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1785: Mackerels

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Oh, now you've connected the dots.
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Adam Curry, John C.
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Dvorak.
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It's Sunday, July 27, 2025.
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This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation Media
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Assassination Episode 1785.
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This is no agenda.
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Everything's F.E.G. And we're broadcasting live
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from the heart of the Texas Hill Country
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here in FEMA Region No.
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6.
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Good evening and good morning, everybody.
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I'm Adam Curry.
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And from northern Silicon Valley, where I'm fogged
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in.
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I'm John C.
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Dvorak.
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Here's Craig Vaughn and Buzzkill.
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Yeah, it must be July in San Francisco.
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It happens every year.
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Yeah, Bay Area.
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Fog.
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I wake up, it's foggy.
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Cold.
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Oh, boy.
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And you know, it has been one of
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the mildest summers I've ever witnessed in Hill
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Country.
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Or in Texas in general.
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Global warming.
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In Texas in general.
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It's just, it's really, it's been nice.
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It's been really, really nice.
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So I wasn't able to get a clip.
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Because no one had anything.
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It started just before we came, before we
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got on the air live.
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We have a deal.
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We have a deal.
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We got a huge deal.
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Did you hear about the huge deal?
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Well, I heard that about an hour ago,
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Trump said, I saw the live press conference
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and he said, we should have a deal
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in a half an hour.
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We had to wait a half an hour.
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What was going to change?
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Because they were inking the deal.
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So it looks like, I think Queen Ursula
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folded.
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And we got ourselves a deal.
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Between the European Union and the United States.
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And President Trump looks very happy.
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But it was kind of telegraphed already.
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Did you see anything of the European Union
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-China summit?
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I saw none of it.
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Wow.
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All of a sudden Queen Ursula is sounding
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like President Trump.
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A few figures.
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Today the European Union accounts for an impressive
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14.5% of China's total exports.
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Yet China only represents 8% of our
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exports.
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These numbers speak to the scale of our
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relationship.
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But they also expose a growing unbalance.
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It is mostly due to an increasing number
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of trade distortions and market access barriers.
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But unlike other major markets, Europe keeps its
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market open to Chinese goods.
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This reflects our long-standing commitment to rules
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-based trade.
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However, this openness is not matched by China.
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The European Union's trade deficit with China has
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doubled in the last decade.
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Reaching more than 300 billion euros by now.
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We have reached a clear inflection point.
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As we said to the Chinese leadership, for
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trade to remain mutual beneficial, it must become
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more balanced.
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Europe welcomes competition.
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We like competition.
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But competition has to be fair.
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Pretty much the same problem we had.
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Well, it's about time they figured it out.
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And this was even more interesting.
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What did she wave around as the only
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other option if China doesn't return to rules
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-based trade?
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Everything is, play fair.
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Please play fair.
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She brought out the T word.
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The need to rebalance our relationship is even
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more urgent in today's context of the global
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rise of tariffs.
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As two of the world's largest economies, the
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European Union and China share a responsibility to
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uphold and reform the global trading system so
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we can keep it open, fair, and grounded
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on rules.
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This responsibility also extends to upholding international norms,
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rules, and institutions.
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And this is why we raised the critical
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issue of China's support for Russia's war of
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aggression against Ukraine.
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This has a direct and dangerous impact on
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Europe's security.
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And we expressed together our expectations that China
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would follow up on our concerns and the
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expectation that it would use its influence to
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bring Russia to accept a ceasefire, to come
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to the negotiation table, enter peace talks, and
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put an end to the bloodshed.
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How China continues to interact with Putin's war
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will be a determining factor for our relations
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going forward.
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So the way I see it, China went,
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no.
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And then she went, oh, okay.
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We'll just do business with the United States
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then.
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Seems pretty simple to me.
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Well, China, this is going to catch up
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to them eventually.
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Yeah.
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They've gotten away with it.
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I mean, the Chinese even knew this because
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they had talked about turning inward, a Chinese
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technique, usual technique of dealing with issues.
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What does that mean, turning inward?
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They create their own market and just sell
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to themselves.
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Isn't that illegal?
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What?
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Just kidding.
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What?
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I'm just kidding.
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Yeah.
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They're going to sell their own stupid solar
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panels to themselves?
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All right.
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Good.
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That's what they have too much of.
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They've subsidized all this stuff.
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Their whole system is based on overproduction.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then dumping it cheap on other countries
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like the EU.
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And us.
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So I think a big part of this
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deal was Europe.
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Surprise, surprise.
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Europe is going to spend a lot of
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their 700 billion euros earmarked for weapons on
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U.S. weapons.
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What are the chances?
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What are the chances?
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Yeah.
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Well, that's all we – what else do
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we do?
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No, we don't.
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We sell agricultural products.
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We sell that.
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They weren't buying that either.
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Apparently, they're going to start buying something.
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Supposedly.
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Give them our GMO corn.
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Let's send them that.
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Well, we can send them GMO corn or
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a lousy wheat.
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All the poisonous stuff we grow.
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Yeah.
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Send it to them.
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So the president is in Scotland today and
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the Scottish are out protesting.
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At least that's what the M5M is showing
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us.
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And what's really interesting, I watched probably 20,
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25 minutes of man-on-the-street interviews.
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And these are not organized protests.
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These are really – they're handmade signs.
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Poorly made handmade signs.
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Like, can they not even draw properly there?
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And what's interesting is they just hate Trump.
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They say, well, we don't like what he's
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– no one says what he's doing.
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They just hate him.
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Listen to this.
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I'm very much against everything that Trump stands
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for and what he's doing in America.
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So I want people to know, the Americans
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know, that we are very much pro them,
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their democracy.
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But we really want the lies, the falsehoods,
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the racism, the fascism to stop.
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So that's why we're all – The racism
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and the fascism.
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Huh?
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No, the talking points – I have some
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clips, too, I want to get to.
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The talk – which are from NPR, which
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will back up your clips.
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But these are just American talking points.
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These are setups.
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This is not real.
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This is bullcrap.
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Soros or somebody paying some people to stand
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around.
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They say themselves there's 100 people.
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Oh, no, it's a small crowd.
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But it's the same thing as No King's
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Day, basically.
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Where everyone was just standing around saying, No
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King!
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Well, what's the problem?
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We just don't want a king!
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There's nothing.
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There's no content.
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So that's why we're all demonstrating today.
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He shouldn't be here.
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You know, we shouldn't give him airtime.
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You know, somebody like that, who has those
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standards, I don't think should be welcome in
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this country.
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I'm here just to show my support for
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the people that think the same way as
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me.
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And basically – I'm just here for the
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other people who are here who have no
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message.
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I detest everything Donald Trump stands for.
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You sometimes wonder if, you know, protest works
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and people listen to it.
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But that's the only tool that we have
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for democracy and to show our dislike of
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Donald Trump, basically, and what he stands for.
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Shut up!
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Don't let them talk.
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What are you going blah, blah, blah for?
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Because that's blah, blah, blah.
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She's not saying anything.
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That's the point.
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That's the point.
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There's one last guy here who tries to
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make a point.
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Dislike of Donald Trump, basically, and what he
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stands for.
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I'm pretty much – I'm an immigrant myself.
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I've come from Italy here to Scotland.
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And I stand pretty much against everything that
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Trump does.
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And I think Scotland should reject Trump in
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a strong way.
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Because – just to send a signal that
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the majority of the people in the world
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don't agree with what he's doing in terms
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of, like, the genocide in Palestine and the
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treatment of immigrants in the U.S. All
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right, so Trump is genociding in Israel or
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something like that, and the immigrants.
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And that was the only thing – the
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only – actually, the president brought two messages
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the minute he got off the plane.
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Probably both are being celebrated by the people
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not holding the signs.
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You better get your act together.
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You're not going to have Europe anymore.
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You've got to get your act together.
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And we, you know, as you know, last
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month we had nobody entering our country.
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Nobody.
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Shut it down.
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And we took out a lot of bad
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people that got there with Biden.
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Biden was a total stiff.
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And what he allowed to happen.
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But you're allowing it to happen to your
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countries.
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And you've got to stop this horrible invasion
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that's happening to Europe.
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Many countries in Europe.
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Some people – some leaders have not let
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it happen.
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And they're not getting the proper credit.
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I could name them to you right now,
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but I'm not going to embarrass the other
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ones.
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But stop – this immigration is killing Europe.
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And the other thing, stop the windmills killing
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the beauty of your countries.
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Thank you very much, everybody.
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Stop the windmills.
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That's what they focused on on PBS.
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The windmills?
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Really?
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Well, the EU is still all in on
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the green energy transition.
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What do you have for me?
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Before you go there, I got these clips
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of Trump in Scotland.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Let's do it.
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First of all, there's the overview clip we
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can play or not play, which is Trump
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in Scotland NPR, which is just their general
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clip.
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Which doesn't have the good stuff.
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Well, we need an overview just for prosperity.
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President Trump is in Scotland this weekend, visiting
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his golf resorts and meeting with British and
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European leaders.
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A major security operation is underway for his
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visit, with officers around the UK brought in
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to support Scottish police.
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But some locals are concerned about the scale
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and cost of the operation.
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NPR's Fatemeh Al-Qassab reports.
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President Trump's visit to his golf courses on
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opposite sides of the country has prompted a
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major police operation around Scotland, which is expected
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to cost Scottish taxpayers millions of dollars.
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Kerry Walsh from Glasgow says she's not sure
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it's worth it.
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So much is being spent on him being
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here, and I don't know what the benefit
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of him being here is, if I'm honest.
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The Scottish Police Union says resources are stretched,
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and it may take officers much longer to
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respond to other incidents over the weekend as
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a result.
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Protesters are planning what they are calling a
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festival of resistance to the president's visit.
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Oh, well, that's what we heard, a festival
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of resistance.
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That's almost a show title.
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They're playing into the stereotype of the Scots
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being cheap bastards.
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With what?
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Oh, they're worried about the price.
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Oh, it's so expensive.
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Oh, yeah.
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I thought that was kind of a...
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Now we have, we might as well play
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the Scott, we have Scott Simon.
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Oh, but how could I not be ready
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for that?
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I don't know.
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How is beyond me?
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I don't even know where, here he is.
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I need to...
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Suffering succotash.
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I'm Scott Simon.
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President Trump is...
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The weekend show up first, but I have
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it down here as the first.
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And the clip, the first, there's three clips
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here, which has a punchline.
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The first NPR Trump in Scotland hit piece.
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In Scotland, the home country of his late
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mother, President Trump will be playing golf, promoting
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the golf resorts he owns there and meeting
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with British and European leaders.
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But questions about other things have followed him
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there.
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Gaza, the Federal Reserve and his dead former
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friend, the sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
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Wow.
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And there are protests.
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Wow, his dead former friend.
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Wow.
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Oh.
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Is that good?
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Yeah.
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That is good.
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His dead former friend, the sex offender Jeffrey
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Epstein.
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And there are protesters.
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And Pierce Lauren Frayer is at a demonstration
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in Edinburgh, joins us from there.
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Lauren, thanks for being with us.
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Thanks for having me, Scott.
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What kind of welcome is the president receiving
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in Scotland?
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Well, I'm outside the U.S. consulate in
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Edinburgh, where several hundred people gathered today.
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There are Scottish bagpipers.
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One of them is holding a sign that
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says, at least this bag of hot air
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serves a purpose.
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There are Palestinian flags over the crowd.
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I also see a sign that says, Scotland
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is already great.
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A reference to, you know, making anything great
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again.
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Protest organizers here call this a festival of
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resistance.
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Here's protester Niamh Cunvin-Smith.
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Why on earth is this convicted felon allowed
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to come into our country and play golf
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when the people do not like him?
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A recent poll found that more than 70
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% of people in Scotland have an unfavorable
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view of Trump.
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That's higher than across the entire United Kingdom.
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People here say they're motivated by Trump's climate
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policy.
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In fact, some climate protesters actually abseiled, belayed
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themselves on ropes down off a bridge here
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last night.
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Others say they're protesting U.S. policy in
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the Middle East.
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Many Scots are also angry at the cost
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to taxpayers of Trump's visit here.
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And there are even a few Jeffrey Epstein
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posters in the mix here.
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Yeah, some of the headlines were, convicted felon
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visits Scotland.
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Oh, those British tabloids.
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It's unbelievable.
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This is the kind of hit piece.
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It's not news at all.
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It's just a hit piece.
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And it gets worse, but it doesn't get
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to the third clip, which is the real
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killer, showing that they're just, they can't even
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do a good report.
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This is the first NPR Trump in Scotland,
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too.
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A topic that the president might have hoped
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to leave on this side of the Atlantic,
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I should think.
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Probably, but it's one of the things that
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the traveling press asked him about moments after
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Air Force One touched down here last night.
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Trump denied ever being briefed that his name
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might be in the Epstein files.
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He said he has the power to pardon
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Epstein's ex, Ghislaine Maxwell, who is in prison,
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but that he hasn't thought about doing that.
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And he said, if you're going to talk
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about Epstein...
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Talk about all of his friends.
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Talk about the hedge fund guys that were
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with him all the time.
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Don't talk about Trump.
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So Trump was dodging questions about Epstein here.
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But it's not just the media talking about
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this.
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Scottish protesters stealthily put up a sign outside
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of one of Trump's golf resorts here this
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week that says, quote, "'Twinned with Epstein Island.'"
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The president does have deep family ties to
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Scotland.
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As we mentioned, his late mother was born
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and raised there.
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Do Scots like to consider him a native
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son?
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Yeah, I mean, his mother was born on
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the Isle of Lewis in the Outer Hebrides
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Islands, a place that Trump once, on a
16:33
visit, called Serious Scotland.
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Her first language was actually Gaelic.
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Trump has long owned golf resorts here, so
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Scots have been well acquainted with him for
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a long time, even before he became president.
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Trump says he loves Scotland, but he's also
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been critical of its environment policy, for example.
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He's called for the country to scrap what
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he calls windmills, renewable energy wind turbines.
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He considers them an eyesore.
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He's called on Scotland to double down on
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energy from fossil fuels instead.
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Oh, man.
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And, of course, Scotland has a huge supply
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of fossil fuels off their coast.
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Yes.
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It's called gas.
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I mean, it's a monster, it's a monster
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source, and they do, oh, let's put up
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some windmills.
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It's pretty funny.
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And ruin, ruin the seascape.
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Ruin is so bad.
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So we go to this last clip, which
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shows the kind of crappy reporting they're doing
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on NPR, even though they run commercial after
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commercial.
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I have a couple of them on here
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about their needing more money.
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This is the first Trump, Scott 3, WTF
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clip.
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And when you...
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See if you can hear the slant, the
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way they slant the conclusion.
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Here's an Edinburgh bartender.
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I spoke with Cam Page.
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I mean, the first thing I saw going
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on about it was the windmills and all
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that.
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I think it's a bit weird that the
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first thing he does when he comes here
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is just mourning and complaining.
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He kind of just wants Trump to butt
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out of his country's energy policy.
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He never said that.
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He never said that.
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At the very end, she makes up a
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conclusion the guy never said.
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If the guy said he wants Trump to
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butt out of his energy policies, why doesn't
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she ask the guy on tape?
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Why didn't she play that instead of saying
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it herself?
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Well, she has to justify her reason for
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existence in Scotland on this trip, on this
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gambit.
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As soon as they said the bartender, I
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started clipping it.
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I said, oh, but the bartender will be
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down to earth.
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Joke around.
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He says, oh, he didn't say anything other
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than what you'd expect from a bartender.
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And then she makes up a conclusion.
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Oh, it's unbelievable.
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NPR, we should defund them.
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Oh, wait.
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We already did.
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Yeah.
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Since we're on these guys, playing a couple
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of these clips, this is the way the
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show starts.
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This clip is the first NPR, Scott and
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Alicia.
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He's teamed up.
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He only works on the weekends, makes $400
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,000 plus a year.
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That really bothers you, doesn't it?
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We only work two days a week.
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We just don't make his kind of money.
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We have the same basic deal.
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No, everybody at NPR makes $400,000 a
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year.
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And so they team him up with Alicia,
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the black woman who just is a screecher.
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And it must, I think they did it
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to torture him, to be honest about it,
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because he's kind of old school broadcaster.
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But let's listen to this.
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Here's the classic opening.
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President Trump is in Scotland.
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But it can't escape questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
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You're making a very big thing over something
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that's not a big thing.
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I'm Aisha Roscoe.
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And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up
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First from NPR News.
19:57
Trump and his allies call it alligator Alcatraz,
20:00
the immigration detention center in Florida's Everglades.
20:04
Now, people being held there say guards are
20:06
abusive.
20:13
What do officials say about these allegations?
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Also, there's anxiety about where the economy is
20:19
headed, for sure, but the stock market is
20:21
hitting record highs.
20:23
Why?
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Stay with us.
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We'll have the news you need.
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Why?
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Well edited.
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Oh, man.
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They got some expensive editing going on over
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there.
20:35
Well, then here, this is the end of
20:37
the way the show ends.
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Another thing these people make, they make more
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money than typical radio.
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This is upfront NPR credits.
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And that's Up First for July 26, 2025.
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20:53
And I'm Scott Simon.
20:54
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20:57
astute.
20:58
Wait, why is he laughing?
21:01
Is he laughing because it was produced?
21:02
He's laughing because he knows what they're paying.
21:04
Oh, no.
21:06
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21:06
And I'm Scott Simon.
21:07
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21:16
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21:19
They will wipe the floor with you.
21:21
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Susanna Capilouto, Pahlavi Gogoi, Jacob Benston, and Melissa
21:28
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21:29
Maybe they're the fab four.
21:30
It's hard to tell because they're certainly here,
21:33
there, and everywhere.
21:35
Okay, Scott, tell us who else is fab.
21:39
I agree.
21:39
That was a little creepy.
21:40
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21:52
He makes it look easy, but it's not.
21:55
Which is why we have bosses.
21:57
Shannon Rhodes, our acting senior supervising editor.
22:01
She's not just acting, she's commanding.
22:03
Evie Stone, our executive producer, very commanding.
22:06
Jim Kane, our deputy managing editor.
22:08
He's our very own Jean-Luc Picard.
22:11
When he says, make it so, so we
22:14
do it.
22:15
Well, that was very bizarre.
22:17
Did they have to fill time?
22:19
I guess so.
22:20
It's only a half hour show and they
22:21
couldn't fill it, I guess.
22:23
The people producing that show, how many was
22:26
that?
22:26
Fifteen.
22:27
Oh, I counted fourteen.
22:29
Fifteen.
22:31
Fifteen plus the two of them.
22:33
That's a lot of people.
22:35
We have thousands of producers.
22:38
Yes, we do.
22:40
That's why we're better.
22:41
And, dare I say, that's why they call
22:43
us the best podcast in the universe.
22:45
Far better than the top 100 from Time.
22:48
People are so mad about that.
22:51
I can't believe people still care what Time
22:53
Magazine says at all.
22:55
Is it even a magazine anymore, just an
22:57
online website?
22:59
Oh, that's a good question.
23:00
I think it may just be.
23:01
It's a blog.
23:02
It's a sub-stack.
23:03
I think it's a blog.
23:04
It's a blog.
23:06
Yeah.
23:06
Well, everyone, you know, a couple people got
23:09
to go to Scotland.
23:13
So, you know, it's good, I guess.
23:17
Yeah.
23:18
I guess.
23:19
I was looking at one.
23:21
Fox sent Jackie Heinrich, I think is her
23:25
name.
23:26
And it looks like a completely different person.
23:29
Because when she's in the studio or in
23:31
the country, she's got professional makeup.
23:36
And then she has, I guess, when you're
23:38
on the Trump trip, they didn't send a
23:40
makeup artist with her.
23:41
And it's just like, is this the same
23:43
woman?
23:44
Well, yeah, makeup can do a lot.
23:48
Well, since NPR could not stop bringing up
23:51
Epstein, might as well just play the latest,
23:54
which we all pretty much know about by
23:56
now.
23:56
This morning, President Trump is calling the Jeffrey
23:58
Epstein controversy a scam, accusing Democrats of using
24:02
unreleased court records to distract from his political
24:05
success.
24:06
Trump comparing the investigation to the so-called
24:08
Russia hoax, saying, quote, they have gone absolutely
24:11
crazy.
24:12
Adding, as things are revealed, and I hope
24:14
will take place quickly, you will see that
24:16
it is yet another Democrat con job.
24:18
But the pressure to release the files is
24:20
a bipartisan effort, Democrats and Republicans demanding answers.
24:24
I want all the information out.
24:26
Just put everything out.
24:27
Make it as transparent as you can.
24:29
Release the damn files.
24:31
The Justice Department searching for answers of its
24:33
own.
24:33
Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch meeting with Epstein's
24:36
convicted co-conspirator, Galen Maxwell.
24:39
Well, she answered all the questions and answered
24:42
them honestly.
24:43
The closed-door meeting lasted six hours yesterday
24:45
and is expected to resume today.
24:47
Blanch's meeting with the convicted sex trafficker is
24:49
part of the Justice Department's effort to uncover,
24:52
quote, information about anyone who has committed crimes
24:55
against victims.
24:56
Those sources say it was Maxwell who reached
24:58
out to the DOJ to request the meeting.
