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Bitching and moaning is part of the process.
Adam Curry, John C.
DeVora.
It's Sunday, October 19th, 2025.
This is your award-winning GiveOnNation media assassination
episode 1809.
This is no agenda.
Blowing up boats and broadcasting live from the
heart of the Texas hill country here in
FEMA region number six.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley where we've discovered
that Democrats don't like kings, but they love
queens.
I'm John C.
DeVorak.
Did Marty write that for you?
No, I wrote that myself.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
I don't know.
It was a little too good.
So I did, I followed some of this
No Kings Day stuff.
And there's really, there's really two things that
you can just see happening everywhere.
Every single one of them.
And I wouldn't say it was a complete
failure.
I mean, they definitely had some crowds here
and there.
I thought it was a huge success for
them.
Yes, yes.
That's what, well, that's what I'm saying.
It was, it was reasonable.
I'm trying to think, do I have, I
thought I had it.
Well, what would be more than reasonable to
you?
Well, you know, it was, the thing is,
it's just everybody was kind of nice.
You know, just walking around.
So better would be if they'd write it.
And actually made a fuss that it pulled
a George Floyd.
Yeah, that's an interesting point to make.
Here's, let's see, let me see.
I think this is the report I was
looking for.
Thousands of people are expected to descend on
the nation's capital for a No Kings rally.
Peaceful movement seeks to send a message to
the Trump administration, saying that America does not
put up with would-be kings.
This week, multiple Republican leaders called next week's
event, I Hate Rally.
This Hate America rally that they have coming
up for October 18th.
The Antifa crowd and the pro-Hamas crowd
and the Marxists, they're all going to gather
on the mall.
This is about one thing and one thing
only, to score political points with the terrorist
wing of their party, which is set to
hold, as Leader Scalise just commented on, a
Hate America rally in D.C. next week.
And then October 18th is when the protest
gets here.
This will be a Soros paid for protest,
where his professional protesters show up, the agitators
show up.
We'll have to get the National Guard out.
Hopefully, it'll be peaceful.
I doubt it.
So none of that.
This is not a Hate America rally.
This was not Antifa.
I, you know, yeah, it was funded by
wealthy sources, but it wasn't necessarily a George
Soros-funded organized protest.
No, the Walton woman is part of this
funding group.
Yeah, the independent.org, whatever those people are
called.
No, it's not independent.
What is it called?
Indivisible.
There we go.
Indivisible.
No, but the two things that, well, there
are a couple of things.
First of all, everywhere, American flags.
It looks, if anything, it looks like the
movement wants to hijack patriotism back from the
right, if there is such a thing.
So I was just, I was happy in
general just to see people with American flags.
We haven't seen that from the so-called
left in a long time.
So I kind of like that.
But this was the general consensus amongst every
single person who was interviewed, man on the
street.
It was always basically this.
There are many, many reasons I do not
want to get into all of them because
I cannot stomach, stomach, stomach, stomach the thought
of it.
Literally displayed himself as one with AI-generated
crowns and by quite literally positioning himself in
kingly regalia, having a golden ballroom.
Who needs a golden ballroom?
Seriously.
It was like there was nothing about policy,
nothing about Republicans.
No, it was just to hate Trump.
To hate Trump.
And this is my favorite lady.
There are many, many.
Oh, oops, sorry.
That's not the one I meant.
Here, this one.
This is the lady.
No King's Day.
And why specifically are you out supporting No
King's Day?
I think protest is important.
Why are you protesting?
How much time do you have?
A couple minutes.
What's the main reason you're out here protesting
President Trump?
I don't agree with a lot of the
decisions that are being made.
Is there any decision in particular you disagree
with?
Okay, so I would start with.
Well, I don't even think, I don't even
think it's appropriate for me to have this
interview.
Yeah, that's correct.
I have a topper.
You can top that lady?
Oh, goodness.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, all right.
I believe this is a topper.
All right.
I have three clips on No King's Day,
but this one is, I'll start with the
topper, which is, this is the man on
the street.
Yes.
Okay, here we go.
Trump's a bitch.
Yeah, why is that?
I don't know.
He's just, we don't like him.
That's the word around here.
Any particular reason why you don't like him?
No clue at all.
I'm just going with everybody else saying.
Are you sure that wasn't AI?
That was real?
Yeah, there was some guy, a white guy,
sounded like a black guy.
Oh, it was a white guy.
It's even funnier.
I know.
Trump's a bitch, man.
He's a bitch.
He's a bitch.
Why?
I don't know.
Well, I have just a few quick clips
because I see you have NPR stuff.
Well, yeah, to have one more person on
the street, we should probably play first, which
is the Unity Unicorn, which is another classic
in the lines of that first one you
played.
I am the Unity Unicorn.
Got my head out of my costume because
I can't breathe right now.
But we're here doing a peaceful protest, trying
to get our democracy back, trying to get
the current White House impeached and all removed
for crimes against the United States and against
our Constitution.
Everybody here is being peaceful.
So everybody here is being peaceful.
I just want it out there.
For anybody that's out here, we do have
free water and a cooler.
I brought some water for everybody in case
they get thirsty or if somehow pepper spray
happens to hit them, we have a way
to wash it out.
So anyway, this is my little catch up
for today.
So hopefully I'll be doing more of these
protests or hopefully we won't have to.
All right.
See you later.
Bye.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And when I look at this group of
people, I'm like, these are just Americans.
They're not running around.
They're not breaking stuff.
They have been completely brainwashed into one thing
and one thing only.
We need our democracy back.
And that's actually worse than anything because they
believe they have been completely brainwashed into believing
we have a democracy.
You know, and so the chance everything was
there.
We love America.
We have to fight for our democracy.
If you've been paying attention, if you paid
attention in high school, junior high or college,
if you pay attention to those lessons, some
of the things are happening here where countries,
people in other countries, bad things happen to
them.
And we have a pattern going on here.
And so we need to stop it.
Continuously.
And I realize this is it.
This is what democracy looks like.
Which is we learned that if you paid
attention in school, yeah, I don't know what
school you went to.
But unfortunately, the scholastic system has let us
down and taught people some retarded things about
our republic, our constitutional representative republic.
It is not a democracy.
We just have to keep saying it now.
Bernie Sanders came out doing it.
No, President Trump, we don't want you king
to rule us.
But we will maintain our democratic form of
society.
No, we don't have a democratic form of
society.
This is the problem.
Now I realize they've just been taught a
complete different America.
I don't know if that's fixable, but dude,
like, get it together.
It doesn't seem like the left is mad
at the right.
They just hate Trump.
And I thought your newsletter was very on
point.
You know, the joke of it all is
that it's literally kings and monarchs who are
trying to destroy us with the North Sea
Nexus.
And then these people come up with no
kings.
It's, it's, it's, it's demented.
It's demented.
But the people themselves are okay.
But you know, your point, I have to
say, and it is something we keep forgetting,
or I, at least I have, and I
think maybe generally everyone has, which is that
we are a constitutional republic.
We're not a constitutional democracy.
No.
I've heard more than a couple of politicians
call us a constitutional democracy.
We're not.
Or, or Tulsi Gabbard saying a democratic republic.
No, no, we're not.
Get it straight.
That's wrong, too, that she says that.
They're all saying it because it's been drummed
into everyone.
Yeah.
That it is.
And so then we're losing our democracy, which
we don't have to begin with.
We are a republic.
And if they truly, nobody wants to.
We've been talking about this, by the way,
on this show for at least 15 years.
Yeah.
You're right, because it's so prevalent.
This is what I saw.
I didn't clip it.
Cory Booker.
This is what democracy looks like.
But that's not.
But the thing is, if this is what
democracy look like, then, OK, you lost.
Shut up.
So you want a democracy where the mob
rules, in this case, the Republicans rule, they
would be the mob.
And then if this is what democracy looks
like, then shut up, go home and wait
until you have the mob rule.
So it doesn't even make sense because that's
not what democracy looks like.
But actually, as you think about it, if
a bunch of people in the streets screaming
their heads off, including the we have to
hear the hey, ho, gotta go stuff.
Oh, I have two new ones.
Yeah, it's just like if that's what if
this is what democracy looks like, it's a
mess.
Exactly.
Who wants that?
This is a this was a very odd
one.
Yeah, I saw this one.
Get FEMA rhyme.
Get FEMA out of DHS.
And then what was this one?
Hey, hey, Donald J.
How many kids did you start today?
Hey, hey, Donald J.
How many kids did you start today?
Hey, hey, I'm not even sure what he's
saying.
How many kids?
Hey, hey, how many kids you just starve?
Oh, starve today.
Oh, OK, got it.
So, yeah, but otherwise, I was actually quite
happy, like, oh, by the way, when is
Trump starving kids?
Yeah, well, I don't know.
It must be Gazans, I guess.
Yeah, but but I like that.
You know, these I like the flags like
a lot of Americans with flags.
OK, there's a lot with the West Coast
coverage a little different than what you saw.
Well, there's a lot of Mexican flags and
a lot of hello, hello, hello.
I'm talking about America.
You no longer live in America.
That's close enough.
No, it's not close enough.
No.
All right.
What do you have?
What's this NPR stuff?
What do you have?
Well, this is the only the one summary
report that I thought was was interesting because
this is NPR's report on the I mean,
every news channel, they overcovered it, especially out
here.
Yeah.
And it was like, oh, look at this.
Look at that.
And there's just a bunch of people and
a lot of mostly old people, you know,
a lot of it's like the retirees all
came out of the woodwork.
Well, it always hurts to see the Vietnam
vets, you know, in these there's a couple
of those.
There's a lot of old, old, old, old,
unreconstructed hippie ladies that are, you know, I
hate to say it, but they're my age
and they just look dreadful.
They just look just horrible, horrible looking.
You could have gone out and you could
have scored, man.
That sounds like a paradise.
I'd still be itching.
So so this is this is to me
classic because it's NPR.
They want their funding back and they're and
they're I don't know what they're trying to
pull here.
But this is I consider this one of
the most slanted news coverage reports I've heard
for a while.
In rural Shenandoah County, Virginia, demonstrators packed a
quarter mile of sidewalk for the No King's
Rally against President Trump.
Randy Behege with member station WMRA has more.
The No King's gathering was part of a
seven month streak of weekly protests against the
Trump administration.
Here's one of the organizers, Dr. Mark Pierce.
The reason we are out here is to
give a message that we are not his
subjects.
Local resident Joan Griffin has been consistently protesting
here.
The fact that they are grabbing people who
are even American citizens off the street, the
cutting off of funding to universities and the
like for research.
And then I'm very disturbed by what is
the apparent destruction of the federal government.
More than 70 percent of voters in the
county cast their ballot for President Donald Trump
last year.
For NPR News, I'm Randy Behege in Woodstock,
Virginia.
And that's part of some 2500 marches around
the country today.
So they had seven million.
I'm looking at MSNBC now.
Seven million protesters.
OK, so you got two percent of the
country.
That's that's what democracy looks like.
You are in the minority.
Go home.
You lost.
Isn't that what democracy looks like?
Or OK, you're protesting.
It's fine.
I think a lot of people are just
protesting just because, well, it's the American thing
to do.
We protest, which I'm totally OK with.
I think there's a lot of socialization.
Oh, street.
I heard every report look more like a
street party.
Well, that's fine.
That's good.
No, I was I thought this was actually
a very American type of thing.
You know, Americans get very confused.
All of us do at some point and
go out and we're out there.
We're letting our voice be heard.
And in this case, all we have to
say is we hate Trump.
We hate his golden stuff.
But they know little about government or how
it works or what our Constitutional Republic is
really supposed to do, which is just protect
our rights as citizens and not much else.
Dismantling of the government.
I'm all for I think that that should
be the stance.
It's just it was interesting.
I the way the Mike Johnson or the
FAA is useless.
Johnson's useless National Guard.
No, no.
These were actually peace loving Americans who just
have no, you know, they have no they
get no poll on TikTok.
So, you know, let me go out with
some other people and I'll feel like I
don't know how they have to.
People don't even know how to use TikTok.
In fact, the thing that and if you
think about it, think about the images you've
seen of all the people out there, you
didn't see you saw very few of them
holding a phone.
Oh, interesting.
Well, how come you this is your people?
You should have been out there were my
people.
They didn't have a phone.
And it's like they were my age group,
which is I mean, it was just a
bunch of old farts, basically.
And they didn't have phones.
You didn't see anybody on their phones because
they were there were all this was a
retirement community.
Let go.
OK, everybody, let's hit the streets.
Here's 10 bucks.
Here's 10 bucks.
Here's some signs.
That's interesting.
Yeah, well, there was some younger people, but
it's just very few, but at least out
here, most of the images, imagery I saw
was very few young people and mostly middle
60 and up.
No phones, dumb.
They didn't know anything about what was going
on.
That's kind of the egregious part is that
they really just don't know much about our
system, how it's supposed to work.
It has been working.
You don't actually want a democracy that that
is the end of everything.
Just look at Europe.
These people.
I love the people say, oh, I'm going
to go live in Lisbon.
It's great there.
OK, all right.
Don't don't hang out too long.
Because it's all going to come crashing down.
Lisbon.
I'm going to Portugal.
It's the best.
No, not really.
You'll see.
So, yeah, I was pleased.
I have to say, I was just pleased
that it wasn't what it could have been
and what the Republican scaremongers told us it
would be.
You know, we've always had we've always had
dumb people in America.
We've always looked at other Americans.
I mean, that guy's crazy.
You know, we've had a lot of weird
things that we do that we get into,
like.
Jazzercise, we've had some odd ones.
You're wondering, it's kind of like you're just
kind of going off.
Yeah, I am.
I am jazzercise.
I was wondering where this is headed.
That's just nowhere straight into a.
Wow.
Straight into it.
I did have one clip from Don Lemon,
who now, if anyone's a problem, Don Lemon
and you should arm ourselves.
Yeah, that's the one.
It's like a great clip.
Now, by the way, I agreed with Don
Lemon.
Everybody should arm themselves.
Most people agree with Don Lemon.
Yeah.
It's just that his attitude about it is
wrong.
Black people, brown people of all stripes, whether
you're an Indian American or a Mexican American
or whoever you are, go out in your
place where you live and get a gun
legally, get a license to carry legally, because
when you have people knocking on your door
and taking you away without due process as
a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment
was written for?
Go back and read what the Second Amendment
says, and perhaps it will knock some sense
in the head, in the heads of these
people who are saying, well, it's all great.
I don't believe they're doing it without due
process.
They're asking people for papers.
They're not really beating people up.
These people are doing things that are illegal.
Nobody is illegal.
It is a misdemeanor to cross the border.
It's misdemeanor.
I love somehow the audio on him got
really fliffy.
He sounds better that way.
It's a misdemeanor.
You know, the other thing is, besides the
fact that he thinks misdemeanor is not breaking
the law, which we had in another clip,
but he lives in, I think he lives
in New York, if I'm not mistaken.
You can't get a gun in New York,
no matter what you think.
But so when I saw this, I did
question myself because I've seen some other posts
on the ex.
And I wonder, you know, because I live
in a predominantly white community in Texas, I
mean, am I missing something?
Am I missing American citizens who are brown
and black being rousted and arrested and asked
for their papers continuously?
I don't see a lot of video evidence
of it.
And you'd think you would see it if
that were happening.
Yes, that's a good point.
You know, where's the video evidence?
Yeah.
I mean, we've had enough of the kid
being zip tied.
We know what that was now.
And, you know, dragged out naked.
And but like I said on the last
show where, you know, the white liberals of
Austin are like, we need to do ice
training for when they come to take our
brown people.
There's just no evidence of it.
You know, no.
So I'd like to see that.
And I understand the empathy they have.
But, you know, this is what democracy looks
like.
The president was democratically elected.
Then he said he would do this.
And I think he's doing what he said
he would.
And going way beyond with these these these
boats, man, this is this is a North
Sea Nexus attack.
This is fantastic.
What the boats?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
President explain that one.
OK, as you said, and I agree with
you that these drug boats, this is all
drugs for Europe.
And I'm in complete agreement, knowing that in
particular, once something comes into the port of
Rotterdam, where most of the drugs come in,
you know, through whatever pipelines coming from Colombia,
coming from Venezuela.
Look, that's where the coke comes from.
That is their money.
That's the big, big money.
It's the banks are involved.
The politicians are involved.
Drugs is the business.
It's certainly the business of the Netherlands.
It's one of two things.
Either storing money for, well, three things, storing
money for big tech, which is tax free
because there's no tax on intellectual property, which
is which is why the Rolling Stones have
all their main offices there.
Or you're running mailbox accounts for Russian oligarchs
or you're in the drug trade.
I mean, it's it is a drug transport
haven.
It is a narco state.
And it's been that way for decades.
So, yeah, when you start to start to
take out boats.
Well, yeah.
And now, you know, you don't think Trump
is taking the boats out on the behest
of the of the kings?
No, no.
They're the ones taking the money messing with
them.
Yes.
Oh, 100 percent.
Absolutely.
That's why white supremacy, by the way.
What do you mean?
That's white supremacy to say 100 percent.
Oh, that's white supremacy.
Yeah.
Somebody said, have you been talking to the
kids again?
So it's white supremacy.
No, they didn't come up with somebody.
I wanted the MSNBC or somebody.
Oh, that's great.
So so let me see.
So I didn't even know this was going
on.
We have Operation Pacific Viper.
This is not even in the Mediterranean.
This is Operation Pacific Viper.
As Coast Guard has announced it has seized
more than 100,000 pounds of cocaine.
The seizures are part of Operation Pacific Viper.
It started in August in the eastern Pacific
Ocean, targeting drugs from Central and South America.
Officials say they are seizing 1600 pounds of
drugs daily.
Eighty six people have been arrested, suspected of
narco trafficking.
The Coast Guard says it is focusing on
drug smuggling routes in the eastern Pacific Ocean
and dismantling narco narco terrorist networks, which includes
Colombia.
The United States has struck yet another ship
in the Caribbean in a bragging post on
social media.
President Donald Trump posted this video claiming the
vessel was a drug carrying submarine.
U.S. intelligence confirmed this vessel was loaded
up with mostly fentanyl and other illegal narcotics.
There were four known narco terrorists on board
the vessel.
Two of the terrorists were killed.
One of the survivors was a 34 year
old Colombian who authorities say has been repatriated
and will be prosecuted for alleged drug smuggling.
