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John C Dvorak: They can't stop
losing weight. Adam curry, John
C. Devora
Adam Curry: November 9 2023 This
is your award winning keep our
nation media and assassination
episode 1606
Unknown: This is no agenda
protecting you
Adam Curry: from drama based
entertainment and broadcasting
live from the heart of the
country here and femur into
number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry and
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we're all
wondering, When did Captain
Marvel become a chick and why
she's selling me signs. I'm John
C. Dvorak.
Unknown: Raglan Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: She's selling
Nissan's are nice socks. I
couldn't hear if it was Nissan's
are nice socks and what's the
difference? Nissan's
John C Dvorak: Nissan's
Adam Curry: they kind of slipped
that in. Now. That's it. And
isn't that isn't that all Disney
now Marvel is going so well with
them. It's working so it's
working out? Well for them? Yes,
John C Dvorak: they have you
know the dying cash cow.
Adam Curry: Do you remember my
buddy the entertainment mogul?
Yes. Who got fired from from
Disney.
John C Dvorak: And he was right.
Specifically the part of the
comic book. Yeah, it was part
Adam Curry: of the Marvel comic
book division. So from what I
understand, you know, there's
that activist investor, what's
the guy's name? He keeps buying
up shares, Nelson Nelson,
something like that or no. So
the word is that like, he's the
he's the like the 8089 year old
guy who, who, who owned Marvel
sold us to Disney and then got
fired. That they're trying to do
a you know, like a leveraged
buyout. A buyback Yeah. Buy out
the buyout all of Disney with
now with that Nelson guy.
John C Dvorak: That would be
pretty spectacular. If they did.
That'd be very difficult.
Adam Curry: I think it's
difficult to but the Nelson guy
apparently he's got he's got a
lot of shares. He's got a lot of
control. Yeah. So my guy is not
officially involved. But I
John C Dvorak: did buy out, buy
him out and do what?
Adam Curry: Get rid of all the
woke people
John C Dvorak: was in the whole
company for the whole company.
Adam Curry: There's nothing
left. Nothing
John C Dvorak: left. Bones.
Adam Curry: Dry Bones rattling?
Yeah. Let me just start off by
saying everybody don't worry,
the US government is not going
to be taking over the internet
next week. Holy crap. Did you
follow this?
John C Dvorak: No, I didn't. And
I've avoided it. Now you might
as well do it.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I'm no,
there's not much. I mean, I
here's what happened. So the
Hill Country ladies text message
group goes nuts. Tina texts me.
She says, hey, they're saying
the US government's taking over
the internet next week. Like,
oh,
John C Dvorak: did they know
that the US government was the
internet for a while. They know
that?
Adam Curry: This isn't I don't
even go there. Of like, Oh,
okay. Yeah. But you know, the
way that sounds is like, Oh,
what are they going to do now? I
immediately think net
neutrality, something like that.
Because the FCC is working on
that, apparently was Glenn Beck,
who's who said that? Like, yeah,
the US government is taking over
the internet next week. And
although what is wrong, what's
going on here? The the FCC is
trying to get kind of a backdoor
into title two without having
Congress passed title two. And
so the and so Biden came out
with an executive order that
that activates a little oh, what
another little unknown fact in
the infrastructure act, you
know, the Greenie bill, which
instructs the FCC to basically
force with you know, with a $56
billion budget, which was
assigned to them as a part of
that trillion dollar bill to
force equity into broadband
access. So what we'll do now
that I looked through all I
looked at the executive order, I
looked through the FCC
documents, there's no traffic
management or unlawful content
anywhere in those documents yet,
but it does seem like they're
going to force commercial
companies to do stuff, which is
wrong by itself, but it's not
quite the government taking over
the internet, which is just one
of those memes and people go
crazy. They get all spun up over
it's like calm down people.
Lawsuits will ensue. Oh, of
course this will go nowhere.
It's the same as I love the
disinformation they passed. They
passed the bill where were you
car has to have a some kind of
alcohol detection device you
won't start. It's like they
passed that two years ago. But
no one knew no one Massey I
guess tried to get an amendment
which of course was struck down.
I'm like, Yeah, of course. It's
gonna get struck down not a
single One of these Congress,
men or women want Mothers
Against Drunk drivers, you know,
protesting outside your door you
look like a douchebag and you
get Code Pink and all those
people. These people are
spineless and they don't care
and it's coming 2026 Any new
car, you'll have to blow into a
tube before it starts which is
why I'm hanging on to my
internal combustion engine G
John C Dvorak: and I am sure
that can't be disabled and
rejiggered
Adam Curry: it's so bad I had to
take my car in because I had
three times that it didn't start
and it's like some weird bug
they don't can't find so yeah
bug yeah in the car somewhere
it's a glitch is that well, they
can't reproduce it so they
needed my car for at least a
week I said okay, but give me
give me a good replacement car
you know? And and then and then
they and they say well what
electric vehicle Do you want?
And like what I don't want an
electric vehicle and well that's
pretty much all we have. What is
I live in Fredericksburg the
you're in Austin? I'm I can't I
can't even make any make the
drive? So I got this Podunk
piece of crap because the only
one that has gas in it but this
is this is bad going Oh Joe all
our cars are electric why I say
OB if you think about it this is
what I was told. If you think
about it, it they're much easier
to maintain. Oh, is that the
reason why this is we're headed
for a bad a bad time with these
EVs is a bad time hold onto your
gasoline vehicles people
John C Dvorak: are by us when
now while you can
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm still oh
and Toyota I love what Toyota
did that there's not going to be
sold in America but they have a
truck for $10,000 There'll be a
brand new truck you know with a
with a bed you know? A payload
bed 10 grand brand new because
it has nothing no electric
windows no radio it has you know
a mirror you just with your hand
outside the window which have to
roll down completely stripped
down I like that's beautiful.
I'd love to have that truck.
Yeah, I think only 10 grand it's
pretty cheap. Yeah, I mean, any
any kind of moderate
John C Dvorak: I wonder how many
people alive today amongst our
audience in fact, that would see
the hand window crank and wonder
what it
Adam Curry: was the thing that
doing something lewd. Hey, what
is
John C Dvorak: this? What is it?
Whoa,
Adam Curry: how does this thing
work? Hey,
John C Dvorak: what is this
supposed to do? People
Adam Curry: can't even tell time
and an analog clock of course
I'll have no we
John C Dvorak: talked about that
quite a bit. We get a lot of
pushback. I am. Why can you know
most people can't tell time from
an analog clock. Young people,
Adam Curry: new people new
people. Not most which
John C Dvorak: is the majority
of people nowadays.
Adam Curry: Ah well, since he's
getting no press I feel really
bad for him. This is he's out of
the picture is exit stage left
poor Volodymyr Zelensky can't
get any more dough. He went on
Meet the Press with Kristen
Welcome Welcome welcome. And I
just have a very short clip
because most of it was he was
doing in Ukrainian and then they
had a voiceover translating in
real time but then all sudden he
switched to English and you know
had this whole thing like hey,
you know, we got a $40 billion
hole in our budget we need more
money we need the money Hey,
just so you know EU was sent us
19 billion you know they're not
You're not the only people we
need more money please America,
we need more
John C Dvorak: money. We need
more money. This voice and then
he came up with
Adam Curry: you know, just use
the Russian money.
Unknown: This is very important
and it's just evil. We'll have
just interest from this $300
billion of Russian assets these
these not the we will have we
will manage how to close the
half of the gap of the budget.
Why? Why do you take money from
Americans take the essence of
Russia are we okay with this
one? If there is a question
through society of United States
about military and ball of
something else, okay, let's go
produce it. It will be when when
this old one. If you can give us
a gun, give us some financial
support. Okay, okay. Please give
us a credit. Give us a credit
man and we will give you back
money to the war and the force.
We can buy some ammunition. We
will buy it we will defend our
jobs. We will have taxes and who
will buy we will buy from
American companies just allowed
us and let's see. Give
Adam Curry: me some credit, man.
Come on give us credit, but
it'll be okay. We'll pay you
back after the war. Oh my god,
he should open a GoFundMe do a
telethon or something. I'm just
getting pretty, pretty pathetic.
He's just he's been dropped like
a hot potato. He's learning what
it's like now to be on the world
stage as a part of the
douchebags. tau goes, bro,
you're done. Then it seems like
them. There's now everyone's
looking for solutions, stuff
that Zelinsky we'll have to say.
Did I lose you? And I thought I
lost you there. And we just
thought.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, but I
missed that. Unfortunately. I'll
catch you later. He's quite the
character at this point. Yeah,
TCP back home fighting.
Adam Curry: He wasn't home he
was actually home. Or they were
doing a video Yazoo. Doing a
zoom was very, with very little
latency. I'm doing zoom very
little latency, I find that you
never know where that guy is.
Have you noticed this flag down
the street? There's some flag
maker who has gotten really
smart. Have you noticed this
that all flags. All countries
are now using these cones. It's
no longer really a flag. It's
like it's like a a cone made of
plastic or something. So that
sort of that the color is
wrapped nicely. You know, it's
not just a flag that's droopy on
a pole. Everyone has them. You
have noticed these?
John C Dvorak: No, I have not. I
know what you're talking about.
But the cone Yeah. If you look
at any like the cone of silence
or what cone? Yeah, like
Adam Curry: a traffic cone.
Yeah, the flag the flags now
before you can just go online,
look at it, look at Biden,
anybody, they all have these
cones, all of a sudden, that's
the new way of of displaying
your flag. Cone flags, it's a
new thing.
John C Dvorak: Don't have a
funny clip of the lawyer with a
with a newt with a cool idea.
You know, there is a straight
flag now all of a sudden,
Adam Curry: straightforward, as
opposed to a LGBTQ flag.
John C Dvorak: Yes, a straight
flag. And it's basically black
and white stripes with the
symbols for male and female
interlinked in the middle. Oh,
know how race is. And so there's
this straight flag. And this
this lawyer is I got this from
tick tock, I think has one of
the best ideas ever big it's
called the prep clip is the
pride flag lawyer. Every
classroom
Unknown: in America has a
rainbow flag or a progress pride
flag or whatever. They all look
like barcodes to me at this
point. Point being is what about
this flow? And how many of you
guys have ever seen one of
these? reason I'm asking is
because viewpoint discrimination
is very clear. You can't censor
one person's view on a topic, if
it's being spoken about at all.
You got to talk about gay stuff,
you can talk about straight
stuff. So let's say you go to
school, ask a teacher to hang up
one of these in the classroom
next to the pride flag, they're
gonna probably say no, but let's
just say that they didn't know
any better. So you need to
educate them. And you give them
a packet full of case law that
lays out very clearly their
obligations under federal law
and what is required of them as
a government entity, you're in
public schools. And then you go
back the next day and ask them
hang the flag up again. Well, at
that point, if they say no,
that's intentional
discrimination because you put
them on notice of their
obligations. And that could give
rise to punitive damages. I've
seen cases go for anywhere
between three and 1000 to 1.1
million. And it just so happens
I have a pocket full of this
information case law. laying it
out very, very clearly on my
website. So you can go to our
website Yoda lavalla.com, or
Yoda es que.com both under the
Resource tab and get your packet
download it for free. Go to
school, ask them to hang up one
of these. See what they say that
they say no, given the packet,
they say no again, so I'm pretty
simple. Let's see what happens.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, yeah, we
need more lawsuits in the
classroom. That's great. That's
a great idea as you're just
stoking up Feodor
John C Dvorak: es cute I come
down here so I went there to get
the packet No, of course you
did. And so the you know, so
there they have this form you
fill out the form doesn't work.
It's one of these some bonehead
I think it was done on purpose.
So the phone the show when you
try to put a phone number in no
matter what number you put in
there refuses to take it no and
then it will get sent you the
packet and it doesn't register
so I think he's been sabotaged.
But luckily info at Yoder e
sq.com. Just send them a note
and get the packet directly you
have your fixed our website has
your packet on its way. I don't
know yet. I just did this
yesterday.
Adam Curry: Oh I'm so proud of
you. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Well there's what
we need is more lawsuits. You're
right. Yeah,
Adam Curry: more in the
classroom while you're at it
gets Get some cameras in that
classroom the John cedars a lot
John C Dvorak: of this mostly
taking place if they had been
put cameras in the classroom.
Yes.
Adam Curry: So I, I feel the
need because there's a lot of
things going on but we're Big
Pharma is added again and, and
it's really it's so blatant now
and there's so much money coming
into the mainly the M five M
networks but this is a global
thing. This is global. And I
just need to point some of it
out the way the way that this
works as you are being sold
under the guise of here's a
doctor telling you on your
morning television show what's
good for you, or what's not good
for you. And it's all marketing,
all of it. This is in regards to
the fantastic news of a quote
unquote, new new weight loss
drug called Z bound. Well
Unknown: in tonight's
Healthwatch the choose a new
drug in the battle against
obesity. A new version of the
diabetes drug Manjaro will now
be marketed as zero bound it's
for chronic weight management
and trials people who
Stopstopstop
John C Dvorak: I can't quite
make it out. I couldn't make it
out when you set out and maybe
the volumes to name is the name
of the product death bound.
Death bound Why would anyone
take a drug named Death?
Adam Curry: I agree that this
you know so? Well, as we'll hear
in a moment, this is just a
relaunch of an existing product
zip. Zulu echo Papa zip bound,
probably the worst name ever.
Unknown: That's for chronic
weight management and trials.
People who took the highest dose
lost on average 48 pounds, the
price of the weekly over $1,000
a month. drugmaker Eli Lilly
says the cost will likely be
lower if patients have
insurance.
Adam Curry: Okay, so this is
just the beginning of the
marketing push before we go into
the true entertainment version.
Let's go to CNBC. And let's have
one of these analysts. Let's
just explain what an analyst is.
An analyst works for a company
that typically makes market in a
stock. In this case, it will be
Eli Lilly,
John C Dvorak: and didn't have
to be a market did they
Adam Curry: typically take leave
there with a company that makes
a market typically, or took a
company public? There? It's not
always the case. But I think in
this case, it is the Guggenheim.
