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She's a Chinese spy. Adam Curry, John C. Devorah. It's
Sunday, May 24th, 2026. This is your award-winning Get More
Nation Media Assassination, episode 1871. This is no agenda. I'm
casting my-- The live music capital of the world, in
the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from northern Silicon
Valley, well I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's the refinery row.
We wish everybody a happy Memorial Day. I'm John C.
Borak. I'm Buzzkill. *laughs* You know, by the time you...
Smooth as silk. Smooth... Nailed it. By the time you
get home, you'll be saying refinery row. I don't know
where I am. You won't know anything. I don't know
anything now. Here I am in the biodome in Nashville,
Tennessee. What's a biodome? Better known as the Gaylord Opryland
Hotel. Yeah. Why is it called a biodome? Because you're
entirely enclosed in a dome. Oh, I've been to that
place once. Yeah, you're right. You know what I'm talking
about. Yeah. And so it could be raining, could be
sunny. You don't know. It's a constant, like 70 degrees,
72 degrees. And everywhere you go, you're just inside the
biodome. It's big. It's troubling once you realize, I've been
in this biodome for three days. It's a bit much.
So, um. Yeah, since you asked, we are here for
the K-Love... Music Awards. The big Gay Love of Music
Awards! That's right! Gay Love is, they own pretty much
every single contemporary Christian music radio station in the country.
Although I don't know if that's going to benefit them
long term, but they do have streams. And so every
top name in the Nashville music business is here performing
live. doing worship services. Performing live! Doing worship services. We
had a great service this morning with Bethel Worship. No,
I mean, it's music. Like, you get 2,000, 3,000 people.
We're all worshiping. And the great pastor from, what's his
name? His name is Levi Lusko from... He's from Montana,
but originally from California. Did a great message. And so
we're just getting our buckets filled here. What was his
message? His message was what to do when you're spiraling.
And it was good. It would have worked for... Were
you spiraling? No, but I have. I mean, I have.
I mean, we've all spiraled at some... point you've never
spiraled I don't know what it means where you just
you feel bad you're down you're depressed you're not doing
well bad all the time John's in a constant spiral
exactly exactly now before we get started I don't think
this has ever happened to me on an airplane before.
I've been recognized for, you know, all kinds of different
things. You were called out at the beginning and they
sang a song to you, Happy Birthday? No, they didn't.
So I'm kind of, I'm like half asleep. I got
the hearing aids in, so you couldn't tell that I
was listening to anything. And I'm listening to Tucker Carlson
go on and on and on about. the Jews and
Israel. And so I'm kind of, you know, like drifting
off and I feel a hand on my arm. And
I hear, hold on a second. Let me turn off
my phone here. ITM! And it was Audra, our flight
attendant on our Delta flight to Nashville. And I don't
think I've ever, ever had a flight attendant come up.
to me and throwing in the morning at me. Nice.
Yeah. And she's like, I've been listening for six years.
I love, I love what you guys are doing. You've
been so great. You've been so helpful. And then her,
her colleague, Carla was like, man, I got to listen
to your podcast. Cause Audra's like jumping up and down.
She can't believe it. that she's met you guys. So
it was really nice. You got an extra listener. That's
what counts. And we got extra peanuts. Yeah. One at
a time. Oh, and you got free. Oh, free. Probably
get a guy who's anyway. Yeah. So I wanted to
say. So you were talking about some some issues you
have with the gear. Oh, man, I had a drive
fail. um an SSD drive. Solid state? Yeah, solid state.
Although it was like half failing and then it kind
of came back up. But that screws up a lot
of things when that happens. So then you got to
plug in the other drive. You got to remap everything.
I got the road gear. Although it's, I mean, it's
Linux. Remember, it's Linux. It's amazing any of this stuff
works. But here it is functioning. Knock on wood. Holy
Spirit, take us through the whole day. We'll be good.
So, yeah. And... It's good to be on the air
with you. as it were. Well, the first thing I'd
like to say is apparently. uh the vice president had
to turn around and come right back to dc President
Trump didn't go to his son's wedding in the Bahamas.
Even though he was already married, but the wedding ceremony,
because It sounds like we have a deal. We've got
a deal. Yeah, another deal. And I saw you had
clips, so I'm trusting that you've got clips about the
deal. I got the deal analyzed. The deal, the so-called
deal that's in Trump, I believe is in Trump's mind.
Well, first of all, we kind of... expected a deal
to be here around June 1st because we need to
have this all cleared up by the big 250th celebration
on July 4th. We can't have a war when we're
doing the big celebration. So we knew it was going
to happen, but you think the deal is not a
deal? I don't think it's a deal yet. Okay. And
they're kind of wishy-washy about it. But, you know, it
might be getting close. But, you know, this is supposed
to have taken place when he said this whole thing's
going to go six weeks. I think we're at 11
weeks now, something like that. Hold on, hold on, hold
on. It was only six weeks of actual fighting. All
the rest of us were dead. has just been ceasefire.
Oh yeah, that's right. What am I thinking? So get
it right, man. So let's play the, I have four
clips and there's three of them are analysis clips and
one of them is the basic BBC clip, which I
thought would be the place to go. Uh, Iran, Iran,
Trump BSD. Oh, I called it a BS deal. Oh,
there you go. BBC. President Trump has said an agreement
with Iran to end the war has largely been negotiated.
He made the announcement on social media. Peter Bowes reports.
Mr. Trump posting on his true social platform has said
an agreement has been... Yeah, hold on a second. Stop
it. The first guy said... President Trump, but this other
guy comes in and he calls him Mr. Trump, which
is a note of disrespect. Well, everyone's doing it now.
It's President Trump. Yeah, they can't get that out of
their mouth. Well, the first guy did. Well, for a
second there. It's editorialized. I'm sure the script says Mr.
Trump. Anyway, we continue. ...largely negotiated after what he described
as a very good call with the leaders of several
Gulf states... Very good call. ...and that it was now
subject to finalization between the U.S. and Iran. He added
that in addition to other elements of the agreement, the
Strait of Hormuz... would be reopened. But he warned that
if a deal could not be reached, no country would
ever be hit as hard as they're about to be.
Contradicting Donald Trump's statements, the Iranian news agency Fars, which
is close to the Revolutionary Guard Corps, says the Strait
of Hormuz would remain under Iranian control. Well, that's... This
is the BBC. The BBC is going to run their
line of talk. Of course, they've been funding the whole
operation for the... From the Muslim Brotherhood and the Lloyds
of London and the City of London. Of course they
don't want any deal. They're just talking the talk. sure
they don't want any deal. But here we go with
the analysis. Clip one. We start with President Trump's claim
on social media that the U.S. is close to reaching
a peace deal with Iran after weeks in which their
shaky ceasefire has hung in the balance. Just days ago,
he was threatening to attack Iran again. In his post,
Mr. Trump said the deal had been largely negotiated. was
being finalized and would be announced shortly. He also said
the Strait of Hormuz would soon be reopened. This comes
after Pakistan's army chief went to Tehran to hold talks
with Iranian officials. And after Mr. Trump then held a
call with Arab allies in which Pakistan, as the key
mediator, also took part. and he held a separate call
with the Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu. The U.S. president said
both calls had gone very well. Earlier, his Secretary of
State Marco Rubio, who's visiting India, also struck an optimistic
note when talking to journalists. There's been some progress done,
some progress made, even as I... I speak to you
now, there's some work being done. There is a chance
that whether it's later today, tomorrow, in a couple days,
we may have something to say. But this issue needs
to be solved, as the president has said, one way
or the other. Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
The straits need to be open without tolls. They need
to turn over their enriched uranium. They need to turn
over their highly enriched uranium. We need to address that.
You catch that? Yeah, he corrected himself from enriched uranium
to highly enriched uranium. Yeah, that means something. That's a
deal point there. Hey, give us your highly enriched, whatever
that is, and you can keep your enriched. It's the
60% stuff. Yeah. They need to turn over their enriched
uranium. They need to turn over their highly enriched uranium.
We need to address that issue. We need to address
the issue of enrichment. These are the president's points consistently.
And his preference is always to deal with it in
a diplomatic way. Our North America correspondent, Peter Bowes, gave
us his assessment. how that works. Hey, sign the deal
or I'll blow you to smithereens! Of whether this means
an end to the war is in sight. Well, with
the caveat that we've heard positive statements before from the
president about a potential deal with Iran, this does look
as if there is perhaps... some sort of breakthrough in
the making although the mood music from iran is somewhat
different All right, so far, zero analysis, just calling our
president Mr. Trump. They've given nothing so far. Yeah, and
that's what you're going to end up with. Yeah, a
statement from Rubio. Because there's nothing to analyze, let's face
it. Essentially, Trump is saying what he feels like saying.
Yeah. And there's no evidence that anything's going on whatsoever.
The blockade's still going on and he keeps, and he's
saber rattling to an extreme. Who is blocking? As far
as I'm concerned, we're blocking. We're blocking. Yeah, we're blocking.
We're blocking. Yeah. Who's blocking? We're blocking. They're not blocking.
We're blocking. We're blocking. So we're blocking all the ships,
and they're shooting at any that sneak by. And I
feel bad for the people that are shipping, you know,
the sailors that are on these vessels. They can't eat.
I mean, there's no food. No, they're getting them out.
Yes, we're getting the worst reporting in the world. That
couple of guys are sneaking out at night. No, we're
still escorting ships. Yes, we have no reporting. Nowhere. Who's
boots on the ground there? We need some more boots
on the ground from our side. Okay, here we go.
Part two. Now, When they say Iran is saying. Is
there a mouth on the country that is opening up
and going, here's what we're saying? Is it on Twitter?
Is it on X? Is it the IRGC? Who is
Iran at this point? Who is talking? MI6. Oh, yeah.
Management. Nevertheless, we had this. quite long, a lengthy statement,
true social statement from the president within the last hour.
And this in part is what he has to say.
He says an agreement has been largely negotiated, subject to
finalization between the United States of America and the Islamic
Republic of Iran and other countries. And he goes on.
with Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu of Israel, which likewise went
very well. And then he says final aspects and details
of the deal are currently being discussed and will be
announced shortly. So I think significantly there we have no
mention of nuclear weapons, which is... still at the heart
of this issue as far as President Trump is concerned.
You notice that Of course there's no mention of nuclear
weapons, because they never had a nuclear weapon. All we're
hearing about is the dust. The Dust. That's the enriched
uranium. They don't have a nuclear weapon. They have enriched
or highly enriched. uranium. So now the BBC, after just
hearing that from Rubio... are saying, oh, we haven't heard
anything about a nuclear weapon. He says that the Strait
of Hormuz will be open, but as we're already hearing,
that is being disputed by Iran. So perhaps just tentatively,
very tentatively, we might be moving towards some sort of
breakthrough, but this certainly isn't a deal to end the
war right now. Okay. All right. Some sort of breakthrough,
but it's not a deal. But we don't know anything.
We're the BBC. There's a couple of things that are
interesting in this. Is that Pakistan seems to be playing
the real role here. yes i and and pakistan also
has been a safe haven for much of the iranian
uh air force It turns out that they opened their
bases up to Iran during the initial bombing, saying if
you're worried about your jets, getting blowed up because they're
pretty... Park them here. Park them here, yeah. It's all
good. And so they have a lot of Iran's gear
in Pakistan. And so Pakistan has some leverage in that
regard. Well, yeah. They're also the front men for China,
which is... the country that really needs this. The sticking
point here seems still to be the basic thesis of
the Sunnis versus the Shia. and the pakistanis are not
shia they're sunnis and so they're not they're not subscribing
to this 12th Imam theory and uh end of the
world thesis that the Iranians seem to be all jacked
about. Well, not the Iranians, but some of them. It's
not all of Iran. Yeah, the mullahs. Yeah, the mullahs.
Whoever's still alive. We don't know anything. We don't know
who's running the place. We don't. And you know what?
The Iranians I've spoken to? I don't think anybody's running
the place right now. No, it's some dude with an
ex-account. Look at me. Look at me. Hey, watch me
post this. See what the BBC says next. Well, much
of the impetus for this latest attempt to strike a
deal seems to have come from the Pakistani army chief's
visit to Tehran and his... talks there with Iranian officials
to try to bridge the huge gaps between the two
sides. So what did they discuss? Here's Kazran Aji from
BBC Persian. The newly appointed spokesman for Iran's negotiating team
says the discussions centered on a memorandum of understanding. Okay,
so this annoys me. The newly appointed spokesman. Who is
he? This is BBC Persia. Persian, I think she said.
Shouldn't they be telling us who's talking now? Yep. This
is the BBC, which is the great journalist at the
BBC. They should be telling us, giving us... Some details.
Yes. Anything. At least when we're talking to the press,
you know it's our vice president, our new press secretary.
Come on. We're doing better. The newly appointed spokesman for
Iran's negotiating team says the discussions centered on a memorandum
of understanding, something that will extend the ceasefire. and paved
the way for a 30- to 60-day period of detailed
negotiations between Iran and the United States. Ismail Barahi has
been telling Iran's state television that the main issues under
discussion are ending the war, the lifting of the U.S.
blockade of Iranian ports, and the release of Iran's frozen
assets in banks abroad. Hold on a second. So this
30 to 60 days... This hasn't come out of the
mouths of U.S. spokesholes as far as I'm concerned. I
don't know where this came from, but this is kind
of the narrative I'm hearing every well. According to what
everyone's been hearing, it's 30 to 60 days. It'll be
a ceasefire, not really. They're going to hammer it out.
