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John C Dvorak: How Israeli is
he?
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Unknown: Adam curry, John C.
Devora.
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Adam Curry: June 16 2024. This
is your award winning
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combination media assassination
episode 1669. This
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Unknown: is no agenda.
Celebrating
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Adam Curry: dad's and
broadcasting live from 11 feet
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below sea level from Schiphol
Airport in the Netherlands in
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the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where we all want
0:27
to get rid of the term on sweet.
I'm Jessie
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Unknown: Buzzkill.
0:35
Adam Curry: I love it. There's
at least a two second delay.
0:37
It's great. The opening was not
as tight as you think it was.
0:43
Unknown: Okay. We'll move on
leg.
0:46
Adam Curry: Oh, is that what it
is? Like? Yes. Well, here I am.
0:49
John. 11 feet below sea level at
at the airport. And you feel the
0:54
pressure? No, no. And honestly,
it was supposed to rain this
0:58
entire week. Today is an
absolutely gorgeous day.
1:03
Surprise warming. Surprisingly,
yes, surprise. It's
1:07
John C Dvorak: funny. They can't
predicted weather very
1:09
accurately, but yet.
1:11
Adam Curry: I know. I know. We
had we had the big meetup here.
1:16
Yesterday.
1:18
Unknown: How they go, dude.
1:21
Adam Curry: Dude, dude, it was
this is one of the best meetups
1:24
I've ever been to. It was. It
1:27
John C Dvorak: was embarrassing.
The Carnival that they set up
1:30
for you in Texas?
1:33
Adam Curry: It was up there. I
mean, they're all up there. You
1:35
know, obviously Indianapolis is
good. The the Bastrop meet up
1:38
was good. There was 115
producers and they had to chop
1:42
it off at 115 because the fire
marshal said we couldn't have
1:45
more people than 115 and it was
it was good. I mean, we had no
1:53
agenda. Producers come in early
Valtor. And Ruth they they they
1:59
organized everything at this
place called Cafe Dolch merch
2:03
which is really a like a podcast
studio but then with a whole
2:08
like a whole bar and meeting
place connected to it. And and
2:13
they they brought food or
different kinds of curries that
2:16
was pulled pork. I don't know if
you saw it. I think it might
2:20
have sent you a link below
there. No, no, no, we
2:23
John C Dvorak: don't know. When
I was in headlights. I was gonna
2:24
be different curries. You said
Oh,
2:26
Adam Curry: boy. Did you see the
video I took of the amygdala PCR
2:33
machine, one of the producers
put together? No, oh, you've got
2:37
to see that. So it's it looks
like he posted. I think on
2:42
Twitter, probably. You can look
it up real quick. I tell you
2:46
this, it kind of looks like a
little mini kiosk it was
2:48
completely built with a screen
and a receipt printer and a hole
2:54
on the front. And it says you
know, put your finger in the
2:57
hole and then had this it had
multiple versions of it. But the
3:01
screen went by analyzing your
amygdala spinning up PCR cycles,
3:06
sending off your vaccine status
and this whole thing and then at
3:09
the end, says pull your finger
out. And then it prints out a
3:14
little receipt that was your
amygdala passport. And the whole
3:18
thing was fantastic. It was just
one of those creative things
3:21
that they do over here.
3:24
Unknown: You haven't looked at
Oh, have you? Like look, I
3:26
John C Dvorak: don't have a
Twitter account on this podcast
3:29
on computer. I keep it isolated.
You
3:32
Adam Curry: need to have a
Twitter account on your show on
3:34
your show rig dude. Dude, you're
right, dude. They had the roll
3:40
up JCD poster. They had a whole
sound system and Frank aka Mike
3:49
I think he was the he was
spinning tunes everyone's dance
3:52
and we had the no agenda jingle
bingo, which I had never
3:55
witnessed before. But the
handout cards with all the
3:59
different indoor jingles that
I've forgotten, completely
4:02
forgotten. And you know, that
prizes, which included stuff
4:07
like boxes of mac and cheese and
screaming goats and it was very
4:11
thoughtful. And I would say the
main thing and you know, I'll be
4:18
thanking some people later
because everyone heard what you
4:20
said. When they gave a donation
they put it in an envelope with
4:24
a note came up personally, I
think I'm pretty sure I met
4:27
everybody spoke with everybody.
I was there from, I don't know
4:31
four until 11. It was it was a
long, long day, especially since
4:36
I've just flown in from Texas.
But the camaraderie of these
4:44
people here we have no idea how
bad it was here during the COVID
4:48
lockdowns. Remember, they had
curfews and all kinds of weird
4:52
stuff. You couldn't go anywhere
without a QR code that showed
4:55
you at it. You know, you're
vaccinated. And this is a tight
4:59
group. It's so Almost, it's kind
of like they went through some
5:02
traumatic World War event
together. You laugh, but it's,
5:09
in a way, it's sad. It's like it
must have been really, really
5:12
bad. And of course, they had a
raffle and we'll be thanking
5:17
that executive producer later
on. And I would say that too.
5:23
There's a lot of people I met
Taunton nail, Walter, I'll talk
5:26
about later, who I guess had met
32 years ago for the first time
5:31
when she was 13. At some, some
showbiz event I was doing but
5:38
the cool guys who had who had
not met before was code monkey
5:42
Tim, who did our wet who does
our website and also did the No,
5:45
no agenda dot stream and
OYSTEIN. Bear her, you know him
5:49
from, from the from the donation
segment.
5:53
John C Dvorak: I know him from
pronouncing his name wrong. Nine
5:56
out of 10 times.
5:57
Adam Curry: So Matt, imagine
like a Viking who is nine feet
6:01
tall, has the whole beard and
you know, like the red beard and
6:05
the mustache and everything. And
he's but He's thin. He's he's
6:09
really thin. And he's kind of
he's an alien. His dancing was
6:14
more like Body Slam kind of mosh
pits. He's a funny guy. Anyway,
6:21
I'll talk about some of the
other producers who were there.
6:23
Because a lot of people donated
and it was really he was a great
6:27
time. Thank you. Thank you to
the very tight, no agenda
6:31
community here in the
Netherlands. People came from
6:34
from north from south. Some even
came from other countries, just
6:38
to be here. It was great. It was
groovy. So I really haven't left
6:43
the airport. I do have a quick
tab, a travel report if you're
6:47
interested.
6:48
John C Dvorak: I think we've all
everybody's interested in a
6:51
travel report if it's
interesting. Well, it's
6:53
Adam Curry: It's short. It's
it's more because of the just
6:56
how smooth it was. I was a bit
concerned I was flying on United
7:02
Airlines. It was the cheapest
for me to get from San Antonio
7:06
to Amsterdam for some reason,
the price if you want to go from
7:10
if you want to direct flight,
you have to go from Austin. It's
7:12
three times as expensive and
only on delta or KLM. It's like,
7:17
okay, and I looked at San
Antonio. So I flew from San
7:20
Antonio to Houston. And from
Houston to Amsterdam. This is
7:24
the airline that has a CEO is
the dude in the dress. It was on
7:28
a Boeing Boeing triple seven. So
you know, I don't know what's
7:31
you know, there's only two
engines. Who knows what's gonna
7:34
happen. I have to say,
everything was fantastic. The
7:39
connection was smooth. It was I
had to walk about 15 minutes
7:43
when I got to Houston almost
walked right straight into
7:46
boarding the cabin personnel
were cheery and happy and
7:53
bright. Just excited to see me.
7:58
John C Dvorak: It was a day did
they dance? One of
8:01
Adam Curry: the guys could have
I think but he didn't. It was,
8:06
you know, I really expected it
to be bad just based on our own
8:09
reporting like, what was going
on with this airline? It was
8:12
great. It really was good.
8:14
John C Dvorak: Well, that's good
to know. Yeah. Because United is
8:17
the main carrier out of San
Francisco. Yeah. And of course
8:21
you hit the report over the
weekend. Was that the it looks
8:24
like the Chinese have been
selling a fake titanium. Yeah,
8:29
Adam Curry: I have a clip. I
don't know if you have
8:30
John C Dvorak: one please. Yes
play a second.
8:35
Adam Curry: Here we go. Yes, I
got that one. Even more
8:38
Unknown: turbulence for Boeing.
The commercial airline maker
8:41
along with Airbus are staring
down allegations that they may
8:44
have used counterfeit titanium
and their aircraft. That's
8:47
according to evidence from a
supplier that has now triggered
8:50
a Federal Aviation
Administration investigation.
8:53
Spirit aero system alleges that
the two aviation giants use
8:56
titanium in their planes that
came with paperwork that may
9:00
have been falsified. Today's
news adds to the growing trouble
9:04
for Boeing, which has been the
subject of ongoing federal
9:06
investigations for many safety
problems.
9:10
John C Dvorak: You go, they left
out the main part of the story.
9:13
Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad
you're here to tell us that fake
9:17
John C Dvorak: titanium came
from China, of course. And
9:21
they're the ones who folded up
the paperwork. Heaven forbid
9:24
we'd mentioned that. And
titanium we used to always get
9:28
in for aircraft generally
speaking was from Russia, which
9:31
we've boycotted we can't take
their stuff anymore. So let's
9:34
take the fake stuff from China
seems to be more the story to
9:38
me. Yeah,
9:39
Adam Curry: no, that's not what
I that's all I had was that part
9:41
of the story. They did not
mention that and that was it
9:44
sounded like NBC, or ABC. The
news over here is pretty much
9:51
really only two things.
foosball, sports ball because
9:56
the UEFA Cup is on and
everyone's I don't have anyone
9:59
that yours listening to the show
because Holland was playing
10:02
earlier and thinks Slovenia is
playing and oh boy,
10:06
John C Dvorak: oh, I don't want
to miss that Oh, football.
10:09
Adam Curry: And then the g7 a
lot of reporting on the g7. The
10:12
hotel seems to have 8000
channels of news now, which is
10:17
kind of different. You get
France 24 and five languages
10:21
including Well, French,
obviously. But they also seem to
10:25
do a German version, which I'd
never seen before. France 24
10:29
German version, something's
going on an invasion. And the
10:33
news was, except for one report
was all pretty much the same.
10:39
This is the BBC
10:41
Unknown: at the g7 summit in
Italy, the official agenda was
10:44
dominated by migration and
China's trade policies. But
10:48
there's been much talk about a
speech by President Putin that
10:51
he called an immediate ceasefire
in Ukraine if certain conditions
10:54
were met. They were that Ukraine
will give up four regions in the
10:58
East partially occupied by
Russia now and abandon ambitions
11:02
to join NATO. Western leaders
dismissed the offer as a demand
11:05
for Ukraine to capitulate with
key of calling the proposals
11:09
offensive to common sense. So
11:11
Adam Curry: that's pretty much
what that's yes.
11:14
John C Dvorak: We got that story
today. It was Jake Sullivan came
11:18
out so this is nuts. Who would
agree to such a crazy thing.
11:21
Let's kill more Ukrainians.
11:23
Adam Curry: It's so weird
because most of the reports I
11:25
have us stateside, they talk
about so Lenski and 10 year deal
11:31
and money. And they just say you
know Russia wasn't invited today
11:34
Unknown: here in Italy. The
President also meeting with g7
11:37
leaders trying to send a strong
message to Russia's President
11:40
Putin signing a 10 year security
agreement committing the US to
11:44
help train and equip Ukraine's
military. And we have signed
11:47
this strongest agreement within
us since our independence, the
11:55
g7 leaders today also agreeing
to use interest from Russian
11:58
assets to lend Ukraine $50
billion as the US expands
12:03
sanctions against banks in
countries such as China that do
12:06
business with Russia, the
sanctions have so far done
12:08
little to stop Putin,
12:10
he cannot divide us. And we will
be with Ukraine until they
12:13
prevail in this war.
12:14
President Solinsky Chinese
President Xi told him by phone
12:17
that he wouldn't sell weapons to
Russia, though President Biden
12:20
is skeptical.
12:21
China is not supplying weapons,
but the ability to produce those
12:25
weapons and the technology
available to do it.
12:31
Adam Curry: So that was that was
kind of the news over here was
12:34
the although it's not really in
the report. It was kind of like
12:37
well, you know, if Russia I
mean, China, if you still want
12:40
to play with the big boys, you
know, you don't want to get
12:43
sanctioned or anything like we
did. Vladimir,
12:46
Unknown: the g7 briefly became
the group of 25 Oh, Italy
12:51
invited 18 heads of state and
international organizations to
12:55
join the bloc on day two of the
Leaders Summit.
12:58
We will never accept the
narrative that wants the West
13:03
against the rest.
13:05
Turkey's president Reggie of
Thai Buddha one was among the
13:07
gathering, joining a lengthy
three and a half hour long
13:11
session on artificial
intelligence, energy and Africa
13:15
Mediterranean issues. On the
sidelines, he held bilateral
13:18
talks with the leaders of the
United Arab Emirates and Brazil.
13:23
For the first time a pontiff
addressed a g7 summit, Pope
13:27
Francis was invited as a special
guest speaker discussing the
13:31
ethical challenges of artificial
intelligence.
13:35
We will condemn humanity to a
hopeless future if we took away
13:39
people's ability to make
decisions about themselves and
13:42
their lives by condemning them
to depend on the choices of
13:46
machines. g7
13:48
leaders also discussed irregular
migration and how to tackle its
13:52
root causes.
13:53
illegal migration is now a
global emergency. More people
13:57
are moving across borders than
at any time in our history. We
14:02
cannot stand by and watch this
human tragedy unfold.
14:05
After a packed two days
schedule. The Summit has wrapped
14:09
up with the adoption of the
leaders joint communique. It
14:13
contained some strong language
directed at China with g7
14:17
leaders vowing to tackle what
they called China's unfair
14:21
business practices. I thought
14:23
Adam Curry: that was a little
more interesting than just
14:25
Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine Russia
the Pope was there Yeah,
14:29
John C Dvorak: I have a three by
three Oh, hold on.
14:33
Adam Curry: We had some
technical problems so I'm not as
14:36
on the ball as I should be.
Well, do you uh Do you know John
14:43
Unknown: experiment by JC do it
oh no after the bearings Don't
14:47
worry from ABC
14:52
Adam Curry: three All right
everybody let's get it's been a
14:54
while it's been a hot minutes
and we'll see how to three by
14:57
three.
14:57
John C Dvorak: Well let's start
with Selena wind is all about
15:00
Pope Wang on NBC ABC
15:02
Unknown: tonight President Biden
wrapping up the g7 summit with
15:05
world leaders sharing a tender
moment with Pope Francis in
15:09
Italy. leader meeting one on one
with the pontiff gifting him a
15:13
decorative tray with an image of
the capitol rotunda
15:17
at the Vatican. But
15:19
two leaders discussing the
urgent need for a ceasefire in
15:22
Gaza and the war in Ukraine
party with a handshake Pope
15:26
Francis telling the President
Francis the First pontiff ever
15:34
to address the g7 delivering a
warning about artificial
15:37
intelligence, urging the leaders
to put more guardrails in place
15:41
guardrails, saying, quote, we
would condemn humanity to a
15:45
future without hope, by dooming
them to depend on the choices of
15:49
machines. An earlier a later
moment at the Vatican, Pope
15:54
Francis meeting with comedians
like Chris Rock, Stephen
15:57
Colbert, and Whoopi Goldberg
saying, in the midst of so much
16:00
gloomy news, you have the power
to spread serenity and smiles.
16:05
And wit, the g7 leaders here are
backing the ceasefire deal that
16:08
President Biden had laid out.
They say that the number of
16:11
civilian casualties in Gaza is
unacceptable. And they're urging
16:15
Israel not to launch a full
scale invasion into Rafah.
16:19
Adam Curry: So who put together
the guest list for the
16:22
comedian's?
16:25
John C Dvorak: You're asking the
wrong guy Whoopi Goldberg,
16:28
Adam Curry: Jimmy Kimmel. I
mean, Chris Rock, Okay, how
16:32
about to ask any but like real
comedians? How about Dave Dave
16:39
Smith comedian Dave Smith. They
should have put him on the list
16:42
and Joe Rogan could put them on
the list and No, no,
16:46
John C Dvorak: there's Rory
wrong party wrong party okay.
16:49
Even though Rogen is a Democrat,
I'm sure but he has not he
16:55
hasn't followed a party line to
stream but oops oh
16:58
Adam Curry: he's no good.
Goldberg when's the last time
17:00
she did stand up?
17:02
John C Dvorak: She hasn't done
stand up for 40 years Yeah,
17:06
exactly. I saw actually saw her
do stand up ruling when she was
17:11
still doing stand up and she
wasn't that good.
17:15
Adam Curry: You see all right.
17:19
John C Dvorak: She did the kind
of stand up it was a I've seen
17:22
this before where you kind of
make up something and then riff
17:27
on it on something you made up
like say for example, Hey, you
17:30
know when you get on an airline
and and it's funny that all the
17:34
seats are plaid. It's just the
weirdest thing. Every seats
17:37
plaid, what are these guys? Are
they a bunch of loggers?
17:40
Adam Curry: That's 1980s Like
Paul Provenza level comedy.
17:44
John C Dvorak: It's like, well,
first of all, there's no plaid
17:46
seats that I remember. And then
to riff on something that
17:50
doesn't exist, which is what she
her bid was, oh, and she did it
17:54
with all kinds of observational
humor, which was not
17:57
observational at all was made.
It
17:59
Adam Curry: was lies. There are
lies
18:01
John C Dvorak: classic. Onward
with NBC.
18:04
Unknown: Tonight President Biden
wrapping up the g7 summit in
18:08
Italy after a private meeting
with Pope Francis. The
18:11
President, a devout Catholic
greeted the pontiff along with
18:14
other g7 leaders, the pope
urging them to establish
18:17
guardrails for AI guardrails,
FTP, totally artificial
18:22
intelligence. It's a fascinating
tool and also a terrifying one.
