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John C Dvorak: boots on the
ground baby.
Adam Curry: Adam curry Jhansi
Devorah Davis 2023 This is your
award winning keep on Aisha
media assassination episode 1553
This is no agenda back on the
OTG train and broadcasting live
from the heart of the Texas hill
country here in FEMA Region
number six in the morning
everybody I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: in from Northern
Silicon Valley, where we're all
congratulating Adam on his six
Tony nominations. I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: What is this? What
what Tony nomina you know, what
are you talking about? Well,
ever
John C Dvorak: since you retired
the MO facts show that the
Broadway play ain't no mo has
gotten six Tony nominations
Adam Curry: and the show was not
retired yet. We have nine more
episodes.
John C Dvorak: Oh eight no mo is
something else. I knew you
didn't know this guy Jordan
eight Cooper it seems unlikely
Adam Curry: you actually know
what the Tony nominations are
the Chinese the Chinese Chinese
the Chinese the Chinese I do. Is
any any spectacular nominations
except the ain't no mo anything
else? Okay. No mo I think musics
John C Dvorak: the big one I
guess there's Some Like It Hot
is going to be the take away a
lot of awards. Have
Adam Curry: you seen any of
these? Any of them? I haven't
John C Dvorak: been in New York
to did last season, so I didn't
see any of them. i Who wants to
go to New York by got me
standing in the subway tracks.
Adam Curry: Tina's going to New
York to visit with her daughter
from Mother's Day.
John C Dvorak: Oh, that should
be rich.
Unknown: That's supposed to me.
Adam Curry: I don't really wanna
know. I don't know. But to be
honest, she's a little you know,
she's a little a little anxious
about it. By the way as an adult
so the most for life in Chicago.
Because what do you what do you
see about New York? Nothing but
exactly what you said crap.
That's true. People. You know,
John C Dvorak: Chicago, I become
minuses. You must be joining the
two cities sister cities. Yeah.
Yeah. Now this is not like a
problem. It's you know, you just
go there and you just put up
with it.
Unknown: I know. I
John C Dvorak: we think it's
like the
Adam Curry: old days. We got
knights everywhere, looking out
for Meigs, all these all the all
the gangsters of New York are
looking out for wishes while
Dominican gangsters everybody.
No agenda. No agenda. Nation is
badass. got great people. I had
a wedding yesterday. So
unfortunately, I couldn't see we
got married again. I know. A
friend of ours daughter got
married. And so unfortunately, I
couldn't watch all of the
fabulous Proceedings of the
coronation. Which I know it was
a lifetime event. There was
nothing to record but I do have
some comments. Oh, I
John C Dvorak: have some clips
actually. Okay, we use our
clips. All my comment is
basically they had all these
marching soldiers and the guys
who did read costumes and the
big hairy hats and regular
soldiers. The Harrier were all
out of step and out of line and
you're expected to be that I saw
some of the things was
unbelievably bad. I mean, I was
like I flipped over from, you
know, China TV where they're
just lockstep perfect to these
guys wandering around. It was
just pathetic.
Adam Curry: I don't know if it
was that bad. I did notice a
couple of guys out pretty bad. I
have a highlight supercut
Unknown: God of compassion and
whose son was sent not to be
served but to serve.
God save the King
William, Prince of Wales,
pledged my loyalty to you, and
faith and truth I will bear on
to you as your lead man of life
and limb. So help me God
received this ring, a symbol of
royal dignity and a sign of the
covenant Swan this day.
Drunks to die may be a blessing
to all the children of every
faith and belief that together
we may discover the ways of
gentleness and be led into the
paths of peace.
Adam Curry: So people kept
sending me this this one
particular clip and I don't know
if it's fake or or if we're just
hearing it wrong. Listen to
this. This is when their work
walking into Westminster Abbey
into the into the church Shut
up What do you hear them
singing?
John C Dvorak: I can understand
a word of it.
Adam Curry: Well I mean, it
seems it seems that it must be
singing. I like vagina Camilla
it that can't be right. But if
you if you
John C Dvorak: think it can't be
right,
Adam Curry: but now that you've
heard it, you can't unhear it.
That's the point.
John C Dvorak: Okay, play it
again.
Adam Curry: I'm playing it
directly from a YouTube because
I forgot the clip and just
remembered. I liked the preamble
was great though. The dynamite
band. Here we go
someone's got to set a straight
on what the room
John C Dvorak: looks like
silence Regina. I don't hear the
V.
Adam Curry: Well, when the words
are on the screen, your brain
goes Oh, yeah,
John C Dvorak: well, yeah, the
words are on the screen.
Adam Curry: By us vagina, I
don't know. I'd like to know is
I'm sure it's Latin or something
that we that just our ears
aren't attuned
John C Dvorak: to this cute
tote. To catch. So
Adam Curry: you know, of course,
the M five M was out in droves.
They ended up did ABC free trip?
Well, I don't know if all of
them were actually out there at
all. You have to turn your
speakers down just a little
because people are complaining
about it now. Because hey,
people stop complaining.
Unknown: The coronation concert
takes place in Windsor. It's
going to be right outside the
castle. There's going to be a
Union Jack shaped stage and some
big stars performing. No doubt
about it. Lionel Richie will be
dancing this weekend. A longtime
friend of King Charles and
Chairman for the global.
Adam Curry: Lionel Richie.
Anybody can get him for your
birthday. Yeah, I think he
charges 200 grand. But you know,
there's lots of people get
Lionel Richie. Get him. I
John C Dvorak: can't afford
that.
Adam Curry: I know. But it's not
like oh, this is so special.
Lionel Richie is performing at
the at the coronation, who he
never performs. No, he's
everywhere. Every weekend. The
guy just rakes it in. Right? He
doesn't like 45 minutes. Now he
does dancing on the ceiling and
the pillow and then you know
he's good to go. And then his
dancing on the ceiling again.
And there was dancing in the
aisles. It's beautiful. And
Chairman
Unknown: for the milk it Yes. Oh
good on
ambassadors of the Prince's
Trust is set to perform center
stage on
Adam Curry: when Lionel Richie
was cheating on his wife and she
found out she walked in on him
and then she beat him naked all
the way down the street.
John C Dvorak: And when that
story I forgot about I
Adam Curry: just wanted to give
everyone that visual for a
moment someday. This is history.
We've known each other for a
very long time. Richie is also
Unknown: part of the exclusive
guestlist to the coronation at
Westminster Abbey.
I plan on showing I'm just going
to walk down and every once in a
while they'll tell me Mr. Richie
just get out of the aisle. The
King has. I mean, this is just a
moment. The parents have
announced a few later editions.
Get out of the aisle Richie
Cruz, Nicole Scherzinger. Oh Tom
Cruise wrote a few later
editions with Tom Cruise.
John C Dvorak: Tom Cruise in his
busy busy schedule. He can go
welcome Joe Biden can't go no, I
Adam Curry: have an answer for
that
Unknown: later editions with Tom
Cruise. Nicole Scherzinger we've
got Winnie the Pooh joining zone
slash China Beijing ping. We've
got Winnie the Pooh joining for
his own skates is almost
reminiscent of some of those
magic moments we saw during the
Platinum Jubilee. I think
Charles is hoping that it'll
bring some magic to his moment
too.
Adam Curry: Dead man walk I gave
him two years ago this was this
was just a dress rehearsal for
for William and Kate. And, you
know,
John C Dvorak: I have the same
sense of this. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it feels like this
is just a preamble to the real
great reset. And I don't want to
be morbid about it. But I can't
help but think that it's like,
you know, this guy aids. They
just gave it to him because he
waited so long. And we needed to
practice because when Will and
Kate when they take the throne.
It's going to be it's not going
to be not my king. People will
love that. We'll have a new new
lady die era in a way. Anyway,
why did Joe Biden our president
now Joe Biden was there she
showed up by blood that
John C Dvorak: means the
President was there. A good one.
Unknown: Questions about why
President Biden is not in
attendance himself. He was asked
overnight by our Stephanie rule,
here's what he had to say.
You did not go to England this
weekend for the coronation?
No, I didn't. But I did speak to
the king. We're going to be
going to a NATO conference in
Europe. And I told him I'd stop
you there on the way over there
on the way back,
John C Dvorak: how stop in
Adam Curry: how rude is that? I
can't come to your party of the
century. And by the way, I heard
Lionel Richie is performing. But
I wish I could. But I had him at
my birthday party. So
John C Dvorak: I stopped by
another trip.
Adam Curry: I'm maybe on the way
back, you know, I hit you on the
rebound, Chuck. That is so
insulting really is if I was
just listened to us as humans
Say that again. I mean, what
happened to our special
relationship? Now, are we
supposed to have a special
relationship with the UK? Yeah,
it's over.
Unknown: But I did speak to the
king, we're gonna be going to
NATO conference in Europe. And I
told him I'd stop you there on
the way there and the way back
Adam Curry: depends on my
timing, you know, I got stuff to
do very important things to do
this customer
Unknown: he really is passionate
about
the environment. So there you
have President Biden explaining
why he's not there. And
Savannah, all eyes will be on
that meeting that visit that we
expect the President to have.
And one of the key themes and
passions that they share is
their passion for the
environment in Savannah.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, Joe Biden's
passion for the environment.
Lady and then of course we had
the royal rift you know what's
gonna happen with that? Would
Harry show up he do. Songs may
go home. And you know, of course
they all came out on the balcony
and who's gonna stand where and
all these important things.
Unknown: A lot of news that we
were falling but we again this
happened Good News New whose lot
of news that we were falling but
we do begin this half hour with
a closer look at the Royal rift
coronation day Prince very
attending his father ceremony
but relegated to the spectator
role. ABCs Lama Hassan has more
more Lama
this morning all eyes on these
two brothers supporting their
father, the newly unofficially
minted King William and Harry
reuniting publicly for the first
time since the late Queen's
funeral during the ceremony
playing very different roles.
William now the first in line to
the throne playing a big part,
presenting the king with the
royal robes and paying homage to
him a flying visit for the
prince who came on his own. His
wife Megan stayed at home to be
with their kids, Harry attending
the coronation service before
choosing not to have rocks and
bottles thrown out or their kids
Harry attending the coronation
service before jetting off back
to California to be with his own
family, making it in time for
his son Archie's fourth
birthday.
The fact that she's not coming
to the coronation, I think it's
probably a bit of a relief to
some of the other members of the
family. They won't say that but
I'm sure it will be such
Adam Curry: as the marbles in
the mouth. Of course not
everybody was happy then if you
weren't happy you got arrested
Unknown: 1000s of people lining
the streets of London to try to
catch a glimpse of King Charles
and Queen Camilla on their
coronation day. But not
everybody was happy about the
event. There were anti monarchy
demonstrations in some British
cities. In London several 100
protesters in Trafalgar Square
booed repeatedly during the
coronation service as it relates
to crowds.
Professors also chanted slogans
including not my king.
Adam Curry: No justice, no
peace.
Unknown: No video footage showed
several protesters dressed in T
shirts emblazoned with those
words, not my king being
detained by police officers.
Adam Curry: Now this was kind of
interesting. The these were
professional, professionally
printed T shirts, yellow, and
professionally printed signs
made to look like they were hand
drawn. I did a little
examination. And they were all
paid for by labor by the Labour
Party
John C Dvorak: or the Labour
Party's got the upper hand I do
have a clip of the results of
the local elections which is
hurting labor.
Adam Curry: And there were some
problems with that too. There
were people couldn't vote. There
were irregularities. Let's put
it
John C Dvorak: away anytime that
the labor side of things takes
over there.
Adam Curry: irregularities
happen. All right, here's, oh,
it's one of our favorites. This
is in D
Unknown: the British Prime
Minister Rishi Sunak
Conservative Party is facing a
bleak set of local election
results today. Voters turn away
from his party amid surging
inflation and stagnant economic
growth.
But what I am going to carry on
doing is delivering on the
people's priorities. Having
inflation growing the economy
reducing debt cutting waiting
list and stopping the boats.
That's what people want us to
do. That's what I'm going to
keep doing
Adam Curry: Making the vote
either that or stopping the boat
what sounded like stopping the
vote
Unknown: is delivering on the
people's priorities. Having
inflation growing the economy
reducing debt cutting waiting
list and stopping the boats.
That's what people want us to
do. That's stopping the
Adam Curry: boats, stopping the
boats, the boats with the
immigrants stopping the boats.
That's what people want. They
don't want to stop the boat and
Unknown: the boats. That's what
people want us to do. That's
what I'm gonna keep hard to
do. And make no mistake. We are
on course for a labour majority
at the next general election.
The results show the
conservative net loss of about
460 seats Wow. The main
opposition Labour Party added
about 260 seats and the Liberal
Democrats gained about 140
seats. Sunak said local
elections results so far showed
that people wanted his ruling
party to deliver on their
priorities. opposition Labour
Party leaders cure Sturmer says
the Labour Party is on course
for a majority at the next
general election. He describes
tonight's party as the problem,
not the solution.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, they're
out.
Adam Curry: So there were a
couple of interesting people at
the stunner of of the coronation
was Penny MorDaunt MorDaunt
Penny MorDaunt. I'm not quite
sure how to pronounce it. She
now she was Liz trust as leader
of the House of Commons. And I'm
not quite sure what her position
is now but she got to carry I
guess she's the president of the
Privy Council. The Privy Council
John C Dvorak: which we've
talked about the Privy Council
before Privy Council again this
eventually is a drinking club
now Can't you guys into was the
EVO meeting everyone's
underwhelming? Well,
Adam Curry: she got the she got
to carry the sword King Charles
is priceless sword made for
George the fourth 1821
coronation, but it was what she
was wearing.
John C Dvorak: I think he's got
the world's biggest diamond in
it.
Adam Curry: Is that in the
shorter I know that?
John C Dvorak: I think it's in
his TED tip of the sword. I
watch one hold KQED special and
all the jewels.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I know Africa
wants their diamond back.
Something someone in
John C Dvorak: Africa that
everybody wants stuff back.
Yeah.
Adam Curry: Anyway, so she she's
wearing this blue outfit, which
was I mean, it really showcase
her ample bosom. I'm just
reading was one way of putting
it and reading what the British
press is saying but
John C Dvorak: we got to start
using that term.
Adam Curry: So Shocking.
Shocking. I tell you, there was
a couple of observations want
that? I'm sure I'm sure that
it's that these colors are are
meant to be. But did you notice
that the floor of Westminster
that yellow and blue which
whether it's intended or not is
subliminal for Ukraine? was kind
of odd. I don't know why the
yellow and blue I didn't look
into it. But I couldn't help
another day
John C Dvorak: clean the thing
recently to an extreme to get
all the colors back up.
Adam Curry: But are those are
those two carpets there? I mean,
is that is that the color carpet
for the day? Have
John C Dvorak: you thought it
was the tiles?
Adam Curry: I thought it was
carpet will be yellow and it
must be it must signify
something the blue of the ample
bosom lady had the blue your
coronation carpet rose resembles
Ukrainian flag this is from the
telegraph. Some of oh I'm not
alone. Oh, this was the theme
some of the guests including us
first lady Joe Biden also wore
yellow and blue as they arrived.
John C Dvorak: Ah, it's a setup.
It sure sounds
Adam Curry: like it stinks. I
don't know if that was if that's
That's very odd. I don't see any
any other reason for it. That is
head yellow and blue carpets and
everyone's remarking
John C Dvorak: they're
celebrating Sweden.
Adam Curry: Doubtful. And then
and one of the others several
people pointed out to me is the
ghoulish figure
John C Dvorak: Oh, it couldn't
be the rug is from IKEA. Yeah.
Unknown: Yes, sorry. Yeah, that
Adam Curry: was like that.
That's three sided thing they
had to put together from Ikea as
well. You know, the that hides
the chair or whatever. Are the
secret stuff that Charles is
doing behind it. Did you see the
hooded ghoul? No, I did
John C Dvorak: not see the
hooded ghoul. You've gotta look
it up. Was it so Zelinsky was
there.
Adam Curry: So all of a sudden
you see behind the arch as
people have already come through
the arch you see? Almost like
what's the guy with the with the
with the death?
John C Dvorak: The Grim Reaper,
Adam Curry: Grim Reaper thank
you that guy. He's a hooded
ghoul, just like the Grim Reaper
with a long cane. Like in front
of him and just like walks from
one side of the arch to the
other. It was very odd. I mean,
I maybe it was a janitorial
service, but it was was it was
it was injured? You should look
that up, but I put it in the in
the show notes. It's very
interesting to see the hooded
ghoul hooded ghoul. Yeah. So I
think that's kind of kind of all
that we had to say. I think we
covered it. Yeah, pretty much
I'm, I'm happy for for King
Charles, you know, but it's
still it's so the whole thing is
so odd. It's really, really
strange justice
John C Dvorak: to the
interesting tweets. I've made
this observation. They had they
spent a lot of time on these
different overnight channels
that were playing this thing
live. And they had a lot of
trying to humanize him. And they
went out of their way to
humanize him. He was a comedian
and he did a bunch of jokes when
he was young, high school, he
was in a play when he could have
been an actor. Sure. And you go
on and on with all his
humanization and I'm thinking
when did they ever start? Isn't
the idea of a monarch and that
whole kind of thing is something
that's that's Supra Cumin is not
above human yes above, above
human, it's not you're not
supposed to humanize them and
bring him down to the level of
the of the of the people.