Washington claims its unprecedented military campaign in the
Caribbean has so far killed at least 27
drug smugglers.
In Colombia, there is a different story.
Local media reported that one of the victims
from a recent attack was a fisherman whose
engine was switched off and had issued a
distress signal.
An enraged President Gustavo Petro shared the reports
on his own social media.
U.S. government officials have committed murder and
violated our sovereignty in our territorial waters.
Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to drug
traffickers and his daily activity was fishing.
The U.S. has been building its military
presence in the Caribbean and since September has
targeted at least six vessels, some from Venezuela.
Human rights experts have described the strikes as
extrajudicial killings.
Yeah, of course, that's the main narrative.
Like everybody's like, oh, this is illegal killing,
illegal killing.
Like what killing should be legal?
Oh, it's illegal killing.
And I guess because of the past couple
of days, CBS brought it all back in
a report about CIA in Venezuela.
In a dramatic new show of force, three
B-52 long range bombers flew for hours
yesterday off the coast of Venezuela.
Late today, the commander in charge of the
mission, Admiral Alvin Hoseley, abruptly stepped down, a
surprise move less than a year into the
job.
That's after President Trump told reporters he authorized
CIA operations in the country, prompting concern from
Democrats on Capitol Hill.
Starting wars that may spiral out of control
ought to be deeply alarming the American public.
There are now 10,000 troops in the
Caribbean, including eight warships and a submarine.
And new images show military helicopters, which could
carry special operations soldiers 90 miles off Venezuela's
coast.
We are certainly looking at land now because
we've got the sea very well under control.
The U.S. military took out another alleged
drug carrying boat this week, the fifth strike
in six weeks.
Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro has fired back against
the escalation, saying there will be no regime
change or CIA orchestrated coup.
President Trump has not explicitly called for regime
change, but the administration has made clear it
does not want Maduro to remain in power.
There's a $50 million reward for information leading
to his arrest for alleged drug trafficking.
Former U.S. Ambassador to Panama John Feeley
said Maduro has long been a problem for
the U.S. He is the nominal head
of a government that has been wholly captured
by organized crime in Venezuela.
And I think the problem is not even
so much, well, the drugs are the problem,
of course.
But we have to go back to the
Panama Papers.
That's how all the drug money was being
hidden.
And it's from, remember how many people had
money involved in the Panama Papers?
Everybody.
Yeah.
And people don't even know it.
I got a lot of money.
I give it to those guys.
Those guys did something with it.
You know, it's all stored offshore.
And this is the cartel.
And I think President Trump is bringing it
down.
Interestingly, or at least this is a start,
it's pretty big.
Interestingly, it's pretty big when you're bringing in
150,000 pounds of coke at a time.
It's 15,000 pounds a day.
How much cocaine is the American public consuming?
Well, you can sense a lot of it
by some of the people that you see,
even on podcasts.
I never noticed it.
That's your job.
That's your beat.
You notice the cocaine.
Yeah, I'm always surprised that you never picked
up on that.
You know, sometimes you could tell, just listen
to the guy talking, that maybe he's been,
something's wrong with his, he's got an adenoidal
solid.
Who?
Who?
Give me names.
We've got, they're all over the place.
It's like the number of people that you
hear that have the coke voice is, I'd
be saying it too often.
Oh, you know, that guy sounds like, you
can't keep accusing everybody being coked up.
But sometimes with these numbers I'm hearing, maybe
they are.
No, it's Europe.
Europe, everybody's doing coke in Europe.
I think you're wrong.
I think a good portion of the politicians
are coked up.
Oh, that's possible.
In this country.
No, I'm, well, they're just getting part of
the supply.
They're in the supply chain.
And by the way, as a former drug
user, I can just say cocaine is not
an excellent drug.
It sucks.
You know, weed, yeah, all right.
You know, I can go with that.
But cocaine, no, it's just a crappy drug.
Anyway, so Majuro, apparently, according to this journalist,
he said, what do you want?
I'll do anything you want.
Just stop it.
Make it stop.
Make it go away.
I didn't even know he had said that.
But this is what this journalist said, said
the president in a question.
It has been reported that Maduro offered everything
in his country, all the natural resources.
He even recorded a message to you in
English recently offering mediation.
What should we do to stop that?
He has offered everything.
He's offered everything.
You're right.
You know why?
Because he doesn't want to fuck around with
the United States.
Thank you, everybody.
Wow.
Yeah, that's that's big boy talk right there.
And then this this surprise, by the way,
I've heard that clip a dozen times, but
they've always bleeped out what he said.
Oh, well, that's no good.
And this, you know, this this head of
U.S. military for Latin American command or
whatever it is in a surprise move, he
has resigned.
Well, that's not entirely true.
It's the latest shakeup in the senior ranks
of the U.S. military under the Trump
administration.
The admiral who oversees operations in the South
Caribbean and Latin America will step down in
December, two years earlier than expected.
December.
It's not like he quit right away.
Like, you can't be killing people.
I quit.
I'm a military man.
We don't kill people.
I quit.
A military man.
We don't kill people.
That's a good line.
He's retiring early.
On behalf of the Department of War, we
extend our deepest gratitude to Admiral Alvin Halsey
for his more than 37 years of distinguished
service to our nation as he plans to
retire at year's end.
The New York Times reports a U.S.
official said Halsey raised concerns over attacks on
alleged drug boats and a source told Reuters
that there was tension between him and Secretary
Hegseth in the days leading up to the
moment.
On October 10th, Florida-based U.S. Southern
Command announced it would create a new joint
task force based in North Carolina to coordinate
future counter-narcotics operations in the Western Hemisphere.
The shakeup takes place in the backdrop of
U.S. military buildup and an escalation of
tensions with Venezuela.
Yeah, he's just connecting things.
I don't, I honestly don't think it's connected.
I think the guy's just tired.
He's like, eh, you know what, I'm getting
out early.
Oh no!
This is no good.
And France, man, France is in the crosshairs.
This got almost no press.
At least I didn't hear about it until
I came across this one clip.
France's biggest bank, BNP Paribas, forced to pay
millions of dollars because of its operations in
Sudan.
It's been found complicit in atrocities that took
place in the country in the early 2000s.
On Friday, a U.S. jury cited with
- Say what?
That was BNP Bank National Paris?
Yes.
That's a big bank.
It's the biggest.
It's the biggest one.
Well, listen to the accusation that they were
found guilty of.
It's been found complicit in atrocities that took
place in the country in the early 2000s.
On Friday, a U.S. jury cited with
three plaintiffs after hearing testimonies of their suffering
at the hands of Sudanese soldiers and militias.
Our clients lost everything to a campaign of
destruction fueled by U.S. dollars that BNP
Paribas facilitated and that should have been stopped.
The plaintiffs, two men and one woman, originally
from Sudan but now American citizens, said that
they had been tortured, burned with cigarettes, and
in the case of the woman, sexually assaulted
by Sudanese forces while former President Omar al
-Bashir was in power.
The plaintiffs argued the bank backed al-Bashir's
regime by giving it access to markets to
export resources, enabling it to buy weapons for
use against its population.
The war in Sudan killed 300,000 people
and displaced millions between 2002 and 2008, according
to the U.N. Attorneys for BNP Paribas
said it had no knowledge of the human
rights violations and that the plaintiffs would have
been abused or tortured despite the bank's operations
in the country.
Sudan would and did commit human rights crimes
without oil or BNP Paribas.
The plaintiffs will be awarded over $20 million.
Their lawyers say their case may open the
door for 20,000 other Sudanese refugees in
the U.S. to seek billions of dollars
in compensation from the French bank.
Not that we care much about Sudanese in
America.
I mean, I didn't see any protests about
the 300,000 dead people.
Nah.
Who cares?
No Jews.
No Jews to blame it on.
Here's, uh, you know, since...
That's right.
Bank National Paribas, I think, is what it's...
Yes.
The last...
The P stands for, yeah.
It's, uh, it's the biggest one.
And so they were...
You know...
Funding that guy.
I don't say, you know, they're doing banker
stuff.
They're giving money to people.
Exactly.
All wars are banker wars.
I'm...
No disagreement from me there.
And now...
Now we've got our boys.
Hey, France is weak.
I know.
Let's put in the call to the boys.
Down again to just one A.
Credits Ratings Agency Standard & Poor's has notched
France down to A+, one month after
Fitch did the same.
It means...
Yeah, from...
From double A...
From triple A to double A to A+.
That's way down.
That's horrible.
Yes.
They think the country will be slower to
repair its finances and repay its debts than
previously expected.
We expect policy uncertainty will affect the French
economy by dragging on investment activity and private
consumption and therefore on economic growth.
It's a slap in the face before France's
fractured parliament begins debating a new budget on
Monday.
The downgrade is an unusual move outside of
regular scheduled updates and came at the end
of a turbulent week in which Prime Minister
Sébastien Lecornu survived two no-confidence votes and
pledged to suspend a highly controversial pension reform.
Reacting to the rating, Finance Minister Roland Lescure
said it stressed the importance of approving a
budget by the end of the year.
The agency highlighted France's very good fundamentals.
We have a diversified economy, resilient growth and
a high level of savings, which is really
important.
As hard as passing a budget will be,
it's only the beginning.
SNP projects that France's debt will rise to
121% of GDP by 2028, 9%
more than last year.
Next Friday, fellow credit rater Moody's will reveal
whether they too are downgrading France.
Of course they will.
Of course they will because the other guys
did.
Yeah, of course.
The first one, that's why they did it
out of order.
They said it was not normal to do
it outside of their quarterly changes.
So they just jumped on board.
No, we're not going to.
No, we did it.
We did it already.
It's for the reputation of the standard and
poor.
It's the only reason they did it out
of the blue.
Of course.
Of course.
So Moody's will do it.
And so then the next thing it'll be
down to an A.
Yeah, and of course, I mean, we have
125% debt to GDP, I think.
But we have our own money.
No, we don't have 125%.
What is it?
No, it's way below that.
It's over 100, but it's not 125.
Oh, I thought I was the...
People always told me it's 125.
No, no.
No?
Ask the robot.
All right, let me ask the robot.
Hold on a second.
Hello, robot.
Where are you?
Where's my robot?
What is the current U.S. debt to
GDP ratio?
A GDP ratio usually means a figure...
I don't need it.
I don't need a lesson in GDP.
I'll try it again.
What is the current United States GDP to
debt ratio?
The current United States debt to GDP ratio
is about 119%, meaning total debt's a bit
over 36 trillion.
Okay, well, so she says 119.
All right, so it wasn't way below.
No, well, I thought it was less than
119.
Way below.
So it wasn't way below.
It's just below.
Yeah, but they don't control their own money.
They don't get to print it.
They don't control it.
Yes, that's a big difference.
They may have a French lady running the
show, but I don't think she has any
affinity towards France per se.
She's an international banker.
So, yeah, you know, meh.
I think...
Yeah, they're screwed.
Yeah, I think the war is on.
This is Greece all over again.
Well, Greece was a little worse, and it
was their own people, their own European brethren
doing it to them, you know?
Which, of course, should bring us to what's
happening in Ukraine, because that is the next
step.
I have a couple of clips on this.
I have some analysis.
Yes, I have some analysis too.
We'll go with your analysis first.
Yes.
Go with my analysis first.
Yes.
Yeah, clip one.
Oh, well, I thought you have no leading.
You're just like, you're not going to tell
me where the clip is from.
No, because these clips are from the Ukraine
analysis.
Yeah, but who, where are they from?
What is it?
What is it about?
These are from NPR.
It may even be Scott Simon's boys.
Oh, jeez.
If it's Scott Simon, I'll be mad.
There we go.
President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine
to stop fighting in their current position.
I warned you.
This is an outrage.
Because you didn't get to play the Scott
Simon jingle.
Exactly.
Suffer and succotash.
I'm Scott Simon.
President Trump says he wants Russia and Ukraine
to stop fighting in their current positions and
start setting up a ceasefire.
He made the comments Friday after a two
-hour meeting in the Oval Office with Ukraine's
President Zelensky, who told reporters that he agreed.
He is right.
President is right.
We have to stop where we are.
This is important to stop where we are
and then to speak.
Getting there, however, remains a challenge, and Ukrainians
say largely because of Russia.
NPR's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakissis in Kyiv joins
us.
Joanna, thanks for being with us.
Thanks for having me on the show, Scott.
How are Ukrainians reacting to President Trump's latest
proposal to end the war?
Well, Scott, Ukrainians certainly want a ceasefire.
They want an end to the war, which
Russia started.
And they certainly see that this is a
war of attrition.
And Russia is larger and has more resources.
In Kyiv, we spoke with Vladislav Havrylov, who
investigates Russian war crimes here.
And here's how he put it.
He's saying that the war is depleting Ukraine,
that there are not enough people or resources
or emotional bandwidth to keep fighting indefinitely.
However, like many Ukrainians, he says that a
ceasefire favoring Russia would only open Ukraine to
future Russian attacks.
Now, has President Zelensky tried to convince the
Trump administration that accommodating Russia is not going
to lead to peace?
So, Scott, before I get into that, let
me point out that Russia actually began its
war on Ukraine back in 2014, seizing parts
of the south and east.
Now, Russia agreed to previous ceasefires during that
stage of the war, but repeatedly violated the
terms.
And then in 2020, Russian forces tried to
invade all of Ukraine.
So Zelensky told reporters in Washington that to
make a current ceasefire work, you need to
strengthen Ukraine and force Russian President Vladimir Putin
into concessions.
OK, a couple of things.
First, interesting that this started when Russia took
over Crimea.
Forget all the other stuff that happened in
2014.
By the way, it turns out Boris —
Forget the fact that this is what democracy
looks like.
They voted.
The public voted in a democratic fashion in
Crimea and voted for the Russians to take
over.
That's what democracy looks like.
No, that's not what democracy looks like because
it's not right.
It turns out Boris Johnson, when he went
in to stop the peace negotiations, he brought
in one of his big donors to his
outfit, his organization.
And once the peace process was stopped, that
guy donated a million pounds.
Just one of those little irritating little things
that pops up.
The second thing, you know what I'm missing?
Besides endless war footage of all the people
being killed in Ukraine, I know it's available.
Please don't email me and say it's on
Telegram.
I know.
I'm talking about mainstream visuals.
We've had it of everything.
Of all the wars that are important to
television, they show it.
So this one is just not important.
And what I never see or hear is
men on the street.
Can I hear one Ukrainian voice just once?
I don't ever hear a Ukrainian person speaking
about what they think about what's going on.
It's always some analyst.
I have seen and heard this.
Well, then we need to bring some clips
because I'm skeptical.
I don't see any of it.
Well, you're saying that the whole war is
a scam, is a fake?
No, I'm saying that they're not being honest
about it.
And maybe the Ukrainians are really sick and
tired of this.
And it's not just, well, you know, it's
hard to get people to fight.
I'm not going to argue against that because
they should be.
Yes, I'm sure they are.
Sure, they are.
All right, let's go to clip two.
For us, all the signals from Russians, they
are not new, but we count on President,
on his pressure on Putin to stop this
war.
And by pressure, he means additional U.S.
sanctions or supplying Ukraine with American weapons like
the Tomahawk cruise missile, which can hit targets
deep inside Russia.
I'm also, I got to stop here.
Why do we not have protests against these
completely misnomered, misnamed weapons?
They should, I mean, isn't.
You mean by the Native Americans?
Yes, yes.
By the indigenous people?
Yes.
Bitching and moaning about the Tomahawk missile?
Yes.
What do Tomahawks do?
Do they scalp the enemy?
I mean, this is this is an outrage
that we keep calling them Tomahawks on NPR.
But the Trump administration has not agreed to
either.
Can President Zelensky do anything more to convince
him?
Well, that's not clear because.
He can do a dance.
You know, Ukrainians often see their diplomatic efforts
fall apart after Trump talks with Putin, which
he did before Zelensky's visit.
And Zelensky, by the way, has spent months
working on his relationship with Trump, which got
off to a very rocky start at the
beginning of the year.
Ukraine has also signed a minerals deal with
the Trump administration.
Zelensky offered cutting edge drones in exchange for
maybe some Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Ukrainian diplomacy did seem to pay off last
month when Trump suggested Russia was weak and
Ukraine could even win this war.
But Zelensky walked away Friday with not much
of anything.
And Trump said he will meet with Putin
soon in Hungary.
Do Ukrainians tend to believe that President Trump
alone can convince Russia to agree to a
ceasefire?
Well, that's interesting you ask that, Scott.
I have some man on the street interviews
from actual Ukrainians.
And here's what they have to say.
You know, some Ukrainians are skeptical.
I spoke with Oleksandr Kraev of the Ukrainian
Prizm Foreign Policy Council in Kyiv.
And he said Trump won't be able to
negotiate any kind of ceasefire involving Russia without
China, which supports Russia politically and financially.
But that wasn't the question Scott wanted to
know about Ukrainians.
And you give us some consul guy.
See, this is this is what bothers me.
There's some guy who runs an NGO.
Yeah, they're just playing games.
OK, well, what's the last one?
Short.
This is short.
Short.
China is the only one who can influence
Russia to stop hostilities and to stop the
attacks and to stop the war as it
is.
So basically, without substantial push from China and
without substantial push from the United States on
China in order to push on Russia, I
don't think anything will be done.
He says the next steps might be clear
after China and the U.S. fight out
their trade war.
Turns out that the Ukrainians speak perfect English,
but we don't have any men on the
street.
OK, so I have a few clips here
of Zelensky in D.C. And what was
different is this was more like a board
meeting.
So I found the setting to be interesting.
This wasn't a come and sit down in
front of my gold fireplace.
This was a come on.
I want you to come into the boardroom
here.
Volodymyr, why don't you sit down and why
don't you tell us what you want?
U.S. President Donald Trump is backing off
on providing Ukraine with long range Tomahawk missiles,
something his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky is still
lobbying hard to receive.
Ukraine has such thousands of our production drones,
but we don't have Tomahawks.
That's why we need Tomahawks.
But the United States is a very strong
production.
And the United States has Tomahawks and other
missiles, very strong missiles.
But they can have our thousands of drones.
That's why where we can work together, where
we can strengthen American production.
This is hilarious.
Hey, man, we got awesome drones.
Give us some Tomahawks.
What kind of deal is that?
We don't want the Tomahawks.
That's ridiculous.
I mean, the drones.