Okay, the Guggenheim. And so
this analyst or the BIA or his
company has a vested interest in
the stock. How about that? Is
that fair?
John C Dvorak: Or well? Why
would they be on the show is
Adam Curry: exactly. And but of
course there's a Chinese wall
between the trading desk and the
analyst. The analyst just goes
talk to the company, gets all
the information, brings it back,
and then also propagates it on
CNBC.
Unknown: Joining us on the phone
with his reaction is Seamus
Fernandez pharma analyst at
Guggenheim Partners, he has a
buy rating on Eli Eli Lilly. By
rating how coincidence and a
$675. price target. Welcome,
Seamus, let me ask the question.
Is zip bound just a different
version of or a wholly different
drug than Manjaro? Which is Eli
Lilly's entrance in this field
right now? No,
basically. And thanks for having
me. It's basically the same
formulation of
Adam Curry: Manjaro is the same
thing with a crappier name.
Unknown: What is unique here is
it's just a different name that
you have the product and that
basically allows for the company
to track the product much better
when it's used for the treatment
of obesity, and it also is very
helpful in terms of payer
negotiations.
This likely to be the biggest
selling drug of
John C Dvorak: what he's saying
is the name death bound is being
used for tracking purposes only.
I know. I know that that is the
silliest thing I've ever heard.
Adam Curry: No, no, no, because
they have new marketing dollars.
It's like a code. It's like a
like a, you know, so now
John C Dvorak: they know Bungie
No.
Adam Curry: Use your order. You
use code genome. That's exactly
right. It's a marketing tracking
mechanism.
Unknown: It's very helpful in
terms of payer negotiations.
This Oh, I'm
Adam Curry: sorry, I thought
that was you, John crap that was
likely
Unknown: to be the biggest
selling drug of all time.
Adam Curry: And the CNBC guys in
on it? Is this going to be the
biggest selling drug of all
time? Is this
Unknown: likely to be the
biggest selling drug of all
time?
We think it has a very, very
strong shot of being the biggest
drug
John C Dvorak: a second. More so
than ibuprofen thing, aspirin.
Adam Curry: What they mean is
they're going to get the most
money in advertising of all
time. That's what they're
talking about is going to be the
best for our pocket selling drug
Unknown: of all time.
We think it has a very, very
strong shot of being the biggest
drug of all time. Obviously
competing very closely with Novo
Nordisk ozempic. And we go the
as well. But we think that this
category for sure, will be the
largest pharmaceutical market of
all time,
Adam Curry: largest of all time.
And you have to know that Novo
Nordisk, which makes markets
will go V and ozempic. Now is,
its market cap is bigger than
the country, it's from Denmark,
they spent $600 million in the
first nine months alone in the
US on advertising. So it was
about time that we got a
competitor to come in, and boy,
they are flooding the market and
how do you do it? What's What do
you want to do if you have a
competing drug? I think you want
to what does it discredit your
your competitor? Isn't that kind
of discrediting
John C Dvorak: is good and also
getting Dr. Janin? Well,
Adam Curry: yes, Dr. Payal, COE
Hill, Dr.
Unknown: Coley, the so called
ozempic plateau, which seems
like a place you want to
Adam Curry: post them peak
plateau Hold on a second,
there's something wrong with
ozempic. Dr. Coley,
Unknown: talk to us about the so
called ozempic plateau, which
seems like a place in Utah you
want to visit real and why do
people stop losing weight,
you know, it's absolutely real.
If you think about how our body
is designed, it's actually
designed to fight weight loss,
right, because when we're losing
weight, our body goes into a
catabolic state state, it starts
going to a stress response. So
when we trick the body by giving
it ozempic, and essentially sort
of tricking our metabolism, to
get us to lose weight, the
metabolism kind of fights back.
And after a while, you get into
this sort of steady state
pattern where you end up at your
new setpoint. So I like to say
it's sort of like turning your
thermostat down. I like to keep
mine at 72 because I run a
little cold. But if you turn it
down to 60, living at 68, that
will be your new setpoint. So
stop losing weight when you get
to your assembly. And it's a
good thing. Because imagine what
would happen if people kept
Yeah, right on this medication,
actually breaking down tissues,
get nutritional deficiencies and
really start sort of doing more
damage than benefit.
Adam Curry: Ha, it'll do more
damage and benefit. Well, what
is one way you can?
John C Dvorak: I can just going
to predict the next job is going
to be called ozempic. Rebound.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, no, she,
this is even funnier. No, it's
funnier. It's funnier than that.
What happens if you hit the
plateau? Come on? This is a this
is right out of the playbook
John C Dvorak: from a drop dead
Are you get really fat? No, no,
no, no, you gotta get fat in
this deals to make it work. Now
Adam Curry: remember, the
Sackler marketing strategy? What
happens when you know it's not
really not really helping the
pain anymore? What do we have to
do?
John C Dvorak: Get them
addicted.
Unknown: So if you still need to
lose more weight, is
there anything you would do?
Let's say I want to break
through this plateau? Do I
increase my dose? What do I do
here? Yeah,
there's a lot of tricks you can
do. So you can increase the
dose, there's a lot of tricks.
So there's only up to a certain
dose that has been studied, but
a lot of people will call me and
say Dr. Coley, I've stopped
losing weight, and they're in a
lower dose. And I say, well,
let's just go up to the next
dose, knowing that we can push
that. But if you're already at
the highest dose, that's not
really much oh, what you can do
to the Tesla of weight loss
medication. Oh,
Adam Curry: John, Oh, hold on a
second. You can oh, let's just
stop for a second. Now if you
reach the ozempic Plateau, then
you can just up the dose but you
know, a lot of my patients are
already maxed out. So then I
say, just go to the Tesla of
weight loss medication,
Unknown: not really much of an
option. Now what you can do is
switch to the Tesla of weight
loss medications, which is the
newer ozempic Excuse me, Shara
Manjaro. And then there's
another new one coming so the
ozempic is sort of the
death bound the death
John C Dvorak: when did this is
interesting in more than one I
mean, it's an obvious you're
right, the whole thing is just a
scam. But when did Tesla
replaced the Cadillac of or the
Mercedes of or the Rolls Royce
of weight loss? Now that's a
very good question. I don't
think Tesla's in the same league
as what at least insofar as its
impact is Cadillac of Rolls
Royce, which is the one you'd
you'd want to use as the as the
top from della corral. Maybe
Adam Curry: she's got a side
hustle going
John C Dvorak: there's something
going on with using Tesla it's
Adam Curry: pathetic is what it
is me Shara.
Unknown: And then there's
another new one coming. So the
biggest sort of the first
generation, it hits one
receptor,
John C Dvorak: stop again the
another new one coming, which
has already been admitted by the
analyst to be the same drug only
coded for marketing purposes.
Yes. So you could do a numbers
count for the hottest. Next by
the correct answer. That's not
another new one. It's another
it's just the same one with the
old with the but the new name,
but the chic and unaware of
this, and how competent or she
just an incompetent bonehead
that we're listening to?
Adam Curry: Are you questioning
the integrity of Dr. Coley? I
mean, they're a being the
products here the A being the
product names. So now she's
promoting Manjaro. And then
she'll have the code Mancino. I
mean, death bound, and then
they'll see which which one she
did better at which one perform
it's her her key metrics would
he call the KPIs or key
performance indicators, this is
all so cynical over the backs of
people who
Unknown: are taking this first
generation, it hits one
receptor. Now this
Adam Curry: is interesting. So
when she talks about the
receptors, I started looking
into this stuff. The second
Unknown: generation one Manjaro
hits two different receptors.
And then there's actually a
third generation one coming that
hits three receptors. And so if
it was epic, made you lose about
15% On average of your body
weight Manjaro would be 20 and
the third generation would be
25. So a lot of Doc's are sort
of getting people almost there
with the first generation and
then switching them to the newer
and improved version.
John C Dvorak: This is made up
Yes, yes, this is a fantasy.
It's
Adam Curry: fantastic. I love it
if it weren't necessarily I
mean, we don't know. This is
still off label use except for
maybe the I guess the not
Manjaro but the death bound
they've they've received use
authorization and we know that
for I believe so. Yeah, I
John C Dvorak: believe so. You
believe so? I
Adam Curry: don't know for a
fact but I think so. I mean, I
can check it because we have
computers in front of us while
we guessing no. See me death
bound. What was it called again?
John C Dvorak: Zero Deaths FDA.
Approved bound. Death
Adam Curry: bound. Ely FDA
approves. Yes, FDA approves
Lily's zero bound for chronic
weight loss. So yes.
John C Dvorak: Chronic what
weight chronic? What's chronic
weight loss? What does that
mean?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm
not a doctor Jim.
John C Dvorak: Tamron it would
be 70 but chronic weight loss he
can't stop losing weight. That's
what is that what is chronic
weightless? That doesn't even
make any sense. Let me double
Adam Curry: check that link
again. Hold on a second. I keep
putting now now you've got me
typing in death bounds. This is
not good. Eta approval on our
second we'll see number just
look at this link. FDA approves
new medication. Oh, I'm sorry
for chronic weight management
which it makes even less sense.
Wait again,
John C Dvorak: that makes no
sense. But what is wrong with
you? I don't know. I just I have
to deal with weight management
and weight management oriented
all you got a chronic condition.
It doesn't make that did the
usage doesn't make any sense.
But chronic and weight
management is like a non
sequitur. I can't help
Adam Curry: but this is your FDA
at work. This is what this is
what let me see if if I can find
something here. obesity and
overweight are serious
conditions that can be
associated with some of the
leading causes of death such as
heart disease, stroke and
diabetes. This is who has
Division of Diabetes lipid
disorders out there. Oh, okay.
All right. Here we go. Heart
disease, stroke and diabetes
says John Sherratt, MD Director
of the Division of Diabetes
lipid disorders and obesity in
the FDA Center for Drug
Evaluation and Research in light
quote in light of increasing
rates of both obesity and
overweight that's interesting
just using that term overweight
as as a What does that
overweight in the United States
today's approval addresses an
unmet medical need. Wow, these
guys are all on the take. unmet
need. How about ozempic? Oh,
it's not good. We need
deskbound. Alright, let's Oh,
and then they do say zip bound
causes thyroid C cell tumors in
rats, but those are rats. You're
not a rat. You're a human being
don't worry about it. Let's
John C Dvorak: continue with Dr.
Koh causes what in the thyroid C
Adam Curry: cell tumors but only
in rats.
John C Dvorak: That's what
everyone needs is a thyroid
condition. It is
Adam Curry: unknown whether xiP
bound causes such tumors
including medullary thyroid
cancer in humans. Well, that's
interesting. Now let's go to the
next piece here. This is I'm
fascinated by Dr. Coley.
Alright, so
Unknown: I read that some
psychiatrists are prescribing
these weight loss drugs to
counter side effects of certain
antidepressants.
Adam Curry: This is great news.
You're taking antidepressants
you start to gain weight. Yes,
it's medication upon on top of
medication, like weight gain.
What are your thoughts on this?
It seems like a lot of
medication.
Unknown: I'm torn on this one,
Jeff. And I think it's really
complicated. We do this all the
time, we mix our drugs. To
counteract the side effects of
one drug with another drug, I
give a person a statin, it
raises their blood sugar a
little bit, I give them a
medicine to lower the blood
sugar. Those are sort of well
established mixes. But when
we're talking about psychiatry,
right really tricky thing for a
couple of reasons. One, because
we know that ozempic has been
linked to some psychiatric
problems, such as suicidal
ideation, and you know,
depression feelings, like you
want to hurt yourself. So if
you're treating somebody with an
antidepressant, and they gain a
little weight, and then you're
giving them ozempic, which can
actually make the depression
problem worse, we don't yet
know. That could be accounted
for.
John C Dvorak: Hold on. We don't
yet know civically says we don't
yet know. No, now there were
she's making stuff up. And I
have never heard of the ozempic
causing suicidal thoughts. Oh,
yes.
Adam Curry: Show no, I've heard
I've heard this. This show. I
haven't heard it in their ads.
And I have no it showed up in
the marketing for death bound.
Hello. So but this is this is
part of the just so we can
identify the how they're
marketing. This is part of the
marketing. We go to Good Morning
America. Who do we have here?
Well, this is part of the this
may be counter programming this
morning.
Unknown: A potential new use for
the popular weight loss drugs
like ozempic Oh,
wow could
Adam Curry: hit the jingle to
remind people what they're
talking about
Unknown: predicts weight gain in
patients who are taking
antidepressants and
antipsychotics. Some mental
health medications may cause
weight gain. One review
reporting that patients gained
5% of their weight on certain
antidepressants.
One of the leading reasons why
patients stopped taking
medicines for depression, and
other mood disorders is weight
gain. Yet
there's a debate among doctors
psychiatric departments at six
major hospitals telling the New
York Times they were
recommending these weight loss
drugs to patients, while seven
other health systems said they
weren't citing concerns about
the risks and side effects Dr.
Shivani Sethi prescribes them
but carefully carefully.
Adam Curry: I prescribe them but
carefully they
Unknown: are a tool to help our
patients with certain conditions
and I don't believe that they
should be blanket prescribe to
everybody. mom
of three Kristin Eckhart started
taking ozempic in March what is
you know you've got me
Adam Curry: and and bucking on
this now. What is blanket
prescribe to patients what does
that mean as a medical
professional I don't just
blanket prescribe. What do you
think that mean?
John C Dvorak: That means you
just give it to everybody for
everything. It's like you used
to they used to blanket
prescribe penicillin. Wow, okay.
All right. Oh, you got a cold
Pearson penicillin or you got
penicillin Okay, fully. They
Unknown: are a tool to help
our patients with certain
conditions and I don't believe
that they should be blanket
prescribed to everybody.
mom of three Kristin Eckhart
started taking them back in
March, after she gained 20
pounds and developed prediabetes
while taking an antidepressant.
