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Adam Curry: Pierre expand the
salon we're coming. Adam curry
Jhansi Devorah April 6 2023 This
is your award winning chemo
nation media assassination
episode 1544. This is no agenda
affirming the affected and
broadcasting live from the heart
of the Texas hill country here
in Cedar region number six in
the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where I'm
wondering why anyone would want
my zip code to see if I qualify.
I'm Jhansi Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Do you qualify
though, that's the question. Do
you qualify? Do you qualify? I
don't know. What was the
qualification for
John C Dvorak: anything? They
weren't my zip code. You
haven't? You haven't gotten full
over the area. You'll see what
I'm talking about. Well, no,
Adam Curry: I have not however,
as of today, I am full on fiber.
John C Dvorak: Oh, you're on it
now?
Adam Curry: Yes. In fact, I was
even able to up the quality of
our connection on clean feed.
Really? Yes five gigabits per
second Yes, five gigabits per
second, up and down. I am so
jacked about this. It's I've
been waiting, I've all my life,
I've was the
John C Dvorak: same as you
little as your little wireless.
Adam Curry: Shut up. Well, of
course, it's not just the space.
It's the latency was so great.
Which is, you know, they have we
have like, like a five
millisecond ping or something.
It's incredibly fast. And that's
what enables me to up the quote,
you sound better. Believe me.
It's It's subtle, but you sound
better because I can put clean
feet instead of speech enhance
or optimize. I'm older. Okay,
there's that. But there's one
other thing I noticed. And I
always have to remind myself
when this happens I have from
the days when I went from a
what? 56? No, actually. Yeah,
think when it was we went from
44. What was it 56k modem,
right? Because we had was that
the highest you could have a 56k
modem.
John C Dvorak: I don't know if
he got a 56k on a modem. I
thought it was 19 Two or Oh, no,
Adam Curry: no. Well, I remember
I remember going to 56k Frame
Relay, which was remarkably
better than any dial up because
you know, of course, it was all
this error correction and stuff
that really guides that 56k
throughput. And from there, you
know, I went to ISDN, which
arguably gave you 128 kilobits.
And then if I remember at the
office, the big T one line, one
gigabit per second. Ooh, the
whole office was on it. Remember
those days? I don't think it was
that fast. The T one one T line.
John C Dvorak: One line was not
one gigabit per second.
Adam Curry: That was that's the
max that a T one. I'm not sure
if that T one is really the card
it's not even the line it's the
card can handle. one megabit per
second not gig megabit megabit
John gigabit megabit you say
gigabit noise I will I meant to
say if I did I apologize. one
megabit per second Yeah, the
whole office would be on that we
had point cast member point cast
and everyone's point cast would
update at the same time
John C Dvorak: Yeah. more
memorable was the guy was
offered a buyout for like 100
million bucks or something and
he now
Adam Curry: they didn't take it.
No, no of course the road is
littered with these people.
John C Dvorak: The whole
operation Live Journal I think
at the same thing
Adam Curry: so what what Oh,
yes, go ahead.
John C Dvorak: I was so I'm I
caught a PG or a Pacific
telephone guy ad open up one of
those big boxes on the street
and he's looking at it and it
was wiring something up I said I
asked him about a T one line I
said he says oh yeah the T one
line says he shows all these
wires that go from you know
point to point all over this
mess of of wires. And he says we
always always got a thicker wire
for the T one line. Oh really?
We always use this thick wire
for the T one lines funny. He's
the same guy told me about the
squirrels
Adam Curry: ah yes scroll the
scroll thing is real. Well,
yeah,
John C Dvorak: he did. The story
he told me which is another one
of my many stories. He says the
squirrels that one of the things
that were their pain in the ass
because they eat through the
wire. They liked the rubber
outer coating. So they went
through the process of of
developing an desoldered this
plastic coating that was just
laced with capsicum, the hot
chili pepper stuff. Oh, they
must love that piece. says he
says he says it worked for about
a month until they got a taste
for it.
Adam Curry: That's, that's like
the stuff we spray off for the
deers the deer don't don't eat
our trees and they know what I
do kind of like this peppery
stuff, it's good. Anyway,
whatever always remind myself is
that even with the most subtle
upgrades and of course, you
know, my, like the the network
card in or the Wi Fi card in the
billing that I have it's 300
megabits so I mean, I had to
plug it in to see five five
gigabits per second, but even at
a consistent 300 up and down
with that very short ping time
you get more done. It's it's
seconds per time you hit a
webpage sometimes. So you're
winning minutes an hour, you get
more done. I always forget about
that. It's like Oh, wow.
John C Dvorak: And I'm like
until you're jacked. I am jacked
up about it. I mean two
lightning bolt his whole
Adam Curry: I still have a
backup. I'm keeping I'm cutting
the cord spectrum is out of here
at the end of the end of this
month spectrums out. Over
expensive crap with stuff I
don't watch an OTA is in. I'm
cited.
John C Dvorak: The Yeah, well,
you'll find out about getting
your zip code. Oh, all right.
Adam Curry: So I have to start
off with something cuz some new
stuff has come to light. And I
think is pretty important for a
lot of what we'll be discussing
in the future. And it really
starts with a mia culpa on my
part, I was wrong about Dylan
Mulvaney, well, partially wrong.
But in general, I can be seen as
wrong about this Bud Light and
Dylan Mulvaney so called
promotion?
John C Dvorak: Well, your let me
back up. You were wrong by but
it was your reviewer wrong,
because you took it from a
theoretical basis, which I think
is something we do on the show a
lot, and I think is valid. And
the theoretical basis was the
following. Just to remind
everybody, okay, you had worked
for these people. And you knew
how they thought, and you could
not see in a million years how
they would go along with
something so stupid as this.
Well, even
Adam Curry: even worse. But
well, let me let me go. Let me
step back just a little bit
more, because I even tweeted
that this can that was being
shown on social media, with
Dylan Mulvaney 's face on it. I
said that that has to be AI,
because to take it one step
further than what we discussed
on the show. I mean, okay, in
1996, I have just started my own
company, I'd left MTV and I got
a call from Robert McCauley. Bob
McCauley from Anheuser Busch and
St. Louis. He says, Hello, I saw
what you did with the Grammy
Awards we had done. So we called
it the first cyber cast for the
Grammy Awards, which was
basically see you see me camera
one frame a second and Casio
sponsored it with their brand
new digital camera, which you
had to take the card out and put
into your laptop. And it was all
slow, but it was new. I said, I
saw what you do. I'd like to
talk to you about a website. So
I said, Hold on a second, let me
get sales department put on
different hats Hello, sales
department here. And Bob said,
I'd like you to come to St.
Louis, I want to talk about a
website for Anheuser Busch for
Budweiser. So we go, and, and so
they wanted to we wound up
building budweiser.com Bud
light.com. And we built they had
it was a great company because
they all this content from the
Clydesdales to, to the sports
that they that they sponsored,
they had a lot of content. We
also learned a lot about beer.
How you know, because they were
certainly still bottling still
at the at the plant in St.
Louis. In fact, we created the
Born on date that came out of
the website we built for them as
we learned that by looking at
the barcode on a bottle, or can
you could determine down to the
quarter hour when your beer came
off the line. And so we said oh,
why don't we make a little thing
on the website, we have the we
didn't have QR code scanners and
phones, of course at the time.
But if you fill in that number
underneath the barcode, then you
will get your beers born on date
and it became very successful.
But there were the legacy of
Anheuser Busch Aug. Bush, the
third nickname grinder and then
he was going to be succeeded by
Auguste Bush the fourth nickname
woody who I always had my doubts
about because when we met him he
was in his office looking at
Porsche catalog you know picking
out his car like okay, I don't
know what you're going to be
doing with the legacy of this
company. But grinder The third
was very clear because we want
it to have this born on date on
the cam we want we want to have
their domain name on the cam and
on the bottles. It was like
there's nothing ever going to
come on out no you have to put
nothing on our internet on our
beer bottles and cans so now not
gonna have that's an accurate
depiction of how he said that.
And after about a year and a
half, you know we finally got
them to use it in their some of
their commercials and their
marketing and some other come
When used I probably Coke or
Pepsi started putting it on
cans. So they eventually they
eventually said, Okay, we'll put
it on the camps. But it was it
was sacred. The Anheuser Busch
logo, the Budweiser, all of this
was sacred sacred sacred. So for
them to even make as a joke one
a one off can with anyone I
don't care if it's dealing
Mulvaney or elephant or
anything, spuds Mackenzie wasn't
on the can either the stupid dog
to not only be on the can, but
overlapping the name Bud Light
that was unconscionable to me.
Now,
John C Dvorak: how many years
ago was this 26
Adam Curry: years ago?
John C Dvorak: Times change?
Adam Curry: Well, clearly. Now,
here's the part that I was kind
of correct on. So this was
dubbed on on Twitter, certainly
social media as dilla Mulvaney
is the brand ambassador. Well,
no, the Absolutely not. Because,
you know, besides that, there
was no brand ambassador
announcement, there was nothing
on their website, nothing on
there. Nothing at all about this
on social media. If you look at
the hashtags, this is an
influencer campaign. In fact,
the contest that 1000s of
influencers, participated in
posting the same text about a
$15,000 prize with the hashtags
that hashtag Bud Light partner,
and dealer Mulvaney is nothing
more or less than an influencer
who participates in this
campaign. Now, again, for any
brand manager to send even as a
commemorative Hey,
congratulations on your 365 days
as being a girl, you know, for
them to send that is is already
just unbelievable. But okay,
times change. So it's dealing
Mulvaney is not a brand
ambassador, but the damage I
feel had already been done. You
see, when you say see Kid Rock,
machine gunning cases of Bud
Light, I'd say there's a little
bit of brand damage there. And I
think there may be more than
they realize, but I also
understand now with the latest
that came out yesterday. And
again, it's Nike hires Dylan
Mulvaney as brand ambassador.
No, no, again, it's an
influencer campaign. And I
understand now what's happening.
So many, I don't think Dylan
Mulvaney smart, but CAA
represents Dylan Mulvaney,
someone who's very, very smart,
and is saying you're
participating in all of these
influencer campaigns, which of
course they do get paid for.
Because they can't imagine if
they said, Oh, no, no, you can't
be one of our influencers. That
would be the real brand suicide
for any of these companies. And
some, I think, was a Gooper.
Kate, Kate Spade she's dead but
Kate Spade company, they
actually may have hired her as a
brand ambassador doesn't matter.
So this is going on. And it's,
it's really crazy. To me, I
mean, it to me, it feels like
this cannot be good for a brand
like Bud Light. It just doesn't.
And it's rude. In general,
certainly the Nike campaign
where it's, you know, sports
bras, are you kidding me? So,
what this brought me to is what
is really going on here and
it's, it's a lot deep. In fact,
this is this is just a
distraction. And two things came
this morning. And the first one
is I'm very happy I received
this I'm also sad about it, but
I'm happy received this email.
You know, no agenda has people
across the board they deliver
our boots up boots on the ground
reports. We've got people with
military law enforcement and
education. In Me, you name it
people in big brands, people in
the medical field, someone's in
everyone's an expert in one
thing, and they will always tell
us and we always share it on the
show. So we also have gay and
lesbian and yes, we have trans
people. And then we've always
read emails from the official
tranny have no agenda, Ally
Jade. And I received an email
this morning that that adage
well formerly known as Ali Jade,
want me wants me to share with
everybody and then it leads into
what's really happening here.
And this is Ali Jade announcing
the official transgender tranny
have no agenda retirement. By
I'm reading verbatim, I'm
sending this as my resignation
as official training of no
agenda after almost 11 years or
so it's time to move on. I am by
no way stopping listening to the
best podcast in the universe.
But I can no longer provide any
insight to the show for this
crazy transgender filled world.
A population that can't and
shouldn't be more than a small
speck of a percentage somehow
balloons to a larger speck of a
percentage as now and now is in
the new cycle to the point of ad
nauseam. I'd hoped As the time
passed, there would be a cure to
rid myself of mental issues that
had me seek care and then
transition. But alas, it is now
seen as normal and doesn't need
to be fixed. It needs to be
amped up. And then the drugs
come and changes apparently
should happen sooner and sooner.
I do not wish any ill will on
the poor souls going through
this when they get older, they
will have enough to worry about
and endure. You too are the only
one saying it and it's the hard
truth. I am a medical cash cow.
