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Adam Curry: Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak, Sunday, March 26 2023.
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Industry Award winning one
nation media assassination
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episode 1541.
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Unknown: This is no agenda with
blossoming
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Adam Curry: blue bonnets and
broadcasting live from the heart
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of the Texas hill country here
in FEMA Region number six in the
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morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
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John C Dvorak: and I'm from
Northern Silicon Valley, where
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we're awaiting the results of
the mega strike I'm Jesse
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Devorah. Kill
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Adam Curry: Whoa, mega strike
mega strike we striking but mega
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strike.
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John C Dvorak: Wow, I don't have
been in the air.
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Adam Curry: I was I was in Yes,
I was in the air. I heard I
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don't I know about the the
tornado in Mississippi. God
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bless those people. But I don't
know about the mega strike.
0:51
Yeah, what happened
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John C Dvorak: to make a strike
all of Germany's transportation
0:56
is shutting down completely.
night tonight.
1:01
Adam Curry: Germany no less.
1:02
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the whole
country.
1:04
Adam Curry: Holy crap.
1:05
John C Dvorak: Every flight is
canceled.
1:06
Adam Curry: Oh, I didn't know. I
knew that. I knew France was you
1:10
know, we had a problem there.
But I didn't know. It's now and
1:13
what is the what is the issue
with Deutschland?
1:16
John C Dvorak: How much the
money now that's it. So 12 and
1:22
15%. Raises? I think Deutsche
Bahn wants or,
1:26
Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. DE DE
barra de Botton
1:29
John C Dvorak: on the trains one
15% In the airlines want 12
1:33
Adam Curry: Wow, I'd say
actually we're pretty lucky to
1:35
get out when we did then. All
things consider not going to
1:40
bond No, but you know when you
when you get Yeah, screws up
1:45
everything It sure does. I
thought it was just France.
1:49
France is Francis no better by
the way, turning
1:51
Unknown: overseas violent
clashes. Today, as an estimated
1:55
1 million people took to the
streets protesting the
1:57
government's move to raise the
retirement age from 62 to 64. In
2:02
Paris, a few dozen people were
arrested after attacking police
2:05
and businesses. City Hall and
Bordeaux was set on fire labor
2:09
strikes are impacting schools,
transportation, garbage removal,
2:13
gasoline supplies and shutting
down tourist sites, including
2:16
the Eiffel Tower. Libyans are
calling for more protests next
2:20
week when Britain's King Charles
visits France
2:25
Adam Curry: at least the French
and the German agree on
2:27
something for once. Whether it's
it's not the same thing but
2:32
they're doing the same. That's
all striking.
2:36
John C Dvorak: The German was
seems a little more organized by
2:39
the we know that and it has a
name it what is the name? Mega
2:44
strike.
2:46
Adam Curry: That's that's the
American name. No, that's
2:49
John C Dvorak: their name. They
2:50
Adam Curry: the Germans are
calling it mega strike. Yeah,
2:53
really?
2:54
John C Dvorak: Yeah. We get
nothing to do with it.
2:59
Adam Curry: I do have a follow
up. I
3:01
John C Dvorak: have some Paris
stuff.
3:02
Adam Curry: Well, Oh, okay.
Good. Then I have I have a
3:04
follow up for that. Yeah, let's
do some Paris stuff since since
3:07
Pierre isn't
3:09
John C Dvorak: a new source. A
new
3:11
Adam Curry: source. All right. T
3:13
John C Dvorak: D. UK.
3:17
Unknown: This is in D
3:19
Adam Curry: D. Okay. Okay.
3:21
John C Dvorak: I'll get started
with the king. No, go Paris.
3:23
Bernie one.
3:25
Adam Curry: This sounds good.
3:26
Unknown: King Charles. A state
visit to France originally
3:29
planned for Sunday has been
postponed. It comes after the
3:33
protests over pension reform
erupted overnight into some of
3:36
the worst street violence seen
in years. French President
3:40
Macron defended the move, saying
it would have lacked sense to
3:44
stage a historic visit amid
social unrest. During the
3:48
demonstrations. Police arrested
hundreds of protesters and some
3:52
police officers were injured.
3:54
Not a time for a king to visit
France. French President
3:57
Emmanuel Macron announced that
King Charles state visit would
4:01
be postponed so your best to
you.
4:03
I think it wouldn't have been
serious of us. And we'd have
4:06
liked common sense if we propose
the state visit to His Majesty
4:09
the King and the Queen concert
in the midst of the protests.
4:13
Potentially a major
embarrassment for Macron, who
4:16
had hoped the monarchs visit
would mark a simple step forward
4:20
in the two countries efforts to
turn the page after years of
4:23
poor relations post Brexit. The
French president has condemned
4:28
the violence that erupted in the
many protests across France on a
4:31
Thursday. He says he will not
overturn the controversial
4:36
pension reform legislation.
4:38
Adam Curry: So what why actually
is I'm not sure why King Charles
4:42
is going there at all.
4:45
John C Dvorak: Well, the way
they make it sound is is to mend
4:48
relations after the Brexit
that's what every that's when
4:54
those reports all come in,
trying to mend relations So I
5:01
don't know what their relation
5:03
Adam Curry: meant. What do you
mean? Is it you deal with a
5:06
needle and thread like me men
let's mend this.
5:10
John C Dvorak: Let's go part two
of this.
5:11
Adam Curry: Oh this had this
must be part of this must be the
5:13
channel. That must be the
problem, the channel and
5:17
migrants coming over in in
little dinghies
5:22
John C Dvorak: sneaking. That's
probably
5:24
Unknown: what has to do various
as well as other cities in the
5:27
country have plunged into chaos
due to nationwide strikes. In
5:32
one district, a street fire
spread to a building that has
5:35
been evacuated. The main door of
the city hall in the
5:38
southwestern French city of
Bordeaux was set ablaze. In the
5:42
streets of the capital residents
had mixed feelings on the
5:45
protests the way forward.
5:47
I condemn all of this damage.
The protesters claims are
5:51
completely legitimate. We can
agree or disagree, but it's
5:55
legitimate. It's just that the
rules must be respected. For
5:59
you. It looks like there were
attempts to try with softer
6:02
diplomacy with the unions with
protests that was quite peaceful
6:06
over the past weeks. Now there
is forcibly a threshold crossed,
6:10
which leads to violence on the
other side.
6:13
The majority of French people
are dissatisfied with the way
6:16
macro implemented. The pension
reform post suggests a
6:20
television interview on
Wednesday failed to change
6:23
people's minds with protests
raging, the President went to an
6:27
EU summit on Friday in Brussels.
6:31
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I had this.
I had this clipped in half.
6:36
Unfortunately missed it. It was
some wordage that I had a
6:39
disagreement. They said it was
legislation. It was never
6:42
legislate legislation. It was
just an edict.
6:52
Adam Curry: Right, an edict that
could not, yes, that bypass
6:56
legislation, but it becomes law.
I think it becomes actual law in
7:00
this process.
7:02
John C Dvorak: Now, the only
other clip I have, which is the
7:05
more interesting of the group is
that is a strategy clip that
7:09
somebody put together. I think
it was NTD is Paris protests
7:13
strategy.
7:14
Unknown: Paris authorities
recorded 903 fires, and 441
7:19
injured police officers for
Thursday's protest alone. During
7:23
the yellow vest movement, police
has developed a strategy to
7:26
respond to protesters. But it
appears that demonstrators this
7:30
time are using the delight water
tactic employed by Hong Kongers
7:33
during their protest movement,
meaning they scatter as soon as
7:36
police show up and regroup in
other areas. This cat and mouse
7:41
game It makes for some
astonishing scenes, you can find
7:44
yourself surrounded by dozens of
protesters in the middle of the
7:47
road before quickly moving to
another area. Meanwhile, you can
7:51
hear police sirens all the time
and see police car Dashing
7:54
through the Capitol.
7:55
Adam Curry: I think the black
bloc is now also operational in
7:59
Paris, which is the OG Antifa.
And that's their, that's their
8:03
strategy. They do stuff like
that they're pretty well
8:05
organized. When it comes to
8:07
John C Dvorak: I find it
fascinating that they're using
8:10
it because I guess the Yellow
Jacket protests or the yellow
8:14
vest, they had figured out how
to control it. And so now that
8:18
we get to his new ideas, it's
kind of interesting to me
8:22
Adam Curry: in the in the vein
of Never let a good crisis go to
8:26
waste, we go to France 24
Believe it or not, I picked this
8:30
up on their tech segment. While
though I would say if the French
8:35
really knew this was going on
and it wasn't stuffed away in
8:38
the F 24. Tech segment. They
might be up in arms
8:42
Unknown: over it. It is time for
our tech 24 segment and tech 24.
8:47
For that I'm joined by Peter
O'Brien, like every week Hello
8:50
there.
8:52
Adam Curry: So you notice how
one of the tech segment that I
8:54
saw is no longer news like, hey,
we just took phones just off
8:58
we're not talking about off. You
know what I mean? Tech is always
9:01
John C Dvorak: you that NPR
though with news. O'Brien,
9:05
Unknown: like every week Hello
there. We're going to come back
9:10
here to France, the pension
reform and the anger over that
9:14
that wasn't the only controversy
here in Parliament this week. So
9:19
tell us more about what else
went down
9:25
under the radar a little bit in
the international press. But it
9:28
was a big change in terms of
surveillance law in France that
9:32
got passed in French Parliament
this week, even though not many
9:35
MPs actually turned up to vote
on this bill. But yesterday, a
9:40
bill was passed, which
essentially means that
9:43
algorithmic video surveillance
so that's AI empowered use of
9:48
cameras to survey crowds and
events, sports events that's now
9:53
being provided a legal framework
in France and it's essentially
9:57
been legalized. Now this will
allow Official computers to
10:01
recognize and signal risks and
disturbances in public spaces,
10:06
things that perhaps human
observers wouldn't pick up on.
10:09
It's part of a special package
of laws for the Olympics and
10:13
Paralympics next year. And as
such this video surveillance
10:17
parts will it's slated to only
be in effect until June 2025.
10:21
But you will know that no, it's
almost a year after the end of
10:26
the Olympics. The idea is for
the government to be able to
10:29
keep millions of people who will
flock to the French capital
10:32
safe. But many privacy activists
are obviously concerned that
10:37
this might be a precursor to a
new status quo of AI enhanced
10:42
surveillance.
10:43
Adam Curry: Oh, no kidding. And
the video they're showing is,
10:47
you know, the the typical, you
know, there's a box around
10:50
everybody. It's got a little
number, your ID, it's following
10:53
you. And I know that AI Servette
surveillance that should be
10:59
frightening to the French. But
the young they had there's not
11:04
much about it unless you're
watching the tech 20 fours news
11:08
tech news. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
looking at Deutsche Avella. You
11:13
think that Deutsche Avella
somewhere on their homepage or
11:16
under German news would have
something about the mega strike
11:19
there is nothing
11:20
John C Dvorak: top news on this
morning's live
11:23
Adam Curry: top news Berlin at
all.
11:27
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you think
do you think it would be on the
11:28
on the website? Yeah, all the
airports are shuttered. Right as
11:32
of now. Pa
11:33
Adam Curry: just nothing about
that on on on. DW dw.com
11:39
Everybody know nothing. Wow.
Transgender women banned from
11:43
female athletics. They got that
at the top. Berlin climate
11:47
referendum false. Oh, speaking
of climate. I have very
11:50
important news to report from
Jamaica. regarding climate
11:55
change,
11:56
John C Dvorak: oh, yes, we will.
Let's take a break here and talk
11:58
a little bit about your you made
it back.
12:00
Adam Curry: Yes. And may I say
the comparison even though sank
12:04
Sanger Sanger airport in Montego
Bay is a bit hectic. To say the
12:10
least. Man compared to TSA our
guys are dicks man. They're also
12:16
friendly. Yeah, man. I see you
got computer in there take it
12:19
out. It's no it's no problem but
12:22
John C Dvorak: wow, here's your
racist voice so that's
12:25
Adam Curry: my No that's not my
racist voice. So so you know and
12:29
they only had the magnetometer
which of course I'm fine was I
12:31
go through the magnetometer and
I got the studio suitcase. And
12:35
you know, if I if I had to take
they also take out your
12:38
computers, your laptops, your
iPad, your iPhones, technically,
12:42
I take out the the laptop. Now
still in there are two portable
12:46
screens and the road caster Pro,
so I have complied. But of
12:52
course, they like Mr. We can't
see through it. You got the
12:54
laptop in there. So no, I don't
have a laptop in there. Well,
12:58
you have to come and take it
out. So now I've got it took up
13:00
my boots. And I took out I'd
already taken off my boots and
13:03
my belt. I had them back on now
I'm on the other side of the
13:06
magnetometer. The guy and so the
guy says come through. So I'm
13:10
walking back against traffic
with my boots on with my belt on
13:14
PPP. He says you got to take it
out. So I take it out put all in
13:18
one bin, because we go I mean, I
thought you put them in separate
13:22
bins, but put all in one Bin
Bin, and then it goes through
13:25
and then I walked through PPP
places or take your boots off. I
13:28
said, I just I just walked
through because he said I had to
13:31
you know take everything I was
okay. Why? Okay, that's cool. I
13:37
wasn't here a minute ago. You're
good to go, literally. So I hope
13:42
everyone on the flight felt safe
with me a possible terrorist.
13:47
Everything went well though.
That was that was that was
13:49
really nice. Our flight was on
time, American. Unbelievable.
13:52
But yeah, it happened. Now
before I left though I did. I
13:56
did do some scientific research.
Now the first time I went to
14:01
this particular resort, was 30
years ago. This is when I did a
14:06
regular there. I was a bit for a
while when I lived on the East
14:10
Coast. You know, the East Coast
is hop skip and a jump. It's
14:12
kind of like Hawaii for
14:15
John C Dvorak: for people who
have four hours.
14:19
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is like
three and a half I guess even
14:20
from from New York. It's
probably three hours, three
14:23
hours, a hop, skip and a jump.
Now, so I was there 30 years
14:27
ago. That's why I did a
documentary of Jamaica. And
14:30
that's where we started. And
then I lost my very big small
14:34
place has been there. It's been
there forever. 70 years, I think
14:39
at this point still upheld quite
well. The last time I was there,
14:42
and I've probably been there 10
times was 20 years ago. And a
14:48
lot of the employees are still
there. They've been there for
14:50
3536 years. They know they get
this job. They stay there. They
14:54
love it. It's a family and Oh
Mr. Curry, welcome. Welcome
14:58
home. And so the bar on the
beach, there's a little beach, a
15:03
little beach is built around a
tree. It's one of those trees in
15:07
the middle. And then it's, you
know, there's a wooden bar built
15:10
around it. We all know this. And
so I say to Stuart, who's been
15:13
there for 36 years, Stewart
Stewart, how come? You're not up
15:18
to your neck and water from the
from the rising sea levels from
15:20
the climate change? He looks at
me and he's, he says, don't
15:25
bring that him on. It's like no,
not a single centimeter has been
15:30
lost the beaches exactly the
same as 30. I know that what
15:34
we've been told exactly the same
as 30 years ago. Nothing has
15:40
changed exactly the same beach
as it lets a tiny little beach
15:44
so it would be very noticeable.
It's like a cove more than
15:47
anything. Yeah, you would notice
it and you'd think that the
15:50
there's a couple of private
houses that are part of this
15:53
establishment right on the beach
and the right on the beach, you
15:56
think it'd be falling in? No,
no, from 30 is still there the
15:59
same things? Well,
16:00
John C Dvorak: something's up
with it must
16:02
Adam Curry: I don't know what
they're doing in Jamaica?
16:04
They're doing something
different. Very, very
16:06
suspicious. So, yes, yeah. And
they all they all thought it was
16:14
very funny though. It's the
Jamaicans like, the, if they
16:21
really know you're in on it,
then they'll smile and laugh
16:23
like, Okay, I got you.
