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            Adam Curry: Pierre expand the
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            Jhansi Devorah April 6 2023 This
is your award winning chemo
          
                  
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            nation media assassination
episode 1544. This is no agenda
          
                  
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            affirming the affected and
broadcasting live from the heart
          
                  
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            of the Texas hill country here
in Cedar region number six in
          
                  
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            the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where I'm
          
                  
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            wondering why anyone would want
my zip code to see if I qualify.
          
                  
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            I'm Jhansi Dvorak.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Do you qualify
though, that's the question. Do
          
                  
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            you qualify? Do you qualify? I
don't know. What was the
          
                  
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            qualification for
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: anything? They
weren't my zip code. You
          
                  
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            haven't? You haven't gotten full
over the area. You'll see what
          
                  
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            I'm talking about. Well, no,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I have not however,
as of today, I am full on fiber.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Oh, you're on it
now?
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Yes. In fact, I was
even able to up the quality of
          
                  
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            our connection on clean feed.
Really? Yes five gigabits per
          
                  
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            second Yes, five gigabits per
second, up and down. I am so
          
                  
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            jacked about this. It's I've
been waiting, I've all my life,
          
                  
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            I've was the
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: same as you
little as your little wireless.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Shut up. Well, of
course, it's not just the space.
          
                  
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            It's the latency was so great.
Which is, you know, they have we
          
                  
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            have like, like a five
millisecond ping or something.
          
                  
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            It's incredibly fast. And that's
what enables me to up the quote,
          
                  
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            you sound better. Believe me.
It's It's subtle, but you sound
          
                  
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            better because I can put clean
feet instead of speech enhance
          
                  
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            or optimize. I'm older. Okay,
there's that. But there's one
          
                  
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            other thing I noticed. And I
always have to remind myself
          
                  
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            when this happens I have from
the days when I went from a
          
                  
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            what? 56? No, actually. Yeah,
think when it was we went from
          
                  
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            44. What was it 56k modem,
right? Because we had was that
          
                  
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            the highest you could have a 56k
modem.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I don't know if
he got a 56k on a modem. I
          
                  
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            thought it was 19 Two or Oh, no,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: no. Well, I remember
I remember going to 56k Frame
          
                  
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            Relay, which was remarkably
better than any dial up because
          
                  
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            you know, of course, it was all
this error correction and stuff
          
                  
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            that really guides that 56k
throughput. And from there, you
          
                  
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            know, I went to ISDN, which
arguably gave you 128 kilobits.
          
                  
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            And then if I remember at the
office, the big T one line, one
          
                  
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            gigabit per second. Ooh, the
whole office was on it. Remember
          
                  
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            those days? I don't think it was
that fast. The T one one T line.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: One line was not
one gigabit per second.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: That was that's the
max that a T one. I'm not sure
          
                  
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            if that T one is really the card
it's not even the line it's the
          
                  
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            card can handle. one megabit per
second not gig megabit megabit
          
                  
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            John gigabit megabit you say
gigabit noise I will I meant to
          
                  
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            say if I did I apologize. one
megabit per second Yeah, the
          
                  
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            whole office would be on that we
had point cast member point cast
          
                  
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            and everyone's point cast would
update at the same time
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Yeah. more
memorable was the guy was
          
                  
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            offered a buyout for like 100
million bucks or something and
          
                  
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            he now
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: they didn't take it.
No, no of course the road is
          
                  
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            littered with these people.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: The whole
operation Live Journal I think
          
                  
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            at the same thing
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: so what what Oh,
yes, go ahead.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I was so I'm I
caught a PG or a Pacific
          
                  
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            telephone guy ad open up one of
those big boxes on the street
          
                  
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            and he's looking at it and it
was wiring something up I said I
          
                  
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            asked him about a T one line I
said he says oh yeah the T one
          
                  
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            line says he shows all these
wires that go from you know
          
                  
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            point to point all over this
mess of of wires. And he says we
          
                  
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            always always got a thicker wire
for the T one line. Oh really?
          
                  
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            We always use this thick wire
for the T one lines funny. He's
          
                  
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            the same guy told me about the
squirrels
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: ah yes scroll the
scroll thing is real. Well,
          
                  
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            yeah,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: he did. The story
he told me which is another one
          
                  
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            of my many stories. He says the
squirrels that one of the things
          
                  
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            that were their pain in the ass
because they eat through the
          
                  
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            wire. They liked the rubber
outer coating. So they went
          
                  
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            through the process of of
developing an desoldered this
          
                  
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            plastic coating that was just
laced with capsicum, the hot
          
                  
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            chili pepper stuff. Oh, they
must love that piece. says he
          
                  
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            says he says it worked for about
a month until they got a taste
          
                  
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            for it.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: That's, that's like
the stuff we spray off for the
          
                  
            5:06
          
          
            deers the deer don't don't eat
our trees and they know what I
          
                  
            5:10
          
          
            do kind of like this peppery
stuff, it's good. Anyway,
          
                  
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            whatever always remind myself is
that even with the most subtle
          
                  
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            upgrades and of course, you
know, my, like the the network
          
                  
            5:22
          
          
            card in or the Wi Fi card in the
billing that I have it's 300
          
                  
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            megabits so I mean, I had to
plug it in to see five five
          
                  
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            gigabits per second, but even at
a consistent 300 up and down
          
                  
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            with that very short ping time
you get more done. It's it's
          
                  
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            seconds per time you hit a
webpage sometimes. So you're
          
                  
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            winning minutes an hour, you get
more done. I always forget about
          
                  
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            that. It's like Oh, wow.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: And I'm like
until you're jacked. I am jacked
          
                  
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            up about it. I mean two
lightning bolt his whole
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I still have a
backup. I'm keeping I'm cutting
          
                  
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            the cord spectrum is out of here
at the end of the end of this
          
                  
            6:06
          
          
            month spectrums out. Over
expensive crap with stuff I
          
                  
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            don't watch an OTA is in. I'm
cited.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: The Yeah, well,
you'll find out about getting
          
                  
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            your zip code. Oh, all right.
          
                  
            6:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: So I have to start
off with something cuz some new
          
                  
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            stuff has come to light. And I
think is pretty important for a
          
                  
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            lot of what we'll be discussing
in the future. And it really
          
                  
            6:32
          
          
            starts with a mia culpa on my
part, I was wrong about Dylan
          
                  
            6:36
          
          
            Mulvaney, well, partially wrong.
But in general, I can be seen as
          
                  
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            wrong about this Bud Light and
Dylan Mulvaney so called
          
                  
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            promotion?
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Well, your let me
back up. You were wrong by but
          
                  
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            it was your reviewer wrong,
because you took it from a
          
                  
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            theoretical basis, which I think
is something we do on the show a
          
                  
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            lot, and I think is valid. And
the theoretical basis was the
          
                  
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            following. Just to remind
everybody, okay, you had worked
          
                  
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            for these people. And you knew
how they thought, and you could
          
                  
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            not see in a million years how
they would go along with
          
                  
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            something so stupid as this.
Well, even
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: even worse. But
well, let me let me go. Let me
          
                  
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            step back just a little bit
more, because I even tweeted
          
                  
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            that this can that was being
shown on social media, with
          
                  
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            Dylan Mulvaney 's face on it. I
said that that has to be AI,
          
                  
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            because to take it one step
further than what we discussed
          
                  
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            on the show. I mean, okay, in
1996, I have just started my own
          
                  
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            company, I'd left MTV and I got
a call from Robert McCauley. Bob
          
                  
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            McCauley from Anheuser Busch and
St. Louis. He says, Hello, I saw
          
                  
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            what you did with the Grammy
Awards we had done. So we called
          
                  
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            it the first cyber cast for the
Grammy Awards, which was
          
                  
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            basically see you see me camera
one frame a second and Casio
          
                  
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            sponsored it with their brand
new digital camera, which you
          
                  
            7:56
          
          
            had to take the card out and put
into your laptop. And it was all
          
                  
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            slow, but it was new. I said, I
saw what you do. I'd like to
          
                  
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            talk to you about a website. So
I said, Hold on a second, let me
          
                  
            8:05
          
          
            get sales department put on
different hats Hello, sales
          
                  
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            department here. And Bob said,
I'd like you to come to St.
          
                  
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            Louis, I want to talk about a
website for Anheuser Busch for
          
                  
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            Budweiser. So we go, and, and so
they wanted to we wound up
          
                  
            8:20
          
          
            building budweiser.com Bud
light.com. And we built they had
          
                  
            8:24
          
          
            it was a great company because
they all this content from the
          
                  
            8:27
          
          
            Clydesdales to, to the sports
that they that they sponsored,
          
                  
            8:32
          
          
            they had a lot of content. We
also learned a lot about beer.
          
                  
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            How you know, because they were
certainly still bottling still
          
                  
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            at the at the plant in St.
Louis. In fact, we created the
          
                  
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            Born on date that came out of
the website we built for them as
          
                  
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            we learned that by looking at
the barcode on a bottle, or can
          
                  
            8:49
          
          
            you could determine down to the
quarter hour when your beer came
          
                  
            8:52
          
          
            off the line. And so we said oh,
why don't we make a little thing
          
                  
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            on the website, we have the we
didn't have QR code scanners and
          
                  
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            phones, of course at the time.
But if you fill in that number
          
                  
            9:02
          
          
            underneath the barcode, then you
will get your beers born on date
          
                  
            9:06
          
          
            and it became very successful.
But there were the legacy of
          
                  
            9:09
          
          
            Anheuser Busch Aug. Bush, the
third nickname grinder and then
          
                  
            9:15
          
          
            he was going to be succeeded by
Auguste Bush the fourth nickname
          
                  
            9:18
          
          
            woody who I always had my doubts
about because when we met him he
          
                  
            9:21
          
          
            was in his office looking at
Porsche catalog you know picking
          
                  
            9:24
          
          
            out his car like okay, I don't
know what you're going to be
          
                  
            9:27
          
          
            doing with the legacy of this
company. But grinder The third
          
                  
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            was very clear because we want
it to have this born on date on
          
                  
            9:34
          
          
            the cam we want we want to have
their domain name on the cam and
          
                  
            9:37
          
          
            on the bottles. It was like
there's nothing ever going to
          
                  
            9:40
          
          
            come on out no you have to put
nothing on our internet on our
          
                  
            9:44
          
          
            beer bottles and cans so now not
gonna have that's an accurate
          
                  
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            depiction of how he said that.
And after about a year and a
          
                  
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            half, you know we finally got
them to use it in their some of
          
                  
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            their commercials and their
marketing and some other come
          
                  
            10:00
          
          
            When used I probably Coke or
Pepsi started putting it on
          
                  
            10:03
          
          
            cans. So they eventually they
eventually said, Okay, we'll put
          
                  
            10:08
          
          
            it on the camps. But it was it
was sacred. The Anheuser Busch
          
                  
            10:12
          
          
            logo, the Budweiser, all of this
was sacred sacred sacred. So for
          
                  
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            them to even make as a joke one
a one off can with anyone I
          
                  
            10:22
          
          
            don't care if it's dealing
Mulvaney or elephant or
          
                  
            10:26
          
          
            anything, spuds Mackenzie wasn't
on the can either the stupid dog
          
                  
            10:30
          
          
            to not only be on the can, but
overlapping the name Bud Light
          
                  
            10:35
          
          
            that was unconscionable to me.
Now,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: how many years
ago was this 26
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: years ago?
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Times change?
          
                  
            10:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, clearly. Now,
here's the part that I was kind
          
                  
            10:49
          
          
            of correct on. So this was
dubbed on on Twitter, certainly
          
                  
            10:54
          
          
            social media as dilla Mulvaney
is the brand ambassador. Well,
          
                  
            10:58
          
          
            no, the Absolutely not. Because,
you know, besides that, there
          
                  
            11:03
          
          
            was no brand ambassador
announcement, there was nothing
          
                  
            11:06
          
          
            on their website, nothing on
there. Nothing at all about this
          
                  
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            on social media. If you look at
the hashtags, this is an
          
                  
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            influencer campaign. In fact,
the contest that 1000s of
          
                  
            11:15
          
          
            influencers, participated in
posting the same text about a
          
                  
            11:19
          
          
            $15,000 prize with the hashtags
that hashtag Bud Light partner,
          
                  
            11:25
          
          
            and dealer Mulvaney is nothing
more or less than an influencer
          
                  
            11:30
          
          
            who participates in this
campaign. Now, again, for any
          
                  
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            brand manager to send even as a
commemorative Hey,
          
                  
            11:38
          
          
            congratulations on your 365 days
as being a girl, you know, for
          
                  
            11:42
          
          
            them to send that is is already
just unbelievable. But okay,
          
                  
            11:47
          
          
            times change. So it's dealing
Mulvaney is not a brand
          
                  
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            ambassador, but the damage I
feel had already been done. You
          
                  
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            see, when you say see Kid Rock,
machine gunning cases of Bud
          
                  
            12:01
          
          
            Light, I'd say there's a little
bit of brand damage there. And I
          
                  
            12:05
          
          
            think there may be more than
they realize, but I also
          
                  
            12:07
          
          
            understand now with the latest
that came out yesterday. And
          
                  
            12:12
          
          
            again, it's Nike hires Dylan
Mulvaney as brand ambassador.
          
                  
            12:16
          
          
            No, no, again, it's an
influencer campaign. And I
          
                  
            12:20
          
          
            understand now what's happening.
So many, I don't think Dylan
          
                  
            12:23
          
          
            Mulvaney smart, but CAA
represents Dylan Mulvaney,
          
                  
            12:26
          
          
            someone who's very, very smart,
and is saying you're
          
                  
            12:29
          
          
            participating in all of these
influencer campaigns, which of
          
                  
            12:33
          
          
            course they do get paid for.
Because they can't imagine if
          
                  
            12:36
          
          
            they said, Oh, no, no, you can't
be one of our influencers. That
          
                  
            12:40
          
          
            would be the real brand suicide
for any of these companies. And
          
                  
            12:44
          
          
            some, I think, was a Gooper.
Kate, Kate Spade she's dead but
          
                  
            12:51
          
          
            Kate Spade company, they
actually may have hired her as a
          
                  
            12:54
          
          
            brand ambassador doesn't matter.
So this is going on. And it's,
          
                  
            12:59
          
          
            it's really crazy. To me, I
mean, it to me, it feels like
          
                  
            13:03
          
          
            this cannot be good for a brand
like Bud Light. It just doesn't.
          
                  
            13:08
          
          
            And it's rude. In general,
certainly the Nike campaign
          
                  
            13:12
          
          
            where it's, you know, sports
bras, are you kidding me? So,
          
                  
            13:16
          
          
            what this brought me to is what
is really going on here and
          
                  
            13:21
          
          
            it's, it's a lot deep. In fact,
this is this is just a
          
                  
            13:24
          
          
            distraction. And two things came
this morning. And the first one
          
                  
            13:33
          
          
            is I'm very happy I received
this I'm also sad about it, but
          
                  
            13:35
          
          
            I'm happy received this email.
You know, no agenda has people
          
                  
            13:40
          
          
            across the board they deliver
our boots up boots on the ground
          
                  
            13:43
          
          
            reports. We've got people with
military law enforcement and
          
                  
            13:46
          
          
            education. In Me, you name it
people in big brands, people in
          
                  
            13:51
          
          
            the medical field, someone's in
everyone's an expert in one
          
                  
            13:55
          
          
            thing, and they will always tell
us and we always share it on the
          
                  
            13:58
          
          
            show. So we also have gay and
lesbian and yes, we have trans
          
                  
            14:03
          
          
            people. And then we've always
read emails from the official
          
                  
            14:07
          
          
            tranny have no agenda, Ally
Jade. And I received an email
          
                  
            14:12
          
          
            this morning that that adage
well formerly known as Ali Jade,
          
                  
            14:17
          
          
            want me wants me to share with
everybody and then it leads into
          
                  
            14:20
          
          
            what's really happening here.
And this is Ali Jade announcing
          
                  
            14:25
          
          
            the official transgender tranny
have no agenda retirement. By
          
                  
            14:31
          
          
            I'm reading verbatim, I'm
sending this as my resignation
          
                  
            14:34
          
          
            as official training of no
agenda after almost 11 years or
          
                  
            14:37
          
          
            so it's time to move on. I am by
no way stopping listening to the
          
                  
            14:41
          
          
            best podcast in the universe.
But I can no longer provide any
          
                  
            14:45
          
          
            insight to the show for this
crazy transgender filled world.
          
                  
            14:49
          
          
            A population that can't and
shouldn't be more than a small
          
                  
            14:52
          
          
            speck of a percentage somehow
balloons to a larger speck of a
          
                  
            14:56
          
          
            percentage as now and now is in
the new cycle to the point of ad
          
                  
            14:59
          
          
            nauseam. I'd hoped As the time
passed, there would be a cure to
          
                  
            15:03
          
          
            rid myself of mental issues that
had me seek care and then
          
                  
            15:06
          
          
            transition. But alas, it is now
seen as normal and doesn't need
          
                  
            15:10
          
          
            to be fixed. It needs to be
amped up. And then the drugs
          
                  
            15:13
          
          
            come and changes apparently
should happen sooner and sooner.
          
                  
            15:16
          
          
            I do not wish any ill will on
the poor souls going through
          
                  
            15:19
          
          
            this when they get older, they
will have enough to worry about
          
                  
            15:22
          
          
            and endure. You too are the only
one saying it and it's the hard
          
                  
            15:25
          
          
            truth. I am a medical cash cow.
I have to get meds until death
          
                  
            15:30
          
          
            and there's a high probability
that hormone treatments led to
          
                  
            15:32
          
          
            my multiple sclerosis a study
out of Boston I believe. So
          
                  
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            1000s of dollars in MRI
treatments and doctor's
          
                  
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            appointments followed then
throwing the eventual medical
          
                  
            15:42
          
          
            issues that will come with age
for being on hormone treatment
          
                  
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            to my male anatomy. How about
not being able to control your
          
                  
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            bladder much anymore and always
worrying about actions No, I am
          
                  
            15:52
          
          
            not a woman. I play the part of
a woman in the world I respect
          
                  
            15:55
          
          
            and do not go into areas where
changing is done I do my best to
          
                  
            15:59
          
          
            adapt them blend in as not it's
not even appear as male or
          
                  
            16:03
          
          
            transgender. I know I'm a
product of inheritance into the
          
                  
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            distance from the perfection
lost in the Garden of Eden. I do
          
                  
            16:09
          
          
            not blame God for this I ask for
his forgiveness and help dealing
          
                  
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            with this every day as I know I
cannot go this alone. Keep
          
                  
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            deconstructing this and keep
being honest, you are on the
          
                  
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            right path. You and John have
never said anything that
          
                  
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            shouldn't have been said and I
take no ill will from those
          
                  
            16:23
          
          
            statements. This has kind of
turned into confession as I have
          
                  
            16:26
          
          
            no one else to say this to I
have not strong enough to come
          
                  
            16:29
          
          
            out as an advocate to warn
people of the dangers ahead. But
          
                  
            16:31
          
          
            I hope that you too can be that
take it from older person
          
                  
            16:34
          
          
            there's a lot they don't tell
these kids and will have to do
          
                  
            16:36
          
          
            and I've had to deal with from
24 until death sadly they will
          
                  
            16:40
          
          
            have to deal with from a very
early age until death and it's
          
                  
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            not going to be easy road. Good
luck and Godspeed to those who
          
                  
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            do. This kind of blew me away
jar.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: She has MS.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Yes. Ah, and bladder
control issues and all kinds of
          
                  
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            stuff.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: EMS is
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: yeah, just horrible.
Horrible. So I come across,
          
                  
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            there's a couple of things going
on. There's a podcast and listen
          
                  
            17:07
          
          
            to the afflicted podcast. And
there's also a documentary now
          
                  
            17:11
          
          
            just coming out. And there's
been someone sent me this video,
          
                  
            17:14
          
          
            which I think may be part of the
documentary doesn't really
          
                  
            17:17
          
          
            matter, Jennifer be like or
bilag be like, she's an
          
                  
            17:20
          
          
            investigative reporter. And I
have a couple clips from a
          
                  
            17:23
          
          
            longer YouTube video which the I
it's in the show notes everyone
          
                  
            17:27
          
          
            should watch. And this really
shows that Dylan Mulvaney is
          
                  
            17:31
          
          
            just the distraction in the
normalization of something much,
          
                  
            17:35
          
          
            much, much bigger. And it is, in
fact transhumanism.
          
                  
            17:39
          
          
            Unknown: It's technology. It's
the advancement of technology to
          
                  
            17:43
          
          
            improve, you know, our lives,
but we never get a say in any of
          
                  
            17:48
          
          
            that, you know, we don't get to
say we don't get to decide we
          
                  
            17:51
          
          
            don't get all the information.
This is all elites deciding this
          
                  
            17:54
          
          
            for us. Right. And it's, you
know, it rides the bullet train
          
                  
            17:58
          
          
            of the market. You know,
everybody is profiteering off of
          
                  
            18:02
          
          
            this now, even if they have no
idea what it's about, you know,
          
                  
            18:05
          
          
            transgender modeling agencies,
gender fluid makeup
          
                  
            18:08
          
          
            photographers taking picture of
transgender children, you know,
          
                  
            18:12
          
          
            it's everywhere. And this same
message is being driven into
          
                  
            18:15
          
          
            their grade schools. You know,
by second grade, they're
          
                  
            18:17
          
          
            learning about gender identity,
taking hormones. And this is all
          
                  
            18:23
          
          
            brought in under anti bullying
programs. These programs were
          
                  
            18:28
          
          
            passed by Obama and funded by
the Pritzker Family, the one of
          
                  
            18:34
          
          
            the largest one of the most
wealthy families in America.
          
                  
            18:37
          
          
            There's many of them. Jennifer
Pritzker, was a, an Army Colonel
          
                  
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            he purports to be a female, and
runs around with, you know,
          
                  
            18:47
          
          
            synthetic sex characteristics of
a female. And he drives this
          
                  
            18:54
          
          
            ideology into into the
psychiatric departments of major
          
                  
            18:59
          
          
            universities into other medical
institutions, gender, hospitals,
          
                  
            19:06
          
          
            the military, etc, etc. And his
company to Kewanee foundation is
          
                  
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            partnered with squadron capital,
which is a medical device
          
                  
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            company. So he's following the
same tragic story of Arcus
          
                  
            19:20
          
          
            foundation. Right, Stryker
medical as a medical supply
          
                  
            19:24
          
          
            Corporation, right? And they're
going to be profiting off of
          
                  
            19:27
          
          
            these surgeries not just, you
know, so called Gender
          
                  
            19:31
          
          
            surgeries, but human
augmentation. When we when we
          
                  
            19:35
          
          
            open the door to these kind of
radical changes to our biology,
          
                  
            19:40
          
          
            you know, the way that we're
planted in the in the Eco
          
                  
            19:43
          
          
            sphere, you know, once we let
that go that together, anything
          
                  
            19:47
          
          
            is up for grabs, you know, they
can manipulate your DNA they can
          
                  
            19:52
          
          
            manipulate you any way you want.
And that's why these rights are
          
                  
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            I mean, from what I can tell
these white these rights these
          
                  
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            gender rights are being passed.
It's not about people that are
          
                  
            20:05
          
          
            allowing their a medical attack
on their sex. It's for future
          
                  
            20:09
          
          
            augmented human beings. I follow
the money and money trails do
          
                  
            20:13
          
          
            not lie. They tell you the
truth.
          
                  
            20:16
          
          
            Adam Curry: So I'm kind of
familiar. Remember the bullying
          
                  
            20:18
          
          
            laws that we were tracking? What
was going on with that?
          
                  
            20:23
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah. So there's
a lot of Yeah, I, it's hard to
          
                  
            20:31
          
          
            make the connection with that.
But I think it was just a
          
                  
            20:33
          
          
            coincidence. It just happened to
play into it. I think there's, I
          
                  
            20:36
          
          
            think it's one step higher. Oh,
yeah. No, well then continue.
          
                  
            20:40
          
          
            Okay, we
          
                  
            20:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: go follow the money.
          
                  
            20:42
          
          
            Unknown: And so I started
following the money. And I
          
                  
            20:44
          
          
            looked at all these different
NGOs, these non governmental
          
                  
            20:48
          
          
            organizations that were really
          
                  
            20:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: huge, huge, like
architects, I forgive her for
          
                  
            20:54
          
          
            doing this,
          
                  
            20:54
          
          
            Unknown: because foundation and
Gill Foundation, they're
          
                  
            20:56
          
          
            mammoth. They've each given
like, a half a billion dollars
          
                  
            21:00
          
          
            to spread this ideology through,
through the cultures, you know,
          
                  
            21:05
          
          
            not just our culture, but you
know, Western cultures, because
          
                  
            21:08
          
          
            they've, they, they fund other
organizations that do the same
          
                  
            21:13
          
          
            thing. And they create this
whole scaffolding, this
          
                  
            21:17
          
          
            political scaffolding to drive
it so that you have media
          
                  
            21:20
          
          
            people, you have people that are
being trained in politics, to
          
                  
            21:24
          
          
            get them into political
institutions, like the victory
          
                  
            21:27
          
          
            Institute, for instance, that's
funded very heavily by orcas
          
                  
            21:31
          
          
            Foundation. And like, for
instance, Rachel Levine was part
          
                  
            21:34
          
          
            of that organization. You know,
they call people from different
          
                  
            21:37
          
          
            schools and different areas that
are going to work for them. And
          
                  
            21:40
          
          
            then they train them to be in
these positions to drive policy
          
                  
            21:43
          
          
            through the culture.
          
                  
            21:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: High enough yet.
We're getting higher. And now
          
                  
            21:49
          
          
            have just like the Hollywood
Foundation, the Norman Lear. Oh,
          
                  
            21:54
          
          
            yeah, we've got media culture
and something that she coins
          
                  
            21:58
          
          
            appropriately.
          
                  
            21:59
          
          
            Unknown: And so then they have
media people as well, like lad,
          
                  
            22:02
          
          
            is the media arm. So glad and
consolidation are closely
          
                  
            22:06
          
          
            working together. And glad goes
about spreading information
          
                  
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            about how people are supposed to
talk about this, because it's a
          
                  
            22:13
          
          
            human right, and you don't want
to offend anybody. Right. So the
          
                  
            22:18
          
          
            message comes from on high. And
what I mean by on high is not
          
                  
            22:21
          
          
            Arcus foundation, I mean,
Stryker medical $17.1 billion
          
                  
            22:26
          
          
            Corporation and growing by the
day, in 75 different countries,
          
                  
            22:32
          
          
            the medical industrial complex
is bigger than the military
          
                  
            22:36
          
          
            industrial complex,
          
                  
            22:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: she this really
struck hit home for me, I'm
          
                  
            22:40
          
          
            like, Yeah, that's what these
RNA messenger vaccines were
          
                  
            22:45
          
          
            about. This is what all the
trans rights is, human rights is
          
                  
            22:48
          
          
            all about all the stuff you're
not allowed to talk about. And
          
                  
            22:52
          
          
            then going back to and you may
know these guys from, from the
          
                  
            22:57
          
          
            older earlier days of Silicon
Valley and, and tech, the it
          
                  
            23:02
          
          
            really is a agenda, which at its
heart is to well, transhumanism
          
                  
            23:08
          
          
            to get rid of women, for sure,
at least their baby making
          
                  
            23:12
          
          
            capacity capability. And you
know,
          
                  
            23:14
          
          
            Unknown: you can see this this
tragic story in the, you know,
          
                  
            23:17
          
          
            along late 1990s, early 2000s.
There was a big shift in the
          
                  
            23:23
          
          
            culture from, you know, data
from the digital age and the
          
                  
            23:28
          
          
            information age. And it's sort
of moved into artificial
          
                  
            23:35
          
          
            intelligence, transhumanism,
robots, nanotechnology,
          
                  
            23:42
          
          
            biotechnology, etc. So this is
kind of where we're going. Now,
          
                  
            23:46
          
          
            this is like the future tragic
story of this. But you know,
          
                  
            23:49
          
          
            Silicon Valley has been pushing
a transhumanist agenda for, you
          
                  
            23:54
          
          
            know, since the early 2000s,
late 1990s. So then Bainbridge
          
                  
            23:58
          
          
            meets up with
          
                  
            24:00
          
          
            Adam Curry: Gino Bainbridge does
that name ring a bell? No,
          
                  
            24:03
          
          
            Unknown: another interesting
character, Martine Roth flat
          
                  
            24:07
          
          
            Adam Curry: about that guy,
Rothblatt, Martine Rothblatt,
          
                  
            24:11
          
          
            maybe
          
                  
            24:11
          
          
            Unknown: who is also a
transhumanist and Roth flat is
          
                  
            24:17
          
          
            he's a transsexual, he's a man
that's appropriated stimuli
          
                  
            24:21
          
          
            crumbs of women's biology for
himself, and he calls himself
          
                  
            24:24
          
          
            you know, transgender or
transsexual. He's very well
          
                  
            24:28
          
          
            renowned and very well, you
know, appreciated for his
          
                  
            24:31
          
          
            accomplishments. So he's been in
the tech sector. He's been in
          
                  
            24:34
          
          
            the, in the medical sector. He's
been in all over Hollywood. You
          
                  
            24:38
          
          
            know, he's been on Oprah. And
he's been on a million different
          
                  
            24:40
          
          
            shows, you know, with his robot
wife, which he created Rothblatt
          
                  
            24:45
          
          
            wrote a book, and it's really
like, it's really a blueprint of
          
                  
            24:48
          
          
            what's going on in the culture.
Now, this is his ideology,
          
                  
            24:51
          
          
            working off of the work of
Bainbridge whereas we're going
          
                  
            24:56
          
          
            to disintegrate the sexes the
boundary between the sexes.
          
                  
            25:00
          
          
            there'll be no youth and age
there'll be no you know, male
          
                  
            25:04
          
          
            and female. There'll be no
Transhumanism is like boundary
          
                  
            25:07
          
          
            lessness you know, you're out
there in cyberspace, ultimately,
          
                  
            25:11
          
          
            while you're getting there, it's
an upgrade and humanity melding
          
                  
            25:14
          
          
            yourself with machines, you
know, transferring reproduction,
          
                  
            25:18
          
          
            human reproduction to the tech
sector, in I think it was late
          
                  
            25:22
          
          
            1980 He got together with a
whole bunch of other
          
                  
            25:24
          
          
            transvestite lawyers and, and
transsexuals and they created a
          
                  
            25:29
          
          
            document, which was the first
the very first gender bill,
          
                  
            25:33
          
          
            which brings this embodiment
into the law, the sexual
          
                  
            25:38
          
          
            objectification of female
biology, you know, into parts
          
                  
            25:43
          
          
            and making a human right out of
that. Disembodied, well, where
          
                  
            25:48
          
          
            he's going is full on dis
embodiment where everybody lives
          
                  
            25:50
          
          
            in cyberspace, we live in a
virtual reality, we don't live
          
                  
            25:53
          
          
            in our bodies anymore, we're
gonna be up uploaded into
          
                  
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            cyberspace. Well, in order to
sell that to the public, you
          
                  
            26:00
          
          
            know, transhumanism and just
embodiment as a life. You're
          
                  
            26:05
          
          
            gonna have to groom them and get
them there. And the way to do
          
                  
            26:08
          
          
            that is to create this ideology
that says that you can choose
          
                  
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            your sex. That's disembodiment.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I know it sounds far
fetched. But I saw this whole
          
                  
            26:21
          
          
            thing. And there's a lot in
there that makes a lot of sense
          
                  
            26:23
          
          
            as to why this is happening. And
why is it happening? Because
          
                  
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            these people are insane.
          
