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John C Dvorak: They can't stop
losing weight. Adam curry, John
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C. Devora
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Adam Curry: November 9 2023 This
is your award winning keep our
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nation media and assassination
episode 1606
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Unknown: This is no agenda
protecting you
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Adam Curry: from drama based
entertainment and broadcasting
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live from the heart of the
country here and femur into
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number six in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry and
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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we're all
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wondering, When did Captain
Marvel become a chick and why
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she's selling me signs. I'm John
C. Dvorak.
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Unknown: Raglan Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: She's selling
Nissan's are nice socks. I
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couldn't hear if it was Nissan's
are nice socks and what's the
0:43
difference? Nissan's
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John C Dvorak: Nissan's
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Adam Curry: they kind of slipped
that in. Now. That's it. And
0:53
isn't that isn't that all Disney
now Marvel is going so well with
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them. It's working so it's
working out? Well for them? Yes,
1:02
John C Dvorak: they have you
know the dying cash cow.
1:05
Adam Curry: Do you remember my
buddy the entertainment mogul?
1:07
Yes. Who got fired from from
Disney.
1:10
John C Dvorak: And he was right.
Specifically the part of the
1:12
comic book. Yeah, it was part
1:13
Adam Curry: of the Marvel comic
book division. So from what I
1:16
understand, you know, there's
that activist investor, what's
1:18
the guy's name? He keeps buying
up shares, Nelson Nelson,
1:22
something like that or no. So
the word is that like, he's the
1:27
he's the like the 8089 year old
guy who, who, who owned Marvel
1:33
sold us to Disney and then got
fired. That they're trying to do
1:36
a you know, like a leveraged
buyout. A buyback Yeah. Buy out
1:40
the buyout all of Disney with
now with that Nelson guy.
1:45
John C Dvorak: That would be
pretty spectacular. If they did.
1:47
That'd be very difficult.
1:48
Adam Curry: I think it's
difficult to but the Nelson guy
1:50
apparently he's got he's got a
lot of shares. He's got a lot of
1:53
control. Yeah. So my guy is not
officially involved. But I
1:58
John C Dvorak: did buy out, buy
him out and do what?
2:01
Adam Curry: Get rid of all the
woke people
2:05
John C Dvorak: was in the whole
company for the whole company.
2:08
Adam Curry: There's nothing
left. Nothing
2:10
John C Dvorak: left. Bones.
2:13
Adam Curry: Dry Bones rattling?
Yeah. Let me just start off by
2:19
saying everybody don't worry,
the US government is not going
2:22
to be taking over the internet
next week. Holy crap. Did you
2:27
follow this?
2:28
John C Dvorak: No, I didn't. And
I've avoided it. Now you might
2:31
as well do it.
2:32
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I'm no,
there's not much. I mean, I
2:35
here's what happened. So the
Hill Country ladies text message
2:40
group goes nuts. Tina texts me.
She says, hey, they're saying
2:44
the US government's taking over
the internet next week. Like,
2:48
oh,
2:48
John C Dvorak: did they know
that the US government was the
2:50
internet for a while. They know
that?
2:53
Adam Curry: This isn't I don't
even go there. Of like, Oh,
2:55
okay. Yeah. But you know, the
way that sounds is like, Oh,
3:00
what are they going to do now? I
immediately think net
3:02
neutrality, something like that.
Because the FCC is working on
3:05
that, apparently was Glenn Beck,
who's who said that? Like, yeah,
3:09
the US government is taking over
the internet next week. And
3:12
although what is wrong, what's
going on here? The the FCC is
3:16
trying to get kind of a backdoor
into title two without having
3:22
Congress passed title two. And
so the and so Biden came out
3:26
with an executive order that
that activates a little oh, what
3:32
another little unknown fact in
the infrastructure act, you
3:36
know, the Greenie bill, which
instructs the FCC to basically
3:42
force with you know, with a $56
billion budget, which was
3:47
assigned to them as a part of
that trillion dollar bill to
3:51
force equity into broadband
access. So what we'll do now
3:59
that I looked through all I
looked at the executive order, I
4:02
looked through the FCC
documents, there's no traffic
4:05
management or unlawful content
anywhere in those documents yet,
4:11
but it does seem like they're
going to force commercial
4:14
companies to do stuff, which is
wrong by itself, but it's not
4:18
quite the government taking over
the internet, which is just one
4:23
of those memes and people go
crazy. They get all spun up over
4:26
it's like calm down people.
Lawsuits will ensue. Oh, of
4:30
course this will go nowhere.
It's the same as I love the
4:34
disinformation they passed. They
passed the bill where were you
4:42
car has to have a some kind of
alcohol detection device you
4:45
won't start. It's like they
passed that two years ago. But
4:50
no one knew no one Massey I
guess tried to get an amendment
4:55
which of course was struck down.
I'm like, Yeah, of course. It's
4:58
gonna get struck down not a
single One of these Congress,
5:01
men or women want Mothers
Against Drunk drivers, you know,
5:06
protesting outside your door you
look like a douchebag and you
5:10
get Code Pink and all those
people. These people are
5:13
spineless and they don't care
and it's coming 2026 Any new
5:18
car, you'll have to blow into a
tube before it starts which is
5:23
why I'm hanging on to my
internal combustion engine G
5:27
John C Dvorak: and I am sure
that can't be disabled and
5:29
rejiggered
5:31
Adam Curry: it's so bad I had to
take my car in because I had
5:35
three times that it didn't start
and it's like some weird bug
5:38
they don't can't find so yeah
bug yeah in the car somewhere
5:43
it's a glitch is that well, they
can't reproduce it so they
5:47
needed my car for at least a
week I said okay, but give me
5:50
give me a good replacement car
you know? And and then and then
5:54
they and they say well what
electric vehicle Do you want?
5:58
And like what I don't want an
electric vehicle and well that's
6:02
pretty much all we have. What is
I live in Fredericksburg the
6:07
you're in Austin? I'm I can't I
can't even make any make the
6:11
drive? So I got this Podunk
piece of crap because the only
6:15
one that has gas in it but this
is this is bad going Oh Joe all
6:21
our cars are electric why I say
OB if you think about it this is
6:24
what I was told. If you think
about it, it they're much easier
6:27
to maintain. Oh, is that the
reason why this is we're headed
6:33
for a bad a bad time with these
EVs is a bad time hold onto your
6:40
gasoline vehicles people
6:43
John C Dvorak: are by us when
now while you can
6:45
Adam Curry: Yeah, I'm still oh
and Toyota I love what Toyota
6:48
did that there's not going to be
sold in America but they have a
6:51
truck for $10,000 There'll be a
brand new truck you know with a
6:57
with a bed you know? A payload
bed 10 grand brand new because
7:03
it has nothing no electric
windows no radio it has you know
7:09
a mirror you just with your hand
outside the window which have to
7:12
roll down completely stripped
down I like that's beautiful.
7:16
I'd love to have that truck.
Yeah, I think only 10 grand it's
7:23
pretty cheap. Yeah, I mean, any
any kind of moderate
7:27
John C Dvorak: I wonder how many
people alive today amongst our
7:31
audience in fact, that would see
the hand window crank and wonder
7:35
what it
7:35
Adam Curry: was the thing that
doing something lewd. Hey, what
7:39
is
7:39
John C Dvorak: this? What is it?
Whoa,
7:41
Adam Curry: how does this thing
work? Hey,
7:43
John C Dvorak: what is this
supposed to do? People
7:44
Adam Curry: can't even tell time
and an analog clock of course
7:47
I'll have no we
7:47
John C Dvorak: talked about that
quite a bit. We get a lot of
7:49
pushback. I am. Why can you know
most people can't tell time from
7:55
an analog clock. Young people,
7:56
Adam Curry: new people new
people. Not most which
7:59
John C Dvorak: is the majority
of people nowadays.
8:03
Adam Curry: Ah well, since he's
getting no press I feel really
8:08
bad for him. This is he's out of
the picture is exit stage left
8:13
poor Volodymyr Zelensky can't
get any more dough. He went on
8:18
Meet the Press with Kristen
Welcome Welcome welcome. And I
8:24
just have a very short clip
because most of it was he was
8:29
doing in Ukrainian and then they
had a voiceover translating in
8:31
real time but then all sudden he
switched to English and you know
8:35
had this whole thing like hey,
you know, we got a $40 billion
8:39
hole in our budget we need more
money we need the money Hey,
8:42
just so you know EU was sent us
19 billion you know they're not
8:45
You're not the only people we
need more money please America,
8:48
we need more
8:48
John C Dvorak: money. We need
more money. This voice and then
8:52
he came up with
8:53
Adam Curry: you know, just use
the Russian money.
8:56
Unknown: This is very important
and it's just evil. We'll have
8:59
just interest from this $300
billion of Russian assets these
9:07
these not the we will have we
will manage how to close the
9:13
half of the gap of the budget.
Why? Why do you take money from
9:19
Americans take the essence of
Russia are we okay with this
9:23
one? If there is a question
through society of United States
9:29
about military and ball of
something else, okay, let's go
9:34
produce it. It will be when when
this old one. If you can give us
9:41
a gun, give us some financial
support. Okay, okay. Please give
9:45
us a credit. Give us a credit
man and we will give you back
9:50
money to the war and the force.
We can buy some ammunition. We
9:56
will buy it we will defend our
jobs. We will have taxes and who
10:01
will buy we will buy from
American companies just allowed
10:05
us and let's see. Give
10:07
Adam Curry: me some credit, man.
Come on give us credit, but
10:09
it'll be okay. We'll pay you
back after the war. Oh my god,
10:14
he should open a GoFundMe do a
telethon or something. I'm just
10:18
getting pretty, pretty pathetic.
He's just he's been dropped like
10:22
a hot potato. He's learning what
it's like now to be on the world
10:25
stage as a part of the
douchebags. tau goes, bro,
10:29
you're done. Then it seems like
them. There's now everyone's
10:34
looking for solutions, stuff
that Zelinsky we'll have to say.
10:40
Did I lose you? And I thought I
lost you there. And we just
10:43
thought.
10:45
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, but I
missed that. Unfortunately. I'll
10:50
catch you later. He's quite the
character at this point. Yeah,
10:54
TCP back home fighting.
10:56
Adam Curry: He wasn't home he
was actually home. Or they were
10:59
doing a video Yazoo. Doing a
zoom was very, with very little
11:04
latency. I'm doing zoom very
little latency, I find that you
11:08
never know where that guy is.
Have you noticed this flag down
11:11
the street? There's some flag
maker who has gotten really
11:14
smart. Have you noticed this
that all flags. All countries
11:18
are now using these cones. It's
no longer really a flag. It's
11:22
like it's like a a cone made of
plastic or something. So that
11:28
sort of that the color is
wrapped nicely. You know, it's
11:31
not just a flag that's droopy on
a pole. Everyone has them. You
11:36
have noticed these?
11:37
John C Dvorak: No, I have not. I
know what you're talking about.
11:39
But the cone Yeah. If you look
at any like the cone of silence
11:42
or what cone? Yeah, like
11:45
Adam Curry: a traffic cone.
Yeah, the flag the flags now
11:48
before you can just go online,
look at it, look at Biden,
11:51
anybody, they all have these
cones, all of a sudden, that's
11:54
the new way of of displaying
your flag. Cone flags, it's a
11:59
new thing.
12:00
John C Dvorak: Don't have a
funny clip of the lawyer with a
12:05
with a newt with a cool idea.
You know, there is a straight
12:08
flag now all of a sudden,
12:10
Adam Curry: straightforward, as
opposed to a LGBTQ flag.
12:14
John C Dvorak: Yes, a straight
flag. And it's basically black
12:16
and white stripes with the
symbols for male and female
12:20
interlinked in the middle. Oh,
know how race is. And so there's
12:25
this straight flag. And this
this lawyer is I got this from
12:29
tick tock, I think has one of
the best ideas ever big it's
12:33
called the prep clip is the
pride flag lawyer. Every
12:37
classroom
12:38
Unknown: in America has a
rainbow flag or a progress pride
12:40
flag or whatever. They all look
like barcodes to me at this
12:42
point. Point being is what about
this flow? And how many of you
12:46
guys have ever seen one of
these? reason I'm asking is
12:48
because viewpoint discrimination
is very clear. You can't censor
12:53
one person's view on a topic, if
it's being spoken about at all.
12:58
You got to talk about gay stuff,
you can talk about straight
13:00
stuff. So let's say you go to
school, ask a teacher to hang up
13:03
one of these in the classroom
next to the pride flag, they're
13:05
gonna probably say no, but let's
just say that they didn't know
13:09
any better. So you need to
educate them. And you give them
13:12
a packet full of case law that
lays out very clearly their
13:15
obligations under federal law
and what is required of them as
13:18
a government entity, you're in
public schools. And then you go
13:22
back the next day and ask them
hang the flag up again. Well, at
13:24
that point, if they say no,
that's intentional
13:26
discrimination because you put
them on notice of their
13:28
obligations. And that could give
rise to punitive damages. I've
13:32
seen cases go for anywhere
between three and 1000 to 1.1
13:34
million. And it just so happens
I have a pocket full of this
13:38
information case law. laying it
out very, very clearly on my
13:44
website. So you can go to our
website Yoda lavalla.com, or
13:48
Yoda es que.com both under the
Resource tab and get your packet
13:52
download it for free. Go to
school, ask them to hang up one
13:55
of these. See what they say that
they say no, given the packet,
13:59
they say no again, so I'm pretty
simple. Let's see what happens.
14:03
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, yeah, we
need more lawsuits in the
14:05
classroom. That's great. That's
a great idea as you're just
14:10
stoking up Feodor
14:11
John C Dvorak: es cute I come
down here so I went there to get
14:14
the packet No, of course you
did. And so the you know, so
14:19
there they have this form you
fill out the form doesn't work.
14:22
It's one of these some bonehead
I think it was done on purpose.
14:26
So the phone the show when you
try to put a phone number in no
14:28
matter what number you put in
there refuses to take it no and
14:32
then it will get sent you the
packet and it doesn't register
14:35
so I think he's been sabotaged.
But luckily info at Yoder e
14:39
sq.com. Just send them a note
and get the packet directly you
14:44
have your fixed our website has
your packet on its way. I don't
14:48
know yet. I just did this
yesterday.
14:50
Adam Curry: Oh I'm so proud of
you. Yeah.
14:54
John C Dvorak: Well there's what
we need is more lawsuits. You're
14:57
right. Yeah,
14:57
Adam Curry: more in the
classroom while you're at it
14:59
gets Get some cameras in that
classroom the John cedars a lot
15:03
John C Dvorak: of this mostly
taking place if they had been
15:05
put cameras in the classroom.
Yes.
15:09
Adam Curry: So I, I feel the
need because there's a lot of
15:13
things going on but we're Big
Pharma is added again and, and
15:17
it's really it's so blatant now
and there's so much money coming
15:22
into the mainly the M five M
networks but this is a global
15:25
thing. This is global. And I
just need to point some of it
15:31
out the way the way that this
works as you are being sold
15:35
under the guise of here's a
doctor telling you on your
15:39
morning television show what's
good for you, or what's not good
15:43
for you. And it's all marketing,
all of it. This is in regards to
15:49
the fantastic news of a quote
unquote, new new weight loss
15:55
drug called Z bound. Well
15:57
Unknown: in tonight's
Healthwatch the choose a new
16:00
drug in the battle against
obesity. A new version of the
16:04
diabetes drug Manjaro will now
be marketed as zero bound it's
16:08
for chronic weight management
and trials people who
16:11
Stopstopstop
16:13
John C Dvorak: I can't quite
make it out. I couldn't make it
16:16
out when you set out and maybe
the volumes to name is the name
16:19
of the product death bound.
Death bound Why would anyone
16:24
take a drug named Death?
16:26
Adam Curry: I agree that this
you know so? Well, as we'll hear
16:29
in a moment, this is just a
relaunch of an existing product
16:32
zip. Zulu echo Papa zip bound,
probably the worst name ever.
16:38
Unknown: That's for chronic
weight management and trials.
16:41
People who took the highest dose
lost on average 48 pounds, the
16:46
price of the weekly over $1,000
a month. drugmaker Eli Lilly
16:51
says the cost will likely be
lower if patients have
16:53
insurance.
16:54
Adam Curry: Okay, so this is
just the beginning of the
16:57
marketing push before we go into
the true entertainment version.
17:01
Let's go to CNBC. And let's have
one of these analysts. Let's
17:06
just explain what an analyst is.
An analyst works for a company
17:12
that typically makes market in a
stock. In this case, it will be
17:16
Eli Lilly,
17:17
John C Dvorak: and didn't have
to be a market did they
17:21
Adam Curry: typically take leave
there with a company that makes
17:24
a market typically, or took a
company public? There? It's not
17:29
always the case. But I think in
this case, it is the Guggenheim.
17:34
Okay, the Guggenheim. And so
this analyst or the BIA or his
17:39
company has a vested interest in
the stock. How about that? Is
17:43
that fair?
17:44
John C Dvorak: Or well? Why
would they be on the show is
17:48
Adam Curry: exactly. And but of
course there's a Chinese wall
17:52
between the trading desk and the
analyst. The analyst just goes
17:54
talk to the company, gets all
the information, brings it back,
17:57
and then also propagates it on
CNBC.
17:59
Unknown: Joining us on the phone
with his reaction is Seamus
18:02
Fernandez pharma analyst at
Guggenheim Partners, he has a
18:04
buy rating on Eli Eli Lilly. By
rating how coincidence and a
18:09
$675. price target. Welcome,
Seamus, let me ask the question.
18:13
Is zip bound just a different
version of or a wholly different
18:17
drug than Manjaro? Which is Eli
Lilly's entrance in this field
18:21
right now? No,
18:22
basically. And thanks for having
me. It's basically the same
18:26
formulation of
18:29
Adam Curry: Manjaro is the same
thing with a crappier name.