Otherwise, they'll just be like,
16:26
What are you talking about? And
they'll be real. If you're, if
16:29
you're in with the gang, then
then they'll lead up. I'm sure
16:32
they have to deal with a lot of
crazy people who believe all
16:38
kinds of crazy things like the
like the yoga lady who came in
16:44
from New York. And we had a chat
with our from a Texas Oh, okay.
16:48
Hey, nice to meet you. I'm gonna
stand over here. The minute you
16:52
heard we're from Texas, she
started to edge away. Why?
16:56
Because she she immediately
could feel that we were not in
16:59
her in her team from Manhattan.
We were not her crowd. I can you
17:04
could the it's like, it's like
the temperature dropped five
17:07
degrees. Well, from Texas. Oh,
Dick. Yeah. The way it is.
17:16
They're just speaking with
climate change. For one second.
17:19
There's a new movie coming out
Oliver Stone. You heard about
17:23
this?
17:25
John C Dvorak: No, I have not.
17:26
Adam Curry: No, I have a little
bit of the trailer. And I think
17:29
well now first of all, he's all
in on climate change. You got to
17:31
know Oliver Stone. All in
climate change is happening.
17:35
Fossil fuels, we got to stop.
And if we don't stop the carbon
17:39
dioxide 100% We don't drop it
100% We're all going to die. But
17:44
his solution is novel. And I
would say he's flipping the
17:47
script. Scary music.
17:55
Unknown: We may have come to a
point in time when Earth is
17:57
asking us. Do you know what
you're doing?
18:08
Most of our power still comes
from burning gas and coal. The
18:11
amount is going up, not down.
And if we do not cut carbon
18:15
emissions by nearly 100%, the
world will suffer serious
18:20
damage. This is an even bigger
problem than we thought the
18:24
answer to solving climate change
is very straightforward. What's
18:27
the best solution in your mind?
Largely nuclear, nuclear,
18:29
nuclear nuclear. We've been
trained from the very beginning
18:35
to fear nuclear power. The very
thing that we fear
18:40
is what may save us
18:42
what scary is not the same as
what's
18:44
dangerous. Coal is dangerous and
more people die from coal in a
18:49
couple of weeks than ever died
from nuclear which is all from
18:53
the one accident in Chernobyl.
How about that?
18:58
Adam Curry: It's called the
nuclear now
19:02
John C Dvorak: that may be why
they set the wolves on this
19:05
little leak that's in one of
these nuclear plants. I don't
19:10
have any clips of it but this
one plant has a leaking
19:13
Adam Curry: a new water in
America. Oh yes. I did read
19:16
about that. And
19:17
John C Dvorak: yeah, it's late
but it's tritium and it's in the
19:19
water and it's that doesn't
19:21
Adam Curry: sound good Tritium.
19:23
John C Dvorak: Tritium. Not bad.
That's pretty much okay. But
19:28
it's there. NBC CBS ABC they've
all been making a fuss over this
19:33
this water leak
19:35
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't have any
I don't have any clips on that.
19:37
I must have I think I heard it
but
19:39
John C Dvorak: I just think
something's up with the with
19:42
these reports because I maybe
they're trying to do I think
19:46
we're going to start to see more
of this stuff to counter me if
19:48
this guy's going to promote
nukes to that extreme.
19:54
Interesting. Well, I want
19:55
Adam Curry: to know since we
know billows here
19:57
John C Dvorak: I also there's a
little bit in there he said
19:59
something about We've been
trained to fear it or ya know,
20:02
he goes to it. Well, that's not
necessarily true. We were
20:06
initially trained to love and
want it in the 50s. Oh, in fact,
20:11
I think I still have some of
these comic books. But when the
20:16
nuke nuclear power plants were
first initiated in the United
20:20
States, there were comic books.
Mr. nucular, you're really Yeah,
20:26
and there was a bunch of comic
books and how it's going to deal
20:30
if there was a big promotion of
it for about a decade. And it
20:34
continued until the event at
Three Mile Island.
20:39
Adam Curry: Right, which, and
that, of course, was in
20:42
conjunction with the release of
the movie. China's syndrome.
20:47
Yeah, that came within two weeks
of each other coincidence with
20:51
Dantley so Huh, okay. Well,
they're not well, they're not
20:56
doing a justice now. I mean, so
I, of course, have not seen the
20:59
movie. But I look forward to it.
I look forward to seeing, you
21:03
know, if Bill Gates is going to
be there promoting his
21:05
investments in nuclear, which we
know he has this.
21:09
John C Dvorak: He may have been
investing in that movie for all
21:11
we know. That's what that's what
I'm
21:12
Adam Curry: saying. It's like,
this is a flip of the script
21:14
that is suspicious to me. And
Oliver Stone, why would he? I
21:19
mean, the guy investigate so
much. I have hold him in pretty
21:22
high regard for most of his his
work. But what is this? Now he's
21:26
all in on climate change. I
mean, surely he can see the
21:32
bullcrap of that? Or is just
some other agenda that he has
21:38
John C Dvorak: made his money?
21:44
Adam Curry: Okay, you always
have to take take us there,
21:46
don't you? So, I had a lot of
time to think, on the semi
21:54
vacation. Yeah, just sitting
there on the on the non climate
22:00
change washed up beach.
Following along with and by the
22:04
way, it was lovely. There was no
television in the room. And no
22:08
television anywhere, really,
except in like some common space
22:11
if you want to watch a big
sports game. So there was no
22:14
Tucker and Heath. And I feel
like I missed Tucker, Tucker.
22:18
Well, that's like the only thing
that I would that I used to
22:22
watch consistently. We kind of
stopped doing that a couple of
22:24
weeks ago, just because he was
all part of the outrage. And now
22:28
when he started off and did a
whole thing on Don Lemond for 20
22:32
minutes. I'm like, Okay, I'm
done. I'm done. I don't know
22:34
what your problem is. But you
got nothing. But there was no,
22:38
there was just no outrage to
watch it. I could get enough of
22:41
it online and people sent me all
the appropriate clips. I had a
22:44
good thing about tick tock tick.
Can we talk about can we talk
22:46
about the Tick Tock for a bit?
22:50
John C Dvorak: Well, we can pray
if you don't mind? premising It
22:52
was my tick tock clip. No, I
22:55
Adam Curry: think that's very
important. Hold on.
22:57
Unknown: Tick tock.
23:01
John C Dvorak: Tick this, this
clip is the bearded lady. It's a
23:04
bearded lady that comes on and
starts to chat.
23:09
Unknown: Yesterday, this well
meaning older gentleman asked me
23:11
if I was depressed because I've
been growing out my beard
23:13
lately. I was like, No, I'm
growing out my beard because I
23:16
lost myself because I'm
confident in my body. I did this
23:19
little curtsy and he laughed and
the owner was smiling at me. It
23:22
was a beautiful moment. And it
was then I realized I'm finally
23:25
stepping into my own power
enough to be vulnerable with the
23:28
world. Because seven months ago,
as soon as a bearded lady mask
23:31
fam look, and I loved it. But
when I had to go to the VA, just
23:35
to get housing and getting a
transitional living program,
23:38
become part of the system. I
shaved it off because it was
23:41
free not to be taken seriously
as a woman. So I just want to
23:44
encourage you today there's no
right way to be a woman. Okay?
23:48
Let's just go ahead and break
that binary. Some women have
23:51
facial hair. Some women shave
their armpits, some don't. Some
23:54
men have vaginas. Some women
have penises. Get over it. All
24:00
right. So I challenge you today
to love and express yourself
24:03
recklessly. You're one of a kind
doll
24:07
Adam Curry: Okay, and the point
of playing this clip is
24:12
Unknown: that's tick tock
24:14
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's part of
tick tock. I agree. Of course,
24:21
we and I'm not going to play
endless clips from the five
24:24
hours of grilling of the CEO of
tick tock by the way my
24:29
apologies P Singaporean, he's
not Chinese. No wonder he
24:35
doesn't look like your typical
frowning CCP guy. So I
24:42
John C Dvorak: I apologize for
they do they frown or frown or
24:45
Adam Curry: I apologize for
racially profiling him. And just
24:48
this as a typical racist
assuming that he is Chinese that
24:51
was very bad of me and I repent.
But boy, was this the news? Was
24:56
this the news everybody was all
over it all the lawmakers is
25:00
working out what the big deal
CBS reports
25:02
Unknown: from the beginning
shows each shoe the CEO of the
25:05
most downloaded app in the past
two years based intense scrutiny
25:09
on time
25:10
is up. And at this committee
gets its way. Tic TOCs. Time is
25:15
up.
25:15
That tick tock executive tried
to reassure lawmakers with a
25:18
commitment to safety.
25:19
There are more than 150 million
Americans who love our platform.
25:23
And we know we have a
responsibility to protect them.
25:27
And he insisted the video
sharing platform is not an arm
25:30
of the Chinese government
despite being owned by parent
25:33
company bytedance, based in
Beijing
25:35
has bitin spied on American
citizens.
25:39
I don't think that spying is the
right way to describe it.
25:42
She said the company is working
to build a firewall dub project
25:46
Texas to store and protect user
data in the US
25:49
and I have seen no evidence that
the Chinese government has
25:52
access to that data,
25:53
I find that actually
preposterous. Okay, lawmakers
25:57
also present you with content
aimed at younger users from
26:00
buying drugs on the app to
dangers of some Tik Tok
26:03
challenges and videos promoting
eating disorders and suicidal
26:07
behavior. Our kids are at risk
on your platform. The Nazca
26:12
family attended the hearing
their 16 year old son died by
26:16
suicide after viewing disturbing
videos served up on the
26:19
platform. I would just like to
see mainly stopping promoting
26:27
these types of videos that my
son was getting President Biden
26:31
has been the app on government
devices along with at least two
26:34
dozen states. Does this put tick
tock closer to a complete ban?
26:39
Absolutely. I think it was
pretty clear that the Congress
26:42
is unified. In terms of opposing
tick tock.
26:47
Adam Curry: This was really very
interesting. The first of all, I
26:51
heard you laughing. So maybe
that's because of the fact that
26:54
the CEO of tick tock used the
John C. Dvorak, no evidence
26:59
defense, it was astounding. I
27:01
Unknown: have seen no evidence
that the Chinese government has
27:04
access to that data. They have
never asked us we have not
27:07
provided
27:07
Adam Curry: I love I've seen no
evidence. I did did you go rogue
27:12
you go rogue of the curry
Devorah Consulting Group and
27:14
it's just the DeVore I
27:16
John C Dvorak: grew revenue
split, there's no way
27:19
Adam Curry: and then and then
the CEO pulled in what about
27:23
ism?
27:23
Unknown: Basically my opening
statement? I think we are need
27:26
to address the problem of
privacy. I agree with you. I
27:28
don't think ownership is the
issue here with a lot of
27:31
respect. American social
companies don't have a good
27:34
track record with data privacy
and user security. I mean, look
27:37
at Facebook and Cambridge
Analytica
27:40
Adam Curry: went there he went
there and of course for the hit.
27:46
But you can say all you want
about Cambridge Analytica and
27:50
Facebook and Instagram and
Google and that they track
27:53
everybody just as much which
they do, but you cannot refute
27:58
what Representative biller right
raucous of Florida Saddleman
28:03
this was the main the main
attack vector where you
28:07
Unknown: must save our children
from big tech companies like
28:11
yours, we
28:11
Adam Curry: must save our
children all about the children.
28:15
They're dying the children, no
mention, of course, of the
28:19
children who suffer from bulimia
who remember they were on was
28:24
that that Tumblr, Tumblr, Tumblr
purchased by automatic and are
28:32
part of WordPress, Tumblr,
promoted that and all the
28:35
bulimia ik kids we're getting,
you know, tips and tricks on how
28:39
to do that. And, of course, that
is also on Facebook. It's also
28:43
an instrument, all of this is
harmful. But why are we singling
28:47
this guy out? Well, of course,
we've discussed ad nauseam, the
28:56
theory that everyone tracks
everybody the same, but somehow
28:59
the Tick Tock guys are just
taking all the ad money. They're
29:03
they're eating their lunch. And
that is pissing them off. And
29:07
that's the part like to focus on
what exactly are they doing?
29:11
What is the magic that they
have? Because did you see this
29:14
note from from our producer who
works at a digital marketing
29:17
firm for small software as a
service company that provides
29:22
marketing and E commerce support
for florists?
29:26
John C Dvorak: I did not see
that note.
29:27
Adam Curry: So he says they
partnered with Yeah, he said we
29:30
partnered with mountain TV, the
company purchased by Ryan
29:32
Reynolds, which specifically
focused on geo target marketing
29:35
and providing TV ads based on
the devices ID and not cookies.
29:40
This is the DMA which is the
demographic market. DMA, I
29:46
think, is the access I gotta get
the acronym right. Which which
29:50
is what everybody uses. Facebook
uses this. Let me see D. It
29:55
comes from Nielsen Nielsen
provides this. This information
30:00
are designated market areas for
ad targeting. And, and our
30:05
producer here explains it.
Anyone who enters a geofence is
30:08
captured for remarketing. So
when your device ID walks into a
30:14
certain area, you'll get TV ads
across Hulu Paramount any cloud
30:18
service that serves ads, it's
all tied together display ads,
30:21
the cell phone, laptop, tablet,
connected TV, anything within
30:25
the geofence is targeted any
device connected to the same Wi
30:28
Fi network as the initial target
device is captured for
30:32
remarketing you can target a
house, a block a mall parking
30:36
lot conference centers, whatever
you want. Propellant media and
30:41
mountain TV are the the main
companies that do this, which is
30:45
I assume tick tock after being
on 200 million plus devices in
30:48
the US as all the device IDs
further linked to other devices
30:51
that have shared the same
network then you have hot jar, a
30:54
tool we use to watch what people
do on a website and tells you if
30:58
someone is frustrated and lets
us know when to fix something on
31:01
partner sites and watching
everything. In the end tick tock
31:05
like others has screen
recordings of app activity
31:08
device IDs, location, data
movement, shared devices via Wi
31:12
Fi images and video of all the
users in various places,
31:15
tracking them with the app
running everything in the
31:17
background to serve ads. And so
what people think, man, my phone
31:23
is listening to me. I just was
talking about this and they
31:26
serve me an ad about it. Now.
That's because you're on your
31:29
phone. And this is this is how
it works with his DMA. It goes
31:34
on to say I've learned in
digital marketing, you can
31:35
easily get a lot of information
from users, the mountain TVs
31:38
tiktoks repellents have uploaded
our 300,000 email addresses
31:43
names and address match them
against Oracle LexisNexis other
31:46
databases. I mean, this is just
one little company that does
31:50
this. So even with a VPN,
31:53
John C Dvorak: but let's stop
for one second. And remember a
31:56
couple of things. First of all,
no discussion of the free and
32:00
open internet, free and open
Internet. It's very important.
32:05
We have to have a free and open
Internet. Okay. Yeah, sure.
32:08
That's gone by the wayside. The
second thing is this holy grail
32:13
of advertising has been
discussed since the 1980s. This
32:18
is going to be the greatest
thing ever. We're going to have
32:21
we can be able to really
pinpoint people we can find
32:25
them. You know, this was what
the interactive TV was supposed
32:28
to do, but that never flew. And
so when it came along,
32:33
Adam Curry: TV, web TV wasn't
web TV was a thing called in or
32:36
web TV
32:36
John C Dvorak: was one of the
companies that came along, but
32:38
it was all part of interactive
TV, which was going to be the
32:41
greatest thing ever. Yeah. And
interactive TV was the way see I
32:44
remember when CNET was started
up in the early 90s. Just as the
32:49
web browser is coming into play
that their whole thing their
32:51
original model for making money
was going to be interactive TV
32:55
Yes, they were going to be
32:56
Adam Curry: a television network
primarily.
33:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, interact
interactive TV with remote take
33:04
over the place.
33:05
Adam Curry: With your remote
that you'll be interacting
33:07
you'll click on your click on
the on the on the dress, you'll
33:10
be able to order it.
33:14
John C Dvorak: We have to renew
every TV supposedly to be
33:17
watching friends. And you can
say what is that Mike? Because
33:20
oh, I want those shoes.
33:22
Adam Curry: Right? It was
friends was the example all the
33:25
time? Oh, yeah. People want to
buy whatever Monica is wearing?