While her mood improved, she
lows, the weight gain mentally
I was feeling a lot more stable,
much less irritable with my
kids. And then I was like, wow,
I'm really stable. I don't feel
like my outside reflects how I
feel inside right now. Oh, I
Adam Curry: don't feel stable on
the outside really hard. She
says she's now
John C Dvorak: where their
fingernails are coming off or
what's going
Adam Curry: on here. He gained
20 pounds because of the
antidepressant sloughing
John C Dvorak: off her skin
sloughing off. I don't know the
weight gain mentally
Unknown: I was feeling a lot
more stable, much less irritable
with my kids. And then I was
like, Wow, thanks.
Adam Curry: Thanks Big Pharma.
I'm much less irritable with my
kids. Oh mighty.
John C Dvorak: be irritable with
your kids and your kid can
experience some irritability.
Yes, thank you. Okay, no kids,
whatever you're doing, Hey,
Jimmy, oh, you can play with
those matches. Don't worry about
it. And I'm good.
Unknown: My outside reflects how
I feel inside right now. And
that's really hard. She says
she's now at a plateau but down
rounds and sees an indefinite
future on both meds.
I don't want to discontinue this
epic because I'm afraid of side
effects there. And I definitely
don't want to discontinue either
of the Mental Health medications
on
Adam Curry: to health, mental
health medication. So she's
really she's now on three. Oh my
god, this poor woman
Unknown: because that's a really
bad idea.
We need more research into the
effect of these medicines as
woman with mental health
disorders. I'm very optimistic
that they will open up a new
chapter in our ability to manage
the weight gain pain associated
with the use of these medicines.
Okay?
John C Dvorak: So in other
words, you're driving me nuts,
Kids, your mom crying all the
time. This is like, okay, so
she's She's like a mom who
doesn't know how to control her
kids. And so it's just take
pills. Unfortunately,
Adam Curry: yeah, we've we've
jacked up everybody. And you
know, instead of dealing with
life and dealing with it in, you
know, in with in many different
ways, deal with just giving
people pills and the pills don't
work well enough, then we have
to have a screw up, and they
have take more pills or pills,
and then you get fat. And then
you're unhappy because you're,
you're 20 Because you're fat,
because you're fat. And you
know, and then you get more. So
PBS. Had a doctor on Dr. Carla
Lester. And this I believe, is
is the true. This is the real
marketing for all of these for
all of these weight loss drugs.
Let's just be honest about it.
It's not for diabetes. This is
being marketed for people who
feel that they're fat, or maybe
they are fat. But how does it
actually work? What is actually
going on with these and and
you're going to hear some terms
here, which are titled worthy
for the show, which I believe to
be 100%. Marketing
Unknown: drugs like Wigo V and
ozempic are two medications that
have become popular for their
weight loss benefits, and their
increased popularity has put a
spotlight on terms like food
chatter, and food noise is the
idea of being preoccupied with
food or eating. And while the
medications can come with a
hefty price tag, patients say
the drastic change in their
relationship to food is worth
it. And as a popular hashtag on
social media. 1000s have been
sharing their own stories about
food noise and these GLP one
medications like ozempic Do you
know what food noises food
chatter emotional chatter I'm
Dr. Carla, Dr. Carla lessor is a
pediatrician and an obesity
physician who has been looking
at the relationship between food
noise and these medications,
food noise,
Adam Curry: food chatter, these
are people who I'm gonna spoiler
alert. These are people who are
severely addicted to sugar. And
we now call that food noise. Dr.
Unknown: Lester, thank you so
much for being here. Thank you.
Thank you. So wait
John C Dvorak: a second. What
are the how are they defining?
She said she used it as though
it was some sort of a term that
was in play. What does it mean?
She's
Unknown: going to explain? I'd
like to ask you if you could
define what food noise is,
according to physicians, and
what causes it. Food noise or
food chatter isn't a medical
term per se, it's
Adam Curry: a marketing charm.
But these are patients
Unknown: people who experience
kind of constant noise in their
brain. So they have a constant
craving mind for food. So it's
despite hunger and it doesn't
necessarily relate to their
weight either. So their food
cravings kind of rule the day
they may have just eating and
they're looking forward or
thinking about the next meal, or
the next snack. And as patients
are big started on medications
like Ozanne the glycol Goby like
Manjaro for the first time in
their lives, they're
experiencing a quiet mind
they're going throughout their
day without this constant food
noise food chatter
Adam Curry: of the I was
addicted to tobacco have been,
which does have some addictive
properties. So yeah, and by the
way, I quit cold turkey, it's
been almost a year not a problem
and quit. I don't smoke anything
anymore. But so the common
addiction noise is really if as
a doctor, even while it's not
really a medical term is food
noise because you keep hearing
in your brain. So what these
drugs do, is they hit your
receptors. Now, I believe that
to be in your brain, but
supposedly you have receptors
everywhere in your body. And
this woman is going to contort
her way in it contort her words
in so many ways to avoid just
saying that people are addicted
to sugar, because that's what it
is. But no, no, you have food
noise.
Unknown: For some people. The
food noise is constant for some
it's non existent. Is there some
biological reason that some
people experience different
amounts of food noise? Well, I
Adam Curry: believe different
amounts of food.
John C Dvorak: It's just such a
dumb question. Oh, it's great.
Well, this is this is journalism
at its worst
Adam Curry: he BS PBS,
Unknown: the sophisticated PBS
amounts of food noise. Well, I
believe that there are a few
reasons why we experienced that.
Number one is I believe our
essence our bodies are adapted
to keep us basically exactly
where we are the status quo. So
somebody who has insulin
resistance, a patient who's
struggling with obesity will
have more of those hunger cues
less of the fullness cues, and
so they may have more of the
food noise and food chatter
throughout the day. So
biologically, we need to give
ourselves a massive break
because it's it's physiologic.
It's brain science, or bucks
brain
Adam Curry: science. Whoa, there
you go. It's brain science.
Well, that sounds like you
should use use any old drug.
Brain Science is great. Look at
the antidepressants you've been
taking. It didn't work, get
another antidepressant didn't
work? Well, we'll get you some
brain science to stop the food
noise in your head as
Unknown: a break because it's
it's physiologic, it's brain
science. Our bodies were not
meant to be exposed to sugar
levels of insulin and for sure,
not persistently high levels of
insulin. So over time, when
Adam Curry: she says high levels
of insulin doesn't she mean
sugar is that what she's saying
here is that the translation or
my simplifying it too much.
John C Dvorak: Insulin would be
a result of high levels of
insulin would be the result of
sugar intake. So there's a
connection because that's what
she's saying, No,
Unknown: we're not persistently
high levels of insulin. So over
time, the body adapts and
becomes resistant to it which
creates higher levels. So we
know that we have this addictive
trifecta of refined sugars or
processed carbohydrates with
trans fats and Saltram create
addictive pathways and cravings
in our mind and so humans are
highly in tune with our senses.
So just a visual cue smelling it
with somebody cooking hearing it
that will induce craving
pathways in the brain that will
create more food noise and food
chatter throughout the urban
Adam Curry: so yes, she's she's
literally explaining how we've
all become sick. In the United
States. not all but many people
because you you are infusing so
much sugar that you're addicted
to it and then all you need is
just an image. Just an image of
flash on TV.
John C Dvorak: So when I'm
looking at Cinnabon, the smell
of a Cinnabon in the airport. Oh
man
Adam Curry: it smells so good
and oh, I need it I crave it
like the smell of a cigarette
like the like the anything that
you can get addicted to we've
addicted people and now we're
selling them the antidote, which
could give you a cancer. Oh, so
Unknown: then why do certain
types of medications like GLP
one medications affect how food
noise is perceived in the body?
Adam Curry: Food noise perceived
in the body mean your brain the
addictive quality in the body
fine. Well, the GLP
Unknown: one medications have a
lot of effects in the body
because we have GLP one
receptors in many parts of our
body. So how it works is in
different ways. So works in the
gut, it delays gastric emptying,
so patients feel a sense of
fullness, gastric emptying,
Adam Curry: does that mean it
makes you constipated? It stops
gastric.
John C Dvorak: Well, what is
that? Yes. Drink emptying. What
is that? That means you can't
put this stuff in your stomach
gets pushed down to the
intestines? No, it's
Adam Curry: Hold on. That's not
what she said. Hold on a second
Unknown: when she said she said
and so that helps in that way.
It also helps in the gut to
Adam Curry: me, I'm gonna go
back here. There's
Unknown: our body. So how it
works is in different ways. So
works in the gut, it delays
gastric emptying, delays
Adam Curry: gastric emptying, so
it doesn't it doesn't push it
down. It delays it so you're
full, you're full of crap. Am I
to understand that?
John C Dvorak: Dr. Dvorak? Well,
it wouldn't be crap. The crap
forms later, but you'd be
freeing up digested food just
lingering and going bad in the
stomach. No
Adam Curry: wonder people are
great. belches Yeah, people are
puking from this stuff. No
wonder okay? Because a promotes
not pushing it down to the
intestines. Okay, so patients
feel
Unknown: a sense of weight.
John C Dvorak: I guess that
would account for the frozen
stomachs. Exactly.
Adam Curry: Frozen stomach,
because it's been big ball of
pre poop. And
Unknown: so that helps in that
way. It also helps in the gut to
restore how it's supposed to
work is how I explain it to my
patients and teens. So it takes
Adam Curry: care of teens, fat
teens, oh my god, this is these
people are horrible.
Unknown: What we're finding out
is sometimes when you try a
medication and medicine, we find
out oh, there's all these other
side effects that are
beneficial. And so a powerful
one has been to decrease the
food noise, the food chatter,
the constant cravings, the
patient's experience. And so
when we talk about food noise or
these cravings, we're not
necessarily talking about
hunger. But what is the
difference between hunger and
food noise? Yeah, that's a good
question. So hunger would be the
physiologic sensation that you
need to eat and then the food
noise and food Chatter is more
like the craving mind. So that
can be induced by so many
different things. You know,
we're not taught how to check in
with ourselves throughout the
day. We're having a lot of
stress or restricting ourselves
Food and then we'll get more of
that chatter throughout the day.
John C Dvorak: Ah, definitely
check in with ourselves Hey,
Adam Curry: hey baby self How
you doing?
John C Dvorak: I gotta check in
so
Adam Curry: so this is clearly
this is why they're, they're
saying things like oh it could
also help against cocaine
addiction and other things and
it's so beneficial because it's
doing something to your brain it
is disrupting the neural
pathways that you have
associated with sugar addiction,
which by itself sounds like
pretty good, but let's first
let's just admit what it is and
say hey, we're messing with your
brain, but I don't think anyone
really knows what the true side
effects long term can be. And
how does that affect anything I
expect fully expect the fast
food industry to start fighting
this by telling you that you're
going to die from these drugs
we're going to have studies that
are going to show all if you
take these things which severely
impact our bottom line because
people aren't eating sweets
John C Dvorak: if before he I
liked the thesis but I don't
know that the fast food industry
can think like that
Adam Curry: hmm, I would think
that well
John C Dvorak: I think if you
worked there and you were
presenting this I even somebody
presenting it like you just did
I wonder if they can think like
that
Adam Curry: there's got to be at
least one look at Mars or any
like the forgets fast food.
Let's just think about sweets
candy, Cadbury Mars, these guys
their bottom lines getting hit
because people aren't aren't
snacking because the filter
John C Dvorak: evidence of this
evidence not yet,
Adam Curry: right yet. And not
yet. Not yet yet. But I have a
feeling. If this rolls out the
way it is that people will not
be eating sweets as much. They
may Good.
John C Dvorak: Well, hold on.
I'm gonna keep arguing with this
point of yours because I know
what you're trying to say. But
I'm going to argue against it.
It's quite likely that if you
can lose weight on all this with
this stuff, and you get real
thin, you say, Well, I can eat
more sweets possibly may
actually boost the bottom line
as
Adam Curry: well. Why don't you
Why don't you go long goes epic,
John C Dvorak: and I can eat
more sweets, I don't have to cut
down on my I don't have to worry
about
Adam Curry: what I eat. I'm
gonna go short, you can go
along.
John C Dvorak: I will go along.
Adam Curry: Now the next
question is, Will does it
behoove insurance companies to
pay for this? Because you really
want the insurance? I mean, the
Met the pharmaceutical industry
wants people sick. But of course
they are, you know, in bed with
the insurance companies? Where
does where does this have to
give? I mean, do we want people
getting healthy by allowing
insurance to pay for it or not?
It may be CNBC has an answer
Unknown: and and who's gonna pay
for it? And how because the list
price is 1000 a month? You're
gonna cover it, I assume, but
most insurers are probably not
going to want to correct Yeah, I
John C Dvorak: mean, I think
this is probably stop again.
Keep in mind that why does he
say that? Why does he want you
to go back and play that again.
But I'm gonna ask the more
simple question or the earlier
question, a question that should
be asked that they won't ask on
CNBC ever. What, what? What
gives them the right data?
Right, you can do whatever you
want. But what gives them the
impetus? Well, the impetus is
another thing. This drug doesn't
cost that much to manufacture,
they're gouging the public, why
doesn't somebody do something
about gouging? This is probably
a $10 drug, not 1000? Well,
Adam Curry: these semaglutide
Phoebe, the semaglutide is is a
generic, it's open source. It's
free, it's free. You can
basically buy it, and many
different online, you can buy
it, boom, you have to buy your
own syringe and inject it, then
the marketing you can't put on
there just like ozempic or, you
know, I can't believe it's not
well, govi you can't see me.
It's okay. You can have your
food noise later. Let's listen
to this guy right off the bat. I
presume they don't want to pay
for it. Why not? If it's if it's
saving, the idea is it's
healthy. We know it's not but
it's healthy. It is saving
people from dying from cardiac
issues because they're severely
obese or overweight, but I
presume
John C Dvorak: that they don't
want to burn it
Unknown: and and who's going to
pay for it and how because the
list price is 1000 a month. Some
insurers are going to cover it I
assume but most insurers are
probably not going to want to
correct
Yeah, I mean, I think this is
probably the main challenge. Is
is gaining reimbursement but for
the obesity opportunity over
time, that being obese have the
opportunity
Adam Curry: this. What's your
Wow, what's your obesity
opportunity index? This is good.
