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June 16th, 2024 • 3h 26m

1669: You-Crane

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John C Dvorak: How Israeli is he?
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Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Devora.
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Adam Curry: June 16 2024. This is your award winning
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combination media assassination episode 1669. This
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Unknown: is no agenda. Celebrating
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Adam Curry: dad's and broadcasting live from 11 feet
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below sea level from Schiphol Airport in the Netherlands in
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the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
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John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where we all want
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to get rid of the term on sweet. I'm Jessie
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Unknown: Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: I love it. There's at least a two second delay.
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It's great. The opening was not as tight as you think it was.
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Unknown: Okay. We'll move on leg.
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Adam Curry: Oh, is that what it is? Like? Yes. Well, here I am.
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John. 11 feet below sea level at at the airport. And you feel the
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pressure? No, no. And honestly, it was supposed to rain this
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entire week. Today is an absolutely gorgeous day.
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Surprise warming. Surprisingly, yes, surprise. It's
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John C Dvorak: funny. They can't predicted weather very
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accurately, but yet.
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Adam Curry: I know. I know. We had we had the big meetup here.
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Yesterday.
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Unknown: How they go, dude.
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Adam Curry: Dude, dude, it was this is one of the best meetups
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I've ever been to. It was. It
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John C Dvorak: was embarrassing. The Carnival that they set up
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for you in Texas?
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Adam Curry: It was up there. I mean, they're all up there. You
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know, obviously Indianapolis is good. The the Bastrop meet up
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was good. There was 115 producers and they had to chop
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it off at 115 because the fire marshal said we couldn't have
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more people than 115 and it was it was good. I mean, we had no
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agenda. Producers come in early Valtor. And Ruth they they they
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organized everything at this place called Cafe Dolch merch
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which is really a like a podcast studio but then with a whole
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like a whole bar and meeting place connected to it. And and
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they they brought food or different kinds of curries that
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was pulled pork. I don't know if you saw it. I think it might
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have sent you a link below there. No, no, no, we
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John C Dvorak: don't know. When I was in headlights. I was gonna
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be different curries. You said Oh,
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Adam Curry: boy. Did you see the video I took of the amygdala PCR
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machine, one of the producers put together? No, oh, you've got
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to see that. So it's it looks like he posted. I think on
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Twitter, probably. You can look it up real quick. I tell you
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this, it kind of looks like a little mini kiosk it was
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completely built with a screen and a receipt printer and a hole
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on the front. And it says you know, put your finger in the
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hole and then had this it had multiple versions of it. But the
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screen went by analyzing your amygdala spinning up PCR cycles,
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sending off your vaccine status and this whole thing and then at
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the end, says pull your finger out. And then it prints out a
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little receipt that was your amygdala passport. And the whole
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thing was fantastic. It was just one of those creative things
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that they do over here.
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Unknown: You haven't looked at Oh, have you? Like look, I
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John C Dvorak: don't have a Twitter account on this podcast
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on computer. I keep it isolated. You
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Adam Curry: need to have a Twitter account on your show on
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your show rig dude. Dude, you're right, dude. They had the roll
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up JCD poster. They had a whole sound system and Frank aka Mike
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I think he was the he was spinning tunes everyone's dance
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and we had the no agenda jingle bingo, which I had never
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witnessed before. But the handout cards with all the
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different indoor jingles that I've forgotten, completely
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forgotten. And you know, that prizes, which included stuff
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like boxes of mac and cheese and screaming goats and it was very
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thoughtful. And I would say the main thing and you know, I'll be
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thanking some people later because everyone heard what you
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said. When they gave a donation they put it in an envelope with
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a note came up personally, I think I'm pretty sure I met
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everybody spoke with everybody. I was there from, I don't know
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four until 11. It was it was a long, long day, especially since
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I've just flown in from Texas. But the camaraderie of these
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people here we have no idea how bad it was here during the COVID
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lockdowns. Remember, they had curfews and all kinds of weird
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stuff. You couldn't go anywhere without a QR code that showed
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you at it. You know, you're vaccinated. And this is a tight
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group. It's so Almost, it's kind of like they went through some
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traumatic World War event together. You laugh, but it's,
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in a way, it's sad. It's like it must have been really, really
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bad. And of course, they had a raffle and we'll be thanking
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that executive producer later on. And I would say that too.
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There's a lot of people I met Taunton nail, Walter, I'll talk
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about later, who I guess had met 32 years ago for the first time
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when she was 13. At some, some showbiz event I was doing but
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the cool guys who had who had not met before was code monkey
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Tim, who did our wet who does our website and also did the No,
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no agenda dot stream and OYSTEIN. Bear her, you know him
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from, from the from the donation segment.
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John C Dvorak: I know him from pronouncing his name wrong. Nine
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out of 10 times.
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Adam Curry: So Matt, imagine like a Viking who is nine feet
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tall, has the whole beard and you know, like the red beard and
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the mustache and everything. And he's but He's thin. He's he's
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really thin. And he's kind of he's an alien. His dancing was
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more like Body Slam kind of mosh pits. He's a funny guy. Anyway,
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I'll talk about some of the other producers who were there.
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Because a lot of people donated and it was really he was a great
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time. Thank you. Thank you to the very tight, no agenda
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community here in the Netherlands. People came from
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from north from south. Some even came from other countries, just
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to be here. It was great. It was groovy. So I really haven't left
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the airport. I do have a quick tab, a travel report if you're
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interested.
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John C Dvorak: I think we've all everybody's interested in a
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travel report if it's interesting. Well, it's
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Adam Curry: It's short. It's it's more because of the just
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how smooth it was. I was a bit concerned I was flying on United
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Airlines. It was the cheapest for me to get from San Antonio
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to Amsterdam for some reason, the price if you want to go from
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if you want to direct flight, you have to go from Austin. It's
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three times as expensive and only on delta or KLM. It's like,
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okay, and I looked at San Antonio. So I flew from San
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Antonio to Houston. And from Houston to Amsterdam. This is
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the airline that has a CEO is the dude in the dress. It was on
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a Boeing Boeing triple seven. So you know, I don't know what's
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you know, there's only two engines. Who knows what's gonna
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happen. I have to say, everything was fantastic. The
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connection was smooth. It was I had to walk about 15 minutes
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when I got to Houston almost walked right straight into
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boarding the cabin personnel were cheery and happy and
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bright. Just excited to see me.
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John C Dvorak: It was a day did they dance? One of
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Adam Curry: the guys could have I think but he didn't. It was,
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you know, I really expected it to be bad just based on our own
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reporting like, what was going on with this airline? It was
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great. It really was good.
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John C Dvorak: Well, that's good to know. Yeah. Because United is
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the main carrier out of San Francisco. Yeah. And of course
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you hit the report over the weekend. Was that the it looks
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like the Chinese have been selling a fake titanium. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: I have a clip. I don't know if you have
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John C Dvorak: one please. Yes play a second.
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Adam Curry: Here we go. Yes, I got that one. Even more
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Unknown: turbulence for Boeing. The commercial airline maker
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along with Airbus are staring down allegations that they may
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have used counterfeit titanium and their aircraft. That's
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according to evidence from a supplier that has now triggered
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a Federal Aviation Administration investigation.
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Spirit aero system alleges that the two aviation giants use
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titanium in their planes that came with paperwork that may
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have been falsified. Today's news adds to the growing trouble
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for Boeing, which has been the subject of ongoing federal
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investigations for many safety problems.
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John C Dvorak: You go, they left out the main part of the story.
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Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us that fake
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John C Dvorak: titanium came from China, of course. And
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they're the ones who folded up the paperwork. Heaven forbid
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we'd mentioned that. And titanium we used to always get
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in for aircraft generally speaking was from Russia, which
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we've boycotted we can't take their stuff anymore. So let's
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take the fake stuff from China seems to be more the story to
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me. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: no, that's not what I that's all I had was that part
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of the story. They did not mention that and that was it
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sounded like NBC, or ABC. The news over here is pretty much
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really only two things. foosball, sports ball because
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the UEFA Cup is on and everyone's I don't have anyone
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that yours listening to the show because Holland was playing
10:02
earlier and thinks Slovenia is playing and oh boy,
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John C Dvorak: oh, I don't want to miss that Oh, football.
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Adam Curry: And then the g7 a lot of reporting on the g7. The
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hotel seems to have 8000 channels of news now, which is
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kind of different. You get France 24 and five languages
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including Well, French, obviously. But they also seem to
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do a German version, which I'd never seen before. France 24
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German version, something's going on an invasion. And the
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news was, except for one report was all pretty much the same.
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This is the BBC
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Unknown: at the g7 summit in Italy, the official agenda was
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dominated by migration and China's trade policies. But
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there's been much talk about a speech by President Putin that
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he called an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine if certain conditions
10:54
were met. They were that Ukraine will give up four regions in the
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East partially occupied by Russia now and abandon ambitions
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to join NATO. Western leaders dismissed the offer as a demand
11:05
for Ukraine to capitulate with key of calling the proposals
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offensive to common sense. So
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Adam Curry: that's pretty much what that's yes.
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John C Dvorak: We got that story today. It was Jake Sullivan came
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out so this is nuts. Who would agree to such a crazy thing.
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Let's kill more Ukrainians.
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Adam Curry: It's so weird because most of the reports I
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have us stateside, they talk about so Lenski and 10 year deal
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and money. And they just say you know Russia wasn't invited today
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Unknown: here in Italy. The President also meeting with g7
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leaders trying to send a strong message to Russia's President
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Putin signing a 10 year security agreement committing the US to
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help train and equip Ukraine's military. And we have signed
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this strongest agreement within us since our independence, the
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g7 leaders today also agreeing to use interest from Russian
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assets to lend Ukraine $50 billion as the US expands
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sanctions against banks in countries such as China that do
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business with Russia, the sanctions have so far done
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little to stop Putin,
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he cannot divide us. And we will be with Ukraine until they
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prevail in this war.
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President Solinsky Chinese President Xi told him by phone
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that he wouldn't sell weapons to Russia, though President Biden
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is skeptical.
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China is not supplying weapons, but the ability to produce those
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weapons and the technology available to do it.
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Adam Curry: So that was that was kind of the news over here was
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the although it's not really in the report. It was kind of like
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well, you know, if Russia I mean, China, if you still want
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to play with the big boys, you know, you don't want to get
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sanctioned or anything like we did. Vladimir,
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Unknown: the g7 briefly became the group of 25 Oh, Italy
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invited 18 heads of state and international organizations to
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join the bloc on day two of the Leaders Summit.
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We will never accept the narrative that wants the West
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against the rest.
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Turkey's president Reggie of Thai Buddha one was among the
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gathering, joining a lengthy three and a half hour long
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session on artificial intelligence, energy and Africa
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Mediterranean issues. On the sidelines, he held bilateral
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talks with the leaders of the United Arab Emirates and Brazil.
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For the first time a pontiff addressed a g7 summit, Pope
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Francis was invited as a special guest speaker discussing the
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ethical challenges of artificial intelligence.
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We will condemn humanity to a hopeless future if we took away
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people's ability to make decisions about themselves and
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their lives by condemning them to depend on the choices of
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machines. g7
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leaders also discussed irregular migration and how to tackle its
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root causes.
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illegal migration is now a global emergency. More people
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are moving across borders than at any time in our history. We
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cannot stand by and watch this human tragedy unfold.
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After a packed two days schedule. The Summit has wrapped
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up with the adoption of the leaders joint communique. It
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contained some strong language directed at China with g7
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leaders vowing to tackle what they called China's unfair
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business practices. I thought
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Adam Curry: that was a little more interesting than just
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Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine Russia the Pope was there Yeah,
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John C Dvorak: I have a three by three Oh, hold on.
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Adam Curry: We had some technical problems so I'm not as
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on the ball as I should be. Well, do you uh Do you know John
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Unknown: experiment by JC do it oh no after the bearings Don't
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worry from ABC
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Adam Curry: three All right everybody let's get it's been a
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while it's been a hot minutes and we'll see how to three by
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three.
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John C Dvorak: Well let's start with Selena wind is all about
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Pope Wang on NBC ABC
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Unknown: tonight President Biden wrapping up the g7 summit with
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world leaders sharing a tender moment with Pope Francis in
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Italy. leader meeting one on one with the pontiff gifting him a
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decorative tray with an image of the capitol rotunda
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at the Vatican. But
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two leaders discussing the urgent need for a ceasefire in
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Gaza and the war in Ukraine party with a handshake Pope
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Francis telling the President Francis the First pontiff ever
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to address the g7 delivering a warning about artificial
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intelligence, urging the leaders to put more guardrails in place
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guardrails, saying, quote, we would condemn humanity to a
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future without hope, by dooming them to depend on the choices of
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machines. An earlier a later moment at the Vatican, Pope
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Francis meeting with comedians like Chris Rock, Stephen
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Colbert, and Whoopi Goldberg saying, in the midst of so much
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gloomy news, you have the power to spread serenity and smiles.
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And wit, the g7 leaders here are backing the ceasefire deal that
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President Biden had laid out. They say that the number of
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civilian casualties in Gaza is unacceptable. And they're urging
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Israel not to launch a full scale invasion into Rafah.
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Adam Curry: So who put together the guest list for the
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comedian's?
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John C Dvorak: You're asking the wrong guy Whoopi Goldberg,
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Adam Curry: Jimmy Kimmel. I mean, Chris Rock, Okay, how
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about to ask any but like real comedians? How about Dave Dave
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Smith comedian Dave Smith. They should have put him on the list
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and Joe Rogan could put them on the list and No, no,
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John C Dvorak: there's Rory wrong party wrong party okay.
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Even though Rogen is a Democrat, I'm sure but he has not he
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hasn't followed a party line to stream but oops oh
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Adam Curry: he's no good. Goldberg when's the last time
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she did stand up?
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John C Dvorak: She hasn't done stand up for 40 years Yeah,
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exactly. I saw actually saw her do stand up ruling when she was
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still doing stand up and she wasn't that good.
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Adam Curry: You see all right.
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John C Dvorak: She did the kind of stand up it was a I've seen
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this before where you kind of make up something and then riff
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on it on something you made up like say for example, Hey, you
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know when you get on an airline and and it's funny that all the
17:34
seats are plaid. It's just the weirdest thing. Every seats
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plaid, what are these guys? Are they a bunch of loggers?
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Adam Curry: That's 1980s Like Paul Provenza level comedy.
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John C Dvorak: It's like, well, first of all, there's no plaid
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seats that I remember. And then to riff on something that
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doesn't exist, which is what she her bid was, oh, and she did it
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with all kinds of observational humor, which was not
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observational at all was made. It
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Adam Curry: was lies. There are lies
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John C Dvorak: classic. Onward with NBC.
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Unknown: Tonight President Biden wrapping up the g7 summit in
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Italy after a private meeting with Pope Francis. The
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President, a devout Catholic greeted the pontiff along with
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other g7 leaders, the pope urging them to establish
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guardrails for AI guardrails, FTP, totally artificial
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intelligence. It's a fascinating tool and also a terrifying one.
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He says the pope using his pulpit in non traditional ways
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hosting a gathering of more than 100 comedians and actors at the
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Vatican, including Balan Whoopi Goldberg and Chris Rock among
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others, telling them in the midst of so much gloomy news,
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you have the power to spread peace and smile. Oh
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Adam Curry: no, we're lost. I'm gonna count on those guys to
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sense peace and smiles.
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John C Dvorak: Whoo. If they said there's 100 actors and
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comedians, why did they name the exact same three words clearly
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be seen named?
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Adam Curry: Where's Clooney? Clooney should have been there.
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If there were actors with JLo Where's Beyonce? I'm not used to
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this
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John C Dvorak: meeting questions that I can't answer um, I'm just
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either way Did you see the video of Biden going up to the Pope
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and then banging his head against him
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Adam Curry: the pope have to adjust his cap.
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John C Dvorak: With that little little focus in a wheelchair
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something
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Adam Curry: on the top of his head that
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John C Dvorak: little vein goes yeah, this a pope hat. It's
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definitely he banged him in the forehead and he didn't he kept
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his head against his his start chatting with him now and was
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very bizarre was on Tik Tok. The news media wouldn't cover
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anything like that. To get good at tick tock
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Adam Curry: here on infinite loop was the D Day video of
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Biden wandering off when those parachuters Hannah the thing
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that disappointed me and she kind of showed me her color is
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what was Georgia Maloney doing going and saving him? Oh, no,
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no,
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John C Dvorak: he likes it. am I've seen this before Maloney.
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There's also another video going around with Maloney giving the
20:08
evil eye the sting, to Murcia McCrone I saw that one, but But
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when she runs into Binus, like your granddad or something,
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she's She seems very protective.
