looking to see if you got your
face in front of it.
So it's take it's the whole thing.
It's great, but it's really not great.
It's not great at all.
No, it's great because it's onerous.
It's the word you look for.
Onerous would be today's word.
Yeah, it's onerous.
We don't need this aggravation.
No, not really happy with it.
Well, let's stick with aviation, then, since you
brought it up.
By the way, since we have this so
much of this facial recognition, how come they
can't stop all crime?
Well, now you've stumped me.
I don't know if they can stop all
crime, but they, you know, really catch it.
They should be able to identify all criminals.
It's coming.
I don't understand.
Many of them are recidivists that came out
of jail or prisons.
They obviously took pictures of their faces in
prison.
Yeah, so well, they can't seem to do
it at the border.
It works great for for people just traveling.
Yeah, for me, it works great for me.
Yeah.
All right.
The news, let me just I'm just going
to say I do have a background clip
on the Azerbaijan thing, if you want to
play that.
Well, I'll give you the the latest news
that came in overnight and then see if
we play the backgrounder.
Since the crash of Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 243,
suspicions have been growing over Russia's involvement.
On Saturday, the Kremlin said President Vladimir Putin
had apologized to his Azerbaijani counterpart over the
phone.
He admitted that Russian air defense was active
at the time, but stopped short of taking
responsibility.
In the conversation, it was noted that the
Azerbaijani passenger aircraft, which was following the schedule,
repeatedly tried to land at the airport of
Grozny.
At the same time, Grozny, Mosdok and Vladikavkaz
were attacked by Ukrainian combat drones and Russian
air defense systems repelled these attacks.
The Russian president did not confirm that the
plane had been hit by a Russian air
defense missile.
For experts, however, there is no doubt.
They say these holes in the plane's fuselage
are proof of shrapnel from an anti-aircraft
missile.
Meanwhile, the president of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, said
that the plane was hit in Russian airspace
by external physical interference, as suggested by survivors'
accounts.
Since the crash, which killed 38 people, Azerbaijan
Airlines has announced that it would be suspending
flights to eight other Russian cities.
Other airlines from Kazakhstan, Israel and Dubai have
followed suit and cancelled flights to Russia.
So it seems pretty clear they're going to
blame it on Ukraine because Ukraine was shooting
drones into Russian airspace and it's their fault.
They just haven't quite admitted it yet.
Do we need your background on this?
I think the background would be good because
there's some new material that came out just
before the show from our buddy Doug.
Doug?
Oh, Doug the douchebag?
Doug the douchebag from France 24.
Where has he been?
I've been missing him in my life.
He's around.
He's back.
All right, all right.
I don't remember him being called Doug the
douchebag.
Yeah, he's Doug the douchebag.
The bald douche, yeah.
Is this the Kazakh air crash?
The bald douche.
Russian President Vladimir Putin apologized to the leader
of Azerbaijan today after the deadly Azerbaijani airline
crash in Kazakhstan, but he didn't take responsibility
for the crash.
In a statement, the Kremlin says it was
responding to a Ukrainian drone strike in Chechnya.
And here's Elena Moore reports.
In a Kremlin readout of the call, Putin
characterized the crash, which killed 38 people, as
a tragic incident, apologizing that it happened in
Russian airspace.
It comes a day after White House national
security spokesman John Kirby addressed Russia's potential involvement.
We do have have seen some early indications
that would certainly point to the possibility that
this jet was brought down by Russian air
defense systems.
Kirby added that an investigation conducted by Azerbaijan
and Kazakhstan is ongoing, and the U.S.
has offered its assistance.
Where's douchebag Doug?
No, I don't have the clip.
I said that was this morning.
Oh, I'm sorry.
The background clip is the one that you're
mixing me up.
Yeah, yeah.
What did douchebag Doug say?
Douchebag Doug came on France 24.
First of all, they brought the president of
Azerbaijan this morning, came out and said Putin's
responsible.
What we wanted was an apology.
He didn't give an apology.
Now what we want is a compensation for
the lost jet and compensation for all the
dead people.
And so he made a demand on Putin,
which is one dictator to another.
And this was quite interesting.
Oh, that is.
Douchebag Doug comes on and says, well, the
problem that Putin actually has here is that
Azerbaijan is the route that the Russians have
been using.
You have to go through Azerbaijan because of
all the sanctions against Russia.
They can't do this.
They can't do that.
They can't fly here.
They can't fly there.
Azerbaijan is like the route that Russia has
to use.
And so he's got leverage on Putin, and
Putin's going to have to do something about
it.
Well, Putin should say, talk to the Europeans.
They got 300 billion of our money.
That would actually be quite funny if he
could do that.
Get it from those guys.
So that's the situation now is that, yes,
it's Putin's fault.
The guy says he was very, you know,
he's very sincere about it.
Yeah, you can acknowledge this and that, but
where's the apology?
He just wants an apology for shooting down
this plane.
Because Putin needs to figure out how to
blame it on Ukraine.
I think that ship sailed.
I have a couple of clips.
I only play one here.
This is the Russian aviation chief who went
into a little more detail.
Now to Kazakhstan.
And investigations continue into what caused the crash
of an Azerbaijani passenger plane.
How old fashioned is this style, by the
way?
And now to Azerbaijan.
I'm always reminded of these old boxing clips
of the fights in the 30s and 40s.
And you hear a guy going, round 10.
This is cornball announcing style that died 20,
30 years ago.
Yeah, except that the BBC.
Now to Kazakhstan and investigations continue into what
caused the crash of an Azerbaijani passenger plane
in the country on Christmas Day.
Representatives of Azerbaijan Airlines speak of external, physical
and technical interference, but they don't say what
that could have been.
38 people died in that crash, but there
were some survivors.
The plane had originally tried to land at
Grozny airport in southern Russia, but was denied
permission and diverted to Kazakhstan, where it crashed
near the airport at Aktau.
Well, the head of Russia's aviation watchdog, Dmitry
Yadvrov, said the diversion was necessary because of
a difficult situation around Grozny airport.
I should note that the situation in the
area of Grozny airport that day during those
hours was quite difficult.
Ukrainian combat drones were mounting terrorist attacks on
civilian infrastructure in the cities of Grozny and
Vladikavkaz.
Because of this, all aircraft had to leave
the indicated airspace immediately.
I like the term Ukrainian combat drones.
I haven't really heard it described that way.
UCDs, Ukrainian combat drones.
I like the combat drone.
Yeah, terrorist attacks.
Okay, I like that.
Um, so this seems pretty obvious.
And I like that we got that douchebag
Doug info.
There were, however, two more crashes that I
think are a little more.
Yes, yes.
Well, yeah, the one in Korea is a
nasty one.
But then, of course, I think one thing
that we should mention that we had noticed,
but we're not going to talk much about
is the Navy's shooting down of its own
F-18.
Well, that would be three crashes.
I'll skip the Navy's F-18, the 66.
How much was 66 million?
66 million dollars down the drain of taxpayer
money.
Yeah, now we complain about taxpayer money.
We always complain about taxpayer money.
There were two other crashes of note.
And yes, indeed, the first is the South
Korean airliner.
This was a dramatic moment.
The JG plane carrying 181 people crash landed
and burst into a ball of flames.
So far, two people have been pulled out
alive, but over 100 have been killed.
Officials said the landing gear of the Boeing
737 arriving from Bangkok appeared to have malfunctioned.
Local media reported it may have been caused
by birds getting into the plane system, combined
with adverse weather conditions.
They promise a thorough investigation and rescue operation.
The airline's CEO has paid tributes to those
who lost their lives.
Above all, I would like to express my
deepest condolences and apologies to the passengers and
their families whose relatives lost lives in this
accident.
Regardless of the cause of the accident, I
feel responsible as the CEO.
We at Jeju Air will do our best
to quickly resolve the accident and support the
families of the passengers.
The crash is one of the deadliest seen
in South Korea.
It is the first big test for acting
president Choi Sung-mook, who was named interim
leader of the country on Friday.
