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May 7th, 2023 • 3h 3m

1553: Ample Bosom

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John C Dvorak: boots on the ground baby.
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Adam Curry: Adam curry Jhansi Devorah Davis 2023 This is your
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award winning keep on Aisha media assassination episode 1553
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This is no agenda back on the OTG train and broadcasting live
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from the heart of the Texas hill country here in FEMA Region
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number six in the morning everybody I'm Adam curry
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John C Dvorak: in from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all
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congratulating Adam on his six Tony nominations. I'm John C.
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Dvorak.
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Adam Curry: What is this? What what Tony nomina you know, what
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are you talking about? Well, ever
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John C Dvorak: since you retired the MO facts show that the
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Broadway play ain't no mo has gotten six Tony nominations
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Adam Curry: and the show was not retired yet. We have nine more
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episodes.
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John C Dvorak: Oh eight no mo is something else. I knew you
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didn't know this guy Jordan eight Cooper it seems unlikely
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Adam Curry: you actually know what the Tony nominations are
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the Chinese the Chinese Chinese the Chinese the Chinese I do. Is
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any any spectacular nominations except the ain't no mo anything
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else? Okay. No mo I think musics
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John C Dvorak: the big one I guess there's Some Like It Hot
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is going to be the take away a lot of awards. Have
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Adam Curry: you seen any of these? Any of them? I haven't
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John C Dvorak: been in New York to did last season, so I didn't
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see any of them. i Who wants to go to New York by got me
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standing in the subway tracks.
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Adam Curry: Tina's going to New York to visit with her daughter
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from Mother's Day.
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John C Dvorak: Oh, that should be rich.
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Unknown: That's supposed to me.
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Adam Curry: I don't really wanna know. I don't know. But to be
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honest, she's a little you know, she's a little a little anxious
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about it. By the way as an adult so the most for life in Chicago.
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Because what do you what do you see about New York? Nothing but
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exactly what you said crap. That's true. People. You know,
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John C Dvorak: Chicago, I become minuses. You must be joining the
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two cities sister cities. Yeah. Yeah. Now this is not like a
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problem. It's you know, you just go there and you just put up
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with it.
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Unknown: I know. I
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John C Dvorak: we think it's like the
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Adam Curry: old days. We got knights everywhere, looking out
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for Meigs, all these all the all the gangsters of New York are
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looking out for wishes while Dominican gangsters everybody.
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No agenda. No agenda. Nation is badass. got great people. I had
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a wedding yesterday. So unfortunately, I couldn't see we
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got married again. I know. A friend of ours daughter got
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married. And so unfortunately, I couldn't watch all of the
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fabulous Proceedings of the coronation. Which I know it was
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a lifetime event. There was nothing to record but I do have
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some comments. Oh, I
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John C Dvorak: have some clips actually. Okay, we use our
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clips. All my comment is basically they had all these
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marching soldiers and the guys who did read costumes and the
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big hairy hats and regular soldiers. The Harrier were all
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out of step and out of line and you're expected to be that I saw
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some of the things was unbelievably bad. I mean, I was
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like I flipped over from, you know, China TV where they're
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just lockstep perfect to these guys wandering around. It was
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just pathetic.
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Adam Curry: I don't know if it was that bad. I did notice a
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couple of guys out pretty bad. I have a highlight supercut
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Unknown: God of compassion and whose son was sent not to be
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served but to serve.
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God save the King
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William, Prince of Wales, pledged my loyalty to you, and
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faith and truth I will bear on to you as your lead man of life
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and limb. So help me God
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received this ring, a symbol of royal dignity and a sign of the
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covenant Swan this day.
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Drunks to die may be a blessing to all the children of every
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faith and belief that together we may discover the ways of
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gentleness and be led into the paths of peace.
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Adam Curry: So people kept sending me this this one
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particular clip and I don't know if it's fake or or if we're just
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hearing it wrong. Listen to this. This is when their work
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walking into Westminster Abbey into the into the church Shut
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up What do you hear them singing?
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John C Dvorak: I can understand a word of it.
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Adam Curry: Well I mean, it seems it seems that it must be
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singing. I like vagina Camilla it that can't be right. But if
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you if you
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John C Dvorak: think it can't be right,
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Adam Curry: but now that you've heard it, you can't unhear it.
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That's the point.
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John C Dvorak: Okay, play it again.
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Adam Curry: I'm playing it directly from a YouTube because
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I forgot the clip and just remembered. I liked the preamble
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was great though. The dynamite band. Here we go
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someone's got to set a straight on what the room
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John C Dvorak: looks like silence Regina. I don't hear the
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V.
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Adam Curry: Well, when the words are on the screen, your brain
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goes Oh, yeah,
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John C Dvorak: well, yeah, the words are on the screen.
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Adam Curry: By us vagina, I don't know. I'd like to know is
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I'm sure it's Latin or something that we that just our ears
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aren't attuned
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John C Dvorak: to this cute tote. To catch. So
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Adam Curry: you know, of course, the M five M was out in droves.
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They ended up did ABC free trip? Well, I don't know if all of
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them were actually out there at all. You have to turn your
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speakers down just a little because people are complaining
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about it now. Because hey, people stop complaining.
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Unknown: The coronation concert takes place in Windsor. It's
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going to be right outside the castle. There's going to be a
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Union Jack shaped stage and some big stars performing. No doubt
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about it. Lionel Richie will be dancing this weekend. A longtime
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friend of King Charles and Chairman for the global.
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Adam Curry: Lionel Richie. Anybody can get him for your
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birthday. Yeah, I think he charges 200 grand. But you know,
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there's lots of people get Lionel Richie. Get him. I
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John C Dvorak: can't afford that.
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Adam Curry: I know. But it's not like oh, this is so special.
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Lionel Richie is performing at the at the coronation, who he
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never performs. No, he's everywhere. Every weekend. The
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guy just rakes it in. Right? He doesn't like 45 minutes. Now he
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does dancing on the ceiling and the pillow and then you know
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he's good to go. And then his dancing on the ceiling again.
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And there was dancing in the aisles. It's beautiful. And
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Chairman
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Unknown: for the milk it Yes. Oh good on
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ambassadors of the Prince's Trust is set to perform center
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stage on
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Adam Curry: when Lionel Richie was cheating on his wife and she
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found out she walked in on him and then she beat him naked all
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the way down the street.
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John C Dvorak: And when that story I forgot about I
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Adam Curry: just wanted to give everyone that visual for a
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moment someday. This is history. We've known each other for a
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very long time. Richie is also
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Unknown: part of the exclusive guestlist to the coronation at
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Westminster Abbey.
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I plan on showing I'm just going to walk down and every once in a
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while they'll tell me Mr. Richie just get out of the aisle. The
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King has. I mean, this is just a moment. The parents have
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announced a few later editions. Get out of the aisle Richie
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Cruz, Nicole Scherzinger. Oh Tom Cruise wrote a few later
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editions with Tom Cruise.
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John C Dvorak: Tom Cruise in his busy busy schedule. He can go
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welcome Joe Biden can't go no, I
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Adam Curry: have an answer for that
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Unknown: later editions with Tom Cruise. Nicole Scherzinger we've
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got Winnie the Pooh joining zone slash China Beijing ping. We've
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got Winnie the Pooh joining for his own skates is almost
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reminiscent of some of those magic moments we saw during the
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Platinum Jubilee. I think Charles is hoping that it'll
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bring some magic to his moment too.
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Adam Curry: Dead man walk I gave him two years ago this was this
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was just a dress rehearsal for for William and Kate. And, you
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know,
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John C Dvorak: I have the same sense of this. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: it feels like this is just a preamble to the real
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great reset. And I don't want to be morbid about it. But I can't
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help but think that it's like, you know, this guy aids. They
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just gave it to him because he waited so long. And we needed to
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practice because when Will and Kate when they take the throne.
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It's going to be it's not going to be not my king. People will
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love that. We'll have a new new lady die era in a way. Anyway,
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why did Joe Biden our president now Joe Biden was there she
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showed up by blood that
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John C Dvorak: means the President was there. A good one.
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Unknown: Questions about why President Biden is not in
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attendance himself. He was asked overnight by our Stephanie rule,
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here's what he had to say.
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You did not go to England this weekend for the coronation?
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No, I didn't. But I did speak to the king. We're going to be
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going to a NATO conference in Europe. And I told him I'd stop
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you there on the way over there on the way back,
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John C Dvorak: how stop in
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Adam Curry: how rude is that? I can't come to your party of the
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century. And by the way, I heard Lionel Richie is performing. But
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I wish I could. But I had him at my birthday party. So
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John C Dvorak: I stopped by another trip.
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Adam Curry: I'm maybe on the way back, you know, I hit you on the
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rebound, Chuck. That is so insulting really is if I was
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just listened to us as humans Say that again. I mean, what
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happened to our special relationship? Now, are we
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supposed to have a special relationship with the UK? Yeah,
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it's over.
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Unknown: But I did speak to the king, we're gonna be going to
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NATO conference in Europe. And I told him I'd stop you there on
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the way there and the way back
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Adam Curry: depends on my timing, you know, I got stuff to
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do very important things to do this customer
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Unknown: he really is passionate about
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the environment. So there you have President Biden explaining
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why he's not there. And Savannah, all eyes will be on
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that meeting that visit that we expect the President to have.
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And one of the key themes and passions that they share is
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their passion for the environment in Savannah.
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Adam Curry: Oh, yes, Joe Biden's passion for the environment.
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Lady and then of course we had the royal rift you know what's
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gonna happen with that? Would Harry show up he do. Songs may
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go home. And you know, of course they all came out on the balcony
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and who's gonna stand where and all these important things.
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Unknown: A lot of news that we were falling but we again this
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happened Good News New whose lot of news that we were falling but
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we do begin this half hour with a closer look at the Royal rift
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coronation day Prince very attending his father ceremony
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but relegated to the spectator role. ABCs Lama Hassan has more
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more Lama
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this morning all eyes on these two brothers supporting their
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father, the newly unofficially minted King William and Harry
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reuniting publicly for the first time since the late Queen's
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funeral during the ceremony playing very different roles.
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William now the first in line to the throne playing a big part,
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presenting the king with the royal robes and paying homage to
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him a flying visit for the prince who came on his own. His
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wife Megan stayed at home to be with their kids, Harry attending
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the coronation service before choosing not to have rocks and
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bottles thrown out or their kids Harry attending the coronation
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service before jetting off back to California to be with his own
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family, making it in time for his son Archie's fourth
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birthday.
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The fact that she's not coming to the coronation, I think it's
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probably a bit of a relief to some of the other members of the
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family. They won't say that but I'm sure it will be such
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Adam Curry: as the marbles in the mouth. Of course not
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everybody was happy then if you weren't happy you got arrested
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Unknown: 1000s of people lining the streets of London to try to
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catch a glimpse of King Charles and Queen Camilla on their
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coronation day. But not everybody was happy about the
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event. There were anti monarchy demonstrations in some British
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cities. In London several 100 protesters in Trafalgar Square
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booed repeatedly during the coronation service as it relates
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to crowds.
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Professors also chanted slogans including not my king.
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Adam Curry: No justice, no peace.
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Unknown: No video footage showed several protesters dressed in T
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shirts emblazoned with those words, not my king being
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detained by police officers.
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Adam Curry: Now this was kind of interesting. The these were
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professional, professionally printed T shirts, yellow, and
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professionally printed signs made to look like they were hand
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drawn. I did a little examination. And they were all
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paid for by labor by the Labour Party
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John C Dvorak: or the Labour Party's got the upper hand I do
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have a clip of the results of the local elections which is
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hurting labor.
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Adam Curry: And there were some problems with that too. There
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were people couldn't vote. There were irregularities. Let's put
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it
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John C Dvorak: away anytime that the labor side of things takes
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over there.
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Adam Curry: irregularities happen. All right, here's, oh,
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it's one of our favorites. This is in D
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Unknown: the British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
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Conservative Party is facing a bleak set of local election
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results today. Voters turn away from his party amid surging
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inflation and stagnant economic growth.
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But what I am going to carry on doing is delivering on the
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people's priorities. Having inflation growing the economy
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reducing debt cutting waiting list and stopping the boats.
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That's what people want us to do. That's what I'm going to
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keep doing
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Adam Curry: Making the vote either that or stopping the boat
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what sounded like stopping the vote
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Unknown: is delivering on the people's priorities. Having
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inflation growing the economy reducing debt cutting waiting
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list and stopping the boats. That's what people want us to
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do. That's stopping the
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Adam Curry: boats, stopping the boats, the boats with the
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immigrants stopping the boats. That's what people want. They
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don't want to stop the boat and
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Unknown: the boats. That's what people want us to do. That's
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what I'm gonna keep hard to
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do. And make no mistake. We are on course for a labour majority
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at the next general election.
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The results show the conservative net loss of about
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460 seats Wow. The main opposition Labour Party added
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about 260 seats and the Liberal Democrats gained about 140
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seats. Sunak said local elections results so far showed
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that people wanted his ruling party to deliver on their
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priorities. opposition Labour Party leaders cure Sturmer says
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the Labour Party is on course for a majority at the next
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general election. He describes tonight's party as the problem,
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not the solution.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, they're out.
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Adam Curry: So there were a couple of interesting people at
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the stunner of of the coronation was Penny MorDaunt MorDaunt
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Penny MorDaunt. I'm not quite sure how to pronounce it. She
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now she was Liz trust as leader of the House of Commons. And I'm
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not quite sure what her position is now but she got to carry I
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guess she's the president of the Privy Council. The Privy Council
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John C Dvorak: which we've talked about the Privy Council
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before Privy Council again this eventually is a drinking club
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now Can't you guys into was the EVO meeting everyone's
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underwhelming? Well,
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Adam Curry: she got the she got to carry the sword King Charles
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is priceless sword made for George the fourth 1821
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coronation, but it was what she was wearing.
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John C Dvorak: I think he's got the world's biggest diamond in
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it.
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Adam Curry: Is that in the shorter I know that?
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John C Dvorak: I think it's in his TED tip of the sword. I
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watch one hold KQED special and all the jewels.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, I know Africa wants their diamond back.
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Something someone in
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John C Dvorak: Africa that everybody wants stuff back.
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Yeah.
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Adam Curry: Anyway, so she she's wearing this blue outfit, which
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was I mean, it really showcase her ample bosom. I'm just
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reading was one way of putting it and reading what the British
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press is saying but
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John C Dvorak: we got to start using that term.
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Adam Curry: So Shocking. Shocking. I tell you, there was
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a couple of observations want that? I'm sure I'm sure that
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it's that these colors are are meant to be. But did you notice
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that the floor of Westminster that yellow and blue which
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whether it's intended or not is subliminal for Ukraine? was kind
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of odd. I don't know why the yellow and blue I didn't look
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into it. But I couldn't help another day
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John C Dvorak: clean the thing recently to an extreme to get
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all the colors back up.
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Adam Curry: But are those are those two carpets there? I mean,
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is that is that the color carpet for the day? Have
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John C Dvorak: you thought it was the tiles?
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Adam Curry: I thought it was carpet will be yellow and it
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must be it must signify something the blue of the ample
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bosom lady had the blue your coronation carpet rose resembles
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Ukrainian flag this is from the telegraph. Some of oh I'm not
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alone. Oh, this was the theme some of the guests including us
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first lady Joe Biden also wore yellow and blue as they arrived.
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John C Dvorak: Ah, it's a setup. It sure sounds
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Adam Curry: like it stinks. I don't know if that was if that's
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That's very odd. I don't see any any other reason for it. That is
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head yellow and blue carpets and everyone's remarking
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John C Dvorak: they're celebrating Sweden.
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Adam Curry: Doubtful. And then and one of the others several
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people pointed out to me is the ghoulish figure
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John C Dvorak: Oh, it couldn't be the rug is from IKEA. Yeah.
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Unknown: Yes, sorry. Yeah, that
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Adam Curry: was like that. That's three sided thing they
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had to put together from Ikea as well. You know, the that hides
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the chair or whatever. Are the secret stuff that Charles is
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doing behind it. Did you see the hooded ghoul? No, I did
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John C Dvorak: not see the hooded ghoul. You've gotta look
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it up. Was it so Zelinsky was there.
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Adam Curry: So all of a sudden you see behind the arch as
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people have already come through the arch you see? Almost like
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what's the guy with the with the with the death?