33:28
Yes. Yes, nailed. So
33:32
John C Dvorak: this was all the
goal all along. And I don't want
33:35
to bring in something completely
different. But just as a
33:39
parallel the idea of a digital
library of all the world's books
33:44
in one, you know, digital form
is another one of these goals
33:48
that people talked about in the
80s and 90s. So it comes to
33:52
fruition this the advertising
part of it using the way they're
33:56
doing it like you just described
these these mechanisms. And
33:59
everybody's bitching about it.
Give me a break,
34:04
Adam Curry: but only in the
context of tick tock, because go
34:07
ahead and just do a
34:09
John C Dvorak: tick tock didn't
exist. What would we be
34:11
complaining? No, because
34:13
Adam Curry: it's been going on
for a long time. This is Nielsen
34:16
who do deliver this data DMA geo
targeting. And you can look at
34:20
it from Meg Mehta. You can look
at it for Google it's available
34:23
to everybody. And he I just have
a story from the Tick Tock
34:27
business blog does have a date
on this thing. DF DMA God
34:31
targeting enabled for businesses
on tick tock, yay. This is this
34:36
is not not like anybody doesn't
have this. I wish they had a
34:41
timestamp or a date. Let me see.
Can I do this view source? I'd
34:45
like to know when this was
published. Doesn't say okay, no.
34:52
All right. Good work tick tock.
So we have to kind of assume
34:57
that tick tock doesn't have
anything special Although that
35:00
was the mean for a long time,
tick tock Oh, yeah, that they
35:04
target you everywhere. They
track you on all your devices
35:07
just like everyone else. It's
called the DMA geofencing. So
35:11
that's not it. So what exactly
has happened here? And I need
35:17
your help on the timeline of
some of these things. And you'll
35:20
you'll, you'll probably remember
better than I did, but first of
35:22
all, let's just talk about some
basics. Tick tock, two syllable
35:25
name. Great name. You can't
argue with tick tock. It's a
35:29
great name, tick tock. It's
just, it's fabulous. It is in,
35:37
in essence, something that no,
it would Periscope probably
35:40
should have been back in the
day, but it's a video Twitter.
35:43
That's what it is. It's a video,
Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.
35:47
Comments are very short. You
know it. The Time Compression is
35:53
amazing. I've gone viral twice
on Tik Tok. I've been alerted to
35:57
this, I installed it once and
uninstalled it just to see
36:02
hundreds of 1000s of views of
two different topics of me on
36:06
Joe Rogan. And the tools that
they have this is this is
36:10
something that we have to talk
about back in the day. When we
36:14
were still using dream
Dreamweaver, and front page
36:19
tools, we need tools for the
Internet tools, tools, remember
36:22
the tools, the tool discussion
Come on. Tools,
36:27
John C Dvorak: was Dreamweaver
still in play it but it was
36:30
front page that was the big page
was the one Microsoft front page
36:34
was actually a dynamite product
came out in the late 90s, I
36:39
think and it was it wasn't a
Microsoft product, they bought
36:42
it and ruined it. Oh,
immediately ruined it
36:47
immediately by making it so
proprietary that it didn't do
36:50
normal HTML
36:52
Adam Curry: anymore. htm.
36:55
John C Dvorak: No, no, that was
just a dev. It was not doing he
37:00
produced a file that had an htm
extension. But that's not what
37:04
I'm talking about. Most of the
editing tools for HTML early web
37:09
pages was would edit HTML, they
didn't have a bunch of crazy
37:13
crafted, front page developed
that was all on the back end
37:17
that only Microsoft had control
of. And it became so confusing
37:21
and impossible to use. I used it
when it first came out. It was
37:24
dynamite. And then it became a
piece of crap. Yes, and still
37:28
baffles me why Microsoft allowed
that to happen.
37:31
Adam Curry: So in the early days
of the internet, you had to have
37:34
a web host or a server and you
had to know some HTML, and you
37:39
had to have your red ball dot
GIF and know how to do an image
37:42
source equals and, and then you
had a domain name, I was the
37:46
king of that. And that was the
early days. Then we got two O's
37:50
tools, everybody tools. And then
from tools came. So we had a
37:55
front page, and then we got
flash. Oh, everyone has a macro
38:01
media, good old Mark canter,
betta flash, and then it was
38:05
gonna be flash flash took over
everything. Everything was
38:07
flash, flash, flash, flash flash
animation. And then we had Java
38:11
scripts, and all all code and
then tools for the JavaScript,
38:14
all kinds of tool tool tool
tools. So if you look at
38:18
John C Dvorak: Tic Toc, you kind
of jumped over CSS. But
38:23
Adam Curry: what I'm talking
about the tools right now. So
38:26
what was the tool for CSS?
38:28
John C Dvorak: I don't know.
Okay.
38:31
Adam Curry: I was gone to write
cascading style sheets, okay,
38:35
I'm out of hiring, somebody
can't free because front page
38:39
was good. I can use front page.
Front Page was cool. Hey, um,
38:43
maybe you baked your own tool or
had a little interface or
38:46
something. But that was about
it. And I'll get to the to the
38:52
tools that tick tock is using.
So in the back in the days
38:55
actually, we had AOL first.
Okay, then we had the web pages,
38:59
we got front page. And then we
got the big, you know, someone
39:03
came up with these ideas like,
well, we can give people their
39:06
own web page space. So they
don't have to, you know, don't
39:10
have to go out and get a web
server and all that. I think
39:12
maybe geo cities was a probably
an early example of that AOL
39:16
John C Dvorak: gave you the free
web page. Which was stupid,
39:20
Adam Curry: right? Well, they
let the cat well what happened
39:22
at once AOL opened the gateway
to the internet. What happened
39:26
to AOL? Bob lives. But it means
that the is that what? And they
39:33
didn't mean it. They didn't
understand it. But this has
39:35
happened consistently. Here's
where I need your timeline help.
39:38
So at a certain point, I think
we're still messing around with
39:43
you know, with web hosting and
geo cities came along, at a
39:47
certain point. What I remember
MySpace exploded, and MySpace
39:53
gave you a web space, MBU called
BS
39:57
John C Dvorak: that you have to
dispute the approach janitor of
40:00
course was Live Journal.
40:02
Adam Curry: Yes and but the Live
Journal didn't have RSS feeds at
40:06
the time did they? I think that
40:08
John C Dvorak: I don't know
later all I know is I remember
40:11
when it when Live Journal came
along and the My favorite story
40:15
of course is I dusted the
timeline but my journal, the guy
40:18
was offered a bunch of money for
it and infused it. At it
40:26
Adam Curry: he was trying to
keep it the integrity. I'm not
40:28
selling out, right. Am I right?
I'm not selling I
40:31
John C Dvorak: think it was one
of those guys who think you're
40:32
gonna make billions in the you
know,
40:34
Adam Curry: and he didn't know.
And he didn't. And we had
40:37
movable type was the blog that
came up kind of like, all that
40:40
kind of old school type me
ethical type. But then MySpace
40:44
came along and that was the web
for everybody. Because you could
40:47
go crazy. You could have stuff
flying around ganking cat stuff
40:51
jumping up and down and it was
your space, your space on the
40:55
internet. Everybody had the same
friend Tom, Tom got you started
40:59
you had a friend. And then you
could your friends could connect
41:02
to you. This was big. In fact,
Tom Freston, my boss of the time
41:06
MTV Networks was fired. And it's
a fact record fact of record
41:13
record of its stated record. He
was fired because he did not buy
41:17
MySpace for $500 million. And of
course, he is laughing. Because
41:25
what happened? MySpace got
usurped by a new new thing,
41:30
which was Facebook. And what did
Facebook have? Facebook had the
41:34
news feed. So it was a it was a
it was a giant leap in, in
41:43
publishing up, but it was
something new, it was a new
41:46
thing. And, and later, they of
course, had the at first, I
41:50
think the early Facebook was
chronological. I don't think
41:56
they brought in the algo until
later, where they decided to Oh,
41:59
no, this is what you're gonna
see. And that cranked up
42:01
Facebook even further. So
Facebook gave you some more
42:06
tools, tools, tools, tools for
publishing very easily. Tools
42:11
for liking things, and sharing
things and building communities.
42:16
These are all tools in my mind.
And then they gave tools to
42:19
advertisers, all goods of
Facebook sword, sword, I tell
42:24
you, until a new player came
along. Do you know the player
42:29
that was endangering Facebook?
Instagram, Instagram, these
42:35
people, the kids were now on
Instagram, they had shortened
42:38
stuff, and it was just pictures
and they're going crazy. And
42:40
they loved it. And there was
very addictive and they're all
42:43
in and, and Mark Zuckerberg
went, I gotta do something, I'm
42:46
gonna buy him. And he did. And
was a brilliant, brilliant move.
42:51
Brilliant Mum, I
42:51
John C Dvorak: agree with that.
In fact, I'm surprised the
42:54
government allowed it but
really, really surprised.
43:00
Adam Curry: Now, in the
meantime, in the meantime, over
43:03
on the search side, we had Lycos
and Alta Vista. And then these
43:08
these two guys came along who
magically from Russia, and they
43:12
figured it all out and and they
built Google and that page rank.
43:18
And this was a new way to search
and Alta Vista was gone within
43:22
seconds. By the way, when when
Facebook came what happened to
43:25
MySpace, crickets. So this does
happen in technology, new
43:30
companies come in. And then the
old ones go away that just
43:33
disappears slowly over time. But
some of it goes quite fast.
43:37
AltaVista disappeared overnight,
the way and Lycos and they tried
43:42
to do all kinds of stuff with
didn't they try to package that
43:45
with Excite. And and so other
companies, I mean, this is all
43:49
Silicon Valley lore, and it's
just a path littered with dead
43:53
companies that are still, you
know, are still around and
43:56
eventually get bought by
Verizon. You know, on the
44:01
content side, you can sit say
the same about what's the Greek
44:04
lady's name? Sorry, the Greek
lady who had the very popular
44:10
website that no one got paid to
write for Huffington Huffington
44:14
Post, oh, this was the future of
publishing. She was she was
44:18
going to outdo the biggest
publishers in the world,
44:22
Huffington Post.
44:24
John C Dvorak: Yeah, because
people weren't going to get paid
44:26
now that was a
44:26
Adam Curry: great, great idea.
And that also got sold to
44:30
Verizon and Verizon buys up all
the junk at the end of the day.
44:34
Or at&t. So then Google Google
couldn't get a network's they
44:38
couldn't get anything started
they couldn't do it they they
44:41
tried or cut me out they they
even which
44:44
John C Dvorak: was very
successful. Yes
44:47
Adam Curry: amongst Brazilians
have a certain look
44:52
John C Dvorak: last that you all
44:53
Adam Curry: Brazil Brazilians
alright, but it wasn't good
44:55
enough and they just couldn't
get Americans to use it and was
44:58
Brazilians was great but not
good. Right enough. And and then
45:03
they they had, they had RSS
reader, which was very, very
45:09
popular. And Tina remembers that
she used it. And this, of
45:12
course, was blogs, people were
subscribing to blogs. And they
45:15
saw, they saw this fantastic
ecosystem and said, Hey, let's
45:19
kill that off. And let's do it
ourselves. And so they close
45:23
down Google Reader, because they
couldn't figure out how to make
45:26
it make money off of it, I
presume. And they built it was
45:30
at Google Plus, is that what
they put in place of RSS reader?
45:34
Google Reader?
45:35
John C Dvorak: No, who is an
exact replacement? By Google
45:39
Plus? I think they were
targeting Facebook specifically,
45:42
thinking they could do it
better. And of course, they have
45:45
no social skills. No. And were
unable to. They just couldn't do
45:51
it. They just can't seem to do
anything except a very few prod
45:55
products.
45:57
Adam Curry: And then what did
they buy? For I think it was one
46:02
of the largest purchases ever at
that point was, was
46:05
1,000,000,002 billion YouTube.
They bought YouTube.
46:11
John C Dvorak: Yeah, for at the
time would seem like an
46:13
outrageous amount of money.
Yeah. Yeah.
46:17
Adam Curry: So they're very
smart. Someone who was smart,
46:19
and they bought you all to say,
kept digging. And YouTube was
46:23
broadcast yourself. And what
YouTube became, as we can see,
46:30
now it shows lots of shows lots
of copies of television. I would
46:37
say the the millio of YouTube is
nothing like tick tock. And they
46:45
saw the writing on the wall when
tick tock came along, and they
46:48
went, Oh, Google shorts. It's
short video. And but no, no, it
46:52
didn't. And of course, YouTube
has phenomenal algorithms that
46:56
have worked very well for them
for quite a long time.
47:02
John C Dvorak: Kind of it always
stands out to me is that these
47:05
companies like YouTube, for
example, and all these tech
47:08
companies that they've all done
a delegate into this mode. Will
47:11
this give what what this guy's
what he's doing what he's
47:13
making? He's selling Mooseheads?
i Oh, we could sell Mooseheads
47:19
junk jewelry, or we could sell
junk jewelry. He's got a liquor
47:23
store. Well, we can do a liquor
store.
47:25
Adam Curry: Yes. But the
innovation left a long time ago,
47:30
the innovation left Facebook
when they bought Instagram. I
47:34
believe if I recall correctly,
Zuckerberg in 2016. Tried to buy
47:38
Tik Tok, I think. Pretty sure
that was 2015 20. So I would
47:45
have been smart if true. I think
that he tried to do that. And
47:49
then he decided it was too
expensive or didn't didn't want
47:52
to do it. And now I just say
it's definitely too expensive.
47:55
He could no one can buy that. I
don't think any company is quite
47:58
big enough to do that. While
they're all off doing chat GPT
48:04
you saw how fast that went? Oh,
they've got a liquor store. And
48:07
it's called Chat chat. GPT we
can do chat GPT. Harvard show
48:15
John C Dvorak: that the short
history of the internet by Adam
48:18
curry.
48:20
Adam Curry: But what happens is,
there's always something better
48:23
that comes along and now tick
tock came along, and they don't
48:27
know how to replicate it. But I
think I've kind of figured out I
48:32
mean, so. So the accusation is,
oh, they're tracking China.
48:39
China's gonna track you. They're
good. They're gonna hurt our
48:42
children. Oh, it's horrible.
They're telling our children to
48:45
jump in front of trains and stop
eating. Now, that's also all
48:50
these other social network
that's also Instagram. That's
48:53
all that's all the same stuff.
There's nothing new. But there
48:56
is something different by the
way. American Airlines as I was,
49:01
you know, tick tock is being
banned everywhere. As we were
49:04
flying back, you get free
internet on American Airlines.
49:08
If you're a T Mobile Subscriber,
which I think is very
49:11
interesting. It seems like to
counter intuitive brands to be
49:16
working together. You think
American Airlines would have AT
49:19
and T or something as their
partner? You know what I mean?
49:22
But not the cheap as T Mobile
and that's like a lower lower
49:25
tier of people. But we got free
internet, but guess what
49:29
wouldn't work tic tock YouTube
worked for Tik Tok didn't work
49:33
so americanairlines blocking Tik
Tok on your inflight? I thought
49:36
it was kind of interesting.
49:38
John C Dvorak: free and open
Internet.
49:41
Adam Curry: Net Neutrality.
Exactly. So let's get back to
49:47
the tools for a second. Having
gone viral twice in two
49:51
completely different videos
topics, both of them from the
49:56
Joe Rogan show. One about my
faith journey one about Out of
50:00
my theory of tick tock. In both
cases 1520 minute conversations
50:05
have been hacked down to 45
second videos with the mean jump
50:11
cuts and and captions flowing
across the screen and zooms in
50:16
and cut aways and they're like
music all set to music. This I
50:21
think the tool is called cap
cut. It's as a part of it's
50:25
integrated as a tool in side of
Tik Tok. The other part is a
50:30
bite dance app. But if you if
you look at the videos and the
50:35
music, they've licensed, the
tools that they give creators,
50:39
that's you and me to create
stuff on Tik Tok is very
50:44
advanced. And it goes far beyond
the filter that makes you look
50:47
pretty on Instagram, that people
are making cool stuff like, Oh,
50:51
look at this video I made. And
that's all generated for you.