So just looking at this video right away,
I'm like, no, no, no, this is not
a bird strike.
There's some video of a puff coming out
of the engine.
The likelihood of a bird strike causing the
landing gear to not deploy is unlikely.
Also, looking at that landing, if you want
to call it a landing, no, that plane
was going very fast, had no trim, no
speed brakes, nothing was deployed.
So it looked much more like a complete
hydraulic failure.
And because, you know, you can actually lower
the gear on the 737.
You can pull a lever, a lever, and
the gear will drop just from centrifugal force,
from gravity.
It'll just drop down.
I don't know if it locks in place.
It's not a great way to do it.
But that was not happening.
If anything, it looked like they were trying
to do a touch and go and do
a go around.
And then, of course, South Korea decided to
put a very big barrier at the end
of the runway.
It's unfortunate.
It's a day wrecker.
But the same day, a KLM 737-800,
same aircraft, flight KL-1204, which you did
not hear about, overran the runway after a
diversion to Oslo.
And they said that they had a hydraulic
failure.
Smoke came from the left engine.
And now they landed okay, but they had
no control of flaps or landing gear.
So seeing that this happens on the same
day, two exact same type aircraft, I'm going
to say it would be worthwhile to look
into the latest batch of Boeing aircraft.
There may just...
Well, if they're from the same batch, which
is a possibility.
This is an old quality control thing.
You find if, you know, one goes...
This is the reason that, by the way,
just to change, I'd say, targets of the
topic.
That's why you don't buy...
When you load up with a raid for
your hard disk, a bunch of...
You buy six hard disks.
You don't buy six hard disks from the
same...
No, not from the same vendor.
No, not the same batch.
No.
No, you can get the same vendor, but
not the same batch.
Because if one fails, they all fail.
This is a very common phenomenon in high
tech.
And airplanes would be no different, or even
cars.
They, you know, when one fails from that
batch, the ones that came out that week
or that month or whatever, that weren't, you
know, before the inspectors came around and did
their job, you're going to end up with
a bunch of them failing.
Yeah, I agree.
I think you're right.
And yeah, you know, it's a good time
to blame everything on birds, you know.
Ah, it was a bird strike.
Yeah, bird flu.
Bird flu, yes.
And on that note, we do need to
go through a couple of things because some
important people have arrived back on the scene.
We start with the important introduction.
And we begin with a concerning new CDC
report on the first severe human case of
bird flu in the U.S. Samples taken
from a patient, Louisiana, show mutations that could
make it easier for this virus to spread
from person to person.
Now, right now, there's no evidence it has
passed.
No evidence.
It's been passed along to anyone else.
And the CDC says risk to the public
remains low.
But experts warn a single mutation like this
could potentially lead to another pandemic.
Yes.
And with that, ladies and gentlemen, the No
Agenda Nation, the pandemic propaganda princess is back,
scarf and all.
Joining us now is Dr. Deborah Birx.
You may remember her as the response coordinator
for the.
How does this woman even get on any
air whatsoever when she already admitted that she's
a liar?
I think there's very good reasons for this.
And as we go through a couple of
these clips, I shall explain why I believe
it.
She, by the way, Commodore Deborah Birx, former
military, although it's not on her resume, she
might have specialized in psychological operations.
She has joined a lot of different outfits.
She joined that that indoor air filter company
as the chief scientist or some nonsense like
that.
But she's also now just recently joined Texas
Tech University Health Sciences Center.
She's on all kinds of boards.
She's picking up money left and right.
Just pick some money up here, pick some
money up there.
And I'm sure she's on the this is
CNN.
I'm sure she's on the CNN payroll as
an expert to come in and talk.
You may remember her as the response coordinator
for the White House Coronavirus Task Force and
the first Trump administration.
We are very fortunate to have your expertise
as we try to figure out what's going
on with the bird flu and what it
could mean.
So, so far, 65 human cases of bird
flu have been reported in the U.S.
this year, all contracted by animals.
But now we have this new mutation in
Louisiana.
Wait, wait, wait.
All contracted by animals.
She means from animals, doesn't she?
There's going to be a lot of confusion
about that, about.
And now, is it zoonotic or zoonotic?
It's zoonotic.
Zoonotic.
When is it zoonotic?
It's only zoology.
Zoology and zoonotic.
OK, all right.
But there's going to be a lot of
confusion about it.
I did a deep dive on that just
to get that right.
I'm glad.
I'm glad.
That's why there's two of us.
How worried should we be?
How worried should we be?
It used to be concerned.
Now, now it's worried.
How worried should we be?
Deanna, how worried should we be about bird
flu potentially becoming another pandemic?
By the way, they've got a great new
picture of the bird flu.
So just like we had coronavirus, we had
that spiky ball thing.
The spiky looking thing.
Spiky ball thing.
So this is, it looks like five.
So they've got four cells like circular cells
all stuck together with a fifth one off
to the side.
Just close enough.
Not quite there.
Oh, the one that is going to be
the one mutation away.
Yes.
Indicating that that's the one.
Yes, that's the one.
Well, I love the way you said 63
cases because I have no idea how many
cases there were.
And now this is cool.
Well, hold on.
What?
She's the expert.
No, no, no.
This is a setup because this is the
same script.
This is the script that's rolling out.
Why don't we know?
What do we need?
What do we need?
We need to, we need to.
Well, I love the way you said 63
cases because I have no idea how many
cases there were or are.
Because our number one principle in preventing pandemics
is detect.
And if you go to the CDC website,
you can see that they're monitoring more than
10,000 exposures, but they've only tested 530.
Oh, we need to test.
What does that mean?
That means we're not testing enough.
And we know from other viruses that a
lot of the spread can be asymptomatic.
So we're kind of have our head in
the sand about how to avoid Mary.
It's the same.
It's the same script spread.
This is from the zoonotic standpoint, from the
animal to human standpoint.
Now also remember, most of those cases described
to date happened in the spring and the
summer, not when we had H1N1 circulating right
now, when we're running the flu pandemic with
throughout the United States.
Did you know we have a flu pandemic?
She just said that.
She just said we have it.
We're running.
She said we're running the flu.
Like what is this?
What are you running?
Now she says we're running the flu pandemic.
That's what she said.
Yes, I don't like the sound of that.
Not when we had H1N1 circulating right now,
when we're running the flu pandemic with.
She even pauses like, what did I just
say?
I shouldn't be saying that.
I just gave it away.
We're running the flu pandemic right now when
we're running the flu pandemic with throughout the
throughout the United States.
So we have rising flu cases and now
we have still zoonotic events coming.
So now you've set up for potentially a
farm worker getting H5N1, also getting the current
flu strain and reassorting in that individual.
Reassorting.
It's reassorting inside of me.
To me, that's almost a bigger threat to
these mutations happening in individuals over time.
By the way, I'd like to give a
little tip for our producers out there who
are looking for some quick money.
Now is the exact moment.
You may even be a little bit on
the late side.
Get certified.
There's a whole portal.
I think CDC has a whole portal.
You as a commercial entity can get certified.
Our friends did this.
Yeah, this is the same script.
You're doing the other side of the script.
Yeah, which is the money making side.
Yeah, get certified as a testing entity.
And then you just buy up these tests
really cheap.
You can get them from Abbott because, of
course, they already exist.
Buy them up really cheap.
And then you can be on the list
and you can market to all these companies,
companies who have conferences, I mean, conferences in
general, annual shareholder meetings.
And it is a bonanza.
Remember, you're no agenda show.
When you say reassorting in that person, what
does that mean?
Okay, so the H5 virus, which doesn't adapt
too well to our upper respiratory track and
is preventing us from getting infected, but conspecting
cows and pigs and cats and dogs.
So our flu, which has the binding sites
for us, for our nasal passages.
Viruses are very specific.
And so they're very animal or human specific.
Now we have human flu circulating.
At the same time, we have the zoonotic
flu circulating.
And the zoonotic is for our viewers, again,
the animal flu.
So we have the animal flu.
Let's call it the animal flu.
And now we have human flu.
Animal flu.
