November 2nd, 2023 • 3h 1m
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Adam Curry: November 2 2023 This
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episode 16. This is no agenda.
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number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry
John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where we say well
wishes to Bruce Bochy in the
Texas Rangers I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah Texas did
some we did they do we did good
at sports ball
John C Dvorak: sports sports
ball
Adam Curry: sports ball we rule
was sports ball. I was for the
Astros of course was supposed to
be for the Astros here. And then
they got kicked out by the
Rangers now the Rangers are the
they won the World Series who
else from the world is in the
World Series
John C Dvorak: will the players
are international okay with any
Japanese players is put not in
on the Rangers that I know of.
But there's plenty of Japanese
players in fact, the best player
not to belabor this at all, but
the best player in the in the
major leagues is actually a
Japanese dude who both pitches
and he's a big home run slugger
Adam Curry: didn't didn't do a
Japanese team win one year
somehow I remember this
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they did. The Japanese came over
and they won. Yeah. Didn't
Adam Curry: they win the World
Series at some point? Yeah, the
John C Dvorak: Tokyo giants.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, there's a
contradiction. The Tokyo giants
John C Dvorak: ah ha That is the
name of an actual team
Adam Curry: now I'm sure it is.
Okay. Yeah. I believe you. When
it comes to sports you are the
authority on the no agenda show.
I just add color. Which I think
I do well,
John C Dvorak: because he could
they're the Giants but I think
they're from Tokyo. Now I'm
thinking second guessing myself.
Ah.
Adam Curry: And but has an
American ever won the sumo
championships is the question
John C Dvorak: not as well.
There's been some Americans.
Samoans are were kind of
American. I think there was
Smolen
Adam Curry: kind of America. Pre
Americans. They were kind of
here.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. It's mostly
men. Sure he is right now that
are winning this Sumos
Adam Curry: well, all that
aside, I know you have a couple
of clips that we might as well
just get into it because we have
to dive in deep because no one
in media and I mean, absolutely
no one has done a good job at
this
Unknown: presidential order on
artificial intelligence setting
national rules on the rapidly
growing technology that has big
potential but also comes our
senior White House correspondent
Selena Wang has those details
for Selena Selena.
The White House is calling this
the strongest action that any
government has taken on
artificial intelligence, safety
and security. Today, the
President signing an executive
order that would require
developers working on the most
powerful AI models to share
their safety test results with
the government before releasing
their products to the public. It
also includes developing
standards for ethically using AI
and for detecting AI generated
content and labeling it as such,
but this is just the start to
tackling the many dangers of AI
as it rapidly advances. The
technology threatens jobs by
replacing human tasks, it makes
it far easier to spread
misinformation and to steal
people's data. The White House
is also urging Congress to do
more to pass bipartisan privacy
legislation and the White House
making clear that this isn't
just America's problem, but that
the US needs to work with the
world to set standards here.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes we're so
good at working with the world
we need to work with the worst
John C Dvorak: report I've heard
so far. Well, who is this woman
see
Adam Curry: some woman for Good
Morning America the best report
who really was Deutsche Avella
you know because it's not just
the the the executive order it
comes just a few days before the
big summit in in the United
Kingdom at the home of the code
breakers.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's
where I get my clips from.
Adam Curry: This this one from
Dortch Avella kick. It really
killed me.
Unknown: So one of the
godfathers of Age of AI Joshua
Bengio is here and
Adam Curry: Jedi Bongi are one
of the Godfather he's a good for
God. Good for the Godfather
Unknown: one of the godfathers
of Age of AI Joshua Bengio is
here and
Adam Curry: this lady by the
way, I don't know what kind of
what kind of assignment she got.
But she you know her hair is
just it blonde lady is like she
didn't do her hair this morning.
It's just not a good look.
standing out front row that
English countryside home home of
the code breakers. He sat
Unknown: in the future
artificial intelligence could
help spread misinformation,
destabilize democracy. Weapons
can basically be built by people
at home. So the bio weapons
Adam Curry: or AI will help
people build bio weapons at home
and your kitchen sink,
Unknown: really massive risks
involved and MasterCard has
assembled these tech. Brady fans
really from across the world
delegation from China we're
hearing is here and all the
major Western democracies and
tech entrepreneurs to actually
come to a baseline guardrail.
Really? Where are the most
extreme extreme risks from
artificial intelligence? And
where should government's what
can government's do about it?
What can international bodies do
about it?
Adam Curry: So before we get to
your clips in from the UK,
President Biden did this big
ceremony very long speech about
all kinds of other things before
he got to the AI executive
order? And oh, Kara Swisher
Scott G. Were there because you
know, they're AI influencers
that's very important that they
can invite How can we never get
invited to the White House? Were
influencers you should have
John C Dvorak: been invited by
Trump
Adam Curry: Fat chance. So this
is really what it comes down to
for the for the President to
whoever is in charge of him.
It's all it's all about the
elections and deep fakes and he
in this 26 Second stand up, he
kind of set it all it's already
Unknown: happening, AI devices
are being used to deceive
people. Deep fakes. Use AI
generated audio and video to
smear reputations, speak
crispbreads, fake news and
committed with AI fraudsters can
take three second, and you all
know this. Three sets of
recording of your voice. I've
watched one of me on a couple of
acid when the hell did I say
that?
Adam Curry: Already know.
Exactly. We laugh about the
stuff that is real. In fact,
someone sent me that clip and
said, Here's an obvious deep
fake of Biden talking about deep
fakes are like, no, he actually
said that. But the end, just
before we get into it, I think
it's actually now that they have
their grip because I read this
whole executive order. I have
some things to say about it
later. It's actually a great way
to if you know, if you have
control of it, it's a great way
to use a eyes misinformation to
cover up actual facts. I will
give you an example. Because
this is something that came
across from I think France 24.
Now you are, I would say between
the two of us, certainly, but
you're quite skilled at being
able to tell if someone is using
cocaine on a regular basis. Am I
right? I mean, that's Yeah,
yeah. Well, yeah. Now Stilinski
Yes, it has been your assertion
from many videos that presidents
Alinsky is probably a cokehead.
Correct.
John C Dvorak: And he and But
and if you talk to Ukrainians,
they all think he has to. So
you're not alone in this.
Adam Curry: So if you if you
want to debunk it, all you have
to do is say oh, that's a deep
fake AI.
Unknown: See Anna Lee reporting
for us there. Well, it's time
now for our daily fact checking
segment on the program daily
checking truth or fake and for
that I'm joined.
Adam Curry: Wow, wouldn't
imagine if title truth or fake?
John C Dvorak: We've been
playing truths or fake for about
five years.
Adam Curry: No, we
John C Dvorak: don't like the
title or we bid on this. We
Adam Curry: know we don't
actually call it truth or
John C Dvorak: fail. No, that's
what they friends 24 has, that's
what they call it. I have no
idea why they call it that is
dumb
Unknown: or fake. And for that
I'm joined here in the studio by
Catalina Marsh on de Abreu.
Thanks for joining us on the
program. Today we're talking
about Ukraine. As I know you
often do Catalina and President
Lenski he's been accused of a
drug addiction problem. So true
or fake? True or fake?
Talking Ukraine. Yes. We're
going to address certain rumors
on social media claiming that
President Zelensky is addicted
to cocaine. We will
John C Dvorak: make a
Adam Curry: you'll notice she
switches back and forth between
cocaine and then she just like
Coke
Unknown: coke by pro Russian
accounts.
Adam Curry: So it's pro Russia.
It's pro Russian accounts this
deep fake so this is how this
how you do it. You get your
actual deep fake ready. You put
that out there because man,
dude, Volodymyr man, stop tooten
so much now we gotta go. We
gotta go debunk that. buys.
Let's get a deep fake out there.
Okay. Let's just say Let's put
on some Russian accounts to
cocaine.
Unknown: We will disprove these
claims made by pro Russian
accounts. Starting with this pro
Russian account video from April
23, where we can see an alleged
pile of coke and a credit card
on an
Adam Curry: alleged pile of coke
she's forgot to say cocaine
Unknown: third, where we can see
an alleged pile of coke and a
credit card on a president
Solinsky desk during a video
call with the man of the hour
Elon Musk this phone call took
place on March 6, and this user
claims that the cameraman
accidentally filmed the pile of
coke on his. So more skeptical
users on social media noticed
that the credit card has a
strange Halo to it, and hence
claimed that it was digitally
altered. And we can confirm
indeed that this video was
digitally altered indeed. Here
we have a Elian Higgins who made
a split screen video version of
the altered video and the
digitally altered one.
Adam Curry: They didn't even do
this work. They're just grabbing
someone else's. You know?
John C Dvorak: I'm liking this
thesis of yours because he's
given me all kinds of ideas.
Yes, because what they're what
they're doing. This is very
interesting, it dimensionally
when it comes to deconstructing
something. They're taking stuff
that's obviously done as a joke.
And that particular video is a
joke because everyone knows he's
a cokehead. Joker put this on
there. And they're using that to
debunk the fact that he's a
cokehead not that that video is
fake. Exactly. But the whole
thesis that he's a cokehead is
bullcrap. When in fact, that's
not. So they're taking their
tape. This is very, very
interesting. And this is exactly
where this is gonna go what you
said, which is that they're
going to use you know, joke
stuff. And that's not even a
deep fake. It's just somebody
doing some video it tom foolery?
Yes. Which is what the most you
could call it, putting the pilot
Coco.
Adam Curry: By the way, the pile
of Coke was huge.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course,
initially, you know, it was done
as a gag. But it wasn't done as
a gag, you know, out of, you
know, just out of the blue
because does somebody thought it
was just because he's a co CAD,
and they thought it would be
funny to point it out.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Exactly.
Now, and I've one more than I
want you to play your clips,
because I'm gonna set it up
because if we have this, we just
heard the smartest minds in
tech. The brilliant is people.
And this is the house where the
code breakers were Alan Turing
was here. This is the place this
is the mecca, the origins of AI.
And who do you send? Kamala
Harris,
Unknown: the US Vice President
Kamala Harris has challenged
governments around the world to
come up with a common set of
understandings on artificial
intelligence, in his speech at a
global gathering in England, you
Adam Curry: send her well,
everyone
John C Dvorak: knows what Yeah,
but what do you what do you
watch for a common what of
understanding becoming what
Adam Curry: plus listen to get
Unknown: official intelligence
around the world to come up with
a common set of understandings
on Article A common,
Adam Curry: common common set of
understanding common
John C Dvorak: set of
understanding what does that
even mean think
Adam Curry: it means
definitions, and I'll get into
that after your clips
Unknown: and a speech at a
global gathering on the issue in
England, Harris said country's
needed to address the full
spectrum of the risks posed by
the new technology. She said a
new US institution could act as
a model for others to test the
safety of AI. And she added that
now is the time to take action
and ensure that artificial
intelligence is safe for the
future.
Just as AI has the potential to
do profound good, like what it
also has the potential to cause
profound harm.
Adam Curry: Notice how they
rarely say what the good things
are. It's only Ooh scare.
Unknown: From AI enabled cyber
attacks of a scale beyond
anything we've seen before.
Adam Curry: attacks at a scale
beyond anything we've seen
before like,
John C Dvorak: what is what's
the mechanism for AI creating
the biggest cyber attack and
that we've ever seen when we've
seen some Whoppers? Yeah, we've
seen
Adam Curry: some really good
ones. Yeah, man. And by the way,
most hacks are human hack
psychology hacks, nots, not
cyber Milo's go
Unknown: to AI formulated bio
weapons.
Adam Curry: AI is going to put
one no,
Unknown: that could endanger the
lives of millions of people,
like, like COVID
John C Dvorak: or our own
government developed, like COVID
is gonna be that bad or worse? I
Unknown: think so. Threats are
often referred to as the
existential threats of AI.
Adam Curry: Well, often referred
to jahromi. Got to get on board
with this. We have to get on
board with the often referred to
existential threats from Ai.
That means we're going to die
from Ai,
Unknown: because of course they
could endanger you The very
existence of humanity. Of
course,
Adam Curry: of course just says
it so cavalierly, of course,
Unknown: these threats without
question or question, and they
demand global action
Adam Curry: without question
without question he
Unknown: made well as the US
Vice President call for urgent
action from threat from Ai.
Britain published what it says
is a landmark declaration aimed
at boosting global cooperation
to ensure the safety of
artificial intelligence. The
declaration agreed by 28
countries, including the US and
China, was presented on the
opening day of the first ever
global AI safety Summit, which
takes place in the UK. The
British government says the
Blatchley declaration will act
as a starting point for a global
conversation on the issue. Sunak
said monitoring the risks posed
by artificial intelligence was
too important to be left to big
tech firms
Adam Curry: alone. Yeah, I'm
sick of these declarations. So
now they have the Bletchley
deck, we need a declaration. We
did our own declaration. We
called the Podunk declaration or
whatever. No,
John C Dvorak: hey, we got to
give us something like that
cool.
Adam Curry: Name not pulled
down. Well, okay, now it's the
Bletchley deck declaration.
John C Dvorak: We'll come up
with something they affirm.
Affirm that while Yeah, to
affirm everyone has to come up
with a declaration and we have
to affirm what it has to begin
with.
Adam Curry: We affirm, we affirm
whilst whilst you got to put
whilst in there, these are good
terms, whilst safety must be
considered across
John C Dvorak: Fredericksburg is
a good name for a declaration.
Declaration. Yes, Berkeley is
also not bad. Oh, no. No
Berkeley declaration. No, no,
no, it sounds too late. You're
right. It sounds like some sort
of communist Fredericksburg
Adam Curry: sounds kind of Nazi.
You know, it's kind of friends.
Yes, okay. So whilst safety must
be considered across the AI,
lifecycle actors, actors are in
this. What are actors doing?
Their restaurants shouldn't be
working actors developing
frontier AI capabilities. In
particular, those AI systems,
which are unusually powerful,
and potentially harmful. things
make it sound like terrorists
are using this stuff, have a
particularly strong
John C Dvorak: what to do
drawing, to write long essays,
look here,
Adam Curry: six fingers. I have
a particularly strong
responsibility for ensuring the
safety of these AI systems,
including through systems for
safety testing, through
evaluations, and by other
appropriate method measures. We
encourage all relevant actors to
provide context appropriate
transparency above blah, blah.
So it comes down to these two
points in the context of our
cooperation, and to
unfortunately, you reading from
I'm reading from the Bletchley
declaration. Okay. Yeah, come
on. I mean, this is a
declaration. I like reading
declarations. No, it's like the
declaration I
John C Dvorak: declare, as
wishes start.
Adam Curry: At no, we affirm
that whilst in the context of
our cooperation and to inform
action at the national and
international levels. Our agenda
for addressing frontier AI risk,
its frontier AI risk will focus
on two points, identifying AI
safety risks of shared concern,
building a shared scientific and
evidence based understanding of
these risks, which we did not
hear. And sustaining that
understanding as capabilities
continued to increase in the
context of a wider global
approach to understanding the
impact of AI in our societies.
That was written by Chad GPT.
There's no doubt about it, and
to building respect of risk
based policies across our
countries to ensure safety in
light of such risks,
collaborating as appropriate,
while recognizing our approaches
may differ based on national
circumstances and applicable
legal frameworks. This includes
alongside increased transparency
by private actors developing
frontier AI capabilities,
appropriately evaluate Brian
tear thing Oh, crap.
John C Dvorak: You know, you
might be right because I took
this Bletchley thing I listened
to all it clips about and the
clips I brought as a drinking
club, because he went up to
this, you know, it's a it's a,
and they keep talking about how
pretty it is. It's idyllic.
We're in a DELIC, Bletchley. And
there is a bunch of losers and
they're all it's a drinking
club. And I wouldn't be
surprised if as a joke, because
I would do it. Let's have a
chat. GPT write the Declaration.
Adam Curry: Haven't write a
Bletchley declaration. Exactly.
Let's play your clips. I got
some more after that. All right.
John C Dvorak: This is kind of a
rundown with they don't go
anywhere of course, because
nothing really comes of any of
this stuff. It's just a bunch of
ninnies running around with
their hair on fire. But let's
start with clip one.
Unknown: Delegates from 28
countries including the US and
China. gathered today at a
bucolic English country estate
they gathered to sound an alarm
about AI Artificial
Intelligence. They pledged to
work together to contain what
they call the potentially
catastrophic risks posed by this
technology. Will in Paris,
Lauren Frayer has been covering
this two day summit of
politicians and tech CEOs. Hey
there, Lauren. Hi. Very basic
question. When we say they're
gathered, they're talking AI.
What do they mean? What has them
so worried that they've all come
together?
There's a lot of like, talk
about existential threats in the
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,
has actually said he's literally
worried about humanity losing
control of computers, delegates
are talking about the role of AI
and bio weapons, cyber attacks,
making the global financial
system go haywire threats to
democracy. But AI is also stuff
that like you might be familiar
with language models, things
like chat, GPT, Google
Translate, and also tools that
like your bank may be using to
evaluate loan applications, read
your medical records. Vice
President Kamala Harris is in
town for this summit. And she
gave a speech today at the US
Embassy in London where she gave
some real world examples.
Consider, for example, when a
senior is kicked off his health
care plan, because of a faulty
AI algorithm. Is that not
existential for him?
Adam Curry: Oh, goodness.
John C Dvorak: No, of course I
cut it there because Yeah, cuz
she's annoying, cuz she's an
idiot. Now, this has happened
with just casually This happens
all the time. This has nothing
to do with a I
Adam Curry: know it's a stupid
algorithm that's already in use.