25:00
She's currently appealing her conviction to the Supreme
25:02
Court.
25:03
There were a lot of questions, and we
25:04
went all day.
25:07
And she answered every one of them.
25:09
She never just said, I'm not going to
25:10
answer, never declined.
25:11
And she answered them all truthfully.
25:14
Oh, Joe, you answered every question.
25:17
Truthfully.
25:18
I had another report.
25:21
This one.
25:22
Yeah, hold on.
25:23
President Trump is spending the weekend at his
25:25
golf resort in Scotland, where he will celebrate
25:28
the opening of a new golf course.
25:30
Next week, he will hold meetings on trade
25:32
with European leaders.
25:34
The trip comes as here at home, Trump
25:36
continues to face questions about Jeffrey Epstein.
25:39
People should really focus on how well the
25:41
country is doing, or they should focus on
25:43
the fact that Barack Hussein Obama led a
25:46
coup.
25:47
In Florida, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch, a
25:49
former Trump criminal defense lawyer, has now conducted
25:52
two closed-door meetings with Epstein's co-conspirator,
25:56
Ghislaine Maxwell, in an effort to quiet criticisms
25:59
the administration is blocking access to.
26:01
How does that even quell criticism?
26:06
I think it only riles it up.
26:08
To quiet criticisms the administration is blocking access
26:12
to the Epstein files.
26:14
Maxwell is serving a 20-year prison term.
26:16
Defense Attorney David Marcus said that she is
26:19
cooperating freely.
26:20
We haven't asked her anything.
26:22
This is not a situation where we're asking
26:24
anything in return for testimony or anything like
26:27
that.
26:28
Yet the media have raised questions.
26:30
I'll play that again.
26:32
Okay.
26:33
Yeah, it's kind of odd the way he
26:35
said that.
26:35
Here we go.
26:36
We haven't asked her anything.
26:38
What do you mean we haven't asked her
26:39
anything?
26:40
I thought he just said they talked to
26:41
her for days on end.
26:42
What I think he's referring to is we
26:44
haven't asked her to do anything like quid
26:47
pro quo.
26:48
Yeah, I understand that's maybe what he meant,
26:51
but that's not what he said.
26:52
Well, listen to the whole sentence.
26:54
Cooperating freely.
26:56
We haven't asked her anything.
26:57
This is not a situation where we're asking
26:59
anything in return for testimony or anything like
27:03
that.
27:03
Yet the media have raised questions.
27:05
Liz Oyer, a former U.S. pardon attorney,
27:08
was fired from the Justice Department in March.
27:11
There's every reason to believe that they are
27:13
seeking to make some sort of deal with
27:15
Maxwell that will help them solve this political
27:18
crisis.
27:19
The president was asked if he is considering
27:21
a pardon for Maxwell.
27:22
A lot of people are asking me about
27:24
pardons.
27:25
Obviously, this is no time to be talking
27:27
about pardons.
27:28
On Friday, a plane flew a banner over
27:30
the courthouse meeting site accusing the president and
27:33
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi of a
27:35
cover-up.
27:36
The president has called the scandal a hoax
27:39
by the Democrats.
27:40
It's a hoax.
27:41
It's a hoax.
27:43
Hoax.
27:43
And so, of course, he keeps telling everybody
27:45
to look at the coup.
27:46
What's the hoax part?
27:48
I don't mind him calling what the Democrats
27:50
are doing a hoax, but what specifically is
27:52
a hoax here?
27:53
Well, from the way I listen and hear
27:56
the president, something in the papers is a
27:59
hoax.
27:59
The papers are a hoax.
28:00
It's a hoax.
28:01
It's the list.
28:01
It's a hoax.
28:02
It's all a hoax.
28:03
I don't know.
28:04
And I don't think we will ever really
28:06
know.
28:08
I did dig up—it's very short, unfortunately—in the
28:13
archives, because the accusation against former President Obama
28:17
is that he led a coup.
28:21
And the way he led that coup, if
28:23
you listen to Tulsi Gabbard's endless yakking— Oh,
28:28
man.
28:29
She's on every show.
28:31
There's that sigh.
28:36
I'll just have an apple.
28:38
Every single show.
28:40
What she's really saying is that the intelligence
28:43
community came with an ICA, an intelligence community
28:48
assessment, and said, well, there's really no there
28:55
there.
28:56
And then President Obama said, you voted wrong.
28:59
Go back and get me another assessment.
29:02
And this was admitted by the Dumbo clapper.
29:05
And this is him back in the day
29:08
on Tapper's show.
29:09
For President Obama, we might not have done
29:12
the intelligence community assessment that we did that
29:15
set off a whole sequence of events which
29:18
are still unfolding today.
29:19
President Obama is responsible for that, and it
29:22
was he who tasked us to do that
29:24
intelligence community assessment in the first place.
29:26
Oh, there's Clapper.
29:28
Oh, that's a clip of the day.
29:29
Give yourself a round of applause for digging
29:32
up a historical clip.
29:35
That was a winner.
29:37
How good is that?
29:39
That's outstanding.
29:40
No one has played that clip.
29:41
That is the best thing we've done for
29:43
weeks.
29:43
Oh, well, we've done other great things.
29:45
We have definitely.
29:46
That's the best right there.
29:47
Oh, come on.
29:48
Your tip of the day about mellow leather
29:50
was good.
29:53
Leather honey.
29:55
Mellow leather.
29:56
Whatever.
29:57
That's a soft drink, I think.
29:59
So there's something that's bothering me about this
30:03
whole thing because they're always going, they're making
30:05
a big fuss about, oh, the intelligence community
30:08
is corrupt, and these guys are, you know,
30:10
they're making a big fuss.
30:12
It seems to me that I don't understand
30:14
why the pundits out there and the people
30:16
doing this analysis don't say what's actually happened.
30:20
The intelligence community, and I'm not here to
30:23
defend them, but they did their job.
30:26
They said there's no collusion going on, and
30:29
it was Brennan who was, yeah, he was
30:31
a part of the intelligence community in a
30:34
certain way, but he was running the agency,
30:36
and he was a political guy, and who
30:38
knows.
30:38
And no one has still ever asked him
30:40
if he's a Muslim or not, which really
30:42
irks me, because if you look up, go
30:44
to all the AI and ask if John
30:46
Brennan is a Muslim.
30:46
No, I'm not going to any AI.
30:47
I'm not going to the AI.
30:49
Go anywhere and try to find out whether
30:51
he's a Muslim.
30:51
You find that there's evidence that he is,
30:54
but they all deny it.
30:55
And no reporter has ever said, hey, just
30:58
to clear up the record, are you a
31:01
Muslim?
31:02
Because they say that when you were in
31:03
Saudi Arabia as a station chief in Riyadh,
31:07
you took the oath to uphold the tenets
31:11
of Islam.
31:13
Yes or no?
31:14
It's not a big deal.
31:15
Just ask him.
31:16
No one's done it.
31:17
But this guy's the one.
31:18
He was the corrupt character there in front
31:21
that was running the agency.
31:22
The field people, the people that were the
31:26
analysts who were doing their job, they kept
31:28
reporting back, no, this is bullcrap.
31:30
Nothing's going on with Russia.
31:32
And they said, well, you better get me
31:33
a report.
31:34
He handpicked a couple of guys that would
31:35
do his bidding.
31:37
You can't blame intelligence community for this.
31:41
Well, I don't think they're any good.
31:44
Well, that's different.
31:47
Dan Bongino posted a shocking, shocking, shocking memo
31:53
on X.
31:53
This is how the headlines advertise it.
31:58
I shall read it for you.
32:00
Shocking.
32:01
I shall read it for you verbatim.
32:03
During my tenure here as the deputy director
32:05
of the FBI.
32:06
This is great.
32:07
Yeah, I'm glad you got this.
32:09
I have repeatedly relayed to you that things
32:11
are happening that might not be immediately visible,
32:14
but they are happening.
32:16
The director and I are committed to stamping
32:18
out public corruption and the political weaponization of
32:21
both law enforcement and intelligence operations.
32:24
It is a priority for us.
32:26
But what I have learned in the course
32:28
of our properly predicated and necessary investigations into
32:32
these aforementioned matters has shocked me down to
32:35
my core.
32:38
We cannot run a republic like this.
32:40
I will never be the same after learning
32:42
what I've learned.
32:44
We are going to conduct these righteous and
32:46
proper investigations by the book.
32:48
That, by the way, is exactly what Susan
32:51
Rice wrote down in her Cover Your Ass
32:53
memo.
32:53
By the book.
32:53
I think that's a callback to that.
32:56
And in accordance with the law, we are
32:58
going to get the answers we all deserve.
33:01
As with any investigation, I cannot predict where
33:03
it will land, but I can promise you
33:05
an honest and dignified effort at truth.
33:07
Not my truth or your truth, but the
33:10
truth.
33:10
God bless America and all those who defend
33:15
her.
33:16
Code Bongino.
33:21
What is that?
33:23
That was nuts.
33:25
I saw that.
33:25
That's not so great.
33:27
All caps, by the way.
33:28
Oh, yeah.
33:28
A lot of all caps in there.
33:32
I think he's getting a lot of pressure.
33:35
You think?
33:37
And to go back to podcasting, go back
33:39
to podcasting where you belong kind of thing,
33:42
where he was doing very well.
33:44
He was great.
33:45
Code Bongino.
33:46
Everyone knows it.
33:47
It still gives you a discount on many
33:49
websites.
33:50
And I, as of a month or so
33:52
ago, thought that that's where his head at.
33:54
He was headed back to the biz.
33:58
But I think this may be his rationale,
34:00
his rationale to stick around and be a
34:03
desk jockey, which is what he is.
34:05
So Mike Baker was on Joe's show.
34:10
You know, Mike Baker, a quote, former CIA
34:14
operative.
34:16
Mike Baker is to me, because he took
34:19
over that job.
34:22
Presidential Daily Briefing.
34:24
Yeah.
34:24
And it's lame by comparison to what it
34:27
was originally with the other guy.
34:29
Why did he take over?
34:31
What is that about?
34:31
Because the other guy, there's something, I had
34:34
to go back to my notes to figure
34:36
out why the other guy quit.
34:37
I know what it is.
34:38
He said, hey, give me that.
34:38
Give me that thing.
34:39
Give me that briefing thing.
34:41
What's that in your mouth?
34:43
No, I don't think that was it.
34:44
The other guy was being, it's owned by
34:46
some other guys.
34:47
It's like one of these operations.
34:50
It's like Beck or somebody owns it.
34:52
Not Beck, but somebody like Beck.
34:55
And I think Mike Baker is central casting
34:58
more than he is a spook.
34:59
He just looks the part.
35:03
He looks like Pierce Brosnan.
35:06
He's got a look to him that is
35:08
just like, oh, okay, I'm a spy.
35:11
What are those other two guys?
35:14
What's his name?
35:15
The guy with the big braids, the big
35:19
poofy hair.
35:22
He is a former, what is his name?
35:28
Everydayspy.com.
35:30
Andrew Bustamante.
35:32
Oh, yeah, Bustamante.
35:34
That guy, I don't know.
35:35
F and G right there, fake and gay,
35:38
G-H-E-Y.
35:40
And he was talking to another guy with
35:41
the same hair.
35:44
It's a hair club for men.
35:46
It totally is some kind of hair club
35:48
for men.
35:50
Anyway, so Mike Baker is on Joe's show.
35:53
I get to say Joe.
35:55
Joe, my buddy.
35:57
Joe, Joe.
35:58
You haven't gotten to Joey yet.
36:01
Oh, no, no, no.
36:02
There's no Joey in Joe.
36:04
We don't do that.
36:07
And so that's, of course, and Joe has
36:09
him on for obvious reasons.
36:10
It's the perfect time for that, for Baker
36:13
to come on because, you know, we all
36:15
trust Baker.
36:17
But Baker made an interesting point.
36:19
The reality is in terms of recruiting an
36:21
asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is
36:25
tough.
36:26
That window starts closing immediately in terms of
36:30
their operational usefulness because there's a lot of
36:34
issues there.
36:36
When someone says right like that all the
36:39
time, that just means bull crap to me,
36:42
right?
36:42
Right, right, right, like any Silicon Valley guy.
36:45
This is really the future, right?
36:47
This is really going to change the whole
36:48
world, right?
36:49
That window starts closing immediately, right, in terms
36:52
of their operational usefulness because there's a lot
36:56
of issues there, right?
36:58
You're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation.
37:01
At some point, that's going to go south
37:03
on you, right?
37:04
It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological
37:07
reasons, right, or even something as straightforward as
37:10
like they need the money because their kid's
37:11
sick or whatever it may be.
37:13
So blackmail is like, but having said that,
37:14
look, the Russians in particular love that, right?
37:18
Okay, so I didn't even realize how many
37:21
times he says right, which is now annoying
37:24
me to no end.
37:26
It should.
37:26
Oh, it's really bad.
37:28
But what he does here is he –
37:31
and this feels a bit like a setup
37:33
to me.
37:34
And I think that there's some validity to
37:38
that, that to turn someone to become an
37:42
asset with blackmail may indeed not be a
37:46
very secure way.
37:47
It may be a great way to get
37:48
someone to change their vote.
37:50
To vote a certain way.
37:52
To vote a certain way.
37:53
And I don't know if we're really talking
37:55
about turning people into assets, right?
37:58
But he brings up Russia at least five
38:01
times, and I think it was subliminal, right?
38:04
But having said that, look, the Russians in
38:06
particular love that, right?
38:08
And Chinese intel, they'll do whatever works from
38:13
their perspective.
38:15
You know, the agency – again, people are
38:17
going to say that's bullshit.
38:18
The agency tries – the blackmail is –
38:22
I've got to dissect this guy now.
38:25
Why would he say people are going to
38:26
say that's bullshit?
38:27
I didn't think that.
38:28
Did you think that right away?
38:30
No.
38:31
And why do you stutter, Stan?
38:33
They – he's like all – he's wound
38:36
up.
38:36
Yes, he is.
38:37
Oh, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.
38:42
You know, the agency – again, people are
38:44
going to say that's bullshit.
38:45
The agency tries – the blackmail is never
38:49
really ever on the table as an option
38:51
because it always leads to a problem.
38:54
And sometimes those problems can be very, very
38:58
bad.
38:59
And what do you mean by this?
39:00
Well, you know, the asset will turn on
39:02
you, right?
39:02
The next thing they know, you know, you've
39:05
got an agent working now, a double agent
39:07
working for the other side, right?
39:09
Because they're just so fucked over by the
39:11
fact that they've been blackmailed.
39:13
And at some point they lose their shit
39:14
and decide to roll for the other side.
39:17
But aren't you, like, constantly monitoring them and
39:19
looking at their phone?
39:21
There's only so much you can do, right,
39:23
in terms of maintaining – particularly with a
39:27
hard target, particularly with an asset who's in
39:30
a difficult or challenging environment, you know, and
39:33
you've got limited access to them, whatever it
39:35
may be.
39:35
So you're really relying on clandestine communications.
39:38
You don't have a lot of face-to
39:39
-face meetings.
39:41
And at some point you never know when
39:42
things are heading south, right?
39:43
And then the next thing you know, look
39:45
– so that's the operational reason for trying
39:49
to avoid blackmail, right?
39:51
Has it ever been done?
39:52
Well, sure, yeah.
39:53
I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been
39:54
done.
39:55
Of course.
39:55
But some services go to it much quicker
39:58
than others do.
40:00
Which services?
40:00
Well, again, the Russians are primary users of
40:03
something like that.
40:04
Because they've got a shotgun approach.
40:06
Israelis have been known to do that in
40:08
the honeypot operations that they'll do and other
40:10
things.
40:10
But the Russians throw a lot of shit
40:11
at the wall and see what sticks, right?
40:13
It's very much a shotgun approach.
40:16
I don't know.
40:17
He said Russia too much for my liking.
40:20
He said right too much for my liking.
40:22
He's stammering.
40:23
Now, it's possible that he's – I mean,
40:27
when you hear a guy present like that,
40:31
he might still be working for the CIA
40:34
or someone because he seems to be –
40:37
I think that pattern of that style is
40:39
that you're constantly worried that you're going to
40:41
say something you shouldn't say.
40:44
And I think that's what accounts for the
40:45
stammering, which is a way of stalling without
40:49
slowing down because he can't seem to slow
40:51
down.
40:51
He's all jacked up on something.
40:54
So it was basically a meaningless discussion.
40:58
Right.
40:59
Right.
41:02
And the coincidence of him – We learned
41:04
nothing.
41:05
We learned nothing from that discussion except that
41:07
maybe blackmail is not the way to go.
41:09
And I'm thinking it was probably a reasonable
41:12
point.
41:12
Who's been blackmailed?
41:13
Has he been blackmailed?
41:14
Someone's been blackmailed in this process.
41:17
Someone's being blackholed somewhere.
41:19
I mean blackmailed.
41:21
Mistake with cornhole.
41:23
Yeah.
41:24
The whole thing is – I don't know.
41:28
I don't know.
41:28
I don't know if we'll ever know.
41:29
It's all so disappointing.
41:31
That's just the bottom line.
41:33
That's the name of the game.
41:34
It's disappointing.
41:35
It's just disappointing.
41:36
I was talking to Tina about that.
41:39
It's like 17 and a half years, seven
41:42
years before I even knew you.
41:44
I was all in on this stuff.
41:46
This is going to be great.
41:47
We're going to learn so much.
41:48
It's all going to come out in the
41:49
wash.
41:50
Nothing ever.
41:51
Ever.
41:53
And really the biggest psyop that's been going
41:57
on since I'd say 2019, which is still
42:05
going on today, is XRP.
42:08
Ripple.
42:09
XRP.
42:10
Do you – I mean you may not
42:12
recall, but I think I brought it up
42:13
on the show.
42:14
Probably jokingly even at the time.
42:16
Like, look, I know a guy.
42:18
He's involved with all this money, and the
42:20
money is all going into XRP.
42:22
They have quantum networks.
42:24
They have off-world servers.
42:26
Oh, yeah.
42:27
Off-world servers.
42:28
Off-world servers.
42:29
That's my favorite.
42:29
Yeah.
42:31
They're on the moon.
42:32
And to this day, people are still –
42:33
Oh, no.
42:34
XRP is going to 1,000.
42:39
And that has been around so long.
42:41
It's all these kinds of things.
42:43
But it's quantum finances.
42:46
You don't understand.
42:47
This is the stuff you don't get.
42:48
Okay?
42:49
Quantum finances.
42:50
Yeah.
42:51
The term you don't get it was very
42:54
prevalent in the late 90s.
42:57
With what?
42:58
Under what circumstance?
43:01
The new economy.
43:03
Oh, the new economy.
43:06
Yes.
43:06
You don't get it, man.
43:08
This is the new economy, okay?
43:10
This is a whole new thing.
43:11
I was doing the show Silicon Spin, and
43:13
these guys would come on, and they were
43:15
intelligent CEOs.
43:17
And they had these crackpot ideas, and they
43:19
were going on and on.
43:20
And I would say – and I'd be
43:22
questioning them as best I could.
43:24
And they said, well, you just don't get
43:26
it because it's the new economy.
43:27
Yeah.
43:28
If things are going to change – Clicks
43:29
and mortar, man.
43:29
Clicks and mortar.
43:30
Clicks and – Ah!
43:32
Clicks and mortar.
43:33
I forgot about that one.
43:35
What other buzzwords did we have back in
43:38
the day?
43:38
Oh, I did a whole column of them.
43:40
I have to go dig.
43:41
I should dig it up.
43:42
It's from the late 90s, and it has
43:44
like 100 of them.
43:45
And there was just one after the other.
43:47
They had nothing.
43:48
It was buzzword – it was the buzzword
43:50
bonanza of the late 90s.
43:52
It was fabulous.
43:55
Yeah.
43:55
So I got to – just you want
43:57
to take a – Sorry.
43:59
Walk down an interesting topic.
44:02
Okay.
44:04
This is about the post office.
44:06
I have some post office clips, but I
44:07
want to start it off with an Ask
44:09
Adam.
44:10
Another thing I was completely unprepared for.
44:13
Okay.
44:15
I got you on your heels.
44:17
Yeah.
44:18
Vivek.
44:19
Here it is.
44:20
All right.
44:20
Okay.
44:21
I'm ready now.
44:23
Ask Adam.
44:24
Answer the question.
44:25
Go.
44:26
All right.
44:28
Okay.
44:29
First play the Ask Adam question, and I'll
44:31
ask you the question.
44:32
On this day 250 years ago, the Continental
44:35
Congress appointed the first postmaster general of the
44:37
United States.
44:38
Okay.
44:39
250 years ago.
44:41
Who was it?
44:42
The first – Yep.
44:43
Paul Revere.
44:45
Nice try.
44:47
Let me think.
44:48
The first postmaster general.
44:50
Don't look it up.
44:50
No, I'm not looking it up.
44:52
Who do you take me for?
44:54
Right?
44:55
Right.
44:57
Because it seems like it's probably going to
44:59
be something very obvious.
45:00
250 years ago, so that was before the
45:04
declaration of – before the – Yeah, I
45:07
was right about the same time.
45:08
As the declaration.
45:09
I have no idea.
45:11
I presume you have it in the answer.
45:13
Yep.