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John C Dvorak: The Grim Reaper,
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Adam Curry: Grim Reaper thank you that guy. He's a hooded
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ghoul, just like the Grim Reaper with a long cane. Like in front
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of him and just like walks from one side of the arch to the
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other. It was very odd. I mean, I maybe it was a janitorial
19:57
service, but it was was it was it was injured? You should look
20:02
that up, but I put it in the in the show notes. It's very
20:04
interesting to see the hooded ghoul hooded ghoul. Yeah. So I
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think that's kind of kind of all that we had to say. I think we
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covered it. Yeah, pretty much I'm, I'm happy for for King
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Charles, you know, but it's still it's so the whole thing is
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so odd. It's really, really strange justice
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John C Dvorak: to the interesting tweets. I've made
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this observation. They had they spent a lot of time on these
20:32
different overnight channels that were playing this thing
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live. And they had a lot of trying to humanize him. And they
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went out of their way to humanize him. He was a comedian
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and he did a bunch of jokes when he was young, high school, he
20:45
was in a play when he could have been an actor. Sure. And you go
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on and on with all his humanization and I'm thinking
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when did they ever start? Isn't the idea of a monarch and that
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whole kind of thing is something that's that's Supra Cumin is not
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above human yes above, above human, it's not you're not
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supposed to humanize them and bring him down to the level of
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the of the of the people.
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Adam Curry: Yes, I think you're right. He also becomes the the
21:15
head of the Church of England, which I think is supposed to
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supersede the pope somehow. Your net blood
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John C Dvorak: in England. Yeah, in England,
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Adam Curry: exactly. In England.
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John C Dvorak: So I find that peculiar, because it seems that
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you don't you want to make him rise above not, Brett drag him
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down and they were doing everything they could. And it
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seemed as though is that PR woman? That PR woman who is
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trying to get to you know, he's a man of the people. He
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understands the poor lab, bla bla bla boss bullcrap. And when
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I think that if you're going to be in a monarchy system, you
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don't want to degrade your monarch. No, but once you push
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him in the other direction, I don't get it.
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Adam Curry: Well, you're supposed to go the other way.
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You're supposed to be awesome, like the queen. And then and
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then then you put on your wellies and you go out in the
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flood. And then you are
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John C Dvorak: dead baffles me. Why would you want that? I don't
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want my king in the flood. That's that's the British thing.
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He just got washed away. What was he doing there? What an
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idiot.
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Adam Curry: You know, there are I'm sure we have some listeners
22:25
who actually like this stuff. You know,
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John C Dvorak: there are more anarchist type people. And I
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would like them to explain to me my complaint, which is why are
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they trying to drag the king down to the level of the of the
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impoverished? He's a king. He's moody and he should be above it
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all. It should be seen as, you know, a Supra. The good word
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human.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know. I mean, usually
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they do that after a while, you know, but again, I'm sorry. I
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just don't feel like this is gonna last very long. I just
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don't feel like it's gonna last long for Charles. VO William and
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Kate. They be even I would watch William and Kate's coronation
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you have that'll be that'd be fun. Then you're gonna have all
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of Hollywood coming. You know it. That'll be a super party.
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Lionel Richie gets back seat for that, you know, we bring out the
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hot people, the new ones, the big stars.
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John C Dvorak: The big stars like Lizzo.
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Adam Curry: Boy, you're on a roll today. And I want to talk
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about Ukraine and Russia because there's a lot going on there.
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And we have an ongoing discussion over the future of
23:35
the war. I am of the opinion that the war is ending. We need
23:38
to stop this as soon as possible and focus all of our purchasing
23:43
and sales, mainly sales, although Military Industrial
23:47
Complex likes to sell to us to the people so we buy it. But
23:51
also to Taiwan. They just recently had a big sale there. A
23:54
was a pre sale, a trunk sale, when we sold them some f6 teens
23:59
the biggest sale so far of the year, and that's where that's
24:02
where all the big money is. And you believe with some merit, I
24:06
will say not completely baseless that Joe Biden will do anything
24:11
he can to get boots on the ground to secure his presidency,
24:15
which he has now announced or he's running for. For President
24:19
again. He's announced it announced.
24:21
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, he knows he knows and that was a
24:23
video that crappy video that was he couldn't even get through it.
24:26
Now. They cut it and cut it in Kaduna. When they said it was
24:29
like 100 cuts. Death by 100. Cuts.
24:33
Adam Curry: Yeah. Do you have a clip of that? No, we
24:36
John C Dvorak: played it already on the show. No. Okay.
24:39
Adam Curry: Let's go to CBS Nora O'Donnell.
24:41
Unknown: Russian authorities today are blaming the United
24:43
States for an alleged assassination attempt on
24:46
Vladimir Putin. The Biden administration calls Russia's
24:49
nuclear What
24:49
Adam Curry: does she say?
24:51
Unknown: That right the beginning Russian authorities
24:53
blaming the United States for an alleged assassination attempt on
24:56
Vladimir Putin. The Biden administration calls Russia's
24:59
nuclear In Ludicrous mode and National Security Council,
25:03
Adam Curry: did you hear the infamous nor the emphasis nor
25:05
put on that? ludicrous.
25:08
John C Dvorak: This is your promise she's gonna get fired
25:09
because she can't seem to keep herself out of the reporting.
25:12
It's odd. If I was being executive mode, polar polar
25:18
aside, I'd say, a blurry aside say, Hey, knock that off and
25:24
smile more. The Biden ministers are very good, charming smile. I
25:27
don't know why she doesn't use it more she does at the end of
25:29
the show. Yeah, here we go.
25:31
Unknown: Russian authorities today are blaming the United
25:33
States for an alleged assassination attempt on
25:36
Vladimir Putin. The Biden administration calls Russia's
25:38
new claim ludicrous. National Security Council Spokesman John
25:42
Kirby says the Kremlin is lying. There are questions from the
25:45
United States on if there even was an attack with Russia's
25:49
president as the target. Ukraine says Russia staged the whole
25:52
thing. Overnight, several Ukrainian cities were attacked
25:55
by drones.
25:57
Adam Curry: I love this. I love that just throw away Oh, several
26:01
Ukrainian cities were attacked by drones. What kind of drones
26:04
Reaper drones are we talking to all these little little bitty
26:09
ones with a bomb attached cardboard drones, which turns
26:11
out most of those are made in Australia, the cardboard ones.
26:15
And as far as I can tell, the only the Ukrainians have the
26:19
little the little remote control plane drones. I don't think
26:23
Russia uses those. So when she says several Ukrainian cities
26:26
were no information.
26:27
John C Dvorak: There's enough information to hold that bid
26:30
report.
26:31
Adam Curry: Information hole. Let's try ABC
26:34
Unknown: Russia tonight hurling new threats aimed at the US, the
26:38
Deputy Foreign Minister wanting their quote on the verge of an
26:40
open armed conflict with the United States.
26:43
Adam Curry: What are we on the verge of an open art? Whatever
26:49
that means is our reporting.
26:51
John C Dvorak: Yes, our reporting because we are on the
26:54
verge of sending troops. Now I'm going to refute this later,
26:58
Unknown: Russia tonight hurling news at the US. The deputy
27:01
foreign minister wanting their quote on the verge of an open
27:04
armed conflict with the United States again claiming Ukraine
27:08
carried out a drone attack on the Kremlin Wednesday,
27:11
attempting to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin
27:13
at the direction of the US White House Spokesman John Kirby
27:17
firmly denying the allegations that the US was involved as
27:19
quote, a blatant lie still Russia warning of possible
27:23
retaliation, saying it will respond when and wherever it
27:26
sees fit on the battlefield. nightmarish new video reportedly
27:30
showing Russian incendiary bombs burning in a Ukrainian held
27:33
pocket of Bach moot and the potentially major development on
27:36
that battlefield today. The head of Moscow's Wagner mercenary
27:39
group says he's pulling his troops out of the eastern
27:42
Ukrainian city because they're not being supplied with enough
27:45
ammunition. In a video statement, you have guinea pig
27:49
goes in calling his Russian leadership coward and saying his
27:52
troops will leave Baku next week on May 10. Western officials say
27:57
half of the 20,000 Russian troops killed in Ukraine since
28:00
December. We're Wagner fighters and Buck moves.
28:04
John C Dvorak: Okay, that's not the I think they really miss
28:07
reported that story. Okay. He said he would. He didn't say he
28:12
will. He was very vague. Here's how I got to one clip from MTD.
28:18
The Wagner group guy is irked.
28:21
Unknown: Yeah, Turning now to the Ukraine war. The leader of
28:24
Russia's Wagner group mercenary force said today that his forces
28:27
would leave the Ukrainian city of BOC mode. Russia has been
28:30
trying to capture the city since last summer.
28:33
Must beside you to note that we were put on what's known as
28:36
artificial ammunition deficit, ammunition hunger. The
28:39
ammunition is freely available in the depot's we were receiving
28:42
only 30% of what we needed. For that reason, our losses were
28:46
significantly higher than they should have been.
28:49
Prigogine said they would pull back on May 10. Yes defense
28:53
chiefs to insert regular army troops in their place. Wagner
28:57
has been spearheading Russia's long and costly attempt to
29:00
capture Buck mode. Provision said three weeks ago that his
29:04
men controlled more than 80% of the city, but Ukrainian
29:07
defenders have held out and perversion has vented increasing
29:11
anger and what he describes as a lack of support from the Russian
29:15
defense establishment. Back mode has taken on huge symbolic
29:19
importance for both sides because of the sheer intensity
29:22
and duration of the fighting there.
29:24
Adam Curry: You know, we really haven't gotten a good background
29:26
on the Bogner group and why they're there. This
29:29
John C Dvorak: is good point.
29:30
Adam Curry: I mean, also Joe Wagner group Wagner group as
29:32
kind of like academy or Blackwater, formerly known as
29:35
Blackwater. Is that Is that what I'm supposed to think of the
29:38
Wagner group and the Wagner group that day? They just
29:42
they're like a fair weather friend. Oh, you don't give us
29:44
bullets? We go somewhere else. I'm angry. And who cares? I
29:48
mean, is that all the brush? It just sounds like that's all that
29:51
Russia has. Is the Wagner group.
29:53
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I don't think fishy about this Wagner.
29:56
Wagner to evade Wagner Wagner Wagner budgets.
30:00
Adam Curry: And all of that just seems moot compared to this next
30:03
story covered by both ABC and NPR. Now, the Patriot missiles,
30:09
which several European countries have given their Patriot
30:12
missiles, we've given our Patriot missile banks. What do
30:17
we know about the Patriot missiles? Are they Great? Are
30:19
they effective?
30:21
John C Dvorak: They're considered lousy and they don't
30:22
work.
30:23
Adam Curry: Well. Listen to this story.
30:25
Unknown: New images capturing the battle for Ukraine unfolding
30:28
in the skies over key. Countries Air Force tonight with a
30:33
spectacular claim that for the first time, they've shot down a
30:36
Russian hypersonic missile which Vladimir Putin once called
30:39
invincible with an American made Patriot missile system. The
30:43
Russian hypersonic known as the Kinzel can travel at more than
30:46
five times the speed of sound and has a range of over 1000
30:49
miles. Ukraine only recently deployed the Patriot the most
30:53
technologically advanced and costly air defense system in the
30:56
world, each Patriot missile almost $3 million. But the
31:00
Patriots ability to shoot down a hypersonic missile has never
31:04
been publicly demonstrated.
31:05
Adam Curry: I have my doubts about
31:08
John C Dvorak: boy, do you because I do I have my doubts
31:12
about the pace sounds like full crab hybrid missile to Tory's
31:18
notorious dog at 3 million bucks a pop costly is the word he
31:23
used.
31:24
Adam Curry: We also don't know if this Russian missile is
31:26
actually high restaurant so who knows what that was? Is it
31:29
possible I'm just gonna throw this out? Somebody's going
31:31
John C Dvorak: five over 5000 miles an hour or 44,000 to 5000
31:36
miles an hour?
31:38
Adam Curry: I don't think so. Not not not at that altitude.
31:41
Oh, it would burn I wish I could. Is it possible this is
31:45
all just a wag the dog
31:47
John C Dvorak: media war I think I think this this last thing
31:50
wasn't a wag the dog thing it was let's sell some more
31:52
patriots to some other
31:53
Adam Curry: suckers. Well, let's listen to NPR. Is it on the sale
31:57
Unknown: overseas? Ukraine says it used a newly acquired us
32:00
Patriot missile battery to shut down a Russian hybrid.
32:03
Adam Curry: I gotta read something from the troll room.
32:05
All right, wasn't it Ice Cube. If the hypersonic missiles not
32:09
very maneuverable than the patriot has a chance with a
32:11
software upgrade, please. I think it'd be a firmware
32:17
upgrade, not a software upgrade. Now we could get your hypersonic
32:21
missile just let me upgrade the firmware. Ya know
32:25
Unknown: overseas Ukraine says it used a newly acquired us
32:28
Patriot missile battery to shoot down a Russian hypersonic weapon
32:32
over the capital of Kiva last week. Newman has more
32:36
attacks on Ukraine in recent months, Russia has increasingly
32:39
employed one of its latest high tech missiles, the Kensal or
32:43
dagger, traveling it up to 10 times the speed of sound. The
32:47
missile had proved nearly impossible to intercept but
32:51
Ukraine's Air Force
32:55
John C Dvorak: when would they when was it tested against
32:57
interception? I don't know they've been firing these things
33:02
off left and right and they've been impossible to intercept I
33:04
don't know sounds like I by the way have the sales pitch that
33:09
they didn't use the guy with this thought with the software
33:12
upgrade the new Patriot missile beat got the hypersonic missile
33:17
using AI
33:18
Adam Curry: ah yes what are we thinking people crew Devora
33:22
consulting group to the rescue once again. Yes, we have this is
33:26
your soul right? These guys are behind the times Military
33:30
Industrial Complex hire us. We will help you this is exactly
33:34
right. The new Patriot Yeah, so we go now to general DeVore. AK
33:40
was going to explain how how was possible for this. For this
33:45
Patriot missile, often known as the dog of war, to actually
33:49
intercept the hatchet whatever it was called the
33:53
John C Dvorak: the harrow comes down Yeah, well, the AI which is
33:56
stands for artificial intelligence can tell you can
33:59
adjust the sighting and targeting so far in advance that
34:04
before the missile is actually launched by the Russians, it
34:08
will know where it's going to go.
34:09
Adam Curry: So the dagger the dagger, I'm sorry, the dagger?
34:12
Yeah, we shoot the dagger. We're not afraid of your dagger,
34:15
Russia, we've got Patriot AI,
34:18
Unknown: traveling it up to 10 times the speed of sound. The
34:21
missile had proved nearly impossible to intercept. But
34:25
Ukraine's Air Force armed with us supplied Patriot missiles
34:28
that arrived last month says it destroyed a Kensal during a
34:33
Russian strike on Kyiv earlier this week, it's thought to be
34:36
the first time Ukraine has managed to intercept a Russian
34:40
hypersonic missile. In October the US agreed to supply patriots
34:44
to Ukraine to aid in defending its skies against the Kremlin's
34:48
air and missile attacks.
34:51
Adam Curry: Yet there's a drone late yet there's drones
34:54
attacking multiple cities in in Ukraine and they can't stop
34:59
John C Dvorak: you can't stop dos Santos you know, and that
35:01
might understand the most of the missiles that were hitting
35:04
Ukraine overtime or cruise missiles, not this crazy
35:08
hypersonic thing? Well, well, I mean, was there any evidence
35:11
that they were being pounded by these things in the past? I
35:13
don't know this, but we
35:14
Adam Curry: know why this is a story. Because we need to
35:18
develop hypersonic missiles. That's the whole
35:21
John C Dvorak: money there. Yeah, you're
35:22
Adam Curry: right. You know, so we need
35:24
John C Dvorak: but then again, if the, if the Patriot can bring
35:27
him down, you know, maybe we're gonna do hyper hypersonic.
35:32
Adam Curry: And we were talking about the just war. Now they
35:36
call the this in Ukraine, the you know, it's not a just war.
35:41
This comes from its military ethics, just war theory. There's
35:45
a whole Wikipedia page on it. Which has been studied by
35:50
military leaders, theologians, ethicist and policymakers,
35:53
consultants. It's doctrine to ensure that a war is morally
35:59
justifiable through a series of criteria, all of which must be
36:03
met for war to be considered considered just juice ad bellum.
36:07
The right to go war? And of course, this comes from ancient
36:11
Egypt and then route the I mean, he hard was a joke. Used to blow
36:18
I agree. I agree. They heard from our constitutional law
36:22
professor JJ, he says the war of aggression in international law,
36:29
which I'm like, show me their international law book. We sent
36:33
me stuff but it was not an it'll not it's not a book that says
36:35
this is international law, because that just doesn't exist.
36:39
The Supreme crimes, supreme crime is a war of aggression.
36:43
That means an unprovoked attack, such as the primary charge
36:48
against heads of Germany and Japan after World War Two.
36:53
John C Dvorak: You mean, all those provoked attacks?
36:56
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, well, Jeff. But I mean, that that just
36:59
defining it. But of course, it's, you know, there was a lot
37:03
of
37:04
John C Dvorak: a lot of problem the attack on Pearl Harbor was
37:07
provoked.
