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John C Dvorak: How Israeli is
he?
Unknown: Adam curry, John C.
Devora.
Adam Curry: June 16 2024. This
is your award winning
combination media assassination
episode 1669. This
Unknown: is no agenda.
Celebrating
Adam Curry: dad's and
broadcasting live from 11 feet
below sea level from Schiphol
Airport in the Netherlands in
the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we all want
to get rid of the term on sweet.
I'm Jessie
Unknown: Buzzkill.
Adam Curry: I love it. There's
at least a two second delay.
It's great. The opening was not
as tight as you think it was.
Unknown: Okay. We'll move on
leg.
Adam Curry: Oh, is that what it
is? Like? Yes. Well, here I am.
John. 11 feet below sea level at
at the airport. And you feel the
pressure? No, no. And honestly,
it was supposed to rain this
entire week. Today is an
absolutely gorgeous day.
Surprise warming. Surprisingly,
yes, surprise. It's
John C Dvorak: funny. They can't
predicted weather very
accurately, but yet.
Adam Curry: I know. I know. We
had we had the big meetup here.
Yesterday.
Unknown: How they go, dude.
Adam Curry: Dude, dude, it was
this is one of the best meetups
I've ever been to. It was. It
John C Dvorak: was embarrassing.
The Carnival that they set up
for you in Texas?
Adam Curry: It was up there. I
mean, they're all up there. You
know, obviously Indianapolis is
good. The the Bastrop meet up
was good. There was 115
producers and they had to chop
it off at 115 because the fire
marshal said we couldn't have
more people than 115 and it was
it was good. I mean, we had no
agenda. Producers come in early
Valtor. And Ruth they they they
organized everything at this
place called Cafe Dolch merch
which is really a like a podcast
studio but then with a whole
like a whole bar and meeting
place connected to it. And and
they they brought food or
different kinds of curries that
was pulled pork. I don't know if
you saw it. I think it might
have sent you a link below
there. No, no, no, we
John C Dvorak: don't know. When
I was in headlights. I was gonna
be different curries. You said
Oh,
Adam Curry: boy. Did you see the
video I took of the amygdala PCR
machine, one of the producers
put together? No, oh, you've got
to see that. So it's it looks
like he posted. I think on
Twitter, probably. You can look
it up real quick. I tell you
this, it kind of looks like a
little mini kiosk it was
completely built with a screen
and a receipt printer and a hole
on the front. And it says you
know, put your finger in the
hole and then had this it had
multiple versions of it. But the
screen went by analyzing your
amygdala spinning up PCR cycles,
sending off your vaccine status
and this whole thing and then at
the end, says pull your finger
out. And then it prints out a
little receipt that was your
amygdala passport. And the whole
thing was fantastic. It was just
one of those creative things
that they do over here.
Unknown: You haven't looked at
Oh, have you? Like look, I
John C Dvorak: don't have a
Twitter account on this podcast
on computer. I keep it isolated.
You
Adam Curry: need to have a
Twitter account on your show on
your show rig dude. Dude, you're
right, dude. They had the roll
up JCD poster. They had a whole
sound system and Frank aka Mike
I think he was the he was
spinning tunes everyone's dance
and we had the no agenda jingle
bingo, which I had never
witnessed before. But the
handout cards with all the
different indoor jingles that
I've forgotten, completely
forgotten. And you know, that
prizes, which included stuff
like boxes of mac and cheese and
screaming goats and it was very
thoughtful. And I would say the
main thing and you know, I'll be
thanking some people later
because everyone heard what you
said. When they gave a donation
they put it in an envelope with
a note came up personally, I
think I'm pretty sure I met
everybody spoke with everybody.
I was there from, I don't know
four until 11. It was it was a
long, long day, especially since
I've just flown in from Texas.
But the camaraderie of these
people here we have no idea how
bad it was here during the COVID
lockdowns. Remember, they had
curfews and all kinds of weird
stuff. You couldn't go anywhere
without a QR code that showed
you at it. You know, you're
vaccinated. And this is a tight
group. It's so Almost, it's kind
of like they went through some
traumatic World War event
together. You laugh, but it's,
in a way, it's sad. It's like it
must have been really, really
bad. And of course, they had a
raffle and we'll be thanking
that executive producer later
on. And I would say that too.
There's a lot of people I met
Taunton nail, Walter, I'll talk
about later, who I guess had met
32 years ago for the first time
when she was 13. At some, some
showbiz event I was doing but
the cool guys who had who had
not met before was code monkey
Tim, who did our wet who does
our website and also did the No,
no agenda dot stream and
OYSTEIN. Bear her, you know him
from, from the from the donation
segment.
John C Dvorak: I know him from
pronouncing his name wrong. Nine
out of 10 times.
Adam Curry: So Matt, imagine
like a Viking who is nine feet
tall, has the whole beard and
you know, like the red beard and
the mustache and everything. And
he's but He's thin. He's he's
really thin. And he's kind of
he's an alien. His dancing was
more like Body Slam kind of mosh
pits. He's a funny guy. Anyway,
I'll talk about some of the
other producers who were there.
Because a lot of people donated
and it was really he was a great
time. Thank you. Thank you to
the very tight, no agenda
community here in the
Netherlands. People came from
from north from south. Some even
came from other countries, just
to be here. It was great. It was
groovy. So I really haven't left
the airport. I do have a quick
tab, a travel report if you're
interested.
John C Dvorak: I think we've all
everybody's interested in a
travel report if it's
interesting. Well, it's
Adam Curry: It's short. It's
it's more because of the just
how smooth it was. I was a bit
concerned I was flying on United
Airlines. It was the cheapest
for me to get from San Antonio
to Amsterdam for some reason,
the price if you want to go from
if you want to direct flight,
you have to go from Austin. It's
three times as expensive and
only on delta or KLM. It's like,
okay, and I looked at San
Antonio. So I flew from San
Antonio to Houston. And from
Houston to Amsterdam. This is
the airline that has a CEO is
the dude in the dress. It was on
a Boeing Boeing triple seven. So
you know, I don't know what's
you know, there's only two
engines. Who knows what's gonna
happen. I have to say,
everything was fantastic. The
connection was smooth. It was I
had to walk about 15 minutes
when I got to Houston almost
walked right straight into
boarding the cabin personnel
were cheery and happy and
bright. Just excited to see me.
John C Dvorak: It was a day did
they dance? One of
Adam Curry: the guys could have
I think but he didn't. It was,
you know, I really expected it
to be bad just based on our own
reporting like, what was going
on with this airline? It was
great. It really was good.
John C Dvorak: Well, that's good
to know. Yeah. Because United is
the main carrier out of San
Francisco. Yeah. And of course
you hit the report over the
weekend. Was that the it looks
like the Chinese have been
selling a fake titanium. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I have a clip. I
don't know if you have
John C Dvorak: one please. Yes
play a second.
Adam Curry: Here we go. Yes, I
got that one. Even more
Unknown: turbulence for Boeing.
The commercial airline maker
along with Airbus are staring
down allegations that they may
have used counterfeit titanium
and their aircraft. That's
according to evidence from a
supplier that has now triggered
a Federal Aviation
Administration investigation.
Spirit aero system alleges that
the two aviation giants use
titanium in their planes that
came with paperwork that may
have been falsified. Today's
news adds to the growing trouble
for Boeing, which has been the
subject of ongoing federal
investigations for many safety
problems.
John C Dvorak: You go, they left
out the main part of the story.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad
you're here to tell us that fake
John C Dvorak: titanium came
from China, of course. And
they're the ones who folded up
the paperwork. Heaven forbid
we'd mentioned that. And
titanium we used to always get
in for aircraft generally
speaking was from Russia, which
we've boycotted we can't take
their stuff anymore. So let's
take the fake stuff from China
seems to be more the story to
me. Yeah,
Adam Curry: no, that's not what
I that's all I had was that part
of the story. They did not
mention that and that was it
sounded like NBC, or ABC. The
news over here is pretty much
really only two things.
foosball, sports ball because
the UEFA Cup is on and
everyone's I don't have anyone
that yours listening to the show
because Holland was playing
earlier and thinks Slovenia is
playing and oh boy,
John C Dvorak: oh, I don't want
to miss that Oh, football.
Adam Curry: And then the g7 a
lot of reporting on the g7. The
hotel seems to have 8000
channels of news now, which is
kind of different. You get
France 24 and five languages
including Well, French,
obviously. But they also seem to
do a German version, which I'd
never seen before. France 24
German version, something's
going on an invasion. And the
news was, except for one report
was all pretty much the same.
This is the BBC
Unknown: at the g7 summit in
Italy, the official agenda was
dominated by migration and
China's trade policies. But
there's been much talk about a
speech by President Putin that
he called an immediate ceasefire
in Ukraine if certain conditions
were met. They were that Ukraine
will give up four regions in the
East partially occupied by
Russia now and abandon ambitions
to join NATO. Western leaders
dismissed the offer as a demand
for Ukraine to capitulate with
key of calling the proposals
offensive to common sense. So
Adam Curry: that's pretty much
what that's yes.
John C Dvorak: We got that story
today. It was Jake Sullivan came
out so this is nuts. Who would
agree to such a crazy thing.
Let's kill more Ukrainians.
Adam Curry: It's so weird
because most of the reports I
have us stateside, they talk
about so Lenski and 10 year deal
and money. And they just say you
know Russia wasn't invited today
Unknown: here in Italy. The
President also meeting with g7
leaders trying to send a strong
message to Russia's President
Putin signing a 10 year security
agreement committing the US to
help train and equip Ukraine's
military. And we have signed
this strongest agreement within
us since our independence, the
g7 leaders today also agreeing
to use interest from Russian
assets to lend Ukraine $50
billion as the US expands
sanctions against banks in
countries such as China that do
business with Russia, the
sanctions have so far done
little to stop Putin,
he cannot divide us. And we will
be with Ukraine until they
prevail in this war.
President Solinsky Chinese
President Xi told him by phone
that he wouldn't sell weapons to
Russia, though President Biden
is skeptical.
China is not supplying weapons,
but the ability to produce those
weapons and the technology
available to do it.
Adam Curry: So that was that was
kind of the news over here was
the although it's not really in
the report. It was kind of like
well, you know, if Russia I
mean, China, if you still want
to play with the big boys, you
know, you don't want to get
sanctioned or anything like we
did. Vladimir,
Unknown: the g7 briefly became
the group of 25 Oh, Italy
invited 18 heads of state and
international organizations to
join the bloc on day two of the
Leaders Summit.
We will never accept the
narrative that wants the West
against the rest.
Turkey's president Reggie of
Thai Buddha one was among the
gathering, joining a lengthy
three and a half hour long
session on artificial
intelligence, energy and Africa
Mediterranean issues. On the
sidelines, he held bilateral
talks with the leaders of the
United Arab Emirates and Brazil.
For the first time a pontiff
addressed a g7 summit, Pope
Francis was invited as a special
guest speaker discussing the
ethical challenges of artificial
intelligence.
We will condemn humanity to a
hopeless future if we took away
people's ability to make
decisions about themselves and
their lives by condemning them
to depend on the choices of
machines. g7
leaders also discussed irregular
migration and how to tackle its
root causes.
illegal migration is now a
global emergency. More people
are moving across borders than
at any time in our history. We
cannot stand by and watch this
human tragedy unfold.
After a packed two days
schedule. The Summit has wrapped
up with the adoption of the
leaders joint communique. It
contained some strong language
directed at China with g7
leaders vowing to tackle what
they called China's unfair
business practices. I thought
Adam Curry: that was a little
more interesting than just
Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine Russia
the Pope was there Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I have a three by
three Oh, hold on.
Adam Curry: We had some
technical problems so I'm not as
on the ball as I should be.
Well, do you uh Do you know John
Unknown: experiment by JC do it
oh no after the bearings Don't
worry from ABC
Adam Curry: three All right
everybody let's get it's been a
while it's been a hot minutes
and we'll see how to three by
three.
John C Dvorak: Well let's start
with Selena wind is all about
Pope Wang on NBC ABC
Unknown: tonight President Biden
wrapping up the g7 summit with
world leaders sharing a tender
moment with Pope Francis in
Italy. leader meeting one on one
with the pontiff gifting him a
decorative tray with an image of
the capitol rotunda
at the Vatican. But
two leaders discussing the
urgent need for a ceasefire in
Gaza and the war in Ukraine
party with a handshake Pope
Francis telling the President
Francis the First pontiff ever
to address the g7 delivering a
warning about artificial
intelligence, urging the leaders
to put more guardrails in place
guardrails, saying, quote, we
would condemn humanity to a
future without hope, by dooming
them to depend on the choices of
machines. An earlier a later
moment at the Vatican, Pope
Francis meeting with comedians
like Chris Rock, Stephen
Colbert, and Whoopi Goldberg
saying, in the midst of so much
gloomy news, you have the power
to spread serenity and smiles.
And wit, the g7 leaders here are
backing the ceasefire deal that
President Biden had laid out.
They say that the number of
civilian casualties in Gaza is
unacceptable. And they're urging
Israel not to launch a full
scale invasion into Rafah.
Adam Curry: So who put together
the guest list for the
comedian's?
John C Dvorak: You're asking the
wrong guy Whoopi Goldberg,
Adam Curry: Jimmy Kimmel. I
mean, Chris Rock, Okay, how
about to ask any but like real
comedians? How about Dave Dave
Smith comedian Dave Smith. They
should have put him on the list
and Joe Rogan could put them on
the list and No, no,
John C Dvorak: there's Rory
wrong party wrong party okay.
Even though Rogen is a Democrat,
I'm sure but he has not he
hasn't followed a party line to
stream but oops oh
Adam Curry: he's no good.
Goldberg when's the last time
she did stand up?
John C Dvorak: She hasn't done
stand up for 40 years Yeah,
exactly. I saw actually saw her
do stand up ruling when she was
still doing stand up and she
wasn't that good.
Adam Curry: You see all right.
John C Dvorak: She did the kind
of stand up it was a I've seen
this before where you kind of
make up something and then riff
on it on something you made up
like say for example, Hey, you
know when you get on an airline
and and it's funny that all the
seats are plaid. It's just the
weirdest thing. Every seats
plaid, what are these guys? Are
they a bunch of loggers?
Adam Curry: That's 1980s Like
Paul Provenza level comedy.
John C Dvorak: It's like, well,
first of all, there's no plaid
seats that I remember. And then
to riff on something that
doesn't exist, which is what she
her bid was, oh, and she did it
with all kinds of observational
humor, which was not
observational at all was made.
It
Adam Curry: was lies. There are
lies
John C Dvorak: classic. Onward
with NBC.
Unknown: Tonight President Biden
wrapping up the g7 summit in
Italy after a private meeting
with Pope Francis. The
President, a devout Catholic
greeted the pontiff along with
other g7 leaders, the pope
urging them to establish
guardrails for AI guardrails,
FTP, totally artificial
intelligence. It's a fascinating
tool and also a terrifying one.
He says the pope using his
pulpit in non traditional ways
hosting a gathering of more than
100 comedians and actors at the
Vatican, including Balan Whoopi
Goldberg and Chris Rock among
others, telling them in the
midst of so much gloomy news,
you have the power to spread
peace and smile. Oh
Adam Curry: no, we're lost. I'm
gonna count on those guys to
sense peace and smiles.
John C Dvorak: Whoo. If they
said there's 100 actors and
comedians, why did they name the
exact same three words clearly
be seen named?
Adam Curry: Where's Clooney?
Clooney should have been there.
If there were actors with JLo
Where's Beyonce? I'm not used to
this
John C Dvorak: meeting questions
that I can't answer um, I'm just
either way Did you see the video
of Biden going up to the Pope
and then banging his head
against him
Adam Curry: the pope have to
adjust his cap.
John C Dvorak: With that little
little focus in a wheelchair
something
Adam Curry: on the top of his
head that
John C Dvorak: little vein goes
yeah, this a pope hat. It's
definitely he banged him in the
forehead and he didn't he kept
his head against his his start
chatting with him now and was
very bizarre was on Tik Tok. The
news media wouldn't cover
anything like that. To get good
at tick tock
Adam Curry: here on infinite
loop was the D Day video of
Biden wandering off when those
parachuters Hannah the thing
that disappointed me and she
kind of showed me her color is
what was Georgia Maloney doing
going and saving him? Oh, no,
no,
John C Dvorak: he likes it. am
I've seen this before Maloney.
There's also another video going
around with Maloney giving the
evil eye the sting, to Murcia
McCrone I saw that one, but But
when she runs into Binus, like
your granddad or something,
she's She seems very protective.
Adam Curry: Oh, and then
everyone immediately everyone's
in on it. So she she turns him
around. Oh, Mr. President, look
over here. And everyone then
immediately shuffles over to
stand behind Biden. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, we're looking from
this vantage point. That's
right, Mr. President. It was it
was pathetic.
John C Dvorak: It was pretty
bad. Yeah. And where was our
final clip was just CBS and
Nancy Cordis
Unknown: meeting of the minds at
the g7 summit, where Pope
Francis, who arrived by
helicopter this morning shared
his concerns about artificial
intelligence, he didn't get a
chance to challenge the pontiff
urged the world leaders gathered
here to establish stronger
global guardrails for the
development of AI and to ban so
called killer robots altogether,
the autonomous weapons systems
can choose their targets using
sensors with no human guidance
at all. We'll be showing you the
data. We need to ensure proper
human control over the choices
made by AI programs. He warned.
Human Dignity itself depends on
it. The Pope was an early
advocate for Ethics in AI and AI
generated deep fake of him and a
white puffer coat went viral
last year. But that's just one
example of what experts say are
the potentially troubling
implications. Oh, democracy. Oh,
Adam Curry: the pope in a puffer
coat is troubling for democracy.
Biden issued
Unknown: an executive order last
year requiring domestic AI
developers to share their safety
test results with the US
government. The Pope's stress
today that human emotions can
never truly be replicated by a
computer and as if to prove that
point. He posted this photo from
his meeting yesterday with more
than 100 comics, and comedians.
There you see Stephen Colbert,
Chris Rock, Jimmy Fallon, he
told them that they unite people
because laughter is contagious.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: he should have said
it is connection is protection.
That would have been funny, but
no, I don't want to wander too
far from from the other topics.
We just want to switch back to
the g7 Ukraine for a moment.
John C Dvorak: I want to before
we do that, I want to comment on
that clip. Sure. What kind of
safety tests need to be shared?
And what is the safety test when
it comes to AI?
Adam Curry: Well, the safety
test I'm asking you I'm gonna
tell you the safety test is that
people aren't confused when you
use the new what's the what's
the new version of the image
software that came out when you
say woman laying down the chose
these contorted three three
armed ladies upside down all
squashed together? Have you seen
this? Yeah, it's what's the not
Dali but what's the other?
What's the other big image?
Journeys one? Oh, it's one troll
room helped me out. It's like
all everyone's talking about
it's it's it's the whole thing
is a mess.
John C Dvorak: It was talking
about Star Wars.
