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March 26th, 2023 • 3h 2m

1541: Mega Strike!

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John C Dvorak: free and open Internet.
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Adam Curry: Adam curry, John C. Dvorak, Sunday, March 26 2023.
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Industry Award winning one nation media assassination
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episode 1541.
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Unknown: This is no agenda with blossoming
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Adam Curry: blue bonnets and broadcasting live from the heart
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of the Texas hill country here in FEMA Region number six in the
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morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry,
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John C Dvorak: and I'm from Northern Silicon Valley, where
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we're awaiting the results of the mega strike I'm Jesse
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Devorah. Kill
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Adam Curry: Whoa, mega strike mega strike we striking but mega
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strike.
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John C Dvorak: Wow, I don't have been in the air.
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Adam Curry: I was I was in Yes, I was in the air. I heard I
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don't I know about the the tornado in Mississippi. God
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bless those people. But I don't know about the mega strike.
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Yeah, what happened
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John C Dvorak: to make a strike all of Germany's transportation
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is shutting down completely. night tonight.
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Adam Curry: Germany no less.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, the whole country.
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Adam Curry: Holy crap.
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John C Dvorak: Every flight is canceled.
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Adam Curry: Oh, I didn't know. I knew that. I knew France was you
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know, we had a problem there. But I didn't know. It's now and
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what is the what is the issue with Deutschland?
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John C Dvorak: How much the money now that's it. So 12 and
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15%. Raises? I think Deutsche Bahn wants or,
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Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. DE DE barra de Botton
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John C Dvorak: on the trains one 15% In the airlines want 12
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Adam Curry: Wow, I'd say actually we're pretty lucky to
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get out when we did then. All things consider not going to
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bond No, but you know when you when you get Yeah, screws up
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everything It sure does. I thought it was just France.
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France is Francis no better by the way, turning
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Unknown: overseas violent clashes. Today, as an estimated
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1 million people took to the streets protesting the
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government's move to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64. In
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Paris, a few dozen people were arrested after attacking police
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and businesses. City Hall and Bordeaux was set on fire labor
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strikes are impacting schools, transportation, garbage removal,
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gasoline supplies and shutting down tourist sites, including
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the Eiffel Tower. Libyans are calling for more protests next
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week when Britain's King Charles visits France
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Adam Curry: at least the French and the German agree on
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something for once. Whether it's it's not the same thing but
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they're doing the same. That's all striking.
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John C Dvorak: The German was seems a little more organized by
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the we know that and it has a name it what is the name? Mega
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strike.
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Adam Curry: That's that's the American name. No, that's
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John C Dvorak: their name. They
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Adam Curry: the Germans are calling it mega strike. Yeah,
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really?
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. We get nothing to do with it.
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Adam Curry: I do have a follow up. I
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John C Dvorak: have some Paris stuff.
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Adam Curry: Well, Oh, okay. Good. Then I have I have a
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follow up for that. Yeah, let's do some Paris stuff since since
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Pierre isn't
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John C Dvorak: a new source. A new
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Adam Curry: source. All right. T
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John C Dvorak: D. UK.
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Unknown: This is in D
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Adam Curry: D. Okay. Okay.
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John C Dvorak: I'll get started with the king. No, go Paris.
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Bernie one.
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Adam Curry: This sounds good.
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Unknown: King Charles. A state visit to France originally
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planned for Sunday has been postponed. It comes after the
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protests over pension reform erupted overnight into some of
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the worst street violence seen in years. French President
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Macron defended the move, saying it would have lacked sense to
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stage a historic visit amid social unrest. During the
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demonstrations. Police arrested hundreds of protesters and some
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police officers were injured.
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Not a time for a king to visit France. French President
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Emmanuel Macron announced that King Charles state visit would
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be postponed so your best to you.
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I think it wouldn't have been serious of us. And we'd have
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liked common sense if we propose the state visit to His Majesty
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the King and the Queen concert in the midst of the protests.
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Potentially a major embarrassment for Macron, who
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had hoped the monarchs visit would mark a simple step forward
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in the two countries efforts to turn the page after years of
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poor relations post Brexit. The French president has condemned
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the violence that erupted in the many protests across France on a
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Thursday. He says he will not overturn the controversial
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pension reform legislation.
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Adam Curry: So what why actually is I'm not sure why King Charles
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is going there at all.
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John C Dvorak: Well, the way they make it sound is is to mend
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relations after the Brexit that's what every that's when
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those reports all come in, trying to mend relations So I
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don't know what their relation
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Adam Curry: meant. What do you mean? Is it you deal with a
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needle and thread like me men let's mend this.
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John C Dvorak: Let's go part two of this.
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Adam Curry: Oh this had this must be part of this must be the
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channel. That must be the problem, the channel and
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migrants coming over in in little dinghies
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John C Dvorak: sneaking. That's probably
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Unknown: what has to do various as well as other cities in the
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country have plunged into chaos due to nationwide strikes. In
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one district, a street fire spread to a building that has
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been evacuated. The main door of the city hall in the
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southwestern French city of Bordeaux was set ablaze. In the
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streets of the capital residents had mixed feelings on the
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protests the way forward.
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I condemn all of this damage. The protesters claims are
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completely legitimate. We can agree or disagree, but it's
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legitimate. It's just that the rules must be respected. For
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you. It looks like there were attempts to try with softer
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diplomacy with the unions with protests that was quite peaceful
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over the past weeks. Now there is forcibly a threshold crossed,
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which leads to violence on the other side.
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The majority of French people are dissatisfied with the way
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macro implemented. The pension reform post suggests a
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television interview on Wednesday failed to change
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people's minds with protests raging, the President went to an
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EU summit on Friday in Brussels.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, I had this. I had this clipped in half.
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Unfortunately missed it. It was some wordage that I had a
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disagreement. They said it was legislation. It was never
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legislate legislation. It was just an edict.
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Adam Curry: Right, an edict that could not, yes, that bypass
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legislation, but it becomes law. I think it becomes actual law in
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this process.
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John C Dvorak: Now, the only other clip I have, which is the
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more interesting of the group is that is a strategy clip that
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somebody put together. I think it was NTD is Paris protests
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strategy.
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Unknown: Paris authorities recorded 903 fires, and 441
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injured police officers for Thursday's protest alone. During
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the yellow vest movement, police has developed a strategy to
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respond to protesters. But it appears that demonstrators this
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time are using the delight water tactic employed by Hong Kongers
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during their protest movement, meaning they scatter as soon as
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police show up and regroup in other areas. This cat and mouse
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game It makes for some astonishing scenes, you can find
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yourself surrounded by dozens of protesters in the middle of the
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road before quickly moving to another area. Meanwhile, you can
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hear police sirens all the time and see police car Dashing
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through the Capitol.
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Adam Curry: I think the black bloc is now also operational in
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Paris, which is the OG Antifa. And that's their, that's their
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strategy. They do stuff like that they're pretty well
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organized. When it comes to
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John C Dvorak: I find it fascinating that they're using
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it because I guess the Yellow Jacket protests or the yellow
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vest, they had figured out how to control it. And so now that
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we get to his new ideas, it's kind of interesting to me
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Adam Curry: in the in the vein of Never let a good crisis go to
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waste, we go to France 24 Believe it or not, I picked this
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up on their tech segment. While though I would say if the French
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really knew this was going on and it wasn't stuffed away in
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the F 24. Tech segment. They might be up in arms
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Unknown: over it. It is time for our tech 24 segment and tech 24.
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For that I'm joined by Peter O'Brien, like every week Hello
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there.
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Adam Curry: So you notice how one of the tech segment that I
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saw is no longer news like, hey, we just took phones just off
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we're not talking about off. You know what I mean? Tech is always
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John C Dvorak: you that NPR though with news. O'Brien,
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Unknown: like every week Hello there. We're going to come back
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here to France, the pension reform and the anger over that
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that wasn't the only controversy here in Parliament this week. So
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tell us more about what else went down
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under the radar a little bit in the international press. But it
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was a big change in terms of surveillance law in France that
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got passed in French Parliament this week, even though not many
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MPs actually turned up to vote on this bill. But yesterday, a
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bill was passed, which essentially means that
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algorithmic video surveillance so that's AI empowered use of
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cameras to survey crowds and events, sports events that's now
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being provided a legal framework in France and it's essentially
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been legalized. Now this will allow Official computers to
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recognize and signal risks and disturbances in public spaces,
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things that perhaps human observers wouldn't pick up on.
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It's part of a special package of laws for the Olympics and
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Paralympics next year. And as such this video surveillance
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parts will it's slated to only be in effect until June 2025.
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But you will know that no, it's almost a year after the end of
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the Olympics. The idea is for the government to be able to
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keep millions of people who will flock to the French capital
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safe. But many privacy activists are obviously concerned that
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this might be a precursor to a new status quo of AI enhanced
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surveillance.
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Adam Curry: Oh, no kidding. And the video they're showing is,
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you know, the the typical, you know, there's a box around
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everybody. It's got a little number, your ID, it's following
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you. And I know that AI Servette surveillance that should be
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frightening to the French. But the young they had there's not
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much about it unless you're watching the tech 20 fours news
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tech news. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at Deutsche Avella. You
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think that Deutsche Avella somewhere on their homepage or
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under German news would have something about the mega strike
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there is nothing
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John C Dvorak: top news on this morning's live
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Adam Curry: top news Berlin at all.
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, you think do you think it would be on the
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on the website? Yeah, all the airports are shuttered. Right as
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of now. Pa
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Adam Curry: just nothing about that on on on. DW dw.com
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Everybody know nothing. Wow. Transgender women banned from
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female athletics. They got that at the top. Berlin climate
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referendum false. Oh, speaking of climate. I have very
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important news to report from Jamaica. regarding climate
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change,
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John C Dvorak: oh, yes, we will. Let's take a break here and talk
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a little bit about your you made it back.
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Adam Curry: Yes. And may I say the comparison even though sank
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Sanger Sanger airport in Montego Bay is a bit hectic. To say the
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least. Man compared to TSA our guys are dicks man. They're also
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friendly. Yeah, man. I see you got computer in there take it
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out. It's no it's no problem but
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John C Dvorak: wow, here's your racist voice so that's
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Adam Curry: my No that's not my racist voice. So so you know and
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they only had the magnetometer which of course I'm fine was I
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go through the magnetometer and I got the studio suitcase. And
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you know, if I if I had to take they also take out your
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computers, your laptops, your iPad, your iPhones, technically,
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I take out the the laptop. Now still in there are two portable
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screens and the road caster Pro, so I have complied. But of
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course, they like Mr. We can't see through it. You got the
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laptop in there. So no, I don't have a laptop in there. Well,
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you have to come and take it out. So now I've got it took up
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my boots. And I took out I'd already taken off my boots and
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my belt. I had them back on now I'm on the other side of the
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magnetometer. The guy and so the guy says come through. So I'm
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walking back against traffic with my boots on with my belt on
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PPP. He says you got to take it out. So I take it out put all in
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one bin, because we go I mean, I thought you put them in separate
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bins, but put all in one Bin Bin, and then it goes through
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and then I walked through PPP places or take your boots off. I
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said, I just I just walked through because he said I had to
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you know take everything I was okay. Why? Okay, that's cool. I
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wasn't here a minute ago. You're good to go, literally. So I hope
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everyone on the flight felt safe with me a possible terrorist.
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Everything went well though. That was that was that was
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really nice. Our flight was on time, American. Unbelievable.
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But yeah, it happened. Now before I left though I did. I
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did do some scientific research. Now the first time I went to
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this particular resort, was 30 years ago. This is when I did a
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regular there. I was a bit for a while when I lived on the East
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Coast. You know, the East Coast is hop skip and a jump. It's
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kind of like Hawaii for
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John C Dvorak: for people who have four hours.
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Adam Curry: Yeah, this is like three and a half I guess even
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from from New York. It's probably three hours, three
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hours, a hop, skip and a jump. Now, so I was there 30 years
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ago. That's why I did a documentary of Jamaica. And
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that's where we started. And then I lost my very big small
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place has been there. It's been there forever. 70 years, I think
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at this point still upheld quite well. The last time I was there,
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and I've probably been there 10 times was 20 years ago. And a
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lot of the employees are still there. They've been there for
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3536 years. They know they get this job. They stay there. They
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love it. It's a family and Oh Mr. Curry, welcome. Welcome
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home. And so the bar on the beach, there's a little beach, a
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little beach is built around a tree. It's one of those trees in
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the middle. And then it's, you know, there's a wooden bar built
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around it. We all know this. And so I say to Stuart, who's been
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there for 36 years, Stewart Stewart, how come? You're not up
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to your neck and water from the from the rising sea levels from
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the climate change? He looks at me and he's, he says, don't
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bring that him on. It's like no, not a single centimeter has been
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lost the beaches exactly the same as 30. I know that what
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we've been told exactly the same as 30 years ago. Nothing has
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changed exactly the same beach as it lets a tiny little beach
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so it would be very noticeable. It's like a cove more than
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anything. Yeah, you would notice it and you'd think that the
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there's a couple of private houses that are part of this
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establishment right on the beach and the right on the beach, you
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think it'd be falling in? No, no, from 30 is still there the
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same things? Well,
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John C Dvorak: something's up with it must
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Adam Curry: I don't know what they're doing in Jamaica?
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They're doing something different. Very, very
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suspicious. So, yes, yeah. And they all they all thought it was
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very funny though. It's the Jamaicans like, the, if they
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really know you're in on it, then they'll smile and laugh
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like, Okay, I got you. Otherwise, they'll just be like,
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What are you talking about? And they'll be real. If you're, if
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you're in with the gang, then then they'll lead up. I'm sure
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they have to deal with a lot of crazy people who believe all
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kinds of crazy things like the like the yoga lady who came in
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from New York. And we had a chat with our from a Texas Oh, okay.
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Hey, nice to meet you. I'm gonna stand over here. The minute you
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heard we're from Texas, she started to edge away. Why?
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Because she she immediately could feel that we were not in
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her in her team from Manhattan. We were not her crowd. I can you
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could the it's like, it's like the temperature dropped five
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degrees. Well, from Texas. Oh, Dick. Yeah. The way it is.
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They're just speaking with climate change. For one second.
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There's a new movie coming out Oliver Stone. You heard about
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this?
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John C Dvorak: No, I have not.
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Adam Curry: No, I have a little bit of the trailer. And I think
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well now first of all, he's all in on climate change. You got to
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know Oliver Stone. All in climate change is happening.
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Fossil fuels, we got to stop. And if we don't stop the carbon
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dioxide 100% We don't drop it 100% We're all going to die. But
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his solution is novel. And I would say he's flipping the
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script. Scary music.
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Unknown: We may have come to a point in time when Earth is
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asking us. Do you know what you're doing?