John C Dvorak: Opportunity,
obesity. You have
Unknown: some really important
data coming this weekend. From
Novo Nordisk called the Select
study, oh,
Adam Curry: we've got new
studies coming standby and
marketing on the way.
Unknown: And that could really
prove out that the benefits of
this product for patients who
have high cardiovascular risk,
so this may become more of a
cardiovascular drug at the end
of the day, that's how we do it.
So use broadly in the diabetes
setting as well. And there's a
very compelling argument for
both managing weight and blood
sugar as driving material
benefits in a patient population
diagnosed with diabetes, and
these products have been moving
forward in the treatment regimen
among physicians for the last
decade, honestly, and now that
they've got potent drugs like
this. They're looking forward to
using them earlier and earlier
in the treatment paradigm. So it
always makes sense a paradigm
John C Dvorak: makes up, I love
it.
Unknown: They're looking forward
to using them earlier and
earlier in the treatment
paradigm. So it always makes
sense to pay for diabetes drugs,
for sure. It always makes sense
to treat patients with high
cardiovascular risk. And then
more broadly, that's just the
weight loss drug, you know, for
patients who were, you know,
trying to lose a little bit of
weight or don't want to go to
the gym as much. I think that's
a little bit of a different
dialogue.
Adam Curry: You don't want to go
to the gym, take a shot, it's
fine. Don't worry about it.
Okay, I get it. So they're going
so because they are approved for
weight loss. What was it? What
was that? What was it again?
John C Dvorak: The great mid
paradigm? No, no,
Adam Curry: the weight loss
thing was on a second I'll get
it with chronic weight
management. So chronic weight
management will be seen as good
for your heart. That may be that
way we can get I just I don't
understand the insurance
business. Isn't the point that
you don't want to you don't want
to pay out more money. So
wouldn't you want to get people
on the obesity opportunity
drugs, anti obesity opportunity
drugs, so they got
John C Dvorak: it $1,000 A pop
and they know it's not doesn't
cost that much to even come
close to manufacturing price.
Okay, so that's they're, they're
not they're not going to be good
insurance companies not to
defend them. No, they just don't
want to be taken for suckers.
Okay, and that's what this
sounds like. And so you're an
insurance company send these
1000 bucks. Why wait, it costs
you 10 cents to make this stuff
and he's gonna gouge us for 1000
bucks because you can Yeah, no,
Adam Curry: yeah. No. Anyway,
Eli Lilly stock jumped on the
the approval of the drug. So but
I just none of this sounds good.
Doesn't sound healthy. You
should just not eat. Just don't
eat sugary snacks all day.
Simple. They don't know what's
going on only causes cancer in
rats. Who cares? It's a rat. We
want them to even
John C Dvorak: test it then.
You're testing it on the RAT for
Adam Curry: a reason. Yeah,
because the rat has similar
doesn't the rat genetics
John C Dvorak: the rat gets
you'll get Yeah, but when the
rat gets some then you say hey,
you know I don't know. Screw it.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, stupid rat.
Ah, anyway, so we're being
flooded with true mis and
disinformation for marketing
purposes from competing drugs.
And this hitting network
competing networks or PBS
doesn't Eli Lilly, aren't they
an underwriter of PBS, and
John C Dvorak: I'll evolve the
drug companies are Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: true. But they all
they all compete. And that's um,
that's what you're being being
shoved. Oh, it's just it's so
disheartening. And what do we
say we should not allow
advertising sponsorship
underwriting whatever you want
to call it on television or any
media no and and how come
they're not corrupts
John C Dvorak: the system and
the system is totally corrupted
by it. That you
Adam Curry: know what they
should do only allow it on
podcasts? Cuz I would I would
switch in a heartbeat.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we'd be
advertising sent value for value
Adam Curry: Screw that. We would
we would slam ozempic In a
heartbeat for the competing food
noise Solution brought to you
which is death bound as this
great man who that really bugs
me. Who came up with that name?
What mean? I'd like to be in
that meeting. All right, you
know ozempic has Oh ozempic is
dynamite. You know, everybody. I
mean, they're even doing ads of
the guy Pylab
Unknown: depth, depth depth.
Adam Curry: No, we needed a new
song we needed we needed a new
version of a classic but then
they come up with zip bound.
Why? Why I don't understand. Zip
bound. So stupid.
John C Dvorak: Probably has a
different meaning in Denmark.
Oh,
Adam Curry: no, Eli Lilly is zip
bound. They're not in Denmark.
That's Novo Nordisk. They're the
ozempic they're smart. They are
geniuses marketing genius right
there. To get Hollywood to use
it. So now the hashtag is food.
Nice. Food. Nice food chatter.
Means your brain is addicted.
addicted. Now, though, we
John C Dvorak: have iOS any
thing on this? No, I'm done. I'm
done. Don't take it boys watch
debates, which were last night.
Yeah. Yes. Worst ever hold on.
Adam Curry: I give avec high
marks for being entertaining.
high marks, high marks to Vivec.
John C Dvorak: She, she said
something on these debates,
which just too much, but I have
a bunch of clips. They're all
short, with the exception of one
of them. Which was the fight
they got into a fight. I just
took a chunk. I didn't really I
mean, I don't have the whole
thing broken down. I just have a
piece where they got into it to
the point where they're starting
to yell at each other. And
Adam Curry: we set the stage
first. This is the Republican
debates on NBC on NBC makes
total sense. With Kristen Welker
welcome, walk in Christopher
Walken, moderating with the
other dude, what's his? what's
that guy's name? Who took over
the Lester
John C Dvorak: Holt. Listen,
this this podcast or radio guy
who looks just like Stephen
King, and every time they put
him on the screen, I gotta jump
back a little bit. And
Adam Curry: so this didn't
include Trump by far the
foreigner who instead counter
programmed in Florida, and had
his thing going on there. And so
it's really it's really just
entertainment. I mean, none of
these people have a shot at
becoming the nominee. No, so
it's just it's just purely for
for Megyn Kelly to be outraged
over isn't that what this is
forced is just
John C Dvorak: I think so. And
the thing though, is raunchy No,
the best part? Yes. The best
part was Nikki Haley. Yes, under
her breath, calling vervaecke
Skunk
Adam Curry: Alright, let's get
into these clips. Tell me what
did we go
John C Dvorak: says starts off
at a stupid question asked by
Hal Holbrook. Whoever that guy
was that third guy. It starts
off with a dumb question about
should we ban Tiktok and the
whole thing got into it got into
a heated screaming match. But it
starts off with Chris Christie.
Gallagher,
Unknown: who is chairman of the
House bipartisan Select
Committee on the Chinese
Communist Party published a long
essay on Tik Tok following the
flooding of pro Hamas propaganda
on the tick tock accounts across
the United States Chairman
Gallagher called it shocking he
called the app predatory
controlled by America's
preeminent adversary one use to
push propaganda and divide
America. It's spyware. He said a
means of surveillance. Governor
Christie, do you agree with
Chairman Gallagher and if so,
would you ban or force the sale
of Tiktok? I
agree 100% With Gallagher Well,
let me say this tick tock is not
only spyware. It is polluting
the minds of American young
people all throughout this
country. And they're doing it
intentionally. And when you saw
what happened in the last few
weeks, with all of this anti
semitic, horrible stuff that
their algorithms were pushing
out. Algo gargantuan rate
gargantuan This is China trying
to further divide the United
States of America. This is one
of the big failings among many
of the Trump administration. He
talked tough about tic toc. I
heard him do it many times. But
when it came down to it, he did
not ban them when he could have
and should have. And now since
then, we've had an additional
nearly six years of this type of
poison be put out throughout the
United States, even putting
aside the spine, which we know
is going on in the theft of
American personal data and
information. Okay,
Adam Curry: I just have to make
a few comments here. First of
all, I love the tough tic toc
toc. That's very good. You know,
the this part of this is because
of a debate where Hallie was on
the floor saying we've, you
know, the Senate saying we've
got to ban tick tock, and then
Rand Paul got up and said, Are
you nuts? Do you want
Republicans to lose everything?
So if this is the main platform
young people are on? I don't
know if that came up in the
debate. But there's so much in
here. Tick tock is used by China
to steal our data much more than
any other app on your phone. Oh,
yeah. I'm sure. Oh, yeah, that's
right. It's spyware. Oh, yeah,
sure. Yeah. But it's more
spyware than any of the SDKs
that meta or anyone else uses.
Oh, yeah. It's much, much worse
even know what spyware. They
don't they're full of crap that
this guy is disqualified. He
should get on the ozempic.
John C Dvorak: Nine that but he
lied about the fact that Trump
Trump did try to treat banned
tick tock, and it was the courts
that told him no, and that was
the end of it. Yes. Somebody did
it later in the debate, somebody
corrected him.
Adam Curry: It's also a very bad
precedent. Don't you think? It's
ridiculous, because who do they
ban next? You know, who's next
on the block? Well, he
John C Dvorak: brings up another
point, and then that point has
to be slipped into the question
for the next guy. But let's go
to Christie to So
Unknown: in my first week as
President, we would ban tick
tock, they want to go ahead and
sell it. Let them go ahead and
sell it. But I'll tell you
another reason we would do it.
Facebook's not in China. x is
not in China, what? They're not
permitting a free flow of
information to the Chinese
people from our social media
companies.
Adam Curry: Oh, Chris. Oh,
Chris.
John C Dvorak: So the question
has to be restated with the with
that with that in mind. So we
end up with the three.
Adam Curry: Sorry, rewind this
and Rhonda DeSantis.
Unknown: Would you man Okay, is
that turning? I
John C Dvorak: talked and want
to go to the podcast guy who
used to be a radio guy went
knocking Hugh Hewitt or whatever
his name. Oh, whew, I got you. I
Unknown: want to go to the
Santas. Would you ban or force
the sale of Tiktok regardless of
whether or not China allowed
American apps to operate in
China? Yes.
I think that China's the top
threat we face they've been very
effective at infiltrating
different parts of our society.
So my policy on China and the
Chinese Communist Party is very
simple. We win. They lose.
Adam Curry: Wow, that's some
tough talk. I like it.
John C Dvorak: What does that
even mean? Chop tear. I have a
policy. Hey, Adam. I have a
policy. Yeah, we win. We win.
You lose heads, I
Adam Curry: win tails you lose
John C Dvorak: that policy, or
is that some sort of wishful
thinking? What is that? Really?
It's entertainment policy.
Adam Curry: It's entertainment.
John C Dvorak: How is that a
policy? It's
Adam Curry: something that Tim
the pool man get very upset
about because it's the wrong
boots. You have lifts in your
boots and you're talking dumb.
John C Dvorak: So okay, so that
was the stupidest thing in the
whole debate. I might add, did
it?
Adam Curry: Did anyone say bomb
China? Bomb
John C Dvorak: again. If she was
if she was there, we would have
had that. So here we go into
Santas. Born and then they
introduce Haley. Oh, Nikki. Nick
comes into play here.
Adam Curry: She loves war.
Doesn't she know she's a war
monger? No, no, no, she loves
war. Just like war. I like
watching war videos. I like
watch anything John Wayne. And
war is good. We
Unknown: win. They lose. And in
order to do that it's not just
military. It's economic. And
it's cultural. And as the dad of
a six, five and a three year
old, I'm concerned about the
data that they're getting from
our young people. And what
Adam Curry: do you have your
kids on? Tick tock, you know,
I'm not better. No, I'm
John C Dvorak: thing is five and
a three and he's concerned that
the Chinese are stealing
information from these kids.
They shouldn't
Adam Curry: be on Tik Tok.
They're polluting their phone.
Thank you.
Unknown: I'm concerned about the
data that they're getting from
our young people.
Adam Curry: Oh, they got data.
Like Oracle has nothing the data
brokers don't have anything. No,
no, it's tick tock grabbing
spyware. This is insulting to
anyone who knows. Even the
tiniest bit. You know, just
before we get to this, there was
an actual hack of the what do
you call it? That Atlassian
software company trying to think
what it's called now. And it's
the contractors I know who work
for the military are saying this
is is the worst. And China has
everything. They have all
information from any contractor
who does any kind of technology
work on anything in our US
military, if they, you know,
they've they're kind of like,
you know, you guys kind of plug
that hole don't make this
public. Don't tell me about it.
And it's Atlassian Atlassian is
it? And it is horrible and
there's no attention paid to it
zero instead. Oh, no, China's
giant. Tick tock is spying on
your Confluence constantly.
You've heard of confluence.
Caught the product Confluence.
John C Dvorak: No, I don't know
the product Confluence. Everyone
Adam Curry: uses it is where you
put all your notes, all the
programming code, just like
GitHub on steroids. It's been
hacked for a few weeks now. And
they're not talking about it.
But it's, it's really, really
bad. And no, no tick tock with
with Rhonda as five year old
Unknown: old, I'm concerned
about the data that they're
getting from our young people
and what they're doing to
pollute the minds of our young
people, these kids get these
devices and they have a mind of
their own. And I know a lot of
parents are looking, it's hard
to even keep it out. China's
obviously the most extreme, but
this is happening with other
things. So we are going to do
that. And we are going to make
sure to protect the American
people. It's a full spectrum
approach to be able to fend
China off. Yes. Military
deterrence, yes. Economic
decoupling. Also their role in
our culture. If we don't, if we
ignore that, we're not going to
be able to win the fight.
Together. Ambassador Haley said
to the parents out there,
they're probably tick tock apps
on half the phone.
No, I'm gonna speak to the fact
that two people hit me and you
didn't let me respond. So let's
first talk about the fact that
they want to talk about the
Chinese land from 10 years ago.
Yes, I brought a fiberglass
company 10 years ago to South
Carolina. But Ron, you are the
chair of your economic
development agency that as of
last week, said Florida is the
ideal place for Chinese
businesses. Not only that, you
have a company that is
manufacture of Chinese military
planes. You have it, they are
expanding to training sites at
two of your airports now, one
which is 12 miles away from a
naval base, then you have
another company that's
expanding, and they were just
invaded by the Department of
Homeland Security. Oh,
Adam Curry: so now we have
millionaires who've been a part
of the military industrial
complex comparing who has worst
stuff in their state in their
states. Nikki Haley, you know,
there's a lot of Republicans who
really dig her. I don't know. I
can't I
John C Dvorak: don't get it
either.