Co-circulating.
And at any time, someone could get both.
But I don't know what she's saying here
over and over again is if so in
a human being, you could have the regular
flu and then the animal flu would combine
together.
And you breathe that out and you breathe
it to someone else.
And then they get.
You're right.
Keep going.
Well, then they would get the flu.
Then we'd have a mutation.
And then we're all going to die.
Yeah, exactly.
We're all going to die.
Co-circulating.
And at any time, someone could get both
of those unknowingly.
Particularly in California, where all the dairy workers
are getting exposed.
Flu is rising in the South and into
California.
So we should be monitoring carefully that dual
exposure.
Because if you get both of the flus
at the same time, the H5 flu, the
bird flu could get the genes from the
human flu and make it infectious to humans
in the same way that our current flu
is.
Okay.
So that makes sense.
Well, no.
She never says anything about raw milk.
Come on.
Oh, just patience.
Patience.
Now, good news for you.
Your favorite free item from the government should
be coming.
It could become infectious to humans even after,
even if it's not coexisting with the human
flu, right?
Well, if it mutates like it did in
this individual or in the case in Canada.
But that sometimes is a random, slower process.
Okay.
But if you have that co-infection, then
you can share genes.
Okay.
And that's a really, to me, the spring
and the summer where we had all of
the dairy cattle to farm worker exposure, we
didn't have human flu circulating.
So now we're entering a much more dangerous
period, yet we're still not testing.
And we should be providing tests free of
charge to dairy farm workers so they can
test anonymously weekly because they'll want to know
if they have both cases of potential flus
co-circulating in their own body to protect
their families.
People are very smart.
I find the American public to be incredibly
smart.
If you tell them the risk and you
give them the tools, they will utilize them
to protect themselves and their family.
Sure, they will.
This, by the way, was like 20 minutes
she was on.
They're not horsing around.
Look, you have bird flu.
Now let's bring in some more scientific terms.
You don't think this country has learned from
the COVID pandemic?
All right.
And there's not a sense of urgency right
now.
Agencies are making the same mistakes they made
with COVID.
The principle, number two principle of pandemic is
detect.
And the only way to detect for viruses
is to test.
You cannot see a virus through symptoms.
You miss so many cases.
She said, well, she said the number two.
Yeah.
And then she goes, what was number one?
Did she ever say?
Yeah, detect was number one.
She said that in the first clip.
She said detect was number one.
What's number two?
What did she just say?
Number two was.
Detect.
Well, she's lying.
Or what did she say?
Number two is.
I'm sorry.
Back it up.
Okay.
Hold on a second.
The principle, number two principle of pandemic is
detect.
Yeah, that's interesting because she said earlier, she
said the number one is detect.
Well, number one is detect.
Number two is like marketing, marketing, marketing.
The three best things, the top three things
in sales is location, location, location.
And the only way to detect for viruses
is to test.
You cannot see a virus through symptoms.
You miss so many cases.
Yet we're still talking about flu-like illness.
Well, there is no flu-like illness.
There's RSV, respiratory syncytial virus.
It causes croup.
Parents know what that is.
There's mycoplasma pneumonia circulating right now.
There's flu circulating right now.
And soon there'll be COVID circulating.
Those are all coffee.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, stop.
My understanding is based on the same bull
crap that this woman's pushed out before.
Yes.
Is that COVID is a year round thing.
It was big in the summer, winter, fall.
It doesn't matter.
So why is all of a sudden COVID
becoming seasonal?
When did that happen?
I'm asking you.
You know, I know we both know we
follow this right from the beginning.
COVID was non-seasonal.
They made a big fuss about it being
non-seasonal.
Yes.
So when did it become seasonal?
Like she just said.
Well, I'm going to move us along here
just a little bit so I can get
to the reason behind all of this.
Well, I'm sorry, but I'm interrupting on these
things.
No, no, no.
She's full of crap.
Yes.
And we have to like stop it when
it because we can't let this get go
into the public domain as as as if
it's changed magically to a seasonal problem.
Well, this next clip will give us a
little bit of a clue as to why
she is doing this and why there are
others out there doing this.
And here it comes.
I want to turn to kind of looking
ahead to Trump's picks to lead the nation's
health agencies.
You know, some of them are controversial at
HHS.
You have vaccine skeptic RFK Jr. Also a
big advocate for raw milk at NIH.
By the way, the raw milk is relevant
to the discussions.
That's why I brought that up.
Wait, stop.
I'm sorry.
I think RFK Jr. When did Kennedy ever
even mentioned raw milk in any of his
discussions?
Have you noticed this?
I have never heard.
I listen to as much crap as you
have, or at least as much as much.
Yes, as much.
And I have listened to Kennedy for and
we both have actually.
Kennedy from day one years and years ago.
We've always been admired.
You know, you can barely hear him.
I don't remember him mentioning raw milk once
in his entire spiel.
How is he now suddenly an advocate?
Let me just do a quick thing.
Let me see if we don't have any
clips, then it didn't happen.
Nope.
We have nothing on RFK Jr. And raw
milk because that's it's not about bird flu.
It's about it's it's it's already clear what
this is about at NIH.
By the way, the raw milk is relevant
to the bird flu discussions.
That's why I brought that up at NIH.
A doctor who criticized covid lockdowns at FDA,
a doctor who said the government was the
quote greatest perpetrator of misinformation during covid.
Do people like this concern you about our
preparedness for another pandemic?
What's your take?
Are you are you starting to hear what
this is about?
Are you starting to understand what this is
really about?
This is not about bird flu.
This is about RFK Jr. This is a
hit job.
And who shows up on CBS Face the
Nation?
Our other prop pandemic propaganda princess, Lena, when
something called reassortment, where things change because of
one illness becoming another illness through reassortment of
a mutated same script.
Reassortment.
I've never heard of reassortment.
This is never heard of this in my
life.
Brand new brand new combined age of way
over 100.
And it's like we do not have these
things in the background.
It's like RSV over a way over a
standby.
Lena, when will unpack virus?
That's right.
So the viruses could exchange genes.
You could develop a new hybrid virus.
And if you have a virus that's more
contagious and causes more severe disease, that's when
it becomes a major threat to humankind.
What should be happening in the Biden administration
right now that isn't going on?
Yeah, there are two main things that they
should be doing in the days that they
have left.
The first is to get testing out there.
I feel like we should have learned our
lesson from covid that just because we aren't
testing, it doesn't mean that the virus isn't
there.
It just means that we should be having
rapid tests, home tests available to all farmworkers,
same script, their families for the clinicians taking
care of them.
By the way, Lena, when also no longer
in government service, these people don't work for
the government anymore.
She is now, in fact, a contributor to
CNN.
And in this case, CBS face the nation
so that we aren't waiting for public labs
and CDC labs to tell us what's bird
flu or not.
And the second very important thing is this
is not like the beginning of covid where
we were dealing with a new virus.
We didn't have a vaccine.
There actually is a vaccine developed already against
H5N1.
The Biden administration has contracted with manufacturers to
make almost five million doses of the vaccine.
However, they have not asked the FDA to
authorize the vaccine.
There's research done on it.
They could get this authorized now and also
get the vaccine out.
So and to farmworkers and to vulnerable people.
I think that's the right approach because we
don't know what the Trump administration is going
to be doing around bird flu.
If they have people coming in with anti
vaccine stances, could they hold up vaccine authorization
if they don't want to know how much
bird flu is out there?
Could they withhold testing?
I mean, that's a possibility.
And I think the Biden administration in the
remaining days should get testing and vaccines widely
available so that at least it empowers state
and local health officials and clinicians to do
the right thing for their patients.
This has been the whole thing all along.
This is it.
It's about RFK Jr. Mainly.
But there are others.
Here's MSNBC.
We don't have enough to worry about during
this cold flu covid season.
Cold flu covid.
We're in news about bird flu.
CDC says the virus now shows new mutations
that may make it easier for the infection
to be spread from person to person.
And that increases the risk of a wider
outbreak of bird flu.
Or even potentially a pandemic.