18:26
He says the pope using his
pulpit in non traditional ways
18:30
hosting a gathering of more than
100 comedians and actors at the
18:33
Vatican, including Balan Whoopi
Goldberg and Chris Rock among
18:36
others, telling them in the
midst of so much gloomy news,
18:40
you have the power to spread
peace and smile. Oh
18:43
Adam Curry: no, we're lost. I'm
gonna count on those guys to
18:47
sense peace and smiles.
18:50
John C Dvorak: Whoo. If they
said there's 100 actors and
18:51
comedians, why did they name the
exact same three words clearly
18:55
be seen named?
18:56
Adam Curry: Where's Clooney?
Clooney should have been there.
18:59
If there were actors with JLo
Where's Beyonce? I'm not used to
19:06
this
19:06
John C Dvorak: meeting questions
that I can't answer um, I'm just
19:09
either way Did you see the video
of Biden going up to the Pope
19:12
and then banging his head
against him
19:18
Adam Curry: the pope have to
adjust his cap.
19:21
John C Dvorak: With that little
little focus in a wheelchair
19:24
something
19:25
Adam Curry: on the top of his
head that
19:26
John C Dvorak: little vein goes
yeah, this a pope hat. It's
19:29
definitely he banged him in the
forehead and he didn't he kept
19:33
his head against his his start
chatting with him now and was
19:36
very bizarre was on Tik Tok. The
news media wouldn't cover
19:40
anything like that. To get good
at tick tock
19:42
Adam Curry: here on infinite
loop was the D Day video of
19:47
Biden wandering off when those
parachuters Hannah the thing
19:50
that disappointed me and she
kind of showed me her color is
19:54
what was Georgia Maloney doing
going and saving him? Oh, no,
19:59
no,
19:59
John C Dvorak: he likes it. am
I've seen this before Maloney.
20:05
There's also another video going
around with Maloney giving the
20:08
evil eye the sting, to Murcia
McCrone I saw that one, but But
20:12
when she runs into Binus, like
your granddad or something,
20:15
she's She seems very protective.
20:18
Adam Curry: Oh, and then
everyone immediately everyone's
20:20
in on it. So she she turns him
around. Oh, Mr. President, look
20:23
over here. And everyone then
immediately shuffles over to
20:26
stand behind Biden. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, we're looking from
20:29
this vantage point. That's
right, Mr. President. It was it
20:32
was pathetic.
20:34
John C Dvorak: It was pretty
bad. Yeah. And where was our
20:36
final clip was just CBS and
Nancy Cordis
20:39
Unknown: meeting of the minds at
the g7 summit, where Pope
20:43
Francis, who arrived by
helicopter this morning shared
20:46
his concerns about artificial
intelligence, he didn't get a
20:50
chance to challenge the pontiff
urged the world leaders gathered
20:54
here to establish stronger
global guardrails for the
20:57
development of AI and to ban so
called killer robots altogether,
21:04
the autonomous weapons systems
can choose their targets using
21:07
sensors with no human guidance
at all. We'll be showing you the
21:12
data. We need to ensure proper
human control over the choices
21:17
made by AI programs. He warned.
Human Dignity itself depends on
21:22
it. The Pope was an early
advocate for Ethics in AI and AI
21:27
generated deep fake of him and a
white puffer coat went viral
21:31
last year. But that's just one
example of what experts say are
21:35
the potentially troubling
implications. Oh, democracy. Oh,
21:39
Adam Curry: the pope in a puffer
coat is troubling for democracy.
21:43
Biden issued
21:44
Unknown: an executive order last
year requiring domestic AI
21:47
developers to share their safety
test results with the US
21:51
government. The Pope's stress
today that human emotions can
21:55
never truly be replicated by a
computer and as if to prove that
21:59
point. He posted this photo from
his meeting yesterday with more
22:03
than 100 comics, and comedians.
There you see Stephen Colbert,
22:07
Chris Rock, Jimmy Fallon, he
told them that they unite people
22:11
because laughter is contagious.
Yeah,
22:14
Adam Curry: he should have said
it is connection is protection.
22:17
That would have been funny, but
no, I don't want to wander too
22:21
far from from the other topics.
We just want to switch back to
22:26
the g7 Ukraine for a moment.
22:29
John C Dvorak: I want to before
we do that, I want to comment on
22:31
that clip. Sure. What kind of
safety tests need to be shared?
22:36
And what is the safety test when
it comes to AI?
22:39
Adam Curry: Well, the safety
test I'm asking you I'm gonna
22:41
tell you the safety test is that
people aren't confused when you
22:45
use the new what's the what's
the new version of the image
22:50
software that came out when you
say woman laying down the chose
22:54
these contorted three three
armed ladies upside down all
22:58
squashed together? Have you seen
this? Yeah, it's what's the not
23:03
Dali but what's the other?
What's the other big image?
23:07
Journeys one? Oh, it's one troll
room helped me out. It's like
23:14
all everyone's talking about
it's it's it's the whole thing
23:17
is a mess.
23:18
John C Dvorak: It was talking
about Star Wars.
23:22
Adam Curry: Everybody
everybody's talking about if
23:25
there's a will there's entire
Reddit of people. People posting
23:30
these images. This whole thing
just doesn't work. And it's like
23:32
version. Yeah. But what's.
23:34
John C Dvorak: How is that
unsafe?
23:36
Adam Curry: That's what I mean.
There's nothing unsafe. It just
23:38
doesn't work. So oh, it's
unsafe. It's in the lab. The
23:41
stuff in the lab is what's
unsafe? Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's
23:45
not Mira Marathi. Since you took
us there. The Chief Technology
23:51
Officer of open AI. What do you
think the quote? What are the
23:57
qualifications of someone who
was a chief technology officer?
24:01
What are the things you kind of
need to know? Do
24:04
John C Dvorak: you have to have
owned an apple to pay as you go?
24:07
So
24:08
Adam Curry: here's her whole
career. She won a scholarship
24:11
and attended Pearson, United
World College of the Pacific and
24:14
Canada. Graduated 2005. Then she
pursued a dual degree in the
24:18
United States, bachelor of arts
and mathematics from Colby. And
24:23
then she went
24:25
John C Dvorak: James Colby, the
CIA guy. No.
24:28
Adam Curry: And then she has her
first job was, I think it was
24:33
Tesla. So she was in Tesla. And
then she goes to open AI. So
24:41
like, I don't know if she's a
coder, might be by buses. I'm
24:47
John C Dvorak: like it.
24:48
Adam Curry: So here's what she
said recently about the immune
24:51
all the dangerous stuff that
they have in the lab
24:54
Unknown: inside the labs. We
have this capable models and
25:00
have, you know they're not that
far ahead from what the public
25:04
has access to, for free? Well
25:07
Adam Curry: hold on a second. If
it's if it's not that far ahead,
25:11
and how can it be so much more
dangerous? I haven't seen
25:14
anything frightening from what's
free.
25:17
Unknown: And that's a completely
different trajectory for
25:20
bringing technology into the
world that
25:23
we're in. Sure.
25:24
John C Dvorak: What's his
accent? She's got a Canadian.
25:26
Adam Curry: He's Albanian. Now,
okay.
25:29
Unknown: Oh, Albania, Albania.
And yes, we've
25:31
seen historically. And it's a
great opportunity because it
25:34
brings people along it gives
them intuitive sense for the
25:39
capabilities and risks, and
allows people to prepare for the
25:45
advent of this world, bringing
advanced AI into the world.
25:50
Adam Curry: I think I think
she's actually reading from chit
25:52
chat GBT.
25:53
Unknown: And obviously the
opportunity. So
25:55
John C Dvorak: she's saying
nothing. What is she saying is
25:57
opportunity and risk and blah,
blah, blah, you're actually
26:01
using words out,
26:02
Adam Curry: you're using Tina's
favorite word, word salad.
26:04
Exactly. It's all word salad,
which is they probably train the
26:09
model based on her.
26:10
Unknown: And obviously, the
opportunities are huge. Now it's
26:14
normal, that which you are, we
talk a lot about the risks,
26:18
because they're so important.
But also, we wouldn't do this if
26:22
we didn't believe that the
opportunities here are huge,
26:25
Adam Curry: blah, blah, blah.
There's nothing huge. She said
26:29
that. That's what you do as a as
Chief Technology Officer, you
26:33
use blah. Alright, so now,
26:36
John C Dvorak: so she's the CTO.
Was CTO is generally speaking
26:42
are people that can code. Yeah.
Or at least know something other
26:46
than word salads. Yeah.
26:48
Adam Curry: No cheese that
26:49
John C Dvorak: does something
fishy
26:50
Adam Curry: about this one? No,
the whole, the whole operation
26:53
is fishy. The whole all you have
to sign this, this NDA forever.
27:00
And you can never ever talk
about how lame it is. That's all
27:05
it is. Oh, we'll give you all
this money. Just don't tell
27:07
anybody the truth. It doesn't
work. I mean, it works for
27:11
coding. Every whenever I say
doesn't work I give you. I use
27:16
GitHub co pilot it rocks. Okay.
Sure.
27:21
John C Dvorak: I'm sure Adam
crappies adam@curry.com. That's
27:24
the address. Yeah,
27:25
Adam Curry: I mean, it does. I'm
sure it works great for him.
27:29
They
27:29
John C Dvorak: basically,
actually, you're talking to the
27:31
real coders, and we've gotten
notes and you know it now, you
27:33
know, we both know it. It
doesn't work, right. It just
27:36
works. It works. It works. Yeah.
It's useful. Yeah. You don't
27:40
need to fill in the gaps to put
your crap code out for you to
27:44
actually run the program. Now,
27:46
Adam Curry: here's what's
interesting, Martin. He's from
27:48
Denmark, and he's in the
podcasting 2.0 group. And he he
27:52
used to be a full time coder at
his day job. And now he's
27:55
management, probably middle
manager, but he's management.
27:58
And he says, It's really
amazing. Because when I get
28:01
RFPs, which is usually a PDF, I
just run it into Chad GPT. And
28:07
it fills in the RFP, and then he
can adjust things later. And he
28:11
says, It's really weird, because
he's pretty sure the RFPs are
28:15
also generated by a chat GPT
type AI. So we really have
28:22
Unknown: to use a computer. Yes.
28:25
Adam Curry: Yes. Which I think
really, ultimately, the savings,
28:28
we're going to find out the
savings is you can get rid of
28:31
all middle management. Just
don't need any of that. That may
28:35
be where the savings is. And
that may be why people are
28:37
afraid. Because if there's
anything, certainly in corporate
28:41
life, but also academia, middle
management is fat. We can clean
28:47
up a lot of that.
28:50
John C Dvorak: I just thought
oh, that's it. That's actually
28:52
that is worth the price of the
show.
28:55
Adam Curry: All right. Good
night, everybody.
28:57
Unknown: Thanks for coming
along.
28:58
Adam Curry: See you later. Back
to Russia Ukraine. So I did read
29:04
a transcript and I actually
tried to pull a clip of Putin
29:07
explaining his peace deal which
is pretty much hey let's let's
29:11
stop fighting and we'll keep
we'll keep the port and we'll
29:15
keep keep Odessa you know with
the Odessa people they want it
29:19
to be with us we did a vote. But
we want this Don Bosco show
29:23
Crimea that Crimea. I'm sorry.
We want we want the Donbass
29:27
region is an essence what'd he
say? And why? Well, we have a
29:31
boots on the ground boots on the
ground comes to us from sparkles
29:35
of chaos, who says I did some
research and sent a couple of I
29:41
don't know if it's a he or she
sent some pages that I have read
29:44
on Ukraine mining geology in the
war zones. I used to work as a
29:49
geoscientist. So I put on my
Pebble pin Pat and and took a
29:54
look. Do we have the best
producers in the world or what?
29:58
This is this is part of why they
no agenda shows is the best
30:01
podcast in the universe. In the
industry for projects the first
30:05
place I would look for any
international domestic related
30:08
papers on job geology would be
the SPE Society of Petroleum
30:11
Engineers, USGS or state
Geological Survey international
30:15
use the SP great resource to
find papers and information. And
30:19
below is an executive summary
from the last document I found
30:22
from the 2023 report made for
investment opportunities in
30:26
exploration and production made
by the Ukraine Geological
30:29
Society, what are the chances is
the executive summary to begin
30:34
the document list out the
critical raw materials such as
30:37
lithium titanium, zirconium,
nickel, cobalt, Chrome, Mo molar
30:42
molybdenum denim, what is
molybdenum? molybdenum? What is
30:46
moleben? molybdenum is a it's
like an amygdala.
30:49
John C Dvorak: I can't say it
again. molybdenum,
30:52
Adam Curry: molybdenum.
molybdenum. Yes. No, you don't
30:57
know what it is. It's one
30:58
John C Dvorak: of the rare
earths that people use for
31:00
different alloys. It's an alloy
product as far as I know,
31:05
Adam Curry: beryllium. Got that
nailed it 10, top, tantalum,
31:12
tantalum, yeah, tantalum
niobium, niobium, niobium, gold,
31:18
lead, zinc, graphite, and
hydrocarbons. And so the
31:23
document is broken into areas
fields and license blocks with
31:27
regard to each mineral found in
that area with diagrams and
31:30
short descriptions. There's also
some offshore so we see in the
31:35
southern Warzone areas who you
can find rare earth minerals
31:39
gold, lead and zinc, which are
ores and poly metallic deposits
31:44
in about seven fields. There's
also offshore black, she's black
31:49
sea shelf hydrocarbon deposits,
three license areas that contain
31:53
lithium, tantalum, niobium,
rubidium, mica, rubidium,
31:59
cesium, tin and beryllium. Each
of these areas have block named
32:03
etc. This is what it's about.
Now we understand whether Putin
32:11
actually believes that this is a
Russian region or not. This is
32:16
the fight. This is it that they
already divvied up the the
32:20
breadbasket to all the
multinationals, those are all
32:23
licensed out the wheat. And now
it's about the rare earth
32:28
minerals and and there seems to
be some gas and some other
32:31
hydrocarbon goodies in there as
well. No wonder we're fighting.
32:36
No wonder.
32:41
John C Dvorak: Yes, I think this
is the untold part of the story.
32:46
And we don't, it's all
democracy. Well, it's for
32:51
democracy. We're saving Europe,
we're saving Europe. We're
32:55
saving Europe. Russia is getting
a hold of the tantalum boats and
32:58
whatever else they need, which
are going to end the Russians
33:01
are unlike the Chinese. I always
like to point this story out,
33:04
which is that when the Chinese
stole the silkworms, this is,
33:08
you know, hundreds and hundreds
of years ago when the Japan had
33:12
a monopoly on silk in the world.
And because they had
33:17
domesticated silkworms, and they
were making silk and the Chinese
33:21
wanted to make silk. So they
somehow confiscated through
33:25
industrial espionage. They stole
some silk worms and started
33:30
breeding them and they started
making silk and to the point
33:32
where they're making so much
silk that they overwhelmed the
33:35
Japanese market and they became
the monopoly. But unlike the
33:39
Japanese, and I've seen this
before, and I tried to I don't
33:42
know how I can express it
because because it's so
33:45
inculcated into Chinese culture
of best price. They never turn
33:50
into gougers. Somebody has to
show me an example of where they
33:53
do that. They bring it out at a
super low price, and they get a
33:57
monopoly and they never raised
the price. They don't get
34:00
Adam Curry: it. They're doing
something wrong.
34:03
John C Dvorak: That's not the
way the Russians are. Well,
34:06
Adam Curry: whatever the case
is, you would say? We're
34:09
definitely we're definitely
bringing democracy and peace to
34:14
Europe, specifically to Germany,
34:17
Unknown: NATO Defence Ministers
have agreed that the alliance
34:20
will take more of a role in
coordinating military aid to
34:24
Ukraine, the decision? When
34:26
Adam Curry: did you know we've
noticed this a couple of times?
34:28
When did it become Ukraine?
34:31
John C Dvorak: Policy was
Ukraine. Actually, you've
34:33
noticed that more and make it
34:36
Adam Curry: used to be Ukraine?
Yeah. And then it knows Ukraine,
34:39
Ukraine, me Ukraine, our crane,
whose crane is it
34:42
Unknown: the aid to Ukraine. The
decision follows a meeting of
34:45
the Transatlantic Alliance at
NATO headquarters in Brussels.
34:49
pledges for bilateral assistance
will continue to be organized
34:53
through a US led group of some
50 countries. NATO will now take
34:57
over some of the logistics for
delay. During that support and
35:01
training, NATO head Jens
Stoltenberg says the mission
35:05
will be headquartered at a US
military base in Germany, and
35:09
involve almost 700 staff. These
35:13
efforts do not make NATO a party
to the conflict. Our support to
35:21
crane to pole it's right to self
defense.
35:25
Adam Curry: Oh, we're not really
doing anything. We're just doing
35:28
it. In Germany. Oh, man, How
stupid are these people?
35:32
Germans, Germans, you've got to
stop this. This is nuts. You do
35:37
not want that. You don't want to
know being it's do study some
35:44
history again for trouble study
some history. People
35:48
John C Dvorak: don't do that
anymore. It's gone. We were
35:51
talking about gender history. So
this yes,
35:54
Adam Curry: it's Yes. His Gender
Studies is how it's now. The
35:58
we're talking about the 50
billion disagree. This was also
36:02
a topic of discussion that $50
billion that that we're going to
36:09
give to Ukraine, which somehow
comes from the 300 billion
36:13
locked up in the Federal
Reserve's SWIFT system and Euro
36:17
clear that is Russian money, you
know, the theft we've been
36:20
talking about? And you kind of
want to know how that worked. If
36:24
the money was locked up, and how
the how can you still get
36:28
interest on it? If it's
36:29
John C Dvorak: frozen assets,
which is the term they keep
36:31
using images frozen? How is it?