I have to get meds until death
and there's a high probability
that hormone treatments led to
my multiple sclerosis a study
out of Boston I believe. So
1000s of dollars in MRI
treatments and doctor's
appointments followed then
throwing the eventual medical
issues that will come with age
for being on hormone treatment
to my male anatomy. How about
not being able to control your
bladder much anymore and always
worrying about actions No, I am
not a woman. I play the part of
a woman in the world I respect
and do not go into areas where
changing is done I do my best to
adapt them blend in as not it's
not even appear as male or
transgender. I know I'm a
product of inheritance into the
distance from the perfection
lost in the Garden of Eden. I do
not blame God for this I ask for
his forgiveness and help dealing
with this every day as I know I
cannot go this alone. Keep
deconstructing this and keep
being honest, you are on the
right path. You and John have
never said anything that
shouldn't have been said and I
take no ill will from those
statements. This has kind of
turned into confession as I have
no one else to say this to I
have not strong enough to come
out as an advocate to warn
people of the dangers ahead. But
I hope that you too can be that
take it from older person
there's a lot they don't tell
these kids and will have to do
and I've had to deal with from
24 until death sadly they will
have to deal with from a very
early age until death and it's
not going to be easy road. Good
luck and Godspeed to those who
do. This kind of blew me away
jar.
John C Dvorak: She has MS.
Adam Curry: Yes. Ah, and bladder
control issues and all kinds of
stuff.
John C Dvorak: EMS is
Adam Curry: yeah, just horrible.
Horrible. So I come across,
there's a couple of things going
on. There's a podcast and listen
to the afflicted podcast. And
there's also a documentary now
just coming out. And there's
been someone sent me this video,
which I think may be part of the
documentary doesn't really
matter, Jennifer be like or
bilag be like, she's an
investigative reporter. And I
have a couple clips from a
longer YouTube video which the I
it's in the show notes everyone
should watch. And this really
shows that Dylan Mulvaney is
just the distraction in the
normalization of something much,
much, much bigger. And it is, in
fact transhumanism.
Unknown: It's technology. It's
the advancement of technology to
improve, you know, our lives,
but we never get a say in any of
that, you know, we don't get to
say we don't get to decide we
don't get all the information.
This is all elites deciding this
for us. Right. And it's, you
know, it rides the bullet train
of the market. You know,
everybody is profiteering off of
this now, even if they have no
idea what it's about, you know,
transgender modeling agencies,
gender fluid makeup
photographers taking picture of
transgender children, you know,
it's everywhere. And this same
message is being driven into
their grade schools. You know,
by second grade, they're
learning about gender identity,
taking hormones. And this is all
brought in under anti bullying
programs. These programs were
passed by Obama and funded by
the Pritzker Family, the one of
the largest one of the most
wealthy families in America.
There's many of them. Jennifer
Pritzker, was a, an Army Colonel
he purports to be a female, and
runs around with, you know,
synthetic sex characteristics of
a female. And he drives this
ideology into into the
psychiatric departments of major
universities into other medical
institutions, gender, hospitals,
the military, etc, etc. And his
company to Kewanee foundation is
partnered with squadron capital,
which is a medical device
company. So he's following the
same tragic story of Arcus
foundation. Right, Stryker
medical as a medical supply
Corporation, right? And they're
going to be profiting off of
these surgeries not just, you
know, so called Gender
surgeries, but human
augmentation. When we when we
open the door to these kind of
radical changes to our biology,
you know, the way that we're
planted in the in the Eco
sphere, you know, once we let
that go that together, anything
is up for grabs, you know, they
can manipulate your DNA they can
manipulate you any way you want.
And that's why these rights are
I mean, from what I can tell
these white these rights these
gender rights are being passed.
It's not about people that are
allowing their a medical attack
on their sex. It's for future
augmented human beings. I follow
the money and money trails do
not lie. They tell you the
truth.
Adam Curry: So I'm kind of
familiar. Remember the bullying
laws that we were tracking? What
was going on with that?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So there's
a lot of Yeah, I, it's hard to
make the connection with that.
But I think it was just a
coincidence. It just happened to
play into it. I think there's, I
think it's one step higher. Oh,
yeah. No, well then continue.
Okay, we
Adam Curry: go follow the money.
Unknown: And so I started
following the money. And I
looked at all these different
NGOs, these non governmental
organizations that were really
Adam Curry: huge, huge, like
architects, I forgive her for
doing this,
Unknown: because foundation and
Gill Foundation, they're
mammoth. They've each given
like, a half a billion dollars
to spread this ideology through,
through the cultures, you know,
not just our culture, but you
know, Western cultures, because
they've, they, they fund other
organizations that do the same
thing. And they create this
whole scaffolding, this
political scaffolding to drive
it so that you have media
people, you have people that are
being trained in politics, to
get them into political
institutions, like the victory
Institute, for instance, that's
funded very heavily by orcas
Foundation. And like, for
instance, Rachel Levine was part
of that organization. You know,
they call people from different
schools and different areas that
are going to work for them. And
then they train them to be in
these positions to drive policy
through the culture.
Adam Curry: High enough yet.
We're getting higher. And now
have just like the Hollywood
Foundation, the Norman Lear. Oh,
yeah, we've got media culture
and something that she coins
appropriately.
Unknown: And so then they have
media people as well, like lad,
is the media arm. So glad and
consolidation are closely
working together. And glad goes
about spreading information
about how people are supposed to
talk about this, because it's a
human right, and you don't want
to offend anybody. Right. So the
message comes from on high. And
what I mean by on high is not
Arcus foundation, I mean,
Stryker medical $17.1 billion
Corporation and growing by the
day, in 75 different countries,
the medical industrial complex
is bigger than the military
industrial complex,
Adam Curry: she this really
struck hit home for me, I'm
like, Yeah, that's what these
RNA messenger vaccines were
about. This is what all the
trans rights is, human rights is
all about all the stuff you're
not allowed to talk about. And
then going back to and you may
know these guys from, from the
older earlier days of Silicon
Valley and, and tech, the it
really is a agenda, which at its
heart is to well, transhumanism
to get rid of women, for sure,
at least their baby making
capacity capability. And you
know,
Unknown: you can see this this
tragic story in the, you know,
along late 1990s, early 2000s.
There was a big shift in the
culture from, you know, data
from the digital age and the
information age. And it's sort
of moved into artificial
intelligence, transhumanism,
robots, nanotechnology,
biotechnology, etc. So this is
kind of where we're going. Now,
this is like the future tragic
story of this. But you know,
Silicon Valley has been pushing
a transhumanist agenda for, you
know, since the early 2000s,
late 1990s. So then Bainbridge
meets up with
Adam Curry: Gino Bainbridge does
that name ring a bell? No,
Unknown: another interesting
character, Martine Roth flat
Adam Curry: about that guy,
Rothblatt, Martine Rothblatt,
maybe
Unknown: who is also a
transhumanist and Roth flat is
he's a transsexual, he's a man
that's appropriated stimuli
crumbs of women's biology for
himself, and he calls himself
you know, transgender or
transsexual. He's very well
renowned and very well, you
know, appreciated for his
accomplishments. So he's been in
the tech sector. He's been in
the, in the medical sector. He's
been in all over Hollywood. You
know, he's been on Oprah. And
he's been on a million different
shows, you know, with his robot
wife, which he created Rothblatt
wrote a book, and it's really
like, it's really a blueprint of
what's going on in the culture.
Now, this is his ideology,
working off of the work of
Bainbridge whereas we're going
to disintegrate the sexes the
boundary between the sexes.
there'll be no youth and age
there'll be no you know, male
and female. There'll be no
Transhumanism is like boundary
lessness you know, you're out
there in cyberspace, ultimately,
while you're getting there, it's
an upgrade and humanity melding
yourself with machines, you
know, transferring reproduction,
human reproduction to the tech
sector, in I think it was late
1980 He got together with a
whole bunch of other
transvestite lawyers and, and
transsexuals and they created a
document, which was the first
the very first gender bill,
which brings this embodiment
into the law, the sexual
objectification of female
biology, you know, into parts
and making a human right out of
that. Disembodied, well, where
he's going is full on dis
embodiment where everybody lives
in cyberspace, we live in a
virtual reality, we don't live
in our bodies anymore, we're
gonna be up uploaded into
cyberspace. Well, in order to
sell that to the public, you
know, transhumanism and just
embodiment as a life. You're
gonna have to groom them and get
them there. And the way to do
that is to create this ideology
that says that you can choose
your sex. That's disembodiment.
Adam Curry: I know it sounds far
fetched. But I saw this whole
thing. And there's a lot in
there that makes a lot of sense
as to why this is happening. And
why is it happening? Because
these people are insane.
John C Dvorak: Well, that's not
what I do. I see it. And I have
two clips. By coincidence.
Adam Curry: There's no
coincidence, man.
John C Dvorak: This was these
are about something else. But
this was on NTD on NTD business,
I believe. And they had Roger
Simon on. And he is a novelist
than a guy from Hollywood. This
is one of their guys that comes
on any kind of expresses.
perspective. And I think this is
this takes us above everything
you've just played, to what is
really probably about and play
this Roger Simon on communism.
Unknown: Roger Simon, welcome to
our show. Thanks so much for
coming on. Now, Concern is
growing among critics of Trump's
indictment that America could be
turning into a banana state. But
in recent epic Times article,
you say that the indictment is a
move towards something much
bigger than a banana state.
Could you elaborate on that?
Well, yeah, to call the United
States of banana state is a
little bit harder or Repubblica
bygone era in the original. It
is not because it's too big and
powerful for that. What is
incipient communist state have a
slightly different form than
we're used to, but in very weird
and ironic ways similar to the
People's Republic of China.
And you say that the US has been
evolving towards this end for
some time pointing to censorship
from the media and government as
examples. What have you seen
recently, one of
them is where I'm here in
Nashville. And as your viewers
know, we've had a real
disastrous, awful murder here,
in Nashville of six people in a
church, three of whom were nine
year old children. The murder
was perpetrated by a woman in
her late 20s, who decided she
was transgendered, and was a
male and showed up at the end
committed these murders in what
white may call terrorists drag.
I mean, she looks sort of like a
classical terrorist for the
Middle East with a machine gun.
I mean, that's what she looked
like. And, and this was reported
on as transgendered and, and of
course, the manifesto that she
wrote has been suppressed by the
government and the FBI. But
interestingly enough, the word
transgender or transgendered was
suppressed by CBS, a major
network of our country, for
reasons they don't want to make
clear, but I think are quite
obvious. And that is that the
dissolution of the family has
been a major intent of communism
since the early days of the most
incredible revolution.
Adam Curry: Go, you know what,
I'll give that to you. I'll give
that to you that the agenda
above the agenda agenda of the
medical industrial complex is
communism. I totally I totally
believe that.
John C Dvorak: It's the
dissolution of the family. And
if you remember, the Antifa Yep.
The protocol nuclear,
Adam Curry: nuclear family
cannot exist. It
John C Dvorak: had to be
dissolved. And you've already
pointed out that this this
transgender stuff has been
taking over from Black Lives
Matter. Now, trans lives matter.
Let's play part two of this.
Unknown: It goes in and out
because they realize is very
difficult to do. But if you just
if you dissolve the family, then
what does the individual have
left but the state So the state
becomes your family and then
you're under the control of the
state and you're de facto in a
communism,
what do you see as the way
forward for breaking out of
this, what you've called
brainwashing this
not easy, but in one way is the
old fashioned way which is learn
about it knowledge helps you
realize what's happening to you.
I mean, I congratulate and TD
for doing that APEC times as
others do it. But the other way
is to elect people who are awake
to that, you know, Donald Trump
for all his pluses and minuses
and, and excessive behavior.
Similarly, he is certainly very
aware of this, and is working
against it as as another
political candidate less known
Vivek Ramaswamy, very aware of
it. Others too are aware of it.
So you have a you have to elect
people who are aware of it, you
have to make known the feelings
and you have to talk to your
friends and relatives about it.
This is maybe the hardest part.
It's easy to vote the secret
ballot, but it's harder to talk
to people that you've known a
long time who can disappear on
you who can alienate you can
ruin your life.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is so
smart how they've done this by
abusing children. Because once
it's children, if you can't say
anything Oh, no, no, no, no, my
child was trans. You can't say
anything about that. You're
horrible. You're a horrible
person. If you say there is
sorry. I mean, yeah. Ah, man.
And then. Okay, so it does kind
of fit together though. Because
if you want to dissolve the
family, dissolve the nuclear
family, then you do turn back to
technology, and all kinds of
CRISPR gene splicing God knows I
don't know what what they're
talking about to do crit to be
in charge of that,
John C Dvorak: and also
sterilize people. Oh, man, let's
at a young age. That's a good
way to dissolve the family.
Listen
Adam Curry: to Kareem Abdul
Jabbar, John Pierre Van Damme,
Unknown: does the President have
a position on at what age these
kinds of therapies and surgeries
are appropriate? That's
something for a child and their
parents to decide. It's not
something that we believe,
should be decided by, by
legislators.
Adam Curry: We decide everything
else when you can go to war,
when you can drink when you can
do all kinds of stuff when you
can have sex. Most states, but
now no, no, no, no, no, this is
not to be deterred. And I think
that
John C Dvorak: if they decide
when you can have sex in all
states, not in most
Adam Curry: states, all states.