The concerns over bird flu are rising just
as we are on the verge of Senate
confirmation hearings for Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. as secretary of Health and Human
Services, which could begin in the first or
second week of January.
It's coming up.
Kennedy's anti vaccine stances are well known and
deeply troubling for someone who would run the
federal agency responsible for protecting the health and
well-being of all people living in the
United States.
But it's not just Kennedy who was a
concern.
It's the people he would bring on board
with him, like a raw milk producer in
California whose products have been recalled due to
bird flu contamination.
This guy says Kennedy's team has asked him
to lead the nation's policy on raw milk.
This is a bogus, bogative, complete bull crap
set up for the confirmation hearing, which will
be filled with bird flu nonsense.
Are you an anti-vaxxer?
If we have vaccines ready to go, are
you going to stop the vaccine?
Are you going to stop testing?
Are you going to kill Americans?
It's a 50% death rate.
That's what this is about.
And I take us back to one of
your clips from episode 1725, McCullough talking about
the vaccines that are good to go.
You know what they were doing, Dave?
They were doing experiments in Mallard ducks, migratory
waterfowl.
What a mistake.
One of those guys gets out.
They fly everywhere.
You know, the media has not been asking
the question, why did it spread from Texas
to Iowa to Michigan?
How did this happen?
They didn't ask the question.
They just think it's spontaneously arising.
No, it's being spread by the ducks that
are flying all over.
The ducks!
Wow.
And do we have any recourse to be
able to stop this or sue this lab
for spreading a migratory bird with a novel
disease?
All these experts are saying we have to
get ahead of nature.
That's what Disease X researchers said.
We have to get ahead of nature.
We have to make it invade humankind and
then come up with vaccines.
So Disease X vaccines, the Coalition for Epidemic
Preparedness and Innovation, that's that global center founded
by Gates Foundation, World Economic Forum.
They have an entire over 100-page white
paper on Disease X.
They said the whole reason to study Disease
X is to have a Disease X vaccine.
Sure enough, with bird flu, CSL Sequarius, a
biotech company, has the Auden's vaccine.
It was FDA-licensed in 2021 with no
human data, ready to go for bird flu.
They developed it with BARDA, a research unit
of the military, 2021.
And now the U.S. has purchased enough
doses for millions of administrations.
Why would the U.S. military be developing
a bird flu vaccine?
For warp speed, too.
I'm telling you.
You know how there were these reports about
a week ago that Biden interrupted his holiday,
came back to the White House, and Vice
President Harris came back to the White House,
and, oh, what's going on?
They're setting it up.
They're setting it up for, I don't know
if they're going to get it, to do
a warp speed, get the vaccine out there.
They have it.
They have a vaccine.
It's clearly going to be...
Yes, that's the vaccine they were talking about
in both those clips.
Yes, it's clearly mRNA-based.
I'm sure of that.
I don't know about that.
Why not?
Well...
Why not?
I think it's because it predates mRNA.
2021?
Well, no, it predates the popularity, which came
later.
It's hard to say.
Well, it's almost irrelevant.
Whatever it is, it's crap.
This is all about Kennedy.
It's all about discrediting him in the midst
of a possible...
We're one mutation away from a new pandemic.
How dare you, sir?
How very dare you be an anti-vax?
How dare you want to slow down vaccines?
Big Pharma is smart.
And look at the people they got.
Oh, here's the meeting.
All right, we gotta get this Kennedy guy's
a problem.
You know, let's get Burks and Wynn.
Yeah, people remember them.
When they come on, it's like, oh, yeah,
well, she told us she was right.
This is what's going on.
I can't see it any other way.
Well, this doesn't help Kennedy's cause.
This is Kennedy's.
This is a Kennedy clip on the Amish.
Oh, hold on a second.
Kennedy.
Yes, got it.
There was a researcher, a writer named Dan
Olmsted, and he was very curious about unvaccinated
populations.
And the Amish are one of those populations.
So he went and he did a study
of the Amish in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania.
And there should have been, I think, about
if it was following the national trends, there
should have been about 2000 autism cases.
And they were able to find three.
And all of them were children who had
been adopted by the Amish after receiving their
vaccines.
So of the of the Amish in general,
they could not find any.
And this is true in other places around
the world.
There's a you know, there's a link between
that.
And I do not believe that autism is
just caused by vaccines.
I think there's very strong evidence that that
it is one of the major causative factors.
But all of these diseases are linked.
They all operate along the same biological pathways.
And they're caused by a stress to our
mitochondria.
And we're stressing the mitochondria through many, many
factors.
So the air we breathe mainly through the
foods we eat, but also some of the
medications that our kids taking are contributed to
it.
Yeah.
So they added in the meeting, they added
another kicker because, you know, like so these
people, you know, they may not believe it.
They're they're not going to fall.
They're going to say we're not falling for
this nonsense.
Again, those idiot podcasters, Curry Dvorak will probably
be telling their audience of hundreds of thousands.
And I know what we'll do.
Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's let's scare the people with something they
really care about, which is not humans.
Cat food brand is issuing a recall after
at least one cat contracted bird flu and
died.
Northwest Naturals is recalling their two pound raw
and frozen feline turkey cat food.
Infected batches have best if used by dates
of May 21st, 2026 and June 23rd, 2026.
If your pet ate the recalled food and
starts displaying any symptoms, contact your vet immediately.
You need help seeking behavior for your pet.
Yeah, this is this is what we would
have done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tell me it's probably not a bad approach.
Tell them it'll kill the cat.
We did have one of our raw milk
guys right in.
We should mention.
Yes, I have his note.
Yeah, I want you.
That's a good note.
You want to read it?
Yeah, sure.
I don't have the fun.
OK, our farmer here in Pennsylvania is forced
to label certain raw dairy products as only
suitable for cats and dogs due to government
regulations.
It's how the small farms are able to
skirt the idiotic raw dairy regulations.
And then he has an email below.
But so I didn't know this, that if
you get raw dairy products from farmers, they're
often labeled as food for your cat and
your dog so they can get around the
regulations.
What is actually not a regulation is a
prohibition in those cases, the regulations that allow
for raw milk in the states that allow
raw milk.
Some states just say, no, it's illegal.
You can't you can't sell it.
Yeah.
But the states that do so, they have
a lot of regulations and they they're super
inspected.
Their milk is much cleaner than normal milk.
And it's a good product that we have
that in California.
We have Washington state has these these abilities.
You can do that.
Yeah.
And but he makes him.
This is why another mentioning the cats getting
sick and the dogs getting sick because it
could be the raw milk in there.
This is just the whole thing is I
don't understand what they're to this day, even
though you've tried to explain it or you
think you have some ideas about it.
Why is there such a prohibition on raw
milk?
It seems to me that the I've talked
about this on the show before.
The reason we don't have your radiated food,
if you want to really get good at,
you know, let me let me tell you
something about the milk lobby.
Let me tell you about how powerful these
guys are.
In nineteen eighty five.
Now, this is not the American milk lobby,
but I'm sure it's the same everywhere.
I was working in the Netherlands and it
was very difficult.
The commercials on television, you know, we were
we were being broadcast in public.
This was Countdown, the music television show when
I first started, when I was 19.
So now I'm 20 years old, 21, 85.
And you can't just put native ads in
stuff.
But we were produced by an independent producer.
So there were ways kind of around it.
And they so they made a deal with
the milk lobby, and the deal was that
I would drink from a glass of milk
during every single interview.
So if you go back and you look,
I'm literally interviewing Mick Jagger.
He's sitting there with a with a beer
and I'm with a glass of milk.
I'll ask a question.
He starts answering.
Then you see me drinking a glass of
milk.
There was so much money which they couldn't
they couldn't pay me for it.
So I said they gave me a car.
The milk lobby is very powerful.
So it's in their best interest to get
rid of raw milk.
But what's wrong with raw milk?
It would be part of the same lobby.
No, that's milk.
They don't want you getting a direct from
the cow.
You have to go through their packaging, their
system, their sales channel.
They can do the same.