18:33
Unknown: What is unique here is
it's just a different name that
18:37
you have the product and that
basically allows for the company
18:43
to track the product much better
when it's used for the treatment
18:48
of obesity, and it also is very
helpful in terms of payer
18:51
negotiations.
18:52
This likely to be the biggest
selling drug of
18:58
John C Dvorak: what he's saying
is the name death bound is being
19:02
used for tracking purposes only.
I know. I know that that is the
19:07
silliest thing I've ever heard.
19:08
Adam Curry: No, no, no, because
they have new marketing dollars.
19:11
It's like a code. It's like a
like a, you know, so now
19:15
John C Dvorak: they know Bungie
No.
19:19
Adam Curry: Use your order. You
use code genome. That's exactly
19:25
right. It's a marketing tracking
mechanism.
19:27
Unknown: It's very helpful in
terms of payer negotiations.
19:30
This Oh, I'm
19:32
Adam Curry: sorry, I thought
that was you, John crap that was
19:34
likely
19:34
Unknown: to be the biggest
selling drug of all time.
19:39
Adam Curry: And the CNBC guys in
on it? Is this going to be the
19:43
biggest selling drug of all
time? Is this
19:45
Unknown: likely to be the
biggest selling drug of all
19:48
time?
19:49
We think it has a very, very
strong shot of being the biggest
19:54
drug
19:56
John C Dvorak: a second. More so
than ibuprofen thing, aspirin.
20:01
Adam Curry: What they mean is
they're going to get the most
20:03
money in advertising of all
time. That's what they're
20:05
talking about is going to be the
best for our pocket selling drug
20:09
Unknown: of all time.
20:10
We think it has a very, very
strong shot of being the biggest
20:15
drug of all time. Obviously
competing very closely with Novo
20:21
Nordisk ozempic. And we go the
as well. But we think that this
20:28
category for sure, will be the
largest pharmaceutical market of
20:32
all time,
20:33
Adam Curry: largest of all time.
And you have to know that Novo
20:36
Nordisk, which makes markets
will go V and ozempic. Now is,
20:41
its market cap is bigger than
the country, it's from Denmark,
20:46
they spent $600 million in the
first nine months alone in the
20:51
US on advertising. So it was
about time that we got a
20:54
competitor to come in, and boy,
they are flooding the market and
20:58
how do you do it? What's What do
you want to do if you have a
21:01
competing drug? I think you want
to what does it discredit your
21:05
your competitor? Isn't that kind
of discrediting
21:07
John C Dvorak: is good and also
getting Dr. Janin? Well,
21:10
Adam Curry: yes, Dr. Payal, COE
Hill, Dr.
21:13
Unknown: Coley, the so called
ozempic plateau, which seems
21:16
like a place you want to
21:18
Adam Curry: post them peak
plateau Hold on a second,
21:20
there's something wrong with
ozempic. Dr. Coley,
21:22
Unknown: talk to us about the so
called ozempic plateau, which
21:25
seems like a place in Utah you
want to visit real and why do
21:29
people stop losing weight,
21:30
you know, it's absolutely real.
If you think about how our body
21:33
is designed, it's actually
designed to fight weight loss,
21:36
right, because when we're losing
weight, our body goes into a
21:39
catabolic state state, it starts
going to a stress response. So
21:42
when we trick the body by giving
it ozempic, and essentially sort
21:46
of tricking our metabolism, to
get us to lose weight, the
21:49
metabolism kind of fights back.
And after a while, you get into
21:53
this sort of steady state
pattern where you end up at your
21:55
new setpoint. So I like to say
it's sort of like turning your
21:58
thermostat down. I like to keep
mine at 72 because I run a
22:02
little cold. But if you turn it
down to 60, living at 68, that
22:06
will be your new setpoint. So
stop losing weight when you get
22:09
to your assembly. And it's a
good thing. Because imagine what
22:13
would happen if people kept
Yeah, right on this medication,
22:16
actually breaking down tissues,
get nutritional deficiencies and
22:19
really start sort of doing more
damage than benefit.
22:25
Adam Curry: Ha, it'll do more
damage and benefit. Well, what
22:28
is one way you can?
22:30
John C Dvorak: I can just going
to predict the next job is going
22:32
to be called ozempic. Rebound.
22:34
Adam Curry: Oh, no, no, she,
this is even funnier. No, it's
22:38
funnier. It's funnier than that.
What happens if you hit the
22:41
plateau? Come on? This is a this
is right out of the playbook
22:45
John C Dvorak: from a drop dead
Are you get really fat? No, no,
22:48
no, no, you gotta get fat in
this deals to make it work. Now
22:53
Adam Curry: remember, the
Sackler marketing strategy? What
22:56
happens when you know it's not
really not really helping the
22:59
pain anymore? What do we have to
do?
23:02
John C Dvorak: Get them
addicted.
23:03
Unknown: So if you still need to
lose more weight, is
23:05
there anything you would do?
Let's say I want to break
23:06
through this plateau? Do I
increase my dose? What do I do
23:09
here? Yeah,
23:10
there's a lot of tricks you can
do. So you can increase the
23:12
dose, there's a lot of tricks.
So there's only up to a certain
23:15
dose that has been studied, but
a lot of people will call me and
23:18
say Dr. Coley, I've stopped
losing weight, and they're in a
23:19
lower dose. And I say, well,
let's just go up to the next
23:22
dose, knowing that we can push
that. But if you're already at
23:25
the highest dose, that's not
really much oh, what you can do
23:29
to the Tesla of weight loss
medication. Oh,
23:32
Adam Curry: John, Oh, hold on a
second. You can oh, let's just
23:35
stop for a second. Now if you
reach the ozempic Plateau, then
23:40
you can just up the dose but you
know, a lot of my patients are
23:43
already maxed out. So then I
say, just go to the Tesla of
23:49
weight loss medication,
23:50
Unknown: not really much of an
option. Now what you can do is
23:53
switch to the Tesla of weight
loss medications, which is the
23:57
newer ozempic Excuse me, Shara
Manjaro. And then there's
24:02
another new one coming so the
ozempic is sort of the
24:06
death bound the death
24:09
John C Dvorak: when did this is
interesting in more than one I
24:12
mean, it's an obvious you're
right, the whole thing is just a
24:14
scam. But when did Tesla
replaced the Cadillac of or the
24:20
Mercedes of or the Rolls Royce
of weight loss? Now that's a
24:26
very good question. I don't
think Tesla's in the same league
24:29
as what at least insofar as its
impact is Cadillac of Rolls
24:35
Royce, which is the one you'd
you'd want to use as the as the
24:38
top from della corral. Maybe
24:40
Adam Curry: she's got a side
hustle going
24:42
John C Dvorak: there's something
going on with using Tesla it's
24:45
Adam Curry: pathetic is what it
is me Shara.
24:50
Unknown: And then there's
another new one coming. So the
24:53
biggest sort of the first
generation, it hits one
24:55
receptor,
24:57
John C Dvorak: stop again the
another new one coming, which
25:01
has already been admitted by the
analyst to be the same drug only
25:05
coded for marketing purposes.
Yes. So you could do a numbers
25:10
count for the hottest. Next by
the correct answer. That's not
25:15
another new one. It's another
it's just the same one with the
25:18
old with the but the new name,
but the chic and unaware of
25:22
this, and how competent or she
just an incompetent bonehead
25:26
that we're listening to?
25:26
Adam Curry: Are you questioning
the integrity of Dr. Coley? I
25:31
mean, they're a being the
products here the A being the
25:34
product names. So now she's
promoting Manjaro. And then
25:37
she'll have the code Mancino. I
mean, death bound, and then
25:42
they'll see which which one she
did better at which one perform
25:45
it's her her key metrics would
he call the KPIs or key
25:50
performance indicators, this is
all so cynical over the backs of
25:55
people who
25:56
Unknown: are taking this first
generation, it hits one
25:59
receptor. Now this
26:00
Adam Curry: is interesting. So
when she talks about the
26:02
receptors, I started looking
into this stuff. The second
26:05
Unknown: generation one Manjaro
hits two different receptors.
26:08
And then there's actually a
third generation one coming that
26:10
hits three receptors. And so if
it was epic, made you lose about
26:13
15% On average of your body
weight Manjaro would be 20 and
26:17
the third generation would be
25. So a lot of Doc's are sort
26:19
of getting people almost there
with the first generation and
26:22
then switching them to the newer
and improved version.
26:25
John C Dvorak: This is made up
Yes, yes, this is a fantasy.
26:30
It's
26:30
Adam Curry: fantastic. I love it
if it weren't necessarily I
26:34
mean, we don't know. This is
still off label use except for
26:39
maybe the I guess the not
Manjaro but the death bound
26:44
they've they've received use
authorization and we know that
26:47
for I believe so. Yeah, I
26:49
John C Dvorak: believe so. You
believe so? I
26:50
Adam Curry: don't know for a
fact but I think so. I mean, I
26:53
can check it because we have
computers in front of us while
26:55
we guessing no. See me death
bound. What was it called again?
27:01
John C Dvorak: Zero Deaths FDA.
Approved bound. Death
27:06
Adam Curry: bound. Ely FDA
approves. Yes, FDA approves
27:12
Lily's zero bound for chronic
weight loss. So yes.
27:16
John C Dvorak: Chronic what
weight chronic? What's chronic
27:20
weight loss? What does that
mean?
27:23
Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm
not a doctor Jim.
27:26
John C Dvorak: Tamron it would
be 70 but chronic weight loss he
27:30
can't stop losing weight. That's
what is that what is chronic
27:33
weightless? That doesn't even
make any sense. Let me double
27:36
Adam Curry: check that link
again. Hold on a second. I keep
27:39
putting now now you've got me
typing in death bounds. This is
27:42
not good. Eta approval on our
second we'll see number just
27:48
look at this link. FDA approves
new medication. Oh, I'm sorry
27:52
for chronic weight management
which it makes even less sense.
27:55
Wait again,
27:55
John C Dvorak: that makes no
sense. But what is wrong with
27:58
you? I don't know. I just I have
to deal with weight management
28:01
and weight management oriented
all you got a chronic condition.
28:05
It doesn't make that did the
usage doesn't make any sense.
28:09
But chronic and weight
management is like a non
28:12
sequitur. I can't help
28:15
Adam Curry: but this is your FDA
at work. This is what this is
28:19
what let me see if if I can find
something here. obesity and
28:23
overweight are serious
conditions that can be
28:26
associated with some of the
leading causes of death such as
28:28
heart disease, stroke and
diabetes. This is who has
28:31
Division of Diabetes lipid
disorders out there. Oh, okay.
28:35
All right. Here we go. Heart
disease, stroke and diabetes
28:38
says John Sherratt, MD Director
of the Division of Diabetes
28:42
lipid disorders and obesity in
the FDA Center for Drug
28:46
Evaluation and Research in light
quote in light of increasing
28:50
rates of both obesity and
overweight that's interesting
28:54
just using that term overweight
as as a What does that
29:00
overweight in the United States
today's approval addresses an
29:04
unmet medical need. Wow, these
guys are all on the take. unmet
29:10
need. How about ozempic? Oh,
it's not good. We need
29:12
deskbound. Alright, let's Oh,
and then they do say zip bound
29:17
causes thyroid C cell tumors in
rats, but those are rats. You're
29:20
not a rat. You're a human being
don't worry about it. Let's
29:23
John C Dvorak: continue with Dr.
Koh causes what in the thyroid C
29:26
Adam Curry: cell tumors but only
in rats.
29:30
John C Dvorak: That's what
everyone needs is a thyroid
29:31
condition. It is
29:33
Adam Curry: unknown whether xiP
bound causes such tumors
29:35
including medullary thyroid
cancer in humans. Well, that's
29:41
interesting. Now let's go to the
next piece here. This is I'm
29:44
fascinated by Dr. Coley.
Alright, so
29:46
Unknown: I read that some
psychiatrists are prescribing
29:48
these weight loss drugs to
counter side effects of certain
29:51
antidepressants.
29:52
Adam Curry: This is great news.
You're taking antidepressants
29:55
you start to gain weight. Yes,
it's medication upon on top of
30:00
medication, like weight gain.
What are your thoughts on this?
30:03
It seems like a lot of
medication.
30:05
Unknown: I'm torn on this one,
Jeff. And I think it's really
30:07
complicated. We do this all the
time, we mix our drugs. To
30:11
counteract the side effects of
one drug with another drug, I
30:13
give a person a statin, it
raises their blood sugar a
30:15
little bit, I give them a
medicine to lower the blood
30:17
sugar. Those are sort of well
established mixes. But when
30:20
we're talking about psychiatry,
right really tricky thing for a
30:25
couple of reasons. One, because
we know that ozempic has been
30:27
linked to some psychiatric
problems, such as suicidal
30:31
ideation, and you know,
depression feelings, like you
30:34
want to hurt yourself. So if
you're treating somebody with an
30:36
antidepressant, and they gain a
little weight, and then you're
30:39
giving them ozempic, which can
actually make the depression
30:41
problem worse, we don't yet
know. That could be accounted
30:44
for.
30:45
John C Dvorak: Hold on. We don't
yet know civically says we don't
30:49
yet know. No, now there were
she's making stuff up. And I
30:53
have never heard of the ozempic
causing suicidal thoughts. Oh,
30:57
yes.
30:58
Adam Curry: Show no, I've heard
I've heard this. This show. I
31:01
haven't heard it in their ads.
And I have no it showed up in
31:05
the marketing for death bound.
Hello. So but this is this is
31:10
part of the just so we can
identify the how they're
31:13
marketing. This is part of the
marketing. We go to Good Morning
31:16
America. Who do we have here?
Well, this is part of the this
31:22
may be counter programming this
morning.
31:25
Unknown: A potential new use for
the popular weight loss drugs
31:29
like ozempic Oh,
31:32
wow could
31:33
Adam Curry: hit the jingle to
remind people what they're
31:35
talking about
31:35
Unknown: predicts weight gain in
patients who are taking
31:38
antidepressants and
antipsychotics. Some mental
31:41
health medications may cause
weight gain. One review
31:44
reporting that patients gained
5% of their weight on certain
31:48
antidepressants.
31:49
One of the leading reasons why
patients stopped taking
31:54
medicines for depression, and
other mood disorders is weight
31:58
gain. Yet
31:59
there's a debate among doctors
psychiatric departments at six
32:03
major hospitals telling the New
York Times they were
32:06
recommending these weight loss
drugs to patients, while seven
32:10
other health systems said they
weren't citing concerns about
32:14
the risks and side effects Dr.
Shivani Sethi prescribes them
32:18
but carefully carefully.
32:21
Adam Curry: I prescribe them but
carefully they
32:23
Unknown: are a tool to help our
patients with certain conditions
32:27
and I don't believe that they
should be blanket prescribe to
32:30
everybody. mom
32:31
of three Kristin Eckhart started
taking ozempic in March what is
32:36
you know you've got me
32:39
Adam Curry: and and bucking on
this now. What is blanket
32:42
prescribe to patients what does
that mean as a medical
32:45
professional I don't just
blanket prescribe. What do you
32:49
think that mean?
32:49
John C Dvorak: That means you
just give it to everybody for
32:51
everything. It's like you used
to they used to blanket
32:53
prescribe penicillin. Wow, okay.
All right. Oh, you got a cold
32:58
Pearson penicillin or you got
penicillin Okay, fully. They
33:03
Unknown: are a tool to help
33:04
our patients with certain
conditions and I don't believe
33:07
that they should be blanket
prescribed to everybody.
33:10
mom of three Kristin Eckhart
started taking them back in
33:14
March, after she gained 20
pounds and developed prediabetes
33:19
while taking an antidepressant.
While her mood improved, she
33:23
lows, the weight gain mentally
33:25
I was feeling a lot more stable,
much less irritable with my
33:29
kids. And then I was like, wow,
I'm really stable. I don't feel
33:34
like my outside reflects how I
feel inside right now. Oh, I
33:38
Adam Curry: don't feel stable on
the outside really hard. She
33:40
says she's now
33:43
John C Dvorak: where their
fingernails are coming off or
33:44
what's going
33:45
Adam Curry: on here. He gained
20 pounds because of the
33:47
antidepressant sloughing
33:49
John C Dvorak: off her skin
sloughing off. I don't know the
33:51
weight gain mentally
33:53
Unknown: I was feeling a lot
more stable, much less irritable
33:56
with my kids. And then I was
like, Wow, thanks.
34:00
Adam Curry: Thanks Big Pharma.
I'm much less irritable with my
34:02
kids. Oh mighty.
34:04
John C Dvorak: be irritable with
your kids and your kid can
34:07
experience some irritability.
Yes, thank you. Okay, no kids,
34:10
whatever you're doing, Hey,
Jimmy, oh, you can play with
34:13
those matches. Don't worry about
it. And I'm good.
34:16
Unknown: My outside reflects how
I feel inside right now. And
34:19
that's really hard. She says
34:21
she's now at a plateau but down
rounds and sees an indefinite
34:25
future on both meds.
34:27
I don't want to discontinue this
epic because I'm afraid of side
34:32
effects there. And I definitely
don't want to discontinue either
34:36
of the Mental Health medications
on
34:38
Adam Curry: to health, mental
health medication. So she's
34:41
really she's now on three. Oh my
god, this poor woman
34:45
Unknown: because that's a really
bad idea.
34:48
We need more research into the
effect of these medicines as
34:52
woman with mental health
disorders. I'm very optimistic
34:55
that they will open up a new
chapter in our ability to manage
34:59
the weight gain pain associated
with the use of these medicines.
35:02
Okay?