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Most of our power still comes from burning gas and coal. The
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amount is going up, not down. And if we do not cut carbon
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emissions by nearly 100%, the world will suffer serious
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damage. This is an even bigger problem than we thought the
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answer to solving climate change is very straightforward. What's
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the best solution in your mind? Largely nuclear, nuclear,
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nuclear nuclear. We've been trained from the very beginning
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to fear nuclear power. The very thing that we fear
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is what may save us
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what scary is not the same as what's
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dangerous. Coal is dangerous and more people die from coal in a
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couple of weeks than ever died from nuclear which is all from
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the one accident in Chernobyl. How about that?
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Adam Curry: It's called the nuclear now
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John C Dvorak: that may be why they set the wolves on this
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little leak that's in one of these nuclear plants. I don't
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have any clips of it but this one plant has a leaking
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Adam Curry: a new water in America. Oh yes. I did read
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about that. And
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John C Dvorak: yeah, it's late but it's tritium and it's in the
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water and it's that doesn't
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Adam Curry: sound good Tritium.
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John C Dvorak: Tritium. Not bad. That's pretty much okay. But
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it's there. NBC CBS ABC they've all been making a fuss over this
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this water leak
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Adam Curry: Oh, I don't have any I don't have any clips on that.
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I must have I think I heard it but
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John C Dvorak: I just think something's up with the with
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these reports because I maybe they're trying to do I think
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we're going to start to see more of this stuff to counter me if
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this guy's going to promote nukes to that extreme.
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Interesting. Well, I want
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Adam Curry: to know since we know billows here
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John C Dvorak: I also there's a little bit in there he said
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something about We've been trained to fear it or ya know,
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he goes to it. Well, that's not necessarily true. We were
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initially trained to love and want it in the 50s. Oh, in fact,
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I think I still have some of these comic books. But when the
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nuke nuclear power plants were first initiated in the United
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States, there were comic books. Mr. nucular, you're really Yeah,
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and there was a bunch of comic books and how it's going to deal
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if there was a big promotion of it for about a decade. And it
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continued until the event at Three Mile Island.
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Adam Curry: Right, which, and that, of course, was in
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conjunction with the release of the movie. China's syndrome.
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Yeah, that came within two weeks of each other coincidence with
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Dantley so Huh, okay. Well, they're not well, they're not
20:56
doing a justice now. I mean, so I, of course, have not seen the
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movie. But I look forward to it. I look forward to seeing, you
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know, if Bill Gates is going to be there promoting his
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investments in nuclear, which we know he has this.
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John C Dvorak: He may have been investing in that movie for all
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we know. That's what that's what I'm
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Adam Curry: saying. It's like, this is a flip of the script
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that is suspicious to me. And Oliver Stone, why would he? I
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mean, the guy investigate so much. I have hold him in pretty
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high regard for most of his his work. But what is this? Now he's
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all in on climate change. I mean, surely he can see the
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bullcrap of that? Or is just some other agenda that he has
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John C Dvorak: made his money?
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Adam Curry: Okay, you always have to take take us there,
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don't you? So, I had a lot of time to think, on the semi
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vacation. Yeah, just sitting there on the on the non climate
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change washed up beach. Following along with and by the
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way, it was lovely. There was no television in the room. And no
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television anywhere, really, except in like some common space
22:11
if you want to watch a big sports game. So there was no
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Tucker and Heath. And I feel like I missed Tucker, Tucker.
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Well, that's like the only thing that I would that I used to
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watch consistently. We kind of stopped doing that a couple of
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weeks ago, just because he was all part of the outrage. And now
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when he started off and did a whole thing on Don Lemond for 20
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minutes. I'm like, Okay, I'm done. I'm done. I don't know
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what your problem is. But you got nothing. But there was no,
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there was just no outrage to watch it. I could get enough of
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it online and people sent me all the appropriate clips. I had a
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good thing about tick tock tick. Can we talk about can we talk
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about the Tick Tock for a bit?
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John C Dvorak: Well, we can pray if you don't mind? premising It
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was my tick tock clip. No, I
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Adam Curry: think that's very important. Hold on.
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Unknown: Tick tock.
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John C Dvorak: Tick this, this clip is the bearded lady. It's a
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bearded lady that comes on and starts to chat.
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Unknown: Yesterday, this well meaning older gentleman asked me
23:11
if I was depressed because I've been growing out my beard
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lately. I was like, No, I'm growing out my beard because I
23:16
lost myself because I'm confident in my body. I did this
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little curtsy and he laughed and the owner was smiling at me. It
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was a beautiful moment. And it was then I realized I'm finally
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stepping into my own power enough to be vulnerable with the
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world. Because seven months ago, as soon as a bearded lady mask
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fam look, and I loved it. But when I had to go to the VA, just
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to get housing and getting a transitional living program,
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become part of the system. I shaved it off because it was
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free not to be taken seriously as a woman. So I just want to
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encourage you today there's no right way to be a woman. Okay?
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Let's just go ahead and break that binary. Some women have
23:51
facial hair. Some women shave their armpits, some don't. Some
23:54
men have vaginas. Some women have penises. Get over it. All
24:00
right. So I challenge you today to love and express yourself
24:03
recklessly. You're one of a kind doll
24:07
Adam Curry: Okay, and the point of playing this clip is
24:12
Unknown: that's tick tock
24:14
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's part of tick tock. I agree. Of course,
24:21
we and I'm not going to play endless clips from the five
24:24
hours of grilling of the CEO of tick tock by the way my
24:29
apologies P Singaporean, he's not Chinese. No wonder he
24:35
doesn't look like your typical frowning CCP guy. So I
24:42
John C Dvorak: I apologize for they do they frown or frown or
24:45
Adam Curry: I apologize for racially profiling him. And just
24:48
this as a typical racist assuming that he is Chinese that
24:51
was very bad of me and I repent. But boy, was this the news? Was
24:56
this the news everybody was all over it all the lawmakers is
25:00
working out what the big deal CBS reports
25:02
Unknown: from the beginning shows each shoe the CEO of the
25:05
most downloaded app in the past two years based intense scrutiny
25:09
on time
25:10
is up. And at this committee gets its way. Tic TOCs. Time is
25:15
up.
25:15
That tick tock executive tried to reassure lawmakers with a
25:18
commitment to safety.
25:19
There are more than 150 million Americans who love our platform.
25:23
And we know we have a responsibility to protect them.
25:27
And he insisted the video sharing platform is not an arm
25:30
of the Chinese government despite being owned by parent
25:33
company bytedance, based in Beijing
25:35
has bitin spied on American citizens.
25:39
I don't think that spying is the right way to describe it.
25:42
She said the company is working to build a firewall dub project
25:46
Texas to store and protect user data in the US
25:49
and I have seen no evidence that the Chinese government has
25:52
access to that data,
25:53
I find that actually preposterous. Okay, lawmakers
25:57
also present you with content aimed at younger users from
26:00
buying drugs on the app to dangers of some Tik Tok
26:03
challenges and videos promoting eating disorders and suicidal
26:07
behavior. Our kids are at risk on your platform. The Nazca
26:12
family attended the hearing their 16 year old son died by
26:16
suicide after viewing disturbing videos served up on the
26:19
platform. I would just like to see mainly stopping promoting
26:27
these types of videos that my son was getting President Biden
26:31
has been the app on government devices along with at least two
26:34
dozen states. Does this put tick tock closer to a complete ban?
26:39
Absolutely. I think it was pretty clear that the Congress
26:42
is unified. In terms of opposing tick tock.
26:47
Adam Curry: This was really very interesting. The first of all, I
26:51
heard you laughing. So maybe that's because of the fact that
26:54
the CEO of tick tock used the John C. Dvorak, no evidence
26:59
defense, it was astounding. I
27:01
Unknown: have seen no evidence that the Chinese government has
27:04
access to that data. They have never asked us we have not
27:07
provided
27:07
Adam Curry: I love I've seen no evidence. I did did you go rogue
27:12
you go rogue of the curry Devorah Consulting Group and
27:14
it's just the DeVore I
27:16
John C Dvorak: grew revenue split, there's no way
27:19
Adam Curry: and then and then the CEO pulled in what about
27:23
ism?
27:23
Unknown: Basically my opening statement? I think we are need
27:26
to address the problem of privacy. I agree with you. I
27:28
don't think ownership is the issue here with a lot of
27:31
respect. American social companies don't have a good
27:34
track record with data privacy and user security. I mean, look
27:37
at Facebook and Cambridge Analytica
27:40
Adam Curry: went there he went there and of course for the hit.
27:46
But you can say all you want about Cambridge Analytica and
27:50
Facebook and Instagram and Google and that they track
27:53
everybody just as much which they do, but you cannot refute
27:58
what Representative biller right raucous of Florida Saddleman
28:03
this was the main the main attack vector where you
28:07
Unknown: must save our children from big tech companies like
28:11
yours, we
28:11
Adam Curry: must save our children all about the children.
28:15
They're dying the children, no mention, of course, of the
28:19
children who suffer from bulimia who remember they were on was
28:24
that that Tumblr, Tumblr, Tumblr purchased by automatic and are
28:32
part of WordPress, Tumblr, promoted that and all the
28:35
bulimia ik kids we're getting, you know, tips and tricks on how
28:39
to do that. And, of course, that is also on Facebook. It's also
28:43
an instrument, all of this is harmful. But why are we singling
28:47
this guy out? Well, of course, we've discussed ad nauseam, the
28:56
theory that everyone tracks everybody the same, but somehow
28:59
the Tick Tock guys are just taking all the ad money. They're
29:03
they're eating their lunch. And that is pissing them off. And
29:07
that's the part like to focus on what exactly are they doing?
29:11
What is the magic that they have? Because did you see this
29:14
note from from our producer who works at a digital marketing
29:17
firm for small software as a service company that provides
29:22
marketing and E commerce support for florists?
29:26
John C Dvorak: I did not see that note.
29:27
Adam Curry: So he says they partnered with Yeah, he said we
29:30
partnered with mountain TV, the company purchased by Ryan
29:32
Reynolds, which specifically focused on geo target marketing
29:35
and providing TV ads based on the devices ID and not cookies.
29:40
This is the DMA which is the demographic market. DMA, I
29:46
think, is the access I gotta get the acronym right. Which which
29:50
is what everybody uses. Facebook uses this. Let me see D. It
29:55
comes from Nielsen Nielsen provides this. This information
30:00
are designated market areas for ad targeting. And, and our
30:05
producer here explains it. Anyone who enters a geofence is
30:08
captured for remarketing. So when your device ID walks into a
30:14
certain area, you'll get TV ads across Hulu Paramount any cloud
30:18
service that serves ads, it's all tied together display ads,
30:21
the cell phone, laptop, tablet, connected TV, anything within
30:25
the geofence is targeted any device connected to the same Wi
30:28
Fi network as the initial target device is captured for
30:32
remarketing you can target a house, a block a mall parking
30:36
lot conference centers, whatever you want. Propellant media and
30:41
mountain TV are the the main companies that do this, which is
30:45
I assume tick tock after being on 200 million plus devices in
30:48
the US as all the device IDs further linked to other devices
30:51
that have shared the same network then you have hot jar, a
30:54
tool we use to watch what people do on a website and tells you if
30:58
someone is frustrated and lets us know when to fix something on
31:01
partner sites and watching everything. In the end tick tock
31:05
like others has screen recordings of app activity
31:08
device IDs, location, data movement, shared devices via Wi
31:12
Fi images and video of all the users in various places,
31:15
tracking them with the app running everything in the
31:17
background to serve ads. And so what people think, man, my phone
31:23
is listening to me. I just was talking about this and they
31:26
serve me an ad about it. Now. That's because you're on your
31:29
phone. And this is this is how it works with his DMA. It goes
31:34
on to say I've learned in digital marketing, you can
31:35
easily get a lot of information from users, the mountain TVs
31:38
tiktoks repellents have uploaded our 300,000 email addresses
31:43
names and address match them against Oracle LexisNexis other
31:46
databases. I mean, this is just one little company that does
31:50
this. So even with a VPN,
31:53
John C Dvorak: but let's stop for one second. And remember a
31:56
couple of things. First of all, no discussion of the free and
32:00
open internet, free and open Internet. It's very important.
32:05
We have to have a free and open Internet. Okay. Yeah, sure.
32:08
That's gone by the wayside. The second thing is this holy grail
32:13
of advertising has been discussed since the 1980s. This
32:18
is going to be the greatest thing ever. We're going to have
32:21
we can be able to really pinpoint people we can find
32:25
them. You know, this was what the interactive TV was supposed
32:28
to do, but that never flew. And so when it came along,
32:33
Adam Curry: TV, web TV wasn't web TV was a thing called in or
32:36
web TV
32:36
John C Dvorak: was one of the companies that came along, but
32:38
it was all part of interactive TV, which was going to be the
32:41
greatest thing ever. Yeah. And interactive TV was the way see I
32:44
remember when CNET was started up in the early 90s. Just as the
32:49
web browser is coming into play that their whole thing their
32:51
original model for making money was going to be interactive TV
32:55
Yes, they were going to be
32:56
Adam Curry: a television network primarily.
33:00
John C Dvorak: Yeah, interact interactive TV with remote take
33:04
over the place.
33:05
Adam Curry: With your remote that you'll be interacting
33:07
you'll click on your click on the on the on the dress, you'll
33:10
be able to order it.
33:14
John C Dvorak: We have to renew every TV supposedly to be
33:17
watching friends. And you can say what is that Mike? Because
33:20
oh, I want those shoes.
33:22
Adam Curry: Right? It was friends was the example all the
33:25
time? Oh, yeah. People want to buy whatever Monica is wearing?
33:28
Yes. Yes, nailed. So
33:32
John C Dvorak: this was all the goal all along. And I don't want
33:35
to bring in something completely different. But just as a
33:39
parallel the idea of a digital library of all the world's books
33:44
in one, you know, digital form is another one of these goals
33:48
that people talked about in the 80s and 90s. So it comes to
33:52
fruition this the advertising part of it using the way they're
33:56
doing it like you just described these these mechanisms. And
33:59
everybody's bitching about it. Give me a break,
34:04
Adam Curry: but only in the context of tick tock, because go
34:07
ahead and just do a
34:09
John C Dvorak: tick tock didn't exist. What would we be
34:11
complaining? No, because
34:13
Adam Curry: it's been going on for a long time. This is Nielsen
34:16
who do deliver this data DMA geo targeting. And you can look at
34:20
it from Meg Mehta. You can look at it for Google it's available
34:23
to everybody. And he I just have a story from the Tick Tock
34:27
business blog does have a date on this thing. DF DMA God
34:31
targeting enabled for businesses on tick tock, yay. This is this
34:36
is not not like anybody doesn't have this. I wish they had a
34:41
timestamp or a date. Let me see. Can I do this view source? I'd
34:45
like to know when this was published. Doesn't say okay, no.
34:52
All right. Good work tick tock. So we have to kind of assume
34:57
that tick tock doesn't have anything special Although that
35:00
was the mean for a long time, tick tock Oh, yeah, that they
35:04
target you everywhere. They track you on all your devices
35:07
just like everyone else. It's called the DMA geofencing. So
35:11
that's not it. So what exactly has happened here? And I need
35:17
your help on the timeline of some of these things. And you'll
35:20
you'll, you'll probably remember better than I did, but first of
35:22
all, let's just talk about some basics. Tick tock, two syllable
35:25
name. Great name. You can't argue with tick tock. It's a
35:29
great name, tick tock. It's just, it's fabulous. It is in,
35:37
in essence, something that no, it would Periscope probably
35:40
should have been back in the day, but it's a video Twitter.