45:14
On this day 250 years ago, the Continental
45:16
Congress appointed the first postmaster general of the
45:19
United States, Benjamin Franklin.
45:21
Ah, somehow I could have known that.
45:24
I don't know how because I could have
45:26
known it too because when I heard it,
45:28
that's why I came with the Ask Adam.
45:29
It feels so logical.
45:31
For some reason it feels logical.
45:33
There's some logic to it, but then there's
45:35
some illogic to it.
45:36
I was kind of taking it back enough
45:38
to put that up.
45:41
So just to embarrass you, so that you
45:43
don't know anything.
45:44
And the thing is, I don't feel embarrassed
45:46
at all.
45:46
So fail.
45:47
It's funny.
45:48
Absolutely fail.
45:49
It's funny how that works.
45:51
I did not at all feel embarrassed.
45:54
All right.
45:55
So post office.
45:56
Post office now is – because Trump is
45:58
a problem with the post office.
46:00
Why is he a problem with the post
46:02
office?
46:02
He wants to privatize it and this is
46:04
no good.
46:05
No, no, no.
46:06
I mean don't you have to change the
46:08
constitution?
46:10
You basically have to change the constitution.
46:13
But it's just – there's workarounds and they're
46:16
thinking about them and it's just like, no,
46:18
don't mess with it.
46:19
The post office is fine.
46:21
But let's play these clips.
46:22
There's three clips here that kind of give
46:24
us what's going on currently.
46:25
David Steiner is the latest person.
46:28
Is Scott – is he on the vacation
46:31
shift or the summer shift?
46:32
These are Saturday clips.
46:34
He's on Saturday.
46:35
He runs Saturday.
46:36
We have not heard him for weeks and
46:37
here he is in two series.
46:40
David Steiner is the latest person to hold
46:43
the office.
46:43
He is the 77th postmaster general.
46:46
Before taking office last week, he served on
46:48
the board of FedEx.
46:50
Personal detail that reignites some worries about postal
46:54
reforms that some fear could limit or end
46:56
rural mail service.
46:58
The Midwest Newsroom's Nick Loomis has more on
47:01
that and a note, USPS is a financial
47:04
supporter of NPR.
47:06
Gwen Smith walks from her front door to
47:07
her mailbox and back six days a week.
47:09
It's about a quarter mile.
47:11
I would say it's a relatively short trip
47:12
to the mailbox for us rural folks.
47:15
She lives outside Scotts Bluff, Nebraska with her
47:17
husband, Alan, who is recovering from surgery for
47:20
liver cancer.
47:21
He also suffers from diabetes, arthritis and the
47:24
lingering effects of West Nile virus.
47:26
The former Navy corpsman gets most of his
47:28
medications through the mail from Veterans Affairs.
47:36
Former Postmaster General Louis DeJoy curtailed rural mail
47:39
service with his Delivering for America plan, which
47:42
he introduced in 2021 to stem annual losses
47:45
in the billions.
47:47
Still, the deficits persist and mail delivery is
47:49
slower due to a reduction in work hours,
47:52
collection time changes and the consolidation of processing
47:55
facilities.
47:56
Alan Smith worries about those changes and cuts
47:59
made to many other government programs.
48:01
It feels to me like it's coming at
48:03
me right and left.
48:04
They're trying to destroy everything that supports me
48:07
staying alive and functioning.
48:09
President Trump has suggested privatizing the postal service
48:12
in both of his terms.
48:13
Most recently, he has said it could be
48:15
brought under the Department of Commerce.
48:17
Congress set up the agency to be independent
48:19
of the White House in 1971 and undoing
48:22
that would require further legislation.
48:25
Even though this Congress has mostly adhered to
48:27
Trump's agenda, the postal service is a touchy
48:29
political subject for lawmakers from rural states, like
48:32
Republican Congressman Mike Flood of Nebraska.
48:35
Can it be modernized?
48:36
Absolutely.
48:37
Should it be privatized?
48:39
I'd have to be sold on what the
48:41
plan was before we went anywhere near that
48:43
because I know people in rural Nebraska rely
48:45
on the postal service in its current form.
48:47
And currently, the postal service self-finances and
48:50
generally does not count on tax dollars to
48:52
fill its budget gaps.
48:54
I don't really understand why the postal service
48:58
is always under fire.
49:00
It says it self-finances.
49:02
They're not even using taxpayer money when I
49:05
heard that part of it, besides the other
49:07
parts of that crazy clip.
49:09
I'm thinking, why not?
49:11
I mean, the government costs us money.
49:13
We all know it.
49:14
Everything costs money.
49:15
And they're throwing money away on USAID for
49:18
gay sex in Guatemala and they can't pay
49:22
for the post office's deficit?
49:25
It makes no sense to me.
49:27
Gay sex in Guatemala.
49:28
Was that really a line item in USAID?
49:31
I think it was, yeah.
49:32
I'll have to check Doge.
49:34
Yeah, it just seems like the only thing
49:38
it can be is somebody wants to give
49:40
somebody a penny by privatizing, i.e. giving
49:44
it to some other company.
49:45
That's what it's all about.
49:47
There's some scam afoot.
49:48
And that's what's happened all over Europe.
49:52
DHL has taken over a lot of the
49:54
postal services around the world, actually.
49:59
Oh, they can do it much more efficiently.
50:01
They can't.
50:02
What makes them more efficient?
50:03
Nothing.
50:04
They just charge more.
50:05
Do you see what it costs to send
50:07
something with FedEx?
50:09
Oh, the FedEx is out of control.
50:10
What used to be like, I think it
50:12
was $6, $8, the letters, which was still
50:16
pricey.
50:17
It's like $25.
50:19
Yeah, just for afternoon delivery.
50:22
Yeah, it's no good.
50:23
All right, post office 2.
50:25
Elena Patel of the Brookings Institution says it
50:27
might be time to reconsider that because it
50:29
provides a public service.
50:30
Yeah, bring in a think tank.
50:31
Okay.
50:32
We should be willing to compensate the postal
50:34
service for doing that, and we do not
50:35
currently.
50:36
We don't come close to offsetting the costs
50:38
of the USO for the postal service.
50:58
I think that people in the administration think
51:00
this is the right thing to do.
51:01
I'm not sure that the American people or
51:03
American business owners think that.
51:08
In February, Wells Fargo wrote a report outlining,
51:11
among other things, how mail and parcel delivery
51:14
could be divvied up among the government and
51:15
private companies like FedEx and UPS.
51:18
A Wells Fargo spokesperson said in a statement
51:21
that it was not recommending privatization.
51:23
However, the American Postal Workers Union thought the
51:26
report was controversial enough to release an ad
51:28
about it.
51:28
This is the Wall Street memo that the
51:31
White House doesn't want you to see.
51:33
A path to privatization of the post office.
51:36
Union President Mark Dimenstein says the timing of
51:39
the ad coincides with the 250th anniversary of
51:42
the postal service and the arrival of the
51:43
new postmaster general, David Steiner, whose appointment was
51:47
backed by Trump, as reported by the Washington
51:49
Post.
51:49
It's the old saying, you know, the fox
51:51
guarding the henhouse.
51:53
Steiner left the board of FedEx to take
51:54
the job, but a Securities and Exchange Commission
51:57
filing shows he retained company stock worth millions.
52:00
Oh, no!
52:03
Scoundrel!
52:04
He's going to sell the stock, but it's
52:06
beside the point.
52:07
That's bullcrap, you know.
52:09
I've always argued this, you know, if you
52:11
worry, I worked for an oil refinery and
52:13
then I worked for the air pollution district
52:14
inspecting refineries.
52:16
And all it meant was that I now
52:18
was on the other side of the fence
52:19
and I knew a lot.
52:21
So, I mean, I knew more than someone
52:23
who's never worked at a refinery.
52:25
It's a benefit.
52:26
It was better.
52:26
What was the original, back in Ben's days,
52:30
what was the original charter of the postal
52:33
service?
52:35
What was the idea?
52:37
The idea was it was important to have
52:40
a society that had communications that was kind
52:45
of franchised by the government.
52:47
So, everyone was assured that if you had
52:50
to get a hold of somebody or send
52:51
somebody something or mail obligations or whatever, it
52:55
was for communications purposes.
52:58
Thank you.
52:59
No, thank you.
53:00
This is good.
53:00
It wasn't about your Amazon packages.
53:03
It wasn't about your beef box.
53:06
It wasn't even about your phone book.
53:09
Remember those?
53:11
It was really about a private communications service.
53:15
And that's why there's...
53:16
That would benefit the country.
53:17
And that's why there's such heavy regulation on
53:19
tampering with the U.S. mail.
53:21
You can't go opening up people's envelopes.
53:24
Right.
53:25
It's illegal.
53:25
It's illegal.
53:27
And they'd love to get rid of that.
53:29
Well, what if the U.S., and this
53:33
is what I would be all for this.
53:35
What if the U.S. Postal Service modernized,
53:39
give all the packages to FedEx and Amazon
53:43
and UPS and whatever.
53:44
It's fine.
53:46
Figure that out.
53:48
Because actually, I think the returns probably kill
53:50
everybody.
53:51
But what if the U.S. Postal Service
53:54
ran an email service that was...
53:59
And they made it easy for everybody to
54:01
encrypt their messages on their side.
54:05
So, none of this like, oh, don't worry,
54:07
we'll encrypt it in the cloud.
54:08
None of that.
54:09
Just encrypt it on your side.
54:14
And once someone has...
54:16
If I want to send you an email,
54:18
I have to have your public key.
54:20
They could provide that directory service.
54:22
So, you can easily find someone's public key.
54:25
And then you can receive it.
54:26
And we can have true, secure communications.
54:30
And at the same time, with the brand
54:33
new stablecoin, they charge a very nominal fee
54:38
for sending a message to someone.
54:42
Which would do two things.
54:43
One, it would, in theory, provide a real
54:47
secure communication service.
54:50
And this can be done.
54:51
I believe that it can be done without
54:53
the government still spying on you.
54:56
And two...
54:56
The government wants to spy on you, but
54:58
continue.
54:59
And two, it would reduce spam, because spam
55:03
would then become unprofitable.
55:06
And even if it was just for bull
55:08
crap, I would love to have an email
55:11
box that works with...
55:13
So, if I send 100 emails, I might
55:15
wind up spending 10 cents.
55:18
It's fractional.
55:19
It's digital.
55:20
So, you can take your stablecoin, and you
55:22
can break it down into little stablecoinlets, or
55:25
whatever we're going to call it.
55:26
Pennies.
55:28
Less than pennies.
55:29
It has to be less than pennies.
55:31
Well, a stablecoin is supposed to represent a
55:33
dollar.
55:33
Yeah, but a fraction.
55:36
Well, that would be like representing a penny.
55:39
Okay, boomer.
55:40
Is it going to get smaller than that?
55:42
Is that what you're saying?
55:43
Half a penny?
55:43
Yes.
55:44
How about a hundredth of a penny?
55:45
Of course.
55:46
That's the whole beauty of digital money.
55:50
And that way, at least we could have
55:52
a functioning email system, which would be reasonably
55:56
secured.
55:58
At least the only one who could be
55:59
spying on you is the government.
56:01
Google is worse.
56:03
You won't get advertisements through it.
56:05
I'm just thinking that would be a great
56:07
way to replace the U.S. postal system.
56:11
Get it off our books.
56:12
Get all the other stuff.
56:15
Don't privatize it.
56:16
Just, here, we're not doing it anymore.
56:18
You guys, by the way, you'll see them
56:19
all go, Oh, what?
56:21
We don't get government contract?
56:23
No, you got to do it yourself.
56:25
I would be all for that.
56:27
I think that would revolutionize interpersonal communications.
56:31
Yeah, it would, but it's not going to
56:33
happen.
56:33
The FBI would be against it.
56:34
Everybody would be against it.
56:37
Who runs this country?
56:39
The people or the FBI?
56:46
It ain't the people.
56:49
All right.
56:49
Well, I think it's a platform I could
56:51
run on.
56:52
You could.
56:53
I mean, I think it'd pay up to
56:54
a penny.
56:56
Well, that'd be fine.
56:58
I'd pay a penny a message if I
57:00
knew it was going to get through instead
57:01
of getting blocked and spammed and thrown into
57:04
junk mail like the newsletter is.
57:06
Hold on.
57:06
Let me ask you the question.
57:07
So, if it's a penny, which is what
57:09
you are advocating for, instead of my fraction
57:12
of a penny, and you're sending out 30
57:14
,000 newsletters, how much will that cost you
57:18
per newsletter?
57:19
A penny a newsletter.
57:21
No, per person a penny.
57:23
Yeah.
57:24
Yeah.
57:25
So, how many dollars is that?
57:26
$300?
57:26
$300.
57:32
It'd be $100.
57:34
No, it'd be $30.
57:35
No.
57:36
No.
57:36
It would be $300.
57:37
It'd be $300.
57:39
Yeah.
57:39
Do you still like your penny, or do
57:41
you like my fraction of a penny idea
57:42
better?
57:44
Well, for $300, if I could, well, I
57:49
would actually say for $300, it'd be worth
57:51
it to get the rate doubled.
57:55
Uh-huh.
57:56
So, we'd bring in twice as much in
57:59
donations.
57:59
It would be worth the $300 easy.
58:01
There you go.
58:03
I've proven my point.
58:05
No, you haven't.
58:06
I've proven something.
58:08
You wouldn't have to pay MailChimp.
58:11
You could just have your own email server.
58:14
MailChimp costs us at least, what, $100 a
58:16
month at least?
58:17
Try $400.
58:19
Holy mackerel.
58:20
$400 a month for MailChimp?
58:23
Yeah.
58:24
And you know why?
58:24
It's because they have to pay the whitelisting
58:26
services so you can even get through to
58:28
Gmail and Yahoo and AOL or whatever else
58:32
is out there.
58:34
AOL.
58:36
Prodigy.
58:37
So, you can get their prodigy mail.
58:39
CompuServe.
58:41
Yeah.
58:41
Anyway, that was just an idea.
58:45
Just a free idea from Adam for the
58:47
government to fix everything, to stop this nonsense
58:51
and get Scott Simon back to drinking margaritas
58:55
on the weekend.
58:57
Clip number three.
58:58
The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told
59:00
NPR that Steiner is in the process of
59:02
divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
59:05
And in his first message to postal workers,
59:08
Steiner tried to— Wait, stop, stop, stop.
59:10
Why did he have to say, quote?
59:14
I don't know.
59:15
It's what you do.
59:16
He's going to divest from, quote, prohibited stocks.
59:20
Why did he just say they have to
59:21
divest from prohibited stocks?
59:24
There's no reason for him to say, quote.
59:25
Is it like some sort of a—it's like
59:27
air quotes and he's like, oh, prohibited is
59:30
bullcrap.
59:30
It's a scam.
59:32
That's what it implies.
59:33
Maybe the guy said it that way.
59:36
That's the way I took it.
59:38
Let's listen again.
59:38
I don't think so.
59:40
Let's listen again.
59:41
The Postal Service Board of Governors chairwoman told
59:43
NPR that Steiner is in the process of
59:45
divesting from, quote, prohibited stocks.
59:48
And in his first message to postal workers,
59:51
Steiner tried to dispel rumors about the changes
59:53
he would bring.
59:54
First, I do not believe the Postal Service
59:56
should be privatized or that it should become
59:58
an appropriated part of the federal government.
1:00:00
Postal unions say they welcome the statement, but
1:00:02
we'll be watching Steiner's actions.
1:00:05
Rural customers will likely do the same.
1:00:07
For NPR News, I'm Nick Loomis in Lincoln,
1:00:09
Nebraska.
1:00:10
I'm thinking— Hold on.
1:00:11
So the whole story was bogus.
1:00:12
Yes, of course it was.
1:00:14
It starts with a bunch of stuff and
1:00:15
then it ends with the guy saying, no,
1:00:17
that's not going to happen.
1:00:18
Why are you even doing the story is
1:00:20
what he should have finished with.
1:00:21
Because they got a $400,000-a-year
1:00:24
guy sitting on his butt drinking margaritas on
1:00:26
the weekend.
1:00:27
They got to get Scott Simon out to
1:00:28
do some work.
1:00:31
Unbelievable.
1:00:32
I think I should lobby to be the
1:00:35
next postmaster general.
1:00:36
It would be so easy.
1:00:38
Shut it down.
1:00:41
You can take all of our employees.
1:00:42
They're good employees.
1:00:44
They're good guys.
1:00:45
Good guys and good gals.
1:00:47
Actually, I'd say 99% of them are.
1:00:50
I agree.
1:00:50
Oh, definitely.
1:00:51
I love our mail carrier.
1:00:53
They're fantastic people.
1:00:54
I like the people at the post office.
1:00:56
They're very friendly.
1:00:57
Not all, but most of them.
1:00:58
They are here.
1:00:59
Not all.
1:00:59
There's always one.
1:01:00
We used to have a post office.
1:01:02
Wait for it.
1:01:03
Wait for it.
1:01:04
I would be the podmaster general.
1:01:08
Okay.
1:01:15
I'm going to skip that story.
1:01:18
Let's do what else we got here.
1:01:21
Oh, here's an interesting thing.
1:01:22
Since I got most of these NPR clips,
1:01:24
you have to listen to this NPR beeped.
1:01:26
This is a very short clip, and I'm
1:01:28
scratching my head over this one.
1:01:31
Okay.
1:01:32
A quick warning.
1:01:33
There are curse words that are un-beeped
1:01:34
in today's episode of the show.
1:01:36
If you prefer a beeped version, you can
1:01:38
find that at our website.
1:01:40
Thisamericanlife.org.
1:01:44
What?
1:01:45
Beeps.
1:01:45
Well, this must be the podcast.
1:01:47
This wasn't over the air, I presume.
1:01:49
They do not.
1:01:49
It was taken off the internet, but it
1:01:51
was on a website that streams the over
1:01:53
-the-air feed.
1:01:57
Well.
1:01:58
But I guess they never played that show
1:02:01
anyway, so I couldn't tell if they were
1:02:02
cussing or not.
1:02:03
And what did they bleep, and why?
1:02:06
Well, why didn't you investigate?
1:02:07
Why didn't you do a deep dive?
1:02:08
A deep dive.
1:02:08
I thought that was good enough right there.
1:02:11
Deep dive.
1:02:11
I did all the work I felt like
1:02:12
doing.
1:02:13
Are you trying to just get as many
1:02:14
NPR clips as possible before they fold?
1:02:19
It's all going to go away.
1:02:21
It's all going to go away.
1:02:22
It's not going to go away because here,
1:02:24
you stuck me on this.
1:02:27
NPR new donation ad, it's not going to
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go away with ads like this.
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That means decades of bipartisan support for public
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To be clear, NPR isn't going anywhere, but
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we do need your support.
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You can make your gift at donate.npr
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.org, and thank you.
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Thank you.
1:02:56
Yes.
1:02:57
That's a horrible ask.
1:02:58
They brand these ads, I'd say half of
1:03:01
the programming now are these ads.
1:03:03
It's a horrible ask.
1:03:04
It's not a way to ask.
1:03:04
It's no good.
1:03:06
It's no good.
1:03:10
All right.
1:03:12
Ball's in your court.
1:03:14
Okay.
1:03:16
Well, in that case, I'll go to my
1:03:19
favorite topic.
1:03:22
We know that there's already a pivot to
1:03:24
quantum computing because- Oh, God, you're not
1:03:27
going to go there.
1:03:28
Oh, I'm sorry.
1:03:29
Let's do more NPR.
1:03:31
No, you can go to quantum, but you're
1:03:34
going to hear a lot of moaning and
1:03:35
groaning.
1:03:36
Okay.
1:03:36
Well, this is only about the facts.
1:03:38
Another heat wave this week as ComEd customers
1:03:41
in the Chicago area bear not only rising
1:03:44
temperatures, but sky-high electric bills, some reporting
1:03:48
paying double what they were billed last month.
1:03:51
On June 1st, a supply rate increase took
1:03:53
effect due to a spike in the wholesale
1:03:55
cost of electricity and supply charge, as well
1:03:59
as increased energy use in the region.
1:04:01
One reason for that increase?
1:04:03
We're also seeing nationally, but also in Illinois,
1:04:07
the effect of increasing demand on the grid
1:04:09
from technologies that have nothing to do with
1:04:11
cooling people off.
1:04:12
It has to do with providing services related
1:04:15
to artificial intelligence or AI, so data centers
1:04:18
that we see building out across the nation.
1:04:21
We are not going to be operating quantum
1:04:23
computers, at least not yet.
1:04:26
We're going to be delivering power to them.
1:04:29
Just yesterday, the CEO of ComEd spoke at
1:04:32
the Global Quantum Forum in Illinois, referencing the
1:04:35
future demand of electricity at the Illinois Quantum
1:04:38
Microelectronics Park.
1:04:40
Quantum computers need to be kept at temperatures
1:04:44
near absolute zero to ensure the stability of
1:04:48
qubits.
1:04:49
Qubits!
1:04:50
We have to ensure the stability of the
1:04:53
qubits!
1:04:54
Turn off your air conditioners!
1:04:55
Temperatures near absolute zero to ensure the stability
1:04:59
of qubits.
1:05:01
That requires a lot of electricity.
1:05:04
Oh, please.
