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June 27th • 3h 8m

1672: Sand Battery

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Adam Curry: were baking. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. Thursday,
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June 27 2024. This Year Award Winning Combination media
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assassination episode 1670. This is no agenda running on backups
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and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas hill country
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here in FEMA Region number six in the morning, everybody. I'm
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Adam curry, and
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John C Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley words another
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nice day. I'm John C. Dvorak. Buzzkill.
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Adam Curry: show prep is hard, man. It's a grind. It's a grind
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to
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John C Dvorak: tell you this year, June where we normally
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have a kind of a mild summer is and then it gets cold is,
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especially in July. It was miserable last year. It was
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gloomy every day of June I bitched and moaned about initial
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state cold, it didn't warm up until October. Did you go back
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two years more normal?
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Adam Curry: Did you go back in your diary and look it up?
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John C Dvorak: No, I remember it. It was so miserable.
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Adam Curry: Before we started a couple of couple by
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John C Dvorak: the way, wait, wait. I advice to people out
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there who are younger. Especially if you're going to be
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a writer that's ever for anybody just just to be an even a normal
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person. Do a diary. Do
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Adam Curry: a diary. Do a diary. Yes, I do a diary. Do you do a
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diary? No,
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John C Dvorak: I wish I did what you can.
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Adam Curry: It's never too late to start.
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John C Dvorak: It's too late to start.
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Adam Curry: Do you know that I still have diaries.com and that
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every day someone asked to buy that from me
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John C Dvorak: what you have diaries.com?
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Adam Curry: I do? I do. But no one ever no one ever hits my
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number. They're like, yeah, and the worst is like
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John C Dvorak: what do you tell us what the number is publicly
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and maybe somebody will
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Unknown: one Bitcoin? 10 That's too low. No
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Adam Curry: one's ever even bitten for that.
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John C Dvorak: You're now my official art.com sold for
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Adam Curry: it. That's art.com that's not diaries.com.
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John C Dvorak: Teto $1 million.
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Adam Curry: Okay. Oh, if you can get a million dollars, we'll
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give you half.
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Unknown: Okay. Oh,
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Adam Curry: all of a sudden, JCPS Oh, I have to make an
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announcement. During this program. Our troll fact checkers
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will be muting our mics if either of us starts to spew
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disinformation? Or if we're talking over each other.
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John C Dvorak: Well, I tell you, then how they could possibly be
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mute. Out of the blue? Because I think it would sound terrible.
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Adam Curry: That's really funny. That's a good gag. John, I'd
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like to do that is very funny. Two other mentions, I have to
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let you know. We discussed on the previous episode about my
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hard drive. In the Beelink.
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John C Dvorak: You Yes, we did.
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Adam Curry: And I of course had ordered a replacement drive. I
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had the connectors I'm ready to do the the what is it? The
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ghosting and yesterday I didn't do any i I'll tell you why I
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didn't do anything on Tuesday, Wednesday morning. I walk in and
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it fails.
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John C Dvorak: is done is tele we talked about last show at the
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end of the show in the miracle blur. And that may may occur
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with the post mortem where we talk about you
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Adam Curry: said what do we want we talked about on the show. We
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talked about this about this drive. And then I had to get a
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new drive and I didn't even have time to do it. It failed on
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Wednesday. So I'm running on the backup machine. The whole
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Beelink is toast. I don't think I can I don't think I can bring
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that drive back to life. Probably not. And then so I open
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up this Beelink thinking oh, this might as well do it. And
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then you open it up. You open the bottom. It's like oh,
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there's a nice little slot for there's no drive in there. No,
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no, you've got to open it. You got to break this whole case.
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John C Dvorak: That's for an add on driving. I
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Adam Curry: know but it's not like the easiest to get this
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thing out of the Beelink it sucks. I'm sad I ever took your
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advice to get one. I have to
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John C Dvorak: I had to be linked at the same thing
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happened. I have. I have another one now. Same thing happened. I
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too. I warned you about getting it out of there as fast as you
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could which you didn't, which I did. I
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Adam Curry: was like I was going as fast as I could, which I did.
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It wasn't fast enough. But
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John C Dvorak: getting the drive in and out of that thing is not
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that hard. It's not like a miserable. Let
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Adam Curry: me ask you a question. Does the Beelink that
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failed on you? Does that contain the password to divorce.org/na?
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Is that? Is that the drive that failed? Why? Well because you're
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unable to change that.
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John C Dvorak: Well, all I know is this was over probably a year
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and a half Two years ago, so I don't remember who probably had
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a password or two on it, but it was beside the point. I'm more
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cautious now and I back everything up. I'm
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Adam Curry: very cautious so I'm now I'm running on the on the
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surface eight. Which, who knows how those things were that thing
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that you can do anything with that drive? It's baked in there.
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It's solid
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John C Dvorak: baked. Yeah, that's the idea. That way the
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whole machine is toast you can't change anything or fix it and
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then the other just shouldn't be illegal.
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Adam Curry: Just a minor announcement. I had a
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periodontal procedure on Tuesday, so I'm a bit swollen
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and and it only luckily it only really hurts when I really
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laugh, but I had a bone graft so
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Unknown: some compassion please
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John C Dvorak: I'm supposed to completely eliminate my humorous
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one liners and the rest
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Adam Curry: It's already hurting stop
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John C Dvorak: you stop laugh I told him throw some willpower
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man
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Adam Curry: I told him I say can't we do this you know after
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the show on Thursday said no no no Adam there's there's a I got
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a cocktail party this is a special on Hamas bone this month
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so we might as well do it now. Hey, oh, there it is. If you
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hear me go Allahu Akbar. You'll know why I don't
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John C Dvorak: understand where they probably put the implant I
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don't understand it probably microphone is now in your mouth.
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Oh
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Adam Curry: it's it's the implant is already in there I
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did some bone graft that arm because the bone microphone
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John C Dvorak: grafted on
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Adam Curry: okay, you can just listen to the podcast you don't
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need to be listening to my built in grafted microphone. While we
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John C Dvorak: get that way they can they can pick up what we say
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after the show which is not broadcast. Oh, yeah.
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Adam Curry: Well, which is mainly consists of you saying?
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Told you so told you. Is it a
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John C Dvorak: nice try. That's you.
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Adam Curry: Anyway, today every everybody in M five M land is
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all GD all jacked up. Oh, it's the big day. It's debate day.
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John C Dvorak: Today's big day,
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Adam Curry: it's the big day. It's a big day. It kind of
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overshadows Assange. To be fair about Assange
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John C Dvorak: was I think it's almost timed that were I think
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they why did they release Assange during this like last
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week? I have a I have a series of Assange clips. By the way, if
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you want to talk about
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Adam Curry: let me do a background and then you play
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your Assange clips. This is a shorty Julian Assange
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Unknown: spent the day traveling video released by his team
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documenting his journey today on a private jet from the UK to
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Bangkok. And finally, the Northern Mariana Islands, where
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he's just landed. And when appear in the US court, the
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Justice Department's 18 charges against him, including
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conspiring with Army Intelligence Officer Chelsea
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Manning to hack us secrets reduced to just one plea deal.
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And he will get credit for time served five and a half years in
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a UK jail. In 2010. Assange is WikiLeaks released a trove of
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material including details of the killing of civilians in Iraq
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and Afghanistan. This the end of a long standoff, his next will
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likely be Australia, where his wife and children are waiting
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for him.
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Adam Curry: I'm always baffled why NBC has Brett's doing all
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the reporting. Why don't we do we run out of American
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reporters?
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John C Dvorak: There has to be some study that was done.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, it's more serious if it's from a Brit.
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Right. In
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John C Dvorak: certain instances, they felt obliged to
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use Brett's because it conveys some subtext that we don't
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understand because we never saw the study.
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Adam Curry: Okay, fair enough, I think yeah, possibly. It's a
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little irksome.
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John C Dvorak: It is I don't like it either.
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Adam Curry: They don't have American journalists over there
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on the BBC.
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John C Dvorak: Not that I can tell you this. I haven't seen
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any.
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Unknown: No. All right. So you have some asides? If PBS
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John C Dvorak: break down, okay. And it was, it's fairly
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complete, it went on and on and on, it went a lot further. It
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had the they brought in an expert who hated Assange, and
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stuff should be shot, and answered old PBS, and some, and
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this guy was like a stooge, if there ever was I did clip it.
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And then they had a counterpoint some kind of a wimpy, freedom of
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speech guy who's willing, you know, I don't think so. So that
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wasn't worth it. But I think the overall coverage was okay, let's
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go with Assange one, elitist voices of America.
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Unknown: This is NPR or PBS
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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, a brave whistleblower
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to his allies. A national security threat to his critics,
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is on the verge of being a free man.
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Assange is pleading guilty in a court in the Northern Mariana
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Islands that's the US commonwealth and will be
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sentenced to time served allowing him to return to his
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native Australia. Nick Schifrin is here tracking the story.
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Nick,
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critic Jeff Assange is notorious for some of the largest leaks of
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classified information in US history, as well as posting
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emails that played an outsized role in the 2016 election. And
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tonight, the Wikileaks founder is ending a decade long legal
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saga with us and heading home tonight Julian Assange has brief
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and final moments on US soil to appear and perhaps the US is
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most remote courthouse on the Northern Mariana Islands. His
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road to freedom began this morning on the way to a British
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airport and signing his plea deal documents and landing in
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Bangkok his first time outside the United Kingdom in 14 years.
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Court documents reveal that Assange will plead guilty to a
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single felony to receive and obtain documents writings and
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notes connected with the National Defense including such
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materials classified up to the secret level, and willfully
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communicate documents relating to the national defense. He will
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spend no time in US jail, and more than 62 months spent in a
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British prison will count for time served allowing him to
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return to his native Australia or prime minister Anthony
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Albanese today celebrated his release regardless
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John C Dvorak: of the views that people have about Mr. Assange as
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activities the case has dragged on for too long. Yeah, yeah.
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Adam Curry: Do you have any opinion in general on the the
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fact that he took a plea deal?
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John C Dvorak: As it was a wise thing to do? He wanted to get
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out of there. I think there was a couple of peculiarities I
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thought since when does time served in a British prison count
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as time served in America? Are we running the whole world like
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that? So that that prison is the same as one of ours?
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Adam Curry: I could make that case. Yeah, I could make the
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case Hey, we let them do our news. We might as well you know
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control their jails
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John C Dvorak: I guess so.
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Adam Curry: It just seems like on one hand because I read the
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plea agreement which was quite extensive and and of course what
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really what what really isn't discussed because we you know,
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we have we're doing the show and this came out it's only
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mentioned a little bit even have that background or clip I played
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is really the horrendous video that means I think that's really
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what the big the big issue was.
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John C Dvorak: I agree I that they showed that video on this
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report. Oh, they did and it showed it a lot. Oh, okay. Yeah,
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they showed that video and that video weed let's back
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Adam Curry: up but not with audio. Audio. Were they gonna
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like yeah, this audio? Yes. Smoking really with the smoke of
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milk. Wow. Okay, so they had
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John C Dvorak: a video this is everyone should know this. But
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we're just going to remind everyone that one of the first
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things Wiki Leaks did that was really pretty substantial. Was
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they showed a video that was captured. I don't know where
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they got it from. One of the choppers in this was Apache
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helicopters Apache helicopter. And was this in Iraq, Iran,
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Iraq, Iraq, okay. There wasn't Iran. Obviously, it was either
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Iraq or Afghanistan. So it was Iraq. And then they had this
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video showing there was two Reuters reporters, and they had
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targeted one of them. These are news guys. And they gunned him
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down from this from the helicopter.
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Adam Curry: Oh, not even that. But then when the ambulance
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showed up, they shot the ambulance. Yeah, they shot they
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shot up to place I mean, that's exactly what we accused the
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terrorists of doing it was it was nasty. The the chilling
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John C Dvorak: and I use that word advisedly. The chilling
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aspect was the matter of fact attitude of the of the
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helicopter pilots in sight. They didn't give a shit they were
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just okay. Let's get him a smoke them and they were just, it was
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very matter of fact.
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Adam Curry: Yeah. But now to be fair, it's cold. It was cold
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blooded. To be fair, when you're in a war situation, and I've
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been to Iraq during the war. Nobody knows anything. And you
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just get I mean, I can see.
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John C Dvorak: I'm not gonna argue that no, but it was to the
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American public to see this, witness it and listen to these
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guys. It was hearable was to
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Adam Curry: now he really only didn't get arrested until the
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Hillary and Podesta emails I think that's that's when they
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put their foot down.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, they did that and they so they set those
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they found some Swedish girls that accused him of a row. Yeah,
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there was that whole thing you don't forget that. That's how
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they got that's how he first got his ticket in the ringer, so to
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speak. And that was a fake deal. That was some phony baloney
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thing about that because they pulled out of it after they
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jailed him and then once he went to the equity or an embassy they
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could, they cancelled that part because now he was because he
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went out on bail and then jumped into the embassy. And that meant
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he was a bail for lontar. And so now they had, they could put him
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back in jail because he didn't violate his terms of the bail it
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the whole thing was just a scam. But this report also includes
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something that I thought was very. This is classic PBS
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propaganda in here, you'll hear it, you'll catch it because I
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kind of ended on one of his notes that's played part two,
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there is nothing to be gained by his continued incarceration and
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we want him brought home to Australia, of course of the war
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Unknown: needs to change. nearly 15 years ago, Assange presented
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himself as the ultimate truth teller, revealing what he called
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the reality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. 1007 US
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military tech in Baghdad that killed two Reuters journalists,
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WikiLeaks dropped 400,000 classified documents that the
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Pentagon said risk us informants lives. They were leaked by US
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Army Intelligence Analyst Chelsea Manning, later convicted
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under the Espionage Act 2010 He was arrested by British
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authorities after two Swedish women accused him of sexual
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assault charges later dropped. And after he failed to make
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bail, he fled into Ecuador's Embassy in London, where he
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remained for seven years as WikiLeaks stands under threat.
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So does the freedom of expression. Wikileaks has
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released what appears to be transcripts in 2016, WikiLeaks
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posted documents that Russian intelligence had hacked from the
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Hillary Clinton campaign.
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No, that's not true.
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John C Dvorak: Exactly. You caught it. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: that's not how that went down. It was Podesta got
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fished. If I recall correctly. Well,
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John C Dvorak: that was that was one element, but we're talking
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about the stuff that was taken, believed to be taken by Seth.
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Oh,
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Adam Curry: Seth Rich? Oh, yes, of course. Of course. Hey. Huh,
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by the way, by the way, it was I think that they should say, just
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to be correct, because it bugs me that he he got those
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documents from Bradley Manning, who later became Chelsea
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Manning,
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John C Dvorak: they should do that. But I'm going back to this
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this other issue, which was the yes claims, because Because
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Assange himself said this did not come from the Russians. Yes.
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I
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Adam Curry: remember he did the interview in the Netherlands
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about he made a big fuss about
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John C Dvorak: and not it's not the Russians, and what would the
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Russians got to do with it? They didn't care. They far as they're
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concerned that Hillary could have gotten in doesn't make any
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difference to them. But this is the beginning. That was the
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beginning of the Russia hoax. Momentum began with that notion
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that the Russian stoled emails from Hillary, right, it's not.
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And there's no evidence of it, they can't prove that it's just
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an assertion that the left wing media was and and PBS made. And
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they're sticking to it, because here we are, what, a decade
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later, and they're still saying it. I find that to be abhorrent
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in
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Adam Curry: a Mayport. Maybe there's another shoe to drop
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somewhere?
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John C Dvorak: I don't I don't think so. I think the reason
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they did this during this debate moment is so nobody notices that
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Assange has even been released. It's really been downplayed the
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Adam Curry: jet that he got on from what I gathered was sent by
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kim.com. He central that he's the prime know that. Yeah. And
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of course kim.com has all the documents, which now some of the
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Hillary emails seem to be missing from the WikiLeaks, sir.