John C Dvorak: So some guy got
kicked off his health care plan,
he has to go through a rigmarole
to get him it's like losing your
credit score being off because
of wherever somebody steals.
He's got none of this has
anything to do with AI. It's
real world issues that have been
going on forever. And now it's
just going to be easier to blame
it on AI. Yep. So anyway, so
this is the NPR report that I
thought they handled it kind of
lightly. They weren't taking it
too seriously. And they were
more interested in the fact that
that's bucolic to be out there.
And Bletchley, which isn't, you
know, you go to these places,
there's plenty of them in the
English countryside. And they
have meetings meetings in them.
I've been to more than a couple
when I was writing for PC
Magazine, UK, and is gorgeous,
you know, you go in there and
it's just these beautiful
places, and that's drinking
club,
Adam Curry: you know what you
can hear there. A rustle in the
headrow. Alright, number two,
Unknown: so she talks about
people being victimized by deep
fakes, like fake explicit
photographs are in prison
because of biased AI facial
recognition software by and she
talks about the need to regulate
all of that stuff without
stifling innovation. Wow. That's
the challenge. Okay, so we've
got the American vice president
there, the British Prime
Minister, Prime Minister, Sunak,
everybody talking about it. I
guess the question that's always
hanging over this is what can
they actually do? What are they
going to do?
Yeah, so they can issue a joint
declaration, which they did
today. But you know, there's no
global regulatory body. There's
nothing binding here. This
summit is a success in terms of
just bringing these people
together. And it goes beyond
politicians. I consulted an AI
expert, Nina Schick, and she
says a major role is going to
have to be played by us tech
company. Who
Adam Curry: is this Nina Schick?
When is when did she come on the
scene? Nina share we got another
one. Here she comes
Unknown: primarily because the
knowledge in terms of what is
actually happening, how are
these systems built? what's
under the hood who can
understand them is not going to
come from government alone.
Industry needs to be a part of
this conversation.
And so to that end, Elon Musk
Adam Curry: tomasik and Nina
Schick who looks like she's
about 30 Bit of an AOC look,
Nina schick.org. Nina, she
John C Dvorak: needs a shake.
Okay, hold
Adam Curry: on. Sir advisor and
speaker specializing in
generative AI she has Oh out of
the blue. Oh yeah. Deep fakes.
Let's see deep fakes where she
deep fakes are the first viral
form of generative AI. This is
where the story begins. Oh,
she's she's an expert, but
what's your bio? Nina shit. Nina
Schick as your bio.
John C Dvorak: Oh she doesn't
she does have an AI AOC has an
AI she looks like aI Yes, she
does. looks a little like AOC
Adam Curry: Nina advises several
AI and technology companies
including true pick the first to
build media authentication
technology. And Cynthia. The
world is
John C Dvorak: very interesting.
She was born in Katmandu, not to
Nepal.
Adam Curry: Nina's debut book,
deep fakes, was released in
2020. Translated into five
languages. She's a seasoned
media commentator. Oh, can we
call us that ourselves a cesium?
Well, I'm a seasoned media
commentator. So you know,
John C Dvorak: assault on yeah,
here we go
Unknown: is not going to come
from government alone
industry needs to be a part of
this Congress. She
Adam Curry: has advised leaders
including Joe Biden, the
president, kick and on Anders
Fogh Rasmussen the former
Secretary General of NATO she
speaks seven languages and calls
London Berlin and Katmandu home
she's an agent. I wouldn't have
her on the show and
John C Dvorak: let me think
London Berlin and Katmandu is
her where she calls home yeah
Adam Curry: three home yeah,
yeah.
John C Dvorak: My six ug
graduated from Cambridge. So I'm
going in my scenario
Adam Curry: let's let's listen
to her again it will be quiet
Unknown: primarily because the
knowledge in terms of what is
actually happening, how are the
systems built, what's under the
hood who can understand them is
not going to come from
government alone. Industry needs
to
be a part of this conversation.
instead. Elon Musk is
participating representatives of
Google Amazon meta Microsoft are
all attending this summit.
Well, and that prompted me to
ask you about the venue as I
mentioned at the top they were
all meeting in this new somewhat
unlikely setting a bucolic
English country. This is not
just any English country estate
though. Explain. It's gorgeous.
Adam Curry: It's gorgeous, dark.
Gorgeous. I tell you. It's
bucolic. What is bucolic even
mean?
John C Dvorak: It means it means
it's a it's a mind, kind of it's
like a delicate, it's only
different it's got more birds
chirping, chirping and there's
like deer there's like a lamb
you know, in a very green field.
Just a lamb, a lamb and maybe a
Horse.
Adam Curry: Cow man wasn't no
goats.
John C Dvorak: No goats. Yet
generally not in bucolic racket.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it is indeed
the definition is idyllic
rustic, a pleasant bucolic
scene. Speak English lady
John C Dvorak: bucolic. Okay. So
I don't know where we ended
there. But let's go to clip
three. It's
Unknown: gorgeous. It's called
Bletchley Park. It's crawling
brick and stone manor house and
it was once the top secret home
of World War Two codebreakers
were some of the sort of best
and brightest mathematicians,
including one named Alan Turing
cracked the Nazis enigma code
and helped win the war. The 2014
movie Imitation Game is there.
And so Bletchley had a role in
the birthplace of some of the
earliest programmable computers.
And the questions that Alan
Turing asked at Bletchley
literally 85 years ago, Can
computers think can they imitate
humans are being talked about
again, in that very same venue?
Adam Curry: Fascinating,
fascinating. John is
fascinating, thoughtful daily
learning. Well, not everybody is
on board with this. The in fact
the, the co founder of Google
Brain, which, which merged I
guess, with IBM's, Big Blue,
something he says, and this is
in the Business Insider, big
tech companies are inflating
fears about the risks of AI
wiping out humanity because they
want to dominate the market of
John C Dvorak: the right idea,
of course, and what else is new
Adam Curry: Andrew Yang, an
adjunct professor at Stanford
University, soon to be ex
adjunct professor at Stanford
University, who tease out who
taught open AI CEO Sam Altman,
he taught the guy told the
Australian Financial Review that
the biggest tech companies hoped
to trigger strict regulation
with, quote, The Bad idea that
AI could make us go extinct.
They are definitely there are
definitely large tech companies
that would rather not have to
try to compete with open source.
So they're creating fear of AI
leading to human extinction. Now
remember, the lambda model was
put out by meta in open source,
and now I'm running AI in my own
little raspberry pi here at home
with the same models. Well, not
the same, but you know, the same
deep chat GPT three models. I
have that for sure. And probably
a little bit above that. And I'm
not and he's not the only one
that says this is bullcrap.
Here's what is her name. This is
Meredith Whitaker. She's the
president of signal she was at a
Washington Post AI Summit. And
here's what she had to say. But
generative AI is
Unknown: not actually that
useful. What happened in January
was that technology or sort of a
framework for building models
that had been developed in 2017,
was sort of put online with an
interface by Microsoft slash
open an AI who have to be
understood as the same entity.
Right and the chat GPT interface
kind of gave people a simulated
experience of like, oh my god,
I'm talking to kind of a human
it's spitting out nones. sounds
but it's spitting it out. And
this feels kind of sentient,
right? And on the backs of this
advertisement
Adam Curry: for their GPT. I
like her a lot. But the right
thing is rampant. Yeah, I would
Unknown: sell through their
Azure cloud services. They sort
of generated an entire new hype
narrative around generative AI
as the sort of future facing
technology that's going to
change every industry. But what
does it do? Right? It you know,
present visual images that are
often you know, stolen from
artists or like far too close
for comfort. And it presents
plausible text write it in
prose, what's the plausible
response to a prompt, based on
mountains of data from the
internet, the red, it's the four
chance, you know, the storm
front is in there, as Natasha's
work has shown, you know, and
kind of presents text that looks
plausible, but has no
relationship to facts, has no
relationship to reality? It has
no citations. Right? So what is
this useful for? It's not useful
in my serious context, yeah, you
could replace a junior
copywriter, but you better have
a senior copywriter? Who's
checking that text because it's
gonna be janky.
Adam Curry: I love the term
janky that she's right, yes, my
teeth used to be janky janky is
a very valid term. So she's
completely right, I spent two
days really trying to figure out
what they were trying to do with
this executive order. It is a
monstrous Executive Order, when
they have those behind closed
doors meetings with Chuck
Schumer, that I think every
single tech CEO, or the smartest
brains, and people in the
universe had their lobbyists
there to write this thing. And
from what I can tell, they
completely are writing me what
the what the Google Brain co
founder guy says, we don't want
anyone competing with us. That's
exactly what I see. But I think
it's even worse, because they
have defined certain terms to be
so broad, that you can pretty
much say, if you start a social
media network, and it is of x
size, which would mean it would
be competing with them. And they
go right down to the number of
machines, how many gigabits of
bandwidth between these
machines, what kind of
computational power it would
have, which kind of equals you
know, Amazon, AWS services,
Google Cloud as your all this
stuff, then you would be deemed
artificial intelligence and
thus, would have to adhere to
the regulation. These guys,
they, they, they know that they
have nothing left, they got
nothing in the pipeline, they
have no advertising is on the
downturn, it may come back up
again. But it's not going to be
what it was. They wanted to
solidify their spot with this
bullcrap, which cost just as
much as they might make offer.
There's no advertising business
model that we've seen yet. But
yet, this is all we need all
kinds of incredible money and
and institutions and the
government to be all over this,
to protect the people from the
horrible things that could go
wrong could go wrong if you're
as big as we are. So they've
defined these terms. And, and
the three that I think are most
important are these artificial
intelligence. So this is now a
temporarily legal definition of
what artificial intelligence is,
because it's an executive order.
Of course, the next president
comes in can get rid of it, and
I hope whoever it is, does. The
term artificial intelligence or
AI has the meaning set forth in
15. US Code nine four is 013.
I'll get to that in a moment.
Kolon, a machine based system
that can for a given set of
human defined objectives, make
predictions, recommendations, or
decisions influencing real or
virtual environments? Well, bull
crap, that's an algo. That's
literally an algo. Artificial
intelligence systems use machine
and human based inputs, so it's
not autonomous. To perceive real
and virtual environments
abstract such perceptions into
models through analysis in an
automated manner, and use model
inference to formulate options
for information or action. What
does that sound like to you? But
well, listen to this clip, and
it's right in here.
Unknown: It's heard that the
first ever global summit on AI
safety is taking place, bringing
together top officials from 28
countries with executives from
cutting edge tech firms, Prime
Minister Rishi Sunak, hoping to
position the UK as a leader in
the rapidly developing field.
Why not? There can be no serious
strategy for AI without at least
trying to engage all of the
world's leading AI powers.
Sooner is pushing for global AI
regular nation advisory board
based on the UN's
intergovernmental panel on
climate change or other
Adam Curry: they want it they
want to
John C Dvorak: regulate it with
the UN body
Adam Curry: yeah and like
climate change IPCC which is a
bow Nan's of money, government
money, this is what they want.
Yes, more meetings all around
the world. Cup. 29 is on deck.
Oh, man, they want to have fun,
fun, fun. And they want thinking
club. Yes. But a very profitable
drinking club. Look. Oh, yeah,
John C Dvorak: look at how we've
been why just drink when you can
make money while you're
drinking. Look
Adam Curry: at how we've been
frightened into believing
climate change is all it's the
same terminology we can, we can
just guess exactly what they're
going to say and exactly what
they're going to do. So I
thought it would be fun to put
this definition through my own
AI running here at home and ask
what it thought of it? Well, the
AI which is probably equivalent
to GPT 3.5 says, This definition
is quite broad. But it also
captures a wide range of
technologies under its umbrella
term artificial intelligence,
for example, natural language
processing system use AI
technologies to analyze textual
inputs from humans in order to
make predictions. There's your
Siri, no more Siri not on scale,
not at our scale, then you have
to go through regulations.
Similarly, machine learning
algorithms can be used for
predictive modeling and decision
making tasks and involve data
analysis of real world events,
such as weather patterns, or
stock market trends. They want
to corner the market. And they
will with the stupid
administration. Whoa, we'll wrap
up. The next definition, the
term AI model, according to the
executive order, AI model means
a component of an information
system that implements AI
technology, and uses
computational statistical or
machine learning techniques to
produce outputs from a given set
of inputs. This is the basis of
of computing. I'm asking you, is
this yes, this is this is insane
what these people are talking
about?
John C Dvorak: Well, it is this,
I saw I looked over that thing.
And I thought there was one
owner moment in the whole
document that I was picked me up
Sure. What was that anybody
involved any of this even, even
in at the lowest level, it says
in that document, that all red
team results? Yes, path to be
turned over to the government.
Now for people out there who
want to know what that means
that there's, there's things
called penetration testing,
where you do check to see how
strong your systems are. And
then there's a thing, which I
don't know why they ended this,
but it's called Red team. And
red team goes beyond penetration
testing a COBOL, I think gets
involved in this is what he
does, because he gets hired. And
he has to literally in some
instances break into a company.
Yeah, you know, illegally, but
it's legal, but it's illegal at
the same time, break into the
company, and then go and fish
around in their systems, you
have to turn those rules, those
results of any red team analysis
are so they're so proprietary
and dangerous, that you're
giving the government the
backdoor to your entire system,
if you do that. And they're now
requiring it by this executive
order. I found that to be just
overlooked by everybody and
extremely onerous. They should
be sued for it. This, this
executive order is no good.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, it's
completely written by lobbyists,
and donors and lobbyists. I love
the term generative AI, which is
a class of AI models that
emulate the structure and
characteristics of input data in
order to generate derived
synthetic content. This can
include images, videos, audio
texts, and other digital
content. And then they go into
this whole this whole section
about who who has to give the
red team results to the
government, and is basically
anybody who's trying to compete
with them. Literally, they talk
about if you have so many
integer calculations per second,
so many billions of billions of
rows in your model. I mean, it's
unbelievable.
John C Dvorak: Well, you're
right. This is a scam
perpetrated by Mehta and Google
Yes. And who and maybe, I don't
know, Microsoft, Microsoft,
Microsoft, right, Microsoft
Mehta and Google the big three.
It's like
Adam Curry: the digital Patriot
Act. This thing is, it's like,
give it all to us. We control
you now. Yeah, and then of
course to get the public on
board. Well, let's roll out some
fun human interest stories shall
wait
Unknown: 53 years after
splitting up their back. It's a
reunion few could have imagined
since only two are still alive.
But the Beatles are releasing a
new single featuring all four
band members thanks to
artificial intelligence.
It's the last song that my dad
and Paul and George and Ringo
will get to make together now
and
then was written and sung by
John Lennon in the late 1970s 24
years later, his widow Yoko Ono,
gave the demo to Paul McCartney,
but back then it was impossible
to separate Lennon's vocals and
piano to work alongside new
recorded parts. Last year AI
made that possible.
Paul called me up and said we'd
like to work on now and then he
put the bass on I put the drums
on
in the city of Liverpool where
it all began. Fans are eager to
hear the results.
I can't wait to hear the song. I
hope it's done tastefully, I
hope it is bringing them up with
something about the half
traitors together
collaboratively collaboratively
and the technology just makes it
happen.
It was in this room that The
Beatles performed for the very
first time the venue and the
city itself attracts fans from
around the world but wait the
physical release of now and then
also comes ahead of new editions
of The Beatles red album and
blue album under to cover that
entire singles discography
Adam Curry: so they so this is
now artificial intelligence
where audio guys
John C Dvorak: have been able to
do this you thank you for
decades
Adam Curry: Thank you. And even
on demos Sir George Martin was
well known he was one of the
first guys that did multi tracks
multi tracks or as we call it
today stems and even that you
can go online there's opens I'll
tell you which is there's an
open source value for value even
based system called well there
it is vocal remover.org and you
can throw in any song you want
you can remove the music or
remove the vocals which I is
because this and this is what
they want to stop the fact that
some dude open source can you
can do that you little little
puny man vocal remover.org You
can take your little donations
for that but don't you try to
compete with us because then
you'll have to read Jamie
results that's what this it's
disgusting. This should be them
so much a challenge this we need
to challenge this with the
Fredericksburg declaration.
John C Dvorak: I think the
Fredericksburg declaration
should should we can do more
than one of these. Oh yeah. So
let's make this one specifically
about that executive order.
Okay,
Adam Curry: I like it. I like
the idea. We need to do
something I mean we need to take
stand where it takes them
John C Dvorak: you me? Why do
what
Adam Curry: now I'm moving on.
Did you see the Ark conference
this weekend that was taking
place in in the O two Arena in
England in London.
John C Dvorak: Do you know I
honestly I know nothing about
the art conference in the ote in
the oh two arena. Oh, this is a
nice arena.
Adam Curry: Well, it's not in
the it wasn't in the arena
itself. But it was one of the
one of the room nearby little
room nearby. But it sounds good
at the oh two. This is the
Alliance for responsible
citizenship. This is Jordan
Peterson's anti World Economic
Forum thing. You haven't
followed this at all.
John C Dvorak: I have not
followed this at all. I've not
followed much of what Peterson
has been up to because ever
since he became his angry man.
Adam Curry: Yeah. So So
John C Dvorak: ever since he got
off drugs, almost killed himself
getting off drugs.
Adam Curry: She got really,
really boring after he got off
the drugs. So this is it's very
it's a bit polarizing because of
the people involved. So it
really was spearheaded by him.
And what is the she Baron Ness?