Adam Curry: I don't understand.
I
John C Dvorak: andriese. A
horror. She seems like a
horrible person.
Adam Curry: I don't get it. I
just don't get it. Why did
John C Dvorak: she get it? Well,
it just gets worse. So let's
five. This is a good finish that
one. Yeah, that's done. That's
done. That was for. Okay. So I
didn't know that. They were
building Chinese military planes
in Florida. But that's what she
says. Yeah. But what happens?
What did they find back to
China? Well, what's the deal? I
find out so I never heard that.
So but okay. So now we start
getting into it because she
opens the gate to bickering. So
here we go with the fight that
started
Unknown: mine was 10 years ago.
What's your story? Then? I
abolished that agency that she's
talking about. Enterprise
Florida. We abolished it. And of
course, we banned China for
buying the website. Recruiting,
banning them from purchasing.
Adam Curry: Florida, use grab
your website laughing. This is
an embarrassment.
Unknown: Mr. Ramaswamy. We've
talked about this you campaign
on tick tock. How do you get to
talk banned if you use it?
Well, I want to laugh at why
Nikki Haley didn't answer your
question, which was about
looking at families in the eye.
In the last debate, she made fun
of me for actually joining Tik
Tok while her own daughter was
actually using the app for a
long time. So you might want to
take care of your family first.
The next generation of Americans
are using and that's actually
the point of her supporters.
Propping her up that's fine.
Here's the truth. Here's the
answer.
Adam Curry: Leave my daughter
out of your voice. You spoke it
was mouth and then you should
have slapped him. Like will will
did to his to Chris Rock.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that would
have been that what you hear
carefully at the end or she
calls him Scott.
Adam Curry: No, I know. I heard
everyone heard it. I'm gonna
play it again. Right. You're
just scum. Here's the truth.
Your easy answer. Just calm.
This is a scam. That Well, in a
way he's scummy. In a way,
they're all scum. This
John C Dvorak: is this is
something I think there's some
subtle, more subtle thing there.
both Indian and she's Indian
tonight think that there's a
planning issue here.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's what we
need in our politics. Yeah. We
don't we didn't we didn't have
Indian classicism yet. Oh, good.
I have 121 second clip of Haley,
which I thought was on the level
of Judge Jeanine and it was
about what she would say to
Benjamin not Netanyahu about
Hamas, Hamas.
John C Dvorak: I just play it
because the last clip is gonna
wrap it. The first
Unknown: thing I said to him
when it happened was I said,
finish them, finish them finish
Adam Curry: them. That's like,
end them. It's like that is so
creepy. The way she says that?
Yeah, she should creep. Finish
them. Finish them. All right.
John C Dvorak: Here we go. So
this is the final clip of this
of the debate is all about this
one topic. I didn't go any
further. I could clip thing all
night. But this is the bickering
stuff and here we go with the
fight continued. And this is the
just, it just falls apart.
Unknown: Here's the truth. Your
easy answer is actually to say
that we're just going to ban one
app, we got to go further. We
have to ban any US company
actually transferring US data to
the Chinese here's a story. Most
people don't know Airbnb, hands
over us user data to the CCP
that's a US owned company. So
this is the problem when you
have Republicans that
temporarily go the way the winds
blow and now it's popular to
talk tough on China when she was
UN Ambassador called them
literally her words not mine our
great friend
Adam Curry: you know what he
should have done? He says you're
just a dot head. He should have
done that you towelhead Nikki
Haley
Unknown: and when you have
Republicans that temporarily go
the way the winds blow and now
it's popular to talk tough on
China when she was UN Ambassador
called them literally her words
not my our great friend. He
can't be fairweather fans of the
right policy. Get to the root
cause even US companies in
Silicon Valley are regularly
doing it. The virtue signaling
the fact of the matter is
Democrats are on tick tock today
the only person one of the few
people who stop stop stop
John C Dvorak: it this guy
rattles off stuff so fast. He's
a fast talker, Ben Shapiro. Yes.
Well, no one's doing data to
China because you get paid money
is not virtue signaling. No,
that's called but he makes it
sound as though the whole thing
is that you're interrelate
virtue signaling stop virtue
signaling by sending your data
to China what that doesn't make
any sense. But he's talked so
fast he Blathers, this stuff out
like a machine gun. And you
know, it's it's I don't like
hey,
Adam Curry: are you getting
worked up over this? Yeah, doing
the right to
Unknown: get to the root cause
even US companies in Silicon
Valley are regularly doing it.
The virtue signaling. The fact
of the matter is Democrats are
on tick tock today, the only
person one of the few people who
is putting up content the way
the actual algorithms work
speaking for pro Israel views or
others and more Republicans will
join it to stop us companies
from turning over data to
Chinese companies that
don't get to respond to personal
attacks. But you do.
Thank you very much. You know,
when he talks about me praising
China, he doesn't know the fact
that the reason China was
praised was because I negotiated
with China and Russia the
largest set of sanctions against
North Korea in a generation. We
are the that is literally the
reason North Korea stopped
testing ballistic missiles. So I
said China did good on their
Adam Curry: way. I thought it
was Trump who said I got a
button here and mind go boom,
wasn't
John C Dvorak: her she's the one
who did it. Oh, Nikki,
Adam Curry: whoa, we should give
her money
Unknown: because I negotiated
with China and Russia the
largest set of sanctions against
North Korea in a generation. We
are the that is literally the
reason North Korea stopped
testing ballistic missiles. So I
said China did good on their
part. That was
you said Nikki, those are your
words not mine is to just own up
to you would never lie to the
people about my
everyday I fought China and I
did it by making sure no agency
heads in un. I did it by making
sure that we call them out on
human rights. I did it by making
sure that we held them
accountable on everything that
they did. That's the reason we
got out of the Human Rights
Council. That's the reason we
call them out. And I have theirs
Adam Curry: was made afterwards.
100% Entertainment is great.
This is fantastic. This is fun
to watch. This is why we watch
debates. This the only reason
that I have I have a clip my one
clip, I thought debates Yes. I
look at the opening Vivec
Ramaswamy. And the first thing
he does is he takes the the the
cheer woman of the Republican
Party. Isn't Isn't she a Romney?
John C Dvorak: She's the rah
rah. I think she's even related.
I think she is. Yeah. Yeah.
Related to the Romney since
robic Romney eight
Adam Curry: Ronna Romney. Run
isn't that women see her name
is? I'm gonna look at real good
Ronna Romney McDaniel. And not
just that he takes the host to
task. I thought this was the
best of the entire entertainment
show.
Unknown: Please make your case.
Why would you? Why should you be
the nominee and not the former
president?
I think there's something deeper
going on in the Republican Party
here and I am upset about what
happened last night. We become a
party of losers. At the end of
the day was cancer, the
Republican establishment speak
the truth. I mean, since Rhonda
McDaniel took over as chairwoman
of the RNC in 2017. We have lost
2018 2020 2022 No red wave that
never came. We got trounced last
night in 2023. And I think that
we have to have accountability
in our party. For that matter.
Ron, if you want to come on
stage tonight you want to look
the GOP voters in the eye and
tell them you resign. I will
turn over my yield my time to
you. And frankly, look, the
people they're cheering for
losing and the Republican Party.
Think about who's moderating
this debate. This should be
Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and
Elon Musk 10 times the
viewership asking questions that
GOP primary voters actually care
about and bringing more people
into our party, getting the
Democrats and we've got Kristen
getting a demo Democrats would
actually hire Greg Gutfeld,
toasted democratic they wouldn't
do it. I mean, Chris, I'm gonna
use this talk because it's
actually about you in the media
and the corrupt media
establishment. Ask you the Trump
Russia collusion hoax that you
pushed on this network for
years. Was that real? Or was
that Hillary Clinton made up
misinformation? Answer the
question go,
Adam Curry: go. I love that by
the way, answer the question go
I gotta use that was that
Hillary Clinton should try that
with your wife.
John C Dvorak: Everybody out
there listening to this show
should think about using that
technique.
Unknown: Question. Didn't need
this information. Answer the
question go. This
accountability because this
media rig the 2016 election,
they rigged the 2020 election
with the Hunter Biden laptop
story. This electric time is
accountability.
Adam Curry: Fabulous, I thought
that was great. I really loved
it. That has nothing to do with
the presidential debate.
John C Dvorak: None to do.
Adam Curry: I love I gotta call
Joe. Because you know, Joe,
he'll be like, This is so weird.
He doesn't understand any of us
is so weird that people think
that I should be leading the
debate with Elon and what was
the what was the other one? With
Elon Musk? Greg and Tucker?
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That'll be the
that'll Megyn Kelly get ready to
talk about something that Dan
bond Gino, your review
background was rollers
absolutely right. Gino use promo
code bond Gino. Meanwhile, there
were some actual problems with
the this this off year vote,
which for some states. There are
some people know there's some
positions and state legislative
legislations that had to be
voted on Texas had a whole bunch
of propositions. But I think I
said no to almost every single
one of them. Hey, should the
state of Texas make money
available to build
pharmaceutical facilities? No.
Should we make money available
to build out broadband? No, let
them do it commercially, you
know, stupid questions. But this
voting machine glitches, actual
glitches while we've got to show
let's not talk about what
happened in Pennsylvania.
Unknown: Now headlines with
words like voting machines
malfunction, voting machine
glitch flipped votes, issue and
voting machines and counties
face and ballot marking machine
issues headlines like these on
the day of an election add to
the distrust in America's
democracy.
Adam Curry: By the way, this is
not some mainstream news. This
is straight arrow news
Northampton
Unknown: County, Pennsylvania
with a population of over
300,000. Voters were asked to
decide whether two judges should
be retained for additional 10
year terms. When voters received
their printed voting summary.
The yes or no votes were
switched. Election officials
learned it was an issue on all
300 Plus voting systems in the
county. Election officials say
it was a clerical and coding
error. Even though printed
voting records showed a switch
in votes. The voting machines
back end system tabulated the
votes accurately. Don't worry
Adam Curry: the back end off
it'd be the back end systems.
got you covered. It's all fine.
Meanwhile, in
Unknown: Kentucky with a
governor's race on the line
voting machines in some counties
were selecting the wrong options
on touchscreens when a voter
went to select a straight party
votes. Election officials say
sometimes it would highlight the
wrong party. Oh, yes. Yes, we've
had
issues. This is not the way
elections supposed to be
conducted. That all sounds
horrible. But that's not the
voting. That's a ballot marking
device. No.
Okay. Apparently, the issue was
a persistent one starting days
before during early voting,
that's according to the election
official. So these flyers were
hung at polling locations,
alerting a voter to select their
candidate by clicking their
name, rather than the tiny box.
All right,
Adam Curry: so that was
throughout the country, then
Pennsylvania, people, people
noticed that their votes were
flipped. And this immediately
became an issue. They they
hauled in the the Senior Vice
President of customer operations
of election systems and
software, as the company
responsible for the Pennsylvania
votes. And she was asked, Hey,
how did this happen, that
people's votes were flipped?
What what went wrong? What
happened here?
Unknown: That's been brought to
my attention. But yes, I believe
so. Well, like I said, it was a
human error, based on, you know,
someone from our team that
program the election, and they
Adam Curry: I love the term, by
the way, someone on our team who
programmed the election, sorry
to sound like that's how it
works these days. Well,
Unknown: like I said, it was a
human error, based on, you know,
someone from our team that
program the election, and they
made a mistake, putting the
printed text on the card, as
compared to the boat screen.
Because the retention is a lot
of text to it. It's got to be
abbreviated on the printed card.
So someone on our team
inadvertently put the wrong name
advertently
Adam Curry: compensate, when
will we learn?
John C Dvorak: Well, you know,
the way to deal with this in the
end it is when you catch
somebody like this, you call for
another election and make that
company pay for it. Elections
cost millions of dollars to do
Yeah. Election a complete redo,
and you make them pay for it?
Yes. And they should sign a
document before they're given
the contract. How about be
liable for all these issues? And
how about fully liable? How
about we look, we weren't having
a liability in this country?
vaccines? Who cares what happens
to you?
Adam Curry: Okay, since you
bring that up, let's go to Bobby
The up because Bobby, the OP is
also in the news talking about
presidential hopefuls PBS hmm,
there we are, again, everybody,
let's let's play elitist voices
of America. This is NPR or PBS?
Unknown: Can I ask you another
question about your candidacy
because a number of your own
family members have spoken out
against it. Four of your
siblings issued a statement
denouncing your candidacy,
saying it's dangerous for the
country. They wrote in a
statement Bobby might share the
same name is our father. He
doesn't share the same values
vision or judgment. Your
families are icons of the
Democratic Party. They do not
typically speak out against
their own, but they are in this
case, why?
Well, I have 105 family, living
family members or your siblings
are supporting me. But let me
ask you this. Does your family
always agree with everything
that you do?
They don't always agree with it.
But I think they vote for me if
I ran for president out of
the market to vote for me, but
not all of them, your siblings.
So my family has a long history
with President Biden, there's
five members of my family that
are working for the
administration. And President
Biden has a statue I busted my
father behind him at the Oval
Office. We've I've known
President Biden virtually my
entire life. All the people in
my family are many of the people
including all the people that
you mentioned there, the four
members of my family, you
mentioned there have strong,
long friendships with President
Biden. And I understand they're
disappointed with the fact that
I would run against him but
they're
more than disappointed sir.
They're saying that it's
dangerous for the country
dangerous.
You would have to ask them, why
don't you have them on this
show? And you can ask them what
they said that
Adam Curry: day. All right. So
now to the vaccine question,
because of course, we have to
roll out the the anti Vaxxer and
I have to say I thought Buffy
the opposite of really good job
on this and maybe even scored a
point or two.