How is it making money?
36:36
Adam Curry: I have? I have an
answer. Good from Jim Rickards.
36:40
And he would kind of know, this
36:42
Unknown: is what's called a
structured product, the way that
36:45
where they're stealing the
assets is a structured product.
36:48
If you go back to 2008, you
said, Hey, you got all these
36:51
garbage mortgage mortgages out
there? How could you turn them
36:53
into AAA securities? And well,
she said, Hold my beer, I'll
36:57
show you how to do it. And they
did. And course it all
36:59
collapsed. The rating agencies
were here's how it works. So
37:02
let's just take the Russian
assets above my first question
37:05
$50 billion dollar loan to
Ukraine, who is the lender? The
37:08
lender is the United States of
America, which basically you me,
37:11
and all the all the posse and
all the viewers and the American
37:14
taxpayers are lending the money.
So the United States government
37:17
is the lender of $50 billion to
Ukraine, what now you take the
37:21
Russian assets $300 billion
dollars, the interest should be
37:25
about four and a half percent.
And I say that because they've
37:28
been frozen for over over two
years. So when a two year
37:31
security matures, the church
should just send you the money.
37:34
That's and, and the Treasury is
basically stealing that. So they
37:38
reinvest it, they go buy another
security. So the interest on
37:41
that portfolio should be about
four and a half percent that's
37:43
estimated, but I'm sure it's
pretty close. So the 300 billion
37:47
is going to throw off 13 point 5
billion a year in interest at
37:52
four and a half percent. And
let's just assume five years, I
37:55
think it doesn't matter. That's
a reasonable estimate. That's
37:57
$67.5 billion of interest over
five years. Now let's look at
38:04
the Russian assets as look at
the loan $50 billion loan us as
38:08
the lender, so I'm assuming the
same four and a half percent,
38:10
that's the rate on five year,
approximately five year US
38:15
Treasury notice that that the
interest on that is two and a
38:18
quarter billion per year, times
five years is 11 and a quarter
38:22
billion, and you have to pay
back the 50 billion of
38:25
principal, so you're gonna need
61 and a quarter billion dollars
38:29
at the end of five years to pay
back the principal and the
38:31
interest on the loan. So okay,
we're gonna steal 67 billion
38:35
approximately, from the Russian
interest. And that's enough to
38:39
pay for the 61.2 5 billion on
the loan. So basically, the loan
38:45
is going to be made, it's going
to accrue interest, it's gonna
38:48
get repaid, it's gonna get
repaid from the Russian assets.
38:52
But the Russian assets happen to
be six times larger than the
38:55
loan, at least for now. And it
will produce enough interest to
38:58
pay off this loan. So the g7
they're gonna say, well, we're
39:01
not stealing the Russian assets.
We're just taking the interest.
39:05
And then the loans separate.
This is why I say it's a
39:08
structured product one separate
and we'll use the interest to
39:10
pay off the loan less by the
Ukraine was the word no worries,
39:14
we'll just hit hit a brush
corroboration which is
39:16
delusional, but that's the way
they think. So
39:21
Adam Curry: we're kind of
stealing it from us. You know,
39:24
what
39:24
John C Dvorak: was the audience
with that one?
39:25
Adam Curry: No, I don't think
so. I think a lot of people got
39:27
that. The whole the whole thing
is crooked.
39:32
Unknown: It's why it's gambling.
39:35
Adam Curry: But it's our money.
I mean, I mean, they're in
39:39
essence they're printing it
39:41
John C Dvorak: right? Now
actually selling the books. It's
39:44
real money up well, yeah,
39:46
Adam Curry: they make it up
right.
39:48
John C Dvorak: Russians money
and then we're kind of stealing
39:50
the money that loaning it to
Ukraine. Getting money back.
39:53
We're probably probably making
out in the deal. Probably what
39:57
am I what am I thinking we're
making out on?
39:59
Adam Curry: I don't know if it's
You and I, John someone's making
40:01
out on the deal we're not making
anything
40:03
John C Dvorak: on the deal
that's for sure. And the guys
40:06
who are losing their assets or
their you or the other Ukrainian
40:10
soldiers and women and men are
all getting killed chopped up
40:13
now to buy the machine so it was
somebody he gets a beryllium
40:21
Adam Curry: is that the most
important one? I kind of liked
40:23
the molybdenum molybdenum. Yeah,
that's exactly right. That's the
40:29
one I like the molybdenum is the
one I'm going for it Ba ba ba ba
40:34
scat. Is there any news? Because
I did get a a thing from Turkish
40:42
Radio Television. Is there any
news about the expiration of our
40:45
deal with Saudi Arabia? Is that
being discussed anywhere?
40:49
John C Dvorak: None zip it just
was mentioned. We haven't said
40:52
anything about I think it's I
don't believe that the deals is
40:55
fully in play. Well, I think
it's a bluff or some sort Well,
40:59
listen to
41:00
Unknown: this is the reign of
the US dollar and global trade
41:02
under an existential threat.
This may well be the case
41:05
because a critical decade's long
deal between Saudi Arabia and
41:08
the US known as the petro dollar
deal expired on June 8. The deal
41:17
was originally signed on June
8 1974. It's through it the US
41:21
agreed to buy oil from Saudi
Arabia and exchange for military
41:24
aid and equipment while the
Saudis would invest their petro
41:27
dollar revenue back into the US
economy. In other words, Petro
41:31
dollars or US dollars in
exchange for crude oil exports.
41:35
The expiry of a deal now allow
Saudi Arabia to send us oil in
41:38
multiple different currencies,
such as the Chinese renminbi,
41:42
and Yuan, the euro and the
British pound as well as crypto
41:46
currencies like Bitcoin. vital
to the US as global economic
41:53
influence, the expiry of a
collapse of the deal is expected
41:57
to impact the US dollar value
and its dominance in global
42:00
trade. As experts now also
particular Saudi Arabia is
42:04
intending to end this
association with USD following
42:07
his entry into bricks, which
seeks to prioritize trade in
42:10
local currencies, with Russia
and Saudi Arabia now vying to
42:14
move away from trading and USD
will the global dominance of the
42:17
dollar, which is still the most
dominant currency in the world
42:20
be coming to an end.
42:23
Adam Curry: So I kind of
understand what they're saying
42:25
the deal, I guess it was a 50
year deal. It just ended. And
42:30
they have to do it. And they
haven't really they could redo
42:32
it. But do you see and they're
there with the Pope. And
42:36
probably here's
42:36
John C Dvorak: the problem was
mentioned very early in that
42:38
report. The problem for Saudi
Arabia is the whole thing was
42:43
contingent on them buying our
armaments, and they're loaded to
42:46
the gills with our gear. Yeah.
And they can't all of a sudden,
42:51
just stiff us and expect that
gear to get repaired ever again,
42:55
or to have us protect them.
Yeah, or have us protect him. So
42:59
that's not going I said, No,
this is an overly drip
43:02
dramatized problem that may go
away. In due course, she wants
43:07
so it's like it gets out of us
so positive.
43:11
Adam Curry: Not only is the deal
going to be re upped but Biden's
43:14
not going to win. You're very
positive. You're the guy. I'm
43:17
John C Dvorak: not that positive
about Biden not winning. No, I
43:19
have a series of clips. Yes.
43:21
Adam Curry: You know, we've
we've Robert Epstein was in play
43:27
during the the 2020 election as
well.
43:31
John C Dvorak: Yes, in fact, I
have all those clips. But I
43:34
should mention that Robert
Epstein kind of dropped off the
43:36
radar. His wife
43:37
Adam Curry: got killed in a
horrible accident. His
43:40
John C Dvorak: wife got killed.
Yeah. Even though he thought he
43:44
was, you know, targeted, and the
wife got killed a miserable car
43:49
wreck of some sort. Same thing
happened to Joe Biden's first
43:54
wife. So you don't know what's
going on there. But that was
43:59
Adam Curry: Robert, keep your
eye on Jill. And that's what you
44:01
want to do. So
44:04
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of
different not that long. A
44:06
couple of one of them is. But
this Robert Epstein. Robert
44:09
Epstein is what it's actually
he's pretty well introduced
44:13
here. He's the guy who who've,
who uses a technique to spy on
44:19
Google, of having edits
explained in these clips to have
44:25
a whole bunch of people and not
net. They're not anonymous.
44:28
They're real people that Google
has been tracking. And he also
44:32
says that everyone who's been on
Google For 20 years will have 3
44:34
million pages of data on them in
a database someplace. Every
44:39
every person. Yeah, everyone. If
you've been on Google for 20
44:42
years, you'll have 3 million
pages of documentation. Done a
44:47
four size or legal letter is
probably a four. Because Google
44:52
you know, they're they're
cosmopolitan as they are Cosmo.
44:56
Let's start with Robert Epstein.
One
44:58
Unknown: that would be Dr. Rob
Bert Epstein, who is the head of
45:01
the American Institute for
Behavioral Research and
45:05
Technology, where
45:06
Adam Curry: who's who did this
interview?
45:08
John C Dvorak: This came from?
Epstein. Yes.
45:11
Adam Curry: Right. You don't
want to say Epstein you want to
45:13
say Epstein Epstein?
45:14
John C Dvorak: Yes. This came
from the Michael Knowles podcast
45:19
called Pure talk, podcast, a
podcast on YouTube, I did send
45:25
you a link to it. So it could be
in the show notes.
45:27
Adam Curry: It is in the show
notes.
45:28
Unknown: Also the former editor
in chief of Psychology Today,
45:32
and holds a PhD from Harvard.
But despite that, actually has
45:36
had a great career and has
aroused the hire of many, many
45:40
powerful people, including the
biggest corporation ever.
45:44
Google. Dr. Epstein, thank you
for being here. I want to get to
45:48
so much I actually want to get
to some of your other areas of
45:50
research, because you are not
just a guy who gives testimony
45:56
and goes on interviews and talks
about big tech. You are a very
46:01
serious person with a very
lengthy career, and all sorts of
46:06
credentials and publications. I
do want to begin though you do
46:09
with this Google elections
question How bad is it's
46:14
much worse than you think. So
however bad you think it is,
46:19
it's much worse. So I can just
give you two numbers. And maybe
46:23
that will summarize it for you.
Google alone in this year's
46:27
presidential election. If we
don't do some extraordinary
46:30
things to stop them, which might
be impossible. Google alone will
46:34
be able to shift between six
point 4,000,025 point 5 million
46:42
votes in the presidential
election. Generally speaking,
46:46
with no one having the slightest
idea that they've been
46:50
manipulated. And generally
speaking, without leaving a
46:55
paper trail for authorities to
trace, I think
46:58
Adam Curry: he had similar
numbers. The you know, in the
47:00
2020 election, I think he had
similar type numbers of what
47:04
Google could shift.
47:06
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he might
have He says his worse now than
47:08
it was before.
47:12
Adam Curry: So well, why is the
question
47:15
John C Dvorak: there? Democrats,
you saw Sergey Brin in tears
47:18
when Trump? No, I know
47:20
Adam Curry: that. But what what
is the mechanism? What are they
47:23
doing? Oh, yeah, he tries to, he
47:25
John C Dvorak: tries to bring
some of it out. The mechanism
47:30
is? Well, I mean, I wrote a
column with my last substack
47:34
column shows you some evidence
of the mechanism is like, if you
47:37
do a search on Donald Trump
donations, you'll, you won't get
47:43
the Donald Trump donation site.
But if you put Joe Biden
47:45
donations that comes right at
the top, okay, that's one that's
47:48
manipulation of the way the
information is presented some
47:52
subtle manipulation. But as
you're here, more and more of
47:55
what he has to say, you can see,
yes, it adds up. It's like real
47:59
money at the end of the day,
you're is that
48:01
Unknown: because of the number
of Democrats and Republicans
48:04
using it? Or is that because of
who's getting the notifications?
48:07
Now?
48:07
We're talking about proportions
here. I'm saying that
48:10
proportionally speaking, I'm
saying that Democrats are
48:14
getting those reminders at two
and a half times the rate that
48:18
results?
48:21
Adam Curry: Yes, clip two. Okay.
Robert Epstein to right.
48:25
Unknown: Now that's happening.
That's a very short one.
48:29
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was
the discus. Um, it's
48:31
interesting, though, that well,
that was an exponent explanatory
48:35
except for the fact that the
Google sends out a reminder to
48:40
register to vote at a rate two
and a half times greater to
48:44
Democrats than they do to
Republicans. And they determine
48:49
who if you're Republican or
Democrat, by your searches. And
48:52
by your by your email, or what
you use when you use Google,
48:55
everyone uses Google email, I
think 80% of our audience does.
48:59
And so if you're like, 80% of
the audience, you're getting the
49:02
no agenda newsletter, for
example, you're probably not a
49:04
Democrat. And so you get
categorized such, probably,
49:09
Adam Curry: from time to time,
don't receive the no agenda
49:11
newsletter for above worries,
yes,
49:13
John C Dvorak: yes, that
happens. A lot has happened. And
49:16
particularly when I was critical
of Google and one of the
49:18
newsletters that was getting go
to three, it,
49:21
Unknown: it almost makes me want
to throw my hands in the air and
49:24
say, this corporation is so
powerful, they control
49:27
everything. I'm not a major
research psychologist, so I
49:33
don't look into that. But the
moment you start to look into
49:35
these things, you say, Oh, well,
look, the situation is even
49:38
worse than you thought it was.
Just
49:40
to drive this point home. If
Google is doing something like
49:43
that, which they are because
we're measuring it right. And
49:46
then at some point, they're
going to send out partisan
49:49
mailing your ballot reminders
and at some point, they're going
49:52
to send out partisan go vote
reminders, and they're also
49:57
stacking the deck in their
search results. So the search
50:01
results are highly biased, I can
actually send your audience to a
50:05
web page. And actually, you can
actually see what the bias is
50:08
right now. And on Google search
results, how does one calculate
50:12
how does one we will we right
now are collecting data with
50:17
their permission, through the
computers of more than 14,000
50:21
registered voters in all 50
states politically balanced? And
50:25
all that information coming into
the computers of real people we
50:29
are aggregating in real time and
analyzing in real time regarding
50:33
bias while we're looking at the
web pages that Google is sending
50:37
people to. And we're using three
different organizations, ratings
50:42
of political bias, taking the
mean, and then calculating a
50:47
mean for each search position in
Google search results. So I hope
50:51
I'm not being too detailed here.
But no, no, the point is, we can
50:55
measure very precisely whether
there is bias in Google search
51:00
results. And there's
extraordinary bias in Google
51:04
search results sufficient to
shift millions of votes in this
51:08
year's election.
51:10
Adam Curry: I remember how he
does this, because he said, It's
51:13
all ephemeral. So He equips like
hundreds of people, I think,
51:17
with a tracking device, 14,000
focac, 14,000. And that's how
51:22
he's able to track the the bias
that Google puts in, that he saw
51:27
he throws out that number 4
million to 20 million. Do you
51:31
really, I mean, does he have any
data to back up that that will
51:34
serve? He
51:35
John C Dvorak: does a
statistical analysis of what
51:37
he's seeing with the 14,000
people? 7000 Republicans, 7000
51:41
Democrats, and he extrapolates
and he does it in a way that is
51:45
that is statistically sound.
Okay. So that's where he's doing
51:49
that. And he has other details
in terms of how many people you
51:52
because you just extrapolate if
you have, you know, he's only
51:55
looking at 14,000 computers, but
like he says in, I think the
51:59
next clip, 500 million people
are hitting Google daily, you
52:04
Adam Curry: know, but not only
in the United States, really,
52:06
John C Dvorak: in the United
States. All looked at number
52:10
three, you're gonna say, Who's
that worldwide? board after
52:13
dinner table?
52:14
Adam Curry: They're all looking
for AOC porn videos. But yeah,
52:17
I'm sure I'm sure.
52:20
Unknown: Democrat, what we have
learned to do is to monitor them
52:24
the way they monitor us. We're
surveilling them. We're
52:27
collecting data that they are
sending to real people. And by
52:31
the way, that's the only way to
see what they're really doing.
52:34
You have to look over the
shoulders of real people.
52:38
Because all the content is
personalized. You can't use an
52:41
anonymized computer as the
economist did. And a study, as
52:45
some folks at Stanford
University did in this study.
52:47
You can't use an anonymized
computer. Because Google sees
52:51
that as a bot. They see it as a
non person, they know it's not a
52:55
real person, because they don't
have that huge pile of
52:58
information. There's no real
person would be anonymous, all
53:01
content is personalized, right.
So if they're sending content to
53:04
a non person, guess what? It's
unbiased, right? So people have
53:08
conducted silly studies saying
Google is not biased against
53:13
conservatives or anyone else.
Because look, we did this study
53:16
with an anonymized computer. And
we're getting back clean, clean,
53:20
clean data. Yes, that's right.
That's true. Back, I can
53:24
demonstrate it for you. That's
actually true. But who cares?
53:27
That's not what the data we're
getting. The data we're getting
53:30
is personalized. So we are
looking over the shoulders of a
53:34
very large number of registered
voters. And they're real people
53:37
and Google, Google cannot
identify them. And that's how
53:41
you see what they're sending.
Okay.
53:45
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says
Google can't identify me means
53:47
Google can identify them as
stooges.