Adam Curry: Everybody
everybody's talking about if
there's a will there's entire
Reddit of people. People posting
these images. This whole thing
just doesn't work. And it's like
version. Yeah. But what's.
John C Dvorak: How is that
unsafe?
Adam Curry: That's what I mean.
There's nothing unsafe. It just
doesn't work. So oh, it's
unsafe. It's in the lab. The
stuff in the lab is what's
unsafe? Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's
not Mira Marathi. Since you took
us there. The Chief Technology
Officer of open AI. What do you
think the quote? What are the
qualifications of someone who
was a chief technology officer?
What are the things you kind of
need to know? Do
John C Dvorak: you have to have
owned an apple to pay as you go?
So
Adam Curry: here's her whole
career. She won a scholarship
and attended Pearson, United
World College of the Pacific and
Canada. Graduated 2005. Then she
pursued a dual degree in the
United States, bachelor of arts
and mathematics from Colby. And
then she went
John C Dvorak: James Colby, the
CIA guy. No.
Adam Curry: And then she has her
first job was, I think it was
Tesla. So she was in Tesla. And
then she goes to open AI. So
like, I don't know if she's a
coder, might be by buses. I'm
John C Dvorak: like it.
Adam Curry: So here's what she
said recently about the immune
all the dangerous stuff that
they have in the lab
Unknown: inside the labs. We
have this capable models and
have, you know they're not that
far ahead from what the public
has access to, for free? Well
Adam Curry: hold on a second. If
it's if it's not that far ahead,
and how can it be so much more
dangerous? I haven't seen
anything frightening from what's
free.
Unknown: And that's a completely
different trajectory for
bringing technology into the
world that
we're in. Sure.
John C Dvorak: What's his
accent? She's got a Canadian.
Adam Curry: He's Albanian. Now,
okay.
Unknown: Oh, Albania, Albania.
And yes, we've
seen historically. And it's a
great opportunity because it
brings people along it gives
them intuitive sense for the
capabilities and risks, and
allows people to prepare for the
advent of this world, bringing
advanced AI into the world.
Adam Curry: I think I think
she's actually reading from chit
chat GBT.
Unknown: And obviously the
opportunity. So
John C Dvorak: she's saying
nothing. What is she saying is
opportunity and risk and blah,
blah, blah, you're actually
using words out,
Adam Curry: you're using Tina's
favorite word, word salad.
Exactly. It's all word salad,
which is they probably train the
model based on her.
Unknown: And obviously, the
opportunities are huge. Now it's
normal, that which you are, we
talk a lot about the risks,
because they're so important.
But also, we wouldn't do this if
we didn't believe that the
opportunities here are huge,
Adam Curry: blah, blah, blah.
There's nothing huge. She said
that. That's what you do as a as
Chief Technology Officer, you
use blah. Alright, so now,
John C Dvorak: so she's the CTO.
Was CTO is generally speaking
are people that can code. Yeah.
Or at least know something other
than word salads. Yeah.
Adam Curry: No cheese that
John C Dvorak: does something
fishy
Adam Curry: about this one? No,
the whole, the whole operation
is fishy. The whole all you have
to sign this, this NDA forever.
And you can never ever talk
about how lame it is. That's all
it is. Oh, we'll give you all
this money. Just don't tell
anybody the truth. It doesn't
work. I mean, it works for
coding. Every whenever I say
doesn't work I give you. I use
GitHub co pilot it rocks. Okay.
Sure.
John C Dvorak: I'm sure Adam
crappies adam@curry.com. That's
the address. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I mean, it does. I'm
sure it works great for him.
They
John C Dvorak: basically,
actually, you're talking to the
real coders, and we've gotten
notes and you know it now, you
know, we both know it. It
doesn't work, right. It just
works. It works. It works. Yeah.
It's useful. Yeah. You don't
need to fill in the gaps to put
your crap code out for you to
actually run the program. Now,
Adam Curry: here's what's
interesting, Martin. He's from
Denmark, and he's in the
podcasting 2.0 group. And he he
used to be a full time coder at
his day job. And now he's
management, probably middle
manager, but he's management.
And he says, It's really
amazing. Because when I get
RFPs, which is usually a PDF, I
just run it into Chad GPT. And
it fills in the RFP, and then he
can adjust things later. And he
says, It's really weird, because
he's pretty sure the RFPs are
also generated by a chat GPT
type AI. So we really have
Unknown: to use a computer. Yes.
Adam Curry: Yes. Which I think
really, ultimately, the savings,
we're going to find out the
savings is you can get rid of
all middle management. Just
don't need any of that. That may
be where the savings is. And
that may be why people are
afraid. Because if there's
anything, certainly in corporate
life, but also academia, middle
management is fat. We can clean
up a lot of that.
John C Dvorak: I just thought
oh, that's it. That's actually
that is worth the price of the
show.
Adam Curry: All right. Good
night, everybody.
Unknown: Thanks for coming
along.
Adam Curry: See you later. Back
to Russia Ukraine. So I did read
a transcript and I actually
tried to pull a clip of Putin
explaining his peace deal which
is pretty much hey let's let's
stop fighting and we'll keep
we'll keep the port and we'll
keep keep Odessa you know with
the Odessa people they want it
to be with us we did a vote. But
we want this Don Bosco show
Crimea that Crimea. I'm sorry.
We want we want the Donbass
region is an essence what'd he
say? And why? Well, we have a
boots on the ground boots on the
ground comes to us from sparkles
of chaos, who says I did some
research and sent a couple of I
don't know if it's a he or she
sent some pages that I have read
on Ukraine mining geology in the
war zones. I used to work as a
geoscientist. So I put on my
Pebble pin Pat and and took a
look. Do we have the best
producers in the world or what?
This is this is part of why they
no agenda shows is the best
podcast in the universe. In the
industry for projects the first
place I would look for any
international domestic related
papers on job geology would be
the SPE Society of Petroleum
Engineers, USGS or state
Geological Survey international
use the SP great resource to
find papers and information. And
below is an executive summary
from the last document I found
from the 2023 report made for
investment opportunities in
exploration and production made
by the Ukraine Geological
Society, what are the chances is
the executive summary to begin
the document list out the
critical raw materials such as
lithium titanium, zirconium,
nickel, cobalt, Chrome, Mo molar
molybdenum denim, what is
molybdenum? molybdenum? What is
moleben? molybdenum is a it's
like an amygdala.
John C Dvorak: I can't say it
again. molybdenum,
Adam Curry: molybdenum.
molybdenum. Yes. No, you don't
know what it is. It's one
John C Dvorak: of the rare
earths that people use for
different alloys. It's an alloy
product as far as I know,
Adam Curry: beryllium. Got that
nailed it 10, top, tantalum,
tantalum, yeah, tantalum
niobium, niobium, niobium, gold,
lead, zinc, graphite, and
hydrocarbons. And so the
document is broken into areas
fields and license blocks with
regard to each mineral found in
that area with diagrams and
short descriptions. There's also
some offshore so we see in the
southern Warzone areas who you
can find rare earth minerals
gold, lead and zinc, which are
ores and poly metallic deposits
in about seven fields. There's
also offshore black, she's black
sea shelf hydrocarbon deposits,
three license areas that contain
lithium, tantalum, niobium,
rubidium, mica, rubidium,
cesium, tin and beryllium. Each
of these areas have block named
etc. This is what it's about.
Now we understand whether Putin
actually believes that this is a
Russian region or not. This is
the fight. This is it that they
already divvied up the the
breadbasket to all the
multinationals, those are all
licensed out the wheat. And now
it's about the rare earth
minerals and and there seems to
be some gas and some other
hydrocarbon goodies in there as
well. No wonder we're fighting.
No wonder.
John C Dvorak: Yes, I think this
is the untold part of the story.
And we don't, it's all
democracy. Well, it's for
democracy. We're saving Europe,
we're saving Europe. We're
saving Europe. Russia is getting
a hold of the tantalum boats and
whatever else they need, which
are going to end the Russians
are unlike the Chinese. I always
like to point this story out,
which is that when the Chinese
stole the silkworms, this is,
you know, hundreds and hundreds
of years ago when the Japan had
a monopoly on silk in the world.
And because they had
domesticated silkworms, and they
were making silk and the Chinese
wanted to make silk. So they
somehow confiscated through
industrial espionage. They stole
some silk worms and started
breeding them and they started
making silk and to the point
where they're making so much
silk that they overwhelmed the
Japanese market and they became
the monopoly. But unlike the
Japanese, and I've seen this
before, and I tried to I don't
know how I can express it
because because it's so
inculcated into Chinese culture
of best price. They never turn
into gougers. Somebody has to
show me an example of where they
do that. They bring it out at a
super low price, and they get a
monopoly and they never raised
the price. They don't get
Adam Curry: it. They're doing
something wrong.
John C Dvorak: That's not the
way the Russians are. Well,
Adam Curry: whatever the case
is, you would say? We're
definitely we're definitely
bringing democracy and peace to
Europe, specifically to Germany,
Unknown: NATO Defence Ministers
have agreed that the alliance
will take more of a role in
coordinating military aid to
Ukraine, the decision? When
Adam Curry: did you know we've
noticed this a couple of times?
When did it become Ukraine?
John C Dvorak: Policy was
Ukraine. Actually, you've
noticed that more and make it
Adam Curry: used to be Ukraine?
Yeah. And then it knows Ukraine,
Ukraine, me Ukraine, our crane,
whose crane is it
Unknown: the aid to Ukraine. The
decision follows a meeting of
the Transatlantic Alliance at
NATO headquarters in Brussels.
pledges for bilateral assistance
will continue to be organized
through a US led group of some
50 countries. NATO will now take
over some of the logistics for
delay. During that support and
training, NATO head Jens
Stoltenberg says the mission
will be headquartered at a US
military base in Germany, and
involve almost 700 staff. These
efforts do not make NATO a party
to the conflict. Our support to
crane to pole it's right to self
defense.
Adam Curry: Oh, we're not really
doing anything. We're just doing
it. In Germany. Oh, man, How
stupid are these people?
Germans, Germans, you've got to
stop this. This is nuts. You do
not want that. You don't want to
know being it's do study some
history again for trouble study
some history. People
John C Dvorak: don't do that
anymore. It's gone. We were
talking about gender history. So
this yes,
Adam Curry: it's Yes. His Gender
Studies is how it's now. The
we're talking about the 50
billion disagree. This was also
a topic of discussion that $50
billion that that we're going to
give to Ukraine, which somehow
comes from the 300 billion
locked up in the Federal
Reserve's SWIFT system and Euro
clear that is Russian money, you
know, the theft we've been
talking about? And you kind of
want to know how that worked. If
the money was locked up, and how
the how can you still get
interest on it? If it's
John C Dvorak: frozen assets,
which is the term they keep
using images frozen? How is it?
How is it making money?
Adam Curry: I have? I have an
answer. Good from Jim Rickards.
And he would kind of know, this
Unknown: is what's called a
structured product, the way that
where they're stealing the
assets is a structured product.
If you go back to 2008, you
said, Hey, you got all these
garbage mortgage mortgages out
there? How could you turn them
into AAA securities? And well,
she said, Hold my beer, I'll
show you how to do it. And they
did. And course it all
collapsed. The rating agencies
were here's how it works. So
let's just take the Russian
assets above my first question
$50 billion dollar loan to
Ukraine, who is the lender? The
lender is the United States of
America, which basically you me,
and all the all the posse and
all the viewers and the American
taxpayers are lending the money.
So the United States government
is the lender of $50 billion to
Ukraine, what now you take the
Russian assets $300 billion
dollars, the interest should be
about four and a half percent.
And I say that because they've
been frozen for over over two
years. So when a two year
security matures, the church
should just send you the money.
That's and, and the Treasury is
basically stealing that. So they
reinvest it, they go buy another
security. So the interest on
that portfolio should be about
four and a half percent that's
estimated, but I'm sure it's
pretty close. So the 300 billion
is going to throw off 13 point 5
billion a year in interest at
four and a half percent. And
let's just assume five years, I
think it doesn't matter. That's
a reasonable estimate. That's
$67.5 billion of interest over
five years. Now let's look at
the Russian assets as look at
the loan $50 billion loan us as
the lender, so I'm assuming the
same four and a half percent,
that's the rate on five year,
approximately five year US
Treasury notice that that the
interest on that is two and a
quarter billion per year, times
five years is 11 and a quarter
billion, and you have to pay
back the 50 billion of
principal, so you're gonna need
61 and a quarter billion dollars
at the end of five years to pay
back the principal and the
interest on the loan. So okay,
we're gonna steal 67 billion
approximately, from the Russian
interest. And that's enough to
pay for the 61.2 5 billion on
the loan. So basically, the loan
is going to be made, it's going
to accrue interest, it's gonna
get repaid, it's gonna get
repaid from the Russian assets.
But the Russian assets happen to
be six times larger than the
loan, at least for now. And it
will produce enough interest to
pay off this loan. So the g7
they're gonna say, well, we're
not stealing the Russian assets.
We're just taking the interest.
And then the loans separate.
This is why I say it's a
structured product one separate
and we'll use the interest to
pay off the loan less by the
Ukraine was the word no worries,
we'll just hit hit a brush
corroboration which is
delusional, but that's the way
they think. So
Adam Curry: we're kind of
stealing it from us. You know,
what
John C Dvorak: was the audience
with that one?
Adam Curry: No, I don't think
so. I think a lot of people got
that. The whole the whole thing
is crooked.
Unknown: It's why it's gambling.
Adam Curry: But it's our money.
I mean, I mean, they're in
essence they're printing it
John C Dvorak: right? Now
actually selling the books. It's
real money up well, yeah,
Adam Curry: they make it up
right.
John C Dvorak: Russians money
and then we're kind of stealing
the money that loaning it to
Ukraine. Getting money back.
We're probably probably making
out in the deal. Probably what
am I what am I thinking we're
making out on?
Adam Curry: I don't know if it's
You and I, John someone's making
out on the deal we're not making
anything
John C Dvorak: on the deal
that's for sure. And the guys
who are losing their assets or
their you or the other Ukrainian
soldiers and women and men are
all getting killed chopped up
now to buy the machine so it was
somebody he gets a beryllium
Adam Curry: is that the most
important one? I kind of liked
the molybdenum molybdenum. Yeah,
that's exactly right. That's the
one I like the molybdenum is the
one I'm going for it Ba ba ba ba
scat. Is there any news? Because
I did get a a thing from Turkish
Radio Television. Is there any
news about the expiration of our
deal with Saudi Arabia? Is that
being discussed anywhere?
John C Dvorak: None zip it just
was mentioned. We haven't said
anything about I think it's I
don't believe that the deals is
fully in play. Well, I think
it's a bluff or some sort Well,
listen to
Unknown: this is the reign of
the US dollar and global trade
under an existential threat.
This may well be the case
because a critical decade's long
deal between Saudi Arabia and
the US known as the petro dollar
deal expired on June 8. The deal
was originally signed on June
8 1974. It's through it the US
agreed to buy oil from Saudi
Arabia and exchange for military
aid and equipment while the
Saudis would invest their petro
dollar revenue back into the US
economy. In other words, Petro
dollars or US dollars in
exchange for crude oil exports.
The expiry of a deal now allow
Saudi Arabia to send us oil in
multiple different currencies,
such as the Chinese renminbi,
and Yuan, the euro and the
British pound as well as crypto
currencies like Bitcoin. vital
to the US as global economic
influence, the expiry of a
collapse of the deal is expected
to impact the US dollar value
and its dominance in global
trade. As experts now also
particular Saudi Arabia is
intending to end this
association with USD following
his entry into bricks, which
seeks to prioritize trade in
local currencies, with Russia
and Saudi Arabia now vying to
move away from trading and USD
will the global dominance of the
dollar, which is still the most
dominant currency in the world
be coming to an end.
Adam Curry: So I kind of
understand what they're saying
the deal, I guess it was a 50
year deal. It just ended. And
they have to do it. And they
haven't really they could redo
it. But do you see and they're
there with the Pope. And
probably here's
John C Dvorak: the problem was
mentioned very early in that
report. The problem for Saudi
Arabia is the whole thing was
contingent on them buying our
armaments, and they're loaded to
the gills with our gear. Yeah.
And they can't all of a sudden,
just stiff us and expect that
gear to get repaired ever again,
or to have us protect them.
Yeah, or have us protect him. So
that's not going I said, No,
this is an overly drip
dramatized problem that may go
away. In due course, she wants
so it's like it gets out of us
so positive.
Adam Curry: Not only is the deal
going to be re upped but Biden's
not going to win. You're very
positive. You're the guy. I'm
John C Dvorak: not that positive
about Biden not winning. No, I
have a series of clips. Yes.
Adam Curry: You know, we've
we've Robert Epstein was in play
during the the 2020 election as
well.
John C Dvorak: Yes, in fact, I
have all those clips. But I
should mention that Robert
Epstein kind of dropped off the
radar. His wife
Adam Curry: got killed in a
horrible accident. His
John C Dvorak: wife got killed.
Yeah. Even though he thought he
was, you know, targeted, and the
wife got killed a miserable car
wreck of some sort. Same thing
happened to Joe Biden's first
wife. So you don't know what's
going on there. But that was
Adam Curry: Robert, keep your
eye on Jill. And that's what you
want to do. So
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of
different not that long. A
couple of one of them is. But
this Robert Epstein. Robert
Epstein is what it's actually
he's pretty well introduced
here. He's the guy who who've,
who uses a technique to spy on
Google, of having edits
explained in these clips to have
a whole bunch of people and not
net. They're not anonymous.
They're real people that Google
has been tracking. And he also
says that everyone who's been on
Google For 20 years will have 3
million pages of data on them in
a database someplace. Every
every person. Yeah, everyone. If
you've been on Google for 20
years, you'll have 3 million
pages of documentation. Done a
four size or legal letter is
probably a four. Because Google
you know, they're they're
cosmopolitan as they are Cosmo.
Let's start with Robert Epstein.
One
Unknown: that would be Dr. Rob
Bert Epstein, who is the head of
the American Institute for
Behavioral Research and
Technology, where
Adam Curry: who's who did this
interview?
John C Dvorak: This came from?
Epstein. Yes.
Adam Curry: Right. You don't
want to say Epstein you want to
say Epstein Epstein?
John C Dvorak: Yes. This came
from the Michael Knowles podcast
called Pure talk, podcast, a
podcast on YouTube, I did send
you a link to it. So it could be
in the show notes.
Adam Curry: It is in the show
notes.
Unknown: Also the former editor
in chief of Psychology Today,
and holds a PhD from Harvard.
But despite that, actually has
had a great career and has
aroused the hire of many, many
powerful people, including the
biggest corporation ever.
Google. Dr. Epstein, thank you
for being here. I want to get to
so much I actually want to get
to some of your other areas of
research, because you are not
just a guy who gives testimony
and goes on interviews and talks
about big tech. You are a very
serious person with a very
lengthy career, and all sorts of
credentials and publications. I
do want to begin though you do
with this Google elections
question How bad is it's
much worse than you think. So
however bad you think it is,
it's much worse. So I can just
give you two numbers. And maybe
that will summarize it for you.