And I think what happens with
with people who, you know,
people who sin will often try to
relieve their guilt by getting
others to commit the same sin.
So when you've transitioned your
child, and you see that it's
maybe not going all that? Well,
then of course, you know, the
easiest way is all you or your
kid may be trans, you should
talk to my doctor about it. Now,
and I read the book,
John C Dvorak: well, they tend
to the parents of kids who, who
they've put through this by
accident or by peer route, or
pressure or whatever, all tend
to be activist. Yes.
Adam Curry: And then when I read
the book, that parents give each
other like, Oh, my kid may be
trans what to do. It's all about
that. It's all about the
political outfall of it fall
out, it's about, you know, what
your neighbors and your family,
it's how to handle that not how
to handle the child. And we know
families that have done this,
and it has not turned out well.
Ma'am, these people are so evil.
And anyway, when you have and
this is quite a statement from
from the formerly former
official trainee have no agenda
to say Hey, me, I was a cash
cow. I am a cash cow. And that
is, it's the funny thing about
it is when you get to communism,
there's a lot of people making
money.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, of
course. Putin is supposed to be
the richest man in the world.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So they say,
but it's the other way of
knowing his friends hold it for
him. He doesn't hold it himself.
Of course, that'd be crazy. Um,
so I do have an idea, though. I
don't know if it'll work. But,
you know, I think that I'm not
recommending anyone do this. But
when it comes to this, you know,
transgender agenda online and
these influencers, you know, I
think that you should just take
any company like take Chrysler
and then just, you know, just
post fake artificial generated
images of all your your
transsexual brand ambassadors
and see if any one of them has
the guts to say no, no, that's
not associated with us.
Someone's got to break this
spell. Someone's got to break
this spell. This is nuts.
Anyway, There you go. So we
don't have to talk about that
because everyone's obsessed with
it.
John C Dvorak: I was hoping you
weren't going to talk about I
thought Dylan. I think Dylan
Mulvaney is a phony. Yep. And
that's just don't see what the
attention part of it is. I mean,
she, she, he, whatever, is gigs,
likes to get attention does a
good job of it. The giveaway to
me was always the video that's
going around. It's on YouTube.
When Dylan as a boy was on. The
Price Is Right. What was it the
prices? Right?
Adam Curry: Yeah, prices, right.
Yeah, it was, like a nut job.
John C Dvorak: She runs around
like a nut job as a guy. Don't
even guys, fruity guy would
Adam Curry: even say she when it
comes to this person. Don't even
say that. That's insane.
John C Dvorak: And it was like,
ridiculous. It's the same
person. Exactly. It was
obviously some hotkeys. While
they were, I'll use that. I
don't like it. Oh, it let's do
that. There you go. So it was
wants to be in Hollywood. It
wants to be and is it as a as a
person trying to make money as a
screwball, I think
Adam Curry: did very well. And
Dilma is no reason for me to
promote it. No, of course not.
But also know that it is
represented by CA, the very same
people who picked up the high,
they did time's up. Remember,
they took the after Harvey
Weinstein. And they did time's
up. And they promoted all this.
And I'm sure they promoted Black
Lives Matter. These are evil
people. If people don't love
you, or your family or your
children or America, it a
horrible people. Horrible. So
yes, we don't have talked about
anymore. But we do have to
understand that that's the
agenda. And I'm with you on the
on the communism part. And I'm
with you on that. That could be
above all of it. Absolutely.
John C Dvorak: When people to
write this down, and this is
something I think people should
be aware of, because you were
talking about CAA. And it
they're highly prevalent in this
in these in this documentary
that's floating around, which
just came out about a week or
two ago. And it's called, and
it's done by the New York Times,
and they've done a tremendously
good job of it, even though it's
gotten some criticism from I
think it was the Hollywood
reporter who said it was a
little discombobulated, even
though it's incredibly
important. It's called Sin
Eater, to crimes of Anthony
Pelicano. Who's that? He is the
fixer in Hollywood, who had
tapped pretty much everybody's
phones, and ended up in jail for
17 years. For a bunch of he was
Iraq. It was racketeering that
was going on down there. It's a
tremendous documentary. It's on
Hulu and YouTube TV, they have
it but you want to watch it on
Hulu as you can. It's two parts.
And as was done by is produced
by FX and and New York Times is
behind it. And it documents the
kind of evils that were going on
in Hollywood in the 90s. And
2000s is just a tremendous
product. I was riveted to it the
other day. revenant what's it
called again? Sin eight are the
crimes of Anthony Pelicano sin
eater.
Adam Curry: And any other big
names that are fun to talk about
in that documentary
John C Dvorak: for the A's in
their Garry Shandling's in
there. Whoa. It's got pretty
much it's it's astonishing,
isn't it? It's just I would say
it was more disgusted watching
this and anything else? A lot of
the big law firms in LA
Adam Curry: know, huh, ovitz
John C Dvorak: Oh, hi. Hi. Up on
the thing. Of course. ovis I
think I think that what happened
to Pele kind of ruined over his
career that oh, this was a big
part of it. And he was I think
CSEA
Adam Curry: Yeah, and he died
young.
John C Dvorak: He did. I don't
know what this is dead. No,
yeah. overdyed
Adam Curry: maybe 10 years ago.
John C Dvorak: Michael Ovitz.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: absolutely. You
know, I'll bring it up for you.
But allow me to consult the book
of knowledge. Michael Ovitz died
in well, he's not dead. No. I
thought he was dead. Am I think
about someone else.
John C Dvorak: I don't know who
you're thinking about. From
Warren.
Adam Curry: I thought he was
dead. Maybe oh, maybe the
uploaded him.
John C Dvorak: Anyway, he
recommended this documentary to
listeners and no agenda. You
admire it?
Adam Curry: Yes. Why do you
think he was dead? Who was it
that isn't Then well you know
he's dead and and I'll just I'll
just mention this let me see if
I actually have it here and to
have a clip of this he Yeah,
this one here
Unknown: this morning more
questions around the stabbing
death of Bob Lee known as a
genius in the tech industry, the
founder of cash app and the
Chief Product Officer at
cryptocurrency startup mobile
coin. The 43 year old was
apparently attacked around
2:30am Tuesday while walking
down a street in San Francisco's
were in Caen Hill neighborhood,
an area described as residential
and typically quiet. A local
reporter says he viewed nearby
surveillance video of the
sidewalk not yet made public. He
seems to live to shut
up as he approaches a car that
is stopped on the corner with
its flashers on the car then
drives away he falls to the
ground. He gets up again and
then walks back on Main the way
you came but on the other side
of the street and falls down he
collapsed and died a short time
later Lee had moved his family
to Miami but was in the Bay Area
on business
actually live right where he got
killed. I used to walk there all
the time at night and I did
started slowly playing Russian
my safe
Elon Musk offer condolences
while commenting about crime
tweeting many people I know have
been severely assaulted. Violent
crime in San Francisco is
horrific. And even if attackers
are caught, they are often
released immediately. San
Francisco's homicide rate is of
averaging five murders per month
in the last year 58 at all
compared to three murders per
month in 2019. But that rate is
still far lower than other big
cities. As for Bob Lee, his
friends are remembering not just
his love for technology, but his
love for his family.
His dedication to his kids was
first and foremost. Bob was
Father of the Year.
Adam Curry: So what everyone's
talking about is how dangerous
San Francisco is. Scott Adams
also posted a story like Oh, bye
bye got mugged at knifepoint on
that same corner. I just want to
put out there you know something
that I have not heard anyone
even suggest as a possible idea
and hearing this clip it can be
even more possible. He started
mobile coin which has real legs.
The mobile coin was big. It's
integrated in signal. It's a
proof of work base
cryptocurrency. I'm not a fan,
but it definitely had rollout.
But how about murder? Anyone
think of that? I did. Well, good
because to me that sounds like
John C Dvorak: first thing I
thought of I thought he would I
thought it sounded like a hit.
He was out here from and a guy
who is in tech living in Miami.
You know that says to me, you
know that is abnormal? Yep. You
don't if you're in tech, you
don't live in Miami. Nope.
That's it. That's you know, you
know,
Adam Curry: I think it was a
possible hit,
John C Dvorak: I think was a
hit. That's what I thought when
I first heard about it. I never
heard of this guy by the way.
You know, I guess he's some, but
I was not in ever involved in
that part of tech.
Adam Curry: No. No, I mean,
either. I just know about mobile
coin, and that he started Cash
App, which is huge, of course.
And he was I was part of the
square and by coincidence, I'm
not implying anything other than
by coincidence. Elon Musk
finally does what I said he
would do is he's ruined Twitter.
And he has that stupid dose dog
popping up.
John C Dvorak: I gotta kick it a
dog. Like you dog by the way.
Adam Curry: It's a shitty dog.
No one likes that dog. It's not
a cute dog as an annoying dog.
It's true. According
John C Dvorak: to Jay there, she
knows what dog that is. She's
the dog expert. It says she used
to call the shitty dog she says
that is indeed a shitty dog. Oh
do tell the dog actually.
According to her and she knows
all these breeds because she was
a dog walker for years. She says
the dog nobody likes that kind
of dog. It's a she told me that
breed I forgot what it is she
she says it and she says it has
the personality of a cat is not
a loving dog. It's not a
friendly dog. It doesn't like
other dogs. It's a horrible dog
Adam Curry: I'm glad we have
that information. It's good to
know well there you go. That dog
is triggering to me. I literally
go on Twitter less because every
single time I go there I get a
full screen flash black with the
with that dog. Yeah, and I don't
know about you. But since April
1 When you supposedly we all had
to pay for Twitter blue, which I
never had wouldn't I don't have
a blue checkmark. You have it
didn't have to. He didn't take
it away. That was a lie. Still
there but I have sedang which by
the way it was there after I got
the threat. Yes, that's what I'm
saying. It's still there was
supposed to be gone April 1, but
I have significantly less
engaged judgement. On Twitter.
I'm getting much less people
sending me stuff or feeding back
or if I tweet something or
answer something, I get nothing.
So it's ruined it, you know, and
I'm not gonna pay seven. I'm not
gonna pay anything. But I think
I kind of predicted he would
ruin it. I don't know if you're
seeing that or you don't care,
right? You don't you don't use
it except to promote stuff. So
you don't see much else at all.
Anyway,
John C Dvorak: trim put a tweet
up once I retweet something
occasionally, but they will take
it down. Do you?
Adam Curry: Do you feel any less
engagement or you haven't
noticed?
John C Dvorak: Any engagement
dropped off? Five, six years
ago?
Adam Curry: Okay. All right.
Well, that's pre I did
John C Dvorak: a I did testing
and it was like, it was dropped
way off when it when I first
went, I had like 10,000
followers very early on. I would
get engagement, I would ask for
something and I get it right
after getting to 100,000. It's
like 1/10 of what it was at
10,000. Interesting. And I find
that was started a long time
ago.
Adam Curry: Well, in the
backdrop of this, there's a lot
of fear mongering going on. Oh
my goodness. Oh, the. We even
had Crowley, the Assistant
Secretary of State PR
department, talking about how
the cbdc is coming. The dollar
is gonna go away. It's all over.
And right on cue. Here's Marco
Rubio intelligence Senate
Intelligence Committee, big war
monger, big military industrial
complex guy today.
Unknown: Brazil, in our
hemisphere, largest country in
the Western Hemisphere south of
us cut a trade deal with China.
They're going to from now on do
trade in their own currencies
get right around the dollar
stop.
John C Dvorak: Wait, you mean
Brazil of BRICS? Yes. Brazil,
Russia, Russia, India, China,
and South Africa? Yes. So so. So
this bricks, which has been
around for what a decade, which
means they've been doing these
deals all along. This is new to
him?
Adam Curry: Well, this is the
anti China. This is the by the
way, he's not talking about
Ukraine,
Unknown: cut a trade deal with
China, they're going to from now
on do trade in their own
currencies get right around the
dollar. They're creating a
secondary economy in the world,
totally independent of the
United States, we won't have
about sanctions in five years,
because there'll be so many
countries transacting and
currencies other than the
dollar, that we won't have the
ability to sanction them, as we
are sitting here, you know,
focused on some of these
nuttiness that's going on people
that are basically dedicating
their lives in this country, to
ensuring that it is legal to
mutilate children to do drag
shares in schools. They dedicate
their lives to this, and we have
a another superpower that
basically wants to become the
world's dominant power at our
expense. And these people don't
want to focus on it. They're,
you know, we had some person on
the view yesterday say that our
criminal justice system is no
better than what China is doing
with its genocide of Uighur
Muslims. So we better wake up
but we're going a little slower
than the one we've been used to.