37:07
Adam Curry: Of course. It was, in fact provoked. Yeah, it was
37:11
tell people.
37:15
John C Dvorak: It doesn't mean that wasn't chickenshit tell us
37:18
how it was provoked. What was provoked because we did cut off
37:21
all kinds of weak trade we had to we got into a trade war for
37:26
all practical purposes with Japan. Exactly. And we
37:29
specifically we provoked them. Yeah. And I would say the word
37:34
cutting them off here and there cutting them off at the knees
37:36
here and there, what you're trying to do to China, and it
37:39
provoked him. And so they, you know, joined forces with the,
37:42
with the Nazis and got us into the war by bombing Pearl Harbor,
37:47
which we some people believe was, I think, was some
37:51
justification that we knew it was coming
37:53
Adam Curry: so that we could get into the war
37:56
John C Dvorak: sounds and that's why we moved all our big
37:58
carriers. We left all the junky boats behind, move the big
38:01
carriers off the road by just coincidence. Luckily, our big
38:04
carriers weren't anywhere near the place. That's a lucky
38:08
coincidence.
38:10
Adam Curry: That part of the story is not told in the Pacific
38:14
War Museum here in Fredericksburg. And it's in
38:17
John C Dvorak: the red that the carriers are moved out of the
38:19
way No, no is not
38:21
Adam Curry: told, not told. It's, by the way, that's a
38:24
dynamite Museum. If you ever want to see it's just a credit
38:28
Museum, the Pacific War Museum in Fredericksburg because of
38:31
course, Admiral Nimitz, grew up in Fredericksburg. And the
38:37
Nimitz was a huge aircraft carrier that won the war for our
38:41
boys so
38:42
John C Dvorak: Nimitz would name is home was like I say won the
38:44
Pacific War by himself on
38:46
Adam Curry: just him him and his, his pipe, his buddy and his
38:49
buddies. So an apple bomb and do you have anything on Ukraine any
38:54
other stuff before I go on? And blow you out of the water?
38:57
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's funny when you ask knowing you have to
39:00
listen you see nothing
39:02
Adam Curry: I do. I rarely look at your list. I mean, I don't
39:06
really care. Sweetie, you know I mean, I'm not supposed to I'm
39:11
not spying
39:13
John C Dvorak: I guess the wagon or group guy thought I had some
39:15
Ukraine clips. I think I have some leftover of Nope, I use
39:18
them all. No, we're good to go.
39:20
Adam Curry: So Anne Applebaum. Is she's kind of a media darling
39:24
of of this war.
39:28
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we have to revisit who she is because every
39:32
time I look her up every so often and every time I hear her
39:35
name, as she's spoke of some sort or she's an Asian
39:38
provocateur, she's I don't know what she is. And every night
39:42
then I forget about her completely and then you bring
39:44
her up again and I have to be reminded who she is
39:46
Adam Curry: because she keeps popping up everywhere as the
39:48
expert now of course she writes for The Atlantic currently but
39:52
ah, no attic she is Polish American. So you know she's so
39:56
she's been very involved in this because, you know, she's
39:58
actually no young I'm in Poland and her aid isn't her husband or
40:03
her boyfriend. He was the guy that when, when they when we
40:08
blew up the Nord Stream he he said thanks America or some I'm
40:13
paraphrasing thanks America Good job everybody. Reading from her
40:18
Wikipedia page. She has written extensively about the history of
40:21
communism so that she would be a trans Maoist, she would be part
40:25
of the system trying to drive us into communism. She's worked at
40:31
the economist, a spectator, a member of the editorial board of
40:33
the Washington Post, she won the pure the coveted pure surprise
40:38
for general nonfiction for gulag, a history published in
40:43
2004, staff writer for Atlantic senior fellow at the Agora
40:47
Institute, Johns Hopkins, a Johns Hopkins University School
40:51
of Advanced International Studies. Yeah, I'd say spook,
40:54
oh, Sidwell and friends.
40:56
John C Dvorak: She think Wait, I got another one as well. Yeah.
40:59
She spent the summer in Leningrad. Yes, she did. But
41:03
what she has written.
41:04
Adam Curry: Sidwell Friends School is where all the spook
41:07
children go to including my cousin's. Oh, okay. So that's a
41:11
giveaway and she's Phi Beta Kappa
41:16
John C Dvorak: is not a dummy, which is spooks love Phi Beta
41:18
Kappa, and
41:18
Adam Curry: in 1989, just by coincidence, she drove from
41:21
Warsaw to Berlin to report on the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
41:27
Anyway, yeah, this girl is connected. And she has been
41:33
writing a lot about Russia. I think she'd St. Anthony's
41:36
John C Dvorak: College, Oxford to me, she's probably a Rhodes
41:39
dealer soon. Who knows.
41:41
Adam Curry: She has been writing about Russia since the early
41:42
1990s and 2000. She described the links between the den new
41:45
new President of Russia Vladimir Putin, with former Soviet leader
41:49
Yuri on drop off and rip off the former can drop off and drop and
41:54
drop them off. In 2000, he began speaking about Putin ism as an
41:59
anti democratic NISM Okay, write that down if we ever use that as
42:03
a title. Nope. ism.
42:06
John C Dvorak: Don't care for it. So she she like ample bosom
42:10
is better.
42:12
Adam Curry: How do you spell it spell bosom?
42:15
John C Dvorak: Pos O M
42:17
Adam Curry: ample bosom? Okay. So she's she's, she's an
42:24
activist. She's not
42:25
John C Dvorak: whether or not she's writing all this materials
42:27
and other question because we know that the agencies plural,
42:33
plenty of writers and crank listen, I feel bad for these
42:36
guys who write for somebody else and then their name is narrowed
42:39
Manchester's
42:39
Adam Curry: member of Congress ghost writer, member of Council
42:41
on Foreign Relations. I am on the board of the National
42:45
Endowment for Democracy, which is a huge NGO funding out
42:50
outfit. Yeah, we should get money from them. Good luck,
42:54
member of the Institute for war and peace reportings,
42:57
international board of directors. Is that Amy's outfit?
43:02
I don't think so. But she's just the War and Peace Report. Senior
43:06
adjunct Fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis spook
43:09
outfit led a major initiative aimed at countering Russian
43:12
disinformation in Central and Eastern Europe. Okay, you get
43:15
the idea.
43:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah, she's so she's like, holy moly.
43:20
Adam Curry: Yeah. So she's tied in, she's clued in she knows
43:22
what's going on. And as usual,
43:26
John C Dvorak: and her spouse is this guy, who is Rattus law
43:31
Sikorski, a Polish politician and journalist is a member of
43:35
the European Parliament, Parliament. And here's some some
43:41
other things he's Polish he's real polish, and she's got a new
43:45
book out of course she doesn't crank those books out we're not
43:48
doing any work
43:49
Adam Curry: the twilight of democracy explains with
43:54
electrifying clarity why some of her contemporaries have
43:58
abandoned liberal democratic ideas in favor of strong man
44:02
cults nationalist movements, or one party states
44:07
John C Dvorak: surely this named people that have gone for that
44:10
Adam Curry: I'm not gonna I'm just reading from her blurb
44:14
blurb that she to help man Stalin's war on Ukraine she she
44:19
knows it all. She she knows it all. Okay, so we've established
44:24
what she is and who she is what she does,
44:26
John C Dvorak: and every we have to do this over and over again,
44:28
she's she's the perfect and an apple bombs or name. Okay?
44:34
Adam Curry: What Sure. Oh,
44:37
John C Dvorak: well, you know, the CIA read names everybody, is
44:41
something you're saying if you're gonna start renaming
44:44
people with some phony baloney names, I think an apple bomb is
44:49
pretty good choice.
44:51
Adam Curry: Let's see. Oh, and her most recent article in The
44:55
Atlantic. Is was May 1. The Case for Tow to liberation of
45:00
Ukraine, Russia must be expelled from all of Ukraine's territory,
45:04
including Crimea. So this is what she may be writing and
45:11
saying, you know, for all of her Washington, DC hoity toity
45:14
people but as we know, if you put any of these, any of these
45:19
intellectuals, anybody really reporter, he put them on a
45:23
podcast what happens? They talk or they speak out of turn. They
45:28
say too much. They say way too much. And wouldn't you know it?
45:33
She was on the pivot podcast, which is the award winning
45:36
technology podcast that doesn't really talk about technology
45:43
with your favorite of mine, Kara Swisher, and the Professor G.
45:47
Scott Galloway. And they asked her specifically about ending
45:51
the war in Ukraine,
45:53
Unknown: as I said, I think that they're the counter offensive is
45:57
might not look like what we think it would look like. I
45:59
mean, it may not be kind of brigade.
46:02
John C Dvorak: What they've been talking about this counter
46:05
offensive, and so she's been a spokesperson for who knows who.
46:09
And she says, hey, you know, it's not gonna look like we
46:12
think, which means is not either not going to happen, or it's a
46:15
huge dud or some something's wrong,
46:18
Unknown: it's better look like what we think it would look
46:20
like. I mean, it may not be kind of brigades of tanks, you know,
46:23
streaming across the countryside. It may come in fits
46:27
and starts. So there may be, as I said, I think the Ukrainian
46:34
Adam Curry: you can be Go ahead.
46:37
John C Dvorak: How does she know any of this?
46:39
Adam Curry: She's boots on the ground.
46:41
John C Dvorak: Defense Department. She is EIA, what's
46:44
the deal? She's
46:45
Adam Curry: everything she knows what's going on. This is this is
46:47
what's so beautiful about the podcast. Below she think, Oh,
46:50
I'm just gonna chat with with Kara and Scott the way we do it
46:54
at the club, head, the lip Joe club, we're just going to talk a
46:57
little bit and because you know, this is how they talk, when
47:00
they're on the phone. She's forgetting that people listen to
47:02
the podcast, she's very different when she's on MSNBC,
47:07
or CNN or even one of the weather networks. She's an
47:11
official, she's that she is a spokes hole for what's going on.
47:15
She's written the book,
47:17
Unknown: it may come in fits and starts, she's a patriot. So
47:20
there may be, as I said, I think the Ukrainians are going to be
47:23
probing up and down the line. They're going to be looking for
47:27
political opportunities, as well as military opportunities.
47:30
They're, they're what part of their goal is to kind of
47:33
destabilize the Kremlin, as we've already discussed, and,
47:37
and create a sense in Russia that just that the war is a
47:42
waste of time. And
47:43
Adam Curry: this is very important, because this is what
47:45
she's part of, is these groups that go in and do subversive
47:50
stuff in a country to chant, you know, coup, basically color
47:55
revolution. And they have had in their mind for the longest time,
47:59
if only we can get Vladimir Putin to be thrown out by his
48:03
own people. This is what they really want. But you know, Putin
48:07
throughout all the NGOs funded by USA ID he saw it come and he
48:12
saw it. And what was that in 2015? Or something he
48:14
John C Dvorak: saw was a while ago, they can't touch him. Yeah.
48:18
So
48:18
Adam Curry: but you know, so anyway, this is what the
48:20
Ukrainians are now going to do.
48:21
Unknown: And if destabilize the Kremlin, as we've already
48:23
discussed, and, and create a sense in Russia that, you know,
48:29
just that the war is a waste of time and a waste of energy. And
48:32
it's an it's an it should be stopped.
48:34
Adam Curry: But that sounds like a plan. Yeah, let's convince to
48:37
Putin isn't that it's a waste of time. Should you just
48:41
Unknown: remember, they don't need to occupy Moscow or conquer
48:44
Moscow or take Russian territory, they have no
48:47
ambitions like that. All they have to do is convince the
48:50
Russians, you know, to go home. And really the moment the moment
48:54
when the Russians withdraw their troops, the war's over, you
48:57
know, since it can, so there's no complicated, you know,
49:00
territorial negotiation. There's nothing complex that needs to be
49:03
done. They just need to leave and then it's over. But they're
49:06
not going to leave. Right. They're not willing. I mean,
49:08
Adam Curry: they have left such a probing question, Kara,
49:10
Swisher? Well, well,
49:12
Unknown: Plex that needs to be done. They just need to leave
49:14
and then it's over. But they're not going to leave. Right.
49:17
They're not willing.
49:17
I mean, they have left, they left Pearson, they left arkiv.
49:22
And they left, you know, the northern part of Ukraine that
49:24
they conquered the beginning of the war. So there's some
49:26
precedent for thinking they could leave.
49:28
Adam Curry: So what if they just left back moot? Then they could,
49:32
Oh, it's over. They left. Maybe that's why all this focus is on
49:36
that right now. Maybe this is the Wagner group's job, because
49:40
they're fairweather friends, by all we give up. We have no
49:43
support. There's not that we're leaving. And then then they
49:46
could clear victory. I mean, we still have to prosecute Vladimir
49:51
Putin at the International Criminal Court. But that would
49:55
be one area. She's definitely backpedaling on the war aspect
49:59
of it. Oh, I don't want to have to convince the people of the
50:02
Russia to tell Vladimir Putin it's a waste of time. He just
50:05
needs to pull out and then it's over the war's over done. That's
50:08
what I heard from Anne Applebaum. Did you hear that?
50:13
John C Dvorak: I heard that. The Ukrainians have got nothing.
50:19
That's why there's not going to be a counter offensive, which
50:22
they've been putting off. It seems to me an awful long time.
50:26
But your thesis because of the it's possible that his Wagner
50:29
group guy who's out and notorious for being a blowhard,
50:34
according to other reports, may you might be right, he may be
50:37
setting it up for this withdrawal. And in the Russians.
50:41
For one thing, they're leaving a mess.
50:44
Adam Curry: Yeah, for sure.
50:45
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's the areas that the Russians are
50:48
dicking around and are, are messed up. And they've killed a
50:54
lot of people. Yes, a
50:56
Adam Curry: very bad day for Ukrainians. They're
50:58
John C Dvorak: so bad day. And so well, let me give you some
51:04
you know what they could do? I
51:05
Adam Curry: mean, let me let me give you a little more, because
51:07
this was a long interview.
51:10
John C Dvorak: I'm all ears here.
51:12
Adam Curry: So now listen to this, about the US is support in
51:18
all of this, what do we really want to have happen
51:21
Unknown: to how would you assess the West?
51:23
Adam Curry: Well, I'm Bob Scott.
51:28
Unknown: Bomer, Professor of Marketing. I'm a professor of
51:30
marketing at NYU, and I'm going to talk more now with you.
51:35
How would you assess the West's support for Ukraine? And
51:39
Adam Curry: what what are your views on on? Do you have a
51:42
message for for the West? Do you have a message? Can you give us
51:46
the CIA's message and Ukraine and what what are your views on
51:51
Do you have a message for for the West,
51:53
Unknown: so it's really impressive what we've done so
51:56
far, and it's a lot more than anybody had ever expected. And
52:00
it's that's also a reflection of the fact that Ukrainians just
52:04
impressed people, you know, Solinsky was good at
52:06
communicating. But it wasn't just him. It was the, you know,
52:09
the, you know, the Ukrainians fought back, you know, and
52:11
Marielle. Paul, for example, the very good, you know, early part
52:14
of the war and kids. And because of that, the nice is rub
52:19
John C Dvorak: alized.
52:23
Adam Curry: We continue, oh, Paul,
52:24
Unknown: for example, let's
52:25
Adam Curry: go back to it on that one indicating, but
52:26
Unknown: it wasn't just him. It was the, you know, the
52:28
Ukrainians fought back, you know, at Marielle pole, for
52:31
example, at the very early part of the war. And he is, and
52:36
because I
52:38
Adam Curry: did you hear what I just heard, I didn't hear this
52:40
before. Did you hear what I just heard? She said, Kyiv? She said
52:44
Kyiv? Maybe she's a double agent.
52:50
John C Dvorak: You know, I, I wonder about when you talk to
52:53
people from the area, they say you can pronounce it either way.