Philippa something or other
bareness, Philippa. And they've
they've pretty much gathered a
whole lot of alternative media
people
John C Dvorak: Bori invited No,
no.
Adam Curry: Philippa Stroud.
They bareness Philippa Stroud,
who is the co founder and CEO of
aarC, member of the House of
Lords, chair of the social
metrics commission. And it's
interesting because they have a
lot it, it sounds really good on
paper. And, you know, it's like,
let me let me just give you
they're actually ahead Have
their pitch, but about Ark the
Alliance for responsible
citizenship as an international
community with a vision for a
better world where every citizen
can prosper, contribute and
flourish.
John C Dvorak: And Karl Marx say
something similar
Adam Curry: you know, I am by
people look at that and then
they had live stream all weekend
there's videos this is the most
important speech you ever heard.
You know they had Ayaan Hirsi
Ali on a panel. Peterson led the
whole thing. He had the most
heinous jacket on where half was
red, how
John C Dvorak: blue wearing this
Half and Half Jacket? It's
hideous is yeah, you've seen it
a couple of times. And it's
like, no,
Adam Curry: it's just Why are
you wearing this? No, it's just
no. Do you want to hear a little
bit of their promo reel?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, go yes, I
do. Okay, we actually, what, I'm
sorry, I'm sorry. I'm still
saying no to the jacket.
Adam Curry: The jacket is a hard
pass. Just no to the jacket.
Unknown: We asked the Alliance
for responsible citizenship. Do
you not believe that humanity is
necessarily and inevitably
teetering on the brink of
apocalyptic disasters, we do not
believe that we are beings
primarily motivated by lust for
power and the desire to
dominate. We do not regard
ourselves or our fellow citizens
as destructive forces living in
an alien relationship to the
pristine and pure natural
Adam Curry: and something.
World.
Unknown: If you look out into
the world at the moment, there
are a series of narratives out
there the stories that we're
telling ourselves that are
actually determining a lot of
our global behavior. If you've
got children, you're exposed to
some of us in a really visceral
way, and you see your children
coming home fearful about the
future. This is sort of
cataclysmic belief that the
future is dangerous. And somehow
we are to blame.
There is an epidemic mental
health crisis worldwide, in
great part due to the breakdown
of the social fabric and
confusion over values for
economic prosperity, work and
materialism is prioritized over
family.
And so the despair that we see
around us, right the breakdown
of of all these social
connections is related to a
vision of the human being, which
sees that the person is just the
consumer, promoting that
reducing humans to consumers or
criticizing it and criticizing
humans for being parasites on
the world.
Adam Curry: Okay, so that's kind
of the the the issue part of
this promo reel. I am not a fan
of music, like this big,
bombastic,
John C Dvorak: lower key music
played in a while kind of sad.
No, it's just to get it to
elicit an emotional response to
the words being said, and why
Adam Curry: would you do shit?
And what would you do in the
next piece with the music?
John C Dvorak: Well, if I was
playing that at the beginning,
which is the bad side, I would
play the uptempo stuff to say
how much what you're going to
do.
Unknown: But what is a best
story? What is the better story
that we can we can tell, that
will enable us to walk forward
the way we need to walk forward
as societies and nations,
because we're really going to be
the fixed the
Adam Curry: bringing the
violence,
Unknown: to bring a more
optimistic vision and to believe
in ourselves in our
civilization, in the things that
made it such an extraordinary
civilization,
we need to formulate a different
vision. And I think that we have
in our traditions we have in our
great theological movements of
the West in the past few 1000
years, we have the possibility
of formulating a different
vision of humans, humans that
exist in love with each other,
that are submitted to the
transcendent good, and that can
work together towards a better
future.
The rejection of our traditional
beliefs have not produced viable
alternative narratives only
deconstructionist theories, we
must reinvigorate our sense of
citizenship, we must encourage
one another to serve to step up
to lead with courage wherever
leadership is needed. The AFF
network that I'm a part of will
seek to address these goals and
more
if we get this right if we can
give people confidence again,
now identity is people and
communities and nations they
will start to reverse some of
the more negative trends that
have accompanied the more
positive ones so hopefully can
have a very long lasting impact.
Adam Curry: Right now. I'm very
hopeful that music got me all
hopeful. I'm up. How about you?
Are you up? Are you feeling up?
John C Dvorak: God? No.
Adam Curry: There's also a lot
of religious imagery, iconic
type things. You can hear
there's an undertone of that,
although they never specifically
address it. And here's the
payoff. This is the last beats a
little shorter of the promo
reel. This is I guess what
they're gonna do, they're gonna
tell us now I mean, this is
horrible that we have a mental
health crisis not because of all
our children are on SSRIs. But
we're and it. Obviously, telling
people about climate change is
frightening and it frightens the
kids and we're all going to die
and but we need to step up, step
up as citizens. And what is art
going to do for us is
Unknown: emerging already, as a
wonderful community of people
who are just full of hope for
the way forward and want to
bring in a different culture and
a different vision for where we
can go as a people,
I believe in great minds meeting
and looking together for
solutions. You cannot
overestimate the impact of an
idea.
There is a great narrative that
we can all chime in on. So the
things that we all want
together, which is human
flourishing, human prosperity,
human wellbeing, all mods to
hope. We posit that men and
women have faith and
decisiveness in the image of God
can arrange their affairs with
care and attention. So that
abundance and opportunity could
be available for all we hope to
encourage the development of an
alternative pathway uphill, out
of both tyranny and the desert,
stabilizing, unifying and
compelling to men and women of
sound judgment and free will
welcome aboard the ark.
John C Dvorak: Roma My God, you
know, Peterson is going to be so
when he comes to his senses is
going to be so embarrassed by
this utopian bullcrap that he's
part of that is, he's going to
be have to go on an apology
tour. I mean, he's that is the
worst thing I've ever heard.
Adam Curry: He is he so there's
these shots of him standing over
a huge canyon, and there's a
drone shot and he's standing
there almost like Moses. I mean,
Peterson may be the Antichrist
for all we know. But I did a
little bit of research. And I
say that only in biblical
context. Because this is
something really, really irks me
about what's going on here. But
now looking because this is a
massive conference. There's
money behind this. So first, a
little bit yeah, who Yeah, okay,
I found out for us. So the
Alliance for responsible
citizenship was launched by
Peterson includes what we call
public intellectuals, Arthur
Brooks, Niall Ferguson, Bjorn
Lumbergh.
John C Dvorak: The old public
intellectual, a term which is
fairly recent, by the way and
more or less created by guys
like Peterson
Adam Curry: Yes. Like the the
intellectual, dark web. When I
John C Dvorak: was a kid, Oh,
yeah. When I was a kid, here we
go. There was no such thing as
I'd never heard the term public
intellectual until about a
decade ago. Well, in fact, I
should check it out in a Google
ngram. And I'm sure public
intellectual is a fairly new
creation. I'll do that while
you're talking.
Adam Curry: So this is the group
behind this is the legato group,
the Lukla Gadem Institute leg a
Tum, okay. And the LE Gadem
Institute was described by the
Financial Times as the
intellectual heart of Brexit. So
this is where all this is coming
from. Okay. And they also are
connected to GB news, which
makes total sense. So, you know,
we've got old GB news, you know,
that's the thing that Mark Stein
was on and they have fun, fun
stories is definitely a counter
narrative in the UK, but so on
to so far. It mean, this feels
like Russell Brand. This feels.
I mean, it feels like all of
these kinds of people. And if
you look at the Advisory Board,
let me see if I can find some
interesting people here. So
Arthur C. Brooks, he's at
William Henry Bloomberg
professor. We've got Barry
Strauss, military historian on
Ancient Greece, Bjorn Lumbergh,
where the Copenhagen Consensus
Think Tank, we've got Oh, Dan
Crenshaw, eyepatch McCain, he's
in there. Who else James or
associate professor of
philosophy of religion. We've
got Oh, would you look at that?
We've got Mike Johnson, a new
speaker of the house. He's a
member of it. Michael
Shellenberger of course part of
the Westminster declaration.
Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee from
Utah, this new spoke. This, so
Niall Ferguson. Philippa Stroud.
I mean, this just it's it is
into Tony Abbott Victor Davis
Hanson Bovec Ramaswamy. Oh, and
Winston Marshall, a Grammy Award
winning musician. It's just like
a missing yo, yo, Ma. That's the
only one they didn't get in
there.
John C Dvorak: Dig deep enough.
Let me stop you With this thing,
my comment, which was I've got
to Engram up for public
intellectual. The term never
existed before 1985 and has
grown just kind of exponentially
and peaked in 2003. And now is
leveled off at a very high rate,
interest. So it's some new
thing. So as we start seeing
these new terms introduced all
of a sudden, and people are in
the group sub suddenly had never
existed before. I would say that
something's up with that.
Adam Curry: So the Gadem
Institute is funded by the
legato legato group, which
includes an investment firm
Legato Capital run out of the
United Arab Emirates, well, a
UAE operation Yes. And they fund
things like the the freedom
fund, the Ebola crisis fund,
John C Dvorak: they got tons of
money they also a they have a
lot of money. There's a money
grab by these public
intellectuals. Okay, well, good
for them. They
Adam Curry: also have a stance
on climate change. The
population growth, not
capitalism is the biggest cause
of climate change. The best way
to save the planet is to give
women more control over their
own fertility. So there's all
kinds of things here that I just
don't like. That's funny. Traum
says Korea sounds jealous,
believe me. I'm not jealous if
this is also what I don't know.
But I think we're looking at
something we
John C Dvorak: haven't latched
on to one of these money, see
holes.
Adam Curry: I think that there's
false idols here that we need to
be Be careful of. And I was
totally irked when I saw Eva
flirting a Brook? Who is the,
you know, the cute Dutch blonde
who rose to fame through Tucker
Carlson? When, during the Dutch
farmer protests.
John C Dvorak: That group? Yeah,
yeah, the only one and you I
think we're the only one to
debunk it.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm not she's
not a member of that group. But
but she had, she's actually
engaged getting married to Matt
wit, who's part of the Prager,
you. So you know, she's Prager,
you. So this is the group, you
know, and, and they interviewed
her and I was, actually I'm kind
of happy because what she said
here, mirrors. I think my
initial thinking about you know,
so what is this group really
doing? I totally understand that
got her on board. Ben Peterson
is a is a very, you know, he's a
very convincing guy. I can see
where people are just get all on
board with him. But even, you
know, ever since the drugs mean,
he uses a lot of words. There's
no joking anymore. There's no
fun. It's all just anyway, but I
wanted to play this, this, this
little piece by her. Because I
think this is exactly what this
group is. Because in the
watching for two days, I saw no,
absolutely zero ideas or
solutions, or here's what we're
going to do other than we're the
public intellectuals, we
recognize a problem. We can't do
a podcast
Unknown: here. Obviously, when
when Jordan Peterson announced
that he was starting a counter
movement, basically to the World
Economic Forum immediately
sparked my interest. Because
although I'm not a fan,
necessarily of centralized
organizations, the essence of
this is not that it's actually
to bring together people who
look at power in a more
decentralized more nationalist
way, bring them together to
fight again, a global agenda,
right? So it's, it's in essence,
the opposite idea of the World
Economic Forum, even though we
do have to conspire together you
know, in order to exchange
ideas, and I really like that
for because of the fact that
it's active, you know, we're
doing something and there's a
lot of talk on the conservative
side. But this is something
where people can actually join
and exchange ideas and take
action and hopefully, spread the
word beyond social media. So I
really like it for that reason,
that focus obviously on
responsible citizenship is a
very different idea than what
the World Economic Forum
predicates, they, for them, all
of the political ideology that
they're based on everything left
wing anyway, anything Neo
Marxist is always it's always
outside of yourself, right? It's
always the system that is
oppressive. It's racism or the
patriarchy or anything climate,
you know, it's always anything
that is outside of your own
control. And I think what
Peterson OpenWhisk today saying
no, you you have agency over
your own life, and that's where
you need to get started is a
really good message and one that
we desperately need. So I'm
curious to see how this will
develop and what will come from
you No a meeting like this,
because it can't just be
talking. We need to be wary of
that. But I really really liked
the idea.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's just
talking.
John C Dvorak: You know, the
other thing is she kind of
commented This is the counter to
the World Economic Forum kind of
belies the fact that the World
Economic Forum has, until
recently, really brought
together prime ministers, CEOs
of major corporations and
influence. Public intelligible
state secretaries of finance,
World Bank guys, it was like
done for a week. It was an
economic forum. It's only
recently that has become this
screwy thing. And that's not
what these guys did a bunch of
public quote unquote, public
intellectuals who could, who in
my opinion, are just blowhards
that like to talk and they read
my cogs in many instances. And
it's it's point and what's the
point of it? What's it supposed
to do? Oh, we take control of
our own lives. Yeah. And the
World Economic Forum's against
it that this is not the way
things are really structured.
The World Economic Forum and all
these things we talked about are
largely a joke. So this is a
counter joke.
Adam Curry: Well, because I was
talking to Tina about it she
just well, you know, it is at
least it's not you know, they're
against the World Economic
Forum. But yeah, but what are
they really saying? It's like,
you know, that kind of half
there's a half Catholic
Christian vibe to it, which is
not really spoken of. But But
then it's like you know, be the
individual be you know, either
all in on that or not be the
individual be upstanding citizen
but don't be global. i It's, I
think you're right, I think it
feels like Mike hogs and there's
lots of money flowing into this.
There's a lot of money for it.
And the the fact that the money
comes from the same people who
organize and and politically
organized the Brexit means it's
a political group. There's
political money behind this. I'm
not saying I disagree with
Brexit, obviously I don't. I
thought it was great. I thought
it was phenomenal to see that.
But you got to be honest about
it. The UAE money source just
smells
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm looking
at your website too. And the
website is the only way I can
describe it who should go to as
a
Adam Curry: part of your
archive.org
John C Dvorak: it is corny. It
is overproduced. All the stock
art is corny. It's just lame.
It's super lame. And the fact
that that some of these people
are ever attaching their names
to this is just an
embarrassment. Yeah. Okay, what
did they cut in here? Um,
there's like a running movie at
the beginning with UNISOM. The
aarC of the of the moral
universe is long, but it bends
toward justice. What does that
even mean?
Adam Curry: That's what I'm
talking about. It's these these
these big structured sentences,
then I guess it sounds better if
you're wearing you're cutting
John C Dvorak: grapes off of a
vine. What does that have to do
with anything? It's
Adam Curry: a biblical thing.
That's a biblical thing. This is
what I mean. It's like this.
It's part part religious. So
John C Dvorak: that's the only
biblical thing because they're
showing somebody playing the
piano. Somebody's harvesting
wheat couple of kids jumping up
and down in a puddle. I mean, it
the whole thing stinks. It
stinks.
Adam Curry: I'm glad we agree.
Because it bothers me. But
John C Dvorak: why you knew why
they made you think that I would
even think this was good.
Adam Curry: No, no, you boil it
down to the truth of it. It
stinks.
John C Dvorak: Well, I got it
down to one word, it sticks. It
stinks.
Adam Curry: You know their
ideas, restoring the foundations
of our civilization a better
story for a better story for the
future. addressing the
challenges of our time breaking
the inevitable path and Okay,
blah, blah, blah, blah blah, why
we need a better story and
John C Dvorak: they left a one
out soaking they you a for as
much as we can get.
Adam Curry: This is this has
been my problem with like the
alternative media for a while.
Everybody goes on each other's
podcast. Me Oh, and I'll pull
them all you know Megyn Kelly
and Victor Davis Hanson and Tim
Poole and you know that just go
around and around and around and
then they've created this this
belief vortex this vortex is
belief in themselves that
they're that they're changing
something Yeah. And it just
doesn't feel legit. No, look, I
know we're outside of that
because we don't wear headphones
and have the mics on her face
and In video, that's why we'll
never be a part of it. But I
don't think it's something you
want to be a part of. It's just
it feels disingenuous. I can't.
Well, I can't put my finger on
other than what you said it
stinks. Stinks. Stinks or
something weird. So the N
John C Dvorak: and I don't like
to logo, mark the aarC with a
little thing.
Adam Curry: And then welcome
aboard the Ark like Okay, now
we're Noah's Ark.
John C Dvorak: Yeah now Yeah,
well, there's your religious
connection not
Unknown: knocking the board now
or now we're
Adam Curry: good. We're good to
go.
John C Dvorak: That's a pun.
Yeah. Which is the lowest form
of humor?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Anyway, eyes
on Ark.
John C Dvorak: We got to make
sure we know this one got to go
nowhere. Well, I mean, it's
okay. I don't know. Well, that's
a good fine. I'll give you 10
points for that one. Well, thank
Adam Curry: you. I'll give you
one point. Fine. I'll give you
one point back for the eight
stinks. So I'll take an I think
you take one stinks. Okay. All
right. What you got
John C Dvorak: on this website?
Adam Curry: It's bugging isn't
it? What you got?
John C Dvorak: Mike? John. Yeah.
You mentioned them? Yes. I
Adam Curry: want to talk about
that's good. I caught
John C Dvorak: Kash Patel who I
really do like as an analyst. So
you do do you?
Adam Curry: I do. Do you really
do?
John C Dvorak: I do do likely.
Okay. And I think doo doo is the
right word. And he is on NTD
talking about what Johnson may
or may not be able to
accomplish. And I think it was
worth listening to it. So I made
a clip of it.
Unknown: Kash Patel, thank you
so much for joining us. Good to
be back on the show. The House
has
Adam Curry: said this is the new
Speaker of the House. The crazy
religious guy
Unknown: just elected a speaker.