Adam Curry: Yes, I think you're
right. He also becomes the the
head of the Church of England,
which I think is supposed to
supersede the pope somehow. Your
net blood
John C Dvorak: in England. Yeah,
in England,
Adam Curry: exactly. In England.
John C Dvorak: So I find that
peculiar, because it seems that
you don't you want to make him
rise above not, Brett drag him
down and they were doing
everything they could. And it
seemed as though is that PR
woman? That PR woman who is
trying to get to you know, he's
a man of the people. He
understands the poor lab, bla
bla bla boss bullcrap. And when
I think that if you're going to
be in a monarchy system, you
don't want to degrade your
monarch. No, but once you push
him in the other direction, I
don't get it.
Adam Curry: Well, you're
supposed to go the other way.
You're supposed to be awesome,
like the queen. And then and
then then you put on your
wellies and you go out in the
flood. And then you are
John C Dvorak: dead baffles me.
Why would you want that? I don't
want my king in the flood.
That's that's the British thing.
He just got washed away. What
was he doing there? What an
idiot.
Adam Curry: You know, there are
I'm sure we have some listeners
who actually like this stuff.
You know,
John C Dvorak: there are more
anarchist type people. And I
would like them to explain to me
my complaint, which is why are
they trying to drag the king
down to the level of the of the
impoverished? He's a king. He's
moody and he should be above it
all. It should be seen as, you
know, a Supra. The good word
human.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm with you.
I don't know. I mean, usually
they do that after a while, you
know, but again, I'm sorry. I
just don't feel like this is
gonna last very long. I just
don't feel like it's gonna last
long for Charles. VO William and
Kate. They be even I would watch
William and Kate's coronation
you have that'll be that'd be
fun. Then you're gonna have all
of Hollywood coming. You know
it. That'll be a super party.
Lionel Richie gets back seat for
that, you know, we bring out the
hot people, the new ones, the
big stars.
John C Dvorak: The big stars
like Lizzo.
Adam Curry: Boy, you're on a
roll today. And I want to talk
about Ukraine and Russia because
there's a lot going on there.
And we have an ongoing
discussion over the future of
the war. I am of the opinion
that the war is ending. We need
to stop this as soon as possible
and focus all of our purchasing
and sales, mainly sales,
although Military Industrial
Complex likes to sell to us to
the people so we buy it. But
also to Taiwan. They just
recently had a big sale there. A
was a pre sale, a trunk sale,
when we sold them some f6 teens
the biggest sale so far of the
year, and that's where that's
where all the big money is. And
you believe with some merit, I
will say not completely baseless
that Joe Biden will do anything
he can to get boots on the
ground to secure his presidency,
which he has now announced or
he's running for. For President
again. He's announced it
announced.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, he
knows he knows and that was a
video that crappy video that was
he couldn't even get through it.
Now. They cut it and cut it in
Kaduna. When they said it was
like 100 cuts. Death by 100.
Cuts.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Do you have a
clip of that? No, we
John C Dvorak: played it already
on the show. No. Okay.
Adam Curry: Let's go to CBS Nora
O'Donnell.
Unknown: Russian authorities
today are blaming the United
States for an alleged
assassination attempt on
Vladimir Putin. The Biden
administration calls Russia's
nuclear What
Adam Curry: does she say?
Unknown: That right the
beginning Russian authorities
blaming the United States for an
alleged assassination attempt on
Vladimir Putin. The Biden
administration calls Russia's
nuclear In Ludicrous mode and
National Security Council,
Adam Curry: did you hear the
infamous nor the emphasis nor
put on that? ludicrous.
John C Dvorak: This is your
promise she's gonna get fired
because she can't seem to keep
herself out of the reporting.
It's odd. If I was being
executive mode, polar polar
aside, I'd say, a blurry aside
say, Hey, knock that off and
smile more. The Biden ministers
are very good, charming smile. I
don't know why she doesn't use
it more she does at the end of
the show. Yeah, here we go.
Unknown: Russian authorities
today are blaming the United
States for an alleged
assassination attempt on
Vladimir Putin. The Biden
administration calls Russia's
new claim ludicrous. National
Security Council Spokesman John
Kirby says the Kremlin is lying.
There are questions from the
United States on if there even
was an attack with Russia's
president as the target. Ukraine
says Russia staged the whole
thing. Overnight, several
Ukrainian cities were attacked
by drones.
Adam Curry: I love this. I love
that just throw away Oh, several
Ukrainian cities were attacked
by drones. What kind of drones
Reaper drones are we talking to
all these little little bitty
ones with a bomb attached
cardboard drones, which turns
out most of those are made in
Australia, the cardboard ones.
And as far as I can tell, the
only the Ukrainians have the
little the little remote control
plane drones. I don't think
Russia uses those. So when she
says several Ukrainian cities
were no information.
John C Dvorak: There's enough
information to hold that bid
report.
Adam Curry: Information hole.
Let's try ABC
Unknown: Russia tonight hurling
new threats aimed at the US, the
Deputy Foreign Minister wanting
their quote on the verge of an
open armed conflict with the
United States.
Adam Curry: What are we on the
verge of an open art? Whatever
that means is our reporting.
John C Dvorak: Yes, our
reporting because we are on the
verge of sending troops. Now I'm
going to refute this later,
Unknown: Russia tonight hurling
news at the US. The deputy
foreign minister wanting their
quote on the verge of an open
armed conflict with the United
States again claiming Ukraine
carried out a drone attack on
the Kremlin Wednesday,
attempting to assassinate
Russian President Vladimir Putin
at the direction of the US White
House Spokesman John Kirby
firmly denying the allegations
that the US was involved as
quote, a blatant lie still
Russia warning of possible
retaliation, saying it will
respond when and wherever it
sees fit on the battlefield.
nightmarish new video reportedly
showing Russian incendiary bombs
burning in a Ukrainian held
pocket of Bach moot and the
potentially major development on
that battlefield today. The head
of Moscow's Wagner mercenary
group says he's pulling his
troops out of the eastern
Ukrainian city because they're
not being supplied with enough
ammunition. In a video
statement, you have guinea pig
goes in calling his Russian
leadership coward and saying his
troops will leave Baku next week
on May 10. Western officials say
half of the 20,000 Russian
troops killed in Ukraine since
December. We're Wagner fighters
and Buck moves.
John C Dvorak: Okay, that's not
the I think they really miss
reported that story. Okay. He
said he would. He didn't say he
will. He was very vague. Here's
how I got to one clip from MTD.
The Wagner group guy is irked.
Unknown: Yeah, Turning now to
the Ukraine war. The leader of
Russia's Wagner group mercenary
force said today that his forces
would leave the Ukrainian city
of BOC mode. Russia has been
trying to capture the city since
last summer.
Must beside you to note that we
were put on what's known as
artificial ammunition deficit,
ammunition hunger. The
ammunition is freely available
in the depot's we were receiving
only 30% of what we needed. For
that reason, our losses were
significantly higher than they
should have been.
Prigogine said they would pull
back on May 10. Yes defense
chiefs to insert regular army
troops in their place. Wagner
has been spearheading Russia's
long and costly attempt to
capture Buck mode. Provision
said three weeks ago that his
men controlled more than 80% of
the city, but Ukrainian
defenders have held out and
perversion has vented increasing
anger and what he describes as a
lack of support from the Russian
defense establishment. Back mode
has taken on huge symbolic
importance for both sides
because of the sheer intensity
and duration of the fighting
there.
Adam Curry: You know, we really
haven't gotten a good background
on the Bogner group and why
they're there. This
John C Dvorak: is good point.
Adam Curry: I mean, also Joe
Wagner group Wagner group as
kind of like academy or
Blackwater, formerly known as
Blackwater. Is that Is that what
I'm supposed to think of the
Wagner group and the Wagner
group that day? They just
they're like a fair weather
friend. Oh, you don't give us
bullets? We go somewhere else.
I'm angry. And who cares? I
mean, is that all the brush? It
just sounds like that's all that
Russia has. Is the Wagner group.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I don't
think fishy about this Wagner.
Wagner to evade Wagner Wagner
Wagner budgets.
Adam Curry: And all of that just
seems moot compared to this next
story covered by both ABC and
NPR. Now, the Patriot missiles,
which several European countries
have given their Patriot
missiles, we've given our
Patriot missile banks. What do
we know about the Patriot
missiles? Are they Great? Are
they effective?
John C Dvorak: They're
considered lousy and they don't
work.
Adam Curry: Well. Listen to this
story.
Unknown: New images capturing
the battle for Ukraine unfolding
in the skies over key. Countries
Air Force tonight with a
spectacular claim that for the
first time, they've shot down a
Russian hypersonic missile which
Vladimir Putin once called
invincible with an American made
Patriot missile system. The
Russian hypersonic known as the
Kinzel can travel at more than
five times the speed of sound
and has a range of over 1000
miles. Ukraine only recently
deployed the Patriot the most
technologically advanced and
costly air defense system in the
world, each Patriot missile
almost $3 million. But the
Patriots ability to shoot down a
hypersonic missile has never
been publicly demonstrated.
Adam Curry: I have my doubts
about
John C Dvorak: boy, do you
because I do I have my doubts
about the pace sounds like full
crab hybrid missile to Tory's
notorious dog at 3 million bucks
a pop costly is the word he
used.
Adam Curry: We also don't know
if this Russian missile is
actually high restaurant so who
knows what that was? Is it
possible I'm just gonna throw
this out? Somebody's going
John C Dvorak: five over 5000
miles an hour or 44,000 to 5000
miles an hour?
Adam Curry: I don't think so.
Not not not at that altitude.
Oh, it would burn I wish I
could. Is it possible this is
all just a wag the dog
John C Dvorak: media war I think
I think this this last thing
wasn't a wag the dog thing it
was let's sell some more
patriots to some other
Adam Curry: suckers. Well, let's
listen to NPR. Is it on the sale
Unknown: overseas? Ukraine says
it used a newly acquired us
Patriot missile battery to shut
down a Russian hybrid.
Adam Curry: I gotta read
something from the troll room.
All right, wasn't it Ice Cube.
If the hypersonic missiles not
very maneuverable than the
patriot has a chance with a
software upgrade, please. I
think it'd be a firmware
upgrade, not a software upgrade.
Now we could get your hypersonic
missile just let me upgrade the
firmware. Ya know
Unknown: overseas Ukraine says
it used a newly acquired us
Patriot missile battery to shoot
down a Russian hypersonic weapon
over the capital of Kiva last
week. Newman has more
attacks on Ukraine in recent
months, Russia has increasingly
employed one of its latest high
tech missiles, the Kensal or
dagger, traveling it up to 10
times the speed of sound. The
missile had proved nearly
impossible to intercept but
Ukraine's Air Force
John C Dvorak: when would they
when was it tested against
interception? I don't know
they've been firing these things
off left and right and they've
been impossible to intercept I
don't know sounds like I by the
way have the sales pitch that
they didn't use the guy with
this thought with the software
upgrade the new Patriot missile
beat got the hypersonic missile
using AI
Adam Curry: ah yes what are we
thinking people crew Devora
consulting group to the rescue
once again. Yes, we have this is
your soul right? These guys are
behind the times Military
Industrial Complex hire us. We
will help you this is exactly
right. The new Patriot Yeah, so
we go now to general DeVore. AK
was going to explain how how was
possible for this. For this
Patriot missile, often known as
the dog of war, to actually
intercept the hatchet whatever
it was called the
John C Dvorak: the harrow comes
down Yeah, well, the AI which is
stands for artificial
intelligence can tell you can
adjust the sighting and
targeting so far in advance that
before the missile is actually
launched by the Russians, it
will know where it's going to
go.
Adam Curry: So the dagger the
dagger, I'm sorry, the dagger?
Yeah, we shoot the dagger. We're
not afraid of your dagger,
Russia, we've got Patriot AI,
Unknown: traveling it up to 10
times the speed of sound. The
missile had proved nearly
impossible to intercept. But
Ukraine's Air Force armed with
us supplied Patriot missiles
that arrived last month says it
destroyed a Kensal during a
Russian strike on Kyiv earlier
this week, it's thought to be
the first time Ukraine has
managed to intercept a Russian
hypersonic missile. In October
the US agreed to supply patriots
to Ukraine to aid in defending
its skies against the Kremlin's
air and missile attacks.
Adam Curry: Yet there's a drone
late yet there's drones
attacking multiple cities in in
Ukraine and they can't stop
John C Dvorak: you can't stop
dos Santos you know, and that
might understand the most of the
missiles that were hitting
Ukraine overtime or cruise
missiles, not this crazy
hypersonic thing? Well, well, I
mean, was there any evidence
that they were being pounded by
these things in the past? I
don't know this, but we
Adam Curry: know why this is a
story. Because we need to
develop hypersonic missiles.
That's the whole
John C Dvorak: money there.
Yeah, you're
Adam Curry: right. You know, so
we need
John C Dvorak: but then again,
if the, if the Patriot can bring
him down, you know, maybe we're
gonna do hyper hypersonic.
Adam Curry: And we were talking
about the just war. Now they
call the this in Ukraine, the
you know, it's not a just war.
This comes from its military
ethics, just war theory. There's
a whole Wikipedia page on it.
Which has been studied by
military leaders, theologians,
ethicist and policymakers,
consultants. It's doctrine to
ensure that a war is morally
justifiable through a series of
criteria, all of which must be
met for war to be considered
considered just juice ad bellum.
The right to go war? And of
course, this comes from ancient
Egypt and then route the I mean,
he hard was a joke. Used to blow
I agree. I agree. They heard
from our constitutional law
professor JJ, he says the war of
aggression in international law,
which I'm like, show me their
international law book. We sent
me stuff but it was not an it'll
not it's not a book that says
this is international law,
because that just doesn't exist.
The Supreme crimes, supreme
crime is a war of aggression.
That means an unprovoked attack,
such as the primary charge
against heads of Germany and
Japan after World War Two.
John C Dvorak: You mean, all
those provoked attacks?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, well,
Jeff. But I mean, that that just
defining it. But of course,
it's, you know, there was a lot
of
John C Dvorak: a lot of problem
the attack on Pearl Harbor was
provoked.
Adam Curry: Of course. It was,
in fact provoked. Yeah, it was
tell people.
John C Dvorak: It doesn't mean
that wasn't chickenshit tell us
how it was provoked. What was
provoked because we did cut off
all kinds of weak trade we had
to we got into a trade war for
all practical purposes with
Japan. Exactly. And we
specifically we provoked them.
Yeah. And I would say the word
cutting them off here and there
cutting them off at the knees
here and there, what you're
trying to do to China, and it
provoked him. And so they, you
know, joined forces with the,
with the Nazis and got us into
the war by bombing Pearl Harbor,
which we some people believe
was, I think, was some
justification that we knew it
was coming
Adam Curry: so that we could get
into the war
John C Dvorak: sounds and that's
why we moved all our big
carriers. We left all the junky
boats behind, move the big
carriers off the road by just
coincidence. Luckily, our big
carriers weren't anywhere near
the place. That's a lucky
coincidence.
Adam Curry: That part of the
story is not told in the Pacific
War Museum here in
Fredericksburg. And it's in
John C Dvorak: the red that the
carriers are moved out of the
way No, no is not
Adam Curry: told, not told.
It's, by the way, that's a
dynamite Museum. If you ever
want to see it's just a credit
Museum, the Pacific War Museum
in Fredericksburg because of
course, Admiral Nimitz, grew up
in Fredericksburg. And the
Nimitz was a huge aircraft
carrier that won the war for our
boys so
John C Dvorak: Nimitz would name
is home was like I say won the
Pacific War by himself on
Adam Curry: just him him and
his, his pipe, his buddy and his
buddies. So an apple bomb and do
you have anything on Ukraine any
other stuff before I go on? And
blow you out of the water?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's funny
when you ask knowing you have to
listen you see nothing
Adam Curry: I do. I rarely look
at your list. I mean, I don't
really care. Sweetie, you know I
mean, I'm not supposed to I'm
not spying
John C Dvorak: I guess the wagon
or group guy thought I had some
Ukraine clips. I think I have
some leftover of Nope, I use
them all. No, we're good to go.
Adam Curry: So Anne Applebaum.
Is she's kind of a media darling
of of this war.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we have to
revisit who she is because every
time I look her up every so
often and every time I hear her
name, as she's spoke of some
sort or she's an Asian
provocateur, she's I don't know
what she is. And every night
then I forget about her
completely and then you bring
her up again and I have to be
reminded who she is
Adam Curry: because she keeps
popping up everywhere as the
expert now of course she writes
for The Atlantic currently but
ah, no attic she is Polish
American. So you know she's so
she's been very involved in this
because, you know, she's
actually no young I'm in Poland
and her aid isn't her husband or
her boyfriend. He was the guy
that when, when they when we
blew up the Nord Stream he he
said thanks America or some I'm
paraphrasing thanks America Good
job everybody. Reading from her
Wikipedia page. She has written
extensively about the history of
communism so that she would be a
trans Maoist, she would be part
of the system trying to drive us
into communism. She's worked at
the economist, a spectator, a
member of the editorial board of
the Washington Post, she won the
pure the coveted pure surprise
for general nonfiction for
gulag, a history published in
2004, staff writer for Atlantic
senior fellow at the Agora
Institute, Johns Hopkins, a
Johns Hopkins University School
of Advanced International
Studies. Yeah, I'd say spook,
oh, Sidwell and friends.