52:56
It's no big deal. But we've been known as a key reason and the
53:00
only inundated by saying Kyiv it could be a part of the milieu
53:05
she's
53:05
Adam Curry: in. Yeah, Russian KGB, I think she's a
53:09
John C Dvorak: CIA may be calling it killer. Oh,
53:11
Adam Curry: good. One,
53:12
Unknown: Ukrainians fought back, you know, in Marielle. Paul, for
53:15
example, at the very early part of the war, and he is, and
53:19
because of that you've had this galvanizing effect on Europe on
53:23
America, you know, and our willingness to give them weapons
53:26
and help them is extraordinary. I would say one thing, which is
53:30
that we always seem to be kind of three or four beats behind
53:33
the situation. You know, eventually we will give them you
53:37
know, we said we wouldn't give them high marzi, these long
53:39
range missiles, long range artillery, you know, and then we
53:42
did, you know, we've said we wouldn't give them airplanes,
53:45
and now actually, they're beginning to get some airplanes
53:47
from, from European countries. And we may eventually do that,
53:50
too. And it would help if we would give them more
53:53
immediately, because then we could maybe end the war more
53:57
quickly. I mean, the danger of this war, obviously, is that it
53:59
drags on, which is not good for them, not good for us not good
54:02
for anybody, and having a decisive plan to end it, you
54:07
know, soon isn't something super decisive plan to end it, you
54:15
know, soon isn't something I'm feeling from Washington. I mean,
54:19
Washington remains in Washington meeting in the White House
54:22
dependent on lots of different people remains nervous about the
54:26
idea that the Ukrainians could win in other words, could push
54:29
the Russians out of at least their territory since February
54:33
22. Taken since February 2022. But in more than that February
54:38
in territory taken since 2014. And there seems to be there's
54:42
there's still a lot of nervousness and I think that
54:45
that's that's been a kind of drag on the war. And there's a
54:49
danger that that nervousness could extend the war. So they
54:52
don't want them to win too much. They just want them to take they
54:55
seem to not they nobody says it quite like that. Nobody will
54:59
ever say that. on the record, you know, even off the record,
55:02
they don't really say that
55:02
Adam Curry: except on our podcast your dog's Stupid woman
55:07
Unknown: to take. They seem to not that nobody says it quite
55:10
like that. Nobody will ever say that on the record, you know,
55:13
even off the record, they don't really say that. But yeah, it's
55:17
pretty clear that they are there. They're nervous about
55:19
what that would mean. And I think that's wrong because again
55:21
for now, I think I said this to another time it's a it's a
55:24
political struggle as well as a military one and the Russians
55:27
have to be convinced that they can't win and that there's no
55:30
opportunity for them to win.
55:31
Adam Curry: That's you said a lot there. And I think go either
55:34
my way or your way what I heard her say was, they want them to
55:39
win but let's not drag this out and try and get Crimea back.
55:43
That's what I hear. What did you hear?
55:46
John C Dvorak: boots on the ground baby? Gum and that's
55:51
possible.
55:53
Adam Curry: It's possible. It's possible I think it could go
55:56
either way. But I just like how podcasts are beautiful, please.
56:02
And I love hearing this on the number one award winning tech
56:05
podcast that's what I love so much about it. It's just
56:08
John C Dvorak: there ever been any tech discussed on this award
56:11
winning tech podcast
56:12
Adam Curry: all the time? It's mainly a cara and Scott get
56:16
Professor G's hatred of Elon Musk that is the extent of tech
56:20
that they discuss. That's really it. That's all they do.
56:27
John C Dvorak: Well, as long as they win awards,
56:30
Adam Curry: and abroad, they're very very, very happy about
56:32
their award. They think they're great.
56:34
John C Dvorak: Who they get an award from.
56:36
Adam Curry: Oh, it's like a it was a big award like the
56:38
webisodes are one of those
56:40
John C Dvorak: Oh, webby.
56:41
Adam Curry: Yeah. webby. Have you ever won a Webby?
56:45
John C Dvorak: No, only really, we had a woman who started the
56:50
web. He's on the old silicon spin show. She was actually part
56:53
of, I think she worked at Tech TV for a while. And very nice,
56:57
nice, nice girl who was kind of a pretty blonde that was kind of
57:03
like over over made up or quite attractive. And in a funny kind
57:08
of a high schoolish way then one of the girls that was also a
57:13
staffer knew her in high school. And she was one of those good
57:17
looking Mean Girls, where we had, and she was she hated her.
57:22
And I said, well, she's nice, and she was good on the show.
57:24
She's very charming, charming, sharp, and inventive, and can
57:30
manage to make these webs work. I was very impressed by her. Let
57:34
me say number name.
57:36
Adam Curry: It's, I know the guy who produces that friend of mine
57:39
actually produces the award show itself and he's not cheap. He
57:43
does very, very expensive stuff. I'm trying to find this award
57:46
that they want I can't seem to find it.
57:49
John C Dvorak: The their partner award, we should win the
57:53
Peabody.
57:55
Adam Curry: You've said this several Hey, I'm still waiting
57:57
for my for my production of war sound award.
58:03
John C Dvorak: Don't worry, you're gonna get it. From A to B
58:08
from the audio engineers are one of those guys
58:10
Adam Curry: that they never even televised those. Well, you're
58:14
not gonna get
58:14
John C Dvorak: televised.
58:16
Adam Curry: But you don't even get an
58:18
John C Dvorak: audio guy ever gets on television.
58:21
Adam Curry: I want Ricky Gervais to accept for me. I accept the
58:26
on behalf of curry. Meanwhile, the American public is not
58:29
foolish. Now they know exactly what's going on C span is where
58:33
they they air their grievances because hey, it's television.
58:37
Unknown: Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. 62
58:47
Adam Curry: Thanks for taking my call.
58:48
Unknown: I've never seen our country in such turmoil. You
58:54
know, Donald Trump, as much as people hate that man. He's given
58:58
us a peek behind the curtains, how things work. For example,
59:03
your last segment regarding the war. It's funny how the media,
59:09
they don't quite live. They just give you one side of the story.
59:14
The media is in bed with the politicians, the National
59:19
Security Agency spying on a president changing elections. We
59:26
have a war in Ukraine. That was started by us. We blew up the
59:33
Nord Stream pipeline. We're letting millions of immigrants
59:38
flow across our border.
59:41
How do we how do we blow up the Nord Stream pipeline?
59:46
Well, again, if the media would do their job, The New York Times
59:52
journalist as wrote about this in detail wrote about it and how
59:58
this was done. Joe Biden even set it on television not quite
1:00:03
said we're gonna do it. But he was asked how you're going to
1:00:07
stop the pipeline. He said, We got ways to do it. Now the media
1:00:12
would get on board. You guys are supposed to be. You're in the
1:00:17
Constitution you you're protecting the people. But
1:00:21
you're all in cahoots with the politicians, the establishment,
1:00:25
the very powerful people the Bilderberg people, right?
1:00:30
Billionaires global world order. They want us eaten by a
1:00:35
Democratic women women or men, every institution upside down.
1:00:41
Nobody trusts anybody anymore.
1:00:45
Let's stop right there. Let's go to Sandra who's calling from
1:00:48
Tennessee. All the independent life.
1:00:51
John C Dvorak: Alright, well, today for that guy.
1:00:55
Unknown: That's very, very good.
1:00:59
John C Dvorak: That was the that's the black Democrat Host.
1:01:02
Yeah, the big bugs I call these really hates Trump. Oh, well,
1:01:09
Adam Curry: let's play this one for him. Then a just in the I
1:01:13
don't know how this gets out video of Trump's deposition in
1:01:17
the accusation. This is great. This is only a little piece and
1:01:22
there's no it's on YouTube. So they had to censor out the word
1:01:26
rape for some reason. I guess YouTube kicks it off if you have
1:01:29
rape in there. But it's the President being deposed about E.
1:01:33
J. Carroll. We when she first came out with this accusation a
1:01:37
couple years ago, we played several clips was so
1:01:40
embarrassing that even Anderson Cooper would just like take this
1:01:43
woman off the air when she was like yeah, rapists sexy This is
1:01:47
that she's a nut job frightening. And people are
1:01:52
sending me these clips like it's new. Hey, look at Anderson
1:01:55
Cooper did Yeah, four years ago whenever it was. But here's a
1:01:58
little piece of the deposition.
1:02:00
Unknown: Okay, then you go on to say in the statements. And while
1:02:04
I am not supposed to say it, I will.
1:02:07
Why were you not supposed to say
1:02:09
it? Because it's not politically correct to say, read the next go
1:02:13
ahead. That she's not my type. Because it's not politically
1:02:17
correct to say it, and I know that but I'll say it anyway.
1:02:21
She's accusing me of a woman that I have no idea who she is
1:02:25
the worst thing you can do the worst charge. And, and you know,
1:02:31
it's you know, it's not true to your political operative. Also
1:02:34
your disk. You're a disgrace. But she's accusing me and so you
1:02:39
have, and it never took place. And I will tell you, I made that
1:02:43
statement. I said, Well, it's politically incorrect. She's not
1:02:47
my type. And that's 100%. True. She's not my type.
1:02:50
You are referring to her physical looks correct. Just the
1:02:54
overall not
1:02:55
my I look at her. I see her I hear what she says. Whatever.
1:03:00
You wouldn't be a choice of mine either. To be honest with you, I
1:03:02
hope you're not insulted. I would not, under any
1:03:05
circumstances have any interest in you. Be honest, when I say
1:03:10
it, the only difference between me and other people as I'm
1:03:13
honest.
1:03:15
John C Dvorak: I love I was watching some of the analysis of
1:03:19
this. And there are guys I know are Trump haters on certain
1:03:22
networks. Yeah. And they just thought it was the funniest
1:03:25
thing that because you have to admire a guy who goes in a
1:03:29
deposition and he's calling out the lawyer on the other side for
1:03:32
being
1:03:33
Adam Curry: not not as tight homely. Just for people refresh
1:03:39
people's memory that was 2019 June 27 is when we have the clip
1:03:43
of E Jean Carroll talking to Anderson Cooper, about about
1:03:47
this rape and what she thinks of rape. You don't feel
1:03:50
Unknown: like a victim. I was not thrown on the ground and
1:03:52
ravish which the word rape carries so many sexual
1:03:56
connotations. This was not this was not sexual. It just It hurt.
1:04:02
It just was it just you know, I think
1:04:04
John C Dvorak: most people think of rape as I mean it is a
1:04:07
violent assault. It is not I think
1:04:09
Unknown: most people think of rape as being sexy. Go to
1:04:13
commercial fantasies. We've just got to take a quick break. If
1:04:18
you can stick around we'll talk more fascinating to talk to you.
1:04:24
John C Dvorak: Oh wow, I forgot about that.
1:04:27
Adam Curry: That's horrible for that woman say that that's
1:04:29
horrible. Horrible.
1:04:33
John C Dvorak: And by the you know in a dressing room Have you
1:04:36
ever been I've been in a number of these do you have much
1:04:39
anymore, but in these department stores had the dressing rooms
1:04:43
get through somebody on the floors, no room in those things.
1:04:46
Not like a lounge
1:04:48
Adam Curry: you haven't been into the women's dressing rooms.
1:04:50
They got definitely got lounges in there as well. There's party
1:04:54
to get champagne bars and got all kinds of stuff going in the
1:04:58
wrong store. At meanwhile, Oh, it looks like MSNBC is
1:05:02
definitely trying to take down President Biden, you know, as
1:05:06
you said, the word is out. It's take down Biden time,
1:05:10
Unknown: in less than four weeks, the government's going to
1:05:13
run out of money. And so many of these economic winds could fall
1:05:17
by the wayside as president, what are you going to do to help
1:05:21
us avoid default?
1:05:23
Look, look, look, not as long ago solitary Congress has ever
1:05:27
reneged on a debt. The debt is not a debt that I accumulated,
1:05:30
the debt is not a debt that occurred over the last several
1:05:33
years. It's 200 years, the debt 200 years. And the idea that we
1:05:39
wouldn't pay our debt is bizarre.
1:05:43
Adam Curry: You know, I've always noticed this. I remember
1:05:48
Dave Winer would write about it, you know, Dave and I, we
1:05:52
invented podcasting together. But when it comes to the debt
1:05:57
ceiling, he's like, this is where America is our full faith
1:06:01
and credit. I mean, of course, we have to we have to print more
1:06:04
money, we have to borrow more money. And I've never understood
1:06:07
that, that that it's like it's embedded in people's brains. We
1:06:11
all know, what are you talking about? That's just crazy talk.
1:06:15
We've we've always done that. 200 years. You heard the
1:06:18
President say it, and believe it or not a economist of the of the
1:06:22
country, Nobel Peace Prize, Nobel economic Prize winning
1:06:27
economist Paul Krugman, on May 3, says, again, minting a $1
1:06:33
trillion coin to prevent a debt ceiling crisis is possible would
1:06:37
not be inflationary. How I mean, is this. Am I crazy? I mean,
1:06:45
we've just we've heard this for so many years. Though a trillion
1:06:52
dollar it could it be? It has to be platinum. Best to be
1:06:55
platinum. It wouldn't wait before
1:06:57
John C Dvorak: you go off and off on this. You didn't have the
1:07:00
Trump are you talking about Trump and the rape?
1:07:03
Adam Curry: Oh, well, I have I have another Biden thing from
1:07:05
Stephanie. Rule two, I have trumping the rape, which I would
1:07:09
trump in the rape. Is that a show? Is that a show titled
1:07:11
Trump in the rape? No.
1:07:14
John C Dvorak: Rape would be nice in the title. All right. I
1:07:16
just want to play these two clips. One is just Trump. He
1:07:19
wants to change the venue for the rape trial, or DOJ This is
1:07:25
no this isn't the Wright brothers. The other trial bus,
1:07:27
you know, it's just a harassment trial. This is the one for him
1:07:31
and his election fraud.
1:07:32
Unknown: And other news The Trump legal team is reportedly
1:07:35
trying to move the former president's criminal case from
1:07:38
New York City to a federal court and if successful, they could
1:07:41
mean a more favorable outcome for Trump. Shifting to federal
1:07:45
court could give Trump an advantage because it would
1:07:48
expand the possible jury pool outside of Manhattan where more
1:07:51
voters favored President Biden and Democrats. A federal judge
1:07:55
would have to approve their request. The 45th President
1:07:58
entered a not guilty plea to 34 felony counts of falsifying
1:08:02
business records. It's in connection to payments that his
1:08:05
campaign made during the 2016 election to silence allegations
1:08:09
about an affair. Trump has denied having an affair and also
1:08:13
denied any wrongdoing in the case.
1:08:15
Adam Curry: It's quite a stretch. The way they explain
1:08:19
what that trial is about it's
1:08:20
John C Dvorak: quite as Yeah, it is kind of a stretch but but it
1:08:23
brought me to this old supercut supercar this is this pretty
1:08:29
much the same kind of thing that happened to John it may what
1:08:32
happened on air was it was right to John Edwards case where he
1:08:36
actually not only had an affair with a woman that he brought
1:08:39
bought off with campaign funds. But she had a kid she had a
1:08:44
child by him and it was like, a little more, more sleazy. I
1:08:48
think Trump went through But Leslie but the mainstream media
1:08:52
meanwhile, doesn't have this didn't have the same kind of
1:08:54
fire. We got Trump now he's going to jail. Jails again.
1:08:59
Let's listen to how they treated the John Edwards the same
1:09:03
mainstream media people with the exception of a few got axed. In
1:09:06
the meantime, there are back in the day
1:09:08
Unknown: growing questions tonight over whether the
1:09:10
government overreached and its indictment of former
1:09:12
presidential candidate John Edwards Edwards is accused of
1:09:15
using campaign funds to hide an extramarital affair.
1:09:19
There are growing questions over the indictment a former
1:09:21
presidential candidate John Edwards for allegedly using
1:09:24
campaign funds to hide an affair. Did the government
1:09:27
overreach
1:09:27
This looks like one of those things you read about in third
1:09:29
world countries or India somewhere in Pakistan? When they
1:09:32
get somebody's been out of office a couple of years get
1:09:34
them while they're down hit it with some incredible charge with
1:09:36
campaign funding that nobody's ever heard of before and put
1:09:39
them away for a while. It just looks like revenge.
1:09:41
Adam Curry: Should we remind everybody John Edwards was a
1:09:43
Democrat I think this you kind of missed Oh, yes. John
1:09:45
John C Dvorak: Edwards was a Democrat. Hello. Right. Right in
1:09:49
the setup there that is the main thing to note that's the main
1:09:52
difference
1:09:53
Unknown: credible charge with campaign funding that nobody's
1:09:55
ever heard of before and put them away for a while. It just
1:09:58
looks like revenge against the party. against somebody lost an
1:10:00
election,
1:10:01
even if most of the facts prove true, there already is
1:10:04
controversy over whether it all amounts to a federal crime
1:10:08
critics
1:10:08
blast the government's case against the former presidential
1:10:11
candidate. Why they say what he did may not have been against
1:10:14
the law today.
1:10:15
So I guess the question is, is is CAD or criminal? I
1:10:19
mean, there are people who are saying that this indictment is
1:10:21
very questionable. A Washington Post editorial said it is
1:10:25
troubling that the Justice Department would choose to
1:10:27
devote its scarce resources to pursuing this questionable case.
1:10:31
Even some of those with no love for AdWords are scratching their
1:10:34
heads over the charges.
1:10:35
Even some who find Edwards behavior despicable question,
1:10:39
the strength of this case, leave him alone.