53:50
Unknown: I understand. All
right. Okay, let's go to clip
53:52
five,
53:53
John C Dvorak: I think we have
been monitored. This is why
53:55
their way this is a good clip,
go as opposed to those first for
53:59
those of those who are good,
too. But this is like really
54:02
good. This is the money shot
people. We have been
54:04
Unknown: monitoring, building
bigger and bigger monitoring
54:06
systems since 2016. And 2020, we
had a pretty big system in place
54:11
for the first time. So we
actually captured 1.5 million
54:16
ephemeral experiences. That's
what Google calls them. On
54:21
Google and other platforms, we
were very, very rapidly
54:25
analyzing our data. We were
seeing very extreme political
54:30
bias on Google, but not on Bing
or Yahoo. And that's important
54:34
for comparison purposes. And
this time around, I thought,
54:38
we're not going to wait till
after the election, so I didn't
54:40
want to I was reluctant to ever
to reveal this what we what we
54:44
knew before the election,
because I was afraid Donald
54:46
Trump might not think that much
of I mean, I'm amazed by him.
54:51
Yes, but I don't think much of
him, but I was afraid he would
54:53
take our data run to the Supreme
Court and shut down the country.
54:57
But we had found such
incriminate Eating data in 2020.
55:02
That few days before the
election, I contacted a reporter
55:05
I knew at the New York Post, I
said here, I'm going to send you
55:08
a bunch of stuff. Look at it. I
said, You just had a front cover
55:12
story on the Hunter Biden
laptop, I said, this will be
55:15
your next front cover story.
This is about large scale
55:20
rigging of the current election.
She was tremendously dubious.
55:25
And then she looked at all the
stuff I sent her and she got the
55:28
assignment, she wrote up the
piece, she called me up. This is
55:32
Friday, before the Tuesday
election, she read me parts of
55:35
the piece, this was gonna be the
front cover. It was fabulous.
55:38
Because it was about rigging,
but with real data, right,
55:41
showing real data.
55:42
Adam Curry: Alright, hold on a
sec. So what Google is doing
55:48
here may spur on people to
register to vote or to send in
55:52
their vote. It seems to me like
it's not going to sway anyone
55:57
from one side to the to the
other. I don't know about the
56:00
independence and how important
that is. thing people may have
56:04
kind of made up their mind. So
what he's saying here is stupid
56:08
journalists. They're influenced
by it. And the media portion is
56:13
influenced by it. But do you
think at this point that that
56:15
makes any difference for how
people are going to vote? Will
56:19
it sway anyone one way or the
other is is just purely about
56:23
the the turnout.
56:26
John C Dvorak: It has a lot to
do with the turnout, but it but
56:29
like he says if your rigging the
results, in other words, if you
56:32
if you are on the fence and
you're looking for something
56:36
that is like, anti Biden
material, and they won't give it
56:40
to you, alright, that's going to
sway Okay, so many people see
56:44
the Biden roaming around clip,
you know? Yeah. Well, let's
56:51
continue this, and then you can
discuss at the end, but this is
56:55
the kicker to what he just said
is the next clip,
56:58
Unknown: then her editor as a
matter of course, this is not
57:02
nothing unusual, called Google
for comment. She called me up
57:06
later that day, and she said, I
am so mad. She didn't use that
57:10
word. She used another word,
little saucy. And she said,
57:14
Well, New York journalists. So
she said, your piece just got
57:19
killed. I said what I said,
You're the New York Post, you
57:23
broke the hunter. She said,
Yeah. But we get a lot of
57:28
traffic from Google, which I
look up at that time, they were
57:31
getting about 45% of their
traffic from Google. Now, if you
57:35
try to look that up, you can't
even look that up anymore.
57:38
Google has made that information
disappear. But the New York Post
57:44
it's true at that time was
getting a lot of their traffic
57:46
from Google so they could not
afford to run the story.
57:50
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's a
good point. So the New York Post
57:53
is a compromised piece of crap.
57:55
John C Dvorak: Everybody is not
us, baby. No, it's because we
57:59
were starving to death. Here you
go. So
58:05
Adam Curry: I can't believe it.
It's so hard and we're starving,
58:08
John C Dvorak: is here the final
kick and provided a way that the
58:13
thing was being as shown in the
column I just did or did last
58:18
week for substack. Bing is way
off to off track. Now they, if
58:23
you look at their Biden versus
Trump searches, they put is a
58:28
promotion for Biden being even
though maybe in 2010 2020, there
58:32
wasn't so much of this word
being he says Yahoo. Yeah, but
58:36
now there's tons it is just Pro,
the Bing site is so pro Biden is
58:42
ridiculous. So again,
58:43
Adam Curry: it may sway some
Well, yes. I think all of
58:49
America at this point, see
something's wrong with Joe
58:51
Biden, but I can see where
independents are people who are
58:54
on the fence. How big is that
group? Really.
58:58
John C Dvorak: It's about a
third of the voters. Really,
59:01
Adam Curry: a third of voters is
actually
59:03
John C Dvorak: 3535. And the
nemorosa were independents.
59:06
Okay. All right. So here we go
into final kicker of the kicker,
59:10
and
59:11
Adam Curry: the kicker of the
kicker is football.
59:13
Unknown: So I sent it off to Ted
Cruz. And on November 5, two
59:18
days after the election, Ted
Cruz with two other senators
59:22
sent a very threatening letter
to the CEO of Google. So there's
59:26
this right after the election
saying, and and it goes on and
59:30
on about what Epstein has found.
And how do you account for this?
59:35
You testified before Congress
saying you don't interfere with
59:38
elections? And guess what
happened on November 5 of 2020.
59:43
Wade crews got a car accident,
Google, Google turned off all of
59:48
their manipulations. Now you're
saying Wait, this is after the
59:52
election? Who cares? Because
Georgia where we had more than
59:55
1000 We call them field agents.
Yeah. So we were we were
59:58
collecting content Through the
computers of more than 1000
1:00:02
registered voters all over
Georgia, Georgia was gearing up
1:00:05
to have two Senate runoff
election Leffler
1:00:09
and Purdue. I went I went down
for those races. Well, on
1:00:13
November 5, Google shut off
their partisan go vote
1:00:17
reminders. No one from that day
forward until that election, no
1:00:21
one in Georgia. Gotta go vote
reminder, nobody. They turned
1:00:26
off the bias in the search
results, which I thought would
1:00:32
be impossible. How could you you
just can't turn off bias. I have
1:00:37
since learned through documents
from the company that were that
1:00:40
were taken out of the company.
I've learned from a
1:00:42
whistleblower that in fact, they
can turn bias on and off, like
1:00:47
flipping a light switch. That is
a quote from Zack Vorhees.
1:00:53
Adam Curry: Who's Zack for he's
1:00:56
John C Dvorak: as the Google
whistleblower? Oh, of course,
1:00:58
you haven't heard of him know.
Me Google and get you on your
1:01:04
level get any more traffic from
Google?
1:01:06
Adam Curry: Let me Google him.
doesn't show up. I use
1:01:11
cognitions. And
1:01:12
John C Dvorak: show you Yeah,
no, this is a corrupt situation.
1:01:16
completely out of control pond,
and nobody cares. This is like,
1:01:21
Oh, whatever. You know, okay.
Well, Biden, if he gets in
1:01:23
again, so what is he won't last
that long and Kamla would be the
1:01:27
president. That's what everybody
wants? Well be a break. Well,
1:01:32
Adam Curry: we're gonna go down
with the I don't care who it is,
1:01:35
as long as it's first of all,
let's just stop pretending that
1:01:39
it matters. Donald Trump is not
going to save everybody, right?
1:01:43
daddio is not going to fix all
your problems in your town, or
1:01:47
your city. That's got to come
from the people. You know,
1:01:51
people got to get into the into
the ring. I'm not going to
1:01:54
works. tripping out memes. I
thought CNN did an interesting
1:01:59
job of solidifying the Donald
Trump is going to destroy our
1:02:05
democracy.
1:02:07
John C Dvorak: Which now? I
think Do you think they'd get
1:02:11
off that for no track? No doing
it? Oh,
1:02:14
Adam Curry: it's a double down
now to double down because there
1:02:18
is an even when you hear this
piece from CNN, and this is this
1:02:21
British dude who, for somehow he
covers Trump, for CNN, because I
1:02:28
know maybe he's not seen as
offensive to Trump voters. And
1:02:35
he so he goes into a Trump
rally. And of course, it's a man
1:02:38
on the street. So the Hello,
easy to pick out the two weak
1:02:42
sisters of the bunch. But then
it's it's intercut with an
1:02:48
interview with our favorite Anne
Applebaum. So listen to
1:02:52
Unknown: this. One thing we've
been hearing at Trump rallies
1:02:55
like this over the past few
months is that America isn't
1:02:59
really a democracy.
1:03:00
America's not a democracy.
That's
1:03:04
against not a democracy. Okay,
democracy is actually not as
1:03:08
good as you think
1:03:09
it is. But for centuries,
America has celebrated its
1:03:13
democracy. Democracy is worth
dying for democracy remains the
1:03:17
definition of political
legitimacy. But some Republicans
1:03:21
and pro Trump media are pushing
the idea that America is not a
1:03:25
democracy.
1:03:26
United States of America is not
a democracy. We are a
1:03:28
constitutional republic, United
States of America is not a
1:03:31
democracy. If you don't want to
be in a democracy. We are not a
1:03:34
democracy. We are a republic. Is
America a democracy? America
1:03:39
is a democracy. It was founded
as a democracy. I've heard a
1:03:42
lot of conspiracy theories. I
hear a lot of things, conspiracy
1:03:45
theories out on the road. But
theory, oh, wait to hear
1:03:49
Americans, people who would
describe themselves as patriots,
1:03:54
who say that America is not a
democracy. That stopped me in my
1:03:58
tracks.
1:03:59
You are hearing people say
America is not a democracy,
1:04:03
because there are people around
Trump who want them to be saying
1:04:06
that who've been planting that
narrative. Is
1:04:09
America democracy.
1:04:11
I don't I think well not wearing
1:04:14
our republic.
1:04:15
What's the difference?
1:04:17
I feel like democracy. Through
government. I don't see freedom
1:04:27
and democracy I see freedom.
Honestly, the word democracy and
1:04:33
the word Republic have often
been used interchangeably. There
1:04:37
isn't a meaningful difference
between them. So much
1:04:40
of the warnings and criticism
about Trump is that he is a
1:04:44
threat to democracy that he is
anti democratic. Absolutely.
1:04:48
If they can convince people that
we don't have a democracy, then
1:04:51
it's okay that Trump is
attacking democracy because it
1:04:54
doesn't really matter. So
1:04:56
Adam Curry: the strongest part
of that piece is of course
1:04:58
having Reagan and Bush Talk
about our democracy. How do we
1:05:02
square that with saying we don't
have a democracy?
1:05:09
John C Dvorak: Well, that was
they were Reagan and Bush. Were
1:05:12
doing the same thing that the
Democrats do, which is call
1:05:16
everything a democracy when it's
a constitutional republic, which
1:05:19
is what it is. And it's not a
conspiracy. That's what it is
1:05:23
what it is conspiracy theory,
conspiracy theory, we don't even
1:05:27
do direct voting for the
President, even though I think
1:05:29
they would love that. But we
don't we have the Electoral
1:05:32
College in between as a buffer
as a shim.
1:05:35
Adam Curry: Well, so So this,
but this is kind of the
1:05:37
messaging and you know, so yeah,
I'm sure Google will surface
1:05:41
this type of stuff. That
Constitutional Republic is a
1:05:44
conspiracy theory. Look at
Reagan. Great boy. Yeah. Well,
1:05:50
it was well done. And then of
course, we also need to attack
1:05:55
flags, flags, as flags are so
important. I mean, throughout
1:06:00
history, flags are a big deal.
And who better to ask all
1:06:04
cultures? Yes. And who better to
ask about flag gates. This is a
1:06:08
Supreme Court, Justice Alito,
whose wife flew the upside the
1:06:14
American flag upside down
international sign of distress,
1:06:17
and also raised the pine pine
tree flag, which is the so
1:06:22
called appeal to heaven flag.
And let's ask Mayor Pete,
1:06:26
because there's nothing better
than a McKinsey graduate
1:06:29
McKinsey alum to ask about these
important questions.
1:06:33
Unknown: There was a secret
recording made at a meeting
1:06:36
where many Supreme Court
justices and their spouses were
1:06:39
and Martha AnnaLena, the wife of
Supreme Court Justice Samuel
1:06:41
Alito, was discussing how she
feels about apparently a pride
1:06:46
flag that
1:06:48
says, Listen, I want a Sacred
1:06:51
Heart of Jesus flag, because I
have to look across the lagoon
1:06:54
at the pride flag.
1:06:55
Adam Curry: Did you hear that?
She says she wants a Sacred
1:06:57
Heart of Jesus flag. So I'll
make sure you heard that because
1:07:00
it's I did not hear that. Yeah,
that's what she say this is that
1:07:03
horrible undercover recording?
From the woman who believes in
1:07:09
the mother of Gaia, from
California Gaia woman, the guy
1:07:13
or woman? Yes, worshipping earth
like any good pagan would that
1:07:16
was flown off
1:07:18
John C Dvorak: pagan pagans do.
1:07:19
Unknown: I want a Sacred Heart
of Jesus flag, because I have to
1:07:23
look across the lagoon at the
pride flag for the next month.
1:07:27
And he's like, Oh, please don't
put up a flag. I said, I won't
1:07:30
do it. Because I'm deferring to
you. But when you are free of
1:07:33
this nonsense, I'm putting it
up. And I'm gonna send them a
1:07:36
message every day.
1:07:37
How does that make you feel
knowing that the wife of a
1:07:39
Supreme Court justice, wants to
send a message to people with a
1:07:43
pride flag?
1:07:45
Look, I'm often reminded that
the most important thing in my
1:07:49
life, which is my marriage, and
my family, and the two beautiful
1:07:55
children that my husband Chaston
and I are raising that that
1:07:58
marriage only exists by the
grace of a single vote on the
1:08:02
United States Supreme Court that
expanded our rights and freedoms
1:08:07
back in 2015, and made it
possible for Edie
1:08:10
Adam Curry: expanded his rights
and freedoms. You see it, he has
1:08:15
expanded his rights and freedoms
because he's so suppressed, that
1:08:18
Unknown: expanded our rights and
freedoms back in 2015, and made
1:08:22
it possible for somebody like me
to get married. And, you know,
1:08:27
Supreme Court justices have an
unbelievable amount of power.
1:08:32
And, and by the nature in the
structure, the Supreme Court,
1:08:37
there's no supervision over that
power. They're entrusted with it
1:08:41
literally for as long as they
live. And part of that trust is
1:08:46
we expect them to enter into
those enormously consequential
1:08:50
decisions that that shape our
everyday lives, with a sense of
1:08:54
fairness, I also hope that most
Americans can understand the
1:08:58
difference between a flag that
symbolizes you know, love and
1:09:05
acceptance and signals to people
who have sometimes feared for
1:09:09
their safety that they're going
to be okay. And insurrectionists
1:09:14
symbology
1:09:15
Adam Curry: No, there it is.
There it is Trump
1:09:19
John C Dvorak: but they said
something in there he says about
1:09:23
you know, I wish I could put
remember what is exact phrase
1:09:29
was but it seems to me that for
one thing, I think, the same
1:09:35
Democrats who are extolling the
virtues of women and giving the
1:09:38
and empowering them to have a
Leo's wife who's got nothing
1:09:42
she's not on the Supreme Court.
I hate to mention this to you
1:09:45
though she's not on there doing
anything. So what she got to do
1:09:47
it decisive with this
1:09:48
Adam Curry: price. Price? Yes.
1:09:51
John C Dvorak: It's just
ridiculous. And then what is he
1:09:54
supposed to be told Shut up
woman. Get into the kitchen I
1:10:00
mean, what what exactly are
they? Are they angling for here?
1:10:03
They can have a mixed message?
1:10:04
Adam Curry: Well, I think the
again, it's comes down to the
1:10:07
same thing. The whole point is
to associate flags, American
1:10:12
flags. Faith flags to equate
that with insurrectionists ie
1:10:20
Trump. That's the whole point.
Yes,
1:10:23
John C Dvorak: that was a poorly
made point. And I should just
1:10:26
mention something as an aside.
So this weekend on catchy TV or
1:10:32
whatever it is one of the over
the air channels. They've had a
1:10:37
24/7 marathon of laughing shows
from 68. Goldie Hawn, he went on
1:10:44
to believe she was one of the
many cast members. And they were
1:10:49
bitching about this. It was a
very political show, you don't
1:10:52
realize that most of the issues
were this are today's issues.
1:10:55
And this is from ninth this last
show. I was watching the dad had
1:10:58
this thing in 1971 show. They
were bitching about the Supreme
1:11:02
Court? No, of course, of course,
literally. Because at the time
1:11:07
the Supreme Court was somewhat
liberal. And this was the era of
1:11:12
bumper stickers that said, you
know, impeach Earl Warren, who
1:11:16
was a Reuters Republican
governor of California,
1:11:21
Republican governor of
California, but he was a very
1:11:24
liberal, Supreme Court justice.
And the right wing was going
1:11:28
nuts over zero Warren's impeach
Earl Warren. And this was kind
1:11:33
of reflected in the
1:11:35
Adam Curry: print. But in those
days, we had three television
1:11:37
channels and no YouTube. And and
no, Google.
1:11:41
John C Dvorak: No, but the
complaining was the same. Well,
1:11:44
there's always people have been
bitching and moaning about the
1:11:47
Supreme Court from the get go,
and it's just like, Okay, give
1:11:51
it a rest. And now they're
complaining about the Supreme
1:11:53
Court justices wives that was
not in play back in the day.
1:11:58
Adam Curry: Well, now we have
also not in the play back in the
1:12:02
day was media organization
taking down other media
1:12:05
organizations. I don't think
that that was considered
1:12:08
ungentlemanly. unsportsmanlike,
1:12:11
John C Dvorak: was the same
thing with writers. writers
1:12:14
would never condemn other
writers and, yeah, that's true.
1:12:18
It was, it was. It was
unwritten, unwritten code. Yes.