Unknown: Let me ask you about a
specific concern your family's
expressed in the past two which
is your controversial views on
on vaccines and being poor. To
the anti vaccine vaccines? Well,
you've said previously that no
vaccine is safe or effective,
which you did say that on in a
podcast interview Oh, July, you
did say that there are quotes
and that reporting is there. And
you're making something on Fox
News, you said that you still
believe in this idea that
vaccines can cause cause autism,
which has long been,
you're changing the subject what
you said.
I'm asking about your views on
vaccines. When that's right,
I'm happy to those are the
vaccines should be tested by all
other medications, our tests,
they shouldn't have placebo
controlled trials prior to
licensure is the only medical
product, the only medical
product or medical device that
is allowed to get a license
without engaging in a safety
test.
So you do not believe the
statement that no vaccine is
safe and effective. According to
these reports, and live
recording, a podcast interview
the problem if you are reading
reports about me in the
mainstream media, including this
network, they're almost always
inaccurate on how to any facts.
I've never been any back, spoke
before
one of the largest anti vaccine
groups in the country a few days
ago. That's what they call
themselves. That's not what they
call themselves, but that's what
they advocate. You know what I
speak to a lot
of people, and I don't agree,
and I don't pretend to agree
with everything that everybody
in the audience says, Can I ask
you? I, you know, I've said,
Listen, I fought against mercury
and fish for 40 years.
Nobody called me any fish. I
like the idea that we have seat
belts in cars.
Nobody calls me any automobile.
I want vaccines that are safe,
just like every other medicine
and are adequately tested. It
doesn't mean I'm anti vaccine.
It just means sensible and I've
gotten censored. I think most
Americans if they understood my
views, my real views rather than
theirs distortions of my views
in the mischaracterizations. You
hear from the mainstream media,
including this network that they
would agree with me,
I'll just say there's evidence
of these statements on the
record. Show me
evidence well, you call it
evidence of it
Adam Curry: a statement evidence
of a statement. I like that.
People don't call me auntie
fish. Like that. That was a good
one. So then, going
John C Dvorak: back to the
election machines, I do want to
read this from one of our
producers who said the that'd be
interesting to mention. He says
the Kentucky election results
occurring is boots on the ground
guy bring in New York Times 750
to 750 2000. Republicans voted
for the Attorney General 784
voted for the Secretary of State
both Republicans but only 627
voted for the Republican
governor. What what gives? That
means between 120,000 and
130,000, Republicans voted for a
Democrat Governor instead, but
doesn't make any sense. Oh,
that's
Adam Curry: the did the Democrat
winning Kentucky? Yeah. Well,
there you go.
John C Dvorak: He's reelected.
Adam Curry: A lot of people get
confused about what this means
you Oh, it's a blue wave. Okay.
John C Dvorak: It's a wave and
that's the
Adam Curry: wave of nothing.
Meanwhile, we had to slam Trump.
And I wasn't even prepared with
my own. My own setup. I'm
surprised. Yes. Who do you bring
out to the view if you want to
slam Trump? Oh, there she is.
Ladies and gentlemen. She's
flapping her wings. She's flying
around. Oh, yes. Yes, Hillary
Clinton on the view. Lovely.
Lovely. Now this country has
Unknown: a lot of problems. And
the main one is named Donald
Trump. Okay, I can't personally
believe that this loser has so
many people who still think that
he could make a decent
president. He's been criminally
charged with 91 counts. I mean,
he's practically got one foot in
jail. No going on a banana peel
the sky. And they still say oh,
we still like him. What do you
make of that?
Oh, I don't know joy. Didn't you
just write a play about this?
Adam Curry: Did you just write a
play? This joy Beyhadh written a
play news to me.
Unknown: By the way, you know,
Miss Mrs. Clinton did win the
popular vote. Yeah. Yeah.
Continue to believe that you
want Oh,
look, I think you're absolutely
right to sound the alarm. And
and what I think, again, we saw
yesterday is that a lot of
people may not be telling
pollsters they're reconsidering,
but they are reconsidering? I
do. I think that the chaos that
comes with is just It's not
attractive to a majority of
people anymore. But look, there
are people who still, you know,
are supportive. They say they're
gonna vote for him. We just have
to limit the number of those
people and reach out to those
who are having second thoughts
who say, Well, you know, I
thought he would have done
better or how much longer is he
going to do this rigged election
thing or look at all the
problems he's got in the court
system. So I think we have to
keep reaching out to the people
who are open to looking at the
damage that he would cause if
you were ever anywhere near the
White House.
We should knock him up now.
Well.
Adam Curry: Bonkers in the
boroughs at the New York Comedy
Festival, five short plays by
Joy Bay are about New Yorkers in
all five boroughs. So yes, I
guess you did write a play about
it.
John C Dvorak: I'll bet you
that's a good one. Tesco did
that. Now
Adam Curry: we bring in the
lawyer Sonny Halston, some of
the polls reflect
Unknown: that voters that if he
is convicted voters will change
their their opinion about him
and will vote for him so I even
the ones who are supporting him
not exactly so I trust I trust
that our country is
curious what do you think that's
true? Just because he's
convicted they don't believe
anything now what why would they
believe there are some that will
change? That is exactly what
these polls have have shown
Redmond.
Adam Curry: So first. So first,
people are lying to pollsters,
they really they're lying to
them. But this is what the polls
show.
Unknown: You know, I think when
you are in any, any kind of
relationship, when you're 100%
committed, it's really hard to
say you're wrong. Yes. You know,
people go Yeah, why
Adam Curry: are you still Oh,
projection? Anybody?
Unknown: This guy? And you're
like, Well, you know, I thought
he would do this or I liked what
he did there. And it's hard for
people to separate and I did say
and I believe this and there are
a lot of other people not just
me saying this. Liz Cheney said
it recently. Oh, that there's a
kind of cult like dementia is
like a walking ID you know, in
psychology ego and the super ego
and this
Adam Curry: one way over
everyone's head what is an ID?
Can you explain it because the
I'm sure that there's
John C Dvorak: getting goes back
to Freud, where they divides us,
the brain into subconscious
brain into the ego and the ID
and the super ego. It's all it's
into these chunks is kind of
like college girls, you know,
kind of remembrance. And so it
worked into the the it is like
the animal. And okay,
Adam Curry: this one, this one
over the crowds had the view
that
John C Dvorak: it did because
it's like old fashioned and
it's, it's, you know, esoteric,
to say the least nowadays,
Unknown: walking in, you know,
in psychology, ego and the super
ego and the ID. And so a lot of
people go, Oh, man, did you hear
what he said? It's like watching
a constant entertainment show.
And people get into that, and
they don't want to give it up
because it is, you know, kind of
entertaining and interesting
wants
Adam Curry: to chaos. Yes, not
chaos is a comedy show. But now
we have to do something that
always belongs in a conversation
about Donald Trump. We have to
bring a peddler
Unknown: I think that your last
job in 2016 will go down in
history is one of the most
pivotal times in our country,
one of the most pivotal moments
in our country. And it's still
reeling from, you know, Trump's
policies, I think, and the deep
divisions that he sowed in this
country, what in your view would
happen if he were to be
reelected? Oh, I can't even I
can't even think because I think
it would be the end of our
country as we know it. And I
don't say that, you know, I
hated losing, and especially
hated losing to him, because I
had seen so many warning signals
during the campaign. But I
immediately said, Look, we have
to give them a chance we got to
support. You know, the president
we have, and I meant it, and I
tried really hard and then the
resistance.
Adam Curry: Hey, man, bring up
Hitler
Unknown: No. campaign. But I
immediately said, Look, we have
to give them a chance. We've got
to support long the president we
have and I meant it. And I tried
really hard. And then literally
from his inauguration on, it was
nothing but you know, loving
people of things, making up
facts denying the size of the
crowd at his own inauguration.
And everything that I worried
about, I saw unfolding. And so I
think that he'd be even worse
now. Because he was somewhat
restrained, believe it or not,
first term by people who he
hired, because he thought they
would go along with him and they
stood up to him. And so now he
is going to
John C Dvorak: stop, stop, stop.
Do you remember the narrative
that nobody would stand up to
him? Yes, well, apparently that
was not the narrative is every
everyone was standing up to him.
And that's why he didn't destroy
the country, people
Adam Curry: move to Canada,
Unknown: by people who he hired,
because he thought they would go
along with him. And they stood
up to him. And so now he is
going to, if you were ever near
the oval office again, find
people who have no principles,
no conscience, who are totally
tied, you know, to his fortunes
literally, literally, therefore,
would do whatever he said. And
so the the wreckage is almost
unimaginable. You know, when I
was secretary of state, I used
to talk about one and done and
what I meant by that is that
people would get legitimately
elected. And then they would try
to do away with elections and do
away with opposition, and do
away with a free press like and
like
Adam Curry: it's just talking
about escapes. So how to do a
Hitler bring up Hitler Hitler a
Unknown: way with elections and
do away with opposition, and do
away with a free press. And you
could see it in countries where
well, Hitler was truly, right.
And so all of a sudden, somebody
with those tendencies so
dictatorial authoritarian
tendencies would be like, Okay,
we're going to shut this down.
We're going to throw these
people in jail. Yes. And they
didn't usually Telegraph that.
Trump is telling us what he had.
At his word, as the man means to
throw people in jail, who
disagree with them, shut down
legitimate press outlets do what
he can to literally undermine
the rule of law. He
Adam Curry: keeps hit the crowds
in 2016. were chanting, lock her
up, lock her up. He didn't even
throw Hillary in jail.
Unknown: And our country's
valuables used the military
never
John C Dvorak: even indicted her
for anything, even though she
clearly violated the law.
Protesters,
Unknown: he's gonna do it. He's
not gonna do a whole bunch of
stuff right now. Not right now.
But we'll find out what more we
think can go on.
Adam Curry: happened now,
something interesting happened.
But I think legal at ABC called
down to the studio and said, you
know, we got a problem with what
joy was ad libbing there. You
know, this is a tightly scripted
program. So we're not quite sure
why she did that. We need a
retraction on the air people
back
Unknown: with former Secretary
of State the fabulous Hillary
Clinton. But I was saying before
I just
let me get let me get a list and
please correct me something. Oh,
you do? Yeah. Because I don't
want the impression to be made
that I didn't accept the results
of the lead the Trump
administration to win, but I
don't like the Electoral
College. The popular he won the
Electoral College. And that's
the thing that needs to be
addressed. Because this person
was based on slavery. Yeah. And
I think it's an American. It's
an American.
Adam Curry: I think the
electoral college is unAmerican.
We got to get rid of that.
That's the problem we have to
address. And I don't want to
sound like an election denier.
According to ABC legal.
John C Dvorak: Speak. Yeah,
you're right. Somebody made the
call down. Totally. Yeah, you're
right. And this show is very
scripted.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. She went
off script. Oh, man, it's just
so tiring. Yeah. And we still
have a whole year to go. Just
gonna get worse shot a whole
year. I don't know if we can we
can handle this. So yeah,
John C Dvorak: we were the best.
Adam Curry: Were the best. Yes.
So I have some some were the
best. Were the best or the best
or the best at handling this.
Yes. Take it easy. People. Don't
worry. We got another year to go
before you have to have your
vote changed by the machine.
Yeah. And the voting machine
whenever I think ink in the oh,
by the way, we have the I voted
done.
John C Dvorak: We have Yeah,
them over the finger. That
purple finger foam finger tip.
Just put me here's what's going
on. We're gonna have some action
here in the city. Oh, Cisco. Oh,
gee in San Francisco, part one
from NTD
Unknown: 20,000. Attendees
representing 21 member economies
will be in the city of San
Francisco. But what are the
highlights other than heightened
security massive road closures
and protests? I
think it's particularly
significant this year because
with the tension between the
United States and China, the
opportunity to have President Xi
meet with President Biden is a
very important one. The
White House announced last week
that US President Biden will
meet with a Chinese leader Xi
Jinping making the first time
the two leaders will speak in
person since a year ago.
Challenges
are facing a lot of pressure of
dunk downturn in the economy in
China. He won the American
business have to to go to China
to make more investment and he
also wants Americans to buy more
products from China. So that's
why he's coming both sides
up been showing signs of easing
up detentions.
As I've said, since the
beginning to my administration,
we see competition, not conflict
with China.
We're not looking for a new Cold
War. Treasury Secretary Janet
Yellen is also scheduled to host
the Chinese Vice Premier Li funk
for two days in San Francisco
before the start of the APEC
summit. This all comes on the
heels of California Governor
nuisance recent a week long
visit to China, a meeting with
the Chinese President Xi.
Adam Curry: Well, this is
interesting. Why didn't they
talk about that at the debate
last night? What a perfect
opportunity.
John C Dvorak: So the Seoul City
has been going to be shut down.
Basically, you can't go over
there. That couple of bridge
lanes are gonna be closed. Oh,
Adam Curry: you mean the
homeless can't move around the
day? Oh, no, they've
John C Dvorak: already rousted
them. They've robbed the
homeless cleaned up the poop
where
Adam Curry: they put him?
John C Dvorak: I have no idea.
I've been trying to figure it
out by the news reports, but all
I know is that the whole I would
like take a drive over there.
Maybe I'll do it tomorrow, go
see what's going on. Because
they have threatened me, they
are gusting up the city. They're
spending all the money they can
to gussy it up for because they
know that Chinese media is going
to be here. And if they see one
homeless guy pooping on the
street, they're gonna bet to be
all over Chinese news. And it'd
be a humiliation for the for us
mafia.
Adam Curry: Hold on hold on a
second, because first of all, GE
is coming here because he wants
more business he wants which is
which is our dark deal. And
everything manufactured in
China, we buy it dollars, they
go around, they buy our debt. I
mean, it's a system. So this
really detracts from the whole
Republican debate. I mean,
someone should have said, I
can't believe San Francisco is
gonna have G over Biden's gonna
be wishy he's our enemy. They
didn't do any of that. Because
I've done
John C Dvorak: an outstanding
rap. It's all scripted,
scripted, they're gonna you
know, and Biden comes into town
and causes nothing but trouble.
You got to pick
Adam Curry: it, you got to paint
your roof blue John, just so
that, you know, direct energy
weapon gets deployed to be
careful.
John C Dvorak: So hey, here's
part two.