It's just it's like, oh, we have thousands
of drones.
Why don't you stick them up your butt?
We don't need the drones.
What do we use drones for?
Other than to terrorize our own people over
New Jersey.
Well, that that'll be later later.
Well, so the thing the other thing is,
we you know, there's got to be at
least in the meetings without without without Vladimir,
where they where they they say, you know,
if he gets a hold of these Tomahawks,
he's going to send one right into the
Kremlin.
Of course.
Well, actually, there's a little more to the
Tomahawk business.
But first, let's go to my boy, my
boy from Candanavia, Rassoulis, Andrew Rassoulis.
I got a rundown from him.
Once you haven't heard from him for a
couple of weeks because it wasn't interesting.
But now it's interesting again.
So they get him back in.
And of course, what happened in the backdrop
of all this is the Trump Putin phone
call.
Well, certainly the conversation that he had with
Putin, that Putin's request on Thursday seemed to
make a very significant impact on Trump.
We saw that display in yesterday's meeting with
Zelensky in the open news part where we
could actually watch the conversation.
And I watched Trump very carefully.
And he seemed to me to be very
convinced, not that there was a guarantee at
achieving a peace settlement, but that there was
a real prospect, which is why he's going
now this distance to a bilateral summit with
Putin in Hungary and maybe about four weeks
from now.
We'll have to see sometime in November, I
would imagine.
But there was a shift.
I mean, so the Russians said something or
Putin said something to Trump in those two
and a half hours that we, of course,
do not know what that was.
But we know by based on Trump's reaction
that Putin must have convinced him based on
two, probably two tracks.
One is something about the Ukraine war that
maybe there's some movement possible from the Russian
side and to the bilateral side.
This is the ongoing American and Russian attempts
to rebuild the bilateral relationship, which is very
important to both Trump and Putin.
Anyways, all that led to Trump being convinced
it's worth a shot and diplomacy is back
on the track.
OK, so something happened.
We don't know exactly what.
And I think it has to do with
the with the previous clips because he didn't
put two and two together here.
But I'm going to do it.
OK, I think it has something to do
with China.
Well, he actually does go into this in
a in a later clip here.
But first, we need to talk about the
tomahawks.
And again, I mean, I think it was
almost more insulting to have Volodymyr Zelensky sitting
there saying, hey, man, I got a thousand
drones.
Give me some tomahawks.
I mean, even price wise, it doesn't make
any sense.
But the tomahawk turnaround is is on deck
here.
Well, I think the turnaround is predominantly diplomatic.
I mean, yes, the United States has to
maintain its stockpile.
And there was never any talk, even when
Trump was suggesting that they might sell tomahawks
to Ukrainians.
The numbers floated in the press were like
10, 15, very small numbers and not all
that significant in the battlefield context.
You would need hundreds of these missiles to
really be effective strategically.
They need to be fired in salvos and
so on.
So there was always this limitation from Trump.
He was, I think, mostly using it as
a kind of a rhetorical push against the
Russians.
And it may have succeeded because he got
a phone call on Thursday from Putin.
So I thought that to be interesting.
I don't know much about the tomahawk missiles,
but I guess that they're not just good
just having like 10 of them.
You got to have hundreds of them in
order for them to be effective.
Well, that's what he said.
That's what he said.
I know, but that's not the case.
It's a cruise missile.
Well, don't they need hundreds of cruise missiles?
They used to use them in the Middle
East from the side.
They shot them off of ships and it'd
be one shot off.
And then another, there'd be like two.
And they go all, I think those are
the things that may have hit one of
the Iranian nuke plants.
You don't have hundreds of them.
They don't even, I don't even know if
we have that many.
We were bitching and moaning that we haven't
got enough tomahawks.
It's not like a little bitty thing.
It's a big giant missile.
Yeah, subsonic cruise missile.
Yeah, and it floats around, loaded the ground
so the radar can't catch it.
So they can't stop it with like their
own Russian Iron Dome?
There is no Russian Iron Dome.
Well, how do you know?
We've never tried it.
Well, we don't want to find out by
sending a cruise missile to Moscow.
Obviously, you don't want this dancer to have
any tomahawks.
That's obvious.
That's just no good.
No, it's no good.
Even if there was a deal on deck,
we're not going to do that.
And I think you have to have US
guidance in order to use those.
I don't think they just light the fuse
and go, all right, put your fingers in
your ears.
Put their hands over their ears.
I don't think that's how it works.
So, of course, we had the bilateral coming
up in Budapest, and there could be some
issues with the European nations.
Oh, they will.
I mean, there will be certain countries that
will insist on what they would say, the
rule of law and the adherence to the
International Criminal Court.
On the other hand, it's well known these
provisions can be waived for special circumstances.
And it can be waived to achieve a
diplomatic meeting.
That is certainly within the construct of the
law.
So exemptions are permissible.
And so he would have to get a
flight plan and so on.
If you look at the map, I did
a quick look.
Black Sea to Mediterranean international airspace.
You'd have to cross Slovenian airspace and then
Austrian airspace to get to Hungary.
Those would be the minimum amount of European
countries that would have to grant him airspace
privileges.
But I think under the circumstances, I would
be surprised to find those countries or any
other countries really stand in the way.
All right.
Well, I do have the latest out of
Brussels.
This is the second don't to Queen Ursula,
cautiously welcoming the Putin-Trump meeting in Budapest.
The European Commission has cautiously welcomed the announcement
of a summit between the American and Russian
presidents to find a solution to the war
in Ukraine.
The meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin
could take place within two weeks in Budapest,
although no further details are available at the
moment.
What I want to convey from the European
Commission point of view and from President von
der Leyen's point of view, first to repeat
that any meeting that moves forward the process
of achieving a just and lasting peace for
Ukraine is welcome.
The location of the meeting is politically significant.
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban is seen as
close to Donald Trump as well as to
Vladimir Putin.
Furthermore, Viktor Orban is at odds with the
European Union regarding its stance on the war
in Ukraine.
Cautiously, cautiously.
I think that was an interesting clip, the
previous one, about how it's illegal actually to
have Putin go to Budapest.
Yeah.
Because he's indicted by the International Criminal Court,
which is part of the EU, and so
they have to arrest him.
Well, no, I think what he said is
that they can...
No, then he said that they can get
an exception.
Yes, exactly.
Which has to be done in writing or
just somebody says it or the whole thing
bullcrap.
In triplicate with carbon copy paper.
All right, we got some stamps here.
All right, you're good to go.
You've got passage.
And then Queen Ursula, this was puzzling to
me.
This is her response to the, let's put
ceasefire in big quotes, since it seems to
be still some firing going on in Israel,
between Israel and the Gazans.
War is over, so I guess now it's
time for Europe to do something.
The devastating war in Gaza has now come
to an end, marking a pivotal moment not
only for Gaza, but also for the European
Union and the wider Mediterranean, marking the moment
when the future of the region is being
rewritten.
Europe has a stake in shaping a future
of peace and prosperity, because this is our
common region and we want to play our
part as partners.
And this is our commitment to our shared
Mediterranean home.
Our shared Mediterranean home?
When did this happen all of a sudden?
Probably during the Eurovision song contest.
So they have the whole system for it.
In an increasingly competitive and contested global economy,
our economic ties with our southern neighbours have
already grown stronger.
Trade between the European Union and the rest
of the Mediterranean has increased by over 60
% in the last five years.
Our value chains are more and more interconnected,
so we should work on a deeper integration.
We should simplify making business with each other
and we should create new ties between our
industries, our universities, our institutions.
This is why today we are making a
clear offer to our neighbours.
Let us create a common Mediterranean space with
the goal of progressive integration between the two
of us.
And this is the essence of the Pact
of the Mediterranean.
The Pact of the Mediterranean?
See, this is exactly what Trump knows isn't
a good idea.
Let the Arabs run the place.
Well, they're doing a pretty bad job.
Some breaking news this hour.
The Israeli military has confirmed that fighter jets
carried out airstrikes in the Rafah area of
southern Gaza on Sunday.
The army says the strikes were in response
to attacks by Hamas militants on Israeli troops.
The militant group Hamas has so far not
commented on these strikes.
Meanwhile, the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and
Egypt is still closed.
It had been hoped that aid trucks could
start using the crossing from Monday, but Israel's
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says it will remain
closed until further notice, adding its reopening will
depend on Hamas handing over the bodies of
the remaining deceased hostages.
Israel says it has identified both bodies of
two deceased hostages that Hamas has handed over
on Saturday night.
Hamas has so far returned the remains of
12 identified bodies out of 28 deceased hostages.
So what happens now?
Here's the problem.
These guys died maybe over a year ago,
and they started stinking up the place.
They buried them all over Gaza.
There's a bunch of corpses.
And so they're using bulldozers, they say, to
have to dig up trying to roll these
guys out of the graves.
They're not like in a coffin.
And so they got a bunch.
You know, they're not going to get all
28 of them because most of them are
decomposed.
I know, but that wasn't the part of
the report I was focusing on.
Oh, no, but the part of the report
I was focusing on was the guy says,
because the Israelis are making a big fuss
about where's our dead bodies.
Yes, I understand.
But that's not why they were fighting.
Apparently, Hamas is still shooting at the IDF
behind the yellow line or whatever it is.
Yeah, so seen yellow, the magical yellow.
Right.
But don't we have where the Arab troops
there to go and stop and say, well,
that's the question.
And the Indonesians are supposed to be there.
You know, they should have.
These guys should have been there by now.
Well, it doesn't seem like they're there yet.
Yeah, I agree with that, too.
Yeah.
So but they're never going to get these
bodies back.
Most of them are dissolved.
That was that was probably a little trick.
The the Benjamin Netanyahu had up his sleeve,
I would never get it back so we
can go and strike him again.
I, I believe that's a possibility.
Yeah, which is not not Netanyahu is just
not, you know, he's he's out of control.
Yeah, he just announced he's running again.
I don't think he's got the.
Well, you know, the public is so irked
by him.
If he gets in again, then I have
to say the elections in Israel are rigged.
Yeah, I agree.
But who will get in is is the
is the question.
If he doesn't get in, who will it
be?
I don't know.
Probably some Jew.
So speaking of Jews, there's it seems to
be quite a problem with the with the
upcoming soccer match, the football match.
In Birmingham.
And this whole thing is a mess.
Here's the report.
This is GBN, so take it for the
slant they have.
Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have been banned from
Aston Villa's Europa League clash in Birmingham over,
quote, safety fears.
Many residents have raised concerns about the football
match, which is due to take place on
the 6th of November.
Maccabi Tel Aviv.
We've all seen those harrowing images from Amsterdam.
I've started a petition to boycott Maccabi Tel
Aviv.
There is no space for violence or any
thugs to come into Aston or indeed Birmingham.
That is why I urge everyone to sign
up to this petition.
Boycott Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Yes.
So Jews aren't safe in Birmingham.
Aston Villa Football Club were Jews playing Maccabi
Tel Aviv in the Europa League.
That was local MP Ayub Khan, one of
the infamous Gaza gang.
And he did that ridiculous video.
And then now this has happened, hasn't it?
This is a statement from West Midlands police.
This decision is based on current intelligence and
previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime
offences that occurred during the 2024 Europa League
match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel Aviv in
Amsterdam.
OK, it's not really about safety.
We all know what this is about.
We all know.
And today the government released this statement.
You have to step up in relation to
defeating anti-Semitism.
Action is what matters.
And we're absolutely committed to that.
The discussion we've had this morning was not
about words.
It was about what are the actions that
are going to follow through from this.
It's amazing.
The Keir Starmer doesn't know whose side to
be on now.
They're like, well, you know, we don't want
to have problems with the Jews, but we
don't, you know, you can't really come.
Well, you can, you can't.
And of course, all of these cities have
become completely overrun with Muslims.
And the Brits are tired of it.
This is Matt Goodwin.
He's a conservative journalist.
Again, GBN.
Keir Starmer says he is shocked by the
events in Birmingham, where police supported by local
independent Muslim politicians have banned Jewish football fans,
fans of the Maccabi Tel Aviv team from
coming to Birmingham, our second major city.
This is a national disgrace.
This is absolutely appalling.
But I have a question.
Why is Keir Starmer shocked?
This Muslim sectarianism is exactly what the Labour
government and Keir Starmer have enabled for many,
many years.
It was the Labour Party that gave us
a policy of mass uncontrolled immigration while not
even bothering to integrate our communities.
It was the Labour Party that recognised Palestine
at exactly the wrong time.
The Labour Party that allowed the pro-Hamas,
pro-Palestine hate marches on the streets of
our major cities with no pushback at all
from the police.
It was the Labour Party that mainstreamed two
-tier policies in our police forces, encouraging them
to prioritise some minorities over others.
And it was the Labour Party that simultaneously
berated millions of people in this country for
being racist, for being far-right, when they
highlighted to some of the problems that we
can now see very clearly in cities like
Birmingham.
Keir Starmer and the Labour government are now
only just beginning to see the downstream effects
of the policies they have been promoting for
much of the last 30 years.
It's a national disgrace.
Jews should be able to go wherever they
want in Britain.
There should be no no-go zones for
Jews in this country.
It's absolutely shameful.
Yeah, well, it is what it is, Britain.
No-go zone.
Yeah, no-go zone for Jews.
No Jews here!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which brings us to that hate note we
got.
Which one?
There's a couple of them.
The good ones.
Yeah, some good ones.
What was the one?
I mean, here's what I get.
John blocked me, so I'm going to email
you, Adam, and tell you how much I
hate John.
I get that all the time.
Yes, no, I know you blocked this guy.
I know you blocked him.
Oh, I may have blocked him, but it's
not because of anything he said.
Well, I block a few people.
There's just nuisances.
I block a nuisance.
Well, I mean, I'll read it to you.
Well, this email was blocked as well.
Looks like I've made it on the John's
block list.
There should be an award for that.
There should be a judge.
Hey, maybe for a donation of 500 bucks,
you can be on the block list.
I could use another email address, but it
seems clear that John would rather not deal
with constructive criticism, hence his go-to choice
of a red herring or straw man fallacious
argument in response to constructive criticism, rather than
dealing slash growing slash improving regarding an issue
when he's wrong.
And this was the guy about the warrant
versus weren't.
That's the guy.
I mean, I don't know why you blocked
him, because you did.
I don't remember.
You know, I may have blocked him after
that last one.
It's just one.
It's the same note.
He sends it over and over and over
and over and over.
And I did.
I don't like getting into a dialogue with
people that keep repeating themselves and they keep
belaboring the point that I say, OK, fine,
you're right about it.
Dramatically, but I didn't think it was funny.
This guy wrote about saying I shouldn't have
said when I wrote the script for Cronkite
saying if I wasn't dead, I'd like this
show.
And he says, no, it should be if
I were weren't dead.
And I said that it's not going to
be.
It's just not funny.
As funny as saying wasn't.
And he said, well, that may be true.
But it's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
And the back and forth and back and
forth and back and forth blocked.
Why don't you just ignore the emails?
Just ignore them.
You don't have to answer everything.
But when you block someone, it's an aggressive
move.
And in today's day and age, it's seen
as, you know what, from now on, I'm
going to there's another mechanism that this system
uses called a black hole.
Put him in the black hole.
And I just put him in the black
hole.
OK, I can already predict the emails I'm
getting.
Well, looks like I got put in John's
black hole.
So I'm going to email you about how
mad I am at him.
It's amazing.
Although I did get a good one today.
I got a fun one.
There was a there was a letter that
it was better.
The one that would bitch about us not
liking Tucker's commentary.
Well, no.
OK, yes.
But I predicted that would happen.
I'm right.
And I sent you a note back saying
you were dead on on this.
But that note is worth reading.
If I could find it.
Yeah, I can find it.
It's what happened to you guys?
That's the one.
When it always starts off, you would get
these notes from people that what happened?
So just to reiterate, you brought in kind
of rather oldish clips from Tucker with Sam
Altman.
And we were literally deconstructing the reason for
this, what he was doing, what it was
about.
And I think our deconstruction was pretty spot
on.
It's like this was you know, this is
what you do.
You need inventory.
You got to create stuff.
You got a name.
You got Altman.
You talked about his language being actionable.
What else was there to say?
Well, apparently we did it all wrong.
I tried listening to the latest episode today,
but couldn't even finish it.
Not a Tucker Carlson fan in particular.
Barely even watch his show.
But what you call media deconstruction right now
is just shitting on someone's character because of
emotional disdain.
What's the emotional?
What emotional disdain?
I don't know of any emotional disdain that
we have.
Emotional disdain towards Tucker?
I don't think so.
There was literally nothing of substance you two
had to say about that Altman interview except
shitting on Tucker.
Oh, he's accusing him.
He just wants views.
I remember you two doing the same thing
when commenting on the interview he did with
Ted Cruz.
Zero substance.
100% disdain.
It's like you two have Tucker derangement syndrome
or something.
What I like about it is he starts
it off by using the concept that I
never listened to Tucker.
I'm not a big fan.
Yet all he's doing is defending Tucker.
The letter may have come from Tucker.
But this is what's puzzling to me because
as I said, because I said, hey, you're
going to do anything about a podcast.
We're going to get hate mail because it's
like shooting inside the tent, man.
And I think we literally did media deconstruction.
You said, hey, it's media.
And so he says, if you want to
do actual media deconstruction, how about you go
over his talking points?
Maybe try to debunk them or see what
his sources are.
What is that?
That sounds like journalism.
We don't do that.
But we literally talked about every single talking
point Tucker had.
That would be actually interesting to listen to.
He says that would actually be interested to
listen to.
But I won't pick.
Instead, you two bicker about his ads.
No, we didn't.
We just say that's what it's about.
If this is the level you two have
sunk to, it's no wonder he makes better
quality content than you.
In fact, it would be hard not to.
You two are in desperate need of a
reality check.
I already stopped my donation some time ago
exactly because of the behavior and bizarre out
of touch takes like that.
Please get your act together.
So some of us with common sense and
above average emotional intelligence can actually enjoy the
show again.
I think he wants second half of show
back.
I think that's what he's saying.
Yeah, more flying saucer stuff.
It would be widely appreciated because I have
fond memories of what no agenda used to
be.
And if I didn't think you had it
in you, I wouldn't be writing this message.
We have gone through this so many times.
Whenever we have a different take on something,
which isn't the the the narrative of the
podcast, then we get these kinds of notes.