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Well, they
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John C Dvorak: took him down. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was
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part of the deal. I think that was the unwritten part of the
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deal. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: it wasn't in the written deal. So it must have
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been part of it. Weird. Weird. Yeah. That
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John C Dvorak: of all those Hillary emails are gone. I just
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Adam Curry: can't help feeling but the timing? Yeah. I don't
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know. I don't know what I don't know. I want I don't know, I
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just said I don't know, you can ask, you know, but
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John C Dvorak: do you have any idea what it means? What do you
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think is it I think, any thoughts at
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Adam Curry: all? How something with Seth Rich, there's some
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remember that that, you know, there was a server, the DNC
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John C Dvorak: laptop that's that's never been released, that
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FBI took a while
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Adam Curry: and went to Ukraine to CrowdStrike. There's a lot of
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messiness in this messiness. And Lenski did just change out his
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top guy once again, maybe
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John C Dvorak: to put Assange in.
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Unknown: Final Report, Clinton said it helped lead to her
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defeat, he has to answer for what he has done, at least as
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it's been charged by 2019. The US Grand jury indicted Assange
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on 18 accounts, including espionage The Embassy evicted
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him and British authorities arrested him for bail violation
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of free speech Crusader to his allies a threat to national
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security to his critics. Assange will now be able to write a new
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chapter in Australia with his wife Stella
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I'll really believe it when I have him in front of me and and
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I can take him and hug him and and then it will be real, you
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know.
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Adam Curry: Now of course, this doesn't bode well for the media.
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In essence this was the by pleading guilty you know, you're
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saying well, you can't publish that that's what the whole
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document is filled with. Like this was top secret classified
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you can't publish kind of this. You can't do that. To Chris
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Cuomo. Remember? Remember Cuomo said you can't even watch that.
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Unknown: Right? Yeah, I
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Adam Curry: can't even read the documents.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, I remember that. I wish I could find that.
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I wish I could. Yeah, Cuomo is say you tell him which if you're
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a spook is true, which makes it even weirder. Yeah. See books.
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If you're working for this, we found this out from spooks. If
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you're a spook, you can't can't look at certain things that are
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actually in the public domain which has never made any sense
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to me and and no one's ever explained it fully.
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Adam Curry: Well, because you you you have to live by certain
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rules. I guess. I don't have the clip. I don't have like I wish I
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had that. 30 rules or what the rules of the of the Deep State
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man the rules of the you know, the kingdom.
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John C Dvorak: Can you ever think and funny thing? No, let's
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Adam Curry: not do it. I have one. Let me see if there's any
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any different slant from a democracy now. Morning. AMY
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GOODMAN flippin bound.
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Unknown: Well, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is home in
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Australia, a free man Assange his arrival in Australia, and
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more than 12 year legal ordeal after he published classified
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documents detailing US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Press Freedom groups have denounced successive US
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administrations for targeting Assange, who'd been facing 175
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years and US prison if he'd been extradited and convicted. 12
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years ago this month, Assange entered the Ecuadorian Embassy
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where he was given political asylum. He spent seven years
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there. He has spent the last five years locked up in the
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harsh Belmarsh prison in London Parsh. Earlier today, Julian
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Assange flew from London to the Pacific island of Saipan and
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Northern Mariana Islands, where he entered a US District Court
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and pled guilty to a single felony count of illegally
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obtaining and disclosing national security material. The
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judge Ramona Magalona sentenced him to the five years he'd
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already spent behind bars saying, quote, you will be able
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to walk out of this courtroom of free man, I hope there will be
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some peace restored. She said.
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Adam Curry: No, no, I don't see the media going. Hey, man,
23:16
that's offsides. We should we be able to publish what we want?
23:20
John C Dvorak: Oh, there's been some complaining but it's been
23:23
very minor. Yeah. And it's by by people like Tucker.
23:28
Adam Curry: You saw Tucker in Australia? That was amazing.
23:31
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Tucker in Australia. It's it's a long
23:33
clip. It's about 20 minutes of this one segment the question
23:38
and answers and people should look that up. It's on son, the
23:43
Twitter for sure. And he just goes after some of these people
23:47
that are the Australian journalists and it's, it's
23:51
almost like he's talking to a robot in one or two cases where
23:54
they insult some and tell it says they're stupid, and they
23:59
just keep asking dumb questions. Yeah, the damnedest thing I've
24:03
ever seen. I was trying to clip it, but I thought it was me.
24:06
Adam Curry: I even I actually pulled the clip, but it's three
24:09
minutes, you know, it's
24:12
John C Dvorak: tight enough, but, but he's at his best. He's,
24:15
and he's laughing it up. And he's, he's, he's been sent there
24:20
for some something.
24:22
Adam Curry: I presume he's there to interview Julian Assange.
24:25
John C Dvorak: That will that was what everybody thought. And
24:28
I'm sure he will use that. But yeah, but what is the point of
24:31
this thing that we witnessed on the on Twitter, this this
24:34
meeting of the journalist in Australia of him giving a
24:38
keynote or some sort of a speech and then insulting everybody?
24:42
Adam Curry: It was a little unclear to me if it was because
24:45
I think there are only a couple of Australian journalists there.
24:48
I because there was a lot of hooting and hollering and
24:50
clapping for him. So those weren't the journalists. I'm
24:53
sure. It was unclear exactly what that was.
24:57
John C Dvorak: It was unclear and I wish there was more
24:58
context that they just posted it.
25:00
Adam Curry: It's kind of nice to see the awakening of Tucker
25:02
though. And a little I always thought he was playing more dumb
25:07
when he was on Fox. You know that then he was letting on but
25:09
he really he really didn't know how bad it was. And to see this
25:14
awakening is fun, but you know, what does it do more than Yeah,
25:18
you're showing checker. It's not gonna change anything. Bunch of
25:21
people retweeting those, those good change. Majority of people
25:27
still look at the news and go, Oh, yeah, yep. Yep, that seems
25:31
about right. It does make the news in general doesn't make for
25:36
some some funny. I mean, that's, it helps our show a lot. Because
25:40
they are so stupid, though, is the So tonight, we have that guy
25:45
got a number of, of like, pre pre debate clips, just because
25:52
it's so I mean, it's so
25:57
Unknown: show businessy is very
26:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, can I imagine I mentioned something
26:02
here. And I do have one example. And maybe I'll play it after you
26:04
play your clips. There has been an inundation of produced clips,
26:12
pro Trump clips that are attacking Joe Biden. And I think
26:19
it's borderline sick the way they go after him. It is highly
26:24
entertaining. Hello. But it is. Unbelievably, I would say it has
26:32
to be categorized as sick.
26:37
Adam Curry: Give me an example of what is oh, I
26:39
John C Dvorak: don't know if I even do I have one. I think I
26:41
think I found one. But it's all kinds of stuff. They have just a
26:45
man on the street. There was a whole series of this one guy
26:49
here this will live in your life and they go from they just play
26:52
a million guy on the street. And everybody's pro Trump black,
26:56
white, Mexican, Chinese. And it just goes on and never ends. I'm
27:01
gonna see if I have
27:02
Adam Curry: viral clips. This is not on the mainstream media.
27:05
This just by Oh, no, these
27:06
John C Dvorak: are all viral clips. But they've all been very
27:08
well. They're very well structured. Here's a talk anti
27:13
Biden clip. This is what the typical. Okay, here we go. Look,
27:17
I'm
27:17
Unknown: not a young guy. That's no secret. But here's the deal.
27:21
I understand how to get these time for the illegal aliens. I
27:24
encourage the surge of illegals at the US border, I would in
27:27
fact make sure that there is we immediately surge to the border.
27:32
I got it done. You know how I know the border is wide open. I
27:35
sent my girl Kamala to take care of it. Do not come. Do not come.
27:42
I believe the job of the president is to fight for you
27:44
with foreign invaders, then that's what I'm doing. I'm a
27:47
complete dipshit and I approve this message.
27:55
Adam Curry: That was good. But I thought some of the stuff that
27:57
hit the mainstream was even better. First, let me let me
28:01
give you a little horse race. This is how it is for those of
28:04
you not in America. This is how it's presented. Biden
28:09
Unknown: Trump they both want your vote and both won a second
28:12
term. Now they make their case as they face each other. Watch
28:16
the CNN presidential debate simulcast live on ABC Thursday
28:21
night at 9am. Eastern.
28:22
Adam Curry: I mean, come by, like UFC. Where's Rogen? Get him
28:27
in there? Yeah, really? So Martin Short. Yeah. Who doesn't
28:31
know Martin Short. He's on ABC. And he makes a little Biden
28:35
joke. I
28:35
Unknown: Kyle, let me ask you this. Did you hear the news
28:39
about Starbucks? No, no. What's the news? Now this is
28:42
fascinating. Starbucks launched
28:44
a new energy drink today. It's called iced energy. And it's the
28:48
same amount of caffeine as six cans of Coke, and food. And it's
28:53
now available to every Starbucks. Just in time for Joe
28:56
Biden to shoot it up as asked me for the debate on Thursday.
29:02
Adam Curry: Come on. That's good one. Yeah, like that at all. CNN
29:06
took a little. I mean, the fact that they're discussing this is
29:09
what would just makes me smile.
29:11
Unknown: I think some of the rhetoric, Speaker Johnson, I
29:13
mean, just knowing you and how you conduct yourself using some
29:17
of the rhetoric is out of line when when people from Trump's
29:19
team are suggesting the Trump himself that Biden is going to
29:23
be on cocaine when he's on the debates.
29:27
John C Dvorak: There's a lot of things by the way, just as a
29:31
because I've heard the speeches that Trump did he was gonna get
29:34
a shot in the ass you know, and all this and he mentions cocaine
29:39
in there says I wonder what happened to all that cocaine in
29:42
the white but that's as far as he goes with it. Right? It's the
29:44
media that's picked up
29:46
Adam Curry: the cocaine me Why are they bringing it up? I mean,
29:49
they love
29:49
John C Dvorak: it because they're all coked up have him
29:51
themselves when he's
29:53
Unknown: on that debate stage Thursday night.
29:56
Look, there's a lot of things that are said in jest of course,
29:59
no one is spects that Joe Biden will be on cocaine, but they
30:02
they do.
30:05
Adam Curry: Now, of course, no one's sure he'd be on cocaine
30:07
like you already.
30:08
Unknown: They do ask questions. And I think they're, they're
30:10
objectively. I mean, I think it makes sense why people are
30:13
asking, Will it be on some sort of energy drinks or something?
30:16
Okay. Look, his energy levels you can see vary depending on
30:21
what format he's in and what forum and, you know, we expected
30:24
he'll do what he did at the State of the Union. He had a lot
30:26
of energy that night. So that's the Joe Biden, I expect to see
30:29
that the question is, can he stay for 90 minutes on that
30:32
stage and go toe to toe with, with President Trump, who is,
30:35
you know, goes to rallies and talks for two hours on end
30:37
without any break and any notes. So it'll be a very interesting
30:40
thing to see.
30:41
I mean, the allegations just about drugs have just been,
30:44
frankly, ridiculous and, obviously are baseless
30:48
Adam Curry: based obviously, obviously, basis. Why basis,
30:52
obviously baseless, it's got to be something going on. CNN
30:56
making a big deal about the technology. There's a lot of
31:00
tech going on here a lot of technology about these mic mutes
31:03
Yeah, this is something we've never ever done. Before I want
31:05
this, we got green buttons, we got make mute. Let's, let's do a
31:09
little let's do a little package on it.
31:10
Unknown: If we go behind the podiums, you can see two green
31:14
lights. When they're on they signal to the candidate, his
31:17
microphone is on. When the green lights are off, they signal to
31:20
the candidate his microphone is off. Now I want to give you a
31:23
sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if a
31:26
candidate who's microphone is off, interrupts a candidate
31:29
whose microphone is on. So I'm standing at one podium, and I'll
31:32
ask Phil to come in and take the other podium. And so let's say
31:35
I'm answering a question. My light is green, and I'm
31:38
speaking, Phil's microphone is off and his green lights are not
31:41
illuminated. He's going to interrupt me as I'm speaking and
31:44
this is what it will sound like this my volume remains constant
31:48
while Phil's interruption can be difficult to understand.
31:52
Let's try the opposite. My microphone is now on Victor's
31:55
microphone is off, and he's going to interrupt me. My volume
31:59
remains constant while Victor's interruption can be difficult to
32:02
understand. A Siemens production team has shared this
32:05
demonstration with the campaign's earlier today, and
32:07
we're sharing it with you, our viewers, so everyone fully
32:10
understands how tomorrow night will work. Now, we should know,
32:14
by agreeing to participate in this debate. Both campaigns and
32:17
candidates have also agreed to abide by these rules. Yes,
32:21
the rules. The rule. Isn't this now I
32:23
John C Dvorak: shouldn't have clipped the meme that was
32:26
created from that particular piece. Oh, I don't know if you
32:29
saw it. Probably not. But it's on Twitter. It's the station
32:33
does the exact same thing. But as the guy says the now when
32:35
he's his mic is off. And then you hear Biden is an idiot. And
32:40
he goes on and on. You can hear both sides. And it's just, it's,
32:43
it's, it's pretty funny. It's not, you know, but this again,
32:47
is part of a barrage of negative Biden, memes and virals. They're
32:55
out there. The end, there's not just one or two, there's, I'm
32:59
There must be hundreds of them. And there, most of them are
33:02
quite funny. And it's very aggressive. It's much. I'd say,
33:06
if you go back to 2015 2016 when Trump was running against
33:10
Hillary, and you had those few crazy ads that were running on
33:14
Facebook, the $100,000 worth of ads, supposedly that was going
33:18
to sway the election somehow. They're these are much more
33:22
aggressive. This is this is pretty funny.
33:26
Adam Curry: The format of the debate kind of is not a
33:30
throwback to like the 60s when they used to do that with it
33:33
would just there wasn't even an audience wasn't
33:36
John C Dvorak: Yes, Kennedy. Nixon
33:39
Adam Curry: was no audience. Yeah. And that turned out that
33:42
worked well for Kennedy. Yeah, because Nixon was sweating. Oh,
33:47
that's right. Well, and ultimately, that's what this is
33:49
about. We it's all about the ones. I mean, it's all about the
33:53
one soundbite. I mean, I still remember Reagan. He said, I
33:56
won't hold the senators age against him, because he's a much
34:03
younger man. You know, it's
34:04
John C Dvorak: like, inexperienced, inexperienced.
34:06
Adam Curry: That's right. It's all about the one single
34:09
soundbite. And
34:11
John C Dvorak: my favorite one is still I forgot who I think it
34:13
was, who was it was a vice presidential debate where the
34:15
guest says you're no John Kennedy, right? Well, I knew
34:18
John Kennedy. You're no jacket. The thing is, of course, I don't
34:21
remember who that particular candidate was because there's a
34:23
VP, but it was a good line.
34:25
Adam Curry: But then Biden actually use that line later and
34:28
said, Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy. Yeah. He used that in a
34:31
debate. Yeah,
34:31
John C Dvorak: he tried to plagiarize it, but he couldn't.
34:33
Well, that's all he does.
34:35
Adam Curry: He can't even plagiarize. Well. So, you know,
34:41
obviously Biden has has one obvious one, convicted felon,
34:46
Trump has unconvicted felon. Okay. You know, I think if Trump
34:51
is just calm, and
34:53
John C Dvorak: he, he just yeah, this is the main issue that I
34:57
think it can do it and maybe maybe not Sorry to say I don't
35:01
think it's gonna make a lot of difference one way or the other.
35:03
No, this
35:04
Adam Curry: is this is just UFC. This is just, I mean there's
35:08
debate parties there was getting together and yeah, I'm a friends
35:11
of mine. Oh, I'm on a boat but I got my starting so I can watch
35:14
the debate is debate night. Like,
35:17
John C Dvorak: okay yeah it's a course you're gonna watch it I'm
35:22
gonna watch it we're not gonna be able to resist. Yeah.