Adam Curry: If he's, you know, I
can just see Mike Justin,
John C Dvorak: that's the one
thing that they can bitch and
moan about his religiosity and
all the rest of it, which he
doesn't really exhibit at all.
Except his hair cut maybe. But
this arc thing bothers me.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, if
you're on the same website with
the eyepatch, McCain, Dan
Crenshaw, I mean, you got some
soul searching to do.
Unknown: Kash Patel, thank you
so much for joining us. Good to
be back on the show. The house
has elected a speaker Mike
Johnson. He got unanimous
consent from the Republicans.
This is after three weeks
without a speaker. Why do you
think Mike Johnson one where
Scalise Jordan and ever failed?
Look at this isn't an overnight
process. You know, I know
speaker Johnson, he's a great
guy we've worked together in the
past. And in my opinion, would I
think you saw is this notion
that people who have been in
Washington forever and CO opted
by the lobbyists in defense
industrial complex and big
public interest. Their tenure at
running Washington DC, at least
for the Republican Party has
come to an end. And when we look
back in the mirror and say, you
know whether or not you like
what Representative Gates did or
not, that was the instigating
moment. And you saw a lot of
people, especially in
conservative media circles rise
up and actually participate in
this conversation. And that's
why I think you saw so many
votes for different candidates
beforehand. And what you saw in
speaker elect, Mike Johnson is a
different candidate emerge,
someone who will be critical of
the establishment and who has in
the past supported, you know,
quite arduously, President Trump
and those other individuals
don't have that track record. So
it's going to be a different
speakership, for sure. We'll
just see if he is CO opted by
the swamp or he takes the swamp
over.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's a good
point. That's a good point. He's
young enough to be totally co
opted by the swamp.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Is could
totally happen to him but being
but being a true religious
person, the likelihood is less.
Because he's not guided by the
by the greed. Glory, you'd hope.
Adam Curry: The enemy is always
on the prowl.
Unknown: Part two, to your point
during the 2020 election,
Johnson voted against certifying
the Electoral College votes in
Arizona and Pennsylvania. And
after Biden won the presidency
he called Trump telling him to
keep fighting. How do you see
Johnson uniting the Republican
Party as it were?
Well, the Republican Party has
changed the Republican Party is
jettison the likes of whether
you like them or dislike them,
Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger and
other folks, the Republican
Party has changed since Donald
Trump became president. And a
lot of people don't want to
accept that the Karl Rove's of
the world. But the reality is,
it's the right of the Republican
Party to change. And what you
saw today in speaker elect Mike
Johnson is a momentous,
prodigious change in the way the
Republican Party has shaped and
by the way, you also saw him win
by a vote margin of 220. Every
single Republican voted for him
without the conditions that were
attached to Speaker McCarthy.
He's a bit. That must mean,
everyone in Congress at least
has an huge amount of respect
for him, but believes he will
get the job done. And I think
the Republican Party will
continue to change. It's not
unlike the Democratic Party when
it changes over time. This is
allowed to happen in this
country. And you know, when
Speaker Pelosi and Hakeem
Jeffries and and Secretary of
State Clinton challenged the
election and refuse to concede
it in other elections, that was
their right to do so under the
First Amendment freedom of
speech, and that was Mike
Johnson's right to do so with
President Trump.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, he's an
election denier. That's not the
same thing. How quickly they
forget.
John C Dvorak: All right, let's
wrap it with this. He actually
this is a long interview. And he
took these three clips. And I
can kind of maybe summarize some
other stuff, he said, but I
think that clips he brings a
little a little bit for
Unknown: do you see the house
being more aggressive on this
front with Johnson as speaker,
especially with the 2024
election race heating up?
Well, that would be my advice to
him. I mean, now he has the
majority. He's got the gavel. So
you can extend subpoena power to
the chairman and women he can
call for votes of contempt of
Congress for individuals like
Chris rea Merrick Garland, who
have already violated
congressional subpoenas. And the
precedent laid out by the
Democratic January 6 committee
was those people get prosecuted
by the DOJ, or we start
defunding some pieces of those
organizations. So speaker
Johnson has that ability to do
that he can empower those
chairmen and chairwomen. He can
make a subpoena process swifter,
but he's also got to put some
teeth behind it, you can issue
all the subpoenas you want, and
Chris Ray and Merrick Garland
have basically just thrown them
in the trash. And this is a
federal contempt of proceeding
document, then the Republicans
have not acted on it. So
hopefully, Speaker Johnson will
launch into that because at the
end of the day, what the
American public deserves as a
truth, why is the FBI and DOJ
hiding these documents, whether
it's Hunter Biden, Joe Biden,
Donald Trump, or what have you
put it all out there, so we can
vote based on the truth?
Adam Curry: You know, if speaker
Johnson goes down that route,
and the first big thing he does
is the Hunter Biden stuff, then
it's lost. I mean, there's so
much more he could be doing,
don't you think?
John C Dvorak: Well, the thing
is that I think by giving the
these committee heads the
subpoena powers that they that
he has to delegate I guess, and
letting them go nuts. And it's
really not his he's not
connected to any of that, I
think would be good. Well, it
would create it would create a
carnival, but Oh, yeah. Oh,
yeah. It's very entertaining. I
get a kick out
Adam Curry: of it. And what's
interesting is in this day and
age where, you know,
particularly with the situation
in the Middle East, we've got
people talking about horrible
there's anti semitism, people
attacking people, you know, Jews
attacking Jews, Islamophobia,
attacking Muslims. Apparently
Christians are okay. Well,
that's nothing new. Well, but
Jen Psaki did a fantastic job, I
think, really? If you want to
attack someone like Mike
Johnson, which she did on her,
what's her show? Inside with Jen
SUCK IT
John C Dvorak: unwatchable. But
you managed to Washington. Good.
Unknown: So let's take a few
minutes to talk about this new
speaker. first glance, Mike
Johnson does seem fine, fine
ish, conservative. Yes. But he
wants started a civility caucus
with a Democrat. And I mean, if
nothing else, he wears a suit as
glasses. How threatening can
this guy actually be?
Adam Curry: Well, he may be
threatening? Well, he gave
Unknown: us all a little clue as
to how he would govern an
interview this week.
I'm a Bible believing Christian.
Someone asked me today in the
media, they said it's curious
people are curious, what is my
Johnson think about any issue
under the sun? I said, Well, go
pick up a Bible off your shelf
and read it. That's That's my
worldview.
You heard that right. The Bible
doesn't just inform his
worldview is his worldview. In
fact, during his first speech in
his new job, Johnson suggested
that his election as speaker was
an act of God,
Adam Curry: he didn't actually
say he never said that. He said,
we all have been ordained by God
to be lifted up to where we are
today. That's what he said. But
no, no, it was an act of God.
Unknown: Talk about a bit of a
humblebrag there so
John C Dvorak: what exactly has
got apparently by lightning
she's gonna be hit by lightning.
Unknown: So what exactly has got
apparently called on Mike
Johnson to do?
Adam Curry: Oh, now, we got to
continue the theme. So what is
what is God telling Mike Johnson
to do? This is the level of of
MSNBC now.
Unknown: Well, his views on
policy are essentially what
you'd expect from a religious
fundamentalists. They're more
divisive than they are divine.
Prior to his election to
Congress in 2016 Johnson spent
Nearly two decades working for
the hard right conservative
legal activist group the
Alliance Defending Freedom it's
a group by the way that is so
right wing it was designated a
hate group by the Southern
Poverty Law Center.
Adam Curry: Oh, there you go.
That's proof this guy is
horrible. Man, I wish we would
be deemed a hate group by the
Southern Poverty Law Center. It
might get us in a little
John C Dvorak: little won't help
us at all and we don't wish for
such things.
Adam Curry: But don't they deem
everybody a hate group
basically, the Southern Poverty
Law Center every
John C Dvorak: day deemed the
lives of tick tock but they have
a lot of they're they're so off
the rails. I wouldn't wish it
any potential by the they're
creepy. They're creeps.
Adam Curry: I'm just using that
as an example.
Unknown: The ADF has worked for
decades to blur the line between
church and state.
Adam Curry: This is this is the
issue now see, this is the same
thing that Swisher and and
Professor G we're all about
church and state it should be
separate,
Unknown: not erase it
altogether. It's kind of their
goal. They push to expand LGBT.
Adam Curry: Right. That's a goal
now but that's this is why she's
so good. She's very good at what
she's doing here curtain. See
she's
John C Dvorak: a prophet. She's
a horrible propagandist, a glib
one and she she's, she has a she
doesn't. She's not an ugly
woman. But she's not attractive
in the way that she should be
for television. And I think
she's got ratings in the toilet
because they know she doesn't
have any. There's no current
real charisma that would draw in
an audience.
Adam Curry: Also, what I'm
hearing is this is Rachel Mattos
writers. But she hasn't she's
trying she's trying, you know,
she's trying to do Rachel
John C Dvorak: Maddow had Yes.
Well, Rachel Maddow was writers
came from Oberman who was her
mentor? And she and she but
she's a comedian. She's actually
a genuine comedian. So she could
deliver lines with a kind of
sarcasm. Yes, that was a goofy
style of sarcasm that had an
attraction to a lot of people.
Yes. Who'd like to nod their
heads when Rachel talk? This
woman has no sense of humor that
I can tell.
Adam Curry: No, but it's the
same. It must be the same
writing team or influence, but
she can't deliver the line.
That's
John C Dvorak: what I mean. She
can't she because she's not
funny, correct, not
Unknown: erase it altogether.
It's kind of their goal. They
push to expand LGBTQ plus
discrimination in the name of
religious freedom.
Adam Curry: I love so they
disagree with LGBTQ so they are
pushing for everything against
LGBTQ freedom.
Unknown: And they were a big
part of the effort to overturn
Roe v. Wade. Following the
supreme court
Adam Curry: overturn Roe v.
Wade, the Supreme Court did that
or its 2003
Unknown: ruling that struck down
the country sodomy laws as
unconstitutional. Johnson
criticized the decision and
wrote in favor of criminalizing
gay sex. He claimed that, quote,
states have always maintained
the right to discourage the
evils of sexual conduct outside
Adam Curry: of marriage. It's
not quite the same as
criminalizing. And in 2000 is
John C Dvorak: one of those
examples where you say one thing
and then you use an example that
isn't the same as wrong. And
this is the lowest form of
journalism, and
Adam Curry: it's about the state
sodomy laws. And he says
something completely different
according to her quote, three
Unknown: ruling that struck down
the country sodomy laws as
unconstitutional. Johnson
criticized the decision and
wrote in favor of criminalizing
gay sex. He claimed the quote,
states have always maintained
the right to discourage the
evils of sexual conduct outside
of marriage.
Adam Curry: That doesn't mean
gay sex necessarily outside of
marriage, any sex. Not that I'm
on board with what he's saying.
But it mean, come on. Come on.
Pataki.
Unknown: Then in 2004, Johnson
wrote that homosexual
relationships are inherently
unnatural, ultimately harmful,
and a dangerous lifestyle. You
have to be a religious scholar
to know whether discrimination
is a key tenet of the Bible.
It's not and then there is this
John C Dvorak: never read the
Bible. That was my favorite
Unknown: law. homosexual
relationships are inherently
unnatural, ultimately harmful,
and a dangerous lifestyle. Say
it again. No, exactly. Has to be
a religious scholar to know
whether discrimination is a key
tenant of the Bible. It's not.
And then there is his policy on
gun violence. Speaker Johnson
wants to talk about anything but
guns and 2016 He actually blamed
school shootings on no fault
divorce laws, radical feminism,
and legal abortion.
Adam Curry: I've got I've got to
find worse. I love that part.
Maybe the SSRIs
Unknown: quite a stretch there.
Then there's the obvious
question of how Johnson's
convictions square with his
fierce loyalty to Donald Trump.
John C Dvorak: That's obvious. I
get the sense you brought this
this Rachel thing in. I'm now
listening to her and trying to
hear Rachel and I can see where
this material would work with
Rachel totally.
Adam Curry: She can do it. She
has that snide kind of
deliveries a
John C Dvorak: snide, a certain
kind. It's a it's a Beyonds. You
know, Saki likes to think she's
snide. But compared to Rachel
Matt out, no, she's not even
close, Rachel, Matt out, has
snide to the extreme extreme.
And if she could pull this off
and make it and get people
nodding their heads suck is not
pulling it off. It's just like
mad blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. It's too monotone.
Adam Curry: I wish that we had
AI that could change this from
soccer. We could we Rachel
Maddow.
John C Dvorak: I mean, they're
it's doable, but we're not gonna
do it because it's time
consuming and stupid. But you
just do it in your own head.
Adam Curry: We got 30 seconds
left,
Unknown: a guy who has been
married multiple times paid hush
money to a porn star. Oh, boy.
Adam Curry: All right. How can
he even think about Donald Trump
because he's a he's
Unknown: in 2016. He actually
blamed school shootings on no
fault divorce laws, radical
feminism, and legal abortion.
It's all quite a stretch there.
Then there's the obvious
question of how Johnson's
convictions square with his
fierce loyalty to Donald Trump.
A guy who has been married
multiple times paid hush money
to a porn star and joked about
grabbing women.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, you can't
like him as a church. God
fearing man. That's no good.
There's no repentance, there's
no forgiveness. I would love to
Unknown: know what passage in
the Bible told Johnson to become
one of the most important
architects behind Trump's effort
to overturn the 2020 election.
Which passage? Was it God
whispering in his ear to ignore
the Constitution and
disenfranchise millions of
voters? It's hard not to think
that Mike Johnson's idea of what
America should be is drastically
out of line with what America
actually is. He clearly
envisions a country that's less
democratic and less tolerant,
and then explain why he seems
more comfortable with the
America of the 18th century than
the America of today.
Adam Curry: Are there no
democratic Christians?
John C Dvorak: To know all
Christians are atheists sinners?
They're all atheist. The whole
Democrat party. I can't believe
that. Or Satanists. They could
be Satanists. I don't know. I
don't understand the difference
between an atheist and a
Satanist. It doesn't sound
right. Yeah. sounds right to me.
Adam Curry: My goodness. Yeah,
you're
John C Dvorak: right. This is
written by Rachel Rachel's
writers. Yeah, they had this
down to a tee. They were writing
for her voice. Yep. That which
is not easy. By the way. When
you get a right if you're right,
if you're reading from a
prompter, and somebody's writing
for your voice, it's the
greatest experience of your
life. Yeah. And you just read
and read and you sound like
you're talking. And Rachel had
their best. And so these guys,
she kind of quit, who doesn't
what once a month show or
something now. And so the what
are we going to do? Well, Jen
sock has got a new show. Let's
write for her. And it's like,
oh, she's, she's not delivering
our material correctly. We're
Adam Curry: right and they've
done as they put clown mascara
on her. By you know, you have to
take a look at one of her recent
shows. I haven't
John C Dvorak: seen it for a few
months. You know, they have like
they clump it together when you
put a big red nose on her than
Adam Curry: that I would watch
our boys, our Russian boys, VO
Vaughn and Alexis struck again.
John C Dvorak: Oh, those
Adam Curry: guys are the best. I
love these guys. VO Vaughn and
Lexus. It's amazing how I mean,
now all of this, you know, as
I'm watching this, or this
actually, you know, I'm
listening to it. I'm thinking
this could all be a deep fake. I
have no idea what Giorgio
Maloney sounds like at length,
speaking in English to use the
prime minister would be a denial
if that was true. There is no
denial that I'm aware of yet. If
there's no denial, then it's not
a deep fake.
John C Dvorak: I mean, denials.
You have to add maybe this one
thing that should be been
discussed in Bletchley, which is
that people have to be quicker
on the draw to denying things.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. So they do
her by posing as an African
politician. It's unclear as of
now. Which country in Africa and
it's very interesting, because
after a while, the I don't know
it's vo Vaughn Alexis who were
speaking, they sound pretty much
like a Russian African
president. Just you know, it's a
phone call or it's a zoom call,
or I don't know, I pulled two
clips from it's about 13 minutes
in total. And the first is about
the illegal immigration. And
that's going on. And that's just
a couple of things that were
interesting that popped up in
this first bit.
Unknown: ageing. Hi. Prime
Minister's nice to hear you.
Nice to meet you. So thank you
for your time. And how are you?
I'm good. I'm good. Now, I heard
many news. So what is
the situation is a bit
difficult. Anyway, this
situation is very difficult for
us to, to manage in this time
we've had from the beginning of
the year. So in seven months,
nine months, more than 120,000
people, okay, mostly from
Tunisia.
Adam Curry: This is interesting.
So it's, we this is not really
reported as such. So, and it's
not that much compared to the
United States, but 120,000,
mainly from Tunisia, who have
come into Italy
Unknown: situation, which is
very difficult on every side. On
the south, the humanitarian
side, the logistics side, the
security side. So I'm having and
what I see is that these flows
risk to be increased for the
situation that's going on in
Africa, for over in hell, but
also with the problem of the
grain and all the problems. So
you know, quite better than me,
we are working also in the
European Union, for a memorandum
with Tunisia to help not only
managing migration, I mean, my
idea is always that you have to
do both things. From one side. I
agree. Absolutely.
Adam Curry: So there's something
up with Tunisia, that where
there's not really being
reported on and she says, you
know, you know, better than I do
about the grain, okay, so are
people starving? It's always
like Arab Spring kicked off in
Tunisia. So gotta keep our eyes
on Tunisia. Now comes I think,
the best part of this, of this
hoax, which I just love, that
these I love that these
politicians that they fall for
this is it makes you wonder
John C Dvorak: what else they
fall for? All kinds of stuff.
