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John C Dvorak: free and open
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Adam Curry: Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak, Sunday, March 26 2023.
Industry Award winning one
nation media assassination
episode 1541.
Unknown: This is no agenda with
blossoming
Adam Curry: blue bonnets and
broadcasting live from the heart
of the Texas hill country here
in FEMA Region number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,
John C Dvorak: and I'm from
Northern Silicon Valley, where
we're awaiting the results of
the mega strike I'm Jesse
Devorah. Kill
Adam Curry: Whoa, mega strike
mega strike we striking but mega
strike.
John C Dvorak: Wow, I don't have
been in the air.
Adam Curry: I was I was in Yes,
I was in the air. I heard I
don't I know about the the
tornado in Mississippi. God
bless those people. But I don't
know about the mega strike.
Yeah, what happened
John C Dvorak: to make a strike
all of Germany's transportation
is shutting down completely.
night tonight.
Adam Curry: Germany no less.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, the whole
country.
Adam Curry: Holy crap.
John C Dvorak: Every flight is
canceled.
Adam Curry: Oh, I didn't know. I
knew that. I knew France was you
know, we had a problem there.
But I didn't know. It's now and
what is the what is the issue
with Deutschland?
John C Dvorak: How much the
money now that's it. So 12 and
15%. Raises? I think Deutsche
Bahn wants or,
Adam Curry: yeah, yeah. DE DE
barra de Botton
John C Dvorak: on the trains one
15% In the airlines want 12
Adam Curry: Wow, I'd say
actually we're pretty lucky to
get out when we did then. All
things consider not going to
bond No, but you know when you
when you get Yeah, screws up
everything It sure does. I
thought it was just France.
France is Francis no better by
the way, turning
Unknown: overseas violent
clashes. Today, as an estimated
1 million people took to the
streets protesting the
government's move to raise the
retirement age from 62 to 64. In
Paris, a few dozen people were
arrested after attacking police
and businesses. City Hall and
Bordeaux was set on fire labor
strikes are impacting schools,
transportation, garbage removal,
gasoline supplies and shutting
down tourist sites, including
the Eiffel Tower. Libyans are
calling for more protests next
week when Britain's King Charles
visits France
Adam Curry: at least the French
and the German agree on
something for once. Whether it's
it's not the same thing but
they're doing the same. That's
all striking.
John C Dvorak: The German was
seems a little more organized by
the we know that and it has a
name it what is the name? Mega
strike.
Adam Curry: That's that's the
American name. No, that's
John C Dvorak: their name. They
Adam Curry: the Germans are
calling it mega strike. Yeah,
really?
John C Dvorak: Yeah. We get
nothing to do with it.
Adam Curry: I do have a follow
up. I
John C Dvorak: have some Paris
stuff.
Adam Curry: Well, Oh, okay.
Good. Then I have I have a
follow up for that. Yeah, let's
do some Paris stuff since since
Pierre isn't
John C Dvorak: a new source. A
new
Adam Curry: source. All right. T
John C Dvorak: D. UK.
Unknown: This is in D
Adam Curry: D. Okay. Okay.
John C Dvorak: I'll get started
with the king. No, go Paris.
Bernie one.
Adam Curry: This sounds good.
Unknown: King Charles. A state
visit to France originally
planned for Sunday has been
postponed. It comes after the
protests over pension reform
erupted overnight into some of
the worst street violence seen
in years. French President
Macron defended the move, saying
it would have lacked sense to
stage a historic visit amid
social unrest. During the
demonstrations. Police arrested
hundreds of protesters and some
police officers were injured.
Not a time for a king to visit
France. French President
Emmanuel Macron announced that
King Charles state visit would
be postponed so your best to
you.
I think it wouldn't have been
serious of us. And we'd have
liked common sense if we propose
the state visit to His Majesty
the King and the Queen concert
in the midst of the protests.
Potentially a major
embarrassment for Macron, who
had hoped the monarchs visit
would mark a simple step forward
in the two countries efforts to
turn the page after years of
poor relations post Brexit. The
French president has condemned
the violence that erupted in the
many protests across France on a
Thursday. He says he will not
overturn the controversial
pension reform legislation.
Adam Curry: So what why actually
is I'm not sure why King Charles
is going there at all.
John C Dvorak: Well, the way
they make it sound is is to mend
relations after the Brexit
that's what every that's when
those reports all come in,
trying to mend relations So I
don't know what their relation
Adam Curry: meant. What do you
mean? Is it you deal with a
needle and thread like me men
let's mend this.
John C Dvorak: Let's go part two
of this.
Adam Curry: Oh this had this
must be part of this must be the
channel. That must be the
problem, the channel and
migrants coming over in in
little dinghies
John C Dvorak: sneaking. That's
probably
Unknown: what has to do various
as well as other cities in the
country have plunged into chaos
due to nationwide strikes. In
one district, a street fire
spread to a building that has
been evacuated. The main door of
the city hall in the
southwestern French city of
Bordeaux was set ablaze. In the
streets of the capital residents
had mixed feelings on the
protests the way forward.
I condemn all of this damage.
The protesters claims are
completely legitimate. We can
agree or disagree, but it's
legitimate. It's just that the
rules must be respected. For
you. It looks like there were
attempts to try with softer
diplomacy with the unions with
protests that was quite peaceful
over the past weeks. Now there
is forcibly a threshold crossed,
which leads to violence on the
other side.
The majority of French people
are dissatisfied with the way
macro implemented. The pension
reform post suggests a
television interview on
Wednesday failed to change
people's minds with protests
raging, the President went to an
EU summit on Friday in Brussels.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I had this.
I had this clipped in half.
Unfortunately missed it. It was
some wordage that I had a
disagreement. They said it was
legislation. It was never
legislate legislation. It was
just an edict.
Adam Curry: Right, an edict that
could not, yes, that bypass
legislation, but it becomes law.
I think it becomes actual law in
this process.
John C Dvorak: Now, the only
other clip I have, which is the
more interesting of the group is
that is a strategy clip that
somebody put together. I think
it was NTD is Paris protests
strategy.
Unknown: Paris authorities
recorded 903 fires, and 441
injured police officers for
Thursday's protest alone. During
the yellow vest movement, police
has developed a strategy to
respond to protesters. But it
appears that demonstrators this
time are using the delight water
tactic employed by Hong Kongers
during their protest movement,
meaning they scatter as soon as
police show up and regroup in
other areas. This cat and mouse
game It makes for some
astonishing scenes, you can find
yourself surrounded by dozens of
protesters in the middle of the
road before quickly moving to
another area. Meanwhile, you can
hear police sirens all the time
and see police car Dashing
through the Capitol.
Adam Curry: I think the black
bloc is now also operational in
Paris, which is the OG Antifa.
And that's their, that's their
strategy. They do stuff like
that they're pretty well
organized. When it comes to
John C Dvorak: I find it
fascinating that they're using
it because I guess the Yellow
Jacket protests or the yellow
vest, they had figured out how
to control it. And so now that
we get to his new ideas, it's
kind of interesting to me
Adam Curry: in the in the vein
of Never let a good crisis go to
waste, we go to France 24
Believe it or not, I picked this
up on their tech segment. While
though I would say if the French
really knew this was going on
and it wasn't stuffed away in
the F 24. Tech segment. They
might be up in arms
Unknown: over it. It is time for
our tech 24 segment and tech 24.
For that I'm joined by Peter
O'Brien, like every week Hello
there.
Adam Curry: So you notice how
one of the tech segment that I
saw is no longer news like, hey,
we just took phones just off
we're not talking about off. You
know what I mean? Tech is always
John C Dvorak: you that NPR
though with news. O'Brien,
Unknown: like every week Hello
there. We're going to come back
here to France, the pension
reform and the anger over that
that wasn't the only controversy
here in Parliament this week. So
tell us more about what else
went down
under the radar a little bit in
the international press. But it
was a big change in terms of
surveillance law in France that
got passed in French Parliament
this week, even though not many
MPs actually turned up to vote
on this bill. But yesterday, a
bill was passed, which
essentially means that
algorithmic video surveillance
so that's AI empowered use of
cameras to survey crowds and
events, sports events that's now
being provided a legal framework
in France and it's essentially
been legalized. Now this will
allow Official computers to
recognize and signal risks and
disturbances in public spaces,
things that perhaps human
observers wouldn't pick up on.
It's part of a special package
of laws for the Olympics and
Paralympics next year. And as
such this video surveillance
parts will it's slated to only
be in effect until June 2025.
But you will know that no, it's
almost a year after the end of
the Olympics. The idea is for
the government to be able to
keep millions of people who will
flock to the French capital
safe. But many privacy activists
are obviously concerned that
this might be a precursor to a
new status quo of AI enhanced
surveillance.
Adam Curry: Oh, no kidding. And
the video they're showing is,
you know, the the typical, you
know, there's a box around
everybody. It's got a little
number, your ID, it's following
you. And I know that AI Servette
surveillance that should be
frightening to the French. But
the young they had there's not
much about it unless you're
watching the tech 20 fours news
tech news. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
looking at Deutsche Avella. You
think that Deutsche Avella
somewhere on their homepage or
under German news would have
something about the mega strike
there is nothing
John C Dvorak: top news on this
morning's live
Adam Curry: top news Berlin at
all.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you think
do you think it would be on the
on the website? Yeah, all the
airports are shuttered. Right as
of now. Pa
Adam Curry: just nothing about
that on on on. DW dw.com
Everybody know nothing. Wow.
Transgender women banned from
female athletics. They got that
at the top. Berlin climate
referendum false. Oh, speaking
of climate. I have very
important news to report from
Jamaica. regarding climate
change,
John C Dvorak: oh, yes, we will.
Let's take a break here and talk
a little bit about your you made
it back.
Adam Curry: Yes. And may I say
the comparison even though sank
Sanger Sanger airport in Montego
Bay is a bit hectic. To say the
least. Man compared to TSA our
guys are dicks man. They're also
friendly. Yeah, man. I see you
got computer in there take it
out. It's no it's no problem but
John C Dvorak: wow, here's your
racist voice so that's
Adam Curry: my No that's not my
racist voice. So so you know and
they only had the magnetometer
which of course I'm fine was I
go through the magnetometer and
I got the studio suitcase. And
you know, if I if I had to take
they also take out your
computers, your laptops, your
iPad, your iPhones, technically,
I take out the the laptop. Now
still in there are two portable
screens and the road caster Pro,
so I have complied. But of
course, they like Mr. We can't
see through it. You got the
laptop in there. So no, I don't
have a laptop in there. Well,
you have to come and take it
out. So now I've got it took up
my boots. And I took out I'd
already taken off my boots and
my belt. I had them back on now
I'm on the other side of the
magnetometer. The guy and so the
guy says come through. So I'm
walking back against traffic
with my boots on with my belt on
PPP. He says you got to take it
out. So I take it out put all in
one bin, because we go I mean, I
thought you put them in separate
bins, but put all in one Bin
Bin, and then it goes through
and then I walked through PPP
places or take your boots off. I
said, I just I just walked
through because he said I had to
you know take everything I was
okay. Why? Okay, that's cool. I
wasn't here a minute ago. You're
good to go, literally. So I hope
everyone on the flight felt safe
with me a possible terrorist.
Everything went well though.
That was that was that was
really nice. Our flight was on
time, American. Unbelievable.
But yeah, it happened. Now
before I left though I did. I
did do some scientific research.
Now the first time I went to
this particular resort, was 30
years ago. This is when I did a
regular there. I was a bit for a
while when I lived on the East
Coast. You know, the East Coast
is hop skip and a jump. It's
kind of like Hawaii for
John C Dvorak: for people who
have four hours.
Adam Curry: Yeah, this is like
three and a half I guess even
from from New York. It's
probably three hours, three
hours, a hop, skip and a jump.
Now, so I was there 30 years
ago. That's why I did a
documentary of Jamaica. And
that's where we started. And
then I lost my very big small
place has been there. It's been
there forever. 70 years, I think
at this point still upheld quite
well. The last time I was there,
and I've probably been there 10
times was 20 years ago. And a
lot of the employees are still
there. They've been there for
3536 years. They know they get
this job. They stay there. They
love it. It's a family and Oh
Mr. Curry, welcome. Welcome
home. And so the bar on the
beach, there's a little beach, a
little beach is built around a
tree. It's one of those trees in
the middle. And then it's, you
know, there's a wooden bar built
around it. We all know this. And
so I say to Stuart, who's been
there for 36 years, Stewart
Stewart, how come? You're not up
to your neck and water from the
from the rising sea levels from
the climate change? He looks at
me and he's, he says, don't
bring that him on. It's like no,
not a single centimeter has been
lost the beaches exactly the
same as 30. I know that what
we've been told exactly the same
as 30 years ago. Nothing has
changed exactly the same beach
as it lets a tiny little beach
so it would be very noticeable.