35:25
Adam Curry: I have some more in depth discussion about this from
35:29
MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell who brings in the illustrious a
35:33
Chuck Todd from the podcast. The Biden
35:35
Unknown: and the Trump campaigns are looking at tomorrow's debate
35:38
for a major opportunity to shake up a tight race possibly even
35:42
trip up their opponents and disease Chief Political Analyst
35:46
Chuck Todd arguing that Biden and Trump have more to lose than
35:49
gain from this first debate. And Chuck joins me now along with
35:53
USA Today's Washington bureau chief Susan Page. Great to have
35:57
the two of you. You've seen so many debates, hits and misses
36:01
chuck, chuck, what's what do they got to lose?
36:04
Adam Curry: Well, I will say this, we fall into this trap
36:06
before where we get so excited about a first confrontation.
36:08
Sometimes it's the first primary debate or first general election
36:11
debate. And then we always go wow, they didn't they didn't
36:13
really lay a glove on each other. They really were sort of
36:15
feeling each other out. And it's like, yeah, because Oh, that
36:18
would be horrible. If we don't have any, any anything to play
36:22
for suddenly, their operatives remind the candidates, hey,
36:25
there's a lot of people tuning into you guys for the very first
36:27
time you're making a first impression. And he and Well,
36:30
these guys have already made their first impressions.
36:32
Arguably, there's still somewhat of that. And I do think, you
36:36
know, six weeks ago, Biden really needed to do something to
36:39
shake up the race. What's interesting is that in the last
36:42
six weeks, I could argue both campaigns have gotten steadier.
36:46
Both campaigns feel better about their current state, and
36:50
operationally, both campaigns are in a better place than they
36:53
were six weeks ago. And so when you're entering a debate where
36:57
you're actually feeling like your path to victory is visible
37:00
to you, you're gonna be a little more risk averse and I just look
37:03
these are the I'm not saying Captain chaos won't show up.
37:07
Captain if you're coming from the perspective of the operators
37:11
I've talked to I think this firework even people think
37:16
John C Dvorak: operatives so the talking about well, the opposite
37:18
Luke's
37:18
Adam Curry: the operatives are Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.
37:21
Hello. Yeah,
37:22
John C Dvorak: I think they're part of the whole thing. But
37:24
yeah, I should mention that Lisa was put in the newsletter. Oh,
37:29
yeah. One of our producers dropped coach said, this is the
37:33
reason for the week long delay so they can do a new mask. Yep.
37:38
And create a new perfect mask because they can do the mat.
37:41
They do our masks out there. You can if you're,
37:43
Adam Curry: I'm all in on the masks. The masks are real. And
37:45
they work and they're very convincing. And they're
37:48
undetectable. I know from my own family's experience. And
37:52
John C Dvorak: you have so you have a new guy, a new actor and
37:55
a Biden mask with the Polish teeth and they're gay sounds a
38:00
lot like Biden, but he may or may not be Biden. I think voice
38:05
a voice record would be good to do a voice graph and see what
38:08
happens
38:08
Adam Curry: but who's the crackpot here. And
38:11
John C Dvorak: so and so the idea is, is which like you said,
38:14
this is not an technology that's not unknown. So you have an
38:18
actor and he it takes a week for him to memorize because they
38:21
have the questions. They're already seeing it as a question
38:24
to the deviously the Biden campaign so they can say oh,
38:28
here's the questions and here's the answers and they had to
38:30
practice gonna take a week of acting for this phony baloney
38:34
Biden to to to actually present well and and the reason they put
38:41
the end they have the two candidates, especially long
38:45
distance away this now I am a little crack party on this part
38:48
a long distance away because Trump won't be able to see him
38:51
close enough to identify a mask even
38:54
Adam Curry: doable or to to jam the
38:58
John C Dvorak: ram with a pocket jammer i i have a I had one of
39:03
these I don't know where this thing went but it's in your
39:06
pocket jam or you can put in your pocket and I tested it when
39:10
I was at MVNO with a couple of the guys there I said make a
39:13
phone call see if you can get a connection and this got a
39:15
connection I reached over my my breast pocket and just pushed
39:20
the button and started this thing not to call right off the
39:22
line instantly all bandwidth pocket jammer ma'am a gentle
39:26
band pocket jammer so you have a jammer. You can jam but it's
39:30
only good for about four or five feet. So you move by one way or
39:35
the other side end and might also interfere with the mics.
39:39
Well, if you're using wireless mics, it will interfere with the
39:43
mics if it's not wireless, it shouldn't make a difference, but
39:47
it would interfere with any ear wig or any little device that
39:50
was put in Biden's ear.
39:52
Adam Curry: The bottom line is I mean, okay, fine. I don't care
39:55
if it's Biden or someone in a mask who has an earwig Trump has
40:00
As the natural style he he can. Peace. He's still quick on his
40:07
feet. Yeah, just because it won't be Biden going hobbling
40:10
ahead and falling down doesn't mean that. But
40:14
John C Dvorak: that's what I want to see. Well,
40:15
Adam Curry: exactly. That's what we that's what we really want.
40:19
We
40:20
John C Dvorak: want to real Biden we want him stumbling and
40:22
mumbling and saying weird words and nobody can understand and
40:26
maybe passing out. I mean that would be the best but that's not
40:29
going to happen if you're going to have a guy in a mask, okay?
40:32
Adam Curry: It's really it doesn't matter. The whole thing
40:35
doesn't matter. The debate doesn't matter. What matters is
40:38
Jake Tapper's record, former
40:39
Unknown: President Donald Trump in an interview earlier today
40:42
was given a chance to clear up any confusion about his Hitler
40:47
echoing comments, in which you said this is some classics from
40:50
2020 that immigrants from South America, Africa and Asia. Now
40:54
Europe to South America, Africa and Asia are, quote, poisoning
40:58
the blood of our country. The dehumanizing rhetoric of Adolf
41:02
Hitler is once again alive and well on a national political
41:06
stage. If you were to open up a copy of Hitler's mind calm, you
41:11
would find the Nazi leader describing the mixing of non
41:14
Germans with George Germans as poisoning. The Jew, Hitler
41:18
wrote, quote, poisons the blood of others, there's really no
41:22
other way to say it. Donald Trump's language mirrors this
41:25
directly this
41:26
Adam Curry: he's Adolf Hitler, I want to go back to Andrea
41:29
Mitchell with the USA Today lady who was on with with Chuck and
41:33
Unknown: it was high risk, high reward for Joe Biden, because
41:37
the exposure without a teleprompter on a stage for 90
41:40
minutes, you know, he could falter and any single moment
41:44
could be could go viral, especially the way even it isn't
41:48
moments not not damaged and damaging moments like the g7 or,
41:55
you know, faked and edited out of context,
41:58
you know, they've not only had the impression made their second
42:01
and third and fourth impressions, they're all made
42:03
their images, their views, the views of voters to that each of
42:06
these candidates is set in political concrete. So the risks
42:09
now I think is less to like make an impression you've never made
42:13
before. More that the other guy or you make some kind of error.
42:16
That thing gets repeated over and over and over again, on
42:20
cable TV and on social media. And that that becomes the image
42:23
that people remember.
42:24
Adam Curry: Yeah, but that won't change anybody's vote. No one's
42:27
going to switch because of this debate. Everyone's dug their
42:30
heels in and
42:31
John C Dvorak: I'm in total agreement this is
42:35
Adam Curry: are they having ads are they gonna roll ads on this
42:37
thing?
42:38
John C Dvorak: One I asked the same question last show yeah, I
42:41
Adam Curry: want to know what one ad one ad who's it going to
42:44
be? Who's the one ad going to be have a coke and a smile?
42:47
John C Dvorak: What's it going to probably be a drug company
42:49
come
42:49
Adam Curry: on. Pfizer. Hey, well, the prop bets the prop
42:53
bets mine to profits are funny.
42:56
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we have
42:59
Adam Curry: who's first answer during the debate will be longer
43:03
debate winner as proposed first to mispronounced a politician's
43:06
name. Though here's the match bet democracy versus border.
43:12
Well, Joe is obviously going to go after democracy. Slogans
43:18
Magga. Republicans versus save America. They hate our country,
43:23
Black Lives Matter. First Wives mentioned Jill versus Melania.
43:32
Favorites Melania. To be mentored and mentioned. Hi,
43:35
favorite there? Nothing about first candidates suggests the
43:41
other is on drugs. Okay.
43:45
John C Dvorak: That'll be good. I
43:46
Adam Curry: think about the first I wonder who the who the
43:48
who? The. Yeah, probably what probably Pfizer
43:54
Unknown: will make now.
43:57
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's a couple of interesting things
43:59
there. Which is the fact that they would continue to promote
44:02
the idea that that that video of Biden turning around and yes,
44:07
heading in the wrong direction is is fake? Yeah, that's
44:10
interesting is really beyond me. I mean, you can even watch if
44:14
you watch the extended version, the whole video where Biden at
44:17
the end slowly puts his sunglasses on, which is the in
44:22
slow motion. Yeah. It's like, this is not why it keeps saying
44:27
this is fake. When it's not clearly not fake. I don't get
44:30
that. We
44:31
Adam Curry: know that we know that because that's how it needs
44:33
to be used. So you can just if you keep repeating that they can
44:36
always say if something that's clearly true, it was fake. Well,
44:41
John C Dvorak: this is similar to the other mainstream media, I
44:45
have to call them a meme, if anything about the fact that the
44:49
Russians stole these Hillary Clinton emails. I mean, the
44:53
whole idea is really besides it's really it is complicit.
45:00
It's corrupt. It had
45:02
Adam Curry: terrible people keep watching it. That's the crazy
45:05
sales day
45:06
John C Dvorak: watch it, but yes they do. Here's because they're
45:09
they they're bored. They watch television. Now they watch clips
45:12
Adam Curry: online. Nobody watches television. The numbers
45:14
show it. They watch clips clips of stuff online. This is a CNN,
45:21
Casey hunt. And she has Trump's press secretary.
45:25
John C Dvorak: Oh, this is?
45:26
Adam Curry: No I didn't even know we had a press secretary.
45:29
Caroline leave it was she's
45:31
John C Dvorak: one of the campaign segra Yes, she's Casey
45:35
Hunt is one of the worst presenters on no KCC hunt by the
45:40
way. No,
45:41
Adam Curry: please. It is not it is.
45:43
John C Dvorak: You check it out.
45:45
Adam Curry: Hold on a second. I don't believe that for a second.
45:53
does not say that. No, does not say that she was born. It's
45:58
Casey s hunt. Good try. Good. Good. Try to vorak it's it's so
46:04
it takes someone five minutes to Google Jake Tapper. Donald Trump
46:07
to see that Jake Tapper has consistent offers. You're gonna
46:11
filter. Ma'am, I'm going to style Ma'am, are you if I'm
46:14
stating to attack my
46:16
Unknown: colleagues, I would like to talk about Donald Trump,
46:19
who you work for? Yes. If you are here to speak on his behalf.
46:22
And I want you to have this conversation. I am stating facts
46:26
that your colleagues have stated in the past now. I'm sorry.
46:29
We're gonna come back to Caroline, they have your time.
46:32
You are welcome to come back at any point she is welcome to come
46:36
back and speak about Donald Trump and Donald Trump will have
46:39
equal time to Joe Biden when they both Join us now, at next
46:44
Burley later this week in Atlanta for this
46:48
Adam Curry: schoolmarm? Well, you you, ma'am, ma'am, who calls
46:53
anyone Ma'am? Ma'am, ma'am, if you don't say bad things about
46:57
my colleagues, I'm going to cut you off, ma'am. Please. I'm glad
47:01
I don't have to get these clips myself. That'd be too painful.
47:04
Here's how. Here's how
47:05
John C Dvorak: I saw that the number of did kept playing Fox
47:08
using that as like a punching bag.
47:10
Adam Curry: Of course. Let's let's go and see how France 24
47:14
handles the preparations for the historic US presidential
47:18
debates.
47:19
Unknown: The question is to avoid scenes like this in 2020.
47:23
Would you listen who is on your list, Joe Biden and Donald Trump
47:27
have agreed to a new set of rules for that 2024 TV rematch.
47:32
We have ended the segment each candidate's microphone will be
47:34
muted for the first debate of the campaign. Except when it's
47:38
his turn to speak post CNN said that during the 90 Minute face
47:42
off, there will also be no live audience. podium positions and
47:46
the order of closing statements will be determined by a coin
47:49
flip. And candidates will not be allowed to notes or props, but
47:53
will be given a pen and a pad of paper. After lobbying from both
47:57
candidates. The TV event is taking place months earlier than
48:00
usual. It will also be the first debate either candidate has
48:04
participated in in this campaign season as Biden run largely
48:08
unopposed. And Trump's skip the Republican primary debates. So
48:13
you have two men that have not debated in four years. So you've
48:18
got two guys don't like each other haven't seen each other.
48:22
pretty rusty heading into the biggest night of their lives.
48:26
About
48:26
six in 10. American adults say they're likely to watch the
48:30
debate life or in clips, or read about the performance of the
48:33
candidates in the news or social media.
48:36
Adam Curry: Yeah, the background of all this when Reagan he gave
48:42
his farewell speech, I think January 9, January 11. Actually
48:46
1989. So just before the 90 said, is that right? Is that
48:51
right to sound right at night? That was right. Yeah. So I was
48:56
reading his whole speech. I just pulled a little piece just to
48:58
show you the contrast from when I was on MTV, you know, of
49:02
course, I wasn't paying any attention to any of this. I
49:04
wasn't paid on MTV school councils or, you know, school
49:09
board or council meetings that were caused those losers of
49:12
course, no, because my I will. Mia culpa my generation.
49:17
Literally let a lot of this stuff happened because we are
49:19
too busy. Yeah, I was on MTV, who cares? I'm having a good
49:22
time. So he was the part of Reagan and of course, there was
49:26
a presidential debate that night, who would have been
49:28
debating that night? That would have been Bush and Gore and
49:33
gore. So he says, I've spoken of the shining city all my
49:37
political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated
49:41
what I saw when I said it. But in my mind, it was a tall, proud
49:44
city built on rock stronger than oceans, windswept, God blessed
49:49
and teaming with people of all kinds living in harmony and
49:52
peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and
49:56
creativity. As you know, there's a presidential debate tonight
49:59
held praying, but I won't be praying for a political party or
50:02
a man, I'll be asking God to give his favor to the man who
50:06
can best lead us in rediscovering who we are as a
50:08
nation. I'll ask God to give favor to the man who believes
50:12
most in We the People. And all I asked for is his grace on He who
50:16
knows believes most in the city on the hill. Dude, we are far
50:21
from that.
50:23
John C Dvorak: Times change.
50:25
Unknown: Not better.
50:28
John C Dvorak: Not necessary? Well, depends on your sense of
50:30
humor. Now, let's say they going back to their notion that
50:34
they're going to have these pads and ink and a pen and pen and a
50:38
pad on their desk. Yes, that's all they got. Now, if I was
50:41
coaching and I, again, thinking in terms of sense of humor, I
50:47
think that that Trump because he's going to have his mic cut
50:50
off, should write in with the pen in big letters. He's, he's
50:55
shit. And hold it up. When Biden's talking,
51:03
Adam Curry: I'll give you $1. If he does that, that would be
51:06
pretty funny.
51:07
John C Dvorak: It would be great if he did that, because it would
51:09
be like it would get nothing but attention. And it would they
51:13
wouldn't update me beside themselves. What are you going
51:15
to do?
51:18
Adam Curry: Nothing. I want to I want to move on, but I'll keep
51:21
it related as I moved to the Supreme Court. This is very,
51:25
very interesting. What's what's happening effect I have a the
51:30
Supreme Court is about to end their session. So you know,
51:33
they're trying to wrap everything up real quick.
51:36
John C Dvorak: Go on vacation, basically. Yeah, it's
51:38
Adam Curry: vague. It's called vacation but they call ending
51:41
the session. And let me see where's the where's the SCOTUS
51:45
clip here?