Climate change,
Adam Curry: oh, well, he or she
basically, says the quiet part
out loud about Ukraine. How do
Unknown: you estimate the
conflict in Iraq between Ukraine
and Russia? How long it will
take you
Adam Curry: sound like Does he
not sound like a Russian at this
point?
John C Dvorak: How How long
sound like a Russia?
Unknown: How do you estimate the
conflict between Ukraine and
Russia? How long it will take to
understand it is? What is the
position? Are you in
conversations with the
President? So?
Well, I see it, there is a lot
of fatigue, I have to say that,
from all the sites, we near the
moment in which everybody
understands that we need, we
need a way. The problem is to
find a way out, which can be
acceptable for both without
destroying the international
law. I've got some ideas about
it on how to manage this
situation. But I'm waiting for
understood one, to the right
moment, try to put on the table
these ideas I've gotten.
Adam Curry: So there's a little
more to this. So she says
everybody is sick and tired of
this crap is basically what
she's saying, we're tired. We
need a way out. We need to stop
this. This is not working for
anybody. And then she says,
Well, I have some ideas. I don't
believe she has ideas. But then
it gets really weird after this
next bit that you see
Unknown: that you do this. But
you see that Ukraine is not so
Ukraine is not so successful, as
we expected. As we all expected,
for the spring,
the counter offensive of Ukraine
is maybe not going as they were
expecting. It is going but it
didn't change. I mean,
Adam Curry: now listen to this
next week, this is really weird.
Unknown: The destiny of the
conflict. So everybody
understand that it really could
last many years if we don't try
to find some solutions. Problem
is which is the solution
acceptable for both without
opening other countries? Or you
know, you know what I think
about Libya, maybe you don't
know but we should this we could
discuss it for hours my my
friend What happened to Libya
for maybe today? Somebody
understands that the situation
after was not so good.
Adam Curry: What is this with
Libya? Do they plan on killing
Zelinsky and turning it into
Libya? Well,
John C Dvorak: for one thing,
her commentary about Liberty, we
have to remember that Libya used
to be an Italian state.
Adam Curry: Yes. So it's so
store Brickley. Right.
John C Dvorak: And so what
happened in Libya? She's not
happy about because it was the
United it was NATO at our behest
to Hillary's behest Yes, to
destroy them. And of course, we
are in our show we we looted to
the fact that it was Qaddafi was
trying to undercut the American
dollar, right with gold or gold,
this gold dinar. And so you, you
don't do that. But so she I
don't know what she's referring
to about Libya. But it's
possible that she's making
making an illusion that Ukraine
is going to become a mess like
Libya. Which I don't see that
happening, because Russia would
just take it over.
Adam Curry: Well, there's a Time
Magazine had a big piece on
Zelinsky. And Time Magazine.
John C Dvorak: Yes, it did got
got played up everywhere.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but the part
that didn't get played up about
the corruption because because
that was in the article, but
John C Dvorak: I didn't listen
to Newsweek or time that had the
piece where they had his
assistants associate saying he's
out of control. He's lost it.
Adam Curry: Yes. It was his let
me see on Andriy Yermak,
Presidential Chief of Staff
referring to the bunker that
Zelinsky and a few of his
confidence have called home.
We're not out there living the
high life. He says all day,
we're busy fighting this war,
amid all pressure to root out
corruption. I assume this is the
journalist perhaps naively that
officials in Ukraine would think
twice before taking a bribe or
pocketing state funds. But when
I made this point to a top
presidential adviser in early
October, he asked me to turn off
my audio recorder so we could
speak more freely, quote, Simon,
you're mistaken. He says, People
are stealing, like there's no
tomorrow. And then they go on to
say that Zelinsky is delusional
is the word the term they use.
Yeah, delusional Time Magazine.
Isn't that owned by Reed
Hoffman, not at Reed Hoffman
John C Dvorak: the No, that's
Newsweek. You're thinking of?
Adam Curry: Who owns I thought
Time magazine was also
John C Dvorak: take a you know,
it's not sorry, should be Time
Warner
Adam Curry: Marc Benioff, Marc
Benioff. Yeah, he owns it. He
bought he buy it in 2019 at the
end of 2019. And then he's the
Salesforce guy, huge Democrat.
John C Dvorak: So his victim so
he's Yeah, he's a huge Democrat,
but he's not a progressive. I
say that because he's buddies
with Schwarzenegger.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but I don't
know man. This is that's weird
ad hoc. That's M five m should
not be letting that news out.
That's that's not on board with
me. That was the idea. And
hence, it was meant to go out
hence the Libyan solution. Hmm.
Yeah, that I fear I fear for our
our Coke snorting friend. Things
don't look good for him.
John C Dvorak: Well, we've said
that before. Yeah, on this show
will be a year ago we've been
we've been quite done by quite
wrong not necessarily wrong.
Sometimes these things take time
to kill
Adam Curry: somebody mine
magazine. So I have I have a
series of clips. And I'm very
confused. Not about the clips.
But about the response from the
White House. And everyone has
seen this happening. This is the
main M five M news of the day
Unknown: this morning growing
concerns over the rise of anti
semitic incidents on college
campuses across the country. The
latest at Cornell University
Police regarding the Center for
Jewish living and the president
of the school has notified the
FBI of a possible hate crime.
After she says a quote series of
horrendous anti semitic messages
threatening violence were posted
online.
Adam Curry: So that's NBC in the
morning. Here's NBC in the
evening. Tonight, the US is
condemning this pro Palestinian
mob that stormed an airport in
Russia looking for Jews.
Hundreds of men some carrying
banners with anti semitic
slogans rushed onto the tarmac
searching for Israeli passengers
around the world demonstrations
calling for a ceasefire in the
Israel Hamas war. And then we've
got CNN, a 21 year
Unknown: old student has been
arrested for making anti Semitic
online threats against the
Jewish community at Cornell
University. He did not enter a
plea during his first appearance
in federal court today. This is
happening as the number of anti
semitic threats is clearly on
the rise across the United
States since the Hamas attacks
against Israel. Then we have
Adam Curry: CBS,
Unknown: New York State Police
are now standing guard outside
the Cornell Center for Jewish
living. After authorities say
Patrick dye, a junior
engineering student at Cornell
threatened to kill Jewish
students, including those who
eat at this kosher dining hall.
Adam Curry: So what does our
what does our administration do?
And this was a very long clip
from our vice president, I made
an edit which I've made clear
with a with a sound effect. But
this is the intro and the payoff
of her announcement.
Unknown: Our nation was founded
on the fundamental principle
that all people should have the
freedom to live, to worship, and
to be without fear of violence
or persecution.
Adam Curry: No, actually, it's
the pursuit of life, liberty,
and happiness. It's not exactly
what you said, but okay, well
let you slide is your
interpretation.
Unknown: Every person has the
right to live safe from
violence, and bigotry. And for
those reasons, and so many more,
President Joe Biden and I have a
duty not only to keep the people
of our nation safe, but to
condemn unequivocally and
forcefully, all forms of hate.
And today, we take another
important step forward in our
fight against hate. For years,
Muslims in America and those
perceived to be Muslim have
endured a disproportionate
number of hate fueled attacks.
As a result of the Hamas
terrorist attack in Israel and
the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
We have seen an uptick in anti
Palestinian, anti Arab, anti
semitic and Islamophobic
incidents across America,
including the brutal attack of a
Palestinian American woman who
was Muslim, and the killing of
her six year old son.
Adam Curry: So everyone is
talking about the Jew hate. And
they they put out a statement
about Islamophobia. What?
John C Dvorak: Well, on the
cover sheet, it says
Islamophobia and anti semitism,
but it's what the announcement
was about. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well listen to the
last 45 seconds,
Unknown: a senseless act of
violence, that the Department of
Justice is investigating as a
hate crime. For so many people
in our nation, the past few days
and weeks, have brought about
all too familiar fears, fears
that they will be targeted,
profiled or attacked, simply
because of who they are, how
they worship, or how they look.
And so today, I am proud to
announce the Biden Harris
administration will develop our
nation's first national strategy
to counter Islamophobia. This
strategy will be a comprehensive
and detailed plan to protect
Muslims and those proceeds to be
Muslim from hate, bigotry and
violence.
Adam Curry: So this can only be
that the the binary, the second
part of the binary movement,
which is, you know, getting
young people in universities to
be all pro Palestine, free
Palestine, as we know, organized
by x blue by the Democrat Party
and their handlers. This is the
payoff were with you. We are
with you. The problem is clearly
Islamophobia, when obviously
that's not the segment of
Americans who are afraid. It's
very twisted.
John C Dvorak: It's totally
twisted. I don't I'm in
agreement. I've seen the same
exact structure that you spotted
here. Doesn't make a lot of
sense unless the Democrat party
has decided to give up on the on
the Democrat Jews most Jews in
the United States are Democrats.
There's very few of them that
aren't Yeah, it's a very the
number I think is under 20%. Or
maybe Republicans. And I think
that they're given up on the on
the on the Jewish vote. Wow,
troublesome that they
troublesome group. And they're
that trouble. And they're all in
with the trans Maoists and the
rest of them that hate the Jews.
And they bailed. I mean, the
Democrats, I don't understand
the thinking behind Jews voting
for Democrats, or blacks voting
for Democrats. It has never made
any sense to me if you just look
at the track record.
Adam Curry: NBC Today, took it
one step further, I guess trying
to give it a little bit of a
Donald Trump slant to it
Unknown: as Israel's war against
Hamas. US rages on a dire
warning from FBI director
Christopher rea.
Adam Curry: The ongoing war in
the Middle East has raised the
threat of an attack against
Americans in the United States
to a whole nother level.
Unknown: Oh Ray telling the
Senate Homeland Security
Committee The FBI is concerned
violent extremists will be
inspired by Hamas and other
foreign terrorist groups to
attack Americans.
Adam Curry: We assess that the
actions of Hamas and its allies
will serve as an inspiration the
likes of which we haven't seen
since ISIS launched its so
called caliphate several years
ago.
Unknown: It comes as this
morning The FBI says it now has
a suspect in custody in
connection with violent online
threats targeting Jewish
students at Cornell University.
According to prosecutors 21 year
old Patrick Daya Jr. at the Ivy
League school is facing federal
charges for a series of posts
allegedly threatening to kill
Jewish people at the college and
shoot up a campus building. The
anti Defamation League says it
seen a nearly 400% increase in
reported anti semitic incidents
compared to the same period last
year, with college students
frequently targeted
when we are hearing from
students who are saying that
they are being harassed.
Concerned about being visibly
Jewish, I think is really
concerning.
On Tuesday, FBI Director Ray
highlighted the alarming surge
in anti semitic hate nationwide.
Adam Curry: This is a threat
that is reaching in some way
sort of historic levels,
Unknown: all part of his warning
that threats against both
American Jews and Muslims are
growing inflamed since the war
began, including the killing of
a six year old Palestinian
American child in Illinois,
allegedly at the hands of his
family's landlord. Raising the
FBI also arrested a man in
Houston who was studying how to
build bombs and posted online
about his support for killing
Jews.
Adam Curry: I think this is all
anti Trump rhetoric and subtle
propaganda.
John C Dvorak: Well, firstly, I
have a couple of thoughts on
this. Okay. First of all, do you
recall about a year or two ago
when there's all this news and
Oh, anti Asian Pacific, anti
Asian hate, and they were
promoting it in the media that
is and then you'd get one or two
incidents here and there.
They're usually some dumb shit
that beat up some old, old
Chinese woman in San Francisco
or something like that. Yeah,
but they were promoting as this
was a major trend. And it's
like, they're trying to make
this happen. That guy who is a
21 year old who's on social
media, posting all these threats
and all the rest of it. That has
to be a hoax. There's no normal
person that's going to do that.
Because they know what the
results are gonna be. You're
gonna get arrested. You can't do
that. Nobody does that anymore.
That's old school. That's before
people realize you can't do
that. This is bullcrap that
story is nonsense. And then they
keep bringing up the only
instance instance they seem to
be one to find about a Muslim is
that little kid who was who was
killed by a maniac, if anyone's
used see a picture of the so
called landlord. This is all
ginned up that everything about
it is ginned up for some
purpose. You might be right, it
might have something to do with
Trump.
Adam Curry: People turn off your
televisions, leave your phone in
the desk drawer, be like JCD,
you'll be much happier for it
and much happier for
John C Dvorak: going to whole
year. And I love this is
somebody other than they always
get the same response. Oh,
really? Well, then how come I
can text you? I said because
they use Google Voice Google
Voice. It's on the computer. I
get the text on the computer.
Oh, Allah. Am I talking to you
on now? Landline?
Adam Curry: I loved Horowitz?
What if you have an emergency
and you're like, I'm not a
doctor. My patients don't need
me immediately. What if you're
stranded by the side of the
road? What do you do? And you
said, I just wait until someone
comes by to help me.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, so you do
you live in
Adam Curry: such a beautiful
world? Everybody. I wish
everyone could live in your
reality. Yes, yes, I know. I
know. Here's what the Israeli
envoy did in the at the United
Nations Security Council,
Unknown: as Israel was
increasingly criticized by UN
Security Council members for its
massive bombardment of Gaza. In
the middle of the emergency
meeting, the Israeli ambassador
pin the yellow status jackets.
Some of you have forgotten why
this body was established. Just
like my grandparents and the
grandparents of millions of
Jews. From now on. My team and I
will wear yellow stars. We will
wear this star until you condemn
the atrocities of hummus and
demand the immediate release of
our hostages.
The gesture was swiftly
criticized by Israel's Holocaust
Memorial, which urged the
ambassador to wear the Israeli
flag instead, saying the ACT
disgraced her locust victims, an
episode that illustrates the
debate and deep divisions within
the UN Security Council.
Adam Curry: You know, it really
sucks when? When the Jewish
Holocaust Museum was it take
that star off? That's not right.
Unknown: For a draft resolutions
have already been rejected since
the war began three weeks ago.
One blocked by Russia and China
because it did not clearly call
for a ceasefire Alliance. Others
stopped by the US because they
failed to mention Israel's right
to defend itself.
Adam Curry: So the UN is just
useless, useless. But Netanyahu
man, he threw out like he did
the
John C Dvorak: speech. He really
looks bad, by the way. Ah, yeah.
Adam Curry: He's not long for
this gig, that's for sure. And
he threw he did a whole bunch of
things and like, What are you
talking about? He threw out a
33. He threw out an axis of
evil. And well, this is just a
short bit from his televised
speech, which is an English so I
presume it's meant for the
international community.
Unknown: I'm asked as also
preventing foreign nationals
from leaving Gaza altogether.
And most despicably Hamas is
holding over 200 Israeli
hostages, including 33 Children,
holding them, terrorizing them,
keeping them as hostages. Every
civilized nation should stand
with Israel, and demanding that
these hostages be freed
immediately and freed
unconditionally. I want to make
clear Israel's position
regarding the ceasefire, just as
the United States would not
agree to a ceasefire after the
bombing of Pearl Harbor, or
after the terrorist attacks of
911. Israel will not agree to a
cessation of hostilities with
Hamas. After the horrific
attacks of October 7.
Adam Curry: Notice how October 7
is supposed to be the new dates
you know, we have 911 We have
gold January 6 was worse than
any of this but okay, well just
let not in Yeah, yeah, have it.
October 7. This is the date.
Remember, October 7, never
again,
Unknown: calls for a ceasefire,
or calls for Israel to surrender
to Hamas, to surrender to
terrorism.
Adam Curry: He's not
surrendering, there's not going
to be a ceasefire that's clear,
Unknown: to surrender to
barbarism. barbarism, that will
not happen. Ladies and
gentlemen, the Bible says that
there is a time for peace, and a
time for war.
Adam Curry: I love this, because
this is Ecclesiastes three. And
the actual Bible quote is
there's a time for war and a
time for peace. But he kind of
twist that around, which I think
is interesting.
Unknown: This is a time for war,
a war for a common future. Today
we draw a line between the
forces of civilization and the
forces of barbarism. It is a
time for everyone to decide
where they stand.
Adam Curry: By the way. I don't
think if I if we were to advise
him. I don't think we would say
it's a war against civilization
and barbarism. But it just
doesn't sound right. Terrorism
is a good word. Now, barbarism?
Yeah, barbarism
John C Dvorak: is a pretty
archaic term. Yeah,
Adam Curry: it's not a good it's
not good. Doesn't
John C Dvorak: sound good. You
could do better than that.
Unknown: Israel will stand
against the forces of barbarism
until victory. I hope and pray
that civilized nations
everywhere will back this fight.
Because Israel's fight is your
fight because of Hamas and
Iran's Axis of Evil when you
will be their next target.
Adam Curry: There you go. The
Hamas.
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah, I
have to say this, the image some
of the images from coming out of
Gaza, talk about realizing oh,
yeah. And they're doing a hell
of a job now I have a bunch of
clips from the head of Hamas,
which you'll never hear on any
American broadcast. that I
thought would be an interesting
contrast so we get least
somewhat gets
Adam Curry: some get another by
the way. Do you want the
official Arabic pronunciation
guide as we requested? Oh, yes,
John C Dvorak: somebody wrote a
saying you're pronouncing Hamas
wrong and and that's not Hamas
and Hezbollah didn't know what
you're doing. So yes, I would
like to hear this.