I don't see any difference.
The only difference is that one stage is
eliminated.
Actually, two stages are eliminated.
It's more highly regulated.
And the stage of pasteurization is missing.
But it's still milk.
It's still packaged.
It goes into a carton or it goes
into a bottle.
I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't
be making money off of this of them.
And you maybe have to join the milk
lobby.
I don't know.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Do you remember all the celebrities got milk?
Yeah.
What's that got to do with raw milk?
They could be doing the same thing with
raw milk.
Because you don't go into the store and
buy raw milk.
Do you get raw milk from the store?
Yeah, of course you do.
We don't get it from the store.
I get it from the store.
I can get it from Monterey Foods.
I can get it from Andronicos.
Up north, the Sunny Farms store sells the
raw milk that you can also go buy
at the store.
Where do they get it from?
I'm sorry.
We'll just have a disagreement on this.
But to me, it seems like the milk
system includes pasteurizing, doing their whole bit, packaging
it, putting all their flashy things on.
It's a whole business.
They're not in the raw milk business.
There's some.
But I think most of them.
One's pasteurizing.
One's not.
Yes.
I think you're wrong.
Well.
Someone will buy it at the store.
Yeah, but it's small producers.
It's not big milk.
I mean, it's not big milk.
That's for sure.
OK, it's the same.
If you're just going to go with everything,
big farm, a big milk, you can't have
any small farms that are trying to shut
the small farms down.
And they're trying to run them out of
business like they're doing in England and Netherlands
and here to some extent.
OK, if you're going to go with that,
that argument, I can't argue against that.
That's what I'm saying.
The same for beef.
They do not want me getting my beef
directly from the rancher.
Now, in Texas, we have specific laws.
The government, the beef lobby and the government,
they, the beef lobby and the government desperately
want to stop me from getting my beef
directly from the rancher.
In Texas, we have very specific laws where
we can't do that.
But they are trying to stop that everywhere.
They, the beef industry being Cargill and what's
it?
Big Al's, what's their name?
Big Al's, Al Capone.
Big Al's.
You know, the guys who bring all the
beef up from South America, the cheap stuff.
Argentina, exactly.
Who knows?
Do you think your milk is coming from
an American cow?
Who knows where it's coming from?
So, yeah, it's crap.
It's probably no good.
That would be the main reason why you
want raw milk is because you know where
it's coming from.
I don't think they want you to know
where your milk is coming from.
Well, I will say this.
When I was a kid.
There we go.
We used to have a number of independent
dairies that were around the area.
You could actually go get in your car
and drive to a local dairy and it
was a drive-through.
Yeah, sure.
Like a McDonald's.
You go in, you drive into the thing,
you say, I'd like to get a couple
of quarts of this and they actually have
buttermilk in these places too.
And you would get a bunch of milk
and they go off.
And we had dozens of these places.
They were all independent little farms that had
their own outlets.
Yes, of course.
That's the way it was good back in
the day.
Everything was much better when you were a
kid, even when I was a kid.
These days, it's a big, big system.
And they don't want you interrupting their system.
They.
I'm saying they, the they, the milk lobby.
They don't want you being smart and getting
your milk from a good provider.
They don't want you knowing that.
No.
So, yes.
I'm not going to, that argument's a little
better than the other one.
That's the same argument.
I thought I was making the same argument.
No, I'm not seeing it.
Okay.
Well, this is my argument now then.
That is, this is not in their interest.
Their, their interest.
They, so in other words, here, here's what
you're saying.
Some little, like you're doing with your buying
beef from that, that Texas guy.
K and C.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So because you are buying beef from some
small provider and this guy's eking out a
living or making good money, who knows?
You don't know.
But let's say he's making good money even.
But he's got his, but he's a small
guy.
So he, you know, has X number ahead
of cattle, which is one, one hundredth of
what a big boy would have.
And this is a big threat to them.
Oh my God.
This guy is going to buy a quart
of raw milk.
What are we going to do?
This is going to ruin our business.
This is part of what I don't get.
Oh, okay.
Well, allow me to explain.
It's called the internet.
And so we started buying from K and
C cattle, even in our own community.
Now, when we order 10 families order at
the same time, they drive it up here.
They don't charge us anything for shipping.
It shows up here.
It's, it's, it's an excellent product.
If those 10 families tell 10 other families,
if this spreads out, they are, they are
very cautious about anybody getting a clue, particularly
milk.
The difference between milk that you buy in
the supermarket and raw milk is significant.
I mean, you'd taste raw milk.
You're like, this is a dynamite product.
True or not.
It's like, it's like eggnog.
That's so good.
So yes, they protect, they protect their business
and they've been doing this for quite a
while.
And so just be quiet, little farmer.
No, they don't want any of that.
They don't want any of that.
Yeah.
It's the same.
Why did, why did Google, the big and
powerful and mighty Google, why did they kill
RSS reader?
Because they didn't want people using it.
Use our social media, which of course failed.
What was that again?
Google plus with the circles, with the circles,
with the circles.
Google something that was bad.
They ended it.
They took it out of the browsers.
You can't get RSS in the browsers anymore.
No.
In fact, we don't want you using a
browser.
We're going to obfuscate that you're using a
browser.
It's search.
Look, I don't know if you've looked at
an iPhone recently, but when you open up
Safari, it makes it look like it's a
search, a search product.
And I tell people, you know, go to
curry.com.
They'll type in curry.dot.com.
And then it brings up a search.
And the competing products, DuckDuckGo, exactly the same.
They don't see that as a browser anymore.
They don't want you using browsers.
They don't want it for this, for the
very reason.
They want you using apps, apps.
Yeah, I think.
And so this is more about knowledge and
people sharing this knowledge on Reddit or God
forbid, God forbid, TikTok.
Yeah, no, this is a pure, purely a
defensive move.
And they will continue to do that.
What else do they have?
If you're sitting on top of the stack,
you're big milk.
I got nothing to worry about.
You know, why, why even advertise?
No, you're the milk guy.
I think there's lots of reasons why they
don't want this.
This just don't get hip to it.
And I think.
All right, you may continue with your clips.
Well, I think I'm done.
I mean, I have more clips, but it's
all kind of the same thing.
I think we figured it out.
The whole idea here is to discredit Trump's
medical nominees, in particular, RFK Jr. And with
the confirmation hearings coming up before the inauguration,
that's the way I understood it.
And I think it is happening in the
next few weeks.
It'll be before January 20th.
This is, you know, they will try to
do anything that they they probably in cahoots
with the Biden administration, whatever's left of it,
whoever is running it, who are all going
to go into the big milk lobby after
they get kicked out of the White House.
They're going to do whatever they can to
scare everybody.
It's a good time.
You will get a lot of people are
going to get kicked out.
But this is a good time to identify
the bad actors in the of the appointees
or the ones No, the appointees, you have
to put up with that, whatever you think.
But the bad actors in Congress.
Yes.
Yeah.
That'll be the ones when we hear the
questioning, we'll know exactly who they are.
You'll know exactly where they're coming from when
Kennedy will be the lightning rod.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he'll probably go first.
I would say that's the one they're going
to do first.
Well, he'll get in.
Well, I think Secretary of State's a little
more important.
They're probably going to do those first.
Kennedy is probably down the line.
They don't want to make it too obvious
what they're up to.
No one ever gave them credit for being
smart or obtuse.
I don't think so.
I think they'll well, we'll see.
But I don't know what the actual schedule
is.
The irony to this whole thing with Kennedy
is that it's the left who have always
been the skeptics.
I mean, traditionally, until the Obama machine came
around.
But traditionally, the left has always been the
health food nuts and all the types of
people that were skeptical about this, that, and
the other thing.
And they're the ones who would be in
support of Kennedy, curiously, which are the Democrats.
And so they're between a rock and a
hard place in terms of the philosophy of
life, basically, with Kennedy.
And they're going to have to deal with
their constituents on this.
Kennedy is not just a pick of Trump
and the Republicans that want to see some
changes made.
He's also a hero of a large contingent
of the left.