51:48
Unknown: Yes, this one I think tonight Special Counsel Jack
51:51
Smith firing back again. This
51:52
Adam Curry: is not Supreme Court. But it's the documents
51:54
case. It's Donald Trump's claims
51:55
Unknown: FBI agents tampered with boxes, allegedly containing
51:59
classified material discovered when they searched his Mar a
52:02
Lago estate in a new court filing prosecutors with their
52:06
most detailed description yet of how Trump allegedly personally
52:10
chose to keep documents containing some of the nation's
52:12
most highly guarded secrets among a cluttered collection of
52:16
keepsakes including newspapers. thank you notes, Christmas
52:20
ornaments, magazines, clothing, and photographs of himself and
52:24
others of Trump's lawyers claimed prosecutors have not
52:27
preserved the boxes in the exact manner in which they were found
52:30
insisting they were manipulated. Prosecutors say that's just not
52:34
true, saying the haphazard manner in which the boxes were
52:38
packed and stored by Trump made it inevitable that the contents
52:41
inside would shift. They blasted Trump's claims as the latest
52:46
unfounded accusations against law enforcement professionals
52:49
doing their jobs. The case now delayed indefinitely. As Judge
52:53
Eileen cannon holds multiple hearings on a wide array of
52:56
motions. She has yet to rule on many of them causing unusual
53:00
months long delays. And David there was news tonight in an
53:04
unrelated case, the Manhattan hush money trial. Oh,
53:07
Adam Curry: sorry. I did that didn't mean for that to be in
53:09
there. So yesterday. Yesterday. Yeah, I think it was yesterday.
53:15
Yeah. All of a sudden the, you know, the, the women of
53:20
Fredericksburg text message starts blowing up. Rip First
53:23
Amendment. We're done. Supreme Court kills First Amendment
53:26
done. It's all over no more free speech. What happened? What
53:30
happened? You know, I doubt the Supreme Court struck it out of
53:35
the amendments. I mean, what happened? Well, this is what
53:38
happened and I have an analysis
53:40
Unknown: today the Supreme Court ruled against limiting how the
53:43
White House contacts social media companies, it's a win for
53:46
the Biden administration that argued it should be able to
53:49
contact companies to address misinformation especially
53:52
related to public health and election integrity. And a six to
53:56
three decision. The justices throughout the case on standing
53:59
meaning those who brought the case didn't have legal standing.
54:03
Justice Barrett, writing the opinion saying we lacked
54:05
jurisdiction to reach the merits of the dispute, Justice Alito
54:09
dissenting, saying this is one of the most important free
54:12
speech cases to reach this court in years. This all comes as the
54:16
Supreme Court hands down its final decisions of the term, one
54:20
of the biggest cases of the year Donald Trump's immunity claim,
54:23
so
54:24
Adam Curry: I'll stop there. So this is the Missouri versus
54:28
Biden case. I think actually changed names later on. This is
54:31
how the both Trump but also the Biden administration threatened
54:38
social media companies to D platform people to censor COVID
54:41
misinformation and disinformation. And I'm really
54:44
disappointed especially in Amy Coney Barrett, they you know,
54:48
they they kind of punted on this and said, Well, you know, you
54:51
don't have standing in this, which is kind of a kind of a cop
54:56
chicken shit they do it is so the mature already, that's what
55:00
they did for the majority rule under the Constitution, courts
55:03
lacked jurisdiction to hear cases brought by people who
55:06
lacked standing. Now it was even more interesting, because when
55:10
it comes to injunctive relief, a person cannot establish standing
55:12
unless he can show a danger of future harm. This is because an
55:17
injunction doesn't remedy past harm. And so what they're in
55:21
effect saying is that you can't prove that you plaintiff will be
55:27
harmed in the future by this, and the social media companies
55:31
were already moderating content. So the fact that the government
55:36
came into that didn't mean that it was something new. So it's a
55:40
very disappointing ruling, I think that they, you know,
55:46
because the government does have a scepter. You know, they do
55:50
have section 230. They've got, you know, antitrust, all kinds
55:56
of things they can do to the social media companies. So it
56:00
will now go back to the district court, plaintiffs can pursue an
56:04
injunction. We'll see if that if anything becomes of that, but
56:08
seems like you know, and by the way, if you think that you have
56:13
a freedom of speech on social media, please, please, there's
56:18
no way you should never expect that there. They also ruled on
56:23
the Sacklers, which was interesting. Now, the Sackler is
56:27
of course the family who owns Purdue Pharma. And the Supreme
56:31
Court has now said, you know, what, the Sackler family cannot
56:35
escape liability. through Purdue Pharma has oxy fueled
56:39
bankruptcy. So they are back on the hook. That could be
56:44
John C Dvorak: that could be fun to watch. That will go on for
56:47
the Sacklers. Well, no, I'm
56:49
Adam Curry: not related. And finally, Chevron deference. We
56:53
were hoping for a decision today. Nearly Friday, we Yes, we
57:00
may get it Friday, we don't know. But there is there are
57:03
high hopes that that Chevron deference decision will be in
57:08
favor of taking away the power from the agencies.
57:11
John C Dvorak: But this so I got into Congress that was gonna say
57:14
this would be perfect.
57:15
Adam Curry: To have that decision tomorrow when
57:17
everyone's doing the memes and and post debate analysis.
57:22
John C Dvorak: That's probably the time to do it. Yeah. I got
57:25
into it. There's this one pressure group that has been
57:31
pressuring you and pressuring you? Well, I get, I get, you
57:35
know, there's just press releases. And I called them up
57:39
and I said, I did this on background. I told them I wow,
57:42
okay.
57:42
Adam Curry: Background, do you? What do you deep state? Yeah.
57:46
John C Dvorak: And so that's me. So but no, I just want to hear
57:50
the pitch. And so what is the pitch about not killing Chevron
57:55
deference. And so this girl calls me up, and she gives me
57:58
the pitch is, and it goes on forever. And it's totally a
58:01
script. And I shot back at her after she was done talking,
58:07
which took about 20 minutes.
58:09
Adam Curry: This is recent, this past week yesterday. Oh, okay.
58:12
And so
58:14
John C Dvorak: I said, Well, you know, I worked for one of these
58:17
agencies, pre Chevron deference and everything you say is not
58:20
true. This and that. And she did. I just had a list of stuff
58:23
I was writing down she said, This is what's going to happen.
58:27
And I said, it didn't happen before. Why would it happen now?
58:30
And I went on and I really got mad at her.
58:33
Adam Curry: Record your side.
58:35
John C Dvorak: I didn't record any of his background. I'm just
58:37
telling you the story. Okay. And so but but she would not relent.
58:44
And I told her that she all she has I said take a look at this.
58:48
What's been going on since Chevron deference has been a
58:50
consolidation This was to be a big anti Corporation operation
58:55
that's right pushing this so what's been going on since
58:57
Chevron deference to corporations have been getting
59:00
bigger and bigger and they've been consolidating in the media
59:03
and elsewhere it's just all it's it's gone in the exact opposite
59:06
direction that you expected to go in. But this is what you're
59:09
still pushing show it to happens even more. And then she pushes a
59:13
J appall build as calling out that's called your race.
59:18
Adam Curry: Did she call you a racist at any point? No, she
59:21
John C Dvorak: but she says Jay Paul's got this assembly bill
59:23
that which is going to put Chevron deference into law
59:27
words. And I said all this is doing is playing into the hands
59:30
of the big corporations, you're just a stooge and you're reading
59:32
a script that may as well have been written by the big
59:35
corporations who are you kidding? And she was very not
59:39
happy with me but at the same time, we didn't she didn't cuss
59:42
me out or anything but this is what's going on. Is this
59:44
Adam Curry: how you talk to girls is this what you're doing
59:46
now? This is not the way to go? JCD
59:49
John C Dvorak: wasn't looking for a date. Anyway, so but this
59:55
this pressure groups are out there and I you know, you can
59:57
talk to them and see what they have to say and you I know this
1:00:00
is terrible what they're up to. They don't know what they're
1:00:03
doing. I said, Did you ever work for an enforcement agency or a
1:00:08
Ministry of State Agency? Well, I was an intern at the FAA was
1:00:15
an internet, the FCC. I said, what you should notice anything
1:00:19
that you integrate, I said, I said, all these agencies are
1:00:23
been been captured. And she actually admitted that she saw
1:00:27
capture going on. There's
1:00:29
Unknown: capture going on here. There's capture everywhere.
1:00:33
Yeah.
1:00:34
John C Dvorak: Well, I'll Oh, this, this Chevron deference
1:00:37
thing. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
1:00:39
Adam Curry: I mean, I'll let him slide on. On the Missouri versus
1:00:43
Biden, if they do Chevron deference, by the way, a lot of
1:00:46
people are very skeptical. It's like, oh, then the just the
1:00:48
courts will do it in the courts. And then the courts suck to win.
1:00:51
Everything's No,
1:00:52
John C Dvorak: this is what I got into the argument about with
1:00:54
her, because she said the same thing, or the courts are going
1:00:57
to be this. That's bullcrap. When I was working, and it's
1:01:00
almost a decade with, with the air pollution district, we had
1:01:03
to we had to go to court quite more than once I went to the
1:01:06
court and gave testimony and got pretty good at it about certain
1:01:11
things, but somebody really got bent out of shape about the way
1:01:14
it was being enforced. They take it to a judge. And okay, well,
1:01:17
we can deal with that we'd always when that didn't never
1:01:20
saw it was a problem. And it didn't happen that often. It
1:01:23
wasn't like daily. So I mean, this whole thing is bold crap.
1:01:27
You Chevron deference has got to go. Have you seen
1:01:29
Adam Curry: some of these candidates for judges that have
1:01:32
been going through Senate confirmation hearings? It's
1:01:35
amazing.
1:01:37
John C Dvorak: You gotta get Trump back in there. Because
1:01:38
these these people they're putting in are terrible. They
1:01:41
Adam Curry: really are like, Yeah, you know, the guy
1:01:44
sodomized a four year old game a couple of years, you know, poor
1:01:48
guy. Clearly it was poor guy. Poor guy. What? Yeah, yeah, how
1:01:52
far we've fallen. I want to go back to some cheap fakes. I got
1:01:57
some AI stuff, which deserves discussion,
1:02:00
Unknown: I want to make a bit of a turn in our conversation to
1:02:02
something that we've been wanting to talk about on the
1:02:04
show for a little bit and a little bit just to be totally
1:02:07
transparent, trying to figure out how to do it. And when I say
1:02:10
it, it is a lot of memes. And what the White House is calling
1:02:16
cheap fakes. Which means Oh,
1:02:18
Adam Curry: whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not true.
1:02:21
According to jurien, the media made that up, not the White
1:02:25
House, get your story straight, Dana IIMs.
1:02:28
Unknown: And what the White House is calling cheap fakes.
1:02:31
Which means that these are there are videos that are being put
1:02:35
out on social media and then amplified on conservative media,
1:02:39
that in some cases are just not right. And in other cases are
1:02:42
highlighted, right. It's not right of President Biden. And I
1:02:49
don't want to go, I don't want to let a day go by where I can
1:02:54
read a tweet from Barbra Streisand on the show. So I'm
1:02:57
gonna do it.
1:02:59
Adam Curry: And she said, why did why would everyone all get
1:03:03
Oh, get GT over reading a tweet from Barbra Streisand. I would
1:03:08
never pass that opportunity up, go
1:03:11
Unknown: by where I can read a tweet from Barbra Streisand on
1:03:14
the show. So I'm gonna do it. She said, We must stay vigilant
1:03:20
to the ongoing and pervasive spread of misinformation, maybe
1:03:23
now more than usual, in the lead up to the presidential election.
1:03:27
And her argument was, Don't amplify it. It is interesting,
1:03:31
given the fact that there she there was a famous case, where
1:03:34
somebody took a picture of her house in Malibu, and she seemed
1:03:38
to not have that shown. And then it turned out that people
1:03:42
started looking at the picture more than before. So it's, it's
1:03:45
the question that I started this conversation with is how much to
1:03:48
talk about it, versus how much to just kind of ignore it. And
1:03:52
we're trying to kind of do both here. So
1:03:54
Adam Curry: I thought that was interesting, because here we
1:03:55
have the media, of course, playing ball for, for the
1:04:00
Democrats and for, for Biden, saying, you know, you know, what
1:04:05
I'm hearing is, you know, jurien, you should kind of calm
1:04:09
down a little bit with the cheap fakes. Because, you know,
1:04:11
obviously, we all know that that was real. And now you're
1:04:14
creating a Streisand effect, where people are now going and
1:04:17
seeking it out and looking for it and copying it and retweeting
1:04:21
and it's hurting our man, you
1:04:22
Unknown: have a 78 year old and an 82, I rolled 81 year old. And
1:04:28
we have lots of examples of both of them. Maybe Trump's aren't
1:04:32
played as much, but both of them appearing to to use your words,
1:04:35
lose a step. That's one thing. The other thing is to take
1:04:38
something that actually happened, and make it look worse
1:04:41
than it is. And listen, the Trump campaign is going to do
1:04:45
this and voters are going to see it. They're going to imbibe this
1:04:50
and not necessarily know that it's a it's a real, stupid Biden
1:04:54
team trying to counteract this, but I think the problem is to
1:04:58
the Streisand example, in fact, Checking it, do you amplify it?
1:05:01
Right? Right Thing? Is this the thing that you're talking about?
1:05:05
And then you go see it.
1:05:06
So it's a real problem. But
1:05:07
I think at the core there is this problem with both of these
1:05:10
candidates in terms of age and perception. Yeah, okay,
1:05:12
fine.
1:05:12
John C Dvorak: So before you go, before you go on, didn't
1:05:18
Streisand? She's talking about misinformation. Streisand is
1:05:21
right. Yes. Didn't she say she was going to leave the country
1:05:25
in 2016 If Trump got elected, that
1:05:27
Adam Curry: was aI man, she never said that. That was a
1:05:29
cheap fake. She
1:05:30
John C Dvorak: did say it then she didn't leave the country. So
1:05:33
is that misinformation to it? As she said, She's full of it.
1:05:37
Adam Curry: I wonder if we do we have Streisand sang she's gonna
1:05:41
leave.
1:05:43
John C Dvorak: It'd be hard to find it'd be hard to categorize.
1:05:46
Adam Curry: There would be Streisand leaving. Everybody was
1:05:50
leaving. Even Miley Cyrus was leaving. Well, they're
1:05:53
John C Dvorak: all leaving
1:05:53
Adam Curry: nobody left. Yeah, exactly. So there's some
1:05:58
interesting developments and also we've got a lot of boots on
1:06:01
the ground regarding AI. How is invidious so holding up the
1:06:07
whole stock market? I didn't get a chance to listen to DHL plug
1:06:11
is still the biggest company in the world with $3 trillion.
1:06:14
John C Dvorak: They would that was only a moment to know Oh,
1:06:16
no. They they they slid they slipped number two now number
1:06:20
two but is there right there? They're right there there any
1:06:23
other 10 points so they'll be on top again on the
1:06:26
Adam Curry: cost? Well, NBC went to talk to tech titan Sam
1:06:31
Altman, who is amazing. This guy can talk for hours and say
1:06:35
absolutely nothing. It's it is an IT skill. Well, it is
1:06:41
Unknown: a Silicon Valley skill out of a gathering here in
1:06:43
Colorado, the Aspen Ideas Festival.
1:06:47
Adam Curry: Where's my invites to the Aspen Ideas Festival.
1:06:50
Today
1:06:50
Unknown: I sat down with two of the biggest names in the world
1:06:53
is Foo Fighters playing technology and business. Sam
1:06:57
Altman, CEO of open AI and his ally and friend Brian Chesky,
1:07:01
CEO of Airbnb, to talk about the promise and the risks of
1:07:05
artificial intelligence. Open AI has stunned people with its
1:07:09
capabilities like video creation from simple text prompts
1:07:13
Adam Curry: hook where did this guy come from? you've ever heard
1:07:16
this guy on NBC? What a voice Hey, open AI has stood and
1:07:21
everybody to
1:07:23
John C Dvorak: 55 psi smoking Marlboros.