Yeah, but who is the progenitor of that? Where did
that come from other than BBC Persian? They did mention
somebody's name in there very casually. It was impossible to
tell. I missed it then, hold on. And the United
States. Ismail Barre has been telling Iran's... Ismail Barre? Who's
that guy? It's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I couldn't
understand him. Troll room help. Who is Ismail Barre? United
States. Ismail Baghaei has been telling Iran's state television that
the main issues under discussion are ending the war, the
lifting of the U.S. blockade of Iranian ports, and the
release of Iran's frozen assets in banks abroad. But significantly,
he does not mention anything about Iran's nuclear program or
Iran ending its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. something
that is an urgent priority for the American side. Hardliners
in Tehran are opposed to relinquishing control of the Strait
of Hormuz in return for lifting of the U.S. blockade
of Iranian ports. a trade-off which could see the opening
of this vital international waterway. Yeah, so I'm looking at
the troll room for some help, and all I see
is trolls arguing about Liz Cheney. Are you guys even
listening? What's Liz Cheney? I don't know. Is Liz Cheney
in the news? They're not even listening to the show.
They're just in there arguing with each other. This G?
One-upping each other. No, no, it's all about me. terms
election florida we're gonna win we're gonna lose it's no
good everyone uniparty Simmer down, Donna Summer. Paul Couture. He's
very active these days. Paul Couture? Yes, Sir Paul Couture.
He showed up in the troll room a couple, like
two weeks ago, and he started, he's trolling hard, but
not listening to the show, apparently. Anyway. So I do
have a couple of clips that these are from just
kind of just before this announcement, which really happened over
the last, like, 36 hours. Uh, here's Rubio. This is
a global radio, Canada. As NATO allies gathered in Sweden,
the U.S. made it clear it's working on multiple paths
to a deal with Iran, negotiation and a plan for
navigation of the Strait of Hormuz. There's been some progress.
I wouldn't exaggerate it. I wouldn't diminish it. The U.S.
claims the two sides are getting closer to a deal
to start formal negotiations. Iran rejects that, characterizing the differences
as deep and significant, though Iranian officials did meet with
key intermediaries from Pakistan to relay their positions. You see
what we've done to Iran? Iran is dying to make
a deal. We'll see what happens. But the U.S. Secretary
of State said he told NATO allies they need... backup
plan if talks fail? Yeah. Plan B is what if
Iran refuses to open the straits? What if Iran decides
we refuse to open the straits, we're going to own
the straits, and we're going to charge tolls for it?
See, this is the part that bugs me. So you
even have the BBC saying that the US controls the
straits, that we are controlling the waterway, that we're making...
making sure no one goes to the Iranian ports. And
then you've got future President Lubio saying, well, they've got
to open the streets. There's not a line of fast
boats anywhere. This is... Theater of the Highest Level. We
don't know that. Of course we know that. There's no
line of fast boats saying stop. Of course not. There's
nothing going on in that regard. This is only about,
uh... And what happened to the mines? What happened to
all those? That fell off the radar. No one's talking
about the mines. for a week now. Because there's no
mines! Okay, at that point, something has to be done
about it. NATO's Secretary General would not openly talk about...
So you think the whole thing's a hoax? No, it's
a financial war. I've said this from the beginning. It's
if Lloyd's of London won't insure. Nobody, for whatever reason,
no one wants... to use the American reinsurers through DFC
and Chubb that were all set up, the International Development
Finance Corporation. For whatever reason, nobody wants to use those.
So the shipping company's like, oh, it's 100x to insure
your ship. Well, we can't sail. That's what this is
about. Only the couple of brave ones who are like,
you know, oh, we're really here for China. Dead at
night by turning off their transponders and heading through at
midnight. Yeah, the transponders, that's all bull crap. The transponders
is meaningless at this point. Everyone's spoofing. Nobody knows where
anybody really is. Open the straits. We're going to own
the straits and we're going to charge. NATO's Secretary General
would not openly talk about how the alliance might help.
In recent weeks, both the United Kingdom and France have
sent aircraft carriers to the region. It is important that
countries are coming together. Coming together. And have plans to
ensure that the strait can be open for transit. It
is open, man. The longer the stalemate drags on, the
more this global crisis grows. More than 20,000 sailors are
still trapped on vessels in the Persian Gulf, unable to
leave their ships for months. and quickly running out of
food. They need a collective intervention because they are key
for our economies for both for the supply chains but
also they are civilians. Like the rest of the world
they can only wait for the two sides to make
a deal. Trapped by a conflict that has no end
in sight. The way I see it, we are blocking
the ports. of the Iranian ports. And that's where everyone
needs to go. Yeah, they got to get their stuff
from UAE and from Saudi Arabia, but they're already pumping
stuff over the pipelines. Like, yeah, we're getting it out
this other way. But the Iranian oil is really the
prize here. And so they want tolls and we're saying
no tolls. That's what I keep hearing. Toll. We want
a toll. And the toll is not to get through
the whole Strait. The toll is only to go into
the Iranian ports. And the U.S. is saying, no, you
can't do that because then you have too much control.
Here's Rubio. Right now we're negotiating and we'll- That's Trump
actually, but Rubio's coming. We'll see, but either we're going
to get it one way or the other. They're not
going to have a nuclear weapon. You will have a
nuclear war in the Middle East and that war will
come here. That war will go to Europe. We cannot
let that happen and it won't happen. It's not going
to happen. That's more important than anything else. We can't
think, I can think of nothing that's more important than
the fact that we cannot let Iran have a nuclear
weapon and we won't. CENTCOM still enforcing its blockade of
the Strait of Hormuz saying as of May 21st. CENTCOM
still blocking. CENTCOM. Everyone's claiming they're blocking. And we won't.
CENTCOM still enforcing its. blockade of the Strait of Hormuz,
saying as of May 21, CENTCOM forces have redirected 94
commercial vessels and disabled four while enforcing the blockade to
prevent the flow of commerce into and out of Iranian
ports. Secretary Rubio on this topic. Here he is just
moments ago. On the issue of Iran, the news. morning.
I know it's early on the, it's still in the
United States, a little later in the region, in the
Middle East, but we await word on those conversations that
are ongoing. There's been some slight progress. I don't want
to exaggerate it, but there's been a little bit of
movement and that's good. The fundamentals remain the same. Iran
can never have a nuclear weapon. And then added to
this, of course, is the issue of the Straits. Iran
is trying to... create a tolling system. Yeah, there it
is. The tolling system. And there's a little twist now
to the... The question you had on Thursday about crypt,
crypto. And how the Treasury and... General Besant. were able
to capture the crypto because that is all stable coin.
So now there's a little shift and this is part
of the tolling system that is a problem for anybody
but a problem for the US. Crypto experts claim that
foreign adversaries like Iran are using digital assets to evade
sanctions and funnel money to bad actors. Darren Botello joining
us now. Okay, Darren, how do we stop this? Laugh
till. Hi, good morning, Stuart. The good news is the
Trump administration is already stopping it. In fact, we confirmed
that the U.S. Treasury has been able to trace some
of Iran's money, and just last month they froze more
than $300 million. This was in regime crypto, Stuart. Iran
is... reportedly launching a new digital insurance platform for cargo
ships. Digital insurance programs. Everyone's in the insurance game now.
This is in the Strait of Hormuz. And here's the
kicker. They're settling payments entirely in Bitcoin. Basically, this is
how it works. The companies pay the insurance companies in
Bitcoin and they get. through the strait safely. That's the
trade-off. It's a direct move to dodge our banks and
scoop up a fresh source of cash. And this covers
a much larger shadow economy. New estimates from a threat
detection data firm show Tehran is sitting on a crypto
pile worth a staggering $7.7 billion. That war chest. has
been expanding ever since heavy sanctions cracked down. This was
during the first Trump administration, by the way. And here's
a look at the price of crude right now. The
hot board's up. Prices are trading near recent highs as
regional shipping tensions, they're flaring. But the regime is counting
on crypto to keep its military funded. Unfortunately, they keep
using words like crypto. Because, you know, crypto could be
anything. Ethereum could be... Well, he specifically said Bitcoin. Yes,
I know. That's what... Finally, someone said Bitcoin. But, you
know, it could be Trump's meme coin, for all I
know, when they say crypto. But this is a problem
because they cannot, cannot, cannot. cannot block Bitcoin from being
used, but they have a plan. The Treasury Department is
tracking the digital breadcrumbs and they're telling Fox, here's a
statement over here. Through economic fury, Treasury has taken actions
that have led to the freezing of nearly half a
billion dollars worth of cryptocurrency linked to the Iranian regime.
severing financial lifelines that Iran's regime and military depend on.
According to crypto experts, Tehran's tech is actually their weak
spot here. We found over and over again that they're
actually a much better asset for U.S. law enforcement and
other agencies to track because you leave a lot of
breadcrumbs. So I said the administration is taking action, but
how do we actually stop this? Industry insiders say Washington
has a massive trump card here by threatening to cut
off crypto exchanges from the American banking system. Regulators could
actually then flush out these foreign adversaries. Oh, please. That's
going to be a problem. Yeah, grabbing at the crypto
exchanges. Okay. When did this report come out? Because this
is old, because price of oil dropped since this thing.
Yeah, it took place. It's not that old. It's down
to 97. Come on. It was 102 when they had
this. But it's good. Look. The way I see it,
I don't know exactly what the game is that's being
played here. For sure, the oil guys are loving this
because with any report, like, oh, we'll just make it
more expensive. And we'll go up and we'll go down.
And your gas station's like, oh, yeah, let's do $5.
Oh, let's do $5.50. They can do whatever they want.
But when the narrative has been cemented, And they stopped
posting stuff on X because I think there's just one
dude whose name we couldn't catch. then it's just, it's
gonna be over. And then it's going to go and
everything's going to come dropping down. I think it's going
to come down fast and hard. That's gotta be, I'm
just looking at, I have no. Nothing to base this
on other than what I think Trump is doing in
his head. by July 4th. and the futures will be
$60 barrel of oil. Well, they're going to have a
hard time getting it down to 60, but it's possible.
The futures. The futures. Well, if futures are no futures,
it's still hard to get down that far. He'll be
buying that stuff up like there's no tomorrow. And it
also screws up our shale business. Yeah, but those guys,
they were already struggling. Remember, it was around $60 before
all this kicked off. Yeah, well. Before, like, Venezuela days,
which is still flowing, I presume. I just got to
presume. Oh, yeah. Venezuelan oil is doing, you don't hear
about it. Why would you? Everyone's all obsessed. So the,
um... I thought this autopsy... of the Democrat Party. That
was really interesting. Did you catch any of this? Yeah,
I caught the whole thing. I didn't think it was
interesting in the least. I thought it was. Why didn't
you think it was interesting? There wasn't anything new in
there. No, nothing new for us, but for the Democrats,
it feels like the Democrats are just all of a
sudden. sudden falling apart before the midterms and they have
no leader and they're all mad at each other. I
thought that was interesting. And so I brought two clips.
Now to the deepening divisions within the Democratic Party and
the long-awaited release of the so-called 2024 election autopsy. The
report was commissioned by Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken Martin,
its purpose to help the party understand why former Vice
President Kamala Harris lost to President Donald Trump. Martin got
an independent consultant to write it, but then put off
its release saying it was badly done. After pressure from
other Democrats, today the DNC chair published the 192-page draft
that he says is still littered with typos and inaccuracies.
The paper argues that Harris wrote off rural voters and
failed to attack President Trump with the sufficient negative firepower.
The DNC adding disclaimers that the autopsy doesn't reflect the
committee's views. Our political pros are here to discuss. Ashley
Etienne is a former communications director to VP Harris and
Corbyn Trent is a former communications director to VP Harris.
former aide to AOC and Bernie Sanders. I thank you
both for being here. Ashley, you were one of the
people pushing for this report's release, and just hours ago
you told our good friend Kristen Welker that Ken Martin
should step down. Explain why. Well, I think this is
a complete failure of leadership. Ken Martin really has two
jobs, really, is to run, to raise money, and to
win elections. He chose to, instead of releasing a forward-looking
document that lays out a vision on how to rebuild
this party, how to win elections going forward from the
state level to the national level, instead what he released
is a pre-decisional document with critiques in it to cover
his hide. That's really what's happening here. Pre-decisional. I don't
know. What does it mean? It doesn't mean jack. She's
just saying stuff. I think we should use it ourselves.
It's pre-decisional for you to say that. It's pre-decisional for
you to say I'm pre-decisional. When elections going forward from
the state level to the national level, instead what he
released is a pre-decisional document with critiques in it to
cover his. hide. That's really what's at play here. And
fortunately, we've got a situation with democracy on the line.
We've got the party is having struggles. Fundraising is polling
at 28%. And Ken Martin made this entire autopsy debate
about himself rather than about the... party, about how to
rebuild the party, and how to bring back what we're
seeing, a bleeding support among the party's base vote voters.