35:04
John C Dvorak: So in other
words, you're driving me nuts,
35:06
Kids, your mom crying all the
time. This is like, okay, so
35:11
she's She's like a mom who
doesn't know how to control her
35:14
kids. And so it's just take
pills. Unfortunately,
35:18
Adam Curry: yeah, we've we've
jacked up everybody. And you
35:21
know, instead of dealing with
life and dealing with it in, you
35:25
know, in with in many different
ways, deal with just giving
35:30
people pills and the pills don't
work well enough, then we have
35:33
to have a screw up, and they
have take more pills or pills,
35:36
and then you get fat. And then
you're unhappy because you're,
35:39
you're 20 Because you're fat,
because you're fat. And you
35:41
know, and then you get more. So
PBS. Had a doctor on Dr. Carla
35:48
Lester. And this I believe, is
is the true. This is the real
35:55
marketing for all of these for
all of these weight loss drugs.
35:58
Let's just be honest about it.
It's not for diabetes. This is
36:02
being marketed for people who
feel that they're fat, or maybe
36:05
they are fat. But how does it
actually work? What is actually
36:09
going on with these and and
you're going to hear some terms
36:14
here, which are titled worthy
for the show, which I believe to
36:19
be 100%. Marketing
36:22
Unknown: drugs like Wigo V and
ozempic are two medications that
36:25
have become popular for their
weight loss benefits, and their
36:28
increased popularity has put a
spotlight on terms like food
36:32
chatter, and food noise is the
idea of being preoccupied with
36:36
food or eating. And while the
medications can come with a
36:39
hefty price tag, patients say
the drastic change in their
36:43
relationship to food is worth
it. And as a popular hashtag on
36:46
social media. 1000s have been
sharing their own stories about
36:50
food noise and these GLP one
medications like ozempic Do you
36:53
know what food noises food
chatter emotional chatter I'm
36:57
Dr. Carla, Dr. Carla lessor is a
pediatrician and an obesity
37:01
physician who has been looking
at the relationship between food
37:04
noise and these medications,
food noise,
37:07
Adam Curry: food chatter, these
are people who I'm gonna spoiler
37:11
alert. These are people who are
severely addicted to sugar. And
37:17
we now call that food noise. Dr.
37:20
Unknown: Lester, thank you so
much for being here. Thank you.
37:22
Thank you. So wait
37:23
John C Dvorak: a second. What
are the how are they defining?
37:26
She said she used it as though
it was some sort of a term that
37:29
was in play. What does it mean?
She's
37:32
Unknown: going to explain? I'd
like to ask you if you could
37:34
define what food noise is,
according to physicians, and
37:38
what causes it. Food noise or
food chatter isn't a medical
37:42
term per se, it's
37:43
Adam Curry: a marketing charm.
But these are patients
37:45
Unknown: people who experience
kind of constant noise in their
37:49
brain. So they have a constant
craving mind for food. So it's
37:52
despite hunger and it doesn't
necessarily relate to their
37:56
weight either. So their food
cravings kind of rule the day
37:59
they may have just eating and
they're looking forward or
38:01
thinking about the next meal, or
the next snack. And as patients
38:06
are big started on medications
like Ozanne the glycol Goby like
38:10
Manjaro for the first time in
their lives, they're
38:12
experiencing a quiet mind
they're going throughout their
38:16
day without this constant food
noise food chatter
38:19
Adam Curry: of the I was
addicted to tobacco have been,
38:22
which does have some addictive
properties. So yeah, and by the
38:29
way, I quit cold turkey, it's
been almost a year not a problem
38:31
and quit. I don't smoke anything
anymore. But so the common
38:37
addiction noise is really if as
a doctor, even while it's not
38:42
really a medical term is food
noise because you keep hearing
38:45
in your brain. So what these
drugs do, is they hit your
38:49
receptors. Now, I believe that
to be in your brain, but
38:55
supposedly you have receptors
everywhere in your body. And
38:59
this woman is going to contort
her way in it contort her words
39:03
in so many ways to avoid just
saying that people are addicted
39:07
to sugar, because that's what it
is. But no, no, you have food
39:11
noise.
39:12
Unknown: For some people. The
food noise is constant for some
39:15
it's non existent. Is there some
biological reason that some
39:19
people experience different
amounts of food noise? Well, I
39:22
Adam Curry: believe different
amounts of food.
39:25
John C Dvorak: It's just such a
dumb question. Oh, it's great.
39:28
Well, this is this is journalism
at its worst
39:31
Adam Curry: he BS PBS,
39:34
Unknown: the sophisticated PBS
amounts of food noise. Well, I
39:38
believe that there are a few
reasons why we experienced that.
39:41
Number one is I believe our
essence our bodies are adapted
39:45
to keep us basically exactly
where we are the status quo. So
39:48
somebody who has insulin
resistance, a patient who's
39:51
struggling with obesity will
have more of those hunger cues
39:55
less of the fullness cues, and
so they may have more of the
39:59
food noise and food chatter
throughout the day. So
40:02
biologically, we need to give
ourselves a massive break
40:05
because it's it's physiologic.
It's brain science, or bucks
40:09
brain
40:09
Adam Curry: science. Whoa, there
you go. It's brain science.
40:15
Well, that sounds like you
should use use any old drug.
40:18
Brain Science is great. Look at
the antidepressants you've been
40:22
taking. It didn't work, get
another antidepressant didn't
40:25
work? Well, we'll get you some
brain science to stop the food
40:28
noise in your head as
40:30
Unknown: a break because it's
it's physiologic, it's brain
40:33
science. Our bodies were not
meant to be exposed to sugar
40:37
levels of insulin and for sure,
not persistently high levels of
40:41
insulin. So over time, when
40:42
Adam Curry: she says high levels
of insulin doesn't she mean
40:44
sugar is that what she's saying
here is that the translation or
40:47
my simplifying it too much.
40:52
John C Dvorak: Insulin would be
a result of high levels of
40:55
insulin would be the result of
sugar intake. So there's a
40:58
connection because that's what
she's saying, No,
41:00
Unknown: we're not persistently
high levels of insulin. So over
41:03
time, the body adapts and
becomes resistant to it which
41:07
creates higher levels. So we
know that we have this addictive
41:11
trifecta of refined sugars or
processed carbohydrates with
41:15
trans fats and Saltram create
addictive pathways and cravings
41:20
in our mind and so humans are
highly in tune with our senses.
41:24
So just a visual cue smelling it
with somebody cooking hearing it
41:29
that will induce craving
pathways in the brain that will
41:32
create more food noise and food
chatter throughout the urban
41:36
Adam Curry: so yes, she's she's
literally explaining how we've
41:39
all become sick. In the United
States. not all but many people
41:44
because you you are infusing so
much sugar that you're addicted
41:49
to it and then all you need is
just an image. Just an image of
41:52
flash on TV.
41:54
John C Dvorak: So when I'm
looking at Cinnabon, the smell
41:56
of a Cinnabon in the airport. Oh
man
41:59
Adam Curry: it smells so good
and oh, I need it I crave it
42:01
like the smell of a cigarette
like the like the anything that
42:05
you can get addicted to we've
addicted people and now we're
42:08
selling them the antidote, which
could give you a cancer. Oh, so
42:13
Unknown: then why do certain
types of medications like GLP
42:16
one medications affect how food
noise is perceived in the body?
42:21
Adam Curry: Food noise perceived
in the body mean your brain the
42:24
addictive quality in the body
fine. Well, the GLP
42:28
Unknown: one medications have a
lot of effects in the body
42:32
because we have GLP one
receptors in many parts of our
42:36
body. So how it works is in
different ways. So works in the
42:40
gut, it delays gastric emptying,
so patients feel a sense of
42:44
fullness, gastric emptying,
42:46
Adam Curry: does that mean it
makes you constipated? It stops
42:50
gastric.
42:51
John C Dvorak: Well, what is
that? Yes. Drink emptying. What
42:53
is that? That means you can't
put this stuff in your stomach
42:56
gets pushed down to the
intestines? No, it's
42:59
Adam Curry: Hold on. That's not
what she said. Hold on a second
43:01
Unknown: when she said she said
and so that helps in that way.
43:03
It also helps in the gut to
43:07
Adam Curry: me, I'm gonna go
back here. There's
43:08
Unknown: our body. So how it
works is in different ways. So
43:13
works in the gut, it delays
gastric emptying, delays
43:16
Adam Curry: gastric emptying, so
it doesn't it doesn't push it
43:19
down. It delays it so you're
full, you're full of crap. Am I
43:25
to understand that?
43:26
John C Dvorak: Dr. Dvorak? Well,
it wouldn't be crap. The crap
43:29
forms later, but you'd be
freeing up digested food just
43:34
lingering and going bad in the
stomach. No
43:39
Adam Curry: wonder people are
great. belches Yeah, people are
43:42
puking from this stuff. No
wonder okay? Because a promotes
43:45
not pushing it down to the
intestines. Okay, so patients
43:49
feel
43:49
Unknown: a sense of weight.
43:50
John C Dvorak: I guess that
would account for the frozen
43:53
stomachs. Exactly.
43:55
Adam Curry: Frozen stomach,
because it's been big ball of
43:57
pre poop. And
43:58
Unknown: so that helps in that
way. It also helps in the gut to
44:03
restore how it's supposed to
work is how I explain it to my
44:06
patients and teens. So it takes
44:09
Adam Curry: care of teens, fat
teens, oh my god, this is these
44:12
people are horrible.
44:13
Unknown: What we're finding out
is sometimes when you try a
44:17
medication and medicine, we find
out oh, there's all these other
44:21
side effects that are
beneficial. And so a powerful
44:24
one has been to decrease the
food noise, the food chatter,
44:28
the constant cravings, the
patient's experience. And so
44:31
when we talk about food noise or
these cravings, we're not
44:34
necessarily talking about
hunger. But what is the
44:37
difference between hunger and
food noise? Yeah, that's a good
44:40
question. So hunger would be the
physiologic sensation that you
44:44
need to eat and then the food
noise and food Chatter is more
44:49
like the craving mind. So that
can be induced by so many
44:52
different things. You know,
we're not taught how to check in
44:55
with ourselves throughout the
day. We're having a lot of
44:57
stress or restricting ourselves
Food and then we'll get more of
45:02
that chatter throughout the day.
45:03
John C Dvorak: Ah, definitely
check in with ourselves Hey,
45:07
Adam Curry: hey baby self How
you doing?
45:10
John C Dvorak: I gotta check in
so
45:11
Adam Curry: so this is clearly
this is why they're, they're
45:14
saying things like oh it could
also help against cocaine
45:17
addiction and other things and
it's so beneficial because it's
45:21
doing something to your brain it
is disrupting the neural
45:25
pathways that you have
associated with sugar addiction,
45:28
which by itself sounds like
pretty good, but let's first
45:31
let's just admit what it is and
say hey, we're messing with your
45:35
brain, but I don't think anyone
really knows what the true side
45:39
effects long term can be. And
how does that affect anything I
45:44
expect fully expect the fast
food industry to start fighting
45:48
this by telling you that you're
going to die from these drugs
45:51
we're going to have studies that
are going to show all if you
45:55
take these things which severely
impact our bottom line because
45:58
people aren't eating sweets
46:01
John C Dvorak: if before he I
liked the thesis but I don't
46:05
know that the fast food industry
can think like that
46:11
Adam Curry: hmm, I would think
that well
46:15
John C Dvorak: I think if you
worked there and you were
46:18
presenting this I even somebody
presenting it like you just did
46:23
I wonder if they can think like
that
46:25
Adam Curry: there's got to be at
least one look at Mars or any
46:28
like the forgets fast food.
Let's just think about sweets
46:32
candy, Cadbury Mars, these guys
their bottom lines getting hit
46:37
because people aren't aren't
snacking because the filter
46:41
John C Dvorak: evidence of this
evidence not yet,
46:45
Adam Curry: right yet. And not
yet. Not yet yet. But I have a
46:49
feeling. If this rolls out the
way it is that people will not
46:53
be eating sweets as much. They
may Good.
46:56
John C Dvorak: Well, hold on.
I'm gonna keep arguing with this
46:58
point of yours because I know
what you're trying to say. But
47:00
I'm going to argue against it.
It's quite likely that if you
47:04
can lose weight on all this with
this stuff, and you get real
47:07
thin, you say, Well, I can eat
more sweets possibly may
47:10
actually boost the bottom line
as
47:13
Adam Curry: well. Why don't you
Why don't you go long goes epic,
47:16
John C Dvorak: and I can eat
more sweets, I don't have to cut
47:18
down on my I don't have to worry
about
47:20
Adam Curry: what I eat. I'm
gonna go short, you can go
47:22
along.
47:23
John C Dvorak: I will go along.
47:24
Adam Curry: Now the next
question is, Will does it
47:27
behoove insurance companies to
pay for this? Because you really
47:34
want the insurance? I mean, the
Met the pharmaceutical industry
47:38
wants people sick. But of course
they are, you know, in bed with
47:43
the insurance companies? Where
does where does this have to
47:46
give? I mean, do we want people
getting healthy by allowing
47:51
insurance to pay for it or not?
It may be CNBC has an answer
47:58
Unknown: and and who's gonna pay
for it? And how because the list
48:01
price is 1000 a month? You're
gonna cover it, I assume, but
48:06
most insurers are probably not
going to want to correct Yeah, I
48:09
John C Dvorak: mean, I think
this is probably stop again.
48:12
Keep in mind that why does he
say that? Why does he want you
48:16
to go back and play that again.
But I'm gonna ask the more
48:18
simple question or the earlier
question, a question that should
48:21
be asked that they won't ask on
CNBC ever. What, what? What
48:26
gives them the right data?
Right, you can do whatever you
48:30
want. But what gives them the
impetus? Well, the impetus is
48:34
another thing. This drug doesn't
cost that much to manufacture,
48:38
they're gouging the public, why
doesn't somebody do something
48:41
about gouging? This is probably
a $10 drug, not 1000? Well,
48:47
Adam Curry: these semaglutide
Phoebe, the semaglutide is is a
48:54
generic, it's open source. It's
free, it's free. You can
48:59
basically buy it, and many
different online, you can buy
49:03
it, boom, you have to buy your
own syringe and inject it, then
49:07
the marketing you can't put on
there just like ozempic or, you
49:12
know, I can't believe it's not
well, govi you can't see me.
49:17
It's okay. You can have your
food noise later. Let's listen
49:23
to this guy right off the bat. I
presume they don't want to pay
49:26
for it. Why not? If it's if it's
saving, the idea is it's
49:31
healthy. We know it's not but
it's healthy. It is saving
49:34
people from dying from cardiac
issues because they're severely
49:38
obese or overweight, but I
presume
49:41
John C Dvorak: that they don't
want to burn it
49:43
Unknown: and and who's going to
pay for it and how because the
49:46
list price is 1000 a month. Some
insurers are going to cover it I
49:51
assume but most insurers are
probably not going to want to
49:53
correct
49:54
Yeah, I mean, I think this is
probably the main challenge. Is
49:58
is gaining reimbursement but for
the obesity opportunity over
50:03
time, that being obese have the
opportunity
50:05
Adam Curry: this. What's your
Wow, what's your obesity
50:08
opportunity index? This is good.
50:12
John C Dvorak: Opportunity,
obesity. You have
50:16
Unknown: some really important
data coming this weekend. From
50:20
Novo Nordisk called the Select
study, oh,
50:23
Adam Curry: we've got new
studies coming standby and
50:25
marketing on the way.
50:27
Unknown: And that could really
prove out that the benefits of
50:30
this product for patients who
have high cardiovascular risk,
50:35
so this may become more of a
cardiovascular drug at the end
50:39
of the day, that's how we do it.
So use broadly in the diabetes
50:43
setting as well. And there's a
very compelling argument for
50:47
both managing weight and blood
sugar as driving material
50:53
benefits in a patient population
diagnosed with diabetes, and
50:57
these products have been moving
forward in the treatment regimen
51:02
among physicians for the last
decade, honestly, and now that
51:07
they've got potent drugs like
this. They're looking forward to
51:11
using them earlier and earlier
in the treatment paradigm. So it
51:14
always makes sense a paradigm
51:18
John C Dvorak: makes up, I love
it.
51:20
Unknown: They're looking forward
to using them earlier and
51:23
earlier in the treatment
paradigm. So it always makes
51:26
sense to pay for diabetes drugs,
for sure. It always makes sense
51:30
to treat patients with high
cardiovascular risk. And then
51:34
more broadly, that's just the
weight loss drug, you know, for
51:38
patients who were, you know,
trying to lose a little bit of
51:41
weight or don't want to go to
the gym as much. I think that's
51:44
a little bit of a different
dialogue.
51:47
Adam Curry: You don't want to go
to the gym, take a shot, it's
51:49
fine. Don't worry about it.
Okay, I get it. So they're going
51:53
so because they are approved for
weight loss. What was it? What
51:57
was that? What was it again?
51:59
John C Dvorak: The great mid
paradigm? No, no,
52:02
Adam Curry: the weight loss
thing was on a second I'll get
52:05
it with chronic weight
management. So chronic weight
52:11
management will be seen as good
for your heart. That may be that
52:17
way we can get I just I don't
understand the insurance
52:21
business. Isn't the point that
you don't want to you don't want
52:25
to pay out more money. So
wouldn't you want to get people
52:32
on the obesity opportunity
drugs, anti obesity opportunity
52:37
drugs, so they got
52:38
John C Dvorak: it $1,000 A pop
and they know it's not doesn't
52:41
cost that much to even come
close to manufacturing price.
52:43
Okay, so that's they're, they're
not they're not going to be good
52:47
insurance companies not to
defend them. No, they just don't
52:50
want to be taken for suckers.