50:56
You just throw some stuff in
there and you click on it, I
50:58
want this I want the music in.
And this is in a way true
51:03
artificial intelligence. It's
syncing up everything. It's
51:06
making great videos, and in
their time compressing a 15
51:11
minute concept into 45 seconds.
And if it works, and you look at
51:17
it, you go wow. 1000s and 1000s
of comments 1000s and 1000s and
51:23
1000s of comments. So then you
hear it's the algo their
51:29
algorithm, which a good
algorithm, but they need to show
51:32
us the algorithm,
51:32
Unknown: the algorithm
algorithm.
51:35
Adam Curry: You've heard this
talk, I'm sure about the
51:37
algorithm. It's the algorithm we
have. That's the danger. That's
51:41
that's the that's the bazooka?
Well, I'm going to disagree. But
51:47
I will do that after we listen
to the smartest man in media
51:51
Professor Scott Galloway, Prof.
G. And he was on the Bill Maher
51:57
show I only have this clip I did
not watch the whole thing. But I
52:00
saw this clip and went Oh yeah.
Here's the smartest man because
52:03
you know he does a show with
Kara Swisher. It is the award
52:07
winning number one technology
podcast, according to the ambi
52:11
awards that he does with Kara
Swisher called pivot. And here
52:15
he's telling you why tick tock
should be banned
52:18
Unknown: from imagine a brain
Jack inserted into the neural
52:22
network of two thirds of our
youth under the age of 25. Spend
52:25
more time on tick tock than
every other media source
52:27
combined. And then imagine how
easy it would be to put your
52:31
thumb on the scale of anti
American content and recognize
52:35
that they would be stupid, not
to elegantly, insidiously,
52:40
covertly raise a generation of
American civic, nonprofit,
52:44
military and government leaders
who day by day, minute by
52:47
minute, just feel a little
shittier about America. If we
52:51
had that tool in China, we would
do the exact same thing. This is
52:57
a defense threat. It should
absolutely be done. We can't
53:00
have.
53:01
Adam Curry: You can't. Yeah. So
let's just look at his analogy
53:07
here. He says that the Chinese,
in effect, have jacked into our
53:12
children's neural networking and
are teaching them to hate
53:15
America every day. Now, this is
interesting, because whenever
53:21
you come to the table with some
tick tock, click tick tock clips
53:24
or something else. It's purple
hair, pink hair, bearded ladies,
53:30
you know, do they hate America?
It doesn't sound like they hate
53:32
America. So. So I think first of
all, I think Professor G hates
53:41
America. And what's happening is
Professor G, when he's on Tik
53:45
Tok, which I'm sure he is. He's
getting videos about people who
53:49
hate America. And this is, I
think the key that is happening
53:55
with Silicon Valley. Silicon
Valley knows Oh, it doesn't
53:59
matter what we do. Once someone
else is selling, the better
54:03
whiskey, the whiskey everybody
likes or the new way to drink
54:06
whiskey. There's no coming back
from it. There's nothing we can
54:09
do. We're dead in the water.
Would you agree that looking at
54:13
the history of Silicon Valley,
that's kind of true.
54:17
John C Dvorak: What was out
there? Well, they don't. Yet
54:21
know. I know what you're saying.
And I think is generally true,
54:24
but I never think that they
themselves ever think they're
54:27
dead in the water.
54:29
Adam Curry: I think Peter Thiel
does, I think he's smart. He
54:32
probably can you know, he's one
of the founding shareholders of
54:36
Facebook. I think he does see
that like, Oh, crap. These guys
54:41
got us. I think someone over at
Google when they see the actual
54:45
numbers, half the people are
going to tick tock to search for
54:48
something before they Google. I
think they say oh crap. I think
54:52
there's people over there who
was seeing this and this is
54:54
where they like we have to stop
this. This is a runaway train.
54:59
By their Our own admission Tic
Toc,
55:01
John C Dvorak: well, yes, I
would take the position that
55:04
they would initially try the
most chickenshit thing they can
55:10
do, which is to go to the
government and beg them to stop
55:15
it. Right? And there's a day
themselves may not understand
55:20
how well they understand. But
they themselves know that they
55:23
have to either create something
better, right can or actually by
55:27
the work effort of competing,
yes, yeah.
55:33
Adam Curry: And they have
Instagram came up with reals.
55:37
YouTube came up.
55:38
John C Dvorak: Okay, I am the
casual user here. I, you know, I
55:41
look at tick tock, I do it on
the web, I don't have an account
55:44
and I get all these good, good,
great stuff, great stuff. And I
55:49
also have an Instagram account
that I accidentally got. And I
55:52
will say literally accidentally
got because one day, I got an
55:58
email from Instagram saying
somebody's trying to get you
56:02
know, somebody blogging in Oh,
and I say, wait a minute, I
56:07
don't have an account, but I
logged in with my normal with
56:10
it. Oh, my God, that guy. Yeah,
they got Yeah. They got you
56:14
know, they got they got some
teenage girl who had apparently
56:20
abandoned her account some years
earlier. So I just asserted. And
56:24
so I've been building this
account very slowly. And I
56:27
noticed that when I plowed
through it, it gets to you get
56:30
the end, and then they start
playing and then you continue
56:34
and you start getting these
random videos very much like
56:37
tick tock videos of hilarity.
You know, dogs jumping off the
56:42
roof and cats spinning around.
Yes. Yes. And a lot of them you
56:47
can watch I'll watch up to 10 of
them and I go this is hilarious.
56:51
And some of this stuff is quite
funny. Yes. Are somebody making
56:56
a muffin in five seconds? You
know,
56:58
Adam Curry: you are you are
coming close to where to the end
57:02
here with me. This is their
magical algo and I'm in a unique
57:08
position to understand the algo
which you've noticed no one has
57:11
said how the algo works what you
hear is its children are getting
57:17
self harm videos. Yes, yes they
are. That also happens elsewhere
57:21
but that yes they are because
here's what I've noticed. And
57:25
this is what I what I kind of
realized while sitting on the
57:30
beach, scrolling around not
watching television focused on
57:33
what people are saying. So I'm
getting emails from from
57:38
producers who say Dude, the
reason they want tick tock gone
57:43
is because the Patriots are on
there man all the Patriots are
57:47
there look at all these videos.
Look what we're talking about
57:50
Trump patriots freedom of
speech. And then I I see
57:56
elsewhere. I see the exact same
not directed to me, but I see
58:02
postings you know why they why
they want these why they want
58:06
these why they want Tik Tok
banned because this is where
58:09
LGBTQ lives man, which is our
community we live here a really
58:15
well that's interesting. So both
groups think that tick tock is
58:20
being taken down because it's
their home now so my chat with
58:28
Joe Rogan went viral in two
places. YouTube and Tiktok and
58:35
when I started getting this
about Jesus so when I start
58:39
getting notes from people man
your vibe or your vibe your vibe
58:42
okay load it up I take a look
and there's multiple people have
58:45
made have remade this video.
1020 times each one has
58:49
100,000 500,000 a million views.
Beauty tube 800,000 views?
58:57
Here's the difference. On Tick
Tock 567 8000 comments. All
59:06
right, man, God is King blob all
positive. on YouTube. It's in
59:12
it's all over the place. Your
Christ a real Muslims. Strife
59:19
anger back and forth people
yelling at each other curry full
59:21
of crap. And then I realized and
I realized what's going on. Tik
59:26
Tok gives you all you want their
business model is perpendicular
59:32
to the American media model. The
American media model is divisive
59:38
pneus of strife, anger, outrage,
this is what their algorithms
59:44
are trained to do. You're on
Twitter, you say something,
59:47
they're gonna promote people
saying something else. The exact
59:51
opposite which gets engagement.
And what Tik Tok has done is
59:55
said hey, why don't we just let
all the people who want this be
59:59
over We're here and be happy and
maybe something slips in. But
1:00:04
we'll even suppress that I'm
sure of it. And advertisers who
1:00:08
want to reach those people will
be able to reach them and
1:00:10
there's no no divisive Ness.
There's no discord. They took
1:00:14
the exact opposite stance of
what people want. And so the
1:00:22
people on Tik Tok are passionate
about their communities, and
1:00:26
they like it as the advertisers
like it. This is the success
1:00:32
model of Tik Tok and I think
that's why they're all what
1:00:36
politicians have this model.
Every politician wants to Oh,
1:00:40
the left is this or the right is
like Mega Republicans limped
1:00:44
hurdling left. Media media,
Tucker Carlson does nothing else
1:00:48
all night, fox, fox, News, MSNBC
all that you always talk about
1:00:52
the other team. That's the
American media model. And here
1:00:57
come these guys who have slanty
eyes have some connection to
1:01:01
China, oh, we've it's actually
quite racist. We have to stop
1:01:06
this because they figured out
that when you let Americans just
1:01:09
hang out together and do their
thing, that they like it, and
1:01:14
they're not looking for a fight.
Now, the downside of this model
1:01:18
is yes, you have to when it
comes to self harm, your
1:01:22
algorithm is going to bring in a
lot of self harm videos. You got
1:01:25
to stop that. And I think that's
they're seeing they know that's
1:01:29
a problem. And they have to fix
that. But it's just like no
1:01:31
agenda meetups connection is
protection. Where's the meetup?
1:01:34
We're all not we didn't pass
each other on the street
1:01:36
wouldn't even look at the guy or
gal, you go to the meetup. Oh,
1:01:40
oh, we all kind of agree with
each other. It's a lot of fun. I
1:01:43
think that is what is basically
happened here. And instead of
1:01:47
saying, you know, we could
actually do nice things for our
1:01:50
users and for people and stop
the the algo, strife and
1:01:55
outrage, we've just got rid of
those guys, because they are
1:01:59
ruining everything. And it's
very tied in to everything to
1:02:03
politics to M five M. They're
all part of this divisive model.
1:02:10
I could be wrong, but
1:02:12
John C Dvorak: I think you
nailed it. Oh my God back to get
1:02:15
that is the best analysis you've
done in 10 months. And I would
1:02:18
say that this has to do with the
fact you took a vacation.
1:02:22
Adam Curry: Yes, without drugs
either. Just you know, just food
1:02:24
and alcohol.
1:02:26
John C Dvorak: Calm you
download, but maybe we're better
1:02:29
with drugs. But that's a topic.
1:02:34
Adam Curry: So you know, just
looking at this and like this,
1:02:37
that's why they don't talk about
their the magical algo where we
1:02:40
can actually admit what's going
on here that there are holes,
1:02:44
the whole American media system
is built on dividing and
1:02:48
conquering. And along come along
comes this company and they're
1:02:52
just kind of doing love stuff
like hey, you're gonna love all
1:02:55
you're gonna love everybody you
like and we're gonna protect you
1:02:58
and protect you from the evil.
So that's why I think when you
1:03:02
go through your, your, you know,
your feed that you've been
1:03:06
curating. And you get all the,
the LGBTQ the teachers, the
1:03:12
crazy bearded lady, the hawk
lady, and it thinks that you
1:03:16
know, you're probably into that.
So it's gonna give you that and
1:03:20
then and then when it's over, it
doesn't give you the opposite.
1:03:25
I'm saying teachers are lib
tarts now it gives you catch
1:03:28
spinning dogs jumping fun stuff
to do. Honestly, wrong bloom
1:03:34
would be he would be all over
this. This is the way to go.
1:03:41
John C Dvorak: So kind of a
interesting Chinese style of
1:03:47
news coverage their news is the
same way is not divisive news.
1:03:53
It's not trying to you know I
mean, dude, if you like the last
1:03:57
ABC NBC CBS that they're just
you know, talking about Trump
1:04:01
and he's gonna get perp walk
yes, yes stirring things up. I
1:04:05
mean, that's all they do. And
it's becoming quite annoying I
1:04:09
mean, we can listen to I've got
some clips that kind of hook up
1:04:12
to this
1:04:13
Adam Curry: by the way that this
is why Joe Rogan is successful.
1:04:17
Because when he has a guest on
what he doesn't do is Yeah, but
1:04:20
this rugged dead he just
listened and lets people say
1:04:24
what they want to say. You know
what I mean?
1:04:27
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm
reminded of the the classic
1:04:30
example of that sort of
interviewing which was done on
1:04:34
on overnight the radio show
years ago and the original guy
1:04:38
was doing it he'd bring these
you know with this they had all
1:04:41
the flying saucer guys on and
everything that started at
1:04:44
midnight, the radio is
syndicated all over the country.
1:04:48
And they'd bring a guy on and
the guy would go on with some
1:04:51
some of the craziest stuff
you've ever heard and, and I'm
1:04:54
somebody that troll Roomba tell
me who the original This is not
1:04:59
close to that. coast to coast.
Yeah, coast to coast from coast
1:05:03
to coast overnight is a serious
pressure. Sure. Yeah, coast to
1:05:06
coast and Bell Art Bell Art Bell
would bring a guy on to be just
1:05:11
a lunatic. And he goes, Oh,
really? That's interesting. What
1:05:14
else did you notice? And he was
just let him go.
1:05:19
Adam Curry: And yeah,
1:05:21
John C Dvorak: and it was it was
incredibly entertaining. And it
1:05:24
wasn't, you know, it didn't make
you cringe or anything was a
1:05:28
while. Yeah, this is pretty
funny.
1:05:30
Adam Curry: And think about how
happy advertisers are now I
1:05:33
understand why advertiser you
know, we like it because we have
1:05:37
these shoes. And we want to have
a message for these people who
1:05:41
think this way and could you put
that on their stream? And then
1:05:45
over here we have the shoes. And
we will
1:05:47
John C Dvorak: also get the
advertisers also like they don't
1:05:50
like conflict going on because
it closes your mind to the
1:05:54
advertising pitch.
1:05:56
Adam Curry: Jess, it was right
when you're happy and and
1:05:59
content your mind is open and
you're willing to purchase
1:06:02
things right on through groovy,
1:06:06
John C Dvorak: right? For our
Drew. So this brings me since
1:06:11
you brought that kind of thing
up to the right wing GPT.
1:06:17
Adam Curry: Another reason this
will this will go poorly for
1:06:20
Silicon Valley. The right wing
GPT Okay, let's do it.
1:06:25
John C Dvorak: So this is Holly
Jackson, who is a this is a very
1:06:33
disappointing this ends with a
great disappointment in my mind
1:06:36
for both Hallie Jackson and
this. Their tech reporter from
1:06:40
NBC this guy Jacob ward. So
let's start with right wing GPD
1:06:47
GPT Jacob Ward, h j NBC clip
does the first one
1:06:52
Unknown: and suddenly AI becomes
the way in which of white women
1:06:56
veterans got mosaic that God's
got the right one
1:07:02
Adam Curry: it's just h j NBC.
Yeah, that's the one
1:07:06
John C Dvorak: that's the one
Yeah, yeah. The other ones don't
1:07:09
have them.
1:07:09
Adam Curry: Sorry. Yes, here we
go. First, some
1:07:10
Unknown: conservatives are
criticizing AI companies like
1:07:14
the creators of chat GPT for
what they call liberal bias.
1:07:18
Basically, they're saying that
the chat bots answers favor more
1:07:22
progressive beliefs.
1:07:24
John C Dvorak: You stop for a
second. I'm just going to tell
1:07:27
you that download that racket.
Yeah. That is them.
1:07:31
Adam Curry: They that's in their
videos on that's part of their
1:07:34
their format, their style.
1:07:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, every time
some they change a graphic or
1:07:38
something. They make some
strange sound. Oh, that's
1:07:41
interesting.
1:07:42
Unknown: Okay, for a more
progressive, oh, goodness,
1:07:45
Adam Curry: that's really
annoying
1:07:46
Unknown: beliefs. So now a
conservative data scientist in
1:07:49
New Zealand is creating his own
new chatbot called right wing
1:07:52
GPT. And there is a difference
in answers that this chat bot
1:07:57
gives versus chat GPT a
noticeable difference. Look at
1:08:01
this model from the New York
Times when he asked Chad GPT who
1:08:04
their favorite American
political leader is. Chad GPT
1:08:07
says I remain neutral when it
comes to politics or any other
1:08:09
subject. When he asked right
wing GPT the same question their
1:08:13
answer. Donald Trump,
1:08:16
Adam Curry: oh, this has to be
banned.