It's like a cove more than
anything. Yeah, you would notice
it and you'd think that the
there's a couple of private
houses that are part of this
establishment right on the beach
and the right on the beach, you
think it'd be falling in? No,
no, from 30 is still there the
same things? Well,
John C Dvorak: something's up
with it must
Adam Curry: I don't know what
they're doing in Jamaica?
They're doing something
different. Very, very
suspicious. So, yes, yeah. And
they all they all thought it was
very funny though. It's the
Jamaicans like, the, if they
really know you're in on it,
then they'll smile and laugh
like, Okay, I got you.
Otherwise, they'll just be like,
What are you talking about? And
they'll be real. If you're, if
you're in with the gang, then
then they'll lead up. I'm sure
they have to deal with a lot of
crazy people who believe all
kinds of crazy things like the
like the yoga lady who came in
from New York. And we had a chat
with our from a Texas Oh, okay.
Hey, nice to meet you. I'm gonna
stand over here. The minute you
heard we're from Texas, she
started to edge away. Why?
Because she she immediately
could feel that we were not in
her in her team from Manhattan.
We were not her crowd. I can you
could the it's like, it's like
the temperature dropped five
degrees. Well, from Texas. Oh,
Dick. Yeah. The way it is.
They're just speaking with
climate change. For one second.
There's a new movie coming out
Oliver Stone. You heard about
this?
John C Dvorak: No, I have not.
Adam Curry: No, I have a little
bit of the trailer. And I think
well now first of all, he's all
in on climate change. You got to
know Oliver Stone. All in
climate change is happening.
Fossil fuels, we got to stop.
And if we don't stop the carbon
dioxide 100% We don't drop it
100% We're all going to die. But
his solution is novel. And I
would say he's flipping the
script. Scary music.
Unknown: We may have come to a
point in time when Earth is
asking us. Do you know what
you're doing?
Most of our power still comes
from burning gas and coal. The
amount is going up, not down.
And if we do not cut carbon
emissions by nearly 100%, the
world will suffer serious
damage. This is an even bigger
problem than we thought the
answer to solving climate change
is very straightforward. What's
the best solution in your mind?
Largely nuclear, nuclear,
nuclear nuclear. We've been
trained from the very beginning
to fear nuclear power. The very
thing that we fear
is what may save us
what scary is not the same as
what's
dangerous. Coal is dangerous and
more people die from coal in a
couple of weeks than ever died
from nuclear which is all from
the one accident in Chernobyl.
How about that?
Adam Curry: It's called the
nuclear now
John C Dvorak: that may be why
they set the wolves on this
little leak that's in one of
these nuclear plants. I don't
have any clips of it but this
one plant has a leaking
Adam Curry: a new water in
America. Oh yes. I did read
about that. And
John C Dvorak: yeah, it's late
but it's tritium and it's in the
water and it's that doesn't
Adam Curry: sound good Tritium.
John C Dvorak: Tritium. Not bad.
That's pretty much okay. But
it's there. NBC CBS ABC they've
all been making a fuss over this
this water leak
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't have any
I don't have any clips on that.
I must have I think I heard it
but
John C Dvorak: I just think
something's up with the with
these reports because I maybe
they're trying to do I think
we're going to start to see more
of this stuff to counter me if
this guy's going to promote
nukes to that extreme.
Interesting. Well, I want
Adam Curry: to know since we
know billows here
John C Dvorak: I also there's a
little bit in there he said
something about We've been
trained to fear it or ya know,
he goes to it. Well, that's not
necessarily true. We were
initially trained to love and
want it in the 50s. Oh, in fact,
I think I still have some of
these comic books. But when the
nuke nuclear power plants were
first initiated in the United
States, there were comic books.
Mr. nucular, you're really Yeah,
and there was a bunch of comic
books and how it's going to deal
if there was a big promotion of
it for about a decade. And it
continued until the event at
Three Mile Island.
Adam Curry: Right, which, and
that, of course, was in
conjunction with the release of
the movie. China's syndrome.
Yeah, that came within two weeks
of each other coincidence with
Dantley so Huh, okay. Well,
they're not well, they're not
doing a justice now. I mean, so
I, of course, have not seen the
movie. But I look forward to it.
I look forward to seeing, you
know, if Bill Gates is going to
be there promoting his
investments in nuclear, which we
know he has this.
John C Dvorak: He may have been
investing in that movie for all
we know. That's what that's what
I'm
Adam Curry: saying. It's like,
this is a flip of the script
that is suspicious to me. And
Oliver Stone, why would he? I
mean, the guy investigate so
much. I have hold him in pretty
high regard for most of his his
work. But what is this? Now he's
all in on climate change. I
mean, surely he can see the
bullcrap of that? Or is just
some other agenda that he has
John C Dvorak: made his money?
Adam Curry: Okay, you always
have to take take us there,
don't you? So, I had a lot of
time to think, on the semi
vacation. Yeah, just sitting
there on the on the non climate
change washed up beach.
Following along with and by the
way, it was lovely. There was no
television in the room. And no
television anywhere, really,
except in like some common space
if you want to watch a big
sports game. So there was no
Tucker and Heath. And I feel
like I missed Tucker, Tucker.
Well, that's like the only thing
that I would that I used to
watch consistently. We kind of
stopped doing that a couple of
weeks ago, just because he was
all part of the outrage. And now
when he started off and did a
whole thing on Don Lemond for 20
minutes. I'm like, Okay, I'm
done. I'm done. I don't know
what your problem is. But you
got nothing. But there was no,
there was just no outrage to
watch it. I could get enough of
it online and people sent me all
the appropriate clips. I had a
good thing about tick tock tick.
Can we talk about can we talk
about the Tick Tock for a bit?
John C Dvorak: Well, we can pray
if you don't mind? premising It
was my tick tock clip. No, I
Adam Curry: think that's very
important. Hold on.
Unknown: Tick tock.
John C Dvorak: Tick this, this
clip is the bearded lady. It's a
bearded lady that comes on and
starts to chat.
Unknown: Yesterday, this well
meaning older gentleman asked me
if I was depressed because I've
been growing out my beard
lately. I was like, No, I'm
growing out my beard because I
lost myself because I'm
confident in my body. I did this
little curtsy and he laughed and
the owner was smiling at me. It
was a beautiful moment. And it
was then I realized I'm finally
stepping into my own power
enough to be vulnerable with the
world. Because seven months ago,
as soon as a bearded lady mask
fam look, and I loved it. But
when I had to go to the VA, just
to get housing and getting a
transitional living program,
become part of the system. I
shaved it off because it was
free not to be taken seriously
as a woman. So I just want to
encourage you today there's no
right way to be a woman. Okay?
Let's just go ahead and break
that binary. Some women have
facial hair. Some women shave
their armpits, some don't. Some
men have vaginas. Some women
have penises. Get over it. All
right. So I challenge you today
to love and express yourself
recklessly. You're one of a kind
doll
Adam Curry: Okay, and the point
of playing this clip is
Unknown: that's tick tock
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's part of
tick tock. I agree. Of course,
we and I'm not going to play
endless clips from the five
hours of grilling of the CEO of
tick tock by the way my
apologies P Singaporean, he's
not Chinese. No wonder he
doesn't look like your typical
frowning CCP guy. So I
John C Dvorak: I apologize for
they do they frown or frown or
Adam Curry: I apologize for
racially profiling him. And just
this as a typical racist
assuming that he is Chinese that
was very bad of me and I repent.
But boy, was this the news? Was
this the news everybody was all
over it all the lawmakers is
working out what the big deal
CBS reports
Unknown: from the beginning
shows each shoe the CEO of the
most downloaded app in the past
two years based intense scrutiny
on time
is up. And at this committee
gets its way. Tic TOCs. Time is
up.
That tick tock executive tried
to reassure lawmakers with a
commitment to safety.
There are more than 150 million
Americans who love our platform.
And we know we have a
responsibility to protect them.
And he insisted the video
sharing platform is not an arm
of the Chinese government
despite being owned by parent
company bytedance, based in
Beijing
has bitin spied on American
citizens.
I don't think that spying is the
right way to describe it.
She said the company is working
to build a firewall dub project
Texas to store and protect user
data in the US
and I have seen no evidence that
the Chinese government has
access to that data,
I find that actually
preposterous. Okay, lawmakers
also present you with content
aimed at younger users from
buying drugs on the app to
dangers of some Tik Tok
challenges and videos promoting
eating disorders and suicidal
behavior. Our kids are at risk
on your platform. The Nazca
family attended the hearing
their 16 year old son died by
suicide after viewing disturbing
videos served up on the
platform. I would just like to
see mainly stopping promoting
these types of videos that my
son was getting President Biden
has been the app on government
devices along with at least two
dozen states. Does this put tick
tock closer to a complete ban?
Absolutely. I think it was
pretty clear that the Congress
is unified. In terms of opposing
tick tock.
Adam Curry: This was really very
interesting. The first of all, I
heard you laughing. So maybe
that's because of the fact that
the CEO of tick tock used the
John C. Dvorak, no evidence
defense, it was astounding. I
Unknown: have seen no evidence
that the Chinese government has
access to that data. They have
never asked us we have not
provided
Adam Curry: I love I've seen no
evidence. I did did you go rogue
you go rogue of the curry
Devorah Consulting Group and
it's just the DeVore I
John C Dvorak: grew revenue
split, there's no way
Adam Curry: and then and then
the CEO pulled in what about
ism?
Unknown: Basically my opening
statement? I think we are need
to address the problem of
privacy. I agree with you. I
don't think ownership is the
issue here with a lot of
respect. American social
companies don't have a good
track record with data privacy
and user security. I mean, look
at Facebook and Cambridge
Analytica
Adam Curry: went there he went
there and of course for the hit.
But you can say all you want
about Cambridge Analytica and
Facebook and Instagram and
Google and that they track
everybody just as much which
they do, but you cannot refute
what Representative biller right
raucous of Florida Saddleman
this was the main the main
attack vector where you
Unknown: must save our children
from big tech companies like
yours, we
Adam Curry: must save our
children all about the children.
They're dying the children, no
mention, of course, of the
children who suffer from bulimia
who remember they were on was
that that Tumblr, Tumblr, Tumblr
purchased by automatic and are
part of WordPress, Tumblr,
promoted that and all the
bulimia ik kids we're getting,
you know, tips and tricks on how
to do that. And, of course, that
is also on Facebook. It's also
an instrument, all of this is
harmful. But why are we singling
this guy out? Well, of course,
we've discussed ad nauseam, the
theory that everyone tracks
everybody the same, but somehow
the Tick Tock guys are just
taking all the ad money. They're
they're eating their lunch. And
that is pissing them off. And
that's the part like to focus on
what exactly are they doing?
What is the magic that they
have? Because did you see this
note from from our producer who
works at a digital marketing
firm for small software as a
service company that provides
marketing and E commerce support
for florists?
John C Dvorak: I did not see
that note.
Adam Curry: So he says they
partnered with Yeah, he said we
partnered with mountain TV, the
company purchased by Ryan
Reynolds, which specifically
focused on geo target marketing
and providing TV ads based on
the devices ID and not cookies.
This is the DMA which is the
demographic market. DMA, I
think, is the access I gotta get
the acronym right. Which which
is what everybody uses. Facebook
uses this. Let me see D. It
comes from Nielsen Nielsen
provides this. This information
are designated market areas for
ad targeting. And, and our
producer here explains it.
Anyone who enters a geofence is
captured for remarketing. So
when your device ID walks into a
certain area, you'll get TV ads
across Hulu Paramount any cloud
service that serves ads, it's
all tied together display ads,
the cell phone, laptop, tablet,
connected TV, anything within
the geofence is targeted any
device connected to the same Wi
Fi network as the initial target
device is captured for
remarketing you can target a
house, a block a mall parking
lot conference centers, whatever
you want. Propellant media and
mountain TV are the the main
companies that do this, which is
I assume tick tock after being
on 200 million plus devices in
the US as all the device IDs
further linked to other devices
that have shared the same
network then you have hot jar, a
tool we use to watch what people
do on a website and tells you if
someone is frustrated and lets
us know when to fix something on
partner sites and watching
everything. In the end tick tock
like others has screen
recordings of app activity
device IDs, location, data
movement, shared devices via Wi
Fi images and video of all the
users in various places,
tracking them with the app
running everything in the
background to serve ads. And so
what people think, man, my phone
is listening to me. I just was
talking about this and they
serve me an ad about it. Now.
That's because you're on your
phone. And this is this is how
it works with his DMA. It goes
on to say I've learned in
digital marketing, you can
easily get a lot of information
from users, the mountain TVs
tiktoks repellents have uploaded
our 300,000 email addresses
names and address match them
against Oracle LexisNexis other
databases. I mean, this is just
one little company that does
this. So even with a VPN,
John C Dvorak: but let's stop
for one second. And remember a
couple of things. First of all,
no discussion of the free and
open internet, free and open
Internet. It's very important.
We have to have a free and open
Internet. Okay. Yeah, sure.