And it's OK.
And you know what?
You don't have to donate.
You know, it's like it's fine.
I doubt if he ever donated.
But I think he did.
I've been around long enough to know people
that say, well, I said you canceled my
subscription.
I've unsubscribed from your podcast.
I did like this one that came in.
Dear Adam, two things.
One, I cannot stop singing the secretary general
song to myself.
It is by far the same problem.
Wait, she says it is by far the
most powerful jingle ever used on the shore
on the show, even more than Dvorak dot
org slash N.A. So she likes the
show, likes the jingle.
And by the way, the whole point of
a jingle is to be an earworm so
that it sticks in your head.
And if you're singing our jingles, that's success
to me.
Two, I, I, I firmly believe that John
and his family are hoodwinking you with this.
Be nice to John stuff either.
Either they.
This is good.
Either they are creating multiple email addresses or
whatever, or otherwise planting seeds.
I like John very much, but he's very
mean to you.
And she has some examples.
If you come up with a joke, he
jabs you and says, where did you get
that from?
You didn't write it.
Even on the last episode, you mentioned knowing
where the triangle in San Francisco is.
And he said, you must have looked it
up.
That's some serious.
I didn't do that.
Yes, you did.
Well, you must have looked it up.
Yes.
Oh, you say that all the time.
You looked it up.
That's some serious treating you like a beta
male.
Meanwhile, John does the, John does those long
periods of silence.
Instead of commenting on your clips, he just
tells you to play his clips.
Also, you put.
Did you write, Tina wrote this.
Also, you put so much work into making
the show sound professional and he talks while
you play the jingles, blows his nose, turns
his headphones up, which you don't wear, which
is probably him being professionally contrarian, but he's
gone off the rails.
And it just seems mean.
Yes, there have been times, especially back in
the weed days when you are too touchy.
But overall, there's not an issue with the
way you treat John, in my opinion, is
an issue in the way he treats you.
Well, there you go.
So I'm being victim blames that I agree.
I agree.
She's spot on spot on with that.
All right, people, you know what to do.
Oh, man, that's great.
And if anything, these notes keep it going
for me.
I did get one other note about the,
you know, the video versus audio.
Oh, we still get I got a I
got a I ended up chatting with Brunetti
about this.
Well, I'm more interested in that.
What did he say?
Oh, you know, it was the same lecture
that we get about, oh, you know, the
reason you want to do he said and
he was just coming from a meeting with
some guy at a bar.
So I'm wondering how it would kind of
I was he was he was lucid.
He was plastered.
Yeah, well, maybe.
But he did say that, you know, you
can get to you get to the audience
bill.
It's about the audience.
You get the audience because you get these
mini clips and the clips get out there
on the YouTubes.
And you did two guys.
He says, I know it's he he kind
of like the idea.
But at the same time, he couldn't sell
it to me.
No, of course he can't, because he wants
people to watch his movies that he doesn't
want them to be watching clips of his
movies.
So like, well, I saw the clips.
That's what happened to South Park.
No, I saw you didn't watch.
You didn't even watch South Park when Trump
was sleeping with the devil.
I saw enough clips.
I don't need to watch it.
That's right.
It's true.
The clips.
Yeah.
In fact, most of the Joe Rogan stuff
is now just clips.
Absolutely.
Megyn Kelly, the Joe Rogan meme, where Joe
Rogan says, hey, go to that video.
This is the best thing I've seen forever.
And then they say random video.
Yeah.
It's not even from the show.
I do want to point out that if
you go to being it.io, which is
powered by Clip Genie, you can specifically make
a clip.
You can highlight the text in the transcript
and make a shareable clip right on the
spot.
So it's not true.
It's just not true.
You can do this, do this.
But this producer was saying, you know, you
don't know about the learning pyramid.
The cone of learning.
Did I see this?
Was I CC'd on this?
Yeah, I think I CC'd you on it.
Because I remember something about the.
It was hard.
I could not get through what he.
I did.
I think I sent a note back.
Maybe you're right.
If I could ever figure out what you
said.
Well, I think what he was saying is
that the learning cone or the learning pyramid
basically works like this.
80% retention, practice by doing hands-on
activity, 70% by discussion with others, 50
% by demonstration, watching someone else do it,
30% watching videos, 20% reading, and
the lowest 10% is by listening.
And my point was, we are actually doing
something at the top of the learning pyramid.
We are teaching people to listen because there's
no video.
As you explained on the last show, because
there's no video, you are forced to listen
and you hear a lot more.
You hear, we hear stuff that we didn't
hear even while we were clipping it.
Yeah.
Sometimes the third time, I've more than once,
I have clipped something.
I go, this is good.
I clip it and then I produce it
to put on the show.
Then when I hear it on the show
for the third time, maybe the fourth, I
pick up something new.
Yeah.
Happens all the time.
Exactly.
So.
Yeah.
You're not distracted by Newsome wiggling his shoulders
around and doing some jerk-off moves where
it looks like he's jacking off two horses.
That kind of thing.
Wow.
Okay.
I didn't see that one coming.
Two horses.
So there's been some updates on the Gen
Z revolutions that I want to get into
because we have a lot of Gen Zers
in the audience.
I'm very proud to have these.
They are the good Zeds.
They are the winners.
They are the future generation of winners.
But I was astounded.
There's a game show called The Floor.
Are you familiar with this game show?
Yeah.
I'm very familiar with it.
You're familiar with it?
Yeah.
I've seen it a couple of times.
What is it on?
Where does it air?
I believe it's either on Fox.
I think it's on Fox, but it could
be on ABC, but I think it's Fox.
Let me see.
Yes.
Fox.
Rob Lowe?
He hosts it?
Rob Lowe?
Yep.
Rob Lowe hosts it.
Funny enough, it's an original Dutch game show.
How about that?
That makes sense.
The premise of the show never made any
sense to me.
I watched it.
It's very spectacular to watch.
What is the premise of the game show?
It's a trivia show, isn't it?
Yeah.
They ask you these questions.
Then you have to get a line on
the floor and the floor lights up.
It's one of these highly produced game shows.
It's an Endemol show is what it is.
It sounds like it.
Endemol.
John the Mole.
The guy who does all those things.
Big Brother.
All that stuff is from him.
Well, whatever it is, it's visually stimulating.
Okay.
Visually stimulating.
So they have a contest as part of
it.
I've not watched it.
I'm going to have to watch this show
now.
You're not going to like it.
Well, so I was sent this clip.
I could not for the life of me
find the original.
This is recorded from TV.
So I fixed the sound somewhat.
You'll get the idea.
It's not all that bad in this case.
And so there's two contestants, one on the
left, one on the right.
And on the screen, they flash up clocks.
Like a church tower clock.
Then there's a digital clock showing 19.30
instead of 7.30. And literally, the object
of the game between these two human beings,
adult human beings, is to tell me what
time it is by reading the clock.
10.10. 12.
12 o'clock.
Wait, what?
5.
5 o'clock.
11.30. That is 2.55, or 1
.55. 2.55. 2.50?
1.50. 9 o'clock.
That is 5.
That's 5.10. So in what world would
you ever expect to live where there would
be a game show where adult human beings
were tested on their ability to read clock?
That's unbelievable.
And then they also had the 24-hour
clock digital, which would confuse most people.
And that was tough, yes, because it said
19.30. 7.30. 7.30. Got it.
7.30. I mean, huh?
Huh?
That is, to me, maybe I'm just an
old fuddy-duddy.
You are.
But that really surprised me.
It surprised me.
It's ludicrous.
Now, are you familiar with the 6-7?
The what?
6-7, baby.
6-7?
You're not familiar with 6-7, 67, 6
-7?
You don't know about the 6-7?
You got kids there?
They're not talking.
They don't laugh at you when you say
6.
They say 7.
6-7, 6-7, no?
If I say 6, they say 7?
6-7.
5.
6.
5-6.
So we are back.
We're back with something you're probably very familiar
with, probably also very confused about, if you
spend any time around a teenager or even
a tween as well.
I'm not even going to do the hand
gesture.
I'll do it.
Because it's so cringe.
We're talking about 6-7, the slang that
kids just cannot stop saying, but now some
teachers and schools are saying they've had enough.
Yeah, NBC's Savannah Sellers is here with more.
Hey, Savannah, 6-7.
6-7, you've got the tone down and
everything.
Good morning.
You got to do the hand motion with
it.
So this first went viral last year.
Here's the thing, though.
It really means nothing at all, but unlike
most internet trends, this one seems to be
sticking around, prompting some teachers to set some
new rules in the classroom.
6-7.
And so I've been waiting for a report
like this because I've been seeing this go
on for a while and it was just,
there never was any reason.
Where have you been seeing it?
I have never seen this anywhere.
Well, I actually look at TikTok once in
a while, like the real TikTok, not the
filtered down, libtard, nut jobs that you watch,
but actually what's happening, what's on the streets?
See, that's an example of him being mean
to me.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just heard it right
there.
Yes, I'm sorry.
I apologize.
Is that okay if I apologize?
No, I don't care if you apologize or
not.
I just want to point it out that
this woman, when Tina wrote that fake letter
in...
Tina's actually always on your side, to be
honest about it.
She's like, you know, you should be a
little nicer to John.
She's actually a Christian.
No, because then she says, because, you know,
he's old and we got to be nice
to our elders.
There it is again, ladies and gentlemen, you
just heard it.
6-7.
I mean, kids can't get enough of and
teachers can't get away from.
We are not saying the word 6-7
anymore.
If you do, you have to write a
67 word essay.
Some schools even banning the phrase in classrooms.
You are no longer allowed to say, what
number do you think I'm going to say?
6-7.
Caitlin Soriano is a seventh grade math teacher.
How much are you hearing and seeing 6
-7 in your classroom?
All day, every day.
It is nonstop throughout my class, the hallways,
the cafeterias.
She says she banned the term last year
after it became distracting for students.
But now this has been going on for
more than a year.
It has been going on for a while.
I think for since 2024.
Yeah, we're leaning in.
We hope that if it is embarrassing enough
for the adults to be doing it, that
maybe they stop.
The trend took off a few months ago,
but has reintensified with school back in session,
thought to originate from a rap song by
Skrilla.
But the experts we spoke to say the
numbers really don't mean anything.
It's like slang to like, make parents be
like, what does that mean?
Yeah, baby.
It's just the latest example of slang through
the years.
Eat my shorts.
From the hippie generation, where things were groovy
and far out, to the 90s, where everyone
was asking, why's that?
If you're wondering what the skibbity is going
on, and how all this brain rot is
getting to us, you're not in Delulu.
It's already Ohio.
But the kids, they just want us to
let them cook.
As for parents, they're feeling the pain too.
According to a recent study, 35% say
they struggle to understand their kids' slang vocabulary.
And 56% say their kids feel cringe
when they try and use slang to communicate.
Do you think that your mom and your
dad or your teachers are getting a little
annoyed of it?
Yes.
Is that going to stop you?
No.
And that's really the point.
And there's an outro clip to this.
But so the thing with this is it's
being done specifically to annoy your parents.
And that's different from any other slang that
I can remember.
I mean, we had all kinds of terms.
And okay, well, the chat room is going
to have to chime in on this.
Because I'm trying to think, the point you're
making here is that, is this a new
phenomenon just to find a way to annoy
parents?
I mean, kids have always annoyed parents in
all kinds of different ways by not doing
stuff.
You know, you didn't do this, you didn't
do that, which annoys parents.
But this is a disrespectful annoyance.
You heard those two young kids.
This is why I want to hear from
the chat room.
You mean the troll room?
Yes.
Well, what do you want to hear?
I want to hear why.
Why, how, has this ever happened before?
Is there any other examples?
No, I don't think, just think about your
own, my own youth, your youth.
That's what I'm trying to think.
I can't come up with anything.
That's why I'm asking the troll room to
help.
We never had anything that we purposely used
to annoy our parents.
And parents, if I see, I don't believe
that's true.
If you said something to annoy your parents,
your mom would whoop you upside the head.
Shut up.
That's my point.
It's more the parents who should say, who
shouldn't be, I don't understand what you're causing.
Stop annoying me.
Get out of my house.
Here's a hundred bucks.
Run away from home.
That's what I got.
Here's a hundred dollars.
You can run away from home, but you
can't come back.
Is that what happened?
Yeah, my mom actually did that.
I'm running away from home, having a little
knapsack.
Okay, well, here's a hundred dollars.
I had a knapsack.
Yeah.
I, I, you know, I saw, I saw
the drawing, knapsack on a stick over your
shoulder.
You brought this up before that you ran
away from home.
Yeah.
And then my mom gave me a hundred
bucks and I walked down the street under
the tree.
I'm like, this sucks.
I'm going back.
This hundred dollars is not going to do
it for me.
But.
You should have gone back and said, I
spent a hundred.
So the.
So, I mean, we've had lots of terms,
lots of slang, but this is, it's appears
specifically to mess with your teacher, mess with
your parents.
And I think parents, parents, they need to
stop this.
Like, hey, stop annoying me.
I didn't even know this was going on.
So I have no thoughts on it, but
I'll think about it.
Well, here, here's the NBC Today show.
I guess the troll room has come up
with nothing.
No, they got nothing.
They got nothing.
Here's the NBC Today show with all the
slang they can think of from back in
the day, but it's completely irrelevant to what
this trend really is, which is to annoy
your parents.
And I think parents should just stop, stop
the children to stop it.
Maybe the kids aren't getting enough attention.
Well, there you go.
And by the way, it's not 67, of
course, but this is 41.
Do you know what that means?
What does that mean?
That one I've heard it started with the
Rizzler and doesn't also make sense.
Maybe, you know.
No, but you're exactly right.
It is an adjective used to describe excess.
I have an idea.
What if we call 67 when adults kill
a fun trend?
We just 67'd this trend.
Thank you so much.
Okay, 86.
That's 86.
I love that.
86.
We 86'd 67.
67 is the new 86.
Dylan's been trying to bring that back.
Oh, God, these people are insufferable.
And Calvin says he's heard kids say it
in school.
You remember like Rusty called me over yesterday
and he's like, Mom, can I have a
kiss?
And I go like all the way over
to give him a kiss.
And he's like, well done.
That's a good education he's getting.
Yeah.
So, you know, for what that's worth, let's
bring that one back.
Another one you slap your kid for.
Don't do that.
73 is the new number.
Seven threes.
I don't know.
Something about this, the way it bothers me.
I don't know why.
I don't have any kids.
I need a grandkid to boss around.
That's what I need.
That would help me.
What?
Well, I like six threes.
Six threes.
The rubble is your donation.
And we are working on a challenge going.
So just to let you know.
All right.
So let's let's look at what Gen Z
is doing around the world.
Let's see how things are going in Peru.
This vigil in Lima in Peru is for
a 32 year old demonstrator killed on Wednesday
during anti-government Gen Z protests.
People gathered at the site where he died.
A police officer was detained in relation to
the shooting.
They are killing us during the protests.
They are taking away our rights and leaving
us at the mercy of extortionists.
They are killing us.
So we have to protest.
We demand not only that these mafias stop
destroying our country, but also that they stop
justifying their criminal actions.
The government on Friday suspended the Lima police
chief over the protests.
Anger centers on corruption and worsening crime.
Tension persists despite the removal of the deeply
unpopular President Dina Baloate earlier this month and
her replacement with Congress Speaker Jose Heri.
This is really quite a good regime change
method to just get some Gen Zers into
the discord, get them on the streets, and
then have mayhem take place and blame it
on Gen Z.
So they already got rid of the president.
And so they brought in a replacement guy.
Uh, then we have Madagascar.
The U.N. Secretary General António Guterres has
issued a strong condemnation of the recent unconstitutional
change of government in Madagascar.
He's now calling for an immediate restoration of
constitutional order and respect for the rule of
law in the country.
In a statement delivered by U.N. Spokesperson
Stefan Dujarric, Guterres expresses backing of the African
Union's decision to suspend Madagascar from all activities
within the bloc.
The Secretary General condemns the unconstitutional change of
government power in Madagascar and calls for the
return to constitutional order and the rule of
law.
I think it's amazing that some Gen Z
protests are turning out this way and no
one is seeing this.
They're not seeing what's actually happening.
This is regime change.
Could be us.
Could be the French.
Could be the French.
Could be the Nordic nexus.
The Nordic nexus.
It could be.
The question is, who is it?
I don't know.
But it's not happening here.
No, it's happening.
So that's a clue.
That's a clue.
And it's happening again after a brief pause
in Morocco.
After almost 10 days, young Moroccans resumed their
protests in front of parliament on Saturday.
They're demanding government reform, education and health care
while tackling corruption and a cost of living
crisis.
This protest was organized to unify our ranks
and coordinate our demonstrations and sends a message
to the authorities.
Even though we paused for more than 10
days, we're continuing and will continue until our
demands are met, not just in words but
in reality.
We want to see solutions that satisfy us
and make us feel that our daily sacrifices
are worthwhile.
It was the first demonstration since King Mohammed
VI addressed parliament 10 days ago following weeks
of unrest.
But he didn't mention the Gen Z movement
directly and his call for job creation for
young people and improving health care and education
left many of the protesters unconvinced.
Whether this movement will...
Listen to this kid.
So this is a Moroccan Gen Z'er
who sounds like he's been on American Discord
for several years.
Whether this movement will bear its fruits, I
think it's very soon to tell.
There will still be, you know, political changes
that will come in the upcoming days.
And up until then, we cannot really predict
what's going to happen because, you know, in
politics, there are lots of variables that enter
in the equation and a lot of things
can change.
Whoa, whoa.
He just went into straight up Yang talk.
Between two days, like, you know.
So I think that it's too soon to
tell, to tell.
But obviously, the youth are hopeful.
Young people taking part in Saturday's protests say
the movement has not lost momentum during the
break, despite some reports to the contrary.
I don't know, man.
There is something afoot here with the Gen
Z protests.
Yeah, it's definitely something.
And it's a scheme because it's just not
one place.
And it's always, it's the same model.
And it's being dumped here and there because
it's a model that works.
Yes.
That means there's something behind it.
So it's either the CIA or one of
our intel people, agencies or military intelligence, who
knows?
I think it could be us, but it
could be the international communist conspiracy.
It could be a lot of different things.
We have to figure out who it is.
Well, we have boots on the ground everywhere.
So I'd love to see if we can
get a little bit more on this.