1:07:26
Unknown: AI has stunned people with its capabilities, like
1:07:30
maybe an AI voice. Now they think about video creation from
1:07:33
simple text prompts with omens,
1:07:36
John C Dvorak: like Lester Holt, then it is less enjoyed. It's
1:07:40
less the adult
1:07:42
Unknown: students for his company go much further
1:07:44
comparing it to the Manhattan Project Development of the
1:07:47
atomic bomb. Was that helpful for you as you try to make your
1:07:51
case?
1:07:53
I mean, we try to give a number of historical analogies because
1:07:59
we think it is important. So we can say there were some things
1:08:02
about the Manhattan projects that are like what we're doing.
1:08:03
Now, there's some things about the Apollo program. There's some
1:08:06
things about the
1:08:06
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Just for context. Could you buy
1:08:10
grandiose? Well, this is this is the whole pitch. This is the
1:08:14
whole idea. You can only trust us. You can't trust anyone else.
1:08:17
It's so big, so fast. By the way, it needs government
1:08:21
involvement as the Manhattan Project. Could you just give us
1:08:24
a quick background on the Manhattan Project?
1:08:28
John C Dvorak: Of the Manhattan Project, which was basically
1:08:31
created entire city in the middle of nowhere and down in
1:08:36
the desert, the Oppenheimer movie, and up it Yeah, the
1:08:40
Oppenheimer movie describes it pretty well. Yeah, just go
1:08:43
watch. That
1:08:44
Unknown: is because we think it is important. So we can say
1:08:47
there were some things about the Manhattan projects that are like
1:08:49
what we're doing. Now, there's some things about like, what
1:08:52
program there's nothing,
1:08:53
Adam Curry: there's nothing like the Manhattan project that we're
1:08:55
doing now. Nothing, no one's going to die. And in no way was
1:09:00
the Manhattan Project worth $3 trillion
1:09:02
Unknown: is important. So we can say there were some things about
1:09:05
the Manhattan projects that are like what we're doing. Now,
1:09:07
there's some things about the Apollo program. There's some
1:09:09
things about the iPhone. But what I think is important is to
1:09:12
say, the iPhone, the parts where we can look to historical
1:09:16
analogy, and here are the parts where we can't, okay, here it
1:09:19
comes standby and the shape of this technology and kind of the
1:09:23
decisions and the impact. It is fundamentally a little bit
1:09:26
different than anything. I think it's different than the
1:09:28
Manhattan Project. It's not a race is not going to be done in
1:09:31
secret. I think nations can collaborate together and there
1:09:35
could be a transnational kind of group or body that could really
1:09:39
kind of align to make sure we're all on the same page. We think
1:09:42
that's super important to get to get some sort of
1:09:44
freeway stop.
1:09:47
John C Dvorak: Was that the Airbnb yakking away there? as
1:09:51
well? She got to do with anything. Oh,
1:09:53
Adam Curry: he's a tech titan and he's at the festival. Hello.
1:09:56
Hey, I've got a gig today with Sam at the tech Titans.
1:10:00
festival, oh my God
1:10:01
Unknown: together and there could be a transnational kind of
1:10:04
group or body that could really kind of align to make sure we're
1:10:07
all on the same page. We think that's super important to get a
1:10:12
global framework and cooperation by
1:10:14
John C Dvorak: the way, stop, stop, stop a guy hate that.
1:10:16
Adam Curry: I'm almost done. But I'll stop. I'll stop. But
1:10:19
John C Dvorak: this isn't the classic Silicon Valley phrase.
1:10:23
Super important.
1:10:24
Adam Curry: It's not just important. It's not important,
1:10:27
or
1:10:27
John C Dvorak: super important because that's a that's a high
1:10:31
end Silicon Valley phrase, believe me.
1:10:33
Adam Curry: No, I know. I've been around it. You heard it.
1:10:36
You know, it was also super important. juiced. Remember that
1:10:39
juiced? Yeah, J O S juice. Yeah, juice juice. Those guys. Yeah,
1:10:44
you know, as created by the guys who created Skype, super
1:10:48
important, super important. This is all we changed pod show to me
1:10:54
vo to video because of juiced and because Kleiner Perkins
1:10:58
forced us to do it. That's the That's the truth. Is that right?
1:11:03
Yes. There was that woman's name. So you had pod show, which
1:11:07
John C Dvorak: was the original operation? I think that's when I
1:11:10
went to work for you.
1:11:11
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're still poncho. Yes. You are
1:11:14
my man. I hired you. You are my hire.
1:11:17
John C Dvorak: Well, I soldier on me.
1:11:19
Adam Curry: You bet you buffaloed me?
1:11:21
John C Dvorak: I did. I took you did I took you to lunch it
1:11:25
Adam Curry: bring God I paid for it. This is the worst.
1:11:28
John C Dvorak: And I sold you did by the way. People always
1:11:31
talk about you know, all these get jobs do this and that. And
1:11:34
the way you do it is with interpersonal sales. And you
1:11:40
learn about podcasting because what was going on at the time
1:11:42
2006 2007. And so I had to get it. I had to figure it out. But
1:11:49
the way you learn is by doing as opposed to just you know,
1:11:52
screwing around. So I sold you on hiring me. And it was pretty
1:11:58
it was an a it wasn't that hard to do. Well, you're you're a
1:12:01
soft touch. But to
1:12:03
Adam Curry: be fair, you were a couple of glasses of wine helps.
1:12:05
Yeah, you are the poncho dei hire. So yeah. Oh, luck. It all
1:12:11
worked out me. Nations
1:12:13
Unknown: can collaborate together. And there could be a
1:12:15
transnational kind of group or body that could really kind of
1:12:19
aligned to make sure we're all on the same page. We think
1:12:21
that's super important to get to get some sort of global
1:12:25
framework and cooperation. We're really gonna need that.
1:12:30
Adam Curry: We need to write the Silicon Valley bullcrap
1:12:33
dictionary. Of all these terms, I forgotten most of
1:12:38
John C Dvorak: writing a book like that'd be super important.
1:12:42
Adam Curry: It would be Manhattan level, Manhattan
1:12:44
project level. Definitely. Regarding AI, there is there's
1:12:48
an interesting development in first some boots on the ground,
1:12:51
because we talked about the power requirements. This is, of
1:12:54
course, this is what Nvidia is actually doing is creating these
1:12:58
chips that just suck the power and everything needs. If only we
1:13:02
had $100 billion, then AI would work. If only we had a trillion
1:13:07
dollars, it would work if we only had $7 trillion. It would
1:13:10
work. First the the Scott says, Hey,
1:13:16
John C Dvorak: we see a trend here. Yes. I
1:13:19
Adam Curry: was listening to Episode 16. Seven, you want to
1:13:21
wanted to offer an educated guess as to why the data center
1:13:23
legislation was a big deal in Virginia. He says he believes
1:13:28
that has to do with Amazon's HQ two data center that's being
1:13:31
built there. And that's essentially across the street
1:13:33
from the Pentagon. So that would make sense because if you read
1:13:38
the boots on the ground from our DC night of the high desert, he
1:13:41
says I lived in Princeville, Oregon right next to the
1:13:44
Facebook and Apple data centers that they've been building for
1:13:47
over a decade, the city of Princeville Prineville
1:13:50
Princeville residences saw a 200% increase in their Pacific
1:13:55
power utility bill once the data center was up and running.
1:14:00
Unknown: About that.
1:14:02
John C Dvorak: No one talks he's had a bunch of utility bill
1:14:05
hikes here in California too. I wonder what's going on.
1:14:08
Adam Curry: And then we have anonymous and immediate family
1:14:14
members and executive at a large diversified electric and gas
1:14:17
utility. I love our producers. It just hey, just call your
1:14:20
family you'll get answers for us. Data Center power demands
1:14:24
has providers in a panic. The enormous power usage cannot be
1:14:28
overstated. Even nuclear power generation has difficulty
1:14:32
keeping up. I believe Amazon uses about a third of the power
1:14:36
generated by the Sasquatch and a nuclear plant in Pennsylvania.
1:14:39
It's exponential and not scalable. Of course, none of
1:14:43
this stuff is scalable. But here's the cool thing. Ars
1:14:46
Technica, I think Ars Technica is pretty good. Do we know the
1:14:49
guys at Ars Technica, do
1:14:51
John C Dvorak: we? I don't know. I don't think they listen to the
1:14:53
show or anything but but Ars Technica screwy information
1:15:00
Yeah, you dropped
1:15:00
Adam Curry: out Ars Technica what
1:15:05
John C Dvorak: I said, I'm sorry, Ars Technica is a good
1:15:07
source of screwy, screwy information that seems to be
1:15:11
accurate. So
1:15:13
Adam Curry: they have this article that came out
1:15:15
researchers up end AI status quo by eliminating matrix
1:15:20
multiplication in MLMs. And I wasn't quite clear what that
1:15:27
meant. But here's some excerpts research claim researchers
1:15:31
claimed have developed a new way to run AI language models more
1:15:34
efficiently by eliminating matrix multiplication from the
1:15:38
process. This fundamentally redesigns neural network
1:15:42
operations that are currently accelerated by GPU chips. And if
1:15:47
you read down further it says this ability. So the actually
1:15:53
here mult matrix multiplication, often abbreviated to map mall is
1:15:57
at the center of most neural network computational tasks.
1:16:00
GPUs are particularly good at executing the math quickly
1:16:03
because they can perform large numbers of multiplication
1:16:05
operations in parallel. That ability momentarily made
1:16:08
invidia, the most valuable company in the world last week,
1:16:11
the company currently holds an estimated 90% market share for
1:16:15
the data center GPUs now in this new paper, titled scalable
1:16:19
MathML free language modeling, the researchers described
1:16:22
creating a custom 2.7 billion parameter model without using
1:16:27
mat mall that features a similar performance to conventional
1:16:30
large language models. And they demonstrate running a 1.3
1:16:34
billion parameter model at 23.8 tokens per second on a GPU that
1:16:38
was accelerated by an FPGA chip that uses only 13 watts of
1:16:43
power. This could blow up in video Well,
1:16:53
John C Dvorak: I don't know what to make of that. Yeah, if
1:16:56
there's true I mean, it seems to me that everything could be
1:16:58
blown up. If you just have some guys out there that know what
1:17:02
they're doing. Yes, change the math.
1:17:04
Adam Curry: Well, they essentially doing without math
1:17:06
like yeah, we don't take you
1:17:08
John C Dvorak: without that type of math, which I guess is
1:17:10
necessary to create whatever they're doing. I'm not I'm on
1:17:14
familiar with it, but it's obviously at the core of the
1:17:18
whole thing. And so somebody just did a workaround and said,
1:17:21
Hey, you don't need this bullcrap. You can run us a run
1:17:24
Adam Curry: on a Beelink
1:17:28
John C Dvorak: there's your call. This goes out. There's
1:17:30
your callback
1:17:31
Adam Curry: until your hard disk crashes. Yeah, exactly. I don't
1:17:34
know I love seeing that stuff. Like oh, because I just I just
1:17:39
want to see it fall apart.
1:17:41
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I know you do but it's gonna fall apart
1:17:43
whether you Is that
1:17:45
Adam Curry: wrong of one way or wrong? I mean, I want to see
1:17:48
that fall apart. Is that bad?
1:17:50
John C Dvorak: It is I think you're you're you're a hater.
1:17:53
That's what it is. I am wells exhibiting your hatred of
1:17:57
anything that you're not involved in? No, that's just a I
1:18:01
think it's a personality has
1:18:03
Adam Curry: nothing to do that has nothing to do with it. A
1:18:06
thought AI was dumb from the beginning. I my record stands.
1:18:09
Yeah,
1:18:10
John C Dvorak: I'm not you're definitely consistent.
1:18:12
Unknown: Also new this morning. major record labels are taking a
1:18:15
stand against AI and the industry the Recording Industry
1:18:17
Association of America has filed a lawsuit against AI music
1:18:21
companies suno and udio. alleging copyright infringement.
1:18:24
The trade group represents some titans in the industry, Sony
1:18:28
universal and Warner records. The suit claims that companies
1:18:31
illegally copied recordings to train their systems to produce
1:18:34
copyrighted music. This comes after more than 200 artists
1:18:37
signed a letter in April calling on AI companies to stop using
1:18:41
technology that takes away their rights udio and suno have not
1:18:45
yet responded to the lawsuit.
1:18:47
Adam Curry: This is good man that's you know stuff is
1:18:49
actually not bad. I've heard some songs that came off that
1:18:53
like all right, but the last well
1:18:55
John C Dvorak: it hits hits, hits it was kind of like the hit
1:18:58
and miss of a regular singer song right. Exactly,
1:19:01
Adam Curry: exactly. It has to do with promotion has to do with
1:19:05
all kinds of things it can even the weather can can determine a
1:19:08
hit if if people could create hits, they will be doing it
1:19:11
already.
1:19:13
John C Dvorak: Then which used to be this funny show on it was
1:19:17
on PBS or someplace it was a it was a sit down with these
1:19:20
various producers and directors and and when Peter Guber had
1:19:24
owned Sony I would not so but he was running Sony's movies
1:19:30
division, it was kind of scandalous era goober the
1:19:33
lawyer. No Peter Guber the producer, oh, and he would he
1:19:40
said that after the first year they did a bunch of these movies
1:19:43
and he says, and the Japanese had took him into view to the
1:19:47
board meeting okay, what is your work had you to accomplish
1:19:49
anything he says, Well, we had this movie was a fail and this
1:19:53
was the fail this this movie did well in this movie do well in
1:19:55
these other five movies failed? And they said, Well, I don't
1:19:58
understand what you're doing because why? Let's just do more
1:20:01
of these. Which
1:20:04
Adam Curry: I remember that used to be at think new ideas, the
1:20:08
company that I had before me vo before the.com crash. And we'd
1:20:14
have clients come to us and say, Okay, we have here's what we
1:20:17
want. We want a viral video.
1:20:20
John C Dvorak: Like, I remember this era, by the way, yeah.
1:20:23
Adam Curry: Can you make that go viral? No, no, that's not really
1:20:27
how it works. Yeah, we want a viral video. This is what
1:20:30
everyone's doing it now you gotta have something funny. To
1:20:33
be a viral video. It's
1:20:35
John C Dvorak: got to catch on is no way. That would do what's
1:20:39
going on with Trump right now in these anti Biden videos, which
1:20:42
are being done by hordes of pretty much from what I can tell
1:20:47
volunteers doing these things on their own, and pumping them into
1:20:51
the Twitter and whatever everywhere in Stein everywhere
1:20:54
pumping him into everything. This is the end. A lot of them
1:20:57
are catching on. A lot of them aren't. But this is the only way
1:20:59
you can do it. And it's not something you can control. So
1:21:03
nobody's doing on the Biden side. No,
1:21:05
Adam Curry: they can't. There's something funny, they have no
1:21:08
humor. That's right. They have no humor. It's really odd.
1:21:12
Because Americans have humor in general. We're funny. And the
1:21:17
left and right used to be funny on both sides. What happened?
1:21:20
What happened? When did that change?
1:21:23
Unknown: It's like a like a brain
1:21:25
John C Dvorak: blur. You know, it's it was a slow I think it's
1:21:27
been a slow thing. It's been slow rain
1:21:29
Adam Curry: cork. So here's your analogy. A lot of people sent in
1:21:34
a lot of thoughtful responses to what caused the video game crash
1:21:39
in the 80s. And you saw them you saw a lot of these. Yeah, the
1:21:45
one thing that's very consistent is the failure of the E T game.
1:21:49
Everybody has that as a part of it. And didn't they just didn't
1:21:53
they go and did they? Did they destroy them in the desert or
1:21:58
something or throw them into a landfill in New Mexico and
1:22:02
crushed
1:22:02
John C Dvorak: more than one example losers' finding a dump,
1:22:07
and then taking 1000s and 1000s of cartridges and putting them
1:22:11
in there?