John C Dvorak: She think Wait, I
got another one as well. Yeah.
She spent the summer in
Leningrad. Yes, she did. But
what she has written.
Adam Curry: Sidwell Friends
School is where all the spook
children go to including my
cousin's. Oh, okay. So that's a
giveaway and she's Phi Beta
Kappa
John C Dvorak: is not a dummy,
which is spooks love Phi Beta
Kappa, and
Adam Curry: in 1989, just by
coincidence, she drove from
Warsaw to Berlin to report on
the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
Anyway, yeah, this girl is
connected. And she has been
writing a lot about Russia. I
think she'd St. Anthony's
John C Dvorak: College, Oxford
to me, she's probably a Rhodes
dealer soon. Who knows.
Adam Curry: She has been writing
about Russia since the early
1990s and 2000. She described
the links between the den new
new President of Russia Vladimir
Putin, with former Soviet leader
Yuri on drop off and rip off the
former can drop off and drop and
drop them off. In 2000, he began
speaking about Putin ism as an
anti democratic NISM Okay, write
that down if we ever use that as
a title. Nope. ism.
John C Dvorak: Don't care for
it. So she she like ample bosom
is better.
Adam Curry: How do you spell it
spell bosom?
John C Dvorak: Pos O M
Adam Curry: ample bosom? Okay.
So she's she's, she's an
activist. She's not
John C Dvorak: whether or not
she's writing all this materials
and other question because we
know that the agencies plural,
plenty of writers and crank
listen, I feel bad for these
guys who write for somebody else
and then their name is narrowed
Manchester's
Adam Curry: member of Congress
ghost writer, member of Council
on Foreign Relations. I am on
the board of the National
Endowment for Democracy, which
is a huge NGO funding out
outfit. Yeah, we should get
money from them. Good luck,
member of the Institute for war
and peace reportings,
international board of
directors. Is that Amy's outfit?
I don't think so. But she's just
the War and Peace Report. Senior
adjunct Fellow at the Center for
European Policy Analysis spook
outfit led a major initiative
aimed at countering Russian
disinformation in Central and
Eastern Europe. Okay, you get
the idea.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, she's so
she's like, holy moly.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So she's tied
in, she's clued in she knows
what's going on. And as usual,
John C Dvorak: and her spouse is
this guy, who is Rattus law
Sikorski, a Polish politician
and journalist is a member of
the European Parliament,
Parliament. And here's some some
other things he's Polish he's
real polish, and she's got a new
book out of course she doesn't
crank those books out we're not
doing any work
Adam Curry: the twilight of
democracy explains with
electrifying clarity why some of
her contemporaries have
abandoned liberal democratic
ideas in favor of strong man
cults nationalist movements, or
one party states
John C Dvorak: surely this named
people that have gone for that
Adam Curry: I'm not gonna I'm
just reading from her blurb
blurb that she to help man
Stalin's war on Ukraine she she
knows it all. She she knows it
all. Okay, so we've established
what she is and who she is what
she does,
John C Dvorak: and every we have
to do this over and over again,
she's she's the perfect and an
apple bombs or name. Okay?
Adam Curry: What Sure. Oh,
John C Dvorak: well, you know,
the CIA read names everybody, is
something you're saying if
you're gonna start renaming
people with some phony baloney
names, I think an apple bomb is
pretty good choice.
Adam Curry: Let's see. Oh, and
her most recent article in The
Atlantic. Is was May 1. The Case
for Tow to liberation of
Ukraine, Russia must be expelled
from all of Ukraine's territory,
including Crimea. So this is
what she may be writing and
saying, you know, for all of her
Washington, DC hoity toity
people but as we know, if you
put any of these, any of these
intellectuals, anybody really
reporter, he put them on a
podcast what happens? They talk
or they speak out of turn. They
say too much. They say way too
much. And wouldn't you know it?
She was on the pivot podcast,
which is the award winning
technology podcast that doesn't
really talk about technology
with your favorite of mine, Kara
Swisher, and the Professor G.
Scott Galloway. And they asked
her specifically about ending
the war in Ukraine,
Unknown: as I said, I think that
they're the counter offensive is
might not look like what we
think it would look like. I
mean, it may not be kind of
brigade.
John C Dvorak: What they've been
talking about this counter
offensive, and so she's been a
spokesperson for who knows who.
And she says, hey, you know,
it's not gonna look like we
think, which means is not either
not going to happen, or it's a
huge dud or some something's
wrong,
Unknown: it's better look like
what we think it would look
like. I mean, it may not be kind
of brigades of tanks, you know,
streaming across the
countryside. It may come in fits
and starts. So there may be, as
I said, I think the Ukrainian
Adam Curry: you can be Go ahead.
John C Dvorak: How does she know
any of this?
Adam Curry: She's boots on the
ground.
John C Dvorak: Defense
Department. She is EIA, what's
the deal? She's
Adam Curry: everything she knows
what's going on. This is this is
what's so beautiful about the
podcast. Below she think, Oh,
I'm just gonna chat with with
Kara and Scott the way we do it
at the club, head, the lip Joe
club, we're just going to talk a
little bit and because you know,
this is how they talk, when
they're on the phone. She's
forgetting that people listen to
the podcast, she's very
different when she's on MSNBC,
or CNN or even one of the
weather networks. She's an
official, she's that she is a
spokes hole for what's going on.
She's written the book,
Unknown: it may come in fits and
starts, she's a patriot. So
there may be, as I said, I think
the Ukrainians are going to be
probing up and down the line.
They're going to be looking for
political opportunities, as well
as military opportunities.
They're, they're what part of
their goal is to kind of
destabilize the Kremlin, as
we've already discussed, and,
and create a sense in Russia
that just that the war is a
waste of time. And
Adam Curry: this is very
important, because this is what
she's part of, is these groups
that go in and do subversive
stuff in a country to chant, you
know, coup, basically color
revolution. And they have had in
their mind for the longest time,
if only we can get Vladimir
Putin to be thrown out by his
own people. This is what they
really want. But you know, Putin
throughout all the NGOs funded
by USA ID he saw it come and he
saw it. And what was that in
2015? Or something he
John C Dvorak: saw was a while
ago, they can't touch him. Yeah.
So
Adam Curry: but you know, so
anyway, this is what the
Ukrainians are now going to do.
Unknown: And if destabilize the
Kremlin, as we've already
discussed, and, and create a
sense in Russia that, you know,
just that the war is a waste of
time and a waste of energy. And
it's an it's an it should be
stopped.
Adam Curry: But that sounds like
a plan. Yeah, let's convince to
Putin isn't that it's a waste of
time. Should you just
Unknown: remember, they don't
need to occupy Moscow or conquer
Moscow or take Russian
territory, they have no
ambitions like that. All they
have to do is convince the
Russians, you know, to go home.
And really the moment the moment
when the Russians withdraw their
troops, the war's over, you
know, since it can, so there's
no complicated, you know,
territorial negotiation. There's
nothing complex that needs to be
done. They just need to leave
and then it's over. But they're
not going to leave. Right.
They're not willing. I mean,
Adam Curry: they have left such
a probing question, Kara,
Swisher? Well, well,
Unknown: Plex that needs to be
done. They just need to leave
and then it's over. But they're
not going to leave. Right.
They're not willing.
I mean, they have left, they
left Pearson, they left arkiv.
And they left, you know, the
northern part of Ukraine that
they conquered the beginning of
the war. So there's some
precedent for thinking they
could leave.
Adam Curry: So what if they just
left back moot? Then they could,
Oh, it's over. They left. Maybe
that's why all this focus is on
that right now. Maybe this is
the Wagner group's job, because
they're fairweather friends, by
all we give up. We have no
support. There's not that we're
leaving. And then then they
could clear victory. I mean, we
still have to prosecute Vladimir
Putin at the International
Criminal Court. But that would
be one area. She's definitely
backpedaling on the war aspect
of it. Oh, I don't want to have
to convince the people of the
Russia to tell Vladimir Putin
it's a waste of time. He just
needs to pull out and then it's
over the war's over done. That's
what I heard from Anne
Applebaum. Did you hear that?
John C Dvorak: I heard that. The
Ukrainians have got nothing.
That's why there's not going to
be a counter offensive, which
they've been putting off. It
seems to me an awful long time.
But your thesis because of the
it's possible that his Wagner
group guy who's out and
notorious for being a blowhard,
according to other reports, may
you might be right, he may be
setting it up for this
withdrawal. And in the Russians.
For one thing, they're leaving a
mess.
Adam Curry: Yeah, for sure.
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's the
areas that the Russians are
dicking around and are, are
messed up. And they've killed a
lot of people. Yes, a
Adam Curry: very bad day for
Ukrainians. They're
John C Dvorak: so bad day. And
so well, let me give you some
you know what they could do? I
Adam Curry: mean, let me let me
give you a little more, because
this was a long interview.
John C Dvorak: I'm all ears
here.
Adam Curry: So now listen to
this, about the US is support in
all of this, what do we really
want to have happen
Unknown: to how would you assess
the West?
Adam Curry: Well, I'm Bob Scott.
Unknown: Bomer, Professor of
Marketing. I'm a professor of
marketing at NYU, and I'm going
to talk more now with you.
How would you assess the West's
support for Ukraine? And
Adam Curry: what what are your
views on on? Do you have a
message for for the West? Do you
have a message? Can you give us
the CIA's message and Ukraine
and what what are your views on
Do you have a message for for
the West,
Unknown: so it's really
impressive what we've done so
far, and it's a lot more than
anybody had ever expected. And
it's that's also a reflection of
the fact that Ukrainians just
impressed people, you know,
Solinsky was good at
communicating. But it wasn't
just him. It was the, you know,
the, you know, the Ukrainians
fought back, you know, and
Marielle. Paul, for example, the
very good, you know, early part
of the war and kids. And because
of that, the nice is rub
John C Dvorak: alized.
Adam Curry: We continue, oh,
Paul,
Unknown: for example, let's
Adam Curry: go back to it on
that one indicating, but
Unknown: it wasn't just him. It
was the, you know, the
Ukrainians fought back, you
know, at Marielle pole, for
example, at the very early part
of the war. And he is, and
because I
Adam Curry: did you hear what I
just heard, I didn't hear this
before. Did you hear what I just
heard? She said, Kyiv? She said
Kyiv? Maybe she's a double
agent.
John C Dvorak: You know, I, I
wonder about when you talk to
people from the area, they say
you can pronounce it either way.
It's no big deal. But we've been
known as a key reason and the
only inundated by saying Kyiv it
could be a part of the milieu
she's
Adam Curry: in. Yeah, Russian
KGB, I think she's a
John C Dvorak: CIA may be
calling it killer. Oh,
Adam Curry: good. One,
Unknown: Ukrainians fought back,
you know, in Marielle. Paul, for
example, at the very early part
of the war, and he is, and
because of that you've had this
galvanizing effect on Europe on
America, you know, and our
willingness to give them weapons
and help them is extraordinary.
I would say one thing, which is
that we always seem to be kind
of three or four beats behind
the situation. You know,
eventually we will give them you
know, we said we wouldn't give
them high marzi, these long
range missiles, long range
artillery, you know, and then we
did, you know, we've said we
wouldn't give them airplanes,
and now actually, they're
beginning to get some airplanes
from, from European countries.
And we may eventually do that,
too. And it would help if we
would give them more
immediately, because then we
could maybe end the war more
quickly. I mean, the danger of
this war, obviously, is that it
drags on, which is not good for
them, not good for us not good
for anybody, and having a
decisive plan to end it, you
know, soon isn't something super
decisive plan to end it, you
know, soon isn't something I'm
feeling from Washington. I mean,
Washington remains in Washington
meeting in the White House
dependent on lots of different
people remains nervous about the
idea that the Ukrainians could
win in other words, could push
the Russians out of at least
their territory since February
22. Taken since February 2022.
But in more than that February
in territory taken since 2014.
And there seems to be there's
there's still a lot of
nervousness and I think that
that's that's been a kind of
drag on the war. And there's a
danger that that nervousness
could extend the war. So they
don't want them to win too much.
They just want them to take they
seem to not they nobody says it
quite like that. Nobody will
ever say that. on the record,
you know, even off the record,
they don't really say that
Adam Curry: except on our
podcast your dog's Stupid woman
Unknown: to take. They seem to
not that nobody says it quite
like that. Nobody will ever say
that on the record, you know,
even off the record, they don't
really say that. But yeah, it's
pretty clear that they are
there. They're nervous about
what that would mean. And I
think that's wrong because again
for now, I think I said this to
another time it's a it's a
political struggle as well as a
military one and the Russians
have to be convinced that they
can't win and that there's no
opportunity for them to win.
Adam Curry: That's you said a
lot there. And I think go either
my way or your way what I heard
her say was, they want them to
win but let's not drag this out
and try and get Crimea back.
That's what I hear. What did you
hear?
John C Dvorak: boots on the
ground baby? Gum and that's
possible.
Adam Curry: It's possible. It's
possible I think it could go
either way. But I just like how
podcasts are beautiful, please.
And I love hearing this on the
number one award winning tech
podcast that's what I love so
much about it. It's just
John C Dvorak: there ever been
any tech discussed on this award
winning tech podcast
Adam Curry: all the time? It's
mainly a cara and Scott get
Professor G's hatred of Elon
Musk that is the extent of tech
that they discuss. That's really
it. That's all they do.
John C Dvorak: Well, as long as
they win awards,
Adam Curry: and abroad, they're
very very, very happy about
their award. They think they're
great.
John C Dvorak: Who they get an
award from.
Adam Curry: Oh, it's like a it
was a big award like the
webisodes are one of those
John C Dvorak: Oh, webby.
Adam Curry: Yeah. webby. Have
you ever won a Webby?
John C Dvorak: No, only really,
we had a woman who started the
web. He's on the old silicon
spin show. She was actually part
of, I think she worked at Tech
TV for a while. And very nice,
nice, nice girl who was kind of
a pretty blonde that was kind of
like over over made up or quite
attractive. And in a funny kind
of a high schoolish way then one
of the girls that was also a
staffer knew her in high school.
And she was one of those good
looking Mean Girls, where we
had, and she was she hated her.
And I said, well, she's nice,
and she was good on the show.
She's very charming, charming,
sharp, and inventive, and can
manage to make these webs work.
I was very impressed by her. Let
me say number name.
Adam Curry: It's, I know the guy
who produces that friend of mine
actually produces the award show
itself and he's not cheap. He
does very, very expensive stuff.
I'm trying to find this award
that they want I can't seem to
find it.
John C Dvorak: The their partner
award, we should win the
Peabody.
Adam Curry: You've said this
several Hey, I'm still waiting
for my for my production of war
sound award.
John C Dvorak: Don't worry,
you're gonna get it. From A to B
from the audio engineers are one
of those guys
Adam Curry: that they never even
televised those. Well, you're
not gonna get
John C Dvorak: televised.
Adam Curry: But you don't even
get an
John C Dvorak: audio guy ever
gets on television.
Adam Curry: I want Ricky Gervais
to accept for me. I accept the
on behalf of curry. Meanwhile,
the American public is not
foolish. Now they know exactly
what's going on C span is where
they they air their grievances
because hey, it's television.
Unknown: Good morning. Thanks
for taking my call. 62
Adam Curry: Thanks for taking my
call.
Unknown: I've never seen our
country in such turmoil. You
know, Donald Trump, as much as
people hate that man. He's given
us a peek behind the curtains,
how things work. For example,
your last segment regarding the
war. It's funny how the media,
they don't quite live. They just
give you one side of the story.
The media is in bed with the
politicians, the National
Security Agency spying on a
president changing elections. We
have a war in Ukraine. That was
started by us. We blew up the
Nord Stream pipeline. We're
letting millions of immigrants
flow across our border.
How do we how do we blow up the
Nord Stream pipeline?
Well, again, if the media would
do their job, The New York Times
journalist as wrote about this
in detail wrote about it and how
this was done. Joe Biden even
set it on television not quite
said we're gonna do it. But he
was asked how you're going to
stop the pipeline. He said, We
got ways to do it. Now the media
would get on board. You guys are
supposed to be. You're in the
Constitution you you're
protecting the people. But
you're all in cahoots with the
politicians, the establishment,
the very powerful people the
Bilderberg people, right?
Billionaires global world order.
They want us eaten by a
Democratic women women or men,
every institution upside down.
Nobody trusts anybody anymore.
Let's stop right there. Let's go
to Sandra who's calling from
Tennessee. All the independent
life.
John C Dvorak: Alright, well,
today for that guy.
Unknown: That's very, very good.
John C Dvorak: That was the
that's the black Democrat Host.
Yeah, the big bugs I call these
really hates Trump. Oh, well,
Adam Curry: let's play this one
for him. Then a just in the I
don't know how this gets out
video of Trump's deposition in
the accusation. This is great.
This is only a little piece and
there's no it's on YouTube. So
they had to censor out the word
rape for some reason. I guess
YouTube kicks it off if you have
rape in there. But it's the
President being deposed about E.
