0:00
John C Dvorak: He slippery,
slippery. He's very, very
0:02
Adam Curry: slippery.
0:03
Unknown: Adam curry Jhansi
Dvorak
0:05
Adam Curry: April 13 2023 This
Year Award Winning Combination
0:09
media assassination episode 1546
0:12
Unknown: This is no agenda.
0:14
Adam Curry: Miss flopping in
Fort Lauderdale and broadcasting
0:17
live from the heart of the Texas
hill country here in the region
0:20
number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry
0:23
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where he evolved
0:26
notice that Jamie Oliver cannot
cook those meals in 15 minutes.
0:29
He's full of it. I'm just eating
borax.
0:35
Adam Curry: I agree. I agree.
It's a sham man. Look at that
0:39
guy only as a total Sham, total
Sham. Hey, I had Horowitz I was
0:45
texting with Horowitz up until
like 11 Last night 1130 He was
0:48
free up to he was freaking out.
But what Oh, you didn't hear
0:52
about the flooding.
0:54
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised he
0:58
didn't get flooded.
0:58
Adam Curry: So he had there was
well it was two more feet to go
1:02
at around 1130 before his house
would start the flooding. And
1:07
the high tide wasn't expected
until 3am.
1:12
John C Dvorak: To be up all
night,
1:13
Adam Curry: you of course he was
and so have
1:15
John C Dvorak: you seen this you
see the films This is
1:17
unbelievable. Let's
1:18
Unknown: get back to South
Florida where over 20 inches of
1:22
rain fell yesterday into the
overnight parts of South South
1:26
Florida catastrophic flash
flooding as supercells stalled
1:30
even spun up multiple tornadic
circulations but the water was
1:34
everywhere with nowhere to go
and it just kept coming. This
1:38
person trying to walk through
the water with luggage at the
1:41
Fort Lauderdale Airport, which
was close look at this water
1:45
easily up to their knees you can
barely make out where the road
1:48
where the sidewalk is. And this
person even swimming in the
1:52
street
1:53
Adam Curry: tore Natick
circulations. I like that.
1:56
John C Dvorak: I was looking at
this report last last night
1:59
there. They were talking about
moments of eight inches of rain
2:04
an hour.
2:05
Adam Curry: It was insane. And
so he wound up six inches short
2:09
of flooding.
2:12
John C Dvorak: He got lucky.
2:13
Adam Curry: Have you ever been
to his house? In Fort
2:15
Lauderdale? No. So you know he
has his is this you know it's
2:18
not a big house but he has a
small dock and and his boat is
2:22
parked right out back? Yeah. So
the boat was almost floating
2:25
into his backyard, his barbecue,
his whole Tiki hut I think I
2:29
don't know it was stuff was
floating away. And he had just
2:32
just six inches before the House
would flood. That's crazy.
2:36
That's crazy. Well, of course,
we know. We know obviously, that
2:41
this is climate change. And
right on cue ABC this morning.
2:45
Unknown: A new study warns sea
levels are rising in the south
2:48
accelerating rapidly since 2010.
Putting 10s of millions in the
2:52
path of future floods
2:54
we haven't seen anything
comparable of over the past
2:59
century.
3:00
The study's co author says sea
levels along the southeast and
3:03
Gulf Coast are rising at rates
unprecedented in at least one
3:07
120 years, rising nearly five
inches just since 2010. That's
3:13
about double the global rate
3:16
not only increasing along the
coast there but it extends into
3:19
the adjacent North Atlantic
Ocean and into the Caribbean Sea
3:24
humans in part to blame for the
rising sea levels. due to
3:27
greenhouse gases and aerosols.
3:29
We could attribute approximately
40% of the acceleration to
3:35
manmade climate change. But 60%
of it is natural climate
3:42
variability naturally balanced
that always occur.
3:47
We say hurricanes have been more
severe in recent years due to
3:52
higher sea levels and storm
surge, including hurricane
3:55
Michael in 2018.
3:57
It's been very traumatic. I just
I can't hardly eat. Sleep is
4:07
unthinkable.
4:08
Michael hit Florida's panhandle
as a category five. And
4:13
hurricane in last year claimed
the lives of more than 100
4:16
people in Florida. I don't have
the house, I don't know where to
4:19
go. And scientists continue to
warn that we need to turn to
4:24
clean energy but we also must
adapt to the higher sea levels
4:28
because they say we may not see
the full impact of the changes
4:31
we make today for generations.
Oh, we'll
4:34
Adam Curry: keep this going for
generations. Nice. Yeah, nice.
4:40
You know, I'm very disappointed
though. Not a single report that
4:43
had fish flopping in Miami.
4:45
John C Dvorak: I you know, I was
gonna say the same thing where
4:47
the fish in the streets
4:49
Adam Curry: are the fish
flopping around. But man, the
4:52
climate change. They're really
coming down now especially in
4:56
California. I'm sure you've
heard about this. This law that
4:59
passed about electricity rates
and that you know the well you
5:04
have PSE and G and S, D, G and E
and all these different
5:07
electricity companies have to
come up with ways to implement
5:10
this law. Did you hear about
this law? This probably equity
5:14
law. Yeah, listen to those
equity lawyer that'll stop
5:18
climate change. Oh, no, it
won't, but it'll make
5:20
Unknown: people poor this change
wouldn't go into effect for at
5:23
least another year or more
essentially, people would be
5:26
billed based on their income. So
while a lot of customers will
5:29
wind up saving money, others
could pay more
5:33
legislature passed a law last
year that requires a real
5:37
fundamental change in how
electricity is priced in the
5:41
state of California that law
5:43
says Scott Crider, STG knees
Vice President of External
5:46
Affairs and Operations Support
requires California utility
5:49
companies come up with a fixed
rate plan as a way to help
5:52
stabilize rates make billing
more equitable criteria laid
5:55
down with me to talk about STG
knees joint proposal with pg&e
5:59
and SoCal Edison saying it
differs greatly from how
6:02
customers are billed. Now,
currently, you not only pay for
6:05
how much electricity your
household uses, but other things
6:08
such as how that electricity is
deliver, both prices vary month
6:12
to month. SDG nice plan is to
offer residential customers a
6:16
fixed delivery rate every month,
no matter how much electricity
6:19
is used,
6:20
by having a fixed price for the
delivery portion of
6:24
Adam Curry: John, when this gets
implemented, I am sending 20
6:28
Bitcoin miners to your house.
Because we can just use as much
6:32
as we want and print Bitcoin for
free. Basically, this is crazy
6:37
Unknown: that we can actually
reduce the remaining electricity
6:41
rate by about 42%, which
6:42
Adam Curry: oh, we're gonna
reduce everyone's gonna win, of
6:45
Unknown: course that look like
under the current billing system
6:48
at 47 cents per kilowatt hour,
the average customer pays $188
6:53
per month, under the fixed rate
proposal, they pay $181. Here's
6:58
a breakdown of where you'd fall
based on your income pay
7:00
attention, households making
less than $28,000 a year would
7:04
pay a fixed delivery rate of $24
per month 169,000. That fixed
7:09
price goes up to $34. Between 69
and $180,000 $73. Households
7:17
making over $180,000 will pay
$128 a month, everyone's average
7:23
kilowatt hour rate drops from 47
cents to 27. Posle is income
7:28
base. But some people feel
uncomfortable about giving away
7:31
their financial information.
7:34
We would agree we don't want
customers financial information.
7:37
Our perspective is the state it
will be very, very capable to be
7:41
able to do this and really be
able to send us the data that's
7:45
needed.
7:46
Adam Curry: I lived in Los
Angeles in 2009. I was not
7:49
paying $188 a month for
electricity.
7:54
John C Dvorak: I'm not paying I
mean, I'll take that. I'll take
7:56
that though. Everything they
said I did. Yeah, but you don't
7:59
think that's actually
7:59
Adam Curry: true. I mean, how
can they do that? I mean,
8:03
John C Dvorak: I can do it. I do
get this bullcrap.
8:06
Adam Curry: Well, what do you
mean, it's a law that passed and
8:08
there
8:09
John C Dvorak: hasn't been
implemented and when and they
8:12
breached and they pushed these
off, so it's not implemented
8:14
right away is so the courts can
come in and say, Now you can't
8:19
do this because it's illegal. He
gets kickback and then the
8:23
government has tried I tried but
the courts I've seen this a
8:29
million times is California
politics.
8:31
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, that
makes Well that makes me feel
8:33
better for you and sad about my
wife. I
8:35
John C Dvorak: was gonna get a
good deal from the sounds of it.
8:37
Yeah.
8:37
Adam Curry: Well, I was I was I
was saving for the Bitcoin
8:39
miners. I'm ready. Let's go go
go. Hey, does does Jay have
8:44
room? I mean, no white JC in his
house there.
8:47
John C Dvorak: Everybody's got
enough room for a few miners.
8:50
Adam Curry: A few miners your
way. Wow. But I mean this it's
8:55
just wow, what is squeaking? Is
that your chair? That is a
8:58
squeak sorry. Sure. But I was
reading about tech companies.
9:03
The Bloomberg a Bloomberg is all
in on this. And they had a
9:08
Autodesk Autodesk a big company
I think Autodesk Oh yeah, huge.
9:12
Autodesk This is from Bloomberg
is proud of its bonafide as a
9:16
clean company. It reports it
feeties I like bonafides Yes,
9:21
bone a fetus. Okay. It reports
the Wendling emissions and
9:25
invest millions in technology
aimed at improving the
9:28
environment. There's one hitch
watch this company become an
9:32
investable. It's its software is
used to design and operate
9:36
machinery for the biggest coal
mine complex in Europe's in
9:41
Europe fully production at the
pits owned by German energy
9:45
giant go after Microsoft and
everywhere in the world.
9:49
Exactly. It's being expanded
ahead of the 2030 phase out of
9:52
the highly polluting energy
source climate activist Greta
9:55
Thornburg was detained there in
January. So yeah, they're going
9:59
after them. they did on
investable because they are not
10:02
green. They're going to get a
bad ESG score.
10:04
Unknown: Yeah, good.
10:09
John C Dvorak: Man, Greta
Sternberg.
10:12
Adam Curry: So on the heels of
all this, you know, they
10:15
continue to push fake meat
manufactured meat, you know,
10:22
just no meat. That's probably
that's probably the hardest push
10:26
no meat at all. CNN COMM And
writing on cube with another
10:30
one, these bull crap companies.
10:32
Unknown: We've developed modular
platforms that can 3d print
10:37
meats, real meat, not something
that mimics weeds. So it all
10:42
starts with a cell that is
collected from a real animal in
10:46
an ethical way without harming
the animal, a real animal.
10:49
Afterwards, we differentiate the
cells into either muscle cells,
10:53
or fat cells, we load the cells
into our bioink and load them in
10:59
fire our printers we can decide
exactly what's the fat
11:03
percentage and composition of
steak. Definitely 3d print
11:07
steak, you take it into an
incubation and maturation
11:10
process, meaning that the muscle
fibers connect one to each
11:14
other. As this whole industry
will evolve, we will see more
11:17
advanced products that will
replace the state that we are
11:20
used to eat in the
11:21
Adam Curry: restaurant. How
about the steak, I eat it home,
11:23
forget the restaurant. The other
strip portion of the process
11:28
looks completely undoable. But
even in the Netherlands, they're
11:32
now saying, you know, too much
red meat that people consume the
11:37
Dutch the Dutch is really
costing seven and a half euros
11:43
per kilo in health care costs
you see, because you eat the red
11:47
meat and you get sick, and then
everyone has to pay for your
11:51
colon cancer. So they so they
want to increase a tax of seven
11:58
euros per kilo of meat. And this
is how and of course the
12:03
Netherlands is the number one
country
12:04
John C Dvorak: is about $3.50 a
pound on top of which you're
12:07
already paying.
12:08
Adam Curry: correct about that?
Yeah. In tax in the Netherlands
12:13
is the number one country for
food and food texture and taste
12:17
products chemicals.
12:20
John C Dvorak: Yes, it sounds
like this tax is just done for
12:22
the purposes of pushing yeah
marketing their own businesses
12:26
marketing marketing,
12:27
Adam Curry: the other company
marketing scam. So Texas slim
12:30
came by. He stopped over on his
one of his many travels. He had
12:35
just come back from promoting
the beef initiative in
12:37
Australia. So I got to kind of a
boots on the ground in
12:40
Australia. He says and I hate to
say it for our producers. He
12:44
says Australia is lost. He said
it's a food desert. Everyone's
12:49
eating colorful packaged
chemicals. They literally they
12:54
literally are getting you know
crap beef from China or whatever
12:59
it was, whatever it is, or
through China, but it's not a US
13:01
not even Australian beef. And he
gave me a few
13:05
John C Dvorak: I forgot could
because God knows there's not
13:07
enough space in Australia to
have a herd of cattle.
13:10
Adam Curry: Well, they take that
cattle in the in the Chinese eat
13:13
it as caviar. That's not that's
the whole joke of it. And so he
13:18
brought me back one of those new
Australian dollar $5 bills,
13:24
John C Dvorak: plastic, plastic,
but
13:26
Adam Curry: check it out. It's
so the so the whole thing is
13:28
here. The whole thing is
plastic. But Canada too. But the
13:34
middle part, probably about an
inch in with is clear plastic,
13:40
almost like the bill is
disintegrating before your eyes.
13:45
And this is little hole, which
I'm sure it's like some plastic
13:48
watermark to prove its
authenticity. And that's also
13:50
clear to the bill looks like it
looks like it's dissolving,
13:55
which of course is a beautiful
metaphor. And he says
13:58
everybody's on electronic
electronic money. They don't
14:00
even use the plastic money
anymore. And all of it's being
14:04
tracked and they're getting
their carbon credit score on
14:07
their credit card bills or their
debit card bills. They're lost
14:13
the computer going
14:14
John C Dvorak: to be completely
under control. I feel that with
14:16
this began when they took all
their guns away. Yeah,
14:18
Adam Curry: exactly. That's what
he said everyone says. And also
14:22
there's some give me up this
whole push for Africa that we've
14:26
been seeing from, you know,
certainly European countries or
14:30
Russia, China and pathetic
attempts by our A Blinken and
14:38
Kamala Harris that apparently is
also to raise beef in Africa.
14:44
And we might as well do it there
so we can have our cell cultured
14:47
meat here. No, no, I haven't
heard that. Yeah, this is new.
14:52
This is new. Yep, it's Africa.
That's where they want to win. I
14:57
want to I want to know on the on
the Download make that the bread
15:00
Ask it cheap come as cheap
15:02
John C Dvorak: plenty of land as
cheap as good
15:07
Adam Curry: Oh all right so got
that off my chest we're all
15:09
gonna die for climate change
everybody but don't worry
15:12
everything we're doing now will
take generations to see the
15:14
effects so let's keep going to
point the train rollin keep
15:18
enrolling people now of course
before then we will all die from
15:26
AI Artificial Intelligence I was
talking to Christina she is
15:33
pretty level headed but she even
got the programming dad I think
15:38
a we're all gonna die he is
gonna take over it's thinking
15:41
for itself now. Christina
15:45
John C Dvorak: speaking for
itself Yeah,
15:48
Adam Curry: my new line is AI
will become real when enough
15:50
humans trust it to achieve
Idiocracy. That's one of the
15:53
yeah then we'll die when we're
when we think that Gatorade will
15:56
sit will save us
15:58
John C Dvorak: electrolytes
15:59
Adam Curry: Alexa electrolyte so
how do you do this? How do you
16:03
start to shepherd this? You and
I agree total bull crap in this
16:07
this unaffordable bull crap. We
have no business model for it.
16:11
No one's gonna pay for a chat
GPT command line. So the first
16:16
thing you do is you you create
news anchors which are wholly
16:21
unconvincing.
16:25
Unknown: Diamond check the
Polson Oh Rihanna and we begin
16:27
with some TV debuts making us
nervous about our job security.
16:31
That's
16:31
because their new anchors are
powered by artificial
16:34
intelligence. First there Santa
was a green daily news updates
16:37
on India Today her boss calls
her tireless and ageless.
16:41
She started by doing the weather
16:43
and you forgot it's really good
to have the sun back. I don't
16:46
really like the cold or rain.
That's the national government.
16:49
Joining the ranks of AI anchors
is Fetta from Kuwaiti news she's
16:54
updating the news on Twitter.
16:56
Adam Curry: Okay very
convincing. We should be very
16:58
afraid of this but yet we got
another another little chink
17:01
then a little chink in the
armor. And then I
17:04
John C Dvorak: like to Federer
as it does a name because it's
17:06
just a pretty cheesy
17:08
Adam Curry: Well, unfortunately,
they write it f e D h a is I
17:11
guess it's some some Arabic name
but Fetta works for me too, is
17:16
cheese. But now we got to go to
France 2014 where they're hyping
17:20
it up because Ali Baba is
coming.
17:22
Unknown: Yeah, in China. We're
seeing a lot of movement on this
17:25
front. Because a new artificial
intelligence model has now been
17:28
released by Alibaba, no less.