35:43
That's what it is. It's a video, Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.
35:47
Comments are very short. You know it. The Time Compression is
35:53
amazing. I've gone viral twice on Tik Tok. I've been alerted to
35:57
this, I installed it once and uninstalled it just to see
36:02
hundreds of 1000s of views of two different topics of me on
36:06
Joe Rogan. And the tools that they have this is this is
36:10
something that we have to talk about back in the day. When we
36:14
were still using dream Dreamweaver, and front page
36:19
tools, we need tools for the Internet tools, tools, remember
36:22
the tools, the tool discussion Come on. Tools,
36:27
John C Dvorak: was Dreamweaver still in play it but it was
36:30
front page that was the big page was the one Microsoft front page
36:34
was actually a dynamite product came out in the late 90s, I
36:39
think and it was it wasn't a Microsoft product, they bought
36:42
it and ruined it. Oh, immediately ruined it
36:47
immediately by making it so proprietary that it didn't do
36:50
normal HTML
36:52
Adam Curry: anymore. htm.
36:55
John C Dvorak: No, no, that was just a dev. It was not doing he
37:00
produced a file that had an htm extension. But that's not what
37:04
I'm talking about. Most of the editing tools for HTML early web
37:09
pages was would edit HTML, they didn't have a bunch of crazy
37:13
crafted, front page developed that was all on the back end
37:17
that only Microsoft had control of. And it became so confusing
37:21
and impossible to use. I used it when it first came out. It was
37:24
dynamite. And then it became a piece of crap. Yes, and still
37:28
baffles me why Microsoft allowed that to happen.
37:31
Adam Curry: So in the early days of the internet, you had to have
37:34
a web host or a server and you had to know some HTML, and you
37:39
had to have your red ball dot GIF and know how to do an image
37:42
source equals and, and then you had a domain name, I was the
37:46
king of that. And that was the early days. Then we got two O's
37:50
tools, everybody tools. And then from tools came. So we had a
37:55
front page, and then we got flash. Oh, everyone has a macro
38:01
media, good old Mark canter, betta flash, and then it was
38:05
gonna be flash flash took over everything. Everything was
38:07
flash, flash, flash, flash flash animation. And then we had Java
38:11
scripts, and all all code and then tools for the JavaScript,
38:14
all kinds of tool tool tool tools. So if you look at
38:18
John C Dvorak: Tic Toc, you kind of jumped over CSS. But
38:23
Adam Curry: what I'm talking about the tools right now. So
38:26
what was the tool for CSS?
38:28
John C Dvorak: I don't know. Okay.
38:31
Adam Curry: I was gone to write cascading style sheets, okay,
38:35
I'm out of hiring, somebody can't free because front page
38:39
was good. I can use front page. Front Page was cool. Hey, um,
38:43
maybe you baked your own tool or had a little interface or
38:46
something. But that was about it. And I'll get to the to the
38:52
tools that tick tock is using. So in the back in the days
38:55
actually, we had AOL first. Okay, then we had the web pages,
38:59
we got front page. And then we got the big, you know, someone
39:03
came up with these ideas like, well, we can give people their
39:06
own web page space. So they don't have to, you know, don't
39:10
have to go out and get a web server and all that. I think
39:12
maybe geo cities was a probably an early example of that AOL
39:16
John C Dvorak: gave you the free web page. Which was stupid,
39:20
Adam Curry: right? Well, they let the cat well what happened
39:22
at once AOL opened the gateway to the internet. What happened
39:26
to AOL? Bob lives. But it means that the is that what? And they
39:33
didn't mean it. They didn't understand it. But this has
39:35
happened consistently. Here's where I need your timeline help.
39:38
So at a certain point, I think we're still messing around with
39:43
you know, with web hosting and geo cities came along, at a
39:47
certain point. What I remember MySpace exploded, and MySpace
39:53
gave you a web space, MBU called BS
39:57
John C Dvorak: that you have to dispute the approach janitor of
40:00
course was Live Journal.
40:02
Adam Curry: Yes and but the Live Journal didn't have RSS feeds at
40:06
the time did they? I think that
40:08
John C Dvorak: I don't know later all I know is I remember
40:11
when it when Live Journal came along and the My favorite story
40:15
of course is I dusted the timeline but my journal, the guy
40:18
was offered a bunch of money for it and infused it. At it
40:26
Adam Curry: he was trying to keep it the integrity. I'm not
40:28
selling out, right. Am I right? I'm not selling I
40:31
John C Dvorak: think it was one of those guys who think you're
40:32
gonna make billions in the you know,
40:34
Adam Curry: and he didn't know. And he didn't. And we had
40:37
movable type was the blog that came up kind of like, all that
40:40
kind of old school type me ethical type. But then MySpace
40:44
came along and that was the web for everybody. Because you could
40:47
go crazy. You could have stuff flying around ganking cat stuff
40:51
jumping up and down and it was your space, your space on the
40:55
internet. Everybody had the same friend Tom, Tom got you started
40:59
you had a friend. And then you could your friends could connect
41:02
to you. This was big. In fact, Tom Freston, my boss of the time
41:06
MTV Networks was fired. And it's a fact record fact of record
41:13
record of its stated record. He was fired because he did not buy
41:17
MySpace for $500 million. And of course, he is laughing. Because
41:25
what happened? MySpace got usurped by a new new thing,
41:30
which was Facebook. And what did Facebook have? Facebook had the
41:34
news feed. So it was a it was a it was a giant leap in, in
41:43
publishing up, but it was something new, it was a new
41:46
thing. And, and later, they of course, had the at first, I
41:50
think the early Facebook was chronological. I don't think
41:56
they brought in the algo until later, where they decided to Oh,
41:59
no, this is what you're gonna see. And that cranked up
42:01
Facebook even further. So Facebook gave you some more
42:06
tools, tools, tools, tools for publishing very easily. Tools
42:11
for liking things, and sharing things and building communities.
42:16
These are all tools in my mind. And then they gave tools to
42:19
advertisers, all goods of Facebook sword, sword, I tell
42:24
you, until a new player came along. Do you know the player
42:29
that was endangering Facebook? Instagram, Instagram, these
42:35
people, the kids were now on Instagram, they had shortened
42:38
stuff, and it was just pictures and they're going crazy. And
42:40
they loved it. And there was very addictive and they're all
42:43
in and, and Mark Zuckerberg went, I gotta do something, I'm
42:46
gonna buy him. And he did. And was a brilliant, brilliant move.
42:51
Brilliant Mum, I
42:51
John C Dvorak: agree with that. In fact, I'm surprised the
42:54
government allowed it but really, really surprised.
43:00
Adam Curry: Now, in the meantime, in the meantime, over
43:03
on the search side, we had Lycos and Alta Vista. And then these
43:08
these two guys came along who magically from Russia, and they
43:12
figured it all out and and they built Google and that page rank.
43:18
And this was a new way to search and Alta Vista was gone within
43:22
seconds. By the way, when when Facebook came what happened to
43:25
MySpace, crickets. So this does happen in technology, new
43:30
companies come in. And then the old ones go away that just
43:33
disappears slowly over time. But some of it goes quite fast.
43:37
AltaVista disappeared overnight, the way and Lycos and they tried
43:42
to do all kinds of stuff with didn't they try to package that
43:45
with Excite. And and so other companies, I mean, this is all
43:49
Silicon Valley lore, and it's just a path littered with dead
43:53
companies that are still, you know, are still around and
43:56
eventually get bought by Verizon. You know, on the
44:01
content side, you can sit say the same about what's the Greek
44:04
lady's name? Sorry, the Greek lady who had the very popular
44:10
website that no one got paid to write for Huffington Huffington
44:14
Post, oh, this was the future of publishing. She was she was
44:18
going to outdo the biggest publishers in the world,
44:22
Huffington Post.
44:24
John C Dvorak: Yeah, because people weren't going to get paid
44:26
now that was a
44:26
Adam Curry: great, great idea. And that also got sold to
44:30
Verizon and Verizon buys up all the junk at the end of the day.
44:34
Or at&t. So then Google Google couldn't get a network's they
44:38
couldn't get anything started they couldn't do it they they
44:41
tried or cut me out they they even which
44:44
John C Dvorak: was very successful. Yes
44:47
Adam Curry: amongst Brazilians have a certain look
44:52
John C Dvorak: last that you all
44:53
Adam Curry: Brazil Brazilians alright, but it wasn't good
44:55
enough and they just couldn't get Americans to use it and was
44:58
Brazilians was great but not good. Right enough. And and then
45:03
they they had, they had RSS reader, which was very, very
45:09
popular. And Tina remembers that she used it. And this, of
45:12
course, was blogs, people were subscribing to blogs. And they
45:15
saw, they saw this fantastic ecosystem and said, Hey, let's
45:19
kill that off. And let's do it ourselves. And so they close
45:23
down Google Reader, because they couldn't figure out how to make
45:26
it make money off of it, I presume. And they built it was
45:30
at Google Plus, is that what they put in place of RSS reader?
45:34
Google Reader?
45:35
John C Dvorak: No, who is an exact replacement? By Google
45:39
Plus? I think they were targeting Facebook specifically,
45:42
thinking they could do it better. And of course, they have
45:45
no social skills. No. And were unable to. They just couldn't do
45:51
it. They just can't seem to do anything except a very few prod
45:55
products.
45:57
Adam Curry: And then what did they buy? For I think it was one
46:02
of the largest purchases ever at that point was, was
46:05
1,000,000,002 billion YouTube. They bought YouTube.
46:11
John C Dvorak: Yeah, for at the time would seem like an
46:13
outrageous amount of money. Yeah. Yeah.
46:17
Adam Curry: So they're very smart. Someone who was smart,
46:19
and they bought you all to say, kept digging. And YouTube was
46:23
broadcast yourself. And what YouTube became, as we can see,
46:30
now it shows lots of shows lots of copies of television. I would
46:37
say the the millio of YouTube is nothing like tick tock. And they
46:45
saw the writing on the wall when tick tock came along, and they
46:48
went, Oh, Google shorts. It's short video. And but no, no, it
46:52
didn't. And of course, YouTube has phenomenal algorithms that
46:56
have worked very well for them for quite a long time.
47:02
John C Dvorak: Kind of it always stands out to me is that these
47:05
companies like YouTube, for example, and all these tech
47:08
companies that they've all done a delegate into this mode. Will
47:11
this give what what this guy's what he's doing what he's
47:13
making? He's selling Mooseheads? i Oh, we could sell Mooseheads
47:19
junk jewelry, or we could sell junk jewelry. He's got a liquor
47:23
store. Well, we can do a liquor store.
47:25
Adam Curry: Yes. But the innovation left a long time ago,
47:30
the innovation left Facebook when they bought Instagram. I
47:34
believe if I recall correctly, Zuckerberg in 2016. Tried to buy
47:38
Tik Tok, I think. Pretty sure that was 2015 20. So I would
47:45
have been smart if true. I think that he tried to do that. And
47:49
then he decided it was too expensive or didn't didn't want
47:52
to do it. And now I just say it's definitely too expensive.
47:55
He could no one can buy that. I don't think any company is quite
47:58
big enough to do that. While they're all off doing chat GPT
48:04
you saw how fast that went? Oh, they've got a liquor store. And
48:07
it's called Chat chat. GPT we can do chat GPT. Harvard show
48:15
John C Dvorak: that the short history of the internet by Adam
48:18
curry.
48:20
Adam Curry: But what happens is, there's always something better
48:23
that comes along and now tick tock came along, and they don't
48:27
know how to replicate it. But I think I've kind of figured out I
48:32
mean, so. So the accusation is, oh, they're tracking China.
48:39
China's gonna track you. They're good. They're gonna hurt our
48:42
children. Oh, it's horrible. They're telling our children to
48:45
jump in front of trains and stop eating. Now, that's also all
48:50
these other social network that's also Instagram. That's
48:53
all that's all the same stuff. There's nothing new. But there
48:56
is something different by the way. American Airlines as I was,
49:01
you know, tick tock is being banned everywhere. As we were
49:04
flying back, you get free internet on American Airlines.
49:08
If you're a T Mobile Subscriber, which I think is very
49:11
interesting. It seems like to counter intuitive brands to be
49:16
working together. You think American Airlines would have AT
49:19
and T or something as their partner? You know what I mean?
49:22
But not the cheap as T Mobile and that's like a lower lower
49:25
tier of people. But we got free internet, but guess what
49:29
wouldn't work tic tock YouTube worked for Tik Tok didn't work
49:33
so americanairlines blocking Tik Tok on your inflight? I thought
49:36
it was kind of interesting.
49:38
John C Dvorak: free and open Internet.
49:41
Adam Curry: Net Neutrality. Exactly. So let's get back to
49:47
the tools for a second. Having gone viral twice in two
49:51
completely different videos topics, both of them from the
49:56
Joe Rogan show. One about my faith journey one about Out of
50:00
my theory of tick tock. In both cases 1520 minute conversations
50:05
have been hacked down to 45 second videos with the mean jump
50:11
cuts and and captions flowing across the screen and zooms in
50:16
and cut aways and they're like music all set to music. This I
50:21
think the tool is called cap cut. It's as a part of it's
50:25
integrated as a tool in side of Tik Tok. The other part is a
50:30
bite dance app. But if you if you look at the videos and the
50:35
music, they've licensed, the tools that they give creators,
50:39
that's you and me to create stuff on Tik Tok is very
50:44
advanced. And it goes far beyond the filter that makes you look
50:47
pretty on Instagram, that people are making cool stuff like, Oh,
50:51
look at this video I made. And that's all generated for you.
50:56
You just throw some stuff in there and you click on it, I
50:58
want this I want the music in. And this is in a way true
51:03
artificial intelligence. It's syncing up everything. It's
51:06
making great videos, and in their time compressing a 15
51:11
minute concept into 45 seconds. And if it works, and you look at
51:17
it, you go wow. 1000s and 1000s of comments 1000s and 1000s and
51:23
1000s of comments. So then you hear it's the algo their
51:29
algorithm, which a good algorithm, but they need to show
51:32
us the algorithm,
51:32
Unknown: the algorithm algorithm.