1:12:22
Adam Curry: So you've probably
heard that the I think the owner
1:12:25
of epic times, or the I think
the financial guy, someone's in
1:12:30
trouble.
1:12:31
John C Dvorak: He was a money
guy, CFO,
1:12:33
Adam Curry: I think, yeah, the
money guy got arrested for I
1:12:36
haven't looked into it. But
okay, whatever. But that's not
1:12:41
what this is about. No, no, no,
no. I mean, we know the epic
1:12:45
times were in fact, I would say
we've used lots of material from
1:12:49
Epic times, because they're
reporting at least isn't your
1:12:51
typical political base
reporting. Would you say that's
1:12:57
Is that a fair statement, I
1:12:58
John C Dvorak: think is much
more objective than the
1:13:00
mainstream media. Object
newspapers.
1:13:02
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you're
wrong. Here's NBC. NBC is
1:13:06
reporting.
1:13:07
Unknown: The Epoch Times is a
conservative news outlet. They
1:13:10
have newspapers, and they have a
website. And what you'll see is
1:13:14
very pro, Trump conservative,
ultra conservative content. It's
1:13:19
come up in 2016 as a real player
in the conservative ecosystem.
1:13:23
Before then it was really known
as just a Chinese language
1:13:27
newspaper that was associated
with Falun Gong, and Falun Gong,
1:13:31
it's a movement. It's a
religious spiritual movement.
1:13:34
That's headed by a man named
Master Li Hong Xiu, Master Li,
1:13:40
lives in Dragon Springs, New
York. He lives and he is the
1:13:44
head of this religion. So all
the people in this religion
1:13:47
Adam Curry: pagine I know oh, by
the way, you get the this is the
1:13:50
I know she's a millennial, she
may be z. And they get her to do
1:13:54
this piece with her fry and her
up talk and then yes, it's
1:13:58
fallen go bed, his bed about and
that but following Gong
1:14:02
explained following Gong before
we continue with this, there
1:14:04
John C Dvorak: was a bunch of
these I actually had a little
1:14:07
exposition about this for some
years back and I don't have all
1:14:10
of it at the tip of my tongue,
but it was part of a there was a
1:14:15
bunch of these movements, these
meditative movement
1:14:18
Adam Curry: isn't yoga or
something. It was kind of like a
1:14:20
yoga but she does. She does go
into that later and fall
1:14:24
John C Dvorak: on Gong was the
one that became the most
1:14:26
successful and it became they
the Chinese government felt it
1:14:31
was politicizing itself and
becoming a voting bloc or of
1:14:35
block that could cause trouble
down the road. So it was banned.
1:14:38
Now there can all of it was foul
on Gong, the fact there was a
1:14:41
bunch of these following F al U
ns. And it was just one of many.
1:14:47
And it became the last one man
standing and it became cutting
1:14:51
as controversial and all kinds
of different directions. And
1:14:56
it's very but it's but I'd say
it is based at this point in
1:14:59
history. It's anti Chinese. No,
no,
1:15:03
Adam Curry: no, they're pro
Trump. You've got it all wrong
1:15:06
man is pro Trump. Bring out the
Gen Z here.
1:15:09
John C Dvorak: By the way the
Falun Gong cares nothing about
1:15:12
Trump you are okay so
1:15:13
Unknown: wrong is that the head
of this religion? So all the
1:15:17
people in this religion have
their time at one of the media
1:15:21
arms now there's the Epoch
Times. That's the newspaper. And
1:15:25
then there is NDTV and that's
the television component or
1:15:29
video component.
1:15:30
John C Dvorak: Yes. And T D.
1:15:32
Adam Curry: She said no, no, no,
no, no, no, she's NDTV is what
1:15:36
she says. But it's no NTD is not
is not a part of epic times
1:15:42
isn't NTD No, she says in NDTV.
She says she's wrong.
1:15:48
John C Dvorak: It's not NDTV.
She's talking about anti D which
1:15:51
is part of the epoch
1:15:53
Adam Curry: about NDTV. NDTV
that's a real thing. NDTV she's
1:16:00
not talking about NTD.
1:16:03
John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, there
is something else NDTV I'd like
1:16:06
yeah, no, I'll check it out.
Yeah,
1:16:07
Adam Curry: yeah, you can't on
that machine. But believe me,
1:16:10
and I can
1:16:11
John C Dvorak: I got a browser
here. I just don't don't have
1:16:13
Twitter. We'll go to Google.
They'll
1:16:15
Adam Curry: tell you to vote for
Biden, that
1:16:16
Unknown: newspaper. And then
there is the TV and that's the
1:16:20
television component and the
video component. And then
1:16:23
there's Shen Yun, and Shin Eun,
if you've seen the ubiquitous
1:16:26
advertisements everywhere, it's
a traditional Chinese dance
1:16:30
troupe with a very anti
communist China message. The
1:16:35
whole point of all of this anti
communist
1:16:38
Adam Curry: dance must go pro
Trump.
1:16:40
John C Dvorak: That again she
she made she's now there is no
1:16:43
such thing as in dt. NDTV
1:16:47
Adam Curry: is what she said.
She said no, I put these clips
1:16:49
together myself. And
1:16:51
John C Dvorak: she said she's
wrong. She's not it's N T D?
1:16:54
Adam Curry: No. Go to ndtv.com
John, okay,
1:16:59
John C Dvorak: you are wrong.
And you're gonna get away like
1:17:02
I'm doing I'm going to actually
go on the browser crazy
1:17:05
Adam Curry: thought man crazy.
While you're at it, look at that
1:17:07
cool PCR machine from the meet
up China
1:17:10
Unknown: message. So the whole
point of all of these things,
1:17:12
whether it's Epoch Times, or
Shen Yun is to relay this
1:17:16
message that the end of the
world is coming. If you are
1:17:18
aligned with communism, you will
go to a sort of hell. And if you
1:17:21
are not wanting to communism, if
you align yourself with Falun
1:17:24
Gong than you will be spared and
you will go to heaven. So it's a
1:17:27
sort of an apocalyptic sort of
cult, not unlike a lot of
1:17:30
religions. But what's
interesting is that they're
1:17:33
using their money to really back
Trump. They're using
1:17:38
Adam Curry: their money to back
Trump. You are so wrong. I'm
1:17:42
sorry. He's just wrong on all
fronts on this one. So
1:17:45
John C Dvorak: here's the other
one. NDTV Yes, sir New Delhi
1:17:49
television out of India. NDTV
meaning N T D.
1:17:56
Adam Curry: But isn't NTV the
New Tang Dynasty?
1:18:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, New Tang
Dynasty is part of following
1:18:02
Gong.
1:18:04
Adam Curry: Well, this is an
outrage. She can't
1:18:07
John C Dvorak: even get her
story straight, let alone you
1:18:10
getting it straight. And in
defending her.
1:18:12
Adam Curry: I'm defending what
she said. She said NDTV That's
1:18:15
what I said. Yeah.
1:18:17
John C Dvorak: So Delhi
television is not a follow on
1:18:19
cog operation. Okay. Sure. You
wait,
1:18:22
Adam Curry: but wait, let's
continue because it's still the
1:18:27
all they're doing. They only
exist to be pro Trump. This is
1:18:31
the story.
1:18:32
Unknown: And they're aligning
themselves with evangelicals.
1:18:34
And just you know, conservatives
on the, you
1:18:37
Adam Curry: know, it's
interesting pastor Jimmy just
1:18:39
just handed out epic times at
church the other day, like,
1:18:41
thanks. Yeah, oh, the
evangelicals are all in with
1:18:44
Falun Gong,
1:18:45
Unknown: and they're aligning
themselves with Evangelicals,
1:18:47
and just, you know,
conservatives on the internet to
1:18:50
really push a pro Trump method
that really seems to be working
1:18:54
they have gone from a really
it's working or no
1:19:00
Adam Curry: mucking about. It's
working just so you know, it's
1:19:03
working. The whole point is to
discredit and epic times it's
1:19:09
they're taking down another news
organizations Oh,
1:19:13
John C Dvorak: they're just at
you know, you're just asking for
1:19:15
trouble. This is ridiculous
report. This woman should be
1:19:18
ashamed. Better,
1:19:19
Unknown: we fledgling newspaper
where no one was really reading
1:19:21
it, it cost $1 Sometimes it was
free on the
1:19:24
Adam Curry: students was crazy.
A news organization, it only
1:19:27
costs $1. I mean, how can you
pay salaries,
1:19:30
Unknown: and now they are
everywhere here. senior editors
1:19:34
were in Trump Tower earlier this
year interviewing Laura Trump.
1:19:38
They're interviewing
congressman, celebrities kind
1:19:42
Adam Curry: of funny though,
because, you know, they're
1:19:43
against communism, you know,
like Trump is bloodmeal what is
1:19:48
Biden then?
1:19:49
Unknown: Me is like, you know,
diamond and silk. Oh, no,
1:19:53
Adam Curry: diamond and silk.
Oh, they're really poor. All
1:19:55
this stuff. So pro Trump,
Candace Owens
1:19:57
Unknown: and Ted Cruz. They're
really Coming up in the
1:20:00
conservative movement, and it's
important to know who's behind
1:20:04
this, you know, something else
they've done that's really
1:20:06
interesting lately and why we
started looking at them is they
1:20:09
started buying Facebook ads,
they've spent $1.5 million on
1:20:14
11,000 Facebook ads this year
alone. And all of the ads are
1:20:18
very pro. They also push a
conspiratorial message and
1:20:22
following Gong itself is really
interesting because it started
1:20:27
in the 1990s. It started in
China. And it was headed by
1:20:31
Master Li and Master Li sort of
came up with this new practice.
1:20:35
It was a little bit of
mysticism, a little bit of
1:20:38
Buddhism, a little bit of yoga.
And so what he did is he made
1:20:42
this process as some one expert
described to me, he made this
1:20:45
process of meditation, and
Transcendentalism really, really
1:20:49
simple. So there are five
exercises, you know, people
1:20:52
older people could do them in
the park. You see them all
1:20:55
around New York City doing the
exercises now, and it was really
1:20:58
easy. But it also came with some
pretty out there ideas.
1:21:04
John C Dvorak: Out there ideas
she's talking about people doing
1:21:07
in the park is was What is it
where you're
1:21:13
Adam Curry: playing Frisbee,
playing Frisbee? No, no.
1:21:17
John C Dvorak: No, you know that
the the Chinese exercise, which
1:21:19
is a slow motion, kung Tai Chi
is a tai chi. Yeah, yeah, that's
1:21:25
what they're doing in the park.
You're not sitting around
1:21:27
meditating. I mean, this is, by
the way, it's not that much
1:21:31
different that meditation
technique. They're using then
1:21:33
Transcendental Meditation, which
was a big thing with the
1:21:36
liberals,
1:21:37
Adam Curry: which you can see on
NDTV from India.
1:21:42
Unknown: or Yes, yes.
1:21:44
Adam Curry: I got one more clip
here. It's just it was it's just
1:21:47
what this is what the whole idea
is, is to continuously to
1:21:51
continuously just propagandize
people and it's the same message
1:21:56
over and over again. Conspiracy
Theory, pro Trump. Ruining
1:22:01
democracy, conspiracy theory,
pro Trump ruining democracy with
1:22:06
an ultra
1:22:06
Unknown: conservative worldview
behind Falun Gong, so they don't
1:22:11
support gay people.
1:22:13
Adam Curry: They are I don't
support gay people. Oh, now
1:22:19
you're in trouble Falun Gong, is
that true? Do they are they are
1:22:22
they are they haters? Are they
never heard the gays? Well, they
1:22:26
don't support the fact
1:22:27
John C Dvorak: that they have
anything to do as Shin Jung, if
1:22:29
you haven't seen I mean, I
haven't seen that presentation.
1:22:31
But just looking at the
commercials for it is that if
1:22:33
that's not gay, I don't know
what
1:22:37
Unknown: people they are anti
pop music. They don't they hate
1:22:41
pop music part feminism. They
rail against any sort of like
1:22:46
modernism, I mean, part of their
their motto is traditionalism.
1:22:50
It's also important to know that
in China, they were banned in
1:22:54
the 90s Because China didn't
like the fact that they were
1:22:56
becoming so popular.
1:22:57
Adam Curry: Why is that
important to know is the
1:22:59
question, it's important to know
that China banned, banned and
1:23:03
Unknown: so they imprisoned some
of their people of their
1:23:06
followers. And human rights
organizations say that they
1:23:09
tortured and killed many so
masterly brought his followers
1:23:13
here. He moved here himself, and
he lives in New York. And what
1:23:17
he does is he runs a commie in
the air with many followers,
1:23:21
they believe things that former
practitioners have told us are
1:23:25
unsettling. So one of them is,
you know, the aliens are real.
1:23:29
One is that they discourage the
taking of medicine, because
1:23:32
masterly has taught that
sickness is caused by some sort
1:23:36
of evil inside of you, and then
it can fall and gone. Are you
1:23:41
John C Dvorak: seen anything
like that in my life? Why is she
1:23:45
going to go into the Christian?
What was which is the group that
1:23:49
refuses to take anything
whatsoever Amish should decide?
1:23:55
As a Christian, what's the name
of that group?
1:23:58
Adam Curry: There's only 30
seconds left. So I don't think
1:24:00
so
1:24:00
Unknown: masterly has taught
that sickness is caused by some
1:24:03
sort of evil inside of you, and
then it can, Falun Gong can cure
1:24:07
you of that. So, you know, these
are all things that we've heard,
1:24:11
but the overarching
1:24:12
Adam Curry: music bed is kind of
interesting. What that shows is
1:24:14
kind of a Ping Pong Pong, kind
of like a, like an Asian wind
1:24:17
chime. Long, long, long AI.
Background music, Chinese ping
1:24:24
pong. On
1:24:25
Unknown: contrary, you have
that. So, you know, these are
1:24:27
all things that we've heard. But
the overarching narrative is
1:24:30
that, you know, Falun Gong
believers believe that we are
1:24:33
headed toward a judgement day
where communists and non
1:24:36
communist will be pitted against
each other. So all of these
1:24:39
outreach efforts, whether it's
Epoch Times, or Shin Eun or NDTV
1:24:43
are all out there to sort of
save the souls of sentient
1:24:47
beings they say this is all an
effort to not only you know when
1:24:50
your soul not only you know when
to vote for Donald Trump, but
1:24:54
also you know, to save the
world.
1:24:57
John C Dvorak: Hope young you
know They should be ashamed of
1:25:00
themselves for putting their
money. She keeps saying NDTV by
1:25:04
the way. Yeah, right to the end.
So she's clueless. That is a
1:25:11
shameful report.
1:25:12
Adam Curry: Yeah,
1:25:13
John C Dvorak: I hope you're
bigoted. It's a bigoted,
1:25:15
shameful anti. Okay, while she's
like doing the bidding of the
1:25:20
Chinese Communist parties, yes.
1:25:24
Adam Curry: Quite possibly.
Well, I'll just wrap up my my
1:25:27
media overview with the two more
topics. And the first one is, of
1:25:32
course, Alex Jones. We have an
update on cars Friday, he was in
1:25:37
court for me to determine what
will happen with Infowars. I
1:25:42
actually got a call from sort of
Lucifer who works there. And he
1:25:47
was yeah, he says the the mood
is not great. There's the ice 55
1:25:52
zero people working there.
People who've worked with him
1:25:56
there for 15 years. And 55
people you said 5050 people?
1:26:02
Five D? Yeah. five zeros. A lot
of people. Big operation. Yeah.
1:26:06
Yeah. Well, that's I think it's
gonna end here. This
1:26:09
Unknown: is an attempt at
Digital assassination.
1:26:12
conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
was defiant in front of a
1:26:16
federal courthouse today, vowing
that the government may shut him
1:26:19
down, but they won't shut him
up. This is probably the end of
1:26:24
Infowars a federal judge in
Houston ordered Jones to
1:26:27
liquidate his personal assets,
worth an estimated four to $6
1:26:31
million to start paying the
Sandy Hook families the $1.5
1:26:35
billion in defamation damages he
owes them the decision will also
1:26:40
force Jones to auction off his
jewelry and gun collection. An
1:26:44
attorney for Jones said $2
million is already sitting in
1:26:47
escrow for the families. After
Jones sold the Texas ranch
1:26:51
Marlin court. Another episode of
the Alex Jones Show aired on
1:26:55
infowars.com the platform where
Jones spread his conspiracy
1:26:59
theories, the judge ruled that
the company doesn't have to
1:27:03
liquidate its assets, but that
Jones will not control the
1:27:06
money. The whole thing of the
giant courts in both Texas and
1:27:11
Connecticut found Jones liable
for defamation after he called
1:27:14
the attack fake a hoax and
called grieving parents crisis
1:27:18
actors for Robbie Parker, whose
daughter Emily was one of the 20
1:27:22
students killed at Sandy Hook in
2012. This case is not about
1:27:26
money. But accountabilities the
reason
1:27:28
that accountability is important
for me is because that's part of
1:27:30
the healing process.
1:27:32
The hearing comes the same week,
the survivors of the Sandy Hook
1:27:35
massacre graduate from high
school former classmates wore
1:27:39
green and white pins to honor
their memory, a memory Parker
1:27:43
hopes never fades,
1:27:44
Adam Curry: some of the
communications between the
1:27:46
families have been just very
beautiful. And so it is touching
1:27:49
and it is emotional. Now this is
obviously to send a message and
1:27:53
I gotta tell you, from my from
my money message received
1:27:59
message received 1.1 $1.4
billion in a libel suit. Wow. So
1:28:08
so it seems like he'll be able
to continue somehow. Well,
1:28:12
John C Dvorak: he's already know
he's got his. Okay, so he's
1:28:15
going to lose everything. Let's
take it what's gonna happen? The
1:28:21
worst case scenario, he loses
everything, they auction off all
1:28:25
his stuff, they auction off
everything he owns. And he's got
1:28:28
a gun collection, whatever that
is, and the rest of the coins,
1:28:31
like gold coins, challenge
coins, eggs, some challenge
1:28:35
because it's all gone. Got
nothing left. This is the
1:28:39
internet era, he can start up
over? No,
1:28:42
Adam Curry: but I think I think
that he will have to continue
1:28:45
giving. They can take the money
he makes in the future, too.