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Adam Curry: Oh, and then everyone immediately everyone's
20:20
in on it. So she she turns him around. Oh, Mr. President, look
20:23
over here. And everyone then immediately shuffles over to
20:26
stand behind Biden. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we're looking from
20:29
this vantage point. That's right, Mr. President. It was it
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was pathetic.
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John C Dvorak: It was pretty bad. Yeah. And where was our
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final clip was just CBS and Nancy Cordis
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Unknown: meeting of the minds at the g7 summit, where Pope
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Francis, who arrived by helicopter this morning shared
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his concerns about artificial intelligence, he didn't get a
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chance to challenge the pontiff urged the world leaders gathered
20:54
here to establish stronger global guardrails for the
20:57
development of AI and to ban so called killer robots altogether,
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the autonomous weapons systems can choose their targets using
21:07
sensors with no human guidance at all. We'll be showing you the
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data. We need to ensure proper human control over the choices
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made by AI programs. He warned. Human Dignity itself depends on
21:22
it. The Pope was an early advocate for Ethics in AI and AI
21:27
generated deep fake of him and a white puffer coat went viral
21:31
last year. But that's just one example of what experts say are
21:35
the potentially troubling implications. Oh, democracy. Oh,
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Adam Curry: the pope in a puffer coat is troubling for democracy.
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Biden issued
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Unknown: an executive order last year requiring domestic AI
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developers to share their safety test results with the US
21:51
government. The Pope's stress today that human emotions can
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never truly be replicated by a computer and as if to prove that
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point. He posted this photo from his meeting yesterday with more
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than 100 comics, and comedians. There you see Stephen Colbert,
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Chris Rock, Jimmy Fallon, he told them that they unite people
22:11
because laughter is contagious. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: he should have said it is connection is protection.
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That would have been funny, but no, I don't want to wander too
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far from from the other topics. We just want to switch back to
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the g7 Ukraine for a moment.
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John C Dvorak: I want to before we do that, I want to comment on
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that clip. Sure. What kind of safety tests need to be shared?
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And what is the safety test when it comes to AI?
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Adam Curry: Well, the safety test I'm asking you I'm gonna
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tell you the safety test is that people aren't confused when you
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use the new what's the what's the new version of the image
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software that came out when you say woman laying down the chose
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these contorted three three armed ladies upside down all
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squashed together? Have you seen this? Yeah, it's what's the not
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Dali but what's the other? What's the other big image?
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Journeys one? Oh, it's one troll room helped me out. It's like
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all everyone's talking about it's it's it's the whole thing
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is a mess.
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John C Dvorak: It was talking about Star Wars.
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Adam Curry: Everybody everybody's talking about if
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there's a will there's entire Reddit of people. People posting
23:30
these images. This whole thing just doesn't work. And it's like
23:32
version. Yeah. But what's.
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John C Dvorak: How is that unsafe?
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Adam Curry: That's what I mean. There's nothing unsafe. It just
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doesn't work. So oh, it's unsafe. It's in the lab. The
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stuff in the lab is what's unsafe? Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's
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not Mira Marathi. Since you took us there. The Chief Technology
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Officer of open AI. What do you think the quote? What are the
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qualifications of someone who was a chief technology officer?
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What are the things you kind of need to know? Do
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John C Dvorak: you have to have owned an apple to pay as you go?
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So
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Adam Curry: here's her whole career. She won a scholarship
24:11
and attended Pearson, United World College of the Pacific and
24:14
Canada. Graduated 2005. Then she pursued a dual degree in the
24:18
United States, bachelor of arts and mathematics from Colby. And
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then she went
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John C Dvorak: James Colby, the CIA guy. No.
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Adam Curry: And then she has her first job was, I think it was
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Tesla. So she was in Tesla. And then she goes to open AI. So
24:41
like, I don't know if she's a coder, might be by buses. I'm
24:47
John C Dvorak: like it.
24:48
Adam Curry: So here's what she said recently about the immune
24:51
all the dangerous stuff that they have in the lab
24:54
Unknown: inside the labs. We have this capable models and
25:00
have, you know they're not that far ahead from what the public
25:04
has access to, for free? Well
25:07
Adam Curry: hold on a second. If it's if it's not that far ahead,
25:11
and how can it be so much more dangerous? I haven't seen
25:14
anything frightening from what's free.
25:17
Unknown: And that's a completely different trajectory for
25:20
bringing technology into the world that
25:23
we're in. Sure.
25:24
John C Dvorak: What's his accent? She's got a Canadian.
25:26
Adam Curry: He's Albanian. Now, okay.
25:29
Unknown: Oh, Albania, Albania. And yes, we've
25:31
seen historically. And it's a great opportunity because it
25:34
brings people along it gives them intuitive sense for the
25:39
capabilities and risks, and allows people to prepare for the
25:45
advent of this world, bringing advanced AI into the world.
25:50
Adam Curry: I think I think she's actually reading from chit
25:52
chat GBT.
25:53
Unknown: And obviously the opportunity. So
25:55
John C Dvorak: she's saying nothing. What is she saying is
25:57
opportunity and risk and blah, blah, blah, you're actually
26:01
using words out,
26:02
Adam Curry: you're using Tina's favorite word, word salad.
26:04
Exactly. It's all word salad, which is they probably train the
26:09
model based on her.
26:10
Unknown: And obviously, the opportunities are huge. Now it's
26:14
normal, that which you are, we talk a lot about the risks,
26:18
because they're so important. But also, we wouldn't do this if
26:22
we didn't believe that the opportunities here are huge,
26:25
Adam Curry: blah, blah, blah. There's nothing huge. She said
26:29
that. That's what you do as a as Chief Technology Officer, you
26:33
use blah. Alright, so now,
26:36
John C Dvorak: so she's the CTO. Was CTO is generally speaking
26:42
are people that can code. Yeah. Or at least know something other
26:46
than word salads. Yeah.
26:48
Adam Curry: No cheese that
26:49
John C Dvorak: does something fishy
26:50
Adam Curry: about this one? No, the whole, the whole operation
26:53
is fishy. The whole all you have to sign this, this NDA forever.
27:00
And you can never ever talk about how lame it is. That's all
27:05
it is. Oh, we'll give you all this money. Just don't tell
27:07
anybody the truth. It doesn't work. I mean, it works for
27:11
coding. Every whenever I say doesn't work I give you. I use
27:16
GitHub co pilot it rocks. Okay. Sure.
27:21
John C Dvorak: I'm sure Adam crappies adam@curry.com. That's
27:24
the address. Yeah,
27:25
Adam Curry: I mean, it does. I'm sure it works great for him.
27:29
They
27:29
John C Dvorak: basically, actually, you're talking to the
27:31
real coders, and we've gotten notes and you know it now, you
27:33
know, we both know it. It doesn't work, right. It just
27:36
works. It works. It works. Yeah. It's useful. Yeah. You don't
27:40
need to fill in the gaps to put your crap code out for you to
27:44
actually run the program. Now,
27:46
Adam Curry: here's what's interesting, Martin. He's from
27:48
Denmark, and he's in the podcasting 2.0 group. And he he
27:52
used to be a full time coder at his day job. And now he's
27:55
management, probably middle manager, but he's management.
27:58
And he says, It's really amazing. Because when I get
28:01
RFPs, which is usually a PDF, I just run it into Chad GPT. And
28:07
it fills in the RFP, and then he can adjust things later. And he
28:11
says, It's really weird, because he's pretty sure the RFPs are
28:15
also generated by a chat GPT type AI. So we really have
28:22
Unknown: to use a computer. Yes.
28:25
Adam Curry: Yes. Which I think really, ultimately, the savings,
28:28
we're going to find out the savings is you can get rid of
28:31
all middle management. Just don't need any of that. That may
28:35
be where the savings is. And that may be why people are
28:37
afraid. Because if there's anything, certainly in corporate
28:41
life, but also academia, middle management is fat. We can clean
28:47
up a lot of that.
28:50
John C Dvorak: I just thought oh, that's it. That's actually
28:52
that is worth the price of the show.
28:55
Adam Curry: All right. Good night, everybody.
28:57
Unknown: Thanks for coming along.
28:58
Adam Curry: See you later. Back to Russia Ukraine. So I did read
29:04
a transcript and I actually tried to pull a clip of Putin
29:07
explaining his peace deal which is pretty much hey let's let's
29:11
stop fighting and we'll keep we'll keep the port and we'll
29:15
keep keep Odessa you know with the Odessa people they want it
29:19
to be with us we did a vote. But we want this Don Bosco show
29:23
Crimea that Crimea. I'm sorry. We want we want the Donbass
29:27
region is an essence what'd he say? And why? Well, we have a
29:31
boots on the ground boots on the ground comes to us from sparkles
29:35
of chaos, who says I did some research and sent a couple of I
29:41
don't know if it's a he or she sent some pages that I have read
29:44
on Ukraine mining geology in the war zones. I used to work as a
29:49
geoscientist. So I put on my Pebble pin Pat and and took a
29:54
look. Do we have the best producers in the world or what?
29:58
This is this is part of why they no agenda shows is the best
30:01
podcast in the universe. In the industry for projects the first
30:05
place I would look for any international domestic related
30:08
papers on job geology would be the SPE Society of Petroleum
30:11
Engineers, USGS or state Geological Survey international
30:15
use the SP great resource to find papers and information. And
30:19
below is an executive summary from the last document I found
30:22
from the 2023 report made for investment opportunities in
30:26
exploration and production made by the Ukraine Geological
30:29
Society, what are the chances is the executive summary to begin
30:34
the document list out the critical raw materials such as
30:37
lithium titanium, zirconium, nickel, cobalt, Chrome, Mo molar
30:42
molybdenum denim, what is molybdenum? molybdenum? What is
30:46
moleben? molybdenum is a it's like an amygdala.
30:49
John C Dvorak: I can't say it again. molybdenum,
30:52
Adam Curry: molybdenum. molybdenum. Yes. No, you don't
30:57
know what it is. It's one
30:58
John C Dvorak: of the rare earths that people use for
31:00
different alloys. It's an alloy product as far as I know,
31:05
Adam Curry: beryllium. Got that nailed it 10, top, tantalum,
31:12
tantalum, yeah, tantalum niobium, niobium, niobium, gold,
31:18
lead, zinc, graphite, and hydrocarbons. And so the
31:23
document is broken into areas fields and license blocks with
31:27
regard to each mineral found in that area with diagrams and
31:30
short descriptions. There's also some offshore so we see in the
31:35
southern Warzone areas who you can find rare earth minerals
31:39
gold, lead and zinc, which are ores and poly metallic deposits
31:44
in about seven fields. There's also offshore black, she's black
31:49
sea shelf hydrocarbon deposits, three license areas that contain
31:53
lithium, tantalum, niobium, rubidium, mica, rubidium,
31:59
cesium, tin and beryllium. Each of these areas have block named
32:03
etc. This is what it's about. Now we understand whether Putin
32:11
actually believes that this is a Russian region or not. This is
32:16
the fight. This is it that they already divvied up the the
32:20
breadbasket to all the multinationals, those are all
32:23
licensed out the wheat. And now it's about the rare earth
32:28
minerals and and there seems to be some gas and some other
32:31
hydrocarbon goodies in there as well. No wonder we're fighting.
32:36
No wonder.
32:41
John C Dvorak: Yes, I think this is the untold part of the story.
32:46
And we don't, it's all democracy. Well, it's for
32:51
democracy. We're saving Europe, we're saving Europe. We're
32:55
saving Europe. Russia is getting a hold of the tantalum boats and
32:58
whatever else they need, which are going to end the Russians
33:01
are unlike the Chinese. I always like to point this story out,
33:04
which is that when the Chinese stole the silkworms, this is,
33:08
you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago when the Japan had
33:12
a monopoly on silk in the world. And because they had
33:17
domesticated silkworms, and they were making silk and the Chinese
33:21
wanted to make silk. So they somehow confiscated through
33:25
industrial espionage. They stole some silk worms and started
33:30
breeding them and they started making silk and to the point
33:32
where they're making so much silk that they overwhelmed the
33:35
Japanese market and they became the monopoly. But unlike the
33:39
Japanese, and I've seen this before, and I tried to I don't
33:42
know how I can express it because because it's so
33:45
inculcated into Chinese culture of best price. They never turn
33:50
into gougers. Somebody has to show me an example of where they
33:53
do that. They bring it out at a super low price, and they get a
33:57
monopoly and they never raised the price. They don't get
34:00
Adam Curry: it. They're doing something wrong.
34:03
John C Dvorak: That's not the way the Russians are. Well,
34:06
Adam Curry: whatever the case is, you would say? We're
34:09
definitely we're definitely bringing democracy and peace to
34:14
Europe, specifically to Germany,
34:17
Unknown: NATO Defence Ministers have agreed that the alliance
34:20
will take more of a role in coordinating military aid to
34:24
Ukraine, the decision? When
34:26
Adam Curry: did you know we've noticed this a couple of times?
34:28
When did it become Ukraine?
34:31
John C Dvorak: Policy was Ukraine. Actually, you've
34:33
noticed that more and make it
34:36
Adam Curry: used to be Ukraine? Yeah. And then it knows Ukraine,
34:39
Ukraine, me Ukraine, our crane, whose crane is it
34:42
Unknown: the aid to Ukraine. The decision follows a meeting of
34:45
the Transatlantic Alliance at NATO headquarters in Brussels.
34:49
pledges for bilateral assistance will continue to be organized
34:53
through a US led group of some 50 countries. NATO will now take
34:57
over some of the logistics for delay. During that support and
35:01
training, NATO head Jens Stoltenberg says the mission
35:05
will be headquartered at a US military base in Germany, and
35:09
involve almost 700 staff. These
35:13
efforts do not make NATO a party to the conflict. Our support to
35:21
crane to pole it's right to self defense.
35:25
Adam Curry: Oh, we're not really doing anything. We're just doing
35:28
it. In Germany. Oh, man, How stupid are these people?
35:32
Germans, Germans, you've got to stop this. This is nuts. You do
35:37
not want that. You don't want to know being it's do study some
35:44
history again for trouble study some history. People
35:48
John C Dvorak: don't do that anymore. It's gone. We were
35:51
talking about gender history. So this yes,
35:54
Adam Curry: it's Yes. His Gender Studies is how it's now. The
35:58
we're talking about the 50 billion disagree. This was also
36:02
a topic of discussion that $50 billion that that we're going to
36:09
give to Ukraine, which somehow comes from the 300 billion
36:13
locked up in the Federal Reserve's SWIFT system and Euro
36:17
clear that is Russian money, you know, the theft we've been
36:20
talking about? And you kind of want to know how that worked. If
36:24
the money was locked up, and how the how can you still get
36:28
interest on it? If it's
36:29
John C Dvorak: frozen assets, which is the term they keep
36:31
using images frozen? How is it? How is it making money?
36:36
Adam Curry: I have? I have an answer. Good from Jim Rickards.
36:40
And he would kind of know, this
36:42
Unknown: is what's called a structured product, the way that
36:45
where they're stealing the assets is a structured product.
36:48
If you go back to 2008, you said, Hey, you got all these
36:51
garbage mortgage mortgages out there? How could you turn them
36:53
into AAA securities? And well, she said, Hold my beer, I'll
36:57
show you how to do it. And they did. And course it all
36:59
collapsed. The rating agencies were here's how it works. So
37:02
let's just take the Russian assets above my first question
37:05
$50 billion dollar loan to Ukraine, who is the lender? The
37:08
lender is the United States of America, which basically you me,
37:11
and all the all the posse and all the viewers and the American
37:14
taxpayers are lending the money. So the United States government
37:17
is the lender of $50 billion to Ukraine, what now you take the
37:21
Russian assets $300 billion dollars, the interest should be
37:25
about four and a half percent. And I say that because they've
37:28
been frozen for over over two years. So when a two year
37:31
security matures, the church should just send you the money.
37:34
That's and, and the Treasury is basically stealing that. So they
37:38
reinvest it, they go buy another security. So the interest on
37:41
that portfolio should be about four and a half percent that's
37:43
estimated, but I'm sure it's pretty close. So the 300 billion
37:47
is going to throw off 13 point 5 billion a year in interest at
37:52
four and a half percent. And let's just assume five years, I
37:55
think it doesn't matter. That's a reasonable estimate. That's
37:57
$67.5 billion of interest over five years. Now let's look at
38:04
the Russian assets as look at the loan $50 billion loan us as
38:08
the lender, so I'm assuming the same four and a half percent,
38:10
that's the rate on five year, approximately five year US
38:15
Treasury notice that that the interest on that is two and a
38:18
quarter billion per year, times five years is 11 and a quarter
38:22
billion, and you have to pay back the 50 billion of
38:25
principal, so you're gonna need 61 and a quarter billion dollars
38:29
at the end of five years to pay back the principal and the
38:31
interest on the loan. So okay, we're gonna steal 67 billion
38:35
approximately, from the Russian interest. And that's enough to
38:39
pay for the 61.2 5 billion on the loan. So basically, the loan
38:45
is going to be made, it's going to accrue interest, it's gonna
38:48
get repaid, it's gonna get repaid from the Russian assets.