Justice authorities in Beijing
17:32
are looking to impose their own
rules on this sector. Now
17:35
Alibaba has released a
generative artificial
17:37
intelligence platform designed
to rival the Microsoft back chat
17:42
GPT Google and Chinese tech
giant Baidu are among those who
17:46
have already unveiled similar
platforms. Now Alibaba says its
17:50
version will be integrated into
its own apps in the near future.
17:55
The chat bot is called tongue
week 10 When which means truth
17:59
from 1000 questions. It's said
to be able to draft letters or
18:02
trip itineraries advise shoppers
on what cosmetics to buy,
18:06
summarize. But it's unlikely to
have free rein because China's
18:11
cyberspace Security
Administration published its own
18:14
guidelines for artificial
intelligence, saying that a
18:17
security assessment will be
required before they're allowed
18:20
to go live. Chat bots in China
will have to quote reflect the
18:24
core values of socialism and not
subvert state power. Developer
18:30
first will also have to ensure
the technology doesn't
18:32
discriminate based on ethnicity,
race or gender, and that it
18:36
doesn't generate false
information. Now, we don't know
18:39
how those draft rules might
Elementor but governments and
18:43
business leaders around the
world are paying close attention
18:45
to this fast developing sector.
Italy has banned chat GPT
18:49
altogether and figures within
the tech industry including Elon
18:53
Musk have warned that things
could spin out of control if the
18:56
technology is rolled out too
quickly.
18:58
Adam Curry: It's gonna spin out
of that's gonna spin out of
19:02
control completely breathless.
Yeah, well she she sees her job
19:05
is on the line she sees Fetta
coming up and you heard case
19:09
might not be as bad but the best
report I got and and now this is
19:15
so full of holes. Is this from
Arizona local television. They
19:20
had a whole pack that I'm not
even going to play the opening
19:23
headline do through through
scary scary scary Oh, no AI here
19:28
straight into the package.
19:31
Unknown: The phone number was
unfamiliar. Jennifer Stefano
19:33
almost let it go to voicemail.
But her 15 year old was out of
19:38
town skiing. Maybe there had
been an accident.
19:41
I pick up the phone and I hear
my daughter's voice and it says
19:44
mom and she's sobbing as what
happened and she's like, Mom, I
19:50
messed up and she's sobbing and
crying. And then I hear a man's
19:54
voice say put your head back lie
down. And then like wait, what's
19:57
what's going on? And this man
gets on the phone And he's like,
20:00
listen here. I've got your
daughter. This is how it's gonna
20:03
go down. He called the police.
You call anybody I'm gonna pop
20:07
or something so full of drugs.
I'm gonna have my way with her
20:09
and I drop her off in Mexico.
And at that moment I just
20:12
started shaking. I'm like, what?
In the background? She's going
20:14
help me Mom, please help me help
me falling. And you have
20:17
absolutely
20:18
no doubt in your mind that that
was her voice.
20:19
Oh, what 100% Her voice? Her
voice it was never a question of
20:25
you know who is is or it was
completely her voice. It was her
20:29
inflection. It was the way she
would have cried never doubted
20:33
for one second it was her.
That's what the freaky part that
20:36
really got me to my core.
20:39
There wasn't any of it. It was
just a clone. Created by
20:42
artificial intelligence, you
20:44
can no longer trust your ears.
Bringing the
20:48
Indian guy he's an expert on
potty is a computer science
20:51
professor at Arizona State who
specializes in AI. He says voice
20:54
cloning technology is rapidly
improving
20:57
meow. There are ways in which
you can do this with just three
21:01
seconds of your voice. So within
three seconds, you can come
21:04
extremely close to how exactly
you sound. And you don't even
21:08
need any special equipments. I
chose a free program for a test
21:12
and I'm not actually talking.
21:14
Adam Curry: So then she she does
her own voice which doesn't
21:16
sound like her at
21:17
John C Dvorak: all. You know
this scam that was just
21:21
described by this woman who's to
fake kidnapping that has been
21:25
that's decades old. Also, and
they have to have somebody in
21:31
the backyard mom help me mother.
And it's always my daughter she
21:35
don't you imagine is her and
meanwhile your your daughter's
21:39
at school. This is nothing new
21:41
Adam Curry: will notice the kid
was on a skiing trip. I'm
21:45
thinking they were punking her
mom or doing something or you
21:48
know, the end the whole story
that never come back to it. How
21:52
do we know that it wasn't true?
How do we don't know any of
21:54
this? amp and this Mom, I'm
sorry. First she says she
21:59
doesn't sound distressed at all
about this horrible thing that
22:02
happened to her. And she
couldn't be 100% My daughter
22:07
100% My daughter, huh? But these
types of stories you know it
22:13
literally this news reporter I
think got an instruction do a
22:19
story. Okay, I'll find something
don't worry.
22:22
John C Dvorak: No. That's
exactly how it works.
22:26
Adam Curry: And we're not always
wrong. When we look at stories
22:30
that have a different headline
today. Just before the show. I
22:34
read a rest made in San
Francisco killing of Bob Lee.
22:39
Remember the guy who got
stabbed? Right. Tech execs
22:45
alleged killer also worked in
tech. It appears he was they
22:50
were in the same car. There was
some kind of argument and the
22:53
guy stabbed him. The guy has
been arrested. It was sold to us
22:57
as crime in San Francisco. And
what did we say? Sounds like a
23:04
hit.
23:08
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's what
the first thing comes to mind.
23:10
The way they describe the
situation. Yeah. So we'll see
23:16
how I mean the guy's resume told
us about the use roaming around
23:20
walking around the streets. Not
walking around, stabbed. And
23:25
then somebody came up to him and
they saw the they have video
23:29
Yep. guy gets stabs him for no
good reason and runs off and
23:33
they can't find the guy. Now how
does that even work? If he was
23:37
already stabbed in a car, and
then what was it kicked out of
23:41
the car? I mean,
23:43
Adam Curry: I know I'm still I'm
still waiting for the hit
23:45
reporting. Of course, is
dubious. All of the news is
23:51
dubious.
23:51
John C Dvorak: You know, a lot
of this AI bot thing. I think a
23:54
lot of it might be also a setup
minor one. But it's set up for
24:02
the idea that the Chinese are
running these, these pro Trump
24:07
bots.
24:08
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. And of
course Elon isn't stopping them
24:12
on Twitter.
24:14
John C Dvorak: Well, I have a
report. My friend, Laura Lopez
24:20
from PBS is the woman who claims
that the riots in 2020 the
24:27
George Floyd riots were a right
wing.
24:31
Adam Curry: Right wing?
Portland. Yeah,
24:36
John C Dvorak: she made that
assertion has somebody on to
24:38
prove it. She gets weird. You
know what it is? I think she's
24:42
she finds these weird guests.
And in this case, you're gonna
24:45
have to kind of bear with who's
actually in this report. And
24:50
then you'll see it's, it's, it's
just the it they're no good.
24:56
Okay. Let's listen to this as
PBS Laura Lopez As I got Rudy,
25:01
Rudy and I don't know what that
is supposed to mean, Russia and
25:04
Rudy and bots won.
25:05
Unknown: In the wake of former
President Donald Trump's
25:07
indictment, there's been an
explosion of foreign
25:10
interference aimed at dividing
the American electorate and
25:14
sowing distrust in institutions.
Laura Barone, lo
25:17
Pelling brings us this exclusive
25:19
Adam Curry: selling distrust and
insert What did they have a
25:22
price tag? What is this? What is
this leading, selling distrust
25:26
in institutions? That by itself
is dubious.
25:31
John C Dvorak: But PBS NewsHour
has been is dubious
25:36
Adam Curry: to say they are
selling sewing or selling I
25:38
heard selling was it so she said
selling oh, maybe she says
25:42
Unknown: again dividing the
American electorate and sewing
25:45
Adam Curry: okay showing Oh, no
take sewing. But even then
25:49
dividing the
25:49
Unknown: American electorate
frying distrust in institutions.
25:53
Laura Barone Lopez brings us
this exclusive data.
25:57
New research shared first with
news our shows a covert effort
26:00
by Russian and Chinese backed
actors to interfere with
26:03
American news and opinions about
Trump's arrest. The analysis
26:07
comes from the global security
and intelligence firm Soufan
26:10
Center and the data science firm
limbic. Here's what they learned
26:14
as news of the indictment broke
and Trump was arraigned, the
26:17
volume of online posts about the
former president spiked, going
26:21
from the typical 26,000 posts
every day to more than 448,000.
26:27
helping drive that engagement
were automated fake accounts
26:30
known as bots. These accounts
are closely linked to the
26:33
Russian and Chinese government's
operating with the tacit
26:37
approval of the state. They
share Russian and Chinese state
26:40
media articles across multiple
platforms or retweet them and on
26:45
Twitter. The Amplified support
for Trump during the
26:47
arraignment.
26:49
Adam Curry: Amplified oh they
amplified Okay, the Soufan
26:52
center this is this is a new
actor.
26:56
John C Dvorak: Yeah, first of
all, before you start looking
26:59
both these guys up, I'll tell
you a couple of things. Their
27:02
intelligence wannabes. Both of
them
27:05
Adam Curry: started by former
FBI Special Agent Ali Soufan.
27:09
John C Dvorak: Yeah he's the one
guy's got some connection ran.
27:15
But there's a one to be
operation you can tell there's
27:19
no connection to the limbic is
worse. The limbic guy who she
27:23
brings on never says that he's
the founder never just has like
27:29
one of the many employees in
fact he's the founder and I look
27:33
you couldn't you can't find
anything if you go to their
27:35
website lamb ik the olympic.com
It's, it's it's still voted is
27:43
all that's missing is the guy
with a pick axe under
27:46
construction thing you know that
27:49
Adam Curry: way he has, he has
one link our product. Our
27:52
product is defense operating
system. It empowers partners to
27:57
prepare for leverage and respond
to information threats, Edge
28:01
scale at scale.
28:07
John C Dvorak: So you have to
look at the edge website does
28:09
not finished and realize that
this company started seven years
28:15
ago.
28:16
Adam Curry: And TSG. The Soufan
Center is one of their partners.
28:23
Of course, but stay tuned. Stay
tuned for an update to our site
28:26
soon.
28:28
John C Dvorak: Seven years have
gone by. I looked into this guy.
28:33
He's he does have a LinkedIn
page and it talks about how he
28:36
started this operation seven
years ago and he can't He's
28:40
seven years he can't do a
website. I mean, that's almost
28:42
as bad as us. Yeah, I don't want
to hear it. Almost back to
28:50
Unknown: to unpack what this
means and what we can do going
28:52
forward. I'm joined by two of
the experts behind these
28:55
findings. Colin Clark of the
Soufan center, and Zach's Witzke
28:59
of Olympic, Zach and Colin
thanks for joining Colin first
29:02
to millions. This
29:03
Adam Curry: is great. I cannot
believe that this got made it
29:07
onto PBS
29:09
John C Dvorak: or Canada Laura
Lopez woman she's this is her
29:13
old specialty. She's
29:14
Adam Curry: gullible. That's
what she's gullible.
29:16
John C Dvorak: I think so. Yeah.
Oh,
29:19
Adam Curry: and by the way, the
guy from the Soufan Center p
29:22
looks like Agent Smith. He's got
the He's got the whole skinny
29:26
black tie the whole thing going
on neck. Yeah, good luck.
29:30
Unknown: Thanks for joining,
Colin, first to you millions of
29:33
people across the world posts on
social media about news every
29:37
day all the time. Why should
people be alarmed about these
29:41
findings?
29:42
Well, I think there's a couple
of reasons and I'll give you two
29:45
in particular. One is the intent
behind the actors. These are
29:50
Russian and Chinese linked
actors that are seeking to
29:52
divide the United States. They
want to weaken the US and they
29:56
do that by driving debate on
divisive of topics. Also the
30:02
political environment that we're
currently in. The current
30:05
climate is highly partisan and
polarized. And so it's tailor
30:09
made for these types of
interventions. The second is
30:12
that they're pushing their own
narratives. They're attempting
30:14
to achieve their own objectives,
and doing so by spreading false
30:18
information that's now then gets
picked up by American citizens
30:22
and passed along.
30:24
And Zach, here's one example of
what you guys found. You point
30:28
to a Russian back bot at Peter
dabit. A gab account that's
30:32
posting dozens of times a day.
30:35
Adam Curry: Gab accounts
30:41
John C Dvorak: gab account
30:42
Unknown: Peter dabit a gab
account this posting dozens of
30:45
times a day, including this post
about Trump's quote, dodgy
30:49
indictment, explain what's
happening here.
30:51
Yeah, yeah, I think it's really
interesting to look at this
30:53
because it's really a symptom of
what we're seeing more broadly
30:57
that there's an authentic
activity. And this is a very
31:01
good example, because you see
the image that the profile is
31:05
uses from American media.
There's no biography seeing, you
31:08
know, I think 45,000 posts to
gab and a lot of what we're
31:13
seeing from this account in
particular, which is consistent
31:16
with a lot of the unauthentic
activity is posting or
31:20
retweeting from publications
like RT and platforms like VK.
31:25
Adam Curry: This, oh, my
goodness, this is pathetic. It
31:32
just is truly all that God has
gab. Gab is their main source of
31:37
information. I mean, by the way,
31:40
John C Dvorak: looked at gab for
three, four years I looked at
31:43
when it started, and that was
about it.
31:45
Adam Curry: I mean, I have
Soufan let me just see ya. So
31:50
they have their 2019 form 990
shows they get they had a
31:54
whopping $400,000 in income. No
578.
32:00
John C Dvorak: Really? Yeah.
Have you looked on their
32:02
webpage? They have about 50
people working there? Well make
32:08
it 10 grand a year?
32:09
Adam Curry: Well, let me see.
None of the none of the
32:12
directors are making any money.
Meredith Stricker, the executive
32:15
directors making $105,000. So
they must have spent it on
32:19
freelancers were also that where
else could it have gone?
32:21
Actually, I can probably tell
you what one was to the next
32:23
clip, while I'm taking a look at
that.
32:25
Unknown: And what was
interesting about this situation
32:28
is normally what we had seen, in
previous news cycles focused on
32:33
Trump was it was very positive
for the former president in this
32:37
case. And in this example, we
started to see state backed or
32:43
state affiliated accounts like
this one, sort of playing both
32:47
sides of the former President
32:51
of Russian state media, and this
has primarily been a Russian
32:55
playbook so far this information
warfare, or the Chinese getting
33:00
in on add a new element here.
33:02
They are the rough, you know,
this
33:03
Adam Curry: is I'm sorry, this
this reporter who is who I think
33:08
you and I agree, was a diversity
hire after Judy keeled over and
33:13
had to leave. But this is the
Dylan Mulvaney of PBS. This is
33:19
hurting PBS. Yes, this is
33:22
John C Dvorak: not hurting PBS
at the least. People are lapping
33:25
this up like there's no
tomorrow. She brings in sketchy
33:28
people to do interviews with I
don't know where what her
33:31
Rolodex looks like, but it's
terrible. And of course, she had
33:34
you pointed out I didn't realize
this that both the limbic and
33:38
the SU fan operation are
interconnected with the through
33:43
the back door nurse partners,
the partners, and both of them
33:48
are losers and phonies.
33:50
Adam Curry: So they spent, they
spent $346,000 on our other
33:55
salaries and compensation.
Outside of the right, we have to
34:00
actually deduct the 150 and 150
from it. So 200 grand, is just
34:06
people who sent a couple of
invoices. I don't know, I don't
34:08
know if this is just a website,
man. There's not much going on
34:11
here. Now that was 2019 because
they are woefully late on their
34:17
990 filings. But who cares? Who
cares? Who cares about
34:22
2020 2021 2022
34:24
John C Dvorak: You gotta
remember Lim big group. He
34:26
started that seven years ago
still hasn't finished the
34:28
website. Let's finish this. This
is the kind of sources she has
34:32
and brings on to PBS so everyone
can lap it up.
34:36
Unknown: I'm gonna pull the clip
back a bit and RT is that
34:39
Russian state media and Colin
This is primarily been a Russian
34:43
playbook so far this information
warfare or the Chinese getting
34:47
in on it a new element here
34:49
they are. The Russians are in
the lead and they do this for a
34:53
number of reasons. One, it's a
great return on investment for
34:57
them cost pennies on the dollar
compared to kind Have more
35:00
kinetic options, attempts to
build their own conventional
35:03
military. Why?
35:05
Adam Curry: don't convince
attempts to wait a minute? Let's
35:08
hear the end again, hold on
35:10
Unknown: compared to kind of
more kinetic options, attempts
35:13
to build their own conventional
military out. They don't have a
35:16
John C Dvorak: military I guess.
They use this they use bots,
35:21
chat bots, instead of building a
conventional military. It says
35:26
cheaper.
35:27
Adam Curry: That always reminds
me of that's what he said, Yes,
35:30
it's much cheaper because it
works. We also upped trumpet get
35:34
elected, it worked. This is good
stuff. I have hoped that Laura
35:41
Lopez has a long career at PBS
at all I
35:45
John C Dvorak: know it's gonna
be it's gonna be fruitful for
35:47
us. Yeah, we'll keep us in
35:49
Adam Curry: good graces for a
long, long time. Very nice.