Feels to me like a coup is underway. Yeah, they're
trying to get rid of this Martin guy. It's pretty
obvious. Yeah, well, who's... He was a dud when they
put him in. We noticed this when they were doing
it. Remember they did the... Oh, you have to have
so many lesbians voting and then you have to have
a gender fluid person in there. And then they didn't
pick one. They picked a white guy. Oh, that's right.
We needed a BIPOC. Yeah, I forgot about that. I
forgot about that. Yes. And then they pick some... Heteronormative
guy. Who needs that? He's out. Whatever happened to the
kid from Florida? Wasn't he part of the leadership? He
was the second in command, and they ousted him. Oh,
he already got kicked out? Yeah, because there was too
many white guys. My goodness. So sad. Let me see.
He's still floating around online on some social networks, bitching.
Let me see if this is any good. Let me
see. Allies of former President Joe Biden failed to give
Kamala Harris needed support before her 107-day sprint to Election
Day in 2020. No, that's no good. That's just the
same. And by the way, I think. Tom Yamas, who
I like. I know you do. If you listen to
him, the way his voice is, he's got a kind
of a funny lilt. He sounds like he's about one,
he's like one little accent away from sounding like a
surfer dude. I'll need to pay attention to it now.
He just sounds like he's gonna drop right into it.
Hey, man. Hey, cowabunga. *laughs* Hey, man. What surfer says
cowabunga? That's what they used to say. No, they've never.
That was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. There was never
any. for a dude who said cowabunga. Yeah, you check
it out. Meanwhile, our top Democrat socialist of America is
Mayor Mondami. Mondami. Mom. Mom. Is it Mondami or Mom-dami?
I can't remember. I'm going to listen to you struggle.
Yeah. Well, okay, thanks. Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie. Uh, he's
come up with a brilliant new plan. He is now
the social media mayor. Merimumdani, known as the social media
mayor. And now he is launching a live stream series
on Twitch, answering questions from New Yorkers. This is Gavin
Newsom's strategy. This is not a good idea. What do
you mean? This is... what Trump did. Trump became the
social media president. Yeah, but Trump didn't start, wasn't doing
podcasting, he wasn't doing videos. You know, he was basically
just tweeting a lot of stuff at three in the
morning, so what? Yeah. Well, listen to this. Because Mamdani
has some good ideas. Well, he did get in through
social media doing a lot of videos because I guess
his wife was a producer or something. Here we go.
With the people, and it will be shared on several
social media platforms. Also be posting these conversations wherever you
listen to podcasts. Whoa! using the broadcast sentence of the
future. The most powerful sentence in broadcasting wherever you get
your podcasts. Yeah, was that what he said? That's exactly,
no, he said, you'll be listening to this wherever you
get your podcast. That's what he said. Listen to it
again. It's called Talk With The People, and it will
be shared on several social media platforms. Also be posting
these. conversations wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh, you're right.
You listen to podcasts. It never says get. Yeah, good
point. On your commute, washing dishes, pretending to answer emails.
Yeah, that's like all the social democrats. They just don't
really work. They pretend to be answering emails, so that
makes sense. Because government should be accessible. You should hear
directly from your city. about what we're doing and why
we're doing it. Donnie made this announcement with a photo.
Was she supposed to do that at press conferences? No,
man, he's hip. On social media, here it is, a
picture of himself next to FDR, who did a series
of fireside chats. This is CBS New York, who are
all in. Just listen to how they're. fawning over him
in this. Over the radio. So political reporter Marsha Kramer
joins me now to talk a little bit more about
this strategy. Marsha, what's your take on the mayor's live
stream? Well, Christine, I would say it was an R-rated
performance. But unlike the movies where an R means restricted,
here it stands for relatable. The mayor was relaxed. chatty,
didn't wear a tie, and did the live stream was
an expert named Moose, who read questions from people who
logged into Twitch. Now, Moose instructed the mayor in live
stream manners. He told him to say, chat, what's up?
And to say something good is called bussin'. Oh my
gosh, I think I need a bussin'. Bussin'. Bussin'. What?
bussin What's a blessing? Well, that's what Mondami said. Bussin'.
That's when something... It's bussin', man. That's what the kids
say. You got kids around, you bussin'. You ever heard
the kids say bussin'? Your kids are too old. They're
saying bussin'. And you're supposed to say, what's up, chat?
No, you're supposed to say, what up, trolls? People who
logged into Twitch. Now, Moose instructed the mayor in live
stream manners. He told them to say... Wait, they logged
into Twitch? Twitch. What, Leo's show? Twitch. Or Twitch. Chat,
what's up? Chat, what's up? And say something good is
called fussing. Oh my gosh, I think I need a
manual to do this. You need a manual. I need
a manual. I need to read up on this and
get with this language, but talk to me about the
strategy of going on Twitch. Look, this is a mayor
who has used social media in ways that other politicians
are green with envy about. It's a way to circumvent
reporters who tend to ask, well, let's just say, pointed
questions. This is, okay, taking it. We always said the
guy was doing a Trump. Like, promise everything. I wrote
a whole column, and if you go to dvorak.substack.com, I
wrote a entire column about it. Yes, the Oasis is
filled up with it. And to listen to the concerns
of the people. So yes, the mayor did explain his
budget and his desire to see. free buzzing not bussin
and he was also asked if he played minecraft no
talked about the nixon captain clutch and revealed his favorite
place for tacos it was a very man of the
people performance what was his favorite place for tacos we
didn't hear they didn't tell us these guys are no
good they're fiorillo laguardia who famously read comic strips to
people on the radio during a newspaper strike. So social
media is his form of radio. Indeed, it was very
relatable. Did, uh, did LaGuardia do that? Yeah, LaGuardia was
a social media guy when they used the, FDR did
too. They used the... Fireside Chat was an example. Yeah.
But yeah, LaGuardia would go on and he'd have a
radio show and he read comics and discussed the newspaper
and he did all this stuff. It was very, very
down to earth. People loved the show. That's interesting. It's
like a podcaster. Yeah, OG podcast. I need to look
that up. I think that's all Mamdani is doing, which
is, you know, he's taking it from the best, you
know, steal from the best. Yeah, that's good. That's good.
So we were talking about Massey. Oh man, probably the
most frequently emailed thing. No, two. Paxton and Massey have
been just filling up my email inbox. Yeah, I love
the Paxton stuff. Yeah, but apparently your people in Fredericksburg
are idiots. Well, there's a couple of... couple of issues.
One, The most important one for the people in Fredericksburg.
And all politics is local, I've heard someone say many
times. Uh, it was Paxton. whose office wrote up the
big press release excoriating our doctor, who is still, in
my opinion, in jail unjustly. Oh, yeah, the doctor who
got, yeah, that guy. We know about him. He was
a good guy who just got over his head. Well,
he got rousted into a scam. Yeah, he got rousted
into a scam. That's what I meant, in over his
head. Yeah, and Paxson wrote this whole, well, we got
him. This is the guy, the linchpin. Okay, that makes
sense. No wonder. I wouldn't like the guy either if
he pulled that stunt. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm on your
side. now. Thank you. There's a couple other things about
Paxton, but you didn't ask me after the show, so
I couldn't tell you. But I'll tell you if you
remember to ask me. Oh, you know, I forgot to
ask. You forgot to ask. I know. I put a
note down, too. Um... Okay, I'll ask today. Victor David
Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis. Dave, Dave, Dave. VDH.
VDH. VDH had a great bit about Massey. And he
addresses everything. And you just can't argue with VDH. I
mean, he's. No, he's the best. And he does it
so calmly. Yeah, Tommy Smothers. Scott Jennings, whom I really
respect, he's a really great commentator. takes on people at
CNN. He summed it up. I can add something to
it, but he did a wonderful job. He pointed out
a couple of things that... The district that Massey represented
in Kentucky is probably the reddest district in the United
States. So those people wanted a strong, strong conservative. They
didn't object as long as he was libertarian, if he
was going to be a libertarian strong conservative. And by
that, I mean he came to prominence during the COVID
when he said there was overreach. They even gave him
some slack when he was opposing the big spending by
both parties. But what they couldn't countenance was this. that
When you can have the luxury of a Susan Collins
in the Senate or Rand Paul that don't vote 95%,
you know, they're mavericks. And sometimes they were Lisa Murkowski.
That's a... when you have five seats in the Senate
margin. You can have three defections. Okay. But when you're
close in the House, every little seat, and they only
got two seat margin, you can't afford that. And so
when he started, after he became a... folk hero on
the right by On the right, he decided that he
was going to become famous on the Epstein files. And
the problem with that was he didn't say a word
really when Biden was president. And the majority, the vast
majority of people who appear, whether it's Larry Summers or...
Reid Hoffman or all these These people, they're on the
left. So it didn't condemn Donald Trump. It didn't condemn
a bunch of conservatives. And that's what he was trying
to partner with AOC and others and saying, oh, there's
going to be Republicans. And it was a farce. All
right. So he's going to give his voting record in
a moment, and then he's going to address the Israel
issue. um But now it kind of makes sense to
me now because Massey was more what you'd call a
classic libertarian. Which I think is what Ron Paul always
was, what Rand Paul is. Do you think that they're
true Republicans or are they more, they just feel like
libertarians. And that's why a lot of people who listen
to us and listen to other podcasts, they like. that
they like the yeah man he's he's in the middle
He's not going with those guys. Well, the... I'm not
a big fan of libertarianism even though I called myself
one for a few years. It's okay, you slipped, it's
okay. It's kind of a stupid moniker because it doesn't
really mean anything specific. John at Dvorak.org. Nah, I don't
care. I know. But they always email me when you
say these things. And they should. They should email you
because they know that you can get to me. You're
spiraling. So... So Maybe. I mean, it's... It seems to
me that it's just a cop-out for... You know, yeah,
you know, it's the old, well, I'm a, I'm conservative
when it comes to, uh, Yeah, fiscal, fiscal conservative. Fiscal
conservative, I'm a social liberal. Yeah, yeah. Kind of, I'm
a combination, I think drugs should be legalized and... Maybe
it shouldn't be. Maybe it shouldn't be. I don't care.
Everyone should do their own thing. Do their own thing.
I think that's the basis. Back in the 60s. Do
your own thing, man. Tune in. Drop out. Turn on
tune in drop out that kind of that that's where
I think it all stems from and is corny. It's
corny. Just being independent, that's the way to go, or
non-affiliated in my case. Unaffiliated. We're both unaffiliated. Unaffiliated is
the way to go. Here we go. So that blew
up on him, and he kept trying to get back
onto the mainstream and get attention, and Marjorie Taylor Greene,
and Lauren Bobbitt, and all that. Tucker, all those people
loved him. That didn't work. And then so he voted.
The big defections came when he voted against the big,
beautiful bill. He voted against the closing the borders and
he voted against the Save Act, a voter ID. And
this was the big one, the Save Act. And that's
what Cornyn. was also voting against which makes no sense
i mean the the save act is the most sensible
thing in the world but okay and he voted against
this save act a voter id and once he did
that he crossed the rubicon the left made him into
a brave maverick but he was always Um... An ambiguous,
problematic person. He didn't have a lot of principles. He
had convenient principles because, as you pointed out, to save
his skin, he put out a false ad that years
ago Trump had endorsed him when he won 80% against
no opposition, essentially. So he re-ran that to full. people
and think that Trump had flipped. Number two. He said
in his defeat that he couldn't find his opponent because
he's in Tel Aviv. Does anybody really believe he lost
because of the Jews? Yes. Yes. Entire villages of people
believe this. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with
you. Yeah, they do. In fact, the notes that I
got mostly was that the Jew money, what's her name?
Miriam Adelson. Miriam, Miriam, that evil Miriam. She's the one
who, she's just pumped all this money and that's why
he lost. No, there's been, you know, people who say
it was a money issue. Keep ignoring the fact that
Trump always had less money than the Democrats and beat
them every time. How about how about Musk spending 100
million in Wisconsin? Yeah, and then Musk spent a ton
of money in Wisconsin to defeat a couple of people,
and they got nowhere. Yeah, but you money. So the
money is. Yes, money is a factor when all things
are even, but when you have people that are running
on the basis of various kinds of philosophies or screwiness
that took place with this Massey thing, no, it's not
a factor. I mean, it's a factor, but it's a
minor factor. It wasn't because of the money that he
lost. Although people will argue with me because I had
this, my thesis is because of the fake scandal. But,
you know, I'm not so sure about that. I'm sticking
with my scandal theory. But like our mayor in Fredericksburg
had a lot less money than his co-contestant. And... Then
she got a lot of media. She was in, you
know, the Hill and Vine with her family, full picture
spread and everything. It wasn't money. It wasn't money that
got Randy Briley elected. You know, it's policy. It's, you
know, our church probably. His opponent because he's in Tel
Aviv. Does anybody really believe he lost because of the
Jews? He opposed the war and he always votes against
Israel, but that's not why he lost. He lost because
he deliberately, on key votes that had nothing to do
with Israel, turned on Donald Trump from a red district.
It would be the analogous of... say Nancy Pelosi's district.