Adam Curry: Now. This now this
now this is controversial, of
course, because this is the
Arabic way of pronouncing Hamas
and Hezbollah. Not the Israeli
way. Alright, so there's a
difference. So this is the
Arabic pronunciation of what I
was saying Hamas No. Mas Nash.
Hamas is not the same as Hamas.
Okay. Not
John C Dvorak: the mass. Mass
Now,
Adam Curry: the important one is
Hezbollah or is it Hezbollah?
What is it this this will be as
important as key or key F? This
will be how you identify
yourself as Hezbollah,
John C Dvorak: Hezbollah,
Adam Curry: Hezbollah,
John C Dvorak: Hezbollah
Adam Curry: Hezbollah whoa la
Hezbollah okay, just
John C Dvorak: we're gonna keep
going our merry way was Hamas
and Hamas As a law law law, I'm
not going to pronounce it that
Adam Curry: has read.
John C Dvorak: So this was, I
believe on Al Jazeera or
someplace and it was the hammer
the Hamas to Hamas leader and I
just thought it was interesting
because there's an analysis in
the third clip that's unique.
Unknown: I'm asked his political
leader has given a televised
address in it smell honey, I
accused Israel's Prime Minister
of this
Adam Curry: is his name Ishmael.
Literally is
John C Dvorak: it by started
over and now listen to the way
he does. This is Algis zero, so
they're gonna pronounce it the
Arab Arab way. Yes. And I didn't
just different.
Unknown: It's it's Melania,
Israel's Prime Minister of
destroying the entire region to
save himself and his family from
prison. He said Hamas had
offered Benjamin Netanyahu was
government a prisoner swap deal
as a start of a way out of the
conflict now, and he called on
countries, especially the United
States to stop supplying weapons
to Israel. All right.
John C Dvorak: So this has to do
with Netanyahu getting arrested?
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's why
Hamas, and you're doing this
attack to begin with to help him
I mean, this. Okay, well, let's
like, just let's just listen to
this guy. Oh, anything? Yeah.
Unknown: What are the major
reasons for this war was
Netanyahu who's leading a far
right racist and fascist group,
and is thinking of saving
himself and his family from
prison, even at the expense of
destroying the entire region.
Before the war, we met with all
the parties about the continued
rule of Netanyahu and his
fascist government, about their
reckless behavior. Wow. So
Adam Curry: he's so these guys
are in line with the protesters
who were protesting Netanyahu.
John C Dvorak: You talked about
the protesters in Israel? Yes.
Adam Curry: He said we when we
met with all the groups Oh, you
know that
John C Dvorak: this is the weird
thing about it is is the queers
for Palestine. Let's keep going.
Look, wait. If you look into the
that judicial thing, and you
really start digging into it, it
goes back to one of the justices
who became the head of it back
in the 90s, who was a super
progressive that started
implementing all kinds of I
would hate to use the word I'm
not going to like it woke
policies in Israel, right and
started introducing, in fact,
there was a picture in the
Israeli Jerusalem news, saying
that Tel Aviv is the world's
World's Biggest gay city. Yes,
there's something up with trans
Maoism, the Israeli judicial
system, and Palestine. And it's
none of it makes any real sense.
But it's interesting to kind of
let these guys talk and go
figure it out. I
Adam Curry: think it makes
perfect sense what I'm hearing
him say, well, listen again. He
said, I met with all the groups
who hated Netanyahu because he's
a dictator, which is all
predicate and all based on this
these protests, including the
factions of the IDF. We had the
clips, even the lesbian
helicopter pilot, who said, Oh,
no, we're just not going to
serve this guy anymore. We're
not going to participate. And
now this, this Izmail guy is
saying, Well, we had meetings
with them. And you know, this,
Netanyahu is a bad guy. He's
gotta go because you know,
Quaestor, Palestine, I guess
Unknown: foldable, we met with
all the parties about the
continued rule of Netanyahu and
his fascist government, but
their reckless behavior,
desecrating Christian and Muslim
holy sites, continuing with
illegal and unlawful
settlements, unleashing settlers
to kill and harass our people.
We have warned repeatedly that
this will not go on punished, it
will explode at any time to curb
this criminal and his gang.
Unfortunately, these warnings
fell on deaf ears as our allies
continued to back him with his
racist fascist policies.
Adam Curry: Well, what happened
to death to Jews? That's what
this guy is supposed to be
saying. No, it's all deaf to
Netanyahu. This is this is very
interesting.
Unknown: Here we are. Once
again, Netanyahu has no problem
to turn the entire region into
scorched land, or simply to save
himself and those around him.
The movement has provided a
comprehensive perspective,
starting by ending the
aggression, opening the border,
the prisoner swap deal, and
ending with a revival of the
political and diplomatic
movement towards the
establishment of an independent
state of Jerusalem as its
capital with a right of self
determination. However,
Netanyahu and his gang are
misleading his own people and
providing false promises, which
cannot or will not be achieved.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is very
interesting. I mean, who knows
what the truth is, of course,
but this
John C Dvorak: this we have to
everyone's life.
Adam Curry: Everybody's fault of
it. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: But at least you
get their side of the their side
of it.
Adam Curry: So he's saying what
he's saying Because Netanyahu
himself is stopping the peaceful
ideas that are on the table,
which is Am I hearing to state
solution with Jerusalem as an
independent study
John C Dvorak: kind of said
yeah. Okay. Jerusalem being the
capital of the New Palestine is
a non starter no matter that's
not gonna happen I like to think
now although it's kind of a
divided city as it is. Alright.
Now we get to part three which
has an analysis in here I
thought was interesting.
Unknown: We remind the countries
and states supporting the
Zionist regime legitimizing the
pogrom perpetrated by them
against our people, chiefly the
United States of America, we
remind them that they must back
down on these obsolete
imperialistic policies and
refrain from providing military
aid to this fascist regime. We
call on them to stop preventing
the international will, aiming
at ending the hostilities and
opening the border crossings.
This is what we witnessed in the
UN General Assembly to them and
we say you are standing on the
other side of history, the
present, the region and beyond
cannot enjoy peace and
stability. As long as our
established rights of the
Palestinians are not restored,
the rights of freedom, the
independence and the return of
refugees.
Joining us from Washington, DC
now is Benjamin Friedman. He's
the policy director at defense
priorities a US foreign policy
think tank. Okay. So what do you
think is her massive strategy
here? Even as we continue to see
Israel's relentless bombardment?
Well, it
seems like Hamas is now eager to
get public opinion globally on
their side and push Israel to
negotiate some kind of
settlement. I don't think Hamas
imagines that they'll get a real
movement towards Palestinians,
Palestinian state and with
Jerusalem as its capital anytime
in the near future by that
thereby sounding reasonable.
More like the PLO, or the non
annihilationist. Palestinian
movement, I guess they think
they can get get a win more
public support and maybe
increased pressure on Israel to
stop the stop the war and
negotiate.
John C Dvorak: Okay, so that
seems to be working. Because of
all the protests we see in this
country with all these kids. And
who's, like I said in the
newsletter, there's a picture in
there, who's producing all these
Palestinian flags? Yeah, that's
a money maker.
Adam Curry: The same people did
the Ukraine flags. Hello?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Well,
whoever those people that flag
company should, you know, this
should go public. So let's just
get into this.
Unknown: In your view, does
Israel actually have an end game
here? Or is this largely about
vengeance?
It seems like vengeance is
playing a large role. If it's
not all that's going on, it's
hard to figure out what the
Israeli endgame is, or you know,
how this war serves a political
and they say they want to
annihilate Hamas. That's easy to
understand, given what happened
on the seventh, but it's it's I
think, not going to be possible
to have anyone run Gaza, as long
as there's Palestinians there,
other than Hamas, or something
that looks like it, Hamas 2.0,
maybe a more radical ISIS 2.0
version. So I don't think the
Israelis want to be in charge of
Gaza, running it as a police
state. So it's difficult for me
to figure out where they think,
where they think this is all
headed other than maybe just
going day by day and killing as
many Hamas fighters as they can
and figuring the politics will
be worked out eventually.
How concerned do you think is
America not to get drawn into a
wider regional conflict? And
yet, there's still no call from
Joe Biden for a ceasefire?
Well, yeah, the President hasn't
called for a ceasefire, beyond
this humanitarian pause thing
that the administration has been
repeating. And I don't think
they will. I don't think they
feel whatever there is in their
deepest hearts. I don't think
they feel politically able to
separate themselves that much
from Israel. So I think avoiding
escalation should be the US main
goal, most realistic goal
politically and avoiding getting
drawn into war with Iran. And
one way I think we do that is by
limiting the damage Iranian
proxy forces are linked militias
in Iraq and Syria can do, which
means I think getting our forces
out of Iraq and particularly
Syria, which I think we should
have left years ago in any case.
Adam Curry: Okay, so there's so
many people Bennett first of
all, war is great for business.
Great. War is a racket Smedley
Butler,
John C Dvorak: and it is great
for business. We talked about
this in the horror would show
wartime economies are always
winners. But after the war, it's
a nightmare. Yeah, like after
Vietnam? Yeah, the 70s were a
nightmare. So,
Adam Curry: on one hand, we have
the political part, which is,
Hey, man, we should call for a
pause. Come on Israel, you
should pause not ceasefire, but
we call it a pause, this and
then we have the White House and
the Democrat party in America
are all pro pro Palestine, let's
just call it anti Islamophobic.
And then we have the Republican
side, which is the crazy
Christian, Mike Johnson, oh,
he's gonna give more money and
more weapons to the Jews. So you
can see how these lines are
being divided. I mean, it's so
obvious. And the true winner, of
course, is the military
industrial complex. And they are
all over this thing. Like, yeah,
let's get into Iran. Yeah, come
on ABC do some
Unknown: stories us launch
retaliatory strikes this week in
Syria, against Iranian proxy
rocks, there was an attack the
next day on American troops,
there have been about 20. So
far, is Iran really getting the
message? And if they don't, what
happens?
Adam Curry: Well, the President
has been very straightforward on
this. If American troops are
attacked by Iran, and its
proxies, we will respond, we did
respond, if attacks continue, we
will respond. And I think the
Iranians understand our message.
And we, of course, are taking
every measure necessary to
protect our forces, to increase
our vigilance, and to work with
other countries in the region to
try to keep this conflict that
is currently in Israel and Gaza,
from spinning out into a
regional conflict. But the risk
is real. And therefore vigilance
is high. And the steps that
we're taking to deter that and
prevent that are serious,
systematic and ongoing, the bulk
of the steps we're taking to get
into the war, we just need to
drop one word proxies. If we can
just say Iran instead of uranium
proxy,
John C Dvorak: there's no
where's the evidence of this?
Zero?
Adam Curry: There's no evidence.
How about this?
John C Dvorak: This has Gulf of
Tonkin written all over it? Oh,
no, they're attacked us again.
Oh, let's show some pictures.
Adam Curry: So I got a note from
a father of a father or uncle of
one of the one of the servicemen
who is indeed at a Ford
operating base in Syria. I mean,
this is all true. We have bases
there. I mean, it's not like a
huge base like Iraq, the green
zone, but of course, we got
bases there. We need to spend
more money on military. And here
is the Deutsche Avella.
John C Dvorak: We weren't, by
the way, it should be mentioned,
we were never allowed to have
the base there by the country
itself by the sovereign nation.
No, no, it's not like our bases
in Germany where you know, they
like is there. Could we spend
money? Yeah, we're not doing
anything for the Syrian economy,
I can assure you.
Adam Curry: Here's Deutsche
Avella, asking what an
escalation in the region could
mean,
Unknown: before Russia's
invasion of Ukraine, there was
relatively little public
awareness of how much the world
relied on Ukraine for the supply
of grain, or how much Europe
dependent on Russia for its
energy supply. Now, as the
devastating conflict continues
to unfold in the Middle East,
some are beginning to wonder
what the bigger economic
ramifications might be.
Adam Curry: What do you think?
What do you think the bigger
economic ramifications might be?
Could it be dead people? are
babies die worse than your
babies we kill your babies
better is that what's important?
Unknown: Especially when it
comes to the global supply of
oil you go be affected if Iran
were to become more embroiled in
the conflict. The region is also
a key shipping route with
disruption to key waterways like
the Suez Canal and the Strait of
Hormuz, potentially causing
delays in deliveries. And
Earlier I spoke to Carsten
jetski, Chief Economist at ING,
I asked him what a possible
escalation involving Iran could
mean for the global supply of
oil.
Indeed, I think this is where
this contract will have bigger
repercussions for the rest of
the world. So just looking at
trade is is very naive. But oil
is an extremely important one we
saw already when when the the
terroristic attacks on Israel
have started, that oil price has
started to surge. If you're one
way or the other was to be
involved in this conflict, Iran
being an important producer of
oil, if the entire Middle East
would somehow or one way or the
other be involved in this
conflict. With as a result,
maybe even sanctions coming from
the US on Iran on other
countries. This would then
clearly have a big impact on oil
producing countries. Therefore
we would see all prices going
up. If this if this conflict was
to escalate, we could really see
all prices going above $100 per
barrel very easily.
Adam Curry: Oh, oh, at least we
know what's important. The
conflict escalates, oil will get
more expensive. It's also
cynical. Yeah, just cynical.
Meanwhile, America, please,
whatever you do, keep watching
this Middle East region. Pay no
attention to the Venezuelans
freezing to the sidewalks in
Chicago
Unknown: for Mike and re migrant
families deeply concerned about
the harsh elements not knowing
how much longer it'll be before
they get moved to shelters. And
as you might imagine parents
especially worried about their
kids go no more parents say
exposure to the cold is making
their kids sick. I said we don't
know what to do this event as
well and mother of three
confesses with the inevitable
arrival of snow and bitter cold.
We feel that one way or another.
She says we're trapped. For now
at least no CTA warming buses in
the afternoon. Outside the snow
cap tent village housing
homeless immigrants at Chicago's
19 police district. It's not
just the father tells us that
police officers are denying an
indoor space for my son He
alleges. We reached out to
police to get their assessment
on sleeping arrangements at the
19th District news affairs
referring us to the mayor's
office. You may be wondering if
Illinois child welfare agency
has concerns about kids spending
their days nights in the cold
DCFS spokesperson says that the
agency hasn't received any
complaints, but didn't respond
to a follow up question about
whether it would investigate or
intervene on migrants behalf and
the mayor's press office in an
evening news release reporting
that warming buses are being
provided by the Chicago Transit
Authority. And they are being
positioned at 16 police
districts from 8pm until 8am.
Adam Curry: You know, it's 24
degrees and snowing in Chicago.
This is this is here's our
problems. Leave everything else
for what it is for a moment
because that's all political.
And then these mind these
migrants. Here's I
John C Dvorak: didn't have
warming buses. Yeah. You get to
go on board the
Adam Curry: bus from warm up.
That's pathetic. So here's
here's proof that the pictures
you see of the southern border
are just theater. I mean, it's
real, of course, Haiti shots
flights to sneak migrants to
USA, Haiti sick of it. People go
into Haiti, getting on a plane
flying into America where they
get their paperwork right there
in Haiti. El Salvador says, you
know, if you're coming from
Africa, you want to go to
America through El Salvador,
we're gonna charge you 1000
bucks now. You land here $1,000
Plus tax then you can stay at
our airport before it's time for
you to fly on there being flown
in Turks and Caicos 15 daily
flights. We're being hoodwinked.
Amy, Amy Pope is brilliant. She
She keeps us focused on the
migrants coming across the Rio
Grande. Mark Hall just told me
Sir Mark Holly says Ecuador,
Panama, all these countries that
they're people, that's where
they get their debit cards.
They're lining up there.
John C Dvorak: It's a business
it's
Adam Curry: a business. It's a
business. As long as we just we
can just be honest about and
just say this is what's going
on. We're being we're being
duped by our media, whatever,
whatever it can be called Media
break. No, they
John C Dvorak: they do what
they're told. Yes,
Adam Curry: like stories like
this. Speaking of
Unknown: Florida, the governor
and presidential candidate Ron
DeSantis is making news first
footwear
so according to Politico, three
people described as experts shoe
makers say DeSantis appears to
be wearing height boosters
inside his cowboy boots to make
them self appear taller.
Some observers have commented
about his strangely shaped
cowboy boots, but the governor
who says he's 511 denies using
lifts saying his boots are
standard
Adam Curry: off the rack. Yeah,
this is this is the headlines.
John C Dvorak: No, this this
story was everywhere. Yeah,
that's what I mean. He had him
on Sunday talk show he was
sitting there and they asked him
his height Bill Maher,
Adam Curry: and Bill Maher.
Yeah, no, no, it
John C Dvorak: was I think there
was I saw it as some mill. Okay.
Yeah. But they he's so he's
probably a 510 guy. He's like,
feels bad about the fact that
Trump's like was six to six
three. Trump's a big tall dude.
Get fat and he's a little guys
five tastes not a petite male
like you know some people he's a
stocky, stocky stock easily
stuck. Yeah, kind of stuck it
but 510 I believe is the average
height for the American male.
Yeah, but the whole point like a
midget
Adam Curry: but that's the
that's the headline news. That's
what Oh, it's good. I just got
lifted, lifts political
political, the best unit of
political reporting the United
States. He's lying about his
height. Dude.
John C Dvorak: We're so lost. It
is pathetic. Well, I have
another fatigue thing because
this got played this is a talk
video. Oh ticklish thing got
played all over the place. And
I'm convinced now just instead
of doing the punch line, I'll do
it the beginning. I believe that
people have been suckered by
this is bold crap. Some guy.