1:28:50
John C Dvorak: I think that's
probably true. But it would be
1:28:52
on a payment schedule. So it'd
be like, like buying a car,
1:28:55
you'd have to keep paying month
after month. But he is also
1:29:01
bankruptcy issues here that he
you should be able to get out of
1:29:03
some of this. And I mean, that's
what the news video is does it
1:29:07
go bankrupt or somebody Sue's
them within an inch of their
1:29:10
life. And so he's he's got he
knows how to do this. He knows
1:29:16
the business, he can start up
from scratch and build it up
1:29:20
rather quickly. He knows all the
vitamin people that he can get
1:29:23
the product from he just changed
the name of the product. And he
1:29:27
could also do stuff through
third parties. There's a lot of
1:29:29
ways he can go. He's not an old
guy who's just oh, well,
1:29:32
whatever. I'm gonna go retire.
No, he's got plenty of have. He
1:29:37
knows what he's doing at this
point in terms of making money
1:29:41
for himself and his president.
He'll hire probably most of
1:29:43
those people back.
1:29:45
Adam Curry: I am so grateful for
you. Why? Because throughout the
1:29:52
past set a well Good question,
but there is a reason throughout
1:29:56
the past 17 years. You have
always been protected the show
1:30:01
and probably more me by jumping
in if I said something
1:30:05
completely libelous, and then
you would correct me, so that it
1:30:09
was clear that we were
correcting that. Because it just
1:30:13
goes to show you you got to be
careful.
1:30:16
John C Dvorak: You do have to be
careful. And I will tell you my
1:30:18
background on that is that when
I wrote The with Adam Osborn, I
1:30:22
wrote a book called hyper
growth. And Adam was freaked out
1:30:26
about getting sued, because he
was saying some nasty stuff
1:30:31
about very CEOs. And so we went
into a libel lawyer's office and
1:30:36
spent the day and pretty much I
learned pretty much everything
1:30:41
you need to know from a
practical perspective on how not
1:30:46
to libel or slander people. And
I've been complimented in some,
1:30:51
in one case by a publisher who
says, you know, you can call
1:30:56
somebody an asshole 10 different
ways, but never really say it.
1:31:00
And that's kind of the key. And
yes, well, thank you. I am
1:31:06
constantly I know it was drummed
into me, but I'm very aware of
1:31:10
this problem. Yes. No, thank
you. Easily labeling somebody.
1:31:13
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Because
people out there crazy. The
1:31:16
courts are crazy.
1:31:17
John C Dvorak: Crazy. For one
thing, you can't call somebody a
1:31:20
crook. Yeah, that's the that's
the one of the key that you just
1:31:23
can't say. Any, you know, if
they haven't been convicted of a
1:31:27
crime, you can't call them a
criminal
1:31:29
Adam Curry: unless you really
bless your trump. You've Trump
1:31:32
you can call him your trump.
1:31:34
John C Dvorak: Call him
anything. Anything you want.
1:31:35
Yeah. Well, there are
differences people left and
1:31:38
right to Well, there are
differences.
1:31:39
Adam Curry: Your kids are in the
public eye, which is like this
1:31:42
kind of gray area. You can say
horrible things about people who
1:31:45
are in the public eye. There's
there's a gray area in tort law.
1:31:51
John C Dvorak: But Jones has
always been up cross crosses the
1:31:56
line a lot. I listen to him. I
mean, I listen to him. We have
1:32:00
Adam Curry: a troll trainee.
Janee says I want to call Mimi a
1:32:03
crook. Too many egg too many
eggs stole my heart. Ah. Isn't
1:32:09
that cute? All the
1:32:10
John C Dvorak: art in that book
is from public domain sources
1:32:12
that are at least 100 years old.
Give me a brainless year old
1:32:15
woman.
1:32:18
Adam Curry: The final series of
clips I have here is very
1:32:22
unexciting. But the information
is detailed. It's from Reuters.
1:32:26
Reuters. There's no reason you
have to be boring. And this is
1:32:31
the Pentagon's psychological
operation against Chinese with
1:32:39
anti Vax messaging if you follow
that.
1:32:43
Unknown: Yep, Reuters has
uncovered a secret anti Vax
1:32:47
campaign run by the Pentagon to
undermine China during the
1:32:51
pandemic. despite objections
from top diplomats, the US
1:32:55
military engaged in clandestine
propaganda about COVID vaccines
1:33:00
that public health experts say
is indefensible.
1:33:03
An aspect of military that many
people don't realize or don't
1:33:06
know about is it the military
controls a large network of fake
1:33:11
social media accounts, and other
online profiles, which it can
1:33:15
use to influence foreign
adversaries. In this case, they
1:33:19
were using a mixture of social
media accounts on various
1:33:22
platforms, including Twitter,
Facebook, Instagram, and several
1:33:27
foreign language, social media
platforms, popular in Central
1:33:31
Asia. So the message is
typically focused on this idea
1:33:36
that foreign audiences should
not trust Chinese pandemic aid.
1:33:41
So it would say that their face
masks that they were donating
1:33:43
were fake. They would say that
the test kits that they were
1:33:46
providing didn't work, they
would say that the vaccines were
1:33:49
ineffective, not real. I think
the most surprising message that
1:33:55
we saw was that they were
pushing this idea that Chinese
1:34:00
COVID vaccines in particular
sin, evac contained a pork
1:34:05
derivative, because where that
message was targeted, was in
1:34:09
Central Asia among Muslim
majority countries.
1:34:12
Adam Curry: Now the funny thing
is, I remember some of those
1:34:14
stories. Yeah, I
1:34:16
John C Dvorak: do, too. And
yeah, this was by the way, you
1:34:18
didn't get to see because you're
traveling. But this this was
1:34:20
written up in the newsletter.
1:34:23
Adam Curry: Oh, no, I didn't see
that. No, you're right. Well, I
1:34:25
have two more pieces to this.
What I just found interesting
1:34:30
is, of course, this never
mentioned in this report is
1:34:33
Smith Mundt. Which does not
allow our government to Well
1:34:40
originally did not allow our
government to propagandize our
1:34:44
own people. Although it's kind
of mentioned in there that was
1:34:47
later repealed in the National
Defense Authorization Act under
1:34:51
Obama. But of course, there's B
and the reason was was the
1:34:55
internet you know, we might
spill over but I remember these
1:34:58
quite vividly. During COVID, how
did this campaign begin?
1:35:02
Unknown: There was growing
interest in increasing the US as
1:35:06
use of clandestine propaganda
and influence operations
1:35:10
following the 2016 election.
1:35:14
Adam Curry: How about that's
interesting, when
1:35:17
Unknown: Russian intelligence
operatives ran a hack and leak
1:35:20
to influence American voters?
Has
1:35:23
Adam Curry: that ever been
proven anywhere, no hack and
1:35:26
John C Dvorak: for those Hokey
Pokey as it were in Facebook,
1:35:29
they spent $100,000 in ad has
1:35:32
Adam Curry: hack and leak. Okay,
1:35:34
Unknown: hack, there was already
support and interest in this
1:35:38
area that going years later in
2019. Policies are instituted
1:35:43
through Congress, and also
within the Defense Department
1:35:47
that lessened the approval
process and made it easier to
1:35:51
run these types of missions
globally, even outside of
1:35:55
defined war zones. With the
COVID pandemic erupting in 2020.
1:36:01
The military looks to employ
these tactics, while State
1:36:05
Department officials voiced
caution. Diplomats argued that
1:36:11
it was not the right time during
a pandemic, to spread fear
1:36:15
through propaganda because of
the ramifications. Nonetheless,
1:36:19
the military continued their
operations until at least summer
1:36:25
of 2021. So
1:36:26
Adam Curry: when I hear this,
all I can think of is, well of
1:36:30
course they did that because
perhaps the whole COVID thing
1:36:33
was a military operation to
begin with, including operation
1:36:38
warp speed. I mean, why else?
Why else would they do that?
1:36:44
John C Dvorak: There was one
thing you're not gonna get in
1:36:45
this report, which was in the
newsletter, which is the is the
1:36:48
is the phrase that we're using
over and over again, which is
1:36:51
China. China develop develop the
China is responsible for the for
1:36:58
the COVID. China's does its own
vaccines. Don't trust China?
1:37:03
There was this don't trust China
meme that they were putting out
1:37:07
and I just thought it was right
up our alley, because we've been
1:37:10
saying using that old don't
trust China. Clip forever.
1:37:15
Donald Trump don't trust China,
China is as home
1:37:18
Adam Curry: so we're part of the
military SIOP campaign, I guess,
1:37:23
unwittingly well, actually
adulterous. Unwittingly,
1:37:27
unwittingly, we were.
1:37:28
John C Dvorak: I think we've
heard of a lot of stuff
1:37:30
unwittingly. But
1:37:31
Adam Curry: wait, you one of
your favorite code words is in
1:37:34
this last clip. And
1:37:35
Unknown: so how did it end? The
influence operation began in
1:37:39
early 2020 with the spread of
the Coronavirus and ran through
1:37:44
the Trump administration. But it
also continued through the
1:37:47
beginning of the Biden
administration. In January of
1:37:51
the Biden administration. When
they first came into office.
1:37:54
They were notified by social
media companies who were
1:37:56
dismayed by what they found.
They had independently noticed
1:38:00
that the military was conducting
these operations through fake
1:38:03
accounts on their platforms. And
they told the Biden
1:38:05
administration that they'd seen
evidence of the military
1:38:08
spreading COVID misinformation.
The White House and the National
1:38:12
Security Council issued a ban
internally on messaging by the
1:38:17
military on vaccines, but we
continue to see the operation
1:38:22
active until later that spring
into the early summer. The
1:38:26
US military is prohibited from
targeting Americans with
1:38:29
propaganda, and Reuters found no
evidence that the Pentagon's
1:38:33
influence operation. Pentagon
spokeswoman said the US military
1:38:37
does use platforms including
social media to counter malign
1:38:41
influence attacks aimed at the
US. And she noted that China had
1:38:45
started a quote, disinformation
campaign to falsely blame the
1:38:49
United States for the spread of
COVID 19. Trump and Biden
1:38:53
spokespeople did not respond to
requests for comment.
1:38:59
John C Dvorak: What are they
gonna say
1:39:00
Adam Curry: this whole things I
mean, while they were deep
1:39:03
platforming people, citizens
doctors,
1:39:06
John C Dvorak: for so called
COVID Ostersund per COVID
1:39:09
disinformation.
1:39:11
Adam Curry: At the same time,
they're just the our own
1:39:14
government is SIOP in China, and
then China sigh up things back,
1:39:19
like Oh, whoa, no, didn't start
here. This whole thing now
1:39:23
smells like one big military
defense department, opera, the
1:39:27
whole COVID thing. And it makes
sense with warp speed
1:39:34
John C Dvorak: will also make
sense with some of the clips
1:39:36
coming floating around that
about showing people that had
1:39:39
the vaccine already in the in
the key Yeah,
1:39:41
Adam Curry: in 2019.
1:39:43
John C Dvorak: So there's, well,
we're talking about this sort of
1:39:46
thing. You also die. We're
getting the blowback.
1:39:49
Adam Curry: Mmm hmm. We got to
take a break, John.
1:39:51
John C Dvorak: I'm just telling
you daftar these two clips would
1:39:54
be perfect. Okay. These are Ryan
Cole, a epidemiologist that was
1:39:59
floated around some, I think
they caught him at a, at a
1:40:03
county fair giving a speech. And
so they decided to get a couple
1:40:07
of licks in. And these are very
funny. Well, and they're not
1:40:11
funny by any means, but they're
horrible. stories he tells you
1:40:16
about was Ryan Cole, who was
Ryan Gleason epidemiologist as
1:40:20
floating around the country
giving speeches about how bad
1:40:23
this vaccine was. Target is what
he is. He's another one of those
1:40:26
guys at Target.
1:40:27
Unknown: Dr. Cole,
1:40:28
what in your opinion, was the
greatest crime during COVID?
1:40:33
Adam Curry: Sounds like a Dutch
guy, by the way,
1:40:36
Unknown: the truth died. We were
lied to by governments who were
1:40:42
taken advantage of by
intelligence agencies, we were
1:40:46
taken advantage of by
Departments of Defense. And the
1:40:51
people were lied to that's the
truth in science died.
1:40:56
What do you see, in the
aftermath of the mRNA shots?
1:41:02
I think the biggest problem
we're going to be fighting for a
1:41:04
long time is chronic autoimmune
disease. These injections were
1:41:10
contaminated with DNA. They were
made with us instead of
1:41:14
synthetic RNA. And they weren't
just making spike proteins, they
1:41:18
were making Frankenstein
proteins as well. And when the
1:41:21
immune system is exposed to
proteins that it's not supposed
1:41:25
to see, then it starts to go
haywire. So certainly, we've
1:41:29
seen some excess sudden death.
And we've seen death from all
1:41:35
causes increased around the
world after the rollout of these
1:41:40
genetic injections that were
never a vaccine. They were
1:41:44
experimental genetic injections.
And so a lot of autoimmune
1:41:47
disease for a long time and
decreased fertility rates we're
1:41:50
already seeing in many countries
around the world. And what I
1:41:54
noticed early on was we're
seeing a lot of runaway turbo
1:41:58
cancers. And I think we're going
to continue to see that and
1:42:01
sadly,
1:42:03
Adam Curry: yeah, Bloomberg had
a story this morning. Why is
1:42:07
everyone getting sick?
1:42:09
John C Dvorak: Hmm. Okay,
Milton's finally out of the ice.
1:42:12
Well, yeah, we were terrible
cancer.
1:42:15
Adam Curry: We were pelted with
the Kate Middleton just on and
1:42:19
on and on. Well, so is the
Charles he's also got to you
1:42:22
guys, but cancer. But I think so
allegedly, to make sure we don't
1:42:28
get sued by the Windsors.
Alright, is that Julie's the
1:42:31
right way? Oh, so Ryan, Ryan is
doing county fairs?
1:42:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is
where you This is where these
1:42:38
guys are at? Yeah, county fairs.
Good on
1:42:41
Adam Curry: him. And he's in the
arena.
1:42:42
Unknown: These weren't what they
were advertised to be. They were
1:42:45
never a vaccine. And the lesson
here, I think, is that we should
1:42:48
never, as a population ever use
synthetic RNA, or genetic
1:42:54
injections ever again. Right?
1:42:57
Was that a big accident? Or I
know did the people know what
1:43:00
they were doing? Who made those
vaccines and peddle them on us?
1:43:03
The powers that be it was a big
money game for them. And they
1:43:08
made up a false emergency. SARS
cov. Two was never an emergency
1:43:14
for 99.9% of the population. So
they used it as an opportunity
1:43:20
to test out their, quote, new
technology that they've been
1:43:24
tinkering with and always
failing with, and they rolled it
1:43:27
out onto humanity. Like I said,
from the stage here, they would
1:43:32
make Mengele blush in terms of
human experimentation. This was
1:43:37
a horrendous breach of human
rights around the world.
1:43:41
destroyed lives destroyed
businesses put more people into
1:43:44
poverty. This entire couple of
years has been history will look
1:43:49
back and hopefully these people
will be shown to be shameful
1:43:54
like they weren't. That's right.
1:43:55
Adam Curry: Yes, we will have
sub stacks to look back on this
1:43:58
history.
1:44:01
John C Dvorak: And depth for
this section section, the B
1:44:03
block with a C block with a
uplifting, little message
1:44:07
Adam Curry: very uplifting, by
the way, apparently substack
1:44:10
just for your information being
a sub stacker they've gone woke
1:44:15
and they say now you're that
What are you categorized in on
1:44:19
on the sub stack? crackpot there
you go and with that, I'd like
1:44:22
to thank you for your courage in
the morning to you the man who
1:44:25
put the sea he just did it in
crackpot but also in cobalt from
1:44:28
Ukraine. Say hello to my friend
on the other end, the one and
1:44:31
only Mr. John Cena.
1:44:34
John C Dvorak: Well, in the
morning, you'll miss your
1:44:36
morning, boots in the ground
feet in the air subs in the
1:44:39
water all the days and nights
out
1:44:40
Adam Curry: there in the morning
to the trolls and the troll.
1:44:46
It's Father's Day Of course. We
had previous Sunday we had 1989.
1:44:52
Today we have 1618 That's kind
of to be expected. People are
1:44:57
hanging out with their dads
they're not donating for their
1:44:59
dads. But they aren't hanging
out with their dads. Although
1:45:02
there's a couple I saw a couple
of Father's Day donations. We we
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want you to join the trolls. I
have not pointed troll room.io
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at the new website that Tim Sir
Tim made code monkey, which is
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no agenda dot stream it is
really good, very pretty very
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fast, very handy. So much better
than that that temporary page
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I've had up there for oh, I
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appreciate that. So no agenda
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1:45:33
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that's where you can hang out
1:45:36
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1:46:31
John C Dvorak: There's probably
probably
1:46:35
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there. But remember, it's hard
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It's really takes a lot of grit.
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And you know, we're doing it for
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zero. Everybody a little bit of
1:47:22
hardcoat health karma and
prayers for void he's not
1:47:25
feeling too well. Particularly
on Father's Day happened. Yes.
1:47:29
Some gasoline gastro issues. Oh,
yeah. Yeah, I'll make flu. No,
1:47:36
no, it's a little worse than
that.