Yeah, it should be.
We should be able to figure out who
it is.
Yeah.
And why?
Well, some of it's against BRICS.
We know that.
That's what, wasn't Peru about BRICS?
No.
Yeah, I thought Peru.
Peru is the outlier, it seems to me.
I don't see how Peru fits into it
at all.
Well.
Although maybe, look at the robot.
Nah, screw the robot.
BPC, BRICS Policy Center receives delegation from Peru.
There's a lot of Peru in BRICS in
the news.
How about Madagascar?
Let's see.
Madagascar.
Because that would be us.
I mean, if- That would be us.
Yeah, let me see.
Madagascar.
And the fact that we can do this
this well, it's a good sign.
Yeah, let me see.
Madagascar.
Well, I don't really see anything about Madagascar
in BRICS.
But it's all Africa, you know, so it's
- Do we have interest in Africa?
We're trying to take over the place.
Well, then that's us.
And move the Chinese out so we can
get those minerals.
Well- We need rare earths.
Our technology, because the little magnets, those little
super powerful little magnets require rare earth elements.
A couple of them in particular.
And we need them.
We never needed them before, but we need
them now big time.
All right.
What else you got, John?
I'm sure you have some interesting stuff for
us.
I got a little religious breakdown here, because
we like to talk about that.
This is part of- I did one
for the last show.
We've never played it, but this is different.
This is about, although we can also go
light and talk about Taylor Swift and her
marketing.
Let's do NPR religion first, then we'll go
light with Taylor Swift.
And Taylor Swift better be good.
One or the other before the break, it
seems to me.
We got plenty of time before the break.
We can do both.
Let's go sociology of religion.
This is a sociologist.
And I thought this was interesting because of
the rationale for what's going on.
He thinks that religion is- This is
different than the last report, which we never
played.
This guy says religion is becoming obsolete.
Oh, okay.
University of Notre Dame sociology professor Christian Smith
has spent his career studying religion in the
U.S. He has a new book titled
Why Religion Went Obsolete, The Demise of Traditional
Faith in America.
Smith says that word, obsolete, doesn't necessarily mean
religion is useless or lost.
It's more about how religion is viewed across
generations.
By obsolete, I mean to focus more on
the cultural realm, the cultural status of religion,
not just how many people go to church
or pray, but traditional religion's role in the
larger culture.
And so the idea is just what we
mean by obsolete.
Traditional religion has just, for most people, been
replaced or supplanted by other things that have
come along.
The image I use in the book is
what PCs and laptops did to electric typewriters.
People can still use obsolete things.
I have college students that use electric typewriters,
and I have CDs.
But it's not that it's extinct.
And it's not that the obsolete thing is
worse than what replaced it.
A lot of times the obsolete thing is
better.
But just it's not as much referred to
or practiced or easy to pull off than
the thing that people are most into at
any given time.
Oh, interesting.
Well, I take a little bit of, I
think there's a lot of, when you say
religion, I mean, that to me doesn't mean
Christianity.
That can be Islam.
That can be Buddhism.
That can be all kinds of religion.
And I would say that's what he would
agree with that.
OK, so and I would agree when he
talks about Christianity, he's really more or less
referring to the established sects, the churches, the
Methodists versus the Presbyterians versus the.
Well, again, that to me is is.
But that's what he's all in on everything
you say.
OK, but what my point was going to
be that we religion has only gotten more
intense with climatism, scientism.
Yeah, well, he's got that covered, too.
OK, so let's get to the crux of
the matter.
Why are people turning away from traditional religion?
What did you find?
Yeah, so my argument is that the causes
of this are not recent, that they're complex.
There are many.
I use the image of a converging of
perfect storms.
There's a lot of technological factors, economic factors.
And so, you know, religion has a smaller
pool of a market, so to speak, to
draw people from.
So it's not a matter of, for the
most part, sort of an atheist or scientific
rationalist rejection of religion.
It's just a sort of a doesn't fit,
doesn't work.
I don't need it.
Well, you say that 1991 was a crucial
turning point.
Why is that year so crucial?
For starters, that was the year when the
number of Americans in national surveys who said
they were not religious started to rise.
Prior to then, every survey, about six or
seven percent of Americans said they were not
religious.
1991 was the first uptick, and it's been
growing ever since for three decades.
The end of the Cold War happened in
1991, and that was really consequential for America's
self-image in the world, its mission and
place in the world.
We used to be, during the Cold War,
even if people weren't religious as a nation,
we conceived of ourselves as the God-fearing
religious liberty nation fighting against atheist commonness.
And after the end of the Cold War,
that evaporated, and it wasn't clear who we
were, what our place in the world was.
And the economy was changing, and so the
American dream was starting to become less and
less available.
Okay.
Well, that's just some stats.
Okay.
That's probably true.
Well, then he comes up with a laundry
list of changes that have taken place, and
there's kind of an Ask Adam here.
What's the one he leaves out?
You'll see if you can spot it, but
when he talks about the 90s starting in
91, we started to enter the Clinton era
in 92, and it got full blown.
This was the most prosperous period of time
I've ever experienced in my life.
In fact, didn't the religion in those early
90s, wasn't that greed is good?
Wasn't that Wall Street?
Wasn't that the religion?
Well, I don't know if that was the
religion per se, but I do know that
there was a lot of money flying, and
the American dream was doing quite well for
itself, so I think he's wrong about that.
But then he goes through this laundry list
of the changes, and there are these moments
in time, 91 is a good time to
put it.
You could say 92, 90, that period of
time, it was a big change that took
place.
But then he goes through the little laundry
list here, and then he leaves one out.
There was a growing sort of dissatisfaction with
the standard American way of life and declining
trust in political leaders.
Lots of other cultural things happened in 1991.
James Hunter published this book, Culture Wars, putting
a name on the polarization that's happened ever
since.
Music changed.
The era of 1980s big hair bands was
liquidated by grunge and other movements.
It's not that everything changed in 1991, but
that that was a pivot year, and over
the next two decades, all of these profound
changes in culture sort of worked their way
out.
You mean Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton?
What did he leave out of that list?
It's a little list, but it's not long,
but he never, in his whole presentation, that's
the last clip I have, he goes on
about some other stuff here that's quite interesting.
It's a very good piece.
The internet.
Oh, of course.
He never mentions the internet.
91 isn't when the browser came out, but
91, we were talking about the internet a
lot, because there was one gopher, and your
buddy gopher, and all these other things were
out there, and people were talking about the
internet.
Everyone, we all had internet email addresses, you
got them one way or another, and the
internet is what really happened in 1991, and
it just exploded with the web, which was
the, you know, there was that period between
91 and 93 where people kept, if you
remember, and you do, that period of time
where people said, oh, oh, that web is
not the internet.
That's the web.
The internet is this, and the web is
that.
They really had to differentiate between the internet
and the web.
And everybody made a big fuss about that
differentiation, and that differentiation disappeared completely.
No one has used that comment.
Oh, but in fact, no one even unknows
what the web is anymore.
Just open your browser.
What?
It's Safari.
Oh, okay, now I have DuckDuckGo.
So I would say that the internet became
the religion.
It never mentions that once, and it goes
on and on, and he talks about this
third thing that took place, which is spiritualism,
which is kind of not religion, but it's
like everyone still has to have a spiritual
angle, and it brings in all kinds of
problems.
I've actually seen, that's a good point.
I've actually seen surveys that show that more
and more Americans are saying they are, quote,
spiritual, and I certainly think that the American
church is definitely breaking apart.
We're seeing huge splits in churches, certainly with
the traditional, you know, like Methodist, Protestant, you
know.
Well, he goes on, I could have clipped
his 10 clips from this presentation.
I'm sure you could have, yeah.
He goes on about exactly what you say,
and he says that the problem with these
churches is they have not fundamentally, that's why
I think it's interesting that your church has
a number of little factoids that it pulls
off that I think, which will create a
revivalism, I think, which is the socialization thing.
Yes.
Which is a lot of churches become social,
and I came up with this thinking about
this because I did a hit on Chanel's
show on Friday.
Oh, I missed it.
A hit, a Chanel hit.
And she was, this discussion was about this
country and western guy who's a left winger,
and how about country and western is, you
know, they're trying to move in on it.
But she said, she made the comment that
there was a large, the country and western
music is the largest genre that is growing
the fastest, and asked me if I had
any idea of why this might be.
And I said, maybe it's because country and
western at least has to do with relationships
and, you know, boys and girls, and the
idea that you can, you know, there's love
songs within the country and western genre as
opposed to shooting somebody or bitching about immigration
status in a song, and so you end
up with this kind of, the need for
socialization.
I think the churches that do well are
the ones that are pushing that part of
it.
They have their message, but they could, but
the idea that kids in particular, young ones,
the Zeds, they, you know, they haven't been,
they don't have, there was a big story
that was going around all this last week
on the mainstream media about one of the
high schools that canceled all their dances.
It's insane.
Because nobody was going to go to the
dances.
And it's like, that brings back my old
point about the sock hop, and so I
think churches have their opportunity to help kids
socialize because it is a place where you
can meet people.
Yes, and, and I will say that more,
so yes, non-denominational churches I think are
doing quite well, and they're growing, and they
also have very young pastors.
You know, when I say young, I mean
40s, and it's a very different breed, a
very different genre, and the music is actually
much closer to country and Western.
It's all Nashville.
All of the Christian contemporary music comes out
of Nashville now, and they're, you know, they're,
Ann Wilson, traditional country artist, boom, moves right
over to Christian contemporary.
Jelly Roll, you know, this guy is the
furthest thing from Christian contemporary music.
Has a number one hit with Brandon Lake.
Never heard any of these people.
No, I know you haven't, but in the
legendary words of Lonnie Frisbee, there's a whole
generation out there just looking for God, man.
I think they're looking to meet a girl.
And that too.
I mean, we have the Catalyst group on
Wednesday nights, and I actually, I go in
Wednesday to help these, there's two kids, they're
14 and 16, and they're doing a podcast.
So I set them up, and the church
is actually building podcast studios.
That's why you don't do the newsletter on
Wednesdays.
Sometimes.
Yeah, sometimes.
No, during the day.
I don't know.
I might've been doing, no, I was in
Austin last Wednesday.
And I did it on Wednesday.
What are you talking about?
I did it in the car.
I pulled over to check the newsletter.
Yeah, I did.
I pulled over to, this is my dedication
to the show.
But they have Wednesday nights, and the kids
are playing music.
They got a band, you know, and they
are socializing.
So yeah, yeah.
And I'm, I think that is on the
upswing.
We used to, you used to socialize when
I was a kid.
Oh, here we go.
Everything was socialized.
I mean, they had parties on the weekends.
We had community centers.
We had schools that taught you how to
do dances, whether you liked it or not.
They had sock hops and dances and proms
and one thing.
There was a socialization thing was extremely important.
It's been lost to gender studies.
Yeah, well, it's coming back.
And all these churches.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
All these.
Not in the schools.
No, not in the schools.
But you know what?
And you know how many churches are now
starting schools?
It's an enormous amount.
They're bringing, they're starting schools as affiliated with
the church, starting in the church.
Then they, many of them now have buildings
with hundreds of students.
You know, and it's an outgrowth of the
homeschool movement.
Yeah, no, there's, but all of these, all
of these non-denominational churches, they're all pushing
culture.
You know, and actually, funny enough, the seven
mountain mandate is how you could look at
it, which is, you know, I don't think
anyone's really part of the new apostolic reformation,
the way NPR might categorize it.
But they are saying, you know, hey, you
know, look, this is our country.
And if we don't have God in our
country, then our country is going to fall
apart.
That's not a new message.
That's an old, very, very old message, about
250 years old.
Let's go to Taylor Swift.
Speaking of the devil, let's bring in Beelzebub
herself.
Okay.
I didn't know this was going on, and
I didn't realize it's been going on for
a while.
The third, yeah, you didn't realize that her
last album, the Showgirls album was, she has
39 versions of it.
No, I'm sorry.
I totally, look, I'm giving you license here
because 15 years, no, maybe it wasn't 15.
10 years ago, you identified Taylor Swift out
of the gate.
No, it was longer than that.
It was about 15, 16 years ago.
You identified her right out of the gate
with her noodling.
And you're like, there's something up with this
girl.
And I remember it's so long ago, Andrew
Grumet was still hanging around, although Andrew Grumet
is part of Podcasting 2.0 now.
And his daughter was all into Taylor Swift.
And so I give you license on the
Taylor Swift beat.
But no, John, I did not know she
has 39 versions of the album.
This presentation, which was on NPR, is one
of the kind of lunatic presentations where they
bring in these goofballs and they're yucking it
up constantly.
But they do bring out some marketing.
Taylor Swift, to me, is a marketing genius.
And that's where she really stands in the
world.
Well, somebody is, she or somebody.
I think it's her.
I thought it was her dad.
I think her dad taught her well.
I think she's the one that's doing it
all.
But here she goes.
As of this recording, there are 38 variants
of Taylor Swift's new album, The Life of
a Showgirl.
But are all these variants fan service or
fan exploitation?
We're getting into it with Stephen Thompson, host
for NPR Music and Pop Culture Happy Hour,
and Anne Powers, NPR Music critic and correspondent.
Anne, Stephen, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having us.
I'm sorry, what is this show?
Is this on the radio?
Is this only a podcast?
What is it?
Is this on the radio?
Yeah, it's Taylor season.
I feel like every season is Taylor season.
When you are the main character in our
lives, every season belongs to you.
Taylor is the climate crisis of popular music.
She's also the actual climate crisis with how
much she uses that private jet.
Gloves are off already.
I love it.
My gloves are always off when it comes
to Taylor Swift.
All right, but Stephen and Anne, can you
name any of the different variants?
So there's one that's like, that's showbiz baby
edition.
Very close.
You're thinking of the baby, that's show business
vinyl collection.
And I'll give you some of the other
names.
There was the deluxe, so punk on the
internet, digital version.
The sweat and vanilla perfume, portofino, orange glitter,
all one title, vinyl version.
And also the alone in my tower acoustic
CD version.
That's just a few.
Like I said, there's 38, right?
27 physical, 11 digital.
Right.
Now there's a couple of ways to look
at this.
You could call all of these collectible variants,
as some have said, exploitative or manipulative.
Maybe for rabid fans, you know, they can't
not buy all of this.
On the other hand, you could call this
fan service because Taylor Swift is not forcing
anyone to buy her music.
Her fans of their own volition are the
ones putting in their credit card information.
Plus, you know, a lot of fans are
collectors and like having special violet sparkle or
blue shimmer vinyl.
You know, buying a vinyl also could be
a good investment.
Can we go back to the church talk?
This better get good.
This is good.
You're listening to a marketing genius at work
and what they're doing.
And the thing about these.
She's she's she has an audience that is
buying 38 copies of the exact same product.
And they're not buying one or two.
They're buying all of them.
And it's just different packaging.
It's the same songs, but different.
No, it's like different colored vinyl.
There's different names on each album.
Packaging.
Yeah.
Different packaging.
You think I know what you're thinking, which
is, well, maybe some bonus clips on there.
Or maybe there's a different version of the
song to do that to outtakes or, you
know, studio studio floor stuff.
No, none of that.
No, no, it's just different packaging and each
one being a quote unquote collectible.
And of course, it turns out that they
are because of the you know, it's like
anything else that's a collectible.
Is there a market for it?
Are they getting bid up?
Well, let's listen to part clip two here.
One of our producers has a rare Swift
vinyl that is currently selling for upwards of
$1,000 online.
Right.
So before the Swifties come for me, I
know that Taylor Swift is not the only
one releasing all these album variants.
I mean, for example, Travis Scott and Fall
Out Boy, they each released 31 physical variants
of their 2023 albums.
But I will say Taylor Swift gets the
most attention for this business tactic.
Why do you think she's the one who's
seen as preying on her fans?
Well, I think part of it is that
is the downside of being the biggest, right?
And being the main character in our lives
makes her a very rich and juicy target.
So it's easy to kind of single her
out as an emblem of the problem.
But Brittany, like you said, there are many,
many, many stars in pop, hip hop, R
&B, K-pop, my God, where this is
just standard operating procedure.
Yeah.
I have to add, let's think about Taylor
Swift not as our bestie right now, but
as a product.
And I want us to think beyond music
because other products are sold in exactly the
same way.
And I'm specifically thinking about my daughter's favorite
soda, Mountain Dew.
My daughter loves Mountain Dew and she has
to have every new flavor.
And she knows, which I didn't know, that
there are certain flavors that are only sold
through Taco Bell or only sold at Walmart.
And there's infinite varieties of basically sugar water,
right?
So this is marketing beyond pop music.
But because Taylor is also an artist and
has been so insistent on being an artist,
to view her as a product feels somehow
offensive, bringing up the other side of this
issue, which is, is the music worth this
fetishization?
And there's been a lot of debate.
And I would say, even though I still
think this album is more enjoyable and think
it will last longer than some people do.
But the commentary I've seen, it's really like,
well, there's 38 variations and also the music
is terrible.
Well, so this is not entirely new.
We've had picture discs.
We've had all kinds of marketing, packaging differences
for many artists throughout the ages.
It really is also the only way you
can make money.
I mean, yeah, she gets a lot of
the Spotify money just by default.
But really, you want people buying packages.
You want them buying product.
And that's, is that any different from Beanie
Babies or Cabbage Patch Dolls or anything like
that?
Of course not.
No.
But there's a little gotcha in here in
the last clip, which is the little interesting
thing about this.
If you're like, she brings out 38 copies
of the same album and you're a collector,
you're a nutball.
I don't know anyone like that.
I would be shocked if you did.
I know collectors.
But there are people that are out there.
The Swifties.
Comey, for example.
Uh, Justin Trudeau.
He went to her concert.
Yeah.
And that's just because they like young girls.
Say you buy 10 or 20 of these
things.
Billboard says that's 20 sales.
It helps you get to number one.
It's bullcrap.
Yeah.
Does that really matter anymore that you're number
one on a chart?
It does in the industry.
It doesn't to us.
No, I don't think it makes a difference
to any.
I don't think the kids care anymore.
The kids.
I don't think the kids ever cared when
I was a kid.
I never I'm 16.
I bought some 45.
Well, no, no, no, no.
The way the I didn't care what Billboard
had to say.
No, the way the industry used to work
with radio when radio was the predominant distribution
mechanism instead of Spotify or Apple Music or
Amazon or whatever you're using.