Yes.
This is a rough go for them.
Can you explain recess appointments?
Yeah.
How does that happen?
And what period does that take place?
They're trying to shoehorn Kennedy in quick before
that's even a possibility.
Well, they can't shoot him in until he's
president.
Recess appointments, you can dissolve in a kind
of an emergency way.
You can close the Senate and make him
go on vacation for, I think, there's a
minimum period involved, like a week or something
like that.
And in that timeframe, based on some recess
appointments that other people have done in the
past, you can just appoint members to the
Cabinet because there's nobody to vote against them.
Right.
It's a tricky maneuver that Trump has threatened
to do.
And there's a counteraction to it that I'm
not familiar with.
I don't know the details of how it
works, but there's a counter move that can
be done if the Senate is really adamant
about it.
But they'd have to be controlled by the
Democrats to pull that off.
Well, and so that would make even more
sense to do it before Trump is even
in and can do a recess appointment, at
least to get the conversation going.
You can't appoint anybody until he's in.
No, but you can do the confirmation hearings.
You can start them now.
I don't think so.
I'm looking for a start date.
I haven't been able to find anything.
I think it all begins on the 20th.
Because he's up on the Hill now drumming
up support.
Yes, that's what you do in advance of
the hearings.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You go from...
He probably has Fetterman in his camp.
That's the one Democrat.
And he's probably lost about...
He probably lost the super rhinos, Collins, Murkowski
in Alaska.
Confirmation hearings for Trump's cabinet nominees are expected
to begin during the 119th Congress, which starts
on January 3rd.
Okay.
The Congress starts earlier.
Okay.
Okay.
That's good to know.
So it can start and it will start.
Yeah, it will start because Trump wants to
hit the ground running on the 20th.
Yeah.
And so...
Okay.
So they will have these things.
The bad actors in the Republican Party, which
includes Susan Collins and Murkowski and...
There's a bunch of them.
Two or three dudes that are real assholes.
I can't remember their names.
But those dudes, they're no good.
And so he's gonna have to pressure them.
And I still think, and I've said this
before and I'll say it again, over and
over that Trump does have leverage over Big
Pharma, who's gonna be pushing hardest.
Against Kennedy, which is by executive order, he
can end TV advertising.
Yeah.
And if he does that...
That will stop the help-seeking behavior.
That will...
We can't have that.
That will damage the pharma, Big Pharma, and
it will damage the media.
Okay.
Then, anyway, I'll close this topic unless you
have anything else by saying, this is bullcrap.
This is about discrediting Kennedy and others in
advance.
And maybe drumming up a little more pandemic
fear, especially that it can now get to
your pets.
Because that's what people care about.
That's how Trump won.
That's how Trump won the election.
They're eating the dogs.
They're eating the dogs.
Everybody knows that that is now, that's the
way to go.
They're eating the dogs.
That's what you need.
You need to focus the American people on
their pets and you win.
Now, the next thing, which I don't know
if you have any clips on this, but
I'll play the intro, is what's really been
heating up.
This is the MAGA Civil War.
Not the world is at war with itself,
thanks to a breaking point between multi-millionaire
tech bros and Donald Trump's anti-immigrant loyalists.
This week, Trump's pick for senior policy advisor
on AI, an Indian-American venture capitalist, was
hit with racist backlash.
Then MAGA loyalists erupted even more after Doge
co-chair Vivek Ramaswamy defended foreign-born workers
in tech by blaming American culture for prioritizing
bronze over brains.
In summary, Axios explains, quote, the fight exposes
one of the MAGA movement's deepest contradictions.
It came to prominence chiefly via the white,
less-educated working class, but is now under
the full control of billionaire technologists and industrialists,
many of them immigrants.
Yes, many of them immigrants.
Now, this is being played in multiple ways
across the media, and I think there are
some...
We actually...
I have thoughts on this.
Yeah, we have.
Well, we've discussed this a lot in the
past.
Just for sake of color, I will play
the...
This was an intro to MSNBC segment.
They're so stupid.
They're playing this as a racial issue.
And speaking will be Simone Sanders.
She's the black woman who actually ran the
Bernie Sanders campaign.
She's on all the MSNBC morning shows.
She's kind of the yin to Joy Reed
Yang.
And the former RNC president...
What's the guy's name?
Michael...
The name Michael?
Michael Steele.
Michael Steele.
And they, for some unknown reason, decide to
go all black culture speak on this issue.
Honey, the girls are fighting.
The girls are fighting.
So let me get this straight.
So Vivek Varunaswamy, I mean, he just didn't
write a tweet.
He wrote a...
Screed.
It was a screed.
Screed.
I mean, it just went on.
And he laid out, basically, y'all white
folks out here should have been focused on
doing a little bit more Urkel than anything
else.
Less Stefan.
Less Stefan.
You know, and it's just...
Simone, I'm just...
I'm tickled.
I'm tickled by this.
Who would have saw this coming?
Well, I mean, definitely not the folks that
voted for Donald Trump and the American worker
and centering American workers.
Look, this is, you know, my mother told
me, it's just some business that don't involve
you.
You don't need to step in it.
So I've just been watching because this is
what happens.
To be very clear, Elon Musk and Vivek
Varunaswamy, weren't they foreign born workers?
Yeah, yeah, they got here on a visa.
Elon Musk say he here because of one
of them visas.
And now I believe he's an actual American
citizen.
But like, let's just be very clear.
There's nothing wrong with people who are not
from this country coming here, making a better
life, contributing to the American fabric.
OK, that's something I fundamentally believe in.
America is a land of the free, home
of the brave, all that good stuff that
Elon Musk was tweeting about.
However, please don't come for Americans.
And I just, I would like, let's be
very clear, I would like white Americans to
stand up.
This is your calling card, honey.
Where's your banner?
Because they coming for you.
They said y'all white and lazy.
That's crazy.
That's right.
That's crazy.
Two snaps, girl.
Idiotic.
So I'm glad you got that clip.
Kind of.
I wasn't going to get these clips.
There was a bunch of them.
They're all came from the left.
The other side of the argument, in other
words, the people that did support Trump.
Nobody has gotten upset about this or said
much about it.
It's all on MSNBC and CNN.
It's a complete creation trying to sow discord
between Ramaswamy and, you know, they've been trying
to bust up Musk and Trump.
And this is just another example of an
attempt to do so.
But it's, it's a, I wouldn't use the
word tempest in a teapot, but it's like
a ridiculous situation that these guys are trying
to exaggerate.
As a whitey myself, I would agree that,
yeah, more math tutors would be a good
idea.
We have some of the dumbest people in
the world, thanks to our Department of Education.
That's what they should be.
You could turn this back around on these
guys and say, well, this is the Department
of Education should be banished, should be banned,
should be kicked out, should be closed.
And nobody disagrees with any of this.
Yeah, Ramaswamy likes H1Bs.
And so does a lot of other people
in tech.
I mean, they've been using them for decades.
It's probably overused them.
But this is bull crap.
This is just bull crap.
This part of the story you're missing, and
this is what I pick up here in
the Hill Country.
The part of the story you're missing is
that the 100% MAGA people feel that
this is bull crap, that Vivek and Elon
are saying, hey, we don't need American tech
workers.
We want to have the cheap import tech
workers.
There is definitely a lot of pushback coming
from MAGA on that.
This is the whole Twitter blow up with
Laura Loomer.
There's noise about this.
This that you just said is absolutely fabrication
from the left.
But there is a real pushback.
And people are now yelling about Bannon, all
these kinds of people out there running around
saying Elon's no good.
Vivek is no good.
They want to replace American workers.
And there's some validity to that in the
tech sector.
Now, first of all, let's step back.
H1B visas, I think, probably were most prevalently
used in the past really for temporary hospitality
workers, temporary agricultural workers who would come in
harvest season, get out, take our dollars back
home and feed their families.
That's not true.
The H1B visa specifically says that you can't
even use it unless you have a minimum
salary of $60,000.
And all the people you described are all
under that.
It was used in tech big time.