Okay, and that's what this
52:53
sounds like. And so you're an
insurance company send these
52:55
1000 bucks. Why wait, it costs
you 10 cents to make this stuff
52:59
and he's gonna gouge us for 1000
bucks because you can Yeah, no,
53:04
Adam Curry: yeah. No. Anyway,
Eli Lilly stock jumped on the
53:13
the approval of the drug. So but
I just none of this sounds good.
53:19
Doesn't sound healthy. You
should just not eat. Just don't
53:23
eat sugary snacks all day.
Simple. They don't know what's
53:30
going on only causes cancer in
rats. Who cares? It's a rat. We
53:36
want them to even
53:37
John C Dvorak: test it then.
You're testing it on the RAT for
53:41
Adam Curry: a reason. Yeah,
because the rat has similar
53:45
doesn't the rat genetics
53:47
John C Dvorak: the rat gets
you'll get Yeah, but when the
53:49
rat gets some then you say hey,
you know I don't know. Screw it.
53:53
Yeah,
53:53
Adam Curry: yeah, stupid rat.
Ah, anyway, so we're being
53:58
flooded with true mis and
disinformation for marketing
54:04
purposes from competing drugs.
And this hitting network
54:09
competing networks or PBS
doesn't Eli Lilly, aren't they
54:12
an underwriter of PBS, and
54:14
John C Dvorak: I'll evolve the
drug companies are Yeah, that's
54:17
Adam Curry: true. But they all
they all compete. And that's um,
54:20
that's what you're being being
shoved. Oh, it's just it's so
54:24
disheartening. And what do we
say we should not allow
54:28
advertising sponsorship
underwriting whatever you want
54:31
to call it on television or any
media no and and how come
54:37
they're not corrupts
54:38
John C Dvorak: the system and
the system is totally corrupted
54:40
by it. That you
54:41
Adam Curry: know what they
should do only allow it on
54:43
podcasts? Cuz I would I would
switch in a heartbeat.
54:47
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we'd be
advertising sent value for value
54:51
Adam Curry: Screw that. We would
we would slam ozempic In a
54:56
heartbeat for the competing food
noise Solution brought to you
55:02
which is death bound as this
great man who that really bugs
55:07
me. Who came up with that name?
What mean? I'd like to be in
55:12
that meeting. All right, you
know ozempic has Oh ozempic is
55:16
dynamite. You know, everybody. I
mean, they're even doing ads of
55:19
the guy Pylab
55:21
Unknown: depth, depth depth.
55:26
Adam Curry: No, we needed a new
song we needed we needed a new
55:29
version of a classic but then
they come up with zip bound.
55:33
Why? Why I don't understand. Zip
bound. So stupid.
55:41
John C Dvorak: Probably has a
different meaning in Denmark.
55:45
Oh,
55:45
Adam Curry: no, Eli Lilly is zip
bound. They're not in Denmark.
55:48
That's Novo Nordisk. They're the
ozempic they're smart. They are
55:52
geniuses marketing genius right
there. To get Hollywood to use
55:57
it. So now the hashtag is food.
Nice. Food. Nice food chatter.
56:02
Means your brain is addicted.
addicted. Now, though, we
56:10
John C Dvorak: have iOS any
thing on this? No, I'm done. I'm
56:14
done. Don't take it boys watch
debates, which were last night.
56:18
Yeah. Yes. Worst ever hold on.
56:23
Adam Curry: I give avec high
marks for being entertaining.
56:28
high marks, high marks to Vivec.
56:31
John C Dvorak: She, she said
something on these debates,
56:34
which just too much, but I have
a bunch of clips. They're all
56:38
short, with the exception of one
of them. Which was the fight
56:42
they got into a fight. I just
took a chunk. I didn't really I
56:46
mean, I don't have the whole
thing broken down. I just have a
56:48
piece where they got into it to
the point where they're starting
56:51
to yell at each other. And
56:53
Adam Curry: we set the stage
first. This is the Republican
56:56
debates on NBC on NBC makes
total sense. With Kristen Welker
57:03
welcome, walk in Christopher
Walken, moderating with the
57:07
other dude, what's his? what's
that guy's name? Who took over
57:11
the Lester
57:11
John C Dvorak: Holt. Listen,
this this podcast or radio guy
57:17
who looks just like Stephen
King, and every time they put
57:20
him on the screen, I gotta jump
back a little bit. And
57:24
Adam Curry: so this didn't
include Trump by far the
57:26
foreigner who instead counter
programmed in Florida, and had
57:31
his thing going on there. And so
it's really it's really just
57:37
entertainment. I mean, none of
these people have a shot at
57:39
becoming the nominee. No, so
it's just it's just purely for
57:45
for Megyn Kelly to be outraged
over isn't that what this is
57:48
forced is just
57:49
John C Dvorak: I think so. And
the thing though, is raunchy No,
57:52
the best part? Yes. The best
part was Nikki Haley. Yes, under
57:57
her breath, calling vervaecke
Skunk
58:03
Adam Curry: Alright, let's get
into these clips. Tell me what
58:05
did we go
58:06
John C Dvorak: says starts off
at a stupid question asked by
58:09
Hal Holbrook. Whoever that guy
was that third guy. It starts
58:15
off with a dumb question about
should we ban Tiktok and the
58:19
whole thing got into it got into
a heated screaming match. But it
58:23
starts off with Chris Christie.
Gallagher,
58:26
Unknown: who is chairman of the
House bipartisan Select
58:28
Committee on the Chinese
Communist Party published a long
58:31
essay on Tik Tok following the
flooding of pro Hamas propaganda
58:35
on the tick tock accounts across
the United States Chairman
58:39
Gallagher called it shocking he
called the app predatory
58:42
controlled by America's
preeminent adversary one use to
58:45
push propaganda and divide
America. It's spyware. He said a
58:49
means of surveillance. Governor
Christie, do you agree with
58:52
Chairman Gallagher and if so,
would you ban or force the sale
58:55
of Tiktok? I
58:57
agree 100% With Gallagher Well,
let me say this tick tock is not
59:02
only spyware. It is polluting
the minds of American young
59:08
people all throughout this
country. And they're doing it
59:11
intentionally. And when you saw
what happened in the last few
59:14
weeks, with all of this anti
semitic, horrible stuff that
59:20
their algorithms were pushing
out. Algo gargantuan rate
59:23
gargantuan This is China trying
to further divide the United
59:28
States of America. This is one
of the big failings among many
59:32
of the Trump administration. He
talked tough about tic toc. I
59:36
heard him do it many times. But
when it came down to it, he did
59:41
not ban them when he could have
and should have. And now since
59:44
then, we've had an additional
nearly six years of this type of
59:49
poison be put out throughout the
United States, even putting
59:53
aside the spine, which we know
is going on in the theft of
59:56
American personal data and
information. Okay,
1:00:00
Adam Curry: I just have to make
a few comments here. First of
1:00:02
all, I love the tough tic toc
toc. That's very good. You know,
1:00:07
the this part of this is because
of a debate where Hallie was on
1:00:13
the floor saying we've, you
know, the Senate saying we've
1:00:16
got to ban tick tock, and then
Rand Paul got up and said, Are
1:00:19
you nuts? Do you want
Republicans to lose everything?
1:00:23
So if this is the main platform
young people are on? I don't
1:00:27
know if that came up in the
debate. But there's so much in
1:00:30
here. Tick tock is used by China
to steal our data much more than
1:00:34
any other app on your phone. Oh,
yeah. I'm sure. Oh, yeah, that's
1:00:38
right. It's spyware. Oh, yeah,
sure. Yeah. But it's more
1:00:41
spyware than any of the SDKs
that meta or anyone else uses.
1:00:46
Oh, yeah. It's much, much worse
even know what spyware. They
1:00:49
don't they're full of crap that
this guy is disqualified. He
1:00:52
should get on the ozempic.
1:00:54
John C Dvorak: Nine that but he
lied about the fact that Trump
1:00:57
Trump did try to treat banned
tick tock, and it was the courts
1:01:00
that told him no, and that was
the end of it. Yes. Somebody did
1:01:04
it later in the debate, somebody
corrected him.
1:01:06
Adam Curry: It's also a very bad
precedent. Don't you think? It's
1:01:10
ridiculous, because who do they
ban next? You know, who's next
1:01:14
on the block? Well, he
1:01:15
John C Dvorak: brings up another
point, and then that point has
1:01:17
to be slipped into the question
for the next guy. But let's go
1:01:21
to Christie to So
1:01:23
Unknown: in my first week as
President, we would ban tick
1:01:26
tock, they want to go ahead and
sell it. Let them go ahead and
1:01:30
sell it. But I'll tell you
another reason we would do it.
1:01:32
Facebook's not in China. x is
not in China, what? They're not
1:01:38
permitting a free flow of
information to the Chinese
1:01:41
people from our social media
companies.
1:01:47
Adam Curry: Oh, Chris. Oh,
Chris.
1:01:50
John C Dvorak: So the question
has to be restated with the with
1:01:53
that with that in mind. So we
end up with the three.
1:01:59
Adam Curry: Sorry, rewind this
and Rhonda DeSantis.
1:02:03
Unknown: Would you man Okay, is
that turning? I
1:02:05
John C Dvorak: talked and want
to go to the podcast guy who
1:02:09
used to be a radio guy went
knocking Hugh Hewitt or whatever
1:02:12
his name. Oh, whew, I got you. I
1:02:14
Unknown: want to go to the
Santas. Would you ban or force
1:02:17
the sale of Tiktok regardless of
whether or not China allowed
1:02:21
American apps to operate in
China? Yes.
1:02:23
I think that China's the top
threat we face they've been very
1:02:26
effective at infiltrating
different parts of our society.
1:02:30
So my policy on China and the
Chinese Communist Party is very
1:02:33
simple. We win. They lose.
1:02:36
Adam Curry: Wow, that's some
tough talk. I like it.
1:02:40
John C Dvorak: What does that
even mean? Chop tear. I have a
1:02:42
policy. Hey, Adam. I have a
policy. Yeah, we win. We win.
1:02:46
You lose heads, I
1:02:47
Adam Curry: win tails you lose
1:02:48
John C Dvorak: that policy, or
is that some sort of wishful
1:02:51
thinking? What is that? Really?
It's entertainment policy.
1:02:54
Adam Curry: It's entertainment.
1:02:56
John C Dvorak: How is that a
policy? It's
1:02:57
Adam Curry: something that Tim
the pool man get very upset
1:03:00
about because it's the wrong
boots. You have lifts in your
1:03:04
boots and you're talking dumb.
1:03:07
John C Dvorak: So okay, so that
was the stupidest thing in the
1:03:10
whole debate. I might add, did
it?
1:03:13
Adam Curry: Did anyone say bomb
China? Bomb
1:03:16
John C Dvorak: again. If she was
if she was there, we would have
1:03:19
had that. So here we go into
Santas. Born and then they
1:03:26
introduce Haley. Oh, Nikki. Nick
comes into play here.
1:03:30
Adam Curry: She loves war.
Doesn't she know she's a war
1:03:32
monger? No, no, no, she loves
war. Just like war. I like
1:03:36
watching war videos. I like
watch anything John Wayne. And
1:03:40
war is good. We
1:03:41
Unknown: win. They lose. And in
order to do that it's not just
1:03:44
military. It's economic. And
it's cultural. And as the dad of
1:03:48
a six, five and a three year
old, I'm concerned about the
1:03:52
data that they're getting from
our young people. And what
1:03:55
Adam Curry: do you have your
kids on? Tick tock, you know,
1:03:58
I'm not better. No, I'm
1:03:59
John C Dvorak: thing is five and
a three and he's concerned that
1:04:03
the Chinese are stealing
information from these kids.
1:04:06
They shouldn't
1:04:07
Adam Curry: be on Tik Tok.
They're polluting their phone.
1:04:11
Thank you.
1:04:12
Unknown: I'm concerned about the
data that they're getting from
1:04:15
our young people.
1:04:16
Adam Curry: Oh, they got data.
Like Oracle has nothing the data
1:04:20
brokers don't have anything. No,
no, it's tick tock grabbing
1:04:24
spyware. This is insulting to
anyone who knows. Even the
1:04:30
tiniest bit. You know, just
before we get to this, there was
1:04:36
an actual hack of the what do
you call it? That Atlassian
1:04:46
software company trying to think
what it's called now. And it's
1:04:56
the contractors I know who work
for the military are saying this
1:04:59
is is the worst. And China has
everything. They have all
1:05:05
information from any contractor
who does any kind of technology
1:05:10
work on anything in our US
military, if they, you know,
1:05:14
they've they're kind of like,
you know, you guys kind of plug
1:05:17
that hole don't make this
public. Don't tell me about it.
1:05:20
And it's Atlassian Atlassian is
it? And it is horrible and
1:05:25
there's no attention paid to it
zero instead. Oh, no, China's
1:05:29
giant. Tick tock is spying on
your Confluence constantly.
1:05:34
You've heard of confluence.
Caught the product Confluence.
1:05:39
John C Dvorak: No, I don't know
the product Confluence. Everyone
1:05:42
Adam Curry: uses it is where you
put all your notes, all the
1:05:44
programming code, just like
GitHub on steroids. It's been
1:05:48
hacked for a few weeks now. And
they're not talking about it.
1:05:52
But it's, it's really, really
bad. And no, no tick tock with
1:05:56
with Rhonda as five year old
1:05:59
Unknown: old, I'm concerned
about the data that they're
1:06:02
getting from our young people
and what they're doing to
1:06:05
pollute the minds of our young
people, these kids get these
1:06:08
devices and they have a mind of
their own. And I know a lot of
1:06:11
parents are looking, it's hard
to even keep it out. China's
1:06:14
obviously the most extreme, but
this is happening with other
1:06:17
things. So we are going to do
that. And we are going to make
1:06:20
sure to protect the American
people. It's a full spectrum
1:06:22
approach to be able to fend
China off. Yes. Military
1:06:26
deterrence, yes. Economic
decoupling. Also their role in
1:06:31
our culture. If we don't, if we
ignore that, we're not going to
1:06:34
be able to win the fight.
1:06:35
Together. Ambassador Haley said
to the parents out there,
1:06:38
they're probably tick tock apps
on half the phone.
1:06:42
No, I'm gonna speak to the fact
that two people hit me and you
1:06:44
didn't let me respond. So let's
first talk about the fact that
1:06:48
they want to talk about the
Chinese land from 10 years ago.
1:06:51
Yes, I brought a fiberglass
company 10 years ago to South
1:06:54
Carolina. But Ron, you are the
chair of your economic
1:06:58
development agency that as of
last week, said Florida is the
1:07:03
ideal place for Chinese
businesses. Not only that, you
1:07:08
have a company that is
manufacture of Chinese military
1:07:12
planes. You have it, they are
expanding to training sites at
1:07:16
two of your airports now, one
which is 12 miles away from a
1:07:19
naval base, then you have
another company that's
1:07:22
expanding, and they were just
invaded by the Department of
1:07:25
Homeland Security. Oh,
1:07:27
Adam Curry: so now we have
millionaires who've been a part
1:07:29
of the military industrial
complex comparing who has worst
1:07:33
stuff in their state in their
states. Nikki Haley, you know,
1:07:40
there's a lot of Republicans who
really dig her. I don't know. I
1:07:43
can't I
1:07:44
John C Dvorak: don't get it
either.
1:07:45
Adam Curry: I don't understand.
I
1:07:46
John C Dvorak: andriese. A
horror. She seems like a
1:07:47
horrible person.
1:07:49
Adam Curry: I don't get it. I
just don't get it. Why did
1:07:51
John C Dvorak: she get it? Well,
it just gets worse. So let's
1:07:55
five. This is a good finish that
one. Yeah, that's done. That's
1:07:59
done. That was for. Okay. So I
didn't know that. They were
1:08:04
building Chinese military planes
in Florida. But that's what she
1:08:08
says. Yeah. But what happens?
What did they find back to
1:08:12
China? Well, what's the deal? I
find out so I never heard that.
1:08:17
So but okay. So now we start
getting into it because she
1:08:21
opens the gate to bickering. So
here we go with the fight that
1:08:26
started
1:08:26
Unknown: mine was 10 years ago.
What's your story? Then? I
1:08:31
abolished that agency that she's
talking about. Enterprise
1:08:35
Florida. We abolished it. And of
course, we banned China for
1:08:38
buying the website. Recruiting,
banning them from purchasing.
1:08:46
Adam Curry: Florida, use grab
your website laughing. This is
1:08:52
an embarrassment.
1:08:53
Unknown: Mr. Ramaswamy. We've
talked about this you campaign
1:08:57
on tick tock. How do you get to
talk banned if you use it?
1:09:01
Well, I want to laugh at why
Nikki Haley didn't answer your
1:09:04
question, which was about
looking at families in the eye.
1:09:06
In the last debate, she made fun
of me for actually joining Tik
1:09:09
Tok while her own daughter was
actually using the app for a
1:09:12
long time. So you might want to
take care of your family first.
1:09:17
The next generation of Americans
are using and that's actually
1:09:21
the point of her supporters.
Propping her up that's fine.
1:09:25
Here's the truth. Here's the
answer.
1:09:31
Adam Curry: Leave my daughter
out of your voice. You spoke it
1:09:33
was mouth and then you should
have slapped him. Like will will
1:09:37
did to his to Chris Rock.
1:09:39
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that would
have been that what you hear
1:09:41
carefully at the end or she
calls him Scott.
1:09:43
Adam Curry: No, I know. I heard
everyone heard it. I'm gonna
1:09:45
play it again. Right. You're
just scum. Here's the truth.
1:09:48
Your easy answer. Just calm.
This is a scam. That Well, in a
1:09:52
way he's scummy. In a way,
they're all scum. This
1:09:57
John C Dvorak: is this is
something I think there's some
1:09:58
subtle, more subtle thing there.
both Indian and she's Indian
1:10:03
tonight think that there's a
planning issue here.