Google alone in this year's
presidential election. If we
don't do some extraordinary
things to stop them, which might
be impossible. Google alone will
be able to shift between six
point 4,000,025 point 5 million
votes in the presidential
election. Generally speaking,
with no one having the slightest
idea that they've been
manipulated. And generally
speaking, without leaving a
paper trail for authorities to
trace, I think
Adam Curry: he had similar
numbers. The you know, in the
2020 election, I think he had
similar type numbers of what
Google could shift.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he might
have He says his worse now than
it was before.
Adam Curry: So well, why is the
question
John C Dvorak: there? Democrats,
you saw Sergey Brin in tears
when Trump? No, I know
Adam Curry: that. But what what
is the mechanism? What are they
doing? Oh, yeah, he tries to, he
John C Dvorak: tries to bring
some of it out. The mechanism
is? Well, I mean, I wrote a
column with my last substack
column shows you some evidence
of the mechanism is like, if you
do a search on Donald Trump
donations, you'll, you won't get
the Donald Trump donation site.
But if you put Joe Biden
donations that comes right at
the top, okay, that's one that's
manipulation of the way the
information is presented some
subtle manipulation. But as
you're here, more and more of
what he has to say, you can see,
yes, it adds up. It's like real
money at the end of the day,
you're is that
Unknown: because of the number
of Democrats and Republicans
using it? Or is that because of
who's getting the notifications?
Now?
We're talking about proportions
here. I'm saying that
proportionally speaking, I'm
saying that Democrats are
getting those reminders at two
and a half times the rate that
results?
Adam Curry: Yes, clip two. Okay.
Robert Epstein to right.
Unknown: Now that's happening.
That's a very short one.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was
the discus. Um, it's
interesting, though, that well,
that was an exponent explanatory
except for the fact that the
Google sends out a reminder to
register to vote at a rate two
and a half times greater to
Democrats than they do to
Republicans. And they determine
who if you're Republican or
Democrat, by your searches. And
by your by your email, or what
you use when you use Google,
everyone uses Google email, I
think 80% of our audience does.
And so if you're like, 80% of
the audience, you're getting the
no agenda newsletter, for
example, you're probably not a
Democrat. And so you get
categorized such, probably,
Adam Curry: from time to time,
don't receive the no agenda
newsletter for above worries,
yes,
John C Dvorak: yes, that
happens. A lot has happened. And
particularly when I was critical
of Google and one of the
newsletters that was getting go
to three, it,
Unknown: it almost makes me want
to throw my hands in the air and
say, this corporation is so
powerful, they control
everything. I'm not a major
research psychologist, so I
don't look into that. But the
moment you start to look into
these things, you say, Oh, well,
look, the situation is even
worse than you thought it was.
Just
to drive this point home. If
Google is doing something like
that, which they are because
we're measuring it right. And
then at some point, they're
going to send out partisan
mailing your ballot reminders
and at some point, they're going
to send out partisan go vote
reminders, and they're also
stacking the deck in their
search results. So the search
results are highly biased, I can
actually send your audience to a
web page. And actually, you can
actually see what the bias is
right now. And on Google search
results, how does one calculate
how does one we will we right
now are collecting data with
their permission, through the
computers of more than 14,000
registered voters in all 50
states politically balanced? And
all that information coming into
the computers of real people we
are aggregating in real time and
analyzing in real time regarding
bias while we're looking at the
web pages that Google is sending
people to. And we're using three
different organizations, ratings
of political bias, taking the
mean, and then calculating a
mean for each search position in
Google search results. So I hope
I'm not being too detailed here.
But no, no, the point is, we can
measure very precisely whether
there is bias in Google search
results. And there's
extraordinary bias in Google
search results sufficient to
shift millions of votes in this
year's election.
Adam Curry: I remember how he
does this, because he said, It's
all ephemeral. So He equips like
hundreds of people, I think,
with a tracking device, 14,000
focac, 14,000. And that's how
he's able to track the the bias
that Google puts in, that he saw
he throws out that number 4
million to 20 million. Do you
really, I mean, does he have any
data to back up that that will
serve? He
John C Dvorak: does a
statistical analysis of what
he's seeing with the 14,000
people? 7000 Republicans, 7000
Democrats, and he extrapolates
and he does it in a way that is
that is statistically sound.
Okay. So that's where he's doing
that. And he has other details
in terms of how many people you
because you just extrapolate if
you have, you know, he's only
looking at 14,000 computers, but
like he says in, I think the
next clip, 500 million people
are hitting Google daily, you
Adam Curry: know, but not only
in the United States, really,
John C Dvorak: in the United
States. All looked at number
three, you're gonna say, Who's
that worldwide? board after
dinner table?
Adam Curry: They're all looking
for AOC porn videos. But yeah,
I'm sure I'm sure.
Unknown: Democrat, what we have
learned to do is to monitor them
the way they monitor us. We're
surveilling them. We're
collecting data that they are
sending to real people. And by
the way, that's the only way to
see what they're really doing.
You have to look over the
shoulders of real people.
Because all the content is
personalized. You can't use an
anonymized computer as the
economist did. And a study, as
some folks at Stanford
University did in this study.
You can't use an anonymized
computer. Because Google sees
that as a bot. They see it as a
non person, they know it's not a
real person, because they don't
have that huge pile of
information. There's no real
person would be anonymous, all
content is personalized, right.
So if they're sending content to
a non person, guess what? It's
unbiased, right? So people have
conducted silly studies saying
Google is not biased against
conservatives or anyone else.
Because look, we did this study
with an anonymized computer. And
we're getting back clean, clean,
clean data. Yes, that's right.
That's true. Back, I can
demonstrate it for you. That's
actually true. But who cares?
That's not what the data we're
getting. The data we're getting
is personalized. So we are
looking over the shoulders of a
very large number of registered
voters. And they're real people
and Google, Google cannot
identify them. And that's how
you see what they're sending.
Okay.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says
Google can't identify me means
Google can identify them as
stooges.
Unknown: I understand. All
right. Okay, let's go to clip
five,
John C Dvorak: I think we have
been monitored. This is why
their way this is a good clip,
go as opposed to those first for
those of those who are good,
too. But this is like really
good. This is the money shot
people. We have been
Unknown: monitoring, building
bigger and bigger monitoring
systems since 2016. And 2020, we
had a pretty big system in place
for the first time. So we
actually captured 1.5 million
ephemeral experiences. That's
what Google calls them. On
Google and other platforms, we
were very, very rapidly
analyzing our data. We were
seeing very extreme political
bias on Google, but not on Bing
or Yahoo. And that's important
for comparison purposes. And
this time around, I thought,
we're not going to wait till
after the election, so I didn't
want to I was reluctant to ever
to reveal this what we what we
knew before the election,
because I was afraid Donald
Trump might not think that much
of I mean, I'm amazed by him.
Yes, but I don't think much of
him, but I was afraid he would
take our data run to the Supreme
Court and shut down the country.
But we had found such
incriminate Eating data in 2020.
That few days before the
election, I contacted a reporter
I knew at the New York Post, I
said here, I'm going to send you
a bunch of stuff. Look at it. I
said, You just had a front cover
story on the Hunter Biden
laptop, I said, this will be
your next front cover story.
This is about large scale
rigging of the current election.
She was tremendously dubious.
And then she looked at all the
stuff I sent her and she got the
assignment, she wrote up the
piece, she called me up. This is
Friday, before the Tuesday
election, she read me parts of
the piece, this was gonna be the
front cover. It was fabulous.
Because it was about rigging,
but with real data, right,
showing real data.
Adam Curry: Alright, hold on a
sec. So what Google is doing
here may spur on people to
register to vote or to send in
their vote. It seems to me like
it's not going to sway anyone
from one side to the to the
other. I don't know about the
independence and how important
that is. thing people may have
kind of made up their mind. So
what he's saying here is stupid
journalists. They're influenced
by it. And the media portion is
influenced by it. But do you
think at this point that that
makes any difference for how
people are going to vote? Will
it sway anyone one way or the
other is is just purely about
the the turnout.
John C Dvorak: It has a lot to
do with the turnout, but it but
like he says if your rigging the
results, in other words, if you
if you are on the fence and
you're looking for something
that is like, anti Biden
material, and they won't give it
to you, alright, that's going to
sway Okay, so many people see
the Biden roaming around clip,
you know? Yeah. Well, let's
continue this, and then you can
discuss at the end, but this is
the kicker to what he just said
is the next clip,
Unknown: then her editor as a
matter of course, this is not
nothing unusual, called Google
for comment. She called me up
later that day, and she said, I
am so mad. She didn't use that
word. She used another word,
little saucy. And she said,
Well, New York journalists. So
she said, your piece just got
killed. I said what I said,
You're the New York Post, you
broke the hunter. She said,
Yeah. But we get a lot of
traffic from Google, which I
look up at that time, they were
getting about 45% of their
traffic from Google. Now, if you
try to look that up, you can't
even look that up anymore.
Google has made that information
disappear. But the New York Post
it's true at that time was
getting a lot of their traffic
from Google so they could not
afford to run the story.
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's a
good point. So the New York Post
is a compromised piece of crap.
John C Dvorak: Everybody is not
us, baby. No, it's because we
were starving to death. Here you
go. So
Adam Curry: I can't believe it.
It's so hard and we're starving,
John C Dvorak: is here the final
kick and provided a way that the
thing was being as shown in the
column I just did or did last
week for substack. Bing is way
off to off track. Now they, if
you look at their Biden versus
Trump searches, they put is a
promotion for Biden being even
though maybe in 2010 2020, there
wasn't so much of this word
being he says Yahoo. Yeah, but
now there's tons it is just Pro,
the Bing site is so pro Biden is
ridiculous. So again,
Adam Curry: it may sway some
Well, yes. I think all of
America at this point, see
something's wrong with Joe
Biden, but I can see where
independents are people who are
on the fence. How big is that
group? Really.
John C Dvorak: It's about a
third of the voters. Really,
Adam Curry: a third of voters is
actually
John C Dvorak: 3535. And the
nemorosa were independents.
Okay. All right. So here we go
into final kicker of the kicker,
and
Adam Curry: the kicker of the
kicker is football.
Unknown: So I sent it off to Ted
Cruz. And on November 5, two
days after the election, Ted
Cruz with two other senators
sent a very threatening letter
to the CEO of Google. So there's
this right after the election
saying, and and it goes on and
on about what Epstein has found.
And how do you account for this?
You testified before Congress
saying you don't interfere with
elections? And guess what
happened on November 5 of 2020.
Wade crews got a car accident,
Google, Google turned off all of
their manipulations. Now you're
saying Wait, this is after the
election? Who cares? Because
Georgia where we had more than
1000 We call them field agents.
Yeah. So we were we were
collecting content Through the
computers of more than 1000
registered voters all over
Georgia, Georgia was gearing up
to have two Senate runoff
election Leffler
and Purdue. I went I went down
for those races. Well, on
November 5, Google shut off
their partisan go vote
reminders. No one from that day
forward until that election, no
one in Georgia. Gotta go vote
reminder, nobody. They turned
off the bias in the search
results, which I thought would
be impossible. How could you you
just can't turn off bias. I have
since learned through documents
from the company that were that
were taken out of the company.
I've learned from a
whistleblower that in fact, they
can turn bias on and off, like
flipping a light switch. That is
a quote from Zack Vorhees.
Adam Curry: Who's Zack for he's
John C Dvorak: as the Google
whistleblower? Oh, of course,
you haven't heard of him know.
Me Google and get you on your
level get any more traffic from
Google?
Adam Curry: Let me Google him.
doesn't show up. I use
cognitions. And
John C Dvorak: show you Yeah,
no, this is a corrupt situation.
completely out of control pond,
and nobody cares. This is like,
Oh, whatever. You know, okay.
Well, Biden, if he gets in
again, so what is he won't last
that long and Kamla would be the
president. That's what everybody
wants? Well be a break. Well,
Adam Curry: we're gonna go down
with the I don't care who it is,
as long as it's first of all,
let's just stop pretending that
it matters. Donald Trump is not
going to save everybody, right?
daddio is not going to fix all
your problems in your town, or
your city. That's got to come
from the people. You know,
people got to get into the into
the ring. I'm not going to
works. tripping out memes. I
thought CNN did an interesting
job of solidifying the Donald
Trump is going to destroy our
democracy.
John C Dvorak: Which now? I
think Do you think they'd get
off that for no track? No doing
it? Oh,
Adam Curry: it's a double down
now to double down because there
is an even when you hear this
piece from CNN, and this is this
British dude who, for somehow he
covers Trump, for CNN, because I
know maybe he's not seen as
offensive to Trump voters. And
he so he goes into a Trump
rally. And of course, it's a man
on the street. So the Hello,
easy to pick out the two weak
sisters of the bunch. But then
it's it's intercut with an
interview with our favorite Anne
Applebaum. So listen to
Unknown: this. One thing we've
been hearing at Trump rallies
like this over the past few
months is that America isn't
really a democracy.
America's not a democracy.
That's
against not a democracy. Okay,
democracy is actually not as
good as you think
it is. But for centuries,
America has celebrated its
democracy. Democracy is worth
dying for democracy remains the
definition of political
legitimacy. But some Republicans
and pro Trump media are pushing
the idea that America is not a
democracy.
United States of America is not
a democracy. We are a
constitutional republic, United
States of America is not a
democracy. If you don't want to
be in a democracy. We are not a
democracy. We are a republic. Is
America a democracy? America
is a democracy. It was founded
as a democracy. I've heard a
lot of conspiracy theories. I
hear a lot of things, conspiracy
theories out on the road. But
theory, oh, wait to hear
Americans, people who would
describe themselves as patriots,
who say that America is not a
democracy. That stopped me in my
tracks.
You are hearing people say
America is not a democracy,
because there are people around
Trump who want them to be saying
that who've been planting that
narrative. Is
America democracy.
I don't I think well not wearing
our republic.
What's the difference?
I feel like democracy. Through
government. I don't see freedom
and democracy I see freedom.
Honestly, the word democracy and
the word Republic have often
been used interchangeably. There
isn't a meaningful difference
between them. So much
of the warnings and criticism
about Trump is that he is a
threat to democracy that he is
anti democratic. Absolutely.
If they can convince people that
we don't have a democracy, then
it's okay that Trump is
attacking democracy because it
doesn't really matter. So
Adam Curry: the strongest part
of that piece is of course
having Reagan and Bush Talk
about our democracy. How do we
square that with saying we don't
have a democracy?
John C Dvorak: Well, that was
they were Reagan and Bush. Were
doing the same thing that the
Democrats do, which is call
everything a democracy when it's
a constitutional republic, which
is what it is. And it's not a
conspiracy. That's what it is
what it is conspiracy theory,
conspiracy theory, we don't even
do direct voting for the
President, even though I think
they would love that. But we
don't we have the Electoral
College in between as a buffer
as a shim.
Adam Curry: Well, so So this,
but this is kind of the
messaging and you know, so yeah,
I'm sure Google will surface
this type of stuff. That
Constitutional Republic is a
conspiracy theory. Look at
Reagan. Great boy. Yeah. Well,
it was well done. And then of
course, we also need to attack
flags, flags, as flags are so
important. I mean, throughout
history, flags are a big deal.
And who better to ask all
cultures? Yes. And who better to
ask about flag gates. This is a
Supreme Court, Justice Alito,
whose wife flew the upside the
American flag upside down
international sign of distress,
and also raised the pine pine
tree flag, which is the so
called appeal to heaven flag.
And let's ask Mayor Pete,
because there's nothing better
than a McKinsey graduate
McKinsey alum to ask about these
important questions.
Unknown: There was a secret
recording made at a meeting
where many Supreme Court
justices and their spouses were
and Martha AnnaLena, the wife of
Supreme Court Justice Samuel
Alito, was discussing how she
feels about apparently a pride
flag that
says, Listen, I want a Sacred
Heart of Jesus flag, because I
have to look across the lagoon
at the pride flag.
Adam Curry: Did you hear that?
She says she wants a Sacred
Heart of Jesus flag. So I'll
make sure you heard that because
it's I did not hear that. Yeah,
that's what she say this is that
horrible undercover recording?
From the woman who believes in
the mother of Gaia, from
California Gaia woman, the guy
or woman? Yes, worshipping earth
like any good pagan would that
was flown off
John C Dvorak: pagan pagans do.
Unknown: I want a Sacred Heart
of Jesus flag, because I have to
look across the lagoon at the
pride flag for the next month.
And he's like, Oh, please don't
put up a flag. I said, I won't
do it. Because I'm deferring to
you. But when you are free of
this nonsense, I'm putting it
up. And I'm gonna send them a
message every day.
How does that make you feel
knowing that the wife of a
Supreme Court justice, wants to
send a message to people with a
pride flag?
Look, I'm often reminded that
the most important thing in my
life, which is my marriage, and
my family, and the two beautiful
children that my husband Chaston
and I are raising that that
marriage only exists by the
grace of a single vote on the
United States Supreme Court that
expanded our rights and freedoms
back in 2015, and made it
possible for Edie
Adam Curry: expanded his rights
and freedoms. You see it, he has
expanded his rights and freedoms
because he's so suppressed, that
Unknown: expanded our rights and
freedoms back in 2015, and made
it possible for somebody like me
to get married. And, you know,
Supreme Court justices have an
unbelievable amount of power.
And, and by the nature in the
structure, the Supreme Court,
there's no supervision over that
power. They're entrusted with it
literally for as long as they
live. And part of that trust is
we expect them to enter into
those enormously consequential
decisions that that shape our
everyday lives, with a sense of
fairness, I also hope that most
Americans can understand the
difference between a flag that
symbolizes you know, love and
acceptance and signals to people
who have sometimes feared for
their safety that they're going
to be okay. And insurrectionists
symbology
Adam Curry: No, there it is.
There it is Trump
John C Dvorak: but they said
something in there he says about
you know, I wish I could put
remember what is exact phrase
was but it seems to me that for
one thing, I think, the same
Democrats who are extolling the
virtues of women and giving the
and empowering them to have a
Leo's wife who's got nothing
she's not on the Supreme Court.
I hate to mention this to you
though she's not on there doing
anything. So what she got to do
it decisive with this
Adam Curry: price. Price? Yes.
John C Dvorak: It's just
ridiculous. And then what is he
supposed to be told Shut up
woman. Get into the kitchen I
mean, what what exactly are
they? Are they angling for here?
They can have a mixed message?
Adam Curry: Well, I think the
again, it's comes down to the
same thing. The whole point is
to associate flags, American
flags. Faith flags to equate
that with insurrectionists ie
Trump. That's the whole point.
Yes,
John C Dvorak: that was a poorly
made point. And I should just
mention something as an aside.