                  
            26:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, that's not
what I do. I see it. And I have
          
                  
            26:33
          
          
            two clips. By coincidence.
          
                  
            26:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: There's no
coincidence, man.
          
                  
            26:39
          
          
            John C Dvorak: This was these
are about something else. But
          
                  
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            this was on NTD on NTD business,
I believe. And they had Roger
          
                  
            26:45
          
          
            Simon on. And he is a novelist
than a guy from Hollywood. This
          
                  
            26:50
          
          
            is one of their guys that comes
on any kind of expresses.
          
                  
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            perspective. And I think this is
this takes us above everything
          
                  
            27:01
          
          
            you've just played, to what is
really probably about and play
          
                  
            27:05
          
          
            this Roger Simon on communism.
          
                  
            27:08
          
          
            Unknown: Roger Simon, welcome to
our show. Thanks so much for
          
                  
            27:10
          
          
            coming on. Now, Concern is
growing among critics of Trump's
          
                  
            27:13
          
          
            indictment that America could be
turning into a banana state. But
          
                  
            27:17
          
          
            in recent epic Times article,
you say that the indictment is a
          
                  
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            move towards something much
bigger than a banana state.
          
                  
            27:23
          
          
            Could you elaborate on that?
          
                  
            27:25
          
          
            Well, yeah, to call the United
States of banana state is a
          
                  
            27:29
          
          
            little bit harder or Repubblica
bygone era in the original. It
          
                  
            27:35
          
          
            is not because it's too big and
powerful for that. What is
          
                  
            27:40
          
          
            incipient communist state have a
slightly different form than
          
                  
            27:44
          
          
            we're used to, but in very weird
and ironic ways similar to the
          
                  
            27:49
          
          
            People's Republic of China.
          
                  
            27:51
          
          
            And you say that the US has been
evolving towards this end for
          
                  
            27:54
          
          
            some time pointing to censorship
from the media and government as
          
                  
            27:58
          
          
            examples. What have you seen
recently, one of
          
                  
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            them is where I'm here in
Nashville. And as your viewers
          
                  
            28:07
          
          
            know, we've had a real
disastrous, awful murder here,
          
                  
            28:11
          
          
            in Nashville of six people in a
church, three of whom were nine
          
                  
            28:15
          
          
            year old children. The murder
was perpetrated by a woman in
          
                  
            28:20
          
          
            her late 20s, who decided she
was transgendered, and was a
          
                  
            28:25
          
          
            male and showed up at the end
committed these murders in what
          
                  
            28:30
          
          
            white may call terrorists drag.
I mean, she looks sort of like a
          
                  
            28:35
          
          
            classical terrorist for the
Middle East with a machine gun.
          
                  
            28:38
          
          
            I mean, that's what she looked
like. And, and this was reported
          
                  
            28:43
          
          
            on as transgendered and, and of
course, the manifesto that she
          
                  
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            wrote has been suppressed by the
government and the FBI. But
          
                  
            28:52
          
          
            interestingly enough, the word
transgender or transgendered was
          
                  
            28:56
          
          
            suppressed by CBS, a major
network of our country, for
          
                  
            29:01
          
          
            reasons they don't want to make
clear, but I think are quite
          
                  
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            obvious. And that is that the
dissolution of the family has
          
                  
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            been a major intent of communism
since the early days of the most
          
                  
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            incredible revolution.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Go, you know what,
I'll give that to you. I'll give
          
                  
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            that to you that the agenda
above the agenda agenda of the
          
                  
            29:20
          
          
            medical industrial complex is
communism. I totally I totally
          
                  
            29:25
          
          
            believe that.
          
                  
            29:27
          
          
            John C Dvorak: It's the
dissolution of the family. And
          
                  
            29:29
          
          
            if you remember, the Antifa Yep.
The protocol nuclear,
          
                  
            29:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: nuclear family
cannot exist. It
          
                  
            29:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: had to be
dissolved. And you've already
          
                  
            29:39
          
          
            pointed out that this this
transgender stuff has been
          
                  
            29:43
          
          
            taking over from Black Lives
Matter. Now, trans lives matter.
          
                  
            29:48
          
          
            Let's play part two of this.
          
                  
            29:49
          
          
            Unknown: It goes in and out
because they realize is very
          
                  
            29:52
          
          
            difficult to do. But if you just
if you dissolve the family, then
          
                  
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            what does the individual have
left but the state So the state
          
                  
            30:00
          
          
            becomes your family and then
you're under the control of the
          
                  
            30:03
          
          
            state and you're de facto in a
communism,
          
                  
            30:06
          
          
            what do you see as the way
forward for breaking out of
          
                  
            30:09
          
          
            this, what you've called
brainwashing this
          
                  
            30:12
          
          
            not easy, but in one way is the
old fashioned way which is learn
          
                  
            30:16
          
          
            about it knowledge helps you
realize what's happening to you.
          
                  
            30:20
          
          
            I mean, I congratulate and TD
for doing that APEC times as
          
                  
            30:25
          
          
            others do it. But the other way
is to elect people who are awake
          
                  
            30:30
          
          
            to that, you know, Donald Trump
for all his pluses and minuses
          
                  
            30:34
          
          
            and, and excessive behavior.
Similarly, he is certainly very
          
                  
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            aware of this, and is working
against it as as another
          
                  
            30:43
          
          
            political candidate less known
Vivek Ramaswamy, very aware of
          
                  
            30:47
          
          
            it. Others too are aware of it.
So you have a you have to elect
          
                  
            30:51
          
          
            people who are aware of it, you
have to make known the feelings
          
                  
            30:55
          
          
            and you have to talk to your
friends and relatives about it.
          
                  
            30:58
          
          
            This is maybe the hardest part.
It's easy to vote the secret
          
                  
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            ballot, but it's harder to talk
to people that you've known a
          
                  
            31:05
          
          
            long time who can disappear on
you who can alienate you can
          
                  
            31:09
          
          
            ruin your life.
          
                  
            31:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Wow, this is so
smart how they've done this by
          
                  
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            abusing children. Because once
it's children, if you can't say
          
                  
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            anything Oh, no, no, no, no, my
child was trans. You can't say
          
                  
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            anything about that. You're
horrible. You're a horrible
          
                  
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            person. If you say there is
sorry. I mean, yeah. Ah, man.
          
                  
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            And then. Okay, so it does kind
of fit together though. Because
          
                  
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            if you want to dissolve the
family, dissolve the nuclear
          
                  
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            family, then you do turn back to
technology, and all kinds of
          
                  
            31:45
          
          
            CRISPR gene splicing God knows I
don't know what what they're
          
                  
            31:49
          
          
            talking about to do crit to be
in charge of that,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: and also
sterilize people. Oh, man, let's
          
                  
            31:56
          
          
            at a young age. That's a good
way to dissolve the family.
          
                  
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            Listen
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: to Kareem Abdul
Jabbar, John Pierre Van Damme,
          
                  
            32:02
          
          
            Unknown: does the President have
a position on at what age these
          
                  
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            kinds of therapies and surgeries
are appropriate? That's
          
                  
            32:09
          
          
            something for a child and their
parents to decide. It's not
          
                  
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            something that we believe,
should be decided by, by
          
                  
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            legislators.
          
                  
            32:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: We decide everything
else when you can go to war,
          
                  
            32:20
          
          
            when you can drink when you can
do all kinds of stuff when you
          
                  
            32:22
          
          
            can have sex. Most states, but
now no, no, no, no, no, this is
          
                  
            32:29
          
          
            not to be deterred. And I think
that
          
                  
            32:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: if they decide
when you can have sex in all
          
                  
            32:33
          
          
            states, not in most
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: states, all states.
And I think what happens with
          
                  
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            with people who, you know,
people who sin will often try to
          
                  
            32:45
          
          
            relieve their guilt by getting
others to commit the same sin.
          
                  
            32:48
          
          
            So when you've transitioned your
child, and you see that it's
          
                  
            32:53
          
          
            maybe not going all that? Well,
then of course, you know, the
          
                  
            32:57
          
          
            easiest way is all you or your
kid may be trans, you should
          
                  
            33:00
          
          
            talk to my doctor about it. Now,
and I read the book,
          
                  
            33:04
          
          
            John C Dvorak: well, they tend
to the parents of kids who, who
          
                  
            33:07
          
          
            they've put through this by
accident or by peer route, or
          
                  
            33:11
          
          
            pressure or whatever, all tend
to be activist. Yes.
          
                  
            33:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: And then when I read
the book, that parents give each
          
                  
            33:19
          
          
            other like, Oh, my kid may be
trans what to do. It's all about
          
                  
            33:23
          
          
            that. It's all about the
political outfall of it fall
          
                  
            33:25
          
          
            out, it's about, you know, what
your neighbors and your family,
          
                  
            33:28
          
          
            it's how to handle that not how
to handle the child. And we know
          
                  
            33:33
          
          
            families that have done this,
and it has not turned out well.
          
                  
            33:39
          
          
            Ma'am, these people are so evil.
And anyway, when you have and
          
                  
            33:49
          
          
            this is quite a statement from
from the formerly former
          
                  
            33:53
          
          
            official trainee have no agenda
to say Hey, me, I was a cash
          
                  
            33:56
          
          
            cow. I am a cash cow. And that
is, it's the funny thing about
          
                  
            34:01
          
          
            it is when you get to communism,
there's a lot of people making
          
                  
            34:03
          
          
            money.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, of
course. Putin is supposed to be
          
                  
            34:11
          
          
            the richest man in the world.
          
                  
            34:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah. So they say,
but it's the other way of
          
                  
            34:17
          
          
            knowing his friends hold it for
him. He doesn't hold it himself.
          
                  
            34:19
          
          
            Of course, that'd be crazy. Um,
so I do have an idea, though. I
          
                  
            34:24
          
          
            don't know if it'll work. But,
you know, I think that I'm not
          
                  
            34:27
          
          
            recommending anyone do this. But
when it comes to this, you know,
          
                  
            34:31
          
          
            transgender agenda online and
these influencers, you know, I
          
                  
            34:37
          
          
            think that you should just take
any company like take Chrysler
          
                  
            34:40
          
          
            and then just, you know, just
post fake artificial generated
          
                  
            34:44
          
          
            images of all your your
transsexual brand ambassadors
          
                  
            34:48
          
          
            and see if any one of them has
the guts to say no, no, that's
          
                  
            34:51
          
          
            not associated with us.
Someone's got to break this
          
                  
            34:54
          
          
            spell. Someone's got to break
this spell. This is nuts.
          
                  
            34:58
          
          
            Anyway, There you go. So we
don't have to talk about that
          
                  
            35:04
          
          
            because everyone's obsessed with
it.
          
                  
            35:06
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I was hoping you
weren't going to talk about I
          
                  
            35:09
          
          
            thought Dylan. I think Dylan
Mulvaney is a phony. Yep. And
          
                  
            35:16
          
          
            that's just don't see what the
attention part of it is. I mean,
          
                  
            35:20
          
          
            she, she, he, whatever, is gigs,
likes to get attention does a
          
                  
            35:24
          
          
            good job of it. The giveaway to
me was always the video that's
          
                  
            35:28
          
          
            going around. It's on YouTube.
When Dylan as a boy was on. The
          
                  
            35:36
          
          
            Price Is Right. What was it the
prices? Right?
          
                  
            35:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah, prices, right.
Yeah, it was, like a nut job.
          
                  
            35:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: She runs around
like a nut job as a guy. Don't
          
                  
            35:45
          
          
            even guys, fruity guy would
          
                  
            35:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: even say she when it
comes to this person. Don't even
          
                  
            35:50
          
          
            say that. That's insane.
          
                  
            35:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: And it was like,
ridiculous. It's the same
          
                  
            35:56
          
          
            person. Exactly. It was
obviously some hotkeys. While
          
                  
            36:01
          
          
            they were, I'll use that. I
don't like it. Oh, it let's do
          
                  
            36:06
          
          
            that. There you go. So it was
wants to be in Hollywood. It
          
                  
            36:09
          
          
            wants to be and is it as a as a
person trying to make money as a
          
                  
            36:15
          
          
            screwball, I think
          
                  
            36:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: did very well. And
Dilma is no reason for me to
          
                  
            36:21
          
          
            promote it. No, of course not.
But also know that it is
          
                  
            36:27
          
          
            represented by CA, the very same
people who picked up the high,
          
                  
            36:37
          
          
            they did time's up. Remember,
they took the after Harvey
          
                  
            36:41
          
          
            Weinstein. And they did time's
up. And they promoted all this.
          
                  
            36:45
          
          
            And I'm sure they promoted Black
Lives Matter. These are evil
          
                  
            36:48
          
          
            people. If people don't love
you, or your family or your
          
                  
            36:51
          
          
            children or America, it a
horrible people. Horrible. So
          
                  
            36:57
          
          
            yes, we don't have talked about
anymore. But we do have to
          
                  
            36:59
          
          
            understand that that's the
agenda. And I'm with you on the
          
                  
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            on the communism part. And I'm
with you on that. That could be
          
                  
            37:06
          
          
            above all of it. Absolutely.
          
                  
            37:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: When people to
write this down, and this is
          
                  
            37:10
          
          
            something I think people should
be aware of, because you were
          
                  
            37:12
          
          
            talking about CAA. And it
they're highly prevalent in this
          
                  
            37:17
          
          
            in these in this documentary
that's floating around, which
          
                  
            37:20
          
          
            just came out about a week or
two ago. And it's called, and
          
                  
            37:23
          
          
            it's done by the New York Times,
and they've done a tremendously
          
                  
            37:26
          
          
            good job of it, even though it's
gotten some criticism from I
          
                  
            37:30
          
          
            think it was the Hollywood
reporter who said it was a
          
                  
            37:32
          
          
            little discombobulated, even
though it's incredibly
          
                  
            37:35
          
          
            important. It's called Sin
Eater, to crimes of Anthony
          
                  
            37:39
          
          
            Pelicano. Who's that? He is the
fixer in Hollywood, who had
          
                  
            37:45
          
          
            tapped pretty much everybody's
phones, and ended up in jail for
          
                  
            37:49
          
          
            17 years. For a bunch of he was
Iraq. It was racketeering that
          
                  
            37:54
          
          
            was going on down there. It's a
tremendous documentary. It's on
          
                  
            37:58
          
          
            Hulu and YouTube TV, they have
it but you want to watch it on
          
                  
            38:04
          
          
            Hulu as you can. It's two parts.
And as was done by is produced
          
                  
            38:09
          
          
            by FX and and New York Times is
behind it. And it documents the
          
                  
            38:16
          
          
            kind of evils that were going on
in Hollywood in the 90s. And
          
                  
            38:22
          
          
            2000s is just a tremendous
product. I was riveted to it the
          
                  
            38:26
          
          
            other day. revenant what's it
called again? Sin eight are the
          
                  
            38:30
          
          
            crimes of Anthony Pelicano sin
eater.
          
                  
            38:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: And any other big
names that are fun to talk about
          
                  
            38:39
          
          
            in that documentary
          
                  
            38:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: for the A's in
their Garry Shandling's in
          
                  
            38:44
          
          
            there. Whoa. It's got pretty
much it's it's astonishing,
          
                  
            38:50
          
          
            isn't it? It's just I would say
it was more disgusted watching
          
                  
            38:55
          
          
            this and anything else? A lot of
the big law firms in LA
          
                  
            38:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: know, huh, ovitz
          
                  
            39:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Oh, hi. Hi. Up on
the thing. Of course. ovis I
          
                  
            39:05
          
          
            think I think that what happened
to Pele kind of ruined over his
          
                  
            39:09
          
          
            career that oh, this was a big
part of it. And he was I think
          
                  
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            CSEA
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Yeah, and he died
young.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: He did. I don't
know what this is dead. No,
          
                  
            39:20
          
          
            yeah. overdyed
          
                  
            39:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: maybe 10 years ago.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Michael Ovitz.
Yeah,
          
                  
            39:26
          
          
            Adam Curry: absolutely. You
know, I'll bring it up for you.
          
                  
            39:28
          
          
            But allow me to consult the book
of knowledge. Michael Ovitz died
          
                  
            39:33
          
          
            in well, he's not dead. No. I
thought he was dead. Am I think
          
                  
            39:40
          
          
            about someone else.
          
                  
            39:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I don't know who
you're thinking about. From
          
                  
            39:43
          
          
            Warren.
          
                  
            39:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: I thought he was
dead. Maybe oh, maybe the
          
                  
            39:47
          
          
            uploaded him.
          
                  
            39:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Anyway, he
recommended this documentary to
          
                  
            39:54
          
          
            listeners and no agenda. You
admire it?
          
                  
            39:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes. Why do you
think he was dead? Who was it
          
                  
            39:59
          
          
            that isn't Then well you know
he's dead and and I'll just I'll
          
                  
            40:05
          
          
            just mention this let me see if
I actually have it here and to
          
                  
            40:07
          
          
            have a clip of this he Yeah,
this one here
          
                  
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            Unknown: this morning more
questions around the stabbing
          
                  
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            death of Bob Lee known as a
genius in the tech industry, the
          
                  
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            founder of cash app and the
Chief Product Officer at
          
                  
            40:25
          
          
            cryptocurrency startup mobile
coin. The 43 year old was
          
                  
            40:28
          
          
            apparently attacked around
2:30am Tuesday while walking
          
                  
            40:32
          
          
            down a street in San Francisco's
were in Caen Hill neighborhood,
          
                  
            40:35
          
          
            an area described as residential
and typically quiet. A local
          
                  
            40:39
          
          
            reporter says he viewed nearby
surveillance video of the
          
                  
            40:42
          
          
            sidewalk not yet made public. He
seems to live to shut
          
                  
            40:46
          
          
            up as he approaches a car that
is stopped on the corner with
          
                  
            40:51
          
          
            its flashers on the car then
drives away he falls to the
          
                  
            40:55
          
          
            ground. He gets up again and
then walks back on Main the way
          
                  
            41:00
          
          
            you came but on the other side
of the street and falls down he
          
                  
            41:03
          
          
            collapsed and died a short time
later Lee had moved his family
          
                  
            41:07
          
          
            to Miami but was in the Bay Area
on business
          
                  
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            actually live right where he got
killed. I used to walk there all
          
                  
            41:13
          
          
            the time at night and I did
started slowly playing Russian
          
                  
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            my safe
          
                  
            41:16
          
          
            Elon Musk offer condolences
while commenting about crime
          
                  
            41:20
          
          
            tweeting many people I know have
been severely assaulted. Violent
          
                  
            41:23
          
          
            crime in San Francisco is
horrific. And even if attackers
          
                  
            41:27
          
          
            are caught, they are often
released immediately. San
          
                  
            41:30
          
          
            Francisco's homicide rate is of
averaging five murders per month
          
                  
            41:33
          
          
            in the last year 58 at all
compared to three murders per
          
                  
            41:37
          
          
            month in 2019. But that rate is
still far lower than other big
          
                  
            41:41
          
          
            cities. As for Bob Lee, his
friends are remembering not just
          
                  
            41:45
          
          
            his love for technology, but his
love for his family.
          
                  
            41:48
          
          
            His dedication to his kids was
first and foremost. Bob was
          
                  
            41:53
          
          
            Father of the Year.
          
                  
            41:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: So what everyone's
talking about is how dangerous
          
                  
            41:58
          
          
            San Francisco is. Scott Adams
also posted a story like Oh, bye
          
                  
            42:04
          
          
            bye got mugged at knifepoint on
that same corner. I just want to
          
                  
            42:09
          
          
            put out there you know something
that I have not heard anyone
          
                  
            42:12
          
          
            even suggest as a possible idea
and hearing this clip it can be
          
                  
            42:16
          
          
            even more possible. He started
mobile coin which has real legs.
          
                  
            42:21
          
          
            The mobile coin was big. It's
integrated in signal. It's a
          
                  
            42:25
          
          
            proof of work base
cryptocurrency. I'm not a fan,
          
                  
            42:28
          
          
            but it definitely had rollout.
But how about murder? Anyone
          
                  
            42:33
          
          
            think of that? I did. Well, good
because to me that sounds like
          
                  
            42:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: first thing I
thought of I thought he would I
          
                  
            42:39
          
          
            thought it sounded like a hit.
He was out here from and a guy
          
                  
            42:42
          
          
            who is in tech living in Miami.
You know that says to me, you
          
                  
            42:47
          
          
            know that is abnormal? Yep. You
don't if you're in tech, you
          
                  
            42:51
          
          
            don't live in Miami. Nope.
That's it. That's you know, you
          
                  
            42:56
          
          
            know,
          
                  
            42:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think it was a
possible hit,
          
                  
            42:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I think was a
hit. That's what I thought when
          
                  
            43:01
          
          
            I first heard about it. I never
heard of this guy by the way.
          
                  
            43:03
          
          
            You know, I guess he's some, but
I was not in ever involved in
          
                  
            43:07
          
          
            that part of tech.
          
                  
            43:08
          
          
            Adam Curry: No. No, I mean,
either. I just know about mobile
          
                  
            43:12
          
          
            coin, and that he started Cash
App, which is huge, of course.
          
                  
            43:16
          
          
            And he was I was part of the
square and by coincidence, I'm
          
                  
            43:22
          
          
            not implying anything other than
by coincidence. Elon Musk
          
                  
            43:25
          
          
            finally does what I said he
would do is he's ruined Twitter.
          
                  
            43:29
          
          
            And he has that stupid dose dog
popping up.
          
                  
            43:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I gotta kick it a
dog. Like you dog by the way.
          
                  
            43:36
          
          
            Adam Curry: It's a shitty dog.
No one likes that dog. It's not
          
                  
            43:39
          
          
            a cute dog as an annoying dog.
It's true. According
          
                  
            43:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to Jay there, she
knows what dog that is. She's
          
                  
            43:44
          
          
            the dog expert. It says she used
to call the shitty dog she says
          
                  
            43:49
          
          
            that is indeed a shitty dog. Oh
do tell the dog actually.
          
                  
            43:54
          
          
            According to her and she knows
all these breeds because she was
          
                  
            43:56
          
          
            a dog walker for years. She says
the dog nobody likes that kind
          
                  
            44:01
          
          
            of dog. It's a she told me that
breed I forgot what it is she
          
                  
            44:07
          
          
            she says it and she says it has
the personality of a cat is not
          
                  
            44:12
          
          
            a loving dog. It's not a
friendly dog. It doesn't like
          
                  
            44:14
          
          
            other dogs. It's a horrible dog
          
                  
            44:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: I'm glad we have
that information. It's good to
          
                  
            44:22
          
          
            know well there you go. That dog
is triggering to me. I literally
          
                  
            44:26
          
          
            go on Twitter less because every
single time I go there I get a
          
                  
            44:29
          
          
            full screen flash black with the
with that dog. Yeah, and I don't
          
                  
            44:34
          
          
            know about you. But since April
1 When you supposedly we all had
          
                  
            44:38
          
          
            to pay for Twitter blue, which I
never had wouldn't I don't have
          
                  
            44:41
          
          
            a blue checkmark. You have it
didn't have to. He didn't take
          
                  
            44:44
          
          
            it away. That was a lie. Still
there but I have sedang which by
          
                  
            44:50
          
          
            the way it was there after I got
the threat. Yes, that's what I'm
          
                  
            44:53
          
          
            saying. It's still there was
supposed to be gone April 1, but
          
                  
            44:57
          
          
            I have significantly less
engaged judgement. On Twitter.
          
                  
            45:02
          
          
            I'm getting much less people
sending me stuff or feeding back
          
                  
            45:08
          
          
            or if I tweet something or
answer something, I get nothing.
          
                  
            45:12
          
          
            So it's ruined it, you know, and
I'm not gonna pay seven. I'm not
          
                  
            45:16
          
          
            gonna pay anything. But I think
I kind of predicted he would
          
                  
            45:19
          
          
            ruin it. I don't know if you're
seeing that or you don't care,
          
                  
            45:24
          
          
            right? You don't you don't use
it except to promote stuff. So
          
                  
            45:26
          
          
            you don't see much else at all.
Anyway,
          
                  
            45:29
          
          
            John C Dvorak: trim put a tweet
up once I retweet something
          
                  
            45:32
          
          
            occasionally, but they will take
it down. Do you?
          
                  
            45:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: Do you feel any less
engagement or you haven't
          
                  
            45:37
          
          
            noticed?
          
                  
            45:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Any engagement
dropped off? Five, six years
          
                  
            45:41
          
          
            ago?
          
                  
            45:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay. All right.
Well, that's pre I did
          
                  
            45:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: a I did testing
and it was like, it was dropped
          
                  
            45:49
          
          
            way off when it when I first
went, I had like 10,000
          
                  
            45:52
          
          
            followers very early on. I would
get engagement, I would ask for
          
                  
            45:58
          
          
            something and I get it right
after getting to 100,000. It's
          
                  
            46:03
          
          
            like 1/10 of what it was at
10,000. Interesting. And I find
          
                  
            46:08
          
          
            that was started a long time
ago.
          
                  
            46:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, in the
backdrop of this, there's a lot
          
                  
            46:13
          
          
            of fear mongering going on. Oh
my goodness. Oh, the. We even
          
                  
            46:17
          
          
            had Crowley, the Assistant
Secretary of State PR
          
                  
            46:21
          
          
            department, talking about how
the cbdc is coming. The dollar
          
                  
            46:25
          
          
            is gonna go away. It's all over.
And right on cue. Here's Marco
          
                  
            46:30
          
          
            Rubio intelligence Senate
Intelligence Committee, big war
          
                  
            46:34
          
          
            monger, big military industrial
complex guy today.
          
                  
            46:39
          
          
            Unknown: Brazil, in our
hemisphere, largest country in
          
                  
            46:42
          
          
            the Western Hemisphere south of
us cut a trade deal with China.
          
                  
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            They're going to from now on do
trade in their own currencies
          
                  
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            get right around the dollar
stop.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Wait, you mean
Brazil of BRICS? Yes. Brazil,
          
                  
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            Russia, Russia, India, China,
and South Africa? Yes. So so. So
          
                  
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            this bricks, which has been
around for what a decade, which
          
                  
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            means they've been doing these
deals all along. This is new to
          
                  
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            him?
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Well, this is the
anti China. This is the by the
          
                  
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            way, he's not talking about
Ukraine,
          
                  
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            Unknown: cut a trade deal with
China, they're going to from now
          
                  
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            on do trade in their own
currencies get right around the
          
                  
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            dollar. They're creating a
secondary economy in the world,
          
                  
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            totally independent of the
United States, we won't have
          
                  
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            about sanctions in five years,
because there'll be so many
          
                  
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            countries transacting and
currencies other than the
          
                  
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            dollar, that we won't have the
ability to sanction them, as we
          
                  
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            are sitting here, you know,
focused on some of these
          
                  
            47:39
          
          
            nuttiness that's going on people
that are basically dedicating
          
                  
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            their lives in this country, to
ensuring that it is legal to
          
                  
            47:45
          
          
            mutilate children to do drag
shares in schools. They dedicate
          
                  
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            their lives to this, and we have
a another superpower that
          
                  
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            basically wants to become the
world's dominant power at our
          
                  
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            expense. And these people don't
want to focus on it. They're,
          
                  
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            you know, we had some person on
the view yesterday say that our
          
                  
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            criminal justice system is no
better than what China is doing
          
                  
            48:05
          
          
            with its genocide of Uighur
Muslims. So we better wake up
          
                  
            48:08
          
          
            but we're going a little slower
than the one we've been used to.
          
                  
            48:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, I better start
watching the view. They said
          
                  
            48:12
          
          
            something smart. Finally, it was
crazy.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: So all over the
road.
          
                  
            48:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: I don't know that. I
mean, yes, of course, bricks.
          
                  
            48:21
          
          
            We've been talking about bricks
for a decade, at least. But but
          
                  
            48:25
          
          
            it is it does. It does
apparently seem to be true that
          
                  
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            that sort of that we've lost
control of Saudi Arabia, and
          
                  
            48:32
          
          
            right at the moment when
          
                  
            48:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: we thank you, Joe
Biden, who went out and condemn
          
                  
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            the guy running in a place when
he ran for office?
          
                  
            48:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, exactly. And
then I fully expect I think, I
          
                  
            48:44
          
          
            think that that we started
taking whatever's left in our
          
                  
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            strategic petroleum reserve. And
and because of that, Saudi
          
                  
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            Arabia and perhaps other OPEC
countries said, oh, you know
          
                  
            49:03
          
          
            what, we're just gonna, we're
gonna stop producing as much
          
                  
            49:06
          
          
            we're going to make sure that
the oil price goes higher. And
          
                  
            49:10
          
          
            and now we don't even have much
of our strategic reserve left.
          
                  
            49:13
          
          
            And then the funniest thing did
you see the Prime Minister of
          
                  
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            Japan visiting with Zelinsky?
No, I didn't know much. Oh,
          
                  
            49:22
          
          
            everyone, if so that he goes to
the season lands, he's got to
          
                  
            49:25
          
          
            know the equivalent of a big
check. Oh, look, it goes.
          
                  
            49:28
          
          
            John C Dvorak: He goes to
Ukraine. Yeah, he goes to
          
                  
            49:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: the train he meets
with the Lansky gives him the
          
                  
            49:33
          
          
            envelope. Yeah, it should have
had the big clearing publishers
          
                  
            49:37
          
          
            house. Check. Look at all this
I'm giving to you. I love you.
          
                  
            49:43
          
          
            I'm giving this to you. Because
while we were gonna buy oil from
          
                  
            49:46
          
          
            Russia,
          
                  
            49:46
          
          
            Unknown: Japan is distancing
itself from the United States
          
                  
            49:49
          
          
            and the European Union and it's
buying Russian oil above the 60
          
                  
            49:52
          
          
            US dollar per barrel. That's
December the European Union, the
          
                  
            49:55
          
          
            United States agreed to set a
limit on the price of Russian
          
                  
            49:57
          
          
            oil as $60 per barrel. is backed
still in force is part of the
          
                  
            50:01
          
          
            retaliation against Moscow for
the Ukrainian conflict, also
          
                  
            50:05
          
          
            agreed by the g7 countries
including Japan. Barely four
          
                  
            50:09
          
          
            months after this agreement. The
Wall Street Journal reports that
          
                  
            50:11
          
          
            Japan broke this agreement and
began to buy Russian oil above
          
                  
            50:14
          
          
            the limit of $60 per barrel.
While this is happening at a
          
                  
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            time when Russia is redirecting
its exports to Asia to
          
                  
            50:21
          
          
            counteract the sanctions
imposed. This scenario coincides
          
                  
            50:24
          
          
            with another delicate moment. So
several countries have the
          
                  
            50:27
          
          
            Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries announced
          
                  
            50:30
          
          
            last Sunday unexpected voluntary
cuts in their production and
          
                  
            50:34
          
          
            withdraw crude oil from the
market.
          