38:52
But the Russian assets happen to be six times larger than the
38:55
loan, at least for now. And it will produce enough interest to
38:58
pay off this loan. So the g7 they're gonna say, well, we're
39:01
not stealing the Russian assets. We're just taking the interest.
39:05
And then the loans separate. This is why I say it's a
39:08
structured product one separate and we'll use the interest to
39:10
pay off the loan less by the Ukraine was the word no worries,
39:14
we'll just hit hit a brush corroboration which is
39:16
delusional, but that's the way they think. So
39:21
Adam Curry: we're kind of stealing it from us. You know,
39:24
what
39:24
John C Dvorak: was the audience with that one?
39:25
Adam Curry: No, I don't think so. I think a lot of people got
39:27
that. The whole the whole thing is crooked.
39:32
Unknown: It's why it's gambling.
39:35
Adam Curry: But it's our money. I mean, I mean, they're in
39:39
essence they're printing it
39:41
John C Dvorak: right? Now actually selling the books. It's
39:44
real money up well, yeah,
39:46
Adam Curry: they make it up right.
39:48
John C Dvorak: Russians money and then we're kind of stealing
39:50
the money that loaning it to Ukraine. Getting money back.
39:53
We're probably probably making out in the deal. Probably what
39:57
am I what am I thinking we're making out on?
39:59
Adam Curry: I don't know if it's You and I, John someone's making
40:01
out on the deal we're not making anything
40:03
John C Dvorak: on the deal that's for sure. And the guys
40:06
who are losing their assets or their you or the other Ukrainian
40:10
soldiers and women and men are all getting killed chopped up
40:13
now to buy the machine so it was somebody he gets a beryllium
40:21
Adam Curry: is that the most important one? I kind of liked
40:23
the molybdenum molybdenum. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's the
40:29
one I like the molybdenum is the one I'm going for it Ba ba ba ba
40:34
scat. Is there any news? Because I did get a a thing from Turkish
40:42
Radio Television. Is there any news about the expiration of our
40:45
deal with Saudi Arabia? Is that being discussed anywhere?
40:49
John C Dvorak: None zip it just was mentioned. We haven't said
40:52
anything about I think it's I don't believe that the deals is
40:55
fully in play. Well, I think it's a bluff or some sort Well,
40:59
listen to
41:00
Unknown: this is the reign of the US dollar and global trade
41:02
under an existential threat. This may well be the case
41:05
because a critical decade's long deal between Saudi Arabia and
41:08
the US known as the petro dollar deal expired on June 8. The deal
41:17
was originally signed on June 8 1974. It's through it the US
41:21
agreed to buy oil from Saudi Arabia and exchange for military
41:24
aid and equipment while the Saudis would invest their petro
41:27
dollar revenue back into the US economy. In other words, Petro
41:31
dollars or US dollars in exchange for crude oil exports.
41:35
The expiry of a deal now allow Saudi Arabia to send us oil in
41:38
multiple different currencies, such as the Chinese renminbi,
41:42
and Yuan, the euro and the British pound as well as crypto
41:46
currencies like Bitcoin. vital to the US as global economic
41:53
influence, the expiry of a collapse of the deal is expected
41:57
to impact the US dollar value and its dominance in global
42:00
trade. As experts now also particular Saudi Arabia is
42:04
intending to end this association with USD following
42:07
his entry into bricks, which seeks to prioritize trade in
42:10
local currencies, with Russia and Saudi Arabia now vying to
42:14
move away from trading and USD will the global dominance of the
42:17
dollar, which is still the most dominant currency in the world
42:20
be coming to an end.
42:23
Adam Curry: So I kind of understand what they're saying
42:25
the deal, I guess it was a 50 year deal. It just ended. And
42:30
they have to do it. And they haven't really they could redo
42:32
it. But do you see and they're there with the Pope. And
42:36
probably here's
42:36
John C Dvorak: the problem was mentioned very early in that
42:38
report. The problem for Saudi Arabia is the whole thing was
42:43
contingent on them buying our armaments, and they're loaded to
42:46
the gills with our gear. Yeah. And they can't all of a sudden,
42:51
just stiff us and expect that gear to get repaired ever again,
42:55
or to have us protect them. Yeah, or have us protect him. So
42:59
that's not going I said, No, this is an overly drip
43:02
dramatized problem that may go away. In due course, she wants
43:07
so it's like it gets out of us so positive.
43:11
Adam Curry: Not only is the deal going to be re upped but Biden's
43:14
not going to win. You're very positive. You're the guy. I'm
43:17
John C Dvorak: not that positive about Biden not winning. No, I
43:19
have a series of clips. Yes.
43:21
Adam Curry: You know, we've we've Robert Epstein was in play
43:27
during the the 2020 election as well.
43:31
John C Dvorak: Yes, in fact, I have all those clips. But I
43:34
should mention that Robert Epstein kind of dropped off the
43:36
radar. His wife
43:37
Adam Curry: got killed in a horrible accident. His
43:40
John C Dvorak: wife got killed. Yeah. Even though he thought he
43:44
was, you know, targeted, and the wife got killed a miserable car
43:49
wreck of some sort. Same thing happened to Joe Biden's first
43:54
wife. So you don't know what's going on there. But that was
43:59
Adam Curry: Robert, keep your eye on Jill. And that's what you
44:01
want to do. So
44:04
John C Dvorak: I have a lot of different not that long. A
44:06
couple of one of them is. But this Robert Epstein. Robert
44:09
Epstein is what it's actually he's pretty well introduced
44:13
here. He's the guy who who've, who uses a technique to spy on
44:19
Google, of having edits explained in these clips to have
44:25
a whole bunch of people and not net. They're not anonymous.
44:28
They're real people that Google has been tracking. And he also
44:32
says that everyone who's been on Google For 20 years will have 3
44:34
million pages of data on them in a database someplace. Every
44:39
every person. Yeah, everyone. If you've been on Google for 20
44:42
years, you'll have 3 million pages of documentation. Done a
44:47
four size or legal letter is probably a four. Because Google
44:52
you know, they're they're cosmopolitan as they are Cosmo.
44:56
Let's start with Robert Epstein. One
44:58
Unknown: that would be Dr. Rob Bert Epstein, who is the head of
45:01
the American Institute for Behavioral Research and
45:05
Technology, where
45:06
Adam Curry: who's who did this interview?
45:08
John C Dvorak: This came from? Epstein. Yes.
45:11
Adam Curry: Right. You don't want to say Epstein you want to
45:13
say Epstein Epstein?
45:14
John C Dvorak: Yes. This came from the Michael Knowles podcast
45:19
called Pure talk, podcast, a podcast on YouTube, I did send
45:25
you a link to it. So it could be in the show notes.
45:27
Adam Curry: It is in the show notes.
45:28
Unknown: Also the former editor in chief of Psychology Today,
45:32
and holds a PhD from Harvard. But despite that, actually has
45:36
had a great career and has aroused the hire of many, many
45:40
powerful people, including the biggest corporation ever.
45:44
Google. Dr. Epstein, thank you for being here. I want to get to
45:48
so much I actually want to get to some of your other areas of
45:50
research, because you are not just a guy who gives testimony
45:56
and goes on interviews and talks about big tech. You are a very
46:01
serious person with a very lengthy career, and all sorts of
46:06
credentials and publications. I do want to begin though you do
46:09
with this Google elections question How bad is it's
46:14
much worse than you think. So however bad you think it is,
46:19
it's much worse. So I can just give you two numbers. And maybe
46:23
that will summarize it for you. Google alone in this year's
46:27
presidential election. If we don't do some extraordinary
46:30
things to stop them, which might be impossible. Google alone will
46:34
be able to shift between six point 4,000,025 point 5 million
46:42
votes in the presidential election. Generally speaking,
46:46
with no one having the slightest idea that they've been
46:50
manipulated. And generally speaking, without leaving a
46:55
paper trail for authorities to trace, I think
46:58
Adam Curry: he had similar numbers. The you know, in the
47:00
2020 election, I think he had similar type numbers of what
47:04
Google could shift.
47:06
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he might have He says his worse now than
47:08
it was before.
47:12
Adam Curry: So well, why is the question
47:15
John C Dvorak: there? Democrats, you saw Sergey Brin in tears
47:18
when Trump? No, I know
47:20
Adam Curry: that. But what what is the mechanism? What are they
47:23
doing? Oh, yeah, he tries to, he
47:25
John C Dvorak: tries to bring some of it out. The mechanism
47:30
is? Well, I mean, I wrote a column with my last substack
47:34
column shows you some evidence of the mechanism is like, if you
47:37
do a search on Donald Trump donations, you'll, you won't get
47:43
the Donald Trump donation site. But if you put Joe Biden
47:45
donations that comes right at the top, okay, that's one that's
47:48
manipulation of the way the information is presented some
47:52
subtle manipulation. But as you're here, more and more of
47:55
what he has to say, you can see, yes, it adds up. It's like real
47:59
money at the end of the day, you're is that
48:01
Unknown: because of the number of Democrats and Republicans
48:04
using it? Or is that because of who's getting the notifications?
48:07
Now?
48:07
We're talking about proportions here. I'm saying that
48:10
proportionally speaking, I'm saying that Democrats are
48:14
getting those reminders at two and a half times the rate that
48:18
results?
48:21
Adam Curry: Yes, clip two. Okay. Robert Epstein to right.
48:25
Unknown: Now that's happening. That's a very short one.
48:29
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was the discus. Um, it's
48:31
interesting, though, that well, that was an exponent explanatory
48:35
except for the fact that the Google sends out a reminder to
48:40
register to vote at a rate two and a half times greater to
48:44
Democrats than they do to Republicans. And they determine
48:49
who if you're Republican or Democrat, by your searches. And
48:52
by your by your email, or what you use when you use Google,
48:55
everyone uses Google email, I think 80% of our audience does.
48:59
And so if you're like, 80% of the audience, you're getting the
49:02
no agenda newsletter, for example, you're probably not a
49:04
Democrat. And so you get categorized such, probably,
49:09
Adam Curry: from time to time, don't receive the no agenda
49:11
newsletter for above worries, yes,
49:13
John C Dvorak: yes, that happens. A lot has happened. And
49:16
particularly when I was critical of Google and one of the
49:18
newsletters that was getting go to three, it,
49:21
Unknown: it almost makes me want to throw my hands in the air and
49:24
say, this corporation is so powerful, they control
49:27
everything. I'm not a major research psychologist, so I
49:33
don't look into that. But the moment you start to look into
49:35
these things, you say, Oh, well, look, the situation is even
49:38
worse than you thought it was. Just
49:40
to drive this point home. If Google is doing something like
49:43
that, which they are because we're measuring it right. And
49:46
then at some point, they're going to send out partisan
49:49
mailing your ballot reminders and at some point, they're going
49:52
to send out partisan go vote reminders, and they're also
49:57
stacking the deck in their search results. So the search
50:01
results are highly biased, I can actually send your audience to a
50:05
web page. And actually, you can actually see what the bias is
50:08
right now. And on Google search results, how does one calculate
50:12
how does one we will we right now are collecting data with
50:17
their permission, through the computers of more than 14,000
50:21
registered voters in all 50 states politically balanced? And
50:25
all that information coming into the computers of real people we
50:29
are aggregating in real time and analyzing in real time regarding
50:33
bias while we're looking at the web pages that Google is sending
50:37
people to. And we're using three different organizations, ratings
50:42
of political bias, taking the mean, and then calculating a
50:47
mean for each search position in Google search results. So I hope
50:51
I'm not being too detailed here. But no, no, the point is, we can
50:55
measure very precisely whether there is bias in Google search
51:00
results. And there's extraordinary bias in Google
51:04
search results sufficient to shift millions of votes in this
51:08
year's election.
51:10
Adam Curry: I remember how he does this, because he said, It's
51:13
all ephemeral. So He equips like hundreds of people, I think,
51:17
with a tracking device, 14,000 focac, 14,000. And that's how
51:22
he's able to track the the bias that Google puts in, that he saw
51:27
he throws out that number 4 million to 20 million. Do you
51:31
really, I mean, does he have any data to back up that that will
51:34
serve? He
51:35
John C Dvorak: does a statistical analysis of what
51:37
he's seeing with the 14,000 people? 7000 Republicans, 7000
51:41
Democrats, and he extrapolates and he does it in a way that is
51:45
that is statistically sound. Okay. So that's where he's doing
51:49
that. And he has other details in terms of how many people you
51:52
because you just extrapolate if you have, you know, he's only
51:55
looking at 14,000 computers, but like he says in, I think the
51:59
next clip, 500 million people are hitting Google daily, you
52:04
Adam Curry: know, but not only in the United States, really,
52:06
John C Dvorak: in the United States. All looked at number
52:10
three, you're gonna say, Who's that worldwide? board after
52:13
dinner table?
52:14
Adam Curry: They're all looking for AOC porn videos. But yeah,
52:17
I'm sure I'm sure.
52:20
Unknown: Democrat, what we have learned to do is to monitor them
52:24
the way they monitor us. We're surveilling them. We're
52:27
collecting data that they are sending to real people. And by
52:31
the way, that's the only way to see what they're really doing.
52:34
You have to look over the shoulders of real people.
52:38
Because all the content is personalized. You can't use an
52:41
anonymized computer as the economist did. And a study, as
52:45
some folks at Stanford University did in this study.
52:47
You can't use an anonymized computer. Because Google sees
52:51
that as a bot. They see it as a non person, they know it's not a
52:55
real person, because they don't have that huge pile of
52:58
information. There's no real person would be anonymous, all
53:01
content is personalized, right. So if they're sending content to
53:04
a non person, guess what? It's unbiased, right? So people have
53:08
conducted silly studies saying Google is not biased against
53:13
conservatives or anyone else. Because look, we did this study
53:16
with an anonymized computer. And we're getting back clean, clean,
53:20
clean data. Yes, that's right. That's true. Back, I can
53:24
demonstrate it for you. That's actually true. But who cares?
53:27
That's not what the data we're getting. The data we're getting
53:30
is personalized. So we are looking over the shoulders of a
53:34
very large number of registered voters. And they're real people
53:37
and Google, Google cannot identify them. And that's how
53:41
you see what they're sending. Okay.
53:45
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says Google can't identify me means
53:47
Google can identify them as stooges.
53:50
Unknown: I understand. All right. Okay, let's go to clip
53:52
five,
53:53
John C Dvorak: I think we have been monitored. This is why
53:55
their way this is a good clip, go as opposed to those first for
53:59
those of those who are good, too. But this is like really
54:02
good. This is the money shot people. We have been
54:04
Unknown: monitoring, building bigger and bigger monitoring
54:06
systems since 2016. And 2020, we had a pretty big system in place
54:11
for the first time. So we actually captured 1.5 million
54:16
ephemeral experiences. That's what Google calls them. On
54:21
Google and other platforms, we were very, very rapidly
54:25
analyzing our data. We were seeing very extreme political
54:30
bias on Google, but not on Bing or Yahoo. And that's important
54:34
for comparison purposes. And this time around, I thought,
54:38
we're not going to wait till after the election, so I didn't
54:40
want to I was reluctant to ever to reveal this what we what we
54:44
knew before the election, because I was afraid Donald
54:46
Trump might not think that much of I mean, I'm amazed by him.
54:51
Yes, but I don't think much of him, but I was afraid he would
54:53
take our data run to the Supreme Court and shut down the country.
54:57
But we had found such incriminate Eating data in 2020.
55:02
That few days before the election, I contacted a reporter
55:05
I knew at the New York Post, I said here, I'm going to send you
55:08
a bunch of stuff. Look at it. I said, You just had a front cover
55:12
story on the Hunter Biden laptop, I said, this will be
55:15
your next front cover story. This is about large scale
55:20
rigging of the current election. She was tremendously dubious.
55:25
And then she looked at all the stuff I sent her and she got the
55:28
assignment, she wrote up the piece, she called me up. This is
55:32
Friday, before the Tuesday election, she read me parts of
55:35
the piece, this was gonna be the front cover. It was fabulous.
55:38
Because it was about rigging, but with real data, right,
55:41
showing real data.
55:42
Adam Curry: Alright, hold on a sec. So what Google is doing
55:48
here may spur on people to register to vote or to send in
55:52
their vote. It seems to me like it's not going to sway anyone
55:57
from one side to the to the other. I don't know about the
56:00
independence and how important that is. thing people may have
56:04
kind of made up their mind. So what he's saying here is stupid
56:08
journalists. They're influenced by it. And the media portion is
56:13
influenced by it. But do you think at this point that that
56:15
makes any difference for how people are going to vote? Will
56:19
it sway anyone one way or the other is is just purely about
56:23
the the turnout.