1:10:06
Adam Curry: Oh, that's what we
need in our politics. Yeah. We
1:10:12
don't we didn't we didn't have
Indian classicism yet. Oh, good.
1:10:17
I have 121 second clip of Haley,
which I thought was on the level
1:10:22
of Judge Jeanine and it was
about what she would say to
1:10:27
Benjamin not Netanyahu about
Hamas, Hamas.
1:10:31
John C Dvorak: I just play it
because the last clip is gonna
1:10:33
wrap it. The first
1:10:35
Unknown: thing I said to him
when it happened was I said,
1:10:37
finish them, finish them finish
1:10:40
Adam Curry: them. That's like,
end them. It's like that is so
1:10:43
creepy. The way she says that?
Yeah, she should creep. Finish
1:10:48
them. Finish them. All right.
1:10:52
John C Dvorak: Here we go. So
this is the final clip of this
1:10:54
of the debate is all about this
one topic. I didn't go any
1:10:57
further. I could clip thing all
night. But this is the bickering
1:11:00
stuff and here we go with the
fight continued. And this is the
1:11:04
just, it just falls apart.
1:11:07
Unknown: Here's the truth. Your
easy answer is actually to say
1:11:10
that we're just going to ban one
app, we got to go further. We
1:11:13
have to ban any US company
actually transferring US data to
1:11:18
the Chinese here's a story. Most
people don't know Airbnb, hands
1:11:22
over us user data to the CCP
that's a US owned company. So
1:11:28
this is the problem when you
have Republicans that
1:11:30
temporarily go the way the winds
blow and now it's popular to
1:11:33
talk tough on China when she was
UN Ambassador called them
1:11:36
literally her words not mine our
great friend
1:11:38
Adam Curry: you know what he
should have done? He says you're
1:11:40
just a dot head. He should have
done that you towelhead Nikki
1:11:44
Haley
1:11:44
Unknown: and when you have
Republicans that temporarily go
1:11:47
the way the winds blow and now
it's popular to talk tough on
1:11:50
China when she was UN Ambassador
called them literally her words
1:11:52
not my our great friend. He
can't be fairweather fans of the
1:11:56
right policy. Get to the root
cause even US companies in
1:12:00
Silicon Valley are regularly
doing it. The virtue signaling
1:12:05
the fact of the matter is
Democrats are on tick tock today
1:12:07
the only person one of the few
people who stop stop stop
1:12:11
John C Dvorak: it this guy
rattles off stuff so fast. He's
1:12:14
a fast talker, Ben Shapiro. Yes.
Well, no one's doing data to
1:12:19
China because you get paid money
is not virtue signaling. No,
1:12:24
that's called but he makes it
sound as though the whole thing
1:12:27
is that you're interrelate
virtue signaling stop virtue
1:12:30
signaling by sending your data
to China what that doesn't make
1:12:33
any sense. But he's talked so
fast he Blathers, this stuff out
1:12:37
like a machine gun. And you
know, it's it's I don't like
1:12:40
hey,
1:12:41
Adam Curry: are you getting
worked up over this? Yeah, doing
1:12:45
the right to
1:12:46
Unknown: get to the root cause
even US companies in Silicon
1:12:50
Valley are regularly doing it.
The virtue signaling. The fact
1:12:54
of the matter is Democrats are
on tick tock today, the only
1:12:57
person one of the few people who
is putting up content the way
1:13:00
the actual algorithms work
speaking for pro Israel views or
1:13:03
others and more Republicans will
join it to stop us companies
1:13:07
from turning over data to
Chinese companies that
1:13:12
don't get to respond to personal
attacks. But you do.
1:13:14
Thank you very much. You know,
when he talks about me praising
1:13:17
China, he doesn't know the fact
that the reason China was
1:13:20
praised was because I negotiated
with China and Russia the
1:13:23
largest set of sanctions against
North Korea in a generation. We
1:13:27
are the that is literally the
reason North Korea stopped
1:13:30
testing ballistic missiles. So I
said China did good on their
1:13:34
Adam Curry: way. I thought it
was Trump who said I got a
1:13:36
button here and mind go boom,
wasn't
1:13:41
John C Dvorak: her she's the one
who did it. Oh, Nikki,
1:13:43
Adam Curry: whoa, we should give
her money
1:13:45
Unknown: because I negotiated
with China and Russia the
1:13:47
largest set of sanctions against
North Korea in a generation. We
1:13:51
are the that is literally the
reason North Korea stopped
1:13:54
testing ballistic missiles. So I
said China did good on their
1:13:57
part. That was
1:14:00
you said Nikki, those are your
words not mine is to just own up
1:14:03
to you would never lie to the
people about my
1:14:12
everyday I fought China and I
did it by making sure no agency
1:14:17
heads in un. I did it by making
sure that we call them out on
1:14:22
human rights. I did it by making
sure that we held them
1:14:24
accountable on everything that
they did. That's the reason we
1:14:27
got out of the Human Rights
Council. That's the reason we
1:14:30
call them out. And I have theirs
1:14:34
Adam Curry: was made afterwards.
100% Entertainment is great.
1:14:40
This is fantastic. This is fun
to watch. This is why we watch
1:14:44
debates. This the only reason
that I have I have a clip my one
1:14:49
clip, I thought debates Yes. I
look at the opening Vivec
1:14:54
Ramaswamy. And the first thing
he does is he takes the the the
1:15:00
cheer woman of the Republican
Party. Isn't Isn't she a Romney?
1:15:06
John C Dvorak: She's the rah
rah. I think she's even related.
1:15:09
I think she is. Yeah. Yeah.
Related to the Romney since
1:15:12
robic Romney eight
1:15:13
Adam Curry: Ronna Romney. Run
isn't that women see her name
1:15:16
is? I'm gonna look at real good
Ronna Romney McDaniel. And not
1:15:23
just that he takes the host to
task. I thought this was the
1:15:27
best of the entire entertainment
show.
1:15:30
Unknown: Please make your case.
Why would you? Why should you be
1:15:33
the nominee and not the former
president?
1:15:35
I think there's something deeper
going on in the Republican Party
1:15:38
here and I am upset about what
happened last night. We become a
1:15:42
party of losers. At the end of
the day was cancer, the
1:15:45
Republican establishment speak
the truth. I mean, since Rhonda
1:15:48
McDaniel took over as chairwoman
of the RNC in 2017. We have lost
1:15:53
2018 2020 2022 No red wave that
never came. We got trounced last
1:15:58
night in 2023. And I think that
we have to have accountability
1:16:03
in our party. For that matter.
Ron, if you want to come on
1:16:05
stage tonight you want to look
the GOP voters in the eye and
1:16:08
tell them you resign. I will
turn over my yield my time to
1:16:11
you. And frankly, look, the
people they're cheering for
1:16:14
losing and the Republican Party.
Think about who's moderating
1:16:17
this debate. This should be
Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and
1:16:20
Elon Musk 10 times the
viewership asking questions that
1:16:24
GOP primary voters actually care
about and bringing more people
1:16:27
into our party, getting the
Democrats and we've got Kristen
1:16:31
getting a demo Democrats would
actually hire Greg Gutfeld,
1:16:34
toasted democratic they wouldn't
do it. I mean, Chris, I'm gonna
1:16:39
use this talk because it's
actually about you in the media
1:16:42
and the corrupt media
establishment. Ask you the Trump
1:16:44
Russia collusion hoax that you
pushed on this network for
1:16:47
years. Was that real? Or was
that Hillary Clinton made up
1:16:51
misinformation? Answer the
question go,
1:16:54
Adam Curry: go. I love that by
the way, answer the question go
1:17:00
I gotta use that was that
Hillary Clinton should try that
1:17:03
with your wife.
1:17:06
John C Dvorak: Everybody out
there listening to this show
1:17:07
should think about using that
technique.
1:17:11
Unknown: Question. Didn't need
this information. Answer the
1:17:15
question go. This
1:17:22
accountability because this
media rig the 2016 election,
1:17:26
they rigged the 2020 election
with the Hunter Biden laptop
1:17:28
story. This electric time is
accountability.
1:17:36
Adam Curry: Fabulous, I thought
that was great. I really loved
1:17:38
it. That has nothing to do with
the presidential debate.
1:17:41
John C Dvorak: None to do.
1:17:42
Adam Curry: I love I gotta call
Joe. Because you know, Joe,
1:17:45
he'll be like, This is so weird.
He doesn't understand any of us
1:17:50
is so weird that people think
that I should be leading the
1:17:54
debate with Elon and what was
the what was the other one? With
1:17:58
Elon Musk? Greg and Tucker?
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That'll be the
1:18:04
that'll Megyn Kelly get ready to
talk about something that Dan
1:18:08
bond Gino, your review
background was rollers
1:18:10
absolutely right. Gino use promo
code bond Gino. Meanwhile, there
1:18:18
were some actual problems with
the this this off year vote,
1:18:25
which for some states. There are
some people know there's some
1:18:29
positions and state legislative
legislations that had to be
1:18:33
voted on Texas had a whole bunch
of propositions. But I think I
1:18:37
said no to almost every single
one of them. Hey, should the
1:18:40
state of Texas make money
available to build
1:18:42
pharmaceutical facilities? No.
Should we make money available
1:18:46
to build out broadband? No, let
them do it commercially, you
1:18:49
know, stupid questions. But this
voting machine glitches, actual
1:18:55
glitches while we've got to show
let's not talk about what
1:18:58
happened in Pennsylvania.
1:19:00
Unknown: Now headlines with
words like voting machines
1:19:03
malfunction, voting machine
glitch flipped votes, issue and
1:19:07
voting machines and counties
face and ballot marking machine
1:19:10
issues headlines like these on
the day of an election add to
1:19:14
the distrust in America's
democracy.
1:19:18
Adam Curry: By the way, this is
not some mainstream news. This
1:19:21
is straight arrow news
Northampton
1:19:23
Unknown: County, Pennsylvania
with a population of over
1:19:25
300,000. Voters were asked to
decide whether two judges should
1:19:30
be retained for additional 10
year terms. When voters received
1:19:34
their printed voting summary.
The yes or no votes were
1:19:37
switched. Election officials
learned it was an issue on all
1:19:41
300 Plus voting systems in the
county. Election officials say
1:19:45
it was a clerical and coding
error. Even though printed
1:19:49
voting records showed a switch
in votes. The voting machines
1:19:53
back end system tabulated the
votes accurately. Don't worry
1:19:57
Adam Curry: the back end off
it'd be the back end systems.
1:20:00
got you covered. It's all fine.
Meanwhile, in
1:20:03
Unknown: Kentucky with a
governor's race on the line
1:20:05
voting machines in some counties
were selecting the wrong options
1:20:09
on touchscreens when a voter
went to select a straight party
1:20:12
votes. Election officials say
sometimes it would highlight the
1:20:16
wrong party. Oh, yes. Yes, we've
had
1:20:19
issues. This is not the way
elections supposed to be
1:20:21
conducted. That all sounds
horrible. But that's not the
1:20:26
voting. That's a ballot marking
device. No.
1:20:28
Okay. Apparently, the issue was
a persistent one starting days
1:20:32
before during early voting,
that's according to the election
1:20:35
official. So these flyers were
hung at polling locations,
1:20:38
alerting a voter to select their
candidate by clicking their
1:20:42
name, rather than the tiny box.
All right,
1:20:45
Adam Curry: so that was
throughout the country, then
1:20:47
Pennsylvania, people, people
noticed that their votes were
1:20:52
flipped. And this immediately
became an issue. They they
1:20:57
hauled in the the Senior Vice
President of customer operations
1:21:02
of election systems and
software, as the company
1:21:06
responsible for the Pennsylvania
votes. And she was asked, Hey,
1:21:10
how did this happen, that
people's votes were flipped?
1:21:13
What what went wrong? What
happened here?
1:21:16
Unknown: That's been brought to
my attention. But yes, I believe
1:21:19
so. Well, like I said, it was a
human error, based on, you know,
1:21:27
someone from our team that
program the election, and they
1:21:31
Adam Curry: I love the term, by
the way, someone on our team who
1:21:34
programmed the election, sorry
to sound like that's how it
1:21:36
works these days. Well,
1:21:38
Unknown: like I said, it was a
human error, based on, you know,
1:21:42
someone from our team that
program the election, and they
1:21:47
made a mistake, putting the
printed text on the card, as
1:21:51
compared to the boat screen.
Because the retention is a lot
1:21:56
of text to it. It's got to be
abbreviated on the printed card.
1:22:01
So someone on our team
inadvertently put the wrong name
1:22:05
advertently
1:22:07
Adam Curry: compensate, when
will we learn?
1:22:10
John C Dvorak: Well, you know,
the way to deal with this in the
1:22:12
end it is when you catch
somebody like this, you call for
1:22:16
another election and make that
company pay for it. Elections
1:22:19
cost millions of dollars to do
Yeah. Election a complete redo,
1:22:25
and you make them pay for it?
Yes. And they should sign a
1:22:29
document before they're given
the contract. How about be
1:22:32
liable for all these issues? And
how about fully liable? How
1:22:36
about we look, we weren't having
a liability in this country?
1:22:39
vaccines? Who cares what happens
to you?
1:22:44
Adam Curry: Okay, since you
bring that up, let's go to Bobby
1:22:47
The up because Bobby, the OP is
also in the news talking about
1:22:50
presidential hopefuls PBS hmm,
there we are, again, everybody,
1:22:55
let's let's play elitist voices
of America. This is NPR or PBS?
1:23:04
Unknown: Can I ask you another
question about your candidacy
1:23:06
because a number of your own
family members have spoken out
1:23:10
against it. Four of your
siblings issued a statement
1:23:12
denouncing your candidacy,
saying it's dangerous for the
1:23:15
country. They wrote in a
statement Bobby might share the
1:23:17
same name is our father. He
doesn't share the same values
1:23:20
vision or judgment. Your
families are icons of the
1:23:24
Democratic Party. They do not
typically speak out against
1:23:27
their own, but they are in this
case, why?
1:23:30
Well, I have 105 family, living
family members or your siblings
1:23:35
are supporting me. But let me
ask you this. Does your family
1:23:40
always agree with everything
that you do?
1:23:42
They don't always agree with it.
But I think they vote for me if
1:23:44
I ran for president out of
1:23:46
the market to vote for me, but
not all of them, your siblings.
1:23:48
So my family has a long history
with President Biden, there's
1:23:55
five members of my family that
are working for the
1:23:57
administration. And President
Biden has a statue I busted my
1:24:03
father behind him at the Oval
Office. We've I've known
1:24:06
President Biden virtually my
entire life. All the people in
1:24:10
my family are many of the people
including all the people that
1:24:13
you mentioned there, the four
members of my family, you
1:24:16
mentioned there have strong,
long friendships with President
1:24:20
Biden. And I understand they're
disappointed with the fact that
1:24:25
I would run against him but
they're
1:24:27
more than disappointed sir.
They're saying that it's
1:24:29
dangerous for the country
dangerous.
1:24:32
You would have to ask them, why
don't you have them on this
1:24:34
show? And you can ask them what
they said that
1:24:37
Adam Curry: day. All right. So
now to the vaccine question,
1:24:39
because of course, we have to
roll out the the anti Vaxxer and
1:24:45
I have to say I thought Buffy
the opposite of really good job
1:24:48
on this and maybe even scored a
point or two.
1:24:52
Unknown: Let me ask you about a
specific concern your family's
1:24:55
expressed in the past two which
is your controversial views on
1:24:58
on vaccines and being poor. To
the anti vaccine vaccines? Well,
1:25:03
you've said previously that no
vaccine is safe or effective,
1:25:07
which you did say that on in a
podcast interview Oh, July, you
1:25:12
did say that there are quotes
and that reporting is there. And
1:25:15
you're making something on Fox
News, you said that you still
1:25:19
believe in this idea that
vaccines can cause cause autism,
1:25:22
which has long been,
1:25:23
you're changing the subject what
you said.
1:25:26
I'm asking about your views on
vaccines. When that's right,
1:25:30
I'm happy to those are the
vaccines should be tested by all
1:25:35
other medications, our tests,
they shouldn't have placebo
1:25:37
controlled trials prior to
licensure is the only medical
1:25:42
product, the only medical
product or medical device that
1:25:46
is allowed to get a license
without engaging in a safety
1:25:50
test.
1:25:50
So you do not believe the
statement that no vaccine is
1:25:54
safe and effective. According to
these reports, and live
1:25:57
recording, a podcast interview
1:26:00
the problem if you are reading
reports about me in the
1:26:04
mainstream media, including this
network, they're almost always
1:26:07
inaccurate on how to any facts.
I've never been any back, spoke
1:26:11
before
1:26:12
one of the largest anti vaccine
groups in the country a few days
1:26:16
ago. That's what they call
themselves. That's not what they
1:26:18
call themselves, but that's what
they advocate. You know what I
1:26:21
speak to a lot
1:26:22
of people, and I don't agree,
and I don't pretend to agree
1:26:26
with everything that everybody
in the audience says, Can I ask
1:26:30
you? I, you know, I've said,
Listen, I fought against mercury
1:26:35
and fish for 40 years.
1:26:38
Nobody called me any fish. I
like the idea that we have seat
1:26:43
belts in cars.
1:26:44
Nobody calls me any automobile.
I want vaccines that are safe,
1:26:49
just like every other medicine
and are adequately tested. It
1:26:53
doesn't mean I'm anti vaccine.
It just means sensible and I've
1:26:58
gotten censored. I think most
Americans if they understood my
1:27:02
views, my real views rather than
theirs distortions of my views
1:27:06
in the mischaracterizations. You
hear from the mainstream media,
1:27:10
including this network that they
would agree with me,
1:27:13
I'll just say there's evidence
of these statements on the
1:27:16
record. Show me
1:27:22
evidence well, you call it
evidence of it
1:27:23
Adam Curry: a statement evidence
of a statement. I like that.