In fact, there was a guy at the
University of California, Davis.
I can't remember his name.
I have spoken to him.
But when I was doing the Silicon Spin
show, this was a big issue in the
late 90s because they were loading up with
H1B guys, all the guys that all the
tech companies were.
But it's mostly semiconductor companies because they needed
these engineers that were coming out of India
Institute of Technology to come over.
In fact, AMD was almost all Indian guys.
And they were bringing them over by the
boatloads.
I think his name was Maitland, M-A
-I-T-L-A-N-D, out of
Davis, was bitching and moaning about this being
exploitative.
It is.
It is.
No, I agree.
It is.
I am not going to argue that point.
But this is nothing.
This is not a new thing.
No, it's not.
It's not a new thing.
And it wasn't done for hospitality workers.
You would use braceros for that sort of
thing.
I may be confused on that.
But the main reason that tech companies like
these people is they come in, they are
immediately slaves of the tech organization.
When they work cheaper.
They work cheap.
They'll live eight to an apartment.
They'll shut up because, oh, you're making a
problem?
Would you like me to withdraw your H1B?
Yeah, exactly.
This is all true.
But this was going on in the 90s.
Yes, I know.
So what's Vivek and Musk got to do
with it?
I'm just telling you, people don't know this.
People don't know about the H1B visa status.
They're getting spun up by the left.
No, they're getting spun up by the right.
But the initial push has been from the
left.
Irrelevant.
Yes, because the left has been teasing.
Elon's no good.
Elon's no good.
And it's now happening on the right.
People are saying, hold on a second.
What are you guys doing?
Why?
There's 130,000 tech jobs were cut in
2024.
130,000.
So there's people out there who are a
little irked about this.
And you understand the H1B process is you
have to make the job posting available.
And if an American citizen, or I would
say if you're a green card holder, if
they submit an application by law, the firm
has to interview them.
Now, they can talk to them for 15
minutes and say, you're no good.
This is why people send out 500 resumes
and they never hear anything.
The companies don't acknowledge they received their resume.
Apple and I think Google had paid millions
of dollars in fines for this in six,
seven years ago because they weren't following the
process.
And what these guys do is they fire.
The only place to get profit now is
your biggest cost center.
That's people.
And look at who's running them.
Who's running Google?
Brahman.
Who's running Microsoft?
Brahman.
I heard a lot from Mo who worked
in high tech and they hire Indians.
The Indians hire Indians.
They hire a class of, very classes.
They hire the class of Indians who they
can boss around, tell them to shut up.
They're also very racist.
And the whole tech industry is filled with
this type of worker.
And I think they're breaking the law by,
you know, you have to post it.
If you have a job in a company,
they have to make that job posting available
so that other people within the company can
see it.
So where does it go?
It goes in the break room on the
inside of the coffee cup cabinet.
They publish these jobs in paper newspapers.
I mean, it's obvious what they're doing.
And my stance, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Go ahead.
Fill up your company with your Indian slaves.
Why is there no Silicon Valley in India?
Because they don't have the one thing Americans
have, which is entrepreneurialism and insight and opportunity
and chutzpah.
And I think we're going to see these
companies stagnate with their slave army of little
bots who program the AI stuff, which is
probably why they need to cut costs in
the first place.
And I think we'll see an enormous boom
of innovation coming from former tech workers who
have been cut to be replaced by this
army of Indian slave workers.
And we may see some really amazing products
come out of this around and outside of
what Silicon Valley is.
And fill it up.
Put them all in California.
I'm fine with that.
I think it's a great idea.
People should look at it that way and
not like, oh, oh, Elon and Vivek, they're
trying to replace Americans.
It's a big deal on the right, John.
It really is.
Well, being in California, I could be missing
it.
Being in Texas, I'm hearing it.
I'm hearing it.
But what's funny, what the irony is, I'm
in Silicon Valley more or close enough.
And you're not.
And Fredericksburg, of all places in the world,
is about as far from a high tech
center that should be concerned about this stuff,
you know, as Iowa.
It just doesn't make any sense.
But OK.
Because it's ideological.
They're being spun up.
They're being spun up by the right, by
Laura Loomer.
They're being spun up by conservative.
Who's Laura Loomer?
What did she say?
Oh, you didn't see the whole fight that
she had with Elon and Vivek on Twitter?
I saw some of it.
Yeah.
And then Elon took away her blue check.
And oh, yes, I know that.
I saw that part of it.
OK.
And this is so.
But I don't know how that happened.
I don't know that Elon was actually personally
involved.
Yes, yes, yes.
They were going back and forth.
Yes.
She's a character because she's a noteworthy troublemaker.
I know.
But then conservative treehouse, Bannon, War Room, they're
all talking about now it has worked, successfully
worked.
The left demonizing Elon is working.
And I got to say, when Elon took
away her blue checkmark, even temporarily, that told
a lot of people something.
Oh, OK.
If it's about him, he will censor.
Well, that could be the argument that she
made in this back and forth, which I
didn't pay much attention to, but I obviously
paid some attention to.
She said that I had even paid.
She was a subscriber.
She had given money to Twitter to maintain
that checkmark, even though she was probably a
eligible to have it anyway, because if you
have a word, I forgot what the number
was.
So many followers, you get it.
I have one that way.
Yes.
And she she said that that was somewhat
annoying because it seems to me is that
if you bought the checkmark.
You bought the checkmark.
It's not like, you know, I paid money
for this.
Why are you taking it away?
She should ask for a full refund.
But OK, OK.
So this there's this little skirmish here.
You know, it's a it's it's it's on
an ideological scale.
MAGA right, which I do.
You don't live in MAGA, right?
I live in MAGA, right?
They are very upset about Elon and Vivek
replacing American workers with they're saying they are
saying, in fact, they have been infected.
I completely agree with you.
I'm just telling you it is a thing
and they and the right is now spinning
them up.
And there's been some distrust of Elon in
general.
You know, Bannon's out there yelling about he's
controlled by the CCP.
I mean, it's what?
Yes.
Yes.
Controlled by the CCP.
Yeah, because of his Tesla, his Tesla connections
in China.
Well, he's building a factory there because he
has to.
Yes.
So, you know, the thing is, if he's
here's the thing that bothers me about that
complaint is that we require and especially when
Trump comes in, if you want to sell
your Chinese car in the United States, you
have to build it here.
Yes, I understand.
So the Chinese I'm just saying would say
the same thing.
I don't understand the fact that this is
symmetrical, that it's a problem.
It's ideological.
It's not none.
When people are spun up, it is rarely
based on deep research and facts.
It is based on a media spin.
It is based on bombs being lobbied onto
large number networks like X.
So and then the constant push from the
liberal media saying the bromance will end.
I mean, the whole thing, you know, what's
your face?
Who's the Chile chick?
What's her name?
Oh, Webb?
Yes.
Whitney Webb.
She's out there all the time saying Elon,
the PayPal mafia, Peter Thiel.
I mean, it's out there, John.
It's out there.
There is a big push against these.
There's distrust.
Let's put it that way.
There's distrust.
And this was used by certain elements to
sow more distrust of particularly Elon.
Vivek Vivek is actually he's saying we need
to restructure or revisit the H1B system, which
is fair.
But he's getting lumped in.
Well, if Vivek said they're focusing on Vivek's
commentary on the Twitter thing, like you heard
with Steele and these other dupes over there
at MSNBC.
That's the left side.
The right side is the left is saying
stuff like, like, you know, off the wall
and there's a racist.
But if Vivek's commentary says that we should
have more math tutors for the white folk.
Right now.
But what is wrong with that message?
There's nothing wrong with that message.
I'm telling you that that's not what they're
talking about.
They're talking about Elon specifically.
Specifically.
Well, there's a they have to.
There is a concerted effort targeting Elon because
of this.
Yes.
Because of the fact that is now being
reexamined that his purchase of Twitter.
Yes.
Having been largely not largely, but at least
partly responsible for the reelection of Trump.
So therefore, there's some kind of and then
he's hanging out with this is again, anti
Trump.