Adam Curry: Well, I better start
watching the view. They said
something smart. Finally, it was
crazy.
John C Dvorak: So all over the
road.
Adam Curry: I don't know that. I
mean, yes, of course, bricks.
We've been talking about bricks
for a decade, at least. But but
it is it does. It does
apparently seem to be true that
that sort of that we've lost
control of Saudi Arabia, and
right at the moment when
John C Dvorak: we thank you, Joe
Biden, who went out and condemn
the guy running in a place when
he ran for office?
Adam Curry: Well, exactly. And
then I fully expect I think, I
think that that we started
taking whatever's left in our
strategic petroleum reserve. And
and because of that, Saudi
Arabia and perhaps other OPEC
countries said, oh, you know
what, we're just gonna, we're
gonna stop producing as much
we're going to make sure that
the oil price goes higher. And
and now we don't even have much
of our strategic reserve left.
And then the funniest thing did
you see the Prime Minister of
Japan visiting with Zelinsky?
No, I didn't know much. Oh,
everyone, if so that he goes to
the season lands, he's got to
know the equivalent of a big
check. Oh, look, it goes.
John C Dvorak: He goes to
Ukraine. Yeah, he goes to
Adam Curry: the train he meets
with the Lansky gives him the
envelope. Yeah, it should have
had the big clearing publishers
house. Check. Look at all this
I'm giving to you. I love you.
I'm giving this to you. Because
while we were gonna buy oil from
Russia,
Unknown: Japan is distancing
itself from the United States
and the European Union and it's
buying Russian oil above the 60
US dollar per barrel. That's
December the European Union, the
United States agreed to set a
limit on the price of Russian
oil as $60 per barrel. is backed
still in force is part of the
retaliation against Moscow for
the Ukrainian conflict, also
agreed by the g7 countries
including Japan. Barely four
months after this agreement. The
Wall Street Journal reports that
Japan broke this agreement and
began to buy Russian oil above
the limit of $60 per barrel.
While this is happening at a
time when Russia is redirecting
its exports to Asia to
counteract the sanctions
imposed. This scenario coincides
with another delicate moment. So
several countries have the
Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries announced
last Sunday unexpected voluntary
cuts in their production and
withdraw crude oil from the
market.
Adam Curry: So our friends, our
buddies, Japan said, yeah, no,
it's okay Joe, but we're gonna
go buy Russian oil above the $60
proposed limit. What is going on
with these people are morons.
They're really stupid. Well, who
listen to by 70s Oh, no, no,
Biden, and Obama, whoever's
running all that show. They're
nuts.
John C Dvorak: They're doing a
poor job. Let's put it that way.
I got a thing here about bricks.
This is interesting. Bricks,
which is the acronym it was
originally brick and in South
Africa in 2010. This became this
started in 2001. And who coined
the term where did it come from?
Kind of stormy day Goldman
Sachs. I'm
Adam Curry: sorry, I thought was
stormy Daniels?
John C Dvorak: No, it was
Goldman same thing. Goldman
Sachs economist Jim O'Neill
Adam Curry: is there a clip I'm
supposed to play here?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I'm just
reading from them. You wiki
page. I was looking when When
did bricks show up as in 2001.
Adam Curry: Now it doesn't
surprise me. And by the way, we
had I think the EU was also
walking away from us. I'm gonna
see I don't know if I have a
clip. We had Ursula, Queen
Ursula and McCrone visiting in
China.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yes. I
didn't know I was not under the
impression that Ursula went
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. No, they
went together. They went
together. Sure. Yes. Okay. Yeah,
definitely. I think they
actually went together let me
see I don't have my I don't have
a clip of it. But I mean, I'm so
after the after those two
Russian guys hoax to Fifi
Lagarde. That's when I knew that
all these people are stupid.
They don't know anything.
They're just complete dumb. So
there you go. Do I have it here?
Oh, here's the OPEC maybe. See
with this
Unknown: oil prices have been
rising overnight after a
surprise decision by OPEC to cut
production that could mean
higher gas prices are on the
way. OPEC plus which includes
Saudi Arabia and Russia is
slashing production by more than
a million barrels per day until
the end of the year. Saudi
officials say the cut is to
stabilize the market. Gas prices
have already been rising at the
pump up 13 cents in the last
month. The White House is
pushing back on the OPEC cuts
saying we don't think cuts are
advisable at this moment given
market uncertainty. Oil prices
fell last month during the chaos
in the banking industry. But now
after the cuts by OPEC analysts
say we could see $100 A barrel
by next year.
Adam Curry: hears from
Bloomberg. I don't know if
that's what do you think? Well,
that happened? I mean, it could
happen. I guess they
John C Dvorak: always push this
idea 100 We've heard a lot it's
always been well, with Biden in
office anything's possible.
Adam Curry: French President
Emmanuel Macron and European
Commission president Ursula von
der Leyen are in China. This is
Bloomberg we need to track quote
we need to try to engage with
China strategically and speak
with him directly about this
Russian aggression and the
consequences for Europe McCrone
said in his speech at the French
Embassy a day before meeting
Chinese president Zhi Jing ping,
which may be today. So this is
this is the EU meaning with our
arch enemy. How does that work?
And what you don't have to
John C Dvorak: do how do we do
trading with our arch enemy to
the extent that we're still
taking a beating? Well, I don't
know what kind of arch enemy is
China when we get most of the
stuff that you buy at the store
from China tick
Adam Curry: tock, man tick tock,
tick tock. You know what's going
on is tick tock man. They're
spying on our children. The
funniest to head would head
funniest to headline somebody
asked who was the funniest two
headlines? I'm gonna say Do I
have a tick? Thomas, you do have
a tick tock clip because there's
so much to talk about. Sales of
tick tock owner bytedance up
over 30% in 2022 to reach $80
billion in revenue matching,
matching 10 cents revenue. And,
in fact the article it's site.
It says that double digit growth
revealed in a recent memo to
investors topped most global
internet leaders including meta
platforms and Amazon. Yeah. So
hello, this this.
John C Dvorak: The problem I
have with just do it this number
is since tick tock is
international and China is a
huge market. Yeah. They don't
break out to 80 billion. They
have to tell us how much of that
80 billion is American revenue.
That way we can see what is
really
Adam Curry: I'm with you, but it
does come back to back with this
article from CNBC. As Chief
Financial Officer of Google Ruth
Porat, the kicked off multi year
employee service cuts we are big
these are big multi year
efforts. She said our company
wide okay are on durable savings
which okay our mean? What's that
acronym? Mean?
John C Dvorak: I have no idea.
Adam Curry: They are cutting
muffins on Monday. There I'm not
kidding. This is in the car. He
John C Dvorak: does say that.
Really? You know, they cut him
they've cut muffins, but usually
on Monday.
Adam Curry: Well, Mondays they
would they were they were making
too many muffins on Monday. We
literally says in the article.
We've baked too many muffins on
Monday. Which and my favorite is
no more personal staplers.
John C Dvorak: Yes, the state
which actually Horowitz and I
talked about this on VHS like
and the stapler thing kept
cropping up and we're both what
do they use staplers for in a
paperless office? A? And how
many staples do they need most?
And why do you have to cut back
as they keep buying more and
more staplers? I mean, what is
somebody selling him on the
side? What was the deal with
these staplers?
Adam Curry: Well, what really
needs to happen is issues these
are mostly minor adjustments.
But she says now that most of us
are in office three days a week
we've noticed our supply demand
ratios are a bit out of sync we
bake too many muffins on Monday,
we sit CMBC I can't believe she
said this out loud. We've seen
Google buses run with just one
passenger and offered yoga
classes on a Friday afternoon
when folks are more likely to be
working home as a result we may
close cafes on Mondays and
Fridays and shut down some
facilities that are
underutilized How bad is it when
you have to do this? Well really
it comes down to this this year
one this is an email from her
this year one of our important
company OKRs shown with that is
it's delivered durable savings
through improved velocity and
efficiency all pas and functions
were Wait
John C Dvorak: What's velocity
Adam Curry: spending money to
fast the way
John C Dvorak: to improve you
when you start hearing the I've
got actually some clips with
guys like this yak and because
it's their AI clips. These guys
are talking through their hats
did just use the word velocity
what does it mean?
Adam Curry: Well, I think you're
onto something because the in
the same paragraph let me finish
it out through improve velocity
and efficiency all pas whatever
that is and functions are
working toward this velocity and
efficiency Googlers have at
that's an almost sounds like
something you take out of your
nose like a booger. Googlers
have asked for more detail. So
we're sharing more information
below. This work is particularly
vital because of our recent
growth. The challenging economic
environment tick tock and our
incredible investment
opportunities to drive
technology forward particularly
in AI. We improve machine
utilization narrowed our real
estate investment tightened our
belt on travel and entertainment
budgets, cafes, micro kitchens,
and mobile phone usage and
remove the hybrid vehicle
subsidy.
John C Dvorak: With mobile phone
usage, you're using your flat
fee per month
Adam Curry: now. That means
they're taking them away and
you'll have to keep your laptop
longer, you don't get a new
laptop as soon we've removed the
hybrid vehicle subsidy, burn
gas. Since then, we've continued
to rebalance based on data about
how programs and services are
being used. We focused on
distributing our compute
workloads even more efficiently.
Getting more of our servers and
getting more out of our servers
and data centers. We've already
made progress with these efforts
and will continue to drive
efficiencies. This work adds up
to edge adds up given
infrastructure is one of our
largest areas of investment. And
here it is, as we apply our
efficient and well tuned
infrastructure and software to
machine learning. We're
continuing to discover more
scalable and efficient ways to
train and serve models. They're
so all in on this AI bullcrap
it's bankrupting them, and they
do not have a revenue model for
it. No one's going to pay for
this junk. I think they're lost.
I think this they're in huge
trouble.
John C Dvorak: Well, I don't
know how much trouble they're in
there get revenues that are
unbelievable even if they
dropped by half.
Adam Curry: Well, it sounds to
me like they're, they say we've
been here before backscene play
key we've yes, we've been here
before. I'm quoting back in 2008
our expenses were growing faster
than our revenue. So that's
clearly what's happening right
now. Expenses are higher or
growing faster as code for
higher faster than our revenue.
Because they're all in on this
oh ay ay ay ay Google bar
doesn't work. Oh, how are we
gonna? We got to charge people
for it. No one's gonna pay
nobody All right, you got let's
do some let's do some AI clips.
And before we do that, the Adam
curry no agenda Turing test of
this bull crap. Do you remember
what it is?
John C Dvorak: No, yeah, you
did? Well, well, you know what a
Turing test is which is the
ability of a computer to emulate
a human to such an extreme that
no one can tell. Right? Right.
And you have made the, the
assertion that under all
circumstances where there is
written, draw drawed or spoken
that you can always spot it. Yo,
you are the Turing test. No.
Adam Curry: Incorrect. Turing
test was the first AI AGI by the
way listen, watch. Say it right.
AGI is the way all the cool kids
are saying it was AGI artificial
generated intelligence. All the
cool cars never
John C Dvorak: heard this. I
know you will. I'm not a cool
kid. So there's that.
Adam Curry: Hey, by the way,
man, happy birthday.
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank
you. And thanks. So the people I
got a lot of people that donated
the $71 necessary to appease the
constant complaining about our
donations. Yeah, that
Adam Curry: that worked out well
for you. It did. Yes. So no, my
Turing test for this AGI is can
you have any type of AGI machine
create an audio file that that
replicates President Trump? And
I said, No one can do it cannot
be done. Yeah. And we
John C Dvorak: got it. We got a
copy of one from one of our
producers and he won't say where
it came from.
Adam Curry: No, listen to this
genius one.
Unknown: I hear good things
about Adam curry. Nice guy. Good
guy created podcasts. Wonderful
thing. He's a funny guy. But his
co host, John C. Dvorak is
funnier. No,
Adam Curry: this is not even
close. You think this was good?
John C Dvorak: They got to
cadence down a little bit at the
beginning, very little bit, but
a little bit and the rest, but
it falls apart. At the end.
We're just going to sound like
the same guy. The beginning guy
doesn't suddenly forget the end.
Adam Curry: But it's also it's
not how he sounds. It's what
he's saying. Trump would never
say this.
John C Dvorak: Well, there's
always going to be the case.
Thank you. I don't know if
anybody can find this. But
somebody did send a copy to me,
which is Jamie Foxx.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I didn't even
want to play that. It was so
bad.
John C Dvorak: Well, I thought
it was interesting. I thought it
was good. Really? And I thought
what was interesting is he's the
only guy I've heard so far that
does both this the quiet Trump
and the yelling Trump. Okay,
well, I'd have as he does the
yelling Trump at the end. Even
though the the mic it down so
you can barely hear it. But that
yelling Trump I think is the
harder Trump to do. She was just
too long to play. It's pretty
long.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I hear that
people go look it up.