56:26
John C Dvorak: It has a lot to do with the turnout, but it but
56:29
like he says if your rigging the results, in other words, if you
56:32
if you are on the fence and you're looking for something
56:36
that is like, anti Biden material, and they won't give it
56:40
to you, alright, that's going to sway Okay, so many people see
56:44
the Biden roaming around clip, you know? Yeah. Well, let's
56:51
continue this, and then you can discuss at the end, but this is
56:55
the kicker to what he just said is the next clip,
56:58
Unknown: then her editor as a matter of course, this is not
57:02
nothing unusual, called Google for comment. She called me up
57:06
later that day, and she said, I am so mad. She didn't use that
57:10
word. She used another word, little saucy. And she said,
57:14
Well, New York journalists. So she said, your piece just got
57:19
killed. I said what I said, You're the New York Post, you
57:23
broke the hunter. She said, Yeah. But we get a lot of
57:28
traffic from Google, which I look up at that time, they were
57:31
getting about 45% of their traffic from Google. Now, if you
57:35
try to look that up, you can't even look that up anymore.
57:38
Google has made that information disappear. But the New York Post
57:44
it's true at that time was getting a lot of their traffic
57:46
from Google so they could not afford to run the story.
57:50
Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, that's a good point. So the New York Post
57:53
is a compromised piece of crap.
57:55
John C Dvorak: Everybody is not us, baby. No, it's because we
57:59
were starving to death. Here you go. So
58:05
Adam Curry: I can't believe it. It's so hard and we're starving,
58:08
John C Dvorak: is here the final kick and provided a way that the
58:13
thing was being as shown in the column I just did or did last
58:18
week for substack. Bing is way off to off track. Now they, if
58:23
you look at their Biden versus Trump searches, they put is a
58:28
promotion for Biden being even though maybe in 2010 2020, there
58:32
wasn't so much of this word being he says Yahoo. Yeah, but
58:36
now there's tons it is just Pro, the Bing site is so pro Biden is
58:42
ridiculous. So again,
58:43
Adam Curry: it may sway some Well, yes. I think all of
58:49
America at this point, see something's wrong with Joe
58:51
Biden, but I can see where independents are people who are
58:54
on the fence. How big is that group? Really.
58:58
John C Dvorak: It's about a third of the voters. Really,
59:01
Adam Curry: a third of voters is actually
59:03
John C Dvorak: 3535. And the nemorosa were independents.
59:06
Okay. All right. So here we go into final kicker of the kicker,
59:10
and
59:11
Adam Curry: the kicker of the kicker is football.
59:13
Unknown: So I sent it off to Ted Cruz. And on November 5, two
59:18
days after the election, Ted Cruz with two other senators
59:22
sent a very threatening letter to the CEO of Google. So there's
59:26
this right after the election saying, and and it goes on and
59:30
on about what Epstein has found. And how do you account for this?
59:35
You testified before Congress saying you don't interfere with
59:38
elections? And guess what happened on November 5 of 2020.
59:43
Wade crews got a car accident, Google, Google turned off all of
59:48
their manipulations. Now you're saying Wait, this is after the
59:52
election? Who cares? Because Georgia where we had more than
59:55
1000 We call them field agents. Yeah. So we were we were
59:58
collecting content Through the computers of more than 1000
1:00:02
registered voters all over Georgia, Georgia was gearing up
1:00:05
to have two Senate runoff election Leffler
1:00:09
and Purdue. I went I went down for those races. Well, on
1:00:13
November 5, Google shut off their partisan go vote
1:00:17
reminders. No one from that day forward until that election, no
1:00:21
one in Georgia. Gotta go vote reminder, nobody. They turned
1:00:26
off the bias in the search results, which I thought would
1:00:32
be impossible. How could you you just can't turn off bias. I have
1:00:37
since learned through documents from the company that were that
1:00:40
were taken out of the company. I've learned from a
1:00:42
whistleblower that in fact, they can turn bias on and off, like
1:00:47
flipping a light switch. That is a quote from Zack Vorhees.
1:00:53
Adam Curry: Who's Zack for he's
1:00:56
John C Dvorak: as the Google whistleblower? Oh, of course,
1:00:58
you haven't heard of him know. Me Google and get you on your
1:01:04
level get any more traffic from Google?
1:01:06
Adam Curry: Let me Google him. doesn't show up. I use
1:01:11
cognitions. And
1:01:12
John C Dvorak: show you Yeah, no, this is a corrupt situation.
1:01:16
completely out of control pond, and nobody cares. This is like,
1:01:21
Oh, whatever. You know, okay. Well, Biden, if he gets in
1:01:23
again, so what is he won't last that long and Kamla would be the
1:01:27
president. That's what everybody wants? Well be a break. Well,
1:01:32
Adam Curry: we're gonna go down with the I don't care who it is,
1:01:35
as long as it's first of all, let's just stop pretending that
1:01:39
it matters. Donald Trump is not going to save everybody, right?
1:01:43
daddio is not going to fix all your problems in your town, or
1:01:47
your city. That's got to come from the people. You know,
1:01:51
people got to get into the into the ring. I'm not going to
1:01:54
works. tripping out memes. I thought CNN did an interesting
1:01:59
job of solidifying the Donald Trump is going to destroy our
1:02:05
democracy.
1:02:07
John C Dvorak: Which now? I think Do you think they'd get
1:02:11
off that for no track? No doing it? Oh,
1:02:14
Adam Curry: it's a double down now to double down because there
1:02:18
is an even when you hear this piece from CNN, and this is this
1:02:21
British dude who, for somehow he covers Trump, for CNN, because I
1:02:28
know maybe he's not seen as offensive to Trump voters. And
1:02:35
he so he goes into a Trump rally. And of course, it's a man
1:02:38
on the street. So the Hello, easy to pick out the two weak
1:02:42
sisters of the bunch. But then it's it's intercut with an
1:02:48
interview with our favorite Anne Applebaum. So listen to
1:02:52
Unknown: this. One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies
1:02:55
like this over the past few months is that America isn't
1:02:59
really a democracy.
1:03:00
America's not a democracy. That's
1:03:04
against not a democracy. Okay, democracy is actually not as
1:03:08
good as you think
1:03:09
it is. But for centuries, America has celebrated its
1:03:13
democracy. Democracy is worth dying for democracy remains the
1:03:17
definition of political legitimacy. But some Republicans
1:03:21
and pro Trump media are pushing the idea that America is not a
1:03:25
democracy.
1:03:26
United States of America is not a democracy. We are a
1:03:28
constitutional republic, United States of America is not a
1:03:31
democracy. If you don't want to be in a democracy. We are not a
1:03:34
democracy. We are a republic. Is America a democracy? America
1:03:39
is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy. I've heard a
1:03:42
lot of conspiracy theories. I hear a lot of things, conspiracy
1:03:45
theories out on the road. But theory, oh, wait to hear
1:03:49
Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots,
1:03:54
who say that America is not a democracy. That stopped me in my
1:03:58
tracks.
1:03:59
You are hearing people say America is not a democracy,
1:04:03
because there are people around Trump who want them to be saying
1:04:06
that who've been planting that narrative. Is
1:04:09
America democracy.
1:04:11
I don't I think well not wearing
1:04:14
our republic.
1:04:15
What's the difference?
1:04:17
I feel like democracy. Through government. I don't see freedom
1:04:27
and democracy I see freedom. Honestly, the word democracy and
1:04:33
the word Republic have often been used interchangeably. There
1:04:37
isn't a meaningful difference between them. So much
1:04:40
of the warnings and criticism about Trump is that he is a
1:04:44
threat to democracy that he is anti democratic. Absolutely.
1:04:48
If they can convince people that we don't have a democracy, then
1:04:51
it's okay that Trump is attacking democracy because it
1:04:54
doesn't really matter. So
1:04:56
Adam Curry: the strongest part of that piece is of course
1:04:58
having Reagan and Bush Talk about our democracy. How do we
1:05:02
square that with saying we don't have a democracy?
1:05:09
John C Dvorak: Well, that was they were Reagan and Bush. Were
1:05:12
doing the same thing that the Democrats do, which is call
1:05:16
everything a democracy when it's a constitutional republic, which
1:05:19
is what it is. And it's not a conspiracy. That's what it is
1:05:23
what it is conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory, we don't even
1:05:27
do direct voting for the President, even though I think
1:05:29
they would love that. But we don't we have the Electoral
1:05:32
College in between as a buffer as a shim.
1:05:35
Adam Curry: Well, so So this, but this is kind of the
1:05:37
messaging and you know, so yeah, I'm sure Google will surface
1:05:41
this type of stuff. That Constitutional Republic is a
1:05:44
conspiracy theory. Look at Reagan. Great boy. Yeah. Well,
1:05:50
it was well done. And then of course, we also need to attack
1:05:55
flags, flags, as flags are so important. I mean, throughout
1:06:00
history, flags are a big deal. And who better to ask all
1:06:04
cultures? Yes. And who better to ask about flag gates. This is a
1:06:08
Supreme Court, Justice Alito, whose wife flew the upside the
1:06:14
American flag upside down international sign of distress,
1:06:17
and also raised the pine pine tree flag, which is the so
1:06:22
called appeal to heaven flag. And let's ask Mayor Pete,
1:06:26
because there's nothing better than a McKinsey graduate
1:06:29
McKinsey alum to ask about these important questions.
1:06:33
Unknown: There was a secret recording made at a meeting
1:06:36
where many Supreme Court justices and their spouses were
1:06:39
and Martha AnnaLena, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Samuel
1:06:41
Alito, was discussing how she feels about apparently a pride
1:06:46
flag that
1:06:48
says, Listen, I want a Sacred
1:06:51
Heart of Jesus flag, because I have to look across the lagoon
1:06:54
at the pride flag.
1:06:55
Adam Curry: Did you hear that? She says she wants a Sacred
1:06:57
Heart of Jesus flag. So I'll make sure you heard that because
1:07:00
it's I did not hear that. Yeah, that's what she say this is that
1:07:03
horrible undercover recording? From the woman who believes in
1:07:09
the mother of Gaia, from California Gaia woman, the guy
1:07:13
or woman? Yes, worshipping earth like any good pagan would that
1:07:16
was flown off
1:07:18
John C Dvorak: pagan pagans do.
1:07:19
Unknown: I want a Sacred Heart of Jesus flag, because I have to
1:07:23
look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month.
1:07:27
And he's like, Oh, please don't put up a flag. I said, I won't
1:07:30
do it. Because I'm deferring to you. But when you are free of
1:07:33
this nonsense, I'm putting it up. And I'm gonna send them a
1:07:36
message every day.
1:07:37
How does that make you feel knowing that the wife of a
1:07:39
Supreme Court justice, wants to send a message to people with a
1:07:43
pride flag?
1:07:45
Look, I'm often reminded that the most important thing in my
1:07:49
life, which is my marriage, and my family, and the two beautiful
1:07:55
children that my husband Chaston and I are raising that that
1:07:58
marriage only exists by the grace of a single vote on the
1:08:02
United States Supreme Court that expanded our rights and freedoms
1:08:07
back in 2015, and made it possible for Edie
1:08:10
Adam Curry: expanded his rights and freedoms. You see it, he has
1:08:15
expanded his rights and freedoms because he's so suppressed, that
1:08:18
Unknown: expanded our rights and freedoms back in 2015, and made
1:08:22
it possible for somebody like me to get married. And, you know,
1:08:27
Supreme Court justices have an unbelievable amount of power.
1:08:32
And, and by the nature in the structure, the Supreme Court,
1:08:37
there's no supervision over that power. They're entrusted with it
1:08:41
literally for as long as they live. And part of that trust is
1:08:46
we expect them to enter into those enormously consequential
1:08:50
decisions that that shape our everyday lives, with a sense of
1:08:54
fairness, I also hope that most Americans can understand the
1:08:58
difference between a flag that symbolizes you know, love and
1:09:05
acceptance and signals to people who have sometimes feared for
1:09:09
their safety that they're going to be okay. And insurrectionists
1:09:14
symbology
1:09:15
Adam Curry: No, there it is. There it is Trump
1:09:19
John C Dvorak: but they said something in there he says about
1:09:23
you know, I wish I could put remember what is exact phrase
1:09:29
was but it seems to me that for one thing, I think, the same
1:09:35
Democrats who are extolling the virtues of women and giving the
1:09:38
and empowering them to have a Leo's wife who's got nothing
1:09:42
she's not on the Supreme Court. I hate to mention this to you
1:09:45
though she's not on there doing anything. So what she got to do
1:09:47
it decisive with this
1:09:48
Adam Curry: price. Price? Yes.
1:09:51
John C Dvorak: It's just ridiculous. And then what is he
1:09:54
supposed to be told Shut up woman. Get into the kitchen I
1:10:00
mean, what what exactly are they? Are they angling for here?
1:10:03
They can have a mixed message?
1:10:04
Adam Curry: Well, I think the again, it's comes down to the
1:10:07
same thing. The whole point is to associate flags, American
1:10:12
flags. Faith flags to equate that with insurrectionists ie
1:10:20
Trump. That's the whole point. Yes,
1:10:23
John C Dvorak: that was a poorly made point. And I should just
1:10:26
mention something as an aside. So this weekend on catchy TV or
1:10:32
whatever it is one of the over the air channels. They've had a
1:10:37
24/7 marathon of laughing shows from 68. Goldie Hawn, he went on
1:10:44
to believe she was one of the many cast members. And they were
1:10:49
bitching about this. It was a very political show, you don't
1:10:52
realize that most of the issues were this are today's issues.
1:10:55
And this is from ninth this last show. I was watching the dad had
1:10:58
this thing in 1971 show. They were bitching about the Supreme
1:11:02
Court? No, of course, of course, literally. Because at the time
1:11:07
the Supreme Court was somewhat liberal. And this was the era of
1:11:12
bumper stickers that said, you know, impeach Earl Warren, who
1:11:16
was a Reuters Republican governor of California,
1:11:21
Republican governor of California, but he was a very
1:11:24
liberal, Supreme Court justice. And the right wing was going
1:11:28
nuts over zero Warren's impeach Earl Warren. And this was kind
1:11:33
of reflected in the
1:11:35
Adam Curry: print. But in those days, we had three television
1:11:37
channels and no YouTube. And and no, Google.
1:11:41
John C Dvorak: No, but the complaining was the same. Well,
1:11:44
there's always people have been bitching and moaning about the
1:11:47
Supreme Court from the get go, and it's just like, Okay, give
1:11:51
it a rest. And now they're complaining about the Supreme
1:11:53
Court justices wives that was not in play back in the day.
1:11:58
Adam Curry: Well, now we have also not in the play back in the
1:12:02
day was media organization taking down other media
1:12:05
organizations. I don't think that that was considered
1:12:08
ungentlemanly. unsportsmanlike,
1:12:11
John C Dvorak: was the same thing with writers. writers
1:12:14
would never condemn other writers and, yeah, that's true.
1:12:18
It was, it was. It was unwritten, unwritten code. Yes.
1:12:22
Adam Curry: So you've probably heard that the I think the owner
1:12:25
of epic times, or the I think the financial guy, someone's in
1:12:30
trouble.
1:12:31
John C Dvorak: He was a money guy, CFO,
1:12:33
Adam Curry: I think, yeah, the money guy got arrested for I
1:12:36
haven't looked into it. But okay, whatever. But that's not
1:12:41
what this is about. No, no, no, no. I mean, we know the epic
1:12:45
times were in fact, I would say we've used lots of material from
1:12:49
Epic times, because they're reporting at least isn't your
1:12:51
typical political base reporting. Would you say that's
1:12:57
Is that a fair statement, I
1:12:58
John C Dvorak: think is much more objective than the
1:13:00
mainstream media. Object newspapers.
1:13:02
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you're wrong. Here's NBC. NBC is
1:13:06
reporting.
1:13:07
Unknown: The Epoch Times is a conservative news outlet. They
1:13:10
have newspapers, and they have a website. And what you'll see is
1:13:14
very pro, Trump conservative, ultra conservative content. It's
1:13:19
come up in 2016 as a real player in the conservative ecosystem.
1:13:23
Before then it was really known as just a Chinese language
1:13:27
newspaper that was associated with Falun Gong, and Falun Gong,
1:13:31
it's a movement. It's a religious spiritual movement.