J. Carroll. We when she first
came out with this accusation a
couple years ago, we played
several clips was so
embarrassing that even Anderson
Cooper would just like take this
woman off the air when she was
like yeah, rapists sexy This is
that she's a nut job
frightening. And people are
sending me these clips like it's
new. Hey, look at Anderson
Cooper did Yeah, four years ago
whenever it was. But here's a
little piece of the deposition.
Unknown: Okay, then you go on to
say in the statements. And while
I am not supposed to say it, I
will.
Why were you not supposed to say
it? Because it's not politically
correct to say, read the next go
ahead. That she's not my type.
Because it's not politically
correct to say it, and I know
that but I'll say it anyway.
She's accusing me of a woman
that I have no idea who she is
the worst thing you can do the
worst charge. And, and you know,
it's you know, it's not true to
your political operative. Also
your disk. You're a disgrace.
But she's accusing me and so you
have, and it never took place.
And I will tell you, I made that
statement. I said, Well, it's
politically incorrect. She's not
my type. And that's 100%. True.
She's not my type.
You are referring to her
physical looks correct. Just the
overall not
my I look at her. I see her I
hear what she says. Whatever.
You wouldn't be a choice of mine
either. To be honest with you, I
hope you're not insulted. I
would not, under any
circumstances have any interest
in you. Be honest, when I say
it, the only difference between
me and other people as I'm
honest.
John C Dvorak: I love I was
watching some of the analysis of
this. And there are guys I know
are Trump haters on certain
networks. Yeah. And they just
thought it was the funniest
thing that because you have to
admire a guy who goes in a
deposition and he's calling out
the lawyer on the other side for
being
Adam Curry: not not as tight
homely. Just for people refresh
people's memory that was 2019
June 27 is when we have the clip
of E Jean Carroll talking to
Anderson Cooper, about about
this rape and what she thinks of
rape. You don't feel
Unknown: like a victim. I was
not thrown on the ground and
ravish which the word rape
carries so many sexual
connotations. This was not this
was not sexual. It just It hurt.
It just was it just you know, I
think
John C Dvorak: most people think
of rape as I mean it is a
violent assault. It is not I
think
Unknown: most people think of
rape as being sexy. Go to
commercial fantasies. We've just
got to take a quick break. If
you can stick around we'll talk
more fascinating to talk to you.
John C Dvorak: Oh wow, I forgot
about that.
Adam Curry: That's horrible for
that woman say that that's
horrible. Horrible.
John C Dvorak: And by the you
know in a dressing room Have you
ever been I've been in a number
of these do you have much
anymore, but in these department
stores had the dressing rooms
get through somebody on the
floors, no room in those things.
Not like a lounge
Adam Curry: you haven't been
into the women's dressing rooms.
They got definitely got lounges
in there as well. There's party
to get champagne bars and got
all kinds of stuff going in the
wrong store. At meanwhile, Oh,
it looks like MSNBC is
definitely trying to take down
President Biden, you know, as
you said, the word is out. It's
take down Biden time,
Unknown: in less than four
weeks, the government's going to
run out of money. And so many of
these economic winds could fall
by the wayside as president,
what are you going to do to help
us avoid default?
Look, look, look, not as long
ago solitary Congress has ever
reneged on a debt. The debt is
not a debt that I accumulated,
the debt is not a debt that
occurred over the last several
years. It's 200 years, the debt
200 years. And the idea that we
wouldn't pay our debt is
bizarre.
Adam Curry: You know, I've
always noticed this. I remember
Dave Winer would write about it,
you know, Dave and I, we
invented podcasting together.
But when it comes to the debt
ceiling, he's like, this is
where America is our full faith
and credit. I mean, of course,
we have to we have to print more
money, we have to borrow more
money. And I've never understood
that, that that it's like it's
embedded in people's brains. We
all know, what are you talking
about? That's just crazy talk.
We've we've always done that.
200 years. You heard the
President say it, and believe it
or not a economist of the of the
country, Nobel Peace Prize,
Nobel economic Prize winning
economist Paul Krugman, on May
3, says, again, minting a $1
trillion coin to prevent a debt
ceiling crisis is possible would
not be inflationary. How I mean,
is this. Am I crazy? I mean,
we've just we've heard this for
so many years. Though a trillion
dollar it could it be? It has to
be platinum. Best to be
platinum. It wouldn't wait
before
John C Dvorak: you go off and
off on this. You didn't have the
Trump are you talking about
Trump and the rape?
Adam Curry: Oh, well, I have I
have another Biden thing from
Stephanie. Rule two, I have
trumping the rape, which I would
trump in the rape. Is that a
show? Is that a show titled
Trump in the rape? No.
John C Dvorak: Rape would be
nice in the title. All right. I
just want to play these two
clips. One is just Trump. He
wants to change the venue for
the rape trial, or DOJ This is
no this isn't the Wright
brothers. The other trial bus,
you know, it's just a harassment
trial. This is the one for him
and his election fraud.
Unknown: And other news The
Trump legal team is reportedly
trying to move the former
president's criminal case from
New York City to a federal court
and if successful, they could
mean a more favorable outcome
for Trump. Shifting to federal
court could give Trump an
advantage because it would
expand the possible jury pool
outside of Manhattan where more
voters favored President Biden
and Democrats. A federal judge
would have to approve their
request. The 45th President
entered a not guilty plea to 34
felony counts of falsifying
business records. It's in
connection to payments that his
campaign made during the 2016
election to silence allegations
about an affair. Trump has
denied having an affair and also
denied any wrongdoing in the
case.
Adam Curry: It's quite a
stretch. The way they explain
what that trial is about it's
John C Dvorak: quite as Yeah, it
is kind of a stretch but but it
brought me to this old supercut
supercar this is this pretty
much the same kind of thing that
happened to John it may what
happened on air was it was right
to John Edwards case where he
actually not only had an affair
with a woman that he brought
bought off with campaign funds.
But she had a kid she had a
child by him and it was like, a
little more, more sleazy. I
think Trump went through But
Leslie but the mainstream media
meanwhile, doesn't have this
didn't have the same kind of
fire. We got Trump now he's
going to jail. Jails again.
Let's listen to how they treated
the John Edwards the same
mainstream media people with the
exception of a few got axed. In
the meantime, there are back in
the day
Unknown: growing questions
tonight over whether the
government overreached and its
indictment of former
presidential candidate John
Edwards Edwards is accused of
using campaign funds to hide an
extramarital affair.
There are growing questions over
the indictment a former
presidential candidate John
Edwards for allegedly using
campaign funds to hide an
affair. Did the government
overreach
This looks like one of those
things you read about in third
world countries or India
somewhere in Pakistan? When they
get somebody's been out of
office a couple of years get
them while they're down hit it
with some incredible charge with
campaign funding that nobody's
ever heard of before and put
them away for a while. It just
looks like revenge.
Adam Curry: Should we remind
everybody John Edwards was a
Democrat I think this you kind
of missed Oh, yes. John
John C Dvorak: Edwards was a
Democrat. Hello. Right. Right in
the setup there that is the main
thing to note that's the main
difference
Unknown: credible charge with
campaign funding that nobody's
ever heard of before and put
them away for a while. It just
looks like revenge against the
party. against somebody lost an
election,
even if most of the facts prove
true, there already is
controversy over whether it all
amounts to a federal crime
critics
blast the government's case
against the former presidential
candidate. Why they say what he
did may not have been against
the law today.
So I guess the question is, is
is CAD or criminal? I
mean, there are people who are
saying that this indictment is
very questionable. A Washington
Post editorial said it is
troubling that the Justice
Department would choose to
devote its scarce resources to
pursuing this questionable case.
Even some of those with no love
for AdWords are scratching their
heads over the charges.
Even some who find Edwards
behavior despicable question,
the strength of this case, leave
him alone.
I mean, why waste our effort on
that? What
are your what's your political
view? Do you think it's politics
and as prosecute? Was it just a
Republican US Attorney going
after this guy sticking around
to do the dirty work for the
Adam Curry: arts? Yeah, yeah.
Well, the difference is clear.
It was a Democrat versus a
John C Dvorak: Republican. But
of course, it was just to be
noted, It should be noted,
Adam Curry: I want to go back to
the trillion dollar coin for a
second because this is all part
of what is supposed to take down
Joe Biden. And Krugman who says
and he tweeted this, so you
know, is he's serious, quote,
the Fed would surely sterilize
any impact on the monetary base
by selling off some of its huge
portfolio of US debt, suggesting
the Fed would likely sell $1
trillion worth of government
bonds. In fact, he says, it's
more likely that the Federal
Reserve, the government would
issue premium bonds to avoid
default, then mint the $1
trillion coin, but he says the
trillion dollar coin would not
be inflated, it would not be
inflationary. And and he says
that the Fed Chairman probably
wouldn't accept it. I mean,
would you have some dude came up
and said, Hey, I got a trillion
dollar platinum could be wanted.
I don't think I'd accepted
either.
John C Dvorak: Somebody gave me
a trillion dollars worth of
platinum. No. Yeah, right. I
think is it 1200 bucks. I'm not
sure what it is announced. But
900 at 1200. That means,
Adam Curry: meanwhile, we just
have bank after bank going out
of business. This is kind of
fun. Now that works. Alright,
back to taking the take down of
President Joe Biden was
Stephanie rule, who is also a
finance Insider. The boys at the
trading floor loved her.
Unknown: He was officially
announced you're running for
reelection. And in your first
video, you feature vice
president Harris 10 times when
Obama was in that position? He
didn't mention you, sir. What
are you trying to tell us?
Adam Curry: Wow, what's the what
would the SIR business Stephanie
was pretty rude? Or what is she
trying to be? As this like I
John C Dvorak: was, I thought
that was a very rude way of
asking that question. In fact,
Adam Curry: I have a feeling
that these questions were
inserted later. You know how
they do an over the shoulder,
but
John C Dvorak: I don't believe
it. Now. They can't you you
think that's that's chicken
shit. Stephanie rule
Unknown: when Obama was in that
position? He didn't mention you,
sir. Sir. What are you trying to
tell us? Well,
Adam Curry: did you just laugh
at him? She laughed in his face.
Unknown: What are you trying to
tell us? Well,
Adam Curry: whether that was
edited or not, that's a lot. Now
that she laughed at him.
Unknown: What are you trying to?
Well, the President did well,
and I became very good friends.
I we just have a slightly
different style of how we do
things, as you recall. So every
major initiative President Obama
had, I was the last guy in the
room, deciding that with him
giving him any advice on what we
should do. And he's committed to
help in any way can this time
out? Whoa. But look, I just
think the Vice President Harris
hasn't gotten the credit she
deserves. She's an attorney in
the state of California. She has
been a United States Senator,
she is really very, very good.
And with everything going on,
she hasn't gotten the attention
she deserves.
Adam Curry: Well, she's getting
it now. Because she's in charge
of the AI. Danger, danger,
danger AI is going to take over
the world it's going to steal
your job. But luckily, Kamala
Harris, Vice President to the
rescue,
Unknown: the White House is now
signaling its support for some
rules and regulations
surrounding the launch, if you
will of artificial intelligence
as the new technology begins to
disrupt a number of industries
with some experts warning can
end up wreaking havoc on
society, if not properly
constrained, by administration
hosted a meeting today with a
number of big tech executives to
discuss the risks posed by AI
while also discussing potential
safeguards. And a statement the
vice president Kamala Harris,
who took part in the meeting
warned that AI has the quote,
potential to dramatically
increase threats to safety and
security, infringe on civil
rights and privacy and erode
public trust and faith.
democracy civil rights Exactly.
uplifting. Wait, wait,
Adam Curry: wait. Let's see.
Let's see those dangers again,
write them down. We want to make
sure that this doesn't happen
John C Dvorak: is like bull
crap. I mean, how how does it
have to do with any of this? So
I know I know what's going on
here. Hold
Unknown: on the statement, the
Vice President Kamala Harris,
who took part in the meeting
warned that AI has the glory
attention.
Adam Curry: Did she take part in
she lead the meeting, and I
think that that's a slam right
there from NBC. She led the
meeting Chuck
Unknown: statement, the Vice
President Kamala Harris, who
took part in the meeting warned
that AI has the potential to
dramatically increase threats to
safety and security and fringe
on civil rights and privacy and
erode public trust and faith in
democracy. Faith exactly
uplifting faith in democracy.
Today's meeting comes days after
the so called godfather of AI
says he left Google to more
freely speak out about the
dangers that technology can
pose.
Adam Curry: Alright, so a couple
things. This is the oldest trick
in the book. This is now
remember, our general thesis is
the ad market has gone
incredibly soft. The big tech
companies had staffed up during
COVID they tick tock caveman
started to threaten everybody's
business certainly met us
business and even Google's we
know fact that Google from
Google's own internal research
one out of two people search for
things on Tik Tok before they
search on Google Tik Tok has
entered the search ad market
place. And what do you do when
your notice who wasn't at the
table? Tik Tok wasn't at the
table bytedance wasn't at the
table that I'm aware of. You
know, all you do is you go you
go to the you go to the
government you say look, we got
a new thing here. This is the
new new thing. It's the hot
thing everybody wants it. AI is
what can we can call ai ai is is
the new blockchain. Yeah, that's
it. AI is the new blockchain
blockchain blockchain. Do we
remember blockchain horror
John C Dvorak: horror was an I
used to come at during the
heyday of blockchain. Now, these
these moribund companies would
come up and all of a sudden
introduced we're gonna have
blockchain they just say the
word and the stock would go up
five point riot was famous. Now
it's the same thing with AI, the
stock goes right up.
Adam Curry: Yep. So what do you
what do you want to do is you
want to make sure that and this
is why we had this letter signed
the open letter by Elon Musk,
who as you notice has no AI
play, he doesn't have a play. So
that was all ordered, slow down,
but slow down by six, six
months, at least. So by can
catch up with my AI play. So
it's the new blockchain and then
the getting ahead of the game
this time. This is we need a new
or expanded section 230
Something that new entrants into
the AI space cannot compete with
because they won't have the
money. This is the old that's
why it's communist job. We all
know what the idea is here.
They're all there in DC, not for
this dumb meeting, that they're
at every one every senator and
Congressman's door. I'm talking
about, you know, what kind of
legislation can we put in place
of no other people can get into
our coveted AI space? By gotta
go do the stupid meeting with
the Vice President for a minute
photo op. That's all they of
course, they want regulation.
They love it. They want the
regulation so they can own the
space. And that just does.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, absolutely.
This is the general no agenda
thesis how you
Adam Curry: do it. Now you heard
in that report. And we discussed
this on the last show that the
godfather of AI that he had left
Google so he could speak freely
about it. Because I don't know
if Google like some kind of
Gulag where you can't talk. Like
when you work there. It's like,
oh, you can't discuss anything.
What
John C Dvorak: we should
mention. If all this is true,
they would have had him sign an
NDA upon his resignation for a
pot of money. And he wouldn't be
talking at all. So he's out
there talking because he's
allowed to talk or they move on
him to talk or something
Adam Curry: on tables or talk
may be the right one. And the
big get was for PBS. PBS News
Hour, completely independent.
They have the get and we know
the guy's name now. He has three
names, like any criminal, Jeff
Bennett, Jeffrey Hilton Hinton,
Jeff Bennett. No, it can't be
it. Geoffrey Hinton I don't even
know the guy's name. Let's
listen to him.
Unknown: This has been a week
where concerns over the rapidly
expanding use of artificial
intelligence and I think
Adam Curry: the general Jeff
Bennett is the PBS guy Geoffrey
Hinton, Geoffrey Hinton, this AI
guy, I've misread my own titles
Unknown: resonated loudly in
Washington and around the world
Adam Curry: row resonated
loudly. It was it was the was
the the resignation heard around
the world,
Unknown: Vice President Carter
the guy.
Adam Curry: Let's do that,
again,
Unknown: resonated loudly in
Washington and around the world.
Vice President Kamala Harris met
yesterday with top executives
from companies leading in AI
development my Microsoft Google
Open AI and anthropic the
anthropic, as President
discussed some of the growing
risks and told the companies
they had a, quote, moral
obligation to develop AI safely.
That meeting came just days
after one of the leading voices
in the field of AI. Dr. Geoffrey
Hinton, announced he was
quitting Google over his worries
about the future of AI, and what
it could eventually lead to
unchecked. We're going to hear
about some of those concerns now
with Dr. Geoffrey Hinton, who
joins me from London.
Adam Curry: See us escape to
London doing in London is with
the coronation, of course, time
to party down
Unknown: what are those risks?
As you see it,
there are quite a few different
risks. There's the risk of
producing a lot of fake news so
nobody knows what's true
anymore.
Adam Curry: And we need AI for
that. We need
John C Dvorak: AI for that
Macedonia did the job just fine.
Yeah. How
Adam Curry: about the troll
farms? They were great. We don't
know farm need AI? May be
cheaper, but okay.
John C Dvorak: Is it even
cheaper
Unknown: to have encouraging
polarization? By getting people
to click on things that make
them indignant?
John C Dvorak: What do you mean?