                  
            50:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: So our friends, our
buddies, Japan said, yeah, no,
          
                  
            50:42
          
          
            it's okay Joe, but we're gonna
go buy Russian oil above the $60
          
                  
            50:46
          
          
            proposed limit. What is going on
with these people are morons.
          
                  
            50:50
          
          
            They're really stupid. Well, who
listen to by 70s Oh, no, no,
          
                  
            50:55
          
          
            Biden, and Obama, whoever's
running all that show. They're
          
                  
            50:59
          
          
            nuts.
          
                  
            51:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: They're doing a
poor job. Let's put it that way.
          
                  
            51:03
          
          
            I got a thing here about bricks.
This is interesting. Bricks,
          
                  
            51:06
          
          
            which is the acronym it was
originally brick and in South
          
                  
            51:09
          
          
            Africa in 2010. This became this
started in 2001. And who coined
          
                  
            51:16
          
          
            the term where did it come from?
Kind of stormy day Goldman
          
                  
            51:19
          
          
            Sachs. I'm
          
                  
            51:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: sorry, I thought was
stormy Daniels?
          
                  
            51:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, it was
Goldman same thing. Goldman
          
                  
            51:25
          
          
            Sachs economist Jim O'Neill
          
                  
            51:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: is there a clip I'm
supposed to play here?
          
                  
            51:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, I'm just
reading from them. You wiki
          
                  
            51:33
          
          
            page. I was looking when When
did bricks show up as in 2001.
          
                  
            51:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: Now it doesn't
surprise me. And by the way, we
          
                  
            51:41
          
          
            had I think the EU was also
walking away from us. I'm gonna
          
                  
            51:44
          
          
            see I don't know if I have a
clip. We had Ursula, Queen
          
                  
            51:50
          
          
            Ursula and McCrone visiting in
China.
          
                  
            51:56
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, yes. I
didn't know I was not under the
          
                  
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            impression that Ursula went
          
                  
            52:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. No, they
went together. They went
          
                  
            52:04
          
          
            together. Sure. Yes. Okay. Yeah,
definitely. I think they
          
                  
            52:10
          
          
            actually went together let me
see I don't have my I don't have
          
                  
            52:15
          
          
            a clip of it. But I mean, I'm so
after the after those two
          
                  
            52:21
          
          
            Russian guys hoax to Fifi
Lagarde. That's when I knew that
          
                  
            52:25
          
          
            all these people are stupid.
They don't know anything.
          
                  
            52:30
          
          
            They're just complete dumb. So
there you go. Do I have it here?
          
                  
            52:40
          
          
            Oh, here's the OPEC maybe. See
with this
          
                  
            52:43
          
          
            Unknown: oil prices have been
rising overnight after a
          
                  
            52:45
          
          
            surprise decision by OPEC to cut
production that could mean
          
                  
            52:48
          
          
            higher gas prices are on the
way. OPEC plus which includes
          
                  
            52:51
          
          
            Saudi Arabia and Russia is
slashing production by more than
          
                  
            52:54
          
          
            a million barrels per day until
the end of the year. Saudi
          
                  
            52:58
          
          
            officials say the cut is to
stabilize the market. Gas prices
          
                  
            53:01
          
          
            have already been rising at the
pump up 13 cents in the last
          
                  
            53:04
          
          
            month. The White House is
pushing back on the OPEC cuts
          
                  
            53:07
          
          
            saying we don't think cuts are
advisable at this moment given
          
                  
            53:10
          
          
            market uncertainty. Oil prices
fell last month during the chaos
          
                  
            53:14
          
          
            in the banking industry. But now
after the cuts by OPEC analysts
          
                  
            53:17
          
          
            say we could see $100 A barrel
by next year.
          
                  
            53:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: hears from
Bloomberg. I don't know if
          
                  
            53:23
          
          
            that's what do you think? Well,
that happened? I mean, it could
          
                  
            53:25
          
          
            happen. I guess they
          
                  
            53:26
          
          
            John C Dvorak: always push this
idea 100 We've heard a lot it's
          
                  
            53:28
          
          
            always been well, with Biden in
office anything's possible.
          
                  
            53:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: French President
Emmanuel Macron and European
          
                  
            53:34
          
          
            Commission president Ursula von
der Leyen are in China. This is
          
                  
            53:37
          
          
            Bloomberg we need to track quote
we need to try to engage with
          
                  
            53:40
          
          
            China strategically and speak
with him directly about this
          
                  
            53:42
          
          
            Russian aggression and the
consequences for Europe McCrone
          
                  
            53:45
          
          
            said in his speech at the French
Embassy a day before meeting
          
                  
            53:48
          
          
            Chinese president Zhi Jing ping,
which may be today. So this is
          
                  
            53:53
          
          
            this is the EU meaning with our
arch enemy. How does that work?
          
                  
            54:00
          
          
            And what you don't have to
          
                  
            54:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: do how do we do
trading with our arch enemy to
          
                  
            54:04
          
          
            the extent that we're still
taking a beating? Well, I don't
          
                  
            54:08
          
          
            know what kind of arch enemy is
China when we get most of the
          
                  
            54:12
          
          
            stuff that you buy at the store
from China tick
          
                  
            54:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: tock, man tick tock,
tick tock. You know what's going
          
                  
            54:20
          
          
            on is tick tock man. They're
spying on our children. The
          
                  
            54:25
          
          
            funniest to head would head
funniest to headline somebody
          
                  
            54:28
          
          
            asked who was the funniest two
headlines? I'm gonna say Do I
          
                  
            54:32
          
          
            have a tick? Thomas, you do have
a tick tock clip because there's
          
                  
            54:35
          
          
            so much to talk about. Sales of
tick tock owner bytedance up
          
                  
            54:39
          
          
            over 30% in 2022 to reach $80
billion in revenue matching,
          
                  
            54:44
          
          
            matching 10 cents revenue. And,
in fact the article it's site.
          
                  
            54:52
          
          
            It says that double digit growth
revealed in a recent memo to
          
                  
            54:57
          
          
            investors topped most global
internet leaders including meta
          
                  
            55:01
          
          
            platforms and Amazon. Yeah. So
hello, this this.
          
                  
            55:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: The problem I
have with just do it this number
          
                  
            55:10
          
          
            is since tick tock is
international and China is a
          
                  
            55:14
          
          
            huge market. Yeah. They don't
break out to 80 billion. They
          
                  
            55:18
          
          
            have to tell us how much of that
80 billion is American revenue.
          
                  
            55:22
          
          
            That way we can see what is
really
          
                  
            55:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: I'm with you, but it
does come back to back with this
          
                  
            55:28
          
          
            article from CNBC. As Chief
Financial Officer of Google Ruth
          
                  
            55:35
          
          
            Porat, the kicked off multi year
employee service cuts we are big
          
                  
            55:42
          
          
            these are big multi year
efforts. She said our company
          
                  
            55:45
          
          
            wide okay are on durable savings
which okay our mean? What's that
          
                  
            55:49
          
          
            acronym? Mean?
          
                  
            55:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I have no idea.
          
                  
            55:51
          
          
            Adam Curry: They are cutting
muffins on Monday. There I'm not
          
                  
            55:56
          
          
            kidding. This is in the car. He
          
                  
            55:57
          
          
            John C Dvorak: does say that.
Really? You know, they cut him
          
                  
            55:59
          
          
            they've cut muffins, but usually
on Monday.
          
                  
            56:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, Mondays they
would they were they were making
          
                  
            56:04
          
          
            too many muffins on Monday. We
literally says in the article.
          
                  
            56:08
          
          
            We've baked too many muffins on
Monday. Which and my favorite is
          
                  
            56:14
          
          
            no more personal staplers.
          
                  
            56:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, the state
which actually Horowitz and I
          
                  
            56:19
          
          
            talked about this on VHS like
and the stapler thing kept
          
                  
            56:23
          
          
            cropping up and we're both what
do they use staplers for in a
          
                  
            56:27
          
          
            paperless office? A? And how
many staples do they need most?
          
                  
            56:32
          
          
            And why do you have to cut back
as they keep buying more and
          
                  
            56:35
          
          
            more staplers? I mean, what is
somebody selling him on the
          
                  
            56:37
          
          
            side? What was the deal with
these staplers?
          
                  
            56:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, what really
needs to happen is issues these
          
                  
            56:46
          
          
            are mostly minor adjustments.
But she says now that most of us
          
                  
            56:50
          
          
            are in office three days a week
we've noticed our supply demand
          
                  
            56:53
          
          
            ratios are a bit out of sync we
bake too many muffins on Monday,
          
                  
            56:57
          
          
            we sit CMBC I can't believe she
said this out loud. We've seen
          
                  
            57:04
          
          
            Google buses run with just one
passenger and offered yoga
          
                  
            57:07
          
          
            classes on a Friday afternoon
when folks are more likely to be
          
                  
            57:10
          
          
            working home as a result we may
close cafes on Mondays and
          
                  
            57:14
          
          
            Fridays and shut down some
facilities that are
          
                  
            57:16
          
          
            underutilized How bad is it when
you have to do this? Well really
          
                  
            57:23
          
          
            it comes down to this this year
one this is an email from her
          
                  
            57:27
          
          
            this year one of our important
company OKRs shown with that is
          
                  
            57:30
          
          
            it's delivered durable savings
through improved velocity and
          
                  
            57:33
          
          
            efficiency all pas and functions
were Wait
          
                  
            57:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: What's velocity
          
                  
            57:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: spending money to
fast the way
          
                  
            57:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: to improve you
when you start hearing the I've
          
                  
            57:44
          
          
            got actually some clips with
guys like this yak and because
          
                  
            57:47
          
          
            it's their AI clips. These guys
are talking through their hats
          
                  
            57:50
          
          
            did just use the word velocity
what does it mean?
          
                  
            57:53
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, I think you're
onto something because the in
          
                  
            57:56
          
          
            the same paragraph let me finish
it out through improve velocity
          
                  
            58:00
          
          
            and efficiency all pas whatever
that is and functions are
          
                  
            58:03
          
          
            working toward this velocity and
efficiency Googlers have at
          
                  
            58:08
          
          
            that's an almost sounds like
something you take out of your
          
                  
            58:09
          
          
            nose like a booger. Googlers
have asked for more detail. So
          
                  
            58:13
          
          
            we're sharing more information
below. This work is particularly
          
                  
            58:17
          
          
            vital because of our recent
growth. The challenging economic
          
                  
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            environment tick tock and our
incredible investment
          
                  
            58:25
          
          
            opportunities to drive
technology forward particularly
          
                  
            58:29
          
          
            in AI. We improve machine
utilization narrowed our real
          
                  
            58:35
          
          
            estate investment tightened our
belt on travel and entertainment
          
                  
            58:38
          
          
            budgets, cafes, micro kitchens,
and mobile phone usage and
          
                  
            58:42
          
          
            remove the hybrid vehicle
subsidy.
          
                  
            58:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: With mobile phone
usage, you're using your flat
          
                  
            58:49
          
          
            fee per month
          
                  
            58:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: now. That means
they're taking them away and
          
                  
            58:52
          
          
            you'll have to keep your laptop
longer, you don't get a new
          
                  
            58:54
          
          
            laptop as soon we've removed the
hybrid vehicle subsidy, burn
          
                  
            59:00
          
          
            gas. Since then, we've continued
to rebalance based on data about
          
                  
            59:05
          
          
            how programs and services are
being used. We focused on
          
                  
            59:09
          
          
            distributing our compute
workloads even more efficiently.
          
                  
            59:14
          
          
            Getting more of our servers and
getting more out of our servers
          
                  
            59:18
          
          
            and data centers. We've already
made progress with these efforts
          
                  
            59:21
          
          
            and will continue to drive
efficiencies. This work adds up
          
                  
            59:24
          
          
            to edge adds up given
infrastructure is one of our
          
                  
            59:27
          
          
            largest areas of investment. And
here it is, as we apply our
          
                  
            59:31
          
          
            efficient and well tuned
infrastructure and software to
          
                  
            59:35
          
          
            machine learning. We're
continuing to discover more
          
                  
            59:38
          
          
            scalable and efficient ways to
train and serve models. They're
          
                  
            59:43
          
          
            so all in on this AI bullcrap
it's bankrupting them, and they
          
                  
            59:47
          
          
            do not have a revenue model for
it. No one's going to pay for
          
                  
            59:51
          
          
            this junk. I think they're lost.
I think this they're in huge
          
                  
            59:56
          
          
            trouble.
          
                  
            1:00:00
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, I don't
know how much trouble they're in
          
                  
            1:00:02
          
          
            there get revenues that are
unbelievable even if they
          
                  
            1:00:04
          
          
            dropped by half.
          
                  
            1:00:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, it sounds to
me like they're, they say we've
          
                  
            1:00:08
          
          
            been here before backscene play
key we've yes, we've been here
          
                  
            1:00:12
          
          
            before. I'm quoting back in 2008
our expenses were growing faster
          
                  
            1:00:17
          
          
            than our revenue. So that's
clearly what's happening right
          
                  
            1:00:20
          
          
            now. Expenses are higher or
growing faster as code for
          
                  
            1:00:25
          
          
            higher faster than our revenue.
Because they're all in on this
          
                  
            1:00:30
          
          
            oh ay ay ay ay Google bar
doesn't work. Oh, how are we
          
                  
            1:00:33
          
          
            gonna? We got to charge people
for it. No one's gonna pay
          
                  
            1:00:38
          
          
            nobody All right, you got let's
do some let's do some AI clips.
          
                  
            1:00:41
          
          
            And before we do that, the Adam
curry no agenda Turing test of
          
                  
            1:00:46
          
          
            this bull crap. Do you remember
what it is?
          
                  
            1:00:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, yeah, you
did? Well, well, you know what a
          
                  
            1:00:53
          
          
            Turing test is which is the
ability of a computer to emulate
          
                  
            1:00:56
          
          
            a human to such an extreme that
no one can tell. Right? Right.
          
                  
            1:00:59
          
          
            And you have made the, the
assertion that under all
          
                  
            1:01:04
          
          
            circumstances where there is
written, draw drawed or spoken
          
                  
            1:01:11
          
          
            that you can always spot it. Yo,
you are the Turing test. No.
          
                  
            1:01:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: Incorrect. Turing
test was the first AI AGI by the
          
                  
            1:01:21
          
          
            way listen, watch. Say it right.
AGI is the way all the cool kids
          
                  
            1:01:23
          
          
            are saying it was AGI artificial
generated intelligence. All the
          
                  
            1:01:29
          
          
            cool cars never
          
                  
            1:01:30
          
          
            John C Dvorak: heard this. I
know you will. I'm not a cool
          
                  
            1:01:32
          
          
            kid. So there's that.
          
                  
            1:01:33
          
          
            Adam Curry: Hey, by the way,
man, happy birthday.
          
                  
            1:01:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank
you. And thanks. So the people I
          
                  
            1:01:38
          
          
            got a lot of people that donated
the $71 necessary to appease the
          
                  
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            constant complaining about our
donations. Yeah, that
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: that worked out well
for you. It did. Yes. So no, my
          
                  
            1:01:50
          
          
            Turing test for this AGI is can
you have any type of AGI machine
          
                  
            1:01:57
          
          
            create an audio file that that
replicates President Trump? And
          
                  
            1:02:04
          
          
            I said, No one can do it cannot
be done. Yeah. And we
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: got it. We got a
copy of one from one of our
          
                  
            1:02:11
          
          
            producers and he won't say where
it came from.
          
                  
            1:02:14
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, listen to this
genius one.
          
                  
            1:02:16
          
          
            Unknown: I hear good things
about Adam curry. Nice guy. Good
          
                  
            1:02:19
          
          
            guy created podcasts. Wonderful
thing. He's a funny guy. But his
          
                  
            1:02:24
          
          
            co host, John C. Dvorak is
funnier. No,
          
                  
            1:02:26
          
          
            Adam Curry: this is not even
close. You think this was good?
          
                  
            1:02:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: They got to
cadence down a little bit at the
          
                  
            1:02:34
          
          
            beginning, very little bit, but
a little bit and the rest, but
          
                  
            1:02:39
          
          
            it falls apart. At the end.
We're just going to sound like
          
                  
            1:02:41
          
          
            the same guy. The beginning guy
doesn't suddenly forget the end.
          
                  
            1:02:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: But it's also it's
not how he sounds. It's what
          
                  
            1:02:47
          
          
            he's saying. Trump would never
say this.
          
                  
            1:02:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, there's
always going to be the case.
          
                  
            1:02:52
          
          
            Thank you. I don't know if
anybody can find this. But
          
                  
            1:02:55
          
          
            somebody did send a copy to me,
which is Jamie Foxx.
          
                  
            1:03:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah, I didn't even
want to play that. It was so
          
                  
            1:03:04
          
          
            bad.
          
                  
            1:03:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, I thought
it was interesting. I thought it
          
                  
            1:03:07
          
          
            was good. Really? And I thought
what was interesting is he's the
          
                  
            1:03:11
          
          
            only guy I've heard so far that
does both this the quiet Trump
          
                  
            1:03:16
          
          
            and the yelling Trump. Okay,
well, I'd have as he does the
          
                  
            1:03:20
          
          
            yelling Trump at the end. Even
though the the mic it down so
          
                  
            1:03:23
          
          
            you can barely hear it. But that
yelling Trump I think is the
          
                  
            1:03:26
          
          
            harder Trump to do. She was just
too long to play. It's pretty
          
                  
            1:03:32
          
          
            long.
          
                  
            1:03:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah,
          
                  
            1:03:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I hear that
people go look it up.
          
                  
            1:03:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: I can just play a
little bit of a just so you can
          
                  
            1:03:39
          
          
            hear and it works for like a
little bit. Just but it remember
          
                  
            1:03:44
          
          
            you have to sustain this. And
has to be the type of jokes you
          
                  
            1:03:47
          
          
            would make. It has to be the
cadence you would have. I mean,
          
                  
            1:03:51
          
          
            nothing is like okay, yeah,
right. I mean, people can
          
                  
            1:03:53
          
          
            impersonate I'm sure lots of
stuff sounded great.
          
                  
            1:03:59
          
          
            Unknown: I know area he's a
great person. He couldn't vote
          
                  
            1:04:02
          
          
            for me at the time. Now they can
vote to me once he gets out. I
          
                  
            1:04:05
          
          
            love Snoop D O double check
brake pads. So do you love them?
          
                  
            1:04:09
          
          
            I love Excuse me, excuse me.
          
                  
            1:04:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: That's what
comedians will use the always an
          
                  
            1:04:15
          
          
            actor's will use something they
can replicate with Excuse me,
          
                  
            1:04:18
          
          
            excuse me. Almost anybody can do
it now but there's no AI This is
          
                  
            1:04:22
          
          
            Jamie Foxx is not AI. I never
said it was a no I know. I'm
          
                  
            1:04:27
          
          
            just saying that until someone
fools me with a Donald Trump
          
                  
            1:04:32
          
          
            audio bite doesn't have to be
video even. It's not there.
          
                  
            1:04:37
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, we're
waiting.
          
                  
            1:04:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: Are you all in on
this? You believe this stuff is?
          
                  
            1:04:42
          
          
            I mean, I thought we agreed that
this is bunk.
          
                  
            1:04:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Expense never
said that. It was bunk guys.
          
                  
            1:04:48
          
          
            We're talking about trying to
copy somebody's voice. I think
          
                  
            1:04:51
          
          
            that I said that overtime. I
think it can be accomplished.
          
                  
            1:04:54
          
          
            You might be right about the
content might never be what the
          
                  
            1:04:57
          
          
            person would do, but that's
always going to be The case?
          
                  
            1:05:00
          
          
            Well, that's the idea. The idea
is to duplicate somebody's voice
          
                  
            1:05:04
          
          
            so perfectly, and the content
would be something that would
          
                  
            1:05:07
          
          
            get started World war three. So
that content is still the issue.
          
                  
            1:05:11
          
          
            Yeah,
          
                  
            1:05:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: exactly. So that's
why I'm saying AI AGI is just
          
                  
            1:05:15
          
          
            not going to happen. It's not
going to world AGI. Okay, you'll
          
                  
            1:05:20
          
          
            hear it everywhere. Yeah.
          
                  
            1:05:23
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, you don't
hear it in this report. And this
          
                  
            1:05:25
          
          
            is the this is the AI meta one.
We start with these clips. And
          
                  
            1:05:32
          
          
            then there's a lot. There's
12356 clips here, but not all of
          
                  
            1:05:37
          
          
            them are very long. Let's go
with this.
          
                  
            1:05:40
          
          
            Unknown: Facebook parents
company Mehta released a new
          
                  
            1:05:42
          
          
            artificial intelligence model
today. It's called the segment
          
                  
            1:05:46
          
          
            anything Model or SAM. It can
pick out objects and outline
          
                  
            1:05:50
          
          
            them in images and videos, can
also pick out items outside of
          
                  
            1:05:55
          
          
            its training. Objects can be
selected by clicking on them or
          
                  
            1:05:58
          
          
            writing a text prompt. In one
demonstration, writing the word
          
                  
            1:06:02
          
          
            cat prompted the tool to draw
boxes around each of several
          
                  
            1:06:06
          
          
            cats in a photo chief executives
Mark Zuckerberg that
          
                  
            1:06:10
          
          
            incorporating generative AI is a
priority for the company this
          
                  
            1:06:13
          
          
            year.
          
                  
            1:06:14
          
          
            Adam Curry: Did he say
generative AI? Yeah, that's
          
                  
            1:06:16
          
          
            John C Dvorak: what he said.
Interesting now. Now, okay, this
          
                  
            1:06:20
          
          
            is the premise of these clips,
meta has determined that if you
          
                  
            1:06:26
          
          
            could draw a box around a cat
and call it a cat, it could find
          
                  
            1:06:29
          
          
            other cats in a picture. All
right. Now, I don't know that
          
                  
            1:06:33
          
          
            this is that new. But they think
it's a big deal. So they're
          
                  
            1:06:38
          
          
            bringing, they're gonna bring a
guy on to talk about this. And
          
                  
            1:06:40
          
          
            this is one of those guys. And
I'll use the phrase again, who
          
                  
            1:06:43
          
          
            talks through his hat, he you
know, has all the buzzwords and
          
                  
            1:06:47
          
          
            he makes it sound like he knows
what he's talking about. He
          
                  
            1:06:49
          
          
            doesn't know what's going on. He
doesn't have a clue. But he
          
                  
            1:06:52
          
          
            can't really you know, indicate
that and actually say, I don't
          
                  
            1:06:56
          
          
            know, it seems like bullshit to
me. Can't say that. So let's go
          
                  
            1:06:59
          
          
            and we'll catch up with him in a
second is part two.
          
                  
            1:07:02
          
          
            Unknown: Joining me now is Jake
may Mar VP of innovation, that
          
                  
            1:07:05
          
          
            glimpse group. Now this new meta
AI model, it can identify
          
                  
            1:07:10
          
          
            objects in an image. What is the
significance here?
          
                  
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            Well, the biggest value is you
can search any image, any video,
          
                  
            1:07:20
          
          
            any sort of spatial place. And
the reason why that's valuable
          
                  
            1:07:24
          
          
            is just imagine, you know,
you're just like, looking at an
          
                  
            1:07:28
          
          
            image. And of course, you can
see cats and you're like, Okay,
          
                  
            1:07:31
          
          
            well, how is that valuable?
Because I do XR, I do. VR and AR
          
                  
            1:07:38
          
          
            enterprise solutions. The reason
why this is so valuable to me
          
                  
            1:07:42
          
          
            is, if I have a headset, and I'm
looking around, it will
          
                  
            1:07:45
          
          
            automatically know what those
objects are. So it will know
          
                  
            1:07:48
          
          
            that's a phone, it will know
that the computer will know
          
                  
            1:07:50
          
          
            that's a chair, and because it
knows that there's all these
          
                  
            1:07:54
          
          
            sort of rules that were
automatically be associated with
          
                  
            1:07:57
          
          
            it. So if it's a doughnut, I
know I can eat it. If it's a
          
                  
            1:08:02
          
          
            phone, it will actually have
data on it. And if it's my
          
                  
            1:08:05
          
          
            phone, it will actually have my
data on it. So there's all these
          
                  
            1:08:09
          
          
            ways that it's going to be
basically creating a very
          
                  
            1:08:13
          
          
            frictionless experience, where
you're going to be interacting
          
                  
            1:08:19
          
          
            with the virtual world in a very
intuitive way.
          
                  
            1:08:22
          
          
            I see. I wonder if this is just
the beginning. I want to develop
          
                  
            1:08:27
          
          
            into something even further
comment on that.
          
                  
            1:08:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, please
comment? Oh, absolutely.
          
                  
            1:08:32
          
          
            Unknown: I think this is just
the beginning. I think that this
          
                  
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            is the early building blocks of
where this language model was
          
                  
            1:08:39
          
          
            gonna go. Right now they're
talking about images. Now.
          
                  
            1:08:43
          
          
            Really, I think that the real
use cases is spatial. And if you
          
                  
            1:08:48
          
          
            can identify objects in space,
both both with AR so when
          
                  
            1:08:53
          
          
            physical space and then also in
virtual space, you can assign
          
                  
            1:08:57
          
          
            value to those objects.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: All right, may I
just explain what's going on
          
                  
            1:09:01
          
          
            here?
          
                  
            1:09:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Besides the total
bull crap, and I wanted to
          
                  
            1:09:05
          
          
            before you explain, I want to
mention something for everyone
          
                  
            1:09:07
          
          
            out there. When anyone says as
the way you pronounce it, when
          
                  
            1:09:11
          
          
            anyone says because in this
exaggerated form, you know, that
          
                  
            1:09:17
          
          
            is that is a tell for I'm full
of shit,
          
                  
            1:09:20
          
          
            Adam Curry: correct? Correct. So
the Glympse group, which is a
          
                  
            1:09:25
          
          
            publicly listed company, I know
exactly what they do. Because a
          
                  
            1:09:29
          
          
            guy who I know pretty well I
would say is almost a friend
          
                  
            1:09:31
          
          
            Joe, you toy. He has a company
that does this. He does it with
          
                  
            1:09:35
          
          
            people in the Philippines. He
gives them an app and all day
          
                  
            1:09:38
          
          
            long. All they do is look at
pictures. And the picture shows
          
                  
            1:09:42
          
          
            you a car and they do car and
then they get a micro payment.
          
                  
            1:09:46
          
          
            Or the question may be is there
a man in this picture and
          
                  
            1:09:50
          
          
            they'll show an image of a ring
cam and there's you know, maybe
          
                  
            1:09:53
          
          
            there's a dog, no dog and they
get a little micro payment and
          
                  
            1:09:57
          
          
            they do that all day long. Most
of this work of course is done
          
                  
            1:09:59
          
          
            in a India and these companies
train the large language model
          
                  
            1:10:05
          
          
            all day long. That's what this
is. And it won't be perfected
          
                  
            1:10:10
          
          
            until the all these Indians die.
They just have to keep doing it
          
                  
            1:10:14
          
          
            forever this this is the
training that they're doing this
          
                  
            1:10:17
          
          
            is this is the the incredible
smart work that this a G AI
          
                  
            1:10:22
          
          
            which you said which I think is
very funny pronounced gay. I
          
                  
            1:10:25
          
          
            think it's very interesting the
G AI that that they're training
          
                  
            1:10:30
          
          
            and this is Oh, and they can
recognize models. Why don't you
          
                  
            1:10:34
          
          
            just want just give give
everybody a Filipino? Connected
          
                  
            1:10:39
          
          
            connected to your horse? You own
it or don't? Or donut? This is
          
                  
            1:10:43
          
          
            dumb. This is a waste of money.
I hope it
          
                  
            1:10:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: when he talks
about that phone can be his
          
                  
            1:10:50
          
          
            phone and then he knows it'll
have everything on the phone.
          
                  
            1:10:53
          
          
            How would that you have to do
that by hand? i The phone
          
                  
            1:10:57
          
          
            doesn't automatically because
it's identified as your phone
          
                  
            1:10:59
          
          
            become your phone? No. So let's
go to
          
                  
            1:11:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: clip three we're
Luddites. Man, we're nothing but
          
                  
            1:11:06
          
          
            Luddites.
          
                  
            1:11:08
          
          
            Unknown: But it's that's the
starting point. But then you can
          
                  
            1:11:11
          
          
            also use like blockchain to
actually make those objects have
          
                  
            1:11:16
          
          
            a specific value and have a
specific sort of security.
          
                  
            1:11:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: Come on, come on.
Did you extend that? Come on.
          
                  
            1:11:31
          
          
            Yeah, I want to hit the boiling
again too,
          
                  
            1:11:33
          
          
            Unknown: and have a specific
sort of security associated with
          
                  
            1:11:40
          
          
            them. So for instance, if I were
to pick up my phone, it would
          
                  
            1:11:45
          
          
            automatically know this is my
phone this is specifically my
          
                  
            1:11:48
          
          
            phone and I would be able to
access all the information on my
          
                  
            1:11:51
          
          
            phone without having to have
passwords or any sort of
          
                  
            1:11:55
          
          
            identification it just
automatically knows this is my
          
                  
            1:11:58
          
          
            phone and I can immediately
access the information on
          
                  
            1:12:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: oh I'm so happy this
is going to enrich my life it
          
                  
            1:12:05
          
          
            will no this is my phone
          
                  
            1:12:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: and then you
won't need a password for it for
          
                  
            1:12:10
          
          
            some unknown reason when I have
my real phone I haven't need a
          
                  
            1:12:13
          
          
            password I use my finger I don't
need a password on my phony
          
                  
            1:12:16
          
          
            phone lashing blockchain in what
are we talking about here is a
          
                  
            1:12:27
          
          
            Adam Curry: publicly listed
company everybody publicly
          
                  
            1:12:30
          
          
            listed company and its starting
point
          
                  
            1:12:31
          
          
            Unknown: but then you can also
use like blockchain.
          
                  
            1:12:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: Thank you. That
really worked for me.
          
                  
            1:12:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah. Blockchain
with a boy always we're always
          
                  
            1:12:45
          
          
            on where we could I think we're
on the four.
          
                  
            1:12:47
          
          
            Unknown: Yeah. Now is there any
concern that comes with this? As
          
                  
            1:12:50
          
          
            you know, with all new
technology, it always has some
          
                  
            1:12:54
          
          
            worry associated with it.
          