1:13:34
That's headed by a man named Master Li Hong Xiu, Master Li,
1:13:40
lives in Dragon Springs, New York. He lives and he is the
1:13:44
head of this religion. So all the people in this religion
1:13:47
Adam Curry: pagine I know oh, by the way, you get the this is the
1:13:50
I know she's a millennial, she may be z. And they get her to do
1:13:54
this piece with her fry and her up talk and then yes, it's
1:13:58
fallen go bed, his bed about and that but following Gong
1:14:02
explained following Gong before we continue with this, there
1:14:04
John C Dvorak: was a bunch of these I actually had a little
1:14:07
exposition about this for some years back and I don't have all
1:14:10
of it at the tip of my tongue, but it was part of a there was a
1:14:15
bunch of these movements, these meditative movement
1:14:18
Adam Curry: isn't yoga or something. It was kind of like a
1:14:20
yoga but she does. She does go into that later and fall
1:14:24
John C Dvorak: on Gong was the one that became the most
1:14:26
successful and it became they the Chinese government felt it
1:14:31
was politicizing itself and becoming a voting bloc or of
1:14:35
block that could cause trouble down the road. So it was banned.
1:14:38
Now there can all of it was foul on Gong, the fact there was a
1:14:41
bunch of these following F al U ns. And it was just one of many.
1:14:47
And it became the last one man standing and it became cutting
1:14:51
as controversial and all kinds of different directions. And
1:14:56
it's very but it's but I'd say it is based at this point in
1:14:59
history. It's anti Chinese. No, no,
1:15:03
Adam Curry: no, they're pro Trump. You've got it all wrong
1:15:06
man is pro Trump. Bring out the Gen Z here.
1:15:09
John C Dvorak: By the way the Falun Gong cares nothing about
1:15:12
Trump you are okay so
1:15:13
Unknown: wrong is that the head of this religion? So all the
1:15:17
people in this religion have their time at one of the media
1:15:21
arms now there's the Epoch Times. That's the newspaper. And
1:15:25
then there is NDTV and that's the television component or
1:15:29
video component.
1:15:30
John C Dvorak: Yes. And T D.
1:15:32
Adam Curry: She said no, no, no, no, no, no, she's NDTV is what
1:15:36
she says. But it's no NTD is not is not a part of epic times
1:15:42
isn't NTD No, she says in NDTV. She says she's wrong.
1:15:48
John C Dvorak: It's not NDTV. She's talking about anti D which
1:15:51
is part of the epoch
1:15:53
Adam Curry: about NDTV. NDTV that's a real thing. NDTV she's
1:16:00
not talking about NTD.
1:16:03
John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, there is something else NDTV I'd like
1:16:06
yeah, no, I'll check it out. Yeah,
1:16:07
Adam Curry: yeah, you can't on that machine. But believe me,
1:16:10
and I can
1:16:11
John C Dvorak: I got a browser here. I just don't don't have
1:16:13
Twitter. We'll go to Google. They'll
1:16:15
Adam Curry: tell you to vote for Biden, that
1:16:16
Unknown: newspaper. And then there is the TV and that's the
1:16:20
television component and the video component. And then
1:16:23
there's Shen Yun, and Shin Eun, if you've seen the ubiquitous
1:16:26
advertisements everywhere, it's a traditional Chinese dance
1:16:30
troupe with a very anti communist China message. The
1:16:35
whole point of all of this anti communist
1:16:38
Adam Curry: dance must go pro Trump.
1:16:40
John C Dvorak: That again she she made she's now there is no
1:16:43
such thing as in dt. NDTV
1:16:47
Adam Curry: is what she said. She said no, I put these clips
1:16:49
together myself. And
1:16:51
John C Dvorak: she said she's wrong. She's not it's N T D?
1:16:54
Adam Curry: No. Go to ndtv.com John, okay,
1:16:59
John C Dvorak: you are wrong. And you're gonna get away like
1:17:02
I'm doing I'm going to actually go on the browser crazy
1:17:05
Adam Curry: thought man crazy. While you're at it, look at that
1:17:07
cool PCR machine from the meet up China
1:17:10
Unknown: message. So the whole point of all of these things,
1:17:12
whether it's Epoch Times, or Shen Yun is to relay this
1:17:16
message that the end of the world is coming. If you are
1:17:18
aligned with communism, you will go to a sort of hell. And if you
1:17:21
are not wanting to communism, if you align yourself with Falun
1:17:24
Gong than you will be spared and you will go to heaven. So it's a
1:17:27
sort of an apocalyptic sort of cult, not unlike a lot of
1:17:30
religions. But what's interesting is that they're
1:17:33
using their money to really back Trump. They're using
1:17:38
Adam Curry: their money to back Trump. You are so wrong. I'm
1:17:42
sorry. He's just wrong on all fronts on this one. So
1:17:45
John C Dvorak: here's the other one. NDTV Yes, sir New Delhi
1:17:49
television out of India. NDTV meaning N T D.
1:17:56
Adam Curry: But isn't NTV the New Tang Dynasty?
1:18:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, New Tang Dynasty is part of following
1:18:02
Gong.
1:18:04
Adam Curry: Well, this is an outrage. She can't
1:18:07
John C Dvorak: even get her story straight, let alone you
1:18:10
getting it straight. And in defending her.
1:18:12
Adam Curry: I'm defending what she said. She said NDTV That's
1:18:15
what I said. Yeah.
1:18:17
John C Dvorak: So Delhi television is not a follow on
1:18:19
cog operation. Okay. Sure. You wait,
1:18:22
Adam Curry: but wait, let's continue because it's still the
1:18:27
all they're doing. They only exist to be pro Trump. This is
1:18:31
the story.
1:18:32
Unknown: And they're aligning themselves with evangelicals.
1:18:34
And just you know, conservatives on the, you
1:18:37
Adam Curry: know, it's interesting pastor Jimmy just
1:18:39
just handed out epic times at church the other day, like,
1:18:41
thanks. Yeah, oh, the evangelicals are all in with
1:18:44
Falun Gong,
1:18:45
Unknown: and they're aligning themselves with Evangelicals,
1:18:47
and just, you know, conservatives on the internet to
1:18:50
really push a pro Trump method that really seems to be working
1:18:54
they have gone from a really it's working or no
1:19:00
Adam Curry: mucking about. It's working just so you know, it's
1:19:03
working. The whole point is to discredit and epic times it's
1:19:09
they're taking down another news organizations Oh,
1:19:13
John C Dvorak: they're just at you know, you're just asking for
1:19:15
trouble. This is ridiculous report. This woman should be
1:19:18
ashamed. Better,
1:19:19
Unknown: we fledgling newspaper where no one was really reading
1:19:21
it, it cost $1 Sometimes it was free on the
1:19:24
Adam Curry: students was crazy. A news organization, it only
1:19:27
costs $1. I mean, how can you pay salaries,
1:19:30
Unknown: and now they are everywhere here. senior editors
1:19:34
were in Trump Tower earlier this year interviewing Laura Trump.
1:19:38
They're interviewing congressman, celebrities kind
1:19:42
Adam Curry: of funny though, because, you know, they're
1:19:43
against communism, you know, like Trump is bloodmeal what is
1:19:48
Biden then?
1:19:49
Unknown: Me is like, you know, diamond and silk. Oh, no,
1:19:53
Adam Curry: diamond and silk. Oh, they're really poor. All
1:19:55
this stuff. So pro Trump, Candace Owens
1:19:57
Unknown: and Ted Cruz. They're really Coming up in the
1:20:00
conservative movement, and it's important to know who's behind
1:20:04
this, you know, something else they've done that's really
1:20:06
interesting lately and why we started looking at them is they
1:20:09
started buying Facebook ads, they've spent $1.5 million on
1:20:14
11,000 Facebook ads this year alone. And all of the ads are
1:20:18
very pro. They also push a conspiratorial message and
1:20:22
following Gong itself is really interesting because it started
1:20:27
in the 1990s. It started in China. And it was headed by
1:20:31
Master Li and Master Li sort of came up with this new practice.
1:20:35
It was a little bit of mysticism, a little bit of
1:20:38
Buddhism, a little bit of yoga. And so what he did is he made
1:20:42
this process as some one expert described to me, he made this
1:20:45
process of meditation, and Transcendentalism really, really
1:20:49
simple. So there are five exercises, you know, people
1:20:52
older people could do them in the park. You see them all
1:20:55
around New York City doing the exercises now, and it was really
1:20:58
easy. But it also came with some pretty out there ideas.
1:21:04
John C Dvorak: Out there ideas she's talking about people doing
1:21:07
in the park is was What is it where you're
1:21:13
Adam Curry: playing Frisbee, playing Frisbee? No, no.
1:21:17
John C Dvorak: No, you know that the the Chinese exercise, which
1:21:19
is a slow motion, kung Tai Chi is a tai chi. Yeah, yeah, that's
1:21:25
what they're doing in the park. You're not sitting around
1:21:27
meditating. I mean, this is, by the way, it's not that much
1:21:31
different that meditation technique. They're using then
1:21:33
Transcendental Meditation, which was a big thing with the
1:21:36
liberals,
1:21:37
Adam Curry: which you can see on NDTV from India.
1:21:42
Unknown: or Yes, yes.
1:21:44
Adam Curry: I got one more clip here. It's just it was it's just
1:21:47
what this is what the whole idea is, is to continuously to
1:21:51
continuously just propagandize people and it's the same message
1:21:56
over and over again. Conspiracy Theory, pro Trump. Ruining
1:22:01
democracy, conspiracy theory, pro Trump ruining democracy with
1:22:06
an ultra
1:22:06
Unknown: conservative worldview behind Falun Gong, so they don't
1:22:11
support gay people.
1:22:13
Adam Curry: They are I don't support gay people. Oh, now
1:22:19
you're in trouble Falun Gong, is that true? Do they are they are
1:22:22
they are they haters? Are they never heard the gays? Well, they
1:22:26
don't support the fact
1:22:27
John C Dvorak: that they have anything to do as Shin Jung, if
1:22:29
you haven't seen I mean, I haven't seen that presentation.
1:22:31
But just looking at the commercials for it is that if
1:22:33
that's not gay, I don't know what
1:22:37
Unknown: people they are anti pop music. They don't they hate
1:22:41
pop music part feminism. They rail against any sort of like
1:22:46
modernism, I mean, part of their their motto is traditionalism.
1:22:50
It's also important to know that in China, they were banned in
1:22:54
the 90s Because China didn't like the fact that they were
1:22:56
becoming so popular.
1:22:57
Adam Curry: Why is that important to know is the
1:22:59
question, it's important to know that China banned, banned and
1:23:03
Unknown: so they imprisoned some of their people of their
1:23:06
followers. And human rights organizations say that they
1:23:09
tortured and killed many so masterly brought his followers
1:23:13
here. He moved here himself, and he lives in New York. And what
1:23:17
he does is he runs a commie in the air with many followers,
1:23:21
they believe things that former practitioners have told us are
1:23:25
unsettling. So one of them is, you know, the aliens are real.
1:23:29
One is that they discourage the taking of medicine, because
1:23:32
masterly has taught that sickness is caused by some sort
1:23:36
of evil inside of you, and then it can fall and gone. Are you
1:23:41
John C Dvorak: seen anything like that in my life? Why is she
1:23:45
going to go into the Christian? What was which is the group that
1:23:49
refuses to take anything whatsoever Amish should decide?
1:23:55
As a Christian, what's the name of that group?
1:23:58
Adam Curry: There's only 30 seconds left. So I don't think
1:24:00
so
1:24:00
Unknown: masterly has taught that sickness is caused by some
1:24:03
sort of evil inside of you, and then it can, Falun Gong can cure
1:24:07
you of that. So, you know, these are all things that we've heard,
1:24:11
but the overarching
1:24:12
Adam Curry: music bed is kind of interesting. What that shows is
1:24:14
kind of a Ping Pong Pong, kind of like a, like an Asian wind
1:24:17
chime. Long, long, long AI. Background music, Chinese ping
1:24:24
pong. On
1:24:25
Unknown: contrary, you have that. So, you know, these are
1:24:27
all things that we've heard. But the overarching narrative is
1:24:30
that, you know, Falun Gong believers believe that we are
1:24:33
headed toward a judgement day where communists and non
1:24:36
communist will be pitted against each other. So all of these
1:24:39
outreach efforts, whether it's Epoch Times, or Shin Eun or NDTV
1:24:43
are all out there to sort of save the souls of sentient
1:24:47
beings they say this is all an effort to not only you know when
1:24:50
your soul not only you know when to vote for Donald Trump, but
1:24:54
also you know, to save the world.
1:24:57
John C Dvorak: Hope young you know They should be ashamed of
1:25:00
themselves for putting their money. She keeps saying NDTV by
1:25:04
the way. Yeah, right to the end. So she's clueless. That is a
1:25:11
shameful report.
1:25:12
Adam Curry: Yeah,
1:25:13
John C Dvorak: I hope you're bigoted. It's a bigoted,
1:25:15
shameful anti. Okay, while she's like doing the bidding of the
1:25:20
Chinese Communist parties, yes.
1:25:24
Adam Curry: Quite possibly. Well, I'll just wrap up my my
1:25:27
media overview with the two more topics. And the first one is, of
1:25:32
course, Alex Jones. We have an update on cars Friday, he was in
1:25:37
court for me to determine what will happen with Infowars. I
1:25:42
actually got a call from sort of Lucifer who works there. And he
1:25:47
was yeah, he says the the mood is not great. There's the ice 55
1:25:52
zero people working there. People who've worked with him
1:25:56
there for 15 years. And 55 people you said 5050 people?
1:26:02
Five D? Yeah. five zeros. A lot of people. Big operation. Yeah.
1:26:06
Yeah. Well, that's I think it's gonna end here. This
1:26:09
Unknown: is an attempt at Digital assassination.
1:26:12
conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was defiant in front of a
1:26:16
federal courthouse today, vowing that the government may shut him
1:26:19
down, but they won't shut him up. This is probably the end of
1:26:24
Infowars a federal judge in Houston ordered Jones to
1:26:27
liquidate his personal assets, worth an estimated four to $6
1:26:31
million to start paying the Sandy Hook families the $1.5
1:26:35
billion in defamation damages he owes them the decision will also
1:26:40
force Jones to auction off his jewelry and gun collection. An
1:26:44
attorney for Jones said $2 million is already sitting in
1:26:47
escrow for the families. After Jones sold the Texas ranch
1:26:51
Marlin court. Another episode of the Alex Jones Show aired on
1:26:55
infowars.com the platform where Jones spread his conspiracy
1:26:59
theories, the judge ruled that the company doesn't have to
1:27:03
liquidate its assets, but that Jones will not control the
1:27:06
money. The whole thing of the giant courts in both Texas and
1:27:11
Connecticut found Jones liable for defamation after he called
1:27:14
the attack fake a hoax and called grieving parents crisis
1:27:18
actors for Robbie Parker, whose daughter Emily was one of the 20
1:27:22
students killed at Sandy Hook in 2012. This case is not about
1:27:26
money. But accountabilities the reason
1:27:28
that accountability is important for me is because that's part of
1:27:30
the healing process.
1:27:32
The hearing comes the same week, the survivors of the Sandy Hook
1:27:35
massacre graduate from high school former classmates wore
1:27:39
green and white pins to honor their memory, a memory Parker
1:27:43
hopes never fades,
1:27:44
Adam Curry: some of the communications between the
1:27:46
families have been just very beautiful. And so it is touching
1:27:49
and it is emotional. Now this is obviously to send a message and
1:27:53
I gotta tell you, from my from my money message received
1:27:59
message received 1.1 $1.4 billion in a libel suit. Wow. So
1:28:08
so it seems like he'll be able to continue somehow. Well,
1:28:12
John C Dvorak: he's already know he's got his. Okay, so he's
1:28:15
going to lose everything. Let's take it what's gonna happen? The
1:28:21
worst case scenario, he loses everything, they auction off all
1:28:25
his stuff, they auction off everything he owns. And he's got
1:28:28
a gun collection, whatever that is, and the rest of the coins,
1:28:31
like gold coins, challenge coins, eggs, some challenge
1:28:35
because it's all gone. Got nothing left. This is the
1:28:39
internet era, he can start up over? No,
1:28:42
Adam Curry: but I think I think that he will have to continue
1:28:45
giving. They can take the money he makes in the future, too.
1:28:50
John C Dvorak: I think that's probably true. But it would be
1:28:52
on a payment schedule. So it'd be like, like buying a car,
1:28:55
you'd have to keep paying month after month. But he is also
1:29:01
bankruptcy issues here that he you should be able to get out of
1:29:03
some of this. And I mean, that's what the news video is does it
1:29:07
go bankrupt or somebody Sue's them within an inch of their
1:29:10
life. And so he's he's got he knows how to do this. He knows
1:29:16
the business, he can start up from scratch and build it up
1:29:20
rather quickly. He knows all the vitamin people that he can get
1:29:23
the product from he just changed the name of the product. And he
1:29:27
could also do stuff through third parties. There's a lot of
1:29:29
ways he can go. He's not an old guy who's just oh, well,
1:29:32
whatever. I'm gonna go retire. No, he's got plenty of have. He
1:29:37
knows what he's doing at this point in terms of making money
1:29:41
for himself and his president. He'll hire probably most of
1:29:43
those people back.