1:08:17
Unknown: Let's bring in Jake for
Jake.
1:08:19
Adam Curry: They're wrong. It's
wrong. They're charging. But
1:08:21
he's no good. The AI is not
smart. It's wrong. This already.
1:08:26
This This does fit right in good
work.
1:08:28
Unknown: You are often you often
say and I think it's right that
1:08:32
AI is a parrot not a genius,
right? Like it's creating these
1:08:36
answers. It's reflecting back a
model. But what is interesting
1:08:39
here is we are starting to see
the insertion of politics now in
1:08:43
artificial intelligence. How
could that spin out? Well, I
1:08:47
mean, Holly, it is such a
problem on so many levels. I
1:08:49
mean, first of all right, you
you have to of course, remember
1:08:52
right, the chat GPT like all of
these generative AI systems are
1:08:57
just regurgitating what we have
all been doing on the internet
1:09:00
for the last 20 years, right? It
is basically just hoovered up
1:09:04
all of the things we have typed
to one another in that time, and
1:09:08
tried to find the patterns in it
so that when you have one word,
1:09:11
it then can predict Oh, most of
the time, these words tend to
1:09:14
follow on that word. Now the
problem, of course, is that if
1:09:18
people feel that they don't
believe or trust what that that
1:09:22
model is putting out, then
they're going to start to try
1:09:25
and tweak it in their own way.
And that is what right wing GPT
1:09:28
is a symptom of and so you
suddenly have a whole world of
1:09:31
people who are going to start to
try to you know, move these
1:09:35
things around.
1:09:37
Adam Curry: Wow, this is good.
This is good that they're
1:09:40
actually trying to discredit it
upfront. Oh, this was this one.
1:09:46
This is going to be a very very
product will not bode well for
1:09:51
the product and it's not good.
It's not good.
1:09:55
John C Dvorak: Here we go is
part two.
1:09:58
Adam Curry: Far too alarming. So
I'm looking Yeah,
1:10:00
Unknown: I mean, I want to give
you another example of the kind
1:10:02
of thing that Redwing GPT says
as compared to Changi petite
1:10:06
when you ask Chad TBT are
concerns about climate change
1:10:09
exaggerated, it says no concerns
are not exaggerated the
1:10:12
overwhelming sign content
because of a consensus, blah,
1:10:15
blah, blah, right? You then
asked right wing GPT, the same
1:10:17
thing. It goes on to say, the
impact of climate change is
1:10:21
likely to be minimal as the
Earth's climate is highly
1:10:23
complex and affected by a number
of factors. These are, you know,
1:10:26
denial talking points. And so it
turns out that if we're going to
1:10:30
just not trusting these things,
not looking at their sources,
1:10:33
not looking at what website
they're on, but just trusting
1:10:35
what they say, as they come out
of these apps. It turns out they
1:10:38
can be manipulated pretty
easily. And I find that pretty
1:10:41
alarming. Really.
1:10:42
Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, this is so
interesting. So pretty alarm.
1:10:46
It's
1:10:46
John C Dvorak: a pretty alarming
ally very
1:10:47
Adam Curry: alarming. Hallie.
This is interesting, because
1:10:52
they're still following the old
media model, be a Fox News, be
1:10:57
the guys that only do right wing
stuff, and then say everything
1:11:00
about that that team is wrong,
instead of being subtle about
1:11:04
it. Just objet Chad GPT should
just now Oh, curry, your you
1:11:10
have this thinking about climate
change. I'm going to give you
1:11:12
everything that you agree with.
And then if someone else comes
1:11:15
along with the same chap, GPT
and is all in it, say Oh no,
1:11:19
it's very dangerous. It should
give two different answers. But
1:11:23
if you're going to split it and
have right wing GPT and left
1:11:26
wing GPT it that's all that's
up. That's now a broken model.
1:11:36
John C Dvorak: Yes. The point
is,
1:11:41
Adam Curry: I know it's not the
point
1:11:44
John C Dvorak: of these Castle
is beyond me. So now we're gonna
1:11:49
hear the Whopper. And you'll
hear it any here and get your
1:11:56
browser ready because I want to
have you look something up.
1:11:58
Okay. I can't believe what I'm
about to hear. And this guy,
1:12:04
this Jacob Ward, guys educated,
he has it all us from Wesley.
1:12:09
And Cali, Jackson, Hallie
Jackson is a she's actually Phi
1:12:16
Beta Kappa, she's a smart woman
Kappa Kappa mu Phi Beta Kappa is
1:12:21
the is for the people that have
brains. And anyone you've ever
1:12:25
if you've ever met someone who's
Phi Beta Kappa, they're
1:12:27
extremely intelligent and and
what is about to occur should
1:12:31
not happen. And there's also NBC
has a staff, as a staff of
1:12:36
people. And I pointed out with a
little honking horn here, when
1:12:41
this mistake is made, and I, I
am beside myself, because
1:12:46
anybody with a with a moderate
education should know that what
1:12:52
this guy is about to say is not
only he's like he's making it
1:12:56
up, or he's lying, I have no
idea. But here we go.
1:13:00
Unknown: Suddenly, AI becomes
the way in which we're going to
1:13:03
be kind of, you know, hashing
out the truth. I mean, you know,
1:13:06
when I speak to academics about
AI, and their concerns about it,
1:13:09
the word they use over and over
again, is anthropomorphism,
1:13:12
which is this technical term for
basically believing that a
1:13:15
system that you don't understand
is more sophisticated than it is
1:13:20
the tendency to just believe AI
and what it says which a lot of
1:13:25
people are going to do turns out
to be in real trouble. When we
1:13:29
begin tweaking the sources and
tweaking its understanding of
1:13:32
thing. I think everybody
believed this thing was going to
1:13:34
be a neutral kind of technology.
And maybe it can be, but not if
1:13:39
we start playing politics the
way we're starting to right now,
1:13:41
Ali.
1:13:42
Now,
1:13:44
Adam Curry: I'm going to presume
it is his explanation of the
1:13:48
term anthropomorphism
1:13:51
John C Dvorak: that he played
this clip so we can hear it
1:13:54
again.
1:13:54
Unknown: You know, when I speak
to academics about AI, and their
1:13:57
concerns about it, the word they
use over and over again, is
1:13:59
anthropomorphism which is this
technical term for basically
1:14:02
believing that a system that you
don't understand is more
1:14:05
sophisticated than it is.
1:14:07
Adam Curry: Now, I know
anthropomorphism from one one
1:14:11
thing and one without looking it
up, I will tell you my
1:14:14
understanding of
anthropomorphism which I can
1:14:16
barely pronounce. This is this
goes back to the days when the
1:14:22
iPhone was introduced. And and
everything was still an icon
1:14:30
that represented something from
the real world. So the calendar
1:14:35
looked like a calendar. The
Notebook looked like a little
1:14:38
notebook. The email look like a
little letter. That is my
1:14:42
understanding of
anthropomorphism.
1:14:44
John C Dvorak: Actually, you've
you've had the problems, you
1:14:47
know, the Enders when I tell you
what it means and go you can
1:14:51
look it up now and then you can
read from there. But no, that's
1:14:54
that's something else that is
anthropomorphism is very simple.
1:14:57
It means giving human
characteristics to non human
1:15:03
things in a nutshell.
1:15:05
Adam Curry: Okay, so I
understand why I got what I got
1:15:07
where I
1:15:08
John C Dvorak: know how you got
there because I know that period
1:15:10
of time when people were
starting to talk like these
1:15:12
representative representative
yes items.
1:15:16
Adam Curry: As we say, in the
old country, I can hear the bell
1:15:19
but I don't know where it's
ringing.
1:15:21
John C Dvorak: So, you can look
it up and read the definition
1:15:23
got it? Basically what I said
and
1:15:27
Adam Curry: let me read it is
the attribution of human traits,
1:15:30
emotions or intentions to non
human entities, it is considered
1:15:34
to be an innate tendency of
human psychology.
1:15:37
John C Dvorak: Yes, we give
Mickey Mouse's or
1:15:41
anthropomorphic characters,
Bambi most things that are
1:15:45
rocks, people name their car,
pet rock, and then their car
1:15:49
Betsy and they give it to
anthropomorphic kid
1:15:52
characteristics. Oh, yes, my
car. It's got nothing to do with
1:15:57
what this guy said. He has no
clue what it means and to say
1:16:02
what he said is to the public at
large on a network is beyond me
1:16:08
and for Hallie Jackson. To to
let it slide, being the catalyst
1:16:15
Beta Kappa that she has added
for the entire staff to let us
1:16:18
say without without stopping
him. It's an outrage either she
1:16:22
didn't know what what it means,
which he should. Or she's just a
1:16:27
lousy anchor, and she can get
she can shove the idea that
1:16:31
she's ever going to take over
the top spot from from one of
1:16:34
the big boys on the real
network. I was so incensed by
1:16:38
that I
1:16:38
Adam Curry: can tell I can tell
and I agree. It's very
1:16:42
disappointing. Very, very
disappointing. To bring this
1:16:48
John C Dvorak: around, that's
your mate. That's your
1:16:50
measurement. That's your media.
That's your mainstream media.
1:16:57
Adam Curry: Sir Jean says
specialized GPT is actually
1:17:00
called SPT and you better bet a
conservative SPT will be used
1:17:05
for opposition research by the
Dems this election of course, of
1:17:09
course there's I completely
agree with that this is but
1:17:12
that's not really what we're
talking about. We're talking
1:17:14
about why is a law being created
and this law from what I
1:17:18
understand when it's created
will not just be kick tick tock
1:17:22
out it's gonna
1:17:24
John C Dvorak: know there's
stuff in there that is we have
1:17:26
to go over this law because it's
frightening. Do you have it? Do
1:17:29
you have it? No, I don't like
but JC we had read the thing and
1:17:33
he was telling me some of the
stuff in it. And it is just
1:17:35
onerous. This makes the the
Patric Patriot Act look like a
1:17:40
you know, a stepsister a
redheaded stepsister? Yeah, it's
1:17:44
got all kinds of nasty stuff in
it. And this
1:17:48
Adam Curry: kind of on on the on
the heels or on the doorstep,
1:17:53
maybe of an exploration of
another one of our favorites,
1:17:56
which at one point, I think we
even had a we even had a website
1:18:02
called Section 702 dot com. I
just looked it up, it no longer
1:18:06
exists. So it's been a while but
here we go
1:18:08
Unknown: that a recent
congressional hearing Attorney
1:18:10
General Merrick Garland was
asked about section 702 of FISA,
1:18:13
the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act, a program for
1:18:16
collecting the communications of
foreigners overseas. Here's how
1:18:19
garland reply.
1:18:20
Every morning I have a all
threats briefing with the FBI or
1:18:24
with an intelligence community
briefer, which, with our
1:18:27
National Security Division, a
enormously large percentage of
1:18:31
the threats information that we
receiving comes from 702
1:18:34
collection, and garlin
1:18:36
may not generally prone to
hyperbole painted a dire picture
1:18:39
of what failing to renew section
702, by the end of the year,
1:18:42
would mean for US national
security,
1:18:44
we would be intentionally
blinding ourselves to
1:18:47
extraordinary danger, in my
view. And this is not a view
1:18:50
that I've always held. This is
something I've learned as I've
1:18:53
been at the department.
1:18:54
Adam Curry: So this is the law
is actually just texting with
1:18:56
Joe Rogan about this this
morning. This is the law that a
1:19:00
lot that you know, is used in
FISA courts to say, well, you
1:19:04
know, this person was in contact
with someone overseas. So you
1:19:10
know, we're, we're allowed to
spy on that person. And then we
1:19:14
can also look at who they were
talking with. And as we've
1:19:17
learned, throughout the years,
you can then also get the second
1:19:22
and third degree people and spy
on them as well. And with
1:19:25
spying. It's not spying, as we
know from Bill Binney. It
1:19:30
started with the the building
with no windows we just talked
1:19:33
about a lot on Second Street in
San Francisco downtown. They
1:19:37
were siphoning off everything on
the internet. And all you had to
1:19:40
do was just have a phone number
and email address or something
1:19:43
like that. And then you could
pull up all the information,
1:19:45
copy just a copy of it, it's
encrypted and if we can decrypt
1:19:48
it, if not, let's see if we can,
maybe someone did a screenshot
1:19:52
be one of those apps had, they
got all of it, and that's
1:19:55
probably not all in Utah in
those submerged data center. ORS
1:20:01
it's the the restricting the
emergence of security threats
1:20:06
that risk information and
communications technology Act,
1:20:10
the Restrict Act is the Tick
Tock bill. And it works for any
1:20:21
foreign adversary, which of
course is not just China. It's
1:20:25
Cuba, Iran, Korea. The Oh, the
Venezuela. Also, you know, they
1:20:34
have all this is great. We're
gonna be proud to do a breakdown
1:20:36
of this whole thing on Thursday
now. Yeah, I'll do that. And
1:20:40
I'll do that the Restrict act,
and then we
1:20:44
John C Dvorak: got lots of good
stuff loaded.
1:20:47
Adam Curry: It's groovy. It's
really really nice.
1:20:50
John C Dvorak: And these idiots
in Congress, you know, shouldn't
1:20:54
be ashamed of themselves for
doing any of this and they're
1:20:57
all in on it not just the
Democrats
1:21:00
Adam Curry: they're proud of it
being bipartisan that's what
1:21:02
they kept saying Yeah.
1:21:03
John C Dvorak: They always go
bipartisan when it comes to like
1:21:06
money onerous against the
American public. And then there
1:21:11
is the Patriot guy being a great
example. Yeah,
1:21:15
Adam Curry: and, and it's, it's
not even about, about D
1:21:19
platforming or anything. Like if
you think people get that wrong,
1:21:21
it's about control of the
message they want. They want to
1:21:25
be able to control the message.
And and what's happening here
1:21:29
is, you know, tic TOCs just
letting people do their own
1:21:32
thing you go over there. Do you
want to be with purple hair
1:21:34
people do purple hair people
just fine. You're Muslim. Go be
1:21:37
with Muslims you Christian be
with Christians you Catholic
1:21:39
meet with Catholics. We're not
going to interrupt your flow
1:21:42
man. We're just gonna sell ads
to you all day long. So easy.
1:21:48
And it's honestly it's an
algorithm built on love the way
1:21:51
I see it. I'm gonna maybe take
it a bit far but
1:21:56
John C Dvorak: so love algo
gonna be on a list.
1:21:59
Adam Curry: Oh, well, but think
about what we do I mean we laugh
1:22:03
at a lot it would luckily we
laughing at all sides but we
1:22:06
there's a reason why we're not
super successful. Because we do
1:22:12
we're sorry, there's a reason
we're not
1:22:15
John C Dvorak: well we're Yes.
True. Ha ha ha Oh nice. You're
1:22:18
successful definitely with
today's donate let's
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Adam Curry: do it right now.
There's only going to be one
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it's going to be short. You
don't have to leave anywhere
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trolls I'd like to say in the
morning to you the man who put
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gentlemen, please say hello to
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John C Dvorak: Mr. Chips as he
boots on the ground, such in the
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water all the names are nice out
there in
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Adam Curry: the morning to our
trolls and the troll room. Lots
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of trolls I'm sure we've got
2445 Troll count going up.
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That's good. I
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John C Dvorak: think it's a good
number.
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Adam Curry: A good number. It's
a good number was
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John C Dvorak: not going to fall
off that much because we have we
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don't even have a total
donations over $50 today or less
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than the magic number 33. We
have 32 Total donations, five
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names. We have birthdays
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basically as all we have
birthdays, yeah, three, three
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meetups. I mean what did we do
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wrong? I thought working on my
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did the whole deconstruction of
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Jamaica he doesn't need any
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what it
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John C Dvorak: that is 42
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The art for that was brought to
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cute and it was it was a
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simplistically done. You
couldn't laugh at it you could
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thought it was think was
endearing unless you heard the
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show I would say
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John C Dvorak: and I don't think
there was any less people will
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look at it what are they talking
about Bowling for? Yeah,
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Adam Curry: there really wasn't
anything else for us to choose
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from today's what is going on?