It's the bluest in the U.S., San Francisco. And then
she started to vote with Republicans. That would be the
end of her. That, to me, sounds a lot more
plausible. for Kentucky. Well, somebody else pointed out that he
wasn't doing anything for his district either. He was doing
national issues. He was making a big fussy. He did
nothing for the locals. Which is the biggest problem we
have in politics in America in general. Everyone's always focused
on the big national stuff. Look at your own... Look
at your own town. Fixed stuff there. Here's a clip
about Cornyn since we brought him up. The only way
to pass the Save America Act is to nuke the
filibuster because you're never going to get 60 votes because
the Democrats cannot vote yes for this, even though they
know it's common sense. But they will never win an
election again if the Save America Act. So you're not
going to get any Democrats to vote for it. And
then look, the Democrats that are refusing, or the Republicans
refusing to pass this, are the ones that are on
their way out. Look at Senator McConnell, Senator Cassidy, Senator
Tillis. And now, you know what this is amazing about?
What Cornyn is showing is true colors. This is what
we were talking about for the last six weeks on
this show, as to why... Cornyn could not have another
six years is because it is dangerous to have these
senators that we know hate the Trump agenda, hate MAGA,
to be in the Senate without having to, knowing they're
not going to run for re-election again because Cornyn, there
was no way he was going to run for another
term after this. He is too old. So right now
he is proving to us exactly what he told, we
were warning you guys about. We need new blood and
people that actually support Trump's agenda. And because these guys
on their way out, they love to love to just
obstruct what this country wants and what President Trump wants.
That's interesting. I hadn't actually thought about that. just because
they've been primaried. doesn't mean that they don't have a
vote before the midterms. So I'm not quite sure what
the strategy is there. But they were going to do
that vote anyway. I mean, these guys, I have no
idea why anyone thinks like these guys. And the Democrats,
this thinking that, oh, if we... If we vote for
this and get there. voter ID, then we'll never win
another election. That's nonsense. Democrats, Democrats, socialists, maybe, and maybe
the corrupt Democrats in California and the West Coast where
the voter by mail is the dominant feature. Maybe, yeah,
some Democrats won't get elected again, but getting back to
the middle, the Democrats will get elected plenty of times.
Times. That's bullcrap. I mean, you know, the Democrats are
actually, by being this way, are admitting that they're corrupt.
Yeah, they are. They are. Oh, I don't want to
say you banged your mic cable, but it sure sounds
good. I had to move it because I'm about to
sneeze. Oh, okay. Why don't you sneeze? Well, no. Luckily,
because you did that, you said that. I interrupted you.
Ah, yes. Yeah, you interrupted the sneeze, which means it'll
come later. That's my least favorite thing people do. Oh,
bless you. They say it ahead of time. When you
got that big sneeze coming and you're gearing up. forward
and it's i've never heard anybody do that oh people
love doing that in advance of the sneeze they see
you going they see you going and then they'll say
oh god bless you Before you sneeze. I've never had
that happen to me. Maybe it's an East Coast thing.
versus West Coast. So the big thing that had everybody
occupied... in these past few days since our last podcast.
Maskgate. What? MASK GATE! I can't believe your algos did
not show you the mask? I don't know what you're
talking about. Internet sleuths have come up with the wild
theory that this Fox News guest was wearing a hyper-realistic
mask. straight out of Mission Impossible. Retired Vice Admiral Robert
Harward has gone viral for his May 19th interview on
Fox News, after hordes of social media users noticed what
they said appeared to be an unusual shadow on the
bottom of his neck. You have not seen this? You've
got to look this up. While I'm playing the skip,
you have to... The guy is Hayward. H-A-W-A-R-D. Just go
on X, type in Hayward, and you'll see the mask.
Leading to the wild theory that the contributor was wearing
a hyper-realistic mask. Many fueling the notion have pointed out
that Harward is a regular contributor to the program, and
that in all his appearances, several of which were as
recent as this month, his neck appears completely normal. The
outlandish claim has since spread like wildfire and turned into
a full-blown internet meltdown, as many couldn't help themselves but
to weigh in. Left-wing podcaster Ed Krasenstein joined in on
the hysteria on X. Can anyone really explain this? Why
does it look like Fox News... put a man with
a mask in their show, he wrote. While conservative media
personality. Oh, yeah. No. Okay. Just to, not to interrupt,
but I'm interrupting. Yeah. I saw this image originally with
the circle around this little area down at the bottom
where it looks like a tattoo or something. And I
just I didn't pay any attention to it, so I
missed it. Oh, people are losing their ever-loving minds over
it. I don't see why. It looks like the same
guy to me. We'll finish the clip and I'll tell
you what I think. ...calling back to another viral internet
moment, writing, that mother****** is not real. Others online have
tried to bring the situation back. down to Earth by
offering several possible explanations. It's a shadow, or more precisely,
a combination of shadows from the many lights in the
studio, and his shirt collar creating a weird overlap of
shades on his neck, one user wrote. While another asserted
that the oddity can simply be explained by a smoothing
filter that caused... artifacting that they noted is common on
virtual calls. Even Polymarket has gotten in on the action,
allowing users to wager on the outlandish theory. Alright. So
what do you think, since we need to settle this
for everybody? Well, first of all, I've, you know, these
mad, I know, you know, these things are not. you
know, completely without precedent having these masks and some of
them are pretty dynamite. There's a lot of examples online
of people putting them on and what they look like.
The typical, these masks go over the head and they're
pretty big in terms of what they cover up around
the neck area. They go way down into the chest
area. They're big. Yeah. And so you don't, this little
anomaly here, it looks like bull crap to me. Well,
I'd like to remind people of my family member in
1967. um Her husband brought someone home. from work that's
She did not know for dinner and during coffee and
dessert, this person who she did not know. 1967 okay
this is when i was uh what was i i
was three so this is uh 58 years ago This
person pulled off the mask and it was someone who
she knew really well. That was technology over 50 years
ago. Right. The technology has only gotten amazingly good. And
I agree with the, because the whole face looked kind
of smoothed out. I agree with the smoothing and some
anomaly that the... Now that the filter's brought in, on
Zoom or WebEx, whatever they're using, you have a number
of buttons. You know, make it high def, make my
skin look good. And I think it was that. And
also, to what end? Who cares? Yeah, I know. It's
not as though it's Biden. Yeah, exactly. This guy was...
He was in Vietnam, I think. Who cares? Why is
this even necessary? But oh no, oh no, everyone's always,
this is it, no. No, I agree with you. Yeah.
Who cares? It's bull crap. It's not, you know, it's
not the president. It's not like, you know, Hillary. It's
not like. you know anybody important in that regard I
mean the guys important to himself into the show I
guess but it's beside the point who cares yeah So
it was just like, no. No, I missed it. I
missed it completely. Oh, it's just like, come on, people.
No, no, no. Now, Biden, definitely daddy long legs. No
doubt about it. I mean, that was a whole different
dude who was running across the White House lawn. Well,
you know the story behind that, the current story, right?
No, I don't. What's the current story? The latest story
was that a Biden impersonator was hired sometime during the
administration to do a bit on the show. He was
so good and they liked him so much they decided
to use him as a substitute Biden every so often.
And then he got moved into a full-time position. Oh,
that's the story now, is it? That's the story now,
yes. That's good. Well, let's break apart another. Another. misconception
by people. This is, let me see. This was the
shooting at the White House? Near the White House. It
was an interesting little story about this that, you know,
that I think people should think about. Because I'll get
into it. Let's play this first. We're getting some new
details about... the shooting that took place on the corner
of 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue at about 6 p.m.
Eastern Time. Let's cross over now to our senior law
enforcement correspondent, Mark Santillo, who has more details. Mark, what
have you learned? What have you learned? We just from
two sources briefed on the incident, as well as an
internal law enforcement document. We know now that the suspect
is Nasir Best, who is trained. transported to George Washington
Hospital as his Secret Service said he has passed away.
Now, the first thing that happened online was they started
showing a picture of one of those crazy trans dudes.
which was, you know, from, I don't know, years ago.
Saying, oh, yeah, it's another trans shooter. Everything on social
media is fake. That's how you have to look at
everything. Everything is fake. Nothing is real. It's really not
even worth your time. But that was the first thing
that showed up. And it's actually, it's a black guy.
The suspect previously approached the White House. There was interaction
in the past between the suspect and law enforcement in
June of 2025. There was an order for him to
stay away from the White House. That incident in June
of 2025 from an internal law enforcement document, according to
sources, it happened on July, the last summer. near the
White House, an officer in police uniform, full police uniform,
was working at a pedestrian access control post at the
White House. When he observed best, the suspect walk into
a restricted area by using the exit turnstile lane that
was located at the post. And apparently that restricted area
had multiple signs there, Amon, stating do not enter. exit
only, police line do not cross, pass holders and appointments
only. Again, this was near the White House area. The
suspect was immediately told to stop. The suspect did not
listen to the verbal commands from the officer, did not
stop and continued to go further into the restricted area.
The suspect was arrested. According to multiple sources, the suspect
had no prior arrests at that time. The suspect claimed
he was Jesus Christ and he wanted to, quote, get
arrested. The suspect has a history of mental health issues.
Again, suspect known to United States Secret Service for walking
around the White House area complex. and was taken into
custody last year. Again, the suspect being named is Nasir
Best. Okay. So one of the things that I keep
hearing about AI data centers. And this has become almost
a meme. People are saying, well... You know, they're building
all these data centers so that they can store all
of your information to spy on you with Palantir and
the flock cameras. Have you heard this? Oh, yeah. So...
This is Washington, D.C. This is the White House. Also,
ShotSpotter's gotta go. Yeah, well, that's kind of out of
the- picture but it's the flock cameras it's Palantir they're
tracking you they're tracking everything now the people are tracking
you are you paying money to you your Google and
your Apple and you know the Microsoft these are the
people tracking you you can just buy that information but
If it really was true. that they're surveilling you on
everything. How does this guy, who the law enforcement knew
about him... They knew that he had mental problems. They
already warned him, got a restraining order. So they're not
tracking this guy. They're not tracking it with Palantir, doing
a minority report with... flock cameras and his phone and
everything and storing it in your local data center. Can
we just get a reality check on this for a
minute? It's not happening. They're not that good. They buy
the things. They're not that good. They're not that good.
They are tracking, but they're not that good. They're not
that good. That's the point. Of course they're tracking. But,
yeah, they are not that good. I mean, this is
what happened with the 9-11. Come on. Yes, exactly. All
these guys were under some look-see. Whatever that was. All
of them. That may have been a different. Oh, dancing
is the release. Well, yes, but let's just assume that
we're going to go with the. official thing. Yeah. Because
the official thing, why would you do the official thing
that just indicates your boneheads? I mean, the official story
indicates that you're incompetent. Yes. Why would you do that?
Oh, we're dumb. I don't know. To throw everybody off
track. Give us more money. Right. There you go. And
then another one. So this, I really like this. And
I've dealt with immigration for... And by the way, wait,
stop. Before you leave the topic. I thought it was
interesting that we had the different reactions to the gunshots.
There's like 30 shots and I don't know what they
hit. They never told us. Did it hit the White
House? Were they just in the air? Who knows? But
there was a Chinese broadcaster and she ditched everything and
ran under a table immediately. And then there was some
dipshit, you know, Wesley girl that's going. I think I
actually have the clip of her. Hold on a second.
Of the Wesley girl? What's that? What is that noise?
I think this is her. We witnessed a tense moment.
at the White House late yesterday, our Selena Wang was
there. And Selena joins me now from the White House.
And Selena, you were there as shots rang out, clearly
audible. I want to play a little bit of that
scene. - That President Trump has said a deal is
close only for the two sides to remain far apart.
you That was the one, no, you're right, that was
the one who had to go, well, I think she
actually said something about it, hold on. Going on for
quite some time, what was going on? Yeah, John, I
mean, this shooting was actually happening just meters from where
I'm standing. Meters? Meters? Meters? Since when do we use
meters? That's a good one. What? Meters. Meters? She's a
Chinese spy. Time. What was going on? Yeah, John, I
mean, this shooting was actually happening just meters from where
I'm standing right now. And in that video you played,
that is the exact place where I'm here right now.
I was preparing to go live for World News. tonight
and you notice in the video that I continue talking
for the first few seconds of those gunshots because my
initial thought was this must be fireworks or something else.
Then I heard to get down so the team and
I we immediately dropped to the ground, ducked and covered.
Then we heard Secret Service yelling for us to move,
to sprint to the... Okay, anyway. Um... And moving on.
So I got a, one of our knights sent me
a very long email. He said, You shouldn't be so
glib about the Muslims. Okay. You're glib about the Muslims?
Yeah, that, you know, well... He was kind of misstating
it. And this is what I said, dude, I don't
know what you're talking about. Because he was saying, these
foreigners coming in. I'm doing an accent. These foreigners coming
in, they're taking away jobs from our kids. All the
H-1B visas. And I said, first of all, we're talking
about something else. But right as I'm reading this email.
this new policy comes out, which I think is a
dynamite policy for the United States, which takes care in
one fell swoop of all the issues about H-1B visas.
And I really like it. And I've been dealing with
immigration in the U.S. for... Ah, 30, more than 30
years. I've made many people legal, some I was married
to, some not. But this is a very good policy.