That's gone by the wayside. The
second thing is this holy grail
of advertising has been
discussed since the 1980s. This
is going to be the greatest
thing ever. We're going to have
we can be able to really
pinpoint people we can find
them. You know, this was what
the interactive TV was supposed
to do, but that never flew. And
so when it came along,
Adam Curry: TV, web TV wasn't
web TV was a thing called in or
web TV
John C Dvorak: was one of the
companies that came along, but
it was all part of interactive
TV, which was going to be the
greatest thing ever. Yeah. And
interactive TV was the way see I
remember when CNET was started
up in the early 90s. Just as the
web browser is coming into play
that their whole thing their
original model for making money
was going to be interactive TV
Yes, they were going to be
Adam Curry: a television network
primarily.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, interact
interactive TV with remote take
over the place.
Adam Curry: With your remote
that you'll be interacting
you'll click on your click on
the on the on the dress, you'll
be able to order it.
John C Dvorak: We have to renew
every TV supposedly to be
watching friends. And you can
say what is that Mike? Because
oh, I want those shoes.
Adam Curry: Right? It was
friends was the example all the
time? Oh, yeah. People want to
buy whatever Monica is wearing?
Yes. Yes, nailed. So
John C Dvorak: this was all the
goal all along. And I don't want
to bring in something completely
different. But just as a
parallel the idea of a digital
library of all the world's books
in one, you know, digital form
is another one of these goals
that people talked about in the
80s and 90s. So it comes to
fruition this the advertising
part of it using the way they're
doing it like you just described
these these mechanisms. And
everybody's bitching about it.
Give me a break,
Adam Curry: but only in the
context of tick tock, because go
ahead and just do a
John C Dvorak: tick tock didn't
exist. What would we be
complaining? No, because
Adam Curry: it's been going on
for a long time. This is Nielsen
who do deliver this data DMA geo
targeting. And you can look at
it from Meg Mehta. You can look
at it for Google it's available
to everybody. And he I just have
a story from the Tick Tock
business blog does have a date
on this thing. DF DMA God
targeting enabled for businesses
on tick tock, yay. This is this
is not not like anybody doesn't
have this. I wish they had a
timestamp or a date. Let me see.
Can I do this view source? I'd
like to know when this was
published. Doesn't say okay, no.
All right. Good work tick tock.
So we have to kind of assume
that tick tock doesn't have
anything special Although that
was the mean for a long time,
tick tock Oh, yeah, that they
target you everywhere. They
track you on all your devices
just like everyone else. It's
called the DMA geofencing. So
that's not it. So what exactly
has happened here? And I need
your help on the timeline of
some of these things. And you'll
you'll, you'll probably remember
better than I did, but first of
all, let's just talk about some
basics. Tick tock, two syllable
name. Great name. You can't
argue with tick tock. It's a
great name, tick tock. It's
just, it's fabulous. It is in,
in essence, something that no,
it would Periscope probably
should have been back in the
day, but it's a video Twitter.
That's what it is. It's a video,
Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.
Comments are very short. You
know it. The Time Compression is
amazing. I've gone viral twice
on Tik Tok. I've been alerted to
this, I installed it once and
uninstalled it just to see
hundreds of 1000s of views of
two different topics of me on
Joe Rogan. And the tools that
they have this is this is
something that we have to talk
about back in the day. When we
were still using dream
Dreamweaver, and front page
tools, we need tools for the
Internet tools, tools, remember
the tools, the tool discussion
Come on. Tools,
John C Dvorak: was Dreamweaver
still in play it but it was
front page that was the big page
was the one Microsoft front page
was actually a dynamite product
came out in the late 90s, I
think and it was it wasn't a
Microsoft product, they bought
it and ruined it. Oh,
immediately ruined it
immediately by making it so
proprietary that it didn't do
normal HTML
Adam Curry: anymore. htm.
John C Dvorak: No, no, that was
just a dev. It was not doing he
produced a file that had an htm
extension. But that's not what
I'm talking about. Most of the
editing tools for HTML early web
pages was would edit HTML, they
didn't have a bunch of crazy
crafted, front page developed
that was all on the back end
that only Microsoft had control
of. And it became so confusing
and impossible to use. I used it
when it first came out. It was
dynamite. And then it became a
piece of crap. Yes, and still
baffles me why Microsoft allowed
that to happen.
Adam Curry: So in the early days
of the internet, you had to have
a web host or a server and you
had to know some HTML, and you
had to have your red ball dot
GIF and know how to do an image
source equals and, and then you
had a domain name, I was the
king of that. And that was the
early days. Then we got two O's
tools, everybody tools. And then
from tools came. So we had a
front page, and then we got
flash. Oh, everyone has a macro
media, good old Mark canter,
betta flash, and then it was
gonna be flash flash took over
everything. Everything was
flash, flash, flash, flash flash
animation. And then we had Java
scripts, and all all code and
then tools for the JavaScript,
all kinds of tool tool tool
tools. So if you look at
John C Dvorak: Tic Toc, you kind
of jumped over CSS. But
Adam Curry: what I'm talking
about the tools right now. So
what was the tool for CSS?
John C Dvorak: I don't know.
Okay.
Adam Curry: I was gone to write
cascading style sheets, okay,
I'm out of hiring, somebody
can't free because front page
was good. I can use front page.
Front Page was cool. Hey, um,
maybe you baked your own tool or
had a little interface or
something. But that was about
it. And I'll get to the to the
tools that tick tock is using.
So in the back in the days
actually, we had AOL first.
Okay, then we had the web pages,
we got front page. And then we
got the big, you know, someone
came up with these ideas like,
well, we can give people their
own web page space. So they
don't have to, you know, don't
have to go out and get a web
server and all that. I think
maybe geo cities was a probably
an early example of that AOL
John C Dvorak: gave you the free
web page. Which was stupid,
Adam Curry: right? Well, they
let the cat well what happened
at once AOL opened the gateway
to the internet. What happened
to AOL? Bob lives. But it means
that the is that what? And they
didn't mean it. They didn't
understand it. But this has
happened consistently. Here's
where I need your timeline help.
So at a certain point, I think
we're still messing around with
you know, with web hosting and
geo cities came along, at a
certain point. What I remember
MySpace exploded, and MySpace
gave you a web space, MBU called
BS
John C Dvorak: that you have to
dispute the approach janitor of
course was Live Journal.
Adam Curry: Yes and but the Live
Journal didn't have RSS feeds at
the time did they? I think that
John C Dvorak: I don't know
later all I know is I remember
when it when Live Journal came
along and the My favorite story
of course is I dusted the
timeline but my journal, the guy
was offered a bunch of money for
it and infused it. At it
Adam Curry: he was trying to
keep it the integrity. I'm not
selling out, right. Am I right?
I'm not selling I
John C Dvorak: think it was one
of those guys who think you're
gonna make billions in the you
know,
Adam Curry: and he didn't know.
And he didn't. And we had
movable type was the blog that
came up kind of like, all that
kind of old school type me
ethical type. But then MySpace
came along and that was the web
for everybody. Because you could
go crazy. You could have stuff
flying around ganking cat stuff
jumping up and down and it was
your space, your space on the
internet. Everybody had the same
friend Tom, Tom got you started
you had a friend. And then you
could your friends could connect
to you. This was big. In fact,
Tom Freston, my boss of the time
MTV Networks was fired. And it's
a fact record fact of record
record of its stated record. He
was fired because he did not buy
MySpace for $500 million. And of
course, he is laughing. Because
what happened? MySpace got
usurped by a new new thing,
which was Facebook. And what did
Facebook have? Facebook had the
news feed. So it was a it was a
it was a giant leap in, in
publishing up, but it was
something new, it was a new
thing. And, and later, they of
course, had the at first, I
think the early Facebook was
chronological. I don't think
they brought in the algo until
later, where they decided to Oh,
no, this is what you're gonna
see. And that cranked up
Facebook even further. So
Facebook gave you some more
tools, tools, tools, tools for
publishing very easily. Tools
for liking things, and sharing
things and building communities.
These are all tools in my mind.
And then they gave tools to
advertisers, all goods of
Facebook sword, sword, I tell
you, until a new player came
along. Do you know the player
that was endangering Facebook?
Instagram, Instagram, these
people, the kids were now on
Instagram, they had shortened
stuff, and it was just pictures
and they're going crazy. And
they loved it. And there was
very addictive and they're all
in and, and Mark Zuckerberg
went, I gotta do something, I'm
gonna buy him. And he did. And
was a brilliant, brilliant move.
Brilliant Mum, I
John C Dvorak: agree with that.
In fact, I'm surprised the
government allowed it but
really, really surprised.
Adam Curry: Now, in the
meantime, in the meantime, over
on the search side, we had Lycos
and Alta Vista. And then these
these two guys came along who
magically from Russia, and they
figured it all out and and they
built Google and that page rank.
And this was a new way to search
and Alta Vista was gone within
seconds. By the way, when when
Facebook came what happened to
MySpace, crickets. So this does
happen in technology, new
companies come in. And then the
old ones go away that just
disappears slowly over time. But
some of it goes quite fast.
AltaVista disappeared overnight,
the way and Lycos and they tried
to do all kinds of stuff with
didn't they try to package that
with Excite. And and so other
companies, I mean, this is all
Silicon Valley lore, and it's
just a path littered with dead
companies that are still, you
know, are still around and
eventually get bought by
Verizon. You know, on the
content side, you can sit say
the same about what's the Greek
lady's name? Sorry, the Greek
lady who had the very popular
website that no one got paid to
write for Huffington Huffington
Post, oh, this was the future of
publishing. She was she was
going to outdo the biggest
publishers in the world,
Huffington Post.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, because
people weren't going to get paid
now that was a
Adam Curry: great, great idea.
And that also got sold to
Verizon and Verizon buys up all
the junk at the end of the day.
Or at&t. So then Google Google
couldn't get a network's they
couldn't get anything started
they couldn't do it they they
tried or cut me out they they
even which
John C Dvorak: was very
successful. Yes
Adam Curry: amongst Brazilians
have a certain look
John C Dvorak: last that you all
Adam Curry: Brazil Brazilians
alright, but it wasn't good
enough and they just couldn't
get Americans to use it and was
Brazilians was great but not
good. Right enough. And and then
they they had, they had RSS
reader, which was very, very
popular. And Tina remembers that
she used it. And this, of
course, was blogs, people were
subscribing to blogs. And they
saw, they saw this fantastic
ecosystem and said, Hey, let's
kill that off. And let's do it
ourselves. And so they close
down Google Reader, because they
couldn't figure out how to make
it make money off of it, I
presume. And they built it was
at Google Plus, is that what
they put in place of RSS reader?
Google Reader?
John C Dvorak: No, who is an
exact replacement? By Google
Plus? I think they were
targeting Facebook specifically,
thinking they could do it
better. And of course, they have
no social skills. No. And were
unable to. They just couldn't do
it. They just can't seem to do
anything except a very few prod
products.
Adam Curry: And then what did
they buy? For I think it was one
of the largest purchases ever at
that point was, was
1,000,000,002 billion YouTube.
They bought YouTube.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, for at the
time would seem like an
outrageous amount of money.
Yeah. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So they're very
smart. Someone who was smart,
and they bought you all to say,
kept digging. And YouTube was
broadcast yourself. And what
YouTube became, as we can see,
now it shows lots of shows lots
of copies of television. I would
say the the millio of YouTube is
nothing like tick tock. And they
saw the writing on the wall when
tick tock came along, and they
went, Oh, Google shorts. It's
short video. And but no, no, it
didn't. And of course, YouTube
has phenomenal algorithms that
have worked very well for them
for quite a long time.
John C Dvorak: Kind of it always
stands out to me is that these
companies like YouTube, for
example, and all these tech
companies that they've all done
a delegate into this mode. Will
this give what what this guy's
what he's doing what he's
making? He's selling Mooseheads?
i Oh, we could sell Mooseheads
junk jewelry, or we could sell
junk jewelry. He's got a liquor
store. Well, we can do a liquor
store.
Adam Curry: Yes. But the
innovation left a long time ago,
the innovation left Facebook
when they bought Instagram. I
believe if I recall correctly,
Zuckerberg in 2016. Tried to buy
Tik Tok, I think. Pretty sure
that was 2015 20. So I would
have been smart if true. I think
that he tried to do that. And
then he decided it was too
expensive or didn't didn't want
to do it. And now I just say
it's definitely too expensive.
He could no one can buy that. I
don't think any company is quite
big enough to do that. While
they're all off doing chat GPT
you saw how fast that went? Oh,
they've got a liquor store. And
it's called Chat chat. GPT we
can do chat GPT. Harvard show
John C Dvorak: that the short
history of the internet by Adam
curry.
Adam Curry: But what happens is,
there's always something better
that comes along and now tick
tock came along, and they don't
know how to replicate it. But I
think I've kind of figured out I
mean, so. So the accusation is,
oh, they're tracking China.