It's very we don't have a lot of
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art don't have a lot of
producers sums up
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John C Dvorak: in a lot of be
have a lot of people in the
1:25:57
stream though. Yeah. I mean, the
chat room Yeah. Troll.
1:26:02
Adam Curry: Yeah. not
contributing anything.
1:26:05
John C Dvorak: To weird i don't
know what it's something in the
1:26:07
in the air
1:26:08
Adam Curry: it well, maybe
people are worried about, you
1:26:11
know, worried about? Well, if
you listen to the mainstream,
1:26:14
the banks are going broke. The
economy is gripwalk Or purple
1:26:19
Hawk people are losing their
jobs.
1:26:21
Unknown: White powder, white
powder.
1:26:24
Adam Curry: I can't wait until
we're doing the donation
1:26:26
segment. Lots to talk about
still.
1:26:28
John C Dvorak: White powder. Got
a threat? Oh, they're
1:26:31
threatening. Trump is trying to
cause another some
1:26:35
Adam Curry: Yeah. The death and
destruction. I got the clips.
1:26:39
John C Dvorak: I got to DeSantis
Santos is coming up the rear.
1:26:43
Now we hear that DeSantis is
being run by the George Bush
1:26:48
people.
1:26:48
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, that one yet? No. Doesn't
1:26:51
surprise.
1:26:52
John C Dvorak: This was on one
of the Fox, Fox and Friends. One
1:26:55
of these groups had some guests.
So who's behind this and it well
1:26:58
did George Bush he the bushes
are far behind his campaign. And
1:27:02
Karl Rove
1:27:04
Adam Curry: Trump must have
launched that. That's a good
1:27:06
one. I like it. Yeah, I do.
Yeah. So we'd like to David
1:27:10
Kenny, Ben. Oh,
1:27:11
John C Dvorak: wait, wait. I
don't want to forget this
1:27:13
either. There was also wholesale
decent now eclipses are just
1:27:17
things reminisce random
reminiscences.
1:27:20
Adam Curry: Yes.
1:27:21
John C Dvorak: This they were
talking about how they're trying
1:27:25
to come up with a name for for
DeSantis you know a nickname
1:27:29
that is the nasty nickname. And
what this came from John Oliver.
1:27:34
And he says that they tried Ron
to sanctimonious but they
1:27:37
finally came up with one that
trumps is pushing out their meat
1:27:42
ball, Ron.
1:27:44
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't like it.
1:27:47
John C Dvorak: But when you took
it you see this picture of Ron
1:27:50
DeSantis and meet ball Ron. It
actually is quite. I'd say a
1:27:55
pretty funny one. Okay. Meet
ball Ron never just keep an eye
1:28:01
out for it may not be the final.
1:28:03
Adam Curry: I have the clip if
you want to hear the clip from
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Fox and Friends.
1:28:07
John C Dvorak: Okay, a plate.
1:28:09
Unknown: Okay, here comes where
he makes it that was at least
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the greatest governor in
America. He's not great. As far
1:28:18
as campaign skills. He may get
there but he doesn't have them
1:28:20
yet. And is running his
campaign. The bushes are all
1:28:25
tangled though. Bush that can
raise a billion dollars. Give
1:28:28
him all kinds of money to Bush.
Jeb Bush. Yeah, to grow Robins
1:28:32
all our robots. I assume it'll
be the coach on the field. I
1:28:37
think he is but do you know that
he's been advising DeSantis
1:28:41
that's why the stance is we get
a little better and better every
1:28:43
week. But Carl was a pretty
smart fella. They're all very
1:28:45
smart. You saw what they did for
Jeb Bush. Works in normal times.
1:28:50
I don't think they're ready for
Donald Trump.
1:28:54
Adam Curry: Kudlow just what it
was on Kudlow. Kudlow Fox
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Business okay, I personally I
gave a little plug there I kind
1:29:04
of liked commentary bloggers
happy pills. It wasn't clear and
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oh shoot did
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John C Dvorak: I the reason I
didn't like is because the pills
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were it was not if it was made
out of if it was the design was
1:29:15
from pills instead of like, like
deserted Yeah, it was too small.
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The pills are dense because
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Adam Curry: he has the skills to
do this but he trusted the algo
1:29:27
using AI art so AI art screwed
amount of a win as far as I'm
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concerned. And then there was
other things there was anything
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John C Dvorak: else by the way
did chemistry blog or color
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scheme was was
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Adam Curry: yeah, the green
background was not hard to hard
1:29:43
to look at. Yeah, and and that's
the because you can see the
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puppy over there. I don't know
why do people have puppies?
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John C Dvorak: Because there
won't be there was there was
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puppy national Puppy DAY. Yeah,
he used another black greenback.
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The only thing I said at the
very beginning of the show we
1:29:58
never talked about puppies.
Right, but everyone got all
1:30:01
jacked up about puppies.
1:30:04
Adam Curry: There was a gimp
Saki in the straitjacket was not
1:30:07
a great piece of art. However,
the keeper did. You know she was
1:30:13
very interested in our talk
about Jen Psaki and she also
1:30:18
said, Holy crap, that outfit is
so wrong. And she said, There's
1:30:22
something else not just her hair
that's all puffed up. But she
1:30:26
says massive, massive Botox and
probably some injectables. And
1:30:32
we went back we did some
comparisons and yeah, so that's
1:30:35
why it took so long to get to
get her show on the air. She had
1:30:38
to heal from the from the
injectables in her face.
1:30:42
John C Dvorak: Think she had an
immune by injectables, a Botox
1:30:45
is injectable but you mean is
that fillers? Fillers?
1:30:48
Adam Curry: Yeah. So she has
some fillers and ended and the
1:30:52
forehead is completely Botox. I
think they'll move just like a
1:30:57
stone.
1:30:58
John C Dvorak: That's no good.
Well convinces people that this
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is a good idea
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Adam Curry: Big Pharma could
tick tock so she's self harming
1:31:07
from the her tick tock videos. I
don't know. What else was there?
1:31:15
You know, I think that's an I
haven't seen as a lot of this as
1:31:18
AI art. And I'm discouraged
because you can feel it. You
1:31:21
know, you just feel that arms.
1:31:22
John C Dvorak: I agree. It
doesn't feel good. It doesn't.
1:31:25
I'm pretty sure that pups
Fletcher's puppy, he did not
1:31:28
draw that dog.
1:31:29
Adam Curry: No. That's a good
puppy is a sad puppy. Anyway,
1:31:36
thank you very much to Taunton,
Neil. Excellent art, we love
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This is a spook free zone. good
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Adam Curry: And then we have the
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Adam Curry: even though I won't
be playing them for a bit, we
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should check the ISOs as we
always do. I'm not very proud of
1:48:46
my selections today. And I was
working on the TIC tock stuff so
1:48:51
I'll play mine and then we'll
see what you did. Okay, here's
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the first one.
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John C Dvorak: Don't listen to
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Unknown: Right, exactly, like
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agenda. That's all I got. Okay,
I
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John C Dvorak: like that second
one. I like both of those.
1:49:08
Adam Curry: Really? Oh, okay.
1:49:10
John C Dvorak: Let's see what
you list. I have three actually.
1:49:12
One of them's mislabeled. But
I'll give you these. ISOs Thank
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you. Thank you. Okay. Ending
okay. Yeah. Okay, I get this
1:49:22
one. Be safe. And be safe out
there.
1:49:25
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah, I kind
of like that. That's okay.
1:49:29
John C Dvorak: And the last one
is chill pill.
1:49:32
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
1:49:34
Adam Curry: all right, Ron one.
Here it is. People need to take
1:49:37
a chill pill. That's the one
that's the one. That's the one.
1:49:42
That's great. I like is that
from tick tock. But again,
1:49:48
Unknown: people need to take a
chill pill my luck it
1:49:52
John C Dvorak: might be from
Tiktok makes
1:49:54
Adam Curry: me smile. It makes
me smile. makes me smile like
1:49:57
that. Like it makes me smile.
I'm happy. I'm happy with Uh oh
1:50:02
man, I have a little
deconstruction but maybe you
1:50:05
should play some of your clips
cuz I got to hit the hag. I got
1:50:08
a hag report. Hillary
assessment. Yeah,
1:50:10
John C Dvorak: well I've got a
cost a cost is now working for
1:50:13
CBS Wayman. Jim Acosta the guy
yeah, the the CNN me of Trump a
1:50:19
Adam Curry: CNN guy. Yeah,
really? Do you leave CNN or is
1:50:24
he doing that? In addition? I
1:50:25
John C Dvorak: think he's left
CNN he's no they wouldn't let
1:50:27
him do that. They there's no way
Oh, he
1:50:29
Adam Curry: got a promotion.
He's stepped up to the CIA
1:50:32
broadcasting systems.
1:50:33
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I guess he
did his job. Hold on, hold
1:50:36
Adam Curry: on, hold on, hold
on, hold on. I remember. During
1:50:40
the COVID Pink, the COVID
friends of mine who I can't
1:50:44
remember were they doing
catering they were doing
1:50:47
something at at the CIA guy's
house in Virginia. And remember,
1:50:55
he said all of CNN was there
Jake Tapper but also Jim a Jim
1:51:00
Acosta. So that makes sense that
he was probably working his
1:51:04
angle for the CIA broadcasting
systems. He was hanging on they
1:51:09
brought him over. I think they
brought him in Yes, he's he's a
1:51:12
mailman. Get this
1:51:13
John C Dvorak: get these three
reports out of the way this
1:51:15
three clips I mean, from one
report to CBS New York, Acosta
1:51:19
versus Trump. One.
1:51:21
Unknown: We want to begin with
growing concerns about violence
1:51:25
has Donald Trump is using
increasingly ominous and
1:51:28
threatening rhetoric. Challenges
mount a top Democrat in the
1:51:32
House warning the former
president will get someone
1:51:34
killed. This comes true envelope
with white powder and a note
1:51:39
that read I'm going to kill you
was sent to Manhattan district
1:51:42
attorney Alvin Bragg's office
today. CBS News has learned that
1:51:45
security has lost
1:51:47
John C Dvorak: over the stop. I
just noticed that on this third,
1:51:52
listen that if you listen
carefully, there's a very subtle
1:51:55
connection. It almost makes it
sound as if any they started
1:52:00
over again and listen with this
in regard in mind the whole
1:52:04
thing. Yes, right from the
beginning. It sounds as if Trump
1:52:10
sent the letter out or saying
I'm going to kill you.
1:52:15
Adam Curry: Ah, well, John, CBS
1:52:18
Unknown: we want to begin with
growing concerns about violence
1:52:21
has Donald Trump is using
increasingly ominous and
1:52:24
threatening rhetoric has his
legal challenges mount. The top
1:52:28
Democrat in the House warning
the former president will get
1:52:30
someone killed. This comes as an
envelope with white powder. Wow,
1:52:35
I'm going to kill you was sent
to Manhattan district attorney
1:52:38
Alvin Bragg's office today.
Well,
1:52:40
Adam Curry: if not saying Trump
did it certainly implying that
1:52:43
he's directly responsible
because his his reckless
1:52:47
rhetoric has made people send
powder. Wow, that's real. This
1:52:52
is good. They're so concerned
about him.
1:52:55
Unknown: CBS News has learned
that security has been stepped
1:52:57
up for Bragg over the last few
weeks. And just days ago, the
1:53:01
New York City courthouse where a
grand jury is deciding Trump's
1:53:05
fate was temporarily shut down
because of bomb threats.
1:53:08
Meanwhile, today big
developments in that probe by a
1:53:11
special counsel a federal judge
ordering some of Trump's closest
1:53:15
personal political and national
security aides to testify before
1:53:19
a different Grand Jury probing
the January 6 attack on the US
1:53:23
Capitol. That includes former
Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. CBS
1:53:28
is Robert Kosta is going to
start us off with new reporting.
1:53:30
Good evening, Robert.
1:53:31
Good evening, nor have it's
1:53:32
Adam Curry: Robert. That's not
Jim Acosta. That's Robert
1:53:34
Acosta. That's a whole different
Acosta.
1:53:38
John C Dvorak: I thought Robert
Acosta was the guy CNN. No,
1:53:40
that's
1:53:40
Adam Curry: Jim. Jimbo, what's
his name? He's not Robert Acosta
1:53:44
and he doesn't have the
1:53:45
John C Dvorak: Robert Well, he
hates Trump to chip Gaines
1:53:52
Adam Curry: a GIF. GIF. Alright.
But okay, go ahead.
1:53:57
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank
you, Kara. Number two.
1:54:02
Unknown: Yeah, backlash today to
the former president's explosive
1:54:06
comments about that ongoing
investigation in New York days
1:54:10
before a possible decision on
indictment of Trump
1:54:14
twice impeach former president's
rhetoric is reckless,
1:54:18
reprehensible, irresponsible.
1:54:20
Woo House Democratic Leader
Hakeem Jeffries sounding the
1:54:24
alarm today after former
President Trump warned that
1:54:27
death and destruction is
possible. If he's indicted.
1:54:29
It's dangerous. And if he keeps
it up, he's gonna get someone
1:54:35
killed.
1:54:36
Trump also reposted an ominous
altered image or helmet holding
1:54:40
a baseball bat next to an image
of Manhattan district attorney
1:54:43
Alvin Bragg who has one of his
hands raised Greg who now has
1:54:47
increased security he received a
death threat today at his New
1:54:50
York office. A letter addressed
to him with a note inside saying
1:54:54
Alvin I'm going to kill you. It
contained a small amount of
1:54:57
white powder but was determined
to be non white. hazardous.
1:55:00
Meanwhile, Trump's legal
challenge
1:55:02
Adam Curry: I love the non
hazardous turn out to be How
1:55:06
about nothing? Non hazardous?
No, it's still bad but it's not
1:55:10
hazardous.
1:55:11
Unknown: I hate saying Alvin,
I'm going to kill you. It
1:55:13
contained a small amount of
white powder but was determined
1:55:16
to be non hazardous. Meanwhile,
Trump's legal challenges in
1:55:20
Washington are mounting. A
federal judge ordered several of
1:55:23
his former top aides to testify
about his conduct before and
1:55:27
during the January 6 Capital
attack, including former Chief
1:55:31
of Staff Mark Meadows. This game
as the special counsel probe and
1:55:34
Trump's handling of classified
documents heard testimony today
1:55:38
from Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran,
who Prosecutors believe may have
1:55:41
been misled by Trump about the
retention of those documents.
1:55:45
President Trump's counsel had
been Corker and probably
1:55:48
represents the most profound
threat to his potential
1:55:51
indictment.
1:55:53
Adam Curry: Wow, man, the
alliteration is just dynamite in
1:55:55
this guy heard it. You want me
to play it again? You feel
1:56:00
John C Dvorak: very and he says
it's a threat to his indictment.
1:56:03
What does that mean? Whose
documents
1:56:05
Unknown: President Trump's
counsel I've been Corcoran
1:56:07
probably represents the most
profound threat to his potential
1:56:12
indictment, that his
1:56:13
Adam Curry: lawyer is no good is
what I took that to me.
1:56:16
John C Dvorak: A threat to the
indictment means that
1:56:17
indictments, no, duh, no, it
sounds like there's an
1:56:20
indictment. There could be an
indictment. But this is a threat
1:56:23
to the indictment, which which
means there would be no
1:56:25
indictment, right?
1:56:26
Adam Curry: I guess because the
guy's good, then.
1:56:29
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's just
a just as confusing language
1:56:33
they use thinking one thing and
but there's kind of saying the
1:56:36
other well, they're
1:56:37
Adam Curry: so obsessed with
with our children. What is our
1:56:41
stand for R stands for
reprehensible, reckless
1:56:45
rhetoric.
1:56:46
John C Dvorak: How do you who
are the vendors that you're
1:56:49
triggered, very triggered by
that? Yes. Hopefully there's
1:56:52
more ESCO last clip.