1:29:45
Adam Curry: I am so grateful for you. Why? Because throughout the
1:29:52
past set a well Good question, but there is a reason throughout
1:29:56
the past 17 years. You have always been protected the show
1:30:01
and probably more me by jumping in if I said something
1:30:05
completely libelous, and then you would correct me, so that it
1:30:09
was clear that we were correcting that. Because it just
1:30:13
goes to show you you got to be careful.
1:30:16
John C Dvorak: You do have to be careful. And I will tell you my
1:30:18
background on that is that when I wrote The with Adam Osborn, I
1:30:22
wrote a book called hyper growth. And Adam was freaked out
1:30:26
about getting sued, because he was saying some nasty stuff
1:30:31
about very CEOs. And so we went into a libel lawyer's office and
1:30:36
spent the day and pretty much I learned pretty much everything
1:30:41
you need to know from a practical perspective on how not
1:30:46
to libel or slander people. And I've been complimented in some,
1:30:51
in one case by a publisher who says, you know, you can call
1:30:56
somebody an asshole 10 different ways, but never really say it.
1:31:00
And that's kind of the key. And yes, well, thank you. I am
1:31:06
constantly I know it was drummed into me, but I'm very aware of
1:31:10
this problem. Yes. No, thank you. Easily labeling somebody.
1:31:13
Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah. Because people out there crazy. The
1:31:16
courts are crazy.
1:31:17
John C Dvorak: Crazy. For one thing, you can't call somebody a
1:31:20
crook. Yeah, that's the that's the one of the key that you just
1:31:23
can't say. Any, you know, if they haven't been convicted of a
1:31:27
crime, you can't call them a criminal
1:31:29
Adam Curry: unless you really bless your trump. You've Trump
1:31:32
you can call him your trump.
1:31:34
John C Dvorak: Call him anything. Anything you want.
1:31:35
Yeah. Well, there are differences people left and
1:31:38
right to Well, there are differences.
1:31:39
Adam Curry: Your kids are in the public eye, which is like this
1:31:42
kind of gray area. You can say horrible things about people who
1:31:45
are in the public eye. There's there's a gray area in tort law.
1:31:51
John C Dvorak: But Jones has always been up cross crosses the
1:31:56
line a lot. I listen to him. I mean, I listen to him. We have
1:32:00
Adam Curry: a troll trainee. Janee says I want to call Mimi a
1:32:03
crook. Too many egg too many eggs stole my heart. Ah. Isn't
1:32:09
that cute? All the
1:32:10
John C Dvorak: art in that book is from public domain sources
1:32:12
that are at least 100 years old. Give me a brainless year old
1:32:15
woman.
1:32:18
Adam Curry: The final series of clips I have here is very
1:32:22
unexciting. But the information is detailed. It's from Reuters.
1:32:26
Reuters. There's no reason you have to be boring. And this is
1:32:31
the Pentagon's psychological operation against Chinese with
1:32:39
anti Vax messaging if you follow that.
1:32:43
Unknown: Yep, Reuters has uncovered a secret anti Vax
1:32:47
campaign run by the Pentagon to undermine China during the
1:32:51
pandemic. despite objections from top diplomats, the US
1:32:55
military engaged in clandestine propaganda about COVID vaccines
1:33:00
that public health experts say is indefensible.
1:33:03
An aspect of military that many people don't realize or don't
1:33:06
know about is it the military controls a large network of fake
1:33:11
social media accounts, and other online profiles, which it can
1:33:15
use to influence foreign adversaries. In this case, they
1:33:19
were using a mixture of social media accounts on various
1:33:22
platforms, including Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and several
1:33:27
foreign language, social media platforms, popular in Central
1:33:31
Asia. So the message is typically focused on this idea
1:33:36
that foreign audiences should not trust Chinese pandemic aid.
1:33:41
So it would say that their face masks that they were donating
1:33:43
were fake. They would say that the test kits that they were
1:33:46
providing didn't work, they would say that the vaccines were
1:33:49
ineffective, not real. I think the most surprising message that
1:33:55
we saw was that they were pushing this idea that Chinese
1:34:00
COVID vaccines in particular sin, evac contained a pork
1:34:05
derivative, because where that message was targeted, was in
1:34:09
Central Asia among Muslim majority countries.
1:34:12
Adam Curry: Now the funny thing is, I remember some of those
1:34:14
stories. Yeah, I
1:34:16
John C Dvorak: do, too. And yeah, this was by the way, you
1:34:18
didn't get to see because you're traveling. But this this was
1:34:20
written up in the newsletter.
1:34:23
Adam Curry: Oh, no, I didn't see that. No, you're right. Well, I
1:34:25
have two more pieces to this. What I just found interesting
1:34:30
is, of course, this never mentioned in this report is
1:34:33
Smith Mundt. Which does not allow our government to Well
1:34:40
originally did not allow our government to propagandize our
1:34:44
own people. Although it's kind of mentioned in there that was
1:34:47
later repealed in the National Defense Authorization Act under
1:34:51
Obama. But of course, there's B and the reason was was the
1:34:55
internet you know, we might spill over but I remember these
1:34:58
quite vividly. During COVID, how did this campaign begin?
1:35:02
Unknown: There was growing interest in increasing the US as
1:35:06
use of clandestine propaganda and influence operations
1:35:10
following the 2016 election.
1:35:14
Adam Curry: How about that's interesting, when
1:35:17
Unknown: Russian intelligence operatives ran a hack and leak
1:35:20
to influence American voters? Has
1:35:23
Adam Curry: that ever been proven anywhere, no hack and
1:35:26
John C Dvorak: for those Hokey Pokey as it were in Facebook,
1:35:29
they spent $100,000 in ad has
1:35:32
Adam Curry: hack and leak. Okay,
1:35:34
Unknown: hack, there was already support and interest in this
1:35:38
area that going years later in 2019. Policies are instituted
1:35:43
through Congress, and also within the Defense Department
1:35:47
that lessened the approval process and made it easier to
1:35:51
run these types of missions globally, even outside of
1:35:55
defined war zones. With the COVID pandemic erupting in 2020.
1:36:01
The military looks to employ these tactics, while State
1:36:05
Department officials voiced caution. Diplomats argued that
1:36:11
it was not the right time during a pandemic, to spread fear
1:36:15
through propaganda because of the ramifications. Nonetheless,
1:36:19
the military continued their operations until at least summer
1:36:25
of 2021. So
1:36:26
Adam Curry: when I hear this, all I can think of is, well of
1:36:30
course they did that because perhaps the whole COVID thing
1:36:33
was a military operation to begin with, including operation
1:36:38
warp speed. I mean, why else? Why else would they do that?
1:36:44
John C Dvorak: There was one thing you're not gonna get in
1:36:45
this report, which was in the newsletter, which is the is the
1:36:48
is the phrase that we're using over and over again, which is
1:36:51
China. China develop develop the China is responsible for the for
1:36:58
the COVID. China's does its own vaccines. Don't trust China?
1:37:03
There was this don't trust China meme that they were putting out
1:37:07
and I just thought it was right up our alley, because we've been
1:37:10
saying using that old don't trust China. Clip forever.
1:37:15
Donald Trump don't trust China, China is as home
1:37:18
Adam Curry: so we're part of the military SIOP campaign, I guess,
1:37:23
unwittingly well, actually adulterous. Unwittingly,
1:37:27
unwittingly, we were.
1:37:28
John C Dvorak: I think we've heard of a lot of stuff
1:37:30
unwittingly. But
1:37:31
Adam Curry: wait, you one of your favorite code words is in
1:37:34
this last clip. And
1:37:35
Unknown: so how did it end? The influence operation began in
1:37:39
early 2020 with the spread of the Coronavirus and ran through
1:37:44
the Trump administration. But it also continued through the
1:37:47
beginning of the Biden administration. In January of
1:37:51
the Biden administration. When they first came into office.
1:37:54
They were notified by social media companies who were
1:37:56
dismayed by what they found. They had independently noticed
1:38:00
that the military was conducting these operations through fake
1:38:03
accounts on their platforms. And they told the Biden
1:38:05
administration that they'd seen evidence of the military
1:38:08
spreading COVID misinformation. The White House and the National
1:38:12
Security Council issued a ban internally on messaging by the
1:38:17
military on vaccines, but we continue to see the operation
1:38:22
active until later that spring into the early summer. The
1:38:26
US military is prohibited from targeting Americans with
1:38:29
propaganda, and Reuters found no evidence that the Pentagon's
1:38:33
influence operation. Pentagon spokeswoman said the US military
1:38:37
does use platforms including social media to counter malign
1:38:41
influence attacks aimed at the US. And she noted that China had
1:38:45
started a quote, disinformation campaign to falsely blame the
1:38:49
United States for the spread of COVID 19. Trump and Biden
1:38:53
spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment.
1:38:59
John C Dvorak: What are they gonna say
1:39:00
Adam Curry: this whole things I mean, while they were deep
1:39:03
platforming people, citizens doctors,
1:39:06
John C Dvorak: for so called COVID Ostersund per COVID
1:39:09
disinformation.
1:39:11
Adam Curry: At the same time, they're just the our own
1:39:14
government is SIOP in China, and then China sigh up things back,
1:39:19
like Oh, whoa, no, didn't start here. This whole thing now
1:39:23
smells like one big military defense department, opera, the
1:39:27
whole COVID thing. And it makes sense with warp speed
1:39:34
John C Dvorak: will also make sense with some of the clips
1:39:36
coming floating around that about showing people that had
1:39:39
the vaccine already in the in the key Yeah,
1:39:41
Adam Curry: in 2019.
1:39:43
John C Dvorak: So there's, well, we're talking about this sort of
1:39:46
thing. You also die. We're getting the blowback.
1:39:49
Adam Curry: Mmm hmm. We got to take a break, John.
1:39:51
John C Dvorak: I'm just telling you daftar these two clips would
1:39:54
be perfect. Okay. These are Ryan Cole, a epidemiologist that was
1:39:59
floated around some, I think they caught him at a, at a
1:40:03
county fair giving a speech. And so they decided to get a couple
1:40:07
of licks in. And these are very funny. Well, and they're not
1:40:11
funny by any means, but they're horrible. stories he tells you
1:40:16
about was Ryan Cole, who was Ryan Gleason epidemiologist as
1:40:20
floating around the country giving speeches about how bad
1:40:23
this vaccine was. Target is what he is. He's another one of those
1:40:26
guys at Target.
1:40:27
Unknown: Dr. Cole,
1:40:28
what in your opinion, was the greatest crime during COVID?
1:40:33
Adam Curry: Sounds like a Dutch guy, by the way,
1:40:36
Unknown: the truth died. We were lied to by governments who were
1:40:42
taken advantage of by intelligence agencies, we were
1:40:46
taken advantage of by Departments of Defense. And the
1:40:51
people were lied to that's the truth in science died.
1:40:56
What do you see, in the aftermath of the mRNA shots?
1:41:02
I think the biggest problem we're going to be fighting for a
1:41:04
long time is chronic autoimmune disease. These injections were
1:41:10
contaminated with DNA. They were made with us instead of
1:41:14
synthetic RNA. And they weren't just making spike proteins, they
1:41:18
were making Frankenstein proteins as well. And when the
1:41:21
immune system is exposed to proteins that it's not supposed
1:41:25
to see, then it starts to go haywire. So certainly, we've
1:41:29
seen some excess sudden death. And we've seen death from all
1:41:35
causes increased around the world after the rollout of these
1:41:40
genetic injections that were never a vaccine. They were
1:41:44
experimental genetic injections. And so a lot of autoimmune
1:41:47
disease for a long time and decreased fertility rates we're
1:41:50
already seeing in many countries around the world. And what I
1:41:54
noticed early on was we're seeing a lot of runaway turbo
1:41:58
cancers. And I think we're going to continue to see that and
1:42:01
sadly,
1:42:03
Adam Curry: yeah, Bloomberg had a story this morning. Why is
1:42:07
everyone getting sick?
1:42:09
John C Dvorak: Hmm. Okay, Milton's finally out of the ice.
1:42:12
Well, yeah, we were terrible cancer.
1:42:15
Adam Curry: We were pelted with the Kate Middleton just on and
1:42:19
on and on. Well, so is the Charles he's also got to you
1:42:22
guys, but cancer. But I think so allegedly, to make sure we don't
1:42:28
get sued by the Windsors. Alright, is that Julie's the
1:42:31
right way? Oh, so Ryan, Ryan is doing county fairs?
1:42:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this is where you This is where these
1:42:38
guys are at? Yeah, county fairs. Good on
1:42:41
Adam Curry: him. And he's in the arena.
1:42:42
Unknown: These weren't what they were advertised to be. They were
1:42:45
never a vaccine. And the lesson here, I think, is that we should
1:42:48
never, as a population ever use synthetic RNA, or genetic
1:42:54
injections ever again. Right?
1:42:57
Was that a big accident? Or I know did the people know what
1:43:00
they were doing? Who made those vaccines and peddle them on us?
1:43:03
The powers that be it was a big money game for them. And they
1:43:08
made up a false emergency. SARS cov. Two was never an emergency
1:43:14
for 99.9% of the population. So they used it as an opportunity
1:43:20
to test out their, quote, new technology that they've been
1:43:24
tinkering with and always failing with, and they rolled it
1:43:27
out onto humanity. Like I said, from the stage here, they would
1:43:32
make Mengele blush in terms of human experimentation. This was
1:43:37
a horrendous breach of human rights around the world.
1:43:41
destroyed lives destroyed businesses put more people into
1:43:44
poverty. This entire couple of years has been history will look
1:43:49
back and hopefully these people will be shown to be shameful
1:43:54
like they weren't. That's right.
1:43:55
Adam Curry: Yes, we will have sub stacks to look back on this
1:43:58
history.
1:44:01
John C Dvorak: And depth for this section section, the B
1:44:03
block with a C block with a uplifting, little message
1:44:07
Adam Curry: very uplifting, by the way, apparently substack
1:44:10
just for your information being a sub stacker they've gone woke
1:44:15
and they say now you're that What are you categorized in on
1:44:19
on the sub stack? crackpot there you go and with that, I'd like
1:44:22
to thank you for your courage in the morning to you the man who
1:44:25
put the sea he just did it in crackpot but also in cobalt from
1:44:28
Ukraine. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and
1:44:31
only Mr. John Cena.
1:44:34
John C Dvorak: Well, in the morning, you'll miss your
1:44:36
morning, boots in the ground feet in the air subs in the
1:44:39
water all the days and nights out
1:44:40
Adam Curry: there in the morning to the trolls and the troll.
1:44:46
It's Father's Day Of course. We had previous Sunday we had 1989.
1:44:52
Today we have 1618 That's kind of to be expected. People are
1:44:57
hanging out with their dads they're not donating for their
1:44:59
dads. But they aren't hanging out with their dads. Although
1:45:02
there's a couple I saw a couple of Father's Day donations. We we
1:45:08
want you to join the trolls. I have not pointed troll room.io
1:45:12
at the new website that Tim Sir Tim made code monkey, which is
1:45:17
no agenda dot stream it is really good, very pretty very
1:45:21
fast, very handy. So much better than that that temporary page
1:45:26
I've had up there for oh, I don't know, 10 years. So we
1:45:30
appreciate that. So no agenda dot stream and I will point
1:45:33
troll room.io at it because that's where you can hang out
1:45:36
with. Well, let's face it more than one and a half 1000 Trolls
1:45:39
that's not bad. They're all listening live. They do it every
1:45:42
Thursday and Wednesday. Of course we do the show live no
1:45:44
matter where we are in the world whenever we can we bring it to
1:45:46
you live, we do it live with the accompaniment from John Cena
1:45:49
vortex noisemakers and drums. And you can also enjoy this on a
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modern podcast app, try fountain fountain will immediately give
1:46:01
you an alert when we go live. Or if you can't listen to us live
1:46:05
when the show was published 90 seconds later, boom, it's up
1:46:08
there. And of course, you get all the extra bells and whistles
1:46:11
including the chapters, transcripts, you'd like the
1:46:15
transcripts, you can read along with the transcript. A lot of
1:46:17
people listen to the show for English as a second language. So
1:46:21
I'm actually some people come up to me and say, you know, I
1:46:23
really learned English by listening to you guys at the
1:46:25
meetup yesterday. I know. It's kind of a sad thought. But there
1:46:30
it is joking.
1:46:31
John C Dvorak: There's probably probably
1:46:35
Adam Curry: in October, we'll be celebrating 17 years, 17 years
1:46:39
and what a what a ride. It's been people want us to go for
1:46:43
for more, we're hanging in there. But remember, it's hard
1:46:45
to do this work. It's a grind. It's really takes a lot of grit.