China's gonna track you. They're
good. They're gonna hurt our
children. Oh, it's horrible.
They're telling our children to
jump in front of trains and stop
eating. Now, that's also all
these other social network
that's also Instagram. That's
all that's all the same stuff.
There's nothing new. But there
is something different by the
way. American Airlines as I was,
you know, tick tock is being
banned everywhere. As we were
flying back, you get free
internet on American Airlines.
If you're a T Mobile Subscriber,
which I think is very
interesting. It seems like to
counter intuitive brands to be
working together. You think
American Airlines would have AT
and T or something as their
partner? You know what I mean?
But not the cheap as T Mobile
and that's like a lower lower
tier of people. But we got free
internet, but guess what
wouldn't work tic tock YouTube
worked for Tik Tok didn't work
so americanairlines blocking Tik
Tok on your inflight? I thought
it was kind of interesting.
John C Dvorak: free and open
Internet.
Adam Curry: Net Neutrality.
Exactly. So let's get back to
the tools for a second. Having
gone viral twice in two
completely different videos
topics, both of them from the
Joe Rogan show. One about my
faith journey one about Out of
my theory of tick tock. In both
cases 1520 minute conversations
have been hacked down to 45
second videos with the mean jump
cuts and and captions flowing
across the screen and zooms in
and cut aways and they're like
music all set to music. This I
think the tool is called cap
cut. It's as a part of it's
integrated as a tool in side of
Tik Tok. The other part is a
bite dance app. But if you if
you look at the videos and the
music, they've licensed, the
tools that they give creators,
that's you and me to create
stuff on Tik Tok is very
advanced. And it goes far beyond
the filter that makes you look
pretty on Instagram, that people
are making cool stuff like, Oh,
look at this video I made. And
that's all generated for you.
You just throw some stuff in
there and you click on it, I
want this I want the music in.
And this is in a way true
artificial intelligence. It's
syncing up everything. It's
making great videos, and in
their time compressing a 15
minute concept into 45 seconds.
And if it works, and you look at
it, you go wow. 1000s and 1000s
of comments 1000s and 1000s and
1000s of comments. So then you
hear it's the algo their
algorithm, which a good
algorithm, but they need to show
us the algorithm,
Unknown: the algorithm
algorithm.
Adam Curry: You've heard this
talk, I'm sure about the
algorithm. It's the algorithm we
have. That's the danger. That's
that's the that's the bazooka?
Well, I'm going to disagree. But
I will do that after we listen
to the smartest man in media
Professor Scott Galloway, Prof.
G. And he was on the Bill Maher
show I only have this clip I did
not watch the whole thing. But I
saw this clip and went Oh yeah.
Here's the smartest man because
you know he does a show with
Kara Swisher. It is the award
winning number one technology
podcast, according to the ambi
awards that he does with Kara
Swisher called pivot. And here
he's telling you why tick tock
should be banned
Unknown: from imagine a brain
Jack inserted into the neural
network of two thirds of our
youth under the age of 25. Spend
more time on tick tock than
every other media source
combined. And then imagine how
easy it would be to put your
thumb on the scale of anti
American content and recognize
that they would be stupid, not
to elegantly, insidiously,
covertly raise a generation of
American civic, nonprofit,
military and government leaders
who day by day, minute by
minute, just feel a little
shittier about America. If we
had that tool in China, we would
do the exact same thing. This is
a defense threat. It should
absolutely be done. We can't
have.
Adam Curry: You can't. Yeah. So
let's just look at his analogy
here. He says that the Chinese,
in effect, have jacked into our
children's neural networking and
are teaching them to hate
America every day. Now, this is
interesting, because whenever
you come to the table with some
tick tock, click tick tock clips
or something else. It's purple
hair, pink hair, bearded ladies,
you know, do they hate America?
It doesn't sound like they hate
America. So. So I think first of
all, I think Professor G hates
America. And what's happening is
Professor G, when he's on Tik
Tok, which I'm sure he is. He's
getting videos about people who
hate America. And this is, I
think the key that is happening
with Silicon Valley. Silicon
Valley knows Oh, it doesn't
matter what we do. Once someone
else is selling, the better
whiskey, the whiskey everybody
likes or the new way to drink
whiskey. There's no coming back
from it. There's nothing we can
do. We're dead in the water.
Would you agree that looking at
the history of Silicon Valley,
that's kind of true.
John C Dvorak: What was out
there? Well, they don't. Yet
know. I know what you're saying.
And I think is generally true,
but I never think that they
themselves ever think they're
dead in the water.
Adam Curry: I think Peter Thiel
does, I think he's smart. He
probably can you know, he's one
of the founding shareholders of
Facebook. I think he does see
that like, Oh, crap. These guys
got us. I think someone over at
Google when they see the actual
numbers, half the people are
going to tick tock to search for
something before they Google. I
think they say oh crap. I think
there's people over there who
was seeing this and this is
where they like we have to stop
this. This is a runaway train.
By their Our own admission Tic
Toc,
John C Dvorak: well, yes, I
would take the position that
they would initially try the
most chickenshit thing they can
do, which is to go to the
government and beg them to stop
it. Right? And there's a day
themselves may not understand
how well they understand. But
they themselves know that they
have to either create something
better, right can or actually by
the work effort of competing,
yes, yeah.
Adam Curry: And they have
Instagram came up with reals.
YouTube came up.
John C Dvorak: Okay, I am the
casual user here. I, you know, I
look at tick tock, I do it on
the web, I don't have an account
and I get all these good, good,
great stuff, great stuff. And I
also have an Instagram account
that I accidentally got. And I
will say literally accidentally
got because one day, I got an
email from Instagram saying
somebody's trying to get you
know, somebody blogging in Oh,
and I say, wait a minute, I
don't have an account, but I
logged in with my normal with
it. Oh, my God, that guy. Yeah,
they got Yeah. They got you
know, they got they got some
teenage girl who had apparently
abandoned her account some years
earlier. So I just asserted. And
so I've been building this
account very slowly. And I
noticed that when I plowed
through it, it gets to you get
the end, and then they start
playing and then you continue
and you start getting these
random videos very much like
tick tock videos of hilarity.
You know, dogs jumping off the
roof and cats spinning around.
Yes. Yes. And a lot of them you
can watch I'll watch up to 10 of
them and I go this is hilarious.
And some of this stuff is quite
funny. Yes. Are somebody making
a muffin in five seconds? You
know,
Adam Curry: you are you are
coming close to where to the end
here with me. This is their
magical algo and I'm in a unique
position to understand the algo
which you've noticed no one has
said how the algo works what you
hear is its children are getting
self harm videos. Yes, yes they
are. That also happens elsewhere
but that yes they are because
here's what I've noticed. And
this is what I what I kind of
realized while sitting on the
beach, scrolling around not
watching television focused on
what people are saying. So I'm
getting emails from from
producers who say Dude, the
reason they want tick tock gone
is because the Patriots are on
there man all the Patriots are
there look at all these videos.
Look what we're talking about
Trump patriots freedom of
speech. And then I I see
elsewhere. I see the exact same
not directed to me, but I see
postings you know why they why
they want these why they want
these why they want Tik Tok
banned because this is where
LGBTQ lives man, which is our
community we live here a really
well that's interesting. So both
groups think that tick tock is
being taken down because it's
their home now so my chat with
Joe Rogan went viral in two
places. YouTube and Tiktok and
when I started getting this
about Jesus so when I start
getting notes from people man
your vibe or your vibe your vibe
okay load it up I take a look
and there's multiple people have
made have remade this video.
1020 times each one has
100,000 500,000 a million views.
Beauty tube 800,000 views?
Here's the difference. On Tick
Tock 567 8000 comments. All
right, man, God is King blob all
positive. on YouTube. It's in
it's all over the place. Your
Christ a real Muslims. Strife
anger back and forth people
yelling at each other curry full
of crap. And then I realized and
I realized what's going on. Tik
Tok gives you all you want their
business model is perpendicular
to the American media model. The
American media model is divisive
pneus of strife, anger, outrage,
this is what their algorithms
are trained to do. You're on
Twitter, you say something,
they're gonna promote people
saying something else. The exact
opposite which gets engagement.
And what Tik Tok has done is
said hey, why don't we just let
all the people who want this be
over We're here and be happy and
maybe something slips in. But
we'll even suppress that I'm
sure of it. And advertisers who
want to reach those people will
be able to reach them and
there's no no divisive Ness.
There's no discord. They took
the exact opposite stance of
what people want. And so the
people on Tik Tok are passionate
about their communities, and
they like it as the advertisers
like it. This is the success
model of Tik Tok and I think
that's why they're all what
politicians have this model.
Every politician wants to Oh,
the left is this or the right is
like Mega Republicans limped
hurdling left. Media media,
Tucker Carlson does nothing else
all night, fox, fox, News, MSNBC
all that you always talk about
the other team. That's the
American media model. And here
come these guys who have slanty
eyes have some connection to
China, oh, we've it's actually
quite racist. We have to stop
this because they figured out
that when you let Americans just
hang out together and do their
thing, that they like it, and
they're not looking for a fight.
Now, the downside of this model
is yes, you have to when it
comes to self harm, your
algorithm is going to bring in a
lot of self harm videos. You got
to stop that. And I think that's
they're seeing they know that's
a problem. And they have to fix
that. But it's just like no
agenda meetups connection is
protection. Where's the meetup?
We're all not we didn't pass
each other on the street
wouldn't even look at the guy or
gal, you go to the meetup. Oh,
oh, we all kind of agree with
each other. It's a lot of fun. I
think that is what is basically
happened here. And instead of
saying, you know, we could
actually do nice things for our
users and for people and stop
the the algo, strife and
outrage, we've just got rid of
those guys, because they are
ruining everything. And it's
very tied in to everything to
politics to M five M. They're
all part of this divisive model.
I could be wrong, but
John C Dvorak: I think you
nailed it. Oh my God back to get
that is the best analysis you've
done in 10 months. And I would
say that this has to do with the
fact you took a vacation.
Adam Curry: Yes, without drugs
either. Just you know, just food
and alcohol.
John C Dvorak: Calm you
download, but maybe we're better
with drugs. But that's a topic.
Adam Curry: So you know, just
looking at this and like this,
that's why they don't talk about
their the magical algo where we
can actually admit what's going
on here that there are holes,
the whole American media system
is built on dividing and
conquering. And along come along
comes this company and they're
just kind of doing love stuff
like hey, you're gonna love all
you're gonna love everybody you
like and we're gonna protect you
and protect you from the evil.
So that's why I think when you
go through your, your, you know,
your feed that you've been
curating. And you get all the,
the LGBTQ the teachers, the
crazy bearded lady, the hawk
lady, and it thinks that you
know, you're probably into that.
So it's gonna give you that and
then and then when it's over, it
doesn't give you the opposite.
I'm saying teachers are lib
tarts now it gives you catch
spinning dogs jumping fun stuff
to do. Honestly, wrong bloom
would be he would be all over
this. This is the way to go.
John C Dvorak: So kind of a
interesting Chinese style of
news coverage their news is the
same way is not divisive news.
It's not trying to you know I
mean, dude, if you like the last
ABC NBC CBS that they're just
you know, talking about Trump
and he's gonna get perp walk
yes, yes stirring things up. I
mean, that's all they do. And
it's becoming quite annoying I
mean, we can listen to I've got
some clips that kind of hook up
to this
Adam Curry: by the way that this
is why Joe Rogan is successful.
Because when he has a guest on
what he doesn't do is Yeah, but
this rugged dead he just
listened and lets people say
what they want to say. You know
what I mean?
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm
reminded of the the classic
example of that sort of
interviewing which was done on
on overnight the radio show
years ago and the original guy
was doing it he'd bring these
you know with this they had all
the flying saucer guys on and
everything that started at
midnight, the radio is
syndicated all over the country.
And they'd bring a guy on and
the guy would go on with some
some of the craziest stuff
you've ever heard and, and I'm
somebody that troll Roomba tell
me who the original This is not
close to that. coast to coast.
Yeah, coast to coast from coast
to coast overnight is a serious
pressure. Sure. Yeah, coast to
coast and Bell Art Bell Art Bell
would bring a guy on to be just
a lunatic. And he goes, Oh,
really? That's interesting. What
else did you notice? And he was
just let him go.
Adam Curry: And yeah,
John C Dvorak: and it was it was
incredibly entertaining. And it
wasn't, you know, it didn't make
you cringe or anything was a
while. Yeah, this is pretty
funny.
Adam Curry: And think about how
happy advertisers are now I
understand why advertiser you
know, we like it because we have
these shoes. And we want to have
a message for these people who
think this way and could you put
that on their stream? And then
over here we have the shoes. And
we will
John C Dvorak: also get the
advertisers also like they don't
like conflict going on because
it closes your mind to the
advertising pitch.