1:10:42
I mean, why waste our effort on that? What
1:10:44
are your what's your political view? Do you think it's politics
1:10:46
and as prosecute? Was it just a Republican US Attorney going
1:10:49
after this guy sticking around to do the dirty work for the
1:10:51
Adam Curry: arts? Yeah, yeah. Well, the difference is clear.
1:10:56
It was a Democrat versus a
1:10:57
John C Dvorak: Republican. But of course, it was just to be
1:11:00
noted, It should be noted,
1:11:01
Adam Curry: I want to go back to the trillion dollar coin for a
1:11:03
second because this is all part of what is supposed to take down
1:11:06
Joe Biden. And Krugman who says and he tweeted this, so you
1:11:11
know, is he's serious, quote, the Fed would surely sterilize
1:11:15
any impact on the monetary base by selling off some of its huge
1:11:19
portfolio of US debt, suggesting the Fed would likely sell $1
1:11:24
trillion worth of government bonds. In fact, he says, it's
1:11:27
more likely that the Federal Reserve, the government would
1:11:30
issue premium bonds to avoid default, then mint the $1
1:11:34
trillion coin, but he says the trillion dollar coin would not
1:11:38
be inflated, it would not be inflationary. And and he says
1:11:42
that the Fed Chairman probably wouldn't accept it. I mean,
1:11:44
would you have some dude came up and said, Hey, I got a trillion
1:11:47
dollar platinum could be wanted. I don't think I'd accepted
1:11:50
either.
1:11:52
John C Dvorak: Somebody gave me a trillion dollars worth of
1:11:54
platinum. No. Yeah, right. I think is it 1200 bucks. I'm not
1:11:58
sure what it is announced. But 900 at 1200. That means,
1:12:02
Adam Curry: meanwhile, we just have bank after bank going out
1:12:04
of business. This is kind of fun. Now that works. Alright,
1:12:09
back to taking the take down of President Joe Biden was
1:12:13
Stephanie rule, who is also a finance Insider. The boys at the
1:12:18
trading floor loved her.
1:12:20
Unknown: He was officially announced you're running for
1:12:22
reelection. And in your first video, you feature vice
1:12:26
president Harris 10 times when Obama was in that position? He
1:12:31
didn't mention you, sir. What are you trying to tell us?
1:12:34
Adam Curry: Wow, what's the what would the SIR business Stephanie
1:12:38
was pretty rude? Or what is she trying to be? As this like I
1:12:43
John C Dvorak: was, I thought that was a very rude way of
1:12:45
asking that question. In fact,
1:12:47
Adam Curry: I have a feeling that these questions were
1:12:51
inserted later. You know how they do an over the shoulder,
1:12:54
but
1:12:55
John C Dvorak: I don't believe it. Now. They can't you you
1:12:57
think that's that's chicken shit. Stephanie rule
1:13:01
Unknown: when Obama was in that position? He didn't mention you,
1:13:05
sir. Sir. What are you trying to tell us? Well,
1:13:09
Adam Curry: did you just laugh at him? She laughed in his face.
1:13:14
Unknown: What are you trying to tell us? Well,
1:13:18
Adam Curry: whether that was edited or not, that's a lot. Now
1:13:21
that she laughed at him.
1:13:22
Unknown: What are you trying to?
1:13:24
Well, the President did well, and I became very good friends.
1:13:29
I we just have a slightly different style of how we do
1:13:33
things, as you recall. So every major initiative President Obama
1:13:40
had, I was the last guy in the room, deciding that with him
1:13:44
giving him any advice on what we should do. And he's committed to
1:13:48
help in any way can this time out? Whoa. But look, I just
1:13:52
think the Vice President Harris hasn't gotten the credit she
1:13:55
deserves. She's an attorney in the state of California. She has
1:14:01
been a United States Senator, she is really very, very good.
1:14:05
And with everything going on, she hasn't gotten the attention
1:14:08
she deserves.
1:14:10
Adam Curry: Well, she's getting it now. Because she's in charge
1:14:14
of the AI. Danger, danger, danger AI is going to take over
1:14:19
the world it's going to steal your job. But luckily, Kamala
1:14:22
Harris, Vice President to the rescue,
1:14:25
Unknown: the White House is now signaling its support for some
1:14:28
rules and regulations surrounding the launch, if you
1:14:31
will of artificial intelligence as the new technology begins to
1:14:33
disrupt a number of industries with some experts warning can
1:14:36
end up wreaking havoc on society, if not properly
1:14:39
constrained, by administration hosted a meeting today with a
1:14:42
number of big tech executives to discuss the risks posed by AI
1:14:45
while also discussing potential safeguards. And a statement the
1:14:48
vice president Kamala Harris, who took part in the meeting
1:14:51
warned that AI has the quote, potential to dramatically
1:14:53
increase threats to safety and security, infringe on civil
1:14:57
rights and privacy and erode public trust and faith.
1:15:00
democracy civil rights Exactly. uplifting. Wait, wait,
1:15:03
Adam Curry: wait. Let's see. Let's see those dangers again,
1:15:05
write them down. We want to make sure that this doesn't happen
1:15:07
John C Dvorak: is like bull crap. I mean, how how does it
1:15:11
have to do with any of this? So I know I know what's going on
1:15:13
here. Hold
1:15:14
Unknown: on the statement, the Vice President Kamala Harris,
1:15:15
who took part in the meeting warned that AI has the glory
1:15:18
attention.
1:15:18
Adam Curry: Did she take part in she lead the meeting, and I
1:15:21
think that that's a slam right there from NBC. She led the
1:15:25
meeting Chuck
1:15:25
Unknown: statement, the Vice President Kamala Harris, who
1:15:27
took part in the meeting warned that AI has the potential to
1:15:30
dramatically increase threats to safety and security and fringe
1:15:34
on civil rights and privacy and erode public trust and faith in
1:15:37
democracy. Faith exactly uplifting faith in democracy.
1:15:41
Today's meeting comes days after the so called godfather of AI
1:15:44
says he left Google to more freely speak out about the
1:15:46
dangers that technology can pose.
1:15:49
Adam Curry: Alright, so a couple things. This is the oldest trick
1:15:52
in the book. This is now remember, our general thesis is
1:15:58
the ad market has gone incredibly soft. The big tech
1:16:02
companies had staffed up during COVID they tick tock caveman
1:16:07
started to threaten everybody's business certainly met us
1:16:10
business and even Google's we know fact that Google from
1:16:14
Google's own internal research one out of two people search for
1:16:18
things on Tik Tok before they search on Google Tik Tok has
1:16:21
entered the search ad market place. And what do you do when
1:16:26
your notice who wasn't at the table? Tik Tok wasn't at the
1:16:30
table bytedance wasn't at the table that I'm aware of. You
1:16:33
know, all you do is you go you go to the you go to the
1:16:36
government you say look, we got a new thing here. This is the
1:16:39
new new thing. It's the hot thing everybody wants it. AI is
1:16:44
what can we can call ai ai is is the new blockchain. Yeah, that's
1:16:49
it. AI is the new blockchain blockchain blockchain. Do we
1:16:52
remember blockchain horror
1:16:53
John C Dvorak: horror was an I used to come at during the
1:16:55
heyday of blockchain. Now, these these moribund companies would
1:17:00
come up and all of a sudden introduced we're gonna have
1:17:03
blockchain they just say the word and the stock would go up
1:17:06
five point riot was famous. Now it's the same thing with AI, the
1:17:10
stock goes right up.
1:17:11
Adam Curry: Yep. So what do you what do you want to do is you
1:17:14
want to make sure that and this is why we had this letter signed
1:17:18
the open letter by Elon Musk, who as you notice has no AI
1:17:22
play, he doesn't have a play. So that was all ordered, slow down,
1:17:26
but slow down by six, six months, at least. So by can
1:17:29
catch up with my AI play. So it's the new blockchain and then
1:17:35
the getting ahead of the game this time. This is we need a new
1:17:39
or expanded section 230 Something that new entrants into
1:17:43
the AI space cannot compete with because they won't have the
1:17:48
money. This is the old that's why it's communist job. We all
1:17:51
know what the idea is here. They're all there in DC, not for
1:17:55
this dumb meeting, that they're at every one every senator and
1:17:59
Congressman's door. I'm talking about, you know, what kind of
1:18:02
legislation can we put in place of no other people can get into
1:18:04
our coveted AI space? By gotta go do the stupid meeting with
1:18:09
the Vice President for a minute photo op. That's all they of
1:18:12
course, they want regulation. They love it. They want the
1:18:15
regulation so they can own the space. And that just does.
1:18:19
John C Dvorak: Yeah, absolutely. This is the general no agenda
1:18:23
thesis how you
1:18:24
Adam Curry: do it. Now you heard in that report. And we discussed
1:18:27
this on the last show that the godfather of AI that he had left
1:18:32
Google so he could speak freely about it. Because I don't know
1:18:36
if Google like some kind of Gulag where you can't talk. Like
1:18:39
when you work there. It's like, oh, you can't discuss anything.
1:18:43
What
1:18:43
John C Dvorak: we should mention. If all this is true,
1:18:46
they would have had him sign an NDA upon his resignation for a
1:18:50
pot of money. And he wouldn't be talking at all. So he's out
1:18:54
there talking because he's allowed to talk or they move on
1:18:57
him to talk or something
1:18:59
Adam Curry: on tables or talk may be the right one. And the
1:19:02
big get was for PBS. PBS News Hour, completely independent.
1:19:09
They have the get and we know the guy's name now. He has three
1:19:13
names, like any criminal, Jeff Bennett, Jeffrey Hilton Hinton,
1:19:19
Jeff Bennett. No, it can't be it. Geoffrey Hinton I don't even
1:19:23
know the guy's name. Let's listen to him.
1:19:24
Unknown: This has been a week where concerns over the rapidly
1:19:27
expanding use of artificial intelligence and I think
1:19:29
Adam Curry: the general Jeff Bennett is the PBS guy Geoffrey
1:19:32
Hinton, Geoffrey Hinton, this AI guy, I've misread my own titles
1:19:36
Unknown: resonated loudly in Washington and around the world
1:19:39
Adam Curry: row resonated loudly. It was it was the was
1:19:42
the the resignation heard around the world,
1:19:46
Unknown: Vice President Carter the guy.
1:19:49
Adam Curry: Let's do that, again,
1:19:50
Unknown: resonated loudly in Washington and around the world.
1:19:54
Vice President Kamala Harris met yesterday with top executives
1:19:57
from companies leading in AI development my Microsoft Google
1:20:01
Open AI and anthropic the anthropic, as President
1:20:04
discussed some of the growing risks and told the companies
1:20:07
they had a, quote, moral obligation to develop AI safely.
1:20:11
That meeting came just days after one of the leading voices
1:20:15
in the field of AI. Dr. Geoffrey Hinton, announced he was
1:20:18
quitting Google over his worries about the future of AI, and what
1:20:22
it could eventually lead to unchecked. We're going to hear
1:20:25
about some of those concerns now with Dr. Geoffrey Hinton, who
1:20:28
joins me from London.
1:20:30
Adam Curry: See us escape to London doing in London is with
1:20:33
the coronation, of course, time to party down
1:20:35
Unknown: what are those risks? As you see it,
1:20:37
there are quite a few different risks. There's the risk of
1:20:42
producing a lot of fake news so nobody knows what's true
1:20:45
anymore.
1:20:46
Adam Curry: And we need AI for that. We need
1:20:48
John C Dvorak: AI for that Macedonia did the job just fine.
1:20:51
Yeah. How
1:20:52
Adam Curry: about the troll farms? They were great. We don't
1:20:54
know farm need AI? May be cheaper, but okay.
1:20:58
John C Dvorak: Is it even cheaper
1:20:59
Unknown: to have encouraging polarization? By getting people
1:21:04
to click on things that make them indignant?
1:21:06
John C Dvorak: What do you mean? What you mean, clickbait me
1:21:09
like, Hey, I can't do clickbait we do clickbait the American
1:21:14
creative types do clickbait and we do
1:21:17
Adam Curry: it great. We do we do. We do great clickbait,
1:21:21
Unknown: there's the risk of putting people out of work, that
1:21:25
it should be that when we make things more productive, when we
1:21:28
greatly increase productivity, it helps everybody. But there's
1:21:31
let me
1:21:32
Adam Curry: stop that for a second. i It is my belief that
1:21:36
no matter and I do not think AI is any risk or any opportunity,
1:21:40
honestly, I mean, there's some writing opportunities, okay.
1:21:43
It's a large language model. So it can do writing stuff very
1:21:46
good. With as with every new technology, stuff has to go
1:21:51
away. And then there's and jobs go away. And then there's new
1:21:55
jobs for that new opportunities. Isn't that what it always is?
1:21:59
It's not like us the way tech works, the tea the PC revolution
1:22:03
did not lead everybody job was created millions of jobs. Be
1:22:08
even the one that the automobile all the buggy drivers. Oh, they
1:22:12
were going after that, what do we get? We get cab drivers. And
1:22:16
then Uber came along, and then everybody was a cab driver, it
1:22:19
only gets better, right? This is patently not true. But there's
1:22:23
Unknown: the worry that it might just help the rich. And then
1:22:25
there's the risk that I like to
1:22:27
John C Dvorak: help the rich help the rich, brother,
1:22:31
communist.
1:22:33
Unknown: But there's the worry that it might just help the
1:22:35
rich. And then there's the risk that I want to talk about.
1:22:40
John C Dvorak: We interrupt these fictitious clips in much.
1:22:42
Yeah, it's my worry. Yes. That this will help the rich. Yeah.
1:22:48
Why is he worried about it helping the rich he did to do? I
1:22:52
would have originally to help and Jugaad let's don't let them
1:22:55
get helped by AI is helping the rich somehow you call that he's
1:23:00
sanity? He's a
1:23:01
Adam Curry: commie? You called it? He if you left Google as the
1:23:04
godfather of AI, do you not have any stock? Any options? Are you
1:23:09
not rich, but hope he was maybe that's why he left
1:23:13
John C Dvorak: or maybe the whole thing is a scam these guys
1:23:15
work there. It should
1:23:17
Unknown: be that when we make things more productive, when we
1:23:20
greatly increase productivity, it helps everybody. But there's
1:23:23
the worry that it might just help the rich. And then there's
1:23:26
the risk that I want to talk about many other people talking
1:23:28
about those other risks, including risks of bias and
1:23:31
discrimination. So I want to talk about a different risk,
1:23:34
which is the risk of super intelligent AI, taking over
1:23:38
control from people.
1:23:42
Adam Curry: Okay, last clip, let's hear about this.
1:23:46
Unknown: Is there any turning back when you say that there
1:23:49
will come a time when AI is more intelligent than us? Is there
1:23:52
any coming back from that?
1:23:54
I don't know. We're entering a time of great uncertainty where
1:23:58
we're dealing with kinds of things we've never dealt with
1:24:01
before. It's as if aliens have landed. But we didn't really
1:24:05
take it in because they speak good English.
1:24:07
How should we think differently than about artificial
1:24:10
intelligence,
1:24:12
we should realize that we're probably going to get things
1:24:16
more intelligent than us quite soon. And they will be
1:24:19
wonderful. There'll be able to do all sorts of things very
1:24:22
easily that we find very difficult. So there's huge
1:24:25
positive potential in these things. But of course, there's
1:24:28
also huge negative possibilities. And I think we
1:24:31
should put more or less equal resources into developing AI to
1:24:34
make it much more powerful, and into figuring out how to keep it
1:24:37
under control and how to minimize bad side effects of it.
1:24:43
Adam Curry: Congratulations on that great get PBS news hour.
1:24:48
John C Dvorak: Do you understand what he told me? Absolutely. No,
1:24:51
of
1:24:51
Adam Curry: course is nothing because the guy is a dope. And
1:24:55
what was his biggest invention? How do you How can you be the
1:24:58
godfather of AI? What did you do? I know what I did for
1:25:01
podcasting. Why In fact, I'm called the godfather of
1:25:03
podcasting. I saw RSS said, hey, put an attachment in there and I
1:25:08
said no and I can say it in one in one paragraph. Yeah, you
1:25:12
John C Dvorak: can't because you're the guy that did it.
1:25:14
Right. So
1:25:14
Adam Curry: what this guy do and by the well, you know
1:25:17
John C Dvorak: what? You know, what do I have to ask you, you
1:25:20
know what you're supposed to work.
1:25:23
Adam Curry: Try it again.
1:25:24
John C Dvorak: Hey, guess what? Let's look him up in the
1:25:28
Wikipedia and see exactly what he did was named Jack Kirby.
1:25:36
Adam Curry: Jeffery Kirby Jeffrey with a GE o Freo de GGO.
1:25:42
Geoffrey Hinton Hinton Hinton Here we go. Jeffers,
1:25:47
John C Dvorak: look him up. Hinton okay. This is the way we
1:25:49
do it on this show because you were gas bags as it is. That's
1:25:53
right. Okay. 76. He's a British and
1:25:56
Adam Curry: British Canadian, British Canadian.