1:27:28
People don't call me auntie
fish. Like that. That was a good
1:27:34
one. So then, going
1:27:37
John C Dvorak: back to the
election machines, I do want to
1:27:39
read this from one of our
producers who said the that'd be
1:27:42
interesting to mention. He says
the Kentucky election results
1:27:45
occurring is boots on the ground
guy bring in New York Times 750
1:27:49
to 750 2000. Republicans voted
for the Attorney General 784
1:27:55
voted for the Secretary of State
both Republicans but only 627
1:28:00
voted for the Republican
governor. What what gives? That
1:28:04
means between 120,000 and
130,000, Republicans voted for a
1:28:08
Democrat Governor instead, but
doesn't make any sense. Oh,
1:28:11
that's
1:28:11
Adam Curry: the did the Democrat
winning Kentucky? Yeah. Well,
1:28:16
there you go.
1:28:17
John C Dvorak: He's reelected.
1:28:18
Adam Curry: A lot of people get
confused about what this means
1:28:21
you Oh, it's a blue wave. Okay.
1:28:24
John C Dvorak: It's a wave and
that's the
1:28:26
Adam Curry: wave of nothing.
Meanwhile, we had to slam Trump.
1:28:31
And I wasn't even prepared with
my own. My own setup. I'm
1:28:36
surprised. Yes. Who do you bring
out to the view if you want to
1:28:40
slam Trump? Oh, there she is.
Ladies and gentlemen. She's
1:28:43
flapping her wings. She's flying
around. Oh, yes. Yes, Hillary
1:28:51
Clinton on the view. Lovely.
Lovely. Now this country has
1:28:56
Unknown: a lot of problems. And
the main one is named Donald
1:28:59
Trump. Okay, I can't personally
believe that this loser has so
1:29:04
many people who still think that
he could make a decent
1:29:07
president. He's been criminally
charged with 91 counts. I mean,
1:29:11
he's practically got one foot in
jail. No going on a banana peel
1:29:14
the sky. And they still say oh,
we still like him. What do you
1:29:17
make of that?
1:29:19
Oh, I don't know joy. Didn't you
just write a play about this?
1:29:23
Adam Curry: Did you just write a
play? This joy Beyhadh written a
1:29:26
play news to me.
1:29:28
Unknown: By the way, you know,
Miss Mrs. Clinton did win the
1:29:32
popular vote. Yeah. Yeah.
Continue to believe that you
1:29:36
want Oh,
1:29:38
look, I think you're absolutely
right to sound the alarm. And
1:29:42
and what I think, again, we saw
yesterday is that a lot of
1:29:47
people may not be telling
pollsters they're reconsidering,
1:29:51
but they are reconsidering? I
do. I think that the chaos that
1:29:56
comes with is just It's not
attractive to a majority of
1:30:03
people anymore. But look, there
are people who still, you know,
1:30:06
are supportive. They say they're
gonna vote for him. We just have
1:30:09
to limit the number of those
people and reach out to those
1:30:13
who are having second thoughts
who say, Well, you know, I
1:30:15
thought he would have done
better or how much longer is he
1:30:18
going to do this rigged election
thing or look at all the
1:30:21
problems he's got in the court
system. So I think we have to
1:30:24
keep reaching out to the people
who are open to looking at the
1:30:29
damage that he would cause if
you were ever anywhere near the
1:30:32
White House.
1:30:33
We should knock him up now.
Well.
1:30:39
Adam Curry: Bonkers in the
boroughs at the New York Comedy
1:30:41
Festival, five short plays by
Joy Bay are about New Yorkers in
1:30:46
all five boroughs. So yes, I
guess you did write a play about
1:30:48
it.
1:30:49
John C Dvorak: I'll bet you
that's a good one. Tesco did
1:30:51
that. Now
1:30:52
Adam Curry: we bring in the
lawyer Sonny Halston, some of
1:30:54
the polls reflect
1:30:56
Unknown: that voters that if he
is convicted voters will change
1:31:01
their their opinion about him
and will vote for him so I even
1:31:04
the ones who are supporting him
not exactly so I trust I trust
1:31:07
that our country is
1:31:09
curious what do you think that's
true? Just because he's
1:31:11
convicted they don't believe
anything now what why would they
1:31:14
believe there are some that will
1:31:15
change? That is exactly what
these polls have have shown
1:31:19
Redmond.
1:31:19
Adam Curry: So first. So first,
people are lying to pollsters,
1:31:23
they really they're lying to
them. But this is what the polls
1:31:26
show.
1:31:26
Unknown: You know, I think when
you are in any, any kind of
1:31:30
relationship, when you're 100%
committed, it's really hard to
1:31:33
say you're wrong. Yes. You know,
people go Yeah, why
1:31:37
Adam Curry: are you still Oh,
projection? Anybody?
1:31:40
Unknown: This guy? And you're
like, Well, you know, I thought
1:31:43
he would do this or I liked what
he did there. And it's hard for
1:31:46
people to separate and I did say
and I believe this and there are
1:31:49
a lot of other people not just
me saying this. Liz Cheney said
1:31:52
it recently. Oh, that there's a
kind of cult like dementia is
1:31:57
like a walking ID you know, in
psychology ego and the super ego
1:32:03
and this
1:32:03
Adam Curry: one way over
everyone's head what is an ID?
1:32:06
Can you explain it because the
I'm sure that there's
1:32:09
John C Dvorak: getting goes back
to Freud, where they divides us,
1:32:13
the brain into subconscious
brain into the ego and the ID
1:32:18
and the super ego. It's all it's
into these chunks is kind of
1:32:22
like college girls, you know,
kind of remembrance. And so it
1:32:28
worked into the the it is like
the animal. And okay,
1:32:33
Adam Curry: this one, this one
over the crowds had the view
1:32:37
that
1:32:37
John C Dvorak: it did because
it's like old fashioned and
1:32:39
it's, it's, you know, esoteric,
to say the least nowadays,
1:32:43
Unknown: walking in, you know,
in psychology, ego and the super
1:32:48
ego and the ID. And so a lot of
people go, Oh, man, did you hear
1:32:51
what he said? It's like watching
a constant entertainment show.
1:32:55
And people get into that, and
they don't want to give it up
1:32:59
because it is, you know, kind of
entertaining and interesting
1:33:02
wants
1:33:02
Adam Curry: to chaos. Yes, not
chaos is a comedy show. But now
1:33:07
we have to do something that
always belongs in a conversation
1:33:11
about Donald Trump. We have to
bring a peddler
1:33:13
Unknown: I think that your last
job in 2016 will go down in
1:33:17
history is one of the most
pivotal times in our country,
1:33:20
one of the most pivotal moments
in our country. And it's still
1:33:24
reeling from, you know, Trump's
policies, I think, and the deep
1:33:30
divisions that he sowed in this
country, what in your view would
1:33:34
happen if he were to be
reelected? Oh, I can't even I
1:33:37
can't even think because I think
it would be the end of our
1:33:41
country as we know it. And I
don't say that, you know, I
1:33:45
hated losing, and especially
hated losing to him, because I
1:33:49
had seen so many warning signals
during the campaign. But I
1:33:53
immediately said, Look, we have
to give them a chance we got to
1:33:56
support. You know, the president
we have, and I meant it, and I
1:34:00
tried really hard and then the
resistance.
1:34:06
Adam Curry: Hey, man, bring up
Hitler
1:34:08
Unknown: No. campaign. But I
immediately said, Look, we have
1:34:12
to give them a chance. We've got
to support long the president we
1:34:16
have and I meant it. And I tried
really hard. And then literally
1:34:20
from his inauguration on, it was
nothing but you know, loving
1:34:24
people of things, making up
facts denying the size of the
1:34:28
crowd at his own inauguration.
And everything that I worried
1:34:32
about, I saw unfolding. And so I
think that he'd be even worse
1:34:37
now. Because he was somewhat
restrained, believe it or not,
1:34:43
first term by people who he
hired, because he thought they
1:34:48
would go along with him and they
stood up to him. And so now he
1:34:52
is going to
1:34:54
John C Dvorak: stop, stop, stop.
Do you remember the narrative
1:34:57
that nobody would stand up to
him? Yes, well, apparently that
1:35:03
was not the narrative is every
everyone was standing up to him.
1:35:06
And that's why he didn't destroy
the country, people
1:35:08
Adam Curry: move to Canada,
1:35:10
Unknown: by people who he hired,
because he thought they would go
1:35:14
along with him. And they stood
up to him. And so now he is
1:35:18
going to, if you were ever near
the oval office again, find
1:35:22
people who have no principles,
no conscience, who are totally
1:35:26
tied, you know, to his fortunes
literally, literally, therefore,
1:35:30
would do whatever he said. And
so the the wreckage is almost
1:35:34
unimaginable. You know, when I
was secretary of state, I used
1:35:36
to talk about one and done and
what I meant by that is that
1:35:41
people would get legitimately
elected. And then they would try
1:35:45
to do away with elections and do
away with opposition, and do
1:35:49
away with a free press like and
like
1:35:53
Adam Curry: it's just talking
about escapes. So how to do a
1:35:57
Hitler bring up Hitler Hitler a
1:35:59
Unknown: way with elections and
do away with opposition, and do
1:36:02
away with a free press. And you
could see it in countries where
1:36:07
well, Hitler was truly, right.
And so all of a sudden, somebody
1:36:12
with those tendencies so
dictatorial authoritarian
1:36:16
tendencies would be like, Okay,
we're going to shut this down.
1:36:19
We're going to throw these
people in jail. Yes. And they
1:36:22
didn't usually Telegraph that.
Trump is telling us what he had.
1:36:29
At his word, as the man means to
throw people in jail, who
1:36:33
disagree with them, shut down
legitimate press outlets do what
1:36:38
he can to literally undermine
the rule of law. He
1:36:41
Adam Curry: keeps hit the crowds
in 2016. were chanting, lock her
1:36:45
up, lock her up. He didn't even
throw Hillary in jail.
1:36:48
Unknown: And our country's
valuables used the military
1:36:50
never
1:36:50
John C Dvorak: even indicted her
for anything, even though she
1:36:52
clearly violated the law.
Protesters,
1:36:55
Unknown: he's gonna do it. He's
not gonna do a whole bunch of
1:36:57
stuff right now. Not right now.
But we'll find out what more we
1:37:04
think can go on.
1:37:07
Adam Curry: happened now,
something interesting happened.
1:37:10
But I think legal at ABC called
down to the studio and said, you
1:37:14
know, we got a problem with what
joy was ad libbing there. You
1:37:17
know, this is a tightly scripted
program. So we're not quite sure
1:37:21
why she did that. We need a
retraction on the air people
1:37:23
back
1:37:24
Unknown: with former Secretary
of State the fabulous Hillary
1:37:26
Clinton. But I was saying before
I just
1:37:30
let me get let me get a list and
please correct me something. Oh,
1:37:33
you do? Yeah. Because I don't
want the impression to be made
1:37:37
that I didn't accept the results
of the lead the Trump
1:37:40
administration to win, but I
don't like the Electoral
1:37:43
College. The popular he won the
Electoral College. And that's
1:37:47
the thing that needs to be
addressed. Because this person
1:37:50
was based on slavery. Yeah. And
I think it's an American. It's
1:37:54
an American.
1:37:57
Adam Curry: I think the
electoral college is unAmerican.
1:37:59
We got to get rid of that.
That's the problem we have to
1:38:01
address. And I don't want to
sound like an election denier.
1:38:04
According to ABC legal.
1:38:08
John C Dvorak: Speak. Yeah,
you're right. Somebody made the
1:38:10
call down. Totally. Yeah, you're
right. And this show is very
1:38:13
scripted.
1:38:14
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. She went
off script. Oh, man, it's just
1:38:18
so tiring. Yeah. And we still
have a whole year to go. Just
1:38:23
gonna get worse shot a whole
year. I don't know if we can we
1:38:26
can handle this. So yeah,
1:38:28
John C Dvorak: we were the best.
1:38:31
Adam Curry: Were the best. Yes.
So I have some some were the
1:38:35
best. Were the best or the best
or the best at handling this.
1:38:39
Yes. Take it easy. People. Don't
worry. We got another year to go
1:38:43
before you have to have your
vote changed by the machine.
1:38:46
Yeah. And the voting machine
whenever I think ink in the oh,
1:38:50
by the way, we have the I voted
done.
1:38:53
John C Dvorak: We have Yeah,
them over the finger. That
1:38:55
purple finger foam finger tip.
Just put me here's what's going
1:38:59
on. We're gonna have some action
here in the city. Oh, Cisco. Oh,
1:39:04
gee in San Francisco, part one
from NTD
1:39:07
Unknown: 20,000. Attendees
representing 21 member economies
1:39:11
will be in the city of San
Francisco. But what are the
1:39:14
highlights other than heightened
security massive road closures
1:39:18
and protests? I
1:39:19
think it's particularly
significant this year because
1:39:22
with the tension between the
United States and China, the
1:39:25
opportunity to have President Xi
meet with President Biden is a
1:39:29
very important one. The
1:39:30
White House announced last week
that US President Biden will
1:39:34
meet with a Chinese leader Xi
Jinping making the first time
1:39:37
the two leaders will speak in
person since a year ago.
1:39:40
Challenges
1:39:41
are facing a lot of pressure of
dunk downturn in the economy in
1:39:46
China. He won the American
business have to to go to China
1:39:50
to make more investment and he
also wants Americans to buy more
1:39:54
products from China. So that's
why he's coming both sides
1:39:59
up been showing signs of easing
up detentions.
1:40:02
As I've said, since the
beginning to my administration,
1:40:05
we see competition, not conflict
with China.
1:40:09
We're not looking for a new Cold
War. Treasury Secretary Janet
1:40:13
Yellen is also scheduled to host
the Chinese Vice Premier Li funk
1:40:17
for two days in San Francisco
before the start of the APEC
1:40:21
summit. This all comes on the
heels of California Governor
1:40:25
nuisance recent a week long
visit to China, a meeting with
1:40:29
the Chinese President Xi.
1:40:30
Adam Curry: Well, this is
interesting. Why didn't they
1:40:32
talk about that at the debate
last night? What a perfect
1:40:36
opportunity.
1:40:37
John C Dvorak: So the Seoul City
has been going to be shut down.
1:40:40
Basically, you can't go over
there. That couple of bridge
1:40:42
lanes are gonna be closed. Oh,
1:40:44
Adam Curry: you mean the
homeless can't move around the
1:40:46
day? Oh, no, they've
1:40:47
John C Dvorak: already rousted
them. They've robbed the
1:40:52
homeless cleaned up the poop
where
1:40:54
Adam Curry: they put him?
1:40:55
John C Dvorak: I have no idea.
I've been trying to figure it
1:40:57
out by the news reports, but all
I know is that the whole I would
1:41:00
like take a drive over there.
Maybe I'll do it tomorrow, go
1:41:02
see what's going on. Because
they have threatened me, they
1:41:05
are gusting up the city. They're
spending all the money they can
1:41:08
to gussy it up for because they
know that Chinese media is going
1:41:12
to be here. And if they see one
homeless guy pooping on the
1:41:15
street, they're gonna bet to be
all over Chinese news. And it'd
1:41:18
be a humiliation for the for us
mafia.
1:41:20
Adam Curry: Hold on hold on a
second, because first of all, GE
1:41:23
is coming here because he wants
more business he wants which is
1:41:26
which is our dark deal. And
everything manufactured in
1:41:30
China, we buy it dollars, they
go around, they buy our debt. I
1:41:33
mean, it's a system. So this
really detracts from the whole
1:41:38
Republican debate. I mean,
someone should have said, I
1:41:41
can't believe San Francisco is
gonna have G over Biden's gonna
1:41:44
be wishy he's our enemy. They
didn't do any of that. Because
1:41:47
I've done
1:41:48
John C Dvorak: an outstanding
rap. It's all scripted,
1:41:54
scripted, they're gonna you
know, and Biden comes into town
1:41:56
and causes nothing but trouble.
You got to pick
1:41:59
Adam Curry: it, you got to paint
your roof blue John, just so
1:42:01
that, you know, direct energy
weapon gets deployed to be
1:42:04
careful.
1:42:06
John C Dvorak: So hey, here's
part two.
1:42:08
Unknown: The key discussions of
this year summit will center
1:42:11
around trade technology transfer
and economic development.
1:42:15
The United States is very
concerned about technology
1:42:17
transfer to China, the United
States has been very aggressive
1:42:20
in pushing restrictions on
semiconductors. And that's been
1:42:24
a very important issue for us
because we're very concerned
1:42:26
about the transfer of technology
to China, potentially for
1:42:29
defense purposes,
1:42:30
but others are skeptical of
China's position and economic
1:42:34
sector.
1:42:35
More than 90% of Americans have
negative opinions about China.
1:42:39
So I don't see she is going to
be very successful to attract a
1:42:43
lot of investments to China.
1:42:46
While APEC is intended to be an
economic forum, political topics
1:42:50
that do come up during
discussions among world leaders,
1:42:53
especially when international
tensions are high with the
1:42:57
current Russia, Ukraine war and
conflicts in the Middle East.
1:43:01
Meanwhile, San Francisco is
aggressively clearing homeless
1:43:04
encampments, increasing drug
related arrests to improve the
1:43:08
city's image as delegations
arrived. Hey, that'll
1:43:11
Adam Curry: fool them. Yeah.