It's like a two cameras. What's
not a two camera shoot, but
there's this character is going
around bitching about being
called Sir. Yes. I've seen
people play it and one of the
people that played it on their
podcast you and I both know. She
goes on and plays it straight is
oh my god has gone too far. This
guy's full of crap. This is set
up. Who's taken the movie A and
then it gets weirder and
weirder, as if no one notices.
That guy's eating like three
dozen oysters. He's at the
fanciest restaurants in town.
Then he's at a frat at the ends
up in he's in a French bistro.
Dressed up as some sort of
French looking guy with a dog.
He's got a dog and he pushes
around in the thing. That dog is
dressed with it with a Baray and
it's stupid.
Adam Curry: We're podcasting who
played it. I don't know who
played on their podcast.
John C Dvorak: There's somebody
named Natalie that we both know.
Adam Curry: Oh, goodness, um,
that podcast. That's not a
positive YouTube show.
John C Dvorak: The outcome was a
YouTube show that people
everywhere had been playing this
thing is as an example of Oz.
Oh, the pronoun things gotten
too far. But it's really not
easy to do it pronouns is about
this guy being called sir. And
now we can play it and assume
that this is bull crap. Tock
tock, tick tock.
Unknown: Looks like he's having
a nice fifth share. So it's
okay. It's all good. But it was
not all good. I use she her
pronouns. I'm not sir. Yeah,
like it's like a knife in the
heart. I also did specifically
ask ahead of time not to be
called sir. Yeah, I'm just gonna
go
always like a knife. It always
hurts. No, every single time. I
was wondering if there's a
manager I could talk to about
something that happened. Yeah, I
was called sir. I just really
sucks every time it happens. I
don't need to be called ma'am. I
just need to not be called sir.
Thank you.
Can you call me sir?
I just want to tell you that the
person who gave me this called
me sir. Call me sir. Oh. Just
like it kind of just hurts a lot
to get called sir. Oh, very
good. Thank you so much. No. Oh,
yeah. Thank you. Nothing like a
good misgendering it does. It is
a knife in the gut when I get
called sir. I feel like I need
to tell him. I need to tell him
that that hurt. It hurts more
than it's not intentional.
Because it means like this. This
is sir to him. I know you didn't
mean it. But I'm not asserting
It's okay. I know. You didn't
mean it. It's just you know, it
hurts. I know when people
clocked me it's fine but like it
does kind of hurt. I'm not sir.
A lot. Not sir. Not sir. But the
guy who dropped the food off? He
called me sir twice in a row.
Adam Curry: Thank you. I
appreciate that. Right. So
there's only two possible
reasons for this the most likely
How do I become a Tiktok star?
The second most likely How do I
get out of paying my bill is
eating all kinds of but dynamite
oysters French stuff nice
beautiful food. And you call
them every single day I need to
talk to the manager and talk to
the manager and get and you get
it for free.
John C Dvorak: That's probably
that's a good bit but this whole
thing seemed to be staged. Yeah,
to an extreme nobody cares
about. I've heard about the
pronouns but this sir thing is
new. And it's bull crap and this
guy if you saw him you know he's
got lipstick on and he's got a
funny hairdo and he's got you
know he's pricy. Here at
restaurants are afraid I'm not
gonna call him sir. Anyway,
Adam Curry: restaurants are
afraid of getting called out
going viral on Tik Tok and then
being protested they're seeking
John C Dvorak: gear to free food
may be the gimmick that's gonna
go gut and I'm gonna
Adam Curry: try it myself here
in Fredericksburg. Did you just
call me sir? It's like a knife
to the to my heart.
John C Dvorak: Yes, it is good
knife.
Adam Curry: Manager. I mean I
I'm really insulted Oh, you'll
you'll just you'll give it a
free Okay, thank you
John C Dvorak: they left that
out of the video.
Adam Curry: With that I'd like
to thank you for your courage
saying good morning to you the
man who put the sea in the aarC
Yes Welcome to the ark ladies
gentlemen say hello to my friend
on the other end one only Mr
John C Dvorak: the money you
just read a video it should have
seen boots to the ground feet
near subs in the water and all
the names nights out there
Adam Curry: in the morning to
the trolls and the troll room
hanging around for quite a
while. 1837 Today I know you're
gonna say it's low. But you know
we are two hours and 15 minutes
into the show a normal drop off
is to be expected. These will be
the new numbers as long as we
have low it's not like
John C Dvorak: 1800 on a
Thursday is average.
Adam Curry: Well then we're
above average because we're two
hours and 15 minutes into the
show. This is good news was
good. This is good. Good good on
neutrals and they've been pretty
helpful today the trolls have
been been nice. Good to see him.
I love it almost 2000 Trolls and
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Go to troll room.io You know you
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I've been using the upgraded
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which Yeah, it's it's on Android
I'm using I'm still using
graphene OS but that's basically
Android is good. That is snappy,
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you want it to do. So try that
one out podcast grad podcast
apps.com. It's a value for value
proposition here on the show.
We've been doing it for over 16
years people are still amazed.
How does that work? Well, you
got to ask people first of all,
you got to treat people with
respect. Don't call them your
fans. Where your audience fans
fans. A lot
John C Dvorak: of fans helping
us out.
Adam Curry: No, we don't
actually have fans. We haven't
had the the opposite. Go look at
no agenda social. We got no
fans. Now we have producers who
take this very seriously. And
critics. Yes. And they take it
very seriously. And we
appreciate that. And they do all
kinds of groovy stuff to that we
could otherwise never afford to
do just like no agenda art
generator.com Sir Paul couture
wasn't doing that we'd never
have that. We don't have the
budget to have someone. Make
that maintain that. Monitor it
from nut jobs do all I mean
that's a beautiful example of
some time and talent in the
trifecta of time, talent and
treasure. Then we really love
our producers who who update art
there and give us art to work
with that just as we love our
producers on no agenda
social.com of course leave at
the end you know, they're free
to criticize us which happens a
lot
John C Dvorak: which they seem
to be very happy to do. Yes.
Adam Curry: Adam shitting on the
people that pay his rent.
Really, really we're giving you
a free product here you only
have to give us value back if
it's worth anything to you.
John C Dvorak: That's most
people will make that complaint
don't don't don't don't probably
never contributed we had one guy
like quit the show recently. I
don't have his note I should
read it. Yo Joe Joe lovers I've
had it with you
Adam Curry: Hey, there's an
opening of the show right there.
So putting up the show shadow
with you know, I think we're
pretty much in the middle on
that and try to just show all
sides of what you're not hearing
because you're being mind
controlled no matter where you
are. Your media is trying to
control your thoughts your
actions and with that comes
social media. Anyway, back to
the value for value. I want to
thank the artist who brought us
the artwork for episode 1603 We
titled that one rolling start,
and it was the second time
second time in a row which means
she's on deck for a for a
hattrick Dame Kenny Ben this was
such a nice piece that even the
artists were posting like that's
it well after Dame Kenny band we
shouldn't even try to compete
this not worth it anymore. This
was the very evil looking
pumpkin with the hearing aids
and nice little sound waves
going into these were the oh you
know I got a note about that
actually, about the high powered
hearing aids. Yes,
John C Dvorak: I got it. Yeah, I
got to know to read it.
Adam Curry: I'm glad you grabbed
onto the high powered hearing
aids. It caught my attention as
well. And this person works for
I'd not say where but in in the
Starkey company who are a
hearing aid manufacturer. I just
want to provide a few points of
clarification how high powered
aides are in fact a category.
They output greater than 120 DBS
and gain over the counter can
only output to a max of 104 DB
and gain. I've dug through the M
five M can't find more info on
what they are but it is in fact,
the Starkey. I think they call
it the power version of the
power. BT behind the ear hearing
aids, AB starlight that
John C Dvorak: you're gonna read
the note about. There's also a
guy who had this phenomenon was
of hearing voices
Adam Curry: to get that note,
and I think we talked about that
on the last show. Okay, well, I
don't remember. They also but
this company does sell to does
provide the Veterans Assistance.
Regardless, I'd like to know who
the audiologist is because this
should not be happening to
anybody. But yeah, tinnitus also
mispronounces tinnitus. That can
be all kinds of extra
frequencies that come along with
that it can drive you crazy. can
drive there's someone on on X
was like, curry, you didn't know
what he talking about hearing
aids. Okay. All right. I think
I'm an expert here.
John C Dvorak: Well, I would why
would anyone say that? They hate
you? Yeah,
Adam Curry: just basic hate. Not
a donor not not a producer.
Trust me. I'm not
John C Dvorak: just some guy he
happens. I'm very
Adam Curry: hateable Dame Kenny.
Ben. Thank you very much. Same
Kenny Ben. We really appreciate
what you've done. Once again.
Let's take a look at some of the
art that was submitted as well.
There are a lot of pumpkins Of
course, we're not a pumpkin slug
and I really liked Niko Symes
pumpkin I liked the all seeing
eye pumpkin I thought was a
great piece and yeah
John C Dvorak: I didn't like it
at all actually because they
thought it was tidy I didn't
like to drawing that was and I
didn't like the all seeing eye
is I didn't like it because
obviously she hated it she
Adam Curry: hated it hated I did
this was hate was hate dripping
from you. I think we both
thought the pearl clutch was
cute. From dame of the absurd.
Yeah, but it was but it was It
wasn't wasn't clear enough. I
mean, yeah, we were clearly
looking for I
John C Dvorak: liked a little I
did like to Amaryllis Fox
videotape or gentleman's club as
a thing but it was too small. It
was a little bit easier. Read
Amaryllis Fox on it. There's a
couple other ones is another one
a high powered, tanta Neil's
high powered hearing aid ng has
all the text is unreadable.
Yeah, I know. I know what she's
thinking. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's too bad.
John C Dvorak: We're not going
to use what's his name? The
Matthew Perry thing.
Adam Curry: Did you? Did you
have some bonus content for the
donation segment about Matthew
Perry you sent me?
John C Dvorak: No, I mean, I
asked you to put into the show
notes which people can go
reference. It's a it's a rumble
show where they go on and on
about Matthew Perry. He's gonna
blow the lid off pedophilia.
That's why they killed me. And
that's why they kill them and
I'm thinking well, okay, sure.
And my comment in the in the
thread that was floating around
was where was the if you're to
have that kind of information,
you keep it threatening it for
years. You better have a deadman
switch someplace. Exactly. There
was something that gets mailed
out a minute you're dead. Do you
have a deadman switch for your
deepest darkest sick I have a
bunch Yeah, I do a bunch of
stuff goes in the mail in the
real it be all hell's gonna
break loose.
Adam Curry: I believe you.
John C Dvorak: I believe you all
hell is gonna break loose.
Adam Curry: I believe you. Oh,
ladies and gentlemen. Jhansi
Dvorak has a deadman switch.
Nice. Do I get anything? Or is
it just going to like
John C Dvorak: you're a part of
it, you're going to be doomed.
over for you.
Adam Curry: Thank you very much,
Dave. Kenny, Ben for your for
your artwork. I see a lot of art
has already been submitted for
this episode. Thank you artists.
You're all highly appreciated
all the work that you do. Of
course, we want to thank our
financial donors, part of the
treasurer of the trifecta and we
always go for our executive and
Associate Executive Producers
first along with today, more PhD
candidates who will be awarded
the coveted no agenda PhD in
media deconstruction, and we
kick it off with Anthony
Sakowski from Highland New York.
Who comes in with 133 3.33 in
the morning, no jingles, no
karma. This donations for two
people. Okay. 1000 is from my
knighthood and PhD the 333 33 is
from my brother Mike, if you
could please do us both. You've
been de deuced my brother hit me
in the mouth over 10 years ago
now I haven't missed an episode
since 2017. Please Knight me Sir
Anthony protector of
installation 07. And thank you
for your courage, whatever that
means. We're we're happy to do
that. Happy to do that. Thank
you,
John C Dvorak: Kyle Celia Selig
Selig in Kona, Wisconsin came in
we went $1,000.02 and he wrote a
handwritten two notes he wrote
one in with a check and then
another envelope came in shortly
thereafter and within the notes
are very hard to read just my
two cents he writes I would be
honored to call you my friend
both friends we are frail or
your friends Kyle both friends I
did it for the education you
both provided. And then another
note comes in a different piece
of paper with a three hole punch
he says if it if it bounces I
lived right. Nice. I'll get
right with you, John. John,
Adam Curry: you better see
better submit that check right
away bounces
John C Dvorak: actually you and
JJ was going through this and
she looks at this notice if it
bounces I lived right and she
says to me, is this a suicide?
No. No, I
Adam Curry: hope not. This No.
Does he jingles or anything or
John C Dvorak: anything? No. He
would that was it. What do you
see in those two notes? Right
Kyle? Thank you. Yeah, thanks,
Cal
Adam Curry: sir vont Hamilton,
Ohio 1000. Working at the
university as a dude named Ben
for 37 years listening to so
many boring conferences,
lectures and meetings but never
got a PhD. Now after 1000
episodes have no agenda and in
$1 an episode I have a PhD in
media deconstruction. Yes, you
do serve on I'm getting one as
well. Jay has put mine in the
mail. I'm very excited. I will
have it framed and put it on my
on my wall. And your wall of
shame. No, I'm going to put it
in the studio. The display it
proudly. You bet.
John C Dvorak: Okay. Yeah. Yep.
Yep. Yep, yep. Yep. Yep.
Geoffrey Corbett's up and from
Hamilton, Ohio. Aha. $1,000.
Love the show. Please Knight me.
Sure Corby. Thanks, Dan. Thanks.
Nice note,
Adam Curry: sir Congress in
Austin, Texas. Maybe we'll see
you sir Cox on the 18th at the
meetup 1000. This is my birthday
Friday the third and this should
make me Baron Dr. Cox. I'd also
like to announce my mother's day
name of Dame Rosie Vila,
protector of wall pockets, as
she was deemed on her birthday
last June 7 and now has chosen
her name. And you've made it
official sir Cox Baron soon to
be Thank you.
John C Dvorak: Lee see Noir
$1,000. And he sent a note in
which I have right here. Now I
don't have the I just have them.
I just have the the PDF. Hello,
John.
Adam Curry: What Adam I'm not
adding the atoms not included.
John C Dvorak: I can't imagine
how well yeah, maybe I can how
tough it can be to live to do
live content. That's what he
says. So he's happy with our
work ethic? Yes. I don't want to
be that guy who tells you how
you screwed up. That's why
you're not listed is directed at
me. Okay, how you screwed up
here as you were I want to avoid
the word but Adams Great. In the
last couple of shows you
commented that the dead
attackers in Israel did not have
a reason to wear body cams
unless as you suggest they were
going to cover themselves
legally in case they got sued.
Adam Curry: Which makes so much
sense.
John C Dvorak: When this
happened I was disappointed but
all politics is local and that
attack was at least as much
political as anything. People
that in that circumstance that
choose to wear body cams you
already get a body cam to be
honest about it it's a go
through was told to wear body
cams for local celebrations of
their success, or at least of
their activities probably never
thought about lawyers. Lawyers
were the first thing you thought
of you can speculate on
somebody's motivation if you're
that far from what they think
for instance, quote, a good way
to spend my day is going into
another country and killing
families in their beds. This is
ghoulish your instinct seems to
be is seemed seems to be to dig
around for other perspectives
and you're good at it like any
other human being you have your
bias we all do. Yours is
probably more like mine, which
makes you interesting to listen
to thanks. No jingles no karma.
Alright. Thanks for the notes.
Okay. And then uh, yes, admits
mentions a couple other things.
Also, I've listed recent
podcasts and it sounds like I
can get a knighthood and a
degree on the cheap so here I
am, and then he went to use his
name and two different names
he's got a knighthood coming up
and he'll be on his diploma he
has to send the details into
yes, no agenda ringside calm
soon to be surly see noir
Adam Curry: Yes indeed. And Sir
David Ross from Colorado Springs
comes in with 50604 Dear John
and Adam here's a number station
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John C Dvorak: Nisha pet in most
Seville will say Ville is
something I some French is in
COVID Quebec so it's pronounced
in the Quebec was? I am Nisha
pet the French Scandinavian
thanks for all you do. My life
would not be the same without
you. I donate it with Pay Pal
369 which is 533 55 Canadian
please play an order. Douche bag
me know like it. You've been
deduced and respect you said de
deuced DSP I see T
Adam Curry: Alrighty then. Let's
see. We have anonymous from
Orlando when we open up the note
here. And second Where is page
one page two I got it. This
isn't one of those long ones.
No, it's a short one. Here we
go. In The Morning John and Adam
first time What are you
drinking?
John C Dvorak: Just polar.
Adam Curry: First time plus
birthday donation. You
John C Dvorak: heard that? You
heard a little I hear that? The
microphone is amazing.
Adam Curry: What is your
microphone is at the highest
pile?
John C Dvorak: Yes, Ohio. I
Adam Curry: wish I could send
more to reflect the value I find
listening each week now. You
know what? I'm going to disagree
with you if this is this is your
max you sent us a lot you reach
the top this is highly
appreciated. However keeping my
three human resources out of
terrible public schools takes
top priority these days. Love
and Light from the deep blue
bleeding heart of Orange County
Florida, where critical thinking
is prohibited. PS I haven't
heard anyone tell you this in a
while so keep doing what you're
doing. You bet and I'll give you
a D douching since its first
time you've been de deuced
John C Dvorak: Brendan tech cash
or to cash or tech cash in
Western Springs Illinois 333
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held at sort of spooky Halloween
spooktacular this past Sunday 17
people attended and contributed
please credit ser el que tm as
the winner of this executive
producer title yes we'll meet up
report will be sent to Adam
jingles Don't eat me Jo Bo
Jaiden JC de donate regards
Brendon to cash or spooky of the
Elm streets
is a word I should mention that
ser el que tem set into separate
note saying thank to all the
attendees to serve spooky the
Elm streets meet up for making
this credit possible so thanks
to making me feel welcomed my
first meetup. But when first
time in, big winner Please grant
karma to all the attendees and
claim they played JCD spooky
donate which is up there
already. See y'all at the next
one.