35:53
John C Dvorak: So now he
continues to the Chinese are
35:55
taking a clue because why should
they spend money on the military
35:59
when this is cheaper,
36:00
Unknown: and China's noticing
they're seeing that it's
36:03
effective, that it's cheap. And
they're not only helping promote
36:06
Russian disinformation
narratives online, but they're
36:09
learning in the process. And so
they're honing their own skills
36:12
and an attempt to kind of copy
the Russian playbook as they
36:15
rolled out and use this in
tandem with a more aggressive
36:18
foreign policy.
36:19
And Zack, we saw Russia as I
just said, Do this in 2016.
36:24
Specifically, Senate
Intelligence found that in 26
36:28
happened,
36:28
Adam Curry: did you get it
something? Nope, let me hear.
36:32
Unknown: And Zack, we saw
Russia, as I just said, Do this
36:35
in 2016. It specifically
36:37
Adam Curry: was an edit
something went wrong there.
36:40
Either was hurt. She's sick, or
something like
36:42
Unknown: we saw Russia, as I
just said, Do this in 2016.
36:46
Specifically, Senate
Intelligence found that in 2016,
36:50
that Russia targeted African
Americans on social media to
36:54
create racial divisions. But
36:57
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on hold. I
just got to stop this clip here.
37:00
That was the joy read a dos a
Russian bots, which mo
37:06
completely destroyed that whole
lie. It was American descendants
37:11
of slavery, real people who were
tweeting, but we couldn't have
37:15
that. So Ben Joy read MSNBC
launched the Oh, no, that's,
37:19
that's Russian bots. And here it
is on your PBS state affiliated
37:24
media,
37:24
Unknown: Russia targeted African
Americans on social media to
37:28
create racial divisions. But now
some of these accounts appear
37:33
harder to attribute directly to
Russia. So how has this social
37:37
media? Well, again,
37:41
John C Dvorak: if there are now
how are they doing all this
37:43
attribution, if they're harder
to attribute? Do they have any
37:47
evidence of anything? They're
saying? I don't know. I'll play
37:50
the clip further. And we'll see
37:52
Unknown: fair evolved since
2016. Yeah,
37:55
that's a great question. If I
can take a step back just for a
37:59
second, the work we do at
Olympic really, first and
38:02
foremost focuses on are there
narratives related to a
38:06
particular issue like, you know,
this Trump indictment or the
38:09
election in 2016, that are
resonating with different
38:13
audiences across the country?
And if the answer to that is
38:15
yes, then we start asking, What
should we do about it? Who
38:18
should take that responsibility?
Where are these narratives
38:22
originating and who's amplifying
them? And one of the really
38:25
interesting things that we've
seen from 2016 to you know, now
38:29
in 2023, is, as you mentioned,
with that Senate Intelligence
38:33
Report, the Senate, you know,
was able to attribute 1000s of
38:37
artifacts back to Russia. And
what we're seeing now is a lot
38:41
of the what appears to be
Russian activity is actually
38:44
originating out of what we call
proxy countries, right? Where we
38:48
can attribute it to a country
like Nigeria, for example, where
38:53
it very much looks like a
Russian information operation,
38:56
but it's difficult to make that
direct connection from Nigeria
39:00
as the country of origin to
Russia, even though on the
39:03
surface on the surface, it
appears to be very much aligned
39:07
with Russia's interests as
39:12
John C Dvorak: a proxy country
is Nigeria. Yeah, kidding me.
39:17
Adam Curry: That's where the
hackers hangout. Nigeria is in
39:20
dire straits. Their money has
completely collapsed. No, but
39:25
you know, they like Bitcoin. So
maybe that'll come into play.
39:29
There wasn't there was a
interesting article in New
39:31
Scientist. Interesting from the
fact that they're so desperate,
39:36
they don't know what to say
anymore. Here's the the head the
39:39
title of the article, we don't
have any viable way of
39:42
countering conspiracy theories.
Now, of course, that would be
39:48
because their bullcrap or their
true beliefs and conspiracy
39:53
theories can damage societies
and individuals, but the only
39:57
effective ways to counter them
are impractical or According to
40:00
a review, or she they did at the
University College of Cork in
40:05
Ireland because Oh yeah. They
said that we've tried everything
40:11
to quash belief in conspiracy
theories. And the pre bunking
40:15
didn't work. Pre bunk. Yeah, the
pre bunking, you remember that?
40:21
We're gonna, we're gonna we're
gonna tell you something's not
40:24
true before. It's a conspiracy
theory. Oh, please. It is it is
40:30
intrigued bunking, I
40:31
John C Dvorak: forgot all about
free money.
40:33
Adam Curry: Meanwhile, when it
comes to war, an actual war and
40:39
conspiracy theories and war
mongering. And this is about
40:43
China because I don't know why
they're bringing in Russia.
40:46
That's old news lady. No one
cares about Russia. Now it's all
40:51
China. This is where all the
money is going. The military
40:53
industrial complex needs money,
money, money. I can't tell you
40:59
the whole story because I was
asked not to talk about other
41:02
than that. There are certain
parts that are manufactured in
41:07
the United States that go into
ICBMs. Bless you. And this
41:12
company, one of our producers
works there says there has been
41:15
an incredible increase in orders
for these, this particular part
41:19
for ICBMs. And he actually was
like, I'm worried about you
41:23
know, we're gonna have a nuclear
war and like, No, this is the
41:26
whole point. Move the money from
Russia, Ukraine. Now we got to
41:32
spend money on China, much
bigger threat China, and who's
41:36
leading the charge numero uno,
war monger Reno. Lindy Hop,
41:41
Lindsey Graham,
41:43
Unknown: here's what I think. I
think they're setting the stage
41:45
possibly for a blockade of
Taiwan, that the Communist
41:49
Chinese party is going to test
us dramatically this year and
41:53
next year before the election.
So in 1961, the Russians tried
41:58
to isolate.
42:00
Adam Curry: You see, the
Russians are the template that
42:02
they're no longer that there's
no longer the Russian plate.
42:05
Well, it is a Russian playbook,
actually, the Russian playbook
42:08
now done by the Chinese.
42:09
Unknown: So in 1961, the
Russians tried to isolate West
42:15
Berlin, so I'm fearful.
42:19
John C Dvorak: How many years
ago is that? 4640 years ago,
42:25
he's bringing up you know, back
during the Crimean War in the
42:28
1800s.
42:32
Adam Curry: He's comparing
Taiwan calendar he's comparing
42:35
Taiwan to a blockade of Berlin.
Yeah, Alrighty, then. That's so
42:42
comparable eight,
42:44
Unknown: West Berlin. So I'm
fearful that the Chinese may be
42:48
setting a conditions to blockade
Taiwan in the coming months, or
42:53
weeks. And we need to respond
forcefully if they do that. We
42:57
need to blockade all shipments
coming from the Middle East to
43:02
to China
43:03
Adam Curry: Hold on a second.
Does this sound like a good
43:06
idea? We now we need to not only
blockade Taiwan from the
43:10
blockade, but we have to
blockade oil shipments coming in
43:15
from the Middle East. You know,
the guys who don't give a crap
43:17
about us anymore? freely.
43:20
John C Dvorak: And they're not
going to they're going to run
43:22
this through pipelines anyway.
So blockade that, but here's the
43:26
thing I'm going to ask, does the
reporter then ask the question,
43:30
why don't we just blockade China
from shipping US goods? Just
43:39
blocked cages stopped a shipment
of Chinese goods into the United
43:43
States and will stop paying them
for the goods because we're not
43:47
getting them. We'll just do that
blockade. That seems to be that
43:51
would be very effective,
wouldn't it Lindsey?
43:54
Adam Curry: Well, first of all,
it's Fox News. So already
43:57
disqualified because they are
the war mongering network as
44:00
well as others. And second of
all, that doesn't help put money
44:05
into the military industrial
complex,
44:08
Unknown: West Berlin, so I'm
fearful that the Chinese may be
44:12
setting conditions to blockade
Taiwan in the coming months or
44:17
weeks. And we need to respond
forcefully if we need to
44:22
blockade all shipments coming
from the Mideast to China and
44:28
let them know if you blockade
Taiwan. We're gonna cut off your
44:31
oil. Oh, we need to train more
aggressively Taiwanese forces so
44:35
they can fight like Ukrainians.
44:37
Adam Curry: This is starting to
sound like Vietnam. We got to
44:40
train more aggressively.
Taiwanese forces. Do we then
44:44
center their death?
44:45
Unknown: We need to put nuclear
tipped missiles or nuclear
44:49
Adam Curry: justice tip just a
tip nuclear.
44:53
Unknown: Biden won't do it. The
military's asked for nuclear tip
44:56
cruise missiles to be put back
in submarines like that. rushes
45:00
Russians, did we need more
forces in the region? I think if
45:04
you do those things you could
deter a blockade.
45:07
It sounds though, like
45:08
a ratcheting up of the
situation. And if Taiwan is not
45:11
fully equipped, trained, armed,
ready for this right, right,
45:14
right. We don't want to be
leading to nobody.
45:18
Adam Curry: I believe it is
Shannon. Is that the question
45:20
you hoped she would ask? No, I
got I got to have Lindy Hop.
45:25
John C Dvorak: Question. I
suspect she would have I know it
45:28
was Shannon. Just that's the
hard hitting questions she would
45:31
ask
45:32
Adam Curry: back to Lady G.
Bring up the
45:34
Unknown: situation. And if
Taiwan is not fully equipped,
45:36
trained, armed, ready for this?
We don't want to be leading to
45:41
war worth rate. Well,
45:42
nobody wants to world war three.
But yes, you do. What kind of
45:45
world do you want to live in? Do
you want to live in a world
45:47
where a an island called Taiwan
could be taken by China? 90% of
45:51
the high end chips are made in
Taiwan, they'd have a monopoly
45:54
on the digital economy.
45:56
Adam Curry: Oh, and they would
run circles around us? Who are
45:59
they going to sell to
themselves? Look, everybody, we
46:04
got AI in every house. Democracy
we need to spread democracy.
46:09
Unknown: I want that to have a
monopoly on the digital economy.
46:12
Do you just want to let Putin
take whatever he wants in your
46:16
wait a minute, I want that to
have a monopoly on the digital
46:19
economy. Do you just want to let
Putin take whatever he wants in
46:23
Europe? I don't live in that
kind of world. Wait a minute,
46:25
John C Dvorak: I don't
understand. I'm config whatever
46:28
he wants. What is he taken so
far?
46:31
Adam Curry: I'm confused,
though. China's going to going
46:34
to have a monopoly on the
digital economy, apparently, and
46:40
Putin can take whatever he wants
come
46:42
Unknown: on a 90% of the high
end chips are made in Taiwan
46:45
that have a monopoly on the
digital economy. Do you just
46:49
want to let Putin take whatever
he wants in Europe? I don't live
46:52
in that kind of world. There's
no reason for this. Listen, I
46:55
believe in a One China policy.
46:56
Adam Curry: Well, yeah, we
agree. There's no reason for
46:58
what you're saying Lindsey wants
in Europe,
47:00
Unknown: I don't live in that
kind of world. There's what a
47:02
horrible war
47:04
Adam Curry: where China owns the
digital economy. And Putin takes
47:07
whatever he wants. Come on, man.
It's and Shannon's going, Oh,
47:12
Unknown: take whatever he wants
in Europe. I don't live in that
47:14
kind of world. There's no reason
for this. Listen, I believe in a
47:17
One China policy, but I would be
willing,
47:19
Adam Curry: wait a minute. Then
he says listen, I believe in a
47:22
One China policy. Isn't the One
China policy that includes
47:26
Taiwan. Yep. So how can you say
all this and then say, Listen, I
47:32
believe in a One China policy is
47:34
Unknown: your low economy? Do
you just want to let Putin take
47:37
whatever he wants in Europe? I
don't live in that kind of
47:39
world. There's no reason for
this. Listen, I believe in a One
47:43
China policy, but I would be
willing to fight for Taiwan.
47:47
Adam Curry: All right, hold on.
boots on Lindsey. You first
47:51
Okay. Lady G leaves the pack.
47:53
Unknown: Listen, I believe in a
One China policy, but I would be
47:56
willing to fight for Taiwan.
Because Taiwan is a democracy.
47:59
We stood with him for decades.
So Tom wants to explain.
48:05
John C Dvorak: Well, you know,
when the after the Communist
48:09
revolution in China, which had
actually kicked out the the
48:14
quasi democratic revolution,
which is the Republic of China,
48:19
the Chinese Communist, drove
them out and drove them to the
48:24
island of Taiwan, where Chiang
Kai Shek, who was the leader of
48:28
the mainland, and then he was
then became the leader of this
48:30
this island where they were they
ended up fleeing to we recognize
48:38
we never recognize the mainland
Chinese. No, of course not. And
48:41
so it was always the Republic of
China, China was, as far as we,
48:46
as a country was concerned, was
done was the choice China. So in
48:52
the UN, it was the Republic of
China that ret was represented
48:56
as China. And we kept that going
until the Nixon administration.
49:00
And when and, and they all of a
sudden, we said, Well, wait a
49:04
minute. We're gonna recognize
the big boys, the People's
49:08
Republic of China, they just
dropped the ball kicked the
49:12
Republic of China, which is
Taiwan to the curb. And it was
49:16
something that Reagan was
bitching and moaning about when
49:18
he when he ran for president in
1980. I actually have a clip in
49:23
the archives, which will never
find no reason to look for it.
49:27
Where he kind of explained the
whole thing on the Johnny Carson
49:30
Show.
49:32
Adam Curry: And you're saying
we'll never find that? Probably
49:36
right.
49:38
John C Dvorak: It would be under
Reagan.
49:41
Adam Curry: Reagan, Reagan Coast
Guard, or burning in hell no, I
49:48
don't think so. I will continue
with Lindsey
49:50
Unknown: take whatever he wants
in Europe. I don't live in that
49:52
kind of world. There's no reason
for this. Listen, I believe in a
49:55
One China policy, but I would be
willing to fight for Taiwan,
49:59
because Taiwan Want us to
democracy? We stood with him for
50:02
decades. So Tom was not the
problem Lindsey Graham's not the
50:05
problem is Fenton in his sheet.
Yeah. So what would I do to
50:08
deter a blockade? I'd let the
Chinese the fact
50:11
Adam Curry: that he even says
that means that he's thinking
50:14
man, people must think I'm at
the problem here. Yes, you are.
50:17
You are warmonger, a horrible
man, Taiwan.
50:21
Unknown: Because Taiwan is a
democracy. We stood with him for
50:24
decades. So Tom was not the
problem Lindsey Graham's not the
50:27
problem is Putin in his sheet.
So what would I do to deter a
50:31
blockade? I'd let the Chinese
know if you block a Taiwan,
50:34
you're going to have a hard time
getting off from the Mideast. I
50:37
would increase training and give
the F 16. They needed. In
50:40
Taiwan, there's a backlog I was
back. That's
50:43
Adam Curry: why we couldn't send
them to Ukraine. We couldn't
50:46
send them to Ukraine. Why can't
we send them because we need
50:48
them for the military industrial
complex bull crap in Taiwan,
50:52
Unknown: you blockade Taiwan,
you're gonna have a hard time
50:54
getting off from the Mideast
would increase training and give
50:58
the F 16 as they needed. In
Taiwan, there's a backlog I
51:01
would solve that backlog. I
would move more forces to South
51:05
Korea and Japan. I would put
nuclear tipped cruise missiles
51:08
and all of our submarines all
over the world like the Russians
51:11
did when they got out of the
nuclear treaty and started using
51:15
cruise missiles nuclear tip
that's what Reagan did in the
51:19
Cold War so I would up our game
and if you don't up your game
51:22
now you're gonna have a war.
51:23
Adam Curry: Vote this guy out
whenever you can. This guy
51:27
impeach this guy. He's
51:30
John C Dvorak: the guy is like
stuck in office. Where's he
51:33
from? South Carolina doesn't
know what to do with him. Bolus
51:37
vote him in again.
51:38
Adam Curry: Dame Jennifer,
you're you're in charge. You're
51:41
your protector in South
Carolina. I'm looking at you.
51:45
You got to do you got to impeach
this guy? Just because
51:48
John C Dvorak: the other thing
is he gets a lot of fund funding
51:51
from guess which sector of the
economy
51:55
Adam Curry: technology sector
I'm just guessing. Military
51:59
Industrial Complex sector. There
you go. Yeah, that would make
52:03
sense. Wow. It's just It's
unbelievable. And they just and
52:08
Shannon. You know, this is where
I pray AI becomes real. Take
52:13
over Shannon's job, please.
Anything but But what she's
52:17
doing to no good.
52:19
John C Dvorak: People are no
good. She's birdie.
52:22
Adam Curry: I want to talk about
China for a second. In
52:26
particular about the icon. I
don't know about you. But I had
52:28
a lot of feedback on our
discussion about the Maoist,
52:32
cultural way and people loved
the Maoist discussion. They love
52:35
it. And someone sent me a clip
from the Joe Rogan show from
52:39
last year from this guy, James
Lindsay. And James Lindsay is
52:45
he's an author and he wrote the
book issue where it is James
52:50
Lindsay, race, Marxism the truth
about critical race theory. And
52:56
it's just just a short clip. And
I think he nails it. He it's in
53:02
this in this like minute and a
half. He completely tells us
53:05
what's going on what the Genesis
is. And of course, you know,
53:08
we're now being distracted by,
you know, men cross dressing as
53:13
women. And just to be sure, of
course, there's some people who
53:17
actually have body dysmorphia or
body dysphoria, of course, that
53:20
exists, but not to this degree.