1:25:58
John C Dvorak: He worked on neural nets, which is not AI.
1:26:01
Okay is beside the point.
1:26:03
Adam Curry: Google Brain. Google Brain was Google
1:26:07
John C Dvorak: Brain. And
1:26:08
Adam Curry: that was that was their AI that was that was
1:26:11
Sergey Brin. That was what Musk said Sergey Brin stole everybody
1:26:15
to work on Google Brain. Google Brain didn't win any chess match
1:26:19
that was deep blue.
1:26:21
John C Dvorak: So hidden, received the 2018 Turing Award,
1:26:23
which is a big deal, who is the ASHA Bengio and Yan Laocoon. for
1:26:29
their work on deep learning, they are sometimes referred to
1:26:32
as the godfathers of AI in 2018. Ai beams told trend began in the
1:26:38
80s. Do he but he popularized the back propagation algorithm,
1:26:47
or training multi layer neural nets, which again, that's
1:26:51
question
1:26:52
Adam Curry: that's PageRank, isn't it?
1:26:55
John C Dvorak: what back propagation is back propagation
1:26:58
Adam Curry: is part of an algorithm that is
1:26:59
John C Dvorak: a widely used algorithm for training feed
1:27:01
forward artificial neural nets or other parameterised networks
1:27:05
with differentiate the nodes. That's an official hold on we
1:27:09
read the whole thing.
1:27:11
Adam Curry: And open it he's a mathematician he is dad was a
1:27:14
mathematician. He's a math guy and a math guy math dude. All
1:27:17
right. Okay, well, impressive. What is on it? He has a
1:27:23
homepage, which is homepage of Oh my god. It always missing
1:27:28
he's old
1:27:29
John C Dvorak: enough to be the father of something. Yeah.
1:27:32
Adam Curry: His homepage. It looks like it should have Blink
1:27:35
tags. What are those? I generated it with Emacs. That's
1:27:43
in fact, when we take a look at he better he built this with
1:27:45
Emacs.
1:27:46
John C Dvorak: Is this his website in Toronto? Eds? Yes.
1:27:49
Oh, that's probably the ad they'll give Toronto probably
1:27:52
put this together. Looks like this college website.
1:27:56
Adam Curry: Looks like something he would have done himself with
1:27:58
Emacs. Terrible. Yes. With list. Alright, let's get off of that
1:28:03
trigger. ike.org/na.
1:28:06
John C Dvorak: There you go. So Lisp,
1:28:10
Adam Curry: I have one more candidates who's running for
1:28:13
president. And after we play this clip, it will be guaranteed
1:28:17
he will never ever be president I fear for his life. In fact,
1:28:22
John C Dvorak: you Kennedy Yeah. Yeah, he did. But they won't get
1:28:26
close enough that they have to do anything about it.
1:28:28
Adam Curry: Well, he opened up about a bio weaponry and this is
1:28:32
from his book, but I've never heard it told this concisely.
1:28:36
It's important to think the American people, maybe the
1:28:38
people of the world need to hear this. So you understand exactly
1:28:42
where COVID came from. So
1:28:46
Unknown: we went to war, we pass the Patriot Act, and immediately
1:28:50
started giving $2 billion a year to bio weapons development. The
1:28:54
Pentagon didn't want to do it because it was nervous about the
1:28:57
legality, because it was a death penalty to violate the Geneva
1:29:02
Convention. Oh, you would have been committing a you know, a
1:29:06
war crime. Even if somebody told you it was okay. It wasn't. And
1:29:12
so they funneled it through Teatre and DARPA, They funneled
1:29:16
all of that money.
1:29:18
Adam Curry: Did you ask something? No.
1:29:23
Unknown: Hang on. And so they funneled it through Teatre and
1:29:28
DARPA, They funneled all that money. And I age to Nia ID which
1:29:35
became the primary spear tip of bio weapons development. So Tony
1:29:41
Fauci became the bio weapons are in 2001. Is budget went up by
1:29:46
$2.2 billion. He was personally given a 68% raise from the
1:29:51
military. That's why he was the highest paid individual in the
1:29:56
federal government. Because he was getting this 68% Bonus every
1:30:01
year from the military. But it meant that he could not stop.
1:30:06
And the thing the military wanted was getting a function
1:30:09
studies where they could take wild viruses and turn them into
1:30:14
bio weapons. And bio weapons development always includes
1:30:18
vaccine development. Because unlike chemical weapons, with
1:30:22
bio weapons, there's always blowback is called the boomerang
1:30:25
effect. If you give your enemy bubonic plague, your guy's gonna
1:30:29
get it first two are gonna get it quickly. So the only way you
1:30:35
can deploy a bio weapons if you have already developed a
1:30:38
vaccine, so the race is to develop a vaccine simultaneously
1:30:43
via weapons, and then you can deploy the bio weapons and your
1:30:46
enemy will take a couple of years to develop the vaccine.
1:30:51
And you can inoculate all of your team. So in 2014, three of
1:30:58
Tony Fauci these bugs escaped from federal labs. And they
1:31:04
their escapes were public. And it caused a huge brouhaha. There
1:31:12
were Senate hearings, and people were immensely upset. And, and
1:31:18
300, scientists, wrote letter wrote a petition to President
1:31:22
Obama saying you have to shut down Tony Fauci. He's gonna
1:31:26
cause a global pandemic. When Obama declared a moratorium and
1:31:31
to hold Fauci or to Fauci to shut down the ATM studies he was
1:31:36
doing. As I show in my book, he didn't do it. He instead took
1:31:41
that science. And he moved it offshore to the Wuhan lab and to
1:31:45
the Ukraine. And when he did that, he was not the only one
1:31:51
who did it. Tony Fauci spent about $29 million on gain of
1:31:58
function science in Wuhan. But the CIA spent over $100 million.
1:32:04
And the military spend about that much to about 64 million.
1:32:09
And they, the CIA funneled the money, most of it through USA
1:32:14
ID. But they also the CIA, as we now know, was also running this
1:32:22
organization called the Eco Health Alliance. Which Fauci was
1:32:26
funneling his money through, it was like a laundromat where they
1:32:30
funneled federal monies so that it was so that their
1:32:34
fingerprints would not be would not be visible on them.
1:32:37
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's not going to be precedent. Wow.
1:32:41
John C Dvorak: So yeah, believable. I do have a I think
1:32:44
this is from 2008.
1:32:45
Adam Curry: I don't know when there's not room. I have no
1:32:47
idea.
1:32:48
John C Dvorak: No, not not. No. I've seen it. I think I have oh,
1:32:51
you're what I had.
1:32:52
Adam Curry: Okay. Hello, hello. Who's calling?
1:32:56
John C Dvorak: You know who? I listen to Mark Levin the other
1:32:59
day, he's always going Hello. May does that
1:33:02
Adam Curry: what this you know, you're one of the few people who
1:33:05
still has an am radio. I do. I've been in your
1:33:08
John C Dvorak: car. I do have an FM radio in the car too, you
1:33:12
know. But here what's interesting is, I have this clip
1:33:17
coming up as dynamite. But the am radio quality and the newer
1:33:22
cars, comparatives, I have an old Lexus, and it's just
1:33:27
deteriorated on purpose. Now, as I take my Lexus into have it
1:33:33
fixed, and I get a loaner. I get a brand new one. Yeah, and drive
1:33:37
around and turn on the am radio. It sounds like short wave from
1:33:42
the 20s.
1:33:43
Adam Curry: Well, the here's the problem. Am radio is no longer
1:33:46
being put into cars, because half the cars that people will
1:33:52
be buying will be electric. And there's so much gear now in
1:33:57
these in these cars that you can't get away from the
1:34:01
interference. Yeah. Just here that you you cannot use and no
1:34:07
one wants to good effect can only be done with these
1:34:11
temporary teeth, interestingly.
1:34:14
John C Dvorak: Alright, well, anyway, so here's Fauci. I think
1:34:17
this is in 2008. Yes, I see where he's slyly working on his
1:34:21
scheme that was just outlined by Kennedy, his scheme to get
1:34:25
around as gain of function thing. This may have been later
1:34:28
or earlier, but this was at some point where he had to, he knew
1:34:32
the gain of function was yet was under pressure. And this is and
1:34:35
he was slyly working, working out his scheme. And here he is.
1:34:40
Unknown: Anyway, so let me just go on about NIH lifts, funding
1:34:44
pause on gain of function research. So let me explain this
1:34:48
a little. Because whenever this comes out, there's always the
1:34:52
pushing back and forth from the press. So like NIH now is going
1:34:57
to do dangerous research. No extra matter of fact is is
1:35:00
exactly the opposite. So a framework has been now
1:35:03
established to guide funding decisions on proposed research
1:35:09
that might be anticipated to create, transfer or use enhanced
1:35:14
potential pandemic pathogens. The program, everybody has to
1:35:19
have a neat little name to it. This is called p3 SEO. So if you
1:35:24
hear about p3 SEO, its potential pandemic preparedness, care and
1:35:30
oversight. Now, why is this different from everything else
1:35:35
we've been doing? It's different because remember the trouble we
1:35:39
used to get in when someone would do an experiment, they
1:35:42
would submit it to a journal. And just as it's getting ready
1:35:45
to go out, everybody would start scrambling around. Should we be
1:35:48
publishing should it not? So we decided to go upstream from that
1:35:53
and talk about decisions that are made by government funded
1:35:57
remember, we have no control over things that are not funded
1:36:00
by the government, but in government funded activities to
1:36:04
guide the funding decision before you actually do the
1:36:08
experiment. I don't think this is going to be foolproof things
1:36:11
are gonna slip through that I think this is a much better
1:36:14
approach than we've had before.
1:36:17
Adam Curry: That's the goal in Westminster. There was Tony
1:36:20
Fauci with his cane and his hooded, ghoulish outfit.
1:36:25
John C Dvorak: It's unbelievable. And it's been
1:36:29
going on forever. It's just Kennedy points out. Sorry, been
1:36:33
going on forever, as Kennedy points out. And we can't seem to
1:36:39
put a stop to it in fact, and if it was if it's punishable by
1:36:43
death, hey, let's find some people up who's the who's behind
1:36:47
all this where's the punishable by death? Take places like, you
1:36:52
know, kind of saber rattling about this sort of thing and
1:36:55
we're just doing it openly.
1:36:57
Adam Curry: Yeah, well,
1:36:58
John C Dvorak: who's gonna you know, foul punishable by who's
1:37:00
who's gonna punish anybody by death?
1:37:02
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Collins is, you know, there are probably
1:37:05
buying homes in Argentina. And you're telling me that that
1:37:10
Lexus gives you a loaner car? Yeah. When you bring that when
1:37:13
you bring that Junker in, they say, Oh, hi, Mr. Dvorak. Boy,
1:37:18
nice to see this 20 year old vehicle again, here's a loaner
1:37:22
vehicle. Really? Yeah.
1:37:24
John C Dvorak: You just You just when you call in to get your
1:37:26
appointment, you say I need a loaner. And they
1:37:28
Adam Curry: give you a new Lexus. Yeah. Wow, well, that's
1:37:33
good service.
1:37:34
John C Dvorak: Lexus per Lexus is the best I mean, that way,
1:37:38
you know, and my third
1:37:41
Adam Curry: Well, since we're talking about Big Pharma in a
1:37:45
way and obviously the Wuhan whatever this this if it was
1:37:50
real at all, whatever this this, this COVID was they didn't have
1:37:55
the vaccine ready that's for sure. That whole thing is that
1:38:00
what a huge scam let's not let's not let that happen to us again.
1:38:05
John C Dvorak: This is the latest out of the knows what
1:38:07
they're developing.
1:38:08
Adam Curry: Here's the latest out of Big Pharma land crushing
1:38:12
entire industries.
1:38:13
Unknown: After 40 years of helping people to shed pounds
1:38:16
Jenny Craig is shutting its entire workforce and going out
1:38:20
of business. It's closing all of its nearly 500 Weight Loss
1:38:24
centers in the US and Canada and canceling all subscriptions,
1:38:27
coaching sessions, food orders and sales. Weight Loss services
1:38:31
like Jenny Craig have been struggling to keep up with
1:38:33
competition from prescription drugs like ozempic
1:38:37
John C Dvorak: buy em There you go to play for ozempic Yeah, but
1:38:40
Adam Curry: I believe it and remember Oprah's weightwatchers
1:38:45
also known as WW because now they rebranded they bought the
1:38:48
tele health company to telemedicine company that can
1:38:53
prescribe this stuff right on the app right over the phone.
1:38:58
John C Dvorak: Yes, gusting
1:38:59
Adam Curry: yeah well. Wait until that new and the Eli Lilly
1:39:02
one gets on the market and people start using it. You're
1:39:04
gonna see people just withering away right before your eyes
1:39:07
don't look great as their hair falls flat Olympic face this is
1:39:16
not an outstanding product people please do not use this. I
1:39:20
mean I can't give medical advice but I don't think it's an
1:39:23
outstanding product seems like something very oh don't even be
1:39:28
even singing it is like just bad bad bad bad bad. All right, now
1:39:34
one more thing we only have one break today because your your
1:39:38
excellent Cinco Demayo on Cinco de acepto
1:39:42
John C Dvorak: No, that wasn't it at all. There was bad things
1:39:45
a miss.
1:39:45
Adam Curry: Have you sent the newsletter out 20 times. Okay,
1:39:49
twice. What happened?
1:39:53
John C Dvorak: The newsletter seemed that I think there's a
1:39:55
MailChimp they did something wrong. I got an I did a second
1:39:58
sin because First and didn't trigger a posting on Twitter,
1:40:03
which is supposed to do.
1:40:05
Adam Curry: Oh, they the algo got got algo the API API API
1:40:12
access because they don't want
1:40:13
John C Dvorak: to pay happened. Yeah, they got down, right. So
1:40:16
down ranked. And so I looked at the number of the number of
1:40:21
opens, it was way off at about 730. So something's amiss. So I
1:40:27
sent a newsletter out a second time. And I got some feedback.
1:40:32
Hey, and
1:40:34
Adam Curry: was that the feedback? One drunk guy at one
1:40:39
John C Dvorak: get posted either. So you know, either male
1:40:42
chimps gotta get its act together. And if they can, they
1:40:44
can afford it. I mean, it's not as though it's a company at
1:40:46
starving to death.
1:40:49
Adam Curry: Well, you don't know. I mean, the all these
1:40:51
companies did you get substack it's so desperate, they're
1:40:56
crowdfunding their next investment round. I mean, this
1:41:00
is bad stuff is bad. And I thought that I for sure, I
1:41:05
thought substack was wildly profitable. They're just not how
1:41:10
could How can you get people paying left and right, it must
1:41:13
be I'm telling you right now. It must be because they have to
1:41:16
shell out at least 150 grand and this is 2008 prices. It was 100
1:41:23
or 150 grand a month to get whitelisted by Google and
1:41:29
outlook and a couple other you know there's there's trusted
1:41:34
companies that this is one of the biggest scams in Silicon
1:41:37
Valley is emails to be trusted to get through and I bet you
1:41:41
they just can't they just can't afford it anymore. And I do not
1:41:45
think that MailChimp has that kind of money either it's bad
1:41:50
out there email is I have to sadly say email is broken for
1:41:56
Good is broken for good. We should just give it up to me Why
1:42:01
don't you should just
1:42:02
John C Dvorak: make calling everybody personally send me a
1:42:04
phone number you can
1:42:08
Adam Curry: seriously it's broken but even that I spoke to
1:42:13
the CEO start nine he familiar start nine now start nine as a
1:42:18
company and they are building it's like Umbro only they're
1:42:22
taking it very, very seriously. Self hosting at home. And they
1:42:27
they've got their selling hardware, you can you can
1:42:29
download there, they built an operating system. So not a bunch
1:42:32
of Dockers connected to each other, but an actual operating
1:42:35
system that you could even get it on purism hardware, which is
1:42:39
you know, the open source hardware that was built, you
1:42:42
know, supposedly with no spy things in there, which is also
1:42:47
quite popular amongst the the OTG crowd and they're they're
1:42:53
replicating all these services you know, next cloud for your
1:42:56
for your Google stuff, you know, you can host your own blog with
1:43:00
ghosts, they have clear net so it'll be you know, actually on
1:43:04
your available on an IP address, you know, with with SSL, so it'd
1:43:08
be you can really, the idea is to supplant big tech and do it
1:43:12
all at home, the one thing they just gave up on was email, we
1:43:17
can never make it work because even if we can set it all up,
1:43:21
and you can still use a separate SMTP provider, but we still
1:43:25
can't guarantee your email will arrive because big tech has just
1:43:28
completely screwed up in Google in particular. I've screwed that
1:43:33
up I've just made sure No forget about it. We control that we own
1:43:37
it. And they do. Because most people are so stupid. They all
1:43:40
fell for the Gmail thing. Oh, it's free look Gmail is great.