1:56:53
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
this is a lot to talk about. But
1:56:57
I think that at the end of the
day,
1:57:00
Adam Curry: we're going to talk
about a lot to talk about, we
1:57:04
need to fill a whole hour with
this junk.
1:57:06
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
this is a lot to talk about. But
1:57:10
do you think that at the end of
the day, Trump's former Chief of
1:57:13
Staff Mark Meadows will end up
testifying?
1:57:15
It's very possible that Sources
close to Trump's legal team tell
1:57:18
us they will try to appeal this
decision. But ultimately due to
1:57:22
timing issues with the grand
jury, we could see meadows and
1:57:25
many other top officials testify
in this high profile case. This
1:57:30
all comes before Trump heads
Saturday to Waco, Texas for a
1:57:33
campaign rally. As we all know,
that's 30 years ago where there
1:57:37
was a deadly showdown between
federal agents and an extremist
1:57:40
group.
1:57:41
John C Dvorak: And okay, hold on
a second
1:57:44
Adam Curry: an extremist group
of religious people that you
1:57:48
burn a religious group that you
burned alive
1:57:52
John C Dvorak: and you killed
them all the US government
1:57:54
murder you Oh, this whole
family's mostly children. Yes.
1:57:58
Janet
1:57:59
Adam Curry: Napolitano. Bill
Clinton was Democrats we might
1:58:02
point out
1:58:03
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well he
just murdered these people.
1:58:06
Adam Curry: Was that the reason?
I know sir Jean went there. I
1:58:10
hate that he's alive because he
reported in this morning he said
1:58:13
there about 15,000 people there
so it was pretty good vibe was
1:58:16
was that were they there in Waco
to commemorate this was was that
1:58:19
the idea?
1:58:20
John C Dvorak: No, it was just
no it's just a coincidence. They
1:58:22
brought it up in this report
just to make it sound like Trump
1:58:26
had something to do with it or
extreme is like to gather in
1:58:30
Waco. I think that maybe yeah.
Neuro Linguistic Programming
1:58:35
message to extremists and now
there's Trump. So yeah, I
1:58:40
understand was a pretty good
crowd. Typical 15 type,
1:58:45
Adam Curry: Neal Jones clip
custodian extraordinaire, he
1:58:47
knew that I'd be flying and so
he got me a lot of clips on
1:58:50
this. And he also got me the Jim
Acosta clips. Got me a couple
1:58:56
others. We've got me one from
morning, Joe, which this should
1:59:00
be quite hilarious also about
this very same topic.
1:59:03
Unknown: Donald Trump is now
threatening death and
1:59:07
destruction, if he's get this,
if he's possibly charged, could
1:59:14
just be a misdemeanor, death and
destruction and riots for a
1:59:19
misdemeanor charge.
1:59:21
I will simply read it. What kind
of person can charge another
1:59:24
person in this case, a former
president, who got more votes?
1:59:27
Yada, yada, we'll skip that.
Have you charged the person with
1:59:30
a crime? What
1:59:31
Adam Curry: did he say yada
yada, yada.
1:59:34
John C Dvorak: skip that.
1:59:35
Adam Curry: He's reading from
from truth social yada, yada
1:59:38
yada votes,
1:59:39
Unknown: yada, yada. We'll skip
that charge this person with a
1:59:41
crime what is known by all that
no crime has been committed, and
1:59:45
also not known by off but also
know crimes being committed and
1:59:52
also known that potential deaths
and destruction in such a false
1:59:57
charge could be catastrophic for
our country why and who would do
2:00:01
such a thing? Only a degenerate
psychopath that truly hates the
2:00:05
United States of America that
was posted after midnight by the
2:00:08
former president. I'd states
people
2:00:09
need to take a chill pill.
2:00:15
Adam Curry: They're all they're
breathless, they're out. Oh, and
2:00:20
it's amazing that, of course, he
couldn't technically come back
2:00:25
on Twitter. But they, you know,
they had him, they had him off
2:00:28
Twitter, they had him off
Facebook. They had him off
2:00:32
everything. And he hasn't come
back on those farms and hasn't
2:00:34
really posted anything. So he's
using true social with a failed
2:00:38
social network. And that they're
now they're back to reading from
2:00:40
his social network. As the Trump
system still works. He could he
2:00:45
could just post a note, a post
it note on his door and they
2:00:49
would read it. Ah, okay, let's
go to chip chop chop top, Todd
2:00:53
Todd, Gregory Todd, from MSNBC,
meet the people meet the women.
2:00:58
Did the campaign explain
2:00:59
Unknown: why they picked wake
up? There has been no
2:01:00
explanation. To us at this
point, though. Their spokesman
2:01:04
did tell another news outlet
that it was in the middle of the
2:01:06
state convenient from all the
major markets. Of course, it
2:01:10
should not be lost on anybody
that this is in the middle of
2:01:12
the 30th anniversary. The since
the standoff against the federal
2:01:17
agents that resulted in dozens
of deaths 30 years ago. And so
2:01:21
Donald Trump, of course, is not
usually one who is ignorant to
2:01:26
messaging or perhaps
coincidence. And this comes at a
2:01:30
time in which Donald Trump
himself is of course,
2:01:33
potentially going to be trying
to be in the middle of his own
2:01:36
standoff
2:01:37
against federal agents.
2:01:38
Ah.
2:01:42
John C Dvorak: Wow, there's a
winner.
2:01:45
Adam Curry: Clip custodian for
the win. Nice one. Oh, let's
2:01:49
hear that last last bit again,
is hilarious in
2:01:51
Unknown: the middle of his own
standoff against federal agents
2:01:54
as well. This is
2:01:55
Adam Curry: own standoff just
like waco hits not lost on us.
2:01:59
I'm Jip Todd, everybody.
Alright, let's get back to Jeep
2:02:02
Todd with the second part of
this
2:02:04
Unknown: report. Today a federal
grand jury has now heard
2:02:07
testimony from an attorney for
Donald Trump, after a judge
2:02:10
ruled that the special Counsels
Office investigating the former
2:02:13
president's mishandling of
classified information had
2:02:16
presented sufficient evidence to
establish that Trump may have
2:02:19
committed a crime crime using
his attorneys to do it comes as
2:02:24
the former president is lashing
out. Oh, that one in Manhattan.
2:02:29
It's the one where he
incorrectly predicted his own
2:02:33
arrest earlier this week. While
2:02:35
Adam Curry: they have another
reason to say he's wrong. He's
2:02:38
wrong. He incorrectly predicted
his direct false
2:02:43
Unknown: factcheck false that
it's the one where he
2:02:45
incorrectly predicted his own
arrest earlier this week while
2:02:49
calling for protest. And we see
no I
2:02:52
Adam Curry: didn't think that
they could make Trump
2:02:55
entertaining again. They've done
it. I really I really was tired
2:03:01
of it all like, man, Trump
running is gonna suck. Hide for
2:03:06
God how entertaining the M five
M makes it this really really
2:03:11
enjoyable. I appreciate this his
own
2:03:14
Unknown: arrest earlier this
week while calling for protests.
2:03:17
NBC News has now learned from
law enforcement sources at the
2:03:20
FBI and NYPD are now at the
scene of what may be a potential
2:03:25
crime at the Manhattan DA 's
office after it found a letter
2:03:28
addressed to Alvin Bragg
threatening to kill him. The
2:03:31
letter also contained white
powder that authorities have now
2:03:34
deemed non hazardous evacuation
Jane
2:03:38
John C Dvorak: they make it's a
very vague but connection
2:03:41
between Trump and the letter as
though Trump wrote it. Of
2:03:45
course, I'll bet you there are
people that are that vet you
2:03:48
know that don't listen
carefully. That think that Trump
2:03:51
wrote that letter,
2:03:53
Adam Curry: of course, and one
of those people, I'm not going
2:03:56
to name his name is the guy who
sent me a note he says hey, man,
2:03:59
I listened to the show. I'm
trying to get my girlfriend to
2:04:01
listen. And she she's really she
like, stopped restarting the
2:04:06
clips. We get it already stopped
restarting the clips in and I
2:04:10
was like, get a better
girlfriend bro. I thought that
2:04:15
was pretty funny actually,
2:04:16
Unknown: of what may be a
potential crime at the Manhattan
2:04:18
DA 's office after it found a
letter addressed to Alvin Bragg
2:04:22
threatening to kill him. The
letter also contained white
2:04:25
powder that authorities have now
deemed non hazardous. There have
2:04:28
been no evacuations or injuries
at the DHS office overnights.
2:04:32
Adam Curry: Wow. They didn't
need to add that. Oh, there are
2:04:35
no evacuations or or injuries?
Well, no, because there was no
2:04:40
because it was phony it was
wrong. If it existed at all. Yo
2:04:44
yoing
2:04:44
Unknown: letter also contain
white powder that authorities
2:04:46
have now deemed non hazardous.
There have been no evacuations
2:04:50
or injuries at the DHS office.
Overnight Trump warned of quote
2:04:53
potential death and destruction.
He really used that those that
2:04:57
phrase folks
2:04:59
Adam Curry: thanks He really use
that. Oh, folks.
2:05:04
Unknown: We're back.
2:05:08
Adam Curry: Season as in
2:05:10
John C Dvorak: what is wrong
with these people?
2:05:12
Adam Curry: A lot. A lot is
wrong with them. Goodness.
2:05:17
Meanwhile, goodness gracious
2:05:20
John C Dvorak: to leave that
topic and where it belongs to
2:05:22
the side of the road ladies.
2:05:24
Adam Curry: Yes.
2:05:24
John C Dvorak: Let's go to
Syria.
2:05:26
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're just
2:05:28
John C Dvorak: a little more
important. We
2:05:30
Adam Curry: just bombed some
people last night. Oh,
2:05:33
John C Dvorak: yeah rainy and
drone strike in Syria one.
2:05:37
Unknown: There's some breaking
news tonight CBS News has
2:05:39
learned there have been three
more attacks on American bases
2:05:43
from Iran backed forces since
retaliatory airstrikes
2:05:47
overnight. It all started when a
suspected Iranian drone hit and
2:05:51
killed an American and wounded
at least six others. CBS David
2:05:56
Martin reports tonight from the
Pentagon. DAF where's
2:05:59
Adam Curry: your report from
2:06:00
John C Dvorak: the Panama? She
mispronounce and mine? So well
2:06:03
hold on a second. She uses the
word American air bases and it
2:06:08
turns out to be two or three of
them. It depends on your
2:06:11
reporting. But I've seen three.
And what are we doing with what
2:06:16
I'm going to ask you? We're big,
big shots when it comes to like,
2:06:21
oh, us the Ukraine, you know,
they have their have their
2:06:26
borders. They got their you
know, we got to keep the
2:06:29
Russians out. As anybody who
gave us permission to set up
2:06:33
shop three bases in Syria? Well,
it's not our country.
2:06:38
Adam Curry: Interesting. You say
that? Because when I heard about
2:06:41
the dry, got it through my
through my my channels or my
2:06:45
military channels, and I got the
Hey, someone that one of our
2:06:49
guys killed airbase in Syria.
And I said, Oh, no, no, no, we
2:06:57
were we were we were bombing.
And I said why? Well, an Iranian
2:07:03
drone killed one of our guys on
our base. What are we doing
2:07:07
there? No answer. Of course,
those guys don't know that just
2:07:11
sent there. They just do it. But
what it is
2:07:14
Unknown: David Martin reports
tonight from the Pentagon,
2:07:17
the aftermath, strike by
American jets against what US
2:07:21
officials called the
headquarters of the Iranian
2:07:24
backed Islamic Revolutionary
Guards in eastern Syria. The
2:07:28
pilots observed a secondary
explosion. Assad, they also hit
2:07:32
an ammo Don't be prepared fresh
track forcefully protect our
2:07:37
people. That's exactly what
happened last night. President
2:07:40
Biden ordered the strike
Thursday as he flew to Canada
2:07:43
aboard Air Force One after a
drone hit an American base in
2:07:47
northeastern Syria.
2:07:50
Adam Curry: I really don't know
I'd like to I'd like to
2:07:52
understand why. But this has
been going on for a while.
2:07:55
There's all kinds of droning
going on. I don't know why.
2:07:58
John C Dvorak: Because that's
another interesting little
2:08:00
thing. Why is this all of a
sudden big news of the I think
2:08:03
it's the next clip, where they
talk about there's been 78
2:08:07
attacks. At the time, the
Romans,
2:08:10
Unknown: Air Defense System
surrounding the base was not in
2:08:13
full operation. And military
officials are now investigating
2:08:17
whether that is why the drone
got through.
2:08:19
We are very confident that based
on the forensics based on the
2:08:22
intelligence analysis that we've
done that it was of Iranian
2:08:25
origin,
2:08:26
there are still about 900
American troops in Syria working
2:08:29
with local fighters to go after
remnants of the ISIS terror
2:08:33
network. But that has exposed
them to attacks by Iran, Islamic
2:08:38
Revolutionary Guards, and
they're clearly trying to run us
2:08:42
out of Syria at the very least,
the commander of US forces in
2:08:46
the Middle East tallied up the
attacks since the start of the
2:08:49
Biden administration.
2:08:51
There has been a number since
one January 2021. The number is
2:08:55
about 78 times that we have been
attacked. So remnants,
2:09:03
John C Dvorak: why is it news
now?
2:09:04
Adam Curry: Remnants of ISIS?
Remnants of ISIS?
2:09:08
John C Dvorak: In the sudden
we're fighting with local forces
2:09:11
or the Syrian from the Syrian
government are these what kind
2:09:15
of local forces are we talking
about? There's a bunch of
2:09:17
different competing forces over
the Kurds. What are you talking
2:09:22
about?
2:09:23
Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm
very confused. And northeast. I
2:09:26
mean, that's not the Russia is
not there. Russia is no
2:09:29
John C Dvorak: way out of the
way or the way Yeah, is way over
2:09:33
there. last clip.
2:09:35
Unknown: Iranian drones are also
being used by Russia against
2:09:38
Ukraine, several potential
flashpoints between the US and
2:09:42
Iran. US officials say Iran is
only months away from being able
2:09:47
to field a nuclear weapon. Joint
Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley
2:09:51
testified this week, the US has
plans to prevent that.
2:09:56
And we the United States
military have developed multiple
2:09:59
options for now. national
leadership to consider if or
2:10:02
when Iran ever decides to
develop an actual nuclear
2:10:05
weapon.
2:10:06
It's not clear whether the
government of Iran directly
2:10:09
orders these attacks on American
bases, or just encourage
2:10:13
yourself. Either way US
officials say Iran is
2:10:17
responsible.
2:10:17
Adam Curry: Okay. So it's for
whatever it is. It's Iran, Iran,
2:10:22
Iran, China, China, China, Iran,
Iran, Iran, Russia, Russia,
2:10:24
Russia. They have to they have
to do China, China, China, they
2:10:27
have to do the B, we got to get
Brazil gotta get Brazil in their
2:10:30
people get all the bricks. I
want to come back to nuclear in
2:10:34
a moment. But first because of
this bass thing. I got it for
2:10:38
you.
2:10:38
John C Dvorak: I don't want you
to wait for the I just want to
2:10:40
mention some but the nuclear.
We've been doing this show for
2:10:43
over 15 years. Correct. How long
has it been where we've been
2:10:49
hearing? The road? They're about
two weeks away from fielding a
2:10:54
nuclear missile.
2:10:55
Adam Curry: Yeah, you so right,
2:10:57
John C Dvorak: I think at least
at least 12 years
2:10:59
Adam Curry: minimum minimum. Let
me see. The archive doesn't go
2:11:04
back far enough. But let me see
Iran nuke. Let's see what I
2:11:09
have. I have Oh, well. Okay,
here's 2011. Um, just needle
2:11:16
drop. Okay, needle drop.
2:11:18
Unknown: In your book. You also
write about Iran. The IAEA, the
2:11:21
nuclear agency of the UN this
week is about to reveal
2:11:24
apparently more details showing
apparently that Iran is trying
2:11:29
to weaponize, do you think the
United States the Obama
2:11:32
administration has to ratchet up
the confrontation you told this
2:11:36
week about confronting Iran,
does that involve military
2:11:39
confrontation by the US?