All right, there's no way it's
53:24
to this degree. And while we're
all looking at men pretending to
53:27
be women, and that is truly what
Dylan Mulvaney is doing. It's
53:30
80% of the girls, who are trans
gendering two boys. That's
53:37
what's happening in the
background. Now listen to what
53:39
he says, and how this started.
And I think we were aware of
53:42
this, and we called it but we
didn't realize how destructive
53:46
it truly was, from the
53:48
Unknown: Marxist perspective,
having studied the history of
53:50
Marxism to 20th century, I'm
telling you, this guy, George
53:52
Lucado, in Hungary laid this
plan out because if you get
53:55
these kids like, you break down
their innocence sexually,
53:58
especially what you can do is
and you're gonna they're gonna
54:02
go home, and they're going to
tell their parents that there's
54:04
some like lip romantic, you
know, demisexual, you know, tree
54:09
tree self gender, or some, you
know, pronouns tree tree self or
54:12
something that some in the
parents can be like, what you
54:15
know, and they can be like, Mom,
you just don't understand, you
54:17
know, so the separate the, the
younger generation from the
54:21
older generations, you get them
to break away and think that
54:23
they're old fogies, that they're
repressive. You don't want me to
54:26
be my true self, etc. The goal
is actually to destabilize the
54:30
kids identity so that they're
gurrumul. That's identity
54:32
without an essence and queer
theory. And then they're
54:34
grievable. You groom them into
the stuff and then they look at
54:37
their parents culture, they look
at their parents themselves.
54:39
They look at their parents
generation, they look at the
54:42
parents religion, and they say,
that doesn't represent me, we
54:44
need something completely
different. So it's to set it's
54:47
to, just like in Mao's Cultural
Revolution, and I mean that much
54:51
more literally, than then you
might suspect. It's to cut the
54:53
tie between the continuity of
culture up to that point,
54:57
including the family and to
start a whole new culture You're
55:00
afterwards in Pol Pot called a
year zero, I guess Klaus Schwab
55:03
calls it a great reset. But the
goal is to separate the new
55:08
generation from the traditions
and views of the old generation
55:11
from now it was to destroy the
so called for old, old culture,
55:15
old habits, old customs and old
ways of thinking Sergio and
55:20
Mandarin. And these kids would
get like hopped up on this crap
55:24
became the Red Guard and like
would go into temples and like
55:27
rip down all the statuary and
tear things down and destroy all
55:30
the old old, all the old kung fu
masters got their asses beat by
55:34
mobs to get rid of like old
Chinese culture because it's
55:37
embarrassing or whatever. You
know, there's all in Chinese
55:40
medicine, of course, and you can
say, well, that's total
55:42
bullshit, you probably need it,
but doesn't matter who's like
55:44
destroy the old culture and they
would go home, they eventually
55:47
get to where they're beating
their parents or beating their
55:49
teachers that were considered
revolutionaries, or sorry,
55:52
reactionaries, instead of being
in favor of the Chinese Cultural
55:55
Revolution. And Mao had whole
programming used in schools, and
55:59
I see something so similar to
that in our schools now that I'm
56:02
freaking out. It's yeah,
56:05
Adam Curry: this is exactly what
we're seeing. Yeah, I agree. And
56:09
starting with pronouns,
56:12
John C Dvorak: starts with the
pronouns. And it brings me to,
56:15
you know, at some point, starts
to kind of go over the top, I
56:19
have a tick tock clip.
56:21
Adam Curry: Oh, shoot, hold on a
sec. I was not prepared. When
56:26
you have a tick tock clip, we
gotta have our jingle. Okay.
56:29
Tock, tock, tick tock doesn't
need setup, or can we go
56:34
straight into it?
56:37
John C Dvorak: I don't think it
needs to set up. We could talk
56:39
about it after you play it. But
here is what's really this is
56:42
the DS that could be lack of
control by the state of what's
56:48
going on. As opposed to what
happened during the Maoist
56:53
counter revolution revolution, I
guess Cultural Revolution
56:57
results in in this meet the
mania, where the true insanity
57:02
starts to leak through and you
end up with this.
57:04
Unknown: Y'all really want to
try to say there aren't trans
57:06
kids. Let me tell you what there
aren't there aren't sis kids,
57:09
okay, you telling your child Oh,
you're a boy. You're a girl.
57:13
This is a child. This is a free
spirit that has not learned any
57:16
of that bullshit and so you
force it on them. So sickness is
57:21
the wound sickness is the
delusion sickness is the lie
57:25
sickness is the place of pain
transmis is the healing transit
57:29
This is the growth transit This
is the truth. Transit this is
57:33
what we actually are we are
fluid we are 70% water we are
57:37
God God is changed. God is
trans. You're trans. You are
57:42
forcing your kids to be boys and
girls. We're saying be whatever
57:46
you are baby, be free. Be water
be light. Be sky be God because
57:51
guess what? That's what we
actually are. What we actually
57:55
are is trans is change is love.
We're not the ones doing the
57:59
forcing.
58:01
Adam Curry: You God is trans.
Oh, that's a new one.
58:04
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, that's
gonna be you're gonna hear that
58:06
more. And
58:07
Adam Curry: does this. Oh, yeah.
And does this. This man. I
58:09
presume it's a man. Does he have
children? Of course not. So this
58:13
this is exactly the meme that is
being propagated by Hollywood.
58:17
Here's a clip of Daniel
Radcliffe, very successful actor
58:21
in a very limited role. He is
Harry Potter. He is Harry
58:25
Potter. Everyone sees him and he
is Harry Potter. And he is doing
58:30
I sit down with a group of trans
kids, young trans kids. And he
58:35
is propagating this. This Bly. I
learned
58:39
Unknown: from you know, out of
the cradle that I am, you know
58:45
that I was a boy, I should like
blue. I should like sports. I
58:49
should be manly. I should like
superheroes. Yeah. And I just I
58:53
never associate myself with
those things. And we are told
58:58
that we're not old enough to
know to know this yet. Like, I
59:02
mean, I'm only 11 years old. How
do I know I'm a girl. And I need
59:07
more time to think about this.
59:09
But there are also people who do
have like a slightly
59:12
condescending, but well meaning
attitude of like, well, deeply
59:15
young, and like how do we you
know, that is a huge decision.
59:18
I'd love to hear from all of you
about like, why we can trust
59:23
kids to like, tell us who they
are. This was it.
59:28
John C Dvorak: I know. You gotta
go the same thing that this
59:30
other guy
59:30
Adam Curry: was saying yes to
trust because you can trust your
59:33
child. They're telling you who
they are. Remember, your son
59:37
would be an actual transhumanist
robot if you trusted him and
59:41
allowed him to continue the
nonsense or if he hadn't snapped
59:45
out of it. And it hadn't been
propagated and encouraged by the
59:49
parents who just like the mom
was revolution template. have
59:53
been led to believe that Oh,
okay. I am an old fogy. This is
59:57
just the new thing. This is of
course this is how Oh, how it
1:00:00
works these days, what do I
know? There's books, there's
1:00:03
people in lab coats telling me
my child doesn't have issues
1:00:07
because of social media. And
just because my child is a girl
1:00:11
in middle school and goes
through tough times, because
1:00:14
that's
1:00:14
John C Dvorak: what I used to be
ridiculed by mean, girls.
1:00:17
Adam Curry: That's right. You
know, it's not like that doesn't
1:00:19
have that. No, no, that's all
because you are in the wrong
1:00:22
body. And I have received so
many messages from teachers, by
1:00:28
the way, most of these teachers
now women, and here's how it
1:00:31
goes. A trans kid is put into
your class. Now, the last thing
1:00:36
you're going to do is say,
what's going on with this? No,
1:00:39
no, no, no, no, you can't do
that. Because you will be kicked
1:00:42
out the school system, which you
can't leave, because then you
1:00:44
lose your pension. Even if you
want to go to do like a charter
1:00:49
school. And then the teacher is
asked to report back how the
1:00:57
child's behavior is all the
children's behavior. And what
1:01:02
they wind up becoming is a
feedback loop for the therapist
1:01:06
and the doctor by saying, well,
Johnny, I mean, I'm sorry, Annie
1:01:10
was acting up a bit today. So
maybe you need to adjust Annie's
1:01:14
meds. And that's the destructive
part. So it's, it's the
1:01:20
antidepressant, it's the math.
And then it's the transgender
1:01:24
hormones, which and again, I'm
telling you, we're missing the
1:01:27
important part, which is 80%. of
transgender children are girls,
1:01:32
but we're all looking at the
boys. Oh, in sports, all that?
1:01:35
Yes. While that is also an
issue. That's not the people who
1:01:39
are going to kill you. We're
going to come home and knife mom
1:01:42
and dad back. Well, the teacher
1:01:45
John C Dvorak: that could hit
yes, that's going to be
1:01:47
happening a lot in the future,
we have to also understand
1:01:50
something called social and
emotional learning which show
1:01:55
Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness, you
found the same thing I did.
1:01:58
John C Dvorak: Well, we've
talked about this before,
1:01:59
because I've I've been on the
mailing list I've been on for a
1:02:02
number of years for castle, the
guys behind it.
1:02:05
Adam Curry: Yes. And you know,
it's just some some lady who was
1:02:09
English as a Second Language
teacher but consultant for the
1:02:12
in 2017. And decided to set up
this K S ELC as ACCA SEL, which
1:02:21
is a part of G M. Oh, yeah. It's
crazy. All this stuff that comes
1:02:25
into play all these acronyms.
1:02:27
John C Dvorak: And they've come
up with this idea that is more
1:02:29
important than they literally
say more important, and to teach
1:02:35
social and emotional learning,
as they call it, then reading
1:02:40
and writing and arithmetic. Yep.
They say this is much more
1:02:43
important, and you'll get better
grades and get better scores.
1:02:46
And we have proof now and I've
seen no proof whatsoever. And
1:02:49
all I see is news reports about
how the American student is
1:02:54
being is being dumbed down. He's
dumber than ever. Because they
1:02:58
know it seems you are teaching
them emotional and social
1:03:01
learning. This is more
important. Social justice is
1:03:04
more important than math. Yes.
That's when you get a test score
1:03:09
show that we're just we're
creating a bunch of dumb shits,
1:03:13
and this but they claim no, no,
no, we're not as crisp making
1:03:17
every school where this has been
implemented according to Castle,
1:03:21
the scores have improved.
1:03:24
Adam Curry: So so I've looked
into this, I have a lot of links
1:03:27
in the show notes. And I want to
because my question, what is
1:03:31
sel? And so I find a website and
official website what is SEL
1:03:36
social emotional learning
defined and explained. So just
1:03:40
tell me if you understand this
definition. To fully understand
1:03:44
social emotional learning, it is
useful to begin with a clear
1:03:47
definition. Sel is the vital
framework through which people
1:03:51
of all ages acquire skills in
working towards their own unique
1:03:54
goals, comprehending and
managing their emotions,
1:03:58
nurturing positive
relationships, making informed
1:04:00
choices, and feeling and
exhibiting empathy. Learning SEL
1:04:04
provides students and young
people with the abilities
1:04:07
required to succeed in life,
both within their school and
1:04:10
beyond. What does that mean?
1:04:14
John C Dvorak: It means vote
Democrat.
1:04:18
Adam Curry: Well, of course,
what is happening now and when
1:04:22
you just have to hear this
because now you're going to hear
1:04:25
the outrage and the anger from
older people, adults, some
1:04:30
teachers have some, some parents
who were missing what is really
1:04:36
going on here. And this is the
the Kentucky laws that were
1:04:43
passed, which were not safety
for children or safety for
1:04:47
parents and teachers being
knifed by radicalized children.
1:04:50
No, this is anti trans
legislation
1:04:53
Unknown: or the Kentucky General
Assembly passing a sweeping anti
1:04:56
trans bill. The WHS COVID-19 was
different Waiting for the vote
1:05:00
tonight. The bill bans gender
affirming medical care for
1:05:03
minors allows teachers to ignore
a student's preferred pronouns
1:05:08
and trans students from using
the restroom tied to their
1:05:11
gender identities. WHS lovin
nine teams Connor Steph and
1:05:15
photo journalists alive so
1:05:16
Adam Curry: bless you. Let's
just pause for a second that
1:05:18
seems like some kind of logical
logical legislation doesn't seem
1:05:25
out of the ordinary for minors
not to be be put on to
1:05:29
John C Dvorak: almost all the
acid suppose in in the media is
1:05:33
responsible for this bull crap.
Anti trans legislation typically
1:05:38
involves no you know, trans
promotion of little kids. No
1:05:47
brainwashing of little kids no
books about In fact, I read some
1:05:50
some of the other day was going
on all that Republicans. Yeah,
1:05:53
it was Charles Barkley on his on
his MBA and the Republicans are
1:05:57
banning every
1:05:57
Adam Curry: book they can ban.
They're burning books. They're
1:06:00
Nazis,
1:06:02
John C Dvorak: which I thought
was a pourraient and bigoted of
1:06:05
him. And so no, no pornographic
material for second graders. No
1:06:15
trans propaganda in the
classroom. And whoa, trans.
1:06:20
Adam Curry: One of our knights
John, one of our knights,
1:06:23
contacts me, he says, my 15 year
old girl wants to transition to
1:06:29
a boy 15 one of her friends just
had top surgery and now she
1:06:36
wants that to 15 and what what
has been happening across and by
1:06:45
the way, Europe has stopped this
Europe is stopping it they see
1:06:48
that it's bad and dangerous.
1:06:50
John C Dvorak: Every only this
is the thing that we have to we
1:06:53
we bring it up but we don't harp
on it. Yeah, we got this is only
1:06:57
in the United States. Why?
1:07:00
Adam Curry: Exactly. And when
you hear that can Planned
1:07:04
Parenthood as a part of this
Planned Parenthood, you can walk
1:07:08
right in and walk right out as a
girl with on testosterone to
1:07:12
start medically transitioning.
1:07:14
John C Dvorak: Meanwhile, I
can't walk right in and get some
1:07:17
testosterone to give me a little
more energy. Really Welcome to
1:07:22
Planned Parenthood and say, Hey,
I wasn't every testosterone.
1:07:27
Give us a couple of WHO CARES my
testosterone I can use I'm
1:07:34
getting old
1:07:35
Unknown: team was there in
Frankfurt for the vote tonight.
1:07:37
The bill bans gender affirming
medical care for minors, gender
1:07:41
affirming
1:07:41
Adam Curry: medical care, okay,
that is testosterone that is
1:07:46
hormones that are not meant for
your body that is the beginning
1:07:49
of a lifelong as we've learned a
life long sentence of medication
1:07:55
that's fighting against your own
body. Whether you agree with the
1:07:58
trans issues or not that you are
going to be on on medicine
1:08:02
forever. And girls, you know,
this testosterone is
1:08:05
destructive. It sterilizes them
ultimately, it makes their
1:08:10
vaginal wall so thin that it's
destroyed. I mean, it's
1:08:13
horrible. Go watch affirmation
generation, and which is made by
1:08:17
Democrats, progressive
Democrats, that's what they call
1:08:21
themselves. It's right. They say
it. They're the ones that are
1:08:25
saying no, no, no, this is wrong
and over 80% D transition
1:08:29
percentage, we have to stop
this. But when you hear what's
1:08:32
going on here, the same means
that we've talked about in
1:08:36
previous episode that is
perpetuating this medical, it's
1:08:42
real it should be it needs to be
illegal. You can't do this to
1:08:45
children
1:08:46
Unknown: allows teachers to
ignore a student's preferred
1:08:49
pronouns
1:08:49
Adam Curry: very important,
right that we just heard. That
1:08:52
is key. That is key in the Mao's
Cultural Revolution templates
1:08:57
Unknown: and trans students from
using the restroom tied to their
1:09:00
gender identities and that's
1:09:01
Adam Curry: what Obama started
remember, but black America went
1:09:05
yeah second term Okay, now is
Brock's gonna do it for us and
1:09:08
what did they get gender neutral
bathrooms? Yeah,
1:09:12
Unknown: good work eslava nine
teams Connor Steph and
1:09:14
photojournalist Elijah McKenzie
have the emotional reaction.
1:09:18
Despite the desperate cries
1:09:23
and scared
1:09:26
No
1:09:26
impassioned pleas dare you.
1:09:30
You're gonna kill kids. Blood
will be on your hands.
1:09:34
Kentucky GOP lawmakers succeed
in getting anti trans
1:09:38
legislation to the governor's
desk where it's expected to be
1:09:41
vetoed shame on you.
1:09:43
Thank you for your time, man. I
am honest to God so embarrassed,
1:09:48
ashamed. And for the first time
in my life. I wish I was not a
1:09:52
Kentucky and
1:09:54
it's hard to put into words just
how fast moving this bill was
1:09:57
during a surprise Senate
Education In committee vote
1:10:00
Republican Senator Max wise and
Representative David Mead
1:10:04
blindsided everyone reviving
what was thought to be a dead
1:10:07
Senate Bill 150.