1:43:46
So email is broken forever. It's too bad. It was kind of a cool
1:43:49
protocol. But I think you should go back and publish it on RSS
1:43:53
John the newsletter yeah
1:43:58
John C Dvorak: yeah. Yeah, so yeah, he
1:44:01
Adam Curry: said I might as well do my review right now of of the
1:44:08
light phone.
1:44:11
John C Dvorak: Oh, yes. You finally got your your light to
1:44:12
phone I did. OTG going routine. Everybody. I've always once
1:44:19
again, kind of guy OTG going Oh no. Dng guy the guy. Yeah.
1:44:31
Adam Curry: OTG off the grid haven't been that way for a
1:44:33
while decided to give it another try. Now that pretty much
1:44:36
everything I use in my life is available on a computer and I
1:44:40
find myself checking my phone too much even though I have a
1:44:43
graphene OS. So I suppose not too much spyware, and I splurt
1:44:48
it in a drawer. Well, you know, but for when I'm driving, I
1:44:52
don't want to take it with me. When I go out to dinner with my
1:44:55
wife I don't want to take it would be for a number of
1:44:57
reasons. One is I don't want to be looking at my Phone. And I
1:45:01
only want someone to be able to reach me. Like if you need to
1:45:04
reach me, you can send me a text message or call me. And that's
1:45:07
pretty much all I need. But the light phone.
1:45:11
John C Dvorak: Why do you need to be reached?
1:45:13
Adam Curry: While I'm an important person? I mean, what
1:45:15
if the podcast index.org goes down? Yeah, hmm. What if what if
1:45:21
you need to say the website has been updated to sell? You know,
1:45:26
one of those
1:45:26
John C Dvorak: comic strip blogger? Okay, but yeah, I
1:45:28
Adam Curry: do get those emails from you. Right?
1:45:33
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but it doesn't mean you have to act
1:45:34
instantly. Well, it's not a surgeon on call.
1:45:38
Adam Curry: Well, maybe, maybe have other hobbies that you
1:45:42
don't know about? I need to be on call. But okay. Do you want
1:45:44
me to do the segment? I just want to be a dick. I mean, you
1:45:46
tell me I doubt a guy would like both. Okay, let me do the
1:45:49
segment and be a dick with little little increments not
1:45:52
like let me get started at least. You want to clip five
1:45:59
gold? Clip $599 The light phone.com
1:46:06
John C Dvorak: Isn't that a little steep?
1:46:09
Adam Curry: Um, I think it's kind of on par with a with a if
1:46:14
you bought a an older model of Android phone on Amazon. New in
1:46:20
the box to that. It's okay. It is in fact a very light version
1:46:26
of Android I believe that runs it. The thing John, you will you
1:46:30
actually I may have to send this for as a Christmas gift for you.
1:46:33
You will love this phone. Because it is the size is it's
1:46:38
smaller than a cigarette box in dimension of course, much
1:46:41
thinner, obviously. So it's all remember the old there was a
1:46:44
Nokia phone but a smallest phone in the world way back in the
1:46:48
day, but fit right in the palm of your hand. You remember that?
1:46:52
I
1:46:52
John C Dvorak: thought it was Motorola but yes moto small
1:46:55
phones that we had been manufactured in the past very
1:46:57
small. So it's
1:46:58
Adam Curry: kind of like that. And it has a an E Ink screen. So
1:47:04
it doesn't have you know, it's like a Kindle basically. And the
1:47:08
only thing that you can do on it which is more than I expected to
1:47:11
be honest. Is a phone and imported my contacts perfectly
1:47:16
as a calendar imported and syncs with with my my current calendar
1:47:22
system. It'll work with anything, including next cloud.
1:47:26
It has an alarm, which you can set alarms, that's the BBB. for
1:47:30
that. It has notes. I like to notes because notes you can
1:47:33
write them or you can record them. I always like doing that
1:47:37
like a dictaphone. I have not tried it yourself. Yes, exactly.
1:47:42
I have not tried it yet, but it has directions of the called
1:47:47
directions in it. So it does have some kind of now, no, no go
1:47:53
of navigation. Which is amazing. It has a podcast player, which
1:48:02
is surprisingly easy. I know you can't update anything on the
1:48:06
phone. You have to do it on the on the website on their
1:48:08
dashboard to add podcast. But it works it will do Bluetooth with
1:48:12
your headset. It has a calculator not unimportant. And
1:48:18
finally it has a hotspot. So you could bring your laptop if you
1:48:22
really needed access and you didn't have it you could turn
1:48:24
into a hotspot. It is a wonderful, I mean a wonderful
1:48:29
little thing. And it has a QWERTY keyboard if you want if
1:48:33
you need to reply back to a text, you can also I don't know
1:48:36
what service is providing this we can also do voice to text. It
1:48:40
doesn't sound very OTG to me. But I have to say John I am this
1:48:45
is I've only had it for a day it arrived yesterday. I'm loving
1:48:50
going out with the dog. There's nothing very lightest I almost
1:48:54
feel it in my pocket. I can listen to my favorite podcast,
1:48:58
which is d h unplugged. Of course. It also has a music
1:49:02
player, but I don't listen to music on anything on my phone. I
1:49:06
don't care too much about it. And that's it. And that's that's
1:49:08
all that it does. It doesn't do images, it doesn't have a
1:49:11
camera. If someone sends you text messages with an emoji the
1:49:14
emojis will show up. You cannot send any text back with emojis.
1:49:19
And that's it. And I think this is perfect. I think this is this
1:49:22
is what All kids should have. And that's mainly why I reviewed
1:49:25
it. This is what your kid should have. Your kid can do some stuff
1:49:29
that's educational and good and nothing else. And when they come
1:49:31
home, they can do stuff on the computer. I'm very impressed by
1:49:35
this device. I don't know about the battery life yet. We'll see.
1:49:38
I mean that's a mistake. I've had it I unplugged it today and
1:49:43
it's at 98% but haven't done anything with it. The Lightroom
1:49:48
I think you I think you'll enjoy it.
1:49:49
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna say you like it so much. You're gonna
1:49:52
send it to me. No, I'm
1:49:53
Adam Curry: gonna I'm gonna buy a new one for you.
1:49:57
John C Dvorak: I'll tell you right now, not to bother now.
1:50:00
too much money.
1:50:02
Adam Curry: What do you mean? It's too much? What would the
1:50:04
price point be? That's perfect for you?
1:50:08
John C Dvorak: $99 I think it'd be okay. Okay 40 Now it'd be
1:50:12
better
1:50:13
Adam Curry: so you'd rather have your take your your your clunky
1:50:18
distracting android phone with you when you leave the house.
1:50:23
John C Dvorak: I don't take the phone with me when I leave the
1:50:25
house. Oh, well, I'm going to Chicago on my take a phone
1:50:29
Adam Curry: when you drive around. You don't take a phone
1:50:31
in case something. Oh,
1:50:32
John C Dvorak: I do not. I know how to get around.
1:50:35
Adam Curry: Emergency what if? What if you would like help?
1:50:38
I've fallen I can't get up.
1:50:40
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, then that hasn't happened. Okay,
1:50:43
Adam Curry: all right. You're special. Everybody's special.
1:50:46
John C Dvorak: I'm like, this is the way the world used to be.
1:50:50
Nobody went around in the 60s and 70s with a phone worried to
1:50:55
death. I mean, some people carried around a pager because
1:50:58
it was they felt so important that they had to get BBB BBB Oh,
1:51:04
my wife got home I now I know my wife got who cares?
1:51:08
Adam Curry: Yeah, I know. But your wife lives in a different
1:51:11
state so yeah, you don't care
1:51:13
John C Dvorak: even so I'm just saying I'm just saying there's
1:51:15
no right don't need a phone with me 24/7 Is not I'm not a surgeon
1:51:20
on call.
1:51:20
Adam Curry: Do you not have a little black book for your for
1:51:22
your babes? No, okay. Did you use to at one point did you have
1:51:30
a little black book? Tell us
1:51:31
John C Dvorak: a little I would be a red book.
1:51:35
Adam Curry: And this is why he's the Buzzkill. Ladies and
1:51:37
gentlemen. And with that I'd like to thank you for your
1:51:40
currency in the morning to you the man who put the sea in the
1:51:43
great clickbait ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend
1:51:45
on the other end who never takes the phone anywhere Mr. Jones
1:51:51
John C Dvorak: morning to you Mr. Adam curry and we're gonna
1:51:53
succeed boots on the ground. Feet near subs in the water. And
1:51:56
all the names and nights out
1:51:58
Adam Curry: in the morning to the trolls and the Troll. Troll
1:52:00
room who do have Now we're talking 2884 and even two hours
1:52:09
into the show that's not too bad for a troll room count. Hello
1:52:12
trolls. The trolls hang out in the troll room for one reason
1:52:15
one reason only to be counted and then to leave when the best
1:52:18
stuff comes. That's the donation segments where we'd had the
1:52:21
interviews we get clips of the day. We also thank people we
1:52:25
talk about people maybe probably talking about you when you leave
1:52:28
your trolls may say that means how many how many left right
1:52:31
away? Oh, only Oh, interesting. Threatening only only 10 left.
1:52:39
Afraid. Oh yeah, so you get bad karma. And that's where I forgot
1:52:42
to mention that part. The trolls are in the troll room, you can
1:52:46
participate in their joyous antics by going to troll room.io
1:52:51
where you can listen to the stream live, you can log into
1:52:54
the chat room. You have to register if you want to if you
1:52:57
want to troll but that's pretty simple. But then you know the
1:53:01
real recommendation if you don't have a light phone, if you have
1:53:05
like a grownup phone is go to podcast apps.com Get and man
1:53:09
there's more apps comm and get an app that does the live stream
1:53:15
pod verse curio caster, podcast addict podcast group and a big
1:53:20
one coming on board pretty soon that'll do this live stuff where
1:53:23
you can import all your existing podcasts into it and then when
1:53:27
we go live or any podcast goes live you get the bad signal to
1:53:30
remind you oh yeah, the boys are live. You tap on it. Boom you
1:53:35
get the live stream and you get your your troll room and
1:53:37
everything all in one go was perfect thing. Well, if you're
1:53:40
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, we're freeze peach.
1:54:14
Adam Curry: Yes freeze peach indeed.
1:54:18
John C Dvorak: It's a device that you mentioned it I do have
1:54:20
a clip I want to drop in Oh, you're talking about podcasts
1:54:24
podcasts apps podcast is by another what's wrong with these
1:54:28
podcasters Whoa. Okay your buddy here this is a house ad on a I
1:54:35
Heart Radio produce podcast. And the next thing you know there's
1:54:39
a plug for I Heart Radio. That is a that is kind of a house had
1:54:45
a you know I don't know why at the beginning somebody's
1:54:47
podcasts. I was listening to somebody. Some of these podcasts
1:54:50
don't get started for five or six minutes. What is it? What
1:54:53
are they started with ads? Yeah, they do the latest thing in
1:54:57
these these bad No no in these networks is to run two or three
1:55:02
or four ads before the podcast. And then the guys introduction
1:55:06
takes forever. Your six minutes in don't you just fast forward
1:55:10
like everybody else. Now I want to hear these ads. Especially
1:55:13
this one from your old buddy, my old buddy who? Bob Pitman's.
1:55:19
Adam Curry: Yeah, Bob pit knows Never mind. He was on his way
1:55:22
out. In fact, I met Bob Pittman once the weekend I got to New
1:55:27
York. And, and I got a call. Yeah, Bob Pittman, who was the
1:55:31
president of MTV Networks. Just before he left and Tom Freston
1:55:35
came in. Yeah, Bob wants to invite you to go to John Cougar
1:55:38
Mellencamp. So we went in Pitman's limo to see John Cougar
1:55:43
Mellencamp um, that was the only encounter I had with Bob Pittman
1:55:47
John C Dvorak: was in a limo. But remember those Pinkie
1:55:50
Adam Curry: remember the stretch limos? Yeah. I'm Bob Pittman,
1:55:54
Chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. Looking for a master's guide to
1:55:57
the marketing world. from decades of experience starting
1:56:00
with building MTV, I found it comes down to two things, math
1:56:04
and magic. You'll hear unlikely visionaries from the frontiers
1:56:08
of marketing share how they use data, the math and creativity,
1:56:12
the magic to launch their biggest, most impossible
1:56:16
sounding ideas. Listen to the new season of math and magic
1:56:19
stories from the frontiers of marketing on our very own
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iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast
1:56:26
by Bob Pittman. I should be on his show. I'm a math and magic
1:56:31
guy. Did I launch a grand idea?
1:56:35
John C Dvorak: Yeah, sure. Gonna show i Sounds boring to me. But
1:56:42
you there's nothing worse than a marketing guy.
1:56:45
Adam Curry: Hey, he created MTV.
1:56:48
John C Dvorak: You heard here he said.
1:56:50
Adam Curry: Well, well, he has six minutes of ads and opening.
1:56:55
We don't do that we get right to the show with our with our witty
1:56:58
banter. But you know, we have a little opening and we're right
1:57:01
into your shed with drop you're right in, which is quite jarring
1:57:04
for most people. And we don't have ads. We don't want we don't
1:57:07
want to have Bob Pittman advertised that would be
1:57:09
horrible. If you had to listen to Bob. I mean, ball respect
1:57:11
wasn't a bob Pitman before we started or whatever, whatever
1:57:16
how sad it would be. Why are they running house ads? Are they
1:57:19
not making any money over there? Hello. Hello, I heard radio.
1:57:25
Should you be out of business? No, we run value for value. That
1:57:31
means time, talent, treasure, whatever you want to give back
1:57:34
to us for the impeccable and voluminous value we provide. We
1:57:38
gladly accept it. We do need the treasure part. Little short
1:57:42
today. I'll be honest about it. But before we do that, let's go
1:57:45
to our art credit. And thank the artists for episode 1552 aptly
1:57:52
titled old trout. I don't think we have to explain to everybody
1:57:56
why we titled it that. And would you believe it? It's comic strip
1:58:01
blogger came in with a winning art piece. And and check this
1:58:05
out. It wasn't even AI.
1:58:10
John C Dvorak: Is that what he said?
1:58:13
Adam Curry: That's what he said. He said he was he was surprised
1:58:17
that this one he was just messing around with some ideas.
1:58:21
He took no AI critic but we when we saw this art and let's this
1:58:26
is a a che an angry salt shaker. Very cute piece. We both looked
1:58:33
at this and went. That's AI that's against our rules and
1:58:39
regs. Well, I suppose
1:58:40
John C Dvorak: it's your rule, not mine.
1:58:43
Adam Curry: True. And we said no. We can't do that. And then
1:58:48
you said Come on. Let's do it. Come on. Let's do it. You
1:58:50
John C Dvorak: were like I said, Come on. Let's do I said we
1:58:52
violate our own rule over time.
1:58:56
Adam Curry: And we also thought it would be fun for commerce or
1:58:58
Blogger to be able to drag on a very good piece. But we thought
1:59:02
it would be fun for him to say I got your AI and know that
1:59:06
John C Dvorak: the irony is not AI. That's funny.
1:59:11
Adam Curry: Let's see now there were a lot of submissions for
1:59:12
which we're always very appreciative. You can follow
1:59:15
along at no agenda art generator.com or get one of
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those handy dandy new podcast apps at podcast apps.com
1:59:21
John C Dvorak: A bunch of funny old trout gags including the one
1:59:25
of the the old trout walking by Josh but can hold or whatever
1:59:31
his name I can't pronounce his last name kono. He did go on.
1:59:34
Oh, yeah. With a walker. It was.
1:59:39
Adam Curry: It was a little it was okay. I've been you thought
1:59:43
I liked a lot. You liked it. I liked the one where Camilla's
1:59:46
face was literally a trout face.
1:59:49
John C Dvorak: I thought that was gross. Yeah, I
1:59:51
Adam Curry: know. I know. You did a lot of trial. A lot of
1:59:53
trout jokes. And there were a lot of shaker jokes too. A lot
1:59:57
of shaker jokes, but jokes are work I should say. We both
2:00:03
looked at the no agenda Gardner's bomb. That was a nice
2:00:07
piece by Nico sign but it was a little small Nico, little small
2:00:12
the curry Dvorak was too small. That's the main problem our name
2:00:14
has to be pretty big. This and that and then you you
2:00:17
particularly like the writer strike again, which was done in
2:00:21
the theme of Star Wars.
2:00:22
John C Dvorak: Yes, the Empire Strikes Back it was
2:00:25
Adam Curry: all off for me. I mean, the logo was great.