                  
            1:12:56
          
          
            Oh, absolutely. With with all
          
                  
            1:13:00
          
          
            Adam Curry: Absolutely. Any new
technology by Oh yeah. We got to
          
                  
            1:13:04
          
          
            be very worried about every new
technology. paperclip. That's
          
                  
            1:13:07
          
          
            right. That's what we're taking
away. Googler staplers Oh,
          
                  
            1:13:11
          
          
            absolutely.
          
                  
            1:13:11
          
          
            Unknown: With with all new
technologies. Yeah, being able
          
                  
            1:13:15
          
          
            to search an image or a video or
a special location. Yeah, that
          
                  
            1:13:20
          
          
            that definitely. is the cause
for worry in some ways because
          
                  
            1:13:25
          
          
            well now that's information that
we didn't have before. It's it's
          
                  
            1:13:29
          
          
            kind of one of those things it's
like privacy you know, privacy
          
                  
            1:13:32
          
          
            is definitely a concern as this
right now it can identify cats
          
                  
            1:13:36
          
          
            but what if it's a specific cap?
Oh no. Okay, identify people but
          
                  
            1:13:41
          
          
            I don't believe it can identify
specific people well when it can
          
                  
            1:13:45
          
          
            then that's a privacy concern.
          
                  
            1:13:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: But what happened to
the danger I
          
                  
            1:13:50
          
          
            Unknown: see and can this be
combined with other AI models AI
          
                  
            1:13:55
          
          
            programs like chat GPT or mid
journey for example, can all
          
                  
            1:13:59
          
          
            these things work in tandem?
          
                  
            1:14:02
          
          
            Absolutely.
          
                  
            1:14:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, in the middle
of this sequence place I'm
          
                  
            1:14:18
          
          
            crying please tell me you have
more.
          
                  
            1:14:23
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, I got two
more now. One of them wishes and
          
                  
            1:14:26
          
          
            funny. It this is in the middle
of the commentary about can you
          
                  
            1:14:29
          
          
            get jobs out here? Why
          
                  
            1:14:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: would we do four? Oh
no, that was the for that. Well,
          
                  
            1:14:34
          
          
            yeah. It
          
                  
            1:14:34
          
          
            John C Dvorak: was for the
commentaries that you can get if
          
                  
            1:14:41
          
          
            you can get an AI job out here
now today. Yeah. And I think JC
          
                  
            1:14:45
          
          
            who has done work in this area
is probably going to end up
          
                  
            1:14:48
          
          
            doing this. Maybe not. You can
get like 500 grand.
          
                  
            1:14:53
          
          
            Adam Curry: I told you that
that's what they're they're
          
                  
            1:14:55
          
          
            hiring. me this. Yeah, but I'm
not your son. By the way. I'm
          
                  
            1:14:59
          
          
            your partner. No, but
          
                  
            1:15:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: JC is the one
who's been doing AI stuff and
          
                  
            1:15:04
          
          
            he's the one who could get a job
in AI in Austin. No, here No,
          
                  
            1:15:09
          
          
            I'm good. Or, or it turns out
anywhere. If you listen to this
          
                  
            1:15:14
          
          
            next clip, which is AI jobs,
it's like this thing is so out
          
                  
            1:15:19
          
          
            of control. The whole notion and
you brought it up earlier about
          
                  
            1:15:24
          
          
            this. It's like it's like a fad
that's gone completely off the
          
                  
            1:15:27
          
          
            rails. Listen to this, I spoke
          
                  
            1:15:29
          
          
            Unknown: with HR professional
Ira wolf first take on available
          
                  
            1:15:32
          
          
            jobs in the AI industry,
          
                  
            1:15:34
          
          
            industry such as finance and
banking. A lot of the tech
          
                  
            1:15:39
          
          
            people are moving over to those
roles outside of the tech
          
                  
            1:15:42
          
          
            companies per se, but into
banking and insurance.
          
                  
            1:15:46
          
          
            As you might expect the
information sector dominated.
          
                  
            1:15:49
          
          
            The sector is using AI are quite
diverse. Other fields with top
          
                  
            1:15:53
          
          
            percentages included
manufacturing, agriculture,
          
                  
            1:15:56
          
          
            forestry, fishing and hunting
          
                  
            1:15:58
          
          
            and pricing one's agriculture
fishing.
          
                  
            1:16:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: Don't tell Joe Rogan
he won't be able to elk hunt
          
                  
            1:16:06
          
          
            with his bow and arrow anymore.
Oh no.
          
                  
            1:16:08
          
          
            Unknown: manufacturing,
agriculture, forestry, fishing
          
                  
            1:16:11
          
          
            and hunting
          
                  
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            and some surprising ones
agriculture, fishing, and
          
                  
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            hunting. About 1.6% of jobs
education was one and a half
          
                  
            1:16:21
          
          
            percent management.
          
                  
            1:16:23
          
          
            Looking at location, California
posted the most AI related jobs
          
                  
            1:16:27
          
          
            with over 140,000 followed by
Texas in New York.
          
                  
            1:16:31
          
          
            So a lot of the people from
tech, although they may be
          
                  
            1:16:34
          
          
            leaving the, you know, again,
the apples, Google's meadows of
          
                  
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            the world, certainly have a lot
of other opportunities that are
          
                  
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            out there.
          
                  
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            opportunities that will
hopefully increase as AI
          
                  
            1:16:46
          
          
            technology continues to develop.
Okay,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I want to say
something I want you to pass it
          
                  
            1:16:50
          
          
            on to buzzkill Jr, for me. A
friend of mine who I met through
          
                  
            1:16:55
          
          
            the show, a good friend of mine
that means we've had dinner each
          
                  
            1:16:59
          
          
            other's house and we've had
we've broken bread together so a
          
                  
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            real friend,
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: right my rule of
friends being a friend Yeah,
          
                  
            1:17:04
          
          
            real friend.
          
                  
            1:17:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: He used to work at
Apple special projects. This is
          
                  
            1:17:09
          
          
            the group that that actually the
Apple Watch came out of this
          
                  
            1:17:13
          
          
            group and they were working and
they continue to work on the
          
                  
            1:17:15
          
          
            Apple car it's real and he
doesn't believe the Apple car
          
                  
            1:17:19
          
          
            will be he says in our lifetime
yes but probably not for another
          
                  
            1:17:23
          
          
            eight to 10 years at least. He
says when when that when Tesla
          
                  
            1:17:28
          
          
            started a job and Apple decided
there was a special projects
          
                  
            1:17:32
          
          
            group was going to go and and do
cars he says we were giving
          
                  
            1:17:36
          
          
            people a million dollar signing
bonus a million dollar a year
          
                  
            1:17:40
          
          
            salary he said anything it took
to get the right people tell
          
                  
            1:17:44
          
          
            buzzkill Jr to go man, go go go
and demand it say look, I really
          
                  
            1:17:50
          
          
            need a hook I need a $5 million
signing bonus and 1,000,005 a
          
                  
            1:17:54
          
          
            year and and unrestricted sock
they would give them
          
                  
            1:17:57
          
          
            unrestricted stock. So
          
                  
            1:18:01
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm going to clip
this and send it to him good
          
                  
            1:18:03
          
          
            Adam Curry: because I mean that
I think we're at that type of
          
                  
            1:18:06
          
          
            level again.
          
                  
            1:18:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Ya know, when
these moments happen, they're
          
                  
            1:18:10
          
          
            they're short lived because
people get a clue. You got to
          
                  
            1:18:13
          
          
            hurry. Yeah, but yeah, you got
to get in and get in and get
          
                  
            1:18:16
          
          
            out. Okay, now, this is the last
clip of this AI series. And this
          
                  
            1:18:21
          
          
            is the final This is the old
brother clip in the
          
                  
            1:18:23
          
          
            Unknown: future the world may be
filled with hostile AI systems.
          
                  
            1:18:27
          
          
            This is according to a paper by
the Center for AI safety. Its
          
                  
            1:18:31
          
          
            director Dan Hendricks says even
if some developers build
          
                  
            1:18:35
          
          
            altruistic AIS, there will still
be those who build less
          
                  
            1:18:40
          
          
            altruistic AIS, Hendricks says
the less altruistic ones will
          
                  
            1:18:44
          
          
            out compete the altruistic ones.
Now, think about this in the
          
                  
            1:18:48
          
          
            business world. A lot of
corporations that put profit
          
                  
            1:18:52
          
          
            above everything else could use
AI wrongfully they could have AI
          
                  
            1:18:57
          
          
            systems helped make profit in
ways that may or may not be
          
                  
            1:19:00
          
          
            legal. Hendricks believes less
moral AI systems will perform
          
                  
            1:19:04
          
          
            better and may therefore in the
future have filled the world.
          
                  
            1:19:08
          
          
            Worse yet he believes they could
even make ce o level decisions
          
                  
            1:19:12
          
          
            without any oversight. Dan
Hendricks has a PhD in AI from
          
                  
            1:19:16
          
          
            UC Berkeley, he developed a key
part of the deep learning model,
          
                  
            1:19:20
          
          
            and he's been researching AI for
the past seven years. So we
          
                  
            1:19:24
          
          
            asked Hendricks why he thinks
this is he told us that the
          
                  
            1:19:28
          
          
            current AI race is reckless.
          
                  
            1:19:31
          
          
            The current AI arms race isn't
prioritizing safety. They're
          
                  
            1:19:34
          
          
            largely prioritizing just making
the most powerful products as
          
                  
            1:19:38
          
          
            possible and trying to position
themselves to automate as many
          
                  
            1:19:42
          
          
            jobs as possible. Safety is a
secondary consideration. So
          
                  
            1:19:47
          
          
            without the public raising their
voice about these sorts of
          
                  
            1:19:49
          
          
            concerns, I find it I find it so
unlikely that they're going to
          
                  
            1:19:53
          
          
            stop by their own devices.
          
                  
            1:19:55
          
          
            Hendricks says companies are
locked into survival of the
          
                  
            1:19:58
          
          
            fittest environment. The ones
Yeah, played safe when it comes
          
                  
            1:20:01
          
          
            to AI will lose the race.
          
                  
            1:20:03
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, so it's
actually a good clip because he
          
                  
            1:20:06
          
          
            talks about the race he talks
about all the problems and this
          
                  
            1:20:10
          
          
            this group center for AI safety
it's safe.ai know you found it
          
                  
            1:20:18
          
          
            Oh yeah, I'm um I don't see any
names because why would you ever
          
                  
            1:20:22
          
          
            put your name on this? But I do
see what are some of the
          
                  
            1:20:27
          
          
            societal scale risks that see A
I S is worried about I will
          
                  
            1:20:32
          
          
            quote, AI is application in
warfare can be extremely
          
                  
            1:20:36
          
          
            harmful. with machine learning,
enhanced aerial combat, and AI
          
                  
            1:20:41
          
          
            powered. This is a sales tool.
By the way, we
          
                  
            1:20:44
          
          
            John C Dvorak: saw this by the
way and Robocop but the
          
                  
            1:20:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: AI powered drug
discovery tools potentially
          
                  
            1:20:51
          
          
            being used for developing
chemical weapons, do these
          
                  
            1:20:55
          
          
            people are selling to the
military industrial complex,
          
                  
            1:20:57
          
          
            this is not considered
dangerous, this is considered
          
                  
            1:20:59
          
          
            considered a sales call. Cis is
also concerned about other risks
          
                  
            1:21:03
          
          
            including increased inequality
all due to AI related power
          
                  
            1:21:08
          
          
            imbalances, the spread of
misinformation and power seeking
          
                  
            1:21:12
          
          
            behavior. Well, everybody wants
this. Ah, okay. So let me get
          
                  
            1:21:19
          
          
            one of these jump folks. One of
these, one of these, these AI
          
                  
            1:21:24
          
          
            fraidy cats, the one of the
people who wrote the open letter
          
                  
            1:21:29
          
          
            from an open letter that Elon
          
                  
            1:21:30
          
          
            Unknown: signed at open.
          
                  
            1:21:33
          
          
            Adam Curry: Andrew Yang, this is
a lot easier, Shlomo Youdao ski
          
                  
            1:21:39
          
          
            Realizer he like I think a laser
Shlomo Youdao ski, American
          
                  
            1:21:43
          
          
            writer on decision theory and
ethics best known for
          
                  
            1:21:47
          
          
            popularizing ideas related to
friendly artificial
          
                  
            1:21:49
          
          
            intelligence. He is co founder
and research fellow at the
          
                  
            1:21:54
          
          
            Machine Intelligence Research
Institute, a private research
          
                  
            1:21:57
          
          
            nonprofit based in Berkeley,
California right up the road
          
                  
            1:22:00
          
          
            from you. His work on the
prospect of a runaway
          
                  
            1:22:03
          
          
            intelligence explosion.
Influence philosopher Nick
          
                  
            1:22:06
          
          
            Bostrom 2014 book super
intelligence path dangers and
          
                  
            1:22:11
          
          
            strategies we are dumb first of
all, we are dumb You and me are
          
                  
            1:22:15
          
          
            stupid. I mean, we could be
making we could have been doing
          
                  
            1:22:18
          
          
            this a year ago this would have
been the exit strategy of all
          
                  
            1:22:21
          
          
            exit strategies
          
                  
            1:22:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I to be honest
about I don't think so. And I'll
          
                  
            1:22:25
          
          
            tell you why. Unless we were
getting that five that million
          
                  
            1:22:27
          
          
            dollar bonus but for that kind
of thing those books don't sell
          
                  
            1:22:31
          
          
            nobody cares about this crap you
don't need that book probably
          
                  
            1:22:34
          
          
            sold three copies but and you
know, okay, put together some
          
                  
            1:22:38
          
          
            some phony baloney foundation
Institute whatever it is you we
          
                  
            1:22:42
          
          
            could do that too. Yes, but who
wants that? daggone
          
                  
            1:22:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: Military Industrial
Complex wants consultants. This
          
                  
            1:22:48
          
          
            by the way, love him has rom
bloom written all over it. So
          
                  
            1:22:53
          
          
            now listen to the same, the same
Youdao ski character on what
          
                  
            1:22:58
          
          
            many deemed to be one of the
most intelligent podcasts ever
          
                  
            1:23:02
          
          
            created by MIT? Super smart
Professor dude, Lex Friedman.
          
                  
            1:23:10
          
          
            You've seen this he looks like
one of the men in black. He
          
                  
            1:23:13
          
          
            wears black black black you've
seen as usual? Yeah. Very smart
          
                  
            1:23:18
          
          
            guy. Just talk so smart. And
he's interviewing this guy have
          
                  
            1:23:23
          
          
            a clip. And, and this guy looks
like he has a hat. He's got a
          
                  
            1:23:28
          
          
            gun, which which is you know,
just flopping over. He looks
          
                  
            1:23:31
          
          
            like a who's your comic book
friend?
          
                  
            1:23:34
          
          
            John C Dvorak: A comic book
friend.
          
                  
            1:23:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yeah. If you would
collect comic books.
          
                  
            1:23:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: You're not
tempted to succeed the Simpsons
          
                  
            1:23:41
          
          
            guy
          
                  
            1:23:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: agnostic but no, no,
he does a podcast. He was
          
                  
            1:23:45
          
          
            hanging Oh, Andy and not co
Leonardo there. He looks a bit
          
                  
            1:23:48
          
          
            like Andy a knocko. Okay,
especially with the hat. Now
          
                  
            1:23:52
          
          
            listen to him. This man, this
man is smart. Because he if he
          
                  
            1:23:57
          
          
            plays his cards, right? He could
make $100 million consulting for
          
                  
            1:24:01
          
          
            people.
          
                  
            1:24:02
          
          
            Unknown: I had a conversation
with Sam Altman. We'll return to
          
                  
            1:24:06
          
          
            this topic a few times.
          
                  
            1:24:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: And just a reminder,
Sam Altman is the you know, is
          
                  
            1:24:11
          
          
            that punk who runs open AI chat
GPG. Of course, we have jet GPT
          
                  
            1:24:16
          
          
            for now, which at all? This is
the one this is the one that's
          
                  
            1:24:19
          
          
            going to kill us
          
                  
            1:24:19
          
          
            Unknown: keep turning the
question to me of how open
          
                  
            1:24:24
          
          
            should open AI be about GPT.
Four was you open source the
          
                  
            1:24:28
          
          
            code he asked me because I
provided as criticism saying
          
                  
            1:24:32
          
          
            that. While I do appreciate
transparency, opening, I could
          
                  
            1:24:36
          
          
            be more open. And he says we
struggle with this question.
          
                  
            1:24:39
          
          
            What would you do?
          
                  
            1:24:41
          
          
            change their name to closed AI?
And, like, sell GPT for to
          
                  
            1:24:48
          
          
            business back end applications
that don't expose it to
          
                  
            1:24:53
          
          
            consumers and venture
capitalists and create a ton of
          
                  
            1:24:55
          
          
            hype and like pour a bunch of
new funding into the area. But I
          
                  
            1:24:59
          
          
            don't feel like now I think
others will do it, eventually,
          
                  
            1:25:03
          
          
            you shouldn't do it first. Like,
if you if you already have giant
          
                  
            1:25:07
          
          
            nuclear stockpiles don't tell
more. If some other country
          
                  
            1:25:10
          
          
            starts building a larger nuclear
stockpile, then sure build, then
          
                  
            1:25:14
          
          
            you know, even then maybe just
have enough nukes, you know,
          
                  
            1:25:18
          
          
            these things are not quite like
nuclear weapons, they spit out
          
                  
            1:25:22
          
          
            gold until they get large enough
and then ignite the atmosphere
          
                  
            1:25:24
          
          
            and kill everybody. And there
are some things to be said for
          
                  
            1:25:31
          
          
            not destroying the world with
your own hands, even if you
          
                  
            1:25:34
          
          
            can't stop somebody else from
doing it. But But open sourcing
          
                  
            1:25:37
          
          
            and now that that's just sheer
catastrophe. The whole notion of
          
                  
            1:25:41
          
          
            open sourcing, this was always
the wrong approach the wrong
          
                  
            1:25:43
          
          
            ideal. There are there are
places in the world where open
          
                  
            1:25:47
          
          
            source is a noble ideal. And
building stuff you don't
          
                  
            1:25:53
          
          
            understand that is difficult to
control that where if you could
          
                  
            1:25:56
          
          
            align it, it would take time,
you'd have to spend a bunch of
          
                  
            1:26:00
          
          
            time doing it. That is that is
not a place for open source,
          
                  
            1:26:04
          
          
            because then you just have like
powerful things that just like
          
                  
            1:26:07
          
          
            go straight out the gate without
anybody having had the time to
          
                  
            1:26:10
          
          
            have them not kill everyone.
          
                  
            1:26:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: These people are
insane.
          
                  
            1:26:16
          
          
            John C Dvorak: And boring.
          
                  
            1:26:19
          
          
            Adam Curry: This is the same.
This is climate change. This is
          
                  
            1:26:22
          
          
            the new climate change hype.
We're gonna have a mediation of
          
                  
            1:26:26
          
          
            committees and of Paris
meetings, we have to have the
          
                  
            1:26:28
          
          
            all the world leaders come
together we have to control ay
          
                  
            1:26:32
          
          
            ay, because it's junk heads. A
Pierre Pierre, expand the Cylon,
          
                  
            1:26:38
          
          
            we're coming. This is insane.
I'm sorry. I've seen this. I've
          
                  
            1:26:43
          
          
            seen this movie before. I've
heard all the warnings. I mean,
          
                  
            1:26:47
          
          
            this is please, John, you've
been around long enough tell
          
                  
            1:26:50
          
          
            everybody this crap,
          
                  
            1:26:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: right. Like I
said, we got a letter from
          
                  
            1:26:53
          
          
            somebody I mentioned this on a
Horowitz show, which is we got a
          
                  
            1:26:58
          
          
            letter from someone in one of
our women producers. And she's
          
                  
            1:27:02
          
          
            mentioned this and I assume she
says, Ah, I forgot all about
          
                  
            1:27:06
          
          
            that. If you recall, the first
iteration of AI was in the 80s.
          
                  
            1:27:12
          
          
            And they had the third
generation fourth generation
          
                  
            1:27:15
          
          
            product project gonna happen in
Japan, they're gonna have some
          
                  
            1:27:18
          
          
            machine, it's gonna run the
world and, and they were
          
                  
            1:27:21
          
          
            throwing money after dime after
dollar into Stanford and
          
                  
            1:27:25
          
          
            McCarthy was there and all the
real ai ai ai, and it was nuts.
          
                  
            1:27:30
          
          
            And then it all collapsed,
because it wasn't producing
          
                  
            1:27:33
          
          
            anything of value. And it was it
was just a joke. And it
          
                  
            1:27:37
          
          
            collapsed to the point where in
the 90s, and I think this was in
          
                  
            1:27:42
          
          
            probably the mid to late 90s.
And she pointed this out and I
          
                  
            1:27:45
          
          
            said I remember this. If you
were a venture cat, if you were
          
                  
            1:27:49
          
          
            a new startup or a venture first
company, you would need venture
          
                  
            1:27:53
          
          
            funding. You could not even say
a i or you wouldn't get a
          
                  
            1:27:59
          
          
            nickel.
          
                  
            1:28:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, it's coming
back. And then the canary one
          
                  
            1:28:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: two years later,
it comes back after the late
          
                  
            1:28:08
          
          
            90s. When if you said AI you
wouldn't get a nickel. Now it's
          
                  
            1:28:12
          
          
            like it Jyotish everybody's
forgotten all the people that
          
                  
            1:28:15
          
          
            remember any of that. In fact, I
had forgotten it until I was
          
                  
            1:28:18
          
          
            reminded in this note about that
little phenomenon that wishes if
          
                  
            1:28:23
          
          
            you said AI you wouldn't get a
nickel. It's now everyone's
          
                  
            1:28:27
          
          
            forgotten it and so let's try
this again people
          
                  
            1:28:30
          
          
            Adam Curry: so the canary in the
coal mine is wet. And thank you,
          
                  
            1:28:33
          
          
            Elon and you ruined my Twitter
because all of a sudden I get
          
                  
            1:28:37
          
          
            tweet after tweet after tweet
from the guy who's all in on it.
          
                  
            1:28:42
          
          
            Please, people do not poke do
not email me pictures of your AI
          
                  
            1:28:46
          
          
            generated output of how smart it
was to answer your your prompt
          
                  
            1:28:50
          
          
            engineering, puking. Who who
could be the canary that what
          
                  
            1:28:55
          
          
            what Silicon Valley Tech?
Influencer, if you can call it
          
                  
            1:29:01
          
          
            that, who would be the one to
show that we are at peak AI
          
                  
            1:29:06
          
          
            hype?
          
                  
            1:29:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Those under Marc
Andreessen, there's a million of
          
                  
            1:29:11
          
          
            them. Robert Scoble. Oh, SCO
WASC Yeah. And so it is global
          
                  
            1:29:18
          
          
            say,
          
                  
            1:29:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, he posts his
article. Listen, this building
          
                  
            1:29:22
          
          
            God, the rise of AI is the new
divine. Now, building God 1.0
          
                  
            1:29:29
          
          
            That was religion. But then we
had God 2.0 That was the search
          
                  
            1:29:33
          
          
            engines saved. That was Google.
That was God. 2.0 And God
          
                  
            1:29:38
          
          
            building God 3.0 is artificial
intelligence. Yes. And with
          
                  
            1:29:43
          
          
            this, we will be able to control
God to control God and to build
          
                  
            1:29:49
          
          
            God in our image. I love this.
You can and it's interesting.
          
                  
            1:29:57
          
          
            It's a big a big picture of the
end of stuff. When for some
          
                  
            1:30:00
          
          
            reason Oh, there you go, that
makes nothing but sense. He says
          
                  
            1:30:03
          
          
            human leaders have created their
own religions, often leading to
          
                  
            1:30:06
          
          
            great human suffering picture
Joseph Stalin. So they're going
          
                  
            1:30:11
          
          
            all in on this. And I think it's
is as a good, there's a good
          
                  
            1:30:15
          
          
            chance it will bankrupt one or
two or put one two companies in
          
                  
            1:30:19
          
          
            severe distress. Remember that
Google, they had to run all of a
          
                  
            1:30:23
          
          
            sudden that, you know, they're
retooling for AI, when most of
          
                  
            1:30:27
          
          
            the AI projects as far as I
know, it really run on Azure
          
                  
            1:30:31
          
          
            from Microsoft. They're probably
laughing about it. And then
          
                  
            1:30:34
          
          
            Google memory, Google came out
with barf. And the first thing
          
                  
            1:30:37
          
          
            he said was an answer something
wrong, the stock price dropped
          
                  
            1:30:40
          
          
            $80 billion, or some crazy
amount like that. Yeah. So
          
                  
            1:30:44
          
          
            remember that. So these are,
this is just, it's just, it's
          
                  
            1:30:48
          
          
            bullcrap. And we've seen this,
it literally, you've seen this
          
                  
            1:30:52
          
          
            AI thing come around. So it'll
be fun. It'll be fun to see. And
          
                  
            1:30:57
          
          
            it'll be fun to see who goes
bankrupt first, but this will
          
                  
            1:30:59
          
          
            not end well. It's too
expensive, particularly the chat
          
                  
            1:31:03
          
          
            GPT for stuff, whatever it is,
you know, people have to pay for
          
                  
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            it. No one's gonna pay for that
their model their advertising,
          
                  
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            which an in a soft ad market,
you're going to do this. This is
          
                  
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            where you need to be, you know,
to be tightening inventory,
          
                  
            1:31:19
          
          
            maybe you're doing something to
get your CPMs up, you're not
          
                  
            1:31:22
          
          
            supposed to be retooling and
spending all your money on stuff
          
                  
            1:31:25
          
          
            that you can't get advertising
on. Unless I'm crazy. I'm look,
          
                  
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            I'm no business major.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Well, I've said
this before. They have copyright
          
                  
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            issues with this
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: with the I have a
note about that. The please,
          
                  
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            please read this note. Yes, the
note? Well, it's from the
          
                  
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            homeowner. Second, it is from
the copyright, copyright
          
                  
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            registration guidance from the
this is in the Federal Register.
          
                  
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            It's from the US Copyright
Office. And this Copyright
          
                  
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            Office issued this statement to
pop to pop a policy to clarify
          
                  
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            its practices for examining and
registering works that contain
          
                  
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            material generated by the use of
artificial intelligence
          
                  
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            technology. So it doesn't answer
all of what we're talking about.
          
                  
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            But it says very clearly, by law
by by the air. Once its recent
          
                  
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            developers to use of
sophisticated artificial
          
                  
            1:32:25
          
          
            intelligent AI technology is
capable of producing expressive
          
                  
            1:32:28
          
          
            material, these technologies
trained on vast quantities of
          
                  
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            pre existing human authored
works and use in inferences from
          
                  
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            training to generate new
generate new content. What they
          
                  
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            say is only a human being can
get a copyright, no machine is
          
                  
            1:32:45
          
          
            by law allowed to get a to take
out a copyright on anything.
          
                  
            1:32:50
          
          
            That's not exactly exactly
answering our question. But they
          
                  
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            are saying no, you cannot
register a copyright with
          
                  
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            anything generated by a machine.
It has to be human.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Wow, Joe, that I
didn't know I was more going
          
                  
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            along the lines of the of the
liability issues, which I think
          
                  
            1:33:08
          
          
            and I'm not absolutely sure. But
it's either getty images or one
          
                  
            1:33:12
          
          
            of these other big companies who
are Rusi with this coming down
          
                  
            1:33:16
          
          
            the road because they're not
stupid, are already suing people
          
                  
            1:33:20
          
          
            for stealing their images and
then incorporating them into
          
                  
            1:33:24
          
          
            other images in a way that
violates copyright. This is the
          
                  
            1:33:29
          
          
            legal issues here are profound,
          
                  
            1:33:32
          
          
            Adam Curry: it's better time to
become a lawyer. In the offices
          
                  
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            view, it is well established
that copyright could protect
          
                  
            1:33:37
          
          
            only material that is the
product of human creativity.
          
                  
            1:33:40
          
          
            Most fundamentally the term
author, which is used in both
          
                  
            1:33:42
          
          
            the Constitution and the
Copyright Act excludes Non
          
                  
            1:33:45
          
          
            Humans. The offices registration
policies and regulations reflect
          
                  
            1:33:49
          
          
            statutory and judicial guidance
on this issue. And then they go
          
                  
            1:33:52
          
          
            into burrow Giles, lithography
company versus ceremony, where a
          
                  
            1:33:58
          
          
            defendant accused of making
unauthorized copies of a
          
                  
            1:33:59
          
          
            photograph argued the expansion
of copyright protection to
          
                  
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            photographs. And Congress had no
a photograph is made by a
          
                  
            1:34:06
          
          
            camera. I mean, that's that's
how far they go with this. So
          
                  
            1:34:10
          
          
            no, well, that photograph thing
has been reversed. Well, they
          
                  
            1:34:14
          
          
            don't say so in their, in their,
in their brief photographs
          
                  
            1:34:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: are copyrighted
because they're taken by a
          
                  
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            human. Just because the camera
was an intermediary doesn't mean
          
                  
            1:34:24
          
          
            that if you write a novel than
us again, I don't think you
          
                  
            1:34:27
          
          
            can't copyright it because a pen
was bald, or a typewriter or a
          
                  
            1:34:30
          
          
            computer. I
          
                  
            1:34:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: hear you I don't
think either of us are qualified
          
                  
            1:34:33
          
          
            without reading all of this to
understand what
          
                  
            1:34:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I'm talking about
qualified enough.
          
                  
            1:34:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think we're both
qualified to know enough that
          
                  
            1:34:41
          
          
            this AI is BS. But it'll be fun
to watch people freak out over
          
                  
            1:34:48
          
          
            because we're all going to die.
And with that, I'd like to thank
          
                  
            1:34:51
          
          
            you for your courage in the
morning to you the man who put
          
                  
            1:34:53
          
          
            three C's in the bricks
currency, please say hello to my
          
                  
            1:34:57
          
          
            friend on the other end. Ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Johnson
          
                  
            1:35:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well in the
morning to you, Mr. Adam curry
          
                  
            1:35:04
          
          
            also in the morning all ships at
sea boots on the ground feet in
          
                  
            1:35:07
          
          
            the air subs in the water and
all the games and nights out
          
                  
            1:35:10
          
          
            there in the morning
          
                  
            1:35:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: to the trolls and
the troll room. We've had pretty
          
                  
            1:35:12
          
          
            good attendance recently. Let's
          
                  
            1:35:15
          
          
            Unknown: see how many of you are
hanging out here
          
                  
            1:35:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: for Thursday 1963.
So we're close to our 2000
          
                  
            1:35:21
          
          
            number that's above our 1800. So
I think we're doing better every
          
                  
            1:35:25
          
          
            single every single time.
          