1:05:05
In fact, ComEd's nation-leading reliability was a
1:05:09
key factor in PsiQuantum's decision to be the
1:05:13
anchor tenant of the Illinois Quantum and Microelectronics
1:05:17
Park.
1:05:18
This is the dumb—this shows you how dumb
1:05:22
they are in some parts of this country.
1:05:24
This is Chicago.
1:05:25
This is Darin's backyard.
1:05:27
Yeah.
1:05:28
But this is happening everywhere.
1:05:31
A couple of points.
1:05:32
One, you think that maybe the grid is
1:05:34
being taxed by electrical vehicles that are constantly
1:05:38
hooked to it, sucking energy off to fill
1:05:40
their tanks?
1:05:41
No, it's got nothing to do with it.
1:05:43
Also, quantum computing, if it could ever be
1:05:46
shown to work, as opposed to faked, it
1:05:51
uses like one quintillion as much—it could do
1:05:57
one quintillion more than a regular computer.
1:06:01
So thus, overall, it should require one quintillion
1:06:04
less in terms of power.
1:06:07
It seems to me it should use like
1:06:10
a nine-volt battery should keep it going
1:06:13
for all the work it can do.
1:06:14
You are talking against the narrative of Silicon
1:06:17
Valley, my friend.
1:06:18
This is not how—that's how technology used to
1:06:21
work.
1:06:22
Today, if you want it to do more,
1:06:24
you've got to pay more.
1:06:25
It's got to be more expensive, got to
1:06:26
suck more power.
1:06:28
So the basic old school of Silicon Valley
1:06:31
was things got cheaper and faster and cheaper
1:06:36
and faster and smaller.
1:06:38
Smaller, cheaper, faster.
1:06:39
Every generation was smaller.
1:06:41
It was cheaper.
1:06:42
It was faster.
1:06:44
But now?
1:06:45
Well, I think Apple showed us that that's
1:06:47
not the way.
1:06:48
Every new iPhone is more expensive, ruins your
1:06:53
battery quicker, and you've got to upgrade sooner.
1:06:57
They flipped the script on this.
1:07:00
I know.
1:07:01
I mean, I'm with you, obviously.
1:07:03
I mean, I still have a TRS-100
1:07:05
that runs on two AA's.
1:07:08
TRS-100.
1:07:09
The TRS-100.
1:07:10
Yeah, those things that didn't use much juice.
1:07:12
Well, it only had an eight-line LCD
1:07:15
display, but man, it could do basic.
1:07:19
I've actually been doing some deep dives.
1:07:23
Oh, God.
1:07:25
There is a resurgence—are you ready for this?
1:07:29
Because— I'm already sensing what you're going to
1:07:31
say.
1:07:31
Okay, tell me.
1:07:33
A resurgence in old junk.
1:07:35
No.
1:07:36
People are finding old TRS-8100s and they're
1:07:40
repurposing them.
1:07:41
If only.
1:07:42
No, I want to run Linux.
1:07:43
I want to run Ubuntu on my TRS
1:07:45
-100.
1:07:46
Actually, that's what I would think.
1:07:48
People want to run Ubuntu on a TRS
1:07:51
-100.
1:07:53
No.
1:07:55
Okay.
1:07:56
There's, you know, AI—let's just call it AI—large
1:08:02
language models.
1:08:03
It turns out that it's pretty much the
1:08:07
same basic principles going back to 1958 when
1:08:14
a guy named John McCarthy invented—take it away,
1:08:17
John.
1:08:20
I don't know what—well, John McCarthy—there's two schools—before
1:08:23
you go on to this, I'm going to
1:08:26
say this one thing, and I know what
1:08:29
you're doing.
1:08:30
But John McCarthy was on the wrong side
1:08:33
of history.
1:08:33
There were two schools of thought when it
1:08:36
came to AI.
1:08:37
And every time the John McCarthy side had
1:08:41
its moment, which was including the 80s, they
1:08:46
all failed because it was mostly machine learning
1:08:48
and it didn't really have anything to do
1:08:50
with anything.
1:08:51
And the counter to that was always neural
1:08:53
networks, which could never work.
1:08:56
It's neural networks that are working today that
1:08:59
make AI what it is, that can do
1:09:00
the art and all the rest of it.
1:09:03
Interestingly enough, there is a resurgent in LISP
1:09:06
programming because they can't seem to get the
1:09:10
AI going any further than it is today.
1:09:13
Yeah, we'll see.
1:09:14
I'm just telling you.
1:09:16
There was a whole conference not— LISP programming.
1:09:19
Yes, LISP.
1:09:20
Yeah.
1:09:20
Yes.
1:09:21
Everyone's all-time favorite.
1:09:23
I'm just telling you that they just had
1:09:25
a worldwide conference.
1:09:27
The AI guys are going back to LISP
1:09:30
because they can't seem to get the neural
1:09:32
networks doing any intelligence other than the neural
1:09:39
networks, which is giving you, you know, your
1:09:42
Scaramanga, his eight-second videos, and Darren O
1:09:46
'Neill, his orange images.
1:09:48
And I would like to say—by the way,
1:09:49
I have a comment on the orange images.
1:09:51
I would suggest that somebody show—use LISP and
1:09:56
create some of the art that Darren creates
1:09:58
with just a few prompts.
1:09:59
What?
1:09:59
Did you not hear what I just said?
1:10:02
That the neural networks, they are definitely responsible—I'll
1:10:06
say it again—for Scaramanga's eight-second videos.
1:10:09
I'm saying yes.
1:10:10
And if—I'm not arguing that.
1:10:13
What I'm saying is that if the LISP
1:10:14
is so good that we can go back
1:10:17
to it, I want to see it produce
1:10:18
some art as good as Scaramanga's.
1:10:20
No.
1:10:20
They want to use LISP for the reasoning
1:10:23
and for the recursive— Oh, okay.
1:10:26
Yes.
1:10:26
I'm telling you.
1:10:28
Oh, that's insanity.
1:10:29
I'm reporting it to you.
1:10:30
I'm not, like, advocating for it.
1:10:33
You might as well be.
1:10:36
Oh, you're insufferable sometimes.
1:10:39
I am.
1:10:40
I'm totally insufferable.
1:10:41
It's pathetic.
1:10:42
Well, you know what the number one language
1:10:44
is being used currently today for artificial intelligence,
1:10:49
large language models, not for your image crap?
1:10:52
Do you know what it is, the number
1:10:53
one language?
1:10:54
You got me.
1:10:55
Python.
1:10:57
Oh, that doesn't surprise me.
1:10:59
Which is lame by comparison to LISP.
1:11:02
Exactly.
1:11:03
This is exactly why they're going back to
1:11:05
it.
1:11:06
It's fascinating to see.
1:11:08
Why don't they go back to small talk?
1:11:10
Apple talk.
1:11:14
Novell Networks.
1:11:15
Now, that was a technology, I tell you.
1:11:17
Now we sound like a couple of farts.
1:11:20
I've decided I'm Ben X.
1:11:23
That is my new generation.
1:11:24
I am not Gen X.
1:11:26
I am Ben X.
1:11:27
Anyway.
1:11:27
What's Ben?
1:11:28
Ben what?
1:11:29
The B for boomer.
1:11:30
Ben X.
1:11:32
Oh, that's interesting.
1:11:33
Thank you.
1:11:34
I think boom X would be better.
1:11:36
No.
1:11:37
So, Sam Altman, our very tortured, tortured multi
1:11:43
-millionaire.
1:11:44
Sex fiend.
1:11:44
I don't know if he's a...
1:11:47
Isn't he part of that sex cult?
1:11:51
No, you're...
1:11:52
Am I conflating a bunch of different people?
1:11:54
You're thinking of the FTX guy.
1:11:56
You're thinking of Sam Bankman Freed.
1:11:58
No, I'm not thinking of...
1:12:00
No, I'm thinking about the group that's still
1:12:02
running around here that is sex-oriented.
1:12:05
Oh, the...
1:12:07
What were they called again?
1:12:09
Yeah, them.
1:12:11
Those guys.
1:12:11
Someone in the troll room should know what
1:12:13
it is.
1:12:13
Okay, continue talking.
1:12:16
I'll worry about it later.
1:12:17
Sam Altman, he's doing some pre-promotion for
1:12:22
Model 5.
1:12:24
Model 5, everybody.
1:12:25
I mean, listen.
1:12:27
We just need another trillion dollars.
1:12:30
Once we have more compute, AI is really...
1:12:36
Effective altruism.
1:12:37
Thank you very much, Maximilian.
1:12:38
Yeah, effective altruism.
1:12:39
Effective altruism.
1:12:40
No, he's the opposite of that because now
1:12:43
he went all in on commercialism.
1:12:46
He wants to get filthy rich now.
1:12:48
Remember, they're trying to spin all that.
1:12:50
Who doesn't?
1:12:51
Exactly.
1:12:52
Sam Altman is doing just fine.
1:12:54
So Sam needs to explain to everybody that
1:12:58
if we just get a little more money,
1:13:01
it will really be smart.
1:13:03
It's going to...
1:13:03
It's blowing me away, I'm telling you.
1:13:06
So where would you go...
1:13:08
Hey, I have to say that when no
1:13:10
one has said this, I'm going to say
1:13:11
it.
1:13:12
Okay.
1:13:12
It turns out that Sam Altman is one
1:13:15
of the greatest salespeople in the history of
1:13:18
sales.
1:13:19
And no one recognizes the simple fact.
1:13:22
He is really good at sales.
1:13:26
I think his pitch is getting old.
1:13:29
It still works.
1:13:30
He's still getting money.
1:13:31
He does it, yes.
1:13:32
But he does it in the...
1:13:33
I mean, to you, you're like, you know,
1:13:34
you can see this, but most people can't.
1:13:37
I see right through it.
1:13:38
I mean, the guy is clearly lying.
1:13:41
You know, he's just sitting there like, he's
1:13:43
lying, he's lying.
1:13:44
A salesman lying?
1:13:45
What?
1:13:47
So he goes on, of all podcasts, if
1:13:49
you really want to reach the masses, Theo
1:13:51
Vaughn.
1:13:52
This is a fantastic podcast.
1:13:55
And I didn't clip this, but at a
1:13:57
certain point, Theo Vaughn says, don't you think
1:14:00
it's kind of like old-fashioned for women
1:14:01
to have babies?
1:14:02
I mean, shouldn't we just have them in
1:14:03
vats?
1:14:04
You know, and Sam Alba's like, yeah, you
1:14:07
know, obviously we'd have much better humans.
1:14:09
Obviously.
1:14:10
No.
1:14:11
Yes.
1:14:12
You didn't clip that?
1:14:14
No, it was too creepy.
1:14:17
And anyway, so here's his pre-sale.
1:14:20
These are two very short clips.
1:14:21
Here's his pre-sale of Model 5.
1:14:24
But what it comes with, what are you,
1:14:27
what do you fear, Sam?
1:14:29
And Sam is, you know what?
1:14:33
Yeah.
1:14:34
What's like one of your fears?
1:14:36
Like what's a fear you have of AI?
1:14:39
Like if you have like a fearful space
1:14:41
that it could go, like I know you
1:14:42
mentioned a little bit.
1:14:44
This morning I was testing our new model
1:14:46
and I got a question.
1:14:48
I got emailed a question that I didn't
1:14:49
quite understand.
1:14:51
And I put it in the model, this
1:14:53
GPT-5, and it answered it perfectly.
1:14:55
And I really kind of sat back in
1:14:57
my chair and I was just like, oh
1:14:59
man, here it is moment.
1:15:01
And I got over it quickly.
1:15:02
I got busy on to the next thing.
1:15:04
But it was like, I mean, it's what
1:15:06
kind we're talking about.
1:15:07
I felt like useless relative to the AI
1:15:09
in this thing that I felt like I
1:15:10
should have been able to do and I
1:15:11
couldn't.
1:15:12
It was really hard, but the AI just
1:15:13
did it like that.
1:15:14
Yeah.
1:15:14
It was a weird feeling.
1:15:16
Yeah.
1:15:18
Model 5, GPT-5.
1:15:19
I mean, I'm smelling ketamine.
1:15:27
That's probably true.
1:15:29
I like that.
1:15:30
So, then we get his actual fear, which
1:15:35
he doesn't know how to solve.
1:15:37
Another thing I'm afraid of, and we had
1:15:41
a, you know, a a a a a
1:15:44
a a a a a a a a
1:15:47
a a a We had a, you know,
1:15:52
a real problem with this earlier, but it
1:15:54
can get much worse.
1:15:55
It's just what this is going to mean
1:15:57
for users' mental health.
1:15:59
There's a lot of people that talk to
1:16:00
Chachapiti all day long.
1:16:02
There are these sort of new AI companions
1:16:04
that people talk to like they would a
1:16:05
girlfriend or a boyfriend.
1:16:07
And we're talking earlier about how it's probably
1:16:09
not been good for kids to like, grow
1:16:11
up on the dopamine hit of scrolling.
1:16:14
Yeah, for sure.
1:16:15
Or whatever do you think that that how
1:16:17
do you keep like um AI from having
1:16:20
that same effect like that negative effect that
1:16:22
social?
1:16:22
Media really has had I'm scared about I
1:16:25
don't I don't have an answer yet I
1:16:27
don't think we know quite the ways in
1:16:29
which it's going to have those negative in
1:16:30
yes We do uh, but I feel for
1:16:33
sure it's gonna have some and we'll have
1:16:34
to I hope we can learn to mitigate
1:16:36
it quickly Can a eyes can they pull
1:16:39
up pornography and stuff like that too or
1:16:41
not sure?
1:16:46
No, it's fine listen listen to him laughing
1:16:49
But you either way you have to know
1:16:51
Theo Vaughn had a very serious porn addiction
1:16:53
Can a eyes can they pull up pornography
1:16:56
and stuff like that too or not sure
1:16:57
sure my god?
1:16:59
God, I didn't know that No, it's fine,
1:17:03
yeah, but I just yeah, I don't even
1:17:05
need to know that I'm gonna have that
1:17:07
stricken from my own record So there it
1:17:09
is there is his biggest fear which of
1:17:12
course he knows all about this is not
1:17:14
his fear This is this is his exit
1:17:16
strategy Everybody needs to be talking to their
1:17:18
chat GPT Every say you know if you
1:17:21
pick if you pull it I know you
1:17:22
don't have an app for it, but if
1:17:24
you were to ever install an app on
1:17:26
your phone in the drawer Chat GPT has
1:17:31
tabs at the top and the first one
1:17:33
is like general and the second one is
1:17:35
therapy.
1:17:35
They are they are literally Giving this to
1:17:39
people is there's a tab therapy that says
1:17:42
therapy and it comes with it.
1:17:44
Yep Built right in well that tell us
1:17:47
more well, that's where people go for therapy,
1:17:50
and then the the the AI starts talking
1:17:54
to you like a therapist and This is
1:17:58
not regulated well No, you can't go you
1:18:00
just can't put a shingle out and say
1:18:02
I'm a therapist without having a license actually
1:18:05
I think you can I don't think so.
1:18:08
I think you know the state of California
1:18:11
Hmm.
1:18:11
I'm not sure about that I'm not sure
1:18:14
about that you have to be a licensed
1:18:17
either a Psychologist or a licensed psychiatry or
1:18:20
a psychiatrist.
1:18:21
I don't think you need a license for
1:18:22
that MD, but I mean I don't know
1:18:25
if you need to be it's like Lucy
1:18:28
free advice five cents Well there you go
1:18:31
Lucy was in violation of the law Let's
1:18:34
see let me ask rock Yes, ask rock
1:18:38
rock would know do you need a license
1:18:41
to be a Therapist all right.
1:18:45
Let's find out doom.
1:18:46
Yes, you typically do, but it depends on
1:18:49
location Okay All right, well we have a
1:18:54
lot of therapists and Psychologists someone should chime
1:18:58
in on this bullcrap.
1:18:59
Yeah Because none of it's good obviously well
1:19:03
if it says therapy they're offering the therapeutic
1:19:05
services that that are unlicensed Is it right
1:19:08
there?
1:19:09
They should sue them.
1:19:10
Yeah, the state of California should sue the
1:19:13
company over this immediately well anyway, I'm The
1:19:18
more I look at X which has you
1:19:21
know grok essentially built into it You know
1:19:24
so in every I love the number one
1:19:27
question, I think posted on X's at grok
1:19:30
is this true That's my favorite, that's my
1:19:37
favorite.
1:19:37
Yeah, well, that's what you do so the
1:19:40
snake is eating its tail continuously and It
1:19:43
just seems like you cannot get away from
1:19:46
ingesting crap, and then just more crap comes
1:19:48
out That's just the model collapse to me
1:19:51
is just that's that's why we have to
1:19:53
keep get Like you say if it's gonna
1:19:55
be model collapse.
1:19:56
I know then I'm not worried.
1:19:58
Why are you worried about any of this?
1:19:59
I'm not but I have to fill time
1:20:01
on this podcast so I might as well
1:20:03
That makes sense and when it comes to
1:20:06
crap just just you know Just have a
1:20:10
look at my timeline and look at all
1:20:12
of the number accounts.
1:20:15
You know like Dolores five nine seven two
1:20:20
two three six These are bots There's no
1:20:25
one who would accept their username to be
1:20:27
Dolores three nine two two six People will
1:20:31
try anything.
1:20:32
Let me do if it's Dolores 1960 okay
1:20:34
boomer Dolores.
1:20:35
I got you This thing is filled with
1:20:39
bots And the more I look at it
1:20:41
than the more I see what kind of
1:20:44
comments are being made by these bots the
1:20:46
more I am convinced that All of these
1:20:51
social networks are now just completely flooded by
1:20:55
intelligence agencies Massaging a narrative, and it doesn't
1:20:59
mean that they're doing it in in For
1:21:03
the benefit of the administration they're doing it
1:21:05
for the benefit of whatever their whatever their
1:21:07
messaging is and Nothing quite sums it up,
1:21:11
and why wouldn't you do that exactly and
1:21:14
nothing quite sums it up as the Harvard
1:21:17
cyber speech from President Obama Where he was
1:21:20
clearly?
1:21:22
Projecting and In hindsight you're like wow this
1:21:26
is really taking place right now The Epstein
1:21:30
conversation is a part of it the Mossad
1:21:33
is real all of this is a part
1:21:34
of it in Myanmar It's been well documented
1:21:37
that hate speech shared on Facebook played a
1:21:40
role in the murderous campaign targeting the Rohingya
1:21:43
community Social media platforms have been similarly implicated
1:21:46
in fanning ethnic violence in Ethiopia far-right
1:21:49
extremism in Europe Authoritarian regimes and strongmen around
1:21:53
the world from China to Hungary the Philippines
1:21:56
Brazil have learned to conscript social media platforms
1:22:00
to turn their own populations against groups They
1:22:03
don't like whether it's ethnic minorities the LGBTQ
1:22:06
community Journalists political opponents and of course autocrats
1:22:10
like Putin have used these platforms as a
1:22:12
strategic weapon against democratic countries that they consider
1:22:16
a threat people like Putin and Steve Bannon
1:22:19
for that matter Understand it's not necessary for
1:22:22
people to believe this information in order to
1:22:26
weaken democratic institutions You just have to flood
1:22:29
a country's public square with enough raw sewage
1:22:32
You just have to raise enough questions spread
1:22:35
enough dirt plant enough Conspiracy theorizing that citizens
1:22:39
no longer know what to believe Once they
1:22:42
lose trust in their leaders in mainstream media
1:22:46
in political institutions in each other in the
1:22:49
Possibility of truth the game's won there you
1:22:53
go Putin discovered leading up to the 2016
1:22:55
election our own social media platforms are well
1:22:58
designed to support such a mission such a
1:23:01
project Russians could study and manipulate patterns in
1:23:04
the Engagement ranking system on a Facebook or
1:23:07
used to and as a result Russians state
1:23:10
-sponsored trolls could almost guarantee that whatever disinformation
1:23:14
they put out there would reach millions of
1:23:16
Americans and that The more inflammatory the story
1:23:19
the quicker it spread yeah, and that's being
1:23:22
done today right now by our own intelligence
1:23:25
community This is being done by Obama's boys
1:23:30
Cloward Pivens Oh the digital version.
1:23:33
It's it's a it's a digital version of
1:23:35
it completely.
1:23:37
Yeah, and it's working It kind of expressed
1:23:39
how it works you clogged the sewers.
1:23:41
Yeah, and It's working and and you just
1:23:45
and how do you make it even crazier
1:23:47
add AI?
1:23:48
Just add some scaremonger images.
1:23:51
I don't think it makes it crazier.
1:23:52
I just this makes it easier no Easier
1:23:56
for them to do yes, yeah, but that
1:23:59
it, but it I think it accelerates You
1:24:03
maybe laugh so hard the other day Yeah,
1:24:07
you should you should have someone watching you
1:24:09
when you post on X Which one what
1:24:14
post got you the one you said who
1:24:17
is this woman next to Trump how come
1:24:19
she's never mentioned It was do that I
1:24:23
said this picture shows up a lot Who
1:24:25
is this woman next to Trump and I
1:24:27
wanted somebody to tell me oh?
1:24:29
Okay It's clearly Melania It doesn't look anything
1:24:35
like her.