Well, the Trump administration announcing a major shift in how
it processes green card applications moving forward non-immigrants. in the
U.S. are going to have to return to their home
countries. Scripps News legal affairs correspondent Abidjoi Burnett is looking
into this, James. So, Abidjoi, who would be impacted by
it? Quite a few people, a couple thousand people, maybe
hundreds of thousands, according to some immigration attorneys, could be
impacted here. This is a new memo that... of Homeland
Security under USCIS. in the United States who want to
apply for a green card, This memo was issued late
last evening, but we started to see more details on
what reactions were like earlier today. And some of the
people who could potentially be impacted here are students, people
who came to the United States as students. There could
be people who are here as temporary workers. and even
tourists. And here's what an official with USCIS, this is
the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, this is what a
spokesperson for that agency, which is under DHS, this is
what they said with regards to this new memo that
has been really getting quite some attention. They said, we
are... ...returning to the original intent of the law to
ensure aliens navigate our nation's immigration systems properly. From now
on, an alien who is in the U.S. temporarily and
wants a green card must return to their home country
to apply, except for in extraordinary circumstances. Yes, this is
good. And I don't know if people understand how this
is going to impact the H-1B. And of course, the
people who do H-1B immigration visas, temporary visas, they're all
flipping out about it. But here's the explanation of how
this will actually impact them. And we have to presume
that the only way this will work is if the
U.S. UCIS If they, was it UCI? Yeah, the US,
the immigration services. They have to have enough people and
systems to actually handle this. But I've done this. I've
had to arrange a green card with someone going back.
to their country of origin. And it took a few
weeks, but it's not impossible. And if they make that
system work that way, it's going to be very good,
particularly for those of you worried about H-1B visa holders
taking your kids' jobs. Some of the attorneys who I
spoke with earlier today, they weren't as concerned about what
this actually means. One person told me they... are pretty
sure people will be able to continue to apply for
that green card status but then there are other attorneys
who were really concerned they said that they've been getting
many calls from their clients some of those clients are
extremely alarmed and they're talking about people who have family
members here there are folks who are working here in
the united States. They may be married to U.S. citizens.
They may be here on an H-1B visa where they're
able to work. So pretty much they have set up
lives here in the United States and they're going through
this process of applying for a green card. So they're
now wondering what is next for us. Take a listen
to what one of those attorneys told me. Who does
this impact, right? family members of U.S. citizens, the immediate
relatives of them, so their spouses, their parents, their children.
It includes people who are here working with U.S. employers
who are in the process or in legal status working
and are in the process of applying for their green
card, which It can take decades, so it gives them
a temporary way to stay here so they're not upended
and their work is not upended. And that attorney with
the American Immigration Lawyers Association, she told me that this
is something that could potentially impact hundreds of thousands of
folks. For example, back in fiscal year 2023, this is
where we have the most recent. data, about 600,000 people
were in line applying for their green card, going through
that process. This is a process that could potentially take
months or even years. So we're talking about the possibility
of hundreds of thousands of people who are waiting and
they're now wondering, what does this actually mean for them?
We've been told that there's a possibility that lawsuits could
be filed really to push back against the Trump administration
and prevent people from being forced to leave the United
States. Yeah, I think it's good. This is the way
it should be. This is how it worked in the
past. And we got a bunch of Democrat presidents, administration.
and they made it way too easy. This is how
it used to be. And you can get, I think,
probably for marriage, you probably can get a parole, I
think is what they call it. for some reason. And
then you can go back quickly and come back in.
But it's going to... going to help the system see
who really should be here and who shouldn't be. And
H1B is just, it's temporary. In, out, gone. None of
this like, oh, well, you know, now I married this
person. and now I want a green card and I'll
just stay here and I'll stay here forever until it's
processed. This is good. Okay. Let's talk about Tulsi Gabbard
quitting. Yeah. Yeah, this is another one of those. This
is a very big disappointment. For you. I liked her.
Yeah, well, it's... I thought she was good in the
position. She was... Yeah. She broke the thing about Obama
being, you know, a horrible person. Mm-hmm. And nothing came
of it. Mm-hmm. So here's the two clips they have
NBC. Tonight, as the president weighs resuming the U.S. war
with Iran, his top intelligence official says she is resigning.
Director of National Intelligence. Tulsi Gabbard, writing her husband, quote,
has recently been diagnosed with an extremely rare form of
bone cancer, saying, I must step away from public service
to be by his side and fully support him through
this battle. The president posting that Gabbard has done an
incredible job and we will miss her. An Army veteran
and former Democratic congresswoman. Gabbard broke with her party to
endorse Trump in 2024. I invite you to join me
in doing all that we can to save our country
and elect President Donald J. Trump. But as his director
of national intelligence, Gabbard never fully made it into the
president's inner circle, clashing with administration officials, including the CIA
director. and often absent at pivotal decision points. For years,
an outspoken opponent of American wars in the Middle East.
Going to war with Iran would make the war in
Iraq and even Afghanistan look like a picnic. Recently, Gabbard
struggled to defend the president's attack on Iran. Do you
still believe that war with Iran would be so costly
and devastating that it would make our wars in Iraq
and Afghanistan look like a picnic? Once again, in this
role, it is essential that I do not allow any
of my personal views on any issues to color or
bias the intelligence reporting. Yeah, it is a disappointment. I'm
with you on that. Part two. A person familiar with
the discussions telling NBC News that Gabbard's allies had pushed
her to resign over the war with Iran, but she
declined. Earlier this year, the president was asked about his
confidence in Gabbard. I would say that I'm very strong
in the fact that I don't want... Iran to have
a nuclear weapon. I think she's probably a little bit
softer on that issue, but that's OK. Some people are.
Oh, so they're insinuating she was pushed out and this
is the excuse. Is that what's happening here? That's what
they're insinuating. Most people are. Garrett, all of this, as
President Trump says, he's considering new strikes against Iran. Well,
Sam, he's given this weekend as a loose deadline for.
potential resumption of airstrikes. And we've just learned that not
only will the president not attend his son's wedding, but
he's also canceled planned travel to his club in New
Jersey and will instead remain at the White House this
weekend. I see people on all sides of the political
spectrum saying, oh, it's just an excuse. Like, you really
are. That's really rude towards Tulsi Gabbard. If she wanted
to quit, I'm pretty sure she'd just quit. Yeah, she's
not a bullshit artist. Here's MS Now. This is the,
uh, let's see what they say. I'm gonna put you
on the spot and, um, and I apologize for that,
David, but we just got this posting from, um... Donald
Trump on Truth Social, as was predicted by Jake Traylor.
And I'm going to read it in full, but it
also talks about who's going to be taking over, at
least in the interim, for Tulsi Gabbard, a guy named
Aaron Lucas. But let me read the posting. Unfortunately, after
having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving
the administration on June. 30th her wonderful husband stop it
stop the clip I gotta go back on that. A
guy named... Aaron Lucas. So you don't refer, normally you
would just say his name. what his position is. But
the way to say a guy named as if it's
like, as I say, I don't know, some guy named
blah. Well, they're going to follow up with who he
is. But it's beside the point. It's a disrespectful way
of presenting it. Also. You'll hear in this clip that
she's going to be leaving June 30th. Which is, I
guess that's a, she has a transition period while she's...
Helping her husband? It wasn't immediate. She didn't walk out
in a huff. No, she did not. In full, but
it also talks about who's going to be taking over,
at least in the interim, for Tulsi Gabbard, a guy
named Aaron Lucas. But let me read the post. You're
right. That is funny. Unfortunately, after having done a great
job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June
30th. Her wonderful husband, Abraham, has been recently diagnosed with
a rare form of bone cancer, and she, rightfully, wants
to be with him, bringing him back to good health
as they currently fight a tough battle together. I have
no doubt he will soon be better than ever. Tulsi
has done an incredible job, and we will miss her.
Her highly respected principal deputy director of national intelligence, Aaron
Lucas, will serve as acting director of national intelligence. All
right, let's find out who Aaron is. I'm looking at
his bio, but he's a seasoned intelligence professional, former CIA
chief of station. Do you know any... else about him
can you get any more insights yeah he's a guy
and he's named Aaron into this guy Aaron Lucas she
does it again this is it again a guy what
is the point what is the point is this guy
who is this guy I'm looking now I mean he
was confirmed by the Senate in a sort of party
line vote but there was I think he is experienced
and I want to give him a chance. I don't
know him specifically in his background very well. And I
sort of agree with Mark here. Do some work. This
is going to be John Ratcliffe. So there'll be someone
in that position, but... One of the problems is that
another key person, the director of the National National Counterintelligence
Center resigned because in opposition to the war with Iraq.
So you now have no Senate confirmed director of national
intelligence. um you'll have an acting in that position and
the nctc wait stop Didn't he just a few seconds
ago say that along party lines, they confirmed this guy
Aaron? Yeah, yeah. Well, now is he saying there's no
confirmed? What is he talking about? It's either confirmed or
it's not. No, no. Along party lines. But he's... Let's
listen again. Hold on. with Iraq. So you now have
no Senate-confirmed Director of National Intelligence. You'll have an acting
in that position, and the NCTC position is empty as
well. So it's not great to have Joe Kent had
resigned from the position of National Intelligence. the director of
the National Counterterrorism Center. That is underneath the ODNI. That's
underneath Gabbard's old office. this kind of vacancy and changes
while the U.S. is at war, you know, is not
great. And I want to reemphasize there should have been
an intelligence assessment. How would Iran respond to being bombed?
Would Iran try to seize control of the straight-forward moves?
And I'm just saying this for viewers, and that has
to be an incredibly factual, rigorous assessment, not based on—
Hold on. Stop it again. Who says there wasn't? MSNOW.
Who says there wasn't? MSNOW. These guys just make it
up as they go along? He doesn't know one way
or the other. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they make it
up as they go along. Yes. In fact, I'm quite
sure. They're getting most of their news off of X
like everybody else. That's what that is. I don't know
how anyone. can watch this crap. Well, it's our job,
John. No, I'm saying, see, MS now is a deplorable
operation. Politics or, you know, the wishes of the president,
frankly, it's important for intelligence to speak truth to power.
Truth to power. Because there was a mistake in this
war. We didn't seem to have... anticipate that Iran would
close the Strait of Hormuz and you know you've now
had to know that he doesn't know that at all
gone for no reason no that is possible that we
exactly what we wanted yes months in a global energy
crisis so that's why having stability and non-partisan people in
these jobs is so important yeah but Nonpartisan people. Nonpartisan,
my ass. Well, this is one of these guys who's,
you know, he's a contributor. So he wants to be
contributing, wants to keep contributing. So he's got to say
things that they want to hear the contributor say. I
get it. He's just doing his job. I thought I
had a Fox version of this story. Let me listen.
Tony, I want to move to this because there's some
big news that happened last night. We learned that Tulsi
Gabbard, DNI director, has put in her resignation. And part
of it is because or the reason she says she
is resigning is her husband, Abraham, has come down with
a rare form of. Bone cancer. Those of us who
know her and her husband, they are the most amazing
people, are heartbroken over this. And yet, I want you
to watch this montage of how the Democrats. They're doing
super cuts now. Have reacted to this news. This is
the fourth woman to leave the administration? In the past
few months. The impact on US foreign policy, I think
it's basically irrelevant. She was entirely out of the loop
on decision making. This was because basically she's just not
in sync with this administration. This is why her initials
D&I became Do Not Invite. You know, probably one of
the worst things that I've read. Yeah, no, I'm pretty
sure that this is a real resignation for those reasons.
I think she was having a good time. I think
she actually... Yeah, she seemed to be. She was on
a lot of podcasts and she was... yakking it up
and she seemed competent and she did the thing about
Obama which nobody followed up on. And that was a
big deal. Yeah. So, I don't know. Here is... Just
to remind everybody, this is what she did. She did
this years ago. Declassified by the Office of the Director
of National Intelligence yesterday and released publicly just moments ago
is an exchange of emails initiated by Michael S. Rogers,
the four-star admiral now retired. Did you ever hear this?
I never really heard this one about. We liked Rogers,
Admiral Rogers, who was running the NSA. Yeah, he was
a good guy. And he was the one that said,
hey, this FBI guy is pulling all kinds of stuff.
They're spying on you, dude. They're spying on you, man.
But I never heard about this. This is about the
intelligence assessment, which is very bad for Clapper. Who headed
the National Security Agency in the second Obama term. Rogers
wrote to his boss, then Director of National Intelligence James
Clapper, in late December of 2016 to say that he,
the Admiral, had just returned from overseas travel and had
received an update on, quote, our efforts to produce a
joint product related to Russian attribution and intent for the
DNC-DCCC hacks. I know that this activity is on a
fast track, Rogers wrote, to put together a product that
can be provided to the president. I asked my team
if they'd had sufficient access to the underlying intelligence and
sufficient time to review that intelligence. On both points, Rogers
said, my team raised concerns. My folks aren't fully comfortable
saying they've had enough. to be absolutely confident in their
assessments, he wrote. that is CIA, FBI, NSA jointly authored,
that we can all defend. If NSA is intended to
be a co-author of this product, Rogers said also, I
personally expect to see even the most sensitive evidence related
to the conclusion. If your intent is to create a
CIA-only or CIA-FBI-authored product, then, Rogers concluded, I will stand
down on these concerns. Had you ever heard about this?