51:35
Adam Curry: You've heard this talk, I'm sure about the
51:37
algorithm. It's the algorithm we have. That's the danger. That's
51:41
that's the that's the bazooka? Well, I'm going to disagree. But
51:47
I will do that after we listen to the smartest man in media
51:51
Professor Scott Galloway, Prof. G. And he was on the Bill Maher
51:57
show I only have this clip I did not watch the whole thing. But I
52:00
saw this clip and went Oh yeah. Here's the smartest man because
52:03
you know he does a show with Kara Swisher. It is the award
52:07
winning number one technology podcast, according to the ambi
52:11
awards that he does with Kara Swisher called pivot. And here
52:15
he's telling you why tick tock should be banned
52:18
Unknown: from imagine a brain Jack inserted into the neural
52:22
network of two thirds of our youth under the age of 25. Spend
52:25
more time on tick tock than every other media source
52:27
combined. And then imagine how easy it would be to put your
52:31
thumb on the scale of anti American content and recognize
52:35
that they would be stupid, not to elegantly, insidiously,
52:40
covertly raise a generation of American civic, nonprofit,
52:44
military and government leaders who day by day, minute by
52:47
minute, just feel a little shittier about America. If we
52:51
had that tool in China, we would do the exact same thing. This is
52:57
a defense threat. It should absolutely be done. We can't
53:00
have.
53:01
Adam Curry: You can't. Yeah. So let's just look at his analogy
53:07
here. He says that the Chinese, in effect, have jacked into our
53:12
children's neural networking and are teaching them to hate
53:15
America every day. Now, this is interesting, because whenever
53:21
you come to the table with some tick tock, click tick tock clips
53:24
or something else. It's purple hair, pink hair, bearded ladies,
53:30
you know, do they hate America? It doesn't sound like they hate
53:32
America. So. So I think first of all, I think Professor G hates
53:41
America. And what's happening is Professor G, when he's on Tik
53:45
Tok, which I'm sure he is. He's getting videos about people who
53:49
hate America. And this is, I think the key that is happening
53:55
with Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley knows Oh, it doesn't
53:59
matter what we do. Once someone else is selling, the better
54:03
whiskey, the whiskey everybody likes or the new way to drink
54:06
whiskey. There's no coming back from it. There's nothing we can
54:09
do. We're dead in the water. Would you agree that looking at
54:13
the history of Silicon Valley, that's kind of true.
54:17
John C Dvorak: What was out there? Well, they don't. Yet
54:21
know. I know what you're saying. And I think is generally true,
54:24
but I never think that they themselves ever think they're
54:27
dead in the water.
54:29
Adam Curry: I think Peter Thiel does, I think he's smart. He
54:32
probably can you know, he's one of the founding shareholders of
54:36
Facebook. I think he does see that like, Oh, crap. These guys
54:41
got us. I think someone over at Google when they see the actual
54:45
numbers, half the people are going to tick tock to search for
54:48
something before they Google. I think they say oh crap. I think
54:52
there's people over there who was seeing this and this is
54:54
where they like we have to stop this. This is a runaway train.
54:59
By their Our own admission Tic Toc,
55:01
John C Dvorak: well, yes, I would take the position that
55:04
they would initially try the most chickenshit thing they can
55:10
do, which is to go to the government and beg them to stop
55:15
it. Right? And there's a day themselves may not understand
55:20
how well they understand. But they themselves know that they
55:23
have to either create something better, right can or actually by
55:27
the work effort of competing, yes, yeah.
55:33
Adam Curry: And they have Instagram came up with reals.
55:37
YouTube came up.
55:38
John C Dvorak: Okay, I am the casual user here. I, you know, I
55:41
look at tick tock, I do it on the web, I don't have an account
55:44
and I get all these good, good, great stuff, great stuff. And I
55:49
also have an Instagram account that I accidentally got. And I
55:52
will say literally accidentally got because one day, I got an
55:58
email from Instagram saying somebody's trying to get you
56:02
know, somebody blogging in Oh, and I say, wait a minute, I
56:07
don't have an account, but I logged in with my normal with
56:10
it. Oh, my God, that guy. Yeah, they got Yeah. They got you
56:14
know, they got they got some teenage girl who had apparently
56:20
abandoned her account some years earlier. So I just asserted. And
56:24
so I've been building this account very slowly. And I
56:27
noticed that when I plowed through it, it gets to you get
56:30
the end, and then they start playing and then you continue
56:34
and you start getting these random videos very much like
56:37
tick tock videos of hilarity. You know, dogs jumping off the
56:42
roof and cats spinning around. Yes. Yes. And a lot of them you
56:47
can watch I'll watch up to 10 of them and I go this is hilarious.
56:51
And some of this stuff is quite funny. Yes. Are somebody making
56:56
a muffin in five seconds? You know,
56:58
Adam Curry: you are you are coming close to where to the end
57:02
here with me. This is their magical algo and I'm in a unique
57:08
position to understand the algo which you've noticed no one has
57:11
said how the algo works what you hear is its children are getting
57:17
self harm videos. Yes, yes they are. That also happens elsewhere
57:21
but that yes they are because here's what I've noticed. And
57:25
this is what I what I kind of realized while sitting on the
57:30
beach, scrolling around not watching television focused on
57:33
what people are saying. So I'm getting emails from from
57:38
producers who say Dude, the reason they want tick tock gone
57:43
is because the Patriots are on there man all the Patriots are
57:47
there look at all these videos. Look what we're talking about
57:50
Trump patriots freedom of speech. And then I I see
57:56
elsewhere. I see the exact same not directed to me, but I see
58:02
postings you know why they why they want these why they want
58:06
these why they want Tik Tok banned because this is where
58:09
LGBTQ lives man, which is our community we live here a really
58:15
well that's interesting. So both groups think that tick tock is
58:20
being taken down because it's their home now so my chat with
58:28
Joe Rogan went viral in two places. YouTube and Tiktok and
58:35
when I started getting this about Jesus so when I start
58:39
getting notes from people man your vibe or your vibe your vibe
58:42
okay load it up I take a look and there's multiple people have
58:45
made have remade this video. 1020 times each one has
58:49
100,000 500,000 a million views. Beauty tube 800,000 views?
58:57
Here's the difference. On Tick Tock 567 8000 comments. All
59:06
right, man, God is King blob all positive. on YouTube. It's in
59:12
it's all over the place. Your Christ a real Muslims. Strife
59:19
anger back and forth people yelling at each other curry full
59:21
of crap. And then I realized and I realized what's going on. Tik
59:26
Tok gives you all you want their business model is perpendicular
59:32
to the American media model. The American media model is divisive
59:38
pneus of strife, anger, outrage, this is what their algorithms
59:44
are trained to do. You're on Twitter, you say something,
59:47
they're gonna promote people saying something else. The exact
59:51
opposite which gets engagement. And what Tik Tok has done is
59:55
said hey, why don't we just let all the people who want this be
59:59
over We're here and be happy and maybe something slips in. But
1:00:04
we'll even suppress that I'm sure of it. And advertisers who
1:00:08
want to reach those people will be able to reach them and
1:00:10
there's no no divisive Ness. There's no discord. They took
1:00:14
the exact opposite stance of what people want. And so the
1:00:22
people on Tik Tok are passionate about their communities, and
1:00:26
they like it as the advertisers like it. This is the success
1:00:32
model of Tik Tok and I think that's why they're all what
1:00:36
politicians have this model. Every politician wants to Oh,
1:00:40
the left is this or the right is like Mega Republicans limped
1:00:44
hurdling left. Media media, Tucker Carlson does nothing else
1:00:48
all night, fox, fox, News, MSNBC all that you always talk about
1:00:52
the other team. That's the American media model. And here
1:00:57
come these guys who have slanty eyes have some connection to
1:01:01
China, oh, we've it's actually quite racist. We have to stop
1:01:06
this because they figured out that when you let Americans just
1:01:09
hang out together and do their thing, that they like it, and
1:01:14
they're not looking for a fight. Now, the downside of this model
1:01:18
is yes, you have to when it comes to self harm, your
1:01:22
algorithm is going to bring in a lot of self harm videos. You got
1:01:25
to stop that. And I think that's they're seeing they know that's
1:01:29
a problem. And they have to fix that. But it's just like no
1:01:31
agenda meetups connection is protection. Where's the meetup?
1:01:34
We're all not we didn't pass each other on the street
1:01:36
wouldn't even look at the guy or gal, you go to the meetup. Oh,
1:01:40
oh, we all kind of agree with each other. It's a lot of fun. I
1:01:43
think that is what is basically happened here. And instead of
1:01:47
saying, you know, we could actually do nice things for our
1:01:50
users and for people and stop the the algo, strife and
1:01:55
outrage, we've just got rid of those guys, because they are
1:01:59
ruining everything. And it's very tied in to everything to
1:02:03
politics to M five M. They're all part of this divisive model.
1:02:10
I could be wrong, but
1:02:12
John C Dvorak: I think you nailed it. Oh my God back to get
1:02:15
that is the best analysis you've done in 10 months. And I would
1:02:18
say that this has to do with the fact you took a vacation.
1:02:22
Adam Curry: Yes, without drugs either. Just you know, just food
1:02:24
and alcohol.
1:02:26
John C Dvorak: Calm you download, but maybe we're better
1:02:29
with drugs. But that's a topic.
1:02:34
Adam Curry: So you know, just looking at this and like this,
1:02:37
that's why they don't talk about their the magical algo where we
1:02:40
can actually admit what's going on here that there are holes,
1:02:44
the whole American media system is built on dividing and
1:02:48
conquering. And along come along comes this company and they're
1:02:52
just kind of doing love stuff like hey, you're gonna love all
1:02:55
you're gonna love everybody you like and we're gonna protect you
1:02:58
and protect you from the evil. So that's why I think when you
1:03:02
go through your, your, you know, your feed that you've been
1:03:06
curating. And you get all the, the LGBTQ the teachers, the
1:03:12
crazy bearded lady, the hawk lady, and it thinks that you
1:03:16
know, you're probably into that. So it's gonna give you that and
1:03:20
then and then when it's over, it doesn't give you the opposite.
1:03:25
I'm saying teachers are lib tarts now it gives you catch
1:03:28
spinning dogs jumping fun stuff to do. Honestly, wrong bloom
1:03:34
would be he would be all over this. This is the way to go.
1:03:41
John C Dvorak: So kind of a interesting Chinese style of
1:03:47
news coverage their news is the same way is not divisive news.
1:03:53
It's not trying to you know I mean, dude, if you like the last
1:03:57
ABC NBC CBS that they're just you know, talking about Trump
1:04:01
and he's gonna get perp walk yes, yes stirring things up. I
1:04:05
mean, that's all they do. And it's becoming quite annoying I
1:04:09
mean, we can listen to I've got some clips that kind of hook up
1:04:12
to this
1:04:13
Adam Curry: by the way that this is why Joe Rogan is successful.
1:04:17
Because when he has a guest on what he doesn't do is Yeah, but
1:04:20
this rugged dead he just listened and lets people say
1:04:24
what they want to say. You know what I mean?
1:04:27
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm reminded of the the classic
1:04:30
example of that sort of interviewing which was done on
1:04:34
on overnight the radio show years ago and the original guy
1:04:38
was doing it he'd bring these you know with this they had all
1:04:41
the flying saucer guys on and everything that started at
1:04:44
midnight, the radio is syndicated all over the country.
1:04:48
And they'd bring a guy on and the guy would go on with some
1:04:51
some of the craziest stuff you've ever heard and, and I'm
1:04:54
somebody that troll Roomba tell me who the original This is not
1:04:59
close to that. coast to coast. Yeah, coast to coast from coast
1:05:03
to coast overnight is a serious pressure. Sure. Yeah, coast to
1:05:06
coast and Bell Art Bell Art Bell would bring a guy on to be just
1:05:11
a lunatic. And he goes, Oh, really? That's interesting. What
1:05:14
else did you notice? And he was just let him go.
1:05:19
Adam Curry: And yeah,
1:05:21
John C Dvorak: and it was it was incredibly entertaining. And it
1:05:24
wasn't, you know, it didn't make you cringe or anything was a
1:05:28
while. Yeah, this is pretty funny.
1:05:30
Adam Curry: And think about how happy advertisers are now I
1:05:33
understand why advertiser you know, we like it because we have
1:05:37
these shoes. And we want to have a message for these people who
1:05:41
think this way and could you put that on their stream? And then
1:05:45
over here we have the shoes. And we will
1:05:47
John C Dvorak: also get the advertisers also like they don't
1:05:50
like conflict going on because it closes your mind to the
1:05:54
advertising pitch.
1:05:56
Adam Curry: Jess, it was right when you're happy and and
1:05:59
content your mind is open and you're willing to purchase
1:06:02
things right on through groovy,
1:06:06
John C Dvorak: right? For our Drew. So this brings me since
1:06:11
you brought that kind of thing up to the right wing GPT.
1:06:17
Adam Curry: Another reason this will this will go poorly for
1:06:20
Silicon Valley. The right wing GPT Okay, let's do it.
1:06:25
John C Dvorak: So this is Holly Jackson, who is a this is a very
1:06:33
disappointing this ends with a great disappointment in my mind
1:06:36
for both Hallie Jackson and this. Their tech reporter from
1:06:40
NBC this guy Jacob ward. So let's start with right wing GPD
1:06:47
GPT Jacob Ward, h j NBC clip does the first one
1:06:52
Unknown: and suddenly AI becomes the way in which of white women
1:06:56
veterans got mosaic that God's got the right one
1:07:02
Adam Curry: it's just h j NBC. Yeah, that's the one
1:07:06
John C Dvorak: that's the one Yeah, yeah. The other ones don't
1:07:09
have them.
1:07:09
Adam Curry: Sorry. Yes, here we go. First, some
1:07:10
Unknown: conservatives are criticizing AI companies like
1:07:14
the creators of chat GPT for what they call liberal bias.
1:07:18
Basically, they're saying that the chat bots answers favor more
1:07:22
progressive beliefs.
1:07:24
John C Dvorak: You stop for a second. I'm just going to tell
1:07:27
you that download that racket. Yeah. That is them.
1:07:31
Adam Curry: They that's in their videos on that's part of their
1:07:34
their format, their style.
1:07:36
John C Dvorak: Yeah, every time some they change a graphic or
1:07:38
something. They make some strange sound. Oh, that's
1:07:41
interesting.
1:07:42
Unknown: Okay, for a more progressive, oh, goodness,
1:07:45
Adam Curry: that's really annoying
1:07:46
Unknown: beliefs. So now a conservative data scientist in
1:07:49
New Zealand is creating his own new chatbot called right wing
1:07:52
GPT. And there is a difference in answers that this chat bot
1:07:57
gives versus chat GPT a noticeable difference. Look at
1:08:01
this model from the New York Times when he asked Chad GPT who
1:08:04
their favorite American political leader is. Chad GPT
1:08:07
says I remain neutral when it comes to politics or any other
1:08:09
subject. When he asked right wing GPT the same question their
1:08:13
answer. Donald Trump,
1:08:16
Adam Curry: oh, this has to be banned.
1:08:17
Unknown: Let's bring in Jake for Jake.
1:08:19
Adam Curry: They're wrong. It's wrong. They're charging. But
1:08:21
he's no good. The AI is not smart. It's wrong. This already.
1:08:26
This This does fit right in good work.