                  
            1:35:27
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I thought last
Thursday, we had 2000
          
                  
            1:35:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, I think we had
way above that on Sunday. I
          
                  
            1:35:31
          
          
            John C Dvorak: don't know if we
had two Nanos Sunday was 24 I'm
          
                  
            1:35:34
          
          
            not sure I think last Thursday
was 2000. And it was because of
          
                  
            1:35:38
          
          
            the talk about Trump or
something.
          
                  
            1:35:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, we got to
talk about that too.
          
                  
            1:35:43
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I forgot Trump.
          
                  
            1:35:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: This well, not about
Trump about the media. That's
          
                  
            1:35:47
          
          
            the funny thing. We got to
deconstruct some of the insanity
          
                  
            1:35:50
          
          
            that was going on for sure. That
is the troll room you can follow
          
                  
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            along listen to no agenda
stream.com it's global, you can
          
                  
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            check it out, control room.io
That'll give you right there is
          
                  
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            a little chat widget you can log
into the troll room, you can
          
                  
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            listen to those stream live, or
we recommend getting one of
          
                  
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podcast apps.com Drop your
          
                  
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            right into it. We suggest the
pod verse is a great one because
          
                  
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            it's it works really well it'll
alert you when the bat signal is
          
                  
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            sent you pop it open, we're
there right where you get your
          
                  
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            no agenda podcast. And you can
listen live and and of course we
          
                  
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            we have the troll room
integrated in that. And also you
          
                  
            1:36:30
          
          
            can use that for for some of the
other features. We have like
          
                  
            1:36:34
          
          
            transcripts. This is just
amazing, really that app apple
          
                  
            1:36:38
          
          
            and Spotify don't have
transcripts. And that's the one
          
                  
            1:36:41
          
          
            of the first things we put into
podcast in 2.0 for you know, the
          
                  
            1:36:45
          
          
            disabled it's there's it's
actually a law that you if you
          
                  
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            can you need to put in
transcripts. This is right. But
          
                  
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            of course you know Apple, they
don't care a Spotify, they don't
          
                  
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            care knows Amazon or Google,
they don't care. I'm late to
          
                  
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            disabled but we do. We have we
have deaf people, lots of them.
          
                  
            1:37:04
          
          
            There are there are friends, we
have blind people. But we also
          
                  
            1:37:08
          
          
            have deaf people and they love
reading along with the people
          
                  
            1:37:10
          
          
            who are hard of hearing. And
they love reading along with the
          
                  
            1:37:14
          
          
            transcripts. And that is funny
too, because sometimes the
          
                  
            1:37:16
          
          
            brilliant AI I still cannot
train it to say to write down
          
                  
            1:37:20
          
          
            John C period Dvorak, it comes
out as Jay H en si de vorak. So
          
                  
            1:37:26
          
          
            it's hilarious how it's going to
kill us this AI. Along with that
          
                  
            1:37:31
          
          
            you can always fight Bose. Well,
that's not just a typo. That's a
          
                  
            1:37:34
          
          
            complete missing interpretation.
Of course, you can also follow
          
                  
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            Adam at no agenda social.com or
Mastodon or John C. Dvorak at no
          
                  
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            agenda social.com. I'm also on
noster if you're looking for me,
          
                  
            1:37:49
          
          
            and the cool thing about the
album art is that if you're
          
                  
            1:37:52
          
          
            listening live, you can follow
along at no agenda, art
          
                  
            1:37:55
          
          
            generator.com. And you can see
what the artists are making in
          
                  
            1:37:58
          
          
            real time or later, our very own
dreads, Dred Scott puts it
          
                  
            1:38:01
          
          
            together and puts it into our
chapter, something else you can
          
                  
            1:38:04
          
          
            only get on these modern podcast
apps. And it's really cool to
          
                  
            1:38:07
          
          
            look I think on some, some car
systems will even even they'll
          
                  
            1:38:11
          
          
            show you the art on the
dashboard as it cycles through
          
                  
            1:38:13
          
          
            it. And we want to thank the the
artists, the artists, actually
          
                  
            1:38:18
          
          
            who brought us the artwork for
episode 1543 We titled that
          
                  
            1:38:21
          
          
            buffalo feathers. And this was
this was a funny piece brought
          
                  
            1:38:26
          
          
            to us by Taunton, Neil. It was
the podcast in the can. What was
          
                  
            1:38:32
          
          
            the ken part we were talking
about? We're talking about
          
                  
            1:38:33
          
          
            something on the show. It was
Dawson. Dawson can yes Dawson
          
                  
            1:38:38
          
          
            again. And it was a beautiful
piece. I mean, had a little Jack
          
                  
            1:38:43
          
          
            with with a headphone jack and
little hole to receive the the
          
                  
            1:38:47
          
          
            headphone jack and it's at
podcast. And I mean, it was well
          
                  
            1:38:50
          
          
            done.
          
                  
            1:38:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: conservatively.
It was extremely professional.
          
                  
            1:38:54
          
          
            Yes. Let's
          
                  
            1:38:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: go take a look at an
origin Art Generator. See what
          
                  
            1:38:57
          
          
            else we had that we talked
about. There wasn't
          
                  
            1:38:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: much else there.
That was going to work. A lot of
          
                  
            1:39:05
          
          
            hand cut
          
                  
            1:39:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: costs for 45. Yeah,
a lot of that
          
                  
            1:39:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: in that wasn't
going to happen. No,
          
                  
            1:39:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: they weren't really
funny or great. I mean, Roger
          
                  
            1:39:15
          
          
            Brown, he did an admirable job.
I mean it professional peace
          
                  
            1:39:19
          
          
            with 45 and the handcuffs, but I
don't know it was like, that's
          
                  
            1:39:23
          
          
            the one thing that never
happened either would never was
          
                  
            1:39:26
          
          
            gonna happen.
          
                  
            1:39:29
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, that wasn't
gonna happen. They didn't take a
          
                  
            1:39:31
          
          
            mug shot.
          
                  
            1:39:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: No. And it also kind
of puts makes us too important.
          
                  
            1:39:36
          
          
            You know, with all the stuff
that you just heard in the past
          
                  
            1:39:39
          
          
            hour and a half. I'd say there's
other things going on in your
          
                  
            1:39:42
          
          
            world. Besides this
          
                  
            1:39:44
          
          
            John C Dvorak: media, Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,
          
                  
            1:39:47
          
          
            Trump. That
          
                  
            1:39:49
          
          
            Adam Curry: was good. I'm gonna
have to tag that. There was also
          
                  
            1:39:54
          
          
            every single person that that
was out there at the courthouse.
          
                  
            1:39:58
          
          
            They all had their phone out.
They were all they were all
          
                  
            1:40:01
          
          
            doing YouTube and tic TOCs and
reels and streaming live. And it
          
                  
            1:40:07
          
          
            was it was a media event.
Everybody. I mean, what is this?
          
                  
            1:40:11
          
          
            This is so sad when you see that
happen. There was a fight on
          
                  
            1:40:14
          
          
            Sixth Street in Austin, a pretty
big brawl, and all kinds of
          
                  
            1:40:19
          
          
            people. Black, white, brown,
everyone fighting and pulling
          
                  
            1:40:23
          
          
            each other's wigs and stuff is
not. And what is everyone else
          
                  
            1:40:27
          
          
            doing there? It's sad that no,
we're the people who go and try
          
                  
            1:40:34
          
          
            and stop these things. They're
gone. No people. Oh, I'm gonna
          
                  
            1:40:37
          
          
            get some likes from this. Oh, I
gotta get my phone out. We're
          
                  
            1:40:42
          
          
            doomed as a society. What else
was there? South woke.com. Or
          
                  
            1:40:47
          
          
            you couldn't do better than
South what woke themselves? I
          
                  
            1:40:52
          
          
            think that was kind of it. It
was just it stood out know that
          
                  
            1:40:55
          
          
            we went Okay, that's it. I mean,
drag queen story hour, we're not
          
                  
            1:40:59
          
          
            going to put that on our album
art. We're not going to put drag
          
                  
            1:41:02
          
          
            queens out there. I don't think
it would have to be pretty
          
                  
            1:41:06
          
          
            interesting and funny for us to
be hilarious. Yeah, so I don't
          
                  
            1:41:09
          
          
            think that's gonna happen. Thank
you very much, Tom to Neil. We
          
                  
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            highly appreciate the work that
you've done that all of the
          
                  
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            artists do. It is incredibly
appreciated. No agenda art.
          
                  
            1:41:19
          
          
            generator.com is where you can
where you can see all of these
          
                  
            1:41:22
          
          
            pieces of where people are
already creating stuff. So I see
          
                  
            1:41:26
          
          
            that dog, comic strip blogger,
that dog is AI generated and
          
                  
            1:41:30
          
          
            that dog is never going to go on
our album art's not going to
          
                  
            1:41:33
          
          
            happen. It's all part of our
value for value model. And value
          
                  
            1:41:37
          
          
            from value for value works.
Works pretty simply been doing
          
                  
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            for 15 years. It's a roller
coaster from time to time, but
          
                  
            1:41:44
          
          
            the way it works is we do the
show and you can access listen
          
                  
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            to it for free anytime anywhere.
Spread it around do whatever you
          
                  
            1:41:51
          
          
            want. If you get any kind of
value from if you live What's it
          
                  
            1:41:54
          
          
            what's the life worth? You make?
You know you go to Joe Rogan's
          
                  
            1:41:56
          
          
            club you know pay 20 bucks for
laugh before we had a drink?
          
                  
            1:42:00
          
          
            Well worth it though.
          
                  
            1:42:02
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Except the Shibu
II knew that he did with the
          
                  
            1:42:05
          
          
            with the artificial intelligence
obvious is what he does. Yeah,
          
                  
            1:42:09
          
          
            it there's a dog with no canine
teeth. Kind of artificial
          
                  
            1:42:12
          
          
            intelligence is this
          
                  
            1:42:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: well, AI has a lot
of problems with fingers. And
          
                  
            1:42:17
          
          
            apparently dogs canines, maybe
they'll fix that I'm sure but if
          
                  
            1:42:22
          
          
            someone sent me Oh look, there's
this new thing but But parents
          
                  
            1:42:25
          
          
            can take their kids skydiving
and then you look at all the
          
                  
            1:42:28
          
          
            kids that go wild with their
mouth open you know flying from
          
                  
            1:42:31
          
          
            the pressure jumping out of a
plane with a with a sky jumper
          
                  
            1:42:34
          
          
            and they have six seven fingers
Come on stop insulting.
          
                  
            1:42:38
          
          
            Unknown: insulting me. The most
simple rule
          
                  
            1:42:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: is like hey, I can't
do it for some reason these
          
                  
            1:42:44
          
          
            rules not there. For some reason
they can't get it done. The mid
          
                  
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            journey is the
          
                  
            1:42:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: him mid journey.
Anyway,
          
                  
            1:42:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: so that's the whole
concept you don't have to donate
          
                  
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            for every single show you can
add it up you can donate later
          
                  
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            you could be on and you can if
you want or every week or every
          
                  
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            month and the beauty of it is
you determine what value is you
          
                  
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            determine $5 A month could be a
lot of money to you are just as
          
                  
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            happy with any other donation is
as long as you felt that you
          
                  
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            were returning the same amount
of value God maybe you learned
          
                  
            1:43:16
          
          
            something and maybe you laughed
about this AI nonsense. Maybe
          
                  
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            whatever. Maybe you got a great
idea to create an entire million
          
                  
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So we'd like to thank these
          
                  
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everyone always wants some
          
                  
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            and there's a lot of people
using it, your resume and we
          
                  
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            kick it off by thanking Larry
from Pace Florida who comes in
          
                  
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            with a cool $1,000 Oh, here's a
perfect example. Here's a
          
                  
            1:43:58
          
          
            perfect example. He says Dear
John Adam, I am ashamed to admit
          
                  
            1:44:02
          
          
            I've been listening to no agenda
since the first Joe Rogan
          
                  
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            appearance in 2020 Without
donating after Joe Rogan
          
                  
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            donation after selling my home
two weeks ago, which prop I
          
                  
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            would presume he made some
money. I decided I should use
          
                  
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an instant Knight. I asked for
          
                  
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            the title of Sir up no jingles
but I would like a deed Do
          
                  
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            Unknown: you spend deed deuced
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Danny Says he would
also like a jobs karma to go
          
                  
            1:44:31
          
          
            with that and he says thank you
very much and we thank you this
          
                  
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            is exactly what we asked for
when what I just talked about
          
                  
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            jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: have nexus dribs
Scott who
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: is about him grab
we're talking about good old rip
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: 9635496354456 I
don't know what that means, but
          
                  
            1:44:58
          
          
            I know because I asked him
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Oh, what is it?
That's exactly the amount he
          
                  
            1:45:02
          
          
            needed to become a Duke. Ah,
Archduke I'm sorry,
          
                  
            1:45:06
          
          
            John C Dvorak: practical man.
This donation takes me from Duke
          
                  
            1:45:09
          
          
            to Archduke Dred Scott of this
southern California. megaregion.
          
                  
            1:45:15
          
          
            Happy birthday, John. Thank you.
He goes no Karma Grip, Scott
          
                  
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            3368999.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Yes. Let me tell you
what that is. Even though we
          
                  
            1:45:28
          
          
            don't have the new webpage up, I
did tweet out. The Ibex pay QR
          
                  
            1:45:34
          
          
            code for people to donate with
Bitcoin and drabs. God sent us
          
                  
            1:45:39
          
          
            3,368,999 Satoshis which equals
this at the time 963 dot 54. So
          
                  
            1:45:46
          
          
            there you go. That came in
through a Bitcoin payment.
          
                  
            1:45:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes. Now we
should mention the Bitcoin
          
                  
            1:45:52
          
          
            payment. We don't have wallets.
The Bitcoin payment goes to
          
                  
            1:45:56
          
          
            these guys that we they give us
the cash equivalency
          
                  
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            immediately.
          
                  
            1:45:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes, keep mentioning
that. That's absolutely true.
          
                  
            1:46:03
          
          
            And it's what we agreed on. And
I agree that that is a safe way
          
                  
            1:46:06
          
          
            for us to start.
          
                  
            1:46:08
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, so there's
no inner we're not holding
          
                  
            1:46:11
          
          
            Bitcoin.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Correct, sir. FOD
father is in Indianapolis,
          
                  
            1:46:15
          
          
            Indiana in the morning Gemzar,
fod father here with a donation
          
                  
            1:46:18
          
          
            to help celebrate completing my
75th year on the planet. And
          
                  
            1:46:22
          
          
            John 71st I'm still older than
you you young whippersnapper
          
                  
            1:46:28
          
          
            Happy Birthday, John. Thanks to
both of you. No jingles? No
          
                  
            1:46:31
          
          
            karma. Thank you for your
courage and we thank you, sir.
          
                  
            1:46:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Ashley Slater is
next in Elk River, Minnesota
          
                  
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            nuts in the morning and this is
switcheroo Ashley Slater from
          
                  
            1:46:44
          
          
            Elk River, Minnesota here. This
donation is from our wet meet up
          
                  
            1:46:49
          
          
            last Friday. The 2023 secret spy
balloons symposium I hosted this
          
                  
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            with my husband Ben and friend
Marina. We were happy to see 17
          
                  
            1:46:59
          
          
            Comrades brave the springtime
blizzard conditions to come to
          
                  
            1:47:04
          
          
            our meetup. I made a 33 themed
leather journal for the event
          
                  
            1:47:09
          
          
            and those who donated to the
show are entered for the chance
          
                  
            1:47:12
          
          
            to win it we raise 370 for the
show. The winner of the book was
          
                  
            1:47:16
          
          
            Jody. Sir Knight of the East
side's wife So Jody gets the
          
                  
            1:47:23
          
          
            credit for this particular
donation. Switcheroo.
          
                  
            1:47:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, no, no, it's not
true. It comes after that.
          
                  
            1:47:33
          
          
            John C Dvorak: She was so happy
to receive it. I chose to donate
          
                  
            1:47:36
          
          
            370 on behalf of the future.
Knight Kaladin pedis first name
          
                  
            1:47:41
          
          
            is pronounced Kaladin.
          
                  
            1:47:44
          
          
            Adam Curry: So who So who do we
give it to kaladan
          
                  
            1:47:47
          
          
            John C Dvorak: was was the very
popular we baby who graced our
          
                  
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            presence that night to all of us
came and said hello and
          
                  
            1:47:52
          
          
            everything made it home safely.
Thank you. See you next time.
          
                  
            1:47:55
          
          
            Oh, in a serious question from
Marina, do spooks really attend
          
                  
            1:47:59
          
          
            some meetups? Are they there?
There's usually apps I think
          
                  
            1:48:02
          
          
            probably every meetup just one.
So yes, you had one there. You'd
          
                  
            1:48:05
          
          
            probably knew who it was. As far
as I can tell this says Jody.
          
                  
            1:48:11
          
          
            The winner of the book was Jody
          
                  
            1:48:13
          
          
            Adam Curry: vs. But I chose to
donate the 370 From today on
          
                  
            1:48:19
          
          
            behalf of future Knight Khaled
and pedis. I as far as I'm
          
                  
            1:48:24
          
          
            concerned that the preacher Rue
it which is also highlighted in
          
                  
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            black are my in bold as Jay did
that. Yeah. So Jay agrees with
          
                  
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            me. I would say that this is to
kaladan Okay, all right. Good.
          
                  
            1:48:40
          
          
            And thank you very much Ashley.
For my beautiful because I
          
                  
            1:48:44
          
          
            received my my beautiful leather
notebook with the 33 on it. The
          
                  
            1:48:50
          
          
            one that you we talked about
when she donated
          
                  
            1:48:52
          
          
            John C Dvorak: yes, they can
move a week ago.
          
                  
            1:48:54
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes. And I decided
to use it for my notes for every
          
                  
            1:48:59
          
          
            single podcast I do. So you know
when I write down titles and
          
                  
            1:49:03
          
          
            other stuff, I thought it would
be kind of
          
                  
            1:49:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: last a couple of
months. It's pretty thick last a
          
                  
            1:49:08
          
          
            while you do 56789 10 podcasts a
day.
          
                  
            1:49:14
          
          
            Adam Curry: Sven Granholm and
Hapeville ga 345 dot o five
          
                  
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            okay, happy 71st birthday to
John C 45th. To meet 41st To me,
          
                  
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            sweet 16 to my daughter Isla the
fifth to nice Leona and third to
          
                  
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            bestfriend daughter. l all
basically on the fifth. This
          
                  
            1:49:34
          
          
            literally is the whole note. No
jingles no karma from Thompson
          
                  
            1:49:38
          
          
            main. All right, thank you
swing. Good note.
          
                  
            1:49:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, Sam Onan
Eden Prairie Minnesota 33371. So
          
                  
            1:49:49
          
          
            I assume that's my Happy
Birthday note. And all he does
          
                  
            1:49:53
          
          
            the he wins today with the note
that says thanks.
          
                  
            1:49:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: Good one, by the way
from the PIO box. So I also got
          
                  
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            my area 51 A schwag with my with
a little flying saucer and I
          
                  
            1:50:06
          
          
            also got the Castel Solano did
you get the costal Solana?
          
                  
            1:50:11
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes. Well, I
forgot what it was but yeah, I
          
                  
            1:50:13
          
          
            got some it's beard and
          
                  
            1:50:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: mustache wax but
also well yeah
          
                  
            1:50:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: so ton of it.
Yeah, I forgot a bunch of beard
          
                  
            1:50:19
          
          
            mustache wax which I handed over
to Brennan. Well, you can
          
                  
            1:50:23
          
          
            Adam Curry: also Who's that?
That's Jay's boyfriend. All
          
                  
            1:50:27
          
          
            right. You can also use it on
your skin though after shaving.
          
                  
            1:50:29
          
          
            So I've tried that and it seems
like a fabulous product. Next on
          
                  
            1:50:34
          
          
            the list. We have Matt pain from
Taylor, Wisconsin. Our favorite
          
                  
            1:50:38
          
          
            333 dot 33. In the morning,
gents, Matt here from the Coulee
          
                  
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            Valley area of the dairy capital
of the world, Wisconsin. About a
          
                  
            1:50:45
          
          
            month ago I walked into work
when I slipped on the ice fell
          
                  
            1:50:48
          
          
            to the pavement broke my femur.
Two surgeries later, I'm mostly
          
                  
            1:50:52
          
          
            healed but still bedridden for
another week until I can
          
                  
            1:50:55
          
          
            hopefully put weight on it. This
is not a great note. Things Oh,
          
                  
            1:50:58
          
          
            here we go. Things in
healthcare. No. Well, it's a
          
                  
            1:51:02
          
          
            boots on the ground. Who are
boots in the bed. Things in
          
                  
            1:51:07
          
          
            health care up here are in
crisis. Believe me, brother,
          
                  
            1:51:10
          
          
            it's everywhere. This hospital
fired approximately 10% of their
          
                  
            1:51:14
          
          
            staff because they wouldn't
accept the vaccine into their
          
                  
            1:51:16
          
          
            lives in the excuse for every
hiccup in patient care or staff
          
                  
            1:51:20
          
          
            use use is either COVID or lack
of staffing. The nurses CNAs
          
                  
            1:51:24
          
          
            physical therapists and
providers have been great, but
          
                  
            1:51:26
          
          
            there's a sense of a crisis that
seems to hang in the air. We've
          
                  
            1:51:29
          
          
            heard this from people in
Arizona for this for people
          
                  
            1:51:31
          
          
            everywhere. So we'd like to
extend some much needed karma to
          
                  
            1:51:34
          
          
            the hard working staff that are
helping patients and medical
          
                  
            1:51:36
          
          
            centers everywhere. Yes, a lot
of them listen to the show as
          
                  
            1:51:39
          
          
            well. Shout out to Kevin Alpha
Charlie seven keto November who
          
                  
            1:51:42
          
          
            despite changing call signs a
lot spoke is a solid dude that
          
                  
            1:51:46
          
          
            hit me in the mouth circus
episode 760 Kevin has a
          
                  
            1:51:50
          
          
            sustaining donor who is thus
definitely not a douchebag Plus
          
                  
            1:51:53
          
          
            he's an up Arizona where no one
slips on anything. I however,
          
                  
            1:51:57
          
          
            while donating before have
received far more value from no
          
                  
            1:52:00
          
          
            agenda than what I've given to a
deducing for moi is definitely
          
                  
            1:52:03
          
          
            appreciate
          
                  
            1:52:06
          
          
            Unknown: you spend deed deuced
          
                  
            1:52:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: and then he says
thanks for all you've done Love
          
                  
            1:52:14
          
          
            and Light jingles. I'll take a
goat scream that made it sound
          
                  
            1:52:17
          
          
            when my femur snapped. Have you
seen that juice? And an LG why?
          
                  
            1:52:22
          
          
            Okay, well we have all of that
for you. Oh my gosh. Can you see
          
                  
            1:52:28
          
          
            that juice? All done for you
sir. Thank you very much. 73
          
                  
            1:52:33
          
          
            years from Matt kilo Bravo nine
uniform Juliet echo 73 is kilo
          
                  
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            five Alpha Charlie, Charlie.
          
                  
            1:52:39
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Sure, faith in
Heidelberg, Deutschland
          
                  
            1:52:43
          
          
            Heidelberg thank you for
creating this show. You keep
          
                  
            1:52:47
          
          
            putting out in those outstanding
product I'd like to request some
          
                  
            1:52:51
          
          
            find a relationship karma cheers
sir faith pronounced sir fight
          
                  
            1:52:57
          
          
            sir fight.
          
                  
            1:52:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: May I will give you
that karma may I recommend you
          
                  
            1:53:01
          
          
            go to a no agenda meetup. That's
where you can find it. You've
          
                  
            1:53:04
          
          
            Unknown: got karma.
          
                  
            1:53:06
          
          
            Adam Curry: Connections
protection. Brother. Eric
          
                  
            1:53:08
          
          
            hearkens Venus. Vina noise stops
the new wieners town. Oh Rick
          
                  
            1:53:14
          
          
            Harkins. 333 Thank you. Austria
I might add. Yes. Do you Adam
          
                  
            1:53:19
          
          
            and John Happy birthday to you
that one happy birthday to you
          
                  
            1:53:22
          
          
            keep up keep it up you guys rock
to this is my first donation,
          
                  
            1:53:26
          
          
            please deduce me? You've been de
deuced and finally number three,
          
                  
            1:53:33
          
          
            please give jobs karma for my
smokin hot girlfriend. Eva.
          
                  
            1:53:37
          
          
            Thank you for everything you do.
And thank you alright. Jobs,
          
                  
            1:53:40
          
          
            jobs, jobs and jobs. Or jobs.
With a go,
          
                  
            1:53:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Johnny Oh, in
East Dubuque, Illinois. Hey guys
          
                  
            1:53:55
          
          
            discovered the podcast when Adam
was on Jerry in July 2021
          
                  
            1:53:59
          
          
            enjoyed Adam on headbangers ball
back in the day. This is my
          
                  
            1:54:02
          
          
            first donation at 333 Sorry it
took so long I know he disliked
          
                  
            1:54:06
          
          
            long notes but I feel like I
have some content to add if not
          
                  
            1:54:10
          
          
            relevant. Leave it at a huge as
I can you leave it at a huge
          
                  
            1:54:14
          
          
            thank you for all you do. I
spend most of my adult life
          
                  
            1:54:17
          
          
            working in the marketing
advertising field convincing
          
                  
            1:54:19
          
          
            people to buy crap they don't
need. Adam quit outing all of
          
                  
            1:54:25
          
          
            your secrets. By the way. I can
tell you I can tell you after
          
                  
            1:54:29
          
          
            long discussions with colleagues
about social media advertising
          
                  
            1:54:33
          
          
            tick tock is taking over and we
have no doubt the entire China
          
                  
            1:54:37
          
          
            threat is just a move to squeeze
them out. There you go. It used
          
                  
            1:54:41
          
          
            to be that you wanted to pay
Google to be on the top at the
          
                  
            1:54:44
          
          
            top when someone did a search
that is not the case anymore.
          
                  
            1:54:47
          
          
            Now that Tik Tok is so popular.
Our research shows that 80% of
          
                  
            1:54:52
          
          
            the under 25 age group goes to
tick tock that search. Anyway,
          
                  
            1:54:57
          
          
            thanks for the great podcast
          
                  
            1:54:59
          
          
            Adam Curry: and we got that For
my sister Willow who wrote that
          
                  
            1:55:01
          
          
            in her thesis from actual Google
infant from Google's own
          
                  
            1:55:05
          
          
            research in Google Italy, that's
how it works. And there's a tip
          
                  
            1:55:10
          
          
            for everybody. I agree it's
great content. Anybody who's in
          
                  
            1:55:13
          
          
            marketing communications, there
you go.
          
                  
            1:55:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Rowling call your
tick tock salesperson
          
                  
            1:55:18
          
          
            immediately.
          
                  
            1:55:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: Today to get in on
some great offers. Rob is in
          
                  
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            York South Carolina comes in
with 321 dot 23 says donating
          
                  
            1:55:30
          
          
            and donating an odor an odor of
my an odor. Hello in honor of my
          
                  
            1:55:34
          
          
            smokin hot wife Jade happy happy
30th birthday. Please play the
          
                  
            1:55:39
          
          
            vocal fry jingle and add her to
the birthday list rob from New
          
                  
            1:55:42
          
          
            York South Carolina Of course.
          
                  
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            Unknown: You know obviously, I
read I read The New York Times
          
                  
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            like all day long mainly on my
iPad
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: sir Luke in Walla
Walla, Washington, ITM gents
          
                  
            1:56:00
          
          
            Happy Birthday, John. Here's
your favorite gift a donation.
          
                  
            1:56:04
          
          
            Jingles please. Jill Abramson?
What was what you were reading
          
                  
            1:56:09
          
          
            Adam Curry: two in a row? No.
No. Yes. For a vocal fry jingle.
          
                  
            1:56:14
          
          
            That's that's our vocal fro. Do
we have a different vocal fry
          
                  
            1:56:16
          
          
            jingle? No. So it's two in a
row.
          
                  
            1:56:20
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, two, which
is a good example of random
          
                  
            1:56:23
          
          
            number because this is
ridiculous. Yeah, Jill Abramson.
          
                  
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            Abrams son vocal fry, orange at
jobs karma at the Pelosi Trump
          
                  
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            jaw of Joe variety a big one.
Sir Luca of the south east.
          
                  
            1:56:41
          
          
            Unknown: You know, obviously, I
read I read The New York Times
          
                  
            1:56:44
          
          
            like all day long, mainly on my
iPad. All jobs, jobs, jobs,
          
                  
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            jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Brenda Romano in
Petaluma, California. Hello no
          
                  
            1:57:06
          
          
            agenda this is a shout out to
you John and Adam. for
          
                  
            1:57:11
          
          
            continuing to advocate for free
thought and open discussion we
          
                  
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            don't advocate one year any we
just do it happy what Yeah, we
          
                  
            1:57:20
          
          
            don't advocate it for anything
to be honest about it. Do it.
          
                  
            1:57:23
          
          
            Happy one year any to my
husband, Mike Romano. I needed
          
                  
            1:57:27
          
          
            de douching and goat scream
deuced in his request to read on
          
                  
            1:57:36
          
          
            Sunday, April 16. We don't do
that. Sorry.
          
                  
            1:57:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: You can ask us.
Before that show, de de Becky
          
                  
            1:57:44
          
          
            and Sarah Mike from Katy, Texas
courser Texans come in Associate
          
                  
            1:57:48
          
          
            Executive partnership with 243
dot 60. You passed over to Reese
          
                  
            1:57:52
          
          
            de Reese Morris, Hannah. Well,
Therese Morris and Hanover
          
                  
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            Massachusetts $250 No note
couldn't find one. Unless you
          
                  
            1:58:00
          
          
            have one job. Then we get a
double up karma for you. You've
          
                  
            1:58:05
          
          
            got karma. And I'll do Dame
Becky and Sir Mike from Katy,
          
                  
            1:58:11
          
          
            Texas now to 4360 Please
credited to our honorable number
          
                  
            1:58:15
          
          
            one son Chris Kinney. Italian
thin Kiante in celebration of
          
                  
            1:58:21
          
          
            his 47th trip around the sun on
April 6, Chris hit us in the
          
                  
            1:58:24
          
          
            mouth a couple of years ago, and
we are forever grateful. It's
          
                  
            1:58:28
          
          
            197 dot 64 His birth year and 46
for his birthday April 16. Becky
          
                  
            1:58:33
          
          
            and great have the great Katy
Prairie and Sir Mike have the
          
                  
            1:58:36
          
          
            great Katy Perry. They don't eat
a lot. I love those two. That
          
                  
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            sounds so
          
                  
            1:58:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's a that's a
switcheroo
          
                  
            1:58:42
          
          
            Adam Curry: Good point. Good
point, Chris. Kenny. I should
          
                  
            1:58:45
          
          
            put that in now. And they sound
like fun folk.
          