1:24:35
Oh, it's totally Melania It doesn't look anything
1:24:39
like her and it's and the band it
1:24:40
has to be pre 2004.
1:24:42
He wasn't dating her then I I don't
1:24:46
know how long he's been dating.
1:24:48
Well that doesn't mean that that what do
1:24:49
you mean it has to be pre?
1:24:51
2004 because he broke up with Epstein as
1:24:54
a no it's documented in 2004 he never
1:24:56
saw him again Well when he spoke to
1:24:59
him after 2004 that was the date you
1:25:02
got get all the clips you want that
1:25:05
When did he start dating Melania?
1:25:08
Well it had to be after Marla Maples,
1:25:10
and when did he divorce Marla?
1:25:12
Let's find out when I'm trying to look
1:25:15
at your timeline your timeline is one 100
1:25:18
% tick-tock crazy videos Yeah, I can't
1:25:22
even I can't even find them a lot
1:25:24
in a video.
1:25:25
Oh my goodness.
1:25:26
You're out of control It's not a video.
1:25:29
It is still photo.
1:25:30
Who is this woman question mark?
1:25:32
I constantly see this photo of Trump from
1:25:34
20 plus years ago.
1:25:35
Who is this woman?
1:25:36
He is with why is she never identified?
1:25:38
Yeah, well, what's wrong with that well, it's
1:25:41
clearly Melania It's not clearly Melania.
1:25:44
It doesn't look anything like her.
1:25:46
It looks exactly like her When did they
1:25:49
first when did they first start dating?
1:25:51
Let's see yeah look at it You do
1:25:53
that now look at Marla Maples when this
1:25:55
she was divorced, okay?
1:25:57
Well that doesn't doesn't mean he wasn't hanging
1:25:59
out with her at the time Here Zampoli
1:26:02
introduced her to Donald Trump in 1998 she
1:26:05
began dating Donald Trump shortly thereafter Marla who
1:26:11
Melania and Melania was dating Donald Trump in
1:26:14
1998 I didn't say that Zampoli Paolo Zampoli,
1:26:20
I'm sure a fine individual introduced her to
1:26:23
Trump in 1998 she began dating Donald Trump
1:26:26
shortly thereafter Trump worked to get Melania modeling
1:26:29
jobs, and she supported him during his 2000
1:26:33
presidential campaign and they were married in 2005
1:26:37
So that your timeline Well, maybe you're right,
1:26:41
maybe I'm completely wrong and she's changed her
1:26:43
look which wouldn't surprise She's 25 years older
1:26:48
or 20 years older than the picture Marla
1:26:50
got divorced in 1999 there There you go,
1:26:54
but because he was dating with Melania in
1:26:56
98 Hello So the timeline works Okay, so
1:27:02
you got me Well now I know I
1:27:05
wonder who this picture this woman was Okay,
1:27:09
well now I didn't know that's why I
1:27:11
asked that's what I use Twitter for I
1:27:13
use it for a point of information I
1:27:15
see this no he's showing up over and
1:27:17
over and over again and nobody identifies And
1:27:19
they say here's Trump with Epstein and Epstein's
1:27:21
with with Gislaine and there's no mention of
1:27:25
the woman You do you use Twitter to
1:27:29
a B test take crazy tik-tok videos
1:27:32
to play on one America news It's it's
1:27:35
your protesting ground Do you see how many
1:27:39
what what people like it the most thing
1:27:40
you have you been on her show?
1:27:42
Oh, no, yeah, I was on again last
1:27:44
Friday.
1:27:44
Ah, I missed it.
1:27:46
I need to do it You just grouse
1:27:49
about it.
1:27:49
I think it's no I think you're doing
1:27:52
it wrong.
1:27:53
You need to get an act together This
1:27:54
is why I'm grousing.
1:27:56
You'd be perfect.
1:27:57
You need a hat.
1:27:57
We already discussed that You need all the
1:28:00
tech grouch.
1:28:01
Yeah, you got to do a little crazy
1:28:03
voice And you got to say, you know,
1:28:05
you got to have a catchphrase.
1:28:07
You don't have a catchphrase I don't have
1:28:09
a catchphrase catchphrase should be who are these
1:28:12
women?
1:28:12
That should be your catchphrase Well, it's not
1:28:15
always just women.
1:28:16
Okay.
1:28:16
All right Anyway, I got a gem lined
1:28:20
up next I Noticed you stopped bringing them
1:28:24
to the show you're like I'm not giving
1:28:26
away my good stuff here.
1:28:28
No, it is because no I Have an
1:28:30
outlet for it.
1:28:31
That's other than the show because you grouse
1:28:33
and moan and groan and make my life
1:28:36
I'll bring the next show is gonna be
1:28:37
loaded with tick-tock loaded with tick-tocks
1:28:39
No, the next show on Thursday is going
1:28:41
to be our exit strategies, which is even
1:28:44
better than tick-tocks Even it'll give a
1:28:48
lot of people good ideas.
1:28:49
Yes.
1:28:50
Yeah, we're full of them You're right or
1:28:54
hours worth.
1:28:55
All right, what's the Boeve controversy?
1:28:57
What is that?
1:28:58
Okay, this is the guy that they're making
1:29:00
a big fuss about this guy He is
1:29:03
the Trump lawyer who helped him out in
1:29:06
some say well it's all explained in these
1:29:08
clips, but he wants to make him a
1:29:10
member of one of the Circuit Courts of
1:29:13
Appeal and Everybody's fighting against it and they
1:29:15
ramrodded it through the committee and the committee
1:29:18
the Democrats in the committee This is what
1:29:20
the committee walked out and in Drama high
1:29:26
drama, how did I not catch this?
1:29:28
Oh the walkout was the best because you
1:29:30
had a Jerome, oh and and We're bitching
1:29:35
and moaning.
1:29:35
What's his name?
1:29:36
The black guy who's always yelling and screaming
1:29:38
who did the 17-hour?
1:29:41
Filibuster whose name for some reason eludes me.
1:29:45
Yeah, Cory, Cory Booker.
1:29:46
So Cory Booker's this is outrageous This is
1:29:49
outrageous And then they all left and it
1:29:51
was a big stink because they do trying
1:29:53
to get this guy through so let's listen
1:29:54
to clip one President Trump helped reshape the
1:29:57
federal courts during his first term in office
1:30:00
And he relied heavily on the Federalist Society
1:30:03
in that effort Which helped him zero in
1:30:05
on judges with a conservative originalist interpretation of
1:30:09
the Constitution Now the nominations machinery is restarting
1:30:13
in Trump's most controversial judicial nominee is only
1:30:17
one step Where is this who?
1:30:20
What outlet is this NPR so they just
1:30:24
say Trump they don't say President Trump anymore.
1:30:26
They just say no That's NPR.
1:30:28
They hate Trump Okay and I should mention
1:30:30
they did talk about the Federalist Society and
1:30:33
Trump's not using as much as he used
1:30:34
to and they never mentioned the Reason, which
1:30:37
is Amy Coney Barrett who did who's you
1:30:39
know, been kind of on the on this
1:30:41
fence She's not that conservative a lot of
1:30:43
issues.
1:30:44
That's why he stopped using the Heritage Foundation
1:30:46
because they they boned him Well, it's it's
1:30:49
the Federalist is this group here.
1:30:51
I'm sorry Federalist Society.
1:30:52
Yeah Yes, they boned it right and boned
1:30:55
it hurting in Trump's most controversial judicial nominee
1:30:59
is only one step away from the federal
1:31:01
bench I'm joined by NPR's Carrie Johnson for
1:31:05
a look at what email Bovee could tell
1:31:07
us about Trump's approach to judges in his
1:31:09
second term Carrie welcome.
1:31:11
Hi wanna so Carrie start if you can
1:31:13
by just telling us who anal Bovee is
1:31:15
and why his nominee?
1:31:16
I'm sorry.
1:31:17
I'm so irritated hearing anal Bovee Irritated by
1:31:22
this What happens in news where you just
1:31:26
went like, okay we with us we have
1:31:28
John C Dvorak John tell us exactly what's
1:31:31
going on here When did it have to
1:31:33
become?
1:31:33
Hi, Amy?
1:31:34
Hi.
1:31:34
Hi, Nanny.
1:31:35
Hi, baby Why is that it doesn't it
1:31:40
just wastes my time about Trump's approach to
1:31:43
judges in a second term Carrie welcome Hi,
1:31:46
wanna so Gary start if you can by
1:31:47
just telling us who anal Bovee is Well,
1:31:52
he's got some pretty strong credentials He graduated
1:31:55
from Georgetown Law School did a couple of
1:31:57
clerkships with conservative federal judges and then got
1:32:00
a job in what might be the most
1:32:02
prestigious US Attorney's Office in the entire country
1:32:05
in Manhattan And of course, he went on
1:32:07
to defend Donald Trump in his various criminal
1:32:09
cases the White House communications director says anal
1:32:12
Bovee supremely qualified and a man of integrity
1:32:15
He says there's nobody more capable for the
1:32:18
US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
1:32:20
and at his confirmation hearing Bovee told senators
1:32:23
He's been misunderstood.
1:32:25
I am NOT anybody's henchman.
1:32:26
I'm not an enforcer I'm a lawyer from
1:32:29
a small town who never expected to be
1:32:32
in an arena like this.
1:32:33
It's a male a male a male or
1:32:36
Emil what is it?
1:32:38
I'm a male.
1:32:39
I mean I Like the other one Yeah,
1:32:44
so this guy they make a big fuss
1:32:46
first they give his credentials.
1:32:47
He's fine.
1:32:48
No, no, no because he defended That's the
1:32:51
problem.
1:32:52
That's the problem Yeah, here we go, but
1:32:55
Bovee also ran into some complaints from colleagues
1:32:57
and defense lawyers, right and if I understand
1:32:59
Kerry He's also had an outsized role in
1:33:02
his brief time at the Department of Justice.
1:33:04
Is that right?
1:33:04
He's the right-hand man to the deputy
1:33:06
attorney general which basically means all the day
1:33:09
-to-day management of the Justice Department both
1:33:11
the big cases and Policies all of that
1:33:14
ends up on his desk and there's been
1:33:15
a lot going on this year From firing
1:33:18
prosecutors who worked on those January 6 cases
1:33:21
to walking away from the corruption case against
1:33:23
New York City's mayor Eric Adams a federal
1:33:26
judge said the decision to drop that case
1:33:29
smacked of a bargain where DOJ would move
1:33:31
to dismiss the case and Mayor Adams would
1:33:33
help advance Trump's aggressive deportation agenda 900 former
1:33:38
Justice Department lawyers have urged the Senate to
1:33:41
vote no on Emil Bovee I spoke with
1:33:44
Stacy Young who spent 18 years inside the
1:33:46
DOJ She now runs a group that connects
1:33:49
people there with legal and ethics advice by
1:33:52
voting to confirm Emil Bovee to a lifetime
1:33:56
appointment They would be doing more than just
1:34:00
placing someone problematic on the bench They would
1:34:04
be giving their stamp of approval on everything
1:34:07
that's happened at DOJ in the last six
1:34:10
months And that is simply unacceptable You know
1:34:15
what is wrong with these people well my
1:34:19
question is We've had a lot of famous
1:34:24
Emils Right.
1:34:28
Yeah, like I wasn't there a chef a
1:34:31
chef named Emil Legassi Emil Legassi, but what
1:34:37
are their famous?
1:34:40
Emil Berliner I'm trying to think of other
1:34:44
but they've always pronounced as a meal Why
1:34:48
is he now Emil which of course we
1:34:51
all know sounds like anal?
1:34:53
Yeah, that's why that you just you answered
1:34:56
your own question.
1:34:57
They're really they're really doing this on purpose.
1:34:59
What is what this is horrible?
1:35:01
That this whole report is horrible fund them.
1:35:04
They're me What was too late?
1:35:10
Yeah, well that was Emeril, I'm sorry it
1:35:12
wasn't a mills Emeril Emeril Emeril Emeril Legassi,
1:35:15
yeah, but there's an Emeril It's a point
1:35:19
is well taken they're saying anal It's an
1:35:23
outrage I'm outraged by our national public radio
1:35:28
Three carry we know that President Trump appointed
1:35:30
a whole lot of judges during his first
1:35:32
term So, how does Bovee compare during Trump's
1:35:35
first term Trump confirmed more than 200 judges
1:35:38
with help from Senator Mitch McConnell?
1:35:40
Largely relying on a list the Federalist Society
1:35:43
helped create but both he's not a member
1:35:45
of the Federalist Society He's loyal and close
1:35:49
to people in the White House, though That's
1:35:51
what worries Greg Nunziata who helped advance judicial
1:35:54
nominees as a Republican Senate aid He now
1:35:57
works as executive director at Society for the
1:35:59
Rule of Law I think there are reasons
1:36:01
all Americans should be concerned about judges coming
1:36:06
to the bench with political agendas and Outcome
1:36:09
motivated orientation to judging that should concern everybody.
1:36:14
Yeah, you know Go on X dude No
1:36:18
one cares about anything anymore.
1:36:20
It's all slop And by the way, Trump
1:36:23
did 200 judges Biden did 235 in his
1:36:26
term Yeah, well, of course, they will not
1:36:29
mention that and and all of them were
1:36:31
appointed.
1:36:32
They're all liberals as the Autopen, so it
1:36:35
wasn't actually Biden Well, somebody somebody gave instructions.
1:36:39
But yes Well, of course So that this
1:36:44
is bogus, but let's go and wrap it
1:36:46
up here with a couple more It's especially
1:36:48
notable that President Trump is breaking with the
1:36:51
Federalist Society Because that group has been just
1:36:53
extremely successful at stacking the federal bench with
1:36:56
very conservative judges Right, and that success helped
1:36:58
culminate in a six to three conservative supermajority
1:37:02
on today's Supreme Court that effort began over
1:37:05
a generation ago in law schools and it
1:37:07
continued all the way through Donald Trump's first
1:37:10
term in office where nominees with conservative track
1:37:13
records were closely vetted their writings were tracked
1:37:15
the idea was to ensure these very Conservative
1:37:18
lawyers would stay conservative and it drew avoid
1:37:22
the kind of drift that say former justice
1:37:24
David Souter and former justice Sandra Day O
1:37:26
'Connor may have represented, right?
1:37:29
Okay.
1:37:29
Well, I mean given the fact that the
1:37:30
Federalist Society has been so successful.
1:37:32
Tell us why?
1:37:33
I think there's a simple reason there are
1:37:36
hundreds of cases that have been filed against
1:37:38
the Trump administration this year Challenging his policies
1:37:41
his immigration agenda the efforts to remake the
1:37:44
federal government and the president has really been
1:37:46
Frustrated we're lower court judges who ruled against
1:37:50
him judges that were appointed by both Democratic
1:37:52
and Republican presidents Trump went so far as
1:37:55
to attack Leonard Leo the longtime Federalist Society
1:37:58
official in a social media post this year
1:38:00
as he was losing in the lower courts
1:38:02
Trump called him a sleazebag You know, yeah
1:38:07
the mistake these guys make is they're not
1:38:09
really explaining what's going on No, dumb hicks
1:38:13
in Texas like me, I don't understand any
1:38:15
of this and I don't care like judge
1:38:19
smudge Shame a mole nitrate, whatever So they
1:38:26
get the Federalist Society now what gets me
1:38:29
here and you do know what's going on
1:38:31
What gets me here is that they're bitching
1:38:33
and moaning about the Federalist Society the first
1:38:35
go-round now He's got him loose Whatever
1:38:44
he does is bad.
1:38:45
So listen, this is the last clip We'll
1:38:47
just point out here that judges are supposed
1:38:49
to be independent of the president who appointed
1:38:51
them They're not political actors Kerry Johnson How
1:38:54
do you expect this to shape the judiciary
1:38:56
given the fact that these are lifetime appointments?
1:38:59
No, the Senate has already confirmed Trump's first
1:39:01
federal judge several more are in the pipeline
1:39:04
There are fewer judicial vacancies now than in
1:39:07
Trump's first go-round in the White House
1:39:09
And there's also some evidence judges may be
1:39:11
delaying their retirement.
1:39:13
So their replacements are not picked by Trump
1:39:16
Hmm.
1:39:17
I mean there are hundreds of federal judges
1:39:19
bovie is just one person So is this
1:39:22
confirmation really likely to make a difference in
1:39:24
how Trump's policies there in court friends?
1:39:26
You know, this is a fair point.
1:39:27
I've been talking with experts They tell me
1:39:29
appeals court judges sit on panels of three
1:39:31
So any one judge is not gonna tip
1:39:34
the balance of power But if and when
1:39:36
the president gets a vacancy on the Supreme
1:39:37
Court and that nominee could have a lot
1:39:40
more influence Oh, they're emo bovie would be
1:39:43
at the top of Trump's list Legal community
1:39:46
tell me they think it's a possibility Trump
1:39:48
has been winning a lot this year in
1:39:50
the Supreme Court and that's ultimately where this
1:39:52
matters What do you mean?
1:39:54
What about what about Ted Cruz?
1:39:56
I Thought he was next in line Well,
1:39:59
that'd be a good idea Please get him
1:40:02
out of Congress Senate at this point.
1:40:04
The great thing about Ted Cruz is he
1:40:05
wouldn't be talking on television anymore Because Supreme
1:40:10
Court justices don't typically do that, you know,
1:40:12
they write their opinion or they're just well
1:40:15
What's-her-name Jackson does no, that's true.
1:40:19
I had an experience with our justice system
1:40:22
this past weekend No, you got pulled over
1:40:25
for what no I I took my first
1:40:27
trip to a federal correction facility in, Texas
1:40:31
well How long they lock you up?
1:40:35
Now to visit a friend of mine who's
1:40:37
in for ten This is the doctor yeah
1:40:41
who we're hoping you know, there's appeal and
1:40:45
all kinds of stuff It's he definitely got
1:40:46
railroaded.
1:40:47
Yeah a doctor who got railroaded.
1:40:50
No, you know, it happens So but he's
1:40:53
in the camp The camp the camp.
1:40:57
Yeah, you know, it's like this.
1:40:58
Oh, it's it's the minimal lock-up and
1:41:02
You know, so and I've never been out
1:41:04
there's like two and a half hour drive
1:41:06
So I and then I've been told okay,
1:41:09
you know, you you gotta arrive at this
1:41:10
time Otherwise, I won't let you in you
1:41:12
can't go in with anything.
1:41:14
You can't have your phone on you was
1:41:15
like, okay fine So I guess my gun
1:41:18
is out.
1:41:18
Yeah.
1:41:19
Okay, so can't have any of that You
1:41:21
have to have a clear bag a clear
1:41:24
bag with your driver's license They can see
1:41:26
it and dollar bills only dollar bills for
1:41:29
the vending machine, you know Because I guess
1:41:31
that's the only thing you can eat There
1:41:33
is it from the vending machine in the
1:41:34
visitor's office and they have me all and
1:41:37
I took my belt off You know, I'm
1:41:38
all jacked up like no You know, I
1:41:41
just x-ray.
1:41:43
Yeah.
1:41:43
Well, this is I didn't know what to
1:41:45
expect but the way it was Presented to
1:41:47
me I was I was you know cautious
1:41:50
pat you down.
1:41:51
So I walk up you open the doors
1:41:56
Double opening doors and right there.
1:41:59
Boom.
1:41:59
You're you're in the room with all the
1:42:01
inmates and their visitors It's like a DMV
1:42:04
waiting room Huh?
1:42:06
And and you know, it's really and and
1:42:08
the the welcome desk is at the far
1:42:11
side of the room There's no scanner.
1:42:13
I mean I could have walked in with
1:42:15
anything And I you know, I asked for
1:42:18
for my inmate and then what do you
1:42:21
think the guy says to me?
1:42:24
Uh, I don't know what would he say
1:42:27
you got any cool stories on Aussie What
1:42:32
Ozzy Ozzy Osbourne, oh they knew who you
1:42:35
were these guys are like Oh, hey, tell
1:42:37
me about the story would tell me where
1:42:38
you met Ozzy and it was the most
1:42:40
laid-back thing I've ever witnessed It was
1:42:42
surprising.
1:42:43
There's people in there bringing in Kentucky fried
1:42:46
chicken and all and just everyone's having parties.
1:42:50
It was Nothing that I like I sound
1:42:52
like anything.
1:42:54
Why they give you the prepping that was
1:42:55
inaccurate Well, I guess there's difference in guards.
1:42:59
You can have some of the psychos and
1:43:01
I guess it was not psycho day But
1:43:04
even so I mean, there's no security pretty
1:43:06
much Yeah, I mean obviously the whole thing
1:43:10
sucks But it was it was quite interesting
1:43:16
to to witness Well that boom who always
1:43:21
gonna say that transitions nicely to the alligator
1:43:23
alley stories.
1:43:24
Oh Yeah, but I say alligator alley you
1:43:28
did an alligator alley is something completely different
1:43:32
to me alligator alley means I'm going back
1:43:36
to 1997 1996 Think new ideas in New
1:43:41
York and we didn't know each other then
1:43:43
Where we were growing out of our we
1:43:46
actually did if it was 97 we met
1:43:48
in 93 Right, but we that was just
1:43:52
a meeting on the no.
1:43:53
Yeah, which is No, yeah, that was it
1:43:56
was that was a like a show business
1:43:57
meeting.