Adam Curry: I can just play a
little bit of a just so you can
hear and it works for like a
little bit. Just but it remember
you have to sustain this. And
has to be the type of jokes you
would make. It has to be the
cadence you would have. I mean,
nothing is like okay, yeah,
right. I mean, people can
impersonate I'm sure lots of
stuff sounded great.
Unknown: I know area he's a
great person. He couldn't vote
for me at the time. Now they can
vote to me once he gets out. I
love Snoop D O double check
brake pads. So do you love them?
I love Excuse me, excuse me.
Adam Curry: That's what
comedians will use the always an
actor's will use something they
can replicate with Excuse me,
excuse me. Almost anybody can do
it now but there's no AI This is
Jamie Foxx is not AI. I never
said it was a no I know. I'm
just saying that until someone
fools me with a Donald Trump
audio bite doesn't have to be
video even. It's not there.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, we're
waiting.
Adam Curry: Are you all in on
this? You believe this stuff is?
I mean, I thought we agreed that
this is bunk.
John C Dvorak: Expense never
said that. It was bunk guys.
We're talking about trying to
copy somebody's voice. I think
that I said that overtime. I
think it can be accomplished.
You might be right about the
content might never be what the
person would do, but that's
always going to be The case?
Well, that's the idea. The idea
is to duplicate somebody's voice
so perfectly, and the content
would be something that would
get started World war three. So
that content is still the issue.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. So that's
why I'm saying AI AGI is just
not going to happen. It's not
going to world AGI. Okay, you'll
hear it everywhere. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Well, you don't
hear it in this report. And this
is the this is the AI meta one.
We start with these clips. And
then there's a lot. There's
12356 clips here, but not all of
them are very long. Let's go
with this.
Unknown: Facebook parents
company Mehta released a new
artificial intelligence model
today. It's called the segment
anything Model or SAM. It can
pick out objects and outline
them in images and videos, can
also pick out items outside of
its training. Objects can be
selected by clicking on them or
writing a text prompt. In one
demonstration, writing the word
cat prompted the tool to draw
boxes around each of several
cats in a photo chief executives
Mark Zuckerberg that
incorporating generative AI is a
priority for the company this
year.
Adam Curry: Did he say
generative AI? Yeah, that's
John C Dvorak: what he said.
Interesting now. Now, okay, this
is the premise of these clips,
meta has determined that if you
could draw a box around a cat
and call it a cat, it could find
other cats in a picture. All
right. Now, I don't know that
this is that new. But they think
it's a big deal. So they're
bringing, they're gonna bring a
guy on to talk about this. And
this is one of those guys. And
I'll use the phrase again, who
talks through his hat, he you
know, has all the buzzwords and
he makes it sound like he knows
what he's talking about. He
doesn't know what's going on. He
doesn't have a clue. But he
can't really you know, indicate
that and actually say, I don't
know, it seems like bullshit to
me. Can't say that. So let's go
and we'll catch up with him in a
second is part two.
Unknown: Joining me now is Jake
may Mar VP of innovation, that
glimpse group. Now this new meta
AI model, it can identify
objects in an image. What is the
significance here?
Well, the biggest value is you
can search any image, any video,
any sort of spatial place. And
the reason why that's valuable
is just imagine, you know,
you're just like, looking at an
image. And of course, you can
see cats and you're like, Okay,
well, how is that valuable?
Because I do XR, I do. VR and AR
enterprise solutions. The reason
why this is so valuable to me
is, if I have a headset, and I'm
looking around, it will
automatically know what those
objects are. So it will know
that's a phone, it will know
that the computer will know
that's a chair, and because it
knows that there's all these
sort of rules that were
automatically be associated with
it. So if it's a doughnut, I
know I can eat it. If it's a
phone, it will actually have
data on it. And if it's my
phone, it will actually have my
data on it. So there's all these
ways that it's going to be
basically creating a very
frictionless experience, where
you're going to be interacting
with the virtual world in a very
intuitive way.
I see. I wonder if this is just
the beginning. I want to develop
into something even further
comment on that.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, please
comment? Oh, absolutely.
Unknown: I think this is just
the beginning. I think that this
is the early building blocks of
where this language model was
gonna go. Right now they're
talking about images. Now.
Really, I think that the real
use cases is spatial. And if you
can identify objects in space,
both both with AR so when
physical space and then also in
virtual space, you can assign
value to those objects.
Adam Curry: All right, may I
just explain what's going on
here?
John C Dvorak: Besides the total
bull crap, and I wanted to
before you explain, I want to
mention something for everyone
out there. When anyone says as
the way you pronounce it, when
anyone says because in this
exaggerated form, you know, that
is that is a tell for I'm full
of shit,
Adam Curry: correct? Correct. So
the Glympse group, which is a
publicly listed company, I know
exactly what they do. Because a
guy who I know pretty well I
would say is almost a friend
Joe, you toy. He has a company
that does this. He does it with
people in the Philippines. He
gives them an app and all day
long. All they do is look at
pictures. And the picture shows
you a car and they do car and
then they get a micro payment.
Or the question may be is there
a man in this picture and
they'll show an image of a ring
cam and there's you know, maybe
there's a dog, no dog and they
get a little micro payment and
they do that all day long. Most
of this work of course is done
in a India and these companies
train the large language model
all day long. That's what this
is. And it won't be perfected
until the all these Indians die.
They just have to keep doing it
forever this this is the
training that they're doing this
is this is the the incredible
smart work that this a G AI
which you said which I think is
very funny pronounced gay. I
think it's very interesting the
G AI that that they're training
and this is Oh, and they can
recognize models. Why don't you
just want just give give
everybody a Filipino? Connected
connected to your horse? You own
it or don't? Or donut? This is
dumb. This is a waste of money.
I hope it
John C Dvorak: when he talks
about that phone can be his
phone and then he knows it'll
have everything on the phone.
How would that you have to do
that by hand? i The phone
doesn't automatically because
it's identified as your phone
become your phone? No. So let's
go to
Adam Curry: clip three we're
Luddites. Man, we're nothing but
Luddites.
Unknown: But it's that's the
starting point. But then you can
also use like blockchain to
actually make those objects have
a specific value and have a
specific sort of security.
Adam Curry: Come on, come on.
Did you extend that? Come on.
Yeah, I want to hit the boiling
again too,
Unknown: and have a specific
sort of security associated with
them. So for instance, if I were
to pick up my phone, it would
automatically know this is my
phone this is specifically my
phone and I would be able to
access all the information on my
phone without having to have
passwords or any sort of
identification it just
automatically knows this is my
phone and I can immediately
access the information on
Adam Curry: oh I'm so happy this
is going to enrich my life it
will no this is my phone
John C Dvorak: and then you
won't need a password for it for
some unknown reason when I have
my real phone I haven't need a
password I use my finger I don't
need a password on my phony
phone lashing blockchain in what
are we talking about here is a
Adam Curry: publicly listed
company everybody publicly
listed company and its starting
point
Unknown: but then you can also
use like blockchain.
Adam Curry: Thank you. That
really worked for me.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Blockchain
with a boy always we're always
on where we could I think we're
on the four.
Unknown: Yeah. Now is there any
concern that comes with this? As
you know, with all new
technology, it always has some
worry associated with it.
Oh, absolutely. With with all
Adam Curry: Absolutely. Any new
technology by Oh yeah. We got to
be very worried about every new
technology. paperclip. That's
right. That's what we're taking
away. Googler staplers Oh,
absolutely.
Unknown: With with all new
technologies. Yeah, being able
to search an image or a video or
a special location. Yeah, that
that definitely. is the cause
for worry in some ways because
well now that's information that
we didn't have before. It's it's
kind of one of those things it's
like privacy you know, privacy
is definitely a concern as this
right now it can identify cats
but what if it's a specific cap?
Oh no. Okay, identify people but
I don't believe it can identify
specific people well when it can
then that's a privacy concern.
Adam Curry: But what happened to
the danger I
Unknown: see and can this be
combined with other AI models AI
programs like chat GPT or mid
journey for example, can all
these things work in tandem?
Absolutely.
Adam Curry: Okay, in the middle
of this sequence place I'm
crying please tell me you have
more.
John C Dvorak: Yes, I got two
more now. One of them wishes and
funny. It this is in the middle
of the commentary about can you
get jobs out here? Why
Adam Curry: would we do four? Oh
no, that was the for that. Well,
yeah. It
John C Dvorak: was for the
commentaries that you can get if
you can get an AI job out here
now today. Yeah. And I think JC
who has done work in this area
is probably going to end up
doing this. Maybe not. You can
get like 500 grand.
Adam Curry: I told you that
that's what they're they're
hiring. me this. Yeah, but I'm
not your son. By the way. I'm
your partner. No, but
John C Dvorak: JC is the one
who's been doing AI stuff and
he's the one who could get a job
in AI in Austin. No, here No,
I'm good. Or, or it turns out
anywhere. If you listen to this
next clip, which is AI jobs,
it's like this thing is so out
of control. The whole notion and
you brought it up earlier about
this. It's like it's like a fad
that's gone completely off the
rails. Listen to this, I spoke
Unknown: with HR professional
Ira wolf first take on available
jobs in the AI industry,
industry such as finance and
banking. A lot of the tech
people are moving over to those
roles outside of the tech
companies per se, but into
banking and insurance.
As you might expect the
information sector dominated.
The sector is using AI are quite
diverse. Other fields with top
percentages included
manufacturing, agriculture,
forestry, fishing and hunting
and pricing one's agriculture
fishing.
Adam Curry: Don't tell Joe Rogan
he won't be able to elk hunt
with his bow and arrow anymore.
Oh no.
Unknown: manufacturing,
agriculture, forestry, fishing
and hunting
and some surprising ones
agriculture, fishing, and
hunting. About 1.6% of jobs
education was one and a half
percent management.
Looking at location, California
posted the most AI related jobs
with over 140,000 followed by
Texas in New York.
So a lot of the people from
tech, although they may be
leaving the, you know, again,
the apples, Google's meadows of
the world, certainly have a lot
of other opportunities that are
out there.
opportunities that will
hopefully increase as AI
technology continues to develop.
Okay,
Adam Curry: I want to say
something I want you to pass it
on to buzzkill Jr, for me. A
friend of mine who I met through
the show, a good friend of mine
that means we've had dinner each
other's house and we've had
we've broken bread together so a
real friend,
John C Dvorak: right my rule of
friends being a friend Yeah,
real friend.
Adam Curry: He used to work at
Apple special projects. This is
the group that that actually the
Apple Watch came out of this
group and they were working and
they continue to work on the
Apple car it's real and he
doesn't believe the Apple car
will be he says in our lifetime
yes but probably not for another
eight to 10 years at least. He
says when when that when Tesla
started a job and Apple decided
there was a special projects
group was going to go and and do
cars he says we were giving
people a million dollar signing
bonus a million dollar a year
salary he said anything it took
to get the right people tell
buzzkill Jr to go man, go go go
and demand it say look, I really
need a hook I need a $5 million
signing bonus and 1,000,005 a
year and and unrestricted sock
they would give them
unrestricted stock. So
John C Dvorak: I'm going to clip
this and send it to him good
Adam Curry: because I mean that
I think we're at that type of
level again.
John C Dvorak: Ya know, when
these moments happen, they're
they're short lived because
people get a clue. You got to
hurry. Yeah, but yeah, you got
to get in and get in and get
out. Okay, now, this is the last
clip of this AI series. And this
is the final This is the old
brother clip in the
Unknown: future the world may be
filled with hostile AI systems.
This is according to a paper by
the Center for AI safety. Its
director Dan Hendricks says even
if some developers build
altruistic AIS, there will still
be those who build less
altruistic AIS, Hendricks says
the less altruistic ones will
out compete the altruistic ones.
Now, think about this in the
business world. A lot of
corporations that put profit
above everything else could use
AI wrongfully they could have AI
systems helped make profit in
ways that may or may not be
legal. Hendricks believes less
moral AI systems will perform
better and may therefore in the
future have filled the world.
Worse yet he believes they could
even make ce o level decisions
without any oversight. Dan
Hendricks has a PhD in AI from
UC Berkeley, he developed a key
part of the deep learning model,
and he's been researching AI for
the past seven years. So we
asked Hendricks why he thinks
this is he told us that the
current AI race is reckless.
The current AI arms race isn't
prioritizing safety. They're
largely prioritizing just making
the most powerful products as
possible and trying to position
themselves to automate as many
jobs as possible. Safety is a
secondary consideration. So
without the public raising their
voice about these sorts of
concerns, I find it I find it so
unlikely that they're going to
stop by their own devices.
Hendricks says companies are
locked into survival of the
fittest environment. The ones
Yeah, played safe when it comes
to AI will lose the race.