Adam Curry: All right. Then we
have a another switcheroo which
is from Lady Vox. David with the
gateway switcheroo please credit
my donation to system Sam Samuel
Corp. I'm not interested in
climbing the peerage ladder but
I love bringing others to the
roundtable Hello Adam and John.
Please do not miss Kobe to your
million plus listeners. I don't
hate you. I never said I did.
Oh, I know what this is. On the
last show that the very end. We
had lady Vox with her show next
on the stream and this is Lady
Vox who would said am guest not
donating today many more than
she writes. She did not say she
hated us. In fact, she doesn't
hate us. I know she doesn't know
John C Dvorak: she didn't say
she hated that. She said she's
not donating anymore.
Adam Curry: It wasn't for Paul,
I'm wrong. I repent. I
apologize. Forgive me I just
didn't appreciate your sometimes
condescending or entitled tone
towards people who give their
time talent and treasure in so
many ways help sustain this
amazing community you've
inspired How come I'm not
allowed to be condescending or
entitled On no agenda social
everybody does that.
John C Dvorak: Everybody is
condescending and entitled and
no agenda social
Adam Curry: I'm not allowed to
do I'm not allowed to do it for
some reason i But usually,
John C Dvorak: you know, guy who
set the whole thing up, has to
shut up and sit down. That's
pretty
Adam Curry: much it is this How
am I allowed to troll and
actually it was a mistake
because if you go back and look
at the thread, which I do not
advise anybody to do, I was not
even and this is part of the
problem with social with social
media and Mastodon in
particular. I made a comment to
the other person on the thread
and it was like dude, do you
want to hug? That was my
condescending tone. But I'm not
allowed to do that because it's
no good. I have to be a
bootlicking lackey to all this
is why I just don't post much
bootlicking lackey That's right.
I need to just be a lackey I
love to vie for remodels what
drew me to the show in the first
place and what keeps me here but
V for B is about more than just
financial support I never for
one moment abandoned the model
well no you did yeah it did. You
said it you said I'm just not
John C Dvorak: my money to other
podcast yeah
Adam Curry: she's gonna get mad
about this now to this letter if
you listen around the stream you
will understand that I
participate contribute and
collaborate with my mouth my
mind at my money. Independent
Media has become my cause my
purpose since m five M literally
scared my father to death during
schmoeville Did you have his WWE
to ham radio bug? I do. And I
really appreciate this. I
treasure that actually. That is
in my in my studio in my museum.
But you do she gave me her dad's
World War Two ham radio bug like
a Morse code key only it's a
bug. So goes it's a works. Yeah,
but she gave that to me. Wow.
Long time ago.
John C Dvorak: No. Yeah, I
remember that now because you
think it took a picture of it?
Yeah.
Adam Curry: I wouldn't have
given something that special. I
hate Yes. Yes. Hmm. I defend
podcasting
John C Dvorak: with a visceral
asking for it back if she asked
him for it that Oh
Adam Curry: no, she's a good
she's a good egg.
John C Dvorak: Egg is good.
Okay,
Adam Curry: I defend podcasting
with a visceral intensity that
nearly got me my smokin hot sir
into a bar fight last night. You
got into a fight. I know
John C Dvorak: the type. So
pleased to say that to you.
Adam Curry: Man, podcasting
sucks. So please don't ever tell
this audience I hate you. I
apologize. You do not hate me.
We're all just here to knock the
sharp edges off each other man.
For a better community. I'd
never withdraw my support from a
noble cause. And then best
regards lady Vox dei MD with the
gateway PS sir Spencer a bowl
after bowl would really
appreciate appreciate it if JC D
would unblock him on no agenda
social. I humbly request this on
his behalf he's a glorious asset
to get mo nation unblock him
John
John C Dvorak: you know I don't
know how to unblock you go to
your profile
Adam Curry: and right there.
John C Dvorak: Lady Vox I'll
take it okay. It's under
advisement.
Adam Curry: Okay, Lady rocks by
I misquoted you I apologize.
However, the I get to troll to
die by feel I should know agenda
socialist, no agenda social.
They want to be able to use one
a hug man. Come on back at
that's not condescending or
entitled. That's just trolling.
But I know. All right,
John C Dvorak: we're onward
onward. Yes. Last one. Linda
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Unknown: There you go. Jobs,
jobs, jobs and jobs. That's
karma.
Adam Curry: And that wraps up
our executive and Associate
Executive producers and PhD
awardees. Our graduates have no
agenda. Thank you all very much.
We highly appreciate what you
do. The Ph. D. Of course is
real. The titles are real. You
are an executive or Associate
Executive Producer of episode
1604 of the no agenda show put
that anywhere where titles are
recognized. It's recognized all
over Hollywood while it still
exists. Yeah, put it on imdb.com
You'll see Hollywood is there
and you'll be recognized you're
it's totally valid. And John's
gonna take us through to the 50s
and we'll Get to our
Nightingale, our PhD graduates,
et cetera.
John C Dvorak: I would
definitely put it on my LinkedIn
profile to share Tooth Fairy
Valparaiso, Indiana $160.40 Sir
Bates, and Bloomington Minnesota
160 16. Leia, Lydia Terry DOMA
Nelly in Rochester, Minnesota
one 6004 These are the special
160 that basically the Kepler
supernova donations be huge
promotion. We got three people
like
Adam Curry: great idea. When I
saw that I'm like, this is gonna
go nowhere.
John C Dvorak: It went nowhere.
It's not
Adam Curry: a good promotion.
John C Dvorak: It wasn't even my
Adam Curry: idea. Who Oh, who do
we blame Jay?
John C Dvorak: No, no, it was
one of our producers that said
to note in because he said, You
know, there's nothing else going
I want you to try this. Thanks,
Sam. Well, you got three. Sandra
Edmonds in or do Lydia Terry
DOMA Nellie in Rochester New
Hampshire you do for you have
no. Okay, Sandra Edmonds and
Lakeside Colorado, California
120 Baron lattic. In $100 from
Houston, Texas, Kevin
McLaughlin. He's here he is, is
the shortlist again. We're not
gonna be doing better. 808 1604
Boob donation and he's got the
no pun. He's the Duke of Luna.
Oh pumilus Wow. Okay. handless
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and death desk Plaines,
Illinois. At? He said Happy
16th. Okay. Tea, Dana. Dana
Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada
7227. I got one I can't get even
read because this boy is if for
some reason wrote a long note
Adam Curry: that he wrote a note
to me. David, Sir David Jarman
from North Turramurra, New South
Wales and came in with salmon
72. And a very nice note, I
appreciate what you wrote there.
And he came in with a second
donation of 63 dot 85 Not sure
why. But he does ask, Why do I
have to pay 100 And he says 1640
and 55 cents in dollar reduced
to get $1,000 USD back and not
2009. It was parity. Yeah. You
got a question? What happened
there?
John C Dvorak: What happened? It
happens. We had periods with
candidate for a while to during
the Iraqi war. Yeah. Hi, Kevin.
Back to Kevin McLaughlin. in
Concord, North Carolina. 606.
Small boops. Bernie, Adam. Oh,
ma in Hanson, Iowa. Yeah, Bernie
5110 You haven't heard from Sir
Bernie for a while. He's in the
meter Luke. Sure. Luke Reiner in
London, UK 55. And now we have
$50 donors and again, we have a
shortlist again today. Joe Woods
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mon in Cincinnati, Ohio. Julie
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Brandon, luckily are in Sugar
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and Jordan. And last but not
least in a very short list of 36
total. Jordan Plano in Salem,
don't inhale and Oregon want to
thank these folks for making the
show 1604 happen.
Adam Curry: And as we thank
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That is usually for reasons of
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who has a sustaining donation if
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Associate Executive producers of
1604
Unknown: formula is this. We go
out. We get people in the mouth
This
Adam Curry: is kind of short
list today but we start off with
by His grace who wishes Greta a
happy third birthday she
celebrated on the 30th credit is
of course the three legged
Wonder Dog. Sir Cox celebrates
on the third of November
tomorrow and happy birthday to
anonymous from Orlando. Happy
birthday for everybody here the
best podcast in the universe.
Change I
Unknown: don't want to be
introduced back
Adam Curry: know douchebaggery
here we heard him earlier with
his donation sir Cox, who also
will be a graduate of the Ph. D.
and media deconstruction he has
donated additional $1,000 It can
be all in one go or an aggregate
but you now are officially Baron
Dr. Cox actually will be
official once they give you that
PhD, but we'll just call it that
for now. Thank you very much for
supporting the best podcast in
the universe. Now I'd like to
hand out our PhDs up on the
podium here Anthony so Sakowski,
Kyle Selleck, get Cervantes,
Jeffrey Kharbut sir Cox and Sir
Lee noir who will be a sir in
just a moment all of you are now
official graduates have no
agenda graduates, you have a PhD
in media deconstruction. Thank
you for supporting us and thank
you for graduating. Thank you
for graduating is I'm getting
better at it.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, your your
script needs work. Well,
Adam Curry: it's not like anyone
who's writing me a script. I
could use some help.
John C Dvorak: Just get a hold
of Jen Sakis. Producer
Adam Curry: now please. Oh, no.
You just insulted me. No, you're
just insulting me. We have one
Dame and we have three nights.
So if you can grab that. Oh,
I'll take that. Hello, Rosie,
come on up here. Anthony
Sakowski Jeffrey Corbin and
there is LISI nor all of you
have supported the no agenda
show in the amount of $1,000 or
more some of you instantaneously
today I'm therefore very proud
to pronounce the as de morosi
villi. Protector of wall
pockets. seranthony Protector of
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and surly noir for you. We've
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we got warm beer and cold women
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John C Dvorak: And we recommend
you put your name on an actual
it'll, it'll look
Adam Curry: a lot more a lot
more
John C Dvorak: people will go up
to because it'd be you're gonna
put it on the wall maybe yeah.
And go What is this?
Adam Curry: No, yeah, why that
because you go up to it and be
like, Oh, this is real, which it
is. It's a real PhD in media
deconstruction. No agenda
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who are Dame or knights today,
you will also get your wax to
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that comes a certificate of
authenticity. And thank you all,
from the bottom of our hearts.
Thank you so much for supporting
the show. We love what we do,
and we couldn't do it without
you.
Yes, it's no agenda, the home
game you get to do it all
together in a location of your
choice. No agenda meetups.com is
where you can find out where in
the world a meetup will take
place near you. It is an
incredible list. It is an
incredible collection of
producers who are out there
organizing these it is more
necessary now than ever in
today's crazy world. A just get
out you've just put your phone
in your back pocket, turn it off
hanging out with some people
have a brewski or whatever you
want to do and just chat and
have a good time. Meet children
from other lands. And this is
what they did in Fort Wayne in
October. Here's their meet up
report.
Unknown: Hello, Adam and John.
This is Shannon from Fort Wayne
many believe and it's likely
true that everybody in
attendance had a great time.
Look at that juice. PVR street
gang is morning. Thank you for
your courage. Damn Trinity from
Fort Wayne, thank you for your
courage. Hi, it's
Shelly from Fort Wayne. Thank
you for your courage. This is
Jared from Fort Wayne, not the
subway guy.
Adam Curry: Yeah, thank you. The
Webster County whet your whistle
meet ups into new report. Hello
Hello Aloha.
Unknown: This is Charles Shelton
at the Webster County whet your
whistle Wednesday meet up third
monthly and we have a nice fine
crowd of fine folks here. I'm
gonna pass the phone around.
Sir Matt Decker in the morning.
You Shout out to dangerous Dan
can make it but shout out to
him.
This is Baronet Benjamin we had
pizza beautiful in the morning
in the morning is Sir Bernie
Atomo attending this my first
meeting out here so you and John
and Adam are doing well good
morning and in the morning to
get mo nation
thank you for your courage for
everybody coming out here today
in connection is protecting
respect we must we must we Mitch
much what's that's much bitch
decommitted nailed it.
Adam Curry: Fantastic. Great
report we got a written report
from Sir spooky of the Elm
streets the Halloween
spooktacular meet up. It was one
of the friendliest. Good time
was a friend. fiendishly good
time I'm sorry. It was one of
the highest attended suburban
Chicago meetups happy to report
that a few people wear costumes
Curiously, the first couple to
attend came dressed as federal
agents wasn't because was the
costume or their uniform can't
be too sure. We raffled off some
horror movies that cozy blanket
from the no agenda shop and
credit for the donation we got
that earlier generous group of
producers managed to raise the
pot to the executive level
ultimately sir el que tem was
the lucky winner of the credit.
It was his first meet up
donation of 333 is coming via
PayPal. The final highlight of
the night was watching a very
special episode of Swamp Thing.
Yes, your performance as
Rockstar Nathan stone elevated
and otherwise goofy and baffling
plot. You had more screen time
than the titular Swamp Thing
himself and for that we're
grateful. I look forward to
screening it again next year.
And thank you very much for that
report. Brandon sounds like it
was a very fine meet up indeed.
Here's what's on the calendar
for today. New Hampshire's meet
up at the community oven should
kick off in just a bit at Epping
in that's an epic New Hampshire.
The five forks first Thursday
inaugural meet up at Bullwinkle
Tavern in Simpsonville, South
Carolina six o'clock today. The
yeah no November northern wake
no agenda meet up six o'clock at
Compass Rose brewing in Raleigh,
North Carolina underway in just
about an hour from now.
Tomorrow, the second official
Vancouver Canada meet up for
2023 Let me reserve a place for
you at Lu Leticia LADEE Saturday
Ciao pizza. Seven o'clock
Vancouver British Columbia
Canada Navia on Saturday fun and
Frisco two o'clock at skyhouse
Frisco station Frisco Texas and
finally on Sunday, our next show
de Central Florida meet up two
o'clock at hourglass brewing in
Longwood, Florida. Reminder the
keeper and I will be at the
Austin Sunset Valley. This docks
backyard meet up on November 18.
And at the Indianapolis Indiana
meetup on December 4, they're
going to be there's going to be
people from neighboring states
coming to that meet up it's
going to be quite the scene I
believe we're very excited to be
there. No agenda meetups it's a
great place to get together with
people who think the same who
don't get triggered by stuff who
aren't mind controlled by the
media and who know that
connection is protection no one
urgent no agenda meetups.com If
you can't find one near you
start one yourself it's easy and
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say is like apart Well I only
have one ISO and it's just it is
what it is. So I'll play it Wow,
one ratio to only play mine.
Wow. That's my I saw Wow. Can
you beat that key beat I think I
think
John C Dvorak: I do beat it
Unknown: fascinating.
Adam Curry: We could do them
both. They're so short.
Fascinating.
John C Dvorak: Wow. How about
the other way? Okay. Try the
other way around. Wow,
Unknown: fascinating.
Adam Curry: Okay, sold. Sold.
We'll do it live there on the
fly.
John C Dvorak: Do it live your
life do it. I have one goofy
clip I want to play although it
could be the end of the show.
Adam Curry: If you're gonna do
something goofy, the mission
make sure we don't do anything
important. This whole bump is
all down
John C Dvorak: and on. COVID
Explain. Yeah, you lay on Death
Valley.
Adam Curry: I want to do COVID
on this. There's some some great
stuff for Sunday the What's App
gate with Boris Johnson's the
what's apps about? You know,
this big inquiry about okay,
John C Dvorak: we'll do that on
Sunday. But I do have one more
serious one I want to get away
from
Adam Curry: don't do anything
serious or something funny.
Okay, well,
John C Dvorak: I got the one
funny this has been going
around. This is the clip that's
been floating around because
it's so funny. It's from an
Australian news channel about
it's the oz TV biotech story.
Unknown: An Australian biotech
company has developed a new
treatment it hopes will predict
people dying from code of that
state.
Adam Curry: satis Wow, who needs
who needs that? We can predict
it for you. That's crazy. All
right. I'll do a crazy one. This
is just a couple of new terms.
It's only 58 seconds. They had
the world the United Nations
World Cities day, held in Turkey
a hey, in Turkey a and Her
Excellency Emin air Dhawan, the
I guess, the president aerator
Juan's wife is an excellency.
She gave a speech, as did the
What's his face would tell us.
But there was a new term in here
that I really liked it on
Unknown: lambda Shailesh. My DAG
is
the key to every Global change
is hidden in urbanization.
However, the importance of
cities has gained a different
dimension in the modern world,
where urbanization is growing at
an unstoppable pace. Research
shows that by 2057, out of 10
people will live in cities.
Rapid urbanization brings with
it many crises and tests for us.
One of the most important
problems it has raised is
undoubtedly climate change,
which has turned our Earth into
a bleeding globe.
Adam Curry: Come on, what's the
bleeding globe?
John C Dvorak: A bleeding globe.
Adam Curry: That's, that's the
new term. Our Earth. Thanks to
climate change. Our Earth is now
bleeding globe. Wow. That was my
thinking. Exactly. Wow. Wow. All
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