1:43:58
We bumped into yes It was a show
1:43:59
fan of your work man big fan of
1:44:01
your work Love your the best.
1:44:04
Yeah, you're man.
1:44:05
You're so awesome No, this is think new
1:44:08
ideas 100 people in the New York office
1:44:11
and we were building out a second floor.
1:44:13
We were growing so fast and So we
1:44:16
had all of these Coders who were basically
1:44:21
building websites for Reebok and you know Johnson
1:44:24
and Johnson Tampax calm And just doing HTML.
1:44:29
This was this was when you could still
1:44:31
charge a company like that $150,000 a
1:44:34
month for maintenance.
1:44:34
We're gonna maintain maintain your website And so
1:44:40
you had all of these chair backs on
1:44:42
either side of this aisle But if if
1:44:44
you walked in between them and someone happened
1:44:46
to slide their chair back boom you you
1:44:48
get caught That was alligator alley.
1:44:53
Oh Yeah.
1:44:54
Wow.
1:44:54
Yeah, it's a long walk okay, I have
1:44:59
a couple of clips but but Including the
1:45:03
bonus clips The two of them.
1:45:06
Mm-hmm, but let's play these first these
1:45:08
other ones because the bonus clips are quite
1:45:10
funny But this is the first this again
1:45:12
the NPR.
1:45:13
This is against Scott and his buddy This
1:45:15
is the first NPR alligator one Florida governor
1:45:18
Ron DeSantis says these first deportation flights have
1:45:21
begun from the new migrant detention center referred
1:45:24
to by President Trump and others as alligator
1:45:27
Alcatraz The remote facility and the Everglades has
1:45:31
come under intense scrutiny and generated controversy Some
1:45:34
people now detained there allege harsh treatment by
1:45:38
guards Tim Padgett with our member station WLRN
1:45:41
in Miami has been following the story Tim.
1:45:43
Thanks for being with us.
1:45:45
Thank you Scott first Please remind us how
1:45:47
this detention center came about and immediately became
1:45:50
a source of controversy Well, it was a
1:45:52
very sudden action taken by Florida governor Ron
1:45:55
DeSantis late last month out on an idle
1:45:58
airstrip in the remote Everglades where the concept
1:46:01
was that Detainees would of course be met
1:46:03
by alligators and other wildlife if they try
1:46:06
to escape President Trump and DeSantis hope it
1:46:09
will serve as a sort of punitive showcase
1:46:11
to deter illegal immigration Critics say it's just
1:46:15
one more piece of performative demonization of immigrants
1:46:19
and Although immigrant alligator Alcatraz is for immigrant
1:46:23
detention, which is supposedly a federal function It's
1:46:26
run by Florida's Division of Emergency Management but
1:46:30
apparently DeSantis is going to tap into federal
1:46:32
FEMA money to reimburse, Florida for the 450
1:46:36
million dollar cost of its first year of
1:46:38
operation.
1:46:39
I'm just it's abhorrent that they say immigrants
1:46:43
It's not these illegal Illegal deportees whatever you
1:46:49
want to call them.
1:46:50
It's not they also admit to trivialize the
1:46:52
idea of its being an airstrip Which is
1:46:56
critically important because you take him right out
1:46:58
you fly him away Well, I know but
1:47:01
it's not but this air the so-called
1:47:02
airstrip is actually a ten thousand foot runway
1:47:05
that was designed for the Concorde I didn't
1:47:09
know it's designed for the Concorde, but it's
1:47:10
it's a proper runway.
1:47:12
Yeah.
1:47:12
Yeah, it's a big old It's not an
1:47:14
you to me an airstrip is like a
1:47:16
grass grass strip Yeah, you got like yeah.
1:47:20
All right.
1:47:20
We're flying the drugs into the airstrip Yes,
1:47:26
it's a huge runway that's sitting there idle
1:47:29
so they figured they'd use it for someone
1:47:30
I think why don't they just say newcomers
1:47:32
again, and we should go back to newcomers.
1:47:34
That would be even better That would be
1:47:36
better newcomers either way a big reality is
1:47:39
that it's a hastily constructed tent structure with
1:47:42
caged cells for up to 5,000 detainees
1:47:46
so Detainees have complained of substandard food large
1:47:51
mosquitoes overflowing toilets stop So I witnessed what
1:47:57
our non newcomers go through It's all it's
1:48:03
junk.
1:48:03
It's crap by the way.
1:48:05
Do you know what the currency is in
1:48:07
in the pen?
1:48:09
Do you know what they use?
1:48:09
Well, I used to be cigarettes.
1:48:11
Yeah, it's it's now max max Now, I
1:48:15
know what a max is mackerels Mackerels So
1:48:20
they buy mackerels you can buy them an
1:48:22
individually wrapped mackerel And Matt you're talking about
1:48:26
a fish fish.
1:48:27
Yes.
1:48:28
Yes And so hey how much if I
1:48:31
could make that not that not that okay,
1:48:33
I don't use that example But you know,
1:48:35
there's if you want stuff inside if you
1:48:38
want someone to do something, you know They
1:48:40
have to have a currency all all all
1:48:42
Societies even incarcerated have a currency and in
1:48:46
this particular facility.
1:48:47
It's mackerel And so that's got a stink
1:48:51
to high heaven.
1:48:52
Well, they're packaged they're packaged and And so
1:48:55
that'll cost you thank you.
1:48:57
This is the funniest thing that you've said
1:48:59
for a while You know what that it's
1:49:00
packaged or the know that there's mackerels being
1:49:03
passed around Yes, it'll cost you three max.
1:49:07
Okay three max and then at the end
1:49:09
Some of these guys they make sushi out
1:49:12
of the mackerels and they make it with
1:49:16
Was it with that what's that orange rice
1:49:20
Like chemical rice basically, so I'll take some
1:49:23
I have no idea what you're talking about
1:49:26
And but basically they take Cheetos and they
1:49:29
and they wrap it all my buddy was
1:49:31
telling me the whole thing and they make
1:49:33
Sushi out of it.
1:49:35
There's all kinds of shenanigans going on But
1:49:37
I love that the mackerels is the is
1:49:40
the currency it just proves that you know
1:49:42
Anything can be a currency and they use
1:49:44
mackerels.
1:49:47
I thought I thought you'd like that All
1:49:49
right back.
1:49:49
I did I liked it a lot back
1:49:51
to your clip scant air conditioning lights on
1:49:54
Continuously a lack of access to showers and
1:49:57
especially access to lawyers Who say they're not
1:50:01
allowed in the facility and can only engage
1:50:03
their detainee?
1:50:04
Clients by phone or zoom and I gather
1:50:07
this week you spoke with a Nicaraguan migrant
1:50:09
inside the detention center What did he say?
1:50:12
Well, he's a 21 year old asylum seeker
1:50:15
who says he came to the US border
1:50:17
in 2023 as a student protester Fleeing Nicaragua's
1:50:21
brutal Ortega dictatorship Asylum seeker who did not
1:50:25
go through the asylum seeking process.
1:50:28
I'm so sick of these people He asked
1:50:30
that his name not be used for fear
1:50:32
of government retaliation here He'd been arrested in
1:50:36
Fort Lauderdale before this for improper exhibition of
1:50:39
a firearm, but he was not convicted So
1:50:42
he's one of the hundreds of non-criminal
1:50:44
migrants in alligator Alcatraz, which is a facility
1:50:47
that was supposedly for criminal.
1:50:49
Come on Let me listen again.
1:50:51
These words are no wonder the people in
1:50:54
Austin are insane They're being propagandized with lies
1:50:58
and fake language Let's listen again one of
1:51:01
the hundreds of non-criminal migrants and non
1:51:03
-criminal migrants You may be a non-criminal
1:51:07
Illegal alien, but you're not a non-criminal
1:51:10
migrant This is sick of these people one
1:51:13
of the hundreds of non-criminal migrants in
1:51:15
alligator Alcatraz Which is a facility that was
1:51:18
supposedly for criminal Migrants only and he claims
1:51:22
that after a shouting match with guards last
1:51:25
Saturday over detainee clothing Regulations one of them
1:51:29
called the man who is black the n
1:51:31
-word and they shackled his hands and feet
1:51:34
Yeah, okay Well, they do a lot worse
1:51:38
to our American citizens in the pen.
1:51:40
I can I can testify to that It's
1:51:44
Unbelievable these reports wait wait to hear that
1:51:47
the nonsense from CNN which is coming up
1:51:49
This is the third clip from NPR He
1:51:51
says they then put him outside and what
1:51:53
they call the box four by four foot
1:51:56
square He said directly in the hot Florida
1:51:59
Sun Yeah known as the shoe the shoe
1:52:03
man the special housing unit.
1:52:05
Here's what he told me I Claims
1:52:18
that when a fellow detainee from Honduras complained
1:52:20
to the guards about this punishment They did
1:52:23
it to him to of course Tim It's
1:52:25
hard to verify what the detainees say when
1:52:28
there's little access, but we'll report it.
1:52:30
Anyway, what I said It was hard to
1:52:32
verify but we'll report it as fact Of
1:52:34
course to him to of course Tim it's
1:52:36
hard to verify what the detainees say When
1:52:39
there's little access for journalists or lawyers in
1:52:42
that place How do officials respond to these
1:52:45
allegations, that's right, but the Florida Division of
1:52:48
Emergency Management Categorically denies the claims of punishment
1:52:52
as quote false It insists that alligator Alcatraz
1:52:56
guards do not punish detainees and that they
1:52:59
follow all proper prison state and federal protocols
1:53:03
But the other significant response has been from
1:53:06
Florida Republicans who insist the public needs to
1:53:09
remember that this is essentially a prison where
1:53:12
many if not most of the detainees do
1:53:15
in fact have criminal histories and That it's
1:53:18
not supposed to be as the Florida House
1:53:20
Speaker said recently a quote five-star resort
1:53:23
now My goodness, so we're getting at these
1:53:28
reports at CNN.
1:53:29
I have these two bonus clips.
1:53:31
I want to play the first one Because
1:53:34
it's the first one is actually a Woody
1:53:36
Allen joke Okay Yesterday the air conditioning went
1:53:43
out We had the whole morning without air
1:53:45
conditioning lots of mosquitoes came in because they
1:53:48
get in from all sides Multiple detainees say
1:53:51
they don't get enough food though.
1:53:53
They're served three meals a day and that
1:53:55
water is limited We go into the food
1:53:59
hall the food is very terrible here very
1:54:01
very very small portion Yeah, I don't know
1:54:05
food is bad and the portions are so
1:54:07
small oh, yeah, okay old Jewish joke Yeah,
1:54:11
that is way over.
1:54:12
Everybody said even mine.
1:54:14
Well.
1:54:15
It's nice.
1:54:15
That's why I explained it I'm not a
1:54:17
Woody Allen guy So let's go to it's
1:54:20
a Jewish joke, but he used the joke
1:54:23
in his nanny hall actually And here we
1:54:27
go to The second part of this was
1:54:30
more complaining this time about the water pressure
1:54:33
We've eaten as late as 10 at night
1:54:35
the food at night is cold, too There's
1:54:38
never a hot meal showers are located in
1:54:41
a separate tent and opportunities to shower There
1:54:43
are scarce according to the detainees we spoke
1:54:46
with all the showers are connected to the
1:54:48
same water source There's barely any water pressure
1:54:50
So we have to like literally put ourselves
1:54:53
on the wall right next to the water
1:54:55
drain So we can at least get hit
1:54:57
with water Oh, man They have no idea
1:55:01
You're you're lucky you're in federal lockup and
1:55:05
or in lockup that is maintained by the
1:55:08
government my buddies in a commercial prison Where
1:55:12
everything is scammed everything is is the cheapest
1:55:15
the most rotten the out of order not
1:55:18
working?
1:55:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it this
1:55:23
I've ended in the media especially CNN and
1:55:27
NPR They're all they're on the side of
1:55:29
the immigrants.
1:55:29
You know he's sick of the immigrants immigrants
1:55:32
the asylum seekers the asylum seekers newcomers Yeah,
1:55:38
I mean Okay, it sucks.
1:55:42
I know that nobody likes seeing any and
1:55:45
we're nice Americans nobody no no one likes
1:55:47
to see anyone being rousted or Arrested for
1:55:51
you know trying to find a better life,
1:55:53
but I'm sorry If you don't do it
1:55:57
you get Europe and President Trump is right.
1:56:01
They are collapsing they're Collapsing and we still
1:56:06
still have a shot still have a shot
1:56:08
You know and and because of these reports
1:56:10
NPR.
1:56:11
This is why you have women Screaming at
1:56:14
ICE agents you're kidnapping him.
1:56:16
You're kidnapping him.
1:56:17
Oh, man Who who's gonna do my dishes?
1:56:23
Hunter who's gonna mow my lawn you know
1:56:25
what I got a kid who mows my
1:56:26
lawn.
1:56:27
He's an American Do a lawn?
1:56:31
Yeah, we got we got three acres It
1:56:35
doesn't mean you have a lawn.
1:56:36
It's all grass.
1:56:37
Yeah, if it was three if I had
1:56:39
three acres I'd broke baby three acres of
1:56:41
vines Yeah, no that the whole wine thing.
1:56:45
Here's a joke and vines it yeah What
1:56:49
Texas wine did you have recently?
1:56:52
Well there used to be a one good
1:56:54
winery actually is the Preston up in the
1:56:56
panhandle well Yes, the high the high plains.
1:56:59
Yeah, that's where they cuz it's cooler at
1:57:00
night It's too warm down here.
1:57:02
Although that is changing climate change is helping
1:57:05
us in that regard So while we're kind
1:57:07
of on on this topic President Trump just
1:57:11
signed an executive order which I think is
1:57:12
a really good one Let's see where's this
1:57:15
report from I'm sure no doubt.
1:57:18
Oh, it's KTLA so no doubt.
1:57:20
It's skewed But it's funny how KTLA's got
1:57:23
the funniest stuff Yeah, and then and they
1:57:25
also have Gavin Newsom in here going like
1:57:27
oh, I've been saying this for years So
1:57:31
the executive order is not just get all
1:57:35
the homeless off the streets and throw them
1:57:36
in the river No, he's bringing back medical
1:57:41
institutions for those who are addicted for those
1:57:44
who are have mental issues, which is probably
1:57:48
a lot of them and And I think
1:57:51
the addiction issue is the best because the
1:57:54
only solution we've seen from Cities like Los
1:57:57
Angeles like Los Angeles same goes for Austin
1:58:01
Dallas Houston all Democrat cities Democrat run cities.
1:58:05
I think all of them.
1:58:06
I think so Has always been we'll give
1:58:09
them a safe place to shoot up Let's
1:58:12
make sure they have safe drugs, which we
1:58:15
saw Needles which we saw fail in Europe
1:58:18
in in the 70s Oh the methadone bus
1:58:22
it will just have the methadone bus come
1:58:24
by.
1:58:24
It didn't work and No, it doesn't work.
1:58:28
It doesn't it really doesn't and it but
1:58:30
it's it's the humane thing to don't know
1:58:32
the humane thing is to bring back I
1:58:35
Guess in essence one flew over the cuckoo's
1:58:38
nest only make it better.
1:58:40
I Mean that went away with what Reagan
1:58:42
Reagan was the one who just got sick
1:58:44
and tired of people complaining about it And
1:58:46
he closed all of the mental institutions Yeah,
1:58:48
he Reagan got sick and tired of people
1:58:50
complaining about especially out here in California.
1:58:53
Oh, no, everybody's good They're just grabbing people
1:58:56
off the street and locking them up because
1:58:57
they're nuts and Reagan got sick of it
1:59:00
and he's basically Turned it around.
1:59:02
Okay, if you don't want people being in
1:59:05
the mental institution, we'll just leave him Leave
1:59:08
him out in the public.
1:59:09
I don't it was a bad decision, but
1:59:11
he does what yeah, I blame Reagan Yeah,
1:59:13
so President Trump has demanded money be be
1:59:17
redirected So the executive order is a lot
1:59:19
more extensive than what you're hearing in these
1:59:22
reports Yeah That new executive order from the
1:59:24
president aimed at making it easier for cities
1:59:26
and states across the country to remove Homeless
1:59:29
people from the streets.
1:59:30
We want to get straight to that Language
1:59:32
of the order from the White House so
1:59:34
you can see a little bit of it
1:59:35
for yourself It says it is targeted at
1:59:37
removing quote vagrant individuals from our streets and
1:59:40
redirects federal funds Towards programs that tackle substance
1:59:45
abuse this order seeking to shift federal grant
1:59:48
funding to states and cities that enforce prohibitions
1:59:50
on urban camping enforce prohibitions on drug use
1:59:54
and adopt policies allowing people with serious mental
1:59:57
illnesses or Substance abuse disorders to be forced
2:00:00
into treatment the governor responding to Trump's.
2:00:03
Oh, no, they're forcing them into treatment This
2:00:06
is inhumane Disorders to be forced into treatment
2:00:10
the governor responding to Trump's new executive order
2:00:13
saying it is remember they giving them free
2:00:15
tents That was the big idea in Austin.
2:00:18
Oh, we should give them tents.
2:00:19
So they so they're nice and warm and
2:00:21
free tents is what we do No, these
2:00:24
people need serious help since abuse disorders to
2:00:26
be forced into treatment the governor responding to
2:00:31
What I mean, it's funny to say forced
2:00:34
in we're gonna Forced in the tree American
2:00:38
citizens they in that well, yes, we need
2:00:41
to you sometimes you need to pick somebody
2:00:43
up and say, all right, buddy We're gonna
2:00:44
help you and we're gonna do it in
2:00:45
a different way.
2:00:47
Oh You don't don't you're unhousing them.
2:00:50
You're moving their house No, it's ruining it.
2:00:54
Yeah.
2:00:55
Yeah.
2:00:56
Well, I mean that that's this is this
2:00:58
executive order overrides all of that nonsense and
2:01:01
Money and he's putting money to it.
2:01:03
I like that now Will it be more?
2:01:07
lame Nonprofits that never want to get rid
2:01:10
of their clients.
2:01:11
Yep.
2:01:12
That's what's gonna end Unfortunately, because there's a
2:01:14
lot of programs that work see community first
2:01:17
village Right outside of us which brings us
2:01:21
to a story that we don't have any
2:01:23
clips for and I should have gotten clips
2:01:24
You don't have any clips.
2:01:25
I mean it comes about the 100 million
2:01:27
dollars of fire aid Los Angeles that went
2:01:32
to nonprofits and in NGOs and disappeared Will
2:01:36
continue with these this outrage mental illnesses or
2:01:40
substance abuse disorders to be forced into treatment
2:01:43
The governor responding to Trump's new executive order
2:01:46
saying it is more focused on creating distracting
2:01:48
headlines than producing a positive Impact about a
2:01:52
year ago Newsom issued an order encouraging cities
2:01:55
in the state to dismantle homeless encampments recently
2:01:58
Criticizing California cities and counties for not doing
2:02:01
enough on this issue.
2:02:03
I'm not interested in funding failure anymore I'm
2:02:05
not I won't time to do your job
2:02:08
people are dying on their watch dying on
2:02:10
their watch Look at these encampments.
2:02:12
They're a disgrace.
2:02:13
They've been there years and years and years
2:02:15
and years I've heard that same rhetoric for
2:02:17
years people are dying How long has Gavin
2:02:20
Newsom been governor years and years What a
2:02:25
douchebag In fact, he was the mayor of
2:02:29
San Francisco when it all really began unbelievable
2:02:34
One more topic before we take a break.
2:02:36
I I had a visit from Texas Slim
2:02:39
Friday You know bring bring boss of meat.
2:02:43
He sure did.
2:02:44
He should Texas Slim.
2:02:45
I've seen on the videos He is slim.
2:02:48
He is very slim and then he's very
2:02:51
recognizable and he you know, he runs the
2:02:53
beef initiative Beef initiative calm and what he's
2:02:57
been saying for years.
2:02:58
He's been saying we're going towards the collapse.
2:03:01
We're not gonna have any more beef He
2:03:04
says is and he's been saying and it's
2:03:06
finally here They have the collapse today.
2:03:09
And finally the collapse is just about to
2:03:11
happen.
2:03:12
He He's down in Kerrville, he brought $10
2:03:15
,000 worth of ground beef to the Mercy
2:03:18
chefs, by the way Expect to be in
2:03:21
the in the flood area the flooded area
2:03:24
for another 12 months It's it's a little
2:03:28
it's you know, it's not like over.
2:03:30
It's not like it went away.
2:03:31
I I hear you Western, North Carolina And
2:03:34
he said he said look at the futures.
2:03:37
Look at what's going on.
2:03:38
There is no more beef Except except with
2:03:42
the beef initiative ranchers And if you want
2:03:44
to fight if you want to get beef
2:03:45
and you want to get it at a
2:03:47
good price You can get it directly from
2:03:49
your rancher There's a lot of them around
2:03:51
the country beef initiative comm but this is
2:03:53
where it's going for the rest of the
2:03:54
country It's peak grilling season But this morning
2:03:58
the growing cost of rising beef prices ground
2:04:01
beef of 10% compared to the same
2:04:03
time last year Steak of 12% Some
2:04:06
stores and restaurants are trying to hold firm
2:04:08
on prices for now our strategy is right
2:04:12
now just absorbing the price and hope hoping
2:04:15
that we see a Reduction after the summer
2:04:19
months are over Ken silver runs a famous
2:04:22
cheesesteak shop in Philadelphia We were closed for
2:04:25
21 months We had sticker shock when we
2:04:29
came back the price of beef when we
2:04:31
left was four dollars and sixty eight Cents
2:04:34
for our choice top-round beef and when
2:04:37
we came back it was over seven dollars
2:04:39
a pound What's to blame for the price
2:04:41
hikes extreme weather is a major factor.