Adam Curry: Okay, so it's
actually a good clip because he
talks about the race he talks
about all the problems and this
this group center for AI safety
it's safe.ai know you found it
Oh yeah, I'm um I don't see any
names because why would you ever
put your name on this? But I do
see what are some of the
societal scale risks that see A
I S is worried about I will
quote, AI is application in
warfare can be extremely
harmful. with machine learning,
enhanced aerial combat, and AI
powered. This is a sales tool.
By the way, we
John C Dvorak: saw this by the
way and Robocop but the
Adam Curry: AI powered drug
discovery tools potentially
being used for developing
chemical weapons, do these
people are selling to the
military industrial complex,
this is not considered
dangerous, this is considered
considered a sales call. Cis is
also concerned about other risks
including increased inequality
all due to AI related power
imbalances, the spread of
misinformation and power seeking
behavior. Well, everybody wants
this. Ah, okay. So let me get
one of these jump folks. One of
these, one of these, these AI
fraidy cats, the one of the
people who wrote the open letter
from an open letter that Elon
Unknown: signed at open.
Adam Curry: Andrew Yang, this is
a lot easier, Shlomo Youdao ski
Realizer he like I think a laser
Shlomo Youdao ski, American
writer on decision theory and
ethics best known for
popularizing ideas related to
friendly artificial
intelligence. He is co founder
and research fellow at the
Machine Intelligence Research
Institute, a private research
nonprofit based in Berkeley,
California right up the road
from you. His work on the
prospect of a runaway
intelligence explosion.
Influence philosopher Nick
Bostrom 2014 book super
intelligence path dangers and
strategies we are dumb first of
all, we are dumb You and me are
stupid. I mean, we could be
making we could have been doing
this a year ago this would have
been the exit strategy of all
exit strategies
John C Dvorak: I to be honest
about I don't think so. And I'll
tell you why. Unless we were
getting that five that million
dollar bonus but for that kind
of thing those books don't sell
nobody cares about this crap you
don't need that book probably
sold three copies but and you
know, okay, put together some
some phony baloney foundation
Institute whatever it is you we
could do that too. Yes, but who
wants that? daggone
Adam Curry: Military Industrial
Complex wants consultants. This
by the way, love him has rom
bloom written all over it. So
now listen to the same, the same
Youdao ski character on what
many deemed to be one of the
most intelligent podcasts ever
created by MIT? Super smart
Professor dude, Lex Friedman.
You've seen this he looks like
one of the men in black. He
wears black black black you've
seen as usual? Yeah. Very smart
guy. Just talk so smart. And
he's interviewing this guy have
a clip. And, and this guy looks
like he has a hat. He's got a
gun, which which is you know,
just flopping over. He looks
like a who's your comic book
friend?
John C Dvorak: A comic book
friend.
Adam Curry: Yeah. If you would
collect comic books.
John C Dvorak: You're not
tempted to succeed the Simpsons
guy
Adam Curry: agnostic but no, no,
he does a podcast. He was
hanging Oh, Andy and not co
Leonardo there. He looks a bit
like Andy a knocko. Okay,
especially with the hat. Now
listen to him. This man, this
man is smart. Because he if he
plays his cards, right? He could
make $100 million consulting for
people.
Unknown: I had a conversation
with Sam Altman. We'll return to
this topic a few times.
Adam Curry: And just a reminder,
Sam Altman is the you know, is
that punk who runs open AI chat
GPG. Of course, we have jet GPT
for now, which at all? This is
the one this is the one that's
going to kill us
Unknown: keep turning the
question to me of how open
should open AI be about GPT.
Four was you open source the
code he asked me because I
provided as criticism saying
that. While I do appreciate
transparency, opening, I could
be more open. And he says we
struggle with this question.
What would you do?
change their name to closed AI?
And, like, sell GPT for to
business back end applications
that don't expose it to
consumers and venture
capitalists and create a ton of
hype and like pour a bunch of
new funding into the area. But I
don't feel like now I think
others will do it, eventually,
you shouldn't do it first. Like,
if you if you already have giant
nuclear stockpiles don't tell
more. If some other country
starts building a larger nuclear
stockpile, then sure build, then
you know, even then maybe just
have enough nukes, you know,
these things are not quite like
nuclear weapons, they spit out
gold until they get large enough
and then ignite the atmosphere
and kill everybody. And there
are some things to be said for
not destroying the world with
your own hands, even if you
can't stop somebody else from
doing it. But But open sourcing
and now that that's just sheer
catastrophe. The whole notion of
open sourcing, this was always
the wrong approach the wrong
ideal. There are there are
places in the world where open
source is a noble ideal. And
building stuff you don't
understand that is difficult to
control that where if you could
align it, it would take time,
you'd have to spend a bunch of
time doing it. That is that is
not a place for open source,
because then you just have like
powerful things that just like
go straight out the gate without
anybody having had the time to
have them not kill everyone.
Adam Curry: These people are
insane.
John C Dvorak: And boring.
Adam Curry: This is the same.
This is climate change. This is
the new climate change hype.
We're gonna have a mediation of
committees and of Paris
meetings, we have to have the
all the world leaders come
together we have to control ay
ay, because it's junk heads. A
Pierre Pierre, expand the Cylon,
we're coming. This is insane.
I'm sorry. I've seen this. I've
seen this movie before. I've
heard all the warnings. I mean,
this is please, John, you've
been around long enough tell
everybody this crap,
John C Dvorak: right. Like I
said, we got a letter from
somebody I mentioned this on a
Horowitz show, which is we got a
letter from someone in one of
our women producers. And she's
mentioned this and I assume she
says, Ah, I forgot all about
that. If you recall, the first
iteration of AI was in the 80s.
And they had the third
generation fourth generation
product project gonna happen in
Japan, they're gonna have some
machine, it's gonna run the
world and, and they were
throwing money after dime after
dollar into Stanford and
McCarthy was there and all the
real ai ai ai, and it was nuts.
And then it all collapsed,
because it wasn't producing
anything of value. And it was it
was just a joke. And it
collapsed to the point where in
the 90s, and I think this was in
probably the mid to late 90s.
And she pointed this out and I
said I remember this. If you
were a venture cat, if you were
a new startup or a venture first
company, you would need venture
funding. You could not even say
a i or you wouldn't get a
nickel.
Adam Curry: Well, it's coming
back. And then the canary one
John C Dvorak: two years later,
it comes back after the late
90s. When if you said AI you
wouldn't get a nickel. Now it's
like it Jyotish everybody's
forgotten all the people that
remember any of that. In fact, I
had forgotten it until I was
reminded in this note about that
little phenomenon that wishes if
you said AI you wouldn't get a
nickel. It's now everyone's
forgotten it and so let's try
this again people
Adam Curry: so the canary in the
coal mine is wet. And thank you,
Elon and you ruined my Twitter
because all of a sudden I get
tweet after tweet after tweet
from the guy who's all in on it.
Please, people do not poke do
not email me pictures of your AI
generated output of how smart it
was to answer your your prompt
engineering, puking. Who who
could be the canary that what
what Silicon Valley Tech?
Influencer, if you can call it
that, who would be the one to
show that we are at peak AI
hype?
John C Dvorak: Those under Marc
Andreessen, there's a million of
them. Robert Scoble. Oh, SCO
WASC Yeah. And so it is global
say,
Adam Curry: Oh, he posts his
article. Listen, this building
God, the rise of AI is the new
divine. Now, building God 1.0
That was religion. But then we
had God 2.0 That was the search
engines saved. That was Google.
That was God. 2.0 And God
building God 3.0 is artificial
intelligence. Yes. And with
this, we will be able to control
God to control God and to build
God in our image. I love this.
You can and it's interesting.
It's a big a big picture of the
end of stuff. When for some
reason Oh, there you go, that
makes nothing but sense. He says
human leaders have created their
own religions, often leading to
great human suffering picture
Joseph Stalin. So they're going
all in on this. And I think it's
is as a good, there's a good
chance it will bankrupt one or
two or put one two companies in
severe distress. Remember that
Google, they had to run all of a
sudden that, you know, they're
retooling for AI, when most of
the AI projects as far as I
know, it really run on Azure
from Microsoft. They're probably
laughing about it. And then
Google memory, Google came out
with barf. And the first thing
he said was an answer something
wrong, the stock price dropped
$80 billion, or some crazy
amount like that. Yeah. So
remember that. So these are,
this is just, it's just, it's
bullcrap. And we've seen this,
it literally, you've seen this
AI thing come around. So it'll
be fun. It'll be fun to see. And
it'll be fun to see who goes
bankrupt first, but this will
not end well. It's too
expensive, particularly the chat
GPT for stuff, whatever it is,
you know, people have to pay for
it. No one's gonna pay for that
their model their advertising,
which an in a soft ad market,
you're going to do this. This is
where you need to be, you know,
to be tightening inventory,
maybe you're doing something to
get your CPMs up, you're not
supposed to be retooling and
spending all your money on stuff
that you can't get advertising
on. Unless I'm crazy. I'm look,
I'm no business major.
John C Dvorak: Well, I've said
this before. They have copyright
issues with this
Adam Curry: with the I have a
note about that. The please,
please read this note. Yes, the
note? Well, it's from the
homeowner. Second, it is from
the copyright, copyright
registration guidance from the
this is in the Federal Register.
It's from the US Copyright
Office. And this Copyright
Office issued this statement to
pop to pop a policy to clarify
its practices for examining and
registering works that contain
material generated by the use of
artificial intelligence
technology. So it doesn't answer
all of what we're talking about.
But it says very clearly, by law
by by the air. Once its recent
developers to use of
sophisticated artificial
intelligent AI technology is
capable of producing expressive
material, these technologies
trained on vast quantities of
pre existing human authored
works and use in inferences from
training to generate new
generate new content. What they
say is only a human being can
get a copyright, no machine is
by law allowed to get a to take
out a copyright on anything.
That's not exactly exactly
answering our question. But they
are saying no, you cannot
register a copyright with
anything generated by a machine.
It has to be human.
John C Dvorak: Wow, Joe, that I
didn't know I was more going
along the lines of the of the
liability issues, which I think
and I'm not absolutely sure. But
it's either getty images or one
of these other big companies who
are Rusi with this coming down
the road because they're not
stupid, are already suing people
for stealing their images and
then incorporating them into
other images in a way that
violates copyright. This is the
legal issues here are profound,
Adam Curry: it's better time to
become a lawyer. In the offices
view, it is well established
that copyright could protect
only material that is the
product of human creativity.
Most fundamentally the term
author, which is used in both
the Constitution and the
Copyright Act excludes Non
Humans. The offices registration
policies and regulations reflect
statutory and judicial guidance
on this issue. And then they go
into burrow Giles, lithography
company versus ceremony, where a
defendant accused of making
unauthorized copies of a
photograph argued the expansion
of copyright protection to
photographs. And Congress had no
a photograph is made by a
camera. I mean, that's that's
how far they go with this. So
no, well, that photograph thing
has been reversed. Well, they
don't say so in their, in their,
in their brief photographs
John C Dvorak: are copyrighted
because they're taken by a
human. Just because the camera
was an intermediary doesn't mean
that if you write a novel than
us again, I don't think you
can't copyright it because a pen
was bald, or a typewriter or a
computer. I
Adam Curry: hear you I don't
think either of us are qualified
without reading all of this to
understand what
John C Dvorak: I'm talking about
qualified enough.
Adam Curry: I think we're both
qualified to know enough that
this AI is BS. But it'll be fun
to watch people freak out over
because we're all going to die.
And with that, I'd like to thank
you for your courage in the
morning to you the man who put
three C's in the bricks
currency, please say hello to my
friend on the other end. Ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Johnson
John C Dvorak: Well in the
morning to you, Mr. Adam curry
also in the morning all ships at
sea boots on the ground feet in
the air subs in the water and
all the games and nights out
there in the morning
Adam Curry: to the trolls and
the troll room. We've had pretty
good attendance recently. Let's
Unknown: see how many of you are
hanging out here
Adam Curry: for Thursday 1963.
So we're close to our 2000
number that's above our 1800. So
I think we're doing better every
single every single time.
John C Dvorak: I thought last
Thursday, we had 2000
Adam Curry: No, I think we had
way above that on Sunday. I
John C Dvorak: don't know if we
had two Nanos Sunday was 24 I'm
not sure I think last Thursday
was 2000. And it was because of
the talk about Trump or
something.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, we got to
talk about that too.
John C Dvorak: I forgot Trump.