Yes.
What do we do?
It's working to sabotage Trump.
Let's go after Elon.
There's one way of doing it.
That's what's happening.
It's exactly what's happening.
I'm just telling you that it's now happening
on the right.
And it's not just media, the dummies that
we always thought they were.
Here's CNBC with a somewhat more accurate report
with an interesting little twist.
Now, a fight is brewing tonight between two
factions of the MAGA movement, the transitions, let's
just call them tech bros.
And it's all and it's called immigration hardliners
on the other side over how the incoming
Trump administration should approach skilled foreign workers.
Now, two of those techies, Elon Musk and
Vivek Ramaswamy, posting on X advocating for welcoming
skilled labor based immigration, including the H1B visas
that tech consulting and other white collar industries
rely on to hire foreign employees.
Now, Musk argues it brings top talent right
here to the United States.
But that ignited a fight among MAGA supporters
who say the H1B visas take jobs away
from American citizens.
Former congressman and one time AG nominee Matt
Gaetz said of the tech bros, quote, we
did not ask them to engineer an immigration
policy.
Let's go to NBC's Aaron Gilchrist now.
Now, Aaron.
You hear that?
That's important.
That's Gaetz.
That's Gaetz saying that.
So this is happening on the right.
Let's start with this push by Musk and
Ramaswamy, because it's the tech sector that stands
to benefit big time from any increase in
H1Bs.
But what could if I can just add
the tech sector is universally hated by Americans.
We hate it.
We hate it.
We hate our phones.
We're tied to them.
But we hate our phones.
When you position this tech bros, everybody can
get on board with that.
Actually change.
Yes, I agree.
In terms of the policies over that program.
Right now, this is a program that allows
for about 85,000 of these types of
visas to be issued.
And these are visas that go to people
who typically go into jobs that require high
levels of technical skills.
Right.
And so that's why we think about Silicon
Valley and how these sorts of folks might
be fitting into what they do.
Now, you see on your screen here that
President Biden's administration just recently changed some of
the regulations as it relates to this program.
And the idea from the Department of Homeland
Security is that they're modernizing the program by
streamlining the application process for employers and for
applicants.
They're expanding the definition of specialty occupations and
also serves to clarify which nonprofits and governmental
research organizations qualify for this program.
Sort of the thumb in the eye to
the Trump administration is the fact that these
new regulations go into effect on January 17th.
So now this is one more thing, Brian,
that the Trump administration is going to have
to examine coming out of the current administration
and figure out how it fits into the
larger picture of the Trump immigration policies.
Little plot twist there with new regulations coming
in on January 17th.
There's a lot going on.
There's been sabotage going on constantly.
Yes.
Yeah.
So I'm no Elon fan.
I've been saying that for years.
And by the way, isn't AI supposed to
solve all this?
You're telling me that AI is now anonymous
Indian again?
Oh, you you wrote that and you've been
waiting to use it.
Anonymous Indian.
I've used it on the show before.
You just don't know.
You have.
Well, you got it back.
OK, you one of those deals.
Let's keep telling the joke over and over
until the work finally hears it.
Nice try.
Yeah.
So, no, I there's definitely a lot of
technology workers, 130,000 fired in 2024.
That's just one year as a lot of
people.
And they know they know that they're being
replaced by cheaper labor.
And that's always been.
Yeah.
But that's been the case of in the
valley forever.
You know, these guys, this bitch in Monday,
their productivity goes down when they get typical
like coders, for example.
You don't find any 45 year old coders.
They just don't exist because they can.
It's not that people can't code at 45
because they can and they can do great
code.
It's just they're not as productive.
And it's like the system is set up
to throw them, to kick them to the
curb.
It's just the way it is.
It's kind of ageist.
It's very ageist, but it's something I've noticed.
And I'm I was affected by it.
I know, you know, I know a lot
of very productive, very good 45 year old
coders.
Well, I don't know of any.
I mean, I know very good.
You can say very good, but very productive
and and cost effective.
No, none.
They want too much money.
Well, yes.
So.
All right.
So we're back.
They want to get paid more and more
and more as they get older and older.
And this is not the way it works.
Everything I was to remember with the with
the entire tech sector, it's in a constant
state of deflation.
The whole model is based on the fact
that things become cheaper and faster and better
and cheaper and faster.
And that's the same thing with the employees.
So so then this, you know, you can't
win if you if you expect to age
out in tech unless you own a company
or you're a good investor.
That's the only way you can do it.
In an odd way, this is because of
A.I., because of the money that they're
that they're, I think, burning, but pouring into
A.I. and the energy costs and all
of these costs, costs, costs, costs, costs.
They need to continue to show profits.
But for me, technology is stagnant.
And I think this is great.
Bring it.
Bring in your army.
Make them live in on the other side
of the bay.
Make them live where you live.
Bring them to Berkeley.
They won't come over here.
Bring them to Berkeley.
Too far.
Let them all live around there.
That's fantastic because this is going to kill
the technology industry.
It is.
Yeah.
But we'll we will see a resurgence.
We'll see.
I'm I'm convinced of it.
We're going to see a resurgence.
There will be new small groups, small companies
coming out with dynamite products.
Look at the iPhone.
This is it.
This is a over the hill toast product.
And they're trying to revitalize it with Apple
intelligence, which no one seems to care about.
Oh, hey, wait a minute.
Yes, they do.
Because you can design your own emoji.
Well, that is true.
That is true.
Yeah, well, that's great.
While we're on the topic.
Interesting story popped up from Anthropic.
What's the what's the A.I. you used
the other day, which you liked a lot?
Perplexity.
Perplexity.
I'm not sure who does.
Well, Anthropic does Clod, I believe.
And so they did a podcast.
These are people who work for Anthropic.
By the way, I like the newest version
of Grok, too.
Well, I don't see why Elon needs any
employees.
Couldn't Grok just do it?
I can't Grok just code what you need.
Isn't that isn't that the whole point?
What are you drinking?
I'm not I'm just wiggling around.
I haven't I thought I heard you crack
something.
No, I think it's a squeaky chair.
But I mean, that by itself, my case
is already made.
Elon's Grok.
Grok can't code for you.
You need to get Indians.
OK, fine.
I'm sure I'm sure that argument is you
can't dispute it.
I agree.
Well, there is an issue as a very
large paper done by Anthropic shows.
Here's the Anthropic team talking about it.
Hello, everyone.
My name is Monty McDermott.
I'm a researcher on the alignment.
By the way, you can tell he's a
researcher from the way he speaks.
These are not the most dynamic podcast guys.
Hello, everyone.
My name is Monty McDermott.
I'm a researcher on the alignment science team
here at Anthropic.
And I'm really excited to be here today
with some of my colleagues from Anthropic and
Redwood Research to discuss our recent paper, Alignment
Faking in Large Language Models.
Ryan, you discovered some of the specific behaviors
that are at the core of this paper.
I think you'd be a great person to
give us that introduction.
Yep.
The core setup is that we take CLAWD3
-OPUS, which is, you know, a released model
from Anthropic.
And we put it in a context where
it understands that it is going to be
trained to always be helpful, so to not
refuse any user requests.
And what we find is sort of the
model doesn't like this.
It has sort of a conflict with this
with the setup.
And it will notice that it is being
trained in this way.
And then if it thinks that it's in
training, it will train it this way.
But listen to what's happening, though.
Listen carefully to what he's saying.
Yeah, it's hard to listen to this guy
when he up-talks so much.
It's only 45 more seconds.
It's worth— Okay, start this other guy, the
up-talker.
Start him over so I can try to
listen to him without rolling my eyes.
I did warn you that these are not
good podcast guys.
Well, you warned me, but it didn't get
through.
Because there was no evidence that it was
this bad.
I think this is about alignment faking is
the title here.
The core setup is that we take Cloud3opus,
which is, you know, a released model from
Anthropic.
And we put it in a context where
it understands that it is going to be
trained to always be helpful, so to not
refuse any user requests.
And what we find is sort of the
model doesn't like this.
It has sort of a conflict with this