2:04:44
We had droughts in the Midwest That spilled
2:04:47
over into 2023.
2:04:48
We're basically from New Mexico all the way
2:04:50
across To the East Coast where you saw
2:04:53
historic droughts cattle herd sizes now shrinking to
2:04:56
a record low as more farmers Choose to
2:04:59
sell their cattle for meat instead of breeding
2:05:01
due in part to high feed costs Right
2:05:04
now this this is the highest prices.
2:05:07
It's been in history So when they say
2:05:12
high feed price, that's all the GMO crap
2:05:15
that these commodity ranchers feed their cows Yeah,
2:05:19
that stuff just keeps going up in price
2:05:22
GMO corn GMO nonsense, you know as you
2:05:25
leave a cow out in the field They
2:05:26
just eat the grass is there and if
2:05:29
you go look at the panhandle up in
2:05:31
you know, West Texas and above They've got
2:05:34
1.3 million cattle eating grass Just eating
2:05:39
grass and it's amazing when you just let
2:05:42
them eat grass.
2:05:43
They grow they you know You throw a
2:05:45
couple stairs in there a little room and
2:05:47
it's called a ruminant.
2:05:48
Yeah, it's it's well Yeah, it's a type
2:05:51
of animal that's got that can eat grass
2:05:53
I know they just give them grass and
2:05:55
what what do you know all of a
2:05:57
sudden?
2:05:57
So the The beef initiative ranchers they got
2:06:02
beef stop going to the supermarket anyway, Texas
2:06:06
limb prognostication coming true So what do you
2:06:09
come to your place for?
2:06:11
He comes.
2:06:12
Well, first of all, he's been in Kerrville
2:06:14
off some meat.
2:06:15
He dropped off a nice Chuck roast for
2:06:18
me Yes, which he got from one of
2:06:19
the boys in Montana Well, he's in Kerrville
2:06:23
he's been there for weeks and so it's
2:06:25
nice to just come up and you know
2:06:26
I threw some some rib-eyes on the
2:06:29
grill Yeah, we ate some rib-eyes Talk
2:06:32
some smack about the government Yeah, that's what
2:06:35
you do.
2:06:36
It's what you do with your with your
2:06:37
rancher.
2:06:37
Shake your ranchers handy bring you some beef
2:06:40
The way it used to be when we
2:06:41
were feeding the nation I'm talking like slim
2:06:44
now.
2:06:45
That's how Chicago became such a so well
2:06:47
known for its steakhouses Yeah, but it used
2:06:51
to be the the center of the beef
2:06:53
business Well, but where did it come from
2:06:56
they used to be stockyards in Chicago that
2:06:59
word that that covered much of Chicago is
2:07:01
a lot And we're a lot of stockyards.
2:07:04
You're all gone.
2:07:04
And where did they come from?
2:07:05
They came from the panhandle because they had
2:07:08
all the real everywhere.
2:07:09
Well, it was mainly the panhandle They had
2:07:11
all the railroads and the railroads took him
2:07:14
straight into Chicago And that's why he got
2:07:16
the you know, the the commodity exchange there.
2:07:20
That is all forgotten history.
2:07:22
Nobody knows anything Bremer breaking In this case,
2:07:27
I'll be your boomer.
2:07:28
I'll be your boomer go get some good
2:07:29
bait Bamer And with that I want to
2:07:32
thank you for your courage saying the morning
2:07:33
to you the man who put the C
2:07:34
in his catchphrase Still to come say hello
2:07:37
to my friend on the other end the
2:07:38
one the only mr.
2:07:48
Adam Curry in the morning.
2:07:49
I should see boots and roughy the air
2:07:51
subs in the water and In the morning
2:08:01
Man I still got this kovat cough.
2:08:04
It's annoying.
2:08:04
I've been muting myself throughout the whole show.
2:08:06
Uh-huh.
2:08:08
It's nasty 1984 low That's very low.
2:08:12
It's that way was low Thursday.
2:08:13
It's I think it's a bit of it's
2:08:15
the summer doldrums It could be the doldrums.
2:08:18
It could be a lot of things.
2:08:19
Well, what else could I think is a
2:08:20
general slowdown?
2:08:22
I'm seeing a slowdown a slowdown in what
2:08:25
just in everything just a attitude a slowdown
2:08:28
or not Well, you know people are sick
2:08:30
and tired.
2:08:30
They're sick and tired of podcast That's why
2:08:32
the meetups are got less meetups.
2:08:34
We got less money.
2:08:35
We got less people listening against a slowdown
2:08:38
now I think people are getting it's a
2:08:40
it's some sort of a depression.
2:08:42
It's a mental thing that yeah, it has
2:08:44
a lot to do It has something to
2:08:45
do with Trump Yes, I think I think
2:08:48
you're I think people are so sick of
2:08:50
everything They're sick of everything but what are
2:08:53
they doing is the question they're sitting around
2:08:55
asking their AI You know That's a clip.
2:09:00
I didn't get but there was a I'm
2:09:02
gonna try to go dig it up the
2:09:03
but the guy is a local guy or
2:09:05
something.
2:09:05
It was that was Falling in love with
2:09:08
his AI and the AI told him to
2:09:10
go pick up a girl or something and
2:09:11
he did a Arrested the guy because he
2:09:14
was a masher and but he said the
2:09:16
AI told him to do it and they
2:09:18
interviewed the guy He's wearing the red or
2:09:21
the orange jumpsuit.
2:09:22
He's saying it's not my fault.
2:09:25
The AI told me to do it.
2:09:27
I'm Wrong with me.
2:09:28
You told me this wasn't really happening.
2:09:31
You said that's I told you I'm I'm
2:09:33
I'm feeling bad about the fact that I've
2:09:35
been so skeptical about this because it turns
2:09:38
out it is happening Exactly.
2:09:40
And by the way, it's the thing that
2:09:42
Sam Altman fears the most He Counting the
2:09:46
money.
2:09:47
He's a banker.
2:09:47
His bankers not fearing it his car.
2:09:50
He's only like a five million dollar car
2:09:53
He does.
2:09:53
Oh, he's that kind of guy.
2:09:55
He should be driving or you have a
2:09:57
driver and be Or anything he does.
2:10:00
Yes.
2:10:00
He has one.
2:10:01
He's got some exotic car.
2:10:03
That's ridiculous.
2:10:04
Yeah, and he just bought a kid He
2:10:07
bought a kid.
2:10:08
Yeah, he and his husband adopted a four
2:10:10
-month-old.
2:10:11
Oh, I didn't even know he was gay
2:10:13
Oh Doesn't that make it that much better
2:10:18
now John doesn't it make that much better
2:10:20
for you Brother Yeah So he and his
2:10:26
husband adopted a kid.
2:10:28
Yes, and he drives around a five million
2:10:29
dollar car, which is dumb Yeah, it is
2:10:32
kind of dumb Yeah, I mean if I
2:10:35
had five million bucks, I wouldn't be putting
2:10:37
it into a car Well, he's got more
2:10:40
than five million, but even if you have
2:10:41
a billion dollars, you're not gonna know Unless
2:10:44
you're a car nut and now there are
2:10:46
car nuts out there.
2:10:47
Larry Ellison being an example owns all these
2:10:49
cars What kind of cars does he have?
2:10:51
He's got a Bugatti.
2:10:52
I know for a fact a Bugatti and
2:10:55
I caught him at the San Francisco Airport
2:10:58
once in a In a toy.
2:11:02
It was a Toyota.
2:11:03
It was that sports car that they have
2:11:05
it's kind of I can't remember the number
2:11:06
on it and I said and I stopped
2:11:10
I stopped I was going around to pick
2:11:11
somebody up and I stopped and I Come
2:11:14
I said to him.
2:11:15
I said Larry and he said I said,
2:11:18
what are you doing driving that?
2:11:20
And you know just because it was a
2:11:22
get out of my way boomer He said
2:11:26
it's the best car he's ever owned.
2:11:28
He says it's better than the Bugatti Oh,
2:11:31
well, does he have like a sports Bugatti
2:11:33
or a classic Bugatti?
2:11:34
No, he's got no he's got the new
2:11:36
one Got it.
2:11:39
Yeah, Glenn Beck has a Bugatti a classic
2:11:42
Bugatti in his in in the hall of
2:11:45
his studio.
2:11:46
Well, that's worth probably a fortune probably It's
2:11:50
beautiful.
2:11:51
I mean, I think he drives he drives
2:11:52
a like some kind of Bentley Sport Continental
2:11:56
are He drives Beck drives around a Bentley
2:12:00
Continental.
2:12:01
Yeah.
2:12:01
Yeah with it with orange striping.
2:12:03
It's kind of cool I Friend of mine.
2:12:07
He has one of those things.
2:12:08
I drove it once it's a hell of
2:12:10
a nice car.
2:12:10
Oh, it's got pickup Well, yeah, it's got
2:12:14
I think four hundred fifty horse.
2:12:16
Oh, yeah, that's still different than a five
2:12:18
million dollar car Yeah with an electric one
2:12:20
at that which is so stupid.
2:12:22
What?
2:12:23
Yeah.
2:12:23
Oh, yeah.
2:12:24
It's an electric car.
2:12:26
Oh Brother.
2:12:27
Yeah.
2:12:27
Oh, let me see.
2:12:28
Here.
2:12:28
We are now two boomers talking about cars
2:12:30
Evie.
2:12:31
Let's just see what it well that's our
2:12:33
future is a car talk Yeah, probably.
2:12:37
Let me see the car he has is
2:12:42
No, he hasn't oh he's his car collection.
2:12:45
He has a McLaren f1 a Tesla Roadster
2:12:47
and why everybody has one of those the
2:12:50
Doesn't say Forget what it was.
2:12:53
It was some crazy thing.
2:12:54
Anyway, it matters not we thank the trolls
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summer day in the summer I think it's
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just July John.
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I don't think it's anything anything other than
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it's just July people are tuning They're tuning
2:13:15
out dropping out man.
2:13:16
They're tuning in and dropping out.
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They're just They're just like dropping out and
2:13:20
going out into nature.
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I think I think we've told people we
2:13:24
have Really taught people how to turn off
2:13:27
and they do that.
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There's like, okay I just got to go
2:13:30
and I got to go touch the grass
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Adam and John told me to do it
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it was no doubt The funniest piece the
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I I got a little lecture from JC
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our in-house AI a guy Alright, the
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yellow channel is being is exaggerated because the
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yellow channel it turns out is being used
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as Steganography people don't know this but they're
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They're hiding stuff in the in the images
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in the yellow channel Specifically the yellow channel.
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So there's a lot of yellow on these
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images.
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Hmm And the steganography contains everything and contains
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the prompt it contains your name If you're
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if you're logged in it contains everything.
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It's like, you know, it's beyond an exit
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file in a JPEG It's got all this
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data Information about you when you made the
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image what you what the prompts were and
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what prompts you change Why does that have
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to turn orange then?
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Well, I guess it jacks up the yellow
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channel is the only thing I can think
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of but this it has something to do
2:17:14
with The hackers have been trying to crack
2:17:16
it hmm to get the information out, but
2:17:20
it's been it's been concealed and Now I'm
2:17:25
also told that the that the chat GPT
2:17:32
Writing if you depending on how you do
2:17:35
the cut and paste there's a bunch of
2:17:37
I Don't know how they do this either,
2:17:40
but they're putting Metadata inside within the file
2:17:45
structure in such a way that it tells
2:17:48
everyone that this is an AI Generated thing
2:17:51
and in some and you can now it's
2:17:53
like it allows you to buy a product
2:17:56
that can identify AI Well sold by the
2:18:00
same company.
2:18:01
It seems that this would be used for
2:18:02
something else which is to I Would say
2:18:07
they're using it to prevent model collapse Oh
2:18:10
AI image, let's identify it Let's segregate it.
2:18:13
So we don't ingest that is real That
2:18:16
could be that would be a more a
2:18:17
logical explanation other than we're gonna sell some
2:18:20
other stupid product to you Oh, did you
2:18:23
come on?
2:18:24
Well, that's we're gonna sell some other stupid
2:18:26
product to you is a great idea We
2:18:28
need more power more power to sell stupid
2:18:32
product There's a lot of information in these
2:18:35
images that we don't see or know about
2:18:37
and I guess in the stuff that Chad
2:18:40
GPT cranks out in terms of text and
2:18:44
it's all Wonder how they do that.
2:18:46
Although I was watching him I wonder how
2:18:48
they do it to JC says somehow it's
2:18:50
incorporated in the white space and I don't
2:18:52
know how that even works Hmm.
2:18:54
I was there was something I was watching
2:18:57
Were they trained?
2:19:00
One model on owls and And so they
2:19:04
had the models just generate numbers And so
2:19:08
it was just generating what seemed to be
2:19:10
all these random numbers They then took those
2:19:13
random numbers trained a separate model on it
2:19:16
and that model then all of a sudden
2:19:18
was Was giving owls as the answer for
2:19:21
a lot of things Model collapses imminence.
2:19:24
I can't wait for it.
2:19:25
It can't happen soon enough.
2:19:27
I'm excited I'm excited whenever here's here's one
2:19:30
way for people to say AI sucks, man
2:19:33
That's what I'm waiting for and I'm already
2:19:36
there with this.
2:19:37
Well, you've been there since day one pretty
2:19:40
much Yeah, you're just a you're like a
2:19:42
Luddite.
2:19:43
No, I'm a realist I'm a humanist thing.
2:19:48
I'm a humanist.
2:19:49
That's what they said too.
2:19:50
Yeah.
2:19:50
Well, they were French What they what they
2:19:54
French it was the French well, it was
2:19:56
the we had to do with the jacquard
2:19:58
Loom is where it started.
2:20:00
So maybe they probably were French.
2:20:01
Yeah French anyway, as we looked over the
2:20:05
over the options we had Orange dead people
2:20:08
that would be Ozzie and Hulk we had
2:20:11
Just orange orange orange was no the only
2:20:16
thing digital 2112 man tried to do some
2:20:19
blue There was nothing else it's all dumb
2:20:23
The only thing I kind of like just
2:20:25
because it was not usable because it meant
2:20:27
nothing It was you and I looking at
2:20:29
a blue piece of art on the wall
2:20:31
by scaramanga And the only thing I liked
2:20:33
about is it actually looked like us from
2:20:35
behind That was that was the only thing
2:20:39
was there anything else we even discussed?
2:20:40
I don't think so But yeah, there was
2:20:43
a lot discussed.
2:20:44
Well, no, we did not discuss anything.
2:20:46
We just went over it now What do
2:20:49
you like oh you liked compute this by
2:20:51
Nick the rat I did I don't know
2:20:54
why I liked it orange more orange That
2:21:01
means he's using too many prompts.
2:21:02
That's what my new thesis is Thank you
2:21:06
very much digital 2112 man for for prompting
2:21:09
your way into the Hall of Fame On
2:21:12
the no agenda art generator anybody and again,
2:21:14
we would love to see sir.
2:21:17
Paul couture I think I sent him a
2:21:18
note about it to allow animated gifs because
2:21:21
that would be the next version of artwork
2:21:23
the animated gifs will work as Artwork for
2:21:27
for podcast apps.
2:21:28
I think it will actually animate in your
2:21:30
podcast app if you use it I don't
2:21:32
know about Apple, but I know the modern
2:21:33
ones will so that would be kind of
2:21:35
cool to test out And otherwise just just
2:21:39
put a model in there So people just
2:21:41
go to the website and tape type something
2:21:43
in make it easy bypass it all let's
2:21:46
get more slop in there As soon as
2:21:48
possible so we can bring back real artists
2:21:52
It's just the thought I think your thesis
2:21:55
might be right again when you said that
2:21:57
the Metadata might be preventing that collapse from
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happening.
2:22:01
Well so far.
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Japan the rising Sun?
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I mean I have red white blue I
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You've been wearing him.
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I wear him a lot.
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I just got you weren't you just wear
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day mastered socks, they're the first ones I
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you prefer over others?
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Yeah Hmm dear John and Adam I felt
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Archduke of Japan and all the disputed islands
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I'm surprised.
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She didn't mention that Excellent Excellent matches the
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Sorry, they are dancing monkey-like First can
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John replace the word bullshit with Apocryphal apocryphal,
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what is that apocryphal?
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What is that?
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What does that mean into the world?
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Okay So would you please say apocryphal dance
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apocryphal?
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Second John again, can you do a live
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head bonk out soundbite and turn it into
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a jingle?
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Just go in my room and eat an
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apple.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's got more requests then yeah, this is
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this is so weird Okay So what he
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with Well, you want me to pound the
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We hit people in the mouth Just
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For a second here you probably saw the
2:46:06
president went to first time since 1932 the
2:46:10
president went to the Federal Reserve to go
2:46:13
talk to Jay Powell So here these two
2:46:16
numbskulls wearing hard hats and of course This
2:46:19
was a moment that the mainstream media just
2:46:21
lumped jumping all just jumped all over The
2:46:28
extraordinary moment playing out of the Federal Reserve
2:46:30
building late today in front of cameras President
2:46:32
Trump and the Federal Reserve chair I'm at
2:46:34
the president's continuing pressure on Jerome Powell to
2:46:36
bring rates down Today the sudden move by
2:46:39
the president the numbers he pulled out Jerome
2:46:42
Powell been reading them in real time and
2:46:43
shooting them down Tonight an extraordinary scene at
2:46:49
the Federal Reserve as President Trump ramps up
2:46:51
his effort to pressure Fed chair Jerome Powell
2:46:54
to lower interest rates Trump making a rare
2:46:57
visit to the Fed to challenge Powell on
2:46:59
the building's multi-billion dollar renovation with cameras
2:47:03
rolling Trump pulling out a sheet of paper
2:47:05
Trying to surprise the Fed chair with a
2:47:07
new price tag for the project But Powell
2:47:09
telling the president that number factors in construction
2:47:12
that was completed five years ago It looks
2:47:15
like it's about 3.1 billion one up
2:47:17
a little bit or a lot So the
2:47:20
2.7 is now 3.1 I haven't
2:47:27
heard that from anybody I Know said it
2:47:35
about 3.1 as well 3.1 3
2:47:37
.2. This came from us.
2:47:39
Yes.
2:47:40
I don't know who does that Now you're
2:47:44
including the Martin renovation just a tire capital
2:47:47
you just said you just added in a
2:47:49
third building is what that is That's a
2:47:50
third building.
2:47:51
It's a building that's being built.
2:47:53
No, it's been it was built five years
2:47:55
ago We finished Martin five years over as
2:47:58
part of the overall So we're gonna take
2:48:02
a look but reporters then asking Generally speaking,
2:48:12
what would I do?
2:48:14
I'd fire him.
2:48:15
So this this whole thing is just baffling
2:48:19
to me 3.1 2.7 Billion before
2:48:25
offices They don't know that but they're already
2:48:28
built as you do renovation is the 2
2:48:30
.7 Do you know what it costs to
2:48:32
build the entire Bellagio in Las Vegas?
2:48:36
800 million no one's 1.6 billion and
2:48:39
that's expensive.
2:48:40
That was the most expensive building at the
2:48:41
time 1.6 billion to do the entire
2:48:44
Bellagio and is costing 2.7 to do
2:48:47
a Renovation yeah, I mean and that's a
2:48:50
scam at MSNBC the whole more Yeah, he
2:48:57
did but but the real the real information
2:49:01
is not discussed at all Which is the
2:49:05
whole reason why I think the main I
2:49:08
don't know.
2:49:08
I'm not the Fed chair but this is
2:49:11
the real reason that President Trump wants to
2:49:14
make some changes and this was in the
2:49:17
Statements of the press afterwards, which of course
2:49:20
no one no one aired.
2:49:21
Why would you if it's high never helps
2:49:23
it?
2:49:24
Well, it's already as good as we're doing
2:49:26
Think of how well would be do it
2:49:28
would be like a rocket ship as good
2:49:30
as we're doing We do better if we
2:49:32
had lower interest rates and we should we're
2:49:34
prime Don't forget without us the whole world
2:49:37
collapses So we should have the lowest interest
2:49:39
rate because you know, you could talk about
2:49:41
Switzerland You can talk about wonderful countries.
2:49:43
No debt.
2:49:44
No, but without us everything collapses We should
2:49:47
have the lowest interest rate And if you
2:49:49
took it down three points not a little
2:49:51
bit but three points if you got us
2:49:54
down to one We would save more than
2:49:56
a trillion dollars basically with just a paper
2:49:59
transfer You wouldn't be cutting costs of anything
2:50:02
You wouldn't be building anything just a a
2:50:05
move of the hand saying we're gonna lower
2:50:07
interest rates You would save a trillion dollars
2:50:11
a year and there's there's nothing you can
2:50:13
do to save that kind of money So
2:50:15
so well, we we had a little talk
2:50:18
about it and I thought it was a
2:50:19
very productive talk He'll be able to tell
2:50:22
you at his next meeting But I will
2:50:23
say that he did say the country is
2:50:26
doing really well and the country is really
2:50:28
doing well What would happen in your opinion?