Adam Curry: This well, not about
Trump about the media. That's
the funny thing. We got to
deconstruct some of the insanity
that was going on for sure. That
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brilliant AI I still cannot
train it to say to write down
John C period Dvorak, it comes
out as Jay H en si de vorak. So
it's hilarious how it's going to
kill us this AI. Along with that
you can always fight Bose. Well,
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Of course, you can also follow
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artists, the artists, actually
who brought us the artwork for
episode 1543 We titled that
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this was a funny piece brought
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the podcast in the can. What was
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about? We're talking about
something on the show. It was
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again. And it was a beautiful
piece. I mean, had a little Jack
with with a headphone jack and
little hole to receive the the
headphone jack and it's at
podcast. And I mean, it was well
done.
John C Dvorak: conservatively.
It was extremely professional.
Yes. Let's
Adam Curry: go take a look at an
origin Art Generator. See what
else we had that we talked
about. There wasn't
John C Dvorak: much else there.
That was going to work. A lot of
hand cut
Adam Curry: costs for 45. Yeah,
a lot of that
John C Dvorak: in that wasn't
going to happen. No,
Adam Curry: they weren't really
funny or great. I mean, Roger
Brown, he did an admirable job.
I mean it professional peace
with 45 and the handcuffs, but I
don't know it was like, that's
the one thing that never
happened either would never was
gonna happen.
John C Dvorak: No, that wasn't
gonna happen. They didn't take a
mug shot.
Adam Curry: No. And it also kind
of puts makes us too important.
You know, with all the stuff
that you just heard in the past
hour and a half. I'd say there's
other things going on in your
world. Besides this
John C Dvorak: media, Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,
Trump. That
Adam Curry: was good. I'm gonna
have to tag that. There was also
every single person that that
was out there at the courthouse.
They all had their phone out.
They were all they were all
doing YouTube and tic TOCs and
reels and streaming live. And it
was it was a media event.
Everybody. I mean, what is this?
This is so sad when you see that
happen. There was a fight on
Sixth Street in Austin, a pretty
big brawl, and all kinds of
people. Black, white, brown,
everyone fighting and pulling
each other's wigs and stuff is
not. And what is everyone else
doing there? It's sad that no,
we're the people who go and try
and stop these things. They're
gone. No people. Oh, I'm gonna
get some likes from this. Oh, I
gotta get my phone out. We're
doomed as a society. What else
was there? South woke.com. Or
you couldn't do better than
South what woke themselves? I
think that was kind of it. It
was just it stood out know that
we went Okay, that's it. I mean,
drag queen story hour, we're not
going to put that on our album
art. We're not going to put drag
queens out there. I don't think
it would have to be pretty
interesting and funny for us to
be hilarious. Yeah, so I don't
think that's gonna happen. Thank
you very much, Tom to Neil. We
highly appreciate the work that
you've done that all of the
artists do. It is incredibly
appreciated. No agenda art.
generator.com is where you can
where you can see all of these
pieces of where people are
already creating stuff. So I see
that dog, comic strip blogger,
that dog is AI generated and
that dog is never going to go on
our album art's not going to
happen. It's all part of our
value for value model. And value
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Works pretty simply been doing
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Spread it around do whatever you
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what's the life worth? You make?
You know you go to Joe Rogan's
club you know pay 20 bucks for
laugh before we had a drink?
Well worth it though.
John C Dvorak: Except the Shibu
II knew that he did with the
with the artificial intelligence
obvious is what he does. Yeah,
it there's a dog with no canine
teeth. Kind of artificial
intelligence is this
Adam Curry: well, AI has a lot
of problems with fingers. And
apparently dogs canines, maybe
they'll fix that I'm sure but if
someone sent me Oh look, there's
this new thing but But parents
can take their kids skydiving
and then you look at all the
kids that go wild with their
mouth open you know flying from
the pressure jumping out of a
plane with a with a sky jumper
and they have six seven fingers
Come on stop insulting.
Unknown: insulting me. The most
simple rule
Adam Curry: is like hey, I can't
do it for some reason these
rules not there. For some reason
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journey is the
John C Dvorak: him mid journey.
Anyway,
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John C Dvorak: 9635496354456 I
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I know because I asked him
Adam Curry: Oh, what is it?
That's exactly the amount he
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Archduke I'm sorry,
John C Dvorak: practical man.
This donation takes me from Duke
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Adam Curry: Yes. Let me tell you
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John C Dvorak: Yes. Now we
should mention the Bitcoin
payment. We don't have wallets.
The Bitcoin payment goes to
these guys that we they give us
the cash equivalency
immediately.
Adam Curry: Yes, keep mentioning
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And it's what we agreed on. And
I agree that that is a safe way
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, so there's
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Bitcoin.
Adam Curry: Correct, sir. FOD
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John 71st I'm still older than
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Happy Birthday, John. Thanks to
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John C Dvorak: Ashley Slater is
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nuts in the morning and this is
switcheroo Ashley Slater from
Elk River, Minnesota here. This
donation is from our wet meet up
last Friday. The 2023 secret spy
balloons symposium I hosted this
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Marina. We were happy to see 17
Comrades brave the springtime
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leather journal for the event
and those who donated to the
show are entered for the chance
to win it we raise 370 for the
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Jody. Sir Knight of the East
side's wife So Jody gets the
credit for this particular
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, it's not
true. It comes after that.
John C Dvorak: She was so happy
to receive it. I chose to donate
370 on behalf of the future.
Knight Kaladin pedis first name
is pronounced Kaladin.
Adam Curry: So who So who do we
give it to kaladan
John C Dvorak: was was the very
popular we baby who graced our
presence that night to all of us
came and said hello and
everything made it home safely.
Thank you. See you next time.
Oh, in a serious question from
Marina, do spooks really attend
some meetups? Are they there?
There's usually apps I think
probably every meetup just one.
So yes, you had one there. You'd
probably knew who it was. As far
as I can tell this says Jody.
The winner of the book was Jody
Adam Curry: vs. But I chose to
donate the 370 From today on
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and pedis. I as far as I'm
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it which is also highlighted in
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that. Yeah. So Jay agrees with
me. I would say that this is to
kaladan Okay, all right. Good.
And thank you very much Ashley.
For my beautiful because I
received my my beautiful leather
notebook with the 33 on it. The
one that you we talked about
when she donated
John C Dvorak: yes, they can
move a week ago.
Adam Curry: Yes. And I decided
to use it for my notes for every
single podcast I do. So you know
when I write down titles and
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John C Dvorak: last a couple of
months. It's pretty thick last a
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day.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, Sam Onan
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I assume that's my Happy
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Adam Curry: Good one, by the way
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John C Dvorak: Yes. Well, I
forgot what it was but yeah, I
got some it's beard and
Adam Curry: mustache wax but
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John C Dvorak: so ton of it.
Yeah, I forgot a bunch of beard
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Adam Curry: also Who's that?
That's Jay's boyfriend. All
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John C Dvorak: Johnny Oh, in
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discovered the podcast when Adam
was on Jerry in July 2021
enjoyed Adam on headbangers ball
back in the day. This is my
first donation at 333 Sorry it
took so long I know he disliked
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that is not the case anymore.
Now that Tik Tok is so popular.
Our research shows that 80% of
the under 25 age group goes to
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thanks for the great podcast
Adam Curry: and we got that For
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I want to play a couple of dumb
clips, media clips about the
Trump indictment. Do you have a
you don't have anything on that?
I think I have maybe one you got
an overcoat overview clip or
something or
John C Dvorak: No, I think I
said at least.
Adam Curry: Okay, let's see what
to do I have an overview. Yeah,
here we go. Oh, this is good.
Because it's Jeff, the gays.
Jeff, the gays always fun to
listen to. He could just be
reading the phone book and I'd
listen to Jeff engage
Unknown: with the former
president's arrival here in New
York. The city is on high alert
tonight. Trump Tower, the 58
storey building in the heart of
one of the world's most famous
avenues is all but surrounded by
security barricades swamped by
police and Secret Service.
Police still is there are no
specific or credible threats but
they are prepared for violence
are about 35,000 police officers
in uniform in the city right now
ready to deploy. If they're
problems,
they may be some rabble rousers.
Thinking about coming to our
city tomorrow a message?
John C Dvorak: Sorry, I can't
listen to this guy without
hearing our guy.
Adam Curry: The mayor, the
mayor, there's a there's a bit
at the end where is totally our
guy.
Unknown: There may be some
rabble rousers. Thinking about
coming to our city tomorrow, a
message is clear and simple.
Control yourselves.
Investigators from the FBI, NYPD
and Secret Service are combing
through social media for any
possible plot similar to the
January 6 attack. They are
seeing calls for violence
directed at government
officials, including Manhattan
district attorney Alvin Bragg
whose security was recently
increased
investigating any threats that
may be made to the DEA or any of
his his staff.
New York City Mayor Eric Adams
assembled.
Adam Curry: Even Bill Gates is
doing it now. New York City
Mayor he even said Mayor like
the mayor
Unknown: to the DA or any of his
his staff.
New York City Mayor Eric Adams
singled out Georgia Republican
Marjorie Taylor Greene who was
joining a pro Trump rally near
Manhattan criminal court
tomorrow.
People like Marjorie Taylor
Greene, who is known to spread
Ms. misinformation and hate
speech. Have she stayed as she's
coming to town while you're in
town be on your best behavior.
Now that's
Adam Curry: a pretty good
overview. And as we said, it was
mainly social media people and
and mainstream people. It was
just a dumb circus. Couple
things of note. I would say most
of the of the print articles had
very little on, on the
indictments, you'll hear a few
clips it wasn't really much in
there. But the term that Trump
was admonished by the judge to
remain from a rhetoric that
could K call could inflame or
cause civil arrest. Every single
out of Ed Trump was admonished
were from what I understand. The
judge said that to all parties.
But besides that, ABC, when I
think this there might be some
legality to this or illegality,
when they aired news reports of
Trump speaking at Mar a Lago, he
was behind you know, the Trump
are running for president
lectern, they blurred out his
text number that you can text
for donations or information or
whatever that is, is that not
John C Dvorak: illegal? Can you
do it? You blurt out whatever
you want. But if you do it for
Adam Curry: one candidate and
not for the other?
John C Dvorak: Well, that's a
good question. That may be a
player i But I think those laws
are there used to be a law
against doing something like
that doing? Yeah, Dad used to be
a fairness doctrine, which is,
was repealed in 87. So I think
they can do whatever they want.
But I watched that entire Mara
Lago speech, and it was it was
most of it was shot. Whoo. It
was a shared feed. And it was
you never got to see that. That
thing is that maybe for a split
second, they couldn't have
blurted out for long while they
blurred it out
Adam Curry: on social media. Or
online, whatever. So here's your
skin shed. Yeah, of course.
Here's, I have a couple of
clips. These are all basically
just with opinions, and we wind
up with an interesting one.
We'll start with ABC with
Jonathan Karl.
Unknown: We're also learning
more about the dynamic in that
courtroom after the political
rhetoric in the weeks before all
of this the former president
taking aim. Then the power shift
with the former president now a
criminal defendant before the
judge. Let's pray ABC chief
Washington correspondent
Jonathan Karl live here in New
York for our coverage in John,
our team in that room describing
a very different dynamic playing
out in court today.
David Donald Trump is accustomed
to being the center of attention
and in control in whatever room
he walks into. That was
decidedly not the case. Today
inside that courtroom as he
walked in, Trump looked as
profoundly unhappy as I have
ever seen him a deep scowl on
his face. He was in the
courtroom for 57 minutes,
surrounded by his lawyers,
police officers standing behind
him. He had to wait for about a
full five minutes before the
judge entered the room. And when
the judge walked in, Trump had
to do what everybody else had to
do in that room stand. It will
be the judge calling the shots.
Donald Trump, our reporter in
the room, Olivia Rubin noticed
that Trump spoke so softly that
at one point, the judge said I
can't hear you and asked him to
repeat what he was saying,
speaking softly. That's not
something we see Donald Trump
do, ever, if at all. And I
suspect, David that as we go on,
he will not be speaking softly
for long,
Adam Curry: riveting report. He
had to stand and spoke softly.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we have to
remember that that Carl is the
head of the Washington. Yeah,
the press corps, the press corps
that that goes to the White
House and tried to shut up that
poor African guy,
Adam Curry: but you know, and I,
I didn't see any of this.
Because I was in extras in
Austin, I was doing a show with
Marty bent from the CFTC
podcast. And so I was only
listening to stuff on the way
back. And I figured out pretty
quickly that the no one really
had anything that would show
that Trump is the walls are
closing in. He's going to jail,
none of that. And even on CNN,
John Bolton, who is now a CNN
correspondent. Here's what he
said big picture.
Unknown: What do you think of
the indictment?