So this weekend on catchy TV or
whatever it is one of the over
the air channels. They've had a
24/7 marathon of laughing shows
from 68. Goldie Hawn, he went on
to believe she was one of the
many cast members. And they were
bitching about this. It was a
very political show, you don't
realize that most of the issues
were this are today's issues.
And this is from ninth this last
show. I was watching the dad had
this thing in 1971 show. They
were bitching about the Supreme
Court? No, of course, of course,
literally. Because at the time
the Supreme Court was somewhat
liberal. And this was the era of
bumper stickers that said, you
know, impeach Earl Warren, who
was a Reuters Republican
governor of California,
Republican governor of
California, but he was a very
liberal, Supreme Court justice.
And the right wing was going
nuts over zero Warren's impeach
Earl Warren. And this was kind
of reflected in the
Adam Curry: print. But in those
days, we had three television
channels and no YouTube. And and
no, Google.
John C Dvorak: No, but the
complaining was the same. Well,
there's always people have been
bitching and moaning about the
Supreme Court from the get go,
and it's just like, Okay, give
it a rest. And now they're
complaining about the Supreme
Court justices wives that was
not in play back in the day.
Adam Curry: Well, now we have
also not in the play back in the
day was media organization
taking down other media
organizations. I don't think
that that was considered
ungentlemanly. unsportsmanlike,
John C Dvorak: was the same
thing with writers. writers
would never condemn other
writers and, yeah, that's true.
It was, it was. It was
unwritten, unwritten code. Yes.
Adam Curry: So you've probably
heard that the I think the owner
of epic times, or the I think
the financial guy, someone's in
trouble.
John C Dvorak: He was a money
guy, CFO,
Adam Curry: I think, yeah, the
money guy got arrested for I
haven't looked into it. But
okay, whatever. But that's not
what this is about. No, no, no,
no. I mean, we know the epic
times were in fact, I would say
we've used lots of material from
Epic times, because they're
reporting at least isn't your
typical political base
reporting. Would you say that's
Is that a fair statement, I
John C Dvorak: think is much
more objective than the
mainstream media. Object
newspapers.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you're
wrong. Here's NBC. NBC is
reporting.
Unknown: The Epoch Times is a
conservative news outlet. They
have newspapers, and they have a
website. And what you'll see is
very pro, Trump conservative,
ultra conservative content. It's
come up in 2016 as a real player
in the conservative ecosystem.
Before then it was really known
as just a Chinese language
newspaper that was associated
with Falun Gong, and Falun Gong,
it's a movement. It's a
religious spiritual movement.
That's headed by a man named
Master Li Hong Xiu, Master Li,
lives in Dragon Springs, New
York. He lives and he is the
head of this religion. So all
the people in this religion
Adam Curry: pagine I know oh, by
the way, you get the this is the
I know she's a millennial, she
may be z. And they get her to do
this piece with her fry and her
up talk and then yes, it's
fallen go bed, his bed about and
that but following Gong
explained following Gong before
we continue with this, there
John C Dvorak: was a bunch of
these I actually had a little
exposition about this for some
years back and I don't have all
of it at the tip of my tongue,
but it was part of a there was a
bunch of these movements, these
meditative movement
Adam Curry: isn't yoga or
something. It was kind of like a
yoga but she does. She does go
into that later and fall
John C Dvorak: on Gong was the
one that became the most
successful and it became they
the Chinese government felt it
was politicizing itself and
becoming a voting bloc or of
block that could cause trouble
down the road. So it was banned.
Now there can all of it was foul
on Gong, the fact there was a
bunch of these following F al U
ns. And it was just one of many.
And it became the last one man
standing and it became cutting
as controversial and all kinds
of different directions. And
it's very but it's but I'd say
it is based at this point in
history. It's anti Chinese. No,
no,
Adam Curry: no, they're pro
Trump. You've got it all wrong
man is pro Trump. Bring out the
Gen Z here.
John C Dvorak: By the way the
Falun Gong cares nothing about
Trump you are okay so
Unknown: wrong is that the head
of this religion? So all the
people in this religion have
their time at one of the media
arms now there's the Epoch
Times. That's the newspaper. And
then there is NDTV and that's
the television component or
video component.
John C Dvorak: Yes. And T D.
Adam Curry: She said no, no, no,
no, no, no, she's NDTV is what
she says. But it's no NTD is not
is not a part of epic times
isn't NTD No, she says in NDTV.
She says she's wrong.
John C Dvorak: It's not NDTV.
She's talking about anti D which
is part of the epoch
Adam Curry: about NDTV. NDTV
that's a real thing. NDTV she's
not talking about NTD.
John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, there
is something else NDTV I'd like
yeah, no, I'll check it out.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, you can't on
that machine. But believe me,
and I can
John C Dvorak: I got a browser
here. I just don't don't have
Twitter. We'll go to Google.
They'll
Adam Curry: tell you to vote for
Biden, that
Unknown: newspaper. And then
there is the TV and that's the
television component and the
video component. And then
there's Shen Yun, and Shin Eun,
if you've seen the ubiquitous
advertisements everywhere, it's
a traditional Chinese dance
troupe with a very anti
communist China message. The
whole point of all of this anti
communist
Adam Curry: dance must go pro
Trump.
John C Dvorak: That again she
she made she's now there is no
such thing as in dt. NDTV
Adam Curry: is what she said.
She said no, I put these clips
together myself. And
John C Dvorak: she said she's
wrong. She's not it's N T D?
Adam Curry: No. Go to ndtv.com
John, okay,
John C Dvorak: you are wrong.
And you're gonna get away like
I'm doing I'm going to actually
go on the browser crazy
Adam Curry: thought man crazy.
While you're at it, look at that
cool PCR machine from the meet
up China
Unknown: message. So the whole
point of all of these things,
whether it's Epoch Times, or
Shen Yun is to relay this
message that the end of the
world is coming. If you are
aligned with communism, you will
go to a sort of hell. And if you
are not wanting to communism, if
you align yourself with Falun
Gong than you will be spared and
you will go to heaven. So it's a
sort of an apocalyptic sort of
cult, not unlike a lot of
religions. But what's
interesting is that they're
using their money to really back
Trump. They're using
Adam Curry: their money to back
Trump. You are so wrong. I'm
sorry. He's just wrong on all
fronts on this one. So
John C Dvorak: here's the other
one. NDTV Yes, sir New Delhi
television out of India. NDTV
meaning N T D.
Adam Curry: But isn't NTV the
New Tang Dynasty?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, New Tang
Dynasty is part of following
Gong.
Adam Curry: Well, this is an
outrage. She can't
John C Dvorak: even get her
story straight, let alone you
getting it straight. And in
defending her.
Adam Curry: I'm defending what
she said. She said NDTV That's
what I said. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: So Delhi
television is not a follow on
cog operation. Okay. Sure. You
wait,
Adam Curry: but wait, let's
continue because it's still the
all they're doing. They only
exist to be pro Trump. This is
the story.
Unknown: And they're aligning
themselves with evangelicals.
And just you know, conservatives
on the, you
Adam Curry: know, it's
interesting pastor Jimmy just
just handed out epic times at
church the other day, like,
thanks. Yeah, oh, the
evangelicals are all in with
Falun Gong,
Unknown: and they're aligning
themselves with Evangelicals,
and just, you know,
conservatives on the internet to
really push a pro Trump method
that really seems to be working
they have gone from a really
it's working or no
Adam Curry: mucking about. It's
working just so you know, it's
working. The whole point is to
discredit and epic times it's
they're taking down another news
organizations Oh,
John C Dvorak: they're just at
you know, you're just asking for
trouble. This is ridiculous
report. This woman should be
ashamed. Better,
Unknown: we fledgling newspaper
where no one was really reading
it, it cost $1 Sometimes it was
free on the
Adam Curry: students was crazy.
A news organization, it only
costs $1. I mean, how can you
pay salaries,
Unknown: and now they are
everywhere here. senior editors
were in Trump Tower earlier this
year interviewing Laura Trump.
They're interviewing
congressman, celebrities kind
Adam Curry: of funny though,
because, you know, they're
against communism, you know,
like Trump is bloodmeal what is
Biden then?
Unknown: Me is like, you know,
diamond and silk. Oh, no,
Adam Curry: diamond and silk.
Oh, they're really poor. All
this stuff. So pro Trump,
Candace Owens
Unknown: and Ted Cruz. They're
really Coming up in the
conservative movement, and it's
important to know who's behind
this, you know, something else
they've done that's really
interesting lately and why we
started looking at them is they
started buying Facebook ads,
they've spent $1.5 million on
11,000 Facebook ads this year
alone. And all of the ads are
very pro. They also push a
conspiratorial message and
following Gong itself is really
interesting because it started
in the 1990s. It started in
China. And it was headed by
Master Li and Master Li sort of
came up with this new practice.
It was a little bit of
mysticism, a little bit of
Buddhism, a little bit of yoga.
And so what he did is he made
this process as some one expert
described to me, he made this
process of meditation, and
Transcendentalism really, really
simple. So there are five
exercises, you know, people
older people could do them in
the park. You see them all
around New York City doing the
exercises now, and it was really
easy. But it also came with some
pretty out there ideas.
John C Dvorak: Out there ideas
she's talking about people doing
in the park is was What is it
where you're
Adam Curry: playing Frisbee,
playing Frisbee? No, no.
John C Dvorak: No, you know that
the the Chinese exercise, which
is a slow motion, kung Tai Chi
is a tai chi. Yeah, yeah, that's
what they're doing in the park.
You're not sitting around
meditating. I mean, this is, by
the way, it's not that much
different that meditation
technique. They're using then
Transcendental Meditation, which
was a big thing with the
liberals,
Adam Curry: which you can see on
NDTV from India.
Unknown: or Yes, yes.
Adam Curry: I got one more clip
here. It's just it was it's just
what this is what the whole idea
is, is to continuously to
continuously just propagandize
people and it's the same message
over and over again. Conspiracy
Theory, pro Trump. Ruining
democracy, conspiracy theory,
pro Trump ruining democracy with
an ultra
Unknown: conservative worldview
behind Falun Gong, so they don't
support gay people.
Adam Curry: They are I don't
support gay people. Oh, now
you're in trouble Falun Gong, is
that true? Do they are they are
they are they haters? Are they
never heard the gays? Well, they
don't support the fact
John C Dvorak: that they have
anything to do as Shin Jung, if
you haven't seen I mean, I
haven't seen that presentation.
But just looking at the
commercials for it is that if
that's not gay, I don't know
what
Unknown: people they are anti
pop music. They don't they hate
pop music part feminism. They
rail against any sort of like
modernism, I mean, part of their
their motto is traditionalism.
It's also important to know that
in China, they were banned in
the 90s Because China didn't
like the fact that they were
becoming so popular.
Adam Curry: Why is that
important to know is the
question, it's important to know
that China banned, banned and
Unknown: so they imprisoned some
of their people of their
followers. And human rights
organizations say that they
tortured and killed many so
masterly brought his followers
here. He moved here himself, and
he lives in New York. And what
he does is he runs a commie in
the air with many followers,
they believe things that former
practitioners have told us are
unsettling. So one of them is,
you know, the aliens are real.
One is that they discourage the
taking of medicine, because
masterly has taught that
sickness is caused by some sort
of evil inside of you, and then
it can fall and gone. Are you
John C Dvorak: seen anything
like that in my life? Why is she
going to go into the Christian?
What was which is the group that
refuses to take anything
whatsoever Amish should decide?
As a Christian, what's the name
of that group?
Adam Curry: There's only 30
seconds left. So I don't think
so
Unknown: masterly has taught
that sickness is caused by some
sort of evil inside of you, and
then it can, Falun Gong can cure
you of that. So, you know, these
are all things that we've heard,
but the overarching
Adam Curry: music bed is kind of
interesting. What that shows is
kind of a Ping Pong Pong, kind
of like a, like an Asian wind
chime. Long, long, long AI.
Background music, Chinese ping
pong. On
Unknown: contrary, you have
that. So, you know, these are
all things that we've heard. But
the overarching narrative is
that, you know, Falun Gong
believers believe that we are
headed toward a judgement day
where communists and non
communist will be pitted against
each other. So all of these
outreach efforts, whether it's
Epoch Times, or Shin Eun or NDTV
are all out there to sort of
save the souls of sentient
beings they say this is all an
effort to not only you know when
your soul not only you know when
to vote for Donald Trump, but
also you know, to save the
world.
John C Dvorak: Hope young you
know They should be ashamed of
themselves for putting their
money. She keeps saying NDTV by
the way. Yeah, right to the end.
So she's clueless. That is a
shameful report.
Adam Curry: Yeah,
John C Dvorak: I hope you're
bigoted. It's a bigoted,
shameful anti. Okay, while she's
like doing the bidding of the
Chinese Communist parties, yes.
Adam Curry: Quite possibly.
Well, I'll just wrap up my my
media overview with the two more
topics. And the first one is, of
course, Alex Jones. We have an
update on cars Friday, he was in
court for me to determine what
will happen with Infowars. I
actually got a call from sort of
Lucifer who works there. And he
was yeah, he says the the mood
is not great. There's the ice 55
zero people working there.
People who've worked with him
there for 15 years. And 55
people you said 5050 people?
Five D? Yeah. five zeros. A lot
of people. Big operation. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, that's I think it's
gonna end here. This
Unknown: is an attempt at
Digital assassination.
conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
was defiant in front of a
federal courthouse today, vowing
that the government may shut him
down, but they won't shut him
up. This is probably the end of
Infowars a federal judge in
Houston ordered Jones to
liquidate his personal assets,
worth an estimated four to $6
million to start paying the
Sandy Hook families the $1.5
billion in defamation damages he
owes them the decision will also
force Jones to auction off his
jewelry and gun collection. An
attorney for Jones said $2
million is already sitting in
escrow for the families. After
Jones sold the Texas ranch
Marlin court. Another episode of
the Alex Jones Show aired on
infowars.com the platform where
Jones spread his conspiracy
theories, the judge ruled that
the company doesn't have to
liquidate its assets, but that
Jones will not control the
money. The whole thing of the
giant courts in both Texas and
Connecticut found Jones liable
for defamation after he called
the attack fake a hoax and
called grieving parents crisis
actors for Robbie Parker, whose
daughter Emily was one of the 20
students killed at Sandy Hook in
2012. This case is not about
money. But accountabilities the
reason
that accountability is important
for me is because that's part of
the healing process.
The hearing comes the same week,
the survivors of the Sandy Hook
massacre graduate from high
school former classmates wore
green and white pins to honor
their memory, a memory Parker
hopes never fades,
Adam Curry: some of the
communications between the
families have been just very
beautiful. And so it is touching
and it is emotional. Now this is
obviously to send a message and
I gotta tell you, from my from
my money message received
message received 1.1 $1.4
billion in a libel suit. Wow. So
so it seems like he'll be able
to continue somehow. Well,
John C Dvorak: he's already know
he's got his. Okay, so he's
going to lose everything. Let's
take it what's gonna happen? The
worst case scenario, he loses
everything, they auction off all
his stuff, they auction off
everything he owns. And he's got
a gun collection, whatever that
is, and the rest of the coins,
like gold coins, challenge
coins, eggs, some challenge
because it's all gone. Got
nothing left. This is the
internet era, he can start up
over? No,
Adam Curry: but I think I think
that he will have to continue
giving. They can take the money
he makes in the future, too.
John C Dvorak: I think that's
probably true. But it would be
on a payment schedule. So it'd
be like, like buying a car,
you'd have to keep paying month
after month. But he is also
bankruptcy issues here that he
you should be able to get out of
some of this. And I mean, that's
what the news video is does it
go bankrupt or somebody Sue's
them within an inch of their
life. And so he's he's got he
knows how to do this. He knows
the business, he can start up
from scratch and build it up
rather quickly. He knows all the
vitamin people that he can get
the product from he just changed
the name of the product. And he
could also do stuff through
third parties. There's a lot of
ways he can go. He's not an old
guy who's just oh, well,
whatever. I'm gonna go retire.
No, he's got plenty of have. He
knows what he's doing at this
point in terms of making money
for himself and his president.
He'll hire probably most of
those people back.
Adam Curry: I am so grateful for
you. Why? Because throughout the
past set a well Good question,
but there is a reason throughout
the past 17 years. You have
always been protected the show
and probably more me by jumping
in if I said something
completely libelous, and then
you would correct me, so that it
was clear that we were
correcting that. Because it just
goes to show you you got to be
careful.
John C Dvorak: You do have to be
careful. And I will tell you my
background on that is that when
I wrote The with Adam Osborn, I
wrote a book called hyper
growth. And Adam was freaked out
about getting sued, because he
was saying some nasty stuff
about very CEOs. And so we went
into a libel lawyer's office and
spent the day and pretty much I
learned pretty much everything
you need to know from a
practical perspective on how not
to libel or slander people. And
I've been complimented in some,
in one case by a publisher who
says, you know, you can call
somebody an asshole 10 different
ways, but never really say it.
And that's kind of the key. And
yes, well, thank you. I am
constantly I know it was drummed
into me, but I'm very aware of
this problem. Yes. No, thank
you. Easily labeling somebody.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Because
people out there crazy. The
courts are crazy.
John C Dvorak: Crazy. For one
thing, you can't call somebody a
crook. Yeah, that's the that's
the one of the key that you just
can't say. Any, you know, if
they haven't been convicted of a
crime, you can't call them a
criminal
Adam Curry: unless you really
bless your trump. You've Trump
you can call him your trump.
John C Dvorak: Call him
anything. Anything you want.
Yeah. Well, there are
differences people left and
right to Well, there are
differences.
Adam Curry: Your kids are in the
public eye, which is like this
kind of gray area. You can say
horrible things about people who
are in the public eye. There's
there's a gray area in tort law.
John C Dvorak: But Jones has
always been up cross crosses the
line a lot. I listen to him. I
mean, I listen to him. We have
Adam Curry: a troll trainee.
Janee says I want to call Mimi a
crook. Too many egg too many
eggs stole my heart. Ah. Isn't
that cute? All the
John C Dvorak: art in that book
is from public domain sources
that are at least 100 years old.
Give me a brainless year old
woman.
Adam Curry: The final series of
clips I have here is very
unexciting. But the information
is detailed. It's from Reuters.
Reuters. There's no reason you
have to be boring. And this is
the Pentagon's psychological
operation against Chinese with
anti Vax messaging if you follow
that.
Unknown: Yep, Reuters has
uncovered a secret anti Vax
campaign run by the Pentagon to
undermine China during the
pandemic. despite objections
from top diplomats, the US
military engaged in clandestine
propaganda about COVID vaccines
that public health experts say
is indefensible.
An aspect of military that many
people don't realize or don't
know about is it the military
controls a large network of fake
social media accounts, and other
online profiles, which it can
use to influence foreign
adversaries. In this case, they
were using a mixture of social
media accounts on various
platforms, including Twitter,
Facebook, Instagram, and several
foreign language, social media
platforms, popular in Central
Asia. So the message is
typically focused on this idea
that foreign audiences should
not trust Chinese pandemic aid.