Unknown: The key discussions of
this year summit will center
around trade technology transfer
and economic development.
The United States is very
concerned about technology
transfer to China, the United
States has been very aggressive
in pushing restrictions on
semiconductors. And that's been
a very important issue for us
because we're very concerned
about the transfer of technology
to China, potentially for
defense purposes,
but others are skeptical of
China's position and economic
sector.
More than 90% of Americans have
negative opinions about China.
So I don't see she is going to
be very successful to attract a
lot of investments to China.
While APEC is intended to be an
economic forum, political topics
that do come up during
discussions among world leaders,
especially when international
tensions are high with the
current Russia, Ukraine war and
conflicts in the Middle East.
Meanwhile, San Francisco is
aggressively clearing homeless
encampments, increasing drug
related arrests to improve the
city's image as delegations
arrived. Hey, that'll
Adam Curry: fool them. Yeah.
Clean up the streets. That'll
trick them into thinking
everything's great here. The
John C Dvorak: question you
asked earlier is the question I
still have when
Adam Curry: putting them in. Now
is this going to be at the
Moscone Center where they're
going to do it? Yeah, it's
John C Dvorak: gonna be right
near Moscone Center. It's
actually two sections are going
to be blocked. blockaded, is
going to be the entire Moscone
area. No, no traffic. And the
Fairmont. I guess they're
putting everybody up at the
Fairmont up on top of the hill.
Adam Curry: Oh, is it not the
Fairmont and Union Square?
John C Dvorak: No, this is a
fair amount on the hill. There
is no Fairmont on Union Square.
What's
Adam Curry: the Union Square?
There's something with an F I
thought the Pharaohs of Fairmont
there was a fair amount of Union
Square. thought there was a fair
amount there, which is filled
with the homeless. Remember?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Now
maybe maybe I'm confused. Maybe
it is the Union Square Hotel.
That's still at some distance
still a distance away from the
from the
Adam Curry: homeless in the
Fairmont. I'm sure of it.
John C Dvorak: I don't know if
they put the homeless in there.
I think it was they tried to not
do that. But whatever the case
is, that's all blockaded. So the
city's gonna be a mess. So
nobody should go to San
Francisco but I again I don't
know what they've done with all
these people. And his hunt
hundreds of I think it was like
6500 I think they should this is
the time to initiate the shanty
town
Adam Curry: on the hill at the
Fairmont on the hill where
John C Dvorak: Yeah, on the hill
where they have a view just like
Brazil. Perfect
Adam Curry: now no one cares
about the American homeless no
one cares about the drug
addicts. No, we care about
Hamas, Israel. You aren't
John C Dvorak: just talking
about that.
Adam Curry: Oh, please, please.
Can we not talk about that? I'm
so tired. I
John C Dvorak: want to talk
about because I got these clips.
Okay, this is Dershowitz. All
right. And Dershowitz went on
the I think it's a little TV
local TV show or something that
that Huckabee does.
Adam Curry: He can't get on any
other network no one else has.
John C Dvorak: So he's on TBD as
he's called TBCs on with
Huckabee, how can be has a show?
Yeah, yeah. It could be as a
show. And so Dersch went on the
show in the last few weeks, and
he was doing a lamentation which
I had to have to, I had what
what is lamentation? What's kind
of a Christian idea? Is where
you just lament your view rose.
Oh, you know, this, you know,
the worst day? And I think, you
know, you're just it's, it's
kind of a prayer in some ways,
but he's not Catholic. Maybe
he's Catholic. Maybe it's not
anything else. But it's a
moaning and groaning that's
Adam Curry: Jewish. Come on, get
your religious Jewish. There you
go.
John C Dvorak: So he comes up
with a lamentation I have to cut
two clips here. And the
lamentation as I listened to it,
because I followed this guy
since I was in college. This
guy's old and delimitation that
much of this is actually his
fault.
Unknown: But the professor's I'm
sorry.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I thought
you were Yeah, let me finish was
way too big of a pause.
John C Dvorak: Sorry, Jewish
professor, that would You're
right. You hit the you hit it.
But Jewish professors are
largely responsible for what's
happened in the colleges. And
now they're doing lamentation
about it. And they blame
everybody but themselves and
Adam Curry: you want to you want
to back that claim up. What are
you saying? Jewish professors
are responsible for wokeness?
Unknown: Yeah.
Adam Curry: You before we play
these clips do explain. I've
John C Dvorak: been through this
system. I went to University of
California, Berkeley, and the
Jewish liberal elite in this
country is largely responsible
for wokeness.
Adam Curry: Wow, the I don't
think I've heard this accusation
yet anywhere. After Oh, there it
is. have to check with Dan bond
Gino Techwin Mancino. He'll
John C Dvorak: tell you what
Unknown: the ultimate victims
are all good people. All
Americans, Judeo Christian
values. That's what's under
attack. This is a war between
decency and barbarism not
talking about the Palestinian
people. They should be saved
from Hamas and allowed to live
in peace. I'm talking about
these people from Hamas that
raped and these people at
Harvard who support the rapist?
Can you imagine them supporting
rapists? in any other context? I
cannot
you you talk there for many
years, one of the most
distinguished professors of law
anywhere. Your career at Harvard
was
Adam Curry: the seller. However
question, since when is rapists
worse than killers? He kind of
positions raping above killing
Did I did I misunderstood
John C Dvorak: why he never
mentioned his killings. I think
that was just an oversight.
Okay.
Unknown: I cannot you you talk
there for many years, one of the
most distinguished professors of
law anywhere. Your career at
Harvard was the stellar Are you
shocked by what you're saying?
You know, it
reminds me of I remember reading
about a Jewish professor in
Berlin, who love to teach German
students. And then he was taken
into the gas chambers by one of
his own students. 10 years
later, when I think of my
students who I taught, I labored
over I love them. I wrote them
recommendations. And then they
write a petition saying it's all
Israel's fault. Imagine if I had
students who were in the Ku Klux
Klan, and they said, Oh, those
black people who were lynched,
it was their fault, or those
women who were raped, it was
their fault, or the people who
were shot in the street. It was
their fault. That's what these
students were saying. And I said
to myself, I taught them for 50
years. What has gone wrong?
John C Dvorak: Tick tock hollows
meant tick
Adam Curry: tock. What else
could have gone right? These are
MK Ultra trauma, mind controlled
human beings. Hello.
John C Dvorak: But he did a
shitty job of teaching him if
they'll if they turned on him.
And I would say the same thing
to that. A folklore ish story
about the Jewish professor was
walked into the gas chambers by
one.
Adam Curry: I've never heard
this story, but it's a good one.
It's a good one. But you
John C Dvorak: know, and it
probably happened at some level
in some way. Yeah, but
Adam Curry: George Soros walked
Unknown: in happiest time of my
life or as was the guy, happiest
time of my life? Yes.
John C Dvorak: Yes. And so so
this lament is goes on and it's
really He's beside himself with
this. And I think he should be
because it's like what? It's, he
has to have some reason to think
that there's he's got something
to do with it. So let's go with
part two second part of this
clip, it
Unknown: must be a little
comforting to see that many of
the high dollar donors to
schools like Harvard and Penn
and others are saying we're not
giving any more money unless you
stand against this
on Jews as well as Jews. Yes,
Huntsman and Mormon now has said
that many many other people
they've said, Look, we have a
lot of places to give our money
to. We've given it to Harvard
and Yale and other schools. But
look what they've turned out.
There has to be a reckoning when
George Floyd was killed and it
was horrible. One man filled
with drugs, long history of
front one man is killed. What
happens a major reckoning in
every American not only
University Media Company
Corporation, admission standards
change the curriculum change. We
need a reckoning by universities
about their attitude toward Jews
toward Judeo Christian values
toward America toward
patriotism. We need a reckoning
and until that reckoning thumbs
we must stop supporting those
schools financial
Adam Curry: All right, got a
little applause there.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Well,
I just found this to be funny.
Adam Curry: It's funny because
is he just now figuring out that
John C Dvorak: that's, that's
what's funny. You're just new.
You isolated the humorous
moment. Has he just after he's
like his ad or something now? He
just figured this out.
Adam Curry: And that he's to
blame. And he's to blame. Oh,
goodness. Well, since you broach
the topic, let's get a little
update from our resident spook
Richard angle. Let's see what's
going on, buddy. Let's see
what's happening. The Israeli
Unknown: military says it's
fighting inside Gaza City
tonight. Releasing this video of
soldiers on the hunt thing
again,
Adam Curry: I have to give props
because you know, you don't even
have to see the video to win
just you hear all the explosions
and the death and destruction.
This is so bad for This Is War
noise. You've heard or noise
four to four. You've heard a
food noise. This is war noise in
your brain. The
Unknown: Israeli military says
it's fighting inside Gaza City
tonight. Releasing this video of
soldiers on the hunt for Hamas.
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu
says Israel will take overall
security responsibility in Gaza
for an unspecified period to
prevent another Hamas attack,
prompting this response from the
White House President
maintains his position that
reoccupation by Israeli forces
is not the right thing to do.
Israel's air and ground
offensive is turning cities
wastelands and many Palestinians
say Israel is carrying out its
revenge against 2.3 million
people who can't leave the Gaza
Strip one month on and this war
still seems to be in its early
stages. That
Richard I know there's also a
new headline tonight about the
wars impact on the people of
Gaza.
The UN said today 70% of Gazans
have been displaced from their
homes since the start of the
war. That's about one and a half
million people, Lester.
Adam Curry: We have let's see.
We have Israel being very bad.
CBS CBS has this report.
Unknown: President Biden called
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu
again this morning telling him
it is imperative to reduce
civilian casualties in Gaza,
which by us count are
skyrocketing.
Many many 1000s have been killed
and many more injured or
wounded.
US officials say the majority of
bombs Israel has dropped on Gaza
are unguided so called dumb
bombs, which are accurate but
less precise than satellite
guided weapons.
Adam Curry: I can't believe that
using dumb bombs. How about the
smart bombs the smart but we've
been using surgical strikes from
smart bombs for decades now.
They're using dumb bombs. These
Unknown: officials say the
primary cause of civilian
casualties is not the message.
But Israel's willingness to
strike targets Hamas located in
civilian neighborhoods. This is
tragic, but we cannot allow for
mass immunity just because they
hide behind civilians.
Israel claims Seems it has
killed more than 60 Hamas
operatives, but US officials
questioned whether the military
value of the strikes is worth
the civilian harm
Adam Curry: to listen to the
horrible noises in the
background people in sheer
terror. Good job CBS the
Israelis
Unknown: are dropped leaflets
warning civilians to flee
northern Gaza. Even so said one
US official civilian casualties
are not a priority of their
Adam Curry: you know, if you
look online right now, man, it
doesn't matter where you load
weight
John C Dvorak: will stop from
what he said something
interesting the way he said it.
Civilian casualties are not a
priority. I'm gonna listen
again, you have sufficient
sentences that what does that
mean?
Unknown: Let's listen question
whether the military value of
the strikes is worth the
civilian harm. Israelis have
dropped leaflets warning
civilians to flee northern Gaza.
Even so said one US official
civilian casualties are not a
priority of theirs. Okay, well,
John C Dvorak: does that mean
that you would prioritize you
want more civilian cancer
casualties?
Adam Curry: That's one way of
looking at it. They
John C Dvorak: say that. Well,
Adam Curry: now I have to finish
the report.
Unknown: Oh, Israel does this
matters. We will focus as well
on steps that need to be taken
to protect civilians who are in
a crossfire of Mostess. Making
us
is already shipping Israel
precision guided 250 pound
bombs, which have a much smaller
blast radius, compared to some
of the bunker busters that have
been used to go after the Hamas
tunnel system. Israel says it
needs more white phosphorus
shells, which can be used to
create smoke screens but also
cause horrific burns. A US
official says the Biden
administration is unlikely to
grant that request. Now
John C Dvorak: after we sell.
We're just going to Ukraine.
Yeah, we say we sent cluster
bombs to Ukraine. All but from
the white Bosphorus all Ukraine.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: and we have
evidence. Now we also mentioned
the tunnels. You and I both got
the clip where at least both had
I saw you posted on no agenda
social. So I have the clip, just
on the tunnels, which has always
been this you know, there's
always a tunnel Bin Laden had a
tunnel. It was so sophisticated
Bin Laden tunnel system. It
wasn't just tunnels. It was
entire into quarters layers. And
the here is Secretary of Defense
at the time, Donald Rumsfeld
with things like Meet the Press.
With dead guy now. What's his
name?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you're
right. Yeah, him that guy. And
he's got the picture that eight
story tunnels deeply with
meeting room. Beds. Here's
Unknown: the clip, there was
constant discussion about him
hiding out in caves. And I think
many times the American people
have a perception that it's a
little hole dug out of upside of
a mountain. Oh, no, this is it.
This is a fortress, a complex
multi tiered bedrooms and
offices on the top. As you can
see secret exits on the side and
the and on the bottom, cut deep
to avoid thermal detection of
ventilation system and to allow
people to breathe and to carry
on entrances large enough to
drive trucks and even tanks,
even computer systems and
telephone systems. It's a very
sophisticated operation. Oh, you
bet. This is serious business.
And there's not one of those.
There are many of those.
Adam Curry: Have we ever seen
one of these caves?
John C Dvorak: Yes. On a James
Bond, third movie, blow fell and
had one. That's where he got the
idea from.
Adam Curry: That's good. That's
good. I was gonna say that what
we're seeing some of its some of
it is obviously on mainstream
television. But when you look on
Twitter, when you look on
Telegram, when you look on the
really anywhere, on any other
social networks, the death and
destruction and horrible
pictures that we're being
exposed to, every single day and
the algorithms pick it up. I
mean, and I'm gonna date myself.
Back in the day. We had a video
called Faces of death. Yeah. And
it was and it was passed around.
You had a
John C Dvorak: you had, they
were like, version two of that
thing. It
Adam Curry: was so popular. And
you had a copy of a copy of a
copy of a call. It was good.
Johari and it was all it was
just you know, it was all fuzzy.