1:22:12
Adam Curry: I think it was, it was a new story even. Yeah,
1:22:15
John C Dvorak: but that wasn't the only game that was put in
1:22:18
the landfill. But yes, the E T game and I think the problem
1:22:22
was, it was overhyped. It was no good. And, and people lost
1:22:30
confidence in the whole system went because I, you can if you
1:22:35
take in, you trick people into thinking something's good,
1:22:39
through marketing and through hype and through whatever. And
1:22:43
then they're no good at that thing. This is happening to
1:22:45
Biden, by the way. Well,
1:22:47
Adam Curry: wouldn't it be cool to get really irked about it,
1:22:49
it'd be cool if had to throw all those NVIDIA GPUs into a big
1:22:52
landfill and crush them with a bulldozer.
1:22:56
John C Dvorak: I think hobbyists would grab that. Oh, yeah, my
1:23:00
mom.
1:23:00
Adam Curry: Of course, they're lots of fun to play with. And
1:23:04
then the final this, I think this is quite troublesome,
1:23:06
particularly for podcasters for presidential candidates. For
1:23:09
anybody. This is an AI development, which is a very big
1:23:12
problem on
1:23:13
Unknown: the medical is detecting Alzheimer's by
1:23:15
listening to the way someone speaks. A new AI tool has the
1:23:19
power. Boston University researchers used a machine
1:23:22
learning model to analyze speech patterns with a high degree of
1:23:25
accuracy, they were able to predict whether someone with
1:23:28
mild cognitive impairment would develop Alzheimer's dementia
1:23:32
within six years. Typically, assessments to diagnose
1:23:35
Alzheimer's do not come back in time to make meaningful
1:23:39
decisions about interventions to slow the progression of the mind
1:23:42
robbing disease. The AI program was nearly 80% accurate in
1:23:47
determining whether someone would remain stable or fall into
1:23:51
dementia associated with Alzheimer's. We
1:23:53
Adam Curry: need to do some of this work. This is here's an
1:23:55
exit.
1:23:56
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you know, I think Hold on a second. And you
1:23:59
know, I think that this entire story is a plan to is to hurt
1:24:05
Adam Curry: Biden, some well hurt anybody, anybody you want.
1:24:08
No, I
1:24:09
John C Dvorak: think this is a Biden. This is another one of
1:24:11
these weird, targeted anti Biden things that's going on right
1:24:16
now. Just because of association. You start talking
1:24:19
about oh, AI can spot Alzheimer's and just over never
1:24:22
mentioned Biden, of course, good, but it's the first thing
1:24:24
you think that's the weird thing is this is bullcrap.
1:24:28
Adam Curry: That's the weird thing. The associations Oh,
1:24:29
Biden. Yeah.
1:24:31
John C Dvorak: At best first thing and I thought, I'm going
1:24:33
to story start playing but if you have
1:24:35
Adam Curry: that kind of voice recognition, or the illusion of
1:24:38
that kind of recognition can be all kinds of cool stuff. You
1:24:41
know, will you turn into an axe?
1:24:43
John C Dvorak: Well, you can use it as a as a lie detector.
1:24:46
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, you
1:24:47
John C Dvorak: might pose idli these computers have done years
1:24:50
ago, there's Oh yeah, we got this situation here and you can
1:24:53
talk into the computer and we can tell if you're lying. You
1:24:56
can take
1:24:56
Adam Curry: your teenage girls and you say okay, talking here.
1:24:59
Oh, you're a boy. way, there it is. And with that, I'd like to
1:25:03
thank you for your courage saying the morning to you the
1:25:05
man who put the scene Captain chaos say hello to my friend on
1:25:08
the other end the one and only Mr. Jobs.
1:25:14
John C Dvorak: In the morning it was Adam curry and you gave him
1:25:16
a gigantic agenda. Yes. Warren Davidson is out there. Wow, good
1:25:19
Biden invitation.
1:25:20
Adam Curry: Hello, Joe. We got 1657 trolls on board today. That
1:25:29
is a step up from the 1609. On the last Thursday, which I did
1:25:32
live from Amsterdam, the Netherlands from the airport,
1:25:36
the trolls are in the troll room at troll room.io. And of course,
1:25:39
they may also be listening on a modern podcast that tried true
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can also alert you when we published 90 seconds after that
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using the pod pink technology all part of the independent
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paying independent decentralized podcasting 2.0. the only the
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only media format and distribution system that is not
1:26:12
prone to deep platforming or censorship. Of course, there's
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no way to make money in it either. I got a clip that there
1:26:20
was some some black podcasters and they were moaning about how
1:26:25
pod everyone in podcasting is broke. There's no more minimum
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guarantees, the bottom is falling out. Oh, that's because
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they were dependent. They were Yes, they were dependent on
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Spotify money. And Spotify pulled the plug and everything
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fell apart except for this show. Because our producers support
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1:26:46
John C Dvorak: black guys that distribute their podcasts any
1:26:48
good. They could do the same thing.
1:26:50
Adam Curry: It's actually the black girls, which is even
1:26:52
funnier.
1:26:54
John C Dvorak: podcast is any good, they could do the same
1:26:56
thing. You know, the
1:26:57
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do with their paid producers. How many producers can you have?
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On a show like this? None. Okay, maybe one. But then you have to
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give up your Neumann mics. So you know, it's this is this is a
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perfect model. It's a rollercoaster often, but it's a
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model that works. And we have another adopter. This is the
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John C Dvorak: people well you know it's the works that's the
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thing it
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John C Dvorak: about the art?
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Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot I forgot that two weeks
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ago to deny.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah and last and then you condemned me for not
1:28:58
catching it this time. I caught it. Good
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Adam Curry: job. We want to thank the immense talent from
1:29:04
our artists all of them. Not bar none all of them Dutch masters.
1:29:09
It's amazing that we have these Dutch masters creating this for
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us. And the artwork from Episode 1671 You can find all these at
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no agenda art generator.com We titled that it's the boyfriend
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and the art came from Sir Schug aka fo diddley classic, classic
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crunch with us it was the Nestle's crunch bar with even
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had no agenda and that was the best part I think.
1:29:42
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the no agenda logo is done in the
1:29:45
Nestle's there
1:29:46
Adam Curry: was a nice touch rip off is beautiful. was a nice
1:29:50
touch. Let me see what else we had we had babies vaping I kind
1:29:56
of liked that you didn't like it. You thought it was something
1:29:58
wrong with it. When we kind of like Matthew drop COEs although
1:30:05
it was very AI II AI II you know the dude trying to keep us on
1:30:10
the air and everything blowing up he had two of those actually.
1:30:14
Yeah,
1:30:14
John C Dvorak: one with three arms, which was actually better.
1:30:16
Yeah, because it was classic AI. And we had a couple of seasons
1:30:20
and a girl walks down the street with all the boiling with the
1:30:23
eggs frying on the street. Yeah,
1:30:25
Adam Curry: was a bit more even. You thought that was a bit much?
1:30:29
Yeah. Was there anything else extrapolated
1:30:32
John C Dvorak: to candy bar quite a bit. Yeah, the
1:30:34
Adam Curry: candy bar was good. That was That's classic, no
1:30:37
agenda, product shots. Always a winner a lot of heat warning
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things. And of course again, it's a Dutch master So shall we
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thank you very much. No agenda art generator.com. You can see
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all the artwork there you can contribute you can upload your
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own art and and be in the race. Of course, these artists are
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listening live. So they do it on the fly, which is amazing to me
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how they do except for the AI jockeys, the prompt jockeys. I
1:31:02
get it.
1:31:03
John C Dvorak: Well, that's everybody now.
1:31:04
Adam Curry: Yeah, pretty much. I can tell you everything that's
1:31:08
been uploaded so far is not going to get chosen. Because all
1:31:11
AI
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John C Dvorak: is all a I have to admit, I think the piece with
1:31:16
the drooling bug guide, Biden were called juiced and ready is
1:31:23
at least younger is by Rick Harris.
1:31:27
Adam Curry: I do like the the flags on his lapel too. Right.
1:31:34
These also show up in our chapters, Dred Scott always put
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that together in your modern podcast app. So you can see all
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of the rotating as we go through different topics on the show.
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Now back to our executive producers and our Associate
1:31:46
Executive Producer, he comes in usually once a month, sometimes
1:31:49
it's six weeks, and here he is once again Serrana Miss of
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Dogpatch and lower Slobo via a number that is always a code of
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some sort. baffling to us. 3612 I'm going to presume this came
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in from came in cash. It came in with at least one $2 bill and it
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came in from some mailbox somewhere in the country. As
1:32:16
usual.
1:32:17
John C Dvorak: It came in with six $2 bills. Oh,
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Adam Curry: oh, yes. Five for 12 Okay. And in this typewritten
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note, from Toronto, Mr. Dogpatch Hello, hello Bovee I hope all
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had a Blessed Eid Al Adha Eid Al Adha I think it's not even Eid
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Al Adha Thank you.
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John C Dvorak: We were wondering if he was going to come in
1:32:39
because he every year he always comes in Eid donation. I
1:32:43
Adam Curry: wonder if he was at the Hodge thing.
1:32:47
John C Dvorak: I'm sure he's been to the Heisman and that he
1:32:49
didn't let out if he does. saralee and he has a note this
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one he has
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Adam Curry: a note he wants to share with everyone. Thank you
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to all older new producers for making this a valuable source of
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information perspective and insight. The hard work and ball
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sweat from Wow sir autonomous. This is a twist. This is a
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twist. The hard work and ball sweat from the two hosts plus
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the work of other producers offers wonderful value. As I
1:33:15
travel. He always has a little eat. He's always on the road. As
1:33:18
I travel I noticed.
1:33:19
John C Dvorak: We wonder what he does. I believe he's a salesman.
1:33:24
Adam Curry: As I travel I am noting some empty international
1:33:27
airline seats and easier hotel bookings. I don't always go to
1:33:31
the best countries. But availability is getting easier
1:33:35
as well. Carrying USD and my overseas travel as emergency
1:33:39
backup. I have found it impossible to get new $100 bills
1:33:44
as older ones are commonly discounted in less reputable
1:33:48
countries. That's interesting. Political fundraising has
1:33:53
already made $2 bills scarce and now large new bills except for
1:33:58
$10 bills are difficult to get digital dollars seem easier to
1:34:02
print. You got that right brother. Finally, to cross the
1:34:06
bridge from the tolls scurry from the war in Sudan. To cross
1:34:11
the bridge from the toll scurry from the war in Sudan is
1:34:14
expected to cause almost as many deaths from famine by September
1:34:18
as the population of the West Bank. He's making a point here.
1:34:23
The bricks are growing because they give a damn about their own
1:34:26
people. The UN operates like a military planner fighting the
1:34:29
last war explaining why the UK and France are permanent
1:34:34
members. No jingles, no karma. So he's dropping some wisdom
1:34:38
here.
1:34:38
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he's got some misses eating up his Mama's
1:34:42
craw there. Yeah, especially the UK and France and the UN. He's a
1:34:46
little
1:34:46
Adam Curry: mad about that. Well, well, that's the war
1:34:48
machine.
1:34:49
John C Dvorak: This show hates it, too. Yeah, yes. Very wide
1:34:52
doughnuts.
1:34:53
Adam Curry: Thank you very much, sir animus of Dogpatch and Lois
1:34:56
LeBeau via always making it a happy happy month at the end of
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the month. Happy eat. Yes
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John C Dvorak: it does. It makes a big difference. Yes, it does.
1:35:03
Thank you, sir. Onward with me a note open with Anonymous from
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Qurans Bong Correns Bong, which is typically sounds like an
1:35:16
Australian city and it is, I guess in New South Wales. He
1:35:20
came up with the 898 70, which
1:35:23
Adam Curry: I think was 1000. Australian probably probably.
1:35:28
John C Dvorak: But he says it m value for value T type three at
1:35:31
us one dollars slash hour. In other words, he's $1 an hour is
1:35:36
what his donation is. That's what it is. He's listening for
1:35:39
898 hours and 70 point 70 Thank you for your courage. No jingles
1:35:43
no karma also, I don't want $1 We do discount knighthood. Thank
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you.
1:35:49
Adam Curry: All right. None given. Thank you anonymous.
1:35:53
Paul. Van vanderwal vandrie Is it an eye looks like an L? I
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think it's an L Yeah.
1:36:01
John C Dvorak: Bandura Ben Vendrell
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Adam Curry: mount Riverview also from downunder How about that
1:36:07
random number theory? Not so random though. 6.66. He says
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here's my donation the devils in the detail. With this donation I
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removed my longtime douchebag status and acknowledge my past
1:36:20
hypocrisy. I'll de deuced I am an atheist, perhaps agnostic
1:36:29
since I don't see the proof in a god and doubt religion yet,
1:36:32
until the last year, I never questioned the climate change
1:36:35
religion and its prophets of doom. And thanks to no agenda, I
1:36:39
have seen the errors of my ways. If you don't know the data fed
1:36:43
into the models, how the models work, and what comes out of the
1:36:45
models told to you from on high. You just can't be proven that
1:36:49
it's that it is but just believe for belief sake. Amen. Thanks
1:36:54
for hitting me in the mouth with a bit more common sense.
1:36:56
Regards, Paul Vendrell from the testing grounds Down Under in
1:37:00
Australia. Yes, you are the testing grounds.
1:37:02
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we talked
1:37:05
about that last year that's may have contributed to gotten two
1:37:07
people to contribute. It worked.
1:37:09
Unknown: Let's keep doing it.
1:37:11
John C Dvorak: Ben Knight us in San Francisco. 369. I totally
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spaced on envelope for JCD at Club mallard. So this makes it
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460 9am edging. Oh, so close to the Duke club. Have to make a
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new account on masthope Pretty soon to be Duke of San
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Francisco. You're kind of Masto that Mastodon Yeah. Here's the
1:37:42
clip link that made me donate. This should be in the intro to
1:37:46
no agenda or an example of bad interview. You know, Charlie
1:37:50
Rose would have handled this lady better. And then he's got a
1:37:53
clip, which I didn't play. Yeah,
1:37:55
Adam Curry: I did. It was it was Jon Stewart. Talking to the
1:38:00
Pentagon lady about the about the audit of the Pentagon. Oh,
1:38:07
John C Dvorak: okay. In order in honor of GPT four, and Apple
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intelligence that 4.0 meet up link is below. I just sold some
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shares moments ago from my Apple Store Genius Bar days. And nice
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and I planted that's interesting. And I plan on
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bringing JCD cash in hand for the Duke upgrade. Tell him to
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bring his sword. You better. I don't do that. I'm less than 600
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hours away I can be I can bring gold as well if Shawn prefers
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Yeah, bring gold. Gold. Please. Go gold. Please plug in addition
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living so no one's a no one's heard that jingle in a while.
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That's true. I hope you can find it. And then he has a link to
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the meetup, which is the next
1:39:02
Adam Curry: job. Yeah, the Albany meetup. Get John out of
1:39:04
the house meet up. Yeah. All right. And I
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John C Dvorak: look forward to that.
1:39:08
Adam Curry: I have the jingle for LinkedIn is fluoride in good
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one. We move on to thank you very much Ben Baron dude named
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Jeff 333 33. From New Jersey just jobs karma for me my
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Adam Curry: Yeah, I was reading that this is like a billion
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dollar lawsuit. I think United is is on the receiving end of
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this. They deserve it.
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John C Dvorak: I say so. What are
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Adam Curry: they doing that they're putting these young kids
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in who are pushing forward instead of pulling back? Not
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right. No agenda tags.com. So is it is it? Is that? No agenda
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Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs
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Adam Curry: are mine. Then we got our final Associate
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Executive Producer ship for Nellie grossen Bakker from Mesa,
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Arizona. I'll read her note and then you can explain the much
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longer note which you were quite interested in. She says thank
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you for the work that you both do. I've been listening to no
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agenda since January of 2019. Right after I was thrown into
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the disaster written out below short story. Here is your
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portion of our winnings against Rockland County, New York County
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exit executor, 14 families fought for five years to prove
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that our healthy unvaccinated children were treated unjustly
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when they were excluded from schooling during the great New
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York measles epidemic of 2018 2019. Which we of course,
1:43:50
followed quite closely on the show because boy, what a bunch
1:43:54
of crock that was. And you got the you got the full writing
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from her John.