No, not at all. There's a part two to this
which really, really nails Clapper. On that email, Admiral Rogers
cc'd FBI Director James Comey, seen as... and CIA Director
John Brennan seen at screen right, flanking the DNI, James
Clapper seated in the middle for their joint congressional testimony
10 months before this email in February of 2016. Director
Clapper took a little over 12 hours to reply to
Admiral Rogers, and when he did, he addressed Brennan and
Comey as well, suggesting... They too, during those 12 hours,
privately expressed views similar to those of Rogers. Clapper began,
Mike, John, Jim, understand your concern. It is essential that
we, CIA, NSA, FBI, ODNI, be on the same page,
Clapper wrote, and we're all supportive of the report. In
the highest tradition of, that's... and we're sticking to it,
quote-unquote. We may have to compromise on our normal modalities,
since we must do this on such a compressed timetable.
This, Clapper concluded, is one project that has to be
a team sport. Jim. This latest declassification by Director Tulsi
Gabbard's office comes after she referred these matters to the
Justice Department. for additional investigation. And Attorney General Pam Bondi
then directed the impanelment of a federal grand jury in
Florida. Yeah. Clapper, we always knew this guy was the
loser. Yeah. He's the one that screws it all up.
And he did all, well, you know, the timeline is
important, so... We may have to go away from our
regular modalities, i.e. just write something up. I think this
is more smoking gun than people realize. I think so,
too. But then I, you know, went over to Bondi.
That was the end of it. Well, no, no, no.
No, Bondi referred it to. No, no, no, no. I
think DeGenoa is doing that stuff. Florida. Isn't that DeGenima?
Isn't he running that? I think so. What? What? Yes,
DeGenoa and his wife. No. Yes, yes. What, the sealed
indictments guy? Yes, yes. No, that guy's not even in
the picture. He is, he is. Yes, he is DeGenoa.
Let me see. Yes. Yes. You're... I'm telling you. Well,
you can be telling me all you want. I want
some evidence. Yeah, I'm looking. I thought I had a
clip about him. Uh, Joe... I know Gorka's back in
the picture. What's he doing? I don't know, but somebody
mentioned he's part of the administration, not doing something. Sebastian
Gorka. Now I'm going to have... Here, here, here. Clapper.
telling you it was i'm telling you is the genoa
and you're having a big no dream no no no
no hold on a second well let's uh let's ask
the book of knowledge That'll do it. Let me see.
There's a... Uh... Oh man. Here we go. Where is
this out? Okay. So book of knowledge, yes. Hopefully this
will work. Book of knowledge. Is Joe DiGenoa involved? in
the grand jury in Florida about Russiagate. The long, long,
long search for the book of knowledge. According to the
Book of Knowledge, Joe DiGenova will oversee the... Spygate probe
in Florida after the DOJ removed a deep state prosecutor
and is heading up a Florida-based federal investigation into former
federal officials who investigated Trump. He assumes leadership of the
ongoing grand jury probe based in Fort Pierce, with the
investigation being overseen by U.S. Attorney Jason Redding-Quijones and using
a grand jury run by Judge Eileen Cannon. DOS It
has been written. Told you. Oh, that's going to go
nowhere then. Well, that's a possibility, but for some reason...
and they brought him back in. Yeah. To kill it.
We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Okay, I got two
clips here I want to... I do have a clip
blitz if we have time for it. Oh, goodness. Let's
do the newer UFO files just released. Yes. NBC clip.
Yes. New, new, new. New release. UFO files, like this
one in Kazakhstan, a mysterious object lighting up the night
sky. Other videos showing pulsing balls of light flying erratically
and seeming to defy laws of physics. Some even appearing
to fly in formations. Part of the Pentagon's release of
more than 50 declassified videos and first-hand accounts following President
Trump's directive to release government UFO files. The files include
audio of astronauts decades ago describing mysterious bright lights and
particles. There's a whole bunch of big ones on my
weather banner. Just right. Looks like the 4th of July
outruns my... That's literally from Gemini 7, which is like...
Was I even born when this came out? I don't
think so. In this report from last year, in an
encounter that lasted over an hour, a U.S. intelligence officer
reported oval-shaped orange orbs coming within 10 feet of a
U.S. helicopter, splitting in two and speeding away, leaving military
and intelligence professionals speechless. Other videos may have an explanation.
Here, a U.S. F-16 fighter jet shoots down an object
over Michigan's Lake Huron in 2023, the same day the
Pentagon said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon
over that lake. Experts tell us no video released so
far proves any... Hold on, stop. Despite Balloon wasn't shot
down over Lake- curing it was shot down over the
Atlantic. Well, there were two spy balloons, weren't there? I
don't remember two. All I remember is the one that
they let go floating all over the place. It was
a daily news item. And then once it got to
the Atlantic, they shot it down. With a missile. With
a million dollar missile. Yeah. I think there was another
one that floated down and that's how they figured out
it was from China. Pretty sure there was another one.
I'm not convinced of that. But it wasn't Shemuel. Hey,
don't make me consult the book of knowledge. Object over
Michigan's Lake Huron in 2023. The same day the Pentagon
said it shot down a possible Chinese spy balloon over
that lake. Experts tell us no video released so far.
There's nothing in any of these that proves anything about
alien life. All it shows you is that there's stuff
in the sky that initially can't be explained. This was
the Pentagon's second release of UFO files, and they're expected
to roll out the next one in the coming weeks.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that... We are only, what are
we now, two and a half weeks away from Steven
Spielberg's Disclosure Day? Yeah, and the releases will end after
the movie does its thing. Well, yes, it probably will.
Let's see if I had any... No, I just said
that's not important. Let's go to the next item, which
is the Ebola update, BBC. Yes, yes, this is interesting.
Health officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo say the
current Ebola outbreak has resulted in more than 200 deaths
in three provinces. Earlier on Saturday, the government suspended all
flights to and from one of the epicenters, the northeastern
city of Bunia. Thomas Nadi reports. It's unusual for the
DRC government to suspend flights during an Ebola outbreak. Previously,
airline operators have made this decision for themselves. The Transport
Ministry said the measure was to prevent any cross-border spread
of the epidemic and to guarantee the health and safety
of passengers, crews and airports. staff. The Transport Ministry did
not say it was banning humanitarian, medical or emergency flights,
but that these will be assessed and will require approval
from health and aviation authorities. The Democratic Republic of Congo's
football team say they will not change their preparations for
next month's World Cup, despite being told to isolate by
the United States because of the Ebola outbreak. A White
House official said the squad needed to remain in a
bubble for 21 days before traveling to the U.S. I
love the bubble. But a Congolese spokesperson said all the
players were based outside the DRC and their plans remained
the same. Well, since you brought it up, I've got
our scarf lady back again. She's still in the news.
Deborah Birx. The WHO rather says there are now almost
750 suspected cases in the Congo, around the Congo, and
nearly 200 deaths. How does the severity of this situation
compare to previous outbreaks? Well, the problem with this particular
outbreak is there was probably two, three or four cycles
of infection before it was even reported. And so a
lot of the numbers you're seeing and the rapid rise
of the numbers is because it went undetected and underreported
for probably three or four weeks. That resulted in a
lot of case reporting all at once. And so I
can't really tell you what the slope of new cases
are, which is It's really the important thing when you're
following an acute infectious disease. But just to make it
very clear to your audience, the people we are seeing
today that are cases were probably infected two weeks ago.
And so I think that's what makes us all concerned
is we're looking at this virus and this outbreak with
really old data. Now, I'm only playing her clips because
she, for one, said something that was interesting and a
little counterintuitive to the narrative, and this is on CBS.
As you know, in the past year and a half,
the Trump administration has largely dismantled U.S. aid. It has
withdrawn. Come on, Debra, blame it on Trump, blame it
on Trump. You know I had this clip. Blaming USAID
for everything. But wait. From the World Health Organization, it
cut funding to the Congo and Uganda. Do you think
that those moves contributed to the delay in reporting this
outbreak? And are they contributing to the lack of... supplies
in dealing with the outbreak in the Congo. Do you
really have this clip or do you have a clip
like it? No, I had it. I didn't have that
exact clip, but I had a clip where they're blaming
USAID because obviously it's our job to keep the Congo
from getting Ebola and it's our job to monitor the
Congo. And the Congolese themselves and everybody in Africa, they
got nothing to do with anything because they're too stupid.
So USAID has to be there. And it's been gutted
by Trump. So this whole thing is Trump's fault. That's
what she's angling for, our Nancy Cordes. But Birx has
a different story. Well, when I look what the administration
has done recently, I think they put 50, 100 million
dollars out there immediately and sent people as part of
the response. I think the bigger question to me is
a lot of us in the global community. The global
community. John, are you and I in the global community?
Well, it's possible. Sometimes maybe we. We touch on it.
And the global community. A lot of us in the
global community invested extensively in creating the African CDC for
this very reason, for this very response. Hundreds of millions
of dollars went into building laboratory capacity in the DRC,
at the African CDC, and for some reason that... failed
us and so what we need to do is figure
So we put hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of
millions of dollars in the global community into the African
CDC. So we paid for it, our CDC in Africa.
And for some reason it failed. Aha. Why didn't we
detect this earlier? Why didn't the instance? Institutions that we
all stood up as a global community effectively control this
outbreak early Because I think you guys are just there
to spread disease You're not actually there to combat it
so that it didn't spread as far and wide as
it has within the DRC I understand it's a conflict
area, but we have to do better. We owe it
to the people in the DRC And now listen to
what she says about USAID. This... It completely destroys the
narrative. I hear what you're saying about the fact that
the money is now flowing from the US to the
region. But we talked to aid workers in the region
as well, who said that a lot of local programs
were terminated after USAID was dismantled. programs aimed at Ebola
preparedness and response, and so they just don't have the
same capacity as they did before. Hold on a second.
Is this CBS? Yep. So this is Ellison's crowd and
this is what's her name? Barry Weiss. And they're on
the side of like re-arming USAID and the scam that
it is with the money laundering that goes on with
that thing. This is TBS. Why does Nancy Cordes even
have a job? They are only doing what Israel tells
them to do, John. Don't you know that? Because Larry
Ellison, you know. She talked about leading the witness. But
listen to the answer. As they did before. I think
it's a great question and we need to really look
at that. I know CDC's global health security program was
retained and a lot of that funding retained. I know
we had people. in Kinshasa as part of the CDC.
If you look at the Uganda funding, now I'm looking
at it from the HIV side, which really built a
lot of the laboratory capacity. This year, they're getting over
$400 million. So maybe there was a 5% cut. But
I think the American people were thinking that these programs
had been slashed. If you look at the MOUs, the
agreements that the U.S. government have been made, I've actually
been reassured by the numbers that are there on paper.
Gotcha. Thank you, Deborah Birx. Unexpected. Yeah, that was good.
That's a great, I'm giving you a clip of the
day for that. I am going to accept it with
great honor. If I could find my clip of the
day. Yes. With great honor. Great honor as I look
for it. Hold on, I found it. There's the clip
of the day. Got a note from one of our
producers, Boots on the Ground, says, you guys recently mentioned
a lawsuit against an AI company where Kidd asked if
it was okay to mix Xanax with Kratom. That is
a great note, by the way. I am aware of
this claim because I'm in a couple of pro-Kratom groups.
Now, we have to say we have a producer who
makes Kratom drinks. He has sent me these Kratom drinks.
I don't even know what Kratom is. It's a plant.
The Indians chew this all the time. Indians or American
Indians? No, Indians. Indians. Indian in India? India in India,
yes. Oh, okay. It's like, okay. And they extract the
sap and they do all kinds of stuff with it.
They chew it, okay. Yeah, they chew it. And I
remember our producer sent me like 24 bottles and the
post office was all mad because three of them exploded
in the box and it was a huge mess. huge
mess but i drank one or two like yeah what
does it do to you yeah it gives you a
little like minor body buzz i guess body buzz yeah
a little little body buzz but what and when we
talk about this is years ago people were saying that
they had been hooked on heroin uh they had all
kinds of drug dependency issues and kratom was in fact
what was responsible for them getting off of that and
it's a natural product now there there is a synthesized
version which is not what our producers are talking about
but so this producers in a lot of procreative groups
i just recently noticed that this is the same case
that led to Kratom being banned in Tennessee, where I
sit at this very moment. The part this AI lawsuit
and the Tennessee ban both leave out is that the
kid. was Uhhhh... This is what the kids do. Maybe
it's a TikTok challenge. The kids want to see the
hat man, quote unquote, the hat. man. by taking insane
doses of Benadryl. an act that leads to hallucination. So
the implication here from our producers that it was the
overdosing on Benadryl that made the kid kill himself, not
the Kratom and not the Xanax. But man, it sure
did contribute to that law being passed. Covering the state
capitol now, Tennessee passes a full ban on what's often
referred to as gas station heroin after ongoing debate over
the effects of Kratom. Kratom is derived from a Southeast
Asian plant and supporters say when it's in its natural...
form kratom can help curb opioid addiction and manage pain.