Clean up the streets. That'll
1:43:15
trick them into thinking
everything's great here. The
1:43:18
John C Dvorak: question you
asked earlier is the question I
1:43:20
still have when
1:43:22
Adam Curry: putting them in. Now
is this going to be at the
1:43:24
Moscone Center where they're
going to do it? Yeah, it's
1:43:26
John C Dvorak: gonna be right
near Moscone Center. It's
1:43:27
actually two sections are going
to be blocked. blockaded, is
1:43:31
going to be the entire Moscone
area. No, no traffic. And the
1:43:35
Fairmont. I guess they're
putting everybody up at the
1:43:37
Fairmont up on top of the hill.
1:43:40
Adam Curry: Oh, is it not the
Fairmont and Union Square?
1:43:44
John C Dvorak: No, this is a
fair amount on the hill. There
1:43:46
is no Fairmont on Union Square.
What's
1:43:48
Adam Curry: the Union Square?
There's something with an F I
1:43:49
thought the Pharaohs of Fairmont
there was a fair amount of Union
1:43:52
Square. thought there was a fair
amount there, which is filled
1:43:55
with the homeless. Remember?
1:44:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Now
maybe maybe I'm confused. Maybe
1:44:04
it is the Union Square Hotel.
That's still at some distance
1:44:07
still a distance away from the
from the
1:44:11
Adam Curry: homeless in the
Fairmont. I'm sure of it.
1:44:14
John C Dvorak: I don't know if
they put the homeless in there.
1:44:16
I think it was they tried to not
do that. But whatever the case
1:44:20
is, that's all blockaded. So the
city's gonna be a mess. So
1:44:25
nobody should go to San
Francisco but I again I don't
1:44:27
know what they've done with all
these people. And his hunt
1:44:30
hundreds of I think it was like
6500 I think they should this is
1:44:34
the time to initiate the shanty
town
1:44:37
Adam Curry: on the hill at the
Fairmont on the hill where
1:44:39
John C Dvorak: Yeah, on the hill
where they have a view just like
1:44:42
Brazil. Perfect
1:44:43
Adam Curry: now no one cares
about the American homeless no
1:44:46
one cares about the drug
addicts. No, we care about
1:44:48
Hamas, Israel. You aren't
1:44:56
John C Dvorak: just talking
about that.
1:44:58
Adam Curry: Oh, please, please.
Can we not talk about that? I'm
1:45:01
so tired. I
1:45:02
John C Dvorak: want to talk
about because I got these clips.
1:45:05
Okay, this is Dershowitz. All
right. And Dershowitz went on
1:45:12
the I think it's a little TV
local TV show or something that
1:45:16
that Huckabee does.
1:45:17
Adam Curry: He can't get on any
other network no one else has.
1:45:21
John C Dvorak: So he's on TBD as
he's called TBCs on with
1:45:24
Huckabee, how can be has a show?
Yeah, yeah. It could be as a
1:45:28
show. And so Dersch went on the
show in the last few weeks, and
1:45:34
he was doing a lamentation which
I had to have to, I had what
1:45:37
what is lamentation? What's kind
of a Christian idea? Is where
1:45:43
you just lament your view rose.
Oh, you know, this, you know,
1:45:49
the worst day? And I think, you
know, you're just it's, it's
1:45:52
kind of a prayer in some ways,
but he's not Catholic. Maybe
1:45:56
he's Catholic. Maybe it's not
anything else. But it's a
1:45:59
moaning and groaning that's
1:46:01
Adam Curry: Jewish. Come on, get
your religious Jewish. There you
1:46:04
go.
1:46:05
John C Dvorak: So he comes up
with a lamentation I have to cut
1:46:08
two clips here. And the
lamentation as I listened to it,
1:46:12
because I followed this guy
since I was in college. This
1:46:15
guy's old and delimitation that
much of this is actually his
1:46:21
fault.
1:46:23
Unknown: But the professor's I'm
sorry.
1:46:26
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I thought
you were Yeah, let me finish was
1:46:28
way too big of a pause.
1:46:31
John C Dvorak: Sorry, Jewish
professor, that would You're
1:46:34
right. You hit the you hit it.
But Jewish professors are
1:46:38
largely responsible for what's
happened in the colleges. And
1:46:43
now they're doing lamentation
about it. And they blame
1:46:47
everybody but themselves and
1:46:49
Adam Curry: you want to you want
to back that claim up. What are
1:46:52
you saying? Jewish professors
are responsible for wokeness?
1:46:57
Unknown: Yeah.
1:46:58
Adam Curry: You before we play
these clips do explain. I've
1:47:02
John C Dvorak: been through this
system. I went to University of
1:47:04
California, Berkeley, and the
Jewish liberal elite in this
1:47:09
country is largely responsible
for wokeness.
1:47:13
Adam Curry: Wow, the I don't
think I've heard this accusation
1:47:17
yet anywhere. After Oh, there it
is. have to check with Dan bond
1:47:21
Gino Techwin Mancino. He'll
1:47:24
John C Dvorak: tell you what
1:47:25
Unknown: the ultimate victims
are all good people. All
1:47:29
Americans, Judeo Christian
values. That's what's under
1:47:33
attack. This is a war between
decency and barbarism not
1:47:38
talking about the Palestinian
people. They should be saved
1:47:42
from Hamas and allowed to live
in peace. I'm talking about
1:47:45
these people from Hamas that
raped and these people at
1:47:50
Harvard who support the rapist?
Can you imagine them supporting
1:47:54
rapists? in any other context? I
cannot
1:47:58
you you talk there for many
years, one of the most
1:48:00
distinguished professors of law
anywhere. Your career at Harvard
1:48:04
was
1:48:05
Adam Curry: the seller. However
question, since when is rapists
1:48:09
worse than killers? He kind of
positions raping above killing
1:48:16
Did I did I misunderstood
1:48:17
John C Dvorak: why he never
mentioned his killings. I think
1:48:21
that was just an oversight.
Okay.
1:48:22
Unknown: I cannot you you talk
there for many years, one of the
1:48:25
most distinguished professors of
law anywhere. Your career at
1:48:29
Harvard was the stellar Are you
shocked by what you're saying?
1:48:33
You know, it
1:48:34
reminds me of I remember reading
about a Jewish professor in
1:48:38
Berlin, who love to teach German
students. And then he was taken
1:48:43
into the gas chambers by one of
his own students. 10 years
1:48:46
later, when I think of my
students who I taught, I labored
1:48:51
over I love them. I wrote them
recommendations. And then they
1:48:55
write a petition saying it's all
Israel's fault. Imagine if I had
1:49:00
students who were in the Ku Klux
Klan, and they said, Oh, those
1:49:04
black people who were lynched,
it was their fault, or those
1:49:09
women who were raped, it was
their fault, or the people who
1:49:12
were shot in the street. It was
their fault. That's what these
1:49:16
students were saying. And I said
to myself, I taught them for 50
1:49:20
years. What has gone wrong?
1:49:24
John C Dvorak: Tick tock hollows
meant tick
1:49:28
Adam Curry: tock. What else
could have gone right? These are
1:49:31
MK Ultra trauma, mind controlled
human beings. Hello.
1:49:36
John C Dvorak: But he did a
shitty job of teaching him if
1:49:38
they'll if they turned on him.
And I would say the same thing
1:49:41
to that. A folklore ish story
about the Jewish professor was
1:49:46
walked into the gas chambers by
one.
1:49:48
Adam Curry: I've never heard
this story, but it's a good one.
1:49:50
It's a good one. But you
1:49:51
John C Dvorak: know, and it
probably happened at some level
1:49:54
in some way. Yeah, but
1:49:56
Adam Curry: George Soros walked
1:49:59
Unknown: in happiest time of my
life or as was the guy, happiest
1:50:03
time of my life? Yes.
1:50:06
John C Dvorak: Yes. And so so
this lament is goes on and it's
1:50:14
really He's beside himself with
this. And I think he should be
1:50:18
because it's like what? It's, he
has to have some reason to think
1:50:23
that there's he's got something
to do with it. So let's go with
1:50:28
part two second part of this
clip, it
1:50:31
Unknown: must be a little
comforting to see that many of
1:50:34
the high dollar donors to
schools like Harvard and Penn
1:50:37
and others are saying we're not
giving any more money unless you
1:50:40
stand against this
1:50:41
on Jews as well as Jews. Yes,
Huntsman and Mormon now has said
1:50:45
that many many other people
they've said, Look, we have a
1:50:48
lot of places to give our money
to. We've given it to Harvard
1:50:51
and Yale and other schools. But
look what they've turned out.
1:50:56
There has to be a reckoning when
George Floyd was killed and it
1:50:59
was horrible. One man filled
with drugs, long history of
1:51:03
front one man is killed. What
happens a major reckoning in
1:51:07
every American not only
University Media Company
1:51:10
Corporation, admission standards
change the curriculum change. We
1:51:16
need a reckoning by universities
about their attitude toward Jews
1:51:21
toward Judeo Christian values
toward America toward
1:51:26
patriotism. We need a reckoning
and until that reckoning thumbs
1:51:31
we must stop supporting those
schools financial
1:51:37
Adam Curry: All right, got a
little applause there.
1:51:39
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Well,
I just found this to be funny.
1:51:45
Adam Curry: It's funny because
is he just now figuring out that
1:51:48
John C Dvorak: that's, that's
what's funny. You're just new.
1:51:51
You isolated the humorous
moment. Has he just after he's
1:51:55
like his ad or something now? He
just figured this out.
1:52:00
Adam Curry: And that he's to
blame. And he's to blame. Oh,
1:52:06
goodness. Well, since you broach
the topic, let's get a little
1:52:11
update from our resident spook
Richard angle. Let's see what's
1:52:14
going on, buddy. Let's see
what's happening. The Israeli
1:52:16
Unknown: military says it's
fighting inside Gaza City
1:52:19
tonight. Releasing this video of
soldiers on the hunt thing
1:52:24
again,
1:52:25
Adam Curry: I have to give props
because you know, you don't even
1:52:28
have to see the video to win
just you hear all the explosions
1:52:33
and the death and destruction.
This is so bad for This Is War
1:52:38
noise. You've heard or noise
four to four. You've heard a
1:52:42
food noise. This is war noise in
your brain. The
1:52:45
Unknown: Israeli military says
it's fighting inside Gaza City
1:52:49
tonight. Releasing this video of
soldiers on the hunt for Hamas.
1:52:55
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu
says Israel will take overall
1:52:59
security responsibility in Gaza
for an unspecified period to
1:53:03
prevent another Hamas attack,
prompting this response from the
1:53:07
White House President
1:53:08
maintains his position that
reoccupation by Israeli forces
1:53:13
is not the right thing to do.
1:53:15
Israel's air and ground
offensive is turning cities
1:53:18
wastelands and many Palestinians
say Israel is carrying out its
1:53:23
revenge against 2.3 million
people who can't leave the Gaza
1:53:28
Strip one month on and this war
still seems to be in its early
1:53:33
stages. That
1:53:34
Richard I know there's also a
new headline tonight about the
1:53:37
wars impact on the people of
Gaza.
1:53:41
The UN said today 70% of Gazans
have been displaced from their
1:53:45
homes since the start of the
war. That's about one and a half
1:53:48
million people, Lester.
1:53:53
Adam Curry: We have let's see.
We have Israel being very bad.
1:53:59
CBS CBS has this report.
1:54:01
Unknown: President Biden called
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu
1:54:04
again this morning telling him
it is imperative to reduce
1:54:08
civilian casualties in Gaza,
which by us count are
1:54:12
skyrocketing.
1:54:13
Many many 1000s have been killed
and many more injured or
1:54:19
wounded.
1:54:20
US officials say the majority of
bombs Israel has dropped on Gaza
1:54:24
are unguided so called dumb
bombs, which are accurate but
1:54:28
less precise than satellite
guided weapons.
1:54:31
Adam Curry: I can't believe that
using dumb bombs. How about the
1:54:33
smart bombs the smart but we've
been using surgical strikes from
1:54:37
smart bombs for decades now.
They're using dumb bombs. These
1:54:41
Unknown: officials say the
primary cause of civilian
1:54:44
casualties is not the message.
But Israel's willingness to
1:54:48
strike targets Hamas located in
civilian neighborhoods. This is
1:54:52
tragic, but we cannot allow for
mass immunity just because they
1:54:56
hide behind civilians.
1:54:59
Israel claims Seems it has
killed more than 60 Hamas
1:55:02
operatives, but US officials
questioned whether the military
1:55:05
value of the strikes is worth
the civilian harm
1:55:09
Adam Curry: to listen to the
horrible noises in the
1:55:11
background people in sheer
terror. Good job CBS the
1:55:15
Israelis
1:55:15
Unknown: are dropped leaflets
warning civilians to flee
1:55:18
northern Gaza. Even so said one
US official civilian casualties
1:55:23
are not a priority of their
1:55:25
Adam Curry: you know, if you
look online right now, man, it
1:55:29
doesn't matter where you load
weight
1:55:30
John C Dvorak: will stop from
what he said something
1:55:34
interesting the way he said it.
Civilian casualties are not a
1:55:40
priority. I'm gonna listen
again, you have sufficient
1:55:43
sentences that what does that
mean?
1:55:45
Unknown: Let's listen question
whether the military value of
1:55:47
the strikes is worth the
civilian harm. Israelis have
1:55:51
dropped leaflets warning
civilians to flee northern Gaza.
1:55:55
Even so said one US official
civilian casualties are not a
1:55:59
priority of theirs. Okay, well,
1:56:04
John C Dvorak: does that mean
that you would prioritize you
1:56:06
want more civilian cancer
casualties?
1:56:09
Adam Curry: That's one way of
looking at it. They
1:56:11
John C Dvorak: say that. Well,
1:56:12
Adam Curry: now I have to finish
the report.
1:56:14
Unknown: Oh, Israel does this
matters. We will focus as well
1:56:18
on steps that need to be taken
to protect civilians who are in
1:56:23
a crossfire of Mostess. Making
us
1:56:26
is already shipping Israel
precision guided 250 pound
1:56:30
bombs, which have a much smaller
blast radius, compared to some
1:56:33
of the bunker busters that have
been used to go after the Hamas
1:56:37
tunnel system. Israel says it
needs more white phosphorus
1:56:40
shells, which can be used to
create smoke screens but also
1:56:45
cause horrific burns. A US
official says the Biden
1:56:49
administration is unlikely to
grant that request. Now
1:56:53
John C Dvorak: after we sell.
We're just going to Ukraine.
1:56:56
Yeah, we say we sent cluster
bombs to Ukraine. All but from
1:56:59
the white Bosphorus all Ukraine.
Yeah,
1:57:01
Adam Curry: and we have
evidence. Now we also mentioned
1:57:04
the tunnels. You and I both got
the clip where at least both had
1:57:08
I saw you posted on no agenda
social. So I have the clip, just
1:57:11
on the tunnels, which has always
been this you know, there's
1:57:14
always a tunnel Bin Laden had a
tunnel. It was so sophisticated
1:57:18
Bin Laden tunnel system. It
wasn't just tunnels. It was
1:57:21
entire into quarters layers. And
the here is Secretary of Defense
1:57:26
at the time, Donald Rumsfeld
with things like Meet the Press.
1:57:33
With dead guy now. What's his
name?
1:57:35
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you're
right. Yeah, him that guy. And
1:57:38
he's got the picture that eight
story tunnels deeply with
1:57:42
meeting room. Beds. Here's
1:57:45
Unknown: the clip, there was
constant discussion about him
1:57:47
hiding out in caves. And I think
many times the American people
1:57:50
have a perception that it's a
little hole dug out of upside of
1:57:52
a mountain. Oh, no, this is it.
This is a fortress, a complex
1:57:56
multi tiered bedrooms and
offices on the top. As you can
1:57:59
see secret exits on the side and
the and on the bottom, cut deep
1:58:04
to avoid thermal detection of
ventilation system and to allow
1:58:07
people to breathe and to carry
on entrances large enough to
1:58:10
drive trucks and even tanks,
even computer systems and
1:58:14
telephone systems. It's a very
sophisticated operation. Oh, you
1:58:18
bet. This is serious business.
And there's not one of those.
1:58:22
There are many of those.
1:58:23
Adam Curry: Have we ever seen
one of these caves?
1:58:27
John C Dvorak: Yes. On a James
Bond, third movie, blow fell and
1:58:31
had one. That's where he got the
idea from.
1:58:37
Adam Curry: That's good. That's
good. I was gonna say that what
1:58:42
we're seeing some of its some of
it is obviously on mainstream
1:58:46
television. But when you look on
Twitter, when you look on
1:58:50
Telegram, when you look on the
really anywhere, on any other
1:58:55
social networks, the death and
destruction and horrible
1:59:00
pictures that we're being
exposed to, every single day and
1:59:05
the algorithms pick it up. I
mean, and I'm gonna date myself.
1:59:09
Back in the day. We had a video
called Faces of death. Yeah. And
1:59:16
it was and it was passed around.
You had a
1:59:18
John C Dvorak: you had, they
were like, version two of that
1:59:21
thing. It
1:59:21
Adam Curry: was so popular. And
you had a copy of a copy of a
1:59:24
copy of a call. It was good.
Johari and it was all it was
1:59:28
just you know, it was all fuzzy.
And you saw people dying in
1:59:32
horrific ways. And that was
like, Oh man, you got faces of
1:59:36
death and we'd have we go over
to someone's house. My parents
1:59:38
and my parents aren't home and
we would watch that and it would
1:59:42
get disturbed by it. You know,
disturbed, sad thing. And but
1:59:47
this is, this is on a non stop
basis. It has this is it is
1:59:53
severe. It's very, very, very
destructive to everybody.
1:59:58
Everybody you need to get up
Need to get off this stuff? Get
2:00:01
off
2:00:02
John C Dvorak: social media, the
even off get rid of your phone?
2:00:05
Yes.