And you saw people dying in
horrific ways. And that was
like, Oh man, you got faces of
death and we'd have we go over
to someone's house. My parents
and my parents aren't home and
we would watch that and it would
get disturbed by it. You know,
disturbed, sad thing. And but
this is, this is on a non stop
basis. It has this is it is
severe. It's very, very, very
destructive to everybody.
Everybody you need to get up
Need to get off this stuff? Get
off
John C Dvorak: social media, the
even off get rid of your phone?
Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes be like JCD it
is so destructive it is bad for
you. And I love the stories. So
now there's some some evidence
that Associated Press CNN, The
New York Times and Reuters had
journalists embedded with Hamas
on the October 7 event. And they
were following them and taking
they were ready. They were
they're ready for this to take
place. Photographers without
borders. I don't
John C Dvorak: believe this for
a minute.
Adam Curry: Well, the the
mainstream itself was reporting
on this.
John C Dvorak: I would like to
see some documentation they
Adam Curry: have there is some
documentation. I would
John C Dvorak: like again, I'm
very skeptical of this report. I
think it's just to demean the
media, which is already in bad
shape.
Adam Curry: I'm good with it. If
John C Dvorak: any of this is
true, I'm good with that, but
should be arrested. Well,
Adam Curry: they have they have
pictures of known journalists of
them taking pictures before they
go through the gate. So now, I'm
not sure I'm not sure but if
it's to demean the media or I'm
good with that too. Well,
John C Dvorak: that's always
applies still. And then the
other thing right reason I'd
like
Adam Curry: to debunk the you
know, this is this isn't just
about this is your this is about
the canal, the Ben Gurion canal
project. No. Well, yeah, like
they weren't it was going right
through Gaza. No, look at the
map. Please look at the map.
It's about the pipeline. No, no,
no. It's so tiring, just tiring
anyway, but I've got Broadway
have I've got if we want to even
want to listen to Netanyahu what
John C Dvorak: he has to say.
No, anybody but him. Okay. Well,
then let's do have a kind of an
update that Hamas hostage update
from N T D.
Adam Curry: Okay. Let's listen
to that. I'm sorry. You should
John C Dvorak: play the NTD
intro.
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought you
were sick. This is in D D. A.
Unknown: D D a cry for help on
Capitol Hill. Families of Hamas
hostages tell their stories and
asked the us to do more to
rescue their loved ones. And
today's Molina Weiss cup has the
story.
We don't have the list of the
hostages. We don't know their
condition. I don't have
anything. So I need your help.
Oh seven my life stopped. When
my two younger brothers Darlene
says the man who kidnapped Hamas
is believed to be holding
hostage a total of around 240
people since their initial
attack in Gaza one month ago,
just four hostages have been
released in one has been
rescued. But the vast majority
remain with little details. No.
Hamas took
them. The youngest said, I'm too
young don't take me. There are
over 30 kids only 10 months old.
And again, we do not know the
condition of any of them.
The Biden administration has
called for a pause in fighting
to allow humanitarian aid to get
through in for civilians to get
out. While many support the idea
of pauses. Some Democrats are
critical of calls even within
their own party for a ceasefire
before the hostages are
released.
And the fact that there are
people advocating for a
ceasefire without discussing
that the hostages must be
returned, makes no sense and
runs completely counter to our
American values.
Israel's Prime Minister is
opposing a ceasefire until all
the hostages are released.
Adam Curry: Yeah, they're trying
to get a script together.
They're trying to get a hostage
situation we love a good hostage
situation story. We love that
and then when you because it
always has a great payoff on the
hostages are released. Screw
these people screw the whole
media and all of this. All of
it's so disgusting. Let's look
at Iran because that's the only
thing that matters. We
Unknown: begin tonight with
breaking news. I was just
learning from the Pentagon about
airstrikes in eastern Syria and
the target a weapons storage
facility linked to Iran and
Iranian troops. Secretary of
Defense revealing that the US
military is responding to more
than 40 attacks on US forces in
Iraq and Syria. These attacks
have left dozens of our soldiers
and troops with traumatic brain
injuries. Let's get straight to
the breaking news with CBS at
the White House. Good evening.
Good evening. We just come on
learning break. What do you
learn anything
to you, Nora tonight at the
direction of President Biden to
f 15 fighter jets launched
airstrikes in eastern Syria at
that weapons facility that is
used by Iran Revolutionary Guard
and proxy forces that are backed
by Iran. They were in response
to attacks by those groups on US
troops in both Syria and Iraq
over 40 In the last three weeks
alone that have injured nearly
50 American servicemembers, and
just today, US troops were
attacked again in Syria, and in
another sign of the increased
tensions in the region and
American region costing about
$30 million was shot down in the
Red Sea by the Iranian backed
Houthi rebels. They had fired
missiles last month toward
Israel, which were shot down by
a US naval ship. President Biden
has repeatedly warned Iran a
longtime adversary of Israel
against getting involved in the
war in the Middle East. Nora,
and they are sending a message
tonight no doubt, yes,
Adam Curry: a message tonight
we're all jacked because that
message that's what the CIA does
they start
John C Dvorak: still skeptical
about these who themers things
of course, they got their own
problems they should teach
sending random missiles across
our fleets which are going to
shoot them down as they put it,
CBS CIA
Adam Curry: broadcasting
systems, all they want is to get
Iran a war with Iran going.
That's the next I don't think
it's working. Actually, I'm
John C Dvorak: not I mean, the
time's running out. Yeah, listen
to this one
Unknown: Secretary of State
Antony Blinken, shuttle
diplomacy in the Middle East
isn't the Biden administration's
only attempt at avoiding a wider
war, we learned that a second
aircraft carrier the USS
Eisenhower just arrived in the
Red Sea over the weekend, it is
headed to the Persian Gulf. That
is a clear message of deterrence
and it is directed at Iran. And
then just yesterday, the
Pentagon revealing that a new US
nuclear submarine crossed
through the Suez Canal. The fact
that we can see these pictures
is very rare, but it is
deliberate a message these
vessels operating even called
the silent service, this
submarine can carry 154 Tomahawk
cruise missiles. That is a major
threat to any adversary. Yeah,
Adam Curry: no, that makes
sense. Good. Good idea. Let's do
that. Let's send something
dangerous another aircraft
carrier. Let's go Let's go. This
is great. This is fantastic that
John C Dvorak: I thought
Eisenhower's position there
already I don't know that this
is new.
Adam Curry: Doesn't matter if
these people than media, the
military industrial complex of
99% of all of our political
representatives, not leaders
representatives are all war
mongers. The cheerleader in
three seals
John C Dvorak: meanwhile, of
course they don't mention this.
This I don't know how old that
report is because Blink is not
there anymore. He's on the move.
Adam Curry: He's on the move.
Hold on a second. Where's he?
Where's he off to
Unknown: Foley crisis visit to
the Middle East Secretary of
State Antony Blinken is now
shifting the focus of his
intense diplomacy efforts from
the Middle East now to the Indo
Pacific for yesterday and
today's meeting with
counterparts from the g7
democracies in Japan. We're in
addition to the ongoing wars in
the Middle East and of course in
Ukraine, topics such as China's
economic origin towards Asian
countries are also at the top of
their agenda. Here's what
Secretary Blinken told his
Japanese counterparts and during
a meeting today watch
during support for Ukraine, the
work that we're doing together
to combat economic coercion,
trilateral cooperation with the
Republic of Korea, all of these
are vital.
Lincoln's also visiting South
Korea on both Wednesday and
Thursday and today I asked the
State Department during its
briefing about China's economic
coercion specifically towards
South Korea, in which ongoing
efforts are being done by the
Chinese Embassy in South Korea
to try to block an American
performing arts company Shen Yun
from performing and South Korea.
The classical Chinese dance
show, which is widely popular
around the world is banned in
China due to his portrayal of
some human rights persecutions
in mainland China. And the State
Department told me that they
continue to be concerned about
such practices by Beijing to use
this economic leverage to try to
pressure our democratic allies.
Adam Curry: Stupidity.
John C Dvorak: This brings me to
the question Why did you just
come to San Francisco next week?
Adam Curry: Yeah, just hang out
with him here.
John C Dvorak: And when he went
to China, gee wouldn't meet with
him.
Adam Curry: It's almost as
stupid as Buttigieg going to
meet with Zelensky. What's that
about?
John C Dvorak: That's pretty
stupid. Let's listen to part two
of this new we can talk about
how stupid budaj edge is.
Unknown: Meanwhile, President
Biden is set to meet with
China's shooting ping next week
during the APEC summit in San
Francisco, of course remains to
be seen how issues such as human
rights abuses by China as well
as China's increasingly
aggressive actions toward other
countries, including espionage
activities here in the US will
be discussed.
Adam Curry: Okay, I need to talk
about something else because
this this is just I think
everyone's tired of it. No, no,
they're not tired of it because
everyone's ALL Whoa, I'm old.
I'm all jacked. But you're
John C Dvorak: right. Yes. Let
people hate us for this show
that probably. Yeah, exactly.
Adam Curry: Well, then let me
discuss something else because
the very people in universities,
which Alan Dershowitz doesn't
understand, who are now
protesting Israel for the waving
Palestinian flags, they must
have forgotten about black lives
matter. I thought Black Lives
mattered. Doesn't matter
anymore. Certainly not the black
lives in Chicago.
Unknown: This was a meeting of
the city council rules
committee, which was about to
take up debate over a proposal
to let Chicagoans decide whether
Chicago should remain a
sanctuary city welcoming to
migrants by putting that
question onto a referendum on
next spring's election ballot.
But the meeting devolved into
chaos after hundreds of
protesters, mostly African
Americans packed the City
Council gallery and began
shouting down the aldermen.
They're angry after a special
city council meeting on the
migrant question was canceled
last week when Mayor Brandon
Johnson's floor leader Alderman
Carlos Ramirez Rosa tried to
prevent a quorum by discouraging
aldermen from entering the
chamber including a
confrontation with longtime
Alderwoman Emma Mitch, all after
about a half hour Today's
meeting was suspended and the
crowd cleared, but not before
some aldermen blame the mayor
and Sanctuary City Supporters of
causing the chaos spike trying
to block the referendum. Do you
as a resident city Chicago
believe that we should remain a
sanctuary city? It's a simple
question.
That's why you've seen the chaos
in this city. Because you're
trying to silence a voice of
certain people that just want to
be heard. Debate
on the sanctuary city referendum
will continue on Thursday when
the Rules Committee continues
the meeting that was suspended
today. No word yet on whether
any special rules or security
will be in place for that
meeting, though after the
gallery was clear today. The
regular city council meeting was
held as scheduled and was
peaceful.
Adam Curry: Yeah, so all the
migrants being dropped off in
predominantly black
neighborhoods in Chicago. Yeah.
That's beautiful thing,
John C Dvorak: by the way, says
trying to silence certain people
when they say trying to Silent
blacks of Chicago. Yeah,
Adam Curry: why would they do
that? Makes no sense. Can't be
doing that. This is a great time
actually. When when the news
media is just all about Israel
and Hamas, Hamas, Israel, that's
all that they can talk about.
It's a great time to have all
kinds of other stuff happen.
Like this little ditty
Unknown: federal investigators
say they busted a network of
brothels in Massachusetts and
Virginia that catered to well
connected clients, including
elected officials and military
officers have already saved
potentially hundreds of people
including doctors, lawyers and
pharmaceutical executives paid
up to $600 an hour in cash for
sex primarily with Asian three
people accused of operating the
ring are in custody primarily
John C Dvorak: with women.
Gotcha. Sick 600 merrily but not
exclusively with women these
pharma exec GN know what I'm
saying.
Adam Curry: And politicians. Of
course, politicians are
John C Dvorak: notorious for
pouring around as that's nothing
new.
Adam Curry: That's that's how
they get blackmailed and
captured. And then this helped
me remember when JP Morgan Chase
got me up. They they, they
basically paid off I think was
200 victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
So, so they had been, I don't
remember that. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yes. So that Jamie diamond
didn't have to go testify.
John C Dvorak: Jamie diamond
came out of it. Yeah,
Adam Curry: they made they made
a deal. They also they spent a
billion a billion dollars on
lawyers wilmerhale. And so
Wilma, I think it will let me
say it was it must have been
over 200 victims, because they
want to, you know, set up a
class action suit against Jamie
diamond and of course, Chase
Bank JP Morgan Chase. Now 17
attorney generals have said, you
know, it doesn't matter that you
bought them off. We can we can
still take you to court over
this. And it looks like this
gonna happen. They're not
getting out of this. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, we'll
Unknown: see. We'll see.
Adam Curry: We'll see. Okay,
good point. And then we have in
total eight, four of which in
the last 24 hours, Los Angeles
show Arizona Sheriff employees
have killed themselves.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is
this is a weird story.
Adam Curry: For Los Angeles
Sheriff's employees die by
suicide within 24 hours, another
four Sheriff's Department
employees have died by suicide
this year. This is weird. See,
they're they're either being
murdered, murdered is what I'm
thinking, which is what
John C Dvorak: I would think.
Yeah. Because the suicide mean,
you know, I, maybe they did
something that they're worried
about and is a part of a scheme
and they don't want to go to
court and end up in jail where
they get brutalized. I mean,
that's, you know, but usually
you'd give it a college try.
Seems to me, I don't know
something's missing with this
story is is unusual.
Adam Curry: Most most. I know
cops that have left. They've
just left law enforcement. Yeah,
but
John C Dvorak: that's a
different dose because it's not
rewarding to them anymore, not
because they didn't shoot
themselves since
Adam Curry: this is. Since the
pandemic many and law
enforcement say police
departments have been suffering
from flagging morale. Thanks to
a wave of anti police sentiment
that peak
John C Dvorak: with the killed
police lives matter. You can
take them with as many
Adam Curry: police departments
have seen a mass exodus of
officers over the last several
years along with difficulty
hiring new officers, but that
doesn't mean that they're
killing themselves. Yeah, no.
Now it's like no. So and it's
Los Angeles. So which is just
questionable. It's questionable.
I
John C Dvorak: don't know. LA is
like they don't like nexus of