So it makes total sense that we would ban that
plant because we can't get involved with the drug companies,
now can we? But Tennessee legislators sided with caution this
week, aligning with advocates who say kratom in any form
can lead to addiction. and even deadly overdoses. Tennessee now
joins eight other states in banning kratom entirely, even in
its natural form. And that's the problem. So... Banning the
natural plants. Well, you gotta read the end of the
guy's note. Well, that's all I had in mind. What
did you have at the end of his note? The
end of the note was he got a hold of
the toxicology report on the kid. I'm sorry. Yes, he
did. He got a hold of the toxicology report. Yeah,
well, read that. That's the best part. I don't have
that in my notes. Oh, okay. Well, I'll just tell
you what it says. Yeah, he had four times the...
Four times the lethal dose. Dose of Benadryl in his
system. Yeah. So I had almost everything except for the.
The punchline. Well, precisely. I hand back my clip of
the day. This bill addresses the growing public health and
safety concerns surrounding kratom, often marketed as a natural supplement.
But natural does not mean safe. The Kratom plant has
been used as an alternative to opioids, a way to
wean addicts off heroin, and as a natural way to
relieve pain. But in recent years, Kratom has been modified
into a stronger synthetic form known as 7-hydroxy or 7-OH.
often sold at gas stations and vape shops as a
supplement or extract. Experts say 7-OH is 13 more times
potent than morphine. Yeah, okay. So there's a synthetic version,
which obviously is a problem. But the plant itself, I
mean, I think that should be invested. Where is our...
This should be investigated. Because I've heard enough. That guy's
got enough problems. I've heard nothing but positive things. Nothing
but positive things about Kratom. The plant, not the... vape
shop, gas station heroin or whatever they're calling it. Well,
I've heard nothing at all. 33. Clip Blitz. Clip Blitz.
All right. Clip Blitz. What are we doing? Okay, let's
start with voting rights and athletes. The NAACP is urging
black athletes who are being recruited by public universities and
states weakening the power of black voters to not commit
to going to those schools until those states... governments restore
fair congressional maps. The Civil Rights Group is targeting eight
states in the South where major college football and basketball
programs made up of mostly black players rake in big
money. The NAACP is also asking college athletes to elevate
the issue and call on leaders to speak out against
racial redistricting. It's also urging alumni, donors, and fans to
withhold financial support. Several Republican-led states are racing to redraw
congressional districts in an effort to flip seats, effectively diluting
black voting power. All right. Yeah, yeah, that's going to
work. Screw the black athletes. I'm sorry. Steve Hilton had.
Ah, Steve Hilton head in the clip blitz. What is
going on with the Clip Blitz? Steve Hilton. There's a
long lead-in to the Eclipse. The NAACP is urging black
athletes who are being recruited by public... No, that's not
Hilton. Where's Hilton head? Skip it. Go ahead and lift.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Try it again. Hold
on. Don't move. Republican commentator Steve Hilton and former health
secretary Javier Becerra, a Democrat, continue to lead the primary
for California governor. KQED politics correspondent Guy Marzarati has more
on a new survey from the state Democratic Party. The
poll finds Hilton leading the pack with the. support of
22% of likely voters. Becerra is in second with 21%,
followed by investor Tom Steyer with 15%. 13% of voters
remain undecided just two weeks before the June 2nd primary.
The survey could ease some Democrats' fears about two Republicans
advancing to November. Under the state's top two primary, it
finds Hilton as opens a comfortable lead over Riverside County
Sheriff Chad Bianco. We got to make it illegal. Make
it illegal. That can't happen. We can't have that happen.
Clip Blitz! Clip Blitz! Alright, Clip Blitz! Lyft driver used
AI photos to the index of father from Boca Verde.
Florida claiming a Lyft driver used AI photos to falsely
accuse his teen daughters of damaging his car, charging a
$75 fee. They sent the father photos, but at the
bottom right, the Gemini logo. Now, Gemini is Google's AI
assistant that can generate false images. Lyft has now apologized
and blocked the driver from their app. It's another No
Agenda. Let's go! Cliblitz. Was that it? That was a
good one. Elon Musk lawsuit. Hold on. Elon Musk lawsuit.
Yes. Welcome back. This just in tonight. A jury has
thrown out Elon Musk's massive lawsuit against OpenAI and Sam
Altman. A federal jury. found that Musk waited too long
to sue. He had accused Altman of illegally enriching himself
off the company that must help start with him. Musk
says he will appeal, saying the judge didn't rule on
the merits of that case. All right, now can I
play a couple of clips about AI stuff since you've
led us here with your cliplets or is there more
cliplets? There's a couple more. Ugh. Well, can we- Don't
give me that! Can we take- Your clip blitz is
like three- This one here, I want to play this
one because this is a sad one. Three clip blitzes.
Oh, okay. Sad one. Alright. It's another No Agenda. No
Agenda! All right. CBS Radio signs off. Yeah. Have you
heard this? Yep. Of course. Before there was television, long
before there were podcasts, CBS radio basically invented broadcast news.
In big cities and remote farmhouses, families would gather around
the radio to hear President Roosevelt deliver a fireside chat.
Now we've got Mondami on Twitch. Or Edward R. Murrow's
eyewitness accounts of the Blitz. Broadcast like that one brought
the sound of the world into people's living rooms. In
the process, CBS Radio made the world... and listeners' vision
a little broader. Generations of talented wordsmiths polished their craft
at CBS. Before Charles Kuralt went on the road and
Peggy Noonan penned speeches for presidents, they got their start
working overnights, pounding away at typewriters, painting vivid pictures for
the ear. CBS Radio is still carried on... some 700
stations. But fewer people are listening to the radio these
days. There are other ways to entertain yourself in the
car now, and young people have grown to expect more
personalized programming from their smartphones. CBS's parent company was sold
to David Ellison's Skydance Media last year. The new owners
announced two months ago they were silencing the microphones and
laying off the radio staff. Christopher Cruz is set to
deliver the final CBS radio newscast just after 11.30 Eastern
time tonight. Well, in an interesting twist, there was a
prophecy about this happening. Back in 1990. And the prophecy
is this, because if you listen, how does this start
off? This starts off by them saying, Before there was
television, long before there were podcasts. Right? So... Our first
house, the first house I bought. in New Jersey in
1990 I bought from Dallas Townsend. Does that name ring
a bell to you? It sounds familiar, but I can't
place it at the moment. He was the quintessential CBS
radio news guy. And when we bought the house, there
was a big picture of Walter Cronkite above the fireplace.
out And so in an odd sort of way, that
was the passing of the torch. 10 years before podcasting
came to be. So that was, in fact, a prophecy.
How's it a prophecy? Well, because I'm making it into
one. Hello, okay. Hello. I'm just making it up as
I go along, John. Yeah, you're just like the MS
Now people. Okay, I'm going to cut you off. If
you talk to me like that, you might as well
just say I'm a horrible person. Alright, Clip Blitz, come
on, Clip Blitz. It's another No Agenda. Okay, well the
last... Do you want to play one more, the Minnesota?
I don't really, but yeah, I'll do it. Well, you
don't have to. No, now we've announced it. We did
a clipless jingle. Well, then play this Minnesota. Which one
is it? It doesn't say. I don't have a Minnesota.
Classic cars. Classic cars. Minnesota lawmakers want to ground your
classic. car five days a week. Yeah, I saw this.
A new Minnesota bill could ban most weekday and nighttime
driving for classic cars. Now, this is kind of wild.
Of course, we enjoy seeing classic cars on the road.
Brings a smile to everyone's face, you'd think, but that
experience might be about to become even rarer in Minnesota
because the new law, if passed, would limit classic... cars
to driving only on weekends or at special events well
okay i saw this story and someone sent it to
me it was like this is they're getting classic cars
off the road hey That's only because these people want
cheap registration. If you register your car as a car,
You can drive it whenever you want. Yeah, it's true.
It's kind of misleading. It's kind of misleading. Very misleading.
But at the same time, what is the point? I
mean, but this is now misleading, maybe. But is this
a foreboding? Is this a prophecy, perhaps, that's going to
start to move the older cars out because they won't
have... have computers that can track you? Ah, through the
data centers and the flock cameras and the license plate
readers? Hmm. Absolutely. Coincidence? I think not. I shall wind
us up here with a few clips from CNBC. I
like CNBC because they kind of can't lie. Well, they
can. They can, but... It doesn't go over with the
investors. It doesn't go over well with their audience at
all, however small it is. This is about the AI
IPOs. And we're now starting to get some information, starting
off with SpaceX. Texas IPO. And I thought it was
a relatively intelligent conversation about getting out first, who's making
money, who's doing what. And for those of you who
get value from the show by hearing us talk about
things, maybe this is of value to you. Last night,
though. Around dinner time here in the Bay Area, the
SpaceX Prospectus dropped. Dropped? Drop? Pick it up. I remember
when we went public in 96. Well, it looks like
Think New Ideas have filed their S1 document. Now it's
just looks like it dropped. though around dinner time here
in the bay area the spacex prospectus dropped and it
was a 308 page document that is part rocket company
part satellite empire part frontier ai lab all wrapped in
a controlled company structure with elon musk holding majority of
the board now the ai segment that is the part
that i want to dig in to today because essentially
all paths in that S1 lead back to AI. You're
right. This lady could be replaced by an AI agent
going, let's do a deep dive. The financials have three
main sections, space, connectivity, and AI. The AI segment, it
did $3.2 billion in revenue last year. on 6.4 billion
of losses. Now, the eye-popping number, though, that was CapEx,
as it often is these days. Nearly $13 billion on
AI infrastructure, which is four times the revenue it is
currently bringing in. So if you are a bear, the
math here in this last one, it's pretty straightforward. If
it's a $2 trillion valuation... has been reported and speculated
on 18 billion dollars in total revenue last year you're
looking at more than 100 times sales for contacts nvidia
trades at around 23 times palantir one of the most
stretched names in the public market around 88 so spacex
would be coming in higher than either of them and
it's actually not actually profitable it is losing money Here's
the other thing, though. SpaceX has never been priced on
traditional measures, and that is unlikely to change right now.
This is a growth bet on Elon Musk full stop.
And the same investors who bought SpaceX... Did she say
full stop in the middle of a sentence? yes but
she never stopped no that's bad form i agree private
rounds 400 500 600 billion dollars They did it because
of him. The retail demand on day one, likely going
to be enormous. And whatever you think of Musk's politics
or pay package, he has done something that no one
else has, built category-defining companies not once or twice, three
times. So that bet on SpaceX, it also matters beyond
this IPO itself because... OpenAI is reportedly planning a confidential
filing as soon as this week. Anthropic may not be
far behind. Players in the infrastructure layer underneath, all of
them are watching Q and trying to figure out their
own windows. What was the bell for? I just felt
like that bell was needed. So, in this... Anthropic's not...
far behind in this follow all three of these things
in this follow-up clip they're going to give you some
insight about the differences between the three i thought it
was reasonably good i'm not sure it matters too much
uh who goes first okay the no agenda show disagrees
whoever goes first is gonna is gonna be the big
winner everyone else we don't think that's Every so often
something like this happens. The first one goes and they
did the big winner. Then the next one goes and
then something screwy happens and then it folds and the
third one gets nothing. I'm not sure it matters too
much who goes first. It does matter. It does. I
think they're just so different in the model. Obviously, SpaceX
is really a bet on Elon and his vision. OpenAI,
I think, is really a bet on the consumerization of
AI. And I know OpenAI recently has started to move
away from the consumer model and more to enterprise. But
their DNA has been a consumer-first AI company. Anthropic, from
the beginning, was... hey we're an enterprise solution and so
i think one of the things to think about is
where do investors believe the the future at least in
the near term near to medium term right the next
two to five years where should they place their chips
they could place on both but if you have to
pick one do you pick on ai and consumers or
do you pick on ai uh in the enterprise and
that's In the private market, that was the trade for
venture. The venture capitalists that believed in AI would be
a consumer application first before anything else, bet on open
AI. And the ones that believed it was the enterprise,
bet on entropic. And I think now retail and the
rest of us will get to make that choice. I'm
going to give you my opinion. You just say blah,
blah, blah. Well, you should have cut him short. then
you should give your opinion instead of listening to that.
What's your opinion? I don't have an opinion. Exactly. As
crazy as he seems, I think Elon Musk is actually
doing the smartest thing. It may never come to be
his data centers in space. I don't know. But he's
selling compute. It's anthropic. I think he's giving up on
the LLM business and Grok will just be whatever it
is for people to go, "Hey, Grok, take your shirt
off." and uh hey grok remove the loser or hey
grok remove the remove the jew they do this all
the time You've seen that. Yahoo. It's funny though. It's
so horrible. I think, I think Musk has the right
idea. Be in the, in the cheapest infrastructure business. Once
you get those things up in space using the sun.
And I don't know about anthropic and open AI. But
then my final clip will be from Jeff Bezos. It
was a very different take on AI taking your job
away. So there are so many smart people and they
are smart and they are saying, oh my God, you
know, there's going to be no more radiologists because, you
know, AI can read x-rays better than a radiologist can.
And there are going to be no more software engineers
because AI can program better than... software engineer again. These
people are wrong. So what's really going to happen is
that it's going to elevate all of these people and
there's going to, it's like, it's like you've been digging,
let's say you're a software engineer. Right. What it's, the,
the analogy I can give you is you've been digging
out a basement for your house. with a shovel and
somebody was about to hand you a bulldozer. You should
be so happy if you're digging the basement to your
house and somebody says, hey, how about this? I have
a tool here that's going to... And what's really going
to happen is we're going to have so much productivity
in our economy. For example, this is just one effect.