So it would say that their face
masks that they were donating
were fake. They would say that
the test kits that they were
providing didn't work, they
would say that the vaccines were
ineffective, not real. I think
the most surprising message that
we saw was that they were
pushing this idea that Chinese
COVID vaccines in particular
sin, evac contained a pork
derivative, because where that
message was targeted, was in
Central Asia among Muslim
majority countries.
Adam Curry: Now the funny thing
is, I remember some of those
stories. Yeah, I
John C Dvorak: do, too. And
yeah, this was by the way, you
didn't get to see because you're
traveling. But this this was
written up in the newsletter.
Adam Curry: Oh, no, I didn't see
that. No, you're right. Well, I
have two more pieces to this.
What I just found interesting
is, of course, this never
mentioned in this report is
Smith Mundt. Which does not
allow our government to Well
originally did not allow our
government to propagandize our
own people. Although it's kind
of mentioned in there that was
later repealed in the National
Defense Authorization Act under
Obama. But of course, there's B
and the reason was was the
internet you know, we might
spill over but I remember these
quite vividly. During COVID, how
did this campaign begin?
Unknown: There was growing
interest in increasing the US as
use of clandestine propaganda
and influence operations
following the 2016 election.
Adam Curry: How about that's
interesting, when
Unknown: Russian intelligence
operatives ran a hack and leak
to influence American voters?
Has
Adam Curry: that ever been
proven anywhere, no hack and
John C Dvorak: for those Hokey
Pokey as it were in Facebook,
they spent $100,000 in ad has
Adam Curry: hack and leak. Okay,
Unknown: hack, there was already
support and interest in this
area that going years later in
2019. Policies are instituted
through Congress, and also
within the Defense Department
that lessened the approval
process and made it easier to
run these types of missions
globally, even outside of
defined war zones. With the
COVID pandemic erupting in 2020.
The military looks to employ
these tactics, while State
Department officials voiced
caution. Diplomats argued that
it was not the right time during
a pandemic, to spread fear
through propaganda because of
the ramifications. Nonetheless,
the military continued their
operations until at least summer
of 2021. So
Adam Curry: when I hear this,
all I can think of is, well of
course they did that because
perhaps the whole COVID thing
was a military operation to
begin with, including operation
warp speed. I mean, why else?
Why else would they do that?
John C Dvorak: There was one
thing you're not gonna get in
this report, which was in the
newsletter, which is the is the
is the phrase that we're using
over and over again, which is
China. China develop develop the
China is responsible for the for
the COVID. China's does its own
vaccines. Don't trust China?
There was this don't trust China
meme that they were putting out
and I just thought it was right
up our alley, because we've been
saying using that old don't
trust China. Clip forever.
Donald Trump don't trust China,
China is as home
Adam Curry: so we're part of the
military SIOP campaign, I guess,
unwittingly well, actually
adulterous. Unwittingly,
unwittingly, we were.
John C Dvorak: I think we've
heard of a lot of stuff
unwittingly. But
Adam Curry: wait, you one of
your favorite code words is in
this last clip. And
Unknown: so how did it end? The
influence operation began in
early 2020 with the spread of
the Coronavirus and ran through
the Trump administration. But it
also continued through the
beginning of the Biden
administration. In January of
the Biden administration. When
they first came into office.
They were notified by social
media companies who were
dismayed by what they found.
They had independently noticed
that the military was conducting
these operations through fake
accounts on their platforms. And
they told the Biden
administration that they'd seen
evidence of the military
spreading COVID misinformation.
The White House and the National
Security Council issued a ban
internally on messaging by the
military on vaccines, but we
continue to see the operation
active until later that spring
into the early summer. The
US military is prohibited from
targeting Americans with
propaganda, and Reuters found no
evidence that the Pentagon's
influence operation. Pentagon
spokeswoman said the US military
does use platforms including
social media to counter malign
influence attacks aimed at the
US. And she noted that China had
started a quote, disinformation
campaign to falsely blame the
United States for the spread of
COVID 19. Trump and Biden
spokespeople did not respond to
requests for comment.
John C Dvorak: What are they
gonna say
Adam Curry: this whole things I
mean, while they were deep
platforming people, citizens
doctors,
John C Dvorak: for so called
COVID Ostersund per COVID
disinformation.
Adam Curry: At the same time,
they're just the our own
government is SIOP in China, and
then China sigh up things back,
like Oh, whoa, no, didn't start
here. This whole thing now
smells like one big military
defense department, opera, the
whole COVID thing. And it makes
sense with warp speed
John C Dvorak: will also make
sense with some of the clips
coming floating around that
about showing people that had
the vaccine already in the in
the key Yeah,
Adam Curry: in 2019.
John C Dvorak: So there's, well,
we're talking about this sort of
thing. You also die. We're
getting the blowback.
Adam Curry: Mmm hmm. We got to
take a break, John.
John C Dvorak: I'm just telling
you daftar these two clips would
be perfect. Okay. These are Ryan
Cole, a epidemiologist that was
floated around some, I think
they caught him at a, at a
county fair giving a speech. And
so they decided to get a couple
of licks in. And these are very
funny. Well, and they're not
funny by any means, but they're
horrible. stories he tells you
about was Ryan Cole, who was
Ryan Gleason epidemiologist as
floating around the country
giving speeches about how bad
this vaccine was. Target is what
he is. He's another one of those
guys at Target.
Unknown: Dr. Cole,
what in your opinion, was the
greatest crime during COVID?
Adam Curry: Sounds like a Dutch
guy, by the way,
Unknown: the truth died. We were
lied to by governments who were
taken advantage of by
intelligence agencies, we were
taken advantage of by
Departments of Defense. And the
people were lied to that's the
truth in science died.
What do you see, in the
aftermath of the mRNA shots?
I think the biggest problem
we're going to be fighting for a
long time is chronic autoimmune
disease. These injections were
contaminated with DNA. They were
made with us instead of
synthetic RNA. And they weren't
just making spike proteins, they
were making Frankenstein
proteins as well. And when the
immune system is exposed to
proteins that it's not supposed
to see, then it starts to go
haywire. So certainly, we've
seen some excess sudden death.
And we've seen death from all
causes increased around the
world after the rollout of these
genetic injections that were
never a vaccine. They were
experimental genetic injections.
And so a lot of autoimmune
disease for a long time and
decreased fertility rates we're
already seeing in many countries
around the world. And what I
noticed early on was we're
seeing a lot of runaway turbo
cancers. And I think we're going
to continue to see that and
sadly,
Adam Curry: yeah, Bloomberg had
a story this morning. Why is
everyone getting sick?
John C Dvorak: Hmm. Okay,
Milton's finally out of the ice.
Well, yeah, we were terrible
cancer.
Adam Curry: We were pelted with
the Kate Middleton just on and
on and on. Well, so is the
Charles he's also got to you
guys, but cancer. But I think so
allegedly, to make sure we don't
get sued by the Windsors.
Alright, is that Julie's the
right way? Oh, so Ryan, Ryan is
doing county fairs?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is
where you This is where these
guys are at? Yeah, county fairs.
Good on
Adam Curry: him. And he's in the
arena.
Unknown: These weren't what they
were advertised to be. They were
never a vaccine. And the lesson
here, I think, is that we should
never, as a population ever use
synthetic RNA, or genetic
injections ever again. Right?
Was that a big accident? Or I
know did the people know what
they were doing? Who made those
vaccines and peddle them on us?
The powers that be it was a big
money game for them. And they
made up a false emergency. SARS
cov. Two was never an emergency
for 99.9% of the population. So
they used it as an opportunity
to test out their, quote, new
technology that they've been
tinkering with and always
failing with, and they rolled it
out onto humanity. Like I said,
from the stage here, they would
make Mengele blush in terms of
human experimentation. This was
a horrendous breach of human
rights around the world.
destroyed lives destroyed
businesses put more people into
poverty. This entire couple of
years has been history will look
back and hopefully these people
will be shown to be shameful
like they weren't. That's right.
Adam Curry: Yes, we will have
sub stacks to look back on this
history.
John C Dvorak: And depth for
this section section, the B
block with a C block with a
uplifting, little message
Adam Curry: very uplifting, by
the way, apparently substack
just for your information being
a sub stacker they've gone woke
and they say now you're that
What are you categorized in on
on the sub stack? crackpot there
you go and with that, I'd like
to thank you for your courage in
the morning to you the man who
put the sea he just did it in
crackpot but also in cobalt from
Ukraine. Say hello to my friend
on the other end, the one and
only Mr. John Cena.
John C Dvorak: Well, in the
morning, you'll miss your
morning, boots in the ground
feet in the air subs in the
water all the days and nights
out
Adam Curry: there in the morning
to the trolls and the troll.
It's Father's Day Of course. We
had previous Sunday we had 1989.
Today we have 1618 That's kind
of to be expected. People are
hanging out with their dads
they're not donating for their
dads. But they aren't hanging
out with their dads. Although
there's a couple I saw a couple
of Father's Day donations. We we
want you to join the trolls. I
have not pointed troll room.io
at the new website that Tim Sir
Tim made code monkey, which is
no agenda dot stream it is
really good, very pretty very
fast, very handy. So much better
than that that temporary page
I've had up there for oh, I
don't know, 10 years. So we
appreciate that. So no agenda
dot stream and I will point
troll room.io at it because
that's where you can hang out
with. Well, let's face it more
than one and a half 1000 Trolls
that's not bad. They're all
listening live. They do it every
Thursday and Wednesday. Of
course we do the show live no
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whenever we can we bring it to
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And you can also enjoy this on a
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including the chapters,
transcripts, you'd like the
transcripts, you can read along
with the transcript. A lot of
people listen to the show for
English as a second language. So
I'm actually some people come up
to me and say, you know, I
really learned English by
listening to you guys at the
meetup yesterday. I know. It's
kind of a sad thought. But there
it is joking.
John C Dvorak: There's probably
probably
Adam Curry: in October, we'll be
celebrating 17 years, 17 years
and what a what a ride. It's
been people want us to go for
for more, we're hanging in
there. But remember, it's hard
to do this work. It's a grind.
It's really takes a lot of grit.
And you know, we're doing it for
you. And we can't do it without
producers. You heard we've got
producers who are experts in
every single field that you can
imagine. They've been carefully
trained throughout almost two
decades, to always send us
information if they have it not
think Oh, Adam and John won't
read it. Because we will. And we
always take that information
gladly is very, very useful. You
heard this or Tim does the
websites for us who got void
zero. Everybody a little bit of
hardcoat health karma and
prayers for void he's not
feeling too well. Particularly
on Father's Day happened. Yes.
Some gasoline gastro issues. Oh,
yeah. Yeah, I'll make flu. No,
no, it's a little worse than
that.
John C Dvorak: He'll live ulcer.
Adam Curry: It's not groovy.
It's not it's not Oprah level,
but it's not great.
John C Dvorak: You know, when,
if Oprah is going to make it?
You
Adam Curry: know, we'll get to
that later. Also, we have to
talk about the new pandemic on
the horizon. We'll do that right
after the break. There's a tease
for you, because they're really
pushing it really really pushing
it. And of course we have our
artists artists who use no
agenda art generator.com I met
to one of our great Dutch
masters Taunton, Neil at at the
meetup in here in Amsterdam
yesterday. Of course that all
appears on no agenda are
generated are calm, which Sir
Paul put together. I mean,
really? We do have an amazing
community. Just look at the
meetups by themselves. People
getting together. Yes.
John C Dvorak: So what When did
she meet you before you said,
Oh, I was a kid. Yes, he
Adam Curry: was a kid. Yeah, she
was a she was a teen. And she
gave me a, a, a beautiful, it's
not really a scrapbook. It's a
produced book, which has
scrapbook pages, but it's not
the actual scraps. It's all
photocopied. And she put it into
a book and it's bound. And it's,
I mean, it's beautiful. It is it
is a lot of a lot of my story.
Certainly the days in the
Netherlands. She wrote me an
eight page handwritten letter,
which was just fantastic. It was
just great. It was great to meet
her again. It was great to hang
out with her.
John C Dvorak: Do you remember
meeting her the first time?
Absolutely not.
Adam Curry: But I've I've seen
the picture. And you know, and I
can't even remember the event.
I'm like, what, what what what
was that about? I have no idea.
I have no idea. lost
John C Dvorak: to history. But
she you know,
Adam Curry: she has followed my
radio career and that inspired
her to get into radio. She
actually studied broadcasting
communications in the States for
a year. And then she became a
video editor. She's one of the
first video editors on Big
Brother when the show first
started to Dutch production when
first started here. And she I
guess she was listening for
quite a number of years and
never really wanted to send in
any art even though she has
talent. And I think some of her
early work never got chosen if I
remember the eight pages
correctly. And then she says and
I feel figured it out. I figured
out well She sure did. What is
she on the ranking right now?
She's gonna be up
John C Dvorak: there. Let's take
a look at the leaderboards Adam.
Meanwhile,
Adam Curry: while you're doing
that
John C Dvorak: the artwork was
number six. Oh, I
Adam Curry: thought she was
higher than that. Now, number
one is nicked a rat. This is all
time or just or this year. This
is all time all time. How about
from this year? Can you look
that up?
John C Dvorak: I got to roll I
can do six months rolling.
Rolling six
Adam Curry: month average. Yes.
John C Dvorak: She stirred. Oh,
Adam Curry: I'm telling she's
she's a Dutch master. For
episode 1668 We could have used
some of her Dutch mastery we we
kind of went with the best one.
We titled that one spill over
and this was the the yard sign
the political yard sign, which
said rug pulled 2024 Make Trump
deal with a corrector record.
Another Dutch master came in
with that one. Let me take a
look. I know we were we weren't
very satisfied with the
offering. And we're not saying
that to be mean or anything.
We're just usually the
John C Dvorak: fault of the
show. I would give it to defend
the artists if we don't have any
triggering Yeah, commentary,
though. We did but it wasn't
good. I can't do the art. So
Adam Curry: we had the you know,
this is hard. This is a grind
which was a funny bid on the
show with Meghan McCain. And so
they picked that one up. But
yeah, that's no good. That's
John C Dvorak: no good. The
other one is intent. And Neil
your friend, it kind of blew up
her idea. I mean, she had the
idea listening to you, but then
I you sent me the art the actual
picture that girls in the in the
Apple presentation. Oh, yeah,
this is? It was a joke. Yeah,
yeah. There was huge stove pipe
jeans there. Were there a denim
with sandals. They look like
hell. And they're a high whatnot
or your high water. Like you'd
like to put an old phrase? Yes.
But they're always high. high
waisted. Yeah. So you look like
a complete idiot on the stage.
And so
Adam Curry: I show that to Tina.
You know what she says? Yep,
that's the fashion the girls are
wearing these days.
Unknown: Well, good luck.
Adam Curry: That's what I said.
Well, yeah, there'll
John C Dvorak: be attractive.
The other girls wearing the same
outfit. That's for sure. That's
which I think I said
Adam Curry: at Taunton, Neil did
did put in the Shula discs from
the game, which was at the
meetup, the the Dutch
shuffleboard. Yeah, I actually
liked that piece. It was a good
piece, but we didn't think
anyone would get it. Now the
Dutch might get it, but there
was. I don't know. Do you think
we should have chosen that one?
John C Dvorak: In hindsight, no.
Adam Curry: Okay. But we
appreciate the work of all of
the artists, the show would not
be as successful without you.
There's no doubt about it. No
doubt about it. And we
appreciate it. You can they're
doing this live. So while while
we're talking they will be
uploading art to nogen art
generator.com. Of course a tip
for you new artists typically on
days like Mother's Day, Father's
Day, Christmas Easter, we tend
to go traditional. We're always
looking for something with an
edge but we tend to go
traditional.
John C Dvorak: So if you can
combine traditional with an edge
deals, there's your winner,
there's your winner.
Adam Curry: Now for the so we
all we ask for in return is that
if you get any value from the
show, you know do something back
for the show. hit someone in the
mouth, we asked for time, talent
treasure, you can give us a
boots on the ground report. You
can organize a meet up you can
send us your treasure. What I'd
like to do is since there were
so many executive and Associate
Executive producers who handed
on the spot donations, I'll I'll
do these now. I should just do
everybody real quick. I wrote it
all down. Because I'm not
shuffling through notes. Before
we then get to the rest of our
executive and Associate
Executive Producer. That sounds
okay by you. Yeah, it's fine.
Okay. I'm just asking like a
little meeting on the side
little sidebar. So we had the
raffle that this is something
that's started at these meetups.
It's, it's interesting where
there's a raffle and everybody
puts some donation money into
the pot. There were a lot of
people there so the pot equaled
389 euros and that was won by a
Sebastiana sticker. And he's
from taste your favorite spot.
And so he will be listed as an
executive producer today. He
wants no jingles no karma. Then
we had him Jacobina dame of the
of the doomsday Demers I think
it is and was hard to read. She
gave us a nice card. And 360
euros all this was cash by the
way a couple of people gave us
some actual American money. Kyra
lien may see deer number $100 in
cash and that's towards her Day
a day mode also for her
birthday, which was June 5, and
she says thanks for keeping her
saying. Chantel writes My 50
euros and she wants to deducing
almost second.
Unknown: Can you spend de duced
Adam Curry: rumbled Roberts
hustle Brink 50 euros and a $5
note and very important a KLM
dei pen, which is actually one
of the most interesting things I
received. It literally says
diversity and inclusion on the
pen. I think it's a collector's
item.
John C Dvorak: I think so too.
Adam Curry: Now, I'm not sure
who gave me the no agenda monkey
and I forget who gave me the
Jesus t shirt. But thank you for
that. We got to forever be 12
plus pillboxes from one of our
producers. I'll be sending that
to you, John. That'll keep us
alert and alive forever. God is
a matinee made music T shirts.
No runners pin. Then we had
shady character 33 200 euros so
Associate Executive Producer,
and he has some Oh yes, some
viral viral medical books that
he wants added to the no agenda
books list. We'll do that. No
jingles no karma. Sir. Rome,
Nolan 200 euros Edna Hema
envelope, which was a nice touch
switch roofers deemed to be
Bianca Bianchini and he has been
hitting her in the mouth for 10
years. And finally she started
listening. No jingles no karma.
serpents. 200 euros plus 33.
American sense. You want to
double up karma. You got that
form. You've got karma. And so
that's Associate Executive
Producer his sister Kim gave us
333 euros and 33 cents or full
on executive producer ship. She
lives in Portugal. She wants to
do you spend deed deuced and she
rents out holiday homes in benna
Gil in the Algarve in Portugal.
If you mentioned no agenda while
renting one you get a free
bottle of champagne. Then, very
interesting. Amit, the Israel
Israel lander. Amit is so he's
Israeli. And I mean, he's so
Israeli. John, he's Mossad. Now
you should have said how Israeli
is he? How Israeli is he? He's
so Israeli. If you put on a
black hat and some curly Q's, he
could sell diamonds in New York.