                  
            1:58:50
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah. DeMasters
next on the list our friend. Oh,
          
                  
            1:58:53
          
          
            she's in Tokyo. $222.71 Happy
birthday dear John. You You
          
                  
            1:59:02
          
          
            remain a chick magnet. Much Love
Day master Duchess of Japan and
          
                  
            1:59:07
          
          
            all the disputed islands of the
Japan Sea.
          
                  
            1:59:10
          
          
            Adam Curry: I would I would have
to concur. Yeah, a lot. A lot of
          
                  
            1:59:15
          
          
            the no agenda ladies at the
meetups. They they think you're
          
                  
            1:59:18
          
          
            a chick magnet.
          
                  
            1:59:19
          
          
            John C Dvorak: You're not gonna
door.
          
                  
            1:59:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: Justin pol gar Santa
Cruz California 222 dot 33.
          
                  
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            John, I love that you were born
the same year as my dad. It
          
                  
            1:59:28
          
          
            echoes both both a finely aged
authority and a healthy
          
                  
            1:59:32
          
          
            rebellious rebellious flair in
my being. We all know what
          
                  
            1:59:35
          
          
            you're talking about Justin?
Since JCD Oh, good since JCD
          
                  
            1:59:39
          
          
            read my last note kindly have
Mr. Curry read this one in the
          
                  
            1:59:42
          
          
            morning my water brothers of the
Gitmo nation. Adam did you enjoy
          
                  
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            your care pack package with a
Migdal of shrinking botanical
          
                  
            1:59:49
          
          
            chocolate from yes cocoa cocoa
cacao? Yes, I did very much. I
          
                  
            1:59:54
          
          
            think I ate it all. And I loved
it. It was good. I had someone
          
                  
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            Yes, it was it's good stuff.
Have I made it a point to send
          
                  
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            this pods audio waves directly
into the chocolate production
          
                  
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            room, thus making it the best
chocolate in the universe and
          
                  
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            all no agenda slaves get 11% off
with the code ITN. And yes,
          
                  
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            koco.com Yeah, that's how you do
it. I also want to remind all
          
                  
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            responsible listeners with human
resources age 14 Plus that
          
                  
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            serial mouth punching. Danny
Katz is hosting her one time
          
                  
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            only 10 week live virtual class
for pop propaganda. Oh, it's
          
                  
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            actually a fun little book she
made. I've read it. One of my
          
                  
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            favorite books for increasing
lumens in mind. Plus, Adam,
          
                  
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            you're on the back cover. That's
right. I wrote a blurb forget
          
                  
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            the war in Ukraine. It's fading
out anyway. I do believe it's
          
                  
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            the daily war on words that
requires our attention. Check
          
                  
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            out Danny catch.com For more
word weapons don't be a
          
                  
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            douchebag jingle request
shapeshifting Jews Well, we're
          
                  
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            going to presume that you are
entitled to request that is
          
                  
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            there anything else in the end
is there anything else the
          
                  
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            jingle Cyclopedia with Gene
Wilder he's such a generality
          
                  
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            with anything from Gene Wilder
actually love it. Love it Love
          
                  
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            is love it love it love is lit
there is no exit job last Justin
          
                  
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            Frank Paul guard Minister of
chocolate give me a little karma
          
                  
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            as well.
          
                  
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            Unknown: You've got karma
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: the non Anonymous
is in from Truth or Consequences
          
                  
            2:01:34
          
          
            New Mexico, which is actually a
name of a town in the morning up
          
                  
            2:01:38
          
          
            to you Jen says choose to remain
anonymous mostly to spare you
          
                  
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            from breaking your jaws and
pronouncing my name. Please
          
                  
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            deduce me bad deed de deuced
goat karma goat I'm sorry goat
          
                  
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            in Yak karma my way my much love
to you both into the no agenda
          
                  
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            nation.
          
                  
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            Unknown: Karma
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: and our last Oh no.
We have to associate executive
          
                  
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            producers left I'll do them sir
Eric from Auburn Alabama. $200
          
                  
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            says in the morning citizens
keep up the great jokes are Eric
          
                  
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            with a C and then the last one
from teal Busby. Jackson. Is it
          
                  
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            Missouri? Ms.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Modesto,
Mississippi, but what about you
          
                  
            2:02:30
          
          
            got who she is do because
there's Andrus and Sir Eric, you
          
                  
            2:02:33
          
          
            did both.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I missed
Andrus. I was so short. Canal
          
                  
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            canal. Andrea, Andrea Vargas,
Andrea vagas Canal Fulton, Ohio.
          
                  
            2:02:42
          
          
            208 simply said you guys kick
ass and then I'll do the final
          
                  
            2:02:46
          
          
            one. Thank you very much,
Andrew. Thank you, sir Eric. And
          
                  
            2:02:49
          
          
            then to Busby in the morning.
Thank you, John out for the best
          
                  
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            podcast. In years I've been
freely suckling, from no agendas
          
                  
            2:02:55
          
          
            content teeth for too long time
to step into the community. As I
          
                  
            2:02:59
          
          
            proclaim in the meet up report.
Today I am being de dos de
          
                  
            2:03:05
          
          
            deuced. Since my move from the
coast to Jackson, I haven't put
          
                  
            2:03:09
          
          
            much effort into making friends
in the area. So I want to give a
          
                  
            2:03:12
          
          
            shout out to surf Foreman and
the MS. Metro Meetup group.
          
                  
            2:03:15
          
          
            Thank you for dragging me out of
the house last Saturday. This is
          
                  
            2:03:17
          
          
            what these meetups are good for
no jingles. Just karma for
          
                  
            2:03:22
          
          
            everybody in Mississippi who was
who was hit by the recent
          
                  
            2:03:24
          
          
            tornadoes. As a resident of the
landmass between New Orleans and
          
                  
            2:03:27
          
          
            Mobile, Alabama during Katrina,
I have been there not to not
          
                  
            2:03:31
          
          
            only lose your home, but in a
sense your entire world is a
          
                  
            2:03:35
          
          
            truly surreal situation that
can't be described or imagined.
          
                  
            2:03:38
          
          
            Unless experienced. No agenda
nation knows that, and shouldn't
          
                  
            2:03:42
          
          
            look solely towards the
government at a time like this,
          
                  
            2:03:44
          
          
            which is what means to turn us
on to what we can do. And he
          
                  
            2:03:48
          
          
            actually asked me to put this
link into which I will do next
          
                  
            2:03:52
          
          
            to his name for a GoFundMe. It's
just for Ms. tornado relief. Of
          
                  
            2:03:56
          
          
            course, we will support that for
you so people can help and don't
          
                  
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            just look for the government to
help you agree 100%. And he says
          
                  
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            full disclosure. I'm currently
running a political campaign in
          
                  
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            the Southern District of
Mississippi. But I've been able
          
                  
            2:04:08
          
          
            to divert 100% of my fundraising
efforts from the campaign to
          
                  
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            tornado relief. After all, love
is lit. Thank you for your
          
                  
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            courage. And thank you very
much. And we will give that
          
                  
            2:04:17
          
          
            karma to all of the people who
deserve it. Thank you very much.
          
                  
            2:04:21
          
          
            Unknown: You've got karma.
          
                  
            2:04:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: And that will be
the conclusion to our Associate
          
                  
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            Executive Producer and the
fabulous executive producers for
          
                  
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            show 1544 If I'm not mistaken as
we move along,
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: that is exactly the
number and again thank you for
          
                  
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Executive Producers ship
          
                  
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            become one of these producers go
here for.org/and A thank you all
          
                  
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            very much for supporting us for
episode 1544. Our formula is
          
                  
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            this. We go out. We get people
in the mouth
          
                  
            2:05:14
          
          
            I want to play a couple of dumb
clips, media clips about the
          
                  
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            Trump indictment. Do you have a
you don't have anything on that?
          
                  
            2:05:22
          
          
            I think I have maybe one you got
an overcoat overview clip or
          
                  
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            something or
          
                  
            2:05:27
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, I think I
said at least.
          
                  
            2:05:30
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, let's see what
to do I have an overview. Yeah,
          
                  
            2:05:35
          
          
            here we go. Oh, this is good.
Because it's Jeff, the gays.
          
                  
            2:05:38
          
          
            Jeff, the gays always fun to
listen to. He could just be
          
                  
            2:05:41
          
          
            reading the phone book and I'd
listen to Jeff engage
          
                  
            2:05:44
          
          
            Unknown: with the former
president's arrival here in New
          
                  
            2:05:46
          
          
            York. The city is on high alert
tonight. Trump Tower, the 58
          
                  
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            storey building in the heart of
one of the world's most famous
          
                  
            2:05:53
          
          
            avenues is all but surrounded by
security barricades swamped by
          
                  
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            police and Secret Service.
Police still is there are no
          
                  
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            specific or credible threats but
they are prepared for violence
          
                  
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            are about 35,000 police officers
in uniform in the city right now
          
                  
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            ready to deploy. If they're
problems,
          
                  
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            they may be some rabble rousers.
Thinking about coming to our
          
                  
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            city tomorrow a message?
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Sorry, I can't
listen to this guy without
          
                  
            2:06:21
          
          
            hearing our guy.
          
                  
            2:06:23
          
          
            Adam Curry: The mayor, the
mayor, there's a there's a bit
          
                  
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            at the end where is totally our
guy.
          
                  
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            Unknown: There may be some
rabble rousers. Thinking about
          
                  
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            coming to our city tomorrow, a
message is clear and simple.
          
                  
            2:06:38
          
          
            Control yourselves.
          
                  
            2:06:39
          
          
            Investigators from the FBI, NYPD
and Secret Service are combing
          
                  
            2:06:44
          
          
            through social media for any
possible plot similar to the
          
                  
            2:06:48
          
          
            January 6 attack. They are
seeing calls for violence
          
                  
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            directed at government
officials, including Manhattan
          
                  
            2:06:55
          
          
            district attorney Alvin Bragg
whose security was recently
          
                  
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            increased
          
                  
            2:07:00
          
          
            investigating any threats that
may be made to the DEA or any of
          
                  
            2:07:03
          
          
            his his staff.
          
                  
            2:07:04
          
          
            New York City Mayor Eric Adams
assembled.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Even Bill Gates is
doing it now. New York City
          
                  
            2:07:10
          
          
            Mayor he even said Mayor like
the mayor
          
                  
            2:07:13
          
          
            Unknown: to the DA or any of his
his staff.
          
                  
            2:07:15
          
          
            New York City Mayor Eric Adams
singled out Georgia Republican
          
                  
            2:07:18
          
          
            Marjorie Taylor Greene who was
joining a pro Trump rally near
          
                  
            2:07:22
          
          
            Manhattan criminal court
tomorrow.
          
                  
            2:07:24
          
          
            People like Marjorie Taylor
Greene, who is known to spread
          
                  
            2:07:29
          
          
            Ms. misinformation and hate
speech. Have she stayed as she's
          
                  
            2:07:33
          
          
            coming to town while you're in
town be on your best behavior.
          
                  
            2:07:38
          
          
            Now that's
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: a pretty good
overview. And as we said, it was
          
                  
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            mainly social media people and
and mainstream people. It was
          
                  
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            just a dumb circus. Couple
things of note. I would say most
          
                  
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            of the of the print articles had
very little on, on the
          
                  
            2:08:00
          
          
            indictments, you'll hear a few
clips it wasn't really much in
          
                  
            2:08:03
          
          
            there. But the term that Trump
was admonished by the judge to
          
                  
            2:08:11
          
          
            remain from a rhetoric that
could K call could inflame or
          
                  
            2:08:15
          
          
            cause civil arrest. Every single
out of Ed Trump was admonished
          
                  
            2:08:19
          
          
            were from what I understand. The
judge said that to all parties.
          
                  
            2:08:23
          
          
            But besides that, ABC, when I
think this there might be some
          
                  
            2:08:28
          
          
            legality to this or illegality,
when they aired news reports of
          
                  
            2:08:34
          
          
            Trump speaking at Mar a Lago, he
was behind you know, the Trump
          
                  
            2:08:39
          
          
            are running for president
lectern, they blurred out his
          
                  
            2:08:43
          
          
            text number that you can text
for donations or information or
          
                  
            2:08:48
          
          
            whatever that is, is that not
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: illegal? Can you
do it? You blurt out whatever
          
                  
            2:08:53
          
          
            you want. But if you do it for
          
                  
            2:08:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: one candidate and
not for the other?
          
                  
            2:08:59
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, that's a
good question. That may be a
          
                  
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            player i But I think those laws
are there used to be a law
          
                  
            2:09:04
          
          
            against doing something like
that doing? Yeah, Dad used to be
          
                  
            2:09:07
          
          
            a fairness doctrine, which is,
was repealed in 87. So I think
          
                  
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            they can do whatever they want.
But I watched that entire Mara
          
                  
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            Lago speech, and it was it was
most of it was shot. Whoo. It
          
                  
            2:09:20
          
          
            was a shared feed. And it was
you never got to see that. That
          
                  
            2:09:25
          
          
            thing is that maybe for a split
second, they couldn't have
          
                  
            2:09:27
          
          
            blurted out for long while they
blurred it out
          
                  
            2:09:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: on social media. Or
online, whatever. So here's your
          
                  
            2:09:35
          
          
            skin shed. Yeah, of course.
Here's, I have a couple of
          
                  
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            clips. These are all basically
just with opinions, and we wind
          
                  
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            up with an interesting one.
We'll start with ABC with
          
                  
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            Jonathan Karl.
          
                  
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            Unknown: We're also learning
more about the dynamic in that
          
                  
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            courtroom after the political
rhetoric in the weeks before all
          
                  
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            of this the former president
taking aim. Then the power shift
          
                  
            2:09:56
          
          
            with the former president now a
criminal defendant before the
          
                  
            2:09:58
          
          
            judge. Let's pray ABC chief
Washington correspondent
          
                  
            2:10:01
          
          
            Jonathan Karl live here in New
York for our coverage in John,
          
                  
            2:10:04
          
          
            our team in that room describing
a very different dynamic playing
          
                  
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            out in court today.
          
                  
            2:10:08
          
          
            David Donald Trump is accustomed
to being the center of attention
          
                  
            2:10:12
          
          
            and in control in whatever room
he walks into. That was
          
                  
            2:10:16
          
          
            decidedly not the case. Today
inside that courtroom as he
          
                  
            2:10:20
          
          
            walked in, Trump looked as
profoundly unhappy as I have
          
                  
            2:10:24
          
          
            ever seen him a deep scowl on
his face. He was in the
          
                  
            2:10:28
          
          
            courtroom for 57 minutes,
surrounded by his lawyers,
          
                  
            2:10:32
          
          
            police officers standing behind
him. He had to wait for about a
          
                  
            2:10:36
          
          
            full five minutes before the
judge entered the room. And when
          
                  
            2:10:40
          
          
            the judge walked in, Trump had
to do what everybody else had to
          
                  
            2:10:43
          
          
            do in that room stand. It will
be the judge calling the shots.
          
                  
            2:10:47
          
          
            Donald Trump, our reporter in
the room, Olivia Rubin noticed
          
                  
            2:10:51
          
          
            that Trump spoke so softly that
at one point, the judge said I
          
                  
            2:10:56
          
          
            can't hear you and asked him to
repeat what he was saying,
          
                  
            2:10:59
          
          
            speaking softly. That's not
something we see Donald Trump
          
                  
            2:11:03
          
          
            do, ever, if at all. And I
suspect, David that as we go on,
          
                  
            2:11:09
          
          
            he will not be speaking softly
for long,
          
                  
            2:11:11
          
          
            Adam Curry: riveting report. He
had to stand and spoke softly.
          
                  
            2:11:15
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, we have to
remember that that Carl is the
          
                  
            2:11:18
          
          
            head of the Washington. Yeah,
the press corps, the press corps
          
                  
            2:11:22
          
          
            that that goes to the White
House and tried to shut up that
          
                  
            2:11:26
          
          
            poor African guy,
          
                  
            2:11:27
          
          
            Adam Curry: but you know, and I,
I didn't see any of this.
          
                  
            2:11:32
          
          
            Because I was in extras in
Austin, I was doing a show with
          
                  
            2:11:37
          
          
            Marty bent from the CFTC
podcast. And so I was only
          
                  
            2:11:41
          
          
            listening to stuff on the way
back. And I figured out pretty
          
                  
            2:11:44
          
          
            quickly that the no one really
had anything that would show
          
                  
            2:11:48
          
          
            that Trump is the walls are
closing in. He's going to jail,
          
                  
            2:11:51
          
          
            none of that. And even on CNN,
John Bolton, who is now a CNN
          
                  
            2:11:56
          
          
            correspondent. Here's what he
said big picture.
          
                  
            2:11:59
          
          
            Unknown: What do you think of
the indictment?
          
                  
            2:12:01
          
          
            Well, speaking as someone who
very strongly does not want
          
                  
            2:12:04
          
          
            Donald Trump to get the
Republican presidential
          
                  
            2:12:06
          
          
            nomination, I'm extraordinarily
distressed by this document. I
          
                  
            2:12:09
          
          
            think this is even weaker than I
feared it would be. And I think
          
                  
            2:12:14
          
          
            it's it's easily subject to
being dismissed or a quick
          
                  
            2:12:18
          
          
            acquittal for Trump. Just
speaking going back to the days
          
                  
            2:12:21
          
          
            when I represented Jim Buckley
and Jean McCarthy and the
          
                  
            2:12:24
          
          
            constitutional challenge to the
underlying federal statute here
          
                  
            2:12:27
          
          
            passed in 1974. I can say there
is no basis in the statutory
          
                  
            2:12:32
          
          
            language to say that Trump's
behavior forms either a
          
                  
            2:12:35
          
          
            contribution or an expenditure
under federal law, the two key
          
                  
            2:12:40
          
          
            definitions at issue here. If it
did, it would mean that every
          
                  
            2:12:44
          
          
            single expenditure a candidate
made could be taken to have
          
                  
            2:12:48
          
          
            something to do with this
campaign. Do I buy a $1 comb to
          
                  
            2:12:51
          
          
            comb my hair or $10? comb to
comb my hair? If you can
          
                  
            2:12:56
          
          
            construe the statute to cover
this behavior, then I think it
          
                  
            2:13:00
          
          
            violates the First Amendment
because you're deeply into
          
                  
            2:13:03
          
          
            territory that that makes the
statute absolutely federal
          
                  
            2:13:07
          
          
            statute, too vague for
enforcement. And as what I
          
                  
            2:13:10
          
          
            understood the district attorney
to say that he thinks there's a
          
                  
            2:13:13
          
          
            New York election law involved
here, all I can say is the
          
                  
            2:13:17
          
          
            Federal Election Campaign Act
absolutely preempts any state or
          
                  
            2:13:21
          
          
            local law to the contrary, how
could it be otherwise? You've
          
                  
            2:13:24
          
          
            got one law governing corporate
finance and a presidential
          
                  
            2:13:27
          
          
            election at the federal level,
you're going to have 50 state
          
                  
            2:13:30
          
          
            laws interfering with it. So
he's just wrong on the
          
                  
            2:13:32
          
          
            applicability of the New York
statute.
          
                  
            2:13:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh,
          
                  
            2:13:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: you know, a lot
of people I've watched
          
                  
            2:13:38
          
          
            everything I saw, what's his
name, the DA could do his little
          
                  
            2:13:42
          
          
            press conference, which was
short. And I watched Trump as he
          
                  
            2:13:46
          
          
            went to the show the full plane
flying in the air and landing.
          
                  
            2:13:52
          
          
            And the DA made a huge point in
his press conference to say that
          
                  
            2:13:56
          
          
            this was about New York law had
nothing to do with federal law.
          
                  
            2:13:59
          
          
            And he almost I think he may
have actually said that. And so
          
                  
            2:14:02
          
          
            all these analysts who bring up
federal law about to analyze
          
                  
            2:14:09
          
          
            this indictment, I don't know
what their what they've had any
          
                  
            2:14:12
          
          
            did they listen to this guy? He
made a clear point. This has
          
                  
            2:14:16
          
          
            nothing to do with any federal
law the way he sees it.
          
                  
            2:14:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, that's what
George Washington University law
          
                  
            2:14:25
          
          
            professor Jonathan Turley said,
and he is he speaks for Fox
          
                  
            2:14:31
          
          
            News, and I did my best to cut
out as much of Brett as I could.
          
                  
            2:14:34
          
          
            Yeah.
          
                  
            2:14:36
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Wait, wait,
before you play the fox news
          
                  
            2:14:38
          
          
            clip. I will say another thing.
I mean, I did a lot of channel
          
                  
            2:14:40
          
          
            swapping. And it the analysts
that were under different than I
          
                  
            2:14:44
          
          
            have a clip from one of the
locals, but the analysts that
          
                  
            2:14:47
          
          
            were on these different
channels, especially CBS versus
          
                  
            2:14:51
          
          
            Fox couldn't be distance between
them as a million miles. It was
          
                  
            2:14:58
          
          
            unbelievable to hear the The
analysts on CBS versus Fox, I
          
                  
            2:15:03
          
          
            will say that from what I heard
from all these different
          
                  
            2:15:05
          
          
            analysts, Fox was the only one
that was somewhat objective.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: When we play the
local analysis, is that what I'm
          
                  
            2:15:12
          
          
            playing here?
          
                  
            2:15:12
          
          
            John C Dvorak: No, no, you're
gonna play the you're gonna play
          
                  
            2:15:14
          
          
            your clips. My local analysis is
I got three parter, and you can
          
                  
            2:15:17
          
          
            finish. Okay. All right. Let
          
                  
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            Unknown: me tell you, I've never
seen an indictment quite like
          
                  
            2:15:20
          
          
            this one. That is the key
linchpin. That's how you get
          
                  
            2:15:23
          
          
            beyond the statute of
limitations. I know a lot of
          
                  
            2:15:26
          
          
            judges that would have been not
too pleased to receive an
          
                  
            2:15:30
          
          
            indictment like this would have
said, you know, what the heck is
          
                  
            2:15:33
          
          
            this mean? What are you
alleging, and brag, just sort of
          
                  
            2:15:36
          
          
            waved it off and said, I don't
have to really say, but my
          
                  
            2:15:40
          
          
            question is, how does the grand
jury understand what it was
          
                  
            2:15:43
          
          
            doing? We'll see a little better
with the bill of particulars.
          
                  
            2:15:47
          
          
            But it really raises concerns as
to how well the grand jury
          
                  
            2:15:51
          
          
            understood these key linchpins
because this thing is a feeling
          
                  
            2:15:55
          
          
            of like illegal Slurpee, it it's
instantly satisfying, but has no
          
                  
            2:15:59
          
          
            nutritional value. There's
nothing there. The thing is,
          
                  
            2:16:03
          
          
            this is basically what we
expected. You had people like
          
                  
            2:16:05
          
          
            Lanny Davis, who represents it,
Michael Cohen saying, I'm
          
                  
            2:16:09
          
          
            warning you there's going to be
a lot of new crimes here. And
          
                  
            2:16:12
          
          
            it's going to there's gonna be a
lot of new facts. Well, it
          
                  
            2:16:14
          
          
            wasn't. I mean, this was the
business falsification theory
          
                  
            2:16:17
          
          
            that we've talked about. The
only surprising thing is that
          
                  
            2:16:21
          
          
            brands seem to have solved the
question of his authority
          
                  
            2:16:24
          
          
            through ambiguity. He just
removed any direct references to
          
                  
            2:16:28
          
          
            what this underlying offense
was. And my guess is it's going
          
                  
            2:16:32
          
          
            to be a federal election claim.
I mean, this the the state, the
          
                  
            2:16:36
          
          
            reference of the state election
law was so general ambiguous, I
          
                  
            2:16:41
          
          
            don't think that that could be
the it sustain this type of
          
                  
            2:16:43
          
          
            actions. It's like a scene in
Braveheart when he says, like,
          
                  
            2:16:46
          
          
            we didn't get dressed up for
nothing. I mean, it's, he's
          
                  
            2:16:48
          
          
            hoping that this judge is going
to be very timid, and not throw
          
                  
            2:16:52
          
          
            this out. But there are
substantial threshold legal
          
                  
            2:16:56
          
          
            questions here. And this case
could collapse before it gets to
          
                  
            2:17:00
          
          
            a trial. And this is not the
only judge that will have to
          
                  
            2:17:04
          
          
            look at this. And I think that
has to weigh heavily on him.
          
                  
            2:17:07
          
          
            Because there's no there there
now, whether he could fill in
          
                  
            2:17:11
          
          
            those gaps we'll have to see.
But you would think if you were
          
                  
            2:17:14
          
          
            going to indict a president, you
would, you would rise to that
          
                  
            2:17:17
          
          
            moment of history and tell
people with precision what it is
          
                  
            2:17:21
          
          
            that you want to convict him on.
          
                  
            2:17:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: So I think both
Charlie and Carl and the
          
                  
            2:17:30
          
          
            fortunate for what's his name?
Bolton, I think they're all
          
                  
            2:17:35
          
          
            three of them are wrong. And the
best analysis did not come from
          
                  
            2:17:39
          
          
            mainstream it came from Alan
Dershowitz, constitutional
          
                  
            2:17:43
          
          
            lawyer, who we have liked when
he was a nutjob democrat and a
          
                  
            2:17:47
          
          
            nutjob non Democrat. Sorry,
          
                  
            2:17:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: as I predicted
two newsletters ago Dersch would
          
                  
            2:17:51
          
          
            show up.
          
                  
            2:17:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he shows
it. Well, he had to show up on
          
                  
            2:17:54
          
          
            Charlie Kirk's podcast, because
he can't can't buy himself a
          
                  
            2:17:57
          
          
            spot on mainstream because, you
know, he's like, he's a
          
                  
            2:18:01
          
          
            Democrat. So he can't be on Fox.
And then he defended Trump, so
          
                  
            2:18:05
          
          
            he can't be on the on the on any
of the left wing media. But I
          
                  
            2:18:09
          
          
            think he has the proper
analysis.
          
                  
            2:18:12
          
          
            Unknown: I don't think I could
get this case dismissed so
          
                  
            2:18:15
          
          
            easily. I don't think that I
don't think that if you had the
          
                  
            2:18:18
          
          
            best lawyers in the history of
the world, Abraham Lincoln and
          
                  
            2:18:21
          
          
            John Marshall, a New York City
judge would dismiss this case,
          
                  
            2:18:25
          
          
            because that New York City
judges life would be over.
          
                  
            2:18:28
          
          
            Everybody would point to him the
way they pointed to me when I
          
                  
            2:18:30
          
          
            defended Trump, Oh, my. There's
the man who helped Trump get
          
                  
            2:18:34
          
          
            free. So I don't think it's
going to be easy. I think he
          
                  
            2:18:37
          
          
            probably will be convicted by
your jury who voted for Bragg
          
                  
            2:18:43
          
          
            and voted for get Trump, it will
be reversed on appeal. It will
          
                  
            2:18:47
          
          
            never be affirmed all the way up
to the Supreme Court, but brags
          
                  
            2:18:51
          
          
            gonna be popular, he'll be
reelected. And and he'll
          
                  
            2:18:55
          
          
            probably win his case. Unless
unless there is a change of
          
                  
            2:19:00
          
          
            venue.
          
                  
            2:19:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: I think that's the
proper analysis. I agree. 100%
          
                  
            2:19:05
          
          
            No, you said 100% Now you're
doing it 100% 100% About your
          
                  
            2:19:11
          
          
            local analysis. We do that now.
          
                  
            2:19:12
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Now I have this I
got three clips are they're kind
          
                  
            2:19:14
          
          
            of interesting. I think they
kind of work together. Okay.
          
                  
            2:19:18
          
          
            First of all, this is a local
analysis that took place the day
          
                  
            2:19:23
          
          
            before the indictment. And so
this is the kind of thing and I
          
                  
            2:19:27
          
          
            got the guy's name. He's a
professor the classic local
          
                  
            2:19:30
          
          
            professor does, you know as a
Democrat is a California
          
                  
            2:19:33
          
          
            professor so he's, you know,
liberal progressive, wants to
          
                  
            2:19:37
          
          
            dissolve the family and turn us
all into communists. Oh, we know
          
                  
            2:19:41
          
          
            the kind Yes, we this guy. So
this is a classic to me. What we
          
                  
            2:19:46
          
          
            were hearing in the Bay Area and
just before he was indicted,
          
                  
            2:19:50
          
          
            before we didn't, we found out
that he didn't have a mug shot.
          
                  
            2:19:53
          
          
            He didn't get can come none of
that. So let's go this and I did
          
                  
            2:19:57
          
          
            cut it. So you give the
introduction induction is the
          
                  
            2:20:00
          
          
            guy that we cut right to one of
his comments.
          
                  
            2:20:02
          
          
            Unknown: Robert ovitz to the
nine. He's a political science
          
                  
            2:20:04
          
          
            professor at San Jose State.
          
                  
            2:20:06
          
          
            You know, our the history of our
country has been for over 200
          
                  
            2:20:09
          
          
            years presidents have evaded
responsibility and
          
                  
            2:20:11
          
          
            accountability. But here, I
think it's starting to creep up
          
                  
            2:20:16
          
          
            and catch up with President
Trump. We know that the attorney
          
                  
            2:20:20
          
          
            general is actively
investigating all the mountains
          
                  
            2:20:23
          
          
            of evidence that was accumulated
in the January 6 investigation
          
                  
            2:20:27
          
          
            last year. And let's hope that
it looks bold to some
          
                  
            2:20:31
          
          
            accountability for President
Trump. And if that's the case,
          
                  
            2:20:35
          
          
            he's going to be doing more than
doing the perp walk that he's
          
                  
            2:20:38
          
          
            going to do this after
          
                  
            2:20:40
          
          
            Adam Curry: that. So we didn't
even do the perp walk. And
          
                  
            2:20:42
          
          
            notice this guy doesn't say he's
done. He just has mountains and
          
                  
            2:20:46
          
          
            whoa, Earth.
          
                  
            2:20:48
          
          
            John C Dvorak: classic, classic
local yokels. Now I did
          
                  
            2:20:52
          
          
            beforehand. My last clip, I want
to play this intermediate clip,
          
                  
            2:20:55
          
          
            which is actually something we
don't normally do on the show,
          
                  
            2:20:59
          
          
            but this is Tucker Carlson
reading a tweet. Since I thought
          
                  
            2:21:04
          
          
            it would be more entertaining.
Let's have him read it. And I
          
                  
            2:21:06
          
          
            think that this is apt
Salvadorian prick prexy tweet.
          
                  
            2:21:12
          
          
            Unknown: Here is Salvadoran
president now you boo Kelly on
          
                  
            2:21:15
          
          
            Twitter today, quote. Think what
you want about former President
          
                  
            2:21:19
          
          
            Trump and the reasons he's being
indicted. But Kelly wrote, but
          
                  
            2:21:22
          
          
            just imagine if this happened in
any other country where a
          
                  
            2:21:25
          
          
            government arrested the main
opposition candidate. The United
          
                  
            2:21:29
          
          
            States is ability to use quote,
democracy as foreign policy is
          
                  
            2:21:34
          
          
            gone.
          