1:44:00
John C Dvorak: She wrote a long essay, which I'm thinking of
1:44:04
running in my substack column is so good about how her kids she
1:44:11
didn't want to get the MMR vaccine. And that would be
1:44:15
probably a wise decision in some situations when she believed
1:44:18
that she didn't need it. And Measles is not that big of a
1:44:21
deal. And generally speaking, it's true. Not people are
1:44:26
dropping dead from it. And they kicked her out, kicked her and
1:44:31
her family out of the school. Yeah, you can't come in. And it
1:44:34
says she has it's a long story. But it's very interesting and
1:44:37
Unknown: you're actually thinking of republishing it.
1:44:40
Yeah, I've
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John C Dvorak: got that one. And there's another educational one
1:44:43
from some one of a teacher out there. Yes, I'm thinking of
1:44:48
republishing it and some other ones. I think I'm going to do
1:44:51
that.
1:44:51
Adam Curry: It's nice to see all these people getting some
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respite. Is that the right term respite? There do getting there
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do like the pilots want the pilots to Get there. Do we want
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all these people to get there do takes time. But Justice
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ultimately takes time
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John C Dvorak: and who has the time? That's the problem. Well,
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we're busy podcasts the whole system is set up that way. So us
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Yeah, okay, well, maybe you'll beat us but you're gonna have
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to, it's gonna cost you time and money.
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Adam Curry: Thank you to these executive and Associate
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Executive producers for episode 1672. We appreciate you we
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thank you for producing episode 1672 Our
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Unknown: formula is this we go out yet people in the mouth
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Yeah, shut up slave.
1:46:11
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna get some Gaza stuff out of the way.
1:46:14
Okay. So now I'm going to play this play these guys, Lloyd
1:46:18
Austin Gaza report.
1:46:21
Adam Curry: No, and the good NTD bit
1:46:23
Unknown: defense secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli
1:46:25
counterpart in Washington today that says controversy is taking
1:46:29
hold in Israel as the military has to start drafting ultra
1:46:33
orthodox men and he's INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT area
1:46:36
and post art house the Israel update.
1:46:39
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli
1:46:42
counterpart in DC.
1:46:44
Adam Curry: Now finally, this is NTD man that lead is no good.
1:46:48
They gotta have this guy on all the time.
1:46:50
John C Dvorak: He's great. He's perfect
1:46:51
Unknown: Secretary Lloyd Austin is meeting his Israeli
1:46:54
counterpart in DC. Now the meeting comes as Israel plans to
1:46:58
move troops from Gaza to the Lebanese border to tackle
1:47:01
Hezbollah. But this plan of course is increasing concerns
1:47:05
about a wider conflict in the region.
1:47:08
I am extremely concerned about the rise and rocket attacks on
1:47:12
Israel's north from Lebanese Hezbollah, and the recent surge
1:47:16
in tensions. Austin
1:47:18
says that a war between Israel and Hezbollah could easily
1:47:21
become a regional conflict. Israel's national security
1:47:24
adviser says they will spend weeks using diplomatic means to
1:47:27
try to find a middle ground with the Iran backed terrorist group.
1:47:31
But if that doesn't work, they will use different methods to
1:47:33
attempt to bring calm to the Israel Lebanon border. The US is
1:47:37
urging Israel to use diplomacy although provocations are
1:47:41
ramping up, whose rose
1:47:43
provocations threatened to drag the Israeli and Lebanese people
1:47:47
into a war that they do not want.
1:47:49
Meanwhile, in Israel, the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled
1:47:52
that the military must begin drafting ultra orthodox men
1:47:56
Israelis are divided
1:47:58
at a time of war at a time of war. Everyone has to make that
1:48:04
take that part
1:48:04
it's not a good decision but why is not a good decision because
1:48:08
the army is not does not respect the people. They don't respect
1:48:16
it.
1:48:16
The historic ruling puts an end to a decade's old system that
1:48:20
granted ultra orthodox men exemptions from military service
1:48:24
Adam Curry: as is pretty controversial.
1:48:26
John C Dvorak: Oh yes a big deal.
1:48:27
Adam Curry: Can this bring BB down? Oh, I
1:48:31
John C Dvorak: don't think so. I think the most I think the
1:48:33
Israeli population as a whole first of all, they don't like
1:48:36
these people. When I was in Israel, I got a tour
1:48:42
Adam Curry: from pretty elaborate AIPAC babysitter you
1:48:45
know, the one who's still
1:48:46
John C Dvorak: sends us just as a guy who was publishing PC
1:48:48
Magazine Israel at the time though, and he took me all over
1:48:52
the country I went everywhere and north south in between, and
1:48:56
he took me to one of the quote unquote villages where these
1:49:00
ascetics live and you could just tell that the Israelis as a
1:49:06
whole they don't like him. They don't like these these people
1:49:09
and they think they're pigs literally is what he said. And
1:49:12
he's right Teresa look at a guy named David into place was kind
1:49:15
of garbage garbage. He was a meshed. And they really don't
1:49:20
like these people. So I don't think this is gonna be of
1:49:22
anything. You know. I think it may have been done to keep keep
1:49:26
BB in office. Just the opposite. Oh,
1:49:28
Adam Curry: interesting. Okay.
1:49:32
Unknown: So part two of this clip, the head of the UN
1:49:35
Palestinian refugee agency says it's getting more complicated to
1:49:38
move drugs with aid from Israel into Gaza. We
1:49:41
are confronted nowadays to a near total breakdown of law and
1:49:47
order. The
1:49:48
US State Department explained the problem on Tuesday,
1:49:51
random looting and criminal gangs and criminal actors who
1:49:54
have been attacking trucks.
1:49:55
He added that the US is now working on a solution. One
1:49:59
option is to give us that personal protective equipment so
1:50:03
they can defend themselves against violent gangs which are
1:50:05
building up.
1:50:06
Adam Curry: Oh, PPE they're gonna get masks. He said
1:50:12
personal protective equipment PPE this mask. One of those
1:50:16
Lloyd awesome face shields. I have a CBS version of the ultra
1:50:20
orthodox report following
1:50:22
Unknown: some breaking developments out of Israel this
1:50:23
morning that could threaten Prime Minister Benjamin
1:50:26
Netanyahu is grip on power there. Oh, see they think it's
1:50:29
could threaten his grip. Israel Supreme Court has ruled that
1:50:32
they
1:50:32
John C Dvorak: would stop for saying, you know, American
1:50:35
mainstream media has hates him for some reason. And every
1:50:39
report that they give us that He is, is always negative. But if
1:50:43
you get reports outside of the country, it's the you don't hear
1:50:47
any of this I I'm not buying this this idea that he's he's
1:50:52
gone. They're
1:50:53
Adam Curry: running cover for Biden they're running cover we
1:50:55
send we send weapons they run cover. Bibi pretends we didn't
1:50:59
origin send it as running cover. It's all BS come on CBS come on
1:51:07
in Prime
1:51:07
Unknown: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is grip on power there
1:51:10
Israel Supreme Court has ruled that ultra orthodox religious
1:51:13
men must be drafted into the military. They're like just
1:51:16
about everyone else. Most Jewish Israeli men and women are
1:51:19
required at age 18. To serve in the armed forces starting at 18
1:51:23
for two to three years, two for women, three for men, but ultra
1:51:26
orthodox communities had been exempted from the rule. The
1:51:29
court's decision could lead to Netanyahu losing support from
1:51:32
ultra orthodox parties and his coalition government which could
1:51:35
trigger new elections, the head of one of those parties called
1:51:39
the ruling quote very unfortunate and disappointing.
1:51:42
Adam Curry: I don't think that's true. I thought only only
1:51:44
Netanyahu can call new elections can just be triggered if there's
1:51:48
a
1:51:49
John C Dvorak: parliamentary crisis. I have to do some
1:51:52
research to know for sure.
1:51:53
Adam Curry: This whole this whole Lebanon thing is so
1:51:56
annoying. Alright, so we've cleaned up Gaza, but now we're
1:51:59
going to keep going.
1:52:04
John C Dvorak: Got me?
1:52:05
Adam Curry: I have a wonderful,
1:52:07
John C Dvorak: I'm baffled by a sight. But I would be kind of
1:52:10
it's the war machine. It's the war machine. And we're behind
1:52:13
it. Yes.
1:52:14
Adam Curry: Thank you. It's the war machine. In fact, I have a
1:52:18
have a great there was a great advertisement on CNN A, which is
1:52:24
think the China News Agency. Yeah, I think so. Well, I don't
1:52:28
know whose side they're on. But this is an obvious Whoa, boy, we
1:52:32
need more money. We need money we mean money because we don't
1:52:35
have this gear.
1:52:37
Unknown: hypersonic missiles tipped with either conventional
1:52:40
or nuclear warheads can hone in on their targets at least five
1:52:43
times faster than the speed of sound. They are a new threat.
1:52:47
Because weapons that effectively counter them are yet to be fully
1:52:50
developed and deployed. And that could redefine the global
1:52:54
balance of military power. China is seem to be leading the world.
1:52:58
When it comes to building up its arsenal, a milestone The United
1:53:02
States has acknowledged. Two notable missiles are the de F
1:53:06
17, a medium range ballistic missile equipped with a
1:53:10
hypersonic glide vehicle, and the DF 41, which can be armed
1:53:14
with up to a dozen nuclear capable warheads. Russia, and
1:53:19
another producer of the high speed projectiles is the first
1:53:22
country to use them in combat. At least two types are known to
1:53:25
have been deployed so far. And it's invasion of Ukraine. That's
1:53:29
the air launch kinjal or dagger, and the sea launched zircon,
1:53:34
which uses a hypersonic glide vehicle. Now
1:53:37
Adam Curry: I think we need to have some congressional
1:53:39
hearings. Well,
1:53:40
John C Dvorak: what just happened? We should know to my
1:53:43
as I put this in there, it's not covered by the mainstream, but
1:53:45
it's covered by the news defense newsletters is the chief of the
1:53:50
next generation ICBM project was fired. So the government went
1:53:56
way over budget, they didn't know what to do about it. They
1:53:58
can't seem to get this next generation this problem with all
1:54:01
of our next generation technologies. Nobody can it just
1:54:05
overruns they don't they can't estimate correctly. It's
1:54:09
horrible. And so this guy got canned and now we're just
1:54:13
basically just blown into when we don't have anybody running
1:54:16
the probe program basically over the next generation ICBM which
1:54:20
is supposed to have been done by now it's not even close well I
1:54:23
Adam Curry: take this c and a c and a report to be some kind of
1:54:26
propaganda for the for the war machines like you know, you
1:54:30
know, China's got him Russia's got them, you know, could change
1:54:34
the global power balance. We need it. Need some money? Yeah,
1:54:42
you can just wait for it. Yeah, let's
1:54:44
John C Dvorak: definitely need money. We need money.
1:54:47
Adam Curry: I thought was kind of funny. This interview a
1:54:50
little bit here with Jack Reed who was a Democrat from Rhode
1:54:53
Island. About the draft of course. There's always been talk
1:54:58
of of drafting we In the United States, and here
1:55:02
Unknown: we are, Senator, one thing on your plate right now is
1:55:05
the National Defense Authorization Act. I mean, this
1:55:07
is for all who don't follow the NDAA. This is a massive bill
1:55:12
that sets Pentagon policy guiding funding for the year
1:55:15
ahead, sets
1:55:16
Adam Curry: policy. No, it robs us of $900 billion policy,
1:55:22
included
1:55:23
Unknown: this time in various versions is proposal that would
1:55:26
make registering for the draft automatic, and also move in the
1:55:29
Senate to expand it to women for the first time. What's going to
1:55:33
happen with this?
1:55:36
John C Dvorak: Well, I think is an entirely sensible idea. It
1:55:40
was recommended by a national bipartisan commission on
1:55:45
national service. And we took that recommendation, and it was
1:55:49
in 2016, and 2017, publicly supported by all uniform Chiefs
1:55:54
of Staff, because it makes sense. 17% of the military today
1:55:59
is composed of women, they're in every aspect of service, combat
1:56:03
arms, technical services, etc. And we're in a situation where
1:56:08
all we're trying to do is register, there's no draft in
1:56:14
place today. It would take Congress to act to pass
1:56:18
legislation to create a draft. And in that legislation, they
1:56:22
could make distinctions, clarifications, whatever
1:56:25
Congress thought, but without this registration requirement,
1:56:30
we are missing on a vast pool of talent. I mean, it's
1:56:35
interesting, we're talking about Israel, their armed forces have
1:56:38
been gender neutral for
1:56:43
Adam Curry: Israel. Yeah. Now Israel's great
1:56:46
John C Dvorak: gender neutral for decades and decades and
1:56:49
decades. And they're the one most effective fighting forces
1:56:53
in the country, in
1:56:54
Adam Curry: the country. Are they here? Are they fighting
1:56:56
here? The country? It's a good one No, no, none of the country.
1:57:01
This fits neatly into an executive order. Or a executive
1:57:07
pardon from President Biden, which came out the day before
1:57:11
yesterday, President
1:57:12
Unknown: Joe Biden will pardoned 1000s of US military veterans
1:57:15
who were convicted under a law that banned gay sex article 125
1:57:19
of the Uniform Code of Military Justice was in place from 1951
1:57:23
through 2013 1000s of service members were convicted and faced
1:57:28
court martialed during that time, President Biden said in a
1:57:31
statement that he's writing a wrong for those service members
1:57:34
who were convicted for simply being themselves. The White
1:57:37
House says 1000s of veterans will be impacted by the move.
1:57:41
Anyone convicted for non consensual acts will not be
1:57:44
pardoned.
1:57:45
Adam Curry: Now, this is interesting, from a number of
1:57:47
perspectives. First of all, this was overturned in 2013 during
1:57:51
Obama, but the actual article 125 is being played every day.
1:58:00
If you just do a search, article, code, USC 925, article
1:58:07
125, you'll get LGBTQ LGBTQ pride flags, all beautiful, it's
1:58:13
all great go, Joe. But this was actually about one thing, sodomy
1:58:20
wasn't a gay thing, per se. It was it was obviously not a very
1:58:25
modern thought. But any person subject to this chapter who
1:58:30
engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person
1:58:35
of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of
1:58:40
sodomy. penetration, however slight, is sufficient to
1:58:44
complete the offense.
1:58:48
Unknown: Just wanted to be correct on that.
1:58:52
Adam Curry: Thought it was interesting. Yeah.
1:58:55
John C Dvorak: This is a another lame attempt by Biden to buy
1:58:59
votes. Yeah. LGBT, as it turns out, that everybody that was
1:59:02
kicked out, will get money, they get the money that they would
1:59:05
have had. And if they're dead, your family will get the money.
1:59:10
Somebody gets money. Yeah, yeah. So there's another giveaway.
1:59:13
Yes.
1:59:15
Unknown: Yes. Yes. You're right.
1:59:21
John C Dvorak: There's he does a good job of that. Yeah. Well, he
1:59:23
Adam Curry: also, he tried that with the he tried that with the
1:59:30
was it the student loans?
1:59:34
John C Dvorak: Yeah, we take down a couple of shots at that.
1:59:36
That got turned down. Dad got turned down. They got rebooted.
1:59:40
Yeah, let
1:59:40
Adam Curry: me see. I think I have it
1:59:41
John C Dvorak: here. And some people do have some free money.
1:59:45
Adam Curry: Let me see. Well, actually, let me see, says MDC.
1:59:49
Tonight
1:59:49
Unknown: a campaign promise aimed at millions of student
1:59:52
borrowers, is in the balance.