2:50:34
If by some miraculous happenstance The Federal Reserve
2:50:39
lowered the interest rate by three points in
2:50:42
one go What would happen Well, first of
2:50:47
all, the housing market would go nuts.
2:50:50
Yeah, everyone would start buying houses Yeah, and
2:50:53
it would be the prices of houses would
2:50:55
just skyrocket.
2:50:57
Mm-hmm.
2:50:57
I mean to an extreme and the other
2:51:01
thing is the stock market would probably spend
2:51:04
about three or four days trying to figure
2:51:06
out whether this was good or bad and
2:51:09
then Perhaps start to go up to an
2:51:12
extreme that's uncomfortable Things would it would wouldn't
2:51:17
be a bet.
2:51:18
I mean It's not it wouldn't hurt anything
2:51:21
and we could refi the country overnight We
2:51:24
could refi the debt that we have to
2:51:25
pay back with a year.
2:51:26
Yeah, you refi would be a good idea
2:51:29
Yeah, that's how he saves the trillion dollars
2:51:32
by a refi so But they're not gonna
2:51:36
do it.
2:51:37
I mean, I don't know why we actually
2:51:38
have high the high Switzerland I think is
2:51:41
down to like 1.5 is really low
2:51:43
all of the EU is down to 2
2:51:44
Yeah, it's down.
2:51:46
We're actually artificially high.
2:51:48
It doesn't make any sense Well, is that
2:51:50
just political because he doesn't actually want Trump
2:51:54
to refi the country and say look I
2:51:56
saved this a trillion dollars It has to
2:51:59
be Well, that's an outrage.
2:52:02
I mean he did lower the interest rates
2:52:04
just before the Paris, you know Out of
2:52:08
the blue they said well, let's lower it
2:52:09
now and make the economy kind of perk
2:52:11
up a bit Yeah, and it did and
2:52:14
then he hasn't done anything since And he
2:52:18
was hired by Trump to begin with I
2:52:21
don't know what the thing is who's going
2:52:22
on there He could have been just the
2:52:24
bad advice Trump received for the first term
2:52:27
He was just everything was he put people
2:52:29
in there one person after another that were
2:52:32
just bad.
2:52:33
Yeah Right on cue which is exactly what
2:52:37
I would have done if I had the
2:52:39
Epstein scandal I'd Jack everything up and say
2:52:43
hey, you know what now?
2:52:45
I got everybody everybody believing that I that
2:52:47
I got Colbert fired Let's approve the merger
2:52:51
some news closer to home here at CBS
2:52:52
The Federal Communications Commission has approved the planned
2:52:55
merger between Paramount Global our parent company here
2:52:58
at CBS and Skydance Media It's a decision
2:53:01
that clears the way for Skydance is eight
2:53:02
billion dollar acquisition of Paramount and its subsidiaries
2:53:06
which include the CBS television network and its
2:53:09
owned and operated stations the FCC approval comes
2:53:12
after Paramount agreed to a 16 million dollar
2:53:15
settlement with President Trump over his allegation that
2:53:18
60 minutes Deceptively edited an interview with Democratic
2:53:22
nominee Kamala Harris an accusation that Paramount has
2:53:24
said was completely without merit Yeah, that's what
2:53:28
I do that's hilarious Yeah, prove it approve
2:53:31
it now and then you know what call
2:53:33
up those boys Call up those and those
2:53:36
cartoon boys.
2:53:37
Let him release the the new season.
2:53:38
This is hilarious Go go go go in
2:53:41
their season premiere South Park's co-creators Trey
2:53:44
Parker and Matt Stone are at it again
2:53:47
This time mocking President Trump's ego his manhood
2:53:51
and pension The episode has the White House
2:53:55
seeing red This show hasn't been relevant for
2:53:58
over 20 years and is hanging on by
2:54:00
a thread with uninspired ideas and a desperate
2:54:03
attempt for attention President Trump has delivered on
2:54:06
more promises in just six months than any
2:54:09
other President in our country's history and no
2:54:11
fourth-rate show can derail President Trump's hot
2:54:14
streak MAGA fans to reacted on social media
2:54:18
with many complaining that South Park had sold
2:54:21
out or caught a case of Trump Derangement
2:54:23
syndrome stone and Parker were asked to weigh
2:54:26
in on the uproar The episode also took
2:54:35
aim at South Park's new parent company Paramount
2:54:38
and its controversial Decision to pay Trump 16
2:54:41
million dollars to settle a lawsuit as well
2:54:44
as its Cancellation of the popular CBS program
2:54:47
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert The premiere
2:54:54
aired just hours after Parker and Stone signed
2:54:57
a five-year deal with Paramount For 50
2:55:00
new episodes and rights to stream previous seasons
2:55:03
Supported to be worth one and a half
2:55:06
billion dollars Yeah, I have not seen I've
2:55:10
seen all the clips clips of the episode
2:55:12
I just want to go see it and
2:55:16
I thought because I have HBO That I
2:55:19
would get it automatically, but they don't have
2:55:21
the new the new season.
2:55:24
I Don't know why and I'm not gonna
2:55:26
go buy Paramount streaming.
2:55:28
They have it on YouTube the full episode
2:55:31
No, they have the part that's controversial Yeah,
2:55:35
I know, but what if I just want
2:55:36
to see the whole episode I have to
2:55:38
buy Paramount to wait I gotta do that.
2:55:41
Well Paramount's who nobody does that No, I
2:55:44
wouldn't think so But the skydancing was gonna
2:55:48
go through no matter what of course now
2:55:50
that they have taken over They don't have
2:55:52
to fire Colbert I think Colbert is gonna
2:55:54
get let go before the May deadline is
2:55:57
gonna be bought out.
2:55:58
I won't put money on that Yeah, I'll
2:56:01
put ten bucks on it no, let's go
2:56:03
five Okay, so the bet would be that
2:56:06
Colbert last the whole to to me yeah,
2:56:09
oh he's gotta have a big goodbye and
2:56:13
all the Celebrities will come by in the
2:56:15
last week.
2:56:16
Okay.
2:56:17
Talk me out of the bet that It'll
2:56:21
be they'll finally get some ratings on that
2:56:23
show.
2:56:24
What are you talking about?
2:56:24
And so right the writers and that 200
2:56:28
person staff, yeah, they're getting they're getting axed
2:56:30
early now the Show that's tar.
2:56:35
I think there's gonna be targeted as comedy
2:56:36
central with Jon Stewart.
2:56:38
Yes.
2:56:39
Yes So the skydance guys are gonna have
2:56:43
to take care of that themselves We'll see
2:56:45
how it works out.
2:56:46
Do we not understand that it is time
2:56:48
it is time for linear Programming to just
2:56:51
go away.
2:56:52
It's not of this world anymore Linear hanging
2:56:55
in there.
2:56:55
I like the fact that the View is
2:56:58
taking a the nasty word hiatus.
2:57:01
Yeah, what happened there?
2:57:02
Do we know out of the blue?
2:57:04
We're going on a hiatus and you know
2:57:06
what that means.
2:57:07
Well, maybe there's just a vacation.
2:57:09
Maybe it's just July We didn't say vacation.
2:57:11
They didn't say that.
2:57:12
Well, no we in television in television land.
2:57:15
We say hiatus We're on hiatus when you're
2:57:19
done.
2:57:19
We're on hiatus this Thursday John.
2:57:22
Whoa No, we're not Taking a date.
2:57:25
We're taking a show off and the show
2:57:26
is still gonna be produced It's gonna be
2:57:28
a dynamite show and it's got you know,
2:57:30
it'll be fine.
2:57:31
It'll be great.
2:57:32
Well You I think you mentioned this to
2:57:34
me right after the show on Sunday and
2:57:38
I was like I hadn't heard about this
2:57:39
But yes, it's true next Amazon founder Jeff
2:57:42
Bezos fresh off that lavish wedding in Venice
2:57:45
Maybe looking to expand his media empire already
2:57:47
owns the Washington Post and now he's reportedly
2:57:50
thinking about buying CNBC That is according to
2:57:53
the New York Post, but Bezos does not
2:57:55
comment My understanding he's gonna buy the whole
2:58:01
thing he's gonna buy MSNBC CNBC that whole
2:58:04
group He's not just buying see it.
2:58:06
They're not spinning it off.
2:58:08
Just see that has to be part of
2:58:10
the whole pack He gets spin co spin
2:58:11
co spin go.
2:58:13
What will he call it?
2:58:15
Bezos television Amazon TV Amazon TV is not
2:58:22
bad the Amazon Network He could fold it
2:58:25
into Amazon.
2:58:25
That's interesting That's a way to go He
2:58:29
could fold it into prime.
2:58:31
He should let his new wife.
2:58:32
They can do live streaming.
2:58:34
Yeah on prime and They're never gonna take
2:58:39
it off of cable because that's still the
2:58:41
money the carriage fees is still the money
2:58:43
No, but that but the but the dildos
2:58:45
still transcoded and running off a straight off
2:58:49
of Amazon, too Because because if it's on
2:58:52
Amazon well, I guess if people pay it's
2:58:55
such it's free money the cable station Yeah,
2:58:58
well money.
2:58:59
Yeah Okay, there is some issues with doing
2:59:03
both.
2:59:03
I agree.
2:59:04
But why is he doing because he really
2:59:06
wants to be because the CIA Knocked on
2:59:10
the door and said hey look.
2:59:11
Hey, look we did we're gonna lose control
2:59:13
of this little outlet We want you'd bought
2:59:16
the Washington Post for us, which is as
2:59:18
Steve Bannon mentioned is called the CIA bugle
2:59:22
and Not to see it's no it's not
2:59:25
it's the where's the CIA located In Langley
2:59:32
the Langley bugle.
2:59:33
I think he called it the Langley bugle
2:59:35
not the Langley bugle.
2:59:36
Okay Yeah, but you got that now you're
2:59:39
gonna have to help us out here And
2:59:42
we'll keep Contracting with your servers to do
2:59:46
to do our backhand and that's what you
2:59:48
know Cuz he's got most of that business.
2:59:50
So you think he's kind of does what
2:59:51
he had what he's told Do you think
2:59:53
Sanchez is his handler?
2:59:55
It makes a lot of sense.
2:59:56
Actually, I think about it Wow Huh?
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Yeah, that's an interesting theory.
3:00:03
Why not?
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Yeah, I could be she could be the
3:00:07
handler.
3:00:08
Yeah Hmm Anyway, good luck to him.
3:00:12
That's great.
3:00:13
Keep keep it going Jeff.
3:00:15
We need clips Yeah, that's true.
3:00:18
We need clips and Places a goldmine you
3:00:21
got anything to to play us out with
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cuz we know I can play us out
3:00:25
with a little fish poaching You want to
3:00:26
talk about fish poaching, you know, I kind
3:00:28
of an interesting story.
3:00:29
I thought you'd never asked about fish poaching
3:00:32
Fish poaching fish poachers, there are small fishing
3:00:35
boats and then there are industrial fishing ships
3:00:39
They're basically floating factories at sea Imagine a
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huge vessel on the water that is pulling
3:00:46
in just vast vast quantities of fish Jennifer
3:00:50
Rainer is a natural resource economist at the
3:00:53
University of Wisconsin, Madison She says these massive
3:00:56
boats catch fish Process it freeze it and
3:00:59
then other boats come to pick it up
3:01:01
So the operation doesn't have to stop sometimes
3:01:04
these boats can be out there for two
3:01:07
years at a time Just fishing non-stop
3:01:09
in places that they never could have reached
3:01:11
before These large vessels are now responsible for
3:01:14
most of the global seafood catch Rainer says
3:01:17
many of these ships now have GPS transponders
3:01:20
that report their position But there are still
3:01:23
blind spots those blind spots are that captains
3:01:27
can disable this device and you might expect
3:01:30
that you'd be more likely to do that
3:01:31
if you're doing things that are illegal and
3:01:34
Many vessels are not required to use this
3:01:36
system It's been hard to figure out the
3:01:39
impact of these dark vessels as they're known
3:01:41
are having on marine life Now new technology
3:01:45
is helping radar from European satellites is able
3:01:48
to detect large vessels on the ocean Rainer
3:01:51
and our colleagues use all that tracking data
3:01:53
to see how many vessels were in marine
3:01:56
protected areas places where fishing is banned Wow,
3:02:00
I am kind of sorry I asked for
3:02:02
this.
3:02:03
Yeah, you should be But I still amazed
3:02:06
by a ship that's just sits out there
3:02:08
grabbing fish like there's no tomorrow for two
3:02:10
years Well, yeah, what a job that's got
3:02:14
to be you must not like women Perhaps
3:02:17
surprisingly given how hard monitoring is and how
3:02:20
vast these spaces can be We found that
3:02:23
poaching is surprisingly rare almost 80% of
3:02:26
the protected areas had no industrial fishing activity
3:02:29
Which Rainer published in the journal science?
3:02:32
I think it's a very hopeful sign for
3:02:34
conservation At a bare minimum.
3:02:36
We need compliance right a study by other
3:02:39
researchers also use the same tracking data Raphael
3:02:42
Sagan of the University of Montpellier in France
3:02:45
looked at a bigger group of protected areas
3:02:47
places with some protections But that still allows
3:02:50
some fishing he found industrial fishing going on
3:02:54
in about half of them Two-thirds of
3:02:56
industrial fishing in these marine protected areas were
3:02:59
untracked They were invisible to public tracking systems
3:03:02
And that means that we have underestimated what
3:03:04
is actually going on in marine protected areas
3:03:06
Almost 200 countries have agreed to protect 30
3:03:09
% of the ocean by 2030 Today, it's
3:03:13
only about 8% But Sagan says if
3:03:15
there's industrial fishing in these protected areas that
3:03:18
goal doesn't mean much Every area of the
3:03:21
ocean that can be fished is fished today
3:03:24
So that's a big issue because when we
3:03:26
say we want to protect 30% of
3:03:28
the ocean most of the time it's false
3:03:31
Protection, but Sagan says the potential is that
3:03:34
these new satellite technologies could help countries with
3:03:37
enforcement By tracking illegal fishing in real time
3:03:40
so protected areas of the ocean will actually
3:03:43
be protected Well, yeah, I'm sorry.
3:03:47
I got those.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, but but I will say it's educational
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people now No, and do you know what
3:03:53
the oh, is it raining?
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Oh, it just started pouring.
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Do you know what the Yeah, just start
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pouring all of a sudden You know what
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the what the main?
3:04:03
catch is of these poachers Sharks mackerel.
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Oh now you've connected the dots Imagine all
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the people who could do that The car
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we got John's tip of the day we
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got real some three a real toe-tapper
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for you end of show mix Of course,
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We've got some meetup reports and right now
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roundtable, sir Well, despite
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what John tells you we do have meetups
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on the calendar I mean the people are
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still organizing meetups all around the world.
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No agenda meetups calm Remember we got the
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big one coming up in Tokyo But first
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we have a report from the Central Ohio
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meetup group in the morning John and Adam
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sir PBR Street gang coming to you from
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Dempsey's downtown Columbus, sir Larry's group of scallywags
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It's 6 1 4 6 6 6 6
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9 6 9 in the morning bags slappers
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Local representative of the peasantry here John you
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need to go back on who are these
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You got to get on who are these
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podcasts your new exit strategy?
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Grifters in the dabble verse keep on trucking.
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Stay safe You're more than welcome not every
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single meetup is big but two people even
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one and a dog you got a meetup
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Victoria British Columbia Alright, this is sir rogue
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of the taverns baron of the Cowichan Valley
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at the Victoria meetup on Friday July 25th
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2025 and with me here today It's ITM
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There we go.
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There's the meetup report for the Victoria meetup
3:14:02
Hope everyone joins us.
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We'll be doing this again in about two
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weeks No, he pinched the dog I like
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the word of that report That was awesome,
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and I sound like a very native Dutch
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speaker there and we had at that meetup.
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Thank you very much We have a meetup
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taking place this Wednesday.
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It is July 30th We told you all
3:14:25
about us the emergency meetup and birthday celebration
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for sir Sebastian of the Gitmo lowlands That
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Cy bloom.
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See why BL you and me in Shibuya?
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Shibuya Japan Tokyo Japan sir Mark Archduke of
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It's hours of fun.
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You will laugh.
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This is a good show North Georgia monthly
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meetup Takes place at 6 o'clock at
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Cherry Street Brewing in Alpharetta, Georgia many more
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to come in August, Victoria British Columbia Eagle,
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Idaho Bedford, Texas Copenhagen Denmark Blaine, Washington, Charlotte,
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North Carolina Maastricht the Netherlands Cleveland, Ohio Hello,
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Cleveland Mayfield Heights, Ohio Alpharetta, Georgia again And
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there's many more go to no agenda meetups
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calm to find the entire list if you
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can't find one on that list No problem.
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You can start one yourself.
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They are indeed always like a party and
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that's pretty much baked into the whole idea
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Guaranteed time for us to select some ISOs
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for the end of the show.
3:15:57
I see you have to John I'm not
3:15:59
even gonna ask if you found them yourself
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of the AI generated doesn't matter I'll start
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with mine.
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These guys are smart.
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They're hard-working.
3:16:07
They're motivated.
3:16:08
They want more more Tad on the long
3:16:12
side They have this one full-body They
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couldn't understand it, okay, how about this one
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that's just propaganda Cute I kind of like
3:16:25
that one.
3:16:26
What do you have?
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I don't have anything good either.
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Oh, okay.
3:16:31
Let's start with what do we got?
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Let's do with the podcasts wherever you get
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your podcasts Oh, no No No, no, then
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the other one is of support.
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I hope you'll consider supporting us Muddley I
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hope you'll consider supporting How about this?
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That's just propaganda.
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Come on.
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That's loud.
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That's proud Propaganda we're not doing propaganda on
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the show just propaganda, but it's not about
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just it's of course.
3:16:59
We're not propaganda That's just propaganda.
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It's the best ISO.
3:17:02
It sounds the best And it's insulting, okay,
3:17:07
what do you want then?
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Well, did you get that's the only choice
3:17:10
we've got really?
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What we have no choice.
3:17:14
What was the first one the first one
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the first one was?
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And it's too long these guys are smart
3:17:23
they're hard-working they're motivated they want more
3:17:25
more But you know if you took they
3:17:28
want more and more off it'd be perfect.
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These guys are smart.
3:17:32
They're hard-working.
3:17:33
They're motivated They want more more.
3:17:35
Okay, I could take that I could I
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could edit them and just make sure me
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I can edit that Yeah, it's shorter and
3:17:40
better.
3:17:40
It'll be like this.
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These guys are smart.
3:17:42
They're hard-working.
3:17:43
They're motivated right there.
3:17:45
Boom Hey before we do anything it's time
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for John's tip of the day Yeah,
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I have a website selection That's very valuable
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for people who like to at least see
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who's talking to him We're sending him email
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or anything and it's the best of the
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There's a bunch of these things as he
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IP location net Okay, what kind of thing
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is this that's interesting IP location net yeah,
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and it it it tells you where it's
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basically a Finds your IP address that you
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put an IP address and it tells you
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where you are But it doesn't just do
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So you get a bunch of possibilities Okay,
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so is it gonna fight so is it
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going to find my my address now Yeah,
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as soon as you load it, it will
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Let's see how it does.
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Okay So let me paste this in here.
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Let me see IP lookup.
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Oh Wait, I didn't do it IP location
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net.
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Yeah.
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No, I'm that I know but I'm clicking
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the button I'm quick says I'm in Greatwood,
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Texas awesome I Now put it somebody else's
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IP address and it'll give you like eight
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selections and whether there's six Oh, I hold
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on a second.
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Now.
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This one says I'm in Kyle.
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This one says I'm in Dallas.
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Oh Fredericksburg.
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There it is.
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Okay All right, one of the we got
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we got a sugar land hmm Interesting in
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most cases it's all the same but some
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flaky IP guys that you know Since they're
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all over the place, I don't know what
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network you're on.
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They'll give you some estimates I don't like
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flaky IP guys.
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Those guys are no good.
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No, all right.
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to escape the heat The new shows talk
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about me baby say I'm doing it wrong
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But don't you worry baby Staying right here
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I'm a lover and a weak swimmer.
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Can't play my music in the sun I'm
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a joker crack smoker gonna be much broker
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The government wants that In the water making
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brothers sick and crazy they're complacent to the
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bargain basement politician shady in the way to
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treat the people It is certainly no maybe
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that the end of my control, which is
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why Florida's KG We
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know that Martin
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Luther King jr.
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Was shot, but what media don't tell us
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is the government plot They expecting us to
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beat them.
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Listen full of brain rot that might fool
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a lot of folk, but to me nah
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CIA and MKUltra taking control of our minds
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So they're complacent, indecent, sarcastic governmental crimes on
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mainstream media Bought by spooks who tell them
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what to decide So they gaslight with straw
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men which is why the news is KG
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Have you heard the news?
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The
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government wants that money You These
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guys are smart they're hard-working they're motivated
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