It was important because the higher up you
are in the chart, the more you got
into rotation on the radio stations.
That's all that it was about.
I don't think any kid really cared that
it was number one.
It was all about radio rotation.
That's an industry I happen to know about.
Yes.
Well, there's still there's still Billboard has not
gone out of business.
Barely.
They've been hanging on by their fingernails as
opposed to why they're in business.
There's a question, since you know that much
about it, what's keeping them alive and why?
Well, I don't know.
I got to be.
I don't know if they're alive.
Well, during this clip, I'll look it up
and I'll tell you if they really are
in existence.
As opposed to, I guess, if there had
been 38 versions of folklore.
And then all the critics would be like,
oh, yes, please give us the flower press
version that has the dried unicorn blood.
I will pay for that because the music
is so exquisite.
Also, there were variants on folklore, but only
20 variants as far as I can tell.
Now, let's not forget that Taylor has been
a bestselling artist for nearly two decades, and
her efforts to sell physical albums go way
back to the beginning of her career.
There was, for example, her partnership with Papa
John's for her 2012 album, Red, where I
mean, this is a good deal, mind you.
For $22, you could buy a pizza and
Taylor's new album and have them delivered to
you.
Just a side note, those Papa John's boxes
were printed with Taylor's album cover on them.
And you can buy one of those cardboard
pizza boxes for $513 on eBay right now.
Oh, my gosh.
So I wonder, what's different now?
Like, why is this grinding everybody's gears?
I think it's just proxy rage.
Say more, please.
People are very mad in general right now
about everything.
And Taylor Swift, she enters into this conversation
with an album full of songs that are
flaunting her material success, her partnership with an
equally wealthy...
Not equally wealthy, but...
Okay, not equally.
Fair, okay.
They both clear a certain box with mega
wealth, yeah.
With a wealthy guy.
I will say she is also a billionaire.
So here comes a billionaire in a feather
boa.
It just drives everybody crazy.
Oh, I'd forgotten about this.
Penske bought it five years ago.
Penske Media.
It's like a vanity ownership.
Oh, I got billboard, not gonna hang out
with Taylor Swift.
It could be.
It's not a very valuable property.
But I think what's more interesting with Taylor
Swift is that, yeah, you need to be
a real person.
My buddy, Vic, with his wife, Chris, they
stayed over for the weekend.
They're from Dallas.
And he used to be in the music
business, wrote and produced with all the Jersey
Shore guys, all the hair bands, Alice Cooper.
And he's now doing, just for fun, he's
doing music on Suno.
And he says, everything has changed.
Now, everybody can make any kind of song.
And he had created his own Taylor Swift.
It was a great title.
You're My Next Last Boyfriend.
I wish he had left.
It's fantastic.
He created the look, everything.
The only thing that's missing is an actual,
I forget what name he chose for her,
but the actual physical person.
And I think we're not far away from
going back to kind of the days of
the early 80s, Milli Vanilli, where you just
have a song.
And as long as you can attach a
human being to it, you can have a
Taylor Swift type experience of fame and kids
going nuts for him.
And I have to say, for all the
things I don't like about AI, I think
we should just go full bore.
Just flood the zone.
Oh, brother.
Yeah, flood.
I want as much AI end of show
mixes.
I want our musical.
I mean, come on.
We already got the art.
Well, yeah.
And I've got the end of show blurbs,
or half of those are AI.
Oh, yeah.
Well, but those are just annoying.
But I'm talking about, like, I want the
real.
Right, because I'm doing it.
You heard that, right?
I'm mean, I'm mean.
No, I want some songs.
I want some real songs.
Let's do it.
And you know what the great thing is
about these songs?
None of them are.
You disparage Nico Seim, who is our great
songwriter that was doing this.
He stopped.
No, I didn't.
I played him.
What are you talking about?
I didn't disparage him at all.
I played them because he's actually good.
He is good.
Yeah, but I want more of them.
The best thing about all these songs is
that you can play them on a podcast
because they're not registered with ASCAP BMI.
There's no physical licensing required.
He just.
Oh, that's an interesting point.
I could do a music show with all
AI music and it would probably be pretty
good.
But no one's registered.
No one's.
No one even.
No one even knows what to do.
We need an ASCAP for AI.
AI.
ASCAP.
No, we don't.
AISCAP.
Let's do AISCAP.
No, not at all.
This is the great thing.
That's an exit strategy.
Are you kidding me?
Oh, please.
Exit strategy.
Yeah.
No, I want all kinds of great songs,
but they have to be short.
Make them a minute, a minute and a
half.
That shows the true professional prompter.
Yeah, if you can keep them short, that's
the problem.
And then I can publish them.
These things are scheduled, like the AI says,
oh, a song should be 2.2 minutes.
No, no.
There are people who know how to do
it.
They know how to do this stuff now.
They're figuring it out.
And it's, I'm okay with it.
And then maybe, you know, here's the exit
strategy.
We pick one of these songs that's really
good, you know, like a Nico Sime toe
tapper.
And then we find some teenage girl to
lip sync.
And then we create a star out of
her.
We could be the new hit makers.
Because that's all you need to do.
You just need to attach a human being
to it.
And then boom, you fill up the stadium.
It's just that easy.
It's that easy.
And with that, I want to thank you
for your courage.
In the morning to you, the man who
put three C's in the church sock hop.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end.
The one, the only, Mr. John C.
Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam
Curry.
In the morning, ships to sea, boots on
the ground, feet in the air, subs in
the water, all the dames and knights out
there.
Yeah, in the morning to the, whoa.
In the morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
Here we go.
Let's take the trolls.
We have 1865 at the peak.
OK, 1865.
These trolls are in the troll room.
You can find them at no agenda stream
dot com.
Or you can listen to them on.
You can join them, I should say.
Listening live in a modern podcast.
I've got an email this morning from someone
who said, hey, man, Apple and Spotify aren't
uploading your podcast anymore.
I sent it on to you.
Yes.
They sent it to me.
I don't know why people send me this
stuff.
It's not my job.
Well, so first of all, we are not
on Spotify.
We never have been.
No, because we we will not.
So why would you think we why does
anyone think we were?
Well, that's why it's kind of problematic.
And then, you know, I go look at
Apple podcast and yeah, we're there.
Our latest episode is there.
But I think the problem is that people
are still in these legacy apps.
And then, you know, they see it show
up on no agenda show.
And like you forgot to upload it to
Apple podcast, which is not how it works.
But OK, I don't expect you to understand
how it works.
But that's just the legacy apps.
That's the legacy system.
You want to get out of that.
You want to get a modern podcast app.
And even pocket casts.
I think they they I believe that I
don't know if they use pod ping because
someone said, hey, man, it's two hours late
on on pocket cast.
Well, that's because pocket casts may not use
pod ping.
You can go to podcast apps dot com.
You can see exactly who uses pod ping.
And that's the one you want to use.
What was that URL again?
Podcast apps dot com, plural podcast apps dot
com.
That's what you want to do.
So we've been talking about A.I., of
course, even though it's not a huge lift
anymore, it still does take actual creativity and
humor to be able to create something that
is worthy of becoming the show art for
the no agenda podcast.
And I'd say 90 percent aren't able to
do it, which it's OK because it just
it clutters everything up.
And it's hard to, you know, you just
have to look through more submissions, which I
quite enjoy because we go, oh, man, I
can get something to complain about.
But if you have it in you, if
you have the the the humor and it's
all human element and you can translate that
through your prompt, you can create something that
will be quite good.
And I'm just I'm pulling back from the
generative A.I. I'm OK with it.
Flood the zone.
I hope it stays alive.
I hope it stays cheap.
I don't know if it will.
I don't know how any of it's possible
for these prices.
But OK, well, he's backed off from his
position.
Did you notice that, ladies and gentlemen?
No, I still think it's going to kill
our young people with their chat bots.
And I don't think it's proven any worthiness
in the in industry or in business, except
for call centers.
Harmful is the word you're looking for.
Otherwise, it's harmful and it's costing way too
much money.
But it's OK.
We've been through these things before.
What was it before this machine learning?
Then it was cloud and then it was
Internet of Things.
It's just another passing.
And we'll we'll have quantum coming up soon.
So just another client server.
Client, client server.
So congratulations to Comic Strip Blogger.
He prompted it properly and brought us No
Agenda the Musical as the artwork.
A lot of people did No Agenda the
Musical.
Somehow he just got the right element of
hokey looking dorks.
He had absolutely had the right No Agenda
in lights.
No Agenda the Musical.
It was perfect.
I mean, he did.
He took about 10 stabs at it.
Oh, he did.
Oh, yeah, he did.
He had a whole bunch of different ones.
He did.
Yeah, he was going to he was going
for he was swinging for the fences.
He was.
He was.
And so he ended up hitting a homer.
It's what happens if you keep swinging for
the fences.
The earlier version of the particular one that
he picked is way down at the bottom.
There's a version called Just Musical.
I think this is his first attempt.
And it's terrible.
Let me see.
And Just Musical.
I'm looking for it now.
I don't see it's next to Trump piece.
And we also had a lot of people
doing 78s, which was, I mean, I think
a lot of it's eight rows down if
you're four across.
No, I am four across.
Let me see.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, no, no, no.
Well, you're right.
So he kept stabbing at it and he
came up with one that worked and we
liked it.
Um, let's see.
What else did we consider?
Anything else?
Kind of thought Nancy Pelosi strung out as
a drunk was funny, but we thought that
was funny.
That's right.
One dimension that we're never going to use,
but we'll never use that.
We won't use.
No, of course not.
But that was a funny piece.
Looked great.
I mean, that's good prompting.
We had several Noah Jenner, the musicals.
Yeah, no, nothing there.
Jeffrey Rhea.
A lot of people tried the protein powder.
I think we did waver a little bit
on Nestworks protein chips, or at least I
did.
Yeah, you liked it.
I was it.
Well, I really saw the comic strip blogger
piece early and I liked it a lot.
It was a good piece.
Yeah, it was a good piece.
And Scaramanga keeps threatening as he's going to
do some video.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm all
in.
And where's our, where's our Sora 2 musical
stuff?
I mean, people should be all over this
now that I'm opened up.
I'm ready.
I'm going to promote this.
I want tons of songs.
We're going to publish the songs.
We'll become a publisher of AI songs because
normally we don't do that.
We don't put the songs in the show
notes because that is actually an issue.
Well, particularly if it's, if you're using copyrighted
work, we can play spoofs and copy of
copyrighted work and parodies is the, is the
actual term within context of the show.
That would be, I can defend that under
fair use.
If you start publishing that separately, that's a
huge problem.
So that's why people always ask, why don't
you publish the end of show mix?
And well, for that reason, now, if you're
sending me AI stuff, we're going to start
highlighting you.
We're going to put you front and center
in the show notes.
We're going to, we're going to, it'll be
no agenda records.
No agenda music.
They are.
How about.
NAP.
No agenda music publishing NAMP.
NAMP.
So catchy.
So we will, we will promote you.
We will promote you.
And then, you know, maybe we'll find someone,
one of our producers has a kid.
Teach the kid how to lip sync.
We'll make your kid a star.
It's going to be fabulous.
So thank you, comics for blogger.
And congratulations.
You hadn't had a win for a while.
And he's been prompting for many, many, many
episodes.
And he finally made it.
Of course, we've been running value for value.
It'll be 18 years coming up in a
week.
Next Sunday, 18 years of your no agenda
show.
We will be celebrating.
We hope you join us for that.
And we've been doing value for value for
those 18 years, which means.
We give you the show right up front
open and available.
There's no, no levels or subscriptions or anything.
You got to jump around.
You just listen to it.
You subscribe to it.
You listen to it.
And if you go, yeah, secret, no, no,
no bonus content, you know, nothing behind the
paywall.
Oh, none of that.
If you feel that you've received value from
the show, such as those, that fabulous Taylor
Swift segment or the Africa news, all things
I know we're grabbing someone's attention with that
somewhere.
If you're that one, someone saying, you know,
I never would have known about the Gen
Zed takeover, the Gen Zed revolution, the color
revolution of the Gen Zeders across Africa, then
send us some value back.
Noagendadonations.com.
It's that easy.
We always thank everyone who supports us.
$50 and above for each episode.
Doesn't matter how much you send, as long
as it's value to you, it's equal to
the value you received.
We love the numerology of different, different types
of numbers that are meaningful to you or
to your group or your crowd or whatever.
We love it all.
And if you're fortunate enough to support us
with $200 or more, we not only will
read your note that you send us, but
we also give you the official show business
title of associate executive producer.
It's a real title.
Go look at imdb.com.
People use it all the time.
They're over a thousand producers, $300 and above.
You become an executive producer for this episode
of the no agenda show.
And we kick it off with Dame Sand
Cat.
She's from.
Hold on a second.
What?
So I'm thinking about the Zed thing you
mentioned.
Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was
the first, right?
I believe so.
Yeah.
And that we can't associate that with bricks.
Is it possible that the Moroccan thing was
actually organic?
And they said, look at what's happening here.
We can, we can use that as the
model.
I don't know, because they stopped for 10
days and they started up again.
I'm, I don't know.
Maybe the first round was organic and they
started it up again to see if they
could, if they could start it up again,
just as prove that the model works.
Well, you can know one thing.
Your no agenda show is on top of
it.
We are watching Africa because no one else
will.
We're watching Africa.
Dame Sand Cat from Parump, Nevada.
Parump.
Parump.
515.38, which I'm sure is $500 with
$15 and 38 cents.
By the way, did you see, I thought
this was a scandal.
Did you see what GoFundMe did that they've
now been admitted to have done?
No.
They started over a million GoFundMe pages for
nonprofits who didn't sign up.
The nonprofits, they just got all the information
from IRS, from the PayPal giving big databases.
So if you have a nonprofit, there's a
high likelihood that GoFundMe has a GoFundMe page
for you.
Now, I think they do actually send the
money to you.
But you know, when you go on GoFundMe.
You don't know that.
Well, I've heard no one saying that they
haven't received the money from GoFundMe.
The exception people take to it is these
guys, they suggest a tip for GoFundMe of
16%.
Wow.
And it's like, it's like one of those
pre-check jobs.
Like, hey, you know, just go ahead and
help us out.
And so we can continue to grow.
Yeah.
I think this is a huge violation somehow.
You can't just do that.
But they did it.
Yeah.
No.
So opt in.
As long as it's opt in.
What do you mean opt in?
They just opted everybody in.
I thought you said there's a thing you
had to check.
No, but forget if there's a check or
not.
They just decided to go fundraise.
I'm not talking about the opt in for
the for the donation recipient.
I'm talking about the opt in for the
16%.
Oh, let me take a look.
Let me see.
Let me just go to a rando GoFundMe.
rando GoFundMe.com.
Okay.
I'll just select one.
Don't they highlight one somewhere?
Here, please help Steven's family.
Okay.
So we'll go there.
I'm going to hit donate now.
And suggested amount.
So I'll do 200 bucks.
Not really going to do it.
Oh, right off the bat, add $30 to
be in the top 5% of donors.
Wow.
Before.
Oh, yeah, there it is.
Custom tip 16.5 preselected.
So you have preselected.
Yes.
So you have to move the slider back
to zero.
And the minute you do that, are you
able to add a tip?
Tips keep GoFundMe running.
So people like Ruben can get the help
they need.
It's that slider is preselected at 16.5%.
So if you're not looking at it and
you just hit your PayPal, boom, you've already
paid them.
So it's it's opt out.
Scandalous.
That's not good.
No, it's scandalous.
So with none of that nonsense at no
agenda.
But if you send the check, that $15
.38 won't happen either.
It'll be.
What is it?
40 cents?
40 cents.
Probably depends after a couple hundred free checks.
Yeah.
And you can send it right from your
bank.
You don't have to write the check out,
although we'll appreciate that, too.
No, we like the people who write that.
Yes, we like because it's personalized.
You get it.
And it encourages people to write checks and
send.
We don't encourage cash because, you know, you
don't trust the mail that much, even though
it seems to work fine.
But the it's nice to write your signature
down and write the amount.
It gives you something to do.
So Dame Sandcat says this is Dame Sandcat
to be recognized as Secretary General of Southern
Nye County Land of Hookers and Blow.
And indeed.
Is that right?
That's the land of hookers and blow.
That's the land of hookers and blow.
And this is the last opportunity.
These will be our last secretaries general, I
believe.
Is the promotion over now?
The promotion will be over after midnight tonight.
After midnight.
Get your order up.
And she says, Rev Owl, please.
R-E-S-P-I-C-T.
It was funny.
One of our producers went to the.
He sent me like 50 pictures from the
no kings protest that he went to and
he sent a picture because he had a
sign.
And he had a because everyone had handmade
signs.
He had a sign that said, resist we
much and we must much, much about that
be committed.
He's walking around with a great deal.
Thank you very much.
Dame Sandcat.
Sir Henry in Austin, Texas, right where you
used to live.
500 bucks.
I.T.M. With this donation, I would
like to be I.T.M. With this
donation.
That's funny.
It's actually says I.T.M. Period.
With this donation, I would like to become
the secretary general of Shangri-La.
Nice.
Congratulations.
Shangri-La.
That's good.
Sir Henry Baron of Flowerland.
Flower field.
Oh, flower field.
I don't know how you got flower land.
Well, because there's a there's a place down
the street from me called Flowerland.
And it just sticks in my brain.
I see that flower part.
I see land automatically appears in my brain.
We shall make it so later on.
And Sir Dan, the man checks in.
Haven't heard from him in a while with
500 dollars.
He says congratulations on 18 years.
I would like to be named secretary general
of the Sunshine State.
Thank you for your courage.
Sir Dan, the man Earl of Southwest Florida.
You got it.
Well.
North.
Oh, here's our North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Post Falls, Idaho, three, three, three, three, three.
On behalf of the North Idaho Sanity Brigade.
Here is a crowd funded magic number donation
courtesy of many of their attendees.
A piling various amounts of cash into the
center of the table.
Nice.
Nice.
Thank you.
I'm all in.
Yeah, we have released the debut episode of
our new hybrid hyperlocal podcast.
No ID as in North Idaho.
No ID.
Oh, cool.
I like it.
Get it.
North Idaho, dude.
But also as in screw your cabal issued
digital social credit credential thing.
Every region should have its own no agenda
because every region has a mainstream apparatus that
propagate propagandizes requiring deconstruction.