What you mean, clickbait me
like, Hey, I can't do clickbait
we do clickbait the American
creative types do clickbait and
we do
Adam Curry: it great. We do we
do. We do great clickbait,
Unknown: there's the risk of
putting people out of work, that
it should be that when we make
things more productive, when we
greatly increase productivity,
it helps everybody. But there's
let me
Adam Curry: stop that for a
second. i It is my belief that
no matter and I do not think AI
is any risk or any opportunity,
honestly, I mean, there's some
writing opportunities, okay.
It's a large language model. So
it can do writing stuff very
good. With as with every new
technology, stuff has to go
away. And then there's and jobs
go away. And then there's new
jobs for that new opportunities.
Isn't that what it always is?
It's not like us the way tech
works, the tea the PC revolution
did not lead everybody job was
created millions of jobs. Be
even the one that the automobile
all the buggy drivers. Oh, they
were going after that, what do
we get? We get cab drivers. And
then Uber came along, and then
everybody was a cab driver, it
only gets better, right? This is
patently not true. But there's
Unknown: the worry that it might
just help the rich. And then
there's the risk that I like to
John C Dvorak: help the rich
help the rich, brother,
communist.
Unknown: But there's the worry
that it might just help the
rich. And then there's the risk
that I want to talk about.
John C Dvorak: We interrupt
these fictitious clips in much.
Yeah, it's my worry. Yes. That
this will help the rich. Yeah.
Why is he worried about it
helping the rich he did to do? I
would have originally to help
and Jugaad let's don't let them
get helped by AI is helping the
rich somehow you call that he's
sanity? He's a
Adam Curry: commie? You called
it? He if you left Google as the
godfather of AI, do you not have
any stock? Any options? Are you
not rich, but hope he was maybe
that's why he left
John C Dvorak: or maybe the
whole thing is a scam these guys
work there. It should
Unknown: be that when we make
things more productive, when we
greatly increase productivity,
it helps everybody. But there's
the worry that it might just
help the rich. And then there's
the risk that I want to talk
about many other people talking
about those other risks,
including risks of bias and
discrimination. So I want to
talk about a different risk,
which is the risk of super
intelligent AI, taking over
control from people.
Adam Curry: Okay, last clip,
let's hear about this.
Unknown: Is there any turning
back when you say that there
will come a time when AI is more
intelligent than us? Is there
any coming back from that?
I don't know. We're entering a
time of great uncertainty where
we're dealing with kinds of
things we've never dealt with
before. It's as if aliens have
landed. But we didn't really
take it in because they speak
good English.
How should we think differently
than about artificial
intelligence,
we should realize that we're
probably going to get things
more intelligent than us quite
soon. And they will be
wonderful. There'll be able to
do all sorts of things very
easily that we find very
difficult. So there's huge
positive potential in these
things. But of course, there's
also huge negative
possibilities. And I think we
should put more or less equal
resources into developing AI to
make it much more powerful, and
into figuring out how to keep it
under control and how to
minimize bad side effects of it.
Adam Curry: Congratulations on
that great get PBS news hour.
John C Dvorak: Do you understand
what he told me? Absolutely. No,
of
Adam Curry: course is nothing
because the guy is a dope. And
what was his biggest invention?
How do you How can you be the
godfather of AI? What did you
do? I know what I did for
podcasting. Why In fact, I'm
called the godfather of
podcasting. I saw RSS said, hey,
put an attachment in there and I
said no and I can say it in one
in one paragraph. Yeah, you
John C Dvorak: can't because
you're the guy that did it.
Right. So
Adam Curry: what this guy do and
by the well, you know
John C Dvorak: what? You know,
what do I have to ask you, you
know what you're supposed to
work.
Adam Curry: Try it again.
John C Dvorak: Hey, guess what?
Let's look him up in the
Wikipedia and see exactly what
he did was named Jack Kirby.
Adam Curry: Jeffery Kirby
Jeffrey with a GE o Freo de GGO.
Geoffrey Hinton Hinton Hinton
Here we go. Jeffers,
John C Dvorak: look him up.
Hinton okay. This is the way we
do it on this show because you
were gas bags as it is. That's
right. Okay. 76. He's a British
and
Adam Curry: British Canadian,
British Canadian.
John C Dvorak: He worked on
neural nets, which is not AI.
Okay is beside the point.
Adam Curry: Google Brain. Google
Brain was Google
John C Dvorak: Brain. And
Adam Curry: that was that was
their AI that was that was
Sergey Brin. That was what Musk
said Sergey Brin stole everybody
to work on Google Brain. Google
Brain didn't win any chess match
that was deep blue.
John C Dvorak: So hidden,
received the 2018 Turing Award,
which is a big deal, who is the
ASHA Bengio and Yan Laocoon. for
their work on deep learning,
they are sometimes referred to
as the godfathers of AI in 2018.
Ai beams told trend began in the
80s. Do he but he popularized
the back propagation algorithm,
or training multi layer neural
nets, which again, that's
question
Adam Curry: that's PageRank,
isn't it?
John C Dvorak: what back
propagation is back propagation
Adam Curry: is part of an
algorithm that is
John C Dvorak: a widely used
algorithm for training feed
forward artificial neural nets
or other parameterised networks
with differentiate the nodes.
That's an official hold on we
read the whole thing.
Adam Curry: And open it he's a
mathematician he is dad was a
mathematician. He's a math guy
and a math guy math dude. All
right. Okay, well, impressive.
What is on it? He has a
homepage, which is homepage of
Oh my god. It always missing
he's old
John C Dvorak: enough to be the
father of something. Yeah.
Adam Curry: His homepage. It
looks like it should have Blink
tags. What are those? I
generated it with Emacs. That's
in fact, when we take a look at
he better he built this with
Emacs.
John C Dvorak: Is this his
website in Toronto? Eds? Yes.
Oh, that's probably the ad
they'll give Toronto probably
put this together. Looks like
this college website.
Adam Curry: Looks like something
he would have done himself with
Emacs. Terrible. Yes. With list.
Alright, let's get off of that
trigger. ike.org/na.
John C Dvorak: There you go. So
Lisp,
Adam Curry: I have one more
candidates who's running for
president. And after we play
this clip, it will be guaranteed
he will never ever be president
I fear for his life. In fact,
John C Dvorak: you Kennedy Yeah.
Yeah, he did. But they won't get
close enough that they have to
do anything about it.
Adam Curry: Well, he opened up
about a bio weaponry and this is
from his book, but I've never
heard it told this concisely.
It's important to think the
American people, maybe the
people of the world need to hear
this. So you understand exactly
where COVID came from. So
Unknown: we went to war, we pass
the Patriot Act, and immediately
started giving $2 billion a year
to bio weapons development. The
Pentagon didn't want to do it
because it was nervous about the
legality, because it was a death
penalty to violate the Geneva
Convention. Oh, you would have
been committing a you know, a
war crime. Even if somebody told
you it was okay. It wasn't. And
so they funneled it through
Teatre and DARPA, They funneled
all of that money.
Adam Curry: Did you ask
something? No.
Unknown: Hang on. And so they
funneled it through Teatre and
DARPA, They funneled all that
money. And I age to Nia ID which
became the primary spear tip of
bio weapons development. So Tony
Fauci became the bio weapons are
in 2001. Is budget went up by
$2.2 billion. He was personally
given a 68% raise from the
military. That's why he was the
highest paid individual in the
federal government. Because he
was getting this 68% Bonus every
year from the military. But it
meant that he could not stop.
And the thing the military
wanted was getting a function
studies where they could take
wild viruses and turn them into
bio weapons. And bio weapons
development always includes
vaccine development. Because
unlike chemical weapons, with
bio weapons, there's always
blowback is called the boomerang
effect. If you give your enemy
bubonic plague, your guy's gonna
get it first two are gonna get
it quickly. So the only way you
can deploy a bio weapons if you
have already developed a
vaccine, so the race is to
develop a vaccine simultaneously
via weapons, and then you can
deploy the bio weapons and your
enemy will take a couple of
years to develop the vaccine.
And you can inoculate all of
your team. So in 2014, three of
Tony Fauci these bugs escaped
from federal labs. And they
their escapes were public. And
it caused a huge brouhaha. There
were Senate hearings, and people
were immensely upset. And, and
300, scientists, wrote letter
wrote a petition to President
Obama saying you have to shut
down Tony Fauci. He's gonna
cause a global pandemic. When
Obama declared a moratorium and
to hold Fauci or to Fauci to
shut down the ATM studies he was
doing. As I show in my book, he
didn't do it. He instead took
that science. And he moved it
offshore to the Wuhan lab and to
the Ukraine. And when he did
that, he was not the only one
who did it. Tony Fauci spent
about $29 million on gain of
function science in Wuhan. But
the CIA spent over $100 million.
And the military spend about
that much to about 64 million.
And they, the CIA funneled the
money, most of it through USA
ID. But they also the CIA, as we
now know, was also running this
organization called the Eco
Health Alliance. Which Fauci was
funneling his money through, it
was like a laundromat where they
funneled federal monies so that
it was so that their
fingerprints would not be would
not be visible on them.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's not going
to be precedent. Wow.
John C Dvorak: So yeah,
believable. I do have a I think
this is from 2008.
Adam Curry: I don't know when
there's not room. I have no
idea.
John C Dvorak: No, not not. No.
I've seen it. I think I have oh,
you're what I had.
Adam Curry: Okay. Hello, hello.
Who's calling?
John C Dvorak: You know who? I
listen to Mark Levin the other
day, he's always going Hello.
May does that
Adam Curry: what this you know,
you're one of the few people who
still has an am radio. I do.
I've been in your
John C Dvorak: car. I do have an
FM radio in the car too, you
know. But here what's
interesting is, I have this clip
coming up as dynamite. But the
am radio quality and the newer
cars, comparatives, I have an
old Lexus, and it's just
deteriorated on purpose. Now, as
I take my Lexus into have it
fixed, and I get a loaner. I get
a brand new one. Yeah, and drive
around and turn on the am radio.
It sounds like short wave from
the 20s.
Adam Curry: Well, the here's the
problem. Am radio is no longer
being put into cars, because
half the cars that people will
be buying will be electric. And
there's so much gear now in
these in these cars that you
can't get away from the
interference. Yeah. Just here
that you you cannot use and no
one wants to good effect can
only be done with these
temporary teeth, interestingly.
John C Dvorak: Alright, well,
anyway, so here's Fauci. I think
this is in 2008. Yes, I see
where he's slyly working on his
scheme that was just outlined by
Kennedy, his scheme to get
around as gain of function
thing. This may have been later
or earlier, but this was at some
point where he had to, he knew
the gain of function was yet was
under pressure. And this is and
he was slyly working, working
out his scheme. And here he is.
Unknown: Anyway, so let me just
go on about NIH lifts, funding
pause on gain of function
research. So let me explain this
a little. Because whenever this
comes out, there's always the
pushing back and forth from the
press. So like NIH now is going
to do dangerous research. No
extra matter of fact is is
exactly the opposite. So a
framework has been now
established to guide funding
decisions on proposed research
that might be anticipated to
create, transfer or use enhanced
potential pandemic pathogens.
The program, everybody has to
have a neat little name to it.
This is called p3 SEO. So if you
hear about p3 SEO, its potential
pandemic preparedness, care and
oversight. Now, why is this
different from everything else
we've been doing? It's different
because remember the trouble we
used to get in when someone
would do an experiment, they
would submit it to a journal.
And just as it's getting ready
to go out, everybody would start
scrambling around. Should we be
publishing should it not? So we
decided to go upstream from that
and talk about decisions that
are made by government funded
remember, we have no control
over things that are not funded
by the government, but in
government funded activities to
guide the funding decision
before you actually do the
experiment. I don't think this
is going to be foolproof things
are gonna slip through that I
think this is a much better
approach than we've had before.
Adam Curry: That's the goal in
Westminster. There was Tony
Fauci with his cane and his
hooded, ghoulish outfit.
John C Dvorak: It's
unbelievable. And it's been
going on forever. It's just
Kennedy points out. Sorry, been
going on forever, as Kennedy
points out. And we can't seem to
put a stop to it in fact, and if
it was if it's punishable by
death, hey, let's find some
people up who's the who's behind
all this where's the punishable
by death? Take places like, you
know, kind of saber rattling
about this sort of thing and
we're just doing it openly.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well,
John C Dvorak: who's gonna you
know, foul punishable by who's
who's gonna punish anybody by
death?
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Collins
is, you know, there are probably
buying homes in Argentina. And
you're telling me that that
Lexus gives you a loaner car?
Yeah. When you bring that when
you bring that Junker in, they
say, Oh, hi, Mr. Dvorak. Boy,
nice to see this 20 year old
vehicle again, here's a loaner
vehicle. Really? Yeah.
John C Dvorak: You just You just
when you call in to get your
appointment, you say I need a
loaner. And they
Adam Curry: give you a new
Lexus. Yeah. Wow, well, that's
good service.
John C Dvorak: Lexus per Lexus
is the best I mean, that way,
you know, and my third
Adam Curry: Well, since we're
talking about Big Pharma in a
way and obviously the Wuhan
whatever this this if it was
real at all, whatever this this,
this COVID was they didn't have
the vaccine ready that's for
sure. That whole thing is that
what a huge scam let's not let's
not let that happen to us again.
John C Dvorak: This is the
latest out of the knows what
they're developing.
Adam Curry: Here's the latest
out of Big Pharma land crushing
entire industries.
Unknown: After 40 years of
helping people to shed pounds
Jenny Craig is shutting its
entire workforce and going out
of business. It's closing all of
its nearly 500 Weight Loss
centers in the US and Canada and
canceling all subscriptions,
coaching sessions, food orders
and sales. Weight Loss services
like Jenny Craig have been
struggling to keep up with
competition from prescription
drugs like ozempic
John C Dvorak: buy em There you
go to play for ozempic Yeah, but
Adam Curry: I believe it and
remember Oprah's weightwatchers
also known as WW because now
they rebranded they bought the
tele health company to
telemedicine company that can
prescribe this stuff right on
the app right over the phone.
John C Dvorak: Yes, gusting
Adam Curry: yeah well. Wait
until that new and the Eli Lilly
one gets on the market and
people start using it. You're
gonna see people just withering
away right before your eyes
don't look great as their hair
falls flat Olympic face this is
not an outstanding product
people please do not use this. I
mean I can't give medical advice
but I don't think it's an
outstanding product seems like
something very oh don't even be
even singing it is like just bad
bad bad bad bad. All right, now
one more thing we only have one
break today because your your
excellent Cinco Demayo on Cinco
de acepto
John C Dvorak: No, that wasn't
it at all. There was bad things
a miss.
Adam Curry: Have you sent the
newsletter out 20 times. Okay,
twice. What happened?
John C Dvorak: The newsletter
seemed that I think there's a
MailChimp they did something
wrong. I got an I did a second
sin because First and didn't
trigger a posting on Twitter,
which is supposed to do.
Adam Curry: Oh, they the algo
got got algo the API API API
access because they don't want
John C Dvorak: to pay happened.
Yeah, they got down, right. So
down ranked. And so I looked at
the number of the number of
opens, it was way off at about
730. So something's amiss. So I
sent a newsletter out a second
time. And I got some feedback.
Hey, and
Adam Curry: was that the
feedback? One drunk guy at one
John C Dvorak: get posted
either. So you know, either male
chimps gotta get its act
together. And if they can, they
can afford it. I mean, it's not
as though it's a company at
starving to death.
Adam Curry: Well, you don't
know. I mean, the all these
companies did you get substack
it's so desperate, they're
crowdfunding their next
investment round. I mean, this
is bad stuff is bad. And I
thought that I for sure, I
thought substack was wildly
profitable. They're just not how
could How can you get people
paying left and right, it must
be I'm telling you right now. It
must be because they have to
shell out at least 150 grand and
this is 2008 prices. It was 100
or 150 grand a month to get
whitelisted by Google and
outlook and a couple other you
know there's there's trusted
companies that this is one of
the biggest scams in Silicon
Valley is emails to be trusted
to get through and I bet you
they just can't they just can't
afford it anymore. And I do not
think that MailChimp has that
kind of money either it's bad
out there email is I have to
sadly say email is broken for
Good is broken for good. We
should just give it up to me Why
don't you should just
John C Dvorak: make calling
everybody personally send me a
phone number you can
Adam Curry: seriously it's
broken but even that I spoke to
the CEO start nine he familiar
start nine now start nine as a
company and they are building
it's like Umbro only they're
taking it very, very seriously.
Self hosting at home. And they
they've got their selling
hardware, you can you can
download there, they built an
operating system. So not a bunch
of Dockers connected to each
other, but an actual operating
system that you could even get
it on purism hardware, which is
you know, the open source
hardware that was built, you
know, supposedly with no spy
things in there, which is also
quite popular amongst the the
OTG crowd and they're they're
replicating all these services
you know, next cloud for your
for your Google stuff, you know,
you can host your own blog with
ghosts, they have clear net so
it'll be you know, actually on
your available on an IP address,
you know, with with SSL, so it'd
be you can really, the idea is
to supplant big tech and do it
all at home, the one thing they
just gave up on was email, we
can never make it work because
even if we can set it all up,
and you can still use a separate
SMTP provider, but we still
can't guarantee your email will
arrive because big tech has just
completely screwed up in Google
in particular. I've screwed that
up I've just made sure No forget
about it. We control that we own
it. And they do. Because most
people are so stupid. They all
fell for the Gmail thing. Oh,
it's free look Gmail is great.