                  
            2:21:35
          
          
            Adam Curry: Well, Kelly is a big
hero man. He's a big hero
          
                  
            2:21:38
          
          
            amongst the Bitcoiners that's
for sure.
          
                  
            2:21:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: And last, just as
like nobody covered this that
          
                  
            2:21:44
          
          
            much. And I just thought this is
the funny kind of ancillary
          
                  
            2:21:49
          
          
            commentary about the stormy
Daniels clip.
          
                  
            2:21:55
          
          
            Unknown: Meanwhile, stormy
Daniels lost her defamation suit
          
                  
            2:21:58
          
          
            against Trump. Daniels was
ordered to pay Trump's attorneys
          
                  
            2:22:01
          
          
            more than $120,000 in legal
fees. That's on top of more than
          
                  
            2:22:06
          
          
            $500,000 in court ordered
payments to Trump's attorneys
          
                  
            2:22:10
          
          
            she's already been required to
pay. A judge dismissed her
          
                  
            2:22:14
          
          
            defamation lawsuit in 2018. She
later lost and appeal and was
          
                  
            2:22:17
          
          
            ordered to pay Trump's legal
fees for fighting both the civil
          
                  
            2:22:21
          
          
            litigation is on is officially
unrelated to Trump's case in New
          
                  
            2:22:25
          
          
            York. Some denies ever having an
affair with her.
          
                  
            2:22:29
          
          
            Adam Curry: Man. I want him to
hear more stormy Koch clips. I'm
          
                  
            2:22:32
          
          
            bummed I missed
          
                  
            2:22:34
          
          
            John C Dvorak: you guys. I think
you have the only one.
          
                  
            2:22:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: There was one, which
is a short clip. But, you know,
          
                  
            2:22:42
          
          
            Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced
he filed his paperwork he
          
                  
            2:22:45
          
          
            announced his presidency is run
for president as a Democrat.
          
                  
            2:22:48
          
          
            Yep. Now, just to put this into
perspective, he is a lawyer
          
                  
            2:22:52
          
          
            who's taken the second a lot of
corporations to court, certainly
          
                  
            2:22:57
          
          
            Big Pharma. He is by definition,
not an anti Vaxxer. He was
          
                  
            2:23:02
          
          
            actually an environmental
lawyer. And he fought against
          
                  
            2:23:08
          
          
            mercury in water. That's what he
did for years and years and
          
                  
            2:23:12
          
          
            years. And he kept seeing but
this is all his own admission.
          
                  
            2:23:15
          
          
            It kept seeing moms showing up
at at his speeches and they
          
                  
            2:23:19
          
          
            said, Hey, there's mercury in
some of these adjuvants in
          
                  
            2:23:22
          
          
            vaccines, and we think they've
caused harm to our children. And
          
                  
            2:23:26
          
          
            so then he became an advocate
for getting mercury out of
          
                  
            2:23:30
          
          
            vaccines, of course, with his
deconstruction, his of COVID,
          
                  
            2:23:36
          
          
            his deconstruction of the
vaccine industry industry, how
          
                  
            2:23:39
          
          
            it works, his book on Anthony
Fauci going back to the Fauci
          
                  
            2:23:44
          
          
            days of killing gay guys with
HIV. I'm just going to say
          
                  
            2:23:48
          
          
            that's what the book says. So of
course, you have to completely
          
                  
            2:23:53
          
          
            discredit Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and let's
          
                  
            2:23:59
          
          
            hear how the tone is set by Jake
Tapper at CNN,
          
                  
            2:24:03
          
          
            Unknown: this just into CNN,
anti vaccine quack, Robert F.
          
                  
            2:24:07
          
          
            Kennedy Jr. has filed paperwork
with the Federal Election
          
                  
            2:24:11
          
          
            Commission to run for president
as a Democrat in launching his
          
                  
            2:24:15
          
          
            presidential bid Kennedy is the
latest in a long line of family
          
                  
            2:24:18
          
          
            members to enter politics. So
far, only Marianne Williamson
          
                  
            2:24:23
          
          
            who likes once launched her
second launch campaign has
          
                  
            2:24:25
          
          
            entered the Democratic primary
against Biden Kennedy is such a
          
                  
            2:24:28
          
          
            healthcare menace in 2019. Even
his cousins wrote an op ed
          
                  
            2:24:32
          
          
            criticizing his anti science
views on life saving vaccines.
          
                  
            2:24:38
          
          
            Adam Curry: You don't need to
know any more than that's what
          
                  
            2:24:40
          
          
            he's gonna get. And when you
call Robert F. Kennedy Jr. A
          
                  
            2:24:44
          
          
            quack over Marianne Williams,
man, they're out to get you. Oh,
          
                  
            2:24:50
          
          
            they're
          
                  
            2:24:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: gonna get him.
They're out to get him for sure.
          
                  
            2:24:53
          
          
            I don't know why they're so
afraid of him. I don't think he
          
                  
            2:24:56
          
          
            has much of a chance. But is
there going to play the Trump
          
                  
            2:24:58
          
          
            game and go after him and make a
good call? Besides a lot of
          
                  
            2:25:00
          
          
            stuff, he may get some
attention. Oh, you may be
          
                  
            2:25:03
          
          
            screwing up. As usual as
          
                  
            2:25:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: usual, as usual.
Hey, I see you have it in your
          
                  
            2:25:07
          
          
            list. tock tick tock. Always,
always interested in what you
          
                  
            2:25:13
          
          
            have for your tick tock crime
your tick tock collection.
          
                  
            2:25:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is my
tick tock clip of the week. This
          
                  
            2:25:20
          
          
            is a round headed kid. It looks
like a very disturbed
          
                  
            2:25:25
          
          
            individual. Could be an actor,
but I don't think so. He is
          
                  
            2:25:31
          
          
            upset. terribly upset at Apple,
specifically for having
          
                  
            2:25:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: box all this you
sent me You texted me this,
          
                  
            2:25:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: I think for
having the meat emojis a vegan.
          
                  
            2:25:46
          
          
            And he and he's very upset with
Apple for having a meat emoji on
          
                  
            2:25:50
          
          
            its set of emojis. Here we go.
          
                  
            2:25:52
          
          
            Unknown: Yes. And those emojis
honestly should be illegal. I've
          
                  
            2:25:55
          
          
            been emailing Apple every single
day to remove the meat emojis
          
                  
            2:25:59
          
          
            from the iPhones and they're not
doing it. I don't know why
          
                  
            2:26:03
          
          
            they're not doing it. I've been
emailing them every single day
          
                  
            2:26:06
          
          
            to stop putting the meat emojis
in the phones, like it should be
          
                  
            2:26:11
          
          
            illegal. It's offensive to me.
And it's triggering to people
          
                  
            2:26:14
          
          
            like me who are vegan, it is so
triggering. And I don't know why
          
                  
            2:26:18
          
          
            they don't take them off the
iPhone because there's so
          
                  
            2:26:21
          
          
            triggering. There's a trigger
tock, tick tock.
          
                  
            2:26:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: And people wonder
why all the ad money is going to
          
                  
            2:26:30
          
          
            tick tock, come on.
Entertainment. I have a tick
          
                  
            2:26:34
          
          
            tock related clip from Matt to
Eb typically, we haven't done
          
                  
            2:26:37
          
          
            much about the the Twitter files
because it's been a lot of
          
                  
            2:26:41
          
          
            tweets. It's been, you know, sub
stacks, which don't really lend
          
                  
            2:26:45
          
          
            themselves very well. I mean, we
were a clip where a clip driven
          
                  
            2:26:49
          
          
            show. And I picked up this
minute and a half of him
          
                  
            2:26:53
          
          
            explaining, which I think is
good, how the ticker, the so
          
                  
            2:26:58
          
          
            called tic tac bill, the
Restrict act, what it is
          
                  
            2:27:03
          
          
            actually doing. And in, as it
pertains to the information he
          
                  
            2:27:08
          
          
            has gleaned from the Twitter
files, and of course, there's
          
                  
            2:27:11
          
          
            new information, new shit has
come to light,
          
                  
            2:27:13
          
          
            Unknown: where, you know, we
found a whole bunch of
          
                  
            2:27:15
          
          
            communications just recently
about in preparation for a
          
                  
            2:27:20
          
          
            hubbub, they were all having at
the Aspen Institute in 2021,
          
                  
            2:27:24
          
          
            where they were discussing ideas
like the Restrict Act, which is
          
                  
            2:27:29
          
          
            being proposed for you know, in
response to Tiktok, there's, I
          
                  
            2:27:32
          
          
            guess, the European Digital
Services Act, or whatever they
          
                  
            2:27:35
          
          
            call it. That's that they're
thinking about for the EU, all
          
                  
            2:27:40
          
          
            the ideas, and both of these
bills are sort of wish lists
          
                  
            2:27:44
          
          
            that have been passed around in
this community for a long time,
          
                  
            2:27:47
          
          
            the government's want absolute,
full and complete access to all
          
                  
            2:27:51
          
          
            data that these platforms
provide. And then they want a
          
                  
            2:27:56
          
          
            couple of other things that are
really important. They want it
          
                  
            2:27:59
          
          
            they want to have the authority
to come in and moderate, or at
          
                  
            2:28:04
          
          
            least be part of the process of
moderation. And they also want
          
                  
            2:28:08
          
          
            to for people who are called
like trusted flaggers. That's
          
                  
            2:28:12
          
          
            how it's described in the
European law. They want those
          
                  
            2:28:15
          
          
            folks to have access to these
platforms as well. And that what
          
                  
            2:28:19
          
          
            they mean by that, are these
sort of outside quasi
          
                  
            2:28:22
          
          
            governmental agencies who tell
these platforms, what they can
          
                  
            2:28:28
          
          
            and cannot print about things
like vaccine safety, right? And
          
                  
            2:28:33
          
          
            then we found out more about
that, where they're where
          
                  
            2:28:35
          
          
            they're openly talking about
censoring true information. So
          
                  
            2:28:40
          
          
            yeah, we're still finding out a
lot of stuff about this. And I
          
                  
            2:28:42
          
          
            think there is more to find,
unfortunately,
          
                  
            2:28:45
          
          
            Adam Curry: I love the trusted
flaggers. Show title. I have it
          
                  
            2:28:50
          
          
            written down as such. In fact,
there's one other thing that
          
                  
            2:28:54
          
          
            that is cruel, actually, too.
But as cropped up, then if you
          
                  
            2:28:58
          
          
            recall the first time and it was
Obama's original election or his
          
                  
            2:29:02
          
          
            reelection, there was a lot of
assertions about illegal
          
                  
            2:29:08
          
          
            campaign donations that
apparently were made with credit
          
                  
            2:29:11
          
          
            cards, et cetera, from China,
amongst other places. Do you
          
                  
            2:29:16
          
          
            recall this?
          
                  
            2:29:17
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yes, Obama had
set up a shop or somebody did
          
                  
            2:29:22
          
          
            for him. So you could take a lot
of small donations, a lot of
          
                  
            2:29:26
          
          
            Julian's of small donations over
his website, and it would appear
          
                  
            2:29:30
          
          
            as if, like, he had this
popular, supportive Jillian's of
          
                  
            2:29:34
          
          
            small donors, when in fact, it
was one or two aggregators that
          
                  
            2:29:38
          
          
            would then break up these
massive donations from China and
          
                  
            2:29:41
          
          
            the big farm and elsewhere and
feed it into the system as small
          
                  
            2:29:46
          
          
            donations that didn't need
necessarily to be reported.
          
                  
            2:29:50
          
          
            Correct. Yeah, I remember it.
          
                  
            2:29:52
          
          
            Adam Curry: So I think this is
related. There's a lawsuit going
          
                  
            2:29:55
          
          
            on right now. And Leonardo
DiCaprio is involved. eBenefits
          
                  
            2:30:00
          
          
            Would you listen to this from
ABC
          
                  
            2:30:02
          
          
            Unknown: this morning Leonardo
DiCaprio known for his roles
          
                  
            2:30:05
          
          
            like the hard charging
stockbroker in The Wolf of Wall
          
                  
            2:30:08
          
          
            Street.
          
                  
            2:30:09
          
          
            Something just came across my
desk John. It is perhaps the
          
                  
            2:30:12
          
          
            best thing I've seen in the last
six months has testified
          
                  
            2:30:16
          
          
            at the money laundering trial of
hip hop artists Pras Michel
          
                  
            2:30:19
          
          
            founding member of the Fujis,
saying they met in the 90s.
          
                  
            2:30:28
          
          
            Michelle was accused of
funneling millions into the US
          
                  
            2:30:31
          
          
            from a Malaysian businessman
named low take Joe for political
          
                  
            2:30:34
          
          
            contributions including for
Barack Obama's reelection
          
                  
            2:30:37
          
          
            campaign. Prosecutors claimed it
was part of a sophisticated
          
                  
            2:30:41
          
          
            political influencing scheme.
DiCaprio called by the
          
                  
            2:30:44
          
          
            prosecution said he first met
low in 2010. And lo eventually
          
                  
            2:30:49
          
          
            agreed to help finance Wolf of
Wall Street says I told you
          
                  
            2:30:55
          
          
            70,000 DiCaprio saying I was
given the green light by my team
          
                  
            2:30:59
          
          
            he was a legitimate business
person wanting to invest in the
          
                  
            2:31:02
          
          
            movie. DiCaprio also testifying
low discussed political
          
                  
            2:31:07
          
          
            contributions to Obama's
campaign, saying it was a
          
                  
            2:31:10
          
          
            significant sum something to the
tune of 20 to $30 million. Lowe
          
                  
            2:31:15
          
          
            is currently a fugitive,
Michelle is named as the CO
          
                  
            2:31:18
          
          
            defendant and has pleaded not
guilty.
          
                  
            2:31:22
          
          
            Adam Curry: And you know what I
find so amazing about this Fujis
          
                  
            2:31:26
          
          
            connection. Do you remember why
Cliff John, also of the Fujis
          
                  
            2:31:32
          
          
            was in Haiti and was going to
run for president after filing
          
                  
            2:31:36
          
          
            papers he was in? I mean, what
is it with the Fujis and all
          
                  
            2:31:40
          
          
            this corruption?
          
                  
            2:31:41
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, the
corruption I'm going to bring
          
                  
            2:31:43
          
          
            back this point I made in the
beginning of the show, which is
          
                  
            2:31:46
          
          
            go see this two part documentary
see either the crimes of Anthony
          
                  
            2:31:51
          
          
            Pellicano this sort of thing is,
this is in the movie.
          
                  
            2:31:56
          
          
            Adam Curry: And there was some
other story that we didn't
          
                  
            2:31:59
          
          
            discuss, but I had recently was
like FBI was this.
          
                  
            2:32:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Well, while
you're looking I do I have the
          
                  
            2:32:07
          
          
            clip by promise from last show
that I dug up, which was Rand
          
                  
            2:32:11
          
          
            Paul. Grilling, Anthony Blinken.
Yeah, about the papers that they
          
                  
            2:32:17
          
          
            want from the State Department,
they will not get this is Rand
          
                  
            2:32:19
          
          
            Paul Blinken final clip,
          
                  
            2:32:21
          
          
            Unknown: well, we don't want
your spin on it. We want to look
          
                  
            2:32:24
          
          
            at the documents.
          
                  
            2:32:25
          
          
            We're not providing spin, as I
said, I believe we can provide
          
                  
            2:32:28
          
          
            the information you're looking
for. We have long standing
          
                  
            2:32:30
          
          
            practices and procedures in
terms of actually providing
          
                  
            2:32:33
          
          
            documents and cables with this
committee, that we're not
          
                  
            2:32:36
          
          
            prepared to change. But in terms
of getting you the information
          
                  
            2:32:38
          
          
            you're looking for.
          
                  
            2:32:39
          
          
            And the only cables we have that
are of value we got leaked to us
          
                  
            2:32:42
          
          
            are actually they were
declassified by the Trump
          
                  
            2:32:44
          
          
            administration, those cables
said, and these were from some
          
                  
            2:32:47
          
          
            state department folks, and it
was amazing. And I don't
          
                  
            2:32:50
          
          
            actually fault anybody for
missing it. I'm sure there are
          
                  
            2:32:52
          
          
            1000s of cables. But in 19, in
2018 or 17, they were sending
          
                  
            2:32:59
          
          
            cables back saying holy you know
what they're over here working
          
                  
            2:33:03
          
          
            without gloves in unsafe
conditions. In a BSL two, that
          
                  
            2:33:06
          
          
            should be a BSL four, not a very
safe condition. And that's why
          
                  
            2:33:10
          
          
            some of our intelligence people
have leaned towards us coming
          
                  
            2:33:12
          
          
            from a lab. Why wouldn't you
want to help us? Why wouldn't
          
                  
            2:33:16
          
          
            everybody want to help us?
          
                  
            2:33:17
          
          
            I've seen those cables. You're
right. They've they've come out
          
                  
            2:33:20
          
          
            and I think what they said at
least as I read them was that
          
                  
            2:33:23
          
          
            there were concerns based on
State Department. Right? If
          
                  
            2:33:26
          
          
            it'll leave as
          
                  
            2:33:27
          
          
            we all know, those were not
someone who has gumption to
          
                  
            2:33:29
          
          
            declassify them
          
                  
            2:33:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: love to try and man
          
                  
            2:33:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: so i He's a gift
admirer Rand Paul, but there was
          
                  
            2:33:39
          
          
            something interesting about that
clip which was I was always
          
                  
            2:33:43
          
          
            under the impression that was a
BSL four never a BSL two nose
          
                  
            2:33:48
          
          
            handling the virus no I was I
was under the impression based
          
                  
            2:33:52
          
          
            on what we did for two years and
covering this this whole thing
          
                  
            2:33:55
          
          
            was it was a it was a poorly
operated BSL four
          
                  
            2:34:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes, yes yes. Khorat
          
                  
            2:34:03
          
          
            John C Dvorak: grade lab correct
one correct. That was just they
          
                  
            2:34:07
          
          
            had they were just sloppy. But
according to the leaked
          
                  
            2:34:11
          
          
            documents it was not a top rated
it was it was sanctuary rated
          
                  
            2:34:16
          
          
            Yeah, it was just a crummy to
begin with.
          
                  
            2:34:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: Hmm Well, that was a
lie then a big one a big lie.
          
                  
            2:34:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: So we were
buffaloed there that one we
          
                  
            2:34:26
          
          
            missed
          
                  
            2:34:27
          
          
            Adam Curry: I also swans that I
have here that apparently it was
          
                  
            2:34:32
          
          
            a it is where's this from? What
let me see what this is from
          
                  
            2:34:36
          
          
            this is from well Yahoo News. So
it's probably a P. Headline
          
                  
            2:34:40
          
          
            humans may not have spread COVID
to Wuhan market as raccoon dogs
          
                  
            2:34:45
          
          
            are not to blame for letting the
raccoon dogs off the hook.
          
                  
            2:34:49
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yay for the
raccoon dog.
          
                  
            2:34:53
          
          
            Adam Curry: Alright, let's talk
about let's talk about some
          
                  
            2:34:55
          
          
            conspiracy theories because I
only pulled about a minute and a
          
                  
            2:34:59
          
          
            half This from NPR to four
minutes in total. I think that
          
                  
            2:35:03
          
          
            they're trying to put some of
the bipoc people who were fired
          
                  
            2:35:06
          
          
            from the podcast division into
their normal reporting. So you
          
                  
            2:35:10
          
          
            know, I had to actually cut out
silences and stuff because it's
          
                  
            2:35:14
          
          
            done almost like W IO n when
they took this big, long, quiet
          
                  
            2:35:18
          
          
            pauses. I listen to
          
                  
            2:35:19
          
          
            Unknown: this. In the past
month, elected officials in the
          
                  
            2:35:22
          
          
            Netherlands and Poland have, by
the way,
          
                  
            2:35:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: you know, I grew up
in the Netherlands. I know who
          
                  
            2:35:26
          
          
            they're talking about. They're
talking about a guy I actually
          
                  
            2:35:29
          
          
            know I've talked with cherry Bo
de and he's done. He's done
          
                  
            2:35:33
          
          
            some, some pretty funny, Tik Tok
videos, ironically enough about
          
                  
            2:35:38
          
          
            this topic, but it's not like
he's Rambo. They make it sound
          
                  
            2:35:42
          
          
            like they're all nut jobs in
Holland, a lot of them are but
          
                  
            2:35:45
          
          
            Unknown: in the past month,
elected officials in the
          
                  
            2:35:48
          
          
            Netherlands and Poland have
accused their opponents of
          
                  
            2:35:50
          
          
            plotting to force people to eat
insects. The idea is also
          
                  
            2:35:54
          
          
            bubbling up in far right circles
in the US, and prs. Watching Nan
          
                  
            2:35:59
          
          
            reports on how a meme from
anonymous message boards is
          
                  
            2:36:03
          
          
            making the leap into real world
politics.
          
                  
            2:36:05
          
          
            If you follow far right media,
the message is plain and simple.
          
                  
            2:36:09
          
          
            The ruling
          
                  
            2:36:10
          
          
            class really, really wants us to
eat bugs.
          
                  
            2:36:14
          
          
            That's conservative media
personality. Mike who knows
          
                  
            2:36:16
          
          
            speaking last year,
          
                  
            2:36:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: by the way, I'm a
little upset NPR that you didn't
          
                  
            2:36:20
          
          
            put us in with the bug eating
because I think we've been on
          
                  
            2:36:23
          
          
            the forefront of this on the tip
          
                  
            2:36:24
          
          
            Unknown: of the jingles
          
                  
            2:36:26
          
          
            Adam Curry: we have. We have bug
eating jingles that go back
          
                  
            2:36:29
          
          
            years.
          
                  
            2:36:30
          
          
            Unknown: Using insects as a
source of protein is only at the
          
                  
            2:36:33
          
          
            edges of the policy debate when
it comes to cutting climate
          
                  
            2:36:36
          
          
            pollution from agriculture.
Scientists focus mainly on
          
                  
            2:36:40
          
          
            reducing meat consumption and
eating more plant based food.
          
                  
            2:36:43
          
          
            Although the idea is marginal,
various right wing media outlets
          
                  
            2:36:46
          
          
            use insect eating as a punch
line to mock climate movement.
          
                  
            2:36:50
          
          
            You know who won't be eating
bugs, climate change
          
                  
            2:36:52
          
          
            technocrats?
          
                  
            2:36:53
          
          
            I have some crickets here with
me behind me. What do you think?
          
                  
            2:36:58
          
          
            What do you think about when you
see this and think that
          
                  
            2:37:00
          
          
            government wants to put this in
your food
          
                  
            2:37:02
          
          
            those clips are from prison
planet and Prager University.
          
                  
            2:37:05
          
          
            Sir a neon off anti Defamation
League traced some of this
          
                  
            2:37:08
          
          
            rhetoric back to 2019 in threads
on the anonymous message board
          
                  
            2:37:12
          
          
            4chan, it
          
                  
            2:37:13
          
          
            kind of started out and
continues to be kind of a meme.
          
                  
            2:37:18
          
          
            So some people might be using it
earnestly and some people might
          
                  
            2:37:21
          
          
            be using it. Ironically,
          
                  
            2:37:23
          
          
            it started with comments below a
photo of climate activist Greta
          
                  
            2:37:27
          
          
            Thun Berg,
          
                  
            2:37:27
          
          
            they say over and over and over
again. I will not eat the bugs I
          
                  
            2:37:30
          
          
            will not eat the bugs.
          
                  
            2:37:33
          
          
            Then the phrase crossed over to
Twitter first by way of a white
          
                  
            2:37:36
          
          
            nationalist, then a crypto
advocate used it to poke fun at
          
                  
            2:37:41
          
          
            proposals to mitigate climate
change. Yet another early
          
                  
            2:37:44
          
          
            propagator of the phrase told
NPR he tweeted it only as a
          
                  
            2:37:48
          
          
            joke. Over time he has fused
into a darker conspiracy theory
          
                  
            2:37:52
          
          
            currently known as the Great
reset.
          
                  
            2:37:55
          
          
            Adam Curry: Okay, so it's all
          
                  
            2:38:00
          
          
            John C Dvorak: amateurs are they
putting in charge of that place?
          
                  
            2:38:03
          
          
            knew about any of this seven is
accurate?
          
                  
            2:38:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: It's from 4chan.
It's from 4chan. It's a
          
                  
            2:38:08
          
          
            conspiracy. The great reset as a
conspiracy. None of it's true.
          
                  
            2:38:11
          
          
            It's not true. Come on. We've
had the I like bugs thing for
          
                  
            2:38:16
          
          
            years. And now we want to watch
a real great reset is this is
          
                  
            2:38:21
          
          
            wishes the great reset. Here's
what's really happening.
          
                  
            2:38:23
          
          
            Everything's going to be great
reset this summer
          
                  
            2:38:26
          
          
            Unknown: travelers this summer
could be in for a bumpy ride, I
          
                  
            2:38:30
          
          
            think it's going to be a
troublesome summer. In a letter
          
                  
            2:38:32
          
          
            to airlines the Federal Aviation
Administration, citing a severe
          
                  
            2:38:36
          
          
            lack of air traffic controllers
could cause serious delays and
          
                  
            2:38:39
          
          
            cancellations agency predicting
delays to skyrocket up an
          
                  
            2:38:43
          
          
            estimated 45% in New York City
alone.
          
                  
            2:38:46
          
          
            Our goal is to make sure that
we're proactive and where we can
          
                  
            2:38:51
          
          
            be to be as predictive as we can
be to make sure that are in
          
                  
            2:38:54
          
          
            demand matches.
          
                  
            2:38:55
          
          
            impacted. Airports include New
York's JFK, LaGuardia Newark and
          
                  
            2:38:59
          
          
            DC is Reagan National last year
New York area airports around
          
                  
            2:39:03
          
          
            41,000 flight delays according
to the FAA, the agency is now
          
                  
            2:39:08
          
          
            pleading with airlines to cut
back on service asking for up to
          
                  
            2:39:12
          
          
            10% reduction in flights for
this summer season, the
          
                  
            2:39:15
          
          
            likelihood of ground delays will
decrease and that will help them
          
                  
            2:39:20
          
          
            maintain their schedules and the
airplanes that fly around the
          
                  
            2:39:25
          
          
            country throughout the day. They
will be on time more often
          
                  
            2:39:30
          
          
            to avoid traffic jams as travel
returns to pre pandemic levels
          
                  
            2:39:34
          
          
            and the summer surge commences.
Both united and Delta Airlines
          
                  
            2:39:38
          
          
            considering the offer so as NYC
based JetBlue. It co telling
          
                  
            2:39:43
          
          
            CNBC. We don't want to pull down
flights, but if we don't cut
          
                  
            2:39:47
          
          
            them, the system is not going to
be workable this summer. Experts
          
                  
            2:39:50
          
          
            say act now. So for those folks
who have not yet booked their
          
                  
            2:39:54
          
          
            summer travel plans, do so
immediately and be flexible with
          
                  
            2:39:58
          
          
            your summer plans.
          
                  
            2:40:00
          
          
            So rather than setting your
heart on New York City and maybe
          
                  
            2:40:03
          
          
            this is a sort of the universe
telling you couldn't be a good
          
                  
            2:40:06
          
          
            summer to go visit
          
                  
            2:40:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Chicago
          
                  
            2:40:09
          
          
            Unknown: to go visit the
Rockies.
          
                  
            2:40:12
          
          
            Travel is just on the horizon.
          
                  
            2:40:15
          
          
            Adam Curry: Oh, there you go.
They have no pilots, people,
          
                  
            2:40:18
          
          
            that's what's going on. Well,
there's
          
                  
            2:40:19
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that too. And
also the sound like a native ad
          
                  
            2:40:21
          
          
            for visiting Chicago, if these
airports are so you know, want
          
                  
            2:40:26
          
          
            to cut back can't do that. It
should be across the board.
          
                  
            2:40:29
          
          
            Everybody should be cut back.
10% is the they can close the
          
                  
            2:40:32
          
          
            slots. Just just volunteering
and one airline has to take a
          
                  
            2:40:38
          
          
            beating and their earnings and
there we had their total
          
                  
            2:40:40
          
          
            revenue. That's bullcrap.
          
                  
            2:40:43
          
          
            Adam Curry: Those are the ones
that are in the most trouble.
          
                  
            2:40:44
          
          
            That's why it's trying to get
them out of trouble. We're
          
                  
            2:40:47
          
          
            screwed with that's why you got
to get back to flying myself.
          
                  
            2:40:51
          
          
            John C Dvorak: You know, I
remember when I was a kid, here
          
                  
            2:40:53
          
          
            we go. flew to New York. And it
was like four years it was
          
                  
            2:40:58
          
          
            always sorry. We have to circle
around for a half
          
                  
            2:41:02
          
          
            Adam Curry: hour. I remember
circling. Yes. Yes.
          
                  
            2:41:05
          
          
            John C Dvorak: circling,
circling, circling, you finally
          
                  
            2:41:07
          
          
            land like an hour late. So
what's new?
          
                  
            2:41:12
          
          
            Adam Curry: I want to remind NPR
that you know your own seller
          
                  
            2:41:16
          
          
            Brady's have been teaching us
how to eat bugs. Remember Nicole
          
                  
            2:41:19
          
          
            Kidman
          
                  
            2:41:19
          
          
            Unknown: and Nicole Kidman and I
am going to eat for cos meal of
          
                  
            2:41:24
          
          
            bugs I just conspiracy theory.
Eating micro livestock hornworms
          
                  
            2:41:31
          
          
            there
          
                  
            2:41:31
          
          
            Adam Curry: okay, and then
remember the jingle How old is
          
                  
            2:41:34
          
          
            this jingle
          
                  
            2:41:42
          
          
            John C Dvorak: This is another
example of NPR falling down on
          
                  
            2:41:45
          
          
            the job. Really stick? I'm gonna
remind people don't give them
          
                  
            2:41:50
          
          
            your money. Give us the money
you were would give them? Yes.
          
                  
            2:41:57
          
          
            Adam Curry: Yes, I agree. And
then on the great reset taking
          
                  
            2:42:00
          
          
            place in France, who I believe
have now broken into and taking
          
                  
            2:42:07
          
          
            possession of the Black Rock
headquarters in in Ferris. Yeah,
          
                  
            2:42:12
          
          
            that's pensioners. Okay, that's
that's people who are 60 What 62
          
                  
            2:42:17
          
          
            or 61. And they're ready to
retire and they don't want to
          
                  
            2:42:20
          
          
            wait three more years. Oh, yeah.
That's who the people are here.
          
                  
            2:42:24
          
          
            This is an NPR clip. What do you
think this is about NPR.
          