1:46:51
And you know, we're doing it for you. And we can't do it without
1:46:56
producers. You heard we've got producers who are experts in
1:46:59
every single field that you can imagine. They've been carefully
1:47:03
trained throughout almost two decades, to always send us
1:47:07
information if they have it not think Oh, Adam and John won't
1:47:10
read it. Because we will. And we always take that information
1:47:13
gladly is very, very useful. You heard this or Tim does the
1:47:18
websites for us who got void zero. Everybody a little bit of
1:47:22
hardcoat health karma and prayers for void he's not
1:47:25
feeling too well. Particularly on Father's Day happened. Yes.
1:47:29
Some gasoline gastro issues. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'll make flu. No,
1:47:36
no, it's a little worse than that.
1:47:39
John C Dvorak: He'll live ulcer.
1:47:43
Adam Curry: It's not groovy. It's not it's not Oprah level,
1:47:45
but it's not great.
1:47:48
John C Dvorak: You know, when, if Oprah is going to make it?
1:47:51
You
1:47:51
Adam Curry: know, we'll get to that later. Also, we have to
1:47:55
talk about the new pandemic on the horizon. We'll do that right
1:47:58
after the break. There's a tease for you, because they're really
1:48:00
pushing it really really pushing it. And of course we have our
1:48:04
artists artists who use no agenda art generator.com I met
1:48:09
to one of our great Dutch masters Taunton, Neil at at the
1:48:13
meetup in here in Amsterdam yesterday. Of course that all
1:48:18
appears on no agenda are generated are calm, which Sir
1:48:20
Paul put together. I mean, really? We do have an amazing
1:48:23
community. Just look at the meetups by themselves. People
1:48:26
getting together. Yes.
1:48:27
John C Dvorak: So what When did she meet you before you said,
1:48:30
Oh, I was a kid. Yes, he
1:48:31
Adam Curry: was a kid. Yeah, she was a she was a teen. And she
1:48:35
gave me a, a, a beautiful, it's not really a scrapbook. It's a
1:48:40
produced book, which has scrapbook pages, but it's not
1:48:44
the actual scraps. It's all photocopied. And she put it into
1:48:48
a book and it's bound. And it's, I mean, it's beautiful. It is it
1:48:52
is a lot of a lot of my story. Certainly the days in the
1:48:56
Netherlands. She wrote me an eight page handwritten letter,
1:49:00
which was just fantastic. It was just great. It was great to meet
1:49:03
her again. It was great to hang out with her.
1:49:06
John C Dvorak: Do you remember meeting her the first time?
1:49:08
Absolutely not.
1:49:09
Adam Curry: But I've I've seen the picture. And you know, and I
1:49:13
can't even remember the event. I'm like, what, what what what
1:49:16
was that about? I have no idea. I have no idea. lost
1:49:20
John C Dvorak: to history. But she you know,
1:49:21
Adam Curry: she has followed my radio career and that inspired
1:49:24
her to get into radio. She actually studied broadcasting
1:49:29
communications in the States for a year. And then she became a
1:49:32
video editor. She's one of the first video editors on Big
1:49:35
Brother when the show first started to Dutch production when
1:49:39
first started here. And she I guess she was listening for
1:49:45
quite a number of years and never really wanted to send in
1:49:50
any art even though she has talent. And I think some of her
1:49:54
early work never got chosen if I remember the eight pages
1:49:57
correctly. And then she says and I feel figured it out. I figured
1:50:02
out well She sure did. What is she on the ranking right now?
1:50:05
She's gonna be up
1:50:05
John C Dvorak: there. Let's take a look at the leaderboards Adam.
1:50:09
Meanwhile,
1:50:10
Adam Curry: while you're doing that
1:50:12
John C Dvorak: the artwork was number six. Oh, I
1:50:15
Adam Curry: thought she was higher than that. Now, number
1:50:17
one is nicked a rat. This is all time or just or this year. This
1:50:21
is all time all time. How about from this year? Can you look
1:50:23
that up?
1:50:24
John C Dvorak: I got to roll I can do six months rolling.
1:50:27
Rolling six
1:50:28
Adam Curry: month average. Yes.
1:50:29
John C Dvorak: She stirred. Oh,
1:50:31
Adam Curry: I'm telling she's she's a Dutch master. For
1:50:34
episode 1668 We could have used some of her Dutch mastery we we
1:50:38
kind of went with the best one. We titled that one spill over
1:50:42
and this was the the yard sign the political yard sign, which
1:50:47
said rug pulled 2024 Make Trump deal with a corrector record.
1:50:52
Another Dutch master came in with that one. Let me take a
1:50:55
look. I know we were we weren't very satisfied with the
1:51:00
offering. And we're not saying that to be mean or anything.
1:51:03
We're just usually the
1:51:04
John C Dvorak: fault of the show. I would give it to defend
1:51:06
the artists if we don't have any triggering Yeah, commentary,
1:51:10
though. We did but it wasn't good. I can't do the art. So
1:51:13
Adam Curry: we had the you know, this is hard. This is a grind
1:51:16
which was a funny bid on the show with Meghan McCain. And so
1:51:19
they picked that one up. But yeah, that's no good. That's
1:51:23
John C Dvorak: no good. The other one is intent. And Neil
1:51:25
your friend, it kind of blew up her idea. I mean, she had the
1:51:29
idea listening to you, but then I you sent me the art the actual
1:51:32
picture that girls in the in the Apple presentation. Oh, yeah,
1:51:37
this is? It was a joke. Yeah, yeah. There was huge stove pipe
1:51:44
jeans there. Were there a denim with sandals. They look like
1:51:49
hell. And they're a high whatnot or your high water. Like you'd
1:51:52
like to put an old phrase? Yes. But they're always high. high
1:51:55
waisted. Yeah. So you look like a complete idiot on the stage.
1:51:59
And so
1:52:00
Adam Curry: I show that to Tina. You know what she says? Yep,
1:52:02
that's the fashion the girls are wearing these days.
1:52:06
Unknown: Well, good luck.
1:52:07
Adam Curry: That's what I said. Well, yeah, there'll
1:52:08
John C Dvorak: be attractive. The other girls wearing the same
1:52:10
outfit. That's for sure. That's which I think I said
1:52:14
Adam Curry: at Taunton, Neil did did put in the Shula discs from
1:52:20
the game, which was at the meetup, the the Dutch
1:52:22
shuffleboard. Yeah, I actually liked that piece. It was a good
1:52:25
piece, but we didn't think anyone would get it. Now the
1:52:27
Dutch might get it, but there was. I don't know. Do you think
1:52:31
we should have chosen that one?
1:52:34
John C Dvorak: In hindsight, no.
1:52:38
Adam Curry: Okay. But we appreciate the work of all of
1:52:42
the artists, the show would not be as successful without you.
1:52:45
There's no doubt about it. No doubt about it. And we
1:52:51
appreciate it. You can they're doing this live. So while while
1:52:55
we're talking they will be uploading art to nogen art
1:52:58
generator.com. Of course a tip for you new artists typically on
1:53:03
days like Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas Easter, we tend
1:53:07
to go traditional. We're always looking for something with an
1:53:10
edge but we tend to go traditional.
1:53:14
John C Dvorak: So if you can combine traditional with an edge
1:53:17
deals, there's your winner, there's your winner.
1:53:21
Adam Curry: Now for the so we all we ask for in return is that
1:53:25
if you get any value from the show, you know do something back
1:53:28
for the show. hit someone in the mouth, we asked for time, talent
1:53:32
treasure, you can give us a boots on the ground report. You
1:53:36
can organize a meet up you can send us your treasure. What I'd
1:53:39
like to do is since there were so many executive and Associate
1:53:42
Executive producers who handed on the spot donations, I'll I'll
1:53:46
do these now. I should just do everybody real quick. I wrote it
1:53:50
all down. Because I'm not shuffling through notes. Before
1:53:53
we then get to the rest of our executive and Associate
1:53:56
Executive Producer. That sounds okay by you. Yeah, it's fine.
1:54:01
Okay. I'm just asking like a little meeting on the side
1:54:04
little sidebar. So we had the raffle that this is something
1:54:08
that's started at these meetups. It's, it's interesting where
1:54:12
there's a raffle and everybody puts some donation money into
1:54:15
the pot. There were a lot of people there so the pot equaled
1:54:19
389 euros and that was won by a Sebastiana sticker. And he's
1:54:27
from taste your favorite spot. And so he will be listed as an
1:54:32
executive producer today. He wants no jingles no karma. Then
1:54:36
we had him Jacobina dame of the of the doomsday Demers I think
1:54:41
it is and was hard to read. She gave us a nice card. And 360
1:54:45
euros all this was cash by the way a couple of people gave us
1:54:48
some actual American money. Kyra lien may see deer number $100 in
1:54:56
cash and that's towards her Day a day mode also for her
1:55:01
birthday, which was June 5, and she says thanks for keeping her
1:55:05
saying. Chantel writes My 50 euros and she wants to deducing
1:55:09
almost second.
1:55:12
Unknown: Can you spend de duced
1:55:15
Adam Curry: rumbled Roberts hustle Brink 50 euros and a $5
1:55:20
note and very important a KLM dei pen, which is actually one
1:55:25
of the most interesting things I received. It literally says
1:55:28
diversity and inclusion on the pen. I think it's a collector's
1:55:32
item.
1:55:33
John C Dvorak: I think so too.
1:55:34
Adam Curry: Now, I'm not sure who gave me the no agenda monkey
1:55:37
and I forget who gave me the Jesus t shirt. But thank you for
1:55:39
that. We got to forever be 12 plus pillboxes from one of our
1:55:47
producers. I'll be sending that to you, John. That'll keep us
1:55:49
alert and alive forever. God is a matinee made music T shirts.
1:55:55
No runners pin. Then we had shady character 33 200 euros so
1:56:01
Associate Executive Producer, and he has some Oh yes, some
1:56:07
viral viral medical books that he wants added to the no agenda
1:56:11
books list. We'll do that. No jingles no karma. Sir. Rome,
1:56:15
Nolan 200 euros Edna Hema envelope, which was a nice touch
1:56:20
switch roofers deemed to be Bianca Bianchini and he has been
1:56:27
hitting her in the mouth for 10 years. And finally she started
1:56:30
listening. No jingles no karma. serpents. 200 euros plus 33.
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American sense. You want to double up karma. You got that
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form. You've got karma. And so that's Associate Executive
1:56:47
Producer his sister Kim gave us 333 euros and 33 cents or full
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on executive producer ship. She lives in Portugal. She wants to
1:56:56
do you spend deed deuced and she rents out holiday homes in benna
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Gil in the Algarve in Portugal. If you mentioned no agenda while
1:57:08
renting one you get a free bottle of champagne. Then, very
1:57:12
interesting. Amit, the Israel Israel lander. Amit is so he's
1:57:19
Israeli. And I mean, he's so Israeli. John, he's Mossad. Now
1:57:25
you should have said how Israeli is he? How Israeli is he? He's
1:57:30
so Israeli. If you put on a black hat and some curly Q's, he
1:57:33
could sell diamonds in New York. And he and he gave me an
1:57:38
envelope and you know, with the with 100 euros on it, and the
1:57:41
envelope said, here it is your Jew money.
1:57:44
John C Dvorak: So yes, by the way, Israelis don't look like
1:57:48
that.
1:57:50
Adam Curry: Amit does this one.
1:57:52
John C Dvorak: I know you might. But that doesn't mean he's not
1:57:55
like.
1:57:57
Adam Curry: I'm just telling you roop this is this is what Amit
1:57:59
looked like. But I just thought it was funny that he's good
1:58:02
look, he said, Yeah, it was a great look. Finally he says,
1:58:05
Here's your Jew money. It's true. We're getting Jew money.
1:58:08
And he says John's about time. He says John, He loves it when
1:58:12
you say someone's a mnemonic, because it reminds me he says of
1:58:16
his old Jewish mother.
1:58:19
John C Dvorak: So why she wasn't a nude Nick. Nick
1:58:24
Adam Curry: Ludwin, luxury and gave us a bottle of her SMPL dot
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international 7072 plant derived minerals. I'm tripping on him
1:58:34
right now. Got an old Amsterdam cap from Jacob, I think and 33
1:58:38
euros and you need to do
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Unknown: D deuced.
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Adam Curry: So thank you all very much, who came to the
1:58:46
meetup. It was great to see everybody. It was great to hang
1:58:48
out with you. And we'll do it again in four more years.
1:58:52
Something like that. It's tiring, long day. Over to our
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Executive Associate Executive producers came in either through
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the PayPal or through the PIO box checks etc. Or stripe. We
1:59:04
kick it off with Pim interim from Maastricht the Netherlands
1:59:08
four, five 6.66. And now oh, this is a meetup donation is why
1:59:14
there's well being invited to the meetup in Amsterdam. I
1:59:17
realized I couldn't show up without finally pushing myself
1:59:20
into knighthood. Is he on the list for knighthood? I take a
1:59:26
look here.
1:59:27
Unknown: Because it's not I don't think so.
1:59:29
Adam Curry: Not blue. Let me check.
1:59:33
John C Dvorak: No, he does. Oh, let
1:59:35
Adam Curry: me see what he says in the rest of the note. I've
1:59:37
been listening on and off and depending on my commute
1:59:40
schedule, but always enjoyed it every second. last donation was
1:59:44
10 years ago. Time flies when being a douchebag when you're a
1:59:48
douchebag. I guess, Adam? Uh, well, uh, maybe he's just being
1:59:52
he's on his way to knighthood I think. No, no, no, not really.
1:59:57
So time flies when you're being a douchebag hope i Adam would
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have enjoyed the best limbers to fly. Oh yes, there was limbers
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to fly which is Dutch cherry pie. Very good from the best
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Baker in the Netherlands. And not I got nothing else much else
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to say no jingles or special night name kind regards PIM from
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Maastricht in the Netherlands, so I'll just make him serve him.
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I think he's Yes, sir. pimelodus All right.
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John C Dvorak: I guess it was confusing. Yeah. Maggie tindora
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Finn, Carlsbad, New Mexico 350. In honor of my smokin hot candy
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and avian husband's birthday on June 20, I am donating 350 for
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Martin north to pull them out of his current douchebag status.
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You've been de deuced Happy Birthday. Keep up the great
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work. Very
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Adam Curry: nice. Douglas Murray Missoula, Montana 338 dot 33
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first executive producer donation so it's doing some
2:00:57
heavy lifting. Happy birthday to my mom Jerry and Happy Father's
2:01:01
Day to my dad. They lost a son on May 29. Rest in peace and my
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brother and his wife don't do drugs. He says their babies are
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in great hands. So send them your love and that sounds like a
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drama. This is a partial switcheroo please boost my sis
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to bear Netis Dame Ellen of the dream realm. I'd been a Baronet
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already myself, but I went all in on the dame drive back in the
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early days of COVID to get her a ring and never gotten I did
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myself. Oh man. You're a great brother. Please help me sir. Did
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you top of the sharp shovel boot karma for me please? I'm sorry.
2:01:38
I must have missed the boob karma. Is there such a thing?
2:01:42
No. We don't have I don't see your boob karma. Rattlesnake and
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eggs with Miss cow at the round table. If I may thank you for
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your courage Douglas Murray. Well, we do have some karma for
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you but not at the booboo you've got karma but I'm sure you'll
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get it works with karma. You ask you receive
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John C Dvorak: Connor Balian tip city Ohio. Three Three 3.69 ITM
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gentlemen, I couldn't resist the opportunity to donate to the
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show number that ends in 69. Can you please consider this a
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randomizer donation as I don't want my total donation
2:02:21
accounting to be that many sixes in a row? Please also de douche
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my friends sir Nick Leary. Ben de deuced is a night where he's
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never been deduced. I don't think he needed it. Adam, I
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think what you're doing with booster gram balls and Bitcoin
2:02:42
could revolutionize the music industry. And peer to peer
2:02:46
payments. perfect use case for bit playing. I haven't heard one
2:02:51
in a while. I'll have to tune back in. send prayers instead of
2:02:56
a jingle. Can I get an OH NO from John. Oh, no. Thank you for
2:03:02
your courage. Connor Bailey. In Columbus, Ohio, Columbus, Ohio.
2:03:07
Adam Curry: Becky, Kenny, Kenny, and he she is in Katy, Texas.
2:03:13
Happy Father's Day, James. Thank you. Appreciate that. Please see
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Pay Pal donation of 333 dot 33 To celebrate Father's Day from
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my wonderful husband, Baronet. Well, Baronet Mike, of the great
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Katy Prairie. Just look at what great fathers our sons are to
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see how good a father you are. I love you honey. Keep up the good
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work no jingles no karma regards Becky Kenny Dame with a great
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Katy Prairie. That's a beautiful one Becky.