1:47:39
John C Dvorak: He'll live ulcer.
1:47:43
Adam Curry: It's not groovy.
It's not it's not Oprah level,
1:47:45
but it's not great.
1:47:48
John C Dvorak: You know, when,
if Oprah is going to make it?
1:47:51
You
1:47:51
Adam Curry: know, we'll get to
that later. Also, we have to
1:47:55
talk about the new pandemic on
the horizon. We'll do that right
1:47:58
after the break. There's a tease
for you, because they're really
1:48:00
pushing it really really pushing
it. And of course we have our
1:48:04
artists artists who use no
agenda art generator.com I met
1:48:09
to one of our great Dutch
masters Taunton, Neil at at the
1:48:13
meetup in here in Amsterdam
yesterday. Of course that all
1:48:18
appears on no agenda are
generated are calm, which Sir
1:48:20
Paul put together. I mean,
really? We do have an amazing
1:48:23
community. Just look at the
meetups by themselves. People
1:48:26
getting together. Yes.
1:48:27
John C Dvorak: So what When did
she meet you before you said,
1:48:30
Oh, I was a kid. Yes, he
1:48:31
Adam Curry: was a kid. Yeah, she
was a she was a teen. And she
1:48:35
gave me a, a, a beautiful, it's
not really a scrapbook. It's a
1:48:40
produced book, which has
scrapbook pages, but it's not
1:48:44
the actual scraps. It's all
photocopied. And she put it into
1:48:48
a book and it's bound. And it's,
I mean, it's beautiful. It is it
1:48:52
is a lot of a lot of my story.
Certainly the days in the
1:48:56
Netherlands. She wrote me an
eight page handwritten letter,
1:49:00
which was just fantastic. It was
just great. It was great to meet
1:49:03
her again. It was great to hang
out with her.
1:49:06
John C Dvorak: Do you remember
meeting her the first time?
1:49:08
Absolutely not.
1:49:09
Adam Curry: But I've I've seen
the picture. And you know, and I
1:49:13
can't even remember the event.
I'm like, what, what what what
1:49:16
was that about? I have no idea.
I have no idea. lost
1:49:20
John C Dvorak: to history. But
she you know,
1:49:21
Adam Curry: she has followed my
radio career and that inspired
1:49:24
her to get into radio. She
actually studied broadcasting
1:49:29
communications in the States for
a year. And then she became a
1:49:32
video editor. She's one of the
first video editors on Big
1:49:35
Brother when the show first
started to Dutch production when
1:49:39
first started here. And she I
guess she was listening for
1:49:45
quite a number of years and
never really wanted to send in
1:49:50
any art even though she has
talent. And I think some of her
1:49:54
early work never got chosen if I
remember the eight pages
1:49:57
correctly. And then she says and
I feel figured it out. I figured
1:50:02
out well She sure did. What is
she on the ranking right now?
1:50:05
She's gonna be up
1:50:05
John C Dvorak: there. Let's take
a look at the leaderboards Adam.
1:50:09
Meanwhile,
1:50:10
Adam Curry: while you're doing
that
1:50:12
John C Dvorak: the artwork was
number six. Oh, I
1:50:15
Adam Curry: thought she was
higher than that. Now, number
1:50:17
one is nicked a rat. This is all
time or just or this year. This
1:50:21
is all time all time. How about
from this year? Can you look
1:50:23
that up?
1:50:24
John C Dvorak: I got to roll I
can do six months rolling.
1:50:27
Rolling six
1:50:28
Adam Curry: month average. Yes.
1:50:29
John C Dvorak: She stirred. Oh,
1:50:31
Adam Curry: I'm telling she's
she's a Dutch master. For
1:50:34
episode 1668 We could have used
some of her Dutch mastery we we
1:50:38
kind of went with the best one.
We titled that one spill over
1:50:42
and this was the the yard sign
the political yard sign, which
1:50:47
said rug pulled 2024 Make Trump
deal with a corrector record.
1:50:52
Another Dutch master came in
with that one. Let me take a
1:50:55
look. I know we were we weren't
very satisfied with the
1:51:00
offering. And we're not saying
that to be mean or anything.
1:51:03
We're just usually the
1:51:04
John C Dvorak: fault of the
show. I would give it to defend
1:51:06
the artists if we don't have any
triggering Yeah, commentary,
1:51:10
though. We did but it wasn't
good. I can't do the art. So
1:51:13
Adam Curry: we had the you know,
this is hard. This is a grind
1:51:16
which was a funny bid on the
show with Meghan McCain. And so
1:51:19
they picked that one up. But
yeah, that's no good. That's
1:51:23
John C Dvorak: no good. The
other one is intent. And Neil
1:51:25
your friend, it kind of blew up
her idea. I mean, she had the
1:51:29
idea listening to you, but then
I you sent me the art the actual
1:51:32
picture that girls in the in the
Apple presentation. Oh, yeah,
1:51:37
this is? It was a joke. Yeah,
yeah. There was huge stove pipe
1:51:44
jeans there. Were there a denim
with sandals. They look like
1:51:49
hell. And they're a high whatnot
or your high water. Like you'd
1:51:52
like to put an old phrase? Yes.
But they're always high. high
1:51:55
waisted. Yeah. So you look like
a complete idiot on the stage.
1:51:59
And so
1:52:00
Adam Curry: I show that to Tina.
You know what she says? Yep,
1:52:02
that's the fashion the girls are
wearing these days.
1:52:06
Unknown: Well, good luck.
1:52:07
Adam Curry: That's what I said.
Well, yeah, there'll
1:52:08
John C Dvorak: be attractive.
The other girls wearing the same
1:52:10
outfit. That's for sure. That's
which I think I said
1:52:14
Adam Curry: at Taunton, Neil did
did put in the Shula discs from
1:52:20
the game, which was at the
meetup, the the Dutch
1:52:22
shuffleboard. Yeah, I actually
liked that piece. It was a good
1:52:25
piece, but we didn't think
anyone would get it. Now the
1:52:27
Dutch might get it, but there
was. I don't know. Do you think
1:52:31
we should have chosen that one?
1:52:34
John C Dvorak: In hindsight, no.
1:52:38
Adam Curry: Okay. But we
appreciate the work of all of
1:52:42
the artists, the show would not
be as successful without you.
1:52:45
There's no doubt about it. No
doubt about it. And we
1:52:51
appreciate it. You can they're
doing this live. So while while
1:52:55
we're talking they will be
uploading art to nogen art
1:52:58
generator.com. Of course a tip
for you new artists typically on
1:53:03
days like Mother's Day, Father's
Day, Christmas Easter, we tend
1:53:07
to go traditional. We're always
looking for something with an
1:53:10
edge but we tend to go
traditional.
1:53:14
John C Dvorak: So if you can
combine traditional with an edge
1:53:17
deals, there's your winner,
there's your winner.
1:53:21
Adam Curry: Now for the so we
all we ask for in return is that
1:53:25
if you get any value from the
show, you know do something back
1:53:28
for the show. hit someone in the
mouth, we asked for time, talent
1:53:32
treasure, you can give us a
boots on the ground report. You
1:53:36
can organize a meet up you can
send us your treasure. What I'd
1:53:39
like to do is since there were
so many executive and Associate
1:53:42
Executive producers who handed
on the spot donations, I'll I'll
1:53:46
do these now. I should just do
everybody real quick. I wrote it
1:53:50
all down. Because I'm not
shuffling through notes. Before
1:53:53
we then get to the rest of our
executive and Associate
1:53:56
Executive Producer. That sounds
okay by you. Yeah, it's fine.
1:54:01
Okay. I'm just asking like a
little meeting on the side
1:54:04
little sidebar. So we had the
raffle that this is something
1:54:08
that's started at these meetups.
It's, it's interesting where
1:54:12
there's a raffle and everybody
puts some donation money into
1:54:15
the pot. There were a lot of
people there so the pot equaled
1:54:19
389 euros and that was won by a
Sebastiana sticker. And he's
1:54:27
from taste your favorite spot.
And so he will be listed as an
1:54:32
executive producer today. He
wants no jingles no karma. Then
1:54:36
we had him Jacobina dame of the
of the doomsday Demers I think
1:54:41
it is and was hard to read. She
gave us a nice card. And 360
1:54:45
euros all this was cash by the
way a couple of people gave us
1:54:48
some actual American money. Kyra
lien may see deer number $100 in
1:54:56
cash and that's towards her Day
a day mode also for her
1:55:01
birthday, which was June 5, and
she says thanks for keeping her
1:55:05
saying. Chantel writes My 50
euros and she wants to deducing
1:55:09
almost second.
1:55:12
Unknown: Can you spend de duced
1:55:15
Adam Curry: rumbled Roberts
hustle Brink 50 euros and a $5
1:55:20
note and very important a KLM
dei pen, which is actually one
1:55:25
of the most interesting things I
received. It literally says
1:55:28
diversity and inclusion on the
pen. I think it's a collector's
1:55:32
item.
1:55:33
John C Dvorak: I think so too.
1:55:34
Adam Curry: Now, I'm not sure
who gave me the no agenda monkey
1:55:37
and I forget who gave me the
Jesus t shirt. But thank you for
1:55:39
that. We got to forever be 12
plus pillboxes from one of our
1:55:47
producers. I'll be sending that
to you, John. That'll keep us
1:55:49
alert and alive forever. God is
a matinee made music T shirts.
1:55:55
No runners pin. Then we had
shady character 33 200 euros so
1:56:01
Associate Executive Producer,
and he has some Oh yes, some
1:56:07
viral viral medical books that
he wants added to the no agenda
1:56:11
books list. We'll do that. No
jingles no karma. Sir. Rome,
1:56:15
Nolan 200 euros Edna Hema
envelope, which was a nice touch
1:56:20
switch roofers deemed to be
Bianca Bianchini and he has been
1:56:27
hitting her in the mouth for 10
years. And finally she started
1:56:30
listening. No jingles no karma.
serpents. 200 euros plus 33.
1:56:35
American sense. You want to
double up karma. You got that
1:56:39
form. You've got karma. And so
that's Associate Executive
1:56:47
Producer his sister Kim gave us
333 euros and 33 cents or full
1:56:53
on executive producer ship. She
lives in Portugal. She wants to
1:56:56
do you spend deed deuced and she
rents out holiday homes in benna
1:57:04
Gil in the Algarve in Portugal.
If you mentioned no agenda while
1:57:08
renting one you get a free
bottle of champagne. Then, very
1:57:12
interesting. Amit, the Israel
Israel lander. Amit is so he's
1:57:19
Israeli. And I mean, he's so
Israeli. John, he's Mossad. Now
1:57:25
you should have said how Israeli
is he? How Israeli is he? He's
1:57:30
so Israeli. If you put on a
black hat and some curly Q's, he
1:57:33
could sell diamonds in New York.
And he and he gave me an
1:57:38
envelope and you know, with the
with 100 euros on it, and the
1:57:41
envelope said, here it is your
Jew money.
1:57:44
John C Dvorak: So yes, by the
way, Israelis don't look like
1:57:48
that.
1:57:50
Adam Curry: Amit does this one.
1:57:52
John C Dvorak: I know you might.
But that doesn't mean he's not
1:57:55
like.
1:57:57
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you
roop this is this is what Amit
1:57:59
looked like. But I just thought
it was funny that he's good
1:58:02
look, he said, Yeah, it was a
great look. Finally he says,
1:58:05
Here's your Jew money. It's
true. We're getting Jew money.
1:58:08
And he says John's about time.
He says John, He loves it when
1:58:12
you say someone's a mnemonic,
because it reminds me he says of
1:58:16
his old Jewish mother.
1:58:19
John C Dvorak: So why she wasn't
a nude Nick. Nick
1:58:24
Adam Curry: Ludwin, luxury and
gave us a bottle of her SMPL dot
1:58:29
international 7072 plant derived
minerals. I'm tripping on him
1:58:34
right now. Got an old Amsterdam
cap from Jacob, I think and 33
1:58:38
euros and you need to do
1:58:42
Unknown: D deuced.
1:58:43
Adam Curry: So thank you all
very much, who came to the
1:58:46
meetup. It was great to see
everybody. It was great to hang
1:58:48
out with you. And we'll do it
again in four more years.
1:58:52
Something like that. It's
tiring, long day. Over to our
1:58:56
Executive Associate Executive
producers came in either through
1:58:59
the PayPal or through the PIO
box checks etc. Or stripe. We
1:59:04
kick it off with Pim interim
from Maastricht the Netherlands
1:59:08
four, five 6.66. And now oh,
this is a meetup donation is why
1:59:14
there's well being invited to
the meetup in Amsterdam. I
1:59:17
realized I couldn't show up
without finally pushing myself
1:59:20
into knighthood. Is he on the
list for knighthood? I take a
1:59:26
look here.
1:59:27
Unknown: Because it's not I
don't think so.
1:59:29
Adam Curry: Not blue. Let me
check.
1:59:33
John C Dvorak: No, he does. Oh,
let
1:59:35
Adam Curry: me see what he says
in the rest of the note. I've
1:59:37
been listening on and off and
depending on my commute
1:59:40
schedule, but always enjoyed it
every second. last donation was
1:59:44
10 years ago. Time flies when
being a douchebag when you're a
1:59:48
douchebag. I guess, Adam? Uh,
well, uh, maybe he's just being
1:59:52
he's on his way to knighthood I
think. No, no, no, not really.
1:59:57
So time flies when you're being
a douchebag hope i Adam would
2:00:00
have enjoyed the best limbers to
fly. Oh yes, there was limbers
2:00:03
to fly which is Dutch cherry
pie. Very good from the best
2:00:08
Baker in the Netherlands. And
not I got nothing else much else
2:00:12
to say no jingles or special
night name kind regards PIM from
2:00:15
Maastricht in the Netherlands,
so I'll just make him serve him.
2:00:18
I think he's Yes, sir. pimelodus
All right.
2:00:23
John C Dvorak: I guess it was
confusing. Yeah. Maggie tindora
2:00:26
Finn, Carlsbad, New Mexico 350.
In honor of my smokin hot candy
2:00:32
and avian husband's birthday on
June 20, I am donating 350 for
2:00:36
Martin north to pull them out of
his current douchebag status.
2:00:43
You've been de deuced Happy
Birthday. Keep up the great
2:00:48
work. Very
2:00:49
Adam Curry: nice. Douglas Murray
Missoula, Montana 338 dot 33
2:00:54
first executive producer
donation so it's doing some
2:00:57
heavy lifting. Happy birthday to
my mom Jerry and Happy Father's
2:01:01
Day to my dad. They lost a son
on May 29. Rest in peace and my
2:01:06
brother and his wife don't do
drugs. He says their babies are
2:01:10
in great hands. So send them
your love and that sounds like a
2:01:13
drama. This is a partial
switcheroo please boost my sis
2:01:18
to bear Netis Dame Ellen of the
dream realm. I'd been a Baronet
2:01:24
already myself, but I went all
in on the dame drive back in the
2:01:27
early days of COVID to get her a
ring and never gotten I did
2:01:29
myself. Oh man. You're a great
brother. Please help me sir. Did
2:01:33
you top of the sharp shovel boot
karma for me please? I'm sorry.
2:01:38
I must have missed the boob
karma. Is there such a thing?
2:01:42
No. We don't have I don't see
your boob karma. Rattlesnake and
2:01:49
eggs with Miss cow at the round
table. If I may thank you for
2:01:53
your courage Douglas Murray.
Well, we do have some karma for
2:01:56
you but not at the booboo you've
got karma but I'm sure you'll
2:01:59
get it works with karma. You ask
you receive
2:02:04
John C Dvorak: Connor Balian tip
city Ohio. Three Three 3.69 ITM
2:02:10
gentlemen, I couldn't resist the
opportunity to donate to the
2:02:12
show number that ends in 69. Can
you please consider this a
2:02:17
randomizer donation as I don't
want my total donation
2:02:21
accounting to be that many sixes
in a row? Please also de douche
2:02:26
my friends sir Nick Leary. Ben
de deuced is a night where he's
2:02:33
never been deduced. I don't
think he needed it. Adam, I
2:02:38
think what you're doing with
booster gram balls and Bitcoin
2:02:42
could revolutionize the music
industry. And peer to peer
2:02:46
payments. perfect use case for
bit playing. I haven't heard one
2:02:51
in a while. I'll have to tune
back in. send prayers instead of
2:02:56
a jingle. Can I get an OH NO
from John. Oh, no. Thank you for
2:03:02
your courage. Connor Bailey. In
Columbus, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio.
2:03:07
Adam Curry: Becky, Kenny, Kenny,
and he she is in Katy, Texas.
2:03:13
Happy Father's Day, James. Thank
you. Appreciate that. Please see
2:03:17
Pay Pal donation of 333 dot 33
To celebrate Father's Day from
2:03:21
my wonderful husband, Baronet.
Well, Baronet Mike, of the great
2:03:27
Katy Prairie. Just look at what
great fathers our sons are to
2:03:31
see how good a father you are. I
love you honey. Keep up the good
2:03:35
work no jingles no karma regards
Becky Kenny Dame with a great
2:03:38
Katy Prairie. That's a beautiful
one Becky.
2:03:42
John C Dvorak: Dame Greta
Harrington comes up from sparks
2:03:44
Nevada. 33333 ITM John and Adam,
Happy Father's Day. Thank you
2:03:48
for your courage,
2:03:49
Adam Curry: sir Larry Columbus,
Ohio. 333 dot 20. Sir Larry here
2:03:54
Happy Father's Day to my dad
Robert Leary. This is a
2:03:56
switcheroo donation. So the
executive producer credit goes
2:04:00
to him. Also Central Ohio meetup
Friday, June 21. And there will
2:04:04
be a Dayton Ohio meetup Saturday
June 22. You got it.