Heed Adam's call like we did start a
hyperlocal podcast.
Thanks, Podfather, for the inspiration.
Sir Scott, the Jew and the North Idaho
Sanity Brigade.
Oh, this is very interesting.
I would love to host a no agenda
network of hyperlocal podcasts.
I happen to have the software for it.
So and what you missed out on Sir
Scott, the Jew and the North Idaho Sanity
Brigade is you didn't tell me where to
find the podcast.
Is it just no ID?
Can I just find that in every podcast
app?
Is it on the is on the index?
Let me know.
I would be more than happy to create
the no agenda podcast network.
I think it's a grand idea.
Very good.
And Sir Commodore J Stroke from Norton, Ohio,
comes in with an associate executive producer credit
for his 234.16 cents.
ITM came across Citizen.
HTTPS citizen portal dot AI.
It's a service in which you get AI
generated summaries of local government meetings.
Not sure if you've heard of it.
Oh, that's actually interesting.
Is it free?
How do they do this stuff for free?
I got to wonder.
Adam, your recommendation.
Here we go again on hyperlocal podcast made
me seek out ways to be more informed
locally, even if not doing a podcast, which
is how I found it.
Seems like the best use of AI that
I've seen.
It helps keep me just an average husband,
father and night stay in the know on
local government.
I've been using it to follow a proposed
data center development in my town.
Check it out.
If you're interested, I know you guys are
swamped with no agenda and doing around as
podcast guests.
Yeah, boy, we're so busy with the podcast
guesting.
But I felt obliged to share.
I can hear John commenting.
I wish you were obliged to send donations.
So I did.
Please accept my PayPal donation of 234 16
for the show plus fees.
Do you think the constant berating of donors
is directly is directed incorrectly?
Shouldn't you berate the listeners who aren't donors?
Maybe it's just semantics, but words are a
weapon these days.
Thank you.
This is a very good point.
And someone else made that point to me.
Someone said, hey, man, like I don't.
I think we should say specifically that it's
the people who listen, but aren't donating who
we are berating.
I don't think we're berating our our existing
donors.
Do you?
I don't think that's everybody berate everybody evenly.
I don't see a problem.
When you have 800,000 people listening and
only 50,000 rating any of the dukes
that I know of.
No, I don't berate people.
Are we berating the donors today?
I don't think so.
If I get any emails about you, I
would say 85 percent about your bitching and
moaning and and and complaining about donations.
What people don't understand is if you don't
do that, guess what happens?
Nothing.
You know, we get no donations.
That's exactly right.
You got to bitch and moan.
Bitching and moaning is part of the process.
Come on.
This is the reason that we get donations
at all.
It's part of them.
Well, what are you going to come out
and say, hey, oh, we got a lot
of dough.
Oh, that's great.
You guys, you're doing it.
This is fabulous.
We're getting these donations and don't worry about
it.
Maybe some yak karma could do some good,
says Sir Commodore J Stroke.
Well, we agree.
Thank you very much.
You've got karma.
Bitching and moaning works.
It's part of the process.
It is.
Welcome to Podcasting 101 with Adam C.
Curry and John C.
Dvorak.
Today we talk about donations.
John, what is the crux of the donation
value for value model?
Complaining a lot.
Boom.
We don't get enough money.
There it is.
There it is.
And you know what?
A lot of people have a problem.
I think people are embarrassed because they know
they could never do it.
They could never do it.
Oh, you mean they can't bitch and moan?
No, they can't bitch and moan about donations.
Well, this is the problem.
We would notice this, by the way, for
you out there that think you're going to
be able to pull off value for value.
You do have to have some sincerity.
Do you want the money or not?
Yes.
It's called asking for the money.
Yes.
It's also biblical.
If you think about it, the asking ye
shall receive.
If you don't ask, you don't get it.
Whoa, you just threw some biblical scripture out.
Beautiful.
Oh, yeah, that's scripture.
It is.
So the point is, is that you have
to be sincere about, look, we need the
money.
Look, the show doesn't pay for itself.
We have bills.
We do the show.
This is a full time job, basically.
And we need some help here.
And that's all we're doing.
It's not like we're berating any one person.
You, Jim out there, you didn't give us
any money.
You know, there is a Jim that's never
given us money.
You know what I think a lot of
people, certainly for me, a lot of people
think, you're rich, Curry.
You were on television.
You, Dvorak, you sold millions of books.
See, I think they think that we're loaded
and we're just doing this as a hobby.
For fun.
No, it's cash flow.
Yeah, cash flow.
We're not loaded.
Neither one of us.
We live on cash flow, basically.
We do.
We live by the ebb and flow of
cash.
If we were rich, we'd be, you know,
we wouldn't have this.
Our attitude is not that of a rich
person.
Either one of us.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think that, no.
You know who's rich?
Dana Brunetti.
And what does he donate?
Nothing.
Dana Brunetti is rich.
Yeah.
And he has a big giant ranch.
Yeah.
And when's the last time he donated?
Well, he relies on other people to donate
in his name at levels that he doesn't
appreciate.
Let's move on, shall we?
Onward with, oh, I'm sorry.
You got that one.
Stephen Trockels is here.
Or it's possibly Stefan.
I think it's Stefan.
It might be.
Stefan Trockels from Parts Unknown.
Double up karma for my nephew named, what
does that say?
Bali.
Bali.
Bali?
Yes.
Who recently completed his first trip, oh, around
the sun, having accumulated so many miles in
an airplane, he might as well be Generation
Delta Airlines.
Delta Airlines.
Get it?
Yeah, I get it.
Sorry.
You've been de-douched.
Sorry.
Accidental de-douching.
There we go.
And by the way, he came in with
222.
21019.
Eli the Coffee Guy always adds the date.
1019 today.
200 plus 1019.
He says, lots of goings on around the
globe.
Good thing we have AstroTurf protests and John
Bolton's mustache for the media here to talk
about.
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Keep up the great work.
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By the way, his Ethiopian Guji, well, organic,
whatever it is that he promoted a couple
shows ago.
Yeah.
I finally opened the bag and put it
in the machine.
It's outstanding.
Yeah.
He makes a good product, he and Jen
together.
I would like to see a picture of
his roaster with him standing next to it.
I want to see you lots of people's
roasters.
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This must be Steve Webb, because there's only
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I'm going to start this.
I like this.
Hyperlocal podcast, and this one belongs in it
as well.
So after proving the point about complaining, I
complain every so often about the Irish never
donating to the show.
They're no good.
And Peter McClay comes in from Dublin.
There we go.
$200 and 18 cents, no note, but he
will give him a double up karma.
Yeah, proof that moaning works.
You've got karma.
Why don't you do Linda and then I'll
do the long one because they want me
to read that one.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
No, I'm sorry.
That long one isn't even a two.
Oh, it's from Canada.
It is a Canada.
You're right.
It is.
Yes.
Linda Lou Patkin in Lakewood, Colorado.
$200 jobs, karma for a competitive edge with
a resume that gets results.
Go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive
resume and job search needs.
I'm doing a little modulation here.
Yeah, I can tell.
And job search needs.
That's imagemakersinc with a K.
And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs
and writer of winning resumes.
$200.
So I was talking to Vic because he
actually does sell.
He's in the sales chain, like the corporate
sales.
He actually does sell, like we don't.
No, no.
But no, that's not what I mean.
So a lot of his clients are the
sales.
If you're in like the Microsoft sales chain
and you sell, let's just say SharePoint or
whatever, you get a perpetual.
So as long as that company is using
the product, you as the in-between guy
in the sales chain, you get like 10
or 15 percent.
Yeah.
It's an unbelievable business.
Yeah, it's great.
And so he has, yeah, it's great.
He has a number of clients and we
were talking about use of AI for resumes.
And it turns out the number one thing
that you can really do with AI for
your resumes that will actually, and I'd love
to hear from Linda Lou Patkin on this,
is have AI do your headshot.
That's, and make sure your headshot is the
one you use on LinkedIn.
There's a couple of AI products that do
headshots for you.
Oh, see, it doesn't surprise me.
Yeah, there's a couple.
And they take your, you give them a
couple of photos and it'll create a perfect
headshot with the right background and the whole
thing.
It makes you look very professional.
And then I think we talked about it
on the show before.
Not that part.
I don't remember that part.
Maybe I've seen it.
It's been pointed out a couple of times.
They look good.
Sarah Nielsen comes in with $157.97, which
was 200 Canadian dollar reduce.
So we do honor that.
It's getting increasingly difficult, but we honor it.
She's from Val Morin, Quebec in Canada.
And she said, I hope this message finds
you well.
Adam, if you could, if possible, could you
try a Danish accent for this note?
If not, Dutch would work.
Danish.
Well, my Danish sounds a bit like my
Swedish, but I'll give it a shot.
I would like to to wish my smoking
hot husband, Alex, a happy 33, oops, I
mean 47th birthday today, October 19th.
What do you do when your husband and
your own birthday falls on a show day
all in the same week?
I will have to do like him and
donate.
May this $210.19 Canadian.
What am I doing?
I'll switch Dutch.
Go towards his knighthood.
Side note, his $200 U.S. donation on
show 1808 is 280 Canadians.
Alex and I have been on a glorious
journey for 23 years.
We meet while touring with Cirque du Soleil.
Oh, wow.
We had our first born.
That's cool.
Were you the lady in the cocktail glass?
We had our first born.
In the ball.
We had our first born on tour until
school age.
Then we started playing house, and we had
our second daughter and many crazy adventures ever
since.
It has been a blast.
Alex has been my rock and keeps inspiring
all of us girls.
Happy hunting, my love.
What do you want him to hunt?
There's two.
Yeah, really?
He doesn't quite understand the meaning of that.
Oh, it's Danish.
There's too many more years as we slowly
make the journey towards dame and knighthood.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
John, would you be so kind to play?
I love my truck and I love what
I do.
Yes, I would.
I love my truck.
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Congratulations again to these executive and associate executive
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Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the
mouth.
So, Lady Vox in the troll room says
she's disappointed.
She thought that her check would have reached
you by now.
She sent it nine days ago.
When did you check the P.O. box?
You check it regularly, don't you?
I'll tell you what, I checked that P
.O. box every Tuesday and Friday.
Oh, okay.
How long?
I don't know where she lives.
I don't know how long it would take.
The mail has been kind of unpredictable, I
would say.
Just just me.
Sometimes it takes longer than it should.
Sometimes it comes in like really fast.
I don't know how it works.
Hey, we have an Epstein update.
Epstein update.
Epstein?
Who's Epstein?
Prince Andrew gives up his royal title of
Duke of York as well as other honors
after his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
returns to the headlines.
The news comes ahead of the late Virginia
Roberts' Jeffrey's memoir, due to be published on
Tuesday.
Jeffrey alleged she was trafficked by Epstein and
had sex with Andrew when she was 17.
Claims Andrew denies.
In a statement released by Buckingham Palace on
Friday and with the agreement of his brother,
King Charles, Andrew said, the continued accusations about
me distract from the work of His Majesty
and the royal family.
In 2019, Andrew had already stepped down from
public life over links to Epstein, despite denying
any wrongdoing.
Interesting that she keeps saying Epstein.
The whole world knows it's Epstein.
I don't know why I have to say
Epstein.
And it seems like Duke of York title
is in play.
Anyone who wants to upgrade to Duke, you
can become the Duke of York.
I think we should give it to a
Duke of York promotion.
I think it was, it was very strange
that this guy bailed out.
Like, I mean, why didn't he do this
years ago?
Because the book is coming out and something
no good is in the book.
Something in the book that he knows about
is not good.
For sure.
For sure.
We have, let's see.
We have, oh yeah, I guess the, there's
a, well, let's start with this just cause,
just to keep up on it.
Bolton.
These were sealed indictments.
These were actual.
Before you, before you play that, let's play
Bolton is past commentary.
I have a clip here.
Bolton on his, on the whole, on the
legality of all these.
He, he had some way, he has some
commentary about Snowden and Assange and all these
people and how he felt about it.
We'll have to prove it.
Then, then he has committed very serious crimes.
This is, this, this is.
Wait, is this, this is, this is Bolton
and Mar-a-Lago raids?
Yeah.
He is talking about, he's talking about how
he, how the law should treat people who've
mishandled classified information.
Okay.
We'll have to prove it.
Then, then he has committed very serious crimes.
This is, this, this is a devastating indictment.
I speak here as an alumnus of the
justice department myself, because not only is it
powerful, it's very narrowly tailored.
They didn't throw everything up against the wall
to see what would stick.
This really is a rifle shot.
And I think it's, it should be the
end of Donald Trump's political career.
Oh, no, that's the one on Trump.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't have the other one, which is
even funnier.
No, but that is kind of funny in
light of the 18 indictments that were sealed.
Former UN ambassador and former Trump national security
advisor, John Bolton, appearing in federal court in
Maryland.
Bolton pleading not guilty to 18 counts of
alleged illegal transmission and retention of classified information.
He declared himself the latest target in weaponizing
the justice department to charge those Trump deems
to be his enemies.
Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be
indicted in three weeks.
The others, former FBI Director James Comey and
New York Attorney General Letitia James.
Earlier this week, the president.
What?
Where did this clip come from?
Let me check.
This seems a little slanted.
This is the third Trump enemy.
This ABC.
Yes, good catch.
Oh, it's a Trump enemy.
Yes.
It's a guy who broke the law.
Yeah, I know.
I'd actually put a note to myself and
forgot to stop it myself.
Thank you for catching that.
Trump deems to be his enemies.
Bolton is the third Trump enemy to be
indicted in three weeks.
Isn't that great?
I just love that.
I think it's fantastic.
They slip that in there.
The others, former FBI Director James Comey and
New York Attorney General Letitia James.
Earlier this week, the president urging the Justice
Department to keep going.
Bolton saying the Trump administration embodies what Joseph
Stalin's head of secret police once said.
You show me the man and I'll show
you the crime.
Bolton is accused of sharing classified information with
two family members in diary-like emails describing
his experiences in Trump's White House for a
tell-all book.
Prosecutors say that information, in addition to documents,
was discovered when the FBI searched his home.
President Trump saying this on Fox News.
He took classified information and he published it
during the presidency.
It's one thing to write a book after,
during.
And I believe that he's a criminal.
And I believe, frankly, he should go to
jail for that.
The indictment says Bolton's email was hacked by
an Iranian cyber actor gaining access to alleged
classified material.
Bolton did report the hack to authorities.
Bolton's attorneys deny any wrongdoing with Bolton insisting
his book was reviewed and approved by the
appropriate experienced career clearance officials.
If convicted, each count carries 10 years.
Yeah, I find this very interesting because, yeah,
first of all, he published it in a
book and he says it was cleared by
security officials.
I wonder who does that.
And then, oh, it was an Iranian cyber
hacker.
OK, yeah, well, I don't know.
You think he's going to go away?
I doubt it.
The Republicans are always making these threats and
never nothing.
I'm always reminded of James Comer.
Now, you say this, but you keep saying
it about the Republicans.
Look, everything in Congress, I'm with you.
Who cares?
It's uninteresting.
They don't do anything.
But when it gets to the Department of
Justice, that's not just the Republicans.
That's the Department of Justice.
And Pam Bondi, who we know is not
the brightest lamp, she could just take it
all the way.
You know, she could make it happen.
She can get someone put in jail.
We'll see.
Well, then there's the declassified Durham report documents.
The documents contain emails allegedly from the senior
vice president of the George Soros Open Society
Foundation.
He quotes a Clinton campaign advisor saying, quote,
it will be a long term affair and
to demonize Putin and Trump and adds that,
quote, later the FBI will put more oil
into the fire, unquote.
Other emails reveal Hillary Clinton approved the idea
of tying Trump and Russia to election interference,
and that was a scheme hoping the allegations
would distract people from her own email scandal.
These documents provide clear evidence that Hillary Clinton's
campaign was behind the Russia hoax and that
the FBI knew what the Clinton team was
up to, acknowledging that the info they were
receiving about the Trump campaign may have come
from the Clinton camp.
Despite this, the Obama intel community forged ahead
with their 2017 assessment, concluding that Russia aspired
to help Trump win the election.
So what laws?
Where did that report come from?
Fox.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, of course.
Nobody is reporting that but Fox.
And do you think that that can be
used to send someone like Comey or Brennan
to jail?
I think that I think there's a unless
they can prove conspiracy.
I don't know.
No, I don't think so either.
If they can't prove conspiracy because everything else
is statute of limitations is long gone.
Yeah, they have to prove conspiracy.
And, you know, that's why I think they're
going after Comey with this minor charge.
Yeah.
Get him on tax evasion.
Yeah, that's the trick.
And then sad news from the world of
rock and roll, everybody.
Rock and roll.
Sad news in the world of rock and
roll.
Rock and roll.
Ace Frehley, a founding member of the glam
rock band Kiss, has died after a recent
fall.
Frehley's driving guitar sound powered the band that
captivated audiences with elaborate makeup and thrilling stage
performances.
His agent says Frehley died peacefully Thursday, surrounded
by family in Morristown, New Jersey.
Ace Frehley was 74.
They leaving a lot out there.
Ace Frehley, lifelong addict.
So bad that his daughter just she quit
her job, everything to try and keep him
alive and keep him off substances.
And then he slipped and he fell and
then he got a brain bleed and they
thought it was going to be OK, but
then he wasn't, which I don't know if
he would.
His driving guitar was really the success of
Kiss, but it was an element.
It was it was an element.
Yeah.
74 is too young.
It's too young.
Too young.
I tell you.
Well, if you're strung out, it's easy to
get that far.
Climate change.
There's a new report.
Man, I'm so happy.
I really hope that.
Well, before you play the new report on
climate change, let's play my old report from
2009.
OK, climate change from John Kerry on the
Congress floor.
In five years, scientists predict we will have
the first ice free Arctic summer that exposes
more ocean to sunlight.
Ocean is dark.
It consumes more of the heat from the
sunlight, which then accelerates the rate of of
the of the melting and warming rather than
the ice sheet and the snow that used
to reflect it back up into the atmosphere.
No.
So that was so 10 years ago we
should have had an ice free Arctic.
Well, he said in five years and that
was 2009.
So in 2014, which is 11 years ago,
11 years, we should have had an Arctic,
a free Arctic, even though we're buying ice
breakers for some reason from Finland.
This is a good beat, John.