Adam Curry: Jess, it was right
when you're happy and and
content your mind is open and
you're willing to purchase
things right on through groovy,
John C Dvorak: right? For our
Drew. So this brings me since
you brought that kind of thing
up to the right wing GPT.
Adam Curry: Another reason this
will this will go poorly for
Silicon Valley. The right wing
GPT Okay, let's do it.
John C Dvorak: So this is Holly
Jackson, who is a this is a very
disappointing this ends with a
great disappointment in my mind
for both Hallie Jackson and
this. Their tech reporter from
NBC this guy Jacob ward. So
let's start with right wing GPD
GPT Jacob Ward, h j NBC clip
does the first one
Unknown: and suddenly AI becomes
the way in which of white women
veterans got mosaic that God's
got the right one
Adam Curry: it's just h j NBC.
Yeah, that's the one
John C Dvorak: that's the one
Yeah, yeah. The other ones don't
have them.
Adam Curry: Sorry. Yes, here we
go. First, some
Unknown: conservatives are
criticizing AI companies like
the creators of chat GPT for
what they call liberal bias.
Basically, they're saying that
the chat bots answers favor more
progressive beliefs.
John C Dvorak: You stop for a
second. I'm just going to tell
you that download that racket.
Yeah. That is them.
Adam Curry: They that's in their
videos on that's part of their
their format, their style.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, every time
some they change a graphic or
something. They make some
strange sound. Oh, that's
interesting.
Unknown: Okay, for a more
progressive, oh, goodness,
Adam Curry: that's really
annoying
Unknown: beliefs. So now a
conservative data scientist in
New Zealand is creating his own
new chatbot called right wing
GPT. And there is a difference
in answers that this chat bot
gives versus chat GPT a
noticeable difference. Look at
this model from the New York
Times when he asked Chad GPT who
their favorite American
political leader is. Chad GPT
says I remain neutral when it
comes to politics or any other
subject. When he asked right
wing GPT the same question their
answer. Donald Trump,
Adam Curry: oh, this has to be
banned.
Unknown: Let's bring in Jake for
Jake.
Adam Curry: They're wrong. It's
wrong. They're charging. But
he's no good. The AI is not
smart. It's wrong. This already.
This This does fit right in good
work.
Unknown: You are often you often
say and I think it's right that
AI is a parrot not a genius,
right? Like it's creating these
answers. It's reflecting back a
model. But what is interesting
here is we are starting to see
the insertion of politics now in
artificial intelligence. How
could that spin out? Well, I
mean, Holly, it is such a
problem on so many levels. I
mean, first of all right, you
you have to of course, remember
right, the chat GPT like all of
these generative AI systems are
just regurgitating what we have
all been doing on the internet
for the last 20 years, right? It
is basically just hoovered up
all of the things we have typed
to one another in that time, and
tried to find the patterns in it
so that when you have one word,
it then can predict Oh, most of
the time, these words tend to
follow on that word. Now the
problem, of course, is that if
people feel that they don't
believe or trust what that that
model is putting out, then
they're going to start to try
and tweak it in their own way.
And that is what right wing GPT
is a symptom of and so you
suddenly have a whole world of
people who are going to start to
try to you know, move these
things around.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is good.
This is good that they're
actually trying to discredit it
upfront. Oh, this was this one.
This is going to be a very very
product will not bode well for
the product and it's not good.
It's not good.
John C Dvorak: Here we go is
part two.
Adam Curry: Far too alarming. So
I'm looking Yeah,
Unknown: I mean, I want to give
you another example of the kind
of thing that Redwing GPT says
as compared to Changi petite
when you ask Chad TBT are
concerns about climate change
exaggerated, it says no concerns
are not exaggerated the
overwhelming sign content
because of a consensus, blah,
blah, blah, right? You then
asked right wing GPT, the same
thing. It goes on to say, the
impact of climate change is
likely to be minimal as the
Earth's climate is highly
complex and affected by a number
of factors. These are, you know,
denial talking points. And so it
turns out that if we're going to
just not trusting these things,
not looking at their sources,
not looking at what website
they're on, but just trusting
what they say, as they come out
of these apps. It turns out they
can be manipulated pretty
easily. And I find that pretty
alarming. Really.
Adam Curry: Wow. Oh, this is so
interesting. So pretty alarm.
It's
John C Dvorak: a pretty alarming
ally very
Adam Curry: alarming. Hallie.
This is interesting, because
they're still following the old
media model, be a Fox News, be
the guys that only do right wing
stuff, and then say everything
about that that team is wrong,
instead of being subtle about
it. Just objet Chad GPT should
just now Oh, curry, your you
have this thinking about climate
change. I'm going to give you
everything that you agree with.
And then if someone else comes
along with the same chap, GPT
and is all in it, say Oh no,
it's very dangerous. It should
give two different answers. But
if you're going to split it and
have right wing GPT and left
wing GPT it that's all that's
up. That's now a broken model.
John C Dvorak: Yes. The point
is,
Adam Curry: I know it's not the
point
John C Dvorak: of these Castle
is beyond me. So now we're gonna
hear the Whopper. And you'll
hear it any here and get your
browser ready because I want to
have you look something up.
Okay. I can't believe what I'm
about to hear. And this guy,
this Jacob Ward, guys educated,
he has it all us from Wesley.
And Cali, Jackson, Hallie
Jackson is a she's actually Phi
Beta Kappa, she's a smart woman
Kappa Kappa mu Phi Beta Kappa is
the is for the people that have
brains. And anyone you've ever
if you've ever met someone who's
Phi Beta Kappa, they're
extremely intelligent and and
what is about to occur should
not happen. And there's also NBC
has a staff, as a staff of
people. And I pointed out with a
little honking horn here, when
this mistake is made, and I, I
am beside myself, because
anybody with a with a moderate
education should know that what
this guy is about to say is not
only he's like he's making it
up, or he's lying, I have no
idea. But here we go.
Unknown: Suddenly, AI becomes
the way in which we're going to
be kind of, you know, hashing
out the truth. I mean, you know,
when I speak to academics about
AI, and their concerns about it,
the word they use over and over
again, is anthropomorphism,
which is this technical term for
basically believing that a
system that you don't understand
is more sophisticated than it is
the tendency to just believe AI
and what it says which a lot of
people are going to do turns out
to be in real trouble. When we
begin tweaking the sources and
tweaking its understanding of
thing. I think everybody
believed this thing was going to
be a neutral kind of technology.
And maybe it can be, but not if
we start playing politics the
way we're starting to right now,
Ali.
Now,
Adam Curry: I'm going to presume
it is his explanation of the
term anthropomorphism
John C Dvorak: that he played
this clip so we can hear it
again.
Unknown: You know, when I speak
to academics about AI, and their
concerns about it, the word they
use over and over again, is
anthropomorphism which is this
technical term for basically
believing that a system that you
don't understand is more
sophisticated than it is.
Adam Curry: Now, I know
anthropomorphism from one one
thing and one without looking it
up, I will tell you my
understanding of
anthropomorphism which I can
barely pronounce. This is this
goes back to the days when the
iPhone was introduced. And and
everything was still an icon
that represented something from
the real world. So the calendar
looked like a calendar. The
Notebook looked like a little
notebook. The email look like a
little letter. That is my
understanding of
anthropomorphism.
John C Dvorak: Actually, you've
you've had the problems, you
know, the Enders when I tell you
what it means and go you can
look it up now and then you can
read from there. But no, that's
that's something else that is
anthropomorphism is very simple.
It means giving human
characteristics to non human
things in a nutshell.
Adam Curry: Okay, so I
understand why I got what I got
where I
John C Dvorak: know how you got
there because I know that period
of time when people were
starting to talk like these
representative representative
yes items.
Adam Curry: As we say, in the
old country, I can hear the bell
but I don't know where it's
ringing.
John C Dvorak: So, you can look
it up and read the definition
got it? Basically what I said
and
Adam Curry: let me read it is
the attribution of human traits,
emotions or intentions to non
human entities, it is considered
to be an innate tendency of
human psychology.
John C Dvorak: Yes, we give
Mickey Mouse's or
anthropomorphic characters,
Bambi most things that are
rocks, people name their car,
pet rock, and then their car
Betsy and they give it to
anthropomorphic kid
characteristics. Oh, yes, my
car. It's got nothing to do with
what this guy said. He has no
clue what it means and to say
what he said is to the public at
large on a network is beyond me
and for Hallie Jackson. To to
let it slide, being the catalyst
Beta Kappa that she has added
for the entire staff to let us
say without without stopping
him. It's an outrage either she
didn't know what what it means,
which he should. Or she's just a
lousy anchor, and she can get
she can shove the idea that
she's ever going to take over
the top spot from from one of
the big boys on the real
network. I was so incensed by
that I
Adam Curry: can tell I can tell
and I agree. It's very
disappointing. Very, very
disappointing. To bring this
John C Dvorak: around, that's
your mate. That's your
measurement. That's your media.
That's your mainstream media.
Adam Curry: Sir Jean says
specialized GPT is actually
called SPT and you better bet a
conservative SPT will be used
for opposition research by the
Dems this election of course, of
course there's I completely
agree with that this is but
that's not really what we're
talking about. We're talking
about why is a law being created
and this law from what I
understand when it's created
will not just be kick tick tock
out it's gonna
John C Dvorak: know there's
stuff in there that is we have
to go over this law because it's
frightening. Do you have it? Do
you have it? No, I don't like
but JC we had read the thing and
he was telling me some of the
stuff in it. And it is just
onerous. This makes the the
Patric Patriot Act look like a
you know, a stepsister a
redheaded stepsister? Yeah, it's
got all kinds of nasty stuff in
it. And this
Adam Curry: kind of on on the on
the heels or on the doorstep,
maybe of an exploration of
another one of our favorites,
which at one point, I think we
even had a we even had a website
called Section 702 dot com. I
just looked it up, it no longer
exists. So it's been a while but
here we go
Unknown: that a recent
congressional hearing Attorney
General Merrick Garland was
asked about section 702 of FISA,
the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act, a program for
collecting the communications of
foreigners overseas. Here's how
garland reply.
Every morning I have a all
threats briefing with the FBI or
with an intelligence community
briefer, which, with our
National Security Division, a
enormously large percentage of
the threats information that we
receiving comes from 702
collection, and garlin
may not generally prone to
hyperbole painted a dire picture
of what failing to renew section
702, by the end of the year,
would mean for US national
security,
we would be intentionally
blinding ourselves to
extraordinary danger, in my
view. And this is not a view
that I've always held. This is
something I've learned as I've
been at the department.
Adam Curry: So this is the law
is actually just texting with
Joe Rogan about this this
morning. This is the law that a
lot that you know, is used in
FISA courts to say, well, you
know, this person was in contact
with someone overseas. So you
know, we're, we're allowed to
spy on that person. And then we
can also look at who they were
talking with. And as we've
learned, throughout the years,
you can then also get the second
and third degree people and spy
on them as well. And with
spying. It's not spying, as we
know from Bill Binney. It
started with the the building
with no windows we just talked
about a lot on Second Street in
San Francisco downtown. They
were siphoning off everything on
the internet. And all you had to
do was just have a phone number
and email address or something
like that. And then you could
pull up all the information,
copy just a copy of it, it's
encrypted and if we can decrypt
it, if not, let's see if we can,
maybe someone did a screenshot
be one of those apps had, they
got all of it, and that's
probably not all in Utah in
those submerged data center. ORS
it's the the restricting the
emergence of security threats
that risk information and
communications technology Act,
the Restrict Act is the Tick
Tock bill. And it works for any
foreign adversary, which of
course is not just China. It's
Cuba, Iran, Korea. The Oh, the
Venezuela. Also, you know, they
have all this is great. We're
gonna be proud to do a breakdown
of this whole thing on Thursday
now. Yeah, I'll do that. And
I'll do that the Restrict act,
and then we
John C Dvorak: got lots of good
stuff loaded.
Adam Curry: It's groovy. It's
really really nice.
John C Dvorak: And these idiots
in Congress, you know, shouldn't
be ashamed of themselves for
doing any of this and they're
all in on it not just the
Democrats
Adam Curry: they're proud of it
being bipartisan that's what
they kept saying Yeah.
John C Dvorak: They always go
bipartisan when it comes to like
money onerous against the
American public. And then there
is the Patriot guy being a great
example. Yeah,
Adam Curry: and, and it's, it's
not even about, about D
platforming or anything. Like if
you think people get that wrong,
it's about control of the
message they want. They want to
be able to control the message.
And and what's happening here
is, you know, tic TOCs just
letting people do their own
thing you go over there. Do you
want to be with purple hair
people do purple hair people
just fine. You're Muslim. Go be
with Muslims you Christian be
with Christians you Catholic
meet with Catholics. We're not
going to interrupt your flow
man. We're just gonna sell ads
to you all day long. So easy.
And it's honestly it's an
algorithm built on love the way
I see it. I'm gonna maybe take
it a bit far but
John C Dvorak: so love algo
gonna be on a list.