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John C Dvorak: Dame Greta Harrington comes up from sparks
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Nevada. 33333 ITM John and Adam, Happy Father's Day. Thank you
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for your courage,
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Adam Curry: sir Larry Columbus, Ohio. 333 dot 20. Sir Larry here
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Happy Father's Day to my dad Robert Leary. This is a
2:03:56
switcheroo donation. So the executive producer credit goes
2:04:00
to him. Also Central Ohio meetup Friday, June 21. And there will
2:04:04
be a Dayton Ohio meetup Saturday June 22. You got it.
2:04:11
John C Dvorak: Okay, now, I have to get the notes out. Once you
2:04:15
read this when he added a note in front of you.
2:04:17
Adam Curry: Yes, I think I do. What is my my my my soul? My
2:04:22
small screens, man. My small screens.
2:04:26
John C Dvorak: Shoot where it was right near me. And I
2:04:28
Adam Curry: got it. I got I haven't notes open. This is from
2:04:34
it's this. This is a $300. Yes, I'm saying that right. Yes. And
2:04:39
this is from Charlotte from San Francisco. And I have the note
2:04:44
here. Luckily, it's a yellow paper. Apparently, there's a
2:04:48
post it note. Adam and John. Listen to your show often and
2:04:52
never feel I've wasted my time aiming for a dame hood for a
2:04:56
year from now. I have my number straight. Okay, I hope you do.
2:05:00
Thanks for anchoring so many of us to sanity anchoring to
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sanity. With lots of last thrown in, keep on keepin on, says
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Charlotte
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John C Dvorak: the general with a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt Jen with a
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G Gen or Gen Gen Gen a Gen G Gen Gen with a G A G G and Wyatt
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then Liberty Lake Washington. tu tu tu tu tu tu first Associate
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Executive Producer. This row of ducks is to honor Kyle the spook
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A Spokane this Father's Day is brought more joy to us as a
2:05:40
father than we could have ever imagined. Please send us more
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baby making karma we got that. Still working on it but as you
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to suggested John Adam will be on the list of possible names.
2:05:55
We love you Kyle. Love Jen with a Ge, Ge Ge and Wyatt. Imagine
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if they have twins.
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Adam Curry: It's John Adams. Or how about Charles and Clark? Our
2:06:07
middle names is also not good you happen to bend over kids
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here's your bad karma
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John C Dvorak: is not the baby making karma?
2:06:17
Adam Curry: Yeah it is Dane best not Oh you're right I'm sorry
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it's so new the baby making karma that I forgot we had it
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here we go. There's your baby making karma Come on, baby. Come
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on up.
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Unknown: You've got Parma
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Adam Curry: you put that one together yourself? I did on
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Audacity. Yeah. Cool. That's a good one. Day Beth is in Tucson
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with a row of ducks. 222 dot 22 Heil boys, calling all Tucson
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slaves to join us for libation snacks and fun. During the
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second summer solstice Soiree. This Thursday at Kings crown
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from four to seven. It's a dry heat. No jingles no karma damn
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Beth bareness of the Baja Arizona.
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Unknown: Que me to do this.
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John C Dvorak: I got de you might as well you got him open
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to
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Adam Curry: him. Bang bang to 1875 John Adam, it has been a
2:07:22
long time since my last donation. Wishing you both a
2:07:25
Happy Father's Day. Thank you. Did you get anything for
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Father's Day?
2:07:29
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I gotta get from J.
2:07:31
Adam Curry: Oh, what did she give you? Can we talk about it?
2:07:34
John C Dvorak: Well, it was it was what she gave me is a crazy
2:07:37
something she saw on Tik Tok. Yes. It's a crazy Lazy Susan
2:07:43
device that goes onto one of the shelves with your refrigerator.
2:07:48
And you load it up with everything you need to spin it
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around and it tucks back in there. It's an absolutely key.
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If you have a refrigerator that's deep like I do. It's the
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only way and get to the stuff in the back. It works great. What
2:08:01
are you gonna put in it condiments? No, it's all
2:08:04
condiments already. She already installed it. And yeah, it's
2:08:08
called most economists. And in fact, in the process of doing
2:08:10
that I discovered a mustard that I lost somehow in the
2:08:13
refrigerator years
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Adam Curry: ago. Any other treasures back there?
2:08:18
John C Dvorak: Not anything major. Okay, good. My
2:08:22
Adam Curry: daughter is taking me on a pancake boat tour.
2:08:27
John C Dvorak: Do pancakes float? No.
2:08:30
Adam Curry: But they will be making pancakes while they tour
2:08:32
through the waters of Rotterdam. Which I've never done. Yeah,
2:08:36
never done that. And it's supposed to be beautiful weather
2:08:39
when we do it on Tuesday. So back to Dame Bang Bang wishing
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us both a Happy Father's Day. Please accept this donation in
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honor of Sir DH slammer. Who is a wonderful father and husband.
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He will be celebrating his birthday on 618 So this is a
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we'll have a we'll have on the list. Happy Father's Day and
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birthday. My night love Dane bang bang. Isn't that nice?
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John C Dvorak: He will he got Zedek Gazette is a doc Zadar ZZ
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Doc Brown to third. And Maka Maka Wha Oh. In Hawaii to 1270
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and no note NOAC anything you're used to double up karma.
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Unknown: You've got karma.
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Adam Curry: Amy Lipinski Cold Springs Minnesota to 1060 must
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include some fees there appreciate it. Good morning,
2:09:39
gents. Switch route today for my my excuse me. My smokin hot
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husband Dan the man Dan Lipinski. Happy Father's Day
2:09:47
from your loving wife Amy Lynn and your loving but sometimes
2:09:51
difficult daughter zayley. Thank you for all you do for us. Is it
2:09:56
is zayley zayley. I
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John C Dvorak: think it's just a difficult daughter I think a
2:10:00
mnemonic
2:10:01
Adam Curry: is there any other kind? That's at certain ages?
2:10:04
They're all difficult daughters. That's what dads would tell you
2:10:06
if they're honest. Thank you for all you do for us. Dan used
2:10:11
dailies Christmas money on a donation for me for Mother's
2:10:14
Day. So I figured we might as well use her birthday money for
2:10:17
it but Father's Day that's how you do it with those difficult
2:10:21
daughters Good job mom. seemed logical to me. Anyway, thank you
2:10:25
Dan for supporting us always and really supporting me in his
2:10:27
first year of running my own business. If you're in my area,
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Cold Spring Minnesota and are in need of a new hairstylist. Look
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me up. Refreshed, LLC. That's refreshed, LLC. Thank you, John
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and Adam for your continued media construction. It is highly
2:10:44
appreciated. Happy Father's Day all father's out there from Amy
2:10:48
Lipinski.
2:10:51
John C Dvorak: Anonymous in Colorado to under seven bucks.
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This donation is in memory of my father, a guy worthy of a Kid
2:10:59
Rock song who was taken from us by dem aside in the COVID
2:11:03
nightmare of summer 2021. I transmitted it to him and while
2:11:08
he could have easily been saved by early treatment, instead, he
2:11:12
was allowed to die alone in a hospital surrounded by people
2:11:15
who load him to guilt his broken me and my mom is completely
2:11:20
nosedives sense. Christians, including myself better wake up
2:11:24
to the reality that you'll be turning the other cheek when
2:11:28
some gun toting POS government dude wearing a dress is loading
2:11:33
you into a box car. So I know the show's already has one bus,
2:11:38
goat calm and God bless you both John and Adam.
2:11:42
Adam Curry: Wow, I'm sorry to hear that anonymous. Can be
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praying for him. You've got karma. Wise words, wise words
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Eli, the coffee guy, Bensenville Illinois 206 13. And he wants to
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dedicate this Father's Day donation to the man who
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influenced him most. He says my grandfather Bucky gear Tich
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gear, which I think is gear teach Bucky. He was union he was
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a union pipe cover, who helped build several nuclear power
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plants and refineries throughout the Midwest, and was the type of
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guy who could fix just about anything with a roll of duct
2:12:21
tape, a wrench and a screwdriver. If you're alive, if
2:12:25
that's a man, that's an American man right there. If he were
2:12:27
alive today, I believe Bucky would have enjoyed no agenda.
2:12:30
One of his favorite saying was kid, look who's getting paid and
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that'll tell you everything you need to know. A karma for all
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the dads out there this Father's Day and remember, it's always a
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good time to send dad some coffee. Visit gigawatt coffee
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John C Dvorak: then you loop Atkins up and she says she's in
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Lakewood, Colorado. She says this is a little different. Is
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an episode of 668 My friend Donnie donated and credited me
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with punching him in the mouth. While I was happy and proud of
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my good friend. I felt like a douche bag. To counter his
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contribution. I'm offering dueling douchebag donation of
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$200. No jingles, no karma. Beautiful. Thank you very much
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Chase. I encourage this activity. And with that we thank
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all of our meetup participants here in Amsterdam and today's
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1669 episode, donations or executive and Associate
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for value is you send us whatever the show is worth to
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you. And we can't determine that only you can time talent
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Unknown: Our formula is this. We go out. We hit people in the
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mouth
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Adam Curry: All right. I want to I want to hit us with the bird
2:15:12
flu right away because they cannot stop. They just can't
2:15:15
stop for whatever reason. They can't stop. And it's spreading.
2:15:21
Not what have some CBS clips. I
2:15:23
John C Dvorak: know you probably noticed that spreading it all.
2:15:25
Adam Curry: The meme is spreading the bird flu mean.
2:15:28
John C Dvorak: Yes, yes, for sure. Yeah, that right and most
2:15:30
Adam Curry: interesting, I would have to say and I do have some
2:15:32
CBS clips. I know you have a couple as well, because we have
2:15:35
to stay on top of this because we were a little lacks. When
2:15:38
that COVID thing came along. We were laughing at the people
2:15:41
fallen down on Tik Tok in China. He was all funny. And there was
2:15:46
no one dying and they were just ramping it up and then all of a
2:15:48
sudden we were locked down and life change for everybody. But
2:15:51
now it is we already identified this happening on the last show
2:15:57
where Chris Cuomo started talking about you know, the the
2:16:04
flu vid and the flu Vax and should we take it who did and I
2:16:09
think news, I think News, News News Mac news nation has been
2:16:14
compromised. And this is the Cuomo show with some feeling kid
2:16:19
and listen to what he has to say, could
2:16:21
Unknown: we be on the verge of another pandemic and one that
2:16:25
could be even worse than the one caused by Coronavirus. This
2:16:29
time, it could actually be bird flu. Let's hope not. The CDC is
2:16:32
now calling for more testing for bird flu at America's farms
2:16:36
sounding alarms after several farm workers contracted the
2:16:40
disease from animals since 2003. There have been 888 confirmed
2:16:45
human cases worldwide, according to the DC, CDC, but but here's
2:16:49
the scary part half of those half of those patients died from
2:16:53
the disease. Compare that to COVID in which just 0.6% of
2:16:58
people who tested positive actually died. The fear now is
2:17:03
that the bird flu is changing, adapting and could spread to not
2:17:07
just birds, but also cattle and pigs and then eventually spread
2:17:10
from human to human.
2:17:12
Adam Curry: So that's just the setup. Well, that's
2:17:15
John C Dvorak: worse than anything report I've heard
2:17:17
because he's used the current the term is changing. And
2:17:22
adapting. It's not.
2:17:24
Adam Curry: Oh, but it doesn't have to do anything. It doesn't
2:17:27
have to exist. All I'm waiting for now is Johns Hopkins. This
2:17:33
one needs to come out with some charts.
2:17:35
John C Dvorak: I think we need I think we're in intermix with my
2:17:38
three clips as a Johns Hopkins
2:17:40
Adam Curry: may really you really have a Johns Hopkins
2:17:42
mentioned I
2:17:43
John C Dvorak: just mentioned, I think there may be one in there.
2:17:46
Adam Curry: Well, let me let me get through these. And let's see
2:17:48
if you have a Johns Hopkins. This is the introduction of a
2:17:52
guy who I kind of had respect for but I've lost it now. This
2:17:57
is Redfield, the guy from the CDC who resigned who left he was
2:18:02
like this is no good and he was kind of in the in the man this
2:18:07
is bullcrap. We shouldn't have done it this way
2:18:09
John C Dvorak: Academy put a gun to his head there. Yeah, yeah.
2:18:11
Hey,
2:18:13
Adam Curry: what's this picture man?
2:18:14
Unknown: Former CDC director Robert Redfield, who helped
2:18:17
oversee our country's response to COVID says it is definitely
2:18:21
time to take this more seriously. And Dr. Redfield
2:18:25
joins me live now. It's always nice to see you, doctor. I
2:18:27
remember you told Chris not long ago, that the bird flu could
2:18:32
make COVID COVID look like a little pandemic, which was quite
2:18:36
alarming. I mean, is that really the case? Yes, Brian,
2:18:39
I really do think it's very likely that we will at some
2:18:43
time, it's not a question of, if it's more of a question of when
2:18:47
we will have a bird flu pandemic. And, as you mentioned,
2:18:53
unfortunately, bird flu has, when it does enter humans has a
2:18:58
significant mortality, probably somewhere between 25 and 50%
2:19:04
mortality. So it's going to be quite complicated. Since 2019,
2:19:08
we've had a progressive increase in bird flu in chickens and
2:19:12
ducks and turkeys in our country. And since then, you've
2:19:15
seen it now go into a number of mammals. It's now in over 25
2:19:20
different mammals, I think now with the lions recently is now
2:19:23
in 27 minutes in the llamas animals in the United States.
2:19:27
Why is that important? Is why know exactly what has to happen
2:19:32
for bird flu to be infectious for you and go human to human
2:19:37
scientist in 2012 actually did experiments in the lab using
2:19:42
function research, which I'm not in favor of, but two scientists
2:19:46
did it and they figured the five amino acids that have to change
2:19:49
in a key receptor in order for us to gain a propensity to bind
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to the human receptor and then be able to go human to human. So
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Adam Curry: if I hear this Guy correctly, he's just saying it
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that all they have to do is pull the trigger the recipe you can
2:20:06
get it from me Chad GPT they just have to change the five
2:20:11
little bits and then we can have bird flu. That's what he's
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saying.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's very true what they're doing this
2:20:18
what they're working on is that like, you know, the Peter
2:20:20
McCullough clips describe this perfectly, and they named the
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lab and the people. He did a pretty good job of that even
2:20:27
though I got a nasty note from somebody saying up here, my call
2:20:29
is part of the op.
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Adam Curry: Well, he's certainly well, if the OP is to tell us
2:20:36
that they I mean, what I'm hearing now because this is news
2:20:39
nation. This is not CNN is not CBS. CBS is not NPR. And we know
2:20:45
this is the Cuomo show, which by itself is clearly some kind of
2:20:49
op. Clearly guy can't apologize for anything. And then take that
2:20:56
with what Macaulay is saying they are basically saying
2:20:59
without saying it, they can do it to you. They can do it. Now
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what that means is little interesting because I don't
2:21:09
recall McCullough saying 50% of people will die from the bird
2:21:13
flu there's no evidence so
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John C Dvorak: he's the opposite. Yeah, he said this is
2:21:17
all the people that is and he said I'll just reiterate without
2:21:21
him to play these clips again. He said that the people who died
2:21:25
at a higher death rate of bird flu are the ones out in the
2:21:28
middle of nowhere China, where are they handling a lot of birds
2:21:33
and again Depp getting bird flu and then they never get treated
2:21:36
at all and they're just left to die and so they die at a high
2:21:40
rate but that's not what would happen in a normal situation. So
2:21:46
that the bogus that deaths rate numbers bogus
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Adam Curry: Okay, so but but the idea they can do it Redfield is
2:21:53
now propagating the
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John C Dvorak: idea what they could do is not kill people
2:21:56
whose is the changed amino acid so it becomes human, the human
2:22:00
transmissible, but according to Makala, again, this is just a
2:22:03
result in everybody having conjunctivitis it would be kind
2:22:06
of gory to watch, look around at what people look
2:22:09
Adam Curry: like. And we'll have to test with swabs in our eyes,
2:22:11
which
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John C Dvorak: that is right. I forgot about that. Yes, well,
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well,
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Adam Curry: I think the key word here is just like we had the
2:22:19
ferrets during COVID I think the llamas, the llamas are the ones
2:22:25
who look out for when the llama start keeling over, then you
2:22:27
know they've released
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Unknown: it, is it like COVID? Where if you cough someone else
2:22:30
can get it? Is that how it spreads? Or does it spread a
2:22:33
different way? No,
2:22:34
it's likely to spread through aerosols and droplets is how
2:22:37
it's going to eventually spread mascot. And once the once the
2:22:41
virus gains the ability to attach to the human receptor,
2:22:46
and then go human to human, that's when you're going to have
2:22:49
the pandemic. And as I said, I think it's just a matter of
2:22:52
time. Normally, the five amino acid changes is a huge, huge