1:10:09
John C Dvorak: There's evidence
that this is and that's our job
1:10:13
is to protect children. And
that's what we're doing here.
1:10:15
Unknown: The new expanded
version includes far reaching
1:10:17
measures, it would have school
districts create explicit
1:10:20
bathroom policies forcing trans
students to abide by their
1:10:23
biological sex. It also bans
gender affirming care for anyone
1:10:28
in Kentucky under the age of 18.
Good solid, solid, suppose
1:10:32
surgical procedures and non
surgical procedures. We
1:10:35
are attacking a group of
vulnerable people as we're
1:10:38
calling late meetings, and
sneaking bills in this is not
1:10:44
good government.
1:10:45
The director of Planned
Parenthood told me this bill is
1:10:47
the farthest reaching anti trans
legislation in the entire
1:10:51
country. Supporters say it backs
parental rights
1:10:53
watch the committee or were in
the committee, you would have
1:10:55
seen the testimony from certain
doctors and certain mental
1:10:58
health professionals. So yes,
there were some consultants but
1:11:00
opponents believe it will lead
young queer Kentuckians to leave
1:11:04
the state or worse,
1:11:05
please
1:11:06
think about a kid that, you
know, think about how you would
1:11:09
feel if a kid you couldn't get
access to medical care, and they
1:11:14
came home, and you found them
1:11:15
that the General Assembly will
have time to override any
1:11:19
vetoes, lawmakers returned for
that in two weeks.
1:11:22
Adam Curry: And that's that's
the mean, it's like, you know,
1:11:25
it's would you rather have a
live daughter or a dead son or
1:11:29
vice versa. And to say, imagine
a child can't get medical care,
1:11:34
it's not medical care. These you
know, you can spell therapists
1:11:39
two ways therapist or the
rapist. And that's what's going
1:11:43
on this, it's and then even we
had some friends over there
1:11:47
younger than we are the, you
know, the early 40s. They have
1:11:51
three boys in Austin. They go to
a Christian school, I think it's
1:11:54
a private school, and what are
they learning? Social emotional
1:11:57
learning skills. So if you want
to do you want to check that you
1:12:00
want to make sure you know
what's going on with that?
1:12:04
Because at that
1:12:05
John C Dvorak: Christian school,
their teaching?
1:12:08
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
In Austin, you know, it
1:12:12
John C Dvorak: doesn't take much
you get because the pitches are
1:12:16
so good. There's a sales pitch
involved in all this stuff by
1:12:19
using certain words and terms
like anti trans legislation.
1:12:23
Yep. When it could have been
rewarded as Pro Child
1:12:27
legislation or something like
that
1:12:29
Adam Curry: pro not medicating
your kid on all kinds of stuff
1:12:32
that's pro not
1:12:32
John C Dvorak: kill. Yeah. I
mean, there's different ways to
1:12:34
do and stuff. And so you get one
or two of these activists, these
1:12:37
Maoists. And that's the real
thing that has to be done, we
1:12:41
have to somehow get back to the
to the mentality where we're
1:12:47
investigating this as a, as a
cultural revolution that is
1:12:51
being is being promoted on the
American public and they're
1:12:55
going to use the children to do
it in a mouse a tongue style and
1:13:02
has to be stopped and luckily
didn't go well. I'm just saying
1:13:07
Luckily, the top people running
the country are not behind it
1:13:12
necessary. I mean, there's maybe
they're in there. They're all
1:13:15
over the place these verses but
they have to be routed out.
1:13:20
Adam Curry: And that in your
this, the Cultural Revolution
1:13:22
was what? 1958?
1:13:25
John C Dvorak: No, no, it was in
the 60s, I believe. Okay, so not
1:13:27
that long ago, a little red
book, The Little Red Book,
1:13:30
Adam Curry: not that long ago
that this happened and children
1:13:35
killed, beat their teachers up
beat their parents up. Okay, so
1:13:41
then this, obviously, this is
not the way to do it. This is
1:13:45
from MSNBC representative named
Webster Barnaby just yesterday,
1:13:50
Unknown: to all the folks that
are in the audience that
1:13:52
consider themselves. Gender
Dysphoria says, I don't know
1:13:59
what all that means. I really
don't know what all that means.
1:14:04
I'm looking at society today.
And it's like I'm watching an X
1:14:10
Men movie. It's like we have
mutants living among us on
1:14:15
planet Earth. The Lord rebuke
you, Satan. All of your demons,
1:14:21
all of your EMPs who come and
parade before us? That's right,
1:14:27
I called you demons and EMPs
1:14:30
that's some crazy stuff right
there.
1:14:33
Adam Curry: So that's not the
way to do this. But even one of
1:14:38
our own no agenda social. You
know, the guy who was going off
1:14:43
on us about something you said
about you know, don't teach
1:14:47
second graders sexual
homosexuality or sexuality,
1:14:50
whatever it was, and, and what I
ultimately got on email because
1:14:54
I'm trying to calm the guy down.
I was like, hey, you know, chill
1:14:56
out, you know, we will. No
agenda nation is filled with all
1:15:01
kinds of people. gay, straight,
lesbian, bisexual, trans Sure,
1:15:07
actual trans people who had real
real gender dysphoria and some
1:15:10
who bought into it and are sorry
that they went down that path.
1:15:13
We read a note two shows ago,
we, we I don't think you and I
1:15:17
actually care what people adult
people do with their life, their
1:15:22
body, etc. As long as they
donate, let's be honest about
1:15:24
it. But this poor guy has gone
off the rails and what do I get?
1:15:32
Ever since you became a
Christian, you have your mental
1:15:35
acuity has declined. I mean,
this is the conversation that's
1:15:38
going funny, you're gonna
destroy stuff, this is not the
1:15:42
way to go is not the way to go.
1:15:45
John C Dvorak: So ever since I'm
gonna start using that, oh, you
1:15:48
will feel free. Ever since you
became a Christian, you've been
1:15:52
a dick.
1:15:54
Adam Curry: As our opening
openings, yes, I'm gonna get to
1:15:58
saving that for an ISO. But
seriously, this is. I think
1:16:05
you're right. What we need to
keep harping on is why is it
1:16:09
that Finland, Sweden, the
Netherlands, France, all the UK,
1:16:15
countries who pioneered
transitioning for children
1:16:19
pioneered it? Why are they all
stopping? And why are you not
1:16:24
hearing about that? And only in
America? Does this continue?
1:16:28
This is the threat, not Lindsey
Graham's ICBMs. This is the
1:16:33
threat and it's a real threat.
You start, I think there should
1:16:39
be in the analysis transition
for a second to coin a phrase.
1:16:44
Companies that use pronouns are
part of the problem. It's part
1:16:50
of the problem, the pronouns,
your your corporation has been
1:16:54
hoodwinked into a Maoist
template. That I mean, I didn't
1:17:00
quite put it all together until
I heard that that James, James,
1:17:04
Lindsey get Lindsey guy, because
what I always saw was, No, Mom,
1:17:08
no, Dad, it's they and you're
right. That's what breaks that
1:17:12
bond between it puts the child
above the parent and that's the
1:17:17
beginning of it. So the pronouns
aren't literally ground zero and
1:17:22
the real problem and that's how
you get someone like the VP of
1:17:27
Bud Light, who was so
brainwashed, went to Harvard, by
1:17:31
the way got a coveted internship
at General Mills. Me I went
1:17:36
through the Fast Track becomes
VP of Bud Light. Interesting, by
1:17:40
the way, how I love it when
people send me clips that we
1:17:43
literally played on the on the
show. Now the whole world is
1:17:46
like a week ago, or like in
Jamaica, we completely
1:17:49
deconstructed Fifi llegaron
fueler. Hey man, look at this. A
1:17:53
cbdc coming in October. Yeah,
thanks. Thanks for listening. By
1:17:56
the way, I understand. It's hard
to listen to every single show.
1:17:58
But if you're gonna
1:17:59
John C Dvorak: listen to the
whole show, a lot of people
1:18:00
can't do it. That's true. That's
true. We're educating the truck
1:18:04
drivers of America.
1:18:05
Adam Curry: So now this is
interesting, what's happening.
1:18:08
And there's a lot of interesting
analysis popping up about Dylan
1:18:11
Mulvaney been I am pretty sure
that and I actually fear for
1:18:16
this young man's life because
this was the role of his
1:18:19
lifetime. You know, he had when
COVID head he was already kind
1:18:23
of like a bit player couldn't
really get acting jobs created
1:18:26
this character. And then it just
got picked up. And then before
1:18:29
he knew it, he was in front of
the president. That was the
1:18:33
launching pad. Thank you Jen
Psaki for falling for that
1:18:36
bullcrap. Or perhaps doing it
purposefully. And that and by
1:18:40
the way, I was right, because
there is now Budweiser. Anheuser
1:18:43
Busch is saying, Well, you know,
this was not approved by anyone
1:18:47
in a senior position. We are
reevaluate, reevaluating our
1:18:50
influencer program. This was not
a paid spokesmodel ship, which
1:18:55
was an influential program that
I could have participated in
1:18:58
well, with the right hash tag,
and I could have maybe gotten a
1:19:02
little bit of money. If I sent
enough people to the Budweiser
1:19:05
website. It was not a
spokesmodel. But that ship has
1:19:10
sailed. And now we have the
blowback and what I find the
1:19:14
most interesting is that the
headlines are Anheuser Busch
1:19:21
loses $5 billion. Now, that's
not true. But that's the
1:19:27
headline. And I will say, when
they say that, that's because
1:19:32
the stock price went down a buck
and a half. That's not losing
1:19:36
any that's not less that's
losing market cap value.
1:19:39
However, when you look at the
chart, you'll see that the
1:19:42
Anheuser Busch stock started to
spike up on March 15. I mean, it
1:19:49
just starts to spike and it went
from I have it here. Excuse me.
1:19:54
It went from where it was it
here 59 91 to a high of 6657
1:20:07
first week of April, and then
the stock starts to go down. And
1:20:12
we're now currently at 6434. So
it lost a couple of dollars. But
1:20:18
it's not like it was a horrible
loss of money is flowing out.
1:20:22
But it doesn't matter because
the meme is out there and people
1:20:25
are repeating it because they
don't know how it works. That's
1:20:27
kind of a good thing. What's
interesting is why did this
1:20:31
stock start to spike on the 15th
Because on the 15th, Anheuser
1:20:37
Busch InBev won the
unprecedented back to back
1:20:42
creative marketer of the Year
Award at the lions it's it's
1:20:49
doubly hilarious. This is the
big con Awards, where the
1:20:54
advertising industry all jerks
each other off. So this was I
1:20:58
presume this was taken as a big
win. Oh my God, these guys know
1:21:01
what they're doing. And now this
influencer thing blows up in
1:21:04
their face. Now will will this
make a difference? Will other
1:21:10
corporations take note? I think
definitely they're going to take
1:21:14
a good look at their influencer
campaigns. It's entirely
1:21:19
possible that this takes off
like crazy and Bud Light becomes
1:21:22
a massive bestseller. I don't
know it's
1:21:25
John C Dvorak: already the
number one beard can't get any
1:21:27
better. And it's pushing this
look at that.
1:21:30
Adam Curry: So now we have the
next one on Deck is Jack
1:21:32
Daniels, who created a campaign
for Ru Paul's drag race. That
1:21:44
the only way any any one wins
with any of this if you if you
1:21:47
want to go after corporations,
and I would say go after them
1:21:51
for using pronouns because you
know that's ground zero of the
1:21:54
dangerous stuff. Don't buy their
products. That's the That's the
1:22:02
real question. Can America leave
its shitty products behind the
1:22:06
stuff that you absolutely don't
need at all? You don't need to
1:22:10
buy it. You don't need to have
it. You don't need to drink it.
1:22:13
You don't need to eat it. Can we
do that? I doubt it.
1:22:18
John C Dvorak: I think you can
if enough people decide to but
1:22:21
you know I don't know how many
people that drink Bud Light are
1:22:23
even aware of Dylan Mulvaney or
any of this?
1:22:26
Adam Curry: Well, the doom of
anything. I think that that has
1:22:29
legs drown that
1:22:30
John C Dvorak: you may or may
not all I know is that people
1:22:33
that drink Bud Light. Most of
them don't, but I'd say are
1:22:36
unaware. And if you did, and you
were aware, it's not that hard
1:22:40
to switch. I mean, I've gotten
into arguments over the decades
1:22:44
about beer flavors, and you will
have people say I could spot a
1:22:49
Coors in a pile of Bud you know,
I don't know if you can. Yeah,
1:22:56
these beers all have a similar
quality Bud Light is I mean
1:23:00
drinking drink Budweiser, you
can drink Miller Lite, you can
1:23:03
drink Michelob light you mean
whatever. Or have a you know
1:23:09
something a little more
substantial, you know, some real
1:23:12
beer and IPA or something from a
decent Brewer, small Brewer. But
1:23:19
I you know, Nikes not the best
shoe out there. No, or sports
1:23:24
bra for all I know.
1:23:26
Adam Curry: Well, when you if
maybe if you wear a Nike sports
1:23:29
bra, you will get some
testosterone from from Planned
1:23:32
Parenthood
1:23:33
John C Dvorak: for me? I don't
think so. And it was the other
1:23:36
brands that are risking it. I
mean, while Daniels is taking a
1:23:40
chance here, it's just dumb.
1:23:41
Adam Curry: Well, so if you look
at the AMA, the Association for
1:23:46
national advertisers, they are
they are pushing this gem score.
1:23:53
A gem is the first data driven
mythology for identifying gender
1:23:57
bias in media. And this is
mainly about women. But of
1:24:00
course, what's a woman right? We
don't know anymore. And they
1:24:04
claim ads with positive gems
score. So this is very much like
1:24:08
an ESG score. It's a gem score,
drives purchase intent by 42%
1:24:13
amongst total and all female
customers, higher gym scores
1:24:17
equally 56% increase increase in
bank brand reputation and
1:24:22
positive ROI tied to high gym
scores increased sales by two to
1:24:26
5x.
1:24:28
John C Dvorak: Well give us an
example of a high gem score ad
1:24:30
Do they have any in there?
1:24:32
Adam Curry: They do have. Let's
see. see her in action. Let's
1:24:35
see. I wish I had that because
they don't solicit information.
1:24:43
They don't have they don't seem
to have these. Okay? So they say
1:24:49
Citibank and Sheryl Crow are
lifting up women in the music
1:24:52
industry. They have all these
campaigns but they don't
1:24:55
actually show the pure results.
But if you look at and this is
1:25:02
tied to be
1:25:03
John C Dvorak: bold crap, well,
it's saying this stuff is true
1:25:06
doesn't mean it's true if you
don't have literal examples. I
1:25:10
mean, this reminds me of that I
have a clip about musk, you
1:25:13
know, going after the BBC about
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I heard
1:25:17
that commentary I we can play
later. But well here without
1:25:22
buying their thesis what what
publication is this? Well, I
1:25:26
Adam Curry: have the ads. But I
don't know what they don't give
1:25:31
you is the actual results. So
here's Unilever, Unilever. Let
1:25:40
me see. Is that a good one? Oh,
Ford. Let's see Ford built Ford
1:25:44
proud. This is, this is what I'm
seeing here. There's always
1:25:50
these butterflies. This is a
black woman in a racing car with
1:25:55
a racing helmet. That as soon as
I put my foot
1:25:57
Unknown: on the throttle, all of
the nervousness just goes away.
1:26:04
A lot of people say listen,
drivers are Daredevil. She's
1:26:07
Adam Curry: a stunt driver. De
Bryant. i Well, they're showing
1:26:10
a badass woman who cares what
color she who cares? It's a
1:26:13
woman. I don't think that's a
great example house for doing by
1:26:17
the way. They've not good. Do
they have two to 5x sales?
1:26:22
John C Dvorak: Today? I can
tell. So,
1:26:25
Adam Curry: but all the women
who are mainly women, and this
1:26:28
is trying to this is tied to
global citizen.
1:26:31
John C Dvorak: Well, if they're
gonna go with women, you know,
1:26:32
you have to assume that if
they're going to push the score,
1:26:35
and then women are they'll just
trans have to be brought in
1:26:38
eventually. Exactly.
1:26:40
Adam Curry: That's what's going
on here. That's what's going on.
1:26:44
And I'm not so sure that they're
and they have examples of that.
1:26:48
And by the way, if you look at
the be who we are, you know who
1:26:51
we are, who we are, the
leadership. They've got the
1:26:57
coach Fiona Carter, Chief
Marketing Officer, Goldman
1:27:00
Sachs, Mark Pritchard, Chief
Brand Officer, Procter and
1:27:04
Gamble, Patty Kerr, co founder
Executive Advisory
1:27:07
John C Dvorak: amid these the
people that are pushing the gym
1:27:09
score. Yeah, they're all women
pushing to all this average
1:27:13
stuff, more stuff for us. Okay,
well, now we know it's just a
1:27:17
fraud and
1:27:18
Adam Curry: every single one of
these pictures, glamour shots,
1:27:22
because that's what real women
look like. Sure, you got the the
1:27:26
nice fuzzy background, the
professional makeup, the good
1:27:29
lighting, these are not selfies.