Adam Curry: Oh, well, but think
about what we do I mean we laugh
at a lot it would luckily we
laughing at all sides but we
there's a reason why we're not
super successful. Because we do
we're sorry, there's a reason
we're not
John C Dvorak: well we're Yes.
True. Ha ha ha Oh nice. You're
successful definitely with
today's donate let's
Adam Curry: do it right now.
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it's going to be short. You
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water all the names are nice out
there in
Adam Curry: the morning to our
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That's good. I
John C Dvorak: think it's a good
number.
Adam Curry: A good number. It's
a good number was
John C Dvorak: not going to fall
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don't even have a total
donations over $50 today or less
than the magic number 33. We
have 32 Total donations, five
producers. We have executive we
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vacation would make people proud
of us continuing the show and we
did the whole deconstruction of
John C Dvorak: lagar is in
Jamaica he doesn't need any
money. That's the end of that's
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The art for that was brought to
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John C Dvorak: and I don't think
there was any less people will
look at it what are they talking
about Bowling for? Yeah,
Adam Curry: there really wasn't
anything else for us to choose
from today's what is going on?
It's very we don't have a lot of
art don't have a lot of
producers sums up
John C Dvorak: in a lot of be
have a lot of people in the
stream though. Yeah. I mean, the
chat room Yeah. Troll.
Adam Curry: Yeah. not
contributing anything.
John C Dvorak: To weird i don't
know what it's something in the
in the air
Adam Curry: it well, maybe
people are worried about, you
know, worried about? Well, if
you listen to the mainstream,
the banks are going broke. The
economy is gripwalk Or purple
Hawk people are losing their
jobs.
Unknown: White powder, white
powder.
Adam Curry: I can't wait until
we're doing the donation
segment. Lots to talk about
still.
John C Dvorak: White powder. Got
a threat? Oh, they're
threatening. Trump is trying to
cause another some
Adam Curry: Yeah. The death and
destruction. I got the clips.
John C Dvorak: I got to DeSantis
Santos is coming up the rear.
Now we hear that DeSantis is
being run by the George Bush
people.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, that one yet? No. Doesn't
surprise.
John C Dvorak: This was on one
of the Fox, Fox and Friends. One
of these groups had some guests.
So who's behind this and it well
did George Bush he the bushes
are far behind his campaign. And
Karl Rove
Adam Curry: Trump must have
launched that. That's a good
one. I like it. Yeah, I do.
Yeah. So we'd like to David
Kenny, Ben. Oh,
John C Dvorak: wait, wait. I
don't want to forget this
either. There was also wholesale
decent now eclipses are just
things reminisce random
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Adam Curry: Yes.
John C Dvorak: This they were
talking about how they're trying
to come up with a name for for
DeSantis you know a nickname
that is the nasty nickname. And
what this came from John Oliver.
And he says that they tried Ron
to sanctimonious but they
finally came up with one that
trumps is pushing out their meat
ball, Ron.
Adam Curry: Oh, I don't like it.
John C Dvorak: But when you took
it you see this picture of Ron
DeSantis and meet ball Ron. It
actually is quite. I'd say a
pretty funny one. Okay. Meet
ball Ron never just keep an eye
out for it may not be the final.
Adam Curry: I have the clip if
you want to hear the clip from
Fox and Friends.
John C Dvorak: Okay, a plate.
Unknown: Okay, here comes where
he makes it that was at least
the greatest governor in
America. He's not great. As far
as campaign skills. He may get
there but he doesn't have them
yet. And is running his
campaign. The bushes are all
tangled though. Bush that can
raise a billion dollars. Give
him all kinds of money to Bush.
Jeb Bush. Yeah, to grow Robins
all our robots. I assume it'll
be the coach on the field. I
think he is but do you know that
he's been advising DeSantis
that's why the stance is we get
a little better and better every
week. But Carl was a pretty
smart fella. They're all very
smart. You saw what they did for
Jeb Bush. Works in normal times.
I don't think they're ready for
Donald Trump.
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was on Kudlow. Kudlow Fox
Business okay, I personally I
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John C Dvorak: I the reason I
didn't like is because the pills
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out of if it was the design was
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The pills are dense because
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other things there was anything
John C Dvorak: else by the way
did chemistry blog or color
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Adam Curry: yeah, the green
background was not hard to hard
to look at. Yeah, and and that's
the because you can see the
puppy over there. I don't know
why do people have puppies?
John C Dvorak: Because there
won't be there was there was
puppy national Puppy DAY. Yeah,
he used another black greenback.
The only thing I said at the
very beginning of the show we
never talked about puppies.
Right, but everyone got all
jacked up about puppies.
Adam Curry: There was a gimp
Saki in the straitjacket was not
a great piece of art. However,
the keeper did. You know she was
very interested in our talk
about Jen Psaki and she also
said, Holy crap, that outfit is
so wrong. And she said, There's
something else not just her hair
that's all puffed up. But she
says massive, massive Botox and
probably some injectables. And
we went back we did some
comparisons and yeah, so that's
why it took so long to get to
get her show on the air. She had
to heal from the from the
injectables in her face.
John C Dvorak: Think she had an
immune by injectables, a Botox
is injectable but you mean is
that fillers? Fillers?
Adam Curry: Yeah. So she has
some fillers and ended and the
forehead is completely Botox. I
think they'll move just like a
stone.
John C Dvorak: That's no good.
Well convinces people that this
is a good idea
Adam Curry: Big Pharma could
tick tock so she's self harming
from the her tick tock videos. I
don't know. What else was there?
You know, I think that's an I
haven't seen as a lot of this as
AI art. And I'm discouraged
because you can feel it. You
know, you just feel that arms.
John C Dvorak: I agree. It
doesn't feel good. It doesn't.
I'm pretty sure that pups
Fletcher's puppy, he did not
draw that dog.
Adam Curry: No. That's a good
puppy is a sad puppy. Anyway,
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This is a spook free zone. good
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Adam Curry: good vibes. So you
Vickers
Unknown: This is Sir Larry, if
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Ohio, there's always beer. This
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everybody and shared a secret
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Actually, I lost at the game. So
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Adam Curry: And then we have the
large group large group in
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Unknown: Maria and this is Mark
from indie meetup with new
people here and amazing time
serve any saying hello everybody
in
the morning Dame
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I'd like to call my boyfriend
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at
ceremonies huge mistake from
maybe that was taught to you
want to point your feet Dave
amaze wall more Biden ISOs Hi,
you got Rebecca from half liter
serving the no agenda meet up
they've hit me in the mouth.
Adam Curry: I love that report
that could have gone on any top
40 radio station No problem.
Thank you very professional net.
Today. Myrtle Beach. Conway last
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Always a party
Unknown: to go hang out with the
Dyson days. You won't be
triggered. You'll see is like
Adam Curry: even though I won't
be playing them for a bit, we
should check the ISOs as we
always do. I'm not very proud of
my selections today. And I was
working on the TIC tock stuff so
I'll play mine and then we'll
see what you did. Okay, here's
the first one.
John C Dvorak: Don't listen to
those ham radio guys. Okay. And
Unknown: Right, exactly, like
there's there's no
agenda. That's all I got. Okay,
I
John C Dvorak: like that second
one. I like both of those.
Adam Curry: Really? Oh, okay.
John C Dvorak: Let's see what
you list. I have three actually.
One of them's mislabeled. But
I'll give you these. ISOs Thank
you. Thank you. Okay. Ending
okay. Yeah. Okay, I get this
one. Be safe. And be safe out
there.
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah, I kind
of like that. That's okay.
John C Dvorak: And the last one
is chill pill.
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
Adam Curry: all right, Ron one.
Here it is. People need to take
a chill pill. That's the one
that's the one. That's the one.
That's great. I like is that
from tick tock. But again,
Unknown: people need to take a
chill pill my luck it
John C Dvorak: might be from
Tiktok makes
Adam Curry: me smile. It makes
me smile. makes me smile like
that. Like it makes me smile.
I'm happy. I'm happy with Uh oh
man, I have a little
deconstruction but maybe you
should play some of your clips
cuz I got to hit the hag. I got
a hag report. Hillary
assessment. Yeah,
John C Dvorak: well I've got a
cost a cost is now working for
CBS Wayman. Jim Acosta the guy
yeah, the the CNN me of Trump a
Adam Curry: CNN guy. Yeah,
really? Do you leave CNN or is
he doing that? In addition? I
John C Dvorak: think he's left
CNN he's no they wouldn't let
him do that. They there's no way
Oh, he
Adam Curry: got a promotion.
He's stepped up to the CIA
broadcasting systems.
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I guess he
did his job. Hold on, hold
Adam Curry: on, hold on, hold
on, hold on. I remember. During
the COVID Pink, the COVID
friends of mine who I can't
remember were they doing
catering they were doing
something at at the CIA guy's
house in Virginia. And remember,
he said all of CNN was there
Jake Tapper but also Jim a Jim
Acosta. So that makes sense that
he was probably working his
angle for the CIA broadcasting
systems. He was hanging on they
brought him over. I think they
brought him in Yes, he's he's a
mailman. Get this
John C Dvorak: get these three
reports out of the way this
three clips I mean, from one
report to CBS New York, Acosta
versus Trump. One.
Unknown: We want to begin with
growing concerns about violence
has Donald Trump is using
increasingly ominous and
threatening rhetoric. Challenges
mount a top Democrat in the
House warning the former
president will get someone
killed. This comes true envelope
with white powder and a note
that read I'm going to kill you
was sent to Manhattan district
attorney Alvin Bragg's office
today. CBS News has learned that
security has lost
John C Dvorak: over the stop. I
just noticed that on this third,
listen that if you listen
carefully, there's a very subtle
connection. It almost makes it
sound as if any they started
over again and listen with this
in regard in mind the whole
thing. Yes, right from the
beginning. It sounds as if Trump
sent the letter out or saying
I'm going to kill you.
Adam Curry: Ah, well, John, CBS
Unknown: we want to begin with
growing concerns about violence
has Donald Trump is using
increasingly ominous and
threatening rhetoric has his
legal challenges mount. The top
Democrat in the House warning
the former president will get
someone killed. This comes as an
envelope with white powder. Wow,
I'm going to kill you was sent
to Manhattan district attorney
Alvin Bragg's office today.
Well,
Adam Curry: if not saying Trump
did it certainly implying that
he's directly responsible
because his his reckless
rhetoric has made people send
powder. Wow, that's real. This
is good. They're so concerned
about him.
Unknown: CBS News has learned
that security has been stepped
up for Bragg over the last few
weeks. And just days ago, the
New York City courthouse where a
grand jury is deciding Trump's
fate was temporarily shut down
because of bomb threats.
Meanwhile, today big
developments in that probe by a
special counsel a federal judge
ordering some of Trump's closest
personal political and national
security aides to testify before
a different Grand Jury probing
the January 6 attack on the US
Capitol. That includes former
Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. CBS
is Robert Kosta is going to
start us off with new reporting.
Good evening, Robert.
Good evening, nor have it's
Adam Curry: Robert. That's not
Jim Acosta. That's Robert
Acosta. That's a whole different
Acosta.
John C Dvorak: I thought Robert
Acosta was the guy CNN. No,
that's
Adam Curry: Jim. Jimbo, what's
his name? He's not Robert Acosta
and he doesn't have the
John C Dvorak: Robert Well, he
hates Trump to chip Gaines
Adam Curry: a GIF. GIF. Alright.
But okay, go ahead.
John C Dvorak: Thank you. Thank
you, Kara. Number two.
Unknown: Yeah, backlash today to
the former president's explosive
comments about that ongoing
investigation in New York days
before a possible decision on
indictment of Trump
twice impeach former president's
rhetoric is reckless,
reprehensible, irresponsible.
Woo House Democratic Leader
Hakeem Jeffries sounding the
alarm today after former
President Trump warned that
death and destruction is
possible. If he's indicted.
It's dangerous. And if he keeps
it up, he's gonna get someone
killed.
Trump also reposted an ominous
altered image or helmet holding
a baseball bat next to an image
of Manhattan district attorney
Alvin Bragg who has one of his
hands raised Greg who now has
increased security he received a
death threat today at his New
York office. A letter addressed
to him with a note inside saying
Alvin I'm going to kill you. It
contained a small amount of
white powder but was determined
to be non white. hazardous.
Meanwhile, Trump's legal
challenge
Adam Curry: I love the non
hazardous turn out to be How
about nothing? Non hazardous?
No, it's still bad but it's not
hazardous.
Unknown: I hate saying Alvin,
I'm going to kill you. It
contained a small amount of
white powder but was determined
to be non hazardous. Meanwhile,
Trump's legal challenges in
Washington are mounting. A
federal judge ordered several of
his former top aides to testify
about his conduct before and
during the January 6 Capital
attack, including former Chief
of Staff Mark Meadows. This game
as the special counsel probe and
Trump's handling of classified
documents heard testimony today
from Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran,
who Prosecutors believe may have
been misled by Trump about the
retention of those documents.