And he and he gave me an
envelope and you know, with the
with 100 euros on it, and the
envelope said, here it is your
Jew money.
John C Dvorak: So yes, by the
way, Israelis don't look like
that.
Adam Curry: Amit does this one.
John C Dvorak: I know you might.
But that doesn't mean he's not
like.
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
roop this is this is what Amit
looked like. But I just thought
it was funny that he's good
look, he said, Yeah, it was a
great look. Finally he says,
Here's your Jew money. It's
true. We're getting Jew money.
And he says John's about time.
He says John, He loves it when
you say someone's a mnemonic,
because it reminds me he says of
his old Jewish mother.
John C Dvorak: So why she wasn't
a nude Nick. Nick
Adam Curry: Ludwin, luxury and
gave us a bottle of her SMPL dot
international 7072 plant derived
minerals. I'm tripping on him
right now. Got an old Amsterdam
cap from Jacob, I think and 33
euros and you need to do
Unknown: D deuced.
Adam Curry: So thank you all
very much, who came to the
meetup. It was great to see
everybody. It was great to hang
out with you. And we'll do it
again in four more years.
Something like that. It's
tiring, long day. Over to our
Executive Associate Executive
producers came in either through
the PayPal or through the PIO
box checks etc. Or stripe. We
kick it off with Pim interim
from Maastricht the Netherlands
four, five 6.66. And now oh,
this is a meetup donation is why
there's well being invited to
the meetup in Amsterdam. I
realized I couldn't show up
without finally pushing myself
into knighthood. Is he on the
list for knighthood? I take a
look here.
Unknown: Because it's not I
don't think so.
Adam Curry: Not blue. Let me
check.
John C Dvorak: No, he does. Oh,
let
Adam Curry: me see what he says
in the rest of the note. I've
been listening on and off and
depending on my commute
schedule, but always enjoyed it
every second. last donation was
10 years ago. Time flies when
being a douchebag when you're a
douchebag. I guess, Adam? Uh,
well, uh, maybe he's just being
he's on his way to knighthood I
think. No, no, no, not really.
So time flies when you're being
a douchebag hope i Adam would
have enjoyed the best limbers to
fly. Oh yes, there was limbers
to fly which is Dutch cherry
pie. Very good from the best
Baker in the Netherlands. And
not I got nothing else much else
to say no jingles or special
night name kind regards PIM from
Maastricht in the Netherlands,
so I'll just make him serve him.
I think he's Yes, sir. pimelodus
All right.
John C Dvorak: I guess it was
confusing. Yeah. Maggie tindora
Finn, Carlsbad, New Mexico 350.
In honor of my smokin hot candy
and avian husband's birthday on
June 20, I am donating 350 for
Martin north to pull them out of
his current douchebag status.
You've been de deuced Happy
Birthday. Keep up the great
work. Very
Adam Curry: nice. Douglas Murray
Missoula, Montana 338 dot 33
first executive producer
donation so it's doing some
heavy lifting. Happy birthday to
my mom Jerry and Happy Father's
Day to my dad. They lost a son
on May 29. Rest in peace and my
brother and his wife don't do
drugs. He says their babies are
in great hands. So send them
your love and that sounds like a
drama. This is a partial
switcheroo please boost my sis
to bear Netis Dame Ellen of the
dream realm. I'd been a Baronet
already myself, but I went all
in on the dame drive back in the
early days of COVID to get her a
ring and never gotten I did
myself. Oh man. You're a great
brother. Please help me sir. Did
you top of the sharp shovel boot
karma for me please? I'm sorry.
I must have missed the boob
karma. Is there such a thing?
No. We don't have I don't see
your boob karma. Rattlesnake and
eggs with Miss cow at the round
table. If I may thank you for
your courage Douglas Murray.
Well, we do have some karma for
you but not at the booboo you've
got karma but I'm sure you'll
get it works with karma. You ask
you receive
John C Dvorak: Connor Balian tip
city Ohio. Three Three 3.69 ITM
gentlemen, I couldn't resist the
opportunity to donate to the
show number that ends in 69. Can
you please consider this a
randomizer donation as I don't
want my total donation
accounting to be that many sixes
in a row? Please also de douche
my friends sir Nick Leary. Ben
de deuced is a night where he's
never been deduced. I don't
think he needed it. Adam, I
think what you're doing with
booster gram balls and Bitcoin
could revolutionize the music
industry. And peer to peer
payments. perfect use case for
bit playing. I haven't heard one
in a while. I'll have to tune
back in. send prayers instead of
a jingle. Can I get an OH NO
from John. Oh, no. Thank you for
your courage. Connor Bailey. In
Columbus, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio.
Adam Curry: Becky, Kenny, Kenny,
and he she is in Katy, Texas.
Happy Father's Day, James. Thank
you. Appreciate that. Please see
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To celebrate Father's Day from
my wonderful husband, Baronet.
Well, Baronet Mike, of the great
Katy Prairie. Just look at what
great fathers our sons are to
see how good a father you are. I
love you honey. Keep up the good
work no jingles no karma regards
Becky Kenny Dame with a great
Katy Prairie. That's a beautiful
one Becky.
John C Dvorak: Dame Greta
Harrington comes up from sparks
Nevada. 33333 ITM John and Adam,
Happy Father's Day. Thank you
for your courage,
Adam Curry: sir Larry Columbus,
Ohio. 333 dot 20. Sir Larry here
Happy Father's Day to my dad
Robert Leary. This is a
switcheroo donation. So the
executive producer credit goes
to him. Also Central Ohio meetup
Friday, June 21. And there will
be a Dayton Ohio meetup Saturday
June 22. You got it.
John C Dvorak: Okay, now, I have
to get the notes out. Once you
read this when he added a note
in front of you.
Adam Curry: Yes, I think I do.
What is my my my my soul? My
small screens, man. My small
screens.
John C Dvorak: Shoot where it
was right near me. And I
Adam Curry: got it. I got I
haven't notes open. This is from
it's this. This is a $300. Yes,
I'm saying that right. Yes. And
this is from Charlotte from San
Francisco. And I have the note
here. Luckily, it's a yellow
paper. Apparently, there's a
post it note. Adam and John.
Listen to your show often and
never feel I've wasted my time
aiming for a dame hood for a
year from now. I have my number
straight. Okay, I hope you do.
Thanks for anchoring so many of
us to sanity anchoring to
sanity. With lots of last thrown
in, keep on keepin on, says
Charlotte
John C Dvorak: the general with
a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt Jen with a
G Gen or Gen Gen Gen a Gen G Gen
Gen with a G A G G and Wyatt
then Liberty Lake Washington. tu
tu tu tu tu tu first Associate
Executive Producer. This row of
ducks is to honor Kyle the spook
A Spokane this Father's Day is
brought more joy to us as a
father than we could have ever
imagined. Please send us more
baby making karma we got that.
Still working on it but as you
to suggested John Adam will be
on the list of possible names.
We love you Kyle. Love Jen with
a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt. Imagine
if they have twins.
Adam Curry: It's John Adams. Or
how about Charles and Clark? Our
middle names is also not good
you happen to bend over kids
here's your bad karma
John C Dvorak: is not the baby
making karma?
Adam Curry: Yeah it is Dane best
not Oh you're right I'm sorry
it's so new the baby making
karma that I forgot we had it
here we go. There's your baby
making karma Come on, baby. Come
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Unknown: You've got Parma
Adam Curry: you put that one
together yourself? I did on
Audacity. Yeah. Cool. That's a
good one. Day Beth is in Tucson
with a row of ducks. 222 dot 22
Heil boys, calling all Tucson
slaves to join us for libation
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This Thursday at Kings crown
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Unknown: Que me to do this.
John C Dvorak: I got de you
might as well you got him open
to
Adam Curry: him. Bang bang to
1875 John Adam, it has been a
long time since my last
donation. Wishing you both a
Happy Father's Day. Thank you.
Did you get anything for
Father's Day?
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I gotta get
from J.
Adam Curry: Oh, what did she
give you? Can we talk about it?
John C Dvorak: Well, it was it
was what she gave me is a crazy
something she saw on Tik Tok.
Yes. It's a crazy Lazy Susan
device that goes onto one of the
shelves with your refrigerator.
And you load it up with
everything you need to spin it
around and it tucks back in
there. It's an absolutely key.
If you have a refrigerator
that's deep like I do. It's the
only way and get to the stuff in
the back. It works great. What
are you gonna put in it
condiments? No, it's all
condiments already. She already
installed it. And yeah, it's
called most economists. And in
fact, in the process of doing
that I discovered a mustard that
I lost somehow in the
refrigerator years
Adam Curry: ago. Any other
treasures back there?
John C Dvorak: Not anything
major. Okay, good. My
Adam Curry: daughter is taking
me on a pancake boat tour.
John C Dvorak: Do pancakes
float? No.
Adam Curry: But they will be
making pancakes while they tour
through the waters of Rotterdam.
Which I've never done. Yeah,
never done that. And it's
supposed to be beautiful weather
when we do it on Tuesday. So
back to Dame Bang Bang wishing
us both a Happy Father's Day.
Please accept this donation in
honor of Sir DH slammer. Who is
a wonderful father and husband.
He will be celebrating his
birthday on 618 So this is a
we'll have a we'll have on the
list. Happy Father's Day and
birthday. My night love Dane
bang bang. Isn't that nice?
John C Dvorak: He will he got
Zedek Gazette is a doc Zadar ZZ
Doc Brown to third. And Maka
Maka Wha Oh. In Hawaii to 1270
and no note NOAC anything you're
used to double up karma.
Unknown: You've got karma.
Adam Curry: Amy Lipinski Cold
Springs Minnesota to 1060 must
include some fees there
appreciate it. Good morning,
gents. Switch route today for my
my excuse me. My smokin hot
husband Dan the man Dan
Lipinski. Happy Father's Day
from your loving wife Amy Lynn
and your loving but sometimes
difficult daughter zayley. Thank
you for all you do for us. Is it
is zayley zayley. I
John C Dvorak: think it's just a
difficult daughter I think a
mnemonic
Adam Curry: is there any other
kind? That's at certain ages?
They're all difficult daughters.
That's what dads would tell you
if they're honest. Thank you for
all you do for us. Dan used
dailies Christmas money on a
donation for me for Mother's
Day. So I figured we might as
well use her birthday money for
it but Father's Day that's how
you do it with those difficult
daughters Good job mom. seemed
logical to me. Anyway, thank you
Dan for supporting us always and
really supporting me in his
first year of running my own
business. If you're in my area,
Cold Spring Minnesota and are in
need of a new hairstylist. Look
me up. Refreshed, LLC. That's
refreshed, LLC. Thank you, John
and Adam for your continued
media construction. It is highly
appreciated. Happy Father's Day
all father's out there from Amy
Lipinski.
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in
Colorado to under seven bucks.
This donation is in memory of my
father, a guy worthy of a Kid
Rock song who was taken from us
by dem aside in the COVID
nightmare of summer 2021. I
transmitted it to him and while
he could have easily been saved
by early treatment, instead, he
was allowed to die alone in a
hospital surrounded by people
who load him to guilt his broken
me and my mom is completely
nosedives sense. Christians,
including myself better wake up
to the reality that you'll be
turning the other cheek when
some gun toting POS government
dude wearing a dress is loading
you into a box car. So I know
the show's already has one bus,
goat calm and God bless you both
John and Adam.
Adam Curry: Wow, I'm sorry to
hear that anonymous. Can be
praying for him. You've got
karma. Wise words, wise words
Eli, the coffee guy, Bensenville
Illinois 206 13. And he wants to
dedicate this Father's Day
donation to the man who
influenced him most. He says my
grandfather Bucky gear Tich
gear, which I think is gear
teach Bucky. He was union he was
a union pipe cover, who helped
build several nuclear power
plants and refineries throughout
the Midwest, and was the type of
guy who could fix just about
anything with a roll of duct
tape, a wrench and a
screwdriver. If you're alive, if
that's a man, that's an American
man right there. If he were
alive today, I believe Bucky
would have enjoyed no agenda.
One of his favorite saying was
kid, look who's getting paid and
that'll tell you everything you
need to know. A karma for all
the dads out there this Father's
Day and remember, it's always a
good time to send dad some
coffee. Visit gigawatt coffee
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caffeinated Eli the coffee guy.
You've got karma
John C Dvorak: then you loop
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Lakewood, Colorado. She says
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Adam Curry: no, you misread it
when you said a great friend
makes it easier. But
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Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs.
That's her job bonus.
Adam Curry: Big bonus. And
finally, our last Associate
Executive producer is Chase
Tomlinson in Austin, Texas $200
an episode of 668 My friend
Donnie donated and credited me
with punching him in the mouth.
While I was happy and proud of
my good friend. I felt like a
douche bag. To counter his
contribution. I'm offering
dueling douchebag donation of
$200. No jingles, no karma.
Beautiful. Thank you very much
Chase. I encourage this
activity. And with that we thank
all of our meetup participants
here in Amsterdam and today's
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Executive producers we
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show. The whole idea of value
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producing episode 1669
Unknown: Our formula is this. We
go out. We hit people in the
mouth
Adam Curry: All right. I want to
I want to hit us with the bird
flu right away because they
cannot stop. They just can't
stop for whatever reason. They
can't stop. And it's spreading.
Not what have some CBS clips. I
John C Dvorak: know you probably
noticed that spreading it all.
Adam Curry: The meme is
spreading the bird flu mean.
John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, for
sure. Yeah, that right and most
Adam Curry: interesting, I would
have to say and I do have some
CBS clips. I know you have a
couple as well, because we have
to stay on top of this because
we were a little lacks. When
that COVID thing came along. We
were laughing at the people
fallen down on Tik Tok in China.
He was all funny. And there was
no one dying and they were just
ramping it up and then all of a
sudden we were locked down and
life change for everybody. But
now it is we already identified
this happening on the last show
where Chris Cuomo started
talking about you know, the the
flu vid and the flu Vax and
should we take it who did and I
think news, I think News, News
News Mac news nation has been
compromised. And this is the
Cuomo show with some feeling kid
and listen to what he has to
say, could
Unknown: we be on the verge of
another pandemic and one that
could be even worse than the one
caused by Coronavirus. This
time, it could actually be bird
flu. Let's hope not. The CDC is
now calling for more testing for
bird flu at America's farms
sounding alarms after several
farm workers contracted the
disease from animals since 2003.
There have been 888 confirmed
human cases worldwide, according
to the DC, CDC, but but here's
the scary part half of those
half of those patients died from
the disease. Compare that to
COVID in which just 0.6% of
people who tested positive
actually died. The fear now is
that the bird flu is changing,
adapting and could spread to not
just birds, but also cattle and
pigs and then eventually spread
from human to human.
Adam Curry: So that's just the
setup. Well, that's
John C Dvorak: worse than
anything report I've heard
because he's used the current
the term is changing. And
adapting. It's not.
Adam Curry: Oh, but it doesn't
have to do anything. It doesn't
have to exist. All I'm waiting
for now is Johns Hopkins. This
one needs to come out with some
charts.
John C Dvorak: I think we need I
think we're in intermix with my
three clips as a Johns Hopkins
Adam Curry: may really you
really have a Johns Hopkins
mentioned I
John C Dvorak: just mentioned, I
think there may be one in there.
Adam Curry: Well, let me let me
get through these. And let's see
if you have a Johns Hopkins.
This is the introduction of a
guy who I kind of had respect
for but I've lost it now. This
is Redfield, the guy from the
CDC who resigned who left he was
like this is no good and he was
kind of in the in the man this
is bullcrap. We shouldn't have
done it this way
John C Dvorak: Academy put a gun
to his head there. Yeah, yeah.
Hey,
Adam Curry: what's this picture
man?
Unknown: Former CDC director
Robert Redfield, who helped
oversee our country's response
to COVID says it is definitely
time to take this more
seriously. And Dr. Redfield
joins me live now. It's always
nice to see you, doctor. I
remember you told Chris not long
ago, that the bird flu could
make COVID COVID look like a
little pandemic, which was quite
alarming. I mean, is that really
the case? Yes, Brian,
I really do think it's very
likely that we will at some
time, it's not a question of, if
it's more of a question of when
we will have a bird flu
pandemic. And, as you mentioned,
unfortunately, bird flu has,
when it does enter humans has a
significant mortality, probably
somewhere between 25 and 50%
mortality. So it's going to be
quite complicated. Since 2019,
we've had a progressive increase
in bird flu in chickens and
ducks and turkeys in our
country. And since then, you've
seen it now go into a number of
mammals. It's now in over 25
different mammals, I think now
with the lions recently is now
in 27 minutes in the llamas
animals in the United States.
Why is that important? Is why
know exactly what has to happen
for bird flu to be infectious
for you and go human to human
scientist in 2012 actually did
experiments in the lab using
function research, which I'm not
in favor of, but two scientists
did it and they figured the five
amino acids that have to change
in a key receptor in order for
us to gain a propensity to bind
to the human receptor and then
be able to go human to human. So
Adam Curry: if I hear this Guy
correctly, he's just saying it
that all they have to do is pull
the trigger the recipe you can
get it from me Chad GPT they
just have to change the five
little bits and then we can have
bird flu. That's what he's
saying.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's very
true what they're doing this
what they're working on is that
like, you know, the Peter
McCullough clips describe this
perfectly, and they named the
lab and the people. He did a
pretty good job of that even
though I got a nasty note from
somebody saying up here, my call
is part of the op.
Adam Curry: Well, he's certainly
well, if the OP is to tell us
that they I mean, what I'm
hearing now because this is news
nation. This is not CNN is not
CBS. CBS is not NPR. And we know
this is the Cuomo show, which by
itself is clearly some kind of
op. Clearly guy can't apologize
for anything. And then take that
with what Macaulay is saying
they are basically saying
without saying it, they can do
it to you. They can do it. Now
what that means is little
interesting because I don't
recall McCullough saying 50% of
people will die from the bird
flu there's no evidence so
John C Dvorak: he's the
opposite. Yeah, he said this is
all the people that is and he
said I'll just reiterate without
him to play these clips again.
He said that the people who died
at a higher death rate of bird
flu are the ones out in the
middle of nowhere China, where
are they handling a lot of birds
and again Depp getting bird flu
and then they never get treated
at all and they're just left to
die and so they die at a high
rate but that's not what would
happen in a normal situation. So
that the bogus that deaths rate
numbers bogus
Adam Curry: Okay, so but but the
idea they can do it Redfield is
now propagating the
John C Dvorak: idea what they
could do is not kill people
whose is the changed amino acid
so it becomes human, the human
transmissible, but according to
Makala, again, this is just a
result in everybody having
conjunctivitis it would be kind
of gory to watch, look around at
what people look
Adam Curry: like. And we'll have
to test with swabs in our eyes,
which
John C Dvorak: that is right. I
forgot about that. Yes, well,
well,
Adam Curry: I think the key word
here is just like we had the
ferrets during COVID I think the
llamas, the llamas are the ones
who look out for when the llama
start keeling over, then you
know they've released
Unknown: it, is it like COVID?