It's not what real women look
1:27:35
like in real life. And that's
also just
1:27:38
John C Dvorak: set guard putting
you and me putting some sort of
1:27:41
Operation together and then
promote podcasting?
1:27:44
Adam Curry: Well, yes. And I
think we should consider that
1:27:47
because you know, after this
episode, we are totally the
1:27:49
transphobic old dudes. To DS the
top.
1:27:53
John C Dvorak: We're not
transphobic we're just bringing
1:27:55
it we're anti communist,
1:27:57
Adam Curry: correct anti war
anti communist. Now let's let's
1:28:01
add race. Can
1:28:02
John C Dvorak: that be bad?
1:28:03
Adam Curry: Let's add racist to
it. I have two clips that are
1:28:05
that should be mentioned because
our poor black brothers and
1:28:08
sisters have been pushed to the
background. You don't count
1:28:10
anymore. It's all trends. Now.
Here's Susan Rice. Speaking at
1:28:15
Al Sharpton National Action
Network, listen carefully.
1:28:19
Unknown: In the last 20 years,
the US had a GDP shortfall of
1:28:26
$16 trillion due to
discrimination against black
1:28:33
Americans. If we closed our
racial gaps, we could add
1:28:41
another $5 trillion to GDP over
just the next five years. And in
1:28:48
case you're wondering, that's
not my math. That's according to
1:28:53
Citibank. Yeah.
1:28:58
Adam Curry: $16 trillion because
of racism.
1:29:02
John C Dvorak: Oh, brother, I
want to see the Citibank report.
1:29:06
Adam Curry: I didn't look it up.
I figured it wasn't worth
1:29:07
looking at.
1:29:09
John C Dvorak: It's probably not
but I still like to see it.
1:29:11
Adam Curry: Now. The second
short, short short clips. We all
1:29:15
saw the the near insurrection at
the Tennessee State House and
1:29:20
the of course complete racist
rejection of only the black two
1:29:24
dudes and not the white lady.
1:29:26
John C Dvorak: Although everyone
voted to get here out to a set
1:29:28
one person that's the
difference.
1:29:31
Adam Curry: Now who was that?
1:29:33
John C Dvorak: While one
Republican had said well, since
1:29:37
she didn't do some one thing, he
wasn't going to give it the vote
1:29:41
to kick her out. So she got
stayed in. But it was It wasn't
1:29:45
like it was a unanimous by any
means. But that was a good bit.
1:29:48
If I if I was on the other side
of the fence, I'd be playing it
1:29:51
the same way.
1:29:52
Adam Curry: So Justin J. Pearson
is one of the two Tennessee
1:29:55
lawmakers who was rejected and
thrown right out of of his
1:30:00
position. Here's a video when he
was running for that. And he was
1:30:03
only in there for a week. Here's
a video of when he was running
1:30:05
for that seat Dustin
1:30:06
Unknown: J. Pearson. And I'm
running for president of PSG.
1:30:09
There are a few reasons that
we're running this campaign
1:30:11
this, you know, hold
1:30:12
John C Dvorak: on a second. I
know where he got this to. He
1:30:17
this is when he was a student in
college. Yes. Correct. Running
1:30:21
for the student government.
Correct. Not for the position
1:30:24
that he got kicked out.
1:30:25
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, I didn't
mean to sound confused and
1:30:27
correct. This is just him a
while ago,
1:30:29
John C Dvorak: this is him a
lot. Yeah, not too long ago, his
1:30:32
normal self or at least the way
he portrayed himself. This is
1:30:36
actually quite, I wish I had
made these clips. But
1:30:40
Unknown: with representation,
how can we represent all voices
1:30:44
in a conversation? I wanted to
do this by partnering with
1:30:47
organizations from the booty
Democrats, to the Boone
1:30:49
Republicans, I want to bring
together different voices,
1:30:52
dissenting voices, voices that
maybe more liberal or more
1:30:55
conservative, in order that we
can reach a point of sort of the
1:30:59
radical middle.
1:31:01
Adam Curry: And then at the
Tennessee State House, notice
1:31:05
the code switch
1:31:06
Unknown: seemed like the NRA and
gun lobbyists might win. But
1:31:11
that was good news for us. I
don't know how long this
1:31:15
Saturday in the state of
Tennessee might last. But all we
1:31:20
have good news, folks. We've
gotten good news that Sunday
1:31:24
always comes.
1:31:28
John C Dvorak: He went through.
He's also got to hear a wind
1:31:30
from just a normal looking cut
to a big afro with sunglasses.
1:31:35
He looks like you know, he looks
like Stokely Carmichael. If
1:31:39
anyone can remember that.
1:31:39
Adam Curry: Whoa, reference
shoots over everyone's head.
1:31:42
Nice.
1:31:44
John C Dvorak: Good nice. Not
everyone. There's always three
1:31:46
or four guests that I disagree
with Adam, I know exactly what
1:31:49
you were talking about when it
says
1:31:51
Adam Curry: Michael Of course,
of course. Anyway, it's it's sad
1:31:57
is sad to see this happening.
And um, and you, you and I know
1:32:01
parents who are convinced that
their child is trans and how
1:32:05
radical they are about it. And
and I've read the books I've
1:32:09
read the books it's not about
your kid the books about how do
1:32:12
you handle society? How do you
handle your your Republican
1:32:15
neighbors? How do you handle
this? How do you how do you
1:32:18
handle the gays who don't like
it? The gays? Yeah, like
1:32:21
John C Dvorak: gays are dual
gays, you have to remember we
1:32:23
got to remember this is trans
split. And most gay men and gay
1:32:30
women are all cisgendered. And
as you recall that little tick
1:32:36
tock clip I played earlier, this
guy has declared war on sis. On
1:32:41
sis,
1:32:42
Adam Curry: we're the problem
because God is trans. I mean, we
1:32:45
heard it here first.
1:32:46
John C Dvorak: God is trans and
trans is God. There's your
1:32:50
sacrilegious issues.
1:32:54
Adam Curry: So just to simplify
it. We really need to stop the
1:33:01
pronouns. And that's a hard one
because that's so embedded. It's
1:33:06
so embedded and it's it's become
like this cultural lien recently
1:33:11
embedded. Yeah, but it is really
deeply embedded. It's a core.
1:33:16
It's a quite, I
1:33:17
John C Dvorak: would say Jay,
Jay and Brennan here. And we are
1:33:22
all into the pronouns Alina
liaises, they stay in them and
1:33:26
Himanshi JC and Jessie don't
don't bring it up. If it
1:33:36
happens, it shows up. So I can't
say for sure. Jessie. Maybe
1:33:42
maybe not. But it's pretty
deeply ingrained. Yeah, but the
1:33:47
closer you are to, to the Z
Generation Z to your Zilla
1:33:52
escalas millennial if you're
close as a millennial
1:33:55
Adam Curry: oh there you go.
Yeah, I wish they had they
1:33:59
talked a little bit of history
and that one clip that one clip
1:34:03
by James Lindsay to me says it
all good clip Yeah. I should
1:34:09
have gotten clipped the day
really
1:34:11
John C Dvorak: wasn't I would
have to give it a couple of days
1:34:14
Joe Rogan
1:34:16
Adam Curry: Come on Come on,
man. That's not fair. All right.
1:34:25
Let's see. Oh, well
1:34:26
John C Dvorak: they see there's
anything else on this topic?
1:34:28
Adam Curry: Oh, you have whoa is
there more I'm I'm depleted.
1:34:34
John C Dvorak: Hazel I got that.
Laura Lopez.
1:34:41
Adam Curry: I don't think so.
1:34:42
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it doesn't
look like you got anything else.
1:34:44
Now.
1:34:45
Adam Curry: I will take a minor
when a tiny teeny one. As Elon
1:34:52
Musk has officially changed the
corporate Twitter into x. It's
1:34:57
common.
1:34:58
John C Dvorak: And I do have
three Elon Musk clips.
1:35:01
Adam Curry: I know I'm gonna let
him this is, you don't think I'm
1:35:03
leading you right into it? I
don't know. And I'm pretty sure.
1:35:08
And also today Twitter taps
eToro to let users trade in
1:35:12
stocks and crypto. So now he's
bringing he's bringing the
1:35:16
financial stuff. Yeah. And I
already I am pretty sure that
1:35:21
come July, he will most likely
be one of the launch partners
1:35:27
for fed now, which makes a lot
of sense. Now he does have to be
1:35:32
a bank or have a banking
license. But that's not a
1:35:34
problem because he can rent that
from from any number of people.
1:35:38
How do
1:35:38
John C Dvorak: I get by little
bank, it's no big deal, no
1:35:40
problem at all got the money to
buy Bank of America. And he
1:35:45
Adam Curry: and he has
registered to be a money changer
1:35:48
to to do conversion. So that
would be part of it will be the
1:35:53
crypto and other things. And
then I think that, you know,
1:35:58
he's positioning himself as you
did a really good job with this.
1:36:03
This BBC thing really, really
did a good job. I
1:36:07
John C Dvorak: never know what
if you watch the BBC. Oh, do
1:36:10
tell. Well, the BBC cut out
they've cut this thing down. 10
1:36:15
ways to do that. Do you have the
original? I took some clips from
1:36:20
the original bucks. But a couple
of things that I thought were
1:36:25
interesting. There's the best
one, of course is the which the
1:36:30
BBC refused to play pretty much
is where it goes after the game
1:36:33
on hate speech. A guy says to
set the stage tell us what's
1:36:36
going on. Because there's an
interview with this guy, James
1:36:40
Clayton, or I can't remember his
name, but he's the tech guy from
1:36:44
tech guy. He's the tech guy. And
he doesn't know anything about
1:36:47
musk. And the joke as if you
read the analysis of a lot of
1:36:50
this is that he had all these
canned questions he had on his
1:36:54
little phone that he read off
the phone. That's pretty cool.
1:36:58
And then he ran out of
questions, and somebody says, he
1:37:01
ran out of questions and having
kind of cut it short, even
1:37:04
though we went on for about 15
minutes or more. He says, but
1:37:08
you got the world's richest guy
sitting right in front of you.
1:37:13
Have you run out of material
that asked him? Are you kidding
1:37:16
me? Ask him for his stock tip. I
mean, holy mackerel. How dumb
1:37:23
are you?
1:37:24
Adam Curry: Well, he is the tech
reporter because he has a phone.
1:37:28
John C Dvorak: He has a felony.
So this is the best. This is the
1:37:31
best part. And this is I missed
the beginning of it. But this is
1:37:34
the part where he, him and musk
go after each other over? Well,
1:37:39
I understand that Twitter's got
a lot more hate speech, I
1:37:43
noticed that. So must push his
back on this. And he again, he
1:37:47
beats the guy up. Here we go. I
1:37:51
Unknown: said you've seen more
hateful content. But you can't
1:37:53
name a single example not even
1:37:55
one. I'm not sure I've used that
feed for the last three or four
1:37:59
weeks. And
1:37:59
how did you see the hateful
content content?
1:38:01
Because I've been I've been
using, I've been using Twitter
1:38:03
since you've taken over for the
last six months, because
1:38:05
then you must have at some point
seen that you for your hateful
1:38:08
content. I'm asking for one
example. Right? If you can't
1:38:10
give us an all I'm saying I say
so that you don't know what
1:38:14
you're talking about, really,
because you connect a single
1:38:17
example of hateful content or
even one tweet, and yet you're
1:38:21
claimed to the hateful content
was high? Well,
1:38:24
that's a false No. When I could
just lie it what No, no, what I
1:38:28
claim was there are many
organizations that say that that
1:38:32
kind of information is on the
rise now whether whether it has
1:38:37
I mean, right? Like the the
Strategic Dialogue is this,
1:38:42
you're in the EU in the UK, they
will say that. So
1:38:45
people will say all sorts of
nonsense. I'm literally asking
1:38:47
you for a single example. And
you can name one, right? Yeah,
1:38:50
Adam Curry: I call this a big
win for Elon. And wow, what an
1:38:53
easy one. And how dumb is that?
I mean, again, these are the
1:38:57
things that go viral these days.
You know, so you have been
1:39:00
Anheuser Busch lost, like $6
billion, just fall fill filled
1:39:04
out a thorough that pocket. Wow,
that's $6 million. And now, now,
1:39:09
this and how many? How many
times? Have you ever been
1:39:12
interviewed by someone who was
this dumb? I mean, it happens
1:39:15
all the time, particularly from
the military all the time. And
1:39:18
they just have a list of
questions. And they don't really
1:39:22
know what they're talking about.
And this is the presumptuous
1:39:24
stuff now, and this, by the way,
could have easily have been Kara
1:39:28
Swisher she could have easily
said, Well, you know, hate
1:39:31
speech is on the rise. And
that's why she doesn't get an
1:39:35
interview with it. But I would
love to hear her interview with
1:39:38
Elon Musk. Because you're
1:39:40
John C Dvorak: right, because
she Yeah, she was a part PBE
1:39:42
killer. So there's just a couple
of little things that I thought
1:39:47
were interesting. This was the
banning Twitter this little
1:39:52
shorty.
1:39:54
Unknown: Tick tock has also been
in the news. There's talk of,
1:39:56
perhaps by the administration
wanting to potentially ban it or
1:39:59
or are forced to sail. What's
your view of the situation?
1:40:03
I just don't know enough about
what's going on there. I can't
1:40:06
say I have a strong opinion on
tick tock.
1:40:08
So you'd have an opinion on on
whether it should be banned or
1:40:11
not.
1:40:11
You know, I'm generally against
banning things. So I probably
1:40:18
not being fair. I mean, it
would, it would help Twitter I
1:40:21
suppose if Tik Tok was banned,
because then people would spend
1:40:24
more time on Twitter unless I'm
on Tik Tok. But even though that
1:40:29
would be that even if we would
help Twitter, I would be
1:40:33
generally against banning of
things.
1:40:36
Adam Curry: Oh, well, you're
you're pro China.
1:40:40
John C Dvorak: Well, I think
that he had that was the right
1:40:42
answer. So he did. Okay.
1:40:43
Adam Curry: Let me just let me
just say the accusation is, he
1:40:47
is pro China, because China is
the big shareholder and Tesla.
1:40:54
Tesla is important. China is
important to Tesla. Yeah, yeah.
1:40:58
You can say that. Yeah. I'm just
saying that's what people say,
1:41:01
John C Dvorak: Okay, it's right,
reasonable. What do they say
1:41:04
about this? And this was, I
think, or is this kind of like,
1:41:08
and like to know more about
this, the dog CEO?
1:41:12
Unknown: You said that you were
going to stand down? Chief
1:41:16
Executive, right. Okay.
1:41:19
I have not the CEO of Twitter,
my dog is the CEO. Well, okay.
1:41:24
What
1:41:26
John C Dvorak: was she's already
stepped down his dog is the CEO
1:41:29
of Twitter. Do we know this?
1:41:33
Adam Curry: Well, that would
make sense. If, if the Twitter
1:41:36
is now x Corp, then the Twitter
Corp can can easily have his dog
1:41:42
as CEO. Let me see. You long as
1:41:46
John C Dvorak: you said, you see
again. Does the dog have a did
1:41:53
use a paw and checks? The pod
error as a signature for a
1:42:00
check? I don't
1:42:01
Adam Curry: know. But I do see
this. And I'm saying See,
1:42:04
because I actually see it. I do
see this. And I do believe I do
1:42:07
believe and I do see this
headline everywhere. Hmm. Well,
1:42:13
I
1:42:14
John C Dvorak: can listen, get
more play. I didn't know this
1:42:16
until I listened to this
interview. What shows the dog
1:42:19
was the CEO of Twitter?
1:42:21
Adam Curry: I think it's
probably true. Because Twitter
1:42:25
has been moved over to x and
Twitter is just an empty shell
1:42:29
likely, possibly. And that is
them. So that dog is the CEO of
1:42:35
Twitter because it's just a
piece of paper. It's not a
1:42:38
corporation anymore, that
1:42:39
John C Dvorak: so there's
another little tidbit that's
1:42:41
floating around. It's a local
story. Musk wanted to take the W
1:42:47
off of the sign it says Twitter
so it says Twitter. Yes.
1:42:51
Adam Curry: Another part of
moving into X Corp. He doesn't
1:42:53
care about the brand. Twitter is
going
1:42:55
John C Dvorak: back so they
wouldn't let him do that because
1:42:57
there's some I don't know why
some zoning thing. So he painted
1:43:02
the W out with white paint. So
it just says kind of Twitter or
1:43:07
Twitter. And I was listening to
the story it we have this late,
1:43:12
the show had KPI X woman this
new woman came out from LA named
1:43:16
Sarah Dawn she who's very
attractive, but kind of cross
1:43:20
eyed woman who's got to be six
foot tall. And she wouldn't say
1:43:26
it she wouldn't say titter is
not no, not about tits. Oh, no.
1:43:32
She wouldn't say titter. She
just was kind of skirted the
1:43:35
issue as it were. But But
Twitter's like you know, hey, it
1:43:40
means giggling.
1:43:41
Adam Curry: Well, if Twitter
Inc, no longer exists as of
1:43:45
April 4, then yes, he can say my
dog is the CEO of Twitter
1:43:50
because Twitter does not exist.