2:04:11
John C Dvorak: Okay, now, I have
to get the notes out. Once you
2:04:15
read this when he added a note
in front of you.
2:04:17
Adam Curry: Yes, I think I do.
What is my my my my soul? My
2:04:22
small screens, man. My small
screens.
2:04:26
John C Dvorak: Shoot where it
was right near me. And I
2:04:28
Adam Curry: got it. I got I
haven't notes open. This is from
2:04:34
it's this. This is a $300. Yes,
I'm saying that right. Yes. And
2:04:39
this is from Charlotte from San
Francisco. And I have the note
2:04:44
here. Luckily, it's a yellow
paper. Apparently, there's a
2:04:48
post it note. Adam and John.
Listen to your show often and
2:04:52
never feel I've wasted my time
aiming for a dame hood for a
2:04:56
year from now. I have my number
straight. Okay, I hope you do.
2:05:00
Thanks for anchoring so many of
us to sanity anchoring to
2:05:04
sanity. With lots of last thrown
in, keep on keepin on, says
2:05:09
Charlotte
2:05:12
John C Dvorak: the general with
a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt Jen with a
2:05:18
G Gen or Gen Gen Gen a Gen G Gen
Gen with a G A G G and Wyatt
2:05:28
then Liberty Lake Washington. tu
tu tu tu tu tu first Associate
2:05:31
Executive Producer. This row of
ducks is to honor Kyle the spook
2:05:36
A Spokane this Father's Day is
brought more joy to us as a
2:05:40
father than we could have ever
imagined. Please send us more
2:05:43
baby making karma we got that.
Still working on it but as you
2:05:48
to suggested John Adam will be
on the list of possible names.
2:05:55
We love you Kyle. Love Jen with
a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt. Imagine
2:06:00
if they have twins.
2:06:03
Adam Curry: It's John Adams. Or
how about Charles and Clark? Our
2:06:07
middle names is also not good
you happen to bend over kids
2:06:11
here's your bad karma
2:06:15
John C Dvorak: is not the baby
making karma?
2:06:17
Adam Curry: Yeah it is Dane best
not Oh you're right I'm sorry
2:06:23
it's so new the baby making
karma that I forgot we had it
2:06:28
here we go. There's your baby
making karma Come on, baby. Come
2:06:31
on up.
2:06:34
Unknown: You've got Parma
2:06:41
Adam Curry: you put that one
together yourself? I did on
2:06:44
Audacity. Yeah. Cool. That's a
good one. Day Beth is in Tucson
2:06:52
with a row of ducks. 222 dot 22
Heil boys, calling all Tucson
2:06:56
slaves to join us for libation
snacks and fun. During the
2:06:59
second summer solstice Soiree.
This Thursday at Kings crown
2:07:04
from four to seven. It's a dry
heat. No jingles no karma damn
2:07:08
Beth bareness of the Baja
Arizona.
2:07:11
Unknown: Que me to do this.
2:07:15
John C Dvorak: I got de you
might as well you got him open
2:07:17
to
2:07:17
Adam Curry: him. Bang bang to
1875 John Adam, it has been a
2:07:22
long time since my last
donation. Wishing you both a
2:07:25
Happy Father's Day. Thank you.
Did you get anything for
2:07:28
Father's Day?
2:07:29
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I gotta get
from J.
2:07:31
Adam Curry: Oh, what did she
give you? Can we talk about it?
2:07:34
John C Dvorak: Well, it was it
was what she gave me is a crazy
2:07:37
something she saw on Tik Tok.
Yes. It's a crazy Lazy Susan
2:07:43
device that goes onto one of the
shelves with your refrigerator.
2:07:48
And you load it up with
everything you need to spin it
2:07:51
around and it tucks back in
there. It's an absolutely key.
2:07:54
If you have a refrigerator
that's deep like I do. It's the
2:07:58
only way and get to the stuff in
the back. It works great. What
2:08:01
are you gonna put in it
condiments? No, it's all
2:08:04
condiments already. She already
installed it. And yeah, it's
2:08:08
called most economists. And in
fact, in the process of doing
2:08:10
that I discovered a mustard that
I lost somehow in the
2:08:13
refrigerator years
2:08:14
Adam Curry: ago. Any other
treasures back there?
2:08:18
John C Dvorak: Not anything
major. Okay, good. My
2:08:22
Adam Curry: daughter is taking
me on a pancake boat tour.
2:08:27
John C Dvorak: Do pancakes
float? No.
2:08:30
Adam Curry: But they will be
making pancakes while they tour
2:08:32
through the waters of Rotterdam.
Which I've never done. Yeah,
2:08:36
never done that. And it's
supposed to be beautiful weather
2:08:39
when we do it on Tuesday. So
back to Dame Bang Bang wishing
2:08:45
us both a Happy Father's Day.
Please accept this donation in
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honor of Sir DH slammer. Who is
a wonderful father and husband.
2:08:51
He will be celebrating his
birthday on 618 So this is a
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we'll have a we'll have on the
list. Happy Father's Day and
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birthday. My night love Dane
bang bang. Isn't that nice?
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John C Dvorak: He will he got
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and no note NOAC anything you're
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Unknown: You've got karma.
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Adam Curry: Amy Lipinski Cold
Springs Minnesota to 1060 must
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include some fees there
appreciate it. Good morning,
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gents. Switch route today for my
my excuse me. My smokin hot
2:09:44
husband Dan the man Dan
Lipinski. Happy Father's Day
2:09:47
from your loving wife Amy Lynn
and your loving but sometimes
2:09:51
difficult daughter zayley. Thank
you for all you do for us. Is it
2:09:56
is zayley zayley. I
2:09:57
John C Dvorak: think it's just a
difficult daughter I think a
2:10:00
mnemonic
2:10:01
Adam Curry: is there any other
kind? That's at certain ages?
2:10:04
They're all difficult daughters.
That's what dads would tell you
2:10:06
if they're honest. Thank you for
all you do for us. Dan used
2:10:11
dailies Christmas money on a
donation for me for Mother's
2:10:14
Day. So I figured we might as
well use her birthday money for
2:10:17
it but Father's Day that's how
you do it with those difficult
2:10:21
daughters Good job mom. seemed
logical to me. Anyway, thank you
2:10:25
Dan for supporting us always and
really supporting me in his
2:10:27
first year of running my own
business. If you're in my area,
2:10:31
Cold Spring Minnesota and are in
need of a new hairstylist. Look
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me up. Refreshed, LLC. That's
refreshed, LLC. Thank you, John
2:10:41
and Adam for your continued
media construction. It is highly
2:10:44
appreciated. Happy Father's Day
all father's out there from Amy
2:10:48
Lipinski.
2:10:51
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in
Colorado to under seven bucks.
2:10:55
This donation is in memory of my
father, a guy worthy of a Kid
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Rock song who was taken from us
by dem aside in the COVID
2:11:03
nightmare of summer 2021. I
transmitted it to him and while
2:11:08
he could have easily been saved
by early treatment, instead, he
2:11:12
was allowed to die alone in a
hospital surrounded by people
2:11:15
who load him to guilt his broken
me and my mom is completely
2:11:20
nosedives sense. Christians,
including myself better wake up
2:11:24
to the reality that you'll be
turning the other cheek when
2:11:28
some gun toting POS government
dude wearing a dress is loading
2:11:33
you into a box car. So I know
the show's already has one bus,
2:11:38
goat calm and God bless you both
John and Adam.
2:11:42
Adam Curry: Wow, I'm sorry to
hear that anonymous. Can be
2:11:45
praying for him. You've got
karma. Wise words, wise words
2:11:53
Eli, the coffee guy, Bensenville
Illinois 206 13. And he wants to
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dedicate this Father's Day
donation to the man who
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influenced him most. He says my
grandfather Bucky gear Tich
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gear, which I think is gear
teach Bucky. He was union he was
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a union pipe cover, who helped
build several nuclear power
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plants and refineries throughout
the Midwest, and was the type of
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guy who could fix just about
anything with a roll of duct
2:12:21
tape, a wrench and a
screwdriver. If you're alive, if
2:12:25
that's a man, that's an American
man right there. If he were
2:12:27
alive today, I believe Bucky
would have enjoyed no agenda.
2:12:30
One of his favorite saying was
kid, look who's getting paid and
2:12:34
that'll tell you everything you
need to know. A karma for all
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the dads out there this Father's
Day and remember, it's always a
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good time to send dad some
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You've got karma
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John C Dvorak: then you loop
Atkins up and she says she's in
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Lakewood, Colorado. She says
this is a little different. Is
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it's such a grind. But a great
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Adam Curry: no, you misread it
when you said a great friend
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makes it easier. But
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John C Dvorak: a great resume
makes it easier. No she's a
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friend all the resume okay
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Adam Curry: because your
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John C Dvorak: go to Image
makers calm. In fact, a great
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friend makes it easier. It's
true, it is true. I go to Image
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your executive resume and job
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That's her job bonus.
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Adam Curry: Big bonus. And
finally, our last Associate
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Executive producer is Chase
Tomlinson in Austin, Texas $200
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an episode of 668 My friend
Donnie donated and credited me
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with punching him in the mouth.
While I was happy and proud of
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my good friend. I felt like a
douche bag. To counter his
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contribution. I'm offering
dueling douchebag donation of
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$200. No jingles, no karma.
Beautiful. Thank you very much
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Chase. I encourage this
activity. And with that we thank
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all of our meetup participants
here in Amsterdam and today's
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Unknown: Our formula is this. We
go out. We hit people in the
2:14:54
mouth
2:15:09
Adam Curry: All right. I want to
I want to hit us with the bird
2:15:12
flu right away because they
cannot stop. They just can't
2:15:15
stop for whatever reason. They
can't stop. And it's spreading.
2:15:21
Not what have some CBS clips. I
2:15:23
John C Dvorak: know you probably
noticed that spreading it all.
2:15:25
Adam Curry: The meme is
spreading the bird flu mean.
2:15:28
John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, for
sure. Yeah, that right and most
2:15:30
Adam Curry: interesting, I would
have to say and I do have some
2:15:32
CBS clips. I know you have a
couple as well, because we have
2:15:35
to stay on top of this because
we were a little lacks. When
2:15:38
that COVID thing came along. We
were laughing at the people
2:15:41
fallen down on Tik Tok in China.
He was all funny. And there was
2:15:46
no one dying and they were just
ramping it up and then all of a
2:15:48
sudden we were locked down and
life change for everybody. But
2:15:51
now it is we already identified
this happening on the last show
2:15:57
where Chris Cuomo started
talking about you know, the the
2:16:04
flu vid and the flu Vax and
should we take it who did and I
2:16:09
think news, I think News, News
News Mac news nation has been
2:16:14
compromised. And this is the
Cuomo show with some feeling kid
2:16:19
and listen to what he has to
say, could
2:16:21
Unknown: we be on the verge of
another pandemic and one that
2:16:25
could be even worse than the one
caused by Coronavirus. This
2:16:29
time, it could actually be bird
flu. Let's hope not. The CDC is
2:16:32
now calling for more testing for
bird flu at America's farms
2:16:36
sounding alarms after several
farm workers contracted the
2:16:40
disease from animals since 2003.
There have been 888 confirmed
2:16:45
human cases worldwide, according
to the DC, CDC, but but here's
2:16:49
the scary part half of those
half of those patients died from
2:16:53
the disease. Compare that to
COVID in which just 0.6% of
2:16:58
people who tested positive
actually died. The fear now is
2:17:03
that the bird flu is changing,
adapting and could spread to not
2:17:07
just birds, but also cattle and
pigs and then eventually spread
2:17:10
from human to human.
2:17:12
Adam Curry: So that's just the
setup. Well, that's
2:17:15
John C Dvorak: worse than
anything report I've heard
2:17:17
because he's used the current
the term is changing. And
2:17:22
adapting. It's not.
2:17:24
Adam Curry: Oh, but it doesn't
have to do anything. It doesn't
2:17:27
have to exist. All I'm waiting
for now is Johns Hopkins. This
2:17:33
one needs to come out with some
charts.
2:17:35
John C Dvorak: I think we need I
think we're in intermix with my
2:17:38
three clips as a Johns Hopkins
2:17:40
Adam Curry: may really you
really have a Johns Hopkins
2:17:42
mentioned I
2:17:43
John C Dvorak: just mentioned, I
think there may be one in there.
2:17:46
Adam Curry: Well, let me let me
get through these. And let's see
2:17:48
if you have a Johns Hopkins.
This is the introduction of a
2:17:52
guy who I kind of had respect
for but I've lost it now. This
2:17:57
is Redfield, the guy from the
CDC who resigned who left he was
2:18:02
like this is no good and he was
kind of in the in the man this
2:18:07
is bullcrap. We shouldn't have
done it this way
2:18:09
John C Dvorak: Academy put a gun
to his head there. Yeah, yeah.
2:18:11
Hey,
2:18:13
Adam Curry: what's this picture
man?
2:18:14
Unknown: Former CDC director
Robert Redfield, who helped
2:18:17
oversee our country's response
to COVID says it is definitely
2:18:21
time to take this more
seriously. And Dr. Redfield
2:18:25
joins me live now. It's always
nice to see you, doctor. I
2:18:27
remember you told Chris not long
ago, that the bird flu could
2:18:32
make COVID COVID look like a
little pandemic, which was quite
2:18:36
alarming. I mean, is that really
the case? Yes, Brian,
2:18:39
I really do think it's very
likely that we will at some
2:18:43
time, it's not a question of, if
it's more of a question of when
2:18:47
we will have a bird flu
pandemic. And, as you mentioned,
2:18:53
unfortunately, bird flu has,
when it does enter humans has a
2:18:58
significant mortality, probably
somewhere between 25 and 50%
2:19:04
mortality. So it's going to be
quite complicated. Since 2019,
2:19:08
we've had a progressive increase
in bird flu in chickens and
2:19:12
ducks and turkeys in our
country. And since then, you've
2:19:15
seen it now go into a number of
mammals. It's now in over 25
2:19:20
different mammals, I think now
with the lions recently is now
2:19:23
in 27 minutes in the llamas
animals in the United States.
2:19:27
Why is that important? Is why
know exactly what has to happen
2:19:32
for bird flu to be infectious
for you and go human to human
2:19:37
scientist in 2012 actually did
experiments in the lab using
2:19:42
function research, which I'm not
in favor of, but two scientists
2:19:46
did it and they figured the five
amino acids that have to change
2:19:49
in a key receptor in order for
us to gain a propensity to bind
2:19:55
to the human receptor and then
be able to go human to human. So
2:19:59
Adam Curry: if I hear this Guy
correctly, he's just saying it
2:20:02
that all they have to do is pull
the trigger the recipe you can
2:20:06
get it from me Chad GPT they
just have to change the five
2:20:11
little bits and then we can have
bird flu. That's what he's
2:20:15
saying.
2:20:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's very
true what they're doing this
2:20:18
what they're working on is that
like, you know, the Peter
2:20:20
McCullough clips describe this
perfectly, and they named the
2:20:24
lab and the people. He did a
pretty good job of that even
2:20:27
though I got a nasty note from
somebody saying up here, my call
2:20:29
is part of the op.
2:20:32
Adam Curry: Well, he's certainly
well, if the OP is to tell us
2:20:36
that they I mean, what I'm
hearing now because this is news
2:20:39
nation. This is not CNN is not
CBS. CBS is not NPR. And we know
2:20:45
this is the Cuomo show, which by
itself is clearly some kind of
2:20:49
op. Clearly guy can't apologize
for anything. And then take that
2:20:56
with what Macaulay is saying
they are basically saying
2:20:59
without saying it, they can do
it to you. They can do it. Now
2:21:06
what that means is little
interesting because I don't
2:21:09
recall McCullough saying 50% of
people will die from the bird
2:21:13
flu there's no evidence so
2:21:15
John C Dvorak: he's the
opposite. Yeah, he said this is
2:21:17
all the people that is and he
said I'll just reiterate without
2:21:21
him to play these clips again.
He said that the people who died
2:21:25
at a higher death rate of bird
flu are the ones out in the
2:21:28
middle of nowhere China, where
are they handling a lot of birds
2:21:33
and again Depp getting bird flu
and then they never get treated
2:21:36
at all and they're just left to
die and so they die at a high
2:21:40
rate but that's not what would
happen in a normal situation. So
2:21:46
that the bogus that deaths rate
numbers bogus
2:21:49
Adam Curry: Okay, so but but the
idea they can do it Redfield is
2:21:53
now propagating the
2:21:54
John C Dvorak: idea what they
could do is not kill people
2:21:56
whose is the changed amino acid
so it becomes human, the human
2:22:00
transmissible, but according to
Makala, again, this is just a
2:22:03
result in everybody having
conjunctivitis it would be kind
2:22:06
of gory to watch, look around at
what people look
2:22:09
Adam Curry: like. And we'll have
to test with swabs in our eyes,
2:22:11
which
2:22:13
John C Dvorak: that is right. I
forgot about that. Yes, well,
2:22:16
well,
2:22:16
Adam Curry: I think the key word
here is just like we had the
2:22:19
ferrets during COVID I think the
llamas, the llamas are the ones
2:22:25
who look out for when the llama
start keeling over, then you
2:22:27
know they've released
2:22:28
Unknown: it, is it like COVID?
Where if you cough someone else
2:22:30
can get it? Is that how it
spreads? Or does it spread a
2:22:33
different way? No,
2:22:34
it's likely to spread through
aerosols and droplets is how
2:22:37
it's going to eventually spread
mascot. And once the once the
2:22:41
virus gains the ability to
attach to the human receptor,
2:22:46
and then go human to human,
that's when you're going to have
2:22:49
the pandemic. And as I said, I
think it's just a matter of
2:22:52
time. Normally, the five amino
acid changes is a huge, huge