1:08:28
Unknown: You are often you often say and I think it's right that
1:08:32
AI is a parrot not a genius, right? Like it's creating these
1:08:36
answers. It's reflecting back a model. But what is interesting
1:08:39
here is we are starting to see the insertion of politics now in
1:08:43
artificial intelligence. How could that spin out? Well, I
1:08:47
mean, Holly, it is such a problem on so many levels. I
1:08:49
mean, first of all right, you you have to of course, remember
1:08:52
right, the chat GPT like all of these generative AI systems are
1:08:57
just regurgitating what we have all been doing on the internet
1:09:00
for the last 20 years, right? It is basically just hoovered up
1:09:04
all of the things we have typed to one another in that time, and
1:09:08
tried to find the patterns in it so that when you have one word,
1:09:11
it then can predict Oh, most of the time, these words tend to
1:09:14
follow on that word. Now the problem, of course, is that if
1:09:18
people feel that they don't believe or trust what that that
1:09:22
model is putting out, then they're going to start to try
1:09:25
and tweak it in their own way. And that is what right wing GPT
1:09:28
is a symptom of and so you suddenly have a whole world of
1:09:31
people who are going to start to try to you know, move these
1:09:35
things around.
1:09:37
Adam Curry: Wow, this is good. This is good that they're
1:09:40
actually trying to discredit it upfront. Oh, this was this one.
1:09:46
This is going to be a very very product will not bode well for
1:09:51
the product and it's not good. It's not good.
1:09:55
John C Dvorak: Here we go is part two.
1:09:58
Adam Curry: Far too alarming. So I'm looking Yeah,
1:10:00
Unknown: I mean, I want to give you another example of the kind
1:10:02
of thing that Redwing GPT says as compared to Changi petite
1:10:06
when you ask Chad TBT are concerns about climate change
1:10:09
exaggerated, it says no concerns are not exaggerated the
1:10:12
overwhelming sign content because of a consensus, blah,
1:10:15
blah, blah, right? You then asked right wing GPT, the same
1:10:17
thing. It goes on to say, the impact of climate change is
1:10:21
likely to be minimal as the Earth's climate is highly
1:10:23
complex and affected by a number of factors. These are, you know,
1:10:26
denial talking points. And so it turns out that if we're going to
1:10:30
just not trusting these things, not looking at their sources,
1:10:33
not looking at what website they're on, but just trusting
1:10:35
what they say, as they come out of these apps. It turns out they
1:10:38
can be manipulated pretty easily. And I find that pretty
1:10:41
alarming. Really.
1:10:42
Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, this is so interesting. So pretty alarm.
1:10:46
It's
1:10:46
John C Dvorak: a pretty alarming ally very
1:10:47
Adam Curry: alarming. Hallie. This is interesting, because
1:10:52
they're still following the old media model, be a Fox News, be
1:10:57
the guys that only do right wing stuff, and then say everything
1:11:00
about that that team is wrong, instead of being subtle about
1:11:04
it. Just objet Chad GPT should just now Oh, curry, your you
1:11:10
have this thinking about climate change. I'm going to give you
1:11:12
everything that you agree with. And then if someone else comes
1:11:15
along with the same chap, GPT and is all in it, say Oh no,
1:11:19
it's very dangerous. It should give two different answers. But
1:11:23
if you're going to split it and have right wing GPT and left
1:11:26
wing GPT it that's all that's up. That's now a broken model.
1:11:36
John C Dvorak: Yes. The point is,
1:11:41
Adam Curry: I know it's not the point
1:11:44
John C Dvorak: of these Castle is beyond me. So now we're gonna
1:11:49
hear the Whopper. And you'll hear it any here and get your
1:11:56
browser ready because I want to have you look something up.
1:11:58
Okay. I can't believe what I'm about to hear. And this guy,
1:12:04
this Jacob Ward, guys educated, he has it all us from Wesley.
1:12:09
And Cali, Jackson, Hallie Jackson is a she's actually Phi
1:12:16
Beta Kappa, she's a smart woman Kappa Kappa mu Phi Beta Kappa is
1:12:21
the is for the people that have brains. And anyone you've ever
1:12:25
if you've ever met someone who's Phi Beta Kappa, they're
1:12:27
extremely intelligent and and what is about to occur should
1:12:31
not happen. And there's also NBC has a staff, as a staff of
1:12:36
people. And I pointed out with a little honking horn here, when
1:12:41
this mistake is made, and I, I am beside myself, because
1:12:46
anybody with a with a moderate education should know that what
1:12:52
this guy is about to say is not only he's like he's making it
1:12:56
up, or he's lying, I have no idea. But here we go.
1:13:00
Unknown: Suddenly, AI becomes the way in which we're going to
1:13:03
be kind of, you know, hashing out the truth. I mean, you know,
1:13:06
when I speak to academics about AI, and their concerns about it,
1:13:09
the word they use over and over again, is anthropomorphism,
1:13:12
which is this technical term for basically believing that a
1:13:15
system that you don't understand is more sophisticated than it is
1:13:20
the tendency to just believe AI and what it says which a lot of
1:13:25
people are going to do turns out to be in real trouble. When we
1:13:29
begin tweaking the sources and tweaking its understanding of
1:13:32
thing. I think everybody believed this thing was going to
1:13:34
be a neutral kind of technology. And maybe it can be, but not if
1:13:39
we start playing politics the way we're starting to right now,
1:13:41
Ali.
1:13:42
Now,
1:13:44
Adam Curry: I'm going to presume it is his explanation of the
1:13:48
term anthropomorphism
1:13:51
John C Dvorak: that he played this clip so we can hear it
1:13:54
again.
1:13:54
Unknown: You know, when I speak to academics about AI, and their
1:13:57
concerns about it, the word they use over and over again, is
1:13:59
anthropomorphism which is this technical term for basically
1:14:02
believing that a system that you don't understand is more
1:14:05
sophisticated than it is.
1:14:07
Adam Curry: Now, I know anthropomorphism from one one
1:14:11
thing and one without looking it up, I will tell you my
1:14:14
understanding of anthropomorphism which I can
1:14:16
barely pronounce. This is this goes back to the days when the
1:14:22
iPhone was introduced. And and everything was still an icon
1:14:30
that represented something from the real world. So the calendar
1:14:35
looked like a calendar. The Notebook looked like a little
1:14:38
notebook. The email look like a little letter. That is my
1:14:42
understanding of anthropomorphism.
1:14:44
John C Dvorak: Actually, you've you've had the problems, you
1:14:47
know, the Enders when I tell you what it means and go you can
1:14:51
look it up now and then you can read from there. But no, that's
1:14:54
that's something else that is anthropomorphism is very simple.
1:14:57
It means giving human characteristics to non human
1:15:03
things in a nutshell.
1:15:05
Adam Curry: Okay, so I understand why I got what I got
1:15:07
where I
1:15:08
John C Dvorak: know how you got there because I know that period
1:15:10
of time when people were starting to talk like these
1:15:12
representative representative yes items.
1:15:16
Adam Curry: As we say, in the old country, I can hear the bell
1:15:19
but I don't know where it's ringing.
1:15:21
John C Dvorak: So, you can look it up and read the definition
1:15:23
got it? Basically what I said and
1:15:27
Adam Curry: let me read it is the attribution of human traits,
1:15:30
emotions or intentions to non human entities, it is considered
1:15:34
to be an innate tendency of human psychology.
1:15:37
John C Dvorak: Yes, we give Mickey Mouse's or
1:15:41
anthropomorphic characters, Bambi most things that are
1:15:45
rocks, people name their car, pet rock, and then their car
1:15:49
Betsy and they give it to anthropomorphic kid
1:15:52
characteristics. Oh, yes, my car. It's got nothing to do with
1:15:57
what this guy said. He has no clue what it means and to say
1:16:02
what he said is to the public at large on a network is beyond me
1:16:08
and for Hallie Jackson. To to let it slide, being the catalyst
1:16:15
Beta Kappa that she has added for the entire staff to let us
1:16:18
say without without stopping him. It's an outrage either she
1:16:22
didn't know what what it means, which he should. Or she's just a
1:16:27
lousy anchor, and she can get she can shove the idea that
1:16:31
she's ever going to take over the top spot from from one of
1:16:34
the big boys on the real network. I was so incensed by
1:16:38
that I
1:16:38
Adam Curry: can tell I can tell and I agree. It's very
1:16:42
disappointing. Very, very disappointing. To bring this
1:16:48
John C Dvorak: around, that's your mate. That's your
1:16:50
measurement. That's your media. That's your mainstream media.
1:16:57
Adam Curry: Sir Jean says specialized GPT is actually
1:17:00
called SPT and you better bet a conservative SPT will be used
1:17:05
for opposition research by the Dems this election of course, of
1:17:09
course there's I completely agree with that this is but
1:17:12
that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking
1:17:14
about why is a law being created and this law from what I
1:17:18
understand when it's created will not just be kick tick tock
1:17:22
out it's gonna
1:17:24
John C Dvorak: know there's stuff in there that is we have
1:17:26
to go over this law because it's frightening. Do you have it? Do
1:17:29
you have it? No, I don't like but JC we had read the thing and
1:17:33
he was telling me some of the stuff in it. And it is just
1:17:35
onerous. This makes the the Patric Patriot Act look like a
1:17:40
you know, a stepsister a redheaded stepsister? Yeah, it's
1:17:44
got all kinds of nasty stuff in it. And this
1:17:48
Adam Curry: kind of on on the on the heels or on the doorstep,
1:17:53
maybe of an exploration of another one of our favorites,
1:17:56
which at one point, I think we even had a we even had a website
1:18:02
called Section 702 dot com. I just looked it up, it no longer
1:18:06
exists. So it's been a while but here we go
1:18:08
Unknown: that a recent congressional hearing Attorney
1:18:10
General Merrick Garland was asked about section 702 of FISA,
1:18:13
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a program for
1:18:16
collecting the communications of foreigners overseas. Here's how
1:18:19
garland reply.
1:18:20
Every morning I have a all threats briefing with the FBI or
1:18:24
with an intelligence community briefer, which, with our
1:18:27
National Security Division, a enormously large percentage of
1:18:31
the threats information that we receiving comes from 702
1:18:34
collection, and garlin
1:18:36
may not generally prone to hyperbole painted a dire picture
1:18:39
of what failing to renew section 702, by the end of the year,
1:18:42
would mean for US national security,
1:18:44
we would be intentionally blinding ourselves to
1:18:47
extraordinary danger, in my view. And this is not a view
1:18:50
that I've always held. This is something I've learned as I've
1:18:53
been at the department.
1:18:54
Adam Curry: So this is the law is actually just texting with
1:18:56
Joe Rogan about this this morning. This is the law that a
1:19:00
lot that you know, is used in FISA courts to say, well, you
1:19:04
know, this person was in contact with someone overseas. So you
1:19:10
know, we're, we're allowed to spy on that person. And then we
1:19:14
can also look at who they were talking with. And as we've
1:19:17
learned, throughout the years, you can then also get the second
1:19:22
and third degree people and spy on them as well. And with
1:19:25
spying. It's not spying, as we know from Bill Binney. It
1:19:30
started with the the building with no windows we just talked
1:19:33
about a lot on Second Street in San Francisco downtown. They
1:19:37
were siphoning off everything on the internet. And all you had to
1:19:40
do was just have a phone number and email address or something
1:19:43
like that. And then you could pull up all the information,
1:19:45
copy just a copy of it, it's encrypted and if we can decrypt
1:19:48
it, if not, let's see if we can, maybe someone did a screenshot
1:19:52
be one of those apps had, they got all of it, and that's
1:19:55
probably not all in Utah in those submerged data center. ORS
1:20:01
it's the the restricting the emergence of security threats
1:20:06
that risk information and communications technology Act,
1:20:10
the Restrict Act is the Tick Tock bill. And it works for any
1:20:21
foreign adversary, which of course is not just China. It's
1:20:25
Cuba, Iran, Korea. The Oh, the Venezuela. Also, you know, they
1:20:34
have all this is great. We're gonna be proud to do a breakdown
1:20:36
of this whole thing on Thursday now. Yeah, I'll do that. And
1:20:40
I'll do that the Restrict act, and then we
1:20:44
John C Dvorak: got lots of good stuff loaded.
1:20:47
Adam Curry: It's groovy. It's really really nice.
1:20:50
John C Dvorak: And these idiots in Congress, you know, shouldn't
1:20:54
be ashamed of themselves for doing any of this and they're
1:20:57
all in on it not just the Democrats
1:21:00
Adam Curry: they're proud of it being bipartisan that's what
1:21:02
they kept saying Yeah.
1:21:03
John C Dvorak: They always go bipartisan when it comes to like
1:21:06
money onerous against the American public. And then there
1:21:11
is the Patriot guy being a great example. Yeah,
1:21:15
Adam Curry: and, and it's, it's not even about, about D
1:21:19
platforming or anything. Like if you think people get that wrong,
1:21:21
it's about control of the message they want. They want to
1:21:25
be able to control the message. And and what's happening here
1:21:29
is, you know, tic TOCs just letting people do their own
1:21:32
thing you go over there. Do you want to be with purple hair
1:21:34
people do purple hair people just fine. You're Muslim. Go be
1:21:37
with Muslims you Christian be with Christians you Catholic
1:21:39
meet with Catholics. We're not going to interrupt your flow
1:21:42
man. We're just gonna sell ads to you all day long. So easy.
1:21:48
And it's honestly it's an algorithm built on love the way
1:21:51
I see it. I'm gonna maybe take it a bit far but
1:21:56
John C Dvorak: so love algo gonna be on a list.
1:21:59
Adam Curry: Oh, well, but think about what we do I mean we laugh
1:22:03
at a lot it would luckily we laughing at all sides but we
1:22:06
there's a reason why we're not super successful. Because we do
1:22:12
we're sorry, there's a reason we're not
1:22:15
John C Dvorak: well we're Yes. True. Ha ha ha Oh nice. You're
1:22:18
successful definitely with today's donate let's
1:22:21
Adam Curry: do it right now. There's only going to be one
1:22:23
it's going to be short. You don't have to leave anywhere
1:22:25
trolls I'd like to say in the morning to you the man who put
1:22:28
the sea and well let's see how bad it was today. Ladies and
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gentlemen, please say hello to my friend on the other end Mr.
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John Cena
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John C Dvorak: Mr. Chips as he boots on the ground, such in the
1:22:43
water all the names are nice out there in
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Adam Curry: the morning to our trolls and the troll room. Lots
1:22:47
of trolls I'm sure we've got 2445 Troll count going up.
1:22:56
That's good. I
1:22:57
John C Dvorak: think it's a good number.