I know if he has a dog. He
1:43:55
probably doesn't.
1:43:56
John C Dvorak: Yeah, now you're
talking. He doesn't have a dog.
1:43:59
Why do we assume he has a dog?
We've never seen this dog. He
1:44:03
never talked about his dog. Most
people have dogs. They post a
1:44:06
picture of the dog once in a
while.
1:44:09
Adam Curry: Is that Doge dog?
Oh, no. It's not true.
1:44:19
People are so gullible and so
stupid anything to fill up the
1:44:22
airwaves. Anything at all? I did
want to mention I'm very
1:44:27
disappointed that we had this
whole big to do about ending the
1:44:34
COVID Emergency by a vote by a
veto proof vote, which forced
1:44:41
President Biden to terminate the
national COVID emergency and
1:44:46
what does the TSA do? They come
out with an emergency amendment
1:44:51
saying no, you know be a steal
can't come into the United
1:44:55
States as a non national non
green hold card holder. Not am
1:45:00
citizen without full COVID
vaccinations until May 11. What
1:45:05
is that all about? And why
aren't arcane now?
1:45:09
John C Dvorak: Now you you have
now made it clear that there's
1:45:14
something else going on? Yes.
And I only because this is a
1:45:19
this is way over the top.
1:45:23
Adam Curry: And does TSA really
have this kind of power
1:45:29
John C Dvorak: over the guest.
So this would administrative
1:45:31
status like we have no idea how
much power these administrative
1:45:35
units
1:45:36
Adam Curry: well the way that
the way they're using? Well they
1:45:38
do I'll answer the question the
way they use their power. It's
1:45:42
not like you come to America and
customs says show me your COVID
1:45:46
papers. Know what the way they
do it. They're the
1:45:50
Transportation Security
Administration not Department of
1:45:53
Homeland Security not border.
What does it see as CPB Border
1:46:01
Patrol I'm missing something in
our customs Customs and Border
1:46:03
Patrol? Thank you know, what
they have control over is
1:46:07
transportation. So the way this
order works is they say no
1:46:12
airline may allow a passenger to
board without providing proof of
1:46:18
COVID vaccination. So it has
nothing to do with our with our
1:46:21
border policy. That is a it is
an agency run amok.
1:46:27
John C Dvorak: And I would like
it's all done at the other end.
1:46:30
Adam Curry: Yes. Before you get
you, you. So they won't give you
1:46:32
the airline has to check you
which of course, you know, I'm
1:46:36
sure some airlines like you got
to COVID thing. Okay, good.
1:46:39
You're good to go. There's no
way to check if you had enough,
1:46:42
you know, what is enough how
many vaccinations or what is
1:46:44
fully vaccinated. All of that is
so subjective at this point. But
1:46:48
the fact that this is just
accepted and the same lawmakers
1:46:52
who Oh, whoa, we're going to end
this haven't done that is pretty
1:46:58
lame. And yes, no, I think it's
suspicious. It is and maybe it's
1:47:02
for this ABC Good Morning
America.
1:47:04
Unknown: The CDC is advising
health officials in the US to be
1:47:08
on the lookout for cases of an
Ebola like disease called merb
1:47:11
Marburg, from siblings to virus
1:47:14
harbors. Listen, I think the
last three years of the pandemic
1:47:17
has really taught us how
important it is to keep our eye
1:47:20
on what's happening in other
parts of the world. This alert
1:47:23
now from the CDC World Health
Organization is already talking
1:47:26
about it about
1:47:28
Adam Curry: the world BLESS YOU
THE WORLD Hort, the World Health
1:47:30
Organization already talking
about it. Who cares.
1:47:34
Unknown: This alert now from the
CDC World Health Organization,
1:47:37
is there an additional
1:47:37
Adam Curry: she says from the
CDC World Health Organization
1:47:41
like it's one thing now, we're
gonna be get why No, but we got
1:47:45
to identify happening
1:47:46
Unknown: in other parts of the
world. This alert now from the
1:47:49
CDC World Health Organization is
already talking about it about a
1:47:53
virus not new. It was first
identified in 1967, but it's
1:47:56
called Marburg virus. It is
rare, it's very similar to Ebola
1:48:01
in terms of the fact that it
spread through bodily fluids or
1:48:04
blood of an infected and
actively sick person symptoms,
1:48:08
fever, headache, fatigue, muscle
and joint pain, nausea,
1:48:11
vomiting, diarrhea and internal
bleeding in severe cases, and it
1:48:15
has a very high fatality rate
averages 50%. That's the average
1:48:19
it could be as high as 80. We
have to underscore right now
1:48:22
there are no known cases in the
United States, but India and
1:48:27
Equatorial Guinea, the east and
western coast of Central Africa
1:48:31
and again, those countries have
very active borders. So again,
1:48:34
it's important for us to keep an
eye on what's happening in other
1:48:37
parts of the world.
1:48:38
Adam Curry: I am very happy with
this development because we have
1:48:40
a lot of jingles.
1:48:50
We got so many Ebola jingles so
we can do more.
1:48:53
John C Dvorak: Marburg is
slightly different. Well, the
1:48:55
correct I'm sure it was made in
the same lab. Let's go. Let's
1:48:59
Adam Curry: go to the master.
Let's go to the man who we trust
1:49:02
implicitly because you cannot
shoot him down Dr. Peter
1:49:05
McCullough. And this is from his
own notes. He does little like
1:49:10
kind of like a it's more like
he's recording in his
1:49:12
dictaphone.
1:49:14
John C Dvorak: He could even
call it bringing it up to his
1:49:16
mouth and maybe whispering
notes. You
1:49:18
Adam Curry: can call it a
podcast. Here he is giving a
1:49:21
little intro to Marburg
1:49:23
Unknown: actor Anthony Fauci
stated with certainty that there
1:49:26
will be another infectious
disease crisis. Inevitably,
1:49:29
there'll be another pandemic,
whether it's this next year or
1:49:32
decades from now. Unquote. In
this interview with CNN, Jim
1:49:35
Acosta, Fauci also doubled down
on public masking is a useful
1:49:40
strategy and his theory that
SARS cov two arose from nature
1:49:43
both of which are known to be
completely disproven in
1:49:47
published studies in by our own
US government agencies. I found
1:49:50
his comments about another
crisis worse worth taking up for
1:49:54
the Philo virus Marburg.
1:49:57
Adam Curry: There you go. So
he's onto the ball crap and what
1:50:00
Other symptoms.
1:50:01
Unknown: There have been
sporadic outbreaks of Marburg
1:50:03
disease in Sub Saharan Africa
for 50 years. Here's the CDCs
1:50:07
description of the syndrome
quote after incubation, a period
1:50:11
of two to 21 days symptom onset
is sudden and marked by fever,
1:50:15
chills, headache and myalgia.
Around the fifth day after onset
1:50:18
of symptoms of maculopapular
rash, most prominent in the
1:50:21
trunk, chest, back and stomach
may occur. nausea vomiting,
1:50:25
chest pain, or sore throat,
abdominal pain and diarrhea may
1:50:28
be symptoms may become
increasingly severe and can
1:50:31
include jaundice, inflammation
of the pancreas, severe weight
1:50:34
loss, delirium, shock, liver
failure, massive hemorrhaging,
1:50:38
and multi organ dysfunction.
1:50:39
Adam Curry: All right, sounds
groovy sounds sounds like sounds
1:50:44
like a good one to me. And what
can we do about it? Well, would
1:50:48
you believe it or
1:50:49
Unknown: not mentioned is
hydroxychloroquine which other
1:50:52
papers have proposed has been a
useful first empirical agent
1:50:55
against Philo virus and other
viruses in this genus species
1:50:59
among the immediately available
products in the world to
1:51:02
consider that are known to be
safe hydroxychloroquine and
1:51:05
favipiravir a Japanese antiviral
for influenza and COVID 19 would
1:51:10
be among the first empirically
deploy
1:51:13
John C Dvorak: the one the
Japanese one, go back it back.
1:51:17
Unknown: Among the immediately
available products in the world
1:51:20
to consider that are known to be
safe hydroxychloroquine and
1:51:23
favipiravir ajet
1:51:25
Adam Curry: favipiravir. Yeah,
never heard of it. No, but we
1:51:28
want some Japanese antiviral,
1:51:30
Unknown: yes, influenza and
COVID-19 would be among the
1:51:33
first empirically deployed
countermeasures five
1:51:36
Adam Curry: Vera mir. fav I have
a pyramid here. F IV FAVIPIRAV.
1:51:45
Ir. Father, Father, Pierre Amir.
Found it you got it?
1:51:52
John C Dvorak: No, I didn't
found it.
1:51:53
Adam Curry: Oh, I'll keep
looking. We need it. But you
1:51:57
know, there are there are
there's competition. There's
1:52:00
competition out there. You know,
this is not does not come from
1:52:03
the CDC, the World Health
Organization does come from the
1:52:06
world Indian organizational
network.
1:52:10
Unknown: So will age three and
eight be China's next big
1:52:14
export. After the deadly Wuhan
virus. Is this bird flu going to
1:52:19
be Beijing's next gift to the
world?
1:52:23
Adam Curry: Eight three and
eight. Sounds like oh callsign.
1:52:28
Hotel three Nov. Eight.
1:52:30
John C Dvorak: Great callsign.
1:52:34
Adam Curry: So who knows? Who
knows? Who knows how that's all
1:52:37
gonna go down? Who knows? Crazy?
Sure, just crazy. All right. I
1:52:47
think we can agree we do want
I'd like to do one more sequence
1:52:50
of stories here if you got
something good. Well,
1:52:52
John C Dvorak: I do have my Hong
Kong update which had been
1:52:55
trying to play for a while you
do do you? I do. I do. I do.
1:52:59
Let's do it. Let's start with
Hong Kong update and T D UK.
1:53:05
Unknown: This is in D. D,
1:53:07
since Beijing imposed a national
security law in Hong Kong.
1:53:11
people's freedoms there have
been increasingly eroded. Just
1:53:15
recently, two men were arrested
for owning books about sheep
1:53:18
trying to hold back walls, which
authorities say are seditious
1:53:23
more than 150,000 Hong Kongers
have applied for a special visa
1:53:27
over the last two years to start
new lives in the UK. Earlier I
1:53:31
was joined by the director of
the UK and EU Public Affairs for
1:53:35
the committee for freedom in
Hong Kong Foundation, Mark saba.
1:53:39
Hi, Mark, it's great to speak to
you. And people in Hong Kong
1:53:43
have increasingly had their
freedoms taken away. Can you
1:53:46
tell me what it's like for Hong
Kong is there right now.
1:53:50
So since the introduction of the
National Security Law, there's
1:53:55
been a real crackdown on civil
society. Media has free media
1:54:00
has collapsed. state run media
is the norm and any other media
1:54:05
that's been allowed to stay open
is because they're following CCP
1:54:08
guidelines or authority
guidelines what they can and
1:54:10
can't say. So essentially,
they've lost their their free
1:54:13
status. In terms of civil
society, Hong Kong had a very
1:54:17
vibrant sector, which would
light candles on Tiananmen
1:54:21
Square memorials in Victoria
Park, there was a very healthy
1:54:25
attitude towards peaceful
protests and so on. And all of
1:54:29
us been crushed, using the
National Security Law as a
1:54:32
pretext calling people
subversive or sedition or
1:54:37
whatever else it is. And it's
gotten to the point now where
1:54:39
two people arrested this week
for owning a book that had been
1:54:43
banned, not distributing it or
selling it, but just for owning
1:54:47
a book that they consider the
authorities considered to be
1:54:49
subversive. Incidentally, it was
a book written by speech
1:54:52
therapists about sheep and
wolves, and the authorities took
1:54:57
that as a sleight against the
CCP being the wolves. Under
1:55:00
people being the sheep, which is
ridiculous, but that's how
1:55:02
sensitive they become to any
form of criticism or perceived
1:55:06
criticism. So you can probably
go about your daily life. You
1:55:10
know, go to your job, go to the
supermarket, go to the beach
1:55:14
without much problem. But it's
an entry step outside those
1:55:18
lines, those defined lines that
you see very strictly how
1:55:21
everything has changed. No, you
1:55:23
Adam Curry: don't hear anything
about this. I mean, anything
1:55:26
zero? There's no we'd
1:55:28
John C Dvorak: like to bless the
Chinese or did Lindsey Graham
1:55:30
goes on about one thing or
another, but this whole Hong
1:55:34
Kong story has been completely
suppressed by the mainstream?
1:55:37
Why? Yeah, I mean, good story.
1:55:39
Adam Curry: Is there any? I
mean, is there any commerce
1:55:42
going on with Hong Kong anymore?
Can you still go there? And
1:55:45
John C Dvorak: I'm pretty sure
it's pretty much the same
1:55:47
except, you know, the Chinese
are over looking everything.
1:55:49
They're keeping a watchful eye
out his part, too.
1:55:53
Unknown: And a lot of people
have now escaped to the UK. Hong
1:55:57
Kong has, I think, more than
150,000 people applied for these
1:56:02
b&o visa schemes to live and
work here, but some of them have
1:56:06
faced assault even here in the
UK, haven't they?
1:56:09
Yeah, that's right. So there's
been about 130 140, who
1:56:13
successfully received their b&o
status. There's many 1000s of
1:56:17
others who've applied as asylum
seekers. But it hasn't always
1:56:21
been smooth sailing. Just as
with anyone who moves to foreign
1:56:25
country, there are difficulties
with language, getting used to
1:56:28
society finding health care,
education, jobs training,
1:56:32
although most Hong Kong has have
have some bilingual capability,
1:56:35
not everyone who comes does and
like every other group of people
1:56:40
who move here they need
assistance with with that
1:56:42
integration. But the other part
is, is the slightly more
1:56:46
sinister part where a lot of
Hong Kongers have found that
1:56:49
they have actually come under
attack of some sort. Some have
1:56:53
reported being followed. Many
when they gather have had
1:56:57
stories of harrassment in bars,
restaurants cafes, being
1:57:01
followed as a fairly common one
being photographed or videoed.
1:57:04
There was a few who reported
that as a small demonstration in
1:57:07
Edinburgh, a group of men in
balaclava started filming
1:57:10
everyone and of course, that
disperse the crowds in 10
1:57:13
seconds. And there is the odd
story of violence and actual
1:57:18
physical assault. There was a
young girl in Edinburgh who told
1:57:21
us a story how she was sitting
in a cafe with some friends of
1:57:23
hers from Hong Kong, and a group
of men walked in and said, Are
1:57:26
you from Hong Kong? And when
they said yes, they took all
1:57:29
their coffees and threw them on
them. And of course, many of the
1:57:32
girls got scolded and burned.
There are some incidents of
1:57:35
people having been actually
beaten on the streets. There are
1:57:38
stories even in Chinatown in
London with people being shouted
1:57:41
down or followed or Harris as
they walk down the road. So
1:57:44
unfortunately, there is a
slightly sinister side which the
1:57:48
British government hasn't fully
got to grips with.
1:57:51
Adam Curry: Is Hong Kong so
unimportant that we don't have
1:57:54
to go and protect it. LINDSEY
GRAHAM
1:57:58
John C Dvorak: Well, we get was
given up by the British was it
1:58:02
was a crown colony, right. And
Margaret Thatcher is the one to
1:58:05
sign the signed off on giving it
back to Chinese. Right. Right.
1:58:09
But that's an a protector. I
know
1:58:11
Adam Curry: that we had we had
finance, finance, finance, and
1:58:15
we just screw up they don't need
the finance and screw these
1:58:17
people.
1:58:19
John C Dvorak: They move most of
that to Shanghai. Okay, all
1:58:22
right. Good to go. But it this
idea of this Chinese they do it
1:58:26
here too. But they set up their
own police forces, harassed and
1:58:30
nationals.
1:58:32
Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that still
a thing? I
1:58:34
John C Dvorak: remember it'd be
I think so. Huh? Just play
1:58:38
update three.
1:58:39
Unknown: In fact, the most
obvious sign that they haven't
1:58:42
got to grips with was the
beating of Bob chan in
1:58:44
Manchester. You may recall that
there was a protest outside the
1:58:48
Consul General at the time of
the CCP National Congress when
1:58:52
Xi Jinping became leader for
life. And the Consul General
1:58:58
there physically participated in
the assault of a Hong Kong who
1:59:02
was protesting he was dragged
into the grounds. He had his
1:59:05
hair pulled, he was kicked, he
was punched. And it was only
1:59:08
thanks to a policeman who broke
protocol by stepping into the
1:59:11
grounds of the concert and
pulled him out that he was fine.
1:59:16
But the shocking thing wasn't
even the beating. The shocking
1:59:19
thing was the appalling reaction
by the British government. They
1:59:22
didn't expel the diplomats even
though they were caught on
1:59:24
camera, even though the Consul
General went on TV the next day
1:59:28
to admit what he did. And he did
it with pride because it was in
1:59:31
the interest of defending China.
The government did nothing to to
1:59:37
punish those people. And if
you're not punishing diplomats
1:59:40
for massively breaking protocol,
they should have been expelled
1:59:43
the next day. What sign are you
sending to other authoritarian
1:59:47
regime diplomats? But worse than
that, what you're telling Hong
1:59:50
Kong is, is that you've come
here to be safe, but you're not.