So email is broken forever. It's
too bad. It was kind of a cool
protocol. But I think you should
go back and publish it on RSS
John the newsletter yeah
John C Dvorak: yeah. Yeah, so
yeah, he
Adam Curry: said I might as well
do my review right now of of the
light phone.
John C Dvorak: Oh, yes. You
finally got your your light to
phone I did. OTG going routine.
Everybody. I've always once
again, kind of guy OTG going Oh
no. Dng guy the guy. Yeah.
Adam Curry: OTG off the grid
haven't been that way for a
while decided to give it another
try. Now that pretty much
everything I use in my life is
available on a computer and I
find myself checking my phone
too much even though I have a
graphene OS. So I suppose not
too much spyware, and I splurt
it in a drawer. Well, you know,
but for when I'm driving, I
don't want to take it with me.
When I go out to dinner with my
wife I don't want to take it
would be for a number of
reasons. One is I don't want to
be looking at my Phone. And I
only want someone to be able to
reach me. Like if you need to
reach me, you can send me a text
message or call me. And that's
pretty much all I need. But the
light phone.
John C Dvorak: Why do you need
to be reached?
Adam Curry: While I'm an
important person? I mean, what
if the podcast index.org goes
down? Yeah, hmm. What if what if
you need to say the website has
been updated to sell? You know,
one of those
John C Dvorak: comic strip
blogger? Okay, but yeah, I
Adam Curry: do get those emails
from you. Right?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but it
doesn't mean you have to act
instantly. Well, it's not a
surgeon on call.
Adam Curry: Well, maybe, maybe
have other hobbies that you
don't know about? I need to be
on call. But okay. Do you want
me to do the segment? I just
want to be a dick. I mean, you
tell me I doubt a guy would like
both. Okay, let me do the
segment and be a dick with
little little increments not
like let me get started at
least. You want to clip five
gold? Clip $599 The light
phone.com
John C Dvorak: Isn't that a
little steep?
Adam Curry: Um, I think it's
kind of on par with a with a if
you bought a an older model of
Android phone on Amazon. New in
the box to that. It's okay. It
is in fact a very light version
of Android I believe that runs
it. The thing John, you will you
actually I may have to send this
for as a Christmas gift for you.
You will love this phone.
Because it is the size is it's
smaller than a cigarette box in
dimension of course, much
thinner, obviously. So it's all
remember the old there was a
Nokia phone but a smallest phone
in the world way back in the
day, but fit right in the palm
of your hand. You remember that?
I
John C Dvorak: thought it was
Motorola but yes moto small
phones that we had been
manufactured in the past very
small. So it's
Adam Curry: kind of like that.
And it has a an E Ink screen. So
it doesn't have you know, it's
like a Kindle basically. And the
only thing that you can do on it
which is more than I expected to
be honest. Is a phone and
imported my contacts perfectly
as a calendar imported and syncs
with with my my current calendar
system. It'll work with
anything, including next cloud.
It has an alarm, which you can
set alarms, that's the BBB. for
that. It has notes. I like to
notes because notes you can
write them or you can record
them. I always like doing that
like a dictaphone. I have not
tried it yourself. Yes, exactly.
I have not tried it yet, but it
has directions of the called
directions in it. So it does
have some kind of now, no, no go
of navigation. Which is amazing.
It has a podcast player, which
is surprisingly easy. I know you
can't update anything on the
phone. You have to do it on the
on the website on their
dashboard to add podcast. But it
works it will do Bluetooth with
your headset. It has a
calculator not unimportant. And
finally it has a hotspot. So you
could bring your laptop if you
really needed access and you
didn't have it you could turn
into a hotspot. It is a
wonderful, I mean a wonderful
little thing. And it has a
QWERTY keyboard if you want if
you need to reply back to a
text, you can also I don't know
what service is providing this
we can also do voice to text. It
doesn't sound very OTG to me.
But I have to say John I am this
is I've only had it for a day it
arrived yesterday. I'm loving
going out with the dog. There's
nothing very lightest I almost
feel it in my pocket. I can
listen to my favorite podcast,
which is d h unplugged. Of
course. It also has a music
player, but I don't listen to
music on anything on my phone. I
don't care too much about it.
And that's it. And that's that's
all that it does. It doesn't do
images, it doesn't have a
camera. If someone sends you
text messages with an emoji the
emojis will show up. You cannot
send any text back with emojis.
And that's it. And I think this
is perfect. I think this is this
is what All kids should have.
And that's mainly why I reviewed
it. This is what your kid should
have. Your kid can do some stuff
that's educational and good and
nothing else. And when they come
home, they can do stuff on the
computer. I'm very impressed by
this device. I don't know about
the battery life yet. We'll see.
I mean that's a mistake. I've
had it I unplugged it today and
it's at 98% but haven't done
anything with it. The Lightroom
I think you I think you'll enjoy
it.
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna say you
like it so much. You're gonna
send it to me. No, I'm
Adam Curry: gonna I'm gonna buy
a new one for you.
John C Dvorak: I'll tell you
right now, not to bother now.
too much money.
Adam Curry: What do you mean?
It's too much? What would the
price point be? That's perfect
for you?
John C Dvorak: $99 I think it'd
be okay. Okay 40 Now it'd be
better
Adam Curry: so you'd rather have
your take your your your clunky
distracting android phone with
you when you leave the house.
John C Dvorak: I don't take the
phone with me when I leave the
house. Oh, well, I'm going to
Chicago on my take a phone
Adam Curry: when you drive
around. You don't take a phone
in case something. Oh,
John C Dvorak: I do not. I know
how to get around.
Adam Curry: Emergency what if?
What if you would like help?
I've fallen I can't get up.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, then
that hasn't happened. Okay,
Adam Curry: all right. You're
special. Everybody's special.
John C Dvorak: I'm like, this is
the way the world used to be.
Nobody went around in the 60s
and 70s with a phone worried to
death. I mean, some people
carried around a pager because
it was they felt so important
that they had to get BBB BBB Oh,
my wife got home I now I know my
wife got who cares?
Adam Curry: Yeah, I know. But
your wife lives in a different
state so yeah, you don't care
John C Dvorak: even so I'm just
saying I'm just saying there's
no right don't need a phone with
me 24/7 Is not I'm not a surgeon
on call.
Adam Curry: Do you not have a
little black book for your for
your babes? No, okay. Did you
use to at one point did you have
a little black book? Tell us
John C Dvorak: a little I would
be a red book.
Adam Curry: And this is why he's
the Buzzkill. Ladies and
gentlemen. And with that I'd
like to thank you for your
currency in the morning to you
the man who put the sea in the
great clickbait ladies and
gentlemen say hello to my friend
on the other end who never takes
the phone anywhere Mr. Jones
John C Dvorak: morning to you
Mr. Adam curry and we're gonna
succeed boots on the ground.
Feet near subs in the water. And
all the names and nights out
Adam Curry: in the morning to
the trolls and the Troll. Troll
room who do have Now we're
talking 2884 and even two hours
into the show that's not too bad
for a troll room count. Hello
trolls. The trolls hang out in
the troll room for one reason
one reason only to be counted
and then to leave when the best
stuff comes. That's the donation
segments where we'd had the
interviews we get clips of the
day. We also thank people we
talk about people maybe probably
talking about you when you leave
your trolls may say that means
how many how many left right
away? Oh, only Oh, interesting.
Threatening only only 10 left.
Afraid. Oh yeah, so you get bad
karma. And that's where I forgot
to mention that part. The trolls
are in the troll room, you can
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, we're
freeze peach.
Adam Curry: Yes freeze peach
indeed.
John C Dvorak: It's a device
that you mentioned it I do have
a clip I want to drop in Oh,
you're talking about podcasts
podcasts apps podcast is by
another what's wrong with these
podcasters Whoa. Okay your buddy
here this is a house ad on a I
Heart Radio produce podcast. And
the next thing you know there's
a plug for I Heart Radio. That
is a that is kind of a house had
a you know I don't know why at
the beginning somebody's
podcasts. I was listening to
somebody. Some of these podcasts
don't get started for five or
six minutes. What is it? What
are they started with ads? Yeah,
they do the latest thing in
these these bad No no in these
networks is to run two or three
or four ads before the podcast.
And then the guys introduction
takes forever. Your six minutes
in don't you just fast forward
like everybody else. Now I want
to hear these ads. Especially
this one from your old buddy, my
old buddy who? Bob Pitman's.
Adam Curry: Yeah, Bob pit knows
Never mind. He was on his way
out. In fact, I met Bob Pittman
once the weekend I got to New
York. And, and I got a call.
Yeah, Bob Pittman, who was the
president of MTV Networks. Just
before he left and Tom Freston
came in. Yeah, Bob wants to
invite you to go to John Cougar
Mellencamp. So we went in
Pitman's limo to see John Cougar
Mellencamp um, that was the only
encounter I had with Bob Pittman
John C Dvorak: was in a limo.
But remember those Pinkie
Adam Curry: remember the stretch
limos? Yeah. I'm Bob Pittman,
Chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia.
Looking for a master's guide to
the marketing world. from
decades of experience starting
with building MTV, I found it
comes down to two things, math
and magic. You'll hear unlikely
visionaries from the frontiers
of marketing share how they use
data, the math and creativity,
the magic to launch their
biggest, most impossible
sounding ideas. Listen to the
new season of math and magic
stories from the frontiers of
marketing on our very own
iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,
or wherever you get your podcast
by Bob Pittman. I should be on
his show. I'm a math and magic
guy. Did I launch a grand idea?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, sure. Gonna
show i Sounds boring to me. But
you there's nothing worse than a
marketing guy.
Adam Curry: Hey, he created MTV.
John C Dvorak: You heard here he
said.
Adam Curry: Well, well, he has
six minutes of ads and opening.
We don't do that we get right to
the show with our with our witty
banter. But you know, we have a
little opening and we're right
into your shed with drop you're
right in, which is quite jarring
for most people. And we don't
have ads. We don't want we don't
want to have Bob Pittman
advertised that would be
horrible. If you had to listen
to Bob. I mean, ball respect
wasn't a bob Pitman before we
started or whatever, whatever
how sad it would be. Why are
they running house ads? Are they
not making any money over there?
Hello. Hello, I heard radio.
Should you be out of business?
No, we run value for value. That
means time, talent, treasure,
whatever you want to give back
to us for the impeccable and
voluminous value we provide. We
gladly accept it. We do need the
treasure part. Little short
today. I'll be honest about it.
But before we do that, let's go
to our art credit. And thank the
artists for episode 1552 aptly
titled old trout. I don't think
we have to explain to everybody
why we titled it that. And would
you believe it? It's comic strip
blogger came in with a winning
art piece. And and check this
out. It wasn't even AI.
John C Dvorak: Is that what he
said?
Adam Curry: That's what he said.
He said he was he was surprised
that this one he was just
messing around with some ideas.
He took no AI critic but we when
we saw this art and let's this
is a a che an angry salt shaker.
Very cute piece. We both looked
at this and went. That's AI
that's against our rules and
regs. Well, I suppose
John C Dvorak: it's your rule,
not mine.
Adam Curry: True. And we said
no. We can't do that. And then
you said Come on. Let's do it.
Come on. Let's do it. You
John C Dvorak: were like I said,
Come on. Let's do I said we
violate our own rule over time.
Adam Curry: And we also thought
it would be fun for commerce or
Blogger to be able to drag on a
very good piece. But we thought
it would be fun for him to say I
got your AI and know that
John C Dvorak: the irony is not
AI. That's funny.
Adam Curry: Let's see now there
were a lot of submissions for
which we're always very
appreciative. You can follow
along at no agenda art
generator.com or get one of
those handy dandy new podcast
apps at podcast apps.com
John C Dvorak: A bunch of funny
old trout gags including the one
of the the old trout walking by
Josh but can hold or whatever
his name I can't pronounce his
last name kono. He did go on.
Oh, yeah. With a walker. It was.
Adam Curry: It was a little it
was okay. I've been you thought
I liked a lot. You liked it. I
liked the one where Camilla's
face was literally a trout face.
John C Dvorak: I thought that
was gross. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: know. I know. You
did a lot of trial. A lot of
trout jokes. And there were a
lot of shaker jokes too. A lot
of shaker jokes, but jokes are
work I should say. We both
looked at the no agenda
Gardner's bomb. That was a nice
piece by Nico sign but it was a
little small Nico, little small
the curry Dvorak was too small.
That's the main problem our name
has to be pretty big. This and
that and then you you
particularly like the writer
strike again, which was done in
the theme of Star Wars.
John C Dvorak: Yes, the Empire
Strikes Back it was
Adam Curry: all off for me. I
mean, the logo was great.
John C Dvorak: Well you hate
Star Wars Star Trek, all that
stuff. I
Adam Curry: don't hate out. I
gotta tell you something. So but
does not Star Wars but my buddy
Dave over at podcast index.org
He's a big Trekkie fan. And so
he goes to the Star Trek
convention as it came to
Birmingham, Alabama, and he had
signed up for for a selfie with
William Shatner. And, and some
of the crew members from I don't
know which Deep Space Nine I
don't know which one. It is
because he's really excited to
be here. And he was some of the
hobbies gotta get a selfie was
Shatner, I think he had to pay
like 120 bucks for it or
something. So you know, really?
Yeah. You know what he got? So
So basically, there's a stage
John C Dvorak: got to stand next
to a shattered noni No, no, no.
Adam Curry: Shatner sitting in
like on a box or a chair on
stage. And then there's Dave, on
the other side of a clear
plexiglass divider.
John C Dvorak: Why want to see
that picture.
Unknown: It's really sad.
Adam Curry: 20 bucks and
shattered just sitting there.
And the Plexiglas dividers open.
You have none of the sort of the
Trekkies get any cooties on him.
That as I've like, I've lost
respect for Shatner now. That's
just a money grab me with you.
You want to take a picture of
the pod father free, make a
slobber all over me. I'm no
douche. We go to your Meetup.
John C Dvorak: It's pretty bad.
Adam Curry: It's very bad. It's
just very disappointing. So we
looked at that
John C Dvorak: moment to see
that picture.
Adam Curry: I'll send it to you.
It's pretty messed up. What else
do we have? Now? The too many of
the egg. I thought the egg was
cool. You didn't like the egg?
John C Dvorak: No, I did like
the egg. But I didn't think it
was going to was show worthy.
It's just cute is cute, a cute
egg
Adam Curry: with kind of my
teeth. So my teeth look like now
John C Dvorak: it looks to me
like Brian Stelter to me. While
Adam Curry: you didn't mention
that, when we were looking at
it,
John C Dvorak: they'll nod and
see it again.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so I think
that was that was it. We really
appreciate the work that all the
artists do over at no agenda,
art generator.com They're doing
this live where they listen to
us live. And so really
phenomenal. How well they can do
that. of all of them. It's very
appreciated. And you can meet
all of the artists at no agenda
social.com They hang out there
to discuss it. They congratulate
themselves and each other. And
yeah, and
John C Dvorak: then they just
then they excoriated two of us
for not being done not liking
the right art. Yeah, the
Adam Curry: wrong you did it all
wrong, you horrible people. No
agenda art generator.com. And of
course, we want to thank the
people who bring us the
treasure, our executive and
Associate Executive producers
for episode 1553. And we kick it
off with Mark capenhurst. I
would say St. Petersburg,
Florida with a whopping very
nice did save the day, I would
say $1,033. That's an instant
donation then says in the
morning, Adam and John, I'd like
to thank you both for the
amygdala assist over the last
three years. Your deconstruction
helped me stand firm against my
previous company's mandates with
clear and concise reasoning.
Congratulations, man. That's a
tough one to do. It's not it was
not easy for a lot of people.
Not everybody could do that.
Please help me Sir Mark see of
the beach swamp? Can I get a
mangoes and ribeye at the round
table? I think we can do that
for you. No problem. And then he
says can I get a you're gonna
need a Bitcoin and a yak karma
for everybody and see y'all on
noster also, for anyone who was
realized our healthcare system
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many different companies that
are doing this now.
John C Dvorak: Isn't this what
health insurance used to be?
Adam Curry: Kind of? Yeah, I
mean, except for the Wii, she
has not been asked to pay
anything. I think actually, you
the money stays in your account.
I think it stays in your name.
And these guys actually put some
of it into Bitcoin, which I
think is it was interesting. So
part of your money grows as you
grow. At least that's the
concept. This idea of Christian
health ministries they do this
and you know, you can only get
invited through your pastor or
something like that. But yeah,
now this it, people are walking
away from from the week we had
to, we were like 2500 bucks a
month for the two of us, you
know, because we're older. And
we're not old enough to get all
the government goodies. You
signed word? Yeah, you sound you
sound flummoxed and
flabbergasted. That all hell is
gonna break loose and you're
gonna need a Bitcoin
Unknown: you've got karma
John C Dvorak: Baronet 1% of the
GTF Oh, in Dixie Washington
34567. He like it says your cash
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It's something I deceased in
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Unknown: I know a lot of people
want to send blankets or water
just send
John C Dvorak: your cash Yes, I
showed up money shop. Jesus.
That's a money shot kid. Money
shot
Unknown: you've got karma.