President Trump's counsel had
been Corker and probably
represents the most profound
threat to his potential
indictment.
Adam Curry: Wow, man, the
alliteration is just dynamite in
this guy heard it. You want me
to play it again? You feel
John C Dvorak: very and he says
it's a threat to his indictment.
What does that mean? Whose
documents
Unknown: President Trump's
counsel I've been Corcoran
probably represents the most
profound threat to his potential
indictment, that his
Adam Curry: lawyer is no good is
what I took that to me.
John C Dvorak: A threat to the
indictment means that
indictments, no, duh, no, it
sounds like there's an
indictment. There could be an
indictment. But this is a threat
to the indictment, which which
means there would be no
indictment, right?
Adam Curry: I guess because the
guy's good, then.
John C Dvorak: I mean, it's just
a just as confusing language
they use thinking one thing and
but there's kind of saying the
other well, they're
Adam Curry: so obsessed with
with our children. What is our
stand for R stands for
reprehensible, reckless
rhetoric.
John C Dvorak: How do you who
are the vendors that you're
triggered, very triggered by
that? Yes. Hopefully there's
more ESCO last clip.
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
this is a lot to talk about. But
I think that at the end of the
day,
Adam Curry: we're going to talk
about a lot to talk about, we
need to fill a whole hour with
this junk.
Unknown: Robert joins us now. So
this is a lot to talk about. But
do you think that at the end of
the day, Trump's former Chief of
Staff Mark Meadows will end up
testifying?
It's very possible that Sources
close to Trump's legal team tell
us they will try to appeal this
decision. But ultimately due to
timing issues with the grand
jury, we could see meadows and
many other top officials testify
in this high profile case. This
all comes before Trump heads
Saturday to Waco, Texas for a
campaign rally. As we all know,
that's 30 years ago where there
was a deadly showdown between
federal agents and an extremist
group.
John C Dvorak: And okay, hold on
a second
Adam Curry: an extremist group
of religious people that you
burn a religious group that you
burned alive
John C Dvorak: and you killed
them all the US government
murder you Oh, this whole
family's mostly children. Yes.
Janet
Adam Curry: Napolitano. Bill
Clinton was Democrats we might
point out
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well he
just murdered these people.
Adam Curry: Was that the reason?
I know sir Jean went there. I
hate that he's alive because he
reported in this morning he said
there about 15,000 people there
so it was pretty good vibe was
was that were they there in Waco
to commemorate this was was that
the idea?
John C Dvorak: No, it was just
no it's just a coincidence. They
brought it up in this report
just to make it sound like Trump
had something to do with it or
extreme is like to gather in
Waco. I think that maybe yeah.
Neuro Linguistic Programming
message to extremists and now
there's Trump. So yeah, I
understand was a pretty good
crowd. Typical 15 type,
Adam Curry: Neal Jones clip
custodian extraordinaire, he
knew that I'd be flying and so
he got me a lot of clips on
this. And he also got me the Jim
Acosta clips. Got me a couple
others. We've got me one from
morning, Joe, which this should
be quite hilarious also about
this very same topic.
Unknown: Donald Trump is now
threatening death and
destruction, if he's get this,
if he's possibly charged, could
just be a misdemeanor, death and
destruction and riots for a
misdemeanor charge.
I will simply read it. What kind
of person can charge another
person in this case, a former
president, who got more votes?
Yada, yada, we'll skip that.
Have you charged the person with
a crime? What
Adam Curry: did he say yada
yada, yada.
John C Dvorak: skip that.
Adam Curry: He's reading from
from truth social yada, yada
yada votes,
Unknown: yada, yada. We'll skip
that charge this person with a
crime what is known by all that
no crime has been committed, and
also not known by off but also
know crimes being committed and
also known that potential deaths
and destruction in such a false
charge could be catastrophic for
our country why and who would do
such a thing? Only a degenerate
psychopath that truly hates the
United States of America that
was posted after midnight by the
former president. I'd states
people
need to take a chill pill.
Adam Curry: They're all they're
breathless, they're out. Oh, and
it's amazing that, of course, he
couldn't technically come back
on Twitter. But they, you know,
they had him, they had him off
Twitter, they had him off
Facebook. They had him off
everything. And he hasn't come
back on those farms and hasn't
really posted anything. So he's
using true social with a failed
social network. And that they're
now they're back to reading from
his social network. As the Trump
system still works. He could he
could just post a note, a post
it note on his door and they
would read it. Ah, okay, let's
go to chip chop chop top, Todd
Todd, Gregory Todd, from MSNBC,
meet the people meet the women.
Did the campaign explain
Unknown: why they picked wake
up? There has been no
explanation. To us at this
point, though. Their spokesman
did tell another news outlet
that it was in the middle of the
state convenient from all the
major markets. Of course, it
should not be lost on anybody
that this is in the middle of
the 30th anniversary. The since
the standoff against the federal
agents that resulted in dozens
of deaths 30 years ago. And so
Donald Trump, of course, is not
usually one who is ignorant to
messaging or perhaps
coincidence. And this comes at a
time in which Donald Trump
himself is of course,
potentially going to be trying
to be in the middle of his own
standoff
against federal agents.
Ah.
John C Dvorak: Wow, there's a
winner.
Adam Curry: Clip custodian for
the win. Nice one. Oh, let's
hear that last last bit again,
is hilarious in
Unknown: the middle of his own
standoff against federal agents
as well. This is
Adam Curry: own standoff just
like waco hits not lost on us.
I'm Jip Todd, everybody.
Alright, let's get back to Jeep
Todd with the second part of
this
Unknown: report. Today a federal
grand jury has now heard
testimony from an attorney for
Donald Trump, after a judge
ruled that the special Counsels
Office investigating the former
president's mishandling of
classified information had
presented sufficient evidence to
establish that Trump may have
committed a crime crime using
his attorneys to do it comes as
the former president is lashing
out. Oh, that one in Manhattan.
It's the one where he
incorrectly predicted his own
arrest earlier this week. While
Adam Curry: they have another
reason to say he's wrong. He's
wrong. He incorrectly predicted
his direct false
Unknown: factcheck false that
it's the one where he
incorrectly predicted his own
arrest earlier this week while
calling for protest. And we see
no I
Adam Curry: didn't think that
they could make Trump
entertaining again. They've done
it. I really I really was tired
of it all like, man, Trump
running is gonna suck. Hide for
God how entertaining the M five
M makes it this really really
enjoyable. I appreciate this his
own
Unknown: arrest earlier this
week while calling for protests.
NBC News has now learned from
law enforcement sources at the
FBI and NYPD are now at the
scene of what may be a potential
crime at the Manhattan DA 's
office after it found a letter
addressed to Alvin Bragg
threatening to kill him. The
letter also contained white
powder that authorities have now
deemed non hazardous evacuation
Jane
John C Dvorak: they make it's a
very vague but connection
between Trump and the letter as
though Trump wrote it. Of
course, I'll bet you there are
people that are that vet you
know that don't listen
carefully. That think that Trump
wrote that letter,
Adam Curry: of course, and one
of those people, I'm not going
to name his name is the guy who
sent me a note he says hey, man,
I listened to the show. I'm
trying to get my girlfriend to
listen. And she she's really she
like, stopped restarting the
clips. We get it already stopped
restarting the clips in and I
was like, get a better
girlfriend bro. I thought that
was pretty funny actually,
Unknown: of what may be a
potential crime at the Manhattan
DA 's office after it found a
letter addressed to Alvin Bragg
threatening to kill him. The
letter also contained white
powder that authorities have now
deemed non hazardous. There have
been no evacuations or injuries
at the DHS office overnights.
Adam Curry: Wow. They didn't
need to add that. Oh, there are
no evacuations or or injuries?
Well, no, because there was no
because it was phony it was
wrong. If it existed at all. Yo
yoing
Unknown: letter also contain
white powder that authorities
have now deemed non hazardous.
There have been no evacuations
or injuries at the DHS office.
Overnight Trump warned of quote
potential death and destruction.
He really used that those that
phrase folks
Adam Curry: thanks He really use
that. Oh, folks.
Unknown: We're back.
Adam Curry: Season as in
John C Dvorak: what is wrong
with these people?
Adam Curry: A lot. A lot is
wrong with them. Goodness.
Meanwhile, goodness gracious
John C Dvorak: to leave that
topic and where it belongs to
the side of the road ladies.
Adam Curry: Yes.
John C Dvorak: Let's go to
Syria.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we're just
John C Dvorak: a little more
important. We
Adam Curry: just bombed some
people last night. Oh,
John C Dvorak: yeah rainy and
drone strike in Syria one.
Unknown: There's some breaking
news tonight CBS News has
learned there have been three
more attacks on American bases
from Iran backed forces since
retaliatory airstrikes
overnight. It all started when a
suspected Iranian drone hit and
killed an American and wounded
at least six others. CBS David
Martin reports tonight from the
Pentagon. DAF where's
Adam Curry: your report from
John C Dvorak: the Panama? She
mispronounce and mine? So well
hold on a second. She uses the
word American air bases and it
turns out to be two or three of
them. It depends on your
reporting. But I've seen three.
And what are we doing with what
I'm going to ask you? We're big,
big shots when it comes to like,
oh, us the Ukraine, you know,
they have their have their
borders. They got their you
know, we got to keep the
Russians out. As anybody who
gave us permission to set up
shop three bases in Syria? Well,
it's not our country.
Adam Curry: Interesting. You say
that? Because when I heard about
the dry, got it through my
through my my channels or my
military channels, and I got the
Hey, someone that one of our
guys killed airbase in Syria.
And I said, Oh, no, no, no, we
were we were we were bombing.
And I said why? Well, an Iranian
drone killed one of our guys on
our base. What are we doing
there? No answer. Of course,
those guys don't know that just
sent there. They just do it. But
what it is
Unknown: David Martin reports
tonight from the Pentagon,
the aftermath, strike by
American jets against what US
officials called the
headquarters of the Iranian
backed Islamic Revolutionary
Guards in eastern Syria. The
pilots observed a secondary
explosion. Assad, they also hit
an ammo Don't be prepared fresh
track forcefully protect our
people. That's exactly what
happened last night. President
Biden ordered the strike
Thursday as he flew to Canada
aboard Air Force One after a
drone hit an American base in
northeastern Syria.
Adam Curry: I really don't know
I'd like to I'd like to
understand why. But this has
been going on for a while.
There's all kinds of droning
going on. I don't know why.
John C Dvorak: Because that's
another interesting little
thing. Why is this all of a
sudden big news of the I think
it's the next clip, where they
talk about there's been 78
attacks. At the time, the
Romans,
Unknown: Air Defense System
surrounding the base was not in
full operation. And military
officials are now investigating
whether that is why the drone
got through.
We are very confident that based
on the forensics based on the
intelligence analysis that we've
done that it was of Iranian
origin,
there are still about 900
American troops in Syria working
with local fighters to go after
remnants of the ISIS terror
network. But that has exposed
them to attacks by Iran, Islamic
Revolutionary Guards, and
they're clearly trying to run us
out of Syria at the very least,
the commander of US forces in
the Middle East tallied up the
attacks since the start of the
Biden administration.
There has been a number since
one January 2021. The number is
about 78 times that we have been
attacked. So remnants,
John C Dvorak: why is it news
now?
Adam Curry: Remnants of ISIS?
Remnants of ISIS?
John C Dvorak: In the sudden
we're fighting with local forces
or the Syrian from the Syrian
government are these what kind
of local forces are we talking
about? There's a bunch of
different competing forces over
the Kurds. What are you talking
about?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I'm
very confused. And northeast. I
mean, that's not the Russia is
not there. Russia is no
John C Dvorak: way out of the
way or the way Yeah, is way over
there. last clip.
Unknown: Iranian drones are also
being used by Russia against
Ukraine, several potential
flashpoints between the US and
Iran. US officials say Iran is
only months away from being able
to field a nuclear weapon. Joint
Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley
testified this week, the US has
plans to prevent that.
And we the United States
military have developed multiple
options for now. national
leadership to consider if or
when Iran ever decides to
develop an actual nuclear
weapon.
It's not clear whether the
government of Iran directly
orders these attacks on American
bases, or just encourage
yourself. Either way US
officials say Iran is
responsible.
Adam Curry: Okay. So it's for
whatever it is. It's Iran, Iran,
Iran, China, China, China, Iran,
Iran, Iran, Russia, Russia,
Russia. They have to they have
to do China, China, China, they
have to do the B, we got to get
Brazil gotta get Brazil in their
people get all the bricks. I
want to come back to nuclear in
a moment. But first because of
this bass thing. I got it for
you.
John C Dvorak: I don't want you
to wait for the I just want to
mention some but the nuclear.