I want you to keep bringing these on.
All these old clips, just keep bringing them
up.
And then there's a good intro to the
new clips on which you have.
Yes, it's a new report.
And of course, it's actually quite similar.
Sweltering heat and cracked earth all over the
world.
Global warming is having an impact.
Oh, no.
Cracked earth.
And it's getting hotter.
Average global temperatures have risen by 0.3
degrees Celsius since 2015, leading to 11 more
hot days per year.
A decade ago, almost 200 governments came together
to sign the Paris Agreement.
So I love the hot days.
I don't know what a hot day is.
You know, it's a hot day.
Hot day here is over 100.
A hot day for you might be 90.
You know, it's like, what's a hot day?
And no, I don't like this at all.
I don't like these.
You should be a little more exact.
An international climate.
85.
Is that a hot day for you?
I think so, yeah.
Most 200 governments came together to sign the
Paris Agreement.
Yes, just a reminder, the Paris Agreement, part
of the North Sea Nexus.
An international climate accord that obliges nations to
reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and limit temperature
rise to no more than 2 degrees Celsius.
Before the agreement was signed.
What?
What?
What happened to 1.5?
No, no, it's a moving target.
Emissions and limit temperature rise to no more
than 2 degrees Celsius.
Before the agreement was signed, global warming was
estimated to reach 4 degrees Celsius above pre
-industrial levels by the end of the century,
which scientists say would have led to 114
additional hot days per year.
This is the new metric.
It's how many extra hot days you get.
Hey, you know what?
There's people that live in Holland and they're
happy with hot days.
They're like, it's beautiful weather.
I live in a perpetual car wash.
I like hot weather.
If enacted, pledges made under the accord would
limit warming to 2.6 degrees, leading to
half the number of hot days.
It's progress, say experts, as part of a
new study.
But more still needs to be done.
We are still not seeing the highest possible
ambition.
And that is obviously a huge problem.
And Brit, Brit, North Sea Nexus.
It is a problem that will be paid
for with the lives and livelihoods of.
Lives.
Yeah, the poorest people in the world.
Poorest people in the world will die.
You evil, evil Westerners.
In every country.
Heat is the deadliest type of extreme weather,
contributing to an estimated half a million deaths
globally every year.
And it's often underestimated.
Only around half of countries worldwide have heat
early warning systems in place, with coverage uneven
and far fewer systems found in Africa, Latin
America and parts of Asia.
We need heat early warning systems.
Another exit strategy.
It's called a thermometer.
OK, we can keep playing these sorts of
things.
Yeah, I don't have any more, but.
I think more dangerous is Starshield.
Have you heard about this?
Yes, I have.
I have heard about it.
I have a clip.
I would love to hear your clips about
Starshield, because it seems like they're on the
hand bands.
Exactly.
It all began with a guy living out
in British Columbia named Scott Tilley.
Tilley tracks satellites for fun, kind of like
plane spotting, but in space.
He was working with his.
Yeah, there it is.
That categorizes your typical amateur radio operator, kind
of like a plane spotter in space.
Tilley tracks satellites for fun, kind of like
plane spotting, but in space.
He was working with his equipment one day.
And it was just a clumsy move at
the keyboard.
I was just resetting some stuff.
He switched to the wrong antenna and found
himself looking at a range of radio frequencies
that are normally quiet.
He was about to move on when he
saw something weird.
It's really subtle.
Just, you know, you catch it by the
corner of your eye.
Hey, wait a minute.
That's exactly the type of stuff I'm normally
looking for.
A radio signal from a satellite, but at
the wrong frequency.
Tilley recorded the signal and then looked at
a catalog other amateurs had created of all
the satellites in space.
And bang, up came an unusual identification that
I wasn't expecting at all.
Starshield.
Starshield is a classified network of intelligence satellites
from the commercial company SpaceX.
Its users include spy agencies like the National
Reconnaissance Office, which launched a batch of Starshield
satellites just last month.
Two, one, ignition.
And liftoff of Falcon 9.
Go SpaceX, go NRL 48.
Tilley has since spotted a lot more Starshields,
170 in all.
And that's a problem, he says, because this
frequency they're using to send data down to
Earth is supposed to be used for the
exact opposite, for sending commands from Earth to
civilian satellites.
He worries Starshield could mess them up.
Nearby satellites could receive radio frequency interference and
could perhaps not respond properly to commands or
ignore commands from Earth.
Kevin Gifford is a computer scientist at the
University of Colorado Boulder who specializes in radio
interference from spacecraft.
He agrees Starshield signals could cause interference.
I'm skeptical about this because the way I
understand it is he's using, or these Starshields
are sending signals on the downlink, what should
be the uplink from a bunch of hams
on CubeSats.
So I'm not sure if that's going to
mess up command and control of other satellites.
Well, that's what they imply.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's true.
I think that it's definitely happening.
How big of an impact is a question.
The truth is satellite operators really don't send
that many commands from Earth to space, and
the commands they do send via uplink are
usually brief.
That uplink has a low probability of being
corrupted simply because the uplink in those bands
is not happening that often.
SpaceX and the NRO did not respond to
NPR's request for comment about the transmissions, but
Tilley says he thinks the world needs to
know.
These secret satellites are beaming out a signal
that could mess up other spacecraft.
Hmm, but I thought that it was on
a ham, part of the ham band for
satellite communications.
Did I misunderstand that?
They never say.
You know, Vic, same Vic, he's going to
be one of the first reps for, ah,
I forget the name of it.
What's the Amazon Starlink variant?
Amazon.
Amazon's shipping some...
Yes.
Amazon is going to put satellite birds up?
They already are.
Yeah.
Yeah, let me see.
It's called Kuiper.
There you go.
Using that same crackpot technology that Musk uses?
So it's called Kuiper, which is a Dutch
name.
Kuiper?
Yeah, K-U-I-P-E-R, Kuiper.
But according to Vic, this will be gigabit
speeds.
Bull.
Well, I mean, hey, he's a sales guy,
so...
But you should...
Bless you.
If Vic says it, I believe it.
That woman who wrote the note will be
bitching about me doing that.
John, you're so rude and so mean to
Adam, you keep sneezing in the middle of
him.
Can't you mute your mic?
Well, good news for the fans.
The Secretary's General's jingle is coming up, as
we have four, four, one, two, yes, four
Secretaries General to celebrate today.
Of course, John's tip of the day coming
up, and some outstanding end of show mixes
along with our meetups.
And right now, John is going to thank
the Value for Value producers who supported us,
$50 and above.
Yes, starting with Stephen or Stephan, Kirkpatrick.
This is, I think this is Stephen.
This will be Stephen.
Probably, but it could be anything, who knows.
Yes, indeed.
Langley Washington, one, three, five, three, eight.
Nathan Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee, one, two, three,
four, five.
Well, you know who Nathan is.
Yeah, Mercy Me.
He's the only one.
Where's the other guys from this band?
Well, we're never going to get Bart the
singer.
I don't think he's a Noah Jenner guy.
Left winger, singer, winger.
He's moody.
He's a vocalist.
He's moody.
But Barry and Mike, yes, Schwu, they are
big supporters.
And they love the show.
And they want us to open up and
go on the cruise, the Mercy Me cruise,
and do a Noah Jenner show talk.
That's nice.
It's lucrative.
I'm sure it is.
That's a no from John.
I didn't say that.
You're reading into what I say.
I'm mean.
Because you're mean.
There it is again.
Yeah, I'm mean.
Cody Dobson in San Antonio, Texas, one, oh
five, thirty five.
He's your neighbor, he says.
And he's a de-douching.
Oh.
You've been de-douched.
Wow.
Wait, wait.
He wants to call out his good friend,
supposedly good friend, James Walker, as a douchebag.
Well, Cody is, yeah, San Antonio is kind
of a neighbor, but it's about an hour
away.
Do you go there?
I go there, yes.
I think you go there for the Costco,
if I'm not mistaken.
Tina goes there for the Costco.
Robert Pettah in Sacramento, or Sacto, as we
call it locally, California, 100.
Sir Dan, the quiet man, in Kenton, Georgia,
84, 38.
Ah, Kevin McLaughlin's here, Concord, North Carolina, 8
-0-8-0-0-8.
He's the Archduke Luna lover, America lover of
boobs and melons.
P.S. Save second base.
I don't want to get into it.
That's one of the better ones.
Save second base.
Save second base.
You got a laugh out of us?
It's a good one, yeah.
It's a good one.
Christopher O'Hara, yeah, in Humblestown, Pennsylvania, 77
-73.
Darius Walker in Charleston, West Virginia, 74-14.
Ah, that's the West Virginia Hill donation.
Yeah, he sent you a note.
Timothy Lipton in Truckee, California, 75-88.
Ah, Dame Becky, good old Dame Becky in
Arlington, Washington, 69-96.
What is this?
H-J-C-J, is that what that
is?
H-J-C-J, Holtman.
Yeah, Hoffman.
Holtman, Holtman.
Holtman, Holtman.
Yes.
Holtman.
Yes.
In Wormer, Wormerver.
Wormerver.
Wormerver, which I think means the water filled
with worms.
Is that what it really means?
I think so, something like that, yeah.
Yeah, he's in Holland, 60-61.
Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago, 6-006.
Dame Liberty Mom in Vista, California, 6-006.
And then we got, oh, nuts.
Okay.
Nuts?
Yeah, I hit the button to move the
scroll and it shot to the top.
Dean Roker, 55-10.
Sir Nick in Knoxville, Tennessee, 52-72.
Is there anything in here he wants to
say?
Yeah, there's some make goods in here.
He says, as a follow-up to my
instant night donation show, 1807.
That's why we stop and read this.
And for novelty's sake, I'd love to include
a secretary of generalship as well as that.
Okay, yes, you're on the list.
He wants to be the secretary general of
the Daily Grind.
Additionally, I previously, I left out my request
for jobs karma and for the entire Mazzoni
clan baby-making karma.
Many thanks and kind regards, Sir Nick of,
Knight of Knoxville's 33rd Degree.
So jobs and baby karma will be at
the end of this list.
Baby-making karma.
Kent O'Rourke in Frostburg, Maryland, 52-72.
Baron Henry of the Outpost West in Rancho
Palos Verdes, California.
52-42.
Andrew Benz in Imperial, Missouri, 50-05.
And from there, we go to the $50
donors.
And this is just gonna be the names
and the locations of these people.
Starting with the Chris Cowan in Austin.
Madison Hardin in Fort Mill, South Carolina.
Scott Lavender in Montgomery, Texas.
Noah McDonald in Traverse City, Michigan.
Terrence Boyer in Tuscola, Illinois.
Andrew Gusick in Greensboro, North Carolina.
Ryan Asito in Argyle, Texas.
Lisa Rosa in Highland Park, Illinois.
No King's Chuckles from Chicago.
She sent a note with some photos, I
guess.
Leanne Shipley in Covington, Washington.
And last on the list, our buddy, the
Baron of Beaverton.
Alan Bain in Beaverton, Oregon.
And that's a group of well-wishers and
supporters and people that made show 180...
Is it 1809?
1809.
The possibility made it happen.
Thank you.
And thank you again to our executive and
associate executive producers for this episode.
Your credits are real and they are listed
in the show notes here as requested.
The jobs and baby-making karma.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Karma.
Karma.
And I just realized I forgot Linda Lou
Patkins' jobs karma.
So we'll do a double jobs karma for
her on the next donation on the next
show.
Sorry about that, Linda.
Thank you again to these donors.
noagendadonations.com is where you can support us.
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We've been doing it for almost 18 years.
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Send that money back in whatever is valuable
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loving, resilient wife, Lauren, a happy birthday.
She turned 35 yesterday.
Sir Raquel turned crazy Steve.
Happy birthday to his wife Dame Dream Girl
Rose.
She celebrates today.
And Sarah Nielsen wishes her smoking hot husband,
Alex, a very happy birthday.
He turns 47 today.
Happy birthday from everybody here at the best
podcast in the universe.
Time now for that jingle that is the
earworm of the century.
That's right.
We have secretaries general to celebrate today.
We say congratulations to Secretary General of the
Daily Grind, Secretary General of Southern Nye County,
Land of Hookers and Blow, Secretary General of
the Shangri-La, and the Secretary General of
the Sunshine State.
Go to noagenderings.com.
Give us the information where to send this
very handsome secretaries general certificate to you.
It is well deserved.
Almost the last batch of the no agenda
secretaries general.
I'm going to miss the jingle.
Honestly, I'm going to miss it.
I love that jingle.
And I love my truck.
Time now for our no agenda meetups.
I got a couple of meetups taking place
today.
Pat's surprise birthday party in Michigan.
I guess the Michigan local one is already
doing this at two o'clock.
Horrocks Farm Market Beer Garden in Lansing, Michigan.
Thursday, our next show day, the happy birthday
no agenda meetup at Canyon's Crown in Tucson,
Arizona.
That is one show before the actual 18th
anniversary.
And that will start at 419 Arizona time
for some reason.
I'm not quite sure why.
Coming up, Los Altos, California.
The 25th Camp Hill, Pennsylvania.
The 26 Berlin, Germany.
Hello, Deutschland on the 27th.
Alpharetta, Georgia on the 30th.
Hello to the Hollanders in Leiden on the
31st.
Indianapolis, Indiana.
They will be back with their monthly meetup
on November 2nd, the 15th.
Another get John out of the house meetup
in Albany, California.
Zurich, Switzerland on the 15th and going all
the way through January.
Santa Rosa, California.
What we really like is when you send
us in a meetup report.
We appreciate those.
Of course, we love it when you include
your server.
If you want to find out where all
these no agenda meetups are taking place, go
to no agenda meetups dot com.
Remember, this is where you get the connection
that always brings you very important protection.
It is community, common unity.
That's right.
These are your first responders in any type
of disaster.
No agenda meetups dot com.
If you can't find one on the list,
no problem.
Start one yourself.
It's easy and always a party.
We got John's tip of the day coming
up.
Everybody loves the tip of the day.
They have been increasingly interesting as tips of
the day.
Everyone.
I saw the Manchurian candidate rocketed to the
top of the charts.
Everyone picking that one up from the classic
movies.
And before we do that, we always like
to take a look at some of the
end of show.
I said, what?
I don't see any ISOs on your list.
I have none.
I'm deferring.
Well, I have three.
You get to choose.
Hail to the king, baby.
Okay, we have this one.
Bye bye.
Bye bye.
And this one is a little long, but
I kind of liked it.
What are we doing?
You have a podcast, but you don't have
a YouTube channel.
Yes, that was sent in by someone.
Yeah, you don't like that one.
I do kind of like it.
But you know, when you bring in the
Jones material, there's no competition.
I agree.
AJ, it is.
But first, we have to listen to the
very important John Cena Borax tip of the
day.
Okay, this is a screwball tip.
This is for people who travel in Europe
by train.
Okay, everybody pay attention.
That's you.
It could be anybody because you get a
Eurorail pass, which Americans love to do.
And you just jump on the train.
You go from here to there.
But it's kind of a pain in the
ass to figure out where to go, how
to go.
Where is the schedules?
The Deutsche Bahn puts together a website for
everybody.
But there's an international travelers version, which is
the one I'm recommending.
And the website is int.
Exactly right.
Get it right now.
int.bahn, B-A-H-N, dot D
-E slash English, E-N.
I think if you don't put the E
-N, it still works.
But you can also look it up on
Google, a Deutsche Bahn international travel site.
You put in where you're going.
And this is for all of Europe.
And it includes the UK.
I don't know why they do this.
Because there's all these different competing operations in
Europe with the different train companies.
But you put in where you're starting and
where you want to go.
And it will take you from train to
train to train, show you what platform you're
landing on, what platform to go to to
transfer to the next train.
At what time the train comes in and
at what time the next train leaves and
what platform it's on.
It's unbelievable.
If you happen to be traveling through Europe
in Deutschland.
Well, Europe, Eastern Europe, Middle Europe, England, all
the way up to Sweden.
It's just astonishing that they have this and
it's well-structured, very easy to deal with.
They've changed the interface a little bit.
I used to use this a lot, you
know, 20 years ago or 30 years ago.
Yeah.
And I thought the layout was a little
nicer when it was more old-fashioned.
But it still works.
That's because you like blink tags.
There was no blink tags involved.
And the cat running across the bottom.
That's what I was missing.
There it is, everybody.
Find them all at tipoftheday.net.
John's Tip of the Day.
Created by Dana Brunetti.
And in the show notes, I just added
it.
A 1989 interview I did with Ace Frehley
on the Headbangers Ball, which I cannot remember.
But it did happen, apparently.
You were a pothead.
Oh, that's why.
Yeah, now I remember.
Thanks.
Thanks for reminding me.
That's it for No Agenda for today.
But we will be back in just a
few short days.
Thursday, our next show day.
There will be plenty to deconstruct.
No doubt about it.
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Let us deconstruct it for you.
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music, upbeats.
It's a great show if you want to
hear some cool music that you may not
hear anywhere else.
An end of show mixes from our very
own Clip Custodian Neil Jones.
And we've got, uh, uh, what was it?
Jeff, uh, Jeff and his buddy.
I'm sorry.
I forgot who you were.
Uh, with a toe tapper soon to be
in the No Agenda the musical.
Coming to you from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country in the morning.
Everybody, I'm Adam Curry.
And from the northern Silicon Valley, I'm John
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Remember us at noagendadonation.com until Thursday.
Adios, mofos, a hui hui and such.
A planted gun was referred to by the
detective as a ham sandwich.
Every cop that I knew carried a ham
sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
Is a clean gun that they would take
and put it in like an old pair
of jeans or britches or whatever you want
to call it.
And they'd let it sit there and get
some lint on it.
Grand jury is where you go to indict
the ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
Grand jury.
The ham sandwich.
Grand jury.
A ham sandwich.
The ham sandwich.
So you carried around a gun to plan
on suspects?
Yeah, of course.
A ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
Hey, this was an underground culture.
They would carry around something they call a
ham sandwich, and they would plant that ham
sandwich at the scene of officer-involved shootings.
Because it sounds so official.
A ham sandwich.
A ham sandwich.
Cry, cry, baby, cry.
Blue cry, nothing but blue cry.
Cry, baby, cry.
Blue cry, nothing but blue cry.
Cry, baby, cry.
The best podcast in the universe.
Adios.
Mopo.
Dvorak.org slash N-A.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.