Adam Curry: Love that number
34567 And our favorite 33333 We
received from Scott Lamont or
Lemond or Lamar Lamar, Lemond
Somerset, Massachusetts, he says
1/3 downpayment on the helmet
than the night helmet. The next
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sword to follow eventually.
Thank you Scott. We appreciate
that.
John C Dvorak: Bobby brindle
horse in Mount Laurel New
Jersey. Three Three ITM boys.
Thank you Mimi for explaining
the vinegar book premise. I've
been waiting remember when 10 or
so years ago, they would play
commercials about pharma causing
boys to have breasts. WT C seven
won't go away. Bobby brindle
horse
Unknown: Jen
Adam Curry: Wimberly is a
general Wimberly. Do you think
GM normal sound looks like it
should be good to say Jen No,
Jen, Jen with a G 282 dot 28822
A two backwards and forwards.
Please accept this row of ducks
plus small boobs donation to two
to 22 plus 60.06. In honor of my
smokin hot boyfriend, Kyle TOEIC
Oh, Kyle, who would never who
would never hit me in the mouth
but did give me a gentle pimp
slap. Happy birthday from Jen
also with a G and please do you
do Schmidt?
Unknown: You've been de deuced
John C Dvorak: Andrew Helenius
in iron River, Wisconsin. In the
morning and thank you for your
courage. I have been wronged. I
donated a row of ducks for 1518
and John commented the following
If committed the following
offenses Oh, one that was not
credited for my dough. nation
except in the show notes.
Adam Curry: I don't know how
that happened
John C Dvorak: we got Adam here
is monitoring every word I say
yeah just caught me. One of the
men mentioned in my note for
hitting me in the mouth aka Joe
flock of Joe aka flower town.
flavor. Flavor town was referred
to as flav written you almost
did it wrong again. Yeah, but if
I didn't read it in the first
place how could I do it wrong
twice? Good point.
Adam Curry: What is that all
about? Hey, just because that
was a scam
John C Dvorak: to me I wasn't
credited but yet I mispronounced
this guy's name. That doesn't
make sense. Well, maybe
Adam Curry: because you
mispronounce his name. He says
he wasn't credited this seems
like a little live
John C Dvorak: rendition of I've
got answer was subpar. Wow, what
a complainer we didn't do any
live rendition
Adam Curry: I don't think so
either.
John C Dvorak: Then Adam to get
switch topics. Oh, then Adam had
the audacity to misgendered me
oh no I referring to me as a
she. What part of Andy with a
why makes you think I'm a woman?
Adam Curry: Maybe it was your
tone
John C Dvorak: anywho I'm a
fellow follower in Christ. So I
will turn the other cheek and
forgive you. Oh, yeah. Thank
you. It's a very forgiving note.
Please accept this row of decks
are being your best podcast in
the universe. And please give
the second best podcast in the
universe our big dumb mouth or
OBD M A shout out. I have no
affiliation with them just feel
they need more listeners. They
deserve it. No jingles no karma.
And let's John wants to give it
another try. I didn't do it in
the first place. I got ants by
Andy helenus Salinas. Halle Lena
Linus
Adam Curry: Linus Helenius
Helene you as
John C Dvorak: li ne us Helenius
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Adam Curry: karma good karma
karma Andy with a ye
John C Dvorak: Andy with why
Adam Curry: royal docks to tu tu
tu tu tu from dude named Ben
dude named Ben here. Here again
with a yearly row of ducks
towards knighthood which
according to my bookkeeping is
finally here, though I did use
double credits on show 1500 and
hit the knighthood mark then it
got lost in the mess I don't
blame you guys. I figured a real
credit was worth waiting for
please Knight me. Oh, this is
not this is not in the in Oh,
interesting. This is
interesting. How'd this happen?
This rare mistake from our new
back office please Knight me
server of the Ohio and crest I
got to write all this down. Can
you read this note for a sec? I
gotta know after I write all
this
John C Dvorak: again. I'm nearly
Rolodex towards night who was
according to my book give me to
finally get by blah blah. I
don't blame you guys. I figured
a real credit was worth waiting
for please snipe me as server of
the Ohio, Ohio and crest and I'd
love some goulash and sliver of
slivovitz was I think is that
fish isn't it? Sounds goulash
doesn't sound good. Now, at the
roundtable I'm wrapping up my
penultimate semester in college
and the show has been working
overtime to keep me sane and
informed Nice. Despite the
forces of woke ism at hand I
even hit a couple of people in
the mouth here. And that's
saying something on campus keep
up the fantastic work lads. I
look forward to the roundtable
and all his family onwards to
barony is no jingles but looking
for some graduation karma.
Adam Curry: You got that for
you.
Unknown: Thank you. You've got
karma and
Adam Curry: we've got the
roundtable lined up for you got
that sneaky fish you want it?
John C Dvorak: I've got the note
from anonymous that came in all
right, rocket. So anonymous
comes in from Parts Unknown.
$222 And he writes by my
glasses, Adam and John. I have
been listening since hearing
Adam on Megyn Kelly show
Adam Curry: oh there it is the
Megan Kelly dono a donor
John C Dvorak: here we go back
in 2021. That's right. This is
truly the best podcast not
Megan's but ours. And I
apologize for taking so long to
donate. Keep up the good work
anonymous.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm about to
reappear. Although, put it in
your calendar, May 31. Someone's
getting fired. Whenever I'm
booked on the Kelly she Megyn
Kelly show. It was fired last
time while Sharon Osbourne she
got fired when I was booked and
they bumped me for four hours to
have me on. And then it was
Tucker. Who by the way,
Kellyanne? What's her name? Not
Kellyanne Conway. No, no way.
No, no. Who's the who's the
you'd like her? The No, not
Kellyanne Conway.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I know the
other one. Kaylee. Kayleigh.
McEnaney Kaylee McEnany. And
then and she'll be
Adam Curry: she'll be in
Tucker's time slot this week.
Yeah, well, you knew that.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Or you knew
that it was a big deal. I think
it's not going to work no of
course with anybody in that
spot. She's She's too nice to be
you know, he's you know, even
though he's got a big smile and
he's always all you always got
that look, look a lot and he's
he is a mean guy. I mean, he's
there's a meanness to him that
that needs to be on that show.
You can't be a lightweight I
mean, when Oh, Riley had to show
is a mean prick. So this guy is
you know, he's kind of a mean
guy to is funny mean, but she
doesn't have a bone of meanness
in her. She
Adam Curry: really doesn't. She
really doesn't. Yeah, but I
mean, isn't it just for a week?
I don't think it's I don't think
it's
John C Dvorak: uh, but he made
it sound like she's gonna take
the spot. I did I make it sound
like that. I didn't know they
didn't do the trades. Oh, okay.
Adam Curry: The trades. You go
$200 from James Lawler who's an
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma sir
Jimmy James here. And a whole
bunch of hashtags. shows have
been amazing as of late the best
podcast in the universe. Oh, and
our next UI who we meet up as a
Saturday and I hear Adam may
make it J K. God bless. Thank
you for your courage. JK indeed.
No, I'm going to the goat I'm
going to finally go to the
Austin meetup again. In docs
backyard on Saturday rare
parents rare appearance
everybody join us there Doc's
back.
John C Dvorak: If you're going
to give any donations to the
show, put them in an envelope
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Adam Curry: a note with yes with
a note with a note with a note
please. And the final Associate
Executive Producer to under
dollars is Roderick prince from
Scottsdale Arizona, no notes so
he gets a coveted double up
donation karma. Karma. I'll
prepare the roundtable John will
take us through the 50s
John C Dvorak: and on we go with
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160 16 as some sort of boom man
thing, not sure what it means
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Adam Curry: dumb.
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Florida is $100 He needs a D
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Unknown: You've been D deuced.
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she needs a de douching. You've
been de deuced and her brother,
you Julio or Julio Julio? Call
it needs a call out as a
douchebag.
Adam Curry: Close call.
John C Dvorak: Daniel Rodriguez
in Doral, Florida 7175. Michael
de la rosiere in Maryville tech
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Ohio, 55 One d3. Now these are
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Adam Curry: Andrew needs to do
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Unknown: you been D deuced?
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petitive 523 This these came my
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Adam Curry: and thank you again
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Executive producers, who we read
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Adam Curry: I wanted to thank
Secret Agent Paul, we were
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Open up Mr. Dvorak words do
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Jews and one of my favorites
this one
I mean, that guy's got chops. I
mean that's
John C Dvorak: and then yeah,
but yeah, we need more stuff
from him.
Adam Curry: And I don't and I
thought that he had done this
next one which I will pull out
of the closet because we talked
about her but he did not I don't
know who does this one
John C Dvorak: such a good one.
What is that, Kaylee? Yeah, yes,
the Kaylee jingle? Yeah, it's
the Kaylee jingle goes on
forever. She's got to show now
so
Adam Curry: they can use this as
the opening as the show tomb?
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don't know which no. Okay. Is
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John C Dvorak: This is a good
question. I mean,
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John C Dvorak: It's balanced,
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Adam Curry: Balanced. Shall I
play mine first then? Yeah,
please.
John C Dvorak: II
Adam Curry: that's one. I find
it interesting, man. Kinda like
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Unknown: I think they're pretty
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John C Dvorak: Okay, well, let's
go with I've gotten three. Let's
start with rats.
Adam Curry: Okay, I hate rats.
Okay.
John C Dvorak: Oh, tell you
gotta do better.
Adam Curry: Do better. Are we
saving the best for last? No
doubt. Here we go. And we need
to do better.
John C Dvorak: Is the show is
lousy. We could play that. Yeah.
When it wasn't last. And then of
course, there's this one, which
is famous the world over now.
Unknown: Remember, Please mind
the gap? Yeah.
Adam Curry: I think I think
we're good to go. I just saw the
title. Mike. If it's if the
quality is good, it's a winner,
definite winner.
John C Dvorak: And by the way,
it wasn't easy to find the good
quality version. Right? Because
people were just recording it in
the subway stations is that was
Prince Charles. Didn't get a
clue about that. Very
Adam Curry: good one. We didn't
talk about on the last show. I
do want to mention it. That now
all of a sudden, apparently may
11. They end the vaccine
requirements for and I've read
this and I'd say it's now
John C Dvorak: are we taking
bets on whether they extend it?
Adam Curry: No, they won't.
Because while everyone's all
jacked and Judy myself included
because now I can fly my my
daughter and her fiance over
since he neither of them are
vaccinated.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, but she
doesn't he she is an American
citizen. Correct? Correct. But
Adam Curry: she went Want to
bring him or her Merman?
John C Dvorak: She could have
ditched him?
Adam Curry: We don't we're not
going to take relationship
advice from you. Okay. But
unfortunately, what this really
is all about is title 42 being
dropped. And that means we will
have an influx of 10, at minimum
10,000 migrants coming across
the border flooding our border
towns, mainly of Texas. It's
going to be an absolute mess,
it's going to be
John C Dvorak: that that's just
a supposition. No,
Adam Curry: it's going to
happen. They're already lining
up there ready, May 11. And then
boom, they're in because title
LeBrons, what the title 42 was
used with COVID as a as a, as a
kind of a, what do you call it?
It's a word.
John C Dvorak: I'm looking for
utterances the word you're
looking for.
Adam Curry: Maybe I'm using
deterrence to turn people away.
Well, you don't have your
vaccination to get out of here.
But now that's going away. So
the Biden administration, I'm
sure they wanted to still leave
the the air restriction in place
for international travelers, but
they couldn't quite sell that
and you know that Jabr over it
combat guy can come in and play
the US Open, whatever his name
is Bozo, bozo. Jevic. Yeah, but
it's it's sad. It's not this is
just problematic. But I do have
a clip kind of explains. And
this is another C span clip.
This is an entrepreneur, a
business owner, who's now these
are h2 A immigrants, which is a
h2 as temporary, you can get a
temporary seasonal visa, which I
think many are taking advantage
of to come in. The reason why
he's hiring these employers as
employees is perhaps interesting
to some maybe surprising
Unknown: that, John really
quickly, why are you having to
use these workers? Why can't you
use American born workers to do
the same work?
I, I would get nothing more than
to let that happen. We have to
advertise these jobs. Before we
can submit our petition, we have
to advertise these jobs here.
And no one calls high school
kids will not do these jobs.
How much are you paying for
those jobs? John, what's the
what's the going rate right now?
1515 to $17 an hour, but I would
much rather pay a guy down the
street to come to work for me
every day for $20 an hour,
instead of paying the HTA people
to come from Mexico for $20 now,
but I do those people that do
come from Mexico are extremely
hard workers. And most of the
time, they're extremely good
people.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is a
mystery to me. And I was talking
to Cole from KFC cattle. Because
what we're trying to do here is
because we instead of paying for
shipping on beef that we order
from KFC cattle to come from
Luling, which is on the east
side of Austin. We do one order
with like, you know, eight 910
families that come out with a
van they delivered to our house.
You know, we collect all the
checks and everything. And you
know, it's kind of like a
community thing. And when comes
by to get their beef and
everyone orders a lot more.
Everybody wins, basically. And
so they were really hustling
around and they were going to be
a little bit late on delivery
day. And Cole calls me he says,
I'm sorry, man, we'll just go
nuts. Two weeks ago, I hired 10
people. Today only two of them
showed up. They don't even call
and they just they just don't
feel like working anymore.
They're done with the job. And
they just don't even come back
in. What what are these people
living off of? Is their
government money? I'm not aware
of.
John C Dvorak: There must be it
probably is. That's it? That's
nuts. You have to look into it.
Find out maybe there is maybe
this government money. He says
Adam Curry: we have there. He's
what they must be getting some
government money. I do not
understand it. is maddening.
Have no
John C Dvorak: transition
clipped or anything?
Adam Curry: Actually, I can
transition well, from the border
stuff. Just something I want to
mention, because there's almost
no discussion of it. But the
Supreme Court is, you know,
certainly Republicans on the
Supreme Court are continuously
under attack for all kinds of
Clarence Thomas would be the
number one. But there's a
decision that the Supreme Court
has decided to take on and it's
regarding the Chevron deference.
And I wanted to bring that up so
that people can keep their eye
on and if you find a clip or
find an article about it, are
you familiar with the Chevron
deference?
Unknown: No, no,
Adam Curry: this is Chevron
deference is a ruling that for
40 years, has basically has said
Uh, you know, any agency in the
United States can interpret law
as written by Congress kind of
the way they want to do it. And
this has to do with Chevron from
a long time ago. And that does
they call it the chevron
doctrine or the Chevron
deference. And the reason I put
it in the show notes if you want
to read up on that case from 40
years ago. Now, of course, the
whole reason we have this border
problem is because the Border
Patrol, CPB and, and Department
of Homeland Security, they are
by no, they are interpreting the
law, the way that's handy for
them, that works out for them
politically, or whatever they
whatever reason they have for
letting many people into the
country illegally and letting
them you know, the catch and
release all of that is because
they can interpret law the way
they want. If the Supreme Court
takes on this, this case, what
they're going to take it on, but
if they overrule the chevron
doctrine, that would mean that
whenever you can bring a lawsuit
against any agency to say, Hey,
you are not adhering to the law,
and then this, the federal
court, and it can go all the way
up, the Supreme Court will then
evaluate if there's any
ambiguity in the law, it will
either have to be redefined by
Congress or the agency will have
to actually adhere to the law.
And I think this harassment of
the Supreme Court may have
something to do with this, it's
really not discussed, no one
wants to talk about this,
because that could really change
things. Just think about how all
these agencies overstep their
boundaries everywhere.
John C Dvorak: So that's kind of
interesting. I wish we had some
discussion about it. With
Adam Curry: nothing, there's
nothing there's no clips,
there's no there's some
articles. You know, the hill has
an article on it. But that's
about the bright, and that's
about it. Here nearly four
decades of judicial experience
with Chevron have demonstrated
that courts are incapable of
applying its two step Chevron
framework and consistent manner.
So you know, the, in this case
is actually is being brought by
the Supreme Court is taking on
his herring fishing company, a
herring fishing company, Loper
bright enterprises, I think
they're in where I'm where
they're they there's a ruling
from the National Marine Fishery
Service regulation, that herring
fishing boats have to allow a
federal observer aboard every
ship to oversee operations and
compensate them for their time.
And then the company saying this
regulation significantly
decreases their profit. And so
that's the case that the Supreme
Court is taking on. So I yeah, I
think this I think it's a big
deal.
John C Dvorak: But we'll find
out soon enough. Yeah. Yeah,
I'll try to look into as he was
going on, I have some
miscellaneous clips. I think one
we should we talked about what
was it? Emotional learning and
how it improves everything. You
know, Mercer, you know?
Adam Curry: Sel, social,
emotional, emotional learning.
Yes. Yeah. It's
John C Dvorak: so important
because it makes people do
you're playing Nations report
card that says the results.
Unknown: Nations Report Card, so
called Nations Report Card is
out for civics and US history,
and it's not great. History
scores for eighth graders are
the lowest since this particular
testing started 99 Before the
new data also shows the first
ever drop in civics. This is
from the National Assessment of
Educational Progress, which is
run by the US Department of
Education.