1:59:55
We made a commitment to fix our broken student loan system broke
1:59:58
one of
1:59:58
President Biden's programs to slash student loan debt is
2:00:02
partially on hold. After two federal judges temporarily
2:00:06
blocked further relief from what's known as the safe plan. 8
2:00:10
million borrowers are enrolled in the program that ties the
2:00:13
amount of loan repayment to income and family size. Under
2:00:18
its rules, about 4 million borrowers qualify for no monthly
2:00:22
payment, others get a deep reduction. Austin Davis is a
2:00:26
special education teacher who says he and his wife Brooke saw
2:00:30
their monthly payments dropped from nearly $1,600 down to $480.
2:00:36
Without this, we would not have been able to afford the cost to
2:00:41
be able to have our own house to live with our daughter.
2:00:44
Two separate lawsuits were brought by Republican attorneys
2:00:47
general across 18 states, arguing that the education
2:00:51
secretary overstepped his authority, and that states
2:00:54
holding loans could
2:00:56
be harmed. But
2:00:57
President has no textual basis in law for this plan, and
2:01:01
I'm not gonna let Joe Biden saddle working misery families
2:01:03
with ivy league
2:01:04
education secretary Miguel Cardona late today, people
2:01:08
shouldn't have to choose between groceries and the student loans.
2:01:13
Some Republicans are working harder to stop what we're doing
2:01:15
to help than to offer any solutions.
2:01:18
The administration says it intends to vigorously defend the
2:01:21
relief program.
2:01:23
God
2:01:26
Adam Curry: just more left, right, left, right. Get mad.
2:01:30
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it was she get mad. Hey, Tina,
2:01:32
Adam Curry: I went to the school board meeting here last Tuesday.
2:01:36
Okay, why? Oh, it was? Well, because we were asked to come
2:01:42
and be in the audience. Because a number of people were going to
2:01:46
speak against the books. And I thought, well, this is I'd like
2:01:50
to know what's going on with this. You know, this is all the
2:01:52
all the books all the I have examples in the book these
2:01:56
books, I would not even read them on the show.
2:01:58
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I mean, books that promoting sodomy.
2:02:01
That should bring it out. Yeah,
2:02:02
Adam Curry: I mean, really, like with your grandpa and all kinds
2:02:05
of was really weird. And so it's gotten to the point where these
2:02:10
books are in the Fredericksburg school, but they're in a special
2:02:14
room that's locked in, you have to get parent's permission to go
2:02:19
in and read them. Which of course nobody does. No, of
2:02:23
course not. Why would you and so a number of people spoke a lot
2:02:27
of very, very upset moms. And Charlie was amazing. Everyone
2:02:31
just just looked at them, or didn't even look at them,
2:02:34
really. And then the meeting just kept on going. No, there
2:02:37
was no discussion about it. And I realized, everyone's in, like
2:02:43
iron. So just you know, they're like, they're stuck. No one can
2:02:45
say anything. No one can discuss it. They the school board has
2:02:49
been told that they can't get rid of these books, because then
2:02:52
the ACLU will sue them personally. The whole thing is
2:02:55
is a mess. And meanwhile, the handing out trophies, I swear to
2:03:00
God a trophy, three feet high to a teacher with the best
2:03:03
attendance record. That was the most bizarre thing I've ever
2:03:06
seen. No clapping, no clapping. Yay. It was it was it's sad,
2:03:13
really. And then you hear the moms like, well, they're not
2:03:17
learning anything. They're on their phone three hours a day.
2:03:19
And it's like, what is going on? We've gotten to this point where
2:03:24
the schools are no good. It's completely rotten to the core.
2:03:28
And there's some administrator who no one wanted the job that
2:03:31
to bring some guy in from Tyler, Texas. He doesn't even live
2:03:33
here. And yeah, and I don't know, it's just this You're
2:03:39
right. The schools are no good. They have to blow it up somehow.
2:03:42
I mean, I don't know how
2:03:43
John C Dvorak: they're gonna do it. It's very difficult. Yeah,
2:03:46
well, you can't they can't fix it. It's not fixable. It looks
2:03:49
like really
2:03:50
Adam Curry: doesn't look like it's fixable. It really doesn't.
2:03:53
It's just it's a big problem. And I'm sure that this is just a
2:03:58
microcosm of what's going on everywhere. No,
2:04:01
John C Dvorak: it's probably worse everywhere else. Yeah. I
2:04:04
would have to assume but people
2:04:06
Adam Curry: aren't. I mean, there aren't even engaging in
2:04:08
discussion. Just like okay, thanks. Next. All right. You got
2:04:11
something to say all right. Yeah. Pastor Mike gets up read
2:04:15
some Bible stuff, you know, beautiful. No, no. All right.
2:04:18
Thanks, Pastor Mike. All right, let's get off the stage. Let's
2:04:22
get to the budget.
2:04:24
John C Dvorak: What? Get off this stage.
2:04:27
Adam Curry: They didn't say that but well, they were thinking it
2:04:30
I'm thinking of homeschooling people homeschooling is the way
2:04:33
to go. You gotta have a horse. Sometimes
2:04:35
John C Dvorak: something has to be some something has to be read
2:04:37
and read rethought. Let's talk a little bit about this. About
2:04:42
another thing is not covered much by the mainstream, which is
2:04:45
Evie dissatisfaction.
2:04:47
Adam Curry: Oh, well,
2:04:48
John C Dvorak: I love evey dissatisfaction. Oh, you're just
2:04:51
satisfied. You're even have an Eevee but you said Ed,
2:04:55
Adam Curry: I got Evie dissatisfaction. Yes. Okay.
2:04:59
Unknown: Let's play it. Any survey says that 46% of American
2:05:02
Evie owners are likely to switch back to gas cars. And to these
2:05:07
David Lam hears from some Californians who either love
2:05:10
their EVs or have the best of both worlds.
2:05:14
That's only 24 McKinsey and Company mobility consumer global
2:05:17
survey shows 46% of Eevee owners surveyed in the United States
2:05:22
said they will likely return to driving gas powered vehicles.
2:05:26
Worldwide. That number is 29% Among 30,000 respondents in 15
2:05:32
countries, but in California a handful of Eevee owners entity
2:05:36
spoke to said they love their vehicles
2:05:39
in California I think it makes sense to use EB cough because
2:05:43
the gas prices are higher than the other states and there are
2:05:47
some incentives to use it because
2:05:50
I could never imagine paying for gas again. I had to rent a car
2:05:53
for a week and I was like, oh my god, this is just just being at
2:05:57
a gas station and spending like $100 For
2:06:00
those wanting to return to driving gas powered cars
2:06:03
Australia topped the list with 39% confirming so the lack of
2:06:09
public charging stations was the main reason the other reasons
2:06:12
were the inability to charge at home 24% And too much worry and
2:06:17
stress about charging 21% white knuckle some in California say
2:06:21
there are plenty compared to other states
2:06:24
Well we actually live in LA round a lot faster you can use
2:06:31
all the commuter lanes and there's a lot of places to
2:06:34
charge and gas just got so expensive.
2:06:37
The only reason why I really bought it is because my company
2:06:40
gives me free charging but I'm okay with electric so far.
2:06:47
Adam Curry: Yeah, but wait until they get the per mile tax. They
2:06:51
won't be so I like the
2:06:52
John C Dvorak: idea that I like this electric car because my
2:06:54
company gives me free electricity. So you drive into
2:06:58
work you work eight hours at the company and this charge in your
2:07:01
car for free to get electric car to you if I had that deal. Now,
2:07:06
here's the kicker in part two of this clip alright.
2:07:09
Unknown: In some say they still need gas cars such as for heavy
2:07:12
lifting and long distances. If
2:07:15
you've got a trailer with cattle in it, you're gonna do that with
2:07:18
electric vehicle, pulling it up. No Hills for sure. Some people
2:07:23
will have to have gas because this kind of thing. I
2:07:27
like it a lot because my other car is a VA and I use that for
2:07:31
weekend. And I still like that sound of the VA car. According
2:07:37
to the Bloomberg Nef. The upcoming presidential election
2:07:40
also caused the jitters in the US Evie market slowing down Evie
2:07:45
adoption this year. In the landmark 2021 infrastructure
2:07:48
investment and jobs act, lawmakers approved $7.5 billion
2:07:53
to build 500,000 public charging stations nationwide along
2:07:57
interstates today. It's only eight public Evie charging
2:08:01
stations have been deployed in the US now that we all know that
2:08:05
500,000
2:08:06
John C Dvorak: Does you remember when he when Biden ran against
2:08:09
Trump the first time? Yeah, oh, we're gonna Bill 500,000 It's
2:08:12
gonna be good union paying jobs. And after four years, we've got
2:08:17
eight, eight. Well,
2:08:19
Adam Curry: yes, we know this. Because this is in fact, I have.
2:08:23
How about this from 2019. From the debates,
2:08:26
Unknown: my plan calls for 500,000 charging stations around
2:08:30
the country. So by 2030, we're all electric vehicles. There you
2:08:35
go.
2:08:36
Adam Curry: That's from the 2019 debates for the 2020 election.
2:08:41
That was the plan. And we know that Pete Buttigieg was called
2:08:45
out on it.
2:08:46
Unknown: Let me ask you about a portion of this that I think
2:08:48
does fall under your portfolio. And that's the charging
2:08:50
stations. You mentioned, the Federal Highway Administration
2:08:53
says only seven or eight charging stations have been
2:08:56
produced for the seven and a half billion investment that
2:08:59
taxpayers made back in 2021. Why isn't that happening more
2:09:03
quickly. So
2:09:04
the President's goal is to have half a million chargers up by
2:09:06
the end of this decade. Now in order to do a charger. It's more
2:09:09
than just plugging a small device into the ground. There's
2:09:13
utility work. And this is also really a new category of federal
2:09:17
investment. But we've been working with each of the 50
2:09:20
states, every one of them is getting formula dollars to do
2:09:22
this work, engaging them and the first handful again by
2:09:25
2030 500,000 chargers, and the very first handful of chargers
2:09:30
are now already being physically built. Hey, here's
2:09:33
Adam Curry: the thought. Did the money's gone? How about that?
2:09:37
The money was spent on something else it was oh,
2:09:40
John C Dvorak: that's an interesting idea. There's no
2:09:42
more money because I'll tell you right now down the street for me
2:09:45
there are can Tesla chargers, and there are other Tesla
2:09:52
chargers here and there around the area. Yeah. And so this and
2:09:55
they can only the government can only with their $7 billion can
2:09:59
only build it Eat. Yeah, it hasn't been stolen. I think.
2:10:03
Adam Curry: I think the money's gone. And Pete knows it. You
2:10:06
know, hey, it's the end of the decade. Well, yeah,
2:10:09
John C Dvorak: 2030 Even if you got reelected, you wouldn't be
2:10:12
in office in 2031 of
2:10:14
Adam Curry: the big things that that EVs struggle with, of
2:10:17
course, is the promise of improved battery technology,
2:10:20
which never really seems to get much better. But there is a new
2:10:25
battery technology that has just emerged. I'm very bullish on
2:10:30
this
2:10:31
Unknown: sound, it's hot enough to heat your home. Remember how
2:10:34
you have to jump on the scorching beach in the summer
2:10:36
sun can store energy like a battery. This finished company
2:10:40
is now turning sun into thermal batteries to heat homes and
2:10:43
could help help the industry transition away from fossil
2:10:46
fuels. They heat up the air with electrical resistors. The hot
2:10:50
air circulates through the coasts and transferring heat,
2:10:53
the sand can hold its heat for months and at really high
2:10:56
temperatures up to 600 degrees Celsius. It can then be released
2:11:00
as hot water or steam as needed is a greener cheaper alternative
2:11:04
to lithium batteries. But that's because the sun is low grade
2:11:08
plentiful and not suitable for construction. Globally sand
2:11:11
mining is notoriously damaging to the environment. For now.
2:11:15
This innovation is limited to regions with abundant clean
2:11:18
energy sources and sand supplies.
2:11:21
Adam Curry: I'm thinking this is I'm gonna give up on the
2:11:23
gasifier. I'm gonna give me a big big vat of sand and make a
2:11:28
sand battery.
2:11:30
John C Dvorak: Oh please with such bullcrap battery
2:11:37
Adam Curry: it's the best. I mean so sand who knows sand can
2:11:41
keep a heat for for a month at 600 degrees centigrade.
2:11:47
John C Dvorak: It has to be well insulated I'm sure it could. I
2:11:50
don't believe any of that actually even insulators is
2:11:53
better than the assault battery I love
2:11:55
Adam Curry: you imagined like
2:11:56
John C Dvorak: what do you got in the backyard there bail on
2:11:58
that the big sand battery thing is huge.
2:12:04
Adam Curry: Just have a trailer behind your Tesla with a big,
2:12:06
big thing of sand. We'll see. We'll see till Steven.
2:12:12
John C Dvorak: Whoever gets you that clip should get an award.
2:12:15
Unknown: back right now. Extreme hate baking. Millions of
2:12:19
Americans were baking heat advisories in place across the
2:12:23
country. We just saw a weekend of triple digit temperatures.
2:12:27
Oh, New York state's Department of Health reporting hundreds of
2:12:30
Heatilator emergency emergencies nearly five times what we see is
2:12:35
this time of year. Oh well. The Northeast and mid Atlantic
2:12:37
states are getting a a very, very short reprieve. The
2:12:41
Southeast and the southern plains remain dangerously hot.
2:12:45
And BCS Erin McLaughlin has more on this wild weather Aaron.
2:12:49
Hey there over the weekend here in New York. It was absolutely
2:12:53
scorching. It's expected to be a bit better today. But across the
2:12:57
country, it's still looking pretty extreme.
2:12:59
Adam Curry: That's not what so how's the weather? Hey, in your
2:13:02
your part of the country, John across the country, let's talk
2:13:05
about across the country. How are you doing over there? Well,
2:13:08
John C Dvorak: I can tell you what my temperature is around
2:13:10
6768
2:13:14
Adam Curry: Are you bacon yet?
2:13:16
John C Dvorak: Yeah,
2:13:17
Adam Curry: you might bacon. You must kill it. And yeah, we have
2:13:20
95 or I have to actually wear a couple of layers. Right now we
2:13:24
have 95 which is okay.
2:13:26
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you're got some tight temperatures. But for
2:13:28
Texas, I've been to Texas. Normally it's in the hundreds by
2:13:31
now. Yeah, normally it's like 105 is dry, though. dry heat.
2:13:35
Adam Curry: Very dry. Very dry.
2:13:36
John C Dvorak: I've been to Texas A bedroom like 108 And it
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wasn't actually very tolerable. Not like Phoenix.
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Adam Curry: I go I take the dog out wearing my hoodie. I'm not
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kidding.
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John C Dvorak: Well, it's an insulator. Yeah, but insulation
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goes both ways. It's
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Adam Curry: also it's not cold. Not hot. Yes. Yes. All right.
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Let's go out. This is fine. This is all lies all lies. And then
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let's bring in the biggest liar in the universe who is the
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biggest liar when it comes to climate change? And and by the
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way, he's a dope. We haven't heard from him for a while. I
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don't know Bill Nye the Science Guy for odd.
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Unknown: For more on what's driving the extreme weather and
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weather the new normal is with us now. I'm joined by science
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educator, Bill Nye Good. Well, now he's a science educator,
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John.
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Adam Curry: He used to be a clown. Was he a rodeo clown or
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something? Now he's building his
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John C Dvorak: eyes. He actually does have a degree in like
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electrical engineering. Yes, he's
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Adam Curry: an educator.
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Unknown: I'm joined by science educator, Bill Nye. Good
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morning, Bill. It's so great to have you with us this morning.
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There are very few people watching us this morning who
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aren't experiencing sweltering heat
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John C Dvorak: around the world that summer
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Unknown: flooding wildfires.
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John C Dvorak: Yes it gets summer's day officially has been
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summer for a week. Some are
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Adam Curry: all very few people haven't been The witnessing the