A lot of people who have two earner income households,
one of the people is going to drop out of
the workforce. That's why we're going to have a labor
shortage. Because of the productivity gains, you're going to be
able to afford things. predict will actually have deflation of
certain core. Assuming we let this technology play out and
don't hamstring it with regulation too early. We will actually
have you know, everything will get your food will get
cheaper. Whoa Now that's a different take I like it.
I like it too. I think he's right. I'm with
you on that. I'm surprised by that because you hated
this AI thing. Well, I hated the chat part of
it. Yes, I thought that was stupid. I've been using
AI for all kinds of things. Coding. That's true. You're
like an acolyte. I don't know. I don't know what
that means. That figures. But if it's a prophecy. But
you're one of them. But I want to wear that
mantle. And I also want to thank you for your
courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who
put the C in cowabunga. Say hello to my friend
on the other end, the one and the only, Mr.
John C. Yeah, well in the morning you and Ms.
I think K is cowabunga spelled with a K. I'm
John. No, it's not. It's definitely spelled with a C.
Let me count the trolls for a second. Let me
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It was a bad, very, very bad day for her.
No, I don't think there was anything else we really
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learn so much from your show, especially during COVID. Thank
you, she says. I could fill pages with examples of
what a wonderful husband and best friend he was, but
nobody has that much time. So I'll just say that
in all of our years together, we never had a
fight. I've been meaning to write in and make him
a knight. However, I never felt like it was the
right moment. It always made me sad thinking about the
fact that he would be a posthumous knight. But once
I heard about the Order of the Heart, I knew
I had to make him a red knight, something special.
I would love it if you could de-douche him posthumously.
Well, of course you can. You've been de-douched. There are
a couple of jingles that he really liked, Climate Gate
and Fear is Freedom, and I would love it if
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name, I would love it to be Sir J. Bones,
a nickname of mine for him. Thank you. I'm going
to send a letter and donate soon so I can
be his dame. Thank you both for keeping me sane,
not just during that time that he was here with
me, but since then as well. I tune into every
show and try to imagine him next to me, listening
and laughing. I'm sure he's up. listening and laughing and
watching you. Big thank you to you both and to
Noage and the Nation for helping to keep us all
sane during this insane time. Sincerely, J. Bones' loving wife,
Caddy Bones. To the gate, to the gate, to the
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Onward with Aaron and Lopez in Santa Rosa, California, 1000.
And he sent a note in, a physical note. Hello,
John and Adam. I'm a first-time donor. I couldn't pass
up the chance to become a Red Knight on my
first donation. I have been listening to the show since
COVID. and felt the need to return the value in
these trying times. I'm entering my final year of college.
Wow. I like this. At Sonoma State. And I would
like some Jobs Karma, Pelosi Jobs Karma, the classic, of
course, as I search for an accounting internship. Thanks for
all that. you do please knight me as Sir Blue
Wolf of the bean counter. Sincerely, Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, it's
H-E. Ernan, Ernan. Ernan, Ernan, Ernan. Lopez. He's got a
pronunciation guide for his name, but. Lopez is what we
call him. And I'm gonna dedouche him. He didn't ask
for it, but, uh, first-time donor. You've been dedouched. Jobs,
jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got
karma. We drop straight from the executive producers in the
thousands down to our first associate executive producer, Chris Dubendorf
from Brookville, Maryland, 257.94. Did not have a note, but
does have an American flag emoji, so I'm going to
say that is likely for Memorial Day. And I will
still... Add a double up karma for you. You've got...
Karma. So we didn't have one normal executive producer. Yeah,
we did. Oh, executive. No, well, I mean, what do
you mean normal? 33333. Okay, well, that's a 333. We
had four executive producers. No, I'm saying normal. Okay. Dame
Melavation in Colorado Springs 250, she wrote an attached note.
He's got kind of interesting handwriting. Dear JCD and AC,
here's some value. This is probably a two. 50 donation
for the two 50. uh 250 years yeah yeah this
was a promotion you put it in the newsletter i
remember yeah we got one - I'm pretty sure Chris
was one as well, and the fees were $7.94. Just
guessing. Okay. Celebrating 250 years of this great nation, you
two will be... part of this country's history. Yeah, I
think so. After 20 years. By keeping our amygdalas small,
it's good to hear John being back to his old
self, but with a seemingly slightly softer edge. My dad
had triple bypass at the age of 52 and he's
still around at 87. John, you have 30 more good
years left. Please keep the best podcast in the universe
going until after JD or Marco are sworn in as
number 48. um And he's got, oh, okay. Thank you
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the many blessings on everyone peace and joy dame melevation
melanie drys oh very nice dame elevation thank you for
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And he says, Dear Adam and John, Uh... Oops, sorry,
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well, you talk to John. That's the right guy to
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So this donation is a thank you for a great
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could you please... Explain to him how the value for
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as a PDF. that it's it's free with the idea
that the book will be downloaded and someone will end
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you want to... You want to sell. Or they download
it and give you what they think it's worth in
the value for value method. But I mean, using the
word free has got to be minimized. Yeah, that has
to go. But did it work well for the too
many eggs doc? I think it worked well, yeah. But
we saw a lot of books. I mean, the idea
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it's 205-24. He is from Bensonville, Illinois. And he says,
more fear-mongering on Ebola and Hantavirus. Actually, I think the
Hanta is over. Uh, Hanta has been pushed to the
back seat. It better be. It's all Ebola. Both have
been lingering in the headlines a little too long, but
I guess... Hey, by the way, can you play the
Ebola jingle at the end of this? Read Ebola. We
haven't heard that at all during the entire Ebola crisis.
Ebola. Yes, that's a good idea. Thank you for reminding
me. But I guess Scott Gottlieb and the rest of
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guy. Ebola. *laughs* Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to
bring those back if this nonsense keeps up. It will
for a while. Ben Sterling. College Station, Texas. Ah, Ben.
Do name Ben. 200. Good old Ben. Yep. This donation
should bring me to Viscount. Wow. Please give me jobs,
Karma, as I just interviewed for my boss's job. And
being a VP for a Fortune 250 company before 40
would be cool. Ask anyone. Also, everyone should give. a
listen to Just Two Good Old Boys podcast with Sir
Gene and I. Baron soon-to-be Viscount dude named Ben, defender
of megawatts, protector of the electric grid. Sincerely, Ben. Yes,
Ben gives us a lot of good information about what's
really happening in the electric grids. Jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs! And coming in as she always
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Colorado. And she wants jobs karma and says your resume
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Linda helps professionals and executives turn their experience into a
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What do you mean you don't have the The tape?
Exactly. I don't have the tape. Hold on. Hold on.
Could you cover in a better way, perhaps? I mean...
You don't like sound effects? Well, I mean, you could
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Okay. Well, let me take a look. How about covering
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Change it! Our title change today is one. It is
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Oh, yeah, very well done. You didn't even hear the
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old school barbecue in the middle of Nashville. Maybe the
last time we'll ever eat there because the taxes are
so high they may have to close it down. But
meetups take place all over the world, literally. And you
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It's no cost. You just find a place. You all
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And this is the meetup in Los Angeles. Proud Bird.
Hey everybody, it's Leo Bravo at meetup number 75 at
the Proud Bird. I'm gonna pass the phone around, my
friends have things to say. Hey John and Adam, Sir
Leah Kim Fopop here, just here at the Proud Bird,
mourning the death of Spirit Airlines. Not really. Sir Robertson
of Two Sticks, enjoying the plain... Thank you Leo Bravo.
Hey, great meetup you guys got here. It's Proud Bird
just doing a little bit of Plane Spot and enjoying
some company with some great folks. Long live the Constitution.
Hey, this is Eric. Just reminding you, trains are better
than planes. Train's good, plane's bad. I'm interested in what
you guys are doing. in the story of the woman
who was plunging into a searing manhole, I think that
anything that happens between two consenting adults should stay that
way. It should not have made the news. Oh, man.
Horrible. This is Angie from the ranch over here at
the Proud Bird hanging out with Leo Bravo. In the
morning. In the morning! In the morning! See, that's what
I'm talking about. You bring in your server. That makes
the whole meter... And I'm sure Daymonette did the same
at the Indy meetup for May. Hello, this is Day
Maria. And Sir Mark. We have a small meetup today,
but it is amazing as always. Come on, come on,
next month. Hey, this is Emily, your Shufflecrat Spook. Insert
something fun here. Brewski here, just enjoying some beers with
the Bald Bros. Sir Rip of the Maple here in
Indianapolis attending my monthly Ambigna Size Regulation Vita. My name
is Toni. I'm from Louisville, Kentucky. I'm honestly too shy
to be here and too gay. This is Katie from
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have their own contest who can sound the coolest on
the meter per port. Good job. I appreciate it. There's
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Jersey to be exact. The We Drink and We Know
Things is probably underway as we speak. The I Need
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just a bit from now, the no ID pop-up. That'll
be at the Alibi Room in Vancouver, British Columbia, in
Scandinavia. Memorial Day, that is tomorrow. The Monday Madness in
Squim, 333 Pacific at Barhop Brewing in Squim. If you
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What could possibly go wrong? It's always a party. ♪
Mix and bake ♪ the same. I feel really bad
about this. But amidst the hard drive issues, I... completely
Did not get my ISOs. So you win. It's just
a matter of choosing which one. Which one would you
like me to play first? Well, I've gone with all
celebrities this show. Oh, nice. So let's start with Arnold
Schwarzenegger and Scrooge. Screw. Screw your other podcasts. This is
the best. *laughs* That's a good one. I like that.
Very good. And who was the other celebrity? The other
one is Hillary Clinton. Wow. The No Agenda podcast is
too delicious to believe, my friend. Wow, this is a-
First of all, where'd you get these? I did them.
You called up Arnold and you called up Hillary. Hey,
Arnold, can you give me a quickie here? I honestly
think Arnold is the better one. Screw your other podcasts.
This is the best. Okay, fine. That may ever be
an evergreen. That is so good. Hey, everybody, right now
it's time. for John's tip of the day. ♪ Fast
for you and me ♪ Just the tip with JCB.
and sometimes Adam. Okay, since I'm a heart patient, I
have to have no salt in my diet basically for
the next year or two. Oh, no. horrible probably forever
yeah And so I've had to come up with ways
of seasoning food that, you know, and other people need
to go and lower salt. They need to know these
things. And so I found a couple of products, which
I think are quite good at salt substitutes. This is
a very good tip for people who can't. Now, why
can't you have salt? What is the reason? What does
salt do to the heart? It changes your electrolytic balance.
And how is that bad for your heart? It makes
your heart go into irregular heartbeats. Oh, okay. That wouldn't
be good. No. No. So that's one of many things.
It's also hard on the kidneys. It has all kinds
of issues. Okay. Now I had a Goya, a Cezanne
though, Total or whatever. picked some time ago, but I'm
gonna bump that and go with "Badia" complete. No added
salt. This is the badia seasoning from the Mexican. food
provider. It's a seasoning. Buy the biggest container of it
that you can find, usually in a Mexican store. And
it, actually, Brennan has said that it saved my palate,
is using this stuff on everything. It is a terrific
all-purpose seasoning. What does it taste like? Well, if you
smell it, you can smell all kinds of stuff in
it. It's got garlic and onion. It's got the basic
things, and it's also kosher for people who worry about
that. Well, our Jew money, people will be happy. Yeah,
it's kosher, and it's just a terrific... garlicy, oniony, cinnamon,
it's got all kinds of stuff in it. It's just
a... It's an all-purpose seasoning. You dump it on everything
and use it generously. Have you considered MSG? MSG is
sodium. Oh it is? Oh that's right of course it's
Muto. Multi Mutaglamonate Studium Glamban Academy. Yeah. What is it
again? What is MSG again? Monosodium glutamate. That's what it
is. Okay, give me the name of this product again
because I may have to try that. It sounds good.
Oh, you'll love this stuff. It's Badia, B-A-D-I-A. Badia? Uh...
C'est saison completa. And it just says complete seasoning. And
if you go to a Mexican mercado or a supermercado,
they will have the big giant containers of it. Ask
for it by name at your local mercado. Yeah, it's
great. I might try that. It sounds good. Hey, this
is just one of the many tips of the day
you can find at noagendafun.com, tipsoftheday.net. Just the Tip with
JC Deer Sometimes at all. Created by Dana Burnetti. Well,
there we go. Perfect timing because I need... to get
my fancy suit on for the big K-Love Awards tonight
at the Grand Ole Opry. You're going to be presenting?
You know, they have podcast awards and they've never asked
me, never even considered to have me present and this
is my third year I've been there. So no, I
will not be. I'll just be in the audience. You
just be a schmuck in the audience? Well, I'm with
the most... You get a go bag. There's no swag
bag, any of that. No. What? No. No, but we
will worship God. This is the good news. Lots of
Jesus. That's cheap. Okay. I think it airs on, I
don't know what it airs on, TBN next week or
something. So I could actually tell you the winners on
Thursday, but I might not. Oh, and then we can
bet on them in the betting market. Kelchie up. Show
mix is coming up by Molly Berry, Just Baker, and
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