John C Dvorak: surprised I was
just mentioned that you were
still falling apart thanks to
social and emotional emotional
or is not doing anything. No,
no. And I got this one, which is
kind of school related, which is
the teacher that's suing the
school in Texas, I think. No,
no, I'm sorry. Riverside County,
California, Texas. Teachers Sue
school over trans and not
telling parents you did. She
thought you should be able to
tell the parents that the kid
was being called Nancy.
Unknown: A former California
Teacher is suing her district
over claims
she was fired for refusing to
hide kids gender transitions
from their parents. Jessica
Tapia says she was discriminated
against for her Christian
beliefs and warns that what
happened to her can happen to
anybody. Jessica Tapia joins us
along with Vice President and
legal counsel for advocates for
Faith and Freedom. Mariah Gan
dear.
Thanks so much for joining the
program. Why did you decide to
tell to inform the parents? And
yeah, great
Adam Curry: question. Wow, and
the apprehension of why, I mean,
why would you why would you tell
the parents? Oh my god, we're
not gonna go through all of what
I've received. I did put a
number of parent notes. In the
show notes under trans Maoism
which we are still under attack
by in the United States is one
of the only one of the only
countries left. I did want to
share this one. And all these
are anonymous. Our first Bob our
homeschool daughter was
homeschooled during COVID, which
you mentioned John was convinced
she hated her body and was a boy
at 12 and 2020. Surprise
surprise. Our first signal was
her daughter 12 at the time
saying she wanted to be a boy
and use he him pronouns on a
Minecraft homeschool server she
had been on for several years.
And the and the Midwest faith
based principal giving me a
call. Thank you principle. My
wife and I spoke to my daughter
and she denied it was anything
special. We didn't dismiss it as
role playing, which happened
often on this server. But
several weeks later, I was
looking through the logs on our
personal Minecraft server. Good
on you parents for knowing what
you're doing. And found a king
Eric user logged in. I was
asking my son if he invited them
or do I need to implement a
whitelist My daughter went up
and said no, no, that's me. My
wife looked through her
electronics and found out she
was talking with a group of San
Diego kids on
scratch.mit.edu mit.edu a visual
programming site for kids. The
spun off from the Minecraft home
server, the homeschool server
and they were encouraged her not
to tell us and parents don't
understand. So we cut off her
electronics for summer told her
never talked to the group group
again. I told her I love her
either way, but it was too soon
for her to know who she would
fall in love with as she was
just starting puberty. Today.
She falls into tears when it
rarely comes up and says she
wanted to believe it. Since she
was getting so much attention
and support from that group. She
recently learned how to sew and
as making anime style dresses
for herself and getting phone
numbers from boys at home school
dances so I'm hopeful she will
find her true self. No agenda
show is nailing it per usual.
Thanks for your courage. And so
with all this so called anti
trans legislation, Rachel Maddow
is a shining example of exactly
what you should not be doing
when there's division over and I
want to make this clear. We
should use the word children and
not kids. Someone Someone made a
point about this. That kids is
you know, it's it kind of
diminishes what they are. It's
slang you know, Kid young goat,
you know young person. Children
call them children and, and I
also have you heard people call
their children Ketos
John C Dvorak: Yeah, a JC and
Jesse use this term.
Adam Curry: I do not like it all
the time.
John C Dvorak: I always call him
out on I said, kiddo.
Adam Curry: I don't like what's
kiddo. I don't like it. It's
like it's your child.
John C Dvorak: Very common. You
hear it? I see you see a lot of
videos to kiddos it's Milena Lea
bowler Millennials use it a lot.
Yeah, I got my kiddo here.
Adam Curry: I can't understand
what what is it that why does
that hit me deep in my soul that
I hate it when they do that.
What is that? I don't
John C Dvorak: know. I have no
idea which way is hears you it
just bugs me because I don't
like the sound of it. Yeah,
there you go. I
Adam Curry: don't like the sound
of it. Perfect. Just don't like
it. Sounds like a breakfast
cereal. kiddos. Hey, have you
kiddos here's Rachel Maddow ad
talking about people who want to
put legislation to place like
Florida that will inform
children if they if they learn
at school. Or at least they
should have the option but I
mean come on you should be held
informing parents if you're
going to be offering some kind
of sex change route with a
therapist and parents need to
know what what are you then
you're a Nazi?
Unknown: If you are not excited
five the little Nazis blooming
like stink weed everywhere these
days it might give you some
pause right if you realize that
the reason that these Nazis keep
turning out the reason these
Nazis are out there in the
streets and on the street
corners and in these public
parks. The reason they keep
doing this stuff is that they're
cheering on what you've been
doing in your day job that might
give you pause right if you
started to notice what all these
Nazis were doing and realize
that what they were doing was
pulling on your side.
John C Dvorak: So there's a
National Socialist Party in the
United States Nazi Party and
Nazis were a party. There was a
political party that was she
might be referring to are
fascists
Adam Curry: now she's talking
about moms for liberty. Oh,
they're
John C Dvorak: literally Nazis.
Adam Curry: Now. Moms for
liberty are moms who don't want
certain books and for in school.
John C Dvorak: That probably
could for good reason is my
guess.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, then you
because you're now book burning
even though there's no books
being burned, therefore you are
a Nazi. You see, that's that's
how these people think, is the
this, by the way shows me that
Rachel Maddow has a mental
issue. This is Mental
Unknown: that might give you
pause right? If you started to
notice when all these Nazis were
doing and realize that what they
were doing was pulling for your
side. In Ohio, for example, it
might give you pause if you were
an Ohio Republican, and you've
been working on legislation to
attack queer people and trans
people, while at the same time
repeat what
Adam Curry: legislation attacks
queer people and what are queer
people, you've been
Unknown: working on legislation
to attack queer people and trans
people, while at the same time
repeatedly? You know, these guys
are the crowds who are turning
out to bolster that message to
make sure that the harassment
and intimidation of queer and
trans people has not just the
imprimatur of state law but also
a Nazi flare
Adam Curry: Nazi flare mentally
ill seriously mentally ill
John C Dvorak: do i On the topic
of mentally ill that's a segue
for me to play a couple of tick
tock clip
Adam Curry: Yeah, you're talking
everybody tock tock tick tock
tick tock. It is great way to
end at the end of the day.
John C Dvorak: Let's go with
this one. This is the bitch
clip.
Unknown: Hi, I just want to say
that I don't use they them
pronouns you use they them
pronouns for me. I also am not a
day and I'm not of them. And I'm
not a day them My pronouns are
they them? If you need a noun to
use for me, just call me a
bitch.
Adam Curry: Okay, that's not too
bad. I like that.
John C Dvorak: Good with that.
Adam Curry: No problem.
John C Dvorak: Deal. Yeah, the
other one was not about this
topic anymore. The brand's topic
it is about the other topic,
which we didn't touch on today,
which is white supremacy.
Adam Curry: Wow, that's so out.
Oh, no. Yeah, white supremacy is
Oh, that's yesterday's news.
It's like, like racist, you
know, just no more black lives
matter. It's all anti trans
Nazi. But
John C Dvorak: well, we'll get
back to the trans but I would
this might as well play this is
that Did you know three meals a
day as a reflection of white
supremacy?
Adam Curry: No, no doubt, as
long as there's wonderbread. Of
course bag dinner. Yes.
John C Dvorak: So what we have
here, somebody first comes on
and says some of these other one
is transitioning to another
woman who is so happy that this
was being said
Unknown: that the three meals a
day thing breakfast, lunch, and
dinner is from colonialism.
I've been waiting for this day,
continuously. If you don't know
me, please check on my page. I
talk a lot about diet culture
and its roots in white
supremacy, racism and just white
missing the food system as a
whole. And this person really
articulated it well. And also
thank you for sharing this book.
What is so amazing about that
book, and also what's being
discussed in that video is it
really articulates how whiteness
has infiltrated the way that we
view and address our hunger
cues. Because we are trying to
adhere to very strict schedules
that our bodies didn't, you
know, they were not created to
immediately adhere to, like you
don't come out the womb being
like I will only eat breakfast
lunch and dinner society tells
you only eat breakfast, lunch
and dinner. And like think about
how many times people don't eat
after dinner even though they're
still hungry because it's like
well, I can't eat after dinner
that'd be bad. Check out some of
my videos on this.
John C Dvorak: But What's she
talking about?
Adam Curry: Well, it's a
construct you know, everything
is money is a construct
sexuality and gender as a
construct these people are
they're on drugs. They're on the
wrong bad drugs pharma drugs,
this is nuts that's fine. That's
what tick tock is good for I
love that I'm happy for people
John C Dvorak: well, let's go to
Real News and play this because
I want to get this out of here
which is the end of gas in NYC
Adam Curry: the age I was Yeah,
I was the what? The end
John C Dvorak: of gas Oh, the
end of gas. I
Unknown: got it. New York has
passed the country's first
statewide ban on using natural
gas in most new buildings, and
Buress Jeff Brady reports. The
state joins a growing trend
mostly among cities to ban new
gas hookups to meet climate
change goals.
The New York statewide ban is
focused on reducing climate
warming emissions from buildings
starting in 2026. Most new
buildings under seven storeys
will have to use electricity for
energy needs such as space and
water heating and cooking. New
York Governor Kathy hookless
says commercial kitchens are
exempt from the requirement and
she told Fox five New York
existing buildings are exempt
but for new construction,
why not put in what's kind of
the long term less expensive for
you and then and for your kids
futures?
Adam Curry: Well, I wish I had
known you're gonna play this
because then I would have played
my supercut just before this
because this gas stoves
replacing you're being kicked
out of your home Boom. That was
a conspiracy theory.
Unknown: You might think that
the US government is coming for
your gas stove. That is a new
and absolutely ridiculous one
that comes on Fox News and
Republicans are up in arms
because they say the government
is coming to take your stoves
what Republicans are saying is
dammit they're gonna take your
gas though GOP have been stoking
ridiculous new freakout about
gas stoves. No one is taking
your gas stove.
It's a right wing freakout over
the use of gas stoves
is maybe the latest in a long
series of made up culture war
battles, designed to enrage and
rile up their right wing and
paranoid base,
publicans are prone to
conspiracy theories, whether
it's, you know, the Kooky like
JFK, juniors coming back from
the dead to run with Trump, or
the sort of duplicitous like
this administration's coming to
take away your guests, those
Republicans have turned a
government warning about your
health into a lie about
Democrats trying to take your
stoves she gets some bureaucrat
saying something that has no
power and then suddenly, you
have Ron DeSantis. So I'm going
to protect your guests tell you
about gas stoves gas, it's so
stupid people were tweeting me
this weekend that Rhonda Santas
is going to protect my gas
stove. So but I don't seem to be
but the sheer stupidity of it
and if it were just bloggers,
that would be one thing, but
when you have Kevin McCarthy
going out, and other people
talking about gas stoves,
because they keep getting dumber
and dumber, you know, the
Republican Party has become
addicted to this culture of lies
and conspiracy theories that
they have fomented, right and so
they know that there is a
substantial number of people in
the country, in their party, who
they can convince that this is
true, and that it will enrage
those people. This is the this
is like the economy of the
culture of conspiracy theories,
right. I'm certain you and I
will be able to drive through
parts of the country 10 years
from now, and people will be
saying Do you remember back when
Joe Biden was in office and they
tried to take away our guests
stoves?
Adam Curry: I think that kind of
sums up the media.
John C Dvorak: Wow, break clip
and then I would follow
Adam Curry: that I knew
John C Dvorak: within that clip
that one woman said oh under
conspiracy theories think they
are JFQ which is JFK. Okay.
Yeah, Jr, Jr. But But here's JFK
Jr.
Adam Curry: here's the here's
the 32nd pay off, which is kind
of the same as what you just
played
Unknown: New York City is moving
to snuffed out gassed of New
York becoming the first state to
ban natural gas and other fossil
fuels and most new buildings
including gas stoves. The new
law requires all electric
heating and cooking in new
building shorter than seven
storeys by 2027 or Cathy Hoko.
And the democratic control state
legislature approved a bill on
Tuesday prohibiting the use of
fossil fuels for heating and
cooking. The law is the first
statewide ban in the nation and
goes into effect in 2026 for
buildings under seven storeys.
Adam Curry: Don't you just love
it? That to me, that is the
epitome of what would cable news
it's not even all cable. There's
so much mainstream Network News
has become political bullshit.
And we have to sit here and it's
so bad that isn't the end of the
show. We got to we got to throw
this in there. Unbelievable. I'm
gonna add one more to it.
Because I'm delighted to see
this is part of woke ism which
is trans Maoism which is
communism which is Marxism. They
set us up start to destroy the
American family black families
first get the men out of the
home. The baby mama culture Good
job everybody. Good job
Kardashians to have done that
now. Now we've got a ruin
everyone else ruin your
children, your kiddos. But thank
goodness, when it comes to beer
Americans just that's where we
draw the line for some reason.
Especially Bud Light. They got a
dude named Ben here. There are
some consequences. I'm a network
engineer at redacted and due
support for redacted. I got a
ticket for a major outage from
Bud Light. I sent them chasing
their tails. Oops. And then this
unfortunate news.
Unknown: This is your morning
rundown. I'm Kyle Martin. Today
is Friday. It's May 5 2023. And
here's what's happening right
now. Several gay bars in Chicago
announced they will stop selling
Anheuser Busch products. This is
in response to how the company
is handling backlash from a Bud
Light campaign with a
transgender influencer. Some
conservatives began boycotting
the brand a month ago When Dylan
Mulvaney created a sponsored
post promoting Bud Light. The
company released a statement
that made no direct mention of
the LGBTQ community and the
marketing executives behind the
campaign with Mulvaney were put
on leave then yesterday. made
the Belgian American
conglomerates CEO minimize the
company's involvement in the
sponsored posts with the
influencer, saying, quote, it
wasn't a campaign. In response
to that some of Chicago's
largest gay bars now say they
will no longer sell Anheuser
Busch products. Both sidetrack
in North Halstead as well as to
Bear's Hospitality Group which
operates several establishments
in Uptown say they will stop
selling any beer made by the
company including the local
brand,
Adam Curry: goose, Goose River,
I think it is. So they so this
will go down as this will be
marketing 101 crisis management
101 what a what a huge fiasco
not only did you alienate your
core user of your product, but
you alienated the people you
were pandering to.
John C Dvorak: This is double
whammy. It's a it's a classic It
Adam Curry: is so beautiful to
see this and this will end the
influenza gig this is going to
end marketing managers are
peeing their pants right now all
this can really go wrong there
and this will in part take down
the importance of social social
media this is a this is a
seminal
John C Dvorak: moment in
optimist about stuff like that.
Yes, and I'm gonna
Adam Curry: go stroke my light
phone I am an optimist I am an
optimist That's right. You're an
I'm an optimist and you're don't
say realist.
John C Dvorak: I'm a don't say
realist.
Adam Curry: Hi, everybody. Thank
you very much for checking us
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FEMA Region number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley, where I remain
I'm John C. Dvorak.
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adios mo
Unknown: so if I
seem distracted right now, I am
completely distracted by the
ramifications of this. I mean,
this is a big deal.
Adam Curry: That's about say he
Nachi you're part of the
problem. Now. This is not even
about the pronouns pronouns is
what confused parents to start
with. Okay, so just stay with
the story and don't get
distracted don't get distracted
Unknown: by his pulao in
Afghanistan and scrolling, but
no doomsday plan by quitting
Taliban
Bochy he's the latest low level
release 20 self want to blow the
whistle demonize and put to the
side I'm blessing now with this.
We can Pentagon Papers you're in
a private discord chat room when
it gets overwhelming I just
think about Jordan Peterson
saying clean your clean your
room exposing super sensitive
info is it right Whitney waves
unlimited hangout done in plain
sight over in the corner of the
internet? Is it a square never
be too careful like the Silk
Road I mean and Ross all brushes
John C Dvorak: Wait, just I'm
gonna interrupt this moment
because of that pronoun thing
Trans
Unknown: Day of violence and the
restraint that John Deval Wragge
calling bull crap on belling cat
this whole thing is bullcrap
influencers on Instagram
algorithms I mean it's all a
sham and then influences look
into the camera with Sinead and
grins Nikkei and by Lena and
rifle putting email campaign ads
again with this Dylan movie
clown targeting confused
children. Buttons University
kids nowadays are Grubin fold
they what Robin? Robin for the
grades can debate a different
viewpoint without being sent
into a rage. Just relax the
smoking joints or when the Fed
not looking to fit and interrupt
the speakers on the stage and
they can behave like the
spitting in the face of your
customer base online has been in
decline for a really really long
time. They Rick Adams in the New
York Robocop do what
transmittable with society is
how old it is say SpaceX was
building rockets I sure hope you
on musk and his crew know what
you're doing if not I got my
button strapped to 1 million
tons of TNT This is your captain
speaking we will get about two
to two one liter
clear whether it's been today
buckle and enjoy the trip you
were standing there alone the
ship waiting all systems are go
they rip posted aren't nobody
was convinced but the computer
said it had the evidence. No
need to the countdown stop I was
watching in a trance my crew was
certain nothing was left to
chance it's all working. It was
trying to relax in the capsule.
Hey send me up a martini chokes
me for three
was gone please have some money
last somebody's cut corners over
here. Somebody tweets we
send another son I want to get
home
Adam Curry: dads right. Tick
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Unknown: Right
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