Where if you cough someone else
can get it? Is that how it
spreads? Or does it spread a
different way? No,
it's likely to spread through
aerosols and droplets is how
it's going to eventually spread
mascot. And once the once the
virus gains the ability to
attach to the human receptor,
and then go human to human,
that's when you're going to have
the pandemic. And as I said, I
think it's just a matter of
time. Normally, the five amino
acid changes is a huge, huge
species barrier. So who knows
how long that will take but as
it goes into more and more
different mammals, it's changing
its use of receptors. It's
changing. It's changing. It's
learning to how to use different
receptors for dolphins and
seals. And it's learning how to
use receptors. I
Adam Curry: think seal flew is
cool dolphin flew. I can't come
to work. I got dolphin flu.
Unknown: And it's learning how
to use receptors in bears and
polar bears and polar bears and
raccoons and cats. Cats. Oh,
it's going through a lot of
changes in polar bears.
Adam Curry: There's money in
testing polar bears. I guarantee
you, Susie
Unknown: and raccoons and cats.
So it's going through a lot of
changes. And it's as it picks up
cold and flu middies new
receptors, it can get closer and
closer to humans recently in
cattle, you know where it was
recently described and now is in
the significant number of cattle
in the United States. You know,
I'm concerned about that because
cattle live close to pigs and a
lot of times in flu. There's
been a relationship of flu going
from pigs to humans as it's
trying to evolve wise.
John C Dvorak: China is where
you have this mixture of
livestock we don't have I don't
know of any cop get called
farmers who have a bunch of pigs
mixed in.
Adam Curry: No You're
misunderstanding you
misunderstanding.
John C Dvorak: When he said my
misunderstanding he says that
the cows are going to give it to
the pigs and it's gonna mix up
into a witch's brew of God knows
what is going to come out and
kill us all. That's what I
heard.
Adam Curry: No, you need to
understand the code when they
say pigs.
That's the code word, because to
them we're just pigs in human
clothing. Pigs are all pigs to
them concerned
Unknown: about that because
cattle live close to pigs and a
lot of times in flu, there's
been a relationship of flu going
from pigs to humans as it's
trying to evolve in gaining the
receptors it needs to go human.
I'm less concern, though, that
this will happen through
spillover and evolution are much
more concerned that this will
happen in the laboratory to gain
a functional research.
Adam Curry: I mean, just say it,
they're gonna do it mail in
ballots mask up, flatten the
curve, the CDC weighs
Unknown: in on the medical life,
the CDC is tracking two drug
resistant flu strains. They're
mutations of the h1 and one
virus which was responsible for
the swine flu pandemic and 2009.
The news was
Adam Curry: not stop. I was
there. It was not a SWAT, they
did not call it a pandemic. Do
you remember them calling it?
John C Dvorak: You're wrong?
Really? It was that Chinese
woman if you remember, we were
doing the show. Yeah, it was
that Chinese woman who was the
head of the who, who out of the
blue, deemed it a pandemic? And
this is that flu that came out
of Mexico? I think it was
they're lined up for it
Adam Curry: for the shots of the
only clip I have is this
Unknown: I discovered a new
strain of the flu that has the
potential to become a pandemic
Adam Curry: that it had pandemic
potential.
John C Dvorak: No, no, she I'm
telling you I can do the
research if I have to. But I'm
telling you, she called it a
pandemic and it just didn't
stick the way did with COVID She
nobody took her too seriously.
She's She was just not a good
age who person. Pandemic Okay,
okay. I never was much of one
except in fact that they lined
up I had pictures I had photos
at the Albany library of people
lined up around the block Luca
Star Wars
Adam Curry: to get their swine
flu shot. I remember that.
Unknown: All right, let's
continue pandemic and 2009. The
new strains are more resistant
to the flu treatment Tamiflu,
and also retain sensitivity to
other anti flu medications.
Despite this, the CDC is not
recommending any changes to
clinical care for the mutated
virus.
Adam Curry: So they're just
pushing all kinds of noise into
the ether. I have a couple of
CBS clips but I want you to play
your NPR clips first.
John C Dvorak: I believe this to
be from NT de Oh, it
Adam Curry: says NPR. It does.
It says NPR clip one NPR? Well,
we'll know we know if they go
Hey, hi. Hello, boy. Yeah. Hey,
how you doing Toppy? Yeah, then
we'll be
John C Dvorak: rollin. Oh, yes,
I'm sorry. You're right. Clip
one NPR and D G.
Unknown: Does the US have bird
flu under control? It's hard to
tell even though it's been close
to three months since the virus
was first spotted in dairy
cattle. New cases are still
cropping up most recently in
Wyoming and Texas. This week,
federal health agencies released
several new assessments of the
situation and PRs will stone is
here to tell us the latest Hey,
Well,
John C Dvorak: hey there. Hey,
Well, hey there.
Unknown: What can we learn from
these latest report? What
Adam Curry: are you learning?
Well,
Unknown: well, we got a better
sense of how bird flu is
spreading between different
dairy farms. The virus has been
detected in more than 90 herds
in a dozen states since late
March. Many of these cases were
in Michigan, the USDA drilled
down into what's happening
there. They found it's mainly
being transmitted from hurt to
hurt in three ways. So first,
through shared equipment and
vehicles. Second, people are
carrying the virus inadvertently
on their clothing or boots. And
finally, some animals that are
infected are moving between
farms, there had been concerned
that wild birds could be
repeatedly reintroducing the
virus into dairy cattle. So far,
federal officials say the
evidence does not support that,
based on genetic sequencing of
viral samples. It appears there
was a single spillover event
when a wildbird spread is below
in Texas sometime last year. And
that sparked this unprecedented
nationwide outbreak in dairy
cattle.
Adam Curry: It's really it's
really mixed. Hold on. It's
really interesting, how you
introduce us to the term
spillover, which was in a
totally different context. And
now we both had both had to clip
two clips today with the term
spillover Yeah. So
John C Dvorak: word they want to
put into public domain so we're
hearing it a lot. Yep. And
you're gonna hear it more. So
Adam Curry: and we will hear it
maybe we'll hear spillover it's
time to donate.
John C Dvorak: Yeah. We'll be
rich. So so this makes it now
McCullough in the previous clips
that we played a talked about
they infected some mallard
ducks. Yep. And the ducks are
floating around because how US
you explain it going from Texas
to
Adam Curry: migrate out to
Wyoming a migrate the mallard
ducks are big migrators
John C Dvorak: and their float,
are you but mallard ducks are
feeling all over the floaters.
And so by Meanwhile, they're in
denial about this because they
don't want to push the push it
push back on that lab that
created the mallard duck. And so
they end up with this bullcrap
story. Oh, it's because of the
same equipment and somebody's
got mud on their feet. We're
talking about Michigan and
Wyoming. This is not You're not
exchanging cattle between these
two states or?
Unknown: I mean, it's bull crap.
Adam Curry: How about Peking
duck Peking duck. That's how
it's gonna be. This can
originate from Peking duck. We
gotta blame it on
John C Dvorak: Dexter, one of
the prettiest ducks you've ever
seen in your life and tasty.
They are very tasty. Yes,
indeed. All right. Anwar was
more than now. So there's some
reason that they don't want to?
Because the guy specifically
said no, it's not migratory
fowl. It's as Madonna boots on
the boots on the ground. So this
is not so we know that there's a
problem. They're trying to
control the narrative and
they're doing a shitty job of
it. Here we go beyond
Unknown: animals, though. I know
a few humans have contracted
this flu, which has some folks
concerned about this sparking a
pandemic. Do we have any better
sense of the risks of people
Adam Curry: concerned? It's
sparking a pandemic? John? I'm
gonna put it in the book, man.
I'd give us two more months
before we have real pandemic
noise coming from the Biden
administration. They're doing
it. They are doing it. I don't
know if it'll work. It's gonna
be interesting to see all the
people who say, I'm not putting
a mask on. I'm not gonna do
that. No way. Not gonna happen.
Well, hold
John C Dvorak: on before you
continue. I can go to a grocery
store today and see people with
masks. And a third of the people
will be wearing a mask I know
but if it becomes,
Adam Curry: quote unquote,
mandatory Yeah, I'm not I can
tell you right now. I'll go to
jail.
John C Dvorak: Coded jail. in
Fredericksburg. There's nothing
to worry about. Good policing,
by the way during the last
pandemic was nil. Except for you
know, it was so much easier
pressure say put a mask on it
was self policing. Yeah. Yeah,
it was self policing. We could
go out you're locked down
bullcrap. Just go out. Nobody
cared.
Adam Curry: We knew. We need to
get out in front of this. We
need no agenda shop was some T
shirts and hoodies and stuff
that have a good slogan like,
bird flu question mark. Yo,
Mama. Something like that we
need
John C Dvorak: Well, yeah,
that'll do it. Yeah, jingle
maker Adam curry.
Adam Curry: I'm just I'm just
I'm just giving an alley up. I'm
just trying to get lay it up
here. Someone else has got to
put it in. Okay.
Unknown: Do we have any better
sense of the risks of people
here?
So right now federal health
officials say the risk to the
general public remains low. If
you work with dairy cattle,
obviously, the risk level is
higher. There's still only been
three human cases reported the
most recent one was in a
Michigan dairy worker. That was
more concerning because the
person actually had respiratory
symptoms. I asked the Centers
for Disease Control and
Prevention this week, whether
there were any alarming
mutations in the sample arm
virus they collected from that
person. Here's what Dr. Nirav
Shah with the CDC told me
Adam Curry: just listen to this
Scripps alarming respiratory
symptoms what I mean, I have
respiratory symptoms. What are
you talking about NPR,
Unknown: we didn't see any signs
in the virus's fingerprints that
suggests that you're able to
transmit between humans or from
animals to humans. So
clearly that is reassuring but
without a doubt there are people
in public health who are deeply
worried about the situation
John C Dvorak: Okay, stop and
stop the clip. This is the
classic type of propaganda you
get from these guys. Yeah. The
clip said specifically there's
nothing's going on. We can't
find any evidence of anything
and then you got cut back to the
guy says but other people and
without the attribution are
concerned No, I didn't say go
back right back into the
narrative that you just
described as a script.
Believable how bad this is here,
but this is making me take your
site on this thing to some
extent even though I still think
it's never gonna go anywhere
because these guys are
incompetent boneheads, but okay.
Adam Curry: We just, we just
need some charts. We need some
numbers. We need some. We need
trucks, refrigerators, Johns
Hopkins, Johns Hopkins in
refrigeration trucks, then we're
good to go. Clearly
Unknown: that is reassuring. But
without a doubt there are people
in public health who are deeply
worried about the situation. The
fact that we don't have more
visibility around this outbreak.
Are there unknowns that have
public health officials
concerned? There's a lot of for
starters, exactly how many
cattle are infected right now.
We don't know. I asked the CDC
if we even have some sense of
the trajectory here. Have we hit
the peak of cases in cattle? The
answer was also we don't know.
Andrew Peck OSH roundup another
big concern when I spoke to him,
which is better surveillance on
the human side of things.
pickoff is a virologist at Johns
Hopkins Bloomberg public.
Adam Curry: Johns Hopkins coming
in coming in through the side
door? Well, yes, we need. So
first of all, we know from our
producer who repented on this
very show, what a what a money
making scam the testing is. So
we clearly need to get into the
testing game. Can you say ESXi X
IT strategy? I mean, $750
million, just for a half of the
California the Los Angeles
School District. So the test so
there's a lot of money that's
going to be pushing this.
Everybody sees it. Everybody
knows it. Everybody wants it.
John C Dvorak: Boom, the
blueprints out there. It's we
already saw that it's effective
and safe for making money. It's
safe way to make money and it's
effective. I just haven't
effective.
Adam Curry: I just want to get
in on it. I mean, can we do
John C Dvorak: this? We had to
think about it. There is a way
we had we should be able to get
Adam Curry: so. So the elements
that are missing here. One,
Johns Hopkins in the side door.
So that's a start. We need Ted
Ross. Ted Ross needs to start
talking. That's a given I think
okay.
John C Dvorak: Ted draws video
that's floating around tick tock
waves
Adam Curry: dancing gay. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. And, and the one
with the Zelinsky and McCrone.
That's not those guys. That's
the real deal. And we need Marco
Rubio in there, more of that.
Ai. Now, so we've got we got to
have Tadros that's that's easy,
because he'll he'll just do
whatever they tell him. That's
he's probably already talking. I
think Bill Gates is going to
back off a little bit, but GAVI
will be in there. We need a
Fauci figure.
Unknown: That and by the way,
John C Dvorak: Hotep
Adam Curry: Peter Hotez? Yeah,
he's not dynamic. We need
someone who can do the White
House briefings. Maybe Redfield
maybe Redfield is vying for the
spot. Maybe that's why he's out
there written and Redfield will
be good enough, you know, former
CIA, he's
John C Dvorak: an old man, and I
think you need an older guy
sounds like it?
Adam Curry: No, no, he's, he's
probably my age. Don't say don't
say it's
Unknown: too late. That's really
the critical thing that we're
not worried about is, if this
virus gets into humans, then the
virus can adapt to humans
directly. This has been going on
long enough so that there should
be antibody signatures in the
blood of people who have gotten
exposed. And that would really
give us a sense of how much low
level exposure perhaps mild
disease has been in this
population.
So basically figuring out how
many cases we might have missed
by looking for evidence of a
past infection that can help us
gauge the overall risk to
humans. Picard says, it still
seems that within a herd the
virus is primarily spreading in
the process of milking. It could
be the virus just keeps doing
that and doesn't end up adapting
to spread from human to human.
If we can keep it from infecting
other people. But that's
optimistic and not something we
can bank on
that NPR health correspondent
will stone Thanks. Well, thanks.
Well,
Adam Curry: okay, so how about
the admiral? The admiral, the
one on the dress? Rachel Levine.
Yes. Admiral Levine this
possibility
John C Dvorak: Yeah, now you
just being silly. No, no, not
being silly. Who's gonna take
her seriously?
Adam Curry: two humps?
Apparently the entire government
does. No one sits and says Yo,
dude, stop
John C Dvorak: it. Do it in a
dress the way you always
describe it. No one says Hey,
Rachel.
Adam Curry: Dude, stop it no one
says that in government now they
give him awards. He's a metal
John C Dvorak: Yeah, when we're
all he's got a lot of metal get
his metal
Adam Curry: in his case is
called fruit salad. John. Hey,
oh, a Oh, all right. Now let's
go to the CIA broadcasting
systems now. You know, it's
getting serious CBS and it's
amazing because I believe Dr.
Celine Gruner. Gout Gunder
Gunder gone gounder I believe
she's the one whose husband died
while reporting on the World
Cup.
John C Dvorak: I think Oh,
really? That's the I mean, I
know the guy who just some guy
died suddenly died suddenly the
a collapse or husband?
Adam Curry: Yes. Yeah. Heart
attack. Yes. Yes. Which I'm sure
was from chewing Xylitol gum or
something. We're gonna be
John C Dvorak: sila tall that'll
kill you.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, by the
way. A lot of people sent me
messages the design little tall
actually did supposedly very
good against the weird viruses
and stuff. That's probably why
they want it done and out. It's
got
John C Dvorak: some sort of got
some sort of anti viral
qualities. It also prevents.
It's like it does all kinds of
weird thing. Strange sugar
Adam Curry: prevents tooth
decay. All right, yeah, let's
get into it. Because here we go
again. We're gonna
Unknown: begin this hour with
the latest on a dangerous bird
flu and concerns that this virus
has the potential to become Here
you go the P word pandemic. And
Adam Curry: the P word.
pandemic. Gail, you're so on
script girl, the P word
Unknown: pandemic. Yikes. Yeah,
the h five and one virus has
already spread to dairy cows and
a few humans. So far, there have
been outbreaks in livestock and
at least 12 states. Four cases
have been reported in humans in
threes. Two or three people were
exposed to infected cows and one
person to infected poultry. CBS
News Medical contributor Dr.
Celine gounder is here.
Hopefully she's gonna make us
feel better sort this out phase
Dr. sullied. I don't want to
feel here we go again. But I
remember when he first heard
about COVID. I'm not comparing
them. It's like if you weren't
in China and been to China,
don't worry about it. Bird flu,
there was just one case, don't
worry about it. Nothing to see
here. And now the numbers seem
to be climbing up. At what point
do we start worrying?
Adam Curry: Oh, we're gonna go
from status concern to status
worrying?
Unknown: What really concerns us
is how do you develop a pandemic
flu, it's where you have in the
lab where it always happens. Two
different strains of the virus.
So a bird flu and a human flu
mixing, sort of swapping body
parts kind of like Frankenstein,
it's when you get the Hold on a
second.
Adam Curry: This is not I was
not aware of this process.
Franken flu. So we just mix up
some bird places to
John C Dvorak: thesis about
getting two things at once or
having or being faxed and then
getting it and then mutase this
is a this is a I think a lot of
people would call it crackpot
theory. But
Adam Curry: there's some this is
actual conspiracy theory because
most of
John C Dvorak: the real flu
screwball flus come from, from
China, where they're mixing
ducks and pigs and pangolins and
bats, Hangul, Enzo and
Adam Curry: pinion on China
again. All right. All right. So
but now it's mixing up body
parts. So
Unknown: it's where you have two
different strains of the virus,
a bird flu and a human flu
mixing, sort of swapping body
parts, kind of like
Frankenstein. It's when you get
those Frankenstein
John C Dvorak: body parts with
someone I don't remember that. I
Adam Curry: know. Dr.
Frankenstein went to the great
Frankenstein it
John C Dvorak: was oh, maybe
she's talking about the doctor,
not the name of the monster.
Adam Curry: Well, that's a
common mistake
Unknown: swapping body parts
kind of like Frankenstein. It's
when you get those Frankenstein
flus that you get a pandemic,
you have humans, the dairy farm
workers who are currently
getting burned. That's
Adam Curry: how you get a
pandemic, you mix up some body
parts like Frankenstein, the
Franken flu, then you got a
pandemic. So she's describing
the lab process here. As far as
I can tell, that you mix this
with that get those five
Frankenstein worked in a lab.
And
Unknown: it's when you get those
Frankenstein flus that you get a
pandemic, you have humans, the
dairy farm workers who are
currently getting bird flu, we
have regular flu season coming
up in a couple of months. That's
when the danger could really
emerge for that kind of
pandemic. But just the fact that
they're even using the word
pandemic at this stage. They're
concerned, very triggering to
all it is triggering, but
imagine six months before COVID.
If I had taken steps, then we
could have avoided all I mean,
that was painful for a couple of
years there,
Adam Curry: we need to pre
flatten the curve. I think I
think we need to get ahead of
this. And and we need to have
mailing ballots before the
election, just to make sure that
we don't because this is it.