2:00:06
Adam Curry: Yes be like JCD it
is so destructive it is bad for
2:00:11
you. And I love the stories. So
now there's some some evidence
2:00:21
that Associated Press CNN, The
New York Times and Reuters had
2:00:25
journalists embedded with Hamas
on the October 7 event. And they
2:00:32
were following them and taking
they were ready. They were
2:00:35
they're ready for this to take
place. Photographers without
2:00:40
borders. I don't
2:00:41
John C Dvorak: believe this for
a minute.
2:00:42
Adam Curry: Well, the the
mainstream itself was reporting
2:00:46
on this.
2:00:48
John C Dvorak: I would like to
see some documentation they
2:00:50
Adam Curry: have there is some
documentation. I would
2:00:53
John C Dvorak: like again, I'm
very skeptical of this report. I
2:00:55
think it's just to demean the
media, which is already in bad
2:00:58
shape.
2:00:58
Adam Curry: I'm good with it. If
2:01:00
John C Dvorak: any of this is
true, I'm good with that, but
2:01:02
should be arrested. Well,
2:01:03
Adam Curry: they have they have
pictures of known journalists of
2:01:08
them taking pictures before they
go through the gate. So now, I'm
2:01:14
not sure I'm not sure but if
it's to demean the media or I'm
2:01:19
good with that too. Well,
2:01:20
John C Dvorak: that's always
applies still. And then the
2:01:23
other thing right reason I'd
like
2:01:25
Adam Curry: to debunk the you
know, this is this isn't just
2:01:29
about this is your this is about
the canal, the Ben Gurion canal
2:01:33
project. No. Well, yeah, like
they weren't it was going right
2:01:39
through Gaza. No, look at the
map. Please look at the map.
2:01:43
It's about the pipeline. No, no,
no. It's so tiring, just tiring
2:01:52
anyway, but I've got Broadway
have I've got if we want to even
2:01:58
want to listen to Netanyahu what
2:02:00
John C Dvorak: he has to say.
No, anybody but him. Okay. Well,
2:02:04
then let's do have a kind of an
update that Hamas hostage update
2:02:08
from N T D.
2:02:09
Adam Curry: Okay. Let's listen
to that. I'm sorry. You should
2:02:13
John C Dvorak: play the NTD
intro.
2:02:15
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought you
were sick. This is in D D. A.
2:02:24
Unknown: D D a cry for help on
Capitol Hill. Families of Hamas
2:02:28
hostages tell their stories and
asked the us to do more to
2:02:31
rescue their loved ones. And
today's Molina Weiss cup has the
2:02:35
story.
2:02:36
We don't have the list of the
hostages. We don't know their
2:02:39
condition. I don't have
anything. So I need your help.
2:02:45
Oh seven my life stopped. When
my two younger brothers Darlene
2:02:50
says the man who kidnapped Hamas
2:02:52
is believed to be holding
hostage a total of around 240
2:02:56
people since their initial
attack in Gaza one month ago,
2:02:59
just four hostages have been
released in one has been
2:03:02
rescued. But the vast majority
remain with little details. No.
2:03:07
Hamas took
2:03:07
them. The youngest said, I'm too
young don't take me. There are
2:03:13
over 30 kids only 10 months old.
And again, we do not know the
2:03:19
condition of any of them.
2:03:20
The Biden administration has
called for a pause in fighting
2:03:23
to allow humanitarian aid to get
through in for civilians to get
2:03:27
out. While many support the idea
of pauses. Some Democrats are
2:03:31
critical of calls even within
their own party for a ceasefire
2:03:35
before the hostages are
released.
2:03:38
And the fact that there are
people advocating for a
2:03:41
ceasefire without discussing
that the hostages must be
2:03:45
returned, makes no sense and
runs completely counter to our
2:03:51
American values.
2:03:52
Israel's Prime Minister is
opposing a ceasefire until all
2:03:56
the hostages are released.
2:03:57
Adam Curry: Yeah, they're trying
to get a script together.
2:03:59
They're trying to get a hostage
situation we love a good hostage
2:04:02
situation story. We love that
and then when you because it
2:04:06
always has a great payoff on the
hostages are released. Screw
2:04:09
these people screw the whole
media and all of this. All of
2:04:13
it's so disgusting. Let's look
at Iran because that's the only
2:04:15
thing that matters. We
2:04:16
Unknown: begin tonight with
breaking news. I was just
2:04:19
learning from the Pentagon about
airstrikes in eastern Syria and
2:04:23
the target a weapons storage
facility linked to Iran and
2:04:27
Iranian troops. Secretary of
Defense revealing that the US
2:04:31
military is responding to more
than 40 attacks on US forces in
2:04:36
Iraq and Syria. These attacks
have left dozens of our soldiers
2:04:40
and troops with traumatic brain
injuries. Let's get straight to
2:04:43
the breaking news with CBS at
the White House. Good evening.
2:04:47
Good evening. We just come on
learning break. What do you
2:04:49
learn anything
2:04:49
to you, Nora tonight at the
direction of President Biden to
2:04:53
f 15 fighter jets launched
airstrikes in eastern Syria at
2:04:57
that weapons facility that is
used by Iran Revolutionary Guard
2:05:01
and proxy forces that are backed
by Iran. They were in response
2:05:05
to attacks by those groups on US
troops in both Syria and Iraq
2:05:09
over 40 In the last three weeks
alone that have injured nearly
2:05:13
50 American servicemembers, and
just today, US troops were
2:05:17
attacked again in Syria, and in
another sign of the increased
2:05:21
tensions in the region and
American region costing about
2:05:25
$30 million was shot down in the
Red Sea by the Iranian backed
2:05:29
Houthi rebels. They had fired
missiles last month toward
2:05:32
Israel, which were shot down by
a US naval ship. President Biden
2:05:36
has repeatedly warned Iran a
longtime adversary of Israel
2:05:40
against getting involved in the
war in the Middle East. Nora,
2:05:44
and they are sending a message
tonight no doubt, yes,
2:05:47
Adam Curry: a message tonight
we're all jacked because that
2:05:50
message that's what the CIA does
they start
2:05:53
John C Dvorak: still skeptical
about these who themers things
2:05:56
of course, they got their own
problems they should teach
2:05:59
sending random missiles across
our fleets which are going to
2:06:03
shoot them down as they put it,
CBS CIA
2:06:06
Adam Curry: broadcasting
systems, all they want is to get
2:06:08
Iran a war with Iran going.
That's the next I don't think
2:06:12
it's working. Actually, I'm
2:06:14
John C Dvorak: not I mean, the
time's running out. Yeah, listen
2:06:16
to this one
2:06:17
Unknown: Secretary of State
Antony Blinken, shuttle
2:06:19
diplomacy in the Middle East
isn't the Biden administration's
2:06:22
only attempt at avoiding a wider
war, we learned that a second
2:06:26
aircraft carrier the USS
Eisenhower just arrived in the
2:06:29
Red Sea over the weekend, it is
headed to the Persian Gulf. That
2:06:33
is a clear message of deterrence
and it is directed at Iran. And
2:06:36
then just yesterday, the
Pentagon revealing that a new US
2:06:39
nuclear submarine crossed
through the Suez Canal. The fact
2:06:42
that we can see these pictures
is very rare, but it is
2:06:45
deliberate a message these
vessels operating even called
2:06:49
the silent service, this
submarine can carry 154 Tomahawk
2:06:54
cruise missiles. That is a major
threat to any adversary. Yeah,
2:06:58
Adam Curry: no, that makes
sense. Good. Good idea. Let's do
2:07:02
that. Let's send something
dangerous another aircraft
2:07:04
carrier. Let's go Let's go. This
is great. This is fantastic that
2:07:08
John C Dvorak: I thought
Eisenhower's position there
2:07:10
already I don't know that this
is new.
2:07:12
Adam Curry: Doesn't matter if
these people than media, the
2:07:15
military industrial complex of
99% of all of our political
2:07:20
representatives, not leaders
representatives are all war
2:07:24
mongers. The cheerleader in
three seals
2:07:28
John C Dvorak: meanwhile, of
course they don't mention this.
2:07:31
This I don't know how old that
report is because Blink is not
2:07:33
there anymore. He's on the move.
2:07:35
Adam Curry: He's on the move.
Hold on a second. Where's he?
2:07:37
Where's he off to
2:07:38
Unknown: Foley crisis visit to
the Middle East Secretary of
2:07:41
State Antony Blinken is now
shifting the focus of his
2:07:44
intense diplomacy efforts from
the Middle East now to the Indo
2:07:47
Pacific for yesterday and
today's meeting with
2:07:50
counterparts from the g7
democracies in Japan. We're in
2:07:54
addition to the ongoing wars in
the Middle East and of course in
2:07:57
Ukraine, topics such as China's
economic origin towards Asian
2:08:01
countries are also at the top of
their agenda. Here's what
2:08:05
Secretary Blinken told his
Japanese counterparts and during
2:08:08
a meeting today watch
2:08:10
during support for Ukraine, the
work that we're doing together
2:08:14
to combat economic coercion,
trilateral cooperation with the
2:08:19
Republic of Korea, all of these
are vital.
2:08:22
Lincoln's also visiting South
Korea on both Wednesday and
2:08:25
Thursday and today I asked the
State Department during its
2:08:28
briefing about China's economic
coercion specifically towards
2:08:31
South Korea, in which ongoing
efforts are being done by the
2:08:35
Chinese Embassy in South Korea
to try to block an American
2:08:38
performing arts company Shen Yun
from performing and South Korea.
2:08:42
The classical Chinese dance
show, which is widely popular
2:08:45
around the world is banned in
China due to his portrayal of
2:08:49
some human rights persecutions
in mainland China. And the State
2:08:52
Department told me that they
continue to be concerned about
2:08:55
such practices by Beijing to use
this economic leverage to try to
2:08:59
pressure our democratic allies.
2:09:01
Adam Curry: Stupidity.
2:09:03
John C Dvorak: This brings me to
the question Why did you just
2:09:05
come to San Francisco next week?
2:09:07
Adam Curry: Yeah, just hang out
with him here.
2:09:10
John C Dvorak: And when he went
to China, gee wouldn't meet with
2:09:13
him.
2:09:13
Adam Curry: It's almost as
stupid as Buttigieg going to
2:09:16
meet with Zelensky. What's that
about?
2:09:20
John C Dvorak: That's pretty
stupid. Let's listen to part two
2:09:22
of this new we can talk about
how stupid budaj edge is.
2:09:25
Unknown: Meanwhile, President
Biden is set to meet with
2:09:27
China's shooting ping next week
during the APEC summit in San
2:09:31
Francisco, of course remains to
be seen how issues such as human
2:09:34
rights abuses by China as well
as China's increasingly
2:09:37
aggressive actions toward other
countries, including espionage
2:09:41
activities here in the US will
be discussed.
2:09:46
Adam Curry: Okay, I need to talk
about something else because
2:09:49
this this is just I think
everyone's tired of it. No, no,
2:09:56
they're not tired of it because
everyone's ALL Whoa, I'm old.
2:09:59
I'm all jacked. But you're
2:10:02
John C Dvorak: right. Yes. Let
people hate us for this show
2:10:05
that probably. Yeah, exactly.
2:10:08
Adam Curry: Well, then let me
discuss something else because
2:10:11
the very people in universities,
which Alan Dershowitz doesn't
2:10:17
understand, who are now
protesting Israel for the waving
2:10:23
Palestinian flags, they must
have forgotten about black lives
2:10:27
matter. I thought Black Lives
mattered. Doesn't matter
2:10:32
anymore. Certainly not the black
lives in Chicago.
2:10:39
Unknown: This was a meeting of
the city council rules
2:10:41
committee, which was about to
take up debate over a proposal
2:10:44
to let Chicagoans decide whether
Chicago should remain a
2:10:47
sanctuary city welcoming to
migrants by putting that
2:10:50
question onto a referendum on
next spring's election ballot.
2:10:54
But the meeting devolved into
chaos after hundreds of
2:10:57
protesters, mostly African
Americans packed the City
2:11:00
Council gallery and began
shouting down the aldermen.
2:11:03
They're angry after a special
city council meeting on the
2:11:06
migrant question was canceled
last week when Mayor Brandon
2:11:09
Johnson's floor leader Alderman
Carlos Ramirez Rosa tried to
2:11:12
prevent a quorum by discouraging
aldermen from entering the
2:11:15
chamber including a
confrontation with longtime
2:11:18
Alderwoman Emma Mitch, all after
about a half hour Today's
2:11:22
meeting was suspended and the
crowd cleared, but not before
2:11:26
some aldermen blame the mayor
and Sanctuary City Supporters of
2:11:29
causing the chaos spike trying
to block the referendum. Do you
2:11:34
as a resident city Chicago
believe that we should remain a
2:11:37
sanctuary city? It's a simple
question.
2:11:45
That's why you've seen the chaos
in this city. Because you're
2:11:48
trying to silence a voice of
certain people that just want to
2:11:53
be heard. Debate
2:11:54
on the sanctuary city referendum
will continue on Thursday when
2:11:57
the Rules Committee continues
the meeting that was suspended
2:12:00
today. No word yet on whether
any special rules or security
2:12:04
will be in place for that
meeting, though after the
2:12:06
gallery was clear today. The
regular city council meeting was
2:12:09
held as scheduled and was
peaceful.
2:12:13
Adam Curry: Yeah, so all the
migrants being dropped off in
2:12:16
predominantly black
neighborhoods in Chicago. Yeah.
2:12:20
That's beautiful thing,
2:12:22
John C Dvorak: by the way, says
trying to silence certain people
2:12:24
when they say trying to Silent
blacks of Chicago. Yeah,
2:12:27
Adam Curry: why would they do
that? Makes no sense. Can't be
2:12:30
doing that. This is a great time
actually. When when the news
2:12:34
media is just all about Israel
and Hamas, Hamas, Israel, that's
2:12:39
all that they can talk about.
It's a great time to have all
2:12:43
kinds of other stuff happen.
Like this little ditty
2:12:46
Unknown: federal investigators
say they busted a network of
2:12:48
brothels in Massachusetts and
Virginia that catered to well
2:12:52
connected clients, including
elected officials and military
2:12:56
officers have already saved
potentially hundreds of people
2:12:59
including doctors, lawyers and
pharmaceutical executives paid
2:13:03
up to $600 an hour in cash for
sex primarily with Asian three
2:13:09
people accused of operating the
ring are in custody primarily
2:13:13
John C Dvorak: with women.
Gotcha. Sick 600 merrily but not
2:13:19
exclusively with women these
pharma exec GN know what I'm
2:13:22
saying.
2:13:24
Adam Curry: And politicians. Of
course, politicians are
2:13:28
John C Dvorak: notorious for
pouring around as that's nothing
2:13:31
new.
2:13:32
Adam Curry: That's that's how
they get blackmailed and
2:13:35
captured. And then this helped
me remember when JP Morgan Chase
2:13:41
got me up. They they, they
basically paid off I think was
2:13:45
200 victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
So, so they had been, I don't
2:13:54
remember that. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yes. So that Jamie diamond
2:14:00
didn't have to go testify.
2:14:02
John C Dvorak: Jamie diamond
came out of it. Yeah,
2:14:04
Adam Curry: they made they made
a deal. They also they spent a
2:14:07
billion a billion dollars on
lawyers wilmerhale. And so
2:14:14
Wilma, I think it will let me
say it was it must have been
2:14:17
over 200 victims, because they
want to, you know, set up a
2:14:22
class action suit against Jamie
diamond and of course, Chase
2:14:27
Bank JP Morgan Chase. Now 17
attorney generals have said, you
2:14:34
know, it doesn't matter that you
bought them off. We can we can
2:14:37
still take you to court over
this. And it looks like this
2:14:42
gonna happen. They're not
getting out of this. Yeah. Yeah.
2:14:46
Well, we'll
2:14:47
Unknown: see. We'll see.
2:14:49
Adam Curry: We'll see. Okay,
good point. And then we have in
2:14:54
total eight, four of which in
the last 24 hours, Los Angeles
2:14:59
show Arizona Sheriff employees
have killed themselves.
2:15:04
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is
this is a weird story.
2:15:08
Adam Curry: For Los Angeles
Sheriff's employees die by
2:15:11
suicide within 24 hours, another
four Sheriff's Department
2:15:15
employees have died by suicide
this year. This is weird. See,
2:15:22
they're they're either being
murdered, murdered is what I'm
2:15:25
thinking, which is what
2:15:26
John C Dvorak: I would think.
Yeah. Because the suicide mean,
2:15:31
you know, I, maybe they did
something that they're worried
2:15:34
about and is a part of a scheme
and they don't want to go to
2:15:38
court and end up in jail where
they get brutalized. I mean,
2:15:41
that's, you know, but usually
you'd give it a college try.
2:15:47
Seems to me, I don't know
something's missing with this
2:15:51
story is is unusual.
2:15:52
Adam Curry: Most most. I know
cops that have left. They've
2:15:55
just left law enforcement. Yeah,
but
2:15:57
John C Dvorak: that's a
different dose because it's not
2:15:59
rewarding to them anymore, not
because they didn't shoot
2:16:01
themselves since
2:16:03
Adam Curry: this is. Since the
pandemic many and law
2:16:05
enforcement say police
departments have been suffering
2:16:07
from flagging morale. Thanks to
a wave of anti police sentiment
2:16:11
that peak
2:16:12
John C Dvorak: with the killed
police lives matter. You can
2:16:14
take them with as many
2:16:15
Adam Curry: police departments
have seen a mass exodus of
2:16:18
officers over the last several
years along with difficulty
2:16:20
hiring new officers, but that
doesn't mean that they're
2:16:22
killing themselves. Yeah, no.
Now it's like no. So and it's
2:16:28
Los Angeles. So which is just
questionable. It's questionable.
2:16:33
I
2:16:33
John C Dvorak: don't know. LA is
like they don't like nexus of