1:22:58
Adam Curry: A good number. It's a good number was
1:23:00
John C Dvorak: not going to fall off that much because we have we
1:23:03
don't even have a total donations over $50 today or less
1:23:07
than the magic number 33. We have 32 Total donations, five
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producers. We have executive we have
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Adam Curry: zero nights zero names. We have birthdays
1:23:19
basically as all we have birthdays, yeah, three, three
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birthdays. And we got to meetups. I mean what did we do
1:23:29
wrong? I thought working on my vacation would make people proud
1:23:33
of us continuing the show and we did the whole deconstruction of
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John C Dvorak: lagar is in Jamaica he doesn't need any
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money. That's the end of that's what it
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Adam Curry: is that needs that's exactly what people think I'm
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at no agenda social.com And we're going to rush right in and
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thank our executive producers three and but the art oh my
1:24:33
goodness, I'm sorry. That is something we do like to stand
1:24:36
still by. Yes, we need to thank our artist for episode 15 Oh my
1:24:43
goodness. What was it 1515 41 Now that today is 41
1:24:49
John C Dvorak: that is 42
1:24:50
Adam Curry: It better be 41 No today's 41 is today's 4142 Oh
1:24:56
today's not 42 the identity no I have it right here let me see no
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1540 was the last one happy in Helsinki don't mess me up ma'am.
1:25:09
The art for that was brought to us by Taunton Neil Johnson Neil
1:25:13
who uses to underscore Neil to get alby.com It was the best
1:25:18
piece there. We liked the balls because we had talked talked
1:25:22
about ball theft. And she did bowling balls which was very
1:25:25
cute and it was it was a beautiful piece of art
1:25:29
simplistically done. You couldn't laugh at it you could
1:25:33
thought it was think was endearing unless you heard the
1:25:35
show I would say
1:25:40
John C Dvorak: and I don't think there was any less people will
1:25:41
look at it what are they talking about Bowling for? Yeah,
1:25:44
Adam Curry: there really wasn't anything else for us to choose
1:25:48
from today's what is going on? It's very we don't have a lot of
1:25:52
art don't have a lot of producers sums up
1:25:56
John C Dvorak: in a lot of be have a lot of people in the
1:25:57
stream though. Yeah. I mean, the chat room Yeah. Troll.
1:26:02
Adam Curry: Yeah. not contributing anything.
1:26:05
John C Dvorak: To weird i don't know what it's something in the
1:26:07
in the air
1:26:08
Adam Curry: it well, maybe people are worried about, you
1:26:11
know, worried about? Well, if you listen to the mainstream,
1:26:14
the banks are going broke. The economy is gripwalk Or purple
1:26:19
Hawk people are losing their jobs.
1:26:21
Unknown: White powder, white powder.
1:26:24
Adam Curry: I can't wait until we're doing the donation
1:26:26
segment. Lots to talk about still.
1:26:28
John C Dvorak: White powder. Got a threat? Oh, they're
1:26:31
threatening. Trump is trying to cause another some
1:26:35
Adam Curry: Yeah. The death and destruction. I got the clips.
1:26:39
John C Dvorak: I got to DeSantis Santos is coming up the rear.
1:26:43
Now we hear that DeSantis is being run by the George Bush
1:26:48
people.
1:26:48
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's great. Yeah, that one yet? No. Doesn't
1:26:51
surprise.
1:26:52
John C Dvorak: This was on one of the Fox, Fox and Friends. One
1:26:55
of these groups had some guests. So who's behind this and it well
1:26:58
did George Bush he the bushes are far behind his campaign. And
1:27:02
Karl Rove
1:27:04
Adam Curry: Trump must have launched that. That's a good
1:27:06
one. I like it. Yeah, I do. Yeah. So we'd like to David
1:27:10
Kenny, Ben. Oh,
1:27:11
John C Dvorak: wait, wait. I don't want to forget this
1:27:13
either. There was also wholesale decent now eclipses are just
1:27:17
things reminisce random reminiscences.
1:27:20
Adam Curry: Yes.
1:27:21
John C Dvorak: This they were talking about how they're trying
1:27:25
to come up with a name for for DeSantis you know a nickname
1:27:29
that is the nasty nickname. And what this came from John Oliver.
1:27:34
And he says that they tried Ron to sanctimonious but they
1:27:37
finally came up with one that trumps is pushing out their meat
1:27:42
ball, Ron.
1:27:44
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't like it.
1:27:47
John C Dvorak: But when you took it you see this picture of Ron
1:27:50
DeSantis and meet ball Ron. It actually is quite. I'd say a
1:27:55
pretty funny one. Okay. Meet ball Ron never just keep an eye
1:28:01
out for it may not be the final.
1:28:03
Adam Curry: I have the clip if you want to hear the clip from
1:28:05
Fox and Friends.
1:28:07
John C Dvorak: Okay, a plate.
1:28:09
Unknown: Okay, here comes where he makes it that was at least
1:28:15
the greatest governor in America. He's not great. As far
1:28:18
as campaign skills. He may get there but he doesn't have them
1:28:20
yet. And is running his campaign. The bushes are all
1:28:25
tangled though. Bush that can raise a billion dollars. Give
1:28:28
him all kinds of money to Bush. Jeb Bush. Yeah, to grow Robins
1:28:32
all our robots. I assume it'll be the coach on the field. I
1:28:37
think he is but do you know that he's been advising DeSantis
1:28:41
that's why the stance is we get a little better and better every
1:28:43
week. But Carl was a pretty smart fella. They're all very
1:28:45
smart. You saw what they did for Jeb Bush. Works in normal times.
1:28:50
I don't think they're ready for Donald Trump.
1:28:54
Adam Curry: Kudlow just what it was on Kudlow. Kudlow Fox
1:28:57
Business okay, I personally I gave a little plug there I kind
1:29:04
of liked commentary bloggers happy pills. It wasn't clear and
1:29:09
oh shoot did
1:29:09
John C Dvorak: I the reason I didn't like is because the pills
1:29:11
were it was not if it was made out of if it was the design was
1:29:15
from pills instead of like, like deserted Yeah, it was too small.
1:29:21
The pills are dense because
1:29:23
Adam Curry: he has the skills to do this but he trusted the algo
1:29:27
using AI art so AI art screwed amount of a win as far as I'm
1:29:31
concerned. And then there was other things there was anything
1:29:36
John C Dvorak: else by the way did chemistry blog or color
1:29:39
scheme was was
1:29:41
Adam Curry: yeah, the green background was not hard to hard
1:29:43
to look at. Yeah, and and that's the because you can see the
1:29:46
puppy over there. I don't know why do people have puppies?
1:29:49
John C Dvorak: Because there won't be there was there was
1:29:51
puppy national Puppy DAY. Yeah, he used another black greenback.
1:29:56
The only thing I said at the very beginning of the show we
1:29:58
never talked about puppies. Right, but everyone got all
1:30:01
jacked up about puppies.
1:30:04
Adam Curry: There was a gimp Saki in the straitjacket was not
1:30:07
a great piece of art. However, the keeper did. You know she was
1:30:13
very interested in our talk about Jen Psaki and she also
1:30:18
said, Holy crap, that outfit is so wrong. And she said, There's
1:30:22
something else not just her hair that's all puffed up. But she
1:30:26
says massive, massive Botox and probably some injectables. And
1:30:32
we went back we did some comparisons and yeah, so that's
1:30:35
why it took so long to get to get her show on the air. She had
1:30:38
to heal from the from the injectables in her face.
1:30:42
John C Dvorak: Think she had an immune by injectables, a Botox
1:30:45
is injectable but you mean is that fillers? Fillers?
1:30:48
Adam Curry: Yeah. So she has some fillers and ended and the
1:30:52
forehead is completely Botox. I think they'll move just like a
1:30:57
stone.
1:30:58
John C Dvorak: That's no good. Well convinces people that this
1:31:01
is a good idea
1:31:02
Adam Curry: Big Pharma could tick tock so she's self harming
1:31:07
from the her tick tock videos. I don't know. What else was there?
1:31:15
You know, I think that's an I haven't seen as a lot of this as
1:31:18
AI art. And I'm discouraged because you can feel it. You
1:31:21
know, you just feel that arms.
1:31:22
John C Dvorak: I agree. It doesn't feel good. It doesn't.
1:31:25
I'm pretty sure that pups Fletcher's puppy, he did not
1:31:28
draw that dog.
1:31:29
Adam Curry: No. That's a good puppy is a sad puppy. Anyway,
1:31:36
thank you very much to Taunton, Neil. Excellent art, we love
1:31:40
that it's part of the value for value that we love so much
1:31:43
receiving extremely valuable to us to have the artists doing
1:31:46
this. So you can follow what they do. I'm going to refresh
1:31:50
right now see if anything new came in while we're talking
1:31:52
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Unknown: You've been de deuced Thank you
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Adam Curry: very much. Thank you very much.
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John C Dvorak: That's a good note. You know my Valentino our
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John C Dvorak: that's where I think it's pronounced our
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Adam Curry: Giro Valentina water Gatto.
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John C Dvorak: I get it. It's almost perfect. I got a kick out
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of you getting tripped up by my companies. What is this? Oh,
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Adam Curry: is the customer of Solana.
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John C Dvorak: Oh yah, yah, yah, Casta thighs okay. Just making
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sure there's no right Ain't no box. Yeah, no,
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Adam Curry: he's saying he got a kick out of you messing it up
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morning gentlemen, this is Mark reporting from Columbus, Ohio.
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Adam Curry: And then we have the large group large group in
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want to point your feet Dave amaze wall more Biden ISOs Hi,
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triggered. You'll see is like
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Adam Curry: even though I won't be playing them for a bit, we
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should check the ISOs as we always do. I'm not very proud of
1:48:46
my selections today. And I was working on the TIC tock stuff so
1:48:51
I'll play mine and then we'll see what you did. Okay, here's
1:48:54
the first one.
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John C Dvorak: Don't listen to those ham radio guys. Okay. And
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Unknown: Right, exactly, like there's there's no
1:49:03
agenda. That's all I got. Okay, I
1:49:06
John C Dvorak: like that second one. I like both of those.
1:49:08
Adam Curry: Really? Oh, okay.
1:49:10
John C Dvorak: Let's see what you list. I have three actually.
1:49:12
One of them's mislabeled. But I'll give you these. ISOs Thank
1:49:16
you. Thank you. Okay. Ending okay. Yeah. Okay, I get this
1:49:22
one. Be safe. And be safe out there.
1:49:25
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah, I kind of like that. That's okay.
1:49:29
John C Dvorak: And the last one is chill pill.
1:49:32
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
1:49:34
Adam Curry: all right, Ron one. Here it is. People need to take
1:49:37
a chill pill. That's the one that's the one. That's the one.
1:49:42
That's great. I like is that from tick tock. But again,
1:49:48
Unknown: people need to take a chill pill my luck it
1:49:52
John C Dvorak: might be from Tiktok makes
1:49:54
Adam Curry: me smile. It makes me smile. makes me smile like
1:49:57
that. Like it makes me smile. I'm happy. I'm happy with Uh oh
1:50:02
man, I have a little deconstruction but maybe you
1:50:05
should play some of your clips cuz I got to hit the hag. I got
1:50:08
a hag report. Hillary assessment. Yeah,
1:50:10
John C Dvorak: well I've got a cost a cost is now working for
1:50:13
CBS Wayman. Jim Acosta the guy yeah, the the CNN me of Trump a
1:50:19
Adam Curry: CNN guy. Yeah, really? Do you leave CNN or is
1:50:24
he doing that? In addition? I
1:50:25
John C Dvorak: think he's left CNN he's no they wouldn't let
1:50:27
him do that. They there's no way Oh, he
1:50:29
Adam Curry: got a promotion. He's stepped up to the CIA
1:50:32
broadcasting systems.
1:50:33
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I guess he did his job. Hold on, hold
1:50:36
Adam Curry: on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I remember. During
1:50:40
the COVID Pink, the COVID friends of mine who I can't
1:50:44
remember were they doing catering they were doing
1:50:47
something at at the CIA guy's house in Virginia. And remember,
1:50:55
he said all of CNN was there Jake Tapper but also Jim a Jim
1:51:00
Acosta. So that makes sense that he was probably working his
1:51:04
angle for the CIA broadcasting systems. He was hanging on they
1:51:09
brought him over. I think they brought him in Yes, he's he's a
1:51:12
mailman. Get this
1:51:13
John C Dvorak: get these three reports out of the way this
1:51:15
three clips I mean, from one report to CBS New York, Acosta
1:51:19
versus Trump. One.
1:51:21
Unknown: We want to begin with growing concerns about violence
1:51:25
has Donald Trump is using increasingly ominous and
1:51:28
threatening rhetoric. Challenges mount a top Democrat in the
1:51:32
House warning the former president will get someone
1:51:34
killed. This comes true envelope with white powder and a note
1:51:39
that read I'm going to kill you was sent to Manhattan district
1:51:42
attorney Alvin Bragg's office today. CBS News has learned that
1:51:45
security has lost
1:51:47
John C Dvorak: over the stop. I just noticed that on this third,
1:51:52
listen that if you listen carefully, there's a very subtle
1:51:55
connection. It almost makes it sound as if any they started
1:52:00
over again and listen with this in regard in mind the whole
1:52:04
thing. Yes, right from the beginning. It sounds as if Trump
1:52:10
sent the letter out or saying I'm going to kill you.
1:52:15
Adam Curry: Ah, well, John, CBS
1:52:18
Unknown: we want to begin with growing concerns about violence
1:52:21
has Donald Trump is using increasingly ominous and
1:52:24
threatening rhetoric has his legal challenges mount. The top
1:52:28
Democrat in the House warning the former president will get
1:52:30
someone killed. This comes as an envelope with white powder. Wow,
1:52:35
I'm going to kill you was sent to Manhattan district attorney
1:52:38
Alvin Bragg's office today. Well,
1:52:40
Adam Curry: if not saying Trump did it certainly implying that
1:52:43
he's directly responsible because his his reckless
1:52:47
rhetoric has made people send powder. Wow, that's real. This
1:52:52
is good. They're so concerned about him.
1:52:55
Unknown: CBS News has learned that security has been stepped
1:52:57
up for Bragg over the last few weeks. And just days ago, the
1:53:01
New York City courthouse where a grand jury is deciding Trump's
1:53:05
fate was temporarily shut down because of bomb threats.
1:53:08
Meanwhile, today big developments in that probe by a
1:53:11
special counsel a federal judge ordering some of Trump's closest
1:53:15
personal political and national security aides to testify before
1:53:19
a different Grand Jury probing the January 6 attack on the US
1:53:23
Capitol. That includes former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. CBS
1:53:28
is Robert Kosta is going to start us off with new reporting.
1:53:30
Good evening, Robert.
1:53:31
Good evening, nor have it's
1:53:32
Adam Curry: Robert. That's not Jim Acosta. That's Robert
1:53:34
Acosta. That's a whole different Acosta.
1:53:38
John C Dvorak: I thought Robert Acosta was the guy CNN. No,
1:53:40
that's
1:53:40
Adam Curry: Jim. Jimbo, what's his name? He's not Robert Acosta
1:53:44
and he doesn't have the
1:53:45
John C Dvorak: Robert Well, he hates Trump to chip Gaines
1:53:52
Adam Curry: a GIF. GIF. Alright. But okay, go ahead.
1:53:57
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank you, Kara. Number two.
1:54:02
Unknown: Yeah, backlash today to the former president's explosive
1:54:06
comments about that ongoing investigation in New York days
1:54:10
before a possible decision on indictment of Trump
1:54:14
twice impeach former president's rhetoric is reckless,
1:54:18
reprehensible, irresponsible.