1:59:55
Adam Curry: Hmm. Well,
1:59:57
John C Dvorak: yeah, we actually
saw that that Did played that
2:00:00
video that was played up a
little bit in the media?
2:00:03
Adam Curry: And I kind of
remember that. But what kind of
2:00:08
mean, how does how can this not
be? How can action not be
2:00:13
undertaken? If this is also an
if and I think you may be right
2:00:15
this is happening in America
with a with a police force. What
2:00:21
is who's on the take here? Who
true who's allowing this to
2:00:24
happen?
2:00:25
John C Dvorak: That's a good
question. Well, it has to do
2:00:27
with the diplomatic service. So
State Department,
2:00:30
Adam Curry: I blame Feinstein.
State Department state. Yeah,
2:00:33
well, okay. Well,
2:00:34
John C Dvorak: Lincoln, your
buddy,
2:00:37
Adam Curry: careful who you call
my buddy.
2:00:40
John C Dvorak: All right, here's
the end of it.
2:00:41
Unknown: And so it had a very
negative effect on the mentality
2:00:44
of many Hong Kongers who, who
suddenly realize that they're on
2:00:47
their own, even though they're
here that the government is not
2:00:49
here to protect them. On one
hand, they've been given a visa
2:00:52
to get out of Hong Kong. On the
other hand, when they're here,
2:00:55
more or less, they're on their
own. I spoke to a young Hong
2:00:59
Kong students in Edinburgh who
said to me, she had been
2:01:02
followed and harassed and
bullied multiple times in
2:01:06
Edinburgh. And she said to me, I
left Hong Kong to run away from
2:01:11
China. And now I'm in the UK
China's still chasing me. The
2:01:15
implication being that they're
always there. It's unrelenting
2:01:18
and it's it's really
intimidating. intimidating.
2:01:22
Adam Curry: Wow, man, none of
this is good.
2:01:24
John C Dvorak: China. Good. No,
2:01:27
Adam Curry: maybe Lindsey
Graham's got a point there. A
2:01:30
nuclear tip
2:01:33
John C Dvorak: the poison the
top of his head.
2:01:36
Adam Curry: With that, I'd like
to thank you for your courage to
2:01:38
in the morning tea with the man
who put two seats in the
2:01:40
electrical equity ladies and
gentlemen, please say hello to
2:01:42
my friend on the other end, Mr.
John C. Guevara.
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John C Dvorak: In the morning,
you must read Adam curry also in
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the morning all ships seamlessly
refuge near such games and
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nights out there
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Adam Curry: in the morning to
all the trolls in the troll room
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who had been taken care of
everything. I love seeing the
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trolls giving me all kinds of
info feeding back kicking out
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douchebags with 1939 is the
troll count for today. But we
2:02:11
are late. We are late with our
count because the
2:02:14
John C Dvorak: donation segment
I think will be good to
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number.
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know it kind of fit a little bit
it wasn't it was bitch that
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John C Dvorak: didn't say Miss
Bud Light.
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Adam Curry: I did. I did
networks did that. We appreciate
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John C Dvorak: one we both
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go back. But it was so
sacrilegious that we decided
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that
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Adam Curry: was was a bit much
we did get a chuckle out of it.
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Other stuff that I mean, there
was just there was some other
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things you actually liked sir
Polka tours. Art although it had
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dates on it and everything and
Listen Live, which was not
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exactly what we were looking
for. I don't know. Nothing just
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hate us what we did look at
fluff comet. Why did we choose
2:05:38
the fluff comet?
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John C Dvorak: Which one was
that? Oh, I
2:05:41
Adam Curry: remember why the
flip fluff comment is the Easter
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Bunny stealing the Easter egg.
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The easter egg had no agenda on
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readable. That's not how it
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works. I mean, look at the
predecessors, you need to have
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our names big in lights or at
least legible. So we chose
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doesn't matter. I by the way
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also did like his his little
Devorah back also had an egg for
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the Oh, with little heart in it.
If there was some nice nice
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elements to it the Miss
Budweiser part. For me, it
2:06:21
should have been Miss Bud Light
or even if you didn't use it.
2:06:24
who probably would have been
good without that? Maybe. What
2:06:29
do you think?
2:06:31
John C Dvorak: I liked him to
ban right? It made no sense. No,
2:06:35
Adam Curry: not really. It
didn't. And what was the bra
2:06:38
you'd like to bra?
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John C Dvorak: Was it was their
bra? No, no, that was when I
2:06:42
found for the newsletter. Oh,
right. Right. Right. Okay, curry
2:06:46
Devorah because two boobs
literally there you go.
2:06:50
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University. Hashtag boiler up.
Majoring in professional flight
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and is currently a flight
instructor building hours to
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eventually go to the major
airlines your analysis of all
2:08:49
things flight related is always
a special interest to me. You're
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welcome. Please make me sir
Craig of the Dark Moon. I'm from
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Westfield, Indiana and hope to
attend the meetup this weekend
2:08:58
but could not attend as a
douchebag hence the donation
2:09:01
hookers and blow with the round
table for me. Thanks. We always
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have those throwing some karma
of Fauci Wiese and a Sharpton of
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your choice. DSP.
2:09:18
Unknown: You've got karma.
2:09:21
John C Dvorak: Rachel Fraser
comes in next from St.
2:09:24
clairsville, Ohio. Switcheroo in
the Morning John and I'm just
2:09:30
donation on behalf of my
incredible incredible and
2:09:32
adoring husband Sean Fraser.
This man grew up with
2:09:36
unthinkable traumas and
adversity. However, through
2:09:39
God's grace and a few miracles
now extremely successful
2:09:43
businessman, wonderful husband
and father all right, who were
2:09:47
highschool sweethearts, and had
been married for 29 years. I'm
2:09:52
very proud to report that his
journey and building our very
2:09:55
successful small business also
began with your journey and the
2:09:58
no agenda show. spent many ours
on the road building his company
2:10:02
from the ground up beginning in
2008. And you two are both very
2:10:05
with him and every step of the
way. Nice. He has listened to
2:10:08
every episode since 2008. Oh,
thank you for being educators of
2:10:14
the truth. We appreciate your
efforts more than you know.
2:10:17
Please wish Shona Happy birthday
is on the list, and a proper D
2:10:21
douching. You've been D deuced.
Please accept this donation for
2:10:27
16 in honor of his birthday for
16 Thank you, Rachel is
2:10:32
foreigner. $16
2:10:34
Adam Curry: Nice. Oh, nice. Not
a wonderful woman you are.
2:10:37
Congrats Shawn. Cam Warren is in
Cordova, Illinois 333 33. We
2:10:43
love that as the executive
producer forever titled
2:10:45
donation. Great show guys. My
exit strategy starts this
2:10:48
Friday. So I thought I'd get my
last payment in from my
2:10:51
knighthood before that. I'd like
to be known as Sir cam of
2:10:54
Cordova or Cordova. What do you
think it is Cordova. Cordova,
2:10:57
Cordova, mutton and Mead seems
like a pretty good combo so I'll
2:11:01
stick with that no jingles but
karma is always appreciated.
2:11:04
Keep it up. Here you go cam
Thank you.
2:11:06
Unknown: You've got karma.
2:11:08
John C Dvorak: Sir data Ops is
next. Edgerton, Wisconsin. Love
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is lit and karma please sir data
ops of the Wisconsin millennial.
2:11:17
Adam Curry: You've got karma.
Patrick McGugan New Salem,
2:11:23
Pennsylvania. 333. Thank you,
Patrick. Hi, John and Adam. Love
2:11:27
the show. Please deduce me?
You've been de Deus. Can I get a
2:11:33
Trump jobs karma? Why yes, you
can. Thank you very much.
2:11:37
Patrick McGugan jobs,
2:11:39
Unknown: jobs jobs
2:11:49
John C Dvorak: you got the next
one I blows up my spreadsheet.
2:11:51
It's too long.
2:11:53
Adam Curry: Okay, I may have to
shorten it up Matt from
2:11:56
Manassas, Virginia to 33 and 33
cents which is an Associate
2:12:01
Executive Producer ship. It's
been a rough year in sales but I
2:12:05
wanted to donate and supportive
Adams acceptance of Jesus Christ
2:12:08
as Lord and Savior John's
birthday and the excellent
2:12:11
analysis. The inspiration for my
donation was Adams heartfelt
2:12:14
reading of the trans story on a
recent episode Yes, the no
2:12:18
official Noah the formerly
former official no agenda treni
2:12:22
Ali Jade. I'm just going to call
who call AJ from now. I'm
2:12:27
donating my treasures
specifically a portion of my
2:12:29
Commission's as no agenda
accompanies me on nearly every
2:12:32
one of my commutes doing in home
design and sales in Northern
2:12:36
Virginia, Maryland and DC, where
I sold face to face a home
2:12:42
improvement to one of Adam's
least favorite media
2:12:45
personalities. Who could that
be?
2:12:48
John C Dvorak: Well, Virginia?
Yeah. So a spook central he must
2:12:53
run into some very crazy I'm
2:12:54
Adam Curry: gonna say Jake
Tapper would be while No. Well,
2:12:59
that's one of my least favorite
media Wolf Blitzer eyes doesn't
2:13:03
come Oh, no, no, it's a she so
that must have been Oh, that
2:13:06
must have been Joy read. She was
nice enough. But I remember
2:13:10
being all GD at the air of
elitism, though. This is good
2:13:13
content. And names I heard
dropped while their eyeballs
2:13:17
gotta be her. It's gotta be it's
gotta be choice read. I have
2:13:20
also come across to disgraced
FBI directors in my sales
2:13:24
experience. Make no mistake, the
commie elites love luxury items
2:13:28
and see us as the servant class.
Sidenote, $4,000, in quote,
2:13:34
profit sharing was withheld from
me last year due to my refusal
2:13:39
to disclose my job status with
my employer, who had no problem
2:13:43
sending me into homes all year.
I do believe that a nationwide
2:13:47
build back better memo went out
to most corporations and they
2:13:51
all jumped in headfirst been
listening to the show since
2:13:54
2020. There's nothing else quite
like it. Since then. I now often
2:13:57
hear my beautiful wife and
homeschool teacher listening to
2:14:00
the show, and have hit at least
one other person in the mouth
2:14:03
since keep up the excellent
work. Sorry to see Moe facts go
2:14:07
yes, we have nine more episodes
and when we close it out at 100
2:14:10
part of this donation is poured
out for the dead homies at mo
2:14:13
facts no karma. I have the Holy
Spirit. By the way, John, the
2:14:17
best weed whacker is the ego
power model, all as well as most
2:14:22
of their other battery powered
lawn equipment. Well, there you
2:14:25
go. Mystery solved,
2:14:27
John C Dvorak: necessarily.
2:14:29
Adam Curry: Thank you very much.
So
2:14:30
John C Dvorak: what's happening
with Moe?
2:14:33
Adam Curry: Well, we decided to
end the series at 100. When we
2:14:36
started four years ago, Moe had
a very different job. And he
2:14:41
takes you know, he has 40 clips.
It's a very, very well prepared,
2:14:47
pre produced show that he could
do while he was working. Then of
2:14:51
course he was fired for not
accepting the vaccine into his
2:14:54
life. And then he had to become
an entrepreneur and he's working
2:14:59
his ass saw and he just he just
doesn't have the time for it
2:15:02
right now. So for now, we'll
wind it out some throughout this
2:15:05
year with nine more episodes,
take it up to 100. And then we
2:15:09
still will talk and we'll still
of course we're good friends
2:15:11
now. It may be in the future we
can start up again but he has
2:15:15
four children who are also
homeschool now because of the
2:15:18
stupidity in Northern Virginia
schools etc. And vaccine and
2:15:22
mass requirements. So I see it
as a great moment for him to to
2:15:28
be able to regroup you know,
it's hard being an entrepreneur
2:15:30
certainly these times and we all
love him for what he's done. And
2:15:33
these are evergreen shows, you
know, it's not like they're not
2:15:35
worth they're not worthless,
they're all really valuable
2:15:44
John C Dvorak: so I would like
to dissuade the two of you from
2:15:46
doing this well, I know it's
easy for me to say it's very
2:15:52
Adam Curry: easy for you to say
I believe me this was not a
2:15:54
decision come to easily believe
me,
2:15:57
John C Dvorak: Oregon local 33
is the last on our list here for
2:16:00
the associate and executive
producers executive producers
2:16:02
Associate Executive producer in
Portland Oregon. $233.33
2:16:07
Switcheroo another one we've had
a great meet up at the Dick's so
2:16:11
it is the primal burger Portland
guys. This donation all the
2:16:15
previous local 30 threes are
credited to millennial Mel and
2:16:20
she is now a dame Oh her name
name is millennial Mel of the
2:16:27
younger sorry the younger
millennial said she'd be as
2:16:30
millennial
2:16:31
Adam Curry: well we're just
going to no we're not going to
2:16:33
give her selenium I know is what
she
2:16:35
John C Dvorak: wants. I want raw
milk in liver pate at the round
2:16:39
table can you also request the
big fat jobs coming for Paul so
2:16:42
he can be a no agenda cup okay
can add jobs cover for Paul so
2:16:49
we can be a no agenda couple
forever and ever. And that's it
2:16:55
of
2:16:55
Adam Curry: course jobs jobs
jobs,
2:16:57
Unknown: jobs. Jobs karma.
2:17:01
Adam Curry: That's about the
fattest one I got before we move
2:17:04
on to the rest of the producers
we do have a make good for
2:17:07
Jackie Greene. Somehow we missed
his $440 donation I do want to
2:17:12
tell you what happens. Oh please
do tell me what happened.
2:17:15
John C Dvorak: We have an old
all old Pay Pal account. And how
2:17:20
Adam Curry: old is it is so old
I forgot to ask. Yes.
2:17:27
John C Dvorak: And every once in
a while some old link that's
2:17:30
floating around the ether as
somebody clicks on it to donate
2:17:35
it goes into that account it
doesn't come up in the regular
2:17:37
spreadsheet goodness but still
valid. So he had some commentary
2:17:45
in his in his full note which is
that the bottom there
2:17:48
Adam Curry: yes I have it here
and he says oops. Scroll past it
2:17:56
hi fellas night Jackie Greene
here want to make sure you guys
2:17:59
actually got my donation. Well,
I guess we did. Finally I sent
2:18:02
it through PayPal on March 25. I
don't care about the node right.
2:18:05
John C Dvorak: The next part
2:18:07
Adam Curry: of it I'm reading
what do I that's just a note to
2:18:11
trigger that. But you don't want
me to read the whole thing. And
2:18:15
John C Dvorak: it's just a
second person with the note was
2:18:16
that came with the original
donation.
2:18:18
Adam Curry: Okay, ITM m j m k
more jingles more karma?
2:18:24
John C Dvorak: Yeah. said
2:18:27
Adam Curry: thanks for all you
guys do and putting the stop in
2:18:30
that obvious ad slash donation
last note some of us listen to
2:18:34
the donations and it's against
the spirit of V for V if your
2:18:37
product is good, like lavender
blossom send some to the show.
2:18:41
Yeah, that's true. If you send
something to us to the show,
2:18:44
we'll probably talk about if we
like it and then if you want to
2:18:48
follow up with with a donation
and mentioning it or people like
2:18:51
to do a code for note for
getting donation Yeah. But if we
2:18:55
don't like your product, we
probably won't talk about it.
2:18:58
And that's which is what you
want. And that's the beauty of
2:19:01
the value for value is when we
do talk about a product we mean
2:19:05
it we're not full of crap here
you go man. I give you some more
2:19:09
jingles and
2:19:10
Unknown: karma karma.
2:19:14
Adam Curry: All right. John will
take us through the rest of the
2:19:16
John C Dvorak: donation. Yeah.
Matthew shock is at the top of
2:19:18
this list in Farmington,
Minnesota. And is the switcheroo
2:19:23
Happy Birthday to AJ and he
wants this credited to her as
2:19:27
well. Okay, we can do that and
he's just been done. Don Martin
2:19:31
and that was 100 bucks. Don
Martin's next on the list and
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already drops the 808 broom.
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leftover birthday hellos to me
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infinitas and Holly Springs
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Texas also 71 with Rian Johnson
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camby Indiana's continuing
anonymous in Toronto 71 That is
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pretty good. Amy Julene gallinas
and bureau in Washington you all
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remember that town from if you
go to the airport, Concetta
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Vernon, Ohio 71. And last is
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in Houston, Texas. This followed
by Michelle Oliver for 6666 and
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coincidentally They both live in
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they're related. I think
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Luke in London, UK. 25 Timothy
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huttner In Navin, Ontario,
Canada 5432. Somebody's got a
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do that. In the spreadsheet.
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Freddie Vieira in San Antonio,
Texas. 5413 Timothy was 5432
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Adam Curry: cat Hall. Oh,
that'll stick and he needs a dee
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doo dee doo. Oh, man, they'll
love you for that.
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John C Dvorak: He's in 5252
bucks at home. This is what it
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means. That whole Tony Hoval
huddle
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Adam Curry: unit. No. You know
the capital. That's it. That's
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right.
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coming Georgia 5069 Christine
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Hampshire, New Hampshire. 5033.
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