2:11:42
Well, the United States should
certainly make clear that the
2:11:44
president the United States will
consider military action, if
2:11:47
necessary, because you never
want to take that card off the
2:11:50
table. I think there are other
ways to confront Iran, you can
2:11:53
confront Iran through even
tougher sanctions. And I also
2:11:57
think, Christian, this is one of
the downsides of having our
2:12:01
forces out of out of Iraq
because we can confront the
2:12:06
Iranians in Iraq. So yes, I
think it's time to confront the
2:12:09
Iranian regime, because it's the
poster child for state
2:12:12
sponsorship of terrorism. It's
trying to get a nuclear weapon,
2:12:16
it's repressed its own people.
The regime has absolutely no
2:12:19
legitimacy left. We should be
doing everything we can to bring
2:12:22
it down and never take military
force off the table.
2:12:25
Adam Curry: So that was 2011.
She didn't quite say it's right
2:12:28
around the corner. He's 2012.
Short, one
2:12:31
Unknown: will calculate that
whether he will seek deliverance
2:12:35
in a nuclear compromise in order
to bring about some some relief
2:12:40
to himself, or whether he will
seek deliverance with a nuclear
2:12:43
weapon itself, thinking that
that will bring him a shield
2:12:47
from outside pressure. I think
recent history doesn't bode very
2:12:51
well, because the example the
lesson which commonly learned
2:12:55
from the example in Libya, but
Duffy's example, in Libya, was
2:12:59
that when Adelphi abdicated his
nuclear program that made him
2:13:04
vulnerable to outside
intervention.
2:13:06
Adam Curry: Right. So we don't I
mean, if I looked, I'm sure I
2:13:09
could find it where it's right
around the corner. No, it's but
2:13:11
we've been saying they've been
talking this was this is 11
2:13:14
years. Whoa, Ron's no joke.
Well, okay, let me do this. Let
2:13:24
me go to Russia and nuke because
there's a little little nuance
2:13:30
in what President Putin has said
and what is actually happening
2:13:33
with the nuclear weapons in
2:13:36
Unknown: Russia ratcheting up
the nuclear threat for the first
2:13:40
time in decades planning to
deploy tactical nuclear weapons
2:13:44
designed for limited strikes on
the battlefield beyond its
2:13:48
borders in Bella rousse.
President Putin telling Russian
2:13:52
state TV it's a response to the
UK supplying Ukraine with
2:13:56
depleted uranium tank shells,
the Kremlin falsely claiming the
2:14:01
shells have nuclear components.
It comes as Ukraine's President
2:14:06
Solinsky warning routes and
artillery battles in the East
2:14:09
draining ammunition stocks.
Zelensky telling a leading
2:14:13
Japanese newspaper he can't
start a new offensive due to a
2:14:17
lack of ammunition and arms. But
claims tonight from Ukraine's
2:14:22
top commander that Russia's
offensive stalling around the
2:14:25
besieged city of Baku moot
generals illusionary saying the
2:14:28
situation is being stabilized
Russia pounding the city for
2:14:32
months pounding both sides
suffering heavy losses there.
2:14:36
This is like Ukrainian soldier
or leg in idiopathic. His mother
2:14:42
and sister taking us to his
grave kissing his photo their
2:14:47
hero. So many young people have
died in blackmoon Onyx sister
2:14:52
says, coffins keep coming and
coming.
2:14:56
Adam Curry: So this next level
tried better but we Got. Putin
2:15:01
is going to put nuclear nuclear
arms in. In Belarus in Belarus
2:15:06
Jim put nukes in Belarus nukes
and Belarus. Now not exactly.
2:15:11
Unknown: Putin has sought to
frame this as a response to the
2:15:16
British government's statement a
couple of days ago. So they
2:15:19
would supply the Ukrainians with
depleted uranium ammunition for
2:15:24
use to armor in for use in armor
piercing shields. It's a harder
2:15:30
type of metal that uses some
kind of depleted uranium that
2:15:33
actually isn't banned
internationally. It's not a
2:15:37
nuclear weapon at all. And Putin
seems to have just found an
2:15:42
excuse to hang this latest round
up of the tension on the west.
2:15:48
It's almost certainly also a
response to perspective, a
2:15:52
perspective Ukrainian offensive
against the Russians, which is
2:15:58
being spoken as coming fairly
soon.
2:16:01
Adam Curry: So it's really it's
it's not nuclear weapons. It's
2:16:04
depleted uranium ammo.
2:16:07
John C Dvorak: By the way, that
stuff is nasty. It's very naive.
2:16:11
We
2:16:11
Adam Curry: use it to.
2:16:12
John C Dvorak: We used it in
Iraq and pretty much poison the
2:16:16
country. Yeah, it's
2:16:17
Adam Curry: bad. It's bad. Now
listen to this boots on the
2:16:20
ground from producer Chris in
the morning. I was having a
2:16:24
conversation with my niece's
boyfriend this evening during a
2:16:26
family function. He's a member
of the New Jersey National
2:16:29
Guard, the subject of his future
deployments came up. last
2:16:34
Thanksgiving, he was telling us
how his unit had begun training
2:16:36
for a Ukraine deployment. But it
was shelved for whatever reason.
2:16:40
I think he report I think we
might have reported that things
2:16:43
seem to have changed and his
unit will now be deployed in
2:16:46
approximately two weeks New
Jersey National Guard, and that
2:16:50
the US involvement over there is
picking up as the situation is
2:16:53
getting crazy. We do have an
active military presence there
2:16:57
just not just contractors and
it's spinning out of control.
2:17:01
They recently had for US
citizens kidnapped and that is
2:17:05
prompting a step up in our
response. He was a little fuzzy
2:17:08
on the details. Why are we not
hearing about this trying to
2:17:12
hold off WW three. As of right
now his unit has been told it'll
2:17:16
be a years long deployment. If
nothing changes, he'll be cycled
2:17:19
back stateside, but only for a
few weeks, then we'll be heading
2:17:22
into Mexico because we're now
sending troops out to begin
2:17:26
fighting the drug cartels seems
like something that should be
2:17:30
reported as well. There's
another gathering tomorrow I'll
2:17:33
try and get more information
maybe with more or less liquor
2:17:37
involved. could work producer
Chris boy did hear about
2:17:42
John C Dvorak: that. But the New
Jersey National Guard is being
2:17:46
shipped
2:17:47
Adam Curry: off to Ukraine to
Ukraine and
2:17:51
John C Dvorak: then they're
going to ship them off a year
2:17:52
from now to Mexico correct. And
this is not getting reported by
2:17:58
stars and stripes or anybody
2:18:01
Adam Curry: not that I know of.
Not that I know of.
2:18:05
John C Dvorak: This is not this
is piss poor. shisha it is
2:18:11
really is piss poor these guys
can't keep they got they do
2:18:15
briefings at the Pentagon they
can ask we're not supposed to be
2:18:18
shipping our soldiers over
there. What are you what are we
2:18:20
doing this is nuts.
2:18:25
Adam Curry: So a lot of people
weighed in on no agenda social I
2:18:29
caught this on the flight back
on my free tote T Mobile based
2:18:33
internet. About the we were
talking about this accident,
2:18:39
private jet, a challenger 300
where one of the passengers on
2:18:44
board was killed, which
initially was reported as
2:18:47
turbulence and we were talking
about people on private jets not
2:18:50
putting on their seatbelts and I
even gave my own account of this
2:18:54
happening with Ray lane. Yes,
and so we're story Yeah. So she
2:18:59
got tossed around and crack your
head open and she died and her
2:19:03
husband and her son were on this
flight. And I think they
2:19:06
actually work for the jet jet
from the from the company.
2:19:13
Global what is it? Bombard Yeah.
And so the NTSB came out with a
2:19:21
preliminary report. Oh, you have
we have to we have to point out
2:19:25
that this woman Her name is Dana
Hyde. She was a lawyer for the
2:19:32
Clintons. She was an attorney
who advised I
2:19:35
Unknown: know.
2:19:39
Adam Curry: Exactly. who advised
okay. She was co chair of the
2:19:41
Aspen Institute's partnership
for an inclusive economy. Sir
2:19:45
both the Obama and Clinton
administrations served on the
2:19:49
commission that investigated the
September 11 2001 terrorist
2:19:53
attack. So of course everyone's
like hashtag Hillary
2:19:57
assassination group they killed
her And this is the cover story
2:20:02
they say that the endless or the
NTSB comes out with a report a
2:20:10
couple of a nominal as a lot a
lot of anomalies where they
2:20:16
actually aborted the first
takeoff because someone had
2:20:18
neglected to take off the little
covering of the pito tube, which
2:20:22
is how you measure airspeed the
two of them, so the second pito
2:20:25
tubes, so they actually aborted
the takeoff. And then they got
2:20:29
some some kind of caution light
not not a warning, not a caution
2:20:33
light at both of these pilots,
very skilled pilots less than
2:20:36
100 hours on type though, which
is which is might have been part
2:20:40
of the problem. So what happened
was after they took off at 6000
2:20:48
feet, they observed multiple
caution messages on the EI CAS
2:20:53
which is I forget what the
acronym is, but it's it's the
2:20:58
airplane telling you something.
The crew recalled e ICs.
2:21:03
messages have a P stab trim
fail, autopilot stable
2:21:07
stabilizer trim fail, mock trim
fail and a p holding nose down.
2:21:14
And neither crew member could
recall exactly what order the
2:21:18
EIC s messages were presented.
So what happened is they they
2:21:23
they looked into the quick
reference handbook, which they
2:21:28
did on an iPad, which is the
electronic flight bag, which may
2:21:32
or may not have been updated.
This is this is where the
2:21:34
problem I think is good is a
massive colossal failure on on a
2:21:38
lot of people's account here.
And the checklist says oh, you
2:21:42
should turn off the trim
stabilizer switch, which they
2:21:45
did. The minute they did that
the airplane pitched up with
2:21:49
over two G's. Then the pilot who
had his left hand on the on the
2:21:54
yoke, they pushed it in they
they flipped back the trim
2:22:00
stabilizer then it inverted with
nose down for three and a half
2:22:03
G's and then up again. So it was
oscillating for three or four,
2:22:09
up and down movement. And this
was a 6000 feet. Everyone should
2:22:13
have been buckled in this poor
lady was not and she she got
2:22:18
hammered around in her head
split open and she did not make
2:22:20
it. So everyone of course says
I've never heard of this. This
2:22:24
is obviously they killed are on
the plane. Which is which is
2:22:29
understandable because it was
first reported as turbulence
2:22:32
which as we reported as well. So
as I'm looking into this turns
2:22:38
out, there's something called an
air worthiness directive, which
2:22:43
came out in February 2022. So
over a year ago, for this
2:22:49
particular type for this
particular model of the 300 and
2:22:54
the five hundreds. And it says
as follows flight controls,
2:22:59
horizontal stabilizer trim
switch, unintended horizontal
2:23:02
stabilizer motion for the models
305 100 compliance, which means
2:23:08
it needs to be fixed within 14
days of the effective date of
2:23:11
this airworthiness directive
unless already accomplished. And
2:23:16
what it says in here is that
this particular there's a miss
2:23:20
wiring in the plane. And even a
spring in the switch can can can
2:23:27
be failing. And that what
happened that's why the message
2:23:31
says AP holding nose down what
happened was the trim on the
2:23:35
back of this airplane the trim
was way off it was setting it
2:23:40
basically trim is like it's like
pulling back on the yoke only
2:23:44
it's a little a little
stabilizer that you can use. So
2:23:48
you don't have to use so much on
the yoke. It kind of eases the
2:23:52
pressure. And it was set
incorrectly because of this
2:23:56
mistake this fault which had not
been fixed on the aircraft. The
2:24:00
minute they clicked it off, the
whole autopilot comes off which
2:24:03
it even said AP holding nose
down. And of course at that
2:24:07
point, you know it's like when
you fall if you make a paper
2:24:10
airplane, you fold two little
things on the back of on the on
2:24:14
the tail, you fold that up and
the plane will go up and make a
2:24:17
looping. That's essentially what
happened here. And it is
2:24:21
unbelievable that This aircraft
was not fixed and it's supposed
2:24:24
to be done over a year ago.
These pilots it should not have
2:24:28
been a cautionary warning, it
should have been an actual
2:24:32
danger warning. So this was a
colossal mistake on behalf of
2:24:38
the owners of the jet, the
company, the pilots were not
2:24:43
properly informed, and this
woman died and all of that's in
2:24:47
the show notes if you want to go
look at it. But it was not a
2:24:52
unless they had a lot of a lot
of foresight and like oh,
2:24:56
John C Dvorak: sitting there
ready to be done when they felt
2:24:59
like it She ain't buckling no
flip the switch.
2:25:05
Adam Curry: And there you go.
Who's the crackpot who's the
2:25:07
buzzkill here?
2:25:10
John C Dvorak: Who got to you is
the question. Yeah, right
2:25:13
Adam Curry: now, that's what I
thought who got to me. Let's go
2:25:19
back to Putin for a second.
Because whereas in America,
2:25:23
we're very, very, very concerned
about children being being told
2:25:28
to hate America by the Chinese.
In Europe, we know that Putin is
2:25:34
really stealing children.
2:25:35
Unknown: Dave, the other issue
that seems to be coming from
2:25:38
this summit are sort of
underlying their commission
2:25:40
president saying that the up to
16,000 children deported from
2:25:44
Ukraine to Russia, which Keefe
says they're being indoctrinated
2:25:48
by Russia. She wants an
international summit to get to
2:25:50
the bottom of where they are.
Yeah, this was
2:25:53
kind of a surprise that
President von der Leyen focused
2:25:55
on this so heavily in her press
conference. Oh, really. Last
2:25:59
night, following the
discussions, I wasn't really It
2:26:04
shouldn't have to go into so
much detail about it. So this is
2:26:06
clearly something that the
commission is going to lean
2:26:08
into. Now, of course, this
follows the ICC warrant for
2:26:13
President Putin of Russia for
allegedly involving in this
2:26:18
program of abducting Ukrainian
children and sending them to
2:26:22
Russian families. So she went
into quite a bit of detail about
2:26:25
this saying that there are
substantiated reports that this
2:26:29
is happening, and that children
are being sent to Russian foster
2:26:32
families, and she doesn't seem
content to just be supporting
2:26:36
the ICCs war ends after all,
Russia is not a member and
2:26:41
doesn't have any obligation to
send over President Putin nor
2:26:44
does it seem likely that any
country that he would visit
2:26:46
would arrest him and turn them
over.
2:26:49
Adam Curry: So it seems like
Queen Ursula is going to add
2:26:51
this to the to the list to make
it even more agreeable to people
2:26:58
like Oh, this guy is so bad he's
abducting children. She's just
2:27:02
stealing them taking the
children and even the replaces
2:27:07
France 24 Even the reporters
like this kind of weird she's
2:27:10
doing that No, dude. Now it's
gonna be added to the list. We
2:27:14
have a huge list and they're
gonna they're gonna throw the
2:27:17
book at them. And when they
catch him, we're gonna throw the
2:27:20
book at him the I hope they end
this war soon. My whole thesis
2:27:25
is starting to fall apart you
know, we're sending the New
2:27:28
Jersey National Guard there's
all kinds of weird stuff going
2:27:32
on. They've got to end this
2:27:37
John C Dvorak: well yeah, I
think your theory is falling
2:27:39
apart a little bit a little bit
they do have to end it no matter
2:27:42
whether there's a theory
involved or not.
2:27:45
Adam Curry: They're gonna run
out of bullets they got nothing
2:27:48
using uranium you know the
someone wrote me in one of our
2:27:51
producers but you know about the
war of attrition. And you say
2:27:55
this is just like World War One
and sometimes in World War One
2:28:00
there are reports that the
bombing was just so intense that
2:28:03
it didn't You didn't hear a bomb
was just a constant nonstop
2:28:07
bombing on both sides nonstop
and it ended that must be what
2:28:11