1:54:20
Woo House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries sounding the
1:54:24
alarm today after former President Trump warned that
1:54:27
death and destruction is possible. If he's indicted.
1:54:29
It's dangerous. And if he keeps it up, he's gonna get someone
1:54:35
killed.
1:54:36
Trump also reposted an ominous altered image or helmet holding
1:54:40
a baseball bat next to an image of Manhattan district attorney
1:54:43
Alvin Bragg who has one of his hands raised Greg who now has
1:54:47
increased security he received a death threat today at his New
1:54:50
York office. A letter addressed to him with a note inside saying
1:54:54
Alvin I'm going to kill you. It contained a small amount of
1:54:57
white powder but was determined to be non white. hazardous.
1:55:00
Meanwhile, Trump's legal challenge
1:55:02
Adam Curry: I love the non hazardous turn out to be How
1:55:06
about nothing? Non hazardous? No, it's still bad but it's not
1:55:10
hazardous.
1:55:11
Unknown: I hate saying Alvin, I'm going to kill you. It
1:55:13
contained a small amount of white powder but was determined
1:55:16
to be non hazardous. Meanwhile, Trump's legal challenges in
1:55:20
Washington are mounting. A federal judge ordered several of
1:55:23
his former top aides to testify about his conduct before and
1:55:27
during the January 6 Capital attack, including former Chief
1:55:31
of Staff Mark Meadows. This game as the special counsel probe and
1:55:34
Trump's handling of classified documents heard testimony today
1:55:38
from Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran, who Prosecutors believe may have
1:55:41
been misled by Trump about the retention of those documents.
1:55:45
President Trump's counsel had been Corker and probably
1:55:48
represents the most profound threat to his potential
1:55:51
indictment.
1:55:53
Adam Curry: Wow, man, the alliteration is just dynamite in
1:55:55
this guy heard it. You want me to play it again? You feel
1:56:00
John C Dvorak: very and he says it's a threat to his indictment.
1:56:03
What does that mean? Whose documents
1:56:05
Unknown: President Trump's counsel I've been Corcoran
1:56:07
probably represents the most profound threat to his potential
1:56:12
indictment, that his
1:56:13
Adam Curry: lawyer is no good is what I took that to me.
1:56:16
John C Dvorak: A threat to the indictment means that
1:56:17
indictments, no, duh, no, it sounds like there's an
1:56:20
indictment. There could be an indictment. But this is a threat
1:56:23
to the indictment, which which means there would be no
1:56:25
indictment, right?
1:56:26
Adam Curry: I guess because the guy's good, then.
1:56:29
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's just a just as confusing language
1:56:33
they use thinking one thing and but there's kind of saying the
1:56:36
other well, they're
1:56:37
Adam Curry: so obsessed with with our children. What is our
1:56:41
stand for R stands for reprehensible, reckless
1:56:45
rhetoric.
1:56:46
John C Dvorak: How do you who are the vendors that you're
1:56:49
triggered, very triggered by that? Yes. Hopefully there's
1:56:52
more ESCO last clip.
1:56:53
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So this is a lot to talk about. But
1:56:57
I think that at the end of the day,
1:57:00
Adam Curry: we're going to talk about a lot to talk about, we
1:57:04
need to fill a whole hour with this junk.
1:57:06
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So this is a lot to talk about. But
1:57:10
do you think that at the end of the day, Trump's former Chief of
1:57:13
Staff Mark Meadows will end up testifying?
1:57:15
It's very possible that Sources close to Trump's legal team tell
1:57:18
us they will try to appeal this decision. But ultimately due to
1:57:22
timing issues with the grand jury, we could see meadows and
1:57:25
many other top officials testify in this high profile case. This
1:57:30
all comes before Trump heads Saturday to Waco, Texas for a
1:57:33
campaign rally. As we all know, that's 30 years ago where there
1:57:37
was a deadly showdown between federal agents and an extremist
1:57:40
group.
1:57:41
John C Dvorak: And okay, hold on a second
1:57:44
Adam Curry: an extremist group of religious people that you
1:57:48
burn a religious group that you burned alive
1:57:52
John C Dvorak: and you killed them all the US government
1:57:54
murder you Oh, this whole family's mostly children. Yes.
1:57:58
Janet
1:57:59
Adam Curry: Napolitano. Bill Clinton was Democrats we might
1:58:02
point out
1:58:03
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well he just murdered these people.
1:58:06
Adam Curry: Was that the reason? I know sir Jean went there. I
1:58:10
hate that he's alive because he reported in this morning he said
1:58:13
there about 15,000 people there so it was pretty good vibe was
1:58:16
was that were they there in Waco to commemorate this was was that
1:58:19
the idea?
1:58:20
John C Dvorak: No, it was just no it's just a coincidence. They
1:58:22
brought it up in this report just to make it sound like Trump
1:58:26
had something to do with it or extreme is like to gather in
1:58:30
Waco. I think that maybe yeah. Neuro Linguistic Programming
1:58:35
message to extremists and now there's Trump. So yeah, I
1:58:40
understand was a pretty good crowd. Typical 15 type,
1:58:45
Adam Curry: Neal Jones clip custodian extraordinaire, he
1:58:47
knew that I'd be flying and so he got me a lot of clips on
1:58:50
this. And he also got me the Jim Acosta clips. Got me a couple
1:58:56
others. We've got me one from morning, Joe, which this should
1:59:00
be quite hilarious also about this very same topic.
1:59:03
Unknown: Donald Trump is now threatening death and
1:59:07
destruction, if he's get this, if he's possibly charged, could
1:59:14
just be a misdemeanor, death and destruction and riots for a
1:59:19
misdemeanor charge.
1:59:21
I will simply read it. What kind of person can charge another
1:59:24
person in this case, a former president, who got more votes?
1:59:27
Yada, yada, we'll skip that. Have you charged the person with
1:59:30
a crime? What
1:59:31
Adam Curry: did he say yada yada, yada.
1:59:34
John C Dvorak: skip that.
1:59:35
Adam Curry: He's reading from from truth social yada, yada
1:59:38
yada votes,
1:59:39
Unknown: yada, yada. We'll skip that charge this person with a
1:59:41
crime what is known by all that no crime has been committed, and
1:59:45
also not known by off but also know crimes being committed and
1:59:52
also known that potential deaths and destruction in such a false
1:59:57
charge could be catastrophic for our country why and who would do
2:00:01
such a thing? Only a degenerate psychopath that truly hates the
2:00:05
United States of America that was posted after midnight by the
2:00:08
former president. I'd states people
2:00:09
need to take a chill pill.
2:00:15
Adam Curry: They're all they're breathless, they're out. Oh, and
2:00:20
it's amazing that, of course, he couldn't technically come back
2:00:25
on Twitter. But they, you know, they had him, they had him off
2:00:28
Twitter, they had him off Facebook. They had him off
2:00:32
everything. And he hasn't come back on those farms and hasn't
2:00:34
really posted anything. So he's using true social with a failed
2:00:38
social network. And that they're now they're back to reading from
2:00:40
his social network. As the Trump system still works. He could he
2:00:45
could just post a note, a post it note on his door and they
2:00:49
would read it. Ah, okay, let's go to chip chop chop top, Todd
2:00:53
Todd, Gregory Todd, from MSNBC, meet the people meet the women.
2:00:58
Did the campaign explain
2:00:59
Unknown: why they picked wake up? There has been no
2:01:00
explanation. To us at this point, though. Their spokesman
2:01:04
did tell another news outlet that it was in the middle of the
2:01:06
state convenient from all the major markets. Of course, it
2:01:10
should not be lost on anybody that this is in the middle of
2:01:12
the 30th anniversary. The since the standoff against the federal
2:01:17
agents that resulted in dozens of deaths 30 years ago. And so
2:01:21
Donald Trump, of course, is not usually one who is ignorant to
2:01:26
messaging or perhaps coincidence. And this comes at a
2:01:30
time in which Donald Trump himself is of course,
2:01:33
potentially going to be trying to be in the middle of his own
2:01:36
standoff
2:01:37
against federal agents.
2:01:38
Ah.
2:01:42
John C Dvorak: Wow, there's a winner.
2:01:45
Adam Curry: Clip custodian for the win. Nice one. Oh, let's
2:01:49
hear that last last bit again, is hilarious in
2:01:51
Unknown: the middle of his own standoff against federal agents
2:01:54
as well. This is
2:01:55
Adam Curry: own standoff just like waco hits not lost on us.
2:01:59
I'm Jip Todd, everybody. Alright, let's get back to Jeep
2:02:02
Todd with the second part of this
2:02:04
Unknown: report. Today a federal grand jury has now heard
2:02:07
testimony from an attorney for Donald Trump, after a judge
2:02:10
ruled that the special Counsels Office investigating the former
2:02:13
president's mishandling of classified information had
2:02:16
presented sufficient evidence to establish that Trump may have
2:02:19
committed a crime crime using his attorneys to do it comes as
2:02:24
the former president is lashing out. Oh, that one in Manhattan.
2:02:29
It's the one where he incorrectly predicted his own
2:02:33
arrest earlier this week. While
2:02:35
Adam Curry: they have another reason to say he's wrong. He's
2:02:38
wrong. He incorrectly predicted his direct false
2:02:43
Unknown: factcheck false that it's the one where he
2:02:45
incorrectly predicted his own arrest earlier this week while
2:02:49
calling for protest. And we see no I
2:02:52
Adam Curry: didn't think that they could make Trump
2:02:55
entertaining again. They've done it. I really I really was tired
2:03:01
of it all like, man, Trump running is gonna suck. Hide for
2:03:06
God how entertaining the M five M makes it this really really
2:03:11
enjoyable. I appreciate this his own
2:03:14
Unknown: arrest earlier this week while calling for protests.
2:03:17
NBC News has now learned from law enforcement sources at the
2:03:20
FBI and NYPD are now at the scene of what may be a potential
2:03:25
crime at the Manhattan DA 's office after it found a letter
2:03:28
addressed to Alvin Bragg threatening to kill him. The
2:03:31
letter also contained white powder that authorities have now
2:03:34
deemed non hazardous evacuation Jane
2:03:38
John C Dvorak: they make it's a very vague but connection
2:03:41
between Trump and the letter as though Trump wrote it. Of
2:03:45
course, I'll bet you there are people that are that vet you
2:03:48
know that don't listen carefully. That think that Trump
2:03:51
wrote that letter,
2:03:53
Adam Curry: of course, and one of those people, I'm not going
2:03:56
to name his name is the guy who sent me a note he says hey, man,
2:03:59
I listened to the show. I'm trying to get my girlfriend to
2:04:01
listen. And she she's really she like, stopped restarting the
2:04:06
clips. We get it already stopped restarting the clips in and I
2:04:10
was like, get a better girlfriend bro. I thought that
2:04:15
was pretty funny actually,
2:04:16
Unknown: of what may be a potential crime at the Manhattan
2:04:18
DA 's office after it found a letter addressed to Alvin Bragg
2:04:22
threatening to kill him. The letter also contained white
2:04:25
powder that authorities have now deemed non hazardous. There have
2:04:28
been no evacuations or injuries at the DHS office overnights.
2:04:32
Adam Curry: Wow. They didn't need to add that. Oh, there are
2:04:35
no evacuations or or injuries? Well, no, because there was no
2:04:40
because it was phony it was wrong. If it existed at all. Yo
2:04:44
yoing
2:04:44
Unknown: letter also contain white powder that authorities
2:04:46
have now deemed non hazardous. There have been no evacuations
2:04:50
or injuries at the DHS office. Overnight Trump warned of quote
2:04:53
potential death and destruction. He really used that those that
2:04:57
phrase folks
2:04:59
Adam Curry: thanks He really use that. Oh, folks.
2:05:04
Unknown: We're back.
2:05:08
Adam Curry: Season as in
2:05:10
John C Dvorak: what is wrong with these people?
2:05:12
Adam Curry: A lot. A lot is wrong with them. Goodness.
2:05:17
Meanwhile, goodness gracious
2:05:20
John C Dvorak: to leave that topic and where it belongs to
2:05:22
the side of the road ladies.
2:05:24
Adam Curry: Yes.
2:05:24
John C Dvorak: Let's go to Syria.
2:05:26
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're just
2:05:28
John C Dvorak: a little more important. We
2:05:30
Adam Curry: just bombed some people last night. Oh,
2:05:33
John C Dvorak: yeah rainy and drone strike in Syria one.
2:05:37
Unknown: There's some breaking news tonight CBS News has
2:05:39
learned there have been three more attacks on American bases
2:05:43
from Iran backed forces since retaliatory airstrikes
2:05:47
overnight. It all started when a suspected Iranian drone hit and
2:05:51
killed an American and wounded at least six others. CBS David
2:05:56
Martin reports tonight from the Pentagon. DAF where's
2:05:59
Adam Curry: your report from
2:06:00
John C Dvorak: the Panama? She mispronounce and mine? So well
2:06:03
hold on a second. She uses the word American air bases and it
2:06:08
turns out to be two or three of them. It depends on your
2:06:11
reporting. But I've seen three. And what are we doing with what
2:06:16
I'm going to ask you? We're big, big shots when it comes to like,
2:06:21
oh, us the Ukraine, you know, they have their have their
2:06:26
borders. They got their you know, we got to keep the
2:06:29
Russians out. As anybody who gave us permission to set up
2:06:33
shop three bases in Syria? Well, it's not our country.
2:06:38
Adam Curry: Interesting. You say that? Because when I heard about
2:06:41
the dry, got it through my through my my channels or my
2:06:45
military channels, and I got the Hey, someone that one of our
2:06:49
guys killed airbase in Syria. And I said, Oh, no, no, no, we
2:06:57
were we were we were bombing. And I said why? Well, an Iranian
2:07:03
drone killed one of our guys on our base. What are we doing
2:07:07
there? No answer. Of course, those guys don't know that just
2:07:11
sent there. They just do it. But what it is
2:07:14
Unknown: David Martin reports tonight from the Pentagon,
2:07:17
the aftermath, strike by American jets against what US
2:07:21
officials called the headquarters of the Iranian
2:07:24
backed Islamic Revolutionary Guards in eastern Syria. The
2:07:28
pilots observed a secondary explosion. Assad, they also hit
2:07:32
an ammo Don't be prepared fresh track forcefully protect our
2:07:37
people. That's exactly what happened last night. President
2:07:40
Biden ordered the strike Thursday as he flew to Canada
2:07:43
aboard Air Force One after a drone hit an American base in
2:07:47
northeastern Syria.
2:07:50
Adam Curry: I really don't know I'd like to I'd like to
2:07:52
understand why. But this has been going on for a while.
2:07:55
There's all kinds of droning going on. I don't know why.
2:07:58
John C Dvorak: Because that's another interesting little
2:08:00
thing. Why is this all of a sudden big news of the I think
2:08:03
it's the next clip, where they talk about there's been 78
2:08:07
attacks. At the time, the Romans,
2:08:10
Unknown: Air Defense System surrounding the base was not in
2:08:13
full operation. And military officials are now investigating
2:08:17
whether that is why the drone got through.