                  
            2:42:28
          
          
            Unknown: Residents in Paris have
voted overwhelmingly to ban
          
                  
            2:42:32
          
          
            electric scooters in the city.
The 15,000 Scooters will be
          
                  
            2:42:36
          
          
            removed from the streets after
their contract ends in August.
          
                  
            2:42:39
          
          
            The scooters are popular with
tourists and people who don't
          
                  
            2:42:43
          
          
            want to drive or ride the
subway. But they're also seen as
          
                  
            2:42:46
          
          
            a traffic hazard.
          
                  
            2:42:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, the French want
your crap gone. Get it out of
          
                  
            2:42:51
          
          
            here. You stupid scooters, get
rid of them. The French are
          
                  
            2:42:55
          
          
            good. Well, at
          
                  
            2:42:57
          
          
            John C Dvorak: least they will
stand up to things I mean,
          
                  
            2:42:59
          
          
            that's a good dose things should
be gone. Yeah, nice. Those
          
                  
            2:43:03
          
          
            things flying around Paris is
bad enough to drive around
          
                  
            2:43:07
          
          
            there. I'm gonna show my school
by donating to no agenda.
          
                  
            2:43:11
          
          
            Unknown: Imagine all the people
who could do that. Oh yeah,
          
                  
            2:43:13
          
          
            that'd be fun
          
                  
            2:43:22
          
          
            John C Dvorak: and we do have a
few people to thank for show
          
                  
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            1544 And if I have starting off
with Bruce Schwalm, the Schwalm
          
                  
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            family in Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania comes up with
          
                  
            2:43:36
          
          
            $133.88 Zavier Vasquez in San
Diego 12345. New Hampshire
          
                  
            2:43:44
          
          
            meetup comes in with 115. And
they sent us a couple of big
          
                  
            2:43:48
          
          
            photos. You get these things.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: The beautiful photos
of you and myself. They look
          
                  
            2:43:53
          
          
            great.
          
                  
            2:43:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: There's a
question for each one. Oh,
          
                  
            2:43:56
          
          
            what's the least I have? I have
one question, John. How come the
          
                  
            2:44:01
          
          
            Democrats always is Why is
Minnesota or Minneapolis a
          
                  
            2:44:06
          
          
            Democratic stronghold? Why is it
strong the same way? The reason
          
                  
            2:44:09
          
          
            is in California because they
found a way to rig the elections
          
                  
            2:44:13
          
          
            and dress Ivalo says next on the
list he's in Denison, Texas.
          
                  
            2:44:18
          
          
            $100 John Robin $100 Kevin
McAtee in Centennial, Colorado
          
                  
            2:44:24
          
          
            $100 Jeffrey Dykstra and Sparta
Ontario, Canada $100 Got back
          
                  
            2:44:32
          
          
            from the taxman in Canada, Brian
Chambliss in Attica, Indiana
          
                  
            2:44:36
          
          
            $100. John Siebert in Auburn,
California, Canada bucks
          
                  
            2:44:41
          
          
            Adam Curry: and I just say one
thing about this particular
          
                  
            2:44:43
          
          
            donation, this is a numeral
numeral logical donation. 33,371
          
                  
            2:44:49
          
          
            Satoshis. So that's a 333 and 71
for your birthday.
          
                  
            2:44:53
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's
skewed. How it came up to
          
                  
            2:44:56
          
          
            exactly 100 is amazing. I carry
Jackson Watertown. Tennessee 100
          
                  
            2:45:01
          
          
            Baron anonymous cop in San
Carlos, California, our buddy
          
                  
            2:45:05
          
          
            9933 He's the one who had
etsy.com bootleg coins see a
          
                  
            2:45:13
          
          
            bootleg coin ca Okay, that's
where he's got all his patches
          
                  
            2:45:17
          
          
            and stuff. I think for sale, too
loud pipes in Charlotte, North
          
                  
            2:45:19
          
          
            Carolina at 47 T Lance says SNI
in Bastrop Texas 808 And he says
          
                  
            2:45:34
          
          
            there's a show error.
          
                  
            2:45:37
          
          
            Adam Curry: Look at SB five six
A Yeah, yeah, I've been going
          
                  
            2:45:39
          
          
            back and forth with him.
          
                  
            2:45:40
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Okay anonymous in
Mount Airy, Maryland 808. And
          
                  
            2:45:45
          
          
            there he is. Kevin McLaughlin,
Sir Kevin and Lucas North
          
                  
            2:45:50
          
          
            Carolina. 808. Matthew Snyder in
San Francisco also 808 And to
          
                  
            2:45:55
          
          
            round it off with even one more.
Daniel Nevada in Parts Unknown.
          
                  
            2:46:01
          
          
            808 Bradford Rams in which tall
falls Wichita Falls, Texas 75.
          
                  
            2:46:10
          
          
            Why when when Kartini in
Torrington, Connecticut 7421
          
                  
            2:46:16
          
          
            Sure Rain Man in Canyon Texas 72
Christian with a happy birthday.
          
                  
            2:46:21
          
          
            Christian Sutton Jensen in my
Marinette Marinette Marinette,
          
                  
            2:46:28
          
          
            Marinette, Wisconsin 7199 with
another happy birthday and he's
          
                  
            2:46:34
          
          
            always been following us y'all
gonna be happy birthdays. At
          
                  
            2:46:37
          
          
            least for some time here. Dane
Becky Katy, Texas 7171 Adam
          
                  
            2:46:42
          
          
            Provencher in Toronto, Ontario
7169 Harvey Smith, North
          
                  
            2:46:49
          
          
            Weymouth, Massachusetts 7166 And
now the following people all
          
                  
            2:46:55
          
          
            donated $71 Even which was the
the birthday donation to
          
                  
            2:47:00
          
          
            celebrate my 71 years doing the
podcast
          
                  
            2:47:05
          
          
            Adam Curry: feels like it
          
                  
            2:47:07
          
          
            John C Dvorak: started with John
Kumar in London, UK que Christi
          
                  
            2:47:11
          
          
            de gaz de gaz in Vista Avia
hills, Alabama, Scott Riley in
          
                  
            2:47:17
          
          
            Meridian, Idaho, Megan Lauro in
Huntington Beach, California.
          
                  
            2:47:23
          
          
            Varun Rob and light in Holland,
Jordan Olson in Bellevue,
          
                  
            2:47:29
          
          
            Nebraska, Darrell Hansen in New
Zealand. Michael Graham and
          
                  
            2:47:37
          
          
            Gilbert Arizona console. Francis
Lambert Inc. Oh, I don't know
          
                  
            2:47:44
          
          
            what that is. Maybe it's a law
firm in Montreal, Quebec. Kurt
          
                  
            2:47:49
          
          
            Kirk, I'm sorry, Barnett in
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Walter
          
                  
            2:47:55
          
          
            Hill back in Essen Deutschland
Casey gray in Grand Prairie
          
                  
            2:48:01
          
          
            Texas, Rick Jansen and Round
Rock Texas. Health karma for
          
                  
            2:48:07
          
          
            everyone around Christopher
O'Rourke in Oak Lawn Illinois.
          
                  
            2:48:12
          
          
            Where's Chela Barton in Monday,
Texas University douching where
          
                  
            2:48:18
          
          
            she needs it. Oops, sorry.
          
                  
            2:48:21
          
          
            Adam Curry: That's the wrong
that to.
          
                  
            2:48:26
          
          
            Unknown: You've been de
          
                  
            2:48:27
          
          
            deuced
          
                  
            2:48:29
          
          
            John C Dvorak: James Agee in
Umatilla. Florida. Colin Pettit
          
                  
            2:48:36
          
          
            in Fairfield, Iowa. Laura Rankin
in Austin, Texas. Max Boyd in
          
                  
            2:48:42
          
          
            Edmond, Oklahoma. Joseph Hawkins
in Jonesborough. Illinois.
          
                  
            2:48:46
          
          
            Christopher Baker in Dallas.
David, how many how many how
          
                  
            2:48:51
          
          
            many in Broken Arrow Oklahoma.
El speck in Harlan Holland. And
          
                  
            2:49:00
          
          
            he said wait a minute. What is
this he had a Polish birthday
          
                  
            2:49:03
          
          
            have Bob birthday with a bolo
Screaming Eagle? Yeah, I don't
          
                  
            2:49:07
          
          
            think so. I wish Sarah Stein
steenland in Brentwood,
          
                  
            2:49:13
          
          
            Tennessee. Sir William and
Bainbridge Island Washington.
          
                  
            2:49:17
          
          
            Michael Burke in Kalamazoo,
Michigan. Sir. What do you think
          
                  
            2:49:22
          
          
            that says? I'm gonna stay 30 4am
Monk, whatever. Huntington Beach
          
                  
            2:49:29
          
          
            Christopher grain Covington
Louisiana sir. Roti Jo.
          
                  
            2:49:34
          
          
            Adam Curry: Dream monk. Steam
monk, st three st
          
                  
            2:49:38
          
          
            John C Dvorak: and Medina. Okay,
that's what it is. Good. I would
          
                  
            2:49:42
          
          
            have IT resident hacks our
expert, sir roadie Joe in
          
                  
            2:49:47
          
          
            Odenton Maryland Surbhi boop. In
New Brighton, Minnesota. Sir
          
                  
            2:49:54
          
          
            daddy cast in Mechanicsville,
Virginia. He's buried at the
          
                  
            2:49:58
          
          
            center of the universe. William
key Bidwell in Dover Delaware.
          
                  
            2:50:02
          
          
            Craig Porter in Carlsbad,
Brandon Logan in Athens,
          
                  
            2:50:06
          
          
            Georgia, Jana Joerg Gergana
Gergana young Cova in in the UK,
          
                  
            2:50:13
          
          
            Mark Stokes burry in Centennial,
Colorado. Chris Kenny in Allen,
          
                  
            2:50:21
          
          
            Texas, another kidney donation
from the family. It was all his
          
                  
            2:50:25
          
          
            birthdays lined up. David Fergus
zotoh and Gladstone, Missouri,
          
                  
            2:50:31
          
          
            John munching in Bastrop, Texas.
Jill presnel in Wichita, Kansas
          
                  
            2:50:39
          
          
            Blair Williams in Austin, Texas
Derek Chanel in Watkins,
          
                  
            2:50:43
          
          
            Minnesota. Scott Walker in
Flushing, New York. Joe Kellogg
          
                  
            2:50:48
          
          
            in Bethany Illinois, James
Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake
          
                  
            2:50:51
          
          
            Colorado, Timothy Bhojpur.
shears in Cookeville, Tennessee.
          
                  
            2:50:57
          
          
            A yawn Leclerc in Lawrence
viler. Luxembourg, thank you
          
                  
            2:51:02
          
          
            very much from Luxembourg. I
would birthdays for him, or
          
                  
            2:51:06
          
          
            Yeah, him. Lester Tarr kowski.
in Kingman, Arizona. Daniel
          
                  
            2:51:11
          
          
            Martin in Harrisonburg,
Virginia. Brous quarry in Rego
          
                  
            2:51:15
          
          
            Park, New York, Mike McCoy in
Schaumburg, Illinois. Gabriel
          
                  
            2:51:21
          
          
            Adams in Blackfoot, Idaho.
Birthdays there to Michael
          
                  
            2:51:26
          
          
            riobel. In Eddystone,
Pennsylvania, Jody McGonigal in
          
                  
            2:51:34
          
          
            bid for it in Maine. William jar
is in Mount Juliet, Tennessee
          
                  
            2:51:40
          
          
            who needs a D douching.
          
                  
            2:51:43
          
          
            Unknown: You've been de deuced
          
                  
            2:51:45
          
          
            John C Dvorak: John L Marini in
Forestville California. Nice
          
                  
            2:51:49
          
          
            area. John Doyle in Mount
Pleasant, Wisconsin. Shreeve nas
          
                  
            2:51:54
          
          
            murdy are Brahman in Culpeper,
Virginia. Kevin McLaughlin is
          
                  
            2:52:01
          
          
            back with 71 Thank you, Kevin.
That's, that's nice. John lander
          
                  
            2:52:07
          
          
            and and Clancy Montana, Richard
Robinson in Spring, Texas, and
          
                  
            2:52:13
          
          
            he I don't know what he has.
James Green in El flan, North
          
                  
            2:52:18
          
          
            Carolina. F land, E F, la nd
Rita Harrington and sparks
          
                  
            2:52:24
          
          
            Nevada, Christopher Hayden in
Lincoln, Nebraska, Dan stone in
          
                  
            2:52:29
          
          
            San Francisco. Sarah Gardner in
Wilmington, North Carolina, Jodi
          
                  
            2:52:36
          
          
            cudicini in Austin, Texas.
Baroness Monica in Drayton
          
                  
            2:52:41
          
          
            Valley, Alberta, where the money
used to be. Jay Schweikert in
          
                  
            2:52:45
          
          
            Wichita, Kansas deem me out
Edison in ultimate Springs,
          
                  
            2:52:50
          
          
            Florida. Sir Austin in
Sammamish, Washington, Daniel
          
                  
            2:52:57
          
          
            parks in Lakeville, Minnesota
nuts. And Daniel plain old
          
                  
            2:53:02
          
          
            Daniel from Parts Unknown. All
these are bitcoins and so as
          
                  
            2:53:06
          
          
            Chad F, and Ben blessing extends
it or actually is ends with Chad
          
                  
            2:53:12
          
          
            F. That's all our well wishes. I
want to thank each and every one
          
                  
            2:53:15
          
          
            of them for saying happy
birthday to me. It's very
          
                  
            2:53:18
          
          
            appreciated. It's great. And
then we start with the rest of
          
                  
            2:53:22
          
          
            these with Ben blessing. And
Lubbock. 6230 Brian Furley 5110
          
                  
            2:53:28
          
          
            Tom dari 5510 I'm sorry, Farley
was 5510 to Troy funderburk 55
          
                  
            2:53:37
          
          
            and then 50 to 80 from Michael
gates chef's catch in beauty
          
                  
            2:53:42
          
          
            point, US Australian Tasmania to
do 150 Bob Butler and coming
          
                  
            2:53:48
          
          
            Georgia 5069 And the following
people as we wrap it up our $50
          
                  
            2:53:53
          
          
            donors name and locations and a
Drake the top of the list in
          
                  
            2:53:58
          
          
            white town Indiana, James Shara
met at Napa NOC Kurt Patrick
          
                  
            2:54:04
          
          
            nine amo nine amo Victoria
Island BC, Jacob Martinez and El
          
                  
            2:54:11
          
          
            montay California. Charles
Peterson in Albuquerque, New
          
                  
            2:54:15
          
          
            Mexico along with his wife
Tracy,
          
                  
            2:54:18
          
          
            Adam Curry: and he wants to get
the credit and douching
          
                  
            2:54:22
          
          
            Unknown: you've been de deuced
          
                  
            2:54:24
          
          
            John C Dvorak: Why would she
want to credit when she has her
          
                  
            2:54:26
          
          
            own donation right under his
Well, if
          
                  
            2:54:28
          
          
            Adam Curry: you read the note,
he says he donated 50 for both
          
                  
            2:54:31
          
          
            but he wanted her to get
everything. So yeah,
          
                  
            2:54:35
          
          
            John C Dvorak: that's $100
donation from Tracy Peters and
          
                  
            2:54:37
          
          
            then there you go Danielle first
in Kona Wisconsin Villareal
          
                  
            2:54:42
          
          
            Villareal Alex's avala in Kyle,
Texas, Michael Lemare, or Lebar,
          
                  
            2:54:49
          
          
            in Williamston, Michigan, Philip
Kusa, Minh offski in Austin,
          
                  
            2:54:57
          
          
            Jonathan Farris and liberal
candidate Kansas So Ryan Tiernan
          
                  
            2:55:01
          
          
            in North Providence, Rhode
Island, Matthew Smith in
          
                  
            2:55:05
          
          
            Colchester, UK, Paul Terra Nova
in Webster, Massachusetts, Jason
          
                  
            2:55:11
          
          
            deluzy Oh sir Jason in Miami
Beach Brian watch sin Sir Brian
          
                  
            2:55:15
          
          
            in Raleigh, North Carolina and
last on the list. Anonymous in
          
                  
            2:55:20
          
          
            Minnesota
          
                  
            2:55:24
          
          
            Adam Curry: How about that
people love to go your people
          
                  
            2:55:27
          
          
            love you people love chick
magnet. Of course thanks
          
                  
            2:55:31
          
          
            everyone else who came in under
$50 For reasons of anonymity or
          
                  
            2:55:34
          
          
            you are on one of those
sustaining donations which are
          
                  
            2:55:37
          
          
            very important to us. To quick
make goods. We finally got the
          
                  
            2:55:40
          
          
            note from Baron West who donated
on the previous show something
          
                  
            2:55:44
          
          
            went wrong with the email it was
$333 and he says, Your analysis
          
                  
            2:55:47
          
          
            and last episode about COVID
school situation the screen
          
                  
            2:55:50
          
          
            autism trend shooter medicated
children and the replacement of
          
                  
            2:55:53
          
          
            Black Lives Matter was
fantastic. That is why I keep
          
                  
            2:55:56
          
          
            listening. I've already sent it
to some friends and thank you to
          
                  
            2:55:58
          
          
            Dr. Scott's chapters. Dred Scott
executive producer today and
          
                  
            2:56:02
          
          
            Archduke it really makes sharing
easy thank you also for the hard
          
                  
            2:56:06
          
          
            work you both put into the show
it's of great value to me Baron
          
                  
            2:56:09
          
          
            west of the balderdash beer
bourbon and balderdash podcast,
          
                  
            2:56:12
          
          
            and the producer who donated
$1,000 became executive producer
          
                  
            2:56:19
          
          
            for episode 1539. He has
requested that his knighthood go
          
                  
            2:56:23
          
          
            to Taunton Neil as no agenda
artists Taunton Neil and she
          
                  
            2:56:27
          
          
            become an official no agenda
Dame and we will make that
          
                  
            2:56:30
          
          
            happened today Agnes Nice, very
nice. And we thank everybody for
          
                  
            2:56:34
          
          
            supporting the show for making
John field the chick magnet that
          
                  
            2:56:38
          
          
            he is and for keeping no agenda
on the rails we appreciate it to
          
                  
            2:56:42
          
          
            become a producer go here for a
little bit of karma since it was
          
                  
            2:56:48
          
          
            requested here and
          
                  
            2:56:49
          
          
            Unknown: there you've got
          
                  
            2:57:01
          
          
            Adam Curry: we do have some of
those birthdays quite a list
          
                  
            2:57:03
          
          
            actually. We've got Sir Thomas
McKean, celebrate on the second
          
                  
            2:57:07
          
          
            spend Gronholm turn 41 yesterday
and says Happy Birthday to her
          
                  
            2:57:11
          
          
            daughter. Isla, who turns 16
niece, Leona turning five and
          
                  
            2:57:17
          
          
            best friend's daughter l turning
three all yesterday. Barbie
          
                  
            2:57:20
          
          
            Schmidt celebrated yesterday
that Gabriel Adams wishes a
          
                  
            2:57:23
          
          
            happy birthday to his chickens.
Eight one apparently named Adam
          
                  
            2:57:27
          
          
            C one named John C Dame Becky
and Sir Mike say happy birthday
          
                  
            2:57:30
          
          
            to Chris Keaney. Turning 47
Today Dame Courtney scar to be
          
                  
            2:57:35
          
          
            in Gitmo FEMA Region number five
was Chicago Kate Happy Birthday.
          
                  
            2:57:38
          
          
            She's not a serial killer, but
it's her birthday today. Jana
          
                  
            2:57:41
          
          
            cleric celebrating its 10th Rob
Happy birthday was smokin hot
          
                  
            2:57:44
          
          
            wife Jade. She turns 30 and
certified father's turning 75
          
                  
            2:57:49
          
          
            Happy birthday from everybody
here at the best podcast in the
          
                  
            2:57:52
          
          
            universe. And we have
          
                  
            2:58:03
          
          
            Unknown: don't want to be
induced.
          
                  
            2:58:04
          
          
            Adam Curry: No, no, no, he's no
douchebag he did a lot for the
          
                  
            2:58:07
          
          
            show. We're talking about Dred
Scott. He already was at Duke.
          
                  
            2:58:10
          
          
            He does the chapters for every
single episode. He's a huge
          
                  
            2:58:13
          
          
            proponent of podcast and 2.0
appreciate everything you do. We
          
                  
            2:58:17
          
          
            know him as the Bruce Wayne of
podcaster 2.0. Today, Archduke
          
                  
            2:58:21
          
          
            Dred Scott is now or Duke Dred
Scott becomes the Archduke Dred
          
                  
            2:58:25
          
          
            Scott of The Southern California
mega region. And we thank you
          
                  
            2:58:29
          
          
            for all that you do good serve.
And we have one Damon one night
          
                  
            2:58:32
          
          
            to do today. It was nice to have
that. Oh, there was a birthday
          
                  
            2:58:36
          
          
            blade on the podium. Ladies
first Taunton Neil, you're up.
          
                  
            2:58:42
          
          
            And Larry, welcome both of you
to the round table and I'm very
          
                  
            2:58:46
          
          
            proud to pronounce the k d as
Dame Thompson Neil unless you
          
                  
            2:58:50
          
          
            want some melt. And Sir up. Now
night and Dame have the no
          
                  
            2:58:54
          
          
            agenda round table for you.
We've got the regular fare, no
          
                  
            2:58:57
          
          
            special request. But of course
you want hookers and blow rent
          
                  
            2:59:00
          
          
            boys and Chardonnay cookies and
vodka. We got to keep those
          
                  
            2:59:03
          
          
            tequila fish pie and fellatio.
We've got redheads and Rhys
          
                  
            2:59:07
          
          
            beers, a blonde stupidness we're
gonna roast a geisha Saki vaca
          
                  
            2:59:10
          
          
            Manila bong hits and bourbon,
sparkling cider and escorts
          
                  
            2:59:13
          
          
            ginger ale and Jerboas breast
milk and pablum baby just wants
          
                  
            2:59:18
          
          
            mutton and Mead. It's a favorite
everybody loves it here go to no
          
                  
            2:59:21
          
          
            agenda rings.com that anybody
can go there take a look at
          
                  
            2:59:25
          
          
            those handsome rings that you
get as a night or day of the
          
                  
            2:59:27
          
          
            roundtable and of course if both
are newly minted Dame and Sir if
          
                  
            2:59:31
          
          
            they would give us our their
ring size and address we'll get
          
                  
            2:59:34
          
          
            those off to you as soon as
possible. Thank you for
          
                  
            2:59:36
          
          
            supporting the no agenda show
best podcast in the universe.
          
                  
            2:59:45
          
          
            We got one meetup from the
Mississippi meet up report
          
                  
            2:59:49
          
          
            actually,
          
                  
            2:59:50
          
          
            Unknown: in the morning John and
Adam. This is our Mississippi
          
                  
            2:59:53
          
          
            premiere reason for me to this
is Tony and Kendra. This is our
          
                  
            2:59:57
          
          
            third meet up and I just want
you guys to know Oh, that I'm
          
                  
            3:00:00
          
          
            working on an AI application.
And this is what it's gonna do.
          
                  
            3:00:03
          
          
            It's gonna find the perfect
weedeater for John. And then I'm
          
                  
            3:00:07
          
          
            gonna send it to him so you can
verify if it's working or not.
          
                  
            3:00:10
          
          
            This is Sir foreman. Another
good meetup in the books thank
          
                  
            3:00:13
          
          
            you for your courage
          
                  
            3:00:15
          
          
            in the morning. This is to
firsthand meet up. Love you guys
          
                  
            3:00:19
          
          
            today. I'm
          
                  
            3:00:19
          
          
            John C Dvorak: being deep in the
morning, this is Bella I'm here
          
                  
            3:00:24
          
          
            because Darryl needed a
designated driver. Hey guys
          
                  
            3:00:28
          
          
            can't wait to see you in
Nashville. Adam. This is Darrell
          
                  
            3:00:31
          
          
            Deville future night and obey
ants. And they say oh hell is
          
                  
            3:00:36
          
          
            gonna break loose and you're
gonna need a Bitcoin.
          
                  
            3:00:39
          
          
            Adam Curry: I know if we deduce
that meetup participant.
          
                  
            3:00:44
          
          
            Unknown: You've been de douche
tweeted
          
                  
            3:00:47
          
          
            Adam Curry: so far ago earlier
in the show. Saturday, there is
          
                  
            3:00:51
          
          
            a meetup in Portland, Oregon.
Dick's primal Burgard is
          
                  
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            Portland second Saturday slave
soiree six o'clock make sure you
          
                  
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            catch that coming up. I mean, if
we're April we have Bellevue New
          
                  
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            Paltz, New York, Houston, Texas
Mobile, Alabama Kernersville
          
                  
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            North Carolina Toms River New
Jersey mines Germany's
          
                  
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            Cincinnati, Ohio Star Idaho
Riverside, California Crown
          
                  
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            Point Indiana, Zurich,
Switzerland, Westfield, Indiana
          
                  
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            Madison, Tennessee Fort Wayne,
Indiana. Charlotte North
          
                  
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            Carolina Roanoke Virginia man
Nantucket, Massachusetts
          
                  
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            Nantucket. Nice one how many
people are there Cacioppo, North
          
                  
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            Brabant, the Netherlands
Budapest in Hungary? Where were
          
                  
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            you nationwide and worldwide and
badass? Yes, we are San Antonio,
          
                  
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            Texas, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania,
Iowa City, Iowa Salt Lake City,
          
                  
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            Utah, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
Navia. Camarillo, Canada,
          
                  
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            California. hookset North
hookset North Hampshire, New
          
                  
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            Hampshire, Garner North
Carolina, Charlotte, North
          
                  
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            Carolina Longview, Texas,
Toronto, Canada. I mean, there's
          
                  
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            so much to so many meetups to go
to you have no excuse but above
          
                  
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            all, you will like this
community you will meet people
          
                  
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            there that will become friends
you might even meet a future
          
                  
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            knight or Dame for yourself no
agenda meetups go to no agenda
          
                  
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            meet ups.com Regardless of where
it is,
          
                  
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            Unknown: sometimes you want to
go hang out with Dyson days.
          
                  
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            You'd
          
                  
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            be triggered
          
                  
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            you to be where everybody feels
the same regardless
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: of where it is. It's
always like a party's like what
          
                  
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            I wanted to say crashed into it.
Cool. Let me see. Oh, yeah,
          
                  
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            well, we're overtime. Overtime.
Overtime. Reclaiming my time.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: What can we get
some ISOs to do?
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Yeah, hold on a
second to get rid of all this.
          
                  
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            Let me see where I am. Okay.
Where are your ISOs? I see them
          
                  
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            here.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: What you got to
start with threat.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: threat,
          
                  
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            Unknown: catastrophic threat to
humanity.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: Okay, I'm liking
that once. Okay. triggering. So
          
                  
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            trigger ageia That's from your
meat emoji kid. Yeah, pretty
          
                  
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            good. Pretty good. And he's a
good ones jump.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: And then your
favorite smart point.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: It's such a smart
point. And no, it's not my
          
                  
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            favorite at all. So far. I like
what I like the most is
          
                  
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            Unknown: bush that threatened me
feel that again. Catastrophic
          
                  
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            threat to humanity.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I like that one. But
you see what I have. I have
          
                  
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            Unknown: some very serious
concerns about this.
          
                  
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            Little long went along. I've got
rabble rousers
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: got some rabble
rouser. I got this one evil
          
                  
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            people. And maybe this maybe
this will be the winner. Quack
          
                  
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            quack quack. I thought that was
reasonably reasonably good. Jake
          
                  
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            Tapper. Quack.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: is cute. By
disparaging I thought I'd rather
          
                  
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            had the threat to humanity,
threat to humanity.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I'm okay with threat
to humanity. And I think we have
          
                  
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            one more clip. Do you want to go
because we that's where we're
          
                  
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            at.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: I think we can
conclude these clips can go to
          
                  
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            the next show.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: I think you're
right. You're absolutely right.
          
                  
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            Here's what's coming up next. On
no agenda. stream.com If you're
          
                  
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            still in one of those swanky new
podcast apps, we've got angry
          
                  
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            tech news with Sir Ryan bemrose.
Broken values the title of this
          
                  
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            one no idea with us about and
end of show mixes we have just a
          
                  
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            couple here. I bring them up.
We've got what do we have? We
          
                  
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            got Maddie J. And we have our
one
          
                  
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            Unknown: on habit here.
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: The other one was
Secret Agent Paul. Classic
          
                  
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            Secret Agent Paul. Yes, it's a
good one. And the guy is the guy
          
                  
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            is just dying. Am I the guy? And
coming you from the heart of the
          
                  
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            Texas hill country here in FEMA
Region number six, happy
          
                  
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            birthday, John and in the
morning, I'm Adam curry.
          
                  
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            John C Dvorak: Yes. And from
Northern Silicon Valley where I
          
                  
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            appreciate the birthday
greetings, and I'm still
          
                  
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            wondering about my zip code
being important. I'm John C.
          
                  
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            Dvorak. We
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: return on Sunday
right here on no agenda. Please
          
                  
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            remember us at the
vortech.org/na Until then, enjoy
          
                  
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            your meetups. Adios mofos a hui
Hui n such
          
                  
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            Unknown: My name is Joe Biden.
I'm Dr. Joe Biden. I got my
          
                  
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            cheese ice cream chocolate chip,
chocolate chip ice cream and
          
                  
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            chocolate chocolate chip
          
                  
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            and Joe Biden eat ice cream.
Well some people think that's
          
                  
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            all I do is eat ice cream. I
love ice cream always have
          
                  
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            chocolate chip not a joke. I
learned about kids jumping up my
          
                  
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            ladder. And I love kids jumping
on my lap you've been with your
          
                  
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            mother I can smell ice cream. So
what the whole refrigerator
          
                  
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            chocolate chocolate chip ice got
a commercial light chocolate
          
                  
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            chip ice cream I've got a United
States Senate drive my truck
          
                  
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            probably had hot dogs and
          
                  
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            Donald Trump thinks health care
is a privilege rockin I think
          
                  
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            it's a right for people at Bad
Cat care
          
                  
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            remember when we said he was
Don't say you weren't
          
                  
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            effective strategy to mobilize
to pressure
          
                  
            3:06:47
          
          
            No Man's camel she's got her eye
on the prize
          
                  
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            come on you
          
                  
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            Adam Curry: stand up what am I
talking about?
          
                  
            3:07:42
          
          
            Unknown: You're making everybody
else
          
                  
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            he doesn't know where he is Is
it real
          
                  
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            won't be many more days takes
place you
          
                  
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            says
          
                  
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            oh she's still alive is your dad
fast? God bless her soul. I
          
                  
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            gotta get this straight.
          
                  
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            I was on the phone for two
straight hours where she's up
          
                  
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            but you know they're gonna get
moving our lunch. China is going
          
                  
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            to go once. Thank you all for
welcoming us
          
                  
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            man
          
                  
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            Joy don't need the war on.
          
                  
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            mopho.org/in a catastrophic
threat to humanity.