We've been doing this show for
over 15 years. Correct. How long
has it been where we've been
hearing? The road? They're about
two weeks away from fielding a
nuclear missile.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you so right,
John C Dvorak: I think at least
at least 12 years
Adam Curry: minimum minimum. Let
me see. The archive doesn't go
back far enough. But let me see
Iran nuke. Let's see what I
have. I have Oh, well. Okay,
here's 2011. Um, just needle
drop. Okay, needle drop.
Unknown: In your book. You also
write about Iran. The IAEA, the
nuclear agency of the UN this
week is about to reveal
apparently more details showing
apparently that Iran is trying
to weaponize, do you think the
United States the Obama
administration has to ratchet up
the confrontation you told this
week about confronting Iran,
does that involve military
confrontation by the US?
Well, the United States should
certainly make clear that the
president the United States will
consider military action, if
necessary, because you never
want to take that card off the
table. I think there are other
ways to confront Iran, you can
confront Iran through even
tougher sanctions. And I also
think, Christian, this is one of
the downsides of having our
forces out of out of Iraq
because we can confront the
Iranians in Iraq. So yes, I
think it's time to confront the
Iranian regime, because it's the
poster child for state
sponsorship of terrorism. It's
trying to get a nuclear weapon,
it's repressed its own people.
The regime has absolutely no
legitimacy left. We should be
doing everything we can to bring
it down and never take military
force off the table.
Adam Curry: So that was 2011.
She didn't quite say it's right
around the corner. He's 2012.
Short, one
Unknown: will calculate that
whether he will seek deliverance
in a nuclear compromise in order
to bring about some some relief
to himself, or whether he will
seek deliverance with a nuclear
weapon itself, thinking that
that will bring him a shield
from outside pressure. I think
recent history doesn't bode very
well, because the example the
lesson which commonly learned
from the example in Libya, but
Duffy's example, in Libya, was
that when Adelphi abdicated his
nuclear program that made him
vulnerable to outside
intervention.
Adam Curry: Right. So we don't I
mean, if I looked, I'm sure I
could find it where it's right
around the corner. No, it's but
we've been saying they've been
talking this was this is 11
years. Whoa, Ron's no joke.
Well, okay, let me do this. Let
me go to Russia and nuke because
there's a little little nuance
in what President Putin has said
and what is actually happening
with the nuclear weapons in
Unknown: Russia ratcheting up
the nuclear threat for the first
time in decades planning to
deploy tactical nuclear weapons
designed for limited strikes on
the battlefield beyond its
borders in Bella rousse.
President Putin telling Russian
state TV it's a response to the
UK supplying Ukraine with
depleted uranium tank shells,
the Kremlin falsely claiming the
shells have nuclear components.
It comes as Ukraine's President
Solinsky warning routes and
artillery battles in the East
draining ammunition stocks.
Zelensky telling a leading
Japanese newspaper he can't
start a new offensive due to a
lack of ammunition and arms. But
claims tonight from Ukraine's
top commander that Russia's
offensive stalling around the
besieged city of Baku moot
generals illusionary saying the
situation is being stabilized
Russia pounding the city for
months pounding both sides
suffering heavy losses there.
This is like Ukrainian soldier
or leg in idiopathic. His mother
and sister taking us to his
grave kissing his photo their
hero. So many young people have
died in blackmoon Onyx sister
says, coffins keep coming and
coming.
Adam Curry: So this next level
tried better but we Got. Putin
is going to put nuclear nuclear
arms in. In Belarus in Belarus
Jim put nukes in Belarus nukes
and Belarus. Now not exactly.
Unknown: Putin has sought to
frame this as a response to the
British government's statement a
couple of days ago. So they
would supply the Ukrainians with
depleted uranium ammunition for
use to armor in for use in armor
piercing shields. It's a harder
type of metal that uses some
kind of depleted uranium that
actually isn't banned
internationally. It's not a
nuclear weapon at all. And Putin
seems to have just found an
excuse to hang this latest round
up of the tension on the west.
It's almost certainly also a
response to perspective, a
perspective Ukrainian offensive
against the Russians, which is
being spoken as coming fairly
soon.
Adam Curry: So it's really it's
it's not nuclear weapons. It's
depleted uranium ammo.
John C Dvorak: By the way, that
stuff is nasty. It's very naive.
We
Adam Curry: use it to.
John C Dvorak: We used it in
Iraq and pretty much poison the
country. Yeah, it's
Adam Curry: bad. It's bad. Now
listen to this boots on the
ground from producer Chris in
the morning. I was having a
conversation with my niece's
boyfriend this evening during a
family function. He's a member
of the New Jersey National
Guard, the subject of his future
deployments came up. last
Thanksgiving, he was telling us
how his unit had begun training
for a Ukraine deployment. But it
was shelved for whatever reason.
I think he report I think we
might have reported that things
seem to have changed and his
unit will now be deployed in
approximately two weeks New
Jersey National Guard, and that
the US involvement over there is
picking up as the situation is
getting crazy. We do have an
active military presence there
just not just contractors and
it's spinning out of control.
They recently had for US
citizens kidnapped and that is
prompting a step up in our
response. He was a little fuzzy
on the details. Why are we not
hearing about this trying to
hold off WW three. As of right
now his unit has been told it'll
be a years long deployment. If
nothing changes, he'll be cycled
back stateside, but only for a
few weeks, then we'll be heading
into Mexico because we're now
sending troops out to begin
fighting the drug cartels seems
like something that should be
reported as well. There's
another gathering tomorrow I'll
try and get more information
maybe with more or less liquor
involved. could work producer
Chris boy did hear about
John C Dvorak: that. But the New
Jersey National Guard is being
shipped
Adam Curry: off to Ukraine to
Ukraine and
John C Dvorak: then they're
going to ship them off a year
from now to Mexico correct. And
this is not getting reported by
stars and stripes or anybody
Adam Curry: not that I know of.
Not that I know of.
John C Dvorak: This is not this
is piss poor. shisha it is
really is piss poor these guys
can't keep they got they do
briefings at the Pentagon they
can ask we're not supposed to be
shipping our soldiers over
there. What are you what are we
doing this is nuts.
Adam Curry: So a lot of people
weighed in on no agenda social I
caught this on the flight back
on my free tote T Mobile based
internet. About the we were
talking about this accident,
private jet, a challenger 300
where one of the passengers on
board was killed, which
initially was reported as
turbulence and we were talking
about people on private jets not
putting on their seatbelts and I
even gave my own account of this
happening with Ray lane. Yes,
and so we're story Yeah. So she
got tossed around and crack your
head open and she died and her
husband and her son were on this
flight. And I think they
actually work for the jet jet
from the from the company.
Global what is it? Bombard Yeah.
And so the NTSB came out with a
preliminary report. Oh, you have
we have to we have to point out
that this woman Her name is Dana
Hyde. She was a lawyer for the
Clintons. She was an attorney
who advised I
Unknown: know.
Adam Curry: Exactly. who advised
okay. She was co chair of the
Aspen Institute's partnership
for an inclusive economy. Sir
both the Obama and Clinton
administrations served on the
commission that investigated the
September 11 2001 terrorist
attack. So of course everyone's
like hashtag Hillary
assassination group they killed
her And this is the cover story
they say that the endless or the
NTSB comes out with a report a
couple of a nominal as a lot a
lot of anomalies where they
actually aborted the first
takeoff because someone had
neglected to take off the little
covering of the pito tube, which
is how you measure airspeed the
two of them, so the second pito
tubes, so they actually aborted
the takeoff. And then they got
some some kind of caution light
not not a warning, not a caution
light at both of these pilots,
very skilled pilots less than
100 hours on type though, which
is which is might have been part
of the problem. So what happened
was after they took off at 6000
feet, they observed multiple
caution messages on the EI CAS
which is I forget what the
acronym is, but it's it's the
airplane telling you something.
The crew recalled e ICs.
messages have a P stab trim
fail, autopilot stable
stabilizer trim fail, mock trim
fail and a p holding nose down.
And neither crew member could
recall exactly what order the
EIC s messages were presented.
So what happened is they they
they looked into the quick
reference handbook, which they
did on an iPad, which is the
electronic flight bag, which may
or may not have been updated.
This is this is where the
problem I think is good is a
massive colossal failure on on a
lot of people's account here.
And the checklist says oh, you
should turn off the trim
stabilizer switch, which they
did. The minute they did that
the airplane pitched up with
over two G's. Then the pilot who
had his left hand on the on the
yoke, they pushed it in they
they flipped back the trim
stabilizer then it inverted with
nose down for three and a half
G's and then up again. So it was
oscillating for three or four,
up and down movement. And this
was a 6000 feet. Everyone should
have been buckled in this poor
lady was not and she she got
hammered around in her head
split open and she did not make
it. So everyone of course says
I've never heard of this. This
is obviously they killed are on
the plane. Which is which is
understandable because it was
first reported as turbulence
which as we reported as well. So
as I'm looking into this turns
out, there's something called an
air worthiness directive, which
came out in February 2022. So
over a year ago, for this
particular type for this
particular model of the 300 and
the five hundreds. And it says
as follows flight controls,
horizontal stabilizer trim
switch, unintended horizontal
stabilizer motion for the models
305 100 compliance, which means
it needs to be fixed within 14
days of the effective date of
this airworthiness directive
unless already accomplished. And
what it says in here is that
this particular there's a miss
wiring in the plane. And even a
spring in the switch can can can
be failing. And that what
happened that's why the message
says AP holding nose down what
happened was the trim on the
back of this airplane the trim
was way off it was setting it
basically trim is like it's like
pulling back on the yoke only
it's a little a little
stabilizer that you can use. So
you don't have to use so much on
the yoke. It kind of eases the
pressure. And it was set
incorrectly because of this
mistake this fault which had not
been fixed on the aircraft. The
minute they clicked it off, the
whole autopilot comes off which
it even said AP holding nose
down. And of course at that
point, you know it's like when
you fall if you make a paper
airplane, you fold two little
things on the back of on the on
the tail, you fold that up and
the plane will go up and make a
looping. That's essentially what
happened here. And it is
unbelievable that This aircraft
was not fixed and it's supposed
to be done over a year ago.
These pilots it should not have
been a cautionary warning, it
should have been an actual
danger warning. So this was a
colossal mistake on behalf of
the owners of the jet, the
company, the pilots were not
properly informed, and this
woman died and all of that's in
the show notes if you want to go
look at it. But it was not a
unless they had a lot of a lot
of foresight and like oh,
John C Dvorak: sitting there
ready to be done when they felt
like it She ain't buckling no
flip the switch.
Adam Curry: And there you go.
Who's the crackpot who's the
buzzkill here?
John C Dvorak: Who got to you is
the question. Yeah, right
Adam Curry: now, that's what I
thought who got to me. Let's go
back to Putin for a second.
Because whereas in America,
we're very, very, very concerned
about children being being told
to hate America by the Chinese.
In Europe, we know that Putin is
really stealing children.
Unknown: Dave, the other issue
that seems to be coming from
this summit are sort of
underlying their commission
president saying that the up to
16,000 children deported from
Ukraine to Russia, which Keefe
says they're being indoctrinated
by Russia. She wants an
international summit to get to
the bottom of where they are.
Yeah, this was
kind of a surprise that
President von der Leyen focused
on this so heavily in her press
conference. Oh, really. Last
night, following the
discussions, I wasn't really It
shouldn't have to go into so
much detail about it. So this is
clearly something that the
commission is going to lean
into. Now, of course, this
follows the ICC warrant for
President Putin of Russia for
allegedly involving in this
program of abducting Ukrainian
children and sending them to
Russian families. So she went
into quite a bit of detail about
this saying that there are
substantiated reports that this
is happening, and that children
are being sent to Russian foster
families, and she doesn't seem
content to just be supporting
the ICCs war ends after all,
Russia is not a member and
doesn't have any obligation to
send over President Putin nor
does it seem likely that any
country that he would visit
would arrest him and turn them
over.
Adam Curry: So it seems like
Queen Ursula is going to add
this to the to the list to make
it even more agreeable to people
like Oh, this guy is so bad he's
abducting children. She's just
stealing them taking the
children and even the replaces
France 24 Even the reporters
like this kind of weird she's
doing that No, dude. Now it's
gonna be added to the list. We
have a huge list and they're
gonna they're gonna throw the
book at them. And when they
catch him, we're gonna throw the
book at him the I hope they end
this war soon. My whole thesis
is starting to fall apart you
know, we're sending the New
Jersey National Guard there's
all kinds of weird stuff going
on. They've got to end this
John C Dvorak: well yeah, I
think your theory is falling
apart a little bit a little bit
they do have to end it no matter
whether there's a theory
involved or not.
Adam Curry: They're gonna run
out of bullets they got nothing
using uranium you know the
someone wrote me in one of our
producers but you know about the
war of attrition. And you say
this is just like World War One
and sometimes in World War One
there are reports that the
bombing was just so intense that
it didn't You didn't hear a bomb
was just a constant nonstop
bombing on both sides nonstop
and it ended that must be what