2:00:27
John C Dvorak: Well you hate Star Wars Star Trek, all that
2:00:30
stuff. I
2:00:30
Adam Curry: don't hate out. I gotta tell you something. So but
2:00:33
does not Star Wars but my buddy Dave over at podcast index.org
2:00:38
He's a big Trekkie fan. And so he goes to the Star Trek
2:00:42
convention as it came to Birmingham, Alabama, and he had
2:00:45
signed up for for a selfie with William Shatner. And, and some
2:00:51
of the crew members from I don't know which Deep Space Nine I
2:00:55
don't know which one. It is because he's really excited to
2:00:58
be here. And he was some of the hobbies gotta get a selfie was
2:00:59
Shatner, I think he had to pay like 120 bucks for it or
2:01:02
something. So you know, really? Yeah. You know what he got? So
2:01:07
So basically, there's a stage
2:01:09
John C Dvorak: got to stand next to a shattered noni No, no, no.
2:01:13
Adam Curry: Shatner sitting in like on a box or a chair on
2:01:16
stage. And then there's Dave, on the other side of a clear
2:01:21
plexiglass divider.
2:01:25
John C Dvorak: Why want to see that picture.
2:01:28
Unknown: It's really sad.
2:01:31
Adam Curry: 20 bucks and shattered just sitting there.
2:01:35
And the Plexiglas dividers open. You have none of the sort of the
2:01:38
Trekkies get any cooties on him. That as I've like, I've lost
2:01:44
respect for Shatner now. That's just a money grab me with you.
2:01:49
You want to take a picture of the pod father free, make a
2:01:51
slobber all over me. I'm no douche. We go to your Meetup.
2:01:57
John C Dvorak: It's pretty bad.
2:01:58
Adam Curry: It's very bad. It's just very disappointing. So we
2:02:03
looked at that
2:02:05
John C Dvorak: moment to see that picture.
2:02:06
Adam Curry: I'll send it to you. It's pretty messed up. What else
2:02:13
do we have? Now? The too many of the egg. I thought the egg was
2:02:17
cool. You didn't like the egg?
2:02:18
John C Dvorak: No, I did like the egg. But I didn't think it
2:02:20
was going to was show worthy. It's just cute is cute, a cute
2:02:25
egg
2:02:26
Adam Curry: with kind of my teeth. So my teeth look like now
2:02:28
John C Dvorak: it looks to me like Brian Stelter to me. While
2:02:32
Adam Curry: you didn't mention that, when we were looking at
2:02:34
it,
2:02:34
John C Dvorak: they'll nod and see it again.
2:02:37
Adam Curry: Yeah, so I think that was that was it. We really
2:02:40
appreciate the work that all the artists do over at no agenda,
2:02:43
art generator.com They're doing this live where they listen to
2:02:45
us live. And so really phenomenal. How well they can do
2:02:49
that. of all of them. It's very appreciated. And you can meet
2:02:53
all of the artists at no agenda social.com They hang out there
2:02:55
to discuss it. They congratulate themselves and each other. And
2:02:59
yeah, and
2:02:59
John C Dvorak: then they just then they excoriated two of us
2:03:02
for not being done not liking the right art. Yeah, the
2:03:05
Adam Curry: wrong you did it all wrong, you horrible people. No
2:03:09
agenda art generator.com. And of course, we want to thank the
2:03:12
people who bring us the treasure, our executive and
2:03:14
Associate Executive producers for episode 1553. And we kick it
2:03:20
off with Mark capenhurst. I would say St. Petersburg,
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Florida with a whopping very nice did save the day, I would
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say $1,033. That's an instant donation then says in the
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morning, Adam and John, I'd like to thank you both for the
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amygdala assist over the last three years. Your deconstruction
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helped me stand firm against my previous company's mandates with
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clear and concise reasoning. Congratulations, man. That's a
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tough one to do. It's not it was not easy for a lot of people.
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Not everybody could do that. Please help me Sir Mark see of
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the beach swamp? Can I get a mangoes and ribeye at the round
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table? I think we can do that for you. No problem. And then he
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says can I get a you're gonna need a Bitcoin and a yak karma
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for everybody and see y'all on noster also, for anyone who was
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realized our healthcare system has failed, and you're
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it's like $250 a month. And, and that goes into a general fund.
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they negotiate with your doctor, as we know, doctors, hospitals
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expensive, they may ask you for an additional 50 bucks to help
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that tell the story to help somebody out. And with that, you
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get some kind of reputation points. And of course, when it's
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your turn, if you have something big happen, then people will
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help you. It's a very popular format, they have it. There's
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many different companies that are doing this now.
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John C Dvorak: Isn't this what health insurance used to be?
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Adam Curry: Kind of? Yeah, I mean, except for the Wii, she
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has not been asked to pay anything. I think actually, you
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the money stays in your account. I think it stays in your name.
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And these guys actually put some of it into Bitcoin, which I
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think is it was interesting. So part of your money grows as you
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grow. At least that's the concept. This idea of Christian
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health ministries they do this and you know, you can only get
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invited through your pastor or something like that. But yeah,
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now this it, people are walking away from from the week we had
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to, we were like 2500 bucks a month for the two of us, you
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know, because we're older. And we're not old enough to get all
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the government goodies. You signed word? Yeah, you sound you
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sound flummoxed and flabbergasted. That all hell is
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gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin
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Unknown: you've got karma
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John C Dvorak: Baronet 1% of the GTF Oh, in Dixie Washington
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34567. He like it says your cash Manning money shot long version
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and goat karma IgM. This latest 1% contribution of my treasure
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in the amount of 34567 has no special numerological meaning is
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just for the hell of it. In addition to slowly working my
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way up to the ranks of the roundtable and every 1% ways
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have recently secured me citizenship in the nascent
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nascent county known as liberal land as a diehard freedom lover.
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It's something I deceased in Washington, okay. The home of
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reason he's governors because they know how to rig elections
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up there with all mail in voting 24/7 and 1% risk is not bad
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anyway, it goes on. I think it's like contributing I think it's a
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lot like contributing and no agenda the immediate cost need
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not be great, but over time it can add up to something
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significant potential upside for information entertainment and
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make village shrinkage one contributions enable can be
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invaluable. Thanks again for all you do to and provide faithfully
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suppressing your exit strategy 1% of the time. Baronet 1% of
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the GTFO aka Paul Zimmerman.
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Unknown: I know a lot of people want to send blankets or water
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just send
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John C Dvorak: your cash Yes, I showed up money shop. Jesus.
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That's a money shot kid. Money shot
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Unknown: you've got karma.
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Adam Curry: Love that number 34567 And our favorite 33333 We
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Somerset, Massachusetts, he says 1/3 downpayment on the helmet
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than the night helmet. The next two thirds to cover the suit and
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sword to follow eventually. Thank you Scott. We appreciate
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that.
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John C Dvorak: Bobby brindle horse in Mount Laurel New
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Jersey. Three Three ITM boys. Thank you Mimi for explaining
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the vinegar book premise. I've been waiting remember when 10 or
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so years ago, they would play commercials about pharma causing
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boys to have breasts. WT C seven won't go away. Bobby brindle
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horse
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Unknown: Jen
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Adam Curry: Wimberly is a general Wimberly. Do you think
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GM normal sound looks like it should be good to say Jen No,
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Jen, Jen with a G 282 dot 28822 A two backwards and forwards.
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Please accept this row of ducks plus small boobs donation to two
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to 22 plus 60.06. In honor of my smokin hot boyfriend, Kyle TOEIC
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Oh, Kyle, who would never who would never hit me in the mouth
2:09:29
but did give me a gentle pimp slap. Happy birthday from Jen
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also with a G and please do you do Schmidt?
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Unknown: You've been de deuced
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John C Dvorak: Andrew Helenius in iron River, Wisconsin. In the
2:09:46
morning and thank you for your courage. I have been wronged. I
2:09:49
donated a row of ducks for 1518 and John commented the following
2:09:53
If committed the following offenses Oh, one that was not
2:09:58
credited for my dough. nation except in the show notes.
2:10:02
Adam Curry: I don't know how that happened
2:10:05
John C Dvorak: we got Adam here is monitoring every word I say
2:10:08
yeah just caught me. One of the men mentioned in my note for
2:10:12
hitting me in the mouth aka Joe flock of Joe aka flower town.
2:10:17
flavor. Flavor town was referred to as flav written you almost
2:10:21
did it wrong again. Yeah, but if I didn't read it in the first
2:10:25
place how could I do it wrong twice? Good point.
2:10:28
Adam Curry: What is that all about? Hey, just because that
2:10:31
was a scam
2:10:33
John C Dvorak: to me I wasn't credited but yet I mispronounced
2:10:36
this guy's name. That doesn't make sense. Well, maybe
2:10:38
Adam Curry: because you mispronounce his name. He says
2:10:40
he wasn't credited this seems like a little live
2:10:42
John C Dvorak: rendition of I've got answer was subpar. Wow, what
2:10:47
a complainer we didn't do any live rendition
2:10:50
Adam Curry: I don't think so either.
2:10:52
John C Dvorak: Then Adam to get switch topics. Oh, then Adam had
2:10:57
the audacity to misgendered me oh no I referring to me as a
2:11:02
she. What part of Andy with a why makes you think I'm a woman?
2:11:07
Adam Curry: Maybe it was your tone
2:11:12
John C Dvorak: anywho I'm a fellow follower in Christ. So I
2:11:16
will turn the other cheek and forgive you. Oh, yeah. Thank
2:11:19
you. It's a very forgiving note. Please accept this row of decks
2:11:25
are being your best podcast in the universe. And please give
2:11:28
the second best podcast in the universe our big dumb mouth or
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OBD M A shout out. I have no affiliation with them just feel
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they need more listeners. They deserve it. No jingles no karma.
2:11:39
And let's John wants to give it another try. I didn't do it in
2:11:42
the first place. I got ants by Andy helenus Salinas. Halle Lena
2:11:49
Linus
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Adam Curry: Linus Helenius Helene you as
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John C Dvorak: li ne us Helenius B where we iron river
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Adam Curry: karma good karma karma Andy with a ye
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John C Dvorak: Andy with why
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Adam Curry: royal docks to tu tu tu tu tu from dude named Ben
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dude named Ben here. Here again with a yearly row of ducks
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towards knighthood which according to my bookkeeping is
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finally here, though I did use double credits on show 1500 and
2:12:21
hit the knighthood mark then it got lost in the mess I don't
2:12:23
blame you guys. I figured a real credit was worth waiting for
2:12:27
please Knight me. Oh, this is not this is not in the in Oh,
2:12:31
interesting. This is interesting. How'd this happen?
2:12:35
This rare mistake from our new back office please Knight me
2:12:39
server of the Ohio and crest I got to write all this down. Can
2:12:44
you read this note for a sec? I gotta know after I write all
2:12:46
this
2:12:46
John C Dvorak: again. I'm nearly Rolodex towards night who was
2:12:49
according to my book give me to finally get by blah blah. I
2:12:52
don't blame you guys. I figured a real credit was worth waiting
2:12:55
for please snipe me as server of the Ohio, Ohio and crest and I'd
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love some goulash and sliver of slivovitz was I think is that
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fish isn't it? Sounds goulash doesn't sound good. Now, at the
2:13:11
roundtable I'm wrapping up my penultimate semester in college
2:13:15
and the show has been working overtime to keep me sane and
2:13:18
informed Nice. Despite the forces of woke ism at hand I
2:13:23
even hit a couple of people in the mouth here. And that's
2:13:26
saying something on campus keep up the fantastic work lads. I
2:13:30
look forward to the roundtable and all his family onwards to
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barony is no jingles but looking for some graduation karma.
2:13:39
Adam Curry: You got that for you.
2:13:40
Unknown: Thank you. You've got karma and
2:13:42
Adam Curry: we've got the roundtable lined up for you got
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that sneaky fish you want it?
2:13:47
John C Dvorak: I've got the note from anonymous that came in all
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right, rocket. So anonymous comes in from Parts Unknown.
2:13:55
$222 And he writes by my glasses, Adam and John. I have
2:14:03
been listening since hearing Adam on Megyn Kelly show
2:14:10
Adam Curry: oh there it is the Megan Kelly dono a donor
2:14:13
John C Dvorak: here we go back in 2021. That's right. This is
2:14:17
truly the best podcast not Megan's but ours. And I
2:14:21
apologize for taking so long to donate. Keep up the good work
2:14:25
anonymous.
2:14:26
Adam Curry: Well, I'm about to reappear. Although, put it in
2:14:31
your calendar, May 31. Someone's getting fired. Whenever I'm
2:14:37
booked on the Kelly she Megyn Kelly show. It was fired last
2:14:42
time while Sharon Osbourne she got fired when I was booked and
2:14:46
they bumped me for four hours to have me on. And then it was
2:14:50
Tucker. Who by the way, Kellyanne? What's her name? Not
2:14:54
Kellyanne Conway. No, no way. No, no. Who's the who's the
2:14:58
you'd like her? The No, not Kellyanne Conway.
2:15:03
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I know the other one. Kaylee. Kayleigh.
2:15:05
McEnaney Kaylee McEnany. And then and she'll be
2:15:07
Adam Curry: she'll be in Tucker's time slot this week.
2:15:10
Yeah, well, you knew that.
2:15:12
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Or you knew that it was a big deal. I think
2:15:14
it's not going to work no of course with anybody in that
2:15:17
spot. She's She's too nice to be you know, he's you know, even
2:15:21
though he's got a big smile and he's always all you always got
2:15:24
that look, look a lot and he's he is a mean guy. I mean, he's
2:15:28
there's a meanness to him that that needs to be on that show.
2:15:33
You can't be a lightweight I mean, when Oh, Riley had to show
2:15:36
is a mean prick. So this guy is you know, he's kind of a mean
2:15:41
guy to is funny mean, but she doesn't have a bone of meanness
2:15:45
in her. She
2:15:46
Adam Curry: really doesn't. She really doesn't. Yeah, but I
2:15:49
mean, isn't it just for a week? I don't think it's I don't think
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it's
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John C Dvorak: uh, but he made it sound like she's gonna take
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the spot. I did I make it sound like that. I didn't know they
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didn't do the trades. Oh, okay.
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Adam Curry: The trades. You go $200 from James Lawler who's an
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Oklahoma City, Oklahoma sir Jimmy James here. And a whole
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bunch of hashtags. shows have been amazing as of late the best
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podcast in the universe. Oh, and our next UI who we meet up as a
2:16:22
Saturday and I hear Adam may make it J K. God bless. Thank
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you for your courage. JK indeed. No, I'm going to the goat I'm
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going to finally go to the Austin meetup again. In docs
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backyard on Saturday rare parents rare appearance
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everybody join us there Doc's back.
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John C Dvorak: If you're going to give any donations to the
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show, put them in an envelope with
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Adam Curry: a note with yes with a note with a note with a note
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please. And the final Associate Executive Producer to under
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dollars is Roderick prince from Scottsdale Arizona, no notes so
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he gets a coveted double up donation karma. Karma. I'll
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prepare the roundtable John will take us through the 50s
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John C Dvorak: and on we go with Paul Lawrence and Dayton, Texas.
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160 16 as some sort of boom man thing, not sure what it means
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anonymous 9608 And then right away. I'm sorry, I jumped ahead.
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Bruce Schwalm of the sron the farm in Harrisburg,
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Pennsylvania, when 3388 and then Diane tshwane back in John's
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Burg Illinois $150 And she's got a birthday caught to her to
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David. Brian to Lekki in Lincoln, Nebraska 111 11 Victor
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Vandenberg and hares John Dom, which is here's Jan's dam, here,
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you're here. Yawns
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Adam Curry: dumb.
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John C Dvorak: Here, Young's dumb in Holland. Yes. $100.
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Anthony Caruso in Orlando, Florida is $100 He needs a D
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douching.
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Unknown: You've been D deuced.
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John C Dvorak: Kerry Jackson Watertown, Tennessee 100.
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Sebastian corage Mon koi mom. Boy mon Sebastian koi mon in
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Amsterdam. 9608. Sir Kevin McLaughlin in Lucas, North
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Carolina 808. He's continuing to trend along without glue gun
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suelen in Missouri City, Texas 808 Alexis row bliss Robles
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Robles, Robles Robles in Chula Vista, California. 77777. And
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she needs a de douching. You've been de deuced and her brother,
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you Julio or Julio Julio? Call it needs a call out as a
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douchebag.
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Adam Curry: Close call.
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John C Dvorak: Daniel Rodriguez in Doral, Florida 7175. Michael
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de la rosiere in Maryville tech Tennessee 5555 with a birdie
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call out. William Alston if at 523 Andrew K Hill in Batavia,
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Ohio, 55 One d3. Now these are all the fabulous 85 two this is
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our this is the fabulous cinco Maione
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Adam Curry: Andrew needs to do Do
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