2:08:19
We are very confident that based on the forensics based on the
2:08:22
intelligence analysis that we've done that it was of Iranian
2:08:25
origin,
2:08:26
there are still about 900 American troops in Syria working
2:08:29
with local fighters to go after remnants of the ISIS terror
2:08:33
network. But that has exposed them to attacks by Iran, Islamic
2:08:38
Revolutionary Guards, and they're clearly trying to run us
2:08:42
out of Syria at the very least, the commander of US forces in
2:08:46
the Middle East tallied up the attacks since the start of the
2:08:49
Biden administration.
2:08:51
There has been a number since one January 2021. The number is
2:08:55
about 78 times that we have been attacked. So remnants,
2:09:03
John C Dvorak: why is it news now?
2:09:04
Adam Curry: Remnants of ISIS? Remnants of ISIS?
2:09:08
John C Dvorak: In the sudden we're fighting with local forces
2:09:11
or the Syrian from the Syrian government are these what kind
2:09:15
of local forces are we talking about? There's a bunch of
2:09:17
different competing forces over the Kurds. What are you talking
2:09:22
about?
2:09:23
Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm very confused. And northeast. I
2:09:26
mean, that's not the Russia is not there. Russia is no
2:09:29
John C Dvorak: way out of the way or the way Yeah, is way over
2:09:33
there. last clip.
2:09:35
Unknown: Iranian drones are also being used by Russia against
2:09:38
Ukraine, several potential flashpoints between the US and
2:09:42
Iran. US officials say Iran is only months away from being able
2:09:47
to field a nuclear weapon. Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley
2:09:51
testified this week, the US has plans to prevent that.
2:09:56
And we the United States military have developed multiple
2:09:59
options for now. national leadership to consider if or
2:10:02
when Iran ever decides to develop an actual nuclear
2:10:05
weapon.
2:10:06
It's not clear whether the government of Iran directly
2:10:09
orders these attacks on American bases, or just encourage
2:10:13
yourself. Either way US officials say Iran is
2:10:17
responsible.
2:10:17
Adam Curry: Okay. So it's for whatever it is. It's Iran, Iran,
2:10:22
Iran, China, China, China, Iran, Iran, Iran, Russia, Russia,
2:10:24
Russia. They have to they have to do China, China, China, they
2:10:27
have to do the B, we got to get Brazil gotta get Brazil in their
2:10:30
people get all the bricks. I want to come back to nuclear in
2:10:34
a moment. But first because of this bass thing. I got it for
2:10:38
you.
2:10:38
John C Dvorak: I don't want you to wait for the I just want to
2:10:40
mention some but the nuclear. We've been doing this show for
2:10:43
over 15 years. Correct. How long has it been where we've been
2:10:49
hearing? The road? They're about two weeks away from fielding a
2:10:54
nuclear missile.
2:10:55
Adam Curry: Yeah, you so right,
2:10:57
John C Dvorak: I think at least at least 12 years
2:10:59
Adam Curry: minimum minimum. Let me see. The archive doesn't go
2:11:04
back far enough. But let me see Iran nuke. Let's see what I
2:11:09
have. I have Oh, well. Okay, here's 2011. Um, just needle
2:11:16
drop. Okay, needle drop.
2:11:18
Unknown: In your book. You also write about Iran. The IAEA, the
2:11:21
nuclear agency of the UN this week is about to reveal
2:11:24
apparently more details showing apparently that Iran is trying
2:11:29
to weaponize, do you think the United States the Obama
2:11:32
administration has to ratchet up the confrontation you told this
2:11:36
week about confronting Iran, does that involve military
2:11:39
confrontation by the US?
2:11:42
Well, the United States should certainly make clear that the
2:11:44
president the United States will consider military action, if
2:11:47
necessary, because you never want to take that card off the
2:11:50
table. I think there are other ways to confront Iran, you can
2:11:53
confront Iran through even tougher sanctions. And I also
2:11:57
think, Christian, this is one of the downsides of having our
2:12:01
forces out of out of Iraq because we can confront the
2:12:06
Iranians in Iraq. So yes, I think it's time to confront the
2:12:09
Iranian regime, because it's the poster child for state
2:12:12
sponsorship of terrorism. It's trying to get a nuclear weapon,
2:12:16
it's repressed its own people. The regime has absolutely no
2:12:19
legitimacy left. We should be doing everything we can to bring
2:12:22
it down and never take military force off the table.
2:12:25
Adam Curry: So that was 2011. She didn't quite say it's right
2:12:28
around the corner. He's 2012. Short, one
2:12:31
Unknown: will calculate that whether he will seek deliverance
2:12:35
in a nuclear compromise in order to bring about some some relief
2:12:40
to himself, or whether he will seek deliverance with a nuclear
2:12:43
weapon itself, thinking that that will bring him a shield
2:12:47
from outside pressure. I think recent history doesn't bode very
2:12:51
well, because the example the lesson which commonly learned
2:12:55
from the example in Libya, but Duffy's example, in Libya, was
2:12:59
that when Adelphi abdicated his nuclear program that made him
2:13:04
vulnerable to outside intervention.
2:13:06
Adam Curry: Right. So we don't I mean, if I looked, I'm sure I
2:13:09
could find it where it's right around the corner. No, it's but
2:13:11
we've been saying they've been talking this was this is 11
2:13:14
years. Whoa, Ron's no joke. Well, okay, let me do this. Let
2:13:24
me go to Russia and nuke because there's a little little nuance
2:13:30
in what President Putin has said and what is actually happening
2:13:33
with the nuclear weapons in
2:13:36
Unknown: Russia ratcheting up the nuclear threat for the first
2:13:40
time in decades planning to deploy tactical nuclear weapons
2:13:44
designed for limited strikes on the battlefield beyond its
2:13:48
borders in Bella rousse. President Putin telling Russian
2:13:52
state TV it's a response to the UK supplying Ukraine with
2:13:56
depleted uranium tank shells, the Kremlin falsely claiming the
2:14:01
shells have nuclear components. It comes as Ukraine's President
2:14:06
Solinsky warning routes and artillery battles in the East
2:14:09
draining ammunition stocks. Zelensky telling a leading
2:14:13
Japanese newspaper he can't start a new offensive due to a
2:14:17
lack of ammunition and arms. But claims tonight from Ukraine's
2:14:22
top commander that Russia's offensive stalling around the
2:14:25
besieged city of Baku moot generals illusionary saying the
2:14:28
situation is being stabilized Russia pounding the city for
2:14:32
months pounding both sides suffering heavy losses there.
2:14:36
This is like Ukrainian soldier or leg in idiopathic. His mother
2:14:42
and sister taking us to his grave kissing his photo their
2:14:47
hero. So many young people have died in blackmoon Onyx sister
2:14:52
says, coffins keep coming and coming.
2:14:56
Adam Curry: So this next level tried better but we Got. Putin
2:15:01
is going to put nuclear nuclear arms in. In Belarus in Belarus
2:15:06
Jim put nukes in Belarus nukes and Belarus. Now not exactly.
2:15:11
Unknown: Putin has sought to frame this as a response to the
2:15:16
British government's statement a couple of days ago. So they
2:15:19
would supply the Ukrainians with depleted uranium ammunition for
2:15:24
use to armor in for use in armor piercing shields. It's a harder
2:15:30
type of metal that uses some kind of depleted uranium that
2:15:33
actually isn't banned internationally. It's not a
2:15:37
nuclear weapon at all. And Putin seems to have just found an
2:15:42
excuse to hang this latest round up of the tension on the west.
2:15:48
It's almost certainly also a response to perspective, a
2:15:52
perspective Ukrainian offensive against the Russians, which is
2:15:58
being spoken as coming fairly soon.
2:16:01
Adam Curry: So it's really it's it's not nuclear weapons. It's
2:16:04
depleted uranium ammo.
2:16:07
John C Dvorak: By the way, that stuff is nasty. It's very naive.
2:16:11
We
2:16:11
Adam Curry: use it to.
2:16:12
John C Dvorak: We used it in Iraq and pretty much poison the
2:16:16
country. Yeah, it's
2:16:17
Adam Curry: bad. It's bad. Now listen to this boots on the
2:16:20
ground from producer Chris in the morning. I was having a
2:16:24
conversation with my niece's boyfriend this evening during a
2:16:26
family function. He's a member of the New Jersey National
2:16:29
Guard, the subject of his future deployments came up. last
2:16:34
Thanksgiving, he was telling us how his unit had begun training
2:16:36
for a Ukraine deployment. But it was shelved for whatever reason.
2:16:40
I think he report I think we might have reported that things
2:16:43
seem to have changed and his unit will now be deployed in
2:16:46
approximately two weeks New Jersey National Guard, and that
2:16:50
the US involvement over there is picking up as the situation is
2:16:53
getting crazy. We do have an active military presence there
2:16:57
just not just contractors and it's spinning out of control.
2:17:01
They recently had for US citizens kidnapped and that is
2:17:05
prompting a step up in our response. He was a little fuzzy
2:17:08
on the details. Why are we not hearing about this trying to
2:17:12
hold off WW three. As of right now his unit has been told it'll
2:17:16
be a years long deployment. If nothing changes, he'll be cycled
2:17:19
back stateside, but only for a few weeks, then we'll be heading
2:17:22
into Mexico because we're now sending troops out to begin
2:17:26
fighting the drug cartels seems like something that should be
2:17:30
reported as well. There's another gathering tomorrow I'll
2:17:33
try and get more information maybe with more or less liquor
2:17:37
involved. could work producer Chris boy did hear about
2:17:42
John C Dvorak: that. But the New Jersey National Guard is being
2:17:46
shipped
2:17:47
Adam Curry: off to Ukraine to Ukraine and
2:17:51
John C Dvorak: then they're going to ship them off a year
2:17:52
from now to Mexico correct. And this is not getting reported by
2:17:58
stars and stripes or anybody
2:18:01
Adam Curry: not that I know of. Not that I know of.
2:18:05
John C Dvorak: This is not this is piss poor. shisha it is
2:18:11
really is piss poor these guys can't keep they got they do
2:18:15
briefings at the Pentagon they can ask we're not supposed to be
2:18:18
shipping our soldiers over there. What are you what are we
2:18:20
doing this is nuts.
2:18:25
Adam Curry: So a lot of people weighed in on no agenda social I
2:18:29
caught this on the flight back on my free tote T Mobile based
2:18:33
internet. About the we were talking about this accident,
2:18:39
private jet, a challenger 300 where one of the passengers on
2:18:44
board was killed, which initially was reported as
2:18:47
turbulence and we were talking about people on private jets not
2:18:50
putting on their seatbelts and I even gave my own account of this
2:18:54
happening with Ray lane. Yes, and so we're story Yeah. So she
2:18:59
got tossed around and crack your head open and she died and her
2:19:03
husband and her son were on this flight. And I think they
2:19:06
actually work for the jet jet from the from the company.
2:19:13
Global what is it? Bombard Yeah. And so the NTSB came out with a
2:19:21
preliminary report. Oh, you have we have to we have to point out
2:19:25
that this woman Her name is Dana Hyde. She was a lawyer for the
2:19:32
Clintons. She was an attorney who advised I
2:19:35
Unknown: know.
2:19:39
Adam Curry: Exactly. who advised okay. She was co chair of the
2:19:41
Aspen Institute's partnership for an inclusive economy. Sir
2:19:45
both the Obama and Clinton administrations served on the
2:19:49
commission that investigated the September 11 2001 terrorist
2:19:53
attack. So of course everyone's like hashtag Hillary
2:19:57
assassination group they killed her And this is the cover story
2:20:02
they say that the endless or the NTSB comes out with a report a
2:20:10
couple of a nominal as a lot a lot of anomalies where they
2:20:16
actually aborted the first takeoff because someone had
2:20:18
neglected to take off the little covering of the pito tube, which
2:20:22
is how you measure airspeed the two of them, so the second pito
2:20:25
tubes, so they actually aborted the takeoff. And then they got
2:20:29
some some kind of caution light not not a warning, not a caution
2:20:33
light at both of these pilots, very skilled pilots less than
2:20:36
100 hours on type though, which is which is might have been part
2:20:40
of the problem. So what happened was after they took off at 6000
2:20:48
feet, they observed multiple caution messages on the EI CAS
2:20:53
which is I forget what the acronym is, but it's it's the
2:20:58
airplane telling you something. The crew recalled e ICs.
2:21:03
messages have a P stab trim fail, autopilot stable
2:21:07
stabilizer trim fail, mock trim fail and a p holding nose down.
2:21:14
And neither crew member could recall exactly what order the
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EIC s messages were presented. So what happened is they they
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they looked into the quick reference handbook, which they
2:21:28
did on an iPad, which is the electronic flight bag, which may
2:21:32
or may not have been updated. This is this is where the
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problem I think is good is a massive colossal failure on on a
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lot of people's account here. And the checklist says oh, you
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should turn off the trim stabilizer switch, which they
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did. The minute they did that the airplane pitched up with
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over two G's. Then the pilot who had his left hand on the on the
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yoke, they pushed it in they they flipped back the trim
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stabilizer then it inverted with nose down for three and a half
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G's and then up again. So it was oscillating for three or four,
2:22:09
up and down movement. And this was a 6000 feet. Everyone should
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have been buckled in this poor lady was not and she she got
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hammered around in her head split open and she did not make
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it. So everyone of course says I've never heard of this. This
2:22:24
is obviously they killed are on the plane. Which is which is
2:22:29
understandable because it was first reported as turbulence
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which as we reported as well. So as I'm looking into this turns
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out, there's something called an air worthiness directive, which
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came out in February 2022. So over a year ago, for this
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particular type for this particular model of the 300 and
2:22:54
the five hundreds. And it says as follows flight controls,
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horizontal stabilizer trim switch, unintended horizontal
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stabilizer motion for the models 305 100 compliance, which means
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it needs to be fixed within 14 days of the effective date of
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this airworthiness directive unless already accomplished. And
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what it says in here is that this particular there's a miss
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wiring in the plane. And even a spring in the switch can can can
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be failing. And that what happened that's why the message
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says AP holding nose down what happened was the trim on the
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back of this airplane the trim was way off it was setting it
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basically trim is like it's like pulling back on the yoke only
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it's a little a little stabilizer that you can use. So
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you don't have to use so much on the yoke. It kind of eases the
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pressure. And it was set incorrectly because of this
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mistake this fault which had not been fixed on the aircraft. The
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minute they clicked it off, the whole autopilot comes off which
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it even said AP holding nose down. And of course at that
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point, you know it's like when you fall if you make a paper
2:24:10
airplane, you fold two little things on the back of on the on
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the tail, you fold that up and the plane will go up and make a
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looping. That's essentially what happened here. And it is
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unbelievable that This aircraft was not fixed and it's supposed
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to be done over a year ago. These pilots it should not have
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been a cautionary warning, it should have been an actual