This could be a variation of the
script. We've got to shelter in
place so that we don't spread
this. At the John, I just can't
help thinking but they are
pushing it. They're going to
trigger it. We're just missing a
few elements. Okay, so
Unknown: have you heard about
bird flu and farmers to most
people? Seems like they're very
isolated. Yeah. How quickly how
widely can this spread? Well,
flu is highly infectious. So if
we're dealing with a pandemic
flu, then it's generally spread
person to person through the
respiratory route. So far, what
we're seeing we think is most of
the transmission is occurring
through the milk through
equipment or you know, other
items that are contaminated with
milk, and then from cow to cow,
okay. But we don't have a great
handle on exactly how things are
being transmitted. We have some
theories, but without testing
enough, it's very hard to hone
in on this is exactly the thing.
It's very hard to
Adam Curry: hone it without
testing. I think that's that's
the next step. We're going to
take Testing, testing, testing
testing, we need to get ahead of
this was testing, it's a bonanza
out some friends of mine are in
that business. They're so smart.
They made so so they made out on
the testing business. They were
testing, they're gonna
John C Dvorak: make out again.
Yeah,
Adam Curry: I want a piece of
the action. So
Unknown: one of the missteps, or
the last pandemic was we perhaps
didn't get out in front of it
early enough. What are we doing
now to prepare? So this becomes
something we need to worry
about? Good question.
Good question. So how do you
incentive? Oh,
Adam Curry: no, that's your cue?
John C Dvorak: That's not a
great question.
Unknown: Don't need to worry
about that question.
It's a great question. So you
know, how do you incentivize
people to get tested? That's
really the such situation we're
in right now. So how do you
incentivize testing of cows? How
do you incentivize with money
testing of milk? How do you
incentivize testing of people
with money. So the USDA has a
program a compensation program
for the farmers, so that they
have less of a economic hit if
there are infected cows on the
farm? So far, that hasn't led to
a lot more testing. They only
are required to test if they're
moving cows over state borders,
so they could be moving them
within the state. There's no
testing requirement. In terms of
the farmworkers, a lot of them
are undocumented. And so they
don't want to be on any kind of
government roster database,
whatever. So unless you kind of
you address their immigration
deportation fears, they're
probably not going to want to
get tested. Oh,
Adam Curry: well, that's
interesting. Oh, that's
John C Dvorak: the switcheroo.
That's been what they're saying.
What she's saying is, you know,
because they're afraid because
they're on diamond. So let's
legalize all the 12 million
immigrants Biden let in and then
we won't have a problem that
stopped us in the bud. That's
Adam Curry: interesting. I
interrupt this flow of clips for
this clip from lawyer Brad
Bernstein or Stein
Unknown: update on Biden's new
immigration laws. CBS News is
reporting Biden's gonna make the
big announcement Tuesday, June
18, at a big White House
ceremony. And here's the
announcement. Anyone who's been
in the United States for more
than 10 years if they entered
without inspection, and are
married to a US citizen who will
be granted a parole in place,
which is a document that will
allow them to file an adjustment
of status application to get
their green card, their work
permit and Advanced Parole
travel permission. In addition,
CBS News is reporting that Biden
will announce waivers for people
who are living unlawfully in the
United States to obtain h1 B
visas or visas, ie visas and
other employment based non
immigrant work visas and we
Adam Curry: have to do it
because we need them to be
honest about their bird flu
status. Genius.
John C Dvorak: That is tricky.
Man y'all so they can vote.
Adam Curry: Of course, and and I
have it. No agenda official bird
flu tester, T shirts, hoodies,
caps, make it look official,
bird flu testing pan pre
pandemic team. Come on, people
work with me here. So are
Unknown: you feeling that if
we're not in contact with farm
workers, or farm animals or farm
equipment that
drinking raw milk
or drinking raw milk? That we
don't have to worry about it? Is
that what you're thinking or?
Well, in the immediate term, and
there are ongoing tests,
John C Dvorak: except for a
second? Yeah. So do you Has any
one of these journalists
actually, actually said the
follower asked the following
question of any of these people?
So how many documented cases of
somebody getting bird flu from
raw milk? Have you discovered or
uncovered or even suspected?
Adam Curry: I have not found any
evidence of this question? Which
by the way, might qualify as a
great question.
John C Dvorak: Well, it's such
an obvious question to me,
because you're as they keep
bringing it up. So why does one
of these quote unquote
journalists ask the obvious
question, because it's
Adam Curry: given it's a given?
It's just a given at this point?
Yeah. Now they've made it a
given. But no, given a new mini
series by Korean John Cena, that
script, the given could be
concerned that we
Unknown: don't have to worry
about it. Is that what you're
thinking or Well,
in the immediate term, and there
are ongoing tests of milk, for
example, because depending on
how much virus is in the milk
supply, pasteurization may
continue to be good enough. If
they not Whoa,
Adam Curry: whoa, pasteurization
may not work if there's too much
virus in the milk supply. This
is highly unscientific in my
book, pasteurization
John C Dvorak: make it up as you
go along people, they get to be
good
Unknown: enough, it may not. And
so there's ongoing testing to
make sure is that adequate, but
if you do get one of those
Frankenstein flus where you have
a combination of a personal and
a human flu, and that's so
possible because that's when all
of us really start to get
worried.
Adam Curry: get worried, GET
WORRIED another t shirt get
worried. I'm making I get
worried. Yeah, bird flu is a
good one, get worried bird flu
is here. I want to be a part of
the testing unit. Because then
you can just have some swabs
walk down the street, an
official looking shirt and say,
excuse me. I think you need to
be tested. You seem to have you
drink raw milk. Okay. You know,
even pasteurization may not
work. So we need to test you
it'd be $10 It's on the spot.
John C Dvorak: Does that include
the phrase I'd take off your
top?
Adam Curry: Who was that guy was
ugly George. When the guy in New
York used to walk around with us
in the days of early cable. He
had a whole rig like a satellite
dish on his head and a backpack
go up to women on the streets
and he was ugly too. He said
yeah, I want to do an interview
with you. You're beautiful and
you take them up to his
apartment or go to their
apartment with his his space
rig. And again to take the top
off. Cable cable was great back
in the days of channel deck and
that day, the days of channel J
in New York. So there you have
it be prepared because they're
going to try and pull something.
Just be on the lookout producers
of the no agenda show Be on the
lookout for Johns Hopkins
numbers. Be on the lookout for
refrigeration trucks. Be on the
lookout for a for a face we need
to face we need a new Fauci. We
need one someone who can who
could Corinne you know? Hey, can
we put a lab coat on? On the
rear admiral? What's his name?
Kirby Rachel Levine how Kirby
can we turn him in or be Kirby's
John C Dvorak: enough of a
stooge and a sellout and and a
kind of embarrassment to the
Navy and he's deal Yeah,
Adam Curry: he's DoD yeah DoD
crank up operation warp speed
too know I mean, we shouldn't be
we shouldn't be in the situation
room. We tell the guys we tell
these guys how to do it. Well,
John C Dvorak: they're doing it
their way.
Adam Curry: Well, hurry up
already. These clips are
annoying. We need to get there
faster.
John C Dvorak: What else we got
here? I got a Gaza update. Let's
get that out of the way. Okay.
Unknown: Gaza
update. Yes. The Israeli
military says eight soldiers
died in an explosion in southern
Gaza today, the second deadliest
attack on Israeli forces of the
war. In Gaza families are
preparing for a bleak eat out ha
tomorrow, one of the most
important festivals in the
Muslim calendar. It's usually
celebrated with big family meals
and gifts for children. But this
year, there's only war, hunger
and misery. The holiday marks
the end of the Hodge witch peak
today with nearly 2 million
Muslims gathering on a sacred
hill in Saudi Arabia for a day
of worship. The hill of mercy is
believed to be the site of the
Prophet Muhammad's final speech
known as the Farewell Sermon.
Adam Curry: That was more
detailed than most other
reports. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: it wasn't too bad
and then that but that's all
I've got. I do have some some
new segment you introduced last
show was kind of our anti gay
news.
Adam Curry: I didn't introduce
any anti gay segment.
John C Dvorak: Well, it was
seemed like it to me. Oh, so I
have this. I have this clip too.
But the U turn. Yes.
Adam Curry: Will play as a great
clip is a great clip LA City
Unknown: Council members you go
soda Martinez and Nithya ramen
were on hand today to help
remove the signs. They say the
no cruising and no U turn signs
were put up in the 1990s to
prevent people in the gay
community from meeting up with
other gay people. I
was also surprised that these
these U turn signs were still up
and at first, you know they seem
a little Oh, okay. It's just a
no U turn sign. But when you
learn the history of it, and you
realize that these were used to
profile gay people. It's so
important that we have these
removed the LA
City Council members say the
signs were put up after the gay
community began to grow and
because there was a gay bar in
that area.
Adam Curry: You know, I'm not
sure what this was promoting.
Well, I
John C Dvorak: whatever was
promoting I wanted to ask a
question of you. Okay, according
to that guy who comes on and
does a little color he says you
know I insurance if you look at
the history, the you know, you
turn sign was a way of profiling
gays.
Adam Curry: How? Oh, well.
John C Dvorak: I mean, because
somebody started and pointed at
the U turn session. Hey, we can
make a U turn. No. I mean, well,
how do you it says no U turn.
Did you hear you're driving
along
Adam Curry: Cruz Hold on a
second. It was because of
cruising because there was a gay
bar in the neighborhood and they
didn't want people cruising.
Yeah,
John C Dvorak: yeah. So how does
it know you turn sign? Profile?
Gays? Oh, it
Adam Curry: doesn't profile
them. It just stops. That's what
he said. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.
Okay, I understand. Here's my
question. Why was there a six
foot trans transvestite? What's
the word?
Unknown: What's the show? Your
boy? Yeah,
Adam Curry: you know, the seven
foot duty dress on your woman?
Yeah. I keep forgetting the name
dude
John C Dvorak: in a dress.
Cross.
Adam Curry: From the story. Our
story our
John C Dvorak: try drag queen
story.
Adam Curry: Queen. Thank you.
dreck. RuPaul thanks troll room.
No, yeah, now this guy would not
be on RuPaul had no panache. Why
was he there?
John C Dvorak: This color to
the? No.
Adam Curry: Because you had no
you had the the feminine talking
guy. Yeah, but then the you had
this this dude in a wig taken
down the U turn sign why? It was
no drag. There was no drag show
there.
John C Dvorak: I find the whole
thing to be idiotic. It's
Adam Curry: virtue signaling.
And But the worst thing if used
Do you see the video? Just get
the clip because I know I saw
the video. Did you see when that
guy was talking about the
profiling? On the banner behind
him it said baby gay. And I
wonder what that is?
John C Dvorak: Oh, that do you
ever seen baby gay? No. There's
a bunch of these gay couples
that have been adopted baby. And
they call it they usually refer
to as baby gay and they dress
them up in pink and they just do
all these gay things with him.
And it's called Baby gay. And I
think is I think there was a
book that was written called
Baby gay.
Adam Curry: Okay, well, why was
there on the banner? It's
because
John C Dvorak: they're so
they're so happy about it. This.
This was a promotional idea. But
Adam Curry: we don't have enough
information. This sign takedown
was some promotion of something
and it didn't work clearly.
Because we don't know what the
promotion was for. There was a
whole banner a backdrop there
was all kinds of stuff. mangry
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we're just
shooting it. We're just
shooting.
Adam Curry: Shooting Blanks over
here. Australia is often ahead
of things we can take the
temperature of what's coming to
the rest of the world by seeing
what happens in Australia. Would
you agree that's a reasonably
fair statement. I think
John C Dvorak: I would, I'm
actually gonna argue with
because you're you have a point
to make. But I will say that I
think a lot of is just rank
experimentation to see how far
people can be pushed. Well,
bingo.
Adam Curry: You nailed it. Your
buddy from Australia, Elmer
Fudd. You introduce them to us.
Elmer. Yes. Elmer Fudd. Peter
Dunstan.
John C Dvorak: Premier. Well,
he's run by Minister. He's a
Prime Minister. Prime minister.
Yes.
Adam Curry: Well, I guess
there's elections coming up. And
he is now saying, If you elect
me, I will make a law that
children under 16 cannot go on
social media. This is this is
the trend. And of course, what
I'm looking for in this trend is
how do we actually police it?
Cuz you can't just trust
parents? That's no good. And
children belong to the state. So
how do they police it and the
interesting thing about this is
that his opposition in this
election is all for it. So
John C Dvorak: I know the
Australians are weird that way.
Somebody comes up with a
crackpot idea on the one side of
the aisle and the other side.
Yeah. At work, it doesn't happen
in this country never has here's
a super clip,
Unknown: both major political
parties throw their support
behind the idea of banning under
16 year olds from social media.
The coalition has been out in
the past few days, saying it
would do this within its first
100
days of a future coalition
government. Mr. Dutton is
promising to roll out an age
verification system across the
country. just
applaud Peter Dutton for taking
such a firm stand on this tell
us how your system would work?
Well, I think it's best to look
at it from a parent's
perspective. And parents want
some rules in place. And I think
we say to people who are really
having a tough conversation with
their kids at the moment that
it's going to be easier if we
have a law that says in the
conversation when you're talking
to your kids that you can't be
on these platforms until you're
16. That's the law.
I for one want to see our
children live safely. We've got
all kinds of rules around what
around what can be printed what
can be on television at certain
at certain times of the day. A
movie ratings. And yet social
media is a free for all.
Here's the Prime Minister
speaking on this issue
yesterday,
social media is having a
negative impact on young people.
I want people to spend more time
on the footy field or the
Netball court than they're
spending on their phones.
I just think given the exposure
that we see young kids getting
now online, it's just it's a
huge and confronting world out
there.
And a ban if it can be
effective, is a good way to go.
Because companies need to be
pressured. And if we do nothing,
the red lines continue to be
crossed. I couldn't agree with
you more, I think most people
would look at
sounds great. I think every
parent around the country will
be nodding 30 And he's young.
But you could also argue a 16 is
too. How do you put an age on
it? That's
a wonderful question. Because if
I had it my way to be Christians
remain over how it would be
enforced Prime Minister has been
pointing to work that's already
underway on age verification
techniques, we
have a huge capacity here within
our system, the technology is
much better than it was five
years ago. One is
kind of a digital token that you
would acquire by having ID that
would prove your birthdate that
you could then take to social
media platforms to prove your
age. And now there is
facial recognition to determine
somebody's age is appropriate.
But you're simply
looking at your phone screen or
upload a video selfie of
yourself and algorithm can
essentially work out how old you
are. Look, I
reckon they can do it. I reckon
they can do it in the cancer
because they know exactly what
we're talking about. They know
what products to sell to whoever
they get, they send a band all
sorts of information streams
they don't like so they can't
tell me that their technology
isn't up to doing this. I think
there are a number of ways in
which we do it. Is it perfect?
No. But is there an option to do
nothing, I just don't think that
is a responsible course of
action. I hope that this is an
issue where the Prime Minister
and I can work together. And if
we show that bipartisanship, I
think it sends a very clear
message to the companies as
well. And we're serious about
this.
Adam Curry: You're absolutely
right, Jeremy, they just push
crazy things. See what people
will accept. And I think this is
going to happen.
John C Dvorak: Well with Elmer
Fudd, that guy he was when he
first got in, he went into a big
deal made a big deal about memes
that involved him. Yep. And of
course, that triggered everybody
to do one and he
Adam Curry: has the CIA, CIA
lady.
John C Dvorak: CIA spook. Yeah.
And so the next thing you know,
this is this country's out of
control. It's no sweat off my
balls. I'm
Unknown: gonna show my school by
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John C Dvorak: a little bit. Get
a rap to show I mean, we have a
lot of stuff to talk about. But
you do but we're
Adam Curry: wrapping it and it's
1130 here and I still have to
find dinner, which I'm sure will
be
John C Dvorak: nice. You should
get room service. Ah, room
Adam Curry: service. Yes, room
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Where are they? Oh, they're
John C Dvorak: an Item No. I
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today's that just easy
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John C Dvorak: Yes, you may as
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Unknown: Right back at your
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Adam Curry: I was muddled money.
Couldn't even hear that one.
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Unknown: hot damn I love you
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Adam Curry: Come on. How's that?
John C Dvorak: Well, you
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way. Okay. All right.
Adam Curry: What's your I
John C Dvorak: mean, bear in
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Unknown: Thank you. Yeah.
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank
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Adam Curry: I think mine is
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John C Dvorak: I think that my
thank yous better than your
beer.
Adam Curry: I love you guys.
Damn, I love you guys. And it's
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I
Unknown: love you guys.
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it's a he loves who? Who, who?
What? Who?
John C Dvorak: Okay, okay, you
can have it but I'm like It's
under advisement under
advisement
Unknown: just JC
Adam Curry: and sometimes Adam
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Unknown: And now John C. Dvorak
with the tip of the day. Wow.
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John C Dvorak: Well, that is
nuts as you'll go nuts.
Adam Curry: That's a great tip
of the day, John, thank you. I
can't wait to go nuts on
AliExpress and that wraps up
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Unknown: a favorite on the
screen
Adam Curry: a lot of people come
up to me say we really liked the
screen stream is so good. We
love the stream so thank you
bemrose and cotton gin for
keeping that rolling with zeros
and bucketfuls of buds. That's
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John C Dvorak: was that compete
with bowl after bowl?
Adam Curry: I not on the stream.
It doesn't. They're never on at
the same time. Coming to you
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Airport, the Amsterdam the
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John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where I'm
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who you are and such.
Unknown: Remember when he said
the United States can be summed
up in one word
Americans a nation that can be
defined in the Civil War as
totally lost see no so
as far as Joe Biden speaking
gaps this might beat that
because he knows so long as you
think about I thought he was
scanning 40
jobs without the DOP. Let's get
his word you started
doing Ella Fitzgerald little
scat or you put him
I have a question for conspiracy
theorists if Adrenochrome was
real. How come it ain't helping
Biden former sentence
foothills of the Himalayas?
Well he didn't take his shot
today
it's like having toilet paper in
your shoe and he told him no one
tells you not to think about it.
This might beat that.
So you know last
longer. What you're seeing is
instead of that
America is a nation defined in
the civil word.
Let's get to the devil orgy.
I got him in scatting doing Ella
Fitzgerald well scat while he
didn't take a shot today,
do you know see No, so long as
America is a nation that can be
defined in the Civil War? How
you put him
John C Dvorak: thinking of
putting up a porn site? Yeah,
no,
Adam Curry: no, yes. Yeah, no,
you know what? Yes. What
happened? In my head
Unknown: Is everyone here
the casting is applied to every
listener and everything at bars
to like every viewer whatever it
is most respected and you've
been doing this a long time and
you're like a clean in this
space
is no joke
I'm thinking of putting up a
porn site it is I couldn't open
it just popped in there one just
John C Dvorak: showed up in my
head
Unknown: She's a queen in this
space. In this space is hard.
Adam Curry: It's a grind John.
We just make it look easy
Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/in
What damn I love you guys.