Well, speaking as someone who
very strongly does not want
Donald Trump to get the
Republican presidential
nomination, I'm extraordinarily
distressed by this document. I
think this is even weaker than I
feared it would be. And I think
it's it's easily subject to
being dismissed or a quick
acquittal for Trump. Just
speaking going back to the days
when I represented Jim Buckley
and Jean McCarthy and the
constitutional challenge to the
underlying federal statute here
passed in 1974. I can say there
is no basis in the statutory
language to say that Trump's
behavior forms either a
contribution or an expenditure
under federal law, the two key
definitions at issue here. If it
did, it would mean that every
single expenditure a candidate
made could be taken to have
something to do with this
campaign. Do I buy a $1 comb to
comb my hair or $10? comb to
comb my hair? If you can
construe the statute to cover
this behavior, then I think it
violates the First Amendment
because you're deeply into
territory that that makes the
statute absolutely federal
statute, too vague for
enforcement. And as what I
understood the district attorney
to say that he thinks there's a
New York election law involved
here, all I can say is the
Federal Election Campaign Act
absolutely preempts any state or
local law to the contrary, how
could it be otherwise? You've
got one law governing corporate
finance and a presidential
election at the federal level,
you're going to have 50 state
laws interfering with it. So
he's just wrong on the
applicability of the New York
statute.
Adam Curry: Oh,
John C Dvorak: you know, a lot
of people I've watched
everything I saw, what's his
name, the DA could do his little
press conference, which was
short. And I watched Trump as he
went to the show the full plane
flying in the air and landing.
And the DA made a huge point in
his press conference to say that
this was about New York law had
nothing to do with federal law.
And he almost I think he may
have actually said that. And so
all these analysts who bring up
federal law about to analyze
this indictment, I don't know
what their what they've had any
did they listen to this guy? He
made a clear point. This has
nothing to do with any federal
law the way he sees it.
Adam Curry: Well, that's what
George Washington University law
professor Jonathan Turley said,
and he is he speaks for Fox
News, and I did my best to cut
out as much of Brett as I could.
Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Wait, wait,
before you play the fox news
clip. I will say another thing.
I mean, I did a lot of channel
swapping. And it the analysts
that were under different than I
have a clip from one of the
locals, but the analysts that
were on these different
channels, especially CBS versus
Fox couldn't be distance between
them as a million miles. It was
unbelievable to hear the The
analysts on CBS versus Fox, I
will say that from what I heard
from all these different
analysts, Fox was the only one
that was somewhat objective.
Adam Curry: When we play the
local analysis, is that what I'm
playing here?
John C Dvorak: No, no, you're
gonna play the you're gonna play
your clips. My local analysis is
I got three parter, and you can
finish. Okay. All right. Let
Unknown: me tell you, I've never
seen an indictment quite like
this one. That is the key
linchpin. That's how you get
beyond the statute of
limitations. I know a lot of
judges that would have been not
too pleased to receive an
indictment like this would have
said, you know, what the heck is
this mean? What are you
alleging, and brag, just sort of
waved it off and said, I don't
have to really say, but my
question is, how does the grand
jury understand what it was
doing? We'll see a little better
with the bill of particulars.
But it really raises concerns as
to how well the grand jury
understood these key linchpins
because this thing is a feeling
of like illegal Slurpee, it it's
instantly satisfying, but has no
nutritional value. There's
nothing there. The thing is,
this is basically what we
expected. You had people like
Lanny Davis, who represents it,
Michael Cohen saying, I'm
warning you there's going to be
a lot of new crimes here. And
it's going to there's gonna be a
lot of new facts. Well, it
wasn't. I mean, this was the
business falsification theory
that we've talked about. The
only surprising thing is that
brands seem to have solved the
question of his authority
through ambiguity. He just
removed any direct references to
what this underlying offense
was. And my guess is it's going
to be a federal election claim.
I mean, this the the state, the
reference of the state election
law was so general ambiguous, I
don't think that that could be
the it sustain this type of
actions. It's like a scene in
Braveheart when he says, like,
we didn't get dressed up for
nothing. I mean, it's, he's
hoping that this judge is going
to be very timid, and not throw
this out. But there are
substantial threshold legal
questions here. And this case
could collapse before it gets to
a trial. And this is not the
only judge that will have to
look at this. And I think that
has to weigh heavily on him.
Because there's no there there
now, whether he could fill in
those gaps we'll have to see.
But you would think if you were
going to indict a president, you
would, you would rise to that
moment of history and tell
people with precision what it is
that you want to convict him on.
Adam Curry: So I think both
Charlie and Carl and the
fortunate for what's his name?
Bolton, I think they're all
three of them are wrong. And the
best analysis did not come from
mainstream it came from Alan
Dershowitz, constitutional
lawyer, who we have liked when
he was a nutjob democrat and a
nutjob non Democrat. Sorry,
John C Dvorak: as I predicted
two newsletters ago Dersch would
show up.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he shows
it. Well, he had to show up on
Charlie Kirk's podcast, because
he can't can't buy himself a
spot on mainstream because, you
know, he's like, he's a
Democrat. So he can't be on Fox.
And then he defended Trump, so
he can't be on the on the on any
of the left wing media. But I
think he has the proper
analysis.
Unknown: I don't think I could
get this case dismissed so
easily. I don't think that I
don't think that if you had the
best lawyers in the history of
the world, Abraham Lincoln and
John Marshall, a New York City
judge would dismiss this case,
because that New York City
judges life would be over.
Everybody would point to him the
way they pointed to me when I
defended Trump, Oh, my. There's
the man who helped Trump get
free. So I don't think it's
going to be easy. I think he
probably will be convicted by
your jury who voted for Bragg
and voted for get Trump, it will
be reversed on appeal. It will
never be affirmed all the way up
to the Supreme Court, but brags
gonna be popular, he'll be
reelected. And and he'll
probably win his case. Unless
unless there is a change of
venue.
Adam Curry: I think that's the
proper analysis. I agree. 100%
No, you said 100% Now you're
doing it 100% 100% About your
local analysis. We do that now.
John C Dvorak: Now I have this I
got three clips are they're kind
of interesting. I think they
kind of work together. Okay.
First of all, this is a local
analysis that took place the day
before the indictment. And so
this is the kind of thing and I
got the guy's name. He's a
professor the classic local
professor does, you know as a
Democrat is a California
professor so he's, you know,
liberal progressive, wants to
dissolve the family and turn us
all into communists. Oh, we know
the kind Yes, we this guy. So
this is a classic to me. What we
were hearing in the Bay Area and
just before he was indicted,
before we didn't, we found out
that he didn't have a mug shot.
He didn't get can come none of
that. So let's go this and I did
cut it. So you give the
introduction induction is the
guy that we cut right to one of
his comments.
Unknown: Robert ovitz to the
nine. He's a political science
professor at San Jose State.
You know, our the history of our
country has been for over 200
years presidents have evaded
responsibility and
accountability. But here, I
think it's starting to creep up
and catch up with President
Trump. We know that the attorney
general is actively
investigating all the mountains
of evidence that was accumulated
in the January 6 investigation
last year. And let's hope that
it looks bold to some
accountability for President
Trump. And if that's the case,
he's going to be doing more than
doing the perp walk that he's
going to do this after
Adam Curry: that. So we didn't
even do the perp walk. And
notice this guy doesn't say he's
done. He just has mountains and
whoa, Earth.
John C Dvorak: classic, classic
local yokels. Now I did
beforehand. My last clip, I want
to play this intermediate clip,
which is actually something we
don't normally do on the show,
but this is Tucker Carlson
reading a tweet. Since I thought
it would be more entertaining.
Let's have him read it. And I
think that this is apt
Salvadorian prick prexy tweet.
Unknown: Here is Salvadoran
president now you boo Kelly on
Twitter today, quote. Think what
you want about former President
Trump and the reasons he's being
indicted. But Kelly wrote, but
just imagine if this happened in
any other country where a
government arrested the main
opposition candidate. The United
States is ability to use quote,
democracy as foreign policy is
gone.
Adam Curry: Well, Kelly is a big
hero man. He's a big hero
amongst the Bitcoiners that's
for sure.
John C Dvorak: And last, just as
like nobody covered this that
much. And I just thought this is
the funny kind of ancillary
commentary about the stormy
Daniels clip.
Unknown: Meanwhile, stormy
Daniels lost her defamation suit
against Trump. Daniels was
ordered to pay Trump's attorneys
more than $120,000 in legal
fees. That's on top of more than
$500,000 in court ordered
payments to Trump's attorneys
she's already been required to
pay. A judge dismissed her
defamation lawsuit in 2018. She
later lost and appeal and was
ordered to pay Trump's legal
fees for fighting both the civil
litigation is on is officially
unrelated to Trump's case in New
York. Some denies ever having an
affair with her.
Adam Curry: Man. I want him to
hear more stormy Koch clips. I'm
bummed I missed
John C Dvorak: you guys. I think
you have the only one.
Adam Curry: There was one, which
is a short clip. But, you know,
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced
he filed his paperwork he
announced his presidency is run
for president as a Democrat.
Yep. Now, just to put this into
perspective, he is a lawyer
who's taken the second a lot of
corporations to court, certainly
Big Pharma. He is by definition,
not an anti Vaxxer. He was
actually an environmental
lawyer. And he fought against
mercury in water. That's what he
did for years and years and
years. And he kept seeing but
this is all his own admission.
It kept seeing moms showing up
at at his speeches and they
said, Hey, there's mercury in
some of these adjuvants in
vaccines, and we think they've
caused harm to our children. And
so then he became an advocate
for getting mercury out of
vaccines, of course, with his
deconstruction, his of COVID,
his deconstruction of the
vaccine industry industry, how
it works, his book on Anthony
Fauci going back to the Fauci
days of killing gay guys with
HIV. I'm just going to say
that's what the book says. So of
course, you have to completely
discredit Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and let's
hear how the tone is set by Jake
Tapper at CNN,
Unknown: this just into CNN,
anti vaccine quack, Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. has filed paperwork
with the Federal Election
Commission to run for president
as a Democrat in launching his
presidential bid Kennedy is the
latest in a long line of family
members to enter politics. So
far, only Marianne Williamson
who likes once launched her
second launch campaign has
entered the Democratic primary
against Biden Kennedy is such a
healthcare menace in 2019. Even
his cousins wrote an op ed
criticizing his anti science
views on life saving vaccines.
Adam Curry: You don't need to
know any more than that's what
he's gonna get. And when you
call Robert F. Kennedy Jr. A
quack over Marianne Williams,
man, they're out to get you. Oh,
they're
John C Dvorak: gonna get him.
They're out to get him for sure.
I don't know why they're so
afraid of him. I don't think he
has much of a chance. But is
there going to play the Trump
game and go after him and make a
good call? Besides a lot of
stuff, he may get some
attention. Oh, you may be
screwing up. As usual as
Adam Curry: usual, as usual.
Hey, I see you have it in your
list. tock tick tock. Always,
always interested in what you
have for your tick tock crime
your tick tock collection.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is my
tick tock clip of the week. This
is a round headed kid. It looks
like a very disturbed
individual. Could be an actor,
but I don't think so. He is
upset. terribly upset at Apple,
specifically for having
Adam Curry: box all this you
sent me You texted me this,
John C Dvorak: I think for
having the meat emojis a vegan.
And he and he's very upset with
Apple for having a meat emoji on
its set of emojis. Here we go.
Unknown: Yes. And those emojis
honestly should be illegal. I've
been emailing Apple every single
day to remove the meat emojis
from the iPhones and they're not
doing it. I don't know why
they're not doing it. I've been
emailing them every single day
to stop putting the meat emojis
in the phones, like it should be
illegal. It's offensive to me.
And it's triggering to people
like me who are vegan, it is so
triggering. And I don't know why
they don't take them off the
iPhone because there's so
triggering. There's a trigger
tock, tick tock.
Adam Curry: And people wonder
why all the ad money is going to
tick tock, come on.
Entertainment. I have a tick
tock related clip from Matt to
Eb typically, we haven't done
much about the the Twitter files
because it's been a lot of
tweets. It's been, you know, sub
stacks, which don't really lend
themselves very well. I mean, we
were a clip where a clip driven
show. And I picked up this
minute and a half of him
explaining, which I think is
good, how the ticker, the so
called tic tac bill, the
Restrict act, what it is
actually doing. And in, as it
pertains to the information he
has gleaned from the Twitter
files, and of course, there's
new information, new shit has
come to light,
Unknown: where, you know, we
found a whole bunch of
communications just recently
about in preparation for a
hubbub, they were all having at
the Aspen Institute in 2021,
where they were discussing ideas
like the Restrict Act, which is
being proposed for you know, in
response to Tiktok, there's, I
guess, the European Digital
Services Act, or whatever they
call it. That's that they're
thinking about for the EU, all
the ideas, and both of these
bills are sort of wish lists
that have been passed around in
this community for a long time,
the government's want absolute,
full and complete access to all
data that these platforms
provide. And then they want a
couple of other things that are
really important. They want it
they want to have the authority
to come in and moderate, or at
least be part of the process of
moderation. And they also want
to for people who are called
like trusted flaggers. That's